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Trump says US to 'takeover' and 'own' Gaza

Wed, 05 Feb 2025

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President Trump says the US to 'takeover' Gaza. His comments have caused anger and dismay across the region and beyond. Also: the first glimpse inside a burnt scroll after 2,000 years.

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3.877 - 23.463 Janet Jalil

This is the Global News Podcast from the BBC World Service. I'm Janet Jalil and at 14 hours GMT on Wednesday the 5th of February, these are our main stories. Donald Trump's declaration that the US will take over Gaza sparks widespread condemnation. We'll have reaction from around the world.

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24.263 - 32.606 Janet Jalil

Lawmakers in the Philippines vote to impeach the Vice President, Sarah Duterte, following complaints about alleged corruption and an assassination threat.

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35.738 - 46.548 Aga Khan

Also in this podcast... The enormous responsibility which had come to me. I didn't feel prepared for it. It was a very, very heavy burden to take over from a man of such status as my grandfather.

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47.409 - 71.531 Janet Jalil

We look back on the life of the billionaire spiritual leader, the Aga Khan, who has died at the age of 88. There's been widespread condemnation of Donald Trump's plan for the US to take over Gaza and move out the Palestinians living there so that he can, in his words, turn it into the Riviera of the Middle East.

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72.171 - 90.342 Janet Jalil

Mr Trump made the announcement at a joint news conference with the Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. saying he thought Jordan and Egypt would take in the more than two million Palestinians who currently live in Gaza. This despite their previous statements refuting the idea when he first floated it last month.

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91.062 - 98.824 Janet Jalil

At the White House news conference, Mr Trump put forward his vision for how Gaza, much of which lies in ruins, should be rebuilt.

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99.365 - 117.437 Donald Trump

The only reason the Palestinians want to go back to Gaza is they have no alternative option. It's right now a demolition site. They can live out their lives in peace and harmony instead of having to go back and do it again. The U.S. will take over the Gaza Strip, and we will do a job with it, too.

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118.137 - 129.525 Donald Trump

We'll own it and be responsible for dismantling all of the dangerous unexploded bombs and other weapons on the site, level the site, and get rid of the destroyed buildings.

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130.529 - 153.761 Janet Jalil

Mr Trump's plan to occupy Gaza seems to amount to an abandonment of decades of US policy to find a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Mr Netanyahu praised it as an idea worth paying attention to, calling Mr Trump the greatest friend Israel has ever had in the White House. But these Palestinians in Gaza said they would resist any attempt to remove them.

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158.705 - 170.457 Palestinian Resident

We reject the decision to displace the Palestinians from Gaza and Palestine. We'll not leave our land. As for me, I'll not leave Gaza. None of us will leave our country and we'll not kneel to anyone.

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172.598 - 188.049 Palestinian Resident

We were surprised by Trump's decision to displace the entire Gaza Strip to Egypt and Jordan, and we categorically reject this decision. We refused to leave Gaza during the war, and we are staying here. We will not leave at all.

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188.962 - 193.864 Janet Jalil

I got more on the Palestinian and Israeli reaction from our Middle East correspondent, Yolanda Nell.

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194.244 - 208.33 Yolande Nell

Well, we had a senior Israeli official being quoted in the news this morning saying that this visit surpassed all of our expectations and dreams. Trump raised ingenious solutions to problems that have been with Israel ever since it was established.

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208.83 - 229.729 Yolande Nell

The conventional wisdom prior to Mr. Netanyahu going to Washington for this trip was that President Trump might well try to push this idea of paving the way for an independent Palestinian state because the U.S. has been working very much on trying to get a normalization deal between Israel and Saudi Arabia.

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230.409 - 248.636 Yolande Nell

On the far right in Israel, you have the key political figure, Itamar Ben-Gavir, really welcoming this proposal to remove Palestinians from Gaza and rebuild it, saying that if the prime minister was going to act on that plan, then the chances were good that he would rejoin his coalition government.

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249.056 - 261.391 Janet Jalil

This statement from Donald Trump comes as negotiations are beginning for the second phase of the Gaza ceasefire. Are people not worried about the impact that his words could have on their hopes of securing the release of the hostages?

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261.792 - 275.745 Yolande Nell

Certainly, the families of the hostages who remain in Gaza worry that this could undermine negotiations. The existing ceasefire, which is bringing some of their loved ones home, and these discussions now taking place on the next stage.

