Tiffany Reese
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Something Was Wrong
Data Points: Cons, Schemes, & Fraud
Wondery Plus subscribers can listen to Something Was Wrong early and ad free right now. Join Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts. Although cons, schemes, and fraud can make for intriguing storylines, the true impact of fraud has pervasive detrimental effects on its victims that are not often highlighted in society or media.
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Data Points: Cons, Schemes, & Fraud
Younger adults were more likely to fall prey to online shopping scams, which often started with an ad on social media, far more often than any other fraud type. Younger adults also reported losing money on job scams at more than five times the rate of older adults. And with the invention of the internet, the accessibility and ease of committing fraud has increased immensely.
Something Was Wrong
Data Points: Cons, Schemes, & Fraud
The Federal Trade Commission reports that of all reported fraud from 21 to 23, victims who made initial contact with scammers through the internet were scammed out of a total of nearly $6 billion.
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Data Points: Cons, Schemes, & Fraud
One in four people who reported losing money to fraud from 21 to 23 said it started on social media, and those victims reported losses that reached a whopping $2.7 billion, which is significantly higher than victims that were frauded through other contact methods.
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Data Points: Cons, Schemes, & Fraud
Social media is also being used to increasingly target younger victims, and is the method of communication in 47% of fraud reported by 18-19 year olds. Still, most fraud is actually not reported, which means that these numbers are actually just a fraction of the harm that common cons, schemes, and frauds cause in the internet and social media age.
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Data Points: Cons, Schemes, & Fraud
As Experian highlights, artificial intelligence-powered scams are increasingly important to keep an eye out for. These scams can produce highly convincing emails, phone calls, and texts. They can also create quality deepfakes featuring celebrities or otherwise influential people to trick victims into investing into a business or idea.
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Data Points: Cons, Schemes, & Fraud
AI-powered scams can even trick victims into believing a family member, loved one, or employer is on the other end of the con. Artificial intelligence can also offer the perpetrator the ability to fabricate images, videos, sounds, or other content in the likeness of the victim and potentially use it to extort other victims.
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Data Points: Cons, Schemes, & Fraud
you can report extortion to the police and to your local Federal Bureau of Investigation field office by calling 1-800-CALL-FBI or online at tips.fbi.gov. You can also report threats involving the internet, such as when a mobile payment app is involved, to the FBI's Internet Crime Complaint Center at www.ic3.gov.
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Data Points: Cons, Schemes, & Fraud
Another common scam is the sale of non-existent goods or services, which includes online purchase scams. Scammers will often use mobile payment apps to trick people into sending money or merchandise without holding up their end of the deal. For example, a scammer may offer to sell you concert tickets. or lease you a home, but then never actually give or lease them to you.
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Data Points: Cons, Schemes, & Fraud
Relatedly, the FBI website enlists 18 different common types of fraud and scams on their website. including but not limited to identity theft, business and investment fraud, charity and disaster fraud, property scams, mortgage fraud, extortion, sextortion, adoption fraud, cryptocurrency investment fraud, elder fraud, election crimes, healthcare fraud, mail fraud, holiday and romance scams.
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Data Points: Cons, Schemes, & Fraud
A scammer may also purchase an item from you, receive the item, appear to send a payment, and then cancel the payment before it reaches your bank account. These sorts of scams are criminally deemed business fraud. If you think you made a payment to a scammer, contact your bank or the company you used to send the money immediately and alert them that there may have been an unauthorized transaction.
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Data Points: Cons, Schemes, & Fraud
You can also file a complaint with the Federal Bureau of Investigation's Internet Crime Complaint Center at www.ic3.gov. Although there are many different types of scams, the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau offers some things to consider in all cases of fraud.
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Data Points: Cons, Schemes, & Fraud
First, scammers may work to gain your trust, often pretending to be someone you trust or even pretend to be a company or government agency you already know. Scammers will also create a sense of urgency, intimidation, and fear. They want you to send the money before you have a chance to confirm or deny their claims or second guess their choices.
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Data Points: Cons, Schemes, & Fraud
Don't let anyone rush you into giving them payment or sensitive business information. Scammers will also ask you to pay in specific ways. They often demand payment through alternative methods like wire transfers, cryptocurrency, or gift cards. But they can also use peer-to-peer mobile apps and other money transfer options.
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Data Points: Cons, Schemes, & Fraud
Although fraud can be charged criminally and civilly, and each state does so differently, the Department of Justice shares, federal and state laws are not sufficient to deter consumer fraud effectively. Because of this, victims of fraud and consumer scams often report feeling dissatisfied with the way the crimes are addressed.
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Data Points: Cons, Schemes, & Fraud
Victims are often compelled to seek both civil and criminal charges in order to receive more encompassing justice.
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Data Points: Cons, Schemes, & Fraud
However, fraud can be charged federally if and when the fraud committed violates federal law, involves a federal agency, crosses state lines, uses the United States Postal Service or interstate communication methods in their scheme, or if it involves fraud as a means to benefit from a federal program.
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Data Points: Cons, Schemes, & Fraud
Despite the variability in fraud schemes and the way that they're addressed, the Better Business Bureau has some general steps that can potentially help all consumers avoid scams. One tip is to keep your personal information private and, if stored, making sure to do so in a highly secure way. Relatedly, it suggested that users establish passwords that are more complex and not easy to guess.
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Also, know that your bank or financial institution will never contact you to ask for passwords or pins. The Better Business Bureau also suggests working with local businesses as frequently as possible. Although local businesses are also capable of fraud, fraud is more likely to occur when distance exists between the patron and business.
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Data Points: Cons, Schemes, & Fraud
The Better Business Bureau also highlights the importance of being careful what you share online. People who commit fraud often weaponize information about their targets that they can find on social media platforms. When seeking purchases online, you can request to see the property in person before submitting payment. When paying people, avoid using cash when you can.
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Data Points: Cons, Schemes, & Fraud
Having a digital trail can help. And although scammers can use digital apps as part of their schemes, the apps themselves are not inherently fraudulent. Using discretion and the aforementioned tactics when sending money via any method can help prevent falling victim to fraud. Additionally, an interesting educational tool is the Better Business Bureau's Scam Risk Calculator.
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Data Points: Cons, Schemes, & Fraud
It offers targeted scam prevention education based on basic personal information. The calculator is linked in the episode notes. Another preventative measure is to report suspected scammers. If you were scammed or think you saw a scam, report it to the FTC at reportfraud.com. You can also report fraud to your state's Department of Consumer Affairs by searching online for their respective website.
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Data Points: Cons, Schemes, & Fraud
If your personal information has been compromised, the IRS Identity Protection Specialized Unit can be contacted to flag your tax files to ensure that your information is not used to falsify tax refunds. In the event that your identity has been stolen, the Identity Theft Resource Center is a national nonprofit organization.
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Data Points: Cons, Schemes, & Fraud
The ITRC website offers tools that help victims through the recovery process and provides links to resources. In addition to the website, you can call ITRC at 1-888-400-5530. The Financial Industry Regulatory Authority offers resources on their website for those working to combat financial fraud, and they also offer victim resources and training for first responders.
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Data Points: Cons, Schemes, & Fraud
In 2023, the Federal Trade Commission data showed adult consumers reported losing more than $10 billion to fraud, which was the first time that reported fraud-related losses had reached an amount that high. This number is a 14% increase over reported losses in 2022.
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Cybercrime Support Network is a non-profit collaboration created to combat cybercrime that is working towards prevention and also offers resources for victims. For more information about the nonprofit organizations and websites mentioned, please visit the episode notes.
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Data Points: Cons, Schemes, & Fraud
For a more comprehensive list of free and confidential organizations that are working to help victims, please visit somethingwaswrong.com slash resources. Many of the amazing groups listed on our website are only able to exist because of the community's help and support.
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If you would like to find out more information about volunteer opportunities, please feel free to visit the resource page and reach out directly to the organization of your choice. I'm Tiffany Reese. This episode was written in collaboration with our two associate producers, Amy B. Chesler and Lily Rowe. Thank you so much for listening and learning with us.
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Data Points: Cons, Schemes, & Fraud
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Data Points: Cons, Schemes, & Fraud
Considering these alarming statistics and the increasing use of artificial intelligence to victimize many people at once, the Broken Cycle Media team believes it's essential to highlight the most common cons, schemes, and fraud.
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Data Points: Cons, Schemes, & Fraud
It's important to note that the FTC highlights that anyone can become a victim of fraud, although victims in different age ranges do largely fall victim to different types of fraud. The FTC points out that in 2021, people ages 18 to 59 were 34% more likely than older adults ages 60 and over to report losing money to fraud, with some types of fraud being more common than others.
