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Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard

Armchair Anonymous: Holiday Nightmare II

Fri, 20 Dec 2024

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Dax and Monica talk to Armcherries! In today's episode, Armcherries tell us about a nightmare holiday experience.Follow Armchair Expert on the Wondery App or wherever you get your podcasts. Watch new content on YouTube or listen to Armchair Expert early and ad-free by joining Wondery+ in the Wondery App, Apple Podcasts, or Spotify. Start your free trial by visiting wondery.com/links/armchair-expert-with-dax-shepard/ now.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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0.31 - 24.143 Dax Shepard

Wondery Plus subscribers can listen to Armchair Expert early and ad-free right now. Join Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts. Or you can listen for free wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome, welcome, welcome to Armchair Anonymous. I'm Buck Rogers and I'm joined by Monica Lightyear. What would the holidays be without crazy holiday stories on Armchair Anonymous?

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24.283 - 24.804 Monica Padman

People got them.

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25.044 - 36.23 Dax Shepard

They got them. They're going to keep coming. These are great. Hopefully they'll get you in the mood. Let me just quickly glance and make sure no animals have died prematurely. No, that's fine. Yeah, I think we're good here.

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36.43 - 36.91 Monica Padman

We're good.

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36.95 - 64.015 Dax Shepard

Yeah. Going to the holiday strong with crazy holiday stories. We are supported by Audible. Audible's best of 2024 picks are here. Audible's curated list in every category is the best way to hear 2024's best in audio entertainment. Like a stunning new full cast production of George Orwell's 1984. This is the one I am most excited to indulge myself with.

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64.269 - 73.342 Monica Padman

I'm so excited to listen to James, which is a new title by Percival Everett that is very, very hot right now.

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73.763 - 75.064 Dax Shepard

Well, there's so many good ones on the list.

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75.165 - 77.268 Monica Padman

We love Audible. This is how you go to bed.

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77.737 - 96.987 Dax Shepard

I love Audible. I swear by Audible. I can't wait to listen to the Orwell 1984 off this list. I'm also doing Fleas by autobiography right now, which I'm obsessed with. I can't get enough Audible in my life every night. Go to audible.com slash DAX and discover all the year's best waiting for you. That's audible.com slash DAX.

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98.246 - 110.496 Dax Shepard

Okay, this is great because people may remember a while back, you and I have debated which is better, acetaminophen or ibuprofen. We sure have. So for me, particularly headaches, I got to go Tylenol.

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110.676 - 110.836 Monica Padman

Yep.

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110.916 - 112.917 Dax Shepard

But I do like Motrin for muscle pain.

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113.118 - 113.778 Monica Padman

I like Motrin.

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114.058 - 115.059 Dax Shepard

Yeah, you won't even play.

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115.079 - 116.861 Monica Padman

I play.

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116.901 - 118.242 Dax Shepard

What about for headaches though?

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118.382 - 119.743 Monica Padman

I mean, I'm Motrin.

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120.197 - 121.098 Dax Shepard

You're team Motrin.

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121.178 - 123.842 Monica Padman

I'm just team Motrin. Stop trying to make me who I'm not.

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123.902 - 134.997 Dax Shepard

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135.457 - 137.8 Monica Padman

They did this for us to save our relationship.

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137.82 - 158.299 Dax Shepard

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158.499 - 172.325 Dax Shepard

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195.002 - 196.707 Dax Shepard

Hi, Tracy. Nice to meet you.

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197.208 - 206.054 Tracy

Nice to meet you both as well. Well, thanks for taking my story. When you guys started Armchair Anonymous, I was like, man, I got a story.

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206.514 - 209.336 Monica Padman

Oh, I'm so excited.

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209.637 - 216.221 Tracy

So this is a Christmas story that happened about 20 years ago on Christmas Eve.

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216.401 - 217.302 Dax Shepard

Okay, 2004.

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217.542 - 224.247 Tracy

Yeah, so our children at the time, Daniel, he would have been about 13 and Abby would have been about 8 years.

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224.79 - 229.775 Dax Shepard

Hold on a second. You do not look nearly old enough to have had a 13-year-old in 2004.

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230.536 - 236.322 Tracy

I will be 56 tomorrow. Nice! Also, happy birthday. Thank you.

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236.582 - 238.604 Dax Shepard

Also, you're looking very foxy.

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238.824 - 241.387 Monica Padman

Yeah, you're aging very gracefully.

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241.527 - 257.856 Tracy

I'm having about 100 hot flashes now because I'm a bit nervous. Okay, that's all right. As the mom, the head shopper, my goal every Christmas when the kids were younger was to really have a great day. And it's not just about gifts, but a lot of it is about the gifts.

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258.806 - 260.487 Dax Shepard

They never hurt. It's a big deal.

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260.547 - 283.546 Tracy

Yeah. And it's not about the quantity. It's just about making sure that they're getting what they put on their Santa list. So I'm in sales and at Christmas time, I'm super busy. So I always try to get everything done before we get into December. And I think it was like December 3rd. I hauled everything out and was going through everything. And we have to have the same amount per kid.

