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Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And we're going to hear his story. So check out the interview. Like nobody expects me to be professional.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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How do you, I mean, how do you track that down? Like, I mean, this is a guy you're saying that he's mailing it back there. They're cutting it up. They're distributing it. I'm like, did you guys, do you end up catching a low level drug dealer? And then you get him to give you the guy above him. Like,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It's just a couple of knockoffs. You want to see professional, get Netflix. This is YouTube. It's free.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. Let's start at the beginning. Yeah. Were you born in New York? Yeah, I was born in Queens. Okay. Were your parents in law enforcement?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I mean, if he looks like you, then you're both cops. You both look so much like cops.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, they want it to be real.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It's so nice of you guys to help us.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Do you have any idea whether the Hong Kong police have followed you? They didn't.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They're just sitting there watching you guys leave. I guess they're going to lunch. We'll stay here. Yeah. We'll wait for them to come back. No worries.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And they must have just felt like, you know, being in Hong Kong, committing this with the ineffectiveness of the local police or having paid them off or whatever. And knowing the system, they must have just felt like dealing what they were doing. They were just they just had it down like they were totally safe.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So what did they get? How many people were grabbed completely and what were some of the sentences? I'm sure you can't remember all of them.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And you thought you had a rate. I mean, you, you had a radio, I had a radio show in college.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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A little less than credible. So all this guy has to do is say, I don't know what you're talking about. Right. And eventually the case will go away. Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Whatever. To be honest, let's face it. It doesn't matter if I hire you to go scare my sister and you murder her. You're still on the hook for that. Yeah, you're done. Yeah, exactly. You're on the hook for the murder. If I say I arranged for you to rob a bank, but don't bring a gun and you bring a gun, well, I'm still going to get hit. You kill somebody or anything, it's still going to be my fault.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So what happened with the people that were extradited from Hong Kong? What did they get?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So I'm going to tell you a story that you'll find funny. I know Colby's here, heard this. And we had this guy on. His name was Juan Carlos. Yeah, Juan Sanchez. Juan Carlos Sanchez, I think. So yeah, it might as well be like John Smith.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So Juan... Juan ran a real estate, a huge real estate scam. If you heard the whole story, you'd die. And I'd probably tell the story better than he does. But he ran a scam where this is before the meltdown. He's basically going in and he's selling these huge developments, right? And selling to people. He's getting them a mortgage or whatever.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, then things start to go bad and he's looking for investor money. And he goes to Venezuela and he borrows money from the cartel, which is actually the government. So he actually borrows money from the Venezuelan government. So he's meeting with government officials. They give him a bunch of money, whatever, $10 million or $20 million, something like that. He comes back. He loses it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He goes back again. They give him more money. Because they're making tons of money. They're laundering money for the cartel and stuff.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So, eventually, you know, they're threatened. At this point, they're threatening to kill him and everything. So, he basically just kind of disappears. So, he disappears. He goes to New York. It eventually catches up with him. And there's a whole slew of things that happen. But it catches up with him one day. FBI knocks on his door.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And because a lot of what he was doing was manipulating the market and stuff. It's bank fraud. So they knock on the door. They indict him. They bring him back to Miami. And he's in Miami. And he's under indictment. He's got no money. Of course, the first thing they do is take away all your ill-gotten gains. Take away his money. He gets a public defender. He ends up pleading guilty. He gets 20.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I don't know. I want to say 15 to 20 years. Let's say 20. But I think he probably did. He probably still did eight or nine years. So he gets 20 years. He's doomed. He ends up hiring. And finally, he actually raises the money to get a second attorney off of Facebook, raises like 40 grand or something, hires this new attorney.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And by the time he just about gets the attorney, one day he gets a visit and he's more than willing to cooperate. And. his new attorney is going to try and fix the sentencing. Uh, and it's a, it's federal. One day he gets a couple of FBI.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He says they said they were FBI, but his attorney saying he thinks they may have been CIA, whatever point is, is that they show up, they sit down with him and they say, we look through your cell phone. Uh, do you know this guy? Like we have, you have cell phone number for this guy. This is a, this is basically like the attorney general of Venezuela. Like he's like a cabinet member or whatever.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like he's high up. He's like, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I, I, I, yeah, I met that guy. And he's like, he's one of the guys that gave me the money. They gave me a bunch of money. He's like, right. They're like, well, we indicted him. He's been indicted three, two, three years ago. And he's like, right. Well, why don't you get him? He's like, well, he's in Venezuela. We can't get him to come here.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He goes, and he said, obviously he's not going to come here. And he went, well, I could get him to come here. And he goes, no, no, he wouldn't come here. I mean, he knows we've, they kind of know we've looked into them. Like he probably knows he's indicted. He goes, no, no, he'll come here. He wants them to go to Disney World.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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and they go what are you talking about he said yeah he said because like a year or two like two years ago before i kind of went to new york and tried to hide from you guys he said a year before uh so a couple years ago he contacted me and they were asking me to do all kinds of favors for them because i lost all their money like in between the phone calls where they said they were going to kill me and my entire family they would periodically ask me to go buy a an suv and try and get it shipped there

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know, he said, so one of the things he did one time was he said, my family, my kids, my wife and kids, they want to go to Disney World.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He said, I need you to get me to come in. And he said, you know, the way it works is like, I could do that, but I needed to get him approved.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And I had to say that I was like an owner of a company that he was coming to possibly work for and bring him and his family in, you know, he said, I told him I could, I can open a corporation, but it would be a new corporation and they might have an issue with that. And so you may not get the visa. And he said, try. He said, well, I did try. And it turns out that the local, um, U.S.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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embassy down there, like denied his visa. He goes, so if you guys have the embassy write a letter from the embassy saying that they made a mistake and his visa is approved, he'll fly in. And they went, he can't be that stupid. And he said, I remember Juan goes, listen. You don't get to be at the level he's at in Venezuela because you're bright. It's because you're brutal. Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And he's stupid and brutal. He will come. He's a thug. Yeah. And he said he thinks he's untouchable. And so they were like, okay. Juan ends up going to jail. Goes to prison. And one day he like... Somebody gets a newspaper article. Somebody's getting like the Miami Herald. And like this guy's on the front page, like Miami Herald. They mailed him the letter saying your visa is approved.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Okay. Did you, I mean, did you end up graduating college?

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A week later, he and his family show up and at Miami International Airport, like they're wearing like Disney World shirts and the kids have on like little Mickey Mouse ears. They arrest them in the airport. Hysterical. As he flies in. And then he shows up. At Coleman, the federal prison where Juan was. Yeah. Actually shows up.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Juan sees him before, like before they, he sees him, he sees him and he's like, oh shit. So he kind of has somebody go to him and say, look, do you know who this person is? He's like, yeah, I know who that is. He's like, okay, look, you know, is you going to be okay? This and that. He's like, yeah, yeah. Bring him out. I'll talk to him. Let me talk to him. He's not, it's not a big deal.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So he comes over and he talks to me. Look, he's like, I don't want any trouble. You don't want any trouble. And he said, you know, one of the things they did at one point was they actually kidnapped Juan at one point. And Juan kind of got away, got on an airplane, flew back. And he goes, he came to, he's like, man, you got me to fly in here. You got me in a lot of trouble.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He's like, you kidnapped me. He's like, you stole our money. And he's like, listen, this is going nowhere. Yeah. Can we just be okay Yeah It's fine It's fine That guy And like you were saying They wanted that guy To cooperate Yeah He did cooperate He ended up getting Four years He was out For laundering Hundreds of millions Of dollars Of the cartel's money Mm-hmm

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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you know, the, the, the Colombian of Colombian cartel money through Venezuelan government, part of that money went to Juan. Yeah. So, you know, that whole thing, like, you know, he laundered hundreds of millions of dollars. He ended up getting four years. He was out on his sentence before Juan ever even got a reduction on his sentence for the guy.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like then the government never even told Juan they arrested him. They said nothing. He had to see it in the newspaper, call his attorney and say, Hey,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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yeah this is what happened yeah then his attorney calls us did you guys forget to mention something yeah but yeah that's so fun i love the i i i can picture them getting off the plane with the mickey mouse ears on and the t-shirts and we're going to disney world not really not so much yeah you know you bring up the case about south american kidnappings related to the columbian cartel and um

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Okay. So you started as what, like a, um, just a patrolman.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He admits to you that he took the money? Oh, yeah. It's obvious that he took it, but- He knows we're not looking at him if we don't give him- Not the money, sorry.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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This is in New York City in plain sight.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That's fucking insane.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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How long were you a patrolman?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I mean, I hate to tell another story, but the whole them knowing your family thing. you know, I've heard, I mean, obviously, you know, I've heard about this over like these guys, you know, they're fronting you 600 pounds of, you know, whether it's, you know, marijuana or whatever it is, you know, a lot of times, yeah, they just gave it to me. I, I, it didn't.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So I wrote a story called American Narco about these, this guy who was, uh, he played in a band. He's basically like a rock star, right? Used to play with like, uh, he's played with like Lenny Kravitz and, um, three doors down. And, you know, uh, he just never made it big, but he, he, he was, uh, he's a great musician. Anyway, I wrote a story about him and his friend.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And the first time he got, uh, He was buying a little marijuana here, a little bit there, a little bit there. He said, you know, and he was dealing with a guy that he didn't know he was a cartel. He didn't know he was connected to cartel. He's like, he's a Mexican guy.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And he said, and one day he comes to him and he's like, hey, man, let's let's talk. Let's talk. OK. He said, he said, we go. And he said, look, I want to front you some more like five or six hundred pounds. He's like, oh, wow, because he had been buying like a couple hundred pounds. He's like, you know, he'd gotten up to that. He's like, I'm going to give, we want to front you some stuff.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He said, oh, do you live around here? He's like, yeah, I live right down the street. He's like, can we go by, let's go by your place. And he's like, oh, cool. He said, he's real friendly. You know, this guy is very like, he's real friendly. We went by my house. We had a couple of drinks. We had this. I told him I grew up in the area. My parents live in the area. He goes, where do your parents live?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He's like, oh, they live around. He goes, we drive by my parents' house. And as we're talking, and I'm sitting there, you know, I'm writing my notes and I'm like, do you realize at this time what's happening? So he's like, no, like he, he, he's funny. Cause he made a joke with me one time. He's like, you know, like, I mean, do you have, you pay your bills?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Do you use like, they want me to ask you some questions. Like you pay your bills, right? Like you have good credit. He's like, yeah, I got perfect credit. I got a house. I got a mortgage. He's like, okay, you know, we just had to ask some questions. You do live around here. Where was your house? He's like, yeah, he is. Can you believe that? He asked me like, what's my credit?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And I sat there and I thought, you have no idea what's happening.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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um it's funny at the end of that story one of their contacts as they get up through the chain um they're dealing with a guy this guy apples you've ever heard you know they call they have nicknames right like yeah you have a big head they call you apples right his contact apples apples got at some point he gets busted and loses a couple thousand pounds of coke and goes to prison

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the cartel kills both of Apple's brothers who are in Mexico. They just never find their bodies. They just, they, cause they are normal guys. Warren works at like a t-shirt factory. One guy works at, you know, in a retail store, just normal people. Just one day they just go and they're, this guy gets off work. They pick them up. Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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The other one gets off work a couple hours later to pick them up. I don't know if they found their bodies in the desert or he, I forgot. I said, check that thing. But I think he, he said they dropped the bodies off of the desert or something, but I think they were just never found again. They was whatever they're there, but they're definitely, they're gone.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But yeah, it's, it's, you know, people, he was just, if when you talk to him, he's like, I'm telling you this was, he was the nicest guy. This was a nice, but you don't necessarily, just like you said, people believe what they want to believe. Right. He didn't see it. Right. You know, and you don't realize till suddenly you get busted or somebody gets busted. Now I owe them $50,000. Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I also know of times when things have been seized. And guys, you know, but it's clear the DEA got this and they go and you were responsible for it and you go and the cartel says, we're going to let you work it off. You know, I've seen, I've heard those stories before too. And they let them slowly work off the amount that they, but other times you're not so lucky.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, and that guy's just a thief. Yeah. They didn't get seized. You didn't get pulled over and you lost it in transit. No customs. No, no. You stole from us. Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Kidnapping. The kidnapping case.

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So we had these people helping people.

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In the same refrigerator?

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I'll explain what beepers are afterwards.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So see you guys later. It's movie stuff. Yeah. This is the way it plays out in the movies, not in real life.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They're going to make you shave your head so the moth wig fits. Right.

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I was going to say it's like it's it had the best for the situation at hand. It had the best possible outcome, you know, but it's still not like a positive, you know, saying nobody wins. Yeah. Yeah. Nobody wins. No.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'm not the number checker. Oh, you're just the host. You're not paying attention to the analytics? I hate to. I'm just a talent. Yeah, yeah. That's what I told Colby. when we got this and it said media, I said, I really wanted one that says, the talent, the talent. Yeah. Yeah. Um, I can relate to you. I don't have to do the rest of that. Yeah. I didn't talk to you. I'm just kidding.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I didn't talk to your, your cohost. Cause he looks like he looks, he looked at me a couple of times and, And I was like, but he's, he's, he's in good shape. Yeah. Yeah. He's thin. He's, he looks like he's, he looks like he's a little bit, a little buff, but I was like, Tom has that look with everybody. I didn't know he was with you.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, I was going to say, you've got to. Just like when we're talking periodically, it has to spark something where you're kind of, you know, that reminds me of this. Yeah, exactly. And sometimes it makes sense. You know, it's like it's because people don't.

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i get questions all the time people will say oh well you know this is how it is and it's like no that is how it is maybe in california state yeah yeah but in the federal system this is a or what about parole won't he get probation but he was in the feds there's no there's no there's no parole or will he get when is he eligible for parole not in the feds not in the feds he's not you know but you know

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No, they still have parole because my buddy's on parole. Well, where's that? Well, oh, he's in Missouri or something. Yeah, yeah. Okay, well, I don't know.

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Yeah. Yeah, I was going to say, yeah, I was every once we get somebody that that will get some people in the comment section because I'll interview someone who let's say who's like just innocent, like they they were, you know, just railroaded.

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went to prison did like 16 years and then happened to get like the innocence project to run dna ran the dna found out that the dna matched somebody else that guy's in prison for the same kind of thing they put this guy in prison he gets out and so then in the comments they're like you know half the people in prison are innocent and then the cops this the cops that i'm like listen i'm like

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very few people are, are innocent. And even then, now, if you want to say maybe people are over sentenced, you know, there's a sentencing disparity. Like I'll give you that. Like maybe this guy should have got five years. He got 20 years. Okay. I'll give you that. But innocent.

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I didn't mean, I didn't mean anybody that was really, even if they're innocent of one thing, it's like the guy was still making meth. Right. I get it. That was wrong. They probably should have just focused on the meth.

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look at the evidence i mean things go wrong everywhere in the system it's a human system yeah i would say that i'm like listen even if the system even if the system was perfect it doesn't matter it's still run by humans and humans are flawed right um okay yeah um Saying um a lot. Do you feel like there's anything else you want to talk about? Do you feel okay with this so far?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Okay. I appreciate that. Um, I never know what to say when people say that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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uh but i do appreciate it you don't have to say a thing man it's all good um all right so well well okay so one we should turn i can't even see myself i've been the whole time i'm glancing here i've been thinking to myself is this on is this on i don't mean to be insulting when i said you convicted frost i mean help you are you kidding me bro i prefer con man scumbag okay sometimes i go with with

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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i hate to say former scumbag because i'm still considering myself kind of a derelict but i appreciate no listen i had i did a a speech you know i i'd go and i do um like keynote speeches and uh this woman was like what do you want me to say you know at the beginning everything and she said uh i said well she's right now i have white collar i was thinking white collar this and i go well why don't we just go with con man and she goes no seriously i said

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I said, well, you can say former con man. She's, are you serious? I said, would you prefer former fraudster? She's let me go with like former fraudster. And I was like, like, like I was, I said, listen, I'm okay with scumbag. Like I'm not, you know? And, and she just, she's like, I, uh, I'll go with former, former fraudster, current white collar expert. And I was like, oh, okay.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You're, you're doing a whole thing. Oh my God. So, and then I go and I talk in these, you know, have you ever talked to the ACFE?

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Oh, are you? Yeah. Three times. Oh, yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. They're good. I mean, I like doing them. I've done some cyber ones. Yeah. And my favorite, though, is doing... for a mortgage conventions or I just did one for like a credit union, but it was still mortgage based. Like it was kind of like the mortgage departments at the credit union. Yeah.

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So I don't have to, when I say I, you know, I, you know, I changed the verification of deposit or I provided fake, you know, three months worth of fake bank statements or the DTI was off. Like, I don't have to explain that. So if I say I whited out a 30-day late on a verification of rent, you can see all of them. Where a normal person, they have no idea what I just said.

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But you can see the whole crowd. Yeah. Hitting each other. I can't. And I'm sitting there like, you're my people. We understand.

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Okay. See, he said, by the way, he said security. And I went, well, security doesn't mean fraud. That means like he's the guy that tells you who hires an off-duty cop.

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I had one business. I went the whole time when I was pulling money out, I had one CTR filed on me. And we're talking about removing millions of dollars out of the bank in cash.

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I mean, and I had one SAR, by the way, one suspicious activity, just one out of all the times I would go in.

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and say hey i need eight thousand dollars i need seven thousand dollars i need nine thousand and two thousand i need this i went one time i went in and cashed a check for twenty nine hundred dollars for two yeah sorry for twenty nine thousand twenty nine hundred for twenty nine thousand dollars that was a a ctr that was it and that guy that was the bank manager and he knew something was wrong yeah he did everything he could to figure it out yeah and he still ended up coming out and because i wasn't leaving i'm saying

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I don't know how long it's going to take. Make a call. Yeah. Yeah. Get my money. But what I did was the quick, the simple version is, that, well, I own a mortgage company that was regularly subprime. We did FHA, VA, conventional, but the majority of it was subprime. So there was a lot of fraud in the subprime. And it's just like, you know, changing a W-2, changing a pay stub, you know.

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And so, you know, and of course I, you know, there's lots of people who change like a slight, a number here, a number there, which is totally fraud. But, you know, I got to the point where it's like, Now I'm going to change bank statements. Now I'm going to make my own bank statement templates that are in color so I can get so I could send the color bank statement

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three months worth of color bank statements, original bank statements to the underwriters because they would see the originals and they'd call you up and say, oh my gosh, Matt, you sent us the original. I go, oh man, I'm so sorry. Can you send them back? And they go, sure. And I go, oh, can you go ahead and, you know what? Go ahead and stamp those certified copies that you saw the original copies.

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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. And they'd make a copy and certify and then they don't even call them and I'd mail them back. So, and then it got so bad that I then realized, well, what if they do call?

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so you know and so what you did is you i actually went and i made bank websites with my for my own bank for my with my own bank statements so they could call and we would hold on you know you'd say well i can't tell you how much is in in the bank i can but if you tell me i can verify whether i can tell you whether that's true or not yeah well right now it says the balance was yes that's true okay thank you you know um so it you know i did there was all these things like

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Safeguards, security procedures.

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I'm like- You know how hard it is to find a job making $13 an hour?

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Yeah, everybody would have to cooperate and line up and they're just not going to do it.

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We do live in Florida. Where do you live? I live in Wesley Chapel, which is maybe 20 minutes north of Tampa. And Colby lives in Lakeland, which is about 45 minutes or an hour from me.

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Cool. Yeah.

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I hope so. Yeah, yeah. This is good. This is good. I was going to say, I think, you know, I mentioned the chain. I was going to say, back to me. Um, when we were talking about fraud, I was going to say like, it wasn't, it wasn't just changing that. It was like, I ended up making fake identities. Oh, okay. And borrowing money from the bank.

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So it ended up being like multiple scams, like 11 and a half million, three and a half million. Okay. I was on, went on the run. Like that's, that's kind of why. So I, I ended up getting, I ended up doing 13 years in federal prison. I just got out like, like, but the first 10 years are the hardest. Um, so, um, The last... Oh, my God. So... Where were you? Oh, I was at Coleman. Where's Coleman?

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Coleman's a one mile north of Tampa. Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah. I was like the medium for three years. Like, it's all fraud, you know? But I got... Initially, I got 26 years. So, you have to... if you're over 20 years, you have to go to a medium.

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So I ended up in a medium where these guys are like stabbing each other and there's, it's, you know, there's riots and there's, you know, but I would say like, I felt like, like I was like a non enemy combatant in a war zone. Like, you know, I just, there, this is all happening around me. I'm just walking to, I go to work. I teach GED. I teach the real estate class. Yeah.

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for 10 years at both facilities. And then I, um, came back to my cell and I, I write or do whatever. And then I went to the low and then I started writing guys stories and I did that. And towards the end, guys kept saying like, bro, when you get out, you got to do a podcast. I'm like, well, what's a podcast? There was no pod. YouTube had just come out at like a couple of years.

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I'd never been on it.

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So I didn't know what YouTube is. Oh my God. And they're telling me what a podcast is. And probably the last year or so when I was about to get out, people started giving me articles like this is a podcast. Yeah. Look at the top 10 podcast. Like, bro, look, it's all true crime. It's just that I'm like, oh, okay. So I got out and I tried to figure out what this was. You know what I'm saying?

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Like, what is a podcast? And I still didn't do it right away. Like, we just started. I did it for about six months by myself. And then I convinced Colby to come in and help me. And so we've done that for about two years. That's great. And it's, you know, like it's been the last six months to whatever, that's my six or seven months.

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It's like gotten to the point where it's like, it's actually starting to make money. And so now it's like, it's all I do. I mean, Colby was all Colby was doing anyway for about two years, but yeah. Now this is like all I get. That's great.

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yeah i i was actually it's funny i'd have to wear glasses and disguise my voice for that one well when i was when we were when i said so would you feel like that like i was going to wrap it up then we're going to get off i was going to say do you want to do another one like remotely you know just about like or first i was going to ask what did you do and if it was fraud related i was going to say you want to do one a remote one just on kind of like you know your time at u.s bank and you know that sort of thing we could

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That's fine. I have a buddy named Zach, and one of his stories is, which plays into what you had just said, he actually went to – he used to do – he was cashing checks. Yeah. And one day he had a friend of a friend that knew someone that worked in the fraud department. I forget what bank. Let's say Bank of America. So he goes and he meets the guy.

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He says, look, I'll give you $1,000 to just answer 10 minutes worth of questions. So the guy meets him. He gives him $1,000. And he asks him some questions. Look, if I go and do this, what do they do? If I do this, what are they going to call? And he's like, yeah, this, this. He answers the questions.

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And then so they they're talking and then, you know, he, of course, pays him and he goes to get up and the guy goes, Wait a second. You sit back down because what's up? He said, You got another $1,000 on you. And he goes, Yeah. He said, I'm going to tell you something that happens all the time. There's nothing we can do to stop it.

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He said, Now, most people I wouldn't tell because I don't think they could do anything with it, but I think you can.

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He was give me $1,000 and I'll tell you what it is. He was here. He says, Okay. He said, if you own a bank, if you have a bank account and you go into the bank, he said, and you, you take out a thousand dollars, $5,000. He said, and walk into the bank the next day and try and pull your money out. And they say, you don't have $5,000. And you say, what are you, what happened to my $5,000?

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And they check and they go, it was removed, you know, whatever, 20 minutes ago, or it was removed two days ago. You go, I didn't take it. Because they have to give you your money back immediately. And he went, what? He goes, they have to give you your money back. He goes, now they can do an investigation. They can do this, they can do that.

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He said, maybe they'll give you the money back, close the account. They're gonna give you the money back. And he said, and we don't, he said, we don't investigate anything

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under ten thousand dollars and he was like holy he's i don't know what you can do with it he's i know that periodically bank employees tell their friends who have had accounts like they'll load up the account put nine thousand dollars in the account leave it there for a few days and then they'll remove it he said like they'll take their debit card drive four states away remove it and walk into the bank 20 minutes later and say

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Hey, I need to get out $1,000 and have the teller say, you don't have $1,000. You have $42 left. You just took out 9,000. What? Yeah. And so he was like, okay, thanks. So he got up and left. And I remember he said his wife goes, well, there was $1,000 wasted. He goes, are you nuts? He goes, that guy just gave us the ticket, the golden ticket. So he turned around because he could make fake IDs.

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So he would go and get people.

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and he'd give he'd give you three ids and you three ids and you and send you to you know idaho he'd have you go open three bank accounts because you can open about three accounts you know at three different banks before the fourth bank starts to go wait a second are you because they run you through like check systems or that they're like did you just go to you got a bunch of inquiries yeah after about the third one they start really they start going no we're not going to open an account so each guy had three ids and opened up three bank accounts in each id and there's three guys

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So we're talking about like $100,000 at this point. He would then have them, once they got their debit card, they would clone it. They'd send it back. He'd make a card in Florida. He would then go into a US post office. He would order nine $1,000 money orders, swipe it, punch in the PIN number. They'd give him the money orders. He'd then go deposit those. in a corporate account that he had.

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He'd then call those guys up and say, hey, Jimmy, go in the bank. Yeah, I just did, you know, whatever, U.S. Bank. The guy, Jimmy, would walk into U.S. Bank, ask Jimmy, you know, walk in and say, hey, I need to get out 200 bucks. And the person on the counter would go, you've got like $40 in your account. What are you talking about? I got over $9,000. And they go, no, it was taken out. When?

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About 30 minutes ago. Where? Florida? Yeah. And then he'd get Florida. Like I'm in Idaho. Like, what are you talking about? She would, you have your debit card. He'd go right here. And they go, gosh, you need to talk to Jan. And he talks to Jan and Jan's like, oh my gosh, I'm so sorry. We'll be able to put that money back. Even if Jan said, that's weird. It's weird that you opened this account.

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A week ago with $9,000, you just got your debit card and suddenly the money's taken out. He goes, yeah, it is weird. And Jan, I'm not saying that you guys are running a scam here at the bank, but you guys took my money. Well, we're going to need to call the police. Call the police. He's got a fake ID. He's not real. And he also knows they're not going to. She's not going to call the police. No.

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So, right.

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And, and so by, listen, they put the money in the account the next day that he takes the money, closes the account. He would have them walk in and say, I'm not saying you guys are doing anything illegal, but I'm done here. I'm done. Yeah. He'd get the money. And, and so these, he did this like,

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forever like for for years and the guys he's working with are horrible by the way he's like they're drug addicts they're they take off with the money they would they were like he actually came up with a system where he would remove he he would remove the money where one of the things they would say is what do you mean my money's gone i just wrote a check for a down payment on a house for nine that that that's gonna clear tonight and they'd be like don't worry it'll clear and so he got the money back they didn't actually but they would go in the next day when all that was clear and they'd close the account mm-hmm

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So, yeah, he did this forever. And he said sometimes the problem is they're drug addicts. So, you know, they'd make... whatever, 40 grand or 80 grand. He said they'd get 20. And he said, you couldn't work with them after that. You gave a drug addict 20 grand. Even if he showed up the next time, he couldn't function well enough to do what he's supposed to do.

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So he said they were good for one, maybe two. Oh, my God. And keep in mind, these people that he sent didn't know him. They knew him through a phone number. They couldn't give him up. Right. So he would he would get a phone call from like the hotel saying, listen, the cops were called your guys walking around naked in the parking lot. I don't know. You know, look, we're we're concerned.

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Yeah, I was going to say, I love the, well, you know, it's the cops. They can't lie to you.

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We're afraid we're going to have to move him out. He'd be like, yeah, that's fine. I understand. Pull the card out. Get rid of it away. You'd be like, that guy, he's burnt. We're leaving him in Washington State. He can't get back. And he can't call. Oh, my God. I got to get boogieing back over to the show and shit. Yeah, yeah. You wrapped up or do you? Yeah, let me wrap this up. Okay, sorry. Okay.

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All right. Hey, so I appreciate you guys checking out the interview. And we're going to leave all of the links and the links in the description box for Gold Shield. And and we'll leave the link. And I appreciate it. I appreciate you guys watching and see you.

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You have to tell me if you're a police officer.

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Do you ever see that guy that goes to New York City and he does TikToks and he stops for random people and he's like, hey, how many states are there? And they're like, man, I'm not good with that. And they're like, okay, just guess. And they'll be like... 30. And he's like, right, right.

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Hey, this is Matt Cox, and I am here with Dan Murphy. And we just met him at PodFed. No, wait, we met him at, we're at CrimeCon. And we just met him at CrimeCon. I'm not even gonna redo that. We just met Dan at CrimeCon, and he is the co-host of a podcast called Gold Shield with Tom Smith. And he is a retired New York City detective? Detective? I'm getting so much right.

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Partially right. They just, this one after another. Can you tell me what country the Great Wall of China is in? Yeah.

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I don't know. It's like, so, who's the, what, or who, you know, who is what the queen of England? And they're like, I don't know. What queen is she the country of?

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I can't see no Europe. I can't see Europe from here.

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Well, how long did you work that job before you were transferred?

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Yeah. And Matthew, the whole premise of the Sinatra Club is that it was important because there was always these internal wars going on with all the five crime families in New York, or there's beefs between other factions and families and stuff like that. But they would always come to the Sinatra Club. That salad opened up with his partner, Dominic Cataldo. And they would all get along there.

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They'd gamble. They'd set up certain different crimes, heists, whatever they wanted to do. And they'd just get along there.

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So, I mean, it was a neutral spot. It was a church.

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How did you come up with the Sinatra Club?

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And that's where he came from.

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And that roundy, he was... What was it? Carmine Galante's nephew or something? Yeah.

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So they were down the block. Yeah.

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So, well, I was going to say, you just reminded me of something. I wish I could remember his name. Uh, the guy, they call him the chin. He used to walk around in the chair.

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Crazy. Yeah.

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Crazy. Yeah. So one of the guys underneath him was my celly for like two months. He was called a lamb or somebody like that. Or, I forget. I want to I forget his name. He had gone to prison for. Well, first of all, he went to prison for like three or four years. And then just as he was about to get out, the feds reindicted him. on like tax evasion or something.

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And so he went for another, um, he had to do another like four years. Um, I, I think he'd only been arrested one time. And I remember he was, listen, he was, I, he was the coolest guy. You know, of course, he's in, you know, he's locked up. He's got, you know, they've got, he's got somebody cooking for him. Right. Three people are going to commissary. He's buying everything out of the kitchen.

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You know, I mean, he's got money, but he's got nothing to do. So that was Vincent, Vincent Chaganty was his name. The chin.

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Oh, okay. But it was. Yeah. Matthew's talking about someone that was his cellmate that was under Vincent. Right. Right.

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I can't believe I can't remember his name. He was the coolest guy.

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Which one? I was in Coleman, Coleman federal. This was in, no, this was in the low at the Coleman in the low. Wow. Um, and he just been reindicted. Like he'd been reunited. Like he had maybe a year or two to go. Uh, anyway, he, I, I just, I always remember he said, he said, I, But prior to this arrest, he said, I've only been arrested one time. And they dropped the charges.

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And I was like, I said, really? I said, why'd they drop the charges? He said, you know, he said, this guy, he said, I own a construction company. And he said, one of the guys that owned the construction company, or sorry, one of the guys that worked at the construction company had lent money. And the guy, one of the guys wasn't paying, couldn't pay the money.

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And he said, oh, well, I forget the guy's name. Let's say it's, John or Anthony. They say he is. Well, you just wait till Anthony finds out. He is. And because he is. Well, the guy got scared and went to the feds and state and got wired up. Oh, he said, came back and said, well, what if I don't pay? What's what's Anthony going to do?

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He said, oh, listen, he said, you don't want to know what Anthony is going to do. And he said he went on and on and he's going to do this. He's going to get your whatever, break your fingers or do something. And so he then. So they went out and got an indictment. grabbed the guy that made the threat. So they've got all these guys. They've got the main guy who wore the wire.

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They have the guy that said Anthony's going to hurt him. And so they take, so they come and they surround this guy's house. And, uh, he wasn't even at the house. He said, I was at my girlfriend's house. He said, my wife calls me at my girlfriend's house and said, dang, your fucking house is surrounded. So, uh, He's all right. All right. Go out there. He's called the lawyer.

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Tell him I'll turn myself in, you know, Monday. So he said on Monday, I turned myself in. I get right back out. And I said, so what happened? He said, yeah. So they dropped there. They hadn't dropped the charges like four or five, six months later. I said, why? And he goes, you know, that guy, that guy, that the guy that wore the wire. And I said, right. He said he he had like an accident.

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Oh, yeah. What an accident. And he goes, right. I said, what do you mean an accident? He said, um, you know, they, they, I said, like, like he, he got hit by a car accident. He said, ah, they, they found them in, um, tears. They found them in a dumpster. And I, well, Oh, was he a garbage man? I said, like, you know, did he slip and fall in the compactor and ended up in the dumpster?

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Or he said, you know, you know, Matt, I like you. He said, but, you know, when you wear wires back then on people, he said, you know, you tended to have accidents.

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He said he had an accident. They dropped the charges. Then I got arrested like 20 years later. And he said for this fucking thing. Yeah.

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Yeah. it's a yeah yeah no they got their humor like like Sal had said like John Gotti and uh his brother Gene or one of them you know just the same thing I mean they just had they were really they just moved on with life after doing something like that yeah John was John was extremely witty he's a very witty guy he was and uh he was always ahead of everybody else they would just

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No kidding. I mean, Matthew, so you were bringing up some stories about prison and the commissary and everything. Do you want Sal? Because he was kind of at that point where he had got arrested. But in prison, he kind of had the same situation with, like, commissary.

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Oh, listen, back then they had it way better than we have. Like you guys could do some, like it's practically state prison where I was at. Um, uh, so when, so after the Sinatra called, what did you get arrested at during that time?

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That's Michael Francis is right.

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That sounds like a lot of money.

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I was sitting in Texas. What happened with that? How did that come about?

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What was the new name?

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How long did you go under that name?

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Yeah. I mean, it was kind of interesting in his situation too, Matthew, is because with the Sinatra Club, he had made the movie and then wrote the book about it. And usually his vice president.

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Yeah, I was going to say it's, well, one, it's funny because you mentioned Ernest Borgnine. I actually just watched Escape from New York. A few days ago. Yeah. But the other thing is, I was going to say that it's funny how many guys that are involved in crime get out and then get involved in the movie business.

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He plays a good Italian. I was going to say, there's tons of like TikTok clips of him and Joe Rogan. And every time I watch him, he's, you know. He's hilarious. He's hilarious.

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No. I mean, I'm in Tampa, Florida. I'm not sure he gets to Tampa, Florida very often.

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Yeah, if he did, I would. That's for damn sure.

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Um, yeah, he, uh, so how long, so I, so you were only, you only lived under the, uh, Witness protection name? Witness protection for, what, five or six years?

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I mean, overall though, I mean, everything that, you know, we, we talked about today. I mean, it's just, it's a whole different era. So when people think about all these stories and stuff, I mean, you got to keep in mind, like, like he said, Google didn't exist, uh, you know, cameras and all that kind of crap. So that's why he was able to do this kind of stuff. I mean, Sal's turned his life around.

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I mean, he's not, And that, you know, doesn't have that same mindset. He never did any crime after.

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Yeah, it's funny. When I went into prison, you know, I went into prison and I, and what I did in prison was I wrote stories. I just wrote, started writing guys stories down. You know, if I, if you had an interesting story, I would research it. I'd order the freedom of information act. I'd order your case file. I'd order everything and just start putting it together.

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And, and some, some of them were books, uh, wrote about 24, 23, 24, uh, synopsis of stories, like maybe 10, 12,000 words, you know? And, uh, and, Like that's one of the things I do now. But while I was writing these stories in prison, guys kept telling me as I got closer to the door, they were like, bro, you got to, You got to do a podcast.

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Well, when I was when I got locked up, there was no such thing as a podcast. Right. Like YouTube had been out for like a year.

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You know, Facebook had just come out maybe a month before I got arrested. So I'm like, what's a podcast like people like a podcast? No, I don't. They don't even realize that that word was invented. You know what I'm saying? That wasn't a common thing. They made. So I started reading articles and got out and said, oh, okay. Yeah. I should do a podcast when I get, I get it.

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And you know, they were saying, oh, true crime's huge. You know, like what's true crime. What are you talking about? They're like writing real crime stories.

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Like I didn't even know what I was doing. I was doing it. I was already doing this kind of in prison before. Yeah. I didn't even know it. Yeah.

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I mean, the same thing, then you get out, and I get the whole Hollywood, you know, beating you up with a pen, like, I've had multiple things, like, stolen, I've had, you know, you're watching a TV show, and you realize that the producer ripped your stuff off and went back, and you're like, wow.

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Yeah, I've had, yeah.

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What the hell did you do with that?

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Seth, be careful with it.

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Yeah, like I always say, look, I'd rather deal with guys in prison than guys in Hollywood. Exactly. If something goes wrong, it could go wrong for the person fucking you over. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? In Hollywood, they just, oh, well, that just happened. It's always... Yeah, that's a rough business.

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Much more than crime.

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Yeah, no, I mean, so Sal, you really, at the beginning, just started off with gambling, and then eventually it just led into more and more crimes and bank robberies, heists, and different stuff like that. And in the beginning of this interview, too, you talked about doing white-collar crimes. And, you know, that was that's what, you know, Matthew was involved with as well.

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We can mention what the show is, right, Sal? Yeah, Fear City. It's season two, I believe it is. And they cover the mafia, different families and stuff. And yeah, so they got Sal on there making an appearance. And I think they had on the first season, like John A. Light, Michael Francis. Yeah, guys like that. And it was really good. I enjoyed it. So Sal has that coming out.

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Oh, listen, I did every interview. I did two interviews with him. The comment section, they hate. I've never seen anybody get so much hate. I mean, they just hammer him, hammer away at him. He's very nice to me. He's polite to me. He seemed like a nice guy. But then again, I wouldn't know what's true and what's not true.

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Right, right.

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We weren't there. Sal was, but I wasn't there. Me and Matthew, we weren't there. I mean, we're talking about Cuba and being friends with Batista. I'd be like, oh, okay.

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Oh yeah. There was a picture of them. Yeah. Yeah. Him and Trump took a picture together. And then Trump also took one with Joey Merlino, the, the alleged boss of the Philadelphia.

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I was in prison with Joey Marlino. I had lunch with him a couple of times and, um, and, uh, you know, quiet, nice guy kept to himself. Well, I mean, seemed like a nice guy, you know.

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So, I mean, what what did that look like? Was that in the earlier years as well? I'm assuming that was that was the later years.

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I can't recall.

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yeah i mean that's and so essentially yes he was sal had was in prison with a lot of guys i mean there there was a lot of from you know the five new york crime families of course and then surprisingly too a lot of guys from the philadelphia crime family that would go on to be in a lot of internal wars and be high level ranking guys so sal got us

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be around them when they're really young and experience what they were like and stuff like that. And it's, it's just crazy. I mean, where he was at and how, what a big coincidence that he ended up there with all of them at the same time.

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Listen, I used to say I went into prison with like a GED and fraud and walked out with a master's degree. You learn a lot. There's a lot of smart guys in there.

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Yeah, everybody's going to get busted.

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Yeah. Well, I mean, do you have anything else you want to throw at him before we, I suppose, I mean, I guess we're almost to that hour. Ask me whatever, Matthew.

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No. I don't have anything. It's so funny because I'm sitting here and as we're talking about this, I'm thinking that would make a good TikTok reel. That would make a good TikTok, you know. That's a good two minute story. That's a good three minutes. But no, I was just thinking when I went to, I was at the medium security prison in Coleman for about three years.

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And I remember when I first got there, I was sitting at the, I was sitting at a table one time with these guys and, you know, and they're just, it was like when I first got there, like, you know, everybody's pretty quiet and I forget what happened. Somebody said, I don't know what I said, but I ended up saying, yeah, man, I got 26 years. Because I did. I had 26 years.

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And I remember somebody goes, yeah, that's a good bit of time. I got 30 years. And I turned around and another guy, black guy sitting across from me, looked up at me and he goes, I'm never leaving. Oh, my God. And I thought... Stop complaining about your time. Nobody. How much time did you do out of the 20, 13? I did 13, about almost 13 years. Oh yeah.

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Oh boy. Wow. Very upset with me.

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No, I still owe $6 million, but I'm good for it.

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I'm making payment.

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I see. And it's crazy how that works, man.

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It's fine. Listen, you know what the problem is? I started off and I was complaining, right? I got 12 years knocked off my sentence. So technically, I'm supposed to be in prison right now. My outdate was 20-30. That didn't have to happen. I was lucky. I'm glad. I mean, I did everything I could to get those off. But, you know, the truth is, do I?

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I think, you know, I don't think I deserve to go to prison. I don't think I deserved it. I probably deserve 10 years, but not that that's too much time, but it's not well with game time. Maybe I would have done five or six, but the bottom line is that, you know, like you don't get to make that choice. Like it's not up to me.

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And the other thing is that, you know, honestly, for every, you know, every time I start to bitch about it, I think about. I think about some, some black kid who brought a gun to a $10 crack sale and is doing 30 years. Right.

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Because fucking stupid, stupid law or somebody who was selling drugs to people that wanted the drugs and they had a little bit too much and they got some 20 year minimum mandatory. And I'm saying like, there's so many unfair sentences. I don't, I try not to bitch about it. And listen, I made the best of it.

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It's just like you, like, like, you know, look, what would have been a good life? You know, getting a job at a rate, a regular job and raising a family and being a soccer dad. And that's like the right thing. I wish sometimes I think, well, I wish that's what I had done. Like it just didn't work out like that. Right. I have different memories.

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Yeah. Well, it leaves no room for, for, for doubt. Well, it leaves no room to say, Hey, there are extenuating circumstances. You know, like sometimes you don't, sometimes you don't have a choice. You know, you're born into a, listen, you're born into a criminal, basically a family, but a criminal organization and you were never given a choice, but to do anything else.

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So, so, you know, I, I just, I don't know. It, there's just no good answer, but I'll tell you what's, what's not a solution is What's not a solution is spending $11,000 to educate a student a year and spending $30,000 to house somebody. When you know that people with education don't commit as much crime as people without an education. Exactly.

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Why wouldn't you just say, hey, every one probation officer can watch. 25 guys. So why wouldn't you just let these guys out? Why do you even have a camp? They have out custody. You could put them on ankle monitors. You could, with today's technology, you could monitor where all these guys are. You could have red zones. They can't drop the clothes, drop the clothes. I mean,

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Like, what are you doing? Like, it's doing nothing but getting votes. It's all about votes. And it's big business. Yeah. Oh, yeah. 20 and 30 year sentences for filling out some paperwork. Right. Like, that's ridiculous. And some of these sentences are just fucking outrageous. And they don't change anything. Does it reduce crime?

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Listen, I always thought, I used to always say, you know what they ought to do? They ought to teach a class in every high school or middle school on the federal sentencing guidelines.

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And let them know that they're like, wait a minute. I've just been selling dime bags. No, you sold 30 pounds of pot. Right. Because you add all of that up and they'll call it ghost dope. And you got caught with 30 pounds of pot. Now you're going to do five years. They'd go. Five years. How am I going to do? No, no, I just sound a little cut 20, 30. No, that's not how it works.

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You start telling them how it works and they'll go nuts. You said it, education's the end. That is true. Guys will call me and say, hey bro, I'll give you five grand and you'll just tell me how this works. I'm like, uh-uh. I'm already on the conspiracy. I'm already on the indictment. Right. You're going to get caught. No, I would never tell on you.

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Well, let's pretend that's true, which I don't believe. But assume it's true. They've got to get your phone. They're going to run my phone number. They're going to see it at my name, who I am. They're going to run my record. And they're they're not even going to they're just going to add me to the indictment.

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And then I'm going to go to trial. I can't take the stand to explain what happened because they'll bring up my past record. Well, the jury will convict me on the fact that I've been in prison. for doing the same thing that you got caught with, even though I just told you no. Don't call me that. People just don't understand how it works.

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And that RICO, man, I mean, that's a whole other thing, man. Yeah, conspiracy, Jesus.

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It's up to like 97% now. Yeah. Yeah. Although, let's face it, if you have money, it does equal the semi- helps level the playing field to a degree.

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That's true. We'll see how it pans out with him, but before we do stop, Sal, I was going to say, so our Patreon channel is called A Lifetime of Mafia Tales with Salvatore Polisi, and then my name's Adrian Martinez, so you can look it up on Patreon, and then our YouTube is Invest In Yourself Podcast, and It's all together. It's Invest in Yourself Podcast and A Lifetime of Mafia Tales.

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I know it's a long name, but me and Sound just partnered up.

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Well, you know what we'll do is Colby will put your YouTube link and your Patreon link in the description box. Cool. Perfect. Yeah, I'll send it over. Thank you, Matthew. Appreciate it. Yeah, I appreciate you spending the last hour with me.

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He has a whole other perspective on this other side. Okay.

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Hey, this is Matthew Cox, and I appreciate you guys checking out the video. Do me a favor and hit the subscribe button, hit the bell so you get notified of videos just like this. Check the description box for Sal and Adrian's YouTube link and their Patreon, and thanks for checking out the video.

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Well, I mean, going back to like when you were, you said you were a teenager and you When did you first start getting into basically working with the mob? At what age? We just jumped. We just did a huge mob year jump.

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Oh, yeah. To be a boss of a crime family, hell yeah. I mean, those guys said it'd be geniuses. I mean, in the wrong field. But you know what I mean? You have to be really smart to be a boss of one of them.

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Matthew, I don't know if you guys recently seen, there was in the news, they had this, maybe like a few days ago, they had posted, there was mafia guys in New York, like associates of the Lucchese family, they went and tried to rob a bank, or not a bank, but a jewelry store, and what had happened was, They all got busted, literally. I think the next day they had phone calls.

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They had all this stuff, and boom. I mean, the stuff Sam was talking about, I mean, you can't do this. You can't get away with it unless you're some super tech genius. I mean, this stuff doesn't exist anymore.

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Um, it was probably what, uh, about roughly 18 years ago. Oh yeah. A lot different. Yeah.

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Yeah. Well, um, so Matthew, do you want to kind of start talking about his, uh, his involvement with the Sinatra club and with.

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Yeah. What, what, at what point, what were you doing? So that, that was in your early twenties. You're saying now, uh, When did you get involved in the Sinatra Club? Did you open the club?

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Hey, this is Matt Cox, and I'm going to be doing an interview with Salvatore Polissi and Adrian Martinez. It's going to be a super interesting interview. Adrian's going to be helping me out. He knows all about Sal, and so it's going to be about an hour interview, so I appreciate you guys watching. Check out the interview. So where were you born? Was this in New York, New Jersey?

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19.

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Uh,

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Yeah.

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$500.

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Yeah, yeah.

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The police?

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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He's had some issues.

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Oh, is it?

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Investigates, okay. That's his Instagram name. Oh, is it? He's a private investigator, a retired FBI agent.

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Yeah, I have a few questions just to clarify. I know you covered it, but I just kind of want to clarify because if I'm a little confused, maybe some audience is confused. Is the Georgia property and the New York property, are those linked at all? Or are those kind of two separate things?

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So kind of the storyline with the wife and the deed theft in New York are two separate type of things?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So with the deed theft... In New York. So from my understanding, it's your family home that you've lived in for hundreds of years, right? Yes. And then... No mortgage on it. At some point, the ownership got dispersed to many, many family members.

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And then that's when the... They're not on title. Right.

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Yeah. And so then the Amalo brothers, is that their name? Amalo, yes. Amalo brothers approached these people who sang... This is our property, but they're not on the paperwork. And they give them whatever, $500,000, a million for their... Their portion. Their portion of the property. And then they just take control of the whole entire property.

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And then what they did was... They go in and evict everybody.

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So even though... Who's on the title, I guess? Does it...

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And so these new people have moved in. Are you guys? No, no, we're still in the property.

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Yeah, so he's making the decisions for me.

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You've been going back and forth, but I get it. But this conservator, he was dealing with the property in Georgia, right? Just in Georgia. And then these people from New York reached out to him or whatever the deal was. And he just signed off.

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Right. And what does he say? Like,

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Yeah.

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And what the fam, this family member who sold the house in New York.

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And when they came to try to get you guys out of the house, you guys just like, we're not leaving.

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So what's that? Since they came in, what's the battle been like?

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So right now you're in the middle of an eviction court.

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And these quote unquote investors or people who are taking these properties are just looking... at trying to find people who have quote-unquote partial ownership or maybe like a relative have died and they're trying to come in and buy partial properties and then take over the whole thing.

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Is it 50, 25, or...

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Yeah, and these guys aren't paying $1.4 million unless it's working. With other properties, right?

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And have you met or come across anybody that has gone through the whole entire process and been kicked out?

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How long ago was this thing in the neighborhood?

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2023, yeah.

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Scrolling through the website. So this was actually, the article was posted in 2024, so last year in the summer.

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With you guys sitting outside the house. So this is the house that you guys stay at?

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Do you know or do you just don't know who it is?

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So you think they sold it? They sold it.

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So how are you feeling personally for this property? Do you feel like you're going to win? Oh, yeah.

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For these people that get kicked out of their properties, why were they kicked out? What didn't they do to...

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Is there any way for someone to prevent this? Like if they inherit a house with their family members. This is a tough one.

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They move you to the higher.

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We're making $1.2 million a month. I have IDs to go with any card that I need. So I had a crib in Scottsdale. I had a crib in Houston and Miami. One of my best friends is a U.S. Marshal. Nobody knows that I'm a scammer. So I was charged with bank fraud, wire fraud, aggravated identity theft. My mindset is, bro, I'm coming back with a vengeance.

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X said companies getting these complaints. Right. So. Y'all need to go ahead and be FDCPA certified on paper. All right. And abide by that to stay open. So he brought him in for like a week. And then I guess he was like, yeah, no, I ain't going to do it like that. You know what I mean? Like, so he literally, I mean, dude, I'm telling you, it's a hundred people down.

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You know what, though? I was locked up with a few guys that did the sweepstakes scam. You know about the sweepstakes scam?

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Well, okay, so you remember the sweepstakes when you just fill them out, put them in a little box? Yeah. Fill them out, put them in a box, right? Right. So you get the leads on those. Right. Right. So I was I was locked up with a few guys used to get the leads on them. And like you said, they'll tell them, hey, look, you know, hey, this is such and such. Hey, you know, you won. You won.

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Yeah, you won one hundred and fifty thousand dollars in the sweepstakes. Oh, my gosh. You just got to pay on the taxes real quick. Mm hmm. Get it released. Man, but see, they were actually taking old ladies and old men. Yeah, they're targeting old people. That's crazy.

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Especially if you put it in an ATM. Right.

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You know, they were doing that, too, around 2013. They were doing it. They're still doing it now. It's huge. No, no, no. They would call it the secret shopper. Secret shopper. Yeah. Nice. Secret shopper.

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Yeah. Hey, I want you to be a secret shopper for me. Okay, I want you to go in and they give you a list of places. I want you to go in and this, this, this, and this. Hey, here's $2,500. $1,500 is yours. $1,000 is mine. You know, just use secret shopping. Don't tell anybody that you're in their shop. And they send the change.

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We, we went straight to the unemployment office same day. Right. Right. So, uh, I'm thinking to myself like, golly, man, like it's over, but there are other collection agents. So when you're in that field, uh, you know the people that own collection agencies. It's like a underworld right sense. You know what I'm saying?

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No, you got the $1,500. Oh, yeah, you got the $1,000. Yeah, I'm screwed. The scamster gets the $1,000 back. But it's bouncing all over your bank account, though. It's over for you. There's so many scams. Especially if you actually have your own hard-earned money in your bank account. You know what I'm saying? So let's say that you can cover... That you're still out of $2,500. Yeah, you're out.

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You're out.

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Yep. Yeah. You keep sending those emails too.

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That's the dude that said he got too close and the girl knew his name. You know, his partner. Or homeboy.

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Yeah, with the chick. Yep. And she told on everything.

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Like, oh yeah, I know such and such has that collection agency and he does and he does and he does. So, yeah, you could have bounced around and worked for different agencies and stuff like that. But it's like, ah, you know, they're probably not going to pay you what you're going to get paid. And the paper, well, I call it paper, but the portfolios probably aren't that good.

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That is bad, man. I ain't taking no Social Security. Oh, my God, bro. See, I took what I knew you could get back. Yeah. Well, I mean, listen, it's credit cards.

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They're probably stepped on. Stepped on meaning like.

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Yeah, man, I already heard this already, man. Get off my phone, man. Right. Y'all playing, man. Y'all still calling me, man. That was 2007, you know. That was seven years ago, man. I don't care about all, you know.

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I would have gave them a bullshit card. A what? Bullshit card. One of my old expired cards. Yeah, here you go. I got a card for you right now, man. Let's just put it on file.

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That was me. That was me, for sure. So, yeah. Man, we all go down to the... Unemployment. Unemployment office and file for unemployment. And... So this is where I'm kind of introduced to fraud. Right. So but mind you, now, I will say this, too. While I was there. Right. I was I used to write down.

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If you're just a trash collector, like... you know, you might, you, you know, trash collectors clear 60. Right. But I actually, so I actually got into character with this stuff. Right. So, um, I had a shake name, right. I had a shake name and I will also have a clothes name. So whenever I called the people would be like, ring, ring, ring, ring, ring, ring, ring. Hello. Hey, this is Victor Roy he.

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socials here and there like ah man you know just you know my little sticky note like ah an odd thing to do man you know wonder what i could do with this thing but i i didn't know what i could do with it at the time because i never really tried to tap into that you know i was i was by the book uh for the most part when i was when i was with the stripper though yeah

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I did get locked up for uttering a forged instrument. Okay. In Asheville, North Carolina. Well, out of Asheville, North Carolina, I met up with some, some African guys and we would take some trips and go to the Piggly Wiggly and, uh, Piggly Wiggly. Yeah. That's a, that's a, I know a Piggly Wiggly. I know what it is. Yeah. You know what Piggly Wiggly is.

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Uh, so yeah, we'll go to the Piggly Wiggly and, um, I would cash the checks. And back then, you could cash the checks at the grocery store. They gave me straight cash. Boom. Now, where he messed up with how I got caught and how I found out I got caught was he didn't change enough numbers on my license. You remember the old license? Yeah. Those were just like PVC and like a piece of whatever.

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It was very simplistic versus now. Yeah. Very much so. So he didn't change enough numbers on there. They end up coming back. And you know what? I didn't even know I had a warrant out there. I got pulled over for speeding. Right. Going to get the girlfriend from the strip club, get pulled over. All right. And do like, hey, man, you know, he said, man, I ran you through the NCIC.

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You know, you got a you know, you got a warrant in Asheville and Buncombe County. Absolutely not. For what? I'm saying. It's crazy. Yeah. Uttering the Forge instrument. Do you know some Nigerians? Man, sir, what's that? So, yeah, but end up getting out and it wasn't a felony. They just wanted me to pay. So actually only one check came back. Right. So I just had to pay.

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It was like three hundred dollars paid that misdemeanor. Cool. So boom, back to 2014 though, we did that and one of my homeboys that was actually living with me, I had two of my homeboys that worked at the collection agency living with me at the time, right? One of my homeboys, he knew somebody that could do like the transfers with Bank of America. Right. So I'm like, all right, cool.

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You know, I don't know.

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I'm not doing anything with them. Okay. They just sitting on sticky pads. Right. Right. Sitting on sticky pads. And so I'm like, ah, I don't know what to do with them. Right. I just got the name, the social. Cool. All right. So my homeboy like, listen, I got a quick, you know, little money thing we can get, you know, we can do. And I'm like, all right, cool. Let's do it.

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So he does it and it's successful. Mind you now, what is it? Uh, so they're transferring, they're transferring the, um,

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guess like from your account to his right right and it shows up but it goes away or something like that i didn't really indulge in what they were doing i just knew he did it and and he didn't pay the people that he was that did it for him right but he split it amongst us right so we all got like thirty three hundred dollars a piece and now at this time now i'm i'm

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dealing with this girl that lives in Houston. So I'm like, you know what? I'm about to move to Houston. So me and my homeboy pack up, drive from North Carolina to Houston, get out to Houston. Cause she's, she was an HR for her job at the time. And she's like, look, baby, I got job interview for you. Boom, boom, boom, boom. All right. I clear my job interview. I've been telling him,

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Hey, bro, you got to stop smoking. You know, he's still smoking. So he fails his drug test. I passed mine. I passed the typing, all that stuff. Right. It was for a logistics company. And I get the job, but I don't want to leave my homeboy. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, ah, I'm like, dang, I'm like. So we come back to North Carolina. We go back to North Carolina. All right.

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So when we get back to North Carolina, he ends up moving to Orlando with my other homeboy. Right. They take their money, leave me. And I'm like, dang, maybe I should have left him. You know what I'm saying? Like, dang, bro, you know, I'm with the bros. You feel me? So they leave me. They come down here to Orlando. They come to Orlando. And that's when I'm introduced to the dark web.

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So if I would have known what I know now, I would have kept all my bitcoins. Right. All of them, you know, because, man, we were getting bitcoins for the... We would pay $300 for 20, 30 Bitcoins at that time. It was fairly low. So they end up meeting some guys from New York out here in Orlando, and they have their little thing going on with the cards, right?

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And so this is a thing too. You have to... Okay, so look, this is how the collections used to work. You had to... Abide by the FDCPA laws. All right. So I can't call you and say I'm the sheriff. I'm not the sheriff. I can't call you and say I'm anybody that I'm not, but I can be a process server. Okay. Anybody can be a process server. You, me, Kobe, anybody. Right. So that's what I would do.

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So what they were doing was they had the reader and writer. Right. So they had a reader. They would take the card. They would take your card number, put it on a strip. All right. And they would go and make purchases. All right. Do they still have Winn-Dixie out here? Yes, they do. You remember Winn-Dixie? So that's where they was. Yeah, they were banging Winn-Dixie out, too.

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But the thing was, they were guessing. Because I came down here for like a week and hung out with them and saw what they were doing. I mean, these guys, they massive, massive piles of just like gift cards and stuff like that. And I'm like, dang, I'm like, bro, do y'all even like y'all just guessing? Right. So what do I do? I say, man. How can I make this better? Right. Instead of guessing.

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So I come back to Charlotte. I started working at another collection agency briefly. This is after the unemployment ran out. I started working for another collection agency and in the midst of me working for that collection agency, I started doing my criminal mischief. This is what I started doing though. Let me think, was it? Yeah, all right. Lending Tree was out.

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So this is before Credit Karma and all of that stuff. So what I would do was I would check the person's credit ahead of time, right? Check their credit. Now, this is in 2014. Yeah, end of 14, 15, where people, you're not really, at that time, you're not really keeping up with your credit like that. You know what I'm saying? You don't have alerts on your phone, like credit alerts.

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You know what I'm saying? Right. So I was I would check the person's credit, see what credit cards they didn't have, and then I would apply for the credit cards that they didn't have. Right. So. I would know the limits. Right. And now the only bad thing about that was I would have it sent to your house.

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All right, so I would have to know your mail schedule so I could get your mail before you got it.

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I ain't getting out. I'm the mailman. So... I'm not getting out. I'm the mailman. So, um, that's how I actually incorporated myself in, into, into the fraud that I started doing. So, um, boom. All right. I have the lending tree going. All right. I'm checking your stuff. Okay. You don't have a max discover, uh, capital one chase and out of platform, uh,

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Well, first I checked your credit to see what you could, and then I pre-qualified you, right? So I never really went in the blind. And the reason why I had, because I had a few trial and errors. What would happen was, you know, a denial letter would get sent to your address. So let's say that you didn't qualify for Amex, but I'm like, oh, you have a 680 or you have a 700.

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Just because you have a 700 doesn't mean that Amex is going to give you a credit card, right? Right. So- I would start seeing denial letters when I'm getting the cards. And I'm like, oh, whoa, okay. How can I bypass that? Let me start pre-qualifying to see. I also ran into hiccups with getting the cards whenever I would do more than like four in a day.

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So if I try to do like four credit cards in your name in one day, one of the credit card companies would kick it out. Mostly Citibank. Citibank would kick it out real bad. Like they like, yeah, no too many credit card inquiries for the day. Right. Right. Or the month, whatever. So boom. I started doing that.

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So I'm getting the credit cards, and I had a few different trials and errors with the credit cards, all right? So I get the credit card. I activate it. I'm like, oh, yeah. And mind you, now, this is when, like, with Capital One and Discover and stuff, you could just call and set the pin up instead of them sending the pin in the mail, right? You could just call, set the pin up over the phone.

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And I will also use different lingos to be like, let's say like Lakeland County. Right. I would never say, I'm with Lakeland County. I will always say I'm within Lakeland County. You understand what I'm saying? So I will call you. It'll be something like this. Boom. You answer the phone. Hey, hello. Hey, Matthew. I wouldn't even ask if there was a male on the phone and I'm calling a male.

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So that's what I would do. First day, boom, set the... activate the card, set the pin up. I'm going to the ATM, baby. I got 15,000 in Matt Cox's name. And it's saying that I can get 7,500 cash. Yeah. I'm going to the ATM. I need that. Cause at, you know, at that point in time, we didn't have the cash apps and stuff. Now we didn't have Venmo cash apps. It was hard.

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So I went, so this was one of my trial and errors. I go to the bank. I mean, excuse me. I go to the ATM, put the card in, put the number in. Mind you, I just activated this card 30 minutes ago, maybe 40. Right. Decline. Nothing. Yep. Locked up. Card locked up. I call the people. Hey, I just got my card in the mail. I'm trying to figure out why, you know, I got denied for a cash advance. Oh, sir.

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I mean, that looks like fraud. I swear. Yeah. Yeah. The lady over the phone, when she said that, I was like, oh, okay. I was like, no. She was like, well, look, this is what you can do. You can send this in. Because this was Amex, actually. So, you know, Amex is the worst. They want you to send driver's license number in and proof of residence and all this stuff.

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So, of course, I couldn't send that in. So, I did that. And I'm like, okay, well... How, you know, how can I get around that? Because at the time, I don't, you know, I'm not doing the ID thing yet. I don't, you know, I'm not, I'm not sophisticated. This is like my first round.

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You know, so. I'm just buying little dumb stuff at Walmart, just buying gas, just little knick-knack stuff. I haven't gotten built up yet to do anything. All right. Come back down to Orlando. All right. My guys, they've gotten a little bit more sophisticated with what they have going on. So now... They have the what they call an embosser.

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OK, so now what they're doing is they're embossing their names on the gift cards. OK, I'm like, bro, what? Yeah, they little thing is make a little noise. You got to line it up just right. And they're embossing their names on the gift cards and also matching the last four. right? They matching everything. So I'm like, okay, I need to get an embosser then. However,

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I'm clicking in my mind like, wait, but how am I going to emboss my name on somebody else's card? All right. Cause your name already comes with your, you know, your card already comes with your name on it. What I did was I started, I bought a flat iron, like the one that the girls use for their hair. And I started melting the card down and it'll melt.

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So I melted the card down and I used a, um, like a Brillo pad, scrape it right off. And then I would emboss my name over the top of it.

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Yeah. But when the receipt came, it says Matthew Cox. Yeah, yeah. And not me. So... I started bypassing with that, and then that just was that turn from little purchases into a few more big purchases, going to the mall, here and there. And so what I did start running into was spending ability with the cards, right? So I might go and try to make a $600 purchase decline.

