Monica Padman
Appearances
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Susan Morrison (on Lorne Michaels)
At 24, I lost my narrative, or rather it was stolen from me. And the Monica Lewinsky that my friends and family knew was usurped by false narratives, callous jokes, and politics. I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Susan Morrison (on Lorne Michaels)
So I think listeners can expect me to be chatting with folks, both recognizable and unrecognizable names, about the way that people have navigated roads to triumph. My hope is that people will finish an episode of Reclaiming and feel like they filled their tank up. They connected with the people that I'm talking to and leave with maybe some nuggets that help them feel a little more hopeful.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Susan Morrison (on Lorne Michaels)
Follow Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to Reclaiming early and ad-free right now by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple podcasts.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
He's a huge investor in massive companies.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
We were just talking about that with Little Women.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
Yeah. And at the end, they're showing the making of that book and how insane the process was to make a book.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
I was like, oh, wow, we think there's wealth disparity now. But back then, to read a book, you had to be so rich. You could get your hands on that one copy that took that long to make. Everything's a little bit more democratized with these advancements in technology. It's in hindsight that you look back and you're like, oh, oh, that was good. But throughout, it's tough.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
That's good. It is good, yeah. It's discerning.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
It makes the human on the other end, like if you're interacting with the AI, you feel dumb yelling at it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
So in so many ways, you just are like, whatever.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
I think if we yell at humans, it does something to us.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
The first thing you're taught in kindergarten, don't get in a car with a stranger.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
What would we do? We'd just sit there.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
It could probably predict our entire conversation.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
I was just in the house and our friend Anna, she had borrowed a sweater for me. It's blue and it's from Quince. It's gorgeous and it fits so well. And when she was wearing it, I was like, I want it back.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
Thank you. I'm in stripes today.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
It's pretty. It's effective. It's effective. Efficient.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
I think so much of the fear with AI, but I think every single one of these revolutions is ego. Because we have a friend who uses it all the time for work. And she'll just be like, here's some points, put it in a feasible email that I can send out. And when she was saying that, I was like, that's cheating. I devise an email.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
It's like, that's cheating. I do that because I have the skill to do that. I want to protect the rare skill.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
Yeah, because I have it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
But of course, when it's the music thing I don't have, I'm like, yes, I want that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
It's just ego, ultimately.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
I know it's transitioning into, okay, well that is gone.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
Yeah, I'm going for that look.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
What does that mean? I mean, I know what it means, but what does it mean in this context?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
I mean, did he get disbarred for that?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
Oh, my God. Happy anniversary.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
Any leader that we're fearing is taking away technology. That's the way to get people really under your spell.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
Well, just because mistakes are such a huge part of learning and growing as people. So if there's something that's popping up that's basically stopping you from making any mistakes in front of your children, there's something to be said about seeing a parent make a mistake, repair, learn from that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
Then I might cause fights so that it can repair.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
Just do you think everyone's self-aware enough? People who do like constructive conflict, a lot of them don't know that. They would say, I don't like conflict, but then they do. I think you just have to be very self-aware of what you really want, the way you really want to live your life and the way you really want to be.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
Something you got praised for.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
Yeah, I guess that's true. It's so dependent on the actual thing. I guess most people would say everyone should be able to spell somewhat. But I guess if you're a spelling bee champion, you'd be pissed about spell check.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
Yeah. Well, that's the thing. Even with spellcheck, it's not that now we can all go win the spelling bee. It's still a very specific group of people who can do that. And same with the essays. It's like now everyone can turn in an essay, but it doesn't mean everyone can write the best book.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
But I still do want teleporting.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
Can't we have AI work on this where we don't have to die and get home?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
People said that about AI.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
Yes, we had them during our COVID era.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
Man, the facial recognition make it so easy to get through the airport. I love it. Yes, exactly. It's so fast.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
Yeah, you have to do it when you land. It's called planning.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
Well, think about email. Just that one advent has made work 24 hours, essentially.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
Wasn't it so cozy? Everything is so soft and so comfortable and so cute. You know I have a bunch of their products I've acquired over the years, and I love them all, all for different occasions. I have that gray dress that I really love that I can dress up or down.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
Yes, I have the jammies. I have the bras. The bras are really something special because it's really hard to find a good, comfortable bra that's also chic. And they have a really good one, the fits everybody t-shirt bra. It really does fit everybody. I have gifted this.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
When you talk about safety, that's safety in your pocket.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
I got so excited when your name came up. I was like, oh, I didn't know that you were deeply involved.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
That's not why you started this.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
Yeah, it's a bunch of paper.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
Wait, do we want to get out your phone?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
Definitely. I mean, I feel bad saying this, but that time feels lost. Like it almost feels like those episodes don't count.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
So if she was on my phone, do you think she'd recommend different episodes?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
Like she knows you and Bill is a great recommendation.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
Does Google own any of that or no?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
Well, I did think for a minute that I was getting a UTI, but I'm not. Okay.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
It's my mom's fault because she— She gave you dirty underwear?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
Does my laundry. No, she takes cranberry pills. She's been taking them for a long, long, long time. And she like swears by the cranberry pills. And so I started taking them for a while. And then I stopped. And so when I was home for Christmas, she was taking hers. And she said, are you still taking your cranberry pills? And I said, no, I'm not taking them anymore. And she's like, why?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
I don't fuck with those anymore. Yeah. She's like, why? You should take them. Yeah. Whatever. And I was like, I'm not taking them. And then on New Year's Day, I called and we were talking about our resolutions. And she said, what are your resolutions? Cranberry pills? And I was so annoyed. I was like, no, I'm not doing it. Like three or four days later, I was like, I think I'm getting the C.I.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
I had to go pick up some good old cranberry pills.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
I just told her, I'm back taking the cranberry pills. I didn't tell her that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
So you thought something bad was happening?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
But did it make you feel better that he was in the hot tub and laughing? Well...
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
And Ruthie was there, too.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
It was perfect timing. She planned. She knew she was going to tell you, which I thought was a good plan, that there wasn't going to be a real jump out moment. Also, Rob and I did great acting because during that interview, we all knew.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
Mainly that. In person, you can read intention. This happens a lot when we're texting. I'm like, we got to just get on the phone because I think we are not on the same page.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
No, I was just like, oh, this is going to be a funny moment.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
But then I also was like, if he is then mad that this is happening or anxious, we had an interview scheduled the day of your party, which was yesterday.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
And it was scheduled for 2 o'clock. The party started at 5 o'clock.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
And I was like, oh, no. OK, I think we should probably move up the recording. When is she going to tell him? Because he needs to have enough time to do his research. He's going to be mad if he doesn't have enough time to do his research. And if he already doesn't want the party.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
He's going to be even more mad about it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
But you were very happy.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
I do worry about that with fires, about using the fire extinguisher, because it's not something you can practice.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
Yeah, I know. I have one by my bed, and I look at it a lot, and I think, I don't really know how.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
There's a video of Taylor Swift trying to use one in her kitchen. And she's also like, what the fuck?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
She did end up doing a good job, as she always does.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
She's like, this whole area is about to- Yes.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
You finally got Los Feliz.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
Yeah, but you can drown in them. I should say.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
But also, you know, that horrible story. And I don't know all the details, so I don't. And it's very sad. But Mitch McConnell's sister-in-law.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
Yes. And a Tesla and like couldn't get out and died. Oh. And I think it might have to do with that Tesla. It probably shuts down in water.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
Well, apparently people like came and tried and they were there and they couldn't.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
Yeah, I probably talked about it before.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
Yeah, now I have window smashers. Oh, nice. Aaron, I have an update for you. Oh, please. I think one of the last times you were here, we were talking about my running experience.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
Yes, and I want you to know, since then, a sign has been put on the yard, not by me, that says no, it says no dogs allowed slash no trespassing. I forget exactly what it says.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
It says something explicit, like no more of this. Really? So it was solved for me.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
Okay, so what's the update on that?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
Maybe it can be a joint, Aaron's hair, because then we can really get some movement on it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
Okay, so you think it's coarser.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
Okay, well, you don't have to have cashmere. We can do mohair for you.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
Well, she can't touch the cashmere then.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
Can you just keep, like, grow it out just so we can see how long it gets?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
Well, 50, you know. Not Aaron.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
It was a yacht rock theme.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
Adam Perry Lang made barbecue.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
They were so good. And the cornbread was so good.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
At a roller skating rink.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
It was really sweet of him to do that. He's a very nice man.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
I've also enlisted him to teach Kristen how to make crepes for Christmas one year, her birthday, I forget. And like got her all the machinery and stuff. And now she knows how to make crepes.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
A gatekeeper came through here, but not always.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
I thought I had to. craving for crepes like three days ago and it was 9 p.m so i didn't think it was possible for me to get it but i wanted it so bad and then the next day i told her i was craving them she said i'll make them for you and then guess what the word was on wordle today crepes plural or singular singular isn't that weird that's suspicious
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
Captain's outfit. It was white.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
What's that other one where they're all shipwrecked?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
This is like Mandela effect. We all just think we know these captains have pipes, but none of them do.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
I have. But then it was your birthday. And so I thought, I got to do it for your birthday.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
I did it. You did quite a bit of skating. I did like 12 laps or something.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
I had multiple sessions. Even after eating, I put them back on.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
I did where I learned to ride my bike.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
Yeah, I got a little nervous not having been on them for a couple years. And I was first to arrive at the party. And so I just went out on my own and did a little practice. Yeah. Found my sea legs. I'm not good on them. And I don't, Ryan tried to help me. He was like, you know, go more side to side. I go more front to back, I guess.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
It's sort of my proprietary move. So I'm just not very good at it, but it's fine. It's hard for me to not be good at it. But yes, you kill it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
Oh, is that what you were trying to do?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
No, I knew you were doing something with joy, but I didn't know that was happening.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
But then you will fall. So you're choosing.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
Well, once you're feeling it, like everyone's going to try. And that's what I don't do. I just do half because I don't want to fall. And I don't fall. So that's great. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
Everyone also, you see it and then you just like, you kind of look away. Let people recover on their own.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
Did you try it? Yeah, I did. I hadn't had it before. I loved it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
Yeah, I loved it. That's not your thing?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
Did you have the moment where you were like, oh, all these people I've collected.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
I mean, when you were blowing out your candle, I looked around and I was like, oh, this is so lovely.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
So it was a really good group. I felt lucky that I was I had been collected. Oh, over the 50 years. I was happy to be there.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
I had so many. I had one I can't repeat.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
I can't because it's not about him. Okay.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
Jesus. He never fails. I think I know every, I think there's not one thing you can say that will get me. And man, man does he. I got to talk to Joy. I ate with her and that was so nice. I hadn't talked to her in a long time.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
Really fun to talk to Nate and talk to see Nate in such a long time.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
It's kind of your birthday, too. You get to take. You guys get to share birthdays.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
I know. So we just got to have them all.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
Would you have been upset if it was a real surprise? I guess there's no way to know.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
Oh, like the spa? No. Because there's no chatting. Yeah. The mall, I guess.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
I'd go shopping with her.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
My pants just fell off. Exploded. My underwear fell off. I don't know if I can go shopping with them. That's confusing.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
I guess we would go to their store. Okay. And I'm thinking, what do you guys think I should get? I'll pay. And they'll be like, I know you'll pay. We don't give discounts.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
I'll roller skate for you, but I won't smoke a cigarette for you. So we go to bed early.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
Okay, should we do a little just quick facts?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
Yeah, this is for Reid Hoffman.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
You said that Martin Luther raised literacy rates from 3% to 95%.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
According to AI, while there isn't a precise percentage readily available to quantify how much Martin Luther raised literacy rates, historical research indicates that the Protestant Reformation, largely driven by Luther's teaching, significantly increased literacy levels across Europe, with some studies showing a difference of nearly 20 percentage points between predominantly Protestant and Catholic regions.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
Essentially, areas with the larger progeny population had substantially higher literacy rates. But there's no percentage.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
But you got it from weirdest people on Earth. Joseph Hendrick. Joey Hendrick. Go back and listen to that one. Is our unemployment rate as low as it's ever been? The unemployment rate was 3.4% in January and April 2023, the lowest in 55 years.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
The last time the unemployment rate in the U.S. was this low was in the first five months of 1969. The average unemployment rate during the Biden administration was 4.1%. Really low.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
Yeah. 1984 did come out in 1949. But we think he wrote it in 1948.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
And we still think that's true. Yeah. But it did not come out until 49. The price of Bitcoin today is $104,627.70.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
Their names are Ilya Dutch Lichtenstein and Heather Razzlecon Morgan.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
Yeah. I don't know if that was even COVID. He just didn't want to come.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
This, yeah, this makes me feel sad, actually.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
Now worth $10.8 billion.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
It was stolen from Bitfinex or Bitfinex. I don't know. And it's a Hong Kong based virtual cryptocurrency exchange. So that's yikes.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
Yes, we did. Well, that was of.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
Oh, I have a thing marked here. So you made a car. You designed a car using AI. Yes. And you decided you wanted to show it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
I played around with some merch stuff on AI. That was fun. Ooh, okay.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
And like underneath it just squiggles kind of like.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
Yeah, but what's on the side?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
It's a beer hops. Yeah. Probably.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
Get the hell out of here. Would you say a crow with a cherry?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
I didn't realize she used AI for it. She must have. Well, that's that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
Go to YouTube and watch it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Reid Hoffman Returns (on an optimistic AI)
Yeah, that's how I feel about taxes. I'm happy to give a lot of money away. I should probably want to keep it, hoard it. But I do think it's telling that this is actually against my own benefit, but I believe it as a value that it's important for society.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Scott Payne (retired undercover FBI Agent)
You're not going to take the copy of it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Scott Payne (retired undercover FBI Agent)
At 24, I lost my narrative, or rather it was stolen from me. And the Monica Lewinsky that my friends and family knew was usurped by false narratives, callous jokes, and politics. I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Scott Payne (retired undercover FBI Agent)
So I think listeners can expect me to be chatting with folks, both recognizable and unrecognizable names about the way that people have navigated roads to triumph. My hope is that people will finish an episode of Reclaiming and feel like they filled their tank up. They connected with the people that I'm talking to and leave with maybe some nuggets that help them feel a little more hopeful.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Scott Payne (retired undercover FBI Agent)
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Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Scott Payne (retired undercover FBI Agent)
I sure hope there weren't any mistakes in that episode, but we'll find out when my mom, Mrs. Monica, comes in and tells us what was wrong.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Seth Rogen Returns Again
In any moment ever. Because you're in your head, you want it to look a certain way. You have to be aware.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Seth Rogen Returns Again
Staircase is something else. You talked about staircase.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Seth Rogen Returns Again
The fact check is just going to be a list of staircase fucking.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Seth Rogen Returns Again
I have never read a DocuSign in my life. But it is aspirational.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Seth Rogen Returns Again
You don't have children. I don't have children.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Seth Rogen Returns Again
I don't know. I still kind of think it's a good idea.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Seth Rogen Returns Again
What about when they're old? Give them some amount, but not too much. Spend it all. Spend it all.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Seth Rogen Returns Again
I'm struggling with this currently very much.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Seth Rogen Returns Again
feeling very free i really really like feeling very are you a married person i'm not married and i don't have children i literally have nothing except that house i'm building for me only that's great i mean it does feel great actually then i'm like oh am i gonna regret it later is it gonna feel empty later i mean there's just so much that i struggle with i like being able to go on vacation and
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Seth Rogen Returns Again
Do it up. Fly first class. Stay in the hotel.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Seth Rogen Returns Again
Exactly. I'm also very scared of that, too.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Seth Rogen Returns Again
Oh, what happened? I already informed him about the robbery. It's related. Okay.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Seth Rogen Returns Again
It's kind of cool you were a part of that. That's a cool deathbed. It is.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Seth Rogen Returns Again
And they know we're going to obviously replace the cameras. We have to.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Seth Rogen Returns Again
Like Diddy. I mean, it's not going to happen now that those jokes aren't going to pop up at the shows and stuff. You're just like waiting for it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Seth Rogen Returns Again
He didn't even earn this. He didn't deserve it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Seth Rogen Returns Again
At 24, I lost my narrative, or rather it was stolen from me. And the Monica Lewinsky that my friends and family knew was usurped by false narratives, callous jokes, and politics. I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Seth Rogen Returns Again
So I think listeners can expect me to be chatting with folks, both recognizable and unrecognizable names, about the way that people have navigated roads to triumph. My hope is that people will finish an episode of Reclaiming and feel like they filled their tank up. They connected with the people that I'm talking to and leave with maybe some nuggets that help them feel a little more hopeful.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Seth Rogen Returns Again
Follow Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to Reclaiming early and ad-free right now by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Seth Rogen Returns Again
You need a rule. Maybe no cutting before an interview.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Seth Rogen Returns Again
peek behind the curtain, he was going to be a Monday.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Seth Rogen Returns Again
Because obviously he would be a Monday. But then it got really interesting. We got into a lot of filmmaking stuff and it was so cool that it was like, no, you know what?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Seth Rogen Returns Again
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Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Seth Rogen Returns Again
Yeah. It's kind of impressive because he was fine.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Seth Rogen Returns Again
Because it's a team sport. Everyone has to hit everything perfectly.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Seth Rogen Returns Again
For 30 minutes. That is really impressive.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Seth Rogen Returns Again
That's why people like doing theater because it's everyone coming together.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Seth Rogen Returns Again
There's something so kids in a playground about it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Seth Rogen Returns Again
She's also an acting robot. She would have killed those waters.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Seth Rogen Returns Again
I have to tell Martin Scorsese what to do.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Seth Rogen Returns Again
I complimented Seth's outfit when he got here. It's very nice. Are those Bottega shoes?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Seth Rogen Returns Again
You can do that when you don't have kids. You can spend all your money on clothes.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Seth Rogen Returns Again
I always ask this when we have people on who are in a parade of partnerships where one person's more of the face. And same with Ike and Dave. Has there ever been tension there?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Seth Rogen Returns Again
Because sometimes that gets tricky. We had also Phineas with Billy, obviously. I was like, how are you guys doing it in a way that, but some people just don't care.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Seth Rogen Returns Again
Because it's not that easy for us. It's a little more complicated, I think.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Seth Rogen Returns Again
Things are getting real hairy for a second there.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Seth Rogen Returns Again
It's true. But when you're in it, you can feel like I'm not getting this recognition. I'm not getting this. I could see for Evan or Dave or for Phineas, like no one knows what I'm doing. Maybe they don't.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Seth Rogen Returns Again
Well, Phineas said something really interesting. He said, actually, I get attention, but it matters that Billy gives me the recognition. If she wasn't doing it, then yeah, I'd have a problem with it. If within the partnership, there wasn't that acknowledgement.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Seth Rogen Returns Again
Oh! Oh my gosh. You're excited because you're getting a boat today.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Seth Rogen Returns Again
It's Christmas for this little boy and he's so excited.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Seth Rogen Returns Again
Because by the time you got your boat, it's the best. It's much better. Don't look at me like that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Seth Rogen Returns Again
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Seth Rogen Returns Again
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Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Seth Rogen Returns Again
It's Diagon Alley. Diagon Alley. It is a pyramid shape.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Seth Rogen Returns Again
Listen, what if you had taken Saltpeter and she had taken Spanish Fly?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Seth Rogen Returns Again
That's so weird that then you loved that drug because you loved having sex.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Seth Rogen Returns Again
Speaking of ER. No, you did poop in the bed once.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Seth Rogen Returns Again
So that's my point. Anywho, I'm glad for you that you had sex in the stairwell.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Seth Rogen Returns Again
No, yeah. I just had like a very prudish judgment.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Seth Rogen Returns Again
No, it was just like, I don't think she's okay.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Seth Rogen Returns Again
I'm sorry you asked, and I wanted to be honest.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Seth Rogen Returns Again
No, that's not how it works. They're there knowing they're going to be charming and Ted Bundy.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Seth Rogen Returns Again
No, not Ted Bundy. Oh, yeah. Not Ted Bundy. He was hot and out and about.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Seth Rogen Returns Again
Whatever. He was still playing it. He was still luring.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Seth Rogen Returns Again
No, I'm saying, okay, I'm saying that just because you're having fun in a bar and you're fun doesn't mean you're safe.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Seth Rogen Returns Again
I know. I'm not talking about you anymore. Okay. I'm not talking about you. Okay.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Seth Rogen Returns Again
You're going to get in so much trouble for this.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Seth Rogen Returns Again
No. They act like they're going to hook up with someone and then they rape them or kill them. This is common.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Seth Rogen Returns Again
So my point is I just don't know if she's still with us.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Seth Rogen Returns Again
Okay. Oh my God. The next movie is Impulse. The Thomas Crown Affair.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Seth Rogen Returns Again
Yeah, me too. Okay. Okay. Existing record for a one-er. Several movies have been filmed to appear as if they are shot in one continuous uninterrupted take, including 1917, Birdman, Children of Men, Silent House. Okay. Now, hold on. I'm going to pull up another article here. Okay. Goodfellas.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Seth Rogen Returns Again
Yeah. Well, it was early. It was early days of winners. Creed, four minutes. Atonement, five and a half minutes. Children of Men, six minutes. 1917, eight minutes. Extraction, 12 minutes. Birdman, 15 minutes.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Seth Rogen Returns Again
We both have money. So you can't tell yourself, oh, it's because I need it. There has to be something else sort of happening. Someone's just telling you what to do. It's not like, oh, I have a skill.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Seth Rogen Returns Again
That is similar, actually. It's also shot so beautifully.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Seth Rogen Returns Again
I lump him in with Chelsea Handler. of people in this industry who are extremely generous. They say yes all the time if you ask a favor. I don't think people really know that about him, but he is.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Seth Rogen Returns Again
Can you remove yourself? Leighton and Adam are talking about this too. She's like, when I watch the show, I don't see him. I can't really do that. Every time I watch Kristen, I see her.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
Well, yeah, you're a human. I mean, even when you say the bullseye thing, in general, we have our best and worst selves with our most intimate people.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
Emotionally, or you know how some people are like, I'm an HSP and I can't wear these clothes.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
Hopefully will help a lot of people.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
Which we've had a Jenny Tates we had on was also a DBT specialist.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
For people who are around that type of behavior, who don't identify, is it okay to abandon them? I'm thinking of one very specific person in my life, and I did do that. I have a lot of guilt because I do know, oh God, this is like the worst thing to do. It confirmed it, but I can't.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
This gets tricky, though, because if you know someone well, I mean, let's depersonalize it. No, I'm going to personalize it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
The reason I can do this is because I don't think you have this, but I do think for both of us, we know each other's triggers. So I'm going to try not to throw a bunch of peanuts in your face because I know that causes pain or that is going to cause a huge reaction. So I am avoiding it, but out of care.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
At 24, I lost my narrative, or rather it was stolen from me. And the Monica Lewinsky that my friends and family knew was usurped by false narratives, callous jokes, and politics. I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
So I think listeners can expect me to be chatting with folks, both recognizable and unrecognizable names about the way that people have navigated roads to triumph. My hope is that people will finish an episode of Reclaiming and feel like they filled their tank up. They connected with the people that I'm talking to and leave with maybe some nuggets that help them feel a little more hopeful.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
Follow Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to Reclaiming early and ad free right now by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
Not very well, but... And it's painful to unearth all of this stuff. Exactly. So it's going to just exacerbate the situation.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
Have you been to San Sebastian?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
I mean, I guess if you had proof.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
You should get me in the room. I'm easily convinced.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
That is a weird self-fulfilling prophecy too, because of course you're not a burden, but people are worried about you when you're in that state.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
It's almost self-aggrandize. It's putting way too much.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
Well, that's the benefit of going to other cultures because... American pathology is different than other countries. It's not all the same thing. And so to know that we just defined it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
Well, what was happening with her that she did that?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
You don't really know me.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
You can, but I want to push back on that too because you hate advocates.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
They're often connected to a victim. There's a reason that people become advocates. Normally people don't just stand up and become an advocate for something for no reason.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
No, but if someone was talking about alcoholism and they were calling people a bunch of drunks and fuck ups, I'd be like, no, that's not correct. And I don't feel shame that you're an addict.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
I feel a responsibility as someone who knows more about it than the average person to say, actually, that's incorrect. Here's the reality.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
Was he the first Dax you ever met?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
We sometimes talk out of school on it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
Yeah, cookie boys do like to tinker.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
My internet was out at the beginning of the morning. Wow, unacceptable. I know. And I got a text from AT&T saying so, but I thought it was spam. Sure. Or a trick. I thought it was a trick and a way for them to take all my money. So I didn't click it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
You're never supposed to click on it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
No, you don't click on it ever.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
Yeah, well, I didn't click on it, and I was wrong. They were, that was real.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
Because my internet was out. But then it came back.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
Then it came back. But I do this, right? I like plan. I plan my morning or my getting ready to the minute, which is a problem.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
And I have a lot to fit in there. But then the makeup, okay, that's going to take seven minutes. And then it takes seven and a half. And then you add a half minute to each of these line items and you're late.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
Yeah, we try to fix those things by having someone who really knows in the room.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
And the ROI is low. It's not good.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
You've become the person you've always hated.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
Oh my God, tell me because I'm into pranks now.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
Yes, your little baby friend.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
And she calls Kristen, your wife, Aunt Kristen.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
Oh, my God. I'm scared for her to give me a name.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
What if she started calling me... Dex, what about your Indian friend?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
I know. I think I may have made a mistake on this front.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
No, I told Delta the other day I did a pop out. I pop out here. I walked by and I decided to go pop into my house. And as I was walking by your fence, I heard you grunt.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
I said, hi. And you kind of like jerked around. This is why I'm into pranks now, actually. Because it was actually very funny because you got really spooked.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
Yeah, it was really funny. Come on, God damn it. You said, who's saying hi?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
You got into that mode where you were scared.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
It's Monica. I'm here. I'm over here by the fence. I'm Monica, your Indian friend. I'm over here by the fence.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
So then, yeah, you came over and then Delta came over. And so we were chit-chatting a lot. And yeah, she mentioned that there was going to be a young girl.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
was anticipating being, you know, a little overwhelmed. But really her ire was towards Lincoln.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
She was like, Lincoln shuts the door and then I have to just play by myself with her. And also she looks at me and she says, please take care of it. And then I do. And I just, I don't want to do that this time. And I said, well, that's good. That's boundaries. You can. So I taught her a
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
Ooh, I just got mirror neurons, though. Like, I'm back to not liking pranks anymore.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
I would have cried. And then I would have felt bad that I was crying because I would know everyone else felt bad.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
But I wouldn't be able to help myself.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
No, you made her turn on her grandpa.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
But the reason the grandpa said it is because she's a little liar and she's running around telling lies. And the grandpa's basically saying, don't you do that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
You don't need to make up a whole thing with her eyes.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
You do, but not everyone does that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
Although, don't they say that about hazel? It's like sometimes you're green, sometimes you're blue.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
It's very ephemeral. It changes. It moves. It's amorphous.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
Okay. This is back to me really wishing I had green eyes since I learned they're the rarest.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
We already talked about this. We already did this. I guess I kind of knew in my heart of hearts.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
Well, brown, yeah. Brown's a dime a dozen.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
I know, but like, it's just you always want, the grass is always greener when your eyes are green.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
Yeah, no, I, Rob, what color are your eyes? Brown? Blue.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
Yeah. That's a hard one.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
Because I know that because we're talking about it. I think I sort of thought blue eyes were the rarest.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
I like blue eyes the most.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
Okay, Callie. She has green eyes.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
Let me text her. Well, what's solid green? Is there such a thing? Callie might be mad because now we're back to the thing.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
She doesn't. Okay. She either has green or hazel.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
My friend Gina, green or hazel.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
Okay, so evens, even Stevens.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
What does Kristen have? Blue. Blue. And the kids have blue? Yeah. See, I'm not paying much attention.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
I know, but- They're generically blonde. I think I don't, you know, people think eyes are like the window to the soul. Yeah. And I guess I get, like, when I look, like, in your eyes, I get it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
But I guess I'm never looking. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
Your eyes are like... Shit blue? Don't say that when you know I have brown eyes. That's so insensitive. Yours are like grayish blue.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
What are his eyes? His eyes are probably green.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
Color your eyes, question mark.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
Who else should I insult?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
Actually, when I'm like all my, all the girls in the pod, I'm really trying to think.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
I don't know. Yeah. And the boys, I guess I hate eyes.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
Okay. We have a really important thing to do today.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
foot book the quasi oh no but we should okay do it next week tune in next week for us saying we'll do it the following week for the green so what quiz is this okay this is highly sensitive person quiz oh wonderful because this is for blaze stay tuned for more armchair expert if you dare Now.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
Okay, now discover your personality. Choose your gender to start.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
Okay. You find it easy to make new friends. Strongly agree, agree, neutral, disagree, strongly disagree.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
You could spend days learning about random things that interest you.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
When others are upset, you feel upset too.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
Which one? Agree or strongly agree?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
You aren't one for backup plans.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
Okay. You stay cool, calm, and collected even when under lots of stress.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
Yes. Oh, wow. Okay. When...
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
Right. When your car's on fire, yeah. Okay, when out and about, you don't really introduce yourself to new people. You prefer to chat with people you already know.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
Okay. Yeah, because part of your thing is that you like talking to strangers.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
Callie's friend is so cool.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
I know. It feels like. You have to be on in a little bit of a different way.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
I'm like a no across the board. I don't want to talk to strangers. And I don't want to talk to periphery friends either.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
Okay. You don't like to start a new project until the first one's finished.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
Okay. You're a sentimental type of person.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
You enjoy using lists or schedules.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
Okay. Making a small mistake can make you question your knowledge on a subject.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. You easily spark up a conversation with a stranger.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
You love talking about and analyzing creative works.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
You follow your heart more than your head.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
I'm open to your... You follow your heart more than your head.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
You tend to prefer following a daily routine as opposed to just doing whatever you want.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
When you meet new people, you worry about whether you made a great first impression. Five, yeah. You prefer solo activities over group activities.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
You love watching movies that let you interrupt. Oh.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
I wrote. What if I. Yeah. I started changing the quiz.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
You love to interrupt. What do you think?
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
You love watching movies that let you interpret the ending yourself. That's a good question.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
You get more happiness from achieving things yourself than you do from helping others.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
You aren't interested in very many things.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
You often worry about the worst possible scenario in any given situation. You love taking up leadership roles.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
You are an artistic type of person.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
The world would be better off if people made more decisions with their feelings.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
Well, you work with your heart.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
Okay. You prefer to relax before getting into chores.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
You don't mind when other people are having a heated argument in front of you. Oh, this is interesting.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
So you- Is horny an option?
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
You like being the center of attention.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
Your mood is generally pretty stable.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
You have plenty of patience for people that aren't as efficient as you.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
You have always been fascinated by the question of what, if anything, happens after death.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
You prefer to be on your own rather than with others.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
You have a hard time empathizing with people who come from a very different lifestyle to your own. Hmm? Interesting.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
You have a hard time empathizing with people who come from a very different.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
I'm going to say something ballsy right now.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
I think that has more to do with your contrarianism than it does with your empathy.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
And I mean that positively. I think you always want to look at the other side and you don't like a status quo.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
And in Michigan, there was a status quo about people and I think it was not empathy that drove you.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
I actually mean more like I think currently you can't empathize with like a very hyper liberal person. And that is from where they come from, too.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
When there's a decision to be made, you want to make it right away.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
You tend to second guess the decisions you make.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
Socializing quickly exhausts you.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
If you start socializing, are you quickly exhausted?
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
You enjoy going to art museums.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
I went to one recently and it was lovely. I went by myself.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
This one in Echo Park. Oh. And I went to see this awesome artist. Her name is Sophie. I'm already a fan of hers and she had an exhibit there. So I went and I got a coffee and I went by myself and I felt so cultured.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
But there was only like, I was in and out pretty quick. Yeah.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
I see. Yeah. This is a ding, ding, ding for my other fact, which isn't a fact, but is flower poopy. The flower puppy. Um, outside the Guggenheim in Bilbao.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
Frank Gehry designed building. I went there.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
Yeah. That came up in this episode.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
And I just, I went there with Callie and, um, it was great.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
And I'd like to go back.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
Okay. You struggle to understand what others are feeling.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
Disagree. Okay. You like to have a to-do list for each day.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
You often feel insecure.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
You prefer talking to people on the phone over texting or messaging them.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
When someone has a different perspective on a subject than you, you genuinely try to understand where they're coming from.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
I think so. You find that telling the cold, hard truth is more important than being tactful.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
You're happy to go with the flow when your plans are interrupted.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
Mistakes you made in the past often haunt your mind.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
You feel energized after spending time alone, engaging in solitary activities like reading or reflecting.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
Okay. You prefer to rely on your instincts rather than sticking strictly to a set plan or schedule.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
You often find yourself deeply contemplating the underlying meanings and implications of things rather than focusing solely on the surface details.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
No, I think you're... Strongly agree?
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
When making decisions, you prioritize logic and objective analysis over considering how it might impact others' feelings.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
You often find yourself worrying about potential future outcomes or what could go wrong in a given situation. You often find yourself drawn to new experiences and enjoy exploring unfamiliar places. Strongly agree. You tend to trust your gut feelings and intuition when faced with difficult decisions rather than relying solely on logical analysis.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
You feel a strong sense of empathy towards others and are often affected by their emotions, even if they don't directly involve you.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
I didn't say that. Okay. You prefer to have a well-structured plan in place Rather than leaving things up to chance or improvisation.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
When faced with a problem, you're more inclined to seek out practical solutions rather than dwelling on abstract theories or hypothetical scenarios. That's a hard one.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
Okay. You enjoy engaging in deep, meaningful conversations with others. Yes, I agree. You often find yourself reflecting on past experiences and considering how they've shaped your beliefs and values.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
You're inclined to take charge in group settings, assuming leadership roles and guiding others.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
Oh, my God. OK, you feel most comfortable when your environment is organized and structured and you may feel stressed or unsettled and chaotic or unpredictable situations.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
You know, like I am, yeah, I'm a little bit of a... You prefer spending time with a small group of close friends rather than attending large social gatherings.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
Four or five? When presented with multiple options, you tend to follow your heart and make decisions based on what feels right in the moment.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
That's how all these are.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
When presented with multiple options, you tend to follow your heart and make decisions based on what feels right in the moment.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
You find it easy to adapt to changes in plans or unexpected situations.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
Often seeing them as opportunities for growth and learning.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
When working on a project, do you value efficiency and strive to complete tasks quickly and effectively?
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
You often seek out opportunities to challenge yourself and push your limits, whether it's through physical activities or intellectual pursuits. Strongly agree. You prefer to focus on the present moment rather than dwelling on past regrets or worrying about future uncertainties.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
You enjoy engaging in lively debates and discussions, sharing your, yep.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
Okay. You have a strong desire for structure and order in your daily life, feeling most at ease when following a clear routine or schedule.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
You tend to be proactive in seeking out new experiences and opportunities. Embracing change is a natural part of life.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
Okay. You feel energized and excited. By social interactions. Often seeking out opportunities to meet new people.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
No, but it is different. Often seeking out opportunities to meet new people.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
Okay. When making decisions, you prioritize logical reasoning and objective analysis, considering the facts and evidence before reaching a conclusion.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
You tend to be highly self-critical and introspective, frequently reflecting on your actions and decisions and striving for self-improvement.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
You often find yourself empathizing with others' emotions, even if you haven't experienced the same situation yourself, and strive to offer support and understanding.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
You prefer to have a clear plan and direction in life, setting specific goals and working diligently to achieve them.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
um regs agree okay what is your current relationship status um married yeah but five what is it no now it's oh now we're okay married married how long is your current relationship six plus years how many relationships have you been in oh god there's zero one two three four four plus four plus four plus Oh, wow. This is personal.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
How satisfied are you with your current relationship? We have dissatisfied, somewhat satisfied, mostly satisfied, very satisfied.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
No, it's 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s. And above. 60 plus.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
But it's just weird to say 50s.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
What the fuck? I have to pay it.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
I mean, it is Blossom.co.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
But some of their questions were good and repetitive.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
Oh, you can take more quizzes.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
Oh, that's fun. Okay. Well, let's find it. Be my results. Show me. Oh, no.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
No, this just isn't about, this isn't.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
Oh, no. This wasn't even a highly sensitive person.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
It was like, you know, those it's called something and it's it's a personality type.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
It is, but it's like a really common one. You're an EN or an INFG.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
I think it's Myers-Briggs, maybe. Let's see. ENTJ personality.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
It's Myers-Briggs. That's like the original one. So that's cool. Now you know.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
You're an ENTJ. That's a confident leader.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
That tracks. 76% extroversion.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
Method of processing information, 81% intuition. ENTJs are intuitive thinkers fascinated by possibilities, patterns, and future outcomes. Interesting, okay. 55% thinking.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
Well, because it's either, so it's introversion versus extroversion. That's the I and the E. Intuition versus sensing.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
That's your method of processing information, your intuition. Decision-making functioning is thinking or feeling. You're thinking, but at 55%.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
And then management function is judging or perceiving, and you're 61% judging. Hmm. Wow. What a left turn. We still don't know if you're highly sensitive.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
Oh, what a mess of a fact check. All right.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
Yeah, you can't diagnose it really because who's coming in?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
It's the scariest one because they're in it in such a way that they don't want to feel better.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
I know I'm already scared. Every time we have someone on who's speaking about psychology, I think I have it.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
It's so interesting. We do love a deep dive into a personality disorder.
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Blaise Aguirre (on overcoming self-hatred)
I'm going to go and save my house. They're like living and survivors. In many cases, yeah.
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David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
The shock on the face is what they're after.
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David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
You had what the kids have in the elementary school.
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David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
Yeah, it's like waterboarding.
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David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
Did you fall asleep when you were buried alive?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
Oh no, don't get any ideas from this room.
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David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
Yeah. Do you feel relief when you're done with one of those or do you feel elation?
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David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
But I mean like the burial, things you've completed yourself, when you're done, when they let you out of the ice, well, I guess your brain is kind of fucked up. But is the feeling relief or is it, yes, I did it?
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David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
But then he's just getting cut and bleeding.
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David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
Right. It's very similar to an Olympic athlete, training your brain to just keep going and pushing.
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David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
No. I think you're working much harder than they are really.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
That's true. But that's a mindset that you know the end. You hope you know the end, but you might not because you don't know how your body is going to really react.
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David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
You anticipate the end, which I think athletes do that.
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David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
Yeah. People don't like being on the outside of something or feeling like I can't do that.
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David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
You'd think you'd have like all these holes in your face.
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David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
It's funny to me that you think what they're doing is wild. To me, it's the same. Eating glass and cracking a bottle. In fact, cracking a bottle over your head to me is like, it happens at a bar.
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David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
But eating glass is the same, just so you know, from an audience perspective. I mean, you saw it, so maybe to you, you could say it differently.
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David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
We should make a fine podcast.
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David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
So you're doing it and you're not bleeding when you eat glass. Wow.
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David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
Yeah, I've had two magician birthday parties as an adult.
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David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
I love it. I went to a really good magic show in New York. Now I don't remember his name.
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David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
No, it was at the Nomad Hotel.
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David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love Dan. Oh, my God. It was so good. I cried.
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David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
Okay, I have an update. Something wild happened yesterday.
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David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
Mm-hmm. I went somewhere. I won't say where.
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David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
I went somewhere and I basically witnessed... This person, I don't know. I thought he was just very, very, very drunk. Uh-huh. But then I was told that maybe he was on, like, a drug by someone who could tell.
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David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
And it was so scary. Oh. Like, he was, like, falling. This other girl was like, that was really scary. Seen this person there before. Uh-huh. And I do sometimes wonder, in general, like...
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David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
Yeah, is this person okay? But nothing has ever been this extreme, and it was really, really crazy.
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David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
I mean, they were on the phone and kind of just screaming on the phone, but just, like, stumbling around the whole place and falling down.
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David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
The day after we recorded. So like 3.30? On a Tuesday. Yeah.
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David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
It was really scary. Uh-huh. And then my friend went up and said to the manager, just, hey— You need to keep an eye on this person. Really doesn't seem okay.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
And the manager said, do you know who he is?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
Exactly. Yeah. And that, to me, is what I've just been sitting with. Like, so... And obviously, I can't give too many details, but this is a person that... they don't want to lose, I guess, as a client? Maybe?
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David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
Oh, no. I don't think it was that.
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David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
Right. Yeah. Let him do his thing. But that would be at, like, a certain type of bar or something. You could do that. But not here. Not a nice place. Yeah. Yeah. And it, like... It was scary to me. It was scary to another guest. Like, it was causing concern. And so this idea that, like, do you know who that is was very upsetting to me because I was like, So you're going to let him die? Right.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
Because you don't want to say anything? Yeah. It was really scary. And then my friend was like, I don't care who it is. I mean, he knew who it was, but he was like, I don't care who it is. People are scared. I also know who your friend is.
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David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
I know. I feel really freaked out by it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
Yeah. And I don't know if it's addict, but it's more like... This deeper, that person might die.
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David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
And I might see it or I might have like been not a part of it, but kind of a part of it.
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David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It reminds me of when I was in high school and I went to the mall with Callie and we saw this like weird thing happen where this person, woman was wheeling her husband in a wheelchair, but then like something was happening with the woman and the guy got out and the woman got in the wheelchair. And I was like, yeah, they had to switch.
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David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
I didn't know if she was having a heart attack. And of course, like, you know, the people were running out of the stores to like help. And I thought about, I still have that memory and I thought about it for weeks. Like I could not, it's almost OCD. Yeah.
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David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
I'll be there in a couple days.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
What if the money actually cured? You don't know.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
Yeah, you didn't think about that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
Exactly. Like, buddy, you're driving away.
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David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
What's the line that you draw at a bar or something? Because yeah, people are there a little fucked up. I mean, that's the point of the place, you know? So it's tricky.
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David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
It also just, it depends on the place itself. Also, what do you do? You tell them to leave and what if they drive home?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
That's my question. Like what do you do?
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David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
Oh, yeah. Anyway. As fast as you can.
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David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
Yeah, yeah, probably. I mean, my friend didn't feel the way I felt. he wasn't worried. Right. Like, he wasn't like, that person's gonna die like I was.
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David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
He was more like, this can't, this is an unacceptable thing to be happening at this establishment.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
I know. Yeah. I know, little mini adventures all the time.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
I know. I think a lot of people think we're together. In some ways we are, I guess.
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David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
Yeah. Well, I actually, I brought you up at, so we left to go to dinner. And it was really like I was, I was not. Frazzled. Yeah, I was frazzled. Exactly. Because of everything. And so I was feeling a little like I could tell that I was getting annoyed. But it was because of this other thing. I just like didn't feel good. Yeah. So I had to tell myself like don't take it out on Jess.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
Like don't take this feeling out on him right now. Yeah. He's like the easiest person for me to take it out on. So don't do that. Yeah. And I feel like I didn't. But then we got to the restaurant and the server was so nice, so awesome. And Jess was just being like his like gregarious. He was just being his gregarious self and being funny and making jokes. And I was like, why can't you just not?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
have to do that. Like, why can't you just say thanks instead of doing this whole show? And then, and I, and I like looked at him and I, and I said, it's so interesting that I am, obviously I am attracted, drawn to people who, Who can't stop themselves from putting on a show.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
Yes. There are so many times we're sitting in here and I'm like, why are you not stopping?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
And it's the same thing with him. And, and. It's clear that it's me that needs or likes it. Yeah. Even though on the surface, I don't.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
I just tap out like I like it for a second. But both of you sometimes just.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
I did think that was funny. I don't know what the line is.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
I know. I don't really know. Well, he does silly things like that that don't. It's when it involves other people.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
Well, oh, my God. This is back to yesterday's fact check or last week's fact check with the three of us where ultimately I think maybe I feel like, why do you get to do that?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
I had no option. There was no option for me to be like, my bag!
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
Being a weirdo is like the last thing I can think.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
No, I know. You're not hurting anyone.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
See, you say that's not hurting people, but I think it is.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
And you guys know I love magic. And we get to see some David Blaine magic in real life. He does magic for us.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
Because you were embarrassed?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
Oh. But not every time you go.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
Oh. So no one was in there? No one was in there.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
That's a lot. There probably was, there's probably just something you're a little, you're allergic to in that food.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
And left it all at the restaurant. Yeah, a public bathroom situation, I don't like it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
But that wasn't a public bathroom. That was a private bathroom.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
And actually, Aaron was here when David Blaine was here.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
Damn it, I wish I could have watched some of this.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
Watched all the magic. God, it was such a cool thing.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
Oh, yeah. He said don't watch India.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
I don't know why for some reason. I just have to watch it because the way both of you were talking about it is with such like... And for some reason, that doesn't sound that bad to me. Is it because I'm Indian?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
Man, I don't like glass, but it... It just cuts so weird.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
Instead of, like, he's Dumbledore, like, the happy one.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
David signed a card for me that's up there that's really exciting.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
Yeah, it's not. We might be getting video because when David's publicist was here and she took video, so hopefully we'll get it. But yeah, there was a trick that happened after the cameras were off.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
Oh, I think watch is craziest. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
He said, does this have anything to do with your thing?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
Because my thing was Gossip Girl.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
Oh, and there was one more piece. So it was Think Gossip Girl. Then give a clue. So, like, I had to say a clue to you. You were technically supposed to be guessing. And I had to—
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
give you a clue that wasn't a big giveaway and what was your and i said the met i think oh my god yeah so i would think art then i would think picasso yeah and then i don't remember then how we got into him writing the words but then yeah it was gossip yeah it wasn't i'm like how does he know she thought of gossip girl
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
And even TV out of the millions of categories.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
And, like, I had picked the card. It wasn't that, because everyone I tell this to, they're like, did he hug? It's like, no, no, no, no. This was way late into the game. You may be hugged when you walked in, maybe, but I picked the card during the And then it's unfolded up under his watch.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
He got so scared. It was great.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
It was definitely a, like, that's a once-in-a-lifetime moment to get magic from David Blaine. Wow. One-on-one. Very, very cool. Okay, a couple facts. Bobby Sands, he died in 66 Days Hunger Strike. He was a member of the Provisional Irish Republican Army, the IRA. Okay. And he helped plan a bombing.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
Okay. After 28 days of fasting, he said you get a pear taste in your mouth. Which we are kind of jealous of.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
Yeah, he almost died because then he went to the hospital after and all his phosphate levels were like completely dropped.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
That's why it's so funny, because when he's talking about the Indian— guys who do the bottle over the head, he's like, he's shocked. And I'm like staring at him like, are you kidding me? You buried yourself alive. That's way crazier. Okay. So when Foss... What is this alarm telling me to do?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
That's a ding, ding, ding from last week. Both of you just letting your alarms... Run rampant.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
Oh, both were nap related. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
I know. His legs are splayed.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
I'm shocked that you could sleep like that. That's very flexible, actually.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
Yeah, and you're on your back.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
You didn't have to put washcloths over his face?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
Okay, Buster Keaton. So he said that— That Houdini—that there's a rumor that Houdini named him Buster, but that that's been debunked. But it says that on PBS.org.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
He's a monster. Joseph Francis Keaton got his name when at six months he fell down a flight of stairs, reaching the bottom unhurt and relatively undisturbed. He was picked up by Harry Houdini, who said the kid could really take a buster or fall. From then on, his parents in the world knew him as Buster Keaton. By the age of three, Keaton joined the family's vaudeville act, which was
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
Oh, my God. Oh, man. Okay, how many times did David Blaine do Stern? Eight. He's done it eight times. Have you heard Blaine on Stern?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
Love you guys. Love you. Love you.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
It's counterproductive because you're panicking.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
So you're getting validation at an early age from that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
That's so young. That's not good.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
The testing process for these...
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
You're just laying there and like, I think I'm going to be this person now. So I'm going to swallow a fish tonight and see what happens. That is abnormal.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
Okay, so you also in your head, you just thought, I'm going to try this.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Blaine (magician and mentalist)
And I had a frog in your throat, literally.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
Well, especially if they're in charge of you, if they're your boss or they're above you.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
Can you say... I know what you're about to say.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
I was just in the house and our friend Anna, she had borrowed a sweater from me. It's blue and it's from Quince. It's gorgeous and it fits so well. And when she was wearing it, I was like, I want it back.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
It's pretty. It's effective. It's effective. Efficient.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
I think it also just depends on the situation because it depends on the punishment. On the consequences. The consequences. Exactly. Don't you think sometimes it isn't worth it?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
I think you should go J. Oh, really? Uh-huh.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
That's what I was going to say earlier when I said, oh, I think you should say it. That's what I thought you were going to say. Some people have a little bit of a leg up doing it with less consequences.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
Sometimes I just get so tired. Don't you just get exhausted of having to just constantly be that person?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
That doesn't feel too much like a values. Values driven.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
That makes a ton of sense. That to me is like, that's so value driven. Not as an actor, because that's an identity we place on ourselves. It's an occupation. It's an occupation. A value of I refuse to take someone down. That makes a ton of sense. And I think that is fully worth defying.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
I think it's really important to know how to stick up for yourself, when to stick up for yourself.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
Wasn't it so cozy? Everything is so soft and so comfortable and so cute. You know I have a bunch of their products I've acquired over the years, and I love them all, all for different occasions. I have that gray dress that I really love that I can dress up or down.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
Yes, I have the jammies. I have the bras. The bras are really something special because it's really hard to find a good, comfortable bra that's also chic. And they have a really good one, the fits everybody t-shirt bra. It really does fit everybody. I have gifted this.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
I also like the last question because it sort of depersonalizes it. If you're saying, what does a person like that do in this situation? It's not like, what am I going to do in this situation? It's what does someone that holds those values do? You can remove yourself. And I think that's really helpful.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
Gosh, I wonder if they repeated that experiment and before going in the shocks, they made them write down their values. I wonder if that would have impacted it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
And he won't go to the huge thing. And not be bothered by the Olympics. Of course he wants to be an engineer. Well, my dad always says this. Engineers are hyper focused on seeing problems. That's the whole point of the job because a building will collapse if they don't do that. So it is looking at the world with a critical lens, which I do think can come with some defiance.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
As opposed to just get with the program. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
You don't love things. I'm going to go ahead and say that. You love cars, but I would never classify you. And motorcycles.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
Motor stuff. But I don't think it would be fair for you to say you like things.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
Is it the flames one or is it a black one?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
You're like a bona fide biker now, bicyclist.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
I understand. This can be the chicken or the egg with items. This is a lot like fashion.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
Like you, sometimes you go on the RealReal, great website, not sponsored yet. Yet. And there's like a very fancy purse, let's say a purse. Yeah. That you know is outrageously expensive.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
Yes. Yeah. And then it's there for one grand.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
And you start doing this whole like, oh my God, obviously I have to get it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
And then you have the purse, and it's like, well, I have the purse, so I guess I got to get the scarf so that I'm this person. I'm this person now that carries this bag, so now the rest of me has to fit.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
Okay. And I'm ready. I like that. Okay. You're allowed.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
I know you're trying to find middle ground, but let's be – his – no. Bawa Taba was on TRL number one for so long, and I – I hated it so much.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
Yeah. He hated me then and he hates me now. But yeah. And that song was just so, it was so aggressive. Like it's exactly.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
Yeah. Is he ready? Is he pumping? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
Oh, this is miserable. Oh my God. I think I'd got pizza reward.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
I didn't. I couldn't tell because your hat.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
Oh. So then they had to go to the grocery store. I thought you meant a bomb.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
You're still getting that high, but it's healthy.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
Does your voice change when you talk to them?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
No, like more like you're trying to be scary.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
Wow, that looks so yummy. Oh my God, I'm starving.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
Is that their cheese? Is that just like a cheese one?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
The crust looks so good. It looks so crispy.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
It's probably because you had all the energy, all those carbs.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
I started it. It seems so good. I'm sure it's fantastic. I'm sure it's fantastic. What happened? You know, I sometimes don't like...
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
I know, but it's the same. It gives me the feeling.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
As far as the feeling I get, it's the same. Can you articulate the feeling? No, it's— The feeling. Yeah. I've talked about it a lot on here. The only person who really gets it gets it is Anthony. He can always tell me. He's like, that's going to give you the feeling. Don't watch it. And then I watch it, and it's exactly right. He, like, knows.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
And it's just really hard to explain. There are a few things that I know that trigger it. Suicide stuff often triggers it. Okay.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
Okay, but British and I guess now Irish stuff often does, which is weird because I love London so much. I love it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
I don't get the feeling when I'm there. It's all like media. It's movies and TV and stuff. And then the first time I identified this feeling was... was Wonder Years when I was young.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
I don't know. I just feel, it just makes me feel really, like, really uncomfortable. And Anthony says things that are overly earnest.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
I did. I loved it. So some things make their way through. I don't know. It's hard. It's hard. But I started Bad Sisters and it gave me the feeling. So I had to stop.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
I'm making a new mocktail that my friend Maddie taught me about. It's called, it doesn't have a name, but it is seltzer water. I've been using Perrier and a little bit of 100% tangerine juice.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
The brand is Natalie's Shout Out. Oh, shout out, Rob. And it isn't that hard to find. I found it at Lazy Acres.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
Yeah. It's not sweet at all. Oh, it's not? No. It's very citrusy.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
Nice. It's nice. Maddie invented it. I need to give her.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
No ice cubes. Okay. But I do freeze the glass.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
It's helping. Yeah. What's been interesting is, so I think we talked about it. I'm trying not to drink Monday through Thursday. Yeah. Then the world got really turned upside down. Uh-huh. Topsy-turvy. Yeah. And I said, fuck that. So I drank last week, I think Wednesday and Thursday. Yeah. And Saturday and Sunday. I think. I forget all the days, but I definitely didn't stick to my thing. Right.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
But what has been interesting, and you told me to do this in my journal. I've been journaling. Uh-huh. It's a good place to tally and mark.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
So I've been doing that, and it is in my head when I'm about to drink, like, well, tomorrow I'm going to have to put zero.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
Which is, it's like, back it, nothing, you know? Right. And I think about that. And even just the thinking about it for a second is nice. It makes me really make the decision. Like, do I really want it?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
And sometimes the answer is, yeah. You're right. I don't care if I have to put a zero. Who cares? I love writing zeros. I want it. Yeah. Zeros are fun. And other times I'm like, I don't really need it. I don't really want it. So overall, even though I've broken my goal, I am drinking much less.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
Yeah, I guess for me it's not, it's because I'm not trying to be sober. Right. I'm trying to get to day four, really.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
Yeah. It feels a little, I don't know why, it feels a little like intense to call it sobriety. Also because that's not really what I. I mean sober. I know.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
That's what it is. It's like, yeah, that I didn't drink. I did drink. So I'm at zero days as opposed to one day that I didn't successfully. Right. Anyway, what else? Anything else? Let's see. Are you reading any new books?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
Yeah, when I went to my acupuncturist, that's the first thing she asked.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
Yeah, you were- And I have an autoimmune disease and allergies.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
Not to get controversial, but I do, I feel like I'm pro-animal testing.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
Some people- Like how will we learn anything?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
I think we just lost a lot of listeners, but I think it's true. No, I don't think so.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
And I guess it's a scale of what you're testing. Like I know like the beauty products stuff, that's bad.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
Yeah. People have all kinds of points of view.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
I'm rewatching Sex and the City, and it's been a long time since I watched it. And it is funny. There are some things that are very ahead of its time, like some of the things they're talking about. Uh-huh. And I don't know. It's been really interesting to watch. But also, separately, they have two episodes where they're in L.A.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
And it is so funny because they're like pointing out the differences between L.A. and New York. And it's so cliche.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
Yeah, exactly. They're being so extreme. But then I had to recognize like they make a joke about this woman. guy, Miranda comes and visits his, her old friend who now lives in LA writes for a TV show and used to live in New York. And he's really positive. And she's like, what's, what happened to you? We used to hate on everybody.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
And he was like, yeah, I just, I'm so much, I am so much happier here. I know.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
What we like on this show is sort of looking at the opposite side of it. And we talk in the episode and she starts the book with George Floyd and the rookie cops that were there. Yeah, yeah. And we get into all that and it's really fascinating and thinking about if you really put yourself in that position, what would you do? Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
I mean, I say that about some sector of the South.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
I think that's what they mean. But anyway, it was just so funny because he he was like, I'm so much happier here. And then he ordered he took her to this like macro biotic sandwich shop, you know, someplace that I was like, oh, that does sound good. And then he was like, let's go on a hike. And that was like the the culmination of the joke.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
Like, let's go on a hike. And I was like, yeah, I'm here. I'm indoctrinated.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
I mean, I don't know why anyone would be mad about it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
I was thinking about when we did our first fact check of the year while you were gone. And we were doing it virtual. And I was saying that I was... This is the first time I was calling L.A. home and not Georgia home, even though we realized I was calling everything home.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
But in light of what's been happening the past couple weeks, I've been thinking about that. Right.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
I understand why, but I don't feel like that at all. I feel more— I feel like doubled down in that I love it here and I'm so happy to be here and grateful. And, um, it is funny. This is not to disparage any other place and how they handle situations, but in a lot of places when bad things happen, there's a lot of requests for prayers and, um,
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
Yes. And for, you know, meeting at the church and X, Y, and Z. And that's great. Like I have nothing against that. We didn't have that. I didn't see, I saw maybe like one person say it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
Yeah, exactly. And like some people I do know are religious and were, but overall, the city, no one was saying that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
No, and... But what is so heartening is like, I've never seen a city mobilize so fast. No one was asking for prayers. They were asking for meet here, give this, do this. It was instruction and it was specific. It was action. And I really, I was like, yeah, that's in alignment with me. So anyway, all right.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
Yeah, you did. And then we did. And we're trying.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
Me too. It's like a treat. It is a treat. Which is so nice to have a treat and... I have to resist eating too many nighttimes because they're so delicious. I know. Don't eat too many.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
Which I just thought was a great episode. I love her message.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
Yeah. It's really tricky. And especially in that situation with her. I don't know the details of how that works, but he's her superior, I would assume. Employer, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's so hard. It's so much easier said than done to stick up for yourself when your job is on the line or when your employer is—
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
Upset with you or, I mean, there's just things that you, that honestly put you into fight or flight.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
It's really hard. I too have been thinking a lot about what, what, what are my true beliefs and values? Kind of what she said. She's, you know, she said, think about your values. Then ask yourself, what would a person with these values do?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
Not what I do, but really, you know, force yourself to sort of be objective about who you want to be. Yeah. And what actions match that. And, um, And yeah, I think it's good to know the parts of yourself that you're unwilling to forego for peace, really. I mean, that's what it can come down to and that sucks. But at the end of the day, all you have is you and those beliefs and those values.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Sunita Sah (on defiance)
So you really just can't let people take them.
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Sunita Sah (on defiance)
Yeah. Also for people in charge. Yeah. to think about why, like why there's a pushiness or why you're forcing the nurse to get the thing. Like there can, I think that's also an element of control and maybe there's a lack, there's a feeling of lack of control. And so there's a grasping for it.
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Sunita Sah (on defiance)
Totally. So, yeah, I thought this was a great, great episode. Okay, she was talking about visas, the types of visas. I wanted to go through because— I was sort of dumb enough to think that you could just like ask to come here and it would take a while, but that like you could. Yeah, yeah. And you can't. You have to have a reason to come. You have the student visa, tourist visa, business visa.
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Sunita Sah (on defiance)
Yeah. Transit visa. So that's a temporary visa that allows travelers to pass through a country for a limited time. Okay. Work visa. Immigrant visa. A visa for people traveling to a country to live permanently. So I don't really know. Is that kind of like... That's kind of what I thought.
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Sunita Sah (on defiance)
Yeah, but I don't think we have that here in the United States.
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Sunita Sah (on defiance)
think so we have to because we have tons of legal um latino immigrants that didn't get here on a h1b or a student they probably got a work visa maybe not h1b but there's different kinds i think h1b is specific to tech maybe sure let me see actually because i know i'm curious Okay. Oh, God. So many news articles.
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Sunita Sah (on defiance)
Yeah, like the girl who was half Indian. Right, right, right. Yeah, we need more of that.
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Sunita Sah (on defiance)
Okay, H-1B status is available to a person who has been offered a temporary professional position by a U.S. employer. Bachelor's degree or higher in a related area is the minimum educational level. Okay, so it's not tech. It's just any with the degree. I guess that, duh, because my dad and my grandpa got H-1Bs.
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Sunita Sah (on defiance)
That would be tech, but my grandpa was a professor.
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Sunita Sah (on defiance)
Although he came on a student visa, I guess.
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Sunita Sah (on defiance)
Yeah. Swatty. Swatty. Swati is the nerdy term. It's the term for nerd in British. And it started as an army slang, meaning sweaty. I think it's a variation of sweaty, but slang referring to hard work.
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Sunita Sah (on defiance)
Stanford Prison Experiment. The guy's name is. Fuck, I wanted to. William Randolph Hearst. I wanted to see if I could remember it. Yeah. And I can't.
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Sunita Sah (on defiance)
It sounds like a football coach. It sounds exactly like Anthony's last name.
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Sunita Sah (on defiance)
Okay, so between the three of us, why don't we remember it?
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Sunita Sah (on defiance)
Wouldn't you be sad if everyone remembered armchair expert, but they didn't know it was you?
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Sunita Sah (on defiance)
Really? Yeah. I guess you're dead, so who cares? I'm dead. Rob, can you join me in a pursuit to remember his name?
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Sunita Sah (on defiance)
I feel bad for saying he's dead. I mean, he is, but just recently.
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Sunita Sah (on defiance)
I'm... I don't care. Charles Dunn. What's the guy's name who invented podcasts again?
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Sunita Sah (on defiance)
Okay, the Greek poet that said, under duress, we don't rise to the level of our expectations. We fall to the level of our training. That's attributed to Bruce Lee. But it was a Greek poet, Archilochus. I don't know if that's how you say it.
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Sunita Sah (on defiance)
Fine, I will. Archilochus. I'll remember everything. I mean, I like to remember everything I can.
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Sunita Sah (on defiance)
I think I'm— I think overall I'm pretty good at names.
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Sunita Sah (on defiance)
Yeah, he's great. I watch his videos. All right. Do engineers over-index on disagreeability? According to research and common perception, engineers are often considered to be the lower end of the agreeableness. Jeez.
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Sunita Sah (on defiance)
agreeableness spectrum on personality tests, meaning they may sometimes be perceived as disagreeable due to their strong focus on logic, data, and problem solving, which can sometimes lead to a more direct or critical approach when discussing ideas or solutions.
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Sunita Sah (on defiance)
It says, however, this is not always the case. An individual personality is very greatly within the engineering field. A, I had to say that.
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Sunita Sah (on defiance)
I do think, though, there is. My dad and I have talked about this because he.
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Sunita Sah (on defiance)
Yes. Or things will collapse and that will be on his shoulders. People will die. So he and I, we talked about this once. I was like, is it chicken or the egg? Were you drawn to the career because that's your personality or has that job made you like this? We don't really know.
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Sunita Sah (on defiance)
No, I know. Well, he is. I've been kind of like, what are you doing? Because The Sims has been... Rowdy.
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Sunita Sah (on defiance)
That's true. And then yesterday I was doing Connections.
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Sunita Sah (on defiance)
And one of the answers was Big, Mr. Big from Sex and the City as I was watching it.
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Sunita Sah (on defiance)
So he was trying to make up for it a little bit.
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Sunita Sah (on defiance)
Still here. Yeah. Anyway, yeah, he, if you talk to my uncles, they, my dad doesn't really let them talk too much about this, but they, like, have all these stories about my dad. Like, I think he was more like my brother.
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Sunita Sah (on defiance)
Well, they knew him when I didn't. Like, as a kid. Are they older? Yeah, they're older.
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Sunita Sah (on defiance)
Well, that's a little bit fair, but there's also personality traits that come with being the youngest.
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Sunita Sah (on defiance)
They have a version of his personality that I don't know, that I never saw. And I think that's interesting and sort of lends itself to maybe he did grow into a lot of these traits. Yeah. Or they just got sharpened probably. Yeah.
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Sunita Sah (on defiance)
Yeah, that's probably right. That's probably right.
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Sunita Sah (on defiance)
Yeah. And I guess you can tell down the line, right? Like I have a lot of those qualities that he has and I'm not an engineer. So I probably got it from him.
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Sunita Sah (on defiance)
Which means it's just genetics. And you're disagreeable.
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Sunita Sah (on defiance)
Yeah. I'm doing what Sunita tells me to do.
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Sunita Sah (on defiance)
Yes. Okay. Yes. I think I spent a lot of my life not going along with, I mean, going along with stuff.
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Sunita Sah (on defiance)
Exactly. That is true. But I was walking a line, right? Because I also, I wasn't going to add a dinner table with my whose parents had much different political views than me or even just things I thought were wrong.
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Sunita Sah (on defiance)
If I'm at a dinner with them, I'm not going to say, oh, actually, I disagree. Like, I'm going to agree. Right. So I can maintain that friendship. Kind of like you, who you, for different reasons, much different reasons, you feel like you are rewarded for speaking up for yourself.
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Sunita Sah (on defiance)
Yeah. And I think I have a lot of that too for these other reasons. Like I'm not going to.
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Sunita Sah (on defiance)
Maybe. Again, so hard to. It's hard to know. So hard to know.
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Sunita Sah (on defiance)
Hopefully she would have stood up for herself.
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Sunita Sah (on defiance)
Because I was also very good. Yeah, I was going to say.
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Sunita Sah (on defiance)
Is it a good thing, though? Right. And I think I've grown into I totally defy.
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Sunita Sah (on defiance)
Oh, yeah. Just trying to be good. Just trying to do everything I needed to do to not get removed.
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Sunita Sah (on defiance)
From society or singled out. I grew up in Georgia. And as you were saying, you were one of the only brown kids. Yeah, you just wanted to be. I did. Just want to be like everyone else. So, yes, when there's someone there, I actually commend you for being attracted to that at that time. Because if there's someone there who's being so themselves, that at that time would have terrified me.
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Sunita Sah (on defiance)
Yeah. Then it's like, then if I become friends with them, then everyone's going to be so aware of me. I didn't want anyone to be aware of me.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
At 24, I lost my narrative, or rather it was stolen from me. And the Monica Lewinsky that my friends and family knew was usurped by false narratives, callous jokes, and politics. I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
So I think listeners can expect me to be chatting with folks, both recognizable and unrecognizable names about the way that people have navigated roads to triumph. My hope is that people will finish an episode of Reclaiming and feel like they filled their tank up. They connected with the people that I'm talking to and leave with maybe some nuggets that help them feel a little more hopeful.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Follow Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to Reclaiming early and ad-free right now by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple podcasts.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
Well, it has a huge antioxidant effect.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
What's so cute is that you're proud of yourself and you're a little bit crying.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
No. There's no way they could in second grade.
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Eric Topol Returns (on longevity)
What was the number that she said endlessly? Do you remember she used to say a number over and over again?
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
But isn't this weird? It's like that thing where you're born with all your eggs, so really your grandma's eggs are your eggs.
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
No, I don't want, yeah, this one is not good to be validated.
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
I have. I've done two rounds, but it wasn't great. There's already been some telling. But it is still regular periods. But as you said, maybe that's the later end of it.
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
At 24, I lost my narrative, or rather it was stolen from me. And the Monica Lewinsky that my friends and family knew was usurped by false narratives, callous jokes, and politics. I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again.
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
So I think listeners can expect me to be chatting with folks, both recognizable and unrecognizable names about the way that people have navigated roads to triumph. My hope is that people will finish an episode of Reclaiming and feel like they filled their tank up. They connected with the people that I'm talking to and leave with maybe some nuggets that help them feel a little more hopeful.
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
Follow Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to Reclaiming early and ad free right now by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts.
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
Okay. So I like to hear that because my mom actually said the same thing. I don't think she did any hormone therapy, but I was like, when did you hit menopause? She said 50. And I was like, oh man, well, I'm nervous. I'm in perimenopause after I read this book. And she was like, well, I like it.
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
Even like the Diva Cup, it's not for me.
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
And none of this is a problem with getting pregnant.
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
But it's not like you have the hysterectomy and then... No, unless they remove the ovary, right?
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
I thought she was so great. This is so informative and helpful and needed. And I've brought this up, obviously, to a lot of my female friends.
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
It's I'm making choices for the first time that are for me that aren't just handed societally to you. But what's scary about that book is now is the time I get to make the choices and my body is disintegrating. That's the part that I think everyone was like, oh, my God, we have to wait till then. And it's coinciding with that. What do we do now?
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
Even the smart people who are educated. I do these girls' dinners, and we just had one recently, and we were talking about something random. We were like, why don't we know the answers to any of these questions that keep popping up about our own bodies? Yeah.
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
That's true. There's a million factors.
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
And we were like, who do you want to come on experts? And your name came up over and over and over and over again. It's a different audience. But is it?
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
Are they on? Oh, that's a question. How early can someone get on these things?
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
Again, I didn't even know about this. I didn't even know about egg freezing, really. Like, you kind of hear about it. And then my best friend works at Netflix. They pay for that. And so she was like, oh, I'm getting this done. That's a covered benefit? That's amazing. It's amazing.
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
It's so smart. But I was like, why are you doing that? She was like, well, they're paying for it and you might as well. And I was like, interesting. So then that's when I started thinking about it. But my age person did not think about it at all. Did you just do it? I did it at thirty five and then thirty six.
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
They act like you fall off a cliff and all that, but it is a steady state. It's steady. But I did better the second time, weirdly. Amazing. But I wish I had known so much earlier and just done it and felt insurance.
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
I'm not shocked. I know almost nothing. That's why I'm here. I got you.
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
Oh my God, that's so great. And you're doing all these fun things. You mentioned Reese. I know you're doing something tomorrow that's very cool. Love it.
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
Mm-hmm. That's a thing. Our sweatshirts were from Marine Layer for a little while. Yeah.
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
People would say yes, definitely. Because it's bounty.
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
But the bounty doesn't have the same alliteration as Charmin and Quicker.
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
My morning was good. Every two weeks, I get a flower delivery on Friday from Flamingo Estate.
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
Yes. So you don't know what you're going to get.
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
Yes. And it's always from a cool, like, farm place.
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
Today it was ranunculus. And they're orange.
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
And they're orange, and they're so pretty. I did lose a little track of time because I was cutting the ends, and I was, you know, cleaning up the stems.
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
Well, they got to put them in a vase.
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
I know. It's so smart. These delivery services.
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
They can really brighten your day. I would recommend that for a gift.
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
Unfortunately, I did try to gift this exact thing today. Oh, just today? Today's Callie's birthday.
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
Happy birthday, Callie. And I was going to get her this weekly bloom bundle.
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
It's part of the fun. It's part of the limited dish element.
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
Yeah, I would prefer not. I know. That's why I don't look at them.
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
It might sound disrespectful to the audience what I'm about to say.
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
And I don't mean that. I love our audience so much. I love the armcherries. I'm so grateful that people listen to us. But I don't care.
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
If they don't like an episode, I also personally, I don't believe it. I don't believe that what you're reading is indicative of what people think. And that, it bums me out that you get like ensnared.
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
It's a delusion, but you're only seeing like one piece of the whole puzzle.
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
You don't know who you're even talking to.
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
It could literally be one person. This is what I'm saying. Oh, that's got 30 accounts. Yes, this is my point. Like, to get wrapped up in it, your strongest trigger is getting taken advantage of. But when you react like this, I think you've been taken advantage of.
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
But if it's threatened, yes, of course.
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
Why is that so scary to you? Like, of course, it sounds it's bad, right? Like, I think it's bad, too. I'm like, this is a huge problem. But I don't have this reaction that you have. And I wonder, I mean, obviously, we know that if anything's like causing this, that much of a reaction. It's something else. It's something about us or our past or our, like the fear is about us.
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
Oh, I'm just like, guys, we had a perimenopause menopause expert on. It's really intense.
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
if you want to look at it in a way that's selfish, it's good to hear the other person's point of view so that you know how to combat it.
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
And that can't really be a part of my... I also think you are in a program that requires self-reflection, growth, checking yourself. And so I do think you're extra...
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
It bothers you more when you see people who aren't doing that or don't care to do it. But there's just a lot of people who don't. And I guess I respect that that bothers you. To me, I think if that bothered me, I would die. Like that'd be too much. Like I can't take on that people don't want to change. That's not my job to make people want to change. And, you know, like I can only do me.
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
People really have a huge problem with... wishy-washy-ness. Right. I've heard that a lot.
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
Flip-flopping. And a lot about politicians, they say that a lot about politicians that, oh, they said this and now they're saying this.
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
Why can't, they should be changing their opinion. It's so weird to me It's so much worse to me that they would have said something so long ago, felt stuck in saying that, and now they just have to believe that forever. That's a big problem. But both sides hate that.
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
It feels very backwards, but... But again, like I can't get that riled up about other people feeling that way because I can't change them.
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
Do you think it's because when your dysfunctional family ended in, I mean, it ended in pain for you specifically and pain for your mom and pain.
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
Because I think not everyone, I'm sure some people are spared this, but there's a fair amount of dysfunction that happens in a lot of families. And I think I also grew up with- Some dysfunction. Dysfunction amongst the adults. But they didn't split up over it. Obviously, for me, having grown up and seeing things I didn't like, I think, well, I can't do that for my life.
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
I don't want to replicate that. Yeah. But I also am kind of like, like it sort of worked out and it's kind of fine.
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
I also think people, I mean, again, the generous offering is that they want their opinion heard and seen. And they want to feel, people just want to feel like a person who exists. I mean, we all just want proof that we exist. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that is a version of it.
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
Well, it's funny that you brought up hating because on my ride here, I was listening to a podcast and they were talking about Meghan Markle. And they weren't saying that they hated her, but they were saying like there is this like vitriol around her. Yeah. And there is. And it was interesting because it did make me think.
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
No, I was just going to ask if you hated anyone.
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
Because I was like, I don't, when I really think about it, I mean, I don't hate any strangers. And even people in my life who I, like, who I do have, like, friction or cause stress.
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
I don't hate them. I don't think I hate anyone, actually.
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
Yeah, I feel like I remember one time years and years and years ago, probably when I was babysitting and we were playing games and stuff, Catan. I said something like, oh, I hate this. And you said, you say hate a lot.
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
Well, it's been a minute probably. I was saying it just as a random word really.
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
Yeah. It didn't carry the weight that it was carrying for you. But then I was like, yeah, that is a big word to be sort of throwing around. And I think I don't really say it as much.
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
Right. But he... Taking is so like, like he didn't have a mind of his own. Oh, I know. I mean, that's so.
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
Made the choice. Never to return. I mean, yeah.
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
I guess. I don't know. I don't know that I would. I think I would be like, yikes. She like. No, but you got to evaluate him. You got to evaluate the dude. That's the part I actually can't relate to. Like for me, Harry made a choice about his life and his family.
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
And I don't see it as this woman like took him away.
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
Exactly. I see it as a man who made a choice based on a lot of things, including the death of his mother. And so I don't, have a problem with him being like, there's a lot of fucked up shit over there and I had to leave it.
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
True. But I think if Malia... and married this Russian person.
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
And then they went on Russian TV and they were talking about it. And she was saying like, look, the White House was horrible. And the media in America was horrible. And this is what they did. And this is what happened.
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
But I'm saying they speak specifically about British media.
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
Yes. And we have had enough people on who have corroborated that the British tabloids.
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
I guess I don't. I just don't. Like, I think if they were like... Because we have to make it equal. I don't because I don't. I mean, look, we have obviously media issues, but it's not the same.
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
No, then it goes to the son, William's son. Harry can't be the king.
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
I agree. I mean, that's why we don't, it's like hard to make this equivalency. But also like, why should he possibly stay in this thing that he sees as fucked up? Oh, yeah, yeah. Like, I don't know. I just commend.
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
But we also we also, you know, more than anyone that like if someone if you're in love with with someone and people around you are not treating that person well.
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
You're going to protect them and you're going to say, ultimately say, fuck this. Like, this is a problem. We're going to go now.
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
You're just saying you understand why people don't like it.
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
It's not hard for me to understand. I do wish they would take a second look at it. Like, it doesn't affect them. It really doesn't.
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
Get over it. Like, I mean. And I hate royalty. Yeah. Yeah.
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
I actually can understand that weirdly. Right. You like royalty. I can buy into... The royal family and thinking that's cool and that's a part of your history. I do get that. Even that, like, even feeling that way, I don't think I would feel personally injured by one of them going to live their life. I think differently. I think people don't like her because they think she's fake.
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
People think she's fake. People think she's mean, but she pretends to be nice. Like there's a lot of and then with the new show, they're like, what is this? She's just moving pretzels from one bag to another bag. This is stupid.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
You know what? I'm not laughing either because it's clear that she does like it. I don't think it's fake. It may seem ridiculous to someone who's like living a life, going to work and having to come home and then turning that on.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
Exactly. Turning it on and seeing... that her day is spent moving pretzels from one bag into another bag.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
She, it's like, that's a very, uh.
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
Simple explanation. She's having a guest over and she's gonna put together this like cute little tray.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
By the bed for the guest. Yeah. It has like flowers and stuff. And then she like buys these pretzels, I think with peanut butter. They look delicious. Okay. And she put them in another, she took them out of the bag. She put them in another cute little bag and put like.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
Yeah. And put them, like, you know, wrote peanut butter pretzels and, like, tied it up.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
She made it cute. And I think that does bring her joy.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
And so it's kind of what we talked about before with the, you know— The like men's podcast and stuff.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
If you don't like it, just don't watch it. If you think this is sort of offensive because your life, it's not reflective of your life.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
Well, yes, because who deserves anything? Like, do we inherently—I mean, we deserve, like, dignity.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
But to me, other than that, we as people don't, like, come out deserving of anything. money or I don't know. It's a weird thing.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
Yeah, they're advanced privileges. Yes.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
In a way that I needed to be overwhelmed.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
I just mean, we don't all deserve to be a basketball... I mean, like, that's my whole point. We don't come out deserving everything. Right. We have different skills and privileges and things that allow us to, like, live the life we're going to live. But I don't know that we deserve... Like, I don't know that Brene... I mean... Of course, I love her. So I think she deserves.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
Yeah. But the 7-Eleven guy, if, if.
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Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
If his one sentence repeated over and over and over again has a massive impact on people.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
And it changes their life and it like makes them think about the world differently. He deserves it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
Yeah, exactly. And I don't. Yeah, none of us do.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
I do think so much of dislike, though, is jealousy.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
In general and for all of us. If we dislike a lot, not always. Of course, there's like people who do horrible shit to other people. Yeah. You're going to dislike that. But like when you're just like irked by someone who you don't know. Yeah. It's probably because there's something that you're triggered that you wish you had or, I mean, again, this thing she's presenting is perfection, right?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
Like she has, she's able to make her own honey. She has this bee farm. She has her own bees? Yeah, she has her own bees and she makes her own honey and then she makes these like.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
Wow. That is good news. Yeah. But, like, she makes her own, like, raspberry preserves and, like, because she has a raspberry bush. And so people are like, I want a raspberry bush, and I want— I want to spend my day doing this nice, fun stuff. Exactly.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
Circles back to what I said earlier.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
I mean, that's the part. That's a bummer. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
Yeah, one's harmless and the other one is causing harm, personal harm to them, the people who are doing it. And I mean, I do think it's a privilege to be Kristen or be me. And I'm like watching this, you know, I'm just watching the show and I'm like, oh yeah, like.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
Yeah, I'm like, oh my God, like I should order some of those tomatoes and make that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
Exactly. I am not like, well, why does she get to have that? I think I have plenty.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
Are doing well. Real quick facts. This is for Mary Claire Haver. Great episode.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
My assumption is it's hopefully going to be huge.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
She posted about it. She did? Uh-huh. It was really sweet and cute because it was out early. And she said it was really, she had a good time with us.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
I'm going to have to get a facial. Hard as a rock.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
Exactly. There's a lot coming slash here. Yeah. And there are real things to do. And so I got to do them.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
I do have a new top that is pretty see-through.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
Oh, my God. I couldn't maybe get away with it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
Yeah, that could be done. On YouTube.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
Yeah, but you know my instinct is to just, like, play it so cool. Can you cross your legs a lot? No, go for it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
I don't know, though. On your deathbed? On your deathbed. I think this person might be more intrigued by someone playing it so cool.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
Yeah. Jess says he's starting to turn the more he hangs out with me.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
Oh, man. Anyway, okay, well, that's TBD for people.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
Okay, some facts. Okay, Rob, can you help me? What did you type in to get the names of those guys who did the WIH study?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
That is, I, for the life, I was trying so many ways of typing this into Google, and I can't. It won't. That's not coming up for me. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
Okay. So these are for the Women's Health Initiative. This is who you say was a part of the study.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
Okay. So maybe they've doubled down. But they, I don't think, are part of the original study.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
Dr. Bernadine Healy. This is in 91. She was the female director of the NIH, and she announced her plan for the Women's Health Initiative. There was a ton of people involved in this. And it was a 15-year study. I mean, and it was wrong.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
Okay. Now, peak suicide rates for women. Female suicide is concentrated in the 35 to 64-year range. That's 64.8%.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
I get it. I get why it's weird. I wouldn't have expected that either.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
But it's those hormones, brain changes. Scary. Scary. But good to know, like if you're starting to feel.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
Great. So she realized she had it because.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
This is like the most PC you've ever been.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
Okay. Male pattern baldness doesn't exclusively come from the mother's side. It can be influenced by genes from both parents. The AR gene is located on the X chromosome, which men inherit from their mothers. However, other genes and environmental factors also play a role. If your mother's father has male pattern baldness, you're more likely to have it too.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
If your father is bald, you're twice as likely to have it. Hormonal fluctuations, nutritional habits, stress level, and lifestyle choices can impact the onset and progression of baldness. Yeah. Genetic factors from both parents significantly influence the likelihood of experience.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
Do you want to do that thing that Ike did?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
Okay. Yes. Oh, we're gonna be competing.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
Oh, my God. Okay. And then, oh, real quick. So she said that there are places that you can donate your eggs for free and keep some.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
So that's cool. And there's one place called Co-Fertility that does this. I don't know if this is the one she was talking about. I can't endorse this. I don't know much about it, but it is... One of the places.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
Yes. If you'd like to look into it, that's a place. All right. That's it for Mary Claire. Thank God she came in. She really rattled me.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
You don't like that? No. I feel like you say it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
Oh my God, Atelier. This past weekend.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
Last weekend, I was doing a long walk. I walked on Sunset. I was doing this whole thing, and I passed a new coffee shop, and I went in, and I tried it, and I texted Rob, and I asked if he had tried it yet. Uh-huh. And then he went the next day, and he reminded me there was a merch there that said Atelier on it. Ah. Did you buy it?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
Yeah, I know. I considered it too. Should we get it?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mary Claire Haver (on menopause)
Yeah, we learned a lot. We learned a lot.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Right. Well, yes.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
But her class would be one in my dream.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Oh, okay. The Prisoner's Dilemma. Oh, my God, I did it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
I've been trying to remember who did the Stanford Prison Experiment.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Yeah, but I said, I'm going to commit this to memory, and I did. You did it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
That's how it felt.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Or is it Milgram that did shocks?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Yeah. Oh, my God.
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Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
At 24, I lost my narrative, or rather it was stolen from me. And the Monica Lewinsky that my friends and family knew was usurped by false narratives, callous jokes, and politics. I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again.
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Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
So I think listeners can expect me to be chatting with folks, both recognizable and unrecognizable names, about the way that people have navigated roads to triumph. My hope is that people will finish an episode of Reclaiming and feel like they filled their tank up. They connected with the people that I'm talking to and leave with maybe some nuggets that help them feel a little more hopeful.
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Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
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Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
In addition to their real Ritalin. Although Diet Pepsi's becoming more of a thing. I don't know if you guys heard about the new trend. Say it. There's a song out called Diet Pepsi and Diet Pepsi sales are skyrocketing. Come on. Yeah, it's real. Who sings a song? She's a big...
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Is that just because we know that we... Yes.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
It's real. Some people have converted from Diet Coke to Diet Pepsi. Oh, wow.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
At Harvard. That's a very fancy name.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Yeah. So you're going to ask me a question.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Oh, I got it at Sarah Hendler's studio. It's vintage.
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Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
The first time I've ever been was yesterday.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
I guess I'm just busy. I'm busy.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
I work a lot. I have a busy job.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Have you heard of podcasts?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Oh, I'm not supposed to ask.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
That's right. HBS.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
You didn't know where I got my sweater.
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Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
You learned a lot very quickly. I guess you didn't learn that I was busy, but because you already know that. We've got to reverse it. I'm so scared. Okay. What should I ask? Well, I want to ask a serious question. Okay. Can I? Yeah. You're working on a personal project. It's been taxing and I want to know how you're doing.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
If you do a scale of one to 10, 10 being the most relief and one being agony, that's a weird scale.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
And are you doing anything to help balance it out?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Are you an addict?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
That tracks. Okay. But I did know some of the answers.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Seeing if being more outspoken, like you can't say, well, it's because they look like this. All the factors are the same.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
I have that too, but sometimes it can backfire in a dating. I mean, even the question I asked you was immediately vulnerable. Yeah. I do tend to do that even on early dates because I want to know for myself what's going on with this person. How introspective are they? How interesting are they? And so I'm like, tell me about your trauma. Tell me about your trauma.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
They often do it and that's lovely. But then if I then don't want to go on another date, I feel guilty. Yeah. Because I've now put them in a position to be very vulnerable and maybe make them feel worse because you actually know them. Well, that's another bad thing. But I feel sort of manipulative. I put you in a position to be vulnerable. You were.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
It was relaxing.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Do you do it, Monty? Yeah. I think probably everyone does it in certain circumstances. I did it today on the fact check, but that's a little tricky. Because it's a product. It's a product. And so weirdly, it's a mix of these.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
We both come in sometimes knowing I'm going to tell this story, knowing it will lead to a real conversation. I, this morning, was like, oh, my hand looks different. Oh, I'm going to bring that up on the fact check.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
You get a cut, and then it scars, and then you're looking at your hand, like, whose hand is this? You have very lovely hands. Thank you very much. They were blowing about a week ago.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
But anyway, so I sat down and I said, have you ever had this experience? To start the conversation.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Yeah, I did want to know the answer, but also I was like, we're going to talk about this now.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Very nice compliment.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Exactly. It's so interesting, this whole topic, because I feel like we think about it a lot. I don't know if I'm going to get in trouble for saying this, but for people who are neurodivergent, like the show everyone loved. Oh, Love on the Spectrum. Yes. I love that show. I didn't watch it. Everyone loved it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
There was a lot of this teaching how to have conversations and active listening, all these tools.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Yes. It's so lovely to see that in practice, but it's also kind of arrogant of neurotypical people who are watching and they're like, yeah, they don't know how to do that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
No one's doing it right.
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Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
So fun. And I do think we take for granted conversation. We think we're just going to show up and be able to do it. I really, really like this in the context. I mean, in general, but dating, which we talk about a fair amount and why a lot of these are not very successful.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Because I'm hearing this all the time and nothing's changing.
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Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
You're so fun. So helpful for so many people, I think.
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Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
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Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
I think you could, now that we know the definition, it doesn't mean you're declaring that you're gay when you're not and being a hypocrite. And the other one, what was after queer? Bottom. You could, and that would be interesting for people.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Because maybe you are a bottom, even in your heterosexual sex.
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Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Or you're on your back and she's on top.
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Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Right. Right. I know that.
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Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
He's technically on top, you're saying.
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Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Physically in space.
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Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
But he is a bottom because he's getting penetrated. Yeah.
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Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Well, okay. Look, not to make this even more complicated, but the masculine shirt is cherry on top.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
So that also could be seen as sexual.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Change it to cherry on bottom.
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Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Yeah, ours are disgusting.
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Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Anyone who wants to. Oh, I see. You're making a joke. I'm making a joke. Oh, wow.
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Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
I don't think anyone needs to declare anything. It's a cutesy shirt with a little mouse on it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
I think the deeper problem is we've decided that cookie boy means something that it doesn't.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Right. I mean, I don't know what to say. A cookie boy has nothing to do with sexual appetites.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
It has to do with loving cookies.
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Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
A man named Tim? Yeah.
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Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
What does it mean?
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Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Gen X is really upset about words. I think, I think millennials aren't thinking like that. It's been Gen, Gen Z and COVID, COVID Gen. They're definitely not thinking about it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
I heard that once, but I think it's called maybe Gen Alpha or something.
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Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
I know, but I actually think theirs makes more sense because millennials have such. Yeah, we have.
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Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
My brothers in my gen that we are not in the same. We shouldn't be in the same gen.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
No, he grew up with internet and phones and stuff. I got one in college or late high school. You know, it's just different.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Well, I guess I sort of have an update here, sort of.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Yeah. Okay. So I think I dropped an album that The Matchmaker entered my life again.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
With an option that was intriguing to me. Yeah. And we texted a little bit to make a date. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Correct. And so it was very just like logistics. There was like one cute exchange and then it was on to logistics.
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Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
So this was Saturday and he said, I have a really busy week. What about next weekend? And I said, yeah, that should work. And he said, you're in blank, right? Well, it feels. What if I started getting very protective? And I was like, yeah, and you're on the West side. And then he never responded. Again.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
I said. I asked the question. And you're on the West Side, question mark.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
And that was Saturday. Okay. He didn't respond.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
And so I was like.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Well, no. I was like, what happened? But.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Okay. Whatever. Who cares? Right. And then on Friday, he texted. Six days later. Uh-huh. Six days later. Well, I guess it's seven days. Yeah. Yeah. And he said, hey, sorry this got away from me. are you still good for this weekend? And I was like, no.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Then I felt like, oh, am I just being... Like doing a normal, like this is an out. Finding a way. Finding a way out, I guess.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Exactly. It's not for me.
