A rogue federal judge is trying to order the U.S. president to keep deadly foreign gang members inside the country. Andrew and Blake explain what the Alien Enemies Act is and explore the administration's strategy as it heads for a constitutional showdown with the courts. Sen. Rick Scott reacts to that and the growing disarray of the Democrat Party. Watch ad-free on members.charliekirk.com! Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Chapter 1: Who is hosting The Charlie Kirk Show today?
Everybody, welcome to The Charlie Kirk Show. Charlie is out today. So myself, Andrew Colvett, executive producer of the show, along with Blake Neff, anchor this hour. And we also welcome Senator Rick Scott to the show. We talk about The Alien Enemies Act of 1789, how President Trump and the Trump administration defied a court order. We talk about national injunctions.
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Chapter 2: What is the Alien Enemies Act and how is it relevant?
So your prayers are appreciated, but he's doing better. Still getting better. So I'm in the chair today. Always an honor to be with you. I am joined by the one and only Blake Neff, who if the show goes off the rails too much, we're just going to talk about Roman history. That's what we'll do, Blake. Exactly. You and me. I get to be the quizzer. So, Blake, there's so much in the news today.
Genuinely a fascinating weekend that we had. I mean, we've got egg prices have been dropping off a cliff, thankfully. The left loves that. We've got reciprocal tariffs coming in. Scott Besson had a fascinating interview this weekend. Those are coming into effect on April 2nd. The market's all up in arms. We're going to see what happens there.
This right track, wrong track polling is incredible, historic. We've got attacks against the Houthis that have been messing with our trade routes in the Middle East. We've got the Alien Enemies Act, which is probably the big story of the weekend, Blake, and that's what we're going to start with. and then just polling in general.
So we were so used to getting polling all the time during the election and the run-up to the presidential election that it's kind of novel now to get a set of polls out that tell us anything about the way the country's feeling. Blake, let's start with the big news of the weekend, and that is President Trump invoked the Alien Enemies Act of like 1789. It's over 200 years old, this act.
And he did it to deport a plane full of about 250 Tren de Aragua gang members. And he sent them to El Salvador. Bukele was involved. While the plane is in flight, a judge orders this plane to be turned around. He puts an injunction on it, says Trump doesn't have the authority to invoke the Alien Enemies Act.
And the Trump administration defies that order, claiming that the plane was already in international airspace. Therefore, the order was null and void. It did not apply to that situation. The criminals, the Tren de Aragua gang members, are now in El Salvador at the terrorism detention center there. But the controversy is ongoing.
Everybody on the left is claiming this is going to be a constitutional crisis. And actually, Blake, on the one hand, they might be right. You're even hearing voices on the right now saying this is a constitutional crisis because these national injunctions by these district court judges, of which there are more than 200 of them,
actually have, this has been a crisis that the Trump administration wanted to pick. They wanted to pick a fight. And the question was, which was the right pick or a fight to pick? Your take, Blake.
Yeah, I mean, it is true. We are headed towards some sort of constitutional showdown. We discussed, I think we tweeted last week, the number of nationwide injunctions from federal judges in the first two months of the Trump administration. In fact, I think just in February alone was more than the first three years of the Biden presidency.
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Chapter 3: Why is the Trump administration in a constitutional showdown?
that, Andrew, because we've definitely had nationwide injunctions under the Biden administration, under the Obama administration. I think there were nationwide injunctions on provisions of Obamacare until that went to the Supreme Court. I think there have been nationwide injunctions on, I think, some gun-related stuff.
There was some in the Texas showdown. No, no, absolutely. I'm saying that, by and large, one side does has been more active that would provoke more of a reaction from the left. But in general terms, this is a tactic that the left has employed far more successfully and far more times than has happened on the right.
And I think just by disposition, a conservative judge is less likely to go stick his foot into matters that he or she doesn't feel they need to. But yeah, it does happen. Both sides granted, point taken. But what I'm also fascinated about Like, is this idea of the strategy behind this? So they've essentially been itching for this fight in the Trump administration.
All of these national injunctions that have come down, there is a whole legal theory behind this where a district court is, and by the way, there's more activities happening. There's more people that are working on this behind the scenes. The theory is that a district court should only apply to the people that are involved in it from the plaintiff and defendant standpoint.
