Bill Burr is trying to put things to bed. Whether it’s the anger he’s held onto throughout his life, or the sadness from he’s uncovered from his childhood, or even his old tensions with Marc, Bill’s been working to move on from the past. Bill and Marc talk about reaching the age where it’s time to put up or shut up, staying calm during chaotic moments, and taking stock of losing many of their peers. They also discuss Bill’s upcoming Hulu special and his Broadway debut in Glengarry Glen Ross. Sign up here for WTF+ to get the full show archives and weekly bonus material! https://plus.acast.com/s/wtf-with-marc-maron-podcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Chapter 1: What does Bill Burr discuss about letting go of the past?
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All right, let's do this. How are you, what the fuckers? What the fuck, buddies? What the fuck, Knicks? What's happening? I'm Mark Maron. This is my podcast. Welcome to it. I'm recording this on Sunday. I am in Denver, Colorado. So it's not Monday morning, but I know it is for most of you. And I know for at least... 75.017.626 von euch. Das wird ein schrecklicher Tag sein.
Und es wird ein schrecklicher Tag für Amerika sein. Und es wird in der Geschichte einen der schlimmsten Tage dieses Landes sein. Weil nach heute werden wir nicht wirklich die Natur unseres Landes kennen. Ich weiß nicht, was jetzt passiert. Und ich bin so schockiert, wie ihr seid. Und ich weiß nur, dass sie es lieben. They love our fear.
They want us to be subjugated by all of their actions, policies, points of view to push back on the marginalized populations of our of our country with no social reprisal. Look, I'm all about free speech, but just know that it's now conditional to abide by their rules, which I think mostly will be shut the fuck up. Equal rights are going to be on the back burner, if ever coming back, I don't know.
The living wage also on the back burner, will it ever happen, I don't know. Healthcare for all, will that ever happen, I don't know. The idea of sustainability being an important project for the human species, I don't know where that is either. They finally won the war against tolerance and now we got to live with it. Aber ich glaube nicht, dass diese Anzahl unnötig ist. Wenn man sich denkt,
the electoral map, which is oddly a lot like the duty watch app that I've been tracking to watch fires. Red is a problem, all shades of it. It's a problem because despite what anybody thinks, it was always sort of the loophole of democracy that it was possible that you could freely elect a fascist that will end it.
And I don't know, the nature of democracy as a government body seems to be very codependent, suffers the same problem Vielen Dank. Major assholes and profound gaslighting. So here we sit at the precipice of an authoritarian America where people will be nominated and put in positions of power where they have no capability of doing it correctly or don't know the job.
Primarily so the autocrat at the top of the pyramid has all the say and all the power. He's terrorized his stooges and the Senate and Congress and in business to fear for their own lives, if not their own careers in politics, if they do not do what he does. And that fundamentally, I don't know, it doesn't sound like democracy. I'm not trying to bum you out, but this is where we are today.
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Chapter 2: How does Bill Burr cope with chaos and fear?
Thank God somebody, many people, there is a type of person that wants to fight fires. Because, you know, with... civil servant jobs and jobs that uh you know seem i don't know like there's a lot of jobs that are sort of thankless but this isn't one of them and it is driven by people that want to fight fires Das ist, was sie tun wollen. Das ist ihr Ziel im Leben.
Und danke Gott, dass sie existieren. Denn wenn es Leute gibt, die sagen, ich weiß nicht, es gibt eine Feuerwehr, es gibt nicht viel dazu, es gibt kein Zukunft. Ich mag nicht meine Gesundheit. Es ist sehr gefährlich. Ich bin nicht dazu. Ich werde etwas einfacher machen. Danke Gott, dass es Leute gibt, die mit all ihren Herzen und sauberen Leben kämpfen wollen. It's amazing.
And, you know, I guess on some level, we're all going to have to become firefighters metaphorically in our own way, in the ways that we can. Again, I'm not trying to be negative, but I'm just trying to be positive. Realistisch. Aber Bill ist hier, weil er da war und er musste evakuieren. Und viele der Gespräche, die wir lately gehabt haben, sind ziemlich präsent. Sie sind nicht gebackloggt.