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276.305 - 290.616 Yolande Nell

And just to remind people that the second stage of the ceasefire is supposed to see a full end to the fighting in Gaza, and the remaining Israeli hostages, about 60 of them, not all of whom are alive, being returned.

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290.877 - 296.481 Janet Jalil

And evidently, this is yet more bad news for Palestinians who have suffered so much.

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296.761 - 317.635 Yolande Nell

Yeah, so we had, you know, Palestinians in general sort of expressing bewilderment at all of this and saying, you know, not only does it upend decades of international policy, they question its legality under international law. They believe this is a fundamental sort of misunderstanding of their connection to the land and indeed, you know,

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318.015 - 337.239 Yolande Nell

It's competing claims to the land that is at the heart of the decades-old Israel-Palestinian conflict. And we've had Hamas also speaking very strongly against this, as you would expect. One figure, Sami Abu Zuhri, saying this was ridiculous and absurd, what's been put on the table. Ideas of this kind, he said, were capable of igniting the region.

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337.279 - 347.101 Yolande Nell

And that is something that is reflected actually quite widely, this idea that this could cause broader instability in the region if President Trump presses ahead with it.

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348.26 - 357.665 Janet Jalil

Yolande Nell in Jerusalem. So what's the reaction been in the U.S. itself to Donald Trump's plan? Dennis Ross is former U.S. ambassador to Israel.

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358.146 - 372.834 Will Ross

Very clear that one of the things he wants to do is kind of create a whole new reality by challenging the conventional wisdom. You could say he has done that, but he still has to have Arab states who are prepared to go along. And this is clearly very difficult.

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373.254 - 392.926 Will Ross

for Arab states to go along, because whether he intends it this way, and I'm not sure that he does, I really think he seems to intend this more as we're going to transform an area, a land area that has always been impoverished. It's a real estate building problem. It's not a political problem. The problem, I think, for President Trump is that in the region, it's looked at as a political issue.

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393.886 - 396.928 Janet Jalil

With more reaction, here's CBS correspondent Naomi Ruckam.

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397.561 - 422.795 Naomi Ruckam

Most analysts and expert we were hearing from this morning believe this entire plan of a U.S. takeover of Gaza is just not based in reality to begin with. So we can start with that. In a word, it is shock across the country. There are very few concrete details to the proposal so far. And there has been a lot of shock and pushback from Arab nations, allies and, yes, local politicians.

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423.495 - 442.391 Naomi Ruckam

Even fellow Republicans are skeptical. especially given their general reluctance for American resources to be used in foreign conflicts. Senator Lindsey Graham, for example, said that most people in his district would not be excited about sending Americans over to Gaza, but that he'd keep an open mind.

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443.071 - 451.879 Naomi Ruckam

And Democratic Senator Chris Murphy of Connecticut simply said he believes the president has completely lost it, calling the plan sick.

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453.004 - 473.389 Janet Jalil

Naomi Ruckerman, it's not just in the US. Turkey has called Mr Trump's Gaza plan unacceptable. Brazil's President Lula said it made no sense. France and Germany said expelling Gazans would be contrary to international law. The UN's Chief of Human Rights, Volker Turk, said any deportation of people from occupied territory was strictly prohibited.

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473.869 - 478.35 Janet Jalil

And the British Foreign Secretary, David Lamy, said there had to be a two-state solution.

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478.97 - 500.332 David Lamy

We've always been clear in our belief that we must see two states, we must see Palestinians able to live and prosper in their homelands, in Gaza, in the West Bank. That is what we want to get to.

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501.758 - 522.347 Janet Jalil

Saudi Arabia has led the condemnation in the Arab world amid fears the plans could further destabilise the Middle East. Mr Trump has criticised previous US presidents for sending troops into Afghanistan and Iraq. But since being re-elected, he has talked about the United States taking over Canada, Greenland, the Panama Canal and now Gaza.

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522.707 - 525.869 Janet Jalil

Here's the BBC's chief international correspondent, Lise Doucette.