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283.606 - 302.681 Tracy

The Christmas spirit is happening in that bedroom as well as you get my drift here. So I'm making everything fits in the stockings appropriately and I'm making lists. Okay. Abby's done. Daniel needs a couple of things and it's getting late. It's 1230. So I tie everything up to make sure that I know where it is.

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302.941 - 308.687 Tracy

And went down two flights of stairs and we have this crawl space that no one goes in because we're frightened to death of the crawl space.

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308.927 - 310.448 Dax Shepard

Nothing's scarier than a crawl space.

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310.929 - 333.188 Tracy

Oh, yeah. It's terrible. I threw them down over the stairs and I went, oh, no one's going down here tomorrow. I'll put it in the crawl space when the kids go to school. So let's go ahead to Christmas Eve that year. And we're having a great day, visiting family. And I'm having some wine. Sean's driving. Mom is partaking. Nothing serious, just having a couple of drinks.

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333.648 - 350.121 Tracy

And we said, okay, it's time to go home and get the kids straight away and read our stories and do our traditions. And myself and my husband, Sean, we sit on the couch. And it's actually an unbelievably beautiful evening. The snowflakes are coming down. We're just getting ready to have a cocktail.

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350.582 - 351.783 Dax Shepard

This is the dream.

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351.803 - 374.379 Tracy

This is not the norm. Usually it's just a gong show. And I'm a stress bag. Is everything okay? I got to cook a turkey tomorrow. Is that out? He looked at me and said, you are doing so good. I said, I know. This is great. So it's getting late. It's about 10-ish. And I said, let's get everything organized for under the tree. So that's done. And then we can just relax for an hour before we go to bed.

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374.719 - 390.511 Tracy

He said, all right, I'm going downstairs and getting everything organized. So I'm looking out the window and life is perfect and I'm just so happy with my family. I could hear him open up the crawl space. Then I heard him close the crawl space. Then he opened the other crawl space.

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390.692 - 406.635 Tracy

And when he opened the second crawl space and closed it and he went over to the third one, I just kind of like perked up. Yeah, yeah. And he called out, he said, Trace, where are the gifts? Yeah. And I was like, they're in the same place they always are. And I started to go downstairs.

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406.675 - 429.117 Tracy

And at that point, tent is thrown out, Coleman stoves, every piece of hockey equipment Daniel owned, every old toy that the kids had from growing up that you just throw in the back of that. Things are going everywhere. And I'm like, what the actual fuck? is going on here. Yeah. I said, it's right there. I know no one opens this door. The kids don't look there because they're terrified of it.

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429.518 - 449.714 Tracy

He's in the other crawl space. Then he's out in the garage and the garage door is opening and closing. We're not giving in to the panic, but it's just on the surface. And we start to go back to the night that I did all the gifts. And we realized when I threw them down over the stairs, the next day was garbage day. Oh.

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453.607 - 457.432 Monica Padman

No.

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457.772 - 480.895 Tracy

So now it is 11 p.m. on Christmas Eve. And I'm just like, oh, yeah, what's open? What's open? What are we going to do? What are we going to do? And at that point, he actually started to cry. And I was like, oh, no, no, no. He was like, I threw the mountain. I said, well, I threw the down over the stairs.

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481.295 - 493.023 Tracy

I'm thinking I have to get up in the morning and tell those two little children, one who is the big believer of the Christmas spirit, that their parents are idiots and there was no Santa.

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493.103 - 496.765 Dax Shepard

And we chucked all your presents. We had gotten you all the stuff you wanted.

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497.085 - 519.597 Tracy

Yeah. Oh, my God. Listen, people have really bad shit going on in their lives. I'm going to tell you, this was the worst feeling I had in my life up to that point. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got a bit of a hangover starting on top of it. I got a headache. I'm crying. Sean's freaking out. We're just like, we are the worst parents. And then Abby wakes up and goes, what's going on?

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520.117 - 540.762 Tracy

My Santa's here and you guys are awake. And I'm like, just go back to sleep. And there's no cell phone. So I'm not texting my girlfriend and going, help. It's getting late. I called my mom. My mom had just been recently retired. So she would like tinker around in stores and that little gift shops and secondhand stores. She said, okay, I'm on my way. And she brought this box.

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540.882 - 545.423 Tracy

I mean, I looked in it and there was comics from 1982. Oh my God. Okay, that'll do.

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545.463 - 546.104 Dax Shepard

Shut up.

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547.964 - 567.535 Tracy

Sister and husband and two kids were living overseas in Qatar, and they were home for Christmas. And she's really super organized, so I knew she'd have some stuff in a tickle trunk somewhere. She said, I got some goodies. We're going to come over. I was getting so late, and we took all the stuff they had and started poking it in stockings and unwrapping stuff.

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567.575 - 574.999 Tracy

And there was gifts that Sean's family, they live in Calgary, they sent to us, and I started unwrapping those saying, could we use some of this?

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575.079 - 576 Dax Shepard

Desperate times.

