You probably own a chair or a table or a sofa. And you probably think you know why you bought it. Because it was comfy. Or blue. Or the right price. But what if the style, the color, the cost, maybe even whether you would like it, were choices made for you years before you even thought about buying that piece of furniture.Today on the show: The city that makes or breaks the furniture world. We travel to High Point, North Carolina and meet the people who make the bets – on whether or not you'll want that comfy blue couch.This episode was hosted by Amanda Aronczyk and Erika Beras. It was produced by James Sneed with help from Willa Rubin. It was edited by Jess Jiang, fact-checked by Sierra Juarez, and engineered by Cena Loffredo. Alex Goldmark is Planet Money's executive producer.Help support Planet Money and hear our bonus episodes by subscribing to Planet Money+ in Apple Podcasts or at plus.npr.org/planetmoney.Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoicesNPR Privacy Policy
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A few weeks ago, I was chatting with a woman named Kristen Hawkins at an awards gala in High Point, North Carolina.
Like, is this a big night? So tonight we are celebrating.
Celebrating because Kristen works at a company that is up for one of the evening's awards.
Well, I'm nervous for you. I know, my fingers are crossed. We're excited. But you know what? It's an honor to be nominated. I know that's like cliche to say, but it is, you know, the pinnacle award. So we're excited to be here.
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Chapter 2: What happens during the Pinnacle Awards in High Point?
This is where trends in furniture are born.
Hello, and welcome to Planet Money. I'm Amanda Aronchik. And I'm Erica Barris. You probably own a chair or a table or a sofa. And you probably think you know why you bought it, because it was comfy or blue or the right price.
But what if the style, the color, the cost, maybe even whether you would like it, were choices made for you years before you even thought about buying that piece of furniture?
Today on the show, the city that makes or breaks the furniture world. We travel to High Point, North Carolina and meet the people who make the bets on whether or not you'll want that comfy blue couch. There is this scene from the movie The Devil Wears Prada. Maybe you remember it. Meryl Streep is playing the role of a fashion icon and trendsetter.
And she is berating Anne Hathaway, who is dismissive of the fashion industry, dismissive of what she sees as a small difference in style. Meryl Streep looks at her and her cerulean blue sweater, and she's basically like, you don't get it.
That blue represents millions of dollars and countless jobs. And it's sort of comical how you think that you've made a choice that exempts you from the fashion industry when in fact... You're wearing a sweater that was selected for you by the people in this room.
This room, where the furniture industry makes the decisions that ripple out into showrooms and catalogs and eventually into our homes, is actually more of a small city. We are in downtown High Point.
So a little background. North Carolina and this region have been making furniture for over 100 years. But when a lot of furniture manufacturing left for Asia... High Point decided to focus on what was left. The marketing, branding, styling, staging, the fashion of furniture. And today, there are about 13 city blocks filled with properties, many of which have been converted into showrooms.
This is what makes up High Point Market.
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Chapter 3: What is High Point Market and why is it important?
We're in a massive glass and metal building. Picture a new mall with each door filled with lighting or bedding or textiles or furniture. We head up to the third floor.
We are on our way to Hooker Furniture. It is a 100-year-old company and probably one of the giants, I would say.
Hooker Furnishings. Yes, we know. Anyway, it's one of the largest and oldest furniture manufacturers in the country. Jay has arranged for us to meet a friend and client of hers named Caroline Hippel.
Caroline is a big deal in this industry. Just won an Icon Award a few nights earlier. She's the Chief Creative Officer for Hooker Furnishings.
Hi. How are you? I'm good. How are you? Let me have a hug first. Look how beautiful you look. Thank you.
Full disclosure, Caroline was not talking to me. She's talking to Jay, who's wearing this fabulous deep plum coat. Then Caroline turns to me.
Hi, and you do too. Oh, thank you so much.
Caroline, along with hundreds of people, have spent the past few months designing and displaying furniture in this enormous space.
They have set up one city block worth of sofas, side tables, lighting fixtures, all carefully staged together in vignettes. Now, the buyers here are not regular shoppers. There's no one buying a bedroom set for their home. High Point is a business-to-business market. The sellers are furniture manufacturers. Companies like Hooker Furnishings.
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Chapter 4: How do trend forecasters influence furniture design?
There's a couch, some suede chairs, and some pillows in Huckleberry. Jay's plum coat, it's actually Huckleberry.
This is the color of the season.
Even my nails are kind of that color. And yes, if you're wondering, this is a somewhat vibes-based prediction model, but As I'm looking around, seeing this color everywhere, I don't know, I kind of like it. So wait, so did I want that color?
You will want that color.
I do now. That's perfect. That's how working with someone like fashion strips works. helps us. Amanda, you're so easy. It's too much.
I know.
I'm not ashamed. Huckleberry is such a pushover. I guess Caroline was also into it. Because of Jay's predictions, Caroline and Hooker Furnishings have made a bunch of furniture in Huckleberry, as well as dusty terracotta, like those orange pots for plants, and a brassy mustard. So how did they get to these predictions?
You think about what's going on in the economics of the world, what's going on in the environment that affects how the consumer feels. And then you'll see that translated into the choices they make to furnish their home.
Jay says that during uncertain times and times of social upheaval, people are drawn to grounding colors, darker colors.
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Chapter 5: What is the significance of color trends in furniture?
We have a collection called Archives, which is for the granny millennial, the neo-traditional, and it's lacquer blue walls.
What kind of millennial?
Granny millennial.
What is that?
That is the millennials that are interested in this neo-tradition, this nostalgia for antiques.
Yes, Granny Millennial or Grand Millennial appears to have been named a few years ago.
Think millennials who are into things their grandparents might have owned, but make it more fun, like wildly floral wallpaper or a needlepoint pillow that says, slay all day. Do it for the gram.
You know, matchy-matchy is not what the neo-traditional millennial wants. They want items that evoke a feeling of the past, but make it modern.
So, for the graduating millennial, Caroline has made a bed with a big tufted headboard and a leather desk chair and a walnut veneer table. She points out the table, and it looks like my dining table, which I inherited from my actual grandmother.
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Chapter 6: How does consumer choice shape furniture manufacturing?
We predicted which rooms and things that they would like. And then we'll have a postmortem Wednesday about it. You know, what did we think was going to happen? What did happen? What do we need to change? And how do we tweak our color palette for next season and next season?
So did Caroline and Jay's predictions on Huckleberry, Granny Millennial and butterflies come true? Will these trends be in stores near you soon? That is after the break.
If you want to understand the dream scenario for furniture sellers like Hooker Furnishings, an example of why they want to be ahead of the trends and why they rely on predictions from forecasters like Jay, it's useful to look at this one pretty famous piece of furniture, the cloud couch.
The initial concept was to come up with the ultimate sofa. So we sat down as a team and said, what is the ultimate sofa? But it had to look beautiful because everything we do has to look visually strong. And it had to sit like a cloud.
The voice in this ad is the sofa's designer, Timothy Olten. He designed the couch for RH, which most people know as Restoration Hardware. It was launched back in 2015.
Now, if you don't know this couch, allow us to describe it. It looks like a big, white, fluffy cloud. It's plush. It's billowy. It's a sectional.
What else is there to say? It is the ultimate sofa.
The cloud couch has been so successful. It made all of these enormous ripples through the furniture industry. Caroline describes it as the couch that ate the world.
Jay says there are both cultural and practical reasons why this couch blew up. First, the cultural one. Jay says the couch represents the breakdown between church and state. Church being the formal living room where you were forbidden to sit versus the state, which is the den where you would actually lie around with your friends, eat snacks.
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