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That's my card decline, and I got... Twelve. Yeah. Twelve thousand dollars left on the card. You know, we've been doing this eating out, you know, buying liquor or whatever, you know. So I had to sit back and think, I say, golly, what you know, how can I. How can I get past that? Oh. Treat the card as if it's mine. So once I start doing that, make a payment. No, not at all.

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No, no, no. I'm burning this card in a month.

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Not at that time.

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No, not yet. Not yet. No, not yet. Not yet. Not yet. Well, maybe. Some car.

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Yeah. This was before the chip. Oh, okay. Yeah, I didn't even have a chip yet. This is just straight slide. Right. So, yeah. So, I was like, all right, instead of me treating this as fraud, right, let me go ahead and start treating it as my own. Now, I'm still at the collection agency. And I'm like, you know what? I got enough money. I'm going to get my own collection agency.

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I would never even ask because I'm giving you the opportunity to lie.

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Because the people that I was actually, like, taken from were people that were on my accounts. See what I'm saying? So it could kind of come back like, well, you know, if we went back and looked. So... I'm like, well, let me just go ahead and get my own collection agency. And then so because I could get my own skip tracing service with the collection agency. So that's what I did.

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I got my collection agency down in Rock Hill, South Carolina, because the FDCPA laws were different. I got TLO, right? TLO was through TransUnion. Now, TLO was so in-depth with everything. I mean, this thing would tell me square footage of your residence. It would tell me who the lean is, I mean, down to your license plate number on the car that you had in 95. Right. If it was registered to you.

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Right. So when I call you, it's, hey, Matthew. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, how are you? This is Victor Roy. He I'm calling. I'm a process server calling within Lakeland County. I've been trying to reach you at such and such address and that whatever place of employment. Right. I have a formal complaint that I'm trying to serve to you and I've been unsuccessful in doing so.

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You know what I'm saying? TLO was so in-depth. So I'm like, yeah, cool bet. All right. So I got the collection agency up and running. I mean, it's doing all right, you know. About 10 people in there, 9 or 10. 9 or 10 people in there. Everything's going well. And I'm just like, yeah, this still ain't enough. So I go back to doing what I'm doing. Go back to doing what I was doing.

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Because I stopped briefly, jumped back into it. But when I jumped back into it, this next time, this is in 2015. When I jumped back into it the next time, it was just all systems go. So I started hitting... And this was my mistake, too. I started hitting everybody on the same street. Right. So I was. All right. So this is what I would do. So the way that TLO works. Right.

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I could have your phone number. And if your phone number is registered in your name, only thing I have to do is put your phone number in and it's going to come up with your name on it. And I can see everything about your birthday, social relatives, possible associates, neighbors. Everything about you. Right. So what I would do is I would just.

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The girl that I was talking to at the time, she's like, hey, listen. you have to give the gab, you know, I know you got this college degree. Nobody's really hiring right now because of this recession thing is trying to blow over. This is in 2010. And she's like, Hey, look, Why don't you just come work at this collection agency? Right? So I'm like, all right, cool. Yeah, I'll try.

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go to a prominent neighborhood right type their address in that's it now i know who lives there right right so i'm like okay cool i'm gonna i'm gonna do this house this house okay they they're not at home they're not at home they're not at home um i figured out the postal routes

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No, no. So what I did was, so when I said I was the mailman, what I did was on eBay, I bought the like the rural mailman thing to go on the car. So I didn't look out of place. When I went to the mailbox. Okay. So I look like. What do you mean the rule? What do you mean? So if you ever go to like a rural place, they do mail service out of their personal vehicles. Right.

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But so they have like you can buy something that says U.S. like you're the.

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Yeah, it's a magnet.

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Okay. I didn't know that.

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Well, I had one that's stuck on the top of it.

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No, this is in Charlotte. Oh, in Charlotte? Okay. Yeah, I'm in Charlotte. Yeah, I'm in Charlotte doing that. I was going to say, Rock Hill's a tiny little town, right? Yeah, I'm in Charlotte doing that.

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Oh, absolutely. Yeah. And then... Um, so I also knew the pattern of the credit card people, right. Which was, um, if I did, if I, if I did an application on a Monday, I knew I would get it back on a Monday or maybe a Tuesday. You know, I never did anything. I like to get them in the beginning of the week. So, um, that's what I would do.

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Well, ain't nobody tried to serve me. Well, I went over there two days ago. I'm lying. Yeah. Right. I went over there two days ago. And then also what I might do, too, is call your employer ahead of time. Right. So I might call your employer and be like, hey, what's the protocol and procedure for me to serve this individual at the place of employment? I'm trying to be discreet. Oh, it's OK.

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I would apply for it for your applications on, I would, I would, um, Make a fake phone number on my phone. This is like the text apps and stuff. Make a fake phone number, fake email. All right. And I would do it like on a Monday or Tuesday because it would come back in seven days. It would tell me, hey, you know, your card is on the way. This is on like maybe a Thursday. Your card is on the way.

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So I know what day to come pick it up. Right. Boom. Boom. Pick up your card. And so this is when I started like being the person. All right. So I get the card and I figured out like, OK, if I do go make a big purchase, I need to call Discover Card. So that and of course, I have the number on my phone that's registered with your application. Right. So that's what I would do.

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I would call Discover Card. Hey, how are you? This is Matthew Cox. I'm at Louis Vuitton right now. I'm here with the lovely lady, Brittany. And I have a purchase for $1,623.84. I just wanted to stay on the phone with you. That way, you know, my card didn't decline. Okay, no problem, Mr. Cox. Yeah, you have more than enough available. And so at the time, I didn't have the IDs yet.

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So I would have it on speakerphone so she could hear it. I ain't really got to show no ID. She know, you know, clear.

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It's like, oh man. Listen, dude, I have went to, Walmart with an Amex, fresh Amex, $20,000 or like the green card, gold card, whatever, you know, the titanium.

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They're holding resentment.

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Yeah, Chase did me like that, man. I was like, where is this coming from? Yeah, they sent it back.

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Oh, are you still on that? Are y'all still on that? Golly. But so, yeah. So at this point in time, I'm using the card as if it's mine. All right. I meet this girl and come to find out she's doing fraud too, but she knows how to make the IDs. Now, this is when it got good for me because now I have IDs to go with the car, any car that I need. It's a relationship made in heaven.

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Man, golly, it was amazing. No, it really was, man. I ended up, man, I bought that girl a Range Rover and some more stuff within this mix, man. I really did. So, boom, all right, I meet her. She's giving me the IDs. So now I can go anywhere and do anything at this point in time that I want to do with the cards, and I'm doing it. I mean, I'm... Man, I got my cousins, my dad, everybody.

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I got them in Vegas. I got them in Miami. We in Puerto Rico. Man, we are taking crazy trips. I mean, everywhere. And I'm paying for everybody. I mean, everybody.

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oh uh we're down at live one night yeah the table's gonna be 7,500 oh that's it I got 60,000 and listen I got 60k yeah I came out here with 60k in cards you know what I'm saying uh so I also transitioned to knowing that I had to wait a week and a half I had to wait Yeah, I had to wait 10 days in order to start using the cards at the ATM. Right. So that's what I did.

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What's your name, ma'am? Oh, my name's Cindy. OK, so now I know that your boss is Cindy. Right. So I tell you that over the phone as the process server. Right. And I got this stern voice that, yeah, you need to call 855. Right. And I bang it on you. Hang up the phone. No, I don't give you any.

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And what I would also do was when I did use the cards at the ATM, I would go to the ATM at like eleven fifty eight. Take five hundred from this card. Let's say I got three cards. Take five hundred from all three. Wait two minutes, three minutes. Twelve oh one.

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take 500 more right and because I'm trying to clear this card in a month that's my that's my objective I got to clear this card in a month because I'm not paying a bill and when these people find out it's gonna get cut off right so I'm trying to expand I'm trying to like get everything right all right fast forward I end up meeting somebody that works in the bank and

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That made my life so much easier. So if the car did get locked or anything, but I mean, if the car did get locked, what I would do is still call. Hey, this is Matthew Cox. I'm trying to figure out when my car got locked. Oh, um, it's showing a suspicious thing. Cause that happened to me one time in, um,

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in arizona actually happened to me in arizona at a hotel the girl ran my car twice for the same thing and it locked my card up mind you i'm out of town but when i used to go out of town i had to find out very fast that when you go out of town with these cars you have to put a travel notice on yeah yeah i didn't know that you know so i found out quick okay put a travel notice on this thing going on

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But she messed my card up. So I call, hey, you know, this is such and such. Okay. You know, I'm just trying to get my card unlocked, trying to make a purchase. So they run you through like the questionnaire. Okay. Have you ever owned a property in Ybor City, 3838 Ybor Drive? Yes or no?

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yes what year was the Chevy Monte Carlo that you had in 98 I mean excuse me what color was it in 98 black but I had all the answers right because I had TLO yeah so it was nothing for me to just you know

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I'm just a process server. All I want to do is get you served. Right. And I'm just trying to make it believable.

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That's a fact. That's a fact. But see, with me too, I didn't do guys only. I did women as well. So like, yeah, you better not tell me my name ain't Brittany. Right. My name is Brittany today. Brittany Dawkins. Right. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. And I'm calling with my regular voice. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, this equal rights. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. So, yeah, man.

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And that made my life so much easier, though, with her working in the bank, because now I can get. So if I get a twenty thousand dollar card and they say, hey, you got nine thousand. I can get the whole nine now. Cause I went in the bank. Boom. She gave me the whole now I've given her like 2000. Right. Out the nine. You know what I'm saying? Walking out.

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So so I even got even more greedier from just having all the cash. Right. I got even more greedier. So what I started doing was I'd go to so MoneyGram used to kind of piss me off because they wouldn't. Allow me to do anything with my credit card. Right. So I started going to CVS and Walgreens. So I started going to CVS and Walgreens and getting like the vanilla visas. So and then mind you, though.

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I think I put a limit on Charlotte to where you can't get more than $1,000 a day, you know, per person at CVS or Walgreens.

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so how I was getting the cash was money orders. Okay. I would go to like the food lion. All right. I go to food lion and you know, the money order, it would never be no less than 500 per vanilla visa. Okay. So when I would go to food lion, I would give them, you know, it'd be like $500 and 27 cents. I would give them 27 cents physically, swipe my vanilla visa, put a, whatever pen in. Okay.

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man dude i had so i had so many uh just man i had so many uh money orders it was crazy i mean because i wanted everything off the card i didn't want to just how much is this scam making uh for all these different things well this is so far it's really not fidgeting it's really credit cards so yeah at this point so how much a month is this making uh It's six figures a month. Okay. Easily. Yeah.

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Easily. So for one person, right? Realistically for one person, let's say that you maybe have two credit cards or so. I get, I get a no preset American express, right? Discover car is probably going to give me anywhere from 17, five to 20,000 capital one. If I do a venture card, it's going to give me 20,000, you know, And I shied away from Citibank and Chase, because they were funny.

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Chase Sapphire was good, but yeah, they were funny.

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Well, you would think the Discover card had it like that. Right. They don't.

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or amex you know because um at the time i started learning like with amex only thing i had to do was go to the app and go to spending ability and you know if it was a crazy purchase because you know they go off of how you actually spend like if you're a big spender then they gonna know okay that's good and they're gonna keep raising it up and raising right but see i only have this car for a month yeah i don't care about it you know um

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So, yeah, fast forward that. Let's get into 2016, all right? 2016 comes, I got everything rolling. At this point in time, like, this is my job. You know, I change my image, right? I start wearing different clothes. I'm wearing slacks, button-up shirts. Like, this is a normality for me because I want to look like... I own a collection agency and this is where my money's coming from.

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Nobody knows what I have going. Family, nobody. They just know that, oh wow, he's doing really well for himself.

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That's a fact. That's a fact. I ought to buy the paper from them. But, yeah, that's what transpired. So I changed my image. I'm wearing my slacks, hard bottoms. I mean, this is every day, you know, and traveling as well because, you know, If I'm traveling first class, I'm traveling, if first class is taken, I'm right behind them. And I have my friends and family with me. This is my image.

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When I walk up to a club or wherever, a bank, wherever, I need to be presentable. And that's how I started to carry myself. I started taking things a little step further. Now I start buying, I started buying cars in people's name. I started buying properties in people's name. Okay. Um,

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You're buying property for you in their name or using their stuff. I'm using their credit to purchase different things, cars, cribs. But you're driving a vehicle in their name? A few times, yes. Okay. Yes? Yeah. That's going to be a problem. Okay. So, for instance, right? All right. It was a Corvette that I purchased. Okay. Let me tell you what happened, right? I'm in Charlotte, all right?

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And I ride by this Chevrolet dealership, and I'm like, oh, my God. This is when the Corvette came out, the Stingray, the body style before the one now.

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I said, golly, it was convertible, white. It didn't have red interior. That was black seats, black wheels. And I was like, man, I want that car. So I go up there and I'm like, I'm about to fill out everything for the car. And the the sales associates are actually arguing with each other about who's going to get the sale. And honestly, I didn't like that. I'm like, dang, I just need some help.

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But instead of helping me, they arguing about who's going to get the sale. So I left. I ended up going on, this is before CarGurus was even a thing. I go on CarGurus, right? I see the vet that I want out of Ohio. contact the people in Ohio, send them over ID, right? Send them over ID with my face, someone else's name. Mm-hmm.

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I had a burner address that I used to have little stuff sent to packages. I was buying expensive watches online, expensive glasses, shades, all kinds of stuff. Anything I bought online, I used to have it sent to the burner address. Now, the burner address was vacant. Nobody lived there. It wasn't too far from my place, so I could get there accessibly.

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I contact these people out there in Ohio for the car. And they FedExed me the paperwork. They're like, all right, yeah, you know, you're approved. No money down, blah, blah. And I asked them, I say, hey, look, you know, I'm not trying to come to Ohio. You know, can you include the hot shot, you know, the hot shot where they put your car in the enclosed trailer?

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Can you put that inside of my deal, you know, with the car? Because I don't want to pay that out of pocket. Yeah, sure. So lo and behold, man, I signed that paperwork, sent it back to him. And I had that car in two days. Um, maybe I got that call on a Thursday. I remember for sure.

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I got that call on a Thursday and they met me instead of meeting at the address, uh, of the individual whose name, uh, I did it in, they met me at the mall.

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Yeah. So I go to the mall, pick the car up and I was like, it can't be this. Right. Yeah. It was, yeah, it was, it was, it was very easy. So, um, All right, this is when things started ramping up for me. And this is when I was like, all right, so this little... few, you know, maybe a hundred thousand a month. I need more. I need more. Cause now I'm greedy. I got, I got a vet.

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I do the vet, all white, red, red seats, red brake calibers, black wheels, convertible. I can drop the top without being in it. Like, yes, I need that. Z06, all that. I need, I need. So let me see. Let me see how far I can go.

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I'm going to get to that part. Yeah, yeah. I'm going to get to that part. Okay, so... I want to see how far I can take this.

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So I also went and got a crib in Miami in his name, a high rise.

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Yeah. I'm just going to say Phillip. I mean, his name is Phillip, but I'm not going to say his last name. But it's definitely Phillip. And he was, you know what was crazy at that time? Because this is in 2016. At that time, he wasn't even that old. He wasn't even 30 yet. He wasn't even, I think that kid might have been 23 or 24. He wasn't that old. I get the vet.

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I get a crib in his name in Miami. Mind you, I'm in the Opera Tower. I'm not sure if y'all are familiar with the Opera Tower. So the Opera Tower has like 55 floors or 54. I'm on the 53rd.

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Right? And I can see everything. I can see all of Miami. I can see all of South Beach. I mean, this is... Phillip didn't know he could live this good. He didn't know, but I found out for him. For sure. On top of the credit cards I had in his name too. Right. And I got an ID. I got everything, man. I'd be terrified.

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So with the condo, with the condo. Terrified. But listen though, I was paying the condo. So, yeah. So, okay. When I went, whenever I ended up getting a condo, um, and I bought it, I, I was really like renting it through this low life Cuban guy. Right. So it was like 11 grand up front. I think it was something like that. It was like 11 or 12,000 up front and the payments was 4,500 a month.

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All right, cool. I'm not tripping about that. Um, And then he asked me, he like, hey, you know, I know you got your Corvette. You want another car? Don't mind if I do. What can I get? Lime green Lamborghini. It is. Yeah, man, it was it was bad. So I get lime and it's and it's convertible. So I have so mind you, though, I'm driving the Corvette from Charlotte to Miami. Right.

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So now I don't even have to drive it to Miami anymore because I got the Lambo down there. Right. And I did that. I went to Houston, Texas in the Galleria area with somebody else's name. I'm not going to say their last name, but their first name was Darren. You know what? Darren fucked me. Not literally. Darren's the problem. Hey, listen. Darren is the reason why I got fucked up.

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For real, for real. Darren... Motherfucker.

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Really?

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You think? I look like Phillip on the ID. If they say anything, you go. Yeah, right there. Because remember I told you with those IDs, they were just the old ones with the green or the little green lines. It was easy to make. Not now. It wasn't any raised edges at that point in time. Remember? Those old IDs, kind of.

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So the North Carolina IDs. So North Carolina. You remember those IDs weren't hard to make.

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Right. So, um, Yeah, I go to... So Darren. Man, listen, I had a field day with Darren, though. So I get a condo... Well, I got this townhouse in Houston. Got a G-Wagon. Got a Mercedes for my best friend. Like, it was lovely. And listen, and you know what? Darren, I... I ended up hitting Darren for about 100K. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And I was trying... Listen, I had so much credit with Darren, I couldn't blow it all in the month. Like, that's how much... His flowed over to the next month because I couldn't do it all. Because at that point in time, too, once I started getting maybe... let's say a 40,000, this person and 40,000 for this person. And then I might do a hundred for you. Like at that point it was, it was,

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It was hard to kind of maintain and try to get all of that stuff off the cards in that month. You know what I mean? And I feel like, too, because I stopped making it a job, and I'm just having fun at this point in time. You know what I mean? I'm just living. I'm just living. I'm flying girls in that I met in Arizona to Houston because I'm bored. Hey, baby, what you got going on? All right, I...

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The next flight out, you know, I'm doing stuff like that. At that point, we're just having fun. I got the crib. I forgot. I had another crib in Arizona. But that was a – come to find out it was a female. Golly, what was her name? But it was like an African name. I can't remember. But come to find out it was a female. But, uh, I ended up getting a Maserati out there too. Maserati.

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And I had a crib in, um, in, in Scottsdale in, in her name. So I had a crib in Scottsdale. I had a crib in Houston and Miami. And then me being just my real self in, in Charlotte. Yeah. So, um, All of that's going on, and I'm having a good time. Really, what I'm doing, for real, I'm just taking trips all the time. I'm taking trips. I'm blowing money as fast as I can. I don't care what it is.

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I don't care what we're doing. I don't care what the cost is. Oh, I need da-da-da-da. Man, I'm paying bills. I'm just really giving back. Because honestly, I had never had anything. I never had any real money with that magnitude. And I didn't realize that money brings plenty of power. You can do what you want to do when you want to do it. And two, this is before...

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Hey, how are you? This is Brent Horton. Hello? Yes. Okay. Yeah, man, they gave me a case number. And mind you, now, let's say that I wasn't able to get in contact with you. Right. And I spoke to maybe your mother because, you know, we had skip tracing, you know, we had LexisNexis and stuff like that. Accurate LexisNexis and all that. So I had to skip tracing.

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I wish we had DoorDash back then. I didn't even have DoorDash or anything. So it was, yeah, you had to still get up and go get something. But let's say that they about to close and you're like, hey, maybe I'll give you $500 to turn the grill back on now. You see what I'm saying? It was easy. Also, what I was doing, too, to try to get all that money off, I would open up Square. Remember Square?

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Square Accounts. man, PayPal has taken so much money from my operation is I still got money locked up with PayPal that I need invoices for them square. Uh, it was Google pay back then, which is why I went to the money orders because money orders made it easier for me to get all of the money off. You see what I'm saying? Uh, The squares, they had like the location tracking on it.

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And, you know, I would swipe it, it go to my bank account or, you know, because at that time I wasn't thinking about putting bank accounts in other people's names, which I wish I would have, but I didn't. You know, I just wanted the credit from the people. That's pretty much ultimately where my mindset was. I just want your credit. I want these credit cards and I want whatever I can get.

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You know, I want all the money, though. That was my main focus, too. I wanted when I went into getting a credit card, I was going to get cash. I mean, even if I left credit on there, I did get all of the cash limit off. Right. You know, whether that was ATM or with a girl at the bank. So running through 2016 like that and I am I'm having a field day. All right. All right, cool.

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Having a field day, and this one lady that I hit, because I had burnt her card up in Miami with this one girl. I mean, jet skis, boats, everything. I burnt her card up with doing that. There was a note, not a note, but a letter that came to my burner address, right, with her name on it. And I'm like, what is going on? And it was like, yeah, this is the U.S. Postal Inspector, Mrs. Such and Such.

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It was a Spanish lady. I can't remember her name. And we are, you know, we're working diligently to, you know, with the claim, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, how did I get to my burner address? I get a little nervous, ball it up, throw it in the sewer. Because I'm like, dang, I'm like, how did that get to my burner address?

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And I'm thinking to myself, like, I've never had anything sent in her name to the burner address. And the only thing that I got in her name, I do distinctively remember that, was a Discover card and a Capital One. And her Discover card was only like nine grand. And the Capital One was like five. Mind you, though, she was an early person that I hit, too.

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So I saw that note, didn't pay any attention to it at all. Still doing my fraud, still doing my fraud. Just having fun, living life. We're going to fast forward to... October, okay? October 2016. This is... This was... like Halloween weekend, right? So me and my best friend, we go to Houston. And this is what I was telling you. This is how I mess myself up.

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So I've been doing everything right, you know, not really leaving any traces or trails. And I messed around and paid my TLO bill with Darren's card. What's a TLO bill? TLO, the TransUnion, the skip tracing. Oh, okay. Because it's in my name with the collection agency.

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So I'll call all your family members really before I call you too.

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Right? So now, you know, back then, this isn't where you could just instantly transfer money from account to account. Right. Like you can now. Right? It's going to take three to five. And- And another thing, too, with my business account that I had, I never left any extra money in there aside from what I would pay the employees.

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And that's just because I didn't trust them because they might wash a check or or something on me. You know what I'm saying? And hit my account for it. Because that happened when I was working at the collection agency one time. That happened to the boss. Somebody washed a check for like 10 grand. You know what I'm saying? Like they changed the number on the check.

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It was a real check, but they changed the number on it.

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And it definitely did. So I said to myself, like I would never keep, you know, but a certain amount of money in there. And I forgot that the TLO was due at the end of the month, that particular weekend. Man, I was like, ah, I've been rolling for two years at this point, about a year and a half. And I'm like, man, I'm going to just pay it. You know what I'm saying?

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I'm leaving voicemails on their phones. I'm also contacting your mother, father. I'm talking to the auntie that you haven't spoken to since the family reunion five years ago. Right. You know what I mean? Hey, Matthew, you need to call these people. Then it turns into, hey, the police looking for you.

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I'm going to just pay it on Darren's card. Because like I said, it was like $2,500 and some change. I pay it. This is October. And everything cool, everything smooth. Middle of November. Let me see. Yeah, right before. This is right before Thanksgiving 2016. My TLO gets cut off. And I'm like, why my TLO cut? You know, my people like, hey, you know, TLO ain't working. What's going on? I don't know.

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Let me see. I call them. Hey, you know, trying to figure out what's going on with my TLO. Oh, I see here there was a chargeback or something. Oh, shit, Darren done found out. You know, I'm like, oh, man, chargeback, Darren done found out. So I'm like, all right, cool, I'll take care of it, you know, this month and next month. Take care of it. Boom.

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And in the midst of that, beginning of December came – no, I'm lying – I take this girl on a trip to Miami for Art Basel.

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All right? So we in the Lambo, because we flew. We flew out there. And we just having fun. And we were only supposed to stay maybe four days. We stayed for like almost two weeks, right? So I'm in like the middle of December at this point in time. So we were about to come back. And I bought our flights, right? I buy our flights. Boom. Everything good. Everything good. We get the QR code.

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I sent her her QR code. We get to the airport and they like, yeah, no, you've been kicked off this flight. And I'm like, wait a minute. You know, I'm like, I just bought these tickets like this morning. Yeah, no, I don't know. You need to go to the desk. So I go to the desk. I'm like, hey, what's going on? Oh, yeah, we don't know. But I had cash on me. So I paid for the flights in cash, right?

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We missed our regular flights. Pay for the flights in cash. Get back to Charlotte. And I'm like, dang, I'm like, what's going on? You know, so. I'm at one of my residences in Charlotte and at that time too, so I had a townhouse in Matthews. So I got a townhouse in Matthews and I got cameras. I had cameras at both places too. Man, this is about a week and a half before Christmas.

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I see the US Postal Inspector, Charlotte Mecklenburg Police Department, all at the townhouse. I'm like, oh my God, what is going on? My homeboy is there, but he didn't answer the door. I guess he was asleep or whatever. I don't know.

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You know what I'm saying? Because it goes from process server to the police, right? So they call back and I collect on it, you know? So what we did was we had green money and blue money. Green money was money that day, right? And blue money was post-dated money. So let's say that my account for you was $500, right? Me personally, I would always put like an extra 200 on it. Right.

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Yeah. Yeah. Okay. For sure. Looking for me.

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They're looking for you specifically. No. So yeah, they're definitely looking for me for sure. So, so, well, they leave. Right now. I will tell you my, one of my other best friends is a U S Marshall. Okay. Right? Like right now. Like right now. Right? Well, he was then too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Since 2011. We grew up together. And so I call him. I'm like, hey, bro, who is the U.S. Postal Inspector?

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Mind you, nobody knows that I'm a scammer. Right. Nobody knows this. Right? Nobody. My parents, nobody. They just think like. You're just super successful running this. Man, this collection agency is booming. Yeah. Man. And it is. Yeah, it definitely is. So, um, he like, yeah, they deal with fraud and dah, dah, dah. I say, well, they were, they were at my place, man. I don't know what's going on.

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He was like, well, what happened? He was like, they probably just want to talk to you. And I'm like, no, you don't understand. They don't want to just talk. All right. So that, that happens. And, um, I'm still I don't it spooked me. So, OK. Yeah, that's OK. So it spooked me to the point where I put the vet up. All right. Because I still have I had a I still had a BMW 750 and an Audi as well.

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So I put the vet. But the vet, of course, wasn't in my name. Everything else, the other two were in my name. I put the vet in my best friend's backyard, right? Like I parked it because he had a privacy fence and everything. I parked the vet back there and I'm like, yeah, okay, I'm not going to drive this vet. I need to lay low. I don't know what's going on.

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And then I was like, maybe they do just want to talk to me, right? My best friend wouldn't know, wouldn't he?

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Did I? What'd he say? Yeah, he did. What'd he say? He said he did it, and there was nothing on my name.

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So that's when I went. So after that, I go back, get the vet. I'm like, fuck it. It is what it is. Oh, another thing with the vet, right? What I started to do was with the vehicles that I did acquire, I would buy salvage titles of the same vehicle.

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And swap out the thin numbers. Yeah. So that's what I would do. Right. And that's how I could register them, even though the the loans were with somebody else. You know, the registration.

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I've got it. I'm good. I've got the registration. I have the tags.

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That's over. At all. That's Darren's problem. That's Darren's problem. Yeah, I hope he's not dealing with it. If you see this, Darren, I hope you ain't dealing with it, buddy. My bad, man.

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No, no, no. Phillip was young. Darren was older. No, Darren. Man, Darren had a nice house, too. Because, you know, I was going through the neighborhoods. Yeah. Yeah, man. Darren had a beautiful. Oh, my God. It was beautiful. He's going to be fine. South side of Charlotte. He's going to be fine. He's over there with Steve Smith, man. He's good. Yeah. Yeah. He got it written off for sure.

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And that's just to boost my, you know, that's just to boost my bonus. Right. You know what I mean? And guess what? I need that today. Right. No, I need it today.

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So I go back outside and, um, I stopped, I stopped for a little bit, well, about a week. And then I'm like, ah, Christmas coming up. Got this little chick I'm, um, dealing with at the time. We, we go out on the run, you know, and, um, So within this run, right, the mailman was super late this day for whatever reason. I don't know. He was late this day.

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I go pick everything up, but I'm missing a person. And I'm like, ah, man. And I'm just itching just to go back and get that person when I really should have just left because I got like two out of the three people. I go back over there. And the police pulled me over. Right. They're like, yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah. This is when it gets all bad. So the police pulled me over. And.

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I got I have the cards on me, but I give them to her because I know like, hey. What's up, boo? And she with it though. So she, yeah, she, she take them. Cause I mean, we just hit like 30 minutes ago. We just hit these other, you know what I mean? These other mailboxes. So she takes them. They don't search her or anything.

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oh got the u.s postal thing on your on the top of the car no because i'm in the vet oh okay yeah i mean yeah i mean yeah you're just emboldened by that you're just blatantly just yeah yeah i'm in the vet i'm in the vet at this point and uh who's gonna really think if you pull up in a vet get out in a nice neighborhood you're in a nice fucking vet who's gonna think that you're coming yeah and i dress well right see what i'm saying so like only thing else is he's black yeah but you're in atlanta

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It's all right. So they pull me over. So unbeknownst to me, though, with the vet, Phillip has already found out. All right. So this vet is actually on the radar anyway, and I didn't know that. So they're like, yeah, hey, you know, how did you, you know, blah, blah, blah. Because little things starting to match up. And I'm like, so I get arrested. I get arrested. But the feds don't come yet.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, well, hey, I can't do anything today, sir. I need something today. Matter of fact, give me a second. Let me put you on hold. Let me go speak to the attorneys. Let me see what they can do. I don't even know if they can do anything for you at this point in time. You know, if they can't, I'll go ahead and get, who'd you say? Some guy, Roy, he. I'll get, oh, Victor.

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I'll try it out. I'll see what's going on. So in my mind, I'm thinking bill collector whole time, right? That's what I'm saying.

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You got a warrant? Nope. No warrant. I get arrested because of multiple people saying that I was going in mailboxes.

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All right. I guess I was wrong. It does look suspicious.

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So I get arrested for that, and I also got arrested for the vehicle. It was like a stolen motor vehicle, right? Okay, cool bet. I thought the VIN number was different, though. Right. Okay, so the VIN number was different, but I don't know how they traced everything back. You see what I'm saying? Everything was just traced back to Phillip. So honestly, I still don't know to this day.

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But they traced everything back with Phillip and the Corvette and me and my face. Okay. Because, you know, when I sent everything over to the guys in Ohio, it had my face on the ID. Okay. Right? So it's like, yeah, this the same dude that we looking for anyway. Glasses, beard. Yeah, that's him. So you see what I'm saying? So I think that's more so where they traced it, not necessarily the VIN.

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I think it was just more so like, okay, we have everything from the dealership because, you know, they, uh, did the loan and everything gave it to the finance, you know, the finance company and everything that trickled down came back to me because my face was on it. All right. So I get locked up for that. I get out, get right out. And, um, I'm like, I guess I'll just chill for a little bit.

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And I did. I chilled for maybe a few days. Seriously, it was a few days, right? I chilled for a few days. I'm out. They had a concert in Charlotte. I'm outside. I don't care about none of this, right? Like I'm outside, but I'm driving my regular vehicle. And I'm just thinking like, okay, I do need to, I need to figure out like what, um,

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you know, what I need to do and where I, you know, I need to just wing back. Cause I, at this point in time though, I have money. Like I got, like I, I have six figures in cash. Like I got cash, you know what I'm saying? Like for sure, for sure. Like I got money and it was, it was in my chimney at the, uh, at the, at my crib in Matthews. I had it inside my chimney actually wrapped up. Um, so yeah,

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I got money, so I'm just chilling. The collection agency is just collecting. Once my peak hit, the collection agency is definitely not enough money to sustain anything that I have going on, because you have to understand, I'm still paying for the car and the crib in Miami.

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Um, and so everything I was paying for, as far as like the, uh, properties, I'm paying for the properties, you know what I'm saying? But I'm also paying for the properties with the cards. Right. So I'm getting a lot of chargebacks at this point in time because everything is, is catching up.

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Yeah, I'll get, because of course it was me. Yeah. I'll get Victor to go ahead and get you served, you know, probably at your place of employment, you know, and we go ahead and get this thing in the court. Man, hey, did you see what you can do for me, man? Please. Put him on hold. And I swear, I let him sweat. I sit there, I let them sweat. I keep them on hold three, four minutes, come back.

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So I'm getting chargebacks on stuff like some of the girls bills, like females bills I was paying, getting charged back. Hey, uh, Hey, my time Warner, uh,

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then kick back bro what's going on they about to cut my phone off because i'm like dang i'm like so this is when i knew like all right everything is is all bad so i go to atlanta for christmas that year and i came back right and i dropped my son off okay so i dropped my son off and um his mom like hey you know i need some money blah blah and i'm like all right cool

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I have one card left, so I'm like, all right, I'll go to the bank, shoot her something, because this is it for me. I'm thinking in my mind, I'm going to take six to eight months off. At this point, I can still sustain my lifestyle. Maybe not six months. Maybe three to four months I could sustain my lifestyle with the money that I had. Cool.

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So I'm like, all right, I'm going to give her some money from this card, not from my stash. Because my stash has always been a rainy day stash. I always thought about, what if I did get caught? Right. So I was, you know, I was blowing a lot of money, but I was blowing a lot of credit money. Anything, majority of the money that I got from like the bank and stuff, I just put that up.

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Like that was, or, you know, just pay my real bills with that too. See what I'm saying? So I put up a lot of money. Well, enough, I felt at the time, which- Was what it was. And so I dropped my son off. I go to the bank, right? Well, I'm on the way to the bank. I run a red light. Well, the light, you know how it turns red and you're going through the intersection? Mm-hmm.

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And it pinged my license plate, right? So when it pinged my license plate, it alerted the police. So now I do have a warrant, come to find out, because I'm over in the South Park area, which is like a nice prominent area by the mall. And they're like, I mean, helicopters, everything. So I pull into the bank. As soon as I pull into the bank, police everywhere.

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And I'm like, man, I'm like, what's going on? Because now I'm thinking like, dude, I didn't miss a court date for the car incident. So I'm on like Charlotte Mecklenburg's like warrant site. And I'm like, dude, hey, I'm like, bro, what are y'all pulling me over for? I don't have a warrant. So it was a rookie cop too. He was pretty cool. He was like, hey, look, man, look, let me check it out.

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Let me see what's going on. And who do I see pull up? The U.S. Postal Inspector. So at the time, though, I had a card and an ID. And the way that my visor was, I actually put the card. So the visor opened up like this and I slipped the cards in there and closed it. Because that's the only thing that I have to say, hey, Mandatory two, right?

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For the, you know, mandatory two years for aggravated identity theft. Yeah, absolutely. That's the only thing that could tie me to that. So they don't find it in the car, right? My homeboy, he comes, picks the car up, takes it to my son's mom, right? So they arrest me, take me into interrogation. And I tell you what, I will say this about the feds.

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Hey, listen, your account is showing $700, and they're saying that needs to be paid today. What I can do for you, Mr. Cox, is I can go ahead and, you know, I can get half of that in today, and I can go ahead and get the other half next month. Hey, look, man, I can give you $200. Absolutely.

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A lot of times, they don't know anything unless somebody actually tells. I'm going to say that. So when I get there, I see they have pictures, and they don't even know if it's me. They're like, is this such and such? Is this JT? They got three different pictures, two of them from other people's social media that I guess they found out about two of my friends.

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Not from my social media, though, from theirs. And that picture that I had with Phillip, well, I use that picture for everything, to be honest. I took that picture at CVS, like the passport picture.

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Yeah, and I put that on everything. I put that on everybody's name. But they were like, yeah, we don't know if this is him. And they were actually trying to intertwine my two friends as well. And I'm like... I'm like, y'all really are lost. So instead of me like, hey, let me get an attorney and all that, because I didn't want them to be involved, because really they were just alone for the ride.

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One of them knew what I had going on, but... Like, well, really, both of them did. But, you know, they were just along for the ride. You know what I'm saying? They weren't active participants. At all. At all. You know? So I told them. I'm like, nah, listen. It's me. It's not them. Tried to get my son's mom off. Didn't work. They're like, oh, no.

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So come to find out, it was, so I would give her, now she, she, she, she did what she did. I would give her, I would give her cards and, you know what I'm saying? And she'd do whatever she did with them. And it was one time, so this is what they told me. It was one time that. one of the cards locked up and she called from her real cell phone number. So when I get my discovery, I see it in depth.

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Like, Oh, um, uh, um, uh, Danity, the cane called discover card. Um, is this Jay's girlfriend? Like, this is all in my discovery. Now, uh, Come to find out, Discover Card is hip to what I have going on as well. And that's because I let... I would hit everybody on the street, on the same street, and then it would be the same police reports.

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So that's what prompted like, man, hold on, there's a pattern. So I'm giving these people a pattern now. Instead of me just staying in Miami for like two weeks, three weeks, and hitting people in Miami, then probably hitting people in Texas and hitting people in Phoenix. I just want to stay in Charlotte. And just, you know, that's where I messed up at.

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I work. I have a job. I do. I have a job, though. I promise I got a job. I ain't going to lie. I'm scared. Listen, dude, I'm not.

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On my end, absolutely. I don't know, sir. Let me see what the attorneys have to say. I know I keep putting you on hold. Just one second. You know I'm taking the green money. That's green money. That's for today. That's guaranteed. So... That's what I would do. And then I would just post date the remaining 500, you know.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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listen dude i'm scared to lose my freedom again that is not a fun thing yeah at all i i you know it's just me i don't i don't like it i like i like to be able to be out here with y'all hang out um i mean i mean the car was nice outside but i mean i'm yeah yeah it doesn't yeah the the what is it the the worst day out here is better than the best day and for sure

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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yeah so um yeah so i get locked up and um i can't take the rap for her they lock her up at the daycare oh she has a daycare job no no no no no she was dropping my son off oh okay so well she's working at the collection agency okay the one in raquel right right so um i know i didn't really incorporate her too much um but whatever.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'm thinking bill collector. So the pay wasn't that much. I think it might have been $12 an hour at the time. Like I said, this is 2010. And I'm like, all right, cool. So boom, go to the collection agency. My first month. I made a bonus because what they did was they paid you 25% of whatever. Okay, so you had a goal. Let's say your goal is $7,000, right? But you collect $10,000.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So, so, um, yeah, they lock her up at the daycare and she gets right out. Me, I had to wait until, um, the first of the year to get out. Cause so I go to, oh man, my bond hearing, dude, these people, mind you now, my, my record, my record wasn't, wasn't bad. Like it was a lot of speeding tickets and stuff like that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Um, and when I go to my bond hearing though, like the, the DA is like, yeah, um, your honor. Um, he has, He has speeding tickets in a school zone. I wouldn't want him speeding in my kid's school zone. Like they're not trying to let me out. And I'm like, bro, wait a minute. So because, so listen, this is too now. I had a homeboy that was a bondsman. I didn't know that the feds was like, yeah, bro.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. You don't get no money bond. It's, you know, I don't know how it works. You know what I'm saying? Like, I had never been locked up or dealt with the feds before. So I'm thinking, so I call him like, hey, look, bro, I'll call you when I get to the free phones. You know what I'm saying? All right, bro, just give me a call, boom, boom. no, it ain't no free phones. Nah, bro.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You going straight upstairs with the fed band and you'll see the judge the next day. So I did that one scene to judge the next day. My, my parents came and cause I told, told my attorney, Hey, can you contact my parents? You know, you know, So did that and they ended up letting me out on ankle monitor. Right. And and I had to stay with my mother. Right. Right. And with a surety bond.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like, come on, dude. Like, dang, bro. Yeah, your honor. He's got money. He can leave. He can flee. I'm like, bro, in my mind, I'm thinking like, I might get a year or two. That's in my mind. I'm like, I might get a year or so probation or something. I haven't been in real bad trouble to get 10 years or nothing crazy. So, I mean, I'm not fleeing. Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So my stipulations, my stipulations for being on ankle monitor was I could only I can only be gone from 7 a.m. to 12 noon. And come to find out, I didn't realize that that was per job search. All right. So I'm like, yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So it would be, you know, I'd say the count might say five, but I put seven on it. And he'd give me the two today. I'll post date the remaining 500. So it would be 250, 250. Sometimes I'll split it up, you know, give me 250 next month and 250 in March. All right. How often do those checks go through? They were clearing. Oh, all of them? Okay. So at that point in time, we were taking checks, too.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, no, no. So so in order for me to leave, I had to be looking for a job. Right. Right. So what I would do is from seven to 12, I would leave and go to my crib in Matthews. Right. And have a chick come over and hang out for until noon. I mean, come on. We're talking from 7 a.m. to noon. Yes. Five hours. Right. You know what I'm saying? So I was doing that. You know what I'm saying?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I was just hanging, you know, I'm just thinking about what may happen. You know, I'm on this ankle monitor. I'm back at home with my mother, which is terrible. You know what I mean? Because it's like, golly, I got to... Just go through these motions with her. I mean, it wasn't bad, but it was like, dude, I'm, you know, you're grown. You just, I've been doing what I wanted to do.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know what I mean? For a long time. And, you know, especially with the magnitude that I was doing it at with the cards. And that was just like subtle. Like it was high. And it's just like, dang. And I'm on ankle monitor. You see what I'm saying? So roll through those motions. My CO, not CO, but my probation officer came. She was a female. I think she liked my mom.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Keeping it real, I think she liked my mom. And she didn't like me too well. Oh, another stipulation. I couldn't have a smartphone. So, yeah, dude. Yeah, they, man, I swear. I swear to God. They, they, they, like. Were concerned. Man, the DA was like, yo. U.S. Attorney. U.S. Attorney. Right. Was like, his name was O'Malley. O'Malley did not like me at all. And I don't know why.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I mean, I ain't do nothing to the guy. You know, I just.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Definitely took it personal. So, um, anyway, I couldn't have, I couldn't have a smartphone, anything like that. And, um, we charged with, so I was charged with, um, Bank fraud, wire fraud, aggravated identity theft, and what else? I think that was it. Wait, bank fraud, wire fraud, uh,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So what they did was to do, they, they put the Corvette on my money amount, but while I was in jail, cause okay. So before the jail, I got relocked up again. All right. So, uh, and I'm gonna tell you what happened. So I'm joking. I'm thinking everything cool. You know, uh, my PO, I'm thinking she cool. We cool. Yeah. We joking. And, um, I kind of wanted to go out that weekend, right?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So I'm joking. I mean, I'm poking the bear a little bit. I'm like, hey, I got this envelope. You know, I want to go out this weekend. Let me just throw an envelope in your backseat, girl. Ha, ha, ha. I'm going to see where it go. But I'm joking, but I'm not joking. Because if she said.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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If she say, yeah, I'm going to do it. Right. For real, she say, yeah, it's going. And I'm like. And she said no and went and got my ass locked up. U.S. Marshal. So, OK, I had a court date coming up. I was going to get a haircut. Right. So I leave within my seven to twelve. I go out, boom, get my hair cut, go to Hooters real quick.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Cause they, I think they opened it like 10, went to Hooters, got me some wings, go back home. And, um, um, I, I, golly, she called me and was like, I just, you just drove by me. And I'm thinking to myself, I'm like, I know she because she had never seen the vehicle I was in. Right. She had only seen one of my cars. So I had the other car that particular day. So I knew for sure. And it's tenant.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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We were taking writing in account numbers. But the green money would be.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. She like, yeah, you just passed me on the highway. I'm like. That was that was like, where are you going? I'm going home. All right, okay, I ain't no senior big head. I'm like, okay. I get back to my mom's house, chilling. You know, I'm just taking it easy because at this point in time, you know, 12 is hit, so I got to be in the house, right? Can't go past the book.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I can't even go to the mailbox, dude. All jokes aside, I can't even walk past the mailbox. This thing is going to go off, all right? So probably around 1.30 a.m. U.S. Marshal, for fucking what? What have I done? So I call her. I'm like, yo, why are the U.S. Marshals here at my house? Oh, just let them take you in, da-da-da-da. I swear to God. This is before you don't even answer the door.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Her name is Shireen Teal. What? Yeah. Fucking bitch. Dude.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Before I answered the door. Yeah. But they got my mom house around it. So it doesn't matter. And my dog, God rest her little soul. That was my baby Sasha. She's barking. She's a pit bull too. So she's like going haywire. They hitting the door. Boom, boom. And I'm like, golly, dude, what is going on? So I opened the door. They locked me up.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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The green money is on the card.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And, yeah, man, I didn't get out of jail until I came home from prison. So they locked me up. Oh, so the next day she comes and cuts the damn monitor off my leg. And we ended up going to court the next day for the new charge for the bribery.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I didn't know how you did it. Yeah, we're processing the card right now. Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So it was the violation and the charge at the same time. So the violation was he's not going to be able to be out anymore. And they're trying to hit me with the... Bribery of a probation officer.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And so that's what my attorney said. Shout out to Kevin Tate. All right. For sure. He was like, look, if she want to do that, then I'm going to just let them know we're going to take it all the way to trial. And we're going to make her take the stand and take an oath on if that's really what was said and how it was done. And you know what was crazy, man?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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When I walked in that courtroom, I felt so bad because Kevin reminds me of my father. So in the midst of me coming back in the courtroom after I'd been violated, it was like I let this dude down. He fought so hard for me to get on this ankle monitor, and I let him down. He's like, man, what the fuck going on right now? I'm like, man, I don't know. You like me? You done bribed this fat bitch.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'm like, no, what? I said, that's what we here for? That's crazy. That's why they violated me? And then she tried to say I didn't have job search papers. and all this, I'm like, job search papers. Bitch, I didn't know when I could leave from five to 12, I had to go get people to, like I'm going to Circle K and like, hey, can you sign here and say I was looking for a job? I didn't know that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So we would put a checking account on file, but what we started running into was that that stuff would start bouncing. And that was another thing too, though. So I had a script, right? My script was... Not just a shake, but my closing script. You know, hey, look, I see here you were with Wolf Forest Bank.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like, bitch, I'm just thinking this is my window because y'all got me in the fucking house all day anyway. You know what I'm saying?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But you really didn't drive by me. You was lying. You just wanted to see where I was going so you could go ahead and send them people. Yeah. And that's what it was. Honestly, I'm going to keep it real. If I would have known it was going to go down like that, I would have ran. for sure. Oh, they would have had to come get me because I mean, I could be anybody that I wanted to be. Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know what I'm saying? I would have just migrated. And you know, I was just trying to do the right thing. I'm like, all right, you know, they got me. Um,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, two, though, I didn't want my parents' house to get taken either, though. You know what I'm saying? I mean, could have bought them a house. They've been in the house since 98. So, you know, that was their baby. You feel me?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, they put, I think the shirt, what's the shirt?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Three years.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. But I started moving sloppy, though. That's where I messed up. You know what I'm saying? That one mistake with me, with Darren. Shout out to Darren. That's all it takes. And that was it. Yeah. That was it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You only have to be wrong once. Yep. And with that, and it was crazy because TLO wasn't even helping them. At first TLO, the trans union, the skip tracing, they weren't even helping them. They were like, yo, so they, yeah, they like, uh, I saw that in my discovery.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It was like, they, um, they sent TLO something like, Hey, listen, well, it was along the lines of like the terms and contract that you do with Apple, with your iCloud, you know, you know, you, uh, So, okay, so they took my phone. Man, I didn't give them nothing. Yeah, y'all can have it. But they can't go through your phone like your iPhone. I know back then they couldn't.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I don't know what the laws are now. I don't know if Apple's working with them now. But, man, even when I came home, I had the same iPhone that I gave them. I had, like, my exact same phone when I came home. Yeah, it was an iPhone 6. And... So I get locked up, man, and go through those motions.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And in the midst of me getting locked up, my son's mom gets my BMW and gives her attorney the ID and the card that I put in there when I initially got locked up at the bank.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And they held... They hold it against me. That's my... Boom. We got them aggravated. Because anything else, they couldn't really put aggravated on me. Because they didn't have... They didn't have substantial proof that I did such. But now they got... We got an ID and a card to go with it. Because in the papers, man, they tried to say that I took 20,000 PIs, you know, the personal information.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I see your bank account went into an R01 status, which means insufficient funds or a closed bank account. Our client here, CMG Group, they feel like you tried to defraud them, like you took their money and you tried to defraud them.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And I'm thinking to myself, 20,000 people? Not even close, you know. But what they come to find out what they did was just my employees skipped tracing as well. You know what I'm saying? They intertwined that with me. And then they called me an employee. They didn't even say I was. They said I work for my own establishment. I'm like, how do I work for premium acquisitions? I don't understand.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I don't understand how I did that. But it is what it is. But yeah, man, they tried to make me out to just this evil villain in the city. I don't understand.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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At all, man. So, yeah, I got, oh, so, yeah, boom, that adds two years. And I've got to serve it consecutively. right okay so yeah so that they added on to well what what are you facing what's the first what's the first amount of time yours so i'm so so me and kevin he like listen man you're gonna do about 18 months right and i'm like dang i'm like 18 months and i'm thinking to myself bro 18 months

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Bro, that's a long time to me. Bro, I've been out here having my way. You feel me? 18 months? Like, bro, I've never done no jail time. Like, I've been to jail. Yeah, but you got arrested to let go. Yeah, I got a bond. I just, you know, deal with it and let it be done. But he like, yeah, man, you know, he like 18, maybe 24 months, man. Maybe try to get this low end. Man, yeah. It's getting worse.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Let's stop talking. So I'm like, man, I'm like, oh, man. Plus the two years. And then they go the two years. Well, so that was after she... So come to find out, she did that whenever... She did that whenever I was on ankle monitor, and she ended up telling me why. She got mad about something she saw on social media. It had to do with me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was playing good back then, man.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I was playing real good. It was fun. I had never had that type of money, so I'm out here having a good time. My cousins, everybody need a loan. I got you. Don't worry about it. I love you. It is what it is. Everybody around me, I will say, everybody around me was good. Nobody can ever say, and you know what? I had, when I did get locked up, I had a lot of support. You know what I'm saying?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like, I really did. I really had a lot of people in my circle because, you know, some guys get that money and they become scumbags. You feel me? Yeah. Those are my buddies. Those are my buddies. They stopped answering the phone. Oh, scumbag buddies?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I only had one.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, something. Something. So, um, yeah, I, uh, like I said, I, I, you know, I had a pretty good support system. So I go to court, right. Get in front of my judge. Um, and, um, While I'm there, I go to my sentencing. Man, Discover Card came to my sentencing. Like the guy from Discover Card, I swear to God, he came to my sentencing. And he was like, so he gets up there.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And I guess this is to try to further how many, you know, what my years are going to be. So he gets up there. Well, two things. I took the most money from Discover Card. Oh, yeah, man. Yeah, I did damage to them real bad. It was too easy. And, you know, Discover Card, your name is on the back. So with the embosser, I could just put the name on the front and nobody actually knew. Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, you did. Well, what you did, Mr. Cox, was you did agree to pay the money back in a check form.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And put, like, the 1-800 number, you know, the little sticker that comes on there. Like, activate me. I just put it over the name on the back of the card because that's where, you know, that's where it is. So, uh, the guy gets there and, um, he's going through everything. And, and this also brought light, um, to a lot of things kind of made me smile a little bit. Uh, he's like, yeah, your honor.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I, I'm not going to lie. Um, Yeah, I wasn't expecting him to sound like that because when he calls in, he has all these voices and I've listened to all these recordings and I'm thinking it really is like a 70-year-old man on the other end. Man, because I call in. Hello? No, this is Darren. Man, dude, I have so many voices. I'm killing them. You feel me?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'm good.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'm good, Your Honor. Oh, man. I'm sitting there with my paper because, you know, I got something to say. And then my homeboy, that's the marshal, he got all his marshal buddies writing character letters. Dude, I ain't going to lie now. I had about 30 character letters. You know what I'm saying? And that's still nothing. No play? Man, no play, bruh. Nothing. They like that. Yeah, no.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And you didn't adhere to that. So me and my client feels like you tried to defraud them. It feels like you took their money and ran. I'm not sure exactly what happened. Oh, I had this going on my account. I had to change over like so many stories, you know? Right. But the best time to really – the most money I was making around the time was, like, tax season. Man, they didn't care.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, man, because you don't forgot.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It was bad. You know what? I left something out, too, because it was a few people. And this is before people got hip. I started putting LifeLock on some of my people's stuff. I don't even know if they ever... I mean, I'm pretty sure now they've gotten it released. But, yeah, I definitely did because... I put LifeLock on Darren. Darren had it coming, though.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, but I think it was a little too late when I did him. Yeah, man, Darren was a roller.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, so it's for identity theft. And let's say that I go to a dealership and try to use your stuff. It's going to call. It's going to call the actual person. So let's say that, okay, let's say that I even try to do a credit card in your name or something. It's going to kick it back. It's not going to allow it to go through.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So, yeah, that's where I started. Like, you know, and this is when LifeLock first came out. Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, yeah. Did you see that? Yeah. So the dude.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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His identity got stolen by the law. Like eight times. Yeah. Over and over again. Yeah, yeah. So LifeLock didn't help.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It was a bad idea. Yeah, that was terrible. Who does that? I mean, he felt confident that he had something there. Yeah. So, yeah, Discover guy, Discover card guy says all that. And so, boom, the judge is like, okay. And he's like, listen, oh, okay. Also, like I said, they still charged me with the Corvette along with the money amount. So that hiked the money amount. That gave me an extra level.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Because it pushed me over to 250. Right. It was at 287. Right. So we take the car off. I only probably get 20 in the range of 24 to 36. Right. So, well, I'm going to get the mandatory too. So I'll get, you know, within that 20, yeah, 24 to 36. I'm lying. It's going to be... So I got the mandatory too. So I probably would have only been looking at probably a year. Right. You know what I'm saying?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Maybe 16 months added. But with everything, it was 24. For the... Aggravated. For the aggravated, but then it was also 24 for the wire fraud. So you got 48 months. Five years probation. Okay. Okay? I had five years probation. I think they give all the scammers five years.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know, they get $7,000, $8,000 back. They paying that little $500, $700. They don't care. I just don't want it to, you know, mess with me. And, of course, you know, I made them feel comfortable. Hey, listen, I'll have my HR send you out a – a letter showing that you've paid this and that, and we didn't have an HR to do that stuff, man. Uh, but it was very lucrative. So I did that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Man, listen, that criminal mindset is crazy. Got to run my mind through the five rules of rational thinking. Remember that? Oh, yeah, yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I just wanted to stay in the unit. Okay, so that's kind of what ended up happening. That's what kind of ended up happening with me. So when I got locked up, boom, I get sent down to Edgefield, South Carolina. I'm in Edgefield, and I didn't know anything about RDAP. When I first got there, you know, I'm just like, all right, you know, I'm gonna do my bid. And it was trash, to be honest with you.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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The compound was trash. Nobody really had no money there for real. So I mess around and I'm playing with the cell phones. I got there. I can't make this up. I got there on Wednesday. I had a cell phone on Friday. Right. And I'm playing good with the cell phones. Then I ended up finding out, hey, you know what? You can get a this is when they were actually giving the six months and a year.

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So you can get 18 months off because I had already did. I was down in Gastonia. They had a big like a big gang roundup while I was locked up in 2017. And they shipped a lot. It was like 90 something people. They got locked up in Charlotte, and they shipped quite a few of us down to Gastonia. I've never even heard of Gastonia, but sorry, go ahead. Yeah. So I was down in Gastonia for, let me see.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I was down in Gastonia until... January of, so yeah, I was in Gastonia for a year until January of 2018. That's when they shipped me. You know how you waiting on the bus, waiting on the bus, you know, after you get sentenced and you're like, all right, cool. Well, I know the bus going to be here. I hope I'm on this one because you ready to get out of jail at this point in time. I was ready.

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I'm like, yo, because we never were able to go outside in jail. You know what I mean?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Wait, wait. Like the inmates making the ice cream with the creamer?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He'll be dead. It's over for him. Yeah. Man, well, that's how I felt for a little bit. I guess until I went to prison. So, yeah. Yeah. I'm waiting on the bus. I get on the bus. Boom. Get out there. I'm playing with the phones pretty good. And then I'm like, oh, wow, I can get 18 months off. Yeah. Where's the unit? Downstairs. R-DAP.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Um, I did that for about four years, actually. OK. Yeah, I did that for about four years. It was really, really good. I put a lot of guys on like a lot of guys that I was friends with that I knew could actually, you know, talk. Right. You know. And yeah, man.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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oh let me sign up sign up get accepted because you know sometimes it's a waiting list yeah did you tell that was there drugs in your psi did you tell them that you had a drug problem or oh i'm alcoholic yeah and you know okay yeah so they accepted me uh so i'm down there and i'm i'm like okay cool i'm I'm coming home as soon because, because by this time I'm already a year in right in jail.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, man. I'm playing good with them phones though. Right. I'm man. And look, and I'm in our, that playing good with them. No, that's not good. No, you might as well just go back to your old unit. Might as well go back to my old unit. Yeah. Uh, so by that time I get two phones. So I got two phones now. And, uh,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Me and my homeboy sharing one of them, because one of them doesn't work in the unit I'm in, but it was weird. One of them worked in the unit that I was in, and then one didn't. So vice versa, how can I say this? So the Kyocera worked in RDAP, but the Verizon phone didn't work in RDAP. But the Verizon phone worked upstairs, and the Kyocera didn't. Right. All right? So...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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This particular day, I'm supposed to send one of my phones upstairs, right? I missed the move, didn't get it, right? Didn't get it to him. So I'm like, all right, it's cool. Next day, you know, I'll give it to him next day. And mind you, in this particular unit, the phone that did work, I used to have it inside of the water fountain. You know what I'm saying?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So I had a lot of them dudes were putting it up in the... Yeah, the drop ceiling?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. And you know, different, different little, they had, they had a few little spots, but my spot was like, you know, the water fountain on the wall. Um, it was kind of loose, stuck it in boom. Like it was sweet. So the other phone though, this particular day, I slid it up underneath a, uh, like one of the door, the utility doors that nobody ever opens. Um,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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this day they came in oh the next day swear to god they came and opened it all right open the door yeah they got a oh man y'all heard about the phone in rdap shit who's on huh in my homeboy like boy that was your other phone oh my god the one i need to So I'm like, okay, there's what it is. You know, Hey, that's what it is. I haven't been moving funny. Right. So I'm at chow.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'm outside, you know, only thing is, you know, how, you know, how nosy they are, are adept though. Like, bathroom for an hour. What's going on with him? They're watching you. The inmates are policing you. Especially the ones with the what do we used to call them? The ones that steal in RDAP after they done graduated. Oh, yeah. We call them completes or comps. Yeah, the completes. Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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The purple.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. Super dappers. Yeah, the super dappers. Bro, why you ain't back on the compound, dog? Yeah. Yeah. So that's really who, well, I know who told on me. Shout out to Patrick Sutherland. Yeah. Yeah. I know you out here in Florida, too, man. But I appreciate you, though. I do appreciate you, though, Patrick, for telling on me.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I went to the hole for five months from June till October behind that, brother.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Man, and let me tell you, the hole was so bad at Edgefield. Like, it was terrible. Listen, no windows. The windows were frosted. Yeah, I swear to God, frosted windows. They were jacking wreck. They was not letting us out. It flooded in there one time. Like, feces flooded. Mm-hmm. Yeah, messed up. Yeah, man, messed up my letters, pictures, all kind of stuff.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And this is on chicken day, matter of fact, because we... Look, we bucked the flaps. No, for real. We bucked the flaps. And me and my celly, because ended up finding the other phone that me and my celly was messing with. And... They knocked him off too. So now he my celly in the hole too for five months. Yeah. Yep. And yeah, well, I know who told. He ended up telling me who told on him with that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, I wrote my own scripts. Yeah, yeah, I wrote my own scripts. Like I said, I got into character. When I was at work, I was behind the phone. So you can be anybody you want to behind the phone. You know what I'm saying? You can be anybody you wanted to be. So when I wanted to be aggressive, I was Victor Roy. When I wanted to keep it cool, I was Brent Horton. Sounds like a mad duck situation.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And it was just a mess, man. It really was. So I'm just like, yo, why y'all still got us down here? You know what I'm saying? It was bad, though. So fast forward that October came and they like, yeah, you're going to Kentucky. I'm like, oh, man, Kentucky. Yeah. Bro, that's six hours, six and a half hours away from home. So they shipped me to Kentucky.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, of course, you know, you go back to Atlanta, go from Atlanta, get on Con Air. Get an experience. Man, did your sandwich still have ice in it? No.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And then it's not like a turbine type of, it's a propeller.

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Unmarked one. The unmarked one. It didn't have no markings on it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah.

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It was three. Yeah, there was four in the middle.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, it was a big plane. And they had the girls in the front.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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um yeah yeah but no no this was this wasn't a uh a propeller plane this was a jet like i mean and it and it went it went straight it was like dear god like what are you doing yeah and then if you use the bathroom you gotta go like back to back you know i'm saying going to the restroom and then look some of the dudes in black boxes yeah you can't yeah you can't even do nothing it was hard to eat the sandwich still got ice in it i'm look man just get me there

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So get to Oklahoma. I didn't know how long I was going to be in Oklahoma. I was there probably a week and a half. Oklahoma wasn't too bad, though, actually. Oklahoma was straight. I don't know how your experience was.

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Yeah, that's about like me.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, it was like the Nick Cage. Like what was the movie with Nick Cage? Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Was it face off? Face off. Yeah. Yeah. Very without those boots.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. Yeah. And then so they send me to Kentucky. I get to Kentucky and I'm like, dang, I wish I would have did my whole bid here. Right. man, get out there to Kentucky. I met some solid guys out in Kentucky, man. Real solid guys, man. And it's crazy because I was in Lexington, right? So you would think that Lexington run that prison, but they don't. You know what I mean?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It's more so Indianapolis was really running it. This is still a low, right? It's a low. Yeah, I'm at the low, yeah. But They still, I mean, they were still politicking though at the low. You know what I'm saying?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, it is. Yeah, well, because it's still got a little bit more freedom, you know. You ain't got to lock down until 11. Well, the phones don't cut off until 11. I don't know. That's not what happened with us. What time y'all phones was cutting off? Nine?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So in collections, you can't think of it as being a collector. You know what I mean? Well, I never did anyway. I didn't think about it as being a collector. I thought about it as getting the money. That's what it was. That's what it was about. I have a $10,000 goal. I need to be $25,000 up. And then my next month for blue money, I need to come into the next month at $15,000 or $16,000.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I don't know about that. Well, see, this is the thing, though. So at Edgefield, even though it was a camp, we still was around a fence. We had a fence. And everything cut off when the medium cut off. Okay. And we had moves. Oh, that's weird. They might as well be in a low. What's the difference? Right. Yeah. And it was trash.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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super trash because you know like i said you know when you hit the pound and you know um well i don't know i don't i think i think we did i think we bid it a little differently because i wouldn't have touched a cell phone like i would have been terrified i don't want to lose any time i don't want to go shoot not that i'm i've been in this shoe multiple times but i i don't here's the problem i had a routine right

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, I didn't play with them when I got to Kentucky. But I had all the compound pictures. You know the compound pics? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I had all the black and white porn.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Hey, I had multiple. Right. Multiple. Yeah, that was my forte right there. Yeah. I was just a trade. I liked the barter. I was trading everything. It was fun. I'd say, I'd tell you that. And you know, it was cool too. I would rent it out. So it'd be like it, you know, you won't, Hey, Hey, let me see them black and whites.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, man. Yeah, that was it, man. It was lucrative. It was very lucrative because real talk, because this is when so like when I when I ended up Leaving, I sold everything, right? And this is, by this time, this is Cash App. So I'm like, they like, yeah, man, I have my girl just, you know, Cash App your people. What's that? This is Cash App. Oh, bro, it's instant.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So I had to ask, hey, what is this Cash App? Oh, yeah, go straight to the... Hey, I'm thinking, golly, why didn't I think about, I mean, why... This couldn't be out a few years back because, golly, man, I wouldn't have had to go through so much trouble that I did in the beginning. And, yeah, I would have wiped a lot of things clean.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. Yep. So, yeah, man, I went back to RDAP.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That's it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Already at gold. You know what I'm saying? And collect on that as well. And that's essentially how it went. When you're collecting like that, you never want to start the next month off I never did anyway. I didn't want to start under gold. I wanted to start over gold. Every month I needed my stuff well over $10,000, at least $15,000, $16,000. And that's pretty much what I did. So I did that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And I got, listen, and how ironic, I got set back in RDAP in Kentucky as well. You know how they come in there unannounced, you know what I'm saying? Hey, yeah, we checking rooms today on this floor. Oh, my God.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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We'll talk about it in class. We're going to set you back. What? Yeah, we're going to set you back. Don't worry about it. So that messed me up even further. So I ended up getting like four and a half months halfway house. Yeah, man. It is what it is.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Core Links.

