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Class with Mason
How to Build Socialism from Below
Yeah, it's about shifting from a mindset of scarcity and competition to one of abundance and collaboration, realizing that we're all interconnected. Absolutely. And our well-being is tied to the well-being of everyone else. Beautifully put. And honestly, this inner transformation might be the most important step of all.
Class with Mason
How to Build Socialism from Below
And like Murray Bookchin wrote, to conceive of a liberated society is to conceive of a society that fosters the liberatory potential of every individual.
Class with Mason
How to Build Socialism from Below
Don't let the enormity of the task intimidate you.
Class with Mason
How to Build Socialism from Below
Remember, even the longest journey starts with a single step.
Class with Mason
How to Build Socialism from Below
OK. So like when I spend hours baking a cake with my kids just for the fun of it. Yeah. I'm actually engaging in like a mini rebellion.
Class with Mason
How to Build Socialism from Below
So if we want to build socialism from below, it's not just about protesting or organizing. It's about reclaiming our power to do and creating these spaces where different values can flourish.
Class with Mason
How to Build Socialism from Below
What I find fascinating is your sources don't just talk about socialism like it's some abstract concept.
Class with Mason
How to Build Socialism from Below
They're actively building alternative systems right within like the existing framework.
Class with Mason
How to Build Socialism from Below
And what's really interesting about these examples is that they're not just about creating like a better economic system. Right. They're about addressing the deeper inequalities and injustices that are like baked into our current society.
Class with Mason
How to Build Socialism from Below
Absolutely. And your sources are really clear about that. This work often involves focusing on the needs and experiences of those who have been most marginalized by the current system.
Class with Mason
How to Build Socialism from Below
They actually get down into the like the nitty gritty of how people are trying to actually build it.
Class with Mason
How to Build Socialism from Below
Yes. And they argue that by centering their efforts on those who have been most impacted by injustice, they're not only creating a more equitable local economy. Right. But they're also laying the groundwork for a broader societal transformation. Yeah. So they're showing us that building socialism from below is not just about creating something new.
Class with Mason
How to Build Socialism from Below
It's about dismantling the old structures of oppression that hold us back.
Class with Mason
How to Build Socialism from Below
One of the key ideas that comes up again and again is this concept of dual power. So it's this idea of participating in existing political systems while simultaneously building these alternative structures that embody the values of the society they're striving to create.
Class with Mason
How to Build Socialism from Below
And your sources highlight that this requires a very specific kind of movement building. OK. One that's not just focused on winning a particular campaign or policy change. Yeah. But on developing the skills and relationships and consciousness necessary for a truly democratic and participatory society.
Class with Mason
How to Build Socialism from Below
Precisely. And this is where the idea of direct democracy comes in, which seems to be a recurring theme throughout your sources.
Class with Mason
How to Build Socialism from Below
And what's fascinating is how this concept challenges the limitations of our current like representative democracies where power is often concentrated in the hands of, you know, a select few.
Class with Mason
How to Build Socialism from Below
It's about reclaiming our power to directly shape our own lives and communities.
Class with Mason
How to Build Socialism from Below
Absolutely. And that's where this whole building socialism from below thing comes in. OK. It's about creating change from the ground up through everyday actions and grassroots movements.
Class with Mason
How to Build Socialism from Below
That's a great point. And one of your sources, Murray Bookchin, he actually acknowledges both the potential and the limitations of direct democracy.
Class with Mason
How to Build Socialism from Below
He suggests that while the ideal of a fully participatory society might seem utopian, there are practical ways to implement elements of direct democracy, even within the constraints of existing systems.
Class with Mason
How to Build Socialism from Below
And Bookchin argues that these localized forms of direct democracy can serve as a training ground for developing those skills and that consciousness.
Class with Mason
How to Build Socialism from Below
Necessary for a more radically democratic future.
Class with Mason
How to Build Socialism from Below
Precisely. And this brings us to an important question that your sources raise. Can we really build socialism from below solely by focusing on these local grassroots movements? Yeah. Or do we need to engage with these larger scale political and economic systems as well?
Class with Mason
How to Build Socialism from Below
That's the million dollar question. And it's something that we're going to delve into further in part two of this deep dive. We'll explore how these grassroots initiatives can actually connect and expand and how they can potentially influence larger systems of power. But for now, let's just take a moment to digest what we've learned so far.
Class with Mason
How to Build Socialism from Below
You know, it's interesting how much our idea of work has been shaped by capitalism. Right. Like we're so used to thinking of it as just a way to make money. Right. But what if we could reimagine work as something more, something more fulfilling, something that benefits both us and our community?
Class with Mason
How to Build Socialism from Below
Exactly. And one of the key things your sources highlight is this idea of prefigurative politics.
Class with Mason
How to Build Socialism from Below
It's a big question. And even socialists have different ideas about how work would function.
Class with Mason
How to Build Socialism from Below
In a post-capitalist world. Right. But one of your sources suggests that, you know, change doesn't have to happen all at once. OK. They point to worker cooperatives as a way to kind of bring democratic ownership into the workplace, even within the current system.
Class with Mason
How to Build Socialism from Below
Exactly. As these cooperatives grow and connect, they could create a whole parallel system.
Class with Mason
How to Build Socialism from Below
Right. Each of those shows how people are meeting their needs outside of the traditional market based on helping each other out, not just making a profit.
Class with Mason
How to Build Socialism from Below
Jackson Rising Redux talks about how these gardens become spaces for learning, sharing skills, connecting people from different backgrounds.
Class with Mason
How to Build Socialism from Below
Precisely. And it's a model that could be scaled up to create a more local, resilient food system, less reliant on big industrial farms and global supply chains.
Class with Mason
How to Build Socialism from Below
To trade their skills and time directly. OK. Without needing traditional money.
Class with Mason
How to Build Socialism from Below
Exactly. And what's cool about time banks is they value all kinds of work equally.
Class with Mason
How to Build Socialism from Below
So an hour of child care is worth the same as an hour of legal advice.
Class with Mason
How to Build Socialism from Below
Precisely. It's a system built on community and helping each other out.
Class with Mason
How to Build Socialism from Below
While time banks might not replace money entirely.
Class with Mason
How to Build Socialism from Below
They do show us a different way of valuing and exchanging things, making it more equitable and sustainable.
Class with Mason
How to Build Socialism from Below
There's a big difference between sharing for genuine cooperation and sharing as a way to make money within the capitalist system.
Class with Mason
How to Build Socialism from Below
So if we want a society that's democratic and egalitarian, we need to practice that right now within our movements.
Class with Mason
How to Build Socialism from Below
Exactly. It all comes down to the values behind the model. True sharing in this context is about access and distribution based on need, not profit.
Class with Mason
How to Build Socialism from Below
Precisely. Imagine open source software for things like decentralized energy grids, community owned communication networks, platforms for collaborative production. The possibilities are pretty exciting.
Class with Mason
How to Build Socialism from Below
And it goes beyond just economic systems. It's changing our relationship with technology, with nature, with each other.
Class with Mason
How to Build Socialism from Below
Exactly. And while it might seem like a huge undertaking, your sources emphasize that it doesn't have to happen overnight.
Class with Mason
How to Build Socialism from Below
These small localized initiatives can grow and connect.
Class with Mason
How to Build Socialism from Below
Eventually creating a ripple effect that leads to larger changes.
Class with Mason
How to Build Socialism from Below
The sources you've given us are like a compass pointing us towards a more just and equitable future.
Class with Mason
How to Build Socialism from Below
Okay, good idea. We've been exploring how to build socialism from below, focusing on grassroots action, prefigurative politics, and creating alternatives within the existing system.
Class with Mason
How to Build Socialism from Below
So the question now is how can you as an individual contribute to this?
Class with Mason
How to Build Socialism from Below
How can you take these concepts and apply them to your own life and community?
Class with Mason
How to Build Socialism from Below
Well, the good news is you don't have to, like, wait for a revolution or become a full time activist.
Class with Mason
How to Build Socialism from Below
Your sources emphasize starting small right where you are.
Class with Mason
How to Build Socialism from Below
Look around your community. What needs aren't being met?
Class with Mason
How to Build Socialism from Below
What are the things that like bug you that you wish were different?
Class with Mason
How to Build Socialism from Below
Exactly. And it doesn't have to be some huge project, you know.
Class with Mason
How to Build Socialism from Below
Maybe you start a community garden in your neighborhood. Organize a skill sharing workshop. Right. Or join a local time bank.
Class with Mason
How to Build Socialism from Below
Plus, it's a lot more fun to build a new world with friends.
Class with Mason
How to Build Socialism from Below
And as we discussed, this idea of prefigured of politics.
Class with Mason
How to Build Socialism from Below
Means engaging with existing systems while also creating these alternatives.
Class with Mason
How to Build Socialism from Below
So this makes me think of one of the things that John Holloway talks about the idea of doing as a form of resistance. Right. He argues that even under capitalism. Yeah. We still have this power to do this capacity to create and produce things outside of you know the market system.
Class with Mason
How to Build Socialism from Below
Precisely. And political engagement goes beyond just elections.
Class with Mason
How to Build Socialism from Below
Things like advocating for community land trusts, promoting worker ownership models, supporting policies that help time banks and local exchange systems grow.
Class with Mason
How to Build Socialism from Below
You know, one of the most important takeaways for me from all of this is that it's not just about changing external systems. It's about changing ourselves.
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Sujata Bhatt: A Multicultural Poet's Journey
They're full of Indian myths, deities, landscapes. Yeah. It's this vivid reflection of her connection to her roots.
Class with Mason
Sujata Bhatt: A Multicultural Poet's Journey
I mean, one of the things that makes her so unique. Yeah. Is that she uses language in such a masterful way. It's not just English. Right. She also weaves in Gujarati and Hindi. Wow. So you get this incredible linguistic tapestry.
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Sujata Bhatt: A Multicultural Poet's Journey
It's not just translation, though. It's like a fusion of languages. Yeah. It's a way of capturing how complex her identity is.
Class with Mason
Sujata Bhatt: A Multicultural Poet's Journey
Yeah, it's a powerful theme. And I think it resonates with a lot of people because so many people have navigated different cultures and languages. So it's really about the search for belonging, you know, that feeling of being caught between worlds. And she captures it with this raw honesty and poetic beauty.
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Sujata Bhatt: A Multicultural Poet's Journey
It's such a beautiful example of how inspiration can transcend boundaries.
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Sujata Bhatt: A Multicultural Poet's Journey
Like she wrote poems about Maderson Becker, weaving in her own personal reflections with this kind of artistic admiration. Yeah. It's really about the connection between art forms.
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Sujata Bhatt: A Multicultural Poet's Journey
How one form of art can inspire another.
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Sujata Bhatt: A Multicultural Poet's Journey
I think it's that they share a certain sensibility.
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Sujata Bhatt: A Multicultural Poet's Journey
Like they both capture the essence of human emotion and experience through their different mediums. They both grapple with identity, womanhood, the search for meaning in a world that often feels very chaotic and fragmented. So it's like they're both using their art to try to make sense of the world.
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Sujata Bhatt: A Multicultural Poet's Journey
You know, these aren't just accolades. They really represent a shift in how the world views poetry from diverse voices. So her awards show a growing appreciation for work that transcends borders, that speaks to these complex cultural identities and the universality of human experience. It's really remarkable.
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Sujata Bhatt: A Multicultural Poet's Journey
And her work as a translator kind of furthers that.
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Sujata Bhatt: A Multicultural Poet's Journey
Because she's translated Gujarati poetry into English. So she's introducing new poets to a wider audience. And she's also building bridges between cultures through language.
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Sujata Bhatt: A Multicultural Poet's Journey
That's exactly right. And that's why her work is so important. It really challenges us to expand our understanding of what poetry can be, who can be a poet, and how poetry can help us connect with the world.
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Sujata Bhatt: A Multicultural Poet's Journey
You know, it's funny you use the word remarkable because her life does kind of defy easy categorization. Yeah. You know, she was born in India. Right. But she lived in the U.S. and Germany. And she comes from a traditional Gujarati Brahmin family with a real emphasis on oral storytelling. Oh, wow.
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Sujata Bhatt: A Multicultural Poet's Journey
You know, critics have really praised her for her ability to explore the human experience with depth and nuance. They often mention her courage in addressing these difficult themes of colonialism, cultural displacement, the search for identity. She doesn't shy away from complexity. She embraces it. And that honesty is part of what makes her work so powerful.
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Sujata Bhatt: A Multicultural Poet's Journey
Exactly. She's not just reflecting the world. She's actively engaging with it and inviting us to see things in new ways, to question the narratives we've been told.
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Sujata Bhatt: A Multicultural Poet's Journey
Well, they're so evocative. They're like these little windows into her imagination, each one giving us a glimpse of a different world, like monkey shadows. Immediately, it makes me think of mystery. of something playful, but maybe a little unsettling. Like what are those shadows? Are they literal shadows or are they something more metaphorical? Oh, interesting.
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Sujata Bhatt: A Multicultural Poet's Journey
Maybe the shadows of our past, things we try to hide. Or the secrets that we keep buried deep down inside.
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Sujata Bhatt: A Multicultural Poet's Journey
Lizards are interesting creatures. They shed their skin. They adapt to their surroundings. They're symbols of resilience and renewal. I wonder if pure lizard is delving into these themes of personal growth, of shedding old identities. And embracing new ones.
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Sujata Bhatt: A Multicultural Poet's Journey
You're definitely picking up on something there. Yeah.
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Sujata Bhatt: A Multicultural Poet's Journey
Her poetry is very rooted in the natural world. She uses imagery of trees, animals, landscapes to explore these really deep truths about what it means to be human.
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Sujata Bhatt: A Multicultural Poet's Journey
That means a woman possessed by a ghost.
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Sujata Bhatt: A Multicultural Poet's Journey
You know, so you've got all these different elements, the global perspective, the cultural heritage, the storytelling tradition. And it kind of all weaves together in this tapestry of her work.
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Sujata Bhatt: A Multicultural Poet's Journey
So that's a powerful image. Yeah. And it makes me wonder what kind of poems are going to be in there.
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Sujata Bhatt: A Multicultural Poet's Journey
It's possible. This idea of a woman possessed by a ghost could be a metaphor for the pressures that women face or the ways in which the past kind of comes back to haunt us.
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Sujata Bhatt: A Multicultural Poet's Journey
That's the beauty of poetry. Yeah. It's not about finding answers. It's about asking the right question.
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Sujata Bhatt: A Multicultural Poet's Journey
And opening yourself up to all these layers of meaning.
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Sujata Bhatt: A Multicultural Poet's Journey
It's this active process and dialogue between the poet and the reader. It's really neat.
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Sujata Bhatt: A Multicultural Poet's Journey
Well, critics often talk about her fearlessness and tackling tough subjects. They admire her willingness to confront those shadows, both personal and societal. But it's not just about the darkness. It's about finding light within the darkness. It's about resilience. It's about the human spirit persevering.
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Sujata Bhatt: A Multicultural Poet's Journey
That's exactly right. And I think that's what makes her work so relatable.
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Sujata Bhatt: A Multicultural Poet's Journey
To show her own struggles. Right. And by doing that, she helps us feel less alone in our own struggles.
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Sujata Bhatt: A Multicultural Poet's Journey
That's what great art does. It helps us make sense of our own lives, to connect with something larger than ourselves, and to find meaning even when everything feels chaotic.
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Sujata Bhatt: A Multicultural Poet's Journey
I think one of the things that makes her work so fascinating is the way that she blends the personal and the political, the individual and the collective. She uses her own experiences to explore these larger issues of cultural identity, displacement, and the effects of colonialism.
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Sujata Bhatt: A Multicultural Poet's Journey
And in doing that, she's giving a voice to the voiceless. She's amplifying the experiences of those who are often ignored.
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Sujata Bhatt: A Multicultural Poet's Journey
It's like she's saying, if you want to understand the world.
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Sujata Bhatt: A Multicultural Poet's Journey
Understand your own place within this larger tapestry of human experience.
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Sujata Bhatt: A Multicultural Poet's Journey
Exactly. And that's why her work is so important. It reminds us that even in our differences, we are all connected.
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Sujata Bhatt: A Multicultural Poet's Journey
You know, visceral, evocative, lyrical. She really has a way of painting pictures with words.
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Sujata Bhatt: A Multicultural Poet's Journey
In her modern language, you can hear those ancient rhythms.
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Sujata Bhatt: A Multicultural Poet's Journey
Doesn't she create these sensory experiences that just stay with you long after you finish the poem?
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Sujata Bhatt: A Multicultural Poet's Journey
It's like she's inviting us to step inside the poem, to feel the textures, smell the scents, hear the sounds.
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Sujata Bhatt: A Multicultural Poet's Journey
You know, chiseling away at the language.
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Sujata Bhatt: A Multicultural Poet's Journey
Like she's saying, I'm going to give you the essence, the heart of it. And I trust you to do the rest.
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Sujata Bhatt: A Multicultural Poet's Journey
And cadences. Okay. So there's this sense of history.
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Sujata Bhatt: A Multicultural Poet's Journey
That's part of what makes it so enriching.
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Sujata Bhatt: A Multicultural Poet's Journey
It's not about finding the right words. Right. It's about conveying the spirit, the rhythm, the emotional weight of the original. And when you're talking about poetry, it's even more challenging because so much depends on the sound, the imagery, the metaphor.
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Sujata Bhatt: A Multicultural Poet's Journey
Of generations passing down stories that just kind of permeates her work.
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Sujata Bhatt: A Multicultural Poet's Journey
Exactly. And sometimes you have to make tough choices.
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Sujata Bhatt: A Multicultural Poet's Journey
Or finding a different image that gives you a similar feeling. It's a real balancing act.
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Sujata Bhatt: A Multicultural Poet's Journey
Yeah, because she knows Gujarati and English so well.
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Sujata Bhatt: A Multicultural Poet's Journey
She can really get the nuances of each language. You know, she understands the cultural context, the shades of meaning. Yeah. All those things that can get lost in translation.
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Sujata Bhatt: A Multicultural Poet's Journey
And her translations aren't just about bringing Gujarati poetry to English speakers.
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Sujata Bhatt: A Multicultural Poet's Journey
Her early collections are really good examples of this.
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Sujata Bhatt: A Multicultural Poet's Journey
It's also about enriching the English language.
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Sujata Bhatt: A Multicultural Poet's Journey
By bringing in these new rhythms, new metaphors, new ways of seeing the world. It's amazing how language. It is.
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Sujata Bhatt: A Multicultural Poet's Journey
I think she'll be remembered as a pioneer, a poet who broke down barriers and expanded our idea of what poetry can be. She showed us that it can be personal and political, deeply rooted in her heritage, but still universal.
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Sujata Bhatt: A Multicultural Poet's Journey
And her legacy goes beyond her own work. She really paved the way for other poets from marginalized communities to challenge the status quo and to share their unique voices.
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Derrida's Critique of Logocentrism: The Deconstruction of the World
OK, so where does deconstruction come in?
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Derrida's Critique of Logocentrism: The Deconstruction of the World
Is it like just tearing everything down, saying nothing matters?
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Derrida's Critique of Logocentrism: The Deconstruction of the World
It's more like like nihilism.
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Derrida's Critique of Logocentrism: The Deconstruction of the World
Deconstruction is like realizing the editing. Yeah. Becoming aware of the editing process of our own thinking.
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Derrida's Critique of Logocentrism: The Deconstruction of the World
Right. It literally shaped what they could see.
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Derrida's Critique of Logocentrism: The Deconstruction of the World
Their worldview. That's language as more than just a neutral tool.
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Derrida's Critique of Logocentrism: The Deconstruction of the World
It's got all these cultural beliefs baked in.
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Derrida's Critique of Logocentrism: The Deconstruction of the World
Derrida would say yes. It's not just swapping words. You're trying to bridge different ways of seeing the world.
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Derrida's Critique of Logocentrism: The Deconstruction of the World
Yeah, Derrida really shook things up in philosophy. He said that language isn't just some neutral tool we use, like actually shapes the way we see the world.
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Derrida's Critique of Logocentrism: The Deconstruction of the World
And that challenges this idea of structuralism, which saw language as this neat system. Derrida said, nope, meaning is fluid.
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Derrida's Critique of Logocentrism: The Deconstruction of the World
Always in play, depending on the context.
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Derrida's Critique of Logocentrism: The Deconstruction of the World
Which reminds me of another thing Derrida messed with. The whole speech versus writing thing.
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Derrida's Critique of Logocentrism: The Deconstruction of the World
I always thought of writing as just like recording speech.
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Derrida's Critique of Logocentrism: The Deconstruction of the World
Speech is the real deal.
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Derrida's Critique of Logocentrism: The Deconstruction of the World
And writing is just the copycat.
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Derrida's Critique of Logocentrism: The Deconstruction of the World
He says writing has its own power, its own way of shaping how we think. Think about taking notes during a lecture.
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Derrida's Critique of Logocentrism: The Deconstruction of the World
Even if it's just scribbles, it helps you understand the ideas better than just hearing them.
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Derrida's Critique of Logocentrism: The Deconstruction of the World
Right. Writing lets us engage with ideas on a deeper level. It's not just recording. It's actively making meaning.
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Derrida's Critique of Logocentrism: The Deconstruction of the World
That's the question Derrida was wrestling with. The old school view is that there's one right interpretation, what the author meant. But Derrida and folks like Roland Barthes said no way. Meaning isn't set by the writer. It comes alive in the interaction.
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Derrida's Critique of Logocentrism: The Deconstruction of the World
I like that. You got it. The text is the framework, but the reader brings their own stuff to it.
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Derrida's Critique of Logocentrism: The Deconstruction of the World
Their own interpretations.
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Derrida's Critique of Logocentrism: The Deconstruction of the World
And that creates a unique meaning.
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Derrida's Critique of Logocentrism: The Deconstruction of the World
That's what he's getting at.
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Derrida's Critique of Logocentrism: The Deconstruction of the World
There's evidence that points that way.
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Derrida's Critique of Logocentrism: The Deconstruction of the World
It's not just about the words.
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Derrida's Critique of Logocentrism: The Deconstruction of the World
It's about sharing and reinterpreting them. Meaning is always being made and remade.
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Derrida's Critique of Logocentrism: The Deconstruction of the World
Hmm. Interesting question.
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Derrida's Critique of Logocentrism: The Deconstruction of the World
It's a lot to take in.
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Derrida's Critique of Logocentrism: The Deconstruction of the World
He does. And we're just getting started.
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Derrida's Critique of Logocentrism: The Deconstruction of the World
Well, now that we've laid the groundwork, I think it's time to see how we can actually use these ideas.
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Derrida's Critique of Logocentrism: The Deconstruction of the World
How can we use deconstruction in our everyday lives?
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Derrida's Critique of Logocentrism: The Deconstruction of the World
We'll get into that in the next part of our deep dive. Welcome back. You ready for more?
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Derrida's Critique of Logocentrism: The Deconstruction of the World
Well, you sent over an article about logocentrism.
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Derrida's Critique of Logocentrism: The Deconstruction of the World
That's something Derrida really grappled with. He said translation is never just like a one-to-one thing. There's always interpretation, you know, like the translator is recreating it, adding a bit of their own worldview to the new text.
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Derrida's Critique of Logocentrism: The Deconstruction of the World
One on Deirdre's critique of structuralism. And that really fascinating story about those Spanish explorers who totally misjudged the Grand Canyon.
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Derrida's Critique of Logocentrism: The Deconstruction of the World
Exactly. And that's because languages aren't just words. They carry whole cultural histories, you know, assumptions, ways of seeing the world.
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Derrida's Critique of Logocentrism: The Deconstruction of the World
Sometimes huge. Yeah.
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Derrida's Critique of Logocentrism: The Deconstruction of the World
It's a phrase that needs a lot of unpacking, but it gets at the core of Derrida's thinking. Basically, he's saying we can never completely step outside of language to access some cure reality. Our understanding is always filtered through language and the culture it comes from.
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Derrida's Critique of Logocentrism: The Deconstruction of the World
Exactly. There's no escaping the influence of language.
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Derrida's Critique of Logocentrism: The Deconstruction of the World
Even our own experiences.
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Derrida's Critique of Logocentrism: The Deconstruction of the World
That's a great way to put it.
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Derrida's Critique of Logocentrism: The Deconstruction of the World
And Derrida says that's not a bad thing. It's something to be aware of. It means we need to recognize that how we interpret the world is always shaped by the language we use.
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Derrida's Critique of Logocentrism: The Deconstruction of the World
A lot of people misunderstand Derrida that way. He wasn't saying that anything goes. It's more about being aware of how language limits us.
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Derrida's Critique of Logocentrism: The Deconstruction of the World
Because their language just couldn't handle it.
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Derrida's Critique of Logocentrism: The Deconstruction of the World
Yeah. We need to be aware of our own assumptions.
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Derrida's Critique of Logocentrism: The Deconstruction of the World
And question how language is used to create power structures.
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Derrida's Critique of Logocentrism: The Deconstruction of the World
Right. And recognizing that language plays a huge role in that.
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Derrida's Critique of Logocentrism: The Deconstruction of the World
I love that analogy.
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Derrida's Critique of Logocentrism: The Deconstruction of the World
That speaks to the power of Derrida's work. He makes us question our assumptions.
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Derrida's Critique of Logocentrism: The Deconstruction of the World
And recognize that there are always multiple perspectives.
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Derrida's Critique of Logocentrism: The Deconstruction of the World
One way is to question those binary oppositions we use to understand the world. Those either categories.
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Derrida's Critique of Logocentrism: The Deconstruction of the World
Nature culture. We tend to think in opposites.
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Derrida's Critique of Logocentrism: The Deconstruction of the World
And Derrida argues that these binaries aren't natural or fixed. They're created and maintained by language.
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Derrida's Critique of Logocentrism: The Deconstruction of the World
Exposing the power dynamics and showing how they can be challenged, even subverted.
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Let's go back to speech versus writing, which we talked about before. Traditionally, speech has been seen as the more authentic form.
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While writing is just a copy.
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But Derrida flipped that on its head.
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Right. He said writing has its own power. It can be more subversive. A written text can reach more people.
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It's the idea that Western thought has always been obsessed with finding this like stable, unchanging center of meaning. Okay.
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It can be reinterpreted over time.
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Exactly. So by deconstructing this binary, we see the limits of assuming one form of communication is better.
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Right. And this has real implications. Think about legal stuff where written contracts matter more than oral agreements. Oh, yeah. By deconstructing this hierarchy, we can question it and push for a more balanced approach.
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That's great. And that's what Derrida was all about. He wanted us to question our assumptions.
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And recognize that there are always multiple perspectives.
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Especially in today's world.
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Exactly. We're bombarded with messages. Derrida gives us tools to analyze them.
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To think for ourselves.
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But we're not done yet.
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In the next part, we'll explore what all this means for how we understand ourselves and our place in the world. Stay tuned.
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That's the heart of it. Derrida's work challenges us to see language as this active force, right? Not just a tool.
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Like a building.
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We talked about how deconstruction can help us question those binary oppositions.
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And become more critical of information.
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But I'm curious about the bigger picture. How does this affect how we see ourselves in the world?
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So it's like an endless chain of meaning.
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Like how the way we interpret history changes over time.
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Derrida said this applies not just to language, but to our identities too.
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With one true self.
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So instead of trying to define ourselves in these rigid ways, we should be okay with the fact that we're complex and always changing. Embrace the fluidity.
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It's like we're all works in progress, always being written and rewritten.
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Yeah. Like those are the bedrock.
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About language and meaning and to embrace the ambiguity.
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It's not always about finding the answer. It's about asking better questions, being open to the fact that we're always learning.
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I think the most important thing is to remember that language is powerful. It shapes how we think, how we see things, even who we are. By understanding how language works, we can become better thinkers, better communicators, more in control of our own lives.
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Even the idea that language has these fixed structures, like words have set meanings. It's like we assume there's a logic to language so we all understand each other.
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And that's just the beginning. There's so much more to explore in Derrida's work, so keep digging and see what you discover.
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Review on The 36 Rules for Life by Mason Carter
Exactly. And that kind of balanced perspective, that ability to hold both hope and realism in our hearts at the same time, is something he sees as essential for navigating the ups and downs of life.
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Review on The 36 Rules for Life by Mason Carter
Well, he dives right into forgiveness, which you might think, OK, yeah, forgiveness, that's important. But he goes deeper. He talks about how true forgiveness isn't about letting someone off the hook. It's about releasing yourself from the burden of anger and resentment.
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It's true. We're constantly evaluating each other, making snap judgments based on limited information.
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He encourages us to remember that everyone is fighting a battle we know nothing about.
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Exactly. And he takes it a step further. He says, judge a person by their standards, not by yours.
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Exactly. It's about recognizing that our perspectives are shaped by our own unique life experiences. And what might seem strange or wrong to us might make perfect sense within the framework of someone else's life.
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Beautifully said. And that reminds me of something else Carter talks about, which is surprisingly relevant to today's world, social media.
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Well, he's surprisingly optimistic about it. He sees it as this powerful tool for connection and empathy, even though it often gets a bad rap for promoting superficiality and division.
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Exactly. He actually encourages us to use social media to identify those who are struggling and to offer them support. He sees it as a way to tap into the shared human experience to remind ourselves that we're not alone in our struggles.
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And that brings us to one of Carter's most poignant roles, which is about how we treat our aging parents. He has this line that always gets me right in the feels. When their words echo innocence, spare them harshness, for age is a return to childhood.
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Exactly. It's about recognizing that aging can be a challenging and disorienting experience and that our loved ones need our love and support more than ever during those times.
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Beautifully said. And that, I think, speaks to the heart of what Carter is trying to do with his 36 rules for life. He's not offering a prescriptive set of do's and don'ts, but rather a collection of insights and reflections on how to live a more meaningful, compassionate and fulfilling life.
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Exactly. He actually says that forgiveness is ultimately a gift we give ourselves. It's about choosing to break free from those chains and step into a more empowered present.
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Exactly. And to remember that even though the journey can be messy and unpredictable, there's always beauty to be found, wisdom to be gleaned, and love to be shared along the way.
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Right. And that kind of self-reflection, that willingness to look inward is something he talks about a lot, like with courage, for example.
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It is, but he takes it a step further. He says that real courage often requires us to examine our own biases, insecurities and motivations before we judge others.
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Exactly. And that kind of humility is crucial, especially when it comes to giving and receiving criticism, which, let's be honest, most of us would rather avoid altogether.
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Definitely not your average author. That's for sure. I mean, where else are you going to find someone who quotes Edgar Allan Poe and libertarian socialists in the same breath?
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He's got some really solid advice for both sides. When we're giving criticism, he stresses the importance of assuming the best intentions. It's easy to jump to conclusions and assume the worst, but he encourages us to approach these conversations with empathy and a genuine desire to understand the other person's perspective.
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Absolutely. And he also emphasizes the importance of being specific, focusing on actions and words rather than resorting to personal attacks. You know, like you always do this or you never do that. He suggests we ask ourselves a really interesting question before offering critique. What was that?
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He says, what would I have thought and said had I inherited the same background, culture and upbringing as the person being critiqued?
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Exactly. It's a powerful reminder that our perspectives are limited and we can't possibly understand the complexities of another person's journey unless we're willing to truly listen and try to see the world through their eyes.
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Beautifully said. And that brings us back to this idea of approaching criticism with humility, which Carter believes is essential for personal growth. He actually suggests that we strive to be our own harshest critics.
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Exactly. When we're willing to hold ourselves accountable to acknowledge our own shortcomings, it takes the sting out of external criticism. We're less likely to crumble because we're already engaged in that process of self-reflection and growth.
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He's a bit of a Renaissance man, teaches English lit, has this whole thing for Gothic poetry, but then he's super passionate about social justice, equality, you know, the whole libertarian socialist thing.
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Exactly. And that kind of self-awareness, that willingness to both celebrate our strengths and acknowledge our weaknesses, is a cornerstone of what Carter calls true humility.
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For Carter, it's about recognizing the limits of human reason. It's about letting go of the need to be right all the time and acknowledging that we all make mistakes. We all have blind spots.
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Exactly. It's about approaching life with an open mind and a willingness to learn and grow from our interactions with others. And this ties beautifully into his thoughts on selflessness, which, surprisingly, he links to love.
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Well, he argues that true love in its purest form is the ultimate act of selflessness. It's about putting the needs and well-being of another person above your own, about recognizing that their happiness and fulfillment are just as important as your own.
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Exactly. He sees love as this expansive force that has the power to transform not only our individual lives, but also the world around us.
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Right. You're looking for some real guidance, something to shake things up a bit.
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Beautifully said. And that brings us to another one of Carter's key concepts, prefiguration.
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It's this really cool idea that societal change starts with individual transformation. In other words, we can't expect to create a more just and compassionate world if we're not actively working on becoming more just and compassionate individuals.
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Exactly. Carter believes that living in accordance with our values is the most powerful form of activism. It's about embodying the change we want to see in the world.
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He actually has some really insightful advice on that, which I think a lot of us could benefit from. He talks about this inner voice that tends to pop up when we're angry, a voice that tries to justify our rage, telling us we have every right to be upset.
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Review on The 36 Rules for Life by Mason Carter
Right. But Carter says that the key to managing anger is to silence that voice. He argues that no matter how justified our anger might feel, unleashing it on another person is never the answer.
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That's what makes Carter so interesting. He's not afraid of contradictions, of those shadowy parts of human nature that we often try to ignore. He actually thinks there's a lot we can learn from confronting the darkness head on.
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Exactly. He emphasizes that reacting with anger only perpetuates the cycle of negativity. It's about recognizing that we always have a choice, even in the heat of the moment, to respond with compassion and understanding rather than lashing out.
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For sure. But Carter reminds us that responding with anger rarely, if ever, leads to a positive outcome. It often escalates the situation, creating more hurt and resentment.
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Yes. And that includes apologizing when we mess up, which Carter believes is essential for personal growth and healthy relationships.
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He's a big believer in owning up to our mistakes, even when it's uncomfortable. He sees apologizing as an act of self-awareness and accountability, a way of acknowledging that our words and actions have an impact on others, and sometimes we screw up.
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Exactly. And that kind of humility, that willingness to admit when we're wrong and make amends, is something Carter sees as crucial not only for our personal growth, but also for building stronger, more authentic relationships.
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Beautifully said. And this emphasis on authenticity, on showing up as our true selves, even with all our imperfections, is something that comes up again when Carter talks about education.
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Well, he's pretty critical of the traditional model of education, which he sees as being too focused on churning out obedient employees rather than independent thinkers.
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Exactly. He believes that true education should ignite a fire in the hearts and minds of students, a thirst for knowledge and a passion for exploration.
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Exactly. Carter wants to see an education system that produces lifelong learners who are engaged, informed and equipped to make a positive impact on the world.
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Like Plato and Aristotle, if I'm remembering correctly.
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It's about recognizing that knowledge isn't static. It's constantly evolving. It's about adding our own voices to the ongoing conversation.
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Exactly. He's not trying to sugarcoat anything or pretend we're all just shining beacons of light. He's acknowledging the darkness, but he's not letting it drag him down. If anything, he sees it as fuel to strive for something better.
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Which, when you think about it, is what makes this deep dive so compelling. It's about going beyond those surface level interpretations and really grappling with these complex ideas.
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Exactly. Carter argues that when we try to present a curated version of ourselves to the world, we ultimately prevent ourselves from forming deep, meaningful connections.
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Review on The 36 Rules for Life by Mason Carter
Beautifully said. And this emphasis on authenticity, on embracing simplicity and vulnerability, extends to his definition of happiness as well.
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He has this amazing quote. Acquiring is relinquishing. Happiness is not found in material accumulation, but in the moment that is now and that is shared.
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Exactly. He believes that true happiness comes from a place of gratitude, connection, and presence. It's about letting go of the need to always be striving, achieving, accumulating, and instead finding joy in the simplicity of just being.
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Precisely. And he argues that this ability to find joy in the present moment is intimately connected to our relationships with others. Happiness, for Carter, isn't something we cultivate in isolation. It's something that flourishes in the context of loving, supportive relationships.
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Exactly. And Carter takes this idea even further, arguing that as we cultivate love and selflessness, our capacity for happiness expands beyond our immediate circle to encompass a sense of responsibility for the well-being of all beings.
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Review on The 36 Rules for Life by Mason Carter
Precisely. And this brings us back to his concept of prefiguration, the idea that individual transformation is the catalyst for societal change. Carter believes that as we cultivate greater love, compassion, and understanding within ourselves, those qualities naturally radiate outward, influencing our interactions with others and ultimately shaping the world around us.
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I love that imagery. And, you know, what's really striking about Carter's work is that even though he delves into these deep philosophical concepts, he always brings it back to the practical. He offers these really tangible, actionable steps we can take to incorporate these principles into our everyday lives.
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Exactly. He's not advocating for blind optimism or denying the very real challenges we face in the world. Instead, he's encouraging us to cultivate a sense of realistic optimism, a belief that things can get better even in the midst of difficulty if we're willing to do the work.
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Not quite. It's more like he's offering these signposts, these little nudges to help us navigate the complexities of life with more intention and awareness. And he doesn't shy away from the big stuff either.
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Review on The 36 Rules for Life by Mason Carter
Precisely. And he reminds us that this journey of self-improvement, this striving for a more just and compassionate world is a collective endeavor. We're not meant to do it alone.
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Review on The 36 Rules for Life by Mason Carter
Which is where Carter's 36 Rules for Life come in. They're not meant to be rigid dictates, but rather gentle nudges, invitations to approach life with more intention, compassion, and awareness.
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Review on The 36 Rules for Life by Mason Carter
Exactly, because sometimes the most profound truths are hidden in plain sight, just waiting for us to open our minds and hearts to receive them.
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Absolutely. And speaking of inspiration, Carter has some really interesting things to say about pessimism, which he sees as more of a strategic tool than a negative outlook.
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Well, he's not advocating for doom and gloom, but he does believe in being prepared for the worst, even while we're striving for the best.
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Exactly. He actually uses this great phrase, work for the best, but expect the worst.
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Review of Speaketh Like the Bard: A Guide to Speaking in Shakespearean English
Okay, so are you ready to, like, unlock a linguistic time capsule or what? Because today we are diving deep, and I mean deep, into Shakespearean English.
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Review of Speaketh Like the Bard: A Guide to Speaking in Shakespearean English
You guys send in those excerpts from Speaketh Like the Bard, and clearly you are all ready to start throwing around those D's and O's.
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Review of Speaketh Like the Bard: A Guide to Speaking in Shakespearean English
So Shakespeare's characters, they weren't just like speaking their lines, they were carefully navigating this like complex system of social cues and power dynamics with like every single word.
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Wow, it's insane how much meaning those two tiny pronouns carried.
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Oh, there's more.
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Yeah, those are great.
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Review of Speaketh Like the Bard: A Guide to Speaking in Shakespearean English
Wait, hold on. Are you saying those words weren't just for, like, dramatic flair?
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Review of Speaketh Like the Bard: A Guide to Speaking in Shakespearean English
So it's kind of like saying, oh, my gosh, instead of, oh, my God.
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Review of Speaketh Like the Bard: A Guide to Speaking in Shakespearean English
So you could express those strong emotions without, you know, getting in trouble with the church.
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Review of Speaketh Like the Bard: A Guide to Speaking in Shakespearean English
It really is amazing how much weight a single word could carry back then.
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Review of Speaketh Like the Bard: A Guide to Speaking in Shakespearean English
Maybe. Who knows? But seriously, though, where do we even begin?
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Review of Speaketh Like the Bard: A Guide to Speaking in Shakespearean English
It makes you realize how much language has evolved, even in the way we talk casually every day.
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Review of Speaketh Like the Bard: A Guide to Speaking in Shakespearean English
Speaking of expressive language, we got to talk about Shakespeare's insults, because those are legendary.
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Review of Speaketh Like the Bard: A Guide to Speaking in Shakespearean English
Like are we talking Hamlet's To Be or Not To Be?
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Review of Speaketh Like the Bard: A Guide to Speaking in Shakespearean English
Or maybe Macbeth's Is This a Dagger I See Before Me? Those speeches are practically musical. Is that because of the iambic pentameter we always hear about?
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OK, so for those of us who aren't Shakespearean scholars, can you break down exactly what iambic pentameter is? Like, what is it about it that makes it so powerful?
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Oh, I see. So it's not just what Shakespeare says. It's how he says it. The rhythm itself, like add something extra.
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Wow. You're so right. It's like the rhythm is carrying some of the weight of that line, like you were saying.
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Review of Speaketh Like the Bard: A Guide to Speaking in Shakespearean English
So even when they're cracking jokes, there's this rhythm underneath it all that makes it sound like more poetic or something.
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Review of Speaketh Like the Bard: A Guide to Speaking in Shakespearean English
So he wasn't afraid to switch things up when he needed to.
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Review of Speaketh Like the Bard: A Guide to Speaking in Shakespearean English
So if a character is like pouring their heart out, they're probably speaking in rhymes.
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Review of Speaketh Like the Bard: A Guide to Speaking in Shakespearean English
It's like Shakespeare hid a secret code in his work or something. And like by cracking that code, we can like uncover these layers of meaning we wouldn't get otherwise.
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Review of Speaketh Like the Bard: A Guide to Speaking in Shakespearean English
That's such a cool image.
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Review of Speaketh Like the Bard: A Guide to Speaking in Shakespearean English
But those regular everyday conversations, just the back and forth, that's where the unrhymed verse comes in.
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Review of Speaketh Like the Bard: A Guide to Speaking in Shakespearean English
So Shakespeare, he was going back and forth between these different kinds of verses to like control the mood of the scene, the pace, everything. He was like composing this symphony with his words, big melodies one minute, quiet reflection the next.
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Review of Speaketh Like the Bard: A Guide to Speaking in Shakespearean English
So true. Like wherefore instead of why and pretty instead of please. I have definitely felt intimidated by some of those words. Was he just trying to show off his vocabulary?
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Oh, wow. So we're not just reading his plays. We're seeing a language being like reborn right in front of us.
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Review of Speaketh Like the Bard: A Guide to Speaking in Shakespearean English
That's amazing. It's like he's giving us a front row seat to history. You know, like we can hear echoes of the past in our language and the way we speak today.
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Review of Speaketh Like the Bard: A Guide to Speaking in Shakespearean English
Speaking of stories, we've talked about how Shakespeare changed the English language. But what about like Theater itself. He wasn't just writing plays. He was creating a whole new way for people to like experience stories.
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Review of Speaketh Like the Bard: A Guide to Speaking in Shakespearean English
It's almost as famous as the plays themselves. What was so special about it?
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So it wasn't just the stories on stage that were breaking down barriers. It was the building itself. It was bringing people together from all walks of life.
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It's crazy. We really do owe a lot of what we love about live theater to what Shakespeare did at the Globe.
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Review of Speaketh Like the Bard: A Guide to Speaking in Shakespearean English
So true. Whether you're a Shakespeare expert or you're just now starting to read his work, there's always something new to find, something else to understand.
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Review of Speaketh Like the Bard: A Guide to Speaking in Shakespearean English
Oh, wow. I did not realize it was that serious. So was it like as simple as like thou for friends and you for everybody else?
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Review of Speaketh Like the Bard: A Guide to Speaking in Shakespearean English
It's not even just about understanding all those these and thous. It's about... Like experiencing how musical his language is, the wit, how his stories never get old.
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Review of Speaketh Like the Bard: A Guide to Speaking in Shakespearean English
Totally. But OK, before we get too carried away, we have to talk about one last thing about Shakespeare's work. Something people don't always notice with all the drama and everything. How he portrays women.
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That's for sure. So how did Shakespeare deal with that? Were his female characters just products of their time? Or was he trying to, I don't know, challenge those norms in a subtle way, maybe even a subversive way?
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I mean, you've got iconic characters like Juliet, right? She's like family. Who cares about family? I'm in love. But then you've got like way more complicated characters like Lady Macbeth. Talk about ambition. That woman was hungry for power.
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It's so interesting how Shakespeare doesn't shy away from showing just how complicated these women are. I mean, they're not just like the good girl or the bad girl. They're real people with their own wants and flaws and reasons for doing the things they do.
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I know, right? It's crazy to think these plays were written so long ago, but they're still relevant to conversations we're having today. Kind of makes you wonder, like, did Shakespeare have some secret agenda when he was creating these female characters? Or was he just reflecting the world around him, you know, a world that was starting to change?
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It's interesting that nobody can really agree on one answer. It says a lot about how powerful Shakespeare's work is, that we're still talking about this stuff today, centuries later, and we're still dealing with the same questions about gender roles and equality.
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Review of Speaketh Like the Bard: A Guide to Speaking in Shakespearean English
He definitely gives us a lot to think about. So as we wrap up this deep dive, what's like the one big thing you hope people will take away from our conversation about Shakespearean English?
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Review of Speaketh Like the Bard: A Guide to Speaking in Shakespearean English
It's so much more than figuring out what the and Dow mean. It's about feeling the music in the words, the jokes, how his stories are timeless.
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Review of Speaketh Like the Bard: A Guide to Speaking in Shakespearean English
And hey, you might even find yourself using a Shakespearean phrase here or there in your own life.
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Review of Speaketh Like the Bard: A Guide to Speaking in Shakespearean English
I think so. It's been so fun geeking out over Shakespeare with you today. Thanks for taking us on this journey with us.
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Review of Speaketh Like the Bard: A Guide to Speaking in Shakespearean English
And to everyone listening, until next time, may your days be full of amazing conversations, witty banter, and hey, if you need to throw out an insult, just remember to do it with a little Shakespearean flair.
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Review of Chaos of Dementia
It's such a sad parallel. It really makes you think about these cycles of abuse and how both Zero and Ziba are trapped by them, forced to navigate a world that seems determined to crush them.
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That's such a good observation. You know, it really shows how trauma changes us, how we present ourselves to the world. Ziba's appearance, it's like a shield. Her way of showing her, her struggles, her pain.
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Review of Chaos of Dementia
It's a turning point for Zero. Seeing Ziba, it's like he sees some hope, a little sign that compassion can exist even in a place like that.
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Review of Chaos of Dementia
It really challenges how we think about connection. It's not always about similar interests or backgrounds, but seeing someone's humanity, their resilience, sharing that. It makes you realize that those deep connections, those really meaningful connections, often come from going through tough stuff together. And Zero and Ziba, well, they see each other.
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Review of Chaos of Dementia
You can tell Zack is drawn to Ziba's, her strength, how she hides it behind that tough exterior. It's intriguing from the start, like two different worlds colliding.
Class with Mason
Review of Chaos of Dementia
It's a breath of fresh air for both of them, I think. Zero represents that harsh reality of Ziba's everyday life and then Zack. He represents this whole other world, something beyond Karachi.
Class with Mason
Review of Chaos of Dementia
Exactly. Zach, as good as his intentions are, he can't see how much Ziba's past weighs on her, the secrets that she keeps. And it's like a ticking time bomb in their relationship.
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Review of Chaos of Dementia
Yeah. And what I find really fascinating about these stories, about Zero and Ziva's stories, are how they kind of, they weave together in a way that shows how tragedy really impacts people and how our choices affect one another.
Class with Mason
Review of Chaos of Dementia
It's such a classic story, a clash of cultures, expectations. Zach's caught between loving Ziba and all that pressure, that societal pressure to be with a certain kind of person.
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Review of Chaos of Dementia
And his reaction, it just shows how destructive assumptions can be. Zack lets fear and those societal biases get in the way, and he betrays the one person, the one person he claims to love.
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Review of Chaos of Dementia
And Zack, oh man, he's full of guilt and regret. He goes back to England a changed man.
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Review of Chaos of Dementia
Faye represents a new start for Zach, a chance to escape his past. She pushes him to face his demons, to forgive himself, and to let himself love again.
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Review of Chaos of Dementia
But the thing is, Zach can't outrun his past. Ziba's memory, it still haunts him. He's wrestling with the guilt, the regret, and wondering what if, what if he'd made different choices?
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Review of Chaos of Dementia
And that's where their stories, they collide in this really tragic and thought-provoking way.
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Review of Chaos of Dementia
And his desperation, it leads him to do something, something that'll seal his fate. He tries to steal some food just to survive.
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Review of Chaos of Dementia
But it speaks volumes about the system, the inequality he faces every single day.
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Review of Chaos of Dementia
It's all about power, isn't it? These officers, they represent authority and they see Zero as a criminal, a threat, not a kid who's just hungry.
Class with Mason
Review of Chaos of Dementia
It makes you think about how fragile life is, especially for those who society ignores. Zero's death, it's fictional, sure, but it shows us the harsh reality for so many kids in Karachi.
Class with Mason
Review of Chaos of Dementia
And inside, a picture of Zach and Ziba, a reminder of their connection sent from a world away. Their lives are connected, even across continents. It's, well, it's eerie.
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Review of Chaos of Dementia
Zach's entire world falls apart, and he has to face the consequences of walking away from Ziba.
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Review of Chaos of Dementia
It's devastating. He's hit with grief, loss, betrayal, all at once. It's like the universe is forcing him to confront his pain, his past.
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Review of Chaos of Dementia
It speaks to the power of stories, don't you think? Zero and Ziba's lives, even though they're fictional, they give us a glimpse into human nature, the choices we make, the ripple effects, and the connections that endure even in the face of tragedy.
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Review of Chaos of Dementia
It's a good reminder that we're all connected in ways we may never fully understand. And our choices, no matter how small, well, they have a way of rippling outward, affecting more than just ourselves.
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Review of Chaos of Dementia
It's easy to get caught up in those questions, to think about the roads not taken. But maybe, just maybe, the real takeaway here is the resilience of the human spirit.
Class with Mason
Review of Chaos of Dementia
And it makes you wonder about the lasting effects of that kind of trauma on a kid, especially because he ends up with his uncle, Zen, who just seems to see every tragedy as well as an opportunity.
Class with Mason
Review of Chaos of Dementia
And that, to me, is truly remarkable. It tells us that even when surrounded by darkness, even when it seems like there's nothing left, the human spirit can still find a way to shine through.
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Review of Chaos of Dementia
It's chilling to think about how people can be so cold.
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Discussion on Mason Carter's Poetry
Exactly. Inequality, oppression, the things people often don't want to face head on.
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Discussion on Mason Carter's Poetry
Very evocative. Those are classic elements for sure.
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Discussion on Mason Carter's Poetry
Exactly. And all of it points to that Gothic idea of a world out of balance, a world where things just aren't right.
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Discussion on Mason Carter's Poetry
He's definitely using those Gothic tropes to make a point. Those decaying roses. That could be a metaphor. Maybe a dying social system. The demons. The human cost of oppression.
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Discussion on Mason Carter's Poetry
Well, you know, we've got to follow the threads that Carter's weaving together. His poems, they're all about these unexpected connections.
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Discussion on Mason Carter's Poetry
Well, you might find a line about lost love right next to a verse about, I don't know, revolution. It's like he's saying, forget what you think poetry is supposed to be.
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Discussion on Mason Carter's Poetry
All right, take the poem Immortal Legacy of Anathema. Even the title is giving you a lot to think about.
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Discussion on Mason Carter's Poetry
Basically, it's something that's completely rejected, cast out, considered cursed. And in the poem, you see this play out. You've got this condemned individual facing a fiery death, surrounded by a hostile mob. It's intense. It's dark. It's pure Gothic.
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Discussion on Mason Carter's Poetry
You're picking up on it. Carter connects this person's suffering to something bigger.
Class with Mason
Discussion on Mason Carter's Poetry
Exactly. The anathema, he becomes a symbol for anyone who challenges the system, anyone seen as a threat. It's a powerful image.
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Discussion on Mason Carter's Poetry
There is. It's like Carter's saying that even in the darkest times, love can endure. It's a powerful message.
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Discussion on Mason Carter's Poetry
You absolutely did. Those lines about wage slaves being burned alive. That's Carter tackling capitalism head on the very term wage slave. It's a powerful statement about how workers are treated.
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Discussion on Mason Carter's Poetry
That's an interesting observation. There are definitely hints of a deeper struggle. Take the tormented, for example. Lines like razor blades rip in his veins, bleak night visions fading away, and nights all cuts renewed brought euphoric memory, cursed ecstasy. I mean, this isn't just social commentary. It's deeply personal.
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Discussion on Mason Carter's Poetry
Exactly. And that connection between the personal and the political, it's a recurring theme in Carter's work.
Class with Mason
Discussion on Mason Carter's Poetry
It's a question worth pondering, isn't it? And speaking of things that bind us, but in a, let's say, more positive way.
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Discussion on Mason Carter's Poetry
And why not? Love, in all its messy glory, it's part of what makes us human.
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Discussion on Mason Carter's Poetry
It is, yeah. Changing your name, especially, I mean, when you're taking on a pen name like that, it often hints at like a need for reinvention.
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Discussion on Mason Carter's Poetry
Right. It's a fascinating contrast. Like, take The Dark Lullaby, for instance. The title alone, it's pure Gothic romance.
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Discussion on Mason Carter's Poetry
And let's not forget about Thy Fragrance. It's like a sensory explosion with those black roses that line about the aroma mesmerizing, bewitching, and hypnotizing. It just pulls you in.
