Something You Should Know
The Startling Impact of Peer Pressure & Why Shyness Can Be a Plus
Mon, 10 Mar 2025
Who hasn’t had to wait at a doctor’s office well past the appointment time. It sucks. What is a reasonable amount of time to have to wait? Should you complain to someone? This episode starts with some interesting research that explains what you should do so your doctor knows your time is valuable and you shouldn’t have to wait so long. https://www.fiercehealthcare.com/practices/ppatients-switched-doctors-long-wait-times-vitals Peer pressure is a powerful force – more powerful than people realize. You are constantly influencing people around you to be more like you, and they are influencing you to be more like them - without even realizing it. When you understand the power of peer pressure it can become a powerful tool. Joining me to discuss all this is Robert Frank, a professor of Management and Economics at Cornell University’s Johnson Graduate School of Management and author of the book Under the Influence: Putting Peer Pressure to Work (https://amzn.to/3L4HPno). Almost everyone has felt shy. In fact, only 2% of people claim they never feel shy. The rest of us have all been in situations where we have felt shy to some extent. What is shyness? Why are some people more prone to it than others? Can you overcome shyness in situations that really matter? Here with some advice is Lynne Henderson who has worked with shy people to help them overcome that feeling that prevents people from fully engaging in life.By the way, it being shy isn't always a problem to be fixed. Sometimes it can be quite charming! Lynne is the founder of the Social Fitness Center and the founder and co-director of the Shyness Institute. She is also author of The Shyness Workbook (https://amzn.to/3sA1Njp). Sometimes you just “click” with someone. It can happen in romance, friendship and in business. People just click. What is happening when that happens? Who are you most likely to click with? Listen as we explore the magic of clicking – and hear some ways that will help you become better at clicking. Source: Ori Brafman author of Click (https://amzn.to/3FF1nO0). PLEASE SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS!!! FACTOR: Eat smart with Factor! Get 50% off at https://FactorMeals.com/something50off QUINCE: Indulge in affordable luxury! Go to https://Quince.com/sysk for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns. TIMELINE: Get 10% off your order of Mitopure! Go to https://Timeline.com/SOMETHING SHOPIFY: Nobody does selling better than Shopify! Sign up for a $1 per-month trial period at https://Shopify.com/sysk and upgrade your selling today! HERS: Hers is changing women's healthcare by providing access to GLP-1 weekly injections with the same active ingredient as Ozempic and Wegovy, as well as oral medication kits. Start your free online visit today at https://forhers.com/sysk INDEED: Get a $75 sponsored job credit to get your jobs more visibility at https://Indeed.com/SOMETHING right now! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Chapter 1: How can you handle long wait times at the doctor's office?
Hi, hey, here we go with another episode of Something You Should Know. And we're going to start today with one of my pet peeves. And that's when a doctor or a dentist consistently makes you wait well past your appointment time before they see you. Now, I understand things come up and occasionally it happens, but it's when it happens all the time. I don't know.
I guess it's because if I made appointments with people and showed up 40 minutes late all the time, that would be a problem. And apparently I'm not the only one who is bugged by this. According to a survey, one in five patients say they have switched doctors because of long wait times. I would be part of that one in five. 30% of patients have left a doctor's appointment because of a long wait.
Now, the average wait time is about 20 minutes, and Stephen Reimer of the Yale Medical School has studied this problem and says nobody should have to wait more than 20 minutes without a good explanation. And that's the other thing. Anticipated wait is a lot easier to take than not knowing how long you're going to wait. So if it's going to be longer than 20 minutes, someone should tell you.
If they don't, you should go to the desk and ask why you have to wait so long. Dr. Reimer says you should also tell the doctor, not just the staff, that this bothers you. People are timid when it comes to criticizing their doctor, but it's the doctor who sets the appointment policy. The doctor is responsible for your wait. No other business would survive if customers were kept waiting so long.
And doctors need to understand that your time is valuable. And that is something you should know. We've all heard the term peer pressure. I'm sure you know what it means. Yet I've come to learn from my guest who you're about to meet that that term is a bit of a misnomer, at least the pressure part. It's not so much pressure when you think of pressuring someone or coercing someone.
It's more about modeling behavior. Your behavior that you model influences other people's behavior. And your behavior is influenced by other people's behavior. Probably more than you imagine. So how does this all work exactly? What makes it so powerful? And how can we best use peer pressure to get people to change? Well, joining me is Robert Frank.
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Chapter 2: What is peer pressure and how can it be used effectively?
He is a professor of management and economics at Cornell University's Johnson Graduate School of Management. He has been a columnist for The New York Times for more than a decade, and he is author of the book Under the Influence, Putting Peer Pressure to Work. Hi, Robert. Welcome. Nice to be with you, Mike. So everyone's heard of peer pressure.
