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Gluttony: It's Not Just About the Donuts
Here's another show you can enjoy in the True Story FM family of entertainment podcasts. Hey, Pete, ever wonder what Steven Spielberg's favorite film is? You know, Andy, I've heard he loves classics like Lawrence of Arabia, Meet Me in St. Louis. Imagine chatting with him about why those films resonate with him so much. That's exactly what we do on our podcast, Movies We Like.
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Gluttony: It's Not Just About the Donuts
All the Feelings presents Sins and Virtues. This episode... Gluttony.
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Gluttony: It's Not Just About the Donuts
They share their favorite films and the impact they've had on their careers, offering fascinating insights into the craftsmanship and storytelling techniques that make these movies so special.
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All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
GPT-4o launches, Glue demo, Ohalo breakthrough, Druck's Argentina bet, did Google kill Perplexity?
Rain Man, David Sachs.
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Open source it to the fans, and they've just gone crazy with it. Love you, Wes. Nice.
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GPT-4o launches, Glue demo, Ohalo breakthrough, Druck's Argentina bet, did Google kill Perplexity?
Rain Man, David Saxon.
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60 Seconds of True Crime | Grandmother is Accused Of The Unthinkable
Hyde Park is a small town located in northern Utah and it is the home of 75-year-old Ruth Worthen. Multiple individuals have come forward accusing Worthen of sexually assaulting them when they were children. The alleged abuse occurred over a span of 30 years.
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60 Seconds of True Crime | Grandmother is Accused Of The Unthinkable
The individuals, which include both male and female and ranged in age from 18 months to 13 years, claimed Worthen repeatedly raped and molested them and forced them to engage in sexual activities with other children and adults. Some of the alleged victims were relatives of Worthen, a woman they should have felt safe with.
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60 Seconds of True Crime | Grandmother is Accused Of The Unthinkable
The assaults are said to have taken place at a turkey farm, a park, Worthen's home, in the mountains, and in the church bathroom. It is alleged that the use of objects, as well as psychological abuse, including threats of physical violence, were used in the commission of the assaults against these children.
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60 Seconds of True Crime | Grandmother is Accused Of The Unthinkable
One victim described Worthen's predatorial nature, claiming that she took every opportunity to prey on her victims at family parties and other events. Friends and neighbors of Worthen are shocked by the allegations. A secretly recorded phone call with one of Worthen's relatives was made during the investigation.
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60 Seconds of True Crime | Grandmother is Accused Of The Unthinkable
This person claimed to have known about the sexual abuse due to a vision he had, but decided to let it go. Worthen was arrested and booked into jail on 18 felony offenses, including aggravated sexual abuse of a child and object rape of a child. Ruth Worthen is presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.
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The Brutal Murder of Suzanne Rossetti
But according to records, this employment didn't last long. Suzanne took a job at a skin bank for burn victims. By 1981, Suzanne had carved out a wonderful life for herself. She had a good job, a good circle of friends, and an apartment. She often spoke with her mother, Louise, about the possibility of starting a family of her own, if, of course, the right man came into her life.
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The Brutal Murder of Suzanne Rossetti
Finally, after two weeks of watching transactions, trying to follow Suzanne's car, Gillies and Logan were arrested for her murder. During his arrest, Gillies asked what would happen if found guilty. The officer responded that he would face the gas chamber. Gillies' response was, All that for killing that bitch?
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The Brutal Murder of Suzanne Rossetti
Gillies remained closed off to investigators, but his partner in crime, Mike Logan, was more than happy to sell his friend down the river in exchange for a lighter sentence. Logan agreed to testify against Gillies in exchange for Arizona not seeking the death penalty. Days after his arrest, Mike Logan led a team of investigators to the site of Suzanne's murder and grave.
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The Brutal Murder of Suzanne Rossetti
The team were horrified by the level of brutality inflicted upon Suzanne. Court documents noted that it took two officers to remove the rocks that had been placed on her body. The state's report also noted the right cheek of the victim had been crushed and the eye was missing from the right socket.
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The medical examiner described various lacerations, abrasions, avulsions, and fractures to the skull and body of the victim. The victim tested positive for seminal fluid. Suzanne's parents were shielded by investigators from a lot of the details and promised that her body would be returned.