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Discussion on Mason Carter's Poetry
It's almost as if he's saying that love, maybe even art itself, can heal us.
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Discussion on Mason Carter's Poetry
It is. And it seems like this idea of finding something good, something pure, even in the darkest of places, it's a thread that runs through a lot of his work.
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Discussion on Mason Carter's Poetry
Yeah, like a separation between the person's, you know, actual life and the persona they want in their art.
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Discussion on Mason Carter's Poetry
So we've talked about love, loss, and Carter's way of weaving social commentary into this gothic tapestry he's created. But it feels like he wants to take it a step further. It's not just about noticing these problems. It's like he's urging us to actually do something.
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Discussion on Mason Carter's Poetry
It's intense. That imagery of being trapped, drained. It's powerful stuff.
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Discussion on Mason Carter's Poetry
You mean like in the liberty? Because there's a lot of pain in that one, but then there's this image of writing dark hymns in the name of freedom. It's kind of inspiring, actually. It is. It speaks to the power of art as a form of resistance. Even when things feel impossible, there's power in speaking your truth, in refusing to be silenced.
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Discussion on Mason Carter's Poetry
Right. Rebel's Lullaby, for instance. It's about as far from a soothing bedtime rhyme as you can get.
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Discussion on Mason Carter's Poetry
Could be a way for Syed to explore different sides of himself, maybe reach a different audience too.
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Discussion on Mason Carter's Poetry
Lines like the red mob rally against the crown and to organize and fight is the only resolution. I mean, he's not leaving much room for interpretation there.
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Discussion on Mason Carter's Poetry
You know, it's an interesting question, right? Is he preaching to the choir or does he truly believe his words can spark a revolution?
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Discussion on Mason Carter's Poetry
And others, they might be completely thrown by it. It might challenge their worldview for the first time.
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Discussion on Mason Carter's Poetry
He's a fascinating figure, that's for sure. And if any of you out there have got another topic you'd like us to unpack, you know where to find us.
Class with Mason
Discussion on Mason Carter's Poetry
It suggests that this poetry isn't just, you know, spooky aesthetics for the sake of it. It's deeper.
Class with Mason
Discussion on Mason Carter's Poetry
It's possible societal structures, maybe the impact on individuals, things like that.
Farm4Profit Podcast
F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
Social media takes a long time to edit and to post stuff all the time.
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F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
So like with Egg PhD, they've been telling me the story a little bit, but there's some other either company or people that were doing like a farm show or something, and they're like,
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F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
we can do that or their dad's like we you can do that and so then they just started making episodes and it was scripted right away which the cool thing about it now is they are not scripted they just they just talk and it's just got to be right on the money because it's on national tv and stuff so they time that and they just can talk and they don't have to have a script or anything but it just started 25 or 20 something years ago
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F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
and they just did it every single week, and then it just started to grow, I guess, after they did it. So that's kind of how they started. They just got told they were going to do it, basically, by their dad, and then it's turned into what it is now.
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F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
I like being out with the farmer, trying to educate him on what practices have been working and what don't, and try to make them the most money as possible.
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F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
uh probably corn but i mean it yeah because corn's fun corn right everyone wants to buy corn even when they can't make money with it would you rather you already said probably be in the field versus in a lab yeah in the field and the field's fun because yeah because then you get to see thing i mean you have no idea what you're going to see out in the field and that's what makes it really cool would you rather be in the studio or in the cab
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F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
Ooh. That's a great question, actually. It's fun to do both. It's fun to do both. I'd probably say I don't get to do it as much, but probably be in the cab. It depends on what I'm running, I guess. Okay, then combine or grain cart?
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F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
combine is fun and is it a grain cart or an auger wagon or a catch car or a chaser bin uh grain we we run i used to always run the grain cart there we go and uh that's right i don't get to run the combine but if i got to it'd be really fun so would you rather hold on i want to hold your question because now i'm curious about you guys would you rather sit in a cab or sit in the studio
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F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
Well, since we're in Iowa, probably Iowa. All right. Just a second. How do things look in South Dakota? Pretty good. So we got a flood at the beginning of the year. I don't know if you saw any of those videos. It was pretty bad. But so all the bottom ground kind of like got flooded out or got severely damaged. But all the stuff that didn't get flooded out actually looks pretty good. So we'll see.
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F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
I mean, it'll be probably average because some was really good and some was really bad. But it all in all looks pretty good, I'd say.
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F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
No, if you've met him before, he will probably not be done doing what he's doing for a long time. He's one of those farmers. He's going to do it until he dies. Yeah, he loves doing what he does. So I don't know when he's going to do anything different, but he loves it.
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F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
So you guys asked me how Ag PhD started, which wasn't really me, but how did you guys get started with this?
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F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
Yeah. It's really cool to be, like, in person and do it and not having to, like, just fly out or like drive out just for like a couple hours and drive back and stuff. It's awesome.
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F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
Yeah, I got my drone license, which I needed to have it apparently when I found out because I was going to do drone stuff. I needed to get the license because then at least you're a little bit more –
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F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
regulatory with the faa so that was good but no i do some drone stuff i don't like if you see on egg phd we have a couple drone pilots so it's usually the other guy doing it for egg phd but i'll do some of my own stuff just when we're out farming
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F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
Honestly, it was actually about yesterday's stuff, to be honest. When I wasn't even thinking about, like, yesterday we had so much stuff going on, I was like, oh, we just got to do this and this. And then I also thought, you guys were posting a lot, and I'm like, this is great. I love this. Just let them do their thing. I'll be fine. No, that's actually on me. to be honest.
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F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
I was just thinking about yesterday's stuff because I was like, we got so much stuff going on.
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F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
Yeah, exactly. Exactly. I like that, though. I schedule a lot of stuff, too, though. I mean, if I didn't hear, it would be like a nightmare. I feel like he's my guy.
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F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
So this won't get out in time, but I want to tell you guys what Gavin told me yesterday on stage at Fent or at Agco. He said the best thing about Farm Progress is the after party. Oh, yeah.
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F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
yeah that's sweet so since we're in the John Deere booth I have a couple questions for you guys about so you guys went to like the innovation John Deere or John Deere Center what was that place about and what were is there like cool things that are coming or what
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F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
Yeah, and this right here is exactly why I like talking to other people in the ag industry or farmers because you learn all this stuff that you got to experience, which it would be awesome if I could experience that, but just then you get that secondhand experience and you know what's happening or what's coming next, and it's really cool to listen to that.
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F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
Well, I was curious about the Classic because I'd never been, but I've seen about it before.
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F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
I work at Hefty Seed Company as an agronomist, and I work with Ag PhD with my dad and uncle. We farm as well. We farm about 3,500 acres in Baltic, South Dakota, a small town by Sioux Falls. And we host a field day there right at our farm each year. And it's super fun getting to talk to people about agriculture and learning more about agronomy.
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F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
And the golf course is ag. I mean, it is, you're growing grass and to make it look that good, you got to know what you're doing.
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F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
Yeah, so they have a... A team for Egg PhD that edits the show and films the show, basically. And then we have a couple of guys that are on the farm that work for us that do basically the day-to-day stuff, like spraying a bunch, because they're always out there spraying, combining, planting, and all that stuff. So they kind of have two separate sides of it.
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F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
And Egg PhD I've gotten into more, and social media takes a long time to...
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F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
So I only started agronomy just a few years ago in college. That's really taken off since. I mean, I grew up around it, but I never really got into it as much as I did when I went to college. And then when I came back to the farm and to the business, there's just a lot to learn. And just getting to know more about it every single day is really awesome. So go ahead.
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F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
and like not usually every day depending on how many how much acres you have but you're not in it every single day there's a lot to it i mean there's a lot to everything you do but just because it looks like that on social media too just like oh they're just driving combine or driving the combine today yep it i mean it takes a lot to line that up line up their grain carts line up their trucks all that
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F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
A little bit. It's pretty much all hands on deck like the week before because everyone's setting up for it. And honestly, yeah, you guys should probably come up.
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F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
Yeah. But it's only one day, right? Yeah, it's one day. And you would love it because it's mainly focused on agronomy. So we have different plots that we grow for all of the different companies that are there. So they all have their own plots. And then my dad and uncle, they drive you through all the plots and talk to you about what every single person's doing.
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F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
And so then you get a chance to see what everyone's doing. You get a chance to talk to those people. And it's really fun. Yeah, it's a cool event. And It's down to more of a science now since we've done it so many times. It's pretty cool. It's a lot different than this because this has more permanent structures, a lot of equipment. It's bigger.
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F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
There's more people here because there's a lot more things going on, but it's cool. Why just one day? Because then you can be the happiest, smiliest person for one day and then you're done. So if you're doing that for three days, it's a lot tougher to do that.
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F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
And so my dad always says, you can be the most fun, happiest person, and be the best customer relations person for all the people that attend. And people there say that. I mean, they see you smiling and just having a good time because it's one day. And you can do it for one day if you need to.
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F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
We're going to have to get you guys there, and then we'll have our own after-party thing. There we go. But, no, everyone comes in the day before, and then all the exhibitors and all the people working or people that are speaking, they all come in the day before, and there's like a little orientation where everyone talks, everyone has dinner before the show, and then the next day is just –
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F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
all hands on deck crazy and it's super fun so where do you stay or where is it at so it's at baltic it's at our farm literally on our farm okay um just 10 miles north of sioux falls and so i live in baltic so it's not too far of a drive but the traffic i mean at any big farm show it can kind of get a little crazy so there's enough hotels and airbnbs and stuff in baltic and around to keep everyone not baltic but in sioux falls so it's like it's only about 15 minutes away but
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F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
No, which is crazy. I didn't have much background in agronomy. Went straight into agronomy and agribusiness in college and just loved it since then.
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F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
It's like here's Sioux Falls, here's Rapid City.
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F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
I think that would be cool. Then you could travel to all the shows and then be like, there's the farm for profit.
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F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
Maybe he'll let us borrow his plane. If we had one, I would let you. I can't believe you don't. No, they're so expensive. It's unreal. We don't really go around all the time.
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F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
Which, speaking about that, it's kind of... I mean, those guys are crazy, and it's so dangerous. That's why... I think drones eventually are going to be something that everyone utilizes a lot more, especially if you can't get through the field because it's so dangerous doing that. And, I mean, there's a lot of smaller farms.
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F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
Drones on, like, a big, wide-open field is probably not ready for that yet. But I think at some point it could be. And so that would be something that would maybe save some people, I guess.
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F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
Not that much, really. They... They took a different approach from their dad. And so their dad always wanted them to be safe and to not be in equipment or around equipment when they were young just so that there was no issue or no problems there. And so that's what they did with me too.
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F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
I mean, we have some that are different and whatever. And we have some rolling hills and stuff, so it kind of gets a little challenging there, but... It's pretty, that's about the average size.
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F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
No, I don't know for sure on that. I know in like Sioux City they have a lot of stuff. I sent some hogs to Supreme.
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F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
Well, one of the things is just taking straight off of what we're already doing, doing basically Ag PhD, but on social media, because a lot of people now are just on social media. They're not always watching TV and stuff like that, or they're listening to podcasts. And so that's what I've been telling my family is, It's good to be on social media.
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F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
I mean, I get how it can be a little bit nerve-wracking right away in doing it. But that's where a lot of people are here to learn. And if farmers are on there wanting to get more information, that's where we should put out our short information that can help teach them or show them what they might want to change or try on their farm. And so that's where I think...
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F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
Doing more on social media is what I brought back to the business is wanting to be on there because that's where people are. And I want to show them, I mean, all the education that my dad and uncle have. Yeah, I love it.
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F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
I heard they were talking to you guys, and you guys didn't want to be on the show or something. On Acres? Yeah, I don't know. I don't work with all of them. I just heard that I told them, I was like, we should have Farm for Profit. That would be a cool show to be on there, and they're like, I don't do that.
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F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
yeah yeah yeah and i i think it'll be cool and i mean you guys are cool and it's fun i mean you guys if you ever were doing that with us then i mean we'd be able to hang out more see you guys and go into different another farm show that you guys haven't been to before well we we have made some uh changes that are coming here in the next two weeks that will allow us to more easily uh
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F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
So I'd be mowing the lawns and stuff like that typically or keeping the grounds nice because mowing is not too difficult and it's not too dangerous too. So that's what I would do growing up. And then once I... Got old enough, then I started working, doing more things around the farm and stuff.
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F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
That's a tough question. I think it's all about setting a schedule for me personally, which is straight up what Tanner does too. But putting out what you want to do or getting it done. That's why I come in here early in the morning. You get your stuff done, and then you can go do your other things or be with your family and stuff.
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F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
And that's what my dad always has talked to me about is setting your schedule or getting your stuff done that you need to and not procrastinating to –
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F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
I mean, sometimes you get stuck, and you've got to come here for four days for me, and I mean, that's away from your family, but then other times you're doing other things with your family, and it's just trying to balance all that out, and it's tough for sure, but once you start getting into it and doing it, then you can juggle it a little bit.
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F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
Yeah, and my girlfriend's a teacher, so she – Yeah, that's a good schedule, though.
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F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
So on all social media, my handle is at Zach.hefty, and that's where you can find me. I'm posting more stuff on there as I'm trying to balance my work and personal life, and it's really fun. But, yeah, that's where you can find me, or you can follow Ag PhD online. on TikTok, Instagram, Facebook, and we're doing posts on there too. So that's another way for farmers to get educated and check out.
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F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
You wouldn't even understand how many people, when I'd grow up, would sing that song.
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F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
Hefty, hefty. I never even thought about it. It was unreal. Because people, I mean, all of them weren't farmers, so that's all they heard.
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F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
Yeah, whenever we would go to airports or stuff like that, there'd always be farmers stopping them and talking to them. And when I was younger, I didn't really get why they were doing that because he's just my dad or uncle around me and not someone that teaches agriculture. So it was fun to do that or to see that.
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F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
Well, I'm starting into that journey, starting here on the podcast, doing other things. I really like to learn about agriculture, teach agriculture and show farmers and show people around the world what farming is like and showing the good story and sharing the good story of ag, which maybe gets missed sometimes.
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F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
So people don't always know what's happening in agriculture or they're curious about it. And I just like to show what We do an egg and teach people about it.
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F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
So if you see Ag PhD on social media, that's me, basically, running that. So started that not that long ago, really, and... just repurposing some content because they post Egg PhD every single week, brand new show, and then radio show every single weekday, there's a new show. And so I do Egg PhD social media. And then obviously, both my dad and uncle are agronomists. So they teach me a lot of
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F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
agronomy and so I'm out in the field in our fields a lot scouting and trying to figure out what we have going on in our field to figure out how to stop it or control weeds or insects or whatever so we're doing a lot of that and then also working with some farmers too
Farm4Profit Podcast
F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
and like not usually every day, depending on how much acres you have, but you're not in it every single day. There's a lot to it. I mean, there's a lot to everything you do.
Farm4Profit Podcast
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Yeah, it's awesome. And I haven't even seen the whole show yet. Okay. But just walking around, seeing a bunch of people, a bunch of farmers being here, I mean, it's awesome.
Farm4Profit Podcast
F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
Yeah, mainly with Hefty, just working with our agronomists and learning agronomy basically is what I do and help out any way that I can. But mainly just learning agronomy is my main thing that I do. How big is the Hefty team? You said helping your agronomist.
Farm4Profit Podcast
F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
Well, there's multiple different stores, obviously, with Hefty Seeds. So there's a couple hundred agronomists probably, but just talking with them. And they're in different areas, too. And that's what I find really interesting about agriculture is agriculture right here has nothing to do with agriculture far away.
Farm4Profit Podcast
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So when you talk to those other agronomists or other farmers in other places, it's completely different than what it was.
Farm4Profit Podcast
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I have a girlfriend. We're getting close. Awesome. That's really cool. It's cool. We've been dating for a while, though. Is she into agriculture also? No. She has no idea about agriculture.
Farm4Profit Podcast
F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
So it's in between that. About two and a half years.
Farm4Profit Podcast
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Join Corey. You boys want some popsicles? David. So Tanner, what I really got to know is the juice worth the squeeze. And Tanner. All right, it's about time to wrap this baby up. They're my favorite, like Farm for Fun. It's time to put aside the stress of the work boots, sit down, grab your favorite adult beverage, and listen to the boys from Farm for Profit. Yay, it says applause.
Farm4Profit Podcast
F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
Yeah, it is. That's a great question. Once you start wearing it, though, then it's for another reason. It's not just, oh, it's a fashion. I just like to wear that. It's because of another reason.
Farm4Profit Podcast
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and it needs to be long-sleeve sometimes. We could do that.
Farm4Profit Podcast
F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
It was pretty insane because I grew up around going to this event my whole life. Okay. And it always just seemed like if you were a speaker there, you just were like the coolest person. Because when you're growing up, you always see all these speakers and you're like, oh, they get to go speak in front of people. And so it was cool. It's not like I was the only speaker. I was moderating.
Farm4Profit Podcast
F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
I was talking to Michelle Martin and Tony Reed, which are really cool guests to have. It was fun. But no, I was... kind of blown away that I even got asked to do it.
Farm4Profit Podcast
F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
Yeah, he's a really nice guy to meet. He's not, I mean...
Farm4Profit Podcast
F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
Um, I just like talking to people and they were always doing that and talking in front of people and just, they just said, you just got to practice and do it. And I was like, okay, well I'll start doing that. But I like social media. And so that was kind of my way.
Farm4Profit Podcast
F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
to talk to people more and then I started doing that more and more and obviously when you first start out which you guys probably went through too it sucks right away and you're like super nervous and you are like oh this is so bad and I don't know what I'm doing but as you do it just a few times you start getting really good at it and then it starts being fun no we started off being great
How About Tomorrow?
Offending Everyone by Sharing Tough Moments, The Video, and Politics
Anyway, how you been?
How About Tomorrow?
Offending Everyone by Sharing Tough Moments, The Video, and Politics
What shit is?
Logbuch:Netzpolitik
LNP504 The politics of intellectual shame
I was going to say, that's why you hire somebody from Berkeley to write your tickets because they come up with ideas like that.
Logbuch:Netzpolitik
LNP500 Zombiecalypse im Grunewald
Oder sicherheitshalber wahrscheinlich auch. Oder sicherheitshalber. Ich meinte aber KI.
Mastering Dungeons
Horizons Magazine with Hannah Rose! (MD 211)
Maybe that's why it feels like it's gone by so fast. It's certainly been jam-packed.
Mastering Dungeons
Horizons Magazine with Hannah Rose! (MD 211)
This is what happens if you have too much stage traditionalism at your academic institutions and people are mean to the would-be graduates during their dissertations.
Nosotros Los Clones
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It's very... That was the question. I mean, in the terrorometer, how... No, no, o sea, porque, mira, estoy entrando aquí, estoy en Umbra, en tu portal, y dice aquí, sí, películas de terror, paranormales, ya se lo entendemos, ¿no? O no? Pues fantasmas, ¿no?
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Alien, the last one, or the saga, what is it? Alien... Comedy.
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It's like all this that we're talking about, but Asian. What happens is that Asian horror cinema is quite particular.
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Okay. In the Cannes Film Festival. But the way to show it. The second half. But that's the joke. That you feel uncomfortable. But not so much. After two million crimes of blood. Yeah, I mean... O sea, sí la he visto, ¿no?
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Ajá. Viejita. Sí, sí. Donde me acuerdo perfecto que echan a un cuate en una trituradora de, no sé, de desperdicios. Eso es donde entra uno. Porque no es de terror. Fargo es como... Mira, hay que distinguir dos cosas.
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Wait, let me finish with the... Ah, there are still categories missing. We already said aliens, you already mentioned it, and then vampires.
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Yes, of course, it's part of the genre. But they're handsome. And pretty. No, because the vampire was usually a guy... Dracula. Ah, no, no. No, on the contrary.
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I like them for a little while. Walking Dead. The most famous zombie expression in the series. Vi como tres temporadas o cuatro. Realmente los zombies ya no importan. El problema son las relaciones humanas. O sea, la serie se construye en las broncas que tienen los humanos. Los zombies llegan y los matan y ya se acaba.
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Pero muy interesante, esa serie se me hizo no por los zombies, sino por toda la bronca social que genera el supuesto apocalipsis y lo que tú quieras. Pero finalmente las broncas son entre humanos. Los zombies son... Harry Potter, ¿es un error? Sí, claro. ¿Por?
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So... What content do you find here in Umbra? What can I see?
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It's like the radio a little. It's like the radio. You put the station and if it's not news, there's music. And we interrupt you.
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Al mes. Si aquí estoy dando la página y se disfruta... Asian movies from there. Enjoy... Well, let's see. Enjoy Umbra for 7 days for free. Exactly. There's a free test. There's a test and then you start to charge, right? But the future of Umbra is to become a horror hub.
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A ver, yo, si me preguntas, ¿te gusta el cine de terror? No. No. ¿Cómo sé o cómo le hago para darme cuenta que tal vez sí me gusta? Y que no he visto, o he visto cosas muy comerciales, muy lo que todo el mundo ve.
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Lenny Kravitz is the son of Cy Kravitz. What? Tell us. Television producer and very involved in the media. Ah, a family of artists. Yes, he didn't start playing in his kitchen. No, no, no. Cy Kravitz, who is the father, already died a few years ago. He was a news presenter. No, sorry, a news producer for NBC. Okay. Durante muchos años.
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The clowns, what are they called? It's horror or terror. No, it's horror. Horror. Yes. Well, yes. A mixture. A mixture. There is a channel of terror. Ajá. Yo soy usuario de Samsung TV, de Pluto y Roku, que comparten los canales más o menos todos. Hay uno que no, pero correcto. Y hay uno ahí de terror, que se llama, o sea, me sale porque le doy y sale.
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Y siempre está el, no siempre, pero a veces el componente de la chica guapa.
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Entonces, ya, o sea, la mató y descuartizó, pero pues no dice nada. Entonces, no, porque sí. Sí, influye mucho el audio. No me gusta, digamos, sufrir. Sí, sí. Gratis, ¿no? O sea, no. Ay, ya la maté.
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En la película de terror o horror, no sé qué es, digamos, tal vez más importante en los últimos años, El Exorcista.
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Ya me tocó. Yo no la fui a ver porque estaba muy chavito, pero mis hermanos sí. Y era de dejar de dormir. Correcto. Por pensar en el exorcista. Y ojo, no había repetición. No podías verla otra vez. Ay, voy a ver la escena. No, no. Lo que viste en el cine, en lo que duró la película, es lo que te queda. Y luego, la canción de... ¿Cómo se llama? ¿Campanas tubulares? La canción de Mike O'Field.
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Hizo la canción del exorcista. Sonaba en todos lados. Y era, ah, era del exorcista. Y luego, sí, obviamente... Hace poquito vi un cachito en la tele de la original con Linda Blair. Y sí, o sea, sí te da miedito, pero te ríes un poquito.
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Y pues digo, ahí estaba un poquito más cerca de... De la farándula. Sí, no, no. Es decir, tenía como un hándicap, ¿no? O sea, yo creo que llegó a... ¿Quieres tocar la guitarra? Órale, póngale un programa.
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Tienes que verla. La voy a ver. Para hablar de lo mismo. Sí, la voy a ver. Lleva tu cuenta a litros de sangre. Ah, ok. Te lo prendes a la mitad de la película y acaba en 7 millones. Oye, y entonces, ¿qué recomendación le das a la gente que diga, a mí no sé si me gusta o no el horror o el terror? ¿Qué películas? Así dos, así o tres películas. Comerciales, que puedan ver.
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The one with the button eyes is Coraline. And it's from this guy. No, no, no.
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Now, a father of a family that I imagine there are several who listen to us, see us, who have children, like what age? Let's see the crow, let's see Dracula, what? Or...
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Para despedirnos, Eduardo, ¿cómo reaccionar si tú tienes un hijo... Vampiro. No, bueno, ahí aplaudo. Si te dice, papá, soy vampiro. Tienes un hijo menor de 18 años, ¿no? Tengo uno de 18 y uno de 11. No, no, no. Tengo por los dos lados. Ok, ok. No, la pregunta es, tú tienes un hijo o hija menor de 18. Supuestamente son menores de edad. Correcto. ¿Y te das cuenta que ve películas de terror?
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¿Él por su cuenta? No, no, no. ¿Qué le dices? ¿Lo alientas? ¿Está bien? ¿No va a entender otra cosa diferente? ¿Cómo sería?
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¿Cuándo? 1.5 mm thinner. That's good. Which, I don't know if it's going to get to Mexico or not. It was still presented in Korea. It's cool that they do this because they're special editions where a lot of people want to buy a Samsung foldable. And they say, I did like it, but what if it was thinner? Less fat. Yeah. Y con esto ya está anunciado. No hay precio todavía.
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Yo lo jugaba ahí. Bueno, me refiero. No, yo conectaba bocinas en un estéreo y te daba miedo. Las gráficas eran obviamente horribles, pero el... We make noises. Yes, yes, of course, of course. And, well, we did it in the satanic mediums. Yes, yes, yes.
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Oye, entonces es Umbra.stream, U-M-B-R-A, Umbra. No estoy viendo aquí en la pantalla. Ahí te puedes meter, puedes bajar la aplicación a las plataformas que mencionaste, pagas tu suscripción y tienes acceso a todo esto que comentamos.
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Funciona. Ah. O sea, funciona. Prende, prende. Prende, claro, claro. Pero ya no hay señales análogas.
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Ya no hay señales análogas en este planeta, no. En este país y en muchos otros, dieron el bajón, el apagón digital, el apagón análogo hace ya algunos años. Y entonces ya no te sirve. Este gat ya no puede captar ninguna señal. O sea, no... En las zonas de radio no hay ninguna señal. Y no va a haber que puedan servir.
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Acuérdate que aquí en México y en muchos países estaba VHF que era del 2 al 13 y luego UHF que era del 14 al 69. Le cambié.
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And it stays scanning all the time, but there's no way.
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Tiene un... ¿Qué usa? ¿Pilas AA? AA, cuatro pilas AA. Tiene una patita para que la puedas poner así. Yo lo que veía, esas teles las veían los taxis. Los taxistas traían sus televisiones para ver el partido. Yo más bien, tipo como veladores. O veladores. Gente que estaba... No había celulares, ojo.
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Entonces esto era una fuente de entretenimiento impresionante porque podías ver la tele en cualquier lugar. A ver si se oye el...
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Yo la conseguí después, no recuerdo cuándo. Yo creo que, híjole. ¿Unos 100 dólares? Es que esta es de marca Fifi. Sí, casi. Es de marca reconocida. Había muchas teles de muchas marcas. Esta, ¿cuánto habría costado en aquel tiempo? ¿Unos 200 dólares?
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Y la conservé, la guardé. En Mercado Libre. Obviamente en 699 pesos. 699 pesos.
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¿Quién da más? ¿Quién da más? Cero. No está a la venta nunca, ni va a estar a la venta nada. Esa es de la colección personal de gadgets. Que, ojo, Ponton, ya para irnos de este gadget. La tengo guardada hace muchos años sin baterías. Sí, sí, claro.
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No, pues ponle desde el 90 o no sé, 20 años guardado. Y está impecable porque no tiene baterías. Claro, claro. Y no se movía ni nada. Oye, último comentario de trivia. Sí. Los canales 2, que se transmitían por la banda... UHF. No, VHF. Ah, VHF. VHF. ¿Qué hicieron con ese espectro? El gobierno, el espectro del gobierno. Radiofrecuencia?
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Pero bueno, qué bueno que salgan estas versiones especiales.
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O sea, ese espectro, ese pedazo de la frecuencia era del gobierno, siempre fue del gobierno y ahora lo licenció, lo vendió directamente. para básicamente datos, y tengo entendido, igual me estoy equivocando, tengo entendido que gran parte de ese espectro es donde hoy en día corre la red Altan, que es la red alternativa que tenemos aquí, y seguramente otros, ¿no?
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O sea, los gobiernos dijeron, ya no hay televisión análoga, pero vamos a hacer negocio, y vendieron ese espectro. Como 100 dólares.
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100 dólares. 2,000 baros. De ahorita. De ahorita. Pero de aquel tiempo, ¿cuántos? Bueno, efectivamente. ¿Cuántos nuevos pesos hay?
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Aloha, Matuk.Nicolón is listening. I'm in Hawaii, specifically in Wailea, in the south of Maui, because I came to the Snapdragon Summit, an event that has been going on for several years and this time they presented their advances in processors or as they are formally known as SOC by the acronym System on a Chip for cell phones and vehicles.
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In the mobile part, the new Snapdragon 8 Lite processor was announced and it is the first mobile platform that integrates the new generation of the Orion CPU processor and now drops to 3 nanometers and has improvements in the processing and performance of all its components.
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CPU, GPU and NPU, which in very simple terms are indispensable parts of a processor to offer computer, graphics and artificial intelligence functions.
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In fact, in terms of artificial intelligence, they emphasized more capabilities of generative artificial intelligence locally on the device, that is, without the need to use an internet connection and the ease of use in the camera for photographs and video. And something very cool about being here was to be able to see the demos in action.
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pudimos convivir con unos perritos divinos para que viéramos cómo, al lanzarle la pelota a uno, la cámara fotográfica detectaba inmediatamente la acción y el movimiento. También vimos un demo de cómo, con la ayuda de inteligencia artificial, la gente dedicada al retoque de fotografía You could select a style and tone of color to apply it to many images simultaneously in a matter of seconds.
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Or the same theme, but in a frame, all this in simultaneous images, in addition to the creation of images with generative artificial intelligence in different styles. And something that was amazing was being able to erase people and objects that you did not want in your shot in video and in real time.
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We also saw demonstrations of the use of artificial intelligence in text, such as achieving the division of an account with just putting a ticket, for example, a ticket from a restaurant or an image. In case, for example, in the video that you do not have good lighting, we saw a function that improves the taking of different approaches and types of light.
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Asus, Honor, Samsung, OnePlus, Oppo, Realme, Vivo and Xiaomi will have this processor. Several of these companies in the coming weeks on their devices. And by the way, people who also love this topic surely noticed that there was a change in the nomenclature, leaving behind the term Gen to use the word Elite. They already used it in the sox for PC and now it comes to cell phones.
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And this is to align the nomenclature with the PC, because its improvements are really important. 44 percent of energy in CPU, 40 percent in GPU and 45 percent in NPU speed. Because in the end, from a marketing perspective, people standing up are looking to recognize the brand in a simpler way.
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In addition, there was also talk of two new processors for vehicles, Snapdragon Cockpit and Snapdragon Ride Elite. One was based on entertainment functions and another for driving and driving. Both offer improvements in camera management performance, applications, sensors, multitasking and energy consumption.
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And well, as a technical fact, its CPU and GPU improved three times in performance and 12 times in NPU. And if you feel like this is a math class, don't worry. In short, they do everything better and well, the driver will only notice that all this works and is more comfortable in a very dynamic and simple way.
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For example, the infotainment system such as navigation, audiovisual reproduction, the use of apps and even video games will work fast, it will look very good and you will be able to use up to 16 screens. There will not be so much latency when consuming content. And on the other hand, the control of driving systems such as the
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that the sensors detect a pedestrian, a cyclist or that they avoid an accident, they will be given autonomously and quickly just to avoid this type of unwanted events. This time we cannot see the prototype because it will be available next year in some Mercedes Benz, BMW, Rivian, Chevrolet, Chinese brands and many others worldwide.
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And well, the demos that I am showing you here are of existing technologies that are already there this year. Curioso, el vicepresidente de marketing de Qualcomm, Don McGuire, nos contó que la apuesta a largo plazo es que la gente llegue a las tiendas y compre un vehículo porque tiene un procesador Snapdragon.
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Y bueno, pues claro, al final del día, si bien a muchos y a muchas nos interesa el tema de cómo funciona la tecnología, el usuario regular busca comodidad. Y bueno, por último, Pontot, me acordé muchísimo de tu próxima sección en este podcast, porque también nos contaron de cómo están posicionando a la marca para que la gente la reconozca en el día a día.
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de ahí la alianza que están haciendo en el deporte con la Fórmula 1, con el Manchester United e incluso el famosísimo Guillermo del programa de Jimmy Kimmel estuvo aquí haciendo contenido de la marca en cuestión de entretenimiento. Así que esta es una de las probaditas de lo que se presentó en el Snapdragon Summit aquí en Hawaii, pero ya termino pronto mi chamba para que pueda irme un ratito a
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We are the same, but different. We are us. We are the clones.
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Yes, well, but that wave, I remember that they gave us talks and they were going to give us the demonstration. And the speech was, it's going to change the shape of your brain. Why? Because of Wave. And what is that? It's an integrated thing.
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Google Glass sí fue incomprendido. También, por cierto, los HoloLens ya los dieron de baja. Sí, de Microsoft. Pero bueno, Google Glass y el evento, si quieren pongan el video ahí y busquen en YouTube. Lanzamiento de Google Glass en Google. No, no, no.
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A ver si nos invitan, ojalá y sí, al Unpacked. Y yo creo que la sneakpiqueada va a ser al final algo de realidad virtual, aumentada virtual.
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De repente entraron al salón, pero al salón. Aterrizaron arriba y bajan al salón. Y tú como, ¿qué onda? ¿Qué está pasando? ¿Qué está pasando? Y pasan dos tipos en bicicleta. FRANCESC CAMPOYA- FRANCESC CAMPOYA- FRANCESC CAMPOYA-
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Ah, pero esa fue una demo. O sea. Sí, nunca lo lanzaron como tal. Creo que no. O sea, suponte Meet. ¿Qué es la competencia de Zoom? Creo que es muy usado.
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Sí, claro. Está bueno. Si alguien se acuerda de algún fracaso de Google, que nos lo escriba, ¿no?
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Estoy en la energía YouTube para leer algunos comentarios que nos dejan, afortunadamente.
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RickZ2GN, me sorprende la variedad y calidad de invitados. No se ve en otro lado. Gracias, clones. Eso. Muchas gracias. Un aplauso para el comentario. Porque siempre estamos buscando invitados. Hay de todo, pero afortunadamente muchos colegas, amigos, conocidos, se dan la vuelta por acá.
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¡Qué buena idea! ¡Qué buena idea! Podemos editar ese comentario y borrarlo. ¡Qué buena idea tienes! Dice Angeli, estas entrevistas son las que no puedes hacer skip. Está bien.
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No, no, no. Sí, ya sabemos. No lo pateé. Pero la app... Déjalo descansar en paz. La app, ya no la perdamos mucho. La app en iOS de 1.0 era un dolor de cabeza por las políticas de Apple. Y la de Android, sí, tuvo sus buenas descargas, pero bueno.
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Pues sí. Sí. Qué gran sueño. Dice Carlos Cruz Ortiz. Hola clones, se volaron la barda con su invitado y muy acertadas sus intervenciones. No cabe duda que la historia se aprecia desde el ojo que la mira y la experiencia que cuenta. Es abrumadoramente adrenalínica. Me quedé fascinado con su participación y me impactó lo de trabajar la psicología del ciudadano judío de a pie y
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El limpiar el área sin estrada, etc. Tremenda narración del periodista. Gracias por la gente que invitaron. Hay muchos comentarios y gran entrevista a la entrevista de Roberto.
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Y márquenos en el 81-387-18106. Ahí nos pueden mandar un mensaje, es un WhatsApp, o escribir un mensaje o mandar un mensaje directo. de vos o lo que ustedes quieran y nos vemos por aquí cuando el próximo miércoles, ¿no?
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El editor de esas... ¿Es un editor normal, lineal, como los conocemos?
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Bueno, igual es un set. Algo con la alberca. Sí. Pero sí es un submarino con agua. Sí, sí, sí. Sí. Sí. Pero ahora hay más maravillas en CGI, Ponto.
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Terror en pantalla - NLC 138
Sí, no, el mar yo creo que no. Agua salada en medio del mar no, pero sí un set. Muy bien. ¿Y cuándo lo vamos a poder ver en Los Mortales? Nunca, ¿verdad?
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Terror en pantalla - NLC 138
Ok, vamos a darle al siguiente, la siguiente nota, por favor, señor productor.
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Terror en pantalla - NLC 138
Ok. Siguiente nota. Siguiente nota. El conflicto China-Estados Unidos sigue de todas formas. Hay muchos matices de este conflicto. Una es, por ejemplo, que Estados Unidos no deja usar cierta tecnología proveniente de China en su territorio. Llámense algunos chips, etcétera. No. Bueno, pues ahora los chinos dicen, ¿sabes qué, papacito? A los gringos. Bueno, a sus habitantes. Sí.
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Terror en pantalla - NLC 138
Ya no vas a poder usar tu iPhone si trabajas en el gobierno. Ándate. Y China vende mucho en, perdón. Apple vende mucho en China. Muchísimo.
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Terror en pantalla - NLC 138
Sí. Sí. And it also says China that Intel puts back doors on their chips to facilitate espionage and attacks.
Nosotros Los Clones
Terror en pantalla - NLC 138
They also said that the chips had a back door. But before that, several years ago, there was a scandal for the servers. I think it was Huawei. Creo. De origen chino. Que compraban los gringos por miles para sus data centers. Supuestamente venían ahí chipeados. Bautizaditos. Pero, ojo, fue todo un rollo. Dejaron de comprar eso, pero nunca hubo una prueba que los gringos mostraran.
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Terror en pantalla - NLC 138
Yo creo que sí hubo. Sí, pero es confidencial. Pero que mostraran nada. Sí, pues no creo que puedan mostrarlo. Pero es que está muy bien hecho eso. Imagínate, tú eres china. y Estados Unidos. Te compro 100,000 servidores. Claro, te los vendo. Pero espérate, le voy a poner ahí un amigo invitado que me deje ver todo lo que haces. Se los tronaron.
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Terror en pantalla - NLC 138
Y bueno, pues ahora China dice no puedo usar a nadie del gobierno chino iPhones porque son un problema de seguridad, lo cual así va a seguir esta pelea. Claro, eternamente.
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Terror en pantalla - NLC 138
It's more gore. No, o sea, explícito, pues. Muy explícito, sí. Sangre y eso. Sí, sí. Y cosas más paranormales. ¿Viste la sustancia? Sí. ¿Y te gustó? No. Ok. La mitad sí me gustó. Ok. A ver, las protagonistas sí me gustaron. No, bueno, pues es parte de la oferta. La Demi Moore está muy bien conservada. Sí, cómo no. Y la otra mejor, pero... No, no, me gustó la mitad, tú ya la viste.
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Terror en pantalla - NLC 138
No, but I didn't know or didn't understand this sex appeal that she has.
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#2196 - Greg Fitzsimmons
I could have been somebody instead of a bum, which is what I am.
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#2196 - Greg Fitzsimmons
That movie was all about me. Oh, no shit. Yeah, he was a con man. Oh, that's hilarious. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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#2196 - Greg Fitzsimmons
Yeah. That's what I'm saying. There's so many ways to kill somebody effectively.
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#2196 - Greg Fitzsimmons
Yeah, yeah. Did you ever see those? Yeah, that's bad. They're weird. Yeah.
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#2196 - Greg Fitzsimmons
I'm happy alone, don't you see? I've convinced you. I don't know how I get so dramatic about it. You better off alone, man. I got it. That's it, I'm going to get a whole bunch of new suits. You know, I've had the same dumb suit for 10 years. You walk in her closet, you can't even breathe. That's it, I'll get a whole bunch of suits. I'll get a chick that likes to hang out.
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#2196 - Greg Fitzsimmons
I'll get a... I'll have the vodka parties. That's modern. Vodka parties, swing it up, ball it up. I'll get a chick... I'll get a chick who likes to drink. Boy, my wife sure used to look good standing up against the sink. She's the lowest, though. I really put her down. No, no, I really miss her. I don't want some sharp chick that can quote Kerouac and walk with poise.
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#2196 - Greg Fitzsimmons
I just want to hear my old lady say, get up and fix the sink. It's still making noise. All alone, all alone, like a nearsighted dog where's the bone?
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#2196 - Greg Fitzsimmons
...fighting for the love of his son by arm wrestling a bald guy in Stallone's back. Stallone enters an arm wrestling competition. Now, do you think Stallone wins the competition by any chance? No. Is this the most exciting thing to make a movie about? Arm wrestling? You know, you can bet this bald guy is going to get Stallone over like this at some point. They're going to have the close-ups.
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#2196 - Greg Fitzsimmons
Dude, first time. Pretty fucking good. Pretty fucking good. With the pauses. Yeah.
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#2196 - Greg Fitzsimmons
Timing. Flashback sequence to his son. Poppy, Poppy, over the top.
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#2196 - Greg Fitzsimmons
Oh, yeah, David Caruso. Oh, it came down hard on him. It came down hard on him.
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#2196 - Greg Fitzsimmons
How many guys pissed in that pit? At least one. Yeah.
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#2196 - Greg Fitzsimmons
Like, can't you do that? Isn't this what I'm here for? Why am I cooking?
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#2196 - Greg Fitzsimmons
But he could have been the guy. All the redheads are like, one guy gets cocky.
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#2196 - Greg Fitzsimmons
We had our guy. We had our major lead. We had a shot. We had our fucking guy, man.
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#2196 - Greg Fitzsimmons
Just saggy. Just fucking hilarious. His balls are hilarious.
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#2196 - Greg Fitzsimmons
Does the net, do you bounce off the net back into the factory? Look at those nets.
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#2196 - Greg Fitzsimmons
You want to talk some shit? How about we send a hurricane your way? And you don't even know you can do hurricanes.
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#2196 - Greg Fitzsimmons
When do they run out of food? When do they run out of food?
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Oh, I remember this. Yes. Yeah. I mean, reading this.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
What percentage of things that you find in medical textbooks, basic and advanced, do you think are false based on your understanding of what we actually know now compared to when the textbooks were written? And he said, 50%. And then he's, and then Rick said, and yep. And then Rick said, I know I was wide-eyed too.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
But what he's saying is, what he's saying, and I finally got it. It's like, what are the things that really pull that energy out of you? What did that when you were young? And if you're fortunate enough to get into something young, That's a beautiful thing. And, you know, Rick's superpower is his ability to get close to things, people, music, et cetera, and feel it. He can feel that thing.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
And he encourages them to do more of that thing as opposed to the thing they think they should do. And then what's also remarkable about him is he's able to disengage and just be Rick again. Like he has this like empathy, but it doesn't like take him over. It's so wild, the guy that grew up in music and did all the things he did for music, he's never had a sip of alcohol or done a drug.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
How many people who hang around musicians could pull that off?
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
100%, and this is, all right, so I go over there to spend time with him. He's out of the US right now. And it was the weirdest visit ever. I go over to visit Rick and we tread water in the morning and we listened to this podcast, A History of 100 Rock and Roll Songs by Andrew Hickey. It's sort of like Cuban Lab Podcast, but rock and roll, like super nerdy, long, like drawn out.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
There are a few podcasts like that, like Founders Podcast, I love that one. Mine is like super nerdy, right? About a given topic. So we would do that and then we would just like sit around. And I'm like, what are you gonna do? He's like, well, let's just like sit. And we would just sit with eyes closed. And I was like, all right, then we have lunch. And then he was like, well, let's just sit.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
And then at one point I'm like, Rick, what are we doing? And he's like, well, when you keep your body still and your mind is really active, amazing ideas come forward. And that's when I was like, oh my goodness. Because my first guest on my podcast was a guy named Karl Deisseroth. He's the world's best bioengineer. He's a psychiatrist. He raised five kids. He's a phenom.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
He'll probably win a Nobel Prize. And he told me his practice of coming up with ideas is after his kids are asleep at night, sits down and he keeps his body completely still. And he forces himself to think in complete sentences, keep his mind super active. And I was like, wow.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
And it turns out that if you look historically, a number of scientists have talked about this, a number of creatives have talked about this. And then it, I don't have any studies to support this, but then I realized what is the state of our brain or time when the brain is very active and our body is still, and our mind is coming up with all sorts of ideas, it's rapid eye movement sleep.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
We're paralyzed during rapid eye movement sleep. We have sleep atonia. And everybody knows based on dream studies and studies of creativity that during rapid eye movement sleep is two things happen. There's a removal of some of the emotional load of previous day's experiences, which is why rapid eye movement sleep is so critical for emotion regulation afterwards.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
and for the regulating depression and things like that. But also we come up with new configurations. And so Karl Deisseroth, Einstein, there are reports of this, of him walking and then closing his eyes and stopping and describing his mind moving forward while his body was still. Very kind of subjective. Rick has this practice. And I thought to myself, like, wow.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
And then Rick said, and what is the extent of impact on treatment of patients modern day? And his answer was one word, incalculable.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
So I've started trying to do a sort of meditation where I force myself to be very bodily still with my mind very active. I can't. You know, just started this kind of interesting in light of creativity. But the other thing, and this goes to what you were saying before, you know, Rick came up through punk rock, punk rock and hip hop, right? And I love punk rock music, grew up on it.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
That era in their eighties, punk rock in New York is amazing. Like, but the whole thing, like Beastie Boys, he was close with the Ramones, Joe Strummer, all this, and then hip hop. What he understands, and I can't speak for him, but what he understands is that there's this energy in an early field, let's say of music, where they're not thinking about making money doing it.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Like NWA, those guys were just being themselves when they were making music, right? I watched that movie, The Defiant Ones, about Dre and I think it's Jimmy Iovine about- but it's really about the energy of hip early hip hop. And then they talk about Eminem and a bunch of other things, or you watch Rick and I at night, we'd watch Ramones documentaries or clash documentaries.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
And it's like, it's the energy of something that's new where people are just being themselves. And they're not thinking about making a ton of money on a record. A really great producer comes in and captures that energy. and rolls it forward. And usually what ends up happening is then the general public falls in love with it. And then a bunch of things happen to those people.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
And then whatever dysfunction exists in their world gets amplified. And then we hear about it. There's kind of a consistent theme over and over, but it's like, and then one of the things that came up when I was visiting Rick is I was like, you know, I feel like, like I came up through skateboarding, punk rock music. I'm not a musician, that incredible energy. I don't know much about hip hop,
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
I was like, science had that when I first got into neuroscience. Like no one talked about neuroscience. It didn't even have a name. We're just like brain explorers, cutting up brains, figuring out what to do, trying to figure out what these structures did and all this stuff. And then podcasting. It's like, I really feel like the podcasters, at least some of us, right?
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
50% in currently used medical textbooks, meaning that the literature has been updated with new understanding, new scientific papers, but it has not yet been incorporated into the medical education.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
It's like, it's like punk rock. It's like hip hop because we're not thinking about, I wasn't just sit down and like start my podcast. I'm going to start the human lab podcast. I was like, I've just got all this stuff in me that I want to tell people because I think it's super cool. And a lot of it, I think might also be really useful to them. And you're just being you.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
So when Rick or Lex is just being Lex and or Chris Williamson is just being Chris Williamson or Whitney Cummings is just being Whitney Cummings. So when when a podcast works, I think it's because you're just being you. And it seems so obvious. It's kind of almost trite. But Rick is like, exactly.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
And the biggest mistake is to take the feedback, the comments, whatever, the hit pieces, whatever, and to change who you are. Now, there is sometimes useful information that comes back to us in ways we could do better in life, and certainly I am doing that.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
But the point is, at its essence, it's like the thing that makes podcasting beautiful to me is that I think we're right now, thanks in large part to you and some of the other early entrance guys, guys that paved the way, is that... It's a real thing. It's a real discussion. There's no script. We didn't talk about what we were going to talk about before.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Whereas when you go out there and you see these highly overproduced or media-infused podcasts, it's not real. It's not real. It's got an angle. They have a story they want to tell.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
It became produced. Right. And let's be real honest with you. Look, you are consistently, this podcast is consistently miles and miles ahead of everybody else in terms of the amount of consumption of it, why? Because it's a place where people immediately and consistently go, oh, it's like, Joe's just being Joe. It's just like a real thing.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
And when I say a real thing, this is what Rick means, like people just being themselves, which like your loves, the things that bother you. And so I think that podcasting to me, it's like skateboarding, it's like punk rock, it's like hip hop, it's like a sport. It's like an art. Like if you watch the movie, one of my favorite movies, the Basquiat movie, right?
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
With Benicio Del Toro and Dennis Hopper and Christopher Walker and David Bowie. Like, why was he so amazing? It's because Jean-Michel Basquiat was just being himself until the fame got to him. An article got written about how he was, you know, Warhol's lapdog, they called him or something like that. And you can see him obsessing about it. And there's this amazing riff. I don't know.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
People haven't seen it. They should just look up on YouTube, like, how long does it take to get famous from the movie Basquiat? And it's Benicio del Toro, who plays the young Vincent Gallo, telling him, here's what happens when you get famous.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
And it's an amazing clip because it explains the arc of fame and people becoming famous for being themselves and then doing the things that they think they should do to stay famous. uh, popular and it destroys the whole thing. And so Rick's message is like Rick's talent is to like feel real energy. He can tell what's real and what's fake. That's why he likes wrestling. He knows it's fake. Right.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
And then feel that and encourage somebody to do more of that. Less of other stuff. He's a creativity guru. He's a creativity guru. Then step back. And, but the message he just has keeps saying, and most of our conversations and with, uh, I'm just saying like, yeah, man, just continue to be you. You, curious, adventure, whatever makes Andrew, Andrew. I know what those things are. It's not about me.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
This is really about hopefully if like people hear it, like Rick is saying in that book and in all his messages, like we all have some little spark or gift or genetic bias towards something. And if you feed that, and it's a benevolent thing, you become that, it stays real.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
People love that. Again, I don't know hip hop that well, but you don't have to see Eminem very many times or watch 8 Mile more than a couple of times or listen to his music and understand there's an energy there. It's not manufactured.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Well, I'm a huge Joe Strummer fan, and I remember asking Rick, I was like, hey, what do you think it was about Strummer? The Clash were only around for like five years. He was like, come and gone, right? And he said, very Rick, he goes, you know, there's something about Joe where everything he said he brought his entire life experience to that.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
And I'm like, well, that's about as mystical as it gets. Like, what do you mean? And he's like, he just was purely himself that day with no concern about how you would perceive him. He wasn't trying to impress you or look punk or not look punk. He just, you know, like- He just was.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
there's got to be levels to it and I just can't imagine that a bloodhound doesn't have a better sense of smell than a person right so they absolutely have a better sense of smell in under the definition that they use it they use the same number of receptors differently in other words the resolution of your vision and a mouse's vision is dramatically different the resolution of your vision is
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Strummer fell in love with hip hop, he'd bring out hip hop artists and the punks would boo, which is when he realized punks aren't even punk. And so there's something so beautiful about the energy of something really pure. Like a Ryan Garcia left hook. Or early Beastie Boys, right? Or later Beastie Boys, whatever. Or podcasting.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
And my work now is so much about, like you said, don't read the comments, shut out the noise. Lex wants to go into the darkness and the light. He wants it, he needs it.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
I know, but I feel like if he didn't do that, it would be as weird as him not wearing that suit.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
There are destructive aspects. I mean, it can go too far. There's a great quote in the Oliver Sacks book. He said he had a teacher that said, Oliver will go far provided he does not go too far. And I read that right about the point that I recently saw the documentary Roadrunner about Bourdain. And I actually had a chance to sit down and talk to Morgan Neville who made that movie.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
And I didn't know much about him, but like what I saw there was just like an adventure, like a super curious person, an adventure and a punk rocker. Like he was from that era of like Ramones, like it was like, and it was just a spectacular, like, I don't know why I didn't know more about him.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
I should have, because we have, there's kind of overlap in interest sets around like the, you know, New York punk rock, that era that I've always been fascinated by. I'm a few years behind there, but I was like, wow, like I just saw like genuine curiosity in people and things. And I realized like the food part was kind of incidental. It was like the person, it was just being him.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
And that's why I think so many people loved him is because he was just being him. And I don't know any more about it, but like, I feel like, People just being themselves is like the ultimate in personal development.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Because you're going to die if heat is a real thing. This is what Rick says, like nature is a truth. Like you heat up too much, too long, you can die. And you're playing with that a little bit. It's playing and it's hard and you do it correctly and you're good.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
is very sharp at the fovea towards the center of your eye. And actually towards the periphery, anyone can just do this. You wiggle your fingers out here in the periphery and you can't see any detail, right? As you move that forward, you can see detail, okay?