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Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
That's interesting.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
I said I at first I was I was like going to be pretty harsh. And then I backed off and I just said, what did I say exactly? Let's see what I said.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Kind of. I wanted to see how he would respond.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Yeah. I said, you're on the West Side? He said, hey, sorry, lost track of this. Yeah, I'm on the West Side a week later. Yeah, yeah. Are you still good with tomorrow? I said, hey, no problem. I made plans this weekend, but happy to try to schedule something again. And then he said, oh, okay, bummer. Well, we can try another time. That was it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
And I said, yeah, for sure. I said, next week nights are pretty open for me other than this, and I didn't hear anything back. So...
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Right. I agree. I agree. And that was my instinct. But then I thought, well, maybe whatever. Like, I don't know him.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Wait, sorry, I have one more twin thing. I know we're past twins. I have to know if you have the thing that they all have where you can sort of read each other's minds.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
I mean, I was just like, I don't maybe I should give it another like offer up some other option.
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Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Thank you. Well, for me, I kind of thought, oh, this person is used to that being fine.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Well, I think it's kind of generous. It's like for him, women are happy to just go out with him when he's ready to go out with him. She said he's really hot and tall. So, like, I don't know.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Well, I agree. Like, good for you if this has worked out for you in the past, but that is not.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
I just didn't want to get into that. Right. Then it's like, oh, sorry. Or whatever he's got. I don't want to really have that interaction with someone I don't really know. Although I did. That was my instinct. And I did ask for advice. And I guess it was I got bad advice.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
I don't know. But he didn't respond again. So, like, I'm not seeing him, obviously. And that's two strikes. That's two strikes.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
You don't think that about the apps, but I guess you're the one scrolling.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
I don't think it's that dissimilar from telling all your friends like, hey, I am single and I want you to keep your eye out for me. This is what I like. Yes.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
There's like real tricks for conversation.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Yeah, I understand that. I understand that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
But I agree with you. I don't think in all these cases, it's not necessarily... I don't know how. I do think a lot of it is like, make this easier for me. But it is hard to date. So I do think, you know, make this easier for me is a real thing to want and pursue. Yeah. I mean, of course, my ego also. Even when he said, I'm busy, I was like, bitch. Yeah. I'm busy too.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
You're not the only... And I do think... I mean, I don't know what he knows about me.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
If he knows my last name. I don't know if he's... I don't know. It's kind of what you've talked about before of like the really, really, really gross part of being so insecure, but also...
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
like knowing your worth or like having like a a strong ego too zero self-esteem and megalomaniacal thinking that's that's me i know but and i but i don't i don't think i'm megalomaniacal you're not as extreme on either ends of the spectrum right exactly yes but i i do think there are moments and it i guess it depends on who i'm interacting with but in this case
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
When he when he says, like, I'm so busy with no other question. You know, it's not like I'm so busy. What do you do? What do you you know, it's just like this is this is my life. I'm busy.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Yes. And then what happens for me, which is equally gross.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Is you have to work your way into my life. This is not going to work because I'm you.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
No, I don't think, no.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
I don't think it's, I'm not, I don't think I'm unattractive.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Okay, yes, but I do think, I think I'm ugly, but that I, there is something overall. Yeah, overall. All right, so now I don't even feel bad.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Yeah, I guess. Although when you say it out loud, it's like, no, if I'm ugly, I can't be a catch.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
I hate myself. I need to read an upcoming guest book. But I really don't. I don't hate myself. No. I mean, I don't.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
And you know it. I do know it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
I don't know if it would help me to know that because I think it's, I actually think, really?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Yeah, I guess so. I but I I wonder if I just had like 100 percent self-esteem, no insecurities. I felt so good.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
I don't know that I would ever find some. I mean, I already am never finding someone. So I guess what would be the difference?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
I guess that's true.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
But I think I would.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
But, okay, I have a bad question. Okay. Do you think, my stomach's around. Also, this is kind of a ding, ding, ding, because this is for Allison, conversations, dating.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Talking. Yeah. So this is very relevant, actually.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
You do recognize, right, that like, or am I wrong? I mean.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Do you ever get to the face?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Not everyone's physically beautiful. Or am I wrong about that?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Physically, just by looking, no personality.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Kristen, like I think 100% of people will see, just see her face.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Right. And you don't think.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
But you don't think on face. I mean, you can do. I mean, I think confidence. But that doesn't do anything to their. You think it like morphs their face?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
I think you potentially like personality more than your average Joe. I think you're right.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Yeah, but I'm like, there's no one left.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
I kind of think there's no one left. It's like the guys who respect a woman's personality and is attracted to that and like that. Yeah. They're gone. They're taken. Like those people are, for women, that is the most attractive thing.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
That's true. Yeah. Whoa.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
We are lost indeed. Okay.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
I know, but that's... I know, but it's not me.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
I... And then this is the other swing that I'm talking... I know me.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
I am not unclear about me. Like, I know... who I am, and I like that person. So I am not going to be like, I guess maybe I'll change up this whole me in order to be- Broadcast. Exactly, to broadcast or be more like overtly attractive to people.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Yeah, that's true. And just with age, probably.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
I know the point you're making.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
I know. I know what you're saying. But you might not be hearing what I'm saying, which is I get that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
I am not someone who—and I like this about me. I am not someone who is like, look at me. I'm so unique. I'm so special. For me, I'm like, you get to know me and you have that. You make your opinion. Yeah. Hopefully you come to that conclusion. Yeah. But I am not here to, yeah, to like throw that in your face. And I like that about me. I don't, I don't love when people need to do that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
But that's what I'm saying. That's why I'm ugly. Like, if you have to get over the hump of my face... Oh, my God.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Okay, let's do it. We have some- Yeah, we got to wrap up. Yeah, we really do.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Okay, so some facts for Allison.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
I loved this episode. I thought she was really interesting. Just the most basic topic possible. We really do take for granted. I thought about it a few times in conversation.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Yes, exactly. And even just like boomerang questions I've noticed from people, even me, I think about ending on a question. You know, I've just been more aware, which has been interesting. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
And the group hierarchies in conversation. That's really fascinating to watch.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Yeah, I loved it. Okay, I'm going to play a tiny bit of Diet Pepsi, a song by Addison Rae that comes up in the episode.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Yeah, you might need to.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Oh, God, that's a lot to balance.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Yeah. I mean. Okay.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
No, it's great. But it's exactly what I said about cookie boy.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
It's the same. Okay. How many people are mirror twins? About 25% of identical twins are mirror twins.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
I know, but you can still ask because maybe you'll find one of the 25%. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Exactly. Okay, so we talked about coordination games, game theory for a little bit, which was interesting. And there's some classic ones, Prisoner's Dilemma, which we spoke about.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
That part is very cool.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
The Battle of the Sexes. Okay, I'm going to read about that for a second. Okay. The game involves two players, boy and girl, deciding either going to a football game or going to an opera for their date, which respectively represent boys and girls' preferred activity, i.e., boy prefers football game and girl prefers opera.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
This example is a two-person, non-cooperative, non-zero-sum, that's called a TNNC, game with opposite payoffs or conflicting preferences. Okay.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Because there are two Nash equilibria, this case is a pure coordination problem with no possibility of refinement or selection. Thus, the two players will try to maximize their own payoff or to sacrifice for the other and yet non-zero sum for you if you lose, I guess.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Right. Okay. Thus, the two players will try to maximize their own payoff or to sacrifice for the other. And yet the strategy without coordination will lead to two outcomes with even worse payoffs for both if they have disagreement on what to do on their date.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
That's all it says.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Sure, maybe all of them have that element.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Now there's a matching pennies game.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
This game is a two person zero sum game. In order to play this game, both players will each need to be given a fair two sided penny. To start the game, both players will each choose to either flip their penny to heads or tails. This action is to be done in secrecy and there should be no attempt at investigating the choice of the other player.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
After both players have confirmed their decisions, they will simultaneously reveal their choices. This concludes the actions taken by the players to determine the outcome. The win condition for this game is different for both players. For simplicity and explanation, let's denote the players as player one and player two. In order for player one to win, the faces of the pennies must match.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
In order for player two to win, the faces of the pennies must be different.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
The payoff slash prize of this game is receiving the loser's penny in addition to your own.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Well, you'd keep playing and playing. Yeah. Looking at this matrix, we can conclude a few basic observations. One, for all scenarios, there will be a winner and a loser. Two, this is a zero-sum game where the payout to the winner is equal to the loss of the loser.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Three, there is no pure strategy Nash equilibrium. We don't know what that is.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Non-cooperative games are generally analyzed through the non-cooperative game theory framework, which attempts to predict players' individual strategies and payoffs and in order to find the Nash equilibria. I love this.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
This is so fancy and hard. I'm going to become an expert in game theory.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
I'm not smart enough for that, but I want to be. So maybe I will. Okay. That's that. Kant's dinner party rules. Conversation structure.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
I know, and I want to. Conversation structure. Dinner conversation should have three stages. Narration, argumentation, jesting. Lighthearted plays of wit.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Code of secrecy. Dinner party conversations should not be discussed with anyone outside of the dinner party.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Okay. I just want you to know up front. You're not invited. Okay. The goal of Kant's dinner parties was to encourage civility and listening to others. Kant believed that participants would hear each other and feel heard. Other dinner party etiquette tips. RSVP. Arrive on time. Be respectful of the host's practices, beliefs, and environment. That's bad for you. You won't eat the gluten bread. Okay.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Be a good conversationalist.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Be a good conversationalist. Bring a gift or something for the party to enjoy.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Parties should be limited to nine people and no fewer than three to avoid side conversations.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
There was, and it was driving you a little nuts. Yeah, it's a little. All right, that's it. That was everything.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Yeah, we really want that. Yeah. She's one of the guests that we have that is a teacher at a fancy school and their class is like so impacted. The most impacted, yes. People really want it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Oh, right. We did talk about that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
Do you know I often, I have a recurring dream.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)
That I am not finished, like everyone's finished work. With their classes, it's the last semester and I forgot to like put my classes in correctly. And now I'm behind and I'm gonna have to take all these extra classes to graduate. And then I'm also looking at the classes and I really want this specific class because it's like the fun class that everyone wants to take. I have this dream a lot.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
It's had a real resurgence. I was just at a friend's house in Georgia and all the kids were playing this.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
What are they saying? Like, hey, you should really think about my client. And you're like, yes or no. And then they call back and say, actually, you really should. All the time. And then the manager would call and say, this is the person.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Growing Pains. I fucked that up. That's sad. You wanted to ask about an early Leonardo DiCaprio.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Yes, and it looked fun.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
It's the reality of the times. It's not like anyone was kind of— No, it's the reality of the times.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Some of these things, like, I think should be in the Smithsonian.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
I don't know. They're all in my storage unit. That's fantastic.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Also a 1920s Spanish-style villa.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
I'm so excited to listen to James, which is a new title by Percival Everett that is very, very hot right now.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
We love Audible. This is how you go to bed.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
And it looks very profesh.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Therapy is essential to me during the holidays especially because I generally am going home.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
And I need sort of some stability from my therapy and guidance to stay nice.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Already, I'm already in. It's already tasty. Okay, well.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Well, no, sorry. I first worked for them as a nanny. So I worked for both of them originally.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
He was kind of hot at the time. Oh, enormous. He was definitely physically hot at the time. He also was in the zeitgeist. Breathtaking. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
And then maybe you were also going in and because you thought they didn't like you, you might have been being mean.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Not mean, but you might not have been warm.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
I was like, wow, this kid from Punk, he's really actually a good actor.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
That's so funny. I had the opposite feeling towards casting.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Like, I knew about you way before I moved to L.A. I was like, oh, my God. That is shocking to me. She's the person. And if I could get an audition. Like, even just getting an audition. I remember when it happened. And I was like, oh, my God. This is the craziest day of my life. I was so excited. But to me, casting directors were almost like teachers.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
The teacher I wanted the approval from, the person who was going to give me an A plus. And obviously I wanted the job, but I really wanted the casting director to like me so much. Yes. Which I think backfired a lot because then I wasn't just me. In commercials, this is probably bad to say, I did really well in commercials because I didn't care that much. which I just went in and did it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
And then lo and behold, you do pretty well when you don't overthink or you can just be you. Yeah, I had that. I was like, Cassie, you're an actress. Please love me. She's a good actress, though.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Very sweet.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Now the show's over. Yeah, I got in the sweet spot right before it ended too.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
It was before, because House of Lies, as House of Lies was ending, kind of, is when I started taking on more stuff.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Yeah, when all of your favorite comedies you look and it's you who's casted. Wait a minute. Yeah, I think this might be about her.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Yeah, I think it's because comedy requires you to be paying attention. It requires a lot of pain. It does.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
The camera stuff is new for all of us actually here, but you forget.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
It would be so hard for me for them to be passing on Brie Larson and Elizabeth Banks and Amy Adams. I would be like, guys, why are you doing this?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Exactly. I would be saying it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
And you deserve to have the ego. Your resume.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
We call it ABR, always recording. Let me get this coffee. Okay.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
And you're talking about in a studio.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
She's a casting extraordinaire.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
We love. The best of the very best.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
I think a mix is always good. Like if you, for the most part, stick to the sides the whole time, but maybe you improvise on the button or you add a little something. You better ask. Okay, great.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
I was going to say that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Yeah, you can't take on everyone's energy. The amount of energy. Oh, my God. But God bless actors.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Now we're adding up to like half a Kristen Bell. All three, it's looking pretty good.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Earlier you said, I love meeting new people, as all casting directors do, but I don't think that's true. I think you're an exception. I think a lot of casting directors, they don't necessarily want to see anyone new. They want reliable people they already know, and I think it's special.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
That's not real for anyone.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Well, I think it's special.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
But I think that's an exception. I really do. You really do? I don't know. I think it's special.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
It's not a humble opinion. Your opinion, again, your resume is insane. I was right to be so excited to get an audition from you.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
It's where the party's at. Yeah, but it's fine.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Monica? Two. Me and my brother. He's eight years younger than me, though. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
He wants to show up for his friends.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
It's like a reindeer.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
I think he's a bear reindeer.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
It's from Pottery Barn Kids.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
I think those are ears and then he, and then.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Is it remote control? That's our hat.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Yeah, so he's just sitting on some branches.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Yeah, it's festive in here.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Yeah, which we should tell, we have a holiday episode coming up. It's a bonus episode.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
It will be on YouTube though.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
I think people should watch it on YouTube.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
What constitutes a great meditation?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
And it definitely would have been her.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
That was the first thing out.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
That would be great. People would buy it. Are you done with your Christmas shopping?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
She does all Mike's stuff. Basically.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Well, it's not always the rules. You can make new rules. Like Secret Turkey, we have to make our gifts. You don't have to go out and buy. It's just taking time to think about people.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Yeah. Your favorite word.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
His wife's still alive?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Yeah, we need to know.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Is this the pumping the brakes thing?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Yeah, and we used to ask all British people if they agreed with this, and pretty much no one did.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Yeah. For me, the most intimate is holding hands. I have to basically... be about to marry you in order to hold my hand.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Well, this happened. It happened? I went on a couple dates with someone and they held my hand and I- You were ready. Was like, what are you doing?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
I guess the only real memory I have of having my handheld is as a kid from my parents.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Or my grandparents or someone like making sure I was safe.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
It wasn't just, no one in my family just holds hands. They don't. Yeah. I think it's on too, but it's my life. So my parents don't hold hands or anything. So it wasn't, it wasn't a symbol of like romantic affection. It was a symbol of safety and that's extremely intimate.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
So unless you're about to propose, you're not allowed to hold my hand.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Yeah. I feel like you hold your, you hold Kristen's hand, you hold people's hands. I hold Aaron's hand. Yeah. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
I think it's very nice. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
It is. It is. Okay, do I have my Christmas presents done? This year, I didn't feel like I got the there was a perfect gift for anyone, really. So I didn't really so far. I haven't got the satisfaction that I normally get in buying presents. But that's OK. You can't win every time.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Well, I know everyone will like it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
But I, it wasn't, I wasn't like, I'm not feeling like, I'm so excited for everyone to open their gifts. To see their faces. And see it and they're going to, and it's so thoughtful. It's like not as thoughtful this year, but you know, it's okay.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
A lot is sold. You said a lot was sold out and I thought you were just being nice. But then I went on to buy some, to send some stuff to my mom to buy me. And because she needs, she needs a written list.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
And a lot was gone. Oh, yeah. I wanted stuff off of that. Virtually nothing.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Oh, they got back in stock?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Oh, that's nice. That is really nice.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Oh boy. Yeah. Yeah, the signature can get very stressful.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Like I have to sign for it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
It's true, but this is what happens with technology. We just get accustomed to...
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Yeah. And we want it to be, I mean, again, we've talked about this a lot, but like the amount of minutes my brain has spent on wishing there was teleportation and really wishing, like thinking like, I think that's coming and that needs to come now.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Yeah. Where is it? Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Well... I think these are- You look great. Thank you.
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Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Thank you. But I think these are actually dark navy.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
I bought these at a store. And when I bought them, they were navy.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
I want to be honest and say I don't really remember, but I'm pretty sure they were.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Yeah. Okay. Thank you, Rob, for being honest, speaking your mind. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
I know. I will say that normally I'm more, it's Navy. Like I feel very definitive about it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
I'll give you that these, a couple times I've thought, are these black? But then they're not.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
You prefer me to say these aren't Navy than are these black?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
I just think it's literally the exact same thing. This is like what happens on sets where there's a line written and normally the writer says like, oh, this is the best way to say it. The main writer. Well, sometimes me. Yeah, I mean, sometimes me. Exactly. And says, well, no, this is... I've dissected that this is the funniest way to say it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
And then the actor or whoever will say the same line.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
And then the original person is like, oh, no, no, no. Can you go back? Can you say...
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
This isn't Navy and is this black?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Okay. Are these black?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
New read. Oh, is this Navy?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
No, but do the Navy one.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Oh, but I want you to do both so I could pick in the edit. Oh, oh. My God. You told me. You set this up.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
That was such a Rob joke.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
It wasn't a pun, though, but it was like a behavioral pun.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Yeah. Wow, that was great. Okay, wait, so.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Yeah, this is just like.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
No, no, no, no, no. It's, I just thought it was chic.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Because I have a fuzz.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Okay. I look down. This is my outfit. And then I saw I have a bunch of fuzzies on.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
You're dressed to impress.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
For me to look at my outfit and not look at my boobs, I'd have to like- Okay, fair, fair. I feel so conscious now.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
That was so long ago. Yeah. Well, I'm glad you had a great meditation. Mm-hmm.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Oh, I'm sorry. Well, also to them, like the 50s is like the 1900s to us.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
I don't want to watch a movie about the 1900s.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
So then you just text it throughout the whole movie.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Acting used to be so easy. All you had to do was move your tongue around.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
And it was considered good acting.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Hold on. Do a roll. Do it. As if you're, yeah, I want to see it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
It's a little out. Yeah. Oh, yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
I guess I have seen that face.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Since when do you want to clean it up? It's the holidays. The holidays are sexy. What are you talking about? People love to have sex.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
And for... People in couples, they have sex by the fire and stuff.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Yeah, but for even, right? People with children, like, don't they still have sex by the fire?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
But do you have a fireplace?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Well, you should fuck in front of it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Oh, no. And I know that. They think it's because of that?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
I'm kind of curious why it bumps you.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Well, that's the whole thing when your parents are afraid you're going to move to Hollywood and then become a porn actor. Yes. That's like the whole thing. That's the stereotype. They're like, don't go become, you're going to get sucked into porn.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Well, maybe then. Maybe he was just following his dad's dream.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Yes, I was about to say that he was.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
I haven't watched it since I learned that information, but yes, I can't, I wouldn't, I can't like see a picture and not think that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
But I also, it's more than just like, oh, he did a porno. It feels dark. There's something that feels dark about it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
For me, TV, I was obsessed. And now when it's like screen time, that was not a thing. My parents were like, you can watch as much TV forever.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Would you really have?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
I guess you're hanging out with them.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
No. You'd have sex with them, but you wouldn't have them film it. On camera.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Have you ever filmed yourself having sex?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
We're not saying who with.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Wait, what's the difference? This is like the... I'll tell you the difference.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Yeah. No, I didn't do that. Oh, then what is running some video on nudity? What's that look like?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
But it's not the act.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Okay. Okay. Okay. I mean, I don't have any problem with people making a sex tape.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Having sex by the fire. The holidays. Like most couples do.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
All right. Well, this is for Allison Jones. And this is our last episode of the year. I mean, sort of. We have a...
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
No, no, no, we do. But this is our last real episode. Then we have an Armchair Anonymous coming out on Friday. And then we have our holiday special.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
We added this location. That was a big deal. That was scary. That was a big change, a big challenge.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
And we're embracing it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Oh my gosh. I can't believe I forgot to say this. Do you know that the Pantone color of the year was announced?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Yeah. I'm so sorry. It's taken me this long.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
But do you know what it is? No, close.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
It's called mocha mousse, which is basically mocha mouse, which is basically brown mouse.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Okay, fine. Hold up the Pantone color to your cheeks. It's not really, but no, that one's little.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
It's called mocha. Miniature mousse? Mocha mousse.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
The TV shows were the babysitters. But for me, it was such a fantasy world. Like I could go in and I could pretend I was in full house and the whole thing. Did you have that with TV? Like you were using it as an escape or not really?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Okay, but it's a little more pink.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
But that's a great sign.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Yeah, I think so. For all all of the people who listen, it's going to be a great year.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Yes, that's the whole you know, it's my background on my phone.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
That's the whole that's what I do.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Mocha Moose. Moose Knuckle. Brown Mouse. They'll do some collabs. Sometimes there's often a mug. I might get that this year. Yeah. And yeah, so I make the background of my phone the color.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Yeah, that's more peach. That's more what this year's was.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
No, I don't get to put it on until January 1st.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Oh, wow. Oh, my God. Do they have the mug?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Okay, great. Oh, I wish they made an iPhone case in it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
That would be great because then the wallpaper, everything would be brown mouse.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Anyway, this is this year's. That's more nude to me. I mean, the color.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Yeah, and the mocha mousse is nude for a brown person. Light brown person.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Whatever. I embrace this as me.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
I didn't. I promise. It's because when you zoom in, for some reason it looks.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Yeah, so there you go.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Okay, two facts. One, she got her business degree for $750 a trimester at UCLA. Now, I made a mistake when I checked this fact before.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
When I type in now, UCLA business degree cost, it says the total cost of the MBA program is, Is $128,000 per year, including tuition and living expenses. The tuition is $78,000 per year.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
It must have been not the MBA program that I looked at. It must have been regular tuition. Because I Googled this now like eight times because I was also confused. Right. That's wild.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Yeah. So obviously I looked up the wrong thing. Yeah. So I don't know.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
All right. And then why are they called sides?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
In acting, sides refers to a specific part of a script given to actors for auditions because historically actors would only receive their own lines from a scene, essentially just their side of the dialogue, which helped protect the full script from being copied or shared with competitors, especially during Shakespeare's time when printing was limited, hence the term sides.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
We also discovered that he's married. His wife's name is Anne Hathaway.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
That is shocking. And I'm surprised that I didn't know that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
No, because I had to take a lot of Shakespeare.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
I should have known that. Maybe I did and I blocked it. I don't know. But Anne Hathaway, well, she is a style icon.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
I agree. I agree. I agree.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Yeah, I mean, Princess Diaries, she was just two years old.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
No, but she was young.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Not as young as Pepsi Girl.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
I would love to interview her and ask her that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Or if she wants to come in as Anne Hathaway, Shakespeare's wife.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
That would be cool. Yeah. Who could I be? I don't think they have many brown. I will dress up as a piece of poop on the floor. What? Because they didn't have very many brown people.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
We're trying to be true to the times.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
I know who I'll be, a butler.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Chambermaid? Because they had Indian... Servants?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
I think. I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure back then, England, because they owned India. Listen, I'll be a poop.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Wow. All right. Well, we aren't going to do this again until I guess the holiday special, but that'll be a little different.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
And then next year, 2025, your 50th year.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
And 2025 feels really sharp.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, there's something about you being 50 and it being 25. That's nice.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
You should be more excited about that. All right. All right, love you. Love you.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Hugely important, especially for the talent. You don't really realize that until you come here and you're like, oh, wow, casting directors and casting is a huge component of this.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Allison Jones (Award-Winning Casting Director)
Yeah, they don't know.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Sedaris #5
But do you think everyone has to have a personality that you interact with?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Sedaris #5
I mean, it really can. Actually, this is interesting when you're talking about the shawl. For us, it's humiliating for him to just give you something and then you're giving money. But is it humiliating? Objectively, not really, right? If they want the thing. Oh, yeah. Emotionally, it feels horrible to watch it, but also they don't feel horrible.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Sedaris #5
Yeah. This is the ozempic conversation for a lot of people. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Sedaris #5
At 24, I lost my narrative, or rather it was stolen from me. And the Monica Lewinsky that my friends and family knew was usurped by false narratives, callous jokes, and politics. I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again.
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David Sedaris #5
So I think listeners can expect me to be chatting with folks, both recognizable and unrecognizable names, about the way that people have navigated roads to triumph. My hope is that people will finish an episode of Reclaiming and feel like they filled their tank up. They connected with the people that I'm talking to and leave with maybe some nuggets that help them feel a little more hopeful.
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David Sedaris #5
Follow Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to Reclaiming early and ad free right now by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts.
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David Sedaris #5
He picks them out so specifically that I understand.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Sedaris #5
He's a progressive pope, right? That's a whole thing.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Sedaris #5
That's great. It's funny what you just said about you think it's a joke about one thing and then it's not. And that's why it's actually funny because it's actually not offensive. But you're scared that it is. And then you're like, oh, I can laugh. There's like a relief in it. I was watching Shane Gillis's stand up.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Sedaris #5
He's very, very funny. But it came out like a year ago and a lot of people watched it. And I remember Kristen was like, I don't think you should watch it. You won't like it to me. So I didn't. And then since then, we've had some other people on who I do think are offensive. So then I was like, now I want to see this guy and see.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Sedaris #5
And I don't find it offensive at all because it's so nuanced who you're making fun of.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Sedaris #5
Yeah. I think that's what separates a very, very good comedian from a shock jock. And to some people, it can all sound the same, but it's really, really not.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Sedaris #5
It's so ironic because it's an attempt to be inclusive. And then, in fact, it just sort of erases people's individual identities.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Sedaris #5
But as soon as they even meet you for lunch, they're not going to be that. They're not that. That's a presence you're able to have when you're not in front of another person. That's an online rage.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Sedaris #5
Do you want to explain the value of art to Dax? Because he has a hard time understanding it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Sedaris #5
Yeah, I've been in that position, too. I mean, you're ordering the thing you want to eat. So, yeah, you don't want to give half of it away.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Sedaris #5
Okay, but you both have money so you can say, let's start with two and maybe we'll get another one if everyone's still hungry. Nope. You guys aren't resonating with this?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Sedaris #5
Yeah. And did you eat them both all or were you like, I'll save some, take some home or no? No.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Sedaris #5
Well, yeah, maybe part of it is the big family, but the addict thing is a piece of this.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Sedaris #5
But back to the Ozempic thing, I agree with you. I think that takes away your desire for food, and that's sad.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Sedaris #5
I am not in a rush to get it off, but I wait till the longest moment before I put it on in the morning. So like if it's a weekend and I'm not going out anywhere, I probably won't wear one. But when I get home from work, I'm not like, I got to get this thing off.
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David Sedaris #5
I think women say it in a sexual context, but I agree that you're not like, I'm going shopping for panties today.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Sedaris #5
Yeah. But I agree with you. That's how all things become palatable. You meet people who you like, who are of different religions, races, all of these things. And then you're like, oh, that's fine now.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Sedaris #5
You are. You, I think, have the crown for the most.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Sedaris #5
Keep coming back, please. Every armchair, if you ask anyone, like, who are your favorite guests?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Sedaris #5
Yeah, but I'm trying not to be stressed out because... Buddhism. Yeah. I'm trying. I was yesterday. Did you get impacted by the... Extremely impacted by White Lotus finale. Yeah. We won't talk about it with the details because you haven't finished, but I do want to talk about it overall. There are so many parts of the whole season.
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David Sedaris #5
The whole season is about, I mean, the whole series is really about Buddhism, I think. But this season specifically is like, you know, kind of hitting you over the head with it a little bit.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
David Sedaris #5
Yes. He, oh my God. Mike White? I just think Mike White is so brilliant in his accuracy. Like everything, every storyline is so accurate.
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David Sedaris #5
But so funny. He dabbles in Buddhism. So it comes through in all the seasons, I think. Yeah. Because I think what they're all saying in different ways, obviously, the first season is a class is speaking to class.
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David Sedaris #5
And second season is speaking to relationships. And then this one is religion that it's he just shows over and over again how. flimsy our grasp on reality is uh-huh like what we think is true to us and what our identities are and who we are and even our beliefs are are are so flimsy everything
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David Sedaris #5
Yeah, but then we put so much on top of it. The expense, like I'm going to a fancy restaurant tonight. That proves that I'm valuable in society and that people want to be, I'm superior. Like we put, we make all these hierarchies and it's all made up. Like everything is made up. I was, because yesterday I was walking to go somewhere to work and
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David Sedaris #5
And I like sat down with my computer and I thought, how do Buddhists work? Like, I don't want to do like, what is the point of this? What is the point of sitting here and picking apart this conversation and making it sound good? And all of this is for money. And like, why?
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David Sedaris #5
It is. I know. And... I know. But for me, there's stress on it, right? Like I'm doing it so that it's so good so that we are able to have all these downloads and then we're able to earn our money. And it's all like – and I'm able to feel comfortable in that big house. Like it's all –
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David Sedaris #5
Yeah, it's all dumb. And it is so, so ironic and so stupid. But I, the weekend started. I mean, again, this is like a bottle. This isn't a bottle episode, but it kind of is.
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David Sedaris #5
On Friday, I mean, on Saturday, I went shopping with Callie. And as we love to do.
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David Sedaris #5
I went to a new store that I was really excited to go to. That's a fancy store that, you know, you walk in and you do, it's very pretty woman. You come in and you have to prove yourself there a little bit.
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David Sedaris #5
And Callie even said, she was like- Opposite of Costco.
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David Sedaris #5
Completely opposite of Costco. Costco is a fantastic company. Like when we walked up, they said, do you have an appointment? And we said, no. And then they said, okay, it's fine. How many? And we said two. And they said we could go in. While we were there, there was a watch.
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David Sedaris #5
There was a gorgeous watch too, actually. And the first one I tried on was gold Cartier. Beautiful. It has like this tiny face. I love, I love a tiny face.
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David Sedaris #5
It's so tiny. And, you know, I put it on and it was beautiful. And then he said the price. I was like, oh my.
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David Sedaris #5
Yes. And I was kind of like, get it off. Like, I can't.
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David Sedaris #5
So he took it off. But there was this other one I had seen, and Cal was like, maybe you should try on that other one. He put it on my wrist. White gold Cartier, tiny face. Also vintage. I mean, it is so pretty. It looks great on my wrist. Yeah. It's extremely unique. Uh-huh. Ask the price, he told me. It was significantly cheaper than the first one.
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David Sedaris #5
Felt cheap. I said, I'm going to think about it. Yeah, okay. Took it off. Callie made me promise her I wouldn't buy it that day.
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David Sedaris #5
So I... was ruminating on this watch for 48 hours, basically.
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David Sedaris #5
And I, you know, I was like, I really, you know, I was looking on the internet to see if I could find anything like it.
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David Sedaris #5
Yeah, it's like they wore blue shirts. Can you believe?
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David Sedaris #5
It's nowhere to be found. They found the only one. And so, you know, then I was like, God, should I do it? And then I've been asking people, and of course, some people are like, absolutely not, no.
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David Sedaris #5
And then some people are like, well, I mean, like, it is an investment. It's a, you know, people do that. So anyway, you know, I've been doing this whole thing. A lot of math in your head. A lot of math, a lot of thought about this watch and- And then I am watching the episode.
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David Sedaris #5
And there's a scene. Yeah. There's a scene with the mother and the daughter. Have you got there? Yeah. Okay. We're basically the daughter who's been, she's there to become Buddhist. She wants to go to this monastery. She wants to live there for a year. Yes. And the mom says, you need to stay there for one night.
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David Sedaris #5
And she goes and she comes back and essentially, if you haven't watched this yet, maybe turn it off, but like- Or fast forward is what you want to do.
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David Sedaris #5
Or fast forward. She's crying because she just can't do it. She's crying because she's spoiled and she says she's so spoiled. But even the fact that she's a victim in that is also funny to me.
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David Sedaris #5
She was, but it is like, I don't know. She's getting comforted because she's so spoiled. She can't live in a modest, you know, I don't know. Anyway, she basically says like, I can't do it. And the mom is like, And she basically gives sort of a disgusting, but in some ways scarily viable reason for why they should be spending their money and living rich.
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David Sedaris #5
Yeah. Oh, and then there's, for me, the most poignant scene in the... Well, there's a few.
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David Sedaris #5
But it's all subconscious. It's murky. It is a I did good thing. But with the I did good comes subconsciously some on this hierarchy of humanity. Yeah. I have achieved a position that's fairly high up.
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David Sedaris #5
Also, what if your job is you go work at the nursing home? You did fucking good. Oh, yeah.
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David Sedaris #5
But they don't have money and Cartier watches to show for that.
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David Sedaris #5
They're all presentations. I mean, It's so depressing. Mike White says, you know, identity, what Buddhists believe identity is suffering. You know, that is what causes it. You're tied to your identity. Yeah. And yes, and it can cause pride.
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David Sedaris #5
Right, exactly. That's the whole point is nothing's... Nothing's fundamental. It's all based on where you are, who you are in that moment, what you believe in that moment, but could change at any second. But there is, I do think one thing that is, that is fundamental, which is love. Like that is part of this show, this series, but also the, um, season two, um,
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David Sedaris #5
Where, like, one of the characters has the most bizarre arc of the whole, I think, of anyone. Saxon, that character.
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David Sedaris #5
And very much tied to money and... Being a successful businessman, like his father.
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David Sedaris #5
And then, by the end, he, like... Two of the characters, he sees love for real.
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David Sedaris #5
Because he wants that. That's really what is all there is to have.
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David Sedaris #5
I mean, they're not going to... try to anti-age. No, they're gonna... Right. They're accepting that this is one... For them, one... One droplet out of the ocean and we come back to it. I do... I think it's a very beautiful idea that we come back and we find this, we find our people again.
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David Sedaris #5
I think I believe it. Like there are people in my life that I feel I've known.
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David Sedaris #5
I don't think, it's not a judgment. It's an acknowledgement that the way modern humans, mostly, not all, walk through the world is doing us a disservice. We are causing ourselves so much suffering in pursuit of pleasure. Yeah, yeah.
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David Sedaris #5
Right. But I guess they would say that's his identity. He doesn't have one. He's a person that did those things, right?
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David Sedaris #5
Right, yeah. I mean, I hear what you're saying, but I guess the goal, I think, is that you aren't doing any of that. You aren't doing that. You're not, like, saying my identity is that I help people, even that. Like, you don't put the labels on yourself because they're, as they would say, a prison. Your identity is a prison.
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David Sedaris #5
Whether it's a good cage, whether it's an admirable cage or not, it's still a constriction.
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David Sedaris #5
I'm not getting my watch. I am wearing another watch I have right now.
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David Sedaris #5
It's not a, I mean, yeah, we brought in material items and things, but it's just about the treadmill. The treadmill every person is on.
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David Sedaris #5
no real satisfaction that we're all doing that wherever you are on this ladder.
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David Sedaris #5
And I'm not buying that watch, I'll tell you that.
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David Sedaris #5
Well, no, if you are truly committed to Buddhism. Yeah. There isn't a goal. You are there. You you are present. That's the goal. Like it's not. I agree. Even enlightenment isn't.
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David Sedaris #5
Well, I'm going to try. I don't know. It's just a lot. Like, it's hard to look around. It's hard to have this sense of, like, that's correct. Like, I think that's correct that our identities are prisons. Yeah. Yet I have constructed a hard identity for myself and I know that.
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David Sedaris #5
And so to carry both, like to know I'm doing a thing that I know.
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David Sedaris #5
I'm participating in a thing that I actually know is not the ideal way.
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David Sedaris #5
That's like a hard thing for me currently today to reconcile. Yeah.
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David Sedaris #5
You couldn't sell liquor on Sunday in North Carolina until... I wonder, it might have to do with the hub of the plane. Delta is an Atlanta plane. And I think you can drink there now on Sundays or buy liquor. But at one point you couldn't. So maybe you wouldn't be able to on that plane. But on United, you could.
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David Sedaris #5
Yeah. Or be like truly Buddhist. I don't. So, yeah. Everyone who believes, not everyone, but most people who believe any of this is, you are combining it with the reality of, especially in this country, with our world, you know, with our.
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David Sedaris #5
Okay. Now, was there a time where you couldn't order a drink on an airplane? Cause it's Sunday. Yeah. No. I mean, maybe at some point you couldn't drink at all, obviously, on planes. But state laws regarding alcohol sales, such as blue laws, do not apply to alcoholic beverages sold on airplanes, even if the state has such laws.
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David Sedaris #5
Airlines are subject to federal regulations regarding the sale of alcohol, which generally supersedes state laws.
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David Sedaris #5
Well, weed is different unless they're eating it. Yeah. Like, you wouldn't want the smoke.
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David Sedaris #5
Well, a legal drug. I'll probably not allow. Yeah.
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David Sedaris #5
I don't think so. The priest dress is... A cassock, Catholic cassock or cassock. It has 33 buttons representing the years of Jesus's life. Anglican cassocks may have 39 buttons symbolizing the 39 articles of religion.
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David Sedaris #5
I know. I brought everyone one of the books, the book, the children's book, The Story of the Little Mole Who Went in Search of Whodunit. This is the story about the poop on the head. I got one for you too, Rob.
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David Sedaris #5
And on the back, it says, when little mole looks out of his hole one morning, plop, something lands on his head. Whodunit.
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David Sedaris #5
Oh, yeah, I want a burger. I think I'm going to have a burger tonight. Oh, burger? But it's like so indulgent to eat burgers.
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David Sedaris #5
I know. I'm going to New York on Friday. Be a Buddhist when you get home. Where I really indulge there.
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David Sedaris #5
Yeah. Okay. Oh, I had to bring this up because he talks about diversity in kids' books. And so I have completed the studio since we last spoke or since we interviewed Seth.
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David Sedaris #5
I loved it so much. Yeah. So I, you know, my privilege, the Buddhists wouldn't like this, but my privilege that I had access, we had access to all, we had to the screeners, but I couldn't get in to the screeners beforehand. It's always impossible to get. So I was like, whatever, I'll just watch it when it comes out.
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David Sedaris #5
And so the first two episodes came out and I watched it and immediately I was like, we got to figure this out. Yeah. Asap? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I have to watch all of it. I watched it all one day. Oh, great. I was obsessed with it. It's so good.
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David Sedaris #5
It's so... But... Buddhism. Oh, no. Buddhism's my new The Pit.
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David Sedaris #5
He was, he was. Well, in the show, he's wearing a hoodie, so you can't see his body, really.
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David Sedaris #5
Yeah, he has. He's really become quite masculine. His neck is thicker.
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David Sedaris #5
Yes, yes, I do. I am so attracted to him. Yeah, that's him. That's him on Friends.
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David Sedaris #5
I think he would kind of know how to do it. Okay. I know you're mad about that.
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David Sedaris #5
Yeah, something happened. Oh, remember I told you I had an earring in recently and it was hard to get out.
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David Sedaris #5
I love that he loves the pet. Yeah. People love it. It's like really gotten huge.
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David Sedaris #5
Right. But it was, I was going to say something. Oh, yeah. Okay. So the studio. So there's an episode in the studio about diversity, about casting.
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David Sedaris #5
Oh, my God. I was laughing so hard. So hard. And also, like, because they each individually have the realization that something is potentially racist. And you see them all have the realization at different times. And it is, oh, my God. It is brilliant. It is chef's kiss.
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David Sedaris #5
Highly recommend the studio. Okay. Now, how many cows does an average meat eater eat in a lifetime? Okay? Okay. The average American consumes approximately 174 animals per year, including 23 chickens, a third of a pig, a tenth of a cow, three quarters of a turkey, and smaller amounts of other animals like fish and shellfish. This translates to roughly 11 cows over a lifetime.
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David Sedaris #5
Oh, yeah, maybe that counts. Maybe that counts. Okay, is piles the old word for hemorrhoids? Yes. Swollen inflamed veins in the lower rectum and anus.
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David Sedaris #5
Oh, my God. Yeah. Whoa. They can be internal or external.
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David Sedaris #5
I know. It's getting to him. He has a... I won't tell you.
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David Sedaris #5
Oh, yeah, he brought us... We have postcards, but I didn't bring mine.
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David Sedaris #5
There's an important piece to this, which all that happens, Dex is being very aggressive. And look, I hate that guy. That's annoying that he's behaving that way. But I'm more concerned about his behavior than I am about this stranger.
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David Sedaris #5
Yeah. And you know better. Why cause even more chaos? Yeah.
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David Sedaris #5
Anywho, so then he causes this ruckus. He sits down. And a few minutes later, the guy turns around. We were at South by Southwest. Dax hosted a panel. This guy turns around. Hey, I saw you last night doing the panel. You were so great. Like, he was so nice to him.
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David Sedaris #5
And then also, worse, then we had to Google who he was.
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Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
Well, I think that's everyone. With WebMD, everyone's an expert now on every single thing that's wrong with them. And you just go immediate to panic. I do panic a lot.
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Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
I also think of stress as being a good indicator. If I'm feeling the physicality of stress or anxiety, it makes me think what's going on in my life that is causing it to then address that. If you look at it as, oh, it's actually telling me something, then I think that's a smart way of embracing stress and saying like, oh, actually, so I need to look at what's going on.
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Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
And we think each thought is equal, that one thought is as relevant as I love you thoughts. And they're not. Some are not true. Thoughts aren't true inherently.
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Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
You know, somebody made an Instagram post
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Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
Or continuing to reward your neighbor. I feel like I've tried and learned some helpful tips with boundaries. These are all boundaries conversations, like how to implement them with kindness. But I think putting it on me sometimes saying, I'm not going to be my best self if we do this. And then that's going to affect you. It's like, I don't want you to stay. It's I know that I will be overwhelmed.
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Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
We both don't have that much trouble with that.
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Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
There's still a way to do it without being like, you can't come because I'll be, I'm mad.
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Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
I hate that smell. Yeah, you can still be kind about it. Some people think you're just hurting their feelings and that's mean. There's a middle ground.
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Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
Yes. Hermium's Instagram, his own Instagram.
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Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
I've reverted back, get that calcium.
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Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
I used to think it affected my skin. It didn't affect either way, so I went back. And I like it. Love it.
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Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
I have not tried that. My therapist, she told me to like name three things you see, name three things you smell, you know, anchor down, name touch things. And that helped. I haven't had one in a really long time.
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Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
Well, also knowing what it is, I think that's so helpful to straw because then when you're in a panic attack, you're like, oh, this is what is happening. I practice this. Yeah. For so long, I was like, I have a tumor. I definitely have a brain disorder that's causing all of this. Whenever I went to the doctor, they were like, You don't.
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Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
Yeah, they're like, I think you should go to therapy. And when I finally started to believe that and when it would happen, I was like, oh, I'm panicking. I'm having a panic attack. I'm not dying. No one's ever died from a panic attack. Then it went away. Yeah.
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Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
Because you're the most emotional, right? Or no?
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Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
Yeah. Really, everything is okay because what other option is there? Think good and it'll be good.
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Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
That is what is helpful. I know it's like, okay, we're going to come, we're going to record. It will be fine because we'll put that aside for this. And we did. And then it is fine.
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Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
At some point you just say like, who cares? I kind of forget all the details of the thing I wanted to bring up anyway.
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Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
Well, it's also just an alchemy of everyone's things coming together.
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Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
Well, I think it detaches the primal brain of when you're writing it down sort of objectively. You're also half removed.
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Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
I like what you said that our bodies are a walking pharmacy. We have tools with us. We don't have to look outward. I mean, we can, but we can look inward too.
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Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
I was just in the house and our friend Anna, she had borrowed a sweater for me. It's blue and it's from Quince. It's gorgeous and it fits so well. And when she was wearing it, I was like, I want it back.
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Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
Respiratory issues. I've been masking outside. Uh-huh. So I've been fine. I've been... I mean, I've had headaches, but other than that... Yeah, headaches, same.
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Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
It's so COVID-y. Yeah. Yeah, I was just editing our last fact check, which was... Sounds naive, probably. Tuesday, yeah. It was Wednesday morning. And so much has happened since then. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. 130,000 people have evacuated. Yeah. There's something like 9,000 structures are decimated.
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Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
Oh, they already said it's eight times more.
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Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
Well, not dollars. Sorry. They're saying space.
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Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
Yeah. There's that also that picture going around of Manhattan. It's like all of Manhattan. Yeah. Is 14,000 acres.
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Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
It's also crazy that I'm like, oh, my God. Yay. It's 3% contained. Yeah. It's Friday and the Eaton Fire is 3% contained, which is the first time I've seen any containment on it. The Eaton Fire, the one that's on the east side of the city, is at 13,956 acres. And Palisades is 20,000. 20,000 acres in the Palisades. We have people staying with us as we had in COVID. Right.
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Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
I know. When I was pulling out the masks, I was like, oh, my God. I cannot believe I have to put this back on my face. The feelings are really intense. Wild around. I still don't have power.
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Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
It's inconvenient. It's not bad compared to what's going on. Yeah.
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Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
Yeah, it's right at my intersection. Right. So, but they've been working through the night, last two nights, trying to get it back.
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Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
Yeah, it's been interesting for me because I'm by myself and normally I'm not. And it has been weird to... You've been invited over, we should say. Yes, I have. I'm by myself and so I have taken on all the roles. Uh-huh.
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Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
Yeah, I have to be scared. Like, I can't wait for somebody else to be like, okay, it's time to evacuate. Like, I have to decide. And I think normally I am in that sort of case. Like, I'll let somebody else make that decision. I think they're better at making that decision than me. Uh-huh. But what do I take? At first I was like, I don't even know what you're supposed to take.
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Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
Like the last time we talked, I was like, oh, I just I just put my passport in my medicine, which also that was great. I had one day left of seizure medication and then my pharmacy was down because of the power. So I was like, oh, my God, what am I going to do about that? And anyway, but then then I really thought about it and I was like, no, I got to like I took all these photographs I have. Yeah.
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Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
There's this little like drawing Delta made. I put that in there. And then that was it. But I really was like, what matters here for real? Like I probably have to go. Like what really matters? And it was those things. And it's just such a, it's so heady to have to think about that. Like, what do you really need? What will you be like? Did you see the thing John Mayer posted?
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Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
I thought it was so well articulated.
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Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
You should take your dad's, like something of your dad's probably.
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Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
But I was just like... I mean, it's panicky.
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Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
So John Mayer posted... A picture of a picture. And he said, this is the most valuable thing I own. It's a folder of photos of my father spanning his life from being a baby, an educator, a husband and a father. It's the only evidence of his life that will exist over time. These are the, quote, documents you read about people taking from their homes.
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Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
When you hear someone say they've lost everything in a fire, this is much of that everything, if not all of it. Those who say they'll be okay still have their folders and their albums. Those who are inconsolable have lost them. Just behind the immeasurable loss of life is the loss of the proof of life. I don't practice prayer, but tonight I will say one for everyone who no longer has these items.
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Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
It's not about the art and the collectibles. It's the photos, the letters, the class rings, the eyeglasses, and the things we keep to remind us that those we loved were here. May those who have lost so much find some semblance of hope and support from their family and friends.
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Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
Stay safe, look out for yourself and for one another, and trust that humanity and all it entails, though sometimes hard to see, is alive and well. This is truly devastating. And I do think that's right. It's like, oh, all this stuff is just stuff, but it is more than stuff. It's evidence of life.
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Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
It's really intense. There are weird things. My friend was just saying that her friend's house is the only one standing. Like how weird.
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Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
Well, yeah. I mean, I don't want I don't know how much you want to say, but I think we can. It's it's it's it's real. Yeah. The reason I didn't come over, and I do really appreciate the offer, of course, but I think me and you aren't always the most compatible in these situations. We ignite each other's worst parts.
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Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
But other people are different that I think you... I don't know. And same for me with you. There's something specific about us that... We get really worked up when the other person doesn't align.
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Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
The Hansons did that. They hosed down their house when they, because there was one popped up in Studio City, like right by them.
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Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
The sunset one that was really close to us.
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Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
And then this one in Studio City, like, felt really weird because the winds were pretty much,
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
But even the Runyon Canyon one felt weird. It was like, what?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
Yeah, but it tends to be the way it goes in these scenarios, so it's important to be prepared for all of it. It's so annoying because in The Holiday, the movie The Holiday, there's this, like, cutesy moment where Jack Black is meeting Kate Winslet and, like... It's like something that kind of gets in her eye and he picks it out of her eye. And it's just like very rom-com-y moment.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
He's like Santa Ana's. He's like explaining to her about the Santa Ana's and it's like really cute.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
I can't watch that anymore. can't watch it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
Yeah, I saw it. There was a video of him hosing.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
It is. Also, it gets problematic when you only surround yourself with like one type of person or people exactly like you, which is easy to do. But it's it is not. I mean, for many reasons, it is not best. Like you need a diverse audience. Group, you know, obviously not like, I mean, yes, racially, socioeconomically, skill-wise, you need a diverse group.
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Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
Not even close. I mean, if anything, this was so, it's like, we do live in this city of sparkles and money and status and fame. And it can burn down in a night. Like, it is humbling and beautiful.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
Which is so nice to have a treat and... I have to resist eating too many nighttimes because they're so delicious. I know. Don't eat too many.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
Okay, a couple facts. Okay, so for Jenny, Laird Hamilton's Creamer.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
You asked if it was mushroom-based. It is mushroom-based. Clean, plant-based alternative to your dairy and sugar coffee creamers. Made with reishi mushrooms.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
Weird. Well, it's in this creamer. Maybe it's good.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
Okay, Bellevue. Bellevue. It came up again, which is interesting because it came up on Monday's episode with Josh Brolin. He said his aunt was at Bellevue. Yeah. It's a hospital in New York, oldest public hospital.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
Oh, that's interesting. I don't know the first time I heard it, but Seinfeld wasn't my show. Right. I don't remember them saying it on Friends.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
Missed opportunity. Jim Carrey, SNL, What is Love is funny.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
It's funny. It's on YouTube. You can check it out. We're also on YouTube. We are on YouTube. Check us out on YouTube. We're there.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
People really liked the underwear clip.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
The fact check clip of me daydreaming.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
Yeah, that was a fun one. Oh, I think this is worth saying. When I was editing this, I sort of had the realization because my friend had hiccups at the time, chronic hiccups, which he sometimes gets and you've also had. And we've talked about it and someone sent you lollipops. What were they called again?
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Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
Well, yeah. I mean, the thing is, when you're around someone who's constantly hiccuping and it's wild, like it's really kind of scary and it won't stop. He was trying to do everything to get him to stop. And you'll do anything, you know, you do. This other person was like, you know, you have to like turn upside down and like do the drinking the water.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
And he was like, OK, you know, he's like, you're trying everything. It's stupid. Like none of these things really are going to work for us.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
You will, but we don't do it for our brains. We could be doing, like, you'll do anything to stop hiccups, but anxiety and depression and these things that are- Rumination. Exactly, rumination. These are the real taxing things. We're just like, I guess I just have this.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
Yeah, and you don't have to. You can do these things and it can help.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
Body scans are great. Tara Brock. If you have Wondery Plus, if you have Wondery Plus, you heard us do these facts already and- We tried to get through a part that was very hard to get through with me saying Tara Brock a lot of times. It was out of the underwear, out of the pants again. Yeah, it was. But Tara Brock is a great, she has a great podcast and a lot of great meditations.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
And she walks you through body scans and it's helpful. I like it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
I forgot he was in Lady Bird. Yes. Oh, my God. I forgot. Oh, yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
You know he's in Call Me By Your Name. I haven't seen that. Oh my God.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
Okay. So actually I've been wanting.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
OK, I've actually been wanting to talk about this, but obviously the fires and it did not take precedent. But I have a lot of thoughts.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
Roasting in general is one thing. Yeah. And then this is adjacent.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
Yeah. Yeah. But like, why do we still do it? Why are we doing this? Why are we roasting? It is so- Well- It's hard to have this conversation because I sound like very Pollyanna or like I'm I'm I'm so I'm so against meanness. Yeah. I don't mean to come off like that, but like I do. It's true. Why be mean as a job?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
You knew that while you were sitting there.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
Because I don't, what else could you do? That's nice. No, some people don't. They don't.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
I think it's nice to play along. But I also, like, I thought that when Joe Coy did his thing, no one laughed. played along except Bradley. And I thought that was very big of him.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
And I remember thinking like, oh, well, good for him. He's playing along. No one else is doing this. I think it's the only move. But also I kind of get it. But I get it. You're like, why do I have to pretend this is funny? You're making fun of me.
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Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
I don't. I don't. I'm not, again, not to sound like I'm above everyone, but I don't understand that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
I cannot relate to being happy that that bad things are happening, even to people who are obviously doing great and doing much better. Why? Why would I want bad things to happen to people?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
Yeah, I feel like saying I'm stopping therapy, it feels like arrogant to say that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
It just seems so unnecessary. I don't know. Before the show started, I was like, very skeptical of what the monologue was going to be. I don't like mean jokes for no reason. I thought, I mean, she is funny. She's really, really funny. She is really funny. And a good writer. Yeah. And there were a couple that I thought were so good. Mm-hmm. The two fingers up for baby girl.
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Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
For me, the best one was, oh, celebrities can do anything except get the country to vote a certain way. Like that was so good. Like making fun of the group, the institution is good, but it's the singling out.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
And you see them, their eyes are so wide. Like Selena Gomez, like she was just like, I felt, I was like, oh, this is so...
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
I need to watch that show. I'm like very that at TV. I wonder what you'd think though, coming from inside.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
It did not used to be this crazy. But anyway. So I already was going in. Jess loves Nikki. Yeah, yeah. He's been following her for years. He thinks she's great and was really excited to see it. And we know we had a lot of conversations before this. It's triggering for me.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
And then she was on a Vogue podcast before she did. She went on and she said she doesn't like it. She can't really take the jokes about her. And I was like, yeah, what the fuck? Fuck. Like, what is this?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
Anyway, so then she did it. We all watched it together. And I was kind of like, you know, again, I think she is very talented. Yeah. But overall, that's hard for me to watch minus those more global jokes. And then the next day, someone sent it to me, the Howard thing. And we were already sort of in a thing. Me and you were already sort of in a thing that day.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
Someone was like, did you see the joke about Dax? And I was like, what? And then I watched it and I also was like so scared it was going to be so mean.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
I didn't know what it could be, but I was just like, this is going to be bad. And then it wasn't. And then I too was like, oh, that's really not a big deal. Also, it's not true. And I said... Oh, my God. I hope he never sees this because he already doesn't ask anyone.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
And it's really fucking annoying. It's annoying that you don't like it's to a fault. And I was like, if he sees this, he's never going to ask anyone ever again to come on. And that's hard. That's bad.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
I sent it to Jess and I said... Cool. Period. And he was like, and he was like, no, I get it. He was like, I get it. It's funny until it's you. And I was like, exactly. That's the whole thing. And anyway, but that was that, I guess. But I was very, I was very defensive.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
Maybe I'm extra sensitive to it because I think there's already too much hatred out there right now or in the last at least like... eight to 12 years.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
I don't think it's symptomatic. I think it, it runs the risk of making it worse. I'm like, we're already, it's already bad. Like don't add, don't add meanness. Like it's, it's not a good time for that. It's, it's a time to add kindness. And I understand that's not like fun for an award show, but, uh, I just, I don't, it sucks out there. Like people are so mean to each other.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
And even this with the fires, like people are saying such horrible stuff.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
The rich people, they have other homes they can go to.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
I think it's extreme to have these thoughts.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
Right, exactly. But also that's, to me, that's slightly different because those are choices. These aren't choices. Like, I think, I mean, that's still bad.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
And you'd probably also have your own ideas about the couple's and how you might want to talk to them. I don't do couples therapy, so that on its own is super fascinating.
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Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
That's true, but then there's hurricanes, there's this, there's that. But I guess that's my whole point is maybe some people, here would be like, well, hurricanes, like... I guess I don't really care about you, Florida. But it's all bad. It's like, it's all bad. Everyone should have compassion and help. And most people do. I mean, I've gotten so many sweet like check-ins, random check-ins.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
And also like, where can I donate? What do you know? Like on the ground here, what's going on? Whatever. It's very kind, mostly. But then there's just people who I'm just shocked by.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
Well, I guess that was another thing people were saying, like the Globes joke about God's zero, which that was hilarious. I didn't see that. Like Mario Lopez, it was the count of... who people had thanked.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
Yeah, it was like, there's Mario Lopez one, God zero.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
And then people were like, see, that happened. And now it's like... God's mad that no one thanked him.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
It's hard to be made fun of. It's hard to be made fun of. It just is.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
This was helpful. I think this is a great one for the top of the year.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
Yeah. Yeah. And that's it for Jenny.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
It's very generous of you. And I agree.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
She's also... She's a Swifty. She's a major Swifty.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
She's been to like, she went to like a million of the shows.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
That's how I, when I saw it, I was like, guess who's not coming on our show ever.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
Yeah. Well, we could. Anyway. All right.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jenny Taitz (on stress resets)
Get people in a routine. I feel like when we're overwhelmed now, we turn to a lot of outward sources to help us. And this was very encouraging that you can look, you can turn inward.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
Yeah, me, me. I bring it up a lot to Dax's chagrin.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
You mean like dead teenagers? Dead teenagers, yes.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
She said, this is for Peababy part two, for this space.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
That is a real listener, a real armchair. It's so cute.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
Of course. Oh, wow. That's so perfect for us.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
It's so sad to me. He knew, though, something was wrong. He knew something was wrong.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
Why can't we look at the brain while the person's living?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
I feel like scan technology has gotten so good and like fMRI, but no, we're not there.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
And I did hear once, maybe it's sort of the opposite of what you're saying, that you think if you haven't gone to the NFL that you're in the clear, but you may have started in rec league. You may have started when you were five years old. And so you've still had a long time playing.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
No, if my brain could be of any help, why wouldn't I?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
Yeah, because you can't because of aerodynamics. But I know, I know, I know.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
I know. But even more than stunts, you're tumbling and you fall all the time. I fell on my head so many times trying to do a backflip. Just learning, you fall.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
I mean, what are they going to do with your brain?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
Okay, so you... Such a weird thing you just said with no context.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
Also, if there's just a regulation that that can't happen until you're 14, then everyone is still starting on the same playing field.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
Well, also because probably you don't start those jobs until you're older.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
I think for some reason, hearing that it's connected to the brain, that really scares people, obviously. But like you said, it's still a matter of just treating the symptoms, though. And you should, especially if you know it's something happening in your brain, then you can't just think your way out of it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
Yeah. I've been thrilled. Thrilled to have Chris Nowinski on. I've been wanting to have someone on to talk about CTE for a long time.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
Well, that's a ding ding ding that comes up in.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
Yeah, but it is... I think it's more nerve... Yeah, it's nerve pain. And then for a percentage of people, it never goes away. Oh, okay. I know.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
I mean, no one on the football team was in my AP class. This is for real.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
Pharmacist, yeah. Yeah, she's so nice. Maybe people will remember if they've listened for a long time. Her and I had a beef originally. What was that about? We had a beef when she used to work at Rite Aid. Yes. And I had to pick up a prescription for Kristen and she wouldn't let me get it on her behalf. And there was a hold to do and we were in a beef. Sure. But then we...
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
Made up, and now she's one of my favorite people. I love her.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
Sure. So I went to Delta's play. It was at 1 p.m.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
It was Alice in Wonderland. She was Tweedledee of Tweedledee and Tweedledum.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
And, yeah, well, we've discussed sometimes. We've discussed the plays at your kids' school.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
And it's no shade, but it is shade. That's why, like, there's no way to talk. It's not shade.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
Well, I did walk out and there was a man talking to his daughter. who obviously had gone to that school, and he was like, I don't remember yours being this bad. So I'm just saying, they're all like this, but yes, there's always technical difficulties.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
A lot of memorization issues, which that, yes, that I can... I thought that's what you were referring to. No.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
The like... The play itself, the sound, the mic's not being on for this and that, the light being here when it should be there. Like, it's a mess. Yeah. And it is very funny and fun to go and see.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
Yeah, she's breaking the fourth wall a lot.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
Yes, that's not what happened. She was already in. They were in the dance. She was in a position where she was sort of squatting. She wasn't getting down. She was like down and she was doing her move. And then she just like looked up at us and gave us a little. I don't remember it being like nasty, but Kristen and Lincoln think it was nasty.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
Yeah, me and Anna, I think. She was like to both of us, like a little like, hey, I see you.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
And I was really happy she did that because I will say it was the first time. As soon as she came out.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
She, um, it was a dance thing or a song and Kristen was filming the whole time, you know, she was filming and, and Lincoln was cheering really, really, really, really loudly.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
And Delta like looked over at us and just like shook her head too loud. It was just like an overall, like shaking her head. And I was like, Oh, she's mad. And we just started, we just started the plane. She's not happy.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
Exactly. Exactly. And so then every time she came out, she was clearly like, she was pretty annoyed by the way like this play was going. And so then later when she did that like winky thing to me and Ana, I was like, oh, maybe it's lifted. Maybe she's happy now. Now she's having fun. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
But yes, she came out. She had like, they had this big scene and Lincoln was cheering again, like really loud, but also like screaming her name.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
Delta said... The song isn't even over yet. And then they did their thing, but then something happened with the mic, the mic. And so she was upset about that. I think she said, this sucks out loud.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
I think it was her. But also in, while she was still on stage, there was a snafu with like a mic situation. And then she was like, she got upset about that. And then she did say, she did say like, no, you're supposed to say this. You know, there was a lot of people saying, no, now you say this. Now you say this, you say this. There's a lot of that going on.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
It was really funny. It was really, really funny.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
Also for this play specifically, I guess not enough people signed up. So they opened it up to like the young, young kids. So there were some really small kids involved.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
Yeah, the wolf was so cute. So cute. I know.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
Right. That's okay. So this is where, this is where I have some trouble. Okay. Yeah. And I get it. This is like a school play. No one's really, I guess they are picking, but not really. They're not really picking. They're just like doing it. So the level of commitment is so varied.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
And I think my sense of justice sometimes starts flaring up.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
Because I think... Look at this kid. This kid is here to perform.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
They practiced. They're memorized. They're off book. And, like, then... There are other people who haven't done anything clearly.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
And they're ruining the play for these other people who have put in a lot of work. And, you know.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
Yeah, but when I was in fifth grade, we had a play.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
And we did have to, like, kind of audition for it in the way that they're doing the same thing. And it was, like, this weird mashup of Hamlet, Romeo and Juliet, and Taming of the Shrew, okay?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
Um, I didn't want to be an actor at that point. I didn't know anything about that, but I auditioned and I got the part of the haberdasher. Okay.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
Someone who sells stuff. Yeah. And she, it was not a good part. And it was, I had one line.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
Um, and I was very shy. Like I was so shy at that time, but I like the amount of times I practiced that one line, it had nothing to do with wanting to be an actor. It was just like,
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
I just knew, like, this requires commitment.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
And I nailed it. Here is the hat your worship ordered is the line. I'll never forget it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
I presented the hat. Here is the hat your worship ordered.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
And so, but that also for me, a tiny bit, I was like, Delta, don't do that because you're good. This is cute and good. Like the Tweedledee Tweedledum back and forth is a real like kind of tongue twister. Yeah, and they nailed it. And they nailed it. And it was really good and impressive. And I was like, oh, man, like, I wish we hadn't had that. I mean, it was funny for me. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
And I liked it because, you know, I just enjoy any time she's doing anything. But I was like, like, it did take away from a very impressive thing that these two little girls were doing together.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
Yeah, yeah. She was so cute in her little makeup and her outfit. Ugh.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
It was hard. Yes. That's what I picked. I was like, this is fast and tricky because they're getting names wrong.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
And I was like, that's really good. And I wasn't surprised. I was like, no wonder she... Got that part because she is able to hold a lot in her. No, I don't know if any of these other, I mean, whatever. Maybe they could. But like seeing what was going on with people not being able to memorize like very basic.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
If you can't get that, you can't do what they did.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
I love her, too. so much and it's not it wasn't like oh she shouldn't do that it was like oh she doesn't have to do that right she's just good enough right like she's good enough they were good and like it didn't and oh I guess also for me I was like I was like don't let your don't let your sister get in your head, rattle you. Exactly.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
It was like, now you're rattled and now you're doing this and you're in the middle of like a really cute thing that you're doing that you know how to do well. That's impressive. Don't let the emotion interfere here.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
Yes, it was so fun. I'm glad I went to that one and I didn't go to the five.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
Let's say your kid's in soccer. I guess Lincoln was in soccer.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
She was in soccer, but everyone was kind of Not very good.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
Which we love. But, like, let's say you're watching her. And this is probably just my personality and how I grew up, how my parents parented. Right. If Lincoln—if you're watching and she's, like, good, like, really good.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
But— Something's happening that's not allowing her to like...
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
Realize her goals and her potential. Do you think it's good, bad, or just personal, I guess, to say it to them?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
Yeah, that makes sense. That makes sense. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
Everyone has different beliefs about the world. And then I guess you're just imparting it on your kids. So like each kid is going to get a different thing.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
Well, it's not unfair. No, no, no. I don't think that's the problem. The problem is if you do care, right? Like if... if she's like, I really want to be good at soccer, and then she isn't practicing, right? Like, I think that is something... To say, right?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
Yes. Or if you're on the field and there's like an issue, you have an issue. There's like a thing you're not good at.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
I think it is okay to say, hey, let's work on this because this is where we have like trouble. If you want to be good. Yes. If you're there to just run around and who cares?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
Your thing is bravery. And I think my thing is like commitment.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
Well, you don't think so when you're in Costco and you're trying to get your scene done and somebody's fucking around and it's interfering with you.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
Yeah. It's the same theory. It's the same idea that this person's like, I'm here to have fun in this life.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
We're all on both sides of it at different times.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
Oh, my gosh. I guess it's a ding, ding, ding because this is for Chris Nowinski and we were talking about soccer.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
Wildflower Bakery in Freestone. We were coming back from visiting some friends and they said the bread there was great. And it was.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
Wow. Okay, so I said that no one on the football team was in my AP classes, and that's not true. There was at least one, Doug Sellers, shout out. I remembered him after the fact, and there might have been more. I don't know. When was Tough Enough the TV show on and how many seasons of Real World had there been? There are six seasons starting in 2001. And the first episode of Real World was in 92.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
Yeah, so it was in its 10th season when Tough Enough started.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
Okay, how many people currently play high school football in the United States? In the 23-24 school year, over 1 million high school students in the U.S. participated in 11-player football. This number includes 99% boys. For boys, it is the most popular high school sport with over a million players.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
Was it culture shocky at Harvard? I mean, I guess you're around Northwestern.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
It is hard, though, because you aren't playing, like, the best.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
Does that make sense? Yeah. You think you can't, like— Make the shot when it counts.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
Yeah. Did you hear Skype is done? What? Skype.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
I know, but it's just like, I feel so bad for Skype. They really shit the bed.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
It was there. It was there. It could have been.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
Yeah, I just feel like the story of Skype is a sad one. They were in leading position to take the pandemic, and they didn't. They let this, like, this little, like, rando.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
Yeah, I mean, there was so, at the beginning of the pandemic, it was, we were saying, like, we'll Skype you now, we'll Skype you, but we were using Zoom. Right. Like, the verb was Skype.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
I guess it's an underdog story, too, which we like.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
Um, okay. The percentage of high school football footballers who make it to the NFL.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
Right. Okay. A tiny fraction of high school football players, roughly 0.023% make it to the NFL. This means that for every thousand high school football players, 23 will, about 23 will eventually play in the NFL. Which I thought was kind of like a lot. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
It definitely includes 9 through 12. Okay. And then 9, 10, 11 obviously aren't drafted.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
Yeah. I think that might be it for Chris. I loved this episode, obviously.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
It's a very important topic, and I'm glad we covered it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
Well, that would be Anna Wintour. This is like, what's your car? Like, what do you care is being talked about that's not being talked about?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
Yeah, oh my God. What's the timing crossover?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So Chris, and he was very cool and nice.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
Yeah, very cool. All right. All right. Love you.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
I hope so. It got a season two. It's like rushing a season two.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
Yeah, but there's always romance, even when there's money involved.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
When you're 21, you're going to make $450,000.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chris Nowinski (on CTE)
You said it. You're the one that said it out loud.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Do we think this was a backlash, though, to many, many, many years of the opposite groups having to say silence is safer? Like marginalized groups have had to say silence is safer since the beginning of time. And so when it became easier or when it became like, oh, you feel like that, too? Oh, you feel like that, too? Let's start speaking up. It was still a retaliation to that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Yes. New days for us then.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
We started in 2018.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
At 24, I lost my narrative, or rather it was stolen from me. And the Monica Lewinsky that my friends and family knew was usurped by false narratives, callous jokes, and politics. I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
So I think listeners can expect me to be chatting with folks, both recognizable and unrecognizable names about the way that people have navigated roads to triumph. My hope is that people will finish an episode of Reclaiming and feel like they filled their tank up. They connected with the people that I'm talking to and leave with maybe some nuggets that help them feel a little more hopeful.
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Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Follow Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to Reclaiming early and ad-free right now by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
It's such a big group. I think it's too big.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Gen Z and below or just that one? And below.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
We're all doing it, but I guess our brains have developed before. That's right.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Well, circling back to ADHD, the attention fragmentation is that. So is it ADHD or is it this? It's just that we're so addicted to these things.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
I mean, yes, of course. No, that's horrific. You're void of any moral and humanity feelings. You must be a sociopath. But then... Yes, keep going.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Well, yeah. Then what really happens is then the next day, you are anticipating the first drink.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
It's all about then just getting the drink is you're living in that dopamine dump.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
But then, I guess, although just because it tastes good.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Exactly. It's also depressing to be so bored. If you're living in a deficit and everything's boring and there's nothing exciting, that is depression.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
We could maybe hook you up with that guy. Because if you had said they heard it was good for them, that would actually make it much more palatable.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
The Tourette's one.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Because to me, that's different. And like, oh, they might need.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Exactly. Oh, I see. So it's actually perfect that they just want to try the taste of it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
I mean, it's literally the first thing our parents told us, don't talk to strangers. And now these kids are just out there literally talking to strangers.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
De-stigmatization.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Yeah, that's a similar thing. So going back to the way, way beginning when we're talking about race relations over time, it definitely has progressed. Mental health awareness has progressed a ton over time, but it's still like if you're in it, you can tell the slight difference, right? What do you mean? If you use the race, for me, I was born in 87.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
It was definitely better than when my mom arrived, but I had to blend in and I wasn't really like, oh, I need to be talking about being Indian.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Silence was better, really. And I'm young-ish. So you can look at it overall and say it's gotten better. But there are nuances when you're in it. And same with mental health. It overall has progressed. But now with the Internet, it's like we can all talk about it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Yeah, yeah, that's true.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
I agree with that, yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Well, because we had first heard him on Sam Harris's podcast.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
And I agree with that. I think what some people who are listening or watching might be like, why aren't you saying this part? It's just the truth. And this is fine. But normally it is one type of person who is saying that loudly. And it is often a white, tall, smart, very articulate, educated person.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
But I agree. We have made great progress. But I think it's easier if you're not one of those people to say, and it's not as easy as saying that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
I don't want to say it still sucks.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Can they text? Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
But part of it is liability. I used to babysit. I was so nervous for these kids. But for me, I got fired from a job, not them, but before, because I wouldn't let the kid go down the banister.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
So you love them.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
But also... No, I am not prepared to take this kid to the hospital and face a repercussion. I'm a babysitter, you know? So part of it is there's so much liability in camps and stuff and they don't want to get sued. And these are realities too.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
If my mom were here, she would make sure that this got said because I was home and we were watching that documentary about the girl who got kidnapped. And the parents were at the dinner just close by, but the daughter was in the hotel room.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
I don't remember this.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
It was like a big it was in Europe. They left the kids in the hotel room. They went to dinner at the resort. And then she got kidnapped or she's gone and they never found her. And so I was watching this with my mom and she was like, why'd they do that? Why'd they go to the restaurant? I went out and played by myself all the time. I think she forgot. It's been a long time.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
But she was like, the risk isn't worth it. And that's what a lot of people would say.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Yeah, but my mom is acting out of gut.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
I think it's less amoral to do that than eat the dog because of the relationship.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Because they're not with other people. They're not doing anything.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
You're afraid of extremes in general.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
When the TikTok ban was happening.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
I know, I was like, oh my God, good.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Yeah, I was like, go ahead, take them all. Take Instagram, take them.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
The book is huge. I mean, it's on every list I see. It was on Bill's list.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
No, so I have a Word. I keep them in Word.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
But it's not there.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Well, they have Word for Mac. I don't know because I didn't have to download it for this newer laptop.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Oh, you did. Okay, got it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
It's all the same.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
I don't like it. It's great. Okay. But I prefer to have something I don't have to log into if I lose a password. This has happened multiple times.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Where I get locked out, then I can't access the docs or any of these things.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Yeah, so tell, what's the deal?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
So do you only get the tip?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Well, they might have to take breaks.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Well, even when I order here, I tell them leave it at the gate.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
I am worried, but not worried enough to- To deal with meeting the person? Yeah. That's fun. It is. That's very fun. Cool. Well, I have good news. I have an update. My cholesterol is down. What?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
I don't know. We're going to talk about it, but Dr. Richard Isaacson, our friend who we- Our savior, our Lord and savior. Yes. We did another round of blood draw.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
I didn't count, but it was a lot.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Yeah. A lot of blood. He just texted me. He said, yay. Yeah. And I was like, oh, what's going on? And he just said, yay again. And I said, oh. Is it working? And he said, yeah. Because you've gone on a— I'm on the statin.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Yes, I'm on the statin, and I'm on half of the dose I was prescribed, and I wanted to see if that was going to be enough.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
And it seems like it is.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Oh, I brought my... Speaking of that, I brought my smell test.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Yeah. Do you want to do some or not?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
What do you mean?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Well, that's why it's fun to do it this way.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Why don't we do a couple cards?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
So part of our study is we have to complete the smell test. Okay.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Oh, that's a good question.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
And so we're gonna scratch our thing.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Oh, this one's harder than the last one.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
I have one locked, I think.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
What did you pick?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Oh, fuck. I picked lilac.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Yes. You smell peanuts? It smells floral.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
You don't smell, oh, I have an idea. Let me smell yours.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Yeah, it's the same smell.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Well, now you've heard our things.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
I did for a second think that. That would have been my second, because of oregano.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
But we don't know.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Okay. I'm going to lock nine in. Hold on.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Okay, let's do one more.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
It hurts so bad.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Menthol. Yes, D. Menthol.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Don't do that. But yeah. Cherry for the listener.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Okay. So what's interesting already, I know me and you are doing this much differently. I don't look at them.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
I do my thing. I smell first before I see the options.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
You think this is like revealing of our personalities?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Yeah, but you can also be misled that way. Like you were with wintergreen.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Well, you read them. That's why I just learned the hard.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
But I think I have it. I have it in my hand.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Stop being so passionate.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
I hate you, Dr. Isaacson. Oh, my God.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
You're such a baby test taker.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Yeah. I agree that this one isn't like that obvious. Okay.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
The options were grass, pizza, motor oil, and pineapple. And for the listener, you're probably thinking, how the fuck is it not clear?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
I am questioning— Okay, Rob, do you want to come smell this one?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Don't—stop doing that. He knows.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
I guess—yeah, maybe you— Smell mine and see if you agree with me.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Yeah, it is, but that's not an option. No, grass.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
I take a lot of pride in how strong my nose is.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Oh, that part's nice.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Sorry, I just, it's hard for me to stop halfway and test.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Oh, what'd you do?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Ooh, before school.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
No one's encouraging, okay, but this is, it could equally be not genetic. As you just said, you're doing all those things. Well, I'm modeling it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
In fact, for me, that's more of an indication that all that's nurture.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Cute. Yeah, it was fun. What did the sticker look like?
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Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
White with a blue?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Yeah. That wouldn't be undercover.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
That's over cover.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
There'll be an over cover cop.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Well, that's cute. That's a fun way to kick off the weekend.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
A lot of my friends' parents did that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Yeah, it was fun.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
It's a really sweet thing to do. I brought this up in what will be an upcoming episode, but I watched Shane Gillis' special last night.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
We've had a couple people on who are in comics.
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Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Arena Comics. And I do think...
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
At least two of them. At least Shane and one of them into one category. And then I remember when his special came out. Yeah. Everyone was watching it and loving it, but also like, eh, it's like edgy. It's risky. Yeah, very edgy. And a few people had told me that like I shouldn't watch it. I wouldn't like it. So I didn't.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
And then... Because we've been in this sort of world for a week or so with these comics. And, you know, it's brought up a lot of questions and things. And me and you have gotten into a couple things about it. And I was editing that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
After I was like, hmm, I want to watch Shane and see what I think about that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
And I thought it was so great. Oh, it's fucking wonderful. And so funny and good. And like... Then I was like, huh, it's – I, of course, on face value or like – maybe not face value, but like on the surface.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
First of all, understand how they're lumped together. And secondly, understand why, to me, why it would be like, maybe that's not for you. To me.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Yes, but I had seen his monologue already. So, well, and then he explains it immediately that he has a lot of family who has Down syndrome. And he also, like, has started a business. Yeah, yeah. There's a lot of reasons why I was not offended by that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Yeah, that's probably true for a lot of people. It's why I think Chappelle also gets a lot of passes for a lot of things he says. He's lived a life.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
I know, but I don't think it's the same, personally. Like, I think you are allowed to make jokes about your family, like, because something connected to your family or you. Uh-huh. But if you, I mean, you wouldn't because you know me, but if you went and, like, felt like you could go to an Indian accent because of your proximity to me, I would say probably not.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Yeah, of course.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Well, Pari's Indian. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
If you had said that to a white neighbor, I wouldn't have liked it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Exactly. And this, what you're saying right now, is my entire point. There is a lot of nuance in what is offensive and what is not.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Well, sure, there's a continuum, but there is also a, there's a reality in comedy math about who is getting made fun of.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
And sometimes, yes, on the surface, if someone's doing an accent, it's like, why are they doing the accent? Is it for, like when you were telling me the story about Pari.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
You were starting to do it in his accent because you were being him.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
That is different than you just going into a room and doing a generic Indian accent for no reason just to get a laugh. Right, right, right. There is a difference.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
And so, yeah, I guess I was really sitting with that of— There's so much... I think people think everyone's just offended by everything. And some people are. I'm not. Yeah. I don't know. But it's specific for me.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Yeah. If people enjoy it and are in on it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Sure. I'm not telling anyone they can't like something or whatever. I'm just telling you what I think is smart comedy and what isn't, if I'm being honest. I think people like Chappelle and I think Shane did this in his special episode. They are doing kind of wild, saying wild things.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Being very provocative.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
But they're not. If you really listen to what they're saying, they are making fun of the hegemonic group and all of these things. Or if you're making fun of fucking Al Qaeda, most people aren't going to be upset about that. I mean, you might be like, oh, my God, he's saying provocative things. He's saying 9-11. He's saying I'm rooting for them. He's saying this.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
But when you really start, you're like, oh, yeah, he is making fun of terrorists. Most people don't think they need to be, you know— You need to stick up for them.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
They're not a marginalized group.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Exactly. They're not a group that people feel like they need to, like, get behind.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Yeah. Those really, really smart comedians are Trojan horsing a positive message into the world under this kind of provocative nature. And I think that is brilliant.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Yeah. He seems cool. I think...