It should not therefore be a nationwide injunction. And, you know, I think there's some strong evidence you know, historical rationale behind that. But this idea that one judge can then essentially rule the country, at least in specific policies, is a very, very new phenomenon in the republic. And we can break all that down. But this is the showdown of the early Trump administration.
Can judges overrule the will of the people in the Article II vested powers of the presidency? That is the question. That is the showdown that we are in.
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Chapter 4: What are the implications of national injunctions by federal judges?
But these days, you don't have as much war between states, but you have far greater ability for non-state actors, such as criminal gangs, to just intrude into your country and cause mayhem. And I think the Trump administration is on strong grounds to say that is the modern version of of a military invasion of, you know, a foreign horde showing up and trying to sack your cities.
And the president needs like needs to invoke aggressive powers to combat this. I'd much rather be having them show down with the courts over this than, you know, for example, over we'll probably discuss this later, like the auto pen thing. I think this is something where the interest of the American people is very clear. And you're forcing Democrats into this box of defending.
Oh, yeah, we don't want gang members deported. And eventually they'll be able to say this guy was involved in a home invasion. This guy was involved in murders. This guy was caught with 10 kilos of fentanyl. There's so many things they can get them on.
Well, in this district judge, James Boasberg, you know, this is the judge that that essentially stepped in and said that you can't be using the Alien Enemies Act of 1789 to deport these 250 alleged Trende Arago gang members.
This is also a guy, by the way, that gave Eric Cimarella, if you will recall from the FBI investigation of Trump, he was the one who falsified the actual FBI documents, which is a federal crime, a very serious one. This is the same judge that basically gave him a slap on the wrist.
So that's a weird, you know, little wrinkle here that some, you know, I've heard other Republicans say, hey, this guy has it out for Trump. He's an anti-Trump judge. You can't trust this guy. It's a very serious crime that Cimarella committed against, well, the country, specifically targeting President Trump.
And this is that, so that judge has come back around now and is a thorn in the side of the Trump administration. My two cents here is that If you are going to pick a fight, the authority vested in the president to handle foreign activities, whether that be immigration or war or treaties with other countries, is pretty established within the courts.
If you're going to pick a fight, do it there because it's the firmest footing that a president has constitutionally. I love this. I think politically, optically, I love all of it. And I love that the White House was essentially You know, specifically Stephen Miller was itching for this showdown with Article 3. So it's an Article 2 versus Article 3 showdown. I think it's the perfect one to do it.
Nobody likes Trend de Aragua. They need to go. And the American people agree with them on that.
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Chapter 5: How has the use of nationwide injunctions evolved?
Well, we've got to get Trump judges confirmed. So number one, we've got to make sure that... You know, Trump's White House counsel and Pambani give us the names of those that they want to appoint. Also, we got to get new U.S. attorneys, you know, in position and U.S. marshals.
So the big thing we can do is, number one, do what Chuck Grassley talked about, is we got to do everything we can to help the judiciary. And then number two is we've got to make sure that President Trump has the resources. We need to get this reconciliation package done as quickly as possible.
So he has the resources to deport the tens of hundreds of thousands of people that should be deported from this country because they're doing illegal things. And I want this country to be safe.
Yeah, millions. I mean, Tom Homan, I think he's asking for like $170 billion. And meanwhile, we're cutting everything else, which we should be. It's the one area of the federal budget that I think Americans are going to look at and say, yeah, we need more there. Do you have high hopes now that we've gotten past this?
this showdown with Schumer, which his base is very upset with him about, Senator Scott. They're very, very mad. And we're going to get into that in just a sec. Do you have hopes that the Senate is going to be able to move on from this CR showdown and get this budget reconciliation, one big, beautiful bill on the president's desk? Are you feeling good about our prospects there?
Absolutely. And here's what we're going to do. We're going to give the president money for the deportations. We're going to plus up the military to make sure we can defend our freedoms. We're going to extend the Trump tax cuts And we're going to start the process of balancing the budget. I think all those things are going to happen.
We've got to get 218 people in the House to vote for it, 51 Republicans in the Senate. I think we're all going to come together to get this done. So we all know why President Trump won. He won over the border. He won over inflation. He won over a woke federal government, an unaccountable federal government. So he's doing his job. I believe we're going to do our job and get all these things done.