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
I like to walk or hike. I use one of these vests. I don't have any relationship to them, but Amorfo makes these ones that are really close to the body.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
And so I use that because you can really move easily in that. I don't like a heavily loaded military vest. It doesn't feel right to me. And if I load from the back like a ruck, I feel pitched forward. So I like how smooth it goes.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Yeah, nice, smooth feel. And then I'll walk far that way. But then I'll do the same thing. Except I do it a little different. I'll go 10-second sprint.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
So, and that's because the density of pixels, so to speak, in the retina is much, much higher near the fovea, near the center than it is at the periphery. So what he's saying, what Noam Sobel's laboratory has found and others have found, is that the number of pixels, the potential for olfactory resolution in humans and in bloodhounds is essentially the same. This is his argument.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
um 20 second rest do that eight times that's my friday morning hit workout and i feel like i want to die by the last one but i think that i have an observation that's not backed by any formal science i'd like your thoughts on it i've known a lot of people who are kind of compulsive anxious or even outright addicts who then get really into running or any kind of cardio long distance endurance type sport and they seem to
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
again, not a scientific study, they seem to get and stay sober. Whereas I find that while weightlifting is really healthy and I really enjoy it, I've observed that it can create a kind of like tension in the body that doesn't like release completely, maybe even builds energy into the nervous system, so to speak. And I do know a number of people who have had challenges with drugs and alcohol.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
I'm grateful that I haven't had those challenges, but I've had challenges with drugs and alcohol, and they've gone the way of just weightlifting. and they've been like multiple relapsers. Now that's not a knock against weightlifting. I think people should do resistance training and cardio. But it is kind of remarkable that people that do a lot of cardio seem to successfully beat their addictions.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
What's the longest distance you've ever run in a single bout?
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Yeah, he's a sicko. He's got a broken foot right now, and he's still running on it. Yeah, he's got to get surgery, but he can't have surgery right now because he has a elk hunting season coming up He was on his way to Alaska when I sent me some some some meat which I'm very grateful for is delicious.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
He um He told me that I said, you know, what's the pain level in that foot because he showed the x-ray is still very broken Yeah, and he said I said, you know 10 out of 10 being max pain like excruciating cannot stand it He's like, I don't know maybe a four or five, but he's running. Yeah, yeah Yeah, he came and stayed recently.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
He stayed at my house a few times and I've set up some archery in the backyard and I like, he can use my sauna, cold plunge. I love it when people just spontaneously come and stay. Lex has come and stayed. And I wake up and this is literally, we did a post about, but literally how it happened was I woke up in the morning, I hadn't yet started work. So that was added later to the post.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
And Cam Haines is on my roof shooting arrows at my targets, which he's moved beyond the fence line. And so the neighbors are like, who's this guy? This is Los Angeles, right? So he's a wild man. I love him. Hitting bullseyes the whole way through just to rub it in.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
I know. And I keep trying to get him to do some of what I know to be very useful things like – BPC-157, et cetera, which, yes, there isn't any clinical data for it. It's all animal data.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
But the bloodhounds sniff much more. So it's the equivalent of having their eyes open much more, right, in the exam, so to speak. They have these vortices that are created by the structure of their nose and nostrils. So they have longer exposure.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
He's a phenom. Well, there's a guy where in his whatever it was, late 20s, took a look at his childhood, was like, well, I wasn't, you know, being, you know, my nervous system shaped to be a great athlete or a Navy SEAL, et cetera. looked at everything he had become, and he basically said a big, hard no.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
He's like, whatever it was that happened before then, he was going to shape his nervous system by putting in endless hours. Yeah, in his 20s.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
In his 20s, right. So it runs counter to everything that we talked about earlier, which is that one has to start early, but he's making up the time and then some. I saw a poster where he couldn't move his legs for whatever reason. Maybe he just had surgery.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
So he was running on his hands on the treadmill. Yeah. With his feet positioned kind of like plank position.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
That's amazing. Super inspiring. He's like a noun and a verb and an adjective.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Titanium is pretty good. This is what the neurosurgeons understand. You take out a little flap of skull, you replace it with titanium. It's a lot stronger. You mean titanium knees? Is that what you're suggesting? Yeah, or other biomaterials, right?
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Yeah, exosomes are exciting. BPC-157, while only animal data, it's very clear, you know, it has the propensity to encourage fibroblasts, which are these cells that, you know, make up things like tendon and cartilage, et cetera, and can really repair tissues. I mean, you know, and I certainly have experienced it can help repair things.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Yeah. It sucks. It sucks. Well, my wish, I mean, I have no plans to go to Washington, but but my wish is that things like BBC 157, some very interesting, I would say not cutting edge, but even further out, like bleeding edge things like pineal in which can help with regeneration of the pineal sites are incredible for sleep potentially. Like we need these things explored.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
And in the case of the bear, for instance, I don't know how many olfactory receptors they have relative to a human or a bloodhound, but that the bear is likely spending a lot more time and can pull more air, perhaps. I don't know, but is using the mechanical aspects of the olfactory system differently.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
And everyone for a while was like peptides. Oh, it sounds really kind of gray market weird. And it can be. But let's face it. GLP-1 agonists. That's a peptide that existed for years in the fitness and bodybuilding industry. Now it's probably approaching a trillion dollar industry someday.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Well, we did an episode on back health and strengthening the back and back pain. We had Stu McGill on and it was wild. I've never received emails and stuff like that. Like half of the people or more saying this, the McGill big three helped me so much, might stabilize my back. It's like a, you know, he's got his three movements. You can look it up on YouTube.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
They're easy to find there, but it's all about, and he's in great shape in his late sixties. Incredible, incredible shape. Chops Wood, he's up in Canada. So yeah. he basically is giving behavioral tools to stabilize and strengthen the spine and deal with back pain.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
other half we're like what is this you know you can't treat back pain there's a pseudoscience and then but then everyone telling me how much benefit they got out of mcgill's big three and then the war among the physios like the physios that's an ugly field i'll tell you and i asked someone why is this field of you know exercise physiology so brutal i asked andy galpin i asked and it turns out it's because it's very hard to get a lot of clients and the moment that somebody comes out with knowledge that's very useful for a lot of people they're potentially taking away their
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
So to say nothing of the pain treatment world, we had a guy on our podcast named Sean Mackey. He's an MD, PhD, runs our pain clinic at Stanford. And he talks about the biopsychosocial model of pain. And he's very open-minded. Meds work in some cases. So does your emotional or cognitive interpretation of the pain. What does it mean? So do things like meditation.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
He's basically trying to incorporate all these different things. He's very holistic, for lack of a better word. But if you look at most pain docs, They're not that evolved. They're just like, okay, this is what you use. It might be addictive, might not be addictive, but they're not ever talking about strengthening the systems that gave away in the first place. So I totally agree with you.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
There is no replacement for self-care. There's just no replacement, no pill, no potion, no injection, no nothing. There are things that can help, but there's nothing that can replace behaviors because our nervous system was evolved for these behaviors.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
In fact, and here's now I'm recalling the experiment that led to this conclusion that humans have exceptional olfaction. Which is that there's a particular compound that when introduced to a swimming pool, people can detect a difference in the smell of the water at a dilution that is outrageously small.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Well, thank you. I really appreciate you. You've been a great friend to me and a great source of support through a bunch of different aspects of podcasting and supporting the discussions about health and exercise and forcing me to make my cold plunge a little colder. Let me sniff smelling salt. Yeah.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
all of it you know i might be wrong about the cold i don't know no but really right back at you you know there are very few places in the world where you can have a real discussion about real things from all the angles and know that the person sitting across from you is being truly open-minded about it so really appreciate you my pleasure i appreciate you too all right bye everybody
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Like skunk spray. Forgive me because I'm not remembering the name of the chemical. But he said you can essentially add a drop of this to a swimming pool and then people can smell the difference between the water. And so his argument is not that humans are walking around sensing all these smells consciously as well as a bloodhound or as well as a bear.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
but that we have a tremendous capacity for olfaction that the chocolate tracking experiment exemplifies, but it requires some removal of our most dominant sense vision and hearing our second most dominant sense. And in that case, tactile, um, uh, orientation as well. And so the idea is that, you know, we have an amazing olfactory apparatus.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
In fact, he, he makes the argument and there's evidence for the fact that as soon as people meet and either they've done these beautiful experiments, people meet, they shake hands and you know, the next thing they do, they tend to, within about a minute, they wipe the scent of the other person on their face. Typically. I guess I wasn't paying attention.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Right, so we're probably sensitive to the odors that matter. That can kill us. That can kill us. He also has this idea that I think is starting to take hold in real data that we are constantly sensing our own odor plumes, that we smell ourselves a lot of times per day. That's actually very normal behavior. Right. You know, there are all sorts of ways people do that that nobody talks about.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Yeah, you check a sniff. People check their sniff. And it's an indication of hormone status, immune status. When you have babies or puppies, like, you know, you're looking at like, oh, is a good poop or a bad poop? You know, you're also paying it. People, some people will smell the poop. I'm not a proponent of that.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
But we're constantly sensing the scent and taste of, for instance, our partner's saliva. Actually, an ex-girlfriend of mine wrote to me recently. I don't know what this question represented, but she said, do you think that when you become unattracted to somebody, the taste of their mouth becomes bad to you or the other way around?
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
I guess she might have been dating somebody and maybe it had fallen out of favor and she was kind of not attracted and she was sort of noting that their mouth no longer, it tasted kind of aversive now as opposed to before.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
So see this spongy stuff? I don't know if they can see it on video. There's this spongy stuff there. That's something called the cribriform plate. The cribriform plate is a bunch of Swiss cheese-like thin bone. And the olfactory neurons, which basically sit like right behind the back of your nostrils, they send axons, they're little wire-like connections back into the brain.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
And when somebody gets hit hard on the head, that cribriform plate shears it. And that's why people become anosmic. They lose their sense of smell.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Now, what's amazing about the olfactory neurons is... is that they are among the very few neurons in the human and other mammalian nervous system that regenerates throughout the lifespan. So there's a little area of your hippocampus where there's some neurons that everyone makes a big deal of that frankly don't do a lot to regenerate throughout the lifespan, so-called neurogenesis, new neurons.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
But the olfactory neurons, even though they're a central nervous system neuron, just like your retinal neuron or your cerebral cortex, they can regenerate throughout the entire lifespan. And they do. Every time somebody takes a head hit or there's some shearing off of these axons, they regenerate.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Now, under conditions like we saw this a lot during COVID where people were complaining about loss of smell. We see this when people age. Some people are thinking that loss of smell may be a correlate, not the cause, but obviously, but a correlate of age-related cognitive decline, dementia, and Alzheimer's, things like that.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
There are a few things, actually, I think I recommended it to a couple of friends of ours. Now, there's very little data on this, but I will say, and I'll catch heat for this, but these days I catch heat anyway, so I don't care. There are good data, in my opinion, small amount of data, but let's call it decent enough data to explore that alpha lipoic acid at 600 milligrams per day
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
during the time when you're starting to lose your smell, might rescue some of that smell.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Or any viral infection where they are losing the sense of smell.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Well, anything that clogs the sinuses, certainly, but there are influenza viruses that do this. Now, I know as we're saying this, that some people are saying, in fact, Noam Sobel told me that he felt that the data about alpha lipoic acid were kind of on the weak side, but when people are losing their sense of smell and taste, it's really scary.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
I mean, it's one of those things where you kind of feel like so much of pleasure in life, unbeknownst to us is- Yeah, especially with food. Oh, I'll never forget when I got a viral infection and I took, and I lost my sense of smell. And I ate a handful of blueberries, which I love. And it just tasted like bags of water. I was like, oh, goodness. There are worse things in life.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
And I did the smell training, which has also been shown to work. Because these olfactory neurons, this is amazing, their survival is activity dependent. They require electrical activity driven by sniffing and smelling.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
It is true that the behavioral tool of taking a lemon and really just like getting it close to that nostril and just really trying to get whatever little whiff of lemon you can and then taking your coffee
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
getting that little whiff of coffee, whatever little remnants of smell that you can get in there has been shown to improve the survival and eventually the durability of not just the olfactory neurons, but scent. In other words, the behavioral training works. The alpha lipoic acid thing is debated.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
The thing about alpha lipoic acid is diabetics and people with blood sugar issues probably shouldn't take it. It can kind of reduce blood sugar a little bit. But when I had that happen, Lost my sense of smell. I was like, listen, I want my smell back. So I took 600 milligrams of alpha lipoic acid and I was doing the scent training.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
I was like sniffing lemon, sniffing coffee, sniffing Parmesan cheese, sniffing anything that was pungent that I could recognize. And my smell came back in a couple of days. But then again, I don't know because I didn't run the control experiment whether or not it would have come back anyway.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
This is like the cold plunge. I got a funny story about the cold plunge to tell you later that relates to you.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
So as somebody who had a laboratory with chemicals in it for a long time, now we run clinical trials on humans, so no more chemicals in my lab.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
You know when you go to a park and you go into a public bathroom at a park that has a pool?
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Yeah, I'm getting nervous. Ha, ha, ha. I'm no Elon Musk, but I saw what happens when people do substances on this.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Isn't it amazing that the word legal when said fast sounds like illegal?
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Wait, wait. Wait, hold on. Let me just kind of experience that for a second.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
I actually enjoyed that. Thank you. We have in the green room at the mothership. You prompted me to take several new experiences that we can talk about. But one other thing before I forget. I know I go down these nerdy rabbit holes here, but when I did the smelling salts a moment ago, I sniffed with both nostrils, but it came in mainly through my left nostril.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
And so I asked Noma Sobel, what's the deal with this left nostril, right nostril stuff? You know, you have the yogis, the switching of the nostril things. Here's what's wild. This is so wild. It turns out that every two hours or so, the dominant breathing nostril switches. Now, that could be interesting or that could not be interesting, right?
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
There are a lot of things in biology that happen, but like, what is the meaning? Turns out it's a direct reflection of a shift in your so-called autonomic nervous system from parasympathetic dominant to sympathetic dominant, meaning from more relaxed to more alert. And this is happening periodically throughout the day, like a seesaw. injuring sleep.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
So this whole thing with the yogis of, you know, breathe through one nostril or the other nostril, look, it's the olfactory bulbs. There's a lot of crossing over of information at later stages and even some early stages once the information gets to the brain. So that whole thing is probably a little bit like weak sauce.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
But this idea that you're breathing easier through one nostril or the other is reflecting an underlying brain state and body state. That is absolutely true, he tells me. And the last thing is you said, why would bears or bloodhounds have such better smell?
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Well, in the case of a bear, the size of the olfactory bulbs and the amount of brain real estate devoted to processing that information is much more. So we have a huge visual cortex. Most of our brain, frankly, is devoted to vision and to movement. Whereas the brain of, let me think of like a turtle, it's mostly movement. They have very low cerebral cortex.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Maybe that's not the best example, but certainly in a scent hound, the olfactory bulbs are much bigger than they are in a sight hound. And both of those have olfactory bulbs that are much, much bigger than Jamie's bulldog over there. Those guys sniff all the time, but they're mostly snorting, trying to get sense in. Their sense of smell is much, much worse than Marshall's, than your dog.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Yeah. Incredible. So what Noam is saying is not that humans have smell that is as good, but that when you push the conditions, you can reveal a heightened sense of smell that most people don't think humans have. Now, as I say this, there are a lot of people out there and it's usually women who are like, oh, no, I can smell everything. I can smell the subtlest difference.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
And so it may be something related to maternal health. Behavior it might be something related to estrogen.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
It might be something in the Y chromosome that suppresses that we don't know But some people are very olfactory they can smell when somebody's not feeling right or when they're not feeling right Yeah But it's absolutely the case that we're constantly taking the chemicals off other people through shaking hands through hugging rubbing them on ourselves Analyzing our own smells unconsciously.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
There could be the stress. It could be a certain... You know, we talk about stress as one thing, but stress is the dosing of different levels of cortisol, epinephrine. People that are pathological liars, they can probably do it without evoking those things. Then you have things like pupil size. Bigger the pupils, more arousal, right? The more stressed somebody is. We know this, right?
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
That's why, like, if somebody takes a stimulant, their pupils will get huge.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Let me think about this. So you are able to sense the... Their anticipation of your response. It's like they've got queued up some counter some evaluating where you're whether you're going. Yes, no, or maybe.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Yeah, and some of the best manipulators, certainly in my experience, are people that have really... figured out the combination lock of the things that I have felt deprived of and they come in. And those tend to be unique things that you can't get out anywhere. And boy, somebody said to me recently, there are certain categories of humans that I can't be seduced by.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
I'm not talking about just sexual seduction. I'm saying it just can't be seduced by. And then there are some people that just are able to get past that force field. And so I consider myself pretty good at threat sensing, except in that domain where like my threat sensing is like the equivalent of a stuffed animal.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
You know what I'm saying? Yeah. I mean, I think that the one listening to a really good book that a really smart person suggested to me called Five Types of People That Will Ruin Your Life. And and I only wish I had read it years ago.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
And here's the main takeaway, that there are about 10% of people out there, and it cuts across all the standard labels of like narcissist and borderline and all that. Like they include some of that, but they depart from that. And they just focus on what, there's a guy who's a psychologist. It's written by a guy who's a psychologist.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
He's worked a lot on conflict resolution over the years, courtroom type stuff, etc., And he says in this 10% of people, they are high conflict people, but within they like conflict, they feed off it. They like drama, they like conflict, they like creating it. But within that category, it's pretty evenly divided, he claims, between women and men.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
And then there's a further division where about half of them play passive and victim, but are highly manipulative. They use other people to try and basically harm. And then the other 5% are very aggressive and abrasive. And so he has this great set of protocols, I love protocols, that are essentially like, don't move in with, marry or get engaged to or have a child with somebody in the first year.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
And this cuts in both directions. Just don't make that agreement in year one. As well as for any behavior that kind of cues those senses, gets your spidey senses up like you were describing, ask yourself, would 90% or more of people do that behavior. And if it's a no, like you have to pause.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
In other words, what he's saying in this book is that most people are actually pretty healthy, but that most of the woes of the world are created by about 10% of people, which he calls these high conflict people, but they don't always come out high conflict, like screaming and yelling. They're often very tactical and manipulative and very vindictive. They'll leverage victimhood.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
They'll leverage a lot of different things. And again, cuts across men and women equally, he claims. Again, I don't know the data behind this book, but the book itself just feels like a very useful thing that everybody should know about. So I'm enjoying reading this book going, oh, my God, I wish I had this book years ago.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Plus, I'm realizing like, oh, yeah, like we always hear this, like most of our problems come from a very small set of people and things.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
So we tend to call them narcissists or sociopaths or psycho, you know, but those labels, while very useful in the clinic, I think have been overused in the general public. And like, we're not clinicians, we're not diagnosing anybody. And so, but. Difficult people that can ruin your life abound, but it turns out it's only about 10%.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
And it has some very specific protocols of how to deal with the people who are more outwardly aggressive versus play victim, et cetera. Very useful book.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Oh, I've definitely experienced that. And it's, and again, I think we are often, I mean, you mentioned that the relationship between erotic and manipulative and crazy or just erotic and crazy. I think there's also that when we finally receive the sorts of, I don't know, love or affection, it's not always sex. It's not always sexual, right?
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Like somebody like, I don't know, like rubbing your feet or paying, you know, paying a little extra attention to what you say or something for some people. That's intoxicating.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Yeah, it almost feels like a parental type of care that we're probably wired to look for. I mean, I always marvel at this and also just kind of shake my head and go, why? Why did God design us this way? But, you know, the circuitry in our brain that creates infant-child attachment is the same circuitry that is repurposed for all other relationships in adulthood.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
It's not like you get your childhood attachment stuff and then you go, okay, well, you're like 15, 16, you're moving on in the world, you're hitting puberty, you're starting to date a bit, whatever. Now let's work with a different set of relationships A different set of algorithms? No. It's the same set of algorithms repurposed.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
We know this based on the studies of infant parent attachment and on the basis – or infant caretaker and on the basis of studies of romantic love. It's the same circuitry. So you're using – a set of algorithms and circuitry that were designed for one thing in a very different context.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Yeah. I, you know, I, uh, I've learned so much recently about just how it is that we can lose our vision of other people. And I think this thing that we hear, like manipulation, it often sounds like, oh, it's really tactical, someone's rubbing their hands.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
I think the really tricky part about it is I do think that most people in the world are just doing their best to feel safe, to get their needs met. I think there are very few evil people.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
But in this sort of pattern of repurposing childhood attachment patterns and then people bringing that forward into their adult attachment patterns, I think what ends up happening is that, you know, people, quote unquote, trying to get their needs met, oftentimes like the worst ones.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Sometimes it's called trauma bonding, but they kind of go lock and key or somebody identify somebody that's really healthy and they're like them. I'm going to latch onto them because like they're healthy and they can, and you'd say, well, the healthy person should be able to spot all the landmines.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
But if somebody is able to really tap into like something you didn't have or something that just feels like oxygen, right? Goodness gracious. Like you could be the smartest, most,
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
you know well acclimated person with the best parents or whatever upbringing which most people aren't but you know some people do have that and still fall kind of you know into this uh fog that is like gosh like you want to be with this person but it's but it doesn't feel good you know that that mishmash and i think the thing i've learned clearly is that when you feel that trepidation
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Run, don't walk. The gray zone is actually the thing to just exit fast. Gray doesn't mean hover and check it out and run some experiments here.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Yeah, that certainly hasn't been my pattern. Not that I had the hardest upbringing, but it was, I would say, easier than some, harder than others. But I always had great friends, great friendships. But my threat sensing, it wasn't always great in romantic relationships, for sure. I've also had some great relationships.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
I think what tends to happen is that if we're very busy, we have this tendency to... to be easily manipulated by certain things that are unusual that we, just that really feel like extra oxygen to us or just feel so nourishing. And because I think people always or often default to sex, like it's all about sex.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Depending on who you are, like sex is either more or less readily available to you, right? Like I think that for some people it's nurturing, like a certain form of nurturing. And then there's also this thing of we know how to survive certain things so they don't feel as dangerous. So people who've had like very,
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
you know, overbearing or complicated childhoods or abusive childhoods, sometimes they're set to perceive danger at way too high a threshold. Right. Right. So their perception of what's dangerous is like way too high. And so they walk into even still dangerous situations, but they don't think of them as dangerous. And they're like, oh, I can navigate this.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
They're good at navigating difficult people or they're good at navigating, you know, borderline people or something like that.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Do you think it's more of a problem with people that like excitement and adventure and are super curious but like excitement and adventure? So I'm thinking comics. I'm thinking people who like high intensity sports that they seek relationships that are higher intensity because, you know, I've received great advice from people like Rick who said, you know, your relationship should be a sanctuary.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
That should be where peace is. And actually, I don't pay a lot of attention to Instagram kind of little mottos and things, but someone sent me one that I was like, yes, that feels so true, which is that men eventually settle where they feel peace.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
It's this idea that anything could, like, anything could happen.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Well, so... Don't they all come from wolves? Yeah, they all originate from wolves, but then dog selection has been twofold, mainly for phenotype, like morphology, the shape, we call it, and then temperament. So there's this chart, it might be a little hard to find online, about the dosing of wolf versus mastiff genetics, essentially. And there's a bunch of other things woven into dog genetics.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Yeah, you and I both have a lot of tattoos, but I've intentionally kept it off the hands and neck and face.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
And things have changed a lot. Like, I was born in 75, right? So I'm heading towards 50 quick. Back then, tattoos on the face was crazy. One of my childhood heroes, and somehow by the grace of God, he's become a close friend of mine, is Tim Armstrong, lead singer from Rancy. He has a tattoo of a spider web on his head and a spider on his neck.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
And I remember seeing him when I was a kid at a show and being like, that dude's scary. And Lars Fredrickson from Rancy says skunks on his forehead. Yeah. They're super nice guys. I mean, they're- Travis Barker's a super nice guy.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Yeah, Tim and Travis do transplants. And like, you see those guys, you're like, whoa, now I think it shifted a little bit. But back then I remember thinking like, that's gnarly. That's a tough guy.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
You know, and certainly Lars is a tough guy and Tim too. But the, you know, I remember seeing it like you only saw it on bikers and like gnarly punk rockers.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
A nose ring used to, remember when a nose ring or an eyebrow ring, you go into Starbucks and the person would have it covered up? Oh, like a Band-Aid? They weren't allowed to have it.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Now I see medical students with eyebrow rings and nose rings and stuff. So things have definitely changed.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Well, a friend of mine who's admittedly is a psychologist said, you know, tattoos are largely an expression of what you feel on the inside put to the outside. And I was like, that sounds good.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
There's some Rogan tattoos out there. I saw a Lex Friedman face tattoo.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
That's so good. So good. He just had a birthday. Oh, you did too. Happy birthday. Thank you very much. And Lex, happy birthday.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
So a couple more things about olfaction. And by the way, I love this stuff. This is so wild because it's the most primitive part of our brain and nervous system. We were chemical sensors before we were light sensors. Right. We were sensing chemical environments. Is this a safe chemical environment? And we evolved from that.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
We know that, for instance, memories that are associated with smell, like people will say, the smell of my grandmother's kitchen or somebody's hands, my grandfather's hands, those memories stick with us longer than anything because the olfactory bulb has a direct line to a couple of structures in the brain. So we have an olfactory bulb, which is the main thing for smell.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Then there's something called the accessory olfactory bulb. It sort of divides into primitive smells that are like aversive, get away quick. Those tend to go through a really fast line through the accessory olfactory bulb. Takes us straight to the amygdala, to the piriform cortex. It says, move your body and face and away from that. Like I didn't sit there and...
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
On the small cells, it's like, boom, get away. It's like a reflex. It's like in fish, there's this thing called the Maldoner neuron, where you touch on one side of the body, what does the fish do? Goes the opposite direction. Big, huge neuron, hardwired circuit.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
They're sensing, electrosensing at a distance. And these Maldner neurons are incredible. You touch, boom, the fish heads the opposite direction. It doesn't go like, oh, are you another friendly fish you want to mate? They go, I'm out of here. Oh, and then they check you out, right? And so it's a reflex for safety. The olfactory system has these two pathways, the olfactory bulb for kind of like, oh,
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
First of all, cool point, dogs are among, I don't know if they are the most, maybe whales are the most, but they are among the greatest variation in body size within a given species. You think of Chihuahua and Great Dane. And it looks like it's dosing of the genes controlling IGF-1. Which makes sense, a growth hormone. But kind of wild, right? We got some big humans and some smaller humans.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Is this Black Rifle coffee? And then there's the smelling salt one that goes through the accessory olfactory bulb straight to the amygdala, which is associated with threat detection and other things, straight to the piriform cortex and then to a motor circuit. Boom, turn the head the other way, get out, exhale. Don't inhale more. Aversive, okay?
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
So the thing about smell is that it's got these very hardwired components, okay? And they're set up for either a pedative, like, hmm, let me explore more, sniff in more, as opposed to aversive behaviors, like get me the hell away. And these brain areas are among the more ancient brain areas.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Now, when I say ancient, people nowadays start picking apart it like, well, it's not just limbic and cortex. The cortex is part of limbic. That's all true. But if you look at our brains and you look at the brains of like a turtle or even a snake, all the stuff we're talking about right here are all ancient. they're not exactly the same, but they're all present.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
When you get to humans, what you really add is a lot of cerebral cortex for the, thinking and association stuff, like, you know, I've been here before, so I'm a little bit less, you know, like looking around as much as I did last time, like things that, you know, context-dependent learning, context-dependent stuff.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Whereas all the highly reflexive stuff is going to be hardwired, circuitry you find in every animal, every person. And you need to divide things into three different responses in humans, okay, in order to survive. Yum, I'm going to move toward it. Yuck, I'm going to move away. And meh. There's basically only three motor responses to anything, yum, yuck, or meh.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Now there's a matter of degrees, like you might see somebody you really like, you want to, I don't know, Joey Diaz or something, you know? You see him, you want to run over, see him, right? So there's an appetitive circuit moves you towards it.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
See something that's a little odd, you might pause, I don't know what that is, or something aversive, like something happens in the parking lot and you're like, I'm getting the hell out of here. So the brain, as complex as it is, needs to divide things into one of three different motor responses, forward, pause, or retreat. I was playing with Jamie's dog out there before.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
I was like, I couldn't get him to back up. That's what's kind of cool about the bulldog. You charge him and he just goes, I'm like 20 times his size. But he's just like.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Right. So you said about why the smelling salts and adrenaline. So here's the deal. When we have this aversive response, the move away, the yuck response, get me away, there's a parallel response in the brain and body of the release of epinephrine, adrenaline. It's the same thing. Sorry for the dual naming. Epinephrine and adrenaline are the same thing? Same thing.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Long, complicated, boring history as to why it's named two things. Noradrenaline, norepinephrine, same molecule. So let's just call it adrenaline for sake of simplicity. Adrenaline is released from the adrenals in the body and it's released from a... an area in the brain called the locus coeruleus, which sends out a bunch of little wires, axons, to sprinkler the brain with adrenaline.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
And both systems work in parallel. So when you smell something aversive, it goes, inhale, ugh, okay, olfactory, certain olfactory neurons cue that to the accessory olfactory bulb, bam, straight to the amygdala. Amygdala sends a signal, brah, down to the adrenals atop the kidneys. They release adrenaline. Sends, believe it or not, a signal up to locus coeruleus.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
It sprinklers the brain with adrenaline. And you just had, within a couple hundred milliseconds, you just got a parallel adrenaline response in brain and body that allows you to do what more easily? Move. Now you're ready for motion. You're ready for movement.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
In fact, I'm sure if you put that under the deepest sleeper's nose in the middle of the night, they're going to wake up like a gunshot went off.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Yeah, because one of the best painkillers is adrenaline.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Because you've been hit hard before. Isn't it amazing how little it hurts when it happens and how much it hurts later?
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
I've seen these images of somebody just melt. It looks like they melt. And it looks like they take a few paces, and they're ready to counterpunch or something, and then it hits slowly. I don't know.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
So it's like they're just hiding. This is like slow, deep pain.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
It almost looks like the... It almost looks like his knee just kind of... Yeah, watch this, watch this.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
I'm always amazed how people can kick standing so closely.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
I'm always watching their eyes. And he fires eyes. It's amazing to me, like years ago I saw a Mayweather fight and it was obviously on pay-per-view and he was just getting paid for sure, right? That was his thing. But it was always amazing to me in the slow-mo like where he would slip punches by like centimeters.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
They may think that like his depth perception and the depth perception of fighters must Successful fighters must just be exquisite because I mean like slipping at that distance with just a chin movement That's one thing but it's also a pattern recognition.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
So do you think it's conscious? You know, I'm obsessed with this notion of unconscious genius, like, you know, like different domains of super high performance where the people don't exactly know how they do it, but they do it.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
as his momentum is going this way and i'll catch him that way and it'll double the power of the punch or the kick and did somebody teach it to you because there there's like a conscious awareness of how you do it i guess what i'm yeah i think this notion of pattern recognition it's interesting because earlier we're talking about pattern recognition for finding people are lying right you have this pattern recognition thing that you know you're not saying it's perfect but like you can sense there's something there's things that and so it's a combination of things that we aren't always aware of that's the unconscious part of the
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
unconscious genius thing that I'm referring to. And so there's this idea like our brains are pattern recognition prediction machines. And so do you think like, in other words, two questions was, do you think Mayweather was ever pulled aside and said, listen, pay attention to their left shoulder and keep your eye on his right eye. I'm just 100%. Okay. And were you ever told, Hey,
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
So I have a colleague at Stanford, Sue McConnell, who— Jozo?
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
If his left leg comes up, that means he's bouncing on his right. So you need to prepare a counterattack or an attack.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
It almost looks like it's sped up by one and a half times.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Yeah, I mean, I'm not qualified to rank people, but I watched when he was making that ascent towards it. It ended up being 50-0.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
So this colleague at Stanford, Sue McConnell, she's won best in show at some of the big events for poolies. She breeds horses and she's into that whole. What's a poolie? The poolies are the ones that look like Rastafarian dogs. You know, their eyes are covered. They're amazing. They're amazing. And she had this chart on her door. I was going to meet with her about something.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
I've seen clips of him running in the middle of the night.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
She handles a lot of undergraduate education at Stanford University. And I see this chart and the chart essentially shows the dosing of kind of the original wolf line genes versus more mastiff heavy genetic background. And there are a lot of breeds on this chart, but essentially, shows up in the following way. The dogs that are more sight and scent, right, and with longer snouts.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
So he's like under no threat whatsoever. He's enjoying life. Well, people like to be angry. I'm always calling to mind a study. I'll keep this really brief. But there's a famous study by a guy named Robert Heath.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
who was a neurosurgeon, and he put a bunch of stimulating electrodes into the brain of some humans getting neurosurgery, and he offered them the opportunity to stimulate any area they wanted. And he stimulates some areas, and they'd feel happy or giddy or drunk or sexual arousal or whatever.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
You know, the one area that all, there were only three subjects, but for human neurosurgery, that's not a terrible subject number. area that all three of them preferred vastly over the other areas to be stimulated evoked the sense of anger and frustration. Really? Yeah, people like to be angry. Which is why Twitter is so popular. Yeah. And to some extent, Instagram.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
So I'm observing something interesting about the smelling salts. It's definitely like, brrack, hits hard. And then you feel really good afterwards. You can feel it in your body. You can feel it in my body. And then I notice there's kind of a hunger for it. Right, like another hit. Yeah, like maybe in 20 minutes or so.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Yeah, I wonder... I doubt that hits the dopamine circuit, but in a little valuable science tidbit, we hear so much about dopamine, adrenaline. Look, there are three molecules. They're called the catecholamines. Dopamine, epinephrine, adrenaline, and norepinephrine, noradrenaline. And they are actually... Some are biochemical derivatives of others, and they are cousins. They work like a little...
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
like a little clan of molecules to raise alertness and focus and drive. I think the great Robert Sapolsky said it best. He said, dopamine is not about the pursuit of pleasure. It's about the pleasure of pursuit.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
that makes sense that's why he's Robert Sapolsky yeah it's all about the journey it's right so you combine motivation with adrenaline which gets your body in a position to move better and noradrenaline which kind of works in between those two it's a little more complicated not worth going into but they work as kind of like a gang of three to raise alertness directional motivation and go and so I wouldn't be surprised if there was a little bit of a dopaminergic aspect to those smelling salts I'd have to look it up and see
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Like a shepherd, have more, have a dosing of the wolf gene still in them. Then you get to the shorter snout, kind of snub nose like the French bulldog, the English bulldog, and some mastiff breeds, pugs, right? And the amount of wolf in them is like nil to none. And then what's happening- But wait a minute, but they all start off as wolves.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
That sounds weird. And I like, you know, that's why I've never tried cocaine or amphetamine. Like, I like upstates, as they call them.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
I've never tried it. Try to get organized. I'm trying to think of that. There's some, you know, there was a chart out on Twitter. We were just talking about Twitter where all the different nootropics or drugs. Let's not call them smart drugs, but things that can enhance alertness, things like alpha-GPC. As you know, 600 milligrams alpha-GPC.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
I don't care who it is that's like, where's the double-blind placebo-controlled study that shows it raises alertness and focus? Look, as much as I believe in science, you don't need a double-blind placebo-controlled study to know that a swift kick in the shin hurts and that 600 milligrams of alpha-GPC is going to make you more alert.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Right, right. And so they exist. And certainly that's one that I would put kind of high on the tier of things for if you want alertness and focus. It's certainly more benign than a lot of prescription drugs that create alertness.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Not as many. Theanine takes away the jitters, like 100 to 200 milligrams of theanine will take away the jitters associated with stimulants, which is why it's now in a lot of energy drinks. So you'll see alpha GPC, theanine, sometimes L-tyrosine, which is a precursor to dopamine.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
But there were a couple of things on that list, including prescription drugs like modafinil, for instance, which was originally designed for the treatment of narcolepsy.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Both. Yeah. So for the treatment of narcolepsy, it also has been shown to improve alertness and cognitive function in sleep deprived individuals. So you can imagine military finding that very useful.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
This is a great one, and it fits right in with what Matt Walker says to do the opposite to fall asleep, where you wash your face with warm water, take a hot shower. I go in the sauna. Or go in the sauna. Everyone says, well, you're heating up your body. You need to cool down to fall asleep.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
But you heat up the surface of your body, and the medial preoptic area of your hypothalamus, which is your brain's thermostat, says, hey, the surface of the body is heating up. What should I do? Cool down my core temperature, and that puts you to sleep.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
So they have some genes that relate to the wolf origin lineage, right? But over time they've been bred, for instance, the English bulldog.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
I do that if I'm late in the day and I'm tired. It's not a problem, but I end with kind of a warmish shower. If I want to be alert, I end on cold. If I want to go to sleep, I end with warm.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
And when you get in the cold... The surface of the body gets cold. That's kind of a no brainer. And the core body temperature goes up because the medial preoptic area, your brain's thermostat says, wait, the surface of the body is cooling down. I'm going to heat up. And waking up in the morning is. largely the consequence of body temperature going up.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
So why do you wake up more quickly in the cold? Well, body temperature goes up more quickly. Also, big shot of adrenaline from cold water. Nobody escapes the adrenaline from cold water, at least upon getting in, as long as it's cold enough. And last time you picked on me about how warm I'm keeping my ice bath. Can't even be called an ice bath. So my cold plunge is now set at mid 40s. That's better.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Getting better. But I still go into the sauna at 210, 220.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Well, and the flow breaks up the thermal layer on the outside of your body. When you're sitting in the cold plunge, I always say those stoic things where people are in the cold plunge, real still, looking tough. Tell that person to sift their arms around. Let that cold water get in your armpits. Well, what's happening is you're breaking up the thermal layer that keeps you a little bit warmer.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
This is why we huddle in there because it's not like you're making yourself like it's like you're wearing a jacket. If you move or if the water is moving. Yeah. Much more effective.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
That's right. That's my understanding. But then as they were crossbred with different- So for instance, like the English bulldog, that line came from the crossing of essentially pug, like short snout, right? But with mastiffs or with dogs with heavy mastiff genetic dosing. Why? Well, the idea was the short snout gives them a good lever for holding onto things, right?
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Man, I can't believe I'm going to admit this publicly. You know what I do? I got two little rubber duckies in there. One's a tougher looking rubber ducky and his name is Rogan. I'm not kidding. I shot a video of this. I'll send it to you. My producer's going to kill me. And then there's another one and that's Huberman. And it's you basically teasing me about what a wuss I am.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
And I do that for the entire time I'm in the cold plunge. So I forget that I'm in the cold plunge. And then at the end you go, okay, you can get out now. And I'm like, okay.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Well, this gets to something that I know we've talked a little bit about before offline, not on microphone, which is doing hard things translates to an ability to do hard things and probably translates, provided it doesn't kill you, to a longer life.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
So there's a brain area that most neuroscientists aren't aware of called the anterior mid cingulate cortex. Scientists who are in the know know about it. I teach neuroanatomy, medical students at Stanford. It's an area that we cover in passing, but there are a lot of brain areas. You can't get to everything.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
But in the last couple of years, there've been studies of this area, the anterior mid cingulate cortex, that make it super important for everybody to know about, not just neuroscientists. And here's the deal. A colleague of mine at Stanford, Joe Parvizzi, he's a neurosurgeon.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
He's in there stimulating different brain areas, including anterior mid cingulate cortex and areas near it in human patients while they're awake, preparing them for neurosurgery for other reasons. Stimulates anterior mid cingulate cortex. And what do all people who have their anterior mid cingulate cortex report? They feel like there's something about to happen.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Something's kind of looming, a challenge, a storm, some will report it as a storm or a physical challenge, but their overall sensation is one that they want to lean into it. They want to challenge it. Now, this area has subsequently been imaged in people who are successful dieters, it grows larger. In people that fail at a dieting or nutrition program, it gets smaller.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
People that embrace a new form of exercise, and here's the key point that they don't want to do, this area gets bigger. People that are just doing things that they enjoy doing does not change in shape or size. Now here's where it gets even more interesting. The anterior mid cingulate cortex is larger in volume in a group of people called super-agers, okay?
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
That's a bit of a misnomer because it implies they age faster. They actually age more slowly as it relates to cognitive decline. The slope of cognitive decline is not as steep in these people, meaning they're holding on to cognitive abilities longer than other people into older age.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
And the universal quality among these super agers is not just a larger anterior mid cingulate cortex, but that they challenge themselves to do things that are challenging and they kind of don't want to do or really don't want to do. So when we hear, oh, you know, people should do crossword puzzles to maintain their memory, probably good to keep some cognitive flexibility going.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
But if you love crossword puzzles, you're not going to grow your anterior mid cingulate cortex. If you love 45 degrees in the cold plunge after an hour long run. in the hills, which I do, probably not gonna do much to grow this area. If you really don't wanna do something and you do it, this area gets bigger.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
And it's got inputs and outputs from all of these different brain areas that make all of this make sense. Like the dopamine system, like the learning and memory system, like the areas of the brain that say, no, I'm gonna, retreat from that, it's aversive, but you push yourself to do something that you don't want to do, this area gets bigger.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
And the best part is it translates to an ability to do harder things elsewhere. This to me, I get obviously super excited about because it's nested in human data and animal data in real world examples of dieting and exercise and aging and longevity and all of that. And it speaks to much of what you've talked about on this podcast for years and years, which is do hard things.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
And the mastiff genes lead to, and we know this for sure, both of the droopiness of the face, it also relates to less presence of pain receptors in the front of the body. Okay, so if you've ever had a bulldog where you know their feet can be really sensitive, but their face, you can hold onto those jowls.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
It will give you an ability to do other hard things. But if you love doing deadlifts, Honestly, even sets to failure on those deadlifts, enjoy them, benefit from them, all the wonderful things that come with doing deadlifts, great. But you should probably also do something that you don't enjoy doing if you have an interest in the kind of benefits that we're talking about.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Right, and movement itself, like physical movement or cognitive movement if you're learning new things like comedy, preparing new things or learning poetry or drawing. Like I used to draw a lot, I've started drawing again, carry around this notebook everywhere. I'm not gonna show the drawings, they're just for me.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
But pushing myself to do something that I enjoy, but that like there's a barrier there. Are you any good? I mean, I do anatomical drawings.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Sorry, these are just my personal, these are actually just, this is my journal book notes. But I've actually, I used to post my drawings on Instagram. That's how I started. In 2019, I wasn't thinking about having a podcast. I was just posting pictures of the retina. Talking about the retina. When did we meet? So 2019, I started posting on Instagram. 2020, I came on this podcast for the first time.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
And yeah. And then I went on Lex's podcast a little bit later and then he goes, you should start a podcast. So I started January 21.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
They're just for fun. They're just for fun. Not bad at all. But I like to use them to teach. So they're not, listen, I'm, I'm no DaVinci, but that's pretty fucking good actually. But the point I'm obsessed with this thing that somewhere between perfect accuracy and total representation of biology, like a brain or a set of cells.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
And at the other end of the continuum, like ball and stick, there's like a perfect sweet spot for teaching. And so what I'm doing there is what I do in the classroom. I go, okay, listen, we're going to talk about how muscle releases a micro RNA that helps you burn fat.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
My bulldog, Costello, would go picking up stuff at the beach and he'd occasionally get a fish hook in his mouth and it looked super painful and he's like . So not very many pain sensors in the face. They have a disruption or a mutation in the gene that controls the elasticity of skin. That's why they have the droopiness. And they are brachycephalic, short snout.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
And then I kind of remind people like there's fat, there's a, you know, so I don't want too much detail, but I don't want too little detail.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
And of course that's not anatomically correct. Like the nerves don't spit out of the tip of the finger. Right. But when you're trying to teach. Dude, that's good eye. Yeah, that's really good. Again, I'm not trying to be Da Vinci. I just want people to learn the information.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
It's hard to separate nature and nurture there, but honestly, I think there's something there.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
People are going to think I'm weird for saying this, but- I don't care. I am weird. I'm going to say it anyway. Schultz, the way he moves, like how lithe he is, and his parents are like dancers and performers, right?
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Like just his movements are so atypical. And like, he's, he's like... It's like watching him is cool. Like he looks cool the way he moves. He's free. Yeah. And there's a skateboarder named Jimmy Wilkins who's like breaking every barrier on skateboarding. And he actually uses his knees to contact the board and move the board while his hands are free.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
And he's a smaller guy, real small, real wide, super loose ankles. And I said to him, like, what do your parents do? And he goes, my mom's a ballerina and my dad's an orchestra conductor.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
this guy's using his knees on the board so like he does everything not everything but he does a lot of things hands free at mock speed for people in skateboarding they probably just want to see flips and 900 varials and that stuff's cool but he makes everything look so good I mean Jimmy for those that are in the know Jimmy Wilkins is the next is like the next like Tony will say Tony Hawk everyone will say like watching Jimmy look see the whole thing here is that Jimmy's
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
is like perfect poetry. So his back knee is often used to stabilize the board because he's got that hip looseness that you were talking about earlier. That's incredible. He won X Games last year, not this year. This year he took third.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Yeah, he's big on the nicotine. I'm trying to get him to quit the nicotine because he loves the nicotine. Why are you getting him to quit? I don't have a problem with people taking nicotine. Pouches? It's a vasoconstrictor. It raises blood pressure. As long as you're healthy in other ways. I just think that I see people go from one pouch to a canister a day.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
That's a lot. I mean, it seems like you're good at keeping things in that useful, but not excessive domain.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
That's why they're not very good breathers. And they essentially have sleep apnea. That's why they have a bunch of rubs.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Well, he was doing better with his health, and then he posted that photo of himself in the wetsuit. Come on, Bert. Like, get with it.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
It's crazy. And so what were dogs being selected for? Well, unless you're showing dogs, dogs were selected for the kind of work they were capable of doing. Like sheepdogs are great herders, this kind of thing. But when people essentially designed bred up and crossbred to get the English bulldog or the old English bulldog. which doesn't have as much of an underwrite.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
I feel bad making fun of him, but I'm not making fun of him.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
I'm just worried about his health. Oh, yeah, that's not good, Bert. I'm worried about your health, Bert.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Oh, man. I must say I thoroughly enjoyed your live comedy on Netflix. Oh, thank you.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
It was so good. I watched the first one with my girlfriend. We watched it as it was happening. Then I watched it with my friend Tim when he was out. He's out on tour. Like Green Day Rants, all these 90s bands smashing pumpkins. They're out on tour, like stadiums with 90,000 people.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
It's crazy. It's crazy. I went out because I'm a big Rancid fan, and I like the other guys too, but I'm a big, big Rancid fan. I was like, holy cow, people love this stuff.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Again, anyway, we watched it again there, and then I've watched it again. I will say it felt very cathartic to me. I don't know how it felt for you, but it felt really cathartic.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
The subject matter and also, like, the next day was pure, like, delight and just baffled and shocked all at the same time when, on Twitter, I see a clip taken completely out of context about... a bit about taking things out of context. It's like life had like looped back on itself. You were talking about things being taken out of context and they were taking it out of context.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
They had like cut it. And I was like, wait, wait, wait, I remember that very differently. Cause I remember things that I hear pretty well. And I was like, went back and I was like, wait, he's talking about things being taken out of context and they're taking it out of context.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
So I had an old English bulldog. So whereas the English bulldog is elbows out, so inward rotation, the thing we're all supposed to not do, an underwrite. The old English bulldog looks like this.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
I mean, you and I have been mashed up on other stuff and AI, and I don't want to, like you said, we don't want to draw attention. They got taken off the internet, thank goodness, but it was bullshit. It was AI and mashup.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Looks more like a pit bull. And they were originally used for bull baiting, for grabbing onto the nose of the bull, getting the bull super aggressive, and then being able to let go and get called off and coming back to their protector. And then basically then it was to rile up the bull, right, for bullfighting. So you can still find some of this stuff online online.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
The part about this that's so frustrating to me is that at some point, especially as a scientist, that's data selection. If you look at data and you look at scientific experimentation, it starts with a question, you generate a hypothesis, you collect data, you publish the results, and you get to state your conclusions. Now let's talk about what you're talking about.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
In the world of science, I don't think there's a lot of outright data fraud, but a lot of experiments that don't work, people come up with excuses to eliminate those data.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
There's certainly some data fraud, and there's a range of underlying reasons. One of the more common reasons that people don't talk about, which is something to really strongly inoculate in laboratories against, is when a laboratory is known for doing very, very good work, Oftentimes, the graduate students and postdocs that go there feel like they need to give the boss the result.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
So sometimes it's unbeknownst to the person running the lab. There have been a lot of cases in recent years of papers being discovered as having major issues. And that's like, well, do you go after the lab head or do you go after the person who did it? Lab heads are responsible for everything in their lab. AI is helping with this because you can scan data and look at things. But, you know.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Ambition is a dangerous thing. You know if somebody puts ambition ahead of accuracy sure So there's that kind of thing and then there's outright data fraud I mean there was this nanotechnologist guy from some years back.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
I think his last name was shown who had like 20 papers in science and nature in two years and it turns out he wasn't even bothering to he was fabricating data the papers were all retracted and I don't know what he's doing now, but the noise plots, the random noise plots in these papers were the way he got caught.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
What it turned out is that, I mean, I'm chuckling because it's like, he was so lazy, ambitious, but so lazy that he didn't even bother to use new random noise plots from one paper to the next. So somebody said, wait, random, random should be random. Why is it the same in these two papers? Boom. And then the whole thing unraveled eventually.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
So he was particularly, he was particularly ambitious, lazy, and that was outright fraud. There are all sorts of
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
other cases and things like that and you know there's people who make this their sport to talk about most scientists are trying to get the correct answers i do believe that most scientists have good faith they're trying to get the answer but it's hard science is hard now what you're talking about to me sounds like People deliberately grabbing from the palette of paints.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
That is the words that are spoken by anybody on the internet, especially people with podcasts, you or me or anybody else. And then literally cutting and pasting things together to create a story, which is fiction.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
You can find some old descriptions, in some cases even some old videos, but of course now bull baiting with dogs is not allowed, right? Dog fighting, everybody looks down on. But then if you start asking about the toy breeds, what were the toy breeds, quote unquote, designed for or bred for? They were basically designed to sit next to you.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
I remember one of you and Elon, several perhaps. Yeah, so I know that.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
So these are actual spoken words clutched together.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
I've heard you're endorsing and not endorsing all sorts of people.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Some of them will seek out, you know, like the terrier breeds will find vermin. They'll go find rats. They're really good ratters, actually.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Yeah, completely. out of context in the example you gave. And certainly I'm familiar with examples where context is completely cut off at the point where it leads to a false conclusion.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Like where the story is completely different. The reason I gave the counter example of science is, you know, when you're trained as a scientist, you're trained to try and parse what's real and what's not real and give the best version of that that you can, and then you are allowed to state your conclusions. But I have a question.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Jack Russells are great ratters. The West Highland Terriers, the Westies, the Cairn Terriers, they're always, they're really great hunters for little things, right?
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
At what point do you think the general public will come to understand that this is the way that a lot of things that they see out there are constructed, to some degree or another, and stop actually believing it?
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Sorry, I mean, do you think that all boomers believe in the traditional media?
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
And the amazing thing is that when you start looking at the different breeds, it was basically humans selecting on the basis of mostly behavior and phenotype shape and thinking, oh, like I want a smaller dog that will just sit near me or I want a small dog that will that will like kill rats and sit near me. No, I want a big dog that's going to guard. So you start breeding for pain tolerance.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Well, I'll tell you, you know, I'll non reluctantly tell you, you know, my dad and I over the years, like we had some early issues and we resolve them and we're good now. But when some not so kind press came out about me, they interviewed a lot of people, interviewed a lot of people from my high school class and friends and coworkers and then cherry picked for the story they wanted to create.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
But they talked to my dad. OK. And I would not put my dad into the political camp that you described or any camp, really. But he's a first generation immigrant, moved here from Argentina, did his Ph.D. under a scholarship from the from the Navy. You know, I was like story of a immigrant who came here and became a scientist.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
There wasn't a lot of science to do in in Argentina. There's not a lot of funding for it. Right. So came here. I would say that.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
when they reached out to him he was like oh yeah reporter was super nice you know they asked me all these questions and then he called me he was like i'm shocked i didn't say that that was completely flipped and twisted and that you know and you got to record those kind of conversations and i said it's okay you know it's okay in fact and that changed his perception i can't speak for him but based on conversations we've had since changed his perception he's like i can't believe this that they would sort of leverage this for a false narrative
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Yeah. Well, that was made clear by the fact that many people reach out and like, I had the best conversation with this person or my former, when I was a kid, I grew up skateboarding and I rode for this, this brand, you know, thunder and spitfire. And my team manager was interviewed and, and then he called me afterwards and he said, yeah, it was kind of weird. Like I kept telling him the story that,
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
you know, that they had heard about you on podcasts over and over and they kept poking and probing, trying to get me. And he said, that's what happened. Andrew called me that day and said, help me, I need to get out of this place, et cetera, et cetera. And he was like, I don't get it. And I was like, listen, Sharugi, like that's what we call him, Steve Ruge.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
I go, listen, like, thanks for talking to her, but you know,
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
it's just the way it works it's not about like they weren't really interested in the truth they were interested in pulling out certain language an ex-girlfriend of mine said the same thing like i talked to her and i told her like what a great relationship we had and then like what she printed kind of alluded to something kind of slightly different and i just said listen that you know that thanks for talking to me you know like the goal is to collect a bunch of data like this is where i compare it to science my domain compare take a bunch of data cherry pick only the things that
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
could work if those only were true, and some of them are just outright lies, and then publish that, that is data fraud. Like pharmaceutical studies. Like many, like many. And at the same time, we're enjoying nicotine here, or you are, because I will say I'm not in defense of the pharmaceutical industry, nor am I on attack of them. But there are certain things that push through traditional science.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
I start breeding for loyalty and aggression. And a guy that I think was on your podcast a long time ago, Sam Sheridan.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
You get... great information about dosage and safety. Look at Ozempic, right? I get asked about this all the time. I don't know how this became politicized. I will say, if you do things to offset the muscle loss for certain people, reducing their appetite with it might be a useful tool. It's expensive, is there dependence?
