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Gay Conservatives and Jew-Hating Liberals: More Charlie at the University of Wisconsin
Wed, 18 Dec 2024
Why is anti-Semitism exploding on the left? What's the real deal on affirmative action? And what does Charlie have to say about self-identified gay conservatives? It's another wave of diverse questions and back-and-forth debate for Charlie from the students at the University of Wisconsin.Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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you deal with the current situation in Israel um boy that's a great question uh you you got to try to get peace um you got you got to try to get the hostages out um I'm very I'm very sympathetically pro-Israel I have some disagreements in Netanyahu on some stuff in fact I've picked some fights with the Israeli government on some stuff um but I also have no I have no patience for anti-Semitism on either side I just don't I think it's disgusting and it's wrong um
There's not a good solution. The only solution I could see, be perfectly honest with you, is to get Egypt and Jordan to actually do their part to take the people of Gaza. But they don't want them. And so you have to use American power and American hegemony to basically say, hey, Jordan, you guys are going to take a couple million refugees. Egypt, you're going to take a couple million refugees.
Other than that, there really isn't a solution because you have two sides that are at irreconcilable odds right now. But you know what the issue is? When Donald Trump was president, we had more peace between Israel and its neighbors than any time in any of your lifetimes. And so Donald Trump had peace in the Middle East, and he will deliver peace in the Middle East once again.
Can I have a hat also?
Yes, you can.
Thank you. Do you want me to sign it?
Yes. Disagreements welcome. Hey, Charlie, I'm Levi.
Yes, I was formerly a Democrat, but I'm a Jewish student here. And after October 7th, I sort of switched over. I was wondering if you think that's like a trend among Jewish voters and if that will have the big impacts on the election, especially with like Kamala not picking Josh Shapiro. I wonder if that sort of shows her stance on it.
Well, first of all, welcome to the Republican Party. You are welcome here. And I think it's terrific. So. Number number one, I wanted number two on to say that you're right. Kamala Harris should have picked Josh Shapiro. It was the better choice for her ticket. The only reason she did not pick Josh Shapiro is because he's a Jew.
That's what I period.
There is no other reason. Yes, I think it is a trend. I think that Jews need to realize the Democrat Party is not a safe place for them at all. But it is at odds with their first of all, their love of the state of Israel, of which I share. And secondly, and I think thirdly and most importantly, is that the American Jewish community has long had an attachment with the American Democrat Party.
You know, that's very, very hard to break. Right. I hope it does, because we as conservatives, Republicans and Trump supporters welcome Jewish Americans coming into our ranks.
Thank you.
God bless. Thank you. Yes, you can. Absolutely. Yes. Yeah. I'll sign it. Yes, sir.
Hey, Charlie. So a photo recently surfaced of Tim Walls' family, like, turning on you. Yeah, it was great, right? I want to know what you think about that.
No, I think it's great. First of all, the grammar was wrong, because that really bothered me. Did you notice that the grammar was incorrect? Yeah, yeah. I am not a Tim Walls fan at all, but yeah, if Tim Walls can't even get the support of his own family, it's a big issue.
It should show the American people that if your whole family's turning on you, then...
Yeah, I mean, look, to be fair, like parts of Trump's family have turned against him. So but to have that many members of the family was pretty, pretty aggressive. Yeah. Thank you. You bet. Yes. Yes. Yes, you can. Yes. By the way, young women get priority on the hat because we need more young women Trump supporters. Yes.
Hey, Charlie. Just for context, I'm Persian Jewish. Both my parents are born in Iran. I'm from L.A. Okay.
It should die down at some point.
Yeah, yeah. You know, it just kind of puts me in a hard situation with my entire family. Like I'm kind of torn between two parts of my heritage. I just wanted to know what you think the war in the Middle East is going to turn into if Trump is elected versus if Kamala is elected.
Yeah.
If Kamala is elected, you could see World War III. If Trump is elected, he will bring peace to the Middle East and bring peace between Russia and Ukraine. Because when Trump was president, we had peace. Under Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, we have more war, more suffering, more refugees. And it's a disgrace for all people involved. And to be clear.