Und es ist gut, mit ihm zu kämpfen. Wir haben unsere eigenen Probleme, ich und Bill. Aber er ist sort of leveling off and he's really kind of fighting the good fight to be a decent fella. It takes time. So yeah, the blizzards, I've been in a blizzard. It was kind of a blizzard. It just got very cold.
I know it's hip for the grifting entertainers to kind of poo-poo climate change and maybe we've passed the point of no return and this is just the new reality. 23 degrees below zero wind chills in Denver to the point where the hotel couldn't even heat itself. Oh mein Gott, es ist so dunkel, es ist so negativ. But I'm going to go have some coffee. Look, I can tell you this. I'll keep doing this.
I'll keep talking to people. I'll keep figuring out a way with my heavy heart to find humor in things or just to be self-righteous occasionally. You know, what are you going to do? So look, Bill Burr came by the other day and we hadn't talked in a while and Phil Burr, you know, struggles. You know, he is struggling with himself. And that's where a lot of the good stuff starts.
So his new comedy special, Drop Dead Years, will premiere on Hulu on March 14th. Glengory Glen Ross opens on Broadway in previews on March 10th. Opening night is March 31st. Tickets are on sale now. This is me and Bill the other day.
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Chapter 3: What insights does Bill Burr share about his childhood?
So how did you like with this, the fire thing? Like, how, how did you fucking handle it? And I think you were on Kimmel last night, but you talked about it a little bit. Yeah, I, you know, I. For real though.
Did you freak out? Ich bin der kleine Scheiß. Der kleine Scheiß ist, wo es rauskommt. Ich werde also über ein Telefon fliegen, weil ich mich über das, was ich in New York gesehen habe, überrascht habe, was da passiert ist. Aber Sie wussten, dass Ihr Haus nicht in Gefahr war? No, yeah, no, it got a little scary there. That's what I mean. Yeah, so we, you know, definitely... Did you load up?
Yep, load up, had to get out of there. You had a mandatory evacuation? Oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah. But it was like, you know, I saw this, the flames never got close enough, but like, you knew they were coming and it was just kind of like this, yeah, and it was like... Uh, you know, it's just, uh, yeah, it's, I feel very, like, fortunate. Yeah. That survivor's guilt.
Yeah, I got a little of that. I freaked out. Like, wait, wait, where does the benefit start? Yeah. With this many friggin' people. What, you mean insurance? Nein, ich meine nur, um Leute zu helfen. Ja, die Sicherheitsfirmen, das ist das Ding, was ich über Kimmel gesprochen habe. Sie halten immer alle unabhängigen Menschen, alle Immigranten. Ja, ja, ja. Was ist mit den Sicherheitsfirmen?
Sie werden niemandem einen Diener zahlen und sich trotzdem einen Bonus geben. Was ist mit diesen Leuten? Das wird verdammt. Was ist mit all diesen Landwirten, die jetzt ein Zweibedrohung in Pasadena haben, 9.000 Euro pro Monat? Bastards. Was ist mit diesen Hotels, die 89 Euro waren und es bis zu 700 Euro ging? Ja.
These fucking, and I met this guy at the In-N-Out was saying like, yeah, my landlord is trying to evict me. Yeah, really? Well, because there's all that Palisades money and they don't have any. So now these areas that were working class, they're trying to get that money. I think that they're trying to do that.
Yeah, but that becomes that sort of like that shock doctrine capitalism business. Like, I don't know who's going to rebuild in the Palisades. But, you know, if a developer comes in there and offers enough money to buy out all that property, they'll probably take it.
Yeah. Oh ja, aber was ist mit dem Fakt, dass die Banken es nicht mal für zwei Monate verlassen? Du musst immer noch in deinem Konto bezahlen, auch wenn dein verdammtes Haus zerstört wird. Sie geben dir nicht mal ein, hey, du gehst durch eine schwierige Zeit, du bist ein Mitglied von Amerika. Du bist verdammt. Du musst immer noch das Geld bezahlen.
