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Chapter 1: What is the content warning for this episode?
Something Was Wrong is intended for mature audiences. This season contains discussions of medical negligence, birth trauma, and infant loss, which may be upsetting for some listeners. For a full content warning, sources, and resources, please visit the episode notes.
Opinions shared by the guests of the show are their own and do not necessarily represent the views of myself, Broken Cycle Media, and Wondery. The podcast and any linked materials should not be misconstrued as a substitution for legal or medical advice. Origins Birth and Wellness owners and midwives Caitlin Wages and Gina Thompson have not responded to our requests for comment.
Additionally, midwives Jennifer Crawford and Elizabeth Fuel have also not returned our request for comment. This season is dedicated with love to Malik. Hey friends, thank you so much for your patience while the team and I prepared for this season's finale. And thank you to all who have reached out to share their perspectives with us this season.
Mutual respect and open dialogue is always welcome here at Something Was Wrong. From the beginning of the season, survivors have continually expressed one of the reasons they sought midwifery care to begin with was because they had poor experiences in traditional medical settings or worried about poor outcomes in a hospital due to the United States maternal health care crisis.
Therefore, I've felt since the beginning it's also important to include the reasons why survivors had valid concerns about delivering in hospital settings due to this ongoing and well-documented maternal health care crisis. The survivors' fears are shared by many Americans and backed by lots of data.
As we've heard from experts this season, the United States has significantly higher rates of maternal deaths when compared to other high-income countries. According to the CDC, in 2023, 669 maternal deaths were reported, equating to a rate of 18.6 deaths per 100,000 live births. And it's important to also note that in the United States, the vast majority of births occur in hospitals.
According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, in 2022, there were approximately 3.67 million births nationwide. Of these, about 98% took place in hospitals, while around 2% occurred in out-of-hospital settings such as homes or freestanding birth centers like Origins Birth and Wellness. Specifically in 2021, there were 51,642 reported home births, making a 13% increase from 2020.
This rise followed a 19% increase from 2019, indicating a growing interest in home births during that period. And while hospital births remain predominant in the United States, there has been a gradual increase in out-of-hospital births, particularly home births, over recent years.
Given the maternal health care crisis in hospital settings, families are increasingly looking to freestanding birth centers as an alternative. March of Dimes reported in 2024 that over 35% of counties in the U.S. are maternity care deserts and are home to more than 2.3 million women of reproductive age.
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Chapter 2: Why do some families choose midwifery care?
It leads to we need to make clients happy. And if a client is unhappy because they transfer, then they're going to want a refund. And I have heard that Origins had a contract where they did not refund past 34 weeks.
Most midwives at that time, back when Origins first started, were saying once you hit 36 or 37 weeks, no refund, because it's difficult at that point to replace on your calendar a due date that you've already been on call for and done work for. So they had theirs on the earlier side of 34 weeks.
I think it may have originated from, A, we're trying to keep people happy and so we don't want to do a lot of transfers. B, we're so busy that we need to use students to care for clients when licensed midwives aren't around. Students haven't yet seen a whole wide range of when you need to transfer a client out.
And so I think there's a lack of knowledge there as well that led to a lot of the not transferring until it was a shit show.
We've come to hear from many that it's alleged that origins by their protocol was essentially if you are a, quote, graduate midwife student, meaning you've done everything except pass your exams and gained a license, you could essentially practice without your preceptor in the room. I'm curious if you could speak to if you've heard about similar circumstances elsewhere.
Yes. Back when all of this first started being an issue, there were discussions within the community of what is a graduate midwife? Like, what qualifies as that? This is not a term that's used by NARM. This is not a term that's used by the state of Texas with licensed midwives. But it overall is a large problem. I think it goes back to we don't have a standard for every CPM, LM.
We know that they do this educational route. And so we know that they know this information. Even if we did have a defined, here's what a graduate midwife is, or they've met all their numbers and completed everything. They're just waiting on their paperwork to be processed. We still don't have the assurance that they've completed these things on their educational route.
You could have me in the office with you as a student where I haven't done any didactic work, I've just learned by situations that came into the office over the last three years.
Versus you could go to somebody else's office and have somebody that completed an outlined academic program with markers throughout of tests and skills reviews and that has been in their apprenticeship for two or three years. Their education level may be different than mine was.
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Chapter 3: What are the statistics on maternal mortality in the U.S.?