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576.48 - 584.364 Tracy

Yeah. So now it's two o'clock in the morning. I am a broken, destroyed human.

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584.384 - 586.305 Dax Shepard

You've wrapped up a bunch of bullshit.

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587.665 - 608.398 Tracy

We just go to bed. Sean goes, I don't know. This is going to be bad. I'm like, we're idiots. Couple hours later, Abby wakes up and she's super excited. She has no idea what's going on. And she goes into Daniel's room and gets him up. The rules are you're not allowed to go downstairs. Mom and dad have to go down, get the video camera going. Like it's the old fashioned video camera.

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608.418 - 624.282 Tracy

There's no phone. Me and Sean aren't even speaking to each other. We're just looking around going, this is so bad. Come downstairs and they start going through their stuff. And because Daniel, I still had to get him a couple of things. He did okay.

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624.542 - 626.343 Dax Shepard

He liked the 10-year-old comic books.

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628.005 - 629.265 Monica Padman

These are vintage.

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630.126 - 650.881 Tracy

Sean's sister Trudy had a camera with an SD card. That was a gift he wanted. And at the time, this is when brand names like Nike and West 49, the skateboard clothes was good. And it was expensive. And he had asked for this specific sweatshirt. It wasn't there. Oh, no. Anyway, Abby's going through her stocking.

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650.941 - 673.624 Tracy

So she's this little eight-year-old girl that the spirit of Christmas is alive and well inside of her. And she's digging her hands into everything. And everything she takes out, she looks at it with this little look on her face like, what did Santa bring me? And then smiles and lays it down. And she goes through everything. She takes out the comic books, covers off it.

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673.664 - 683.276 Tracy

I'm like, how did I put that one in there? 1979, I'm sure. And she's just like, oh, wow. I am just shell shocked.

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693.363 - 713.597 Dax Shepard

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839.522 - 845.967 Monica Padman

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846.067 - 846.488 Dax Shepard

They were.

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846.608 - 848.189 Monica Padman

Yes, and it looked fun.

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848.329 - 856.316 Dax Shepard

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864.949 - 895.398 Tracy

the bottom of the stocking she hauls out this little clear cylinder package and it's all filled with gold like gold chain i don't know what it is she goes mommy what is this i said let's just open this up so we open up i don't know what it is as it opens up it unfolds into like a cleopatra costume headdress oh fun that's great it's like a chain mail hat Absolutely. So I put it on her little face.

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895.778 - 917.643 Tracy

Some of her teeth are adult teeth. Some are little baby teeth. She's got this weird old crooked smile. She puts this thing on. It goes over one eye and she looks at me and she goes, mommy, my princess. And I remember thinking that sweet little child does not care. Yeah. She doesn't know. Yeah.

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917.663 - 920.364 Dax Shepard

She likes that she was thought of by Santa. Yeah. Yeah.

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920.788 - 929.089 Tracy

And I just remember looking at her and my heart just soared. And I went, baby, it is beautiful. You are Santa's little princess.

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929.169 - 931.97 Monica Padman

This is gorgeous.

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932.11 - 953.495 Tracy

And just thinking, oh, my goodness, did we pull this? Anyway, I took Daniel aside. He was older. And I said, buddy, I am so sorry. He said, mom, I got everything I wanted. This is great. And we kind of just went, oh, my goodness, we pulled this off. Daniel knew, but he kind of just parked it in his memory.

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953.535 - 961.718 Tracy

And quite a few years later, I've said to the kids, do you not remember that crazy Christmas? And they were, no, no idea. That's hard.

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961.818 - 967.681 Dax Shepard

That's informative. Maybe we put too much effort into it. Just wrap shit up, dump it under the tree.

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968.761 - 980.347 Tracy

It was the worst feeling ever. I thought I'm going to get up in the morning and tell that sweet little eight year old that there's no Santa. And that crushed me.

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980.947 - 994.754 Monica Padman

OK, I think this is what I would have done. I would have written a note from Santa and it would have said something along the lines of Santa couldn't make it everywhere this year. And so he's coming back in a couple of days. OK.

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995.811 - 996.511 Dax Shepard

All right.

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996.831 - 1003.593 Monica Padman

And in the meantime, the elves dropped off some trinkets. But the real presents are coming in a couple of days because he got in over his head.

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1004.053 - 1008.034 Dax Shepard

Okay. So you throw sand under the bus. Of course. Okay. That's what he's there for.

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1008.074 - 1011.315 Tracy

We ended up once everything opened up, we took the kids shopping.

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1011.655 - 1012.835 Dax Shepard

Let them pick out what they wanted.

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1013.156 - 1014.736 Tracy

Shopping spree. Have fun.

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1014.936 - 1035.93 Dax Shepard

Yes. People get cancer diagnoses. Those are worse. But. When you have just spent this much time getting the gifts, then wrapping them, then putting them perfectly in the thing, there's a lot that's going wrong at once. You've wasted all that time, all that money, and then you have Christmas morning coming. So there's a lot there to be frustrated with. Third option, I would have just gone cash.

