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Britain announces biggest increase in defence spending in decades

Tue, 25 Feb 2025

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Britain has announced it will increase defence spending, funded partly by cutting foreign aid. Also: The dispute over fish at a traditional Belgian festival, and stargazers anticipate a rare planetary spectacle.

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic of this episode?

88.295 - 96.305 Oliver Conway

And Syrians meet to discuss their post-Assad future, but the Kurds say they've been excluded. Also in the podcast.

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96.325 - 97.847 Rebecca Kesby

A rare spectacle in the night sky.

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Chapter 2: Why is Britain increasing its defense spending?

115.35 - 135.279 Oliver Conway

When the British Prime Minister Keir Starmer goes to Washington on Thursday, what can he do to win over Donald Trump? The US President has long complained about Europe freeloading on defence by relying on America. The French President visited the White House on Monday and now France is reportedly willing to use its nuclear deterrent to help protect Europe.

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135.899 - 147.387 Oliver Conway

Now the British government has signalled that it too is willing to step up by boosting defence spending. It will be partly funded by cutting the UK's overseas aid budget. Keir Starmer spoke to Parliament.

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147.947 - 167.242 Keir Starmer

We must find courage in our history. Courage in who we are as a nation. Because courage is what our own era now demands of us. So starting today... So how much of a difference will it make? Our UK political correspondent is Rob Watson.

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188.032 - 205.281 Rob Watson

It will certainly make some difference, Oliver, but I mean clearly ever since the end of the Cold War, at the end of the 1980s, the UK has been spending less and less and its armed forces getting more and more hollowed out. So will it make a difference? Yes. Will it transform them? That's unlikely.

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205.341 - 208.403 Oliver Conway

And what about cutting the aid? How much difference will that make?

208.463 - 216.487 Rob Watson

Again, that will be profoundly regretted by the British government, but also those on the receiving end. And as Sakhir Starmer made clear, it's just not something...

Chapter 3: How will the UK's defense spending changes impact relations with the US?

Chapter 4: What are the implications of cutting foreign aid?

188.032 - 205.281 Rob Watson

It will certainly make some difference, Oliver, but I mean clearly ever since the end of the Cold War, at the end of the 1980s, the UK has been spending less and less and its armed forces getting more and more hollowed out. So will it make a difference? Yes. Will it transform them? That's unlikely.

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205.341 - 208.403 Oliver Conway

And what about cutting the aid? How much difference will that make?

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208.463 - 216.487 Rob Watson

Again, that will be profoundly regretted by the British government, but also those on the receiving end. And as Sakhir Starmer made clear, it's just not something...

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217.097 - 230.527 Rob Watson

In an ideal world that Britain would do, but given that it doesn't want to increase taxes, given that economic growth here is utterly sclerotic, and because of pressure on other spending areas, he sort of takes the view that he didn't have much choice.

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230.587 - 237.152 Oliver Conway

And that, coupled with the increase in defense spending, is likely to go down well in Washington.

237.652 - 256.389 Rob Watson

It will, and I don't think it's any great secret, Oliver, is it, that there is timing involved. in all of this. I mean, this is a big statement from Keir Starmer and I think it has a couple of purposes. The first is, before he gets to the White House to say to Donald Trump, hey, look, we are serious, we get that you want the Europeans to spend more on defence.

256.849 - 277.183 Rob Watson

I think the second element is that it was interesting that he's clearly not looking for a row with Donald Trump, despite all the provocations, all the divisions over Ukraine. Some of the truly sort of shocking statements as Western Europe would see it over Ukraine and Putin Keir Starmer nimmt die Meinung, dass die Beziehung mit den USA wichtig ist. Das ist der zweite Teil.

277.303 - 295.311 Rob Watson

Aber der dritte Teil ist, dass er seinen Betten hängt und sagt, ja, wir wollen nicht zwischen den USA und Europa wählen, aber wir werden mehr auf die Verteidigung investieren. Wir werden unsere Sicherheitsbeziehungen mit Europa stärken. Das ist ein großer Moment. Das ist die UK, die irgendwie hofft, dass das Post-1945-Order,

297.313 - 302.776 Rob Watson

with the US-UK relationship and NATO at the heart of it, can somehow still be salvaged.

Chapter 5: What are the EU's and US's roles in Ukraine's mineral deals?

307.399 - 329.007 Rob Watson

British voters seem relatively on side. I mean, it's helped by the fact that there are no great political divisions in the UK over defence spending and over support for Ukraine. Will British voters like the idea of more spending on defence and maybe squeezes on budgets For domestic spending, no doubt that will be difficult.

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329.027 - 348.58 Rob Watson

But the case that Sir Keir Starmer is sort of beginning to make is to say to the British people, hey, look, you know, we thought when the Berlin Wall came down, we were going to be living in different times. I thought that, he said, as a young man, the shackles of history coming off. But look, Russian tanks rolled into Ukraine. We are not living in those times. We need to act differently.

