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Behind the Bastards

It Could Happen Here Weekly 163

Sat, 04 Jan 2025

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All of this week's episodes of It Could Happen Here put together in one large file.  Government Small Enough to Fit in Your Bedroom feat. Steven Monacelli & Dr. Michael Phillips CZM Rewind: Police Drones and You CZM Rewind: You Already Know How to Organize Anarchism in Gran Columbia feat. Andrew Anarchism in Central America feat. Andrew  You can now listen to all Cool Zone Media shows, 100% ad-free through the Cooler Zone Media subscription, available exclusively on Apple Podcasts. So, open your Apple Podcasts app, search for “Cooler Zone Media” and subscribe today! http://apple.co/coolerzone  Sources: Government Small Enough to Fit in Your Bedroom feat. Steven Monacelli & Dr. Michael Phillips Elizabeth Dias and Lisa Lerer, The Fall of Roe: The Rise of a New America https://www.amazon.com/Fall-Roe-Rise-New-America-ebook/dp/B0CK72ZGL1/ref=sr_1_1?crid=LT8GCBOTWABV&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.JQimtOEGy3PsNcHVXC_RzHb4-nla_0uFg_mcpTX1ogL7AlrpV8uIf5LJfxCuazgOHruVfjQvhOd-B27Yyr-vsv6Jz5Rw2iecYpzZ8X1fODwGfubBl94YbczW4lNK_68iuBj2ipBDR9JsmUFKduu54NOSAjT_zA0v4iBiASNqit03Aix2od9liGMi5jliDW7hqtT59N7-A-bQTtkL38pZeRP_lNIji1bosnq7UeWXmNM.NrfQX0Mt4qMsvR3L2hDj0RFB_7GXrOGbbHNFxP_dxm0&dib_tag=se&keywords=Fall+of+Roe&qid=1732370376&s=books&sprefix=fall+of+roe%2Cstripbooks%2C124&sr=1-1 James Mohr, Abortion in America: The Origins and Evolution of National Policy https://www.amazon.com/Abortion-America-Origins-Evolution-National/dp/0195026160/ref=sr_1_1?crid=TR1W25IRTLDR&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.ZBOxRJsGiXDvGWbf9K1MRx7h7sn4m4_IDKwbohsbDD0.w_NHhzr7kEEWE8yR4B1rh1cuOGR8of66ZlXAvTHzxgM&dib_tag=se&keywords=James+Mohr+Abortion&qid=1732370158&s=books&sprefix=james+mohr+abortion%2Cstripbooks%2C116&sr=1-1 Leslie J. Reagan, When Abortion was a Crime: Women, Medicine, and Law in the United States, 1867- 1973 https://www.amazon.com/When-Abortion-Was-Crime-1867-1973-ebook/dp/B0B8TNX2MW/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2S9JMDTGAJQRN&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.GVgbRixhq1FpPKRp5yMnMOkGBck7LhL6KpbcZwznkVsd7LzGl_DPfKYBmem066YyaLnnRv1PlQP8Ysr75l695zDs8EZVD-oM42iCfuISV0g.1k8qK_S9Vp5KaliYGNYObwpmoQUvVOmVmxULkBK2JtM&dib_tag=se&keywords=When+Abortion+Was+Illegal&qid=1732370269&s=books&sprefix=when+abortion+was+illegal%2Cstripbooks%2C102&sr=1-1-catcorr James Risen, Wrath of Angels: The American Abortion War https://www.amazon.com/Wrath-Angels-American-Abortion-War/dp/046509273X Anarchism in Gran Columbia feat. Andrew Cappelletti, Angel (2018). Anarchism in Latin America. AK Press. https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/anselme-bellegarrigue-the-world-s-first-anarchist-manifesto Anarchism in Central America feat. Andrew  Cappelletti, Angel. (2018). Anarchism in Latin America. AK Press.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Chapter 1: What are the highlights of this week's episodes?

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130.134 - 146.216 Arturo Castro

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148.615 - 165.94 Jon Stewart

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Chapter 2: How does the Supreme Court decision affect abortion rights?

