Ed and Josh Brown, co-founder and CEO of Ritholtz Wealth Management, open the show by discussing January’s housing starts data, X’s latest funding round, and the growing wave of companies emulating MicroStrategy’s approach to bitcoin. Then Josh unpacks the potential breakup of Intel. He breaks down how Intel’s leadership struggles led to its decline and explains why having a true visionary at the helm is crucial for a chip company. Josh and Ed also break down gold’s record-breaking surge and explain why banks are rushing to fly the commodity into the U.S. Ed questions whether gold is really a smart investment, while Josh explains why owning it outright might not be as valuable as people think. Subscribe to the Prof G Markets newsletter Join us for a live recording at SXSW Order "The Algebra of Wealth," out now Follow the podcast across socials @profgpod: Instagram Threads X Reddit Follow Scott on Instagram Follow Ed on Instagram and X Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Chapter 1: Who is hosting Prof G Markets this week?
Welcome to Prof G Markets. So Scott is still away. He's still on the slopes. We're beginning to think he's quite quitting, but we're not too worried about that because today we have one of our favorite guests on the show. You've heard him before. We have in the studio, the one and only downtown Josh Brown. Josh, thank you so much for joining me.
I will be doing my best Scott impression. You'll tell me after how it went.
I can't wait to see it. Where are you? You're not in your usual studio.
I am in Naples, Florida, which is Chicago's version of, I guess, Southeastern Florida. So this is Gulf Coast. Western Florida, and I love it here. I've never been before. We're seeing wealth management clients and colleagues, and we're doing a live version of our podcast tonight in town. So it's exciting.
Very exciting. And we should plug your podcast, The Compound. I know you don't like doing a promotion. Last time I asked you where our fans could go follow you, and you said, don't follow me. So I'm just going to tell the fans straight up, go check out The Compound. Let's just get into The show, we've got a lot to get through. So let's start off with the market vitals.
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Chapter 2: What is the current state of the US housing market?
The S&P 500 hit a record high. The dollar declined, Bitcoin was flat, and the yield on 10-year treasuries fell. Shifting to the headlines. U.S. housing starts slowed in January, with new residential construction falling 9.8%. Builders scaled back construction due to harsh winter weather, while also grappling with challenges from high mortgage rates, tariffs, and inventory shortages.
Elon Musk's X is in talks for a funding round at a $44 billion valuation. That's the same price Musk paid for it over two years ago. The funds would be used to support new initiatives, including video products, and to help pay down some of the company's debt. And finally, Michael Saylor's move to transform MicroStrategy into a Bitcoin treasury company has inspired a string of copycats.
At least 78 public companies have followed suit, including a meal delivery service and a coal mining firm. Also, GameStop shares jumped 20% after revealing it was considering a Bitcoin investment. housing starts data. I will say right off the bat, this is extremely disappointing to me.
Just given all of the conversations we've had around the cost of housing in America, the median home price today is $420,000 in America. The median age of a home buyer is 56. And Scott and I have talked about this before. Our view is pretty simple. The way we solve this is we build more homes. And so I see this data housing construction actually going down.
And just as a young person who at some point would like to buy a home, I hope, it makes me a little depressed. So let's just get your reactions to this housing starts data, perhaps any thoughts on why this is happening.
I think the obvious answer in this case is the right answer. You had freezing temperatures affecting residential construction. And if you've got companies in that environment that want to pause or delay a groundbreaking by a if you actually seasonally adjust that number, January was really down 8.4%, which again is not great, but not as bad as the nominal headline.
And I'd like to share with you that home building was actually up 24.9% in the Western region of America, which obviously is not being affected by freezes. And so it's, The headline sounds worse than the reality. And I think the bigger issue that we have is the cost of labor.
to build new homes is high and rising and not necessarily in step with the disinflation that we've had in other parts of the economy. And it's sticky and it'll be stickier still as the ice raids and some of the things that are gonna happen with immigration become more and more front of mind. So if you're worried about anything, That's really the thing that you should be most worried about.
And the home building stocks, just if you're watching those for SignalEd, the XHB is up 1% so far this year. Within the XHB, which is the ETF that owns all the home building stocks, 17% of those companies are above their 50-day moving average. 23% are above the 200-day moving average. And about... 59% of all companies in the S&P 500 are above the 50, 61% are above the 200.
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Chapter 3: Why is Elon Musk's X valued at $44 billion?
You can skip all of that and just invest in ad-based businesses, and there are plenty to choose from. My dollar, the answer is no.
The other big question here is like, how did they land on this number as the valuation? We basically have no signal into what this thing is actually worth. And this is the big question that we've been asking. And it's very hard to know because we don't see the financials anymore ever since it went private.
But the best signal that we got was from Fidelity, which owns a stake in X, and they valued the company at $10 billion. And that was just in December. So I guess the thing that I can't really wrap my head around is how could these new investors, whoever they may be, justify a new valuation of $44 billion when just a few months ago it was valued at less than a quarter of that?