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Well, you have shit going on. Right. That's what I'm saying. I have stuff to do. I can't do nothing. But the motherfuckers smoking K2? Of course they're doing it. I'm definitely rocking it. You don't need me anyway.

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I got 800 minutes of money.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like I'm about to leave. Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Because they tell you the name on your... Yeah, it wasn't his name.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know what I'm saying? Like, cool guys, right? That's real stand-up right there. Yeah, but you meet those kind of guys being locked up rather than on the street, man. Because y'all kind of going through the same things, you know? But that's what I was saying, too, with the... with Patrick Sutherland telling on me. Thanks, Pat.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, not at all. But you know why, though? You know why I'm not? Because when I did those five months in the hole before... Okay, so I'm going to keep it real. Before those five months, my mindset is, bro, I'm coming back with a vengeance. Right. I don't give a fuck about nothing. I know what they know. I know how they move, how they operate. I'm about to come out of here.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know where you messed up. Man, I'm about to wreck some shit. And then those five months, and then honestly, I was a good dude, but I was very arrogant. I was an asshole to a lot of people, even though my heart was good. I was still rude. It helped me find myself when I was locked up. Well, not locked up necessarily, but in the hole. You know what I'm saying? Like me being in that hole.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And because our hole was only one phone call a week. I mean, excuse me, a month on your revalidation date. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, who am I going to call? You know, like I got to pick and choose. They jack and wreck. They holding your mail. You know what I mean? So all of that tied in was like, yeah, nah.

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That's why I didn't play with the phones in Kentucky, too, because I was like, yeah, I don't want to go back to the shoe. You know, I'm just ready to get home by this time. So, yeah, get home. And I got a job, man. I've been at that job since I've been home. So, yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It was good. It was real good. It was lucrative. And at the time... The guys that I was actually working for, they, um, they used to work with me, so they opened up their own. So we went from like 11, 12 people. Right. Taking $50 payments, like taking the low end just to like build up, you know, to, and I think we had like 150 people, you know, when it was all said and done. So this is 2014.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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January 2020. Day after Martin Luther King birthday. Oh, man, that was perfect. Just in time for COVID. Oh, right before COVID, too. Oh, really? Yeah, it was right before COVID.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, COVID hit around beginning of March 2020. Let me see. I was only in the halfway house for a week and a half.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That's not the world. Yeah, not the world. That's insane. When did you come home?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So 25% of the $3,000 over is what your bonus would be. So my first bonus was $2,000. Plus the $12. Plus my $12 an hour, right? So I was like... It can't be this easy. So what we were doing, we were collecting on payday loans. Online payday loans are like Ace Cash, stuff like that. So I'm like, man, this is pretty sweet.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, and our halfway house was at the jail. Was it the jail? Yeah, I had to go back to jail. Ours was at the – It was crazy. But, you know, they were lenient. So they were cool when it came to, like, the halfway house people. They allowed us to – they still allowed us to leave from, like, 8 to 4.30 every day. What?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, no, no, no, no, no. No. Hell no. I did leave. I left something out.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Let's hear it. All right. So I got scammed by some Africans.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I swear to God. That's not true.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, yeah. I got hit. Yeah, I got scammed, man. This dude named Ali, man. Yeah, yeah. And what made me think of Walmart was I caught back up with his ass at Walmart at like three o'clock in the morning one day, one night. Yeah.

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All right. So, all right. I'm at the gas station one day. Mind you, this is when I got everything rolling too. I'm at the gas station one day and I'm going back to my car. Now, mind you, now he's sitting in a nice, he's sitting in like an Audi truck, right? So he's like, yo, let me holla at you, man. So he's talking about, he's like, look, hey. I got this black money.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I can turn your 20s into more 20s. I'm like, no way. And he gives me a demonstration right here in the parking lot of the gas station, right? I'm right down the street from the airport off Queen City Drive, right? Give me a demonstration. Boom. So I'm like, dang. I'm like, oh, that was sweet. He had some foil. He did something with it. And whatever the little solution was kind of burned my eyes.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I think it was like, I don't know if it was ammonia mixed with something. It was weird. It kind of burned my eyes. But he did it in the car in front of me, right? Mm-hmm. Now, I'm scared to death, right, at this point in time. So I'm like, I don't know if I... I don't know if I should trust it. Cause I got what I got going on with the scam. So I'm like, I don't know if I should trust this.

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So he gave me his number and mind you, we have each other's number and he's not pressing me. Right. You know what I mean? Like he's not, no, he not, he didn't need it.

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He ain't putting a press game on me. Like none of that. I'm like, yo, look, I'll hit you up when I come back from Miami, you know, dah, dah, dah, dah. Like, all right, cool. So, So I come back from Miami. I didn't hit him up. I probably still waited about a month and a half to hit him up. I'm like, man, let me see what this dude talking about. Hit him up. He does another demonstration, right?

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We out for Walk Billies. He does another demonstration, but he did it for, I think I gave him like, I gave him 200. So look, this is how it went. Black money, real money, black money. All right. So it's like a sandwich is how he was demonstrating it. But the 20 turns into 60 altogether. All right. So these two that were black now turn regular. And now I got 60 instead of a dub.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So every 20 makes 40. Right. All right. So we did the little flip for 200 real quick. He did it. Dude, listen, I don't know how this dude did it.

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All right. So 2014, this is around maybe May 2014. We go into work and when we go into work, um, The boss is like, hey, y'all, I got something to tell y'all. I'm shutting the doors. I mean, this is out of nowhere. And I'm like, wait, what? Shutting it down.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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magician shit i promise like it was weird i mean yeah yeah sleight of hand somehow or another he's swapping them out yeah but he's putting it in the foil too right and probably two other bills but so what mate right man you know what i ain't think about that man that's probably what he did so i'm like all right cool And he gave me the money, everything good.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Listen, this shit, I'm like, yo, this can't be real.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, no, no, no. You're going to be like, oh, no, no.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Listen, I know. There was a...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Man, listen. All right, so this is what he tells me before – all right, this is what happened. This is the whole scoop on the last time, like the last interaction with the money. All right. So I contact them like, hey, look, boy, I got 10 grand, 10 bands. Like, what's up? All right, cool. Yeah. Hey, look, I need you to get a hotel. I need you to go buy a safe. Right?

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I'm like, all right, cool bet. Yeah, go get a hotel, buy a safe, bring it. Boom. No lie. We spread. We got two double beds. Right? We spread all the money out. He got, for every 20, he got the black. He got two blacks. So he putting it, boom, putting it, putting it, putting it, putting it, putting it, putting it, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, wrapping it up in foil. Bro, I can't make this shit up.

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Wrapping this shit up in foil. Wrapping it up, wrapping it up, wrapping it up, wrapping it up. Whatever that ammonia stuff was that I was smelling in the car is in the bathroom. So he takes the money, puts it in. He like, look, hey, I just want you to see I'm putting it in the safe. I got the little solution in the bathtub, which he did have a solution in the bathtub. Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And this shit is like burning. I swear to God, I don't know how he was withstanding it, but it's like burning my eyes, burning my nose. Like, it's just like hard to be in the room. Right. So I'm like, here's what it is. So he like, Hey, look, it got to sit for a little bit. Cause we did a lot. I'm going to go grab something to eat. I'm going to be right back. I swear to God.

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Look, hey, bro, you got the key to the safe. You seen me put this shit in here. Yeah. But what I realized was... He done switched. Okay, I'm going to tell you how I realized this in the end. So I leave. I call him, call him. He doesn't answer the phone, right? Oh, you leave? We both left.

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No, he did. He had the money tucked for sure. But you off together. So where the flim flam was, was that I wasn't in the restroom with him at the same time. So he got me. Boom. I don't know this yet, though. So I'm like, yo, Ali, what's up, baby? Hey, we going to meet back at the room? That's what I'm calling him for, but he's not answering the phone.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So in the midst of him not answering the phone, now I will say this motherfucker was sophisticated. Because when I tell you he had some African girl call my fucking phone and it was the sheriff's department's number. Like the if you look it up on Google, I swear to God, it was the sheriff's department's number. It was a spoof app. Spoof me. You can do it right now.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Hey, this number was in Ali's phone. He got locked up. This is what she's telling me over the phone. But by that time, I had already went back. And this motherfucker gives me black construction paper in the safe. I say, God damn. I say, damn. I'm like, yo. So I'm telling her, I said, hey, listen. Just let Ali know. If I catch up with him, we going to have a problem. Straight like that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Mind you now, 2013, 12, 13, leading them into 14, we're making $1.2 million a month.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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We're going to have a problem.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, I knew it wasn't the sheriff's department. Her fucking accent was his.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, no.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But you don't know.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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She might have. Yeah. Yeah. She might have. Yeah. For sure.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, I wouldn't have said that. Where is my money? You left me with construction paper.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He's got to do some prison time? Nah, nah, nah. He didn't do that at all. At all. So... about maybe about a week before that, a week, let's say about a week or two before that, the FDCPA came in and we started doing training. Okay.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I mean, no, I know what you're saying. Yeah, people do. Yeah, I'm saying with me, yeah, but I'm a fraudster myself. I know, but you also fell for the black money. Man, I did, man. I did two runs with this dude, man. It was good. I did two little smooth runs, something light.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And I was like, gusto. You know, that's like betting on red, man. I got that. Yeah, man. Come on. That's like the roulette table, man. You know, red hit them two times. It's probably going to hit the third. No, it's not. I know. It ain't red no more. Black money. Oh, my God. It got me. Man, I couldn't believe it. I was really... I'm holding resentment with that one. Yeah. For real.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, I ended up seeing them at the Walmart, though, and I ain't do nothing to them. No, real talk. I didn't, man. Yeah, man. I wanted to, but I was like, yeah, no. Because I had too much shit going on. Talk to the mic real quick. So, I mean, did he see you? Absolutely. So, look, this is when Walmart was 24 hours, right? Right. So, I'm leaving out. And mind you, it's like 2 o'clock in the morning.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'm walking out. He's walking by me coming in. And I'm like, I say, Ali? I swear to God. I was like, Ali? Ali? He looked. He was like, oh, my God. Yeah, for sure. And I'm like, man, ooh-wee.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Nah, I sat outside in the car and- Thought about it? Man, I thought about it real bad too. Yeah. I followed him for a little bit. Yeah, because the car that I had when he did that to me, I didn't have anymore. I had a new car, so he didn't know what kind of car I was in. But at the same time, it wasn't a lot of cars on the road at that time of night anyway. Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But, yeah, I followed him for a little bit, and I was like, yeah, nah. I was like, I got too much to lose right now for him. You know what I mean? Because, man, my operation was rolling. So, yeah, I'm not going to blow my operation over. For 10 grand. Yeah, not for 10. No, no, no, no. I get that back.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So, you know, FDCPA, these are the people, anytime you're trained that way and like a bill collector calls you, that's the bill collector that says, hey, this is an attempt to collect a debt. Right. We were never saying that. Okay. We weren't certified. So now North Carolina law is like, hey, Y'all getting these complaints through the through the attorney general in North Carolina. Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, I'm just saying, no.

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What a waste of money so far.

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Then time left to retire.

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I'm screwed. What are you doing?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I mean, what'd you do? Go get another job and work for two months?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Okay. I understand. That's fine. It's fine.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So, um, yeah, it's, it's, uh, I was going to say, there's a guy I interviewed who runs a YouTube channel. I should put you in touch with him. He'd probably be interested in your story too, because he, um, he actually, uh, you know, Wade, remember the guy that, that it was a self-defense, but it was stand your ground where he was attacked in his own home by a guy and shot him.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know, but he was attacked. The guy was drunk. They'd both been drinking. The guy was drunk. He attacked him multiple times. He told other people he was going to kill him. And then he attacked him and Wade shot him and they arrested Wade. He got out. He's like, I was in my own house, you know, and this guy attacked me over and over again. You can see that I've been hit.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You can see that like the whole thing. And, um, it was really just one detective that had, she was brand new detective. First case. She worked, decided she wanted to, to get him. And, um,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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um they fought it um he pulled a hundred thousand dollars out of his retirement to fight the case and it took like two years and the only reason it didn't go forward they didn't go forward with it is because a new district attorney came in and his lawyer went in and said i want to sit down with you just show you the evidence and he said and he told wade look it's a risk because we're laying out our whole case and he laid out the whole case and showed it to him the guy was like

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, yeah. Yeah, I'm dropping this. Okay. But, yeah, you know, it's, you know, the other, you know, they pad the file. They hire somebody to come up with a forensic report that supports their version. And I've done a lot of, I don't know if you know much about me, but I've written a bunch of stories, right, of true crime stories. And, you know, I have a guy who, like, literally they –

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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The FBI continually investigated this one person and asked. They padded the file with all of these people that said he did it, he did it, he did it, he did it, he did it. So by the time it's done, you've got 30 people, 28 of which said he did it. You know, but out of almost all of those, they can't really tell you who told them that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And it all really stems from one guy telling this guy tells this guy who tells this guy. And so this guy talks to the FBI and says, yeah, yeah, this is what I've heard. But it all really comes from one guy. Of course. You know, and then when you're completely done, it's like it does look overwhelming.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And if you were to go to trial, it would seem overwhelming because all these people would get on the stand and say, yeah, this is what he did. You know, but really, if you look at it, it's like, okay, well, you padded the file. Like you only investigated people that supported your version of your narrative. So why didn't you matter of fact, they, they, they actually gave people

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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people lie detector tests until they came up with their version and then when they came up with their version they stopped giving it they just took the thing okay did you did you give them a lie detector test on that version well no because we knew we knew that was the version that we wanted to go with so why would we give them a lie detector test

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They just come out left field?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They don't want to hear that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Is she still in the marshals?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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finding stuff to investigate why don't you like they like the racism thing like they have your phone right like there's text messages there's like if i was so blatant and i'm saying this hundreds of times a day then i certainly would have said it in a text i certainly would have thrown it into an email i certainly would have like nothing right no nothing at all but here well here's the conversation you and i just had now for the last hour or so it's

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, especially not if you were to go to the bank and say, oh, I need it for my legal fees. They'd be like, you're going through something we're not interested in being a part of.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, so you're waiting for this, you're waiting for your... It's not a trial. It's an appeal. It's an appeal. You're waiting for the appeal to go through?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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All right. Do you have anything else?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And... That's going to be bad. I was going to say... I mean, after shooting at the cops, I think I'd rather just go ahead because you're about to spend the rest of your life in prison.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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We're good?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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All right. I'll wrap it. Well, one, I appreciate you coming out, making the drive. How far was the drive?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. No, and it's all, it's I-75.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I was just thinking it's funny this. No, never mind. I was going to say, this might be the public information officer for Okeechobee Sheriff's Department, because I'm actually supposed to interview the sheriff of Okeechobee County Sheriff's Office on a story I'm writing. So, I was going to say, they were going to call me today. I never get any phone calls during the day.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So, when it was ringing, I was like, that's probably the public, because he's calling me to schedule it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But it's funny too how things turn out. Like I do talks in front of law enforcement. I, you know.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I don't know. Listen, I went into prison. 13 years later, I came out and it's just such a vastly different world. Like imagine being removed for 13 years. When iPhones came out, there were no iPhones. So I go to prison. I come out. Everybody's walking around staring at their phone. Nobody talks to each other. Nobody wants to work. Kids don't want to work. Like I couldn't wait to work.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Kids don't want to get their driver's licenses. They don't want to. It's like it's...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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it's insanity and people don't know how to talk to each other they don't know you know there's so many you know the the things that people argue argue over are you know initially when i hear the arguments i kind of scoffed it off and kind of laughed about it you know and and now they're so passionate about things that seem so irrelevant and it's like are you serious like

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Like, you guys know that China is probably going to invade Taiwan, right? You know that there's that Russia's invading, you know, has invaded. Why do I want to say Chechnya? Ukraine. Ukraine. Like, you know, there's like other things that are going on. There are bigger problems, you know.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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stomach stuff things but i didn't look at them i mean like you're gonna explain the whole thing anyway and i have a brief understanding of what happened but um honestly i've been absolutely booked um the last few days okay so on the last week or so um But I mean, my basic understanding of the... I really typically just, I typically do like true crime stuff.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I don't know if you looked at the channel or anything.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, I had watched a couple of the videos on your channel, on the Confessions channel, not the two cops. But I'd watched one of those videos and you were talking about how people leave comments and this kind of stuff doesn't happen and this isn't true. And I mean...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right, well, I mean... But he just got, you know... Yeah, yeah, but I mean, it's, you know, the problem is, is that, like, if you're the, if you're the victim, silent mode, no, on... if you're the victim of that, you know, then, you know, obviously you're trying to claw back as much money as possible.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So if he bought his parents house with the money, well, I mean, look, I'm sorry, your son's a scumbag, but we're trying to get this retiree as much money back that he stole this money from a retiree or something like, well, he did good.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So, his last few six months or a year, your house is being, your son's thrown in jail. Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, I understand.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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whoa like i filled out some paperwork like i don't have a weapon like i get it if you've got a history of violence and stuff but you know it's the whole overwhelming force or it was funny there's a guy rashi i forget his name and it was in new york and like he was a wall street guy it was like half a billion dollars something outrageous and for him they came and they like knocked on the door and they were like listen

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I know of US attorneys just from writing stories where I know US attorneys that have been caught manufacturing evidence, caught lying, fired, and then rehired in another jurisdiction in a supervisor's position. So you were just an assistant US attorney. Now you're a supervising US attorney. So you were given a promotion

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I mean, you got to come with us.

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You know, they were real nice. And he was upset because, like, they parked in front of my building. I was like, parked in front of your building? Like, you used to laugh at me. Or you were accused of... Marshall doesn't know whether it's valid or not. You know, they don't know. Like, I was giving them a word. I got to get this guy. They said, he's a bad guy. He's got to come to jail.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So, yeah, he was upset because, like, oh, they had... They had their their lights on. They embarrassed me. I'm like, they they didn't pull their gun, your guns. They didn't kick in your door. They didn't grab you when you were, you know, I'm saying like he he was complaining that he had been treated unfairly. And it was probably the most fair arrest that I'd ever seen.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know, like when they, who came for me, Secret Service, they didn't even call the marshals for me. The Secret Service just staked out the house for like three days and then they pulled up and jumped out.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, and I was just saying, in my case, like, they knew exactly, like, they were given an address.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I was there, like, they're gonna watch it. They actually watched, I actually had, was staying in a hotel with, we'd had a robbery and so, you know, we weren't staying there anymore and we were staying in a hotel but, and the local sheriff's department or police department just, they knew we'd had a robbery so they called and said, hey, can you meet us there so we can get the surveillance

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And I said, sure, no problem. And I pulled up cause they'd watched it for three days. They were like, this guy, where's this guy? He's not here. And so I showed up and they, they pulled up, but it was funny too, because they. The secret service, the FBI wasn't, the FBI had an indictment out of Florida. Secret Service had one out of Georgia. And, like, they weren't cooperating.

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And so, you know, with each other, and so I don't know if they didn't want to call the marshals. I'm not sure when they finally grabbed me. I know that it was so funny. I had called the FBI agent when I was on the run at one point, just to see if I could turn myself in, like maybe I could get the deal or something. And I was talking to her.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And at one point I said, okay, she was going to call you as attorney and see what he could work out. And she said, um, She said, I said, well, okay. And she says, well, here, just, you know, give me your phone number, which I'm sure she already had, you know, like I called on a cell phone. She says, give me your phone number and I'll call you back.

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And I went, eh, I said, you're probably tracking this call. I said, I'm going to shut off the phone. I'll call you back. She says, oh, get over yourself. She says, you're not that important. And I was like, yeah, like, who do I think I am? You know? And I was like. Stop watching TV.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And I was thinking, but I was thinking.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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no you know what i'm gonna i just feel like no i'm gonna so i said no you know what i'll call you back in an hour she was okay i hung up the phone turned it off later when i got to prison i ordered my freedom of information act and i found out that she immediately called the marshals the marshals called like verizon verizon said that phone number was just issued to a phone that was purchased at it was like a 7-eleven that was connected to like a

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a subway sub sandwich place and I was sitting in the subway this whole time I waited the whole time and they immediately issued two marshals to drive to that location and I just happened to leave before they got there

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That would have been 2000... That would have been... That specific thing happened in 2005. Yeah, those days are over.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, it's funny too because...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Granted, it was a year later in another jurisdiction, but I mean, you shouldn't have been a U.S. attorney. You've already framed people. You've been proven to frame people. There's court cases showing, matter of fact, the middle district had to pay, I think, $3.5 million because you framed someone. And they just rehire you.

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By that point, the guy is gone.

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They put two guys in the car immediately and they still missed me. But I mean, who knows? If I had stuck around five more minutes, they might have grabbed me. Of course. And it's funny too because I didn't know I was writing my memoir when I had ordered...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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all this documents right so i kept saying it was a track phone track phone i forget what i what i was referring to and when i actually got the documents i saw documents in i actually saw like they had the phone number they had like it was whoever it was like virgin or verizon whoever it was i was like oh wow like it was so you can only go back so far now because you're not allowed to look at so much information and it's the same thing like trying to do your ip address on your your um computer the computer that is

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And that happens, you know, so if that's happening in a federal level, what's it like at a good old boys network of a small town sheriff's department? You know, like obviously it's, it's, it's much, much worse.

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The Rodney King, you know, that the Rodney King videotape.

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I remember everybody, people used to say, yeah, well, that's the exception. I was like, it is the exception that it was videotaped. It's not that it doesn't happen all the time. The exception part is somebody was there with a video camera.

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Where I know U.S. attorneys that have been caught manufacturing evidence. fired and then rehired in another jurisdiction in a supervisor's position. So you were given a promotion. You've already framed people. If that's happening in a federal level, what's it like at a good old boys network of a small town sheriff's department?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Um, one of the officers.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, that's what's propagated. That's what everybody said. That's the popular thing to say.

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100%.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know, it's funny. Um, it makes me like the more serious, the more serious the place is, the more laxed you have to be to survive. And it's funny because I had a, an SIS Lieutenant in federal prison. Tell me, tell me this.

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So I was in the medium for like three years when I went to the low, you know, you have to have, as you come into intake, you know, you talk to medical, you talk to psych, you talk to, you know, all these different departments. Well, when I got to SIS, he, I remember he walked in, he said, listen, you're not gonna have any problems here. He said, I'll simplify it for you.

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He is in the pen, we're trying to keep the inmates from stabbing us. In the medium, we're trying to keep them from stabbing each other. He said, at the low, we're trying to keep them following the rules. He said, it's that simple. He said, you're a rule follower, you're gonna be fine. And he left. But that's the truth because at the pen,

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they're super respectful to the inmates because they're extremely dangerous. At the medium, they're a little bit less respectful, but still pretty respectful. At the low, the cops are maniacs because they're talking to a bunch of guys that are rule followers who don't want to go anywhere. So, you know, you can, at a lower, if you're in suburbia,

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You can pull anybody over for anything at all because none of them are going to give you a problem. Yes, sir. No, sir. Absolutely. I can't believe that you couldn't see my tag. Of course, I deserve a ticket for that. I don't know what I was thinking. But if you're in a high gang area, you see four gangbangers in a car that you can barely see their tag. It's like, you know what?

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I'm going to let them go. That could go so wrong. Or you call them up, you pull them over and real quick, Hey bro, make, check your tag, bro. You can't have that, that filter thing over the tag. Okay. No problem. I don't need to see your license. You guys are good. That buys a lot of respect.

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Yeah, I'm not going to be jacking. Texas and Arizona, there's cartel members having shootouts with the cops. Yeah. On you in the U.S.? Yeah. In Florida, if you told someone that, they'd be like, yeah, that's not possible. No, there's cartel in Texas, in Arizona, in Texas, having shootouts with the police. They're like, I don't believe that.

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Because just because you don't see it doesn't mean it's not happening. Just because it's not happening here.

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Well, like you said, your backup's an hour away. Yes. Nobody's coming to help you.

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It's funny in the BOP because they have like a union. They can't fire people. So the more of a problem you are to get rid of you, they give you a promotion. So you end up getting promoted from a CEO to – you go from like a CEO. You're a problem as a CEO. Okay, make him a counselor. Okay, he's a problem as a counselor. Make him a unit manager. Okay, he's a problem as a unit manager.

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Make him a supervisor. Okay, he's a problem – I mean just to get him out of the prison. I mean I've seen that happen over and over again. where they had, I, and the other, you know, when all the other officers hate your guts and the inmates hate your guts and they cannot fire you.

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And even the other officers will say, well, eventually a supervisor position will come available and they'll force them to take the supervisor position and they'll ship them across the country. And there'll be somebody else's problem for another three or four years. And then they'll ship them somewhere else. It's like, are you serious? They're like, well, they just can't fire them.

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It's like the guys that dig the tunnels for the cartel in Mexico. They keep them there in a warehouse, have them dig the tunnels. And three months after the tunnels, three months of working, you're promised a whole bunch of money. Then when the tunnel's done, they bring you back. They have you dig a big trench and they take you out and execute you in the desert and they bury you and

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You're just some poor kid from some town, a hundred miles away from where the tunnel is. Your family hasn't seen you in three months. Nobody knows where you are. Like, why would I pay you the 30,000 or 50,000? I promised you when I could just execute you. I mean, we're already, you know what I'm saying? We're already in the middle of nowhere. We're already the cartel.

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Like these are all, these guys are mostly murderers anyway. You're just some peasant from the middle of nowhere. Nobody's going to miss you, but your family there's, you know, they don't know where you're at.

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Yeah, what are you going to do?

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But you know, what I was going to mention to you is, you know, the, the, What I don't think people really understand is that, you know, by by giving tickets like that generates income for the, you know, the city, the police department. And, you know, so, you know, in a lot of ways, like they want you to give it. Of course, you know, they want you to give tickets. Why? It generates money.

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It puts money in our coffers. And it's not that they're making it up. It's like just enforce these policies as best you can or on an extreme level, on a very liberal level. But I was going to say my sister was kind of like on a subcouncil in Temple Terrace. Temple Terrace is a little town outside of Tampa.

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And I remember she, they had gone to the city council and said, look, you've got these no U-turn signs that literally go for about two miles. Like you can't turn around in temple terrace on this little street. Like it's, it's dangerous to it's, it's dangerous to try and turn around there. And I get the U-turn signs, but it's just such a pain in the ass and it's always been an issue.

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So she goes there and says, look, why don't we get rid of these signs? You know, at least between here and here. And one of the city, you know, one of the city council members said, OK, I understand which which police officer do you want to let go? And she was like, what do you mean? He said, those signs generate $80,000 a year for our city.

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So we would have to let at least one officer go to generate the money because we're going to lose $80,000 out of our budget. That's a police officer. And she was like, like, wow, I had no, I didn't realize that. It's the same thing with those cameras on the, you know, the street cameras. My brother-in-law fought Temple Terrace and made them get rid of them.

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They were jet, those cameras were generating like a million dollars, half a million dollars a year. They were furious about it. So, you know, so sometimes it's like, you know, they're trying to enforce, it's not that they're necessarily being, you know, total jerks about it, but like, That does generate money. So of course there's quotas. Yeah. I mean, you know what I'm saying?

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Like there are quotas like this to think, even if you're, like you said, they're not, they're not specified. Like you have to give it, but they, they want that money coming in.

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We want you to write the tickets.

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Was this federal?

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And he, what's, what's an IA?

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Eternal affairs. Yeah.

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Yeah. Right. Right.

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Can you realize while this was happening, something.

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Yeah, I was going to say there were I remember talking to, you know, multiple Mexicans in county jail, which was the U.S. Marshals holdover and in prison where they would say they get pulled over by by whatever, you know, sometimes whatever sheriff's deputies state, you know, the state troopers and they'd search their car and they go, look.

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You know, we found, like, I don't know the amount, but let's, you know, we found this much heroin on you. And we found this much cash. Now, in the federal system, they're going to convert this cash to heroin. So you're going to get hit with, you know, a pound of heroin. That's a mandatory minimum of 15 years. Or I can take the $15,000 of, or $20,000 in cash.

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And I can say, I only found 2000 and you'll probably only get five years. What do you want me to do? Which one do you want me to put into evidence? And they go, put the $2,000 in there. You go, okay, cool. Yours isn't going to come up later, right? You're not going to be mentioning that there's money missing. Nope, absolutely not. Okay, cool.

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And then they just walk off with the money or they take half the, half the, you know, heroin or whatever it was. And they, they'd still arrest them, but you're either getting 10, you know, 15 years or five. What do you want it to be? Right. It was like, fuck. Yeah. Four body cameras and all that shit.

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Well, if they cleared him, what took so long to indict the character? Right, right.

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No registering?

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Run again.

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Well, so what, I mean, you're not in Florida now.

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Hey, this is Matt Cox and I am here with Trent James. He is a former law enforcement officer and he's got a super interesting story and we're going to get into it right now. So check it out. Yeah.

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Yeah, listen, absolute power corrupts absolutely. So that's not going to stick. That facet is going to run through every vein, you know, so. And you've seen, you know, you see these guys on some of these cops on TikTok and shorts and stuff and on videos where it's like, you're like, you know, some of them are just out of control.

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They're, you know, they're pulling over a traffic stop, screaming at old ladies and just regular people on a traffic stop because I didn't pull over right away. I went on a side street and they run over, they're yanking open car doors and screaming at people. It's like, bro, it's a traffic stop. Like I was... You know what I'm saying? Like, what are you doing?

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It's some you know, some people just shouldn't be shouldn't be cops.

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Um, okay. All right. Well, I mean, you think there's anything else we haven't gone over?

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Right. And you have, you have two channels though, right now.

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If you decide to run for sheriff again, Let me know. We'll do a, we'll do a video on it.

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You never know.

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hey i appreciate you guys watching the video if you liked it do me a favor hit the like button subscribe to the channel hit the bell so you get notified of videos like this check out the links in the description box and leave me a comment really appreciate it and i will see you i'm originally from queens new york rockaway beach my whole life i um went to grammar school there and then high school and after high school i went in the navy for about seven years i was uh

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Is working the fugitive and the warrant squad, is that like when you join, is that like that's the goal?

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How many guys are there here that are doing this? Is it three or is it six?

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Okay.

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Right.

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Well, that's the worst thing you can say.

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Correct. Okay.

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Right. And... Well, you would think that would be easily discounted, you know?

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Right. Well, that's really the culture now, isn't it? That you could basically lie, blatantly lie and accuse people. And then when you find out that that's untrue, nothing happens to the person that lies.

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Which should tell you something's wrong, right?

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Does she have a cell phone? Does she provide the cell phone?

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So are you allowed to present witnesses? Are you just...

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I was going to say like Dawn couldn't show up and say this is what's going on.

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Which is a big deal for... A federal agent. A federal agent to be fired. Yeah.

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No, please. Are you starting to feel like this isn't going to work? Like they already know this might not work, but we're going to keep throwing stuff until we get rid of this guy. Like at this point, it's like, okay, so at this point, these guys are just going to continue to hound me until they get rid of me. Are you feeling like that? Like, I mean, look, they've already lied this investigation.

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You know what? Throw another one at them. Throw another one at them. Throw another one. Like, something will stick eventually.

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It's not hard to get a DM.

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And he knows he's going to go to jail for the rest of his life. He may very well put up a fight.

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And it's just because of a phone call from a woman that says... That's how it started.

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But still, they use my- And they just throw enough at you.

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We don't know if that was stolen.

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I was going to say, first of all, she's admitting that she's a felon in possession of a firearm. That's three-year mandatory minimum. In New York. In New York. I was going to say, federally, that's... But that's New York.

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Yeah.

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You dislike, you don't like children or small animals.

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They don't want anything that doesn't support their version of the events.

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I'm trying to think of one.

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I was going to say that I think the problem is that you you wouldn't like it's not it's not a far leap because for you to do that, because given the situation like you wouldn't think it would have gone as far as it has already gone. So the idea that it wouldn't go a step further, it would be stupid to think, oh, no, they won't. They won't do anything to my wife. They won't mess with my family.

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They won't. No, no. They've already continually pushed that bar. There doesn't seem to be a limit. So I can. So to say, hey, look, let's just let's just sell. Let's get out of this. Let's let's. I mean, I could totally see that because I was thinking, wow, that's that's like, you know, you really that's a huge step. But at this point, they don't seem to be stopping.

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So I don't see what other choice you have. Nobody seems to be looking out for you.

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You know, unless the FBI, unless it sparked a second investigation of some time, some type, you'd think Homeland Security would have you would think Homeland Security would would investigate that, too. But.

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these are two independent it's not unheard of for the irs to be investigating you for one fraud or one for tax evasion or whatever right uh mail fraud you know tax evasion uh whatever and then for someone to have a whole nother and then the dea is investigating them on a completely separate and for them to have two parallel separate investigations like that does happen not always

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But it does happen. They certainly have you'll certainly have things where the FBI is investigating you for one thing and you might have a completely different investigation by, let's say, the SEC, you know, sorry, Security and Exchange Commission. You know, they may have two separate investigations.

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That happens a lot, but it's typically because, one, they're trying to bring one person's case up, go to trial, and then when they get all the evidence from there, the FBI uses that evidence to help boost their investigation. Because you try and fight this investigation because you think, hey, I can beat this.

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But in the process of that, you give up a lot of information that the FBI can then use to criminally charge you on theirs. But you're talking about the FBI and the – Homeland Security, but it could be two parallel investigations, especially if they're in different jurisdictions. You've got Homeland Security is charging him and that's in New York.

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And then you've got maybe there's a completely different investigation going on in Los Angeles. Right.

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So do you believe that the Los Angeles government or the California government in some way would be involved in scraping these houses off the... face of the earth, you know, or setting fires or, you know, you said, you know,

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um and illegal um i don't know if it was you know whatever south american or central american or yeah they said allegedly he's from mexico okay so you what is there a theory there where they hire this guy to do this knowing he can go back across the border with a chunk of chunk of change is that you think you're thinking that i mean that they get rid of this area which boy let me tell you something it's really they've really scoured it too like this thing

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this thing is there's like 70 houses missing and maybe one that doesn't get that one that's unscathed and then and honestly you can come in and do eminent domain for that uh and of course once you once you acquire those properties you just do one large kind of you just re not rezone but you redraw the boundaries and you can build whatever you want so when i was saying like a typical homeowner

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is no longer in a position to rebuild, maybe it makes them more...

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more reasonable when it comes to buying them out because they still own the property right right you got yourself you got you got a little bit of money from the insurance company you can't rebuild your lot is worth almost nothing now because you can't rebuild it now yeah they're already doing they're already uh i've seen um offers already on a um nearly five million dollar property they're offering 750 for the land you know so like that's it's already happening and

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then gavin newsom said he's going to be investigating land grabs and predatory practices and all this other stuff it's like okay you're saving face like you don't want to you don't want to get thrown out so you see the investor i'm sorry so first of all if you buy if i buy this piece of property that you can't build on and i buy this one that you can build on or that you also can't build on but guess what now i have two properties you redraw the survey

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get a new folio number and now i have a prop one property that is big enough to build on right i got it for almost nothing right now it meets all new code new standard and it matches the overall aesthetic that we've planned for this area yeah so and it's hard it could be that it could be that and and and then also like how you said going back to the illegal real quick um

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have a plan and there's been multiple arson arsons caught and and it's just it's really odd it's funny i was watching this interview with uh uh newsome and he said they were he was like you know this is he talks about the whatever it is the smelt that fish fish you know they're talking about the fish and the water runoff and how

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He he's like, yeah, that he says, you know, Trump is politicizing this and he goes, all of the state reservoirs are full, all the like, that's not true what he said. And then they go, well, wait a minute, this reservoir that the reporters like, well, yeah, but this reservoir was empty. It was empty. And he goes, he's like, right.

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And that's why I'm launching an investigation into saying Trump was lying. And when he says it's proof been proven that the reservoir is empty and the chief had said it was empty and the the the fire hydrants are empty.

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No, it wasn't man on fire. Was he was a bodyguard guy. I know exactly the one you're talking.

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It's just like that though. It's always in the movies, but I forgot the name of that movie. His ex wife. was the one who was investigating it, and they were looking into the missing money and the murder. It was a great movie. It was a great movie, right?

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Gavin, he's no Denzel Washington. I'll tell you that right now. So what are the tunnels that are so well-known? And what's the Diddy angle?

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Do you think these guys, you think they're all connected? What, they're all on the Diddy list? What do they have in common?

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You're not going to believe this. I didn't watch that.

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She tried to turncoat me. Did she send the letter where they were trying to get the influencers to And okay, did you do a video where you showed the email they were sending?

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Who were, I was gonna say, like, you would think whoever she was sending those to, you would be 100% positive they were on the team before. You're not hiring very competent people if you're not, like, I'm not sending that letter to anybody that I don't know isn't already doing pro-Kamala Harris content or has it been very, very boisterous as far as what their political affiliations are? Exactly.

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I remember that. I remember you put up the post where you showed the actual devices compared to what the earrings that she had, right? Like this is the earrings and it was the speakers. Right. They were connected.

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So, uh, so back to the uh the wildfires what is you said you have enough you had a second

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But did you see the thing with Gavin Newsom where he's already talking? He's standing in front of a bunch of burnt out buildings and he's talking. He's all happy about how they are going to. be able to rebuild and do this. And we've got a game plan. We're already putting it together. We're meeting with developers, investors. This place is still on fire, bro.

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One of the ones I've heard is the evidence.

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What's energy harvesting?

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Covering what up? Well, the tunnels that the tunnels and this what this underground ring that's, you know, rampant in Hollywood, supposedly.

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So you think it's a combination of that and possibly so it's possibly common, possibly that and possibly a combination of the government wanting to clear this area to build a new smart city, which they're already what they've been talking about and they're already talking about. So it's

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I think that is more reasonable than everybody in that area getting together and saying, let's torch this whole place because they're losing a ton of money unless they feel like, like you're saying. So to me, what makes that theory more palatable is Diddy is cooperating. He's giving up names. And there are so many people involved, they've decided to...

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And there's such substantial evidence as a result of some of these tunnels and evidence that's out there that they have just that several of them possibly got together and hired someone to start burning the town down to try and get rid of the evidence and get rid of the tunnels and the whole. rotten mess to wipe it, wipe that whole area clean so that they have deniability.

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They move. So where do you think they move? You think they're moving out of the country in order to avoid indictments? Or you think they're dispersing just throughout the United States just to make an investigation more difficult?

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Yeah, I wonder. I wonder what Diddy is saying. If he did cooperate. I can't. I don't. Do you think he's cooperating or not? I don't think he is. Well, I think initially he was, one, wants to get out of jail. You know, when he couldn't pull that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like, he probably would have fought his case if he could have gotten out of jail, contacted enough of these people, and got them to not cooperate with the investigation. Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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at that point i think he probably would have gone to to trial you know not guilty i'm going to trial suddenly witnesses aren't showing up people are changing their stories and suddenly he walks but because they're keeping him in jail i think if there is a formal conspiracy of some type

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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then I think at that point, his only real choice, well, he does have the choice of doing life in prison, but other than life in prison, going to trial is no longer an option. Why? Because I cannot... I cannot contact the witnesses and I can't kind of stifle their cooperation.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So if I can't do that, then my only other option is plead guilty and just take the charge, go to trial, I guess, and just lose, which is a mistake, obviously. Or do I cooperate and try and give up enough people so that maybe I have to do five years?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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maybe 10 but i don't have to do life in prison i can survive 10 years in prison because let's face it 10 years in prison he's got he does seven or eight years depends on what the charge is if he gets the charge reduced and it doesn't and it's not a if it's a non-sexual charge um then it's even lower he could end up doing on a 10-year bid he could do six years Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know, now, of course, if they say, no, no, you have to. But of course, that's negotiable. You can negotiate. You can say, hey, no, no, I'll I will plead guilty to this charge. But it does not include that that charge. And as a result of that, I'll take the 10 years because I know I'll do I know I'll be in a halfway house in six. Right. So now I can do that and keep mine at this point.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You get to a certain point when you first get locked up. He's like, I can't do this. Get me out. Get me out. Get me out. I'll do anything to get out. I'll put up anything. Just get me out. Get me out. Get me out. But then after six months or so, maybe a year, you get to a point where you're like, I've done a year. I can do this.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like, I don't want to do my whole life, but if I had to do five or six years, I could do it. I've already done a year. You start realizing, and of course the guys in the Marshall's holdover where he is, kind of the county jail, are explaining to him, look, once you get to a prison, it's even better. The prison's even better than where you are right now. Right now it's a shithole.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But you go to prison, you can email, you can use the phone regularly, you can walk the track, you can play racquetball, you can play handball, you can play tennis, you can learn to play a musical instrument. There's all kinds of things you'll be able to do. You can go to commissary, you can get ice cream. You can eat ice cream. You can play video games. There's all kinds.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So if you can watch TV, it sounds like camp. Exactly. Like it, it, it becomes a, you know, and he'll go to a low and guess what? You'll be able to put money on people's books and you'll be running that place. You put money on five books and they're basically, you're walking around with like a protection detail. You're getting in. You're the, you're the one running the TV room.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You walk in and you want to turn the channel. You turn the channel. Why? Cause I got six guys, six of the biggest guys in the unit with me. What are you going to say? Who's going to say anything? Somebody's making your bed. I mean, look, it's still jail. It's a shitty environment, but you're not living like a normal inmate.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Listen, I know guys that almost never ate a meal in the chow hall because they had people stealing food out of the chow hall and they were making their own meals. So all your meals are prepared. You might go to a meal if it's something like fried chicken, right? Like it's hard to fuck up fried chicken. And even then, when you go through the line, they're giving you the best.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You're not getting a little piece of fried chicken. You're getting a nice fried chicken. You're getting the best of everything. So, you know, so you might go once or twice a week for the good meals. You might go for like they call them holiday meals for like Thanksgiving and Christmas. You go to those because those are good meals. So you're not other than that. You're just eating in the unit.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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somebody's making your bed somebody's cleaning your like everything somebody you want to watch movies somebody's signing you in when you walk in and say hey you know you walk in and somebody signed you and you get to sit down you get to watch whatever dvds you want or that they have dvds they don't have you know streaming so you get to you should be like you're you're living you're really just being entertained for the next six years until you walk out of prison right he's not looking at this he's not doing the same time you and i would be doing

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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right right yeah he's living on the high horse in there right and he's slowly figuring that out six months to a year by six months to a year you're starting to realize this isn't the absolute hell hole i thought it was

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And then, and wouldn't that time that he's already doing would be like time served or like it's, it's no, not double time, but it, but it is, it does count toward like time served towards your overall time. So if you get, if you've done a year at, you've been locked up a year and then you get sentenced to six years, you have five years to go. I already did a year. Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That year counts towards the six, you know, or the 10, let's say 10, they give you 15% off. Like how old is Diddy also? Uh, he's in his fifties, early fifties, I believe. Okay. So once you get to like over, I think 55, you get, I believe you get, and I could be wrong on this. So don't crucify me in the comment section. Pretty sure once you're over 55, you don't do 85% anymore.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I think it drops to 65%. Oh, really? Okay. Now, that might be a higher rate. It might be if you're over 65. I think it's 55, though. So you do less time. Plus, you can get time off for programming. So if you take classes, you get extra time off. So even if he's doing the 85%, he'd do eight and a half years on 10. Plus, he can get up to, I think it's 20% off for programming.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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almost everybody almost everything is considered programming so and here's the thing you could get a job There are jobs they call – they're sign-in jobs where you sign in saying you have a job, but you never actually do anything. Or you can sign in for your job and have another inmate do the job, which is – Which he's definitely going to do. Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He can sign up for any job, and then another inmate who has a sign-in job just goes and does his job, which is like sweeping up at the compound or mopping the floors or cleaning the showers or –

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know right have you have you experienced this like i know you did time right i did 13 years yeah so you you've seen it all oh yeah i've that's what i'm saying i've seen the guys who never go to the chow hall i've seen somebody they basically like a guy shows up at their at their at their cell when they go to the wreck yard and cleans their whole room

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, if you're going to burn a place down, why would you burn down Watts? You know what I'm saying? Those are the houses you want to get rid of. That's the area you want to get rid of because at least if we rebuild it, you can rebuild it in a way that you can tax the shit out of the new houses. You know, the new high rises and luxury condos and mansions you're going to build.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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organizes their locker, makes their bed, folds all their clothes, anything extra that they have that they're like, yeah, my locker is getting kind of crowded. I want you to keep all these books for me and you keep this in your locker. And they go, absolutely, no problem. And then they'll do stuff like they'll sign up for like what's called a legal locker.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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saying, hey, I need an extra locker for my legal work. And they'll just keep extra stuff in the legal locker. Or they'll have you sign up for a legal locker and you'll keep my stuff in your legal locker. That's crazy. You can manipulate the system so that you can get a lot of, pretty much, especially if you have just a lot of money. Which he does. He's a billionaire. He has disposable cash.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He'll be running that fucking place. Listen, you get one or two corrupt guards. And then the guards will bring you in. They'll bring you in stuff, drugs, not that he needs weapons because he would never have any of this, but a cell phone. He could have several cell phones and he doesn't keep them. Other people keep them. If they get caught with them, then they keep their mouth shut.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Because if you go to the shoe, I'll put a thousand bucks on your boat. You've mentioned my name. And not only we can have a problem, you might get shipped. I'll have somebody at the other prison take care of you because I had to do 60 days in the shoe. So they wouldn't dare say anything. Right. They'll take the charge. Yeah, that's my cell phone. I'll take it. Boom. They go straight to the shoe.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Diddy never has any problems. I promise you right now. He does good time. Now, and that's including cooperate. Even if he cooperated, it doesn't matter. He'll put money on five. Yeah, he'll still. Right. Good. Nobody says shit to him. Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And so if he were to bring, if he were to, because keep in mind too, look right now, the feds, I don't know what evidence they have, what text messages they have. I don't know who's cooperating, who's whatever. But right now he's the big fish. If he turned on some of the other fish. Which I think he's doing. Right. So if he said, you know what, listen, I'm going to give up Tom Hanks.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'm going to give up Ellen. I'm going to give up JLo. I'm going to give up. I got 12 big time names. I'm going to give up and I'll take the charge because I know I have to go to prison. Like the back in the 70s and 80s where you give them a whole bunch of names and you you walk away. That doesn't happen anymore. No matter what, you're going to prison. Right, right. You drop all these charges.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'll try to plead guilty to one charge of whatever. And I go for five years or for 10, I'll go for 10 years. I've already done a year. Yeah, so now you're doing five or six. Yeah, I got five more years and I'm gonna halfway. Knock that off, yeah. I'm done.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And so you guys get, the government gets to say, hey, we gave this guy 10 years and he gave us these 12 celebrities, which we're now prosecuting. And he gave us this whole child, whatever ring, this whole chomo ring.

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Burning down these nice houses. I'm not positive how that makes sense, although they're in a very desirable location. And they're grandfathered in on old codes. A lot of those are grandfathered in on 50s and 60s and 70 codes. Those houses can't even be rebuilt.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know what's really funny is Cat Williams. The idea of the Cat Williams interview being as telling as it was when he just sounded kind of like a little crackpot at the time. It's like he's just running around. No, no. Just like you just said, what'd you say about a conspiracy? The difference between conspiracy and reality is... It's six to 12 months.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I had a friend one time, this was before I ever got locked up. Now, he had a, his degree was in, he had a master's degree in tax. And this guy was making money the whole time he was in school, stayed in school as long as possible.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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right so the only way to get rid of those houses and kind of restructure that area is to bring all of them down and how already have code enforcement in place that says you can't rebuild on this property right there's a lot of red tape that's going to happen and based on the new code but you probably don't have enough room to read right i don't know if you know how

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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this guy was brilliant actually he uh he had taken out the maximum amount of student loans he could for six years gets his master's degree while he was running a painting company right like he's hiring people to paint houses and of course almost all that's cash he's claiming a deficit every year like he's losing money every year right okay he at he graduates

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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college six months to a year after he starts school he gets he gets notified by the irs he's being audited about a week or two he puts it off as long as possible about a week or two later his house gets hit by lightning and it destroys his computer system and the electrical in his house. And so that's where he kept all of his tax records.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And because the fire department shows up after the electrical, they write him a letter stating his house was struck by lightning and it destroyed everything. He claims on his homeowner's insurance that of course his computers were all struck. Everything was damaged. Everything was fried, all the electric. He gets, he gets his house rewired.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They redo the, uh, all the drywall, redo everything, gets all of his computers and he gets, and he presents that to the IRS that I don't have any records for everything I said, because my house got struck by lightning and they have to drop the, um, they have to drop the, uh, um, All of his receipts, everything are gone. They were all on the computer, scanned. So they dropped the entire audit.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And he gets a pass. By the way, a year later, no, not even a year later, a few months later, six months later, whatever, he claims bankruptcy. Now, prior to this, he had applied for a social security disability. Mm-hmm. to get, and keep in mind, he had something called spinal pifida, which is a deterioration of your spinal column. It was fine. Okay. He's like six foot six, but whatever.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He's complaining, whatever. Goes to the doctor, gets notified. He's been fighting this for a couple of years, by the way. He finally gets it registered that he's social security disability. He gets a small check. So he's what's called permanently partially disabled, which means you're permanently disabled, but not completely. You can still work. So he gets a check for 250 bucks a month.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Very interesting. Something like that. And it goes back for like eight years or six years, however long he'd been fighting this case. So they give him a check for like a hundred grand. He had claimed bankruptcy. Did you know that student loans are not, you're not able to bankrupt your student loans? Right. He's got about $200,000 in student loans, 250,000, whatever.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Do you know the one way you can bankrupt your student loans? If you are disabled. he's got a permanent partial disablement and he's receiving social security and he's got it proven. And the government has already accepted it because they're giving him disability. He wipes off his student loans. He later tells me the IRS audit. Remember that he got struck by lightning? Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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The other stuff is kind of irrelevant. I'm just telling you how manipulative this person was. He had a buddy that was an electrician that crossed wires for him and caused the electrical surge that burnt out the electrical at his house. His computer wasn't really even fried. But of course, when he claims for his insurance, so the fire department does show up.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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zoning works but let's say you have a residential zoning one that means you can build one um you typically can build like like one uh residence on any given piece of property let's say it's an acre you can build one residence on an acre and you have like rs2 rs3 rs16 like rs20 would be like an apartment complex You can build 20 units on one acre of land, let's say.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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The system was fried, but there was no real fire or anything. It gets hot, and it burns out and everything. It looks like it was struck by lightning. So they call the fire department. He says, I don't know. I was sitting here, and I heard a bam. And everything fucking flashed, and everything went out, and it burned out. And I saw smoke, and there was a fire. And they're like, oh, wow, OK.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And they look at it, and they go, yeah, it looks like you got hit by lightning. And he's like, yeah. So they write up the report. He got hit by lightning, claims to his insurance company. They replace all the electrical. He gets to say when he lists all the things that were burnt out, my two computers were burnt out completely, which fried the memory. Guess what?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I lost all my files for the IRS audit. So, oh, this guy was brilliant.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Of the houses, I'm not sure exactly how that helps all of these people, unless somehow burning the entire area destroys these tunnels, which maybe you could still discover. Maybe they're still there. I don't know. But the evidence, does it destroy evidence? Possibly. It did in this guy's case. Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So we don't know. And these people have a lot to lose. And these people are smart. If they don't know smart, they know smart people. They know fixers. Right. There are guys that are fixers. Right. I mean, look at this. This guy had a brilliant master plan. When he started college, he thought, hmm. I could do this and this and this.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And he started the process of things that typically people don't, you know, how many people do you know that have, you know, they have bulging discs and they have, you know, they just live with it where they could, you can start the process of filing for social security disability. You'll be denied. You get an attorney. It takes six to eight years, but guess what?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Eventually you'll get some kind of a permanent partial disablement. It might be a check for $75. He was like, it wasn't the, it wasn't the $250 he cared about. It was the $250,000 in student loans he didn't want to pay. Right. That's what his goal was. I don't want to pay. And he used to tell me in school, I was like, bro, he's like, oh, I'm living on student loans.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And I was like, man, yeah, but someday you got to pay that back. And I said, you know, you can't. I said, he was all bankrupt. And I go, you can't bankrupt federal student loans. You can't. He was, yeah, you can. He said, trust me, I'm working on it right now. And sure enough, one day it finally came through and he was like, ah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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now i'm claiming bankruptcy that is a batman villain maniacal that's long term all of this happened all of that sequence of events happened within about 18 months like these are things that he had planned five years four or five years beforehand when he started school he had planned the bank so that's one of them the other now of course he never he didn't know he was going to be audited

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But he knew how he was gonna get out of an audit because he'd been lying. Hey, if this happens, then this happens, then I'll do this. He'd been lying on his taxes the whole time. Keep in mind, he had filed his taxes that whole time, just lying and lying. He'd been painting people's houses for cash the whole time. He was also the guy that taught me the scam

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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where he was hiring people so he's hiring these guys that are like alcoholics they're they're paying a lot of painters drywallers these kind of they call them jack legs where they're unlicensed and cash or whatever this is one of the things he would do and this is how he offset how much money he was making he would you let's say you just worked for him for two weeks and he owes you

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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you know, whatever, $750 for your work. You work a few days here, a few days there, whatever. He owes you $750. So he would come to you and he'd pull out a check and he'd write a check for $750. And he'd go to hand it to you. Oh, bro, you got cash? And then you go, oh, wow. I do have cash. Here, I'll cash this check for you. but I need you to sign it for my taxes.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Now, obviously, the unit measurement may change. But a lot of these properties, they're like, okay, well, I built here. I'm grandfathered in. But the zoning has evolved in such a way that now they're saying you can buy on one, let's say, half acre piece of property you can build. So it would be more like an acre. You'd say this is zoned RS2. So on, let's say...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And the guy would be like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Cause this guy, most of these guys don't, don't claim taxes anyway. You see what I'm saying? They're getting all 1099s here. They don't care. So he would sign the check to the guy. I'm sorry. The guy would sign the check over to him. He'd endorse it, put pay to the order of, you know, David Walker. The guy's name was actually David Walker.

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David, he's dead now. David Walker. Dave would then pay him $750. Dave would then write on the front of the check, because you know how the line is on a check? So here's the line. He wouldn't write from the beginning $750. He'd write here $750. Then in front of it, he'd write $2,000. And he'd put a $2,000. So it's $2,750. He would take that check and he would deposit it.

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From his business account to his personal account. And the money was $2,750. Right. And then he would take the loss where he'd say, at the end of the year, he'd 1099 you. Let's say over the course of the year, he might have paid you $3,000. But at the end of the year, you end up getting a 1099 for $10,100. Right. Because he's added $7,000 or $8,000 onto your check. And you don't give a shit.

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You get a 1099. You don't care. He might even mail it to a completely different address. You might not even live there anymore. Or even if you got it, what does it matter? You're looking at it. You're like, what's this? Oh, there's a 1099. You throw it away.

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Right. What are you going to do? Even if you said, hey, you never paid me that much. You said, oh, okay. Well, are you filing taxes? Yeah. Well, what do you give a shit? Call the police. Who are you going to call? Nobody. Evil genius. So at the end of the year, he would break even or look like he was losing money year after year. And that's what triggered the audit.

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But now I can't even prove to you anything because all my records are gone.

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Yeah. He, by the way, he was in my case and never got, well, he actually got listed on the indictment, but was never actually, they never indict. They never arrested him. How did he die? You know, here's what's funny. I always liked Dave, by the way. I always loved Dave. Dave was great. Dave was funny because I'm 5'6". Dave was 6'6". So you can see the two of us walking around together.

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Right, right. And I don't know how he died. I do know he was extremely overweight while we were out. I did hear that he lost a ton of weight. Literally, when I got to the halfway house... In January of 2019, and I got a phone, I immediately tried to look him up, and I found out he had died about two weeks earlier. Oh, wow.

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Now, a mutual friend of ours, her name is Susan, I talked to her, and she was like, yeah, she goes, you know, he lost a lot of weight. She said, but, you know, he was never really healthy. He was never in good shape. He always had some problems. And a few years ago, he lost a bunch of weight. And she said, I know he had a girlfriend.

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She said, but I'm just assuming he got sick and died from something. I don't know. He was probably in his late 60s. But like I said, never in good shape, never in great shape. So I don't know how he felt. I was always sad about that because I always wanted to hook up. Very funny guy.

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yeah yeah so who knows what's going on behind the scenes right right yeah so that's and that's a crazy story that's wild that guy is evil genius for sure good old dave so yeah so i the the whole burning the house down or getting rid of the evidence or you know i i get i always think about electronic devices and electronics and stuff like these days um but you know

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one acre you can build two residences well these people don't even have a full half an acre so if you've got half an acre you can build one well they don't even have a half an acre they've got a quarter of an acre so you don't have enough square footage to even build one house now and even if let's say you have the half an acre

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who knows and who knows if those electronics even go to if Diddy's even got anything ever had anything in his name or if these people have things in their name like who knows you know but I will say that these people do have smart people around them like you said they do have fixers um

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Well, I was going to say, what about look, you already know it exists because look at look at these private investigators that were going around talking to that worked for the attorney that works for Diddy. Right.

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They work for the attorney and they're going to have a conversation with the witnesses and the witnesses are calling up saying, yeah, I'm they're coming around intimidating me like they're right. And the government and the judge said, you're this is witness tampering like you can't. What are you doing?

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then they have water runoff restrictions so you say okay well you have a 50 50 water runoff which means on your footprint you can't build more than 50 on 50 percent of that non-porous uh material so your your the footprint of your house let's say is half of that or a quarter of that, plus your driveway, all your walkways. Do you see what I'm saying?

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The phone, right? The person that pulled out their camera phone, right? They were videoing the people.

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Listen, I'd like to say that for the right amount of money, I'm willing to take my Diddy videos down. They're all going away, right? They're all going. I may. Listen, you know what? He may have been framed. For the right amount of money, I'm doing some frame videos. What's the number? What's the number? What's your price? I'd have to talk to Colby about it. He's my editor.

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He'd have to let me know. Well, I don't know. You got to get a piece. Yeah. Is it 25 grand? Is it 100? I don't know. We don't know.

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Listen, for a hundred grand, I'm willing to be a damn advocate for them. You know what?

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What about that interview with Mark Zuckerberg? Yeah, he's saying was that what? Yeah. Yeah. Flip. I mean, yeah did you see the interview i did joe was like we're supposed to believe you're one of the good guys now huh he's like yeah yeah i was all manipulated like i've been with you the whole time it's been us all the whole time i didn't want to do it right yeah yeah

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Very quickly, you're limited to, you end up saying, okay, so I can basically build a 1,000 square foot house. And it's not going to be worth it. Right. I'll build up. Great. I can build up two stories, maybe three. But after three, you need an elevator. Suddenly you have to have fire alarm or fire extinguishers. Do you see what I'm saying? It very, very quickly becomes... it's not worth it.

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Hey, you guys, I appreciate you watching. Listen, we're going to leave all of Maverick's links to his social media and his YouTube channel so that you can watch more videos like this. So click on the link, go there, subscribe, follow him on Instagram and all the other social media links that he's got. All of that will be in the description box.

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So if you could go to the clips channel, the clips channel is really struggling. It's struggling, but we have clips like 20 minutes here, 22 minutes. We take a lot of the stories and turn them into much smaller, easier to consume videos. So go to the clips channel and we have a shorts channel, which is actually kicking ass. So we'll put those links in.

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Like this isn't worth it anymore. I have a property that is useless. I have a producer friend of mine who, lives in that area. One, he has a house that he invested in. He said that was burnt down. He has several friends that have lost their homes and he has a one friend they're staying with him. He said they lost a $10 million piece of property that is only insured.

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They could only get it insured up to 3 million. So I have a $10 million piece of property. I've been paying insurance on it and they'll only pay me 3 million. I can't re I can't afford to rebuild it. Wow. So, yeah, that's the kind of thing that's happening.

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It's the J. Paul Getty Museum. J. Paul Getty. Did you see that, the show they had on that was a documentary about where the grandson had been, one time I think he'd set himself up to be kidnapped. Oh, so maybe he didn't believe him. Listen, either way, he didn't want to pay. Exactly. That's my point. I think he did pay the first time.

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And then the people that had worked out the first time decided to do it again. And only the second time they did it for real. And when he wouldn't pay, that's when it went bad.

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Maybe, but that wouldn't be the FBI. That'd be Homeland Security. They're the ones investigating. Because that was my first thought, too, when you said that. I thought maybe they're going to him to say, listen, has she ever. First of all, there's obviously a problem between the two of them right now. Right.

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So now's the time to go and say, Hey buddy, if you know something, exactly out so we can put pressure on her. And now of course, you know, if you're getting a divorce or things are, you know, now's the time to kind of say, look, when we, you know, she's told me this, you know, and then he goes, Hey, look, we know this, you got to come clean.

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And then she comes clean and helps the investigation as opposed to trying to shut the investigation down, which apparently is what she's trying to do. But that would be, cause I was, that was my first thought. But then I realized that like Homeland security is the one that's investigating the Diddy, Diddy's situation. So FBI is not,

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Right.

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I definitely see it in Russia. But I mean, in North Korea, I mean, those it, you know, you're not accessing the it must be very difficult to access the Internet if that's possible at all. So, I mean, these are guys that are that, you know, it's it's been proven that they're working for the North Koreans just to generate money for the regime. Right. So.

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Which to me, you know, I, well, you know, it's funny too, because unfortunately the whole time I'm watching the program on, on the Lazarus group. And so for like, well, can you basically give like a minute or two explanation of what happened, uh, with that?

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We're talking about billions.