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1036.17 - 1043.794 Dax Shepard

Okay, Santa brought cash this year. He wanted you to know you're old enough to go shopping, like made a whole thing about that. Just spent like in a pinch.

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1043.814 - 1046.556 Monica Padman

But you also want them to be opening the stuff.

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1046.576 - 1048.197 Dax Shepard

We'll wrap each bill individually.

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1048.817 - 1049.737 Monica Padman

Yes, yes.

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1050.338 - 1055.14 Dax Shepard

Tracy, where in Canada are you? You have the most specific accent, and I'm so curious.

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1055.54 - 1056.96 Tracy

St. John's, Newfoundland.

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1057.461 - 1062.242 Dax Shepard

I had a weird hunch, because it's almost got a hint of Scottish in it, doesn't it, Monica?

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1062.362 - 1064.823 Tracy

Oh, okay. Maybe Irish sometimes.

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1065.644 - 1066.744 Dax Shepard

Yeah. I love that.

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1066.844 - 1069.105 Tracy

Beautiful island on the east coast of the country.

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1069.365 - 1070.946 Dax Shepard

And home to the cutest dogs ever.

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1071.386 - 1076.731 Tracy

Oh, yes. The new flying dog. They're big. Big boys. Wow. That was fantastic.

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1076.751 - 1086.899 Dax Shepard

Yes. Thank you, Tracy. And sorry that you guys went through that. I love that the perfect buzz with the snowflakes turned immediately to a hangover. That's kind of my favorite part because I know that moment.

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1087.279 - 1108.557 Tracy

Oh, my head almost blew off my shoulder. When the kids were young, I used to always try to have Christmas Day at the house. Didn't want to disrupt them from their stuff. So my family would come over. So my older sister, my younger sister, we're all like little bit glam queens. And they showed up like just superstars. I'm still in an old T-shirt with mascara down my face. And they're like,

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1108.717 - 1131.463 Tracy

what the heck is going on with you? I said, you're never going to believe what happened. This is the worst day ever. Well, not the worst day. This was just the worst situation. We threw out Christmas. Every year for about 10 years after that, at 4.30, I would run and just look for the gifts. Just get my eyes on them. Because I knew that everything's closing in about an hour.

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1131.663 - 1136.365 Tracy

If they're gone, I can hightail it to a Walmart or to a store and just buy something.

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1136.465 - 1137.425 Dax Shepard

Double safety check.

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1137.625 - 1140.307 Monica Padman

It's a good cautionary tale story as well for people.

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1140.427 - 1147.07 Dax Shepard

Sure. Do a few check-ins with those gifts leading up. Well, Tracy, that was a delightful story. Thank you so much for telling us.

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1147.251 - 1151.233 Tracy

Oh, thank you for having me. Can I get my husband to come in and say hello?

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1151.253 - 1157.238 Dax Shepard

Sure, of course. Hello, Sean.

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1157.698 - 1160.722 Sean

In my defense, they were in green garbage bags.

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1160.762 - 1162.764 Monica Padman

That's fair. How would you have known?

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1162.824 - 1168.309 Dax Shepard

You were being a very nice gentleman and taking the trash out. This is not on you. And it's not on Tracy, but it is on Tracy.

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1168.389 - 1186.116 Tracy

No, it's not. My girlfriends were trying to blame him. I said, no, I threw those down the stairs and should have tucked them away. The green garbage bag at the time was the downfall of that evening. That's for sure. It's been a fun story for a long, long time.

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1186.396 - 1190.019 Dax Shepard

Well, it's lovely meeting both of you. Yes. Have a great holiday.

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1190.139 - 1191.52 Tracy

You as well. Thanks so much, guys.

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1191.64 - 1200.672 Dax Shepard

All right. Bye-bye. Yeah, they have like almost Irish accents. The dad did too. All right. Let's talk to Lori. Hi. Is this Lori?

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1200.692 - 1201.853 Lori

This is Lori.

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1202.013 - 1205.155 Dax Shepard

Hi, Dax. Monica, nice to meet you. Are you in your office?

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1206.456 - 1208.637 Dax Shepard

And what's your university poster I see?

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1208.697 - 1218.043 Lori

That is Ohio University in Athens, Ohio. So I'm a proud graduate of OU. Currently, I'm living outside of Cincinnati.

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1218.303 - 1219.764 Dax Shepard

In Ohio still, not in Kentucky.

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1219.884 - 1227.65 Lori

I actually do live in Northern Kentucky, but I work in Cincinnati, right across the river. So I have a very nice view of the Cincinnati skyline.

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1227.89 - 1233.074 Dax Shepard

Oh, beautiful. And that's the home of Josh Hutcherson. Do you know that actor? He's a Northern Kentucky boy.

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1233.094 - 1234.314 Lori

Yes, he is.

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1234.535 - 1236.576 Dax Shepard

Okay, so you have a crazy holiday story.