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Those are important issues, but we learn one thing for sure from Ozempic, Monjaro, et cetera, The main cause of the obesity crisis is people eat too many calories. On average, about 3,500 calories per day, and they don't move enough, they don't exercise enough. And then we can get into what they eat, et cetera. We could have a discussion about seed oils if we really want to cause some friction.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
I don't like seed oils, I don't eat them, but I'm not aware of any randomized controlled trial that says that they're bad. I just don't like them. I like olive oil and butter, and I like cooking beef and beef fat. It tastes better, and I feel better. I feel better, and that's enough of a reason for me.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
So there's this whole thing about ratios of omega-3s versus the omega-6s, and you get a lot of omega-6s with the seed oils. Olive oil is good for us. I think I will conclude that. I think drinking less alcohol or no alcohol is good for you. I think I'm of the belief that high quality meat is good for you. I'm also of the belief that fruits and vegetables are good for you.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Yeah. In a fighter's heart, there's a great chapter where he talks about I think it's dog fighting in the Philippines. And he talks about how brutal that sport is, which indeed it is. But he talks about.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
I think all the data point to these things. I think that there isn't an abundance of data yet that says seed oils are bad. And I think Lane Norton would support that statement. And he's kind of my go-to in terms of what the randomized control trials say, right? But in my experience, I feel better when I'm not eating them. So I choose personally not to eat them.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
And frankly, there may be something to it, right? I mean, now we're hearing all about microplastics. We're hearing about all that. But when it comes to the GLP-1 agonist, right? I spent a lot of time on this, done two podcasts or more, one with an expert, one solo, et cetera. You know, of all the peptides that broke through, you know, we've talked about peptides, we've talked about more.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
There's this one peptide. glucagon like peptide one, that when raised to levels about a thousand fold over normal levels leads to massive suppression of appetite and people lose weight, which for some people is an emergency situation. They're really fat and there's nothing they can do to lose the weight and they're getting sicker and sicker.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
My hope would just be that those people would also try and eat correctly and exercise. And so the debate has become, is it good for you? Is it bad? Well, there's muscle loss. So offset the muscle loss, but let's be realistic.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Yeah. Or come off the Ozempic Manjaro eventually by replacing your behaviors. You know, it's hard to move when you're I've never been big and overweight. But, you know, the way that Goggins talks about it or, you know, it's got to be uncomfortable. Like when you're feeling kind of just not great, like just to move, you can get injured easily.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
The love between the owner and the dog can predict, and of course the dog and the owner, it's reciprocal, one presumes, that the strength of that relationship predicts how hard the dog will fight for the owner. And he uses this as kind of a parallel construction for why, and you tell me if this is true or not, that...
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
I would say one of the best ways to get and stay in great shape your whole life is, yes, exercise, eat right, et cetera. But also don't get badly hurt. That's a huge one that nobody talks about. And the number one way, in my opinion, to get badly hurt is do a workout that a friend suggests at 10 out of 10.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Like, I want to sweat a lot. You go in, you do a bunch of circuit training for an hour, and two days later, your shoulder's like, oh, boy.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
So, you know, I think there are a lot of themes here, but I'm not opposed to certain pharmaceuticals. I think certain people need drugs for ADHD, a lot don't. And dose response curves and lethal dose analysis and that kind of stuff is super valuable. What I don't like, because I don't think it's necessary, is when people default to the most expensive side effect, risky kind of reflexive option.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Because I think that the basics, sunlight, exercise, you know, cardio and weight training. I mean, we're in a, like these things work. They work so well. They've always worked well and they'll always work well. And I also think there's great data emerging that they transform mental health. I mean, the data on resistance training two or three times a week and mental health is striking.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
I mean, you compare that to what people get from certain SSRIs and you're like, goodness sake, 45, 60 minutes a week, lift some heavy objects. You feel better.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
And I know you've talked about this recently and I'm kind of like hitting a bunch of things here, but I think a lot about this relationship between traditional science, FDA, NIH. I reviewed grants for the NIH for years until very recently I was a regular study section member. I understand the process. I understand the limitations and the benefits. And I also understand that
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Like in the cases recently where the FDA decided to not approve MDMA for the treatment of PTSD, you go like, whoa, what's it gonna take? I think... You know, I had a lot of feelings about that ruling. I think it's unfortunate given the really strong data that support the use of MDMA for the treatment of PTSD.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
I mean, more than 60%, you know, successful in air quotes, plus some people just go into total remission, but the hazards are there. And if there aren't safeguards in place for the practitioner patient relationship, which is one of the major concerns, If those aren't there, well, then it's never going to be legalized.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
So there were two major issues, plus some others. But the ones that I'm most aware of is that lack of an adequate control group. People don't know if they got the drug or they didn't. And then the other one is during the course of the trials, there were some. issues that came up about improprieties between practitioners and patients. Oh, like sexual stuff? Relationships?
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
My understanding is that certain things may have arisen that kind of like pricked up people's ears. But the major issue was this. Is a person who's under the influence of MDMA in a position to advocate for what they need during the course of the session? Right. Like, are they in a quote unquote truly safe space? But the same thing could be said of psilocybin trials.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
So the solution there is my understanding is that you have two therapists there. It's not one therapist, one patient, two therapists. Right. That there are safeguards in place. Right. The same way that, you know, when somebody, a brain surgeon does a brain surgery, there's an anesthesiologist there and multiple nurses and staff to get things and hemostats.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
many of the fatalities in boxing were the consequence of, sure, 15 round as opposed to 12 round fights, but also when the corner man or the coach was the parent. And so it gets into this very complicated psychology.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
So I think that there needs to be, I think, a next phase evolution of the way that we think about things like MDMA assisted surgery.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
treatment for PTSD because I do think by my read of the data and I've looked closely at these data despite a few retractions there's still a body of data that really point to how powerfully helpful it can be for certain people under the right conditions yeah just striking and there's a tremendous amount of anecdotal data just people who haven't been in a study but talk about the benefits they've had from it and how much it's especially war veterans right
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
The work that Veteran Solutions is doing with a guy at Stanford, Nolan Williams, in our Department of Psychiatry. He's been doing brain imaging before and after Ibogaine with the veterans that are taking Ibogaine, followed by DMT. And those are... looking very, very interesting. So to me, it's also the kind of emotional loading of things like MDMA.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
When we call it MDMA, if I tell you this is MDMA, this is a drug that raises serotonin dramatically, raises dopamine dramatically, opens neuroplasticity and allows people to rewire their brains if adequately supported. to feel relief, if not remission, from PTSD. You'd say, awesome, how do we move this forward safely?
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
But if I start using words like ecstasy, I start using, now I call it what it really is, MDMA, methylene dioxide, methamphetamine. You hear methamphetamine, you hear ecstasy. You start hearing a bunch of stuff that starts shifting your brain towards, okay, this is like a party drug, they want to know what it is. Same thing was said about cannabis. I've done multiple episodes about cannabis.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
I'm not anti-cannabis. I think there's case studies where, excuse me, that's a specific thing in science, use cases where, or examples where people with a propensity for psychosis should probably not be doing high THC cannabis. I learned something really interesting, by the way, about this. We brought on an expert, brought on in part where there was a little bit of a Twitter battle.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
I actually think that's a really terrific book because I think it speaks to a lot of really interesting aspects of bonding between humans, bonding in that case between animals and humans. Of course, dogfighting,
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
I put out a solo episode about cannabis years ago. No one had a problem with it. Put a clip on X. People came at me. Like crazy, like crazy. So I invited one of the main academics in that area onto my podcast. He eventually agreed. What was his disagreement with? He didn't like a bunch of things I said, but mainly three statements.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
One was that I said that there was evidence because there is a published paper. I must say this. There is a published paper looking at the differences in subjective effects that people experience with sativa versus indica strains. And he said there's no evidence that there is a different experience from sativa versus indica strains. That's just all bud tender lore. You shouldn't be saying this.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
So I said, wait, here's the paper. Here's the paper. Then there were a couple other things.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
He said he would like to see more evidence. When he came on, he was very gracious, offered a lot of useful knowledge, but he really didn't counter with that much. There were some issues about CBD biology versus THC.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
He works on animal models, but focuses on cannabis biology. So he's very knowledgeable. And I don't think he's anti-cannabis at all. But he just was, he was checking me on some things that he felt that I- Maybe he does smoke weed. Yeah. Maybe he needs better weed. He's a very nice guy. He was checking me on some things that he felt I had not gotten correctly or that weren't adequately supported.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
So my response was, I did this publicly, come on the podcast.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Like, let's go. And not in a combative way. He agreed to come on the podcast. We had a great discussion. And one of the things that he said was, The whole idea that there's so much more THC in weed now that's leading to all these problems, like the weed of today is not the weed of yesterday.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
He said when people inhale, they take it by vape or they smoke it or whatever, his words are that there's far fewer cases of people taking in more. They're able to reach that point that they want to be at without going too far.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
However, even though it's higher potency, however, when people take it by edible, there are cases where people get to genuine freak out in psychotic episodes because they're taking in far too much too quickly because you can eat the edible quickly. They're not layering it in until they hit that plane that they want to be in.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
I don't know that there are many things that people look down upon as much as they look down upon dog fighting, but he speaks to the relationship between the dog and the owner as a loving one, which was super surprising to me. Anyway, that's a bit of a tangent, but I don't know. Maybe it's possible to find that chart.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
So he wasn't anti-cannabis. And, in fact, I think it was a case where – maybe this brings us back to Twitter – where Twitter was a very valuable tool. So I put out something. I was going off the literature that I cited. He said, no, no, no, no. Listen, there's some issues here. You should adjust this. We brought him on the podcast. He was reluctant to come on the podcast.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
He thought I was gonna like set him up for a fall. We've never done that. Comes on the podcast, got the information out there. And then it all just kind of went to like a quiet simmer or nothing. And in the end, I think that's the way that all of this stuff should be handled. Whether or not you're talking about one medical treatment or another is, and this is the way you've done it.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
And this is the example you've laid out for me and for others, right? Which is talk about both sides. Talk to vegans, talk to carnivores, talk to omnivores. Talk to people who are pro-cannabis, anti, and worried about psychosis and not. Talk to people that are really pro-MDMA for the treatment of PTSD. Talk to people who are very reluctant.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
I think only there can we get the overlap in the Venn diagram about what the agreements are and what the disagreements are, and move forward.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
And I think direct experience is real. You know, Cam Haines pointed this out recently, and I'm not saying this to like focus, you know, the positive energy on us, but it will invariably do that or inevitably do that. Excuse me, which is he said, you know, it's kind of interesting that all of the top podcasters like really fit.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
You know, like all the people that are like really into their health, right? Like you and you know, David's out there like influencers. He was saying like there's a health component or a fitness component, not always, but I think most of them, I think he may have said all of them. He may have said many of them.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
But Chris Williams and Lex, there's a tendency to merge kind of intellectual discourse with physical. And I think that's a unique theme of podcasting also, at least of certain – let's just say what it is. A lot of the top podcasts, that's like a pretty consistent theme for the female podcasters too. Like Whitney Works Out, those are podcasts. Like there's a kind of merging of those things.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
I don't want to send you on a ridiculous expedition, but if you just say sort of genes. That's a simple one. Okay. This one, the one I'm thinking about is a vertical one. That was in Science Magazine or Scientific American. But it's wild. Again, I don't want to send you on a on an expedition that has us paused, but. Yeah, sorry about that.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
And I think that when it comes to the discussion about anything about health – It also is beneficial if people are engaging in healthy behaviors, right? Or if they've tried things, like they're trying to be fit. I see Rhonda posting pictures of herself deadlifting now, right? And like Peter's talking about his workouts and he's a physician, he's an MD.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
So I think it's not sufficient to just study something, right? To just look at the data and papers. I think it really helps if you're able to get in close contact with the things that you're hearing about.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Yeah, it does suck. And there's a direct correlation between this ability to continue moving your body and your intellectual ability. I mean, you have to still go and learn and read and acquire knowledge and try hard things. You just can't just work out. But I can think of a number of key examples that are historical.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
The greatest neurobiologist of all time, supernatural levels of ability was a guy named Ramoni Cahal, won the Nobel Prize in 1906. He was the one who first defined the synapse, et cetera. He carried an iron umbrella to work. He lifted weights. Oliver Sacks, one of the greatest neurologists and writers of our time, passed away in 2015, had a 600-pound squat, okay?
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Yeah, he had the state powerlifting record at one point. Just a beast of a guy. He was also a neurologist and wrote all these beautiful books about how the mind works, the man who mistook his wife for a hat. He was behind the movie Awakenings, et cetera, et cetera.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Don Kennedy, former president of Stanford, ran into his late 70s and then after that had a hip replacement and then was doing other stuff. So Richard Axel is a Nobel Prize from Columbia University. The first person to find ways to introduce genes to novel genes to cells played racquetball. I don't know if he's still playing racquetball, you know. I'll name one more.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
These are incredible people, like the guy who essentially defined the understanding of the visual system and neuroplasticity, my scientific great-grandfather. There's David Hubel and Torrenson Wiesel. Torrenson just turned something like 95 or something, maybe it's 93. He still runs. He runs slowly, but he still goes, and he is mentally sharp. So this is not an accident.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
This is not just a correlation. This is the anterior mid cingulate cortex in action. And of course, cancer, a bus or a bullet can still take you out. But assuming you make it into your 60s, 70s, 80s, movement, movement, movement is the way to stay mentally strong and to continue to have the capacity to learn.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
I mean, just to kind of weave these two things, if we're talking about MDMA, psilocybin or some other agent that raises serotonin and dopamine. Or we're talking about movement. All we're really talking about are ways to increase these neuromodulators like dopamine, acetylcholine, serotonin, epinephrine, and they create the opportunity for neuroplasticity. They don't create plasticity on their own.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
They create a milieu that's very much like the young brain where it's like, okay, what's new here? This is why adrenaline is such a powerful tool for plasticity. I'm not going to suggest people use smelling salts to try and do better on their exams. There are other ways to do better on their exams. I probably will take another one.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
It was left before. It's definitely right. Oh, man.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
get a little adrenaline now you can lift more well I told myself I wasn't going to cry on this podcast because I cried on a podcast recently of mine we kept it in but like now I'm crying but these are tears related to the smell yeah this is tears just sort of chemicals rot in your brain you're supposed to not do that more than twice a day but we've done it many times so it's just that this thing neuroplasticity like that does it really that's from your sinuses you have some skulls around here like the sinuses run from you know here and through to the that's why when you get a sinus infection or you
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Yeah. So so now when I see like, OK, like a collie, like I see a collie down there, I think long snout. So probably has a better nose than a than a mastiff breed. Are you can ask an owner, how good is their vision? Are they a sight hound or a scent hound? And of course, they're both. But some dogs like I'm really interested now in part because of.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
and clear your, yeah. But neuroplasticity is the most impressive feature of the human brain. It can rewire itself. But when you're a kid, you rewire in response to passive experience, for better or worse. As an adult, you can rewire your brain, but you have to create the milieu, the environment that the brain wants to rewire itself.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
So these neuromodulators like adrenaline or dopamine or serotonin, they need to be spiked. And nicotine, what you're now taking another one, is we know comes, does many things in the brain and body, but God, that stuff's strong. But there's a brain area called nucleus basalis, which sits in the base of the brain, and it can serve as a spotlight by releasing acetylcholine onto what?
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Onto nicotinic acetylcholine receptors in certain circuits and provide focus. So that's what nicotine's doing. Unless you take so much of it every day, that those, your kind of baseline levels of acetylcholine either drop or become kind of regulated to the point where you're not getting that spotlighting anymore, which is why people then are taking more and more.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
But as our, you know, your former guest and my colleague, Dr. Anna Lemke has said, the worst thing you can do when you're in a trough of dopamine is try and boost dopamine again. You just got to wait for it to come back. So if people want nicotine to continue to work, they should use it sporadically or when they feel like it's not working anymore, take a break.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Yeah, and I covered that in my solo episode on cannabis. this researcher from Canada who's, I don't think he's pro or anti-cannabis, but had differing views, came on my podcast. And then- What's his name? Matt Hill. And he's a respected researcher in this area. And I thought his stance was very nuanced. And then after he came on the podcast, other people-
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
not Berenson necessarily, although I haven't checked my DMs that closely, contacted me and said, no, I have counters to that guy, which just told me everything I already know, which is that science is a field with people with differing opinions, right? Which is good. Which is great. I mean, you don't have a field until you have differing opinions.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
You don't want to be the only person working on something. Right. You want that. It's something that, you know, you can tell I get really impassioned, smelling salts or no, about this, because somehow... In the media version of is cannabis good, is cannabis bad? And honestly, the political aspects to it.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Like I wasn't tracking the fact that cannabis was just about to be approved for more legalization right about the time that that clip got amplified. But I wasn't saying it should or shouldn't. I'm just giving you the information. Same as I did for alcohol.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
I would love to put this to rest once and for all. Every couple of weeks or months, you're going to see media outlets say some drinking is good for you. Others will say some drinking, any drink is bad for you. Here's the deal. Zero is better than any. A little bit's probably fine, especially if you do other things to offset the sleep loss and microbiome stuff.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
If you're going to drink, probably should be doing other healthy behaviors anyway. No one's saying it's terrible. I'll have a drink every once in a while. I'm not an alcoholic. If you're not, if you're a non-alcoholic adult, one or two, I love like a good white tequila with soda and lime. So good. But, you know, I don't really like alcohol enough to be able to comment past that.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
But, and I haven't had a drink in years, but the reality is that alcohol, One study after another saying moderate drinking's good for you, no drinking's better for you, cancerous. This is never gonna stop. It's a field. Now we have enough data, people can make their decision. Everyone knows sleep is important.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
There's no field to be had except to how to figure out to get sleep better, in my opinion. Sleep deprivation's bad, but you're not gonna get dementia or die from a couple bad nights sleep. That's also true. So it's almost like the way things have split politically has become the way that health information has split.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
And I'm fighting tooth and nail, and I know you are and other people are as well, to try and continue to shine light on the field that is psychedelics, the field that includes cannabis, the field that includes things like weight loss and Ozempic, but also exercise and all the other good things. And somehow, and maybe you can tell me because I'm new to the media thing, newer than you, certainly.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
For some reason, people don't like that. It's like the brain needs like a black and white thing. It's like they can't seem to just deal with the fact that like, look, you'll find evidence for and evidence against. You just got to make the best decision for you.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
I didn't know that. But science to me is about facts. And I totally agree. I think that Rick Rubin, he seems to come to mind a lot to me today. But he once said to me, we were in discussion, I discovered science. a bunch of lies in somebody's life. And I was like, oh my God. And he just said, very calmly, he said, look, it's all lies. And I'm like, what do you mean? I'm like, that's the problem.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
I read this incredible description of why dog scent and sense of smell is so much better than ours. There's a guy named Noam Sobel who's been on my podcast. He's over in Israel who claims that human olfaction is just as good as dog olfaction. But how do they outdo us? The frequency of sniffs. And this is really cool. You know those little notches on the side of the nose?
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
I'm realizing it's all lies. And he said, listen, it's all lies. Back to nature. That's the only truth. And I'm like, yeah, that's why I became a scientist. And then he said, oh, wait. And professional wrestling. Because everyone knows that's made up.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Well, they're jumping around in the ring. And they'll stop every once in a while and look and go, hey, Rick Rubin. Like, it's wild. Like, he's that much of a fixture. It's so great. He's there with his red lens glasses and the whole thing. He does the sunlight. He's gotten much healthier. He looks great. He takes really great care of himself. But... I think he's right. I think nature has a truth.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
It has an order to it. Science's job is to try and unveil that truth to the best of our abilities. But wrestling, admittedly, everyone agrees it's made up. So at least we agree on that. Whereas I think so much of what we've been talking about today is like the media. At what point do we realize there are portions that are true, there are portions that are made up?
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Like our nostrils look more or less symmetric. They have those little notches. They create little vortices for the dog so that the scents stick around. They're actually getting longer exposure to a scent. So when they, they're getting something like 10 or 20x the exposure to the scent in the olfactory bulb.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
crazy. That's crazy. Especially among friends. I've always been blessed that there's been very little, if any hierarchy in my friends, we knew who was better at certain things than others, you know, and this should never be, we're just human beings.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
No, I'm not smart. It's just different form of intelligence. And I'm not just saying that. You know, with each passing year, and I've looked forward to like approaching 50, because I'm like, now I can say things like with each passing year or by this stage. But I also realized the other day, I lived a long period of my life where I didn't really have a sense of the fact that I would die.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
I'd watched the Steve Jobs commencement speech at Stanford, 2005, where he talks about this notion that we're going to die is so critical. And I couldn't get in touch with it. Recently, I'm like, oh. Like time's gonna come up. Every time I go down for a meditation, I do this like non-sleep, deep rest, yoga, nidra meditation. I like go do the long exhale.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
and are able to assess both directionality, they can do right nostril, left nostril, they can sense odor plumes to steer in one direction or another. But Noam has done these crazy experiments when he was back at Berkeley, where he had people's hands mitted, eyes covered, so they can't sense touch, they can't see, everything's covered, and they can follow a scent of chocolate
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
I'm like, someday it's gonna just be last exhale. And I'm not looking forward to dying. Lord knows I'm not looking forward to dying. But I realize, I'm like, this is great. It's very freeing. Because I had this realization the other day in a meditation. No psychedelics involved in this one. And I realized like, I can continue to just be curious and explore.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
And like, I think it's that ego detachment, a little slice of that. Like, this is bad. This is good. I'm learning from this. This was good. This was hard. I learned a lot from that. I learned what I needed to change from that and just be moving forward.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
It's this removing this thing of like, like you said, like this game all day long of like, not that I was in that mode or I didn't think I was, but this need to win, right? It's sort of like being an explorer. I'm a brain explorer. I've been a brain explorer for a long time. I love biology, love animals. Like I'm an explorer.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
And I think the definition of curiosity to me is that you're not attached to the outcome, right? You just want to know what's real, right?
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
When did that fall away for you? You're about— Fifty-seven.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
So interesting. I will say we know how we feel about people when we see them succeed. Because I think there's this natural reflex like when you hear like, oh, that like that really shitty person that you knew in school, like they got pancreatic cancer. Everyone just goes, oh, like that sucks. That sucks.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
But when you hear, hey, you know, that person that used to really dislike or that you had friction with and like they just like. IPO like they're doing great, you know, you know immediately do I like that person or not, right? Because if you're happy for them, presumably you like them, right? You know, yeah rarely is it neutral either?
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
I mean, I I can't think of anyone that I'm like don't want to see succeed except maybe a few individuals I think are actually evil, but those are extremely rare But I think it sounds like you're also a competitive person. I didn't do a lot of competitive sports I'm very curious about this like I'm competitive with myself but like you did combat sport and
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
I did skateboarding, play a little soccer, did some swimming, running, weightlifting. You know, like like you your brain was weaned in fighting a lot of the time.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
buried seven inches below the ground what yes and you can see this this you can find if you say uh tracking sorry Jamie my goal wasn't to come here and send you on these these people have a nose like Ari Shaffir oh boy or Adrian Brody oh my um If you say kind of Berkeley chocolate tracking Sobel or something like that, it should come up.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
It's there to map according to your experience. I mean, like literally come into the world, baby's flopping, like, you know, like little bug, move, move, move, move. Neuronal connections are being removed by the thousands, tens of thousands by the day so that you get fine-tuned movement. It's like you're a plasticity machine.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
And then you're thinking and your notions about boys and girls and teachers and parents and good things and bad things and what that means and what that means and who's a hero and who's a villain. The brain is just placing things into boxes and symbols. It's an unbelievable phenomenon. And it's happening when you're a teenager, then you throw hormones into the mix.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
People often don't talk about this. Then you add hormones and now you're adding the drive that is hormones related to like really hardwired, evolutionarily selected things like reproduction. Fighting, right? We all have brain circuits for fighting. There's a brain area. David Anderson's laboratory at Caltech has studied this. I think we talked about it before.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
You stimulate this little region of the ventromedial hypothalamus, the specific neurons, and the animals will mate. They'll mount or the females will go into lordosis. They'll arch their back. to expose their genitals. You stimulate other neurons in that exact same area, ventromedial hypothalamus. You know what happens? They go into a rage. They want to rip apart the other animal.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
There are videos of this online. You can put the mouse in there with a plastic glove filled with air, stimulate these neurons, and the animal will just attack that thing. And then you stop the stimulation, and the animal just... Wow, little robots. Our brains have these circuits. As Jung said, we have all things inside of us.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
The extent to which we learn to suppress or exacerbate depends on experience, its nature and nurture. But we come into this world hardwired with the capacity for most any of these behaviors to emerge. Your daughter fortunately got very good at drawing, right? That probably is handed off through some slight genetic bias handed on through you.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
and your partner, your wife, to create a slight bias towards looking at the world in a particular way, an artistic sense, something about aesthetics, pay attention to curved corners versus square corners, whatever it is. But what we do feeds back on that circuit. So if you draw more, you get better at drawing. This is the nature.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Their nervous system was shaped in fighting. The same way Tiger Woods' nervous system was shaped golfing.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
This is why when people say, like, what should I do? I always think, like, I don't know what people should do. And I took a formal education path eventually. But if we look back to the things that really delighted us and that we naturally oriented towards when we were young, there's often information there. For me, it was animals and fish tanks and biology. I wanted to understand things, right?
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
So he would do these aerial views of these people tracking these scents on the ground. And it turns out people are really good at this. They can track a scent.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
And parse things through an understanding of some structure because the world just That's what it pulled out of me. My dad's a scientist, so it's probably some genetic thing and probably some nurture stuff as well. I'm a big track and field fan and went up to the Olympic track and field trials in Eugene, Oregon. I love the town of Eugene.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
I go to every trial as I can for the last, gosh, four Olympic trials. And earlier that summer, I ran into a guy named Cole Hawker. He's a shorter guy for a runner. He runs the 1500, so it's about a mile, right? And he took the first position there, so he went off to Paris. And he came from, it's an amazing race. If you didn't watch the 1500 race at this year's Paris Olympics, it's fucking amazing.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
If anyone needs motivation, you should get it from the inside is my belief. But if you need to look outside, which we all occasionally do, check out this race. Cole comes from like fourth or fifth position against the world record holder. He's shorter, he doesn't have the stride that these other guys have. And they box him in. and he goes out and around and beats them all, takes the gold.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
It's one of these like pre-Fontaine moments, right? Now here's what's crazy and relates to what you're saying. He's posting on Instagram afterwards. I happen to know him a little bit. Cam and I went and watched the trials together, which is a real pleasure. And Cam's like a legend. These Olympic gold medal winners were coming up to him, running, we got great seats, right?
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
And I gifted him a seat because I'm very grateful to Cam for, okay, here's Cole, right? Cole's a USA in fifth position. All right? I don't know where this is. This is a fairly long race.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
No. So you might want to just go a little further because this is the whole race.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Yeah, he's the man with the man bun. But he's man with a capital M-A-N. I'll tell you. You'll see. Super nice guy, too. So this guy from Norway, Ingerbritsen, he and his brothers have like a reality TV show. They're like famous over there. He's a world record holder. Also a great runner, but cocky. He's like talking a lot before. So check this out. So...
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
I don't know how far along we have to go before... Damn, they're running fast as fuck for a mile.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Right. Final lap. So watch this. So he breaks from fifth position after they box him in to win.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
I don't know if you caught that, but basically he's fifth position. So he kicks at the end and takes it all at the end against the world record holder. Now, here's where it gets even. Oh, here we go.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Yeah, so he's way back, and then they box him in later, and he wins.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Okay. But if you go images, I think you'll probably... Chocolate scent through the grass. Yeah, if you go images... and then I'll lay off the Google. So if you go to images, damn it, and you just say Berkeley, just say, there it is. Right, so they compared the tracking of a scent hound, of a bloodhound, to human tracking of a scent buried, in the case of the bloodhound, it wasn't buried.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
So Inger Britsen went out really fast in this race, fast pace. So now he's trying to come around. Right. So now watch this. So. So now he's trying to, this is the boxing you'll see. He's trying to take the inside track. And these two guys don't want him to do that. Right, exactly. He actually touches Inger Britson. He actually touches him on his back hip with the outside of his arm.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
It's weird, there's like no rule. There it is. He sees if there's space. Inger Britson's not going to let him in. And so he goes, you know what? How about this instead? How about I come out? He doesn't, sorry, he stayed inside track and he breaks through.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Yeah, they boxed him in. They boxed him in. So here's what's wild. So afterwards there's a bunch of posting on Instagram. Then they show a picture of Cole Hawker when he's like eight years old holding a medal where he was running the 1500 and he's doing like four minutes and change. That's a mile, which is a miler as a kid running four and some change as a little kid.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
So this brings it back to your point, which is like nowadays we're seeing the selection of people who are probably have a genetic bias towards something, a love of it, like running, right? Plus immense amounts of experience. And their nervous system, like he was shaped miling. That's a nervous system that miles. I'll tell you, you can also walk and talk and eat because I've met him.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
But that's a nervous system that was shaped around running the 1500 mile. So when you see it, they're like the top, top, top 1%. It's so different than like my field where you can't go to graduate school to get a training in neuroscience until you're in your 20s, unless you're a phenom. So you can't go to school for this.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
And so I think when people look at what they naturally oriented to when they were young, And they stayed with that. That's the thing that you had maybe a genetic, probably genetic leaning toward.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Absolutely. I think because of the online learning platforms. I think of because of... I even like the sport that I grew up, unfortunately, wasn't very good at, or maybe fortunately, who knows, I was skateboarding, right? So many of my friends went on to start companies, became pro skateboarders. A lot of them didn't, but I didn't have a propensity for it.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Kept getting hurt, broke my foot three times. I was like so frustrated. It was unbelievable. So I went in a different direction, went in the science direction. Turned out to be my thing. But now... The little kids, literally little kids, boys and girls, like this girl Reese Nelson, she skates with power on vert. Not like a little kid going, she's got power and technical.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
And guys like Tony Hawk are like, whoa. It's because they have all this exposure to 900s and tricks and ramps. And there's just way more people feeding the pool of potential skaters. professional skateboarders. So when you look at the Olympics or the X Games now, you're getting a much greater selection of the huge pool, bigger sample size feeding into it. You're getting the genetic gifts.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Her mom travels with her everywhere. She dedicates near 100% of her time to this. So it's a lot of what you were saying, like we're selecting earlier. We're pulling from a larger pool, so you're going to get the genetic freaks. The pole vaulter guy keeps winning world records or beating his own world record. I saw him get at the Worlds at Eugene about two years ago. Broke the world record.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
He keeps beating the world record. This guy's been pole vaulting his whole life. He's been pole vaulting since he was a little kid. So the earlier you get him, the more the nervous system can be shaped that way.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Yeah, they got a mask on, their hands are covered with thick gloves, they can only use, the only thing exposed are their nostrils. But that line, that yellow line is not a line with a bunch of chocolate on it. It's buried below the surface. I always thought it was above. And then when I talked to Noam, he said, no, no, they buried the chocolate scent.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Yeah, that guy's brain has a circuit. I'm willing to wage my entire career on this. That is a left kick circuit. The same way that a tool like a bow is designed for a specific thing, that circuit is like left kick.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
And people were able to track it like a hunting dog tracks a pheasant.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
So if we look at this through the lens of nervous systems, you know, I know that there have been conversations that you've had here and elsewhere, like would a crocodile versus a gorilla, these kind of crazy things. We don't need to reignite that. But I think when we're at the... discussion around true peak performance.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Like somebody grew up running miles, who grew up throwing left hooks, who grew up slipping punches. Yes, they're both homo sapiens, they're both humans, but you're talking about two different animals. When you're talking about the person that got into in their twenties and thirties versus the person that started off young, You're talking about two different nervous systems.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
If we were to look at their brains under magnetic resonance imaging, you'd see a lot of things that are similar. The breathing centers, the stuff that controls the heart rate. Everything is mostly in the same place. But I'd be willing to bet everything that you look at Ryan Garcia's brain, you go, that left hook, if you were able to throw the left hook in the thing, you'd see it light up.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
So he insists that this thing that you see in all the textbooks... which is that humans have, you know, like 1,000th or something of the number of olfactory receptors. That's total bullshit. Total bullshit.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
You'd be like, wow, either more efficient, more... maybe more space allocated to it, maybe less space, but the speed of transmission is just faster. You're talking about a different nervous system, which is just a different way of saying a different person, but it's more meaningful in my view because what you're talking about is cars with extra cylinders.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
You're talking about a race between two different vehicles. And so I think if somebody is very educated in the fight game or is educated in in any domain, they're able to see that difference and give people really good advice. Whereas with the person themselves, they can't see that. It's like, we look the same here. He trains, I train, I train harder, I'm driven. It's like, no, it's not the same.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
And I think that's why to me, something like a Cole Hawker win over a world record holder is, as is the other stuff we were just watching, incredibly impressive because you say, well, he's in fifth position and he's got a shorter stride and the other guy's got all this world record stuff under his belt and he's done great as well.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
I think he won the 5,000, Inger Britten won the 5,000, but Colts just like, pulls something out, like they're very close in terms of their abilities. They're the same, roughly the same species, right? You know, in the context that we're talking about. And then somehow through sheer will is he able to outkick him.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
And he's from Kentucky. I've never been to, I've been to Louisville once, but someone told me, I don't know if this is true or not, but they're more, if you looked at the number of medals from people from Kentucky, It's almost like in a complete country. Really? I don't know what's going on in Kentucky.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
No, not just in track and field, like across the summer Olympics. If you look at the number of like American versus Chinese medals, it's like tears out. But then you go like Kentucky was a pretty good quote unquote country.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
And in fact, our friend who, by the way, wanted me to say hello, Rick Rubin, turned to a good friend of mine, who's the chair of neurosurgery of a major medical school department, not Stanford, I promise, and said, what percentage of the things in medical textbooks, okay, this is Rick asking this chair of neurosurgery.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Yeah. There you go. There's something about people from Kentucky are doing very well in the, in the, uh, How are they in neuroscience? I have a friend who just retired as chair of the neurobiology department. It's actually neuroanatomy there, my friend Bill Guido at University of Louisville.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Bill Guido, he ran a great department there. I'm sure someone else has taken over.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Maureen McCall does great vision research there. So one of the great things about being a scientist was, you know, my lab now is run at a much smaller scale. But for years, I just traveled the country, these places I would never think to go to, right? I had a great Argentine meal in Louisville. I went to... In St. Louis, I had one of the best meals of my life. I don't think I'd ever go to St.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Louis, but I was visiting Wash U. And then there are certain cities that you hear terrible things about, and they're true.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Great horses. Like I've been learning more about horses cause it's like dog selection and horse selection. Is it, I mean the, the genetic breeding and the selection of horses for particular traits, like this whole warm blood thing. I don't know much about it, not enough to comment on it, but these people have been around horses their whole lives. A stud horse is worth millions of dollars.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
And they know that, that full, that's the one that, and they put tons of money on it. Like they have this unconscious genius based on all this life experience.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Or the Williams sisters, like that movie, the King James movie. Or Tiger Woods. Yeah, or Tiger Woods. Yeah. Or the kids that I grew up with skateboarding. Like there's this kid, you know, Guy Mariano. I knew him when he was a little kid. He would waddle. The board felt like looked bigger than him. And now growing up, he's so good. He's kind of in my generation.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
So he's kind of like in the late 40s thing. He still just kills. Because he developed his body.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Went through all the trials and tribulations. And this has been public. You know, had his issues and got sober and came back to skateboarding and just killed. skateboarder of the year for Thrasher, which is a huge deal. You just see like the young Danny Wade, Tony Hawk grew up skateboarding. His body, his nervous system is skateboarding.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
And I love this aspect to people in sport because we see it, but it's, you know, I think I remember listening to like, and hearing conversations like this and thinking, yeah, but like, if you're not into that, where is it? And this is where, man, I just keep thinking about all the time, but forgive me. Rick has always said, the key to being really great at something is to just be you.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
And I'm like, that sounds like about as mystical wrapped in a riddle as it possibly be.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
And I guess thieves just come in and take whatever is expensive.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Yeah. Everybody wants to, like, oh, that bitch, she's on it. So we don't give anybody misinformation. We interrupted this podcast because Jamie found out at the end of the podcast that one of the Kardashians has her own GLP-1 daily pill. It's the latest product capitalized on weight loss drug. This is Kourtney Kardashian, who's the thinnest. She was always thin, which is odd.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
So just so people know. But the point was, at the beginning, everyone was calling it the Kardashian drug. Maybe they were right.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Finally. I tried to talk that guy into quitting his job for like 10 fucking years. From the moment I met him, I'm like, quit that job, dude. You can make more money doing this. I was like trying to convince him.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Cam was running marathons in the morning before work when he was working eight-hour days. He would get up 3.30 in the morning, run a fucking marathon, and then take three days off of work, take his vacation time, and go run the Moab 240, run 240 miles through the fucking mountains. That's a regular guy with a regular job.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
And if you don't get inspired by that and realize there's more in the tank than you think there is, and people like that, the benefit of people like that is that through their discipline, you can learn that you could do these things too. You can get inspired by it.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Maybe you can't run the Moab 240, but you will most certainly hold yourself to a higher standard when you know there's someone out there that's really busting their ass and trying to make things happen.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
I mean, that's insane. How about Deontay Wilder? He was driving with Budweiser or Coca-Cola or something like that. Remember who he was driving for? What was it? Coca-Cola? Driving, delivering trucks. At like 21, starts boxing. At 23, wins a bronze medal in the fucking Olympics. So crazy. Crazy. Budweiser. Budweiser. That's just so nuts. Delivering Budweiser.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
So the guy's just trying to take care of his family.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
He got into boxing to take care of his kid who had medical problems.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
He needed money to take care of his kid, so he just said, I'll become a pro boxer.
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And it has the gift. This one in a fucking hundred million gift of power that he had. Yeah. It's nuts. But people like that exist to inspire you to do more. And you could say, fuck her, she's on Ozempic. Or maybe she's not. Maybe she eats really healthy and she fucking works out every day. Maybe that. Maybe that too. Maybe instead of going, oh, fuck that, she's on Ozempic. Yeah.
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Damn, that bitch looks good. What's she doing? What are you doing? And then maybe find out what she's doing. Maybe just realize you could do more yourself. And if you did, everything that you could do to make yourself healthy wouldn't even have the urge to look at someone else and say, oh, she's on Ozempic.
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And that's the benefit of SSRIs too for some people. Yeah. For some people. And for Ari, that was the benefit of him. He was really depressed. It was really bad. And I think it had something to do with taking DHT blockers. So he was taking whatever the fuck that stuff is for your hair. What's that stuff called? Yeah, Propecia.
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Some people. And it wrecked him. Yeah. It wrecked him. It got him very depressed. But the SSRIs helped him get over the hump and he eventually got off of them. And when his life is doing better, what a shock. He feels better. He's happy. His career's doing great. He's fucking not depressed anymore. Oh, crazy. They're all related.
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People would try to tell you that your life sucking has no bearing on the level of depression that you have. Well, that's crazy. That's crazy. Because there are people whose lives are seemingly on paper amazing and they're still depressed. But I guarantee you, they probably have their priorities off. And I guarantee you, they probably don't exercise.
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And if they do, it's some rare imbalance that some people do have.
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You're used to a certain level of adversity. And if you have no adversity, adversity is very difficult to handle. But if you give yourself voluntary adversity that far exceeds anything you're going to experience outside of that, you're way better at handling stuff. If your workouts are so fucking brutal, and I've seen you do Muay Thai, it's fucking hard, man. It's hard. It's exhausting.
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And everything else seems easy. Because when you're on, like, round five, and it's a five-minute round, and you're three and a half minutes in, and he's trying to get you to do switch kick over and over and over again, your fucking heart is beating out of your chest. You've got to finish the round strong. And when you're done, when that bell goes off, you're like, oh, my God.
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But the feeling of being exhausted, pushing yourself, that struggle is so much more intense than anything you experience other than a life or death confrontation in your day.
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Every time I get out of that stupid ice bath, I feel like that. Every time I go in, I don't want to do it. I know I'm going to go in it because there's two people in my head. There's the general and there's the pussy. And the pussy is like, don't do it. Don't make me do that for three minutes. Don't make me get in there. And the general's like, shut the fuck up, bitch.
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You know you're going to do it. So stop with all these thoughts. Just put the lid up.
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That's the good thing though. That's your win. That's your win of the day that you did that. You need those little wins. Just like we were talking about with Ozempic. You need to get one on the board. Yeah. You know, and get one on the board any way you can. Completing a workout. Write it down. Complete it. You got one on the board. You got a win for the day. That's real.
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It seems like it's not, but it's real. That's why the belt system works in martial arts. Right? You get a blue belt. You're like, oh, I got a blue belt. Holy shit, I'm not a white belt anymore. Yeah. I want to get a purple belt and incentivizes you.
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It's funny because people will say that that's an addictive thing, which is really interesting. Because one of the things that people talk about with addictions that people are struggling with today, one of them is fitness apps. Yeah. Like, geez, isn't that like the greatest addiction of all time? Like, yeah, you can go off the rails. You can get a little crazy.
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Yeah, or jiu-jitsu a healthy Right addiction exactly it is it's it's a better alternative than drowning your sorrows in a bottle Well, that's also the same pathways of the mind that lead you to negative addictions leads you to positive addictions It's just about it's about channeling that kind of energy into something positive Yeah, I am a hundred percent an addict
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But I have figured out a way to be addicted to all things that are really good that I love. That's the way to try to live your life. It's just try to funnel that, whatever that focus is that leads you to want to shoot heroin. And this also works the other way, too. And there was a guy that I know that was a world championship caliber pool player.
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And wouldn't drink, wouldn't smoke, just drank water, super clean and healthy. And he was one of the top pool players in the world. And he was winning tournaments and gambling and winning a lot of money. And he was like rock solid. This guy was – he would hold down the cash. Like if you bet on that guy, you had a really good chance of winning. He would win by – he would not choke ever. Yeah.
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He got in a car accident and he hurt his back. And the same thing that got that guy addicted to pool got him addicted to pills. He couldn't stop taking pills, man. That weird pathway. And my friend Tommy put it this way. It's like the same thing that got him addicted. He called it. The same thing that got him addicted to pool got him addicted to pills. It's like this obsession.
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So he found this thing that gave him relief from the pain and then he became obsessed with getting more of them. And then one day died. You know, he died young. Yeah. And this was a guy you would never have predicted that. And that's what's so insidious about what the Sackler family did. That's what's so insidious about the opioid crisis is you can get good people.
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And everybody wants to say that wouldn't happen to me. I'm mentally strong. That's nonsense. I'm telling you this guy was as mentally strong as you get. Some people just get caught. It gets them, especially if you're in pain. Especially if you're one of those people that doesn't tolerate pain very well. Some people just, I don't know if they feel it different. I think they feel it different.
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I think it's the only thing. I think just like hot sauce tastes different to some folks, I think some people feel pain different. And you know what? One of the reasons I thought this is my mom got an injection in her knee and she didn't even flinch. They stuck this giant ass needle in my mom's knee and plunged it in there and she didn't even flinch. And the doctor's like, that's crazy.
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This fucking 70-year-old lady didn't flinch. And I was like, that's where I get it. Yeah, it's a high pain threshold. It has to be. I think it's a genetic thing. Yeah. I used to think that it was from being hurt all the time in martial arts.
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They did a very similar thing. They did a rat park. And so they had the rats in the cage and the rats, I think it was heroin that they used. See if you can find what the rat park study was. Very similar type study. And they did another study where they had this enormous cage where the rats could run around. They had toys, things for them to do. And they didn't just do drugs until they died.
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They just went and had a party and lived like normal rats. Yeah. Which is just like all mammals, all humans. We have...
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these reward systems that are built into us heroin or cocaine lace rat oh here it is alexander's experience in the 70s had come to be called rat park researchers had already approved that when rats were placed in a cage all alone with no other community of rats and offered two water bottles one filled with water the other filled with heroin or cocaine the rats would repetitively drink from the drug-laced bottles until they overdosed and died
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Whoops. Fucking pop-ups. He put in rat parks where they were among others and free to roam and play, socialize, and to have sex. And they were given the same access to two types of drug-laced bottles. When inhabiting a rat park, they remarkably preferred the plain water. Even when they did imbibe from the drug-filled bottle, they did so intermittently, not obsessively, and never overdosed.
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A social community beat the power of drugs. And you've got to wonder if that would be the case with human beings. You know, if everyone, I mean it's not possible right now in the world that we live in, but if everyone had a productive, happy, healthy life and was raised in a positive environment, how much less drug abuse and drug addiction would we have?
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It's a good question, because if it really is this horrible childhood that is causing a lot of people to seek these things out, but that's not my friend. My friend who got addicted, he wasn't from abuse like that. It was like a normal family. Everything was fine. It was him dealing with pain, and back pain is some of the worst pain. It's fucking debilitating.
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I mean, I've known multiple friends who've had back surgeries. When they're in pain, it's just like... Takes over everything like I've had knee surgery and you can kind of deal with knee pain It's like yeah, it sucks, but it's gonna get better.
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It'll be okay, but it's not your whole system It's just your knee the back feels like your whole being is hurt Yeah, that's it's a particular type of pain that people want relief from my buddy's dad was in the has been in the hospital and out of the hospital he's in his 80s now and
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God, that's such a horrible thing to hear. Do a surgery on someone who you know is going to die just to make the money off of it.
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It's the same with everything in the human race. Whenever it's incentivized by money, people don't go to what's best for people. They go to what's going to make them the most money. And that's the weird world that we find ourselves in with people defending that because their ideology opposes the opposite. Yeah. It's nuts. It's a weird, weird, weird fucking time.
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But listen, brother, I'm glad I met you. I'm glad you're out there. I'm glad you can speak about these things the way you can with so much information. You're so knowledgeable about it and you can pull it up at any moment. It's... It's a daunting task that you have, but I think your message has changed a lot of people's lives. I really do.
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I think there's a lot of people that recognize that between you and all these other people in the space, Peter Atiyah and Andrew Huberman and all these people, Dr. Rhonda Patrick, all these people talking about health and what you can do to improve and studies and all these things you can do to change the path that you're on. I think it's affected countless lives.
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Yes. Yeah, let's hope they keep doing it. And this Make America Healthy Again idea is one of the most promising political ideas I've heard in a long time because it's long overdue. There was a long time where they were denying that cigarettes caused cancer. They denied it as long as they could, and then eventually they couldn't deny it anymore.
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And I would hope that we would learn our lesson from all these other things they did, all these other things that they used to push, and now they realize they're dangerous, and they really regret that they did it, and people went along with it. Time has come. Time has come to change the way we approach food and health. I agree. Thank you.
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Well, it just goes back to that $8 billion. That $8 billion has an effect. I'm sure these journalists aren't sitting there watching this Senate hearing going, you know what? I'm outraged. I feel like these people are full of shit. I'm going to help the American people and write this piece criticizing it. No, they're probably being instructed.
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It's so weird that they've been able to do this for so long in such a shifty way. It really is. Because there should be laws against that. If there's laws against insider trading, how's there not laws against manipulating narratives in order to profit at the expense of people's health?
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Did you see the article that I put on my Instagram that they put in the Atlantic? Is it time to torch the Constitution? Did you see that? I did.
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Did anybody try to take the side of the pharmaceutical drug industry? Did anybody question you or try to push back?
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Same people. They're putting a narrative out there to the general public. They're like, whoa, he makes a good point. Maybe we should just give up all our power to Satan. Yeah. Literally, they're literally saying, should we torch the Constitution?
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And he probably barely knew, right? You consider how much information was available to your grandpa. I know. He just had sort of a nagging suspicion that it's all corrupt and crooked.
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Well, I think I understand your perspective. Your perspective is for chronically obese, like really morbidly obese people, we need to do something. And this is a very good step. And it does work. And it can help people. It is a very good step. I'm the hardcore discipline guy. I'm the like, what the fuck are you talking about? This is something that you can solve just by eating less.
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Something you can solve by cutting out sugar, cutting out sodas, cutting out eating whole ingredient foods, eating fish and chicken and red meat and vegetables and cutting out all the bullshit.
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That's real. That's a real thing that you can do. However, if you're 600 pounds, if you've gone so far down the wrong road, you need a hand.
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But it's not as profitable. Yeah, that's the real problem. And the advertisements about that, they seem to me the same advertisement. It's the same feeling I get when I see advertising about giving babies COVID vaccines. Like, what the fuck are you talking about? Like, you're just trying to make money. You're not trying to protect babies from COVID. That's fucking nonsense.
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It's not a problem with them. It's just not. It's just statistically not an issue. It's certainly not an issue for you to be promoting this potentially dangerous, dangerous remedy.
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No question. There's been proven studies that show that SSRIs aren't as effective as exercise by a large measurable amount. Like exercise is more effective at curing depression and treating depression than SSRIs. That's a fact. Yep. But, you know, you can't make money off of someone running around this block unless you sell them sneakers. Yeah.
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You can only sell one pair of sneakers like every six months.
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I want to talk about you, because one of the things that's interesting about this is like, You were unhealthy at one point in time and you were overweight and this is how you kind of started this journey. And maybe a lot of people aren't aware of that. Yeah. Like you weren't, you had to learn all this stuff and you had to learn all this stuff through your own personal health crisis. Yeah.
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So when you did this, how much time did it take overall from the original nutrition intervention to hormone optimization? How much time are we talking about?
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Do you think that the reason why they make it very difficult to get hormone optimization is because if more people get hormone optimization, more people are not on these medications?
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I like how you had your guts there. But, I mean, that's all highlighted in that Netflix documentary that Peter Berg made about the Sackler family, which is –
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Not documentary which called docudrama series that fucking series is so enraging and after that you know that one guy that they Kept in a hotel room for like two days of the FDA who knows what they did for that guy to that guy What the fuck did they do to him where they got him to approve that they found that guy?
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
That guy was in a small town in New Hampshire, and they ostracized him people were just The sheriff was like trying to highlight how many people in the community had died of opioid overdose and how much blood was on his hands. Well, he took a job with the Sacklers.
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Oh, my God. Jamie, pull up that tweet that I sent you from Jay Bhattacharya. So Michael Pollan, he's highlighted the dangers of pesticides. The USDA funded a PR organization that worked with agricultural interests to downplay the harms of pesticides in farming and to compile defamatory dossiers on opponents of pesticide use. including food writer Michael Pollan.
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Just imagine that the USDA spends money to defame people. Using your tax dollars, spends money to defame people that are trying to tell you that there's poison in your food. Measurable amounts, something along the lines of 90 plus percent of Americans have food roundup in their system. They have glyphosate in their system from crops.
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Revealed, the U.S. government's funded private social network attacking pesticide critics. So what does it say about this? 2017, two United Nations experts called for a treaty to strictly regulate dangerous pesticides, which they said were a global human rights concern. Which, by the way, Roundup is illegal in a lot of countries.
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Citing scientific research showing pesticides can cause cancers, Parkinson's disease, Alzheimer's, and other health problems. Publicly, the pesticide industry's lead trade association dubbed the recommendations unfounded and sensational assertions.
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Look what it says here. Publicly, the pesticide industry's lead trade association dubbed the recommendations unfounded social assertions, and private industry advocates have gone further. Derogatory profiles of the two UN experts, Hilal Elver and Baskat Tansak, are hosted on an online private portal for pesticide company employees and a range of influential allies.
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Members can access a wide range of personal information about hundreds of individuals from around the world deemed a threat to industry interests, including the U.S. food writers Michael Pollan and Mark Brittman, the Indian environmentalist Vandana Shiva, and the Nigerian activist, you say that one, How do you say that? How do you think you say that name?
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Nemo Bossy. Many profiles include personal details such as the names of family members, phone numbers, home addresses, even house values. The profiling is part of an effort which is financed in part by U.S.
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taxpayer dollars to downplay pesticide dangers, discredit opponents, and undermine international policymaking according to court records, emails, and other documents obtained by the non-profit newsroom Lighthouse Reports.
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It corroborated with The Guardian, The New Lead, Le Monde, Africa Uncensored, and Australian Broadcast Corporation and other international media partners on the publication of this investigation. The efforts were spearheaded by a reputation management firm in Missouri called VFluence.
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The company provides services that it describes as intelligence gathering, proprietary data mining, and risk communications. The revelations demonstrate how industry advocates have established a private social network to counter resistance to pesticides and genetically modified crops in Africa, Europe, and parts of the world, while also denigrating organic and other alternative farming methods.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
No, that's unfounded. That's an unfounded assertion. More than 30 current government officials are on the membership list, most of whom are from the U.S. Department of Agriculture. This is so crazy. It's so crazy that this is so blatant.
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$8 billion a year just in advertisement. Imagine how much they're making so that they can afford $8 billion just in advertising.