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526.445 - 547.803 Lise Doucette

Well, the last thing that countries in the region want is more instability. And I can imagine they are now reeling from this latest proposal from President Trump. It was so startling that Saudi Arabia felt that it had to release a press statement in the middle of the night saying,

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548.163 - 566.625 Lise Doucette

when it heard President Trump saying to questions, well, that Saudi Arabia wouldn't insist on a Palestinian state for a normalization deal. Its statement absolutely underlined, and I heard it myself when I was in Riyadh in January, that unless there is a pathway to a Palestinian state,

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567.145 - 584.314 Lise Doucette

They will not engage with the Israelis and the Americans on that normalization deal that the Abraham Accords, as it was called in President Trump's first term, that is also on President Trump's mind. The King Abdullah of Jordan will be the next leader from the region to see President Trump face to face.

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584.814 - 607.807 Lise Doucette

No doubt he will make clear his views and they will be the same views, Jonath, that he made clear. I remember so clearly that in President Trump's first term, that even before he was invited, King Abdullah of Jordan flew to Washington to see President Trump. That is how crucial it is for Jordan that there not be the kind of measures that President Trump is talking about now.

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608.687 - 628.377 Lise Doucette

moving what would be forcibly displacing. President Trump says, oh, they wouldn't be forced, but there is a sense in which there's going to be a temporary shift of Palestinians. That would be destabilizing for Jordan, destabilizing for Egypt. We haven't heard a statement yet in response to President Trump's latest intervention, but at the weekend.

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629.037 - 642.464 Lise Doucette

A number of Arab leaders, all of whom are expected to play a role in this fragile Gaza ceasefire, is that they reject any moves to forcibly remove Palestinians from Gaza.

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642.945 - 659.478 Janet Jalil

But it seems that Mr. Trump thinks he can force Palestinians. Jordan and Egypt, which have already expressed their opposition to such a move, to do this. And it's not only stunning what he said, but it's also shocking that he's so vague in talking about something that could potentially uproot so many lives.

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660.691 - 681.932 Lise Doucette

This is the big question now. What we have seen is how President Trump prides himself on his transactional approach to dealmaking. He started his second term talking about being a peacemaker. But what we have seen in the first term, it's very much in the sort of a property developer that he is real estate man. You give me this and I'll give you that.

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682.512 - 691.855 Lise Doucette

Jordan and Egypt are so dependent on the United States for aid, they don't really have much to give in return. But the wealthy Gulf states do, and that's where the bargaining may be.

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693.095 - 710.3 Janet Jalil

Lise Doucette, turning now to other news. Lawmakers in the Philippines have voted to impeach the vice president. Sara Duterte has been accused of misusing millions of dollars in public funds and of threatening President Ferdinand Marcos with assassination. Vicky Bristow reports.

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710.905 - 723.39 Mickey Bristow

For several weeks, there have been petitions in the Philippines calling for the impeachment of Ms Duterte, the daughter of the controversial former President Rodrigo Duterte. On Wednesday, the lower house of Congress decided to look at the issue.

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Impeachment complaint against Vice President Sara Z. Duterte.

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728.871 - 751.603 Mickey Bristow

The Vice President has been accused of misusing public funds. She also made the extraordinary claim that she'd arranged for a hitman to kill the President, Ferdinand Marcos, if she herself was killed. Some see the impeachment as part of the ongoing feud between Mr Marcos and the Vice President. The pair were allies at the last election, but have since had a very public falling out.

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752.065 - 771.275 Mickey Bristow

having been filed by more than one-third of the membership of the House... In the end, legislators endorsed the motion to impeach and applauded the decision. The Philippine Senate will now decide Ms Duterte's fate at a date yet to be fixed. The outcome is uncertain.

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772.372 - 797.058 Janet Jalil

Mickey Bristow, the billionaire spiritual leader of the Ismaili Muslims, the Aga Khan, has died in Portugal. He was 88. For more than 60 years, he was the hereditary imam of the 15 million strong branch of Shia Islam. His followers saw him as a direct descendant of the Prophet Muhammad. He was known for his love of horse racing, his dazzling wealth and his development work around the world.

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797.518 - 814.051 Doreen Walton

Doreen Walton looks back at his life. Kareem Aga Khan IV was a religious leader who governed no territory but owned numerous estates, houses, farms, a private island, a jet and hundreds of racehorses, including the 1981 Derby winner Shergar.

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814.452 - 822.279 Horse Racing Commentator

There's only one horse in it. You need a telescope to see the rest. They have a column to go and Shergar is galloping them into the ground.

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822.859 - 830.462 Horse Racing Commentator

The ease with which that horse moved. During the finishing straight, he just kept going away, going away, going away. That was remarkable.