I wonder if this might be... due to Elon's association with Trump, maybe having that connection makes people more excited and more bullish on the company. Maybe it also has to do with XAI, Elon's new AI startup, which is reportedly raising in a $75 billion valuation. Maybe they think that X, the social media platform, can capture some of the value of the AI company, or
Maybe they've just quadrupled their revenues overnight, but I highly doubt that. So what do you think, Josh? What do you think these investors in this potential round for X are seeing that the guys over at Fidelity two months ago didn't see?
I think it's the halo effect of Elon Musk. He has a ton of momentum in terms of the zeitgeist of the country moving in the direction of what he's done with free speech on the platform. And you could absolutely hate the stuff that you come across on the platform, and that's fine. But a lot of people just like the fact that it exists.
And they see Meta kind of following Elon into this, which is, when was the last time Meta or Facebook ever followed Twitter into anything? So they kind of see that, you know, the vibe shift in the country, especially amongst young people, but really in places that surprised people among African-American voters, among voters living in border towns in Texas.
Like none of these people were supposed to have had heard that rhetoric from Trump and Elon Musk and had that resonate with them, and yet they did. And so I think advertisers feel a little bit more emboldened about being willing to place ads on the X platform where six months ago they would not have. I think some of that is being reflected in the valuation.
I also think the valuation is made up to begin with. The 44 billion is what he paid for it. So this is him saying, hey, I didn't destroy any value here. Things are better than ever. So there's some of that. I also think there are people willing to buy a stake in this just because it gets them, you know, in the room. It's like, yeah, I invested in your X platform.
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Chapter 4: Are struggling companies using Bitcoin as a financial strategy?
And you're going to see, I think you're going to see advertisers back.
Let's move on to MicroStrategy. Multiple companies now copying the playbook where you just basically buy up a bunch of Bitcoin. I look at these companies and the common thread I see among all of them is that they're all shitty companies, is what I would say. And I think back to what Michael Saylor said on this podcast, which is that before he got into Bitcoin, MicroStrategy was struggling too.
So I'm seeing this Bitcoin strategy. It kind of looks like the get out of jail free card for shitty, struggling businesses. Do I have that wrong or do you think that's sort of what's happening here?
No, you nailed it. And we've seen versions of this before in 2017. there was a wave of small and micro cap companies adding the word blockchain to their official corporate name, like literally changing the corporate name to something blockchain and immediately getting a boost in their valuation because Bitcoin rallied up to 18,000 that year from like 9,000. And it just became...
the zeitgeist and dead ends companies that didn't have much going on. It was like an overnight way to add market cap. Of course, it failed spectacularly in 2018 when the price of Bitcoin crashed. So none of this is surprising. And I think the interesting thing that happens here In the short term, it actually bolsters strategy because you have a lot more entities that are buying up Bitcoin.
And, you know, as the scarcity of Bitcoin becomes more of a widespread idea, obviously companies that own a lot of Bitcoin will benefit. Over the longer term, though, or the intermediate term, if this continues and grows, I think you'll lose the premium that strategy has had to its value of Bitcoin.
So right now it trades at a premium to the amount of Bitcoin it owns because people believe in not just the value of the Bitcoins, but the strategy of accumulating more. So it's selling at a premium to, if this were a closed end fund, we would say a premium to NAV or net asset value. The premium will shrink if there are five of these companies.
if there were 10 of them, that attain any kind of size. So that's one interesting thing that could happen where all of a sudden the company's strategy starts to trade at closer to just the value of its Bitcoin because it loses that scarcity premium because there are so many imitators out there in the market.
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Chapter 5: How does MicroStrategy's Bitcoin strategy work?
I'd love to get your thoughts on Michael Saylor's strategy in general. I look at what he's doing. I'm very skeptical of it. You know, you described the premium to NAV there. And a lot of why that's happening is because he's basically securitizing the value of Bitcoin to issue bonds and then using the bond proceeds to buy even more Bitcoin and just levering and levering and levering. And to me...
At a certain point, it starts to look more like a Ponzi scheme than anything else. The whole thing feels extremely unstable, especially when you bring up those historical comparisons of adding blockchain to these companies. It feels very similar to that. And then, add on top of that the fact that the Nasdaq has now decided to include this company in the Nasdaq 100.
This adds a whole new dimension of concern for me because now you have millions of people in pension funds and people's retirement accounts holding this thing that arguably doesn't have much value or at least that isn't generating real cash flows in a normal, regular way that another company would. Perhaps I'm being too negative. Does this make sense to you?
It works and it makes sense so long as the price of Bitcoin goes higher. Right. I'm sorry, but that's the reality.
You're not comforting me.