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
I know, the Asian slurs.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Yeah, if you do like five minutes of a look into it and you, you know, he apologized for that too. And he said, look, there's so much of me out there. There's going to be big misses. That was a big miss. Yeah. So that was a fun little deep dive I did.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Yeah, it was good.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
I guess this is sort of in keeping because this is for Jonathan Haidt.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
And I saw his book again pop up on something. It's like still number two. Yeah. It is a success. Okay, but the Cannibal Cookbook. Okay. That's Nico Clow. Nico Clow. C-L-A-U-X. I feel guilty because I know I would have pronounced it Clowx, but you already told me it was Clow.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
He murdered and robbed and according to him.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
He murdered and robbed and ate people.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Yeah, but like not for very long. 12 years?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Which feels like a little bit.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
I just really liked this phrase that I had never heard about two types of people. There are two types of people. Those who say there are two types of people and those who don't. I really liked that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
I wouldn't feel moved, but I feel fine.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
It doesn't bother me.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Yeah, I mean, I think I, you know, growing up and being more and more senior parents as real people and being a little critical of them, I guess I would more be like they were not able to go through a grief like that or they didn't think they were going to be able to. Yeah. So they did this.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Yeah. weirdly, that doesn't have anything to do with me, Monica, now. Like, I wouldn't think, oh, no, I wasn't real. I'm the second one. Yeah, I wouldn't think any of that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
I guess I would say morally it's okay.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
But, yeah, and again, the stakes couldn't be higher, so it's a good question.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Because I feel like we all experience pain, right? And then sometimes good things come out of it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
But, like, losing a kid, what could possibly come out of that that's positive? So, I mean, yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Right. But I guess then is it like then you really can't feel anything again? Like, I wonder how it will impact you in your life as the person, the parent.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
But also- Again, like, I don't think any parent could really, if they're thinking about their own kid, could see it this way. But you and I have talked about this when we, we've sometimes talked about other people who've gone through horrible, horrible tragedies of having, like, a child die of a disease or something.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Right. But you've also said, like, your best self... would just be so grateful to have had that time. That's what I would... That's your highest self.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Well, then is it dishonoring... her by replacing her yeah you're right like this new her even though she's cloned yeah is not her she's well right she's gonna eat different foods at different times and be at different spots on the planet we also just have there's there's just so much more to us than our dna and our our flesh like we have an essence we have a thing and
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
That isn't, you can't replicate that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Yeah. Well, you would do that again.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Is the new one the age of, would it come as a baby?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Okay, so then you would do all the same things. Yeah. But then that to me is, if it comes as a baby.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
That's the thing.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
I think maybe if it's a baby, like, it's maybe dishonoring the original kid.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Yeah, of course. But then I guess it sort of, it's like, then why not have another baby that's not her? But is just a new person.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
I mean, that's... But it's not... I guess that's what it really... I know, yeah. It's the guy with the bowl that Gordon... It's not her.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Unless you believe... Like, I don't believe that. I don't think a clone, even though it's technically a clone... It is her. It's technically her.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
It's her. I think there are just too many factors... Although that is the same as an identical twin. There just are factors... Yeah. In life that will make that person different. We live in a different house.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Yeah. Maybe there was something like that person had a complete... They didn't, in my opinion, because I don't really... You know, that's hard for me to, like, wrap my head around. But there was a beginning and an end to that. Yeah, yeah. And then to, like, kind of fuck with that feels... Maybe I'm wrong to that original person. I don't know. But again— But that person's dead.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Somebody else get—it's a new Dax.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
They all—well, yeah, but don't you—obvious.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Now, the study on how much time kids are spending on the phone in schools is, yeah, one and a half hours on average a school day with 25% of students logging on for more than two hours.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
I think it's not about disruptive behavior. It's about social isolation.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
No, I don't either. I don't even know if that, maybe for that study, that's the point. But I think Jonathan Haidt would say- It's not like the problem is just being isolated. Passing notes and stuff is rite of passage. It's part of school. It's part of growing up.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Yeah. Yeah. It's fun. It really is.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
I know. Did you pass in the hallway, too? Oh, did girls?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
We used to also pass. We had, like, slam books.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Yeah, we didn't call them that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
But, like, you'd have, like, one... You'd have one with like these two girls and you'd all get together and you'd make the composition book and you like cut out all these things from magazines and you tape it on and you tape the whole book. So the whole book is covered in like a particular design that you made.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
That's not the right phrase. No, it's like I would cut out this like – Picture of Britney Spears. And then they'd cut out a thing that says way cool. But like that's just the front. That's just the cover. Then throughout the day, you take turns with the book. So you'll write in it and then you'll pass to your friend. Then they'll write in it. Then they pass to the other.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
The thing is you'd end up having like a lot of books.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
I have heard of that. Slam books.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Slam book, I think, is what's maybe used in Mean Girls. We didn't call it that, but that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
You don't have to. You don't have to. We don't have to do any of this. I know. But we might as well do it if we've agreed to do it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
It's not... It's frustrating.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
It's so weird. Because I think if you were like, this thing is giving me so much anxiety. It's causing me stress that I can't handle. I don't want to do it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Then I would say, don't do it. If that's going to stress you out, if that's going to like cause you pain, then absolutely don't do it. It's when you, it's like, I don't want to do that. I'm not doing it. That is a hard mentality for me, for anyone in my life.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
So, I guess— But for me— I don't want to say I'm disappointed, but that might be the right, actually, word for it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
I mean, I'm sorry.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Yeah, I guess it's because I feel like, well, we all— We all decided to do this.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
I think that's a nice way of looking at it. And maybe that is what's happening. I think it's more, I think it's more, why are we doing any of this then? Like, if we're only going to half do.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Sure. If you're going to pick and choose, maybe it's indicative of a broader fear I have.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Because, I mean, if Rob says I don't want to do the smell test, I'm not going to have this feeling. It's toward you.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
And I think it's because I feel fearful.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
But that's an interesting thought. No. I feel fearful, I guess, that you could abandon anything you've committed to. What if tomorrow you decide you don't want to do this anymore? It's that, I think, really. I mean, I don't think that. Like, consciously, I don't think that. I don't think you're going to do that. I think you have your commitments and you stick to them.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
But I think that's what's happening. I'm just being honest. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
And why? Yeah. That's only for me to fix or change my mentality on. It's not for you to do anything about. But I do think that's probably a factor.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Oh, one thing before we end Jonathan, he has some detractors.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Yeah, and then that was in Nature magazine.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Yeah. Feel free to look into some of that other stuff. It's a good article.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
All right, that's it for Jonathan Haidt. Glad we got to have him on. Me too. Promote his big fancy book.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Yeah, I understand.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
That makes sense to me.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Yeah, that's so interesting that you bring that up. I think— I think that's common now where people just have become masters at debate.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
It's a huge skill.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
It doesn't mean they're right. And it doesn't even mean they've thought things out well. They're just very good at communicating and pivoting and doing that skill well.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
It's all about winning the debate as opposed to actually understanding one another.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
But I do think some people, especially in the academic world, really can suffer from this.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
And it's interesting when we get in these topics that are very emotional. Not we. Yeah. Sometimes we. But also we. But in general, when it's an emotional topic, but one of the people is often like very good at debating or an academic or something.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Exactly. But they're they're only using logic. And it's really hard in a debate to combat logic like you can't. But then everyone leaves. And like the person with the emotional argument is still correct. Like their feelings are still there.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
They're still probably, you know. Yeah. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Yeah. And we've talked about this, but it is. Worth repeating. Emotions are as important as logic. They're more. They're more important.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Exactly. Look at our political landscape. It's emotion driven.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
To act like that isn't a relevant part or to dismiss it in a debate or like just stomp on it with logic is so unhelpful because you're removing an entire real legitimate piece. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
That's very true, yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
That would be so boring.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
But do you think it's the majority of the party or is it still fringe?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jonathan Haidt Returns (on the Anxious Generation)
Yeah, and The Anxious Generation is on, like, everybody's book list. It's a very hot topic. So it was cool that he got to come in and tell us about it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
I only think about 270 when I think about that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
I really want to go. And they have great skincare.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
But are you being self-deprecating or are you being honest? Like, I can't tell.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
Oh, that's made its way to America. Now they have salmon sperm.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
Sign me up. You get it injected, then you look 14.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
And in politics, exact same thing. When a new person comes in, the old stuff all has to go.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
Ooh, is it our first? That's a big swing.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
What's his religion? Do we know? He was German. He's a Christian of some sort.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
The important stuff. The starter job, the presidency.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
Chill out for a week. For a week. If anything. Yeah, just take a breather. My God. That's part of the problem because it's those people. If they were quiet, maybe other people wouldn't be like, oh, I'm happy their houses are burning down. But Trump is literally calling him Gavin Newsom right now. Yeah. Are you kidding me? You're our president.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
We thought it was my parents' basement, and it is disgusting now. But I do think it was $72,000 or something like that. I still think that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
These are all so counter. I want to be so altruistic and I want to be the president and a trillionaire. A little suspicious, right? This is wild.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
It's what you wrote down. I want to be president when you were 11 years old.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
It's so out of touch. You can be very smart until you hit a certain level of ego and power, and then you become dumb again.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
And happy birthday. Happy birthday. Thanks for joining us for your birthday.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
Oh, I didn't notice that. My glass bottle of BC. Is it from Bill?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
Yeah. Is that diet or regs? Diet. This is an amazing ding, ding, ding. Oh. But for our next. A different guest.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
I don't know, because I listened to a few podcasts all the way through. Oh, God. Yeah. And then I just let it turn off. And then I don't know when, how long after that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
I listened to Nobody's Listening Right, Elizabeth and Andy, my favorite podcast. And then they- That's your blankie. Uh-huh. That's my- Your binky.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
Yeah. And then I wonder, I mean, I had stuffed animals.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
But I never had one that was like, you have to take it to the airport and on vacation and all these things that all the kids have.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
She might have thrown those away. I think this is a ding, ding, ding for real.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
Liberti does look a little cleaner than normal. I agree.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
He does look a little cleaner than usual. For the listener, I'm holding Liberti, my beanie baby, who's covered in poo-poo.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
No. It is. Like from a rat or something?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
So my parents aren't, I guess, as ruthless as your mom, but they are pretty bad. Like they just put everything in some big bags.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
No, because my brother moved out. I mean, moved in. So then everything got thrown into these bags. Catalogs.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
And then thrown in the basement. But it was literally like everything. Just like random, like a sticky note is it. They just threw it all in a bag. So this Leberti obviously got thrown face down.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
No, it is. Stop it. I don't smell anything.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
Listen, I'm not, you're not gonna like what I'm about to say, but it's the truth. This is on eBay right now for $700. No. Yes.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
Those ones look clean, but that means they're not as unique as mine.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
This is the only poopy Liberty there is.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
Maybe they want it. Why do you get to make the decision for people that... I don't.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
Yeah, because you said you'll feel terrible, but you shouldn't feel terrible if they want it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
Do you think people should smoke if they want?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
I feel totally ethical auctioning this off as even though it's a bit dirty. But what I will be honest about, and this is an important piece, it is missing its tag.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
It's missing the heart thing that has its name. But his name is still on his butt. It says it on the tag where he pooped.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
I don't have any lovies. And, well, again.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
But this is like... You thought at one point it was worth $20,000. It was. He comes up in this episode.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
Well, he was upstairs. That's why. He didn't see him.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
Yeah, if you go to eBay, you're going to get a nice guy. You're going to get an angel liberty. But this is the only devil liberty in the whole world.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
Remember we had a guest on once whose brother had that surgery and he passed away from it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
Yeah. Well, the best novels do that. Yeah. Yeah. You probably just haven't read any good ones.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
I really like reading novels. Yeah. I mean. But you're a fantasy girl.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
You have plenty of fantasies. Okay. You're a fantasy girl, too.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
And a cookie boy. I'm a reality girl, too.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
Speaking of fantasy, we have an upcoming guest who we discuss fantasy with a bit. And I thought that was really interesting.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
If you don't say it, I'm going to have to say it on the fact check.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
Until you don't need it anymore to survive.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
No, to be clear, it is raining. It's been raining for the past couple days. I have seasonal affective disorder, SAD, self-diagnosed. And I am about to start my period. There's lots going on.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
That generally speaking, I can predict what kind of mood I will be in.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
Yes, there's many things at play. I'm starting to feel like really agitated. Yeah. It's that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
Not the thing or the person or whatever. Yeah. And so that's helpful to know.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
It is. I guess that's CBT. Also, I feel like you've been in a low mood.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
Right? And we have talked about it on here.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
But the thing you don't always agree with, but that I really do think is true, is that you can only have 100% of an emotion in the room.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
Or between two people or whatever. Yeah. And I feel that. Like, when you are not... at your happiest yeah oh it's not my turn uh-huh to also be in that headspace like it's my turn to be the other type of person in this in this setting yeah in this duo so I don't know I find that sort of liberating. It's like, okay, this isn't the time for me to indulge my thing.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
It's not that set in stone. I am able to overcome it if I need to. And the rain makes me gloomy, but I haven't really been that gloomy yet.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
I wonder if aversion to rain slash seasonal affective disorder slash that is, it's like misophonia. Like it could, it's a gene.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
Because you're talking about the mist. Yeah. And I want, I want.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
I know, but I... Don't care. I don't like it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
But I want to like it. Maybe that'll be my New Year's resolution and... This year, the new year started again in February.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
Oh, I see. Oh, they're working backwards. I got it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
Dealing with that? Dealing with his... Can he wear a diaper?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
Were you wearing your underwear? Yeah. Oh, no. Did it get in?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
And then Chris might have had to clean up your duty too.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
You tonka'd. Well, no, tonka. Please use the correct.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
Oh, you don't want to. This doesn't count because it's too tiny.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
Okay. Okay. I'm not going to talk about it, but we had similar situations. Sort of.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
Yeah. Sort of. Not really, but interesting. Wait, in your new outfit? Yeah, but I didn't have any poop.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
You always are. Women can't get away with that kind of thing. Yes, they can. No, they can't. I didn't poop. I didn't. Are you sure? I'm sure. But I just had a situation that's a little tangential to yours with no poop.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
I just, something interesting and novel.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
There's only been, I've only Tonka'd once.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
And then one of those other situations. This isn't worth, this would not even make like a chapter. Okay, great. It's like at best two lines.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
Yeah. It's like under the title, the little like quote.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
Okay. This is all the rage. And it's because salmon sperm shares a lot of DNA with us.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
And so we used to have vampire facials. I mean, they still do them, but that's where they would like take your blood out and then... Spin it? Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
Yeah, they spin it and zhuzh it and then they put it back in.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
I think they're kind of trying to make it. Look, allegedly, I never did it. And then I am not going to try it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
I'm interested in that. Yeah. Yeah. Salmon ejaculate is the actual clinical term.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
Yet. It's not FDA approved yet. But if you go to South Korea, you can get it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
Yes. There's a podcast I love called Eyewitness Beauty. And Nick Axelrod, one of the hosts, he goes and he once got something called like small face surgery.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
Yeah. Wow. So they do all kinds of things.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
Now, it's called Rejuran. Rejuran. It's a long chain polynucleotide DNA of salmon milk in micro droplets under the skin of the face and neck. One of the main ingredients is hyaluronic acid. Oh, we have a friend who's done this, by the way.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
Right. Just like the vampire facial where it's like. Oh, they put it in.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
She went to South Korea and she did this.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
I haven't seen her in a while. I might see her at the Super Bowl. Okay. But she said she's gotten a lot of compliments and that she looks visibly different. Oh, wow. I know. Wow. And it's supposed to improve elasticity, reduction of fine lines and wrinkles, increase skin hydration, and improve healing capabilities of the skin from damage.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
No, no, because scars. It helps with skin clarity. Okay. So once it gets FDA approved.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
No. This is confusing. I thought for sure you were going to get it. I'm kidding. I'm not kidding that this is a thing and people do find or people like it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
Well, that's the thing. We've got to get the right type.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
He talked about gay men of his cohort being quite successful— And it's true, and there is a lot of current research on this group right now. Adult gay men tend to have a higher rate of educational attainment compared to straight men, with a significantly larger percentage earning college degrees and advanced degrees like a PhD, MD, or JD.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
This is often attributed to factors like a strong drive to excel academically in the face of potential societal challenge.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
We need to get Charles, bell curve Charles on that, on that one.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
Bacronym. This is a huge development for us. I've now used the term like three times.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
It's an acronym deliberately formed from a phrase whose initial letters spell out a particular word or words either to create a memorable name or as a fanciful explanation of a word's origin. That's very confusing.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
I don't understand that definition, but I understood his, which is basically like you work backwards. You have the acronym.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
Yes. SWATI. SWATI. Then you find the letters that go into it. Right, okay. I mean, I'm sorry, the words that match those letters, as opposed to you create the phrase or the tenets and then you take it back.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
Fantasy Baseball, it dates... back to 1980. It was originally known as the rotisserie baseball. Magazine editor Dan Okrent and some friends created the game at a restaurant in Manhattan. Now, the price of Bitcoin today.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
$96,428.22. It's a drop in. It's dropping. Don't come at me.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
You're being so prolific with your books. I'm sorry to say I still haven't even finished Intermezzo.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
Oh, no. Okay, well, we already went too long. So next week, we'll do the riddle.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
We'll do the riddle from Intermezzo, but also I haven't even finished it, and I was supposed to read it at Christmas. Oh, no. And now it's February, but really January.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
Me too. What an interesting guy and an interesting life.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
I think we have an idea that gambling is like dirty and bad.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
And then statistics is smart and highfalutin.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nate Silver (statistician)
Are you coding yourself or you have... In 2000.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
I feel like I'm going through therapy very soon. Yeah, well, that is the goal. We do want people to feel very relaxed. Too comfortable, really.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
Right. Yeah, did you feel like you had to, after that, sort of like keep your head down? Maybe it's just my own personality.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
That's your teacher?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
You have such a full circle. Yeah, yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
We call it ABR, always be recording. Always be recording. Okay, okay.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
How do you even start something like that? Do you literally just look around the room and you're like, okay. Here we go.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
And do you have to pay? Because if you pay, you'll probably get a certain group more than you'll get another group. Right.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
The climate too would be the other more recent thing. There's a Paris Accord and there is things that globally people have come together.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
I mean, I think that's part of it. It's just an acknowledgement globally that we're all going to have to do something. And especially the superpowers do need to take more on than others. But it's just getting on the same page that I think we've done okay at. And at least there's some consensus there. So there could be some consensus here potentially.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
Oh man, so jealous.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
Right. Yeah, it's hard to listen to your own stuff. Well, it's not her. I know, but your own stuff. Yeah. You spent so much time writing it. Right.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
You have a lot of other stuff. Don't waste your time.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
I did. We shot a commercial.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
Yeah. I had a really fun full circle moment.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
Because I got out of the car. You know, I haven't acted in a while.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
Yeah. I got out of the car and I started recognizing some of the people on set. And I realized I had worked with a lot of that crew on some previous commercials in my day. Sure.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
It felt so nice and cool. Like, you know, I had done these commercials as just this actor auditioning and doing this thing. And now we're doing a commercial.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
And we're doing it together. Yeah. not for this podcast, but- But because of this podcast. Yeah. And it was something really cool about it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
I liked it. And it, I think it's because my ring is fixed.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
I see. Yeah, that's hard.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
Yeah, he's doing great.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
Do you want to tell people what Toto texted you? It was so funny.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
Yeah, it was a great episode. And so, yeah, just so cool. We get to talk to anyone we want to talk to. Not anyone. I still have a list. We still got Tay.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
No, we already had Machine Gun Kelly.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
Become better than everyone.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
Yeah, me too. But he did say, because Toto was like, when did he see me dance?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
He was just... He's being funny. He was doing a yes and.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
Yeah. I think the- Who wouldn't believe it?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
I think he is a great dancer.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
How many more Christmas cartoons are there?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
Of course. I think he is given his due props.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
You know, there's a Seuss land.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
Yeah, at one of the parks. I think.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
You should go. You should pay your respects.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
But it kind of sounds like Sisyphusian, which is my favorite word.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
That's a lovely way to look at it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
It's actually Sisyphean.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
Me too. And I maintain it. Yeah. Okay. So you're in the Christmas spirit.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
Ooh. Ooh, that sounds lovely.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
Wow. Ding, ding, ding.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
Nice. You used a little bit of my...
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
There were good gifts on there.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
Yeah, well, I pick great items.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
Yes. That's the goal.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
There's fun stuff abound.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
So, and let's just, so your tree has colored lights, right?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
But I just want to talk about lights.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
I wonder how Hermium, does he have a delivery service? How does he get his tree?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
Oh, okay. So it's all on the up and up.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
Okay. Getting a little taken advantage of, but you seem fine with it. Okay, great.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
Now remember, I'm not your mom.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
Yes, the lights, because Chris and I assume on her nice tree has white lights. Yep.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
Yeah. And this is, you know, this is a big thing. I don't know if it's Rob. Yeah. What color lights do you have?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
He's trying to walk in the middle and be nice, but really he has white lights and he likes them.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
Yeah, I know what you mean. There's like a warm and a cool.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
Yeah, yes, because Aaron grew up exactly like you. So it's not fit. You just assume it's men because you and Aaron believe it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
So, yes, Rob did not grow up with you and like you.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
So, I don't think it's gender, but I do think some people love— The nostalgic colored lights and then other people who care about aesthetics love the white light.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
Is that what you're going to say? No, I wasn't going to say that. Your life does not match that mentality anymore.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
Yeah, that's fine. Okay, for him. Yeah. Okay, but for me— Yeah, you aren't—you're of the highest class in this country.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
Okay, okay. And you also hobnob with the highest class.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
And where's your tree?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
Because your second tree is in your second living room. Okay?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
You know, I got to keep you. I got to just remind you.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
It's just, to me, the class warfare thing, I would hope you now see.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
Okay, so I have white lights, obviously.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
Yeah, everyone would know that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. Jess and I had pig day and we went to home. We just missed you, I guess, because we really like the timing.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
I think it's hard for families to have to decide.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
And everyone has their things they care about. And luckily, Jess and I have the same thing. We don't like bald—call it bald puss.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
Bald pussy. Bald pussy. If there's bald spots. Okay, great. And we don't like that. Okay.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
I thought Brazilian is... Clean? Clean. Rob?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
Just definition of Brazilian wax.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
You can do that on your own time.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
Yeah, there's like, you can just get different kinds, but Brazilian generally means all hair.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
Oh my God. That's so funny. Did she laugh?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
That's really funny.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
This is very exciting. It's holiday party season.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
Work parties, family parties, parties with friends.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
Parties with your animals.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
It's a great reason to shop for new clothes or accessories and really like spice up your wardrobe. Make it fancy.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
Oh, tell me about it. I really like to make my house feel very me during the holidays. You could be decorating the outside of the house, getting some lights, something for the windows, grab some new holiday towels, some festive hand soap. Oh, I love a good festive hand soap. Candles. You really you can do it all.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
Oh, and one other thing. Amazon Music is here to help with the playlist. Curating the party playlist, it's an art.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
Now, we were also so quick. So quick. In fact, it was almost eerie. We walked in and we were doing just like a quick look and Jess just beelined. He knew his daughter.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
Yes. And he knew his daughter. Yeah. And it was the one.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
No. The tree is our daughter. Okay, okay. That makes sense. We co-parent. Okay. But she lives at my house.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
So he's a little bit of a debbie-deb, but whatever. And she's really pretty. She's so nice. She's... We said—because last year, Archery was a boy, and he was a model. Oh. He was gorgeous. Striking. Striking and very—angular. Exactly. Very angular. Not around features. Not around features. This girl is—she's not a model, but she's a star.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
Exactly. And I've been trying some different hats on her, toppers.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
I haven't decided yet.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
It's a sweet story.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
Oh, my God. The way you feel about the trees is like how Kristen feels about the dogs.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
So, for her, trees are not dogs. She wants a pretty one.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
So what'd you do with the truck?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
Yeah, I don't feel bad for the... You don't? I don't.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
Make him go away. Make him go away. I can only take, I can't, I kind of forgot.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
Yeah, practically none.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
Wow. It's like quadrupled in size.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
Do you want to feel her? I do. I want to touch it, but also last time we touched it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
Wow. There is so much.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
Are they separated? There's no real.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
You're probably illegal. It's like, yeah, it's illegal.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
Did you use tweezers?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
That's okay. Yeah, we live and learn. This is an R&D situation.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
All right. Oh, one more thing. One cool thing that happened that I want to put out there in the world, because I think it's good for me to manifest this. Okay. When Callie and I were shopping, we went into one store and I bought some cute little boxer shorts.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
As we were leaving, Callie was in front of me and someone had held the door open for her to come out. And like some woman walked in and then Callie walked out. And then he this person continued to hold the door for me. And I was like, oh, thank you. Then I kept walking. I don't know. He's a mystery man.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
It was the most gorgeous person I've ever seen. Really? Male or female?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
Build it for me. But now he's sort of a haze. Oh. Like, I don't remember. I don't like that part. I know, I know. But part of it was, it happened so fast, he took my breath away. Yeah. And I think it read, you know, it read.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
Yeah. And he smiled. And I don't remember if he showed teeth or not. But no, he just like, that's who he is. Okay. And I turned, you know, I turned and I said, oh my God, that guy was so hot. And she said, I know.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
Yes. So we, so this is an undeniable situation.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
Well, I think they were together.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
Well, I don't know. Okay. There's no way to know.
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Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
Brentwood Country Mart.
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Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
On Black Friday. On Black Friday. Probably around noon.
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Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
I'll read them all. Comment or.
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Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
No, because, you know, when I walk through the world, I'm extremely unobservant. I don't notice people. You're blind, basically. I really am. And speaking of blind, I got some soap in my eye this morning, and it was— Blinding? I thought I did some permanent damage.
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Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
Okay. So anyway, I walk around so unobservant, and yet this person was strong. He pulled me out. It was shocking.
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Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
He was, he was so attractive.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
That day? A lot of times. A ton. Yeah.
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Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
I am prone to fantasies. I, I didn't actually. I was more just like.
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Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
A little bit. Oh my God. And I don't even believe in that, but like maybe. Anyway, that was a big mystery.
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Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
No, it's starting to dissipate. And I don't remember him.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
Yeah, guys, seriously.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
Seriously. Okay, anyway, so that, we'll add that to the mystery pile with the guy I met in New York, the restaurant guy.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
That mystery is also.
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Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
I don't give him permission to say my name.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
Okay, this is for Fei Fei Li.
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Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
Not intimately. Yeah.
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Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
And he was giving her a lot of props and reverence.
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Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
That she really deserves. She was, I loved her so much.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
She was a delight. Yeah. Now some facts for her. How long did Einstein live at Princeton? He lived in Princeton, New Jersey for 22 years from 1933 until his death in 1955. He purchased a house at 112 Mercer Street, which became his home until his death. The house was for him, his wife, Elsa, stepdaughter, Margo, and secretary, Helen Dukas.
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Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
I bet it's more like an assistant. Nowadays, we'd call it an assistant.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
Okay. Oh, we talk about Cambridge Analytica. which was the whole thing that happened with Facebook. I encourage people to listen to Acquired, the podcast Acquired. They do an episode on Meta, fantastic episode. And they talk about what happens with the Facebook Cambridge Analytica scandal. And a lot of it's very misunderstood.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
A lot of what the public thinks, we're all missing a ton of information.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
Exactly. And that's not what it was. And she didn't.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
But they were using old information from an old quiz. Oh. Or quiz or something that Facebook did a long time ago. And that's what they used. Oh, okay. They weren't using current information. And yeah, they- Like, Facebook didn't sign off on... They didn't hand over this information.
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Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
It's such a good podcast.
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Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
I'm always shocked.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
In the business world, like learning. I mean, you listen, I mean, they're four hours long. Meta six. Yeah, they spend a month researching a company and then they just tell you everything about the business and how it came to be and all of it. And you do leave feeling like you went to, Like you took a course in business.
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Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
I recommend Acquired. And that's it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Fei Fei Li (on a human-centered approach to AI)
That's the line we learned from the Lisa Kudrow fact check that we say to people that I'm just grateful for you. I'm grateful you exist.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rebecca Lemov (on brainwashing)
At 24, I lost my narrative, or rather it was stolen from me. And the Monica Lewinsky that my friends and family knew was usurped by false narratives, callous jokes, and politics. I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again.
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Rebecca Lemov (on brainwashing)
So I think listeners can expect me to be chatting with folks, both recognizable and unrecognizable names, about the way that people have navigated roads to triumph. My hope is that people will finish an episode of Reclaiming and feel like they filled their tank up. They connected with the people that I'm talking to and leave with maybe some nuggets that help them feel a little more hopeful.
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Rebecca Lemov (on brainwashing)
Follow Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to Reclaiming early and ad-free right now by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rebecca Lemov (on brainwashing)
There are times that you prioritize it, but- But that's like top tier best friend maintenance.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rebecca Lemov (on brainwashing)
You guys share anthropology and addiction. That's a lot of
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Rebecca Lemov (on brainwashing)
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Rebecca Lemov (on brainwashing)
But there are peptides like that. There are.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
It's a very immigrant parent thing to do, actually. So that's funny.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
I was a double major, and I was also summa. We won't say what the majors were, because that might dilute.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
Yeah. For the same reason, because I wanted to do theater. My parents were like, probably not. You're going to need to do something else.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
People with backgrounds like the both of you, you're expecting the worst thing to happen. So it's really nice to have evidence that it could go a positive way.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
Yeah, we've heard it from a few people have talked about these.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
They were like, we tried it. It didn't work.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
You have to be motivated, self-motivated.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
It is mixed messages because he calls people unicorns he likes, but then he also says he doesn't like unicorns. So it is tricky. There's confusion. You're right to be confused. Understandably.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
Also, humans don't even have the ability to do a lot of the stuff that these animals can do. So which one are you even aiming for?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
This is why the Roomba worked, because it didn't have to use any digits or anything. It was just sort of at random moving.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
Also, can you do a dishes one? like putting them.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
Oh, my God. This is your job. I've been so annoyed all day long.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
Yeah, exactly. Exactly. But you can't tell it like it has the bin and it has all the objects and you can't say pick the shoe.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
I guess she's the only one. What a romantic gesture. Yeah, I know. What's the deal?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
That says so much more about Dax than it does about you.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
Yeah, but wasn't that part of the whole thing with Oppenheimer? I mean, they were trying to keep it to America, right?
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Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
Well, you don't, but do they feel like we got to protect? I mean, obviously not, which is amazing. I'm shocked. Because that's our whole thing. We've talked about it all the time with AI. Like, well, if we want to put the brakes on it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
Yeah, exactly. Other countries aren't. So what are we doing?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
That's interesting. Wow. Great take. For someone to be smarter than them, where they're at the most upper echelon, is scary to them. It's a threat to their identity.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
That's the thing you think as a person you cannot replicate.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
We said that we were talking to Feifei about that, like especially with physics, there's something mystical about it. There's something about releasing your firm hold on life and giving it up.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
There's symmetry at the very least. From where, I don't know.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
Well, I'm not allowed because I'm short. And they have a rule that if you're short, you have to show a little bit of skin. If you're wearing oversized clothing, you have to show a little bit of skin on your arm.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
Yeah, well, you're 50. So a lot of things have changed.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
I got you a present for your birthday. Do you want to open it?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
The tissue is from Nikki Kehoe. The present is not.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
Yeah, also from Nikki Kehoe. That's how they wrap.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
I bought it as a first edition and it is signed. It's signed? Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
We think about wealth disparity now. But then in order to even read a book, you had to be a millionaire. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
I did. Congratulations. I journaled every day.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
I had therapy, too, and we talked about it. And she said I could— Burn them? Yeah, or shred them or whatever.
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Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
No. It may— She's like, if that's going to allow you to really be able to be honest and truthful with yourself in a way you won't be able to otherwise... And let it out of your body. You know, sometimes her and I talk about, like, there are things... That I talk about with her that only she gets to hear. And she said, you know, it's not just me. You also have you. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
And you have a dialogue with, you can have a dialogue with yourself.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
Especially via the journal. Yeah. But yes, of course, I have to be myself. very honest with myself there. And so if I'm out of fear not doing that, then it's not worth it. So I'm still deciding.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
It's not enough, though. I wish it was 5,000.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
It was good. It's my first therapy of the new year. You know, for a second, I was debating. I was like, maybe I only need to start going like as check-ins now. Maybe I don't really need to be on this consistent of a schedule. But then today I was like, no, I need to keep up my once every two weeks.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
Speaking of, okay, you know how I'm always paranoid about drowning my cells?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
Yeah, or people in general, like drinking too much water and then drowning their cells.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
So him and I are aligned. Soulmates. That's why he's got those fresh hands. He doesn't drink any water.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
Oh, my gosh. I'm going to put my hair up real time. If you want to see it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
Okay. If you want to see it, go to YouTube.
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Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
Yeah. Well, I did it for, when's this out?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
I did it for a commercial we were just in together.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
Yes, exactly. It was so fun. And it's out. It was out yesterday. It's on our Instagrams.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
And in it, I do have a... ponytail with a braid that I love. It's just really hard for me to do on my own. I had a hairstylist that day.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
I'd pay for that. Anyway, okay, so drowning cells, everyone laughs at me. They guffaw.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
No, he's a real person I know. I'm not going to say who. I'm not going to out him.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
Right. He's a friend of a friend. This is a sad story. I'm transitioning into a sad story.
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Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
Yeah, stop. A big group of friends was meeting and one Robbie- Yeah, sweet Robbie from our chain. Yes, from the connections chain wasn't there. I was like, where's Robbie? And his wife said, oh, he's at the hospital with-
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Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
Yes, with... The unmentionable. No, because... He's not underwear.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
We can't call him untouchable because he's Indian.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
Yeah, so now I'm giving a lot of info away.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
That's true. There is one. There is one. Anyway, this is sad. This is sad. He had a seizure. Yeah. And I guess he had already had a seizure a year before and was on seizure medication and stuff.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
When he went the first time after his seizure, they checked his salinity levels and they were so low. And he did drink in... like really excessive amount of water. And he drowned his cells.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
Are you referring to like the potatoes I made or something?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
I think you have a good amount of salt from your diet. Yeah, I feel fine about my salinity.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
And I don't drink any water, so I'm good there.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
He was on an exercise routine, and I'm not sure why. Anyway, so turns out, per usual, I'm right. You can drown yourselves. Per usual.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
Okay. It says, yes, cells can drown in a condition called water intoxication or hyponatremia, which occurs when there's too much water in the body. When there's too much water in the body, sodium levels drop, causing water to move into cells and causing them to swell. This can be especially dangerous for brain cells as it can lead to pressure in the brain, confusion, drowsiness. Wait, though.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
MeUndies is a great brand. Really? It's a brand? Yeah, it is.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
It's almost as if they were a current sponsor. We planned all that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
Yeah, it is weird. Then I wondered, is like epilepsy.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
And when we were in high school, she had seizures. Seizures. And they were dating at that time.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
And she got in this car accident because she had one. Hers were different, though. She had, like, she didn't have grand mal seizures.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
But they're still in it because... Oh, no.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
Yeah, I did. Hold on. I got to call Robbie. He's the one also that knows about all of this.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
Don't say that. Knock on wood. Hello? Hey, Robbie.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
Well, we started we wanted to call you about some one thing, but now we have two things to talk to you about that are very important.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
Well, she doesn't have, okay, not specific epilepsy, but you do have three people in your life that have had seizures. And it's now we're starting to worry.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
Yeah, yeah, there was some implication. This is video, so I know people can see that there's something on the floor, so I had to say it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
My guess is Gino would say otherwise. Agreed. But this is wild. Four, Robbie, four is a lot.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
Wait, no, because mine happened once I left.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
Because I didn't drink enough water and then it caught up.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
An elephant in the room, if you will. Oh, my God.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
That's a lot of words. That's a lot. That's too many words. You need it to be small. No, no.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
OK, now we have moving on to point number two.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
Yeah. That sounds like a good plan. That's going to work. Okay. Now, point number two is football. And you are my main source of information for football. I was texting you during the Texas-Georgia game, and we were secretly gloating while I was amongst a bunch of Texans. And then Dax just told me that then Texas went on to, like, win all the rest of the game.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
Oh, twice. Yeah. But then it's kind of a fluke that we aren't. Like, it doesn't make sense that we beat them twice and we're now out.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
Yeah, all right. Well, that clears that up, I guess.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
He's a very handsome man. You know, I only have handsome and beautiful friends.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
All of us unicorns are. How did that happen?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
No. I, I'm, I'm more into like the Anne Frank story of that era. Like I, I don't, I guess I'm really not drawn deeply to people in power. Like, I'm not—that's not a thing that— You're drawn to the disenfranchised. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
Well, I just find that way more— as a human story, way more compelling. I find that kind of overcoming, like a true overcoming, much more compelling.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
Than someone who's like, just, feeding off power.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
Oh, I agree, yes. I find that fascinating. Those figures, they don't do it for me.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
I'm kind of like... towards them, you know?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
I figured out where my eye roll comes from. We thought it was an Indian thing.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
Thought it was maybe just a full resentment I have of everything and everyone. We didn't know, but I knew that's not right. That's not it. It's a habit, but why? And now I know.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
Yeah, but check us out on YouTube and you can see this.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
All right. Now, Full House was my original friends. Yeah. I was obsessed with it. The only time I was ever punished for my parents, the punishment was I couldn't watch Full House that night. That's in my cells.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
That's where I got it. I got it from original Mary-Kate and Ashley Full House.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
Yeah. Mimicking. They were my models then and now.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
I think it would be sad if they're my Aaron Weakley because they don't know me. But they are my ride or die.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
Yeah. I guess that makes sense. But also doesn't make sense.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
Well, they're not identical twins. You know that, right?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
It's crazy. Do we know this for positive?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
Thank you. I know. I know. They're not? That's like me saying I know something about Valentino Rossi.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
You would not. I mean, I agree with you. It's shocking.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
Okay. Well, some people don't understand twins. They don't understand what identical means versus fraternal.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
I feel like if most fraternal twins I know are boy and girl.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
The body is a wonderland. John Mayer. Yeah. All right, let's do a little bit of facts. This is for Ken Goldberg. He was wonderful. I really, really liked him.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
A lot. Okay, now this episode starts with your underwear on the floor.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
I know, but in the moment, you can't think straight.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
Oh my God, that's so funny. Okay, but also, so that happened, the underwear. But then I realized when I was editing it, the inside out of my pant pocket- Was exposed? Was exposed the whole time.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
It is weird, but no one caught that. So the whole episode, the inside of my pant pocket is out.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
Now, the vaccination mark. The smallpox vaccine scar is a small mark you might have on your upper arm if you receive the DRIVAX or ACAM 2000 smallpox vaccines. It's a sign that the vaccine successfully spurred an immune response in your body to protect you against smallpox. Not many people receive a smallpox...
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
Not many people receive a smallpox vaccine today, so the scar is far less common than it used to be. The smallpox vaccine leaves a scar because it causes a minor infection in your skin. Your body fights off the infection, but this process leaves behind a small mark on your skin where the infection and related inflammation took place.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
You can look at pictures online. They have them and they do look like that. Okay, the book, the scientific management book that was influential on Stalin is called The Principles of Scientific Management by Frederick Taylor.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
Okay, now... So Kim Kardashian posted some pictures with the Optimus robot. And it said that Elon gave it to her. And she denies that she was paid for those pictures. Okay.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
This is what it says the robot can do. The Tesla Optimus robot. Okay. It says it can do physical labor. Okay. It says it can move materials, assemble parts, and load items onto machinery. Okay. Yeah, I'm skeptical of that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
This is also on the AI overview, so they're buddies.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
They're all in cahoots. Yeah. Inventory management. Optimus can use barcode or RFID scanning to track inventory in real time. Home chores. Optimists can carry groceries, help the elderly, and perform other home tasks.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
I mean, that would be good. Data collection and research. Optimists can be used in labs or remote monitoring environments to collect data. I mean, that's just like the brain.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
Yeah. Smart home integration. Optimists can link up with Tesla cars and energy systems to become part of a smart home. Optimists can walk among people and serve drinks at a bar.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
But have you heard about that? Okay, apparently there's a place in like Culver City or something that is run by, it's like a burger place that is run by robots and the robots drop off your food.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
I think it's saying it delivers it to your table, but it might not be bipedal.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
Hello, Fowler. It looks like a little thing with serving trays and American flags that goes to your table. We'll have to go. But okay. It says Optimus can perform precise movements and heavy lifting. Optimus can adapt its behavior over time to reach the desired results. Optimus can play games like rock, paper, scissors. Okay. So anyway, that's what AI claims its buddy Optimus can do.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
He's wondering what's going on because like there's a lot of other robots now.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
Rabi Rab Sabi. There was Prada has these bag chains that I really want that are robots.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
Oh, she might, but they're called bag charms. And look, Prada has this one. This one's in like, this one's in like snow gear.
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Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
I agree. But it's not trash. This is $1,100.
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Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
Well, okay. But I agree. I would not put – people love bag charms and I think that's great and it's a way to like show your identity. But they're not for me on my bag. But I want this little robot to just like sit in my house.
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Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
He's pretty big. Look at him compared to the bag.
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Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
You said 39% of U.S. jobs are still manual labor. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, reported that 39.1% of civilian workforce in the U.S. performs physically demanding jobs that require lifting, carrying, pushing, pulling, kneeling, stooping, crawling, and climbing activities in varied environmental conditions.
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Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
Yeah. But I'm just wondering, is it really manual? Yeah.
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Ken Goldberg (roboticist)
It's laborious. All right. Well, that's it for Ken.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
If you're starting to have a panic attack, if you start thinking about having it, it gets so exacerbated because
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
I wonder if, because I often say this, I'm like, yes, I'm a hypochondriac. It's not like I'm like, ah, this hurts. You're a lazy hypochondriac. I got to go to the doctor and get tests. Don't you think a real hypochondriac is in the doctor all the time?
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
Yeah. That's a good question.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
Oh, I love this. This is a very validating. You're getting a clean bill of health from this whole thing.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
This is now she has woken up.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
What they really don't want to say is we don't know. I think a lot of doctors don't want to say that.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
I have epilepsy. Oh, do you?
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
I have an exact image of what the scene is.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
Relative to where they came from.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
You can't get what you don't know.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
It's like they can't help it. When you can't help anything about your personality.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
Yeah, they're often It is so ubiquitous. You almost have to delineate. There's that new podcast, Telepathy Tapes, and it is about nonverbal autistic children. But you have to, oh, it's about autism, but, you know, really extreme. You have to say that as opposed to just before.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
Do you think part of the problem is with social media? I feel like people want a thing that makes them specific. They want a thing that makes them special. They want something to be able to talk about, be an expert in. I think they want to excuse some of their shitty behavior.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
Yeah, I'm sure that's part of it. But I also think there is this like inclination to have a thing now to present to the world.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
Like you don't even have a personality if you don't have a thing.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
Right, that's what I'm talking about.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
They don't want to treat. That's my whole point. They don't want anything to change necessarily. They just want to say I have this or I'm this.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
This episode was really interesting because we talk a lot about overdiagnosis, but also about kind of... Psychosomatic. Psychosomatic contagions.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
Yeah, we've knocked out 80% of the stimuli we're used to.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
Exactly. Of course. It was a crazy time psychologically.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
Do you think that aliens have to worry about bone density? No.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
So jealous. Yeah. Speaking of, well, this episode, which is for Dr. Susanna Sullivan.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
Yes. It's connected to this episode, but it's also a ding, ding, ding for a future episode. I'm starting to panic that I have something. Oh, okay. And it might be psychosomatic.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
Well, it didn't. It didn't get worse. I was like, oh, yeah, I'm fine. Nothing's like really getting in my way, you know. Yeah, yeah. But then we have another expert coming up. Easter egg. And there is something brought up in that episode.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
I know, but I don't want to get into the details because it's not I think I have perimenopause. It's I think I am getting frozen shoulder pain.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
I mean, sometimes I do some little lifting.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
Well, no. It also happened when I was home.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
Oh, God, it's so confusing. It happened when I was home. Something happened when I was home that made me think, oh, gosh, I might have this thing that my mom had and my grandmother had.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
Okay, let me ask. I have a crazy sim. Okay.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
It's bad. Like, I feel bad saying it. Okay. And I think people might be mad at me for saying it, but I have to. This is wild.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
So because of the SAG Awards, there was a bit in there about Gossip Girl that I wrote. And because of it, I was mimicking the opening of the pilot. So I started the pilot to hear the voiceover to write it.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
So then when I listened, I just kind of had it. I kept it going.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
So I've been watching it at night.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
So I was doing a little rewatch, casual rewatch, which was nice and nostalgic, liked that. And I just got to this part with Michelle Trachtenberg.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
And I was watching... She was on, you know, a bunch of episodes, but this was her first time on it. And I was... And I thought, whoa, I haven't like...
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
seen her in a while and she has a really great part on that show and she plays a horrible villain who is scary and manipulative and scary and so I've been thinking a lot about her and even yesterday I said to Jess I said I'm re-watching Gossip Girl and did you see it Michelle Trachtenberg has such an interesting part in it yeah And then she passed away today.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
It's really sad. I mean, I don't know any of the details.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
I know, me too. We all do, I think. And I mean, when things are ruled out like a car accident or things like that, yeah, we start making.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
Well, you knew him. I mean, that's fair.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
She did have a liver transplant.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
It was really sad. So tragic. And... What? That's so weird. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I haven't thought about her in a really long time. And then yesterday, I said it, said her name out loud for the first time. I...
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
Be careful. That's what Jess said. He says, you really need to be careful.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
So you wish he wasn't even in it?
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
I loved this episode, but I loved what it made me start thinking about and questioning. And I think everyone is overdiagnosed.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
But a seizure is so, I mean.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
Well, she said for some people, it helps to know that that's what's happening. And that makes sense. That's almost like a DBT.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
I wonder how many neurologists... No. I mean, do you think they all know this?
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
So weird. Because like I had not heard that at all. And I had gone to it. It's not like he said, well, let me see if they're psychosomatic. Like that was not a thing.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
Like the over-diagnosis of ADHD.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
Yeah, but also because we just decided what that was. Like, it's not... I mean, epilepsy and diabetes are like clinical and medical. And ADHD is, but now we've diluted it into that like... Everyone has it.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
And that's just personality traits to me. I'm going to get in so much trouble for saying that, but I think a lot of it is us taking personality traits that are like- And making them disorders. Yeah, that are our favorite personality traits and calling it a disorder.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
The bar should be that it's disabling.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
I mean, I think also, unfortunately, that's nebulous. It's for one person, having a diagnosis is probably very helpful. For another, it could get in their way. I mean, it's hard to know.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
It's so personality driven. I mean, I saw my brother last night, which was really nice.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
All time. It was really nice. Yeah. But we talked a little bit about this. I think he felt like he wasn't good at school.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
And then, so then he, I think, subconsciously, and he was like, maybe even a little consciously, just said, fuck it.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
That's possible. I mean, he's, yes, he's so different from me. He made many different choices.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
Yeah. And I don't need, is it fucking them up or just making them, it might just make them have their own, like really feel the need to define themselves.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
And they know they're doing it.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
I guess so. I mean, I think my brother was spared a lot of it because of the eight year gap. Like I was out by the time he was 10, you know.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
They might. Well, they definitely were shocked at what was going on.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
By things that weren't, shouldn't have been shocking.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
So, yes, I do think maybe the bar was set.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
I was like, it's going to be fine. It was building on itself. Like, the more he felt like he wasn't doing the right thing, then he would do something else that was not the right thing and something else and something else. Like, it was, it's, yeah. But you know what's also funny is they were so worried, of course, and he's doing great. Just got a promotion. Like, he's great.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
I know. I agree. And that's also a ding, ding, ding to this episode because that's sort of what she was saying. She's like, the expectation is that everyone's supposed to hit 100 at everything. She's like, it's not realistic. Yeah. And then we say there's a disorder that's causing them to not, you know, reach the highest potential. And it's just like, that's just life.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
No, I know. I know. I agree.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
They don't really. I mean, if we're out at dinner, my dad will get beer. I will get wine normally. My mom sometimes will get a cocktail, like a sugary cocktail.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
Loves the sangria. And my brother will get like a tequila soda or a... Sure, sure. whiskey something you know you and your dad are the drinkers yes yeah yeah and will you and your dad ever get kind of drunk yeah yeah well yeah he does and so i guess i am i'm sure i am too not drunk not drunk but like yeah yeah loose yeah but my mom i'm so critical of my mom
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
And he's so critical of my dad.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
I know it was funny because Jess was there and he was like, oh, a daddy's girl and a mama's boy? Like, duh, classic. Textbook. And my brother was like, oh yeah, I guess it is. It's not special. But yeah, it is.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
It's hard. I mean, my mom and dad are on a cruise right now.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
And they sent a picture, or my mom took a picture and sent it to my brother and I on the group chain. And then I woke up to this, and all I saw was my brother say, why aren't you smiling? And then he had, like, laughing emojis. And I looked, and then, yes, my mom had taken, like, a selfie of her and my dad. My dad is smiling, and she looks...
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
So, yes, I do think that's what it is.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
Of course, my brother is laughing. And I'm like, yeah, why? Can't you just... Why aren't you smiling?
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
Yeah, I had the same reaction. But his is like, he can... He's like, that's silly.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
But I am like... Oh, mom, why? Come on, mom. I know.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
I know, which is exactly what it is. And she said, oh, I wasn't paying attention. And it was like, yes, what do you mean? Like, then it's like, of course you were paying attention because you took the picture.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
They sent another one yesterday and everyone was smiling. Smiling.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
I know. I feel bad. But you know what? This is the way it goes.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
But yeah, so I felt bad about that. But what can we do? Yeah.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
That was nice to spend some time.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
He's off to Big Bear with some friends.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
No. And so, okay, this is another thing. I'm like, why do we do this? Why do we fall into these roles? It's so exhausting. It's so exhausting to be like... I'm nervous about him skiing. I'm nervous about him getting to Big Bear at night.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
Yes, because he's my eight year old young. He's my little brother. Like it's never going away. And we all and he mentioned it to at dinner. He said, you still think of me like that. And I and I said, well, when you're around me, you still act like that. It was a good conversation. We were like smiling, unlike my mom. But because even when he was trying to park, he like called.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
Things he wouldn't do if he was meeting somebody else, he reverted too. We're all reverting.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
You want other people to depressurize you.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
They're just- The North Carolinians?
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
But they're funny. Well, so far.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
But they, I don't think they hate it because if it came from, if it comes from the top down.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
I'm excited to see where this goes, but I'm also confused.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
I know. I think the same thing. I would have never been able to pinpoint that. Unless I, without leaving, that like, oh, I'm just making, I feel like I need to make sure everyone is safe.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
I would never have been able to put two and two together about that.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
Yeah. That's so now that you're saying it like that. I think because, you know, you do, I mean, anthropology and all of these reasons, there's a million reasons why, but you pay attention a lot to status and alpha, beta, all these things. It's very much on your mind a lot and in the way you think about the world.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
But I think that's weirdly... because you are a younger sibling. Like, I don't have that.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
Right. But I don't think, I'm not thinking about that ever though.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
And I'm never thinking like, oh, I'm, And I'm never I just it's not even a part of my processes.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
That's an interesting question.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
Well, depends because it might, I mean, I don't know what you're referring to, but you can tell me, I'm happy to hear it. But- I think what I'm allergic to is people feeling like they are above. Because I'm like, for me, I'm like, I don't understand what that is. We should all be... Like, I don't feel like that around Bill Gates.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
I wasn't like, oh, God, I'm like uncomfortable talking to him or that didn't that doesn't scare me. Well, no, I guess I'm also not trying to get his like approval.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
See, that's where I disagree with you. I don't think literally any topic in the world he has the right to talk the most. On so many topics, he does because he has an expertise there. But I don't—I'm not in a room with somebody and think just because they have— done X, Y, and Z or become this or famous or.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
100% of him and I are talking about his tie that was on the floor, his Tom Ford tie.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
I am more than happy to take up space in that conversation.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
uncomfortable with him having that knowledge and me not. I'm not either. I think it's great. He should keep, let's engage about it.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
But it depends on, I guess it's like if I'm in a one-on-one conversation or the four of us are together.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
If we're in a group dynamic with four people on a plane, it's not like he's, it's not like he's on a stage. No. And he's giving a lecture. This is, these are people in conversation. Yeah. I think it's totally allowed for anyone to ask a question, to bring up a topic, to say a thing.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
I don't think it's like, well, we have to sit here in silence and let Bill just talk for four hours because he's the smartest person here. I don't think that at all.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
Yeah, I don't disagree with that.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
Yeah. I'm not arguing with you about that. But I don't feel inadequate.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
Yeah, but you're saying I'm uncomfortable in those situations, but I don't feel uncomfortable in that situation.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
Yeah, that to me is not that. That's like a human respect thing. That's not about who should have who should have who has knowledge or who has something to say. It's if you're you come to a party and there's no chair for you there. I don't think that's unique in feeling like, ah, that doesn't feel good.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
To be fair, that's not, that hasn't happened.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
It was a. It was a, it was a gala of sorts or something that I was with Kristen.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
She was invited. She told them she was bringing me. She was bringing, I was her assistant at the time. Yeah. So yes, no, I wasn't like, yeah, I should be invited to this gala. That's the difference. I wasn't like, oh yeah, I belong here. I came as her guest.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
And then, yeah, there wasn't a seat, and they had to move one and put one in the middle of the thing, and it was very uncomfortable. Yeah. I wasn't like, well, I deserve to be at this table, and why isn't there a seat for me? It was, oh, my God, this is so uncomfortable. I'm obviously not supposed to be here. It's become way more obvious now that there's a chair—
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
I had a seizure nocturnal. I woke up. I was sleeping by myself. I didn't know, but I was like, I feel crazy. I peed in the bed.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
blocking everybody that they scooted over that mariska hargitay is like you can share my cu with me like that's uncomfortable right that's not because i think i should have been invited all along or i should have been that's there's a difference there i mean maybe you're different i think anyone in that situation i think i have a ton of experience with that situation
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
Yeah, but you don't like it just like I don't. Like if you had gone, if you've even said it, you're like even at the Golden Globes, like when there's a shot on Kristen, what do you do? Do you get in it? Do you stay out of it? It's uncomfortable when you don't know your place. That's normal to think like this is weird.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
It's not new to me either as far as feeling like I'm not enough. Growing up, feeling like I'm not enough.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
Really bad muscle soreness. I thought maybe I had a kidney issue. So I went to the doctor. They took a urine test and they were like, nothing's wrong with your kidneys. We don't know what it is. They gave me a steroid shot for the...
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
So I have to do these things to be enough.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
Yeah, I mean, I don't know anyone who's, I don't think anyone would do that.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
Well, part of it is social awareness. There's social awareness.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
I said everyone should be able to, in a conversation, provide a question, an antidote, not be afraid to talk. I don't think people should be afraid to talk.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
I think you should... No one in any conversation you're having with anyone doesn't matter. Status doesn't matter. Anything. If you're the only one talking, if you're making everything about yourself, if you're that you don't have social awareness, that's a big problem for people. But I don't, the status element of that is, is to me irrelevant. It's understanding a social dynamic when you're in it.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
And being able to read that.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
Yeah, I think chasing it leads people to be crazy.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
Yeah, all that's true. I agree. I think status to me is problematic when you are chasing it And manipulating your way in, it's not by effort or prowess, but by manipulation, you will, you want to be at the top of that totem pole.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
A year goes by. And then I'm on vacation with girlfriends and I have another seizure in sleep again. And they're there. So they see what happened. Then I go to the hospital. They do an MRI. It's all fine. And then when I got back home, I saw a neurologist. He looked at the scans and he said, based on the fact that they were a year apart, they were at night, it's epilepsy.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
Yeah, that's a problem. But there is a huge problem in social climbing. It's disgusting and it is repellent. People who are around it.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
No, what I'm speaking of for a lot of people now is followers.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
Well, in this world, it's connected.
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Suzanne O'Sullivan (on over diagnosis)
You should try to be your best at what you're doing. I agree. Yeah. But I'm talking about social climbing.
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Yeah, or in the world. Like that's the, that's, that you have the most followers or the most approval or the most likes or the most famous friends.
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I agree. When we had... Allison on about conversation and we talked about group conversations. Yes. That's she's like at any given moment, somebody has the status.
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But part of it is understanding everyone does have status in different domains. Even when we talk about like a CEO or something, I actually think it has to be very, you have to be very aware when you are the CEO or the person on top that everyone Everyone defers to you as having the most status because you're in charge.
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But let's say you're talking about something very specific and probably you don't know as much as your employee.
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Okay, hold on. A couple of facts for Suzanne. Okay, sonic weapons. Sonic weapons affect... Can they affect the brain? Yes. Acoustic weapons use sound waves to injure or incapacitate an opponent by emitting very loud noises that they can cause pain, nausea, dizziness, and even permanent hearing loss. You said you wanted one in the bathroom.
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Well, that's good. You fixed your problem. We wouldn't recommend three servings of Metamucil. I think go by the jar.
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And I've been on Keppra ever since. So that was in 2020. So I've been on it for five years. I haven't had one. That's epilepsy. Yeah. Okay.
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No, go by the prescription amount on the jar.
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You do. Just today. Because mine isn't going well today. Teddy Roosevelt did have asthma. As you said, he was a sickly boy.
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Exactly. And then I think his was psychosomatic. Because if he got cured by the ranch, which is outside and lots of dusties, it doesn't make sense.
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Okay, have we reduced the number of amputations from diabetes? Yes, we have. Asterix. Asterix, because care is much better. Right. To catch before you're gonna have to have an amputation. It doesn't mean we've done better, really, as far as lowering diabetes problems by diagnosing it more.
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Yeah. Videos associated with the hashtag autism hashtag accrued 11.5 billion views collectively.
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An examination of the top 133 videos providing informational content on autism, which totaled 198.7 million views and 25.2 million likes, showed that 27% of the videos were classified as accurate. While 41% were classified as inaccurate and 32% as overgeneralized. She got that stat. She nailed it.
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Yeah, exactly. And then she also said one in five people in the world has a mental health diagnosis. Correct again, according to the National Institute of Mental Health.
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United States, one in five adults.
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But there's a high rate of suicide. That's why he's going there.
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Well, they've had a ton of mental health. So then this is another one of the, like, they have mental health stuff a lot.
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The bigger question is, why did you doubt it? I am a hypochondriac. I feel fair to say that.
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But it's not diagnosed, but is that better? Because it's still, it's all the same if people are suffering, I guess.
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Yeah, so one in five adults have a diagnosed mental health condition. I'm in there. So that's it.
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That's it for Dr. Susanna Sullivan.
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Well, now that we know that it could maybe not be.
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So I told a lot of people about this.
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It's good for us to have all the information.
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Yeah.
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You guys probably have little ego that... If you're able to take that from one another.
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Oh, yeah. Another fantastic episode of yours that really turned me on to Costco.
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My favorite company, too.
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So award shows are not making the list there. Oh, award shows do.
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Interesting.
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I don't think of it like that.
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Yeah, let's get back to quiet. Take us to Princeton.
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Was it hard to get this done? Because I'm thinking about now. People are talking now about trying to put more restrictions on some of these things because of CTE. Obviously, that had to come up.
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I bring it up a lot.
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Right. It's just weird to hear that they all came together and they're like, yes, let's do this. And they were able to do it. And now that feels impossible.
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There are many, many deaths.
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Maybe.
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I talk about little brother syndrome.
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Little brother energy.
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You can be a little brother and not have a little brother energy. It's very specific. But yes, this is what it sounds like America was doing.
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APFL.
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APFC. I messed that up.
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Yeah, he real-times.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Yeah, it does. But now we know it's a human name.
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I prefer Stiegel's.
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Great name. I also love these products.
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Yes. I already went through an entire magnesium.
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I blasted through and a vitamin C.
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Quince is amazing.
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I was just in the house, and our friend Anna, she had borrowed a sweater from me. It's blue, and it's from Quince. It's gorgeous, and it fits so well. And when she was wearing it, I was like, I want it back.
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Yeah.
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Positivity.
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Well, because is he just saying, I want to play this team now?
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That's nuts.
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Yeah, that's what I was about to say. It's like the friends deal. Yes. Going in all together.
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Exactly. People start saying, well, I'm...
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It's just like the old adage we hear all the time. The rising tide lifts all boats. It's real.
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Right, exactly. It's like Costco. It's making me feel Costco feelings.
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I can make that happen.
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I know. Even my Hermes hiccup seemed to have made its way back.
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First celebrity athlete. That's wild.
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And I stand by it.
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Right? Thank you.
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But OJ wasn't black. He was OJ.
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Wait, why'd you get in trouble? I was unrelatable.
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I don't have one. That's the whole point. I just want one.
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That's not the same with college.
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They kind of are scripting it in a way with the NFL. They're planning it for that outcome.
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Yeah, it's just a business. We forget because we just think of it as sport, but it's a real business.
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Well, it's that thing. We talk about it all the time. Once you have something to lose, things get harder. They get scarier. They get more stressful. There's a little bit less fun. There's more rigidity. It's tricky.
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We have three episodes a week. And we had five episodes a week up until September. So it's more than a full time.
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Oh, interesting. So they didn't do that evenly.
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This is how it happened. This was so funny. We were at a dinner and we both had these Goyard card case holders, me and this other person. And one was a dupe. And so he was looking at both of them and he goes, you know, the saddle stitch is the most impressive stitch ever. Excuse me? How do you know that? And it was because he had just listened to your episode and he got all of us totally in.
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Yeah, they got to be interesting.
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Yeah.
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That's right.
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He doesn't know who Natalie Portman is.
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It's incredible.
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It's pretty. It's effective. It's effective. Efficient.
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What a cast. I'm so excited to watch this.
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Right?
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Wasn't it so cozy? Everything is so soft and so comfortable and so cute. You know I have a bunch of their products I've acquired over the years, and I love them all, all for different occasions. The bras are really something special because it's really hard to find a good, comfortable bra that's also chic. And they have a really good one, the Fits Everybody T-shirt bra.
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It really does fit everybody. I have gifted this.
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It's a big hit.
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Wait, Sunday night football is different than Sunday football?
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Well, I had the idea to bring them in to do this.
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Oh my God.
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Seven-ish total.
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But then also you do think about that Christmas game and Beyonce. I'm surprised that they haven't done that more. It's only the Super Bowl halftime show.
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So it rotates every year.
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What is this year's?
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It's almost a lost leader.
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Then there's also a cap on that.
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Yeah.
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I guess.
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Doing someone's live podcast.
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We promise.
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You might run out.
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Well, I went to UGA, so I also have a national championship background. I'm just throwing that out there.
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Oh, think about Travis.
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We got to come back to that. He's not getting screwed. So many Kelsey jerseys on children now because of that?
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We've done so much. I see you, another fisherman.
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Aha.
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So everyone has an incentive.
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I was just about to say, I think Americans are so attached to our teams. I think that's a little bit because we don't have a very long history. so we have to build our own allegiances and stuff. And I don't think all these other countries have it, but then I think soccer. I'm wrong.
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I hate Cedar Point now. I'll never go. We should have done it on Cedar Point.
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Yeah, thanks for coming. How fun. Thanks for having us.
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Okay. Well.
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Now, tell me if you've ever experienced this, okay?
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You get a new scratch.
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Yeah.
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And it turns into a scar.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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And then when you look at your arm or hand, wherever the scratch slash scar is, You don't recognize your own self.
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Oh, okay.
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Yeah, I have a new scar.
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I do often try to remove my own freckles. You're one to talk.
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You try to do lots of surgeries on yourself.
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Well, it is. I mean, I'm not advising it.
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But I've successfully completed many.
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No, this is not that. This was a scratch or something. I don't know what happened there. But I guess I must have picked at it. And now it's a scar.
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Do you see it? Well, now it has a little makeup on it because this is where I put my makeup.
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In fact, now it's like, now it looks like I'm lying.
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I know. It's huge.
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Don't, that's not what happened. That is not what happened. It was a scratch.
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I'm going to try to avoid that. Although it's, look, aging is normal and natural.
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Ideally, yeah. But anywho, so now when I'm like typing, it's on my hand. I see it all the time. And I'm like, who, who, Is she?
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Yeah, it's an opportunity for reinvention.
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Yeah, they do. No one. Maybe that's why Jan's going so slow. Jan Brady. January.
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Absolutely. Well, I've been calling her Jan.
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And then he added Brady.
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One more day. We can make it through.
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We can. Yeah, we can.
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Yeah, and it's an indicator.
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Oh, you're replacing.
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Okay, I think you're going to need a new replacement because soon you're not going to have any hair.
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It's so interesting. I don't care about NFL history. When they suggested it, I thought that's a good idea for timing, but I don't, I'm not that, I wanted the row. Sure. But you know what? It was so fantastic. And I was talking about it all night at your party.
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Yeah.
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There's a lot of people in this area.
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Your hair looks nice, though. Okay, good. You did a good job.
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You're always within an arm's length.
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I know. I appreciate it.
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Okay. So maybe with your gusher, you're going to start understanding what I'm talking about, about the scar.
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When you get a glance of it, you might be like, whose ear is that?
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Speaking of people watching you do weird things, yesterday I was at Sunset Tower. That's a very fancy location in this city.
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And I love it. Yeah. It's from Sarah Hendler.
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And she put it on me. And so then when I got to Sunset Tower, I was like, oh, I'm going to try to tighten it a little bit, like move it up a rung. Okay. So I took it off and then... I spent, I think, like 20 minutes trying to get this bracelet back on my hand. I could not do it.
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Do you mind helping me with this? I did think it could be a meet-cute situation.
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And then the universe is wily, right?
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Yeah. I was thinking about that and meet-cutes. And guess who reached back out?
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The matchmaker.
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People remember it didn't, last time didn't go great. And I felt... Bad about yourself. Yeah.
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I did. I felt bad about myself.
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And this one seems more promising.
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Less, less like conducive to me feeling like I hate myself.
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So we'll see.
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Since I sat at the bar, I couldn't really look, but I'm sure there's fancy people there. There always are.
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Navaco, no.
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Mediterranean and Italian.
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Yeah.
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Where people were dressed. I got to be careful.
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Uh-huh. I can picture it.
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And were they wearing chains maybe?
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Yeah, yeah.
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It's kind of like Nobu in a way.
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That's fun.
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Oh.
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Tiny chicken?
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Not a Cornish hen.
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They don't need to call it that. That is not as appetizing.
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Right, exactly.
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It's fun to do that every now and then and get in the scene.
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It is. That's why it's not a main stop for me. But I love Sunset Tower.
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I only go like once a year, twice a year.
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Also, the food is very good. I had a fried chicken. Ooh. And it was really delicious. They have a great shrimp crock.
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It was full size, I think.
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Yeah. It's also such a vibe. It is, for people who don't know, it's a hotel here. Sunset Tower Hotel. Very historic. And then there's a bar and a restaurant. It's very L.A. Old school L.A. Old Hollywood vibes.
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It got packed. Yeah. See, I went at 2.30.
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I didn't mean to, but we left at 8.
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So we were there all day. I've been craving it for a while, the energy there.
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Oh.
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Do you think that maybe now is not the time for you to be like cutting out caffeine?
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Yeah, that's a rookie mistake.
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Oh, okay.
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Yeah. I just, I think taking away things that you like.
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Exactly.
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It's like maybe now is not the time.
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Okay.
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That's all right.
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All that's fine.
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I guess those were big announcements that I already gave.
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I took a long time to put my bracelet on. Yeah.
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Yeah. When Julia got there, she did it.
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No.
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I know, but it's also so... I'm so sorry.
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Sure, because he's going to have a hard time too. It's much harder than you'd think.
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Okay.
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You were wingmanning.
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Yeah, he's going to have to talk.
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It's so weird to be an adult.
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Right. Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Well, that's, yeah. Speaking of young men, Ben and David.
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That was a very fun time.
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And now I'm really into the NFL as an institution.
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Yeah, as a business.
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Yesterday, I bought some vintage clothes and bought an L.A. Rams. There's an L.A. Rams vintage shirt.
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And I got that because now I really like the L.A. Rams because they were really ahead of. their time progressively.
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Yeah.
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And I live here.
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Well, let's see. The biggest fact to check and the most exciting fact to check is Taylor Swift's car collection.
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Very. Does she have a car collection? I was a definite no.
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And I felt very arrogant, in my opinion, because I feel like I know everything about her.
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Only because I listen to a great podcast, Every Single Album, shout out, that breaks down all of her albums. And they do other people too. And they also just do like music industry stuff. And the two hosts are really awesome. Yeah. So I love that. So now I feel like I know everything because they do deep dive, but I don't think they've talked about her car collection.
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They skipped that part. So she does have one.
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Okay. There are three sections of cars she has. Okay. Luxury, sports, and practical. Okay. Luxury. Mercedes AMG G63.
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a mix.
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Is that a sedan or a?
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Oh, I thought it was a G-Wagon.
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That's what I said.
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G-Wagon.
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I would like to have one in my life.
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At some point.
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Are they me, though? But kind of.
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Really? She also has Mercedes-Benz S-Class.
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Right. Then she has a Mercedes-Maybach S650.
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Then there's the Cadillac Escalade.
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Yeah. Special occasions. Okay. Now we're into sports cars.
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Audi R8.
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Oh, all right.
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Okay.
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It does say right here, a high performance super car.
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This is V8.
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You'll get her.
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Okay. Okay. Now she also has a Ferrari 458 Italia.
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Yeah.
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Is it sexy?
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Italian stallion?
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Oh, wow. Yeah. Yeah. I'm looking it up. It is. It looks fast.
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Oh, that's a great question.
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That's awesome. Okay, then she has a Porsche 911 Turbo.
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Yeah, it needs to be higher if it's not.
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Okay.
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And that tracks. I know more women with Porsches.
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Oh, that's the electric one?
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Wow.
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Okay.
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Practical vehicles.
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She has a Toyota Sequoia.
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She has a Chevy, which we hope is like 150. Yeah. It'll run that long.
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Chevy Silverado, her first car, which she still keeps.
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And then the Nissan Quashquai. That's Q-A-S-H-Q-A-I. She has that.
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She has it.
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No, she just loves it.
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Okay, but actually, according to this other site, her very first car is a pink truck. That's very cute. Another site has a little bit of a different opinion on what she has, but a lot of these are crossing over. So I feel good about that.
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The Ferrari, the Porsche, they're all on here. Okay, good. The Sequoia, the AMG, the Nissan Quashquai.
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Mm-hmm.
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I hope she arrives in it. That would be great. And she probably will because it says the everyday humble choice. Oh. It's her latest acquisition. She can move her discreetly.
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In London. It says in London specifically.
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Yeah. But don't go looking for, I know, don't go looking for her quash quies and try to find her. She's just trying to live. She's just trying to be.
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You can design something for her. You've been designing cars with AI.
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That's fun.
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Okay, do players get a cut of their jersey sales? Yes, NFL players receive a cut of their jersey sales. Players receive royalties based on how many of their jerseys have sold. These royalties come from group licensing deals negotiated through the NFL.
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So, that's cool. Action Park, I don't believe, is the... park based on Adventureland because it says Adventureland is based on the real life Adventureland Park in Farmingdale, New York.
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Action Park is in New Jersey.
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Oh, five to 10 victims daily.
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Emergency room.
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Yeah. Maybe that's what it was all about.
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Yeah, that was a great episode.
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And all I got was this little t-shirt.
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Well, that's it for Ben and David. They were awesome.
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Really fun.
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Yeah, me too.
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Oh, fun.
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Love you.
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Oh.
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No.
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Ohio State. We're going to keep that in because of you coming through.
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That's awesome.
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The 14th is our actual anniversary of the first episode out. Our first recording, I don't know.
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Which turned into arguing about just everything.
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Everyone should listen to the Costco episode and be reminded what a beautifully run business.
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That's a good answer.
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Very ethical. Lots of integrity. And it's such a good company. And now I'm obsessed with it.
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I got to listen to every single one of these.
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Exactly.
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I'm not going to take credit for that. It was my idea to bring them in to do an episode for us, and then they brilliantly came up with that.
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Of course, I threw out the row.
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No, but you know, they have a great episode on Taylor Swift. Oh, yeah.
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That's probably right. She should.
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I mean, we will be interjecting because we can't help ourselves.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
There wasn't a consistency there. You saw everything go away. So I can imagine that makes you feel like anything can go away at any moment.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
I know, but the problem is you get the bicycle, and then it doesn't work. No, exactly. It doesn't work. It's the fantasy of Will. Or you go skiing, and it doesn't work. Then you're like, well, now what?
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
You manifested that.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
And how did that go? You guys were outside for a few minutes. Did you like them?
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Okay. She's from Scotland.
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So your kids, there's no question, but they have to try this.
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Now she's moved on to her mother's dream. She's doing musical theater.
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It looks like confidence.
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He's a worthy crush. Oh, my God. He was fantastic. He had such a fun personality. I was very surprised.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Yeah, exactly. I will say with the privilege thing, though, I think privilege is not the right word. I mean, it's the easy thing that's been spread around, but it's more benefit of the doubt. It's like white benefit of the doubt. really is what it is.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Yeah, I got a present three years in.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
You say that all the time about not wanting models, but you did try it. Oh yeah, yeah.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Yeah, that's a man to man thing.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Well, he's very fashionable.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
God, isn't it funny though? You can be the absolute best at what they do. The top of their field. They're both the best ever statistically. They're phenoms. And yet they want to be the best at something else. Like we are not satisfied as people.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Was your answer happiness or was it success?
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
You're like, me too.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Can we give some context for people who don't know?
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Yeah, because there's all these hot boys driving around.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
It's part of it for sure. It doesn't hurt. It's definitely part of it.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Louis is gorgeous. They're all gorgeous.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
The women do. They're like, that's my guy. That's my guy.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Yeah. Oh, yeah. Also, that show is just so well done. Yeah. They really get you invested.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
He's not human. He's like, it's a different thing. No, it's a deity.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
But yeah, other than that, that's sort of where it ends.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Great ending. That's right. That was great.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
No, it was great. It's great.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
You already did, though.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
That's so true. You have the whole story.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Yeah, it's officially festive time.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Lowest you've ever been. I mean, I took a shower.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Normally that wakes me up, but yeah, it's early for the listener.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
It's nine. That doesn't feel that, that doesn't sound that early.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
We were out and up late.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
What time did I leave? Like 10? I think I left around 10. And then I had a little work to do. And then I had to work on today's gift guide.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
I had to do a lot at night.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
I probably fell asleep at like 1230. Oh, okay.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
No, I made a huge mistake yesterday. So when we were on the group chat, the girls group chat, figuring out timing for Thanksgiving.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Kristen wrote, come over around 12 and we'll eat around four.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
And I read, I don't know what happened. I read that as... Come at four. Like I missed the 12 part. Oh, wow. So I thought it was arrival time was four, which I did kind of think was late. Yeah. I didn't love that choice.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Yeah. But I thought, oh, she just wants it to be fast. So, okay. And then I can't.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
It's not that I was like, oh, it's bad. She wants it over fast. It was just like, oh, maybe I don't know. There's a million reasons that it could be. So I just... I just didn't want to question it. So then I planned my whole day around a four o'clock.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Yeah. So what did that mean? I had to make two dishes.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Two sets of potatoes. One sweet. One mashed. And I was editing an episode. And I had a whole plan. I was going to, like, wake up leisurely and edit this episode.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Laura texted and said, based on Cece, her baby's nap time, she said she'll probably be around 1. And I was like, 1? She's going to come three hours early? Yeah. What's she thinking? Because of the baby? So then I scrolled up and I saw... And at this point, it was...
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Sorry, that must be a kid or my wife. Let's see which one. Feel free to answer. We also edit.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Okay. So you went into a panic.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
But I got there at 230.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Oh, I hate when that happens.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Even though you knew everyone was coming.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
That's funny because. I mean, I guess it's the same thing you're thinking about me reading Kristen's text, but that feels outrageous to me because the only people there were our friends. So no one would ever, no one thinks like that when it's just the pod. If it was a random party, yes.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
This is the problem with the girls only being on the text.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Yeah. And do you think most friend groups it's like that? It's just the women chitter chattering. Yeah.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Yeah, I love that. You're keeping it up.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
You make the decision for the group.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
That's fine. There's two ways of being.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Well, that makes sense.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
No. For Thanksgiving.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
No, she has to tell us because we're all cooking stuff.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
What'd you cook? Shitty biscuits.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Like four probably.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
You cook the most in your house. Yeah. But everyone was making a lot of things and you have to plan it time-wise because of oven times. Do you need to arrive with it hot? You have to know what time dinner is starting.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
It's fine. It's all fine. Yeah, it's the way it's supposed to be, really.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Well, that's funny because on a previous Fightless Bird, we did talk about, like, arrival times and being late and parties.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Because David was acknowledging, oh, it looks like in America people arrive late.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Think about any party, like a Halloween party. You don't go at the time.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
But then people will come at 11. Yeah.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Yeah. Well, technically, I was actually an hour and a half early.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Two and a half hours late to the hang time. Yeah.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
That's how we normally do. We just roll in and roll out.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Were you sitting on the couch like,
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Beautiful Thanksgiving.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
I can guess yours. You played volleyball.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Yeah, that's so cute.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Yeah, and acting like you're a part of it.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Yeah. Yeah. My favorite was secret turkey. Secret. That's always so lovely.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
It is. It's getting out of control.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
My do not disturb was on. And guess who's changed all her ways?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Because you say one mean thing, one critical thing.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
She made such a cute one.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Yeah. These presents took forever. Yeah.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
I did. I made it. No, to Amy.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
So I bought these little boxes.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
I purchased the cardboard boxes.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
So I assembled all of them and then I made them into a Christmas tree shape.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
A lot of them are made into Christmas tree shapes. Not all. Some of them are rectangles, but I wanted to make it festive. And so I drew on each one. I drew like the number and I drew all over each box. And after the third box, I thought, I am not going to make it. I can't do it.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Yeah, it was huge. It didn't fit in a trash bag.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
That wasn't a cheat. That was, I knew you would think that. Oh my God.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
I actually anticipated Eric was going to say this out loud.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
You didn't even let me finish. Okay. The reason the bottom is just the bottom row 22, 23, 24 was out of brown marker and it just said it. But that's because that's the stump.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
That's the stump. The rest is the tree. The top had a star on it.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Because you're, oh my God, you're so gaslighting. You're like, I see you phoned it in. I don't know why you're upset about that.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
That was the stump.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
And after the third one, I thought, I can't do this anymore. This is...
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
And then I thought, this is for Amy. She's an angel. She's a true angel on earth. Okay. She deserves this. So it was a five-day project.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Yeah, you didn't. I did not.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Anyway, I glued all the boxes together.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
I tried Elmer's. It didn't work. I had to use Gorilla and Super.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Yes. And then I glued all of that to a piece of cardboard. And then I had to X-Acto knife around it.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
I bought an X-Acto knife.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
No, some of them are Postmates.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
No, but I use materials I have purchased from Blick before.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Anyway, it was really fun. And then I had to fill each box up.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Oh, these are real treats.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
I'd be careful. I'd be careful with giving him that. Also, you can't ignore calls then. If Kristen calls, you can't say, oh, I didn't get it.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
OK, Amy, if you're listening. No, because this is hers. It goes all the way through December. Her calendar. So Amy is listening because she's, as I said, an angel. She listens to everything. So please cover your ears. Turn this off.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
It is. Okay. So both of you fast forward a couple minutes. So yeah, there's like, well, she opened one. We let her open one. It was a sheep ornament.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
I got her like a little lip, cute little like lipstick, some measuring spoons. Oh, fun.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Well, every other one is a real present. Okay. There's like a really cute wine.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Two teas. Oh. Fancy teas.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Yeah, she has a tea drawer, so I figured she could make her tea drawer cute.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
It took a really long time. Plus then the purchases, plus the, yeah, it was an adventure.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
They all did paintings.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
It was a collage. It was very, very, very good.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
You drew a lot of things that were Matt. Matt's favorite things.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
I know. It was very cute. And you framed it.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Wow. Wow. That's great. What a good hobby.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Maybe just check your time zone.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
I'm having stress for everyone's time zones.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
It's a very cute sweatshirt.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
And everyone's seen the mouse at this. Well, not everyone, but a lot of people have seen the mouse at this point because it has appeared on my gift guide.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Did you read Substack or did you read just Instagram? Oh, you read the whole thing. Yeah. The joke about Kristen on the phone?
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
I don't remember. Day one was a while ago. Blowing out all of her candles. Oh, yeah.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
I think it was just festive.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
How'd she buy a light thing? She bought it off Amazon?
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
That's right. It should probably go in here.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
If you missed that episode with Matthew McConaughey, that was the first time he was on.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
I think that's a good idea, yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Well, yeah, because I mean, I guess he'll be like for Thanksgiving. I mean, you might have to explain the whole thing.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
You would love it. And I think he would love it.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Rob put a box by my head.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Wait. What? Oh, my God. Sweet. Stop.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Celebs on sandwiches. This is so flattering.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
And it's an Emily burger?
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
You told them that, right? Yeah, that was perfect.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
That my mouth looks big?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
I could see that. I actually think it's pretty good. It's outrageously good. Like accurate.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
I mean, I look like her. This is so flattering. Celebs on Sandwiches.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
I mean, I've got gifted this a few times to people. It was on my, I think, original gift guide, Celebs on Sandwiches. My original.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Wow, how sweet. Okay, well, that's really flattering. Thank you so much on sandwiches.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
It's incredible. It's gorgeous.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Yeah, it was beautiful.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
I think this should live here.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
I have a lot of art.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
So it's not- It'll get lost in the shelf. It's not that the only art I have is- We have a whole wall that's just you. Like you did.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Yeah. When you lived alone.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
It happened. I know.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
I know. I didn't have a family or anything. So I feel like you're projecting a little bit of your own.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
So this is going to live here. Yeah.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Okay, well, yeah, Thanksgiving was a big hit. I'm really thankful to our arm cherry. I mean, Thanksgiving is in the past now, but I'm still thankful to our listeners, our beautiful arm cherries. Me too, me too. We're so lucky. And this is for Toto.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
You wanted to talk about Macs.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
And I told you to wait till this week because Toto.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Oh, so cool. Congratulations to Max. Congratulations to Toto for being.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Also, I love Toto. Absolutely loved him. He was such a, he was so much more playful than I anticipated.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
And I enjoyed him so much. So now I'm for team, because now that Danny isn't on racing, I don't have anyone to root for. So now I root for Mercedes because of Toto.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
So I'm going to buy a hat. It also makes sense.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
No, I don't. Okay. Now some facts. He brought up Nikki Lauda.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
It's a hard word to say or a hard name to pronounce. Lauda.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
D-A. It's spelled correctly. It's just like, it seems like you're being pretentious, but you're not.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Okay, he is Austrian.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
No, we already did.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
It wasn't better the second time. It was great the first time.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Oh, my God. Okay. Now, he competed in Formula One from 1971 to 1979 and from 1982 to 1985. He won three Formula One Drivers' Championship titles and at the time of his retirement held the record for most podium finishes, 54. He remains the only driver to have won a World Drivers' Championship with both Ferrari and McLaren and won 25 Grand Prixs across 13 seasons.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Yeah. He's passed. He passed in 2019. He died in his sleep at 70, where he had been undergoing kidney dialysis. He had experienced a period of ill health exacerbated by his lung injuries from the 1976 accident. He had a double lung transplant the previous year and kidney transplants in 97 and 2015. His body really went through it.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Did you just kiss your hand?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Did you just kiss your hand?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Will you see people with that?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
But I know, I know.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
You'd rather smell something?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
I understand. I do. I do. It's not. Well, it's funny to me that you'd rather smell it because I think what's gross is I do think it has a smell.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Yeah. All right. So he was 70 and, but he lived, he lived a life doing what he loved. Oh, when I thought you were kissing, I thought you were giving him like.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
I do too. Yeah. But I feel really, can you knock on wood? Because I feel like we shouldn't have just done that a few times.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Yeah. He made a portrait of Cece out of candy.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Because he used white saltwater taffy for the face.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
But there was also a resemblance to her. I know. It was... It was pretty good.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
I know, but it wasn't. It was a sweet portrait made of candy by Eric, and he put a lot of time into it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
The person has to curse it. Eric didn't curse it. That's how spirits work.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Okay. Speaking of, Detroit versus Austria homicides. The city, city of Detroit finished 2023 with 252 homicides, which is the fewest recorded since 1966. We like that. That's great. Great trajectory.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Now, there isn't any information about Austria in 2023, but there is 2017. There probably hasn't been a murder since 17. Exactly. There were 54 intentional homicides in Austria.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
In the whole country in 2017. Although now I'm looking at the word intentional.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
What about if you're shooting and hunting, if you're hunting in Detroit and you, not a lot of, I know, but that would count if you accidentally killed someone.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
It would be accidental. No, I know. But I'm saying in the Detroit one doesn't say intentional. So maybe they're including accidentals.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
All right. Okay. Isle of Man is a self-governing British crown dependency in the Irish Sea between England and Ireland. And then, yes, it has this big race that is a big deal, annual cross-country motorcycle race.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Well, that's it for Toto. He was lovely and I really, really enjoyed him.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Sometimes they have like 20% offs in certain stores. We go to Brownwood Country Mart and it's very, very, very fun. And I'm so excited to go do that with her.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Just a few. And then we'll come back and then we're going to go to a Rolling Greens, the plant store and get some Christmassy items too.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
No, no. We don't always drink.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
No. We'll probably get coffee and then we get lunch. So when we get lunch, sometimes there's wine at lunch, but it's not like, we're not like carrying around flasks. Oh, you're not?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
No, but I'm excited for that. And then tomorrow is pig day. I get my Christmas tree.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
It's my favorite stretch of the year.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
I'm excited. And it's sort of a ding, ding, ding because it's like F1. Oh. F1 race is kind of like this stretch of the year. Final lap.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Also, on my gift guide that I put out today, I included an F1 coffee table book.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
F1, the impossible. No, no.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
My, all of them, each gift guide this year, there are five of them.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
No, the first one was the time traveler's wife.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Then it was Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow, my favorite book. Those are more mundane items. Uh-huh.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Well, it's about this, these gamers, but the title to me represents like, it's just day after day after day. Okay. So it's mundane items. Then it was for Little Fires Everywhere. That was a candle theme. Yes. And today was Little Prince.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Tomorrow, do you want to hear? Lord of the Rings.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Next year. Oh, okay. I was only five days. Well, sure. Go ahead. Let's see.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
It would be armchair themed.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Mice and men. So it would have our holiday sweater on it. It would have celebs on sandwiches.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
It would have ember mugs.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Oh, so I almost put salty sea dog mugs, but they're sold out and it felt uncomfortable. Well, it's like a waste.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
I did put a candle on that's always sold out too, but I had to.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
And one of the gifts for that will also be Bax cashmere sweater. That's a long game. It's like they sign up and they get it in 50 years. So I did it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
It is getting smaller. I know. You need to add some.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Well, you're mourning twice. First, you mourn them with the diagnosis, but they're dead essentially before they're dead because they changed completely.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
It's hard to deal with. They've been gone for a while. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
Well, in the meantime, Herman's working on it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
It is. And our frontal lobes aren't even developed until 25, so it takes us 25 years.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
I'm glad that you allowed it because we all got to learn.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
Or you become a tech. Bro.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
That's working out pretty well for a lot of them, actually.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
Dax is getting a new tattoo, and Rob is.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
I don't know enough about these types of things.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
Wow, that is cool. Isn't that cool?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
Is it because they are expending so much energy that the body is figuring out a way to conserve the oxygen?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
Is some of it, though, do we think chicken or the egg a little bit? At this point, I think if you're in certain parts of the country, you don't want to be associated with liberal elite institutions. We've created it as like us, them.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
Hermann, did you make him up?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
Okay, wonderful. This is great.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
Yeah. I want to see what's changed.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
Like around 47 or 48, which is earlier than.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
Because the numbers are exactly. You won.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
Really good name. A really cool guy.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
There's a thing about everything being natural and non-toxic.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
But a lot of people really think that it causes the person to change. I know someone who is an anti-vaxxer and they were describing seeing someone get vaccinated. And the way they were describing it, they were like, I saw a shift in their eyes. Yeah.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
Yeah, exactly. They were smiling. No, it was wild. And I believe that that's what they saw in their head. That's fair. I don't know how to tell someone like, no, you didn't.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
Your reality is fine, but when it starts impacting other people's realities, that's where I think we have to say no.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
So that's close, but not exactly.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
Yeah, it's really cool.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
But yesterday, the weather was awful. Top tier, gorgeous. And I was exhausted.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
Oh, I thought just the mention of the boat was mechanical.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
Wow. Okay. Can't wait.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
But I want to talk about my toilet.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
So my plumber is at my house doing some repairs. Now, I had to leave in the middle. And of course, I'm... That's a tricky sitch. It's a tricky sitch. What do you think about that?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
It's not ideal, right?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
Either do I. And he's a very nice man.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
No, he's come over before. He's like the building plumber.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
I'm not too worried. I just, you know, it is weird to leave your apartment or house and leave a stranger in there.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
I don't think I'd recommend it, but it is what I did. And I do feel a little uneasy about it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
I don't know. There's nothing even specific. It just feels weird.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
Yeah. And I already have anxiety, as we talked about.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
I have anxiety today.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
Yeah. I heard a very sad story. Yeah. I'll tell it. I'll tell it quickly. You told that. I can tell this.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
Sad that I had to listen to it. Okay. Okay. So yeah, there's a makeup influencer that I follow that I really like that she had a new makeup video. So I clicked it and it wasn't a makeup video. It was a very sad story about someone passing away and her family suddenly and unexpectedly. Very sad. So then I just started, this is how my brain works, right? Like sometimes something will happen.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
It's not every time. Sometimes I'll hear a story or something will happen sort of in the zeitgeist or in the news that will spark like a spell of anxiety for me.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
And, and I, And it's just like everything comes to the surface of all the bad stories I've ever heard, the scary stories, the unexpected.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
Like the way life is so scary and unfair.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
Thank you, me too. Yeah, so my brain is filled with a lot of bad stories right now. And then I try to tell myself like, This is what happened. You heard this story and it's why you're feeling like this and it's okay. But I'm also like, I'm pretty smart. So when I say it's okay. Yeah.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
You start poking holes in it.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
It's like there's a dumb, you know, when people have angel and devil on their shoulder, mine's like, I have a stupid mouse and a smart mouse.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
And holding a little pet, like a quill.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
Yeah. And the stupid mouse is just wearing undies.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
And she says, the stupid mouse is like, it's Monica. It's fine. It's going to be okay. And then the smart mouse is like, what makes you think it's going to be okay? It's not okay. This is life. This is what happens.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
Thank you. Thank you.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
Oh, saying like we understand that there's differences between races.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
,,,,,,, No, because she feels like that's a huge betrayal. So she feels like the hospital can't like get him arrested.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
The husband has passed away.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
Now, so then they're like, okay, maybe, but then they have to figure out a way to talk to him. And like, that's complicated. And essentially he runs away. Out of the hospital. He flees. He flees. And then Dr. Robbie, Noah Wiley, he goes chasing him.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
He's so hot. And he can't find him. But he has like a list. The older mother found this list of girls he had. like written about. And so Dr. Robbie is like not, he's kind of taking it seriously.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
He's kind of taking it seriously, but he's like, I don't really want to, if I go to the police and ruin this boy's life for no reason, you know, that's his whole thing.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
Now, I don't want to spoil. Okay. If you're, if you're watching the pit and you're not caught up, pause right now.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
We talked about it and it was really interesting.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
So then they get to come to the surface.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
Or fast forward. By the end. Pausing won't help you.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
There's a mass shooting.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
And obviously it's, we're meant to believe it's this kid.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
Of course, red herring.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
Yeah. And I don't know if that's the way it's going to go, but the things you do for your kids, like, tell me, please, if, if you, I mean, yeah, it's not going to work for your kids. Cause it's like, we know them, we know them. So it's trickier, but let's, let's play it.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
I think we have to play because I think everyone thinks this about their kid, that their kid is incapable of doing something really, truly horrendous.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
Okay. Well, then let's say that you found a list of kids in the class.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
What if it says, like, I want to kill them and it's a list?
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
What would you do? Um...
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
Well, how fast are you going to move? That day? Because, like, I think if they have this, like, need to kill.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
Oh, I guess I don't know enough about that. To know if that's true.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
We'll know about like what the police could do preemptively.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
I mean, if they have a list like that, I think they could arrest them. I don't know if you can arrest them based on that. I don't know, actually. I think you could because it's premeditated.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
No, it's not attempted.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
Well, it is going to help protect the other kid.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
I just think removing her from the situation isn't going to – so, yes, I guess it would protect those kids maybe. I mean, she might just, like, leave and go kill them. Like, how can you know for – just because you moved.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
Okay, but what if then she kills at the, oh, you said you're going to do a personal.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
But like, I don't think you really did. Like in real life, if you moved some states over, unless you like literally kept her in her bedroom.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
She's going to be out in the world.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
The therapy is going to be interesting.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
I think that is a possibility.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
Yeah. But I guess if I had a kid at that school... And my kid was on that list.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
You then just taking her away, I don't think would cause me much peace. I think I would have more peace knowing that kid was in juvie versus their parents decided to take them a couple states over and like take it on and get therapy. Like, look.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
Five states over. And also, I am conflicted because also I agree that I think like a good therapist and a different, you know, a safer environment for that kid is actually going to probably result in a better outcome for that kid.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
Like, I get that. And I get, if that's my kid, I'm like, fuck that. That kid needs to be away. And like, oh, that's it.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
Well, all of it's temporary. If you go and you take your kid there, again, they're not going to like live in their room for another 50 years.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
Yeah. So I guess, yeah, I would feel like I think there needs to maybe be some putting away during that time.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
I don't think I'd be able to like kill another innocent person. I don't think I could do that.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
What if, okay. Uh-oh. What if at the grocery store. Yeah. She pulls a gun.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
Oh, I hate this story. Yeah. Okay, yeah, she has a firearm. She hates the grocer.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
No, there's something about his face she just really doesn't like.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
Okay. And she pulls out a gun and is about to shoot him.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
No, no, no. This is the grocer then pulls out a gun.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
That one's really hard. It is, right?
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
Would you ever maybe shoot her in the foot?
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
So that like she drops her gun?
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
Okay, that's your plan.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
But also, he is a gun to your kid. Yeah.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
Sorry, you started this, I think.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
No, but they used that poison a lot.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
Can you fucking believe that's what they... Yes, they do this.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
Yeah, it's horrifying.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
Yeah, me too. Yeah. But he's inflicting harm.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
Now, do you think I could go to jail for saying that I want Putin dead?
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
But it's kind of the same as the boy saying.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
Well, actually, no, not currently. Why? Our government is not anti-Putin.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
Our leader who makes all the decisions.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
All right. Let's do some facts.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
I loved Herman. Learned a lot. Okay. Gigantopithecus.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
I have largest ape to ever live. Estimated to have stood about 10 feet tall and weighed over 500 pounds. Wow.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
And when you do your time machine, you could go back and see one.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
It says they're wandering the thick forests of ancient China during the last ice age. So you'd have to go back there.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
You wouldn't feel scared and threatened?
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
Because you're just like, you're like a little piece of bread. Okay. Now, malnutrition. Okay. Is bad for you. Yeah. School-aged children who suffered from early childhood malnutrition have generally been found to have poor IQ levels, cognitive function, school achievement, and greater behavioral problems than matched controls and, to a lesser extent, siblings.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
The disadvantages last at least until adolescence.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
Yeah, at least. They're not going to get better.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
That's when your brain is so mushy. Yeah. just trying to form is all it's not a fair planet see see that's what the smart mouse says uh-huh it's not a fair planet probably not okay that's it that was it okay that was light Quite easy.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
We like Herman and we like each other.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
Gigantopithecus? All right. Love you, pal.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
He's the first one to walk on two legs.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
Oh, he just showed Britannica. He doesn't want that. They got their own sponsor.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
Not everyone knows about Lucy.
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Herman Pontzer (on evolutionary anthropology)
Think of a woman to want, yeah.
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Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
I think, too, probably the the way it also really shaped me was the kind of Germanic background. And I think that kind of German Jew identity, it's like you're German before you're Jewish.
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You know, so where other cultures, your Jewish identity, you may lead with that. There's this, I'm probably going to botch it up, which you can fact check later, Monica.
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I'll do them. I was like really authoritatively saying something. You'd be like, she's wrong.
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Yeah. It's a saying of the tallest poppy gets cut off first, some version of that. And so that was, I was kind of raised with one parent who that was their, you know, don't make waves.
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Sort of blend in, hide, don't try to be special. And then I had another parent who came from Russian background, but my grandmother was Russian, but raised in China. And then my mom was actually raised in Tokyo and my aunt was born there. So I have this very eclectic family background. And I think from my mom's side, it was very much about trying to find your specialness.
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Yes. And so, and she lost her dad at a very early age. So she was 15. So both my parents had these big life changes at 14 and 15. My dad moving from his home country of El Salvador, where he was born to German parents and my mom losing her dad when they were living in Tokyo.
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It was kind of always these conflicting messages, which really played into my self-worth and self-esteem that was low.
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probably applicable to the way a lot of people are moving through the world right now. And she's just really the best.
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Yes. In the last few years, it's just started to become really clear to me around a lot more brokenness that I had from much younger years, which makes sense as to why I sort of already liked a boy in kindergarten.
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No, I mean, I think very much for me, it's been, especially the last few years has felt a bit like memento where I just gone, well, why would I have made those choices at that point? Like that makes no sense for a 14 year old to do that. So there must've been something before that. And then it's kind of like, okay, but I was also doing that at this age and this age and this age.
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And why, why when I was 13, did I have a boyfriend that I broke up with? Because I thought it wasn't real because we didn't fight. Yeah.
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I don't know. I've never thought of it in the terms of trauma before, but there's always hard stuff. Everyone has hard stuff.
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Good question. Probably both. I think both. There are a lot of behaviors that I engage in, which drive me crazy. And even when I think they like, oh, I've therapized this out. I'm not going to do this again. I'm more mature. And then you catch yourself and you're like, wow, here we are again. I'm doing this thing that I thought I would never fucking do. And I'm doing it. Yay me.
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But I think the other part of it that comes with that, which is interesting, and I don't know if you've experienced this, which is. There's sort of that side of you, which is sort of stays with it or is tenacious or doesn't give up, which can drive you crazy in certain situations. It's also the thing that saves you. It's also the thing that's part of your resilience.
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And so that, you know, you keep showing up, you get out of bed, all of those things. And so I think that's where it's one of the things in this. Last stint with the therapist I've been with for the last five years that she's really gotten me to see if sort of trying to recognize, you know, all these things that I would beat myself up with, that there can be this side which has helped me survive.
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And so I need to hold both of them. And as much as I may disdain some aspect of one thing, I have to respect the other too.
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I think underneath everything with some sort of fantasy is actually hope. There's this strange alchemic combination of emotions one has when you have to survive something painful, whether that's just a breakup or world public humiliation, which is... You know, sort of the, you need a little bit of denial.
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You've got to have a little bit of resilience, but then there's also the pain that you're feeling. So I do think that sometimes what can happen is that it is a self-preservation mode that you're, some part of you recognizes, I actually can't contain this much pain in this moment. I have to chop it up into little pieces now.
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Yeah, I did think, oh, that was really early. I don't know how it's going to hold up. But she, I just think she's worth a listen if you haven't heard it or a re-listen if you have.