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831.222 - 853.691 Doreen Walton

Shergar was kidnapped by gunmen in Ireland two years later and never seen again. The Aga Khan inherited his title at the age of 20 and while studying at Harvard. The title skipped a generation. His father was renowned for being something of a playboy, although the old Aga Khan had said he wanted his successor to be of the modern world. The new prince told the BBC of his feelings at his appointment.

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854.264 - 873.64 Aga Khan

The first one was the enormous responsibility which had come to me. I didn't feel prepared for it. It was a very, very heavy burden to take over from a man of such status as my grandfather. Had you in fact known before that evening that you were going to carry this burden? No, I didn't. No, I had no idea about that.

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874.468 - 899.9 Doreen Walton

The Aga Khan was a competitive downhill skier representing Iran in the 1964 Olympics. He dismissed criticism that he was westernised. As a young man, he told the BBC he preferred ballet or theatre to nightclubs, although he might go occasionally. He was shy of publicity about his private life. A ten-year legal battle with his second wife over a €60 million divorce made headlines he did not relish.

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900.72 - 916.052 Doreen Walton

The Aga Khan could pull strings at the highest levels. When, in 1972, people of South Asian origin were expelled from Uganda, the Aga Khan called his friend, the then Prime Minister of Canada, Pierre Trudeau, and asked him to do something.

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916.312 - 930.897 Aga Khan

My close ties with Canada go back almost four decades, to the time when many thousands of Asian refugees from Uganda, including many Ismailis... were welcomed so generously in this society.

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931.878 - 935.14 Doreen Walton

He was once asked if the Ismaili community worshipped him.

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935.661 - 950.834 Aga Khan

No, they certainly don't. For any Muslim, it would be about the greatest sin you could do. You ought to remember what the Quran says about this.

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951.61 - 965.943 Doreen Walton

Ismailis follow a branch of Shia Islam. They regard the Aga Khan as a direct descendant of the Prophet Muhammad. Most of his wealth came from tithes or voluntary cash donations by community members, but much of it went to charitable causes.

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970.515 - 985.827 Doreen Walton

A surrender class in the Aga Khan Music School in Kabul, helping ensure Afghanistan's cultural traditions are continued, part of what the Aga Khan may best be remembered for, his development network. Khufran Umar is one of the young musicians.

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991.322 - 996.865 Palestinian Resident

It is my country's own instrument. It's my country's music. I'm learning it because it's good for our future.

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1002.408 - 1011.433 Doreen Walton

The Aga Khan Development Network runs hundreds of hospitals and education, cultural and economic projects, mainly in low- and middle-income countries.

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1015.436 - 1017.417 Janet Jalil

That report by Doreen Walton.

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1020.763 - 1031.366 Stephen Parsons

Still to come... This might be the most exciting Herculaneum scroll we've ever scanned. We're confident we will be able to read pretty much the scroll in its entirety is what it looks like we're going to be able to do.

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1033.106 - 1063.953 Janet Jalil

A 2,000-year-old scroll that was too frail to open after being burnt in the volcanic eruption of Mount Vesuvius has been digitally unwrapped. Police in Sweden are continuing to investigate what's been described as the deadliest mass shooting in the country's history. Ten people were killed and six others were wounded by a gunman at an adult education centre in the city of Örebro on Tuesday.

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1064.533 - 1067.917 Janet Jalil

This student, Marwa, described how she tried to help the victims.

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1068.577 - 1070.679 Marwa

A guy next to me got shot in the shoulder.

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1071.471 - 1098.517 Marwa

A guy next to me was shot in the shoulder. He was bleeding a lot. When I looked behind me, I saw three people on the floor bleeding. Everyone was shocked. They said, go out, get out. My friend and I tried to save the life of this person. But people were very shocked. The police were not on site and neither was the ambulance. So we had to help.

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1100.117 - 1109.446 Janet Jalil

Police say the attacker is also dead and that he acted alone as they try to establish his motive. Our correspondent Nick Beek is at the site of the shooting in Ouroboru.

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1109.967 - 1134.103 Nick Miles

We've just arrived at the school complex. It's a big site with lots of different schools. What happened yesterday was that one particular centre that was for adult learning was the epicentre of this attack. And this morning, I'm just looking, there are still lots of police here. Flowers and candles have been left and a few of them are alight at the moment. Lots and lots of press as well.

