In Texas, convicted murderer Ed Bell claimed he killed 11 girls between Houston and Galveston back in the 1970s. Reporter Lise Olsen and detective Fred Paige investigated those claims and uncovered eerie ties between Bell and several unresolved murders. In particular, they focused on three cases: all of them, double homicides of teenage best friends. Did Ed Bell really kill Debbie Ackerman and Maria Johnson, Sharon Shaw and Renee Johnson, and Brooks Bracewell and Georgia Geer? Why did investigators dismiss his confessions so quickly? And what about Ed’s claim of a massive brainwashing conspiracy called “The Program”? You can watch Lise and Fred’s investigation unfold in the docuseries The Eleven. And check out Lise’s nonfiction book, The Scientist and the Serial Killer, debuting in April 2025: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/720488/the-scientist-and-the-serial-killer-by-lise-olsen/ Keep up with us on Instagram @serialkillerspodcast! Have a story to share? Email us at [email protected]. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Chapter 1: What happened on August 24th, 1978, in Pasadena?
This episode includes discussion of violence, murder, kidnapping, and sexual assault of a minor. Consider this when deciding how and when you'll listen. On August 24th, 1978, Edward Harold Bell drove to Pasadena, Texas, a suburb nestled between Houston and Galveston. He parked his truck on a street where a group of children were playing, walked up to them, and exposed himself.
Chapter 2: Who was Larry Dickens and what did he witness?
One of the kid's fathers watched it happen, Larry Dickens, a 26-year-old Marine veteran. Larry ran over to confront Bell. He leaned into Bell's truck and grabbed his keys, attempting to detain the predatory stranger while his mother, Dorothy, called the police. She reported everything to the dispatcher as it all unfolded. She watched Bell pull a handgun from his truck and fire.
He shot at my son, she said, begging officers to hurry. Bell shot Larry multiple times, but he was still alive and able to crawl into his mother's open garage. As he did, Bell walked back to his pickup. He sat the handgun inside and pulled out a rifle. He stalked back up the Dickens driveway and into the garage where Dorothy was holding her wounded son.
Then Dorothy watched Belle put the rifle up to Larry's head and fatally shoot her son before driving away. With the murder happening publicly in broad daylight, police had everything they needed to find Belle. They made an arrest before he could leave Pasadena. Now, you might think Bell wouldn't live another day as a free man after that. But that's not what happened.
No, he posted bail and fled to Costa Rica, then Panama. And he spent 14 years in hiding before being caught by officials, thrown in prison, and sending those letters to journalist Lisa Olson. The ones confessing to 11 murders. Welcome to Serial Killers, a Spotify podcast. I'm Janice Morgan.
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Today, we'll dig into Ed Bell's claims and unpack the most shocking evidence Lisa Olson and Fred Page unearthed as we try to find out what's true and what's not true. We're so grateful to have Lisa joining us again today. Stay with us.
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Chapter 3: What claims did Ed Bell make about his past?
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By the time Lisa Olson and Fred Page are being filmed for the 2017 docuseries The Eleven, their investigation into Ed Bell is in full force. They think they've identified the 11 alleged victims Bell alluded to in his letter, so now the task becomes trying to corroborate as much as they can. Bell made a lot of claims over the years, and some of them contradict one another, so let's recap.
In 1998, Bell wrote to two Houston-area DAs and claimed he'd killed seven girls in their jurisdictions. He named two of them, Debbie Ackerman and Maria Johnson, best friends who disappeared together from Galveston in 1971 and were murdered. In 2011, after Lisa interviewed Bell in prison, he also sent her two letters.
That's when he took credit for killing the girls he called the 11 who went to heaven. Bell also claimed that he was part of something called the program. Here's Lisa to explain.
In the interview I did with him and also in the letters to me, he talked about a program in which he claimed he had been brainwashed and specifically abused by his father into becoming a rapist and a murderer. That was his story. And That was his reason for why he says he was a violent person.
Bell believes he was first exposed to the program in the early 40s. He told Lisa that when he was three years old, his mother caught him disrobing another girl his age. As punishment, both of his parents beat him. Years later, he theorized that the physical abuse released hormones into his bloodstream, and that's what eventually turned him into a sex offender.
Because, he claimed, that was the whole point of the program, to see if a regular kid could be made into a killer. According to Bell, physical abuse was only one aspect of the program. He believes it was a vast government-sanctioned conspiracy that was kept under wraps, and Various people from all stages of his life had been in on it.
This included ex-wives, his grandfather, and his own dad, along with other shadowy players working behind the scenes. He said these people used different methods of controlling him, including brainwashing. Most of them didn't work at first, he told Lisa, and because of that, his dad supposedly tried to have him assassinated at the age of 15.
It wasn't until 1966, when he was in his mid-20s, that he was first caught exposing himself to a group of girls. After another incident in April 1969, Bell was sent to Galveston to receive psychiatric treatment and avoid prison time. Doctors diagnosed Bell with depression and a personality disorder. By 1978, Bell had been arrested seven times, mostly for exposing himself to minors.
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Chapter 4: What is 'The Program' that Ed Bell refers to?