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But I just wanted to say that. No, no, no. I'm glad you did. I think that's that's really important. I think what becomes challenging for us in sort of public conversations is that. you'll have people using the same language for two different reasons.
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And so I think you could have somebody who might come out and say whatever they're admitting to, and they're really trying to help people understand, and it's a part of a process of owning their culpability. But you can also have... Other bullshit.
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And I think we're living in times where whether they realize it or not, people feel that they sense that they don't quite know how to identify it. But I do think we see that a lot.
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Oh, I have the name of it right here. I know the show, but I haven't heard this.
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Get a Spine. Oh, I thought you said spy.
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I think so too. I've had this interesting journey and I think, no shit, right? But I think also too, as a woman, it's been very interesting to kind of observe. I think that there have been times where I felt, gosh, I still feel regret, right? I mean, I will feel regret every day for the rest of my life. I engaged in behavior, which hurt a lot of people.
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So not only my family, other people's families. Like chaos for the country. So there's so much there. And then there's also, there are times where I've also felt, do I have to keep saying I'm sorry because I'm a woman? You know, that it's sort of that men are kind of left as sort of, they say sorry once. They're like, no, no, I said sorry. I'm done. I don't need to process that.
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But she's a special lady. So please enjoy Monica Lewinsky.
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Yeah. So I bounced around a lot. I went to El Rodeo for kindergarten. Then I went to John Thomas Dye in Bel Air for a few years, then to Hawthorne. Then to Beverly, then to Bel Air Prep, which, you know, I always laugh as quintessential L.A. because it was in West Hollywood. Only in L.A., right? Bel Air Prep, fancy, you know, pinky up. And then it became some other name and now it's closed.
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Exactly. That's the whole point. It's like, oh, look, I went to Bel Air Prep.
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Exactly. I mean, it was a very, I always joke that I kind of never fit in in LA because like I'm a brunette and my boobs are real. So it's like, it's just sort of, yeah.
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Oh sure. And I, yeah, let's, let's not forget I was chubby. So like I always struggled with my weight and And so particularly, you know, it's so interesting. I had thought for a really long time that I had gained all this weight. So I struggled with my weight when I was in grade school, but then I sort of got a handle on it.
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And my freshman year, when my parents separated, I put on 50 pounds and I'd always for years thought it was connected to my parents getting divorced. But one of the things that I sort of came to understand in the last year several years, we didn't have language for it, but I had actually had an unwanted sexual experience when I was 14.
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So which was right this summer, right before my parents had separated.
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I think the psyche is so complex and so fucking clever, right?
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So I think that there's this element that may have been possible, but on some very deep level, but I was still interested in boys. Right. It could be true.
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And I think it was hard to unpack too, because it was the person stopped when I said stop. And, you know, it was just like the consent wasn't a thing then. And I have liked this person, but there were all sorts of things that were inappropriate about it, including like a really big age difference. And, um,
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And so for many years, I was like, well, I was 19 when I lost my virginity, but technically I wasn't. And so I had always chalked up a lot of the struggles I had in high school to my parents' divorce being contentious. But I think it probably had a lot more to do with this incident that happened that I didn't even know how to classify it.
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And I think I made it all okay because that was the easiest thing to do.
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Right. And I had struggled with my weight before. Can I ask you this?
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There were a number of different factors. So one was I developed early. So I don't know why we don't have tests now for young girls and boys to sort of know chemically when they're going into puberty, why we wait, because it's like it starts before, but we sort of don't consider it until they're physical. You can totally fact check this because
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I have no idea what I'm saying is right or I'm talking out of my ass. This is my own theory. Like that the chemical, you know, the chemical change must start earlier than necessarily the physical change, but we don't deem it puberty until we see the physical change. I had whatever the predisposition for my weight issues was. you know, genetically, but then there was also a hit puberty earlier.
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So I was constantly comparing my body to other girls' bodies who had this incredible metabolism or who didn't have boobs yet or whatever that was. And so I think there were kind of those issues, but I also, I read, you know, teen 17 magazine, you know, I was always reading, exactly. Always, you know, reading. I think I went on my first diet at, maybe 11 or 12. Yeah. This is so brutal. Yeah.
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It's so hard. It's heartbreaking. It's heartbreaking because it's like, why can't we just have that message of we're okay. Like we're okay. However we are.
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I was just in the house and our friend Anna, she had borrowed a sweater for me. It's blue and it's from Quince. It's gorgeous and it fits so well. And when she was wearing it, I was like, I want it back.
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I don't know if you guys saw, Anderson Cooper did this documentary a few years ago called Being 13. And he had access to all these 13 year olds phones or social behavior. And the one thing that stuck with me was that kids were taking on average 150 pictures for one that they would post. Oh, wow.
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And that just broke my fucking heart in terms of like, what's the negative self-talk in the 149 that they didn't choose, you know? And that's like, you know, so, I mean, I think we see this kind of, it's a strange thing thing now where we've got parents who are so much more aware, right?
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Aware of kind of not body shaming their kids, aware of trying to teach them nutrition in ways that are healthier. And at the same time, we have all sorts of other social aspects which are creating those problems that are making them even worse.
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What I loved about Portland was I think that was where I feel like I found myself as a person. So I don't know if it was a combination of kind of now I'm not living at home. I'm in another city slash state. And it's a very different environment there. I got a lot from nature in Portland. People are real. There were sort of galleries being open late.
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So I felt like I found a lot more of myself there.
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Actually, it was probably more in graduate school. So my graduate degree was in social psych. And I think I saw, maybe because I was older and now had had all these crazy life experiences, but I saw more experiences in graduate school where I was both learning and self-analyzing, you know, of just understanding. It's like, oh, a threatened identity. Oh, okay. I experienced that. Or
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You know, power differentials and, you know, so many different kinds of biases and understanding things. I'm sure there was some part of me that was interested in psychology because I was fucked up.
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I was always lucky. I mean, I think I went through some periods when I was much younger that I didn't have friends or I was bullied a little bit, but by and large, I've always been good at friendship. Right. I've had friends, but I think particularly where men were concerned, I was very insecure. Yeah.
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I think it was probably a strange combination of moments where I would feel old, but then my insecurities would regulate how I responded to reactions or to things that happened.
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I'm here. This is Monica, Monica Padman. And I'm here with Dax Shepard and Wobby Wob Hollis. I had to say our last names because it's about to get quite confusing.
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No, it's just complicated. I think part of me, the self-conscious part of me is like, wow, I kind of sound like a big loser in this podcast. No, my God, no. Not at all. Dating's already hard, but.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
Yes. You know, that was how I was and kind of goes back to that. You know, don't stand out. Be special. Yeah. So I think there was that was kind of always the dichotomy of exactly kind of always impacting my behavior that way. But I had experiences where the popular boy would like me in high school.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
But then I also had experiences where somebody basically worse than standing me up kind of left me standing outside a theater because he saw his friend and walked away with his friend and didn't come back. And I was in a heavier phase and his mom had later said, oh, well, he was embarrassed to be seen with you, which is just like this.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
Yeah, I'm like, I'm a teenager. So, I mean, it's just so that's, you know, but that's kind of that fertile ground for when several years later, I think when I was in D.C. and getting this kind of attention from somebody who I'm not that girl. I'm not the homecoming queen. I'm not the girl that the guy likes. I'm the friend of the girl. Yeah. that the guy likes. Like, that's me.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
Right. Of the world. And so I think it was, there were a lot of reactions and behaviors I engaged in because there was a part of me that was like, oh, this is what that girl is supposed to do. Because a lot of times when you're not that person, especially when you're younger and your brain's not fully developed and haven't had life experiences, you want to be that person. Right. Sure. Sure.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
Right. If you do have self-esteem issues, it's not like people walk around with self-esteem issues and think, oh, I'm so happy I have these stories. Right. Like you basically on some level, you're kind of always looking for something to plug that feeling to assuage it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
Right. Well, I was a psychology major and it was a combination of a number of things that I ended up doing. in the internship. One was we had a family friend whose grandson had done it the year before. I'd never even heard about it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
So he said, oh, I'll be happy to give you a recommendation. I worked a whole bunch when I was in high school and college. And one of the jobs I had was selling men's neckties. And I had a customer who had worked on the Clinton campaign, who then was now hired. And so he also was somebody who recommended me.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
And then I wrote an essay about how as a psychology major, you study the mind of the individual and the White House is the mind of the country. And so I think that that also had an element. So I really wasn't interested in politics aside from the kind of cursory level, like, oh, an election is happening.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
It is. I'm very affected by like the aesthetics of my environment. And so one of the things that I didn't expect to happen was to fall in love with the environment there. It's beautiful. There's just this it's like smells of eucalyptus. Oh, really? And there's just a I'm very woo woo and spiritual. And there's I didn't know how to identify it at the time, but there's a very special energy there.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
Right. And decisions have been made that have affects, you know, millions and millions of people over hundreds of years.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
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Not going to ask, but it smelled like that. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
I mean, I think there were, you know, there were a lot of dynamics that were going on there that surprised me. It was very interesting for me once I then chipped off to the Pentagon. And one of the things I came to realize was how the commodity of information was so different between these two parts of the government.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
And at the White House, it was if I knew something and you didn't, that was that was sort of made me more powerful. Exactly. But at the Pentagon, if I know something and you don't, our boss might be up Schitt's Creek. Oh, so it's a completely different culture. Yeah, very, very different culture and information was valued in different ways.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
It was, I mean, and really it was supposed to be a pit stop on the way to graduate school. So I wanted to get a PhD in forensic psychology and work for the FBI.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
I think what was interesting for me, too, is that my first trip to DC had been with my aunt. And I remember we had passed by the old executive office building. And I remember thinking, oh, my gosh, it's so beautiful. Can you imagine going to work every day there? Right. And then Shazam.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
So as an intern, it's a pain because you have a temporary pass. So every time you come in and out, like you have to show your ID and you get the temporary pink eye intern pass. Once I became an employee and I had I had a permanent pass. So I had a blue pass, which was fantastic. That's like exactly. That's the sort of the all access backstage pass. So I think that's kind of the talk about status.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
Now, either either my mom dropped me off. That's so cute. I looked at home.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
No. So my mom's side of the family, my grandma was the matriarch and we sort of, everybody has to live in the same place. Okay, right. That's just sort of how it is. And so- My aunt and her family moved to the East Coast. So then my mom and my brother moved. And of course, then my grandma moved. And then we all had, my grandma lived in the Watergate. My mom lived in the Watergate.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
My aunt was living in the country, but she had a pied-à-terre there. So it was sort of, and that's happened in New York. It just happens everywhere. Oh, wow.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
I mean, talk about sort of like being exposed to your home truths. Have your phone calls recorded without your permission. It's just like, oh no, I couldn't have said that. See a transcript. It's like. Then you hear yourself. Wow. I fucking said that about somebody I would get in front of a bus for. And I'm a catty bitch. And it just it is seriously. I mean, yes. Yeah. Oh, yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
So I was 22 when the relationship started and 24 when the investigation started.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
But that's a whole justice system in general. I mean, there's I think that's that's a real issue. I have the hypocrisy of the system. So I mean, stepping outside of whatever happened to me. Yes. It's just how can we say this behavior is wrong and should be punished, but that same behavior should not be punished if you're going to help us get someone else. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
He said you stabbed her. How the fuck is that legal? Exactly. Or plea bargains. I mean, it's just a whole. Yes.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
I participated in this docuseries that came out last year.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
I'm just kind of referencing that because they think that there was a very broad scope of people from that timeframe who were interviewed.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
And the goal of the series was to really map out all of these different perspectives and narratives that were unfolding real time for us there that we didn't have the perspective to see back, to see kind of all the places where stories were, people's narratives were being braided together that we didn't realize or, you know, those things.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
Right, right. Starts with a sexual harassment case.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
I believe so. And I think that there were a number of different motives that were going on for various people, I think, who were operating on that side. Some exactly as you just said. Some who were kind of looking at a bigger picture of how do we basically set a perjury trap?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
And for almost everybody, I mean, many of us think I would never lie under oath, but we also live in this country where we have these puritanical views about sex and almost, you know, asking someone about their sex life under oath is almost always a perjury trap. You know, I mean, it's like Jerry Seinfeld made this great joke about during that time where he said, you know, everybody lies about sex.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
If people didn't lie about sex, no one would have sex.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
I think sometimes people don't remember. I didn't choose to step forward to talk about this. So I, in fact, got into trouble because I signed a false affidavit. So trying to deny that there was a layer where people didn't understand the level of detail that came out. That was also not my choice to share that. I had to share that legally. I was legally asked and denied.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
Yeah. Emotional openness. And I admire her a ton.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
in fact, had to give even more detail because of certain ways that other people chose to testify.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
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reality is is that there was not truth told no matter what the definition of sexual relations was right so that whole thing of like oh does this count as a you know does it or doesn't it it doesn't matter given everything else that happened yes I I've said before I never understood why or how this became about oral sex because that wasn't just what happened.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
I don't want to get into a lot of the details. I think that was a big part of shame that I ended up having to carry for a long time as a young woman being labeled as somebody who was engaged in this servicing relationship. Right.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
For sharing her experience and her story and hopes that other people can feel good. It's incredibly brave. It is.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
Right. Is now being examined through a lens that nobody I mean, like, you know, maybe when you're first start dating someone, you're like, oh, we've done it this many times. Or, you know, it's such a strange way to not only as oneself to try to analyze something or unpack it, but even more bizarre to have other people talking about something which is normally so private. Oh, my God. I just can't.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
Or to take it from you. That's your agency.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
You know, I mean, and that's part of consent in a very different way as sort of, you know, what we choose to share about ourselves and what we choose to keep private and with whom we share those aspects of ourselves.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
No, this was not a secret that I ever, you know, yes, I may have confided in some of my friends, but this was not something I ever would have talked about publicly.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
Trying to get attention. Want to make money.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
Yeah. I mean, I call myself a social canvas. I think the thing is, is that this story triggered so many archetypes for us. I think it was not just one narrative. I think there were a lot. So there was privileged upbringing, my weight. I was, you know, torn apart from my looks. So, I mean, the slut shaming. So whether it, you know, the affair, the fallen woman.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
So, I mean, they're just, we were kind of living in times, I think, where objectivity was commonplace. just not really present. I mean, just, I think along the lines, it's interesting to me, people will point out to me now, well, how could people have thought you were dumb? You had an internship in the White House. Right, right. Well, they did. I was called a stupid bimbo.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
I mean, I have like serious trauma from when I was in grad school, I couldn't get up and present in front of a class. You know, you were asking me initially about how I judge people when people ask me a question.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
When I was in grad school, I was so, I had such imposter syndrome that anytime somebody asked me a question, I thought that they were actually trying to trick me or to see, did I know the answer? You know, I was afraid to get help writing an essay because I thought it would expose me that I should have known something.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
You know, so, you know, this was also it was a really challenging situation, which I don't think we'd even be able to have nowadays. First of all, the cycle is so much shorter. Right. So this idea of there kind of being a year long story, but also because of legal reasons, I couldn't speak publicly. Uh huh. So I was very one-dimensional for people. I was so young.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
There was nothing else to hang an identity for me on. What had I been before I worked in the White House? A student, a college student. You know what I mean? Again, not to excuse my poor choices, but there were also a lot of people who were invested in... making sure that the president didn't lose his job.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
And that meant that there were narratives that had to be spun, you know, that there were stories. And a lot of those people didn't know me. And then there were a lot of people who knew me well, who had no problem engaging in that kind of behavior.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
Yeah. I mean, my family was all I had, so I couldn't talk to most of my friends until after they had testified. So, I mean, I don't think I would have survived without my family, although we weren't, I wasn't allowed to talk to my brother.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
I think it totally depends. So if I feel comfortable in a situation, like right now I feel comfortable. So I came in, I felt comfortable with Monica. And by the way, am I like the first Monica, Monica?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
Right. I mean, it's one of the reasons I'm so unbelievably grateful for all the changes that have happened in the last few years is that it's... People stop my doctor, stop my dad in the hall and say something positive or someone will have said something positive to Mike at work. And, you know, that alongside kind of whatever history might be told in a class teacher show my TED talk.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
So, I mean, it's pretty, you know, it's just unbelievably meaningful for me. A hundred percent. And, you know, and I've got a niece and nephew whom I adore and they also have my last name.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
But also too, I think there were other layers of it, like more logistical complications, like particularly at the time if I had gone to the courthouse and tried to sign legal papers, changing my name, that would have ended up in the press. So then I would have been like Prince, you know, you know, Sally Smith, formerly known as Monica Lewinsky, you know, or so then what, where would I go?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
And, and people would, I didn't even understand how would that work? So, so I run into somebody I went to grade school with and I say, well, I don't go by that name anymore.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
Yeah, and I think I, the story was so big and it was such a huge change of my life. And my new normal was, there was such a massive chasm between what my old normal and my new normal were that I think that there just wasn't room for that. I just had to kind of keep moving
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
trying to move forward and keep trying to get back onto a developmental path that my therapist at the time, that was always her goal was sort of, how do we get you back on a developmental path of a 25 year old? You know, so what does that look like?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
And, you know, how am I going to support myself and, you know, and find purpose and meaning in the world and try to find a relationship, which I think was, you know, also something that I tried at the time. And I now look back on that period. I'm like, Of course I couldn't have been in a serious relationship.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
We've had Monica Potter. I was thinking. Not in the attic though. We did a live show with her. So in the attic first.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
I was involved. I fell in love. I cared about people. And I actually think it was hard for some people who got to know me and cared about me to sort of reconcile the person they got to know with how the rest of the world saw me. So that was also hard. And at younger ages and maybe careers not fully developed to step into all that. It's just, I wouldn't have...
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
I've become good at reading people, which I think most people who end up as public people end up having to be. Yes.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
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It's pretty. It's effective. It's effective. Efficient.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
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Wasn't it so cozy? Everything is so soft and so comfortable and so cute. You know I have a bunch of their products I've acquired over the years, and I love them all, all for different occasions. I have that gray dress that I really love that I can dress up or down.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
Yes, I have the jammies. I have the bras. The bras are really something special because it's really hard to find a good, comfortable bra that's also chic. And they have a really good one, the Fits Everybody T-shirt bra. It really does fit everybody. I have gifted this.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
Although, you know, this is sort of non sequitur, but someone said to me, I saw this shaman in New York who was amazing a few weeks ago. And she said something to me about how people who have survived trauma, they can't be okay unless everyone else is okay in the room and feel safe. Like that's how they feel safe is that everyone else feels okay. And I was like, oh, that's a hundred percent me.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
No. Well, sometimes. And by the way, what is a slut?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
Well, because, I mean, it was pejorative. So whatever, you know, slut and tart and bimbo and horror.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
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You know, I think, correct. Correct. all of the women in the story experience that in different ways. I think that we, as a society, we look at women in the public eye in a very different way than we do men.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
I know it sounds kind of cliched, but I really do think none of us knows how strong we are until we're tested. I do think that. I mean, I'm grateful I've been able to survive. There have been many, many moments where I didn't think I could make it through. And it could be the strangest, you know, I think of it as that It's a small moment of grace that, you know, makes you go right instead of left.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
The phone rings, somebody who doesn't even know you're in pain and you don't not even, wouldn't even necessarily say, but that connection.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
Oh, during the investigation, eating for sure.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
It was years of jobs. Well, I think the, you know, it wasn't officially over. So it started January of 98. It wasn't kind of quote unquote officially over until he was acquitted. He was impeached by the house, but then acquitted by the Senate. And that was, I think, February of 1999. So it was,
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
Little over a year there, but was something that stayed in kind of part of the, would you say political zeitgeist? Well, kind of the zeitgeist in general. The cultural zeitgeist. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
And so, you know, and then when I went to graduate school, I had really mistakenly and naively thought, oh, I'm going to move to England and I'm going to LSE and I'm now going to be a graduate student and I'm leaving, you know, political Monica Lewinsky back in the States. Uh-huh. And I actually was having to take on another identity. I wasn't getting rid of an identity.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
And ultimately, I think for me, you know, it was like I came out of graduate school and then was actually almost the darkest period, even darker. There was an adrenaline that coursed through the entire year of 98. But it was when I came out of graduate school and I couldn't get a job and I couldn't purpose and support myself. That's really when it was a darker time for me.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
Right. And that was when I came into my anger. But at the same time, you know, I see now, I'm not sure I would choose it again, but I see now what that period did benefit me was I ended up having the time back. to do the deep self healing, you know, the kind of involution.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
And, you know, there was a lot of spiritual work.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
I think ultimately, you know, the really big lesson for me, many lessons, but one of them was around, you know, not running away from my past, that it was about integrating My past, like I'm very fond of saying I don't believe in sort of moving on.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
I believe in moving forward and that there to me, there's a real distinction between those two, that there's like an element of moving on feels like, oh, you're supposed to put whatever happened to you in the past and and almost with a layer of shame cut off kind of from whatever that behavior was. You know, and it's one of the things I really admire about you and how you've talked about your past.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
No, I think it's just a layer. It's just kind of a layer of how people operate in the world. So not even necessarily people being comfortable with my trauma, but I don't feel safe unless everyone else feels comfortable.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
life experiences, Dax, is that you are so comfortable or seemingly so comfortable with all of the decisions you made based on the pain you were in and your ability to transcend that shame, I think has helped a lot of people.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
Yes. We wanted to do a little of our favorites this week. You just heard a couple of days ago. You heard Laurel Bo. Mom. Triple L. Dax's mom. That episode. And my pick for the week is Monica Lewinsky. That's why that's confusing.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
On the Internet, too, like in the nascent days of the Internet, just that experience of a lot of people have experienced that now. I think there's, you know, the statistics are like one in 10 or something.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
I think, you know, there's so many different things that are at play in our online world. You know, there's the online disinhibition effect. So where people, because they're hiding behind a screen or behind anonymity, find it easier to take on different personas. We saw that in the beginning of that with Remember Second Life. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
You know, so, I mean, that was really that was kind of the beginning, I think, of this idea of, you know, an avatars of sort of, OK, let me both be this person, but also be someone else, be some different curated version of who I want to be. For sure. Right. Some projected version.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
Right? So some people might come into a situation and... and think, okay, how do I need to feel safe in this? Like, here's what I need. For me, it would be, I need everyone else to feel okay in order for me to feel safe in a situation.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
Right, exactly. And which in and of itself has a layer of shame connected to it, right? Because there's that idea of whoever I am, really am, is not good enough. For sure. Yeah. So I think, you know, that's at play. I think we have people constantly, I mean, just the... chasm between our real lives and curated selves online is very challenging.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
And I think that's where there's so much mental health issues coming in. I had this young boy say to me last week, which was he'd written in an essay, and I've just been turning it over in my mind ever since I read it, where he was talking about actually with physical violence, that when you don't have an adult to say to you, everything's going to be okay.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
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You're alone in your pain and your experience, and you may lash out at someone else doing the exact same thing for the very reason so that you're not alone.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
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Which was amazing to me. Like, I had never really thought about it from that way. I mean, I believe, okay, hurt people hurt people, you know, all those things.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
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It truly does. I certainly don't want to excuse any kind of online harassment or bullying behavior, but that in some ways it's a coping mechanism for some people.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
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You know, and that's where we kind of have to step back. There is no three-prong easy solution. This is like the human condition. Right.
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And I think the business model is different.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
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with so many more outlets there are more people in this industry who are looking to make an income sure sure yeah yeah money i mean they can't ignore data yes so i mean that's the whole thing is is you know is around the idea of the the model of money that gets made from these things and that shame and public humiliation are these currencies in our society yes they're very tasty for people yeah yeah and it's and i do think there's i have a friend who has this really interesting
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
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theory around because we now don't stay in the same village, you know, from where we were born and know the same people for our entire lives, that well-known people have kind of become the local, that was sort of the local gossip that we would. So these are the familiar people that we now, instead of staying in our village, we take them with us wherever we go.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
Like, I understand what you're saying. I just, I do think that we can evolve away from gossip.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
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And if you step back and you like take a completely different view and think about it energetically, it's like words have a consequence. You know, they have a consequence whether you are hearing them or not. That sense of, I mean, we have energy fields where we're affected by what people think about us, what they say about us.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
I mean, that for me, I think a big part of my healing was I spent many years having to heal my field. So to sort of having gone overnight from being known by a very small group of people relative to the rest of the world, and then all of a sudden have all this negative intention and energy coming at me, that's an effect.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
I totally take it on. Like I went on a job interview once where the person who was interviewing me was more nervous than I was. And so all their nervous tics started coming out. And initially I was reading it as sort of this person kept scowling and I was like, oh, fuck, I'm saying the wrong thing. I'm never going to get this job. And then eventually I realized, oh, it's nervous tics.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
There's probably a technical term for this, which I can't remember or don't know. But I think that probably one of the most important ways forward is Is around trying to rather than trying to penalize a lot of the negative behavior, which I think can be helpful, is also at the same time trying to bring in more of the positive. Right. So trying to drown that out in some ways.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
So educating people on how to be an upstander online, like how important that is.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
Oh yeah, no, it's amazing. To be an upstander means to sort of intervene in a situation and you can intervene while you're seeing something, like while you're seeing a bullying situation unfold or an online harassment unfurl, you can intervene that way. But you can also intervene after the fact too.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
That's a really important part of being an upstander, which is just recognizing, reaching out to the person who's been the target of that behavior. Basically allowing somebody to know that someone witnessed what happened. Yes. To whether that is a supportive emoji or it's saying to someone, I saw what happened or saying, do you want to come sit with me or want to go to the movies?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Monica Lewinsky
Some way of, um, if it's somebody, you know, if it's a stranger, just a positive comment, you know, that there are all these ways that we can actually interrupt the cycles that are happening in the bullying cycle that are important for people to remember, uh,
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
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Also reporting harassment with online situations, reporting any bullying or online harassment that you see is also these are all ways of kind of being a good digital citizen. And they have a huge impact, particularly, I think, you know, from the work that I do, the worst kinds of things that happen are when people are suffering in silence alone.
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And the faster somebody knows that they're not invisible. Right. There's this irony of this kind of behavior that you are a target of something and yet you actually feel really invisible.
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So the more I think that you can encourage people to sort of step up and engage in these sorts of behaviors, we're starting to shift the balance of the other kind of behavior that's happening, which we should address in how we're dealing with these issues too.
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And there are some who talk about people who engage, especially younger people who engage in bullying behavior. Some People look at models that are saying it actually is their kids trying different power structures on. Yes. There's so many different things. I think I think one of the things that we have trouble with around this topic is that, like usual, we're always trying to simplify things.
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Right. Exactly. And people engage in bullying behavior for for myriad reasons. And people become targets for myriad reasons. And there are myriad ways to handle different situations. There's no one correct way for every single person who's either a bully or a target. I have witnessed and I have experienced the enormous shifts that can happen when people step into compassion.
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You know, so I thought, OK, so now I've got to make this person feel comfortable.
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I agree. I think it's really important to point out that intervening directly is not always right for every person in every situation, just like it's not always right Maybe right in some circumstances, but to say to somebody, you have to stand up to a bully. Like it's just, again, it's sort of that nuanced scenario. Yes.
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Because there are people who are equipped to do that socially and emotionally, and there are people who aren't. And some people can be endangered by doing those sorts of things, which is why I think with upstanding behavior, it's really important for people to recognize that. You don't have to be the person who stands up to the bully. You can still be effective. I mean, that's for me.
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For me, my focus is the target's experience. You know, how do we get that person from feeling shame and alone and sadness? to feeling more okay fastest. And that doesn't matter if you're by 15, 50, you know, social media is it's, I mean, it's really come to kind of map our underlying cultural beliefs, you know?
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So, I mean, it's a lot of people, I think there was like this thing I read recently, 60 or 70% of people think the internet is an online harassment is kind of responsible for this corrosion of civility. Yeah. It's hard because the truth is we have to look at ourselves. I mean, I look at social media a lot and a lot of behavior just kind of like road rage, which I have.
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So, I mean, it's just sort of that I behave in the car in ways that I would not behave outside the car. Right. Right. Totally. And but I think that that happens online. We see that sort of not regulated behavior, you know, and so much of it is because we have lost sight of the fact we don't have those. You know, I'm sitting in a room with both of you. I can read your facial expressions.
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I can feel your emotions, you know, and there there are always I believe there are always so many different languages going on and many which we don't even know we're using. and communicating ways that we're communicating. And so when it's online, you don't have those same cues.
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And so people tend to devolve into the worst versions of themselves, but there are ways to not do that.
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Yeah. I mean, I think it I think a big threat of that is connection. There's kind of this vicious cycle that's happened with online education. behavior around, you know, we sort of do that thing of we compare our insides to other people's outsides.
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I'm on Instagram privately, Twitter publicly, and constantly, constantly feeling like everyone else is happier, thinner, wealthier, more in love, all of those things.
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Right, exactly. doing better Instagram, let's not forget that, right? Like, you know, the meta. We also find connection there. Young people, I think it's over 40% find connection, more connection from social media, but then they also feel disconnected in ways too. Yeah, lonelier than ever. Right. I think what happens is it's kind of this,
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You're in the solipsistic club? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Got a jacket.
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It's this weird thing where at the same time that we're thirsty for more connection, the ways we're finding connection are also trying to tell us that we're less than. So it becomes, it's a very complicated back and forth struggle.
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But they're also getting dopamine hits when the, like, times come in and things, likes come in and stuff.
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So it is a weird balance of... Yeah, I mean, I think it's great that we're seeing some of the social media companies start, finally start to address some of these issues. I have a big fear that...
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Social media is going to end up like the cable networks that if we don't find a way to actually coexist in these social spaces with, you know, very different polarized viewpoints, we will splinter off and then we'll end up siloed in the same way of Fox News and all the other stations. And so, yeah. You know, I think we're being given an opportunity. I'm not saying it is great.
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And I know how challenging it is for people who are targets of these things. But we are being given an opportunity online to try to find ways to bridge the divide of perspective.
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Let's be really clear. I'm still very broken. Okay.
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Right, exactly. Yeah. Not shattered to pieces.
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I think I feel gratitude more than pride. Maybe that's down the road. But I was just talking to my mom this morning just about, I think every once in a while, I kind of shocked into remembering what my life was like before things started to change a few years ago. And I never could have imagined that.
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giving a purpose to my past in the way that I have or using that pain in service of hoping that other people feel less alone.
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You know, I think that's really what it's about. You probably know this. It's a privilege. It's a privilege to have a life where you're able to help other people feel less alone because of the experiences you're sharing.
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I mean, that's kind of, you know, that's, look, we'd like to shit all over social media, but that's also kind of one of the beauties of social media too, is that we do get to hear from people. We do get to connect in ways that we wouldn't otherwise.
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you can find your tribe in a way you can absolutely sure i mean they're so i mean and think about there are a lot of political movements the women's march wouldn't wouldn't have been able to happen that fast yeah you know hashtag me too 2.0 you know i mean tarana burke started it 10 years ago but it you know social media and changed that into something different yeah it became something became a louder voice and coalesced faster because of it so
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It's like everything. Right. But of course, that's the world we live in.
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And I also think that there are, you know, hopefully the platforms will come to places where. they'll be instituting mechanisms to help sort of alleviate those kinds of scenarios too.
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Yeah. But I think we, you know, I don't know if this will make sense, but so I had to do a lot of work over the years around my relationship to material things, like hoarding. I'm not real hoarder, capital H, but sort of, I like to joke, I had clutter from my decluttering books. I mean, it's just, you know, and I...
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We control the algorithm. We do. We're in charge of that algorithm.
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Yeah. Did you see Jaron? I always get his last name wrong. Jaron Lanier. He gave a really interesting TED talk last year and he's been involved in the Internet and he he made this argument. We sort of went right when we should have gone left at the point of. should the internet have been subscription-based or ad-based?
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And so, you know, I mean, you can also see that there, of course, then there are the financial hierarchy issues if it were to have been subscription-based. But I think that, you know, a lot of where we are is because we have, without realizing it, made these agreements of our clicking, our data, that these are the new commodities. He argues that That it's not too late to turn back.
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And I think we should really be looking and exercising all options.
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So it's October is Bullying Prevention Month. So every year for the last two years, and we will be doing this year, BBDO New York and I have done a campaign for Bullying Prevention Month, which we launch usually in the first few days of October. Okay.
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Oh, my God. You had a lot of energy for that one.
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Yeah, I feel very grateful that she trusted us to share her story.
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worked over the years with somebody who has actually has a background in psychology and it's been an amazing process to sort of see as things have changed for me things I'm ready to let go of but I had this one experience where I was helping friends of mine move because they were remodeling and it was like why do you have this case of unopened you know ball jars for jam that you
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We've gotten to know her through this process. And she's so lovely.
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I wonder what the percentage is of people who then felt a lot of judgment if they still do. Yeah. So much has changed since then. Yeah.
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It is true. It's often, not always, of course, but it's often the man who cheats on his wife. And yeah, the woman who had an affair with him is the one that generally gets the blame.
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The other woman. I try not to say that because it's so cliche. But even that has connotations, right? Exactly. And like that... person gets ostracized and that person and often the husband and wife end up reconciling. So the husband ends up really not feeling the weight of anything and that other person ends up feeling And that to me is extremely unfair.
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Well, no, men are cheating more than women, I would say. Probably.
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you're going to pay more money storing than you could just buy it again, you know, but I said, no, no, no, no, we have to keep those and broken things and all those things. And so I had this experience where I was able to, I could see because I had no attachment, I had no energy towards these things, how easy it was for me to, think about letting go of them or categorizing them. Yeah.
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Yeah. I mean, I mean, I'm just look at stereotypical married couples. I would say stereotypically. Don't get mad at me, everyone. Yeah. The man wants more sex than the woman. Often. Not always.
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I agree. And but what I think the part of this conversation that doesn't get talked about very much, which she touched on a little bit, which is, you know, she was like part of what was so awful is this public presentation that it was a servicing relationship. And she was like, it was a mutual relationship.
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And I don't think that part gets talked about where it's like she's in a relationship with the person. On top of this public thing, there's, I'm sure, a private heartbreak.
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She's not allowed to feel. Right. And that is not fair.
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And so, and I think as opposed to my own shit, which I had, I had a story about everything and had to tell that story. And I think that kind of reflects in a way what you're saying about just those two very different positions.
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Yeah. OK, yes. So she was trying to find the verbiage for this quote. She said the tallest poppy gets cut off first, but it's called tall poppy syndrome.
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You are a tall poppy. It describes aspects of a culture where people of high status are resented, attacked, cut down, strung up or criticized because they've been classified as superior to their peers.
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Yes. I think we love, I mean, a lot of people have said this, but like, yeah, we'd love to see people rise and fall too. I think because again, like you just said, everyone makes mistakes and so it feels relatable. But also I think if you're not at that level, you feel like, oh, it's actually not that good up there.
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Like there's something about it that feels comforting to you that you're not there because maybe when you get to that level, it's like all shady.
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I know. I think that's a negative outlook on it, which it could very well be true. But I think it's a deeper psychological thing happening.
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Currently, our system, some of the richest people pay no taxes.
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Right. But I wonder if this is like, is this like lunch four times a week with your boss? Like, have you seen just abolish billionaires, period, and then nothing more?
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Okay. Right. Again. So one person is saying that.
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I mean, the side of the argument I have heard has not been abolish billionaires. It's been they need to pay for.
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Yeah. Okay. Well, you said you don't know what the number is, but probably 50% of people were getting cheated on that year. That year being 1998. But there's no stat for that.
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I mean, there can't be. It's a wild guess. Exactly. There just can't be.
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Yeah, I can in that moment have the thing I want when there are other things in the world that I want that I can't have. Sure. So it's just a quick way to get some control. It lasts for like an hour and then it goes away.
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No. Cyberbullying, she said one in 10. According to cyberbullying statistics from the I Say Foundation, over half of adolescents and teens have been bullied online and about the same number have engaged in cyberbullying. More than one in three young people have experienced cyber threats online. Over 25% of adolescents and teens have been bullied repeatedly through cell phones or the internet.
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Well, over half of young people do not tell their parents when cyberbullying occurs.
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Then you get the ego. Do you do the return thing? Cause then you get a whole different set of chemicals of the return of like, Oh, it's like losing weight.
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Well, one, because there's been only a rise in these types of behaviors and especially these mass shootings and stuff since –
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But I'm not talking like gang related. That's what that stuff is.
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Yeah. All these types of unconventional shootings and depression rates are up. I mean, all these things are everything's gotten worse since the invention of the phones and video games and all of those things. So, no, I don't think it's an outlet for people.
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satiates people's angst but I don't think you can make the argument because all this stuff has gotten worse angst wise if you're talking about people who feel entitled and act out because of it all that stuff's gotten way worse yeah yeah And depression just has gotten way worse.
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Exactly. I actually don't do that because I'm late. I'm like too lazy to go back to the store. So then I'll return them for you. Great. This is a good solution.
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Yeah. So... Okay, so we talked about gossip a little bit. There's an interesting NPR article about gossip. So gossip can help solidify personal relationships and encourage cooperation. Children engage in this form of gossip by age five. One provocative view comes from anthropologist Robin Dunbar...
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who argues that gossip is the human analog of social grooming, which is widely practiced by our primate cousins. Through gossip, we can create and maintain social bonds more efficiently, allowing us to form groups of larger sizes. These suggestions about the benefits of gossip for cooperation correspond to a special subset of gossip, what's recently been called pro-social gossip.
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Pro-social gossip involves sharing negative judgments about a third party, but where the shared information could protect the recipient from antisocial behavior or exploitation. Thus, gossiping about who cheats at cards or who's likely to shirk at a responsibility would qualify as pro-social gossip. Researchers Jan Engelman, Esther Herman, and Michael Tomasello of the Max Planck.
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The word requires a different voice. Plank. I can't, is it plank? It wouldn't be plank. P-L-A-N-C-K.
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For evolutionary anthropology, studied pro-social gossip in both three and five-year-olds. To create an opportunity for such gossip, they had the children play a game. Children who participated in the study first played with two puppets, one of which was more generous than the other.
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A second child then came in to play the game with just one of the two puppets, and the researchers observed whether the first child gossiped about the puppets, offering a social evaluation that could help the second child decide which puppet to choose. For example, if a child said... You should play with the green puppet because the yellow puppet is stingy and doesn't share enough tokens.
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That would be classified as pro-social gossip. The researchers found that most children in both age groups offered some sort of guidance about which puppet to choose, but the three-year-olds very rarely offered an evaluation to go along with it.
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For instance, they might recommend one puppet over the other, but they wouldn't go on to explain that it was because that puppet was generous or because the other puppet cheated. The five-year-olds, by contrast, offered such evaluations about half the time. They went beyond a mere recommendation to a social judgment, the kind of claim that might make or break an individual's reputation.
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So that's why they got the three to five number.
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So an example would be, I had every single article that I read for my master's thesis. Like I kept everything, even if I didn't cite it in my paper, I still had it. And that was really connected to sort of all the anxiety I had around people thinking I was stupid. And so it was the safety or all these books that I bought when I was in graduate school that I never fucking read.
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Yeah. I feel shitty. Why? Yeah. I think for me, it's about purpose. Like, what is the purpose of talking about this? Is the purpose of talking about it to dissect it, to understand more, to.
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I think that's what a lot of gossip is. But generally that kind of gossip is the kind I don't love. I mean, that example is so benign, but like the shirt is bad. Is that?
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It is, or it's the connection thing. Like, did you notice, like, his shirt was all wrinkled up?
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Oh, my God. Do you think he doesn't have any money? Because he doesn't. I even iron his gloves.
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He smells bad, too. They are seeking connection, but I...
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I agree with that now in my adult life, but I think I probably spent many, many, many conversations just pretending like I noticed that so I could feel inside.
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I know, but I... I don't think you do that. I mean, you do do that about tongues. I don't think you talk poorly about people for like no reason.
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But then we'd be like, sure. He said herpes a lot.
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A follow-up conversation of like, oh my God, he's so confident to be doing that. And why is he so confident? Like wondering why is that to me is fine. That's just exploring. But like just being like, ew, ew.
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Yeah, ew. That's what people say about me sometimes. That's what you're worried about. No one says that. No one says that. All right. I love you.
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Oh my God. Yeah. Even though we found out you hate this, but the name means alone and also advice giver. Which both of those things I think apply to myself. You disagree. I disagree. We'll talk about it on the next back.
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And it was like uncreased on the thing, but look, look, I'm smart, I'm smart, I'm not a dumb bimbo. And eventually in the last few years, eventually I was sort of in a place where I was like, oh, I actually don't really need these anymore. Which is fascinating.
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So I think I had read in one of those decluttering books about that we keep things because we're afraid we're not going to be provided for in the future. And so that was really interesting to me too. But I agree that the shopping high or the control aspect of it. Yeah. I don't think I've thought of it that way, but that would a hundred percent be me.
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OK, you're not dumb. I'm just going to tell you.
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Yeah, we've done a few. And most of them, I was looking, I was like, oh, yeah, oh, yeah, oh, yeah. And when I saw Monica Lewinsky's name come up, I thought- Oh my gosh, I totally forgot we got to do that. How amazing of an opportunity. And then she was just so special and so sweet and so strong and wonderful. And the way she looks back on everything I think is really profound. And
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I think there's an element of healing and shifting that kind of happens. And then maybe you're ready to have somebody help you try to alleviate that fear.
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I agree that I don't think just because you have a fear and somebody sits down and says to you, oh, you really shouldn't have that fear anymore that that's going to now. Oh, no. But I also think, too, that, you know, that there are a lot of fears that come from how I describe it. I don't know that, you know, my trauma psychiatrist would agree. But I mean, I sort of think with trauma, it's like we.
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kind of each create our own file folders we make our decision on how we store like traumas right so you and i could have the same traumatic experiences but we might file them in different folders in different ways right you see this with siblings a ton yeah exactly and so i think sometimes what happens too is that we'll sort of see that top fear we may not even recognize in ourselves that actually it's connected to all these other fears that have happened and so it may seem illogical to someone else but it's really not
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to us because it's based on these other experiences we've had too.
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Oh, I was born in San Francisco and then I was raised here in actually Beverly Hills. Okay. So, and then my parents divorced and my dad moved to Brentwood and,
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It was more painful in some ways for me because... I think I lived with an illusion of how I wanted my family to be. I mean, by all kind of markers, I had a great upbringing and wonderful parents and I have an amazing younger brother and never worried about... a roof over my head or food on the table. So very privileged that way.
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But I also think that my parents are two wonderful people who were not a great match. And that was pretty hard to be around, but I think also pretty self-evident. Even now when people meet them, they're kind of like, how are your parents married? Right. But they both bring great things.
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Yeah. So actually she was an urban planner before she had kids and then she became kind of lead parent. And my dad is still a practicing radiation oncologist.
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Wondery Presents: Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
So anyway, I hope you find something to connect to in our chat, and thanks for joining us on Reclaiming. So let's get into it.
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So many women, I think, find themselves in different levels of relationships that are everything from psychologically and emotionally abusive to physically abusive, and I think find it hard to leave. I mean, and I think people talk more now about... attachment styles and stuff. And so I look back on some of my relationships during what I call my dark decade.
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So kind of in between 98, graduate school, whatever, and my first person essay in Vanity Fair in 2014. And I think I look at it and maybe it's a story I tell myself, but I think about that the pain I was in staying in relationships with people who didn't value me, who talked to me a certain way that I allowed and accepted and kept going back for more. And I look at it and I think I was
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I was in a deeper pain and experiencing the pain in the relationship was actually easier. Like I knew, I knew I had to go through pain and that was easier than the pain of really what I was sitting on of both, not only my experiences in 98, but whatever, all those experiences before it that, that, that led to all of that.
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And so did you feel, do you feel like, does that resonate at all or something different? I only had healthy relationships.
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I think what's interesting to me is to just think about how you had this strong sense of self. You lost yourself in this relationship. What's so interesting to me is because I think this is in a short period of time, you lost
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You were able to, it may have been, it may have felt like forever to you and may have seemed near impossible, but you actually stepped into a healing mode and found yourself again in what I think is like a very powerful and quick way. Yeah. And that's one of the things that I admire about you is that you have a focus.
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And I think that's part of, I think that's the good side of the black and white, the good side of the kind of the fierceness, the going in and it's a decisiveness.
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Hi, everyone. For today's episode, I spoke with my brave and brilliant friend, Olivia Munn. We met over a decade ago and bonded over all things woo woo. So crystals, astrology. We just got into deep, real conversation really quickly, which is kind of the way I like to do it. You probably know her as an actor and an activist.
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And if you're on social media, you'd also know her as the mom to adorable Malcolm and May. Because Olivia and I are close, I knew about her struggle with breast cancer in real time, but to hear her heartbreaking and inspiring story in the details that she shared in our conversation, it meant so much to me and made me admire her even more. And for any fans of the newsroom, we went there too.
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Because, well, tell him the fact and then I'll tell you how I twisted it.
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Eiza Gonzalez
Taking away the description in the role that this should be a 24-year-old white woman. Maybe it could be anyone. It has gotten a ton better. It has definitely gotten better. Once that's gone, then I think there'll be less of, well, this person's Asian and they should be Native. Like that will go away if the opportunity is there for everybody.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
Well, maybe she also was like, life is short. What's the point of all this?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
Oh, well, I don't know about that. Also, she started in the middle. She said, in other words, what's before that? Yeah, what is before that?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
It was just a picture of her and I together at an event. You were kissing.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
Yeah, because these magazines, they do make up so much.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
Well, I think still this happens here. People pick a villain or a scapegoat.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
I have the same thing. It really gets under my skin when someone's miscalculated or misjudged.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
wanted to separate. It's kind of like Nick Cage. Nope. He was a Coppola.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
Never. Not once. Yeah, but some people do if they're not well. Okay. I've seen.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
Exactly. Or like Substance, as you said, was such a good movie to see in the movie theater.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
Because everyone's into it and laughing and kind of screaming. And it's that communal thing we just don't get anymore. Exactly.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
And are you putting it directly on your... I normally use hands, also a lather. But I do get in there.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
Ariana came out and sang a song from The Wizard of Oz. She sang Somewhere Over the Rainbow. Yeah. And then Cynthia came out and sang a song from The Wiz.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
And then they sang together. They sang together that. Defying Gravity. And it was like together we're unlimited. It gave me chills. Just repeating it gave me chills. I know. Also what it was saying, because The Wiz is an African-American Wizard of Oz and it's bringing these together. It was spectacular.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
She's got to let him have the facts. Yeah, no, she, her all time, her like my Matt and Ben.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
Is Mr. Tumnus. Who? What's his name? James McAvoy. Oh, great pick. I know. But she picked him while he was Mr. Tumnus.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
In, like, Lion, Witch, and the Wardrobe. So he's like a centaur or something. Oh, wow. And we were seeing him in the movie theater, and she was like, is he hot? And I was like, no. Wow. And he's turned out to be quite hot.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
Ew. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's really accurate in a gross way. Tramp. Because it's kind of like shrimp, which he's shrimpy.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
I like that. He really looks like a Trimp. Who do you think is the perfect name to face and body, like name to person match?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
Yeah, but I don't know. That's like chicken or the egg.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
OK. Okay, I have a question, answer honestly. Yeah. Is it that just like overall the titillation in seeing like women on screen or, yeah, we'll say on screen.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
Okay, so it's all going downhill or is it just the age has changed?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
Hold on, I want to give you, because I was hard on you and I actually want to commend you now because I do appreciate that you as a guy really care about it being clean because I do think a lot of guys don't and then they just have skid marks and they think who gives a fuck. But really, you should care.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
And do you think the temptresses want to date? It's not right.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
They put all the back up front. That means they have a huge vagina.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
That's how we got there. Yeah. I mean, look, I, I get it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
Really? Yeah. I mean. I'm saying really in like... I'm dying. No, no, really. Like I would assume that you don't have any anymore. Oh.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
No, it's not that. It's just things do change. Like even for me, you know, today an article came out in GQ about, About my boyfriend, one of my original boyfriends, Ben.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
And, you know, my friend said, you have to read this article. Sure. About Ben. And I was like.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
Yeah. And actually she said, I know you're more of a Mac girl, but you have to read this. And then I got like old defensive, right? I was like, it's not one or the other. They're the same. Yeah. Yeah. Um, but I know at some point in my life, the idea that there was like new info about Ben or that he would have participated in thing. And I, and I, I would have been, I would have been so excited.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
I would have read it immediately. I would have canceled all my plans.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
And I was like, Oh, I got to read that. Like it like felt like a chore. Similar. I loved it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
Well, I also give a lot of credit to the interviewer. He's not going for low-hanging fruit.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
Exactly. And so in doing that, Ben says a lot of stuff.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
Exactly, exactly. And I mean, he just owns a lot of things. He talks about, I mean... I mean, there's nothing like majorly juicy, but he does talk about his relationship with Jen Lopez. And he's basically like, yeah, everyone wants like a juicy headline. He's like, it's it's just. It'd be so boring if you knew the details. It's just a relationship.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
It's just like she has things, I have things and it ultimately doesn't work. He's very like reflective of this thing about him that like people love to watch him spill coffee on the street. And he said, I could have been more strategic. I should be more strategic. I shouldn't like go out and get the mail or go out in crappy clothes.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
I know people are going to do a thing, but I just don't get, I don't give a fuck.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
And then, and he said, when he looks back on old articles.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
And that people are waiting for you to do something very silly.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
Exactly. And and he talks like about his kids because he has this production company with Matt. And like the reason they started that is so he could be at home. He can like be with the kids when they get off the bus. And he missed a lot of chunks. He said he missed a lot of chunks and he regrets that. And he doesn't like that. And yeah, it was it was great. It was great. I loved it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
Yeah, I just saw something about Ash on maybe Instagram. Some friends had seen it and they were raving about it. They were raving, yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
Perimenopause is kicking in. Same. Yeah. Yeah. It makes sense because I'm Indian.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
I'm Indian and you're white. So we would be hitting it around the same time.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
Yeah. Oh, wait. Can we do one more thing? Yes, of course. This is still sort of on subject. Yeah, yeah. Of hotness. So I say that, right?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
Oh, you didn't know to the end it was him? Yes. Oh, that's why I saw it. I was like, oh, Soderbergh has a music.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
I didn't realize it was her the whole movie until you just said that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
It's crazy that you said it because what I was about to say is, you know, we're saying this lusty thing, but I saw Black Bag and I thought it was so sexy. Yeah. And he's so sexy in it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
his his level of control is hot right he loves her so much yeah fucking he'll just betray his country for her yeah and she's so beautiful in it kate blanchett yes and also like i'm really upset because her outfits are so cute in it and then i just want all the outfits okay okay really bad okay yeah anyway i think that was her yeah
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
This is actually why you're liking young people less. Because I do think whether you are conscious of it or not, you know that you wouldn't really want to make that decision.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
No, it is clear. But I think I think when you're like watching Temptation Island and it's like, God, it's just like not doing it for me. I think it's because there's a subconscious streak now going through. Like, as you've said before, there has to be some reality to your fantasy.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
But the whole point that the reason that we have those genetics is still for status. It's for spreading your seed as far and wide as you can.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
No, I'm not saying there's a mother nature rule, but I'm but it's it's still culture still subconscious.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
That's what I was saying. Subconsciously, there is something in you that's like that's not a reality anymore. Right.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
We all thought you did talk about that recently. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
It's either insecurity and they need this like, um, woman to raise their status because they're beautiful.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
Exactly. If this person likes me, then you guys should all like me, right? Which I can relate to that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
Yeah. They they don't want it to be that serious. The older you get, most women want something a little more serious. So there's that. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
Probably, yes. I'm guessing, though. I would guess, too. Yeah. Anywho.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
Oh, see, this is why it's so funny. I know I'm sort of an outlier. I've always liked older men.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
Which is so opposite from men. You know? And I still do. I know from my female peers and friends. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
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Eiza Gonzalez
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Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
they don't want to run a house. Right. So, and that feels emasculating and things like that. So this is where the whole, like not being with an ambitious, not being with an ambitious woman, it just is tricky.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
I actually think culture can override it quite a bit over a long period of time. I don't think it's fast.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
Yeah, probably. Even where this all started, where I think the culture has seeped in enough for you to be... You would be embarrassed to do something that... We were meant to do. Yes. That that's an indicator enough for me that like over time, things do change and then modeling changes. So like what your kids have seen is going to be different than their kids.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
We'll be dead by then, I think. It's all right. Okay. Couple facts. Just a couple. Hot dog DNA. Ah, tell me. Yeah. Hot dog DNA. I've asked a lot of people this question that me and you had about would you rather eat someone's hair, eat their skin, or eat their... No, eat their... Skin, hair, saliva. Saliva, exactly.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
Well, the whole thing is, no, not all hot dogs contain human DNA, but a 2015 study by Clear Labs found human DNA in 2% of the hot dog and sausage samples they tested, with two-thirds of those samples being vegetarian. I mean, it's really not that much. But then it just made us ask the question, what would you rather have of those three?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
And I've been asking a lot of people... Oh, what's the consensus?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
Yeah. You said saliva. You'd most like, you'd most rather have saliva.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
Yeah. And I get, and like, I think a lot of people said saliva.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
I do. And that is controversial. No one's agreed with me.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
No, no, I don't think so. I don't know. I, oh my God.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
Much thinner. But the reason I say that, I think it's out of self-defense. It's because my hair is all over the place. And I think it's true that if you know me, you've eaten my hair.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
So I don't want to be gross. So I guess I'm trying to like I'm lobbying that hair eating is fine.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
Yeah, a lot of people. Someone said skin, which was shocking to me. That's the worst.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
No, we're talking. OK, this is like a finger. Yeah, not no, not the whole finger.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
Yeah. I know. I know. Nobody likes that. But the reason is, we've all done it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
It's really long. The other thing is if there is a hair in my food, which again, has always happens a lot. I am always like, it's probably mine. I immediately say to myself, it's probably mine. And then I don't look at the color and I don't think about it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
See, it could be yours. Yeah. Yeah, look, I do think I'm in a rare group about hair. That's cool, though. I can acknowledge that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
Okay, now the toothbrushing scene in Bring It On. Just gonna play that. Okay. Okay, she's brushing her teeth. He's putting the paste on Colgate, I think. Now he's brushing. They're like, it's kind of like meet cutie. They're going.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
He spit again. Oh, wow, okay. They're spitting and re-brushing. Now, I don't do this. I do it once. Okay, spit, spit. They're also not, they don't have toothpaste. All right, wow.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
Have you done it? Yeah, we had to do it. And I'm 100% Indian. Pure. That is incredible. I'm so pure.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Eiza Gonzalez
We're just proud to be Mexican. Yeah, it's the search for identity here that you're right is a young country sort of thing. But also it's a college application thing. I think that's when most people start to really do the deep dive. So they're like, I'm 0.2% Native American.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Dax's Mom (Laura Labo)
Also, do it as a family or like as a friendship. It's really fun because you can get your results and you can read them together. It's fun.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Dax's Mom (Laura Labo)
Have you heard of that? Delta had that. Did she? She did? Rose Aoli. Remember we kept calling it Aoli? Yes, in New York last summer. I have fevers. She didn't.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Rerelease: Dax's Mom (Laura Labo)
Oh, the story about your dad helping the bus driver was so sweet.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Anthony Anderson
He is an armchair expert, but he makes mistakes all the time. Thank God Monica's here. She's got to let him have the facts.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Gad Returns
You live through a hurricane. We just forgot. And also 9-11, terrorism, like our memories are so short. We do forget that we go through these horrible periods and we recover from those periods and then they come back. You know, it is all temporary. It's really hard to say right now.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Gad Returns
I don't dare say that again. One of our most treasured guests. Sacrilegious.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Gad Returns
They all were. I want to thank the armchairs. I put out a post and said, what do you want to hear on Armchair Anonymous? And people really gave amazing props. So I appreciate that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Gad Returns
There you go. Yeah, go to New York where you're useful. Yeah, totally.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Gad Returns
Yeah. It's also status right now. It's really cool to be friends with a firefighter right now.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Gad Returns
We got that list of numbers that I'm going to delegate.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Gad Returns
It's still there. Oh, yeah. As someone who edits... I think it's more Stern than it is NPR in a great way. Who doesn't love Stern?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Gad Returns
But he's choosing his authentic honesty over, I love NPR, I don't want to be disparaging, but that's more curated and Stern is more honest.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Gad Returns
Yeah, that's a good one. I'm starting to journal more.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Gad Returns
I love electrolytes. We all know this. This is tried and true.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Gad Returns
Right before the pandemic hit and right in the middle of a fire.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Gad Returns
I really do. Because she's a two-time national champion. Are you? Well, state. I'm a two-time state champ. Cheerleading. I never did that. Yeah, competition, cheerleading. But it's in your list of things.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Gad Returns
No, just winning anything at that level when you're in high school.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Gad Returns
Well, that's another thing that not having a father around will do. It will make you a performer and a comedian. A hundred percent. It really will.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Gad Returns
I was at Molly's gym, and she has a Peloton. And every time I'm there, I try to sneak up there and get a little workout. Steal a little sash. Steal a sash, because it is so fun.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Gad Returns
Yes. And any chance you can make working out fun, I'll take it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Gad Returns
In this situation. Well, you've always been really.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Gad Returns
It makes love so confusing for the rest of your life, I assume. A hundred percent. Who's to say what's real and what's not real. But then that's the question you live with forever. What is real?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Gad Returns
And did the therapist tell you it was okay for you to tell your mom?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Gad Returns
Wow. Okay. So for the listeners, you still have the dark eyebrows, but the hair is quite blonde. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Gad Returns
Have you had the Titanic conversation? Like, who are you on the Titanic?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Gad Returns
The movie. The film. Well, which is based on 100% reality.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Gad Returns
I was just in the house and our friend Anna, she had borrowed a sweater for me. It's blue and it's from Quince. It's gorgeous and it fits so well. And when she was wearing it, I was like, I want it back.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Gad Returns
Seems like you'd need her if she gets out of the fire. That's the thing. Right now, I need her this week.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Gad Returns
Another generous take on that is that they're worried that their identity will shift completely.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Gad Returns
You also make your own shit. That's part of your genius. You do your own thing. So no one can take that from you. You'll keep doing your own thing.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Gad Returns
First floor, second floor, third floor. Every fucking basement.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Gad Returns
Yeah. But also you said it earlier, you grew up with a huge fear of loss. That does not go away. I have the exact same thing.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Gad Returns
Thank you for that. Is it a lie because you haven't worked with us?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Gad Returns
Sure. You want to mix it up. Yeah. Do you think a little bit of this potentially has to do with we had a guest in who has like really fluffy hair?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Gad Returns
He's just cool. Maybe you go with some original words like cool.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Gad Returns
Dangerous but colorful is like... A flamingo because I think they think they're dangerous. Yeah, I do think they're actually hidden danger.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Gad Returns
That's your privilege because you're tall. So you could snap. But I'm too short. I wouldn't be able to reach.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Gad Returns
Those aren't colorful on purpose because they're trying to blend in. Right.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Gad Returns
I feel that I'm drawn to birds, not in life, but in pictures.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Gad Returns
I have a big photograph in my apartment of a woman. She has a cage on her head, but the bird is free.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Gad Returns
It's like golden cage a little bit, but the bird is ready to get into it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Gad Returns
Also, I almost bought this other piece of art, not Anne Monsoor, New Lady. Okay. And it was also a woman with a bird. And I like immediately DM'd and was trying to get it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Gad Returns
And then I thought, how many things with birds can I have?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Gad Returns
Okay, there's a picture that Lincoln painted of me when she was like five or six. She was really young. And Kristen painted a picture of me for Secret Turkey.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Gad Returns
Oh, okay. I only have one. Okay. I think I have the one Lincoln made.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Gad Returns
Yeah. I mean, I want people to see it, but... It invites a lot of questions.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Gad Returns
Circumstance, perhaps. Maybe if I get on the apps, which I probably won't, but if I do, maybe that could be my little picture.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Gad Returns
Yeah. So I have a little mystery too, but it's also being very obvious.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Gad Returns
Yeah. Also the Mao. I mean, that's why I also have this space. I've put some of my art of me here.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Gad Returns
Yeah. Which we have a lot of. We do. But that lives in our workspace. That feels fine.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Gad Returns
Yeah, but it's probably so inaccurate. Like, if I did a self-portrait.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Gad Returns
That's my sort of plea is we're in it right now and we're in triage mode and we're dropping stuff off and we're X, Y and Z, which is all great. We need to be doing it, but we need to be doing it in a month, in two months, in a year. This is going to be easy to forget, just like all natural disasters are. But this is a long haul and it's going to take a long time.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Gad Returns
Were you like this? Like you couldn't get your arm?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Gad Returns
OK, what I'm talking about. Wow. OK, for the listener who doesn't know Dan Campbell, it's everything I'm saying. No, I'm about to say the actual opposite. The way you describe him is not accurate. OK, I'm imagining who God, how do I. OK, I can't do this well.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Gad Returns
But when you say water buffalo, you have to understand what people imagine.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Gad Returns
It's not. Anyway, he's hot for the listener. This man is very attractive and he's not... What Dax explained, and he does look really tall and very muscular and fit.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Gad Returns
Look, I'm not here to make you feel... Okay, first of all, there we are together. Yeah. Look, I see what Aaron's saying.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Gad Returns
I encourage people to keep an eye on us and keep donating and keep helping if you can, of
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Gad Returns
No. We already established he was. Now this new guy is also very attractive, and he is 38.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Gad Returns
Oh, yeah, how fun. Okay, wait. Real quick, you're not letting me get a compliment out. I agree with Aaron in that picture. You guys do look similar.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Gad Returns
Now, you know what it's like to be me. Like when I hug big men.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Gad Returns
Wow. That's a first. I've not heard you say that about anyone. Hence my giddiness. Because you like getting into it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Gad Returns
Pin in this. I want to circle back to something, but... Okay, great.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Gad Returns
Yeah. There's some fire talk, but it's a really armchair episode because it's funny. Josh is so funny, but also it's pretty deep. We talk about his dad and a lot of and his insecurities. I don't know. I thought it was a really beautiful encapsulation of what we try to do here.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Gad Returns
People do this. Now you understand my knocking on wood.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Gad Returns
Good. Remember when I thought that Trump won because my ring was off my finger? Yeah. And you said you're not that powerful.
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Josh Gad Returns
That's how I feel about Trump. I still feel it. I still feel like potentially it was the ring and the bee.
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Josh Gad Returns
Me too. It's like a treat, which is so nice to have a treat and... I have to resist eating too many nighttimes because they're so delicious. I know. Don't eat too many.
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Josh Gad Returns
Yes, I did. So this is a big pivot, but it did remind me that while you were at the game, I had therapy.
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Josh Gad Returns
Guided by my incredible- Your spiritual advisor? Yes, she's- she really is worth her money.
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Josh Gad Returns
Well, yeah, I was like, maybe I just go to once a month and now I'm like, I got to go back to two times a week. So the fires, you know, it was the first time I'd seen her since then. Yeah. And first of all, January sucks. I'm going to say that just, just like as a fact.
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Josh Gad Returns
January is the worst month of the year. It's horrible. Bad things happen. Yeah.
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Josh Gad Returns
Three out of the five last Januaries have been horrendous.
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Josh Gad Returns
Januaries are bad. Okay. Okay. I'm sorry that your birthday is in there, but like it's a bad, bad, bad, bad, bad month.
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Josh Gad Returns
Yeah. Weather sucks. People die. Like things go up in flames literally. It's bad. But I do think they've all like taught me something. I've come out of the I walked into February with new information. It's been a gloomy January for a lot of reasons. Yeah. And I was talking to her about that. Obviously, for the fires, we were fine. Right. We didn't have to evacuate. Our houses are OK.
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Josh Gad Returns
Exactly. So lucky. But still, it's just been like, oh, my God, there's so much loss everywhere. Every day you're hearing about somebody else, you know, who lost everything and you're trying to figure out how to help. And it's just like overwhelming. So I kind of figured it was just that I was like, I think I'm just overwhelmed by everything. Everything going on. Then we kind of got to that.
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Josh Gad Returns
It was, I think, more than that and more personal. And I think people who are sort of struggling through this here who didn't who didn't have like massive loss, but are still struggling. Yeah. Because I know a couple of people who are like depressed, who aren't normally like I'm surprised.
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Josh Gad Returns
And I realized that like in the moment, especially in the moment when you're packing your bag up and it's I mean, you're panicked because you're like, I might have to be out of here in like 10 minutes. You're standing in your house or apartment or whatever. And you are faced with the two most. like deepest, most existential questions that we have, which are, who do you really have?
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Josh Gad Returns
And what do you really need? And it's both at the exact same time. Yeah. In a moment of panic, like you have to know the answer. Yeah. And I think we walk around with so much false security about those questions. Like we think we know or it's fine. But this is like push comes to shove. What's the what's your reality?
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Josh Gad Returns
Yeah. Yeah. If you're forced to ask those questions and the answer is I don't know, it's very heavy.
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Josh Gad Returns
It's very unsettling and destabilizing and like you feel untethered. Yeah. And I think that's potentially what, that's definitely what I am feeling and what I think other people might be feeling too. It's just going to take some time to process.
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Josh Gad Returns
But I found that helpful to know like, oh, that's what I'm sort of struggling with.
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Josh Gad Returns
Yeah. Also, she told me, and this was also fascinating is in times of true crisis. And this also happens like in death. Um, People become their truest, like most base version of themselves.
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Josh Gad Returns
And like not the person they've worked on becoming or are mostly.
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Josh Gad Returns
But who they are at their core. Yeah. And it's so true. I was thinking about who I was and who other people were in my life and what was kind of what I was bringing up about.
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Josh Gad Returns
But I don't know if it's genetic so much as. Yeah. Yes. But also what you did when you were a kid, how you coped, how you like a lot of. Like your biggest fears, your insecurities, those things come to the forefront and they're leading the charge. Like they are the thing that comes out. It's wild.
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Josh Gad Returns
But you're still a person. You're still a person in there. You still have a personality.
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Josh Gad Returns
Yes. I think there's like two things happening. One is like what you're doing. Right. And then the other is what you're thinking, who you are in those moments. Like it is it's different. Right. Like we talked about this before where it was sort of the first time I had to be like, I have to do everything. I have to figure out what I'm taking. I have to load it in the car.
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Josh Gad Returns
I have to make sure I have this and this. Things I don't normally things I normally just say, like whoever I'm with is going to do half of that stuff.
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Josh Gad Returns
And so I'm doing it. But what's coming up and who I am in it and what I'm thinking is like, I have nobody. I am abandoned. I am really all I have is myself. I'm scared. Yeah. First and foremost, like that's I'm scared. I'm a I'm a fearful person. And I have overcome a lot of that in life, but not in this circumstance. I can't. So it's like it's at a 10.
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Josh Gad Returns
And it also was... I think important for me to have understanding for how everyone's behaving. Like everyone is going to behave quite differently because we're all different and had much different life experiences and deal with trauma in very, very, very different ways. Cause like on Tuesday, Tuesday night, the first night when it was starting, I was like, You know, texting with a lot of people.
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Josh Gad Returns
And I was like, I don't even know... I don't know what to do. I don't know how do we... Callie and I were both like, well, yeah, we don't know what to do here. Like, where do we go? What do we do? We were also like kind of joking. Of course. And then I was also texting with Jess. And in my head, I was like, well, Jess... is down the street. So like, that's easy. We'll go.
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Josh Gad Returns
And then at like nine, the other, we start, I started looking at the other fire, the Eaton fire, and it is getting like bigger and bigger. And I called him and he was asleep. And I was like, Oh my God, how can you possibly go to sleep right now? Like, this is crazy. And then I was like, yeah, I think that's who he is in, in crisis. He like really, like, But to almost like whatever happens.
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Josh Gad Returns
Disassociated. Disassociated. Whatever happens is going to happen. I can't really control it. So I'm just going to go to bed.
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Josh Gad Returns
Well, there were multiple things. There was so much happening then that that is more complicated.
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Josh Gad Returns
That's a good question. I mean, I guess I'm probably I'm probably reaching out to people that will confirm. But but more I'm I'm especially in this case. I I know like I know for certain that you aren't panicked about. Yeah. Right. Yes. Yes. Yes. Me reaching out to you.
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Josh Gad Returns
That's Eric Larson. Eric Larson, one of my favorite authors. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Unbelievable. We've had him on the show. Not to brag.
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Josh Gad Returns
And then I think my fear then is if you respond without compassion.
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Josh Gad Returns
So what's the point? Right. Like I know where you stand on it and I'm not sure.
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Josh Gad Returns
Which would have been helpful, I'm sure. But I don't know in that moment... What is out of 10 is I'm alone.
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Josh Gad Returns
So... I don't think like all I was really trying to do subconsciously is confirm that I'm not. Right. Or that I am. Right. Get some validation or confirmation. Yeah. And so I don't I don't know. I mean, I was texting the range of people that I was texting was not they were not wasn't all panic again, just slept. So I was like, OK. Yeah.
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Josh Gad Returns
Yeah. You don't need to be good at meeting me at anxious. Like, I don't think that's good.
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Josh Gad Returns
Yeah. But maybe they were sitting with some of these things.
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Josh Gad Returns
And I think I know that about you. And sometimes that is where we butt heads because I feel like I can, should, it's okay for me to care.
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Josh Gad Returns
But do you think and whatever answers. Right. My guess is you think I overreact a lot in general, just in general as a person.
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Josh Gad Returns
I feel that you... that I get upset over things... Well, I do. I get upset over things that you don't get upset over.
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Josh Gad Returns
To me, that's fine. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The things I get upset over, I believe are upsetting. Yeah. And I think... It's okay to be upset about those things. And I understand that you don't. I do think at one point in our long friendship, I was like, why aren't you upset about this? I used to be like that towards you. I don't understand why you're not upset about this. This is upsetting.
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Josh Gad Returns
I don't think that anymore at all. And I respect that you don't, but I... I wonder if we can go right at it.
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Josh Gad Returns
Well, it's just very subjective. Like you cry and people come in here and they cry and they're allowed. And it's actually some it's to me, it's an asset, not crying. But but what we've built here and I do think it's we have built here a a place of honesty. Yeah. And to come in and to plaster a smile when I'm scared or there's fires or there's an election that I think is deeply disturbing to me.
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Josh Gad Returns
Yeah. I mean, I'm not saying we need to like wallow in it, but I think it would be such a disservice, not just to me, to this show, to our audience, to what we've built here, to pretend like... those things aren't upsetting.
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Josh Gad Returns
Yeah, we have facts. OK, so this is for. Oh, and I guess it's timely that we talked about the fires and stuff because this is for Josh. Yeah.
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Josh Gad Returns
Sweetheart. OK, Josh Gad, you can gift up to $18,000 tax free, but now it's $19,000. Great news. Great news for everyone. You said your grandparents took you to Scarface in 1981 on opening day and you were six and it was 83.
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Josh Gad Returns
But you know what? We already know that you wouldn't remember it if it was six. So it actually makes more sense that you were eight.
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Josh Gad Returns
skeptical of them but I could take a polygraph well yeah because you believe it so you'll pass it I know every time someone says now and I feel bad but when people say like oh yeah I was three and I remember I'm like you don't but okay I'm reading Bill Gates book right now oh he might because I believe it yeah but his brain's different than most people's so speaking of yeah Easter egg.
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Josh Gad Returns
I guess we can talk about this later. Maybe if you want. Okay. Have you started telepathy tapes?
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Josh Gad Returns
Yes, she did. Most of the girls are listening to it in our group. Okay. And nonverbal autism. A lot of people have stories about their children.
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Josh Gad Returns
I haven't got there yet. But also they mainly with their like parents often. I mean, I'm only I'm only one episode. I do think the human brain.
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Josh Gad Returns
And I think, I kind of do think anything is possible.
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Josh Gad Returns
Yeah. He says there's little science to back any of that up.
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Josh Gad Returns
I don't know about the over miles because I'm not there. Well, someone said something really interesting about they were like, we've all in some ways communicated telepathically, like nonverbally to people we are very hyper connected to. Sure. And just in a room, you know, you can feel we can feel energy shifting. There's real.
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Josh Gad Returns
Yes, yes, yes. We've had them on. I know you've had it.
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Josh Gad Returns
But don't you think even when we're sitting here, I'm sitting there next to you. You can't see my face.
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Josh Gad Returns
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, sure, sure. And vice versa, I do too.
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Josh Gad Returns
I know, but I think that's a little like... That's a little rigid, I think. OK. All I'm all I'm trying to say is I think people do communicate nonverbally a lot. We don't even really recognize it.
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Josh Gad Returns
And I do think people are on a scale of how attuned they are to other people's energies. And it depends on the person. Definitely.
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Josh Gad Returns
And so I don't know. I'm open to that being the truth.
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Josh Gad Returns
Yeah. Remember the woman we had on... About hiring more neurodivergent people? Yes. And she herself is neurodivergent. Yes. And remember, like, she has synesthesia. She had the opposite of... She could just pull the meaning from a book from basically staring at the pages. Like, she does have skills that just...
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Josh Gad Returns
That's all very interesting. And I don't know why I brought that up. There was a. Oh, memories, maybe memories about memories. OK, real quick. He said the funniest person he ever worked with was Andrew. Reynolds minus us.
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Josh Gad Returns
Exactly. But we have not worked with him. So then it brought up this interesting question.
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Josh Gad Returns
Then that brought up this interesting philosophical question that's in my book, Intermezzo. There's a really interesting question that comes up in this book I'm reading that's sort of similar to this of what's truth and what's a lie. And I'm going to, we'll talk about it next week. I'll bring it up.
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Josh Gad Returns
I mean, GLP-1s, that was a really interesting question. Topic and conversation, I thought. I was happy he talked about it.
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Josh Gad Returns
But also, yeah, they're just doing so much. They're finding so much interesting stuff about GLP-1s. And I'm interested.
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Josh Gad Returns
Not for weight loss. No, not for weight. Yeah. Not, not even for what I just want to see. Like, what does it do on my psyche?
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Josh Gad Returns
interesting yeah again it sounds all great but beneficial to me it might highlight what your addictions are because if you stop wanting something it might tell you like actually you crave that a lot yeah yeah anyway um all right so that's it all right i rode my bike by your house today oh you did yeah did you wave yeah love you love you
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Nick Kroll Returns
It's a show called... I'm moving on to Adele. I can't explain this, dude. What was he talking about?
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Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
Okay, do you practice, you know how people can get good at crosswords by understanding how crosswords work?
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Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
Is that how Jeopardy is where you can learn tricks kind of or not really?
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Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
I also knew you were tall, but you seem extra tall today. Did you grow? Okay.
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Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
You know what I liked when we had James Morrison on? He said he wore lifts. It was very nonchalant, but he threw it in there, and I liked that.
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Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
This was 17 years ago. I'm real, I'm real.
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Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
Oh my God. Can you imagine though if you were not a celebrity and someone came up and asked, will you take a picture? And they got in the picture with you. That's what's happening in their brain. It's scary. Wild, yeah.
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Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
Maybe they're used to that, to being like, oh, I got to get to Miami.
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Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
That's where the best ideas come from.
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Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
Well, how long does it take? To rebound? How long does it take to rebound? Yeah.
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Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
The irony that it literally almost full circles into gay.
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Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
Like, it starts off so masculine, and then you're like jerking each other off.
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Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
He was at UCB during my time, so I saw him on stage all the time.
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Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
No, it's like watching somebody open somebody's present. You said, this is the best joke I've ever come up with, and then we have to watch a reaction.
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Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
It's kind of good. It's like humbling in some ways for actors.
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Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
Ew, do the bathrooms at clubs just stink?
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Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
David Sedaris. I think we have five. I know.
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Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
But you've done a live show for us. That gives you an extra.
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Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
I can see that happening. You're very busy.
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Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
I'm sure we did it on the fact check back then and we will have to do it again.
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Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
Look at that. Look at that. I was maybe going to cut it. Now I can't.
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Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
Yesterday was such a weird day for me.
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Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
In television series, sometimes there's an episode called a bottle episode. It's an episode that's sort of a one-off episode in the middle of the series that normally doesn't really take place in the same location. It has fewer of the like regular characters. It's sort of a one-off.
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Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
Um, yesterday was the bottle episode of my life. Oh, okay. I had a bottle episode. Okay. Wow. Yesterday I had to, we had nothing. We weren't recording.
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Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
It was going to be great. Uh-huh. You know, I was going to have time to edit and get ahead. Yeah. Me too.
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Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
Grindstone. Yeah. But I did have one thing to do, which is go to Santa Monica for my face.
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Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
Shout out again to Jen at Corrective Skin Care. She's just changed my face.
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Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
I'm so grateful for her. Anyway, so I had to go to Santa Monica, but...
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Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
Yeah, if you cared about that, I'm sure.
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Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
Skin is skin, but not really. Like the issues that you'd have on your face are probably different than the ones on your butt cheeks. I don't know which specific ones you're referring to.
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Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
Well, do you just want to get it waxed? I mean, I mentioned hair earlier.
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Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
OK. Well, I think first step would be that.
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Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
And then some sort of serums and moisturizers.
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Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
Could she make it brown? I don't think so. You could do self-tanner.
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Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
It's a tint. I think. I mean, it might help. I don't know.
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Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
That's nice. You could get another spray. You could get back into spray tan.
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Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
Why don't you just also you could suntan them.
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Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
Do you want to go to my house and do it?
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Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
I mean, I might randomly come to my house.
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Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
Yes. Yes. She's the best. But normally we're... All circles back. Circles? Oh, my God.
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Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
So we normally are recording. So I have to go after we're recording, which means I have to do a whole thing, right? Like I plan the face appointment at 445 so that I can just stay in Santa Monica.
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Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
That's what happens. And then sometimes every now and then you talk on the way home.
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Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
So this time, since we didn't have anything, I was like, oh, I can schedule it midday. And I can try to avoid some of this crazy traffic.
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Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
So I scheduled it for 12. Relaxing morning. Actually, I had a tiny bug. Okay. So I went to bed at 8 the night before and I woke up at 10.
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Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
I really needed it, I think. I still didn't feel that great when I woke up, but better based on the sleep. But anyway, so I go to Santa Monica.
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Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
Don't say that. Why couldn't it have smelled good?
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Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
You know, one time Delta came over. We stopped by my house to get something and we were going shopping. And she came into my room and she said, it smells like Monica in here. I love this smell.
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Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
Anyway, so I go and drive there. It takes forever, but it's fine. It's fine. And face appointment goes great. I decide I'm going to go. This is an hour, 15 minute drive, right? It's fine. Then I decide I'm going to go to R&D Kitchen afterwards. Oh, what a treat.
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Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
Montana Street, drive there, sit at the bar, have my delicious chicken sandwich, have a cookie.
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Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
Secret cookie. They have secret cookies there. And I don't know if I'm allowed to say that. Sorry, R&D, but that's what happened. Get back in the car. I'm like, okay, it's an hour. It's saying it's an hour and three minutes. I hate that place. I know, but okay. All right. It's fine. Start driving back. It's going to be longer than an hour and three it's looking like, but I'm like, it's okay.
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Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
I still have time. I'm going to get my work done. It's okay. Everything's okay. Don't panic.
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Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
I'm on the highway. All of a sudden, the- Tire warning light comes on. The light comes on. It shows me which tire. And I was like, oh, maybe it's just like nothing. Maybe just low air pressure. Sure. And then it is dropping so fast. Okay. And it hits zero. Mm-hmm. And I was like, I wonder if I can keep going. Yeah. I don't think it's smart. Let me pull over and see.
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Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
So I got off in Culver City, still extremely far. I had not made it very far.
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Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
So I get off. I go into this parking lot. And luckily, my dad had forced me over Christmas to buy this basically plastic air pump. Oh. And it's really cool. It's digital. You like plug it in. It tells you what the pressure is and you can fill it up. So it did say zero, and I tried to fill it up, and it could only get to five. Okay. So it was clear there was a big issue here.
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Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
Then I am really, like, deflated. Defeated. I'm in fucking Culver City. Time is a ticking.
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Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
Exactly. Traffic is just going to get so bad. I don't really know what to do because— Big grievance. Cars don't have spare tires anymore. Right.
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Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
Okay, but I couldn't have because I ended up having to move the car to another parking spot because this woman was mad at me. Yeah. And then, and it was like so bad driving from one parking spot to the other. Okay. Because these are drive flat tires. Run flats. The idea, what's it called? Run flats. Sorry, run flat tires. It's the idea that you can go like 50 miles on low, whatever.
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Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
But that's not true. I couldn't even go one parking spot over. Anyway, this was all horrible. I didn't know what to do. I texted you. I called you. You were on Kristen's set. And then you were texting me some places I could take the car. But I was like, Oh, God, then I'm going to be stuck in Culver City. Like, this is a disaster. Luckily, my dad forced me to get AAA. Actually, he pays for it.
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Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
I know. It's really sweet. And so I called AAA, and it says it's going to be an hour. I was like, oh, my God. Just, I want to die, you know?
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Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
Yes, but also I'm like, but I have to, like, I have to get it. I got to do work. What am I going to do? And it says it's going to be an hour away. And then it's not, it's only 15 minutes.
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Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
Yes. But the thing is, we decide, you help me decide, that the smartest thing to do is for us to tow the car to our area.
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Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
Who you know and you love. And so I was like, God, I'm going to be in this car with this stranger.
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Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
Right. But yeah. So, so I'm like, I'm going to have to be in a car with this stranger for like an hour and a half. Well, I had already worried about that. I was like, what if I Tonka and then I have to pull up, like, what am I going to do anyway? So this man comes to pick me up and he gets out of the truck and he's like, what happened? I was like, this is already a disaster.
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Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
And I was like, well, he was like, did you hit something? I said, I, maybe, I don't know.
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Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
Yeah. Well, no, it was more like, I don't know what happened, sir.
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Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
I am just a little girl. And then he said, okay. And he, you know, puts it up there and I get in his car. And then I share my location with Jess. Cause I was like, I just, this is uncomf. Like I'm about to be in a car. that's scary to me being in a car with a stranger. And I was very skeptical.
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Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
And so then he starts talking immediately. He's chatty, you know, well, first he says, how long do you have to wait? I said, Oh no, long at all. Oh good. And then he like goes into a very long spiel about sometimes people have to wait hours. It's not his fault. It's because the line didn't train, you know, he didn't get the call. And then his son calls. He takes the call with the son. Yeah.
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Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
He's around, I would guess, 70, I learned.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
So he then tells me about his son and he's worried about his son, but he's doing good, but he's worried. He does have some mental health problems. And then we talk the whole ride. He's going three miles an hour.
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Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
A little bit. And I did think, oh, my God, because we the shop closed at five. This was around three. And I was like, I don't know that we're even going to make it. So, you know, I'm having a lot of this turmoil of like, I just don't want to be here. Yes. I don't want to be here. I'm stuck here. This is fucking sucks. My day is ruined.
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Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
Yep. And, and then I'm like, I gotta like start doing email or talking to someone. And, and then he, he said, his name is Ted.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
Says, you know, kind of kids these days are really addicted to their phones and he'll have a lot of people on that are just, you know, they're addicted to their phones. And so I was like,
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Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
Yeah. I was like, I can't, I need to be present here. Yeah. And then he said some really sweet stuff about he likes being the part of people's day. Like it's, you know, their day has gone bad. Yep. And he likes to.
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Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
Yeah. He likes to help people. And then I was like, you know what? I'm just going to be present for Ted.
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Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
Not going to answer the phone. Then we talked the whole way.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
So, so nice and kind and sweet and lovely. And it was a bottle episode. It mostly took place in the car.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And yeah, he told me all these all these sweet stories about his life. And I just really, really enjoyed Ted. Well, first he said, first he looked at me and he said, you're Filipino.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
Yeah. And I said, no, no, I'm not Indian. He said, I knew that. I know that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
I think you're a one of one in that category. I'm jealous.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
Oh, shit. Yeah. Okay. Rob has an update.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
He went back to the coffee shop and he got this merch that says Atelier BF.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
It is really. I feel bad that we aren't giving this to Vinny.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
This is Mocha. It says barista Mocha and designer Fluffy Boy and Brown are longtime best friends.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
Brown. So maybe, okay, Rob is Mocha, you're Fluffy Boy, and I'm Brown.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
Yeah. Um, all right. Well, we're a little bit on a time crunch. I did do a, yeah, we'll save that for next time. No, we'll save it for next time. Um, okay. So this is for Ike. We just love Ike so much. Now, you said there's a saying 10 feet tall and something. And then you said bulletproof? There's a song called 10 Feet Tall and Bulletproof. It's by Travis Tritt, 1994.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
There's also a ding, ding, ding quote from Eastbound and Down, 10 feet tall and strong as an ox.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
Cost of Bitcoin to $85,675. That's a little lower?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
Well, I don't remember the lowest it's gone so far, but it's been declining. Okay. Now, what is EBITDA?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
A company's earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation, and amortization. That's a hard word for me, amortization.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
Yeah. And it'd be like if you around me and you kept calling it Indian.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
Oh, nice. Okay. Is progeria when you're aging really quickly? Yes. Rare genetic disorder that causes premature aging in children.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
Who was the other person in Jeopardy! semifinals with Ike? There was Ben Chan and then Jared Watson, right? He was the other one.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
I'm so proud of Jackie. That's awesome.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
He said 1995 Bill Clinton signed National Hugs Act. That was a joke.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
It's not real. Okay. And I'm sad about it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
I guess we did dodge a bullet there. Okay. Did Marilyn Manson.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
Well, I don't think you would like some person coming up to you random going, honk, honk, tune in Tokyo.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
Okay. Did Marilyn Manson take his ribs out so he could suck his own dick? No.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
Did Bruce Springsteen kiss Clarence Clements? Oh. Yes.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
At the end of the song Thunder Road. Clarence said that it just happened spontaneously the first time because Bruce was kneeling down by him. They loved each other like brothers and it just seemed natural. Then I guess they made it into a thing. Okay. He talked about eating a gigantic sandwich.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
The way he was talking about that sandwich.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
I wanted it so bad. And then I ate, I got a gigantic sandwich immediately after he left.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
But is it different than a sub? Dagwood.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
Oh, interesting. Okay. Anyway, I think he could sell sandwiches like as a second career.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
Just by saying I ate a sandwich, like it really got me. Okay. Who's the rat race actor who looks like Ike? His name is Vince V. Loof.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
V-I-E-L-U-F. Is fucking through a sheet.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
But no. Is it a thing in the Hasidic Jewish community? No. Let's just put that to rest.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
And then Mezal Tov, you say at the end of the episode, that's an old callback. You used to say it all the time. Our early listeners will remember it well.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
You weren't saying it because measles have had an outbreak. You, it was an old callback. Um, that's it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
Maybe some people don't know who are listening, so we should maybe explain it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
And I guess we should say I don't feel bad spoiling this.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
Yeah, of course. That's just part of the deal.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
I would watch for a little and see if I wanted to keep going. I can't say now that I would stick for the whole day.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Ike Barinholtz Returns Again
But I'll be honest. You're right. If I was watching a live stream, that's probably a no-go. But if I thought it was about me.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
I'll send you a picture of my hair wall. I do a hair wall.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
The only time I ever blow dry it is if I'm getting it done.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
I didn't mean to turn this into compliments. You're allowed to have something that is just fucking perfect. Okay. Speaking of insecurities, it is the only thing I am secure about. We're all allowed to have one. One? Yes.
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Nikki Glaser
Well, because the men and boys did the choosing back then. But that's why I think it's changing. Because now girls, women, all of us ladies, we are, you know, more educated. You're making more money. Many more things than sex objects. Exactly. And so I don't have to just say yes to your proposal. And it used to just be like, oh, this guy is asking me out. I guess I have to say yes.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
You're waiting to be asked. Yeah, that's a really good point.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
You wanted to be famous so that if you were, that's the world telling you you are hot.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
Oh, well, do you think they'll send us some merch? Because I would really love a shirt that says that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
Oh, yeah. Dairy Queen. I was in sixth grade and a boy said he couldn't date me. He liked me, it seemed, but he couldn't date me because my parents worked at Dairy Queen. They didn't work at Dairy Queen, but a lot of Indian people worked at Dairy Queen. So he couldn't date me because I was Indian. So then that was obviously the moment where I was like, oh, so what? No one can date me.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
That's a fundamental thing about me. That's a no for people. He represents everyone. Everyone. Because why wouldn't he? You're in sixth grade. Because you liked him. And I liked him. Yeah. You know, so it's like the people I like don't like this about me. So this is going to be a fun life.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
He didn't say it to my face. He said it to a friend. A friend was like, why don't you ask Monica out? Oh, this is important. He said, I would, but. So it's not like, I just don't like her. It's like, I would, but I can't because she's Indian, basically. Whoa. And not because she's Indian. Like, I don't like the culture. That would make me feel different, probably. You know, that's the subtext.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
Oh, my God. Is that stay with you to this day? I am fucked up for life from that one thing.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
Oh, you never have a chance with them. Yeah, exactly. It's like they're so unavailable. So they can't reject me. Yes. I'm picking the quarterback of the football team when I'm a sophomore.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
Does this go on for you now? Now, really, I'm just like, if it falls into my lap, that's great. I do so little pursuing of dating. But still, it's because rejection is still so horrific for me.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
I'm like, I should. And then sometimes I do. And you're right. I always feel better after, but forcing it. And same with working out. You know, you will always feel better. You've never left the gym being like, why did I do that?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
So I can't be. Instead of you thinking you're a bad person, you could channel it to whoever else is probably not a bad person. The other Swifty, the other person who's writing something shitty about her. Instead of saying, I'm a bad person because I did that. Instead, it's like, I'm not a bad person and I did that. So they're probably not a bad person either.