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Both Jesse Gillies and Mike Logan were deemed fit to stand trial, with the latter being sentenced to life with a minimum of 25 years for his cooperation. Jesse Gillies, on the other hand, who was also found guilty, was sentenced to death. The court spent several days determining whether the crime met the criteria for death, which it ultimately did.
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Mike Logan's testimony was vital in building the case against both men and it culminated in the pair being found guilty. No guilty plea or death sentence will ever pay for what they did to sweet Suzanne. Her kindness was exploited in one of the most monstrous ways imaginable. In January 1999, Jesse Gillies was executed by the state of Arizona.
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For his last meal, Gillies requested a rare cooked steak with mushrooms, two eggs, ten pieces of bacon, toast with butter and jam, milk, apple juice, and a large chocolate milkshake. Gillies refused to give any final words, simply telling the officers, let's get on with it. Unfortunately, Peter Rossetti passed away in 1992, never living to see Jesse Gillies or Mike Logan face any real justice.
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The Brutal Murder of Suzanne Rossetti
Following Peter's passing, Louise continued to keep her daughter's name alive. In 1992, a Louise Rossetti's Women 5K race was created to pay tribute to Suzanne. Also, the Suzanne Maria Rossetti Memorial Juried Art Contest was established 42 years ago in her memory as well.
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The Brutal Murder of Suzanne Rossetti
In 2002, Louise carried the Olympic torch for the Salt Lake City Games, naming her run in honor of Suzanne and her two surviving children, Donna and Peter Jr. In June 2014, Louise Rossetti passed away at the age of 93. Michael Logan never saw parole as he is reported to have passed away behind bars in 2021. In 2012, Ronald J. Watkins published a book called Evil Intentions about Suzanne's case.
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The Brutal Murder of Suzanne Rossetti
While Suzanne's family supported Watkins, they asked that no pictures of Suzanne be included in the book. Suzanne Rossetti's life was cut short by two disturbed individuals who took pleasure in exploiting others. Jesse Gillies paid for the crime with his life, and Mike Logan died behind bars.
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The Brutal Murder of Suzanne Rossetti
Suzanne's parents gave a handful of interviews in the 90s where they felt no punishment on earth could match the acts they had committed against Suzanne.
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The Brutal Murder of Suzanne Rossetti
Peter and Louise visited Arizona every winter to be with Suzanne. The winter of 1981 was no exception. Peter and Louise Rossetti arrived in Phoenix in early January of that year. They planned to spend three weeks with Suzanne before returning home on January 29th. The first few weeks were unremarkable.
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The Brutal Murder of Suzanne Rossetti
Suzanne was said to have always had a packed social life, so Peter and Louise didn't mind roaming around the city alone while Suzanne met with friends. January 28, 1981 was one such day. That afternoon, Suzanne unknowingly said goodbye to her parents for the last time before heading out with friends. According to reports, Suzanne and friends attended the 8 p.m.
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showing of the Broadway show, Danson, following which Suzanne would reunite with her parents and drive them to the airport for their 3 a.m. flight. But Suzanne never made it. Peter and Louise would later tell the police they had arranged to meet at the rodeo inn, leave their rented car behind, and get a ride from Suzanne to the airport. When midnight came and went, the Rossettis became worried.
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Suzanne Maria Rossetti was born on May 3, 1954, in Saugus, Massachusetts.
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They waited a little while longer, but they were under a time constraint and risked missing their flight home. The pair decided to head for the airport, thinking Suzanne had forgotten their plans and was planning on meeting them there. But as they arrived, their hearts began to sink. There was no sign of Suzanne. The time was crunching closer to 3 a.m.
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and the last call for their gate was announced. Knowing their daughter would never abandon them, Peter and Louise missed their flight home and headed for their daughter's apartment. Wild thoughts and scenarios played through their minds. Had Suzanne had a medical episode? Had she fallen asleep after a long night with friends? Or had something far darker taken place?
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The Brutal Murder of Suzanne Rossetti
Sometime in the early morning hours of January 29th, the Rosettis reached Suzanne's apartment, but again, there was no sign of Suzanne. Her apartment was in disarray and bizarrely, the clock had stopped ticking at 12.47. Peter and Louise became frantic as hours ticked away.