I have a heart for the people of Gaza that are suffering right now. And it's a war that many of them did not invite. And so I hope that we can have some sort of reconciliation and some sort of peace settlement that satisfies both sides. Awesome, man. Thank you so much. God bless. Thank you. Yeah.
Hey, all right. Conduct for this question. I'm 18. This is my first time voting. I mean, I registered as an independent. I'm not really a huge fan of either party right now. But as I consider Trump, I just have like one issue. I'm wondering how you reconcile that. I know you support him. So he was found. Yeah, he was found civilly liable for rape. He was convicted multiple counts of fraud.
And I think we can both agree that objectively speaking, rape and fraud are morally wrong, like objectively. So I'm just wondering how you reconcile that as a Trump voter. I mean, do you know any of the details of the case or – Well, what are you referring to?
Well, yeah, first, the rape case was a civil case, not a criminal case, right? Yeah, I know, civilly liable. Yeah, so – but – He didn't do it. I don't know what else to say. I mean, the evidence was so insane, was so ridiculous. It was a woman that said, oh, yeah, Donald Trump put me in a closet in Tiffany's and raped me. I mean, it was so ridiculous.
And of course, it was a jury that was highly politically motivated in charge.
Sure. And 34 counts of fraud. You don't see any.
But hold on. Just so we understand, 34 counts of fraud. I encourage you to read the indictment. Can you tell me what the crime was, though? I believe some of them had to do with the Hashmani case. Right. But no. But what was he covering? No, no one knows because they made up a crime. Right. Because they said that he was trying to conceal a crime. in the pursuit of the crime.
I can get into the details of this, but let me just ask you a question. Do you think that there is anything to the argument?
Falsifying business records?
Right, falsifying business records. Is that a felony? I mean, it's fraud, yeah. Oh, is it a felony? No, it's not. He upgraded it for the first time in New York State history as a felony. Why? Because his name is Donald Trump. That's why.
Sure, but you would agree that falsifying business records, that sort of activity is just morally wrong in general, right?
Well, falsifying business records, I mean, if anybody runs a small business and you put $35 instead of $32... Trump's not a small business owner.
He's a...
OK, first of all, if you are a small business owner, you do that. You put thirty five dollars out of thirty thirty six dollars. They could get you for falsifying business records. And the thirty four counts, each one of the counts was like on each check that he wrote. So it's not as if there was like this big, broad conspiracy. But like, let's just be as clear as we can.
Do you let me ask you a question, actually. Do you think that there's anything to the argument Donald Trump's being unfairly targeted because his name is Donald Trump?
I think, yeah, there's some marriage law.
OK, definitely. Yes, because if anyone gets under that kind of examination and everything you do in your life, every transaction, every conversation that they're going to be able to find something that they can get on you.
Just one last thing I would argue.
But do you think that there's some merit to that? I do. OK, good.
Seeing as he was the president, I think he deserves extra scrutiny. Right.
Do you think that any other politician has received the scrutiny he's received?
I guess. Yeah, I guess that's debatable. Yeah.
Yeah. I mean, no. And again, I can go into the details of why I think that is politically charged, politically motivated. But I it is at some point we had a tradition in this country that if you are a former president, we're not going to throw the examination of justice against you because it's just really unhealthy and damaging to the country. Right.
I mean, even those of us that thought Hillary Clinton committed a lot of crimes, we were OK with her not getting investigated at some point because we thought it would damage the country. At some point, because we were like, OK, she definitely committed crimes, but if they're not going after her because we don't want to try to further sever the country.
With Donald Trump indicted in four different jurisdictions on four different things, it's very clear that they're trying to interfere with the presidential election. They being the Justice Department. Yeah. And the Democrat Party. Right. And this is what third world dictatorships do. Right.
I mean, in Russia, we got so mad when they put the opposition leader in jail and he died in jail because he wasn't able to speak out. Right. And so without getting into the details of the case, of which I think they are meritless and a lot of legal scholars agree. I think we need to take a step back and say, is it real?
Is it healthy long term for us as a country to be able to put the ascendant political opposition leader in jail when he's very popular and he's not in jail? Well, he's being sentenced in two weeks, potentially. And just to be clear, I would also agree probably should not be in jail. But I think the.