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They're insiders from their space and they know. The only way it's going to affect people is these viral video clips have to go online and people have to share them on Facebook and Instagram and Twitter. Thank God they can, you know, because who knows if the government could clamp down on it the way they have in other countries. Other countries have severely clamped down.
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And there's been some real issues in America, but America still is the best place to distribute information. I mean, X is banned in Brazil right now. There's a lot of shenanigans going on all throughout the world where people are trying to control narratives. And it's fucking spooky. It's spooky.
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Well, it wasn't for you. You know how banged up I'd be, dude? How many times you've helped me with stem cells? I, you know, I talk about it all the time, but I know there's a gentleman that I'm friends with that I've just been talking to who's going, he's about to go to a disc rehearsal. He's getting his discs fused. And I'm like, Jesus, have you looked into other options?
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Have you looked into stem cells? I mean, you could go to Tijuana, and I know those guys at the CPI have treated many people, including my friend Shane Dorian. He had fantastic results. My friend Tom Land in Utah as well. He went down there and got his spine injected. Fantastic results.
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You're very, very good about that. I think that's very important to say, that you're not a competitor of these people. You feel like there's more than enough for everybody, and you're more than happy that these people are around.
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A lot of these doctors, unfortunately, are ignorant as to all these other remedies that are effective.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
But I think it's also what I was saying that a lot of these doctors aren't aware that this stuff works. I told you about my shoulder injury. When I went to the doctor, he told me, you are going to have to have surgery. You're going to have to bite the bullet one day and have surgery. And I was like, shit.
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He goes, you could try other things and it might help you for a little while, but you're going to have to have surgery. The only thing that gave him pause is when he did the strength tests with me, where he pushed down on my arm and did all that kind of shit. But I just think that's because the muscle around the damaged joint was strong. And so he was like, well, you know, you're pretty functional.
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He goes, the MRI, you shouldn't be able to do all this stuff according to your MRI.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Yeah, well, kudos to Aaron because the team doctor was trying to tell him to avoid all that stuff, including stem cells.
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It's just nuts. And I think the doctors aren't doing it because they're bad people. I think they don't know. I think they don't have time to do the deep dives. Most doctors, how much peer reviewed literature do you think most doctors who are in orthopedic surgeons who are in practice, how much are they absorbing?
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How much time do they have between malpractice insurance, between medical school bills that they're in debt with, between the overhead that they have to run their practice? I mean, they have to get people in and out of the office quickly. Yeah.
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But all this takes time. Correct. This is the issue. If you want to move people in and out of the office, all this takes time. One of the things that you guys do at Waste to Well is you do comprehensive blood analysis. When I sit down with Denise, my eyes glaze over and it's my body. It's like, God, there's so many details to cover. There's so many things.
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But by following those directions, I've noticed a giant difference in my overall health. It's amazing. It is amazing, and it's unfortunate that this kind of resource is not available to more people, where more people don't have access to a doctor that's going to look at them comprehensively, look at their whole body.
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If you're going to take care of your yard, if you're trying to grow plants in your yard, and your trees are all dying, your vegetables weren't growing, if you have the resources, you can go to a botanist. Or you could go to someone who understands farming, someone who's a scientist, and you could say, what's wrong? And they could do soil analysis. My friend Steve actually did this.
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He was trying to put a garden in his house in Brooklyn. And they found that leaded gasoline from all those years, from the 1960s, all those years where they used leaded gasoline in Brooklyn because it's polluted, all that shit had gotten so deep in the soil That his backyard was contaminated with leaded gasoline. And so you have to do a detox on the backyard.
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So there's certain plants that you can plant that can help in that process. There's certain treatments to the soil that can help in that process. Why aren't we doing that with the body?
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I never thought about that in terms of guns, like shooting guns. When you shoot guns, if you go to a range and shoot guns, how much toxic chemicals are you absorbing?
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Yeah. Think about all the things that they breathe in that are on fire. I mean, look at how many veterans have suffered because of burn pits. Yep. Which is an insane thing that they did. They said, oh, we have all this garbage. What's the most cost-effective way to get rid of it? Let's make a massive fire that runs 24 hours a day and throw tires in it, fucking plastic, everything.
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Whatever the fuck you got laying around, throw it in that burn pit. Oh, and when the wind blows and that shit goes straight through camp, that's what everybody's breathing. And who knows how many people develop cancer because of that? I know multiple people that I know personally that have developed severe illnesses and even died because of that.
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Didn't he develop? I think he developed a disease that was theorized that it came from burn pits. Oh, I don't know. See if you find that. I believe that's true. I believe he served... It wasn't meth? No, that was the other son. One son was the good guy. Biden addresses possible link between son's fatal brain cancer and toxic military burn pits. Isn't that insane? His own son.
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So he couldn't even protect his own son. I mean, he's a powerful politician.
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There's a lot of people that vehemently disagree with a lot of this stuff. And there's a lot of people online, like the people that write the articles, the woo-woo stuff. They just don't know. There's no way they actually knew what was going on in a comprehensive way and would still write those articles. You would have to be evil.
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I don't think those people that are writing those articles are evil. I think they're doing a job, and I think they're being directed, and I think they're being directed by people that have a vested interest in this information, just like we talked about with that USDA thing. They have a vested interest in this information being dismissed. And there's money behind it.
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It's just the problem is Trump as a person. People just react to him in the most negative way. Yeah. And they are fully convinced that all of his negative character traits, all these negative things are unbefitting to a president and therefore he shouldn't be president. Yeah. I think anybody who wants to be president is fucking insane. They're all insane.
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I think it's just like kind of everybody else that's a leader in almost every industry. I think they're insane people. I don't think you get to the top of any heap unless you're out of your fucking mind. And you could be out of your mind in a vicious – sort of demeaning, attacking all your enemies way like Trump is.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
And it's still the same drive is what led that guy to deal with this shit for four years where they were trying to put him in jail so that he doesn't run again and still run again. And they try to kill him twice and he's still running. It's like you... I mean, I don't know...
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
And my point is the only way you get someone who's not affected by that is you have to have an insane person. It's literally the best tool for the job because everybody else. All the different – the 34 counts which were not felonies, which they upgraded from a misdemeanor which passed the statute of limitations, all of them were bookkeeping errors or mislabeling things, which is illegal.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
They're minor offenses that would not get anybody prosecuted legally. Much less put in fucking jail. Real potential for him being in jail. And people want him to put him in jail. They want to put him in jail for a long fucking time. And it's crazy. You're doing it at the same time where ICE admits that. What are the numbers of murderers and convicted criminals that have made it into this country?
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
It's something bananas. And this is just verified. This is verified data.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
do you know what it is jamie because i could find it because somebody somebody sent it to me and i i literally couldn't believe it's real so i'll send it to you and you can find out if it is real because if it's true it's bananas and the the just the sheer numbers they're scary these are scary numbers man it's like no one thinks this is a problem and i'm not i'm look i am the product of immigration my grandparents came here at a time where it was very easy to come here
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
And I just sent you a screenshot, see if you can find out if it's true. It was very easy to come here, and a lot of people who came here were criminals. Look, a lot of people in my family were criminals. They were Italians in the 1920s. My grandmother went to jail. When I was a kid, my grandmother went to jail for bookmaking.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
My grandmother's sister murdered her husband. So, yeah, I grew up. These are wild people. These are people that came over on a fucking boat before YouTube. They didn't even know what it was like over here. They took a chance. They took a chance. So I am completely sympathetic to immigrants, but you can't let in fucking gang members. Okay, there's got to be some kind of screening.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
You get great perks like the Mastercraft Weapon Collection and the Gobble Gum Pack for Zombies. Call of Duty Black Ops 6 pre-order now. People are in the pit of despair.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
You want to make it easier to get in for people that are hardworking, people that just want a better job? I'm with you. I'm with you. Just make it easier for them to get in. Make it easier for the people that have been here for 20 years to become citizens. Make yes. I know people. I know a kid who was – she's 28 now. She was born in America.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
But her – no, she was born in Mexico, but her parents brought her over here when she was a baby. So she doesn't speak Spanish. She has been in America her whole fucking life, and she's not an American citizen. So she can't vote. She's limited in the kind of jobs she can do. It's fucking weird. It's weird that we do that.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
But yet my grandparents just came over on a boat and fucking – they write a piece of paper and they're in. It's nuts. Yeah. We should have a screening process to keep evil people out. That's it. Everyone else. Look, you imagine if you're born in Guatemala, wouldn't you want to come over here and get a job as a landscaper? Fuck, you could make 600 bucks a week, 700 bucks a week. Oh, my God.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
And then you live in a family in a house with a bunch of people, which are used to doing anyway. And then someone branches off and makes their own business. And all of a sudden you're living the American dream. This is what we all want for everybody. There's enough for everybody. But you can't let in murderers. This is crazy. And you can't let them in and ship them to swing states.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
It's just so in your face. Ship them to swing states, and then there's all this talk now of amnesty for all the people that came in. I'm all for amnesty for the people that have been here their whole life, like this girl that I know, who's 28 years old now. I'm all for that. Yeah. Yeah, that makes no sense. She should be American. She's a fucking American.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
She pays sales tax and all this other tax. Yeah, yeah, those people. But there should be some sort of a screening process. You know, if you're in fucking gangs that bring in fentanyl, hey, maybe we should let that guy in. And this is the whole idea of having borders in the first place. And what's shocking... is if you try to come here legally, it's very difficult.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
I've had friends from Canada, like comedians from Canada that want to move to America. It's a long fucking process to become an American citizen. It's difficult. And you have to do homework. You've got to answer tests. But if you just walk in, they'll give you money, they'll house you, they'll give you an EBT card, they'll give you food stamps. What the fuck are we doing?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Well, we must be doing something. So it's either one of two things. Either we want cheap labor, and this is what Tim Dillon thinks. He thinks that the cheap labor market for construction and all these jobs that most people don't want to do anymore, it's falling off a cliff. And the best way to sustain those industries is to bring in cheap labor.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
And the best way to do that is to bring in migrant workers. Because they're willing to do jobs that a lot of people won't. And this is the positive side of like Springfield, Ohio, where people talk about the Haitians that moved there. The people that employ these Haitians say these people are hard workers. They're so happy to be here. They want the American dream. That's great.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
That's what we want. We want more of that. That's all good. But... You can't make it insanely difficult for a college educated person from Norway to move here because they want to do literally like when Chamath was on, he explained that when he was over here going through his visa process, they had to show that he was doing something that an American couldn't do.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
You have to be someone of exceptional skill. Oh, that's wild. A very difficult person to find. Yeah. And then you could get a passport. I mean, you can get a green card and eventually become a U.S. citizen. But it's a long process and a difficult process because every year where you go to get your visa renewed, you're at the whim of this person. Who knows if they had a bad day?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Who knows if their fucking wife just started fucking the mailman and they found out about it and she drained their bank account? And he's like, fuck you. Go back to Canada. They can do that to you. They can do that to you at a whim. But if you walk in, Nancy Pelosi wants you to get amnesty.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
It's difficult for them to acquire. It's difficult. So let's see what it says here. Department of Homeland Security Spokesperson Turd Newsweek. The data in this letter is being misinterpreted. The data goes back decades. It includes individuals who entered the country over the past 40 years or more, the vast majority of whose custody determination was made long before this administration.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
If there was a real easy way out – Like, if there really was a pill with no side effects that cured all your ails, sure, people would want that. And this is the problem. The advertising, that $8 billion a year, it leads you to believe that there is some sort of a solution in the bottom of a prescription bottle. Yep. And that's not real.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Okay, so, but you are still saying that those people are here, right? noted that his letter that ICE is bound by statutory requirements not to release certain non-citizens from its custody during the pendency of removal proceedings. He added that most non-citizens who are convicted of homicide are typically not eligible for release from ICE custody.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
They're like, listen, if you fucking kill people, if you're an illegal alien and you sneak across the border and you kill Americans, how about nobody's eligible for release? How about that? Let's just start with that.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Bill, we have so much money for Ukraine. It may be shocking to hear the Biden-Harris administration is actively releasing tens of thousands of criminal illegal aliens into our communities, but their own numbers conclusively prove this to be the case. This defies all common sense, read a statement. Newsweek has contacted the Harris campaign for comment via email outside of standard working hours.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Uh-huh. What does that mean? What is standard working hours? Oh, that's why they didn't get back to them? It was outside of standard working hours. The email arrived at 5.15. Put that back up again. Department of Homeland Security spokesperson told Newsweek the date in this letter is... This is the one that says... So this is a Department of Homeland Security spokesperson says it's being misused.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Scroll that down. Scroll that down a little bit further. See what it says there? Congressional Republicans voted against them twice. Democratic presidential candidate added, we took executive action to reduce unlawful border crossings. See, this is the thing that gets weird.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
It's like, you know, they say that Trump, the Biden administration is trying to say that Trump blocked some sort of border wall bill because he wanted it to be something that he could campaign against. So he instructed the Republicans to vote against it. There's so much that kind of fuckery. I don't know if that's true or not, but it's the possibility of that being on the table.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
I'm not accusing anyone of doing that, but imagine a world where a person could conspire, and I'm not saying they did, but a person could conspire to make something happen because that would be something that they could campaign against. Look what you did. And that's how dirty this game is. That's why nobody wants to do it, unless you're fucking crazy. Unless you're crazy like Trump.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
And he just weeds. He sent Mark Cuban a letter when Mark Cuban's television show failed in like 2004 or whatever the fuck it was. And someone posted it on Instagram today. See if you can find it, Jamie. But it's so petty. It's so petty, and the fact that he signed it and sent it to him. It took time out of his day to have someone draft a letter. Probably didn't type it himself.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Have someone draft the letter and send it to Mark Cuban in the mail. But it takes that kind of a person to literally make their way through the system. The only way you get through all these attacks. And we've seen the full force of it. It's like we've seen all the orcs that were hiding in the forest. They all came out to attack.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
That's the problem, is that they've been misled so long and for... so far down the line, and here they are, chronically ill, suffering, and they're hoping it's the next pill.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
This is from 2004. Mr. Mark Cuban. Dear Mark, I'm truly sorry to hear that your show has been canceled for lack of ratings. When I initially called you to congratulate you on The Benefactor, little did you or I realize how disastrous and embarrassing it would turn out for you. If you ever decide to do another show, please call me and I'll be happy to lend a helping hand.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
But what a crazy backhanded... Why? I don't understand. I mean, what beef? They must have some kind of beef. They've had a long beef. What is the beef about? The guy's hilarious. That is hilarious. It's hilarious that he takes time out of his day. Yeah. Not just like say, good, fuck that guy. That show got canceled. Takes time out of his day to write like... A conciliatory. I'm sorry.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Sorry this happened to you, man. Yeah. You fucking loser. Like, he literally writes it in there. The whole thing is wild.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Yes, and I think it will, and especially in today's day, I've seen so many videos sent me of your testimony, and I've had them recommended to me on Instagram, too, from accounts I don't even follow. So it's getting around. But I think... What's also interesting is that social chaos, it unveils things. It unveils things about human beings.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
And that is one of the benefits of having a guy that you can decide is Hitler. Like even though half the country loves him. Half the country loves that dude. Maybe more than half the country now. There's a lot of silent loves that guy people. Because they realize like there's not a lot of other options out of this other than a fucking crazy person who would write Mark Cuban a letter like that.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
And you might need to be insane in a way that you or I would find distasteful.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
You were genuinely shook by it, but what I told you is the truth. Nobody cares. Don't read it. Nobody cares. Don't read anything about yourself, even good things. Nobody cares. People know what the fuck is going on. They get to hear you talk in forms like this. They get to hear you actually talk and lay it out. They know who the fuck you are. All this is all just noise.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
But the good thing about this kind of noise, this social chaos, is that it unveils all this corruption. It unveils the orcs that are hiding in the forest. You see it. And I am convinced... If they know the efficacy of foreign countries using social media bots to attack people, they know that that works. They know that that shifts narratives, especially for people that are sitting on the fence.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
They know all that stuff works. If you don't think that there's companies in America that we're not aware of that organize social media campaigns and have bots attack certain individuals like yourself... for having a dangerous narrative. If you don't think that, you're crazy. You're naive.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
They don't care. This is just about money and just about justifying the things that you're saying, the narratives that you're pushing to try to get that money. If they came out with an article saying,
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
If someone did a peer-reviewed study that showed that if you drink exactly 13 glasses of water a day, you never get sick and you never get cancer, there would be articles the next day saying if everyone drinks 13 glasses of water a day, there'll be no water for black people and people of color and indigenous people.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
The trans people would die of dehydration and the wells would dry up and then the crops and we're not going to have food and there's a lot of impoverished people. You don't need 13 glasses of water a day. There would be some sort of a justification.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
If you came up with some sort of a diet that you could follow and everyone would live to be 150, there would be an article about how dangerous it is to tell people to stay healthy. Because if we all live to be 150, the resources will all be doubled up.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
And don't you think there's a way that companies can do this and make money in an ethical way?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
It's going to replace a lot of things. And anybody denying the efficacy of AI at this point is ignorant. You have to be ignorant, willfully. You have to be willfully ignorant because they have used AI right now to diagnose diseases that people miss. They believe that AI is going to allow to assess breast cancer in a much more effective way because it can do something with visuals that,
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
You know, human beings can't see with the naked eye because you're detecting things. AI is going to be able to have a much, much higher percentage of a chance of catching that cancer.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
This is how crazy the world is that something that straightforward, the way you laid it out so brilliantly, someone could label that as bad or woo or woo-woo.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
That's why it's so fascinating about ideal. That's what's so fascinating about ideological capture, that the thing that you would think would be one thing we could all agree on. We should all be healthy. That that would get attacked. And that it would be more cost effective. You could use technology and you have a much more comprehensive understanding of your health. And that gets attacked.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
That's how upside down things are. And there's people that if they think it... Helps their their career or it helps them in in journalism. It helps them get more. They will be the attack dog. They'll be the attack dog and go after someone with about as straightforward a message as you can get. Yeah.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
You know, it's not like anything else. Addiction to gambling is like you can stop going to the casino. Yeah. But addiction to food is like you have to eat food. So every day you're testing your will. Yeah. Every day in a profound way that if you stay out of the casino, you're not, you know, like he's not being tempted.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
But you have imagine if you were a gambling addict, but you had to make three bets a day. Yeah. What? You're a food addict, but you have to eat three meals a day. That's fucking insane.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
What you're saying is so straightforward and so beneficial to everyone across the board. If there's anything that you would want in life, like, have you ever been sick, real sick? And you're like, God damn, I can't wait to be better again. It doesn't matter if you're rich. It doesn't matter if you're happily married. You love your job.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
A lot of people don't, but some people actually do. They actually do realize at that moment, like, I can't let this happen again. Like, whatever I did to my immune system, pulling all-nighters, working at the job fucking 16 hours a day, and then you get, like, a horrible flu and you're bedridden for two weeks. Yep. During that time, the one thing you want more than anything is to be healthy.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
You ask a healthy person what they want, they give you a thousand things. You ask a sick person what they want, they want to be well. They want to be well. If you told a person who's worth, like, Bill Gates money, if you said to Bill Gates, hey, you know, you could have the flu for the rest of your life and keep all that money, or give it all up.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
You're going to have to start from scratch, but you'll be healthy.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
How much of an effort has been put forth after the whole Sackler family crisis and the opioid crisis to to mitigate the amount of these things that are prescribed?
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Like, how do you even clean this up? You ever see those hoarder shows? You're like, what the fuck do you do with all this? It's almost like us. And the opioid crisis thing, the really scary thing is we're propping up cartels. We're propping up really vicious people that are criminals. They have to be vicious. That's how you get ahead in that world.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
There's no rules when you're in organized crime and you kill a lot of people. And that's what you prop up when you have drugs illegal, but now if you have drugs legal, If you just have – I mean this is a dilemma as well, right? Because if you just had legal drugs, everything was legal. How long would it take before people figured out to not do cocaine?
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
How long – if you could just get cocaine the same way you can get Coca-Cola, how weird would that be?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Get America healthy. Anybody would be opposed to that. That's, I think, also a real problem with liberals during this election. The concept of make America healthy again is so bipartisan and so universal and so clear. And the fact that the Republicans are running with it. They're so mad. That should have been something the Democrats... The Democrats used to be anti-poison.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
The left used to be anti-corporations dumping pollution in the waters. They were against big corporation. They were pro-free speech. They were against censorship. They were pro-reasonable discourse. They weren't... about censoring people and that everything's just gone so topsy-turvy to have the left be against a movement. What you should be saying is, yeah, fuck Trump, but...
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
This Make America Healthy Again thing, it's a good idea, and we should probably do it too. We should probably just steal their idea. We should probably say, whatever you guys are going to do, we're going to do it too, but we're going to be a better president, so go with us. If they were smart, that's what they would do. People, oh, you stole that idea from Trump. She should say, yeah, I stole it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
It's a good idea. I like good ideas. I'm not dogmatic. Show me a good idea, I'll accept it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
I mean, especially, you know, what they did to Peter McCullough. Peter McCullough is the most published doctor in his field in human history.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
He's not a quack. Jay Bhattacharya, he's a professor at Stanford. Right? Isn't that where he is? What? These are the fucking actual experts. These are the real experts. Like, you guys are out of your fucking minds. And you're saying this is misinformation? But the problem is misinformation is like, you know, label it homophobe, transphobe, misogynist.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Once they look racist, once they get you, they put that on you, misinformation. You spread misinformation. Yeah. You're like, what? What misinformation? Tell me what wasn't true.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Most certainly. I'm sure. And you probably got attacked anyway once they realized that it was gaining momentum. It's very creepy. And I wonder like at what level they can manipulate things at Google and at YouTube. I mean, there's a level that they can actively suppress videos and they can actively suppress social media accounts and social media posts.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
You know, when my special was going to go live on Instagram or on Netflix, rather on Instagram, Cam Haines put a thing in his story saying that it was going to go live. And they said that he couldn't mention me. He wasn't allowed to mention me. He wasn't allowed to mention me. Yeah. I forget what the label was.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
So someone has their clause in Meta that's able to suppress information. Someone has their clause in YouTube. Someone has their clause. And you could use whatever label. You could say the advertisers don't want to advertise on this because it's a controversial subject and that's the problem. Okay, if that's all it is. But then it should still get a lot of views.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
So if you want to withhold advertising... But the views are substantial. That means that it's really being shared in a normal way with something so outrageous and something that gains that much momentum that quickly. It doesn't make sense that Peter's out that quick. It was too profound. It resonated with too many people.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
That's the hard pill for people to swallow, diet, lifestyle, and nutrition. It's very hard for people who are addicted to shitty food, who are lazy, who don't have a history of exercise, and their lifestyle sucks, and they get home from work and they like to drink.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
But they're smart in that all they need is one or two articles in a respected publication to cite, to point towards the fact that this is misinformation. And someone from whatever organization would look at that and gloss over it. We'll suppress that.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Also, the people that work in the FDA, if you've been working in the FDA for four years, how much of a dent do you think you could put in the momentum of the machine that's behind you? What are you going to do? You're going to stick your neck out? You're going to get it chopped off. You're not going to move up the corporate ladder. It's not set up that way.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
And that's just the reality of being a human being. And you go, hey, I do my best. Most of those people are like most people. They're good people. Most people in all walks of life are good people. But sometimes good people do bad things because they can or because they have to.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
So it doesn't even incentivize innovation. Correct. That's crazy, especially with something like replacement joints, which you would hope... I mean, they've gotten a lot better at that. How many people do you know that have had hip replacements? I know a bunch. Yeah, a lot. I know a bunch. Yeah. And it's like they're walking around, like, quick.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Graham Hancock came in here six weeks after his hip replacement.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
And, you know, he's 150,000 years old. Yeah. According to his aging. Everything's older with him. That's funny. No. I mean, Graham's got to be in his 70s, right? And back then, I'm not sure how old he was. This was back when we were in L.A. But he was walking around six weeks later. Fine. No limp. Nothing. I mean, it's extraordinary what they can do now. It's amazing.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Okay. I do not. There's a real crisis in California with home insurance. Pull up the home insurance crisis. Home insurance is sky high, and particularly in areas where they have wildfires because they lose so much. You know, where I used to live in California, I was evacuated three times.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Yeah. And the last time, my kids were real little, and we went in the middle of the night. We had to take off at 2 o'clock in the morning. The fire was coming over the hill that was maybe 200 yards from us.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Insurance keep dropping California homeowners. Changes are in the works to try to stop their cherry picking. So they don't want to insure houses that are likely going to burn or going to fall off of a fucking hill. I remember I was watching this news special about Malibu, and there was a mudslide in Malibu, like a landslide.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
So these people, they parked these fucking $5 million houses on stilts on the side of a hill. Like, hey, why do you think the side of the hill varies so much? Do you think maybe it moves? Do you think maybe over time shit fucking comes down? It's not like a smooth skateboarding slope. No, it's an unpredictable mass of land that's affected by years and years of drought.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
So when you get drought, you don't have plant growth. You have no plant growth. You get more erosion because there's no root systems. And then chunks of this fucking hill were falling off. And these people were in the middle of the night. They heard cracking. as their house was breaking apart in the middle of the night.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Their house started breaking apart and falling down the hill, and they got out just in time. It was crazy. The guy was like, I just heard cracking. I thought someone was breaking in. Then we got up, and we didn't know what was going on. His house was cracking.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
There's a lot of claims with wildfires. There's not that many claims with landslides, but this is one that was like... California has some real natural disaster problems, and the big one happens every 20, 30 years and hasn't happened since 93? The earthquake thing. Yeah, that fucking thing that happens over there all the time where everything fucking shakes and houses fall down and...
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
like highways pancake. The first time I ever came to Hollywood, I was doing this thing for MTV and I came out here right after the earthquakes in 93. And I was like, this is nuts, man. I remember driving by a highway that had collapsed on another highway. It was like right afterwards.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
The biggest one I've ever been in was a small one. It was like a 5.5, and they said it was actually an aftershock of the Northridge earthquake. But it was right after I moved to L.A. So it was like 94. I was sitting in my apartment. And all of a sudden, my apartment moved like a refrigerator box.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
You know, if you're a kid, you'd play, like someone got a new refrigerator, your kids would play in the box and fuck around, make a little hut out of it. Yeah, yeah. You know, carve little windows out of it and shit. It was like that. The whole apartment moved like that. It wasn't even any noise. It was just the shaking of the building. But it seemed so flimsy. That's all I could remember.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
I remember being like, oh, my God, I thought you guys were tougher than this. Like I thought the house was tougher. I thought it was in a building. I thought it was in an apartment building. It was a two-story apartment complex. It just went like this. Yeah. And then it stopped. And I remember going, I got to get the fuck out of here. I can't live in this place.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
And I was just like, this is scary. Like, scary. Well, and then tsunamis, the real scary thing, man. Phew. Those videos of the Fukushima tsunami where people saw it coming and they're trying to get away. Those are horrifying.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Somehow or another animals know. When tsunamis happen, all the animals go to seek high ground. Okay, what is that? What is that? It's crazy. Someone should fucking study that. They're getting some kind of information. Some message from the universe is telling them to go to high ground. How?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Dude, you're so alive. You're so alive in the mountains. I went elk hunting, and I got successful on the second day, which you can't pass up. It just was a perfect scenario, and I got successful. But I wanted to keep going. I wanted to stay out there. When you're out there, just the physical act of being in the woods is like a vitamin that you don't know you need until you get it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Somebody called it the woo-woo. Yeah, I saw that. Let's dive in. First of all, fuck you, whoever wrote that, because there's nothing woo-woo about anything you guys were saying. That's what's really crazy. To say that toxic chemicals that are illegal in other countries but are legal in the United States, and there's a reason why they're illegal.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
You're like, oh, I need this vitamin. Yeah. That's what I was saying, like a wildlife photographer. That'd be the dopest job ever. You're just in the wilderness photographing wildlife.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Should we torch the Constitution? The Atlantic thinks maybe we should torch the Constitution. It's like, why? Well, you know, it's all these interests. And I think the social chaos aspect of today, this is what I find interesting because I think it forces these kind of conversations. It forces people to deal with these problems. It forces it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Instead of like this healthcare issue being this insidious, never talked about thing that slowly crept up and just became ingrained in society to the point where everybody just accepted it. Instead of that, You have this rebellion, and you do have this Make America Healthy Again movement, which everyone should embrace, but yet it becomes ideologically captured by the right somehow.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
And if you are with that, if you think, hey, that's a great idea those guys have. I know they suck when it comes to women's right to choose. They suck when it comes to whatever, fill in the blanks. But I like what they're saying about this. Yeah. We're so lost in this team thing that is ingrained in our fucking DNA, and they play us with it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
They play us with it because we have these undeniable tribal instincts. It's just like when you roll a ball of yarn past a kitten. They can't help it. They got to jump on it. They have these instincts.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
The problem is ideologies. The real problem is tribal thinking. Because everyone should just embrace this and think this is really a good idea. But the fact that it's been attached to one political party, it makes it a problem for the people in the other political party. And that's what's nuts about us. Even things that are universally good, that everyone should strive for. Better health.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
I've seen articles written that people that go to the gym are more likely to be right-wing. Like, what are you talking about?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
You could find all the different things that they do to the body, all the different damage they cause. To say that that's woo-woo is so crazy. Like, what did they list as an example of woo-woo?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
All this is true. But what I'm saying is that just the concept of getting all these things out of our food supply, making people healthy, getting people off of all these prescription drugs, making people more metabolically healthy. We're so stupid with our tribal shit that just that concept has been pushed into the realm of right wing. You got it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
If you're that, you're a MAGA person, you're this, you're a fucking, you're a loon. Yeah. It's so dumb. And it's the thing about going to gyms, being right wing. I've seen multiple articles written about going to gyms, being right wing. Have you ever been in a fucking yoga class? Okay? Yoga is one of the hardest things to do. They're some of the most left-wing motherfuckers on earth.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
They're nice, kind people who bust their ass in a 90-minute hot yoga class. That's fucking hard to do. It challenges your character. Okay? The idea that, like, the only people that exercise are right-wing... That is so dumb. That's so limiting and so stupid and such a ridiculous way to think. You should want to be stronger. Everybody should want to be stronger. You know why? Because it's good.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
I like that I can pick things up. I like that if someone in my house needs something open, they give it to me and I can just open that motherfucker. I like that. I like that I can carry things.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
But it is a thing now. And that's the problem. It's been effective. It's like many other things. It's effective until people wake the fuck up. That's the thing. You know, there's not a lot of people going out getting COVID vaccines now. You got to be a true believer to go running out. It doesn't mean they're not still trying to sell it. I was watching the Beetlejuice movie the other day.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
So in the beginning of the Beetlejuice movie, they play all these fucking cool previews. Oh, that's coming out. That looks fun. And then they have a John Legend COVID vaccine commercial where he talks about how he's, I'll protect myself from COVID while he's fucking playing the piano. And he, like, rolls down his sleeve to show you a fucking Band-Aid. You're like, what did you do?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
it's not you could throw a diet coke and kill them you know like it's not like they're they're already at a deficit and they we're trying to help people not be at a deficit let's get people back to normal we just have to change the way people think about things we have to change this ridiculous idea that your health care provider knows everything they don't your general practitioner he doesn't there's no way and that's one of the things that um you
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Casey Means has talked about how little nutrition information she got in college, which is really nuts. But that's just the fact of the matter. That's just really what it is. And also, most of those people are also unhealthy themselves. We just have to stop thinking about it as a right-wing or a left-wing thing. It's dumb and it's dangerous. It's bad for you.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
And I know it's hard to change your fucking – people are like battleships. It's hard to change course. It's fucking hard.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Which is why they're trying to stop telemedicine. Yeah. Exactly. It's not for you. It's not good. And it shouldn't be legal. And that's where I believe in government oversight. There should be like an actual government person who can never get a job with any of these organizations, never get a job.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
It should be like if you agree to take this job on, you'll be well compensated, but you will never be able to work for pharmaceutical drug companies ever.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Just think about what you said about war. Think about what you said about the American people, how many die from chronic disease every year. And think about how much money we have spent on a war that we're not even in. I mean, what was the overall, what's the latest? Didn't they just send another few billion? A little bit here, a little bit there.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
I mean, I wonder how much they set aside for those people in North Carolina and Tennessee from that hurricane. Because those people are fucked. A lot of people are dead, man. I was reading this account. It was a horrific account of these people, grandparents and a child that were on a roof. And it was before the roof swept away, the building swept away and they drowned.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
But there's a photograph of the last photograph of them on the roof. And they're terrified. And this little girl and her grandparents are on this roof. And the water is everywhere. I mean, there's so many washed out streets and so many washed out bridges and the roads are gone. Have you seen some of the aerial photographs? I have. It's terrible. It's terrible.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Houses floating down the street in Asheville, North Carolina. Just floating down the street. And how much relief are they going to get? Is it going to be like Maui where you give them $700? Which is the most—that's more insulting than giving them no money. A one-time fee of $700, you lost your house in the most catastrophic wildfire in the history of North America.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Are you going to give them $700 each? But you're going to give Ukraine $170-whatever billion?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
That's very valuable land if everybody defaults. And not only that, but the governor was on record – give a speech like right after the fire. And one of the things they talked about was the state taking that land, which is an insane thing to do, right? Was it the mayor? Who was it that said that? Was it the mayor or the governor?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
But it was just the fact that they said it out loud is so insane in the wake of these people suffering this catastrophic loss. They didn't even know how many people were dead at that time. People were just missing, kids missing, burnt alive. Who knows how many people died? I don't even think they have an accurate count right now of how many people died.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
But it's just stunning that people are willing to whore themselves out to write a hit piece on someone trying to help human beings find healthier choices and realize the root cause of all the diseases that we're facing.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
This is crazy. I know. This is crazy that they're saying. Now, think about allocating that kind of money towards health care. 102, the death toll from the deadliest wildfire in over a century has risen to 102. Yeah, but what I asked you is what did the governor say about acquiring the land, not the death toll? Yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
I don't think – I think 102 is the current estimate, but I think there's a lot of people missing.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Dave Smith was explaining it to me. I don't really – I don't know. I haven't researched it. I haven't read anything about it. But, yeah, that's what I've heard as well.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
There's always money behind it. Yeah. But it's also Ukraine is one of the most mineral rich places on earth. Like it's worth trillions of dollars and all sorts of different like groovy shit that we need to make stuff with. Yeah. What is what did the governor say?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
I'm already looking for states to acquire... Ways. Ways for states to acquire Lahaina. Put that in a search engine.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Yeah, you've got to look. I started using Brave browser recently. I gave up on DuckDuckGo. DuckDuckGo seems to have gone the way of Google. It's very difficult to find things that are inconvenient. But Brave seems to be uncensored and doesn't seem to be curated. But after I said that, they'll probably get them, too. I don't know who to use. I don't know what to do anymore.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
It's only in independent journalism now. You get that from Michael Schellenberger, Matt Taibbi, Glenn Greenwald. You get that from those type of people. You don't get that from anywhere else anymore. And it's good that we have those type of people, that they're there, and they'll hold people accountable and tell you the real numbers of things. Yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
You know, and give you the facts behind what caused conflicts, not just report on the conflicts, but explain to you what happened.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
He said, I'm already thinking about ways for the state to acquire that land so we could put it into workforce housing, to put it back into families, or to make it open spaces in perpetuity as a memorial to people who are lost. That is a crazy thing to say. Because as soon as you say state to acquire that land, and we'll decide the awesome things to do with it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
That's now you took very, very, very valuable land. And you could say, hey, we're going to sell it to a resort. And the resort is going to donate to all these wonderful funds. How many people are missing from the fire, Jamie? Oh, my God.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Because the problem with fires is, like, you need, like, dental records and shit. You know, like, when it gets down to someone dying in an inferno. Well, if they're missing at this point, they're gone. I have a buddy of mine that was a firefighter, and he told me some crazy shit. It's just going into a building with burning people in it is madness. Okay, so 1,000 people reported missing. Whoa.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Yeah, so this death toll. Way off. Shut the fuck up. 85 deaths were confirmed, but I think the problem is when they can say 102 deaths confirmed and they don't say, but yet there's 990 people missing. You can say that because it's very difficult to confirm who these people are. There's not much left. It's so scary. Fire is so fucking scary.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
And when you've been evacuated by fire, there was one time where I was coming home from the comedy store I got evacuated the same day. But as I was coming home from the Comedy Store, as I was driving to my house, the whole right side of the highway over the tops of the hills was in flame.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Like all the hills, like as you get like woodland hills and shit in flames, just in flames, like fire coming over hills. You're watching houses go up in flames. It's such a weird feeling because that's when you realize that we all have this very naive idea.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
And by the way, people working on wildfires and those firefighters who work 24-7 and just fucking stayed alive on coffee and those people are fucking heroes. Yep. But there's not enough of them. Okay, when this cop told me, this firefighter rather told me when we were doing Fear Factor once, He goes, one day.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
He goes, one day a fire is going to hit the right conditions with the right wind and it's going to burn through LA all the way to the ocean. We can't do anything to stop it. And I was like, really? He goes, yeah, when they get real big, there's nothing you can do. And I always thought that guy was just, that was hyperbole until I saw what happened in my fucking neighborhood.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Oh, September. But I thought it was September of this year.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
No? So is it still September 2022? So it says 100 days after the Maui fires, four names remain on the missing list. So they found a bunch of those people? Is that what you're saying?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Imagine that statement. Yeah. What does metabolic health have to do with these diseases?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Oh, so the death toll is 102? Yeah. So why did they say, so the death toll was elevated when they thought 1,000 people were missing? Is that what it was? And then those people had a, there's only two people missing?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
So 1,000 in 2018, September 18, 2023. Yes, right after. And then in November, they had narrowed it down to four people? Yes. Okay, go back. What's below that? Why are so many people still missing in Maui? That's in September of 2023. What does it say? They have an explanation, but I'm hoping maybe New York Magazine has an explanation that makes more sense. Oh, you sons of bitches.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Did Maui officials release the 388 names of people unaccounted for in the Maui fire?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
But what it says right here is more than 100 within a day. August 25th. I'm reading it. 388 names of people unaccounted for following the deadliest U.S. wildfires in more than a century. More than 100 of them or their relatives came forward to say they're safe. So this was in August. So 100 of the 388 people. So that number of 1,000 was just the initial number. Right.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Yeah, but you probably don't report when you're staying with relatives in Honolulu because your house burnt down in Maui. You probably just go over there and stay there.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
So that's good that there was less people died. That's for sure. But it's still fucked that they're trying to take the land. And that what they're doing is they're making it very difficult for these people to rebuild. And most of them haven't even started yet.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Oh my God. So when you got water coverage, you thought you were getting coverage from shit like that?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Can you get insurance for a tree dropping on your house?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Well, some church isn't a racket. Some church is great. Some church is very beneficial for people. I think that a lot more as I'm older. I think it's like a good – I think Zuby said this. I think he called it like an immune system. It's a good immune system to protect you from the bullshit in society.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Soon as you let people have money doing a thing and as soon as you you can attach something to something that people are deeply opposed to, like whatever Trump is for, you're against, you know, no matter what. It's just it's when you could find a thing like that. That's the enemy believes it. People are so reluctant to look at real data.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Even the people that don't want murderers and rapists and drug dealers sneaking across the border, they'll find a way to say, like one of the things they like to say is, migrants statistically commit less crimes than people live here. That's what they say. They love to say that one. But you know what that is? You know what that's accounting for? Gang violence, people that are in prison.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
You're looking at everybody. Statistically, they commit less crimes. Yeah, there's a lot less of them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And also, we have a lot of crime. So what the fuck are you trying to say? It's not like the average person is out there committing all these crimes. No, it's a very small number of people that are career criminals.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
They're poor people. They grew up in terrible environments. They started doing crime when they were young. They're criminals. They're career criminals. There's a small percentage of those, and they fucked the numbers up. So if you want to say that migrants statistically, okay, statistically. But statistically, that's not what we're talking about.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Right. I mean, how do they find those statistics when they say that migrants are less likely? First of all, they're not even arresting them in some places. Like, were they treated as sanctuary cities? Like, people are dealing with that in Aurora, Colorado. They're not even arresting people. They commit crimes. Cops will tell you they can't arrest them because it's a sanctuary city.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Apparently San Francisco, according to some people that I know that are living there, is getting better because of AI. So Chamath was saying that when the super nerds are running things, everything's great. But as soon as the mid-level people start taking over, they get through with ideology. They get through with progressive virtue signaling. And that's how they get ahead.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Because they're mostly mediocre people. And so when they start to get a grip of the city, you're kind of fucked. But if the AI becomes the dominant force in the industry again, then the super nerds will be back in control again. And if the super nerds are in control, they'll fix all these things. Because it's logical.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
It's logical to not have people camping on the streets and fucking shooting up in the middle. parks and stuff.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
of the average human and like it's there I walked by the Tesla store the other day at the domain I was thinking of buying a robot oh they have them there they have a robot I don't think you could buy it but if they could buy it I'd be like I would probably buy that robot I was talking to my kids like you guys think we should get a robot it'd be awesome Would you trust that fucker?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
You trust that fucker? Russia could hack your robot.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
It is entrenched but it's mostly illegal to use. Yeah. It's like mostly illegal what they're doing. you know, if the FBI is really using your Wi-Fi to follow you around your house all day long, that's kind of a violation of your privacy.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
And that's a real technology that's available now. And it should be available if there's a situation where there's a fucking terrorist and he's in a house and he's got a suicide vest and you can use Wi-Fi to locate him and know exactly where he is and you protect all these other people. So that's justification for having some kind of technology in the hands of some intelligence agents.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
That makes it great. But if you're using it to gather dirt on old Brigham, because Brigham's got a big old mouth when he's talking about the pharmaceutical drug, and you have a fucking group of people that are working to put together a dossier on you, it's all nuts, man.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
We're going to need universal basic income, according to most people who understand economics. I don't know if they're right, but it makes sense to me. Universal basic income scares me because incentivizing people to not work scares me. You know, giving people an excuse to not – it's bad for people. It just is. It's bad for kids.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
If you just give your kids everything they want and they never learn how to work hard, you're fucking them up. And the problem with just giving people a check, they're not going to want to – if you get enough to eat and you have recreation money and you have a roof over your head and you don't have to work at all.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
And working for a little bit more than that, and then you lose those benefits, fuck that. I would rather pare down my lifestyle.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
If you wanted to look at it long term, if you're being objective and not taking into account human emotions and suffering and the disruption of lives that it's undeniably going to cause, if you just wanted to look at us objectively, you would say this is an inevitable transition, a very painful transition into a technological world. And human beings are going to have to adapt.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
And if this was available to them when they were babies, they would have adapted to exist in that world. They would have find things to do for a living that only humans can do because they're very personal things that only humans can do. There's always going to be a market for handmade things. There's always going to be a market for I like a painting that I know the guy who made it. Yeah.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
You know what I mean? I love that. I love that. I look at like that painting up there. My friend Taylor made that. I know him. I hung out with the dude. That's Mitzi, right? That's Mitzi. But there's a big thing that Taylor made that, and he's my friend. I know him. That's a piece of him.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Art's amazing. I love it. It makes me feel different. When I'm looking at something that someone made... It makes me feel better.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
It's the only thing I'm allowed to have in my house. I'm not allowed to decorate my house because it would look like a fucking baby's house. It would look like a man baby. It would all be like toys everywhere. I'm not allowed to decorate my house. But I do have three Greg Overton paintings.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Everything else, my wife figured everything else out. I'm just like, go ahead. Just give me a little space. Give me a little something. I got an elk head in the kitchen, in the dining table, over the dining table. First elk I shot with a bow. But it's not like the stuff kind. It's just the skull.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Do you have any taxidermy? No, I don't. Taxidermy, that's dolls. Yeah. You know, that's what that is. My friend Tyler does it. You know, I love Tyler from Archery Country.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Yeah, especially in Texas. My friend told me that he went over to this guy's house and the guy had a stuffed chimpanzee and the chimpanzee, when you got near him, it was like rigged where his eyes would light up and his dick would pop up. Like they had it, you know how you walk by those haunted house things? You walk by him, his eyes light up and his dick pops up.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Because of you, we watched, what was the Chimp? Oh, Chimp Crazy? Oh my God. Oh my God. It's insane. Insane.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
They're mentally ill, crazy people who have giant primates that live in their house in cages.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Oh, yeah. They all take their noses off. Oh, my God. Yeah. They rip their eyes out. Yeah, it's nuts. And for the first four or five years, the monkey gets to go everywhere. So the chimp gets to go to the pizza place. Everybody loves them. Chimp gets to go here. But then they get a little older, and now they're in a cage all day.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
So they used to be free. They used to go to the town. Everybody was their friend. Yeah. Now, all of a sudden, they're in a fucking cage. And when they get out of that cage, they... Fuck people up. They're so mad.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
They castrate them. That's why that lady's 15-year-old. She can hang out with it and watch 2001. That's a castrated 15-year-old chimpanzee. That's why it's so skinny, too. It looks like Michael Jackson. Skinny. The other ones look jacked, you know? They look like Mike Tyson is prime.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
You can't dismiss someone who's giving out factual information because they're a so-called influencer. Some people get into influencing for a good cause. And they have real valid information and they collect that valid information and distribute it. And that's how they get a following.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Of course he was. I mean, when you're that jacked in your 70s, what are you on?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Like, what do you want to be that jacked in your 70s?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Guy's probably out of his fucking mind and partying. Did you really shit on someone's head? Is that real?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
I don't know how much – But these are just allegations.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Imagine how much liberty you have to take with the truth if you make up a story about someone shitting on your head. Yeah. I feel like, you know what, this, whatever happened, not bad enough. I want him like shit on my head. Let's like say shit on my head.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
But to make that up, you'd have to be, that's such an insane thing. But when you look at Vince McMahon, you go, I bet he did that. Yeah. I bet he did it. Yeah. He looks like he's insane. He's fucking jacked.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Oh, it definitely does to people. For sure. It must. It has to. I know it does with comedians.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Comedians like become their character. Like Andrew Dice Clay used to be Andrew Silverstein. Dice was a character that he used to do in his act. And then it just became him. Yeah.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
You know, and like Sam Kinison, same thing. Like Sam Kinison became the beast because that's what everybody wanted. He was like captured by it. He became that guy. Yeah. Yeah. If you're Vince McMahon and like your whole thing is, fuck you, I run this game. You're all out of your fucking mind. I'm going to shit in your head. He probably just... Pushed it to the limit.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Plus, he added a lot of recreational substances, which I'm sure there was plenty of.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Have you ever seen any of the More Plates, More Dates videos about Tren? No, from Derek? I've watched Derek.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
But there's so much talk about Tren violence. for whatever reason, and sexual deviants. Like guys who turn gay when they're doing Tren. These guys are taking crazy doses of this super powerful steroid. And they're just doing wild fucking things. They get Tren cough. They get like a crazy cough. And just out of their fucking mind. Just deviant. That's crazy.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
But if you want a career in pro wrestling, and you want to be a fucking animal, and you want to get hit by a chair every night, like you're traveling across the country, probably a good jug.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
The Rock. Isn't that crazy? I mean, he's got his little injuries and shit like that, but the guy looks like a fucking superhero. He's 50 years old. He's been through, like, how many years of WWE? Also played football? And look at him. He's fine.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
The most anomalous of anomalies. Because all those other guys that I met, Jake the Snake. I mean, Hulk Hogan's fucked, man. His back's fucked. He's got to walk with a cane. He's all banged up. And you see him shrinking. Well, his back's all fused. Literally, they're shorter and smaller than they were from all the back and spine surgeries. He's lost like four inches.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
So four inches of spine being compressed. So nuts. It's so crazy, man. And he said it was from that drop. Boom. He would do that all the time. Every time he did it, he's compressing his spine.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Just ruined his back doing that. Yeah, it's scary. Yeah. Speaking of someone who looks like a chimp, how about Brock Lesnar? When he flipped through the air and landed on his head?
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Brock Lesnar would look like a shaved chimp. Like, if you see a shaved chimp, like, that's what he's... Have you seen his daughter? Except he's too wide.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
You're alive anyway. And you see that guy get off a boat with a sword. Yeah. That's what the Vikings were.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
That's a great joke. They did do a lot of that, too. They raped everybody. The Vikings were unbelievably brutal. And they did a lot of drugs, too, apparently.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Yeah, it was so good. Great show. My wife bailed on it after a while. She couldn't deal with everybody getting hacked to death by swords. Like, after a while, you're like, okay, stop.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Oh, yeah. The actual things that they did, they really did. Yeah. Which is just they were so nuts, man. But there's been so many instances like that in history of like groups of unbelievable savages that accomplished insane things just by pure barbarism and slaughter of innocent people.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Like the Mongols. I was watching something about Mongolia today. These guys who are fitness influencers went to go experience these Mongolian wrestlers. And these Mongolian wrestlers are like these giants of Mongolia, these fucking tanks. These dudes are throwing each other around, and they got to eat food with them and hang out with them and experience it. That's what's left over.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
I think he was dealing with Genghis Khan's son. The empire was already in decline by that time. You know, it's like once Genghis Khan died, his sons took over, his family took over, and then it kind of fell apart after a while because you need a fucking psycho. Yeah. You need a guy who's got DNA.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
And what was the number, Jamie, when we last looked at like what percentage of the population in Asia has Genghis Khan's DNA? It's something nuts. Like 5% of everybody. Like still has it. This fucking guy who lived in what, 1200? When did Genghis Khan live? I think it was 1200. Yeah. So all these years later, this dude has 5%.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
It's nothing. It's nothing. Okay, it's more than that. It's 5% of the male population. Excuse me. 0.5% of the male population worldwide. Half percent. Half percent. Right, not 5%. Worldwide. But what is it in Asia? That is still crazy. 0.5% of the male population worldwide. But what is it in Asia? In Asia, I think it's nuts. 8% maybe? Is that what it says? Okay. 8%. That's nuts.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
So 750 years of Genghis Khan's heritage, this mutation occurred in 8% of males in 16 different populations that were being studied. So one half of a percent of everyone on earth, 8% of people that live there. That is insane. So what was it like when he was alive? Was everybody fucking their cousin because you couldn't help it? Because Genghis Khan fucked everybody.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
So when they would conquer a town, he would take everyone's wife. He would just kill all the men, fuck all the ladies. They all became his wives. Yeah.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
So it wasn't a pandemic of rape. Right. There was a lot of raping going on. Well, there's, like— Yeah. I mean, if you go back long enough, it's all rape. Yeah.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
How far do you have to go back in human history? Was there any cave people that were male feminists? They were barbaric. They killed each other. They stole wives. I remember reading this book about Comanche where they're talking about this one Comanche warrior who wanted this other Comanche's wife. So he killed the guy and ate a piece of his heart and then took his wife. Like, that was humans.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
And if they do it, and Taylor's going to do it by the book. I know Taylor. He'll do it by the book. By the way, he's got a great steakhouse he just opened up in Vegas. The Four Sixes, Four Six Steakhouse. I think it's like a pop-up right now, but we ate at it last time we were in Vegas. It's fucking great. It's all meat from his ranch.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Cool guy. Got his own ranch. Makes a steakhouse. Supplies the meat. It's fucking incredible.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Dude, he's a cowboy at a ranch a friend of mine works at in California. Oh, really? Yeah. He, like, did real cowboy work. Oh, that's cool. Before he ever made it in show business.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
He's a great podcast guest too. Very interesting guy. Super fucking smart. And those shows, all the Yellowstone shows are fucking incredible. And the new ones are the best ones. If you go from Yellowstone was great, and then 1883 was great, and then the last one, the 1923, the Harrison Ford one, that's fucking great. They're all great. They just get better.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
I think 1883 is the most recent, and that's my favorite. That's the one when the family was making a cross. I love because it shows how...
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
And so accurate. Like, so accurate as to how people died and what they dealt with and... Fuck, man. People falling off wagons, getting run over by the wheels like that kind of shit.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
At the very least, if we're not here for something, at the very least, we can maximize our time here. You know, one of the things, the reason why this is very important to me is everything I do, I need energy. Everything I do. I need a lot of energy. I need a lot of energy to do stand-up. I need a lot of energy to do jiu-jitsu. I need a lot of energy to do archery.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
I need a lot of energy to do podcasts. I need a lot of energy to do UFC shows. If you're weak and tired, you won't be as good at anything you do. Anything you do. And the one thing that you have control over... If you're a person that takes care of your diet and exercise, the one thing that you're going to have control over is you will be able to give your vehicle more energy. That's real.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
If you really do the right things in terms of with your health, you rest accordingly, eat the right foods, take vitamins, work out.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
You don't even need a fucking gym. If you have a YouTube account and a laptop, you can watch yoga videos and you can do them at home. If you get one 35-pound kettlebell. My friend Keith Weber, he's got this extreme kettlebell cardio series. He's got a bunch of different ones that you can do. But there's a few of them that are online. And I did one the other day. It was fucking brutal.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
It doesn't cost anything to get one of those things. How much is a 35 pound kettlebell? You get it once, you never have to buy another one. And me, after all the years of using kettlebells, I still can get a fucking ass kicking workout with one 35 pound kettlebell. And if you think you can't, follow that YouTube video and try.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Yeah, you've got to move around. Otherwise, your body's feeble. If your body's feeble, it's not going to be able to handle diseases, not going to be able to handle injuries. How many people die by falling down because they're older? You know, this is something that Peter Attia talks about quite a lot, is that it's very important for older people to lift weights.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
You know, not for vanity, but to be able to protect yourself from falling. If you're falling and you're feeble, you can't do anything to stop the fall, you know?