He owns 2.28%. of all of the 21 million Bitcoin that will be available. So available now and available in the future. That's impressive if you think that Bitcoin is going substantially higher. He's got a $31,000 cost basis on that Bitcoin. That cost basis will rise as he continues to buy, but the bet is the demands for all of the other Bitcoin available
will grow more quickly than the new supply coming on net of whatever he's buying. And these other companies that are aping the strategy are way more ridiculous. So here are a couple. Semler Scientific, this is a quote unquote, chronic disease detection company. You could see why they'd wanna buy digital assets, makes perfect sense. They bought 871 Bitcoin for $88.5 million.
They used a convertible bond that they issued in January. Its stock price is up 120% since buying this crypto, and they're calling it their primary treasury asset. Here's another one. MetaPlanet, based in Japan. They're calling themselves Asia's strategy. Last year, they switched from developing hotels into becoming a Bitcoin treasury company. The stock price has gained more than 2000%. My God.
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Chapter 6: What are the potential risks of following MicroStrategy's Bitcoin approach?
So I guess what I'm trying to tell you is don't get mad at strategy. If you really want to hate something, hate the Japanese hotel company, MetaPlanet. Like, there are way worse versions of this. If Bitcoin craters to $50,000... strategy share price will implode. Of course it will. The way you made money in Bitcoin, and I made some, I should have made more.
The way that you made money in Bitcoin was to ask yourself the following question. And I heard this put by Bill Miller, who's one of the greatest stock market mutual fund managers of all time. He had an unsurpassed record. He beat the market 15 consecutive years. Nobody else has ever done that. He got very heavily interested in Bitcoin way early.
And the question that he posed and then answered is the supply of Bitcoin is only going to grow 2% a year supply. Ask yourself this, will the demand grow faster or slower? If you answer the question faster, then de facto, you had to be bullish on Bitcoin because
If you answered it slower, well, you were wrong because the demand outstripped the supply, which is why the price has gone from $50 a Bitcoin to 80,000 to 90,000 to 110. So that was like the right way to answer that question.
So if you believe that the demand will continue to rise faster than the supply, then you're probably bullish on strategy and you probably own it in addition to regular Bitcoin that you also hold. It's easy to be skeptical that the demand will stay. But so far, that's been the case. And people who have shorted this thing have train tracks across their backs to prove it.
We'll be right back after the break with a look at Intel. If you're enjoying the show so far, be sure to give Profiteer Markets a follow wherever you get your podcasts.
It's been a rough week for your retirement account, your friend who imports products from China for the TikTok shop, and also Hooters. Hooters has now filed for bankruptcy, but they say they are not going anywhere.
Last year, Hooters closed dozens of restaurants because of rising food and labor costs.
Hooters is shifting away from its iconic skimpy waitress outfits and bikini days, instead opting for a family-friendly vibe. They're vowing to improve the food and ingredients, and staff is now being urged to greet women first when groups arrive.
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Chapter 7: What changes are happening at Hooters and why?
Isn't that what we do now?
That's the problem.
It's actually, it's not that far off. Me Too is sort of what, I wouldn't blame the Me Too movement for this, but that's where Intel's problem started. In 2018, they had a CEO who had to step down I don't have all the details, but he had a relationship with somebody who was working at Intel. It came to light and the board asked for his resignation, which, of course, that's how that ends.
So please, if you're running a publicly traded company, try to control yourself around your employees. Keep it in your pants. Anyway, that's 2018. And what comes out of that is a succession of bad leadership slash bad decision making. Intel decides in that moment of succession, they have a new incoming CEO and they decide what they're going to do.
is they're gonna go full bore into the foundry business. They have this manufacturing advantage, they're one of the highest throughput manufacturers of chips in the world, and they're better at it than other American chip companies, and they look at the success of Taiwan Semi, which has effectively become like the outsourced manufacturer to all of the chip design companies all over the world.
And Intel says we could do that too. And that's going to be a big part of the future of our business. And that was a horrible, in hindsight, strategic decision. I think Wall Street hated it in real time. And keep in mind, this is during a time, the rise of NVIDIA, but it's pre-AI. It's 2018, 2019.
At that time, NVIDIA, it's very well known that NVIDIA is going to be a big player in next generation technologies like AR, augmented reality, VR, virtual reality, machine learning, AGI. What NVIDIA is doing is parallel processing. They're taking this technology that they initially developed for video game development and
And they're pivoting it to these other technologies where linear processing is not the right answer. So Intel is the linear processing king, the CPU king, linear processing. It's we do this operation, then we do that one, then we do that one. Parallel processing is multiple things at once.
And if you're going to do autonomous driving, for example, you can't wait for a progression of linear compute. It's got to be parallel. So NVIDIA is kind of in pole position for the GPU era and Intel's not even there at all. And as a result, they go into foundry and foundry is just a terrible smokestack industrial kind of business.
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