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Global News Podcast

China says it won't bow to pressure from Trump tariffs

Thu, 10 Apr 2025

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China says it won't give in to pressure from Donald Trump over tariffs but is willing to negotiate. Also: New prisoner swap between US and Russia, and research into mammal brains reveals a 'galaxy'.

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Chapter 1: What are the main stories covered in this episode?

38.072 - 63.374 Nick Miles

This is the Global News Podcast from the BBC World Service. I'm Nick Miles, and at 13.30 GMT on Thursday 10th April, these are our main stories. China says it won't back down in the face of a new 125% tariff imposed by President Trump. Sudan has taken its case accusing the UAE of complicity in genocide to the UN's top court.

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63.934 - 72.66 Nick Miles

And a quick saliva test could be the secret weapon in the battle with prostate cancer. also in this podcast.

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72.981 - 78.227 Forrest Coleman

That stimulus was like a series of YouTube clips, like clips of Mad Max and The Matrix and so on and so forth.

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79.088 - 105.59 Nick Miles

Why researchers have been showing movies to a mouse and how the results showed them a new cerebral galaxy. Donald Trump's 90-day pause on most of his higher tariffs has benefited every single nation apart from China. The US president has said that the 90 days will be used to strike deals and claims around 75 countries have asked the White House for talks.

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Chapter 2: How is China responding to Trump's tariffs?

106.09 - 115.014 Nick Miles

Meanwhile, China has been hit with 125% levies. This was what the Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Lin Jian had to say.

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117.395 - 137.167 Lin Jian

Out of its selfish interests, the U.S. has used tariffs as a weapon to exert maximum pressure and seek selfish gains. Let me stress that tariff wars and trade wars have no winners. China does not want to fight them, but will not fear when they come our way.

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137.927 - 150.036 Nick Miles

Keyu Jun is a global economist and author of The New China Playbook. She thinks businesses will try to ride out the storm in the hope things change, but the impact will soon be felt.

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150.695 - 170.147 Keyu Jun

Soon enough, U.S. suppliers will feel it, just like Chinese suppliers are feeling it. The lesson of the first trade war is that when China slapped the 25% tariffs on U.S. soybeans, it led to so much resistance in the agricultural states that it eventually led to the phase one agreement. So China believes that by exerting equivalent pressure and having U.S.

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Chapter 3: What is the impact of the US-China trade war?

170.167 - 177.351 Keyu Jun

suppliers also share the cost burden along with Chinese is the only way to get the U.S. back to rational negotiation.

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177.765 - 182.71 Nick Miles

I spoke to our China media analyst, Kerry Allen, about reaction in China from top down.

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183.23 - 202.026 Kerry Allen

China's Ministry of Commerce has said that the door is open to talks with the US, but it regards the action in recent days as bullying China. So I'm seeing messaging today from the government saying that dialogue must be conducted on equal footing and on the basis of mutual respect. And there is a hope that the US and China will meet each other halfway.

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202.466 - 215.112 Kerry Allen

Another message that's very strongly coming out in state media is that if the US wants to get involved in a tariff or trade war with China, it will not back down. There's a lot of messaging stressing that China will fight to the end.

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215.552 - 225.156 Nick Miles

And Kerry, what about what you've been hearing from ordinary Chinese people? How supportive are they? And if they're not supportive, would we hear from them anyway?

225.396 - 242.065 Kerry Allen

Well, it's difficult to know online because on social media platforms like Sina Weibo, which is China's equivalent of a platform like X or Facebook, you've got a situation where you've got click farms that put out patriotic messaging. You've also got censorship. So it's difficult to gauge how ordinary people feel.

242.425 - 249.088 Kerry Allen

But at the same time, what I'm seeing today is video footage of ordinary Chinese in Beijing talking about how they feel.

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We all know that now China does not rely on other countries to develop and that we have the capabilities of independent innovation.

261.299 - 270.829 Ordinary Chinese Citizen

With the tariffs imposed by the US, we can use our own goods instead of imports. Our Chinese people are united and our country is strong enough. We'll fight till the end.

Chapter 4: How do ordinary Chinese citizens feel about the trade war?

273.041 - 279.743 Unknown Chinese Official

China has the economic strength to take resolute countermeasures against the United States tariff policies, never give up.

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280.104 - 290.408 Nick Miles

So Carrie, those people certainly needed no rousing up at all. But we have been hearing from some Chinese officials, some historical references that would do just that.

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290.871 - 311.3 Kerry Allen

Yeah, absolutely. And this is something that Chinese media often do. They will draw on historical clips and say that the US in particular should learn from history. So there have been clips that have been pretty much going viral today in China. One of them is historical footage of former Chinese leader Mao Zedong saying, no matter how long a war lasts, we will never yield.

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311.54 - 314.682 Kerry Allen

And China's foreign ministry spokeswoman has been sharing this.

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314.702 - 318.804 Lin Jian

China's foreign ministry spokeswoman has been sharing this.