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
It's dangerous and it's spooky that you get pushback after that. So let's talk about the pushback because it was immediately afterwards. You started texting me like, dude, holy shit, these hit pieces are nuts. Because you could see the machine moving against you.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
But the problem is that science is very difficult to verify, especially science that's given to you by the pharmaceutical drug companies. Because one of the things, was it John Abramson who's litigated these cases against pharmaceutical drug companies? One of the things that he was saying is that he was part of the Vioxx thing.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
That when you get the peer-reviewed data, you don't get access to the data. You get access to the review of the data. And you also don't get access to all the studies that they did that didn't show a positive. I'm sure you saw that Steven Crowder thing where he caught that COVID czar guy.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
When he was talking about monkey pox, the monkey pox drug. That's nuts.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
That they were trying to sell more of those drugs. And that the reality is most people aren't going to get monkey pox. It's like you have to get it from gay sex.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
So you could see that someone saw this Senate hearing, realized that it could potentially have an impact, and tried to do their best to mitigate those potentially positive effects for the health of American people. But it could cost them money. So they started pumping money into these media outlets.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
And it got called the Kardashian drug, which was brilliant because there's no evidence they took it. Oh, really? I've never heard any evidence they took it.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
But it's what you heard about. I saw it on Twitter, the Kardashian drug. In the early days of these GLP-1s, Ozempic and Wegovy, they were talking about it and people were calling it the Kardashian drug. And they were saying all these women in Hollywood are taking it. I don't even know if they took it. Because I know they have trainers, you know? So they might have just worked out.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
It might be bullshit. Yeah. But everybody's like, oh, they're doing it. Those bitches. Like, one of my wife's friends sent her an image of this woman and said, oh, my God, everyone is on Ozempic these days. Just because the woman was skinny. It's like, first of all, that lady's always been skinny. You can find pictures of her from 30 years ago. She was skinny. Like, what are you talking about?
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#2197 - Mike Baker
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah. God damn it. I was promised in the late 60s, admittedly, I was young, a jet pack. We're all going to have jet packs. Flying cars, remember? Flying cars. It didn't happen to this day. I'm still pissed off about it.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
That's what was crazy. And we were getting shit on left and right during the campaign where I compared him. I said, Biden being president is like having a flashlight with a bad battery and going for a long walk in the woods. There's no fucking way. It's not going to make it. And people were saying, no, don't you know he stutters? Well, there's no evidence of him stuttering when he was younger.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Do you imagine how bad people drive if they were just flying around? Thinking about that idiot that T-boned you with that idiot's in the sky checking his phone and he slams into you and you both go crashing into a target. My truck would be a fucking mess at this point.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Both sides. Not just one side. Both sides. Now, I think we did solve a couple of things, but...
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#2197 - Mike Baker
I think we had a fun conversation. That's all I expect. But I always wanted to get your perspective on things because you're one of the few people that actually knows what they're talking about with these things.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
So I appreciate you very much. Thank you. And if you don't mind me mentioning one more time.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
thank you for the invite that we had for UFC 303. Oh. I took my boy out there. Nice. He had the time of his life. He hadn't been to the fights before, and he's a UFC fan, so he knows what he's doing, or he knows the players. Yeah. Had a great time out there. Oh, good. It was a great card. Glad you had fun.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Oh, 303. It looked like it might not be. Right, but it pulled up. Yeah.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Really? Yeah. Very nice. Yeah, that final one with Pereira was great. Yeah, gosh.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
That's fucking terrifying. Holy shit. He's so terrifying. Oh, my God. Yeah.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
No, it was really good. And I thought one of the best ones was Macy. Oh, yeah, that was a great fight, too. Yeah, she did really well.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah, it was a great card. Yeah. Anyway, the Vegas fights are always fun. But thank you.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Tell everybody one more time, your podcast, how to get a hold of everything.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah, it's the President's Daily Brief. It's available on all podcast platforms. It's twice a day. You're in, you're out. We tell you the key things. We don't take up a lot of your time. And then Bob's your uncle. And then we do a weekend show. And you can find that on our YouTube channel, at President's Daily Brief. And it's also on the first TV. So we're kind of all over the place.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
It's doing very well. And I think it's doing well because of what we talked about. It's just the news. Yes. And it's concise. And it's just the top three or four issues going on at that moment. But it's just the news. It's not like some opinion thing where I'm spending a lot of time telling people how to think about it.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
You know, I mean, occasionally I might let something slip, but for the most part. So I think there's an appetite for that.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
This is like objective news. I get an email. I'm on the email list. Yeah, that's it. Okay. I recommend that. It's very good. Excellent. Mike Baker, thank you very much, brother. Appreciate you.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
This is crazy. Yeah. There's a mental decline there. There's nothing wrong with mental decline. We're all going to experience it someday, kids. But to say that it's not happening just because you don't want the other side to win is bananas.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
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#2197 - Mike Baker
And that's what it was. Anytime you called it out, because we all saw it, like you said, we're all heading in that direction. It's probably the one thing we all have in common. We all know what it looks like. Everyone's got aging parents or aging grandparents. And so we knew it intuitively, right?
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Every time you saw him and he made a slip up or he faltered or he just kind of started staring off into space or he moved the way that he was moving, like you've seen your grandpa move. We knew it. But if you dared bring it up... You were just, I mean, you were just kicked in the ass, right?
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#2197 - Mike Baker
And suddenly somehow you were ageist and you were, you know, hyper-partisan and you were just, and you were MAGA. The epitome of gaslighting. Yeah. Gaslighting to the extreme.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Because it was so obvious and in your face. It's like, no, it's not raining out. Like, what? Yeah. It's fucking boring. Like, what are you talking about?
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Full gaslighting right in front of your face. Yeah. And so I would love that to be the first very first question. Can you explain to us at what point in time you actually became aware that he was in significant mental decline? Right. And again, that's I feel bad for the guy. I feel bad for anybody who's in that position. But he's the fucking commander in chief. Right.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
He's the leader of the free world. So I think we have a right to expect more from that situation. But I don't think there's going to be none of those questions.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
His last fuck you was saying that he wants Harris to take his place. That was his last fuck you. Because from what I understand, they wanted to have a primary. And they wanted to pick their own person. And they didn't want to have Harris.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah, she was nobody's idea of the best, most competent, most qualified candidate. Up until they orchestrated this, whatever you want to call it, anointment or coronation or coup. You used to call it a coup. Call it a coup. It seems like a coup. Yeah. So until that point, she wasn't the preferred, but now she's fucking Beyonce and Joan of Arc.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Well, she had that one speech where she really fucking nailed it when she was talking about Trump. And this is after Trump even got shot when she didn't even address the fact that we have to be more tolerant. You mean that teleprompter speech? That teleprompter speech, she fucking nailed it. She nailed it. But when you get her off teleprompter, she's fucked.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah. She's fucked. Well, I don't know this, and this is sheer speculation on my part, but I would be suspicious. I love sheer speculation. I know. As opposed to all the other times that I'm not speculating. I don't need facts. Yeah. But there's a chance maybe that they will know the questions for tomorrow night's interview ahead of time.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
I know. Do you think CNN would do that? You're right. I take it back because I'm sure it will be a series of hard hitting questions and they won't let her get away with anything. And it's all going to work out fine. Look, all she's got to do is beat the Biden debate bar and people are going to say, yeah, she nailed it.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah. Well, they're supposed to have a debate, right, on ABC. September 10th. And isn't the woman who moderates it a part of the Biden-Harris administration?
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Who is the woman, which has some sort of a connection to the Biden-Harris administration? The woman who is, find that out, Jamie, the woman who's moderating the ABC debate. Is it Joe Biden? You did great, Joe. You answered all the questions. And what did he do? He lied. He lied. Poor bastard. That poor bastard. If that was my dad, I'd be so fucking angry at her.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
I'd be like, what are you doing to dad? They're just dragging him around, right? Unbelievable. Up until that moment, just drag him around. Juicing him up with Adderall and having him talk or whatever they're giving him. I want to try what he's getting.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
It's got to be tremendous. Imagine if you have a day when you're kind of tired and sleeping and your brain's not working that good.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
yeah well i have several of those which by the way i should say this if you are having one of those days there's a study that came out about creatine creatine which most people think of as like a muscle supplement which it is but creatine actually helps performance when you're sleep deprived significantly That's interesting. Yeah.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Okay. Well, that's good because I'm constantly sleep deprived.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
My boys take it for their workouts. It's great for that, too. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I didn't know that about that, but I will definitely jump on it because I find myself... Like this month, August, I've been traveling like a son of a bitch, and I'm probably getting three and a half, four hours of sleep a night.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
It's not good as we get older, too. When I was young, I could bounce back from four hours sleep. Not that bad. Yeah. But at 57, it's rough.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah, well, try my age. Creatine. Get on some creatine. Yeah, me and Joe Biden. God. But it is remarkable that... When you look at what's happened over the past month and a half, I mean, nobody – it doesn't seem – because, again, the media is playing along with this. Nobody's asking questions. Who's running the free world? Who's making the decisions at the White House?
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#2197 - Mike Baker
It doesn't seem to be a major concern. Which is bizarre. Which is bizarre. But the – I get the Democrats, right? The Democrats are like, well, but Trump – It's always their answer. But Trump. And, you know, if I point out that maybe Harris, you know, is somewhat of a midwit, you know, but Trump. And so what is your argument back? I mean, what do you say?
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Well, look, maybe you should focus on just having the best qualified candidate rather than saying, well, we just got to beat Trump. And that's not going to happen. But the fact that there's just nobody asking questions about things like that. When did you know that President Biden was in decline? Who was actually making the decisions?
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Controversy surrounds ABC News anchor Lindsay Davis as debate moderator due to alleged bias against Trump. But doesn't she have some sort of a connection to the Biden or Harris administration?
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#2197 - Mike Baker
No, I read something, some connection that someone had made. I should have saved it. Huh.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah. So that's the 10th. But again, I would say that, hey, look, it's much like this, you know, this upcoming interview, right? She just got to get through it without a major screw up. And I think they're going to say, look, she did it. She's had her interview. It's all good. Yeah. I just don't think that people are that curious anymore.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
And certainly on the Democrat side, the one thing they're always very good at is just doing what they're told and following a message, sticking to the message, and worrying about winning.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah, I saw Bill Maher and Quentin Tarantino talking about it, whether or not she should do interviews. And Quentin Tarantino's like, it's really important that we just win. Yeah. That we just win. Like, are we the Dolphins? Are we going against the Raiders? Or is this the United fucking States of America? Like, what? What the hell are you talking about?
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah, you'd like to think that people are really concerned about the quality of their leaders, but I think it is more about winning, again, at least on the Democrat side. Sometimes I question whether Republicans understand that.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
I think it's on both sides. I really do, because there were some people that posted a deceptive video, deceptively edited video, that made it look like Tim, you know, he has a son that has some disabilities, and it looked like he was yanking his son... in a mean way, but he was really just trying to get his son to not hit his head on the teleprompter.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
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#2197 - Mike Baker
So the teleprompter is this clear thing, the kid's walking towards it, and he just gives him a pull this way, like, let's go this way. And they just took that clip, like, oh, I bet he's mean. Look, he's mean to his boy. It's creepy.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
The level of disinformation and misinformation right now leading up to November is astounding. Astounding. And it's becoming more and more difficult because of generative AI and Just a willingness to kind of disappear down a rabbit hole and believe whatever you want to believe, right? Nobody's questioning all this shit.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
But it is, whether it's coming from outside influence, and we know the Iranians are very active right now. Obviously, the Russians and Chinese are always interested in screwing us up. But people, if they don't do it themselves... It's not as if this idea that the government is going to tell you what's good and what's not to read is amazing. They just arrested the Telegram CEO over in Europe.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
I was going to ask you about that, too. So it seems like they wanted access to... to Telegram's messages because there were certain people that were posting things that had been a part of... There was a terrorist attack in Russia that they tried to get him to give up information about, but then they gave up on that and they left him alone. But now in France, they've arrested him.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah, they picked him up three days ago, I think, four days ago.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Unfortunately, he's got this social media girlfriend who posts pictures everywhere she goes so they can fucking find him everywhere. Telegram CEO released from custody in Paris.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Aha, great. They extended his detention for 48 hours, and then they had to make a decision, I think it was by today, as to what to do with him.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Judge had until Wednesday morning to either charge him or release him, so they released him.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
I think the outrage of the world. Okay, so this is said, dual citizen of France and Russia was taken into custody Saturday. He was detained on an arrest warrant over accusations the platform was used for money laundering, drug trafficking, and other offenses. Guess what? You can say that about Gmail. Yeah, yeah. Should we arrest Google?
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Because Gmail is used for money laundering and drug sales? Because it certainly is.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah, and I think, well, look, honestly, I think there's some people in the States, if they thought they could get away with it, they would. That's what they would be pushing for. But with Pavel Durov, I think they were really upset with a couple of things. One is that...
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Telegram has a history of not cooperating with criminal investigations, not releasing information or complying with requests from whomever it may be, Europol, Interpol, anyone. And so they basically figured out a way to say, look, because of your inability or your failure to moderate the content on your platform, on Telegram, We're going to criminally charge you, perhaps.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
I suspect that's what they're going to do with this, but I think you're right. I think the outrage said, okay, well, let's let him go for now. But he's not – look, he got sideways with Putin. So he's a dual citizen of Putin.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
No, France and United Arab Emirates. Oh, yeah. And although the Russians Putin regime was very funny when he got arrested, they were outraged over the fact that they viewed this as a limit on free speech. That's a Putin regime. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, my God.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Because you know how much they value civil liberties and shit. Especially dissenting opinions. Yeah. Oh, they love. There is nothing better.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah. It's all about free expression over there in Russia.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
So let me ask you this before we get off topic about the assassination. Oh, yeah. Is it normal for there to be an assassination attempt and then no press conference?
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah. It is – because we don't have assassination attempts every week, it's kind of hard to say that is it normal to do this. But if there's a major world event, generally don't they have press conferences? Yes.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
And it was – look, the whole thing, the protocols that weren't followed, the process, the fact that it was a cock-up of monumental proportions leading up to Thomas Crooks taking those shots – And then the afterwards. Right. Then the way that they handled it was another series. I mean, it's still to this day, this series of mistakes that there is no justification for it.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
You can't look doing security at a an event like the Butler rally back in July where Trump was shot. Right now there's people out there going, I don't think he was shot. I'm pretty sure he wasn't. So I think that's, it's not rocket science, right? It's very labor intensive and detail oriented, but it's not, you're not building a spaceship, right?
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#2197 - Mike Baker
You're going through the same process that you go through every time you have one of these events, right? And so you have a political rally like that. And it's not a national security event. So it's not the DNC. It's not the RNC. It's not the Super Bowl. It's not the Olympics. Those are national security events.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
You have a year plus to plan and prepare, get all your resources together and figure out your game plan, your site surveys, all the rest of it. You still have time with these political events. Don't have a year, but you've got sufficient time. And they do it over and over again. And it's not tough. So you do a site survey and you say, OK, he's going to show up at Butler. Let's get out there.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
And the Secret Service has primacy. They work with local state resources if they need to heavy up the security and they don't have the available resources. But they have the primacy. So they go out.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
And the site survey, that whole process, the risk threat assessment and the survey is where you identify your timelines and your resources and your deployment of resources and all the various things, your command and control center, your communications protocols, all those things. But it's over and over and over again. There's a methodology to it.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
And the Secret Service, you know, they do this all the time. so it does lead you to wonder how many more events in the past have they been, you know, not buttoned up and they just got lucky because there wasn't a shooter, but there's no way to excuse what happened, uh, because it was such a breakdown of, of events.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
And, and then afterwards in the hot Washington, in the, the briefings that they did provide and going up on Capitol Hill and Kimberly Cheadle, the now departed, uh, director, um, It was a classic lesson in how not to do crisis communications. And she should have been the director who's now gone. She should have been out on the on the rally grounds that afternoon, that evening. Sorry.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
And with a team and with the agent in charge. And it should have been very clear to everyone. The press all around that they were out there doing the investigation, assessing what had happened and people would be responsible and they would talk. But none of that happened. It was just a fucking goat rope.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Like if that had happened, if there's an assassination attempt about Biden. Yeah. Yeah.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
On the ear the same way. And they took him out and the whole deal. And, you know, they shoot the guy and there's an investigation. It would have been on the news constantly, constantly for weeks and weeks. It would have been lead story every night. More information in the assassination attempt on President Biden. Day 22. Yeah. Yeah, it would have been the same thing.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Right-wing, far-right activist, registered Republican, Thomas Crooks. Yes. Because apparently he was a registered Republican.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah, he had donated, I think, $15 to a Democratic or a progressive group. And he had registered as a Republican. And he was all over the map. He had done research on Biden. He'd done research on Trump. So he was, you know, they're trying to posit a motivation because they haven't been clear about that yet. They're still trying to figure out a motivation there.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
that he was just looking for an opportunity to carry out his vision.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
We don't even know. Does he have a history of being mentally ill?
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#2197 - Mike Baker
There was some talk. They're starting to develop a narrative that says, for the past couple of years, people were concerned about his mental health. There were a couple of people, I think, that had an acquaintance with him that were saying, well, we just assumed he was bipolar or depressive. He had researched depressive disorders that was on some of his electronic gear.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
And so, yeah, I mean, that could be it. But, again, the bottom line is the whole process, command and control, resource deployment, communications process, all of it just completely fucked up on that day. And usually when you have a problem of that magnitude – with security. It's never just one thing. It's a series of things that compound.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
And, you know, but then, you know, the acting director, Roe, you know, he goes up there and, you know, it was a few weeks back now, but when he first showed up to say, I'm the acting director and I'll go up to Capitol Hill and answer your questions, which he didn't really do, um,
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#2197 - Mike Baker
You know, they were talking about, well, it's almost impossible to get all the elements talking on the same frequency, right? The local police are talking on their frequency. Secret Service talking on their frequency. Counter-sniper teams, maybe they're operating on a different channel. You can't combine those. Well, of course you can.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
I'm just telling you for a fact that you can... There are capabilities out there and available to allow you to get everybody talking on the same sheet of music at an event like that.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah. Yeah. And it's also... Yeah, it divides logic, but it also... And I think that was the thing about this is why people were so shocked is because... You didn't have to be a security expert to look at this thing in real time. Well, how about the sloped roof thing? We couldn't get agents up there because the roof was sloped, and it could be dangerous. And it sloped like five degrees.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah, that was the nail in her coffin when she came out with that bullshit.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
The whole thing was insane because you had snipers on another roof. So what are you talking about?
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah, you had two counter-sniper teams, and... But again, when you go out to a place like that and you walk the grounds and you stand and you survey, right? And you fly drones around and you get a real sense of what you're talking about. In the early stages of a survey or an assessment like that, there are just certain things you look for. Right. You know, okay, there's the stage.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
There's a tall building over there. How about the water tower? How about the water tower? Maybe we cover that down too. And I think... The transparency that we have on this right now is pretty much thanks to the local law enforcement. I mean, that's where we've gotten most of our information, right? They've shared body cam images. They've shared radio conversations.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
And I think in part they're doing it because they're so pissed off, right?
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah, well, their conversations were about how they saw this guy in advance and they alerted people. He was walking around with a fucking range finder. Yeah. That's it. Is that a clue? You walk around with a range finder, they should just arrest you.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah. It's shocking. And then he was there a couple hours ahead of time flying a drone. Insane. Yeah. But I think that the Secret Service, their go-to in the immediate aftermath was to point fingers at the local law enforcement. And so I think local law enforcement was like, fuck you. Fuck you. Yeah. And so they've been transparent where Secret Service hasn't.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Government, I tell you this, government hates to hold a press conference when they don't have all the facts, right? They're just not comfortable with it. And particularly something like this, the idea that the acting director kept saying about, well, we're not going to get out ahead of the investigation. Well, you know what? Sometimes there's times when you need to. Right.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
And the fact that they failed to understand the optic of this right in the immediate aftermath and say, man, we've got to be so fucking proactive here. We've got to be more transparent than we've ever been before.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
There's a lot of other things that disturb me. Here's one. Was there, is it normal for CNN to live stream a Trump press event or a Trump campaign event?
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#2197 - Mike Baker
They normally, I mean, if they show it, they normally jump out of it after the first 10 seconds or so. Always lying again.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
We've counted five lies. But I do have to say this, and I say this as a credit to CNN. It seems like they have made a concerted effort to be more balanced. And I think this is in the aftermath of firing Don Lemon and Brian Stelter and all those people over there that people were frustrated with. I think they have made a concerted effort.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Like there was a gentleman who was on who was talking about that everyone's blaming Trump for things, but that the Democrats have been in control of the White House for 12 of the last 16 years. And when he said that, it was like, whoa. That was a big moment, and no one had an answer to that. The undermining that Trump has done to our democracy and the threats and what he said.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
He's going to be a dictator. He said he's going to be a dictator. On day one. Holy shit, man. He's joking around about closing the border. He's not going to listen to anybody. He's just going to close the border.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
The 12 of the last 16 years. And you know what? Kamala Harris, if she wins, she's going to fix the problems.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
I know. Which is so crazy. Another part of the whole equation that I'm sure they won't get asked tomorrow night. When you talk about fixing the problems and making America, what are you, Ben, doing?
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Maybe they will, and maybe they've already prepared for that. Maybe they have some sort of fucking spinny spin they're going to put on that to make it seem like it makes sense.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Somebody, I guarantee you, put everybody on the polygraph over there and say, somebody could just be a researcher or a producer or whatever. They're talking because you know the DNC and the campaign team have been, ever since they agreed, okay, let's do this interview, somebody's been beating on somebody to say, okay, where are you going to go with this? What questions are you going to ask?
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#2197 - Mike Baker
There's no way they're not. They're all Democrats. I mean, if you're working for CNN, you're a Democrat, most likely. There's very few Republicans over there. Yeah, there might be some independents. There might be. Libertarians.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Even though they're liberal-leaning, Jake Tapper, I think, is very fair. I think he's probably the most objective out of all of them, even though I'm sure he has his own opinions and biases. But they're not acting like journalists. They act like...
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#2197 - Mike Baker
advocates for the democratic party and that's where it gets weird because you're supposed to be the news yeah well i think what happened a couple of things is is with cnn moving possibly this idea that they're moving a little bit towards the center and i will say you see more negative comments from from uh the the left right about cnn i think they're pissed off sometimes with cnn because they're not as objective
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Because they're trying to move a little bit more. I think that's a revenue issue for them because I don't think they've made money since they've been around. But I think they're realizing that maybe there's more profit margin a little bit further towards the center than where they've been sitting.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Well, if they can convince people that they will actually be objective, people like me will listen. And that's the thing. I'm much more centered than I am anything.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Well, remember, you used to tune in CNN when shit was hitting the fan overseas. Oh, yeah. Because they had more field offices. They had more bureaus all over the world. And you'd turn on CNN to see what's going on. We used to have it. If you walked into a station overseas, CNN was always on. I mean, it still is for the most part.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Was it when Jeff Zucker got involved? Is that when things changed? No.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
I don't know. I'm not qualified to answer that. Because he put on some good stuff, too. He was the head of NBC when I was over there.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
When I was over there for news radio and Fear Factor. Maybe not news. No, not news radio. Fear Factor. He was the head guy over there. And when he went over there, he did a bunch of great things, like the Anthony Bourdain show. They were doing those interesting shows. W. Kamau Bell had a show on there. They were doing some cool stuff that was not just the news.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
And I was like, oh, I like it, I like it. But then when they became, like, Don Lemon, at one point in time, do you remember when Don Lemon had that famous speech about what black people need to do? Pull your pants up, get your shit together. I was like, fuck yeah, Don Lemon. And where's that guy? Where'd that guy go?
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#2197 - Mike Baker
That guy fucking vanished. There was no money in that. No, no.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Oh, God. You can't hang out at CNN with those kind of fucking... Come on. Objective opinions. God.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah, it'll be... So, I think... Again, I think this interview that she's going to do, I get it. I understand. Why wouldn't you want to be in a comfortable spot? I think it's very bizarre that she's doing a joint interview with Walt.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
If you want to show that you're ready for the job and you could possibly be the first woman president of the United States, and then you say, okay, my first big interview, I'm going to sit here with this dude.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Could you imagine if Trump did all his interviews with Pence? What? What?
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Where is Pence? He's hiding. That dude's hiding. I don't even know where he is.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
All those QAnon people, they don't like him. Oh, God, no. No, that's true. Oh, they think he's a traitor. Yeah. They think he's responsible for Trump not being still in office. There's nobody in the middle anymore. Oh my God, no one's in the middle, and if you're in the middle, you're an enemy.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Pick a fucking side. Pick a side. You guys need to stop. Cut the shit, man. We need about five different parties that are all relevant. Goddamn right. And right now we have two. And one of them is way more funded. Like way more funded. Fucking way more funded.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
You see, they've raked in, the Democrats have raked in something like half a billion dollars. Nuts. Yeah. And they'll probably spend it all.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
We're up. All right, we're up, Mr. Baker. How are you, sir?
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#2197 - Mike Baker
So there's all these donations that at least Project Veritas is claiming, and these people are claiming, we're not theirs. And this is that they're throwing money into this pot, and they're attributing it to all these people that probably don't even know it's being attributed to them. I think that's what they're alluding to.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
I mean, the cost of this campaign is going to be north of a billion. You have to assume. That's so crazy. And you think about, yeah, if there was a way to take money out of it, if there was a way to take the term, enact term limits, and there was a way to have a meaningful third and fourth party, completely change the landscape here. And I think for the better.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Oh, my God, I just sat down. Well, there's so many things to talk about. Is there? Anything happen? A few things happened until I saw you. One guy got shot. Some guy.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
I don't think there's any, I mean, in my mind, I don't think I can be persuaded otherwise, but... I just don't see that happening. Who's gonna vote against their own best interests, right? You look at the money that these politicians can make, and they can walk out the door, multimillionaires, On salaries, where that doesn't make any sense.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
That's the other thing you need to get out of there is insider trading. Yeah.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Oh, you know what? My wife is so damn smart. A hell of a lot smarter than I am. She's very smart. She is very smart. She's kind of spooky smart.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
I know, right? You talk to her, you're like, yo. Yeah. Yeah. This lady's operating at a very high frequency. I know, which makes you wonder, why is she still with me? That's what they like, a nice dumb guy.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
A dumb guy, right. Yeah. You know, I'm good at picking things up and putting them down. That's all they need. Yeah, I can fetch things.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
They need you to open up mayonnaise jars. Look at this. Hand Mike the pickles. Every now and then I walk over there and I just show her just so she knows what I'm around here for. That's right. I can fucking open shit.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
God damn it. I will say this. The other thing about this is all three of my boys. I just got in from Florida this morning and I was dropping our middle boy back at IMG. He plays basketball down there. and he's constantly, and the older one, even the youngest one, they're constantly just hitting me. They're beating on me, right? Every time they walk by. Boy stuff.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
And the guy who shot him, just his body vanished. Yeah. No police. Now, did he get shot?
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah, they can't walk by me without hitting me, right? Yeah. And I mean, now they're really putting some effort into it, right? They got testosterone now. Yeah, they got testosterone, and they want a title shot, right? Yeah.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
And so they're all kind of getting to that point, and they're just like, I'll walk into the elevator yesterday with Sammy, and we get in there, and the door's closed, and he just wails on me. I go, what the fuck? Fuck you doing?
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#2197 - Mike Baker
I was talking about this with Huberman, that the difference between a boy of 12 years old and a boy of 17 is only five years. Yeah. So you and I, in five years, basically probably be pretty close to the same, but hopefully we won't decline too much. Yeah. But from a boy at 12 years old, they can't hurt anybody. At 17 years old, they can fuck up grown men.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
And it happens quick. It happens quick, and all of a sudden, yeah, it's like with the two oldest ones. I look at them. If I'm away, you know, I travel a fair amount, and I come back.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
They got muscles. They're bigger. They're taller. I'm thinking, holy shit. But it's like living in a house with Kato, remember? Wait, wait. We're really dating ourselves now. Yeah, exactly.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Because I've seen a lot of people talk about this, like, no, he didn't get shot.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
But so, yeah, we dropped him off yesterday. He's back there for his next year. And I will say that, you know, but to start about AMG, they told me a fact yesterday. And I was just talking about it with the guys outside before we started. Which astounds me. They graduated 88 ballplayers last year, basketball players, from seniors and their post-grad program. 88 of them.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
82 of them are now playing college ball. Wow. That's astounding. That's pretty astounding. It's amazing. And that's just the one sport there. They cover most of the sports. That's pretty incredible. It's an amazing program. So anyway, but moving on.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
I interrupted you. You were about to say something smart that your wife said. I was saying we're talking about the Trump thing and the objective thing with the news and all that jazz.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Fucking hell. I'm having a Biden moment now. What was I talking? Jamie, you remember what I was going to say? No, it'll come to me later on. Yeah. Yeah. I don't even remember what I was about to say.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
We're essentially just talking about the problem with narratives, that people – there's no one in the middle and that everyone is – if you're not on one side, you're a traitor. Yeah. You're an enemy.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
And you do – I don't know. There's no way – I don't think there's any way to walk that dog back, right? Look, we had that moment after the assassination attempt, and like we talked about earlier, people were saying, yeah, we've got to be more civil.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
That wasn't real? I saw it. Again, you would think that would be a clue, but I've seen things where they say, no, he didn't have any blood on him, and then he ducked down behind the podium just long enough. I'm thinking, are you fucking psycho?
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#2197 - Mike Baker
It was like a mini 9-11. Remember after 9-11? Everybody was so nice to each other for weeks. That one lasted a long time. I remember coming to New York City, and we filmed Fear Factor after September 11th, and everybody was so nice. And firemen were treated like fucking heroes. Firemen got laid more than any other time. I mean, everybody wanted to bang a fireman.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
I grew a mustache and pretended I was a fireman for a while.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
All the first responders, cops, EMT guys, they all got mad respect. And everybody was a lot more peaceful and civil. And in Los Angeles, it was palpable. You had American flags on everyone's car. It was kind of cool.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
And then you had the same with the military, right? I mean, shortly after, and then we went into Tora Bora, and then that whole thing kicked off. But there was a period of time, you're right. And usually, not that you want something like that to happen. I mean, look at the pandemic. I mean, the pandemic brought people together for a while. People were so nice to you.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
In the beginning, I thought it was going to be like 9-11, where everyone's going to realize, hey, we're all together in this. Let's help each other out. Let's get through this.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Well, the thing that didn't last is... In spite of all the evidence that it's not as bad as everybody's saying it is, everybody wanted to say it's killing everybody. Did you see Kamala Harris's speech where she said 220 million Americans died? Yeah. And she didn't just say it once. She said it more than once. I've got it saved. I could pull it up if Jamie wants to find it.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
But there's two different instances where she said two different speeches, 220 million Americans died from COVID. Yeah. Which is just insane.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
You can misspeak and maybe say 220 million Americans were infected. Yeah. Fact check. Kamala Harris said 220 million people in the U.S. died of COVID. Here's what she meant to say. Oh, she meant to say this. Oh, Snopes. Oh, Snopes. Hold her hand. It was a slip of the tongue. She meant, she's saying million instead of thousand. Okay. No. No, that doesn't work anyway.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
But then, to be fair, then... Well, no, that can't be fair. How can you be fair about that? There's no fair. There's no fair.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
That doesn't work either because even if you're saying 220,000, that's 220,000 died with COVID. You're not looking at it correctly. If it was four plus comorbidities for somewhere in the neighborhood of 75% or 80% of the people that died.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah. But what we just saw there with that headline is – It's very subtle, but it's important, right? What she meant to say. How the fuck do you know what she meant to say if she said it twice? But you see this constantly, right? And again, it's very subtle. It's not straight up disinformation, but it's framing it. It's shaping a narrative. It's softening it. And it's definitely taken aside.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
But a lot of people would read that and it would just go right past them. But it would be back there somewhere, right? Right. As, you know, if it was Trump, you know, Trump lied about the following, right? Right. OK. OK. I mean, that's that's good. Look, it's first of all, you're going to misspeak.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
We heard gunshots. We saw a guy get shot who was shooting at him. The guy behind him got murdered. Yeah. A couple other people got injured. Life-changing injuries. Yes. Yeah, serious injuries. Yeah, serious injuries. I mean, it 100% happened. To say it didn't happen is insane. And then you had Joy Reid on TV saying, well, Biden got over COVID, which is basically the same thing. Yeah.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
If you're doing those kind of things and you're working off a script and you don't have a script and you're just out there talking to people, you're going to misspeak. Yeah. And I say the wrong name all the time. I'll say someone's name and then Jamie will correct me. Did you mean it? I go, what did I say? Like, I don't even realize it when I'm saying it that I'm saying the wrong word.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
That's a goofy one. It's and to repeat it. Yeah. Right. But look, and that's why, again, everything that we've seen leading up to tomorrow night's interview needs to be factored into this. Right. I just I understand why the Democrats are so wrapped around the axle, because they just they're so worried that Trump might win for whatever reason. They just can't fathom that.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
And so a lot of them are just willing to overlook it. A lot of them, I think, understand that she's a half-wit. But I think maybe that's not fair. But look, every time I talk about her, people will say, well, she's so well-experienced. Look at her. She was an attorney general and a senator and a vice president. And I'm thinking, have you never seen people who have failed upwards?
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#2197 - Mike Baker
I've met a lot of people who have had a lot of experience. And they're fucking dolts. They're gormless. Especially in Hollywood. Right?
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#2197 - Mike Baker
You work on television. How many fucking executives have you run across? You're like, how the fuck did you get this job? And even the people under them don't respect them.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
For the time being. Yeah. Then they're all living in fear, right? They're all living in fear of losing that office and those snacks. Yep. And the assistant. And they will. They eventually lose it. They eventually do. Yeah. But they're so paralyzed by fear, nobody's buying shows anymore. Right. And it's a remarkable industry right now. That's not what we're talking about, but it is fascinating.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah, it's completely gutted. People, they lived in fear before, but now nobody wants to green light anything. And if they do, they'll say, well, we'll buy six episodes. Right. Really? Okay, that's where your head's at? Yeah. So, yeah.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
And then they're terrified of AI. Because AI is going to come along, and that's going to take away who knows how many jobs. I mean, I think Hollywood is going to get hit first. Well, maybe not. No, probably a lot of industries are going to get crippled. But I think Hollywood has got a real problem. They've got a real problem with writers.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
They've got a real problem with video, editing, all that stuff. It's going to be done through computers way quicker. Yeah. Way more cost-efficient, probably better. You're going to get exactly what you want.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah. It is shocking. I was a little bit late to the game, as I usually am on the technology side, right? And so I don't think I really understood just how invasive or... What's the word I'm looking for? For AI in its abilities, right? Even now, right? Yeah. It's going to be exponentially better here shortly, but... The ability to craft a very tailored message in almost no time at all is shocking.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
And so you're right. But where my head goes is because, you know, I mean, anybody with kids I think goes there is that, you know, what I worry about is, okay, so at what point do we just, humans don't know how to fucking analyze and write shit anymore, right? Right.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
And you'll have the people who, okay, sure, you've got to program this shit and you've got to curate all the stuff that it's picking up. But now it's collecting just AI-generated shit, right? It's not like it's going out there and getting the world's greatest human literature anymore. Now it's just scooping up all this shit that AI produced. But I worry about kids, right?
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#2197 - Mike Baker
And, you know, the ease with which they can now put together an essay or a college application or whatever the fuck it is. I think we're just raising, you know, maybe we're just raising the next generation of morons.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
People are losing their fucking minds. And they're afraid. Everyone's afraid to be objective. Because if you're objective, somehow or another, you're helping the other side.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Well, definitely the next generation of people that are completely dependent upon technology. I mean, kids can't even write cursive anymore. They stopped teaching that. Yeah. Yeah. Which is bizarre.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
I know. That was always my favorite class. That was the only class I did really well in, was cursive. And phys ed. I did really well in phys ed.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
I guess people think there's no reason to be able to write quickly, because now you just type things out.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah, you type it out. I still write. Emily's much better at it than I am, but I still write a letter occasionally.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Your name is in cursive. Yeah, but have you ever seen kids write their sign? You say, here, sign this. Yeah. No, they just spell it out, not cursive. So they don't have a signature anymore. They don't have a signature. That was a big day when you decided what your signature was going to look like. Yeah, I used to practice modeling. I modeled mine after JFK's. Really?
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah, because no one knows anyway. And so I just like, okay, John F. Kennedy signed it like that. And so I practiced for a long time just to get it looking like that. And that's a little piece of information I don't think anybody ever had before.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
We're going to be definitely dependent. My kids have had kids in their class get busted for papers that they wrote on AI because they're so dumb. They don't realize like someone could just put the same prompt into AI and get the exact same verbiage.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
And they do have, I mean, professors and teachers have, you know, the ability to use certain apps that will scan and see whether these things have been pulled together by AI. But I think it's like a lot of other things. The offensive capability is going to stay ahead of the defensive capability, right? Right.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Oh, no. If you even try to walk a line that's somewhere near the middle of anything nowadays. That's me. Yeah, yeah, you'll get, well, there you go then. You get your ass kicked.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
So you're going to get better and better and better at – and the defensive ability to judge what's AI generated in the world of academia is going to lag. But it is. Yeah, I do think, and then going back to what we were talking about, the level of disinformation coming into November is going to be shocking, I think, for some people, even if they haven't been paying attention.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
But a lot of people don't because a lot of people don't have the time. Yeah, I think when we get there, when we wake up and the election results are announced three weeks later.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Well, Pennsylvania's already saying they're not going to be able to do it on election night.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
We used to. Remember? You go to bed and you knew when you went to bed if you stayed up late.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Not only that, there's no pandemic. So why do we have all these mail-in ballots?
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Well, that seems kind of silly. Yeah. Yeah. We know what else seems silly. And I don't consider this to be voter suppression. Have a fucking ID to show that you're a U.S. citizen. That's racist. I know. I know. I apologize. But but I do think it makes sense. You go to 100 percent makes sense. I couldn't vote in another country.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
You should not be able to vote here without an ID. Just like you can't get a driver's license. You have to have your fucking birth certificate. We have paperwork. It's there for a reason because people are full of shit. There's a lot of fraudsters out there. And if there's a way to mitigate fraud in the most important thing that we do, which is choose a leader.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
But I was telling Emily, I was telling my wife the other day that I consider that a really good thing because like, oh my God, this is like two minutes into it and I'm already mentioning the podcast, The President's Daily Brief. Look, I'm getting much better at this. Good plug. So on The President's Daily Brief, we try to just walk kind of down the middle. We just tell you the news.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
It's one of the most important things we do. We exercise our right to vote. And if you're going to fuck with that, and if you are willfully making it so that it's easier to deceive people, that's crazy. That's crazy that we don't put a stop to that.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah, you would think that that would be the default position is how do we mitigate the risk, right? And let's do it, again, fine, without voter suppression. Don't make it difficult for a particular community or group or whatever to vote. Of course not. But... I don't think it's asking too much to just say, okay, proof of citizenship, please.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
That's not a big issue. In Texas, they've canceled out a million potential votes that would have been illegal. See if you can find that. Wow. So they found a bunch of people, I think a half a million that were registered to vote that were dead. And then there's a bunch of other people that were registered that were ineligible.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
And so the way they're framing it in Texas, the way I saw it framed in one newspaper that Ken Paxton is going after Latinos because he doesn't want them to vote. 1.1 million ineligible voters removed from Texas voter rolls. So Texas has removed 1.1 million.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
That's a lot, folks. Look at that, 457,000 were deceased.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yes, 457,000 deceased people, 6,500 potential non-citizens. And so the top Texas Republicans have dedicated significant time and resources to targeting voter fraud, though cases in Texas are exceedingly rare. Well, I mean, the thing is... Just the fact that that's going on, that they found a million people that shouldn't be eligible. God damn, that could shift an election. How many people vote?
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Oh, look, Georgia was decided by what, 12,000, 1,200 votes?
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#2197 - Mike Baker
It was some ridiculously small number, right? And that's the way this is going to be in November. The only people that matter going into November, frankly, are the undecideds.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
When you look at the accusations of voter fraud in 2020, does any of it stick? Does any of it where you look at and go, that is weird?
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#2197 - Mike Baker
I would say that in our current system, I don't have any evidence of actual, you know, I can't point to actual moments and say, yeah, look at that. That was voter fraud. But I will say this. You may have heard me mention that I have a company, Portman Square Group, that does a lot of things, including fraud investigations.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
You know, the President's Daily Brief, by the way, our YouTube channel, at President's Daily Brief, is killing it. I'm told. Congratulations. I'm told. I'm not sure.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
So you, what, in terms of our system, I interrupt you to tell you how awesome you are, but the system that we have, is there any evidence that you can point to that says this doesn't look right?
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Well, what I was going to say was that while I don't have evidence to a particular moment in time, As someone who's done a lot of fraud investigations, you look for the opportunity to commit fraud, right? And it's like what you were just saying a moment ago, right? If you can button it up and make it more secure, why wouldn't you, right?
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Here's the top things that are happening. what I find is I get angry messages from both sides because I'm not staking out a position. I'm just saying, here's what's happening. And for the most part, we try to avoid context or atmosphere for the most part, but you're just pissing everybody off.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
And so we've created an environment where there's definitely potential for fraud. There's no doubt about it. More so than if you had voter, you know, I.D. or just you had to provide I.D. to show citizenship. And if you did it in person and if you got the results and you didn't have massive early voting and you didn't have drop boxes and, you know, ballot harvesting. But.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
So we've got a process now that has created a wider playing field for people who may want to commit fraud. And so I'm a cynical person. So that to me says, yeah, there's going to be fraud or there has been fraud. Don't have specific examples, but I just know from looking at a lot of fraud over the years. That's the way it works.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Well, voter fraud has always been a thing. Yeah. Right. Voter fraud has been a real problem from the beginning of voting because people are creepy and people like to game the system and they like to cheat. They like to steal and they like to do things where their side wins.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
And if they can figure out, look, just think about the way they talk about Trump, the existential threat to democracy, kleptocrat, all these crazy terms that they use. They like they can call him Hitler. And then everything you do to keep Hitler from being in power is a good thing, including fraud. Yeah.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah. That's where it gets scary, because then guess what? Fuck face. You set a precedent. And now if the Republicans get in power and they do the same thing and use the same playbook, then they're stealing it. Yeah. Yeah. And you can't fucking do that if you care about America. If you really are a patriot, you can't do that.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Obviously, you had to make some adjustments to the way that people could vote, right, to accommodate the fact that you had a once-in-a-generation, hopefully, pandemic. I'm sure we're going to have another one. God damn it. The WHO has declared a global health crisis for Africa, for monkeypox. They released that. They stopped. They stopped it. Okay.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Let's try it because I think – let's look at that because I think that's also because of pushback because people are like, first of all, what are you talking about? Who's getting this?
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's – I think they even pushed back on the name Monkeypox. It's Mpox. Mpox. Mpox. Okay.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Well, it was primarily an issue with the gay community in the beginning. So in the beginning, when they tried to call it a national health emergency, they tried to do this a couple of years ago. In the middle of COVID, when people were starting to be a little bit more active and less worried about COVID, they tried to push this Monkeypox thing. Yeah. But there's only four people died from it.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
People want to get mad, first of all, that's the thing. Like Andrew Huberman was talking about that today, that the things that when they study, like what excites people, what people gravitate towards, it's 100% more potent to get angry about things.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah, and they did say that the most recent, which was just within the past couple of weeks, I believe, alert or crisis alert for the entire continent of Africa was because it was more virulent. It was more aggressive.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah, and so because it was going to be more aggressive or because it was proving to be more aggressive than they call it, but I forgot that they changed the name to MPOCs.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Did they drop the national or world health emergency? Did they drop that? Because I was reading something that said they did.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
When I Google it, it's only showing me like two days ago there was an uptick in New York City. Oh, God.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah, I wonder where. It's a bathhouse disease all of a sudden.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Wall Street? Yeah. Where? I see from like two weeks ago they had the alert, but I don't see anything about a recall or like a withdrawal or anything.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
But I digress. Maybe try withdrawal. So we expanded the voting parameters or the ability to vote for that moment in time for the pandemic. And yes, you would think reasonable people would say, we don't have the pandemic. Let's at least go back to where we were before the pandemic. Right. In terms of when we could vote and and how. But that didn't happen.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
And so then you have to ask yourself, being a reasonable person, well, why? Would people just love the new process so much? They thought, oh, my God, we have to keep this? Or was there some benefit to it that they saw? Anyway, again, I would be speculating if I pointed to a particular state or incident and say that was an obvious case of voter fraud.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
But I do know for a fact that when you expand the playing field for fraud, someone's going to fill that gap. They're going to come in and take advantage of it. And like you said, people want to win.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
I'm just scared because of the rhetoric. And I'm not just scared because I want one side to win. I'm scared because I think that by overzealously wanting their side to win and doing it so in a way that really isn't fair, that you set up a precedent where anybody can do that in the future. And they think they're justified in doing that.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
And I feel like there's a lot of people that think 2020 was stolen. And Trump has said it over and over again. But by the way, Hillary said it in 2016 over and over again.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah, I think you're right. There must be some sort of chemical release in being outraged, right, that makes people feel good?
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah. They said Russia. And then there's always people saying he's a Russian plant. Russia put him into power. Russian disinformation is why he got... And meanwhile... You know, they were actively doing disinformation on their own, especially with the Biden laptop thing. Zuckerberg coming out and saying that thing yesterday was fucking huge. Yeah. That was huge.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
And releasing that statement because Mayorkas, didn't he, when he was testifying, he said they didn't do that under oath. So is that perjury? Yeah. Well...
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#2197 - Mike Baker
You know, not being a lawyer, but I would I would think that you had you had conflicting things because you would also have you would also have someone in government, you know, almost bragging about the fact that, you know, look, we're getting this disinformation taken down during the pandemic. And so, yeah, Zuckerberg coming out and making this statement. I agree with it is huge.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
I think it's in our wiring, in our DNA, because we always had to look out for threats. So you find things that you perceive are threats or things that are going to be a problem, and you get angry about them, and you do it on social media instead of in the jungle.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
It's sort of Zuckerberg going, eh, what are you going to do?
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#2197 - Mike Baker
We're going to do better next time. Well, he said, we're not going to engage in that anymore. We're going to push back. And he said, they're not going to promote one side or the other.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
There's a brilliant thought. Crazy. Yeah. It's crazy. Oh, my God. Really? So you run a free speech platform and you're not going to promote one or the other. Well, what a fucking douchebag to now come up with the idea. Right. Yeah. So and I'm sure he's a smart fellow. But he's a smart fellow.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
But I think he's also in an enormous corporation. And it's not like he's the only guy pulling strings over there.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah. I'm sure that's true. That's like when Musk took over Twitter and you had a lot of people jump and ship just, oh, I'm so upset because now I can't engage in this censorship that I've been engaged in. Yeah, exactly.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
But it is a cesspool over there now. You see some wild shit on Twitter, but you have to see the horrible shit if you want to see everything. If you want to see everything, that means even things you don't agree with and don't like. That's part of free speech. And this is what Musk has been saying, and I 100% agree with him. And I wonder where we would be if he hadn't bought Twitter. I really do.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Because there wouldn't be a platform like that where anybody can freely talk about anything and not worry about being... Your account getting taken down and getting in trouble with the government.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah. I mean, I don't think people would have migrated in mass to what's Trump's thing? Truth social. I don't think that didn't work. That didn't work out. And then he's got 90 million followers. I read on X now. Oh, yeah, he's back on X. He's back on, but he's already up to 90 million.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Well, that's, and you look at polls on X when they've done, I think Musk might have done one. I think there's a few of them. It's like 73% said they're voting for Trump. Yeah. But you look on the polls that you see on television, Harris is ahead.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah. Three points. Exactly. I was going to say, it's neck and neck, or Trump may have a two-point or three-point lead in a place like Georgia. But for the most part, she's pulled even and is slightly ahead.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
This is the problem. Yeah. There were a lot of people arguing about how accurate any polling is anymore.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Because Hillary Clinton was like 84% to win. Well, somebody knocks on your door. They call you up and say, are you going to vote for Trump? There's a lot of people out there that may decide, okay, I'm going to vote for Trump, but I'm not going to tell you I'm going to vote for Trump.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah, I think... With the Trump thing, though, I was surprised at how, because it was about a day and a half, maybe, maybe it was 36 hours, of, oh, fuck, how could this happen? Look what we created, this environment. We have to be more civil with each other. And that was a big push from the Democrats, right? You remember Biden and Harris talking about... We've got to be more civil.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
No, that seems unreasonable. So, yeah, again, I don't know that you can trust a lot of the polls for either side, right? But I will say there's gonna be one unhappy group regardless of the result.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
I'm scared of the violence Yeah, I'm scared that whichever side loses they they might erupt You know, it's got a whole keep their shit together, but I think Even above and beyond if people can do that and keep their shit together and not not you know Not get in into a violent situation. We're still going to be dealing then with four years of
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#2197 - Mike Baker
of just dysfunctional bullshit, right, from one side or the other. Right. Just harping on this and people having investigations and committees up on Capitol Hill. And you get to this point where it's just paralysis. Right. Shit doesn't get done. And, you know, I don't know.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
I think this one, I say this and then I piss off a lot of people who are very pro-Trump, but I'm really worried that, you know, because, again, I don't know. I don't have a dog in the hunt for either individual. I just like policies, right? And particularly, I like national security issues and homeland security concerns and things like that.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
You can't really argue that the Republicans are the party of small government or fiscal responsibility anymore. But I think certainly for border concerns, for national security, I'm definitely on that side. So I'm worried that, you know, Trump is, he's got a ceiling, right? He's got all the people who are always going to vote for him. There's no doubt about that.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
But you don't really have to care about, well, you do care about them, but you don't have to worry about them, right? That ceiling only gets higher and allows him to win if he gets some of those moderates and the undecideds, the people who- Well, I think that's where RFK Jr.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Tulsi Gabbard, yeah. What do you think about that? That's interesting. It's pretty powerful. Yeah. I mean, a Democrat senator, she was a congresswoman for eight years.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
I think she could actually move the needle more than RFK Jr.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
I at least appreciate the fact that Bernie Sanders is consistent in his socialist beliefs. But I think, was J.D. Vance the best choice? Eh, I don't know. I mean, he's Ohio. Were we in danger of losing Ohio? I don't think so.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
I think Trump likes a weak middle act. I don't think, you know, as a headliner, I don't think I want someone to upstage him. You know? It's like a lot of comics like that. They take a guy in the row with them. You want him to do okay, but not great. Exactly.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
I don't want to be back there and hear this standing ovation.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah, Ron White will fire a strong middle act. He tells me. He's open about it. He talks about it all the time. I want to be the funniest person on that stage, and if I'm not, you got to go. Yeah.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
I love the honesty. So maybe that was it. But I was puzzled. I thought he might pick a female for his running mate.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah, I thought so too, maybe. But I think maybe he's worried about some Republican men don't want a female. Or some people that are on the fence don't want a female.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah. It depends if it's a hot female. Like who? Scarlett Johansson. Whoa. I don't think she's voting Republican.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Oh, yeah. Good point. She's not going to... She's not going to flop over to the other side.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
We've got to dial it back and turn down the temperature. And that lasted, for that side, that lasted almost no time at all. Less than two days. Yeah.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Who's like a hot Republican female that's famous? Amber Rose. She's all pro-Trump now.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Never heard of her. You don't know who she is? No. Sidney Sweeney. Is Sidney Sweeney a Republican? I doubt it. She just hosted SNL.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
That's what's really crazy when you watch Trump on The View from like 2015 when they all loved him. Yeah, that's right. Played that the other day.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
How about Oprah? Oprah was talking about her and Trump running together.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
And now she's speaking to the DNC that he's a threat to democracy. It's going to end it. And she's up there talking about income inequality. Like, hey lady. Yeah, I know. You're rich as fuck. Like, how is that equal? And also, when Michelle Obama was saying, you know, I think she was saying her mother or grandmother was always suspicious of people who took more than they needed.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
You are worth so much money. I'm kidding me. That's so crazy.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
You did it on a civil servant's salary, which is insane.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Oh, they all do, right? Yeah. Look at... I haven't seen the latest figures, but I'd love to know the current personal wealth of AOC. You know, the bartender who turned congresswoman. Probably doing pretty well. I think she's doing quite well. Ilhan Omar. I think they're all doing fairly well. Even, to be fair, Bernie Sanders, who I just said stood on principle. But, you know, hey, he's making bank.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
And they were back calling him a piece of shit and a liar.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah, I... I don't know. Maybe I'm drawing a blank on hot Republican women other than my wife.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Want to see a picture of Amber Rose? Sure. Show them Amber Rose.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
I didn't know where you were going with that. Take out a piece of a photograph that you tore out of a magazine.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah, and a threat to democracy, and he's got to be stopped. Unbelievable. And, you know, now to be fair, neither side really stuck to the idea. I would argue, if Trump...