398.831 - 409.017 Stephen Monacelli

In that era, it was the first clear sign of impregnation. This moment varies widely for women, but it generally happens during the fourth or fifth month of pregnancy.

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409.657 - 430.054 Michael Phillips

Women typically endured seven to eight live births, and the experience was often grueling and life-threatening, particularly as they got older. Seeking relief and physical safety, women frequently terminated their pregnancy in a variety of ways. From Native Americans, white women learned which local herbs were considered abortifacients.

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430.915 - 453.584 Michael Phillips

White and black women also sought advice from midwives who provided wisdom on how to relieve menstrual cramps, get pregnant, and breastfeed. Midwives provided abortion services as well. Women attempted to end pregnancy with varying degrees of success by consuming pennyroyal tea or savin juniper or a combination of iron and quinine.

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454.204 - 458.647 Michael Phillips

They took hot baths or rode horses bareback in order to cause a miscarriage.

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459.167 - 480.19 Stephen Monacelli

Before the 1840s, such actions provoked little or no controversy. Even the Catholic Church adhered to the quickening standard until after the American Civil War. By the 1840s, abortion had become so deeply rooted in American history and culture that abortionists advertised their services, albeit in euphemistic but widely understood terms.

480.931 - 493.687 Stephen Monacelli

These advertisements were carried in popular newspapers such as the New York Sun and the Boston Daily Times. Abortionists told patients they could provide, quote, French cures for what was referred to as, quote, menstrual blockage.

494.528 - 519.514 Michael Phillips

A dramatic shift happened after the 1847 founding of the American Medical Association. Established by men, the organization began lobbying states to ban abortions in an attempt to discredit midwives, who represented major competition for female patients. Medical journalists began to dismiss midwives and male doctors who provided abortion services as dangerous, ill-informed quacks.

520.419 - 538.825 Michael Phillips

AMA members were still unaware that germs existed, and they didn't clean their hands or equipment when examining wounds or during surgeries, thus causing many of their patients to die of sepsis. So-called regular doctors often use dangerous treatments such as bleeding to treat illnesses.

539.605 - 564.664 Michael Phillips

Yet, in spite of their high body count, AMA members persuaded major press outlets, such as the New York Times, to sensationally cover cases in which women died during abortions performed by midwives. This created momentum for the enactment by 1880 of laws banning and criminalizing abortion in every single state except Kentucky, where state courts had already rendered such procedures illegal.

Chapter 3: What role do police drones play in surveillance?

5098.026 - 5114.991 Garrison Davis

The 4th District Court of Appeals ruled that claiming exemption from the Public Records Act was unlawful and sent the case back to trial court to hammer out the details of how much footage is subject to public disclosure and figure out a process for standardizing the release of the footage.

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5116.132 - 5134.319 Garrison Davis

Now, the same day I attended this panel in Las Vegas, January 9th, the city of Chula Vista requested an appeal to the California Supreme Court to prevent the release of their aerial video footage. There is a 60-day waiting period where the high court will decide whether or not to take the case.

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5134.939 - 5143.102 Garrison Davis

And if they decline, finally, it will go back to trial court to decide on the process of how selected drone footage shall be made publicly available.

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5144.002 - 5166.745 Garrison Davis

The police are now currently claiming that making DFR footage adhere to the Public Records Act would violate the privacy of Chula Vista residents captured in the videos, which perhaps demonstrates that the aerial videos should have never been captured in the first place. I'm going to read a press release from the city's communication manager, quote, unquote.

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5183.377 - 5199.46 Garrison Davis

So the city is both trying to argue that having to manually review each requested file to determine if the video in question is related to a pending investigation, as well as redacting personal information captured on camera, would be way too costly and time-consuming.

5200.181 - 5215.085 Garrison Davis

City officials claim that reviewing and redacting videos from one month to obscure faces, license plates, and backyards would take a full-time employee around 230 days. I'm going to read a little bit more from the city's recent statement, quote, unquote.

