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A Preacher's Secret, Part 2

Thu, 10 Apr 2025

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Part two of the investigation into the murder of Kari Baker. The case against Matt Baker takes a turn after stunning revelation from his former mistress. Baker is charged with murdering his wife and staging a suicide note. Would his secrets catch up with him at trial? “48 Hours" Correspondent Erin Moriarty reports. This classic "48 Hours" episode last aired on 5/25/2013. Watch all-new episodes of “48 Hours” on Saturdays, and stream on demand on Paramount+. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Chapter 1: What shocking events led to the reopening of Kari Baker's case?

1059.19 - 1065.813 Erin Moriarty

In March 2009, Matt Baker was re-arrested and charged with Carrie's murder.

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1065.833 - 1067.694 Court Official

How do you wish to plead? I'm not guilty.

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1069.615 - 1075.118 Erin Moriarty

And the state star witness? Vanessa Bowles. I don't think she stole everything.

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1076.919 - 1078.38 Abden Rodriguez

I don't, I mean, there's still more.

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1094.75 - 1103.515 Defense Attorney Linda Parisi

The stakes are so high. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. Please be seated. This is what we had been working for, the criminal trial.

1104.156 - 1124.901 Prosecutor

Nearly four years after claiming he found his wife dead. Carrie's last day of life was on Friday, April 7, 2006. Matt Baker is now on trial. for murder. You'll hear Matt Baker say his wife has just committed suicide, that he's found a note. But Matt has a variety of stories about what happened that night.

1125.561 - 1130.905 Defense Attorney Linda Parisi

Matt was a dangerous man. He had to be stopped before he hurt someone else.

Chapter 2: How did Matt Baker's public persona differ from his private life?

1131.445 - 1137.389 Erin Moriarty

Carrie's mother, Linda, is surrounded by her family. To me, he looked smug.

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1137.83 - 1160.448 Prosecutor

He looked like he's going to get away with this. You'll hear him repeatedly and consistently say, he never had an affair with Vanessa Bowles. You're gonna hear from Vanessa Bowles. You're gonna see her. Assistant District Attorney Susan Schaefer promises the jury that they will meet the other woman. She's gonna tell you how Matt brought her into their marital bed while Carrie was still alive.

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1161.689 - 1171.133 Erin Moriarty

Matt has always denied that affair, so no one in the courtroom was quite prepared for what his defense attorney, Guy James Gray, had to say.

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1171.678 - 1178.644 Defense Attorney Linda Parisi

Matt Baker was in fact having an affair. I got fooled, got fooled by Matt Baker.

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1179.165 - 1183.569 Erin Moriarty

When did you realize that Matt was lying about his involvement with Vanessa Bowles?

1183.829 - 1186.331 Defense Attorney Linda Parisi

Roughly a month before the trial, something like that.

1186.531 - 1187.532 Erin Moriarty

How tough was that guy?

1187.972 - 1197.561 Defense Attorney Linda Parisi

For me, pretty tough. Both of them lied to the families, both of them lied to the cops, and both of them lied to try to cover up this affair.

1198.464 - 1209.29 Erin Moriarty

That doesn't mean Gray says that Mack killed his wife. Instead, Gray goes on the attack and tells the jury that Carrie was in a precarious emotional state.

Chapter 3: Why did investigators suspect Matt Baker in his wife's death?

1332.708 - 1334.249 Prosecutor

The state will call Linda Doolin.

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1334.489 - 1348.619 Erin Moriarty

You solemnly swear the testimony you've given this matter will be... Three days into the trial, Carrie's mom, Linda Doolin, finally comes face to face with the man she has convinced killed her daughter. I am... I'm sorry.

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1350.066 - 1351.067 Defense Attorney Linda Parisi

Mother of Carrie.

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1351.127 - 1352.889 Prosecutor

Do you need to take a minute?

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1353.009 - 1360.236 Defense Attorney Linda Parisi

No, I'm OK. I apologize. I had this inner dialogue with myself, telling myself to get it together.

1360.596 - 1374.109 Erin Moriarty

Linda testifies that after her daughter died, Carrie's grief counselor told her that Carrie had found crushed pills in Matt's briefcase. Carrie feared he was going to harm her. Linda later confronted Matt.

1374.709 - 1388.459 Defense Attorney Linda Parisi

He told me that clearly some youth had found his briefcase and spit the pills in there so that they wouldn't have to take them, and that he reported this to security.

1388.8 - 1391.682 Erin Moriarty

Security at the youth center where Matt worked.

1392.222 - 1396.065 Prosecutor

Were you able to make any determination that it was reported?

Chapter 4: Who was Vanessa Bowles and what role did she play in the case?

1654.084 - 1655.445 Bill Lagattuta

She was a mistress of a preacher.

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1655.465 - 1659.368 Prosecutor

Now, you're not saying that at that time you were pure as the driven snow, right? Oh, no.

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1659.729 - 1662.391 Bill Lagattuta

That's not good anywhere around here. That's really not good.

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1662.776 - 1668.238 Erin Moriarty

Four days into Matt Baker's trial, the moment everyone has been waiting for.

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1668.538 - 1673.54 Defense Attorney Linda Parisi

For the first time, we were going to hear exactly what happened.

1674.06 - 1688.105 Erin Moriarty

On the stand, the prosecution's star witness, the self-confident, almost smug, 27-year-old teacher, Vanessa Bowles. Were you worried the jury might really dislike her? Oh, yeah.

1688.645 - 1690.926 Prosecutor

We were very aware of that problem going in.

1692.634 - 1696.675 Erin Moriarty

Assistant DA Susan Schaefer has another problem with the witness.

1697.135 - 1700.976 Prosecutor

There was a lot available for attack by the defense. Did you tell the truth about the affair?

Chapter 6: How did Matt Baker's trial unfold?

1051.424 - 1057.81 Defense Attorney Linda Parisi

I remember just falling to my knees, and I was crying, and I was overwhelmed.

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1059.19 - 1065.813 Erin Moriarty

In March 2009, Matt Baker was re-arrested and charged with Carrie's murder.

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1065.833 - 1067.694 Court Official

How do you wish to plead? I'm not guilty.

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1069.615 - 1075.118 Erin Moriarty

And the state star witness? Vanessa Bowles. I don't think she stole everything.

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1076.919 - 1078.38 Abden Rodriguez

I don't, I mean, there's still more.

1094.75 - 1103.515 Defense Attorney Linda Parisi

The stakes are so high. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. Please be seated. This is what we had been working for, the criminal trial.

1104.156 - 1124.901 Prosecutor

Nearly four years after claiming he found his wife dead. Carrie's last day of life was on Friday, April 7, 2006. Matt Baker is now on trial. for murder. You'll hear Matt Baker say his wife has just committed suicide, that he's found a note. But Matt has a variety of stories about what happened that night.

1125.561 - 1130.905 Defense Attorney Linda Parisi

Matt was a dangerous man. He had to be stopped before he hurt someone else.

1131.445 - 1137.389 Erin Moriarty

Carrie's mother, Linda, is surrounded by her family. To me, he looked smug.

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