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1236.956 - 1264.047 Lori

I do have a crazy holiday story. This happened in Cincinnati as well in 2008, 2009. Some history on me. I had lost my mom about two years prior to that. very young. She was 52. And I was going through a lot grieving, probably self medicating with food and alcohol, just let myself go a little bit. So I decided to join a gym. And just kind of entertainment dated me a little bit.

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1264.287 - 1283.55 Lori

So I chose a place I won't name any names, but it's known primarily for focusing on being for women only. They were primarily targeted to older crowd. I mean, I'm 30 at this point. Most of the women who were going to this gym were 20 to 30 years older than me. It was a good start for me to get back into working out.

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1283.67 - 1298.557 Lori

I also got to talk to people who were my mom's age, have some maternal healing there, and actually just talk to other women who had lost their mother. I was the only one at that time in my friend group because I was so young and she was so young. They really didn't have anyone to talk.

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1298.962 - 1306.632 Lori

relate to, you know, mess with different ladies and we start hanging out outside the gym, having dinner, going for a drink, going art fairs, craft fairs.

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1306.712 - 1315.223 Dax Shepard

Yeah, I feel like that would be a good crowd to stumble into. They're like older gals who are making an effort to stay healthy. They're probably engaged in a lot of ways in life.

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1315.578 - 1337.819 Lori

Yes, it was very good. It was what I needed at that point. And realizing that everybody is going through different things and grief doesn't have a timeline. Right. One of the ladies was having a Christmas party. We were doing a white elephant gift exchange. They specifically said, bring something that's already in your house. So that you're not spending any money on anything.

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1338.079 - 1355.751 Lori

So a bunch of us go to the party and we start this gift exchange. With this particular format, you didn't open the gift until everybody had picked and all the gifts were stolen. So really, people were doing it based on the shape and the size of the bag or the packaging.

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1355.771 - 1360.214 Dax Shepard

Oh, they were doing stealing before the reveal. That's different. That is interesting. Yeah.

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1360.354 - 1380.618 Lori

Yeah. If it was heavy, if you could shake it and make noise. So there was probably 20 of us or so. We get through. Everybody gets their final gifts. And then we're going around the room. opening the gifts. They're getting Christmas decorations. They're getting ornaments. They're getting wreaths. They're getting candy. They're getting, you know, just all kinds of different items.

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1380.838 - 1383.159 Dax Shepard

You can say a bullshit from other people's houses.

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1383.239 - 1395.184 Lori

Yeah, or things that people have re-gifted. They may have gotten it for Christmas last year. Sure, sure. Then I pull out this item that looks and feels like it's a vase.

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1395.845 - 1396.265 Monica Padman

Uh-oh.

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1396.627 - 1402.471 Lori

It's got a cover on the top with a cover, almost like a paper that's been taped on the top of it.

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1402.691 - 1405.112 Monica Padman

So it might be used. Yeah, I know what it is. Yeah, me too.

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1405.233 - 1434.008 Lori

I pull it out. I'm looking at it. I'm trying to figure out what it is. And I hear a voice coming from the back. One of the older ladies said, well, I was told to bring something that I already had. And this is my husband. Well, it's my husband's ashes. And he wanted me to spread them in a local park. And I just can't bear to do it alone. I couldn't bear to do it at all.

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1434.568 - 1437.169 Lori

So I thought that if I came here.

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1437.209 - 1438.23 Dax Shepard

This is not what I thought.

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1438.35 - 1438.89 Lori

Oh, you didn't.

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1439.11 - 1443.032 Dax Shepard

I thought it was a dildo. Oh, for sure. No. That's where we were going.

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1443.112 - 1444.233 Monica Padman

I knew it was ashes.

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💬 0

1444.453 - 1447.354 Dax Shepard

You knew it was. Who would give someone an obligation?

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1447.534 - 1450.376 Monica Padman

Because death was a part of this story.

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1450.796 - 1452.837 Dax Shepard

Okay. So this is healing, maybe.

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1603.55 - 1621.184 Lori

You know, I thought that if I gave it to someone that they could help me or they could then take the ashes and dispose of them the way that she wanted them to. And I mean, she was very emotional saying this. And I was still sort of in a grief state.

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1621.444 - 1623.606 Dax Shepard

Now you have someone else's ashes.

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1623.726 - 1642.855 Lori

Yeah. The whole room was quiet. Like nobody was saying anything at this point. you know, I was like, okay, Ruby, I'll help you with this. So then kind of just sat there and I wasn't the last one to open. So there was still some other gifts that people needed to open and everyone's done opening the gifts and we're mingling around again. I was 30.

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1642.915 - 1646.497 Lori

So everyone at that point felt so much older than me. Yeah.

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1646.577 - 1649.278 Dax Shepard

Right. If she was 58, you thought she was 70.

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1649.578 - 1667.494 Lori

I feel like she was at least in her seventies. I go over, I give her a big hug and I said, Ruby, I'm going to help you with this. We're going to do this. She may have at some point told me what her late husband's name was. I don't remember that. But she's like, we'll do this for him. And we'll make sure his wishes are all met.

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1667.595 - 1670.937 Dax Shepard

We'll get Mark all spread out over the... Right.