5234.008 - 5259.038 Garrison Davis

Somehow, the city is missing the point that this is the very reason the drone footage is being requested to learn the actual nature of this highly influential drone first responder program that's being adopted across the country. If the existence of this footage is such a massive privacy violation, that implies that the recording of said footage itself implicitly violates people's privacy.

5259.738 - 5280.392 Garrison Davis

And the harder police fight to hide their sweeping collection of aerial footage, all the more suspicious this entire program seems. So that is what I have to say about Chula Vista's drone first responder program. In about a month and a half, the Supreme Court of California will make their decision on whether or not they're going to hear this case.

5280.952 - 5290.517 Garrison Davis

If they decline, then the precedent will be set statewide against this exemption of the Public Records Act. by hiding drone footage. So that will be really cool.

Chapter 4: How has the public reacted to surveillance technology?

7074.085 - 7089.818 James Stout

Or you can obtain a button maker. They're very easy to use, but if you have one or you know the person who has the button maker and suddenly you can just crank out buttons for every single event, they rule. Everyone loves them. It helps enormously. It's awesome.

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7090.338 - 7097.828 Unidentified Speaker (Brief Interjection)

That's a badge for those of us in the Commonwealth. Yeah. Also, if you have a sewing machine. Yeah, I was about to mention that.

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7097.868 - 7099.069 James Stout

Yeah, you're a hero.

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7099.269 - 7117.341 Unidentified Speaker (Brief Interjection)

Yeah, one of my friends recently made me a little patch. And it's really cool. And I like it. I'm putting it on my stuff. But if you can sew, that's a skill that I do not have. And it's so great when people can... like, fix stuff for someone or, you know, make stuff fit someone.

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7117.641 - 7142.719 Unidentified Speaker (Brief Interjection)

You know, if you're a person who finds it hard to get clothes that you like to wear that make you feel good, and someone, one of my friends could do that. And one of my friends was making clothes for another friend for, like, a Renaissance fair. And, like, it was the nicest thing I've seen someone do for someone else in a very long time. It really made her, like... Yeah... feel nice and cared for.

7143.22 - 7149.887 Unidentified Speaker (Brief Interjection)

You might think that this is just a weird little thing that you like to do with your sewing machine, but you can meaningfully really make someone feel cared for using that.

7150.347 - 7167.899 James Stout

Yeah, and that's a huge part of what organizing is, right? And that goes into one of the things that is also an appreciable skill that's very useful is I mean, just like being nice to people, being kind to people and having people around who are good at like keeping groups together. Yeah.

7167.939 - 7186.443 James Stout

That's its own distinct kind of person is someone who can, you know, keep all of the people who are involved in a thing, enjoying being around each other. That's a kind of person who's very valuable. And it's something that you can look for, you know, and if that's not you, like you can, that's something you can, you know, find in your friends, you can find in the sort of the people around you.

7186.463 - 7208.196 James Stout

Yeah. Yeah, definitely. There's also something that I think you can tell when an organization is collapsing because this is like the first thing where the quality drops. Drawing and graphic design are very, very useful because a big part of what you do organizing is like you make a flyer and you put a flyer on a bunch of telephone poles to tell people that there's a thing happening. Yeah. And...

Chapter 5: What is the history of abortion laws in Texas?

8240.107 - 8257.474 James Stout

You can be the person who goes like, hey, do you have this person have anything to contribute? And that is an enormous thing. Sometimes it can be, you know, sometimes it can be a little bit awkward, but it's a very important thing because you're just losing out on people who have really, really valuable ideas and contributions and plans.

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8257.935 - 8265.558 James Stout

And if you just let the same three people give speeches, you can't get to the stuff that's actually useful.

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8266.238 - 8278.287 Unidentified Speaker (Brief Interjection)

Yeah, definitely. If you've been a teacher, or in any way, you probably have this skill. You might not consider it a skill, but even if you've been a TA in grad school, something like that, you probably know how to do this.

