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The Gay Affair: Exposing Harvard's Integrity Crisis | 2.1.25

Sat, 1 Feb 2025

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In her new book The Gay Affair, Dr. Carol Swain exposes the plagiarism scandal involving Harvard’s former president Claudine Gay, and critiques the failures plaguing elite academia. Get the facts first on Morning Wire.

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3.171 - 16.076 Narrator

Following now infamous congressional testimony on pervasive antisemitism at Harvard, the university's then president, Claudine Gay, was accused of widespread plagiarism, which ultimately caused her to step down.

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16.677 - 26.821 Narrator

One of the sources she allegedly drew from was the scholarship of Dr. Carol Swain, who has since written a book documenting the research that was stolen from her and the sequence of events.

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27.642 - 42.527 John Bickley

In this episode, we sit down with Dr. Swain to discuss her case and what she says are the systemic failures plaguing elite academia. I'm Daily Wire Editor-in-Chief John Bickley with Georgia Howe. It's Saturday, February 1st, and this is a weekend edition of Morning Wire.

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46.928 - 56.611 Georgia Howe

Joining us now to discuss the alleged plagiarism of her work by Harvard's former president and the academic integrity crisis is Dr. Carol Swain. Dr. Swain, thank you for joining us.

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57.196 - 58.138 Dr. Carol Swain

Certainly my pleasure.

58.759 - 72.3 Georgia Howe

Now, in your new book, The Gay Affair, you recount your own experience as a victim of alleged plagiarism by Claudine Gay, Harvard's first black president. First, how did this experience shape your perspective on the systemic failures you critique in the book?

73.004 - 98.826 Dr. Carol Swain

I can tell you that discovering that I had been victimized 26 years ago was a shocker. And then the process, what I watched unfold over the next few months was very eye-opening. Because in the past, when people were caught plagiarizing, If they were journalists, they paid a price. And institutions used to monitor that.

98.966 - 112.713 Dr. Carol Swain

But I learned that in the case of Claudine Gay and Harvard, what they did was stand behind her and even try to redefine plagiarism as duplicative language without attribution.

113.313 - 122.018 Georgia Howe

Yeah. Can you walk us through that? We followed it very closely here. But for any listeners who didn't, how exactly did Harvard respond to those accusations that came to light?

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