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Nikki Glaser
Yeah. I mean, also, you can listen. You can keep listening. No one has to watch this. If you if you prefer to listen, you should listen. But some people really enjoy seeing a visual. And we've enjoyed it more than we thought. We've enjoyed doing it more than we thought. So we figured, you know, why not offer that up when we can?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
Also, we do have guests coming up that are on video because of that exact thing where it just they don't want to be on camera. They don't want to be on camera.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
Slash even we've made some decisions like this specific person is probably better to not.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
Yeah. Me and you both have Sim stories and we've been dying to tell each other.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
But M. Night Shyamalan, I get it. It's like you don't, you really don't know.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
Okay, so my Sim story is our last fact check. We were talking about dating and... Oh, the matchmaker. The matchmaker. And the ghosting. The ghosting. You saying, I wish you would just go talk to people. Yeah.
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Nikki Glaser
And, you know, in the calling business, not the exactly not the incoming call business. OK, so we had that whole conversation. The next day I was on Instagram, the Instagram app.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
And there was someone whose story I saw that I thought was fantastic. I follow this person and really, really like this person from afar. I don't know. I don't know him. But our paths have crossed many moons ago.
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Nikki Glaser
Oh, no, no. He is so funny. I just find him to be the funniest person. And so anyway, I'm watching these videos and I'm laughing and I text a friend who I know sort of knows him.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
And I said, hey. Blank. Hey, this person's name. Yeah. Is he straight and single? Do you know?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
She said, I'm pretty certain he's straight. I don't know if he's single.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
She said, I'm almost certain he's straight. I don't know if he's single.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
Yes. And she said the last time I saw him, I was walking around the reservoir. So we should start walking around the reservoir. Oh, wow. Oh, yeah. That's great. That's fun. We made some jokes. OK.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
I mean. I guess, like, it's sort of half joking. Like, we're not really going to just, like... But maybe let's anyways.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
Sure. The next day, the next day, I was walking down the street and I walked past him.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
Like had such a visceral react for so many reasons. One, it was.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
I know. Oh, I know you're not going to like where this goes, but it was it was it was like the what's the universe doing? Is it is it telling me like.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
Well, I didn't want to stare. Okay. I got it. I got a shock to my system because of the overwhelm of the coincidence.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
And I did not want. To make a thing. And so I went to this store and just like jumped into this- To hide. Store to hide. Collect yourself. And text my friend, of course. Oh, right. And she said, did you say hi? And I said, no, I don't. I don't know how to say hi. I said, I don't know how. Hi. And then she said, and then this is why things get kind of confusing, right?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
Because then she was like, okay, yeah, maybe that is best. Maybe, I know, I know you wouldn't like that part. Give me her number. No, she said. Do I already have her number? I think so.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
She said, maybe you should, like an introduction is better. And so then I was like, yeah, I don't know. Anyway, I shopped at the store. I probably bought something.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
Exactly. I walked back past and I like shook my head a little bit.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
And I, okay. And then I told Jess about this and he was like, you told yourself if this happened again, you would say something. And I forgot I did do that. Like, remember the guy I saw in New York who I thought was so hot and I thought, oh, I should just say, hey, you're so, hey, just so you know, you're so attractive.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
Have a great day. Remember after him, I was like, I should have said it. Yeah. And then after the hot guy at the bar, at the, at, Brentwood Country Mart. What's the bracelets?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
Yeah, that doesn't count. But the other guy at Brentwood Country Mart that was so attractive.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
It was... Well, I didn't know how... I could take it as I'm mad at myself. I should have said something or... Wow. The universe loves me. Sure. Gave me something. I'm not. I didn't do anything about it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Wait, okay. What happened again? Yeah, you told...
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
I know. That was so funny. Okay. Anyway, so that was just, that was so, the next day.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
You had a whole bit there though. You got to rip off Benson Boone's clothes. That was great.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
Okay. Now you have a sim moment too. Now let's hear it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
I thought when this first popped up, I thought it was something for the show. I thought something in the museum.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
The Dax listed at about $20 each. I'm going to read the whole thing.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
I know. That's how I am feeling. Like, yeah. How explicit do they have to be the sim engineers? That's nuts. And they're begging. I think they want to. I'm getting nervous, though, because Eric says the more we're on to it, they'll unplug. They'll start unplugging.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
Yeah, we need that in here. A hundred percent. So this is a ding, ding, ding-ish because my favorite podcast, Nobody's Listening Right with Elizabeth and Andy. Elizabeth loves signs like this. She lost both of her parents when she was quite young. So she often... sees them in the universe and they're winking at her.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
She loves that. And I, and, and I like it too. And that is a sign from the universe. It was a sign. It was a sign to like, keep going.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
Also, you know, we have a friend who did hypnosis. And I think I've said this before, but I think about it all the time.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
Listen to that episode. That was an interesting episode. Yeah. I got hypnotized real time on this show.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
Yeah. Now, this friend got hypnosis to stop vaping. Part of it is you say, I used to do that. I don't do that anymore. Never again.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
I think it's so, I think the, I don't do that anymore.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
Is so strong. It's actually, it's like the past, the present, the future, all in one thing.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
Yes. But the present is the one that is the most impactful. And it's similar to, it is okay.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
Yeah, but it's tricky because some things... Some things never change. Some things, I guess, depending on your addiction, some things don't go away. There's something to me about the mantra, if you're really trying to quit something, of just like... Not like I won't want this because I think that's a lie for certain things, for certain people and certain addictions.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
Like, I think it's not like, don't worry, you won't want this soon because that's not a reality. It might not be a reality. It's just like, yeah, I used to do that. I don't do that anymore.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
This is a ding, ding, ding, because this is for Nikki. And we do talk about addiction.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
Yeah, but not... I mean, I guess the armchairs are my good friends. Yeah. I got two numbers that week.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
I played it really cool. And... Too cool? Well, no, because... You exchanged numbers.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
And then I, you know, I went in the corner during that part.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
You get the, you always, you're just like, give me your number.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
Yeah, she's so great. She's so great. Okay, a couple little fackies. Gracious loser face.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
Exactly. Okay. Do they do knee tucks? Yes. A knee tuck, also known as a knee lift, cosmetic procedure that improves the appearance of the knees. They can address loose skin, excess fat, and other signs of aging. Speaking of skin, I did the thing. I haven't done it in so long, but I did the thing you're never supposed to do where I felt something sort of under the skin just a tiny bit.
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Nikki Glaser
A hint of a pimple? Yeah, but I don't know if it's a pimple because it's been there for a long time. It's under, it's like under, but it's not a cyst. It feels like I can like, I can like feel it. More like a pinprick, like a splinter. Yeah, yeah. And so yesterday I started fucking with it. I know. And now I created a whole issue on my face. And we're about to, Kristen's hosting the SAG Awards.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
By the time this comes out, it will have already happened. Also ding, ding, ding, Nikki, Golden Globes.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
And I'm there to help her write her stuff. And so I'll be there. And now I have a whole thing on my face. Where is it? It's right here. You can see it. It's okay.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
It's okay. I was just like, why don't we learn these lessons? I know.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
Baby girl is a slang term used to describe an attractive man, often a celebrity or fictional character. It's a term of endearment that's become popular with Gen Z. Like a lot of people are like Austin Butler is baby girl. Timothee Chalamet is baby girl.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
Yes, probably correct. Attractive, cute or vulnerable. Oh, vulnerable. Also, it's this sexual dynamic. Oh, based on that. Well, not I don't know if it happened first, but the movie Nicole Kidman, Baby Girl. There's milk. She drinks milk. Like a kitty? Well, she does drink like a cat.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
And I don't know if it's different from when she also drinks milk because they've made that joke a lot on all these shows. And I fell asleep during like 10 minutes of the movie. So that might have been when she drank the milk. Okay.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
I missed your racist thing. That was probably Sim, but that was probably my dad saying, go to shower now.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
Yeah. So anyway, baby girl is like a dominant woman being treated as a sub sexually, like dominant in life. Yeah. Being kind of subordinate sexually. I think often to a man who... might be subordinate to her in life. You know what I mean? This is kinky. Well, yeah. And baby girl, she's the boss and he's the intern.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
See, I wanted it to be hotter and I didn't find it hot.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
I wonder if you'll think it's sexy because I... I... in theory could see it being sexy. But then when I was watching it, I was like, it's not really for me.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
What about, okay. One time you dated this kind of older model. Oh, were you kind of subordinate there?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
Okay. What did Taylor Swift, good old Taylor Swift, say to Nikki in response to her apology? Her apology said, I love Taylor Swift. Okay. Unfortunately, I am featured in her documentary as part of a montage of asshats saying mean things about her, which is used to explain why she felt the need to escape from the spotlight for a year.
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Nikki Glaser
It's insanely ironic because anyone who knows me knows I'm obnoxiously obsessed with her and her music. The soundbite was from an interview I did five years ago, and I say in such a shitty tone, she's too skinny, it bothers me, all of her model friends, and it's just like, come on. This quote should be used as an example of projection in Psych 101 textbooks.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
If you're familiar with my, quote, work at all, you know I talk openly about battling some kind of eating disorder for the past 17 years. I was probably feeling fat, again, that's in quotes, feeling fat that day and was jealous. And I was only bothered by her model friends because I'd like to be her friend and I'm not a model.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
It is very. Then Taylor said, wow, I appreciate this so much. One of the major themes of the doc is that we have the ability to change our opinions over time, to grow, to learn about ourselves. I'm so sorry to hear that you've struggled with some of the same things I've struggled with. Sending a massive hug.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
So I, of course, got so many texts, and it was like, did you see Stern? I was like, whoa, God. I really hope he didn't see it. Also, Dax is obsessed with Stern. Like, Stern is his idol. Okay, I didn't realize that. I, too, went to watch, and I was like, oh, this is fine.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
But then I was annoyed because I was like, he actually doesn't do this, and now he's going to do it even less, and I need him to do it. Exactly. And I DM'd her, and I was like, hey— We really want to have you on. Also, Dax isn't the one asking people. It's me.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
Everyone needs people, you guys. Yes. Everyone needs favors.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
The reason I brought up the thing is because I wanted to do a full circle. And this is important to say because I was a little annoyed and I was upset on your behalf and upset on my behalf because I was like, oh, this is going to be a problem for me. So Kristen is hosting the SAG Awards. Oh, my God. Really? Yes. And she hosted them in 2018.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Nikki Glaser
And that's when I was her producing partner and creative partner. And so I wrote her monologue and I did all that stuff for her then. And so she asked me to do that this time. So I went back to look at that original monologue. I kid you not. There is a joke that is about Marc Maron.
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Nikki Glaser
That I wrote. We didn't have our show yet. That is literally the exact same joke. I loved that show. My jaw dropped. I had no memory of writing that joke. And also I was like, this joke is fine. So that joke has to be fine too. Oh, that makes me feel so good. It doesn't mean anything.
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At 24, I lost my narrative, or rather it was stolen from me. And the Monica Lewinsky that my friends and family knew was usurped by false narratives, callous jokes, and politics. I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again.
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So I think listeners can expect me to be chatting with folks, both recognizable and unrecognizable names, about the way that people have navigated roads to triumph. My hope is that people will finish an episode of Reclaiming and feel like they filled their tank up. They connected with the people that I'm talking to and leave with maybe some nuggets that help them feel a little more hopeful.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
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Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Wondery Plus subscribers can listen to Armchair Expert early and ad-free right now. Join Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts. Or you can listen for free wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome, welcome, welcome to Armchair Expert. I'm Dax Shepard and I'm joined by Monica Lilly Padman.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
As I keep staring at your 500 million streams. Yeah, turn that around. Come on. Yeah, that was bragging.
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Monica Lewinsky Returns
It's a bit bragging. But that's amazing. But back to the thing of asking the follow-up question. I think as long as the next follow-up question is something that I'm really interested in that you might think is too vulnerable, but I know and trust in my heart that the answer to this is not going to alienate you to people. It'll actually endear you to people. I'll make those judgment calls, right?
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Monica Lewinsky Returns
Where it's like, yeah, they went to five. My interest is I want seven. What happened after that? And if I have a lot of faith in the fact that that piece of information will just make you love the person even more, then I don't mind kind of pushing.
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Monica Lewinsky Returns
Do you want to ask me something so that people love me more?
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Monica Lewinsky Returns
As much as people hate that couch is how much people all love you. It's like kind of universal.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
That is very nice to hear. It actually was a span of a year for me. So I turned 50 the year before in 2023, and then it was 10 years in 2024 from my first Vanity Fair piece. And I did a lot of personal spiritual growth work going into my new decade and into this last year. And the number of, I don't know, see, you're making me emotional, but the number of times...
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Monica Lewinsky Returns
in that period that I just would pull the car over because I'd start to cry or be in conversation with someone and just thinking about how things had changed in a way for me that I just never could have imagined. And I'm so, so grateful.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Yeah, you said turning 40 was absolutely miserable.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
It was great, actually. I had a lot of acceptance.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
You were kind of in a coma for a decade, right? Yeah. And then 40 to 50, you came out.
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Monica Lewinsky Returns
It kind of blossomed. You know, moving into 2014 and the essay, I've done this, I can now call it resonance work. People understand when I say... What's resonance work? It's like sound based, but vibration and resonance works. Like EMDR? No, I've done EMDR, but I've worked with someone for... Probably over 15 years now on repairing my energetic bodies and field.
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Monica Lewinsky Returns
And he uses sound to repattern your field. Depends on how woo-woo you are there. But I've just called it consciousness work or my energy work. And one of the first things we did was around changing my relationship to fame. Yay. And so my whole goal in that was bifurcated into two things.
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Monica Lewinsky Returns
One being, being seen for my true self and the other was, it sounds so corny, but it's just leading or coming from compassion. That's what I want my resonance to be in this feeling of when we have compassion for other people, that boomerangs back to us. And my story is such a collective story. And so when people would have compassion for what happened to me, that compassion would radiate.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
OK, so I think if we plotted your experience with fame, that might be the most extreme that we've ever had that I can think of.
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Monica Lewinsky Returns
Total pariah of a whole country to lessening degree globally to, I really think, pretty universally loved. I think when people see or hear your name, they have a good feeling.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Yeah. But I guess from your perspective on the inside of that, to have been on both ends of the dynamic extreme, how do you trust either end of it? I could imagine you being loved and really having an impossible time accepting that. And then even thinking, OK, great, you love me, but fuck, I know where this ride goes. It's going to flip again.
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Monica Lewinsky Returns
For you, I'm imagining reality itself is a little harder than it is for the average bear because it's been so extreme in both sides.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
A hundred percent. And also too, you know, when you're writing and there's a seed that starts to germinate and you kind of go, I don't know when this is going to grow and I'm going to write this thing. But I've had this thing for quite a while now where I've just been thinking. I've also seen different angles of power and felt when power shifts, how that impacts other people too.
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Monica Lewinsky Returns
When Me Too happened and I just started to find myself invited into rooms that I wouldn't have been invited into the year before. I wasn't different.
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Monica Lewinsky Returns
And so what are all the pieces there that lead to those shifts? And what does it mean? Which is interesting to me. But I think the fame thing is very strange. I had somebody say once fame is just more people knowing who you are than you know of the other. So it's like strangers knowing who you are.
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Monica Lewinsky Returns
there are trappings that can come with it. Usually it's the positive side. You have a lot of resources and help. And the negative is you lose your anonymity and privacy.
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Monica Lewinsky Returns
Maybe 20%. I think just having experienced the depths of sadness and lack of purpose and
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Hopelessness. Yeah, hopelessness. All of those things. What the fuck am I going to do for a living? Yeah, exactly. How am I going to ever date a guy?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
I think that 80% was just the gratitude of that and 20%. But to that point, it's why I really dislike the word reinvention. Oh. Like, oh, you reinvented yourself. I think, no, there was nothing wrong with me. I evolved. I matured. The world changed. But that reinvention seems to imply what was there before needed to be changed. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Okay, so the 10 years, really, I would argue longer, 16 years from 98 to 2014, you get your master's in social psychology, you do a lot of things, you attempt a lot of things, but you're kind of frozen as well. Do you think you're younger than you are?
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Monica Lewinsky Returns
Yeah. Not that you're immature, but I was just like, oh, you're not your age.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
No, it's a very strange thing because I think I had to mature and grow up faster in some areas and in others, very stunted. And also, it's interesting because I dated somebody who has had an addiction that was in its sort of wildest throes for a decade. And he and I were talking. He was like, well, the decade where I should have been meeting somebody and having those kinds of experiences. Right.
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Monica Lewinsky Returns
He's like, I was in the throes of my addiction and I too had lost that decade. When you're learning to date and you're learning how to be in relationship. And I had lost that also. I also remember reading this interview with Matt Damon that I think he was saying his brother had this theory that people often remain this sort of same maturity age when they become famous.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Exactly. Sort of frozen in amber in one of those moments.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
If everything you want is happening perfectly, why would you change? It would be counterintuitive to say everything I'm doing is working perfectly. Let's change up this recipe. I think it's much easier to go like everything's in a shambles. I need to take a look inward and figure out how I'm fucking all this up in this pattern I'm in always results in this.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
So I think for the young movie star where it's like all of a sudden super rich, everyone likes you, career fulfillment, and they're going to go back to the drawing board. That's a big person that does that.
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Monica Lewinsky Returns
Can I ask in as long distance more appealing to you?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
What's that mean? Tell me the symptoms of anxious attachment.
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Monica Lewinsky Returns
Let me open Instagram and find a meme that tells you the things where I take every fucking box. I will now never go on a date again after this airs. No, I'm just kidding.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
No, you'll go on a date with the right person after.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Yeah, that's right. One of the characteristics of being an anxious attacher is you need reassurance. You always think people are mad at you. What's hard with relationship stuff, I think, is that you can't see your progress. It's like it has to be in vivo. You have to meet someone and you like them and they like you and you start the process to go, okay, has this gotten better?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
And so that I think can be complicated too, because you may not know where you are.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Also hard to evaluate because the nature of a relationship is it's incredibly powerful and dynamic at the beginning. And then you're trading different hormones for here and now hormones. And you're trying to evaluate that versus is this getting boring or is it getting more stable?
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Monica Lewinsky Returns
I don't know that I have been the love of someone's life yet romantically. And so that feels sad to me. I can relate to that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Now, what would happen if on your deathbed, a genie came down and went, Monica, these two people, you were and you missed it. Is that possible? I can't imagine you not being the love of someone's life.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Romantically. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I know my parents. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Let me say this. I think that I have historically liked complicated men and usually an anxious attacher likes an avoidant.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
That makes sense. And so... It wouldn't totally surprise me if that happened because I would probably go, see, I knew it. I knew they really loved me. I knew I really mattered. But I guess where my head went was... When situationship became a word, I was like, oh, I've had a lot of situationships.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
What are those? You said that in an interview I just read and then I didn't know what situationship meant.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
It's like a half relationship. Right. It's sort of an involvement. Let's just say a relationship is two people agreeing to try to build something for the future together as a unit. And I think a situationship is usually it could become a relationship. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you're not necessarily saying it's a relationship yet.
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Monica Lewinsky Returns
One of you is probably hoping it becomes a relationship and the other one's like, I'm not so sure, but I still want to keep a toe in. I'm not ready to run the other way or whatever that is. I had someone tell me once that a woman should always have three men in their life. The guy who takes her to dinner, the guy she's fucking and the guy she likes. Oh.
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Monica Lewinsky Returns
And so that's a way to kind of keep the- Keep it in balance.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
You think you have had a love of your life, potentially, or some. Well, that's interesting. Now I'm going to have to reevaluate how I'm defining this all. I was just saying to someone the other day, I feel like in my life, I would not be surprised if I met somebody and it all sort of fell into place now as a mature 51 and a half year old, whatever version of that relationship that would be.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
And I wouldn't be surprised if... It just kind of never happened. Right. Either way, some of it I think is maybe karma. Some of it is a lot of the time and work and energy that I've spent on surviving. I might have otherwise used to figure out emotional intimacy.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Calling your way out of this enormous hole you were put in. That takes a lot of energy and focus and attention.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
But you love it, right? I love it. Immediately. Yeah, you and Rob could have some weird male-female home goods store that would service both ends of the... Home goods. Oh, my gosh.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
It does. But where I feel really lucky and I imagine you're the same is just I have really fulfilling friendships and relationships in my life. And so it's the combination of emotional intimacy and sexual intimacy. It's a little tricky for me.
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Monica Lewinsky Returns
And I think increasingly society is evolving. The number of married people in Manhattan in the 80s versus now is one third of what it was. And I do think there'll be less shame surrounding whatever version of you meeting your needs is.
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Monica Lewinsky Returns
I remember, I don't know what happened to it. I read about it before the pandemic. There was a matching site, not dating, that was matching people to have kids together. And I just thought that is so genius. You know, it's really interesting. And as you were saying, Dax, about the spectrum, we are becoming this society of spectrum in so many ways.
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Monica Lewinsky Returns
And it's going to be really interesting as we move forward too, of how are we going to historically look at scientific data that was so binary. You're a man or a woman, gay or straight. And we're moving into a world that's more nuanced while the chasm between groups is even bigger and worse.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
At 24, I lost my narrative, or rather it was stolen from me. And the Monica Lewinsky that my friends and family knew was usurped by false narratives, callous jokes, and politics. I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again.
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Monica Lewinsky Returns
So I think listeners can expect me to be chatting with folks, both recognizable and unrecognizable names about the way that people have navigated roads to triumph. My hope is that people will finish an episode of Reclaiming and feel like they filled their tank up. They connected with the people that I'm talking to and leave with maybe some nuggets that help them feel a little more hopeful.
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Monica Lewinsky Returns
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Monica Lewinsky Returns
Thank you. I feel so short in this. It's a little sinky.
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Monica Lewinsky Returns
You know what's nice is the complaints are universal. They're not consistent... No one likes it, but for a myriad of reasons. So we can't even really figure out how to fix it. This is the third couch.
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Monica Lewinsky Returns
Well, more importantly, one boy liked her. She liked the boy. And the boy said, I can't really be with her because she's Indian. Oh, he said her parents were a dairy queen, but that was code for India.
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Monica Lewinsky Returns
And I'll add a particularly cruel twist is this pattern also is anyone that likes her.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
So when people do like her, something's wrong with them, obviously. Yeah. Because she's already accepted no one likes her. That's immovable. So if no one likes her and someone likes her, what the fuck is wrong with this dude?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
And again, it's not like everyone's like, it's too deep or it's too shallow or it's just for you now, it's too short.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Isn't it maddening? Especially when you love somebody.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
It's so common, I just want to add. We have so many guests where Monica and the guests go off to the races and they connect so much on this thing.
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Monica Lewinsky Returns
It's interesting because I think I feel so much shame around it because I'm super open in my friendships with people at a private conversation where it's not out there. I'm very, very open, but I think I feel so much shame from it. I talked about this. The first episode of my podcast was me being interviewed. Yeah.
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Monica Lewinsky Returns
And so I talked about when Joyce Brothers went on the Today Show and said, can you imagine someone bringing Monica Lewinsky home and telling their parents that they were going to marry me, basically? Yeah. And so I think there's this fear of, oh, see, you were all right.
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Monica Lewinsky Returns
I know. Top that off with whatever childhood shit I had, too.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Yeah, exactly. This is kind of a great segue to one of my questions. So, yes, basically what we're really talking about is very few incidents. can result in this kind of permanent life trajectory. And so when we talk about reclaiming, the premise of reclaiming, right, is something you've lost or was taken that you get back.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Or I'm too short. I think it is. I think people sink in it a little bit.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Well, first, let's talk about that, because I have a broader question of should we reclaim? Is it always the right move to reclaim? Or is there time to jettison the thing we thought we needed away? and accept what is, and then build something new.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
To me, the building something new is a reclaiming. What it usually is, is there would be maybe a hole or something that we could label. This person, this job, this opportunity, whatever it was that you felt was lost. You either try getting that very same thing back or you're finding something else that then fits that slot.
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Monica Lewinsky Returns
Okay. How are you doing? Good. I'm a little tired. I was like, oh, this is not the kind of mindset you want to be and go to try to sound like a human. No. And I also keep thinking there's an earthquake happening today.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
There are these kind of capital R and lowercase R reclaimings, big things being my last decade, reclaiming my narrative. That's a capital R. But the example I'll give is I have road rage.
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Monica Lewinsky Returns
Oh. Oh, we would be fun in the car together. Oh, yeah.
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Monica Lewinsky Returns
But before I then also flick the person off, if I stop myself from doing that, I've reclaimed my calm.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
It's kind of an ethos. It's like mindfulness. It just kind of blankets all of our lives in different ways. When I was forming the show and pitching it, the best example I could think of that shows this elasticity with the concept is Taylor Swift and Taylor's versions. So she has this catalog. It gets taken away from her and she can't get it back.
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Monica Lewinsky Returns
So she comes up with a whole new way of reclaiming her music. Right. Yeah. And I think the conversations that I'm having, it was great. I sat down with John Chu the other week. It was kind of a broader thing, which is around his identity and his identity and his work. So it's really loose. Now, having had this conversation, I'd want to talk to you about identity. I'd want to talk to you.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
I'm really interested in the rehab narrative of people who are publicly successful. go to rehab, how they come back out without those crutches and find the courage to continue to do. Jason Isbell won his Grammy after Aaron Sorkin won his Oscar.
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Monica Lewinsky Returns
You're doing a show with Amanda Knox. Yep. Where are you guys at in that?
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Monica Lewinsky Returns
We are going to finish shooting in two weeks.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Oh, really? Yeah. Is it here in L.A.? Overseas. Is it in Italy?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
She did not go back for that portion, but she has been back. She is a brave soul. Wow. I will definitely have her on the podcast when the show is coming out.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Do you know John Ronson? Have you ever had him on the show? So he's just a brilliant guy and had written a book. So you've been publicly shamed. Oh, It sort of brought the Justine Sacco story. This was the woman who got on the plane to Africa.
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Monica Lewinsky Returns
Oh, and when she landed, she was fired. Jonathan Hyde just saw her. Yes, because he just came up on an episode.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Yes. While John didn't write the story, I mean, the Times had covered it. He went into her story in context. But so John and I knew each other. And then John knew Amanda and had connected us. But then we actually met. We were both speaking at the same event. And it was her first speaking event.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
I haven't done that many this last year. I was doing a lot. And then coming out of the pandemic, I had a whole bunch that had been scheduled. It's not picked up in the same way. And I think I was tired. I love doing it. I really like talking to young people too. That feels really meaningful to me.
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Monica Lewinsky Returns
And also, I think there's no playbook on how to transition from having this big public story that is traumatic and moving on in your life in a way where you're able to support yourself, that you're not having to relive your trauma. Yes. Every day, all the time. Lean on it. Right.
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Monica Lewinsky Returns
It's like you have a premonition or you're feeling it? No, no.
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Monica Lewinsky Returns
And so when I'm public speaking, it's going backwards to move forwards and to sort of help people and feel less alone in all those ways. That's what I love about the podcast is that I just get to sit and talk to people and hear their stories.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
It was like three times today. I sort of was, oh, was that an earthquake? Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
You can make an argument either way. So like you take the power away from something by openly talking about this is the antidote to shame. That is true. That's been my experience with sharing stuff. But then there's another thing to monitor, which is like, how damaging is it to constantly revisit it? What is the damage of just not being able to put that away forever?
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Monica Lewinsky Returns
The ideal place for it is to just be able to choose. I want to do this versus I have to do this because I've got to pay my mortgage or put food on the table or pay for therapy. I think those are the differences.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
But even with the net, there's categories, which is interesting because I mean, almost your obligation if you're a member of AA is you get sober and then you share your story and you share your story for the rest of your life. And you get a daily reprieve from sharing your story and you encourage other people and inspire other people. No one's going like enough of your story.
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Monica Lewinsky Returns
They're not going like get over it. In that domain, that's a wonderful, powerful thing. But then in other domains, people are going like, enough.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
I don't know. You're anxious. Is that it, you think? Okay.
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Monica Lewinsky Returns
Oh, yeah. The problem is that the way trauma sort of worms its way into our memories, into our physical tissue, you can't totally excavate it out. EMDR can help an enormous amount, but my therapist who's a trauma psychiatrist, she'll say the echo gets quieter, but it's always there. And so there is that element too of how am I protecting myself and my own mental health, but it's a difficult thing.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
what's happened to people in global scandals, especially when you're young, because you get very defined by it. People tell you to move on. And yet when I came out of graduate school, I couldn't get a fucking job. They're telling you to move on, but no one else has moved on. Exactly.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Would it comfort you at all to know that I, too, don't feel energized and bright?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
OK, I always bring it back to this because I just found it to be very powerful. But we had this sex therapist on and I was asking if because of sexual abuse, you have certain we'll call them kinks, but positively you have preferences. How can you blame someone when they've been given this situation, if they have certain desires for the rest of their life, is that good or bad, right?
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Monica Lewinsky Returns
And she said, oh, this is very, very simple. She used sub-doms. Like there are a lot of people that have been abused that they like to be in these sub-dom relationships. And she just said, if you have shame and secrecy around it, it's bad and destructive. If you have no shame and secrecy, then yes, explore what you were given. Here's your isms now. So I was wondering... Where are you going?
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Monica Lewinsky Returns
I'm not going sexual at all. But what I'm going towards is you are in a very extreme situation and you're going to have things that developed out of that. At what point are you able to just make peace and accept? Oh, yeah, there are certain things in me that I don't need to fix. This was the hand I was dealt. I'm now this way. I don't have to fix it all.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
And do you have acceptance of whatever things grew out of that?
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Monica Lewinsky Returns
My experience is that, but maybe a tiny bit adjacent in that. Yeah, I'm just not going to get to working on that. And I'm OK with that. Right. OK. Yeah. It's that acceptance. And that was a lot of what I had in my 49th year. So right before I turned 50. And it's so freeing to just be very open. happy with who I am and very comfortable with who I am.
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Monica Lewinsky Returns
And it's like, you no longer, I mean, people don't buy CDs anymore, but you no longer go out and buy the CDs that the guy you like, you know, likes. It's no longer that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Yeah. In the past, you'd have been trying to figure out what music this guy liked.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
I think I was always like that. Also growing up at a time where not all young women, but many young women got messages from their moms about how you're supposed to be in a relationship. What does it mean to get a man or keep a husband? Yeah. Or I remember hearing in class once and they were like, well, they used to call women going to college was getting an MRS degree. Oh, yeah. I've heard that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Underneath it all is the message. Who you are and how you are right now is not enough and not OK.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Eventually, you'll attach yourself to something with substance. That'll be a man and a husband. And then you'll have an identity.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
You're Gen X. Right. Right. Because you're. Yeah. It's interesting. I found this really useful, although it felt so banal to me at first. But one of the mantras my therapist had given me was, yeah, this is what I do. Sometimes when I'm feeling anxious, I send an extra text. to start with not making it worse on myself.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Mercury's in retrograde, which makes sense that here I am coming back to the podcast. Circling all the way back. What do I have?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
And so starting with self-compassion and recognizing, and I think going back to something we were talking about much earlier, but in terms of the self-awareness and the evolving that happens, we're also all these different versions of ourselves, right? The different ages and the different parts. And so that's also recognizing, again, kudos to my therapist.
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Monica Lewinsky Returns
She's like, well, the you who sends the email may not be the you who's waiting for the response.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Yeah. God bless therapists. Oh, my gosh. Seriously.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
OK. You've had some great guests already. We could talk about many of them, but I am interested specifically in a few.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Molly Ringwald, of course. And I have to imagine you are the same as me because we're the same age. And the sun rised and set on Molly Ringwald.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Oh yeah. First of all, Molly is an extraordinary woman. She is brilliant. She's an incredible writer. She has such presence and she has a really unique presence too. So I was excited to talk to her because right, we grew up with her. It was really fascinating to hear that John Hughes wrote 16 Candles for her, having never met her and having just been given her headshot. What?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Which I was like, okay, that's very complimentary and also a little creepy because she was a teen, not trying to disparage the filmmaker of our generation. Sure. As a woman, I think it was an objectification that then had things projected onto it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
He created a movie version of Molly Ringwald that became an identity that probably wasn't Molly Ringwald's identity. There's probably a chasm of how he saw her and portrayed her in all these projects that wasn't her.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
They're so precious. I'm fighting so hard for every one of them. Do you have, let me start there. We're of the same age.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
That would have been a good question for me to ask. Oh!
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
We have to find a medium. Oh, my God, that's a funny, stupid show where we have a full medium and we interview dead people. That would be great. Yeah, kind of like an impression.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
I wanted to do somehow a TV show when journalists have passed away, if you can get access to their notes. And does that mean anything that was off the record in their sources? You know, if both people had died, like, wouldn't that be interesting? I wonder how many stories might be totally recontextualized to know who the sources were.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Yeah. And he was telling us that while writing the big short, two of the characters in it, what he was not allowed to share was that his dad was the president of Lehman Brothers. It was like some off. the record thing.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
It absolutely killed me because it was so relevant to what was happening. He was betting against his father. So, yeah, that kind of stuff would probably come out.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
So what was Molly's version of that experience?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
She only knew fame from this very young age and this catapulting into a high level of fame on the cover of Time.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
She is an icon. She dated him. I don't think they married.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Okay. We'll fact check it later. I just remember thinking, this is ideal.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
I made one of the worst comments to her. I've only met her once. I was seated next to her. This is in my list of 20 dumb things I've said to people. I was sitting next to her and I was so excited. I was with Kristen. So I was like, this is safe because I'm with Kristen. I was like, is it a bizarre experience that every time you sit down with anyone of my age...
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
You know, they were in love with you. That's an interesting reality I'm curious about. Yeah. It's just an awkward question. What is she supposed to say? There was no answer she could give. I didn't think that part of it through, but I am still fascinated by it. That's a very interesting way to go through life. How did she reclaim?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Her Paris years. She moved to Paris to really find out who she was.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Just listen to Beanie's edit yesterday. Well, it's funny because we started talking about the tapes and Beanie and I had talked about the process and that came up and I was listening to the edit and I was like, I didn't explain if somebody doesn't know my story, they're not going to know. This is where I'm learning.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Oh, that's one of my, you just reminded me of one of my questions.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
You must be experiencing this in a very exaggerated and compounded way. The impermanence of everything is so fascinating.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Because you meet tons of people that literally Clinton is a dude from their history book. Exactly. That's all.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
OK, so I have this weird cultural relevance because I'm a lyric in fucking rap songs.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
What? Yes. Oh my God. I mean, Beyonce's not a rapper, but I'm in partition in a not very nice way.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Did you buy a jumpsuit on your 50th birthday?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
You're the most rapped about person in America.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Beyonce should come on your show. Beyonce should come on my show. I would love to talk to her. She's extraordinary. So there's that. But I had a weird thing. I was at, you know, the artist Shepard Fairey. Yeah. It was his gallery. And some eight year old kid came up to me and knew my history. The whole thing was weird to me because I'm like, you're eight. You shouldn't know anything about me.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Yes, this was really fun. I really enjoyed this one. She has a new podcast out called Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky. She has incredible guests.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
I already own like six. I had a whole jumpsuit phase like two years ago. It was a good phase. But I guess what I'm asking, is there anything you're in a full fledged battle with? So for me, it's my hair density. And I'm applying with a dropper in the morning and at night. And I hate what it does to my hair. It makes it really crunchy and greasy.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
I mean, I joke a lot about people used to say, no offense. Do you know who you look like? And now it's the TED talk or anti-bullying work.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Leno's got a great story about this. He's doing a live standup show in Vegas and he's just fucking around before his set. And he sees guys with a dolly and they have a huge statue clearly under a tarp. And he's like, wow, what is that? And they're like, oh, it's the Elvis statue.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
He's like, where are you going to go fix it?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
And they're like, no, we're taking it down. Nobody who comes to Vegas knows who Elvis is.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
That's what I'm talking about. I'm talking about going, oh, wow, none of it matters. It all moves fast. It's in, it's out. It's so temporary and it's so impermanent. That's kind of what I'm talking about. How could everyone know something at one point and then no one knows? That's the part that I feel as I'm getting older.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
It's like, oh, yeah, I'm just now transitioning to that thing where I'm not really relevant in these young people's life.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
you have a voice in a different way. So they may not know you from those earlier things. But I think also, again, this is a fact check, but isn't Nelson Mandela's story too? Early years of having been known one way and then becomes known more from the latter years of his political career than some of the earlier ones.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
I feel really lucky because I feel as if in this last round, I mean, I was always a public person, but not hiding in many ways.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
I can sit outside at a restaurant now. I might worry a little if I'm going to a restaurant where paparazzi hang out. But even then, it's like, OK, my hair is lighter. I don't get recognized, which is really nice.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Yes. Midway through life, I'm just really struck with like, oh, wow. Yeah. And everything that happened to my grandparents meant so much. And it's just gone. It's sad and it's good. We're just here for a minute. And that's it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
No bullshit, just nicotine. It's a liquid. The whole family's addicted to it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Yeah. Were you ever a smoker? Social smoker.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
I usually have a cigarette on election night every four years.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
All right, I just have one salacious question for you.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Hold on, let me... Yeah, get your salacious armor on.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
The Menendez brothers. You went to school with them?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Yes, I did. The youngest one was, I think, a year or two older than me. Really, my memory of him was sitting next to him waiting to audition for The Music Man.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Yeah. We had the same call time. I don't know.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Audition time. Audition time. Audition time. Right. Exactly. So the older brother was gone before you got to school. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
I think so. I don't remember their age differences. So it happened while you were in school? Yes. I think they were on Maple or Elm. I can point the street out to you. I just can't remember which one it was. And it was like, oh, that's the house.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Yeah, it's a pretty wild thing to happen in high school. We had some wild shit.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Yeah. But I think, again, it's interesting. It's one of those stories.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
It's like yours where you go back and watch it and you go, oh, I see it completely different now. Right.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Exactly. Whatever society ends up deeming as the right thing to happen for them is fine by me. I hope if they do get resentenced in some way and let out that it becomes a much bigger conversation for all of the people who are languishing in prison, who committed crimes as a result of having been abused. Yeah. Because I think that's the majority of people.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
And I'm like, yeah, I just got to fucking deal with it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Otherwise, it just bothers me that it's sort of the attractive white boys. There's so many different instances where it's so easy for us to look at a story and think of everybody, whatever category of story is a monolith. And I love context. I have been known to send emails that are like, here's a short version. Here's a long version.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
I think sometimes the old issues that you kind of go, wow, I've been working on this for a really long time. You just observe it showing up in a different way. So I think I had one of those this morning of, huh, I don't want to get too detailed, but I've talked about this thing.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
You choose which one you want because I will always go with the long version. But people like the short version. A lot of people do. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Well, I'm glad you're doing reclaiming because you're built to talk. You're a great, great guest the first time and you're a great guest the second time. And if any of us can figure out how to shoot the shit for a living, fucking what a win.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Yeah, it would have been four years, five years, but we wouldn't have made impeachment yet. Having been a producer on Ryan Murphy's impeachment and having a first look deal was really the first opportunity I had to do something that had nothing to do with my story, even
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
though my lens is shaped by and my brother was always like okay you can't have these head scratchers you have to take people on a narrative journey of the projects you're going to do it's like why are you doing that you're not an expert in this okay he's not that harsh but that's what you hear from me whether that's what he's saying yeah no no he finally thinks i'm funny so it's It's a big win.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
It is such a big win. 51 years later. Yeah. Actually, I have John Oliver to thank for that. He's like, well, John Oliver said you're funny. So he's a big fan of this show. Hi, Mike. We're giving you a shout out. So with impeachment and having had a first look deal and focusing on other people's stories, but then with the contraction in Hollywood, it became difficult.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
And as someone said to me, producing is an expensive habit. Yeah. Like if you're not in a deal or independently wealthy. So I love producing. I love storytelling.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
It's hard. It's hard. I would apply the racing adage. That's my favorite, which is, you know how to make a small fortune in racing. Start with a large fortune.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Exactly. Increasingly. That's good, yeah. Want to become a millionaire as a producer? Start with a billion. Yeah, exactly. Well, Monica, this has been a blast. Everyone should listen to Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky. It's available absolutely everywhere. We're siblings under the Wondery world. So delighted to be with you.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Thank you guys so much. We love having you. Thank you.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Stay tuned for the fact check so you can hear all the facts that were wrong. Hi.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
That's probably not the thing you should talk about when you have a first conversation with somebody that you've been set up with romantically. Probably not the thing to talk about. Because it was too intimate. Overshared. Probably it was an overshare and I felt really comfortable with the person, which was nice.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Hi. Okay. I've never met Aaron Weakley. Oh, hi. But I heard he's the ultimate boy. He is so darn human. I wish I were flawed like Mr. Weakley.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
He has a very cute smile. I wish they made robots with teeth.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Yeah. If I correct you, get your energy from food. Yeah, we do.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Oh, so you're recovering still a little bit.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
You got adjusted to the time zone, man. Yeah, that's true. This was a very haphazard trip. We're talking on the phone yesterday. And I just go, should you come out tomorrow morning and record some more of our podcast?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
It was a regret. Start a regret. And then I said, wait a minute, it's not too late. Okay. Are you, I have an exciting update for you.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
I'd be honored to eat some skin. Don't you think the context is a little relevant? Because it's really like, what one do you want in your food? One of those items has to be in your food. I said spit because you wouldn't know. Okay, but if you would. If you did know. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Okay, well, let's be really specific because I was just telling Monica all about Aaron Stinchcomb and the murder and all that. Yeah. And there was a period, Monica, where he worked at Big Boys, the same one that Aaron and I worked at.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
But then after I just thought, OK, but I also told that same story the other week to in a way that was a little inappropriate. Clearly, there's something that I need to deal with about this whole thing. I sound super cryptic.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
You've heard our Big Boys stories. Oh, yeah. Okay, so now here's your choice. You... Shit comes making a mall.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Yeah, there was a lot of burning carpet. Um... So Stinchcombe is making you a malt. Okay. And you either see him spit in it really big or cut off the tip of his finger and put it in the malt. In a malt? Yeah. I guess.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
All right. So we got a. Well, it's fun because now we have three different things. I said spit. He said skin. You said hair.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Wow. I think because girls deal with so much hair all the time and it's on your brush and you're taking it out and the whole thing. You have a much closer relationship with hair.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Yeah, I want to ask her. She's not going to answer because she's baking, but let's find out. You think she's a hair person? I hope.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
No, I love it. I really want to have coffee so I can be told the same thing and then levy a verdict. There's two ways to think about it, though, right? One is you go ahead and be you and you're going to weed out whoever that's not the right fit for them.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Hi. Quick question, because we're polling everyone. You are either going to find in your food.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
That's a big victory for Monica. But by the way, I don't know why it's such a big victory because I agree that it's probably women feel fine with hair.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
That's such not an obvious answer to me. But you wouldn't know. You just wouldn't know. You'd be eating and then someone would go, someone would spit in there and you'd go, oh, I didn't know.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Aaron wants skin because he'll pretend it's ham. Okay. And then I want spit because I wouldn't know.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
But I would know. Someone would say, hey, there's spit in here. Or they go, there's a hair in here. Or there's skin.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
I probably would continue to eat if there's spit. By the way, there's spit in all your food because people are talking in the kitchen and coughing. Well, actually. Some of the food. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Because that served me really well for 50 to 51 and a half years.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
I said to know Monica is to have pulled her hair out of like your armpit randomly. It's just on you.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Yeah. Thanks for answering. I know you got a busy cooking project going.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
I'll put it all in there. Throw it in. All right. I love you.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
So that's one side that's defendable. But then the other side is exactly that. Yeah, I do that. And it does weed out people. And I think the people I'm weeding out are the people are probably better matches for me. And I'm probably attracting like minded, hyper explosive, overly intimate, very quick. And you got to figure out which side of the line you're on.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Yeah. With a fork and knife. Sure. And ask for a second.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
That one feels, the only one that feels dangerous because it could maybe cut your intestinal tract.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
I do. So you've eaten it. Then I chew on the nail. Exactly. And you're right, sometimes I'm like, where is the nail?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Yeah, she kept moving it all over the couch. Oh, in here. Yeah. Right. She couldn't get comfortable where she was putting it to remember me. Yes, yes. Best case scenario, remembering would throw it away. That is right. But every time she'd commit to a place, she'd be talking. Then she realized, oh, I'm going to forget about it there.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Yeah. It went between your legs on the couch at some point.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
And the theme's really awesome. It's about reclaiming your identity.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
You'd rather eat a fingernail over a booger? Yes. That's extreme. I think I would, too.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Okay, okay, okay. But do you want to hear the thing I saved for you?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Hi, Monica and Dax. Love this episode so much. I know Monica doesn't read the comments, but I was the person with the clipboard who recognized Monica and said I was a big fan. Just to hopefully quell any anxiety in the future, I wanted to say that no one is judging you for not stopping. Baiting people with emotive causes, no matter how important, is manipulative and counterproductive.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Our goal is never to make anyone feel bad. It's great when people stop, but it's totally fine when they don't. We never know what each person is going through. Also, I promise every person out there has received serious verbal abuse. LOL. So a sorry not today is perfect. Most of us who do this job are starving artists. And while we love the causes we represent, it's not our end goal either.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Like you, we hope to not be harassing people on the street forever. You definitely didn't lose an arm, Cherry. The interaction made my day.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
I think we're all very self-aware people here who are aware of ourselves, our emotions, our behaviors, how we want to show up in the world, as opposed to how we do actually show up in the world.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
You feel worse because she was letting you know that it's okay. But she's so nice. And she liked meeting you. It was fine, despite the fact that you were running from her as fast as you could.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Monica's going, oh, thank you. Like, right? Yes. I did. Yeah, you got overwhelmed. I understand.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Morning Morgantown is her handle. Morning Morgantown.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
I was like, yeah, that's right. You leave your town and you come to L.A. and you don't know what to do and you just got to find something. Exactly. And I can imagine myself having the job when I first got here. Yeah. I can put myself in her shoes very easily.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Coming here and just like, God, how on earth do I make a living? Okay. And some friend tells you, you know, you could be with a clipboard in front of Ralph's.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Which is great because if you get hungry, it's directly behind you.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Yeah, I was happy to read that. And okay, what did she say you can say? Sorry, not today. She said sounds great.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Well, I've done it. How long has she been in the ER? Wait.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Have they intubate? I mean, if you hear someone's dealing with intubation on the phone, you're not going to think they're a dick.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Erin, I wish you would have come a couple of days earlier because Lincoln had a spectacular birthday party on Sunday and it was volleyball themed.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
And so you just keep trying to chip away and move towards something. And they're just those moments where you go, OK, I'm not there yet. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
But I missed it, huh? Yeah, we did four games. Shit. It was so fun. Did it look intriguing this time? No. Nothing?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
What were the topics of those conversations?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Oh, right. It's always a combo here. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll ask Aaron. Maybe Aaron feels like you do.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
No, I think it could easily go the other way because that would be consistent with Aaron because your thing was like, why do we have to do all this shit?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
I could see it going the other way where he'd be like, yeah, fucking you look how you look. That's also very Aaron.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Well, I mean, I guess someone's making peptides look good.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Monica doesn't. She's kind of anti-peptides.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
I agree that we all think we are. But do you think it's an illusion of self-awareness?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
There was a very funny moment when you brought up that conversation because there was an exchange back and forth where it was like all these numbers. Remember how funny that was?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Yeah. So I guess what I'm saying is I think we are all semi self-aware and we know how to read a room. We know how to do this stuff, but we are who we are. And at best, it's a con. And at worst, we're not even impressing upon people what we think we are. I think a lot of us have the illusion of it, but really, we all know who each other is.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can go to a hormone doctor. Most of them can prescribe you them. But this all started because a woman in Germany took a peptide that brings out all the melanin in your skin. And she has turned herself black. And she's moving to Africa because she says she identifies as black. That's insane. It's crazy. Yeah, it's offensive on a lot of levels.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
That's what started the whole peptide conversation.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
What's that? I think it's called dihexy or something. And it's a peptide that, yeah, makes you think faster. More sharp and such. And I take it on days with interviews and research.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Like, I need that. Yeah, clear up some of the fog.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Haven't you realized how good it is? I'm going to have to rely on you to tell me. I've noticed for the last year that your interviews have been bad. And then I'll go, oh, that's about the time I start.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Yeah. I mean, I don't know. Yeah, my memory is a little better. My word recall is a little sharper. And I take it on research interview days. Does it work instantly? I don't even know. I mean, truthfully, I'm not even sure if it works.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
You don't feel any different. Nor do you like, you're on testosterone. Yeah. It's not like you take a shot of testosterone and you're like, I feel. Right. You don't feel anything. Yeah. You just notice, oh, I've worked out more. I've, you know, I've more engaged. Like retrospectively, you kind of notice this.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
And this one went off without a hitch? Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's not. Yeah, they're not magic cure-alls. They're just like, it gets your levels to where they were when you were 30. And when you were 30, you weren't like, my God, I'm jumping over cars. You just were how you were. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
My therapist told me last week she made a comment about, can you see how much you've changed and how much you've evolved and healed in these certain areas? Yeah, that's a win.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Yeah, you're really against it. And my counter was like, if you have a range of what your skin color is, like mine in the summer is.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you have a range of what your skin color is. Me in the summer, I way prefer, right? I'm like six shades darker than I am in the wintertime. It's pretty dramatic. I tan pretty well. I way prefer to look that way. I can look that way if I sit in the sun all day.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
But if I could take a peptide that I would look that exact shade that I naturally look anyways without all the sun damage, it seems kind of crazy not to do that. Yeah. If you're just picking between hours in the sun versus this peptide for the same result.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
I would. Don't you want it in the summertime? It's like transparency. It's who you are, Aaron.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
No, this is him in the winter. It's who I am in April. Exactly. In April.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Well, thank you. Well, hold on. Do you have the same policy on whitening toothpaste? No. You have a range of what your teeth whiteness could be. You can use this product that'll make them the whitest they're possible.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
If the self-awareness weren't real, you wouldn't have these.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Well, I think that'd be a good distinction. I'm arguing to be the best version of yourself you can be. You comb your hair, you cut your hair, you brush your teeth, you do all the things, you take care of your skin, you put moisturizer on. You're trying to be the very best version of yourself. And so my favorite version of myself is July because I think I look best tan.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
And I can do that through sun damage or I could do it through a peptide and get no sun damage. It seems preferable.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
In behavior. So are you going to become somebody totally different to who you were in your natural state? Probably not. But I think we can mature and heal.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Now, you're right about the fact that I'm going to get sun damage anyways because I like to be outside and I'm going to be on a boat and ride motorcycles and hiking.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
On the surface, that sounds correct. But I would argue we would draw a line in that statement somewhere.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Yeah, I do. I don't think this is binary. I don't think it's like you're right. I don't think it's binary. I don't think it's like self-awareness is a total illusion and you can actually know how you're coming across. I think there's a big gray area in spectrum there.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Yeah, I just think it's a huge spectrum and it's not black or white. It's like we don't accept that our teeth are yellow. We don't accept that we can't see right without glasses. There's tons of stuff. We don't accept that our hair shouldn't be styled and conditioned. And we don't accept that our skin makes enough moisture to look how we want and we put moisture on it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
It's just like you're just moving out the ring. Yeah, well, we are. My what's that?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Yeah. Yeah. And so what I landed on in that conversation was, yeah, I felt awkward and had a big nose and was super skinny in high school. And I learned to bet on my personality. And I did that. I made that growth. And that is where my core self-esteem comes from. Also, this is my one trip on planet Earth. And I'm going to go as hard as I can on this trip.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
I'm going to try to have the exact body I always wanted. And I'm going to try to, you know, I'm going to try to do everything on this one trip.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
In every single way, every conceivable way. Travel to the whole place. Like, I'm going to devour the whole thing.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
By the way, I get it. And I think what you're saying is totally valid.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
You're going to join us. I asked you this morning. Oh, you are. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Deliver food. You guys deliver food. Very exciting. Deliver some foodies.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Well, you know what you should be scared about? It's pretty consistent. You smell a lot of food and you get pretty hungry, but you're working.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
I mean, it's interesting. I don't know why this is what comes up, but I remember when I was learning how to do public speaking for my Forbes talk and then the TED talk, I worked with someone who's a delivery coach because the way you think you're delivering something in your head may not be how the audience is receiving it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
That's what ends up happening is we get home so hungry and ready to order. And then I spend way more than I have made. 40 times what was made.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Yeah, I have a delivery account, and we turn it on, and then we just start delivering food, and we shoot the shit, and then we ask... Some reader questions, some moral dumbfounding questions, and... It's delightful. It's delightful. Yeah. And you're on a car ride. You know what is interesting? I think I may have already told you this. I'm realizing, now I don't know how it'll translate.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
There's such a specific way people communicate in a car, and I'm really seeing it now that I'm editing it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
When you talk in a car, you really talk because they're up front. Oh.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
There's kind of a cool openness because you're not looking eye to eye with anyone. There's some... Weird outcome of not staring at each other while you're talking.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
It's just different and interesting. Cool. It's so car talk. Like as soon as you're hearing it, you're like, yeah, that's a road trip with friends or that's driving to go get food with friends. That's what it sounds. It just has a very specific sound.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Sure. All things that bother us are about us.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
If I were you, I might feel like... Fuck you, white people. You already hit the lottery and now you want more.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Oh, that's a great question for your podcast.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Well, that's specifically with making yourself black.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Because I had the very, very stark example of listening to me argue with Kristen. Yes, in your early. Oh, that's not how I think I argue. In my head, the experience is way different than now I'm objectively listening to it. Have you had some aha moments if you had to listen now to yourself for hours?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
For me, the ethical line in the sand is if you're going past what you just naturally look like, there's that's dicey.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Exactly. Like what you really like, you could just decide to go to a tanning booth. No one would be mad about someone going to a tanning booth.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
So is this peptide. It doesn't permanently turn you.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Until she decides she wants to be white again.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Oh, God. I know. Can you fucking believe that? Also, she has like triple H titties, like fake. So this notion that she's like on the Savannah trying to be Maasai and she has these enormous boltons.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
oh it's just wild wait okay and i know i'm behind i have so many questions yeah her hair i know the hair is very confusing i know if there were a peptide that i could take thick thick hair i would do it in a second you don't get to or do i maybe i will I'm already putting a topical on to try to keep it as thick as possible. And that's not a problem.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
It seems like the difference is like whether it's external or internal is like the tipping point.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Yeah, I am curious about that. Well, no, this is likely a conversation that will be happening in the rest of the country and in a couple of years, just like every other thing that starts here. Minimally, we would agree these are really kind of arbitrary lines we draw everywhere. I draw them, too. They are. I draw them, too.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Like, yeah, I think me going and getting facial reconstructive surgery and a different getting Brad Pitt's nose and stuff for me, for whatever reason. That is a betrayal of who I was born to be. And then taking testosterone and eating lots of protein and working out. That's not to me. And it's just I decided that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Like I want Brad Pitt's body in Fight Club and I'm happy to go pursue it in any way I can. And I would not be happy trying to pursue his face in any way I could.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
I wouldn't get it. No, I wouldn't get like calf implants.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Yeah. So, right. There's some weird line where my muscles also have to be real.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
On so many levels. There is one, which is the fact that I'm so lucky. I have super deep trauma of having to hear my own voice because of Linda Tripp taping me for 20 hours. And then I had to authenticate the tapes. So I had to sit in the independent counsel's office listening. It was awful.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Like this is what's going to happen in cascade fashion over our lifetime.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Like the stuff's coming out hourly. Yeah. What? They can do that? What? They brought back the fucking they brought back dire wolves today. I don't know if you saw that in the news.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Yes. What do you mean? Those wolves that are referenced in Game of Thrones, they got DNA off something and they've brought them back.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Yikes. I mean, they're not going to be- Yeah, but again, it's like, then what are we going to do?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
He does it so good. I know, I love it. We do want Aaron.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
It seems like it'd have to be exactly 50-50. It's going to approach the exact same amount of time it retreats.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
I don't get it either. But astrology doesn't make sense. So that's why it's consistent with astrology a little bit.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
That makes me think Aaron's daughter is born on leap year. Oh, that's so rare. She's only four years old. Oh, no, she's not four yet. Oh, she's not? Yeah. She's driving, but she's not four yet. Yeah. Well, what is that on her license? Four. But they let her drive. Oh, my God. That's so cute.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Yeah, I would feel very robbed that two years in a row your birthday doesn't even pop up on the calendar.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
That's torture. No, no, it was. That's what they should have in Guantanamo.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
How have you liked your new tattoo? Oh, I love it. Oh, good. Yeah. Yeah, good. Because it was a last minute decision.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Not yet. Okay. But it can in the right company. It does now.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Even take it out of the insane context it was in. If you just said, hey, by the way, we have 20 hours of you and your friend Aaron talking. Now sit here and listen to the things I would say with Aaron and I at a table. There's no way I wouldn't be. I go to make it through 20 minutes of chatting.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
I love Jesus twice as much. The second coming of Christ? Second coming. It's all about the second coming. Yeah, it's the sequel of J.C., Oh, God. KC2. Oh, my God.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
No, just you're declaring I can't wait for the second coming.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
That's kind of good news. So less people are getting married, but more people are staying married. Yeah. A higher percentage are staying married. I guess that's a silver lining.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Wow. That's how Stinchcomb came up. Yeah. Because I was like, can you imagine going to high school with that circus going on? Because he was still, the younger brother was still in high school, right?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
I hate to say this because I really do like Miss Lewinsky, but I prefer my mom, Monica Pasman.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Oh, no. It was so awful. Whoa. If you were asked to recall a conversation, you would probably not remember all the likes, the ums. You would try to remember the smart erudite things you said.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
I very rarely leave my apartment. When you find a place you like where I'm at in Colorado, New Mexico, Arizona, USA, you stick around.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
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Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Exactly. Incredible point you made, hour 10. Exactly.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Not the snarky things that you say about people you love. And I never liked the sound of my voice to begin with. So all of that. And then, of course, they became public.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
You had come to terms at least with, that's how my voice sounds, right? You'd already crossed that. Oh, no. No. Okay.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
It was just pushed down on the list of awful things. There's that where it's just like, my voice, my voice, my voice. Yeah. Yeah. And then also this thing about repeating myself. Even I listened to our first chat, half of it on the way here, because I was like, what if I tell all the same stories again? What if I'm actually not as interesting as I think I am? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
But I think too, in terms of listening, it took me a handful of... interviews to feel like, OK, maybe I cracked this and I was so proud of myself. And then I listened and I was like, oh, I wasn't actually. Maybe it was good because I didn't say very much this time.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Monica, have you broken any bad habits? Monica edits, so she has to hear every single thing she says. I at least get a version. By the time I hear it, it's been dramatically cleaned up. So even at that, I've got a lot of work to do.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
I think of the ethics all the time that you have to have. When you're editing arguments between us, you have so much integrity because to keep in a great point that someone, your adversary quotes made, it's got to be hard.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
She has a ton of integrity. I just want to scream from the rooftop. She has incredible integrity. And often I imagine myself in the same situation as her. And I think I have integrity. Yeah. But it would be really hard. Forget whether or not I could pull it off. It would just be like, fuck, OK.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Adolf Hitler. Slightly different views. Slightly. Vladimir Putin.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
It's really hard to compartmentalize. And it's in your ear. You're listening. Yes. Did you have a background in storytelling that led you to the editing part?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
We go through stuff. It's just random order. You can't predict it. It just happens to be two male comedians that have this stuff that happened because they both have specials coming up. And then for two or three weeks of our life, both through the interview, then the edit and the fact check, we can't not be in the cloud of that experience. And it is just kind of funny.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
I guess it's great, actually. It keeps life going. which is we're always in some weird cloud of whatever the guests were.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
How deep do you get? When you hear it has pretty much a good pass and done. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
For the most part, I'm hearing version two. But then sometimes I'll go back to the assembly for the interview. And then I have a great moment of being like, wow, you fucking didn't ask that question. How could you not ask that question? As a follow up of assuming I had asked it and just passing judgment on people going, why would you cut that from the conversation? And then it turns out.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
I'm so glad you're laughing at me. No, it's such an insular weird thing.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
It is. It is. Has it been hard for you to ask the next deeper question? Like they've offered to pursue a road. It happened one second ago. You say the Linda Tripp tapes.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
I like you. I don't want you to have to get embroiled in any of it. Also, that's fascinating. I need to know more about sitting and listening to a conversation, right? So it's like those little nudges you have to give yourself. Those come easy or hard for you?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
They're hard for me. Probably a little bit because I'm codependent. It's really important for me that somebody comes to have a chat. They feel protected. Exactly. I don't want to trigger anybody. I don't want someone to be upset. So I think it's probably that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
And then still because I just did my 12th interview. That's still kind of new. I'm definitely present. I'm definitely having conversations that are interesting to me and exciting to me. But I still feel like I could be more present.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Not as worried about the thing you're creating.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
Right. Or trusting myself, too. Just trusting yourself that you can sit down and have a conversation with someone. I think especially with the show and the theme of reclaiming, it's not hard hitting. And so my assumption has been I can sit down and have a conversation with anyone and it'll flow out. It's not something will come. Right. But that takes trust.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Monica Lewinsky Returns
That's the curve of this experience, I think, is you just get more and more confident. Oh, the thing will happen. It always happens.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
And don't they have playgrounds there that are specifically to get kind of her design so that there's tools and stuff to play with and nails and real shit?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
It's amazing how quickly you adjust to that California lifestyle.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
I was talking about this with a friend last night because I went to the Beyonce concert. And this is a very, very good singer I was with. And we decided that you can kind of, with training, raise yourself three degrees. If you're born as a seven, which is very high, you could get to a ten. But if you're born a three, you're not getting to a 10.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
Even if you work so hard, you're probably going to max out at a six or seven.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
To me, I think comedy is a more learned skill in general. Singing.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
And comedy, I think if you're in the right circumstance, if you have enough trauma.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
And if you're around comedy a ton, you do start infiltrating that a little bit more.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
You guys, this guy? Yeah, that smile really took a turn.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
You are very measured and in control of yourself. It also seems clear in a beautiful way. You're not going to go anywhere you don't want to go. You have full control.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
Yeah, I'm like, we don't deserve to be doing this anymore. Hey, Dax, I think we should stop.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
I also think part of what has changed is Instagram. This is maybe the positive part of Instagram. You don't need to go to the grocery store and flip through this horrible magazine to find a picture of someone's kid. A lot of people post pictures of their kids that are chosen and they're curated, so it's available.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
Also, we start at the beginning of this conversation talking about the importance of kids being able to be out in free range and running around. And if they can't because there are people taking pictures of them, that's an added layer of what they're imprisoned by, which is so unfair.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
Yeah, that's great. You wouldn't know it while talking to you.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
We've had a few people on who have left school early and they're always the smartest people in the room because of this. They have this idea that the reason they don't know things is because of their lack of schooling. So they're making up for it. Whereas if you've gone through all this schooling, you're like, yeah, I just don't know that because I don't know. There's no hang up about it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
Did you have an interesting relationship with adults since you were a kid but behaving as an adult? Did you seek the safety of other adults in your life?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
Female friendship is so beautiful. We're talking about it more. It will come up when we talk about your show. But seeing it out in the world is really nice for young girls. Because there's a lot of competition also amongst girls and it's good to see these two people are soulmates.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
If you can find that, that's what I want for any young person.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
Look at that. But also with Brokeback, all of you guys turned out to be huge stars. And not just stars, the best of the best as far as acting accolades. And it's fun to me that he obviously could see that in all of you and put this cast together.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
We used to only do this and then we were forced to add video.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
Now we like it. We've been doing it a lot. But this is the original space and it's really nice. It's so cozy.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
Did you always know you wanted to have kids? Some women, they're five and they're like, I know I'm going to be doing this.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
Yeah, you got it, yeah. I saw that at the Cannes Film Festival. I saw it, I was there in college. I studied abroad at the Cannes Film Festival and we snuck our way into some of the movies.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
Probably from very, very far away. Very, very far away.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
Also, such a magnifying glass on your flaws. Did you learn about your own flaws via this?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
Well, it's just that there's no one you're going to meet who doesn't annoy you. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
Do you think, okay, earlier, just four minutes ago, you said you'd bit off more than you could chew with the RV. Is that a motto? Yes. That's me. I'm feeling this as a through line. You just take on a lot.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
I can't. I can't. The fact that these are real things happening.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
I thought maybe he was asking like, what's, is there an original impetus for it?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
I was just listening to Malcolm Gladwell talking about this, but he might have been referencing someone else. He was talking about the passing of his father, and he said, I know him better now than I did when he was alive. Which is such a beautiful thing that you can keep knowing these people in ways you could never have known them when they were your mom or dad.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
I think we might just need to bring the camera up just a bit.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
What's inherently bad or good about a specific sexual activity? People are like, that's bad or kinky or that's in this bucket. But what makes that bucket that bucket?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
Also, the irony of we're so obsessed with the timeline of death. We don't know about any of us. We can just go through life as if, well, that's far away, but our timeline could be any minute.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
We've been wanting to have you on for years and years and years. So we feel very lucky.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
Oh, interesting. What do you think it is? There is something different.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
Why don't you try it? I think we should try it first with brown eyeliner on you. I think black is going to look really... Let's work our way up.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
I posted a picture of my mom and I on Mother's Day.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
My mom is wearing eye makeup. She's wearing under eye makeup in it or whatever. She's wearing eyeliner.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
And I, and I was like, oh, it looks so nice. And I used to wear it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
Oh, well, also the majority, I would say like 99.99% of the comments on that picture are about how I look exactly like her.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
Wait, that's another thing we could invent. A practice dummy.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
Anyway, so she is wearing eyeliner, if you can see, under her eyes. And I thought it looked really pretty. And so I wanted to bring it back.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
What? What? That feels left field to me. It does?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
Okay. I wouldn't say that. I'm not trying to hurt your feelings all the time. Anyway.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
And I thought it looks pretty. And since we look the same, I was like, oh yeah, I should start doing that again.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
That's a great one. And it could also double as a, what do they call it? Like a sensory.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
And you just sit in silence and don't say it. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
Yes, but real, before I get into my story, I just wanted to remind, if people have missed the Mo episode because they didn't know who he was, I recommend to go back and listen to that. It's a really good episode. Kate Mara voice messaged me today. She did. Uh-huh.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
Oh, I'm dying to see it. I want to see it this weekend. Is it great?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
Love him. Kate messaged me that she listened. She was listening to the Mo episode and that she loved it and that it was really beautiful. And she hadn't she didn't know him before. And now she's going to watch the show.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
Great. So check it out if you haven't seen that or listen to that. OK.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
Or seen or listened. Another thing before my story.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
Okay. This morning I was on Instagram and I saw Mandy Moore had like she posted something and it was when she was young and it reminded me of the Hunked episode.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
Yes. And I had to watch it. Oh, wow. Yeah, it got in my head.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
Yes, and I watched it this morning. And it is so funny. It is so funny.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
Oh, is that when you said I have to go see what the damage is?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
It's really fun for me to see you before I knew you.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
God, I guess this might sound like one of your compliments. Oh, great. One of your horrible compliments. Because I know you so well.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
I think sometimes I forget the obvious things about you.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
Like when I'm watching it, I was like, God, he's so funny.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
But I know that about you. Obviously, you're funny every day. I'm around you.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
I don't know. I was just like, oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Dax is so funny. Oh, thank you.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
I don't want to ruin it. And like same if I watch Parenthood, I'm like, oh, yeah, he's so good.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
But then when we're here and I'm like, you know, annoyed by you because you're doing.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
Exactly. Then it's like a weird dissonance. I kind of don't think of that person as the person I know.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
Right. But even now, if I see you on screen now, every time, ever since I've known you.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
I mean, I could still see objectively like, oh, that's funny or oh, that's good. But I'm not, it's not the same.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
I think it would tickle. I would have different feelings about it. I would have more like, oh, like my my friend did a good job feeling.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
As opposed to like. Just blind. Like, oh, that's so funny.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
Yeah. And then and I always have this weird like, you know, it ended and I was like, I can't believe that's him. Like, I can't believe I know that person the way I do. Life is weird.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
Yeah. And this is, does that make you feel good or bad or does it matter?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
And I wonder, I don't know, who knows how long we'll be doing this. Right.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
Unknowable. But- I think what's weird for me is sometimes I wonder, like, this potentially is your acting. Like, this is my first life.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
You know, and there might be for me, not likely, there will be another thing after this.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
Yeah, weird. Anyway, it was really funny. If you want to check that out, it's on YouTube. While you're on YouTube, go ahead and head over to the Armchair Expert.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
Well, you should watch it. Okay, I guess I've just been taking in a lot of you on accident.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
Because, well, I've been down a Malcolm Gladwell rabbit hole.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
After I listened to the Joe Rogan one and then the RFK one, I was like, fuck, this show's so good. I forgot. And I thought, oh, I'm sure I've missed a lot of these episodes. So I should go back and look at some. Yeah. And he did a bunch before Revenge of the Tipping Point or during that time. We had him on for that show, so I don't think I was paying much attention to revisionist history then.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
But I was like, oh, I'll check this out. And there's one... I just have to really, really commend him. Actually, one's a ding, ding, ding, because it's about him basically saying there's a section in the tipping point about the broken windows theory, which comes up in an upcoming episode for us, which is funny. Yeah. And he comes on and he says, I was wrong about that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
He straight up says, I was wrong. This is why. And it is so... Interesting to hear someone just come out and be like, this thing that got a ton of traction for him is wrong.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
Yeah, but it now looking at it over time, crime went down, went down after stop and frisk was taken away. And all these people, Giuliani, Trump are used and they use the phrase, right? They use broken windows. Yeah. And he's like, it didn't. That's not why. But they use it as a scare tactic. He said, I believed it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
And now I know it's not true. And it was it was really funny. You know, he plays this clip from Giuliani and then he plays a clip of Trump saying it. And he said he says, sometimes I stay up. At 3 a.m. And I think, oh, God, did he read the tipping point, too? And everyone read it. And that's such a weird thing to think. Like you wrote something that everyone read and was persuaded by the pressure.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
Yeah, you can't, but it's just wild. Anyway, so then he has a couple episodes on the Varsity Blues, the kids who, the parents who paid for their kids to go to Ivy League universities. And you are in those episodes.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
Really, it was so weird because I was just like listening to these episodes and all of a sudden he's like, and to play blah, blah, blah, these, you know, He's like, my voice actors, Britt Marling and Dax Shepard. And I was like, whoa, my God, what is going on?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
Yeah, full infiltration. And then you go into your bathroom and go, hi. You talk to me through my speaker. Anyway, so that was great.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
I was home to visit my mom for Mother's Day and I heard the craziest story. And I was like, maybe I shouldn't bring it up because it's like kind of it is sort of political, but it's wild. And I feel like I have to share it. My friend's sister lives in pretty rural Georgia.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
Because the public schools really aren't very good. What's, like, the PC term for that? Whatever. They're not good. Underperforming? Yeah, I guess so. She sends her kid to a private school in rural Georgia, and it's pre-K through 12. Okay. So for some—I don't know if it was Halloween or something— They threw this like big assembly event and each grade had to dress up as a theme.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
And so the pre-K was like, you know, superheroes and princesses, whatever. Yeah. Standard theme. And then one of the themes for like a youngish grade, look to me like third grade, I saw pictures of this, was Hurricane Helene. That was the theme.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
It ravaged Augusta. Right. But that's also why it's weird, right?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
There's another grade. The theme was the Trump assassination. Okay. And this is, this is real.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
And all these boys are dressed up as like secret service. And then there's one boy dressed up as Trump. And he has this, the full mat. He's like wearing a mask, a Trump mask. And like, you know, his ears all bandaged up and, And and then there's like, you know, kids, kids, fifth grade ish looking kids in MAGA hats. And it was really it was like, oh, yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
And also at my friend, my friend, she was like, this is how it works. Like if you have any questions about like how, if you're like, you know, living in California and you're like, I just don't get it. This is how.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
And I know, I don't want to get mad at you and I don't want it. And it's fine if it's your compulsion, but I would, I mean, these, my friends who are also like my friends who were shocked by this, right there. Georgia people, they're not like- They're not- What you would say is- Coastal city elites. Exactly. And they're like, there's no way that's real.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
But no school here is doing dress up like a, be it, pretend you're a cat day.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
That's I mean, look, that's one story you heard. Right. Like that's not a sweeping thing.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
But that is part of why like a public school doesn't, isn't able to do things like that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
And, and then I was thinking like, if I had my, if I lived there. Right.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
What would I do? These are the options. A very underperforming public school or this like this is a bad situation for making decisions.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
You might not have the money. Like, I mean, there's just a lot of factors here that make it for me. Like, I understand this is hard.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
But that's what I was like, now this kid is in a horror, like, let's say this kid was of age of one of these horrible themes, right?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
And his mom, my friend's sister, is like, no, you're probably not going to dress up as a FEMA check, you know? Then he might be like, well, I'll be an out cat. Like, this is so... The pressure. Yes. It's upsetting. Yes.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
I guess you're right. It's just hard. It's hard to be an outcast. It's really hard. I went to church with my friends.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
Well, but North Carolina is the university system.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
Yeah, that's interesting. Ours is the university system, CLA or UC, I guess.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
He is a... Man. Toll. Okay. Larry Mantle is an American radio talk show host and journalist on the Southern California NPR station LAist. LAist?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
Mantle hosts Air Talk with Larry Mantle, which is the longest running daily talk show currently on Los Angeles radio.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
Yeah. There's a picture of him we have up here. He's 66. Mm-hmm. He was born here in LA.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Okay. While in graduate school, Mantle was living in Pasadena and listened to NPR's All Things Considered on KPCC. He knew that KPCC also produced a daily one-hour local news program and used community volunteers and Pasadena City College students to supplement a small professional staff.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
Mantle started volunteering at KPCC and was soon anchoring newscasts and providing play-by-play of college and high sports carried by the station. Later, Mantle became the first local morning edition host for KPCC. After briefly working for CBS News Talk affiliate, Mantle returned to KPCC as news director in 1983.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
Two years later, he launched Airtalk with the intention of combining listener calls from an analytic and news savvy audience with local experts and newsmakers. That's all it says.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
He returned as the news director for KPCC in 1983, two years later, so 1985.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
Very big congrats. Okay, she said it was a tough day for NPR. That was Friday, a couple of Fridays ago, I guess. He had the day before Trump had issued an executive order directing the corporation for PBS, Public Broadcasting's Board of Directors, to cease federal funding for NPR and PBS.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
Yeah, and it's making sure that media stays divisive and private.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
And that's like the opposite of what we need right now.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
Maybe. But is it left-leaning because people on the left are listening? Like, that's not a fair assessment of it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
But is it left leaning because it's telling the truth? There's some truths that are happening right now that a lot of that maybe Republicans would say are left leaning, but they're they're the truth.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
But again, is it what you're attracted to is that it's... It's true facts being told.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
My guess is, yeah, maybe I just don't know. But I assume they do cover both sides. Like I think the daily often you hear the other point of views you hear. They will interview people who are on both sides. So you you can hear what everyone is thinking.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
But you can't do it until you're in it and after. Right.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
Based on what, though? But that affected this level. It couldn't happen.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
That's what I said. Anyway, that had just happened the day before. So that's why she said that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
Yeah, it says he doesn't own a T-Rex. He has an interest in dinosaur fossils and has purchased several, including a Mosasaur skull and an Allosaurus skull. But he is not known to own a complete T-Rex skeleton or fossil, according to many sources.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
I don't know. We want it to be true. I'm sure he wants it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
Okay. The apex. She mentioned the apex. That's, I guess, the new dinosaur discovered. The Stegosaurus dinosaur fossil that is considered one of the largest and most complete of its species ever found. Yeah. It was discovered in Colorado and it's at the American Museum of Natural History.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
It's so hard for my brain to integrate that that's real.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
Okay. Now, Malcolm said on this episode of Revisionist History, the Joe Rogan one that we talked about, he said, about his dad in the interview he did with Michael Gervais. He said something very sweet about understanding his dad more in death than now. And I wanted to find that clip.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
We really love him so much. But that is such a beautiful sentiment that you can keep knowing people past their time.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Michelle Williams
Yeah, I'm with you guys. Also, Jonathan Haidt, he has the new book, Anxious Generation. This is sort of his antidote to all the stuff that's happening with kids and the isolation is make them have a community, but leave. Go send them off to go explore.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
I hear you. Look, I find this all extremely complicated because I- Don't go anywhere.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
It's our second couch, too. We can't not get it right.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
Okay, so I did grow up in suburban America, Duluth, Georgia, Southern. And look, there's no Indian jokes in that show.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
But I'm watching it like... You watch the Golden Globes and you know Nikki Glaser is going to do a joke about you and you're watching it like, when's it going to hit? When's it going to hit? And you know, it doesn't come, but I do feel a lot of empathy. Okay, let's take it out of race. But the end of your special, which by the way, I thought your special was hilarious. I cried. Oh, thank you.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
And I also have frozen my eggs. Oh, wow. It was beautifully done.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
And then at the end, I was like, why? There's an entire piece at the very end about special needs. And your fans will probably be mad that I even said special needs. And I'm not going to say.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
So my point is, if you're taking your daughter to school, which you will, and it'll be beautiful and wonderful. They're going to be kids there that have special needs and their parents are going to be there. And they will probably have seen it because I'm sure it's going to do amazingly well.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
And I just wonder, will you care? Yeah. Will it bother you?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
Right. But you won't be like, oh, fuck, maybe I shouldn't do that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
When I'm watching that and everyone's laughing, it is so clear. Yes, people want to be able to laugh at things that are funny. They do not like being told they can't laugh at it or that it's not funny when they're That's their instinct.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
And I get it. And that's why we're here. And that's why we have Trump. And I get it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
You just can't do that. Well, yeah. I mean, I think at this point they're all.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
You're saying that on behalf of Republicans, but the Republicans I know, which are many from home, they are defending everything Trump does, which is insanity.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
But you're saying the Dems, and I'm just saying in general, I think the Republicans.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
if Democrats said eggs are gonna be free and blueberries are gonna be free, the Republicans aren't still going to push the identity politics side. I mean, it's still gonna be there. The Democratic Party is not gonna say, we actively don't care.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
How, I'm really asking, what is a good way to send that message?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
It kind of is. No, this is where I have to push back. I actually don't think it is, but I think that is what gets brought up all the time when there is debate.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
I know, which I think is so interesting because the person running was the most extreme version of the Republican Party. Trump is. And Biden, they're not extremely far left.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
That's the problem is I think the Republicans have used that as a Trojan horse.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
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Andrew Schulz
Especially if you've been on the opposite end of any of these jokes ever. You can tell the difference between when there's hatred underneath it. And when there's not, when I watched, I was texting my friend about this and I was like, there's no hatred there. I can really, really feel that. There are other really popular standups that people love that I'm like, uh, uh.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
Comedy is math and it's just figuring out the equation. But it's funny because you're like, you can't offend Kristen. That's the one thing. I mean, everyone has that. Everyone has their one thing that's like, well, now you lost me.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
She's my favorite person on earth, but I have to say it. She's the most beautiful, white, privileged person. She's all those things, too. So she has the luxury to be able to laugh at fucking anything without being like, oh, yeah, I remember when that was me.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
She doesn't like it when she personally gets burned. And that's the difference. And it's fair. No one likes getting personally burned. But when you are in a group that's small, they feel more personal than the overall. I just got to say it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
The first time I heard of you, Dax sent me a thing and I was like, oh my God, this is so great. And then I was like, oh, I'm going to keep looking. And you were like, well, be careful what you do. Be careful. I might need to curate. I might need to curate for you.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
Oh, it was so funny. And we were dying laughing at that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
I think hearing about you and your background and your life is important. Sure.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
I wasn't, but one of my best friends was and she was like, I think I saw him there last night.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
So you did an amazing promo with my boyfriend, the love of my life.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
I mean, I did think, I was like, Matt likes Andrew. I'm qualified. I guess. Anyway, you did lean in for that promo and I was like, oh, wow, this is really great. And I do think a lot of people who might not follow you or know your stuff or think something about you will be drawn to it because of that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
But then I was like, man, I wish you would do more of that because I think his audience is limitless.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
So we're really like, OK, it's very fun. You know, she gets sexy, Sabrina. Oh, she is some real sexual stuff.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
Yes. So I had another ear situation. An ear infection? Yes. Not a full infection.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
I wish. No, so I have three holes. Okay. And I don't really use the top one very much at all, but I found these earrings and it didn't look right in the second hole. So I moved them up to the third hole and I had to like really like- Work it in there. Shove it in.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
Yeah, but I cleaned it. I did my best. And then it did start hurting pretty quickly, but I left it because it looked so cute.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
Yes. And I left it and I left it. And then that night I took it out and it was like really hard to get out. Like I think it had swollen sort of around it. So I yanked it out and then I cleaned it all up.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
And then I cleaned it up. but it was really painful and I couldn't like lay on, I couldn't lay, I had to back sleep.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
They're sensitive. Yeah, the higher you get on my ear, I think they just can't handle it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
And yeah. And it had like a big like you could feel the big like node in there. Big lump of infection. Don't make that face. Anyway, it's feeling a little bit back to normal.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
Or it's like maybe it just needs a couple times before it can acclimate.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
I know. He's going to adopt the gardener so that he can pass it on.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
Yeah, I think it's also a strategic move, but an extremely generous strategic move.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
I mean, of course, like a pessimistic version of this is that they were in love. I mean, that's a weird thing to say. It's like cynical. I guess it's like they're in love. So, so that's why this is happening. But, but like the better story.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
Maybe. Ooh, God. Okay. If someone was in love with me and I wasn't in love with them and I made that clear, but they could not stop. Right. Pursuing. Yeah. And then they died. And left you $11 billion. And left me $11 billion. Would I...
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
Yeah, it was. It was really engaging. He was great. And yeah, it was.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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Andrew Schulz
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Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
Well, somebody else would be cleaning it. So you'd like, you're the one that wanted to wear diapers and pee in the bed. Yeah. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
See? It's not going to slow you down. I don't know. I guess it's just, we won't know until we try it. Yeah. But my gut is I will, I will be ready to be done. By then. I really do.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
Ironically, I'm not scared of dying. Me neither. I mean, I'm scared of everyone else dying. And that's part of it. If you live 250 years, the amount of loss you are going to have accumulated is a lot.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
Well, I don't have a problem with you saying white people are. Not an ethnicity.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
Yeah. I don't know, though. It's like, are we just... I think our lives are supposed to have an end. I don't know.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
I don't think that because I don't believe that. Like, but I...