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How does that person get that access? For instance, I was watching one program that was talking about North, this is once again, this was all kind of North, North Korea. Sure. But it was that apparently there's like an entire, you know, section or division in North Korea for, for hackers or S you know, sometimes it's espionage based also where they'll have some guy who,

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A North Korean who's highly talented, get a job working, you know, programming or doing whatever. And he'll work there for six months or a year, however long it is, and become a valued employee. And the, you know, the bank, some bank or financial institution or whatever it may be. is in the UK or whatever, somewhere in Europe, or maybe it's in the United States. And they love this employee.

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They think he's great. They don't realize he's in North Korea. They think maybe he's who knows where they think he is, you know, Malaysia, you know, wherever. And, and so they work with him and they think he's great. And then eventually he gets to a point where he's gained access to their system and And that's really his goal. And he's getting a paycheck.

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Like if he makes 150 or 200,000 a year, like that money goes into the North Korean coffers and he gets his $15,000 a year, which is still good money. Yeah. And he's allowed to, of course, work this job and then garner information or maybe put himself in a position where he can steal money or give someone access. So that's why I thought when you meant an access broker, someone who's in the system.

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Is that how the Lazarus Group got access to that? Basically, it was like $300 million worth of Bitcoin, the one of the cases that I had seen. And they moved it. Overnight, within a week, there was something like the Chinese holiday or something. And they had five or six days that they were able to do this.

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And even when it was detected, they couldn't get a hold of anybody because all the banks were... It was a holiday. Yeah.

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Well, they did switch portions of it. They could only switch so much. And they knew they were being tracked. The problem is they had to go through an exchange. In order to launder it, they had to go through an exchange, which this is what killed me is that

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It's like, okay, you have to go through an exchange to convert this to actual cash and get it into... And they're trying to make it, obviously, completely anonymous, but it's being tracked thus far. It was being tracked. And eventually, they ended up moving 80% of it to an exchange that was extremely credible.

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When I watched this, they were like, we have no idea why they thought that this exchange would do this for them. Does that make sense? Like they were like, typically they'll go to a questionable exchange that doesn't ask a lot of questions. And they were like, so we are fear, but you can only move so much through that.

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And they said, for some reason they moved it here and we just contacted them and they froze the amount, the money. And they were like, so they got lucky and they, they did it getting 40 million. What, what I didn't understand was, you know, it was all, I don't know. It's North Korea. I, I, I kept thinking like, why wouldn't you have already gone somewhere in Europe?

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And you could steal identities, get passports, go to Europe, establish accounts that would allow you to move that money very quickly. And it would have become anonymous. You can wire it into whatever, 40 or 50 or 100 different banks and then wire it again. And you only need a fake identity to do that or steal someone's real identity.

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10 people's real identities, multiple corporations, multiple bank accounts, Now, it may take some time, but at least the people that were tracking the Bitcoin would have been lost at that point. At that point, they would have been like, okay, this was just converted to cash and placed in several Romanian banks. And now it's been... And people are cashing it out.

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People are moving it to different corporate accounts. People are moving it throughout Europe. Now we've got a problem. But for some reason, we just...

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They still made 40, like a 40 million failure. Like, I'm ready to like, let me fail. Like, that's a hell of a failure. You know, that's amazing. But you're right. I always, you know, I'll interview these guys that, you know, have been in prison and, you know, running scams. And it's always something like you did well. You got the fake IDs. You got the credit cards. You got the passports.

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You set up the corporations. You opened the bank accounts. You had people in between you and them. Nobody knew your location. You had all these drop phones. You had all of this. You did this. All of these things. And then you went to a... You went and rented a room using a stolen credit card.

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You have half a million dollars in the bank account, a couple hundred thousand in cash, and you're in the middle of running a multimillion-dollar scam, and you used a stolen credit card for a $1,000 hotel room bill. Why? Yeah, 100%.

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I use that all the time. I always say, listen, I'm not one of these guys that's going to be driving around with a stolen car and a broken taillight and a body in the trunk. That's not me. I'm crossing all my T's, dotting all my I's. But I'm pretty patient.

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know i think everything is kind of like that though look at like steve jobs is like you know this amazing visionary horrible interpersonal relationships. You know what I'm saying? Exactly. It's like same thing. You know, you look at someone like, you know, CEOs or presidents, you know, just complete narcissists that make their way all the way up the chain.

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But the fact is that, well, if he wasn't a narcissist, if he wasn't a narcissist, he would have never made it up the chain. And what makes some CEOs amazing CEOs or entrepreneurs are the same things that make them detrimental to be around. Very much so. It's the same thing with committing any type of crime. Or in the criminal world, these guys, you're taking all these painstaking risks.

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Um, it's not luck. Yeah, I was just, when you were mentioning, like, I know I saw this one about this Russian hacking group that had stolen, I forget how much cryptocurrency they'd stolen. I mean, it was outrageous. And they're, you know, because they're in Russia, They're on social media. They're driving these Audi – I forget what the Audi A – is it? R8. R8 sports car doing donuts.

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They're driving Ferraris. They're just – they're talking. They're holding up stacks of money. They're, yeah, look at us. Look at us. And it's just like – wow, you better never leave Russia. They end up going somewhere where they think, eh, we're going to pop into this country right here. Nobody's paying attention. No. Countries are patient.

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They throw an indictment and a red notice out there and just wait.

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That's what I was just thinking. They have an inexhaustible budget, manpower, and time. Yes.

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Was it the Sands Casino? Which casino was it? And that was in Vegas. And that was, wasn't that a Russian based? Was it Russian based?

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Oh, that's right. I was going to say MGM was, that's the one I thought was Russian because that was recent.

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Correct. But they first hit another casino in Vegas a week or so beforehand, and they paid. Yeah. And that's what I heard.

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If I want to get to Matthew, I'm going to go get his world war two Pacific war.

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I should get into that too, right? Didn't we mention that? Yeah, you should. But I don't know the cyber part of it enough.

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I was going to say whenever I'll talk with people about, you know, about fraud and I do these, you know, these talks, you know, you you tend to get the same questions over and over again. You know, and one of those questions is always like, well, how can we stop this from happening? And, you know, and the problem is they always think that I'm going to be able to say, oh, well, you have to do this.

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First, I'll be like, well, is this is this. Are you able to stop this? Yeah, absolutely. You can stop it. It can be stopped. You know, fraud can be stopped. Here's the problem. You now make it, but to do that, you have to make it so difficult. You've eliminated the, normal people from obtaining loans. So it's like there's that balance.

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How do you still make the system manageable and usable and friendly enough to allow people to apply for loans and get loans and also eliminate as much fraud. It's a balancing. You can eliminate it.

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If you want to go and make every phone call and check and order all those documents, if you want to dump $1,500, if you want to change underwriting from being a $250 expense and turn it into a $2,000 expense or $3,000 expense, you can do that. But when they start doing numbers, it's like, okay, well, now it's not worth it's not worth doing the loan.

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We lose more money on allowing the fraud to go through.

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I was going to say, even if I was going to say, even now, like, I mean, and I don't really have any knowledge on how things work, but I mean, I get stuff all the time from, you know, let's say, you know, Capital One Bank and I, or Capital One Credit Card. Like I have a couple Capital One Credit Cards. So I get them, you know, they send it to me and I never click on it.

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I watched, I was watching a, some series the other day where they were, it was for pain management and there was a company and the company, they were like, you know, you know what a speaker program is. It's yeah. Yeah.

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So they were running a speaker program where they, you know, they can't pay the doctors to prescribe medication, but if you prescribe for this much medication, we'll put you on our speaker program and you'll get it. You'll get, whatever, $4,500. And you come and give a speech at this little convention and you make this much, whatever. So they're paying them, you know, it's a, it's a workaround.

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So they were talking about the speaker program. And then they were talking about going off brand, like saying, we're going to start pushing these. We're going to start pushing these doctors to prescribe this, not for cancer, which it was designed for cancer. And we've been pushing cancer for, Now we're going to tell them they can also prescribe it for other types of pain.

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And they were like, listen, that's going to come back on us. And they sat there in their actuaries in the boardroom doing the numbers. And he's like, okay, well, we're looking at a profit of a billion dollars and a fine at maximum. At the max, the fine's half a billion. We just made a half a billion. Yeah, that's right. Worst scenario is we make half a billion.

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Best case is if they catch us at all, they they it's a 200 million dollar fine and we made a hundred million dollars. Like, you know, I mean, it just it was like, wow, it's totally worth it to to do that. And in so many cases, it is.

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You know, I never click on it. I think, well, I'll go to the app that's on my phone.

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You know, it's funny you saying that. I specifically was talking to my buddy, Pete, because the guy that I told you was like, oh, you got to check out this. You got to ask him this. Ask him about this. And I was thinking to myself, I wonder why they don't buy up the stock and short sell it and create these situations.

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If they can't move the crypto or they can't move the Bitcoin, then why not go ahead and buy up as much of the company and take short positions? And actually, we talked about that. And he was like, you should mention that. Yeah, that's... that is insane. It's funny.

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you know what i'm saying or i'll like i'm not going to click on this thing because i don't know who this is i don't know it looks all right or anything that i question i always go to the you know i always end up going to the you know to who sent it to me was it capital one was it the bank was it this was it you know and then suddenly it's a bunch of numbers and letters it's like okay this is just some generated thing and it's like it you know and i always tend to get

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There was something else when you were talking, I was going to, I wanted to, um, mention there was this, I want to say it was called like solar sail or something. It was, uh, like they were solar winds, solar winds. And it's what they're the, the big, the big, uh, um, solar, uh, generators, uh,

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I think I was thinking about two different things. I know that in China, I know there was also an American company that was doing, uh, the windmills, you know, the, or the, um, yeah. And, and they actually, and this was an intellectual property theft from China where they had stolen a bunch of the, um, the software. But anyway, you were saying for, uh, the,

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Wasn't that a Russian company?

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Yeah. And so what are they taking from those organizations? Yeah. Is this just.

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created pioneered came up with when you were doing what you were doing it's just done at a scale and a speed and a cadence and a frequency that's been that's unprecedented that's the difference um yeah i was gonna say uh uh when you were talking more about the um you know the the organizations that are backed by nations it's like it's like a you know, it's like a cyber war, right?

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I tend to have a great spidey sense. I'm super big on intuition. I mean, I'm a big believer in intuition. So-

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Like, you know, like we're spying on them, they're spying on us. But in the end, I always wonder, like, let's say you've got North Korea or you've got China or you've got, you know, Russia and, and the, you know, the justice department will come out with these. I see. And I, I remember watching something. This was like, this was actually, I think when I was like in prison, it was like 10 years ago.

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And, and, And they had indicted a bunch of people in North Korea or China. I forget which one. And they actually had tracked them back... To the, where they, they knew where they worked. They knew the name of the department. They knew who was working in that department. They said, because we can watch them go all the way. We know when they show up within 20 minutes, there's a spike in activity.

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Like we know when this guy works, like there's a whole thing. And they had indicted multiple nationals. And, but in the end, like, how do you prosecute those guys? How do you, you're never going to get your hands on them every once in a while. Now I know that I was locked up with a bunch of, of a bunch of, uh, you know, they weren't hackers, right.

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Cause I've really only been locked up with one or two guys that were ever charged with actually charged with like hacking. So, but I was charged with guys that were running, um, you know, uh,

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like dark web um forums credit card forum i always say credit card forms but they do other stuff they sell counterfeit credit cards they sell dumps of information you know a dump is they sell dumps they sell um foals they sell and then sometimes they they have these tutorials on just how to run paypal scams just a very different scams that they got a 45 minute video on

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how to scam PayPal out of X amount of dollars or different scams you can run. So it's, I would say credit card, you know, forums, but they do other stuff. So sure.

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One is, is that I was locked up with a bunch of these guys and, you know, everybody would call them hackers, but they weren't hackers, but you know, and, and, uh, several of these guys were, were Russian or you, or from Ukraine and they got, got some of them and one or two of them were actually Russian and they only ended up getting this one guy. Because Russia wouldn't hand him over.

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He just happened to decide to go on vacation just outside of Russia. I don't know what he was thinking. Like, I'm 150 miles away from the border or something. I don't know what you're thinking. He went into Russia and they notified the FBI that he had entered... I forget what country it was. I'm going to say it was Moldova. I forget. Anyways, one of these little...

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uh, countries, uh, probably one of these, you know, the one of the Baltic or, uh, the Eastern European block countries that used to be. And he happened to go there on, on a vacation, like a skiing vacation or something. I forget what it was. And sure enough, he wasn't there more than like three days and the FBI flies in and they arrest them and they're got throw them on a plane.

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And, you know, they see, you know, he's landing in New York and he's screaming the whole time you're kidnapping me. And, uh, anyway, he, and he ended up, it's so funny too, because he ended up getting, uh, I still want to say he barely got any time. Like some of these guys, they're giving out outrageous time, 15 years, 20 years. This guy got like, I don't know if it was five or six or seven years.

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For the amount of money he had stolen, it was not that much time. And I always noticed that a lot of the international criminals tend to get less time than the US would give one of their own citizens. It's not always the case. There's always an exception.

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Even if you get an indictment, how do you get the guy like China's not handing over? Russia's not handing over a national.

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You don't have to sell me. You don't have to sell me. No. yeah yeah um oh yeah listen like i i you know one of the reasons like my dollar amount isn't that high is because i was cautious you know right i like like to me if i was thinking okay so you're telling me that right now i nobody can nobody's gonna like as long as i don't leave florida

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You're telling me you will allow me to run a scam in Georgia, but you will not extradite me to Georgia. And I just have to never go to Georgia again. I'm good. I'm good. I'll go sit in the Starbucks. Because my crime now, just because of technology, think about it. I used to have to make my own W-2s and pay stubs. Now, you can just go to paystubs.com. They'll make your W-2s and pay stubs.

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I mean, obviously from just growing up, I think I've always been someone who's kind of thought, how does that work? How would... If I didn't want to do it that way, how could I do it this? Like I've always been very, you know, I was a bit in very, I want to say smart. I always think of it as just being clever. You know, I've always been super clever. And yeah, I'm very, I have a degree.

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They'll calculate everything so it's perfect per state, like the whole thing. I used to have to make my own bank statements. I used to have to make my own – I would design my own bank websites. I would make my own – I had to figure out how to get the – the software to make my own appraisals. I had to go buy, I had to buy a house.

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Like now I could, and then you had to actually physically had to go get, I had to go get, go into the DMV, get them to issue me a driver's license in the name of someone who doesn't exist. Or maybe, maybe someone who does exist. Maybe it's a stolen identity. You know, I had to, so I then have to, I have to create this entire, this entire,

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you know, legend that isn't real to support my person to borrow money. And then I actually have to go into a close, physically go into downtown to public records. And then I also have to go to a closing. I have to go into banks and open bank. Now you can sit in a Starbucks. I can make my pay subs online. Through a website, you pay a few bucks, you make pay stubs and W-2s.

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You can open your corporation online. You can open up the bank accounts online. You can rent an Airbnb. You can have it appraised. They never have to see me. I can schedule a closing and I can close on my loans and property and loans all remotely. sitting at a Starbucks and then wire the money wherever you want to wire it.

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And the interesting thing about that is everybody involved in that transaction now doesn't have to know what's going on. They don't have to know a scam's going on because they're just doing what they do on a regular basis.

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Tons of closings are done remotely. Tons of bank accounts are opened online. Tons of all of these things. Appraisers show up. They never meet the owner. You rent Airbnbs. You never see the tenant. All of these things happen on a daily basis with no interaction.

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So if some guy sends you an email or you get a phone call or a text and they transfer the money, you get the money, then you're like, yeah, of course. Sure. I'll mail you the key or I'll put it under the mat or whatever. So, you know, my and if you said, hey, Matt, you could do that. It's just all that has to take place in Georgia.

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And if there is if you're ever indicted, don't worry, we will not allow them to extradite you from Florida. Like I'm I don't have to leave Florida. Right. You know, if I have to vacation in Florida the rest of my life, it's not going to kill me. And so that's what I'm saying, like North Koreans and stuff like that.

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I was going to say, they're very sophisticated. Very sophisticated.

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My degree is in fine arts, you know, so like I don't have a normal degree and it always, and I remember my teachers were always explaining that, look, you know, if an artist designed this, then an artist can figure out how to replicate it. Or how to improve on or how to do something along those lines.

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I'm not even real. I just, I joined, I subscribed. I think you subscribe for like a month for like a dollar and, and for this, this, uh, this website. And I dumped a 10 minute video of me. And then I, I, uh, dumped an article from wired that I downloaded called the art of the steel, just to see if it, what it would sound like.

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It had me – I just read the – literally, it's like 40 – I'm going to say it was 40 minutes of me reading a Wired article. And it's – listen, everybody that I sent it to, even my wife was here in the – walking through the kitchen when I was playing with it. And I said, I said, how does that sound? She goes, what do you mean? I went, how does that, you know, how's that sound?

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That's a, I just generated that. She's, you didn't just read that. I was like, and I was like, yeah, I played it. She was like, yeah. That is insane. If you listen to it, it's perfect. It pronounced one or two words incorrectly. And there's a feature you can click on to have it say it a couple of times. You're like, oh, that's the one I want. That's the correct pronunciation. It's amazing.

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So I had a guy on I was talking to the other day. We were talking about Facebook. Do you remember this scam, which is still, I'm sure, probably used? Someone builds a fake Facebook. a fake Facebook page, just, you know, they use your picture, the whole thing, you know, they take a bunch of your friends, they, they subscribe, you know, they, they follow whatever.

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So, you know, a cursory look at it looks like, oh, it's you. And then they contact you through messenger. You know, they would text you through messenger before and say, oh my gosh, Kareem, I'm in Budapest right now. This actually happened to my mother several times. They would say, I'm in Budapest right now. My wallet was stolen. I have no money. Can you please Western Union me $1,000?

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I'll be back in Florida next week. I'll pay you back. I am so sorry. I've lost my passport. I'm just in a desperate situation. My mom was almost going to pay. She was like, oh my gosh, I can't believe it. Carol is in Budapest. Oh, I can't believe this. I had no idea she was even going. She's ready to try. She's trying to figure out how to Western Union money to Budapest.

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But I definitely think going to prison and meeting all of the various different types of criminals and hearing all the different types of scams. And that definitely spiked my intuition at the very least because you very quickly – Question everything when someone approaches you. And I'm always very polite.

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And if she hadn't asked my sister, that woman would have got the money. Now, what would have happened if Carol actually called her? If there was any question before, if my buddy Zach called me on the phone right now and said, bro, man, I'm in a bad spot, bro. Can you cash at me 500 bucks, man? Here's what happened. This happened. This happened. I'm getting two tires replaced. I lost this.

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I'll give you the money right back. I'd be like, yeah, absolutely, bro. Sure.

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Yeah, I was going to say, I remember reading an article about a Russian that spoke good English. And there was a Russian hacking group or whatever, where they were calling up. They would call up and get increases on people's credit cards, or they would borrow money in their names. And then the company would say, well, can you call us? And so they paid him

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to call the company because he had a good enough American accent that he could get on the phone and explain, yes, I'm so-and-so. And they would give him the information. My social security number is this. My date of birth is this. Here's my address. And they would ask him a few questions. And he said sometimes they would ask questions like, I didn't know.

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And I'd say, I'm sorry, but I can't recall. Or he'd give him the wrong answer and be like, well, I had several roommates in college. I mean, not sure. I mean, I lived in a dorm and they go, okay, well, let me give you another one. And, you know, they would pull what, like a LexisNexis report and start asking questions. And eventually he'd be able to get a few of them right.

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I was raised by a strict Catholic woman who was – my mom was very – no matter what, you be polite. It doesn't matter. You tell someone no, no matter how you do it, you do it politely. And so I've always been very polite. But I can be very, very polite to you while internally thinking –

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And then boom, they just gave him a hundred thousand dollar, whatever. home equity line of credit on his, on his house. And they immediately transfer the money. And, you know, so you don't even need that guy now, especially with the North Koreans and, you know, that sort of thing. Like now they can, if they can get into an organization. Yes.

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And they can make a phone call from the, whatever the CEO or president or whoever in that person's voice, you know, once, once they get the lay of the land and know enough about the company, you know, Bob can call Jennifer in HR or, you know, in bookkeeping or whatever. I mean, who knows?

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something's not right that doesn't sound right you would never know i'm questioning you but yeah i'm not i don't jump into anything right away and and and my dad had there was just tons of things that he would mention to me just you know he worked for state farm uh insurance for gosh for like 50 years he grabbed i mean he he worked till he was 70 something was it 50 or 40 probably 40 years

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I think it just, it all, you know, and it, I'm not going to say it depends. Like if somebody called up and said, Oh, you know, we've got your, your wife and we need, you know, whatever, you know, $30,000. I'd be like, would you guys miscalculate, you know, but somebody else may say, of course, you know, uh, you know, it has to be reasonable. Um,

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so uh but yeah i i i definitely i hear you and uh yeah with the i was gonna say you can gosh you know you can and you can track people so many different ways like there's so many different things you can do um what i i was wondering about is you you wrote a book about like um uh about

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I thought it was like an ebook.

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Well, here's what I... Okay, here's what I was thinking because I know that there's like the... What is it? Fedcoin? Is that what... And I was thinking, if they moved, if the government moved... I mean, obviously, there's all the conspiracy theories. They can just say, hey, guess what? You've been buying too much gas lately. You can't do that anymore. You can only spend this much on this.

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Or, oh, you've been bad, so you can only spend so much on food. Or whatever it may be. If you don't get the next vaccine, we're not going to allow you to buy groceries anymore. Whatever. There's all these... the worst case scenarios. Well, what I was thinking is like, what does that do?

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And I only think, I'm only wondering this is because of the North Korean scam where they were tracking all the money and they got such a substantial amount back. Like for illicit types of organizations, drugs, for instance, even fraud, you know, you could track all everything from here on out.

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So even if it was a year and a half later and they said, Hey, we just found out this loan was a fraud and it was whatever it was, you know, identity theft or, Hey, this was a transaction that was made. And guess what? That was five kilos of cocaine. Like you can now track all that back.

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So does that, do you feel like that eliminates certain types of crimes and how does, how do criminals get around that?

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40, 45 years. But he was very big on questioning people, asking questions about things, making phone calls. He was like, nobody's ever going to not hire you because you called back two days later. And they said, oh, okay, we'll let you know. We'll give you a call within the week and calling back two days later.

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I was going to say, they'll come up with some kind of barter system or they'll trade in something else.

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It's like, they're not going to say, oh, you've called me twice and I told you I'd call you back. I'm not going to hire you. He's like, that's not going to happen. you know? So, um, but yeah, I, there's, there's those lots of things along those lines. And, but one of the things you, when you were talking about kind of like the, um, I don't know, I thought, I thought of corporate espionage.

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Yeah. I mean, you can, as much as, as much of a, like you just said, like as much of a mode as you can put around it, it's like, okay, that's great. And you centralize it. But the truth is, is all you got to do is get through once, you know, and that's the thing I always said about law enforcement was I was like, listen, I, I like, I can't make a mistake.

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Like the law enforcement only has to be right. They can make a thousand mistakes. They only got to be right once they get their hands on me. So, uh, yeah, that's, um, Yeah, that's frightening. Of course, you know, I also, my wife is, I was told in the comment section that I shouldn't say she's a conspiracy nut.

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She's very, listen, she'll get something in her head and for like a week, at least a week, I have to hear about it and watch shows on it. And one of them was about the grid going down. Yeah. And I mean, and it's, it's so bad that like I was in New York and I took a picture of the skyline and I sent it to her and it wasn't, it's beautiful. Wow. That's amazing.

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It was, God, I wouldn't want to be there if the grid goes down. That's what you're, where your mind went. But, um, oh, listen, no, we've got, I got dried beans. I got top ramen soup. We got a lot of water. We've got, we have a three foot. Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah.

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She's definitely, she definitely, she, she wants an acre way away from everybody because all we have to do is survive three months until everybody kills each other off and 80% of them will be gone. Then we only have to deal with the 20% and that'll be, that's, we can, we can survive that. And I'm just like, what are you doing? You're a crazy person, right? I don't know who you are.

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But so, yeah, I watched the grid going down and about how I guess it's China was trying to hack the grid and China and Russia to try and kind of I don't know what they were trying to get into. But their big concern is how vulnerable the electrical grid is in the United States.

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And that's semi-decentralized.

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You only have to take out so much. And then the whole thing with that, they were talking about Texas like a year or so, like a year ago. Right.

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I remember I read a book called, and it was a, it was a novel. It was called, um, paranoia. I don't know if you ever read, it was, it was great. It was about a About one company planting someone inside of another company to get into it. And the guy worked there for six months or a year and became like a he slowly got up to become a I don't know, some kind of vice president or something.

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ticket it was this old thick ticket that was a dot matrix and this was only like a couple years ago it was hard to read the whole thing and i was like i don't understand i'm flying like like a value jet and i got a nice clean easy to read ticket and this look at this thing yeah but yeah i didn't even think about that i just was like well why don't why won't they why don't they upgrade i was like what's but yeah i didn't realize that what you're they've been around forever they're still using this their whole system's based on this

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This technology that is difficult to upgrade.

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Yeah, I was saying that the turnaround time is outrageous. And then you're not ordering one or two of them at that point. You'd have to order. You're trying to get them to make hundreds, thousands of them.

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Yeah. The government's also very, you know, reactive. Yeah. You very much. So, you know, there's of some kind. Yeah. The only proactive thing that they do really is like the military, you know, we may need this type of a jet in the few, we have to stay ahead of the curve. And so they're always pushing to be ahead, but in S in almost every other way, it's crisis, crisis,

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Even though you know this is an issue, I know, but it's manageable right now, and I'm not going to get reelected if I start pushing for an agenda that nobody else thinks is an issue. Let's wait for there to be a crisis.

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But it was a it was a great book. And it was all to try and get, you know, corporate information.

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All right. All right. Well, let's yeah. Well, I mean, I'll, I don't think any of that helped. It is going to help my wife's issues.

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I had to buy this $150 water filtration thing. It's got a pump and it's the whole thing. I'm like, what are you doing? I keep telling her, you should try it out. We've got a pond. There's a pond over there. I'm telling you, go drink.

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go take care of it yeah and so it i bought her a you know almost as a as i don't want to say as a joke because it's not because it's not a joke but almost just to be you know haha i bought her this thick survival guide right love about halfway she's about halfway through it

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She's totally into it. She's watching this guy, Canadian Prepper. This guy, I don't know if you know who that is. This guy, every day, we've been on the brink because I have a buddy who watches him. I heard about him about two, three years ago. For two or three years, periodically, I'll catch a five-minute clip here or a minute clip here. It's always going under.

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For two or three years now, we are on the verge. It's over. Yeah. This guy, his whole thing is doom and gloom. I'm on the other side. I think it's going to be fine. They know what they're doing.

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Oh, I'm sure.

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And then necessity.

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Yeah, I was going to say, I probably rewrote my book like three times. But one of the things I finally did was I ordered a few books. But really, probably the best book I read was somebody actually just gave me this little book. I'll bet you it wasn't 100 pages. And it was written by a woman who had written three memoirs. And I read that memoir and it, or that book. And it was just great.

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Like, it was like, she was so just, you know, she didn't sugarcoat anything. And she explained all of these things that I thought was that really, I was like, wow. And she was like, look, even if you don't think there are certain things in your life, you know, in your childhood that helped shape the person that you are, find those things, you know, look for them, you know, cause they're there.

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You may not, they might, may not be, um, they may not be obvious to you, but if you look for them, they are there. And you need to find them and you need to include them in your book because the reader is going to want to point to certain situations in your past that helped shape a person that you are.

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And even though some of the other books I'd read had said similar types of things, they had never been that... clear and crisp. And this woman, I mean, talk about brevity, like what a short book, but just every word was important. And, and I, so I, when I, so I read that and when, after I read that, I rewrote my book and the difference between people reading my book,

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prior to that rewrite and after that rewrite was night and day. I mean, I had guys coming up to me with, I had guys telling me how amazing the book was with tears in their eyes, just like, bro, like what that, you know, that thing about your dad, like, and they're just in tears, their eyes welled up. And I was just like, wow, this is amazing.

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Like, so, you know, definitely, you know, the, the whole being able to point to things that help shape you. That was, that was, uh, that was huge. And the other thing is, I'm sorry, I was gonna say the other thing you mentioned too, which was crucial is that you're right. It's,

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She also explained how you felt, why you felt that way, how you felt afterward, what were the things that led up to making that decision or this decision. And one of the things you said was, and I always say this, is that every time I got away with something, I became more and more emboldened by it.

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And when you said the God thing, like I used to always, and I've said this on numerous podcasts where I said, there is no better feeling in the world than walking into a bank, handing them a fake ID, a bunch of fake W-2s, fake pay stubs, fake bank statements, you know, a fake ID saying, closing on a loan and having them hand you a check for $250,000 and thank you for ripping them off.

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I mean, you feel like James Bond. You walk out of there feeling like I have, everything's under control. I can handle everything. I'll never get caught. I'm just that good. And you walk out and you feel, it's a feeling that's just, it's better than any drug. It's amazing.

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It's like being an investigator. How cool is it for you to, I can imagine, you get on a conference call, you call up, you're talking to all these IT guys that are panicking. And if you're the guy that walks in and you say, okay, well, hold on. I just looked at it. Here's what's happening. Here's this, here's that you need to do this. And you just boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

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And everybody goes, wow. I never thought, oh my gosh. So what if I do the, and you just bam, bam, bam. And you're the guy that's got all the answers. When there's five other guys that are experts that have panicked or are just in complete panic mode. And you walk in and boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Here's what happens. Here's how we fix it. Here's this, here's this, fix this.

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Call me back in an hour. You get off that phone call, you must feel like,

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There's that same location. It's the parking ticket with Berkowitz, the son of Sam, the parking ticket. There's 500 police officers who have scoured every single lead for the last six months. And some guy said, let's check the parking tickets.

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Like if this guy, somebody got a parking ticket, the night of the murder that shouldn't have been there, that maybe live somewhere else, maybe got a parking ticket. I mean, how remote is that possibility? And sure enough, Berkowitz got a parking ticket. He doesn't live in this borough. Why is he in the borough? They, they check, they call, they call the precinct. They, Oh, I know that guy.

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He's a nut. They make a few phone calls. They watch him for a day or two. That's it. It's obvious. It's him. Look, look at all the, you know, he's been writing letters. Look, he lives on this street. He mentioned this, the name, that name of the street here, this, like he just names them off. And it's like, Holy shit. Like what a random, how did that guy feel? How'd that detective feel?

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not, not only that, I don't think these guys realize how much money there is in cybersecurity. I mean, it's ridiculous.

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The, I, I told, remember I told you there was like one guy I knew who had, um, uh, was actually in prison for, uh, for hacking and talk about the, the, when I remember we said, talk about somebody who has a touch of Asperger's syndrome, this guy, it was very difficult for him to even make eye contact. He, he, nicest guy. So we started talking and he was 19 when he got indicted.

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He ended up getting six years. He did five years in And he had been on heroin. He was stealing information. The crime that he ended up selling, the dumps, I forget how many, whatever it was, 100,000 or 30,000 credit card profiles that he had sold. He made 500 bucks on. He had to do five years for that. Had been arrested several times.

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So he had a criminal record, but it was all for drug possession. Yeah.

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sure so you know on the federal sentencing guidelines you know he was like a level four or five but they were all like possession or um or maybe sales but minor sales like these are these dudes were all probation he'd never been to prison so he ends up getting a chunk of time and had never had a driver's license so i remember he was about we were he was going to be out

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Do you know who Andrew Bustamante is? God, that name sounds so familiar. Um, uh, so he, he's a, he's a former, um, he is a former, uh, CIA, I want to say spy, you know, former CIA spy. And I interviewed him the other day. And he has, he's, one of the things he does is he meets with, he does, of course, he does security. He, well, he did do security, but he also does, and keep in mind, he was,

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in five months, probably less than six months. And he used to come and talk to me all the time because he said I was interesting to talk to. The bar's low in prison, so it's not me. But I was always working on writing guys' stories. I wrote a bunch of true crime stories. Just guys, eventually, you hear so many true crime stories every once in a while.

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I'd hear one, I'd be like, man, bro, I need to write. Do you mind if I, would you let me write a story about you? And it'd be nothing. It'd be 10,000 words or something. And I'd order there. It gave me something to do. I'd order the Freedom of Information Act on the guy. I'd order his transcript. All these things through the mail, by the way. So I'd order all these. It gave me time.

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My name gets called at mail call. I write letters. Really, I did that the last... seven years, maybe, uh, that I, I was, um, was there. So I remember this guy, no father, you know, um, and we were talking and I was like, well, what are you gonna do when you get out? He's like, oh, I don't know.

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And I was like, okay, well, uh, you're going to need, you know, and I, you started the bottom, you're gonna need ID. I know when I get the halfway house, I'll take care of that. What do you mean get the halfway house? You can do it now. They had something called – they called it the flow bus. I'm like, I'm getting my – I'm walking out here with a driver's license.

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Well, I figure I'll do it in the halfway house. I'm like, why would you do that? You have all the time in the world right now. So we do that. So we help him get his driver's license. And then he was like – I was like, what are you going to do for a living? He's like, oh, I don't know. I mean, I'm a felon now, so I don't think I can really do anything. And I was like, what do you like doing?

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He's like, well, I mean, I like – I like programming. I like hacking. I like this. I go, well, aren't there those guys? Aren't they called like penetration specialists or something? He's like, oh, I know. But he's like, I was locked up. I'm a felon. And he said, I can't do that. I said, listen, bro. I said, you're making the common mistake that most of these guys make.

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Every con man that was in there was actively trying to figure out how to cover up his scams. How do I cover up the news reports? How do I cover up my name? Can I change my name? Can I get reputation.com to bury my information? To me, you're working on your next felony. You're working on your next indictment by doing that.

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And I was the only one in there who was actively saying, oh, I'm telling everybody what I did. I'm going to make sure. And- I was going to say, so for him, I told him, I said, you need to look at this as your calling card. Yeah. I've been locked up at that point. 12 years or something. I was like, I've never met any hackers.

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You know, you can turn this into something, you know, we can get you a Wikipedia page. We can start naming all the things you can do. We can write your story. We can rewrite your story. We can. And I said, you need to figure out how to get licensing. Cause I think most of these guys get like certificates. And I said, he's like, yeah, but I'm a felon.

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I go, yeah, but these aren't, the government doesn't give you The government isn't the person who's giving you the license. So I said, these are just certificates by individual companies. So they're not going to care that you're a felon. And I said, so I said, you need to order that stuff now. So he actually ordered several books.

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And within a few months, he was like, listen, there's like – I forget what he had said. He was like, there's five major certificates you need. This one, this one, this one. By the time I got out of – and he was like, no company is going to hire me. I said, no, no.

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Most of these hacking companies and these penetration specialists and cybersecurity companies, most of them hire companies that do – are subcontractors. That company will probably hire you. This company will get certified to work for this company. This company gets the contracts. They don't even know that you work for them. And so we were talking.

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And by the time I got out and we spoke, by this point, I'd gotten out of the halfway house. He got out before me. He had four of like these five major certificates and he was going for the fifth one, which was huge. I mean, we're talking about days of being of, well, you know what they are, days of being tested. Then he had to go in front of a board that questioned him.

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Like, he had passed them all flying. Because he was brilliant. This is a guy who would sit down for 20 hours straight in front of the... And not eat. And do nothing but play on the computer and design things and whatever they call it. Anyway, this guy's making... he was making over $150,000 within two years of being out of prison because his bosses were like, you're, you're insane.

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Like you're like his bosses who had been doing it. Some of them 10, 15, 20 years were like, you're, you're just better than me. Sure.

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He went under for, you know, three months, six months, nine months, 18 months, you know, ended. And he's got, he does, he has a podcast called everyday spy, but he also does talks and he does workshops and, um, they're all kind of based on like. things that spies do every day. Like, how do you become an everyday spy? Like, it seems hokey, but it, it actually is.

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Well, I think it's like people saying, well, how could I get a driver's license in your name? Right. I don't know your social security number. I don't know your date of birth. I probably don't even know. I don't even think I know your full name if you end up assuming you have a middle name. How do you go about doing that?

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And, you know, even if I knew that information, how do I order those documents? The moment they say, oh, we need a copy of your driver's license. They're like, I don't have his driver's license. I can't get the doc. I can't get his, his birth certificate. I don't, I don't have his driver's license. It's like, stop. How could he get it? Well, he has his driver's license.

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What if his house burned down and he had nothing and he was naked standing outside of his house or he was in his underwear, standing outside of his house, watching everything he has burned. And if both of his parents were deceased and that, and everything's gone, how would he get it? Why not? Because he wouldn't. Really, he wouldn't get it.

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You think that there's no vehicle out there that allows him to get a copy of his driver's license from scratch. Well, I guess. And you go, listen. So to me, I always started thinking immediately, they only want a copy. So it only has to look like a driver's license. They don't know what he looks like. It doesn't have his picture on it. They don't know what he looks like.

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This is some woman sitting in the birth certificate office 15 states away. if she gets a cashier's check for $25, it says, I want a certified copy of this driver's license or his birth certificate. And it has all the questions filled out correctly. And it's got a copy of a driver's license. She's sending you the birth certificate, you know?

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So it was all these, you know, to me, it was always like, there's enough, there's a way, there's a way to get this. And I just had to figure out that way. And once you get one or two documents that, It's, you know, it's that you crack the door. I can kick that door wide open and now I have everything and all those documents are start being used to gather more documents.

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And before you know it, I'm you and I'm walking into your bank account and your bank, or I'm applying for a loan and your property, or I'm doing all these things that you people think aren't possible. It's, it's like, Everybody has certain skill sets. And I used to teach the real estate class in prison. I taught it for 10 years.

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So I taught it at a medium security prison for three years and seven years at the low security prison. And I used to walk in because these guys, you got a bunch of drug dealers in there and they have no education. Maybe they have a prison GED and they're sitting in there and they're trying to figure out, these guys are getting out soon and they don't know what to do.

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They're either, they've decided they're going back to prison or they're going to be a rapper or they're going to, you know, they don't know what to do. And then some of them are like, well, maybe I could, you know, maybe I could do real estate or something or fix up houses or something.

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And I would go in there and I would, one of the first thing I'd say is like, is, are there anybody here for, for drugs? And they'd raise their hand and I'd be like, whew, this is probably one of the few chances or few times in your life that being a drug dealer is going to be a major advantage to you. You have a hustler mentality. You're used to going into rough neighborhoods.

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He's, he's an interesting, interesting guy. You've seen, he was on Lex Friedman. He was on like, he's, he's, he's huge, right? He's, uh, Super interesting guy, but definitely somebody that maybe I was going to say, if you're talking about high net individuals, they would get a kick out of him. Like he's very articulate, obviously smart, really interesting guy.

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You don't mind knocking on a door and being turned down. Like right now, you guys are about to shine. And listen, I had guys walking out of that class stopping me at the door and shaking my hand. Like, bro, that was amazing. That was an amazing class. And I would have guys come to me and I'd be in the chow hall or something. And some guy would walk up. He'd go, hey, bro.

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my celly is taking your class. And I'm like, okay. He's like, I'm going to sign up next quarter. And I go, oh, okay. How come he go, listen, this dude just came in the other day and he said, I'm taking Matt Cox's real estate course. He goes, I'm going to be a millionaire, bro. Telling you right now, he said, all I got to do.

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And he's like, he's like, I never seen this dude so excited about anything my whole life. He's ordering real estate books from the street. Like he's like, Just from – because it's true. And I used to say, do you think that a 40-year-old divorcee white woman is going to go into a neighborhood that you'll go into? She doesn't have that hustler mentality. She wants to sit behind a desk.

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She wants to talk to other women like her. You guys can go get those deals. You guys can – you just have to know how to – how to talk correctly. You need to know how a closing takes place, how negotiations take place, how to write a contract, what a closing means, what documents need to be signed. We go through all that. I think that most people, they don't play to their strengths.

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A lot of times, they think their strengths are weaknesses. That's another problem.

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But I was going to say, you know who Victor Lusting is?

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He's a scam, scam artist. He's like, he is the guy that I'm sure you've heard this. He sold the Eiffel tower for scrap twice. That's awesome. And he had, he had a set of rules. That he lived by. It was like, how do you con someone? Right. And one of the ways, a lot of people don't realize this, is that initially what he did was he rode or sailed cruise lines. Interesting.

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Yeah. First of all, I've been told in the comment section to thank my guests. Listen, my comment section is nothing but just telling me how I should be doing things and things that I'm doing badly, which is fine. It's constructive criticism. So thank you very much for taking the time to or spending this time with me. My pleasure. Hey, I appreciate you guys watching the interview.

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This is back prior to World War I. which is in the early teens, you know, 19 in a teen. So he, and he did this for years back and forth, back and forth. And, you know, one of the things they asked, you know, he was asked later on in life was like, how did you, and he would scam people out of money. He had a very, he had a very common, story that he told people and they always wanted to invest.

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And by the time he got off the boat, he had multiple people that wanted to invest in his place. He was in, it was, you know, there weren't movies. So he was in production to make plays. He had very successful plays. He's on this cruise that's super expensive to be on. He meets these, he's now stuck with these high net individuals, like you said, and he tells them he's,

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In a world that they think is very sexy, they've all been to plays. They're all doing the calculations on how much money these things make. And so he would, on the cruise, he would go to Europe and back, Europe. And every time he would get two, three people. It got so bad, he had to keep switching cruise lines because they were allowed to look for him.

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But once again, you don't have a photo of him. This is back in, like I said, the early teens. And he had a very basic set of rules. And they were like, you should look them up. They're great. And they're so simple. It's like, first of all, don't talk a lot. Yeah. introduce a subject like religion. Whatever your mark says their religion is, you be that religion.

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No matter what they said, you'd never be disagreeable. You always agree. You always wait for them to... to hint at their political beliefs and you agree and you support those political beliefs. I mean, he had a whole series of little, and there was nothing, there were nothing, but it was just being, really being agreeable.

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I had watched a few videos with the Lazarus group. And I guess that the amount of the Bitcoin that they'd stolen and they couldn't quite track them. Well, they can track the Bitcoin, but because they can only launder it through these exchanges, they ended up recovering something like... forget what it was, 260 million or something out of 300 million.

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And it was like, wow, they got that money back. Well, they still ended up with like 40 something or close to $40 million. And I was like, that's a nice lick. So I was thinking, I mean, if your fallback position is 40 million, wow. Not that those guys saw any of that. I mean, it's all you know, from my understanding, well, it's, it's all states, you know, sponsored.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But that's not the scam. That's not what he said.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That's not the question. We already know this is a scam. It's called the Nigerian Prince scam. Right, but— We're saying the different—I'm explaining because you didn't do a good job. You're right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like Beth Boziak, she's in what age range? From 45 to 20?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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phone numbers that you've listed, known associates, school, telephone numbers. Anybody can sign up with an account for LexisNexis right now, right?

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Honestly, I know you guys think this is such a great scam, but I honestly would like to see the statistics on how many times this actually— I don't think it's a good scam at all.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Where all your relatives live.

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Car color. You go up to the cashier. Also you have to have.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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We're just tweaking it. Listen, it's what's called the Nigerian Prince scam.

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Yeah, really. He does what? Really? You do what? You go and you shop. Of course.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, I understand the Nigerian Prince scam. It's been around for a long time.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. So what I'm saying... Which is amazing how I fell for it. What I'm saying... And you didn't fall for it. You kind of fell for it. You were taken in a little bit, but you didn't fall... If you'd fallen for it, you would have paid. Yeah. So here's what I'm saying is that... The difference is I'm saying the scam in general, I don't like it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, this whole scam you guys are talking about just moved online because all of these websites started offering instant credit. Like Best Buy started doing it. Target started doing it. The Walmart started doing it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, everybody started doing it. A thousand bucks. You apply for anything, they ask you like, you know, Like what college did you go to? And they give you like four different ones and you're like, oh, boom. And they're like, what color car did you have during this period of time? Oh, it was red. Then they ask you all these different, like what mortgage companies have you ever had a mortgage with?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But if you were going to do it, if they tweaked it a little bit, it's easier to tweak it by saying... Because it was a law firm that...

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Remember the ones that went around your neck and you could just take the Buds off and put them in your ear and put them back? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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He better not go to sleep at any time. Where did he go? Can you think of a scam that would work?

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Oh, yeah, I remember the Blackberries.

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That contacted him you can make it look like anything right you the problem is the letter did not look like a letter from a law firm The the guy that answered the phone was did not sound like an attorney The amount of money that they off that they uh, so you're saying if somebody had this operation down to a t would work Yeah, I think I think if it was less money Because they were trying to get me for for ten thousand dollars and he's saying if it would have been like 450 dollars

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It's like you just go online now. Oh, my God. I was vending online. I think he's right. Almost all my IDs. You can do that now.

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I've got this and that. If you go to three different websites and you pay $400 for the same ID from four different websites, you're going to get four pieces of garbage. I think one of them's probably good. One of them's, well, obviously you can go on, you can look at the reviews. Are these decent? Are they, you know, so you're probably going to get one.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Let's assume you pay $400 to three different people as $1,200 and you only get one decent ID. For $1,200, that's worth it. You know what I'm saying?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, but I mean, you have to figure out where you're going. It's different what... what you guys would do, you know, you guys are banking on getting someone's information that has good credit.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. All your guys' operations were annual.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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All three of you guys, all of your operations were analog. Mine were all digital. I never had to interact with anybody ever. I never had to convince anybody of anything. I never had to talk to anybody about anything. Nothing. I never had to rely on somebody being in a store or giving me information. That's just what separates.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I think the crimes that I did between you guys, because you guys are more like, I know a chick that works here that she can get a sense of information. I just never went that route ever.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So when I do, I do these, he was surveying people on the street, these home title lock, right? Commercials. And I do interviews for home title lock and stuff where I get interviewed. And that's one of the things I always mention is that I'm like, when in, in my day, I physically had to go to the bank. I physically had to go into public records. I physically had to go to the title company.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I physically had to meet, you know, these guys that I'm serving, like, and, and now it's like, you could take your laptop and, and you can go sit in a Starbucks and you can sit here, I can go online and search public records and download the deed to your house. I can open up bank accounts in the name of a fake ID. I can apply for loans online.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I can schedule loans and in all but 13 states, you don't even have to go to the closing anymore. You can go to, they're called remote notary closings. So they send you all the documents. You then sign all the documents. They then have somebody come on who's a remote notary. Let me see your ID. Let me see your face that you do that whole thing. And then they notarize all the documents.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They then wire the money to the bank accounts that you have that you now have access to online. Right. Everything that I used to do in person is now able to be all of it.

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And now if they request any documents, I can make them and send them. You want my driver's license? Here you go. You want my birth certificate? Here you go. You want my high school diploma?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Trying to convince somebody that they have an inheritance coming, but you need to give me money first before you get the inheritance? I just think that's... I don't think that's even... I think you don't understand.

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Here you go. You want my mortgage? Here you go. And by the way, the only thing that would stop this type of crime is home title lock. Home Title Lock monitors your property records, alerts you of any changes, and if you are a victim, they jump in with their team of restoration experts to resolve the issue.

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You can get a 30-day free trial of their triple lock protection and a complimentary title history report by going to hometitlelock.com and using promo code MATT30 or click on the link in the description box.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I could never even approach anybody like that. Yeah, but I'm super.

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Yeah, I'm puking in my mouth. I'm way into the lobby.

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Yeah.

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You know what the problem most people look at that is that they think, oh, you give him the $100 and he never calls. But what does it matter? If you give out that to five different guys and one guy calls and you make $100,000, then some people will be like, oh, you lost $400. I didn't lose $400. I knew I was going to lose $400. It's the cost of investment.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Most people are nickel and diamond, though.

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I had that happen to me one time in South Beach, but the dude wanted me to jerk off on camera. Well, I didn't know until I gave him a call later. He did the same thing with me though. Same thing as he wanted to make 150 bucks.

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No, he just seemed like a normal dude. And then I called him a week later. He wanted me to come over and jerk off on camera. He's like, fuck.

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This is like 2003, 2004. Good lord. So after you spent the money, what happened? I was going to say, do you still have a copy of the tape?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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There was a girl coming up here saying she was going to give out free blowjobs and a cup of coffee if you just gave her, what was it, some toilet paper. And they go, oh, my God, that's ridiculous. I know, I know. I think she went down there over by Johnson's and he holds up a cup of coffee.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So you're trying to convince someone to commit fraud. That makes it even worse. That makes it even worse.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, that is so funny.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know what's so funny is that whenever people – so like one of my scams that I had done that – it's funny because you still have – well, we were talking about this. You don't really have to see the person. Now, like if you could convert that scam to today – For example, you don't even have to see anybody now. That's the beauty of it. You guys were like, you need good credit.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You need to get a dump that somebody has good credit. You can make the credit card. You can do all these things. You still need somebody with good credit, but when I was doing it, And there were times I used people with good credit or I created people with good credit. But the easiest version was if you can eliminate somebody with good credit and just get like, you know, like a homeless person.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You're so right.

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The way you do, the way I would do that is, is because if you have an asset. then people want to lend to you. Not, hey, I want you to give me a credit card for $20,000. I could go and, you know, I used to have to, I would go rent the house. I would go meet the people and everything.

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But now, because of like Airbnb and everything, like now you can, you could go survey a homeless person, get his information, order an ID in his name from some Russian website, get the ID.

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Now, granted, the homeless person has seen you, okay, admittedly, but the chances that they're going to track down a homeless guy three states away, like if you go to Oklahoma and get five guys, and then you go to South Carolina, and then all you have to do is you've got the ID, you order an ID. If you order 10 IDs, what does it matter? If I spend $4,000 and I just get one ID,

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That's passable that I can go into the bank or even go online. Cause this guy's going to have an ID. You know, you can survey somebody and say, Hey, uh, yeah, yeah. I just need to get your ID. Oh, I don't have an ID. Sorry. I can't use you. You just wait. You talk to 20 guys. You're going to get some guys that have IDs. You pay them 20 bucks.

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You fill out the survey and you get all their information. And then you get somebody online to make that, that, uh, ID only with your picture on it. Cause I got all this information. So I open up, you open up a bank accounts online, uh, And now you've got a bunch of several bank accounts online that are open. And then you just apply. I'm sorry. You then rent an Airbnb for two weeks.

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And then you rent the Airbnb, you call up several hard money lenders, like three hard money lenders to meet you at the Airbnb. You know what a hard money lender is?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Okay. So like a hard money lender is like a lender, but he's not licensed because he's only lending his own money. It's perfectly legal. It's like you've got a house for $400,000, they'll lend you $300,000. Is it like the title loan?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, how do they put a lien on your property if they're just a hard money lender? You have to go through a financial institution, right?

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No, no, no. Anybody can write it up and file. I can file a lien right now on my next door neighbor's. Now, would it hold up in court? You know, probably not. But, you know, anybody can file, especially if I file a mortgage.

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Yeah, there's none. They record it. And so what happens, and these, by the way, these guys are all like, they do this all the time. You know, they actually have a closing. So, and somebody notarized it and they record it. And it's perfectly legal because they did lend you the money and you did sign the mortgage. So what I'm saying is- So who does that?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like a- Title company. A title company doesn't come and does the closing.

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They don't come in. You go to them. But yeah, but in like you could actually just you don't even have to go.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'm sorry. They notarize. Yeah, they certify.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Can just a notary public come and do it? Somebody. Well, it's more than that because the money has to go from you, the hard money lender. It has to be wired to the title company. And then they create a document that says, hey, this guy wired us three hundred thousand. He's giving this guy a mortgage and then I have to sign it and they notarize it.

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And there's a closing statement that shows like the title company got 1100 bucks to write a title policy and $500 to search the title. And they're gonna charge $30 to record it. Like they show where all the costs go. But in the end, the money has to go from you, the hard money lender to the title company and they get dispersed either by wire or check. So I'm saying you could rent, I could rent,

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an Airbnb for two weeks. I could then go online and take the warranty deed. I could check and see if there's any mortgages, create satisfaction of mortgages, record those online. And I could then take that warranty deed and transfer it from the true owner's house or name into the fake identity's name.

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So now when the hard money guys show up and they look at the house, they walk around the house and they go, yeah, this is worth about $400,000. And I've done this exact scam. They literally show up. They walk through the whole house. The appraiser. No, no, no. There's no appraisal. Yeah, there's no appraisal. It's just the guy who's going to give you the $400,000.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That's the same thing we were talking about. Everybody thinks the only reason you need an appraiser is if it's a bank. Because the bank's not there. This is this guy's own money. He doesn't want to pay $500 to an appraiser because he already knows. This is what I do for a living so I can find the balance. I was going to say, why wouldn't he just send an appraiser out? Why would he spend $500?

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And not just, well, no. Look at it like this. Right now, you right now in our neighborhood, how many phone calls would you have to make?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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How do you find these hard money lenders?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right now, how many phone calls would you have to make to determine how much you think this house is worth? You know what the house across the street is selling for.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, you could go online and look it up.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Exactly. But the house that's almost identical to this house is across the street. It's selling for $430,000. But he's going to want to see the condition of the home. Right. That's why he walks through it. He's going to walk through it. He's going to walk around it.

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Your basement. He knows. And honestly, they usually lower it too. You might be like, I could sell this for $430,000. But he's going to be like, I'll give you $400,000. I mean, what do I give a shit, bro? Right.

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So if he says $400,000, you go, okay, well, how much will you lend me? He'll go, I'll lend you $300,000. You go, oh, okay. Because there's two other guys coming. One other guy's coming in two hours. Another guy's coming in four hours. So you meet those guys. They all say the same thing. They schedule closings at different title companies.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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To me, that's just such a hard sell. It's complicated. It's a hard sell. I agree. It's random people in the US. People are going to be like, what the fuck is this?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Those title companies search public records, and they see that you do own the property. and you bought it for 400,000, and this guy's gonna lend you 300,000, and they put together the closing document. This guy wires the money to each title company, gets a different wire from a different hard money lender. None of them know about each other. So if you get four of these guys, that's $1.2 million.

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And in this whole process, if somebody thinks something's wrong, you know what they do? They say, I don't feel comfortable. I'm not going to do it. So if you call forward, but listen, I've done this. I did this in Atlanta. I've done this in Orlando. I've done this in Clearwater.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Cause when you did it, I had to, they had, I didn't, none of it was online. Yes. And Boziak mentioned something to me when we were, that's kind of one of the things that kind of got me thinking about this is Boziak mentioned most of these, most of these Airbnbs, you don't, you never meet any of these guys. You never meet the owners, you mean? Never meet the owners.

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You walk up and there's a little keypad. You push the, you know, oh, it's 227. And then it opens up. Oh, my God. You've got the key. That's it. I think I know what he's going to say. You can do it without even being there. I don't have to meet the guy, the hard money lender. I can just say, hey, listen, man, I'm not in town. I'm actually in L.A. right now. I'm going to be back in a few days.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You're not listening. I understand what you're saying, but you're not listening. This is something that does happen and it does work. It's worked for a long, long time. I'd like to see the statistics on that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You can go ahead and go in.

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I left the lockbox on the door handle for you.

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They're gonna walk through the whole place, put it back, call you up and say, listen, looks good. I can do 300,000. You go, oh, okay. Well, what's the rate you charge? I charge 14% plus 2%. And you're like, ah, that's steep, but okay.

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The owner shows up like, what the fuck's going on? There was a chick.

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To me, I would not have the heart to do that to somebody. Oh, that's nothing. There was a chick that was inside. How much did that? The girl got $350,000. She leased the place for like a week. and then she put it online for sale.

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People were showing up and she was taking $5,000, $10,000, $15,000 deposits saying she was selling the house under market value and people are giving 15 grand, 20 grand, five grand just to hold it. And they were writing a check to a title company, but she just opened a bank account in a title company, $350,000. This was a black woman, wasn't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What does that even have to do? I'm just saying, you know. I'm just saying. Well, I know that because I think her name was like, you know, Marquisa or something. I don't know.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They all got to be seniors.

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They all got to be the people that are just absolutely retarded or they're 90 years old. The question is this. The question is, if you were running that scam, which one do you think would work better? Which one do you think you'd make more money at? Asking $10,000? Asking for a large amount? It's the lower amount. The lower amount. Always the lower amount.

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You know what's funny about that?

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Boziak goes, when we did it, Boziak said, because we saw the pictures of her and she's like 22 years old. And Boziak goes, no, it's not her. She had to have somebody else that knows what's going on that was in this. And sure enough, a week later after they arrested her, they arrested the other chick who was like 35 years old.

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I'm like, yeah.

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Things have just evolved, you know? It's funny, too, like going to, do you remember when we were in prison? And it's funny, he would tell me about a scam that he had ran, and for Zach, it was always this. The biggest, the hardest thing for Zach to do was get the money in a bank he had access to. Getting the money out of the bank was easy.

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For me, the hardest part of my scam wasn't getting the, it was easy for me to get a million dollars in a bank account. It was getting the money out. The only way I could think about how to get the money out was go in and ask for cash. Can I have $7,000? Can I have $4,000? This guy, you know, he's transferring money. He's putting it onto cards. He's doing this. He's buying this asset.

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He's going to back me up.

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He's doing all these things and draining the money, getting other people to go in and get the money. Like I didn't know how to do any of that. And it's the same thing with this is that once you go to prison and you network up with all these guys, like to me, getting the 1.2 million in a bank account, That's the easy part. The hard part is getting it out.

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My question to you is, why didn't you just write checks on the account and have people either cash the checks or cash the checks yourself under different identity?

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How many people do you have to deal? Like, once again, that's a lot of people that you have to. And then what happens is this. The account starts draining. And then they'll shut the account off and tell you to come in.

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Right. But here's the thing, though. If you were to do... For instance, I knew a guy that he bought and sold silver and gold and precious metals. Oh, yeah. And he literally would have people wire him $80,000. He'd buy silver. He then calls a company that packages it and mails it to him. FedEx. They would literally leave it by the front door.

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$80,000 sitting on a FedEx package, leaning up in $80,000 in silver or gold. Silver bullion, coins, whatever. Yeah, and he'd go get it. You could do the same thing with diamonds. I knew a guy that was literally for a couple, he'd buy a couple hundred thousand dollars. He'd wire the money. They know it's good. And they'd mail him the diamonds.

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Yeah, I think crypto is the move now, though. Because they got Bitcoin ATMs.

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What do they have?

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The International Mall in Tampa, the big one, there's like two there. Oh, yeah. I didn't.

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They're at the airports now. They're starting to stick them in the airports as well. Wow. Wow. So yeah, as long as you got that Bitcoin wallet and you walk right up there and type that wallet number in, you're cashing out.

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You're going to get more people to pay the lower amount than the few people that are going to pay the $10,000. One, most people just don't have it.

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And even my bank, that's the problem with Bitcoin is that it is traceable. Like you can move it here and here and here, but eventually... Because it's open ledgers.

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So anybody that moves any money on the blockchain, you can see, but you only have the wallet name. You don't have the, nobody's tied. Because I can open a Bitcoin wallet anonymously. They don't ask you for your social security number, your date of birth, your name, none of that shit. It's just a string of numbers.

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So people can see, OK, this money went from this wallet to this wallet to this wallet. But then they have people who cash out Bitcoin. So, OK, I'm going to send my Bitcoin to your wallet and then we're going to meet up somewhere and you're just going to give me cash.

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And it's just straight up dealing with one person on one person, you know, and they got the ATMs that you can go cash out the ATMs now as well. And then there's a lot of payment. You can buy houses with Bitcoin now. You got car lots accepting Bitcoin to buy cars. You got, you know.

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Yeah, but the problem is if it's illegal funds going into Bitcoin and I buy a house, that just tells the cops like, here's his address. This is where he lives. Yeah, you have to be able to get it out in cash or an asset that you can then resell.

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The great thing about- But after moving that money around to 50 different wallets- They don't know.

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There's footprints.

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That's how Bitcoin moves around though. So it's not weird to see one wallet go to like 50 different wallets.

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But the wallets are anonymous.

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The way to do it, the way the Bitcoin billionaire, the Bitcoin, all the big scammers do, is they would go to, what is it, an exchange. They'd send it to an exchange and then it gets lost because now the exchange is issuing you more stuff. Now, they could then track that. The point is, at some point, you have to get it out of Bitcoin. Whether they can track it completely or not is questionable.

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They don't typically target roofers. They typically target just in general people. They're tweaking that scheme.

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But for the most part, unless you wanna spend hours and hours and days sifting and moving in this, the best part is to try and get the money into a bank account and out of the bank account into assets that you could just resolve that aren't titled.

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Right. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Some other way. How do I liquidate it? Is that you buy something like precious metals because you buy the precious metals. If you're buying $100,000 worth of gold, it costs you like, or let's say $100,000 worth of diamonds. It costs you about 3% to 6% just to buy it. Now I've got the $100,000 less, let's say three grand.

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I can then turn around and go to another... Another diamond person and sell it to them. They're going to charge three percent to buy it from you, but they're going to cut you a check. Those diamonds aren't really trace aren't traceable. So now I got to check in any corporation. I want that check issued. Did it cost me six to nine percent? Yeah, it did.

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Let's look at it in sheer numbers. How many people fall victim to the crime and how many times are they successful over or not? This is a scam that works a lot. Then you can hit a bunch of people for low amounts of money to get you to the amount that you want. If this is something that barely ever works, then I see them going for the high amount.

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But it's worth nine percent to get it back in the bank. And then you just pay tax.

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There's plenty of ways to cash out Bitcoin without it leading back to a person. I mean, this isn't my area of expertise by any means, but I'm sure there's plenty of ways to get your money out of Bitcoin without actually tying it back to any kind of individual one single person.

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Just by the very nature of, because it's not open ledger.

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Yeah, he's going to follow it. He's going to follow it until he finds it.

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They'll do that for a third of it. They'll do it for a third of it. There's a victim in the crowd. There are people that make their entire livings just tracking Bitcoin scams. Like they're just tracking the money.

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You can get your money out of these exchangers anonymously. Like just how you set up a bank account under somebody else's identity, you can go to these exchangers under somebody else's identity. Under a business. Get the Bitcoin into the exchanger. Then once you pull it out of the exchanger, you just disappear like a fart in the wind. Yep. You know what I mean?

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Let's say you steal $100 million in Bitcoin and you have it in an account. I love this fantasy. Go ahead. They can't do anything about it. They can't seize that account. They can't take the money. They can't take that account. They can't seize that account. They can't do anything to it because it's on an open led. That's just by the very nature of how Bitcoin operates. They can watch that account.

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And if that money gets moved out, then they'll know where it gets moved to. But it's not like the federal government can go and be like, oh, I need to shut this Bitcoin wallet down. They can't. It's impossible. Because they don't know the address of it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So run the scam one more time for me.

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That's the fucking beauty of it. The only time that they've been able to do that is when it's gone into an exchange and they've had jurisdiction over the exchange and they've contacted the exchange and said, don't send that money anywhere. That's connected to a bank fraud. It's $2 million. And then they're like, oh shit.

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Yeah, there's accounts right now that the FBI have been watching for decades. With hundreds of millions of dollars of Bitcoin in them, they can't do anything about it. All they can do is watch.

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Laundering, recall, that's all.

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Or if they know that this crypto was stolen from this wallet, then that's... Then that's bank fraud, wire fraud.