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S22 E13: Truer Crime with Celisia Stanton
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S22 E13: Truer Crime with Celisia Stanton
The podcast and any linked materials should not be misconstrued as a substitution for legal or medical advice. I'm Tiffany Reese, and this is Something Was Wrong. Hi friends, today I am honored and excited to bring a special episode featuring Cilicia Stanton, host and creator of Truer Crime and host of The Vanishing Point, both on Tinderfoot.
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S22 E13: Truer Crime with Celisia Stanton
Isaiah Leslie Goodman, who was 34 at the time, it was found that from 2017 through November 2020, he defrauded at least 23 of his investor clients out of approximately, in the end, it was totaled over $2,300,000. After the sentencing, did you feel like a sense of closure?
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Cilicia and I connected over email and when she reached out and started telling me a bit about her own story, which ended up leading to her being a podcast creator herself, I I was like, this is perfect timing because we have been discussing scams, fraud and crime. And as you'll hear in a few moments, her story very much involves those themes.
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I was very honored that she would trust me to discuss her story as well. And it's also a great opportunity for y'all to hear about the amazing shows that she creates. Celicia, thank you so much for joining us today. I think a lot of people will hopefully feel validated by hearing your experience and learn a lot because I know I did.
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When your episode went out and you shared your story with your audience, did you get a lot of feedback? How did it feel to share your story in that way?
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Congratulations on your next season and the launch. That sounds incredibly compelling. And I did not know that either about the 1999 civil case. Another interesting case that you did an episode on in season one that leapt out to me was Jonestown because we covered the story of a family of survivors who escaped Jonestown on season four of Something Was Wrong.
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And that's a really complex case to cover. And you did it in one episode, which is tough to do.
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Are there any other more infamous cases you are touching on in this new season that listeners might have heard of before that they might be interested in hearing more about?
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Very exciting. I can't wait to hear all the new episodes. Will they be released at once or are you releasing them weekly? What's your cadence?
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As somebody who's been there going from like strictly independent, just have the passion and idea and inspiration and channeling your creativity. And now you get to release this content with like a team and the backing and the support. What has that been like for you?
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Thank you so much for being willing to connect with me and share about your own experience. It takes a lot of energy to relive a lot of this stuff and revisit it. And I really appreciate you doing so.
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Thank you again so, so much. I appreciate it. And everybody go check out Truer Crime season two. Thank you so much for listening. Something Was Wrong is a Broken Cycle Media production, created and produced by me, Tiffany Reese. Thank you so much to our associate producers, Amy B. Chesler and Lily Rowe.
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Thank you to our audio engineer, Becca High, and our social media marketing manager, Lauren Barkman of Luxury Media. Additional thanks to our partners, Grant at Wondery, Marissa, Travis, and our team at WME,
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jason and jennifer at ksco our cyber security team darkbox security and my lawyer alan and to all of you who make our show possible with your support and listenership special shout out to neon honey and gabanes for covering our theme song gladrag's original song you think you this season for more music from them check out the episode notes or your favorite streaming app
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In the episode notes, you'll always find content warnings, sources, and resources, with links to our websites and social media as well. Thank you so much to every survivor and ally who has trusted us to help share their stories. We are forever grateful. Until next time, stay safe, friends.
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S22 E13: Truer Crime with Celisia Stanton
So you start meeting for these lessons. Everything's seemingly going well. When do you start to see the red flags?
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S23 E7: How Did We Get Here?
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S23 E7: How Did We Get Here?
It sounds like saying like I attended births I didn't even have to attend just to be supportive. Yeah.
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Holy shit. I can't believe she put this on the internet. She said the quiet part out loud several times here.
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She was being told she was a quote graduate student and that that somehow absolved her of needing to have a license before practicing on her own. Right.
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Within an hour away is wild when you're thinking about birth and how quickly things can happen.
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She's basically saying origins didn't even allow her to process that loss that she had to handle on her own as a student.
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And there is certainly a power imbalance between the owners and licensed midwives who have years of experience, who are owning these clinics, who are clearly looked at as the leaders of this community, and a student who's being told, oh, you're a graduate student, it's fine. Whatever they told her to make her feel like this was okay.
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And the fact that she's saying, I also saw five other people, if what she's alleging is true, acting under these same conditions. Thank you.
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Something Was Wrong is intended for mature audiences. This season contains discussions of medical negligence, birth trauma, and infant loss, which may be upsetting for some listeners. For a full content warning, sources, and resources, please visit the episode notes.
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Something Was Wrong is a Broken Cycle Media production created and produced by executive producer Tiffany Reese, associate producers Amy B. Chesler and Lily Rowe, with audio editing and music design by Becca High. Thank you to our extended team, Lauren Barkman, our social media marketing manager, and Sarah Stewart, our graphic artist.
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Thank you to Marissa, Travis, and our team at WME, Wondery, Jason, and Jennifer, our cybersecurity team, Darkbox Security, and my lawyer, Alan. Thank you endlessly to every survivor who has ever trusted us with their stories. And thank you. each and every listener for making our show possible with your support and listenership.
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Special shout out to Emily Wolfe for covering Gladrag's original song, You Think You, for us this season. For more music by Emily Wolfe, check out the episode notes or your favorite music streaming app. Speaking of episode notes, there every week you'll find episode specific content, warnings, sources, and resources. Until next time, stay safe, friends.
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How great could her training be when the hours that she was allegedly being trained and overseen by other midwives, as we know, didn't happen? So how much was she actually being trained?
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Opinions shared by the guests of the show are their own and do not necessarily represent the views of myself, Broken Cycle Media, and Wondery. The podcast and any linked materials should not be misconstrued as a substitution for legal or medical advice. Origins Birth and Wellness owners and midwives Caitlin Wages and Gina Thompson have not responded to our requests for comment.
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And should students be editing those logs and making those changes? No. Which, just from a logistical standpoint, makes absolutely zero sense for any type of business and operation.
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S23 E3: Standards of Midwifery Care with Dr. Amy Giles, DNP, CNM
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S23 E3: Standards of Midwifery Care with Dr. Amy Giles, DNP, CNM
What would you consider a good transfer rate for a birth center?
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S23 E3: Standards of Midwifery Care with Dr. Amy Giles, DNP, CNM
Could you give us some general examples of what things can occur where these sorts of emergency transfers need to happen?
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I'm curious if your birth center allows VBAC, meaning a vaginal birth after cesarean, and what your experience is with that within the birth center setting.
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S23 E3: Standards of Midwifery Care with Dr. Amy Giles, DNP, CNM
Something that I heard from a few survivors I've spoken to for this season mentioned that at their birthing center, there wasn't enough supplies, things like not having enough towels or stools, very basic things from my understanding. Is there a duty of care in terms of providing those materials as a birth center?
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S23 E3: Standards of Midwifery Care with Dr. Amy Giles, DNP, CNM
I love that you mentioned staffing because this seems to be another major issue in some of these birth centers where I've interviewed clients who have had negative outcomes. What's being alleged is that students were seeing clients without their perceptor due to staffing issues. But that's not correct, right? The student should be overseen at all times. They should not be practicing solo.
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What are some of the challenges that you faced while opening the birth center? And was it difficult to find enough qualified staff to meet the need of the birth center?
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You've owned a birth center for 15 plus years now. What are some implementations that you would like to see put in place from a state or national level? Things, in your opinion, that would just make other birth centers safer?
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Thank you so much for your time, Amy.
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Next time on Something Was Wrong.
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And thank you, each and every listener, for making our show possible with your support and listenership. Special shout out to Emily Wolfe for covering Gladrag's original song, You Think You, for us this season. For more music by Emily Wolfe, check out the episode notes or your favorite music streaming app.
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S23 E3: Standards of Midwifery Care with Dr. Amy Giles, DNP, CNM
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S23 E3: Standards of Midwifery Care with Dr. Amy Giles, DNP, CNM
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What's unique about practicing midwifery in Texas?
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Something Was Wrong is intended for mature audiences. This season contains discussions of medical negligence, birth trauma, and infant loss, which may be upsetting for some listeners. For a full content warning, sources, and resources, please visit the episode notes.
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S23 E3: Standards of Midwifery Care with Dr. Amy Giles, DNP, CNM
So what makes your facility unique is that you have hospital privileges, whereas some birthing centers do not.
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How important is proximity to a hospital for a birth center and what do you feel is reasonable in terms of distance?
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Opinions shared by the guests of the show are their own and do not necessarily represent the views of myself, Broken Cycle Media, and Wondery. The podcast and any linked materials should not be misconstrued as a substitution for legal or medical advice. This season is dedicated with love to Malik.
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S23 E3: Standards of Midwifery Care with Dr. Amy Giles, DNP, CNM
What are some of the common reasons that your clients share with you that they're choosing midwifery?
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What are some of the common concerns you hear from clients regarding care that they've received at other birth centers in the area?
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Excellent advice. Is there any other advice that you would share with listeners who are considering a birth center?
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Are there times when clients come in and you have to say, you know what, we think due to high risk that this just isn't the right fit for you?