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#2197 - Mike Baker
What does she do? What is her actual job, Jamie? She had a baby with Wiz Khalifa.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
I would say you could call her a model, probably. A model. Influencer model. Okay.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Influencer slash model. Maybe model first, influencer second. She a vlogger? That's a thing. She's got a forehead tattoo. What does it say?
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#2197 - Mike Baker
no regrets something slash slash slash slash anyway pretty hot yeah well no for sure I'm not sure about the forehead tattoo though yeah I think that's gotta go but they can laser that off later but she likes Trump so that might be like the hottest one currently available
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Okay. Pretty hot. Yeah. There you go. Look, her forehead tattoo was in cursives. So, you know, there was some tattoo artist out there who still knows cursive. Back in the day. Yeah. Probably an older guy. Some grizzled guy. Popeye on his arm. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, yeah. Middle East's on fire. I wish we'd probably talk about that a little bit, maybe. Fucking Middle East.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah, well, obviously there's Gaza, but there's also a lot of hot spots popping off.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah. Yeah. There's a shit ton of hot spots going on right now. And it's all down to Iran. I think we've talked about this once or twice before. And I think I've been accused of promoting regime change, which I'm not. I'm saying, well, OK, I am as long, you know, but it should happen inside. Right.
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And you'd like to think that one day and I'm sure that. Every administration in the U.S. for decades now has been imagining that would happen. That'd be a popular uprising that would actually change the regime. And then you might actually get something that could resemble long term peace.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
If Trump had just said, you know what, from a strategic point of view, maybe it's not me, maybe it's not what I want to do, but from a strategic point of view, if after that attempt had happened and he had just walked that civil line and said, you know, I've had a reflective moment, and if he had kept the high road, think about the disparity there.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
But right now, all this crap that's happening related to Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis, Islamic Jihad, militias in Iraq and Syria. It's all down to Iran, right? And just over the past, goddammit, over the past four days, this past weekend, Hezbollah and Israel had the largest exchange of fire that they've had in, well, in ages, right? And you have to go back to actual war between the two.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
And I will say, this is the amazing thing. And this is why I think people always say, well, how come Iran hasn't retaliated for the death of Ismail Hanyai when they took him out in Tehran? Part of me thinks that the reason they haven't is because that operation to take out Khanye in Tehran, he was in a safe house on an IRGC compound in Tehran. So you would imagine that's a pretty secure place.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
It's pretty buttoned up. And it's a safe house that Khanye had been to in the past on a handful of occasions. So, the idea that Mossad and other elements of Israeli intelligence could develop assets in Tehran within the IRGC that allow them to carry out that operation – if they did, I'm not saying they did, but if they did –
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#2197 - Mike Baker
is remarkable, and it shows the depth of their abilities in terms of identifying targets for possible recruitment, and then working those targets, and then recruiting them, and then tasking them. Inside a safe house in an IRGC-guarded compound in Tehran, They had to have assets who were willing to walk in there with explosive devices, because there's more than one, and put them in there.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Those folks, you know, got off the X. They got out of country, you know, you would think. And they had to have a trigger there. They still had to have an asset who could say, you know, go or no go, because Kanye now is back in the safe house at, you know, midnight or 1 a.m. or 2 a.m. And so it's time to, you know, cross the red wire with the green wire. And... That's amazing.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
And so I think, in part, that has completely freaked out. Maybe it says, how old am I? Freaked out. They're so freaked out. The Iranian leadership and the IRGC, they don't know what the depth of that penetration is by Mossad and others. And so the idea that this is happening, and I guess the point there is, then you look at what they did to the Hezbollah commander, Fuad Shukur. in Beirut.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
And getting him to move, he was in a building, a multi-story building, and they wanted him to move up to his residence, which was on the top floor. And he was in his office, which was, I think, the second floor of that building. And they were able to orchestrate a call to get him to go up to the top deck so he could be an easier target, and they could minimize casualties, and took him out.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Because the Democrats, they would have, first of all, they would have gone crazy because they wouldn't have known what to do. But they also wouldn't have been able to help themselves. So they would have turned into, you know, they would have thrown the hand grenades again as usual. And then you would have had Trump over here being the reasonable one and being the reflective and civil one.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
So now you've got that ability. You've got that sort of thing going on. How did they do that? Well, you have to have assets. You have to recruit people who are in a position to be able to do that, who have access, who can tell you things, who can identify something as simple as his routine. He typically goes upstairs to the top deck at 7 o'clock or whatever.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Or you have to have someone who's willing and has got access to make that call to get him to go upstairs. And how did they get him when he went upstairs? Drone strike. And drones have completely changed the game. Everything. But then this massive barrage that took place over the weekend between Hezbollah and Israel, amazingly –
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#2197 - Mike Baker
The leader of Hezbollah, a fellow named Nasrallah, he has said, in the wake of that, he's talked about their attack. And he said that the timing of it was a quarter after 5 in the morning. 5.15 in the morning, we're going to launch this barrage. At 4.55 in the morning, Israel sends about 100 jets. over the border to attack launch sites, right?
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#2197 - Mike Baker
So once again, they had this intelligence, this advanced knowledge, right? So I think that and a variety of other hits that they've been able to accomplish, Mohamed Def and some of these other characters, I think that the Iranian regime and the IRGC, right now, there's a level of paranoia. It's like the old IRA days. The IRA was worried about infiltration, you know, back in the troubles.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
And it created a lot of infighting, right? It created a lot of disappearances. And you're getting that, too. After that Hanyeh hit in Tehran... A number of IRGC people were interrogated about, you know, they were trying to figure out where's the leaks here. And that just leads to an ever-widening circle of interrogations and disappearances. So in that infighting, I'm not saying it's bad. Yeah.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
It's like getting a cartel to infight, right? Start killing each other. Anyway, so that's one thing that I'm thinking, because people are always asking, how come Iran hasn't retaliated for the Hanyeh hit yet? And part of it is also, I think they're worried about... legitimately getting into a direct conflict with Israel.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
They understand that the U.S., regardless of where the Biden administration may be and how less they would like not to be in that conflict, they're going to have to be in the conflict. And so Iran can't win that. And so I think they're worried about that as well. So there's reasons behind it. But, you know, there's a lot going on. Israel has just launched a massive operation in West Bank.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
So they're up in the northern portion of the West Bank going after militants up there. And Hamas and Islamic Jihad and some others operate in the West Bank, even though the Palestinian Authority runs it. So they're up north. They've just moved in overnight, basically. And they're going after terrorist elements up there. But Iran has been shoving weapons into the West Bank.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
That's the scorpion and the frog. I forgot about that story. That's right. The scorpion eats it right across the pond.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Because what they want to do is, if you think about where Israel is, you think about Gaza's on the west side, Hezbollah's up north, West Bank's over on the east. They want to create more of a front on the east side. And they basically got them engulfed. And so they've been funneling weapons and resources into the West Bank for several years.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
They've got smuggling routes going through Lebanon, going through Syria, going through Jordan. So I guess my point being, all this shit is down to the Iranian regime and the IRGC. So when people talk about, we've got to get a ceasefire, we've got to work for a lasting peace, unless you get rid of those guys, there's no lasting peace.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Now, what happened during when Biden was in office, I guess he's kind of still in office, where they released somewhere in the neighborhood of $6 billion to Iran that they had tied up? Yeah.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
They released it. And their point was it's where we're controlling it. We're not really releasing it sitting over in Qatar. And it can be used for humanitarian purposes only. And we're doing that in part because, look, they've had a policy of appeasement towards Iran for for the entire Biden administration.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah, exactly. It's the same thing. I mean, that guy loves to talk shit. He's calling Tim Walz Tampon Tim now. Yeah. He's so good at it. It's such a good nickname. He's so good at it. He's so good at that shit. Oh, my God.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
And, you know, they've been desperate and they've been very open about wanting to get back into the, you know, the 2015 nuclear agreement that was created under the Obama administration. But the idea is, look, they essentially gave $6 billion. They advised the Iranian regime that you now have $6 billion available to you for humanitarian purposes, which, you know, it's all fungible.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
So it frees up other money, right, that they can now use to help to resource the Houthis or help to resource Hezbollah or Hamas, whatever. They don't make a secret of it, right? It's like Putin talking about how he wants to recreate the old Soviet Union in some fashion. The Iranian regime has stated over and over again they want the destruction of Israel, right?
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#2197 - Mike Baker
And that's why they built up all these terrorist elements. They've got the same objective because their puppet master is Iran. So I don't want to oversimplify this, but it's not that hard to oversimplify because it's just the way it is. Iran is at the top of this thing and they're causing all of this instability because Iran
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Ultimately, they want to see Israel removed from the map, which sounds to me like genocide. But, you know, it's it's Israel that's constantly accused of genocide. They're driving the narrative. The other side, Palestinian supporters and others have been very good at driving the narrative. And so I don't know. But so anyway, point being is the Middle East is a bit of a fucked up mess.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
It is a bit of a fucked up mess. And it's kind of always a fucked up mess. There's never been a time in my life where you weren't worried about something popping off in the Middle East.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah. Well, in part because we've had the same bad actors there with the same objective for all these years. Right. And. There's, you know, there's no indication that that's going to change anytime soon. Right. I mean, we don't nobody wants to get in the game anymore of regime change. Never seems to work out so good. It's a problem. Yeah. Oh, God. Nobody ever says Libya, right?
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#2197 - Mike Baker
So I give you a lot of credit because nobody ever talks about Libya anymore. It's a hot mess. And we kind of agreed with the French and Italians to go in there and get rid of Gaddafi, even though he was... For a while, he was helping us out in counterterrorism. I don't want to make more than that than it is, but he was there and he would provide some assistance related to counterterrorism. But...
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Suddenly, it was, oh, sure, we'll help the French and Italians. They were the only ones with any national interests in Libya to speak of. And now it's a disaster.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Well... God, I'm having a Biden moment that you'd have to go back and I'd have to look and see what they were what they're arguing about.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Look at what we're getting. We're getting Harris and we're getting Walsh. Unbelievable.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah, I'm sure it was. You know, look, Libya was, you know, it's been a kind of a the the revenue stream coming out of Libya, such as it is for oil and gas has always been. mostly in the hands of the French, the Italians, their oil companies, so Total and others. I think right now, look, the place has 130 plus tribes. There's no central government. It's a massive place, right, to be fair.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
There's no central government. There's warring factions now constantly. But I guess the point being that nobody ever talks about it anymore. Yeah. So we just disappear. We just let it go. It's like Afghanistan. Yeah. I'm tired of it. Let's get the fuck out.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
It really got highlighted for two very specific reasons. One, the Hillary Clinton moment where she was being interviewed and she got a phone call or a text message saying that there is apparently an unconfirmed report that Gaddafi had been captured. And then he was dead. And so while she's doing the thing, we came, we saw he died. And she's laughing, which is just a terrible look for anybody.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
What do you think about Walsh's descriptions of his military career? Because there's there's some issues there that people have. I don't know if he flat out ever said that he served in Afghanistan, but he certainly didn't dissuade people from saying that he was when they were saying he didn't correct them.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Forget about someone who's the Secretary of State, but someone who... is a person who's talking about some guy that they just had killed, and she's laughing. It was just a crazy moment. So then everybody's like, well, what the fuck happened in Libya? And then there was the video of Qaddafi actually being captured by the rebels where they stick that bayonet up his ass, and you're like, yo.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
It's like hanging Mussolini upside down and, you know, beating him.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
When they're parading him around, you see the look in his eyes when he knows it's over. Yeah. When they've got him.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah. Well, look, I mean, he was nobody's idea of a benevolent leader. Yeah, there he is right there.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah. They're beating him up. See if you can get the video. The video is what's crazy. Yeah. The look in his eyes, the fucking terror in that guy's eyes. What's the real reason why they killed Muammar Gaddafi? If you could just go to videos or anything of it.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
It was a bunch of other videos. That's why it looked like it was people doing their own commentary on it.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah. Killed by a bullet in the stomach and a band-aid up his ass.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah, it's a crazy video, man. The video is very, who shot Qaddafi? Probably everybody shot him eventually. Yeah. Interesting. Well, video certainly exists. You probably get it on Telegram of all places, which is where I would go. That's where I go if like when there was Ukraine footage, a lot of crazy shit that you could see, you would get it on Telegram because they wouldn't censor it.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
And I don't exactly know how Telegram works because I don't use it that much, but I guess you could start a channel and then anybody can kind of go to your channel and you could post things. Is this it right here? Yeah, this is it. decoding Qaddafi's death I can help you with that so this is just them having him captured and he's bleeding and they're beating the shit out of him yeah they're not
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#2197 - Mike Baker
It's all in slow motion. So it's almost like stop motion video.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
I think someone's probably talking. It says decoding the thing.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
That video that said the real reason. Suggestions say he was trying to start a global currency for Africa or something.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
God, that's why I never got into that project. Yeah, fuck all that.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah, fuck that. But, yeah, I mean, to that point, yeah, we do tend to, you know, get in, get out. There might be a mess left behind.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah, it never works out well. Yeah. I mean, even Iraq. Look at Iraq. The chaos, the fact that they didn't know that the Sunnis and the Shias were going to fight is nuts. How do you not understand there's two competing factors of Islam that are there?
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Or the idea that we would think, okay, well, I guess the Taliban is going to keep their promise and they're going to worry about women's rights. That's important for them. Yeah, that's been one of their cornerstones.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Well, what's really important, we left them $6 billion worth of weapons. When they had that parade the other day when they're flying around?
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Right. There was things he did and he didn't. And you can look at interviews and and there's no pushback. There's no like, excuse me, you know, I didn't go to Iraq. Exactly. And I retired, you know, as my unit was deploying. And so... Well, you retired a couple months before. A couple months before, yes. What is the whole story behind it? They know that they're going, right?
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Oh, a lot more than that in terms of monetary value. I mean, shit, you could go upwards of maybe $80 billion in gear. Really? All in, right? All in.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
When they had that parade the other day and they got tanks and Blackhawks, you're like, what? Yeah, yeah. So they know how to fly that stuff?
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#2197 - Mike Baker
So maybe, who knows? Maybe they'll ask that tomorrow night. Because I think it was Biden who said that. Yeah, here it is. Here's their parade.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
It's like, this is fucking bananas. This is all our stuff, and they're all driving around with our stuff with fucking missiles. Like, they have missiles? They didn't have missiles? Now they do? This is fucking bananas. The fact that this is all our gear, taxpayers paid for all this stuff, and they just left it there. It looks good. Nice white walls. Look at that. Clean tires, armor all...
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#2197 - Mike Baker
What the fuck? They have so much stuff. That's so crazy that these people were basically like tribal mountain warlords and now they've got Blackhawks.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah, yeah. Well, again, going back to at the beginning and what kind of interview we're going to be looking at for tomorrow evening with Harrison Walsh.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
uh you'd like to think that they say look you you've been here now for a while and you've been around and you've kind of seen a lot um you know would you like to talk about the afghan withdrawal you know maybe just you know talk about what's your policy towards you know the middle east what ask some serious legitimate questions but i you know who knows again i hope that happens i just don't think it i don't think it will i think they picked this for a reason
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah, I think this is going to be a nice little softball pitch. Nice underhand lobs. We know where the ball's coming. You can knock it out of the park. They're game planning right now, planning it out.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah, I just, again, it's the lack of It's that thing that I don't I understand. And I keep saying the same thing. I get it. Their argument is always the same. But but Trump. But you would think, OK, set that fucking thing aside for a minute and ask yourself, is this the best choice you've got? Does this make sense compared to what you thought a month and a half ago?
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#2197 - Mike Baker
But now, again, they're very good at this. So that's that's the thought I have is if the Republicans think somehow. And they thought it was a cakewalk, right? When it was Biden, to be fair, it was.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Everything got real complicated after she had that one good speech.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Because that's all people need to see, someone who seems younger, more vital, and acts presidential.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah. Yeah, that's the part I'm having a hard time with. A leader.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Act like one in this small speech, and most people are low-information voters. When you think the majority of people are headline readers, they're not reading the whole article. Low information voters.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah. Well, and certainly... Yeah, you're right. You get consumed with this, right? But then you have to assume that the vast majority of people, to your point, don't, right? They take a couple of headlines, they take a couple of things, and they go, fine, I've made my choice. I can't be bothered to think about it anymore because it's fucking boring or I've got too much else to do.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
I've got to put food on the table. So, yeah, I suppose so.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah, and they're also ideologically committed to a team.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
and it's very difficult to get people to switch teams especially when the guy on the other side is someone like Trump you know if you have someone who's like a little bit more balanced like Vivek let's say Trump didn't exist and Vivek makes it like that's a much more reasonable person for most people he's got great temperament he's really good at staying calm in the middle of like heated debates and recognizing a person's point and then adding on to it I think he's
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#2197 - Mike Baker
It's not like they suddenly get a paper, you know, on one day. There's a buildup to that, and they're aware of it. And so, you know, even his personnel were saying, look, we all knew we were going. He knew he was going. No, okay, fine. He made the decision, right? But I think...
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#2197 - Mike Baker
amazing at it yeah he's much more and he also he he sounds more familiar in the sense that he's you know he's eloquent about when he when he talks i was surprised that trump didn't pick him as vp yeah yeah maybe he didn't want it he said he didn't want to be vp maybe he's telling the truth maybe he wants to be president and he feels like this is not the time if he doesn't get the nomination yeah yeah that guy's brilliant
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#2197 - Mike Baker
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#2197 - Mike Baker
I think he said that. Didn't Trump say that he's going to put Gabbard and an RFK Jr. on his campaign staff, on his advisory? Something. It was more than just like an advisor or something like that. It was a fairly senior role in the campaign. Yeah.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Well, they're out there with him. Yeah. So it seems like that's the case. And that's a wise move on his part. Yeah. Because they're dealing with a massive propaganda machine that's been propped up to support Kamala. And they've done it in a weird way where they were just a few months ago talking about her as being a problem. She was a liability at one point. Oh, yeah. No, for quite a long time.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Openly discussed her as a liability. Yeah. And just in the short period of time, if all you do is look at what she's saying in a limited fashion because she hasn't said much about her positions on things compared to what she did say, again, same thing. Leading into this interview, you would think that's a lot of fodder for the person that's handling the interview, Dana Bash or whoever. Yeah.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
To say, well, okay, wait a minute. You were all in on, pick something.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
She was the deciding vote where they were going to go after waitresses for taxes on tips. He comes along and says, I'm not going to tax tips. And then she comes along just a short time. time period afterwards. And Parrot's the exact same things that he said. And now the most recent one, she's going to build a border wall.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
She's going to build a border wall. She's all in on the border wall. $685 million. Get that done. When she had called it a complete scam and waste of taxpayer money just a handful of years ago, she was all in on EVs. We're going to get rid of fossil fuels. You're not going to be able to drive that fucking gas truck. And somebody smashed into my truck, by the way, the other day.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
With his, what do you want to call it, padding of his resume for political purposes, obviously, when he was running for Congress.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah, I just got completely T-boned. This guy just pulled out into the road, didn't even look. I was staring at him. Probably on his phone.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
God, I love that Kamala Harris. And then he just, bam, right into my truck. And I swerved. Luckily, there was nobody on my left-hand side. But I swerved so I wouldn't hit him head-on, you know, engine block to engine block. So he caught the right driver's side front panel. And because I was swerving, it just took the whole side of that truck because he was still going. This was in Idaho?
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#2197 - Mike Baker
This was in Idaho, yeah. Normally, I always think we've got great drivers in Idaho. But anyway, so that happened. How was the interaction between you and the guy? I was really angry. I was really angry. I pulled over, and he pulled over, and I was fucking livid because I could look at him. But I was moving. I was doing about 35 miles on a decent-sized road, right?
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#2197 - Mike Baker
And there's two lanes on that road and two lanes on the other side going the opposite direction. And he just didn't even bother to say he was going to exit and come out onto the road and join the traffic. He just didn't even bother to wait.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
There's more than one thing, too, right? He said he was a head coach. Yeah, he was a head coach. He was not a head coach. He was an assistant coach, which is an honorable thing. There's nothing wrong with being an assistant coach. Yeah. Absolutely. And he also inflated his actual rank, right? He was slated to achieve a certain rank. Right. And how did it go?
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#2197 - Mike Baker
he just he just pulled right in front so he yeah to your point he was he was busy doing something else and so i park and i'm just steaming i'm getting out of the truck and luckily emily was there luckily she wasn't hurt because she was in the passenger side and she said no no no you you sit here i'll take care of this because i was just so angry and uh and uh
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#2197 - Mike Baker
In part because she was in the car, right? And in part because I was driving to the vet to pick up my big dog, the golden retriever. And thank God he wasn't in the back of the truck, right? Right. When we got hit. So anyway, but I calmed down after a while. The guy was, you know, fine. He was nice enough. He was very apologetic and all that, but...
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Anyway, so – man, I can disappear down a rabbit hole quicker than anybody. So she's all in on EVs just a handful of years ago. She's – goddammit, we got to be all electric vehicles by 2035 or 2040. And she's on news shows talking about this. This is my policy. This is what I want. And now her staff is saying, oh, no, she never did that.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
They just – they don't see anything wrong with telling people – That, you know, here's the truth. You just don't pay attention to anything that we did before. Don't pay attention to the fact that she's been vice president for all this time.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
She has nothing to do with the Biden administration decisions, even though she was there, even though President Biden said, oh, usually she's the last person in the room when we talk about the important things. And now they just want everybody to buy this bullshit. Right. Because she's younger and she's a woman and there's a good vibe.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
I wish that he would go and do a tell-all. Who, Biden? Yeah. Tell us what happened.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
And I was fighting the Smurfs. I was in a foxhole with corn pop. And, uh... Cannibals ate my uncle. Uncle Posey.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
I think it was Uncle Posey. I mean, but if you could get him lucid enough for him to explain what they did and how they did it. Yeah.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
And who came to him and what they said. You know what they did? You know what it is? It's the Democrats. I hadn't thought about this before, but they got a kind of a habit of this. Look what they did to RFK Jr. Look what they did to Bernie Sanders. Remember him? Oh, yeah. Pushing him out in 2016. 2016 and then again in 2020. Oh, yeah. So this is kind of in their playbook. Yeah.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
So pushing Biden out was that they just, you know, turn the chapter back. Let's see. What do we do with Sanders?
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Oh, it seems they're just doing this to save democracy by subverting democracy.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
You got to save democracy by putting someone into the position to be running for president that nobody voted for.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Nobody voted for that. Well, yeah, I think Biden fucked them. I think by endorsing her when he was leaving, he fucked them. Yeah. Well, that's just my theory.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
But think about this. How how would they how would they have come up with any other decision? Because if you think about what's his name? Shapiro in Pennsylvania or Westmore or these other candidates, even Gavin Newsom, although he doesn't have a hope in hell. Pete Buttigieg, who I think always fancies himself to be president. Good luck. Right.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
All these people, though, that, well, what do they have in common? Well, they're white men. Okay. How could they possibly throw their hat in the ring against Kamala Harris and have a political future for the next election? Right, right, right.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Like, he had to commit to the fact that he wasn't going to retire in order to achieve his rank? Is that what it was?
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah. And so they would have gotten the RFK Jr. treatment. And they knew that was probably the death call for their political career in the Dem Party. So they may not have had really any option.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
But wasn't there also something about the campaign war chest? Like to get access to the money that was already in there, you had to be a part of the ticket?
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah, and so that was – I'm sure – okay, this sounds odd to say that cash might have played a role in politics. You think? It doesn't sound right. It's legal, isn't it? It doesn't sound right. I think it's – yeah, so you're right. That was a part of it. But the point being is maybe it's – it wasn't so much a – it was a very calculated, obviously, thing that –
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#2197 - Mike Baker
He didn't finish, essentially, the program, the coursework, you know, for a command sergeant major.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
nobody really cared about on the Democratic side. They were just waiting for someone to tell them what to do. And once they did and said, okay, it's Kamala, everyone was like, oh my God, she's fabulous. She's the best ever. She's the best ever. I know I said she was a midwit who's failed upwards spectacularly before, but now she's fantastic. And they've all lined up in really impressive fashion.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
So anyway, that's- Their previous statements are all on record, unfortunately. Yeah. Yeah. Nothing dies anymore on the internet except for Gaddafi. He's definitely, he definitely died on the internet.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Died like a dog. Died like a dog. You ever see Shane Gillis' bit on that? It's fantastic.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
He has the best Trump impression. It is. It is really. Fucking dead on.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
He's really good. Yeah. He's really good at impressions. But that one in particular, he doesn't do a lot of impressions, but the ones he can do.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
He does the sucking in, showing the lower teeth. That's so good. Oh, Baghdadi. Tied like a dog.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Well, I mean, he had the rank, right? He was awarded—I think he had gone to— Where did he go? I think he went to Italy on an assignment. Look, so he's in the National Guard, right? So first of all, there was sort of this, I've served for 24 years. He's not really saying that. His supporters and the people on the Democrat side say, well, he served for 24 years. Yes, he did. Okay.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
I know this sounds wrong because what I really want is I want the Republican policies for, again, for national security and other purposes to be in place and to actually focus on important things down the road. And I don't want price controls. That's another thing, by the way, that she's walked back or her team has walked back. She came out with a price control idea for food, for groceries.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Which is fucking communism. Fucking communism. And also, we've got plenty of case studies that show it doesn't work. And not only does it not work, it fails really badly. And no case studies that show it does work. And they're walking it back already. They're walking it back. That's a week ago. Yeah. She reminds me. There was a... Peter Sellers, we talked about Pink Panther.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
There was a Peter Sellers movie called Being There. And she reminds me of his character in Being There called Chance the Gardener. And he was basically just this adult, but people kind of poured their ideas onto him, right? And then imagined that he was brilliant and insightful and a visionary. Right.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah. I can never get enough of that. So, anyway. God. We haven't even talked about Russia. Russia, Russia. Yeah. Yeah.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Well, that's spooky shit that's going on now, too, because Ukraine is now in Russia attacking. That's a...
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#2197 - Mike Baker
If you had said, when we got together the last time, if you said, you think Ukraine might invade Russia? Right. Yeah. First time they've had an invading army on their turf since World War II. Crazy. And now, apparently, it looks like they hold up to, Ukrainian military is holding up to about 500 square miles of territory. Wow. And they've just made some moves in a different section of Russia.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Not the Kursk region, but the Belgorod region. And so they've had some incursions into there like they may think about maybe we're going to open up a second front. And it's, I mean, it is fascinating. The Russians have had, Putin initially kind of dismissed it a little bit. You know, he was sort of like, ah, it's just a one-time thing.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Then they hung in there and then they've established supply lines. And now there's 200,000 plus residents in that region of the Kursk region that have been displaced. So what do you got? You got a lot of population upset about this. Right. So now you got more news internally that isn't a good thing for Putin. He's always worried about, you know, sort of popular unrest like any dictator would be.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
And so it's I mean, it is it is fascinating. And they've been you know, they've been using U.S. and NATO munitions. So remember, the first two years, the Biden White House was like, nope, you can't use U.S. munitions for striking targets inside of Russia. And then recently, it was, okay, just along the border. And now, you know, fuck it, they're well into the Kursk region.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
And, you know, so it is, it's very fascinating. It's also very worrisome, right? You've got Belarus has put a third of their military on the border that they have with Ukraine. And Belarus is run by a guy named Lukashenko, who's basically a Putin puppet. So you have to wonder, are they going to try to stretch Ukraine resources thin? How long can they hold territory inside Russia?
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#2197 - Mike Baker
But it's the National Guard. And that doesn't mean, I'm not disrespecting at all anyone who serves in the National Guard. It's a very honorable thing to do. I'm just saying they're kind of conflating, just like he did with his rank or these other things, the idea that somehow he was Over there for 24 years. Full-time, 24 years in the military.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
I mean, I would argue that basically this is a ploy, and it seems like that's the way it's playing out with some comments from Zelensky over the past couple of days, that it's a move to try to strengthen their hand, to force Putin to the table, to come up with some type of negotiated settlement. And Zelensky came out and said, look, I've got a proposal that I'm going to present to Russia.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Biden or whomever's in charge at the U.N. General Assembly week in September, I think it is in New York. And he's being more open about now in the past day or so of talking about how this move into Russia is all about creating a better negotiating situation for them. And he's right. Right. The only way you get Putin to the table is.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
And get something meaningful for Ukraine is if he's feeling pain. And this is causing him some pain. This is causing him to kind of rethink strategy, to worry about, again, sort of internal some dissent. So it's a fascinating time.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Now, when Trump has said that he can solve this quick. In the first day.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
I don't think it is. I mean, look, he speaks in hyperbole, right? So he's just doing that again. He's just like, I'm going to solve this problem. But that's a self-inflicted wound because then it gives the Democrats a chance to say, well, he's just talking crazy. Also, if he gets into office and he doesn't solve it in a day, then it's more of a problem. Yeah.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
I mean, maybe it takes him two days, in which case he'll be criticized. Yeah.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
He really would be. Yeah. A full 24 hours after he promised. Yeah. Once again, he lied. Do you think it's possible to resolve? Like, what would be the ideal resolution?
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Well, I think it is possible to resolve it as long as, again, as long as Putin feels like he needs to find a settlement. If he was making headway – look, don't get me wrong. they've had some successes in the eastern side of Ukraine, where they've been making an offensive against the Ukrainian military.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
So while the Ukrainian military has been advancing and having some success taking and holding some territory inside Russia, at the same time, they've been having some real difficulties in the Donetsk region and on the eastern side of Ukraine. And But if Putin feels sufficient pain, then, yeah, he'll they'll find a settlement.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
I think that settlement is going to look frustratingly like what the lines looked like before this whole conflict started. They're not going to give up. Russia is not going to give up Crimea. They're not going to pull all their military, all their their their personnel out of the eastern side of Ukraine. Right.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
And he was working as a school teacher, as you pointed out. He was working as a coach. Who knows? He could be a great guy. I'm just saying that there were statistics that said upwards of 70-plus percent of people have padded their CVs. So what he's done isn't unusual, but – It's very much, you know, highlighted now.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
And so I think at the end of the day – and this will probably frustrate a lot of people who have been putting Ukrainian flags on their Twitter handles and waving flags and saying we stand with Ukraine. It's not going to look like Ukraine gets all its territory back. It's not realistic. So I think that's what the settlement is going to look like. But look –
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#2197 - Mike Baker
I look at this from there's a lot of people out there, right? Rightly so. There's a lot of people who dissent with the whole idea of why are we helping Ukraine? I'm not going to wander into that minefield. I'm just looking at it from an operational perspective. If the U.S. wasn't helping Ukraine. Putin would own Ukraine by now, for sure. There's just no two ways about it.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Even with NATO support, NATO's been very good, EU's been very good. Without U.S. support, Putin would have Ukraine. So some people could care less about that. OK, it's based on your experiences. Other people think that's a horrible thing. And so I don't know. I'm just saying operationally, you know, if you look at it, you go, OK, our decision is we can't afford to lose Ukraine to Putin.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
So therefore, we're going to dump a lot of resource and assistance in there. You know, so, you know, Bob's your uncle. I personally don't think, you know, Putin's the sort of person who stops when he gets something. Right. His next thought is, OK, now what? Because he's been very clear, just like the Iranians are clear about wanting to destroy Israel.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Putin's been talking for years about trying to rebuild the Soviet Union in some fashion. Right. Not the whole thing. So I take him at his word. I think he's pretty serious about it. But I also get the point why people say, well, holy fuck, why are we spending all this money on Ukraine? You know, that's why I'm not running for president.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah, I mean, it is a lot of fucking money. It's a lot of fucking money. And we have to pay that money. That money is not... I mean, just printing money, it has consequences. It's not that simple.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
You know what I love, though, is I do love Democrats now. I've heard some Democrats say, well, actually, look, this is a good thing. And these are Democrats saying, this is a good thing because... That money, well, in reality, the things that we're providing Ukraine are manufactured by U.S. companies. So they're making money, and that's a good thing for the economy.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah, that's what Eisenhower warned you about, stupid. Exactly. What the fuck are you talking about? I do love that argument, though. Well, that's a new tact to take for the Democrats, is to argue on behalf of the military-industrial complex.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Exactly. It's such a strange way of rationalizing things when the left has always been anti-war. I mean, that's where things got real weird. The left has always been pro-free speech and anti-war.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
And they're essentially the party that's trying to silence people under the guise of misinformation and disinformation, which a lot of that shit turned out to not be misinformation and not be disinformation. Right. Especially the COVID stuff with Jay Bhattacharya and all the different, Martin Koldoff, all these different people that got removed from Twitter and censored.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah. Yeah. It's a it's a look. I've got a I've got a service line in the company, Portman Square Group. I am a marketing machine. Thank you. And but we have a due diligence group that does nothing but right. Background investigations, due diligence. And so they spend a lot of time looking at people's CVs or resumes. And. It's a shocking number of people. And sometimes it's not really nefarious.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Alex Berenson, who's in a lawsuit right now with the Biden administration. You know, all those people without Elon Musk buying Twitter, they would essentially have been silenced. So all these dissenting opinions were legitimate people from Stanford and Harvard and all these people were labeled as kooks. Which is just goddamn crazy and very fucking dangerous. Very fucking dangerous.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
You're allowing corporations to dictate what is true and not true depending upon how it's going to reflect their bottom line.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah. And that's scary. I think people hate having this pointed out. I mean people of a certain persuasion. When you say things like, you know what, a lot of the things that people on the opposite side from where the progressives and the left sit – They turn out to be right, whether it's Hunter Biden's laptop, whether it's the bullshit of the Russian dossier, whether it's issues related to COVID.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
And the idea that people aren't able to speak their mind and that somehow the Democrats have decided that they're OK with censorship because really the government needs to tell you what's safe to hear. It's like the Democrats supporting the war and the Republicans questioning whether it's a good idea. Topsy-turvy. Yeah, it's bass-ackwards. It's an upside-down world. It's an upside-down world.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Very strange. It's just strange to see how people just immediately abandon all their principles and side with whatever their party's saying. That's when you realize that it really is just a tribal thing.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Because the left silencing free speech and the left not recognizing that they were lied to by these corporations because they had originally sided with them and they had made these statements and they don't want to walk these statements back and it's too difficult to say that you were wrong. And then the pro-war stuff. It's just the whole thing is – and the fact that –
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#2197 - Mike Baker
You didn't have better use for that $175 billion? You don't think they could have done it to help up? What about our infrastructure? What about our inner cities? That money couldn't have been invested in the United States?
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah. You want better policing? Invest in better training and hiring, right? More consistent training.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Subsidies for manufacturing, incentives to have manufacturing. That's something we really should have learned during COVID. Like, oh my God, we're so dependent upon other countries for our goods. For pharmaceuticals? Yes, all that stuff. Yeah, yeah.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yes, it's fucking super difficult to get during COVID. Well, and it's still difficult to get. There's still shortages of, I was reading about, what's it called? Adderall. Adderall shortage, yeah.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Well, I think I know why there's an Adderall shortage. I think some people are taking it that really don't need it. Is that like Ozempic? They're just, yeah. Well, Zempic at least is helping people that are super fat lose weight, which is really important. We have a gigantic health crisis in this country.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
We're eating poisoned food and too much of it, and people are – I mean, the obesity crisis in this country is unparalleled. There's never been a time in this country where half the people were technically obese. And I'm not talking about the body mass index thing either, which is like I'm obese according to that. Are you? Yeah. I'm 5'8", not even 5'8". I'm under 5'8", and I weigh 202 pounds.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
I'm fat. I used to be 5'8". I'm shrinking. You're shrinking? Yeah. Like disc degeneration, which is what happens to old people. They get smaller and smaller. And I want to deny that I'm older, but God damn it, I'm fucking shrinking. And my back hurts. And one of the reasons why my back hurts, it's like years of jiu-jitsu too, weightlifting, but your discs get smaller.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
They get smushed, and your spinal column gets closer and closer together. There was a race car driver, and he was one of the guys that did Le Mans back in the day, and they got him in his original race car to take a lap around Le Mans, and he couldn't fit the pedals anymore because he had shrunk four inches since the time that he had... Because everybody just...
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#2197 - Mike Baker
It's just, okay, maybe I misspoke or maybe I did put something in and I over-egged the pudding a little bit. But then like 10 or 15 years down the road, you've kind of ridden on that for all that time. And we've seen that happen where people suddenly get called out, right? Yes. You know, I don't read too much into the fact that he padded his resume.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
It's aging. It all happens. Gravity wins. Yeah, one of my brothers flew jets in Vietnam and that fucked up his back. His discs. Good God, the G-forces and all that.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Oh yeah, I couldn't imagine. But the point is, we have a massive health crisis in this country. The obesity crisis is really legitimate and it's terrifying that it's so prevalent and that no one's doing anything about it. And this is one of the things that RFK wants to do when he gets into office.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
And he's talking about seed oils and he's talking about a lot of different things that are like terrible for health or ubiquitous in our diet. And to put some regulations on that stuff and to recognize that these are real issues and to inform people that these are real issues and not just let these big food companies just keep. I saw a fucking article today in Time magazine.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Wait a minute, Time Magazine is still out there? Time Magazine is still out there. See if you can find this cover, this article. It was, are super processed foods really bad for you? Oh, fuck. Seriously. This is the question. Instead of saying, wouldn't it be better to eat healthy, which everybody would agree, are super processed foods really that bad for you?
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#2197 - Mike Baker
No, no, no. No, no, no. No, no, no. That's not what I saw. That is not what I saw. I saw something very different than that, and I can find it. I'll find it in two seconds. Hold on. Give me a second because I know I saved it because I was like, what the fuck? Are ultra-processed foods bad for us? Hold on.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Here's one that says, what if they aren't as bad as you think?
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Here it is. From yesterday. Aren't as bad as you think. Oh, what if ultra-processed food aren't as bad as you think. That's it. Well, they're not. They're a lot worse. They're fucking terrible for you. What kind of bullshit argument is this? This is real.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
They are really bad for you. Jessica is passionate about the pupusas from Costco.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Oh, God, Jessica. How about have a banana? Get on the treadmill, you fucking idiot. Like, what are we talking about? I got a bag of pupusas. We're eating shit that's terrible, that's really bad for you.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Okay. It all started in the summer of 2023 when author and infectious disease physician Dr. Chris Von Tuleken was promoting his book Ultra Processed People. While writing it, Von Tuleken spent a month eating mostly foods like chips, soda, bagged bread, frozen food, and cereal. What happened to me is exactly what the research says would happen to everyone.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Von Tuliken says he felt worse, he gained weight, his hormone levels went crazy, and before and after MRI scans showed signs of changes in his brain. As Von Tuliken saw it, the experiment highlighted the terrible emergency of society's love affair with ultra-processed foods. Okay, but you have to, this next part is really, is also really, Wilson.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Who specializes in working with clients from marginalized groups. Oh, marginalized groups. Was irked. She felt that Van Tuleken's experiment was over-sensationalized and that news coverage of it shamed people who regularly eat processed foods.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
That's what you get. That kind of fucking language drives me goddamn crazy. In other words, the vast majority of Americans, particularly the millions who are food insecure or have limited access to fresh food, they also tend to be lower income and people of color. Yeah, they fucking covered the whole spectrum.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
I think it is just very disrespectful that he didn't push back on the idea that he was overseas deployed in combat or that he claimed that he retired in a position. I mean, I think they gave him a master sergeant title or rank when he retired, which is just one step below. Which is still honorable. Very honorable.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Fucking crazy. as well as the massive diversity of foods that can be considered ultra-processed, a category that includes everything from vegan meat replacements, which, by the way, are really fucking bad for you, and non-dairy milks, which, by the way, are really fucking bad for you, to potato chips and candy, which, by the way... Really fucking bad for you.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
How can this entire category of foods be something we're supposed to avoid? Because it's not fucking food. It's not nutritious food. And if you eat non-nutritious food, you get fucking sick. Imagine linking that to racism and inequality.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
It also said she got 80% of her calories from processed foods. Yeah, I'd like to see what that lady looks like naked. Yeah.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
I'm experimenting with cheeseburgers today. God. And I'm going to have an experimental Coke. It marginalizes and shames people. Marginalizing, that kind of fucking language is so divisive.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
I will say there's obviously a problem with, what do they call them, food deserts, right? Yes, absolutely. The inability of communities to access fresh foods, there's no doubt about it. If you want to eat healthy, it can cost more.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Right, but the solution is not to not tell people those foods are bad. The solution is to try to figure out maybe some of that $175 billion could have helped. You know how many free meals they could have given people, free healthy meals with $175 billion? If you really cared, the problem with this is a real problem. Those foods are delicious. Oh, they are delicious.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Cool Ranch Doritos and a nice cold Coca-Cola on ice. McDonald's sausage McGriddle. Oh, my goodness. Now you're talking my language. Those fucking McGriddles are delicious. It's a dessert with sausage in it.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
I'm going to tell you a quick story. I won't bore you with this one. Well, I will probably bore you with this one. I was in the airport in DFW, Dallas-Fort Worth Airport. I was transiting through the airport with my wife. And thank God she was there. And we're kind of running to get to the flight to go to Puerto Rico. I was going to give a speech there. And...
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#2197 - Mike Baker
We hadn't had anything to eat all morning, and so we passed by a McDonald's, and I go, God damn it, I'm just going to stop, and I'll just get a quick thing. So I got a sausage McGriddle, and I take a bite of it as we're kind of dashing towards the next flight, and I took a bite, and I thought, Oh, no, no. It tastes too good.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
I can't eat this whole thing because I have this mentality that I'm going to have to throw this away because it's so damn good. I'm going to want one every day. And so I literally tossed the rest of it in there. That was the last thing I'd eaten. I got on the plane, had the Widowmaker, massive heart attack, went out. They had to get the plane off the tarmac. Oh, that was when that happened?
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah, that was when that happened. The last thing I had eaten was a bite of that fucking McGriddle. If you ate the whole thing, you would have survived. If I ate the whole thing, I probably would have been okay. I couldn't believe it. So I haven't had anything like that ever since. God, they're so good, though. I remember it. Still to this day, I remember it.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
And it's nothing to be shameful of. Saying that, just stating the actual rank... It doesn't change anybody's opinion of him at all. So it's a lie that doesn't really elevate you.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
McGriddles are fucking delicious. Crazy. They're so good. If I'm just going to have a cheat meal of a breakfast food, I'm going McGriddle all the way. They nailed it. I know it's bad for you. I'm not saying you should eat it, but God damn, it's good. They knocked that one right out of the fucking park. There's something about the cheese with the sausage. The syrup in the muffin thing.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Someone online took the McGriddles and went to Chick-fil-A and got a chicken breast and put it in the middle. It made like an almost chicken and waffle sandwich. Oh, my God. That must be incredible. It sounds really good. What a great idea. I'm going to make a note of that.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
What a great idea. Chick-fil-A is so good that even gays buy it. They know that the Chick-fil-A people don't like the gays, and they're like, I don't give a fuck. Give me that Chick-fil-A. I would like to know how many of the gays avoid Chick-fil-A. I bet it's like a very small percentage. They're like, fuck these people. They make a hell of a chicken sandwich. God damn it.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
I should be more upset than I am. It's too good. It's too good. Where are we going to go? They're so good, they close on Sundays, and no one gives a fuck. Yeah. No, they don't. They're like, we don't even want that Sunday money, which would be... billions of dollars. They pass on billions of dollars of profit.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
And one of the most successful fast food chains in the country. And they're like, nope, we like Jesus more than we like money. And the gays are saying, we're not really into the gays.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
I went into a Chick-fil-A the other day and the fella that was serving me, I have a feeling that fella might have been a part of the alphabet posse. Really? Yep. And he's working at the Chick-fil-A. So maybe he doesn't care.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Or he's an asset, right? They put him in there. He's an intelligence asset.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Or maybe. That could be. Or maybe he's like Uncle Tom. You know, that kind of a deal.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Remember Bruce used to be a name for gay guys? It's not really anymore. It's not. It wasn't in Australia because everybody's a Bruce or a Sheila. So you couldn't do that. But you know what else? Well, never mind.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
I was about to start talking about words you can't say. I got in trouble with my kids because I was driving down the road and I said something and the oldest boy was like, Dad, I don't think we can say that anymore. And I said, really?
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#2197 - Mike Baker
It doesn't, and when you get called out on it, it just kind of makes you look like a dipshit, right? And that's something that he's got to deal with now.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
And then I found myself like George Carlin driving in the truck with all three of the boys just reeling off words. And they were horrified.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Because they've grown up now in this environment. Right.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
They don't have that in Texas. High school kids are the most unwoke kids I've ever been around in my fucking life. It's crazy listening to these kids talk. They're saying wild shit because it's a rebellion.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
So they're like little punk rockers. It's also crazy to hear them talk because they've invented a whole new fucking language. Oh, yeah. Like skibbity. Oh, yeah, skibbity. What the hell is skibbity? Exactly. What is... Do you know? I don't know. I don't know.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah, I think Sigma is good. I think it's good? Yeah, I'm confused over what Skibity is. But there's, I just, there's a whole language. Giat? I like, yeah, Giat.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Do you understand the meaning of Skibity? Skibity is a term relating to restlessness, paranoia, and inescapable dread. Oh. What? I don't think they're using it the right way. That doesn't sound right. I think they're, oh, it could also mean good or best. Okay.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
But he did once say, he was talking about assault rifles, air quotes, assault rifles for the gun nuts out there. I get it. I'm on your side. But he said... But when he was talking... I mean, you can kind of assault somebody with a BB gun, right? Yeah.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
I've heard Skibbity Toilet come out of a couple of my kids. Oh, boy.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
What the hell is Skibbity Toilet? Oh, yeah. What does that mean?
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Page not found. Too hard. The government, they're censoring the Skibbity information.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
This is not good. Skibbity, Ohio. Rizzler. Rizzler. Rizz. I know about this. What's that? Rizz is when you got games. When you're a player. Charisma. When you're a player. Charisma. That's right.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Slang for charisma. And a Rizzler has a lot of charisma. Oh, I want to be a Rizzler.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
He's always doing like this. He's always kind of like looking at the camera, going like that. Yeah. I like that. My kids have pointed that out to me. I like some of that. There he is. Yeah.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
And his buddy, Justice, I think is his buddy's name. Unstoppable Defense Alignment. Look at him. Look at him.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah, yeah. Like John Gotti V. Yeah, so they... Yeah, but going back to that fucking thing about processed foods, that sort of shit is what I hate because you're absolutely right. Rather than try to help people by talking the truth... God forbid, right? We say, well, we've got to protect them. We don't want to shame them. We don't want to marginalize them.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
So instead of talking and saying, look, we know that you have, you know, that it costs more or whatever, but here's the honest to God's truth about it. These foods are, you know, it's a slow walk to death, right? Right. And so, yeah, but, you know, I think there's... What's her name? She's going to be doing an interview tomorrow night. Dana Bash? Kamala Harris? Kamala Harris.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
You got a Biden moment. See, that's why I can't criticize Biden. You need creatine. I do need creatine. But anyway, so she talks about these price controls on food as if somehow that magically is going to sort problems out. It will just make this whole issue of access to food worse. It just fucks things up in terms of the supply chain.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
And so that's why, I mean, she's not doing it, but her team is already walking this back, an idea that she had just thrown out at the DNC. She's like, we're going to do this. And the other bullshit, all these other ideas, but $25,000 for first-time homebuyers.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
What are they doing in California? Have you seen this proposal to give loans to illegal immigrants? Yeah. I saw a top line headline for it.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Are they just flat out buying votes? Like, what are you doing when you're doing that? Well, what are you doing when you cancel debt for students, right?
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#2197 - Mike Baker
But when he was talking about them, he said, weapons of war that I carried... I don't know the exact quote, but he was essentially alluding to the fact that... Yeah.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Like, how are you giving, you're incentivizing people to be illegal aliens is what you're doing. 100% full stop. If you allow that, you're incentivizing people to become illegal aliens.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Well, you're also incentivizing people to raise the price of their home. You tell me that we've got a program now to give $25,000 to first-time homebuyers. Now, suddenly, my $300,000 house is $325,000. Thank you very much. Exactly.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
It's a nonsense proposal. Yeah, it's all these things. They're saying it just to win the election. And that's what it is. And that's why they're walking them back so quickly as soon as people push back against it. There's a wild thrashing going on right now publicly. And it's so fascinating to watch, like them just trying to lick their finger and find out which way the wind's blowing.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Which is what they're doing. They're throwing ideas against the wall. Normally you would do that behind closed doors and come up with a platform with all your policies. You still go to their website. They still don't have their platform with all their policies and what we're going to do for major issues of the day. So instead, they're just throwing this shit on the wall in public.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
And if the public likes it, then they stick with it. If they don't, like with the price controls or the EV idea, then they back it off, right, in full view as if we're just supposed to go with it. And a lot of people do.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
And a lot of people do. The blind allegiance towards your party is so real, particularly from the Democrat side. It's so fucking real. At least Republicans have a thing called a rhino, right? Republican in name only. Yeah. So at least they're suspicious of people that aren't like they seem to think that there's some infiltrators into the organization.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
They're not entirely on board with everything that all the Republicans agree with. And they'll have some infighting about that.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Well, we've got all sorts of categories now. We've got the never Trumpers, right? We've got them. Outfits like the Lincoln Project, which as far as I can tell is just a grift, right? These guys have just figured out that there's cash to be made by lining up with the Democrats, right? And we can get all sorts of donations by saying, look, we're former Republicans and we'd never want Trump, right?
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#2197 - Mike Baker
And again, was it was is it I don't understand it. Is it necessary? No. Did he feel that it helped in his early days running for political office? Obviously. Right.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
There's money in those hills, right? You can mine that for a while and they've managed to.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Which are not exactly the most... I mean, there's some fucking shenanigans going on there, I don't have to tell you. It's like, these aren't the people that are like... It's that speculation again.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
They're not like... Oh, God. But you can't... I guess I get cynical because I don't see how it changes. I look around and I think, well, how do we... How does it get any better, I guess, is the question, right? And it's certainly not going to get better in the next short-term cycle, right? And I maybe... Maybe if – well, I don't know. I don't know how you get people out of the trenches right now.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
It's like World War I and get them to kind of stand up and at least make a little bit of move towards each other and say, okay, we got to figure this shit out. We got a lot of serious problems. There's more crises overseas right now than we've had in a very long time. Shit that could really, really – get fucked up pretty quick, right?
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Whether it's what's going on in Russia and something happens, and next thing you know, Putin decides, ah, fuck it, you guys are lobbing U.S. missiles deeper into Russia. I think it's time for us to deploy something. And whether it's that or whether it's Xi Jinping deciding, screw it. Time to go into Taiwan. Time to go into Taiwan. We don't even know who's running the White House.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
So let's give it a go. I don't know. And you've got the Middle East, which I think people always assume, well, that's a self-contained problem. It's just there. But... The chance for that to go sideways, you know, right now. Right.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
I mean, if if they're successful and, you know, encircling Israel by meaning that, you know, they dump enough weapons into the West Bank and they get some of their militant elements there to say suddenly you got a three front war with Israel. At some point, there's going to be some really undue pressure on any U.S. administration to step in. That shit gets ugly.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Well, he's also seen Joe Biden get away with it. Right. Joe Biden has gotten away with lying about his record, lying about his accomplishments from the beginning back when he was running for Senate. Right. I mean, I'm sure you've seen that old video where he confronts the guy and tells him he's got a higher IQ than him and how he graduated at the top of his class.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
We've got thousands of people crossing the border who probably have really bad, nefarious intent that we don't even know who they are. Millions, but I'm just saying, in terms of actual people who may be on the terror watch list, you've got a lot of people who have come across. The vetting that goes on on the southern border is minimal at best. They don't have access to international databases.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Just having Marshall around can make my day ten times better. I'm sure you love your dog just as much, and you want to do your best to help them live longer, healthier, happier lives. And a healthy life for your dog starts with healthy food, just like it does for us. There's a reason having a balanced diet is so important.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
It's not like they're getting people crossing in from China or crossing in from Turkey or Pakistan. I'm not picking on any particular country, but pick a spot and work with those home country liaison personnel to say, what do you got on these people? They simply are checking to see whether they're listed in the U.S. criminal database. And if they're not, it's like, fine, here's your appointment.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
We'll see you in court in a year and a half or whatever. You're free to go.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Five years, yeah. It's really sad. There's tens of thousands of kids they can't account for. And again, the White House or the Harris team wants to act as if she had nothing to do with anything.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
She was the border czar. Remember when they were trying to say that she wasn't the border czar?