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Wire fraud. I think even... And I want to... This is funny because I had this conversation the other day. Somebody got charged with mail fraud. And I was trying to think of... because he hadn't mailed anything, but he got charged with mail fraud. And then I started thinking like, are they considering, he had sent emails and I thought, are they considering emails part of mail fraud?

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I don't think so. No, I don't think so.

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I can't imagine the person.

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What the hell are you talking about? No. No. Really? OK, so well, listen, here's what I'm what I'm thinking is I got charged with money laundering when and I was like, I have a lot like they said, no, no, you stole money. You defrauded the bank out of money. You put it in a bank account. You removed it. Removing it is, I'm like, how else was I going to get the money there? It doesn't matter.

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What is this? What's going on? I can tell you right now. Do you know who falls for this? Uh-oh, me. No, no, no. The average person. I'll tell you right now. Did you watch Casey Anthony's trial?

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As soon as you removed it, every dollar was, it can be a charge. Every dollar? Well, every transaction. Oh, okay. Every time I walked in and I said, I want $3,000, that's $3,000 in money laundering. That's a whole nother charge. Because then two days later, I went back and said, I need $9,000. That's another, every one of them, they had hundreds of them that I'd been in.

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And it was like, just removing the money in cash, money laundering. I don't see how that's money laundering, but that's what they said. Now, I got that charge dropped, but still.

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You put it all the way down to grand theft.

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Technically, it's 50 charges, but you're only going to get really plead guilty to one.

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But right now it's 50 because we don't want you getting out of jail.

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I'm just straight up. I don't feel like I have anything to benefit by cooperating with you in any way, shape, or form or giving you a statement. I'll take my chances with the judge. I know you got a job to do. I'm not trying to be an asshole, but I don't have anything to benefit from this.

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yes remember her father was a former police officer yes he paid like seven or eight thousand dollars to a scam like this are you serious absolutely it was in the trial it was like it was this embarrassing thing that he they got on there they had to admit that they'd had financial problems why did you have financial problems oh yeah he'd been taken in by the by by the nigerian prince scam and he paid he paid like six grand and then they came back and they got him again total i think it was like 15 grand so i got a little story

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They are the low end of it. Very courteous. That's exactly how I talk to the police.

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Oh, it's funny. He got pulled over by the cops and his vehicle was searched when he was on his way here from- In Tennessee.

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They got me in Tennessee. I was on my way down here from Indiana. I was moving down here. This was 2022. And these guys, for sure, they pulled me over. They searched my car. I had everything I owned in the vehicle at the time. They pulled all of it out. They went through every bag, every box, anything with a zipper or a pouch in it. They went through it. They looked through everything.

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Yeah, they ran, they ran me. I didn't have any, no, no warrants, no nothing. They're like, and then right when he was giving me my stuff back, he's like, do you mind if I searched a vehicle? I'm like, absolutely not. Go ahead. An hour later, they're still searching. You know what I mean?

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They're like, we're looking for drugs and large amounts of cash is basically what they told me what they were looking for. Yeah. And I was like, you guys looking for the mother load or what? And they're like, no, we're looking for large amounts of cash and drugs is pretty much what comes through here. Sidebar.

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And what's funny is they never searched my personal. Hopefully not. I could have had anything on me. They never pat searched you? They never pat searched me. Nope. They were more concerned about searching the vehicle than they were about me. I was being so courteous with them.

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Once I know I'm leaving.

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You're pulling me over.

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I just got pulled over. I am in the wrong because I got lights in back of me. Have you ever been searched your car?

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They don't like dealing with assholes like that.

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A punctuation for all this. Here's the takeaway. Go ahead. Can you pan to Zach and Six and Boziak and me, never been searched. I don't know. It's semi-white privilege. Semi-white privilege.

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Average people fall for it this kid this kid I used to work with I worked for for a very short period of time when I lived in Los Angeles I worked at a company that built Furniture out of mahogany like really high-end, you know, one chair was like five grand and but this kid was a moron This kid was an absolute dipshit He worked in the warehouse.

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Non-tattooed, clean-cut guy. I don't benefit from that. I've never been pulled over and searched ever in my life.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I've committed fraud in South and North Carolina, yes.

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I've never. Did you? You get pulled over whenever it wants? I've been pulled over. Matter of fact, I was pulled over with Becky one time, and we had a file folder in the trunk. Of course. A file folder in the trunk that actually had a bunch of different IDs. Like, I had these files with... I'd have all your stuff. I'd have the ID I had in your name. I would have all the credit cards.

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Zach calls them costumes.

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I call them legends after the CIA calls them legends. I had all these legends. Guy walked up. And I'm joking with the cop the whole time. Matter of fact, one time I got pulled over because, listen, obviously I'm driving in an ID that is not my ID. So I'm driving like a fucking lunatic.

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I've got a collared, long sleeve collared shirt on. I'm driving a brand new Infiniti G35.

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Which doesn't smell like marijuana.

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I don't smell like marijuana. I pull over. Neither did I. Guy comes up. And one time I had a... This is the one you've talked about because I write about this one in the book. The guy, it was a... It was a... What about it? Highway patrolman?

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He had one. They had the hat. Georgia, yeah. Was that Georgia? Georgia wears the... Oh, no.

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They shower with those hats. I think I was in South Carolina. I want to say I was in South or North Carolina. So they must have them there too.

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So when I got pulled over, he... as he's walking towards the car and I'm thinking, no big deal, like I've got a valid driver's license in this guy's name, the car's in the name, I got full coverage insurance, like I'm good. And he walks up, he didn't walk onto the driver's side, he actually, at the last minute, he walks to this side.

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When he walks to that side, I look over and I realize I've got multiple bags, you know, that when you go into the bank and they give you money, they put in that little envelope. I got multiple envelopes. I got about 30 grand in the visor. And I know he sees this. My car's getting searched.

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So as soon as I looked over, it was the first time I was ever truly like, oh, shit. I'm like, oh, my God. But he talked to me, and he bent over and kind of crunched so he could just see me. So he can't see, but he was stooped down. He didn't have that hat on. He could have definitely seen those envelopes hanging over. It was in the driver's side?

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I don't know why he's like, yeah, I'll put it in the passenger. But anyway, he just sat there and he's like, he's like, do you know how fast you're, you know how fast you were going? I was like, I depends on how long you've been following me.

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He just moved boxes around, you know, just just just an absolute idiot This guy somehow Where am I going to start in the story? Okay, so we used to have these lifts in the warehouse. And it was just like a long platform and you can go all the way up and pull the furniture off the top onto the platform and lower yourself down.

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I'm like, I don't know. He's like, uh, Why were you speeding? I'm like, stupidity. He goes, I haven't heard that one before. And he goes, OK. He said, well, a license registration. Back then you had to give it to him and I give it to him. And he walked off and he came back and he gave me a ticket. I was like, yeah, no problem. Thank you.

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So when he walked off, did you grab the thing out of the visor? I remember specifically I didn't. Because I remember thinking if I reach up there and I grab it, what if he's watching? What if there's a camera? What if somebody else is in the car? Like, I don't know if anybody, I don't know. And I remember thinking if there's no clear choice, do nothing.

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And I just sat there and I thought, you just got to wait it out, wait it out. Came back, gave me the ticket. I signed, he walked off. But yeah, so I remember thinking he searches this car, I'm done. He searches this car, I'm done. I've got four or five different legends in the back. Cash, I'm done. I'm done.

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I just joke the whole time.

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It doesn't smell like marijuana.

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By the way, I went to traffic school. By the way, I went to traffic school on that ticket. Because if I'd gotten the points on that, I'd gotten so many tickets in this guy's name. If I'd gotten points on that, I'd have lost his license. This is like the third ticket I've gotten in like six months.

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I need this guy. I can't have him losing his license. You know where I got that ID? This was Michael Eckert. I actually put an ad in the newspaper, which is a good credit, bad credit, no problem. Good credit, bad credit, no problem. Free mortgage applications. Call this number. And I had a number. He's one of the guys that called up, and I took his information to apply for a mortgage.

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And then what I did instead was I – I filled out an application to get a copy of his birth certificate. I ordered a social security card. I ordered his high school transcripts. I registered a vote in his name. I then went into the local DMV. I got a driver's license in his name. I opened up a bunch of bank accounts. I got an apartment. I bought a couple of cars.

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And I was so used to get comfortable with this guy.

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And And at some point, at some point I started doing this. I started going like, how can I alter this guy's identity in such a way that maybe it's undetectable? So I went and I got a lawyer. I paid him 1500 bucks and I had his name changed to Michael Johnson.

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When you get on these lifts, you're supposed to put on a harness and clip yourself off in case you fall off the side of the platform. You don't smack your face in the ground and die.

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The guy's like, damn, I'm about to get that mortgage. That's the narcissist. You know what I did then? I then, all these people that called, let's say 30 people called and I got their information. Just to make sure it stayed looking legitimate. And this is scam maintenance. I called another mortgage company and I said, listen, I work for an app company. We run ads and take applications.

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Sometimes we then sell them. At the end of the day, we have an overage. Can I fax you? This is back when faxes were a thing. Can I fax you the applications? The only thing I require, we were requesting, is that you pull the credit and call these guys back to tell them if they could get a loan. And they're like, you got 30 people you took loans on? Yeah. You don't want anything for them?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, but we do sell these typically. We have a $25 generation lead. But at this point, I'll just send them to you because somebody has to do these immediately. And they were like, yeah, absolutely. And then I faxed it. So they all got their credit pulled. And then somebody called them back from this other company saying, hey, we just pulled your credit. Wanted to let you know you suck.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, this idiot didn't wear a harness and he was up there, fell off the platform, smacked his face on the cement, busted his head open, had a bunch of stitches, sued the company. and won. The company then, after they paid him out, let him come back to work. For whatever reason, I don't understand this, they hired him back.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You'll never get a mortgage. Or, hey, we can get you FHA approved. So they think that the process continued. So they don't realize I'm the middleman and I just stole your identity. Don't look at me. Don't judge me. That's admiration. He's judging me.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Here's my issue with any... I'm one of those people that the scams, I don't like to deal with people. Okay, I don't like to have to convince somebody of anything in order for me to get paid. Because I just, I clam up and I have that anxiety inside of me. Like most people that do that, I mean, I'm not talking shit, they're drug addicts.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Just like your YouTube channel?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Okay.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So he gets a phone call one day by someone claiming to be the IRS saying that you owe us X amount of dollars. And if you don't go down to the store and get gift cards, Visa gift cards right now and give them to us, somebody's going to come to your house and arrest you. This motherfucker went down to the store, got $7,000 in gift cards and went back and gave them to the person over the phone. Yes.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'm a cancer survivor. Nice. They're like, wow, I'm sorry. They immediately are on the, I'm so sorry.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I was gonna say, does it still have your weight on it? Absolutely. No, it doesn't. Yes, it does. No, it doesn't have your weight on it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It's got my height, 5'6".

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Male.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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With a good pair of shoes.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, with a good pair. It doesn't have my... It used to have your weight on it, I know, but... Does it have your sex on those things? Yeah. They're male. They're male.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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non-binary why does yours say frequent but anyway so horrible so listen listen so listen to this this is funny because when i was in nashville tennessee and i don't know why this i was i was just always like wow in nashville tennessee i had bought a house and i was renovating it and one day i was in the just walking through the yard and i looked down and it was like there was a driver's license that had some dirt on it i picked it up cleaned it off

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And it literally, the ID had the guy's full name, information, and his social security number on the ID. Oh, some states do that. They stopped. They stopped, but now it would say N-A. But it was probably seven or eight years old.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I remember immediately pulled out my idea like, that's nothing. I looked at it, it still had social security number, but it just said NA. So they stopped doing it completely, but it was still even there.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It was, sorry, Tennessee. Old Tennessee. Yeah. And I never used that. You know I did Tennessee.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I never lived in Tennessee.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I surveyed like 10 or 15. You in Memphis, weren't you? I've been in Chattanooga. I drove there. We drove way out of the way.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And in my mind, I'm like, oh my God, are you kidding me? Like you didn't like, how dumb do you have to be? Like, cause I know right away, like that's insanity to even, to even do something like that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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The road test, yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Seriously. I took mine.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Fair minimum, you got to take the written test on the computer.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, they want to know. I almost failed. Which one? I almost failed the written. You know, you hit the buttons, right? They got the buttons. The old ones, you didn't write anything. They'd ask a question. Yeah, you'd hit that. They had the big plastic. And I remember at one point, I missed like three of them. Oh, yeah, because it tells you as you go. One more, I was like, fuck.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I missed the DUI one, the blood level. And the other one I missed was, because I'd never heard this, they had a picture of what I thought was a pedestrian area, right? Like they were pedestrians. But it just happened that one of the pedestrians was holding a briefcase. And it wasn't a pedestrian area. It was a business district. Oh. And I missed it. I was like, oh, pedestrian. They were like, bleh.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I was like, bleh. So when I got up to the counter and I was like, I went up, I said, hey, I just finished. And she's like, yeah, I see. I said, I said, man, I almost failed that. She's like, yeah, I can see that. She kind of like laughed. She said, yeah, you were close. You were one away. I was like, yeah. And then I had to go take the actually go get in my vehicle and drive and come back.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And the guy was like, yeah, yeah. We only had to drive down the street. He was like, yeah, you're good. Just turn around.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It was just real brief. He was like, you're not a 16-year-old kid. He's like, yeah, I can see you driving. Just go back. You've been driving for a long time.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Got my ID. Immediately went to CarMax. Bought a car. Put 20% down. I got a loan from, I remember, first-time buyers. You could put 20% down and they'd give you a $20,000 loan. I bought an Xterra. Listen, Nashville was the fastest I've ever been set up in my life. Within one week, I have an apartment. I have furniture. I have water. I have electric. I have a driver's license. I have a new vehicle.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like, and I'm like, okay, well, this is the type of person that falls for these scams. I mean, this kid was just a moron. He didn't, he didn't have any common sense at all. You know what I mean? Barely could keep up his personal hygiene. It's one of those kids, you know what I mean? Constantly high smoking dope all day, all day long. And I'm like, oh my God.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I have a bank account. I have cell phone service. I had cable, everything. It was within a week.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Each one of those things can be done in one day over there.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, it's very, very well. I know because I had to drive the vehicle all the way back because I'm driving a vehicle that's in somebody else's name. I had to drive it all the way back to Charlotte and leave it. And I was driving that vehicle. I'm terrified, bro, because that vehicle was in the name of a guy the cops were looking for.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So with the whole that was the worst wanted.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Talk about being nervous. And you're driving through those mountains between Tennessee and the airport.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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My fear was I don't want them to find it in Nashville.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And I actually left it in long-term parking at the airport. And then I got on a plane and flew back. Yeah. I was listening. I was, I was to that whole ride. I was like, my heart was every time I saw a cop, I'm usually not concerned when I see a cop, but boy, that whole time I was like, Oh fuck. I'm done. Like I got to drive for the next couple of hours.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I can't have them run the plate. I can't have them run the plate. I can't have a run.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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To this day, I don't let the cops get behind me. Even though I'm not doing anything wrong and all my paperwork is legit.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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How do you prevent that?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I never let them. If I even see them getting behind me, I'll go in a gas station. I'll turn off. I'll switch lanes. I'll slow down. I'll do whatever I got to do just so those motherfuckers aren't behind me.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, I don't do any of that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I've never had a cop be an asshole to me ever in my life.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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There's no way you're getting a submission. He's making me mad. I've never had a police officer be disrespectful to me.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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A clean cut Caucasian. I love the Eddie Murphy skit where Eddie Murphy pretends to be a white guy and he goes into the bank and there's a white loan officer and a black loan officer and he walks up and he sits down And he says, oh, what are you looking for? I'm trying to get a business loan of twenty thousand dollars. He said, yeah, you fill out this application.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'm going to need to see your last two years taxes. And then the black, the white. No, the the because he's talking. It's two white guys. Eddie Murphy's a white guy because he's got the makeup on and he's talking to a white loan officer. The black loan officer gets up and walks away and he goes, it's OK. He's gone. How much do you need? Yeah, yeah, no problem.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He starts pulling out, he starts handing him cash. He's like, how much? He's like, let me take another 10. Take another 10. He's like, okay. He finds out what it's really like to be a white guy.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They're not going to scrutinize as heavily.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Pull up in a nice car, they're dressed nice, they got cologne on, they come in.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You want to go that extra foot forward. But I also think, I agree, I get the white privilege to a degree. But what I think part of it is, is that I am pulling up in a brand new vehicle. I am dressed very nice. I'm polite. I sound educated. That's a stereotype. If I pulled up and I'm covered in tattoos, my vehicle's 15 years old. I got smoke. The windows are down. It's dinged up, beat up.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It's rusted.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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We have to be able to do that to identify threats in our environment.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That's the goal of one day where they pass out the CDs on the Hollywood Boulevard and out in California, I was green. I didn't know that there, that's, that was all bullshit. And there was nothing on the disc here, man, support my music. You know, like they're supposed to be a rapper. And then they hand you the CD and they're like, oh, I'm accepting donations.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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let me just check if I'm driving and they look through the window and they see me and I see that they see me I know I'm getting pulled over I fucking know I'm getting pulled over I'm not doing anything wrong I'm not speeding I'm sitting straight up in my seat I got my seatbelt on my windows aren't tinted I'm getting pulled over just because I seen him see me so I know I'm fucked you know how to get around that

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That's when you if you look at him make eye contact, you pick up the mega hat and you put it on. And he'll be like, he'll do this.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And he'll be like, go about your business.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Huh? You're fucked. No, he's still a cop. He just messes up the algorithm.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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5034.579

I don't know. I don't know. I think you've already had one loss this week, haven't you?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'm stopping whatever I'm doing at that moment. I'm going to fucking... And I'm fixing this taillight.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. Another reason why... I don't possess privilege. Yeah. Another reason why I'm always so nervous when I get behind me is I've done so much shit in my life, I don't know what's going to come back to get me. So it's like, even though I think I'm good now, I don't have any warrants, but fuck, I get pulled over and all of a sudden some horse shit comes back.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, I've done so much shit in my life.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And then if you don't, and if you don't give them the money, they create like a big scene and all this other shit. So I gave the dude $20 and then I got in the car and put the disc in. I'm just like, are you kidding me? This asshole put, he's just out there with bullshit CD. Like I didn't know.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And I get to punch him. If I wasn't on paper, this would have been an altercation.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I didn't want to spit on him. I don't mind confrontation at all.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. That's something I have a problem with. Cause like if somebody cuts me in line or they like, they do something intentionally that I snap, I completely I'll snap and I'll create a scene. This is going to get personal. I'm getting out of my car. I'm coming to your car. Wow.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I don't like being tailgated. I don't like it when people don't let me merge. You know what I mean? Like I just, that just, it sends me over the edge. I can see that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I don't even think that's a, I don't know. That's a street scam. That's a street scam. But I fell for it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What's so funny to me is if the old guy had bumped me and told me move, I'd have been like, Oh gosh, I'm so sorry. Go ahead. It changes nothing for me. That guy's opinion doesn't mean anything.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No big deal. I take everything personally. I also don't get in the road rages. If somebody beeps or cuts me off, I might have a split second of, what the fuck? But then I'm like, calm down. This means nothing. Yeah, I'm chasing him through traffic.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That's him. That's him. To me, I've already seen that whole process all the way through from me having to get angry and yell at this guy and cause a scene to ending up in jail, having to spend time talking to police, filling out police reports, possibly getting charged. I can't think through all of that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I can't have that moment. That has so little impact on my life. I wouldn't have even thought about it again. I'd have been like, oh, hey, so sorry. Sir, by all means, go ahead. My fault. That's my fault. And let him go. He's an old man. He's a bitter old man who's in a chair. And let him go. And honestly turned around and then waited in line and never given another thought.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I would at least totally fuck you. I can't even understand that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I would have to have said something to dissect that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I have an agenda for that moment, for that day, for the next five years, for the next ten years, and I'm not going to allow my emotions to... to have me waver from that agenda.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That's the difference between somebody growing up in a consistent environment their whole entire life and being able to plan for the future and understanding that, you know, A, B, and C will lead to X, Y, and Z later. But people who are just like, you have been living hand to mouth their entire life, you know, homeless, I have to think about the now. I can't think about the future.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I don't even factor that into any of my decisions because I just, I can't, I have to deal with the now.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Cause I'm thinking that this guy, this guy's an artist. I'm going to see he's a rapper. I'm going to support his music. Right. And then you get it. And it's just like some Indian shit. Like, Oh, he got me.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know, what's funny is I think that's the difference between we were all sitting here one day. Jess was here. Bozak was here. And I was here. And we see flashing lights at the front door, at the window by the close to the front. You can see flashing lights between the houses. And you can see it in the front. There's a glass thing over our door. Red and blue lights. Yeah, the red and blue.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And boom.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I was out the back door immediately.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Really? Wait a second. Jess glances up and I glance up and she goes, oh my God, the cops are here. And starts walking towards the front door. She walks to the front door, opens the front door. I walk with her.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'm five blocks over.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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We're walking to the front door to open the front door because I've had the cops come here a few times and knock on the door for some reason or another. And they've opened the door and I immediately opened the door. Yes, sir. What's your name? Such and such. You know, I have no problem because I know I'm not doing the wrong sort of a problem. And I know I haven't done anything wrong.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And I know I can get anything that it's a misunderstanding. We work it out. But so we opened the door. Just so happens that the cops had pulled somebody over like a couple of houses down, catacorded us. And so she sees it, sees the lights. Oh, okay. They pulled somebody over, closes the door. She looks at me. She's like, I guarantee you. She said, cause she turned around, Boziak's gone.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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She goes, guarantee you he took off. We walk, he's standing in the backyard. And when he, he's like, he's like this. And she goes, it's fine. It's just this, come on. And coaxes him back inside. He walks inside and she looks at him and she says, you're not living your life, right?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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These motherfuckers are never going to take me again. They're going to have a chase on their hands because I will never, ever, ever, ever just willingly say, here, put the cuffs on me. Motherfucker, you're chasing me today.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You're not coming here to give me a check.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know what's funny about that? Is that I've actually had the cops give me a check. I just went to Orlando, did a keynote speaking engagement for an hour, and they just mailed me a check. You really got to work on the other side of this. This is two different perspectives.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, he's probably getting five people an hour. Yeah, it's like $100 an hour out there. And if he stays out there 10 – and if the guy comes back and yells at him, he'll be like, you don't like my music? Like what are you – oh, I don't give back any – What do they do? They call the cops?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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yeah i view every interaction with the law enforcement as i'm fighting for my life wow i'm fighting for my life here because you have the power to take everything from me right now yeah even though i've done nothing wrong so fuck you i'm not even gonna talk to you you're gonna have to chase me and then we'll just discuss it if you catch me wait a sec wait a sec colby's colby is a very clean cut white guy have you ever had your car searched

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Do you feel – when you've spoken with police officers, has anybody ever come by the house like a police officer or had a conversation with a police officer?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Did you feel like – I'm just, you know, whatever.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He packs up and leaves.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Technically, he's not breaking the law.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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There was several there.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Officer, I smelled marijuana when they drove by.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Technically, I don't think he's breaking the law, to be honest with you. That's why they're out there doing it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'm in LA one time and I'm dating this girl and it was after dark and we were going to go to the store. We're going somewhere, going to get some chicken or something. And I told her, let's take your car. I was like, because I get pulled over. And she didn't believe me. Like she thought I was full of shit. I'm like, listen, I get hassled even though I'm doing nothing wrong. I get hassled.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So we take my car. I had a, uh, I had a Mercedes. Um, geez, what I want.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Was it blind?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It was, it was silver, but I wrapped it teal. I had like a teal wrap on it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And it was nice. It was a C63 AMG. A really nice car. I had it wrapped in teal. We're driving. We're on Crenshaw Boulevard over by Rosecrans. The LA County Sheriff's coming this way. I seen him look through his window, look at me, and then flip around. I looked in my room. I seen him flip around and says, we're getting pulled over. She says, for what?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I fell for it because I had no idea. It seemed like a legitimate thing.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I says, we're getting pulled over and we're going to get searched. Literally got pulled over. He pulls up behind me. I roll all four windows down at once because I had tints. And that's what I, cause they, cause just so he's not sketchy, just so he can see in the car and see that it's just me and my girl. I hit all four windows at once. They come down.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I have my register, my, my license and registration ready for him because that's what you do. You're, you have it ready for him. He comes up to the window. I hand it to him. He says, I didn't ask for that. He grabbed it out of my hand. He threw it on the dash. He says, I didn't ask for that. He says, are you on parole or probation? I says, no. He's like, do you have anything in the car?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Any weapons or drugs? I says, no. He says, well, I'm searching. And he just pulls my door open. He says, step out of the vehicle. Wham, wham, wham. Happened just like that. I'm searching. Pulls me out of the vehicle. Puts me in handcuffs. Puts me in the back of his cop car. And this is all within a minute, minute and 30 seconds of me being pulled over. I'm like, what the fuck, dude?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He couldn't even ran the tag. He isn't even, the tattoos on your face. While he's pulling me out, he searched me. He says, what gang were you in in prison? I'm like, oh, okay, he thinks I'm... That's unbelievable. I'm like, dude, straight up, just like, he's like, what gang were you in in prison? I'm like, oh, my God, dude.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'm like, why is this... In my mind... We used to run. And in my mind, my mind's reeling because I've done nothing wrong. I'm not on probation. I'm not a drug dealer. I'm not a gangbanger. I don't have guns on me. I just... Plus, I had a bald head.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, I was going to say that, you know, I think I don't even feel like that's really a scam. I wouldn't feel stupid for forgiving him 20 bucks. No, you know, I think probably the closest I've come is like and you've I know everybody's been approached by this person, not the same guy, but the same kind of kind of guy where they're like, excuse me, man, you're with your girl.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And my entire head's tattooed. And so I guess I could see. But once he got me in the back of the cop car, I'm leaning up like, listen, I'm not. I'm like, you got the wrong guy. I was like, straight up, you got. And then once he ran my name, he immediately took me out of the car, took the cuffs off me, told me to have a good night. He's like, well, I couldn't see in the car.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I couldn't see who you were. Just backtracking now because he's realized I'm not. I'm not who he thought I was. I'm not that scumbag gangbanger. Like, I'm not that guy. And once he realized that. His tune changed immediately. And ever since then, I'm like, dude, fuck these motherfuckers, man. They could just take your whole life away and there's nothing you can do about it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I mean, I know he doesn't worry about that, but I'm worried about things like that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It's one of the main reasons I'm leaving the United States because I just don't want to deal with it anymore.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I've never once contemplated tattooing my entire body. Because of those types of things, I thought you tattoo your whole body. All these things are targets.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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The person that thinks all of that is the same guy also that says, I'm going to tattoo my entire body, fuck society, and I'm going to take what I want. And that guy has a criminal record because he behaves like that. And periodically it catches up with him. He goes to prison. He gets felonies. And he is that person. He is the person. I thought I just said...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, no, you were just saying it was about art, his artwork.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right, but he also, the record. They also make questionable decisions.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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More prone to reckless behavior, yeah. He's also the guy that hits moving mass... That has, yeah, he's also that guy that when you do search his car, there's a chance there's a block of- These guys are risk takers.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I was pissed. Do you think it's because of all your tattoos or because you're black?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That wasn't the reason. And it was stolen.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Hey man, I got to talk to you real quick. Uh, look, I'm not, I'm not like a bum or nothing. I got a job. I work in Orlando and this, and you're in Ybor city. And he's like, uh, the problem is I came, I drove here with a bunch of guys. We got into an argument. They left me here. I'm stuck. I can get a bus ticket back for 30 bucks. I got like 20, I got like 25 bucks. You give me $10 to get me back.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That's true because I've driven a lot of rental cars and never gotten a ticket and been pulled over.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Absolutely. Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I know. It's so wrong.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Most people that do those kinds of scams have been lifelong drug addicts. And for whatever reason, those people- I do have that mechanism inside of them that they just don't get embarrassed. They don't get ashamed. They can say anything to anyone and try and convince anyone of anything because that's what they've been doing their whole life to get the drugs.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They just know they're more likely to come across somebody with high warrants. Somebody's gonna have drugs. There's gonna be something not right going on in this car.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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My mind isn't initially telling me to search this person like, you know, like this guy is doing something wrong. Like that's not the first place my mind is going to go when I look at him. But you look at me, he's like, oh, he's got to have something on him.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Just give me your address. I'll send you the money back. Junkies all right. And you're looking and you know, you kind of look at him. You're like, listen, I'm going to give you the 10 bucks because I get it enough, but I don't want you. And I even said, but I don't believe that. No, no, no. I don't believe that because here's the thing.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I drive driven more in my life without a license than I have licensed.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, I'm the same way.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Even when I was on the run and didn't have my personal driver's license or use it the entire time. I never drove a car that I didn't have a valid driver's license. And even if it was in someone else's name, I never drove.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What kind of a human being are you that you can't pick up the phone and call someone to send you money or drive from Orlando to pick you up? There's a reason why all those bridges are burning. So it's a scam. It's bullshit, but I am with my girl. Here's $10. You know what I'm saying?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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or a five year. And I'd be like, they gave you eight years. You you're talking about, you were eating at Panera this morning and you turned yourself in and they're like, yeah, yeah. I turned a 10 o'clock. I had to be here at the, but see, that's different.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, no, you get sentenced and they let you still turn yourself into the jail.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And now you need to turn yourself into the prison.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You need to walk straight into the front door. They'll tell you, call the BOP and ask them where to go. Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They might give you another charge, but it might be a month or two.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, absolutely.

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Or you could get a fake ID. You have to go immediately. I've had multiple passports. You get on some boat and ride to Cuba.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Because your name is done. Honestly, you can walk into Mexico.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I got a passport, driver's license, everything ready to go.

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So at that time, you probably could buy like a boat. But you're letting them know where you're going. But if you were to go and on the manifest for your flight, there's a, you might be able to go, but there's a chance that, that they could have your name flagged. Yeah, under your real name. There's a chance. Not always, but there's a good chance. In the federal system, you're probably flagged.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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There's a twist on that scam, by the way. So if you ever pull up to a gas station and you have somebody say, oh, I'm completely, they're parked by a pump. I'm completely out of gas. I'm stranded. I don't have no money. I just, all I need is like $10, $15 you can put in the gas tank for me. He's like, you only got to give me the cash. You can just go in there.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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In the state system, you may not be flagged.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It's just a matter of time before they get pulled over.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Okay, so if you didn't surrender your passport, and you can leave the country, but they're going to know what country you went to. Where you went. And then they're going to come try and find you in that country if they want you bad enough.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And honestly, you may not get on the... I know many guys that were indicted, but the cops hadn't caught up to them. For instance, Joseph Vitale. Remember Vitale? He had been indicted. He knew he was in trouble, but he hadn't gone in yet or been processed. His lawyer was—so he's not even supposed to show up. He's been indicted, and his lawyer's like, hey, you need to turn yourself in on Thursday.

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He goes and buys a plane ticket, and he's ready to fly to— Peru or Ecuador? No, Peru. I think it might have been Peru. Anyway, let's say it's Peru. So they go to the airport and they're sitting there waiting to get on the airport to fly internationally. Well, they told them later, oh, no, no. The moment you were indicted, your name was on the list.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So had we grabbed you and you were in custody, but in the moment we had indicted you. It's on a no-fly list. He was on a no-fly list. So his name showed up and they were just sitting there waiting. They walk up to him. They go, Joseph Vitale. He's like, yes. And they grab his stuff and cuff him and walk him out. Yeah, but there's levels. But that was federal.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Let's say it was the state of Florida. The state of Florida is not going to do that. The state of Florida, you can probably jump, go to the Tampa International Airport with your passport, jump on a plane and leave. But they are going to know where you went. Yeah. I have a record of you flying. Yeah, this guy just flew to Mexico.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Now, once you're in Mexico or you're in Peru or Ecuador or wherever, you fly from there, it starts to get very difficult to track you down. Or you jump on a boat. That's what I say.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Probably walk into Mexico.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Or take a boat to Cuba. You can walk right into Mexico. You don't have to show passport or nothing. The Crime Chronicles.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, that's not true. ChatGBT, it makes mistakes all the time. Every time I go to it, it makes mistakes. I love ChatGBT.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So you go in there, you tell the guy like 20 on five. So then they act like they're pumping the gas, but they don't pump the gas. And then you leave the gas station. They go back in there and they get that $20 from the attendant because they didn't pump the, oh, I'm not going to pump the gas. So they get the money. And they got me a couple times on that one. He's getting exposed.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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you've got to refine your question right i do and then i'll say it'll tell me give me the wrong statistic and i'll go well that's funny because this and this is what i heard the statistic and then it says oh after reviewing those i believe the statistic is 75 you just said it was 30 it's called hallucinations all ai does it right now but that over the next few years that'll be yeah because

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, I just don't want it taking all the jobs, credit card. I do. I'm the opposite.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, I want all the jobs to be taken, to be honest with you. You don't want people to do anything? No, I think that'll be a good thing because humanity, everybody will be able to do what they want to do. There's this miscommon myth that people's jobs give their life meaning. Man, suck my dick, bitch.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What about learning a second language? What about the stars and the planets? No, I gotta go move boxes around Amazon and that's my meaning?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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None of which he does, by the way.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Because you don't have time. No, I refuse.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But that's how you make money. I'm saying there'll be more things like that that people will be able to explore. People don't have the luxury or even the big... Nobody's actually sat there and been like, man, what do you really want out of life? Because I got to pay my bills. I got to go to work. I don't have time to think about what I really want out of life.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They would find meaning. They would have to find meaning because I don't know. I just, I don't believe the, I don't believe that. That sucks, dude.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Listen, if everybody stops working and nobody's paying in money, then they won't be able to pay their bills. If they can't pay their bills. So he's thinking it should all be obvious.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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automatic so you would spend your money there you can't give people uh overall you can't give if you can't just print money it has to be there'll be something yeah it has to be back there'll be a universal basic income or all of these corporations that go 100 automated with no employees are going to pay a certain percentage tax every year which is going to be way lower than paying 500 employees to do a job so they're going to have they're going to have a surplus

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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profit every year and a certain percentage of that surplus goes into the UBI goes back into the universal basic income system and then we can all just be you know a population of hedonists and you know we'll be entertaining each other the parties will be wild entertainment will be off the chain so you don't even have a DJ at a party in order for us as a society to progress to the next level

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, I understand. But it would have to be controlled. You can't suddenly say, hey, we're going to pay everybody $25,000 a year and you don't have to work. And AI and robots are going to do everything for us. That's not going to happen. They break down. There'll be jobs.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That's going to be the next level of our progression. Imagine telling people that you can now wake up and you can make your own decisions. You can wake up every day and decide what you want to do. Who's going to pass that up? Who's going to give that up? Nobody.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Some of us are taking care of these gels. Fuck this system the way it is.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He's just old. The older people, they hang on to the system.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It'll be chaos without it. No, it won't. Something new will come out of everything and that's just how it's going to be.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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We'll see. We'll see. We'll see what happens. What are we doing? What are you doing?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, okay. Nice.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Getting in your steps?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He's half machine. You got a pacemaker? Yeah. Jesus Christ.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And they'll know that from looking at the data. It's kind of like monitoring your data.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, the Chinese don't give a fuck.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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The Great Pyramid was a water pump. That created electricity. I believe that. Some crackpot has a whole book written on it. I know, and they expanded on it. I watched the documentary last night. I want to know his theory.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You can get six different documentaries telling you six different things, and every one of them, by the time you're done, you're like, definitely aliens. Definitely aliens. By the end of it, you're like, yeah, it was six guys and a couple of donkeys did that whole thing. What is your theory? The Egyptians built him. That's what happened. It took 50 years and they built him.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They are a mathematical...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Listen, the fact that there are no hieroglyphics inside of the Great Pyramid lets you know that it wasn't a tomb and it wasn't used for what mainstream archaeology says it was used for.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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We watched it wrong. We watched two different documentaries. Okay, so two different theories. So I'll send you guys the documentary. Probably the 60 documentaries and all of the Egyptian history professors and the people that are really, really sick. They're all wrong. There's 10,000 of them that are wrong, but there's some guy from Iowa that wrote a book.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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There's a giant conspiracy around the history of ancient Egypt and all of that. There's one mainstream version that archaeology clings to that's been disproven left and right for the past 20 or 30 years for guys that this is what they wake up every morning and dedicate their entire lives to.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like there's water erosion on the Great Sphinx. And the only time that could have taken place was like 50,000 years ago, which predates the dynasty, the dynastic Egyptians by 25,000 years. So the dynastic Egyptians… And their belief there is it's Atlantis. The dynastic Egyptians were squatters, essentially. They were squatters.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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All the hieroglyphs you see, that was graffiti done by a civilization that came way after the pyramids were built originally.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I suggest we all talk about something we have an actual expertise on, not something we learned on TikTok. I'll take you to school on ancient Egypt. I'll be doing a segment on history.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I have an open mind.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh my God. Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I've read all the books. I've watched all the documentaries. I've studied.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You haven't watched all of them. You obviously didn't watch the ones I've watched. Well, he's got a lot in his playlist queue.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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We're gathered here today. Yeah. Yeah. What I was, what my suggestion was that we each kind of pick a scam, give a brief overlay of the scam and then explain, you know, and then talk about like, okay, well, you know, you just said that, how does that work? Like, I don't understand and pick holes in the scam. Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Because I give you an example is that, you know, Zach has had many, many brilliant scams. And then once you start asking, well, what about this? What about that? Sometimes they, you know, he's like, you know, you can see where they went wrong. It's like, oh, and I ultimately got arrested. Well, why'd you get arrested? Oh, because I got a hotel room and I used a fake credit card.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Why did you do that? Or, oh, well, originally when the scam started, I had the credit cards mailed to my sister's house. And it's like, you didn't... Well, I didn't think they'd put that together. And so it's like, okay, well... That whole scam unraveled based on that one little tiny thing. And how would you have done it differently or better?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Or it doesn't even have to necessarily be a scam that you've done. Just one you've kind of thought about and heard about. And this is how you think it would work. And just kind of like unravel it. Kind of like the guys when we did that video the other day. And we're talking to this guy on the phone. And I'm sitting there thinking, man, if he just tweaked this scam a little bit.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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he probably would make a lot more money just by tweaking a few things to make it more credible and make it not come back on him so easily. He could probably run this scam for six months and could probably make millions of dollars doing it. He just doesn't. They want to, oh, I'm going to send you $15 million. You just have to send me $15,000. Oh, you're talking about that one that I had.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You didn't wake up hungry. If you were really hungry, you'd have woke up hungry and you'd have gone to day labor.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, I'm saying like- That I got scammed on.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, you never sent the money, so you didn't get scammed.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But I mean, think about what he did. He really eliminated a ton of potential marks by saying, I need you to send me $6,000. Like if he had had a letter that really looked like a law firm And it really went to a decent law firm website. And it was really connected to a lawyer that you could check out. And he had really planted articles about whatever the organization was and how it worked.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And then he had simply said, not that, hey, you have to send me $5,000. He had said something reasonable like, look, And this is something that most law firms do. When you come in, they say, look, we have a basic fee that just kind of pays the administration fee, which is $450. Like, yeah, I'm going to represent you on your car crash.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But I need you to pay $450 now, and I'll take one-third of the payoff in 18 months when we settle the case. But for now, you have to pay $450 just for the administrative costs. Just to get us going. Right. How many times could this guy—lots of people can afford $450. That's a real thing.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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My brother-in-law owns a—he's retired now, but he had a personal injury attorney firm, and they used to charge $350 is what everybody paid up front. Doesn't matter if you got a million, two million, ten million dollars. Consultation. But I agree. Consultation is like once you sign up, you have to pay this for us to start your file. It's just for the administration to set your file up.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It was 350 and all of them were charging it. So it was like, so that I'm going to end up spending 350 immediately just to set up your thing. So you got to pay that. Now I'll work for my one third, but this is just for the staff, let's say. And everybody paid it. Nobody questioned it. Now it'd probably be 450, 500.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But the bottom line is he could get a hundred people to do that and make $45,000 as opposed to getting two people every six months to pay in five grand. You know, he's stupid. It's stupid. And it's reasonable. And anybody can come up with 450.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'm not even related to him. I disagree. I would make it I would to me, I'd go the entire time like it's absolutely legitimate. This is a legitimate thing. This person is is related to you. And, you know, and you as you may be thinking, I'm getting over on him.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But if he had said, listen, this person, you know, we actually have somebody who's whatever, one of these people that put together the trees, you know, your family tree. We actually have a letter from someone that says that this person is a long lost relative of yours and you actually are supposed to be getting this money.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Now, you may think to yourself, I don't think so, but I'm not going to say anything because I think I'm going to get the $15 million. So you may be thinking I'm getting over on him. And those are the best scams. The best scams are when the victim thinks he's getting over on you and you're getting over on him. So I think that if you did that and he said, look, we're signing you up for the law firm.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You just have to send 450 to set up your file to an administration administrative firm. Most people would come up with 450. You would have paid the 450 to see if you got the 15 grand. I think you would have. You seemed pretty taken in.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You obviously knew it was a scam. You were just trying to figure out where's the scam at.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I understand how you were taken in.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He would have just said, hey, you are related to that person. Right. And many, many people would easily pay 450. You stopped dead in your tracks the moment he said seven thousand dollars or six thousand. You were like, oh, wow, that's it. But if he said 450 and if you actually looked it up, is this a real thing? Plus, he could have planted articles about his company doing this for a living.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And you would have searched him up and boom, you would have seen these articles and you'd have been like, man, this is a real thing. This guy really does that. Oh my gosh, I want to get in on this. Then you'd have been like, I want to get in on this. And he'd be like, okay, well, it's $450 for us to start the process. That's all you'll pay. Once we get it, I get 30% of the recovery fee.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It takes about 90 days. So how would you like to pay that money? And then he's got 90 days to get 100 more people the same way. So I think that's the way to fix that scam for this retard because he was a complete idiot that he just completely fucked it up.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Some people have just a lot of empathy. A lot of people have a lot of empathy inside of them, so they feel bad if they don't give it. And that's where they take advantage. That's where those junkies take advantage. They snip those people out. Because they're all manipulators. They're all manipulators.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So it's like, I just don't have that in me. I don't feel like I have that mechanism in me. I can't walk up to somebody I don't know and try and convince them of either A, to commit a crime openly, or B, that somehow I have a bunch of money that I'm going to give. Because listen, anybody with two cents rolling around inside of their head is going to smell scam from a mile away.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That this is for sure for real. I'm going to get the 15 grand. I believe that this is going to happen. How many people do you know in the United States right now that legally work a job?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, what number? People that are even going to entertain this scam. Wait a second. Wait a second. I'm saying right now in this room. Can you come up with $7,000? Can you come up with $7,000? Can you come up with $7,000? Most people, legitimate citizens, you're not legit.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Legitimate citizens, legitimate citizens that have regular jobs that make the average income of $40,000, they have less than like $2,000 or $3,000 sitting in the bank. They can't come up with $7,000 or $8,000. But they can come up with $50,000. This was angled at the roofer. This was angled at the roofer and the business owners. I mean, I agree, but I don't know that all that's... Absolutely.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, I can go to, I would rather make up on following you.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You're talking about a lot of expense. This is your hustle, though. Yeah, I understand. This is your hustle.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So I guess they're also in another country too. So the profit margin in another country is vastly different. So you make $4,000 a month in another country. That's like making 20 grand a month here. Yeah, you're right. That's a lot of money.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That was a scam I was going to bring up, by the way. You go to Honda. I love it when they ask me, would you like to open a Home Depot credit card? My probation officer said I can't open any lines of credit while I'm on probation. They're like, oh, okay. And they just keep going.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, he's sitting at home answering the phone himself.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But think about it like this too. In another country, like he's going to Thailand. What can you live for in Thailand? A month? Yeah. 200 bucks.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, yeah, I wish. That's 1970. About $1,500 US dollars a month. You can live a very, very comfortable life in Southeast Asia.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You should see the condos. We're not talking about a shithole condo that looks like a motel.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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We're talking about... These buildings were built... 20th... Yeah, last year, two years ago. Looking over the beach... Insane. High-rise luxury condos for about $550, $600 a month. 23rd floor, 30th floor, all the amenities.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That's everything. Oh, no, you can get a place for $250, but I'm saying he's going to be living, we're talking about like 20th floor, concierge. This is like living in a brand new building downtown, which is four grand a month.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You want to pay $1,000 a month for rent? Yes.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. You would get the equivalent of here, but you have to pay like one of those apartments downtown, like Tampa for like $3,500, $4,000.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You get one of those for about $1,000 over there.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They denied me twice.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, these guys just pay these guys as you walk in you just no credit check no background check You have the money Southeast Asia really I'm going to Thailand but Southeast Asia. Yeah, we got it Can we come visit how much is a meal to eat a lot and a meal to eat out $2?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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$2.50. It used to be the meals. You get a giant plate of noodles, chicken, rice. So say all four of us went out and we all got whatever entree we wanted. We all had a big round of drinks and all that. The total price for all four of us would probably somewhere in the neighborhood of about $30 to $35 U.S.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Wow. And listen, forget that part of it. When we're done, you have to send the videos. When he shows you the video, and it's not one video. There's hundreds of videos of people just going out to eat. Like you should see the meals they're getting. Yeah, please send us the video. It's not crap. It's not like a McDonald's meal. We're talking about

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Home-cooked, like this is like going to Bonefish Grill. They're bringing out salmon.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They're bringing out- And even McDonald's is cheaper over there. Like over here, you're going to pay like, what, $15 for a value meal now? It's like $6.50, $7 US over there for the same thing that we pay $15, $20 for here. Whew. Yeah, Southeast Asia is definitely, I think, where it's at. If you want to take your U.S. dollars and see how far you can stretch them.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Of course. $3 a month? $3 a month?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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The infrastructure in Southeast Asia rivals and surpasses anything that you see here in the United States. I call it crap. I can show you the videos. The public transportation, the streets are clean. The crime is low.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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yeah yeah it's dude the crime is low over there so here's the reason i i have like after sitting with him long enough i've had many conversations with jess but the bottom line is which is my wife the bottom line is in the end you know this podcast is based on 70 of it is people coming in person to meet with me

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Now, if I could do it all remotely and get the same amount of views and income, well, then I could live like a king over there. But my fear is that if I were to go over there, then I would lose a chunk. And I have all editors in the United States running or doing all the editing and everything. So suddenly everything would drop down and you can't afford to pay that. You don't have a place.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And my fear is that everything's working so well right now. Why would I take that leap? But that's right now, though. It could change. Oh, no, things could change. But, you know, I want to make it Taiwan.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But I'm a vlogger. I vlog. That's what I do. I like to just grab the camera and go run out and do stuff in public. You know, whatever I'm doing. I like that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That's the kind of content I like to make. Whatever it is. He has videos. There's videos. There's channels. Complete channels exactly like the channel he's going to. Well, we can get into that later. But he's starting a channel. When he goes, there's guys that have Americans, guys from Ohio that have moved there. Got a condo, got a girlfriend. Pretty little Thai wife. Yeah. And move there.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And they their whole thing is just about, hey, I'm going here today. Hey, I'm doing this. Hey, I just worked for two hours and made, you know, they're doing.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Guys that couldn't get laid here in a house are going over there and they have like just the most beautiful girl you've ever seen.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Patreon, maybe. There's a bunch of other videos, guys just like him that went there, started a YouTube channel, and probably worked a day job doing some kind of digital, you know, something like that. A lot of these guys, they do marketing or they do editing or something until eventually their YouTube channel takes off and then they don't even have to do that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Now they just make three videos a week.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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and put them up about their life in thailand and how much everything costs and here i'm going here and oh i just got did this and my girlfriend and i are doing that that's their whole channel do they get do they get american right yeah because thailand cannot be happier thailand could not be happier about you're still a u.s citizen so you're still paying taxes to the u.s so i'm still getting u.s dollars yeah every month i just i just live abroad there's certain i'm still a u.s citizen i still pay taxes on everything i make you know what i mean

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I didn't understand any of this really until I started, you know, actually really digging into it and watching the YouTube videos and watching a lot of these guys that are over there vlogging and making videos, talking about the cost of living, talking about just, you know, the culture, the society, how things operate over there. I had no clue, you know?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I thought it was all fucking instantaneous.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like I didn't, I didn't know, like it's, it's, you know, cause you're, we live in such a bubble here and we're made to believe that the U S is the center of the universe. We have it better than everybody else. Our culture is better. Our economy is better. You know what I mean? Win, win, win American. We, we, Push that American excellence where we really just focus on the individual.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So everybody's kind of just like this narcissistic. I'm out to make as much money as I can and take selfies. Dude, it's a different culture once you get over on the other side of the world. A completely different culture. You know, crime is so low over there because the consequences are swift and severe.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Swift and severe. And also, we talked about this, and I haven't seen a video on this, but we just had this discussion that basically what it used to be like here back in the, you know, 100 years ago was, you know, if you saw somebody throw something on the ground, you'd be like, hey, like four or five people around there, but hey, bro, what did you just do?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And the guy would pick it up and you just kind of that, that, that shame and we're now be like, fuck you mind your own business. But that's not how it is over there.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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The culture over there is completely different. They have something called saving face. over there so they won't disrespect each other and like, you know what I mean? Like call each other out in public and make the loose face. So the cultures are completely different than what American society is over there.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You don't go on social media and talk shit about some, oh, this fucking restaurant sucks. This guy, this fucking guy.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, they have, what are those laws called? Where you defame or defamation. The defamation laws over in Thailand are crazy. Like you can't leave bad reviews on restaurants. You'll go to jail. Straight to jail. It's a completely different operation.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, if you break the law over there, listen, their jail, their jails over there are just like, it's 25 dudes in one room sleeping shoulder to shoulder on a cement floor. No mats, no pillows.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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There's toilet. There's a toilet.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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There's a toilet. It has a hole in the corner of the room in the ground. And that's where everybody just squats over it and takes a dump.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Possession of drugs and like with like distribution and like all that, it's life. Punishable by law. Life. You get life automatic off rip.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And then you got to try and figure out how to get your time down.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Dude, there's no violent crime over there. I mean, listen, it happens. People get murdered. People get assaulted. People get drunk and drive their cars through the front of stores and shit over there. It happens. I'm not saying it's just perfect. It's a utopia. But listen, the amount of violent crime that happens here in the U.S., like just walking to Walmart, I can get killed.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like, you know what I mean? Like somebody can just pull up on me and in the head for no reason. Like you don't have to worry about those things over there in Southeast Asia. Those, those, it's not even a factor. Like you can just leave your purse somewhere.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like if you're at a table at a restaurant, you can leave your purse and go to the bathroom and you can come back and your purse is going to be there with all your money in it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Now they've only tried to get you at the counter and sign up for the credit card.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I can't tell you how many times I've had my purse stolen.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Or your wallet or your phone. And that was in prison. Like your iPhone. Like talking about your iPhone. I can leave my iPhone on the table in a restaurant and I can just go to the bathroom and I can come back and my iPhone's going to be there. Nobody's going to, you know, oh, look, nobody's going to take it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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People still traffic drugs through there. People still do wild, giant, fraudulent, you know, like 20 billion bot frauds. And you see it in the news every day. But what you don't see on the other end of that is how much time those people get in the consequences. You know what I mean? It's insane. Because you never hear from them again.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What happened to Bob? What happened to Bob? I know he was selling drugs. I know he got picked up.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, they just all that all that police brutality should know they do exactly please that's what we do Don't commit crimes It's just accepted issues

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But the problem is that as an American, you need to move there and know that you have an income. Because you're not going to go there and take a Thai job, because if you're taking a Thai job, you're not living in the Congo. Well, you're a foreigner.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, no, they don't let foreigners work.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They don't let foreigners work.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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In general, the jobs there are not paying enough to live like you normally.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, you would have to live like a Thai. So they call it living like the locals. And you can go over there and live like a Thai local, but... you know, they live very, very simple. You know what I mean? Like the Thai people over there, they make about, I think five or $600, five or 600 US dollars a month is a basic salary for a Thai person.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So there's like the haves and the have nots.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They call it a high society. If you go there as an American and you can generate enough, let's say, let's say you do editing work, you know, like Colby could pick up and go there and make himself four or $5,000 Part-time working on a website like Upwork. He could just do that and make $5,000 a month and live like he was in the United States making $100,000. Well, let's say $50,000 a month there.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But he can't go there and take a regular job and maintain that. Not that they were going to let you take a job, but if you're just working like a regular... like a regular Thai person, you're not living in that condo on the 30th floor. So you have to go there as an American and be able to get American wages.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You have to have U.S.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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dollars to live a decent life. You have to have U.S. dollars, U.S. income. A digital, what are they called? A digital nomad.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Or the GBP, the Great British Pound, which is almost twice what the American dollar is against the baht. Okay. No. Oh, yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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dollars?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So $1 is 35 bots. One great British pound is 45, 50 baht. What are bahts? It's a Thai baht. It's their dollar.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It's the currency in Thailand. That's what they call it. They don't call them dollars. They call them baht. Right, right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That's how I know. Okay. But I mean, he's already got cash. He's already been buying the baht.

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I have 30,000 Thai baht physical cash I'm taking over there with me. That was like 900 US dollars was 32,000 baht that I'm taking over there with me.

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This has totally gone off the rails, by the way. We're supposed to be back to it.

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I was going to say, you could cut this and put it at the end. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Can we jump back to... Yeah.

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I didn't know it was going to go off on the rails.

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So what about, yeah, because we're going to do a whole episode. We're going to do a whole episode just on like... We're going to dedicate it to Thailand. Right, just the start of him, how he got to that point, what procedures he went through to kind of figure that out, and then what life is like there, and then what his goal, like the whole thing. We can easily do an hour.

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yeah and this is a good this will be a good space where at the end we're like check out check out mosaic check out six yeah yeah watch zach's old videos right yeah because you can go down you can go down a rabbit hole on time every time he turns it on and i sit down i'm not even sitting on the couch anymore he'll pull up these youtube videos and i sit on the couch and an hour and a half two hours later i'm like the fuck am i doing i just lost two hours watching because i'm so i'm just so like

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yeah like this is amazing and it'd be different if it was one guy but he there's there's eight different guys that he kind of follows it oh check this guy out and he'll click it and boom this guy does this he travels around east asia and just a normal american being a normal american and the guy's making he's got to be making five or six thousand dollars a month just on his youtube channel yeah

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Just traveling around.

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A couple of guys I watch over there from Australia.

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And the Australian dollar sucks against the bot. It's like 22 bot per every one Australian dollar, which is not, it sucks.

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Yeah, they're struggling. Their currency is down. Yeah, they're definitely struggling.

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Should have been doing this.

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That's what the police said The problem is the part of that is that Bozi acts gonna be gone in a couple of weeks Zack may go back to jail for summer God knows why I'm working.

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We'll be here.

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I'm feeling fantastic. which is Zach, uh, Black Zach, or you want to subscribe to Six's channel, which is Six Gear, or you want to subscribe to John Boziak's channel, which is John Boziak, uh, go into the description box. We have the links there. You can click there, go straight there. You can subscribe, and we'll have all of their other social media so you can follow.

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Really appreciate you guys watching. Also, do me another favor. Uh, please consider joining up my Patreon. It's $10 a month. We put Patreon-exclusive content on Patreon. So, and it also really does help us make videos like this. Once again, thank you very much. See ya.

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So how do you get, where do you get the ID?

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Bank Robber Comes Clean on Robbing Armored Truck, Banks & More

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Well, you got really lucky there, huh?

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How old were you at that time?

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So you're doing almost 30 years and you call it your good time. Exactly. So what did what what did happen? Sorry. What did happen with the bank robberies? How did you end up robbing those?

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, you got an extra two for the assault.

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Excuse me? I'll worry when you go out the second night.

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Can I ask you a question real quick?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, it's circumstantial. Like you've just got some people saying.

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And they're not even saying I was there and I saw him. They're just saying, I know he got a car. And that's how I know. Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They like to boast about their 97%, 90% conviction rate.

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I always tell people, look, When the feds come to arrest you, they got your case. They got everything. When the state will think something's wrong, arrest you, and then try and put the case. Good way to put it.

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He goes, arson, by the way, just, just to clarify this arson, people don't realize it. Like you say arson. Cause it's, they don't hear it a lot and they don't, people don't think, okay, he burnt something down. It's serious, serious. Fuck your whole life. I'm told. Yeah. Yeah. I know guys got 15, 20, 25 years for arson. Right. Now to build it. Like,

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All right.

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Probably more money. That would probably require more money than they wanted to.

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You know, it's going to mention one thing. Do you know, um, Jordan Peterson is probably love his stuff. He's a Canadian professor.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And one of the things, one of the classes he teaches, uh, what's like, I think it's like a course that you can buy online anyway, is he talks about, you know, people will approach him and young men will approach him and people approach him and be like, how do you become successful? And he, he, he said, one of the things he says is, well, one, he says, you know, make your bed is the first.

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He's like, will you wake up in the morning? You know, it's like the first, it's a start, right? Yeah. Or baby steps. And yeah, exactly. And the other thing is one of the big things is learn how to write. And people kind of laugh at that. They'd laugh like, Oh, you mean like, and he'd be like, no, no, no. He's like, I mean like how to write an essay, how to write an outline, how to write a book.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Because if you can learn how to write, um, You can program your brain on how to think in a long- That's a good way to put it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And most people can't do it. Most people can write a note. Hey, I'm going to the grocery store. Hey, pick up this. If you say, hey, can you write me an essay about what you do on a daily basis? Can't do it. You're right. Can't do it. And the impact of it is unbelievable.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I get it now, man. It reprograms your brain and it allows it- It teaches you how to think constructively is I think one of the things he says.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What you said is the same thing with me. I actually had to buy and have several books sent in to me to learn how to read those books. That's what I did. I bought the ones that were like how to write a memoir for dummies. I was trapping books all over the place. I'm reading these books and And they were great. You read them and then you start with an outline and you build the outline.

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And before you know it, you don't really need the outline anywhere. I'll still do it. But it's great. And it does. It reprograms you. It's unbelievable. When I was in prison and I started doing that over the course of that six-month period to a year that I taught myself how to write, that's when I think there was just probably a real fundamental change in my thinking. Yeah.

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I have a friend, I won't mention his name, and he did, I want to say, 30 years and went in when he was like 19, 20, young. Did like 30, probably a little bit more than 30 years. And one of his biggest problems now is that he's like, I have no interests other than prison-related interests. Gang activities. It's like, all I want to watch, all I think about, all I want.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I have no interest in anything. And he hates it. He hates it about himself. And he doesn't know how to change it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Failing the U.K. is a massive improvement compared to robbery.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. Yeah. You're good. We're good. Um, do you want, so what, what, what social media platforms do you have? Is it, do you know, like YouTube, you have YouTube? I'm on YouTube.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You're also a kid, though.

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You just have to redirect it.

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So... It's sad. I was like, that's the saddest commercial I've ever seen ever.

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Bent is the story of John J. Boziak's phenomenal life of crime. Inked from head to toe, with an addiction to strippers and fast Cadillacs, Boziak was not your typical computer geek. He was, however, one of the most cunning scammers, counterfeiters, identity thieves, and escape artists alive, and a major thorn in the side of the US Secret Service as they fought a war on cybercrime.

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With a savant-like ability to circumvent banking security and stay one step ahead of law enforcement, Boziak made millions of dollars in the international cyber underworld, with the help of the Chinese and the Russians. Then, leaving nothing but a John Doe warrant and a cleaned-out bank account in his wake, he vanished.

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It was a long time ago. Yeah. Yeah. It's a different world then. Well, But your dad knows, but he's not, he's got his own family.

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So... Well, you go to AA, you can get help, there's support. Like people don't realize back in the 70s and 80s, like there was, you know, there wasn't like a huge, it wasn't a huge amount of awareness. And I don't think, and I think it was frowned upon when my dad in the 70s went to the doctor

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and explain that he would drink and then he would basically drink until he couldn't stop drinking and it would go on for a week straight and he would miss work and then he'd wake up and get sober and wouldn't drink again for six months. The doctor said, you're an alcoholic. He almost got into a fist fight with him. He said, you're an alcoholic. He goes, you're a functioning.

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He goes, you're an alcoholic. He said, you're just not a functioning alcoholic. You don't go home every night and drink and you're okay the next morning. He's like, you drink too. And I forget what the term that they use, but like you said, he drinks till he basically blacks out. And then he's sober for weeks on end. But when...

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the term alcoholic was such a huge insult my mom said literally they almost got into a fist fight in the middle of the uh the of the the patient room because my dad starts screaming at him they start yelling at each other back and forth you know two grown men in the 70s you know they're ready to macho you know come to uh um you know uh start fighting and and so yeah he uh Yeah.

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But I mean, that's the whole thing. Like now, if you said you're an alcoholic, you might be like, no, no, I, you know, it wouldn't be a fist fight. Yeah. But back then it was so ground on. Right. Right. But back then the idea of it, you're ready to start swinging. Yeah. You know, and my dad wasn't a fighter, but I mean, that's, that's like this, this people don't even understand.

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Like if you're in your thirties now and you hear that, you're like, oh, didn't he understand that? Zop, bro. That's a different world in the 70s and 80s than it is now. Nobody cared about your feelings back then.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That's why it's just like she's going, she's cutting her wrist over and over again.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And they're not hospitalizing her. They're not sending out a social worker to see how her child's doing. Like none of that existed. And if it did, it would have to be horrific for them to actually come out and see you. Neighbors would have to be calling. You'd have to be being beaten in sight of everybody for them to come out. They wouldn't even consider that abuse. No.

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Yeah, I was spanked. Yeah? I was spanked multiple times.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What did they do?

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Yeah, I was thinking my sister would scream at my dad and say, I'm going to call. Both my sisters and my brother were adopted. And then my mom went in for a hysterectomy and they found out she was pregnant with me.

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But my sister, my one sister, she was a problem. She used to scream and she'd say, I'm going to go find my real parents. And my dad would say, Your real parents gave you up. Your real parents already decided they don't want you. I mean, just like, you wouldn't say that to a kid now. Like, that's brutal. Or she'd say, you only adopted me so you'd have a slave.