Her grandfather would one day become mayor of Webster, the girls' hometown. But at the time, he was a councilman, a role that helped appoint police chiefs. The Webster PD focused their resources on finding the girls, but no solid clues turned up, and the lead investigator had never handled a homicide before.
As a result, in May 1972, the city council, led by Renee's grandfather, replaced the police chief. A new guy was called in named Don Morris, and he brought with him his assistant chief, Tommy Diehl. Just nine days later, Deal already had a suspect. Michael Lloyd Self was a gas station attendant and volunteer firefighter.
He was described as shy at the time and may have had a learning disability stemming from an early brain injury. Self had been arrested twice for peeping in windows, and like Bell, he was ordered into psychiatric treatment. Right after Don Morris was hired, Self got on his radar for another crime, allegedly stealing gas from the fire chief's car.
Not the most criminal of acts, but that's probably how Chief Morris learned Self liked to talk about police cases, like the murder of Renee and Sharon. Assistant Chief Tommy Deal brought Self in for questioning. Right away, Self confessed to killing the two girls. Here's the story he told in his confession.
On the night of August 4th, 1971, the date of the girls' disappearance, Self happened to drive past Renee near Webster. He picked her up, and later on, Sharon joined them. Then, the three of them drove around drinking beer. Later, the girls became loud and unruly. Twice, he tried to get intimate with Renee, but she wasn't interested. The second time, she fought back.
Eventually, it all made him so angry that he grabbed an empty soda bottle from his car and bludgeoned the girls. His confession went on to say that he took off some of their clothes and kept them in his car. Then he left the girls in the water and hid their bodies under a pile of branches. As he drove away, he threw their clothing along the side of the road.
The confession was detailed, providing street names and other specific locations, and it was signed, Michael Lloyd Self. Case closed, right? But when Self met with his attorney, he immediately recanted. He claimed he gave a false confession after Chief Morris beat him and forced him to play Russian roulette.
In response, sheriff's deputies visited him in jail to set things straight, and the result was pretty strange. Self agreed to take the deputies on a tour of all the places he said he brought the girls that night, including the exact spot where he confessed to leaving them. There are even photographs of the tour, which you can check out in The Eleven.
It's hard to know for sure, but some say the location of the girl's remains was public knowledge at this point. Small town, news traveled fast. But he topped off the tour with a second confession, just three days after his first. So he stayed behind bars, charged with murdering Sharon Shaw. Prosecutors didn't charge him with Renee Johnson's murder in case he was acquitted at trial.
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Chapter 5: What evidence did Lise Olsen and Fred Page uncover?
In fact, his trailer sat just a couple of miles from where Maria and Debbie were recovered in 1971.
The thing about that specific site was it was down a private road that only local landowners had a key to a gate to get into. He was a local landowner. He would have known other locals who had the key if he didn't. So it looked like this killer, if That claim was true and that was the case we had the most evidence to tie him to.
It appeared that he liked to dump bodies somewhere near where he lived where he could maybe go back.
That plot of land is also a short drive to where Brooks and Georgia were last seen. Fred estimates the caboose was about three miles from the El Rancho Motel. As Lisa points out in The Eleven, the girls disappeared in the middle of the day. She theorizes that whoever abducted the girls had a private spot he could take them to, probably somewhere close and remote.
And when I'm saying these names of towns, I'm not talking about big places. I'm not talking about places where a lot of people live when I'm talking about Santa Fe or Dickinson, especially in 1971. Today, yes, maybe there are more, but not then.
There are other places that link Bell to these cases, too. In 1971, Bell also had an apartment in Galveston, right on Offutt's Bayou. It was conveniently close to Doug's surf shop, where Bell sometimes worked and potentially saw some of these girls.
It was also right across the water from Wick's ski school, where Debbie and Maria stopped the day before their disappearance, and where Renee and Sharon stopped the morning they went missing. Then there are Bell's vehicles.
That trailer he had bought and had serviced at a RV place that was within two or three blocks from where these two girls from Dickinson were abducted.
And in 1972, Bell was arrested for exposing himself to a minor. The arrest record shows that he was driving a white van. From what we know, it matched the description of the van Debbie and Maria got into. Bell had the van repainted. It later caught fire. With so many dots begging to be connected, Lisa goes back to interview Bell in prison for a second time. He admitted...
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Chapter 6: What is the story behind the murder of Sharon Shaw and Renee Johnson?
Whether he killed 11, whether he killed more, you decide.
Thanks for tuning in to Serial Killers, a Spotify podcast. We'd like to thank Lisa Olson for her time and expertise. If you haven't already, check out the docuseries The Eleven and look for her book, The Scientist and the Serial Killer, coming out in April 2025.
Along with The Eleven, we also found Catherine Casey's book, Deliver Us, three decades of murder and redemption in the infamous I-45 Texas killing fields, extremely helpful to our research. Stay safe out there. This episode was written and produced by Mickey Taylor, edited by Connor Sampson and TTU, fact-checked by Laurie Siegel, and sound designed by Spencer Howard. I'm your host, Janice Morgan.