But how do we know it's a real thing and how do you measure it and how do we know it works?
Oh, it's been studied now intensively. So, for example, smoking is a nice illustration. We didn't really regulate smoking until we had studies coming out of Japan showing that exposure to secondhand smoke caused illness in others. We're reluctant to regulate generally. That's probably a good thing on balance.
But the excuse we give for regulating is that what you do is going to cause harm to others that's hard for them to avoid. And so the fact that people didn't have any practical way to avoid illnesses caused by secondhand smoke, that was the license that regulators thought they needed to start taxing cigarettes heavily and
passing regulations that you couldn't smoke in restaurants and bars and public buildings and the like. In fact, the damage from secondhand smoke is, I won't say it's trivial, but it's trivial in comparison with the most important damage we cause as smokers, which is to make other people more likely to smoke. The studies on that are very clear.
So if the smoking rate, you're worried your daughter's going to smoke. If the smoking rate amongst her friends goes from, let's say, 20% up to 30%, that doesn't sound like a big increase. That increase by itself will make her 25% more likely to either become or remain a smoker. So it's a huge effect. It's an enormous amount of harm somebody causes when they
indirectly cause somebody else to become a smoker. And so that's a far better reason for discouraging people from smoking than the risk they pose to others by exposing them to secondhand smoke.
Well, I remember too that one of the arguments given for people to give up smoking was that if you have kids and you smoke, they're much more likely to smoke because their parents smoked.
That was certainly true in my case. I started smoking at age 14. I'm thankful that I smoked for only two years, but my parents didn't want me to smoke, but both of them smoked. So it was a weak soup they served by way of advice to me. If you think I shouldn't smoke, why do you smoke?
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Chapter 3: Are we influenced by our social network's habits?
as big an effect psychologically as people would anticipate we adapt very quickly to all sorts of circumstances so if if the place smells bad we adapt quickly to it yeah that's what we do but peer pressure implies pressure i mean like not only am i modeling this behavior i'm pressuring you to change yours No, in my understanding of the term, it doesn't mean that.
I've been thinking about this sort of influence for a long time. I think one of the most interesting early examples that got me thinking about it was from an Alan Funt film. He was the old candid camera impresario. He would put people in odd situations in film films. how they'd react. So he posted an ad for a really good sounding job. It paid well.
It didn't have very difficult to fulfill requirements involved travel and meeting interesting people. So, of course, a lot of people wanted to sign up for interviews for this job. He booked appointments. And in the film, we see a guy arrive for his interview. He's shown into a waiting room. There are four other people already sitting in there waiting. He sits down with the other four.
The film zooms in on the later arrivals face, and it is an expression goes from one of complete impassivity to a look of grave concern, alarm. How would I describe it? The camera pans back and we see that the reason he's alarmed is that the other four have at no apparent signal stood up. They're taking off all their clothing. And finally, we see him tip.
Psychologically, he shrugs, he gets up and he takes off all his own clothing. And the scene ends. We see all five of them standing there naked, waiting for action. What comes next? And I think the impulse is to think, what an idiot. He was so easily swayed by the example of these peers. Look, he wanted this job. He didn't know what the drill was. He was the last to arrive amongst the five of them.
If anybody knew what the... the drill was going to be about. It was they. They thought it was worth going through the next steps. Is it so obvious that he was making a foolish decision to mimic what they were doing? I certainly wouldn't be prepared to argue for that position.
So the term peer pressure really isn't accurate. It isn't pressure. It's not trying to force someone to do something. Because if those people in the waiting room were sitting there fully clothed and told this guy, really, come on, take your clothes off, and pressured him to do it, he'd leave. He'd run.
yeah i i think that's a good point yeah i thought to put it that way but it was the fact that they thought it was worth doing that was so compelling to him so what are some other examples especially ones that maybe were not aware of of peer pressure at work
One of the demonstrations that surprised me most, the question was, does the amount of weight you gain depend upon the amount of weight gained by others around you? One of the early studies showed statistically that there was actually a fairly strong link that if others in your social network became obese, you were much more likely to become obese yourself.
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Chapter 4: How does peer pressure manifest in different scenarios?
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So Robert, one of the things about peer pressure when it comes to parenting, for example, is that we hear that peers can have a greater effect on kids than their parents. Is that true?
Oh, I think there's some support for that idea for sure. Your parents do influence you as well, but the people who are most like you that you spend most of your time with, that's the strongest influence on your own behavior. And by the time you're out of the house and in school, that's eight hours a day, seven to eight hours a day, you're not with your parents.
The hours after school, mostly you're not with them either. You have a dinner hour with them, short time at breakfast. Most of the time as a kid, you're not with your parents. So it's not at all surprising that the quantitatively biggest impact on behavior would be from others besides parents.