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The Brutal Murder of Suzanne Rossetti
She was doted on by her parents, Peter and Louise. People described the Rossettis as an honest and hardworking family, with Peter and Louise working to set an example for their children, Suzanne, Peter Jr., and Donna. Suzanne displayed a bright intellect from an early age and dreamed of attending college.
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Suzanne's neighbors hadn't seen her the night before and the last person to see her alive, Joe Heckel, had no idea where she could have gone after the theater closed. While Suzanne's parents searched every inch of the apartment complex, Suzanne's fate had already been sealed. At 11 p.m. the night before, January 28, Suzanne had deviated slightly from her route to the Rodeo Inn.
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She had stopped off at the U-Totem convenience store to grab a few items. For a few minutes, Suzanne milled around the store before grabbing chewing gum and leaving. When Suzanne approached her car, she realized she had locked her keys inside. She initially asked the store employee for help, but he advised her he wasn't allowed to leave the store. Suzanne returned to her car, but she wasn't alone.
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Two men approached Suzanne and introduced themselves, Jesse Gillies and Mike Logan. The encounter made Suzanne somewhat uncomfortable, but with no other options available, she told the men what was wrong. Gillies and Logan assured her they would be able to help and that they were not a threat.
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The two spoke about their lives to Suzanne, saying they were interested in nature and conservation like her, putting her at ease. What they neglected to tell her was that they were career criminals with checkered pasts, and they had been sizing her up this entire time. Upon purchasing a screwdriver from the U-Totem store, Gillies managed to wiggle the window open just enough to retrieve the keys.
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Relieved, Suzanne unlocked her car and asked the pair what she could do to thank them. The two looked at each other, giving the signal. Gillies requested a pack of beer and a ride home, telling Suzanne this would make them square, but the night was far from over. The U-Totem employee watched the entire event go down and sold Suzanne this six-pack of beer.
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This would be the last time she was ever seen alive again. The U-Totem employee did not raise the alarm, believing he had witnessed two kind Samaritans coming to a distressed woman's aid. Suzanne had also told Gillies and Logan she needed to be quick as she was meeting her parents to take them to the airport in a few hours.
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As Suzanne drove out of sight of the store and toward the ranch, she felt a warm trickle on her head. Gillies had struck her several times in the head, causing the Ford Pinto to come to a halt. Confused, Suzanne was dragged out of the driver's seat by the pair. Gillies announced that it was now Logan's turn to have fun with Suzanne.
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Logan attacked Suzanne, raping her before holding the screwdriver to her head. Terrified, Suzanne complied with the men, telling them where she lived. Logan and Gillies bundled themselves into the front of the car, taking directions to her apartment. When they arrived, they forced Suzanne into her bedroom, where she would be raped several more times by each man.
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While one man attacked her, the other would search her apartment, looking for valuables and other things to steal. In a last-ditch effort to save herself and leave behind evidence, Suzanne grabbed the clock, stopping it at exactly 12.47. Hours later, her parents would discover the scene and find the clock. They would know that whatever had happened to their daughter happened after midnight.
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By 1976, that dream had come to fruition, with Suzanne proudly walking across the stage in her cap and gown. But now, the real test for Suzanne would begin. What did she want to do with her life and newly gained degree? Well, it turns out that Suzanne wasn't too sure.
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Once the pair were satisfied with looting her apartment, they dragged her out to her Ford Pinto, throwing her in the back. The pair drove around Phoenix thinking of ways to get rid of Suzanne while she lay in the back covered with a blanket. During the raid of her apartment, the two found her ATM card and decided to try their luck. Under the threat of further violence, Suzanne gave them the pin.
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CCTV cameras captured the pair withdrawing $200 from her account. The bank declined further transactions at this hour, leaving Suzanne to once again be beaten and assaulted. Suzanne had earlier let it slip that she had a handsome sum of a few thousand dollars in her account, so the pair slipped her card into their pockets for safekeeping.
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Several hours had passed since they had first kidnapped Suzanne, and the pair were growing tired. They knew the longer they had her in the car, the riskier it became. After much discussion in earshot of Suzanne, the pair decided to drive her Ford Pinto to the Superstition Mountains east of downtown Phoenix.