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1134.844 - 1156.835 Nick Miles

There is this vacuum of information at the moment because we haven't really learnt a huge amount in the past 12 hours. The police are saying that they haven't named the attacker yet. They do say that he is among the 11 people dead. The police are also saying that they believe he acted alone, didn't seem to be part of a gang. Detectives say they don't believe this was an act of terror.

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1157.335 - 1170.223 Nick Miles

Swedish media reporting that this was a 35-year-old man, the perpetrator, who's described as a local recluse and someone who legally had a gun. But worth stressing, this is unconfirmed for now.

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1170.706 - 1179.39 Janet Jalil

And do we have any idea why he might have targeted this particular school, a school for adults? Do we have any information about the victims?

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1179.91 - 1202.442 Nick Miles

No, we don't. So no information about their backgrounds, who they were, whether this was a targeted or random in terms of the classroom and locations within the complex that the gunman chose. This is a centre which, like others here in Sweden... are for people who haven't finished their secondary school education, so people typically 20 years old and above.

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1202.842 - 1225.938 Nick Miles

Within that, you do see a lot of people who arrive in Sweden who learn the language and further their studies, but there's no suggestion at the moment, no evidence, that this was a central part of the gunman's thinking. But clearly, along with lots of other things, it's something that detectives will be looking at, and there are reports that they searched the gunman's house yesterday.

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1226.478 - 1233.885 Janet Jalil

And a huge sense of shock in Sweden at this killing, which has been described as the deadliest mass shooting in Sweden's history.

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1234.105 - 1259.445 Nick Miles

That's right. The prime minister, Ulf Kristersen, said it was an act of brutal and lethal violence, saying that it was difficult to take in the magnitude of what had happened. And I think for Swedes this morning, it's something which clearly has shocked so many people. The flags are at half-mast. But it is something that is very, very rare, this sort of school shooting. The number's dead.

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1259.505 - 1280.799 Nick Miles

It's unprecedented. It does, though, come within the context of growing violence, it would seem, within the country. Because just last week, the Prime Minister admitted the government had basically lost control over a spiralling wave of violence... Worth pointing out, this is specifically linked to gang violence, and we've seen a lot of bombings last month.

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1281.019 - 1288.144 Nick Miles

Actually, it averaged about one a month, different rival gangs targeting each other with bombs and other sort of attacks.

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1289.488 - 1312.579 Janet Jalil

Nick Beek in Sweden. What's thought to be the first United States military deportation flight to India has landed in Punjab, carrying about 100 Indians who'd entered the US illegally or overstayed visas. President Trump has made the mass deportation of undocumented foreign nationals a key policy pledge. Samira Hussain reports from Amritsar.

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1313.089 - 1333.86 Samira Hussain

The Indian nationals aboard the US military aircraft are believed to have entered the United States illegally. Once processed by the Indian government, they will board buses and be sent back to their home states. Deportation flights are not new, but this may be the first time a US military aircraft was used to return individuals to India.

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1334.64 - 1344.298 Samira Hussain

India's Prime Minister Narendra Modi and US President Donald Trump enjoy a friendly relationship. But illegal immigration could become a contentious issue between the two.

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1345.097 - 1368.087 Janet Jalil

Samira Hussain, historic buildings in the Iraqi city of Mosul, including churches and mosques, are being reopened after years of reconstruction in the aftermath of the devastation wrought by the so-called Islamic State. The fierce battle to defeat and drive the group from the city ended in 2017. The project began a year later in Mosul. It has been organised and funded by UNESCO.

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1368.547 - 1371.168 Janet Jalil

Our Middle East regional editor, Sebastian Usher, reports.

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1375.444 - 1386.032 Sebastian Usher

The bells of Altahera Church ring out across Mosul, a symbol of the rebirth of the old city that was left devastated eight years ago after the battle to drive ISIS out.

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1389.675 - 1410.444 Ali Al-Baroudi

It was like a ghost town, dead bodies around, sickening smell and horrible scenes of the city and the skyline without the Hadba Minaret. The cityscape is full of rubble And the River of Tigris, one of the most joyous places around town.

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1410.944 - 1430.655 Sebastian Usher

A Mosul photographer, Ali Al-Baroudi, recalls the horror that greeted him when he first entered the old city shortly after the street-by-street battle was over in 2017, with the gloriously skewed Al-Hadba minaret, known as the hunchback that had been emblematic of Mosul for hundreds of years, in ruins.

