Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dark Web Hacker Obsessed with Evading Police | Insane True Story
Sat, 23 Nov 2024
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Chapter 1: What sparked Dave's interest in the dark web?
If I see a cop, just drive by him, get off the freeway, flip around, and then go drive by him at like 120. When you get away, you, you have, you're so pumped up for the next eight to 12 hours. Like, you know, you couldn't sleep. It was just, you know, adrenaline coursing through your, through your system. That's when I started teaching them about the dark web.
Cause everybody knew and they, and they were, they wanted to get involved basically. And I'm like, listen guys, I'm here because of this. Why do you want to get involved in this? Because I'm in the same place you are. You're just going to come back if you get into this. Basically, World of Warcraft hacks for a game.
Yeah. Is it as a job? Yeah.
Dave is a dark net cyber criminal. And he's got, you know, I talked to him for about an hour or so the other day, super interesting story. And so check it out. So let's bro, let's start at the let's start at the beginning. Like, I mean, where were you born?
Okay, so I was born in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, and I was born in 92, so I'm 30 years old right now. I lived in Milwaukee with both of my parents until the mid-2000s. which then we moved out to a suburb kind of about 10, 15 minutes outside of Milwaukee. And then that's where I lived. That's where that's where I'm currently at right now. Well, so my dad, he was a truck driver.
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Chapter 2: How did Dave's upbringing influence his choices?
He drove dump trucks like locally. He wasn't like over the road thing. So he was, you know, he was home every night. You know, he wasn't out driving. So. And my mom, she was like a book. She does like payroll and bookkeeper checks and checks and stuff like that. For like an old folks community, basically.
So, hi, what'd you go to high school?
Yep. So I my first high school, my first high school I went to, I got expelled because. Why? Because I listen to this, man. So I was I was in basically study hall, which is right before lunch. So I had a pipe in my backpack and I didn't have any weed or anything like that.
but i went to the bathroom i took a you know took a little hit off of whatever was left in that pipe you know just uh i was bored you know study hall i was i didn't really care about you know school at that point so i was just uh trying to get high and and hang out basically so i come back from the bathroom and this uh this girl that was sitting uh behind me to the left
Apparently, she smelled that I smelled like weed. And she basically texted her mom. Her mom called the school office. The school office then alerted the security there. They came down. And all of a sudden, I notice there is a teacher that comes in and just kind of walks through. And she's looking around.
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Chapter 3: What led to Dave's first brush with the law?
And probably about a minute or two into her doing that, I realized that she's kind of really just focusing on me. So I start devising a plan to get rid of this pipe that I have because they're obviously going to check me in. I know I don't have anything in my locker, so that's good. So Study Hall gets let out.
I jet over to the lunchroom, and I see one of my buddies in there, and I hand the pipe off to him. And I say, hold on to this. You know, I go grab a tray. I get my food. I just get to my seat. I start eating and all of the security and the principal come in and they say, we need to talk to you. Come with us. So basically, they took me up to the office. They told me about the allegations.
I denied them, obviously. I basically don't have the Bible on you. I didn't have it on me. So, and I know I didn't have any, we had no paraphernalia, nothing else. So I said, all right, you can search. They wanted to search my backpack. They wanted to search my locker. So we searched the backpack in there. They find nothing. We go down to my locker, they pull it all out. They find nothing.
So basically, they don't really know what to do, basically, because there's no proof that this happened. So they say, all right, well, we're going to suspend you. You need to go take a drug test at some lab and come back to us with the results. And then we'll let you back in, you know, if you pass. So I go do that. And it was about three or four days after I had taken that hit.
And listen, I was smoking weed every day at that time. So it's in my system. I go take the test. But before I go, I do kind of like at home detox type thing. And then I basically water down my pee. Right. So I go and I pass. no drugs in my system, take it back to them. That still wasn't enough for them.
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Chapter 4: How did addiction escalate for Dave during college?
