The Living Your Legacy Podcast
Maggie Perotin on Beating Doubt, Silencing Naysayers & Leading with Purpose
Fri, 21 Feb 2025
Maggie Perotin, a leadership expert and business strategist, joins the Legacy Maker’s Podcast to discuss her transformative "Dream Plan Do" coaching method. As the founder of Stairway to Leadership, she has helped countless business owners turn their goals into reality using a structured yet adaptable approach. Maggie shares how she developed this method based on her own experiences as an achiever, emphasizing the importance of setting big goals, creating actionable plans, and executing with consistency.Throughout the conversation, Maggie and the host discuss key factors in entrepreneurial success, including overcoming self-doubt, avoiding distractions, and maintaining resilience in the face of challenges. She opens up about her transition from a corporate career to entrepreneurship, detailing the struggles she faced, including skepticism from loved ones. With practical insights and personal anecdotes, Maggie inspires listeners to push past limitations, believe in their potential, and build a lasting legacy.CHAPTERS02:37 - Unlocking the Dream Plan Do System04:51 - The Key to Setting Achievable Goals07:15 - Why Simplicity is the Secret to Success09:42 - Overcoming Self-Doubt and Limiting Beliefs12:03 - Maggie’s Journey: From Corporate Burnout to Entrepreneur14:27 - The Importance of Having a Strong "Why"16:49 - How to Push Through Naysayers and AdversityGuest DetailsName: Maggie PerotinWebsite: stairwaytoleadership.comInstagram: @maggie.perotinLinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/maggieperotinFacebook: facebook.com/stairwaytoleadership
Chapter 1: What is the Dream Plan Do system?
And then I pulled it out of my brain and it came down to really. setting big goals, having a dream and believing you can do it. And then planning to actually, okay, how am I going to do it? And what do I need to do to get there? And then taking action and doing it, learning from it.
And the big thing for me is also, I'm always like, how can I make it simple and the easiest possible for me to achieve the goals? Because, you know, it can be a hard journey anyways.
And big part of it is setting good habits and how can I systemize and automate and through habits or in business through systems to make things repeatable, good quality, good, you know, excellent and easy at the same time.
Chapter 2: How can I set achievable goals?
Yeah, it's fascinating. I was just, you know, we're start of the year at the time filming this and I was just doing a training on achieving goals. And I came from 10 years in the health and wellness space. And I said, you know, you learn there like the easier you can make your like goal, right? Like in nutrition, the easier you can make your diet, the easier you can make your workout.
That's right. Right. The more chance of success. And I mean, a lot of us, we especially entrepreneurs or people in this industry, you know, New Year comes around, you set these big, audacious goals, but they're never achievable. And it's like, yeah, I'm going to go from zero to working out 10 times a week or whatever. I'm going to go from quit my job and have a million dollar business next week.
And it's so, you know, after I've coached thousands of people in health and wellness and business, and it's so important to try and keep it simple just from the adherent standpoint. Yeah. So what do you see is the common thing in a lot of people listening, they have big goals and dreams, but maybe they're not there yet or they keep failing.
Chapter 3: Why is simplicity crucial for success?
What would you say to someone on how do they get better success with their goals?
So three things. One, keep it as simple as possible. Don't try to climb Mount Everest in an hour. That's not going to happen. You need to bring down whatever you're doing into the simplest steps that when you think about, oh, can I do it? Even if you're a bit scared, you're like, well, I'm scared, but I can't. It's not as overwhelming. So that's one. Two, keep focused. Don't get distracted.
And especially I think in entrepreneurship, once you start a business, there's so many opportunities out there and everybody's telling you, yeah, make a million dollars in a week. What are this? Buy this, buy this. And it's so easy to get distracted. That's why I always say when you have a plan that is really aligned with your goal and vision, you can get back to it.
Say, is this opportunity fits with that plan? Does it help me or not?
Chapter 4: How can I overcome self-doubt?
Yeah.
Like, for example, me, legacy makers, right? I, one of my goals was I want to grow my brand because I want to reach more people. And legacy makers opportunity came out. Ooh, yes. Did I plan for it three months ago? No.
Yeah.
Chapter 5: What was Maggie’s journey to entrepreneurship?
But it was the right opportunity. But then there's something else that was saying, no, no, no.
Yeah.
So don't get distracted. And three, you know, you have to keep going and you have to understand that challenges are just part of the journey. But if you learn the skill sets that you need and you get better and better and better, you will overcome any challenge.
Chapter 6: Why is having a strong 'Why' important?
Yeah, I love that. And then just one more thing on that. I want to come back to the dream part because, you know, we talked a little about the tactical part. But I also think a large percent of the population are held back because they don't have the belief in themselves. Right. And they don't believe. And I always teach you can't ever achieve anything if you don't believe in it first.
Yeah.
So let's talk about that for a little.
Chapter 7: How to handle naysayers and adversity?
OK, so I think that all you need is. It's a belief that you're capable to figure out and learn what you need to achieve it. You don't even need to believe that, oh, I can a hundred percent do it. When I started my business, I didn't believe it a hundred percent. I didn't know, can I really make it successful? But what I believed in, I can figure it out. I can learn whatever skills that I need.
And through that, most likely I'll be successful.
Yeah. And I think that's a lot of, you know, I came from a sport background, so I love the four minute mile analogy, which is where if you don't know, you know, this whole thing that no one could run four minutes. And then as soon as someone ran four minutes, like 200 people did it in the next couple of years or a few years. And then, you know, it took hundreds of years to crack.
And in sport as well, like Muhammad Ali, I think it's a great example because he said he was the greatest when he just started boxing. And it's like, you know, you have to have that belief level. And I say most, you know, I consider this myself. And in my episode, I talk about this, that entrepreneurs, you have to have a bit of delusion. You have to be a little delusional.
And you see that with like Elon Musk, right? Or Richard Branson or Jeff. Oh, I'm going to live on Mars and create, you know, you've got to have some level of delusion to have those big goals.
Yeah, and I see that sometimes people hold themselves back. And either because they don't believe they could get there or they don't believe in them. Like, oh, is this for me? Like, am I, you know, I'm this little person in a small town. I think we're both in a small town, right? People like us don't get there.
Like, you've got to be able to say like, hey, if there is a person who did what I want to accomplish, I'm not that different than them. I can do it too.
And I think the hard part, like you said, is if you're in that small town setting or that peer group, the Arnold super successful and famous, it's actually way harder for you than for me. Right. Because like now I'm in this environment with big celebrities and billionaires. So if I have a crazy goal of doing blah, blah, blah, all my friends say, oh, that sounds great. I might join you.
But when you're from a normal little environment, you say these big old people think you're crazy. They say, no, you're not going to do that. That's silly. Don't be stupid, right? So it's actually harder in the early days because you're like going against the headwind, right?
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