Co-host of the Drill Down podcast, Eric Eggers breaks down the DOGE data revealing how Elon Musk has identified and cut billions in federal spending, from USAID programs to bloated real estate leases. Get the facts first on Morning Wire.
Chapter 1: What are the latest cost-cutting measures by Elon Musk's Doge initiative?
This week, Secretary of State Marco Rubio announced that he was slashing more than 80% of the programs funded by USAID. The move comes as the Elon Musk-led Doge continues to add to its running list of cost-saving measures, which it says have now topped $100 billion.
In this episode, we sit down with the Government Accountability Institute's Eric Eggers to discuss the accomplishments of Doge, as well as the headwinds it faces in the coming months. I'm Daily Wire Editor-in-Chief John Bickley with Georgia Howe. It's Saturday, March 15th, and this is a weekend edition of Morning Wire.
Chapter 2: Who is Eric Eggers and what insights does he provide on Doge's accomplishments?
Joining us now is Eric Eggers, vice president of the Government Accountability Institute and co-host of The Drilldown with Peter Schweitzer. Eric, thank you so much for joining us. Always great to talk to you. Hey, John, it's my pleasure. So look, you guys have been tracking the Doge accomplishments so far.
There's a lot of pressure on Doge, a lot of backlash from the left, some maybe not so organic backlash. But what's the truth? How much has Doge and Musk actually accomplished so far?
so i guess it depends on how you want to measure accomplishments if we're talking just dollars and cents i think that their accomplishments are quite quantifiable they've identified something like 105 billion dollars worth of things that can be cut between a combination of lease terminations contract cancellations and then federal employees who will be let's call it excused from the federal workforce and obviously some of those federal government leases
can amount to almost a half a billion dollars. They've identified things like software licenses with at least a couple of agencies where you have twice as many software licenses, I think 37,000 WinZip licenses in the General Services Administration. for 13,000 employees. So the examples like that are quite obvious.
Chapter 3: How has the Doge initiative influenced federal budgeting conversations?
But I think they've actually been more successful, John, in changing the way we have conversations about budgeting in the federal government. I'm old enough to remember when Mitt Romney essentially ran for president on this back in 2012 with the platform of we're spending more than we're making. Our budget is deficits are leading to death. It's costing us way too much money and interest.
And the American people largely yawned. And so fast forward 13 years later, now it's something that's leading the news. You're reporting on this and it's become a focus of the current presidential administration. That's ultimately the success I think Doge has had. We're making cutting spending cool again, or they are, and we're happy for it.
Yeah, I want to talk about that more, the messaging on this. And X plays a major role in this. We have the guy leading this charge, leading Doge, unofficially or officially, however you want to see it, Elon Musk, has his own platform that is constantly pumping out information on this thing the American people now are seeing.
Chapter 4: What role does social media play in exposing government spending?
A lot of things exposed in the federal government that's never been exposed before. It wouldn't have been able to be exposed because of the gatekeepers in the legacy media. Tell us about the impact of social media, also just the marketing sort of wing of the Trump administration. They're very effective. How has that changed the conversation?
Yeah, I think the Trump administration has become the most radically transparent administration in recent memory, potentially even in American history. I think certainly in American history, when you consider the fact that everything's being exposed in real time. And so things like even his conversation with President Zelenskyy
a couple of weeks ago it make more sense if you look at it in the context of no things are no longer pre-packaged and hidden from the american people and then messaged in a very intentional way that's quite honestly quite deceitful as certain things were in the biden administration now you're seeing for yourself you are the first consumer of the organic material and you can decide hey what you know was
President Trump and J.D. Vance rude or was President Zelensky rude? What happened there? And that's exactly what's happened here. They're saying, listen, we have lots of ridiculous contracts to do things like. pay for military members to have conversations about how to have DEI conversations with online avatars.
And you've heard the numbers of examples of, you know, transgender studies in different countries. And so it's all quite ridiculous. And so the fact that Elon Musk and his team at X can take the specific examples and give them directly to the American people. I mean, remember it wasn't that long ago where
a lot of other media platforms had employees threatened to quit if anything in a non complimentary way was said about members of the trans movement. So that's how dramatically different the conversation even is. Not only are we willing to say, listen, I'm not sure spending money on translate issues is worth tax dollars, And you're not threatened with a boycott or being canceled.
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Chapter 5: How is the Doge initiative impacting federal real estate and agency leases?
That actually now gets elevated by a significant percentage of the American people because that's ultimately what they chose when they chose Donald Trump as president. They said, listen, we just want people to be honest. We want to stop playing games, not just in terms of like what people are told to be our values, but then what they're spending our money on towards those values.
Now, to drill down a little bit here, you mentioned leases. This is something that I know you guys have looked at closely, the cost savings from Doge's reassessment of leases. There's 360 million square feet of real estate that the government has control over. What are we seeing on that front from this administration?
Yeah, so they're willing to cut or proposing to cut up to 25% or a quarter of that space. I think that they're targeting something like a 63% reduction in the public building services division, according to the General Services Agency, which oversees the federal real estate. Something like a thousand workers are estimated to be removed from the workforce.
And this is just one of a number of agencies that are saying, listen, we're going to take this quite seriously. Some people have suggested it's all sort of smoke and mirrors and there's no real follow through.
Chapter 6: What are Secretary of State Marco Rubio's actions regarding USAID programs?
And the fact that there was and will be a vote on a continuing resolution by Congress suggests, well, there was an effort to try to fund everything this year at last year's levels, which some said would maybe neuter funding. Doge's efforts.
But then no less than Secretary of State Marco Rubio has come out and said, listen, USAID, which is under the Department of State, that was the first agency to be targeted for a thorough analysis by Doge. And Marco Rubio said, listen, now after a six-week review, we're going to cancel 83% of the programs. That's tens of billions of dollars in savings. represented by 5,200 contracts.
And so I think that just shows you that the process is working. You have Doge come in from the outside, they identify these things, they hold them up. And then at President Trump's direction at a recent cabinet meeting, the agency heads themselves are the ones that are gonna ultimately kind of put into place those actual cuts. So I think that's actually how the government is supposed to work.
And so I think we're seeing that happen in real time, kind of for the first time in American history. And now to your point, John, about the pushback, I think that's another sign of how successful Doge has been because the conversation has changed even around that. So the conversation is no longer like, oh, is that something we should be spending money on?
The conversation is, well, yeah, sure, Doge is being effective, but it's a drop in the bucket as compared to what the actual federal deficit is, as if the goal of Doge was, was something other than just to identify things that the American people would say, we don't want our tax dollars spent on that. The goal of Doge is not to single-handedly rescue the American budget deficit.
The goal of Doge is to eliminate wasteful spending and getting rid of waste, fraud, and abuse, and that's what they're doing.
Now, the Internal Revenue Service is another major focus of the administration. What are we seeing in terms of estimates on reduction of staff there?
Yeah, it's significant. It started the second Trump administration with 100,000 employees. And they're prepared to cut that in at least half, according to some reporting. And so there was a very high profile example of the Biden administration hiring 88,000 more IRS agents. And there was some talk about giving them weapons.
But as of right now, we've got 100,000 that are suggesting cutting it in half. And of course, some people will say, well, that's no way to run a government. The Trump administration is making noise about replacing the internal revenue service with the external revenue service with the implementation of new tariffs.
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