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At that moment, Suzanne knew she was going to die, and it is horrific to imagine what she may have been feeling. As the Ford Pinto came to an abrupt halt, Gillies and Logan grabbed Suzanne out of the car, forcing her to walk the rocky and unpredictable terrain. The trio approached the edge of the cliff, where Suzanne uttered, I guess you're going to kill me now. And she was right.
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The pair threw Suzanne off the cliffside, sending her plummeting 40 feet below. Incredibly, she was still alive. Gillies and Logan sensed this immediately, racing down the side to catch her. Unsatisfied, the pair repeated the process, but Suzanne prevailed. Bloodied and bruised, Suzanne asked for a final act of mercy, telling them to leave her alone as she was going to die anyway.
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The Brutal Murder of Suzanne Rossetti
Mike Logan coldly responded, That's right, bitch, you are, before grabbing a rock and smashing her in the head. Gillies joined in with the pair, calling her a bitch and a whore. By this point, Suzanne had suffered significant damage to her body, with the left side of her face being almost completely crushed and her eye dislodged from her socket.
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The Brutal Murder of Suzanne Rossetti
Even after suffering several blows to the head, Suzanne was alive, whimpering and begging for her life. Gillies and Logan were now growing frantic. No matter how many cliffs they threw her from or how many times they hit her, she prevailed. The two concocted their final plan, one that would get rid of their problem once and for all.
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In court documents, Gillies testified the plan was to bury her alive, but the pair didn't have a shovel. Instead, they covered Suzanne's battered and broken body in large rocks until she was completely entombed. As Suzanne's whimpers grew weaker and weaker, Gillies and Logan took the moment to sit on the cliff and smoke a few cigarettes.
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The Brutal Murder of Suzanne Rossetti
Following graduation, Suzanne traveled across the country for a while, tasting different ways of life in various states before settling in Arizona. Despite being far away from home, Suzanne was only a call away. She kept a regular schedule of calling home to speak with her family. Suzanne had settled in Arizona after accepting a job at the Grand Canyon National Park.
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The Brutal Murder of Suzanne Rossetti
Unbeknownst to Gillies and Logan, Suzanne lived for a further 10 to 20 minutes after being buried alive. Not that either man would have cared. Some documents state in her final moments, Logan told Suzanne, sorry, but this was how it had to be. It is unclear whether Logan had experienced a brief lapse in his conscience or whether he was simply taunting Suzanne.
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Once the cigarettes ran out, Logan and Gillies trekked back to Suzanne's Ford Pinto and continued to ride around the city. Twenty-year-old Mike Gillies had a rough start in his life. His mother made it very clear she did not want him and he was left to his own devices. By his teen years, Gillies had already committed a slew of crimes and was known for his violent behavior towards his family.
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The downward spiral continued into his late teens, culminating in several prison sentences, including one at Juvie for stealing a car at the age of 12. Prison is often heralded as the school of crime, and Gillies learned a lot of valuable information from hardened criminals and lifers.
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By 1981, Gillies had been released and found his way to a ranch just outside of Phoenix where he would meet Mike Logan. Like Gillies, Logan was also a lifelong criminal, one who in 1981 should have still been behind bars. A hardened drinker, Logan had just escaped a Michigan prison and wanted nothing more than to leave the country.
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Gillies, seeing himself in Logan, quickly forged a friendship with the man on the run and wanted to help him raise the $2,000 necessary to flee to Australia. This is how the dangerous duo came to be. On January 28, 1981, the two went on the prowl, looking for unsuspecting victims to rob. They had no idea where the night would take them, but it was clear that murder was on their minds.
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The Brutal Murder of Suzanne Rossetti
While Gillies and Logan paraded around in Suzanne's stolen Ford Pinto, Louise and Peter Rossetti were out of their minds with worry. They had tried to report Suzanne missing at 5 a.m. on January 29, but were told they needed to wait at least 24 hours. Three hours later, a Phoenix police officer finally met them and gave them an unconventional solution.
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There may have been a 24 hour wait for missing persons, but there was no wait on reporting a car missing. Thankfully for investigators, Gillies and Logan were still using Suzanne's Pinto and it didn't take long for them to track the vehicle down. The pressure was mounting and Gillies began to crack.
