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Exhuming the Truth

Wed, 21 May 2025

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Two years after his divorce from Cassandra Smith, Bill Flint survived a murder attempt, having been beaten and shot. And then Cassandra’s second husband tried to kill Bill with a hitman. In May 2002, Bill died of an apparent heart attack, but Professor James Starrs, a forensic scientist, believed he was murdered. At his own expense, he had Bill's body exhumed. “48 Hours" Correspondent Richard Schlesinger reports. This classic "48 Hours" episode last aired on 8/19/2006. Watch all-new episodes of “48 Hours” on Saturdays, and stream on demand on Paramount+. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Chapter 1: What was the reason for exhuming Bill Flint's body?

12.025 - 32.152 James E. Starrs

There are those people who think that it's rather ghoulish or indeed sacrilegious to dig up the graves of people. I don't look at it that way as long as there is a substantial justifiable reason for doing so. It is the difference between being a grave robber and being a grave digger. I'm a grave digger.

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34.013 - 70.802 James E. Starrs

My name is James E. Starrs and I am a professor of forensic sciences at the George Washington University. I knew nothing about Bill Flint or his death or his family until I received a phone call. It was quite clear from the records that Bill Flint was a marked man. Two different people connected to his former wife, with whom he had been in a custody dispute over their child.

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71.622 - 73.823 Unidentified Friend of Taylor

We used to tell him he was like a cat with nine lives.

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75.224 - 81.847 James E. Starrs

He was shot twice. He survived it. He was bludgeoned his head and survived that.

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82.95 - 85.371 Unidentified Friend of Taylor

When that didn't work, they called a hitman.

86.472 - 94.536 Unnamed Officer

He and his brother-in-law wanted a professional to do it. He was dead serious and very determined. I mean, he'd come to do business, and that's what he wanted done.

96.057 - 100.199 James E. Starrs

Bill Flint was a unique person. He was kind. He was loving.

100.619 - 102.32 Janet Pellisara

I loved my father very much.

103.08 - 105.541 James E. Starrs

Loved his family very deeply, particularly his daughter.

Chapter 2: How did Bill Flint survive multiple murder attempts?

151.557 - 153.378 Unnamed Officer

Secrets from the grave.

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166.997 - 170.559 Unnamed Officer

You're a dead man, man. You're dead. Yeah? Yeah.

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172.06 - 175.882 Unidentified Friend of Taylor

They'd already shot him. They'd already beat him with a lead pipe.

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177.964 - 186.209 Narrator

Bill Flint spent his life cheating death. Not once, not twice, but three times.

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191.872 - 194.474 Unnamed Officer

The bullet had passed through his neck and exited out near his ear.

195.635 - 197.276 Unidentified Friend of Taylor

He was beaten all over his head.

197.716 - 199.096 Unnamed Officer

So many things happened to that guy.

199.556 - 201.277 Unidentified Friend of Taylor

I mean, who could survive all of that?

204.158 - 209.859 Narrator

His friends say this is a story of how a lot of bad things happen to a really good person.

Chapter 3: What circumstances led to Bill Flint's divorce?

259.858 - 267.026 Narrator

Bill grew up, moved to Texas, and became an industrial electrician, but he always stayed in touch with his family.

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267.587 - 275.696 Tom Hetrick (Peggy's Brother)

When he'd greet you, he'd give you a big hug and say, I love you. You know, I love you, Uncle Tom. And that was just his way of greeting.

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279.022 - 288.829 Narrator

His simple life started to get complicated in 1988. He met Cassandra Smith at Livingstone's church. A few months later, they were married.

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289.449 - 296.734 Tom Hetrick (Peggy's Brother)

She probably came out to him as a loving, gentle person or something. I'm sure that's what he was looking for, someone like himself.

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298.255 - 306.321 Narrator

According to Bill's close friends, Liz and Tim Engledow, the true love of Bill's life arrived a year later, his daughter.

306.94 - 310.382 Unidentified Friend of Taylor

Oh, he loved her to death. He was a great father. Hi, Daddy.

311.102 - 314.564 Unnamed Officer

He brought her with him to work all the time on the weekends and stuff, you know.

315.865 - 318.426 Unidentified Friend of Taylor

Took her to dance, took her to the Girl Scouts.

320.127 - 324.85 Narrator

Bill's daughter asked us not to use her real name. We'll call her Jane.

Chapter 4: What accusations did Cassandra Smith make against Bill Flint?

361.428 - 363.309 Unnamed Officer

Daddy loves Mommy.

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364.449 - 366.711 Unnamed Officer

Bill and Cassandra seemed to be coming together a little.

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366.731 - 380.137 Narrator

But it just seemed that way until December of 1993 when Bill Flint learned, to his great surprise, that he and Cassandra were divorced. What was his first clue that he was divorced?

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380.557 - 387.92 Unidentified Friend of Taylor

Well, when the sheriff showed up at the door to escort him off the property. That's a good clue. Yes. Very good clue.

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388.18 - 395.966 Narrator

That's right. Cassandra Flint not only pursued a divorce without telling her husband or her marriage counselor, she got one.

396.587 - 405.454 Unnamed Officer

She did that... I don't want to say sneaky. She did that behind... I think you do want to say sneaky. Behind our backs. Neither Bill or I was aware that she was going for a divorce.

406.221 - 418.764 Narrator

Okay, I'm coming. According to Betty Yarter, the Texas country lawyer Bill eventually had to hire, Bill never knew a divorce trial had been scheduled because the court only had an old address for him.

419.425 - 423.026 Unnamed Officer

And this happened to be his old work address, which he no longer worked at.

