The Rachel Maddow Show
'The time is now to stand up!': Eric Holder sounds alarm on Trump's war on the rule of law
Fri, 11 Apr 2025
Former Attorney General Eric Holder talks with Rachel Maddow about Donald Trump's efforts to intimidate the legal system in the United States and bend it to his will, and emphasizes the importance of the American legal community standing together and pushing back in defense of the rule of law. "The time is now to stand up and do all that we can to fight this administration."
Chapter 1: Who is Eric Holder and why is his perspective important on Trump's policies?
We do have Obama administration Attorney General Eric Holder here tonight. I have been trying to get him to do an interview here on the show for a gazillion years, but he is here tonight. And boy, what a night for it. I'm really, really, really looking forward to that conversation. I hope you are as well. That is coming up in just a moment. This was Springfield, Massachusetts today.
Protesters were outside of the federal building on Main Street in Springfield, chanting. We say fight back. Holding signs that read, hands off our social security. The group made up of concerned citizens and advocacy organizations believe social security that supports 73 million Americans is in danger.
The changes that this government is trying to impose have a great deal of pain for a lot of people.
Their concerns are centered around the Doge cuts to Social Security and the modernization of online systems, as well as the threat of a cutoff of telephone services that was scheduled to take effect April 14, but has since been pushed back.
The good news is that pushback has happened a little bit and worked a little bit. We all have to do more. No time to stop.
The Social Security Administration plans to cut over 7,000 employees and to close regional offices, which people worry could create an even bigger problem. Seniors and disabled residents tell 22 News this could break the system and interrupt benefit payments.
This is really dire. This is just going to throw a lot of old people and people with disabilities on the street. This is unconscionable. I can't imagine. What are they thinking?
That was Springfield, Massachusetts, just today. This was Washington, D.C., today. As the Republicans did today, managed to pass their budget plan through the House. They tried last night, couldn't do it, pulled it at the last minute. But then they got it through today. It will trade huge tax cuts.
benefiting the richest people in the country for huge Medicaid cuts, taking healthcare benefits away from more than 70 million regular Americans. People turned out today in Washington to protest that.
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Chapter 2: What are the public reactions to changes in Social Security?
Well, in this ruling tonight, the Supreme Court has weighed in and they have ordered that this man from Maryland, Kilmar Abrego Garcia, they have ordered that he has to be returned to the United States, maybe? I say maybe, and I say this is still a developing story. I'm just gonna show you and tell you exactly what the Supreme Court said. And you tell me if you can figure it out.
This is an unsigned order that was issued on behalf of a unanimous Supreme Court And it first says that that Monday night deadline, that deadline that the Maryland judge had set for earlier this week, saying that guy had to be brought back by 1159 p.m. on Monday night, the Supreme Court first says that obviously that deadline is no longer binding because that deadline has passed.
So that part of the judge's order cannot be seen as still being in effect. OK, I get that. But then they say, aside from that deadline, quote, the rest of the district court's order remains in effect. Well, the rest of the judge's order was to bring the guy back, right?
I mean, at this point in the ruling, it seems like the Supreme Court is saying, Kilmar Abrego-Garcia needs to be brought back to this country from El Salvador, right? I mean, that was the judge's order. By 11.59 p.m. on Monday, bring the guy back. They're saying, we're not going to do the 11.59 p.m. on Monday part. But yeah, the rest of the order still stands.
Sounds like the Supreme Court is ordering that they need to bring the guy back. But then, even in this very, very short order, the Supreme Court makes a very squishy case of it. I mean, look for yourself. This is the exact language. I mean, the rest of the district court's order remains in effect, but requires clarification on remand.
When they say remand, they mean when we sent it back to that lower court. The ruling says the lower court judge's order properly requires the Trump administration to, quote, facilitate Mr. Abrego Garcia's release from custody in El Salvador and to ensure that his case is handled as it would have been had he not been improperly sent to El Salvador.
But the intended scope of the term effectuate in the district court's order is unclear, and it may exceed the district court's authority. Huh? The district court should clarify its directive with due regard for the deference owed to the executive branch in the conduct of foreign affairs.
For its part, the government should be prepared to share what it can concerning the steps it has taken and the prospect of further steps. The administration should be prepared to share what they can? What is this, group therapy? Do you feel you can share? Do you want the talking pillow? Are we going to have a tissue issue? Do you want me to? The government should be prepared to share what it can.
It would appear that the United States Supreme Court is ordering that the Trump administration cannot randomly take literally anyone off the street and send them to a foreign hellhole prison, potentially for the rest of their life, without giving that person a chance to argue against it in court. But the Supreme Court also appears to be quite afraid to just say so.
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Chapter 3: How are students affected by Trump's visa policies?
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