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S22 E10: Indiana Delvey
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S22 E10: Indiana Delvey
The podcast and any linked materials should not be misconstrued as a substitution for legal or medical advice. Megan Stoner's responses to these allegations are addressed within this season. I'm Tiffany Reese, and this is Something Was Wrong.
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S22 E10: Indiana Delvey
Months after Alex connected with Stephen, in October 2023, he and his company Mason Motors filed a lawsuit against Stoner for breaking terms in their two signed agreements. One agreement that Stoner signed as herself, and the other where Stoner allegedly signed falsely using the alias of her former roommate and friend, Abby Espy.
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Members of the Facebook group acquired the 128-page Tesla charging document, which details the lawsuit. The document reveals Stoner's failure to make proper payments for the Teslas, her submission of alleged fraudulent insurance documents, and texts exchanged between her and Stephen.
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In these messages, Stoner falsely claims that her child died in a train accident, using this heartbreaking fabricated story to delay fulfilling her payment obligations once again. The document lists seven causes of action against Stoner.
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breach of contract, stoner and SB lease agreements, breach of duty of good faith and fair dealing, fraud, fraudulent concealment, misrepresentation, conversion, and trespass. The documents prayer for relief wherefore plaintiffs pray for judgment against stoner are as follows.
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one for general special consequential and punitive damages in an amount to be proven at trial, but in no event less than $64,618." Two, for punitive damages pursuant to Utah State Code. Three, for prejudgment and post-judgment interest as allowed by law. Four, for attorney's fees and costs. And five, for such other relief as the court deems just and proper.
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On October 28th, 2023, Stoner called Alyssa from jail and they discussed the release of the case documents.
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Last episode, we heard a series of jailhouse calls Stoner had with Alyssa and Justin, in which Stoner admitted to making false claims in attempts to get out of jail. From lying about money once again in an effort to convince Alyssa to bail her out, and then faking a death of a fake child, these conversations illustrated once again Stoner's manipulation, lies, and next-level audacity.
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Shortly after Stoner admitted to lying about having a child, Alyssa, Justin, and the others from the Facebook group that would still answer Stoner's calls from time to time, ceased communication with her for about a month. Many anxiously awaited Stoner's plea hearing, which took place on November 22nd, 2023. Here's journalist, sting operator, and indie community member, Alyssa.
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Today, consideration of criminal charges regarding the alleged identity theft related to the civil case regarding the Teslas is ongoing. On July 5th, 2024, an order was issued to domesticate foreign judgment for Mason Motors LLC to move the lawsuit from Utah to Indiana. meaning the Utah court's judgment where the lawsuit was initially filed will now be recognized in Indiana.
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The judgment in Indiana will be treated the same as any judgment issued by an Indiana court, meaning that the creditor, Mason Motors LLC and Steven Mason, can take steps to enforce the judgment, such as garnishing wages or seizing assets in Indiana, to collect the amount owed. The judgment amount is $68,002.10.
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Jumping back a bit, amid Stoner's Tesla lawsuit, she was sitting in Hamilton County Jail from September 9th, 2023 to March 7th, 2024, when she was granted release into Hamilton County Community Corrections. Community Corrections programs oversee persons convicted of crime outside of jail or prison and are administered by agencies or courts with the legal authority to enforce these sanctions.
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After only 27 days of her community corrections program release, on March 29th, 2024, Stoner's mom, Gail, tragically passed away unexpectedly. Nearly a month later, on April 22nd, 2024, after two notices of noncompliance were filed and submitted against Stoner, her community corrections program was terminated, and she was then sent back to Hamilton County Jail the same day.
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The first information of violation of probation, aka the document that was submitted to the judge about Stoner's behavior while she was out, states that, quote, the defendant began a probationary period on December 18th, 2023. The sentence was suspended on the condition that the defendant obey all conditions of probation, but the defendant has violated certain of those conditions as follows.
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Inappropriate conduct shall not be tolerated, which was discovered during a search of Ms. Stoner's cell phone. The second first information of noncompliance with community corrections placement was filed with the court. It alleges that the defendant on 4-13-24, Ms. Stoner had one or more hours of unaccounted-for release time.
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In the comments section of this document, it stated that, due to various noncompliance issues, such as late returns, continued unemployment, and unaccounted-for time, a cell phone search was conducted on Ms. Stoner's personal cell phone. The first concern that was discovered was a text conversation between Ms.
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Stoner and another current male participant where she requested his personal information, including his social security number, to open an AT&T account for herself due to the fact that she has an outstanding balance in exchange for an incentive. Because of the nature of this case and the fact that Ms.
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Stoner was soliciting information from and encouraging fraud and potential non-compliance issues with another participant in the program, this obviously generated great concern. The second issue was the discovery of more texts from Ms. Stoner to another current residential participant, a female, that included information about recent sales of her food stamps.
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The sale transaction was confirmed through her Cash App. An incident report with screenshots was immediately forwarded to the Hamilton County Sheriff's Office, who, in turn, sent the report to the Family Social Services Administration for further investigation. Again, due to the nature of this case and the fact that Ms. Stoner was engaging in inappropriate, potentially illegal behavior...
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and encouraging participation and potential noncompliance with another participant in the program, this raised even more concern. Other information obtained by Ms. Stoner's cell phone included texts to potential landlords indicating that she was in need of housing and she was currently receiving disability for a diagnosis that was obtained in 2023.
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She has not provided any verification of any diagnosis or disability to HCCC. She has only provided paperwork that reports unsuccessful attempts to get into a particular bank account. It was verified that Ms. Stoner had applied to many jobs while under residential supervision.
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However, the indication, due to unopened emails from most of those businesses, is that the application process was the extent of most of her employment search effort. Ms. Stoner posted on social media almost daily about all of her personal issues while at HCCC and her specific business names, etc., job search efforts, and struggles. She always ended her posts with a plea for financial assistance.
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According to Ms. Stoner, she is fully aware of her negative social media and online following. Because of that, discussions were held with her that pointed out the fact that those types of postings were not in her best interest and likely impeded any potential employment progress. She agreed, but continued posting anyway, stating, "...asking for money is not illegal."
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Lastly, due to these same social media posts, Ms. Stoner's motives behind her multiple self-described crisis events at HCCC were questioned. It was found that during and after those quote, crisis events, she would immediately inform the public about the specific event and then follow it with a plea for money.
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Her cell phone indicated that she sometimes sent these pleas to hundreds, if not thousands of individual social media accounts. Many times she would also add that she needed money for food as well, which appeared odd to HCCC as they provide three meals per day. While certainly not illegal, her social media actions caused questions as to the validity of the continuous crisis events.
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These events were often and the staff took an inordinate amount of time responding and tending to them. Ms. Stoner is not appropriate for return to supervision for all the above-mentioned reasons.
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It is the obligation of HCCC to hold participants accountable for their actions and to notify the court when inappropriate and or potentially illegal activities continue while a participant is serving an executed sentence. One of the goals of HCCC is to affect behavior and thinking style changes. In this case, it does not appear we are able to do so. Ms.
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Stoner has an outstanding balance of $1,022, of which she has paid zero. Should the court disagree with this determination, we would respectfully request a minimum payment of $500 prior to any return so as to not begin her supervision with immediate noncompliance issues. On June 26, 2024, a fact-finding hearing was held to assess Stoner's noncompliance and violation of probation.
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During the hearing, Stoner admitted to the violations stated previously. Stoner's commitment to community corrections was revoked and her probation continued.
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Her amended sentence was, "...defendant is ordered to serve 508 days in Hamilton County Jail, with credit for 222 sentencing days, 111 actual days already served as 111 actual days at Hamilton County Jail from March 7th to May 25th, 2024, plus 111 days of good time credit." Here's Alyssa.
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Thank you so much for listening. Something Was Wrong is a Broken Cycle Media production, created and produced by me, Tiffany Reese. Thank you so much to our associate producers, Amy B. Chesler and Lily Rowe. Thank you to our audio engineer, Becca High, and our social media marketing manager, Lauren Barkman of Luxury Media.
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Additional thanks to our partners, Grant at Wondery, Marissa, Travis, and our team at WME, Jason and Jennifer at KSCO, our cybersecurity team, Darkbox Security, and my lawyer, Alan. And to all of you who make our show possible with your support and listenership. Special shout out to Neon Honey and Gabanes for covering our theme song, Gladrag's original song, You Think You, this season.
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For more music from them, check out the episode notes or your favorite streaming app. In the episode notes, you'll always find content warnings, sources, and resources, with links to our websites and social media as well. Thank you so much to every survivor and ally who has trusted us to help share their stories. We are forever grateful. Until next time, stay safe, friends.
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On November 22nd, 2023, after not speaking for nearly a month, Stoner called Alyssa to discuss her plea hearing, which took place that same day.