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The Brutal Murder of Suzanne Rossetti
Hours after murdering Suzanne, he returned to the ranch with Logan, where he proceeded to brag about his crimes. His colleagues were horrified, but Gillies claimed it was all a joke. This would come back to bite him weeks later. Peter and Louise continued to stay at Suzanne's apartment, awaiting news from the police. Suzanne's number plate and bank card had been flagged several times in the city.
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The Brutal Murder of Suzanne Rossetti
According to Arizona v. Gillies documents, Logan and Gillies accessed Suzanne's bank 28 times between January 28th and February 3rd. Out of the 28 attempts, 13 were unsuccessful as they had exceeded the $250 daily withdrawal allowance. Investigators were keeping an eye on the transactions as it gave them a similar area of the city to work in.
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A Murder in the Forest
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Iliesio says they would sometimes meet people from a state agency who gave them toys.
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This was in a part of northwestern Brazil called the Javari Valley. It's near the borders of Peru and Colombia. There were two men on the trip. One of them was Brazilian, Bruno Pereira, an expert on indigenous issues who lived and worked in the region. The other man was a British journalist named Dom Phillips.
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When Iliasio returned to the Javari Valley, he says he noticed a change.
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Today, the entire Amazon rainforest is home to about 30 million people. A lot of people came in the early to mid-1900s to collect sap from rubber trees and sell it.
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They called it Operation Amazon, and the military built highways through the forest.
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The Javari Valley is designated indigenous territory, meaning non-indigenous people are not allowed to hunt there. But lots of other people live in the region, near the indigenous territories, and it's hard to make a living. In the nearest city, only 7% are employed.
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He had lived in Brazil for over 15 years, but was visiting the Javari Valley to write about Bruno's work. They'd planned to set out from a small town and sail down the Ittaquai River, which cuts through the rainforest. The night before they left, Dom Phillips stayed in one of the only hotels in town.
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Organized crime and drug traffickers are said to control a lot of the illegal poaching and logging in the area, and don't want reporters or scouts coming around. Over the past decade, at least 300 people, many of them indigenous, have been killed in the Amazon. In 2018, Jair Bolsonaro was elected president of Brazil.
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At a press conference for international journalists, Dom Phillips asked Bolsonaro about some of the threats facing the Amazon. Bolsonaro replied, the Amazon is Brazil's, not yours. And at one point, he said data showing a rise in deforestation was lies.
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Before Bruno Pereira started working with Univasha, he worked for a government agency. One day, poachers attacked their base, firing shots at the building. There were at least eight attacks in a year. And then, one night in 2019, one of Bruno's colleagues, a man named Maxiel Pereira dos Santos, was shot in the back of the head and killed while sitting on his motorcycle.
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The murder has not yet been solved. Bruno requested a leave from work. He wrote that he needed a break after the murder of his friend and colleague and because of the, quote, climate of tension. He told people that he was waiting for Bolsonaro's term to end before he would return to the government agency. Instead, he went to work with Iliasio Marubo and Unavaja, training indigenous scouts.
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Univaja started receiving threats, delivered to Iliasio Marubo's office.
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But actually, they were heading south. Terry McCoy is the Washington Post's Rio de Janeiro bureau chief.
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In 2022, Washington Post Bureau Chief Terry McCoy traveled to the Javari Valley. He wanted to find out what had happened in the weeks and months leading up to the murders of Bruno Pereira and Dom Phillips. He read the scouts' reports and spoke with people who knew Bruno.
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And he learned about something that had happened while Bruno was out on the river with the scouting teams, weeks before he disappeared.
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They saw a man they knew well. They knew he was involved in illegal fishing, and the scouts had collected information about him. He led a team of six men who carried shotguns and went into the indigenous territories at night to fish illegally.
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As they passed his stilt house on the river, he fired a shot. It went over their heads.
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A few weeks later, Dom Phillips arrived in the Javari Valley. Dom and Bruno spent a couple of days along the river, interviewing people. Sometimes they shadowed indigenous scouts. On the second day, they saw Pilato in his boat, and he raised his shotgun at some of the scouts as a warning. Months after their deaths, Bruno's phone was found in the forest.