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1671.798 - 1681.765 Lori

We're not facing each other. We're hugging. So she's on my shoulder. And I hear her. And I think that she's crying. And she's actually laughing. Uh-oh.

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1681.846 - 1684.405 Monica Padman

Oh. Oh, God.

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1684.505 - 1697.072 Lori

He says, oh, honey, that's not my husband. What? Those ashes are from my outdoor fire pit. And I just thought that this would just make such a funny gift exchange and a fun story to tell.

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1697.172 - 1699.373 Dax Shepard

Oh, my God. Oh, it was a prank.

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1699.953 - 1720.358 Lori

a holiday prank oh wow about their dead husband but that's like really sick she should write for a really dark comedy sketch yeah that's next level crazy it was not what i expected at all you don't expect to get a base of someone's ashes and then come to find out that it's not a face yeah this is a real roller coaster for you

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1721.198 - 1725.427 Dax Shepard

Yeah. Did you laugh with relief at that point? Like, oh, thank God I don't have to spread this.

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1725.728 - 1740.138 Lori

Yes. There was a lot of relief. Grief is hard. So I was just trying to let people deal with things the way they could. Yeah. But it was just a very odd situation. And she did end up giving me a candle that she had bought.

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1740.958 - 1761.512 Dax Shepard

I admire this woman because when the present was opened, everyone got uncomfortable. And that was an opportunity if she was losing her resolve to go like, I'm just kidding. It's from, you know, but she resisted and she let everyone walk away thinking she was nuts. The commitment to this bit is really admirable. We must tip our hat to her.

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1761.772 - 1768.417 Monica Padman

But then what does she get from it? The joy of a prank is to then be like, just kidding.

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1768.537 - 1777.944 Dax Shepard

But she was intrinsically motivated, which we would all aim to be. She just knew in her own heart, this is hilarious. They all think this is real. That's next level. That's like Andy Kaufman.

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1777.964 - 1807.447 Lori

And I think she was known to be a prankster. I just didn't know her that well at this point, but probably about Ten years after that, she herself did pass and a few of us from that gym did go to the funeral. And we heard a lot of other stories of the different pranks and just funny things that She just tried to do to live life and make people laugh and smile, even if it was the dark humor. Wow.

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1807.467 - 1809.589 Dax Shepard

I kind of like her. I would have been friends.

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1809.709 - 1831.761 Monica Padman

I like you. I'm very impressed. I know that I would have felt fucked with, especially if I was in the middle of grief myself and had lost my mom. And then I was having these ashes and I'd be like, oh, I guess I got to do the right thing, even though I don't want to do this. And I got to help this other person. And then it was all a lot. I would be so pissed. So I'm impressed.

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1832.182 - 1838.487 Lori

I'm not a super confrontational person, so I was probably just letting it right out. Yeah. Wow.

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1838.647 - 1839.207 Monica Padman

Interesting.

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1839.427 - 1851.76 Dax Shepard

Baller prank, especially at an all ladies, some widow Christmas party. Yeah. Yeah. That's something you might expect at a fraternity or the Friars Club. Sure, sure. Right.

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1852.02 - 1856.521 Lori

But it was something I'll never forget. And I have just a silly story from it.

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1856.641 - 1857.382 Dax Shepard

She gave you a gift.

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1857.602 - 1864.003 Lori

Yeah. Now that I've told it to the masses, not something I could do in the future. Just try to pull a prank on someone else.

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1865.104 - 1869.865 Dax Shepard

Well, Lori, we're grateful that you told us that. I like that woman. This now past woman.

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1870.245 - 1871.885 Dax Shepard

Rest in peace. Spunky gal.

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1872.065 - 1873.826 Lori

She was very spunky. It was great.

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1874.363 - 1875.805 Dax Shepard

Well, happy holidays to you.

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1875.825 - 1876.826 Lori

Thank you.

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1876.846 - 1879.849 Dax Shepard

I hope you get a legit present this year at White Elephant.

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1880.149 - 1880.67 Lori

I better.

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1880.85 - 1895.166 Dax Shepard

All right. Take care. Okay. Last one. David. Bring us home, David. Oh, can you hear us now? Hey, how are you? Wonderful. How are you, David?

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1895.847 - 1903.596 Sean

I tell you what, I'm doing okay. Thank you. You want to know something so bizarre? Yeah. I have that painting of the Great Dane. You do not.

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1903.616 - 1904.297 Dax Shepard

You have this painting?

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1904.317 - 1917.13 Sean

You have that exact one? The exact same one. No. How did you discover yours? My mom. Oh. Wow. I had a house for a long time with nothing on the walls and she's like, here's a great Dane. And it's the exact same one.

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1917.19 - 1919.251 Monica Padman

Oh my God. Is it a famous painting?

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1919.472 - 1925.257 Sean

Well, it is. I would probably get some stock in it if I could.