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1431.116 - 1445.125 Ali Al-Baroudi

It was not the city that we knew. It was like a metamorphosis. of not even, we never imagined that, not even in our worst nightmares.

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1445.145 - 1461.654 Sebastian Usher

80% of the old city of Mosul and the West Bank of the Tigris was destroyed. It was not just the churches, mosques and old houses that needed to be repaired, but the community spirit of those who'd lived there for so long in relative harmony between religions and ethnicities.

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1466.468 - 1480.957 Sebastian Usher

A year later, the huge task of rebuilding began under the auspices of UNESCO, with a budget of $115 million that the UN Cultural Agency had managed to drum up, much of it from the UAE and the European Union.

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1482.158 - 1494.485 Sebastian Usher

Father Olivier Poquillon, a Dominican priest, returned to Mosul to help oversee the restoration of the convent of Notre-Dame-de-L'Heure, known locally as Alsace, which was founded nearly 200 years ago.

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1495.734 - 1521.23 Father Olivier Poquillon

We started by the beginning, trying first to gather a team, a team composed of people from old Mosul, from different denominations, Christians, Muslims, working all together. That was the first challenge we had to face. And that was probably the greatest achievement. Because if you want to rebuild a building, you've got first to rebuild trust.

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1521.79 - 1534.221 Sebastian Usher

In charge of the entire project, which included the restoration of 124 old houses, has been the architect Maria Rita Acatoso, who came to Mosul straight from restoration work for UNESCO in Afghanistan.

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1534.881 - 1545.29 Maria Rita Acatoso

I hope the reconstruction can bring back hope in the affected communities and can favour the recovery of their cultural identity and memories.

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1545.598 - 1562.946 Sebastian Usher

Eight years on, the major landmarks of Mosul are restored. The wriggling minaret of al-Hadba, the convent, the church of al-Tahira and the complex of al-Nuri Mosque. And people have been able to return to the houses that have in some cases been home to their families for centuries.

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1563.427 - 1583.544 Mosul Resident

My house was built in 1864. Unfortunately, my house was destroyed partially during the Mosul Parole Liberation and it was unsuitable to live, especially with my children. So I decided to move to my parents' house. I was very pleased and excited to see my house rebuilt again.

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1583.825 - 1596.572 Sebastian Usher

The scars of what the people of Mosul endured are yet to heal, just as much of Iraq remains in a fragile state. But the rebirth from the rubble of the old city represents hope for a better future.

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1597.892 - 1617.857 Janet Jalil

That report by Sebastian Usher. A study suggests that banning the use of mobile phones in schools does not lead to pupils getting higher grades or having better mental health. Instead, researchers in Britain found that it was the amount of time spent on smartphones and social media that had an impact. Bramwyn Jeffries reports.

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The researchers compared the habits of more than 1,200 teenagers in 20 schools which banned smartphones, with 10 that allowed some use at break times. They found modest differences in the use of phones, but none in measures of mental well-being, anxiety and depression. Grades in maths and English appeared to be the same.

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This study suggests that regardless of what schools do, the biggest impact comes from how teenagers use smartphones... in their spare time. Branwen Jeffries.

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1651.175 - 1670.894 Janet Jalil

X-ray scans and artificial intelligence have been used to reveal the contents of an ancient, badly burnt scroll from the Roman town of Herculaneum. The document was charred by the volcanic eruption of Mount Vesuvius nearly 2,000 years ago, meaning it would have been destroyed by any attempt to physically unroll it. Our science editor, Rebecca Murrell, has more.

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1671.374 - 1691.69 Rebecca Morrell

The ancient scroll held by the Bodleian Library at Oxford University was thought to be unreadable. It looks like a lump of charcoal and any attempts to prise it open would see it crumble to dust. But now scientists have turned to technology. Powerful X-ray scans have enabled the team to locate every layer inside the scroll. There are about 10 metres of tightly rolled papyrus.

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1692.111 - 1707.883 Rebecca Morrell

And AI has been used to detect any ink. The result is a digitally unrolled scroll showing columns and rows of text... with some letters clearly visible. More work is to be done to make all the text legible, but Stephen Parsons from the Vesuvius Challenge says it looks extremely promising.

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1708.123 - 1721.433 Stephen Parsons

It's still pretty early with this scroll, but so far from what we've found, this might be the most exciting Herculaneum scroll we've ever scanned. We're confident we will be able to read pretty much the scroll in its entirety, is what it looks like we're going to be able to do.

