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How Your Mind Changes Over Time & The Upside of Uncertainty - SYSK Choice

Sat, 01 Mar 2025

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Chapter 1: What do the letters RX mean in medicine?

174.758 - 205.581 Mike Carruthers

Hey, hi, welcome to Something You Should Know. When you hear the letters RX together, you probably think of medicine. I mean, you see RX at the drugstore, on signs, and on bottles of medication. But what does RX have to do with medicine? Well, the R part of the symbol stands for the Latin recipe, which means take this. The X part of the symbol is derived from the symbol for the Roman god Jupiter.

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Chapter 2: How does your mind change as you age?

206.262 - 237.733 Mike Carruthers

It represents a prayer or invocation to Jupiter that the treatment would result in a cure with divine help. So our X really means take this and pray. And that is something you should know. Trying to understand the human mind, what it is, how it works, how it shapes and creates who you are, it all sounds really interesting, but also seems like a difficult thing to get your head around.

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238.615 - 260.199 Mike Carruthers

I mean, part of the problem is there's a lot about the mind and the brain we don't really know or understand. But there's also a lot we do understand. And here to explain that in a way we can all grasp and understand is Paul Bloom. Paul's a professor of psychology at the University of Toronto and professor emeritus of psychology at Yale.

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260.639 - 286.587 Mike Carruthers

And he's author of a book called Psych, The Story of the Human Mind. Hi, Paul. Welcome to Something You Should Know. Hey, thanks for having me here. So let's start with happiness because I think we all want to be happy. Everybody has a sense of what makes them happy personally. But on a scientific level, what is it that makes brains, minds, human beings happy?

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287.668 - 308.83 Paul Scheer

I'll tell you two obvious things, then I'll tell you two less obvious things. Money makes people happy. For a long time, psychologists were saying the opposite. And of course, I don't mean everybody who has money is happy and everybody who's poor is unhappy, but there's a definite relationship in how much money you make and how happy you are, both for individuals and also within countries.

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309.191 - 333.005 Paul Scheer

So richer countries have happier citizens than poorer countries. And Like I say, that's kind of obvious. Money buys things like health care and luxuries and freedom and protection from various harms, lets you pay for luxuries, lets you travel, lets you take time off work. That's obvious fact number one. Obvious fact number two is the tremendous value of social connections.

Chapter 3: What makes people happy at different ages?

333.845 - 356.37 Paul Scheer

I mean, your grandmother could have told you this, but it's good to have friends. It's good to have families. We have people who love and respect you. Yes, there are happy loners, but on average, being alone is not good for your soul. So that's some obvious things. I'll tell you two non-obvious ones that you may not have known. One is happiness changes in the lifespan, and

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357.233 - 380.352 Paul Scheer

I'll ask you again, let's see, maybe you'll, you'll prove me wrong. When are people the happiest in their lives? I would think in childhood. It's a good guess. And they are not unhappy in childhood. They get, they're, they're pretty happy as children. Childhood depression is, is rare, but that's not the answer. People are happiest on average in their seventies and their eighties.

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381.273 - 397.214 Paul Scheer

In fact, what, uh, what happiness shows if you graph it over time is a perfect you. where you start off pretty happy, you've got childhood, you dip, dip, dip, until you're about your mid-50s. And honestly, for a lot of people, that's the worst time of their lives.

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398.674 - 416.758 Paul Scheer

And then it creeps back up again until when you get to your 70s and 80s, until the very last period when maybe bad health really takes over. You are typically happier when you were an adolescent, happier than as a child, happier than in midlife. And this finding's been replicated all around the world.

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417.614 - 441.094 Mike Carruthers

A lot of the reason that I think people look back on their childhood as happy is because you're looking back. You kind of forget the bad things. And nothing bad can happen in your past because that's all done. So you can look at it through these kind of rose-colored glasses where today God knows what's going to happen. I could get hit by a bus. And so that makes me maybe less happy. I don't know.

441.795 - 458.199 Paul Scheer

It brings us back to memory. Where if I think about my childhood, sometimes I just dredge up some happy pictures, happy events, and forget about all of the times where I was miserable. And if you have young kids, young kids are very sad a lot of the time. They're bored, they're lonely.

459.199 - 477.846 Paul Scheer

You wouldn't think old age is the time for happiness because your health is declining, your power is declining, maybe your social status is declining. But the mindset changes. Your personality shifts in various ways. you're less neurotic, you're more conscientious, and you could become satisfied and attain a sort of wisdom.