Oh, no, I know.
But morally speaking, he's facing 700 years in prison. Right. And so just so we're clear, very unlikely that he's actually going to be put in Well, hold on. But that's you might be. I think you're right. But that's not the argument, though, because the justice system is supposed to be blind regardless of who you are.
And if there's something deeply disturbing when someone is about to either he's building a move, you might not like him at all, but he's building a movement. A lot of Americans like him and a lot of people show up to his events and a lot of people believe in him. And like, no, we're going to indict you. What does that say for democracy? Right. Right. You know what I mean?
Like, what does that say for the everyday person who thinks he's the right choice? And if you think he should go in jail and those people shouldn't vote for him, then you think those people are stupid. Not you. But like if that if that's the perspective and they say, oh, we know better than the welder who likes Trump or we know better than the college kid that likes Trump.
And so for the health and the vitality of the country, the Democrats should have resisted the temptation of indicting him and putting him in prison. Instead, he's had to beat it. He has bought he's beat some of these cases, thankfully. And but it's and on the civil case. Right. On the fraud case, he repaid all of his debts. Just so we're clear. So who's the victim? Right.
There's no victim when you repay all your debts. They're saying, oh, the state of New York is the victim. What I'm getting at is there's a great quote by Cicero, who is the one to one year Roman council. He said, the more laws, the less justice. And if you are in charge, you have all these laws. You show me the man. I'll show you the crime.
And it's a tragedy because with Donald Trump, they fear his movement so much and they fear that he'll become president. They're willing to do something that they've never done before, which is try to put a former president in jail. Is that persuasive at all to you or? Not really, but I got your argument. I definitely understand your argument. Okay, thanks. All right. Thank you. Yep. All right.
Next question.
Disagreements, please. I just got a really quick question. In a world of misinformation that we live in, where do you go to find your facts and data?
Mostly the Charlie Kirk show is where I get most of my information. I love Tucker's show, the Tucker Carlson podcast. I like citizenfreepress.com. Realclearpolitics.com is great. I try to go to original source documents. I try to watch the least amount of television news as possible. I try to read my news more than I watch my news. Listening and reading your news is far better way than watching.
Watching news is designed to try to get you emotional, try to get you fired up. Listening and reading is still, but it's to a lesser extent. Appreciate it.
Thank you.
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So can I just have your – can you just reclaim, like, your opinion on affirmative action, please?
Yeah, I think affirmative action is racist, wrong, and against – and it's unconstitutional. So it's immoral.
Right.
And should be unconstitutional.
At first, I thought, like, I was 100 percent a believer in affirmative action. You know, I was like, OK, you know, OK, I'm going to have a – Because I'm Latina. So I was like, OK, I'm going to get in to this college. And so then I was like, wait, this is like completely wrong. I had like a I had to come into Jesus moment of like, this is wrong.
This is horrible because I'm being put on this pedestal that I mean, other people around me, like my high school teachers have done. They said, oh, you don't need to try that hard. I mean, you're going to get into the college you want because you're you're a person of color. I was like, are you kidding me? I was like, that's crazy.
But also, isn't it kind of insulting to you?
It's very insulting, yeah.
It treats you like you're stupid, right?
Exactly, exactly. It's 100% insulting. And so, but I have another little sister who's also a person of color in high school right now. And I just wanted your advice for how she can, like...
I mean, look, my advice to her is as sinister as it sounds, like use it. Right. I mean, she right. If she works really hard, plus being a person of color, she could go to Princeton. Right. And here's the reality. There is a white male next to you right now. He has to get much higher test scores than your sister to go into a graduate school.
Yeah.
We both agree that's evil. That's wrong. What are we doing? That's racism. And also, again, it acts as if he being a white male is inherently smarter than you. And that's, of course, not the case. We don't know who's smarter. In fact, that's the whole point of the American project is that we shouldn't be able to judge just based on your skin color.
My advice for your sister is try to fight against affirmative action, but in the short term, use it because the laws and the system is currently configured to help her.
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Are you voting for Trump?
Oh, 100%.
I love it. There we go. Good for you. You want a hat? All right. Yes.