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
But I don't know. I think wisdom is real. And I think wisdom obviously comes with experience, but it also comes with knowing that the end is coming closer. So I don't know if we are living forever, if anyone really ends up acquiring wisdom. Like the feeling that you talk about when you talk about like your kids, that's a feeling that I think a lot of older people feel about life in general.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
They just see the preciousness of the whole picture and humanity and people. And I think that's a really beautiful thing. And I think you earn that by getting towards the end. I really do.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
Yeah. My friend Sally, she has this guy in her building. He's older. I think maybe like 90. Like during the election time, he was like, it's four years.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
In our current thing. You're only 40. I don't think you get to say that. I haven't earned that right. In the way that the 90 year old gets to.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
That's great. Yeah. It was, it was good to have him and. Talk some stuff out. Okay. Russia, McDonald's.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
Yeah. They did sell it to a local buyer, McDonald's, during the war.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
Right, but still in the food industry. Still a McDonald's. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
It's called... Vladimir Putin's Hamburger House. Exactly.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
Putin's Patties. Putin's Patties. I'd go. Vkusno Tachka. It translates to Tasty and That's It. Tasty and That's It is the title.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
Yep. Okay. Now, is Fanta Nazi Coke? Fanta, owned by Coca-Cola. Coca-Cola. Coca-Cola. Company Fanta was introduced in 1940 and is the second oldest brand owned by Coca-Cola.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
Correct. During World War II due to ingredient shortages.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
In World War II. Okay. So. So. Ellipses. We'll leave it at that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
Oh, the Nazi got the last name. Then the other one had to go with Puma.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
I mean, everyone likes Pumas, but like, you get to, when it's your last name, it's a blank slate. And you get to like really make that a brand. When it's Puma, you already have an idea of what a Puma is. The logo has to be a Puma.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
Okay. Donnie Burns is the Scottish ballroom dancer who has won many titles and holds a Guinness World Record. I was looking up most winningest ballroom dancer.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
Well, he's won 14-time world professional Latin champion, 11-time international Latin American dance champion.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
Yeah. I guess that is unfair. Yeah. Okay. Andrew said that Tim Waltz said he was at the Battle of Gettysburg in the Civil War. That was obviously a joke.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
Correct. That he said he was there or a part of. And he was not. Okay. So that was bad. OK, bipolar, you said 10 times the rate in Japan. I mean, I'm sorry, we have 10 times the rate over Japan. The United States has the highest lifetime rate of bipolar disorder at four point four percent. India, the lowest with point one percent and Japan point seven percent.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
I didn't. I didn't. He doesn't look like Ben Schwartz, but they have similar mannerisms. And then this also, I just started watching The Pit.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
Really? No. Well, I just finished The Pit and I'm going to restart ER.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
I mean, that is something I have done, but no, I'm going to restart ER. I'm excited about that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
Yeah, you were probably ninth. Yeah, because I have very vivid memories of watching it with my mom in bed. Fun.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
And in our house in Tennessee. So I would have been seven.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
That was nostalgic watching The Pit. But there's an actor on there that is so Ashton-y.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
So there's a lot of doppelgangers on that show, which is interesting. And then I was reminded that there are some there's like some people that are cutouts in the sim. There's like they're a cookie cutter that gets stamped and then they just like change some things.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
Yeah. So they just take like they like make the ear a little bigger and like flatten the nose a little bit. They're like, that one's good.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
Right. Correct. The history of sexual exploitation of black people by the dominant society, particularly the sexual exploitation of black men.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
No, no, no, no. AOC's district district. Voted for Kamala.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
So some people moved over is the thing, but not the majority. Gotcha. Okay. That's it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
Yes, I agree. So there's going to just be some people, if we choose to have them, which I think we should, I think we should have everyone on, that if you ignore that piece, I think that's problematic.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
The likable thing and how you got a lot of it and you were like you knew how to do it. It almost seems like that was so easy that now you want to be liked despite you want to be so unlikable, but people still like you. And that's the real proof of likability. And by the way, I think you've done that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
I know that might sound insulting, but you are extremely likable and so funny. But I'm like, what is going on that we are going this far? And I do wonder if that's a piece of it. Are you still going to like me even if I say this, this, and this?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Andrew Schulz
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I guess the provocative nature you're saying.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
At first, I thought it was so good that at first I was like, he still doesn't get it. But he really got it. He got it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
And so she was working at the same time you were before.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
I'm so excited to listen to James, which is a new title by Percival Everett that is very, very hot right now.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
Speaking of when you just said it's the only time you feel like a movie star, do you like feeling like a movie star?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
Okay, that's probably why you didn't have to go there.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
I'm just Team Motrin. Stop trying to make me who I'm not.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
I'm so excited to listen to James, which is a new title by Percival Everett that is very, very hot right now.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
Work can be validated externally, but you cannot be validated externally.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
You as a person, your character, that's got to come from you. So it doesn't matter what your wife says. That's the juxtaposition.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
We shook hands. You shook hands. I'm wearing perfume.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
You have the opposite. You've been working for so long and you're on Broadway. You're like, I've really done it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
They maybe thought that it was going to be such an enormous hit that it would be at the Smithsonian and then it would end up being worth millions and millions.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
But that's the part that you don't think in the moment that it's happening to him. Everyone thinks I'm Michael Cera and everyone thinks he's Jesse Eisenberg. Exactly. You forget that piece.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
I love that movie. I rewatched it recently. It's still so great. You did just rewatch it. I did. Yeah. I was obsessed with it. I would just watch it over and over again for a while.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
I have a handful of movies that I end up just watching every night. Contagion. During the pandemic. Contagion.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
That's interesting. Yeah. Good Will Hunting is my number one. That was the original.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
I wouldn't want to be put to the test right now because it's been a minute, but at one point I could recite the whole movie.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
In my head, I would watch it and then rewind it and watch it again.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
I wish. No, because I was too busy watching movies in my head. But Social Network is so good. You're so good in it. Everyone's so good in it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
And when I was listening back, I was like, holy, this guy is great.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
Yes. Okay. They also have, they're called Ultra Stretch Point, P-O-N-T-E, straight leg pants. And they are really, really great. They're great for travel. They're very cozy.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
Therapy is essential to me during the holidays especially because I generally am going home.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
And I need sort of some stability from my therapy and guidance to stay nice.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
Ooh la la. You know, the Nest Candles were on my gift guide. Oh, they were? Yes. Well, go to Macy's. Go to Macy's and grab one.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
He is. And he's very quick. He's very funny. He was a joy.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
Maybe the character smoked and you were holding it. Yeah, I was holding it for him.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
But I don't even know what you're talking about. And that's another fallacy. Another reality. This is another thing that we think.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
Yeah, we think everybody knows. I'm sure you think we know what you're talking about the movie. And then you were poorly. Like, I didn't know that until you just said it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
Yeah, it must require so much if there's all this crap around and all these people around me.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
I don't think you need to pick it back up or anything. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
I say this a lot about our current hatred of billionaires. I don't have that hatred. I'm like, poor people don't hate billionaires. It's a certain class of people that is actually pretty privileged that has the luxury of saying that's bad and capitalism is bad and X, Y, Z is bad. It's like if you're actually disenfranchised, you don't think that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
It's a weird cycle that happens with privilege where you start picking apart the way to get.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
Yeah, but it's a similar thing. It's like the cultural. If your parents left a country to come here so that you could have the opportunity to make a ton of money, you're not going to be like, I think money is bad. You're like, that's literally the whole purpose of the life raft. Yeah, exactly.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
pretty cool, but he wants me to go extreme. He wants me to shave my hair.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
Well, you want to watch it and be like, holy shit, this movie's incredible.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
I like it too. On others, it's not that I don't think I'm cool enough for that. It's just not me.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
Or you want to feel like shit, Bambi. Yeah, exactly.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
It makes sense. So it's the only way to get kids to care immediately. That's the only thing they know and could understand as painful.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
Well, that's true because speaking of cigarettes for Halloween, I was Mary-Kate and Ashley, one of them, current era. And so I was holding a cigarette the whole time. I've never smoked in my life. And so I wasn't smoking, but I was holding it. And I was like, it is cool.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
I could see that. Yeah. You have little brother energy.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
Yeah. Yeah. It's true. You don't want it to be true, but it is.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
I wonder what Simmons is going to do next because he's on a roll.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
That would be fantastic. Speaking of, I got a lot of really sweet reach outs from people in my life, like old people in my life when I was in middle school and high school. And they were so happy for me that we got to have Lisa on.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
It was like people who I don't talk to really, but were there for when it was really.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
Yes. And so they were all very, it was very heartwarming and sweet that they were like, oh my gosh. That is nice. Yeah. And then Anthony, who also was there, he texted me.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
Well, not a blast from the past, but a longstanding friendship. Yeah, he was in the past and he was a part of it. And he's also a huge Friends fan. And he said, I almost commented, Lisa Kudrow, this is how I find out. I have forgotten to tell him.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
Yeah, I'd forgotten. And then I said, oh, some people reached out, which was really sweet. And he said, yeah, you really created strong brand awareness even back in the day.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
Yeah. I told people about Lisa Kudrow. I guess I just forgot to tell the most important person.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
Well, you just told me you decided you might not do that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
Okay, got it. You see the confusion. It looks fine.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
Yeah, they have little like sticks on them. You could do the thing and then use the scalp thing to get it all over. And then you wouldn't be using your hands to get it all over.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
Because you definitely want to get you like you have to put it up here.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
All right. Well, it's almost Christmas time. Are there any Christmas updates? I got a new table scape. So that was exciting.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
New tablecloth. This is from Heather Taylor Home. Gorgeous.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
My tree is 35, but she's still my baby, just like Harley is always your little girl. Her skirt is pink and green.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
I just wanted to match the beautiful skirt. The skirt's so cute. It doesn't look wicked-y. Okay. I don't think people would think it. I'll ask. I'll ask everyone.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
I guess because, yeah, I think she wears pink stuff. Popular?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
Yeah, Glenda, Glenda. She wears pink. I forgot that. I only think green when I think Wicked, but you're right. Pink is a color.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
You told me this a little bit ago. And so then some videos have been popping up about her. I mean, I get so many wicked videos, which is kind of weird.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
Maybe they know about my tree and they're confused. Look, I loved the movie. I love the movie. But I'm not... Like some people are... die hard wicked and they've seen it multiple times and they their sing-alongs exactly it's a whole it's like a whole thing it's so fun that's not really me so i guess i'm i'm interested it's interesting that i'm being targeted in that way
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
Yeah, they have, I think they have whole divisions at Meta that are fully ethics based. Right, right, right, right. And so a lot of the things have to run through that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
I got an Anytime Fitness membership for my brother one year for Christmas. Oh, you did? I did. Oh, that's a great gift. It was a very big hit.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
And I sometimes think to send them to you to show Delta, would you do that? Or are you like- Probably not. Probably not videos. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
Right. Yeah. I get that. But how's she learning about like her vocal range and stuff?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
Myron. All right. Do you have any, have you watched any more Christmas movies?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
Yeah, I watched The Holiday. I mainly just have it on in the background. The Holiday, Home Alone, Love Actually.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
It's a blessing. It's almost like. what we do sort of like how podcasts are so intimate they they become part of the your fabric like your daily fabric Christmas movies have that they become part of your traditions they're good triggers yeah and like when we had Jude Law on and we talked a little bit about the holiday it it Yeah. He's like part of my year.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
Always. And Jack Black, too. I forgot that he was also in my role in his role.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
Well, you're really lucky if you're like die. I haven't seen it, but die hard, which is like, Christmas movie, but it's not right.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
Yeah, that's right. I think we think it because guns.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
But I guess my point is, I think that originated just even that colloquial term originated from a gun trigger. yeah or a crossbow probably okay um rob um is the home alone house in chicago like immortalized at christmas yeah i used to work not far from it and i'd sometimes just drive over there and eat lunch on the street oh my god just like outside in my car Do people and like.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
Yeah. Well, that's also funny because all time, the restaurant I love, you love, we all love. They just opened a new restaurant in Altadena.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
And I went the day before we shot the commercial. And it was so weird because I never go to Altadena.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
How are they doing this? It's there's always I've never been in my entire life. And there's not been a line at random times. It's pretty cool.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
And they don't market like I've never seen a commercial for In-N-Out.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
Oh, I thought I like that because I thought you were going to make it gross. Dirty.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
I was infected with the fantasy of Hollywood. And I knew that was there. We went on a family vacation when I was 11.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
Definitely. Yeah. We did that too. Went to Chinatown. And we went to San Diego. Went to the zoo.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
No. Um, we sit right by the airport and you could hear the, the planes, the whole thing.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
Um, anyway. Okay. So this, so Jesse, ding, ding, ding. He lives in Hollywood. Actually doesn't. I think he lives in New York. Damn it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
Yeah. I feel bad because when you talked about Jesse's sister, I was like, I was, it was new information and I reacted as such. And then like four seconds later, I was like, oh, I did know that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
But I forgot. And when you said it, it sounded new. Yeah. And then I felt fraudulent.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
I think it might be Ireland. There she is. Look how cute she is.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
She looks like him. Yeah. Like they definitely have a family resemblance.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
Oh, my God. I wonder if he thinks she's so cute. He didn't say so in the interview.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
But if your sister is known as being like the cutest girl in America. I wonder if I would hate it. Yeah, exactly.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
I love her dimples. Dimples are a thing. If and when science is good enough, which it will be, I'm going to pick dimples for my kid.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
Right. But what happened to your freckles? I don't see any.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
Maybe with age, also freckles dissipate on the face. I would say the sun exposure, but that also seems counterintuitive because sun also brings out freckles. Yes, it does. A lot of people in the summer, their freckles come out.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
Oh, yeah. So I'm going to pick dimples. Okay. For my kid.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
Dimples. It is. Yeah, yeah. Do you think if I go to my face guy, if I tell him I want dimples, he could do it?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
Actually, that's what I said. I said carve something out.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
You're going to get multiple dimples. Some went wrong, so I did another one.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
When I design my kid, she's going to have one on each side. Okay. I guess I have to figure out exactly where. And then she's going to have curly hair. Okay. I don't think I have to design. I think she's going to have naturally curly hair like me. Well, I guess depends on who her dad is.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
But remember I saw that mixed girl at Mixed Late Woman. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
I've never seen one. Yeah. Well, that's natural. People dye their hair. Right, right.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
That's a recessive gene that I don't think has made its way to dominance. All right. Anyway, Jesse. Next fact. Jesse has sort of red hair.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
Crickets. Okay. What is going on? What is going on in LA with crickets? Because this happened when I was recording something else in a different location and we had to stop.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
I didn't hear it because it was a big enough. It was a sweet enough moment that I think you're in it. But I mean, this is like not good for sound.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
Unless you're talking about me. Yeah. Love eating plastic.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
And they chew right through it to keep their incisors from growing too long.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
Yeah. Well, he loves plastic. Okay. So eBay's a thorough astronaut costume. Not there anymore.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
Nostalgia. Yeah. All right. Was Squid and the Whale Noah Baumbach's first movie? No, it was called Kicking and Screaming in 1995. That was his first movie.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
It's different. Yeah, okay. Yeah, this is about four young men who graduate from college and refuse to move on with their lives. Okay, when we cease to understand the world, Arthur, is he French? He's from 10 different countries. He was born in the Netherlands. He spent his childhood in Buenos Aires and Lima, and then he moved to Santiago at the age of 14.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
A lot of countries. And if you type in, is Benjamin Labatou French? It says no. Oh. No, he is Chilean, not French.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
Yeah. It says nationality. He is a Chilean author, birthplace, childhood. It doesn't say. It doesn't say like his dad is from. It doesn't say that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
Yeah. Well, my Ariana Grande is Friends, I guess. Like that, I sat that pure time.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
No, I did. I did. But I was not like I liked friends or nothing. I wasn't owning it in the way that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
I was actually because my dad would play music in his car. Soft rock.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
All right. Yeah. Okay. That's fine. Okay. Well, I think I said this already, but I am planning on reading this book over the Christmas break. Oh, good. Yes. I'm excited to read it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
And I'll read The Maniac. And I'm going to read three more books.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jesse Eisenberg
Are you confident driving even though you've never had a car until a couple of years ago?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
Blimpies is the- Oh my God, my mom was obsessed with Blimpies.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
At 24, I lost my narrative, or rather it was stolen from me. And the Monica Lewinsky that my friends and family knew was usurped by false narratives, callous jokes, and politics. I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
So I think listeners can expect me to be chatting with folks, both recognizable and unrecognizable names about the way that people have navigated roads to triumph. My hope is that people will finish an episode of Reclaiming and feel like they filled their tank up. They connected with the people that I'm talking to and leave with maybe some nuggets that help them feel a little more hopeful.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
Follow Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to Reclaiming early and ad free right now by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
I was like, there's no way Dax knows what a content house is.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
No, that's your fault for not being able to sit through her crying.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
Okay, so you still feel like, oh man, or you feel like I had my time?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
I didn't want to be reminded of her. Yes. And you keep talking about it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
That's how bad we needed it. We sent an alcoholic to go pick up our wine.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
I don't know if I like Campari. I'm going to have to try it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
I'm going to Sunset Tower tonight, and so maybe I... Oh, yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
But I am going to have a martini tonight. So I am telling you now that is what I'm going to be doing.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
But I'm going to do it. But okay, I'm telling you your drink and you should invite your wife in to do this. You should make this for both of you.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
He is an armchair expert, but he makes mistakes all the time. Thank God Monica's here. She's got to let him have the facts.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
He really is. He was also he was crowned that early on. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
So did I. I loved it. I loved anything that was like inside, inside information into the lives of celebrities. So wild.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
It was all about like... Okay, you don't even know me.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
I used to booty bump. You don't even... Not at eight. Okay, I think I was older than that. Let's see when Cribs came out.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
Uh-oh, that's not a good Google because you know what it says.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
OK, yeah. Premiered in 2000. So I was 12. 12. But you were a lot older.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
It is so crazy how age starts to mean nothing. But when you're young, this is just real proof.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
No, no. That like these when people are like, oh, it's not that big of a deal. It's like the 16 year old is what it is. Like when I think about being the age I was watching Cribs and then being 24. Yeah. Wildly different.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
The advanced version is architectural digest home tours, which I love.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
Sometimes when you just get a smell in your nose, you can't get it out. Sure. I don't smell it on me.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
Yeah, exactly. You would have been perfect for them. But you didn't have like a bath. You don't have things.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
You would show your cars, I guess, your motorcycles.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
Well, is that even... Which are cool. Can I see one? What do you mean stills?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
And so I had a lot of... I don't know if that's that bad, actually. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
Post, I thought it was like- There was posters everywhere? Posters. Is that it?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
Look at you. You look so little. You look just like Lincoln. It's crazy.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
No, you just, I mean, I noticed this when we watched, when we did- Without a paddle. Without a paddle. You just look so different.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
Like, obviously everyone gets older, but your face is different, I think.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
No, I don't think it's bad at all. Okay. Yeah, you're right. That kind of looks like me, right? You look more like you. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. You just look, yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
Can you, Rob, pull up when in Rome? Oh, I look terrible. That's the closest to your current body though.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
Yeah. Look at, I look like I'm on Ozempic. Yeah. Wow, you do look really thick.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
I was an underwear model. You were playing an underwear model. Yep.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
That is a horrible thing you did on accident. On accident. I know. This will happen.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
So back then, of course, this is the douchiest watch. Fuck me. I'm puking.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
Right. I just think, don't you think you've tamed instead of gone the other way over time?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
Anyone who's been in your life for a long, way before me says that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
You were sweet, but I don't think, do you think you were like, I'm really, you just weren't walking through life feeling like I might hurt someone's feelings?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
Did you say I'm sorry in the moment? Oh yeah. You did? Yes, yes. Oh, that probably made it worse.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
Actually, I don't even know if this is the right one because it actually is. It's pretty cool.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
Because I think they'll choose to believe the nice thing because it hurts to believe the bad thing.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
Yeah. No, I don't. But that picture is meant to look. It was a very visual episode. Yeah, I know. Okay. The RAV4, I have so many great memories of Callie's RAV4.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
With the mole. It's the worst story. It's the worst thing I've ever done.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
Yeah, Delta. The rainbow run. Delta had a rainbow run at her school.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
They basically run in a circle for 10 minutes each class.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
I know you, you like ran out there to high five him. Like you wanted his approval.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
I saw, but I thought you were doing it to some random person.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
Yes. They decide early they want their kid to marry this kid.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
So Elizabeth and Andy went to elementary school together. They did? They went to elementary school. Andy was Elizabeth's first crush. Oh. She loved Andy, but Andy was like a punk. He was like a little punk kid. Okay, he's too cool. And he was into prints and like snowboarding. And she thought that was really cool and different. Yeah. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
And then they, you know, Andy moved a couple of years later.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
It also feels scary at the Sphere. You don't need anything, the Sphere is that good.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
Yeah. Yeah. And she didn't see him for, you know, 20 years or something. And she ran into him on the street in New York.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
That is not the same. That'd be like if Andy was mean to Elizabeth.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
Yeah. Circling. So Rainbow Run it back. The Architectural Digest tours.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
And I love those Architectural Digest. It's called like open door tours.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
Yeah, well, Walton did one recently and it was so good. His place is gorgeous. It's gorgeous.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
Dakota Johnson. Is your food here? Oh, fuck. Our coffees.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
Thank you. Thanks, WAP. Yeah, I just love those. And I would really like to do it when my home is done.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
Look, I'm not a big enough person for them to want me to do it, but my home is going to really be worth seeing.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
Yeah, that's what I mean. Like she, they're, it's them. It's, it's Nikki Kehoe plus my architect, Bill, Bill Baldwin. Bill. They created like, it's just incredible.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
I think this could happen. So I would love for it to get some love.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
This is the hot guy because I don't want to ask. I want them to come to me.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
Yeah, well, I got to get my calcium in because of my bone density. Oh, right, because you hear Swiss cheese bones. I spoke to my mom the other day, and she asked me every other time I talked to her if I'm taking my calcium. And every time I say no, no, I'm not taking that. I'm not going to take it. So that's that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
Ooh, it's nice with cinnamon. I love cinnamon. What's your favorite spice?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
Okay, yeah. Rosemary, oregano, coriander, cumin, thyme, black pepper. You could go black pepper.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
Salt is not considered a spice. I just am Googling most popular spices. Okay. Oh no, this is already... Salt is the first one. Yeah. Ugh, AI.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
Yeah, most commonly used spices, but it shouldn't say salt if it's not... It's like, that's the green hats. This is the green hat riddle that we still haven't told on here. Okay. Do you want to do it now? Nope.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
Black pepper, garlic powder, onion powder, paprika, chili powder, cumin, cinnamon, ginger.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
Yeah. Well, that normally has chili powder, paprika, cumin, a lot of cumin. Cumin. Salt, pepper.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
Turmeric. Very good spice for you. Yeah. Very healthy spice. Do you think people have turned it off by now? Yeah, I understand. I understand why.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
All right. Well, Bert Kreischer. Oh, well, before I move on from Freddie, we have to give a shout out to Freddie's mom.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
Well, this is part of it. It's like, obviously, Freddie is cool because the mom is so cool and the dad is so cool.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
And all the students agree. Both of the parents are gorgeous. And so obviously Freddie's gorgeous and cool.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
Listen. If I decide to have a kid with a donor, how many am I going to have to look through? I mean, this is like really... Do you get to see photographs of them? I don't know about that. You should be able to. I think some you can, some maybe you can't, depending on the bank.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
No, he has. Well, I mean, I would love to make a little Vinny. That would be my dream. But I can't ask anyone I know. OK. I have to go to the bank.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
Actually, that's not true. I could ask someone I know, but no one I like see a lot.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
Because wouldn't you feel, wouldn't both of you feel weird if both of, if one of you, either of you gave me your sperm and then we were all hanging out and my kid's there and it's your kid.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
Exactly. And then that gets complicated for everyone.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
But if I had if I had a kid that was half years and I was letting them go shopping every day.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
Well, if it's half me, odds are. Yeah, you definitely can't be giving anyone your son.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
Oh, yeah. I'm forgetting you're a rounder. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
Well, that's a lot on her. That would be a lot on her for you to then like kind of take on this other kid.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
Oh, right. Well, no, let's say there's no mom involved. She gives it to. Oh, to a guy. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
I think it'd be red hair and tiny. Oh, like Seth. Yeah, like Seth's kid.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
I mean, the whole family would just have to get on board. You'd have to get on board. It's like, this is basically our God, this is our God daughter.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
Well, no, because that's not, see, this is where things get.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
Right. So that's one scenario. And there's a more common scenario, which is that the dad or mom wants to raise their kid like as they want to raise their kid and not then go to their donor and like co-parent.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
Yeah, but maybe, like, you know, you know how it is with all the parents and stuff. You don't want advice or co-parenting from some other parent, even if you really like them. Like, we all, we have a pod full of parents. And I actually think this is a great thing about the pod. I mean, of course, people ask each other for advice and there's, like, conversations about parenting.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
But very little. People are parenting... That's right. Across the board. And that's great.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
Exactly. Yeah, yeah. So I don't think it would work if it was like, hey, Dax, just so you know, like, I think what you should be maybe doing with Lincoln is, you know.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
It's not just you. This is an interesting question in general. I think so.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
Yeah, but maybe he's like... But then the baby might think... It's hard for a kid. Maybe. Maybe. Yeah, I have no idea. I think whatever you get is what's normal. I have no idea.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
What people do... With the sperm, when they get to choose sperm, as opposed to choosing your partner, this is different, right? What you have the ability to do when you're choosing sperm is like, you're kind of creating what you think is like the perfect person. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
mix with what you know you're giving so it's like you know the good qualities you're giving and the bad ones yeah if you if you're being honest with yourself like i might be handing over these sets of things so what i don't want to do to me i was like if you want a deaf dyslexic alcoholic look no further this is me yeah these are the genetics no but i mean like i guess i'm sort of
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
Exactly. You know what I'm saying? I mean, also, of course, there are kids with two addict parents that are beautiful and wonderful and great.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
In some ways, you. Your mom is an addict in some ways. Well, she's a love addict. Yeah, exactly.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
You're thriving. I'm largely great. We can at least agree that you're thriving and your life has worked out really nicely. So like, you know, you don't, and partners don't do this, I don't think. I mean, sometimes they think through like, Oh, this is a good partnership because they're like bouncing me out. But I don't think that's what a lot of relationships are.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
I know. But most people aren't. They're attraction driven.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
In someone, you know, or Monica, if someone needed it, that's nice of you. What about, but what if you saw them every day?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
I think a lot, it's just your personality. I think a lot of people can say like, oh, that's great. I'm just helping. Yes. And that's great. And that's not my kid. Yeah. That's your kid.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
Oh, yeah. Yeah. I don't think anyone should feel guilt.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
Now, what animals are native to Germany? Because he's under the impression that they don't have any predators there.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
Chamois. Good call. Okay. Red fox. I think red foxes are so cute.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
I think you should because I kind of think I'm a red fox.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
Well, people call... If you're hot, you say you're a fox.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
They're like the Armchair Anonymous leg guy. They're like jam.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
You see? Eight, greater horseshoe bat. Seven bicolored shrew. At least I'm not a bike. Am I a bicolored shrew?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
I kind of look like that. That looks like a little mouse.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
Well, except that its diet is made up of root tubers, large insects, carrion, ick, cereals, and small mammals.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
Yeah, that's probably right. Okay, wild boar. Scary.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
European wild cat. Now, these are interesting because they're big, but they look like regular domestic cats.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
That is a family of badger, weasel, otter, and mink. Oh, okay. Wooded areas. They're found in wooded areas.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
Fast runners. Both good on the ground and in trees. Fire salamander. Very scary. If you're barefoot. Poison glands. Oh. And alpine ibex.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
All right, so there's nothing I'm too scared of here. He was right. I'll give him that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
Okay, do the dealers in Vegas get to keep their tips or does it go to the house? Nevada laws allow tips to be shared among employees as long as the employer doesn't keep any of them. This gives casinos and other employers in Nevada the authority to require employees to share tips with both tipped and non-tipped workers as long as none of the participants are considered the employer. Okay.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
Yeah. He has all these restaurants. It's called the Restaurant Launch. And he has all these restaurants that he helps. He like comes in and teaches them how to up their game and how to like really be a good server.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
What are we going to do? Tell her about everyone's money? Yeah. Oh, I don't know.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
Yes. And you're going to drag me into this? She's probably so scared to answer.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
She might be at her kid's rainbow run. Your call has to be.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
You know, there's only a few people in this world who make me nervous.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
Joe Coy, number 10. We're going to go in 10 to 1. Okay. Joe Coy, he grossed $26 million. He did 83 shows, 368,000 tickets sold.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
They can't. 27.8 million, 36 shows, 199,000 tickets.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
I also think Adam Sandler is not as, he's harder to get.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
But Adam Sandler, like, oof. Trevor Noah, number seven.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
94 shows, 392,000 tickets. Number six. Here's our guy.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
Number five, another friend of the pod, Sebastian Maniscalco. Very enjoyable episode. Check it out in the archives.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
$36.5 million for Sebastian. Oh, I love it. 53 shows, 293,000 tickets. Oh, baby.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
Number three. I mean, I'm sorry, number four, number four. How much? 37.5 million.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
60 shows, 399,000 tickets. Ooh, tasty. Number three, Gabrielle Iglesias. Sure. 42.8 million.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
That's too many. That's every day. 733,000 tickets. Wow. Number one, Nate Bregazzi.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
Wow. Pretty cool. Okay. Are orcas acting up? Yeah. Yeah. They're ramming boats and... Getting wily. They're getting real wily. Now... What's way more interesting is while I was editing this episode and we were at the orcas part, the orcas part was part of the SeaWorld portion of this episode where he talks about finding someone's ring at SeaWorld. Oh, yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
He finds things. But then we were talking about SeaWorld and orcas. And I'm in the middle of that part. Listening. And then email pops up. It's a request. It's an ad request for SeaWorld.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
Okay. Now, what is Campari? Oh, I regret to inform you. I know. Okay. You told me that Bert did have the bee's knees.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
I wasn't. I didn't do it again. You still didn't do it. I know.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
The problem is, but I'm going to be open because I want to do this for Bert. I just know I'm not going to like the Campari Spritz.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
I just, I don't even like Aperol Spritz, which everyone likes. And this is like a stronger, more bitter version of Aperol. But you know what? I'm going to do it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
Well, why do I have to? Why can't I go with something fancy?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
Four Roses, you probably would have liked. It's really good. And it's better.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
These are classics. Yeah, you're going classic. That's right.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
Mm-hmm. That's what America was built on. Woodford. Have you ever had Woodford? No. Woodford Reserve. Very good. Very good product.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Bert Kreischer
Wait, I don't know this. We are definitely talking about this.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Brolin Returns
Just for people listening, I think that is a version of fighting.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Brolin Returns
We had this conversation sort of recently, randomly, where we were at odds at how to handle a situation that affects both of us. And he was like, well, we're just different. I'm a fighter. And I was like, I'm a fighter, too. But I fight differently. There's just all ways of surviving. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Brolin Returns
I mean, I do fight also. Well, she and I. So that's why I was like, what are you talking about? We yelled and screamed at each other last night.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Brolin Returns
I think I learned early on being a marginalized person. That wasn't going to work for me. Yelling and screaming, that would just remove me from that. I was already on the cusp of getting removed. So that wasn't going to work. That's my wife. Yeah, it's getting actually close to those people. Oh yeah, that's right. That's right.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Brolin Returns
Yes. It's like getting close, understanding the person and figuring out what they need from you in order to stay.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Brolin Returns
I just saw her peripherally. We talked about this. You get two people in life, if you're lucky, who are safe spots. And so if one or both are not safe, they're unpredictable. You have no choice, but your cortisol levels are at a whatever. That's exactly right. How you're moving through.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Brolin Returns
Ironically, that's a version of the fight I was talking about earlier. That's you fighting in a different way to survive that. And it's not fighting with yelling. It's fighting with love and affection and being the right thing for her and all of that. It's the
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Brolin Returns
I was just in the house and our friend Anna, she had borrowed a sweater for me. It's blue and it's from Quince. It's gorgeous and it fits so well. And when she was wearing it, I was like, I want it back.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Brolin Returns
It's like performance art. You're just doing this around town. Oh, that's what it is.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Brolin Returns
He was... We had him on and it was the best episode of the year by far. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Brolin Returns
Yes, we have. Not that Matt Damon is my double name. There is a Venn diagram there of you and Matt and Tom Hanson.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Brolin Returns
Jesse Eisenberg was just talking about this with Adventureland because it was supposed to be Michael Cera. And he just spent the whole shoot being like, I'm not Michael Cera. I'm not Michael Cera. He was just panicking the whole time.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Brolin Returns
I have seen that. It is unbelievable. It's an unbelievable movie. I think you made me watch it maybe and I loved it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Brolin Returns
It's a version of a psychology degree. Totally.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Brolin Returns
It's pretty. It's effective. It's effective. Efficient.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Brolin Returns
Do people get in fights in AA meetings? There are. No, I don't. Well, I know you almost got in a fight once with Eric Dane. We talked about that as well.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Brolin Returns
Oh my, that's beautiful. It's tragic, but it's beautiful.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Brolin Returns
Also, this episode's on video if people want to watch it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Brolin Returns
Well, it's the power of identity that we put on ourselves. Like the whole story where you like being the crazy dad. And then in one second, you're not the crazy dad. You're a person.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Brolin Returns
Not live. Five days late. But five days ago, we were in the midst of an apocalypse.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Brolin Returns
Yeah. So, yeah. Yesterday, at like, I guess, two, I guess, or one early, a fire started in the Palisades, which is on the west side, so far from us. Normally, these fires happen in Malibu.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Brolin Returns
Yeah. Palisades was new and closer, more inland. And it just kept going and going and going. And everyone there had to evacuate. And it's gone. The Palisades is gone. The Palisades village is completely gone.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Brolin Returns
Yeah. And that's why the fires got really out of control. And apparently they were that Palisades fire was moving at five football fields a minute.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Brolin Returns
Am I following them? Well, that's what's interesting.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Brolin Returns
Yeah, I mean, a lot of journalists have a they chase that like that's a part of their personality. I feel like when we had Anderson Cooper on, we talked a little bit about that, that it's in some ways it's like an addict's brain, like there's some element of that. chasing a chaos.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Brolin Returns
Yeah, I think if you get out, you can then reflect back and have that opinion.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Brolin Returns
So that happened. And then... There was a lot of warnings that likely more fires would start popping up in the night because it was supposed to get much worse. The winds were supposed to increase between 10 p.m. and 4 a.m. and hit like 100 miles per hour. You know, everyone started like getting these warnings and stuff. I had this app. And yeah, I'm just like staring at the map of L.A.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Brolin Returns
and just like watching them just pop up all over the place.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Brolin Returns
Wasn't it so cozy? Everything is so soft and so comfortable and so cute. You know I have a bunch of their products I've acquired over the years, and I love them all, all for different occasions. I have that gray dress that I really love that I can dress up or down.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Brolin Returns
Yes, I have the jammies. I have the bras. The bras are really something special because it's really hard to find a good, comfortable bra that's also chic. And they have a really good one, the Fits Everybody T-shirt bra. It really does fit everybody. I have gifted this.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Brolin Returns
looking at all of this I was so confused I was just like I don't know fires like I don't understand them I don't know where you're supposed to go if there's a fire on all sides how do you get anywhere uh How how early are you supposed to leave? Should I be going somewhere now just in case?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Brolin Returns
Because, yes, this Altadena one is on one side of us and at this point is moving into Glendale, which is very close to us. And it's like I just felt like I have no idea what to do. And you were scared. Very.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Brolin Returns
Yeah. I was up till three staring at this thing.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Brolin Returns
And then I lost power and then I lost cell and Internet and I couldn't communicate with anyone. And it was scary. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Brolin Returns
That's OK. Yeah. Sometimes it's hard to be by yourself, but it was fine. Obviously, we're fine here. Thank God we're so lucky to be in a place that we did not have to evacuate. We know people.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Brolin Returns
Yep. We know people whose houses have burned down. Many people have had to leave.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Brolin Returns
palisades thing is gonna it's just gonna be gargantuan across the board it's like when we think about where talent and energy is being spent when the the city is on fire you really start evaluating like what is the point of all this other extra accoutrement when we can't even get a fire under it's still like i think the altadena fire is still at zero percent containment
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Brolin Returns
Like, yeah, it's wild. Even military. I'm like, why? Why?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Brolin Returns
And then no one repairing it either. Like, exactly. Yeah. Yeah, it's wild.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Brolin Returns
firefighters and then also even today just all the landscape workers like there's so many people out there like trying to clear out there's a huge tree that huge that fell on those fields in commonwealth so that whole intersection is completely blocked by a tree and like you see these guys out there like trying to get it out yeah it's it's wild it is wild it felt very end of days um
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Brolin Returns
I think I have to say yes, but that's a straight up lie. I think maybe I've only half seen it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Brolin Returns
Oh, my God. I know. Infrastructure. Yes, I know. I know. I, I agree. I fully agree.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Brolin Returns
So scary. That's probably also maybe if they escape, then it's more time to find them before they like hit a community. Maybe it's part of also why they're remote.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Brolin Returns
We can't search. That sounds like a movie. We have no internet. Yeah, we don't have internet here, so we can't do any searches.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Brolin Returns
But yeah, anyway, it's been a wild 24 hours. Very eventful. Very eventful 24 hours in Los Angeles. Oh, and for people who will probably ask, because in today's episode, we reference that we did a commercial and that it's out, but it's not out yet. We did postpone putting it or the company decided to probably rightfully postpone. So just as nothing else. I mean, what else has happened since?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Brolin Returns
Yeah. Whenever you're not in the movie, she fast forwards.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Brolin Returns
Josh Brolin, I think, lived in Malibu. So that's a ding, ding, ding.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Brolin Returns
And it was interesting because, you know, people were like, make sure you have your stuff ready in case you got to go fast. And I was just sort of like looking around my apartment. and i was like what do i what should i take like what is important to me yeah And all I took was my passport and my medication. Yeah. I didn't put anything in there.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Brolin Returns
It's out currently. It's out currently. Rob's went out much earlier last night.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Brolin Returns
Wow. The winds were so crazy. And you could hear it like so loudly as if it was like a thunderstorm.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Brolin Returns
So no, no, you must be thinking of your doppelganger, Matt Damon, Goodwill hunting. You're just confused. But Corey Feldman, sorry. No, what's happening?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Brolin Returns
That's very nice. Yeah, it was very touching and moving. OK, so the Fred Durst Corey Feldman tour is called Loserville, which we don't like.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Brolin Returns
I mean, I'm not blaming them for calling it a bad name, but it makes me feel sad that they called it that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Brolin Returns
Well, this says the wild, mostly sold out summer tour that brought together two pop culture icons who know exactly what you think of them.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Brolin Returns
Yeah. And then he talks about Skylight Books, which is down the street from us.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Brolin Returns
Sometimes I like to just go on walks. And that's a nice destination for the walk because it's a good amount of distance. Yeah. And then it has a nice little ending. It's cute. It's really cute to walk around there.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Brolin Returns
Now, we've talked about this many times, but I always feel like it's not correct, so I always check it. About Matt Damon and 10% of Avatar, it's correct.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Brolin Returns
Yep, it's still correct. It'll always be correct.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Brolin Returns
Yeah. Almost made. I guess that's what you have to do. Also.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Brolin Returns
They would never sell it. Never. Too much integrity.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Brolin Returns
I wonder if they're wine girls. I don't think so.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Brolin Returns
There might be more martini girls. I would put them more in the martini category. Sophisticated.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Brolin Returns
A little. I love it. I love it. But I'm pedestrian.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Brolin Returns
With the chimp, right? Did you read it, by the way? No, I don't read the books on purpose.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Brolin Returns
It's kind of like the Goonies situation I was put into. No, no, no. No, but I do on purpose in case things get too esoteric for people who have not read it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Josh Brolin Returns
Even this, like I want to know specifically the why, the parts that you resonate with.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
Santa Barbara seems to be the place. When my parents first came to visit here, we went to Santa Barbara on a day trip and they were like, this reminds me of India. I was like, what?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
At 24, I lost my narrative, or rather it was stolen from me. And the Monica Lewinsky that my friends and family knew was usurped by false narratives, callous jokes, and politics. I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
So I think listeners can expect me to be chatting with folks, both recognizable and unrecognizable names, about the way that people have navigated roads to triumph. My hope is that people will finish an episode of Reclaiming and feel like they filled their tank up. They connected with the people that I'm talking to and leave with maybe some nuggets that help them feel a little more hopeful.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
Follow Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to Reclaiming early and ad free right now by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
Why don't you guys tell the exact same story? We'll plan it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
You get really rigid in front of the camera. Most people do.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
Mo plays Mo in that, but then in his show, he's a different Mo.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
I think it's hard when people die. You kind of remember their death. That's the first thing that is top of mind. So to click back into their life when they were happy and joyous and living with vitality, that's a gift.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
How is your Instagram? Because Instagram is, well, social media is a cesspool.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
It's tough. Do you face a lot of backlash and weird stuff there?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
Yes, because you have boasted many a time about your haircutting capabilities.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
And I've never experienced it. And I need a haircut so badly.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
I don't think they're exactly the same, but yes, I think there's a thickness. Although Matt once told me, Matt, our friend who's a hairstylist, told me that the actual strand itself of mine is not that thick. It's more like medium.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
Well, green eyes happens there sometimes, but no blonde hair.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
It's all of us, right? We just don't know how to operate in the world. Humans do not know how to operate.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
I did send it to Callie, of course. I sent her the text. She said, what is going on? And I responded and she said, but where is the bread from? Oh, we still don't know. It really important.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
No. When you have your five dishes that you make, that you used to make, those were your special dishes. Mm-hmm. And- One of them is a tuna. Chicken salad sandwich. Excuse me, a chicken salad sandwich.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
Yeah, well, you can have it on the sourdough, I guess. How often are you cheating with the sourdough?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
No, that like I think you're just underweight. Like your body wants to weigh more. So, of course, it's like getting something and it's going to hoard it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
Is it that or is it that you got back from New York and you had all this yummy food and now you want yummy food again?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
No, maybe you are having, you know how they call them sympathy pains when a woman is pregnant and then the man also experiences pains.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
Yeah. I think it's maybe more that like she's eating more. Oh, yeah. There's more on her plate, literally. Yeah. So then you're just matching that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
You might be having sympathy weight gain from us all being on our periods.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
I use period underwear. And there's a lot of rages. People use the cup.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
Yeah. And she also told us a story of someone, she was at a wedding and a girl's popped it, you know, pop and locked.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
Yeah, I would say that. But listen, I have, I'm sure- At some point in life when I was wearing tampons, wore a tampon without an underwear. Oh, definitely. Like in a bathing suit.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
Let me tell you why. If you're wearing a certain dress, like let's say you're going to a wedding or something, and you're wearing a certain dress and you don't want underwear lines... you'd go without.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
Even still depending. I mean, there are some good underwears that you can use, but there are certain dresses that like, you can just see it. So there are times that I... I gotta go to more weddings. There are times that I... Haven't worn underwear.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
I've been on my period for, I mean. A hundred years. I mean, since I was 11. Or 12. You got it at 11? Or 12. I forget.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
No. I was an early bloomer. Okay. And anyway, I have been on it for a really long time. And then I like, I know the feeling of what it is to have a tampon in and not have underwear.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
Listen, I remember I wore a dress sort of recently that I didn't wear underwear. I do know that. And I kind of feel like I was on my period then. And I think I wore a tampon specifically because I don't really wear tampons anymore. And I remember I had to wear it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
Plug, plug. I would never be worried about popping and locking and the tampon falling out.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
Yeah. They're wily. It's like, I think it's like big. So, so the fact that the whole thing is up there, it does feel like it would be like kind of, I think, but rubbery, I think.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
No, I want to hear about whiskey, and I know he's bad to the bone.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
You are so lucky that your sister did that because he would have died of TSS.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
Yeah, because that's when you need a tampon when you're in a bathing suit.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
In some ways it's a hard product. In some ways it sells itself. Cause like if you need it, you get it. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
Well, maybe that's why tampons have had to step up their game because there are competing period underwear.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
I know. Okay. Um, it's, it's, there are brands, Knicks. Knicks is a brand. So you don't, you don't have to say period underwear. You can say like.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
It is. Maybe they are not stealing. Maybe they are... Inspired by Tampax. They're building upon the Tampax.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
This is, look, nothing against the tampon industry, but this is better for you.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
Okay. How are you going to get these people back on tampons? The people that have left to the cuff.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
Yeah. You're in a meeting right now. Here we are. Guys, our sales are plummeting.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
Because there's all these competing trends now that, look, I hate to say it, and this doesn't leave this room, they're better for the women's bodies.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
Yeah, I do. My flow, even at its heaviest, one can sustain it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
Or if they think it's a sucker. All the men offered this campaign immediately. This is so embarrassing and bad. Absolutely not. Absolutely not. Every woman has been in a situation where a tampon's fallen out, and it's like the most...
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
It is so upsetting when your tampon falls out of your backpack.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
You're not. Okay. I need to take a break. As we've established, I am currently on my period.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
Exactly. Where do you see? There's no, I'm not carrying any underwear. There's no underwear in my bag.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
If this man would rather me get TSS slash have to put cloth up my pussy.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
Thank you for explaining that to me. If this man, this hot man who I think is kind and nice and from another country this man is,
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
I think this man from another country really understands that Americans are crazy.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
No, that's I want to get a little more nuanced. I wouldn't. And stop saying big pair of underwear.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
This is what I'm saying. You don't understand what's going on.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
Now, what I wouldn't want to happen, I will say this. What I would not want to happen is my bag falls out.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
See? Now, listen. This is what I... Yes. Would I rather... A little tampon.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
Okay, it falls out. Yes, I would prefer that to dirty period underwear falling out at a restaurant.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
If that happened, the underwear Ziploc bag slash regular stinky underwear. When it happens. I would say, ugh, that's embarrassing. Oh, no, this is like David Chang all over again. No, I would address it. I would address it. I'd be like.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
Oh, my God. I would say. Hmm. I don't wear tampons anymore because they're not good for you.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
Oh, that's so embarrassing. I'm so embarrassed. I just don't wear tampons anymore because they're not great for you, for women's bodies.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
I think you're probably a rare customer, but I would be like, oh, so glad you're shit your pants.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
That's the right call, right? I mean, I'm upset, obviously.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
Oh, it's cutting up. And we were burying it or putting it in the ocean or something.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
I'm just also not very strong, even though I've been doing my farmer's carries.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
No, when I was going to and from. Getting a glass of wine? I just do it when I see them. Kind of.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
They are like right there. I mean, I can't say I haven't done them after a night out.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
Yeah. I think I actually am ready. So I've been doing two 40s.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
But I'm not going very far. How far are you supposed to go?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
Well, I go back and forth until it feels like it's really falling out of my hand. Okay. You think that's bad?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
Do you want me to do anything with my head? No. Okay, great.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
Moe Ammer. This was a great episode. Really interesting life.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
We've had a few people on lately with really interesting lives.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
Yeah. OK, now I have to check myself. I said that we had someone on Armchair Anonymous who told a story about how they pooped in the aisle of a plane and it got everywhere and it got on the flight attendant.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
No, it happened, but it was the flight attendant called. It was flight attendant stories.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
Or plane stories or something. And she told it from her perspective. She's the one that got pooped on. Oh.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
That's an Easter egg for Armchair Anonymous. And it's a dick.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
Okay. When do Michael Che and Colin Jost do their like swapy?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
Uh-huh. That happened at Christmas. They might do it more, but that was at Christmas.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
Yes. And then last time they did it, they talked about Scarlett's vagina and it caused some issues. Oh, my God, Jax. Hold on.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
Okay, okay, okay. Don't get upset. Okay. Now, why shouldn't adults get their tonsils removed? They will experience more pain and slower healing compared to children, and there's a higher chance of complications like bleeding or infections. Okay.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
I don't even know what that means, because, like, that's haircutting lingo.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
Yes. So I still don't really understand it. Like it must be the size of the tonsils would be my guess.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
Yeah, there's like bleeding, but you'd think a kid's tonsils would lead to more bleeding.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
I mean, close. Maybe not. Maybe they were about to, so they probably talked about it. Okay, now the Kuwaiti citizenship thing.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
Yeah, this is, I think, what we refer to as jumping the shark.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
Oh my God. I know, he really did it. And Monica's hair's in it. Yeah, that's what I told her. Do we wanna rinse it off?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
You should have seen my hair. It was way too long. Right? They're really bad. Thank you, Lincoln.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
Well, no, I just don't like, well, as you know, I have my struggles with Whiskey. Yeah, everybody does.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
Okay. Now, I asked AI about the Kuwaiti passports and stuff.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
In citizenship. And it said, in general, no, being born in Kuwait does not automatically grant you Kuwait citizenship or a passport. Kuwait follows a jus sanguinis, that means right of blood principle, rather than jus soli, right of the soil principle. Great. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
Not great, but great for the information. Great to find out, yeah. Yeah. Let's see. The Peabody's. Do you think maybe we'll get a Peabody for this fact check?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
Okay. The George Foster Peabody Awards, or simply Peabody Awards, or the Peabody's, named for the American businessman and philanthropist George Peabody, honor what are described as the most powerful, enlightening, and invigorating stories in all of television, radio, and online media.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
Because of their academic affiliation and reputation for discernment, the awards are held in high esteem with the media industry. And as I told you, they are presented by the Grady College of Journalism and Mass Communications at the University of Georgia. Ding, ding, ding.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
And we still don't have one, even though that's the case, which is pretty upsetting.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
And they, when you're in college there and you're part of the journalism school, which technically I was because my PR degree was with Grady, you could apply and basically audition slash try out to be one of their like student judges. And I did that and I did not get chosen. Okay.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
Mahjong. Yes, he did. He did. He won like three out of three games. Yeah. Yeah, I guess that's true friendship.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
Sure. Oh, that reminds me of an even worse thing that happened.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
No, with Callie. So... Oh, I remember this story somehow, I think. What was it? When I lived in Atlanta after college and I had an agent and was trying to work in Atlanta before I moved to L.A., you know, the auditions that come through aren't that frequent. Right. So it feels like there's a lot of pressure on them. There was a commercial audition for— Wow. I don't remember.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
It was a fast food brand company. Yeah. And... And they basically said, like, bring a friend to the audition because you needed to, like, be interacting with someone in it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
No, she wasn't there to act. She was there to just be there with me and do this thing. And then she booked it. I'm pretty sure I did cry about that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
Oh, yeah. I didn't blame her. Even then I didn't blame her. But I was like, man, I suck.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
Are you regretful right now that you didn't take this opportunity to shave one side of my hair? Stop! Stop!
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
It really feels like you're doing it. Stop, stop, stop. Did you get some?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
Yeah. We had an armchairion tell a story about that where he pooped in the lane. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mo Amer
Oh, my God. And all these beautiful flight attendants were there. And there's poop on them now.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
It's the best version of a familial relationship. That's right. It doesn't have all the baggage around it. It's like the purest. I've never thought of it like that. That's really true.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
Staying likable is a thing that women carry that men do not. Do they not, though?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
Well, being likable for a man is that is exuding confidence. They're not trying to balance being dominant and being submissive all at once.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
Uh-oh. Here we go. We love patterns. Remember Trauma? earlier?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
I think I have it less so now. You started to say you saw something on Instagram that we got really derailed.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
I don't know. Some people are embarrassed. Really? I find it odd too.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
But modeling, she grew up seeing her. And I feel like you're interesting with embarrassment. You get embarrassed, but you also like getting embarrassed.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
At 24, I lost my narrative, or rather it was stolen from me. And the Monica Lewinsky that my friends and family knew was usurped by false narratives, callous jokes, and politics. I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
So I think listeners can expect me to be chatting with folks, both recognizable and unrecognizable names, about the way that people have navigated roads to triumph. My hope is that people will finish an episode of Reclaiming and feel like they filled their tank up. They connected with the people that I'm talking to and leave with maybe some nuggets that help them feel a little more hopeful.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
Follow Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to Reclaiming early and ad free right now by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
When you say you didn't identify as the smoke show that Dax identified you as, then were you like, my, quote, worth is in humor, is in being smart, those things.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
That's changed a lot of things for us, I think. The success of it. I think it's made the pressure a little more. The more we sign deals and start doing those things, then it's like, we got to have big numbers. It almost took away the thing that we started with, which was like, let's just chit chat.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
Sorry, I got confused because we had talked at the beginning about her passing.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
I haven't done them in a long time, too. It was good money, but not like it was. No, that was the promise. Like you could get this one commercial and you could get $250,000 and that never happened. No.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
Or even if they know what's happening, that's still sad for them probably. Like no one feels that they can come talk to me for real.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
You already did it. You proved yourself. You've been on multiple things that are incredible. The fact that things are still kind of out there, it's huge.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
Oh, I was thinking that when you guys were talking about parent hoodie stuff, big mistake for them not to do a parent hoodie.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
Yeah. I know. That's a thing. You haven't heard that? No.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
Is there something weird, though, about, weird maybe isn't the right word, but a little unsettling about seeing the person from so many years ago in the exact same spot they were? I don't know. Oh, no, it's fine.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
I know. I don't know if it gets less funny and more like, oh, Friends was my number one. I could not have loved it more. Yeah. And I'm glad they never did that. I'm glad it ended and they did it. It can live like that for me forever.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
It might be a red flag who does take you up on that offer.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
We have to give you props really quick because you make the best banana bread I've ever had in my entire life. Oh, I haven't made that in so long. During COVID, you made it and we had it and it was so good.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
Oh, you were interviewed. Oh, I thought you guys were like trying to sell your product.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
Okay, great. I'm just thinking about all these products, you know?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
I just... Do we need more products? Unless it's filling a space.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
I do think you are filling a space with TED Seekers. I don't think there's a lot of good NA beer.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
And I... I think I'm going to say I declare I'm against it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
So it's not an anti-capitalist stance. It's more just like, do we need it, guys? More of an enough already? Yeah. It's a little bit more of an enough already mixed with like. Everyone famous has to have some product. Like, not you again.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
I also think selling products is great. I have no beef with people who kind of who do who are doing that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
But I mean, even people who like. don't really care about the product but are like, look, I can slap my name on this and get eyes on it and I think it's fine. I don't have any... I don't really have a problem with some of this bad things that other people might have problems with.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
But I do think, like, when I go to... Target, I'll say, if I go to Target.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
And there's, like... So many tequilas. They're all one kind of tequila. It's all they're all a celebrity brand tequila of one variety. It's not like they like put in a ton of effort to make it good. You know, I think we recently talked about Paul Feig. Paul Feig has a gin.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
Yeah, but I think most people think when they hear party, they think like club, 4 a.m.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
I'm just telling you what the colloquial observation of the word party.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
And being out late. People think partying is being out late and they don't party with me because I'm in bed by eight.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
But we would be honest that it's rare. Yeah, but we used to get panicked because you haven't taken your sleep aids.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
I watched all of Running Point on Saturday. I watched the whole show.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
Well, let me be clear really quick. To me, it's not about like, oh, this guy has. It's not about the guy or the girl or the whatever. It's not about the person. It's about the space. It's like, guys, we just don't need another one of these.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
Get a little creative. Look and see what's needed. Then do that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
This is the same with beauty. Beauty insiders also feel like this. Like, wow, everyone has a makeup brand or a beauty brand. Fragrance. Something. And I agree, but I also think there is some space there. Like, I do like the people who are coming in with a more diverse color palette.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
Well, there's just a lot of variation within darker colors and that's not available.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
I was just asking Simone yesterday. I was like, what did you put on my face again for the SAG Awards? And she was like, I used to.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
George Clinton, but his is good. Well, yeah, they could be good or they could be- I guess, but I guess with that, I didn't even know that was his brand.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
Oh, good for him. And then I was, then I learned- Like, I think he invested in that, right?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
But that's selling. That's like, he's the spokesperson. I'm fine with spokespeople.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
That's what I'm saying. That's different. Starting something, founding something, having your own idea and doing it to me is like, Now I'm now I'm confused about what I'm even saying.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
Everyone can do it. There's just a lot of products out there.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
I agree. Like Kristen was with Spindrift for a while.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
That to me is great. Like she likes the product and it exists and she is helping promote it. She's a spokesperson. But I think if she on her own was like- And like you guys did it with Hello Bella because you felt like that there was a need.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
Yes. But I think if she on her own was just like, what product shall I make now?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
Or just anything. It's like she didn't do that. And I appreciate that. Like, I think just being hired is great.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
I am. Please hire me to be a spokesperson. No, I think you just. No, this is this is nuanced. I would like to be a spokesperson for your product that already exists, but I don't want to clutter the market with a new one.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
No, I made this clear that I think that's different.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
Yeah, that's great. Everyone do whatever they want. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
Me too. Everything's fine. Everyone's doing great.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
As I said, I watched all of Running Point. Really enjoyed it. I miss that half hour comedy vibe a lot.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
It's such an easy. It's just easy. It's breezy. It's fun. It's sexy. I like it. Um, so I watched all that. Oh, speaking of on my Instagram this week, because it's, it's Mindy week. Although when this comes out, it won't be Mindy week past, but, um, it's Mindy week. So every day this week, I'm posting on stories, an old episode of ours, uh, That is connected to Running Point.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
So like yesterday I posted Kate's old episode.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
Today I posted Ike's first appearance. Wow, first. Yeah. And then there's more to come.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
What else did I do? Oh, I had a big catch-up session yesterday.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
with my viewing crew because we were behind and we watched white lotus and severance we were behind so we had to watch two severance two white lotus you have not introduced me to this viewing crew concept this is you just dropped it on my lap like i'm super familiar i told you anna julia jess and i watched that watch severance and white lotus i you told me you had watched an episode i didn't realize it was a commitment and a viewing crew and a weekly
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
Yeah. Yeah. So fun. But the problem is when you miss.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
Maroon. No, it's like then we have four to watch. That was a lot.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
Oh, yeah. I didn't understand what you were doing. Okay, yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
Okay. All right. So we had to watch four episodes.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
Yeah, which was also very fun. That's fun. It was fun. But then the Oscars were also on.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
So I had to watch pieces of that. So it was a lot of television consumption over the weekend.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
How's my boyfriend? Does he do well? Does he?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
He's definitely been one of my boyfriends since he came on the show.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
Yes, he's so playful. God, he really is so playful.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
That's what it is. It's not underdog, I don't think.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
And I won't clean my ass after. Don't say that. It's my opinion. I mean, that's the world we live in. Opinions are facts. You just say it and it's a fact.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
Yeah. So, all right. Well, that's fun. You had a viewing party.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
God, yeah. The Philly, they do also have Philly.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
Oh, you've been hanging out with too many bros.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
No, Aaron and Erin are not the bros I'm talking about.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
You did used to do the gum, though, remember?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
Actually, I was thinking about that. This is a Easter egg. You know, you can't wait to watch you tap dance around this.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
I know. For someone who is pretty risk averse, I'm really not. I step on the ice all the time.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
I do think you connect with bro culture. Like in your head, you think that. Like you grew up in Michigan and, you know, it's dirt road and you have all these bros and then other kinds of bros in Detroit. Like you really connect with that idea. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
But I think you sometimes identify sometimes. Well, maybe it's just when you're with them. I don't know. But I and I mean this as a huge compliment.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
You are not one. Oh, I know. And, like, your bros are sweet boys.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
That's, like... I think that there's a distinction for me.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
Yeah, that's that's right. I think the broke culture that people talk about.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
It's different than what you have and what you're doing.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
Yeah. Yeah. But like some people do put it to the test, like Rogan. Like he goes and he's like into UFC.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
Yeah, but he's choosing still to surround himself and build a life that's still like that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
Yeah. I mean, I don't know that I'll say he's a big bad wolf, but do I think he contributes to a culture that I think is problematic? Yes. And that doesn't mean he himself necessarily is that, but I think he feeds that group what they want and then they get off on it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
Yeah, it's not that they're picking and choosing. He has a huge audience that he, I believe, cares to keep, as you should. Yeah. And I think that means feeding... Feeding it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
I only wondered because, again, Easter egg, we have someone coming out and we have two people coming out that are, in my opinion, well, one of them especially is quite a typical guy.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
And the type of conversation even is different.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
And I did think, I wonder what would happen, like in an alternate universe, what would happen if I wasn't here? Not in this, in this show. If it was Dax Solo, what would happen with the show? Who would it be? What would it be? I mean, I think there's no way to know because of like the...
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
the alchemy you can't you can't tell right but I did you know after I was like oh man I wonder then we went out and your friends were here errands the errands were here and I was like oh I don't it wouldn't be that I think the way you can test it is I've gone on these people's shows and I'm just still me I'm talking about trauma and addiction and being vulnerable yeah even in the
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
You're not bragging about those things. No, but also I but I do. I was thinking. Yes, you're right. I think you would be talking about trauma and you would be. whatever, you know, I agree. You are you, but I was, and this is not a, this is not a pat on my back. Cause it was you who said that I should be here. Yeah. I do think it's just so fucking important to have a woman in the room.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
Yeah, but I, yeah. Well, yeah, sorry. I mean, I mean, as hosts, like it is really important to have a woman there. It changes the dynamic of everything, even if I'm silent. Okay.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
Yeah. Again, I don't think it's the enemy. I think they should be able to do that. I'm not like you can't, but I think.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
Yeah. I mean, then we get into like women are talking about the things that aren't being talked about. Because that is not a group that gets a lot of attention in that way. Like they're talking about not getting paid. That is important to talk about, right? Like I don't think men on the men's podcast are saying like, yeah, women aren't getting paid.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
No, I didn't say, that's putting words in my mouth.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
No, it's just representation. It's just that that group needs—they do need more platforms to talk because there aren't that many. So it is good to have—I don't mean—I'm not—I also think the women should have men on.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
I think there's a— Well, that's—yeah, yes, that's true.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
I agree. I agree. But I do think there's a lot of ideas currently. I mean, not even ideas. We know. We know what's happening to men. Men are suffering. They are tanking.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
And I don't I often think some of these things don't help that. Personally, for them, I think they get very riled up and then they're just continuing to do to go on this course that is not going to pull them out of any of these ruts.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
No, the reason to care is the implication it has on a huge group of this country, sort of a currently like kind of disenfranchised male. And they're like rallying around.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
But it's not working. It's not getting them out of any of these bad situations that they're in.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
I mean, literally all of those people are. I'm not freaking out right now because I don't have any money and they can't buy anything and everything's gone.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
I have a lot of jeans. I got rid of a bunch recently too. I heard a new rule, two out, one in. So if you buy something, you have to get rid of two. I'm working on that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
Yeah. And they're going to, and it sucks for them.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
but what we started just talking about is that they, they got their president and they did. Yeah. And my opinion is that their president, that they all got fucking fooled. And I don't think that I do think there's a risk, but maybe not a responsibility. I would find it to be my responsibility.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
If we had a show, if our show, if I started looking at our audience and I was like, hmm, our audience is all believing something that I don't think is actually correct and is actually going to lead them to suffer, I would want to do something different. here to try to help correct that while keeping them.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
That's too many armoires. I know, but the closet's too small. Yeah. So I had to make more space for said jeans. Yeah. I probably have 20 pairs.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
It's very unfair, in my opinion, for you to say that, like ever. So women have to do what women always have to do, which is placate men. Because they have the power and say like, oh my God, it's so, you guys are so great. Please come over. We love you.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
Um, yeah. Yeah. But yes, for like being a woman in America, that's not I mean, I don't know how to combat like you. You did just kind of put me in a you did paint me in a way like, yes, I know, because.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
But that's not fair to, I don't think. We have so many men who come on this show, experts and celebrities. I'm not, when they walk in, I'm not like... well, I don't trust you or I'm not sure if I like you. I'm like, yes, I like you until something is said or done where I don't.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
No, but that's me interacting with men in the world.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
But if I'm behaving in that stereotype, for you to lump you in is a little like. Well, I'm a man. But I know you.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
It's not like you're a random man I know. My opinion of you is based on you and you and me. It is not about anything stereotypical.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
No, I know. But but it's I think there's some contradictions here because also when these stand ups are making jokes about women or other people of other races or whatever. And in your response, which I I think is correct, is if you don't like it, don't watch it. Uh huh. This is the same thing. Why? Why is it if it's a woman doing it? It's like that's really bad.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
But when men say something sexist, you can say like, well, just yeah, that's not for you. Don't watch it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
Yeah. I don't think most of the people in the country are hearing the woman at the cabaret show. I think that's very Los Angeles and very New York. I don't think that is happening.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
I think it's silly. I don't agree with that. But I think her saying it is not... Yeah, some people are saying it just like men are saying bad shit too. And I'm just like... If we're going to say that it's okay for those people to be saying those things and we just can like have... you know, we can not listen or they can speak to their people, then I think that has to be allowed anywhere.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
Yeah. Again, it's happening on both sides like crazy.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
Well, she probably does fucking need a man there that she likes. She does. Actually, that's exact. That's a perfect point. If she had someone there that she did trust and know and like that was a man. Yeah. I doubt that would be her opinion.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
But the fact that she is so potentially, I don't know anything about this person, but is so siloed off and that so much so that that is her opinion that the world would be better with no men. That to me is an indication that she needs to have some more men in her life that are good.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
But to me, that's an issue with silos. And that's exactly my whole problem with these shows that are, I think, intensifying a silo. And I think you're right. It is happening constantly. On both sides where people are only speaking to one group and these thoughts and opinions are getting so extreme, like we should eradicate entire sex and gender. Like, no, that's wild.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
I think that's bad. And it's like now after an hour is circling back to what I was saying, which is I think there would be less of it's men versus women if men and women were in rooms together a lot more and building trust. I do too. Oh, my God. A long walk there.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
That's really cute. Yeah, special to be on a show that just like keeps finding its audience. Yeah. All right. So the book club, Jenna Bush Hager's book club. These are the books. The Wedding People, Blue Sisters, The Mighty Red, The Motherless Land, Devotions, The Life Cycle of the Common Octopus, and This is a Love Story. Those are the last. That's from August of last year till now.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
She was on Friends. And then Lauren was in 93. So she did beat her by one year.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
The Howie Mandel game show that they went to visit is called Take It All.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
But this is ding-ding-ding sort of back to that riddle that we haven't shared. Take It All is a game show where the final two contestants choose between keeping their money or taking it all. The contestant who chooses Take It All wins all the money and prizes from both contestants. If both contestants choose Take It All, they both lose.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
Oh, the SNL four-part series. SNL 50, Beyond Saturday Night, includes an episode that explores the Saturday night live audition process. It's on Peacock. If anyone is interested. The movie she did with Joel McHale, A Merry Friggin' Christmas with Robin Williams. How long did This Is Us run? Six seasons. 106 episodes. You guys ran six seasons, 103 episodes.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
That's good. Yeah. I think that's fun. Yeah. Oh, man. Yeah. Well, I'm excited. I'm excited to keep watching. All right. That's it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
If she brings it, you have to eat some. This is Letterman all over again.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
That's a lot. Your relationship, does it mimic the show or is it more equal friends?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
Style. It wasn't an actual Benihana. I don't think it wasn't. We don't want to take away from the Benihana name.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lauren Graham Returns
No, the kids were crying. And so Kristen took them out and said it was just us two sitting at this big table with Cookie. And Dax panicked. He's like, I can't handle Cookie right now.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
You want it to look natural. Like they just naturally ended up looking nice. But not when you look and you immediately think, oh, they're trying so hard.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
It was actually better because sometimes you say memoir. And I do think this got closer.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
Well, it's your core. It's your foundation. And so if that thing has a crack in it, it's going to be extra scary.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
We don't trust ourselves. If we try to say it, it's not a trustworthy source.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
At 24, I lost my narrative, or rather it was stolen from me. And the Monica Lewinsky that my friends and family knew was usurped by false narratives, callous jokes, and politics. I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
So I think listeners can expect me to be chatting with folks, both recognizable and unrecognizable names, about the way that people have navigated roads to triumph. My hope is that people will finish an episode of Reclaiming and feel like they filled their tank up. They connected with the people that I'm talking to and leave with maybe some nuggets that help them feel a little more hopeful.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
Follow Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to Reclaiming early and ad-free right now by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
And it's so funny because that's your identity marker of what you think is the most important. I don't care if people say I'm fun. Right. At all. That would not be the thing I chose someone would leave my house and say. And they won't. That's probably not the thing they're going to say about me.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
I think I would want that was an intimate time.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
Not like sexually. No, no, I don't think that. Okay.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
But I respect her in that story, but I really respect you in that story, too, because you were able to take it, and I think 9.9 people out of 10 could not take it. Like you said, you had to kind of fight the urge. Yes. But most people are not fighting the urge.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
They are defensive, and they are also justifying to themselves a million reasons why she's wrong, and then they live the rest of their lives saying, why are you listening to Jane Fonda? So I respect you for being able to.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
We just completed a big interview. We're not going to say. We're going to be so elusive.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
And the last time you did that was...
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
Oh, yeah. Okay. Very mixed message. We just finished recording an episode that will be out in a few weeks, so you have to wait. You have to be so patient.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
I consider wearing it yesterday. We had it also a great interview yesterday.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
And so I was considering wearing it then. And then I decided to hold off. I mean, obviously we'll talk more about that episode on, on that episode. Um, It was a big one and it was a long time coming.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
You second guess yourself. You should always trust your gut.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
I don't want to say never because I don't want to seem like above you.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
Well, I just don't want to act like so superior.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
You're just a mess. You don't even know what you're doing.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
I'm excited. Do you mind if I take a quick pause and order a coffee?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
Yeah, that's what it is. Okay, I'm ordering from Cookbook. It's a great place. Sorry about that. You just got very hungry and thirsty.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
I had an apple. Okay. I don't like apples.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
It's a really, really cute market here in Los Angeles. It's kind of like McCall's.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
I decided I wanted to go there to replan my spices. Okay.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
I've been in a real, real spring cleaning moment.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
It's the new year. I think at the beginning of the year, you feel like you want to shed.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
You just want to get rid of a bunch of stuff, start clean and minimal. Um,
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
Yeah. For me, it's always first of the year. It's like we got to start new.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
Have you heard that joke? It's like, a little too real this year, but LA does have seasons. It has two, Fire and Awards.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
So I went to Cookbook to replan my spices. Yeah. And I got a little carried away in there because everything's so cute.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
And fun and bespoke, a word you hate.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
Right, but I thought you were adding bespoke to the mix.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
Okay, well, they had these little apples. And they were so little. But not those little baby ones people have.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
And I thought they were so cute. So I got a few and then I also bought this new nut butter from there and it's so good.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
But it's from a farm. It's jarred there.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
Yeah, because it sounds like duck butter.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
Yeah. So anyway, I ate an apple today.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
Exactly. So you have to think of it round, but yeah, that size.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
I have to cut it up. I don't like the sensation of biting into an apple.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
Well, I have heard, or maybe you told me that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
That's right. And the doctor, apparently. Very healthy product.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
I ate one with some of the nut butter.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
I'll just say I'm hungry now. I'm hungry now. Post-adrenaline dump. I have a couple of housekeepings.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
I kept calling it the armchair map. And I was saying, oh, it's kind of like a detective's map where one thing leads to another. And the way it works is there's a quote from somebody. So at this point, it will already have been out. So people have probably already seen it. But this past week had a quote from Sam Richardson on Alison Jones.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
And then the next quote is Alison Jones on Julia Louis-Dreyfus. And then the third is Julia Louis-Dreyfus on question mark. It's a blank.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
Yeah, that's where it's a fun riddle and a fun game. And it's on story. So you can like click and click the people. I think it's going to be fun.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
You don't have to listen to the whole episode, but it will go directly to that spot and you'll hear the little clip. Yeah. And then next week, I'll start with that person. And then every week we're going to just snake through that little catalog.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
We're not doing that. Oh, but I decided to name it. This is for our real hardcore listeners. Really get it. Get us. Armchair Lacuna. Because, you know, Lacuna, my favorite word. Even you don't know.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
Yes. Because like there's a lacuna in science. It's like that's the missing gap in science that people need to fill.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
Sure. And this is a missing gap game.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
It's going to be called Armchair Lacuna Matata.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
And that's from Yuval. Yuval taught us about Lacuna and now it's my favorite word.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
Well, she's popping wheelies, but her feet fit. That's not really fair.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
Yeah, I think it broke yesterday in our inner. Well, in our meeting, I could tell.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
Good. I felt I felt that you had released something.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
Emma gets credit for that. That's a that's a hard one to swallow. It's a hard pill to swallow.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
It's also because it's dark early still and apparently six more weeks of winter because of Pugwani.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
Now everyone's talking about it like, yeah, it's bad.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
I know. It's one of those that just... My Indian parents.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
What's the first movie you ever saw in the movie theater?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
There's so many things that are problematic. One is that isn't true. There's nothing to substantiate that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
And he had to tell his whole class about it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
Now that's true. So I'm going to teach that to these children. Wow.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
Oh, my God. That's like more than a gay joke. That is also sexual. This guy is perverted. No. You know what it was?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
For someone who's awfully spidey sensed, I have it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
All the you have to admit this is one of those things is wild, too. That's a pattern.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
Maybe this is a teaching moment for people.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
Most of the people you think who are molesters.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
Are not like they're this like creepy old creep in the corner. Like they're good at grooming and getting people to think they're charming. And it's interesting.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
OK, that's an interesting take. But grooming is very specific and it's someone who's just like a creep in the corner is not going to be good at groom. Well, some of them may be.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
Oh, God. But also, I think it depends on the age. Yes. When they're like 13 or 14 or 15, 14 or younger, if they said something sexual, that's obviously a teacher would be like, I mean, a parent would be like that person has to be fired immediately. But once you get into that 11th, 12th grade.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
Then grooming becomes a different game.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
He did not to you. You weren't the one he was grooming.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
And it's a little risky. It's all it's him. It's it's everything that makes him so great. Yeah. In just one one 10 minute thing. It's so good because Chappelle, you know, I know there's issues, right? People have issues with things he said and I don't agree with everything he said. But if you hear him interviewed and it's rare. Yeah. He's great.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
You know, he is Muslim and he is very into being good.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
And obviously in comedy that gets put on a shelf, but then you hear it as this like very subtle through line. He'll pop that in his spirit.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
Yeah. And in this monologue, he, he, He comments on Trump's bringing up that people are eating dogs. The Haitians are eating dogs and cats in Ohio. And he says, you know, I'm from there. He's not like I'm from there. And that was really bad. Right. But he's just he said, like, that annoyed me because I'm from there and that's not what happened. This is what happened. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
And then he tells this very sweet and he's not trying to be self-congratulatory. It's like on its way to a joke. But he just slips in that he went to those restaurants.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
Every day to eat and support those businesses. And like, obviously, I don't think that's the part people are necessarily taking, but it is what I took.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
It was incredible. And then he pulls it all the way back around to empathy. Oh, God. Really, really, really something.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
Yeah. I highly recommend watching that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
He's just the best. I guess we should say, although it's not too prevalent, but just in case people are confused, we recorded that Wednesday as the fires were starting.
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Chelsea Handler Returns Again
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Chelsea Handler Returns Again
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Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
What for the actual firefighters themselves? What is getting exploited?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
So, yeah, that's like bragging, I guess. Right.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
But there's a hypocrisy there. That's what's triggering. Right.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
And they were full of shit. But I think this one, these people, everyone in the city is not full of shit when they are saying this fucking sucked where we appreciate these firefighters. The city's sort of in sham.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
But it's a natural thing to think. I mean, we've talked about it because Kristen's going to host the SAG Awards. As a massive virtue signaler. Oh, sorry. All she does is virtue signal and it's like, pull it back. She's hosting the SAG Awards. So we've, of course, had these conversations. What are we going to do? How are we going to do it?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
I think that is a big point that no one really talks about. It's important for people to feel like they're contributing because otherwise they're like, well, then... What does it matter?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
Can't do anything. Yeah. So you actually need to give people opportunities to feel like they have an impact.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
I love you. Love you. Thank you for bringing my coffee.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
Real quick, because we're going to wrap this one up fast. Just a few facts for Chelsea. Okay. So it got pushed to the seventh. Bitcoin today.
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Chelsea Handler Returns Again
Oh, it did not. It is at $97,274. You said she got a CO2 LASIK. You meant laser. That's a facial procedure to make your skin look young and fresh.
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Chelsea Handler Returns Again
And you gave me some back exercises to do. I did them once.
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Chelsea Handler Returns Again
It's not good because it's also the seat. Does that have shoulder pads? No.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
Oh, wow. Yeah. Okay. Well, I also put my jeans smell.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
Yeah. They just smell like they haven't been washed because they haven't because I learned you don't really have to wash your jeans, but I think you do have to wash your jeans because they start smelling.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
Or, yeah, if it's like, wait, they're kind of talking about it, but not really. That's why.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
But also you are, this should be said publicly, one of the most generous people in this city. That is the truth. And I don't think people know it, but every time I'm at a gala, you might not be there, but your name is up there having donated an enormous amount of money. And I notice it and I always think, man, Chelsea. That's really nice. Thank you.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Chelsea Handler Returns Again
I was thinking that last night, because the Palisades have completely burned down. And I was like, think about the amount of sweaters and shoes, like the stuff that just is gone all of a sudden. And we do, I do, like, oh, I want this and I want this and I want to look like this. And it's so stupid.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Lisa Kudrow
Oh, my God. You hit with a waft of warm apple pie. Jesus.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
Okay, Burroughs is where our friend went. I'm sorry, you're actually a rival of our friend. Oh, I didn't realize I was in enemy territory.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
So overwhelmed, like two of the biggest things someone could experience at once. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
It would be so annoying if we did film this whole thing and then we were like, uh-oh.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
You're hitting a lot of different demos. We got those demos, which is great. My friend's mom is very into you. Oh, really? Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
Painted yourself in a box there a little bit, which is great.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
He was staring at your son thinking. We all were. Everyone at dinner was just staring at the baby the whole time.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
I was going to say what's different about him than the others.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
It sounds like he's giving you permission to just be you.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
Well, what should we call you? What did we earn today? I want to go with Delores. It's like Delores. Or Clove.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
Yeah, I don't remember how to do it. It's for the opposite reason, though.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
I, last week, I tried to get everything done, all the edits, so that I didn't have to work on Friday. What were you... I just didn't want to. I just wanted the day. I needed a day.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
And I did end up having to do a tiny edit in the morning, but it was fine. Oh, and I had a meeting. But I was done by...
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
Yes. And then you know what else I did? What? On Monday. Yeah. I decided the same thing.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
And I was like, I'm going to just have to do extra on Tuesday, but it's okay.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
Rusty, just getting to decide what I want to do and not think like, and at what point am I going to go open my computer and do X, Y, and Z. I think your skin is proof of it. I'm wearing new makeup.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
And well, actually, maybe it's not the makeup, although today is the first day I'm wearing this new makeup.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
I have also been using vitamin C serum. Which does brighten your complexion.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
Yes. And I used to use it, but I stopped all my stuff when I went to my new... When you had your hard reset. When I had my hard reset, the goddess at Corrective Skin Care, I like just stopped everything and just did my basic, basic regimen with her. But then I was like, ooh, I'm going to dip my baby toe in the water.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
They do. I mean, it's good to wear sunscreen if you're going to use vitamin C serum.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
No, but actually I am a little nervous. So there is this little thing on my face here.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
And we don't think it's... A pimple. Oh. So now I'm a little anxious that it is some sorry world, that it is something that might need removal. Okay. Now, if I need it removed, I did think this all through. It was like, what if I have a Band-Aid on my face for like two weeks?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
I... Look, is it okay, really, if I have to get this removed and I have to have a Band-Aid on my face for two weeks? I think we're going to have to figure something out.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
I can't. I can't even perform in life. I'll have to be in my room for two weeks.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
Oh, wear something over my face. Or your haircut. Okay. Like a wig, but it's in front of my face?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
Oh, my God. That's right. I had it. It wasn't chemical.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
I wore my hair. I was like really wearing it like this.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
I guess, okay, fine. I guess I'll do that if I have a band-aid. Okay. Maybe. I don't know. Oh, speaking of, big revelation since the last time we spoke. Oh, shoot. I think I may have cut it. We talked about hats. I do think I cut it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
We talked about hats. Didn't make the cut. Because I don't wear hats ever.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
But since we talked about it, I've worn a baseball hat twice.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
Okay, I like it because I feel like a different Monica when I wear it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
No, it's not, it's not so much over it as like, I'm just so chill, right?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
It had really good. Okay. That's the place that Erica, Jess, Laura, and I fled to when we got kicked out of Barton Springs. Oh, really?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
Oh, okay. That reminds me of two. Okay. That reminds me of something. It has been a long time.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
When I first started working for you guys, you know, I only had so much dollars in my pocket.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
But we all would hang out as a group and then we'd go to dinner. Yeah. And I always felt like this is ridiculous that they're paying every time. I think it's bad. And then, you know, people would offer and I would offer. Yeah. And I think sometimes... when you're in the position of paying, you feel like it's a just like gesture of an offer, right? But it's not. You tell me more.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
I think now I'm on sort of the other side of this and I do also struggle because I want to treat my friends to things. I also understand what it's like when they're saying, please, please let me pay. I know. And I, cause I'm like, you're just, I think you're just saying that cause you want to be a polite, good person.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
But actually what I do know from me is you, if you let someone pay every single time, you end up feeling like a mooch.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
I think that too. But what, what there is a risk of is a power imbalance does start, can start forming and
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
Hence, Tom telling me that you got to make sure you're... I think for different people, resentment's on both sides.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
You know, there can definitely be a, I've done so much for you.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
And now... And you aren't doing that. You know, whatever. I think humans, even though we think we're bigger than that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
Like you want to feel equal to anyone in a relationship, French, anything, you know? And so if one person, again, it's tricky because I feel the same as you. I'm like, I am happy to pay because I also don't contribute in many other ways that these other people are contributing. So to me, it's all equal. But there is something about finances for people that make everyone go bonkers.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
I have a friend who does well, but also has times of not being, you know, struggling a little bit.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
And she is actually like if I for out to dinner, she'll she'll definitely offer. And I'm like, no. And she will just say, thank you. I really appreciate it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
Because she also understands like, yeah, we just spent this dinner talking about.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
Yeah. That would be kind of crazy for me to be like, OK, yeah, we'll split it in half now. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
It's just tricks. But money makes relationships complicated.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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Dove Cameron
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Dove Cameron
,,,,,, I was at a stop light ready to cross. An unhoused person touched me.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
Yeah. And it was really creepy and I really didn't like it. And then when I told Jess, he said, Thiener?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
The one you taught us about here. You said people die.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
Okay. Well, yesterday. Yeah. I relearned Mahjong. Rachel, Anthony, Allison, and I used to play Mahjong a lot.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
Way back in the day. And now it's like hip. Like everyone's playing Mahjong.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
American Mahjong is is the one that like Jewish women.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
And that's the one that's taken off. But there's an Asian one. It's originally Chinese Mahjong is. But this is different. And it's so fun. But I had forgotten. I completely forgot how to play. But I felt like annoyed that it was back in. It's like in vogue.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
But in such a fun way. I think you'll like it. Oh, really?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
I mean, there's parts you're not going to like because there's a lot of pomp and circumstance.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
Yes. There's a whole way of like the way you set up and then you like push your wall out. And then the way you deal is very specific. And then you do this thing called the Charleston, which is a way of passing. Hmm. And yes. And then you have a booklet. It's a new one every year. Oh. The National Mahjong League puts out a new card every year. Oh, wow.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
And so each card has like many, many lines of variations of what you're basically trying to make on your board.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
Yeah, the winds have... Winds are a part one suit-ish of the tiles. Mine have mermaids on them.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
So anyway, I... I was really reinvigorated by it. I didn't win. We played two games and I did not win.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
Rachel grew up playing Mahjong. She's been playing for 27 years. Right.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
And so she's the one that taught me and then she taught us yesterday, which was really fun. But also what I think I want to do. I feel bad because Amy listens to this show religiously. Shout out. Hi, Amy. Amy was there last night as part of the learning group.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
Me. Oh. I did with, it was just Laura and Amy and Rachel. Oh, okay. And then I think what I'm going to do to get ahead is have another group.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
And with, with another, with Elizabeth as the teacher. So just in case there, Rachel and Elizabeth have different techniques. I want it all. Okay.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
That's my big update. Okay. This is for Dove. Great episode.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
Where do they originate? The bloomer, the Turkish dress, the American dress. Oh, this is kind of a ding, ding, ding to Mahjong.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
Multiple locations. Or simply a reformed dress are divided women's garments for the lower body. They were developed in the 19th century as a healthful and comfortable alternative to the heavy constricting dresses worn by American women. They take their name from their best known advocate, the women's rights activist, Amelia Bloomer.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
The name bloomers was derogatory and was not used by the women who wore them, who referred to their clothes as the reform costume or the American dress.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
The bloomer costume caught on among some white middle class women who sought, quote, dress reform as an integral part of the fight for women's equality in the mid 1800s.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
Ew. No, I don't know what it is. Oh, my God. Ew. That was so, I like saw it. I saw it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
Does having lots of drinks around you mean you have ADHD? No, not necessarily.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
It could be the result of many things, a busy lifestyle, forgetfulness, unrelated to ADHD, or simply a preference for having multiple options available. Okay, the gooey duck, which she brought up, they gooey duck hunt or whatever, gather. Rob, can you bring up the pick? It's a wild-looking, disgusting clam.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
Native to the coastal waters of the eastern North Pacific Ocean, from Alaska to Baja, California.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
Well, that's the clammy part, I think. That's the gooey.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
Or that one's cut. Sorry. Excuse me. That one's circumcised.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
Wait, this says the shaft can be one meter, three feet.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
It's the largest burrowing clam in the world. And as we said, one of the longest living animals of any type. Wow. Oldest has been recorded at 179 years old. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. I feel like it's not good to eat these. You could be cutting off.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
I guess that's true. But you're also, if you ate a 50-year-old geoduck, you're cutting off. Yeah, like you're really prematurely.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
Okay, Disney's music label, Disney Music Group is home to Hollywood Records.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
That was a fact. Queerbaiting. Queerbaiting is a marketing technique for fiction and entertainment in which creators hint at but do not depict same-sex, romance, or other LGBTQ plus representation. Or this says harassment, abuse, or targeted provocation of gay people.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
If you want. Do you think you are? You're not queer bait.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
Yeah, but back then, anything having to do with... Yeah, anything... Anything gay. Adjacent to gay was... Remember when Gap... Do you remember this? And maybe that was just my gen. For a while, like wearing Gap, Gap stood for gay and proud.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
Yeah. So it's like you weren't like if you wore that, people would say gay and proud.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
But that was before. Now, isn't that so funny? Just not an issue.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
Speaking of, real quick. Yeah. What I am noticing, maybe we already talked about this. If we did, I'm really sorry. But it's so funny to me watching ER. Yeah. What was so important back then and what was like top of mind fear wise?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
There are so many episodes about AIDS. Really? So many storylines.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
Che Che, this four year old boy died of AIDS. It was horrible. He was so cute.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
She hits a lot of markets. It's kind of funny. Anna was over watching our Sunday night shows before we recorded. And I said, oh, we're having Dove Cameron this week. And she was like, oh, my brother loves Dove Cameron.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
What year was that? 90s? Yeah. Yeah. 90s. 90s was a really big time for AIDS.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
So different. I mean, do kids even know about AIDS now?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
I didn't know. I just knew it was a scary thing. So part of it was no cancer AIDS. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
I mean... Yeah. And for a while, remember, there were like rumors you could just get it from drinking out of someone's glass.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
It was so bad. I know. And then this huge stigma, I mean, definitely did not help with gay stigma.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
Yeah. Big AIDS, you know. I don't think he'd mind me saying it. I know I told you, but I think. So on one of the episodes, there was a young man who had hiccups.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
Yeah. He had hiccups and then it was really fine. It was nonchalant. It was nothing. It was silly. He was getting married to his fiance. She was there, too.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
And then they just do a scan just to it's fine. But we're going to do a scan. And then there was some. Like some lung thing or liver, something that meant he had AIDS. Oh. And Jess has this hiccup issue.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
And so I saw this and I really was like. Did you call him immediately? Yes. Well, it was at night and I thought I need to sleep on it because I think this is going to be a hard conversation. But I also think.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
I'm like, what if I was meant to watch ER to save Jess? Right, right, right. And so the next day I did call him. I don't normally call him on the phone. Yeah. And.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
Yeah. Well, and he should be. I said, hey, you know, it's not a big deal, but I just I was watching this episode of ER and this happened. It was AIDS. And he just like was quiet. And he said, I get tested. I said, OK, well, just make sure you're continuing to get tested. Right.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
I don't either, but I'm not the recipient, so I can't say.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
I know. But it's like, maybe you shouldn't. Maybe you lost that right when you got married.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Dove Cameron
Me too. I hope everyone listens. And if you listen, pass it on.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
When you would have sexual partners, did you feel like, sorry, this is so personal, but what did you feel after the fact? Were you like, I didn't like that. I don't like sex anymore or I'm ruined or I'm fraudulent. What were the feelings?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
I was just in the house and our friend Anna, she had borrowed a sweater from me. It's blue and it's from Quince. It's gorgeous and it fits so well. And when she was wearing it, I was like, I want it back.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
But also anger is helpful. If you take away anger, you have to make room for compassion. And that is very hard to do. It's much more gray.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
Yeah, I mean, you've come up multiple times on this show from people you've helped. We had Prince Harry on. You opened your doors to him.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
You are someone who extends yourself. And you said your mom did it, too. So I assume there's also a deep knowing because she did that as well.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
I know, but that's come to bite you a little bit. Cause you don't like calling anyone for help and everyone needs to call someone for help every now and then.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
She might have believed this, whether she knew or didn't know. You can start believing a story. I think we talked about that with Carrie. In some ways, I think everyone just believed it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
Oh, do you think this is blue? No. Yeah, what do you think it is? Oh, no, it's purple for sure.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
Yeah, we just had Morgan Freeman on and he did not want it. He did not like the air either.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
I would imagine you don't want to be a giant because you're already tall. It's surprising you still have it because you're tall.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
The Queen Bee is tricky because it does sound like you're talking about Beyonce.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
I sure hope there weren't any mistakes in that episode, but we'll find out when my mom, Mrs. Monica, comes in and tells us what was wrong. Hi, Monty. Happy birthday.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
Oh, because you've been very... Okay, first of all, we're not together. You're in Mexico City.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
Oh, I'm so happy to hear it. I was very scared for all of you guys. And we came up with a plan B in case I figured there's no way.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
Yeah, I thought, you know, we were on it. Rob and I were on a text and we're trying to figure out, I guess we'll just come on and say Happy New Year and tell people you're sick and you'll be back.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
Yeah. So then I thought maybe I would do 50 facts about Dax.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
I know I can do it. But so maybe I'll save that for another day.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
Oh, no. No. Apart from health, how are you feeling about your second half of a century that I'm entering?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
OK, I went home for Christmas to Duluth, Georgia. You know, that's also a weird thing. This was sort of the first trip. I didn't refer to it as going home.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
I mean, home is where the heart is. But also, I think like I just we've talked about this before, but every time I land here in L.A., Yeah, I I'm home here.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
Yeah, I'm a cookie boy and an L.A. boy. And I visit my parents in Georgia. Huh.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
God. Yeah. Now I feel sacrilegious. Like it's not it's still a huge part of me. But I guess I'm sort of coming up, not coming up, I guess, because let's see what this year, this year I will have been here 15 years.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
Not half my life. But I was in Georgia for two. Twenty two years. So, I mean, I'm about like in a in seven years, I'm going to have reached the same point.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
So you you have lived in California longer than you've lived in Michigan. Isn't that weird?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
And it was lovely. You know, I'm always trying to figure out the right amount of days.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
Where I am enjoying myself. It's relaxing. I'm getting time in with the family, with friends. But I don't overstay into the point where I become cranky, cranky, cranky. And I did pretty good. I think it was like I think it was like a day and a half. Of quankiness.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
No, the first days are great. Like, that's the thing. And then I and I feel so good and everyone's so happy. And it it feels like, oh, I could I could like live here again, probably.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
in this house and then five days is i'm starting to turn i'm starting to call it my parents house you know things things are changing um yeah because so i my mom got me this necklace from my gift guide um it's a shark oh you probably can't well that worked out absolutely perfectly because i bought you the same necklace and it got lost yes and so you got me a different one
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
Yeah, I would have to return one. And then that would be a really crisis of conscience.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
I know, but I send her links. So it's not like... She came up with it, although in some ways you just got it off the gate.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
Yeah, that's true. But anyway, I got the shark. I love it. And I was wearing it. And my mom said she was like, oh, it looks so nice. Why did you pick? Why did you pick a shark? And I said, oh, because I'm a shark. I'm a shark when it comes down to it. And I said in business. And she said with your parents, too, sometimes.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
I also have sort of different buckets, but I also have very tangible ones. I think tangible ones are the ones that are best, like they're the highest level of succeeding. Yeah. Like Max's resolution is to learn how to do a split.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
We said that was a great resolution. And he was surprisingly kind, like sort of flexible.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
And he's a little taller than you. Well, I don't know. Not on your birthday. Today is not. Today is not.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
That's a great one. That also feels it just feels really nice and luxurious.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
It's such a good encapsulation of you in general. You're like, I'm this masculine Midwestern guy and I'm leathery. But really, you're not you.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
yeah just own it yeah i have a skin one too um it's to restore the skin barrier on my legs and that means to lotion every day oh okay skin barrier is what it is technically because my the skin barrier on my leg legs are a bit rough um
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
Again, it's just like the first five days, it feels so freeing. It's like, oh, I don't have to think about that. And then start feeling itchy and you need it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
Well, that's very nice. I mean, it's been a journey. When I was looking, I looked through all my pictures from 2024 to do a post. And I can say, like, the beginning of the year...
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
was bad really bad really really really bad skin okay i guess i'll shout this out i have so people know about my witch but i have an i feel i feel guilty but i gotta be honest i have a new person and she's not a witch she's a real woman um right and no powers she doesn't have powers she has skill
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
I know, but you don't have adult acne. I hate that phrase.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
I'm going to have I'm going to be dealing. I'm going to have that. But no. So you don't have you have different issues. I don't. I think she is really amazing. Corrective skin care is very, very amazing at clearing acne. And then also making like she does light peels and stuff. Anyway, she she has changed my face for sure and helped it so much.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
And I have a routine and I use a couple of her products and I also ice my face morning and night. That's a pro tip.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
No, no. Because you know why? She lives in Orange County and now she only is there one day a week, even in Santa Monica. So it's getting it's like.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
We really got something. Although I, I, you know, a resolution I had once was to be more positive. And I think I've done that. And I look at going to Santa Monica as an adventure. It's like going on vacation, but like a bad, like kind of a bad one, like the one you're on.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
Yeah. So but I plan it well where I plan a dinner with our only friend who lives on the west side. Sometimes she can't do it, which is rude. Then on my own, I'll go to dinner if that's the case or I'll go work somewhere. I will say that when I had my Tonka, that was that was me. I don't want to give too much details, but I was in Santa Monica.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
That's a real metaphor. Also, like keep the wasps away.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
Ooh, exciting. Okay, so I have to restore the skin barrier on my legs with lotion. I realize I do have a kind of tick. Like I pick at my legs a lot.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
And so they're kind of really messed up. So I got to restore that. And then I want to, I've journaled two days now. Oh, you have? Yes. Okay. It wasn't even a resolution. I didn't write it down, but I found a notebook and I've done it for two days.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
Oh, I like that. I'm impressed that you knowing you are. Um, that you aren't paranoid about your journals. Like I am. So I want to lock on it. It doesn't have one. It's like a nice journal, but I'm afraid somebody is going to open it and start reading it. I live by myself.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
So the risk is low, but I am like, I'm kind of consumed by that. I thought, should I rip the, should I write it and then destroy it?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
You know, you're really only comfortable with them doing it after you die, though. Right.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
That's true. You don't have any deepest, darkest secrets that you don't want anyone to ever know. I do.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
I'm OK. My new plan is the next morning I'm going to rip the old page out and light it on fire.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
I'm burning it. Because I think for me, the purpose of the journal is potentially different than yours. One is just to get back in the habit of writing.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
And two, it's to release. It's not to document. It's more emotion. It's more about feelings than what is happening. Right. So I think I'm kind of okay with burning it because it's just like I'm giving that up to the universe. I'm releasing that. I don't want to reread it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
Yeah, I probably I'm probably just going to burn it. But I I think it's good. I actually I think it's more like making the bed, which I don't do. But now I kind of see the value. It's it's you've in the morning you've accomplished something. You did something. You wrote some stuff down.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
And, like, if that's a goal to write some stuff down every day, then you've already done something positive for yourself. And you can, like, whatever happens the rest of the day, one thing. You accomplished one thing.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
Oh, no. I think that should be a. No, I think that should be a resolution for you that you make her side of the bed, too, as a generous act.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
Oh, my God. Oh, my God. The only the only time I make my bed is if I am leaving for out of town. I make it and that I only started doing that because Callie once told me we were in high school. We were young and I think we were going somewhere and she made her bed. And she was like, yeah, I like to if I'm going on vacation, I have to clean my room and make my bed and everything in case I die.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
But yeah, in case she dies and then people like, you know, are coming in there. She it's like it's a clean slate.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
It's more for, like, what will happen for the people. Like, they'll come in her room. It needs to be in order for them.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
Oh, I love that. Well, I'm proud of her, but also I'm. proud and shocked and impressed and shocked that you are comfortable with In that environment, letting someone exactly letting someone steer you above earth, really. And yeah, so that's good.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
Yeah, you would have. Wow. Okay, great. Well, that sounds wonderful. I'm glad you guys got to do that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
Yeah, she's pretty perfect. Okay, I have a couple facts.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
I do too. I mean, he's just like the walking representation of glass half full. Like he turned, he really turned his some very traumatic events into something he could, you know, be proud of.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
Yeah, me too. Me too. Yeah. He's really special. When I was home, I drove past his studios. Well, the exit studios. Yeah. Oh, I'm sorry. Oh, my God. I did it. I said I'm home.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
All right. OK, now he mentioned the arousal template. He said that set from around three to seven ages, three to seven. Yeah. So there's a belief that each of us has a sexual arousal template, a map in the brain of what we find sexually appealing.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
Although researchers do not fully understand how or why the various things to which we're attracted appear in our arousal template, it is clear that by the time we are four to six, our arousal template is largely in place, even though we are not yet sexual. It is also clear that as we age, elements can be added to our sexual arousal template, but not eliminated.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
Yeah. But it makes sense. It's like why one person is interested in one thing and others are not.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
Yeah, it does. I don't know if. You're biologically like drawn so much as what you're exposed to kind of becomes your default. We're all trying to be as safe and happy as we can be. So whatever is giving us individually that feeling we're going to chase. And yeah, that's not the same thing for everyone. Right.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
OK. Cities where black people are thriving because we were talking about Atlanta, my home. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
According to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, the top 10 are Washington, D.C., Austin, Texas...