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No, you won't. Thank you for using Glow. After Stoner's plea hearing, she awaited her sentencing, which occurred on December 18th, 2023. On November 22nd, Stoner had pled guilty to counts two and five. Count two, fraud, but loss is between $750,000 and $50,000. And count five, theft, where value of property is between $750,000 and $50,000.
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For count two, Stoner was sentenced to 730 days in the Indiana Department of Corrections with 204 days of jail credit. Of the sentence, 365 days were suspended. Stoner also received credit for 102 actual days served from April 27th to April 28th, 2023, and again from September 9th to December 17th, 2023.
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Restitution was ordered to her victims in the amounts of $1,300 for one and $600 for the two others, and additionally she was placed on probation for 365 days. For count five, Stoner was again sentenced to 730 days in the Indiana Department of Corrections for the false leasing of the same property to at least three different individuals.
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I finally feel like I'm getting back into the swing of things after the new year, and I'm trying to focus on small attainable goals, and Thrive Market is helping me achieve one of them, which is to eat more often and healthier snacks. Thrive Market makes it so much easier to find better options without all the hassle.
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One of my favorite features is the healthy swap scanner in the Thrive Market app. Scan any item and it'll instantly suggest a cleaner, healthier alternative. So for me, this means even simple things like popcorn or crackers. I also love shopping their beauty section and I've found so many brands that I had never heard of before that have really affordable non-toxic formulas.
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And the best part is everything gets delivered safely right to my door every time and I get savings on every order. If you've been following the podcast for a long time, you know I have been a Thrive Market fan for quite some time. Whether you're looking for dye-free snacks, non-toxic cleaning products, Thrive Market has it and you can find it in just a matter of a few clicks.
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Ready for a junk-free start to 2025? Head to thrivemarket.com slash SWW and get 30% off your first order plus a free $60 gift. That's T-H-R-I-V-E market.com slash SWW. thrivemarket.com slash SWW. One thread we've yet to untangle is Stoner's alleged crimes regarding Tesla rentals. Between June 1st, 2021 and July 28th, 2023, she drove many different Teslas.
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Stoner frequently boasted about them on social media, including that one was from a generous donor. Additionally, Stoner received many driving infractions during this time. Back in the summer of 2023, this sparked confusion and concern among community members, who were left wondering how was Stoner affording such luxurious cars like a Tesla?
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So prior to Megan's getting arrested in summer of 2023, as the operations to arrest Stoner for her rental scams were still forming, another investigation unfolded behind the scenes. One focused on unraveling the mystery behind Stoner's Teslas. Here's Spice Girl Alex.
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This podcast is intended for mature audiences and discusses topics that may be upsetting. For a full content warning, sources, and resources, please visit the episode notes. Opinions shared by the guests of the show are their own and do not necessarily represent the views of myself, Broken Cycle Media, or Wondery.
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Hey, friends. Firstly, I want to say thank you so much for your support of this season and of the survivors. We are so thankful to hear that many of you have been feeling validated by the survivors sharing their experiences.
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It was so wild to meet friends in person and experience live discourse, feedback, and community. Thank you to everyone who attended. We hope to host similar events in the future to raise funds for local nonprofits that serve survivors in the cities we visit.
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Now, before we get into the more investigative portion of Season 23, the coming together of these incredible survivors and their ongoing efforts to help others, and the ongoing legal investigations of Origen's birth and wellness, we wanted to share a doula's perspective.
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A doula's perspective is unique and important because they typically work with birth clients and health practitioners in many settings. As a reminder, a doula is a birth worker, typically without formal obstetric training, who is employed to provide guidance and support to a pregnant person during labor.
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We are thankful to Doula Melissa from North Dallas Doulas, who previously worked directly with survivors who were clients of Origins Birth and Wellness Center. I'd like to also thank our associate producers, Amy B. Chesler and Lily Rowe, for conducting this interview while I was unavailable.
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Longtime listeners will recognize Amy's voice from season seven of Something Was Wrong, where she shared the harrowing story of her mother Hadassah's senseless murder at the hands of her now convicted brother. Amy, or ABC as we call her, is also the talented host and co-creator of our short-form docuseries show, What Came Next. ABC is an incredible interviewer, host, and human.
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The Broken Cycle Media team is thankful to have her important perspective. We'd also like to celebrate and give a shout out to ABC's newest podcast, Famillicide, which she co-created with Sam Mettler, the creator of A&E's hit docuseries, Intervention. Links to ABC's new show, Famillicide, and North Dallas Doulas can be found in the episode notes. Thank you so much.
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Next time on Something Was Wrong.
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Something Was Wrong is a Broken Cycle Media production created and produced by executive producer Tiffany Reese, associate producers Amy B. Chesler and Lily Rowe, with audio editing and music design by Becca High. Thank you to our extended team, Lauren Barkman, our social media marketing manager, and Sarah Stewart, our graphic artist.
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Something Was Wrong is intended for mature audiences. This season contains discussions of medical negligence, birth trauma, and infant loss, which may be upsetting for some listeners. For a full content warning, sources, and resources, please visit the episode notes.
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Thank you to Marissa, Travis, and our team at WME, Wondery, Jason, and Jennifer, our cybersecurity team, Darkbox Security, and my lawyer, Alan. Thank you endlessly to every survivor who has ever trusted us with their stories. And thank you, each and every listener, for making our show possible with your support and listenership.
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Special shout out to Emily Wolfe for covering Gladrag's original song, You Think You, for us this season. For more music by Emily Wolfe, check out the episode notes or your favorite music streaming app. Speaking of episode notes, there every week you'll find episode-specific content, warnings, sources, and resources. Until next time, stay safe, friends.
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Opinions shared by the guests of the show are their own and do not necessarily represent the views of myself, Broken Cycle Media, and Wondery. The podcast and any linked materials should not be misconstrued as a substitution for legal or medical advice. Origins Birth and Wellness owners and midwives, Caitlin Wages and Gina Thompson, have not responded to our requests for comment.
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And what did Dr. Fuller share with you about what was going on with Kristen at that point?
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And who was seeing you and looking over those results?
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Elizabeth didn't note the suspected preeclampsia when they initially ran those labs? Nope, even though she had verbalized it.
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During the time in the hospital and during this recovery care, you're talking to a lot of the doctors and nurses and such. Did any of them speak to like their experience with origins or did they give any sort of indication that this was avoidable?
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Sudden infant death syndrome, also known as SIDS, is the unexplained death of an infant or baby. The cause of SIDS is unknown, but it may be caused by problems in the area of an infant's brain that controls breathing and waking up from sleep. Both physical and sleep factors put an infant at risk of SIDS. These factors vary from child to child.
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You can be happy for her and upset for you at the same time, but then you get to feel guilt on top of the fact that you're feeling what you're feeling, right?
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Do you feel like a lot of that was from the medical trauma in addition to the life transition?
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Something Was Wrong is intended for mature audiences. This season contains discussions of medical negligence, birth trauma, and infant loss, which may be upsetting for some listeners. For a full content warning, sources, and resources, please visit the episode notes.
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If you don't mind me asking, when did you guys start therapy?
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Apgar is a quick test performed on a newborn at 1 and 5 minutes after birth. The 1-minute score determines how well the baby tolerated the birthing process. The 5-minute score tells the healthcare provider how well the baby is doing outside the mother's womb. It also helps measure how well the baby responds if resuscitation is needed right after birth.
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The healthcare provider examines the baby's breathing effort, heart rate, muscle tone, reflexes, and skin color. The APGAR score is based on a total score of 1 to 10. A score of a 7, 8, or 9 is typical and is a sign that the newborn is in good health. Any score lower than a 7 is a sign that the baby needs medical attention.
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The lower the score, the more help the newborn needs to adjust outside the mother's womb. Most of the time, a low APGAR score is caused by a difficult birth, C-section, or fluid in the baby's airway. A baby with a low APGAR score may need oxygen and clearing of the airway to help with breathing or physical stimulation to help get the heart beating at a healthy rate.
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A low APGAR score does not mean a child will have serious or long-term health problems.
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Something Was Wrong is a Broken Cycle Media production created and produced by executive producer Tiffany Reese, associate producers Amy B. Chesler and Lily Rowe, with audio editing and music design by Becca High. Thank you to our extended team, Lauren Barkman, our social media marketing manager, and Sarah Stewart, our graphic artist.
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Thank you to Marissa, Travis, and our team at WME, Wondery, Jason, and Jennifer, our cybersecurity team, Darkbox Security, and my lawyer, Alan. Thank you endlessly to every survivor who has ever trusted us with their stories. And thank you, each and every listener, for making our show possible with your support and listenership.
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Special shout out to Emily Wolfe for covering Gladrag's original song, You Think You, for us this season. For more music by Emily Wolfe, check out the episode notes or your favorite music streaming app. Speaking of episode notes, there, every week, you'll find episode-specific content warnings, sources, and resources. Until next time, stay safe, friends.