They said, due to this allegation, due to other past incidents that I've had, because I was kind of, you know, not exactly the best student there. I was influencing other kids and stuff like that. And they kind of knew about that after talking to other people. So they basically said, we're not going to let you back in. So they expelled me from that school.
uh, which leads me to the next school, uh, which is where I go. I start, uh, this is, let's see. Freshman. This is the start of my sophomore year. So the first probably the first semester or so. So I get there. It's a public school. This other one was a private school. So that's basically why they were so strict on this whole on the whole thing and expelling me.
So now I'm at this public school and this is, you know, this is not a good place. place to go when I'm, you know, clearly using drugs and stuff because there's tons of tons of people there way more than at the other school that are using drugs, selling drugs, doing all kinds of stuff, skipping school. So that's when I start dabbling with a little bit more than just weed.
Up until then, it was just weed. And occasionally I would I would have some alcohol. So, um, I start dabbling at this new high school, um, introducing new friends. We, uh, you know, club drugs, MDMA, you know, LSD, all that type of thing. Um, and that really, that really lit a spark. And I basically became really interested in like
pharmacology you know how how the drugs work systematically what they affect all that stuff so um by the time i had graduated uh that public school, I had already become addicted to Roxycodone pills, basically. And also, my buddy worked at an old folks home, and he had access to Fent patches.
So we were doing the Fent patches and we were sniffing Oxy 30s and stuff like that by the time I graduated high school. So I graduated in 2011 and in 2012, I guess, um, is kind of when things went from, went from just playing around to real life. Uh, a few of my friends OD'd a few, uh, uh, on, on God, um, well,
one of them od on on heroin one of them od on on um xanax and oxycodone i believe um and then yeah those are those are the first two that was in 2012 if those two first happened so um 2012 i start college um I'm going to a local, going to like kind of a local school. basically for a medical degree of some type.
Since I became interested in the drug culture and all that stuff, it just made sense to me to maybe go into the medical field. So I had that interest in pharmacology and medicine and mental health and how drugs can affect that and how they can help that and such. Um, so, you know, I was, I was still doing drugs while I was going to college and stuff. And that, that really wasn't good.
Cause I would probably be at, you know, two classes a day if, if I even went that day. Um, so I'm, I'm not, I'm not doing the greatest in college, but I'm making it. So during spring break, 2013, I was downtown. I was on the east side. I was on a side street. I'm walking, and I get hit by a car. It throws me. I break my neck. Three of my vertebrae. Were you walking on the street?
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Chapter 5: What role did the dark web play in Dave's drug dealings?
Okay. Okay. Sorry, I didn't realize that. I thought you were on the sidewalk or something. Somebody went up on the sidewalk.
No, she just ran the stop sign while I was walking across the sidewalk. Or I was walking on the sidewalk to the other side of the street. Okay. So she hits me with her Jeep. I get thrown, break my neck.
a couple other you know things but the neck was the most serious one uh c4 through c6 is all fused together now so range of motion is lacking you know pain stuff like that um so i get into surgery uh well anyway they let me go back so i They hit me. I'm knocked out basically. I don't remember anything except for the impact. And they get me and they sit me up.
They try to sit me up on the sidewalk, but I couldn't sit up straight. I kept just falling over because I had no sense. I had no equilibrium basically. I start the surgery about a day after that accident. They had me in the hospital because They were concerned about the drugs in my system because they did a blood test and they found H and some benzos and stuff like that in my system.
So they waited a day. I start the surgery. Everything goes, you know, as well as it could according to the doctor, which, you know, I'm not so sure about, but... It is what it is. You know, I can't really fix it. Um, so anyway, I spent probably two, two weeks in the hospital or so, um, after that, uh, recovering, uh, gaining, you know, movement, getting strength and such.
And during that time, I'm, um, IV Dilaudid and Oxy syrup, like a lot. So because I was addicted to opiates already, they had to up the dose, obviously. So they were giving me a lot. And I was discharged. I was given, you know, a huge script for Roxycodone 10s. I was given two, I think it was 240 or 260 milligrams a day. just of the oxys.