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah. The same people who called her the borders are on TV.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
But this is what's so crazy is that they don't know that they said that. Do they not know that people are going to find it and they're going to post it? Do they think that somehow or another those videos are hidden from the public? I think, again, they don't care, right?
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#2197 - Mike Baker
They don't care. They understand, I think, that most Americans have a very short attention span. Right. We live in a world where you can ride out just about any storm, right? I mean, and redemption is just around the corner, right? I mean, you know, look, what's his name? Jeffrey Toobin whacks off on, you know, a Zoom call. It wasn't that long ago, really, in the scheme of things.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
He was off TV for like a year. Yeah, now he's back. Now he's back. You know, so, you know, that gives hope to all those people out there who can't control themselves.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
God, that was a weird, you know. I suspect he's not the only one, right? Oh, they dropped like flies.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
It was a big problem. That's the problem with, like, working from home. You got a camera on a guy with a computer in a locked office.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah. Yeah. But, I mean, I've never been on a Zoom call where I felt like that was, you know, you're not like, well.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Well, it makes you wonder, like, what kind of control do you have over your life if you have to whack off so bad that you do it in the middle of the day while you're on a call? On a call. You don't even wait until the call ends.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
All right, now, Bob's going to run through the second quarter numbers. Oh, fuck you.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
It's weird. But it also just shows you that these people that are holding themselves up to be these moral authorities, no, you're just a fucking pervert. You're just another nut. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Another nut who's putting on a mask when you get on television and pretending you're something great.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah. So I think that's what it is. I think there's this sense that it doesn't matter, right? You can say anything. You can get away with it because people aren't going to really care at the end of the day. Right.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
And, you know, so while common sense would make you think, well, I'm sure actually they'll be, you know, they'll be fact-checking themselves and they'll be thinking about these things and they'll be more reflective and more analytical. That's just, that's all bullshit. It doesn't actually work that way. Yeah, it's all bullshit. Yeah, yeah. It's all bullshit. But I think that there will be
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#2197 - Mike Baker
All lies. Yeah. No, absolutely. And you're right. He's gotten away with it. Just like, you know, apparently the plagiarism and other issues and certainly now the mental decline. He's still president, I guess. I guess. He's kind of not.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
I think – I don't know. I'm just thinking about the aftermath of the election.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Well, I'm scared. What I'm scared is that people will become accustomed to the fact that the president is not in control of the government anymore and that that's OK. That's a scary thing, too, because whether you like Biden or don't like Biden, like Trump or don't like Trump, at least you attributed the commander in chief. You were like, that's the guy. That's the president.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
And now it's like, well, if he's not the president, because he keeps going on vacation now. He's not even talking anymore. He's probably disgruntled. And we got a bunch of months to go, kids. We're sitting here talking in August. We got whole of September, whole of October. End of November with no president.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah. And again, you know, I guarantee there won't be that question tomorrow night with one of the two potential successors to be the leader of the free world, supposedly. That question won't exist. It won't be, well, who, tell me about the decision-making process. If the president some time ago said that, or the White House said that he's really good from 10 to 4, you know, 10 a.m. to 4 p.m.,
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#2197 - Mike Baker
And things don't get better over time. They get worse. How is he doing now? And if that's the case, what's the decision-making process like at the White House? And what kind of role are you playing in it? And by the way, can we ask one more time, when did you know that he was in decline? And were you just telling the American public the complete opposite? He's not fucking Sharper's attack.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
So when did you know that? And what was the decision process around that in terms of deceiving the American public?
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#2197 - Mike Baker
How did they go with him even back in 2020? How did they do that? How did they not see what everybody saw? How was that the best option to win?
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Who is in charge? That's the question I think a lot of people are wondering. Well, Kamala's on tour, so she can't be doing, she's out there doing concerts. Oh, she's going to do an interview tomorrow night. With Tim, though. With Tim. With Tim, because she's a strong woman, so she wants a strong man by her side.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
It wasn't as bad, to be fair. It was not as bad. It was not as bad. But it was bad. Well, you could kind of predict it, right? Oh, I predicted it. Yeah. Yeah.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
I was like, come on, man. He's not going to get better. He's not as good as he used to be.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
When he was vice president, he was way better. Yeah. Not as good as I once was. Yeah. Not as good once as I ever was. Thank you, Toby Keith. Yeah, I think he was the safe bet, right? They certainly weren't going to go with Sanders. They already kicked him out once four years before.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah, they weren't going to go with Sanders. But there's a lot of other people that could have stepped up. There's a lot of governors who could have. I mean, Bill Clinton kind of came out of nowhere.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, Bill Clinton. Yeah, that's true. That's true. It was it. But it was I would also argue it was even that most that recent time it was a different time. Right.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Not only that, but I think Clinton probably wouldn't have won if it wasn't for Ross Perot. I think Ross Perot, a lot of people who were more conservative, right leaning, went with Ross Perot. And afterwards, they changed the whole criteria for being involved in the debates. Because they're like, we can't have this happen again.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
The whole Commission for Presidential Debate shifted, which is, by the way, a privately funded thing. Yeah. Which is crazy, too.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
I think there's also this upcoming debate. Look, one of the things that Trump should be very thankful for is the rules that they established for that first debate with Biden. The only debate with Biden where they said, OK, we're going to cut the microphones off. You're not allowed to speak. That worked like a charm. Right. It did. Kept him in check.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
And so I'm not sure whether that's the case for the 10th September debate with with Harris. But it does look like now her campaign team is arguing that she should be able to have notes. Right. And they didn't have notes previously. Right. They were just like, she needs notes. So I think they're pushing for that now. That's, you know.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Let me tell you something as a comedian. Notes are not good. Here's the problem with notes. You know you have those notes. So you're thinking about those notes while you're talking. And you go to those notes. You can write notes while you're debating. Like they gave him a pad. You're allowed to write things, but it's a blank pad. Right.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
But if you have those notes, you're going to be looking for them, and that's an added distraction. You've got to be so dialed in that you don't need those fucking notes, especially on television, because the pressure is clearly something that gets to her. Yeah, then that laugh comes out.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah, she does not want to be alone out there. Which is wild. You have to be alone. Who the fuck has ever done an interview, the only interview since they have been nominated by their party, right? Since they've been chosen. Who has ever not done an interview for this long?
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah, well, it doesn't come out in debate, but she's much better at talking if you don't have pressure and lights on her. I know people that know her that say she's intelligent.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
So it could be that she locks up when she has to talk, which is a real thing. People, they freak out with also. Imagine the kind of criticism that lady experiences on a daily basis. If she just reads comments on Twitter, her fucking head would spin, right? So all day long, she knows how many people hate her, how many people think she's an income poop, how many people think she's terrible.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
You could say the same thing for Trump, though. 100%, but it obviously doesn't affect him. It doesn't affect him, that's true. He's used to being famous. Fair enough, yeah. He's been famous his whole life.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
So for him, he's like, just fucking water off a duck's back.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
But she's been in the limelight for a long time. Yeah, but she ain't good at it. She ain't good at it.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Some people are not good. There's a lot of people that are famous forever, and the anxiety accentuates over time. It heightens. It gets worse. Because now the pressure of all these people hating them actually starts to freak them out.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
You know what MSNBC did? Do you know that? They took a clip of me talking well about Tulsi Gabbard, and they tried to attribute it to Kamala Harris. They edited it, and they posted it on their TikTok. Holy shit. Yeah. Oh, and then my stepdad called me up because he texted me that he was glad that I was suing MSNBC because there's this article that I'm suing them. I was like, I'm not suing them.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
They did do that. I saw that part that people were losing their minds because they said you had endorsed RFK Jr.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah. I like him. Yeah. That's all I said. I said he speaks reasonably and he talks about the issues. He doesn't attack people. I think we could all use more of that in this world. That's all I fucking said.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
He's endorsing. See, they want you to have a side. Yeah, exactly. And again, going back to what you said, it's tribal. Yeah. But OK, well, you know what? Hey, I'm glad to hear that people that know her are saying she's intelligent because one of them is going to win.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
And so for the good of the country, she's got to have some intelligence to have climbed the ladder the way she climbed the ladder. Like at least some intelligence knowing Willie Brown's a good guy to become friends with. I mean, she's got to have, there's no way you get that far without something going on. I just think she's real bad at talking.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
And especially talk, well, real good in that one speech, though. That was another thing people got mad at me, because I was talking about how great that speech was, because it was fucking great. Say it to my face, and the whole place went, yeah.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
But if you've got a teleprompter, and you've rehearsed it, and you've got speech instructors there talking to you. Yeah. and saying, emphasize this. Try it again. Try it one more time. Of course you're going to give a great speech.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Make sure you hold. Oh, you're going to give a knockout speech. That's all people need in this day and age.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah, and then they... I get why, because they get away with it. Look, they've got a very compliant and incurious media for the most part, right? And they're just letting it go. Compliant.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
But that's not critical thinking. It's not the ability to analyze. It's not the ability to make quick decisions. It's not the ability to show leadership. And that's all of those things. And again, people will keep going the same thing every time I say this. Trump. And I'm going like, look, I'm not talking about Trump right now. I'm talking about over here. I'm talking about the other contender.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
And I don't know. And more than that, I just worry about the policies that, again, they haven't enunciated many of them, but I do worry about what they've thrown against the wall so far. Yeah.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
A lot of these socialist-leaning ideas are very disturbing. Yeah. And there's another thing that she's talked about, about equity as opposed to equality and literally talking about equal outcomes, which is fucking insane. That's insane talk. That doesn't work because you're not going to have equal effort.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
The whole reason why this country works, the whole reason why capitalism works is because of competition. That competition should be fair. But there is a reason why some people succeed more than others. And a lot of it has to do with effort. Yeah. There's a lot of luck involved, there's a lot of nepotism involved, there's a lot of shit involved, but also hard work.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
And if you want to have equality of outcome, you're going to have no incentive for people to work hard.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
You know what, to that point, my youngest boy, Muggsy, was telling me, he came home from school, this was towards the end of last year, and he was kind of chuckling to myself. So what are you laughing about? He goes, oh God, it was funny. And he talks just like this. He says, yeah, it was very funny.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
He says, we had a project in class where the teacher, I forget which subject it was, but anyway, the teacher handed out a paper, a test, And he explained, okay, here's a test. I know it's a snap test. I know you guys weren't expecting it. But I want you to do your best. And you weren't expecting it, so I'm going to take all the scores and I'm going to average them out. And that'll be how you do.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
It's more than compliant. I know. I'm trying to be nice.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
So my boy sits in the back there and just doesn't do fuck all. He got like one question answered and he was like, well, fuck it. Because he's smart enough to think... All right. You know, fine. If all we're going to do is take all the results and smush them together and everyone's going to. Yeah.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah, you're trying to be nice. Yeah, I'm trying to be nice. Complicit is a better word. Yeah. And so, and it's on CNN, and it's taped. It's not even live. Right. And it's the two of them. And- There is no way in hell. Maybe I'm going to be wrong. I hope I'm wrong. I hope it's a hard hitting interview where they ask.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
And so there were there were some people in there that were really pissed off, which was the teacher's point. Right. Right. And when they found out what had happened, because they had really tried and they'd gotten very good grades. And then there's Jack was like a two out of a 100. And he gets the same result that they did. Exactly. Look at me. So he said, no effort. I got what you got.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
But he saw it. Right. And I thought, well, I'm not sure whether I'm proud of that or not, but I think it's entertaining.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Well, if he's not dumb and he doesn't like the class and he thought it'd be fun to just like get a good grade by doing nothing. He gamed the system. He gamed the system.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
The system sucks. Which is how which is how this whole thing would work when you talk about, you know, equal education.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
at the end of the day... It's just nonsense talk, and it's only talk for voters. It's talk to try to get people who aren't doing well to say, well, with her, I'm going to do well.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah. Everything's going to be fine. Look what they're giving me. They're canceling my debt. Oh, they're talking about canceling my debt. They're talking about giving me a first-time home payment. They're talking about, you know, sticking it to the rich people. They're talking about price controls. They're talking about rent controls. Yeah. Good God. We start doing all that shit.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
You know, you think the economy has some issues? I mean...
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah, no one who's an economic advisor thinks that's a good idea. No one who understands the economy.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
I mean, I think that one thing that they're obviously... probably somewhat happy about, they've got to be happy about it, is that moving into the election, you know, it does look like the Fed's going to cut rates, right? And I'm sure there's going to be a lot of people on the right who are going to say, oh, of course, the Fed's doing that for political reasons, right?
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Well, it's good for the country. It's good for the country, yeah. And that's where we've gotten away to. Interest rates are fucking crazy right now.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
They're crazy. Home buying, car loans, everything. It's fucking nuts.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
And that's another problem. You talk about, you know, So the perception everybody's got, not everybody. That's not right. But right now, the perception of the economy is it it sucks. Right. It's not good. It's not good. I'm not I'm not comfortable. I'm not I'm not saving money. I'm spending more money on everything.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
And but for the past year or so, you've had the White House telling them just the opposite. Things are looking good, right? We're really doing well. And, you know, so there's this lack of credibility, right, that exists, not just from the White House or from this particular administration.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
You know, I guess a bigger point is people just don't have, you know, a lot of trust in a lot of things related to the government. They don't believe they're politicians. They don't believe they're government agencies, right? I mean, look at everybody talking about it. We've got to disband the FBI. We've got to shut down the Secret Service.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
No, the Secret Service didn't do any favors for themselves. Holy fuck.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
But yeah, the CIA, they're talking about getting rid of the IRS. Okay, and substituting it with what? Yeah, what are you going to do? Yeah, what? You're going to rebuild it from the ground up? You don't think you're going to have the same problems? Yeah. And what are you going to do with all the things that they're investigating overseas? What are you going to do?
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#2197 - Mike Baker
What are you going to do? What are you going to do with all the national security threats? We're going to tear down. We've got to shut down the CIA. Okay, so you think we live in a benevolent world. You think that, okay, of course, it's a human endeavor, so it can always stand improving. Of course. And same with all the other government agencies out there. With everything.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
I tell you what, actually, what I would love to have them ask first is, OK, vice president, I guess you have to say, Madam Vice President. How long were you aware of President Biden's mental decline? Because right up until the last minute, you were talking about how sharp his attack he was and how vigorous he was and how he was better than men half his age.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah, but this idea that you're going to tear institutions down because you're pissed off about...
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Whatever it might be Let me ask you this when he's speaking of that Yeah, one of the things that Trump said was that he was I think was Pompeo that talked him into not releasing the Kennedy files Yeah, yeah, and he Trump said that if you saw what they showed me you wouldn't release it either. I
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah, yeah, I know. I saw all of that. And honest to God, I don't have a secret that I can reveal. But what do you think it is, though? When you hear things like that, do you get concerned? What's in there?
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#2197 - Mike Baker
I mean, to me, it sounds a little bit like, you know, National Treasure, that movie with Nicolas Cage, where, you know, the secret book that they have, and they open the book, and they read what all the presidents have told them about things. You should watch it. It's actually a very funny movie. But, yeah, what do I think it means? I don't know.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Is Trump speaking in hyperbole, or is there some... Well, there's got to be a reason why they don't want to release it.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah, I think part of it is... I think that there's this tendency on the government's part, once they classify anything, it's really tough to get them to back off of that. It's really tough to get them to declassify information. I would argue they should, right? At this point, nobody is still alive, right? And so you would think at this point, they'd say, eh, okay, fine.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
There can't be a sources and methods issue here, right? They can't be like, well, we're worried about if we open up this file, even if there's not like some smoking gun that said... They did it. But even if it's just on the margins, like Lee Harvey Oswald went down to Mexico. We know that because – with the Russian embassy down there.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
We know that because we had an asset who reported on it from inside the Russian embassy, whatever it may be. They're all dead. Right. There's no. So I would argue just, yeah, fucking declassify it. Let it go. So I don't know. I don't have a good explanation for it. But what if it says that the CIA killed Kennedy? If it says that and it's backed up, then that's a come to Jesus meeting for me.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
I'm probably going to have to rethink my position on a lot of things. Yeah. Well, I think that's what they're worried about.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah. And if that's what he's saying and that's what they're actually worried about, that would be a real problem. It would be a real problem that could undermine a lot of the national security issues that we do have. Oh, fuck yeah. Sure. Absolutely. And the power the CIA has.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah. I mean, if that was the case – but think about this. Yeah. We talked about this before. I've always felt like the MLK, like Martin Luther King's, was more unsettled. That there was just something from an intuitive point of view, from an investigator's point of view.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
No, and you don't hear about it the same way you hear about JFK.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Right, and it was more of a... there was more of a, of a sort of a local thing, right? It was, there was, you just felt like, you know, the, there was more of a, of a element of a, I don't know, various local, um, players engaged in a local police, state police, whatever it might be.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
And, you know, and possibly federal side and all kinds of, it was just something unsettling about that whole incident. So, um, Yeah, I mean, look, any of these things would significantly undermine past where it is now. I mean, already people have distrust.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
But if it was proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that the CIA killed Kennedy, that would be a giant issue.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
It would be a giant issue. And then... Then what happens? Then what do you do? At that point, who knows? Because, look, I'll be honest with you. Of course, I'm going to say what everybody expects me to say. The agency, and I can only speak from that point of view.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
I can't talk about the Bureau or Secret Service or others, but the agency does some tremendous work in pursuit of protecting national security interests. I believe that. And I believe that most of the people that are involved are patriots. Yeah. But I will say, if that were to be proven without a doubt, because they declassified that paperwork, none of that shit's going to matter.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
All that good work. Right. All that. I don't even know where you'd go with it, right? I mean, the church, you know, they basically wanted to disband the agency at that point, right?
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#2197 - Mike Baker
That was the 70s, yeah. And that was, you know, look, Carter put Stansfield Turner into the agency basically to try to— I would argue, dismantle it. So there was a period of time when, and also after, of course, after World War II, they just shut down OSS. It was like, yeah, we don't need it.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
What I don't understand is how people aren't marching on Washington with pitchforks and torches over the fact that this small group, her and who else? Anita Dunn, the chief of staff of the White House claim a variety of that cabal is not that big of people who had daily contact with President Biden. And they just lied to the American public for a significantly long time.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
So would that create a moment where the public's just saying, fuck this, we don't need it, we'll just maybe, we'll see. But I guarantee you, something bad would then happen. And they would say, well, we need to reconstitute it in some fashion. Let's do it.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Especially if it's publicly known that it's not there anymore and foreign actors know this.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
You've got to have these organizations. So that's a hypothetical that... But it's like every organization.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
You're going to have bad apples in the organization. Like cops. I think cops are overall very important and very good. But when you have a bad cop... That bad cop, especially if it's on video, now people think of cops as only being that one bad cop.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Kamala Harris, yeah. She was a big part of that. You know what? This part always surprised me. Defund the police. So we don't want as many police on the streets. OK, first of all, the logic train on that one, because somehow what all the bad guys go away then. Well, there's no police, so I don't need to commit any crimes. Everything will be better.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Or we put community people in their social workers and whatever. Instead of saying in a logical fashion, saying, OK, clearly we had some bad eggs. What we need is better police. What's that going to mean? That's going to mean more money. We need to actually fund the police. You need more training. The police need more training anyway. Look at the Secret Service. Good God.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Those guys, in terms of their amount of actual consistent on-the-job training they get. is minimal at best. And so it's the same with the police. The first thing to always go is the training budget, right? So to me, that never made any sense. But you're right. Harris was also on the side of defund the police. I don't think she would ever bring that up again. I think that moment in time has passed.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And Tim Wells, speaking of... you know, look at Minnesota, Minneapolis, right? That was kind of ground zero for defunding police.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yes, you know, because, yeah, my God, don't get me started. That was another thing. My boys, my boys constantly, thank God for them because that's how I learned what not to say and get myself in trouble.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Right, you got to know the temperature of the young kids today.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
I got to say, look, is this skibbity or is this not? You know, what the fuck? Is this Sigma? What's going on here? I got the riz going. Yeah.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
I think we might have a couple of small issues. What's your prediction? Can I ask that? What's your prediction for the election in November? What do you think is going to happen?
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#2197 - Mike Baker
I don't know because I think there's a lot of time between now and then. And look, someone... Whether that guy was acting alone or whether or not he had help, someone tried to kill Trump at least once. There was an interview where Trump was outside talking to someone and said, I've been told we shouldn't even be out here. We shouldn't be outside. There's some issues.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
So there's probably other threats. We know that there was an Iran assassination attempt. There was something involved in that that was stopped. I guarantee there's people that want him gone.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
And to say now I know what's going to happen in November, things change so quickly and it's so nuts and our memory is so short and everything happens so fast and the news cycle is just flooded with new things constantly. I don't know what the fuck is going to happen.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Look at the short window of time from – Say, let's go with the 13th of July, the rally when it was shot through the RNC, right? From the perception, I was out in Milwaukee for something else, but I was out there during the RNC. And... Everybody 100 percent was convinced we got this in the bag. Right. Short period of time later, Harris is supposedly in the lead. Yeah. You know, Biden's gone.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
He's he's pushed off the surface there and she's in. So you're right. You know, between now and fucking anything, maybe the aliens visit.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
They just deceived the American public. And nobody seems to give a shit. Well, it's also why was anyone believing it?
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Maybe that's the only thing that's going to save us. The aliens? Yeah. Maybe that's the only thing. I don't even know how I feel about that. The more I talk about it, the more I feel like someone's lying to me. The more people I have on that talk to me about aliens, the more I feel like there's some nonsense going on. There's a layer of nonsense in that stuff. Yeah.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
I saw that interview you did with- Lou Elizondo? Yeah, Elizondo.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Well, if what he's saying is true, pretty fucking fascinating. There really is something bigger than an oil rig that's going 500 knots underneath the ocean, and they have video of it. It'd be kind of nice if you released that. They really do have 4K video of these crafts moving at insane speeds that are very high resolution, and you could see exactly what you're looking at. That'd be nice.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
I saw his explanation for why they wouldn't was because, well, we don't want to tip off the aliens, you know, that we know about it. I'm thinking... Is that the explanation? Yeah. So like if we do, if we say that, you know, if we alert the public, then suddenly they'll know about it and they may move up their plans to attack us sooner. And my my thought was I'm pretty sure if if if they can.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
build what they're building and move that way. They probably know what we're doing already, right?
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#2197 - Mike Baker
Yeah, and they probably have the ability to stop anything we're trying to do. Yeah. We're talking about something that can get here from another galaxy. I have a feeling they're a little bit more advanced than us. Yeah. When you go to the Amazon jungle and you visit an uncontacted tribe, you're not really worried about arrows if you have a tank.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
There is some evidence that human beings came across the Bering land bridge.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
So that probably means there was people already here and people came here from Asia.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
Unfortunately, that's just the thing when people are supposed experts in a subject and someone comes along that's also been studying it but from an untraditional perspective. People reject that.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
Well, it's also the same thing that we saw during COVID with medical experts that disagreed with the narrative. It's the same thing.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
When you take esteemed professors and doctors and physicians and you cast them into this kook label because they disagree with the narrative that the medical establishment is pushing, and then they turn out to be correct, which most of them did, you see the same patterns. It's just power. It's just power and people that...
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
Have their identity wrapped up in them being the ones that have access to the actual information. They don't want it to be distributed by some guy on Netflix. That's right. Even though you've been probably studying it more than them. Certainly studying particular aspects of it.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
Your wife's an amazing photographer. Like, who cares if she takes tourist photos? The photos are incredible. They're of real sites that are very pertinent and very interesting.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
Criticizing amazing photographs is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. Why would you criticize amazing photographs of ruins that are perplexing?
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
How could you find even an area where you want people to agree with you?
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
It happens in everything. You see it in martial arts. You see it in science. You see it in everything.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
resist absolutely being told what to think well the problem is these experts are human beings and human beings have very distinct behavior traits yeah that they exhibit especially when they're in a position of power and prestige yeah and they like to hold that and they like to it feels good for them to be a person that looks down upon the people that don't know better yeah and tell them what to do and tell them what to think
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
And when you're doing that with something like – look, if you're doing that with something like mathematics and someone's a mathematical expert, math is a very specific and precise science. It's very specific. Archaeology is like who fucking knows what's out there because you haven't searched everything. It's not possible to. And as we develop more –
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
These fascinating technologies like LIDAR, where you have the ability, ground-penetrating radar, all these different things where you can look into the soil itself and find things that aren't visible on the surface, see them through trees, see them through that. We're going to find more, and obviously in Brazil they have done it, in the Amazon they have done it.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
That's an interesting thing, too. We've talked about that before, but for people who've never heard those other podcasts, they've determined that the Amazon rainforest is at least partially man-made.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
And there's the other thing that you've discussed in depth, the terra preta, this man-made, incredibly rich, nutrient-dense soil that they can grow incredible agriculture off of that we really, to this day, don't know how they created. It's a mystery.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
So it's just large-scale regenerative agriculture using some old, lost method.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
By nature, so it's these spots of fertility all over the Amazon and we went into that mystery quite quite a bit in one of the episodes It's so interesting, especially when you consider the stories like the lost city of Z, you know, which they turned into an interesting film Yeah, but the the book details these records of these incredible cities that these people had visited a long time ago and then when they tried to go back there was nothing there and
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
Because everybody had died off because of European diseases, probably.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
But those cities were just consumed by the jungle. And much like Detroit, if you go to Detroit now, you can see there's a bunch of neighborhoods in Detroit that are essentially abandoned. And trees are growing right through the houses. And the houses are... I mean, that's just a few decades ago. And the houses are almost gone in some ways.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
If you went back 200 years ago, there'd probably be nothing left of them. And... This is probably exactly what happened in the Amazon, except the trees just consumed the landscape because it's such an incredible dense rainforest that things grow so quickly there.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
It's so wild that that happens. It's so crazy when most people probably aren't even aware. Everyone knows there was a genocide of Native Americans in this country, but most people don't know that 90% of them were wiped out by disease.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
Which is just unbelievable to think about. Millions of people just wiped out over the course of a few decades or 100 years by diseases.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
Is that true, the smallpox-infected blankets? Because I've heard that that was like a rumor or a myth.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
Right, because we had it forever in Europe. It's just so terrible when you read Cabeza de Vaca's story about visiting the Maya civilization. And you realize, like, that was – you guys fucking killed everybody.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
So what archaeology would like is to be in control of expressing that narrative in its fullest form. And I don't think they know.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
And if we're finding the oldest ships that we currently are aware of, which is, as you said, about 6,000 years ago, if you tack on another 6,000 years of decay on top of that, what are the odds you're going to find anything?
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
Not at all. How would that be racist if these were the most advanced seafaring people alive 6,000 years ago?
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
Well, Flint does that a lot. Yeah. He does that a lot. I saw him do that to Jimmy Corsetti online over uses of parentheses or brackets. Did you see that?
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
That somehow or another that's a code for Jews. Like I thought it – I thought what he was doing was avoiding – there's certain algorithms that pick up on particular words that you use. Like you ever see that people – They don't like if they want their posts to be more viral, they don't write the word shooter. They write S-H and then they put like two asterisks and then T-E-R-S.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
Now, if we had that evidence and that information when we were confronting Flynn, that would have been a very different conversation. Totally. But the arrogance in which he distributed that fake information, it's disturbing. It sucks when people just want to win and they don't want to get to the truth.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
Yes. So what people are trying to do by blanking out swear words and cutting out different words is that you can bypass algorithms that selectively remove or limit the distribution of those kind of posts with those keywords in it. Yeah. So that apparently was all he was trying to do was adding brackets to something to enhance the algorithm.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
But it's just like accusing someone of racism, it should be very clear what they're saying. It shouldn't be you have decided through some sneaky code to decide that this person's racist. Oh, this code means this. This is a commonly used code. Yeah. From what I understand, those use of brackets is just to trick the algorithm. Yeah. Just like the two asterisks for shooter.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
It's also the dumbest suggestion because the most sophisticated ancient civilization that's baffling people to this day is in Africa. So shut the fuck up. Shut the fuck up. It doesn't make any sense. Those were the most advanced human beings ever. And we are in disagreement. There's a lot of confusion and debate as to how long ago they were there.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
According to their hieroglyphs, they were there 30,000 plus years ago.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
But at the very least, those were people in Africa, okay? So all the racism shit should be out the window because no one's saying that was anybody else.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
They literally have images of themselves. We know what they look, you know, these drawings of what they looked like. We have statues of what they looked like. It was an African civilization. They were the most advanced people perhaps ever. I'm leaning towards ever.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
To put it into perspective, I always use this quote. I forget who came up with this, but it's a perfect analogy. Cleopatra lived closer to the invention of the iPhone than she did to the construction of the pyramids. Even if you use the conventional 2500 BC dating of the construction of the pyramids, which is also under debate. It's under debate, yeah.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
Even if that's true, even if it is 2,500 years ago, the most baffling thing is how did they do it? There's no simple answers. I don't give a fuck what anybody says. There's no simple answers. How did they do it? How did they have such incredible sophistication in their construction methods? How did they get those –
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
massive 80 plus ton stones 500 miles down from the mountains with no equipment, no heavy machinery. Whatever they did, I think it's reasonable to say that in a different way, I don't think they had iPhones, I don't think they had email, but they were probably more sophisticated than us today in their ability to manipulate stone and make constructions.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
And the truth is it's very fascinating. Another thing that was very fascinating that he discussed, I didn't watch your whole video, but it was about seeds. I asked the question, there's a very distinct, noticeable difference between domestic seeds and seeds that are wild. And the difference is the seeds that are wild, they break off easier because it –
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
What do you think of Christopher Dunn's work? Christopher Dunn came on the podcast and he explained his theory that he thinks the Great Pyramid of Giza was some sort of a power plant.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
it makes sense that it would help them prosper. It would help them be able to spread the seed if it broke off the plant easier. And so they can recognize that. And then when they start using large-scale agriculture, the seeds become more robust and stick to the plant because it makes sense that it would, if you're going to harvest all of the plants and then take the seeds off of it, for the plant,
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
Yeah, this is a 3D print of an actual stone vase. And it might be like not that exciting to people like, oh, what's the big deal? What the big deal is the precision in which this was constructed with handles on it. So it couldn't have been spun on a lathe because it has these two handles that are also cut out of the stone.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
And everything is precise to within thousands of a human hair, which is bananas.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
Now, there is some dispute of where these came from. There is some dispute about the – what is – have these been made in a modern way and has someone tried to replace – Are we looking at fakes or hoaxes?
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
The thing is, even if this was modern technology, we don't know what they did. No. We don't know what modern technology exists that you could take an incredibly hard piece of stone and cut it into this unbelievably precise little vase with handles on it.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
and some bizarre method that we don't know, and hollowed out the inside of it, and some of them with very thin necks, and then hollowed out inside. Like, how?
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
Do you know what it's called? I can't remember. Jamie's a wizard at finding things.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
That looks like something I'd find on my Land Cruiser.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
We're finding a bit of something larger. Wow. That looks like, to me, like some part of some kind of machine. Yeah. That's the only thing that it looks like.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
That's exactly what it looks like. If you know like automobiles and parts and you look at something like that, like, oh yeah, that goes probably in there somewhere.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
What is the conventional explanation of what this thing is?
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
Click on that, the disc, that article. Oh, okay. The Sabu Disc, an ancient Egyptian artifact from the first dynasty, 3000 to 2800 BC, found in 1936 in North, how do you say that? Saqqara? Saqqara, yeah. Saqqara Necropolis in Mastaba?
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
the plant to prosper, you would want the seeds to be more robust. So there's these changes. And I said, have they ever noticed a domesticated seed going back and having the characteristics of a wild seed? He said, no. But that's not true either.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
So it's at least 3,000 years old. They think it was used in- 5,000 years old.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
They think it was used in brewing beer as a mash rake to mix and even out the mixture of grains and hot water in a big mash tun. I don't know what that means.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
What is the mysterious Egyptian disk? It says it right there. That's it. Can we click on that? Can we go full scale on that so I can see what that looks like? Wow. That's wild. It really is. That is such a specific shape. Like, if you're going to just use that to make beer, it seems weird. And it's a lot of work to make beer. You could do it in other ways. That looks like some kind of a fan to me.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
It looks like something that would be on a belt. Yeah. You know, like on some sort of a...
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
It looks like a fan. It could be. It looks like those things underneath it. It looks like that's how you would funnel water or air through.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
Yeah. Cut out of one piece of stone. How did you do that? And how are the measurements of that? Oh, look, it's Giorgio. He says it's aliens. I'm just going to guess. Is this thing that's cut out of this incredibly hard stone, like- Do they have any sort of a guess of how someone would cut something like that out of stone?
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
That doesn't look super precise in terms of the radius of it when you're looking at it. It looks handmade, doesn't it? I'm sure it is handmade. The question is how. Right, but you know what I'm saying? So are these vases, right? Yeah, yeah. But there's something about it that's like a little more crude.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
But it probably didn't have to be precise because whatever it did probably just had a spin. And it survived through at least 5,000 years. It definitely looks like it was something that spun, right? Because you have that hollowed out piece in the center that you would have an axle on or something along those lines.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
Well, how do they weld stone? Apparently they carved that shape out of just one. That's crazy. Now that one looks ultra precise.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2215 - Graham Hancock
Well, go back to that one where it's spinning around. Yeah, look at it when it spins around. That looks pretty precise.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2215 - Graham Hancock
Well, also you've got to think, if it is made out of stone, some of the edges have to be beat up just from being in the ground for thousands of years.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2215 - Graham Hancock
Right. That's smooth. That does look like a recreation, doesn't it?
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
Put that back up. What are those things? Do you know what those are?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2215 - Graham Hancock
And that's one of the weirder things about Egypt, right? We don't think they had the wheel.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2215 - Graham Hancock
But I mean the people that built the pyramids. 2500 BC is not – like when do they think the wheel was invented?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2215 - Graham Hancock
I thought the conventional guess of when the invention of the wheel was was post the construction of the pyramids.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2215 - Graham Hancock
It's so nuts. It doesn't even seem like a thousand years more advanced than us. It seems like thousands of years more advanced.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2215 - Graham Hancock
Yeah. If you think about it, there's so many mysteries to it. For anybody to pretend that they have all the answers to something as perplexing as Egypt.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2215 - Graham Hancock
And they were documenting this journey to the afterlife. Absolutely. In hieroglyphs. And it's like, what were you documenting? How do you know? How did everyone agree on this particular myth or this story? I don't know.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
I appreciate that he came on and I thought it was going to be an interesting discussion, but... It turned out he played fast and loose with the truth and distorted quite a bit of information that were some key points that you had discussed, one of them being the amount of shipwrecks that were discovered. He greatly inflated the amount of shipwrecks that had been discovered.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
Consciousness itself is so confusing. Just consciousness. Just like what is it and why are we conscious? Is it local or are we tuning into consciousness? And when you die, where does that go? Where does that energy go? Is a soul a real thing? Like what is the essence of life? What is the essence of human life and human consciousness? Those are perplexing questions.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
Well, it kind of makes sense, a natural selection of the souls. In a way. If there's natural selection of humans and natural selection of animals that allows them to prosper and to get better and to evolve, it makes sense that that would happen with the soul as well.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
I'm just so confused as to what the environment was like that allowed these people to keep this insane civilization developing and innovating for so long. That they were so more advanced than anyone else that was alive back then that we're aware of, at least as far as like what we've uncovered, what they left behind.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
Yeah, but just the sophistication of the symmetry of the facial structure of the statues. Incredible.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2215 - Graham Hancock
Just bizarrely technologically advanced. Bizarrely. Because to perform something like that, you need incredible tools of measurement. Enormous statues that have faces that are absolutely perfectly symmetrical. How did you do that? How do you stand that up?
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
Well, it seems that what they were dealing with in terms of the resources in the Nile Valley was unbelievably bountiful.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
And that's probably one of the reasons before the climate shifted and changed and it became a lot of desert. Before that, it was probably incredibly bountiful and that allowed them to stay there. for a long period of time and not have to worry about food.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
They find whale bones there. Whales. So anybody who doesn't think there's a mystery in the Sahara Desert, and anybody who really tries to dismiss the notion that most of it hasn't been really excavated, but it really hasn't been.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
And the excavation, like, you would have to... You're dealing with a place where how many people even live there?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2215 - Graham Hancock
What is your take on the Reichardt structure? Am I saying it right? Reichardt structure.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2215 - Graham Hancock
Whether it shows that at one point in time it was probably submerged, like something happened?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2215 - Graham Hancock
Well, good for you. I like to spout it off. It's also like there's so many of those things that people thought were myth, like Troy.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2215 - Graham Hancock
Well, regardless of the argument that Flint tried to put forth that there's no evidence of what you're saying, the exaggeration of the shipwrecks, the stuff about seeds, the fact is this resonates with a lot of people. This mystery is perplexing. It's confusing. And there's a lot of it out there. It's not like one site like Egypt. There's a ton of sites. Yeah. The Sage Wall in Montana.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
It is hard to resist the conclusion. I mean, it's super hard to resist the idea that that's man-made. And especially if it goes deeper under the ground. And they think it does. They think it goes.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
We just don't know yet What's crazy is if that is how old is that thing? How old is it? Who knows who knows and if you're talking about? Footprints of people that live 22,000 years ago. Yeah, like what were they making things like what?
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
That's so awful. To deny anyone the ability to, especially we're going to put something like this on Netflix where millions of people are going to see it, deny people just the access through video of experiencing this site and the mystery that's attached to it. Like, who are these people? Why did they build this? What artifacts haven't been discovered that are inside of this thing?
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
Well, it's not unfortunate that there's a lot of people that are interested in it, though.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2215 - Graham Hancock
The whole thing's nuts. Like I didn't know that they could do that, but apparently they have. Not only that, databases get breached and they find your information.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
I agree. I mean, it's just disturbing how many times we can travel to ancient places like Greece or any place where you go to Rome and realize, oh, there's a thriving civilization here at one point. You were in Greece recently. Yeah, with Brian.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
Brilliant guy. But what a treat it is to have a tour of the Parthenon, the Acropolis, with him.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2215 - Graham Hancock
And, you know, we went to see the site of the Eleusinian Mysteries.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2215 - Graham Hancock
All that. It was very, very, very interesting, but just also sobering because you realize like this civilization did not make it. You know, this insane, fascinating, complex civilization crumbled. Yeah. And the idea that ours can't is one that we kind of hold dear. Like we're different. We got to figure it out. We're better.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
But there's so much evidence that that's just a normal pattern of human history.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
I want to go. I want to go. I'll tell you about an idea that was brought to me after the show. I can't talk about it now.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
You know, I imagine that as people get older and wiser and realize the folly of their ways, particularly in their youth, maybe he would be more open to the idea that the civilization is just this civilization, same civilization, but older than you think it is.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
I think people for a long time had this concept in their mind that changing the dates somehow negates the accomplishment of the people that lived in the prescribed date. You know, the somehow or another... The pushing it back. Yes, the pushing it back somehow or another. And they'll even say it's racist.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
I agree with you. When you're talking about Gobekli Tepe, one of the things that Jimmy Corsetti has talked about recently in his YouTube show is that they have stopped excavation and they've planted trees above some of the areas, which is very strange. It is. And they want the excavation to resume in 150 years? Yes.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
So, what would be a logical reason to not excavate these fascinating ancient sites that are at least 11,000 years old?
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
When you say suspicious, like what would be the motivation for discontinuing that kind of excavation other than the fear of destroying things?
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
Would also a conspiracy be that they had recognized that some of the area around Gobekli Tepe was older still, and they decided just the archaeologists didn't want to confront it, and they put a stop to it?
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
Found anything there, Jamie? I can tell you the... So how much of that area where Gobekli Tepe has been searched with LIDAR? Here it is. Here's the images. Look at that. Wow.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2215 - Graham Hancock
How many of the areas have been searched with LIDAR?
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
Kind of similar to the Easter Island heads. What's going on down there? It's a hog. What do you think it is? How weird are those structures? Yeah. You know, but like the way their hands are placed, it's kind of similar to the way the Easter Island hands are placed.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
Okay. Pause, please. We'll pause. We'll be right back. All right. We're back.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
So that particular image, is there any sort of a theory as to what they were trying, what that represented?
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
Very strange. Why does he have steps on his chest and a wheel? Like, what is that? You know, what is that spiral in the center of his body?
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
Bizarre, because look, there's a geometric pattern. It goes up and down with the steps, and it repeats on both corners, that one where it steps up and the other side where it steps down. Very strange.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
The area where the Olmec are, have there ever been LIDAR excavations or...
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
You released a video today that went over a lot of this stuff. And one of the things that went over is the oldest shipwreck that we are currently available. It's about 4,000 years old?
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
How much of the Amazon has been explored with LiDAR?
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
That would be incredible. Just imagine what's out there.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
Where specifically do they think that lost city of Z was? And did they try to explore that yet?
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
God, it seems like that has to be discovered. I mean, that has to be looked at. Just specifically, if we could just find that the lost city of Z was a real place.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
I mean, just finding lost city of Z is a legendary scene in the Amazon rainforest and British explorer Percy Harrison Fawcett. Mato Grosso. Mato Grosso. In Brazil, yeah. Theorized that the city was a refuge for people fleeing the destruction of Atlantis. Whoa. And its wisdom could still be found there. Wow. Yeah.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
Showing by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day. What's happening? Good to see you too, Joe. I watched episode one and I'm into episode two of your new season. Looks fantastic. Looks awesome. Fantastic information. But before we do anything, I think we should probably address what we know now about the debate that you had with Flint Dibble. So that was the last time we were here.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
Maybe a bunch, yeah. At the very least, it's clear that not enough is known.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
You can't be responding to the haters all the time. It's a bad word. But they include archaeologists. I know. But the reality is most people aren't listening anymore.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
I don't think that's working anymore because I think enough people have seen your work and enough people have heard you talk and they know that you're reasonable and intelligent and that there's something there. And the more people look at these images and the more people hear, people like Flint just out and out lie to try to dismiss these things.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
Well, that's the beautiful thing about the Internet. There's a lot of people out there that are very invested in these ideas and exploring them. And they also find it very uncomfortable that they're being confronted by these scholars, these people that are supposed to be the ones that are –
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2215 - Graham Hancock
The experts in this area that are dismissing things that shouldn't be dismissed, that are lying about statistics, just try to diffuse your argument.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
Right. And they think that somehow or another that exploring these ideas dismisses the legitimate work that archaeologists have already done, which I don't think it does at all.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
It is, because it reinforces all the things that you've been saying.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
Well, in some places that's your only option, like the Olmec culture where we don't know. We have these faces that don't look like – I mean it's confusing. They look like maybe they're from Polynesia, maybe they're from Africa.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
Well, my concern with that line of thinking is that we've seen evidence of that sort of destruction of the real history of people in America with how they forced Native Americans onto reservations and spoke – forced them into speaking English and forced them into learning Christianity.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
That we – there was a concerted effort to erase their history and their culture and that the conquerors imposed that on the people that were there.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
So it's possibly a myth of people that came over on ships that look different.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
When you hear about things like the lost city of Z, when you hear about all the different times where European explorers did make it to the Americas and spread their diseases, like, well, you're going to miss from those folks too. So who's to think that there wasn't multiple versions of that that happened all throughout history? Yeah.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
If it happened in the 1400s, it would probably happen a long, long time ago as well.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
The whole thing is so interesting and it never ends. And every now and again, a new discovery comes along that pushes back the date of humans in specific areas. I mean, look at the Denisovans. They only found out about them in like, what, 2010 or something like that?
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
Oh, I know what I wanted to bring up to you today because I saw this online. Maybe you could find it before I pull it up, Jamie, because you're that good. But there's a scientist that believes there's reason to believe that those Hobbit people on the island of Flores, that they exist currently. So this was...
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
Yeah, the hobbit-like species of early humans may still be living in the jungles of Indonesia.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
Yeah. Well, that's another branch of the human chain. When did they find out about this? It wasn't that long ago either.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
Very, very recent discovery. I wonder what this, the latest find is public on Tuesday, Journal of Nature Communications following the 2016 discovery of tiny arm bone and teeth. There's something that these people are considering. I don't know why. Is there any article that says they consider they're still alive today? That's what this one is? But that one, no.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
Yeah, this is it. Okay. Someone sent this to me. Yeah. So why do they think that there's might still roam? Well, this is just because of anecdotal stories, right? Because there have been multiple stories that people that live in the deep rainforest have said that they've encountered these.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
Especially small populations of them that are very remote and very difficult to get. There were reports of sighting by more than 30 eyewitnesses, all of whom I spoke with directly, and I conclude the best way to explain that they told me what they told me is a non-sapiens hominin has survived on Flores to the present or very recent times. Fascinating. Yeah. I would love to hear their stories. Oh.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
Maybe AI could decipher their language. Imagine they found them. You know how nutty it would be if they found a little three-foot-tall hairy human being that's still alive? Oh, my goodness.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
Well, it's a good thing to do if you have a good theory. Write a book.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
I know what you're saying. Yeah. I hope it's true. Of course. Of course. Of course. Because it's fun.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
I was going to say that earlier when you were talking about how you've never taken a vacation. I'm like, Well, you haven't, but your whole life's a vacation.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
Oh, no, it most certainly has. It most certainly has. You know, I first found out about you because of Fingerprints of the Gods. And one of the things that I found most fascinating when I started going into your work was the idea that the Ark of the Covenant exists in Ethiopia.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
That story is so nuts, and it sounds so ridiculous, and people go, what? The Ark of the Covenant's real? But then when you go into the history of these people that lived there, and they all suffered radiation poisoning, and it's like, wait a minute.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
And no one is going in there and trying to get to the bottom of it? They won't let you? They won't let you.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
It seems like someone should go look. What the hell is that? What's in there? I mean, if we really find out the Ark of the Covenant was an actual object. I think it was an actual object. And you think it was some nuclear something or another?
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
I mean, it's not like it's going to be, if it's radioactive, it's not like it's going to be contained just this one small area. You're going to have traces of it that leak out. That's true. Especially if people are getting cataracts from being in the room with it. Yeah. And so three different people you talk to have cataracts from that.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
Did he describe what it looked like, like the outside of it? Gold. Gold. Gold.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
That one to me is just like we know where it is. That one to me is so crazy that someone is keeping that information from the rest of the humans. Because if we found out the Ark of the Covenant was in fact a real object and we know where it is and it does match the description of the Bible, that kind of changes everything. Now all of a sudden the Bible is not just stories and myths.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
So when you're doing season two, what did you learn from doing season one that you applied to season two? Was there anything different about the way you went about it?
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
Well, it's also one of the things that's fascinating is just even with conventional archaeology, the dates keep getting pushed further and further back.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
But there's nothing left of the ship. And this is what's important. What he was trying to say was that it would be preserved by the cold water. That turns out to not be the truth at all. And that these ships that are 6,000 years old, there's nothing left of the actual boat itself. The only thing that's left is pottery and coins and things of the like.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
And this is one of the things, the White Sands, New Mexico stuff that you have on episode one.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
So if the Easter Island, if the island was settled at least 3,000 years ago, do we know where from?
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
And this script, can we see what it looks like? Can you find the Easter Island script, Jamie?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2215 - Graham Hancock
One of the things that's interesting about AI is that they believe that AI is going to be able to determine or decipher, rather, a bunch of different things that we currently can't.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
So the Easter Island, these enormous statues, one of the things they found, and I don't know when they started doing this, they dug deeper and deeper and deeper and found out that the heads that are above the surface are just a tiny part of it. So do you think that it's just natural erosion that covered up everything else?
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
Is that the same stuff they use for like gypsum board for construction?
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
Put that image back up again, please. So how much time do you think – I mean has there been speculation like about just natural layers of sediment being dropped down? How long would it take to cover something like that?
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
Is Robert Shock declining because of the criticism that he received about the Temple of the Sphinx? I'm not sure why.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
What year did he do the podcast, Jamie? He did our podcast back in the day. I want to say it was around 2015, 2016. Six years ago? Okay. Okay. So 2018, maybe that's why he stopped being your friend.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
So it looked incredible. So they found footprints there, and these are absolutely human footprints, and there's not just a few of them. There's thousands of them.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
Well, I'm assuming, I shouldn't be assuming, but I'm assuming it's the criticism. He probably wants to keep his job and he said everything he wants to say.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
Oh, I hope he still loves you. I hope so, too. Has anybody speculated about how much time it would take to cover those Easter Island statues with sediment?
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
How could they even know that that was happening? By what method could they make those calculations that the Earth wobbles on its axis every 26,000 years?
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
I think we also, when we talk about ancient people studying the sky, we think of the sky today. And our sky, unfortunately, is burdened by light pollution almost everywhere. Anywhere there's civilization, it's very difficult to see the stars.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
Whereas they had none of that, and they were in constant awe of this thing that they could see every night. And they probably had a very detailed understanding of where everything was.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
Because we don't have access to it unless you're in like deep wilderness and with a clear night sky.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
Bizarre. Yeah. It's a bizarre detachment that is propagated by technology. Oh, yeah. Very, very much so. Very weird, right? Because it's actually dangerous for us. Yeah. Because I think it makes us disconnected from the idea that we're connected totally to the universe and that feeling of awe that you get when you see a completely star-filled night
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
I've talked about this before, but I'll say it again. I was in the observatory in the Big Island, Hawaii. And when you go up to the Keck Observatory, the sky, you go through the clouds. And when you get up to the top and you look, you can't believe that you could see it. You can't believe. I've been there three times. three, four times. Only once did we really catch it.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
The last time was pretty good, but one time we caught it perfectly where there was no moon in the sky and the sky was completely clear and it was astounding. Astounding, yeah. you feel like it's a windshield and you are on a spaceship and you're flying through deep space. You see stars everywhere.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
We're in a convertible. We're in a convertible spaceship flying through the universe. That's really what it is. And you don't see it every day because of light pollution. And I think it's one of the most... It's one of the saddest things about our culture.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
It's incredible that you can go out at night and you can see and drive and go to your favorite restaurant and go to the movies and all kinds of nice stuff. But what we're trading off is literally our connection to this insanely beautiful thing.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
that hypnotizes you with its awe. If you get to go camping on a night where you see everything, it's incredible. It's one of the greatest things you could ever see. And it used to be there for everybody. And it used to be how they lived their life.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
What is the oldest version of astrology that we have?
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
Yeah, it's... I've always been fascinated by astrology, not like the newspaper astrology, like, you're a Cancer, so that means this. But the idea that the time you were born, the place on Earth you were born, where you were conceived, all these play a factor in your personality and that this was somehow or another mapped out by people thousands and thousands of years ago.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
I know a lot of people like to dismiss it as myth, and I've been one of those people, but part of me wonders if there is some sort of an impact that, look, we know that the gravity from the moon affects the tides. We know that we're mostly water. We know that there's some sort of an effect that planets and gravity and stars... must have on the entirety of the universe.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
And the idea that these very bizarre biological entities, that their personalities and their existence is in some way motivated, shaped, or at least influenced by the position in the stars in which they were born is very interesting. Because people studied that shit for a long time. If there was nothing to it, Why have so many generations of people studied it? I think it's a good question.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
And what was the root of it? Like, how the hell did they figure that out?
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
Yeah, it does make sense, but I've never heard anybody explain it. Have you ever talked to like a legitimate, air quotes, astrologer? No, I haven't.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
And so is it generally agreed that there is a connection between the methods or the design of the construction and the correlation between star systems? I don't follow the question quite. Is it agreed by archaeologists that the reason why these things are constructed in a very specific direction and in a very specific design, that it is mirroring the cosmos?
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
Which also means that there would have been a line 35,000 years ago as well.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
I recommend that to everybody, that Magical Egypt, the two DVD series that he had. They're amazing. My wife hated them. Because I was watching him so often. He watched this Egypt thing again. I couldn't stop. Yeah.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
Well, that's what aligned so interestingly with Robert Shock's – analysis of the water erosion. This is thousands of years of rainfall.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
I also thought it was really fascinating that he showed images, cropped images of this water erosion to other geologists. Neil agreed it was water erosion until they figured out where it was. There you go. And they were like, I'm not signing off on that.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
Well, we are very fortunate that you're out there, buddy. Thank you. We really are. Thank you. And I love your show. I love you. You're always fun to talk to.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2215 - Graham Hancock
There he is. There's two of you together. Yep, yep. All right, Graham. It's always a pleasure. Thank you, sir. Appreciate you very much.
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
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#2215 - Graham Hancock
Well, what I was going to ask is, as they're digging deeper and deeper and they're finding these footprints in White Sands, New Mexico, is there a possibility that they could dig deeper still and find things that are even older? Yes, absolutely. How do they know where to go?
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#2226 - Theo Von
I think so. Yeah, dude, you ever seen those guys? Homoerotic. It's like, hey, fish, I'm over here. I'm over here, boys.
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Ep 205: Kenan Thompson
Sunday's the day for my next bender, a bit of Pivarec, you know the beer juice close. I've had a little too much bourbon, and Norman's talking shit about the fucking poke, and I get down in the same way. Up on the roof like a cop's coming, and naked Samuel is feeling dangerous. I'm out to lunch here in New Orleans This woman doesn't look like I remember her And I get down in the same way