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Jennifer's the midwife on call, even though Jennifer is a student. Yes. Which obviously, again, you did not know at the time.
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Opinions shared by the guests of the show are their own and do not necessarily represent the views of myself, Broken Cycle Media, and Wondery. The podcast and any linked materials should not be misconstrued as a substitution for legal or medical advice. At the time of this episode's release, midwives Jennifer Crawford, Gina Thompson, and Caitlin Wages have not responded to our request for comment.
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This podcast is intended for mature audiences and discusses topics that may be upsetting. For a full content warning, sources, and resources, please visit the episode notes. Opinions shared by the guests of the show are their own and do not necessarily represent the views of myself, Broken Cycle Media, or Wondery.
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The podcast and any linked materials should not be misconstrued as a substitution for legal or medical advice. Megan Stoner's responses to these allegations are addressed within this season. I'm Tiffany Reese, and this is Something Was Wrong.
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Last episode, we heard about Justin and Amanda's elaborate Yoni sting operation, in which they invented a fake Yoni practitioner in an effort to find out where Stoner was allegedly hiding from police. Their efforts alongside Alyssa and local police helped lead to Stoner's third arrest. Stoner was booked at Hamilton County Jail on September 9th, 2023.
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Shortly after being booked into Hamilton County Jail, Stoner began frequently calling Alyssa, despite the fact that Alyssa had previously represented herself as Vanessa, the fake journalist, and helped Amanda and Justin in the Yoni Sting incident as well. Here's Alyssa.
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Alyssa's goal was ultimately to get Stoner to admit to more crimes, which she eventually did. Here is audio from Alyssa's first two jailhouse calls with Stoner on September 14th, 2023. Hello?
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Thank you so much for listening. Something Was Wrong is a Broken Cycle Media production, created and produced by me, Tiffany Reese. Thank you so much to our associate producers, Amy B. Chesler and Lily Rowe. Thank you to our audio engineer, Becca High, and our social media marketing manager, Lauren Barkman of Luxury Media.
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Additional thanks to our partners, Grant at Wondery, Marissa, Travis, and our team at WME,
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jason and jennifer at ksco our cyber security team darkbox security and my lawyer alan and to all of you who make our show possible with your support and listenership special shout out to neon honey and gabanes for covering our theme song gladrag's original song you think you this season for more music from them check out the episode notes or your favorite streaming app
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Opinions expressed by my guests on the show are their own and do not necessarily represent the views of myself or broken cycle media. Resources and source material are linked in the episode notes. Thank you so much for listening. As shared in Part 1 and Part 2 of their story, J.E. Reich is a journalist, editor, survivor, and victim advocate.
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They shared their story on Something Was Wrong Season 6, Episodes 5 and 6, which aired on December 6th and December 13th of 2020. The episodes discuss the impact of the devastating 2018 shooting at the Tree of Life Synagogue in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, and the impact the hate crime had on J.E. 's community. The episodes also bring awareness to the related, horrific stalking J.E.
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Tiffany said it perfectly. I just echo what she said. Thank you again. You really are an incredibly empathetic, powerful human. You've been through hell and I really appreciate you being willing to share some of that with the audience for awareness and for prevention and for healing. I know it's going to help people to hear it.
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Thank you so much for listening to today's episode. Next week on What Came Next.
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and their family would be subjected to in the years following. However, at the time of the episode's release, J.E. and their family had received no justice for the unending harassment and death threats the caller executed over those years. The Broken Cycle Media team is extremely grateful J.E.
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was willing to return today to share more of their journey to seek justice and about the start of their consequent healing process.
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Of course, it's difficult to talk about these topics and to do it any service because it's so serious and so many people are being harmed. Just to be clear, I do not agree with anything that the Israeli government has done. But we're three Jewish people on this recording, and the anti-Semitism obviously plays such a piece in what we're going to discuss.
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These difficult nuances and layers to all of this, which is complex.
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We'd sort of see these headlines, unfortunately, constantly. They just pass through the news cycles now. And we don't always get a sense of how many people and how communities at large can be impacted by these events. It was a really brave time for you. I don't even know how long it was between when you submitted and when I contacted you. I think it was pretty quick.
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It hadn't even been that long since the shooting had taken place and the fact that you had spoken out already. Not everybody's able to do that, even in writing. By you doing so, it was very inspiring.
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Really interesting timing that JE came into my life because the podcast had just went number one. That happened to have happened the week or two before their story was going to air. Insane time. But getting to interview JE was this major moment for me. I felt so incredibly honored to work with them and share their story. And it felt like, wow, this person is trusting me with this.
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And that was not lost on me. It was incredible to work together. And it was honestly, for me, the first major gun violence story that we had really gotten into on the podcast. It just felt like kismet in a lot of ways. And then I would go on to work with Amy. So we were recording all at the same time then.
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According to Mayo Clinic, typically at the beginning of or during labor, membranes will rupture, also known as water breaking. It's not always easy to tell if water has broken. For example, it might be difficult to tell the difference between amniotic fluid and urine. Typically, after water breaks at term, labor soon follows, if it hasn't already begun. Sometimes, however, labor does not start.
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The longer it takes for labor to start after your water breaks, the greater the risk of infection.
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This disparity is driven by a variety of factors, including inequities in healthcare quality, underlying chronic health conditions, and social determinants of health that limit access to care, particularly for racial and ethnic minorities. the U.S. continues to have the highest maternal death rates among high-income nations.
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Was it a cause for concern or was it more them saying, just try to rest while you can in between?
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Within the U.S., Black women are disproportionately affected, often receiving lower-quality care than white women, with significant disparities in care processes, outcomes, and overall patient experiences. These inequities are deeply rooted in discrimination and clinician bias.
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In 2023, the CDC reported the maternal mortality rate for Black women was 50.3 deaths per 100,000 live births, far higher than the rates of white women at 14.5, Hispanic at 12.4, and Asian women at 10.7. While the rates for white, Hispanic, and Asian women decreased from 2022, the rate for Black women rose slightly from 49.5 per 100,000. Race also plays a component in infant loss.
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Were people trying to not alert you to the feelings that they were having?
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According to the CDC, in 2022, the United States reported a total of 20,577 infant deaths, marking a 3% increase from 2021. The highest mortality rate was observed among infants of Black non-Hispanic women, at 10.90 per 1,000 live births.
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This was followed by infants of American Indian and Alaska Native women at 9.06%, Native Hawaiian or other Pacific Islander women at 8.5%, Hispanic women 4.89%, White women 4.52%, and Asian women 3.51%. Systemic racism in healthcare also plays a role in where patients and clients seek care, such as freestanding birth centers.
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There really are no words to describe. It's just sorrow that I feel for your loss, and I'm so sorry. What came next for you after those five days in the hospital?
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These are facilities that offer an alternative to hospital births that are gaining popularity for their potential to reduce adverse birth outcomes and aid maternity deserts. However, less than 5% are led by people of color, despite their effectiveness, especially in minority communities.
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I imagine it was hard to go back to work, given you work in a medical setting. Or do you feel like it was more a distraction?
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Examples like Roots Community Birth Center in Minneapolis, which serves a predominantly black and indigenous population, show positive outcomes such as lower cesarean rates and higher breastfeeding rates. Challenges such as limited funding persist, especially for community-based organizations in minority populations.
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thank you to our extended team lauren barkman our social media marketing manager and sarah stewart our graphic artist thank you to marissa travis and our team at wme wondery jason and jennifer our cyber security team darkbox security and my lawyer alan Thank you endlessly to every survivor who has ever trusted us with their stories.
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And thank you, each and every listener, for making our show possible with your support and listenership. Special shout out to Emily Wolfe for covering Gladrag's original song, You Think You, for us this season. For more music by Emily Wolfe, check out the episode notes or your favorite music streaming app.
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Efforts to establish birth centers in areas like New Mexico's Navajo Nation have struggled due to insufficient financial support. To add, between 2021 and 2023, an average of 63.7 of birthing mothers in Texas who are Hispanic were Medicaid users, and an average of 61.2 of birthing mothers in Texas who are Black were covered by Medicaid.
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And as data from the March of Dimes illustrates, 48.8% of Texas births are covered by Medicaid. This limits options for those receiving pregnancy or labor care via Medicaid-approved facilities, as only a portion of licensed birthing centers are covered by Medicaid.
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These efforts highlight the need for greater support to improve maternal health outcomes and address disparities in minority communities through accessible, relationship-centered care. I'm Tiffany Reese, and this is Something Was Wrong.
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Please note, this episode discusses the death of an infant and may be distressing for some. Please take extra care when listening.
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Opinions shared by the guests of the show are their own and do not necessarily represent the views of myself, Broken Cycle Media, and Wondery. The podcast and any linked materials should not be misconstrued as a substitution for legal or medical advice. At the time of this episode's release, midwives Jennifer Crawford, Gina Thompson, and Caitlin Wages have not responded to our request for comment.