Außerdem wird man von diesen Landwirten und Hotels geworfen. It's ridiculous. And I get that. This is why I don't fucking watch politics. Politicians are grossly underpaid. Their job is to give you and me somebody to blame and get mad at. And then their job is they stand there and they get yelled at.
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Chapter 4: How does Bill Burr feel about his upcoming projects?
I saw the red section, and it was right over there on the two, and I'm down, it's 7 in the morning, I got a guy coming to paint because my kitchen had a leak in it, and we're standing out there, my neighbor comes out, and I'm like, what are you guys going to do? It feels like it's close. And it's like, yeah, but I don't think it's that close. And then we just saw this black cloud
Come over the whole fucking neighborhood. And the painter goes, you better get out of here. So I gotta load up these three cats. I got one crate. I'm putting one in the hamper. I got one taped one in a box. And I go to Hollywood to the Hampton Inn. And I figure I'm good. I get them all in. I buy other crates. And then that catches on fire. I watched it catch on fire. I could see it.
The one by the comedy store. I could see it blow up. And I'm like, now I gotta move again. But nonetheless... Ich fand, dass in diesem Moment ich mich konzentrieren kann. Du sprichst von ruhig.
Es ist nicht so, dass ich nicht zu großen Dingen reagiere, aber ich bin immer froh, dass, egal wie panisch oder verdammt verrückt ich bin, dass ich, wenn die Scheiße den Fan schießt, aufstehen kann und es mache.
Ja, naja, schmerzen bis zum Tod ist eine ziemlich gute Motivation, sich davon zu entfernen. Ja, ja, ja, ich bin froh, dass ich nicht panisch war und gesagt habe, ich weiß nicht, was ich tun soll. Welche Richtung soll ich gehen? Ja, du willst nicht der Typ sein, der sich verdammt macht. Wie hast du entschieden, was zu laden? Oh, it was very quick. I don't care about stuff. You know what I did?
I took my pilot's license and my logbook. Passport? Passport and my laptop. Cash? No, I just grabbed... I'm not a gangster. I don't have cash in the fucking walls or anything. Yeah, we just, you know, we spent some time with some friends in the valley and then we went out to the desert. And I just thought after a couple, two, three days, it was going to be over.
And it's just like, the one thing I do is I don't watch the news at all. Yeah. Because I'm already crazy enough. I don't need these people. You know, like the job, you know, CNN, Fox News, all they do is just stir people up and get... That's right. Then they get their own countrymen fighting. Like, I think they should all be in jail for treason. Yeah.
Because if you make money by dividing Americans, these fucking nerds who own these apps, who just have bots on there, just making everything political to get people to argue, but no one... Fucks with those guys. So what I'm trying to do is to get the message out to the guys. We're all on the same team here. People. Yeah, we need to respect each other and we gotta stop. We gotta help each other.
Yeah, I noticed that message. I've watched a lot of your stand-up and I know you fairly well. We've had our moments.
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Chapter 5: What are the impacts of societal changes discussed by Bill Burr?
Dude, I've had so many fights with you, and I don't remember what any of them were about. Well, I kind of knew what that was about, but there was a couple of things I remember about it, though. Oh, the last one? I do remember the last one. You were trying to get a freebie in, and then you tried to act like you weren't. Du kamst rein und sagst, ich konnte deine Stimme von unten hören.
Ich konnte deine Schmerzen riechen. Und du sagst, hey Mann, hey Mann, ich bin nur rumgefallen. Ich bin so, nein, du warst nicht. Du warst in einem schlechten Moment und ich war der erste, den du gehört hast. Und jetzt bist du ein Arschloch.
Nein, das war eine andere Sache. Es war über ein Thema. Es war über eine Durchführung. The cancel culture shit was going on. We were in the green room and there's a couple other people there and you go off on me. And all I remember is like, I'm gonna have to just fucking take this. I'm gonna have to stand. I can't walk away from it. I'm gonna have to hold my ground and wait till this shit passes.
And you go and then I go. But the thing I noticed was, within three minutes you were like, maybe I should be on the women's side once in a while. The distance between outburst and apology was tight.