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It contained photographs of Dom interviewing people, and also two videos of Pilato sailing past them. Terry McCoy decided to take the same trip down the river that Dom and Bruno had taken months earlier.
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They'd made a plan to go and visit one of Bruno Pereira's friends and collaborators when they got back, an indigenous lawyer named Iliesio Marubo. They'd worked together protecting indigenous territory in the rainforest. Bruno had called Iliesio to let him know they would be coming.
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On the last day of their trip, Dom Phillips and Bruno Pereira knew they would have to sail past Pilato's house to get back to town. So they decided to leave early in the morning.
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Amarildo da Costa de Oliveira, or Pilato, and another man named Jefferson de Silva Lima confessed to the murders of Bruno Pereira and Dom Phillips. They told police what happened that morning. Pilato said they shot Bruno and shot Dom, and that Bruno returned fire but didn't hit them.
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In a statement, then-President Bolsonaro called Dom and Bruno's trip, quote, "...an adventure that isn't recommendable for anyone." Bruno Pereira's wife, anthropologist Beatriz Matos, told Brazilian TV that she was hurt by the statements which, quote, contradict the extreme dedication, seriousness, and commitment that Bruno has with his work.
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The police arrested Pilato Jefferson and Pilato's brother for the murders.
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In 2001, the area was turned into an indigenous territory to protect the uncontacted tribes. Other riverside communities could no longer fish and hunt the way they used to.
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Pilato and Jefferson da Silva Lima are awaiting trial. Pilato's brother was just released after 27 months in prison. A federal court ruled there wasn't enough evidence against him.
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Last year, police arrested another man, who is believed to be the leader of an illegal phishing network. He's been charged with ordering the murders. And then, another man was arrested for assisting him and for interfering with the investigation and intimidating witnesses. Last year, Brazil got a new president, Lula da Silva.
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And Brazil got its first indigenous minister, heading a newly created Ministry of Indigenous Affairs. Last year, she took a trip to the Javari Valley, along with Dom and Bruno's wives, Alessandra Sampaio and Beatriz Matos. She told an audience of mostly indigenous people, we're here to reestablish the presence of the Brazilian government in the Javari Valley region.
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Iliasio told The Guardian that he thinks the police investigation needs to continue. He suspects there's been a cover-up of the murders, and he said he believes the case goes beyond the people who've been arrested so far.
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Eliezo Marubo is speaking to us in Portuguese. Reporter Julia Carneiro translates.
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Iliesio started worrying that other people might be attacked too. Things felt so unsafe to him that he left his home.
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A Murder in the Forest
Elieziu is my first name, and my last name comes from our people, the Marubu people. Elieziu grew up in the Javari Valley Indigenous Territory, one of the most remote areas in the world. It's about the size of Portugal. The territory is home to 26 indigenous tribes. 19 tribes are what's called uncontacted, and basically have no communications with the outside world.
Criminal
A Murder in the Forest
The Javari Valley is home to the largest known number of uncontacted people. There are no roads in the territory. People use the rivers for transportation. Iliasio says his community largely lives off the forest, hunting and fishing, and keeping small plantations.
Criminal
A Murder in the Forest
A tapir sort of looks like a pig crossed with an anteater. They're sometimes called the living fossil, because they've been around for 55 million years. People illegally hunt the taper, along with yellow-spotted river turtles and a prehistoric fish that looks like a giant snake. It's known as the Amazon giant and can grow up to 10 feet long. There's also illegal logging.
Criminal
A Murder in the Forest
People cut down the forest to sell the wood and to make space for gold mining and large cattle farms.
Criminal
A Murder in the Forest
A few years ago, a government agency captured a video of a member of an uncontacted tribe. The man was the last survivor of his community. The government agency believes everyone else was likely killed by ranchers or illegal miners. The man lived alone in the forest for over two decades, avoiding contact with other people. His body was found in 2022.
Criminal
A Murder in the Forest
Iliasio Marubo works as a lawyer for a small organization called Unavaja, or Union of Indigenous People of the Javari Valley. In 2020, Iliasio Marubo filed a lawsuit against American evangelists trying to approach uncontacted tribes in the forest to convert them. Bruno Pereira was also working with Unavaja when he disappeared on the river,
Criminal
A Murder in the Forest
Iliasio and Bruno had known each other for years and had first met through Iliasio's brother. The three of them all had daughters who were close in age.