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
Yeah, this is in order. This is ranked. Number one is D.C. More than Atlanta? Should I go 10 to 1? Wow, too late now. Damn it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
D.C., Austin, number two. Number three, Provo, Utah. Shocker. Number three is Poughkeepsie, New York.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
No, sorry. Three and they're tied. They're tied. Okay. Provo and Poughkeepsie are tied for three and four. Atlanta is five.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
Oh, no way. Yeah. Oh, cool. Seven is San Antonio, Texas. Eight is Raleigh, North Carolina. Nine is Baltimore, Maryland. And 10 is Ogden, Utah. Utah has two.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
Well, hold on. This is broken down into median household income among black residents. Percentage of black households that make one hundred thousand dollars or more a year. Percent of black residents with a bachelor's degree or higher. Homeownership rate among black residents. Unemployment rate among black residents. So that's the factor. Yeah, it doesn't give population.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
Well, it also this this Atlanta Journal Constitution is really a newspaper because there's also this really cool map. I'm I'm impressed and I'm proud of my home. OK, now what's the Chitlin Circuit rebrand name? You were like it's rebranded to something. And you're right. Urban Theater Circuit.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
Yeah. Well, sure. We'll agree with whatever he will do, whatever he wants.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
We've talked about this with Bobby Lee. So go back in the archives and you, Dax, you go back in the archives and listen to that episode.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
Yeah. Well, actually, I think I actually cut a lot of the crisscross applesauce talk out, which I'll probably have to do again right now. No, I won't. I understand the conundrum because I agree with you. There's nothing inherently negative about sitting that way.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
Yeah. I guess it's just a way to make a group that already feels different even feel more different.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
Oh. Well, also because I actually do think if you were really meditating correctly, I'm not sure if that's how you sit. I think you're supposed to sit like not crossed like that necessarily. Like your legs are doing something crosswise.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
Sure. I mean, I think there are overcorrections all over the place. For me, it's just one. Why would you do anything that might make someone feel a little bit awkward or like they are standing out in a way they don't really want to when there's another option?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
And they might also not like I don't. Well, look, I don't now, but I bet I bet when I was like seven and we were in class and the teacher said, everyone sit down Indian style. I'm sure I wasn't like, oh, that's really rude and doesn't they don't understand.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
That's the actual thing underneath feeling. Yeah, that's the feeling is, oh, they're talking about my thing that I somehow have to own. But I don't even know what this is either. Yeah. So, yeah, now House of Pain episodes. So there was 254, but then they revamped it in 2020. And now there's 362 episodes, which is just wild.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
I know we're so lucky and we're so appreciative to all the armchairs who've stuck with us and are going to continue to stick with us this year. We hope we're going to bring a lot of fun to the table this year. We didn't tell people, which I regret, but we did a bingo. We have another day of bingo. It's tomorrow, but by this time it'll pass.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
But we did a fun game on Instagram that was a scavenger hunt bingo. And we're going to do more fun things like that this year and more like community building.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
of three like a bingo card basically like hold on i'll pull one up yeah there's a three by three bingo card and you've got to make a row but it's like for experts which guests did dax appoint himself as part of the guest personal security team so you like have the answer and the time stamp oh so you would go back to bill gates and figure out when that was said exactly
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
Yes. She designed it. Her name is Sophia. She is interning for us. And she was a prodigy. She is. She was recommended to us by Adam Grant. And she's at Wharton. And we don't really deserve her, but we're going to take her.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
Here we are. And I've put her on some fun tasks and I think we're going to have a lot of fun this year.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
Really? Very, very special. I had an inkling before it would have that extra sparkle on it. And it did.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Tyler Perry
How did you handle it before you went to therapy? Like, what were you telling yourself?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
You can also just say it, but sometimes you can't. Sometimes you can't.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
At 24, I lost my narrative, or rather it was stolen from me. And the Monica Lewinsky that my friends and family knew was usurped by false narratives, callous jokes, and politics. I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
So I think listeners can expect me to be chatting with folks, both recognizable and unrecognizable names about the way that people have navigated roads to triumph. My hope is that people will finish an episode of Reclaiming and feel like they filled their tank up. They connected with the people that I'm talking to and leave with maybe some nuggets that help them feel a little more hopeful.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
Follow Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to Reclaiming early and ad-free right now by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
It's just like take care of yourself and get through it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
Sounds like they're carrying so much duality there. Like even the fact that there's this mafia thing and it's all regimented, but then an art professor comes in and everyone has to stand up. Like that's already blowing my mind that they revere it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
It gives you a lot of empathy. As you said, when you hear about these stories of people, it's so easy to say like, yeah, they're just bad.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
I'll be honest, because that's what we do here. When I first saw him, I was like, oh, I don't know who that is. And then as soon as I saw his face, I was like, oh, I do. He's in everything.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
I know we're in career mode, but I do have a question because based on this whole interview. I wonder what your opinion is on this. Have you seen Adolescence yet?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
It's fantastic. It is exploring the plight of young boys and violence and insult culture and how all this happens. I was like, how do we fix this? And I don't know that you have the answer, but you've experienced a lot of this stuff. And I wonder, do you have an opinion on that?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
You're late for the listener. 23 minutes. Yeah, I would say more than just late.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
Actually, I was five minutes late and I was stressed. And then I'm running in stressed. And then you're not here.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
We had a merch call, Easter egg. And then after that, I only had 30 minutes to take my shower and put on my makeup and get here. Okay. Turns out.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
That's all right. Did you listen to the podcast I sent you yet?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
I guess Easter egg again. There's so many Easter eggs already.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
Wow, that's cool. Well, you were in New York. You were probably eating.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
It might mean that that's what your body really wants to be at. And you're kind of always like, A little under what your body wants.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
I think I feel like that a little bit. Like, if I just don't... Hold the reins? Yeah. If I'm not, like, actively, like, thinking about sort of what I'm eating and doing my farmer's carries and my wogs and all this.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
Then... I think my body at this stage in life wants to be at a certain number. And I'm like active at keeping it a little bit under that. Yes, yes. But I think that's what it really naturally just wants. Should I just give it what it wants?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
No, but that sounds like something they do at a Michelin restaurant.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
This is a ding, ding, ding to a story I've been wanting to tell for a minute. David Chang.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
Okay. Because when I went to Napa with Callie, we got to the airport, Burbank Airport. Dream of all dreams if you live in L.A. to fly out of the Burbank Airport.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
I know. It's a blessing. You're in and out so fast, especially because I carried on. Can you imagine? I can't. Oh, and anyway, it was so exciting. We get to the airport. We get to the vestibule. What's it called?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
Anyway, we got to the terminal. Vestibule. Terminal sounds deathy.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
Okay, we get there and Callie's like, oh, I think that's that fancy chef. And I was like, oh, it's David Chang. Now we've interviewed David Chang.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
Additionally, we've also like been in Spotify events with him. Like we've seen him over time. It's not, but I knew I was like, He is not going to know me out of context. So I'm going to like not say anything.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
Yeah. But I, you know, it's kind of like, well, but I really don't want to get near him because I don't want this to be an awkward or like if he's like, oh, I kind of do recognize her. But.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
And then, you know, we got called up. So we went. But so something happened and we got sent up there, but it was the wrong gate. So everyone was like in line and it was the wrong thing. And Callie and I were first. So the woman told us it was wrong. And so then I was like, oh, and I like look over behind to kind of tell everyone. And it's and he's there.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
So then I felt I had to at that point kind of say, so I was like, hey. Oh.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
It's so uncomfortable. And he was like, hey. And I could tell, again, I knew. I was like, I knew this was going to happen. He's going to kind of know he should know. That I'm not like a stranger who's saying hey.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
But, and he was like, hey. How are you? And I was like, oh, I'm good. And then I just left. Or no, I said, how are you? He said, good. And then I just left. Or Callie was like, let's go. You know, she got me out of there.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
She whisked me away. She had to step in. But like, I know, I don't know what happened. Clearly, I should have just been like, Monica from Armchair Expert. I know. It's just so easy to do that. But it felt... It's impossible. And I was so befuddled at the vestibule. And then we just stood on the side like idiots.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
And then we get to the airport going home. And I was and she said, what if David Chang is here? I was like, he no, he probably already. I'm sure he came here for like one hour. Yeah, exactly. And then left. It's fine. And then we're sitting at the terminal gate and she's like, he's here. She's so excited.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
Oh, no. So again, again, avoiding. And I managed to avoid this time completely until. So Callie's sitting at the window. I'm sitting at the aisle. All of a sudden, she just looks at me with this face. And I look over and guess who's sitting.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
Ignore the whole time. Oh. I had to ignore him the entire. And he was like. Kind of having an issue with the bag. Well, he was holding a thing we think is bread.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
But I didn't. I just, I just like looked like to the right the whole flight.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
It was so upsetting. And then she was like, do you want to switch seats? I was like, well, no, that's really weird.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
Well, I don't know what it was. I don't know what it was in there.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
But I did want to know. And I guess we made a plan that if for some reason there was another interaction. A third flight? If there was another interaction that I had, I could ask, oh, what you got in there? That was my line.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
Is it Brad? Where'd you get it? We can't talk to him again.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
None of us can eat at any of these restaurants or do any of this.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
Guys, stop it. Why do all of you have this deep relationship with him and he doesn't even recognize me at the airport?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
Even after I decided, God, it would have just been so easy for me to say Monica from Armchair Expert. I didn't, I had the opportunity. I didn't do it again.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
We've seen him multiple times. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Obviously not as many times as the two of you have seen him.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
I wasn't with you. It was awful. And I really want to know what the bread was.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
Yeah, you were talking his ear off. Well, I guess we have strengths and weaknesses. You talk a lot and I don't talk at all.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
That is like a love interest. And what happens is you're talking to the kids at the restaurant and you're chit chatting. And then you just see like out in the distance, there's Boyd. And he's standing there and he does a little wave. And then you get up and you beeline and then you make out. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
That goes to show, you know, we both were thinking. I said hi, though. I said hi. And then he said hi.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
How dare you? How dare you twist this into that? It was, I recognized him, I said hi.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
This is great. This is great. We were both. Hold on. I got to take a picture of that and send it to Cal.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
I can't believe you can text him like that. I can't even talk to him in real life.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
Speaking of New York City, when I didn't go to New York, this was really the opposite of Sim and the opposite of a MeCute.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
So I was supposed to go. As we know, I didn't go because of Buddhism. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
I don't know if I should say. I won't say who. There's a person in this industry, not the podcasting industry, the entertainment industry, who I love. It's not Ben and Matt. This isn't, I think, potentially an available person. Oh, wow. Very, extremely attractive. Oh. I love him.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
Jon Hamm was hosting. So I was supposed to go to SNL with my friend Sally. And I didn't go, obviously, because I didn't go to New York. And she texted me the next day. She said, I met your boyfriend last night. And I was like, oh, Ben or Matt? And I was still upset about that, obviously. And she said, no, this person.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
And he was backstage with her, like with where I would have been.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
Yeah. And and at the after party. And she talked about the after party because she said he's like he looked kind of alone.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
No, that's what made it hard. I don't know. I don't know what happened. I think it would have been great.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
We could maybe have this person on. There's a project.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
There's a project coming up that I think we could potentially have this person on this show. Now, we will not say who it is when it happens.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
Anyway, so I missed a huge meet cute opportunity. Yeah. And it like kind of like I think about it every other day while I'm mastering it. No, no, no.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
It's the opposite. I'm having a lot of opposites of you and Boyd. It's really unfortunate. Really unfortunate. Anywho.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
Oh, you know how I haven't been able to finish a book?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
Yeah, all fours is the last book I finished. And I've been reading Intermezzo, ding, ding, ding, hats, hat riddle that we'll do later. I've been reading that since December and I have like a hundred pages left and I just can't do it. Like I can't do it. I stare at it on the nightstand and it has like, it has like- It's haunting you? Squiggles coming out of it, like brown squiggles.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
So, you know, I have this block about reading. And then my friend Maddie, who's in town, she recommended a book. So I went to Skylight and I bought it. And then on the way out, there was another book there. Mm-hmm. that I grabbed last minute because it looked fun. I judged a book by its cover.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
And I have high hopes that I'm going to finish it this week.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
I think you would like it. Although it's fiction, you don't read too much fiction.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
Yeah, and let me tell you- Oh, on the Pulitzer? Finalist.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
The word atavism, coined by a botanist and popularized by a criminologist, refers to the resurfacing of a primitive evolutionary trait or urge in a modern being.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
And it's all these short stories, but they're all connect. All the people are connected. Oh. And it's such a funny and interesting exploration of human behavior. Oh.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
Yeah. I mean, no. Some. Some naughty, some fringe, some horrifying, some beautiful. The gambit.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
Strategic move often involving some kind of sacrifice intended to gain a future advantage.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
Chess, politics, business, and even social interactions.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
Oh, my God. Anyway, that was you don't think I've been beat down enough today. But it's all right. It's still it's the truth. I don't know words.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
All right. Well, okay. Some facts. This is for Jon Bernthal.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
Quaker values. Quaker values, often summarized by the acronym SPICES, are centered around simplicity, peace, integrity, community, equality, service, and stewardship. These principles guide Quakers' lives and their interactions with the world, emphasizing direct spiritual experience, inclusivity, and a commitment to social justice.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
Community. Equality. Service. And stewardship. Something's happening when I'm saying S's recently. Are you hearing it?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
I'm getting kind of anxious that I'm having like- You have a lisp? Like something is going on. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
Simplicity, peace, integrity, community, equality, service, and stewardship.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
I think my worst spices are service. Okay. And maybe stewardship. Like you said stewardship's kind of like, what is it again? I don't really get it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
But if we're talking about, if we're getting more abstract about it, yes, I think I am a good steward of like people.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
But I don't think of objects. But so, okay, maybe I won't pick that. Maybe simplicity for me too.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
No, there are times, especially since I've become Buddhist, that I've like... I had thoughts of like, yeah, what is all this? What is all this? Like we're just, there's so much noise and distraction and it could just be simple.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
That makes sense. Yeah. You're just not going to be a Quaker.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
Yes. Oh, my God. I've been meaning to bring it up to you. Oh, my God.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
And it's, you know, kind of a crazy person, but his theories aren't that crazy. I mean, it's...
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
The girls. So it's two girls and him in the whole movie.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
Yeah. They were great, too. I highly recommend that movie. Yeah, me too. Okay. The cast of The Class is Andrea Anders. John. Lizzie Kaplan.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
Friend of the pod. Jesse Tyler Ferguson. Friend of the pod. Friend of the pod. Heather Golden Hirsch. We haven't met her yet. Sean McGuire. Not quite yet. Jason Ritter. Friend of the pod.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
Those are, first live show, those are the regulars that I see. Well, Lucy punches in 13 episodes, but it looks like the rest are 19.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
The current rubles to American dollars, one Russian ruble equals .012 U.S. dollar. 100 U.S. dollars is 8,403.38 rubles. Yeah, so 84 rubles per buck. Okay, the price of Bitcoin today is... Oh, this is a random Bitcoin update. Okay. 94,180.77, down 123. Yeah, but that's up.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
Well, no, because today it's down negative 123.02. Oh, okay, just today.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
It really is. Yeah, and the stock market. Good thing we're tracking it. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
it's very wild right too a lot of wildness out there it there is i just wanted to shout out his wife who works in a er trauma center oh yeah that's so cool it's so cool it's very er it's very the pit uh-huh and i i think that's admirable very admirable and she's probably living simplicity peace integrity community equality service and stewardship all the spices probably And that's it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
It's probably so good for a 13-year-old boy to have a little 3-year-old girl around.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
Once you hear this interview and you hear his acting background, you're going to want to see that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Jon Bernthal
Oh, my God. What a story. His story felt like a movie.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
adorable threesome of friends but you did open casting for that our friend anna who works with kristin she brings it up all the time we need to do open casting like mindy she's the only one so i really push back on the diversity thing because you're the only one putting out a real huge net and saying hey we're doing this it's not just the people in this city who's out there
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
Well, when you change up your whole life to start a new one for your children, stakes are really high. You want them to be safe. And then they're like, I'm going to go to L.A. and we'll see what happens.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
That's what people forget. It's not that they're not coming here. They can't come here. You come here because you're providing a service.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
Yeah. February of last year, I guess it was a year ago. There's Bob Dylan's there for sure.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
Oh, one thing to add, maybe to take some guilt off and also just to tell people that's earned being able to reach back out and help other people or think about diversity. That's earned over time. You don't really get to do that right off the gate. As you said, you're kind of like, I got to prove myself for me first in order to get to that next step.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
That's what we were saying. Sitting on the West side, being accepted by the group that you're always trying to get accepted by as a young person to reach that, even though, yes, it's fucked up, but it is real.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
At 24, I lost my narrative, or rather it was stolen from me. And the Monica Lewinsky that my friends and family knew was usurped by false narratives, callous jokes, and politics. I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
So I think listeners can expect me to be chatting with folks, both recognizable and unrecognizable names, about the way that people have navigated roads to triumph. My hope is that people will finish an episode of Reclaiming and feel like they filled their tank up. They connected with the people that I'm talking to and leave with maybe some nuggets that help them feel a little more hopeful.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
Follow Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to Reclaiming early and ad-free right now by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
Yeah, you got it. You got to hook him. Back to Hogwarts and seeing pornographic images. Was it all encompassing when you were home? Were you like, oh, I want these boys to like me.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
famously I know and listen to the episode oh the Matt Damon episode which was such good listening what a moment this is number two to that or I'll take it it can't be tied it's not tied but really before I was like I'm nervous I'm never nervous that's right the only other time was him because we had a little it's probably gone it's in the bathroom maybe no no I went to the bathroom there's a photo of you I'm so happy you used the restroom yeah okay good job
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
Well, it's like a rookie mistake. When you first move here, you're like, I got to be by the beach. So you move there and then it takes you four hours to get anywhere. I lived on the Westside at first. You did? Where'd you live? Barrington in Santa Monica. You know, that really cool hip part of town that's in the middle of nothing.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
Oh, I also posted a picture and said, this is the face of someone trying to play it cool. So a lot of people had their guesses.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
kind of want to say yes there was a part of me that wanted to say yeah there's a real reason that i haven't and there's a reason nobody wants to have sex with me it's because i'm waiting for marriage but no i was just like no it's just hasn't happened but then it becomes a thing as monica explained to me where it's like now you pass some point where you're like oh my god people are gonna think this is weird about me were you starting to have any of those fears
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
Monica, I mean this seriously. Can you be Indian and live on the West Side effectively? Oh, my God. I love this question right out the gate. Let's get into it. It's very white. White.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
It was like a ticking clock at one point. I was like, it really is time. I wasn't like, I don't care who. Doesn't have to be the love of your life. That was similar to how I felt. I didn't need that, but I didn't want to have a random hookup. And then I was never in a relationship. So I was like, how am I going to do it?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
White, as we would say. It's funny because I grew up in Georgia. Okay, so you might be used to the West Side Vibe. I am used to feeling like I'm the only person who's brown, but it almost gives me like, I mean, we're going to definitely get so into this type of conversation. Get right into it. I get a sort of high out of being one of the white people. Do you feel more special? A little bit.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
Well, first, I mean, I... You are my number one get on this show. I'm serious.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
You know, he's annoyingly perfect. He's like the guy that is in school and you're like, oh, I bet he's like this and I bet he's like this and there's no way it's true, but then he is.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
I know. And he's pretty easy on the eyes. Yeah, he is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. It kind of feels like this is not a love letter to your dad, but it is sort of. You're made a show about basketball. And then Mindy Project was sort of for your mom. Yeah. You were an OB in that. Is that intentional?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
Well, we did go to France and stay at Bradley's house for a night.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
Exactly. UCB was like that for a long time, too, where you had to sort of choose your camp. You had to be a boy, basically, and funny or a hot girl.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
Well, it's hard to see yourself on film, regardless of what you look like. I mean, even Kristen, she's like, ugh, I don't like that. She's perfect looking. And so... For her to say that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
She doesn't do that way about her. Surprisingly. You'd be shocked, actually. Because that wasn't the response. You were supposed to be like, I know it's absurd. Her hands are beautiful baby's hands. I spent a lot of time zooming in on her hands when I worked for her. And I was like, we got to Photoshop this.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
And also, if that's the one thing, you got to take it. But do you still fantasize about men in the way that you did when you were looking at the boys?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
Yeah, age is a factor. But also I think fantasy is a factor because I fantasized so much growing up that it can replace doing the real thing for me.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
But I agree that they can't. replace friendships or that's the thing they talk about in therapy. Like my mom only has me. I'm her friend, but she's my mom.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
Also Dunsmore, great place. Haven't been, but was proud of the reference.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
I love fashion. Love rom-coms. Love it all. And then another thing in common that I obviously want to talk to you about is the kids, because I have frozen my eggs. Good for you. I did it on air.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
Yeah, we did a show. It did not go great for me. I got two mature eggs the first time and then I did it again and I got seven. So I have nine, which isn't amazing, but it is what it is. And when the fires happened, I was like, are my eggs gone? Because they were in Pasadena. And then I thought, how would I feel if... If they were gone, I'm not a person that knows I'm definitely having kids.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
Were you like, I'm definitely going to be a mom in this life?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
Has a hairy chest, but not too hairy. Not a perfect face. You don't want cookie cutter. It does have some character to it. Yeah, chip tooth.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
Because we just talk about real stuff. So the headlines become mute and then you just get to know a real person. And you're always going to find something you like about a person. I think there's some exceptions.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
Yeah, exactly. But I think it's really incredible. The idea of doing it by myself really scares me. So I love seeing it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
No, but he lives in West Hollywood. You wrote the sweetest little post about him. Maybe it was for Father's Day where he comes and takes care of the kids or, you know, spins in the chair with them.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
You don't need your kids who are being assholes to in 30 years call you and be like, remember when I did that? I'm sorry. I don't know. I'm pretty petty. I think I would enjoy it to be like, thank you. Finally. That was really hard. I've been waiting.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
Specific children, yes. But no, I am not someone who sees a baby at a restaurant and is like, oh my God, my ovaries are exploding. I've never had that. And neither did I.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
Well, except for Delta. Delta's the only... Their kid... And Carmelo Anthony.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
And Mindy's invitation to a dunk bar. But their kid, when I first came in, I started nannying for them. That's how I started here, is their second kid. And I babysat a lot. That's how I made money. But... That is the first kid that I thought, I understand what people are talking about, where they're just drawn. It doesn't really matter if they're mean to you. You still love them.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
That is so nice that your daughter. It's a very special relationship. I feel very grateful for it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
Yeah, it's not like a secret. I love a sexy summer pass with Kate Hudson.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
Do you know who was after her? Who? Ashley Olsen. What? I know. And then Kristen.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
I'm still waiting for that windfall of the old Indian money to appear.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
No, me too. We have to talk about this because I wonder if this is an Indian thing, maybe a little bit, because there's a big backlash in America against people with money.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
Everyone hates billionaires right now. They're like, you're not relatable if you're rich. And I thought the goal was to become one of these people. I grew up hearing be successful. That means that. Yeah, we have a different playbook, I think. I think. So I'm not on board with hating. I mean, look, I don't like everything all these billionaires are doing. Well, billionaires are a different thing.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
Yeah. You're in a jacket, which is weird because it's hot out.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
Oh, you think they're different? That's really, really piecing. You don't think a sweatshirt and a jacket are different? I think a sweatshirt and a jacket are different, but I think a hoodie... Is a jacket. Is a jacket.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
We don't know how this is ending. We do not know how this is ending.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
That got me good. I thought it was going to be a riddle about a zipper.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
Sure. I think we should. Do you want to tell people what happened to us?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
But I would call the police. I wouldn't have got out of the car.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
Rob, when you got here, did you check? Because, I mean, I'm shocked.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
Do people get barred for doing so well? They can't, right?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
It went perfect. She did such a good job. Everyone hit all their beats. Yeah. And it was great.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
Well, like there was like a sound. There was like a little bit of on Adam's bit. The sound was out at the very beginning and I was annoyed by that, of course.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
No, it went really smooth. I was very happy with it. And I think Kristen was, too.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
Well, we don't know about that. We don't know. But it was. Yeah. Remember when I was in my gala era and I was buying all those dresses and you were in search of a gala? Yeah, I needed a gala to go to to wear all these dresses. Yeah. I didn't go to any real galas, so I had some dresses.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
I was proud of myself because I do have a contact at Valentino, and I had reached out and said, hey, you know, I'm writing for Christmas for the SAG Awards, so I'll be there, and I'm going to do the carpet. Can I...
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
borrow something and she was like yes so she had sent me some stuff well no so she had sent me some stuff and i and it was all great but i i i had i did contrary action yes and i decided to wear something in my closet that i have not worn oh okay which was this dress from the gala era okay I was like, this dress has been sitting here for a long time. It needs to be worn.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
Yeah. And so I wore it, and I was very happy with it. And Jenny did my hair, and Simone did my makeup.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
The whole team. It was really fun because I did this for Kristen in 2018. So it was very deja vu. Like we're in the same room, the same auditorium, all of that stuff, which was really fun. Same people. We were looking at old pictures. There's like all these Polaroids of Simone and Jenny and Nicole and me and Kristen and Marcel. And it's just, it was really funny and weird full circle because...
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
You know, when we did it last time, we had, maybe we were about to start the show, this show, this podcast.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
Anyway, we hadn't started this or we had maybe started some recording, but we weren't a podcast yet really. And so sometimes you get those rare moments where you're in the exact same place, but your life is so different and you can really reflect on that because of the And it was it was nice to see the like my growth. But yeah, so it was it was special to have that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
And it did remind me that that was such a fun job. like being around all those people and doing that and the energy. And yeah, it was, it was nice to sort of drop back into that and also see Anna in this position that I was in and her just like killing it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
Yes, Timothy was, he ducked into our area for a minute to take a phone call. And I walked in and he was just standing right there, which was quite fun.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
No, I agree. It's honest to say I want, I mean, I think what people might be confused, I don't know. Maybe they think he's talking about fame, but he isn't.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
Yeah, we have been waiting for so long. Some people on my post, I posted a picture. that was teasing an episode and it was this one. Some people were right.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
Oh, she does. At least not in the ones that I have heard. I definitely do. I feel lucky that my parents, they're actually not that traditional. They're both from India. My dad came when he was in his 20s. But his personality just very specifically is not traditional. He's like, I don't know.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
So that was exciting. Okay. Really quick. Jordan, food poisoned. Was he food poisoned? Was he? Yes. Yeah. Well, it was Pizza Hut. He ordered pizza. He ordered pizza before game five of the 1997 NBA finals, also known as the flu game.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
But also he, maybe he got meat on it and the meat was mad cow.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
Okay, his trainer, Tim Grover, and friend, George Kohler, were with them when the pizza arrived. Grover said he had a bad feeling about the pizza. Jordan woke up at 2.30 throwing up and couldn't hold anything down.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
Rush space in. But some rumors just say he was hungover.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
The poison pizza is very, some people don't believe it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
Okay, now this I'm going to play. This is J. Mars Christopher Walken.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
Yeah, they're both from Kerala. And my mom came when she was six. She grew up in Savannah. Coming over when you're six is major. Much different. But my grandparents, very traditional. And I got kind of lucky in the personality department because my dad was just like, just do whatever. He's just relieved that I'm out here. I'm doing well and I have money. Just being candid.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
Funny, so funny. So he's married to... Yes. That's so crazy.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
Still never been to a game, and I would really like to go.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
Yeah. We still need a twin expert. Okay. Mindy made a remark about Olivia Munn investing in Uber in the first round. It was kind of a joke, but she did.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
She did. She invested in Uber at a $290 million valuation when it was still a private company. And now Uber is worth, says $157.82 billion market cap.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
Yeah, I think the joke's worth it. It's $88,195.61. It has been going steadily down since we've been reporting on this.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
Look, as you said, we're just not that powerful, though. All we're doing is reporting. We're not causing.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
My eggs are not burned by the fires. Yeah. But there were eggs from the same company or hospital that were in a different location that did have to all get transferred over.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
He's just like, oh, my God, she has enough money to live and she doesn't need us anymore for that. So they don't care. And I think he kind of gets a kick out of it. There's people at his office that are like, oh. oh, I heard Monica say this about you. We also talk about them.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
I'm fine with it. Okay. And the shots and the hormones for a year.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
And not only the cost, but like the... I don't know if I'll have as much if I had to do it again.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
Scary. And yeah, I've been thinking more about it since Mindy and I, since Mindy chatted about her experience a little bit.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
Yeah, she makes it look possible. She has three children.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
Okay, because you are constantly telling me... That your house is bigger than my house. That my house is bigger than yours, which is... Outrageous. Now I am now scared. So what is yours?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
Is there any extra, is it 43 something? Ooh, this might be like our IQs.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
More than just the studio. No, I can't, because I can't come here and get water like you did for Click.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
40? 4,345 square feet. Yeah, and that's what I saw in your plans. So we got an extra 45. Yep, you have a bigger house than we do. Okay, but you understand like... That's crazy what you're saying, right? We really can't agree on this, that the fact that you have a main house with bedrooms. Yeah. A guest house. Yeah. A garage with an office and a gym.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
Yes. And we say he invented the simulation. So all of us are a member of his sim. But we say gross, bad, bad, bad stuff. I just talked to one of my friends from home and her mom was like, Monica, I've been listening to you and I'm going to have to talk to your mom. Then I got really self-conscious. I was like, oh yeah, my friends' moms, that's who I'm bringing shame to for the most part.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
Would you rather? Would you rather? By this property or mine?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
All you have to do is look at the pictures and then you see 80 different places to sleep, live, dream, cry. There is no question. There is zero question that this estate you have here is more valuable than mine.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
You spend equal amounts of time throughout this whole property.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
But I don't own it. I don't have any. When someone comes to buy it, I don't. I can't say like, look, you have.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
I am not bummed. I am bummed by you trying to manipulate everyone into thinking I'm crazy.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
I think it is. And I haven't really fully pinpointed why. Ah. But.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
Sounds like a riddle. The beginning of a riddle or a joke.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
You love that story. That story is omitting some important points.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
That the lady who comes to clean the house, first of all, you downgraded her to cleaning the house.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
Okay, then you'd have to say a college-educated person who moved here to chase a dream. Yeah. Had an odd job at the house. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
But that, look. That's great. I know you love it. What's wrong?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
No, it's not real. I am privileged. I am highly capable.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
No, no, I know that. But the context around you here, the maid in Louisiana, you are not imagining someone who could probably at any moment go get employed or go get a higher degree and then get employed quickly and immediately.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
You are. That's on you. No, it's part of why you like the story. The story is not as good in theory if it's just someone who's like. It totally is. Can totally become a lawyer tomorrow, then goes and buys the house across the street.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
The exact same. You moved from another place. You started off at the bottom working at CPK and you have this house. What's the difference? Why is my story more interesting?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
Yeah, I see what you mean. I see what you mean. Yeah, I guess maybe it feels different to me because. It didn't that wasn't the intention, I guess.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
Like if you started at GM and become the CEO, that's probably your intention is to like maneuver your way to the top. But we I guess we invented the top in some way. So that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I love it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
Well, I guess you're in luck. Oh, and that's a ding, ding, ding, because she wanted people to write on their house how they made their money.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
Well, an art that didn't exist 11 years ago, maybe. Oh, my God, yeah. They're like, what is this thing you're doing? But also, again, not to throw so many compliments at you. Please do. I love it. You're someone I could point to like, well, I'm going out there to do this thing. There's other people. There's Mindy. There's Aziz. I think that's it. But I could maybe be in that category.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
And you're like a North Star for sure. That's really nice.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
She just she just got a star. She did on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. I saw some pictures. Gorgeous.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
Yes, we saw him live. I thought it was incredible. But also the whole audience was like 90 percent brown people. And this is my baggage. I walked in and I was like, oh, my God, there's so many Indian people here. It's just old history. It's the hurdle I have to jump before. I'm like, it's fine. But it was just weird to sit there and be like, the reception's amazing.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Mindy Kaling
I could have leaned in, but I took a big pivot the other way.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Wondery Plus subscribers can listen to Armchair Expert early and ad-free right now. Join Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts, or you can listen for free wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome, welcome, welcome to Armchair Expert. I'm Dan Shepard. I'm joined by Lily Padman. And today we have the greatest voice of all time, perhaps.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Especially flying's your hobby. You get to have that probably more than most people. Oh, fuck that. I race stuff. I'm all about flying. The ocean? No, thank you. Oh, man. The ocean will tell you in one second, guess what? I'm in charge. There's no game plan that's going to get you out of this.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Yeah, I just watched this doc about this young woman, this South African who sailed around the world. Yeah, all by herself for months. No wind for like two weeks. Sitting in the middle of the ocean, no wind.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Yeah, when that happens, I wonder if you feel like, has the world stopped? People have gone insane. Yeah. Yeah, to see the glass-like surface of the ocean, I would think, oh, motion has stopped on planet Earth. No swell. Oh, that's terrifying.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Yeah, I sailed through it one time in that Asia trip, and it was calmer, but it wasn't glass-like. That would have really freaked me out.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
I don't want that. I don't want that at all. And rot.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Right. Would you be opposed to me keeping you here as an attraction? No. Like when you came to my house, you could get a picture with Morgan Freeman, the taxidermy version. Could I have your oral permission for that if that happens? I'm going to stuff your ass.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
You're not going to do it. You can't do it. We're on to something here, though. When my wife will hear about like, so-and-so just told his family he's had cancer for two years. I'm like, yeah, that's what I'm going to do. Let me warn you now. I don't want anyone knowing I have something because I don't want to be pitied. I don't like that. Oh, I'm so sorry. I know.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
And I'm maybe projecting on you, but I think that's one of your things as well. I don't need it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Okay, so after the Air Force, you have a pretty long period. When I'm looking at your life and your career, there's obviously a lot of unique aspects to it. But one of them is, I think I underestimated this. Because in my lifetime, the most time I've been loving movies, you've certainly been a part of them. But you had a really kind of later start of stardom.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
And I'm curious, so I left Detroit, took 10 years to get an acting job. And that to me felt like 150 years. My pessimism and the weight of that for a decade was rough. I think I'd be an addict anyways, but certainly the addiction was fueled a lot by that. Like, oh, my God, is this ever going to happen? Have I chosen wrong? Am I going to end up penniless?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
How were you during that long period of working a bit here and a bit there, having some success, then having some stagnation? How was that weighing on you mentally during all that?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Ran out of rice. What a fucking different life you ended up having.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
How do you deal with the many times where it looks like, okay, it's going to happen. Finally got my foot in the door. I'm in this play. I'm on Broadway. There's a lot of those, right?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Were you feeling when you were with your acting peers, were you feeling behind the eight ball? Were you having that sense that you were getting older? How do you explain that? That's just your temperament? I guess that's what it is. And you were getting to perform. So you're like, okay, I'm performing. That's what I wanted to do.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
I know that you were a part of a troupe there, the Royals. This was the opera ring.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
performing and you know there was an actress that was doing her very first performance professionally at the world's fair as a dancer do you know who that is goldie hawn really no way yeah you guys were both there that was her first kind of paid dancing performance that was mine too yeah i thought that was interesting i was working in the what do you call it
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
hello sir hello sir i'm dax how you doing good nice to meet you thanks for coming where are you guys coming from i live here in l.a you do okay and morgan lives in alabama mississippi oh yeah yeah which one that's the question which one or mississippi both you can't have both
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Stuff went missing in New York pretty regularly, right? Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
And did all of a sudden they have $105 a week to pay you? No, they didn't. I was gone, man. Okay. I was expecting them to go, hey.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
And so that was it. It was my New York job. There's something about giving away security for the dream. There's something magic that happens. I had a job that was perfect gold cage. It's like I only worked on the weekends. I worked enough hours I could pay to be an actor. At some point I had to go like, I'm quitting that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
And I don't really have a plan, but I feel like I need to quit that before this other stuff's going to open up. Your Broadway debut is in 68 in Hello, Dolly. Pearl Bailey won a Tony for that. It was an all-black cast of Hello, Dolly. Yeah. Were you a Cab Calloway fan? Was it exciting for you? I was more excited just about being on Broadway.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Yeah. Now, again, you're in a Broadway play and people are getting nominated and winning Tonys. For me, I'm like, OK, buckle up. Here we go. Was it a rocket ship after that? I know we go to 1971, The Electric Company.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
If you like them, you like them. If you don't, you don't. Let's go. You guys out of here?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
That was the final straw. First was where you stand on your fucking business. Two was do you really live in Alabama, Mississippi? That was strike two. Two strikes.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Yeah, and if you're doing that five shifts a week, you've doubled your salary right there.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
And you didn't want to work there for 49 bucks with no tips.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Like, where did they bury the survivors? That old riddle. Yeah, I guess you could conceivably build a house right on the state line and put your bedroom dead in the middle of it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Immediately. What do you suppose it is? It's just your will, right? There's no engine to rely on. Is that the appeal? Like I'm making this happen or it's not happening? The ownership of the experience?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
And go to sleep on one side and wake up on the other side of the bed. Well, Morgan, welcome to the show. Are you doing a bunch of press right now for Linus? Yeah. And what's your overall feelings about press? You can be very honest because I have varying views myself. It's a have to. You have to do it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Imani, you're too young to remember the electric company, right? Yeah, I don't know it. It was 71 to 75 PBS kids show, but it was a really fun and funky, very 70s kids show. It was Sesame Street.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
First one of those, really. Sesame Street was way before. Oh, my God.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
It succeeded. You didn't love that, though, right? Because of the subject matter or the pace of it? Terrified that I would become Captain Kangaroo. Right, of course. And you'd just been on Broadway around town. That would have been really hard for me. I would be very nervous that it wasn't going to end well.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
That's as far as you're going to go. And it was such a different time. It was so regimented and compartmentalized. And you couldn't do a commercial. And movie people couldn't be in TV. And TV people couldn't be in soap operas. And soap opera, it just never ended. Yeah. But I did it all.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
In that period from 71 until really 87, you have 16 years of doing a part in a movie, being on a show for a minute, doing the soap for two years. OK, 87. Now, I just want to point out at this point, you're 50. Yeah, about. You do Street Smart with Christopher Reeve and Kathy Baker, and you get nominated for your first Academy Award. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
So I think you might have had this experience that a handful of people have, which is it took forever. And then there is Whiplash. Was that a kind of whiplash? Like, whoa, whoa, whoa. I've just been cobbling together rent now for all these years. Now I'm in this thing and now we're going to the Academy Awards. It feels a little abrupt. No, it doesn't. It started 20 years before.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Yeah. Well, you can have these different columns of luck in life, right?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
You can be like very unlucky in some quadrant of your life and then be pretty lucky in some quadrant. I picked that one over baseline luck level. I'd rather have some spikes.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
That's really true. That's interesting. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
That's really powerful. We don't hear that part of it. It's just get back up. But you're right. Struggling is another option. And it does elicit kindness and help.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Exclusively. OK, so then this isn't a stutter step. This is really the beginning of the very wild ride. The handful of people ride. 89 is a crazy year. Glory comes out.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
So there's many reasons why it can be uncomfortable. One of them is starting to just kind of feel fraudulent because you're repeating yourself so much. I can turn the air on for us.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
That's lucky timing. There you go. Something will come along. You and I won't call it God, but something. Yeah. It's always you. Yeah, I like your take on God. Well, do I believe in God? Well, I believe man invented God. So, yeah, I believe in me. Oh, I like that. You heard that somewhere. I know you. I've been paying attention. Why am I sitting here talking?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
I could do this whole thing if you want to take a nap. Just what a fucking year, though. Glory, obviously, five Oscar noms. Driving Miss Daisy, nine Oscar noms, including Best Actor nomination for you. Lena and me is a huge. That's a crazy year. Yeah. How do you adjust to the notion of maybe having money going forward? Because that's now on the table.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
In 1989, you're starting to probably reassess like, oh, I might actually have money now at 52 years old. You hadn't bought a house yet at 52, had you? No, I hadn't bought a house yet. Do you remember buying your first house?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Oh, you're not turning it off. I'm turning it right back off.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Okay. So it really takes off in 89. I just want to ask you about a couple of projects. One of them is Monica and I's top five movie of all time. So we got to geek out for a second on that. But I do just want to talk about 92. That feels very special to me. Unforgiven. I didn't audition for that. Clint Eastwood called. Oh, boy.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
What's that feel like? Clint Eastwood? He wants me to do a Western with him? You're kidding me. I think people can have performances. They change something permanently. Where no matter what happens, I give D'Onofrio as a great example of this in Full Metal Jackets. Like, if you do that scene one time sitting on the toilet with your gun, it cannot be taken.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
For the rest of your life, people know, well, he can do anything. That's not to say we're going to give him anything to do, but we know he can do anything. And for me, Unforgiven for you is that, well, that's done on Morgan Freeman. That guy is a legend. That's like a legendary performance. The chemistry between you two is just, that's the part of magic I like about movies. You just don't know.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
You could be best friends with somebody, have no sparkle on screen, right? And then you guys are strangers and you have this deep familiarity and understanding of who one another are and this acceptance and this nonjudgmental friendship, which is so pure and interesting. Could you feel when you were making the movie, this is a special thing, or did it feel like all the movies? Special to me.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
I practiced nonstop. I would be twirling. Oh, yeah. Putting it in the holster sideways. I was bad. Yeah, me too. No one was looking, but I thought I was a bad customer. You know, you're just practicing. You grew up and you got to play that with the ultimate guy who does that. And you got to be a bad motherfucker yourself, which is fun to play. Especially if you got beat up a lot in these schools.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Directors. It sounds like you've been hit or miss with directors.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
I guess what I'm going for here is I'm guessing you must have liked how Clint directed.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
That's how I would feel. If I knew the game plan and I understood it and agreed that that was worthwhile of an endeavor, I could play along. It's the, I'm not sure what I want. Why don't you keep doing things until you show me what I want?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
For the listener. Morgan just physically, yeah. That's the zone, right, that we hate.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
That's the truth of that moment for me. And then it'll come out again. So that can be tough.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Well, the editor's going to put you on the mat. That version, Monica, I'm almost mildly sympathetic to. It's more the entitled, well, I have you. We got it. Let's see if you can come up with something on your own I hadn't thought of that's going to be brilliant. That's just more like, I'm just going to use you now into the ground because I can't.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
I trust you, and I'm open to the Morgan magic if you want to give it to me. I reign the Morgan magic.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Do you remember the role for me? It was Days of Thunder. I was like, okay, I want her as a doctor for the rest of my life. Okay, when you saw Unforgiven, you grew up watching these movies on Saturday. I hope you had that moment where you thought like, oh, goddamn, I got in one of those.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Now, you were brought home as a baby to Memphis? From Memphis. Dad was a barber. Well, at the time, they were both nurses' aides. Uh-huh.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Shawshank 30th anniversary. Again, in the life story, the lessons you learn that just happened to you. This one's interesting. I point it out on the show all the time. Shawshank, for your average, if you ask them, was that a hit? They go, oh, it's got to be an enormous hit because every single person has seen this movie and it's fucking great. And it wasn't a box office smash.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
It underperformed or probably scared some people initially. I'll tell you what happened with Shawshank.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He has the same explanation as I have about Zathura.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
I was in this great movie Favreau directed called Zathura. It's a great movie. Not one fucking person was going to step up to the ticket counter and go, can I get a Zathura?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
They didn't want to try to say it out loud. Right. Kind of a middle-aged lady on an elevator.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Yeah, Morgan's my guy too. Morgan Freeman, Academy Award winning actor, producer, and narrator. The Shawshank Redemption 7. Our very favorite ding, ding, dingles. God. Bruce Almighty, The Bucket List, Million Dollar Baby. And new season of Lioness, The Taylor Sheridan Show. Hugely popular. Season 2 out right now on Paramount+. What a delight. Morgan Freeman.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
I want to see that. Where did you see it? I want to check that out. That's very funny. Now, did that one feel, how about this? You had just done Unforgiven. That's such a special movie. And it was received and rewarded as such. Shawshank, was it a little heartbreaking? Because, again, of your performances, that to me is still in top three. They're not really heartbreaking for me.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
They're heartbreaking for the studio. They put up all that money. But Darabond was a million takes director, too. You weren't loving that vibe. That was a kind of tense set. Sure.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
You're in a prison. I shot a movie in a prison. You underestimate what it's like to be just even shooting in a prison. After a few weeks, you're like, okay, novelty's worn off. I fucking hate it here. I want to get out of here.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Yeah. Okay. The last movie I'm going to make you talk about. We could do this all day. You're in so many great movies. It's wild. You've been nominated a bazillion times, won several times. Monica and I love Seven. We love Seven. I watch seven once a year.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
I would hate acting with that technicality. Like it wouldn't be for me. I don't have the right disposition. So I applaud everyone that does it in the spirit of it because it's worth it. But I'll tell you the magic of that is the way they all hold up. They are masterpieces of composition and pacing and timing. The work is evident. It's such a great movie. How did you enjoy making that movie?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
What was it like working with this young, gorgeous Brad Pitt, young, gorgeous Gwyneth Paltrow?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
I wonder if this is a tall guy thing, too, though. That's my Achilles is my it's rare. It's literal, but it's not because. But yeah, when you roll and I remember my dad used to roll his all the time. And he said, basically with a rolled ankle, you got to go a year without rolling it and it'll tighten back up. But until then you can roll it so easy. Yeah. But I would say what you did in that movie.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
And when I asked, did it help you understand your own powers is if I'm you as an actor, the confidence I need to commit to that performance and go, I'm never going to be showy. I'm not going to be loud and exciting. I'm going to force you to lean closer to hear what I'm saying. That takes a ton of confidence, right? Did you have any anxiety while you're doing it? Like, I hope this works.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
That tells you a lot about how hard it is. Only Laurence Olivier nailed it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I almost wonder if in a boxing way, if you're defeated by it, you want to give it another shot.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
But something you were smart. You're like, I don't have an Emmy to beat Othello. I'm going to let it be the one experience. OK, last movie, just because I'm curious how you got on. Did you have fun doing Bucket List? How did you get on with Jack Nicholson? Let me tell you, for my money, Morgan, present company excluded.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
But for my money, when you watch Departed, you go, wow, this is about everyone. That's great doing it all in one movie. I go like, who am I most going to want to look at in a two shot movie? In a wide. Nicholson is as great as, I mean, what an attractive human being. Did he deliver? Oh, wonderful. You're smiling. We're getting a nod and a smile.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Yeah. You go down to Mississippi and you live with your dad's mom there? Or does the whole family? I'm 87 years old. They were all dead. When you were a toddler.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
But was Jack in your list as well? Oh, yeah. When you were acting with him, did it fuck you up ever? Did you sometimes go like, oh, wow, I'm in a scene with Jack Nicholson. Would you get self-aware of what you were experiencing?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
This is what I want to do. Let's introduce CRS condition, which you've recently diagnosed yourself as. Because I think that's a good primer for the interview. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Well, I don't know if Jack has that gear. I don't think so.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
I like that attitude you got there. It's nice. It's generous.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Yeah. How have you done in the past with other, like, strong male? Is it easy for you to coexist? Easy.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
That's the truth. Strong males aren't doing anything but acting.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Oh, boy. Yeah. Once in a while, we lift something heavy, though. That's right. Yeah. And then we're not needed for a very long time.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
That's right. Or you got to be tall once in a blue moon. I need to be tall for somebody. I justify my existence for a couple of weeks. Can you reach that for me? Yes, I can. Okay, let's talk about Lioness. Season two is upon us. This is Taylor Sheridan. And as we said, Nicole Kidman, Michael Kelly, Zoe Saldana. And now you're playing Secretary of State.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
So you've pretty much now played almost every member of government, I think, at this point. You're getting close.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Which time was it that I was playing the president? That was the third time I played the president.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Yeah, just like that. So Taylor's got a good thing going, right?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
And he said on Kimmel that he does have CRS as a condition, which is can't remember shit.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Okay, great. And then you've got mayor of... Mayor of Kingstown. The king of Tulsa. Lioness. Jeez. It's like impossible, the amount of writing this human does in one year. So did it start with a meeting with you and Taylor? Yeah, we Zoomed. Taylor Sheridan wants to talk to you.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Is that where you shot? That's where we shot the first season. No way.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Oh, come on. I'm telling you. Oh, my God. And were you sailing down there in Mallorca? No, no, no, no. I quit sailing. I got hurt in 2008. That's one of my questions for you. There's a very weird riddle within you getting hurt in 2008. You were driving a 1997 Nissan Maxima.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
So that medical condition, we should state up front in case we get a little blurry on the background.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Yeah. Morgan, what in the fuck is going on? This is 2008 and you're driving a 97 Nissan Maxima. This is a nine-year-old Nissan Maxima.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
I'm more struck by the notion that you're driving a nine-year-old Nissan and you've won Academy Awards and you're rich. Wasn't my car. Oh, well, there is the explanation. You can understand why I was like, why is Morgan in this car? That was my main takeaway, other than you were hurt.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Oh, interesting. Yeah. So maybe you had some heart fibrillation or something. Something afib and just went and tore that car up. I mean, relatively unscathed with how bad the accident was. It was very bad, right? Rolled the car over. Yeah, I think it tumbled. Oof. And you ended up hurting your hand pretty bad. I broke my arm. The humerus? The big bone up there?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Heartbreaking. I walked away. What about bringing a fucking 16-year-old kid on board? You get him out when it's time to park.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Can't we do that? $49 a week, like you're back at the... I'm so much a solo guy.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
And does that start extending also going back months? I do wonder, can short-term get bigger, short-term memory? I don't know. Mine gets smaller and smaller. But those core memories, they seem very intact. Yeah, that's a good term to use, core. I remember my childhood as well, perfectly. Two years ago, I'm not sure what happened. And I kind of marvel at what an impact it makes.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Shit happens, as we say. Yeah. Okay, so you meet with Taylor. It goes well. Season one goes well. You're back. Was it hard for you to commit to doing TV?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Yeah, what are you watching more of? Are you watching TV or going out to the movies? You're probably like the rest of us watching TV. I'm watching TV.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
You did go back to Mississippi when you had the option. And I did wonder, is it overwhelming being famous in an area where it's more exciting to see famous people?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
For your country. Now, when you decide to work, A, the appetite is impressive. How are you deciding when and why you'll work? Do you like make decisions? I'm done. And then you make another decision. I'm back.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Yeah. It's a gift. Yeah. Well, this has been such an honor to talk to you again. Seven's our religion. We'll be watching that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
All right. Yeah. What a performance. You're such an anchor of that whole experience. You're great on Lioness, of course. Lioness is super exciting. Great cast. That's out October 27th. Season two starts on Paramount Plus. This has just been a delight. I know that promoting is a thankless and boring and never ending job. So I feel very lucky that we got so much of your time.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Oh, I don't really have one. I see people with a really pronounced Cupid's bow and I'm really envious.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
It was a dream. Yeah. Okay, let's just be very clear. It was a dream. This did not happen. In the interview.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Do you think this was a seed set by learning people have OCD about smelling? Do you think this is where this all jumped off?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Six years old. Do you remember a context at all? Do you remember World War II was ending? Is that a memorable event, or was that just the water you were swimming in? That's just water I was swimming in, good way to put it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
But really, most importantly, JG. Yeah, JG. JGs. Jagers.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
About to be turned on to a full boil once you got that bedroom door closed. That's right. Yes.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Oh, wow. You got all the way to the bedroom in your dream? Yes. Okay.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Okay. Extra heavy petting. Like too heavy, actually. Okay.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Earmuffs moment? Yeah, it's not appropriate for kids.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Oh, wow. Yep. And he's so nice. If his face betrayed him, it was really something. Because he has a lot of manners.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Okay. Hold on a second though. Is this post seeing Anna Kendrick's movie?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Because Pete Holmes turns. He's like, so nice, so nice, so nice. Turns. Well, do you want to leave? That's what he says with that look on his face.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
It was just horrible. Did he march out? Did he call you any names?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Sure. It's a very scarring dream. Traumatic. I'm having a new... It's not like this hasn't occurred to me, but right now I'm having a real moment where I'm recognizing... What I feel bad for men about is they have this constant anxiety about their erection.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
It's one of my few skills, Morgan. Really? Yeah, if you want to hit me with anything. You got any, like, tax items you want me to add up quickly?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
You talk to men and it's, I have had so many friends over the years where like the mental battle going on is like, I couldn't, we were kissing and it didn't get hard. And then in their mind, they can't get hard with this person. And now it's just this like mental battle they're dealing with nonstop.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
And the equivalent of your hardness is that the fear that it might smell. It must be really stressful in the way that an erection is stressful. And let's just say, well, how do I say this politely? People smell. Well, just the nature of the apparatus. It's going to have to smell. If it be intimate with me, it involves spreading my butt cheeks and going into my...
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
You know, I would live in deep, deep. I think it would take me out of dating altogether, to be honest.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Unless it was like every single time we were intimate, I went into the shower and I scrub, scrub, scrub my bottom hole. If that was like part of the repertoire of services I offered, I would have a lot of stress about it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
I'm not comparing that to that, but I am comparing that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Let's even say you were extra exploratory and you just even... Stuck your finger in a little bit. Yeah, got your finger in there a little bit and cleaned the next inch out.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Okay. I have no advice on the vagina. I think your butthole's fine to do that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
When I'm in the shower washing, I'm not... You stick your finger up there? I don't want to say that out loud, but I'm just... Let's just say I don't just stop at like... The packaging, the wrapping.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
You need to go about six inches up into your colon to ensure that there's nothing going to.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Okay, fecal matter. It's still not time to lift your head, your earmuffs off your child if you're in the car, let's just say.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
And I've heard like all growing up, they were pitching very hard all day long on some on daytime television. Summer's Eve. Douche. It's got a better name than that. Yeah. Hemen and wash. Hena wash. Feminine wash.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Summer's Eve. It was on all the time. It felt like this was a product that was mandatory if you were a woman in the 80s.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
I've heard that that can be not a good mix for your flora.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Oh, God. My heart goes out at the... It truly does. You're like, fuck, I put it on summer's eve. I think I can do it. I mean, how stressful.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
That's going to. I don't think. I think you need to get a friend.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Yeah. Because I think it's in your head. I'm married, so I can't offer. But and so is Rob. But maybe a close friend. You know, Jess. That would be a great starting point because he's not going to get mixed feelings after he does it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Already an acting star. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You start really, really young. Yeah. Your first role's nine years old. Eight. Eight. Yeah. And you're living with grandma or mom? Mom by now. Okay.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
And you look at him as a, well, I don't want to say brother because you don't want that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Ew. I just don't know what else to recommend. My hunch is this is in your head. And so I think you need an extra set of eyes on this, i.e. nose on this.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Listen, I was in that situation when I was younger. It would burble up. And of course I never, I never was like, I shouldn't have even done that. Just the thought of doing... Wait, let's try this, okay? I'm coming up, and I go... And I just do that really quick.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Oh, I like that when people signal something stinks, they double down. They'll pinch their nose like, ugh. And then they go, ugh. Like, if they really want you to know it smells for some reason, this isn't sufficient. And this wouldn't be sufficient. You got to go, oh, don't go by that port-a-potty. Oh, fuck. I'm really heartbroken for anyone out there that's just panicked about it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Because I'm sure... I'm sure in your mind it's something it's not. I want to say this from the outside.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
A, I've never smelt BO on you. That sounds like it seems like a good starter. And I don't have never smelt bad breath on you.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
It's like a stick. like a chemical stick and you wave it and then it impartially and objectively just says whether there's, it can detect whether there's a smell on some, on some scale.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Well, then I think we go to the, the G the G Y N. You never say GYN, OBGYN. I want to drop the OB. You don't need an obstetrician in this situation.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
So you go to the GYN. Then I think you go to the gyno and you go, I think I need help down there. What can be done? What does science really have to offer us? Would that be too? That shouldn't be too embarrassing with a gynecologist. That's got to be what they're.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
I have no business guessing this, but I just don't think you're having... This issue. I think this is all from a dream. Yeah. You've had some lovers. Have you detected any of them? No.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
No, it's your brain telling you you're scared of that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
That's just one more thing you think of that could be a disaster.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Right. I might elect to not answer it with that setup, but go ahead. But you will.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Yeah, yeah. I think the fallopians are odorless. Were you going to go as far as fallopians?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Okay, so let's start with something that's very interesting, I think, is we know people with terrible breath.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
And they have partners that don't seem to care at all. So I think there can be like, I don't think it's as objective as you smell across the board to everybody.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Because I think I see people that are in partnerships and the people smell and they don't seem to care or know. And I don't think they smell it. Because they would address it. Like if Kristen reeked like BO everywhere we went, I'd go, babe, when people hug you, their shirts smell like your armpits afterwards.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Yeah, I mean, how far down the road would you get? I don't know. Right. That's hard to say. Like you're asking me the moment we got married. Well, I'm in pretty deep at that point already. I love her and we own a home together.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
But would we have gotten to that point if she stank?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
I would love to say I'm a good enough person, but I don't think so. I know. I would way rather, I'm more sensitive to snows, to smells than am visual. I would be way better off with someone that you would think is unattractive, but smell great. Same. Yeah. That's why it's a legit fear because it's powerful. Smells are very powerful. But again, some people don't care about smells.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
I'll be somewhere and it stinks. And I'm like, is everyone? And a lot of people are like, no, I don't smell. It smells like a fucking sewer main broke. No. So I don't know. Whatever your DNA is.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
I think men are appreciative enough to be down there too, that they'll overlook.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Great distinction. That's what I was asking. Because I think a lot of people might think, oh, just smell of like sweat. And I don't know what we'd even call it is bad. No, there's smells down there that are very appealing to us.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Well, no, like you've even said this, like when you've smelled a hot guy's just slight BO.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Yeah, there's just like, there's a spectrum of it that you notice, oh, that's got a smell, but also you don't mind it. You like it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
And the association with you're about to get vagina.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
And I also think some guys are, they want it bad enough that they could definitely deal with it because they want the ultimate thing bad enough.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
But if someone has all the options in the world, like Jagers... Probably the bar goes up a little bit.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Okay. Well, in the non-spirit realm, in the non-dream world, I went motorcycle riding on Friday with Danny Rick.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
And this radical dude, Adam, who is a motocross racer, like, you know, a real... I don't know. I want you to understand.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Well, it's like me playing pickup basketball with Michael Jordan.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Yeah. Now this gets serious, I'm assuming, because at 12 years old, you win a statewide. You're like in a drama competition. You win best actor at 12 years old. Are you feeling yourself? Are you like next stop is Broadway? What does that do to a 12 year old?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Okay. So it was Adam. It was Ricardo. I think the standard age was 33. And then a couple of great blokes from Australia that Danny had in town. And you know Aussies are nuts. They're young and wild.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
and we met at rower flats in the mountains and um i was on a brand new motorcycle kx klx 300 i love it so comfy uh dual sport and i know i'm losing you and um we rode for five straight hours up and up a mountain trail down up a mountain trail and i gotta tell you i i succeeded i wasn't ever vocally complaining but i it did cross my mind When are we- Gonna be done?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Not done, just we've probably reached a point where we probably can't ride for five hours with 30 year olds. Like, oh, wow. OK, we're really here where I did it. Right. I didn't crash.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Also, you should know dirt bikes is my worst domain.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Out of all things you put gas in, it's the thing I'm the least good at. So I was working my ass off out there. And it is the there was a moment where there was this huge, huge, super duper steep hill climb. Which I will add, there were seven of us riding. Five of us didn't make it. So it wasn't me per se. I'm almost to the top.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
And now I'm in first gear and it's fishtailing and I'm losing traction. And I'm trying to keep it going to get to the top of the hill. And all of a sudden I just catch the front wheel and go over this berm. So now I'm off to the side of the mountain. And now I'm off the bike so I don't tumble. And the bike's now kind of laying sideways. And I'm still on this crazy steep hill. And I've got to now...
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Now this berm's in between the front tire and the back, so I've got to get it off of the berm, back out onto the super-duper steep trail, then let the clutch out and start walking next to it and ride it up from the side. All that to say, that was like a four-minute battle with the motorcycle as to not lose my footing, fall backwards down this hill, not drop the bike, all this stuff.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
I finally got up to the top of the hill. I got on my motorcycle. And thank God I was first. So I had a while while the rest of them tried to climb this hill. And I just leaned over my handlebars. And I think my heart rate was like, it had to be 185. What I realized is this is the highest my heart rate has been in a decade. And then we had another three hours of riding to do.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
It's like there's dirt, but then the dirt, because everyone's riding, it's kicking the dirt to the side. So it just naturally gets dish shaped. So it's dish shaped. And then so that's a berm. It's like raised like 12 inches of dirt from where the trail is. And then there's a bunch of tall grass growing on top of that. So whatever the fuck that adds to it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
It's a little baby on the side of the very steep hill.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
It was a mixed bag. Here's what it was. It was like, wow, I pulled that off, but kind of by the skin of my teeth. Yeah. Here's what the thought was. I'm going to be out here soon, and I'm not going to be able to pull it off. That was what it was. It wasn't like I'm not going to or I don't think I could next time.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
It was just like, oh, wow, we hit the limit of our endurance on something that we're just okay at.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Oh, really nice metaphor. Thank you. But Danny Rick, update on him as a human being.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
I don't feel good or bad about it. I just feel like I knew I needed to do some analysis and recognize that we're probably nearing the end of me being able to do that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
And that might be fine. Okay. Because what happens nicely that parallels it perfectly is like it gets less enjoyable because it's so hard.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
So it's not like I feel like I'll be giving something up. That's true. And again, I'm talking about I'm giving up potentially a five-hour ride in the mountains. I still could go ride for a few hours. It's not that I have to give it up. There's just a zone where it's probably going to get less enjoyable as I get older at a certain level.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
And I'm recognizing I might have crescendoed this whole thing.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Not that, not the version where we're out all day long.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
That I hated that. That was heartbreaking. But also I was very grateful. Cause if I go past my limit out there, it sucks. I have to ride really slowly back to camp and take a long time. If you meet, the end of your talents out in a sailboat, I don't know what happens then. Like if you're mid-storm and you got to fight and you no longer have the capacity, that to me sounds very deadly.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
So I was heartbroken because you can tell how much he loves sailing. I know. Sailing, ding, ding, ding. I love the Ted Turner doc. There's a lot of sailing in that. These people are different from me.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Yeah, this is an extraordinary amount of work. Yeah, that's one little mouse in her little tiny kitchen.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Double giblets. I don't like. Yeah, no one likes it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Was Eastwood, you were too similar in age, right? How old were you when you started seeing Eastwood in movies?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
OK. I don't know why you would need a double dose of the juice.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
I thought one, there was one bag of giblets per turkey. Why would there be two? Why don't they put it in one bag?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
You see all the reasons why it didn't make sense to me. There's two bags of giblets in a turkey.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Do you Google at any point? Do turkeys have two bags of giblets? No.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Give it another round of fisting. Yeah, I did. Okay.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
It is toxic shock syndrome. That's right. I didn't want to say it out loud, but yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Yeah, I was only curious if you had been a fan of his before you worked with him. Big fan. My favorite movie was The Outlawed Josie Wales. Josie Wales, yeah, yeah. Now, you were also moving a ton, right? Because you did Memphis. You did a couple places in Mississippi. You did Gary, Indiana. How were you doing when you were dropping into these new schools nonstop? Getting beat up.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
I know. You got to get those chiplets out. Why are they in there? Fuck. I need a turkey grower to explain why you need to include that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Oh, I mean, there's some good dish people make with the giblets.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
What are we doing for brown and serve biscuits? Any brown and serve rolls? No rolls.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
You're getting hung up on? I think it's my favorite. Now, I can't even eat them because they're gluten-free, but I think that was always my favorite part of Thanksgiving dinner is those brown and serve rolls.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
I think they're already maybe a bit baked, and then they're brown, and then you serve them. Oh. And you serve them hot. And then when you put the butter on, it just melts.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
You almost cut that corner. It saved the whole meal.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Kind of like my motorcycle ride. And then you have the pride of having saw it through.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
It's a funny endeavor, right? Because for seven hours, you're probably pretty miserable.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Also that someone can eat it and say, you did a good job. And you go, okay, it was worth it. I did a good job. By the way, I'm the same way. I'm not throwing stones in a glass house.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Even worse. One would be homemade, one would be catered, and then people would inevitably vocally vote who did it better. And then someone's a loser.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
No, I don't think that's a good. No situation where one of the two teams is losing when both people have been very generous.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
If everyone voted and the Shepard's Thanksgiving dinner wasn't as good as the Padman's.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Well, I think, yeah, it would be if the verdict was we liked Monica's better and we had just fed 22 people.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Great. So if we fed 22 people and then they said, hey, we liked Monica's better, I would feel like, well, then fuck you. You don't eat it next year.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Yeah. You had to declare that you liked Monica's better.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
And then I go, I can cook it better and I'm going to cook sushi. And then I want everyone to vote whether they liked Monica's sushi restaurant.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
And I said, it's not a good idea because someone loses. Someone will be voted as the worst meal. And I feel like that's a weird thank you for hosting 22 people to be declared the worst of the two meals.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Oh, I do. When I order spicy tuna crispy rice from Katsuya, I damn well think it's better than any version I'm going to make in my kitchen.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Yeah. I can understand why you would want to be told your homemade meal was better than the store-bought one. I understand that. Fully. Do you understand how I would feel if I hosted 22 people and paid for and catered a meal and then they told me it wasn't as good as this other one they had? Can you imagine how I would feel in that situation?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
I don't want anyone at the table to say, I like this better than the meal Monica bought us.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
I don't know. I think if you brought in the bolognese from Chateau Marmont, I think it would probably be split, and I would expect that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Yeah, but I think your flavor, like whatever your flavor profiles are, one might taste better.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Now, look, we'll see if next year you are able to prepare a meal for 22 people. Maybe you will. But I think at a certain point, if we were inviting 10 people, sure, make it. At the point where we're at 22 people.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
No, I'm not defensive. I'm saying I don't think we could make a Thanksgiving meal for 22 people.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
It's very hard. So because I don't think we can make enough food for 22 people, unless it's all we did this week.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Great. If it was potluck, then that's a whole different thing. But if we're making, I don't think we can make food for 22 people.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
So, yeah, I would not need to know if they thought it was worse than another meal they had.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
The sweetest point of America. So weird. One part's rascal, one part's sweetest point of America.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Yeah, three days after, four days after Thanksgiving.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
So you're a middle, middle, middle. I am the middle child. Quintessential middle.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
You don't bury survivors. But I was the one who referenced this riddle, right? Yeah, you were. So I knew this old one.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
It was harrowing, and there was another competitor that got stranded in the middle of the Indian Ocean or something. She had to turn her boat around and sail for days to go rescue this person. And then when she came into the harbor a year later or something like that, Not 10 months, a year. The second place was like some hours behind her. And that seems impossible.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Okay, six years before I was born. And... And on my brother's birthday. Wait, what month?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Okay, three days before baby David Robert Shepard Jr. arrived.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
It's very weird to think that it existed before I did because it was so in my childhood.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Electric Company, which he was on, which was much funkier.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
I'm so grateful and lucky to spend so much time with someone who's so different than me. It's so fun.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
It is. It'd be so boring if you and I were the same.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Because you're like really suspicious. What the heck's going on? This is a different answer. Now, my guess is you could ask AI and you'll always get a slightly different answer.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
You got to prove where you sit on this ladder every time you arrive. It doesn't come with you. Nope.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
No, I think if on the same day you did it, it would be a different thing.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Like, Rob, will you right now type in the same exact question into the Google AI?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Let's see if Rob reads the exact same one you have, or if it's completely different.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
It's complex themes around race, jealousy, and manipulation, which require nuanced acting and careful direction to navigate without perpetuating harmful stereotypes alongside the demanding role of Othello himself.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Well, it thinks each time. Like, each time it performs the task of scouring the internet and coming up with a thing. And so it's somewhat random.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
real correct answer but nor is yes agreed I mean this isn't a factual question but nor is there in on straight Google search which is like you might come up with one article that has an opinion on it and then there's another article that's got another reason why it's so there's no unified theory in all the results and things written about it yes but then you can look through a but you you do have a lot of options this is just like deciding yep
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Yeah, it is. But I'm just saying it's not less consistent. It's probably more consistent in a way because if you just get search results, you're going to get 10 different explanations on why FL is hard to perform through these different links. The AI version gave you guys pretty darn close to the same answer.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Yes, yes. You're just praying for someone to have some kindness and mercy. God, I hope one of these four boys has the bravery to say, we should stop kicking him now. I think we might be hurting him very badly.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Wait, we're scrubbing people from history? Is that it?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Although maybe that's what I have. Right here. I can touch it immediately now. I know exactly where the nerve is.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Don't complain about it until you get it checked out. I don't even know if I was complaining.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
That that's off the table. Yeah. I'm never allowed to complain about anything until after I've had it checked out.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
You haven't had your vagina checked out from your nightmare, but I'm willing to walk down that road with you.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Yeah. So basically, this is a this is almost an ASMR gift. You're going to get to hear Morgan Freeman, that beautiful velvety voice for the next hour and change. So please enjoy Morgan Freeman.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
I abide by that. Okay. That makes sense. Like either fix it or shut up about it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Earmark that for, I want to earmark for the next fact check.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Walking down the hill hiking from the turkey trot and Delta calling me, being one step ahead of me emotionally. calling me out and forcing me to walk through what really happened. And I was like, oh my God, we're here. She's nine. And she's now doing for me what I have been doing for her and her old child.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Okay. Top of the hill coming down. She's cold. She's complaining about being cold. She's complaining about being really hungry. And then like 40 minutes later, um, I she's saying I had now ordered macaroni and cheese, told Kristen to start making it by the time we got home. So there'd be macaroni. And then I say, like, she says, are you going to eat? What are you going to eat when we get home?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
And I go, oh, my God, anything. I'm starving. And she goes, you're starving, too. And I go, yeah. And she goes, why don't you say anything about it? And I go, well, I don't want to complain about it. And she immediately goes, are you saying that to let me know that you don't like that I complained about it? And I go, oh, am I doing that?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Maybe to some, on some degree, yeah, I didn't feel like I was doing it, but yeah, maybe. And she goes, well, I don't understand why I should feel bad sharing how I feel. And I go, yeah, that's totally true. I said, but I guess I'm always thinking in life, Would I want to be next to someone that's complaining the whole time? I just try to act in a way that is what I would want other people to act.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
So I think about, do I want to take a hike with someone and listen to them complain for an hour and a half? I don't want to. So I just don't do that because I'm assuming no one else would want that. And she goes, well, I would want to always be my full self around everybody. And if someone doesn't want to be around me because I'm being my full self, that's fine.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
But I don't think I should not be my full self. And I go, yeah, that's a really legitimate point of view. I think there's a lot of merit to that. And then we're walking and I'm just not feeling great about it. And I go, I know what's going on, Delta. What really happens is when you complain about being hungry, I want to fix it. I can't. We're on top of a hill and I can't make it go away for you.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
And now I'm uncomfortable because I can't solve a problem for someone I love. And so really it's just my problem. I want to be able to fix it. And she goes, Daddy, I'm not saying any of this so you can fix it. I'm just saying it so you know what I'm going through. Yeah. I was like, Jesus Christ. But she had to unravel that whole thing for me.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
I just said I didn't complain about it. And without any real awareness, I was being passive aggressive.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
And she's just like, she's not taking that. She's like, what was that? Does that mean what I think it might mean?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
And I just realized like, oh, wow. My mom talks about this. She's like, you know, I knew at this given age, you were smarter than me, which is a weird position for a parent and child to be in. And I've heard her say that to me and never thought that in my own arrogance, I'm not like, well, I don't think they're going to fly by me. Fucking A. I think she flew by me at nine years old on this hike.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Me too. All right. That was my, I don't need your market now. All right. Okay. Love you. Follow Armchair Expert on the Wondery app, Amazon Music, or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to every episode of Armchair Expert early and ad-free right now by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
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Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
How old was Dad when he died? Very young, yeah. Yeah, like 47, something like that. Wow. Says cirrhosis. Was he a drinker? Oh, heavens, yeah. Okay, again, same. Dad was a raging alcoholic. Stepdads were in the mix that were much worse.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
You got a good one. Yeah. Oh, that's great. That rarely happens.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
So what things did you pick up from that? For me, I lived in the same house for 16 years, never wanted to leave. I hate moving because of that childhood. I hate authority. And from enough interviews I've listened to you in the last couple of days, I feel like you might have a little of authority issue as well. Do you? Just a little. Just a little. Just a tiny bit.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Yeah, so shocking to me you went into the Air Force, because that sounds to me terrible. A lot of dumb people are going to tell me what to do all the time, and I'm going to have to listen.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Oopsies. You'll fare well in my written coverage of this. How'd that go down?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Yeah, you loved airplanes, right? At the time I did. I still do. I'm a pilot now. At 65, you got your license. That's incredible.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
And then some. Where we were graduating and getting into the Air Force. Yeah, it just seems like such an interesting detour for you, who seems like you know. But I get it. You needed to get out. I needed to move.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Oh. I got to go. So that's a heartbreaker. Because those grandmas, boy, they were available, right? Yeah. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
I was thinking about what was your expectation? Because dad died so young. Grandma died young. 57 when my paternal grandmother died. Yeah, all of it's all too young. Your mom made it to her 80s. Yeah, she was in her late 80s, actually. When the adults around you growing up die so prematurely, I would imagine it's impossible to not start thinking, I'm not going to count on seeing 90 or seeing 80.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Morgan Freeman
Did that impact you or did you never have that view?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cruise Ship
I am a gamer and I am recording this from a job site and I just didn't want to rely on my laptop's audio.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cruise Ship
Yeah, that's totally fine. I'm in Bozeman, Montana.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cruise Ship
It's gorgeous. We had a blizzard yesterday. Mountains are still full of snow.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cruise Ship
Full-on blizzard driving home last night. Wow. Do you like that? I don't love the snow, but I don't hate it. When it's unexpected is when it's the worst.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cruise Ship
That's exactly what yesterday was. Yeah, it was like 75, 80 degrees over the weekend. Oh my God. Hard snow yesterday, accidents on my drive home. It was pretty rough.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cruise Ship
I actually grew up in the Seattle area.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cruise Ship
That's right. This was for my wife and I's honeymoon. And shortly before the cruise, as newlyweds tend to do, we fooled around a lot. During some of this fooling around, I ended up with a little bit of chafing on my dick. Okay. Just saying. Right. Imagine a red burn on your dick. That's what it was. Don't need to sugarcoat it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cruise Ship
That's the way the story's going to go.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cruise Ship
Absolutely. Happy that those days are long gone for me, for sure. So we're on the cruise. It's day two. It's a day at sea. So there's really not a lot going on. Where's the cruise going to? Is it a Caribbean cruise? We're going to Alaska. Oh, okay. I go to take a shower. And if you've ever been on a cruise before, the bathrooms are tiny.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cruise Ship
I mean, you stand in the middle and you can touch all four walls just reaching out. So as you can imagine, the shower is equally tiny. And in the shower, they give you a wand to get to those hard to reach places. Oh, like you can pull it off the wall. Oh, I see. Right, a shower wand. Well, I'm going to shower and I'm thinking I want to get myself as clean as possible.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cruise Ship
I want this wound to heal up as quickly as it can because, you know, I've got to perform on my honeymoon. Yeah, you got to get back to it. Back in the saddle. I'm cleaning myself up and I have this great idea. I'm going to clean that area specifically. So I pull myself a little tight down there and I spray the wand on it. The water pressure from the wand...
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cruise Ship
Hits right on this rug burn spot and immediately starts gushing blood.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cruise Ship
Oh my God. You've opened up the wound.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cruise Ship
Yeah, and it's right on a vein. I'm not talking a little bit of blood. I'm talking, imagine you're peeing, but it is solid red. I mean, it is just a pressurized bead of red coming out of my dick.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cruise Ship
They will give, yes. And I am aghast. I don't know what to do. Honestly, my first thought, embarrassingly, is my wife doesn't need to know about this. She already knows I'm wounded down there. So if I can just get the bleeding to stop, She doesn't need to know about this. We'll just move on with life. Okay.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cruise Ship
So I go grab a massive wad of toilet paper. I mean, I'm talking 30 sheets at least. And I go to stick it under there. It turns into a mushy mess of nothing in seconds.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cruise Ship
Exactly. And so now I'm panicked. So now it's time to call the wife in and tell her I'm having an emergency.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cruise Ship
I call her in. She walks in and it looks like a war zone. I mean, there's blood all over the walls. It's everywhere. She handles it well. She goes and she calls the cruise site nurse team. She calls the nurse team down and this little nurse comes in and same thing. She opens the door. She looks at me and she just has this look of horror when she looks into this bathroom.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cruise Ship
She gives me a one inch thick stack of that heavy duty gauze that's designed to stop bleeding. She says, put this on there, apply pressure. I'll be right back. I'm going to go get a wheelchair, some more supplies. We'll wheel you down to the infirmary. She's gone maybe just a few minutes. By the time she has come back, I have bled through this stack of gauze.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cruise Ship
There's literally blood dripping out the bottom of this stack of gauze.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cruise Ship
Faced off the area of the injury, I am trying to avoid that as much as I can. And so she has me throw that away. She hands me a new stack of gauze, tells me to apply pressure again. I've put a shirt on, I'm on the wheelchair, and they're wheeling me down to the infirmary.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cruise Ship
Surprisingly, basically no paint. Oh! No, no, no, no. Pants. Pants. Pants. No pants. Just a towel covering my legs.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cruise Ship
Oh, okay. But you are covered at least with a towel.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cruise Ship
But it is awkward. You're going through the halls of this cruise ship and there's all these people looking at you. At first glance, they really have no idea what's wrong, but I'm sitting there just freaking the hell out.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cruise Ship
It's a scene. I wish the story ended there. So she wheels me down to the infirmary. And luckily by this point, I got about three quarters of the way through the second thing of gauze and the bleeding has stopped. The doctor on site is taking a look at this injury. Of course, it's a girl doctor too, but I've got no shame. You know, what am I going to do at this point?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cruise Ship
But she looks at it and she says, well, we've got to close this. It could reopen at any point. You're going to be right in the same situation. And so she says, well, I'd like to just use a stitch. But on this part of your body, it's very prone to expansion and contraction. So we don't want to use a stitch. So what we're going to use is a chemical cauterization. Oh. Glue. Not exactly.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cruise Ship
Chemical cauterization is they apply two inert chemicals to your body. Chemical A doesn't do anything by itself. Chemical B doesn't do anything by itself. But when they come in contact with each other, it melts your skin back together.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cruise Ship
That's what he said. Literally what he said.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cruise Ship
Yeah, no, you're good. She lays me back onto the table. There's no anesthetic. Oh! And she gives me a rubber stick to bite onto.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cruise Ship
Yeah. I was kind of under the impression that many people have bitten down on this rubber stick before. Oh, no. It was definitely like in the top shelf of the supplies, you know, like, oh, we need this every day. Oh. And so she does that, has me grab my wife's hand. And I'm telling you guys, I bet my screams are still reverberating through that cruise ship. Oh, wow.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cruise Ship
I can't begin to describe the amount of pain that having your dick skin burned back together feels like. Oh, my God.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cruise Ship
More or less, yeah. She said no sexual activity for a couple weeks. Obviously, it's going to kind of expand on its own every once in a while. There's not a lot you can do about that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cruise Ship
Luckily, the cruise to Alaska, not a lot of women in bikinis, but still something to concern yourself with.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cruise Ship
Oh, they get you excited, don't they?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cruise Ship
I thought you were making a euphemism for vagina.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cruise Ship
It healed well. I had no lingering injuries, a little bit of scarring, but you'd have to know what you were looking for.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cruise Ship
That's what I was thinking when she had to hold his hand.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cruise Ship
Yeah. And that's what I always tell people. I've told this story to people over the years. And, you know, if it wasn't exciting, you wouldn't remember it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cruise Ship
I'm glad you enjoyed it. I hope it makes it onto the episode.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cruise Ship
Awesome. While I still got a second, I'm just going to shout out my good buddy, Casey, who got me into your show and encouraged me to share my story.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cruise Ship
I'm so glad he did. That's a doozy. That's a good one.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cruise Ship
A few weeks ago, he sent the link. He was like, cruise stories.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cruise Ship
She is tall for her age. She's only 12. I have a question for you. I was getting a massage recently. This was weird. In the middle of the massage, the massage therapist said, can I ask you something personal? And this was while she was mid massage. And I said, sure.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cruise Ship
And she said, do you like being called Monica? Yeah. I was like, yeah. And she was like, cause my name is Monica and I love it. Every Monica I meet is just so great. And I was like, yeah, it's a great name. It really caught me off guard. And would you have liked that?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cruise Ship
Oh, wow. We just had this conversation about nicknames, Monica nicknames.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cruise Ship
Except this one that stops in the middle of a massage.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cruise Ship
I did. Brian Luttrell. Yeah, Brian was everyone's fave.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cruise Ship
He was my fave, too. Are you going to see them at the Sphere? You should. Maybe when we get to the end of the story.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cruise Ship
Oof. Didn't make me want to go on a cruise, I'll tell you that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cruise Ship
Well, I'm sorry that happened, but that was a delight to hear about.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cruise Ship
I wonder nowadays if everyone just goes on cruise ships with, like, is Zofran the same as Dramamine? Could you take both?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cruise Ship
Yeah. I also, when we went to Napa, the first thing we did was we went to this winery and it was up a very...