Next question. Charlie, I just wanted to thank you for coming to UW-Madison. I appreciate it. I just wanted a quick ask if I could have a Trump hat, please.
Yes, but only if you're voting. Are you registering your voting? I am. Both. All right. Great. Good. Only if you register and you vote. Yes. Who disagrees? Yes.
I just wanted your thoughts on Citizens United and the super PACs and all that kind of stuff.
Not healthy for the country, but probably the right constitutional decision. Okay. So if you – that's the issue with the Supreme Court is you can't judge the effects always as much as the interpretation. Yeah. is because a true justice should judge based on the intent of the law, not just what they think it will do.
But I think it's deeply unhealthy that we have billions of dollars flowing through super PACs and we have to see this ridiculous TV advertising all the time. I don't think it's healthy for the country at all.
But if you go back to the Supreme Court decision, the reason it was decided the way it was is because it was under speech where they asked, they said, well, what if Charlie Kirk writes a book against Kamala Harris?
Yeah.
Is that considered political speech? And they said, yes. So that right. It's a gray area, isn't it? I mean, I should be able to write a book. Right. But they say, no, it's something of value. It's no different than a political advertisement. And so that so it was the right decision, but a bad outcome for the country.
Yeah.
I feel like it poisons our democracy in the context. Well, yeah. Again, I don't love the term democracy, even though I use it every so often. But yes, it poisons our elections. I think that. Because we're not a democracy. We're a republic. But yes, for sure. I'm not trying to nitpick. But I think what it does is it makes politicians far more obedient to their donors than people on both sides.
And just so we're clear, the Democrat Party, they have hated Citizens United, but now they use it better than Republicans. Democrats raise more money. They have more TV ads. And because they wanted to win and they've now become the party. But both sides use it, though. Well, Democrats raise way more money than Republicans now. But yes, both sides do.
Democrats outrace Republicans almost four to one. Okay. Thank you. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Yes. Question. Disagreements are welcome. Hey, the rain cleared up. So there we go.
Hey, Charlie. So my question is either in the immediate or distant future, can you ever see yourself running for office?
No, I'm not running for anything. My number one mission is to make Donald Trump go back into the White House in November. That's my number one mission. I love it. Can I get a hat? Yes, you can. Only if you promise you wear it. You're registered to vote? Yes, sir. In the state of Wisconsin? Yes, sir. All right. Then yes, you can. Yes. Question. Disagreements are most welcome.
Yes. So... I'm a gay conservative, and I just want to kind of ask you, like, what do you have to say for people like me who kind of feel like, I guess, it's kind of hard for gay conservatives because there's not a lot of us. So, like, what do you have to say to other gay people who need to realize, like, they do have a choice?
First of all, welcome to the conservative movement, but I want to be clear. I don't agree with your lifestyle, and I don't think you should introduce yourself just based on your sexual attractions. No, I agree. Because that's not who you are.
I like to be thought of as a person.
For sure.
I'm not.
I think you're actually way more interesting based on your sexual tendencies, right? Yes. So I think we should get away from this idea that your identity is based on your bedroom behavior. You are a complete human being, and I'm sure you treat people well, and you're studying something. So I want to get away with this idea that you're gay anything, right? First, you should say I'm a conservative.
I also have same-sex attraction. That's fine. I just think that we have gone a long way in the negative direction in this country where we act as if the most important part of your identity is –
what you do in the bedroom it doesn't mean that much to me but if you ask from a perspective as a christian and conservative i i don't agree with that lifestyle but politics is about addition and multiplication i imagine you agree with a lot of what we talk about absolutely right strong borders strong country and for that you know we welcome you to the conservative movement thank you could i get a hat yes you can absolutely thank you yes question
I like your shirt a lot. I totally agree with that sentiment. And I think it's a sentiment that came a lot as RFK endorsed Trump. But one of RFK's main campaign issues was being very against the COVID vaccine. And what would you say to Trump voters who are hesitant or concerned about Trump's inability to say that Operation Warp Speed was an utter failure?
