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"Billy Carson COULDN’T Fight Back" – Wesley Huff DESTROYS Fake Bible Lies & Debate Drama MELTDOWN | PBD Podcast | Ep. 532
Mon, 13 Jan 2025
Wesley Huff joins Patrick Bet-David on the PBD Podcast to discuss his explosive debate with Billy Carson, diving into faith, historical accuracy, and cultural shifts. They explore the growth of Islam, the challenges facing Christianity, and the impact of theological debates on modern society. --- 👕 GET THE LATEST VT MERCH: https://bit.ly/3BZbD6l 📕 PBD'S BOOK "THE ACADEMY": https://bit.ly/41rtEV4 📰 VTNEWS.AI: https://bit.ly/3OExClZ 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON SPOTIFY: https://bit.ly/4g57zR2 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ITUNES: https://bit.ly/4g1bXAh 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ALL PLATFORMS: https://bit.ly/4eXQl6A 📱 CONNECT ON MINNECT: https://bit.ly/4ikyEkC 👔 BET-DAVID CONSULTING: https://bit.ly/3ZjWhB7 🎓 VALUETAINMENT UNIVERSITY: https://bit.ly/3BfA5Qw 📺 JOIN THE CHANNEL: https://bit.ly/4g5C6Or 💬 TEXT US: Text “PODCAST” to 310-340-1132 to get the latest updates in real-time! ABOUT US: Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.
Chapter 1: What was the outcome of Wesley Huff's debate with Billy Carson?
Well, at first he said, you know, I didn't really understand that this was going to be as of a debate as it turned out to be. And I typically ask a fee. So he says he, you know, asked 50 grand for a debate. That was never... And so it was unfair because this is his kind of standard practice is that it costs $50,000 to debate Billy Carson.
And then he brought forward that there was some sort of interaction, formal debate that was being set up with another Christian that this was interfering with. Now, I doubt that that was the case. I've been part of events where debates have taken place. And why this conversation would have truly impinged on a later debate is unclear to me. But that was what he said.
And so at this point, Mark and Billy are friends. They've known each other for years. They live in the same neighborhood. And so... For the good faith of their friendship, Mark decides to do Billy a solid and hold on to the footage. But Mark contacted me only a couple days later and said, you know, here's the situation, Wes. It's not going to go out. Billy doesn't want me to put it out.
And I think Mark was a little bit uncomfortable with the fact that Billy didn't want it put out. And so I simply said, you know, that's fine. It's your podcast. But I'm going to make a video and simply say that this event happened. And so that's what I did.
And as things transpired, it was clear that not everything was adding up on Billy's side, but then also a lot of people were accusing me of actually making up the interaction. And so as that kind of took place- What percentage? Your own audience? No, just people online. Okay.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So go ahead. So you're saying, here's what happened. Some people are saying, I don't know, you're just making things up. That would have never happened. Billy's strong. He would never be able to, you know, you would never be able to hang with somebody like Billy.
Right. Yeah. And then I just kind of say to Mark, as we're talking back and forth, because we're communicating throughout, you know, the course of the aftermath of this. And I said, you know, hey, people are accusing me of lying, of making this up. And Mark was quite uncomfortable with that. Mark was quite uncomfortable with the fact that people are accusing me of dishonesty.
And so then he made a video where he said that it did happen. And in that video, he included a number of clips of the actual interaction.
But not the whole podcast.
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Chapter 2: Why did Billy Carson not want the podcast to air?
And I actually said when Billy sent me the cease and desist letter, I made a video where I said, I will actually adhere to all of the terms and conditions of this letter if you decide to run it back with me and we do it in person. Because I think Billy has a lot of claims about the Bible.
And I hope that our conversation kind of made him think twice about a lot of the claims he's made about the Bible, especially the ones that are patently false and can be verified even with just a quick Google search. But I think there are still things that Billy has said about
the history of Christianity, about biblical languages that do need to be corrected, not because I have some sort of vendetta against Billy, but because I want people to know what is true.
And as someone who has studied this stuff formally and does read Hebrew and Greek, and I want people to actually know what the reality of what these things concerning the historical reliability and the truthfulness and the verisimilitude of the Bible actually are.
Wes, let me ask you. I'm on your channel right now. I'm just kind of wondering who else you react to, right? Who else would be somebody where you would say is like a Billy Carson that, you know, share certain stories that, you know, has caught some traction? Who else would you say?
Yeah, I mean, it's an interesting question. I'm actually scheduled to do an online event with a guy named Aaron Abkay, who is a growing individual within. I think Aaron has more kind of his repertoire is a little bit more than Billy's. But my friend Stephen Boyce, who has a PhD and is brilliant, brilliant on church history. And I think his PhD research was actually on Gnostic gospels.