478.806 - 487.068 Paul Scheer

And I think a lot of talk of wisdom is often nonsense, but the happiness data is just clear. People who are much older will tell you that they're much happier.

487.548 - 499.291 Mike Carruthers

It would seem to me that one of the reasons you wouldn't be happier when you're older is you're so much closer to the edge of the cliff that you will one day fall off that you weren't 25 years ago.

Chapter 4: Do children or adults experience more happiness?

552.25 - 560.994 Mike Carruthers

Well, but it's also, you often hear something like, It's the greatest thing I ever did. And it's the hardest thing I ever did.

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562.556 - 588.688 Paul Scheer

I think that's exactly right. And I actually think that asking about happiness is sometimes the wrong question. We want to maximize different things in our lives. We want to be happy, like a pleasure, but we also want to be good and we want to live meaningful lives. And I think that, Having children is an extraordinarily, for many of us, deep and meaningful and important decision.

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588.728 - 601.356 Paul Scheer

It means a lot, it matters a lot. My children are now off in the world, but I define myself as a parent. And that's different from saying, oh, it made me happy. Like a hot foot Sunday would make me happy.

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602.396 - 608.16 Mike Carruthers

So let's talk about good and evil. I've always been fascinated by why some people

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609.019 - 633.369 Paul Scheer

do good for the world and feel compelled to and feel rewarded by doing that and other people take the other path there's even the broader question before that which is why do we do good at all why is an animal that evolved through natural selection capable of kindness and love and caring not just to its kin because there's evolution explanation why you take care of your kin

633.868 - 660.709 Paul Scheer

But to friends, to strangers, we care a lot about things like natural disasters across the world. We give money to save people we had never met. I think that's extraordinary and beautiful. And studying moral psychology is my day job as a researcher. And I find it extremely interesting and really important. But your question about differences also weighs heavily.

661.569 - 687.278 Paul Scheer

And I guess you have to say two things about that. One is there's natural variation in every aspect of a person, every physical aspect. We're taller or shorter. We burn in the sun or we don't. Our knees ache when we walk or they don't. There's all these variations. And the same holds true once you go above the neck. Some of us are extroverted, others aren't. Some of us are timid. Some are fearful.

687.738 - 711.836 Paul Scheer

Some like to joke around, others more serious. And the variation extends through morality. Some people are more aggressive than other people. Some people care more, are more sympathetic, are more empathetic. And there's natural variance you see. Some of it's that genetic that you will see even in a kid. Some two-year-olds are not all the same when it comes to how they treat others.

712.847 - 737.405 Paul Scheer

So that's part of it. The other part is I think we're too quick to see the behavior of others that we see as evil. I don't know, take an example from a while ago, the bombing of the Twin Towers on 9-11. We see this as evil, I think correctly so. But what we forget is that the perpetrators don't see themselves as evil. The perpetrators often see themselves as good.

Chapter 5: How do genetics and environment shape personality?

780.043 - 793.359 Paul Scheer

It's an interesting question. Um, a lot of my research involves, I said, I studied moral psychology, often studying children. So there's a profound difference between a five year old and a 10 year old. and a 10-year-old and a 15-year-old.

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794.04 - 820.182 Paul Scheer

And this is in part could be explained because the brain's a physical organ and grows and ages and atrophies, just like our knees and our bellies and our spines do. And it could be part explained in terms of experience. As you get more and more experience, you change. But we know even in adulthood there are profound changes. Some of them are bad. Your mental speed gets slower after a certain point.

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820.99 - 846.218 Paul Scheer

You might know a lot, you might have what they call crystallized intelligence, but you're just not as quick. The quickness fades. That's one part of it. On the positive side, there's been these studies, not just in America, but of dozens of different countries, finding regular personality changes in aging. And what you find is as people age, their personalities on average get a little bit better.

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847.233 - 864.741 Paul Scheer

They become less belligerent, more understanding, more agreeable. They're more conscientious. You could trust them more. They're less neurotic about things. We seem to kind of, to some extent, mellow out maybe once we pass 30 or 40. Oh, thank God.

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866.881 - 875.005 Mike Carruthers

I'm speaking with Paul Bloom. He's a professor of psychology at the University of Toronto and author of the book, Psych, The Story of the Human Mind.

