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Chapter 1: Who are the hosts discussing the story of Kat Torres?
I guess I should tell folks who you are, right? I guess so. You and I have spent a wild amount of time together. We recorded this series together in the studio. You were in the studio in the US and I was in the studio here in Brazil. Yes. You're my senior producer, the senior producer of Don't Cross Cat.
Are you sure you want to spend even more time with me? You haven't gotten sick of me yet?
No, not yet. I mean, we can do, I would say we can do two more podcasts.
Okay.
Before I'm through with you.
That's your limit. Okay.
We're still on the upside.
You got to ask a lot of questions reporting on this story. And now I want to ask you some questions because for this episode, there were a few things that we didn't get to talk about in the making of the series that we wanted to bring up, especially something that happened after we wrapped.
Right. So I guess we'll be talking about the recent news and how it helped us understand where Ketur is this both mentally and physically, right?
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Chapter 2: What is the significance of the beauty pageant inside the Brazilian prison?
Yes, inside the penitentiary where she's an inmate.
There's two photos. One of them is a group shot. They're all wearing long white dresses. And the other one is the individual photo where Kat is wearing sort of like a dark green dress with some lace. And in both of those photos, honestly, not a hair out of place. Her hair is tucked on the side a little bit on one side. So it's blonde, soft waves to the side with maybe red lip color situation.
Can't go wrong with both of them.
She looks stunning, I gotta say.
Chapter 3: How did Kat Torres look and feel during the prison beauty pageant?
She doesn't look like she's in prison. I mean, none of these women look like they're in prison.
No, they look like they're in a quinceanera.
They kind of do, you're right.
It's sort of a quinceanera vibe.
Okay, so how does someone in prison end up looking like this? How does this work?
Yeah, it's really peculiar, not common at all in Brazil, but they do hold a beauty pageant in this specific all-female jail in Brazil. It's something somewhat new. It's been around for six or seven years, but they do have a beauty pageant that will crown the most beautiful female inmate in Brazil. And Cat Torres was crowned the queen of the jail she's in currently.
I mean, I mean, she was a supermodel. So it's kind of unfair to throw a supermodel into a jail of quote unquote normal women. So I want to like raise a flag like, excuse me, judge, unfairness here.
Yeah. So, I mean, of course she would win. She was a supermodel. She was on billboards on Sunset Boulevard. I mean, the odds were in her favor.
But I have to say, and you know, while we were reporting this series, there was a documentary that came out from the BBC and, you know, she didn't look great. And I know at one point you said that you heard from somebody that was close to her while we were reporting on this, that she didn't, she wasn't eating. She didn't look well. She doesn't look unwell in this photo.
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Chapter 4: What prizes did Kat Torres win in the prison beauty pageant?
I'm looking at another picture now where it's just Kat with what looks like, I don't know, some sort of prison official. She's holding like a price?
Yep.
What could possibly be in that box? What did she win? I can't tell by zooming in. What did she win?
I do recall that the first place would take home a... How do you call them? Iron planks in English? The ones used to iron your hair?
Oh, like a flat iron?
A flat iron, yeah, precisely. And a table fan as well, which are two very useful things.
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Chapter 5: How did Kat Torres react emotionally to winning the beauty pageant?
Honestly, great prices.
They are. And she was awarded both of them.
In or out of prison, great prices.
Great prices.
But I'm sure in prison, those are even better things to have, like very coveted items.
Yeah.
Getting into like more serious topic, though, what do you think is actually going through her mind, Kat's mind? Because we know that she went through some really dark moments while in prison. And then she has this moment of I'm imagining, you know, it wasn't just sprung on them that they were having a beauty pageant. I'm sure that she was looking forward to it. Maybe she wasn't. I don't know.
What do you think is going through her mind during all of this during the show and when she wins?
What I've learned from her family and the people close to her is that she was really thrilled about it. It was the first time she had a glimpse of hope and she had a glimpse of excitement over anything that happened since she was arrested. But I do think we should also address the fact that now that she's getting more media attention, her life seems to be filled with meaning.