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And he would say, and she'd go, I'm going to call social services. And he'd go, call them.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Call him. Here's the phone. Go live in the projects. He said, you'll be begging to come back here. I mean, this is brutal. You wouldn't say that now. Now people would be like, that's horrible. You can't talk to your child like that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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She was emotionally damaged anyway.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Rob was going to say, now you're...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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a 35 year old woman is not going to be able to control a 15 year old boy right there's just it's too they're just too strong they're too big they're too it's just not going to happen yeah i didn't get i stopped getting beat at 12 right probably 10 12 yeah probably 12 so when do you you eventually you graduate i'm assuming you high school you start working at the the um

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Okay. And raised you.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. Okay. Were you, I mean, were you like a good kid, bad kid?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know it's coming.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Did you know that moving into the place?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So he, is he making good money or just, he's just a regular dealer or?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Okay.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Just enough to keep himself in.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, you're still working, right?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Okay. So now you're, you're when you like, where are you at? Where are you guys getting meth from?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, well, you got guys sitting at the table who were shipping in, you know, 2,000 pounds sitting right next to another guy that, is doing the same amount of time for bringing a gun to a $10 crack deal. And you're like, this is insane.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like it's, you know, you got, you got basically street level dealers sitting next to guys that are smuggling thousands of pounds of whatever meth or Coke or whatever. So yeah, it's, it's, you go in the feds, it's insane. So every, it's, it's all relative. Like to me, are you just making your bills or are you making more, you know, is it, are you making 8,000 month? Are you making,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So you have a good month where you make 50, you have a bad month, you make 30, whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you're not living with your buddy. You're not living at home.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You had said that, like we were talking about your mom, like there were some issues with your mom.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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If you were.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Keep your co-defendants.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, I try, listen, I try not to.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I try not to think about it all the time.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I thought I did.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I wasn't in a good position.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Marshals holdover, yeah, in the county.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I know. So you're selling drugs. How long does this go on?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. People are either walking towards you or walking away from you.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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no dude they're not they're not walking away bro well everybody's coming what i meant was that like in fraud like when it got to be known in in tampa that i was committing fraud on a regular basis then you have your legitimate straight shooter friends or or colleagues that walk the other way when they see you okay and then you have guys that know they may need something or want to get in on whatever you're doing they're there now they're now they're your buddy

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Hey, bro, let's go to lunch. Hey, man, there's a party next Friday. You want to come? Suddenly it's like, well, you never hung out before. But now you find out that I'm regularly committing fraud and you need something. So now we're buddies. Now you start. Now everybody's cozying up to you. They want to be in your circle. Even if they don't need anything right then, people are smart.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They know I may need you. So I'm going to now I'm going to invite you to all the parties. We're going to hang out. I'm saying all good things about you. It's. Yeah, so that's what I mean. But your legitimate guys are like, yo, don't deal with that guy.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, you're a distributor. Now you're just distributing.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right, to the dealer.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You can't hold stuff against me. I didn't even know you.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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She's just a bill.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So what does the chicks say? What do they say? No.

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It's just people helping people.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Symbiotic relationship, right? Like everybody's getting something.

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110 pounds.

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I was going to say, like, it's like, you know, obviously I've read a bunch of stories. Like, there's a story about a guy named Frank Amadeo. Like, he was hospitalized several times. And, like, they couldn't quite understand that he had, you know, like, they didn't really know.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That you've got a kid?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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what bipolar was and he had features of schizophrenia so it's like you know i'm saying like mental illness back in like the 70s and 80s like people don't realize now you know like kids or younger people don't realize now that back in the 70s 80s you know they didn't talk about it they didn't admit to it it wasn't regularly diagnosed it wasn't taught that much so you know

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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3397.111

What does their mother think you're doing at this point? She knows you don't work at the factory.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

3402.014

Okay.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

3536.587

Yeah, yeah, you're going to put more foot, I understand.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

3550.508

Cool.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

360.517

You just have to suffer through it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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3613.878

They're as close as you're going to get.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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3621.821

Because they're both congressmen now.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

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Okay.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

3693.924

No. Stop it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

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I always loved the state lawyers. This is a common scam with state lawyers. The state lawyers will come in. You'll get arrested. They know your charges are gonna go federal. They already know it. Like he got caught with this much or he's got this many co-defendants. We already know the feds are involved. We know the state caught him. It's a conspiracy. We know it's a task force.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

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The feds are involved. We know he got arrested by the locals, but they already know it's going to go federal. And they'll come in. You'll go to them and you'll say, hey, you represented my buddy Jimmy or you represented me on the last charge. And they'll say, listen, I'll represent you. It's $20,000. But if it goes federal, I can't. You'll have to get another lawyer.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

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And you think, oh, it's not going to go federal because you don't know. You've been arrested twice or your buddies have been arrested.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Because you're small time. Right. You think you're small time. You don't realize, well, you've got 30 conspirators and the feds were involved and the DEA was involved. But you're thinking, you don't realize that means. So they always say, so look, if it's state, right, like how much you get caught. Oh, okay. You didn't get caught with tons or anything. No.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, they only got me with like half a pound. You're like, okay, it's probably not even going to go federal. So I'll represent you 20,000 down. But if it goes federal, of course, I can't do anything. Like I'll have to, you'll have to get a federal defense attorney. And they immediately, you say, okay, yeah, no, but it's not going to go federal. It'll never go federal. It's fine. It's fine.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

3794.672

They already know there's a 95 percentage going federal. So what do they do? That's just a cash grab. I can keep the 20. Oh, that 20 is gone. Well, give me 20 back. No, no. You signed this paper saying you don't get the 20 grant, the 20 back.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

3832.842

Where does he think some guy who just got arrested for drugs? This dude knew what I was doing. He knew what I was doing.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

3838.223

They know it's drug money or they know it's fraud money.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

3853.547

What an idiot. That's just dumb.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

3858.028

Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

3875.233

There doesn't have to... Nobody really... I've seen cases where nobody got caught with anything. But they start rolling over on each other. What are you going to do? I'm going to go to jail and three guys are going to fucking testify against me. And I wasn't caught with anything. They weren't caught with anything. But they're all going to roll over on me. And there's no drugs in evidence anywhere.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

3893.485

Maybe a small amount somewhere. And they're charging you with fucking 10 kilos. And you're like... There's no drugs. I wasn't caught. They weren't caught. Because they add the shit up.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

3952.825

Right. Let's go back to... We're jumping all over. Let's go back to the two girlfriends are taking care of Angel.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

3962.407

Okay.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

3991.982

Did you immediately think it was cutting?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

4047.687

You didn't know that was coming?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

4074.414

This is a massive heart attack.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

413.345

Yeah, that's your addiction. That's your retreat.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

4225.872

Where's Angel's mom? Is she in the picture at all?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

4229.133

Okay.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

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Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

4358.04

So how does that come about?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

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One, I go to the bathroom. Okay. So we know you're about to tell how you got arrested, right? Yeah. Okay. Sorry. You want to go to the bathroom? Go ahead. I mean, they didn't just show up at your door one day. There was a CI. There was a whole thing, right? Like your name had to be mentioned. They didn't randomly pick your house out.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

438.56

It beats not riding your bike to their house.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

4405.743

Oh, they're watching. Right, but I'm saying, did somebody else get busted? Was there a controlled buy? Or your name just got mentioned?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

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Yeah, yeah. I just don't want, I just don't forget. No, I'm not going to forget. Yeah, yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

4428.228

It's like one day somebody said, oh, a drug dealer lives there. They said, let's go bust him tomorrow morning.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

4472.955

Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

4473.435

There's no menage a trois going on.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

4475.877

It's a pain in the ass, to be honest. You know what? It sounds good, but it's honestly, it's just bumpy and awkward.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

4488.663

It's like having sex in the shower. It sounds good.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

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Right. Were you committee? Were you doing anything like you weren't at 16, 17? You weren't you were just going to high school, not like committing crimes.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

4533.681

You get to the neighbors. And you think that they're coming to arrest you? Just like that?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

4548.371

This isn't a burglar.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

4598.859

No reason for you to sit in your underwear and handcuffs.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

4641.991

You're still in your underwear.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

4750.891

Is it wrong that I want to know? Are these boxer briefs?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

4754.512

Okay, thanks. Boxers. Just for the mental picture. All right, so it's not that bad.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

4802.494

Is this a phone call or an in-person? Phone call. Okay.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

4807.309

Do you have any idea this has been going on?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

4811.31

Nothing. Okay. No warning.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

4843.2

It ends right then.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

4852.485

Do you know it's him? Oh, no, it's him.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

4900.192

Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

4902.913

So... He's on the tape or he's locked up with you? He's locked up. So they grabbed you all at the same time?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

4987.93

Marshal holdover.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

5023.132

You know how many times I've heard that?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

5024.732

You know how many times I've said that?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

5052.779

They don't have anything.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

5105.895

It's funny, the same guys that will rip you off for what they owe you don't want you to tell on them. Oh, you snitching on me? You owe me 40 grand. Fuck you. Cut your fucking throat.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

512.125

Right. So you graduate high school, did you?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

5163.223

Never lived anywhere but California.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

5171.385

Yeah. Now, if you were cooperating, of course, you would probably get bail.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

5177.146

I didn't get bail.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

5295.244

What's happened to your house?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

5299.024

Oh, okay. What about all your stuff?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

53.568

You're preaching to the choir.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

5352.582

You were a headache when I was out and I had money.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

5365.988

Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

5367.569

Oh, that's the worst.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

5370.072

I ain't stressing no more, bro. That's what they call the stress box.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

5372.714

I forgot that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

5454.398

What about the grandmother?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

5468.622

What about the ex-wife?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

5570.68

I think your lawyer would make some phone calls, I think.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

5601.121

Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

5602.781

This is the phone number I call. The guy meets me with some what the fuck.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

5610.523

And everybody's already been picked up.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

5613.104

Are they already cooperated?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

5725.259

Yeah, you see the guys get sentenced and they're gone two, three weeks, yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

5875.217

So it was what, three pounds? Ended up being three pounds of actual meth?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

5890.472

Did they test it?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

5895.554

They just said, okay, we'll drop that charge down.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

5898.776

Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

5922.414

So when you walked in front of the judge, they said what, how much?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

5926.618

Okay, but I'm saying what was the time?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

5931.282

Well, you're saying 58 months.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

5939.58

No, no, I'm saying before you got a downward departure, was it like 10 years and they knocked off 40% or 50%?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

5949.331

Okay. So, so your, your sentencing, your pre-sentence report said 12 years, you got it down to about nine and then they dropped it to just shy of five years. Yeah. Okay.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

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You're preaching to the choir. I'm with you. I hear you. You did the right thing. Trust me.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

6028.466

Listen, did you not hear the whole time you were locked up? Like, I just want to get sentenced and go to prison.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

6034.351

And it never made sense to me. Prison was much worse than this. The guys were like, are you fucking serious? Prison is a fucking joke compared to this.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

6043.999

Guys are like, you know what I'm saying? I'm gonna hit the compound that night. I'm gonna have a fucking ice cream. I'm gonna have, you're like, what? Ice cream?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

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It's crazy. Like, it's amazing from being out here, how low your expectations get of life in the county jail. You're like, if I could actually have a TV of my own, like I would hear about guys in California got their own TV.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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that's insane you have your own tv like we you know you would have the tv you'd write down like i want to watch this program on sunday night and then you'd have to write down and other guys be like nah fuck that we're watching such and such you didn't write it down you know oh my god they're like i'm watching such and such and you're like okay i guess you're watching such and such thank you i'll make sure i write it down next week

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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6168.542

Oh, yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

6171.725

You're in the fucking bus, these guys. These guys look like fucking gladiators. They're cut up. They got bullet holes in them. They're missing eyes. They're like this the whole time with the box on. They got a box on. They're like this the whole time. You can tell the camp guys are just like.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

6189.466

No. Bro, I'm not even pretending to be hard.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

6206.498

But I've thrown some of you. Those nails look manicured. Ah!

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

6324.9

There's no hard camp.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

6327.502

There's shitty camps.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

6332.784

But they're also not politicking. They're not wanting to check people's paperwork. None. Come on.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

6442.381

You're not getting out to nothing.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

6503.04

Not in the camp? Not in Coleman. I mean, I was never in Coleman, but I know guys that are in Coleman. Yeah. they're not doing anything. Well, the only, I know that camps, when they move you from camp to camp, they give you like a bus ticket.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know, like, but no, I don't know anybody that's ever like gone for like a week or a weekend. What year is this? By the way, this is also California, right? Okay. You know what I'm saying?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

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So he's saying that he worked in the kitchen because in the kitchen, you can get extra food. You can sell food. You smuggle food out. You get to sell it. That's your hustle.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

6639.512

Hot wings. Wednesday, hamburger day.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

6648.614

I don't remember what... We used to get hamburgers on Wednesdays. It's good stuff. Hamburgers and french fries.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

6753.325

Yeah, yeah, you can't. Yeah, it's got to go to a list. Well, yeah, and even if you call foster care, it's going to go to a system. You've got to push seven. Well, I can't push seven because you have to answer the call. Right, right. The phone system doesn't answer the call.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

6839.174

Oh, what, she didn't want to tell you?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

6841.216

Okay.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

6859.217

What about, so why did grandma say she called foster? Did they just show up? What happened?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

6865.338

Okay.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

6876.447

I get it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

6879.95

That's the most important thing.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

6918.143

I hear you.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

6935.093

How old was he at this point? Six, seven?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

6942.398

Okay.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

697.981

Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

699.222

That's what I would say I'm doing here, grinding, I'm just grinding out podcasts. Yeah, I mean, it's just... Did you get married? Did you?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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7017.35

I don't care what you say. Yeah, yeah. It's irrelevant. She didn't have to be nice to me.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

7024.952

And you have to think about what she sees.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

7027.353

She, she didn't, she didn't see a lot of fucking winners walking through the door. You know, she didn't see a lot of people that a lot of people promise big, you know, I'll bet she's seen thousands of people come in there and see and say, Oh, I'm going to do this. I'm gonna do that and do that. And next thing you know, they're back in prison or they're back on drugs or shit.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

7041.356

They don't even hear them for fear from them for two years.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

7044.717

She's, she's seen the worst.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

7125.791

Yeah. Yeah, he can't get you a job. His brothers can't get you a job. They're 400 miles away.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

7190.849

Yeah. I mean, why not?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

7194.912

Yeah, yeah. I would just say you had noticed just before you left that he had some issues, but you didn't really know where it was.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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7202.417

Yeah. Cool. I'll grab it. Well, okay. It's in the fridge. Chest height, the... In the back.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

7221.19

I had to sit up straight.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

7387.785

Why was she there? Just to see him?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

7418.533

How long does it take for you to get him back?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

743.716

Five kids in that whole grouping.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption

7718.629

Was she saying I get drunk like I drink too much? Or was she saying like sometimes I drink too much?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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7738.001

Right. Well, if you're telling me that in the first 10 minutes. We haven't hit the movies yet. It's probably more than sometimes. I get a little drunk. It sounds like sometimes you black out drunk.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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7854.427

Does she know you just got out of prison?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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7862.352

No, it's never worked out for me when I've let out.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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7934.614

Yeah, it doesn't scream success.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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7964.56

No ankle monitor. No ankle monitor. Okay, because that's hard to explain on a date.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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7975.627

That's my wife. Very trusting.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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sister or something i mean i i'm sure i could have stayed with my sister i wouldn't dare ask to stay with my sister we don't have that kind of relationship like i i'm not gonna ask her for anything uh i don't mean like i don't know i i guess at the time at that time we didn't have a great relationship i i don't think um but uh i had a bro like yeah i had a brother and a sister but i i wouldn't have asked them like i i like i had been enough of a burden

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, you didn't. I, you understand. I, I spent every single day at the halfway house, seven months and change at the halfway house, just working, spending no money. You know how, I don't know if the house by house, you guys have, so, you know, at the halfway house that they, so they, they give you breakfast. You can pay extra if you want like eggs and things like that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Or you can just get the basic breakfast they give you. Like you get like a cereal, oatmeal. That's it. I get cereal and oatmeal. Lunch, same thing. If you want a hamburger, you can pay extra for a hamburger. Or this is what they give you. And listen, honestly, not bad. I'll take that. Like I didn't pay the extra 375 for this or the extra eight bucks for this because I didn't have any money.

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And even when I did get, I actually got lucky and I got a check in for something I'd optioned. So I did get money, but that money, I bought a vehicle and paid a year's worth of insurance and the money was gone. The money's gone. So I didn't have extra. And even when I was, I was building up money, of course, you know, I'm putting money away.

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But to me, it's like, okay, well, if I want to spend an extra eight bucks a day, well, eight bucks a day times the amount of time that, see what I'm saying? Like you started adding up. Okay. Well, that's an extra 400 and some odd dollars. And the truth is I'm okay with cereal.

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For me. Right. But I mean, even when you started working, like the money goes in my.

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They took 25% for me. I worked. Luckily, I worked every hour you were available to leave the halfway house. I worked. But when you did the math, it was minimum wage. So it was still a chunk. But it was cool to get away. Whatever you could do. You can pay me nothing.

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And just let me stay out of the halfway house.

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It was so loud. So many people always yelling and screaming and having to clean or this and that. You can't sleep. You can't do anything.

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Because they did with us. You can, but... But keep in mind, it has to be someplace that has like a phone. They have to go and they check it out and all these things. And, you know, like I don't really have anywhere I want to go or go. And I can work on Saturday or Sunday. Of course, whatever I need to get done on Sunday, I'll do that. And, you know, there was no reason to do that.

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And that seemed... No, it didn't. It didn't. There were lots of people that did it. And then of course, everybody also wants to get, they also want to get on ankle monitor and go home. Right? Like my wife went home immediately.

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yeah when i had my place every halfway house is different yeah they didn't have that they didn't have pay extra you didn't pay extra for anything see like in in miami and orlando like everybody will talk about like the halfway house and supposedly in like um um oh god ocala like everybody's like bro it's sweet like you don't understand like the first week they'll give you a weekend pass they give you this they give you that

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It was extremely hard. And I would have much rather stayed in prison and done the seven extra months in prison than having gone there. But I knew I needed to go to the halfway house because I needed to make money. I needed to save money.

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Oh, no.

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I got to see my kids. But it's different, too. I have nobody to get out to. My mom came to see me every two weeks anyway. And honestly, I didn't get to... The only way I was able to...

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um see my mom was to basically bullshit them you know my my job would run interference for me they'd say oh yeah he's here he's here but they would send me they'd say i'd call in and i'd say hey i gotta go pick up this across town and then they go okay we'll call us when as soon as you get back and then i drive and go see my mom for two hours and come back like just you know what the bullshit you have to do to get around the pricks let me let me tell you something me and my ex-wife lucy

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You good? Yeah. It's okay. Take your time.

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Hey, this is Matt Cox and I'm here with John Rodriguez. We're going to be hearing his crime story and also about his son. I appreciate you coming on. Thank you. Thank you.

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Wait till he gets signed off by Brad.

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Are you telling me they're not thrilled that their daughter is dating a guy that just got out of prison for drugs? A drug conspiracy?

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It wasn't on their list. You didn't check all the boxes?

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I never have been.

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They didn't say, wow, exactly what we were hoping for.

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You didn't have 40 grand for a fucking wedding.

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Is she... And she's got, what, two kids, you said? She's got two kids. They live with her?

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Now I think, now I know why your wife's nervous.

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It actually took a while before I figured that out.

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Well, it's working out so far. We'll see if it just keeps going. I got to keep grinding.

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Yeah, well, people get out of prison. They get frustrated. They get, you know, people like they think they have entitlement issues. They think that they're owed something. And no, no, no. You just got out of prison, bro. You're starting at the bottom, you know. And you got to be willing to suck it up and put your pride aside and take some shit and work your ass off.

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And if you do that, then good things will happen.

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I appreciate you coming by. Thank you. Thanks for coming out here. I really appreciate it.

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So let's, you know, we've, we've, we talked a little bit about, we've talked about the story and can you, let's just start, you know, start at the beginning. Like where were you born, your family, parents, brothers, sisters?

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All right. Well, I appreciate it. I appreciate you coming by.

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Hey, I appreciate you guys watching. Do me a favor. If you like the video, hit the subscribe button, hit the bell, and leave a comment in the comment section. And thanks for checking us out on Father's Day.

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When she goes to the hospital with her wrist cut, do they, like, bake her, act her? You know, like, do they hold her for three days?

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I was charged with transactions of an unregistered securities dealer or salesman. And in today's world, it doesn't even exist any longer. Guys like Cardone are raising money on Instagram. The internet has completely transformed the way that securities are looked at. Everybody was a criminal raising millions of dollars, you know, driving expensive cars.

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And then it was never a case of me leaving or wanting to leave. It was me trying to figure out how can I best insert myself into this problem, if you will. He wanted to be, I'm not sure about yours, but he wanted to be like dad of the year. He wanted to be proud, you know, and I was his only son. And so it was like, you know, let me show you how we do things. Let me show you around here.

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And, you know, now looking back, like you said, he's a jackass. I would go with my dad, you know, when pay phones and beepers existed and You know, that was the good days where he'd go and he'd collect, you know, you'd go to a certain store, go to a certain pay phone.

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And all of a sudden, you know, here I am in the front seat and people would just open up my door and it was, you know, cash and envelopes and duffel bags and things. And, you know, all the accoutrements, if you will, you know, from place to place. And I'm, you know, six, seven, eight, nine, 10, 11, 12 years old, just growing up with this.

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And so it's, it's funny that you look back now and people go, Oh my gosh, you've got every reason to be on Jerry Springer tomorrow. Right. Like your dad's bringing you with him on collections.

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Correct. No, no, no. And I'm in the front seat, right? Like, why wouldn't you be, you know, but it was, it was everything, you know, the three 57 was here and the bat was there and it was, you know, the toys were here and the taser was there.

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Yeah, you're fine. You're fine. Fine. Fine, yeah. Men have two options, right? We're either sick or we're fine. Yeah. That's it. That's it. You can't complain about it. But yeah, man, no, behind closed doors, it was rough.

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It was about 15. But again, I realized how could I, I tried to realize how do I put myself in that situation? So it started out with nightclubs.

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I was a big guy, you know, we lifted and then he had a buddy that ran a nightclub. And so here you are at 15 and he was like, you want to work the door? Okay. I knew if I worked the door that I'd have visibility on him. And then I'd be able to just like almost look into the future and goes, it's going to be a good night or a bad night. Right.

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You know, my dad was an addict, you know, was involved in organized crime and mom was trying to take us to church on Sundays and figure out how, how do you take the ideas of, you know, secular religion and pour them into this individual that you're married to and you love coupled with, you know, a massive addiction. Yeah.

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But I knew if I worked the door and I had visibility on him, I knew that my mom and my sisters would be all right. Totally crazy when you say it out loud now, but when you're that young makes a boatload of sense. I'll give you one step further with the door. Everybody at the door gives you the cover.

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And so the guy that owned the bar was like, hey, the people that don't come in are the guys that don't have this blue card. Okay, I don't know what that means, but whatever. You know, it was one of the, you know, a friendly club, if you will. Only people that are allowed in, you know, get in. Okay, well, a lot of guys wanted to get in, and so they would pay a lot of money to get that card.

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So then I go, well, you know, come back, give me a call, we'll figure it out. And it became my hustle. You know, 200 bucks later, you know, I go talk to the owner. This is the guy that wants in. Okay, write down his information on his driver's license and bring it to me. So I'd bring it to him, and then two or three weeks later, they're like, yeah, if he comes back around, he can come in.

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And it was $200 to me and $200 to me. So he gets a phone call, hey, show up Tuesday night. Right, exactly. I got you. Right, so-and-so's good. So-and-so's, they're okay. And so here I am, you know, making $1,000 a week in cash, you know, running the door. What year is this? Oh, golly. This is...

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A ton of money.

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Correct. Yeah. And it's right before you get your driver's license. So all you're thinking about is the vehicle. That money allowed me to go get the truck I wanted. You know, this big black lifted Dodge Ram, you know, 36 inch wheels and loud as hell, you know? And so then it became this stereotype. I'm, this is who my dad was. You know, he was a,

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known individual relatively violent i pulled up you know it started to kind of coalesce together it was if i can live in this world but not become him then i can kind of sort of protect you know what goes on at home do you go to college do you go on to college yeah for sure and your father wanted you to go to college or he wanted me to do what he wanted to do right what he was doing yeah yeah

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I knew that. So, so when, when, when, when the straw finally broke for him, my mom wanted to leave and she did, it got ugly. Like it always does. It turns into, you know, financial and what do you owe me? And what am I going to pay? And then you play the game of, I don't make any money. And you know, well, if you don't make any money, how do you afford the house?

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You know, this whole thing unravels just nasty, right? It's just horrific. And he was sitting in the room and that's when he, you know, he opens up his arms and he's like, you know, this is the reason that we're here. You know, he explained, he walked me through that. So I knew I didn't want to go down that path.

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And so for me, it was never a choice of, you know, I didn't drink because I didn't do drugs because I didn't fill in the blank. I saw what it brought, the pain it brought to my family. So I had like the perfect example of what not to do. Right. So I tried to do the right things. For me, it was all right. I knew that I had the ability to sell.

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I knew I had the ability to, you know, earn and work, but I had to do it the right way. And so I was definitely going to go to college.

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Yeah, just everything in general, everything in general, you know, back in the day, I think, you know, before Twitter existed, you could get away with some stuff. You know, it was really just neighborhood type stuff that everybody talks about. You know, it was hard loans here and it was collections there. And there was never really a nine to five job.

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And actually, and I have no patience with people that drink, which is very weird because... While they're drinking or when they get to the point where you know that they shouldn't be?

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Everybody just kind of had a hustle and, you know, worked for a guy here and worked for a guy there, drove somebody around, pick things up. So he didn't have like a regular job. No, no real regular job during those years. So there was always duffel bags of cash. I remember it vividly. Two things about him was always a red duffel bag of cash and the fanny pack.

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For the judge, he said, you should have known better. And as a result, I'm going to make an example out of you. Where were you born? Boston, outside of Boston, Framingham. Yeah, that was my quintessential childhood years. Okay. You know, there up until eighth grade.

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Yeah, no tolerance for it.

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And the fanny pack is where he walked around with his is addict tools. That was, you know, the growing up years was trying to figure out, you know, you go to church on Sunday and you'd sit there in church and you'd go, man, what kind of monster are we going to walk into after church? Is it good? Is it bad? Sometimes he'd be there with chicken on the stove and he'd be vacuuming.

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But it goes back to that's why. You know why.

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They all can pinpoint 10, 11, 12, 13, 14.

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We'll call him Thumbtack. Paper cut. That's a good one. I'll be in the comments section, Colby.

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Parents are divorcing and mom is finally, we go through the whole, like just the horrible stuff, right? Like you lose the house because dad's a jerk and, you know, we're living in the minivan and house hopping and, you know, going from friends at the church's houses, you know, as my mom's going to school to become a teacher and she's like delivering pizzas at night prior to.

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And other times he'd be, you know, completely strung out walking around with a three 57 in his hand. Yeah.

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Been there. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. We had a two-story house, and I'd be at the top of that two stories, right? And just, you know, you'd be looking over metal rails when they were a thing like in the 80s and 90s, right? And you could see into their bedroom. They had these two doors, and you'd just hang out there. I'd just hang out there perched like... What's going on? Is he going to pop off?

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Is it? And then if it did, you know, he'd come out and we just, the first thing like he would destroy the Halloween ornaments, you know, and the little ghost at the front door is shattered. And next thing you know, it's like the palm tree plant that was there.

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And, and then sure enough, just like you said, then it was just like, all right, everybody gather their things and we're going to go to, you know, aunt Susie's house or group.

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you know grandma's house or yep down the stairs you'd go into the minivan and you know then of course like the incessant calling would begin when he became sober i'm super sorry it'll never happen again you know it was because you know i was watching hogan's heroes and it really got me fired no but yeah i'm gonna let everybody go in the basement i promise you

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oh my god and then and you know then we'd all go back home and then it was you and i dad of the year right he was like we're gonna go to the gym and we're gonna talk about protein and then we're gonna hit 7-eleven pick up some money and then we're gonna get slurpees then we're gonna go to church and then we're gonna beat people up for some more money and then we're gonna come home we're gonna make rotisserie chicken and grab some pizza and then we're gonna leave it like midnight with a bat and go pick up some more money and come back and

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Why they did it. Wow. Over and over and over and over. But it... I don't know about you, but all of that, even to this day, is what makes me great, self-aware. I think I'm amazing. I know. Thank you. We're both amazing. Not everyone else does. That's okay. But, but, but think about it, right? Like your idea of probably showing up is probably similar to mine. Like I have to be here.

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If I said I'm going to do something, I'm going to do something.

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I can't, I don't ever, you'll never have to tell me that I did a worse job than I think I did.

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Same story, man. Yes. So I look at some of those things and this, you know, you don't want to know one that sticks with me forever. Here I am in the front seat. We're doing collections, right? Like running around Boston turnpikes, like psychopaths. We get off the turnpike and we're, and we're turning right. And this car's coming like they always are.

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His car's coming this direction that their blinker on, they're going to turn past us. And he looks at me one of those sober moments. And he's like, the guy with his blinker on, you can never trust those people. Right. He was like, and so the story was, you know, here you are, you're eight. You're like, I'm just trying to eat my hostess, bro. Like, I don't even know what's going on right now.

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Right. I don't even have a seatbelt on. His story as you got older was if you pull out in front of this guy, your excuse is going to be, he had his blinker on. You can't trust him to know what he's doing. He's an idiot. And he would have these euphemisms all day long. And now that I look back and I have kids of my own, I laugh. One of the funniest ones, I tell it to my kids.

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it's horrible bro you're like nine years old right like and he has all of these like one liners one at a time one and now they all start to come out you know you're like geez louise at some points like you said funny charismatic sales 101 like good father like wanted to tell you these stories but was just a complete disaster and couldn't get out of his own way yeah

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You're going to grow up, and you're going to make a ton of money, and you're going to marry this beautiful girl, and she's going to get this great little minivan, and your neighbor's going to hate you. You're going to grow up. You're going to make no money. You're going to be a drug addict and a degenerate, and you're going to marry this ugly girl, and your neighbor's going to hate you.

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So just be the first guy.

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Who's on first? But literally, you start to run through all these things. Now, I giggle about them because you're older and you can look back and you can remove yourself from the psychosis of what was childhood and go, oh, I think what you meant to say in your drug-induced verbiage was... Oh, you were looking out for me, I do believe. Yeah, that was your version of a life lesson.

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Oh, totally, right? All of them. But yeah, it was interesting. So that was the story. That was like the foundation. But I can't tell you how much it's helped me from the beginning. It was the foundation. That was the foundation, bro. The foundation was exciting. But, yeah, mom got away from him, thank God. You know, she never fell into any of the lifestyle, if you will.

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She wanted to make sure the kids were good. That was her focus. So she delivered pizzas, and we couch-hopped until she saved up enough money, and we got an apartment, two-bedroom, you know, four kids. And that was like her, like, I've made it moment. Like, ooh, here we go. Yeah, so I tried to take the path less traveled.

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Going to school the whole time. Yep. The whole time. Yep. The start to me and my sisters, you know, it was just life as usual when you left the house. You know, we walked to school, we had good neighborhood relationships, barbecues, you know, literally the, you know, your analogy was spot on. Leave it to Beaver. Yeah. You know, it was true.

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Went to college, started college, and then actually went on a mission for my church. Okay, so you started college? Correct. Or you completed college? No, you just start, and then you go on the mission for two years, and then you come back and complete college. You go on a mission from 19 to 21.

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Knocking on doors. Yep.

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Knocking on doors 101. But, you know, it's so funny. You look at this, you have 400 boys from 19 to 21 on a mission in an area, if you will. And all of the things that were like negative about the upbringing were why it was good. So when you'd show up and you'd knock on a door and I'd be like, oh, oh, there's abuse going on here. Like, bro, I could smell it from the gate, from the beginning.

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And so when you start to just meet people, it was like most of the time you come across people in dire situations. Tough spots, rock bottom, we call it, right? Whatever that means in today's world.

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I'm like, I've been here. And so what was wild was like, for me, that mission experience was healing for me Because I was able to go and show people you can be broken, but you're still going to be all right. Right. And that was interesting to be able to use all of the stories because you show up in a white shirt and tie. Yeah. You know, you're 19, you're clean cut.

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You're typically good looking, typically, you know, small areas. What year is this? This is two. This is ninety nine to oh one.

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Yeah.

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Well, you see him from your ring camera. You don't even go outside. You don't even go. No, no. Yeah. You do like, we have a little dog bark on the ring camera, you know. Yeah, so it was two years of just, you know, opportunity to tell people, like, my story that I didn't know I was telling, right? Because here you are, and you sit down with people, and you look perfect. Childhood, right?

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Just like yours and mine. And then they'd go, ah, yeah, but I just don't know. Like, dad does drugs. And you'd be like... And then all of a sudden the floodgates would open. They'd be like, what? Tell me more. But you're here because you're perfect. No, no, no. Check it out, bro. No, we're here because we're broken. We're here because we're a mess.

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And that's what I would tell people unbeknownst to me. You know, this time you didn't have any training. It was just like, go knock doors, go figure it out and tell people the story. Okay. Sounds like a plan. And for me, it was two years to get away and actually like walk through the trauma that was my entire childhood. And so you'd get these kids from broken homes.

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You get these like parents that couldn't figure it out. And here you are, you're like a therapist at 19 sitting on people's couches. Like, no, tell me why you keep going back to the bar, Matt. Like, you know, you've got the same result on Wednesday, right? You know, it was so interesting. They're like, how do you know this? Well, I grew up with this for the last 20 years.

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Did you marry the pretty girl? Yes, yes. Yes, I did marry the pretty girl. Married way above me. Good gracious, way above me. I didn't even have anything at that time. I just was a good salesman if I... He's convinced her. Oh, golly. This is the right call. This is the right move for you.

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Yeah, you want to know this funny story. I call Melissa, my wife, and so I call her. Her nickname is June. It's June Cleaver. True story. True story. I'm like, okay, June. She's perfect. She fits in that perfect little mold. We couldn't be further opposites.

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It's a good one. It's a good one. But yes. Yeah, yeah, so go, you know, finish college. And for me, it was like continuing to quote unquote do, you know, whatever he didn't do, do the right thing, whatever that is, right? You know, as you're a kid trying to figure that out. But yeah, all the good stuff.

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So I got into the world of high stakes finance, hedge funds, money, all the fun stuff, investments.

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and uh for me it was a numbers game you know growing up with him i didn't realize you know all of these things were math and that's it was just he immersed me in it you know for literally from a young age you know you'd get in our garage we had money counters right like that was normal right didn't everybody you know like right we had the old the big like 200 pound coin one that's

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and it would go like quarters, nickels, dimes, and pennies into the old cloth bag. You'd tie them up. Like, yeah, of course, everybody has those. I mean, you know.

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Yeah. It's got to be horrible. That's how you cut your teeth though. It's like the modern day, like door knocking guys. Right. The solar or the windows or all the guys that come around.

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great call tell you cut your teeth though in the industry yeah yeah my dad had a you'll love this story my dad had a uh commercial space and um there's tvs everywhere old school tvs like the big tubes that you have to like hang up and screw into the wall and everything disco balls hanging from the ceiling well, this is random.

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So what I was just going to the front, there's like two offices in the front. He had this secretary named Debbie. She wouldn't, she was bigger than your table. And he'd always, that was always his thing. Like, oh yeah, you got to have just an obese secretary. That way you never want to bang her. It's just a headache. It's a headache. Like you're 10.

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Like, oh yeah, you never want to bang your secretary, dude. Like, okay, just make sure she's just massive. Like, Literally like, okay, fourth grade, moving on. And so you eventually like grow up, make your way into the back and you're like, what in the world is going on here? And it was like 40 black girls back there.

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They're coming through the roll-up door, getting dropped off from like the bus stop and picked up in the van. And this is how long ago it was. They were selling porn tapes over the phone. And so he created this company called Professional Management Solutions and And so he'd sell you a baker's dozen, you know, back in the day when you had a VHS and a DVD and all that fun stuff.

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But the kick was, as soon as you picked up the phone, it was, hey, Matt, this is Kimmy with PMS. And that's what would happen. And then I got you. And then it turned into a conversation. I was like, that's the type of stuff he, he had that stuff. I mean, more of those types of industries and wacky ideas than I can shake a stick at. And it was just, you grew up in it.

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And I'm like, okay, here we are. We're just sales 101. I guess that's what we're learning here. Sort of. Um,

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Yeah, he had tons of those, man. Oh, I can give you stories after stories. He had this diamond saw blades, you know, back in the day. They'd call contractors. They'd give them the saw for free if they bought like a dozen saw blades with it. And then he had a whole other crew that would go out.

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Yeah, throwing them in the river. Yeah. Throwing them in the river. Yeah, so you get them delivered. And then all of a sudden you go to, you know, your truck on Monday morning and your blades are gone. They're stolen. They're tossed in the river. So now you got to call... And you got to reorder. Okay. It was a scheme, start to finish. I can give you these all day long.

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It was just one after the other, after the other, after the other. It was just like, hey, man, if you just put your energy into... Yeah, something legit. Something like that. You could probably keep some of this money. You'd probably crush it. Probably crush it. You'd probably do really, really well. But yeah, no, it was always, always left, right, and center. So...

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Yeah, I came back, cut my teeth on the financial services industry, and then wanted to start my own gig. And my own gig was 2007. So I wanted to hang my own shingle, raise my own money, build my own fund, do all of that, all of that that everybody dreams of. And it was good. You know, we, we raised a lot of money, a lot back in 2007, over a hundred million.

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Through the roof. Rocket ship, baby. Yeah, it was interesting times, that's for sure. Yeah, set up a fund. Registered.

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Yeah. This is the safest thing you're looking at. Yeah, no, we actually, we did well on the fund. So knock on wood for that. I didn't have any issues raising and have any issues deploying capital or creating an investment. It was good. Yeah, that's not what I'm concerned about. No, no, no. No, that always comes back around.

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Yeah, so I got 2007, quarter four to 2008, quarter three, we raised a significant amount of money. Shut that fund down when the world went to hell in a handbasket or was about to return the investor dollars and then deployed into a different strategy. State of Arizona came and said... hey, buddy, so we should have had those regulation dollars.

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$99,000.

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Oh, I thought you said that. What the fuck are you talking about? Yeah, it'd be tough for the dollar store people. Yeah, $99,000. And I had 66 of them. You open up the company. Yep.

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Correct. OK. And in today's world, it doesn't even exist any longer. Guys like, you know, Cardone are raising money on Instagram. So those securities laws are so far antiquated now that you can now send people peer to peer lending. And, you know, the Internet has completely transformed the way that securities are looked at.

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But the simplest way I explain it to folks is is like the medical marijuana thing. Craze. I call it goofiness. You can go to a particular state like Oregon. You and I could smoke all the weed that we never wanted to smoke. We couldn't put it in the back of a U-Haul and drive it to California. The moment you do. Federal. It's gone. You're done. So how much money did you raise? Millions. Millions.

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In that state, over 3 million. Okay. So anything over 99,000 in that state to the tune of just over 3 million. Yeah.

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The equivalent, correct. Yeah. Yeah. They show up and they just indict me. I'd just been indicted. No questions asked? Nothing. I wasn't even arrested.

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Yeah. Three guys, one in a suit, two in vinyl jackets that had nothing to say. And the one guy handed me a thesaurus of paperwork. And that was it. It was literally an indictment. They didn't read me my Miranda rights. They didn't take me into custody. They didn't raid the house. You know, none of that fun stuff that you see, you know, all over HBO or Showtime.

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Correct. Okay. Yes.

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That's what they want you to do. It's a shakedown. It's a shakedown. Yeah. And I was so ignorant at the time and so egotistical, if you're being honest. I drove downtown. And I was like, hey, who's this guy that, like, you know, this attorney on the top corner? So I go to the building. The lady, you know, she's there. She's behind the bulletproof glass. And I'm like, hey, can I talk to this guy?

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So, yeah, I think those are, you know, whether you read psychological books or, you know, you recall it, those are like your childhood years you remember. But it was really the tale of two cities with mom and with dad. You know, that behind the walls of the house where everything looks good at the white picket fence, that's really where you start to figure out what life is about.

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And I do the, like, this guy right here. And she's looking, she's looking, she's looking, she's looking. And she goes, oh, sweetheart, you should go get an attorney. Right. He's not talking to you. Yeah. I was like, oh, this is for real, for real. Right. I'm not misunderstanding this. No, no, no, no. And I thought it was a misunderstanding.

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Like, no, we're just going to pay a few dollars and just kind of move on.

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100%, correct. You're totally spot on. Right. Yep, totally spot on. Securities laws were just that way. And a lot of it came from the 07, 08, the Dodd-Frank, all of the paperwork bullshit that everybody believed was relevant at the time to protect people. You know, Countrywide went away and Bank of America, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

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Banks were just being eroded left, right, and center, you know, during the quote-unquote Great Recession. They were going away. Lehman Brothers got locked up. You know, it was, everybody was a criminal, you know, who didn't do everything that they said or should do. So I was a poster child.

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You know, here you are, some, you know, young 20-year-old kid in my early 20s, raising millions of dollars, you know, driving expensive cars, living the life, if you will. And I remember I walked into one of the very first meetings, because still, I hadn't been arrested. So you're still running the company. You're still running the company. I still have my investments. You know, I'm married.

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My wife and I have things going on. So life is continuing day to day. And, you know, the attorney general's office wants to sit down with you. They want to have conversations because they've got nothing but time and money. And I get into this elevator, and it was me, my two attorneys, and there was one guy who had met us there from the AG's office.

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And he was about my age, maybe a little bit older, but about my age. And this was the first time I understood that something was not going to go my way. Because when the elevator doors closed, he goes, what kind of money do you need to make to drive a car like you drive? Hmm. Right. What? That's, that's bizarre.

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Here you are, you know, at the time, you know, you're in a custom one of 100 Jaguar, you know, that shipped over from London and yada, yada, yada. And you're, you're a big deal. You know, you're trying to figure out which exotic car to drive at, you know, the age of 23 years old.

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You get in an elevator with a guy who just spent eight years, you know, paper cuts, you know, through law school, and now he got a job for maybe 47K. He still owes $300,000 in student loans. You know, he hasn't been laid in a decade, you know, and here we are in an elevator, and he's the one that's looking through my, you know, he's the initial paperwork investigator.

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And I thought, oh, boy, this is interesting.

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100%.

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Same story. Same story. And everything, like you say, gets read out loud. And the way it looks on paper, every email that you've ever sent or joked with your buddies, when you're reading it out loud from a third-party perspective— It just sounds horrible.

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I didn't realize they didn't have a home. I'm so sorry. It is, man. And everything gets read out loud. Everything. We fought this. We fought it from 08 to 2012. So you went to

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Oh, okay.

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Fighting it in the back, you know, here I, and we did everything that we could do. I hired, I hired the best friend of the attorneys general that was, you know, overseeing the case. I, now I have three attorneys that are just there because they're all buddies and they're the who's who. And, and I bought a Cartier watch and I bought a Ford Explorer and I gave a money for down payment on a cabin.

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I gave bags of duffel bags of cash. It was, it was five years of just nausea. over mentally, emotionally, physically, financially, you're just drained. Every 30, 60 days, you're going back to the courthouse. You're putting your three quarters into the meter. You're walking in. They're reading all sorts of things you don't understand.

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I'd feel it walking home from school. Really? Oh, wow. I like signs. I don't know if yours, like if the garage door was up, it was all bad. Because you knew that he was just completely out of his mind. He was the type of guy that, you know, everything was closed, locked, tight, right? The car doors were locked. They were clean. The house was locked. It was clean.

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That sounds just incredibly terrible because you're a horrible human. Like you said, he's fed the homeless. There's good proof that he kicked a dog one time, even though the dog was biting somebody. He's mean to children. Right. He's definitely mean to children. We impersonated Santa Claus in the mall one time to give away candy canes. I mean, it was just wretched.

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And you'd hear this every month, every other month, every month. And it was just, you guys have an agreement? Nope, we're still doing this. And it was just, okay, move it, move it, move it, move the goalpost. 2011, fourth quarter, I was just done. I told my wife, like, whatever's coming after this can't be this bad. I mean, this is just, I had a little bit of bravado still left in my briefcase.

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I got a letter of a clean bill of health from the FBI. They went and poured through all of my documentations and said no fraud, no misappropriation, you know, all the things that would be sexy typically in a case like this. The West Coast director wrote me a clean bill of health. I still have that paperwork.

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And so I thought, okay, that kind of bodes well if you kind of get in front of people, you know, hey, to your point, Had I filed the paperwork, you know, super big misunderstanding. I wasn't over here just knocking over 7-Elevens or beating up old ladies. It wasn't a credit card. It wasn't a pump and dump. It was none of that nonsense. And my charges, I thought, reflected that.

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You know, a lot of times, especially now, you and I are removed for so many years, like wire fraud, bank fraud, you know, misappropriation of funds. I see those a lot. I didn't have any of those charges. It was quite literally, I was charged with transactions of an unregistered securities dealer or salesman. That just seems like a fine. It's the way it is, brother. It's the way it is.

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So I go to my attorney and I go, you know, 2011, like, hey, we're done. We're dead. Like, I'm just, I'm so emotionally exhausted from this thing. I've got, I'm still trying to build. I still have investors. I still have a wife. Like, I got a whole life out here. I'm still trying to go to church, be a good human. I'm on the front page. Like, this whole thing's bad, right? And she says,

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That was probably the best advice I ever got from an attorney. Everything else was just ridiculous paperwork. So January 20th of 2012, I stood in the courtroom, stood before the judge, and he read all of the things that because you went to school, because you have a degree, because you had an attorney, because, because, because, because, you should have known better.

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And as a result, I'm going to make an example out of you. Two years, Arizona Department of Corrections. Immediately remanded.

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We all said, we've paid the money. We've gone through the, we've poured over documentation. We've gone through this, like nobody's screaming and yelling. What about the district attorney?

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Everything looked good from the outside. So if the garage door was up, it was like, oh, it's game time.

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They always wanted jail time, yeah. Okay.

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It is interesting you say that, not to jump ahead, but I had a probation officer that woke me up to that term limit idea, the callousness behind them. And when I got him, he said, you know, I've been a PO longer than you've been alive. And he told me this in his office. He said, I'm so conditioned that when I lease, when I let my mom stay at my timeshare, I make her sign a lease.

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Like he's that messed up.

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He's that screwed up. He's like, my kids, when we get pulled over by the cops, you know, for speeding or whatever, like they have, he goes, I open up all the doors. I open up all the, like, he's so conditioned. He's so like to the point where you go, man, I don't know if you should be doing this any longer. Like, everybody's a bad guy. Everybody's out to get you. The world is always ending.

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The sky is always falling. I'm like, brother, I don't know if that's a good place to live. But to your point, yeah, these judges are reading, in my opinion, a vast majority of them are reading sentence structure, sentencing guidelines. Yeah. That's it. There's very little... thought process of if this, then that, could this, then we should.

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How do you in any world take a seven-figure earner off the street who's paying taxes?

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You've had one amazing moment. Okay. Jeez Louise. It's red. Yeah, man. And there we go. Immediately remanded handcuffs being in the courtroom. You're there. You've got your suit on. Cause I'm an idiot. And I thought that would help. Right. Literally. And it's so funny. You mentioned, and it's only funny now because we can laugh about it now mentioned your, your buddy in the, in the garage.

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So the day I get sentenced, I thought, you know, we're going to be, we're going to be like the people. And so we pulled up in my wife's Lexus. Right. Right. I was just like, this is a four door. This is what normal people drive. Pull up in the Lexus. You know, I put my three quarters in because I'm coming back out. Got my suit and tie on, you know, like prim and proper.

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And there it was immediately. I mean, literally, he read it out loud. And it was all the things I thought... Oh, this sounds, yeah, that sounds, yeah. Uh-huh, this is good. Yeah, totally. You're right. I do have a degree. I didn't swindle anybody. There's not anybody over this, you know, who's my investor pool that's 75 and living on SSI, you know, like some degenerate.

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You know, there's no, oh, he took your money and bought a yacht or a lamp. No, no, no. I told you where it was going. It went there. It went there. Everybody got it. Bing, bing, boom. And he's reading all of these things out loud and then just sucker punches you in the throat. Bam, two years. They put the clinks on you. My wife's in the courtroom, my mom, all my supporters.

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It kind of hits you like a ton of bricks. You don't really know. I wasn't expecting it. So it's, you know, what to expect when you're expecting.

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No, no, no, not at all. But yeah, I went downstairs. You know, they take you through the jail and the elevator and the whole process of just nastiness. And I will tell you, though, the first moment of gratitude was when I was 30, 60 minutes into this process. there was, as we all know, everybody listening to this, jail and prison is very, you know, political, very color, racially motivated.

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So, you know, in your holding tank, you sit with people who look like you and act like you and sound like you. And I was sitting by myself. Everyone else was a drug addict. And this guy walked in and he had a suit on and he was white and he was about my age. And I thought, oh, okay. So he came and sat down next to me and The first question you don't ask is, oh, what did you do?

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No, it's more like, as you're getting to know each other in this weird holding tank, he went to trial and he got eight years. That was my first moment of gratitude, Matt. It was like, I could have got eight, nine, 17, 46, doesn't matter. Two felt, for the first time in my life, two felt palatable.

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Yeah. No, I'm talking to, I got a phone call last week from a guy. He just signed a federal 60 to 96 months. And, you know, that was his question to me. Did I do the right thing? Did I do? And I'm like, bro. And his is, his is blatant. It's a, it's, you know, it's blatant. Right. You know, it's, it's bad. And so I'm like, bro, you could probably got 30 if they took this to trial.

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Was your mom the same as mine? Was she trying to figure out how do I, how do I keep the family?

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You know what I mean? The way that you're, these things stack up. I mean, he's got like hundreds of victims. Right, right. Downloaded lots of pictures.

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Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So I'm like 60 to 96 on a federal. Maybe you can fight for 48.

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Yeah. I know Portia. Portia.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It's funny you say that because that's the same advice I give to everybody is that you cannot, you can, I don't know. I hope the four people in comments roast him.

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You were saying, sorry. You were saying you cannot go in. You cannot go into this. And when you walk out, nobody wants to hear, my baby mama did this. The district attorney hated that. My co-defendant, whatever. Nobody wants to hear that. This guy snitched on me. Nobody wants to hear that. Yeah. Nobody wants to hear that.

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The best advice I give to these cats on the way out, the blueprint for employment is this. Hey, Matt. What? I'm Travis, and for the last two years, I've been incarcerated. What I learned about myself while I was incarcerated is one, two, and three. The reason I applied for this job is because I think I can bring A, B, and C to your company based on what I learned.

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No, I know, but that's the conversation that brings you accountability.

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100%.

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But a lot of these guys get out and they want to go, they don't want to check the box. That's what I hear. Yeah.

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Oh, I don't want to check the box. No, man, like stop with the lying bullshit. Yeah. Just from the jump. Hey, man, this is where I've been for two years.

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Oh, and now I'm just, every time somebody, you know, hey, can we talk to you over here? You're just, I'm nauseous.

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And drugs.

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But both of those guys usually never accept responsibility.

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That's what I've found at least. I get a lot of those guys. I was in prison a couple weeks ago. This guy screams from the back. He had a... Anyways, I won't tell who he is, but he was... Anyhow, he says, I need to make Elon Musk money.

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i go my my guy like when do you get out nine months so you'll be back in 13 yeah right like you'll see in about 13 because that'll be about your your life cycle like you don't even know what that means yeah so the idea that you're going out there with you know just shut up like stop Do people really say that? Yeah, he said it out loud to me too.

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No, he was like offended because I tried to, I go, well, let's reverse engineer that. Like, Do you have a family of like 900 or like what's the story? Yeah. You have kids? No, no kids yet. Okay. So in this county where you're locked up, you're going to stay here? Yeah, I'm going to stay here. Okay. So about 65K would be really good for you in this particular county. Right. Right?

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So like let's get you to 90 and then you just be king of the world. Like you could sell three Hyundais a month at the local dealership and make 90K. Yeah. And that's a good living. And then if you made like 140, like you would just be out of your mind.

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The guy was on the phone with the... No, no, he's actually... The guy that was on the 1696? Yeah. He had a black Lambo. Of course he did. Of course he did.

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Yeah, he's been to prison many times. That's the scary part. This is what's interesting, right? I love this. We could do a whole series on this. Why does one person go to prison and become the best version of themselves, and one person goes to prison and becomes the worst version of themselves? Why do some people go to prison? Yeah, why do some people go to prison?

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You and I both know guys that have gone to prison and gals come out the best version of themselves.

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And then we know the other 9 out of 10 that come out worse. Yeah, you think it's 9 out of 10? I think it's like 99 out of 100.

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Okay.

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Oh, no.

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No, I taught in prison. I taught in prison at the community college.

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Bro, hold the phone. Colby, we're about to get crazy around here.

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Monday through Friday, I left the yard.

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200, yes. At Cochise Community College. 250 of us left the yard every day. Oh, that's nuts. We worked for the sheriff's department, fire department, the school, the whole, yeah. Elementary school? Elementary school. It would be a good TikTok. That's nuts. Oh, I'll tell you. Here, Colby, you can chop this one up. Yeah. Literally, you want to talk about nuts.

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So in this tiny little shit town that the prison was located in, well, there's four prison yards, right, in this little tiny town. From my cell at night, you could see the Mexican flag. That's how close we were to the border. Wow. A lot of these COs would walk over, drive over, would work in the prisons, walk over, drive back. That close.

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One of my jobs was at the elementary school, Monday through Friday, eight hours a day. Okay. In the lunchroom. In the maintenance room. So when the kids would go and rotate to recess, we would go and we would clean the classroom. Right. Okay. And we'd be on this rotation. So you'd clean up the entire school throughout the day. And a portion of that was the lunchroom.

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Myself and four other guys were opening chocolate milk for children. Right. In our oranges, in our inmate uniform. Right. Walk yourself through this as a parent. For everybody in middle America, right? So you've taken a guy like myself, a seven-figure annual earner. You've thrown him in prison because he's no longer good enough to be on the outside. He has to be inside.

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But then you've let him leave the yard every day to go to work. Right. For 35 cents an hour. With children. With children. Now, imagine how screwed up this town has to be. Walk yourself through it. I'm a parent. All of you parents out there, pretend you're a parent. You're walking in and it's your kid's birthday. Fourth grade. And you walk into the lunchroom.

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You've got the balloons, the helium, the cake, the whole nine. And there's five inmates there. And we're standing at the counter. And we're helping children walk. with their pizza slices, the rectangular pizza. I've got the pizza cutter. I'm opening chocolate milks because they've been out too long and you've got to open them and pull the whole thing. Okay, here you go.

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How screwed up of a town do you have to be to realize the only way this town works is if the inmates are actually there doing the jobs and you're okay with it?

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That's to say it's so wild. I didn't know any of this. This is exactly the same story. So, I mean, mine was the two to a T almost, but it wasn't the alcohol. It was the drugs. Right. And so, but literally we'd walk into the gym together, you know, and he, you know, my dad was, was a bodybuilder. And so it was this odd thing.

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You know it. Tons of money. Tons of money. So yeah, we would do a lot of good around town. We had a community garden that the inmates would take care of. They'd do wildland fire. They'd work at the sheriff's department. They'd work at the administration for the school buildings. So my job, my job for about a better portion of a year was I was a tutor at the community college.

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And so the four yards would feed. And so you'd have, you know, like the GED program and you'd have, you know, different schools. vocational programs that would take place inside the community college that we would be dropped off at. In my particular area, there was this thing called the Small Business Development Center, SBDC. It's a nonprofit.

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They go into prisons and churches, all sorts of stuff around different communities. And that SBDC came in, and the gentleman who was responsible for it, he starts teaching like Business 101. I start teaching it behind him and I'm like, Hey, but like, I just, I just came down.

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So the stuff that you should be teaching these guys is, you know, this about business, that about business, this about, and he's like, what, what's your story? How do you know about this? And literally it turned into a year of therapy for me. I came from the financial services industry. It came from how to build a business. I came from entrepreneurship.

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And so here I am with this opportunity with hundreds of guys from four yards going out and saying, all right, what do you want to do when you get out? I want to build a business. Okay. Like not in dope or like legit. Right. And I would tell them, I made a joke. You guys are entrepreneurs. You're just in the wrong industry.

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right like worse right even worse you know you're big you're tan you look good you know you walk around like you said everybody gets to eat you know you're you're you're father of the year you already look like the top one percent of society everywhere you go anyway people think you're amazing correct looking at you yes oh that's got to be even worse yep your your your dad's bmw was my dad's corvette right

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So funny. I tell these guys the same thing behind bars. We have a whole real estate course behind bars on their tablets, teaching them exactly that. Go knock on doors. The whole idea of the, you know, the, the sign in the ground, we buy houses, you know, like put your number on that thing. Start dialing for dollars. I mean, man, that's so funny. It is.

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It's an industry that you, and I say this to these guys all the time. Like if you just take all the things that you did, you're not afraid to take a risk. Obviously it's why you're here buying bars. But there's this idea that you don't understand what you don't know about yourself continues to bring you back here.

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Never.

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Yeah, it was, it was, it was literally the same. It was, it was an interesting, right? And then in this whole life, you're trying to string together, but, but the entire time going and figuring out life on your own, because here you have this monster, you know, that's supposed to be your dad. It's supposed to care, but he'd show up at Pop Warner and,

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And he'd be in the stands, and like a good Saturday was everybody went home. A bad Saturday was he took the Rolex off and came out of the stands and just started beating up the other coach. I mean, he literally just unhinged.

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It's such, oh man, it's so interesting. It's such a topic for me that's just like near to my heart. Cause I'm like, I really wish that you could get, I love the stories of success. And I think that's why I'm addicted to it. Of the guys that actually get out and actually do something and actually change their life inside.

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Don't you think that that's peace, though?

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That's a good one. He's in Thailand right now.

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Okay. Hiding from child support. But you're right. It's funny you say that. Literally, this is hilarious back and forth. I was doing, when I got out, they said, hey, we want you to film your financial literacy course. So I'm filming my financial literacy course. Is this with Bradley? No, no, no. Oh, yeah. No, no. And so I'm filming the course in this guy's house.

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He was, he was sent to us as a referral from like this nonprofit anyhow. And so we're filming it. And all of a sudden it is like, and the look on his face was the look we've all, you know, that sheer terror. And he's like, We're still mic'd up like we are right now, and I'm like, am I getting this on camera? This would be so good if we got this on camera. I hope we get this on camera, right?

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The whole thing. And he's over there, and he comes through his kitchen, and he's peeking around through his doors, and you can hear him. The cops are outside. Yeah. The cops are outside. They're... And they're two and three and four times. And I'm thinking to myself, one of us is going to back to prison.

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My man, it is not going to be me. Like, and I'm thinking this is all going to play out. Like they're going to come over. It's a first story condo. They're going to come over the little four foot wall and they're going to come in here. Like, and here we are, you know, set up and I'm gonna have to explain this whole thing. This will be great. And it was that same moment when I was like, bro,

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You can't do this. Like, this is not freedom. This is not a version of success. I don't care how many dollars you think that you're making. You're obviously not doing, you know, like Jess said, you're not doing the right thing here. This is bizarre. But it's so funny you mentioned that. I just wish that version of success. And I don't know how we do it. I don't know how we get it out there.

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Because the black Lambo and the red Ferrari, like, they're always, like, I guess what we chase.

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Yeah. No, I could care less. But it's interesting, your version of that guy when you did that, the drywaller, Because if you can make 150 and live on 75, then you can say, well, what if I invest a little bit of money into a retirement account through a Vanguard? And in 40 years, I might have something or 30, whatever the number is.

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When I was inside, the first book that I wrote for these guys was don't buy a cheeseburger with a credit card.

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And it was just a compound interest conversation. Hey, you know, if you, if you take $5 every day from your paycheck and you move it over here over time, it's going to be like a lot, right? Or if you take $5 and you buy something on the value menu with your credit card and you don't pay it off and you let that interest build, it's going to be like a lot.

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Just a very rudimentary conversation about, to your point, the actions over time. If I come out and I drywall and then I get a buddy who drywalls and then I can get a contract for that buddy or two buddies or three. And now all of a sudden, like you said, now I have four houses. So now I need a crew and now I don't have to drywall any longer, but you know what I need to do?

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I need to collect money. So I need an invoicing conversation and a receivable.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I need, cause a lot of people get in trouble. Roll that up. Oh, that's a bookkeeper. Like those conversations are not happening when they go, Oh, I'm going to, pop bottles of Dom and we're going to have black leather couches in the restaurant.

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Coming down from, yeah, this is weird. Same story. And it was, you'd have, we had one neighbor who was like my mom's go-to. I don't know if you had one. Everybody else was just like quiet.

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Can I hang on to it?

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You're absolutely right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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How much of it do you think also plays into the gratitude?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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A woman. Correct. That you could call and be like, hey, John, you know, this is what's just a heads up. And he'd kind of come over sometimes and, you know, like check on the fridge or, you know, be that, oh, you have a hornet's nest outside. I heard I had to knock it down. You know, that type of guy that, but other than that, quiet, quiet. And my mom was raised that way, right?

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Do you see the comedian that can't talk? Do you see that one? No. Oh, bro. He walks up with his phone, like on his AI phone. Right. And it like reads his thoughts or whatever. And he's literally telling jokes through the phone. And so the way that he opens up is he goes, I know what you're thinking. Like who ordered the Timu version of Stephen Hawking? Right. Right. Pretty good.

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It catches you off guard. But to your point, give me an excuse, and we'll probably solve it with technology pretty quickly. But I think the gratitude's big. And, you know, I think that's also where you're at is how much of this you're grateful for, which is why I'm not just going to go screw it off.

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I'm not just going to go blow it out and put you and, you know, the missus in a situation or Colby and the family. Like, no, we really care about growing this thing the right way. Right. And we're really grateful that we can do it. I don't think that you've come to the point of, like, I – I've earned this, and so give it to me. I've earned this studio, so give it to me.

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And to your point, all the guys that I know that are miserable, even the guys that want to tell their story, I'm sure you've come across that. The guys that want to tell me their story, like, oh, you need to do this for me. You need to do that for me. You need to, like, shut up, man. Like, you're nobody. You've done nothing. You're miserable. You're like a miserable, angry dwarf.

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I feel like he's had issues with dwarfs, Colby. I feel like there's something here. In his childhood, there was like a dwarf.

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You just swept it, swept it. I think they probably taught it on Nick at night or something. You didn't talk about it. The ideas of today, like the self-help, and a lot of it's social media, which you're contributing to, the idea of self-improvement, self-actualization, self-understanding, they didn't have that back 30, 40 years ago.

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I agree. But I think coming out, like talking to these guys. Like if we're talking with anybody who has a past like you and I have, we're going to be embarrassed. I'm sure yours comes up all the time. Mine does. Of course.

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But that's interesting. That idea... should be poured into them more often. Like you should use this addiction as a superpower.

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Really?

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Golly, Tyler's a rainmaker.

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He's irritating, but he's a rainmaker. Did he have an addiction? No. Okay. I was just trying to link them all together. I was trying to make him a power.

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In the midst of this podcast, he's texted us twice. With two different people. Matt probably doesn't know that.

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I need a crime. I need a crime. I need handcuffs.

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Rock crawling into people's houses through their windows. Anything, anything... Using the rock climbing to steal.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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what do you do like what are you doing now how does that turn into what you're doing now yeah day one right i always love that answer what do i do when i get out because it's true you know there's all these all these hurdles in life and and and the more that you can plan for them i think the better off you're going to be because like the restaurant never comes to fruition yeah we know that it never comes to fruition you being a cook at panda express yeah is is good is likely so

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Yeah. My wife picks me up. Uh, we went to a hotel, you know, we'd been away from each other. I did 15 months. That was my end time, 15 months on two years. Um, and, and so, you know, we went and hung out for three days and, and, you know, figured out life again and, uh, together her and I, and then I checked in with probation.

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Yeah, my probation stories are kind of funny. So I check in with my PO on that third day. I think it was third day. And he's looking at my stuff and he's like, man, I know you got to be with me for 90 days of your good time, but I don't know where to put you. I don't know what to do. So he's like, let me call you back.