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8278.787 - 8300.438 James Stout

Yeah. So I'm going to put all of this together briefly, and I'm going to run through basically how we started the first organizing project I ever did, which was a tenants' union in Chicago. Okay. So, and this is based on my memory. It's been a long time since I did this, but my basic memory of what we did was... Okay, so one of my friends is an experienced organizer. I was like a tiny baby, right?

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8300.478 - 8320.147 James Stout

This was my first offline organizing project ever, right? I had no idea what I was doing. I still thought I was a guy, which, like, that's how much of a fiasco, like, little tiny baby Mia who doesn't know anything this was, you know. And so my friend talked to some people that he knew, and he knew that I was interested in getting involved in tenants organizing, and we, like, went to a cafe.

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Mm-hmm.

8321.187 - 8340.827 James Stout

And we sat down and we ate and we just talked about what we wanted to do, what our plans were, what things we needed to do to get this organization set up. We talked about ideological stuff. And that's actually is something that's important, too, is part of organizing is getting people to think intentionally about their actions. and think politically about their actions. Yeah.

8341.867 - 8356.392 James Stout

And that's something that's very useful. You also have to make sure that you're not forming a book club. Like, book clubs are fine, but you need to make sure your organizing group, if you're trying to do a thing, hasn't just become a book club. Yeah. But that's, you know, that was something that was very useful to us, and, you know, we started making a plan.

8356.432 - 8371.479 James Stout

And our plan was, okay, we made a bunch of flyers, and then we went out, and I did this, and I walked around through a bunch of streets, and we put them on light posts or whatever, and then we put them... Like, we hung them up in the buildings of tenants, you know, because you can just, like, walk up the stairs, right? And you just put them on the walls. And, you know, we had this flyer.

Chapter 6: What are the ethical concerns surrounding police drones?

Chapter 7: How can individuals get involved in organizing efforts?

10059.884 - 10077.815 Andrew T

But there's actually a much deeper philosophical bent to anarchist egoism that I think everybody should give a chance. I actually recently read what is considered the first manifesto of anarchism. And it was written by this French anarchist named Anselme Bellegarigue. And he was actually an individualist anarchist.

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10078.415 - 10099.09 Andrew T

And you actually, in reading that, end up seeing a lot of the influences that would later sort of develop further into anarchist individualism from the very beginning. You know, I highly recommend reading it. It's called Anarchy, a Journal of Order. It's available on the Anarchist Library. It's a surprisingly contemporary piece, in my opinion.

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10099.15 - 10115.604 Andrew T

It was translated by Sean Wilbur, who's another anarchist scholar who I'm really inspired by lately. And it really gets into some of the ideas that I think we've forgotten in terms of what it takes to achieve the complete liberation of all people.

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10116.212 - 10118.894 Garrison Davis

So that's Anarchy, a Journal of Order?

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10119.274 - 10131.624 Andrew T

Yeah, Anarchy, a Journal of Order. He ended up not publishing more than two issues due to low readership. But that's what happens, I think, when you have many such cases. Many such cases, many such cases.

10132.185 - 10135.047 Garrison Davis

Yeah, I will pull that up on the Anarchist Library and give that a read myself.

10136.536 - 10168.162 Andrew T

Yeah, it happens when you're ahead of the times in a sense. And he actually ends up becoming at least partially relevant to the next episode I'm going to do on the Latin American anarchism series because he ends up making his way to Latin America at one point in his life. In fact, he dies in Latin America, but we'll get to that in time. Finally, we turn to Venezuela.

10169.143 - 10188.355 Andrew T

By the late 19th century, refugees from the failed Paris Commune arrived in Caracas, bringing with them the radical spirit of the International Workingmen's Association. From a few of these immigrants, small anarchist cells emerged, but they were stifled by the brutal dictatorship of Juan Vincente Gomez from 1899 to 1935.

10190.916 - 10206.841 Andrew T

Though few in number, the anarchist immigrant efforts to form mutual societies, organize strikes, and spread propaganda gained them a notoriety that put a massive bullseye on them for Gomez's persecution. And yet amidst the repression, a few sparks of anarchism did survive.

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