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349.187 - 367.961 Oliver Conway

Our political correspondent Rob Watson. Just over a year ago, Vladimir Putin accused the US of trying to dismember Russia in order to plunder its natural resources. But now, with Donald Trump in the White House, Russia seems happy to allow the Americans in. It has the fifth largest reserves of rare earth minerals in the world.

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368.021 - 374.847 Oliver Conway

And the Kremlin said today there were broad prospects for cooperation with the US. This was President Putin himself on Monday.

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375.287 - 392.075 Vladimir Putin

Russia is one of the undisputed leaders in reserves of these rare earth metals. We have them in the north, in the Caucasus and in the far east. These are quite capital intensive investments, capital intensive projects. We would be happy to work together with any foreign partners, including American ones.

392.891 - 412.896 Oliver Conway

Mr Putin also mentioned deposits in what he called the new territories, occupied Ukraine. President Trump has been pressuring Ukraine to sign an agreement with the US on its minerals and talks are ongoing. But now the EU is offering the Ukrainians a separate deal, as I heard from our Europe regional editor, Danny Eberhardt.

413.336 - 429.222 Danny Eberhard

Stefan Sejournet, er ist der EU-Kommissionär für Industrie-Strategie, ist am Montag in Kiew gekommen, als Teil der Erinnerungen auf das dritte Jahrhundert der vollständigen russischen Invasion. Und er hat das dem ukrainischen Regierung vorgestellt. Er spricht von einem Win-Win-Szenario.

429.762 - 450.567 Danny Eberhard

And he describes the EU's approach as giving added value because the bloc, he said, would never demand a deal that was not mutually beneficial. He says that Ukraine has 21 out of 30 minerals that the EU sees as critical minerals. And it seems the whole approach is very different to that of Washington.

450.607 - 500.995 Danny Eberhard

President Trump's approach has been very aggressive, very strident, talking about Ukraine having to Das ist ein großer Unterschied zwischen dem, was Präsident Trump sagt und dem, was Ukraine sagt. Ja, genau. And the EU is obviously trying to source critical minerals from lots of other parts of the world as well. Argentina, Democratic Republic of Congo, these sort of places.

Chapter 6: What is the significance of the rare planetary spectacle?

Chapter 7: What is happening in Syria post-Assad regime?

501.075 - 509.18 Oliver Conway

Yes, and now the Russians are saying, hey, we've got lots of minerals too and people are welcome to come and help us develop them, especially the Americans.

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510.092 - 534.254 Danny Eberhard

Yes, now obviously this is tied in with the wider issue of bilateral talks that the US is conducting with Russia about bringing an end to Ukraine. That's unnerved Ukraine very deeply, it's unnerved European leaders. But it seems that President Trump is approaching the whole war in Ukraine with a very much more transactional approach. And right from the beginning of the talks...

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534.674 - 553.911 Danny Eberhard

He made concessions to Russia on a number of issues, or his officials did. And he raised the prospect of great economic cooperation in the future. So what Russia is doing is saying, yes, we have these minerals. Let's solve the Ukraine crisis, as they call it. They don't refer to it as a war. Let's do that first.

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553.971 - 574.327 Danny Eberhard

And obviously what we're seeing in the broader picture, it seems, is that there's a shift away from issues of international rules-based order, some of the moral positions about why people have to oppose Russian aggression in Ukraine. And there seems to be developing some sort of scramble for resources in a post-conflict environment.

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577.589 - 601.836 Oliver Conway

Eleven weeks after the Assad regime was overthrown, the new authorities in Syria have opened a conference in Damascus to discuss how the country will be run. On Monday, the European Union suspended some selected sanctions, such as restrictions on oil and gas, to try to encourage support for a transition to democratic rule. Murtasem Sioufi is head of Civic Group, the Day After Association.

602.652 - 622.032 Murtasem Sioufi

At the end of the day, we need to have dialogue with all Syrian groups, with all Syrian powers, especially those who have great influence on the ground. Without that, Syria will face a very hard time maintaining itself together. And I hope that what we are doing today is a beginning of a track rather than an end of a process.

622.779 - 636.952 Oliver Conway

But parties in Syria's autonomous Kurdish region have complained that there is only token representation for minority groups at the conference. An official from one Kurdish party, Salih Islam, told the BBC his group had been excluded.

636.992 - 663.391 Salih Islam

Because we are different voice, we are calling for the democracy and democracy is prohibited in their country. One of the first issues being discussed is how to deal with the crimes of the previous regime, what's been called transitional justice.

663.451 - 666.512 Oliver Conway

Our Middle East correspondent Lina Sinjab told us more.

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