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We'll figure out a program that you have to go in because you have to be here for some sort of rehab. Okay, cool. Calls me back the next day. He's like, I got a NA class that's near you that you need to attend. And here's your days and here's your times. And okay, sure, whatever. I show up. Keep in mind, this is 12 years ago. I'm younger and way sexier. And I hope Colby gets that.

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And I walk in and it's in a strip mall, right? The lowest rent place you could possibly find for the government to rent out. And it's chairs in a circle, metal folding chairs. And the moment I walk in, like three people are like... this thing, they think I'm a fed. Shaved head, no tats.

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Bro. They think I'm a, immediately. So, you know, I sit down, like, I never done a drug a day in my life. No, A, A, N, A, none of this stuff, right? So I sit down and I'm like, who's starting the class? Like, I got like, we're on a time limit here. So this one guy pipes up and he's like, hey, what's your story? I'm like, oh, just got out. Like got out of where?

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I've been following you for the last two weeks. Right, exactly. Hey, Tommy, I noticed you got a Nissan Altima outside, license plate, right? No. And I go, I just got out of where? I got out of prison, man. Shut up. How's that for an answer? Like, what are we doing here? So then we just sit down and they go around the circle and it starts this story and I've been and ding, ding, ding.

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And this is what I'm struggling with. They get to me and I'm like, yeah, guys, Brent sent me here to satisfy my 90 days of release. I've never done a drug a day in my life. Right. They're immediately like, well, we don't believe you. We think that you're here with like an investigation, you know? So who do you work for? Like, we don't, we don't want this type of energy here.

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It's enough of that Todd. Right. Exactly. Ward, you're going to have to leave. I'm like, no, for real guys, this is a story. So I show up every day and about two weeks into it, I'm holding the class and I'm like, Matt, For real, you haven't been sober in six days. Like, let's walk through why you're a disaster. Let's whiteboard this shit together. I've taken over the class, right?

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I'm like, nobody gets chairs. Everybody's standing up. I need energy. When we're here, we're focused, right? Probation officer calls like four weeks into it. He's like, hey, we're just going to mark this off. Like, ah. They've told me or I wouldn't use the term disruptive. That's what he says. They don't want you to come. They don't want me to come back.

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I'm like, guys, we need results if we're going to waste our time here. You know, like you're leaving to the car. I see what you're doing outside. You got a 15 minute. You don't need a 15 minute break. Let's get in and get out. They're like, I don't know what you're doing here, man. I don't know who you're involved with.

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But don't don't come back and leave your fanny pack. Well, that was part of my like release. It was comical, man. And so during that time, they're making me go and do the, you know, pee in the cup. And I'm giggling like, guys, this is this couldn't be further from my, you know, quote unquote, rehabilitation journey. So I satisfied those 91st days, you know, of good time. I can't remember.

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It was a pro probation type, you know, good time, Arizona thing. And then they and then I had, you know, probation from there. And I got into it with the first probation officer because he said, hey, you can't have your own business. I said, why can't I have my own business? He said, well, they said you can't. Okay, well, who's they? Whoa, whoa, whoa. And that was the answer.

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I said, my guy, I don't think you know what you're talking about. But the state organization that complies with licensure, you know, LLC, S Corporation, you know, the articles in court, they could care less whether you're a gerbil, a felon, a transgender. You file a paperwork, you pay the fee, you move on. That's their job. He goes, I don't think so.

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So I'm going to need you to get like a pay stub job until we figure this out. I think you're a probation officer. I think so. That's the lowest form of law enforcement. Buddy, I was like, wowzers. All right. So I went and, you know, which I loved your story about the gym and the toilets. I went and stocked bread trucks at night.

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I love that commonality between us because it's like very few people will get out, you know, with our pedigrees and our abilities, et cetera, fill in the blank and our awesomeness and go and clean toilets and go and stock bread trucks at night to satisfy. Like, I'm not going back to this place. This is never going to happen again. And that was the beginning of, okay, what was day one like?

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It was programs, and then it turned into, like, I had to get this job. I actually kind of fell in love with this goofy little job at nighttime. It was kind of cathartic, and I would walk people through, and probably much similar to you, the people who were working there were trying to figure their life out at the bread store.

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If you're working nights at a bread store and stocking trucks, something's up. The one kid is going to school to be a doctor. The rest of us are just trying to figure our life out. And so from that point forward, I just started to rebuild what I was doing before, which was merger and acquisition work on a very small scale. And I'll tell you how it started.

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Anybody that was a solopreneur, so drywaller, painter, landscaper, pool guy, I call them solopreneurs because like Pablo is the painter. He's a phenomenal painter, but he's only so busy.

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And then he can't take on any more work. And that's usually where they come to and then they stop. Like the wife or the sister or the girlfriend, somebody will do like their books and try to figure it out.

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And that's what I started doing. I would literally cold call those guys. You started selling penny stocks in their company. You got it. You're in the pest control industry. I've never sprayed a house a day in my life, but I know that when a woman sees a rat, she just wants to know how quickly you can get there. So can you take on more work? And then it just started from there.

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Correct. Totally absurd. Yeah. The first time that the first time I knew what it was, the fanny packs were always same story. Like you go on, you go on, like we go to Disneyland and he take it everywhere, took it everywhere. And it was always like, it was a bodybuilder thing back then. Oh, you know, they wore it.

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I started with my infrastructure. You need bookkeeping. You need legal work. You need all of these things. How's your insurance? You know, have you gone through your premiums? I'm like, what are you talking about? Oh, this is what I used to do in the private equity world, much bigger scale.

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But if you've made one 50 for the last three years and you've netted the same, right, there's a problem here. So like, let's walk you through it. And then it started working with these little itty bitty companies that started out actually in the fitness sector. Most of these gym goers, gym owners would get to the point where they'd be like, Hey, I was a good personal trainer. Yeah. You know it.

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And then they open a studio. And then if the studio goes well, they open the gym or, you know, some iteration of that. But then they're just like, I don't know how many cancellations I have. I'm training people. That's where I make my money, you know. And so I would walk in and go, all right, we've got a studio. You've got one location. How do we get to two? Well, this is what I need. I'm Tyler.

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This is what I need. Great. So we need back office. We need support. We need personnel, systems, processes, procedures. And that was the beginning of like life 2.0 in 2013. So once you put that together, you call to get people to invest in the company? No, I took them on myself. Okay. It was just me and my, so my best friend is an attorney, not my attorney. Okay. But my best friend is an attorney.

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And so him and I, his legal background, my financial background, we would come in with our capital and we would say, let us help you scale or let us help you get from working in the business to working on the business. Right. You know, and we'd help these little tiny companies and then we would get a little bit of equity in them. Hey, we'll take 10%, 20%, 50%. We'll grow it. We'll help you.

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And then we'd either exit or, you know, we'd hire an operator. And so that's been the pattern since 2013, and we've been industry agnostic. So we've got simple, unsexy real estate, HUD housing. Right. It's HUD housing. Government contracts. Section 8. You got it. Section 8. All day long. Industry agnostic. But trucking, the guy that runs our trucking company did 20 years.

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Trucking turns into moving. It's all these little itty-bitty companies. The one that we just sold is ice cream. You know, easy hours. The labor costs are low. Overhead is relatively simple. And you don't really need a high degree of acumen to run the place. Right. So we built those up. We scaled it to four locations and we sold to, you know, to a bigger.

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So that's been the chart of what I've done since I've got out. The passion project is the don't buy a cheeseburger with a credit card. Right. And what do you go into prisons on that? Yeah, every month. Really? Every month, once a month, usually sometimes several times.

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It was normal, you know, in the gym, this, that, and the other, but that's where he kept all of his stuff. And so I remember taking it, I was probably eighth grade and I walked it down to the local like drugstore. Yeah, I turned it in, and I just said, hey. What is this? Yeah, you let me know what this is? Yeah, and the gal was like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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This month I'll be in probably three or four times.

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You talk to these guys for 20 minutes. I do one-on-ones behind prison with people who the, either the caseworkers or like the captain of the yard will say, Hey, this guy's turned his life around. This gal's turned her life around. She wants to do something. So, you know, she wants to kind of spit ball with you, brainstorm with you. We call them entrepreneurs in training.

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And then the rest is like a massive Q&A. We'll do it in the gym. They'll bring in a few hundred guys or gals, and we'll walk through all of the same stuff that you were doing behind. Like, hey, have you figured out your square footage on this restaurant? No. Do you know what it's going to be called? No. Do you know what you're going to serve? No. Have you ever heard of Cisco or U.S. Foods?

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Okay, you're going to fail. Right. Like, let's stop lying to each other now. Good news is you've got 28 months left.

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Let's stop lying to each other. And so, yeah, we go behind prison walls. That little itty-bitty idea of financial literacy is now 1,300 prisons in 26 states. Massive. Massive. It's not just you, though. It's got to be a bunch of people, right? A bunch of people, yeah. Yeah, guys that have actually were lifers on the inside that now work for us in the nonprofit.

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Guys that I went inside in California, met one of them. He was a lifer, got life at 15, knew some change, some laws, and he got out. So a lot of really cool redemptive stories, you know, that came from this idea. I never wanted to go to prison. I never should have gone to prison, but I did go to prison. So how do you take it and turn your mess into a message? That's the story.

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Leave your information here, and I'll come and I'll let you know. What was that beating like? I didn't get to the beating brother. The cops beat me home. Oh, okay. Oh yeah. Yeah. That was the, that was that beating came to my mom when, when he came back out around very physical, you know, with mom.

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And so it was always at the moment I could get in front of them or in between the two of them, I would all the time. But yeah, that's when I first realized, you know, they, you know, the cops go, Hey, so you turned this in and, you know, they, they have the whole, you know, here I am like, yeah, just let me know.

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And that was the first time, you know, there they were in the driveway, you know, with our beautiful French doors and, you know, our rock, the whole thing. Right. And that was the first time the neighborhood was like, what in the world? And then you got a monster here, you know, but he sat in this recliner when he gets so high, he sat in that recliner.

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And when he was gone for those few days after they took him, like I sat in that recliner, that was my like, Oh yeah, I got you.

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so how how long does how long do you stay in the house like do you graduate high school do you yeah my mom fought that good fight for the better part of two decades did she ever did he pass away or did she's dead now okay or did they stay married they didn't stay married she finally left after about 20 years okay so that was her enough is enough finally got to that point thank god

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No, but you're totally right, though. But I think we don't talk about a lot of that. At least that generation didn't talk about a lot of that.

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And she never drank? No.

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Sure, but not...

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My sisters were okay.

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I hear that. I see. Yeah. We had, we had a, had a basement house. And so my sisters would stay in that basement room. And so whenever I could feel, you know, you start to feel it bubble up. You remember those days? Yeah. Like, okay, is it going to be a good night, bad night? And so I would go down in the basement. They had these trundle beds.

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And they'd sleep and we'd put all the trundle beds together. So it was like four beds in a row. And I'd sleep in that far corner of that trundle so that I could see my line of sight was that when he walked through the door. And so that he would, it just gave me enough visibility to go, okay, if something pops off, you know, I'd be the first one to see it.

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No, I know a guy who actually owned a private security company and they had a contract where, and there are contracts available where let's say the DEA wants somebody. And they know they're in another country that the DEA can't go into or FBI can't go grab them.

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But they say, listen, if you call us and tell us, the guys here at this airport, we'll give you a check for like $250,000 and take him, no questions asked. So they watch the guy for a week, make sure it's him. throw a black bag over their head, hit them with a taser, throw them into a van, drive them to the airport, put them on a plane, and fly them into the U.S.

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And they call them just as they're landing at an airport and say, hey, come pick up. This is who we've got. Come pick them up. They show up. They give them a check. Pick up the guy. It's over.

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They've had people follow them. I've been in prison with guys that were kidnapped out of their own country. Out of their own country. They were they were come. They were they were taken. I mean, matter of fact, there there's a in in South Africa, there was a bank robber and his girlfriend. Well, they were both bank robbers.

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And the FBI, the FBI, literally there was no extradition from South Africa at that time. And the FBI call. the local police department and said, we are going to be in this area. We have two of our citizens that are wanted. So there was a bank robber and a male bank robber and his accomplice, which was his girlfriend. They were living in, they fled to South Africa.

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The FBI called up the local police because there was no extradition for South Africa at the time. They called up the local police and said, listen, we have two of our citizens in your jurisdiction. We're coming to pick them up. Don't come in the area. And the local police said, no problem. They drove there. They followed them. They went to the house. They arrested the girl.

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They followed the girl in. They arrest both of them, put them in a van, drive them to the local airport, throw them on a plane and fly them out. Like I know guys that were kidnapped in their own countries where it's like a guy in Brazil, a guy in where they're like, no, you won't believe I was in my own country. They're like, I was in my own country and they just fucking threw me in a van.

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He said the whole time kicking and screaming, you're kidnapping me. Got him on a plane, got in front of the judge in the United States and said, they kidnapped me. And the judge would say, well, you're here now.

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Yeah, that's it's stupid. They're idiots. They don't know. They don't know. They watch too much, like you said, too much Law & Order.

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Not just that. They're holding you. Let me tell you something else. This is what's really upsetting. I know guys they've just let die. There have actually been guys that have showed up at Coleman, been transferred, showed up, Went straight to the unit, went straight to the officer and said, listen, I have asthma. I have a very extreme case of asthma. They didn't give me my inhaler.

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I have to get my inhaler. And the officers are like, well, you have to wait until after count. Then they wait till after count. Now it's 5 o'clock. They go straight to medical. Medical's like, yeah, you'll have to wait till tomorrow morning. Come to sick, you know, they call it pill line or sick call. And the guy's like, look, you don't understand. If I don't, I may die.

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They're like, well, you're going to either go to the shoe or you could, you know, there's no medical here. Go back to unit. And the guy goes back to unit. Boom. Next day, wakes up dead.

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Listen, my heart goes out to you. I know you're not feeling good. We've been on here.

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Well, listen, I'm gonna wrap it up. I appreciate you talking to me. We'll stay in contact. I will let you know when we're gonna post this. By all means, post it. Let's do something, a connection where you can post something simultaneous on your TikTok. Try and direct people to it. Yeah, of course.

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Hey, I appreciate you guys watching. Do me a favor. Look in the description box and click the link for... for the TikTok that we talked about, for his YouTube channel, for everything across the board. If anybody does know anybody that can help out, by all means, contact me. I will put you in contact with Chad. Or you could go to his... TikTok or YouTube channel.

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I can give you his email if you contact me. I'll actually, I'll put his email in the description box also. Telegram is actually the best way. Telegram. Telegram. Okay. I'll put a link to Telegram. Telegram is the best way. So to contact him, I appreciate you guys watching. If you like the video, do me a favor, subscribe, hit the bell, leave me a message. Thank you guys very much. I appreciate it.

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I don't know if you guys know this or not, but when I was locked up, I wrote a whole bunch of true crime books. And all of the books are on Amazon, Barnes & Noble, Audible, their e-books. Check out the trailers.

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Using forgeries and bogus identities, Matthew B. Cox, one of the most ingenious con men in history, built America's biggest banks out of millions. Despite numerous encounters with bank security, state, and federal authorities, Cox narrowly, and quite luckily, avoided capture for years. Eventually, he topped the U.S. Secret Service's Most Wanted list and led the U.S.

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Marshals, FBI, and Secret Service on a three-year chase, while jet-setting around the world with his attractive female accomplices. Cox has been declared one of the most prolific mortgage fraud con artists of all time by CNBC's American Greed. Bloomberg Businessweek called him the mortgage industry's worst nightmare, while Dateline NBC described Cox as a gifted forger and silver-tongued liar.

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Playboy magazine proclaimed his scam was real estate fraud, and he was the best. Shark in the Housing Pool is Cox's exhilarating first-person account of his stranger-than-fiction story. Available now on Amazon and Audible.

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Pierre Rossini, in the 1990s, was a 20-something-year-old Los Angeles-based drug trafficker of ecstasy and ice. He and his associates drove luxury European supercars, lived in Beverly Hills penthouses, and dated Playboy models while dodging federal indictments. Then, two FBI officers with the Organized Crime Drug Enforcement Task Force entered the picture.

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Dirty agents willing to fix cases and identify informants. Suddenly, two of Rossini's associates, confidential informants working with federal law enforcement, were murdered. Everyone pointed to Rossini. As his co-defendants prepared for trial, U.S. Attorney Robert Mueller sat down to debrief Rossini at Leavenworth Penitentiary.

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And another story emerged, a tale of FBI corruption and complicity in murder. You see, Pierre Rossini knew something that no one else knew.

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truth and robert miller and the federal government have been covering it up to this very day devil exposed a twisted tale of drug trafficking corruption and murder in the city of angels available on amazon and audible bailout is a psychological true crime thriller that pits a narcissistic con man against an egotistical pathological liar

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Matthew B. Cox is a conman incarcerated in the Federal Bureau of Prisons for a variety of bank fraud-related scams. Despite not having a drug problem, Cox inexplicably ends up in the prison's residential drug abuse program, known as RDAP, a drug program in name only.

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RDAP is an invasive behavior modification therapy specifically designed to correct the cognitive thinking errors associated with criminal behavior. The program is a nonfiction dark comedy which chronicles Cox's side-splitting journey. This first-person account is a fascinating glimpse at the survival-like atmosphere inside of the government-sponsored rehabilitation unit.

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While navigating the treachery of his backstabbing peers, Cox simultaneously manipulates prison policies and the bumbling staff every step of the way. The program. How a conman survived the Federal Bureau of Prisons cult of RDAP. Available now on Amazon and Audible.

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If you saw anything you like, links to all the books are in the description box.

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It was never like- Casual thought.

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And this stuff, and I can provide you with all of these, by the way, I have, or hasn't the, the, you taking your child away so far hasn't even been an issue.

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I'm sorry. That was just a quick question. I was just curious. I remember I was like, I was like, who is a big company like Ford or but anyway, Microsoft, I'm sorry. I want to I want to kind of start at the beginning. Sorry. I want to like where you were born. Were you born, kind of raised, like how you, you know, were you in the military? Did you, you know, like what brought you to working there?

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What brought you to the situation? But let's start at the beginning, which is basically like where you were born. If you don't know. And take your time, by the way. Like don't rush through it. Like I'm not in a hurry.

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No, no. I remember in 2004, I was using, um, was it a map quest? Remember map quest you would print out.

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On what grounds is she fighting this?

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I don't typically commit crimes, but when I do, it's bank fraud. Stay greedy, my friends.

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Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Oh, okay. Wow. All right.

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I mean, I was going to say, look, it's not hard to turn a child away from someone anyway. So it's just a little comment there, a little comment there. You know what I mean? Like, you know, you get Stockholm Syndrome, you know? Like, you know, it's not hard to put the blame on somebody else. So, yeah, I can definitely see that.

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So, um, I decided, well, when you say that things weren't bad, like, I mean, so you're not talking about like there's the police are being called. There's no, no, no. Is it's just, no, we just, it's not good together anymore.

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Well, you have to think I've seen where literally judges are in their 70s and 80s and they are we they wheel them in to the into the courtroom in, you know, in their wheelchair. They have like a ramp. They ramp them up. They put them in it. They sit down there. You know, they're the clerk will tell them what's happening. Like, what they're doing. He was not far off that at that point.

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I mean, yeah. For something that really does require mental, you know...

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Have you guys. Yeah. Have you ever mentioned any of this to Tennessee? Like this is what's happening in the other state. Yeah, I'll get to that. OK, sorry.

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What the fuck? Jesus. Like, that's how you know we live in a police state.

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Even in the States since months prior to that.

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And I'll put it, I'll put it, we'll put it in the description.

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Right. Well, why don't they go to St.

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I'm surprised that didn't go with human trafficking.

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Okay, but first of all, that's absurd. Oh, we haven't even gotten to the absurd yet. That's just something they don't really do.

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Yeah, he's better off just having you stay there and dying. That's his plan. Hey, this is Matt Cox, and I'm going to be doing an interview with Chad Hauer. He is currently in St. Kitts. He lives in St. Kitts. He has been falsely accused of a crime, which he's not guilty of, and we're going to get into his story. It's super interesting, and check it out.

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Right. The specific name, since it automatically just looks for exactly that name, it's altered slightly. Yeah.

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So the only case, the only order that still is still valid is the one that says you have full custody from Tennessee.

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They mean they won't without a court order.

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They were saying they weren't going to do it without a court order, but they could.

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I'm just saying like they could the whole time. They just chose not to. They were just being pricks.

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Yeah, he's better off just having you stay there and dying. That's his plan. Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What happened when you were arrested in Bulgaria?

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And you're saying the U.S. Embassy did it? Yep. Do you know that?

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I mean, we're coming up on two hours and 20 minutes, so the semi-short version is probably good. I've seen the TikTok where you do the voices. Okay.

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Well, OK, so your son is 26. He'll be 27 soon. He's. He still does. He's talked to your ex-wife, his mom.

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How old is the prosecutor? Is it possible she's going to retire?

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I kind of start at the beginning, like I'll just talk a little bit about, like, you know, where you were born and raised. I know... Who were you working for when you were arrested, by the way?

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Well, all right. I mean, so you've got a TikTok. You okay?

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You got a TikTok, the TikTok account, you started a YouTube channel. Very recently. Okay.

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are you already having issues with addiction? No. No? No. Okay. No. Well, I kind of assumed it was kind of always kind of there, but it hasn't. Okay.

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Are you gambling at all?

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Okay. So now you're kind of, you know, you're up and coming. Instead of you seeking them out, they're seeking you out. So how do we go forward from there? What happens there? Are you getting bigger clients? Or is it more of the up-and-coming people? Or are these more established people reaching out to you?

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So she ends up hiring you. and so you're meeting with her once a month going over plans um how long does it like how long does this go on until you know things start going bad or or are there other well i understand you get you get additional clients right what year is this when you when you uh take her on uh it was probably early

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And what kind of, or just in general, what kind of money are you making in general every year just working at this, at the company? I mean, is this a job you're making a couple hundred thousand a year or is it more than that?

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$500,000 a year? A year, yeah. That was before you became successful. Correct. And this is almost 20, this is 20 years ago. Correct. How were you living on that, bro? You're the whole families, they're living in one bedroom and bunk beds. I mean, what's going on?

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Because on the half a million, you couldn't.

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She was driving the low-end Mercedes, you know. Oh, my God.

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Can you imagine that there's four guys on a roof right now listening to this? They're like, fucking motherfucker.

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Is that what you thought you were, like the whole, when you entered college, did you think finance? Yeah.

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I've never so far in every betting story you've told you've lost money. So you, I mean, at some point you seem like a smart guy. You'd say maybe, maybe I should stay away from it.

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The bookie thing doesn't lend well.

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Of course. 10 grand here, three grand here.

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I am interested.

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Okay, so it wasn't $21 million in loss. It was just $21 million in gambling.

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So some of this money is just being reinvested.

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How does it scale from, okay, $50 the first bet. Is it a rapid jump? No. Was there a point where you just kind of felt... Do you go to full tilt? Like, okay, I don't know. How does that progress?

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Does this guy make you, he doesn't make you, what do they call it? Level up before he takes another bet or he just lets it ride. He lets it ride. Okay. Is that the right term? Level up? Is that?

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okay and the sport is gambling legal at this time or where you're at no no yeah this guy is oh yeah that's like to me well i guess it depends on where you are what kind of a guy he is i mean to me it could be like yeah i'm in the hole i'm not gonna do this anymore well you owe me 250 yeah go fuck yourself i paid you made four million over the last fucking five years so i'm not gonna pay you the 250 but you know the problem is it depends on what kind of guy that is you know okay well great i'm gonna start burning your cars down i'm gonna make your life miserable i'm gonna

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So, but you didn't get to that.

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Wait a minute, wait a minute. All right, so at this point, you're not using your own money, right?

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Right. OK. Yeah. I thought you were just like you're making a million a year plus. I'm thinking you're just taking your checks and paying this guy and getting a little bit back, paying him, getting a lot back, paying him, get losing, you know, back and forth. But it's your own money. Right. At this point, it's not your own money. Right, so I quote unquote borrowed.

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So what, yeah, I was gonna say, what is the first time that happened?

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Right, although everything indicates that that's not true.

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So are you the only person that has eyes on the numbers on their book? Like I had no time can, um, Alanis go and look at her own balance? Like, can she go into, you know, she can't pull up her, her Wells Fargo account and say, how much do I have in checking? Hey, you know, no, or is this all of these are that I call you, you send something, you email me something and that's it. There's no.

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It's funny because I always say whenever I've had guys on here who have run Ponzi schemes, Ponzi schemes always start the same way, which is we had a bad quarter. You know what I'm saying? They always, you know, we had a bad quarter. It's always the delusion that we lied to the client. Or I lied to the client about that.

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We told them we didn't have that quarter, or at least I, you know, I didn't tell them as much as bad as it was. And I just figured we're going to make it up on the next quarter. So we doubled down on the next quarter. We lost again. You know what I'm saying? Now I've lost so much. I don't know how I'm going to make it up.

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Then the next quarter, I think, okay, well, if we do this, we can make it up. And before you know it, they're so in debt. Now you're practically just hoping you have decent quarters to be able to pay. And it just becomes a full-blown Ponzi scheme and everything is just a straight lie from then on. And then you're just trying to keep the balls in the air long enough.

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You're just trying to continue to keep the balls in the air so nobody finds out how bad it is. And then it just keeps growing and growing until eventually it all comes down. But anyway.

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But this has happened with multiple clients. Yes. Do any of the clients show up and say, hey, can you bring the bank statements?

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Well, I think that probably what happens is, well, one, it makes me think of that great Ronald Reagan quote, trust but verify. And there's nothing wrong with that. I think probably clients don't want to say that because they don't want to. It feels embarrassing. It puts you in a position where it's like you're saying, look, I don't trust you. Bring the bank statements.

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And that, of course, that's an uncomfortable situation. That's uncomfortable to say that to someone. But the truth is, is that, you know, look, when money is when when I would say this, you really know what someone's like when when when money is involved. Right. Like you could have I've had good, good, good friends.

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You know, you think this is a great guy known him six years and then suddenly they borrow money or money or you guys have an agreement or a business arrangement or something.

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And when it comes down to it, suddenly they're like, they don't want to pay you or they want to pay you less or they want to have an argument or they want to say, yeah, but you know, I put in this and I worked harder than it's like we had an arrangement. And you suddenly realize what someone's really like.

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So to say, hey, and to me personally, if I was one of these celebrities that was going to one of these meetings, I wouldn't even say it a week beforehand, I would say it the day before, like literally the day or hours before, by the way, I need you to go, you know, even, you know, hey, do you have access to that? Yeah, yeah, great. I need you to print off the bank statements.

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And here's why I say that is that I actually created fake online banks and I already had bank statements that were blank color, front and back bank statements. So I was able to go and print bank statements that look like the bank mailed them to you in color front and back.

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So the problem with that is that if you were to ask me to do that, if you asked me three days beforehand, I'll have them ready for you. But if you asked me two hours beforehand, And there's a lot of numbers, like unless you've got some kind of a spreadsheet that's going to automatically, you know, populate the entire thing and print it out.

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If you said, hey, by the way, I need you to send me the last bring the last six months bank statements. I'd be like, oh, we're going to have to reschedule. I just had to call you back two hours later, an hour later. Listen, you're not going to let my wife's in the hospital. I got to go. I'm going to put this back. And if that happened, I'd be like, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. Something's wrong.

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Something's wrong. Because, you know, you would, that's what I'm saying about if you ask, you can't give them too much time either. Because if you're doing this, if you're all in, these people have a lot of money. They'll find somebody. You can go find somebody online.

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Right now, W-2s and pay stubs, there are websites right now you can go to and say, hey, I need two W-2s for the last two years that say I made over $250,000. And they'll print them. You say, I want a year-to-date pay stub that says I'm making this much. They'll print them out, send them to you. Yeah, here, right here. You can't give them too much time.

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I don't know about bank statements, but... No, you're absolutely right.

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Well, that's part of the problem. They, they, they like you as a person. Correct. They don't want to embarrass you or create a, uh,

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create a tense situation by saying hey by the way could you print off the last three months bank statements for me real quick just to double check they feel like you might be like offended they don't want to offend you but we're friends we go we we go to dinner i call this guy once a week he's looking after my of course i trust him you want to feel that way sure but you have to differentiate

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Right, great. And I want to keep trusting you. So print the fucking bank statement.

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This is a business relationship. There's nothing wrong. It's like having a business friend. We're friends at business. But guess what? When I worked as an insurance adjuster for six months at this one place and I thought I had some really good friends. I never talked to those guys again.

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We're business friends. We laughed and joked and everything. I never talked to you outside of work.

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So for Alanis, why did you choose her account to pull from initially? Or was there something that you looked for down the line? Like, okay, I know that I can...

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before she would really want to buy a house and then i better pay her back by then so that's why she became it's called victim number one four million dollar house five i mean i'd be afraid everything would go wrong i wouldn't even be able to afford the taxes you know let's face it the career the music career goes that goes downhill you have to go get a job at uh

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What's the famous restaurant out there? Easy Burger or something?

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Of course. I can't make the taxes on In-N-Out Burger. Not that she's going to, but still.

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And that's, so that's what his, you didn't mention, that's what he was focusing on. That's his focus. Yeah.

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Was it the same thing? They had allocated certain funds? It was like a dormant account that they were putting money into and you just started pulling because you knew they never checked on that? Yeah, yes. Because I think it'd be hard to do on the spreadsheet if they knew they had an investment of, I got $400,000 in this account.

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And then suddenly for it to not, you know, for you to pull from that account, I think it'd be easier to continually cook the books if it was a dormant account that didn't have a lot of activity.

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God, I feel so fucking, I can't believe that this is entering my mind. And I know, I know this is wrong. Let's call me a scumbag. No, no, it's not that. It's that my first thought was, How do I do this in such a way that I can get away with it and also give myself an out?

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To me, I immediately thought, well, you know what you do is you go ahead and start another company, provide invoices for something reasonable. And then pay those invoices to this company that you're in charge of. And then I can continue to do that because most of these guys have so many invoices that are coming in.

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$25,000, $35,000.

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Because let's face it, you've got a big party. And then... All those clients aren't going to figure that out at the same time. One client figures it out and you go, what are you talking about? What do you mean? I was provided an invoice and I paid it. And then they would say, that wasn't what invoice for what you go. I don't know. I thought you had a party. You guys forwarded me an invoice.

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I mean, then you can say, well, what? It's not your. Oh, let me look into it. Blah, blah, blah. I contacted a friend of mine on the sheriff's department. He looked into it. Turns out this is this was a company that actually was doing this. It was a long term scam. I'm so sorry. We're going to go ahead and pay you back. And then I just pull from another client. Wait for them to figure it out.

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Like to me, I would be thinking, how do I do this so that I survive an inquiry? And you weren't doing that. You were just like taking it, spending it, thinking I'll pay him back later. But that was because you had a... Well, like you said, you had a real trust built up and they weren't going to inquire.

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Okay. And this has been years. You've known these people for years.

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I'm curious, as far as the logistics of the betting with the bookie, how often do you have to pay him out? Is he not affiliated with any of your partners? Are you worried about, hey, this guy, him telling somebody that you're in a gambling debt? Or how are you just calling him up? Hey, Friday night, these are the bets I'm going to make. And how often do you have to pay?

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Just I guess the whole logistics of that.

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I can't, that's horrible. What a, what a fucking jerk off, you know? I mean, true or not, it's like, but there's, there's, there's a mechanism. There's a, there is a mechanism for this, which is the justice system to take care of that. Like, you know, Throw in a little scene there to try and embarrass me. I'm about to go to fucking prison, bro. Right. Like, I got enough problems.

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You don't think that I've already brought enough embarrassment and shame onto myself, my family, my partners. And you work for one of the guys that definitely helped facilitate this whole situation. So when this whole thing is happening, I mean, are you thinking every time you do this and you pay these people off? Like, okay, boom, I'm sorry. You paid the bookie off. I paid him off. Okay.

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At no time during, and I already know the answer to this. I'm almost positive. At no time during this whole thing does this guy ever say, listen, bro, you know, you need to get a hold of yourself. You're losing and losing. He didn't give a fuck. The bookie doesn't give a shit, right? Does he ever say, you got an issue? You got a problem?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Because I'm assuming you're kind of feeling like you're friendly with this guy, right? Like you said, didn't he teach Little League or something? You met him at the Little League?

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We were at your lawyer said if you have the money and you said go after, what about the guy that made the fucking $7 million? Go after him. Go talk to him. He's got money.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, you've got the big time, you know, the... what is it, the media attention. You're going to get the big bang going after some bookie. That's irrelevant. They get to use you. They get to use all these stars' names. They get to really look. This guy took advantage of these people, and we get these big headlines.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It doesn't matter. There's going to be people in the comment that are going to say, He's not sorry. There's always some douchebag in the comment section that's going to be like, he's not sorry. Or he's got money underneath his mattress. Same thing that, listen, I have the same thing. Listen, I had American greed. Was it American? It was American greed. American greed at the end.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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says that mr cox there's still seven million five million there's still five even though my restitution's six she's like there's still five million dollars missing in cox's case and we'd like that money back like what the fuck are you saying and then they say then american greed jumps in there with it'll be a long time before mr cox can remove that money from his cayman island account

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I always joke with my, I joked with my, uh, my wife. I said, I go, how cool would it be if when I got up, get off probation, I said, I get off, we get the letter in the mail and I say, Grab your passport. We're going to the airport. I said, we jump on a plane. We fly to the Cayman Islands. And I really do have $5 million in a Cayman Islands account. I go, how cool would that be?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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She goes, very cool. Is it true? And I said, no. Okay. Yeah. There's no money hidden. Wouldn't that be nice? It would have been nice. You know what my favorite was? I used to joke about this, too. I used to say, I'm going to go one night, I'm going to dig a hole in my ex-wife's backyard, just a few feet, right?

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And then, and then, or shoot, 10 inches, you know, dig a hole, put a black box in there.

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and then bury it and then i said when i'm gonna wait i'm gonna pull up i'm gonna wait until she's pulling up in her car and i'm gonna be in the backyard digging up the hole and i'm gonna pull it out and i'm gonna throw it in the back trunk and get in the car she's gonna be like what are you doing what are you doing and i'll be like don't worry about it i'm gonna back my car out and drive away what's in the box what are you doing

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Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. I think it was a guy who was locked up who, it's funny because he had put money on my books before. You know how you can only spend so much. Which I think maybe one time, the whole time I was locked up, almost 13 years, I only hit my limit once. It was because I bought a pair of tennis shoes. I only bought one pair of tennis shoes myself, the whole time I was locked up.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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so um he would because he hit his limit every month he would send money to my books 200 bucks whatever you know and say can you buy me 200 bucks you know whatever buy me whatever you can buy you know use 40 for yourself or something you buy you know the scam yes so he would mail me he'd send that money so i i knew the name it came in it wasn't his name it was somebody else's name on the street and so

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I was joking about when I got out, I was going to the halfway house for seven months. And I used to joke with everybody. I was like, bro, I'm going to make sure that I've spent every single dollar. And so it was like a week. I think it was like maybe a week before I left. Can't get paid anymore. And I said that I actually was going to have like 79 cents.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And I was like, I have so little money on the card they're going to give me that I couldn't even use the card because they charge you like $1.50 to use it. I said, I won't even be able to get the 79 cents because they charge you $1.50 to use the card. And I was laughing about it. Everybody's like, wow, bro. I was like, you're going to totally broke. I said, totally broke.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I said, nobody's going to help me. I got nobody to send me money. Nothing. I said, but it's good, though, because I'm going to get the halfway house and I'm going to go work at McDonald's. They're like, you're not going to work at McDonald's. I'm like, I want to work at McDonald's.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I want to work at McDonald's. I want to be five years from now. I want to look back when somebody's bitching and moaning about how hard it is. I'm a motherfucker. I was working at a McDonald's five years ago with no money. And so I used to joke about this. And so when I was about to get out, he, one day I go to do something. I forget.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I get on the computer and I happen to look down and there's $400 on my account. And I went, what the fuck? And keep in mind, I don't have enough time to go to, there's no commissary for me between now and the time I leave. So I look at it and I go to him and I know it's his, the same name he has people send me money. Go to him and his name is Tommy. I go, Tommy.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I said, bro, did you send me 400 bucks? And he goes, yeah, yeah, I did. And I went, why? I said, I'm not going to commissary. And he goes, no, no, this is for when you hit the halfway house. He goes, you're going to need some stuff. And he goes, you know, he said, you're going to need some clothes.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And he goes, and I know, he said, I know you think it's funny that you're going to get out without thinking. He said, but you're going to need something. So it's 400 bucks and you've been cool with me and I'm cool with you. And he said, so we're good. And I was like, I said, bro, I'm just not like I can pay you back. Or they said, I don't give a fuck about that. He didn't give a shit.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He had plenty of money. He was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. But, So listen, that meant so much to me because I had nothing. I went and spent $300 at Walmart. And listen, people were like, you don't have any money. Oh, I don't have any. Listen, for 300 bucks, you can get an entire wardrobe at Walmart. Absolutely. It's not a great wardrobe. I got rubber black boots.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I don't know if you know this, but rubber black boots in Florida, it's not a good situation. I mean, it's complete sweat, just horrible. But I wore rubber black boots almost the whole time. Well, no, not even almost the entire time I was locked up. or in the halfway house, I wore those rubber black boots to work and back. And I got blue jeans, 29 bucks.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I think I got a couple pair, two or three pair of those. I remember I got black t-shirts that fit amazing because I was in amazing shape when I got out. Mediums, black t-shirt. And it was like 15 bucks for, or was it $20 for 10 of them? They were basically like $2 a t-shirt. They fit amazing though. Now, granted, I realized right away that you could only wash them about five times.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They started coming undone and it came in. But it's fine. I worked at the gym. So it's fine. But they work great. But yeah. So I was able to buy a bunch of stuff with that money. And I had a hundred bucks left over. Yeah. So I was lucky. People don't even realize that. Like most people don't have a Tommy. Right. And so what do you do then?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I think if you had no money at the Salvation Army, I think they would give you like a voucher and you could go into the Salvation, to the Goodwill. It wasn't Salvation Army, by the way. It was Goodwill. It was the halfway houses in Goodwill. So I think they gave you like a $20 or $50 voucher where you could go into Goodwill and get Goodwill clothes.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Which probably would have been okay too. Not as good as the Walmart clothes though. Right. Yeah. No, I get it. I'm assuming. And by the way, you know how many times I've been in Walmart prior to zero? Never. Right. Walmart. It was a joke that people stopped at Walmart. Sure. It was like it was embarrassing. You shop at what? I don't even understand what you're what are you saying? Right. You buy.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They have clothes at Walmart. What do they sell? I don't know what Walmart sells. It's like, oh, that's oh, my God, bro. Are you serious? Listen, to this day, Jess and I go to Walmart, buy stuff at Walmart. I can't stomach the idea. We went into Saks or Burdine's or Dillard's the other day and listened and had to buy clothes. They were like regular, they're like 130 bucks, 180 bucks.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Are you out of your fucking mind? Right. I can go to Bell's and get that for $12. And it says Izod or whatever. You can get Calvin Klein. You're buying $200 shirts for Calvin Klein. I can go to Marshall's and get it for $18. Yes. It's insane. I can't even stomach the idea of paying that much now. And I can pay that much. I just couldn't do it. Right. I'm sorry. No, it's good.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. No, listen, I probably, I think I did, I used to go every once in a while when I had a car. I'd probably go once or about three times a week maybe, but I don't think we go now. We probably went three or four months without ever stopping by there. I do think we went like two weeks ago. I think we stopped. But other than that, yeah. Yeah. It's the same thing. It's five, six bucks.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It's fucking ridiculous.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. Yeah. I don't have a car. Right. There's no reason for me to have a car. I almost never leave the house. If I go to the gym in the morning, Jess drives. She drives us back. We go to dinner. We go in her vehicle. There's no reason for me to drive. If the other day I had to go to H&R Block, she was at work. I took an Uber. It was $30 there. I remember exactly how much it was. $30 there.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It was $36 on the way back. $36 on the way back. Plus the tip for both of them. Like that. But to me, if I did that, I'd have to do that 20 times a month to pay for my car payment. So there's just no reason to have a car there. And the thing is what people don't realize is that to not have a car, it's an ego thing. It's slightly emasculating to be trapped.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But you have to kind of – I had to kind of sit there and go, no, this is not a responsible decision to be paying $600 or $700 a month on a vehicle that you're driving once or twice a month. And that's to go to pick up – to pick up because we ran out of creamer. That's just stupid. Just don't get your creamer. And when Jess comes home, can you swing by and pick up some creamer?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So I was like, yeah, you're an idiot, bro. That's just a waste of money so that you can, what, have to feel confident about being able to leave? Get the fuck over it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, bro, I promise you. I've got an equally... I had one that when you hit a bump, the radio went out. Yeah, exactly. I would have to bang on the dash to get the radio to come on. So it made me feel kind of cool, like Fonzie. But, you know... What was the other thing? Oh, the AC went out after about a month. The AC went out, so I had to roll the windows down. And the worst thing is...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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One day my wife – I'm sorry. One day my ex-wife was visiting my mother, and I came to visit my mother. And she had to pick up her vehicle, which was in another location. And she said she was going to call somebody or she was going to have my mom's nurse take her. And I was like, well, I can take you. And she went, okay. She said, yeah, yeah, okay. So she gets in the car and we drive there.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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As we're driving, she went to turn on the radio and it doesn't work. And I went, oh, I said, hold on, hold on. And I hit the dash. Bam, bam. And it came on. And I said, and she goes, she looked at me. She goes, are you serious? And I went, I said, yeah. And I said the whole Fonzie. I said, yeah, but it was kind of cool, though, because it makes me feel like Fonzie.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And we're driving, and she goes, it is really hot. She goes, can you turn on the AC? And I went, yeah. And I hit the windows, and they went down. And she goes, your AC doesn't work? I said, yeah. I rolled the windows down. I said, oh. I said, you mean in the car? And I go, no, no, that's for rich people. That's for rich people. I said, that's not how we're living anymore.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And I was driving, and she just was staring at me. And I looked at her, and I went, what? And she goes, you have fallen so far. And I just was like. Yeah. Yeah. But I was, I'm like, but I'm okay with it. Exactly. Like, I'm like, I feel like I'm laughing about it. I'm joking about it. Like, I feel good about it because it's a good feeling that I'm happier now that I was happier then.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I don't know how happy I'm now, but I was happier then living in the rooming house and driving a shit whole car. Then prior to prison, having all the money in the world. Right. At least the people that were around me then I knew were around me because they cared about me. Those people before that didn't give a fuck about me. Yeah. I've learned that too.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But we were back at – you had taken from the other client. It was Linkin Park. Linkin Park was so proactive about – yeah, that they – you couldn't possibly take from them. You had to take from clients that weren't paying attention.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What exactly is it that you're doing?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Are you giving them the money back or sometimes? Yes, sometimes. Okay. Sometimes.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So Howard... Sorry, when she fires you, you have a deficit with her. Right. What is that? Is that complete panic? You've got to assume they're going to do a... They're going to kind of audit the books real quick before they start, right?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, I'm assuming using powder and having a heart issue is probably not a good combination. Exactly. And you're just using it just to what? Make yourself feel better? Get yourself up and moving because you're just out of depression?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Hold on. You still skipped over something. So you're here in Tampa. You get the phone call. What do they say and what do you say to them? So good question. So they asked me, what did I do with the $4.6 million that I embezzled from? They don't even question. Did they even say what happened? I mean, were they to say you embattled it? No. Is there a legitimate reason here? Like, what's going on?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like, are we missing something?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, but you don't have the paperwork.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You've read a couple articles, right? Yeah, of course.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I was going to say, that machine, I would say, isn't even going to register that you're telling the truth when you say your name at this point. It should be so... so fucked up just because your body's in such a chaotic state.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What happens in the interim? Are you still living at your house? What's your wife saying?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, I was going to say, you know, if you went, obviously you went to prison. I don't know where you did the time, but 99% of the inmates in there blame all kinds, they'll blame everybody else. They'll blame the people that cooperated against them. They'll blame the government. They'll blame the agents. They'll blame the, like their co-defendants.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like they'll blame all these people and very seldomly, Even if they're taking responsibility, they always got too much time. Even me to this day, like 26 years, I'm like, 26 years is fucking ridiculous. But I absolutely should have gone to prison. Honestly, I probably should have gotten 10 years. You know what I'm saying? I probably did roughly the amount of time I should have.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But in general, most... So to meet an inmate that says, oh, I should be here. Or, oh, no, no. Oh, I fucked up. Oh, yeah. No, no. Totally my fault. Totally my fault. Or then the guys that go to go to prison and then their wives leave them. Then they hate their wives. They dislike their children, their wives, their relatives, anybody that gave up on them. They're like, oh, that's they're a scumbag.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They're a scumbag. Like, wait a minute. Your wife didn't sign up for this. Exactly. You see what I'm saying? I'd say this is worse than cheating because a lot of wives and husbands will accept, okay, you cheated. You had a moment of weakness. You lied a few times. Let's get past this. Let's move on. We have a successful marriage. We're partners. Let's move on.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But this is something that they look at and they're like, One, I didn't sign up to be married to a degenerate gambler, junkie or whatever. Yes. I certainly and a cheater and someone that lied about it for years.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So when someone says, hey, I and now they're going to get out, be a felon, not be able to provide for me the way I'm accustomed to, which, you know, any one of those things you could be angry about.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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i'm angry because i cheated on you it was wrong but you you should give me another chance you could maybe make an argument for that probably not but you could some people do and it's whatever it's questionable but but the combination of all those things then it's like you got to go you know it's like like my i tell you for instance you know we talked about this on the phone like my son didn't talk to me for years for a year just recently started talking to me

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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The worst part about that was, like, he has a powerful argument. You know, I can't say you're wrong. No, bro, you misunderstood. No, no. You understand exactly, and this is the decision you made. And it's, you know, unfortunately, if I was anyone but me, I'd probably be saying you probably made the right call.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You see what I'm saying? Absolutely. Like, it's a horrible situation to be in when you're absolutely wrong, right? You want to get forgiveness. I feel I deserve forgiveness. I know you feel you deserve. Maybe you deserve forgiveness. That's probably how you feel. I don't know for sure.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And the worst thing is having been someone who's gone through that, made those horrific choices, I like to think I would forgive someone because I know because I've been that person, but they don't know that. Your wife doesn't know. She's never made those mistakes.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You mentioned AA. It's funny. AA is... I mean, it's one of my dad tried to get sober so many times, so many different programs, so many different 90 days in this one, 30 in this one, 60 in this one. The only time it ever took hold was this one program that taught. It went by AA and the 12 steps. And then, of course, he kept going to the meetings.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Initially, he went to meetings every single day, probably for a year. And then he started running the meetings. And then it got to a point where he was going –

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you know, a few times, he'd go maybe three times a month, I mean, not a month, I'm sorry, a week, and then he probably continued that all the way, I don't know if it was all, I wasn't a part, I wasn't in prison, so at some point I was out of the whole situation, but it was the only thing that kept him sober the entire, almost the entire time, and I think Yeah, I really feel like that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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My sister would probably correct me. She'd probably be like, no, no, one time he fell off and whatever. But I don't think so. I don't recall that. It was the only time when he went into a program and it taught the 12 steps and he got out and entered into the 12-step program and continued with it that he stayed sober almost the entire time that I know of.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Um, other ones didn't, didn't take, I think a lot of them have, you know, overlapping similarities, but the definitely, uh, AA was, was, and, and AA was probably one of the few that I think also teaches, you know, a higher power too, which I, I, you know, I believe in, not that everybody does, but I do. So, uh, you know, I like to think that that probably has something to do with it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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At the very least, it gives you a purpose. And I think having purpose is, is huge.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So you're also trying to determine that, you know, Warner Brothers pays this guy two and a half million. Are you saying, look, we can offset your taxes by putting a million dollars into this fund and do or that sort? Are you also allocating money or say, you know, obviously having a conversation with them and saying, look, we could put this much money here.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That's the equivalent. That's the equivalent.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Same thing. Same thing.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You don't pay taxes on it right now until you take it out. But this much money here, we can buy that. You know, are you trying to manage their tax? What was the liability?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. Right. We also feel alone. You feel like you're the only one going through. And when you go to AA or something, one of these programs, you can start to talk to other people that are just like you, you realize like, well, I'm not alone and you can bounce back. And these people have been through, I don't have to lie to these people.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They've been through what I've been through and they go around and they tell their stories and you're like, That guy just told my story. That guy just told my story. These aren't completely vastly different.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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A lot of these people will have the almost unidentical story to yours, and here's how they faced it and went through it, and here's what happened, and here's where they are now, and you don't feel so alone. I think it helps you. I mean, that's just my take. I mean, I could be completely wrong. No, you're completely right. It helps you. feel better about the situation.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And I think it allows you to realize that, hey, there's a path here to get through this, as opposed to thinking about taking your own life. I'm so narcissistic. I'll take it out about 15 other people before I go. Just people that are making me uncomfortable. You know, I feel like you're contributing to me feeling bad about myself. You're going.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But yeah, so at least you know, hey, there's a path to be followed here and where you can get through this. And I know because this guy did it and this guy did it. And a lot of times those are some people that can actually help you, you know. And a lot of times there are people there that can give you good advice, albeit maybe brutal.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know, I know my dad had talked about one time there was a guy, they went around and he was complaining about, how he couldn't find a job. I just can't find it. You know, it's so hard. He was going on and on and on. He looked at him and he went, what kind of job are you looking for? He's like, I mean, are you holding out for a job making $250,000 as a board of directors? What are you doing?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You keep saying, he's like, my idiot kid can find a job. You can find a job. Maybe it's at Dunkin' Donuts. Maybe it's working at a car dealership. You'd still be working there, by the way, in Florida. Because Florida, I think part of it is that they don't hire you unless you have a felony. Um, but you know what I'm saying?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like he, but, but my dad looked at this guy and he's like, what are you doing? Like sometimes it's tough love. Sometimes it's like, stop being a fucking jackass. You come here every day for six months. I've seen you three, four times a week for six months saying, oh, how hard your life is. You can't find a job. But the truth is you can find a job.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You're holding out for a job, making $300,000 a year that, you know, maybe you have to go find a shitty job at Burger King or McDonald's or something and work your way up, but you can find a job. And, you know, that guy came up to him later. Like he found a job the next week, came up to him a week later and said, you were right, bro. Like I've been feeling bad for myself and you're right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I've been applying for positions that I get turned down to for, because I don't even, I don't qualify. And I know when I'm filling out the application, I don't qualify for this. You know, I think I deserve this, but you're right. It is easier to find a job when you have a job than it is to not to find a job when you don't have a job.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, a lot of times they don't want to humble themselves and they think, well, I'm better than working at McDonald's. Are you?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Are you better than working at McDonald's? I mean, let's face it. You've got an addiction problem. You're on the street. You've let down everybody you know. I don't think you are better. I think you go work as a cashier at Walmart until you can get a better job and you work your way up because you have some proving to do. Those guys that think, oh, I deserve better than that. The fuck, bro.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, you don't. You don't. Like, stop. Like, that is such a... cathartic thing to humble yourself and be appreciative of you have, especially when you have nothing. That's when it really helps change the person that you are is when you have nothing and to be appreciative of

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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of just the simple things you know like walking the track and feeling the sun on your face and being like wow this is like like it's funny because in those moments when you have nothing and you're walking the track in prison that you feel alive like you got nothing and you're getting out to nothing and you're happy to be walking the track and the sun's hitting your face and it feels good those are amazing moments

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Can you list the clients that you worked with or some of the more notable ones?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And did you ever run into any of them after the fact?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And the small chance that they're watching this or this gets put into a clip, do you have anything to say to them now?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Celebrity Business Manager Steals Millions from Clients (The Real Story)

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So when you move from your...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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When you move from your cousin's firm to the new firm, do you bring your clients with you? Because that would be, your cousin would be pissed. Well, he's selling anyway, what does he care? But anyway, is that a whole thing or you have to start over and get new clients or do they give you new clients?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Are these B-level clients? To me, B-level clients... if you're lucky B level clients become a level clients, but some B level clients just never that, you know, they're always secondary, you know, role. They never, they're never going to be the lead in a movie or, or do any of these people ever move up? I'm just curious.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It just kills me that you're my age and you know all the names of all these people. I mean, I recognize the only person I recognize so far is Lincoln Park. But I couldn't tell you one name. I couldn't tell you the fact that you're... It makes me feel so old or so just out of touch with the fact that you're in touch with all that you know who these people are.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And this is like middle school age that you're kind of getting into this?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Are most of the people doing this, are they like in middle school too? Or is there like, you know, older?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And do you do it as a group? Are you guys all running around together?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And are you looking for, like...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. Would you look like specifically like, oh, like this is a nice new building downtown? No. So there's rules.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And is this back in Colorado, or are you still in L.A.?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Hmm. No. And it's just, like, is it artistic? Like, is it, like, you guys are trying to make it look nice, cool?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, like, what about the train cars? Was that a...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And were you putting your government name or do you have a nickname? No. I'm not a nickname.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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West didn't.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What are you stealing?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So what is, like, your grandma and your mother, like, they know what's going on? Are they trying to help, or they just have their own issues that, you know?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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There's been a lot of video. There's a lot of like, just like normal YouTubers who cover anything and everything. And they're making videos about before this, but they're like, this guy, Wes Watson, is going insane.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, I think with him, it's a little different because his business model, too, is, like, people are paying him, like, you know, thousands of dollars for, like, coaching and stuff where it's like,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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to abuse them yeah for us like our our motto is like views money right so it's like views equal money we're not selling like a program right like a certain type of reputation like we're doing this like him having negative press hurting his reputation probably does end up hurting his business right okay um but i mean it's kind of probably to his own his own doing you know what i mean

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So you got caught up for one.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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what's old west doing these he's uh beating people up yeah we're about to do a uh video on him here soon in a week or so he beat some guy up in the gym did he oh i know i mean oh he caught it yeah he like they like assaulted somebody yeah oh bro he was like i don't know all the details um but it seemed like he was like calling people i was like if you got a problem come down here

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You're dying.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, I don't know the details, but I have heard something like that, yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Microdosing?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I think maybe that was it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'm thinking of... The guy who makes the documentaries. Oh, you're thinking about Seth? Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Faked his own death.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And they blur out everything. Please do send me the video. They blur out everything. To get monetized, they can barely share it. They can barely show it to you.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, I think the uncensored version might be on BallerBusters and Instagram. That kind of goes after...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know why?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Maybe putting on a fake lifestyle and they're selling high dollar coaching or whatever and they kind of go in there and say, not really. That's pretty funny.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I believe that now. It's not true. so I will take that story that he just told and I'll cut out all the, and he said, and he said, and this, and it'll, and it'll, it'll sound like Matt is telling us firsthand. Like I did it. Like I did this, I did that. And then all the people that have heard the story before are going to be like, they're going to be in the comment section.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It's good. The thing is, these are TikToks and Instagram reels where they're not people who sit and watch the whole podcast. This is some random guy who's just scrolling. Just fucking with you. People on the internet are just people. I say that because... the engagement is good, like good or bad. Like it's all good. It's good.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right now? I believe that. I would say it's the norm. It's more than not.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, one good Diddy video.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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One Diddy StreamYard.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What are some pitfalls that people have fallen into moving to Thailand?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, I saw this clip just last night of someone doing DoorDash, and he's living in his car doing DoorDash. I watched that guy too. But he actually makes more money off social media. He's like, I made this much money off DoorDash today, but really I made $400 or $500 off YouTube, TikTok, whatever.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And he's trying to save up like $50,000, $60,000. He's going to start building a tiny home.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yes.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sleep in his car in Seattle or something like that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I know this is a little off topic of the subject, but so what is like some of the most insane things or like frustrating things about it?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So moving to another country, how much are you packing? How much are you bringing with you? How much can you bring with you? Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Day one, what's your plan landing? You land in Thailand. What's the first thing you're doing? Where are you going?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What's the crime situation in Bangkok or Thailand?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What's the percentage of people that speak English? They don't.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They can do super chats. Yeah, yeah, super chats. Yeah, if you're streaming.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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All eggs in one basket.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I could.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You've taken... It's rough. There was this clip of this kid. He's like 14 years old. He's like, if this video gets 100,000 views, I'll do the top comment. And the top comment was, go to Thailand and become a fighter or whatever. And it went super viral. And he never went, but there was a bunch of kids.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And there was a bunch of teenagers that since this guy didn't go, they're like, if I can raise this much money, I will go. And then they raise like people give them money and then they never go. It's like a whole little thing. It's like a little subculture of people trying to move to Thailand to become Muay Thai.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You have to do bottled water?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I think everybody that's kind of been here – well, most people who have been through here have been in prison, but it's very clean. They all say that, and I look at this place, and I think it's chaos.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I see that. I think that's good. All right, so by the time we post this, we're not posting this until your first video is live.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I mean, you're not like, Jay, give him the drugs. I don't know why Jay's being like this, you guys.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Is anybody else in the house?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You already told me it was a story. I already know you couldn't have been doing the right thing.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I was going to say, couldn't you have just said like, bro, I was walking out. I walked out of my house. These guys pulled up and pulled me in the car. I didn't know what to do.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So I have a question. Why was it going toxic?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, and that guy has no idea why you were there. He doesn't know. He knows you escaped. He knows you were in a fight. You got hit. Your dreads were pulled out. So he's like, that dude was trying to escape too.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And Jay's going to help you.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But he's just sitting at home eating a TV fucking dinner with Barney Miller and you come banging on his door.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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A loyal customer.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Here's the thing. Even if I, even if I'm lying about selling drugs, obviously I still wasn't with them. We got into a fight. Jay saw me get into a fight, saw the hair get pulled out, saw me run, saw them run after me. So at the very least he knows some of your stories, correct? You weren't with them.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But if you hadn't gone to rehab, you would have gotten more buys.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He's making at least 50 grand a day for three, four days a week for months. I mean, you can do it yourself. It's pretty cheap. It's a couple hundred bucks. You could forge it all and have it put the guy's name on it. If he ever gets a phone call, he's going to say, what are you talking about?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. Did you ever talk to the guy, Jay?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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on sunday and business centers they have external boxes that are big the big square ones where there's bunches of people that businesses that put their their mail in it and yeah a little center like a crowbar breaking that whatever so you know what i'm saying so i'm going i'm going out and i'm hitting boxes and i'm getting checks and now i'm going back and i'm finding people like like and i'm really

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I remember I met a guy in prison we were talking. He said, what do you think I'm in prison for? I said, drugs. He goes, man, nobody sells drugs anymore. I said, what are you here for? He said, the tax scam. He was running the tech. They call you the drop.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So the drop, the drop that is when you go to some chick who maybe she's on welfare or whatever she's got, maybe she's got a job or, or she doesn't have a job, whatever, or you steal someone's information. So I, you get somebody's name, date of birth, social security number, and then you file taxes. for their tax refund before they can do it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So let's say, you know, whatever, January, February, March, you file taxes for these people. You say, hey, last year, $45,000. And my tax, you know, you say, I bought a Lexus. I did this. I got five fucking kids. I got this. I got, and you maximize it. And they, they're supposed to get a tax refund for like $7,500.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And then the IRS sends that money, direct deposits that money onto like a, you know, a prepaid visa, whatever. A lot of this stuff, they don't even, they won't do that anymore. But 15 years ago, It went on for 10, 15 years. People were going nuts. They were filing taxes for dead people. They were going and getting some chick who has three kids, doesn't have a job.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And they'd say, look, I'll give you a thousand bucks if you just give me your social security number and your full name and I'm going to file taxes on you. You can say you didn't do it. And so he'd file taxes and say, I made, you know, she made $55,000. She's supposed to get $9,000 back. They'd put the 9,000 on the card.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They'd go pull the money out of the card, give her a thousand dollars and walk away with the money. And it was, it was insane. Like I know so many guys and I don't mean like they were making good money. I mean, they were making millions of dollars. These are street guys that two years before that were selling drugs. And let's face it, you sell drugs in the hood.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You make 50, $60,000, 70,000 a year, you know, but you're not making it. Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And you're risking your life. You're risking going to jail for 20 years, the whole thing, getting shot. And these guys figured out the tax scam, which honestly, most guys that are involved in fraud or bookkeepers, they've been doing this since like the 80s and 90s. But what happened was it trickled down

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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into, you know, the, you know, the, I don't know, the projects or whatever you want to call it into the street, you know, street guys started getting locked up, going to federal prison, hooking up with these guys, you know, hearing about it, learning about it, bringing it back. And then they would tell everybody and it would spread.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Just like you said, you, they tell everybody else like, bro, you know, guys come to him and say, man, what are you doing? Like you're driving a You're driving a damn, a 50 or $100,000 Mercedes. You just opened two businesses. What are you doing? And they're like, all right, bro, here's what I'm doing. And they tell them, you know, and plus you need people.

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The IRS started making it harder and harder. So now I need to go to these other guys, get their social security, because let's face it, you could be 25 years old and you grew up in the projects and you sell drugs, you don't claim taxes. So they're going and they're getting their social security numbers, their names, they're doing it in their name.

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They're saying, look, I'll give you a thousand bucks for everybody's name and social security number you can get me. So then they go out and start talking to their buddies, their babies, mamas, their, their, their,

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grandparents their buddies their friends their brothers their sisters then they start stealing them then of course they get their their girlfriends that have legitimate jobs working doing whatever they go into the the employee files and start pulling people's you know their employment files and getting their names like it spreads quick and they're making tons of money tons of it and it goes unchecked for like a decade at least and they still will send out

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What's so funny is people would say, well, I don't understand. This guy's never claimed taxes. So how can you, or he's never, like he doesn't have a job. How are you filing taxes for him? I'm saying he has a job. I'm telling the IRS. Yeah, but the IRS knows. The IRS doesn't know anything. If the paperwork looks correct, And you say he made $75,000. He works at Walmart.

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You have Walmart's tax ID number. You have Walmart's information. You put all of it in. The IRS does not know that he didn't work there and they have to give him his tax refund. Now, two years later, they may figure out, we did a review. Walmart, we reviewed Walmart's information. It doesn't match up with yours. We need that money back.

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And then of course you just have to say, whoa, whoa, what money? I never got any money. Because you didn't some, but you gave somebody your, your information. He filed, you might've got a thousand bucks in cash, but you're not going to tell them that you're going to say, I didn't do it. What are you doing? I don't even file taxes. What are you talking about?

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Like, I, I don't even have a job, you know? So they're like, and then they look and they go, yeah, you don't have a job. You're right. God. Okay. Oh, I'm going to file for, I'm going to file. Someone stole my identity. So that's it, like you're off the hook.

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I was in prison with a guy who would get someone who had decent credit. So you've got good credit. You got a 650 or you got, let's say you got a 700 credit score and he would open up, let's say two corporations in your name, maybe three. Then he would go in to, you know, I don't think it was like the Apple store. They were like Verizon or T-Mobile or something.

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He'd get one of them, one or two of them. They had a plan where if you had a corporation, you could get like 10 iPhones, right? So they go in and he says, I got a corporation. I need 10 iPhones. And we're talking about the top, they're a thousand bucks a piece. They would pull his credit, say, no problem. You have perfect credit. Here's the phones. He would take the phones.