320.928 - 330.153 Will Ross

As to how long this war will last, we are not the ones who can decide. We'll never yield. We'll fight until we completely triumph.

333.355 - 335.656 Nick Miles

So strong stuff there. So what next?

336.206 - 353.633 Kerry Allen

Well, I think it seems very clear that China isn't afraid to back down. And there's just this messaging that if the US does want this fight, that China will keep on fighting back. And Chinese people feel that it will win. So I think we're expected to see more of this if Trump decides to up the ante even further.

354.113 - 375.637 Nick Miles

That was Kerry Allen. Well, despite the looming trade war and the threat of recession, it seems Donald Trump can still count on a significant amount of support domestically, particularly in the so-called red states. Professor Arlie Russell Hochschild has made it her life's work to understand the nature of American politics and the reason for Mr Trump's appeal.

Chapter 5: What are the allegations against the UAE in the Sudan conflict?

512.975 - 534.426 Nick Miles

Professor Arlie Russell Hochschild was speaking to the BBC's Justin Webb. It has been two years since Sudan was plunged into a civil war between the National Army and a powerful paramilitary group known as the Rapid Support Forces, or RSF. Since then, tens of thousands of people have been killed, with reports of atrocities on both sides.

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535.067 - 552.96 Nick Miles

Now the International Court of Justice in The Hague is hearing accusations that the United Arab Emirates has been complicit in a genocide allegedly perpetrated by the RSF. The UAE strongly rejects the allegations. Our correspondent in The Hague, Anna Holligan, was at the court.

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553.661 - 574.277 Anna Holligan

According to Sudan's filing here at the ICJ, the Rapid Support Forces are alleged to have committed widespread atrocities, so in particular targeting the ethnic Masalit community in western Darfur. These crimes are alleged to include systematic attacks on these non-Arab groups with the intent to destroy them as a distinct ethnic group.

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574.857 - 598.033 Anna Holligan

The reports indicate around 15,000 civilians were massacred between May and June 2023. The RSF is also accused of using rape as a weapon of war against civilians. Hundreds of thousands of people have been displaced into Chad, alongside millions inside Sudan. Entire villages burned down. So widespread allegations put forward by Sudan.

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598.053 - 611.422 Anna Holligan

But of course, they can't bring the RSF to the ICJ because it's a political military organisation and the ICJ deals with disputes between states, which is why Sudan has focused on one of the RSF's alleged sponsors.

611.962 - 615.365 Nick Miles

And what is the allegation against the United Arab Emirates?

615.965 - 636.521 Anna Holligan

So Sudan argues these atrocities were enabled by the financial, military and political support from the United Arab Emirates, including arms shipments, drone training, recruitment of mercenaries. So it claims that this means the UAE is complicit in genocide and they're asking for reparations and also urgent measures to prevent any further genocidal acts.

637.021 - 639.103 Nick Miles

And what has the UAE said in response?

639.855 - 653.683 Anna Holligan

We've heard a lot from the UAE over the last few days. UAE has strongly rejected Khartoum's allegations, said it would seek an immediate dismissal. The ICJ, they say, is not a stage for political theatrics. It must not be weaponized for disinformation.

Chapter 6: How did scientists map a mouse brain like a galaxy?

817.448 - 822.049 Jackie Leonard

And to carry out this study, the mouse in question watched a lot of videos, didn't it?

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822.879 - 840.568 Forrest Coleman

Yeah, we didn't just map the connections, but before we did that, the animal was actually imaged in a different kind of microscope that made the neurons glow brighter when they were active. And so we were able to record how individual neurons are responding to the visual stimulus that the mouse was given.

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840.608 - 854.594 Forrest Coleman

And that stimulus was like a series of YouTube clips, like clips of Mad Max and The Matrix and so on and so forth. And so in that way, we can sort of try to understand each of these individual neurons, what aspect of the movie clip tends to make that neuron active.

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855.154 - 857.976 Jackie Leonard

I have to ask now, did the mouse have a favorite clip?

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859.636 - 880.425 Forrest Coleman

Well, what's remarkable is that mice don't have a favorite clip, but individual neurons do. Individual neurons only respond to a certain visual. And our colleagues at the Baylor College of Medicine were able to build a machine learning model that in certain circumstances was able to really highly predict how individual neurons are able to respond to any visual stimulus. So in this

880.905 - 898.375 Forrest Coleman

In this way, they built a kind of AI twin of the mouse's brain, and then they can show that sort of twin any visual stimulus and predict how the individual neurons were going to respond. And then we are able to use that to analyze the combination of these two things, the wiring diagram and the functional responses.

899.055 - 908.071 Nick Miles

Dr. Forrest Coleman, a neuroscientist at the Allen Institute for Brain Science in Seattle. still to come in this podcast.

908.311 - 916.054 George Clooney

The fun part about this is we get to do a play about a subject matter that's very close to our hearts, which is telling the truth and holding truth to power.

916.554 - 922.596 Nick Miles

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