Well, I think that's a great question. I think that him bringing RFK in is is the closest you're going to get. Right. Donald Trump said he'll do stuff differently. RFK was a huge critic of Operation Warp Speed, which, granted, was something we've never seen before, which was that the administrative state took over the entire health apparatus of a country.
We never should have locked down this country. We never should have mandated masks. We never should have mandated vaccines. And I think Donald Trump bringing RFK into the fold is the closest thing that we're going to see to making sure it never happens again, because that's really what matters, right? Outside of an apology, RFK around Donald Trump is the greatest thing
shot in the arm, get it, of those of us that want to make sure that Pfizer, Moderna, Johnson & Johnson will not run this country and that we can hopefully make America healthy again.
Do you think that... because of the COVID vaccine hesitancy, there's going to be a future hesitancy to other vaccines in the future?
Yeah, of course. Absolutely. I mean, to be perfectly honest, I'm very hesitant of the COVID vaccine. And you should be. I mean, look at the track record. Get your ninth booster. It's safe and effective. Yeah, okay, great. So... Yeah, I mean, I think that other we should question a lot of vaccines, to be honest with you. I mean, why we give babies the hepatitis B vaccine is insane.
No one can answer that question. We just do it automatically. The first thing a baby does, they come out of the mother's birth canal. You put you put eye ointment on their eyes unnecessarily unless the mom has gonorrhea. And then we give the baby a hepatitis B vaccine unless the mom has a sexually transmitted disease. It's completely unnecessary. So I think other things should be questioned.
There's other vaccines that are great and those should obviously be celebrated and looked at. But that's a topic that is largely forbidden from public discourse. I just wanted to be clear.
I'm still voting for him because Tim Walz is a communist.
Good for you.
You want a hat? I love one. Great. OK. All right. Yes. Next question. Thank you.
Hi, I just wanted to ask about markets and subsidies and the interest of the American economy. So U.S. automakers are facing a big threat from Chinese companies with electric vehicles that are heavily undercutting vehicle prices. Oh, yeah. And those vehicles coming from China are also very subsidized. And so just with regard to the heavy tariffs placed
on chinese imports um what do you think is the best course of action what's your opinion should the government be involved well yeah i mean we we should not allow the importing of of chinese electric cars i mean i think we should have much heavier tariffs on chinese products um i mean we have a great american uh electric vehicle manufacturer tesla i we and that we should we should teslas should all be made here they make a lot of teslas in china unfortunately but they should be made here
Right. Just as a follow up, do you think that maybe placing heavy subsidies could kind of subsidies or tariffs? Sorry, tariffs. That's correct.
Because we do subsidize, too. Yes. Which I'm not in favor of. But the tariffs are they could be called a subsidy, but they're technically not.
Right. Do you think there's a space for some innovation in the American market so they could reduce their prices?
Yeah, that's a good question. Probably. But I mean, we've seen the electric vehicle mandate done by Biden. It was a complete disaster. The big three auto manufacturers have not been able to compete with Tesla on the electric vehicle front, even with even with a fair amount of low tariffs on Chinese imports. OK, thank you. Thank you. Appreciate it.
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Yeah, I just have a question kind of based on affirmative action. I'm a computer engineer here at UW-Madison. I'm about to graduate. And there's a lot that I've found through research and just general – I guess my studies, not only does affirmative action like help minorities, people of color, but also women in general.
And there's a lot of facets of engineering, the medical system and other factors that because of affirmative action have helped. I'll just go into something, for example, let's say like in the medical field, endometriosis, something like that has not been studied in women due to so little women being in the medical field.
Also, for example, like cars, the seatbelt is made especially for the male body. They're only tested with male mannequins. So a lot of women are in risk of dying in car crashes at a higher rate. There's a lot of things that benefit from a diverse group of people, both in engineering and medical fields and education and other facets of the systems.
opinions yeah no i mean just have a meritocracy right so you have three white men around you you can see one two three so if one supports affirmative no it's okay if one supports affirmative action right it would mean that you would be okay turning to those three men and saying i deserve the position more than you based on something that doesn't matter more than necessarily i feel like that's one facet of it that we're not also paying attention to is that people that are graduating are graduating from the same schools they're graduating with the same degrees with lower test scores though much lower
Every study affirmative action, for example, the Harvard case, showed that it was nearly 40% lower test scores for people of color versus their white male counterparts and Asian counterparts.