And this is when my opiate use kind of just was kicked into overdrive. I started doing physical therapy, but I was also still doing heroin. After I came home from the hospital, I had a neck brace on, and I was obviously not in a good situation. I shouldn't have been going out driving down to the hood and copping down there while I got a neck brace on.
They said you cannot drive because you can't move, you can't see behind you, stuff like that. So obviously that's that's just reckless. Right. And I'm putting myself in danger, possibly others. But at that time, I'm not worried about that. You know, who cares about that? I need to get I need to get this. I need to get this stuff.
So I end up getting to about $50 to $100 a day of an H habit on top of those prescribed oxys from the next thing. However, about a month after the accident, so two weeks after I got out of the hospital, the doctor wanted to get me off the oxys. So she starts a taper, which really wasn't much of a taper. Yeah. So it wasn't much of a taper.
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Chapter 6: How did Dave evade law enforcement while street racing?
Um, so basically they start talking to me about, um, I go in for my checkups, uh, for my neck from a surgeon and such, um, you know, while this taper is going on, uh, they start talking to me about, uh, ibuprofen uh for pain which i mean come on that's that's not gonna work um and then they start saying um possibly they want me to switch to suboxone or methadone to handle my
my pain and my addiction to opiates. So of course I replaced that oxy that she took me down on with more heroin. So now I'm doing $100 to $200 a day of heroin mixed in with Xanax, Valium, basically anything else I could find at that point that would help with the pain and
know just take me out of the situation that i was living in basically eventually in late 2013 october i go to rehab for the first time and after rehab well they get me on suboxone in rehab i get i get i do the 30 days inpatient Um, which was kind of miserable because I, you know, that was actually my 21st birthday, um, was in October.
So I was basically in rehab for that, which kind of sucked, but, um, you know, it's, it's much better than, than jail. You know, there was girls in there, there was, you know, you could watch TV, have a phone and such. So it wasn't the worst, but it just kind of sucked. It wasn't how I thought my 21st birthday would go.
What were you facing jail like it? I mean what facing jail for what were you busted or no?
No, no, not at that point Okay, I What we'll get to that if that's coming. All right, so So this went on This went on for probably till mid-2014. Then I began to stop taking the Suboxone. And I was doing heroin again. And that's when I ended up catching my first charge. Shortly after that. Basically, I had a friend that ended up. snitching on our mutual drug dealer.
He was my drug dealer, which I introduced my friend to. And he ends up getting caught for something. He snitches on the drug dealer to get out of it. And in that, in all of that, I am always coming and going from the guy's house.
the police see that and one day they're sitting there around the corner i pull off they follow me i get pulled over searched they say we know where you were we know what you were doing where's the drugs blah blah blah so that was my first charge of possession of narcotics possession of paraphernalia You know, not too bad, but it was my first, you know, real serious brush with the law.
I had gotten in a little bit of trouble when I was under 18 for weed and stuff, obviously. Not serious, but... Those charges, so I'm in county jail, miserable. My parents get me a lawyer. So that was $15,000 for a simple drug charge, which I think now that I look at it, that is insane. I should have paid maybe 5K at most.
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Chapter 7: What happened during the police raid at Dave's home?
Honestly, I should have, but it was my first, you know, real charge. I was scared. You know, I thought I need to get a good lawyer. So I got the best lawyer basically in town for this, which was kind of stupid looking back. But, you know, hindsight, you know, 2020.
My first lawyer I paid $75,000 to. I paid $75,000 to plead me guilty, to plead me out to a three year. And I was never facing jail time. Like I just was stupid and young and didn't know and I was scared.
Same scenario here. Right. So 15K gets me a deferred prosecution agreement, which I could have got with the public defender anyway as my first as my first offense. Right. So then I was back on the street. Um, they had me on like a year basically of probation. I had to do community service, you know, all that bullshit.