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cruise Ship
very curvy yeah and you zofrand i zofrand and thank god because i still felt awful you did even with it and if i hadn't had it it would have been like that cruise oh my god it was so funny everyone's got barf bags with the backstreet boys if you're the backstreet boys and you're up there and everyone's just puking and are they not puking right oh boy all right love you love you
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cruise Ship
Oh, good. My parents have gone on a couple and they love it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cruise Ship
I was going to say any nurses. Nurses would have been a great meet-cute. No.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cruise Ship
Yeah, that would be a very interesting experiment.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cruise Ship
Because they're so rare. They're limited edition.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cruise Ship
Okay, comment if you don't like identical twins.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cruise Ship
Demon. Or this one was so good that God had to make two.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Thanksgiving II
And when they say yum, I love it. I've never had anything so good. Yes.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Thanksgiving II
I know. But imagine you've made turkey. You've made a big cloud potatoes. You've made a sweet potato dish. You made stuffing. And you did it by yourself. And people are like... How did you do this? Can you imagine that feeling?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Thanksgiving II
You can also tell by seconds and thirds, right?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Thanksgiving II
That's Monsgiving. And then we do our Thanksgiving, which is the best day of the year. This is my happiest time of year. I have Monsgiving. Then I have our pot Thanksgiving, which is the best, secret turkey. Then I have Black Friday with Callie. That's a tradition.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Thanksgiving II
Who are they playing on Thanksgiving?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Thanksgiving II
I'm obviously voting for Chicago.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Thanksgiving II
You're going to be great. Thank you. I need it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Thanksgiving II
Yeah, especially from smart, cute, nice Virgos. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Thanksgiving II
Remember one time I made it and I had to make it in a huge... I didn't have a vessel big enough. And so I used this thing I got at the flea market to... That is like kind of something I guess you'd put wine bottles in or something. I cleaned it really well, but I was a little nervous because it was from the flea market. You know, I was like, is it?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Thanksgiving II
I'll line it with wax paper before I put the mixtures in and mix it all up. Wax paper completely started disintegrating. And so... And so it was like kind of in there. No, it wasn't leeching. It was just, I thought I would just pull it out and I couldn't. And then there were pieces of wax paper and I, you ate some.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Thanksgiving II
Then Saturday, I have pig day with Jess, where we get my Christmas tree.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Thanksgiving II
Man, whoever branded Buc-ee's really did a great job.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Thanksgiving II
No, no. My friend has this thing where his throat has webbing in it. Is that what you have?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Thanksgiving II
Isn't that so funny how people build these things in relationships and they don't transfer over?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Thanksgiving II
Are you able to talk? Can you talk when this is happening or no?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Thanksgiving II
But the things you and Aaron joke about and stuff, do you want to be doing that with everybody else and it's just not working? Or you really only do that there?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Thanksgiving II
It's just like you keep putting stuff down.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Thanksgiving II
Such a nightmare. Did you think like I should go to the bathroom and deal with this or no?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Thanksgiving II
At a fancy, formal Thanksgiving.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Thanksgiving II
Also, someone just threw up at the table. I feel like everyone was like, I'm going to take a minute also to eat because I'm not hungry.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Thanksgiving II
Oh, I'm so embarrassed. Like, I feel the heat.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Thanksgiving II
He is a sick boy. And you brought him here and he has a stomach bug.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Thanksgiving II
That's what I would go to if this was happening.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Thanksgiving II
They like 12 point Bucs. So now you've been around that family a lot.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Thanksgiving II
I think you should try a new doctor and tell them about the webbing. I think you have that. There's almost like little, not spikes, but sort of that grow in. So a lot of food gets caught.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Thanksgiving II
Okay, I'm going to ask my friend what the name of that disease is.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Thanksgiving II
I'm asking, was he able to just like drink water normally?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Thanksgiving II
Yeah, that's interesting. Because I don't think so. I think what's born in the space between two people is very unique. I never try to like pull in what it was funny over there into a different relationship.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Thanksgiving II
I was just stuck with like Slim Fast or something.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Thanksgiving II
He was in one of those things where it was not going to stop, lest you appear.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Thanksgiving II
Six Flags doesn't meet, it buys. Okay, well, okay, let's not talk about that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Thanksgiving II
Oh my God. Yeah. And you, you're allergic to him now.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Thanksgiving II
Stop saying meat. Stop saying that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Thanksgiving II
Yeah, you've talked about that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Thanksgiving II
Are you feeling woozy? Are you feeling like you're starting to lose it?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Thanksgiving II
Didn't mean to gaslight you. This is very serious.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Thanksgiving II
Yeah, it looks like a gurney-ish on this picture.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Thanksgiving II
No, I like this part that you're aware like, oh boy.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Thanksgiving II
He doesn't need to know it's full of meat.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Thanksgiving II
It's a good episode. We are thankful for our Armchair Anonymous listeners and our Armcherries.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Thanksgiving II
No, no. That's why I think saying dads in general, maybe not men.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Thanksgiving II
Sure, that's a big tradition for people, yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Thanksgiving II
It's like when you guys play volleyball.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Thanksgiving II
You guys are all like really limping around.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Thanksgiving II
Well, Monsgiving is its own thing.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Thanksgiving II
I'm thinking it was that phenomenon. I think it was that. Plus, this is the fault of the physics lab.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Thanksgiving II
Hard times come and go Hi there. Hi, nice to meet you. What a dazzling closet you're in. Lots of stimuli.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Thanksgiving II
Women need a lot of sleep. That's the thing is you guys are acting like 930 so crazy.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Thanksgiving II
I do a day where I cook for only, sorry, sorry. No one's mad. Sorry, guys. I only cook for like eight people because so far in my current kitchen, that's all I can do.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Thanksgiving II
Remember one time, though, the night I got my COVID booster at like 1130, I woke up to banging and you were at my door. Do you remember that?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Thanksgiving II
You don't remember. But a bunch of people, bunch of people were calling.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Thanksgiving II
another false alarm everyone was panicked but eventually i guess i heard the door banging but i probably wouldn't have if i wasn't already coming out of sleep or like maybe you were coming out of it at 9 30 when you're in that deep sleep rem cycle maybe dax you just never reached i think that is the case yeah i don't think i'm ever there
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Thanksgiving II
For all these people who act like their internet's bad, it's like our boat lady had great internet.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Thanksgiving II
Do you want to say anything else?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Thanksgiving II
You slept through the whole day? Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Thanksgiving II
To be fair, in my armoire, my shelf has collapsed also, and I'm also not doing anything about it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Thanksgiving II
Yeah, that's something for us to think about because then is that just Thanksgiving again, right?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Thanksgiving II
Mom started the day before. Yeah, you got to start sometimes two days.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Thanksgiving II
So I invite eight people over pre-Thanksgiving. It's happening this year on this Friday. Oh, okay. Yeah. And well.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Thanksgiving II
Well, for the listeners, it was already Friday.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Thanksgiving II
Anyway, and I make Alison Roman's Thanksgiving.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Thanksgiving II
I already had a big issue with turkey.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Thanksgiving II
I love rotisserie chicken, but it's not as good as when I make a full chicken.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Thanksgiving II
You've obviously never had my chicken. That's fine. But I agree with you. They have good stuff, but not on Thanksgiving. On Thanksgiving, you don't want to go store-bought, with the exception of some people like the cranberry in the jar.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Thanksgiving II
You gotta rip it up and then it dries. I'm so hungry.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Thanksgiving II
Do you want me to make some turkey legs and bring them and see?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Thanksgiving II
Oh, my God. Well, I'm so sorry about this horrible, horrible disaster.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Thanksgiving II
I'm not sure how that's going to go.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Animal Attack II
We love this. Congratulations.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Animal Attack II
They do them in the South a lot. They put it all on newspaper and then you eat it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Animal Attack II
Oh, yours is fancier than the one I went to then.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Animal Attack II
Do you think the bear would have left after it ate its dinner?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Animal Attack II
But they don't really want to interact with people, right? They will if there are people there. Right.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Animal Attack II
Well, I was about to say people are scared of L.A. because of the fires. And they're like, I'm going to move. Everywhere has something that's going to get you. We have beds and fires. Okay.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Animal Attack II
And pedophiles and criminals. Just like everywhere. Gangs. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Animal Attack II
That is a weird sim because the other day we had an earthquake.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Animal Attack II
Yeah, I was in my bed. The earthquake happened and I was just wearing underwear. And I was like, I'm putting pants on. If there's going to be more tonight and I got to like run outside or something, I can't be in my undies.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Animal Attack II
Okay. So every time there's a little earthquake, I think... I need to double check again about what you're supposed to do.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Animal Attack II
I know it's the doorframe, but being on the first floor, I'm like, is that going to do anything? Yeah, I think it will. Really?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Animal Attack II
Also, I've heard that. And I'm like, do you just run outside?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Animal Attack II
Tell us about the time you were attacked, Rob.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Animal Attack II
Wow. Oh, my goodness. You're there for a while.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Animal Attack II
Animals are not to be fucked with, you guys.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Animal Attack II
I get both because your dad's like, we're just living. It was an accident.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Animal Attack II
But you're the only one that got attacked. That I know of. Wow. Well, yikes. I'm glad you're okay.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Animal Attack II
Yeah, they had bigger fish to fry.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Animal Attack II
Megan. Are you wearing a sweatshirt? Oh, look at you.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Animal Attack II
No, maybe they just like it and think everyone should wear it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Animal Attack II
I know. I mean, you can't. What do we expect?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Animal Attack II
Thank you. I'm excited to wear it so we can all match.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Animal Attack II
Really nice meeting both of you. Thank you so much.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Animal Attack II
She bought Cookie Boy because she loved it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Animal Attack II
We need to put out to the armcherries what they want to see on a shirt.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Animal Attack II
Oh, yeah. But we'll have more. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Animal Attack II
So they should tell us what they want.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Animal Attack II
We forget a lot of stuff. We forget.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Animal Attack II
Yeah. I'll probably say it on the fact check, but for these listeners. I did reach out to the person who I saw online.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Animal Attack II
Really good. You can't listen, but it's great.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Animal Attack II
Yes, a very, very kind response, but he does have a girlfriend. Oh! Yeah, I think it was very nice.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Animal Attack II
Well, it's vulnerable, but I did it. And I'm proud I did it. I wish it had gone differently, obviously. But it affirmed that he is the type of person that I would like.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Animal Attack II
If you're on that competition squad, you had some skills we've met before. This is so crazy.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Animal Attack II
No, chihuahuas are also vicious.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Animal Attack II
There's a fair amount of gunshots that come through Grady.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: DIY Disaster
At 24, I lost my narrative, or rather it was stolen from me. And the Monica Lewinsky that my friends and family knew was usurped by false narratives, callous jokes, and politics. I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: DIY Disaster
So I think listeners can expect me to be chatting with folks, both recognizable and unrecognizable names about the way that people have navigated roads to triumph. My hope is that people will finish an episode of Reclaiming and feel like they filled their tank up. They connected with the people that I'm talking to and leave with maybe some nuggets that help them feel a little more hopeful.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: DIY Disaster
Follow Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to Reclaiming early and ad free right now by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: DIY Disaster
Yeah, no one can listen to this episode.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: DIY Disaster
That's actually interesting. Do you think delivery people have an obligation to like report?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: DIY Disaster
Yeah. We have to call 911 if we see something really bad.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: DIY Disaster
Okay. Well, yeah, you got to be smart to do that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: DIY Disaster
Oh, God, stay away from the projects.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: DIY Disaster
Take care, Chris. I think it's something like taking a shortcut is the fastest way to the back of the line.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: DIY Disaster
They're not. They're old and stinky.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: DIY Disaster
You are all the same. And you're always trying to play with your trinkets and put trinkets up. You call them tools, but really they're trinkets.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: DIY Disaster
Yes, yes. Oh, wonderful. Short for Christine or Christina? Yes.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: DIY Disaster
One of my best friend's name is Chris. Short for Christina.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: DIY Disaster
Uh-huh. With a K, but you're with the C?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: DIY Disaster
What a disaster. Just for some baseboards.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: DIY Disaster
I don't mean to pat myself on the back, but I don't suffer from this. Yeah, you really shine. I am very fast to just ask someone to please come take care of, in fact, everything.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: DIY Disaster
You gotta know your lane in this life.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: DIY Disaster
A woman too. Clint Eastwood. Oh, he said that?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: DIY Disaster
I don't think they would have really understood Mother Nature also, to be fair.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: DIY Disaster
You're not getting your deposit back.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: DIY Disaster
Yeah, you didn't know they were in there.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: DIY Disaster
Yes. There's something about them and you can't get control of them and they're slimy and ugh.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: DIY Disaster
What more do you want me to do? You made me listen. Oh, that was healthy.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: DIY Disaster
What's your favorite? Name that tune, Chris.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: DIY Disaster
Oh, I think it's that. I think it might be how cultured the airport is.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: DIY Disaster
Of course you do. It's the only one that works. It really is. And your teeth are sparkling white. Thank you. That's so nice. I feel so validated.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Best of Friday 2024
I'm proud of you. I'm glad you're staying away.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Best of Friday 2024
What a story. That is going to sit with everyone.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Best of Friday 2024
Thank you for sharing that. That was really harrowing.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Best of Friday 2024
What a batch of stories you guys gave us this year.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Best of Friday 2024
We're lucky to have you. We're lucky to still have you here.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Best of Friday 2024
Yeah. Have a great rest of your day. We appreciate it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Best of Friday 2024
I have a feeling your story is going to have to do with the shirt you're wearing. I don't know if we're allowed to say.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Best of Friday 2024
How long did you think it was? Were you like, this is over a day?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Best of Friday 2024
Wait, no you don't. No one sees Dax's point on this.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Best of Friday 2024
Okay. Just a eating ceremony. You're probably not going to be doing that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Best of Friday 2024
There sure is. Chocolate's done a great job marketing to lovers.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Best of Friday 2024
Yeah, that's a good one. I'm starting to journal more.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Best of Friday 2024
I love electrolytes. We all know this. This is tried and true.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Best of Friday 2024
What do you think people saw if it was facing the ceiling? Do you think they just heard? So they just heard. Okay. Thank God.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Best of Friday 2024
This was really hard to narrow down. And again, like the other ones, there's just a million amazing stories this year. We can only pick a few.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Best of Friday 2024
But it would be so confusing because it's not like a robbery. There is no way to piece together what could have possibly.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Best of Friday 2024
I love that you were relieved that it was a car. Oh, I would have been too.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Best of Friday 2024
Very Stephanie Tanner from Full House. She drove the car.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Best of Friday 2024
Oh, I have a feeling this story is about... Their own.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Best of Friday 2024
So he was covered in the poop when he was in the sheets? Oh. There was just poop stains like poop juice all over the sheets.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Best of Friday 2024
By the way, when we got on with you and we said we were just talking about naughty stuff, it was anal.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Best of Friday 2024
I wonder if there was any poop on any of the stuff.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Best of Friday 2024
You got eyes on that. I got eyes on all of it. It was pretty nasty. And would you also describe it as juice? Yeah, I would say juice and then some.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Best of Friday 2024
Oh, they probably watched that over and over and over again.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Best of Friday 2024
Did they have at that time on the treadmills, the pole? You know, now they have that pole.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Best of Friday 2024
You know, we used to call Delta Munchie Cheese.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Best of Friday 2024
Yeah, that's the good news about these stories. We do know everyone's made it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: First Responder
Oh, I love it. I was about to say this looks like a show.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: First Responder
You couldn't miss it. It was front and center. And that's flaccid because he definitely wasn't hard while he was on fire.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: First Responder
Except it seems like the one on fire is actually the one that was mad.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: First Responder
I think it was another Armchair Anonymous person.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: First Responder
Yeah, like Only Murders in the Building.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: First Responder
Do you want to show your tattoo?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: First Responder
I thought it was going to be that he cut off his legs and he put horse legs on.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: First Responder
Monica, that's a very... Because of the hay. Oh, my God.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: First Responder
He wanted to become a centaur. He was a little mentally ill.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: First Responder
Some people are A24V, and that's cool. Actually, it's cool because A24, actually, it's really cool.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: First Responder
I know so many people born on my birthday.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: First Responder
We need to blow up this ambulance.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: First Responder
That's really out of a... Someone will have cut off their legs and put horse legs on it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: First Responder
Who could be ready for that? I wouldn't put it past somebody.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: First Responder
I don't know because I didn't take it out. Okay, yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: First Responder
There's three options. There's a wine bottle corked, there's an empty wine bottle, and there's a wine bottle that you drank some and then you put the stopper in.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: First Responder
It'll be me calling into every single episode. You know, that drive back is, I think, intense because Che Che, the four year old who died of AIDS.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: First Responder
George Clooney and a woman medical student. They were the ones dealing with Che Che and then he died and then they had to have sex to feel better.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: First Responder
Yeah, do you know Ben and Matt?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: First Responder
Now that you have the last name, it makes sense.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: First Responder
No. Wow. This is such a left turn.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: First Responder
Oh, my God. That's crazy. Was she in a wheelchair from that event with the leg?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: First Responder
Or do you think she did it on purpose to sue the ATV company?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: First Responder
Oh, you think it's wild? She murdered her grandma.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: First Responder
And was able to ride on it. That's something that I didn't consider.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: First Responder
The nicest murder. That's what they'll call the doc.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: First Responder
You really got taken advantage of a little bit. Not taken. That's not the word. You really got tricked.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: First Responder
Well, thanks for that story. That was wild.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: First Responder
I forgot to ask him if he's watched The Pit.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: First Responder
Obviously. I think actually tonight is the finale of The Pit.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: First Responder
I, there's a, yeah, we'll talk about it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: First Responder
You can't listen to it. You just like absolutely cannot listen to it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: First Responder
And how did he get that high up?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: First Responder
I would just think you'd get slowed down by your body getting out of the window.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: First Responder
This is very ER. This is very the pit. I love it. I mean, I'm sorry for that guy.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: First Responder
That's what the job is. You RSI.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: First Responder
Bye. I don't want anyone to have hero complexes, but I also get it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: First Responder
Because it is attractive when someone's a hero. Of course. I just watched an episode of ER.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: First Responder
I'm sorry you guys aren't going to be able to listen. Don't enjoy first responders.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: First Responder
George Clooney rescued this boy. He was stuck in a, like, sewer tunnel, and then it was starting to flood, and he was trying to pass out. He got him out just in time, but then the water rushes, and he can't find him, and then he finds him, and he lifts him up, and he's a hero. He was a hero.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: First Responder
That's where I met Ted, my AAA driver, who is an angel. I do feel guilty because we haven't reconnected. I haven't called him.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: First Responder
Now, not to be stupid, not to like, but did you feel that these people that you came across were potentially unhoused or on drugs?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: First Responder
Yeah, I'm so sorry to impose it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Dated a Criminal
Yeah, that's a good one. I'm starting to journal more.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Dated a Criminal
I love electrolytes. We all know this. This is tried and true.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Dated a Criminal
We also know from the stalking episodes, they can't do anything unless it's already happened, unfortunately. And because I didn't go on the bike ride, I don't have anything to report.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Dated a Criminal
Well, you did the right thing the whole time. It sounds like you kept yourself safe.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Dated a Criminal
I don't know all about, but I know enough that I should have gotten that. And I'm embarrassed and I'm going to cut it out.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Dated a Criminal
I was at Molly's gym and she has a Peloton. And every time I'm there, I try to sneak up there and get a little workout. Steal a little sash. Steal a sash because it is so fun.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Dated a Criminal
Yes. And any chance you can make working out fun, I'll take it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Dated a Criminal
There's criminals out there, you guys. Spoiler alert.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Dated a Criminal
I was just in the house and our friend Anna, she had borrowed a sweater for me. It's blue and it's from Quince. It's gorgeous and it fits so well. And when she was wearing it, I was like, I want it back.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Dated a Criminal
That's so fun. I believe in manifesting. Well, I do now.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Dated a Criminal
Also, how would he get it in if he couldn't get it out?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Dated a Criminal
But he said he couldn't get it out without taking apart the TV.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Dated a Criminal
You feel validated in your own choices in life. It's like, oh, I didn't pick this horrible person. That's what the relief really is. My judgment isn't this bad.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Dated a Criminal
So she's like kind of Munchausen-sy, I guess, a little bit. He sucks, but she probably sort of infected him.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Dated a Criminal
A lot of these stories are people making lemonade out of bad, rotten lemons.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Dated a Criminal
You should tell her it was the mom.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Dated a Criminal
Well, don't you think she would straight up say in the message, look, he's a con man with his mom.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Dated a Criminal
I know it sounds crazy, but it's real.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Dated a Criminal
It also confirms the wrong view you have of yourself. Like, oh, yeah, this thing I thought I was unlovable. I guess I am because this was the proof. It's cruel.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Dated a Criminal
What a story. Thanks for sharing.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Dated a Criminal
Maybe. Although with Phoenicia, he was just handsome. It's just sad that people...
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Dated a Criminal
And it's not a reflection of you.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Dated a Criminal
But it's really hard to see that in the moment.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Dated a Criminal
You're right. It wasn't a resolution. In fact, I think I knocked on wood yesterday. Okay.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Dated a Criminal
Look, everyone's capable of all things.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Dated a Criminal
Me too. Also, shame on you for pushing him out the window.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Dated a Criminal
It wasn't when I was there and I haven't heard anything. So hopefully not.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Kind Gesture from a Stranger
At 24, I lost my narrative, or rather it was stolen from me. And the Monica Lewinsky that my friends and family knew was usurped by false narratives, callous jokes, and politics. I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Kind Gesture from a Stranger
So I think listeners can expect me to be chatting with folks, both recognizable and unrecognizable names about the way that people have navigated roads to triumph. My hope is that people will finish an episode of Reclaiming and feel like they filled their tank up. They connected with the people that I'm talking to and leave with maybe some nuggets that help them feel a little more hopeful.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Kind Gesture from a Stranger
Follow Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to Reclaiming early and ad-free right now by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Children's Party
If you run into any hot professors, send them my way.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Children's Party
I deserve to be taken down a peg.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Children's Party
From what I'm seeing, it looks beautiful. I mean, little brothers are beautiful.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Children's Party
Oh, I hate to say little brother energy, but that reeks a little.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Children's Party
I do too. I want to be proven wrong.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Children's Party
I think I've been to the Abbey once. So maybe you'd have a great memory.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Children's Party
Me too. And just laying there and someone would have to collect them. Luckily, they're already on ice.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Children's Party
Yeah. I don't think it's for you.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Children's Party
No. I ripped my hamstring. That's the worst thing that's happened.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Children's Party
I wasn't allowed to go to the doctor because I had to compete, and they would have said I can't. But I heard it rip. It was really bad. But no breaks.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Children's Party
Yes, so nice to meet you. Can I give a shout out to my friend?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Children's Party
Yeah, I love that. Is she so cool like you? She is the coolest.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Children's Party
It's falling apart. Oh, I thought they found a book at a garage sale and the character's name like yours.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Children's Party
Oh, you're going to start a beef.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Children's Party
Oh, no. One of the kids' parents in school.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Children's Party
OK, but if he did go, would he be in trouble since he was invited? No.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Children's Party
And he's at the end of his day, so he's ready to get back out there.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Children's Party
I mean, a Hard Rock Cafe birthday, yeah, that's fancy.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Children's Party
Yeah. And you think like, he's 80. It's fine, but it's not fine.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Children's Party
Did you consider moving the location?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Children's Party
That's a great, also cautionary tale.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Children's Party
Well, you know, these children, they're wild.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Children's Party
I had a really fun fondue party for my sweet 16.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Children's Party
And then she didn't marry you?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Children's Party
Oh, then it seems like she did the right thing. She stuck to her promise.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Children's Party
Well, you really swung in the other direction.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Children's Party
And you just don't know what's going to happen.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Children's Party
I hope to get a wet towel this time.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Children's Party
It is your fault that you made her stand up on that chair, though.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Children's Party
These are the lessons we learn in life. You came out really unscathed, I gotta say.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Children's Party
I'm surprised the meal wasn't free.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Children's Party
Noah said it the other day and it was so cute.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Children's Party
I like the setup. It looks profesh.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Children's Party
No, no, no. It takes him a long, long time to get that middle syllable. That's a hard one.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Children's Party
I didn't get targeted, but I'm surprised.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Children's Party
She is. You know, I take her for her birthday.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Children's Party
And Target. The year before that, we had lumped in Christmas and her birthday. And so Lincoln, we all went. This year, we didn't do that. And so I took her. And then on the way home, she said, do you take Lincoln on a shopping spree for her birthday? And I was like, well, no, I don't. Something that we just started for me and you, but maybe I should start doing that. And she was like, yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Children's Party
Instead of just being like, I get this special thing.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Children's Party
But it makes me think, then I need to give you a shopping spree every day. Like you deserve so many shopping sprees.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Children's Party
At 24, I lost my narrative, or rather it was stolen from me. And the Monica Lewinsky that my friends and family knew was usurped by false narratives, callous jokes, and politics. I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Children's Party
So I think listeners can expect me to be chatting with folks, both recognizable and unrecognizable names about the way that people have navigated roads to triumph. My hope is that people will finish an episode of Reclaiming and feel like they filled their tank up. They connected with the people that I'm talking to and leave with maybe some nuggets that help them feel a little more hopeful.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Children's Party
Follow Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to Reclaiming early and ad-free right now by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Children's Party
I guess I don't. It's a wonderful gig.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Children's Party
Because that blue door felt very London to me.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: DNA Testing
At 24, I lost my narrative, or rather it was stolen from me. And the Monica Lewinsky that my friends and family knew was usurped by false narratives, callous jokes, and politics. I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: DNA Testing
So I think listeners can expect me to be chatting with folks, both recognizable and unrecognizable names, about the way that people have navigated roads to triumph. My hope is that people will finish an episode of Reclaiming and feel like they filled their tank up. They connected with the people that I'm talking to and leave with maybe some nuggets that help them feel a little more hopeful.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: DNA Testing
Follow Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to Reclaiming early and ad free right now by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: DNA Testing
Also, if this really was you, let's say it's you.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: DNA Testing
Can you imagine the kind of guilt because your life is really good and your children's lives are really good and to think, well, what happened to that kid and what if they didn't end up in as good of a situation?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: DNA Testing
I'm scared to find stuff out on there, though. It's hard to find a partner. If I really fell in love with someone, I would not want to find out they were my full brother. It's better to not know that. I just don't want to know.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: DNA Testing
These are surprisingly happy stories. I know.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: DNA Testing
I was going to say something. I'm engorged.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: DNA Testing
I noticed today you wanted to clear and you didn't.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: DNA Testing
I think we're still giving off laid back vibes.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: DNA Testing
But there could be big R, little r, big R, little r, making two little r's. So then there could technically be a combination.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: DNA Testing
This really is. This is the most interesting meet-cute I've ever heard.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: DNA Testing
Thank you for telling us that story. And thanks for doing it this way. This was fun to have both of you.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: DNA Testing
I mean, the only reason I think to tell her is like she is a medical marvel.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: DNA Testing
Literally. I mean, there probably is just 50 cases this has ever happened.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: DNA Testing
Growing up though, did you think you and your twin had twin abilities?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: DNA Testing
I'll be thinking about that one for a while. That one's going to stick.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: DNA Testing
Thank you. Bye. This one really got out of hand.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: DNA Testing
Yeah, oh my God. A show. Bonne amie.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: DNA Testing
Are you going to go look into your DNA?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: DNA Testing
Are you my mom? Yeah, it's a great book. Are you my mother or something?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: DNA Testing
I thought it was are you my mother. She has a turtle.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: DNA Testing
Mother? If you didn't grow up with them, they're your mother.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: DNA Testing
This is where in the TV show that you take the hair out of the hairbrush.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: DNA Testing
What's the feeling when you open it and you see it?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: DNA Testing
Oh, see, that's your ego. Yeah. I would feel deceived. Not by the kid, but by the partner.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: DNA Testing
I don't think your feelings towards her would change at all.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: DNA Testing
What a nice woman. A good person for that to happen to. Great reaction. Because that could really take someone down.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: DNA Testing
I would have a very hard time with that. Luckily, I look like my parents almost exactly.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: DNA Testing
I wouldn't be mad at anyone, but I would feel untethered. I don't even know who I really am.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: DNA Testing
But I just think then that would be very telling for nurture. Obviously, they are my parents. So none of this is helpful. So knock on wood, they're my parents. Also, I just read something recently that made me upset. It's a ding, ding, ding to this. Green eyes are the most rare.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: DNA Testing
Can you check with her about how she did that? You could have had them.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: DNA Testing
You're right. You have to have both recessive.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: DNA Testing
I think so too. But that was so fun making those little squares. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: DNA Testing
Oh, my God. Do not do that. Just go to your nearest Six Flags. There's one closer.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Holiday Spectacular 2024
Oh, they did this for us to save our relationship.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Holiday Spectacular 2024
So... Make sure it's not like Brandon or some sort of... Oh, I don't think... It just says Jeremy, Jeremy, Jeremy on it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Holiday Spectacular 2024
What's his riz? Like, why is she so obsessed?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Holiday Spectacular 2024
It's had a real resurgence. I was just at a friend's house in Georgia and all the kids were playing this.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Holiday Spectacular 2024
Did you feel like after Pitch Perfect, everyone was saying that to you? Like, oh my God.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Holiday Spectacular 2024
Oh my God, well, you sound amazing. I'm having a real-time realization.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Holiday Spectacular 2024
I cannot believe I have not put this together before. the thing the song that i've listened to probably the most in my life is you and justin timberlake singing true colors and i just now i'm realizing that that's you because now i know you to some extent that i i've like removed that as put it in its own compartment i used to watch that video on repeat
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Holiday Spectacular 2024
We've talked about it, but I didn't realize it was our friend Anna Kendrick. I mean, I did realize, but this Monica did not realize it in her heart until right this second. Wait, when you say the video, are you talking about the Cannes performance? There was a performance you guys did. I just watched it on YouTube over and over and over and over. Yeah, we were both really sick. Oh my God.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Holiday Spectacular 2024
Happy holidays. Happy holidays. Jingle, jingle.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Holiday Spectacular 2024
Not me, man. I'd like to throw in in the mix. Please. That we got you a chandelier. Oh. From Paris. Now that I remember.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Holiday Spectacular 2024
Oh, these are pieces of shit, these files. Yeah. They're like Easy Bake Ovens, essentially.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Holiday Spectacular 2024
Yeah, they come out and they go all the way up into your, they? Do they come out your butt?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Holiday Spectacular 2024
Well, he told us that he just shaved his pubic hair.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Holiday Spectacular 2024
Oh, that's so cool because we've done it before and we really loved what we learned. Also, do it as a family or like as a friendship. It's really fun because you get your results and you can read them together. It's fun.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Holiday Spectacular 2024
One time, you did it one time into a landing strip for funnies.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Holiday Spectacular 2024
Okay. Sounds lovely. Wow. A buffet. People can pee if they need to. Wow.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Holiday Spectacular 2024
I always thought it was two words. It is. Oh, it is. Oh, yeah. Okay.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Holiday Spectacular 2024
Both are absolutely delicious. Our listeners have heard a lot about the spaghetti. So I want them to, it's good that they get to see it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Holiday Spectacular 2024
That's what I would do, a pair of shoes I love. What's Panda Prank?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Holiday Spectacular 2024
I don't know what happened. Theatrical. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Holiday Spectacular 2024
With the fur. Oh, there's a platform for you, Shorty. Platform is great. Those are sweet. Who's talking? I love a platform, too.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Holiday Spectacular 2024
Thank you. Wait, but in the meantime. I don't need things.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Holiday Spectacular 2024
I buy my own things. Oh, sweet, the original mouse. Dax drew this. And I used it on my gift guide and now it's on our sweatshirt for this year.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Holiday Spectacular 2024
I'm so excited to listen to James, which is a new title by Percival Everett that is very, very hot right now.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Holiday Spectacular 2024
This was the original drawing. I love it. Thank you so much. What does it say? The world's all time most special mouse, in quotes. Sometimes I think you guys forget this is a podcast. Because we didn't say those were AirPods.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Holiday Spectacular 2024
Oh my God, these feel amazing. Also, if we're not doing a good job talking about the items, I guess you should just watch it on YouTube.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Holiday Spectacular 2024
Also, the present I got you two, I need you to open at the same time.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Holiday Spectacular 2024
We have a lot more. I got presents for you too.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Holiday Spectacular 2024
Ladies first. It's from Wobby Wob. Hollis.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Holiday Spectacular 2024
Kind of like the hat on the hat. Is there gonna be another?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Holiday Spectacular 2024
Oh, my God. Oh, my God. It's my dream come true. Is that a real picture? No. Yeah, I spent time.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Holiday Spectacular 2024
In my dreams. Oh, and it's a picture. It's a picture of me. Okay, for the listener and not the viewer. There's a sweater coming. Oh, thank you. Oh, my gosh. How sweet. But this is the real gift. It's a picture of me with Mary-Kate and Ashley, and I look like I'm friends with them. You're in the sweater. It's so cute.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Holiday Spectacular 2024
That's great. I love it. And I'll buy these pants for sure. Okay, this one can live like that. And that's a manifest because they're going to come on at some point. Thank you, Rob. That's so sweet. Okay, now I need you guys to open. Go ahead, Rob. But can you open yours of this too? Well.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Holiday Spectacular 2024
It's olive oil, but they were personalized.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Holiday Spectacular 2024
You know what I like? I like a candy cane ornament. It's very classic.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Holiday Spectacular 2024
Yeah, well, candy cane ornaments are really for colored lights.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Holiday Spectacular 2024
You're not going back in. What's the name of the artist, Rob?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Holiday Spectacular 2024
Well. Monica, they don't deserve this. No.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Holiday Spectacular 2024
I mean also obviously we can return if things don't fit but it was imperative that everyone in this room had something from the row based on how much we talk about it beautiful you're welcome but if it doesn't fit obviously oh wow let me see oh yours okay yours a little thinner yours more of a springtime mine's more of a let's hit the slopes
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Holiday Spectacular 2024
That's beautiful. And I got a rose sweater, too. It all worked out.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Holiday Spectacular 2024
I like to picture my whole year when I hear it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Holiday Spectacular 2024
The one I just had. It's bye. It's bye to the year.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Holiday Spectacular 2024
And what's the verdict on this year? Oh, it was a complicated year. Yeah. But a good building year. Oh, cool. Building year. Wow.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Holiday Spectacular 2024
The big one? Oh, we should get... Erica, we have a closer. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Holiday Spectacular 2024
And if you listened to Synced, Erica had made an appearance on Synced, and people were like, she needs to be on every episode.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Holiday Spectacular 2024
Well, Rob said he's going to ride it. Do you want this for when you ride it? He's going to ride it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Holiday Spectacular 2024
We love Audible. This is how you go to bed.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Holiday Spectacular 2024
That doesn't align with your values. We squish back on it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Holiday Spectacular 2024
It's a good time for Defiance. That's right, that's right. Tell us about your choir class.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Holiday Spectacular 2024
You're not supposed to eat stuff from strangers.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Holiday Spectacular 2024
That's low money. That's really tasteless. I went to a children's hospital.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Holiday Spectacular 2024
I'm just Team Motrin. Stop trying to make me who I'm not.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Holiday Spectacular 2024
He missed an opportunity because, Easter egg, someone's coming here in a bit to help with the singing, whose son is a dancer.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Holiday Spectacular 2024
He's 11. He's the best dancer in the world. And Perfect 10 Charlie, his father, posted a whole thing, a video and a whole thing about it. And he called himself a dance dad. And there's nothing hotter than a man calling themselves a dance dad. So your dad missed out. He could have been a dance dad and like that would have been hot. Cleaned up. Yes.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Holiday Nightmare II
But you also want them to be opening the stuff.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Holiday Nightmare II
It's a good cautionary tale story as well for people.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Holiday Nightmare II
That's fair. How would you have known?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Holiday Nightmare II
I'm just team Motrin. Stop trying to make me who I'm not.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Holiday Nightmare II
They did this for us to save our relationship.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Holiday Nightmare II
So it might be used. Yeah, I know what it is. Yeah, me too.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Holiday Nightmare II
Because death was a part of this story.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Holiday Nightmare II
But then what does she get from it? The joy of a prank is to then be like, just kidding.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Holiday Nightmare II
I like you. I'm very impressed. I know that I would have felt fucked with, especially if I was in the middle of grief myself and had lost my mom. And then I was having these ashes and I'd be like, oh, I guess I got to do the right thing, even though I don't want to do this. And I got to help this other person. And then it was all a lot. I would be so pissed. So I'm impressed.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Holiday Nightmare II
Oh my God. Is it a famous painting?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Holiday Nightmare II
Wait, what happened? Did the fire, it was just from the fireplace?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Holiday Nightmare II
I mean, the whole house burning down.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Holiday Nightmare II
I mean, it really speaks to addiction in some ways because that wasn't his bottom and he kept going.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Holiday Nightmare II
Yes. Big shout out. Thank you for sharing that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Holiday Nightmare II
100% someone was going to get stuck under there.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Holiday Nightmare II
So they kept going back in there and doing it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Holiday Nightmare II
Oh, wow. More, more, more.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Holiday Nightmare II
It actually says her name on it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Holiday Nightmare II
And it also says the name of the painting, but my eyes are bad.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Holiday Nightmare II
How weird that he has the same one. How funny.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Holiday Nightmare II
Art.com, yeah. The dolly, like the melting clocks, and we didn't know it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Holiday Nightmare II
Anyway, well, happy holidays to all.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Holiday Nightmare II
The whole thing was a cautionary tale.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Holiday Nightmare II
Oh, my God. Yeah, that was Thanksgiving.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Holiday Nightmare II
Mimi, I don't remember. We've had some great stories over the years.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Holiday Nightmare II
Yeah, you're aging very gracefully.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Holiday Nightmare II
I'm so excited to listen to James, which is a new title by Percival Everett that is very, very hot right now.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Holiday Nightmare II
We love Audible. This is how you go to bed.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Holiday Nightmare II
Ready for the cooler months.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Holiday Nightmare II
It's had a real resurgence. I was just at a friend's house in Georgia and all the kids were playing this.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Holiday Nightmare II
OK, I think this is what I would have done. I would have written a note from Santa and it would have said something along the lines of Santa couldn't make it everywhere this year. And so he's coming back in a couple of days. OK.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Holiday Nightmare II
And in the meantime, the elves dropped off some trinkets. But the real presents are coming in a couple of days because he got in over his head.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cedar Point
Rob, that's you. Do you think in the future our faces will look like that?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cedar Point
I think in 100 years, that's what faces will look like. When the robots and the humans start having sex.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cedar Point
That must have been after his time.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cedar Point
He thinks he knows everything about Cedar Point.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cedar Point
And Six Flags, they have both. In one ride, they have both.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cedar Point
No, she needs to be bulked up a little bit. I also love that your husband is looking happy in the pictures knowing that the daughter is like passed out.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cedar Point
No, I'm not. You're not an aficionado. Let me talk. Okay.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cedar Point
That's a great start. I didn't even know that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cedar Point
We have wooden roller coasters at Six Flags. It's part of it. You got to write them. It's nostalgic. But it's not the one you tell people to go ride.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cedar Point
I'm sorry. Actually, we should have been able to guess based on the prompt.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cedar Point
Do you know about the Gemini? I don't know about that one. It's wooden. That's probably why. Oh, okay.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cedar Point
I don't know about the church group talking about wet butt cuts. Well, you never know. You never know, but I guess it's good you asked.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cedar Point
Oh, we just heard about Millennium Force.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cedar Point
Okay. You did not want to take accountability.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cedar Point
There was another passing out situation.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cedar Point
They also never were going to let her go off to the beach on her own. She's part of a youth group.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cedar Point
It's been great because Dax doesn't know that one.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cedar Point
It seems like you would have remembered this ride. I guess so.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cedar Point
I'm sorry you didn't get to go to the tallest fastest.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cedar Point
Take care. Have a good rest of your day.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cedar Point
All right. Well, so I'm just going to say that after this, I stand firm. I position on Cedar Point.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cedar Point
I can't promise you that because I like to stick to my promises.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cedar Point
Oh, my God. Is that what I want to do? A place you don't even want to go. Exactly. Add something to my list that I don't want to do?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cedar Point
Okay. Right? Do you think that's a good rule? That's more like volunteering at a hospital.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cedar Point
We did get just dropped off. Yeah, and it worked out. Six flags, much safer.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cedar Point
And then what do you do? Because everyone's screaming. This is like a comedy sketch.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cedar Point
Bathrooms. Bathrooms. That's all you have.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cedar Point
Oh, I already forgot you were separated from the girls.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cedar Point
I mean, they weren't watching the news at the campground.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cedar Point
That guy looked like Will Hunting a little bit.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cedar Point
Secret genius. You got a genius vibe? Secret genius. Okay, listen. I had a thought during that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cedar Point
Obviously, I checked out because this was a Cedar Point story.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cedar Point
Do you think that people were more religious pre-cell phone? Because you had to just pray instead of checking in on your sisters. Or calling for help. Or calling for help. You're like, Jesus, take the wheel, you know?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cedar Point
Okay, but for a while it had decreased.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cedar Point
At 24, I lost my narrative, or rather it was stolen from me. And the Monica Lewinsky that my friends and family knew was usurped by false narratives, callous jokes, and politics. I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cedar Point
So I think listeners can expect me to be chatting with folks, both recognizable and unrecognizable names, about the way that people have navigated roads to triumph. My hope is that people will finish an episode of Reclaiming and feel like they filled their tank up. They connected with the people that I'm talking to and leave with maybe some nuggets that help them feel a little more hopeful.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cedar Point
Follow Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to Reclaiming early and ad-free right now by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Unauthorized Evacuation
It's pretty. It's effective. It's effective. Efficient.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Unauthorized Evacuation
I turned 29 in a month. Holy shit!
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Unauthorized Evacuation
Brown out. That's what they call it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Unauthorized Evacuation
What would have stopping even done? And then everyone knows still about the poop.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Unauthorized Evacuation
No one knows what to do.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Unauthorized Evacuation
Like a fucking three year old.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Unauthorized Evacuation
Like staring directly at it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Unauthorized Evacuation
God, people do not know what to say.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Unauthorized Evacuation
It doesn't really roll off the top.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Unauthorized Evacuation
No, but we've said that before and then it's never him.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Unauthorized Evacuation
Oh, my God. He's ahead of his time.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Unauthorized Evacuation
You mean Swiss cake rolls?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Unauthorized Evacuation
I am too. And even when you scramble it, it has a beautiful color.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Unauthorized Evacuation
I think he shouldn't mention it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Unauthorized Evacuation
Well, she didn't say that. It was a little bit implied, but yeah. But now we know why.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Unauthorized Evacuation
I understand that you might think it, but I don't think you should ask.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Unauthorized Evacuation
And he said, why is it so wet?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Unauthorized Evacuation
Well, I think you did feel it, which is why it was racehorse, as you say, territory. It probably made it better.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Unauthorized Evacuation
Oh, my goodness. That sounds nice.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Unauthorized Evacuation
Did you consider saying, oh my God, babe, you shit everywhere. Jack. Oh my God. It's totally okay.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Unauthorized Evacuation
But wow, buddy, you really got it everywhere, but it's okay. Good job, Jack.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Unauthorized Evacuation
Oh, God. It's a disaster. Oh, God. Oh my God, I'm so stressed.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Unauthorized Evacuation
After he threw up everywhere?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Unauthorized Evacuation
Whatever. I'm just saying you can't then say don't be embarrassed after. You're of course going to be embarrassed.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Unauthorized Evacuation
Okay, great. Did he hold true to that?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Unauthorized Evacuation
What a story, though. I bet so many people have done this.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Unauthorized Evacuation
I'm excited to see how your height's going to impact the evacuation.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Unauthorized Evacuation
This is really fantastic.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Unauthorized Evacuation
The marinara analogy was really good. I can picture that. You know how it gets like behind the stove. How does it get behind the stove? It's so confusing.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Unauthorized Evacuation
Wow. That was spectacular. That was a big one.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Unauthorized Evacuation
Well, it's scary, too. It's like you just never know. You don't. Her stomach didn't even hurt.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Unauthorized Evacuation
Oof. You sent me a video of a woman shitting at a grocery store. Oh, yeah. And it's epic.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Unauthorized Evacuation
The like ice box, like open ice box in the middle.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Unauthorized Evacuation
Maybe she's the one that did it at the dining hall.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Unauthorized Evacuation
Yeah, I said, if I'm designing my kid, I'm making them have dimples and making you. How exciting.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Unauthorized Evacuation
No, because I hadn't until recently. So now it would be a lot. So, yeah, you're right.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Unauthorized Evacuation
I agree. There's the potential that we heard the craziest story we've heard or the most, the And also this particular group of armchairs, all four were incredible. They were incredible. Really special, fun group.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Unauthorized Evacuation
Because I think I might have gone to the milkshake and slipped.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Unauthorized Evacuation
And gotten it all over my pants.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Unauthorized Evacuation
Like, are you out in the Baskin Robbins? Like naked.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Unauthorized Evacuation
Oh, you went back? Oh my God.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Unauthorized Evacuation
Yes, I was going to. But we had a heading that was like, Alexander's no bad, very, whatever, that one. We did that once. This could have definitely been that. I thought the same thing.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Unauthorized Evacuation
You also just feel more human than you've ever, or more animalistic than you've ever felt.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Unauthorized Evacuation
Yeah. I was also on my period during my incident.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Unauthorized Evacuation
Yeah. You need to walk around with a helmet.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Unauthorized Evacuation
Those were big ones. Biggies, not a dud in the group.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Unauthorized Evacuation
It does, but if we heard it every week, I would be sick of it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Unauthorized Evacuation
This was great. They knocked it out. Knocked it out of the park. Thanks, Armcherry. All right, I love you. Love you.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Unauthorized Evacuation
Oh. Hold on a second. And you're staring at a bucket?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Unauthorized Evacuation
No. No, I did not. I just felt it kind of viscerally.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Unauthorized Evacuation
Because when I talk it. Okay.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Unauthorized Evacuation
There's a washing machine there. I might wash and stay.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Unauthorized Evacuation
This is smart. It must be a smart school.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Unauthorized Evacuation
Wait, what color were the pants?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Unauthorized Evacuation
You'd prefer black, but sure.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Unauthorized Evacuation
Also, your butt is like at most people's faces.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Unauthorized Evacuation
That's right. Plausible deniability.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Unauthorized Evacuation
I don't think it was yours.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Unauthorized Evacuation
I don't think it would have escaped the sock. You would have noticed it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Unauthorized Evacuation
Oh, if I broke my arm on somebody's poop, oof.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Unauthorized Evacuation
The smell and the look of it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Unauthorized Evacuation
Oh, it was the stairs at the dining. Oh, no, it's definitely you.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Unauthorized Evacuation
Oh, let's write that down. That's a great idea.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Unauthorized Evacuation
He reminds me of Zach Woods.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Unauthorized Evacuation
Oh, my God. He did have to. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Unauthorized Evacuation
I have to wait to listen. Oh, this is exciting.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Unauthorized Evacuation
Did you guys meet in college?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Unauthorized Evacuation
But we're not high school sweethearts.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Unauthorized Evacuation
I agree. Put that degree to use. Yeah, we were pretty good too.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Unauthorized Evacuation
Thanks for chatting with us. That was great. Thank you so much.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Unauthorized Evacuation
Mm-hmm. And we were just talking about redheads.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Unauthorized Evacuation
Oh, I should ask if she had dimples.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Unauthorized Evacuation
I was like, did Lincoln call? I get that a lot. You'll have to guess how old I am. Oh, this is a fun game, but I also want to see you.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Unauthorized Evacuation
I think she's going to be 29. I think she's 72.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Unauthorized Evacuation
Well, if she's 6, also, unauthorized evacuation is, like, not that funny.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Unauthorized Evacuation
I didn't want to, but it happened.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Unauthorized Evacuation
I was just in the house and our friend Anna, she had borrowed a sweater for me. It's blue and it's from Quince. It's gorgeous and it fits so well. And when she was wearing it, I was like, I want it back.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Public Transit
Thank you, brother. Take care. Bye. Hello.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Public Transit
Oh, my God. How cute. I didn't get the memo. The Monica.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Public Transit
Yes, I'm in Chicago. Oh, yeah. Can we presume this story is about the L? Yes.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Public Transit
Thank you. I know about the L because Matt Damon goes on it in Ocean's Eleven.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Public Transit
Because Matt Damon goes on it in Ocean's Eleven.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Public Transit
I was thinking about Matt Damon. You know, once I say his name, I do have a minute or two.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Public Transit
When I worked at the front desk at SoulCycle, sometimes there was an afternoon shift and there were breaks between the classes. And sometimes I would watch TV on the computer.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Public Transit
Is it fine? Yeah, that's natural. Right, Jess? I've never admitted that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Public Transit
That's where I thought it was going. This is worse.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Public Transit
I hope it's off of you now. Thanks for sharing that and really great sweatshirt. Just want to reiterate that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Public Transit
I want it. I can't have it. And it's okay. And life will continue. This is Buddhism.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Public Transit
Speaking of, you know, the arm cherry from last week's episode or a couple weeks ago, also a sweater, Japanese sweater that I really wanted. I did get the website. There's no way I can have it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Public Transit
No, you just can't really order it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Public Transit
I don't want to put out any armchairs, but I guess if you're in Japan.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Public Transit
They sure are. There's a lot that goes down on those public transports.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Public Transit
Yeah. One was like, okay, I'll just, yeah, forget it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Public Transit
Oh, God. Oh, God. Yeah, there's a pretty, there's a hard to listen to one in here. Don't listen.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Public Transit
And as we now know, teachers are just humans, too.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Public Transit
And I don't think I wanted it at that point either. That's the problem. She knew that when she stuck it up there.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Public Transit
Wow. Well, I'm sad you didn't get your money back, but that is a good story.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Public Transit
Have a great day. Watch some Netflix in there. Take a break. Yeah, I'm going to wait about 30 minutes before I get back out there.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Public Transit
At 24, I lost my narrative, or rather it was stolen from me. And the Monica Lewinsky that my friends and family knew was usurped by false narratives, callous jokes, and politics. I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Public Transit
So I think listeners can expect me to be chatting with folks, both recognizable and unrecognizable names, about the way that people have navigated roads to triumph. My hope is that people will finish an episode of Reclaiming and feel like they filled their tank up. They connected with the people that I'm talking to and leave with maybe some nuggets that help them feel a little more hopeful.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Public Transit
Follow Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to Reclaiming early and ad free right now by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: I Quit
Not to get hung up on this, but they're making the chicken sandwiches from a real chicken? Like, it's that good?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: I Quit
What is wrong with these people? They're going to poison the town like Ma and Nod Sheila.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: I Quit
Or Derek stole it and she felt so guilty and she knew he was taking the money. And so she started crying.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: I Quit
A friend of mine named Zoe who I haven't spoken to since September 4th, 2023.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: I Quit
You're always acting like you didn't get to do stuff. And you went to Hershey World.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: I Quit
Oh, those nurses, they're so sweet. They're just so on top of it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: I Quit
Yeah, maybe that was the hill that she chose. Now she's an advocate.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: I Quit
Allison Roman just had a baby. She did? Yes, and she sent me a picture, and he's so cute.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: I Quit
I kind of understand what you mean because they're so tasty.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: I Quit
Necrotic flesh? No, no, no, different. We just had another necrotic flesh.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: I Quit
Oh. Because it goes in your vagina? No, the beavers poop and then you eat it. Okay, I got it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: I Quit
He should never be allowed to drive again.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: I Quit
Why do you keep apologizing? These are normal things I'm saying.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: I Quit
No. I think I would know. I mean, sometimes I do have diarrhea. Take your temperature. I don't. You know why? I don't go in ponds.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: I Quit
Any water. Good thing I didn't get it when I almost drowned.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: I Quit
At 24, I lost my narrative, or rather it was stolen from me. And the Monica Lewinsky that my friends and family knew was usurped by false narratives, callous jokes, and politics. I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: I Quit
So I think listeners can expect me to be chatting with folks, both recognizable and unrecognizable names about the way that people have navigated roads to triumph. My hope is that people will finish an episode of Reclaiming and feel like they filled their tank up. They connected with the people that I'm talking to and leave with maybe some nuggets that help them feel a little more hopeful.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: I Quit
Follow Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to Reclaiming early and ad free right now by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Bad Proposals
At 24, I lost my narrative, or rather it was stolen from me. And the Monica Lewinsky that my friends and family knew was usurped by false narratives, callous jokes, and politics. I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Bad Proposals
So I think listeners can expect me to be chatting with folks, both recognizable and unrecognizable names about the way that people have navigated roads to triumph. My hope is that people will finish an episode of Reclaiming and feel like they filled their tank up. They connected with the people that I'm talking to and leave with maybe some nuggets that help them feel a little more hopeful.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Bad Proposals
Follow Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to Reclaiming early and ad-free right now by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple podcasts.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Bad Proposals
That's a nice thing you did for them.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Bad Proposals
We love you guys so much. Oh, hi. I was squeezing into the booth. You guys are so cute.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Bad Proposals
So nice to meet you all. We're so happy Liv got to tell her story. It was hysterical.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Bad Proposals
A little ahead. It took a while though.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Bad Proposals
It was so lovely to meet you guys. Yes, you guys too.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Bad Proposals
I could have gone that way. How would I?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Bad Proposals
So then I maybe I would be crying, but I would also be happy.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Bad Proposals
I mean, I guess then you're really hopped up. Your adrenaline is up. Aroused. You're aroused.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Bad Proposals
Because, no, she's said so many times.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Bad Proposals
The bottom will fall out at some point.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Bad Proposals
It did? Because to me, that could mean I'm going to kill you. It'll be over.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Bad Proposals
Oh, man. I'm so glad you got out of there.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Bad Proposals
Yeah, true. Did they give it to you for free? They should have at least done that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Bad Proposals
And hopefully Marie Callender's got you a cup of free meals.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Bad Proposals
I wasn't expecting it in a proposal story.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Bad Proposals
It's true. You just don't know. Do you want to tell your proposal story before we go? I bet people would want to hear that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Bad Proposals
Oh, good boss. That is a good boss. But he was upset.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Bad Proposals
Yeah. Please listen to this one. And happy Valentine's Day.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Bad Proposals
It was meant to pair up a little bit.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Bad Proposals
What are you going to do for Valentine's Day? Eat chocolates?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Bad Proposals
Do you think she was like, I don't want to go through with this?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Bad Proposals
Look at your sweater. Just for you guys and my earrings.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Bad Proposals
For a second, I thought they were tattoos. When I just first glanced, I thought those were your arms. No cherry tattoos yet.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Bad Proposals
Well, we did. My mom, no, my mom would sometimes...
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Bad Proposals
I think she would do something nice every now and then.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Bad Proposals
He wants to make an example out of you, too.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Bad Proposals
Why don't you tell them that on Valentine's Day? Be my Valentine. I'm not getting you anything.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Crazy Neighbors
And her coming over every 14 minutes.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Crazy Neighbors
Yeah, there should be some sort of mandate. If you're wreaking a lot of havoc, you have to go somewhere.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Crazy Neighbors
Yeah. The stakes are so high because the option is to move. Ugh.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Crazy Neighbors
Therapy is essential to me during the holidays especially because I generally am going home.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Crazy Neighbors
And I need sort of some stability from my therapy and guidance to stay nice.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Crazy Neighbors
I'm so excited to listen to James, which is a new title by Percival Everett that is very, very hot right now.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Crazy Neighbors
We love Audible. This is how you go to bed.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Crazy Neighbors
I'm so excited to listen to James, which is a new title by Percival Everett that is very, very hot right now.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Crazy Neighbors
We love Audible. This is how you go to bed.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Crazy Neighbors
Was she weird? What was her personality like in general?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Crazy Neighbors
They want shock. That's part of the thrill of doing that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Crazy Neighbors
Tommy Hilfiger, like maybe by a sailboat. Maybe Ralph Lauren even.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Crazy Neighbors
Oh my God, I want to squish that baby. Yeah, me too.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Crazy Neighbors
Absolutely. When I was in second grade, we had to do a project on a city and I really wanted to do it on Little Rock. But there was another girl in my class who was from Little Rock. And so she was competing with me and she won.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Crazy Neighbors
Yeah, like she's like, this is the gift to give new neighbors.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Crazy Neighbors
You did? Yeah, that's hilarious.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Crazy Neighbors
It is. Yeah. But also the broom kind of foreshadowing.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Crazy Neighbors
Because you needed to clean up eventually. Oh, okay.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Crazy Neighbors
We've got some nutty neighbors out there.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Crazy Neighbors
But they did. It's okay. I have a question. Why'd you kill Randy?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Crazy Neighbors
Yeah. Sarah, you have color-coded sweaters as I do in your closet. I do. That's how I decide what to wear.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Crazy Neighbors
But also, how is he deemed not a threat when he had just told you that he was about to blow up?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Crazy Neighbors
She feels like she's a wizard trying to pretend to be a muggle and is not doing a great job.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Crazy Neighbors
Yeah. Then I don't know what else more anyone could do. That's a full threat.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Crazy Neighbors
That would have been smart. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Crazy Neighbors
I did have an incident. I don't know who listens, so I don't want to say anything. And I wasn't involved, but there was an incident above me and there were cops. Also, at one of my other apartments, there was a sort of similar cops and firemen came because of a threatening their life situation. Yeah. I think people know I have a neighbor issue currently.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Crazy Neighbors
That's true. I had a neighbor for a second that was dating Zac Efron and her roommate was Sean Penn's daughter.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Crazy Neighbors
It was always like Allison saw him walking. I'm pretty sure his car was blocking my car and I couldn't go to my improv show.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Crazy Neighbors
Yeah, and one of them, last story, is intense.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Haven’t Confessed to Parents
Got to get the duty done.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Haven’t Confessed to Parents
I do think the Play-Doh would have been a good idea.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Haven’t Confessed to Parents
I think most people think, I want to forget this ever happened.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Haven’t Confessed to Parents
It does seem like something we'd have up here. Well, we're proud of you for taking care of Biz and also sharing. Figured if I'm going to share it at all, I should share it with the entire world.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Haven’t Confessed to Parents
How fun. Where are you? What part of the world?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Haven’t Confessed to Parents
Do you guys think we over-index in Los Feliz for secrets we haven't told parents?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Haven’t Confessed to Parents
They go to UCB to be funny and get over it. You just laugh their way through the shame.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Haven’t Confessed to Parents
I saw him on the stairs and he was struggling.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Haven’t Confessed to Parents
You got indignant. I'm dying and you're telling me to stop.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Haven’t Confessed to Parents
What if they started doing like a chest tube?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Haven’t Confessed to Parents
And having x-rays and oh my God.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Haven’t Confessed to Parents
What's the lesson here?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Haven’t Confessed to Parents
Did you say you faked it?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Haven’t Confessed to Parents
The things we do to survive a moment, I get it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Haven’t Confessed to Parents
wow, the heart attack.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Haven’t Confessed to Parents
You acted like you hated the idea of getting sympathy, but you don't.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Haven’t Confessed to Parents
You like sympathy because you left blood out for people to see.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Haven’t Confessed to Parents
This story is that Kristen walked in and saw in the trash can there was all this bloody.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Haven’t Confessed to Parents
Right. I put it on top. Hold it up and put it on top.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Haven’t Confessed to Parents
I don't have that. Although in cheerleading, I guess there was an element of you did need to suck it up and move on. And that was a compliment.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Haven’t Confessed to Parents
You live just a stone's throw away from where we are right now.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Haven’t Confessed to Parents
Yeah, yeah, a little bit.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Haven’t Confessed to Parents
I also love poutine.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Haven’t Confessed to Parents
There's a secret they still haven't confessed to their parents. They're still harboring a secret. Oh my gosh, I'm so sorry about that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Haven’t Confessed to Parents
I still don't know that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Haven’t Confessed to Parents
I think not everyone knows that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Haven’t Confessed to Parents
Did you take the rocket out? No, it's still in there. Okay.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Haven’t Confessed to Parents
And you never confess. You just stood strong.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Haven’t Confessed to Parents
Did your brother try to rat you out?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Haven’t Confessed to Parents
We hope you have a great rest of your day.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Haven’t Confessed to Parents
Well, that was fun. I wonder if this will instigate a slew of people confessing stuff to their parents.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Haven’t Confessed to Parents
If they find out now, you mean? Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Haven’t Confessed to Parents
All right. Well, love you.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Haven’t Confessed to Parents
People had a lot on their chest and they were able to relieve it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Haven’t Confessed to Parents
It could have been a squirrel.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Haven’t Confessed to Parents
They're very... They're very, yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Haven’t Confessed to Parents
There's one. There's a. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Haven’t Confessed to Parents
A little squirrely, but kind of like that movie Parasite where they live in the basement. It's like the burglars lived in the basement for the day and then snuck back out. Something like that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Haven’t Confessed to Parents
Why wouldn't they just say, hey, we know it was you?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Haven’t Confessed to Parents
Unless you love your parents so much that you'll feel a lot of guilt.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Haven’t Confessed to Parents
Would you believe a squirrel?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Haven’t Confessed to Parents
God, I hope not. He saw Parasite and he's like, I lived this. Yes. This is my life.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Haven’t Confessed to Parents
Oh, well, thanks for sharing. I hope you feel relieved. It's off your chest now.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Haven’t Confessed to Parents
Remember when you said Mr. Beans?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Haven’t Confessed to Parents
Such an old reference. It was.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Haven’t Confessed to Parents
It's the right visual. Isn't he in a suit?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Haven’t Confessed to Parents
It appreciated with crashes?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Haven’t Confessed to Parents
With Vince V. Loof?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Haven’t Confessed to Parents
At 24, I lost my narrative, or rather it was stolen from me. And the Monica Lewinsky that my friends and family knew was usurped by false narratives, callous jokes, and politics. I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Haven’t Confessed to Parents
So I think listeners can expect me to be chatting with folks, both recognizable and unrecognizable names about the way that people have navigated roads to triumph. My hope is that people will finish an episode of Reclaiming and feel like they filled their tank up. They connected with the people that I'm talking to and leave with maybe some nuggets that help them feel a little more hopeful.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Haven’t Confessed to Parents
Follow Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to Reclaiming early and ad-free right now by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple podcasts.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Haven’t Confessed to Parents
That's how I know about it. Yes, and Melissa Rycroft was on that. She was from The Bachelor, so I really enjoyed that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Embarrassingly Caught
I'm like, what am I doing? Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Embarrassingly Caught
Hey, everyone. It's your girl, Kiki Palmer. Did you know I host a podcast called Baby, This is Kiki Palmer? And you're not going to believe the conversations I've had. Like, is OnlyFans only bad? How has dating changed in the digital age? What's the deal with Disney adults? I've talked to John Stamos, the VP, Kamala Harris, to Jordan Peele, Raven Simone, and yes, the one and only Jameela Jamil.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Embarrassingly Caught
And just wait until you hear our conversation. We talk Twitter drama, bad dates, and then something. How the hell do you actually get sexy? Like, what the hell does that mean? Like, I know how to be funny. I know how to be like, you know what I'm saying? Exactly. Like, I don't really know how to be like, and take your clothes. I'm not robbing fucking Givens.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Embarrassingly Caught
You know, it's like, how do people do that? I've been in this situation too many times and not felt any of those things. Yes. The dumb eyes, the quiet. Like, I've never been quiet a moment in my fucking life. Yes. On Baby, This is Kiki Palmer, no topic is off limits. Follow Baby, This is Kiki Palmer on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Embarrassingly Caught
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Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cults II
At 24, I lost my narrative, or rather it was stolen from me. And the Monica Lewinsky that my friends and family knew was usurped by false narratives, callous jokes, and politics. I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cults II
So I think listeners can expect me to be chatting with folks, both recognizable and unrecognizable names about the way that people have navigated roads to triumph. My hope is that people will finish an episode of Reclaiming and feel like they filled their tank up. They connected with the people that I'm talking to and leave with maybe some nuggets that help them feel a little more hopeful.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cults II
Follow Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to Reclaiming early and ad free right now by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cults II
Yeah, but they're not trying to recruit, which I find interesting.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cults II
To me, there is nothing more impressive than shedding an old life and starting fresh again.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cults II
Yes, she wrote a book. She did leave her family. I'm just in awe of people who can do that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cults II
It's very hard. Well, can my husband come say hi?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cults II
Well, because wasn't the Rajneeshies, that was Oregon too. That was Eastern Oregon, yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cults II
Hi. You're trying it out. It doesn't sound right on you.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cults II
No, it makes sense. It got so granular that the bigger picture was crazy.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cults II
Yeah, I did it at the Celebrity Center.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cults II
I wasn't joining. We had had an improv show at UCB, which is across the street. Yeah, across the street. Sorry to commandeer this.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cults II
The Scientology Center had a recruitment day, and it was exciting, and they had a fair. And we were like, we're going to go.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cults II
As a bit, but also what are they going to say? Yeah, yeah, yeah. What is this like?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cults II
Yeah. We all went to this movie theater and there was a woman there who was in charge of us. She was very odd, I would say. And then we watched this crazy movie about Scientology. It's not produced considering the people who are involved in Scientology.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cults II
act in the movie at the very least famous writers have been involved exactly then they separated us all and then we had to do the thing with the hands and then they told us they asked you some questions they asked questions and it is how much you're holding how much you're not it's very primitive psychology for like a lie detector test yeah it's a polygraph yeah but even way more basic than that anyway okay so it sounds like a similar setup
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cults II
So she didn't go very far. Oh my God. She was also probably in perimenopause and her hormones.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cults II
And that these engineers are involved. I know that's a stereotype, but I guess I imagine how could an engineer get trapped into this?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cults II
Once they've died. Yeah, once or they're getting close. Then you love it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cults II
I'm surprised they weren't like, we got to get out of here. No one's even being nice to us.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cults II
We think teachers who do get paid don't get paid enough.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cults II
Was that boyfriend part of this? No, he wasn't. When you were around other people, were you like embarrassed to talk about it?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cults II
Definitely. But I think probably at some point, whether she started off believing it, I'm sure at some point she did believe she was channeling this person. I don't think you can keep that up for that long if it's a full ruse.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cults II
Yeah, I mean, not to get so Buddhist, but we are all sort of buying into our identities all the time. It's not that much of a stretch to believe something about yourself and then just be it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cults II
I'm sure it will help a lot of people. You never know who's listening, who might be like in a bad situation and needs to be heard and seen.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cults II
They all do almost the same thing. The arranged marriage piece is interesting that that's come up multiple times. The beating you down.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cults II
Maybe take a second glance. My teeth look really white.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cults II
If you want to have white teeth, just join this email.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cults II
Then you'd be laughing at me and then I'd cry.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cults II
I understand how it happens. You're there and it's what you know. But it's so amazing what the brain does that it can't just pull out for a minute. But they do a good job of saying it's not a cult.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cults II
They always get you with the vegetarian dinner. We had somebody else on talking about this.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cults II
Okay, but the reason you weren't is because you had an environment that also was opposite that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cults II
Yeah, so if everyone you know is doing one thing, there's no way.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cults II
Exactly. And that's what you always wanted.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cults II
It can be that crazy if all these people are here. That's right.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cults II
This is tough. It's tough out there. It is. We learned a lot. There's some real through lines.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cults II
Well, exactly. That's what I was about to say.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cults II
And if you're a vegetarian, you're in a cult.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cults II
Oh, it's so classic. So do we think he did drug you guys?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cults II
All right, take care. Bye-bye. As someone who saw grand lady hands, grandma hands, that's what she saw.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Cults II
Maybe that's why, because they can technically get away with it. It's technically legal.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Wild Card VII
Follow Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to Reclaiming early and ad-free right now by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Wild Card VII
Billy is the reason you're in this situation.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Wild Card VII
Why do they need to continue? Why can't they do what he did with Billy? I don't know that part.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Wild Card VII
Oh, wow. This is a horrible honeymoon. It was great.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Wild Card VII
I'm not following all the logistics of why he couldn't just bring you back up. I don't know either.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Wild Card VII
And I'm going to say your husband is a wimp.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Wild Card VII
My honeymoon is going to be... In a spa.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Wild Card VII
Well, you want a little risk. That's the kind of risk I'm willing to take.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Wild Card VII
She was like, you have the worst luck. So no one else had this. Wow. Just me. Oh, I would be so freaked out with the hand starting to crawl down.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Wild Card VII
I would have done the same thing. I would have thought the breast part was cultural.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Wild Card VII
Massage Stories was our first Armchair Anonymous. I know, and I missed the prompt. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Wild Card VII
Oh, man. Well, thank you so much. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Wild Card VII
I wanted to tell her that she could go by Lilibet.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Wild Card VII
The Queen of England. Her name was Elizabeth.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Wild Card VII
And her husband and family called her Lilibet.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Wild Card VII
Anyone listening, just knock on wood right about now.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Wild Card VII
Uh-huh. Roll of. Royal. The dice. Casino Royale.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Wild Card VII
Well, it was a thing we did at mess hall. You could roll the dice and they would bring you a drink and you wouldn't know what it was. I love that.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Wild Card VII
In Georgia, you can't go in the pond or the lake.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Wild Card VII
I think necrotic flesh is worse than what I felt.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Wild Card VII
Yeah, I think this is like the shark, the beast.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Wild Card VII
These are the worst and the best.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Wild Card VII
Oh man, I'm sad that happened to her.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Wild Card VII
They could have done an episode of Magic School Bus where they go into the wound in the bus.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Wild Card VII
At 24, I lost my narrative, or rather it was stolen from me. And the Monica Lewinsky that my friends and family knew was usurped by false narratives, callous jokes, and politics. I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Wild Card VII
So I think listeners can expect me to be chatting with folks, both recognizable and unrecognizable names about the way that people have navigated roads to triumph. My hope is that people will finish an episode of Reclaiming and feel like they filled their tank up. They connected with the people that I'm talking to and leave with maybe some nuggets that help them feel a little more hopeful.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Sports Event
This was a bait and switch. We thought it was going to be a bad seafood, but it's a bad burger.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Sports Event
Yeah, there you go. You should have gone seafood.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Sports Event
Jack and the Beanstalk and James and the Giant Peach.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Sports Event
Roald Dahl. Roald Dahl. You know, I have an original Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Sports Event
oh yeah mother scratcher what an imagination very into him i wish i could remember the details of why he moved it to peach yeah oh it's in the paradise show oh wow that's why i know that a peach makes more sense because i don't know because i grew up in georgia because for me it's more relevant oh
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Sports Event
You would have remembered if it was a cherry.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Sports Event
But when I got home for Christmas, my dad picked me up from the airport and I was like, ugh. I wish it would snow. And it has not snowed there in so long. And he was like, yeah, that's not gonna happen. And then in his sim mind, he was like, oh, but I'm gonna do it as soon as you leave. So sorry, or you're welcome.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Sports Event
Literally, I started hysterically crying. That's a lot of bad energy toward you.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Sports Event
Ask me. Ask me. You should have been like, he abuses me. He saved me with my sister. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Sports Event
Oh my God. It's a little bit of hubris. It's a little bit like you went in quite cocky and then you did get taken down. Tell me about it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Sports Event
A hundred percent. I would never have said yes.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Sports Event
Oh, if Arena was booing me, I would still be under the covers. Like for real. I have to pee. That made me have to pee.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Sports Event
Yeah, you're all right over there?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Sports Event
Definitely. But the Super Bowl is a big deal.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Sports Event
They can go disastrous in a lot of ways. You can jinx them.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Sports Event
Well, they do it everywhere. No, they don't do it there.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Sports Event
Or I guess I would think they're all fights that broke out.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Sports Event
I don't like that. They're just trying to cheer.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Sports Event
They just had sex in the bathroom.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Sports Event
At 24, I lost my narrative, or rather it was stolen from me. And the Monica Lewinsky that my friends and family knew was usurped by false narratives, callous jokes, and politics. I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Sports Event
So I think listeners can expect me to be chatting with folks, both recognizable and unrecognizable names about the way that people have navigated roads to triumph. My hope is that people will finish an episode of Reclaiming and feel like they filled their tank up. They connected with the people that I'm talking to and leave with maybe some nuggets that help them feel a little more hopeful.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Little League/Coaching
I'm in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Little League/Coaching
It's spreading there. I've been proselytizing you guys to everyone I know.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Little League/Coaching
Not yet. I have a five-year-old son. He's about to start playing basketball.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Little League/Coaching
It's from Etsy. So it's not off your website.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Little League/Coaching
So that's awesome. I'll be on the lookout.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Little League/Coaching
So this story takes place in 1994, small town, Oklahoma. I was nine years old. My brother, he's five years older than me. So he had been playing Little League for several years before I got to the age where I was ready to start playing. I loved every part of being at his games and my dad was always his coach.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Little League/Coaching
So my parents just kind of thought, well, we'll throw her in Little League with the boys versus softball. I was all for that. So I I was a decent player. I was pitcher for my teams most of the time.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Little League/Coaching
I didn't throw super hard, but I was really accurate and consistent. But because I was pretty good, I hadn't really had a whole lot of boys teasing me about being a girl on the team or anything like that yet. But one day we were about to play a game and me and my teammates were warming up.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Little League/Coaching
And this kid from the other team comes over and he says something to the effect of, you guys have a girl on your team. We're going to kill you guys. Like girls suck at sports, basically, is what he was saying.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Little League/Coaching
Exactly. Yeah. I was pretty pissed. And my dad, he was an assistant coach on this team and he saw that I was pretty upset. He asked me what the kid said and I told him and he said, well, what do you think you're going to do? And I said, well, I'll just strike him out every time he comes up. Yeah, that's right. My dad said, well, I think he needs to learn a lesson.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Little League/Coaching
These are two approaches. Two good options. So I'm pitching that game and this kid comes up in like the third inning, which tells you that he sucks. Yeah. Oh, I hate this kid.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Little League/Coaching
I didn't feel bad for him. It pissed me off even more because he thought he was automatically better than me. Exactly. Because I was a girl. So anyways, third inning, kid comes up and I start pitching to him. I pitch the first pitch straight down the middle. The kid swings and misses. Second pitch, same thing. I throw it right down the middle. He swings and misses. So I've got two strikes on him.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Little League/Coaching
No balls. Right before I throw the third pitch, I look over at my dad face he nods his head up and down like yeah you know what to do i love your dad this is uncharacteristic of you monica you're voting for violence this is not like right yeah you never go for violence this is my role this little shit deserves it third pitch i throw it as hard as i possibly can right at this kid's body
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Little League/Coaching
I didn't throw it at his head. I wasn't trying to kill him. That was nice of you.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Little League/Coaching
You could have, but you showed some mercy. The kid panics when he sees the ball coming at him, and instead of turning away from it, he opens his body to it, and it just lands right in the middle of his chest. Everyone can hear the thud. And he immediately falls to the ground, he throws his bat, and he just starts bawling crying.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Little League/Coaching
That, I do know, is what the product of this was. The umpire was finally like, hey, you can take your base to first base. And about that time, his mom had come down out of the stands, out onto the field, and took the kid out of the game, and they left completely. The country? Maybe. Amongst all of that drama, I looked up in the stands to my mom, and she was pissed off, like I could tell.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Little League/Coaching
Well, she knew I had done it on purpose. She had a hunch that he was behind the whole thing.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Little League/Coaching
So later that night, we got a pretty good lecture about how terrible the lesson that is for a nine-year-old. Uh-huh. Fair.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Little League/Coaching
But I felt vindicated. I loved every second of it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Little League/Coaching
Well, the funniest part of this story is years later, I ended up having a one-night stand with this guy. No! Stop it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Little League/Coaching
Did you give him blue balls? Was this like a long game? I ended up going to high school with him. And when this all happened, I didn't make the connection at this time. I didn't realize it was the same kid until later on. And I don't know if he made the connection either. Obviously, he wasn't too bad about it.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Little League/Coaching
Let's just say he was about as good and bad as he was at playing baseball.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Little League/Coaching
That's crazy. What would you do in that situation, Dax, if a kid said something to one of your girls?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Little League/Coaching
I want to say something real quick before I go. I know you don't like talking about day seven, but May of 2022, I was in a gnarly relapse. And one day I had a particularly bad night. And the next day I was home alone and decided to listen to day seven again.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Little League/Coaching
And when you started talking about how it just hit you all of a sudden that you needed to get honest with Kristen and Monica, that set with me. And it was just like, oh, my God, I have to get honest with my wife and everyone. And so later that night, I told her everything I'd been hiding. And a week later, I got into treatment and I've been sober ever since.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Little League/Coaching
It's great. In fact, we're going through some tough stuff with my son right now. And I'm like, thank God I'm sober, man. It would be...
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Little League/Coaching
Yes, of course. You guys take care. You too.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Meet Cute II
I didn't. And see, when I tell you they exist, I can always point to Sean now.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Meet Cute II
That was really sweet, and I feel hopeful.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Meet Cute II
Does it feel a little like, why'd they have to name it that?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Meet Cute II
Wait a minute. Oh, my God. This is a lot.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Meet Cute II
Yeah, because this is Sim and Meet Cute. It's so exciting.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Meet Cute II
Also, I had an idea because I was watching ER. Stories of you learn something from watching TV or a movie and it changed your life.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Meet Cute II
There was an episode with this guy who came in and he had hiccups. And I was like, oh, weird. And then turned out it was really, really bad. I mean, TV can say a lie.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Meet Cute II
No. Also was, was. No. Wow, Derek and Herrick?
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Armchair Anonymous: Meet Cute II
No, that's Merrick. This is Herrick.
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Armchair Anonymous: Meet Cute II
We love a meet cute. It's very hopeful and sweet, and we need to throw those in.
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Armchair Anonymous: Meet Cute II
Probably never would have happened. That's a good point. I hate to give the dog any credit.
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I feel like we've talked to just a lot of them, but I love them. You guys are a great group.
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Oh, it's so good. Okay, so we can't really speak on it. Although I've never been to Cedar Point, so I can't either.
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Armchair Anonymous: Meet Cute II
Well, thank you so much for chatting.
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Armchair Anonymous: Meet Cute II
It's great meeting you guys too. All right. Have a good day. Take care. Bye. Okay, two things. Yes. One, when she talked about going up onto the stairs, I was like, is this gonna be a staircase sex story?
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One we've been waiting for. And then also, it reminded me, like, do men have this? Or boys, when you have a crush, you really want a piece of clothing? No. Okay, that's a women's thing. Like, you really want that shirt.
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Because you definitely don't have that.
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Armchair Anonymous: Meet Cute II
I know. It must mean something horrible about my personality that all it does is make me say it. Drives you away. Absolutely not.
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Armchair Anonymous: Meet Cute II
Is this from a psychology class? This is wild.
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I think you look like Rob McElhaney.
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Armchair Anonymous: Meet Cute II
Do you watch Severance? It looks like you're in that welcoming room where she delivers information.
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Armchair Anonymous: Meet Cute II
This test had the school in a frenzy.
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Armchair Anonymous: Meet Cute II
I wonder who else got married from this.
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Well, also because you don't have to know what it feels like to be marginalized. So like if you're on the other end of someone just grouping you in, you're just intellectually aware that that's wrong.
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there's just room now for more niche stories. Like when it was just the network TV shows.
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And I'm scared that some people will really think that's how it works.
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I was just in the house and our friend Anna, she had borrowed a sweater for me. It's blue and it's from Quince. It's gorgeous and it fits so well. And when she was wearing it, I was like, I want it back.
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I think before it used to be it was hard to have. It was limited because it was fancy. But I still think there's something to be said about wanting something limited or that you can't have. But now it's like you make a reservation and you go pick it up in an alley and they drop it off to you. And it's like a secret thing. And it's not fancy, but it's still like exciting and exclusive.
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Oh, let's bring, yeah, let's bring that guy in.
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I think what's also tricky about gambling specifically is if you're a successful person or you have the brain of someone who pushes themselves and is motivated and wants to be a successful person, you are gambling. Like we've all gambled with our lives. We moved to L.A. with no money to try to be an actor. Like that's a gamble.
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And I mean, so it's that balance, right? Of knowing when to gamble and when you can't.
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Um, I guess with time, things will just wear away at you, you know?
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Yeah. I would drive so far. I would just be on social media or the website or something like find out where it's going to be that day and go. It's so.
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Taste May, that's where my tiny... Tiny kitchen, yeah. Tiny kitchen was on, yeah.
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Every now and then. Do you know the history of teddy bear? Oh, my God, no.
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Oh, my God. Teddy bear. Isn't that wild? That's crazy. You know so much.
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Oh, my God. First he was a sickly boy, then a learned man, and then a cowboy?
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This is a ding, ding, ding because we actually talked about that in this episode.
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I just want people to know that none of this is real, just in case.
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Well, why? Why is it only the dad that gets to move up?
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We should get Vincent a teddy bear. Ding, ding, ding.
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That just got added to the sim. That wasn't a thing.
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What did it say? Would a polar bear be a grizzly?
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So would you say that if you're a polar bear, I'm a grizzly bear?
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But they're so cute. They go down to the babies, go down the slide.
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Oh, I love them. Okay, but you're the bear expert. You're the bear expert. So I'll take your word for it that I'm a black bear. Is it a boy thing? To be into bears?
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Well, I mean, I hate to do this, but stereotypically, you said you changed it to animals. And that makes me think, no, it's actually not a boy thing. Because girls love animals.
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Okay. Speaking of like stereotypes and gender, I have a sad story.
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It's kind of, I guess it's unethical because I'm really just going to tell a story that The Daily told.
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Yeah. Are you sure they were mad or were they like, oh, this was also, because when I told Erica, she was like, oh, I heard that on the Daily. That's so awesome. I'm excited to listen.
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Okay. So there was a very powerful daily from last week about Ukraine. And they spoke to a few different men involved. And it's just like, it is so heartbreaking, the whole thing. And just regular people who just have to like... One guy was just like working and bringing food to his office and then he had to go.
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And then, but for me, like the saddest one was this guy who is gay and is like, I never picked up a gun. I don't want anything to do with that. I'm not violent. He like tried to get to Poland and they said no because he was a man. And he's like, but I don't want it. I can't do it. I don't have the constitution for it.
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And it made me just so sad that it was like, well, you're a man, so.
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But I, yeah, I disagree. I mean, I think if you are a man who has evolved to do that, then yes, please. Like now is the time, please stand up, please help. But not everyone has.
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I think people should stay to defend the country if they believe they can.
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You know, because I think some women also are like, yeah, I fucking can. And they are. Some are. But also, I don't think it's fair to classify all men as capable of that.
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No, no, you are. I just think it's too complicated to put a blanket on it and say men.
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Right, but I think it's okay if you're a man who's like, I'm too scared for this.
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But they may just not want to get killed. And that's okay to be a man who doesn't want to get killed.
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No, I just don't think it's black and white. I think that's exactly what I'm saying.
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No, no, I get that. I mean, I guess a small part of me is like, why don't why don't you let the people leave who want to leave? And then there are people here who want to go like let them go.
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I don't know. It just, it's sad. It's just so sad. I hate it.
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I don't like this option. Like, I agree. I don't think this is a good option.
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It's my personal disposition to be like, there's a big bully and we're a strong person on the playground.
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And like, we gotta do more to help the vulnerable person.
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That's awesome. Also, there's like all these small independent ventures people are doing. Like you can like put money in Airbnb. I gave some money. It can go directly to the people.
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And I think Etsy is the same. Etsy shops and stuff like that.
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I'm sure this is hard. All right, switching gears.
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Roy Choi. This is one of my favorite interviews in a long time. A mix of things, like so fun, like a great person to be around, but also very vulnerable and open and so smart. I just really enjoyed it.
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And like we do talk about this, but I guess it's hard to do when someone's sitting there. Like the Kogi truck is... Like you don't know, you don't live in LA and you don't know him. You might not, you might just say, oh, this is just like a chef who has a food truck. Like it's an enormous institution here. Anyway. Okay. I said last time we did the fact check. Oh, Sedona. I was in Sedona.
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Okay, we lost most. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So if you're wondering what happened on the fact check last time, because it starts kind of abruptly, we lost half.
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Oh, yeah, it was incredible. It was for Laura's bachelorette party, and we stayed at Enchantment Resort, which is enchanting as ever.
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Oh, it was posted. Oh, it was? Yeah. I didn't post it.
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Wait, I want to hear from you what is- You look six years old.
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I don't like that picture because my neck looks bad, really bad. And also it's deceiving. It looks like I drank so much White Claw that I like passed out.
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And that is not what happened. There was like three sips out of that White Claw. And really that whole time I was like trying to sleep and trying not to puke.
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Yeah, on that bus. It wasn't my favorite ride, two and a half hours of my life, but that's okay.
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I think it was because we just got off the plane. Like something about all the different motion, and I don't know. Because I was actually fine on the ride back.
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Anyway, so the last fact check, we didn't have time to go through the Playboy article, but I said we would do it this time.
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The headline is, oh, this is a nine-minute read. It tells you. That's cool. The comic turned actor, parentheses, and drugged out bad boy turned vegan gentleman on failure and success.
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Yeah, 2012. Is success what you thought it would be? Oh, God, no. What if I try to do an impression? Do it. No, I can't.
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Oh, God, no. But it's impossible to know until you've had success that it doesn't alter your daily struggles. When I was a struggling groundling, I thought if I had the life I have now, I wouldn't have to brush my teeth anymore and I could eat cupcakes all day.
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In fact, I have to do the same shit I've always had to do to not feel miserable, which is work out, journal, eat well, do something for somebody other than myself at some point every day, even if it's just the dogs, those little fuckers.
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So was that really you driving like an outlaw in hit and run?
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100%. I'm from Detroit and my life has been driving cars. In high school, it was drag racing. Then I worked for GM because my mother had a company that put on big car shows for journalists. We'd rent out Michigan International Speedway and I got tons and tons of seat time in these crazy cars that a 16-year-old should never be allowed to drive.
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I fucking love cars and I've wanted to do a car chase movie all my life.
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It's like weird to say fucking knowing it's in an article. Playboy. But it's Playboy.
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Okay, three. Correct us again, but it also appears that your super hot, super famous co-star and fiance, Kristen Bell, was actually buckled in alongside you for every bit of it. Naturally, the producer had booked a stunt double, but Kristen said to me, no, if you're driving through a barn and jumping other cars, I need to be there with you. We're going to go out together.
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Yes. She sounds like a keeper. How terrifying were you exactly? It's so weird when you turn 18 and are released into the world and then just start piling on terrible habits. From 18 to 29, I was a heavy smoker, heavy drinker, drug addict, terrible eater, and philanderer.
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The past eight years since I got sober have honestly been about trying to peel back each of those habits to get back to the 12-year-old kid inside who was tremendously excited about life. Give us a snapshot of you in your party years.
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I just loved to get fucked up. Drinking, cocaine, opiates, marijuana, diet pills, pain pills, everything. Mostly my love was Jack Daniels and cocaine. I was famous for going out on Thursday night to have a couple of beers and that just led all the way to Saturday night. I would meet people here and there and then I'd be in a hotel room with four strangers. Oh, they're tapping out?
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Well, someone new showed up. Well, what's your name? Yeah, I love to go dancing. I lived for going down the rabbit hole of meeting weird people. Of course, come Monday, I would be tallying up all the different situations, and each one got progressively more dangerous. I got lucky in that I didn't go to jail.
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I got lucky in that I didn't go to jail. Or worse, says the person. And you said, oh, God, yeah. My nose is completely sideways from a drunken altercation. I'm missing a knuckle because of a drunken altercation. Somehow, I was usually able to get sober for work. I got sober for my first movie without a paddle, but then I was fucked up.
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I got sober for Idiocracy, but then I was fucked up for three months. Then right before I started Zathura, I knew I would get sober for that, so I went to Hawaii to relax, and that's when things went from bad to worse. I ended up in a car accident with a local on the way to get Coke, which didn't stop us from going to get Coke. Then it wasn't Coke, it was crystal meth, but I did it anyway.
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Eight, how exactly did you get a big Hollywood career?
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Yeah, exactly. Well, I spent many, many years unemployed. I was 20 when I moved to Los Angeles. I went on probably 600 commercial auditions and couldn't book any of them. I went through the groundlings. Everyone there had agents but me, and it was a ridiculously amazing group.
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I was there with Melissa McCarthy, who was nominated for an Oscar, Octavia Spencer, who won an Oscar, Tate Taylor, who directed The Help. Success is just a war of attrition. Sure, there's an element of talent you should probably possess, but if you stick around long enough, eventually something's going to happen, you know?
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You first got people's attention as a pretend IRS agent who made Justin Timberlake cry on MTV's Punk'd. What was that like? That makes sense. Yeah. 10, you studied anthropology at UCLA. Ding, ding, ding. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. Oh, this is interesting. What's your anthropological assessment of Ashton Kutcher's success?
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I guess that's true, but when we get interviewed, they ask us all the time, can you explain the success of this show? What is it about this show that's made... Yeah, but why are you asking me about Ashton Kutcher? Well, people ask about you to me.
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Like, what is it about... And maybe they'll say y'all.
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We are incredibly social animals and we're constantly searching. Well, see, this is, you went anthropological.
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You followed the rules. We are incredibly social animals and we're constantly searching for some order of who's alpha, who's beta, who's zeta. Ashton's definitely an alpha. People want to dislike him because he's gorgeous and successful. It's fair to hate somebody like that. I relate. If he wasn't a crazy driven hard worker, I would find it all offensive. But he's like Tyler Perry.
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How do you not respect Tyler Perry? It's easy to make jokes about the guy, but he writes, directs, and stars on a TV show, then writes, directs, and stars in a movie all in one year. And certainly once you actually get to know somebody, it demystifies them and everything they go through. When Ashton and Demi broke up, I felt bad. These are people I eat dinner with.
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Brad and Angelina, that's another story. I don't actually know them, so I'm as curious as the next person. Will they get married? What's their life like? And of course, I would love to see them engaged in coitus. Okay.
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Okay. Okay. You realize people have said that about you and every famous, beautiful woman you've dated. I get that. People want to see us bang. People want to see us bang. But here's the funny thing about the response I've been aware of to my dating famous people. It's been very negative. I'm either not good-looking enough, not a good enough actor, or not successful enough for these people.
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It's ironic, really. Guys should be excited that I got Kristen Bell. If Brad Pitt gets Kristen Bell, it's like, well, of course he did. With me, it should be, oh, good, a normal-looking guy got her. Maybe I'll get me a Kristen Bell. But guys hate my guts for always dating women I have no right to be with. What's your secret? I attribute it to being funny and a good dancer.
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And I'm tall, which will get you places as well. I'm also wired for it. The times my brain works fastest are when I'm doing improv on a stage or meeting co-eds in a bar.
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You picked a career in which you're surrounded by gorgeous women. Okay, also this is Playboy. Let's just remember that. There is a reason perhaps that a lot of the questions skew this way.
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Yeah. It's interesting for me because I don't know you as that. I don't know you as someone who's famous because of who you dated. Right.
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Well, I saw you in Punk'd, but I didn't like know you.
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It's definitely changed. You picked a career in which you're surrounded by gorgeous women. Does the urge to merge ever go away?
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Oh, no, it doesn't. I wish it did magically. This is overly deep, but I have to put woman in the same category. I put drugs and alcohol. It's an outside thing that I try to use to make my insides feel better. And I've learned that it just doesn't work. I have to keep my urges in check.
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Because I'm in touch with myself. What's your relationship like with Craig T. Nelson, your TV dad on Parenthood? Craig T. Nelson is the coolest person I've met. My identical twin. Only we're separated by 30 years or whatever. He's raced cars forever. We both have big noses. We're both tall. We're both goofy. We've both been around a lot of craziness.
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He's a guy I super fan at work the way I super fan Burt Reynolds, whom I got to work with on Without a Paddle. Burt Reynolds? All the way. My house is a living shrine to Burt, much to KB's chagrin. I have a urinal. You do?
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I have a urinal and above it is a poster of Gator with a personal message that says, to Dax, you're a hell of an actor, but more important, a hell of a man. Love and respect. I would go to his trailer every day just to hound him for stories because I had so many unanswered questions.
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Like Jackie Gleason was a very well-known and admitted functioning alcoholic, yet 80% of Smokey and the Bandit is him traveling at high speed. It's clearly him driving and it begs the question, what were the safety protocols when Gleason was driving? Bert's answers were implausible. The physics of what he told me couldn't happen, but who gives a shit? They were great stories. I love that man.
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Did you feel that way about John Travolta when you were in Old Dogs? Well, they say you shouldn't meet your heroes, and that's probably good advice unless you employ the strategy of hanging onto your daydream of who they are.
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Urban Cowboy is in my top five dramas of all time, so Travolta could have been lighting other cast members on fire, and I would have just seen Bud climbing off the oil rig or the guy from Pulp Fiction. I'm like those female fans who saw Elvis on his last tour. They didn't see the 300-pound beached whale on the stage. They were cheering and crying for the guy from 1956 swaying his hips.
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Bo Bridges looks pretty good in your new movie, and he's no spring chicken. What's he like? When I saw his age was 70, I almost crapped myself. I would go, Jesus, Bo, you're not supposed to be able to punch somebody out in a scene at 70. My grandpa couldn't have done that. What's your secret? And he goes, I've been a vegan for 12 years. I was like, damn, I need to think about this.
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And then I saw Forks Over Knives, that documentary, and I was like, I'm in. I've been a vegan since January. I feel like I'm time traveling. 18. And how are you feeling? It's nothing like the pill in the matrix, but damn good. Like 15% across the board in every respect. I sleep 15% better. My allergies are at least 15% better. I have fewer body aches. My skin looks better.
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I'm never starving and I never need to ride the couch feeling completely full and disgusting. 19. So your vices are pretty much under control. I think I have a pretty good handle on my isms, but it takes a long time. Each third or fourth bad thing you give up, you still have to hold on to one. I'm still on nicotine. I pound about a dozen of those comet throat lozenges a day.
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I still drink gallons of coffee. 20, and you still drive like a maniac. I'm still super into driving too fast on motorcycles, yes. I have a Suzuki GSX-R1000. That was hard to read. That's just for the racetrack, and I can get up to 190 on that. When you're going that fast, you're thinking only about what you're doing in the moment.
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It's the closest I could ever get to Deepak or God or something like that. You can't think about tomorrow or what happened yesterday. You just absolutely have to be thinking second to second to second about what you're doing in that moment. I don't think I could survive without doing something like that.
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Unless they just asked you and it was annoying when they, I don't know because you saw it.
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Well, also you picked a career in which you're surrounded by gorgeous women. Does the urge to merge ever go away? Also, you realize people have said that about you and every famous, beautiful woman you've dated.
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But that was a fun journey. Was it? Yeah, for me.
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Okay, so I looked up the Asian population. Well, Rob looked it up real time and said 6%. But then I was looking at the breakdown in America.
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21% are Indian. Okay, so we don't have 6% Asian.
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That's right. Okay, 10% Vietnamese, 9% Korean, 7% Japanese, all others 15%.
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Well, but I think that's actually a reason why there's less here because it was a successful country.
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Okay, Asians now make up about 7% of the nation's overall population. This is according to 2021.
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Nope, we're gonna include this. I looked up poorest Asian communities in US. Asian Americans had a poverty rate of 10% in 2019. Three percentage points lower than the overall US poverty rate, 13%. Mongolian and Burmese have the highest poverty rates among all Asian origin groups at 25%, more than twice the national average and about four times the poverty rates among Indians, 6%.
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But also, no, I've had an explanation for this that my dad came up with, which is they learn English in school there, so it's easier.
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Okay. I wrote, my mom used to love Emeril on Food Network.
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I actually did know that, even though I haven't seen Scarface.
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But it's kind of one of those. I have to update my references.
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What do you mean he gave you the bam? Bam! You just said it. Oh, you're saying he said it.
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Okay, about restaurants, 60% of new restaurants fail within the first year. And nearly 80% shutter before their fifth anniversary.
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Well, I think they're wearing like hood. They're like really in a costume.
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This is Skims. I know. Okay. Over 110,000 eating, drinking establishments in the U.S. closed for business temporarily or permanently in 2020 with nearly 2.5 million jobs erased from pre-pandemic levels.