And so at some point... Is that like... Why would that happen?
Why? Yeah. What causes that?
Do you think it's just because people of color are more stupid?
No, of course not. People of color come from lower socioeconomic backgrounds that don't prioritize education.
So how do we fix those socioeconomic statuses?
That's an interesting point. Not should we try to... penalize white males that are competent to go run our systems and our institutions. So those are two different things. So what we're doing is our institutions are now becoming less excellent
Our country is not working like it used to because we basically told people that are very qualified and very competent that, sorry, we're not going to put a position for you here. For example, the U.S. Secret Service. Let me just give you one example. OK, we can all agree that protecting a president, whether it's Donald Trump or Kamala Harris, is super important. Right.
But now the Secret Service has said that we want to have 30 percent of all our agents be women, which, by the way, they have lower fitness criteria. So they have less pull-ups, less push-ups, slower mile time.
But yeah, that's something that's due to like your... Hold on.
Exactly. Yeah, no, no. But this is affirmative action, right? And so therefore when... Well, there's like fields.
I don't think that's a good... One second, one second. I just don't think that's a good example because like women will never be as strong as men, at least genetically.
That's an interesting question. So I think it should be something that's more like... Will women be as good at engineering as men person for person? Not necessarily, but... Okay, well then, how is that different than the Secret Service example? Well, the problem is that... Because the male mind is wired differently than the female mind.
By the way, men will never be as good... Hold on, I'll prove it to you. Men will never be as good at counseling or psychology sessions as women. Men will never be good at nursing or elementary school education as women. Okay. We have certain giftings as our brain is wider a certain way. Women are far better gifted at micro topics.
So individual connection, empathetic type conversations, healing people that are past trauma and wound. Men are much better at macro topics, right? Trying to build a building, put a skyscraper up, trying to talk geopolitics. And I'll prove it to you. When you go and you see five women eating lunch, they're probably talking about micro topics. conversations they had, relationships, friendships.
Men, they're talking about politics, sports, or the stock market.
That's not necessarily true.
Oh, yes. You guys all agree, right?
I mean, there's a reason I'm here.
These are bimodal general truths, right? Of course there's exceptions.
It's not a general truth, though. I feel like women have the capability of having political conversations.
Of course they do, but it's not the general wiring or nature of women.
There's no wiring for your brain to like Donald Trump. That's not a real thing.
Wait a second. But do you think that men and women are made different in our brains?
Certain things, but not necessarily. It doesn't like channel you to be a specific thing.
Like what things?
Well, like there's like specific wirings to, you know, like produce certain types of hormones. And that's like differences that are genetically.
So you don't think that men are more likely to like contact sports, more likely to enjoy football, UFC, hunting?
I think that's because of a societal norm in general. Well, over a lot of time.
No, come on. You're smarter than that. That's not true. Hold on.
So why is it that— There's women that play football. So you can't just say that.
Of course. Yeah. So that's an example of women that don't do that. And there are men that dress in drag, but those are not the general truth of it. So let me just be clear. You think that there's nothing within the female brain in its constitution that makes young ladies more likely— I mean, being that I'm an engineer, I don't think so.
No. Yeah.
Really?
Yeah, I don't.
I mean, I feel like there's... So you think if you pick a random lady here that they'd be just as comfortable sitting and watching a four-hour football game than they were to go get their hair done with their best girlfriend?
Well, I feel like that's kind of diminishing to say, oh, because you're a woman, you will not be able to sit through a four-hour football field.
Is it diminishing to say a man wouldn't want to go get his hair done? No.
No, I'm sure you get your hair done, right?
Not really. It's like 10 minutes in and out, like barbershop.
Okay, but you still do it.
But the point, again, there are certain things that women will take more. For example, women will take a lot longer getting ready for the day than men.
Yeah.
Right? Why?
Because we're held to higher standards to look pretty.
No, no, no, no.
For example, your hair. How short is your hair? It's super short. Mine, it's going to take longer to dry. Do you wear makeup? Yeah.
Why?