So I took that, I did take that seriously, um, because I didn't want to go to jail, obviously again. Um, so I remained sober for that until, uh, 2015. And then June, 2015 is, uh, my best friend had ended up OD basically. Um, and, uh, Let's see. We, he was, so I was just at the tail end of this DPA, probably like a month left. Uh, my friend dies, this OD. It hit me really hard. Um,
because I hung out with him every day. We went to school together. He was at that public school in high school. So he ODs, passes, leaves, you know, his young son at that time, he's probably four years old, his girlfriend, you know, the rest of his family, you know, and his friends. So that kind of That kind of ended up with me going into a spiral of relapse and destructive behavior.
I would be getting high. I would be going to street races. I'd be running from the police purposefully. That was one of the things that I just really enjoyed doing. I would go out late at night. Got on the freeway, kind of head north out of the city. And just if I see a cop, just drive by him, get off the freeway, flip around and then go drive by him at like 120. So this is on a motorcycle.
I'm assuming you're on a. No, no, no, no. In a car.
What are you driving?
I had two, well, I had three cars during that short, during this time frame, basically. I had two Honda Civics. One of them was basically a fully built all-motor car. And it made probably about 270 horsepower. But it only weighed, you know, 2,000 pounds. So this thing was basically a go-kart, you know.
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Chapter 8: What were the consequences of Dave's criminal activities?
Cause sometimes it just wouldn't, you know, they would just, they would just keep sitting there and just let me go. Um, but the best times were when they would pull out. Um, obviously as soon as I seen those lights, my adrenaline went from, from here to, you know, all the way up here. Um, And that was on top of getting high.
I think that was probably one of the, one of the best drugs that I've had done basically was, was the adrenaline rush from, from running from the police. Uh, cause after you do that, when you get away, you, you have, you're so pumped up for the next eight to 12 hours. Like, you know, you couldn't sleep. It was just, you know, adrenaline coursing through your, through your system. Uh,
And then I also had a Subaru WRX STI that was also fully built, 600 horsepower, big turbo, all that. Which, I mean, that was fun to run from the cops in, but I really liked that car and I didn't want to fuck it up. So, you know, a Honda Civic is a Honda Civic, but this car was, it's basically... Full full cost of everything. Right. Body, everything, all that.
Maybe I can get some pictures or something like that and we can throw them up. So besides my street racing, doing drugs and all that, I was. We'll go back a little bit. When I had first started dabbling back in public high school, junior, senior year, so 2010, 2011, I started hearing about the dark depth. Or the dark web, whatever you want to call it.
So I had ordered some drugs from there back then. You know, just here and there. I wasn't really into it. But fast forward, we're back to, you know, that time frame after my friend dies. I'm running 20, 2015, whatever. So... I get back on the dark web basically. And I think, um, this is, this is what I'm going to start doing. So I began to, uh, get drugs off there.
Um, basically ordering heroin, you know, all the ones that I enjoy basically all the downers. Um, and then I would get other drugs that I would sell. What form is this? So there was a few. There was in the beginning, obviously, there was like Silk Road and stuff like that. That was on. Then we get to these Hansa market. I mean, there was there was a bunch of of these marketplaces, basically.
And it's basically like eBay. Right. For drugs. Right. And anything illegal. So I begin to do that and I start, obviously it gets very expensive. So then I have to start figuring out ways I can offset the money that I'm spending. I have a connection to a lab in China where I was getting things for very cheap, like benzo, those research chemicals. I'm not sure if you know anything about those.
They're basically drugs that haven't been used, approved for anything. They're basically... made in a lab, someone makes some tweaks to a molecule, and they come up with a different drug. Right, so it's legal. Well, it's sort of legal. For example, you have Xanax, which is alprazolam.
So one of the research chemical versions would be flu alprazolam, basically, which is just a fluorinated version of alprazolam. It's more potent, lasts longer, and stuff like that. So, um, I'm getting these research chemicals and such from this lab in China. Um, I could get, uh, the grams were $45.
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