Criminal
A Murder in the Forest
Bruno Pereira was born far away from the Javari Valley, in a city in the northeast of Brazil. He often went on expeditions into the forest that lasted for weeks, and he learned to speak at least four indigenous languages.
Criminal
A Murder in the Forest
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Criminal
A Murder in the Forest
At Univasha, they felt that the authorities weren't doing enough to protect indigenous populations from poachers or people encroaching on their territory. They decided that if the government wouldn't investigate criminal activity in the forest, they would do it themselves. They formed groups of people who would work as scouts.
Criminal
A Murder in the Forest
They would travel the forest and the rivers to find out about people who were poaching, fishing, or logging illegally.
Criminal
A Murder in the Forest
So Bruno would go out on the water with the scouts, and then he and his colleagues would share what they found with the police, hoping that they would arrest the poachers. British journalist Dom Phillips wanted to write about Bruno's work with the Scouts.
Criminal
A Murder in the Forest
They decided to spend a few days on the river. During his 15 years in Brazil, Dom Phillips had written about the impact of agriculture on the rainforest, especially big cattle farms. He'd written about JBS, which is the world's biggest meat processor. They sell meat under more than 100 brands. The U.S. is the second biggest importer of Brazilian beef.
Criminal
A Murder in the Forest
Dom Phillips reported that some JBS beef comes from cows raised on land that's been illegally cleared.
Criminal
A Murder in the Forest
He was inspired by what he saw on his reporting trips, how indigenous communities hunt and grow things with no fertilizers. And he was going to write a book. He got a grant to go on reporting trips and interview indigenous people, including the scouting teams fighting illegal poaching and logging that Bruno was leading.
Criminal
A Murder in the Forest
His river trip in the Javari Valley with Bruno was one of the last reporting trips he'd planned. And then they disappeared. Ten days later, their bodies were found deep in the forest. We'll be right back. Thanks to Squarespace for their support. These days, whenever you're curious about a business or brand, the first place you usually look is online. That first impression matters.
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Darknet Diaries
143: Jim Hates Scams
I love this part. You can hear this guy's brain just breaking real time.
Darknet Diaries
143: Jim Hates Scams
At this point, the entire call center is listening in on this call, like, what is happening here? And they even have them on speakerphone, and this new lady jumps on the call.
Darknet Diaries
143: Jim Hates Scams
Now Priya picks the phone back up and she's really curious and wants some answers.
Darknet Diaries
143: Jim Hates Scams
Gosh, that sounds even more bizarre. Have these victims never paid for anything in their life before? In what world is it normal to wrap cash up in pinfoil and stuff it in a book and then ship it somewhere to get your computer fixed?
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141: The Pig Butcher
They gave him an amulet to protect him from gunshots. He still wore a bulletproof vest, though. But this is what I mean. The culture there is really big into this. And you know, luck is a weird thing. It feels like a mysterious force.
Decoder with Nilay Patel
The AI election deepfakes have arrived
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The AI election deepfakes have arrived
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The AI election deepfakes have arrived
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The AI election deepfakes have arrived
That's Ian Mitchell, a banker turned fraud fighter. These days, online scams look more like crime syndicates than individual con artists. And they're making bank. Last year, scammers made off with more than $10 billion.
Nosotros Los Clones
¿Los matemáticos no tienen nada qué hacer? - NLC 118
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¿Los matemáticos no tienen nada qué hacer? - NLC 118
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The End
As Satoshi writes in the white paper, quote, The steady addition of a constant amount of new coins is analogous to gold miners expending resources to add gold to circulation. In our case, it is CPU time and electricity that is expended.
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44: Reigate's Inner Art and our summer holiday clubs' listing… and more
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43: A little bit of France in Redhill, Reigate’s rogue MPs from history… and more
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43: A little bit of France in Redhill, Reigate’s rogue MPs from history… and more
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43: A little bit of France in Redhill, Reigate’s rogue MPs from history… and more
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43: A little bit of France in Redhill, Reigate’s rogue MPs from history… and more
The Planet Reigate podcast was produced and presented by Peter Stewart.
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43: A little bit of France in Redhill, Reigate’s rogue MPs from history… and more
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