I really hope that I think I think after the Schumer cave, and it really was a cave. I mean, I think I like our I like our chance. I like our momentum, Senator. And I want to get into this. Now people are talking about AOC primarying Chuck Schumer. You know, Chuck Schumer is just now this is breaking this morning. He's canceled a book tour, Senator. Let's go ahead and play cut 81.
We have learned that Schumer and Jeffries did meet behind closed doors yesterday in Brooklyn, trying to get back on the same page. They have huge and consequential fights ahead. But the backlash from the left is real. In fact, Wolf, Chuck Schumer is scheduled to do a book tour in a number of cities on a book that he has authored on anti-Semitism.
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Chapter 6: What is the significance of the recent deportation order?
First of all, the mood of the country. This really jumped out. We asked folks, is it on the right direction or the wrong direction? That 44% who say right direction, that's up since November. And if that doesn't seem like a lot, the last time it cracked 40%, you gotta go back to 2012. The last time it actually hit 44 or higher, January of 2004.
So a lot of this is Republicans, but independents, that number is also up since the election on the direction of the country.
All right, so I wanna pair that, Senator, with one other clip. So 44% of Americans think the country's on the right track. Meanwhile, Democrats are struggling. Play cut 60.
Americans' favorable views of the Democratic Party brand are at a record low, just 29%. That's compared to 36% for Republicans. It is the lowest ever recorded for Democrats in CNN polling going back more than 30 years. As you can see, the party's numbers dropping a staggering 20 points in just four years.
Now, this survey was taken before this week's tumultuous battle over funding the government, which resulted in one of the ugliest intra-party Democratic disputes in years.
Trump is just scrambling their brains. Meanwhile, the American people are seeing action and they love it. Senator, one minute, your reaction to all of that.
Well, number one, as I travel around Florida, people come up to me all the time, aren't you excited? We're finally heading in the right direction. And they just laugh at the Democrats because the Democrats are still focused on an open border, men playing in women's sports, some of the things that are completely appalling to most of this country. So we're on the right track.
Democrats are on the wrong track. I'm very optimistic about where we're going.
Well, Senator Scott, you are one of the good ones in the Senate. You're fighting for us, the people, the base. We got your back 100%. Thank you for fighting as well to balance the budget. I love that you brought up that phrase, balance the budget. We are... like a heat seeking missile on, on that. We, we, we know we got to get through some of this stuff in the short term.
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Chapter 7: Who is Judge James Boasberg and why is he controversial?
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The grassroots is furious, right? Most of the caucus is furious. I never before, my parents were Democrats. I've been a Democrat my entire life. Never before did I say, I should leave this party because if democracy is at risk and you had no idea what to do and you have no plan and even now at this moment, you know nothing of what to do and you're capitulating to this, this is disgusting.
Are you thinking about leaving the Democratic Party? Is that what you're saying? Yes. Yes, me personally, yes. I'm not an elected official, but I have always voted with the Democrats. Over this issue? Yeah, over the inability to figure out what to do in the face of fascism and the rise of Trump.
Yeah, so the big thing with it is just that they're disaffected, but it's certainly not a disaffected where they're going to say, you know, I guess I was wrong about Trump, I want to support him. They're angry because they feel they're ineffective at resisting Trump. And that reminds me a lot, I think we remember, that's kind of what the Tea Party felt like in 2010.
It was a lot of anger at a perceived... ineffectiveness of Republicans, that they were without direction, that they'd betrayed the party on important issues. And that, of course, led to a pretty big wave election in 2010 for Republicans who branded themselves differently. And then on a longer time basis, it set up the candidacy of Donald Trump. So I definitely want to tamp down.
We can't have too much triumphalism on the right where it's just, oh, wow, those Democrats are in disarray. Because what you're really seeing is you're seeing fertile ground for
new leaders to emerge they might have some sort of demagogic figure take a hold of their party that they're able to like whip up the base into again like i said a more radical direction that could still be electorally potent uh so i i would strongly push back on anything where we're in great shape because democrats are angry with each other because that can very easily turn into
a potent new force now that doesn't mean you want to slow down you want to take advantage of their disorderliness to get things done because that's the point of politics is to get things done
No, I totally agree. We always have to be vigilant. I think the difference between this conservative movement and one of the eras past is we are more vigilant. We are more activated. There's a really powerful graphic, actually, if I can pull it up just really quick, that shows the power of the conservative media world compared to Democrats right now. These are unprecedented times.
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