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Who was at your first initial appointment and what do you recall about that experience?
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Although Jennifer Crawford was allegedly practicing as an unlicensed student midwife while caring for Kristen during her pregnancy, as we heard in episodes one and two, Jennifer did receive her certified professional midwife license, according to the Texas Department of Licensing and Regulation, on May 20th, 2022, prior to Markita's care at Origins.
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I can't obviously assume their intention, but it certainly makes it convenient if you're understaffed to be like, we're just free flowing staffing here.
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Yep. What sort of typical things were happening when you would go in for your checkups? Some people have sort of described like group doctor appointments. Was that also your experience?
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This season is dedicated with love to Malik. Every year in the United States, hundreds of women die during or after pregnancy, and many more face serious long-term health complications. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, over 80% of these deaths are preventable. Tragically, Black women are three times more likely to die from pregnancy-related causes than white women.
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According to the Cleveland Clinic, the mucus plug is a thick piece of mucus that blocks the opening of the cervix during pregnancy. It forms a seal to prevent bacteria and infection from getting into the uterus and reaching the fetus. You can think of it as a protective barrier between the vagina and the uterus. An increase in pregnancy hormones like progesterone form the mucus plug.
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And did they still charge you the full amount for services and everything?
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Through their experiences, it becomes clear that the system-wide inequities and ethical injustices have contributed to their trauma. Their experiences also mirror the nationwide systemic gaps. Currently, America has one of the highest, most alarming rates of maternal deaths among high-income countries, especially those who have high rates of healthcare spending.
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In 2022, the average maternal mortality rate in the US was 22 deaths per 100,000 live births. Black and indigenous women in the U.S. have even higher maternal mortality rates than other racial groups. In fact, in that same year, 2022, the maternal mortality rate for Black women was 49.5 deaths per 100,000 live births, more than double.
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The steady increase in exponentially higher rates of maternal mortality in varied marginalized communities is a devastating sign of an inequitable medical landscape. And for pregnant persons, nearly two of three maternal deaths in the U.S. occur during the postpartum period, from delivery through the first 42 days that follow.
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Many survivors you'll hear from this season were clients at the now-closed Origins Birth and Wellness Center, previously based in Dallas and Fort Worth, Texas. Their stories are sadly mirrored throughout the country by other survivors we've spoken to from various states that you'll hear from later in this season as well.
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You'll also hear from many medical experts and researchers who are working daily to improve what they describe as a maternal health care crisis in the United States. According to the data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, of the more than 400,000 out-of-hospital births attended by midwives in the last decade, nearly 60% involved direct-entry midwives.
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As you started going in for your visits and your checkups, who were you being seen by and what was that process like?
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A direct entry midwife is a midwife who becomes credentialed without first becoming a nurse, whereas certified nurse midwives, or CNMs, are registered nurses who have completed additional education and certification in midwifery.
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Direct entry midwives tend to enter the field via midwifery schools or apprenticeships, and rarely collaborate with physicians or hospitals whose regulations fall under state guidelines. Meaning, the allowing of direct entry midwives to practice depends on the state.
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Midwifery regulations are often established and overseen by state health departments, boards of nursing, or specific boards or agencies that are dedicated to regulating midwifery. In Texas, midwives are overseen by TDLR, or the Texas Department of Licensing and Regulation.
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Some other things TDLR regulates, barbering and cosmetology, air conditioning and refrigeration, electrician licensing, driver education, massage therapy, boiler safety, elevator safety, auctioneering, and towing operators.
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The Mayo Clinic states that a placental abruption is an uncommon yet serious complication of pregnancy. The placenta develops in the uterus during pregnancy. It attaches to the wall of the uterus and supplies the baby with nutrients and oxygen. A placental abruption occurs when the placenta partly or completely separates from the inner wall of the uterus before delivery.
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This can decrease or block the baby's supply of oxygen and nutrients and cause heavy bleeding in the mother. Placental abruption often happens suddenly. If left untreated, it endangers both the mother and baby.
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Because midwifery training standards and required education vary greatly state to state, there are deep inconsistencies in the birthing industry that leaves clients unaware of the potential risks involved. We are not here to demonize midwifery, birthing centers, hospitals, doctors, or home births.
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So scary. Were they able to tell if you had the placental abruption or not?
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Something Was Wrong is intended for mature audiences. This season contains discussions of medical negligence, birth trauma, and infant loss, which may be upsetting for some listeners. For a full content warning, sources, and resources, please visit the episode notes.
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We are, however, here to examine the places in which there is great concern for the safety of those states' citizens. We also aim to honor the experiences of the survivors that you'll hear bravely speak out this season. Pregnant persons, infants, and their families deserve to feel safe and secure no matter where or how they choose to give birth. I'm Tiffany Reese, and this is Something Was Wrong.
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Obviously, now you've learned so much about this and you're coming to it from that hindsight perspective. But at the time when all this stuff is going on and you are in their care, was your anxiety increasing? Like, were you stressed or did you feel like at that time you were in good care?
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And this is one of the things that their website was boasting even when I looked at it. It was like, we have low transfer rates, etc. And so that's their way of convincing people this is as safe as a hospital.
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thank you to our extended team lauren barkman our social media marketing manager and sarah stewart our graphic artist thank you to marissa travis and our team at wme wondery jason and jennifer our cyber security team darkbox security and my lawyer alan Thank you endlessly to every survivor who has ever trusted us with their stories.
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And thank you, each and every listener, for making our show possible with your support and listenership. Special shout out to Emily Wolfe for covering Gladrag's original song, You Think You, for us this season. For more music by Emily Wolfe, check out the episode notes or your favorite music streaming app.
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Opinions shared by the guests of the show are their own and do not necessarily represent the views of myself, Broken Cycle Media, and Wondery. The podcast and any linked materials should not be misconstrued as a substitution for legal or medical advice. At the time of this episode's release, midwives Jennifer Crawford, Gina Thompson, and Caitlin Wages have not responded to our request for comment.
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This season is dedicated with love to Malik. This season on Something Was Wrong, we're investigating the maternal health care crisis in the United States and its impact on pregnant persons, infants, and their families. Survivors will be sharing harrowing stories of pregnancy and birth trauma, loss, and grief.
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Did Caitlin or Gina ever speak about why babies were lost with you or in front of you? No.
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Speaking to the relationship that you had with Caitlin regarding being her surrogate, how did that conversation come about?
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There are allegations that Jennifer was practicing midwifery without her license. Were you aware of those sorts of staffing incidences where students were allowed to practice midwifery unsupervised?
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If they were graduate midwives, why didn't they just get their license? Because they hadn't passed their tests, basically.
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How many other midwives were working underneath Jennifer during this era of the birth center?
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Well, it sounds like Jennifer was taking on a lot of it towards the end.
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What was the process like becoming pregnant as a surrogate?
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Furthermore, Brittany reflected on how understaffed Origins felt then, which has been underscored since she left and began learning what proper staffing numbers were at other local birthing centers. Quote, Amy from Allen Midwifery talked about how they are now taking up to 20 clients a month with six nurse midwives blew my mind.
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We were taking 20 plus clients per month with three midwives at each birth center. To clarify, each birth center was taking 20-plus births each on a good month, and each birth center was staffed with only three midwives, not including Gina or Caitlin."
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Relatedly, Brittany reports that throughout her time working for Origins Birth & Wellness, she tried to advocate for the midwives, but ultimately didn't feel any changes were made to rectify staffing issues, overtired midwives, and other logistical issues that could negatively impact midwives, their clients, and their families.
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Brittany shared that after the death of Malik, Origins never had a meeting to reflect as a team on what went wrong, only to refresh their partners on where to enter Baylor. Brittany shared that Origins owners did not seem to care when babies were lost, but instead fixated on negative reviews or transfer statistics.
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She alleged that after Marquita left her review, Origins hired a company and paid them $500 to try to remove their negative reviews, explicitly flagging Marquita's needing to be removed. Brittany says that she expressed her discomfort in this approach in the meeting with Gina and Caitlin, but her concerns were brushed off.
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Something Was Wrong is intended for mature audiences. This season contains discussions of medical negligence, birth trauma, and infant loss, which may be upsetting for some listeners. For a full content warning, sources, and resources, please visit the episode notes.
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Something Was Wrong is a Broken Cycle Media production created and produced by executive producer Tiffany Reese, associate producers Amy B. Chesler and Lily Rowe, with audio editing and music design by Becca High. Thank you to our extended team, Lauren Barkman, our social media marketing manager, and Sarah Stewart, our graphic artist.
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Thank you to Marissa, Travis, and our team at WME, Wondery, Jason, and Jennifer, our cybersecurity team, Darkbox Security, and my lawyer, Alan. Thank you endlessly to every survivor who has ever trusted us with their stories. And thank you, each and every listener, for making our show possible with your support and listenership.