Because you want to look pretty and it takes... Yeah, that's not important to me because I'm a man. Oh, right. But who made you feel that way?
But there's something in your wiring.
But you feel comfortable not wearing makeup because of a certain reason.
But you wouldn't feel comfortable wearing makeup?
I can not wear makeup.
But why do you do it?
I mean, like right now I'm not wearing like anything really.
No, I know. But that's the point is that at some point you wear makeup because there's something within your wiring that says I want to be presentable to the world. And that wiring honestly is I want to find a mate to have children.
I mean, this question was about affirmative action. No, no, no.
It's not actually really important because I don't think there's any differences between races. But I think that when it comes to affirmative action, we're saying that there are differences.
Right.
That we're trying to say that things that don't matter should matter. So I don't think race matters.
Affirmed Action says race does matter. What about women also in fields like that? What I explained earlier.
I think that's even more dangerous, to be honest with you. If we're going to say that women should be Secret Service agents protecting Trump.
Not Secret Service. I'm talking about medicine, engineering, that type of thing.
Well, hold on. Okay, so should we try to have the same amount of female to male OBGYNs?
I think it should be similar to the amount of the general population.
Hold on. 85% of all OBGYNs are female.
Yeah.
So now should we have parity so that men.
I have an OBGYN that's a man. That's not a problem.
That's not the point. The point is, should we have parity?
I think it should be similar to like whatever.
So you're consistent. So women studying in the OBGYN field will be actively discriminated against. So a man can because we must have parity.
It's not about people in the OBGYN specifically. It's about people in general. Men were like, for example, women were not able to vote until like less than like 100 years ago, basically. Right.
What does that have to do with.
One second. So because of that, a lot of the laws, a lot of everything that's set in place was made by men, was excluding women, was creating like reforms and like certain legislations that would specifically, you know. Support men rather than women because women don't have that ability.
Or support society. I don't think it was always just about supporting men.
Well, for example, like what I brought up, endometriosis or like the C-bill accident. Like all this stuff is due because we tend to favor men in specific.
So I just don't believe that, first of all, because research will go where the money is. And so was there money in endometriosis research?
Not much because that's why.
So maybe it wasn't sexism. Maybe it was a monetary explanation.
Well, who has like who has the money in a society?
Actually, women control more money than men in the country.
Women weren't able like women weren't able to have bank accounts until like less than 100 years ago. So they can't really like, you know, build a generational wealth.
Do you think it's been a better thing with women's liberation the last 20, 30 years?
Yeah, I would.
That's interesting. Do you think women are happier in America today than they were 30 years ago?
Yeah.
Then why are they the most depressed group in the history of the species?
Because we have these like legislations that don't allow us to go into certain.
Women are the most suicidal, addicted to antidepressants.
I thought it was men.
No, no, no. Women are far more suicidal. Men are more successful in committing suicide. Big difference. When men commit suicide, they're much better at it. Women have far more suicidal ideation than men.
Okay.
But why is it that with women being liberated the last 50 years, women are the most miserable they've ever been? Like, why is that?
I don't think that's because we're allowed to have money.
No, I'm asking. I'm asking the answer. But it's like more liberation, more college degrees, more birth control, less marriage, less kids.
I would argue otherwise. I don't know where you got that data.
Everybody agrees that women are super miserable versus 30 years ago.
Well, it could be the fact that because women weren't able to go to a psychologist or before.
Or maybe it's because they're not doing the one thing that they want to do, which is to get married and have children. I don't know.
Yeah, she's saying that. No, it's actually opposite. It's saying that women actually, it says women around the world report higher levels of life satisfaction than men, but at the same time report more daily stress.
Yeah, so type in women antidepressant use 2024. It is the highest it has ever been.
But there's like more layers to it than that. It can't just be that. You have to look at why are women more likely to go and talk to a psychologist. There's differences in that.
So but I just I'm just curious. So do you think women are generally happier in 2024 than they were in 1964? Yes. Really?
I mean, just as a woman of color, I don't think not having rights back then would have been good.
What rights did they not have in 1964?
They weren't able to get married to a white man. I'm in an interracial relationship. I'm dating a white man. If I was back then, I would never be with the love of my life. I feel like that's one point. Because you're not allowed to marry black. Black people are not allowed to marry white people back then.