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933.777 - 961.506 Mike Carruthers

So, Paul, since you study children, here's something. As somebody who has been through the foster parent and adoption business, you often hear people talk and they will offer their opinion about, well, I hope you intervened early because once a kid hits and fill in the blank, 8, 10, it's too late. It's too late. Is there any evidence that that's true or is that just some...

Chapter 6: Can trauma lead to personal growth?

1260.799 - 1286.799 Mike Carruthers

You mentioned earlier that experiences that we have help shape who we are. And we all have big experiences. Sometimes, very oftentimes, we have very bad experiences, traumatic experiences. And then there's that saying of, you know, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. So what does the science say about how trauma impacts who you are?

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1287.898 - 1307.591 Paul Scheer

You know, there's a story going around. Everyone knows about post-traumatic stress disorder, when trauma damages you. But there's a story going around about what sometimes people call post-traumatic growth, where they argue that certain sorts of trauma, you come out of it on the other side better than you were. And I've always been very skeptical about that.

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1307.751 - 1329.337 Paul Scheer

And it turns out that when the big studies are done, it turns out not to be true. Trauma is very rarely good for you. And so again, more common sense advice from a psychologist, try to avoid bad things from happening to you. So you're not going to get tremendous benefits from trauma. But now here's the good news. The good news is we are far more resilient than we thought we were.

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1330.558 - 1346.369 Paul Scheer

The typical effects of even the very worst experiences are they mess you up for a while and then you get over them and you're back to normal. Post-traumatic stress disorder, psychological harm and so on are the exceptions and not the rule.

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1348.71 - 1355.373 Mike Carruthers

That's interesting. So the notion that what doesn't kill you makes you stronger is not true at all.

1355.794 - 1367.999 Paul Scheer

Total nonsense. Wishful thinking. Wishful thinking, which by the way can lead, I think is often cruel. Someone whose child dies and you say, well, you're going to come at it as a better person. You know, stronger, wiser. Who would say that? How could you say that?

1368.019 - 1369.02 Mike Carruthers

What a horrible thing to say.

1370.93 - 1390.016 Paul Scheer

Well, I know people who believe it. And there was an article in the New York Times recently that somebody said, I went through some terrible trauma, yet I don't seem to be a better person. What's wrong with me? And I wanted to scream, no, you're not supposed to be a better person. Something bad happened to you. Work to recover. And again, the good news is we're good at recovering.

1390.777 - 1398.159 Paul Scheer

But what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. I guess one of Nietzsche's aphorisms has to be the dumbest thing a philosopher has ever said.

Chapter 7: How accurate is our self-perception?

1566.453 - 1572.078 Kyle Hege

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1645.789 - 1671.75 Mike Carruthers

You can't be sure what the future will bring. Now that can be exciting, and it can also be scary. The fact is we're wired to be afraid of uncertainty because, well, bad things can happen. So can good things, but often the fear of the bad things prevents us from going after the good things. And that fear does seem to affect some people more than others. So what can we do about this?

1671.79 - 1696.129 Mike Carruthers

How can we make uncertainty our friend? Well, joining me to discuss this is Nathan Furr. Nathan is a professor who studies and teaches about innovation and technology. He's the author of four books on innovation, and the latest one is one he co-wrote with his wife Susanna called The Upside of Uncertainty. Hey, Nathan, welcome to Something You Should Know. Thank you for having me.

1696.929 - 1719.154 Mike Carruthers

So as you look into the future, the uncertainty of the future, good things can happen and bad things can happen. We as human beings seem more afraid of the bad things, that we're more concerned about bad things happening than we are about the prospect of the good that comes if good things happen. And so why is that?

1720.356 - 1746.788 Nathan Furr

Well, you know, think about it, you know, 10,000 years ago, there wasn't a lot to be gained from going far from your normal routine, right? You know, you're probably going to get lost, get hungry, get eaten, get something, you know, you're And so over a million years, our brains wired us to fear uncertainty, but something fundamental has changed. And that is we no longer live in that environment.

1746.848 - 1769.123 Nathan Furr

In fact, we live in an environment where actually there's a lot of benefits to stepping into the unknown, taking a risk. We've created a safe environment for ourselves physically, and then technology has lowered all the barriers to create new things and transact and interact. So we actually live in a realm of immense possibility, but with wiring for something that's different.

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