Him and I are going to do an interaction with Aaron and another individual as well. But I mean, off the top of my head, no one necessarily comes to mind. But there are, I mean, the internet is kind of a wild, wild west with this stuff and just claims that are made. I mean, I think it's emblematic in this conversation
We live in this world, but we live in a world where social media has kind of designed it where we're so used to claims being thrown out, but claims are not actual evidence. And so you can make a claim where you say something and because it's in 140 characters and we're so used to that, we think that that's actually rationale, but that's not rationale. That's an assertion.
An assertion is kind of like the roof of the building. You don't start building the building by the roof. That's the last thing to go on top. the foundation, the walls, everything internal. That's the rationale and the evidence. And then you put the assertion on top. But we live in this world where everybody's throwing out assertions. And we've actually forgotten how to articulate what
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Chapter 4: How did Wesley Huff prepare for the debate with Billy Carson?
Chapter 5: What are the key differences between Christianity and Islam?
Now the society around them heard about these strange Christians who were talking about, you know, with the Lord's supper, drinking blood and eating flesh. And then they knew that they were going out and they were, taking these babies from the garbage dumps. And so they started to develop rumors that Christians were cannibals.
And yet, despite what is a pretty heinous accusation, complete misunderstanding of what's going on, Christianity still grew. And some of the earliest critics of Christianity referred to Christianity as the religion of slaves and women. because it gave agency to these groups that were marginalized within society. So funny.
The mob's been around always, and it confuses and gaslights people all the time. Definitely. And Christians were accused of being atheists, A, being the negative participle, and then theos, meaning God, because they denied that the gods existed, and antisocial, because they wouldn't participate in the goings-on within society that were inherently religious. And so...
It's in this context that Christianity grassroots from the bottom up eventually goes from 11 scared disciples hiding in an upper room when Jesus is crucified to fundamentally taking over the Roman world within half a millennium.
And it's because of the faithful witness of the Christians who were being persecuted and yet were still proclaiming Jesus as Lord and were fundamentally speaking into the society that they lived in with a message that overturned the norms because it gave people purpose. And ultimately it gave them truth that the idea of God stepping out of eternity changes the paradigm.
I mentioned Glenn Scrivener. He has this really good illustration where he talks about all worldviews are some version of survival of the fittest. I'm paraphrasing him here, but what he says is all worldviews are some version of survival of the fittest in that you need to do right, you need to think right, or you need to feel right.
And Christianity is different in that the fittest steps down and sacrifices himself for the survival of the weakest. And that message, you know, we're just over the Christmas season, right?
The Christmas message of God becoming a baby and becoming vulnerable is both an example to us of humility and how we should live, but ultimately in worlds where might and power in a very abusive way are often seen as the way to go, Christianity subverts that.
in that Jesus could have taken cues from all the rulers of his day, of Caesar and of Herod, and later on during his earthly ministry of Pilate, right? He doesn't do that. He comes down, he humbles himself, he lives a life of a servant, and he gets murdered. And that changes the narrative. And then he rises from the dead and conquers sin and death.
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Chapter 7: How has the perception of Christianity changed in modern society?
I think that's where our society is confused, and that's where we need to speak into these situations and show that some of these things are actually sacred.
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Yeah, right, right, right. Magical age. I just got to get over this. You got what? Six more weeks, right? Seven more weeks, February 24th, until you're protected. So we got to hurry up. February 25th has got to come around the corner. But, okay, so did you go to a private school? Were you homeschooled? Or did you, you went to public?
So when we were overseas, I was raised in the British school system when I was really young. That's why Canadians think I have an accent because a lot of people here assume this is a Canadian accent. It's not. It's the leftovers from being like a few years in the British school system overseas. And then I was in the public school in Canada and then, yeah, public all the way along.
Were you ever exposed to porn?
Oh, of course. Yeah. I mean, I think fortunately... I'm not your typical guy in that that is not my struggle and proclivity. And I think I'm very blessed. I have other vices that I need to submit to the cross of Christ. But that one in particular isn't the one that I struggle with, but it is prolific. in our world today. Yeah.
A lot of people deal with that. And, you know, it's... When I was, again, military, we had a guy in the corner that had 1,000 VHS tapes of all the different kind of porns in the military. He was the coolest guy on campus. Everybody wanted to go find this big sergeant that we put up and... you would hear the craziest noise. You always knew he had something going on.
And he was a rock star for a lot of guys at that time. And then I come out and I run an insurance company and a business nationally, and I hear, hey, man, I'm really dealing with porn. I'm having a hard time with porn. I'm having a hard time with porn. What do I do with this? What do I do with that?
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