Where? Before 1964.
Where? Where? In America.
No, that was outlawed in 1918.
It wasn't 1919. It was happening still until 1964. Also, banks were specifically not allowing black people to own homes back then. They could just turn them away.
Well, first of all, they were able to own homes. You're talking about redlining, which is a completely different thing.
Well, they could. I'm curious, though. At some point, 1967? Yeah. That's when interracial marriage was finally brought here.
Yes, in the last state, which was where?
Okay, but that's crazy still. I would not be able to be with... You asked me the question, as a woman, would you be happier back then? No, I wouldn't because I couldn't be with the love of my life.
I think it's shocking.
We are seeing the most... So things like that is what is important to show.
No, it's amazing. If you think women and people are happier today than they were 50 or 60 years ago, It's remarkable. It's just objectively not true.
Well, just by that fact that I would be able to marry someone that I love is, I think, a great point.
1967?
No, that's when it was finally, like, made, like, law. So before that, like... In every state. Like, in every state. I'm pretty sure that's when it was the last one.
There's no way that is true.
They just looked it up. They just showed me it.
There's no way it's true in every state. I don't know what to tell you.
That's just what it shows.
Well, you can't just say that's not true and just say, oh, like you're trying to tell me in the state of Wisconsin, you could not interracially marry in 1964.
You couldn't. I'm pretty sure in Wisconsin you couldn't.
Is that right? I mean, I think that's. Yeah, it's just like that's not even close to be true. Yeah, I'm sure there were some southern states where it might have been true.
Well, now we're avoiding it.
Yeah, but no. OK, so affirmative action. Let me ask you a question. What should matter more, race or merit?
Oh, okay.
So what should matter more, race or merit?
I don't think it's based on, like, a little bit of both, yes.
Why should race matter?
Well, my initial point was that because of not having, like, people, you know, of certain races or certain genders, like, be here and working in engineering and stuff like that, we have not been able to, like, research into certain things that would benefit those people.
Do you think there's any risk that we might have institutions that aren't as excellent?
No. I mean, I don't know like how.
So let me let me play this out. And then this will be my last question. If you are boarding an airplane and your pilot introduces herself, she says, I'm a pilot. I'm a black woman. I graduated last my class, but I'm here because of diversity. How would you feel?
She's here because she passed the pilot test. She passed. She went through that schooling. She went through everything. I wouldn't be worried about that.
If your heart surgeon showed up and said, hey... You have to have certifications.
They won't let you just operate on someone without certifications.
As I say, every time affirmative action is employed, standards go down. Every single example. Every example. From Harvard to the UC system, there is not a single example where affirmative action is employed and standards are not brought down.
I wouldn't say that, but...
Okay, thank you very much.
I just had the question of how would you want to fix that?
There's no problem to fix. Pure meritocracy.
No, I'm just saying like how do you bring people with diverse opinions?
Oh, yeah. I mean like I don't care that much about – I care about excellence.
So like women – I don't care about putting women in STEM. I care about being a strong – No, I'm talking about like being able to look into those type of things. Like endometriosis, like all this stuff. How do we make that safer for other people? Without bringing people that care about it.
Not that important to me. I want the country once had, which was the greatest country ever, where we put excellence and we put superior intellect above like sensitive racial politics. Not interesting to me because it was a bunch of white men that were like running the country.
And all of a sudden we've decided that's a bad thing.
I'm just like, that's fine. I mean, but when we used to have a country that was based on merit, we were more successful and we were a better run country and we're objectively not now. I'm just saying that in engineering, we can't even protect a president from getting shot.
Yeah, there's a lot of there's a lot of parts in engineering that because we don't have a diverse look of opinions and we are putting them like we're putting certain people into more danger, like women in cars. That's like one example.
OK, thank you.
That's OK.
No.
Yeah, I was going to say.
I can't.
Yeah, well, you lied to get a hat. That shows your character.
I didn't lie. I said I would wear it. You said if you wear it.
I said only if you vote, but that's fine. All right, next question. Thanks so much for listening, everybody. Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com. Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.
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