To make matters worse, because Rose's birth suite was on the second story of Origins Dallas, and there was no elevator, paramedics had trouble getting Rose down the stairs, which took additional time and discomfort. When finally arriving at the hospital, Rose was informed that she had experienced quote, horrific labial tearing, end quote.
According to Rose, the OB said her injuries were easily avoidable if she had been allowed to slow down during pushing, which she'd instinctively tried to do. But, Rose claims, Jennifer and Elizabeth shouted at her to push through the horrific pain, and that she literally felt every second of her labia tearing into multiple pieces.
As a result, Rose alleges she's since had to go through two subsequent surgeries to repair the damage, and she still deals with daily pain and scarring even two years later. Rose claims Jennifer and Elizabeth never apologized, never offered to talk to her about her birth, and she never got the notorious herbal bath they'd promised she'd get at a later date.
Thank you, Rose, for sharing your experience with us. We wish you continued healing on your journey. Marie is another incredible survivor we've had the opportunity to connect with. Ironically, a medical provider at her hospital told her about this season of Something Was Wrong as she was checking out of the hospital March of 2025.
After being a client of Jennifer Crawford and Elizabeth Flewell at both Origins Dallas and DFW Community Birth and Wellness, Marie alleges she also experienced birth trauma that has had lasting physical and emotional effects. Early in her care, Marie states that she shared with Jennifer Crawford, who was a licensed midwife in the state of Texas by this time, about her intense fear of needles.
According to Marie, she felt validated and supported by Jennifer's response. After this appointment with Jennifer, Marie felt seen and heard, which made her more confident in the decision to continue care with her. After Origins Dallas closed, she followed her midwives Crawford and Flewell to their new birth center and midwifery school, DFW Community Birth and Wellness.
Marie saw no initial red flags, except for some minor kinks here and there, which she felt was natural for a new company to work through. Marie shared with us that Jennifer Crawford actually brought up to her negative reviews that led to the closure of Origins Birth and Wellness Center and that the allegations were false.
Marie shared that Crawford rationalized the negative reviews by saying something along the lines of that there were people out there who had bad experiences and were out to get them. Marie recounted that Crawford had also told her that there was a mom that had falsely accused her of killing her baby.
And that at the time, Crawford was so convincing, she believed Jennifer Crawford when she said, all of these women were making stuff up as a witch hunt. After transferring to DFW, Marie reports that her urine samples were no longer collected at her visits leading up to her birth. Marie was diagnosed during her pregnancy with gestational diabetes.
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Chapter 5: What happened to Rose during her birth experience?
It just changed my perspective on the holistic aspect of labor and delivery. Now, I think that it's still possible for some mothers, but I do highly suggest that you be very diligent whenever you're searching for a birth center or a midwife and to always have maybe a secondary provider.
For the medical professionals, whenever we receive our license, we are to follow the Nurses Practice Act, I believe is what it's called. We're supposed to provide unbiased, professional, competent, compassionate care. And that applies to everyone, regardless of skin, regardless of financial status.
I just think that we have to really make sure that as health care providers, that we are providing the best competent care for everyone. And think about if it was your mother, your sister, your daughter or wife, how would you want them to be treated by their health care professional?
If we are going to go the route of out of hospital first, these midwives definitely need to have a standard of care and they need to be upheld to that standard of care. And they need to be held accountable just as other medical providers will be held accountable.
What do you hope that listeners consider when hearing all of your stories this season and taking in this information?
I hope that whenever they are looking into whatever care that they decide to go with, that they just really, really do their due diligence and they really research who they're going to allow be in such a precious moment. If you are a religious person, pray that you have the discernment to make the right decisions whenever you're choosing a provider.
If you're listening and something tragic like this has happened to you, sorry doesn't even cover it. I love you. I'm praying for you, whoever has experienced this. Time helps heal the pain. I don't think it will ever go away, but it gets just a little bit easier as time goes on. And don't lose hope on your dream birth because it still can happen.
For us to come together and help other mothers who has experienced this or prevent mothers from experiencing this or help mothers have amazing experiences. It's just been really great to be there for one another because it's not easy.
Thank you so much for your willingness to be so vulnerable and to share with all of us. It's truly an honor to be able to hold space for Malik. You're incredibly inspiring. I too will be praying for you and holding all of you and your loved ones in my heart as well.
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