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1721.613 - 1729.078 Stephen Parsons

But by all appearances today, this will be the first scroll from Herculaneum that is virtually unwrapped in its entirety and made legible.

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1729.4 - 1739.065 Rebecca Morrell

The team believes it will be a work of Greek Epicurean philosophy, which teaches that fulfilment can be found through the pleasure of simple everyday things. Rebecca Morrell.

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1739.545 - 1762.058 Janet Jalil

Now, if you find it hard to go to sleep, this next item may help. And the secret is, no, not listening to this podcast, I hope, but wearing socks in bed. A video on TikTok from a doctor in America saying people who wear socks in bed fall asleep faster has been viewed more than three million times. Dr. Lindsay Browning is a sleep psychologist.

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1762.498 - 1778.388 Dr. Lindsay Browning

So the reality is as we fall asleep, our core body temperature needs to drop along with our melatonin. We start producing melatonin to help us feel sleepy and our core temperature, our body temperature needs to drop a bit. Now, if we are too cold or too hot, we find it harder to sleep.

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1778.968 - 1792.214 Dr. Lindsay Browning

So wearing socks in bed in the winter, especially if you're finding it hard to pay the electricity to warm your house enough, wearing socks in bed can really help with you to regulate the temperature because if you're too cold, you're not going to fall asleep.

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1792.815 - 1808.142 Dr. Lindsay Browning

But also if you wear socks, then what can happen, a small effect really, but it'll increase the vasodilation, the dilation of the blood vessels, which means there'll be more blood flowing to your extremities, which can help with that sort of that heat loss process.

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1808.582 - 1814.985 Dr. Lindsay Browning

So there is a little bit of science to suggest that wearing socks in bed might help you to speed up that sort of core body temperature drop.

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1815.606 - 1832.134 Dr. Lindsay Browning

If you make it part of your bedtime routine, for example, we all know that if you do the same kind of things before bed, if you use the same lavender pillow spray before bed, or you read the same kind of book, or you listen to the same music, doing the same thing before bed can help signal psychologically to your brain that sleep is coming.

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1833.215 - 1858.699 Janet Jalil

All good tips there, Dr. Lindsay Browning, sleep psychologist. And that's all from us for now, but there will be a new edition of the Global News Podcast later. If you want to comment on this podcast or topics covered, you can send us an email. The address is globalpodcast at bbc.co.uk. You can also find us on X at Global News Pod. This edition was mixed by Mark Pickett.

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1858.839 - 1864.361 Janet Jalil

The producer was Tracy Gordon. The editor is Karen Martin. I'm Janet Jalil. Until next time, goodbye.

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1876.741 - 1891.133 Narrator

Yoga is more than just exercise. It's the spiritual practice that millions swear by. And in 2017, Miranda, a university tutor from London, joins a yoga school that promises profound transformation.

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1891.153 - 1897.618 Miranda

It felt a really safe and welcoming space. After the yoga classes, I felt amazing.

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1898.158 - 1910.504 Narrator

But soon, that calm, welcoming atmosphere leads to something far darker, a journey that leads to allegations of grooming, trafficking and exploitation across international borders.

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1910.524 - 1921.649 Miranda

I don't have my passport, I don't have my phone, I don't have my bank cards, I have nothing. The passport being taken, the being in a house and not feeling like they can leave.

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1922.509 - 1941 Narrator

World of Secrets is where untold stories are unveiled and hidden realities are exposed. In this new series, we're confronting the dark side of the wellness industry with a hope of a spiritual breakthrough gives way to disturbing accusations. You just get sucked in so gradually.

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1942.22 - 1970.368 Miranda

And it's done so skillfully that you don't realize. And it's like this, the secret that's there. I wanted to believe that, you know, that. Whatever they were doing, even if it seemed gross to me, was for some spiritual reason that I couldn't yet understand. Revealing the hidden secrets of a global yoga network. I feel that I have no other choice.

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1970.568 - 2000.248 Miranda

The only thing I can do is to speak about this and to put my reputation and everything else on the line. I want truth and justice. And for other people to not be hurt, for things to be different in the future. To bring it into the light and almost alchemise some of that evil stuff that went on and take back the power.

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2002.869 - 2008.352 Narrator

World of Secrets, Season 6, The Bad Guru. Listen wherever you get your podcasts.

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