I was proud of both of us. I thought we got over quickly. Pretty good, yeah. No, we're in a good place. And I know another one because of the way we're wired is coming. But I don't take it seriously. Like, you could literally say the most fucked up thing you could possibly say to me. And I'm going to be like, the next time I see him, he's going to be like, hey man. Right.
Well, yeah, I get that too.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't get it.
But I don't rage anymore. And I guess, because I remember like, I don't remember. You just ripped a fucking drawer out of your cabinet.
You know what it is about guys like that?
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Chapter 6: How do personal experiences shape Bill Burr's comedy?
Und ich habe für zehn Tage gefühlt... War das das Schlechteste? Ja, was das war. Was war es? Es war, wie ich mich growing up fühlte. Nur ständig verärgert? Yeah, not loved, not feeling like you mattered. Yeah. But I always thought when I was a kid, I was like, oh, I didn't need that. I was tough and I used to laugh at families that were like the other way.
Because it wasn't necessarily my family, it was the whole fucking thing. Everybody's family was kind of like that. Yeah. So anyway, so after like the 10 days, for the 10 days I felt like, oh, this is who I would have been if all of this shit didn't happen to me. Und dann nach zehn Tagen ist es so, oh, aber es hat es gemacht. Und es war so, oh, ich könnte so sein.
Ja, aber jetzt bin ich so und es ist einfach so. Und dann fängst du einfach an zu denken, wie, weißt du, bei verschiedenen Events, wie, wie the fuck could you do that to a kid? Right. Why would you, you know, whatever. I don't want to get into it, but like. But you saw the parallel universe where you're having a healthy life. Yeah, not in show business.
Not getting on a stage being, hey, look at me. I don't know. But I don't know where the fuck that goes. But then, yeah, so then I, you know, I will say every time I feel like, you know, okay, I've dug it all out and now we can start building a new house and find this another... Level or area or whatever. I mean, it's a lot of shit. I mean, it was 50 years. Look, it's bad enough as it is for me.
It's worse for the people around me. So that was really the motivation because I love my wife to death. I obviously love my kids to death. And like the one thing I am proud of is my kids are not afraid of me. I've probably overcorrected. Aber wenn ich nach Hause komme, fühlen sie mich wie ein Bouncy-Haus. Sie springen über mich herum. Ich spiele viele Spiele.
Die meisten sind nur, wenn ich sie um die Haustür fahre. Wie alt sind sie? Um acht und vier und ein halb. Meine Tochter ist so weit, dass sie zu mir lesen kann. Sie liest mir Kapitän Unterpants. Ich liebe es, dass sie Lachen liebt. Wie sie das Buch schreibt. Der Kapitel endet... mit einem Setup und dann der Name des nächsten Kapitels ist die Punchline.
Also der Typ würde sagen, wir haben unsere Tracks geschlossen, es gibt keinen Weg, dass wir getötet werden. Kapitel 8, getötet. Und sie denkt einfach, in ihrem sieben, achtjährigen Gehirn, und dann hat sie es fünfmal gelesen und gesagt, getötet. Und sie hat diesen Gesicht gemacht, als sie es tat. Und sie war total darauf eingegangen. Und mein Sohn ist wirklich auf Musik, er liebt ACDC und so.
Oh ja, zeig mir das Video. Oh ja. Das ist das Beste. Er macht den Chuck Berry via Angus-Dance. Er kann den Duck Walk machen, das ist unglaublich.
Eine Sache, als ich das Special gesehen habe, habe ich gemerkt, ich meine, du und ich sind sehr ähnlich, aber... In a lot of ways. But you, like, you went and had a regular life in the way that, you know, you got a wife, you got kids, you know, and now, like, you know, I didn't even pull it together to be able to handle that.
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Chapter 7: What does Bill Burr say about family dynamics?
You didn't know, the person who brought the person didn't know, the person doing it didn't know. It was a big misunderstanding.
So when you talk about like that thing you said on Kimmel last night about how like what you're mad about is something much bigger that you think is going to like consume you if you take it on. Du weißt, was das ist, oder? Meistens. What that thing is?
Is it just your family? And it's also the powerlessness, powerless feeling of being a kid if you're not being listened to. And that's what ends up happening. If you're not being listened to and bad shit's happening to you and stuff, you just eventually, that's kind of how you stop emoting because no one's listening. And then you also shut down stuff because stuff is hurting you.