Often it seems that peer pressure is, I don't know, it's just so random. The influence just happens. It's why your mother didn't want you hanging around with the wrong crowd, because just because you were with them, their influence would rub off on you and you would behave like them. But sometimes it seems more organized, like stopping smoking. I mean, fewer, far fewer people smoke now.
Because of peer pressure, but it all got a kickstart from things like high taxes on cigarettes, a lot of places banning cigarette smoking in the buildings. It became, that kind of pushed it along.
And in so many other domains where peer behavior is known to have a huge effect, we should do more of that. So solar panels would be good if more people adopted them. And in fact, we do encourage people to take that initial step by subsidizing the adoption of solar panels. And that's something that's highly contagious. We've got studies that show how...
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Chapter 5: What are the effects of peer pressure on personal behavior?
And it seems to me that it's pretty situational. I mean, I have felt shy sometimes and not felt shy other times.
Exactly.
Why is that? Is it just because you just don't feel secure or what?
That's a good question. I think it depends sometimes on your history, whether or not you've ever been in a similar situation that didn't go well. It can be that kind of thing. It can be things that you've heard about a particular situation. I mean, it's usually getting past shyness is usually debunking that sort of getting into the same situation and finding out that it usually goes quite well.
So does shyness serve a purpose? It seems like it's kind of protective in a way.
Well, yes, and you had wondered about the origin of shyness, and I think it is left over in evolution for predator detection. And I think it's just exaggerated, and it's not usually going to happen what you're afraid of in real life, because even if the situation doesn't work out as well as you hope, it's very seldom a disaster.
And the other thing we do with people is we teach them compassion imagery and that sort of thing that they can also use to support themselves or even imagining that a good friend is by your side when you're trying something new.
Yeah, because I would imagine that shyness tends to disappear if you're with people you know.
Oh, yes. And it's only 2% of the population that say they've never been shy. So it's a common, it is a common emotion.
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Chapter 6: Is peer pressure consistent across cultures?
And so what is the prescription for shyness? I mean, it does seem, as you just pointed out, it can be charming. Maybe it's not something you fix. Maybe it's fine the way it is.
Yeah, I mean, I think often that's the case. And particularly people who, well, one of the issues or one of the problems sometimes is that people who are very attractive and who feel shy often look snooty. People misread the shyness as snootiness. And of course, that doesn't even occur to them.
That's interesting. You're right. If you see someone who's really good looking and they're not talking to anybody, you think, well, what a snob. How stuck up are they?
And that's why I like the idea of social fitness training is that people are situationally shy. And with social fitness, you just do what you're scared of anyway until you get used to it and the fear goes down. And that's why group therapy is so helpful for shyness. It's because you've sort of got a support team on your side and other people have the same experience.
And when I was running shyness groups, nobody would believe that the other group members were shy because they were attractive, nice people, and they felt the same way. And that was really reassuring to all of them. That was one really neat experience I had at a group I was running at Stanford. And one of the fellows wanted to ask somebody out and he was afraid to do it.
The group encouraged him to do it. He did it. Then he came back and he said, oh, my gosh, now I have to go on the date. I'll be a basket case and she'll reject me. And one of the fellows in the group said, well, why don't you just tell her you're feeling shy? And he said, are you kidding? She would be so critical of me. And he said, well, you could try it. So he did. He tried it.
And the woman said, oh, my goodness, I'm so relieved. So am I. And they had a nice time on the date.
Well, it does seem oftentimes, just thinking of experiences I've had, that I'll walk into a room and feel shy right away, but it goes away pretty quickly.
Yes. And sometimes when somebody's problematically shy for a while, they also say negative things to themselves. Like, I won't be able to do this, or it's going to be too hard. And in groups and that sort of thing, we can practice more supportive self-talk.
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Chapter 7: How can recognizing peer pressure change our actions?
Exactly.
But it does seem that even if you're afraid to ask Susie out, and you finally do, and maybe the relationship doesn't work out too well, so now you need to ask Becky out, that having asked Susie out doesn't make it any easier to ask Becky out.
The interesting thing about it, and of course, if they're in a group where they've got people around them who can share their own experiences, everybody has that experience. You know, some people say no, some people say yes.
And one of the things that we also know is that if you're trusting and try to have positive expectations, you get disappointed, you do get hurt, but not as much as if you're afraid all the time and you don't do it.
You just said positive expectations. And, you know, I think of the, hey, you don't want to go out with me, do you? Kind of, you know, that's not really telegraphing positive expectations that it is in the ask.
Right. But there's a thing that goes along with it, which is trust. That you trust in the long run, something will work out. How many things in life do we get on the first try? Not many.
But when you say it will work out, what will work out?
In the long run, you will probably ask somebody out who will say yes, and you will have a good time.
It just may not be Susie.
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