425.006 - 441.047 Narrator

Bill's absence from the courtroom cost him enormously, and set in motion a battle that would rage for the next seven years over their daughter. Cassandra claimed that Jane, when she was two years old, had told her Bill had molested her.

Chapter 5: What happened during the murder attempt on Bill Flint?

519.838 - 521.12 Unnamed Officer

that she says he threatened to kill her.

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521.52 - 525.786 Narrator

Cassandra didn't just say Bill tried to kill her, she pressed charges.

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526.367 - 530.633 Unnamed Officer

In state Texas, it's considered a terroristic threat. So he got arrested. That's right.

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539.56 - 548.923 Narrator

And this time, Bill faced a jury trial, but it didn't take long at all. In fact, almost as soon as the jurors went out, they were back with a verdict.

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549.543 - 556.705 Unnamed Officer

I had not completed smoking my cigarette outside the courthouse before the bailiff was tapping on the window saying, jury's back.

556.725 - 559.086 Janet Pellisara

Sam, can you just talk about how you're feeling?

559.126 - 570.461 Narrator

I know this is- The verdict was not guilty, but it was not over for Bill. He decided to fight for full custody of his daughter And that's when things started getting dangerous.

570.681 - 592.03 Unnamed Officer

You're not too popular around here. That's why I'm in town, to take care of you.

601.101 - 606.983 Narrator

Bill Flint's life was being threatened by his ex-wife's brother, Ralph Smith.

Chapter 6: How did the investigation into Bill Flint's murder unfold?

691.622 - 701.509 Howard Hester

He was hollering, Charlton Andress and Smith did this to me. I want to make sure that you know who did this to me in case I die.

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703.874 - 708.618 Unnamed Officer

The guy was in just horrible condition. He had lacerations all over his head from being beaten.

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708.938 - 731.456 Narrator

Detective Kevin Chrislip was amazed Bill Flint was still alive after being attacked and shot. A bullet had missed Flint's spinal cord by just two millimeters. The bullet had passed through his neck and exited out near his ear. When he recovered, Bill Flint told a television reporter he was sure his ex-wife was behind the shooting.

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731.916 - 740.005 Unnamed Officer

There's no doubt in my mind. Her brother and her husband came to do it, and there was somebody driving the car.

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740.766 - 763.632 Narrator

Despite his suspicions, Bill never saw Cassandra that morning. When the police went looking for her brother, Ralph Smith, he had vanished. And when they found her husband, Charlton Andrus, he denied everything. But then Detective Chrislip got a call from Charlton's own daughter saying he had confessed to her. He finally admitted to her that he had, in fact, shot Mr. Flynn.

764.372 - 788.965 Narrator

and charlton's daughter said something else about cassandra she reluctantly signed an affidavit saying her father quote told me that cassandra had not seen anything because she was two blocks away but he also told me that she knew what he was going to do to the guy you think his wife was involved i believe everything that that we investigated pointed to the fact that she was

791.109 - 808.133 Narrator

Still, there wasn't enough evidence to arrest Cassandra, but police did have enough to arrest her husband, Charlton Andrus, for attempted murder. And when they showed up to bring him in, Cassandra gave them more than enough reason to take her to jail too, on a different charge.

808.823 - 813.367 Susan Spencer

I walked up to her and she slaps my hand down. And I said, don't put your hands on me, get out of the way.

813.807 - 823.214 Narrator

Cassandra slapped Lieutenant Susan Clifton a second time and both women fell to the ground. Clifton tried to arrest Cassandra, but it wasn't easy.

Chapter 7: What was the outcome of the charges against Cassandra and her husband?

879.491 - 885.154 Narrator

Even though he had never been indicted, he was still being asked if there was any truth to the abuse charges.

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885.794 - 887.155 Unnamed Officer

No. No, there's not.

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887.735 - 891.837 Narrator

And Bill was convinced Cassandra was turning his daughter against him.

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892.458 - 893.198 Unnamed Officer

Hi, Daddy.

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894.559 - 896.78 Unnamed Officer

We were having good phone conversations.

897.28 - 897.861 Unnamed Officer

Hi, Mom.

898.701 - 899.882 Unnamed Officer

Her mom just cut it off.

901.102 - 905.905 Narrator

And then Jane started to leave messages, very disturbing messages.

913.397 - 913.677 Janet Pellisara

Bye.

Chapter 8: What role did the police play in the murder plot against Bill Flint?

973.832 - 990.102 Narrator

While he admits his role in the attack on Bill, Ralph to this day will not implicate his sister, nor will her husband, Charlton Andrus. I'm here, and I'm telling you, she wasn't there. She wasn't there. Was she in the neighborhood? Because I was there. You were there. Yeah.

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990.202 - 990.802 Unnamed Officer

Yeah, I know.

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991.142 - 998.287 Narrator

Did Cassandra... have anything to do with that attack on Bill Flint that morning? Did she ask you to do it?

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998.967 - 999.188 Unnamed Officer

No.

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999.568 - 1000.509 Narrator

Who asked you to do it?

1001.91 - 1012.758 Unnamed Officer

Her husband. Do you remember what he said to you? He basically said that we need to go ahead and teach this guy a lesson and beat him up.

1014.099 - 1021.905 Narrator

Cassandra was never charged with Bill's attack, but she was tried for resisting arrest. Murphy Classing prosecuted her.

1022.5 - 1028.684 Murphy Classing

Well, this was the only defendant that I ever prosecuted that I was actually concerned would retaliate at the end of the case.

1028.704 - 1030.224 Narrator

Retaliate? Against you?

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