So then you just sort of become like, you get the 600-yard stare, the kid version of it. And that was a lot of my friends. A lot of my friends are like that. And it's kind of funny.
It's a neighborhood thing almost.
Well, I mean, I go around and I do shows. And my whole graduation class, everybody has really interesting jobs. And it's really cool to see them again. And I...
Run into a lot of them and there's a couple people where like, you know, you start having like family envy when you feel yours is a little weird and then I end up finding like, wow, it was very similar or it was like, oh, it was a little different or it was worse or whatever. So, but that's one of those things where...
Das ist nicht fair zu meinen Eltern oder jemand anderen, der mich aufbringt oder so. Es ist nicht so, dass ich an meinen Eltern spreche, sondern es ist so, dass sie mein Universum waren. Also die Bedeutung von Dingen. Wenn dein Kind zu mir kommt und sagt, hey Vater, du hast gesagt, du würdest mit mir spielen und du schaust an deinem Handy. Das ist ein großes Problem.
Und dann musst du es aufhören und sagen, fuck man, das macht diese Person so, als wäre sie mir nicht wert.
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Chapter 8: How does Bill Burr view emotional struggles in relationships?
Und dann fragte ich meine Frau, kannst du draußen gehen? Ich frage, ist da ein kleiner Kerl auf dem Kliff, der ein paar Leute sagt? Und sie lacht. Sie sagt, es ist niemand da, aber der Kerl ist weg. Und dann bin ich wieder draußen gegangen. Und dann habe ich angefangen zu denken, bis zum Ende meines Treffs. Ich kam raus und sagte, hey, kann ich dir eine Frage stellen?
Ich sage, das war der schreckliche Teil des Treffs. Ich sagte, war dieser kleine Kerl echt? Und sie sagte, nein. Ich sagte, okay, gut. Und ich frage, was ist mit dem Textmessage von Bob? War das echt? Und sie meinte, ja, es war es. Und ich dachte, ah, fuck. Weil ich für einen halben Sekunden gehofft hatte, dass ich es erwartet hätte.
Ich weiß nicht, warum du das träumst, aber ich hoffte, dass es nicht der Fall war.
Aber das war... Das hat mich wirklich geholfen, Mann. Das war brutal. Du hast das in der Special auch gesagt, dass wir in dieser seltsamen Ängste sind. Das ist eine sehr gute Observation, das ist lustig. Ich werde nie vorbei sein, Bob. Ich habe das Stück gemacht, das ich nicht sein werde. Yeah, I don't think I will too. And it's not like I was totally close to him.
But we're all weirdly close just by nature of who we are and what we do. But he was always the best guy in the world. And it was such a shocking fucking thing.
You know what I loved about him? He just loved jokes. So if you started texting with him, I swear to God, if you wanted to go eight hours, he would just keep going. Doing jokes? Well, he never got sick of it. And then he would always go crazier and darker. Yeah. Ich dachte, es wäre so faszinierend, er wäre so ein guter Kerl, aber er könnte so... Er ist so verschwunden und schwarz.
Aber es hat funktioniert, weil er so ein guter Kerl war. Und... Whenever I would do something on TV, if he saw it or whatever, he always took the time to say, great job. It was sincere. It wasn't like, oh, hey, you're moving along in the business. This is a guy I need to know. Yeah, sweet guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's so weird, because did anyone ever figure out what happened?
Ich will nicht spekulieren oder so, aber das, was ich gehört habe, war, dass er... Er hat seinen Kopf geschlagen. Er hat seinen Kopf geschlagen und hat geblieben.
Er hat nicht gemerkt, wie schlimm es war. Ich glaube nicht, dass es schlimm ist, aber ich werde es dir sagen, Mann. Wir gehen in all diese verschiedenen Hotels. Aber nachdem Sagat gestorben ist, habe ich das Licht auf dem Kühlschrank geschlossen. Weil du wachst und weißt nicht, wo du bist für einen Moment. Oh yeah, what's, yeah.
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