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Chapter 6: What was Kat Torres’s background in beauty pageants before prison?
now that she sought after, now that people have interest in her life again, that she felt abandoned in this first period in which she was arrested, that she felt left out. And now that the media include us in that as well, we cannot be hypocritical about it. We also got in touch with her, with her family. We wrote her letters.
So there was a certain level of attention she got, and she seems to be satisfied with the attention she's getting from the media.
I don't even know what to do with that because I want to say like, you know, my initial reaction is like, I'm glad that she's not in a dark place. I'm glad that she's, you know, wakes up in the morning and find some sort of meaning with her existence. But then it's also kind of like, oh, but is the only meaning in your life, the attention that you get from others because of your beauty.
But I do think that it summarizes very well her life story. The way she was treated since a kid and the way she started treating other women when she gained power and she conquered influence. She always taught people that they should manage to get control over other people through your beauty and through your youth. So I do think it makes a lot of sense. It's her modus operandus.
You know, in the episode where we get more into Kat's backstory, you know, there was so much to get into that we didn't dive too deep into the fact that she actually competed in a beauty contest in Brazil at a national level, right? So she did start with beauty contests. Can you get into that a little more?
When she was about 23, she was living in Italy, but not really getting the modeling jobs she thought she would get once in Europe. So she headed back to Brazil to enter the Miss Sao Paulo beauty pageant. I spoke with Jean Polito, one of the people who worked for the beauty pageants. He helped run the pageants all over Brazil.
You know, I only understand a little bit of Portuguese. So what is he saying there on that tape?
So he's pretty much saying there are two ways to enter a competition. The first one is the regular way. You enter by winning a local city pageant, then the state one, and then you get to represent your state in the national competition. The other way is to get nominated by someone and go straight to the state competition. And that's the way Kat did, since she didn't even live in Cairo.
She had never set foot there in that city.
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Chapter 7: How did Jean Polito describe Kat’s skills and performance in beauty contests?
She did pretty good, according to Johnny Polito. The man who trained her remotely, at first by video calls, because she was in Europe, he describes her as a natural. So Jean says he had to teach her a couple of things, like walking like a beauty queen and to wave softly and very delicately, but... She, he says it wasn't all that much teaching. He says she was a natural.
And one of the good things besides being beautiful, being very pretty and very model-like, she already spoke some English, which was essential. And it's not very common in Brazil. If you want to go higher, if you want to go to Miss America or Miss Universe, Miss World, you have to be bilingual.
Miss Caieiras.
Ok, so she's in the contest. She's on TV. I can see her in this video. She's walking to the front of the stage. She's got, you know, one hand on her waist. She's smiling at the judges. She totally looks like she's done this before, by the way.
Yeah, she does. And that's when she makes it to the quarterfinals. I guess she's among the 12 or 10 finalists of the contest in a contest that held close to 40 contestants.
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Chapter 8: What was the public and media reaction to Kat Torres’s beauty pageant career?
And at this point, I mean, this is being broadcast on live national TV, right? Which means that Kat is being seen all over Brazilian households that night, right?
She got her face seen by millions of Brazilians. But unfortunately... Miss Ribeirão Preto! She didn't make it through the semifinals. She got the shot, but she showed zero emotion. So that was also something people noticed that many contestants, especially Brazilians, we were criers, we're big emotion showers. They do cry and they do show the stress. They do show sadness on stage, But she didn't.
Even the beauty, the beauty queens, they're not taught to like just smile and wave and they like actually break down and they're like... One thing is being trained to do something.
The other is doing it with excellence. And we're not good at it. I mean, we do praise emotions. I think we do take emotions really seriously. And that's not frowned upon in Brazil. That's seen as strength. That's why some people raise their eyebrows when she got the word that she had taken the job and she didn't react.
And what did her trainer say? Was he surprised that she didn't make it farther?
He was shocked. Jean was really convinced that Kat was one of the favorites to win the crown. And he says, till this day, she was one of the best contestants he has worked with.
So then after this, what did Kat do next?
She got on a plane and flew right back to Europe. Never took part in a beauty pageant again, I mean.
Until prison, of course. Yeah. What do you think it was about beauty pageants for her? I guess it's sort of easy to think that so much of it is about validation for her, right? But maybe it's about a different form of validation.
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