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Special shout out to Emily Wolfe for covering Gladrag's original song, You Think You, for us this season. For more music by Emily Wolfe, check out the episode notes or your favorite music streaming app. Speaking of episode notes, there every week you'll find episode-specific content warnings, sources, and resources. Until next time, stay safe, friends.
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It sounds like you felt like in the moment that the concern was for her son, but there wasn't that same level of concern for you.
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Opinions shared by the guests of the show are their own and do not necessarily represent the views of myself, Broken Cycle Media, and Wondery. The podcast and any linked materials should not be misconstrued as a substitution for legal or medical advice. Origins Birth and Wellness owners and midwives Caitlin Wages and Gina Thompson have not responded to our requests for comment.
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So you felt like she was kind of trying to take credit and hold that over your head a little bit?
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Some clients had reported that all of their notes and their chart were made under the same login and also several had changes made to them weeks and months after treatment. I'm wondering if you have any insight that you could offer us
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So much about him hasn't changed from the earlier recordings. Even in the recording, when he first was sentenced, anytime the judge would try to point out to him your feelings or your family's feelings or how it was impacting other people, he basically would just be like, I haven't denied that I did that. There's no sense of empathy, compassion or anything for anyone but himself.
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You're so amazing. I just love that you're taking the power back in a lot of ways. And you're literally helping to make change to help be preventative to other people being harmed through these apps. This kind of legislation is what we hope for at a federal level. And we want to see in all 50 states and internationally, this is needed. It gets us one step closer. So it is a huge win for survivors.
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That's the tricky thing, especially with cyber stalking. If we look at season 20, Jessica Polley, her victims are in so many different states and she's constantly moving states.
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So it makes it really hard even for the FBI to figure out who has jurisdiction when somebody is constantly on the run and using the Internet and dating apps, especially the kind that will let you change your location and these various different things. Yes.
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That is also a part of advocacy that we don't talk about enough. Part of that is allowing yourself time when you need it. And then there's other times where you feel energized and you feel like you can accomplish a lot that day.
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And I believe you'll do that because everything you accomplish to set out to do, I feel like you conquer it where you're able. You're a very resilient person. You allow yourself time to grieve and to feel things, but you bounce back.
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I just can't thank you enough for even being willing to come back, speak to us and share more because you've already given us so much and shared so much and changed so many people's lives by sharing. We had so many stalking survivors submit their stories since season 19. It's been an honor to be a small part of supporting you through this. We continue to wish you the best. Thank you.
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When one of the other victims came forward, she had reached out to the podcast. She had shared with me that she's been a day one listener of Something Was Wrong and also a survivor of Morrison. As soon as she started hearing Amy speak on episode one of her season, that just continued to be confirmed for her through it.
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That's always our hope when we're putting these stories out there that we're going to find more victims. And especially was Amy's hope, her whole family's hope and prayer that this was going to happen. Then to see that actually come to fruition while the season is releasing was pretty incredible and very moving.
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Thankfully, you also had so many people in your corner that were willing to speak up for you and advocate alongside you. So we were really able to deliver to the listeners a really full picture of the situation.
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It helps from a victimology and a criminology standpoint, being able to have such a rich picture of you within the content and your loved ones, your support system and all the people who are ultimately impacted by Morrison's actions. Then also being able to really show people who Morrison was through the recordings and all the evidence that you provided.
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The monstrous person that you have unjustly had to deal with. Matching with this person on a dating app and having a few exchanges with this person. literally something that everybody that's dating nowadays has probably done at least once or twice in the modern dating app world. As a team, we were really honored to work on this story.
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As the survivors investigated Origin's birth and wellness past further, one of the most eye-opening discoveries centered around owner Gina's first year as a licensed midwife. Gina Phillips became a licensed midwife on March 28th, 2013. By the end of that same year, the Texas Midwifery Board would receive at least one complaint about Gina's services and began the review process.
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So you submitted in writing, then you submitted on the website. You have spoken with them on the phone. You have emailed with them a few times and checked in on things. But as of right now, they're still, quote, investigating it.
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Then on October 9th, 2014, Gina was sent a notice of violation that stated Gina rendered services on or about December 13th, 2013 to April 6th, 2014 that allegedly violated several of their codes. End quote. End quote.
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She also received a violation for allegedly not referring clients to another clinician in the event of other conditions or symptoms assessed by a midwife exercising reasonable skill and knowledge that could adversely affect the mother or fetus. Two more of Gina's violations were related to guidelines surrounding labor and delivery that require a midwife, quote, end quote.
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According to the docket highlighting the Texas Midwifery Board's disciplinary actions, Gina was notified that her license was being suspended, and she was going to be put on professional probation in October of 2014. However, Gina signed a statement saying she did not accept the proposal by the Complaint Review Committee and requested an informal conference and formal hearing.
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each and every listener for making our show possible with your support and listenership. Special shout out to Emily Wolfe for covering Gladrag's original song, You Think You, for us this season. For more music by Emily Wolfe, check out the episode notes or your favorite music streaming app.
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On February 16, 2015, a meeting was held and disciplinary terms were agreed upon. Gina ultimately agreed that over the following year of her probated suspension that she would not supervise any apprentices or students and she would be supervised by a preceptor for 10 or more births.
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Something Was Wrong is intended for mature audiences. This season contains discussions of medical negligence, birth trauma, and infant loss, which may be upsetting for some listeners. For a full content warning, sources, and resources, please visit the episode notes.
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She also agreed to submit the charts of the first 10 births she attended in her probationary period and submit evidence of one year of supervised practice.
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Lastly, Gina had to submit proof to the Texas Midwifery Board of taking three hours of continued education, including charting, hypertensive disorders in pregnancy, and vaginal births after cesarean, as well as additional education hours required for licensure renewal.
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What makes these findings even more interesting is that Caitlin Wages, eventual co-owner of Origins, became a licensed midwife on October 10, 2014, only one day exactly after Gina received her first notice of violation from the Texas Midwifery Board.
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Considering the fact that Gina allegedly acted as Caitlin Wage's preceptor while Caitlin earned her licensure, that also implies that Gina's violations occurred while she acted as a preceptor. Relatedly, it's important to highlight that the North American Registry of Midwives
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specifically requires midwives that serve as registered preceptors to have at least three years of experience beyond entry-level certified professional midwives requirements or having served as a primary midwife for at least 50 births beyond the entry-level certified professional midwife requirements.
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It's an unfortunate foreshadowing to what we know now that you obviously all didn't know then.
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Opinions shared by the guests of the show are their own and do not necessarily represent the views of myself, Broken Cycle Media, and Wondery. The podcast and any linked materials should not be misconstrued as a substitution for legal or medical advice. Origins Birth and Wellness owners and midwives Caitlin Wages and Gina Thompson have not responded to our requests for comment.
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How were you guys able to determine that Origins was doing this?
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Do you know if any of the other women have had run-ins with her, so to speak?
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Although the survivors were being met with many obstacles in their pursuit of justice against Origins Birth and Wellness Center, they did not give up. They began learning more about the ways birth centers physical buildings are governed in the state of Texas.
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They learned that Texas Health and Human Services, which is often referred to as HHS, establishes the state licensing requirements and the operational standards for birthing centers. In their research, the women discovered that every building in Dallas is required to possess a certificate of occupancy, or a CO as it's often called.
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According to the city's government website, a certificate of occupancy is a document provided by the city that proves a structure is habitable, based on its legal use, type of property, and meets all housing and building codes.
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The podcast and any linked materials should not be misconstrued as a substitution for legal or medical advice. Megan Stoner's responses to these allegations are addressed within this season. I'm Tiffany Reese, and this is Something Was Wrong. Last episode, we discussed how Stoner and I made contact while she was in Hamilton County Jail.
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At the end of our fifth call, I played Stoner the season's trailer where she had little to no reaction. The trailer was available for early release on October 10th, 2024. Because of the trailer's release and the public attention on Stoner, I started to receive emails from former victims and others who had experiences with her.
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I spoke to Stoner again on October 14th, 2024 about my upcoming trip to meet with Indiana State Police and the allegations Hannah had shared with me.
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While on the airplane to Indiana, Stoner tried calling me nine times in five hours. The next day, she called me again.
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Throughout my week in Indiana, I had productive conversations with Indiana law enforcement who are still considering further charges. I also had the pleasure of meeting up with some of the Indiana locals like Alyssa, Chloe, Justin, and Vero. During this week, I also spoke with Spice Girl Lainey, heard from earlier in this episode, and conducted other off-the-record interviews.
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November 8th, 2024, my final day in Indiana, Stoner called me for the 11th time.
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We'll continue to hear the remainder of my phone calls with Stoner, where she provides comment to her list of allegations. We also met Hannah last episode, a Facebook community member who was in conversation with Stoner's Yoni practitioner, Haribo, providing him information about Stoner's crimes. Here's Hannah.