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1925.417 - 1944.251 Dax Shepard

Yeah. So David, I had moved into a house. It was completely empty. I didn't know what to do. I just started surfing around the internet, looking at images I could order. And I stumbled upon this one. I'm like, I love that great Dane. And I have another one that matches and it's a whippet. Oh, yeah. Best Frisbee dogs. Sure, sure. They're lightning fast. Where are you at, David?

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1944.511 - 1946.392 Dax Shepard

I live in Gilbert, Arizona. Where's that?

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1946.752 - 1950.014 Sean

Just outside of Phoenix, but I'm originally from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.

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1950.374 - 1952.516 Dax Shepard

Okay. Very similar vibes to Detroit.

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1952.796 - 1957.058 Sean

Yeah, very much. I think we did a little bit better in the Rust Belt, but hey, what can you do?

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1957.338 - 1959.68 Dax Shepard

Both heavy industry towns with a lot of drinking.

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1959.96 - 1960.76 Sean

You got that right.

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1961.24 - 1968.487 Dax Shepard

Funny you say that. Oh, ding, ding, ding. It's what this story's about. Okay, wonderful. Please tell us about it.

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1968.767 - 1984.322 Sean

This is a long time ago, 89 to 91. Not even sure if I remember. But on New Year's Day, there's the Polar Bear Club. And my friend, Billy, had a house with an in-ground pool. So he had a party every year, as you can see.

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1986.194 - 1990.319 Dax Shepard

Oh, lovely. Right. So he chopped a little hole by the ladder.

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1990.639 - 2015.42 Sean

So we hop in, swim to the wall and back and out. Oh, God. A bunch of us did this and kept going back inside, drinking a lot of tequila, a lot of Sierra Nevada pale ale in a keg back then, which was like unheard of. especially in Pittsburgh. That's an expensive K. We had to special order it in. But anyway, got his fireplace going. We're having a great time. We decide, hey, let's go do it again.

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2015.44 - 2026.224 Sean

Hop back in. We're having a blast. We come back in, drink more tequila, throw more firewood in the fireplace. Then the next thing you know, there's smoke pouring into the house.

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2026.684 - 2026.744 Dax Shepard

Oh.

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2027.044 - 2029.765 Sean

We don't know what is going on, but there's about 12 people

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2030.425 - 2056.709 Sean

drunk guys i mean really a mess obliterated drinking this much tequila and beer have no clue what is happening so anyway we end up trying to get people out of the house and of course you know i'm bulletproof at 22 years old so i pull the attic open figure that's got to be where the fire is okay so i peek up in there and then the whole roof just starts to go emblazoned

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2057.071 - 2057.612 Monica Padman

Oh, God.

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2057.672 - 2079.395 Sean

Oh, okay. So we get everybody out of the house. You know, other than the house burning, everything seems to be okay. But it doesn't stop there. My friend, Billy, whose house it is. Now, back then, he had a Nissan Pathfinder. So Billy said to me, please move my Nissan Pathfinder. So sure, I go out there, put the key in the lock, and it snaps off.

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2080.472 - 2089.515 Sean

So not only did his house burn down, but the pathfinder melted along with the house. Oh, my God.

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2090.136 - 2093.697 Monica Padman

Wait, what happened? Did the fire, it was just from the fireplace?

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2093.817 - 2098.599 Dax Shepard

I think they put too much wood. You tell me, do we know post-mortem what happened?

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2098.879 - 2111.458 Sean

Well, yeah, we put too much wood in, but he barely ever used his fireplace and there were cracks in the flue up top. So the sparks were going up. And going out through the... Oh. Attic. Yeah.

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2111.858 - 2113.259 Monica Padman

Holy shit.

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2113.519 - 2141.991 Sean

All the fire trucks show up. Everybody's outside. I see the fire chief's Suburban, and I just crawled into the back seat and took a nap. Oh, went straight to sleep. I am done. Wow. Wow. So the last thing I remembered... was the fire chief waking me up saying, hey, you can go back in the house. All that was left was the two brick walls on the side. Oh, jeez. Oh, fuck. It burnt all the way down.

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2142.011 - 2158.815 Sean

All the way down. Oh. He did rebuild. Every year after that, he had the burn the mother to the ground party. Oh. Oh my God, this guy, is he alive still? No, you know what? Sadly, he passed away from alcoholism addiction. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Years ago. Yeah.

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2159.175 - 2161.356 Dax Shepard

And what's your journey? What happened with your drinking?

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2161.636 - 2166.897 Sean

I'm very moderate. You know, I like a beer now and then, a glass of wine now and then, but that's it.

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2167.117 - 2171.098 Dax Shepard

I can really relate to the scene you were at. I was at a lot of those scenes.

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2171.438 - 2181.217 Sean

Oh God, yeah. It was just incredible. When I saw that you guys wanted stories about winter holidays... I figured. She can't even look.

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2182.038 - 2184.259 Monica Padman

I mean, the whole house burning down.

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2184.279 - 2184.92 Dax Shepard

And the car.

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2184.96 - 2186.1 Monica Padman

And the car melting.

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2186.12 - 2189.643 Dax Shepard

That was a hot car in the day, the Pathfinder. Yeah. Everything burned.