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My last call with Stoner took place on November 13th, 2024, two days before her jail release and over a month into this season.
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Bye-bye. On November 15th, 2024, Megan Stoner was released from Hamilton County Jail. Within hours, she was back to her old ways, messaging people on social media asking for money. Within hours, she was also texting me. Despite me telling Megan multiple times, we had nothing further to discuss if she wasn't going to comment further.
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There have also been multiple reports of Stoner and a few of her accomplices harassing victims and myself. Stoner even tried to propose that she start her own podcast to interview her victims to pay them back to a victim who has told Stoner repeatedly not to contact him since summer of 2023. Megan Elizabeth Stoner, are you absolutely delusional?
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Do you have no sense of the pain and the emotional turmoil that you have caused your victims and community? Have you no remorse about the resources you waste that could help real victims? Have you no respect for the death of children and your family, which you so recklessly use as a tool for your manipulation?
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Your attempts to attack and discredit your victims and the truth are baseless and remorseless. You play the victim in the chaos that you create. Also, FYI, it isn't very smart to harass your victims while on probation, especially when some of these victims are still involved in the state's ongoing investigation of you. At a certain point, one could argue witness intimidation is the goal.
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My team and I have spent six plus months studying your bullshit, Megan. In my endless conversations with you, you never expressed genuine remorse or a sense of awareness of your impact on others. Your posts on social media since your release only confirm what your critics report. You're a parasite, a liar, a thief, and a joke.
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I'd like to say I hope you learn from your mistakes, but you never have before, and your attitudes and behavior since your release only underline everything I've thought to be true. You may think you're in the clear, but guess what, Megan? Through my investigation, I've found other victims. and they've connected with the state police.
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And you and I both know what's been covered on this season of the podcast is only scratching the surface of what you've done. And though this season may be wrapping up for now, just know we're still fighting for the victims and we won't stop. Thank you so much for listening. Something Was Wrong is a Broken Cycle Media production, created and produced by me, Tiffany Reese.
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Thank you so much to our associate producers, Amy B. Chesler and Lily Rowe. Thank you to our audio engineer, Becca High, and our social media marketing manager, Lauren Barkman of Luxury Media. Additional thanks to our partners, Grant at Wondery, Marissa, Travis, and our team at WME, Jason and Jennifer at KSCO, our cybersecurity team, Darkbox Security, and my lawyer, Alan.
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And to all of you who make our show possible with your support and listenership. Special shout out to Neon Honey and Gabanes for covering our theme song, Gladrag's original song, You Think You, this season. For more music from them, check out the episode notes or your favorite streaming app.
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In the episode notes, you'll always find content warnings, sources, and resources, with links to our websites and social media as well. Thank you so much to every survivor and ally who has trusted us to help share their stories. We are forever grateful. Until next time, stay safe, friends.
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The best part? All Quince items are priced 50-80% less than similar brands. By partnering directly with top factories, Quince cuts out the cost of the middleman and passes the savings to us. And Quince only works with factories that use safe, ethical, and responsible manufacturing practices. All of their products are made of premium fabrics and finishes. I love that.
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Give yourself the luxury you deserve with Quince. Go to quince.com slash SWW for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns. That's Q-U-I-N-C-E I finally feel like I'm getting back into the swing of things after the new year, and I'm trying to focus on small attainable goals, and Thrive Market is helping me achieve one of them, which is to eat more often and healthier snacks.
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Thrive Market makes it so much easier to find better options without all the hassle. One of my favorite features is the healthy swap scanner in the Thrive Market app. Scan any item and it'll instantly suggest a cleaner, healthier alternative. So for me, this means even simple things like popcorn or crackers.
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I also love shopping their beauty section and I've found so many brands that I had never heard of before that have really affordable non-toxic formulas. And the best part is everything gets delivered safely right to my door every time and I get savings on every order. If you've been following the podcast for a long time, you know I have been a Thrive Market fan for quite some time.
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During my investigation, I conducted interviews with Spice Girls' Alex and Lainey and a few other off-the-record interviews to gather more evidence of Stoner's many alleged crimes. I spoke to Stoner on October 2nd about these interviews and about speaking to Indiana State Police.
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This podcast is intended for mature audiences and discusses topics that may be upsetting. For a full content warning, sources, and resources, please visit the episode notes. Opinions shared by the guests of the show are their own and do not necessarily represent the views of myself, Broken Cycle Media, or Wondery.
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The podcast and any linked materials should not be misconstrued as a substitution for legal or medical advice. Megan Stoner's responses to these allegations are addressed within this season. I'm Tiffany Reese, and this is Something Was Wrong. Last episode, we learned how Alex led the charge in uncovering the mysteries behind Stoner's Teslas.
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Alex connected with Stephen of Mason Motors, who pursued a civil lawsuit against Stoner for inadequate pay and falsifying insurance documents. The case documents also revealed allegations that Stoner had stolen the identity of her ex-roommate. And although Stephen and his company Mason Motors won the civil case,
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Stoner has yet to pay the judgment of $68,002.10 and further criminal charges have not been pursued at this time. When my team and I first started working on this case, summer of 2024, I spoke with community member and former Politico Justin in one of my early interviews. I'm so thankful to Justin and all of the participants this season for their time.
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In one of our early interviews, Justin prepared me for my first conversation with Megan.
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That's next time on the season finale of Something Was Wrong. Thank you so much for listening. Something Was Wrong is a Broken Cycle Media production, created and produced by me, Tiffany Reese. Thank you so much to our associate producers, Amy B. Chesler and Lily Rowe. Thank you to our audio engineer, Becca High, and our social media marketing manager, Lauren Barkman of Luxury Media.
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Additional thanks to our partners, Grant at Wondery, Marissa, Travis, and our team at WME, Jason and Jennifer at KSCO, our cybersecurity team, Darkbox Security, and my lawyer, Alan. And to all of you who make our show possible with your support and listenership. Special shout out to Neon Honey and Gabanes for covering our theme song, Gladrag's original song, You Think You, this season.
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For more music from them, check out the episode notes or your favorite streaming app. In the episode notes, you'll always find content warnings, sources, and resources, with links to our websites and social media as well. Thank you so much to every survivor and ally who has trusted us to help share their stories. We are forever grateful. Until next time, stay safe, friends.
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If you like Something Was Wrong, you can listen early and ad-free right now by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Before you go, tell us about yourself by filling out a short survey at wondery.com slash survey.
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When speaking with someone like Megan Stoner, I knew I had to play my cards correctly. This is why you'll often hear me playing dumb with Megan. I don't want to come across too strong, as I want to keep her talking, but I'm also trying to get her to give me information. At this point, the police had already visited Stoner in jail to try and get her to talk and she refused.
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But I also knew that Stoner loves attention more than anyone I've ever studied or encountered. She loves it so much that she often puts her own best interest to the side in order to get it.
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My second jailhouse call with Stoner was on September 27th, 2024, while she was creating plans for her looming release on November 15th.
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All Quince items are priced 50-80% less than similar brands. By partnering directly with top factories, Quince cuts out the cost of the middleman and passes the savings to us. And Quince only works with factories that use safe, ethical, and responsible manufacturing practices. All of their products are made of premium fabrics and finishes. I love that.
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Give yourself the luxury you deserve with Quince. Go to quince.com slash SWW for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns. That's Q-U-I-N-C-E You know that ding means you're going somewhere exciting. But do you know what this one means?
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On December 19th, 2024, Stoner pled guilty to three criminal misdemeanor charges in Elwood, Indiana. One was for a criminal misdemeanor case opened on July 12th, 2023 for violation of driving conditions pursuant to distracted driving and driving while suspended.
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The other criminal misdemeanor she pled guilty to was opened on July 31, 2023, for possession-slash-display of fictitious-slash-suspended altered driver's license, operating a motor vehicle without financial responsibility, speeding, and driving while suspended. The third criminal misdemeanor case was for a case opened on August 2, 2023, for theft.
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On September 19th, Stoner's Anderson City Court case was closed and her, quote, probation was closed due to defendant's incarceration, end quote. This case was Stoner's criminal misdemeanor opened on March 1st, 2022, for operating a vehicle while intoxicated, endangering a person, operating a vehicle with a Schedule I or II controlled substance, and speeding.
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S22 E11: Double Down (Finale Part 1)
As of December 23rd, 2024, Stoner still has an outstanding balance of $682 for her fine, court costs, and filing fees for this case. In relation to the other cases she pled guilty to, she was ordered to pay a $250 fine. Back in September, my second call with Stoner abruptly ended because of bad cell service.
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S22 E11: Double Down (Finale Part 1)
My next call with her was three days later, on September 30th, 2024, where we jumped back into reviewing the timeline of her crimes once again.
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