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2189.763 - 2195.627 Monica Padman

I mean, it really speaks to addiction in some ways because that wasn't his bottom and he kept going.

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2195.707 - 2216.019 Sean

Yeah, you've lost all material items. You've literally lost everything. Yeah. It does suck, though. I have a son. He's an addict. He's in recovery over in Oceanside right now. He's doing great, though. He's doing the steps. I think he went through step eight, finished up this weekend. Oh, awesome. So very proud of him doing that. Yeah. Yeah. Good for him. Yeah.

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2216.199 - 2224.824 Sean

But I found out about you guys through Bridget and Crystal, two beautiful souls that are in my life. They say hello and they love you. Oh, wonderful.

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2224.884 - 2229.006 Dax Shepard

Hello, Bridget. Did you say Bridget and Crystal? No. Correct. Hello to them.

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2229.227 - 2231.787 Monica Padman

Yes. Big shout out. Thank you for sharing that.

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2231.847 - 2236.569 Dax Shepard

Yeah. What a great story. I'm really there. It sounds like a Michigan party or two I've been to.

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2236.769 - 2240.15 Sean

No doubt about it. I appreciate you guys. Happy holidays to you.

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2240.17 - 2240.81 Dax Shepard

Thanks so much.

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2240.93 - 2241.61 Sean

Happy holidays.

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2241.73 - 2246.703 Dax Shepard

All right. Take care, David. Bye. I love that the swimming under the frozen.

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2246.723 - 2248.443 Monica Padman

That was a red herring.

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2248.523 - 2255.785 Dax Shepard

It was a red herring. And for people who didn't see the photo he put up, there's just one little hole chopped by the ladder. So they're swimming under the ice.

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2255.985 - 2257.465 Monica Padman

100% someone was going to get stuck under there.

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2257.505 - 2259.406 Dax Shepard

We thought for sure this was a drowning story.

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2259.486 - 2260.086 Monica Padman

Yeah.

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2260.306 - 2262.706 Dax Shepard

Everyone, the tequila and the keg is here.

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2262.786 - 2264.967 Monica Padman

So they kept going back in there and doing it.

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2265.567 - 2268.788 Dax Shepard

More wood, more plunging, more, more, more, more.

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2270.148 - 2271.609 Monica Padman

Oh, wow. More, more, more.

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2271.849 - 2280.031 Guest

I found the artist of your Great Dane painting. Oh, you did? Is it famous? Christine Merrill. She's America's most extraordinary painter of dog portraits.

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2280.231 - 2280.671 Monica Padman

Oh, that's cool.

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2280.811 - 2282.612 Guest

I agree with that assessment.

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2282.752 - 2284.392 Monica Padman

It actually says her name on it.

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2284.693 - 2288.314 Guest

Oh, okay. I've never looked. She's from Baltimore.

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2288.414 - 2291.134 Monica Padman

And it also says the name of the painting, but my eyes are bad.

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2291.275 - 2292.455 Guest

Recumbent Great Dane.

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2293.135 - 2295.756 Monica Padman

How weird that he has the same one. How funny.

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2296.076 - 2297.276 Guest

Must be a popular print.

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2297.516 - 2298.296 Monica Padman

Yes, yeah.

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2298.436 - 2299.797 Dax Shepard

It's on art.com.

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2299.857 - 2303.598 Monica Padman

Art.com, yeah. The dolly, like the melting clocks, and we didn't know it.

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2303.638 - 2303.978 Dax Shepard

Yeah.

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2304.158 - 2306.758 Monica Padman

Anyway, well, happy holidays to all.

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2306.778 - 2311.999 Dax Shepard

Let there be a warning of the holidays that are upon us. Keep your eyes peeled for.

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2312.14 - 2314.76 Monica Padman

The whole thing was a cautionary tale.

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2314.8 - 2322.522 Dax Shepard

I guess with a prompt like crazy holiday stories, it's going to be. It does make me miss Grandma's on Fire, Nana's on Fire story. Remember that one?

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2322.982 - 2324.983 Monica Padman

Oh, my God. Yeah, that was Thanksgiving.

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2325.163 - 2325.924 Dax Shepard

Is it Thanksgiving?

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2325.944 - 2327.124 Monica Padman

Uh-huh. That was funny.

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2327.344 - 2331.186 Dax Shepard

And Nana was fully ablaze. It wasn't Nana. It was like Mimi or something cute.

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2331.447 - 2334.848 Monica Padman

Mimi, I don't remember. We've had some great stories over the years.

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2334.888 - 2341.692 Dax Shepard

We have. These holidays, they keep producing terrible stories. All right. I love you. Happy holidays, everybody. Jingle, jingle.

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2343.933 - 2348.275 Guest

Do you want to sing a tune or something? We don't have a theme song. Oh. Okay, great.

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2349.056 - 2365.224 Guest

We don't have a theme song for this new show, so here I go, go, go. We're going to ask some random questions, and with the help of our cherries, we'll get some suggestions on the Flyer Rhyme issue.

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2370.95 - 2390.485 Dax Shepard

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