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He would sell the phones overseas. You could sell them through, I don't know whether it was Alibaba who they would sell them and they'd sell them for like 500 bucks, but that's still five grand. And if you open up four corporations for 300 bucks a piece, that's 5,000 times four. So that's 20 grand right there. You give the guy a couple thousand to go in.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And he, the thing is, is that they wouldn't put it on his credit. When he doesn't pay, they would put it against the corporation's credit. And if anybody ever called him, he'd say, what? I don't own any corporations. I've never been to T-Mobile. What are you talking about? They'd say, yeah, here's what happened. He'd go, oh man, that's crazy. I'm calling the police.

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He calls the police and files a stolen identity report. And that's it. He made a few thousand dollars. My buddy made 18,000 because he gave him two of the 20. You know, and he's got people, he's doing this. He said at one point I was doing, he said there was one point where for several months, he said literally three or four days a week, I was having at least one or two people a day going in.

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So he's making, he's making 50, at least 50 grand a day for three, four days a week for months.

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No, no. Like they would go in as them.

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Yeah, there's a corporation. He would open up a corporation. In the corporation, you can open up Florida Corps for like $300. I mean, really, if you do it yourself, I mean, you can do it yourself. It's pretty cheap. It's a couple hundred bucks. And he's doing two or three of those, but that's less than $1,000 to open up like three or four of them.

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So, hey, listen, sometimes he said, you just make the paperwork. You could just make the paperwork for the corporation, print them out on a corporate, you know, the corporate paperwork, put a tax ID number, like you could forge it all and have it put the guy's name on it. And keep in mind, if he ever gets a phone call, he's going to say, what are you talking about? I didn't do this.

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Like, corporation, you know, I work for AT&T. Like, I didn't go into T-Mobile. I have a, I have, you know, I have an AT&T plan or I, whatever. I work for Walmart. What are you talking about? That I don't do that. I've, so he just denies it and it doesn't end up on his credit. Anyway, this guy did this for half a million to a million dollars or something.

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I forget exactly how much he barely got any time to, but yeah, these guys, you know, they get, man, they're just super, super, um, uh, creative with this stuff, right?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know, people are in need. They're going to get desperate. They're going to start doing all kinds of crazy shit. But I mean, like right now, I can't tell you how many people want to just lend me money. Like everybody's coming out of the woodwork. Every credit card I have, everybody, hey, you're pre-approved up to $30,000, up to $20,000. It's like, what's going on?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like, I'm not even asking for this money. Every day I'm bombarded. For real? Yeah. So, I mean, I think banks are desperate to lend money. And I talked to somebody the other day who, who has a friend that works at a credit union and he was telling, uh, um, telling this guy, he's like, listen, he's like, we're, we're, we're lending money to almost anybody.

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Like we're desperately lending money at this point. We got money to lend. And I was like, well, like what's going on?

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Oh, yeah, yeah. That story that we had talked about, I always wondered. It's funny because as soon as I got off, I think I was so enamored with the story that I just totally forgot to even ask. But I was like, how? So the story was that you were robbing police officers' houses. You're figuring out where they work, whatever, where they live.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Then you'd go into the house, but I'm saying, and cause you knew they had guns. What I was wondering is like, how do you one know where all the, all the cops are living? Like, are you going to the police station and watching them? Or do you already, you already obviously know where some police officers live, but do you have people looking out for them? Is it like, how does, how does that work?

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And how long do you watch the, how long do you watch them to figure out what their schedule is? Cause you were super confident on your ability to know he's going to work a 12 hour shift. His wife works at nine hour shifts or an eight hours. She won't be like, I got a window of six hours here.

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What are you thinking? You're thinking he got busted. The cops are trying to get me to come with a bunch of drugs to grab me. Is that it? Or what do you think? What's your thought?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, OK. Yeah, I was just kidding.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So quick. So you're going to, you're going to start interviewing people.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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fuck it's got like 100 151 000 like i i had i had several good videos it's a couple of months though like you just 75 a few months ago no like three months it shot up it's crazy like how the fuck are you doing now like it slowed down i'll bet you over the next month it'll probably be down to around maybe three or four thousand which honestly i'm okay with like listen like

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I don't expect to blow up in six months and have a million or half a million subscribers. The truth is, I like doing this. I like talking to guys. The money's pretty consistent. It wasn't for a year.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yes. The channel has brought in between... eight to like 13, $14,000 like every month for now it's drop it. It's dropping down dramatically. So it's, you know, that's trajectoring down because the, we had several good videos that shot up, but prior to that, it was doing well and doing well was making, let's say whatever, five to seven or 8,000 like, bro.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Now keep in mind, I'm putting out four pieces of content a month. I mean, I mean, Oh, sorry. Four pieces of content a week, but yeah, And think about the watchtower. Listen, if you did, I can tell you right now what the matrix are. You're already monetized. You'll be monetized again. I know that you got a strike. So look.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, because you did something.

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Oh, right, right, right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. That has to basically be a new clip. You can use that clip within your new content, but it can't be the exact same clip. You have to do something to it. You have to alter it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, the problem is one, you're not doing it consistently along enough. You got to do it consistently. You got to, if you're going to put, do two, two a week, you got to do two a week from here on out, you know, and they need to be about the same length. So you need to say, Hey, I need, you know, I'm not either.

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You're going to do, like you said, 45 minutes to an hour long videos, then they all need to be 45 minutes to an hour long video.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, I was going to say, like, if you're already monetized and you started doing putting up two videos a week and they were, let's say, an hour long a piece, I'd say within six months, you probably be making a couple thousand dollars a month. You know, even if they were getting five to 10,000 views per. And the thing is like two grand a month to do this, that's a joke.

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Like that's, and I mean, StreamYard too, not the other stuff. A lot of guys will say stuff in my comments. Like they like it when people are in person. Well, you know, the problem in person is this. So they're like, oh bro, quit being cheap. Fly these guys in. Well, wait a second. if I, if the channel makes 12,000 a month, like, well, let's, let's say it makes, let's be more reasonable.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Let's say it makes eight or eight or $9,000 a month. I don't make eight or 9,000. Like, you know, keep in mind that there's Colby as an, you know, there's an editor involved. There are other people involved. Like I've never seen an $8,000 check. Like it, you know, by the time, you know, the, that check gets cut to me, maybe I'm getting a check for 3000 or whatever. Now,

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But keep in mind, these people are coming here to the house. I have to maintain a studio. I have to pay to have somebody switch the camera, somebody to edit all that stuff like that. But StreamYard is super cheap. So when people are like, bro, you should have flown that guy in. Well, wait a second. if the guy flew in and admittedly, if the person is in person, you get about 50 to 60% more views.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So, right. So let's say a video was StreamYard, which is what the, the, the platform we're using right now. I'm just, I know, you know that I know you already have it, but the platform we're using right now is StreamYard. There's, there's different ones. There's Riverside. There's, there's, but so let's say you're using, I like StreamYard cause I feel like it's pretty simple. So,

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If you did one on, on StreamYard and it was an hour, let's say it was an hour long. So you do it on StreamYard. It's an hour long. You interview some guy and it gets 10,000 views. so it might make roughly a hundred dollars in, in, it might be a hundred bucks in the first for that 10,000. Now, granted people will keep watching it.

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So the next time, right next month, it might make 200 views a month after that. It might make one 50, you know, in a year from now, it's making 50 views, you know, a month. It's passive income. Right, right. But it's still making. So here's the thing. So people will yell at me and they'll say, okay, bro, you should have flown that guy in. Right.

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So let's say I flew that guy in and I flew him in and that video made, he was here. So it got 60% more. It ended up getting 16,000 views. Even if he's here, and it makes 160 bucks. Let's face it. I had to pay, you want me to pay three or $400 to fly him in, $200 to keep him overnight in a hotel.

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So even if he flies in in the morning and leaves that night, you want me to spend three to $400 to fly him in on a video that's gonna make $160. Like in what world does that make sense? I make 160, I spend 400. So that's stupid. But keep in mind, would I rather be in the whole 250 bucks or would I rather make $120 on using StreamYard?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So what I'm saying, if you just do StreamYard two videos a week, And in six months, because what happens is, of course, you make that initial month, the first push, the first, when it first comes.

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I'm explaining it to people.

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Yeah. Well, so let's face it. All you have to do is double that. If you're doing four, if you're doing four a week, so probably in six months, you'll be making 4,000. And that's, by the way, that's a conservative number. The truth is you're going to have a couple of videos that are going to do good. And every once in a while, you're going to do one that gets...

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200,000 views and it's going to make a couple thousand dollars. And so, you know what I'm saying? So periodically you're going to have those and keep in mind, people are still watching the old ones.

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So the more videos you have, so you might make fourth, let's say you make, you might make a thousand dollars, 2000, let's say $2,000 a month on the videos you released that month, but you're making $2,000 on the videos that you released over the last six months. Maybe they're not making, they're not making a hundred bucks a piece.

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You're making it as difficult as possible for them. Exactly. Like, they're like, they just moved to another target. This guy's, he's wise to us. It's going to be too much of a problem.

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They're only making $30 a month now, but there's six months worth of them.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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right so that's what i'm saying like you can't say it's gonna keep on going and going right as long as you keep on doing your content right and that's the thing like the first month we're making not i mean the first sorry the first year we're making almost nothing the second year was like okay it's it's it's starting to pick up but now it's been over two and a half years and and now it's doing now it's paying all my bills yeah it's your only job now right now

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That's why before I was like hustling, doing all these other things and this, but now I'm down to where YouTube's almost my full-time job. So, you know, let's face it.

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You know the guy, even if you don't know enough people, every guy you interview knows four or five guys. Yeah. Every guy.

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All right. All right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Hey, this is Matt Cox, and I appreciate you guys watching. I hope you like the video. We're going to go ahead and play Capo's original video after this one. So if anything you heard in this video, you're like, I don't know what he's talking about. We're going to play the other one. We're going to put it on the back of this one. So check it out. Super funny interview.

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Really appreciate you guys watching. Check out the next interview. Where were you born? I was born in Augusta, Georgia, 1983.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Do you have any brothers or sisters or anything like that?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Okay. This is what Michigan, where are you again?

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But it's got that little that little key that pops that only they got. So you got to break into the box once you get it off the window. Exactly.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I mean, that's not that's no worse than already breaking in a pawn shop with the guns. I mean, you're already you're you're past the point of no return. We passed the point. Leave it there with your prints on it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You go into jail for 10 years. We know you did it. We have surveillance photos. There's what two people saw you get dropped off. We know that. The crazy part about it. Give me Paul and Billy did it. The crazy part about it, that place didn't have no cameras at all at that time. Yeah, I know that, but your brother doesn't know. There was a camera on the McDonald's across the street.

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We got another one on the, they'll just lie to you and you just start telling.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'm in Florida. They sell guns in all the pawn shops. They all got guns. They'll buy pretty much anything that they think they can sell.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Wait a second. Go ahead. Okay, look, I'm saying, isn't the truck fucked up? How are you still driving the truck? It's not damaged? You remember I said the truck that we drove, we switched out to another truck. Oh, okay. I missed that. Sorry, I missed that. Go ahead. You burned that truck up. Yeah, I thought you hadn't burned the truck yet. Yeah.

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All you said was your brother got out and got picked up. I thought you guys were still driving around in the same car. Right, OK, I was moving too fast. Sorry, go ahead.

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What about the two guys? Like, are they, did they, what happened to them? They're in jail right now. For that? For that? Yeah. Well, not today, but in this story. Okay. At this point, they're still just in jail. Yeah. So they haven't been sentenced. They didn't get bond.

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Yeah, so you still think you're invincible. You still think, like, they ain't going to catch me. I'm too smart. I'm too good. Everybody that...

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This is real tough. Listen, that's what makes them hate you. That's the kind of shit that makes them hate you.

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Hey, this is Matt Cox, and I'm going to be doing an interview with Capo. He is a former drug dealer and gun runner, and he's got a couple of quick stories for us. So check out the interview.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I knew a guy that robbed the bank. Listen, I knew a guy that robbed the bank. Put the money all around him and took pictures and put it on Facebook. And the bands... We're still on the... The place just got robbed. People he knew, it went crazy. People called the bank and said... People called the cops and said, didn't a bank get robbed like yesterday? You need to look at this. Boom.

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We arrested him. They had him arrested within a day or two. Yo, that's crazy. You just don't think they're going to put it together that fast.

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Cause I got, I was going to say, cause you, you, you got to get five years to, No matter what, you had to get five years. But your criminal history was already pretty high. That's why you end up getting with the 70 months instead of the 60.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, you know, they'll get three years. Like if I had a gun, I'm getting three years. But if I had a drug charge or it was caught with a gun and drugs, I'm getting five. Right. You already had a drug charge. So you weren't getting less than 60 months. Right.

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You didn't explain to him, I'm not getting high. I'm just dealing. That wasn't, no, that wasn't, that wasn't the way you went.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And you were in the same facility? I mean, in the same prison? Yeah. I mean, wasn't he in like a pen?

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And you were in the pen? I was in the medium. Okay, he was in the pen. He was in the pen. Okay.

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That's crazy. They should have put him in the medium or the low. He was an old man. He's not.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. Oh, yeah. Listen, but he went to trial and the whole time during the trial, the whole trial was basically about him trying to prove that he didn't cooperate. You understand? He never said he cooperated. He went to trial so that he was like, prove that I cooperated. Okay. I didn't know that. Yeah, he was saying that the FBI made it sound like he cooperated, but he never really cooperated.

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But it didn't matter by that point. Everybody already believes that. You know what I'm saying? Like if somebody says you're a rat, even if there's no proof and other people start saying it, it's almost impossible for you to prove that that's not true. So now you're going to be fighting for the next fucking few years of your sentence, even though you're like, I didn't say anything.

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But some asshole said it. Everybody else spread the rumor. And it's just impossible to get it off of you.

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I didn't even know that he was trying to say that. Yeah, there's a documentary on it where his lawyers are interviewed and they're saying they think that Connolly, the FBI agent, they think Connolly made it look like he was cooperating to protect him because he's paying him. Like he's paying him to keep to give him information.

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And Connolly is is getting the information by saying Bulger is cooperating. But most of the cooperation he Connolly was taking from other people who were giving information and saying it came from Bulger. OK. Bulger always insisted that he never cooperated. Like he knew he was going to prison forever. They were saying, look, we'll just give you like 30 years.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And he would say, no, I want to go to trial because I want to prove at trial that I did not cooperate. Because he knew he was going to. He knew he was done. So he did really want to walk comfortably. Yeah, I guess he thought he was hoping that it would come out and people would understand that it was it wasn't true. Right. You know, whether it's true or not, I don't know.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I just know that during the trial, that was really the big reason for him to go to trial because he knew he he knew he knew he's guilty. He's going to prison forever. He's going to die in prison. But anyway, I hear you. So they killed them that day. Did they lock everybody down and the whole facility? Yeah, they locked us down for three days.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You should put the hat YouTube.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I don't know who that is. You don't know Charleston White? No.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, I know. The black guy, he's great. We interviewed him. He was on Vlad. Yeah, yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So, yeah, so TikTok, like I had a guy in Canada start my TikTok, right? He contacted me. I had one before this young kid was running for me and he just didn't seem to understand that like you, certain things you just can't say and he just put up the clips and then suddenly, boom, they just, they took the whole TikTok. You know, they gave multiple warnings.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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you gotta edit the cursing out and all that stuff yeah oh yeah you can't talk about guns you can't talk about like it's all kinds of stuff right so well i mean you can you can't it depends but anyway so then i didn't even even fuck with it for a while then this guy from canada said hey can i run a tiktok channel for you and i'll direct all the traffic to you know your your uh

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Your YouTube channel. He just offered his services to you. Just offered. And this is the problem. I've had people do that before. What happens is most of the time, they just fall off. They say they're going to do it, and two weeks later, they're like, ah, it's too much work. Right, right. I get it. They're not being jerks. Their intention is...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. And I can't pay you. I'm like, look, I'm not paying somebody $450 a month to run a TikTok. I'm just not doing it. It reminds me of all your buddies in prison that left that said, man, I'm going to put money on your books. I'm going to write you letters. You get the one phone call And you get you might get 20 bucks one day, maybe, maybe then they don't answer your phone on the phone anymore.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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All the stuff they were going to do, they don't do none of it. None of it. At the time, they meant it. I always like to think that, listen, you know those guys. It's like, look, I get it and I get what you're saying, but you'll get out there. Life will take over. Yeah. You got two kids. You got a girlfriend. You got your mom needs help.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Next thing you know, it's like, do I really need to be busting my ass working and sending this fucking guy in prison money every month? Yeah. I got bigger. I got, I got two kids, man. Right. So, so I get it. So people reach out and they try and help and they just, they don't realize what it takes and they make these huge offers. And every time I've taken up people up on it, they fall short.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, anyway, this guy in Canada, when I talked to him, he actually like pled his case. Like he was like, look, I'm, I'm in real estate. You know, I do. Okay. But it's dropped off dramatically, right? He said, I'd like to ultimately do something in social media, and I think that I could take your content and run a channel, and I'd really like to do it just to see how it goes. And I was like, okay.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like, you're not sitting there lying to me, you know, and telling me, oh, I'm gonna do this and that. Anyway, and he's like, look, I'll do it for six months, and in six months, if you wanna pay me, great. If not, I'll just hand it over to you. So I was like, okay. He did it for about four months, Took it from, started the channel, actually started two channels. One of the channels never did great.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It ended up with 10,000 followers. The other one, he brought it all the way up to about 104,000, 103, 104,000. We're talking about in three months.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Three to four months. Then he, real estate picked up in Canada. He started working more. He didn't post anything for like two weeks. And I contacted him. I said, bro, what's going on? He goes, man, I'm so sorry. Work has picked up. he said, I said, was it a matter of me? You know, do you need me money? Like, he's like, no, even if you gave me money, I just don't have the time to do it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like, even if you paid me, I, I, I still have to work this many hours to keep my job. And, and he said, let me just hand it back to you. So I handed it over to me, took us another month. So I didn't post anything for over probably four to six weeks. We hired a guy, we started posting, but I can tell you right now, my, so by the way, we we've been posting for two weeks and,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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The first time we, you know, and listen, let me tell you, that TikTok, some of those videos have 6 million views, 2 million views, 4 million views. It's huge. Like that thing went to 100,000 followers. And I could tell when he would post a TikTok that did well, you could literally see my fucking, you could see my subscribers on my YouTube channel just spike for like a week.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And then the moment it slowed down, it started dropping. Oh, direct correlation, bro. Here's the thing. When he stopped for the six weeks and we started posting, the new videos we were posting were getting 2,000 views, 3,500 views, 2,200 views for two weeks. Two days ago, because we posted for two days ago, the last video, 150,000 views, 160,000 views. So I don't know what happened.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I think it's almost like the algorithm says, okay, he's serious again. Right, right. Start pushing. Yeah, yeah. What I'm saying, if you do do it, you know, it's... You know, it's worth it. It took him after it took about a month before it took off. But when it did, man, come on, we went nuts.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Does he just do it? How do you interview? What does he do? Yeah, he'll try and make a story, take a story and shove it into one minute because we also put them on Shorts and Instagram. But, you know, what are shorts going to get? You know, 2,500 views, 6,000 views, maybe. Right. You know, most of them are 2,000 or 3,000. Instagram, if it does really well, maybe it gets 50,000, 30,000.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That's not – that's nothing compared to TikTok. TikTok –

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, I don't have nothing like that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So I'm trying to get where you are though on YouTube. Yeah. But you could, you could tell your story. You know, the only problem with the way you tell your story is like, you know, and I kept waiting for you to do this and I should have slowed you down. Like I'm a horrible interviewer, bro. I'm not a great interviewer. Um, um, like Danny with concrete or somebody, they would have done a better job

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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you know, I, I'm kind of like this listening to this story and I need to kind of try and slow you down. Like I, I should have, I should have asked you like, like now I'm thinking I should have said like, well, how did you know it was a cop's house? How long did you watch it? Weren't you scared? Were you, you know, I, like, I didn't do that and I, I really should, I'm, I gotta get better at this.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But like, if you slowly told your story in little 30 minute clips and And maybe you fill it up. And I mean, slowly, like talk about I hit this house and then this one. And then that's it. That's the whole clip. Spread it out over 20, 30 minutes. Post it. You did that for 10 till you get all the way to where you are. Let's say 10, 10 short videos.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Then you started just interview other guys, other hip hop guys and their story. And just put it doesn't even matter if it's really a shitty video. What's most important is the sound quality. Because people will watch shitty video with good sound quality, but they will not watch great videos, great video quality with shitty audio. They won't do it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So it doesn't matter if your camera's messed up and it's not high quality and it's cockeyed. That doesn't matter. What matters is get decent sound quality and just interview other hip hop guys that are like starting out and post it on YouTube and make little shorts about it and put it on TikTok. TikTok will drive the traffic.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And then once you get to 10,000 followers, you can put a link and then they just hit the link and it brings them straight to your YouTube. Oh, cool. Because trust me, once you put that link on there, and I have a link tree, because you go to link tree, and then you can either go to YouTube, you can go to here. But regardless, once you do that, man, I'm telling you right now, you can see it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And every once in a while, you're going to get some clip of some guy that's blowing up and you can use their music. They'll do it because you can say, man, I want to tell the clip with your music in the background. These guys will line up to do that. Yeah, for sure. For sure. You can do it from your house just like this with StreamYard. That's cool. Yeah, I got to get StreamYard.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I like StreamYard. I think it's like $30. It's nothing. It's like $20 or $30 a month or something. Okay, cool, cool. It's totally worth it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'm telling you, I'm shadow banned. I'm shadow banned. I think I'm shadow banned. Everybody says, man, it's been two years. You should have $100,000, $200,000. Your videos should get... And they're just not. I don't know why. I mean... I don't know, but I mean, I'm I'm look like, here's the thing. I don't care if it takes another two years. Like I like doing it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It's just now at the point where it's paying my bills pretty much not great. Like I have to do other stuff, but right. A few more months, six months from now, it'll pay all my bills. When that happens, I'll double down and I won't be doing three interviews a week. I'll be doing four and five and then it'll blow up. There you go. I have time, like, you know,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like the fact that I'm doing this and then they're paying me money is ridiculous. You know, laying in your bunk in prison, you're like, how am I gonna make a living? Like, how am I even gonna get by? So the idea that I'm living in a nice house, I have a new car, I actually have a new house. Like this house was built a couple of years ago. Huh? Does your TikTok make money?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I never monetized it because the guy in Canada told me don't monetize it. He said, and look, it could have been his opinion. Well, it might have been his opinion. I don't know. He said you're monetizing it. They're going to try to stop you from making money. They're not going to let it get bigger. What did he say? He said they won't push your content as much or they'll slow it down.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I believe that. I believe that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, listen, the money- Because you got enough followers now to do so. The money on TikTok and the money in comparison to YouTube is, there's no way you're going to make the same amount of money. First of all, there's no way that a two or three minute TikTok is going to make as much as a two hour video on YouTube.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know, it's just, it's, but the other, although what I've heard is you can go live, like going live on TikTok is good. People can donate and you can make money doing that. So another thing,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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cover it and do a voiceover and just have like images of the scene and just i'm talking about yeah i've seen those guys that do that people like stuff like that yeah but you know that takes a long time that's a lot of editing like that's a lot you do your own editing yeah well not for the channel so much like i do my own tick not my own tick tock i do a lot of shorts and tick tocks i can do my own editing

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But for the channel, I have a video editor, Colby. Colby does all the editing for the channel. Okay, cool. I make TikToks and I make shorts every once in a while and I can edit.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, I like doing the interviews. Yeah, for sure. What software do you use? To edit with? Yeah. Adobe? Oh, okay. But on my phone, I ain't gonna lie, I like editing on my phone better. Really? I use Final Cut Pro. I just use it on my MacBook.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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This is... Because last time we kind of focused more on just the guns thing.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I've seen guys use iMovie.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Actually, I started on the MacBook with iMovie. Final Cut, but it's very similar. My only problem was you could only stack two on top with iMovie. Sometimes I'm stacking two, three, four different feeds.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You got to do that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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All right. I mean, we're good. Are we good? Yeah, we're good. We're good. I don't think anybody watching really wants to hear us talk about our YouTube channel. Right, right. They might. It's fine. If they've watched this far, they probably are. They're probably okay with it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, look, if you have anybody that's interested, you know, interested in telling their story, like, let me know.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Life in Prison After Being Framed: Raymond Hicks’ Insane Journey

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In den 90er-Jahren war Rossini ein 20-jähriger Los-Angeles-basierter Drogenverbrecher von Ecstasy und ICE. Er und seine Kollegen fuhren luxuriöse europäische Supermobilen, lebten in Beverly-Hills-Pennhäusern und verabschiedeten Playboy-Modelle, während sie die föderalen Entschuldigungen zerstörten.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Life in Prison After Being Framed: Raymond Hicks’ Insane Journey

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Dann, zwei FBI-Officer mit der Organisierten Krimen-Drug-Enforcement-Task-Forschung sind in die Bildung gekommen. Schlechte Agenten, die bereit sind, Fälle zu lösen und Informatik zu identifizieren. Plötzlich, zwei der Associates von Rossini, verantwortliche Informatiker, die mit der FED arbeiten, wurden ermordet. Jeder hat zu Rossini gebeten.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Life in Prison After Being Framed: Raymond Hicks’ Insane Journey

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Als seine Co-Defendanten sich für den Trial vorbereitet haben, hat US-Autor Robert Mueller sich auf Leavenworth Penitentiary in Rossini gebrieft. And another story emerged. A tale of FBI corruption and complicity in murder. You see, Pierre Rossini knew something that no one else knew. The truth. And Robert Mueller and the federal government have been covering it up to this very day. Devil exposed.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Life in Prison After Being Framed: Raymond Hicks’ Insane Journey

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A twisted tale of drug trafficking, corruption and murder in the City of Angels. Available on Amazon and Audible.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Mit Verbrechungen und bogusen Identitäten hat Matthew B. Cox, einer der wichtigsten Kon-Männer in der Geschichte, die größten Banken Europas aus Millionen gebaut. Trotz vieler Begegnungen mit Bankensicherheit, Staats- und föderalen Behörden, wurde Cox schlussendlich, und ganz glücklich, für Jahre ohne Führung verhindert.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Life in Prison After Being Framed: Raymond Hicks’ Insane Journey

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Endlich hat er den US-Secret-Services-Most-Wanted-List übernommen und den US-Marschalls, FBI und Secret Service auf einem dreijährigen Wettbewerb geführt, während er mit seinen attraktiven Frauen-Angelegenheiten weltweit auf der Luft fuhr. Cox wurde von CNBCs American Greed als eines der tollsten Mortgags-Fraud-Con-Artisten aller Zeiten bezeichnet.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Life in Prison After Being Framed: Raymond Hicks’ Insane Journey

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Bloomberg Businessweek nannte ihn den schlimmsten Schmerz der Mortgagsindustrie, während Dateline NBC Cox als einen geistigen Verkäufer und silberhäutigen Lüfter beschrieben hat. Playboy-Magazin sagte, dass sein Scam Real-Estate-Fraud war und er war der Beste. Shark in the Housing Pool is Cox's exhilarating first-person account of his stranger-than-fiction story.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Life in Prison After Being Framed: Raymond Hicks’ Insane Journey

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Available now on Amazon and Audible.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Kardashian's Realtor Arrested In $6M Ponzi Scheme

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2008.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Kardashian's Realtor Arrested In $6M Ponzi Scheme

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Okay.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Kardashian's Realtor Arrested In $6M Ponzi Scheme

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So your sentence – and you have 60 days before you go to prison. What do you do in those 60 days before you go to prison, like you personally? Like what was that – those 60 days like?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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20%.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Kardashian's Realtor Arrested In $6M Ponzi Scheme

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All right. I do have a question at this. I mean... Sorry.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Go ahead. Um... Can you, like, what was the glitch that you found to take the 100% of the commission? Is it easily describable? Sure. It's very describable.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Do CRIMINALS Regret Their CRIMES!? (Hilarious, Honest & Emotional)

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Who is at Quiggy's house?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Do CRIMINALS Regret Their CRIMES!? (Hilarious, Honest & Emotional)

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It's sound advice.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I call mom. She's like, Jason, what's wrong with you? Are you okay? I was like, Mom, I smoked.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And she's like, what? I'm in vinegar. It's not smoking. She's like, don't move. Mommy's coming.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I don't think I know what thumbnail means.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Then it gets worse.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Do CRIMINALS Regret Their CRIMES!? (Hilarious, Honest & Emotional)

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It's not the baby face?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'm sure he won't.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Do CRIMINALS Regret Their CRIMES!? (Hilarious, Honest & Emotional)

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I'm not going to put it out there. Clickbait. Kidding.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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None of that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know, to me, you know, I can't stand that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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In your world.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak

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He said, yeah, he said, there's nothing he said because we were concerned. Like, can they get a warrant? And he was like, no. He said, look, they could. He said if he had taken the test, it said he was it was his. And he said – and the money accrued. Then they – he said some states would take the extra step of getting a warrant to try and throw you in jail, he said, to get them to start paying.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He said, but they can't even – he said if they can't prove paternity, then he said, yeah, that's not going to happen. They're not going to be able to get a warrant. He said at this point – he said at this point they can't even really place – do anything other – until they can prove it, they can't put it on his credit. They can't – he said they can't garnish his wages.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They can't get a judgment, nothing. He said they have to be able to get paternity.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So if they did grab you, prove this, and you had a job in the U.S., they can what? They can garnish your wages?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They always go, really? And I'm like, yeah. I said, I know it sounds crazy, but yeah. And he goes, huh? He goes, hold on a second. He starts looking.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, it's the U S it's the state, but I, I, so when I was in Florida, I had a broker that was on child support and I, I don't know, he said, he's like, Oh, I don't know what her problem is. I pay, but I used to get letters every month saying, Hey, take money, you know, X amount of dollars out of his. And it was like 40%. And I was like, luckily he was 10 99.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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of every dollar you make, you're getting like 35 cents.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, I don't know. I, you know, he said, I said, what's going on? He said, I don't, it doesn't really give me an option for Thailand. He said, it gives you like 10, 10 different excuses I can put. He said, I don't know. I guess I'll just put mood. And he's like, he said, okay. He said, uh, thanks. I said, all right, no problem. That was it. But that's when I, uh, I remembered that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So you researched going to Thailand for a while.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What happened the other night? The other night we were going to do one of these, and you said you were with the guys from One Night in Bangkok. That was my birthday.

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When you were here, you were pissed because it was taken. You were like, you know what would be a good name? And you were like, hold on. And you came up and you were like, fuck.

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And then we, you and I talked and you know, about doing this.

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I've mentioned it to Jess once or twice. I'm like, we ought to think about going out there. And she's like 30 hours on a plane.

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How many hours is it?

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How much is that flight?

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To get here. I paid $780 for my flight to get here. You paid a year in advance.

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No, it had to be, I think it was probably September. Cause it was.

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Um, you, well, wait a minute. You went to Atlanta, uh, Then there's another flight.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Listen, every time I go Spirit, I try and get the upgrade for the front. I just went to Vegas, and on the way back, I was sitting there and, you know, whatever, playing with my phone, and all of a sudden they go, oh, we have three seats upgrade. Boom, I jumped up, went fucking straight there. Boom, how much? Okay, I'll take it. Because on the way to Vegas, I didn't.

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I got the exit row thing, which is better because you have more leg room.

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Yeah, no, I didn't. I had the aisle seat. But but so I did exit row and the seat beside me, me, but between me and the other guy was empty. So that's great. You can put your shit there. But this time I was just like, but it's still uncomfortable. So and when I walked in, you know, when you're going to the plane, you look down, you see the big seats.

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I thought, man, when I come back, I'm getting that seat. And sure enough, I did. And when we booked the tickets that every time you book the tickets, by the way, it almost always says it's full. The front seats are full. And they're like, oh, upgrades.

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Yeah, it's bullshit.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I went to Vegas recently and I'm going to L.A., to do some guy's podcast called Greg the Lawyer.

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He's got like 10 million subs. Every video he puts out gets three or four million. The problem is they're all like 15 minutes, 22 minutes, eight minutes. So he's trying to do long form content now.

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No, no, I think what's happening is he realizes, like most people, you get people... The 20-minute videos get more than a two-hour video or an hour video. They're going to get more views. And he's putting out so many.

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He's trying to make up for it.

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But he's figuring... Oh, look, listen. He's got a production set. This guy's not...

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He's kicking ass. So, and he's a lawyer now. So, but he's, I think obviously he's starting to figure out, or maybe he's going to start a new channel. I don't know. They're going to fly me out for, for like, I'm literally flying out one night, doing the thing, flying back the next day. That's it. So whatever, that's, you know, 24 hours.

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Plus I'll probably see if I can meet with the producer that I'm, I'm working with on my story. Never did get anything back, by the way, that from that, from our, you know, we won't name the name, but I never got anything back from that. Neither did Tom. So we'll see what happens. Tom said we're probably too old for their demographic.

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Yeah, that's how this was. It was like, I talked to them a week ago and then they're like, okay, when can we do it next week? It's like, so if anybody's listening that doesn't understand what we're talking about is that, you know, when you do videos and you do a lot of videos and you, for crime stories, you tend to get approached by producers who, Yes. Or whatever, executive crews, whatever.

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They all have different names, talent agents, whatever. You start getting these emails saying, hey, we're producing.

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It's pretty big. I'll talk to you after we... Listen, it's so disappointing. When I heard more about it, I was like, fuck, bro. Usually, I don't give a shit. Usually, I get these things. I can't tell you how many I've gotten. I just haven't filled out. Like I mean to fill them out. I'm not being a jerk, but I'm like, I'll do it later. I'll do it later. And then I forget about it.

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And then a month and a half goes by and I'm scrolling through. I'm deleting emails and I'll see it. I'm like, oh, I've never filled that out. Maybe a producer will contact me. And I get them all the time saying, well, I used to. saying that they want to do a documentary on me. And I'll set up a meeting with the production company and I'll do the producer thing.

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I'll talk to the producer and then he'll put, he'll say, well, we got to do another, let's do another one with my team. And then you do one with three or four people and then it drags on and drags on. Maybe they come back and they want you to sign something and so they can start pitching it. And that's typically how it goes.

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Now, if it's a – if they're like an episode, let's say it's a series, like My True Crime Story is a series that was on VH1. If it's some kind of a series, that usually happens the same way, but it happens much quicker. Within weeks, they come back. They go, okay, we definitely want you. Then we want to fly you out to New York, whatever it is.

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Just like your thing, you got flown to – what was the one you did recently?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So I've done a few of them. They flew you out. They also got Ted. I'm sorry, not Ted. They got Jeff Turner.

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J.D.? Was it J.D.?

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So, I mean, this happened like this happens, you know, all the time in Boziak. And it's funny because what happens is they must peruse the true crime channels because they hit up.

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Through TikTok. Okay.

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No, no. The one that's on my shorts channel, it's at 12 million. 12 million views. That's bananas, dude.

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Yeah. I don't know. There's other ones. That's the highest. There's other ones that are 6 million, 7 million, 2 million.

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Yeah, that's super cool. It's especially cool if somebody's with you. Like, listen, if I'm walking to the mall, somebody sees me, I'm by myself. They're like, oh, my God. Hey, Matt Cox. I'm like, hey, what's up? And I'm like, that's useless. It only it only it only feels good if like my wife is with me or a buddy is with me. Then it's like then because then your buddy's like, bro, that guy, right?

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What are you doing? What happened with the Russian? I'm sorry, he's not, is he Ukrainian?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So, all right, let's listen. Let's start at the beginning. Seriously. How many of these chicks are out there? Just one. Wait a minute. But there's other kids. You've got a kid.

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With the Clips channel? Because you're running the Clips channel, right? So my Clips channel, if anybody wants to join, go to – because it's not – like it's got like 8,000 views or 85,000. Almost 9,000 now, yeah.

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So – but it's funny because like the Shorts channel took off. Like we'll do something and it'll take off. Some things take off and some things, I mean, are dead. We have a Spanish channel. which is hilarious, but it's got no view. I mean, it's nothing. It's got like 400 fucking subscribers. Like it, nobody watches it.

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Same thing with, we started a, a Facebook page and, you know, hired a, a company pump. So they pump some money into it. They got a bunch of followers and, you know, one, one, one little post would take off and then the other ones are getting like 300 views and the other one suddenly 30,000 views. And then, but it's,

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It might be. Okay, so look, Jelly Roll or Jelly Roll? Jelly Smack had run hard. And we got to a point where we're like, listen, we're not making any money here. So we got to the point where you have to sign a contract. So when our contract was coming up, we were like, look, we want out of the contract. So then we really didn't do anything with it. We were planning on it.

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But Colby's got so much stuff on his plate. So after a couple of months, somebody contacted me and I sent them to him. And then he came back. He said, look, I had a meeting with those people. They said they want to run the Facebook page. It is basically the same kind of thing.

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No, listen. These guys are making it work.

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The guys that before weren't doing – we never made any money. These guys are making money. They're not making a lot of money. They just started out, but it's starting to make a little bit of money.

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Possibly because the guys that are helping us are running our shorts channel. Have have reached out to several true crime channels, which have then like Johnny Mitchell contacted me and said, hey, who are these guys? They're contacting me. They use you as a reference. How are they doing? I was like, bro, they're they're amazing. They're doing great. Yeah, but they're strictly true crime, right?

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And the one chick, what happened with it? She's already got a bunch of kids, right? This is like her MO.

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Yeah, I was going to say, if you do it in your in your apartment, like you got to get rid of that echo. You're going to have to throw some.

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One more thing. Well, because I had remember my my first apartment. I threw a rug down.

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Even then, it was awful.

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I told Jess that Listen, depending on how the economy goes and how things are in a year from now when my lease is up, I would say, listen, we may just buy a regular house and rent a studio. I'll just rent a place because I can't keep doing this out of the house. So here's what I was going to say is that like what the Russian guy is saying. What's his name? Sergey Pavlovich.

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So I like the idea of that, that that's what I think that the channel, that the clips channel, since what we're doing is we're taking. So for anybody, what we're taking the long form content and we're clipping it up into maybe three or four different little, you know, you take a two hour, two hour piece of content. You say, OK, here's a story. Here's the story here. This one's 22 minutes.

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This one's 17 minutes. This is 11 minutes. And we're cutting those up into three or four sections, putting a thumbnail on them and posting them on the clips channel. So what I'm suggesting is from now on, we just do scammers, you know, scammers. Right. Right. Because those are the ones that are getting those are the ones that are getting views.

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if you go back and look through the whole channel, like those tend to be the ones that would be viewed.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And listen, all black guys. No. Um, so why not? Uh, we'll call it black clips. Um, So I interviewed two other scammers, also black guys, but great stories. Oh, you know who else did well on that channel was Sidney. This guy Sidney that I interviewed, but it was a scam too. It was the Nike scam.

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Yeah, everybody loves him.

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Yeah, he's mentioned, hey, if you want me to come back and do another video. He says, I got a bunch of other stories.

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So, yeah, I think what I'm going to do is send you these additional – and we'll just start cutting those up. And then maybe not put them, maybe not because you've been releasing them where it's like, You'll take one video and you release one clip after another clip, like maybe stagger them, like one of Zach, one of Sydney, one of, you know, not just because if you don't like that person.

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Hey, you guys, you know, my buddy, John Boziak, he kind of fled to Thailand. He's a digital nomad and he's living his best life over there. But there are some other issues recently in the last few years. And especially in the last few months, I've had multiple sheriffs show up at my door and

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Yeah, other than that, I think that's probably – because somehow or another, we've got to get that channel up and running, get some more subscribers.

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Can you answer as – like right now I think you're listed as an editor or a manager or something. When you answer, it's not answering as me, is it? Can you answer as that person? We have to check that because if you could answer as John Boziak or as whatever, manager or editor or something.

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Because I've been pretty good. I haven't ever had anybody answer as me. People have made YouTube channels as me and answered people. But Colby doesn't go out and answer people as me.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But it'd be cool if – because you're running it, so – How's your channel?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That's only been like a month or so. Like you've only been doing this.

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The t-shirt designs were cool. They were cool. Like when I saw them, I was fucking immediately jealous. Like I was like, fuck. Like how did that – like those are like super – remember the guy that was going to sue me? Yeah.

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So she's getting benefits from the state, no matter what she's getting the benefits, but the state's the one who's coming after you.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What does it cost to mail it somewhere to the United States?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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We'll have to have Colby insert the commercial you sent.

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How long is this?

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I didn't think the audio was bad.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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The fact that you laugh when you say the gays.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. So how long have, has this been going on?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I like that the main design is on the back and then you have the little, just a small design here. I hadn't thought about that.

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You saw the one I did was we had my emblem here. Listen, but I can't wear it. I thought about starting to wear them. I thought about doing that. I want to do one. What I want to do is I want to find a local screen printer that I can go to, buy the shirts myself because my problem is a lot of the shirts I don't like, although the guy that made them in California for me, they're cotton.

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Well, that's the problem is that you got to do merch. Yeah, I know. But the merch that I've been doing and I took it down. It just sucks. I'm not going to wear the shirt myself. The shirts don't fit good. Yeah. I don't like them. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do the fucking hot print. It's a fucking sticker. I'm not going to do, you know, which maybe it's stupid.

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Okay. So this was after, I mean, obviously after you got out of jail, when'd you get out of prison? When'd you get 14 or 15? On my 30th birthday.

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Maybe I should just say, ah, fuck these guys. Let them, you know, they can get what they get. But that's bullshit. Like, I don't want to sell you something I wouldn't wear.

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So there's a guy in California that actually did screen prints. Huge company does screen prints, made some samples. You saw the samples. I liked the shirt. I liked the samples. I like everything. Jess and I even made a video about it. Sorry to interrupt the video you guys, but we just came up with these really cool t-shirt designs. We're opening up a store.

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We're going to have a bunch of stuff on it. If you're interested, go in the description box and click on the link to buy one. Right. I like everything about it. Here's the problem. When I turned around, I said, okay, bro, listen, like I'm going to, I want to buy them and I want to start a Shopify store. And that way, when somebody orders them, they order them from me. I can mail them out myself.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Their minimum order for screen prints is a thousand shirts. That's probably what? Two grand?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I need to make, I need somebody local that does screen printing that I can bring. I'll just buy the fucking shirts, buy them, bring them to him. He screen prints them. I put them on a rack. I set up my store and then I want to sell other stuff on the store. Like I want to have different design shirts, just like you. I may just go to your place and because, but I want it.

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But I do like some of the designs I came up with. So go to that. But I don't know. I think probably I've got some good design. So go with that. Make a store. And then I want to sell other silly stuff on there. Handcuffs, whatever. Silly stuff. Caution tape. Some silly stuff that people buy. Whatever. Signature. I'll do stuff like you did with the dollar bills. Maybe I'll sign a dollar. Oh, yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Listen, if I did that and that store made a profit of $200 a month, everybody's like, oh, it's nothing. What does it matter if I literally had to spend a day or two to set the whole thing up? And you print out all the stuff you and you make the investment of a couple thousand dollars. You print out the stuff, you stick it on a shelf.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And every time an order comes in, you take it, you stick it in the bag or the box, you mail it like that is not a lot of effort for an extra twenty four, twenty five hundred dollars a year.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So you think about those two days, you just made twenty five hundred dollars in two days. you know, I'm not going to make $25,000 on a store a year, but an extra 2000 here, 5,000 here, 1000 here. In the end of the year, you look back and you go, Jesus, I got all these little projects. And, and, but that's, that's what pays.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. Right. Well, the thing too, when you do through Shopify, if you're sending it out yourself, do you get their email address?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. So you can build an email list with that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I gotta figure this out. The problem is I spend all my time writing books like Garth Brooks is a serial killer.

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I like it. The dark humor involved in writing this fucking thing and the research and how much fun. Listen, the amount of fun I have had writing this book, it's amazing. It's going to be fun when it gets released. Yeah, I think there's a – listen, I've already talked to several big – several podcasters that are like, bro, you got to come on and do something on it.

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Like you've got to go through it, go through the whole – and I'm going to do the whole thing deadpan. I'm going to do it absolutely serious, absolutely. He's a monster. He's a monster. Listen, I think I told you this. Some of these – some of the cases that I've found – Are so like, you know, when you read them, like I was reading to Jess, like, listen to this.

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And I read her the case, like literally the person ends up missing, you know, right next to the stadium where he was. The body, the car, the body's placed in the car, driven off somewhere else and dumped like they dumped the body somewhere at one place. They leave the car somewhere else, but the car is left not – it's basically about two or three miles from the state.

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Like you could jog back there or walk back. It's like, OK, this is like – and that's one, but there's like three or four that are so close where literally the witnesses are like – This guy was there in a semi-truck. He was six foot tall with brown hair in his 30s. That was perfect for Garth Brooks. The girl ends up missing. Her car stays at the – and this is at a – come on, Matt.

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It's at a rest stop. At a rest stop along the tour, she's going to college. He's going – he's changing from one – one concert to another. They both pass. They're both along the same route, so they probably could have stopped at the same thing, same truck stop or rest stop. She disappears. He goes to his next concert. He then goes to another concert.

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Her body, five, six days later, a week later, they find her body en route to another place where he was going.

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granted whatever circle you know it's it's it's coincidence but if you you know you write it up correctly it's like you're like wow like that's yeah it's fun yeah this is and you start adding those up you start going this they ought to take a look at this guy yeah it's a lot of fun just to write it and of course there's some that are just like obviously 99 of all of them it could be

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It could be anybody. It's just circumstantial evidence. It means nothing. But still, like I said, a lot of fun. I can't wait to start interviewing psychiatrists. And I got an FBI agent that's going to let me interview him. That's worked on serial killer cases. That shit in there. Oh, it's got to be good shit. What else is that? Is are you good? You think of anything else?

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you know, I wonder if she like, cause obviously she's going to have sex with Josh. So, you know, probably fairly quickly.

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You have allergies. Is it the allergies or you're saying it's not the allergies?

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Well, your condo, what are you on? Like the 20th, 30th floor or something? 30th. 30th floor condo, brand new. Nobody's lived there. It's about 700 bucks a month. Everything's brand new.

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I went to H and R block the other day, yesterday, yesterday to do my taxes. It was $30 in an Uber to get there. Plus, you know, seven bucks for the tip. And then it was $38 to get back because it was, uh, um,

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So if you have a US income, like you're a digital nomad or something going there, it's like- You don't need much.

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Yeah. No, you did. That was a good video. That video you did where you break it down. I like the way you broke it down into three different sections.

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Hey, you guys. I appreciate you watching. Do me a favor. We're going to leave the link to Boziak's channel. Really appreciate you guys watching. Also, we'll leave his Shopify link also and probably a couple of other links for him. Once again, appreciate you watching. Do me a favor. Subscribe to the channel. Thank you very much. See you.

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So, so, So she probably went after Josh first. Yes. And Josh took a paternity test. It's not his, you know, maybe, I don't know.

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She's just trying to figure out, Hey, Okay, well, then it's him and then that guy. Like a Jerry Spring episode.

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So do you think that they know that you're like on YouTube?

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Oh, let's see. Yeah. Cause so, okay. So you are, moved in with uh with me what when what what was it uh 20 21 21 21 so just for those watching here's here's how this came about is that bozak moves in he's doing uh his youtube videos and stuff and i don't you weren't home or were you home i was probably at the tattoo shop Oh, yeah, you were tattooing. And one day I get a knock at the door.

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asking about him that's what we're going to be discussing today but i want to tell you i didn't mention this to you although this is not going to be shocking at all uh not not yesterday day before yesterday another process server yeah this wasn't a cop though this wasn't a cop and it wasn't the postal service this was just some guy knocked on the fucking door yep

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And I don't know. That wasn't the cop. No, that wasn't the cop. The first time we got a knock at the door, you were dating some girl. You ghosted her.

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Right. So I go and I knock on the front door one day. knock on the door, open the door. There's, there's two to two. Well, they were playing clothes. I'm not playing clothes. Sorry. They were in a uniform. They were like sheriffs and they, I opened the door and I look and he listened. It doesn't matter, bro. When I see, it doesn't matter if I'm doing anything wrong or not.

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I opened the door and there's a couple of cops there. I immediately think, fuck, my light's over. Yeah. So what's happening, you know? So, so, and I've told you this before. Like my fear is that, I've talked to some guy I'm in their phone as their contact, they get indicted. And just because my name's in their phone, they add me onto the indictment.

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I get arrested and I have to try and explain that. No, listen, I talked to this guy, but I don't know it. I don't know what he's doing. The point is, I opened the door on my first thing was fuck. And he goes, the guy goes, the cop goes, I'm John Bozzi. I don't know. He goes, here's John Bozzi. And I went, no, no. And he goes, he looked at me and he goes, Does he? And he said, is he?

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And my first thought was, fuck, I am on federal probation and you just lied to this dude. You'd better fix this. And I thought, fuck. And before I could say anything, the other cop, the other cop start, they started to ask if you were, does he live here? And the other cop goes, he's not in trouble. This is a wellness check. We got a phone call. That's all this is. And I went, you mean John Boziak?

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And they look at each other and they go, yeah, John Boziak. And I went, yes. I said, he does live here. And I said, what's going on? They said, well, we got a phone call from somebody who's concerned. He's not answering this woman's phone messages or responding. It's a wellness check. And I went, I said, oh, yeah, I know who it is. And then I called you on the phone. You answered the phone.

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So it was, what's your name? But that's not the only time that the cops have shown up. So then another time, not long after that, you weren't here. Again, and I get a knock on the door. And this time it's like, well, we were already getting letters. You were getting letters and you'd get the letter, you'd look at it and you'd throw it away. And then one day I get a knock on the door.

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But see, I didn't really know what that was about until I think that we got the knock on the door and I answered the door. And there was somebody who was a process servant. They go, John Boziak? And I went, no. I said, why, what's up? And he goes, is he here? And I said, no, he's not here. And he said, um... And he goes, does he live here? And I think I said, yeah, but he's not here.

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And that was the first time. And I was like, why? And they said, is he at work? I said, yeah. No, they said, where is he? I said, I think he's at work. I said, I don't know where he works, though. I don't know what the address is or anything. And he was like, because I didn't. And then I kind of started to realize, oh, wait, I don't need to answer any questions. And he was like, okay, okay.

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And he did something. He said, all right, thanks. And then he left. And then like two, three – then the letters. I think then we got more letters. Then a couple months later, somebody comes.

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They're absolutely relentless. Well, that's when I was like, hey, bro, this guy came by, and you were like, I don't live there. You don't know me. I don't live there. I'm like, okay, well, they know you live here. They're coming here. So that's not – I'm not going to do that, but I'll just say you moved. Sure enough, a month or so later, another fucking guy. Hey, is he here?

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you know, so I'm assuming it was a process server that he, maybe he worked for the post office. I don't know. I don't think so though. He didn't, wasn't driving a post office thing, you know, but he did have a little pad. And so he knocked, I, I had this, that somebody rings the doorbell. I come downstairs, I open the door. What's I'm like, yeah, what's up.

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I said, nah, bro, he just moved. Just moved. You guys came. He moved like a week later. They're like, okay, okay. And then you told me they were also coming at – where were you before this that they were coming? Was it another state you were getting –

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So, OK, so then let me think. Let me think. So then after you had moved here, after that guy had come, the couple of them, then I got another one. Then one day I remember the it was the mail lady. Right. Like the mailman, the chick from the mail lady, she came. Same thing. No, he doesn't live here. It's been gone months. Then I want to say, I don't know if you you had left. You left.

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I had a sheriff come by after you left because I remember I called you. I said, bro, sheriff came by. He came by. Hey, are you John Boziak? And I was like, no, no. I said, Eddie goes, what did he say? He said, does he live here? And I went, no, I said he moved. He said, you know where we moved?

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Well, yeah, I go Thailand. And he said – he goes, really? The same thing. They always go, really? But not like they don't believe me, but they're like, really? I'm like, yeah, yeah. He goes, is he coming back? I go, no, never. And he goes – He said, okay, okay. And listen, I stopped. I almost said, you should subscribe to his channel. But I didn't.

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And at first I thought, cause he had the pad in his hand and it was a small one. And I thought, you know, I'm looking for a package and I was like, Hey, what's up? And then he said, are you John Boziak? And I was like, no, no, And he goes, he said, does he live here? And I went, no. And he said, do you know where he's at? And I went, Thailand. And he goes, really? They always say this.

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And I remember as soon as he left, I turned around to Jess. And I go, man, I almost told him to subscribe. Because she came up behind me when I'm like, no, Tyler, never come back. And when I closed the door, I turned around to her. And she was like, she said, started laughing. She was just sticking her head. And I said, I told her, I almost fucking told him to subscribe to his channel. The girl.

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Right. Oh, yeah. She's got to figure it out.

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And you, yeah, you've already got a passport. There's nothing they can do.

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Because I remember after the cop came, we were like, whoa, this is getting serious. And I called one of the lawyers that I've had on here. Okay. What was his name? Mike was his name. I forget his name. He was hilarious, too. But I called him and got him on the phone and said, listen, let me explain the situation. And I laid it down very clearly. Here's what's going on. And laid it out.

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I just happen to have some inside information. The day after her funeral, he was given that flash drive by Kimora Simmons. Todd started shopping them around. Combs asked for a gag order to get him to stop talking. It sold over $1.5 million, and he's trying to backpedal and not pay these guys. I understand 99% of the people that are watching this know the story, but not everybody does.

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So it's like the Diddy insider reveals, you know, I forget the clickbait BS, you know, how, you know, you know what, you know what we do, you know what we do. You got to draw the crowd. I put a picture of Diddy on the front cover. It looks great. It's the clickbait, you know, the clickbait title. And listen, it gets like 800,000 something. I think it's almost at a million.

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That's like close to, I think it's close to 900,000. Anyway, the point is right with the first day, it gets like 100, 200,000 views. Within another day, it's got three or 400,000. So it's blowing up. Well, Chris Todd, so, and they start selling books. Immediately they start selling books. So Chris Todd sees this and he's like, you know what, this could be huge.

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You know, Chris Todd does not sell a lot of books. Right. You know, Chris Todd does salacious celebrity, you know, conspiracy theories. And so Chris Todd immediately turns around and he goes and he does an article. He, he calls a couple of pro he calls a couple of of reporters. Now he's been, he, by the way, he has been calling reporters because I forgot to mention this part.

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When Wade connected Chris Todd and Courtney together, Courtney told Chris Todd, Hey, I've got three. I also have three flash drives containing several videos of, of Diddy having sex with celebrities and underage celebrities. And he mentions, you know, the names of Bieber. So it's it's Bieber. It's Usher. And that's all he says right then.

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And so so anyway, so Wade mentions that Wade mentions that on the podcast and he mentions that he's got all these tapes. So we're talking. So on the one of the things we talk about on the on it is these salacious tapes that supposedly this person has. Now, we didn't we don't mention Courtney's name on because Courtney's name, Courtney didn't want to be mentioned.

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I'm assuming at that point her lawyer showed his lawyer the videotape he had of Diddy beating her up. Right. In a hotel room thinking you have to settle.

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we put out the video the video does very well the book starts selling chris todd decides i'm gonna start doing some some press he calls a bunch of reporters and says hey i'll go on the record and you can interview me about this book and about these ditty tapes we have the ditty tapes we have the ditty sex tapes what he's pitching it as and when you ask chris todd he'll tell you he's seen the tapes

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Because he's asked, have you seen the tapes? And he says, yes, I've seen screenshots. I've seen bits and pieces like of the tapes, right? I don't know that he says he's ever watched the entire tapes. But he says they definitely exist. He's sure they exist. And he knows the whole chain of custody, right? So he knows that Kimora Simmons gave them to Courtney Burgess.

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And when you hear Todd talk, he talks about how he received the tapes from two – Two Hollywood insiders. So the two Hollywood insiders are Wade Williamson. Wade runs a YouTube channel called Crime and Entertainment. And by the way, his nickname, which I love his nickname, by the way, his nickname is Hollywood Wade. The other Hollywood insider is Courtney Burgess.

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So these are the two guys that connected him. And he also knows, of course, about Kamar Simmons. So anyway, the book does really well. Todd starts doing all of these different podcasts. One of them is The Art of Dialogue. Rolling Stone magazine interviews him. The book within a couple of weeks becomes a bestseller. Wow. Now,

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Of course, the problem is, is the book is salacious and it's saying horrific things about celebrities. And it also says some stuff about horrible things that Diddy put Kim Porter through. And it also talks about I'll be sure. Well, I'll be sure is, of course, disgusted by the whole thing. He immediately gets a lawyer, sends a cease and desist letter to Chris Todd.

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Chris Todd at this point, you know, we're texting back and forth and he's telling me about what's going on. And he seemed he's not worried at all. I remember he's like, oh, well, if he wants to sue Jeff Bezos, he can sue Jeff. It's like, you're an idiot. He's not suing Jeff Bezos. He might name Amazon in the lawsuit. He's definitely naming you.

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And of course, what really happens is the lawyer ends up also sending a cease and desist to Amazon and Amazon doesn't want anything to do with it. They immediately take the book down. So it was within about two or three weeks. I think it's up for roughly a month. It ends up being an Amazon bestseller. It's an Amazon bestseller. It sold over $1.5 million in book sales. Man.

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nobody's nobody's saying that he's a decent human being i really want to put that out there up front for this video because even though people will watch this and be like oh wow you're kind of you know you're you're this is kind of helpful to him but i'm not saying he's a decent human being anyway he settles that lawsuit a few months later cnn gets a hold of the tape and releases it

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So you can only imagine how much money these guys got out of it because basically you get about one-third to two-thirds of the price of a book on Amazon. I know I got a bunch of books on Amazon. So I ain't never sold nothing like that. But I know what those figures are. Anyway, so at this point – and I'm asking Chris Todd, hey, you need to come on the program.

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You need to – and he's like, no, not right now because Chris Todd starts getting a lot of backlash. And part of that backlash is, hey, what did you do to verify that this is true? You're saying horrible things about these guys. What did you – oh, I can't reveal my – I looked into it.

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It's – remember, he says – at one point he kind of says, like, if I release – I think he kind of alludes to the fact that he has, like, the flash drives.

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and that he's going to release them. And if he were to release them, Hollywood would shut down. Do you remember saying that? It would shut down. Yeah. Yeah. So let's keep going. We're almost to a point. We just have like a little, little conversation about this whole.

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So here's the thing. I don't know much about any of this, right? Like it all seems insane, like insanity to me. I ended up sending the book. I ended up contacting the, a buddy of mine named Pierre Rossini. I asked Pete if he'll read the book and I send him a copy of the book and he reads the book and he comes back and he immediately says, something ain't right. Like, you know, there's no way.

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Like, I mean, he's talking about Snoop Dogg being gay and having sex and having, you know, semen on his back. And it's just a whole despicable, it's all, it's just ridiculous. Like, you know, that, that Kim Porter walks in on the two of them together. And it's, you, you've, you've seen it, right? You've, have you read it?

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Okay. Well, I read it. Well, I read, I read most, I think I read all of it actually, to be honest with you. I think I've read it all. It's horrible. So, all right. So anyway, horrible. And according to Pete, he's like, listen, a lot of this doesn't make sense. And he starts going through. Pete starts researching the book.

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And as he researches it, he finds all kinds of different issues with the timeline and where people were and where they really were. So there's all kinds of flaws. In the book itself, there's flaws, let alone, let's put aside Courtney Burgess' story for now. So I contact Corey. I asked Wade, put me in contact with this guy. I'd like to have this guy on the podcast because let's face it.

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I did two videos. One I did with a guy with, I did with. with Wade got almost 900,000. Another one I did with a guy, a guy named Chad Marks, just about Diddy in general. And that thing got almost a million. It's got 950 or something. It's got a ton of views. So I said, man, let me get this guy, Courtney on this, right? Right. Now my buddy Pete's telling me something's fishy about the book.

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I don't think, I think this is bullshit. I don't think he's like, I don't think Kim Porter wrote this book is what he starts telling me. So I get Courtney on the phone. I call him, I get Courtney on the phone and I say, Courtney, listen, I'd love to have you on the podcast. And we start talking and Courtney tells me on the phone that same thing. He tells me about Kimora Simmons.

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Only this time he tells me he's got three flash drives. And he tells me that he got the flash drives three months prior to her death now here's the problem with that is that if you got those flash drives prior to her death there's an issue because in the memoir Kim Porter is writing up until the moment she calls 9-1-1 and dies oh

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Well, a whole bunch of other women start filing lawsuits. So there's tons of these allegations of forced acts upon them, multiple partners, you know, and I genuinely believe that most of these are probably true, right?

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So Courtney says he received the flash drives with the book on it three months before she wrote what was on the flash drives.

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Right. But so he's not really thinking these things that he's saying through. You'll see that as we talk about this. So. I know, you know, like I realized like, God, it went from one to three, but I'd never talked to Courtney. So I don't really know. Like, it's like, I'm not in a position to say, nah, wait a minute, bro. You said this before.

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I've only heard what Todd has told me and Wade has told me.

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Oh, and this is the first time, like I talked to Todd. He told me about Kimora. Now Courtney's telling me about Kimora. And by the way, I've heard it from another source. And I'd also like to mention at, at one point, and this is later on a few months later, Courtney, Received an email from someone advocating for Todd because right now Todd and Courtney don't even talk.

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Todd is such a child. He cannot have a conversation with Courtney without having a temper tantrum. So, well, I'll explain all that. He's kind of trying to backpedal and not pay these guys. He's looking for an excuse not to pay them because the disbursement's going to Todd. Oh, Todd's so right now.

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So he's doing everything he can in his power to kind of come up with some rift between them to withhold the funds. That's my opinion. But one of the things so so he's actually called me and asked me, will you talk to Wade and tell him this and tell him that like he's telling me to tell him stuff. And I'm talking to Wade and Wade's like, I don't know what you're talking about.

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It's all bullshit. Right. Well, at one point he contacts somebody else and that person contacts, sends an email to Courtney. Courtney thought the email came from me. So he sends me the email. He screenshots it and he first texts me and he goes, yo, bro, I just read your email. What are you talking about? And I go, what email? I haven't sent you an email. He screenshot the email and sends it to me.

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In the email, the guy who's advocating for Todd tells Courtney, listen, Todd wanted me to let you know, you need to get in touch with Kimora Lee. That's Kimora's name. Kimora Lee Simmons. You need to get in touch with Kimora Lee immediately and convince her to come forward and admit, you know, and admit that she's the one that gave you the flash drives pretty much is what it says.

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Like I, you know, I'm assuming because the fact is, is that if one person calls you and says you're an asshole, you know, but you know, if 50 people say you're an asshole, you're probably an asshole, right?

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So now I've got another source that says he's been telling everybody it's Kimora. So. Wow. Right. So keep in mind, too, since the memoir came out, Kimora has come out and said the memoir is fabricated. It's all a lie that Kim Porter was not working on a manuscript. And in fact, her close friends are like saying, Kim Porter was not a tech savvy person.

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She wouldn't know how to upload anything to the flash drive. She wouldn't know how to steal videotapes off of the surveillance system and record it on flash drives. So whatever, regardless. So when I talked to Courtney, Courtney says it's three tapes. And I don't know, I'm thinking, okay, I had heard it was one, but now he's saying three. And he got them three months prior to...

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Kim, Kim Porter's death. That doesn't make sense either because the book she's writing up till the day she dies, but I don't keep mine. I'm non-confrontational. I don't like to confront guys because what happens is if you continue to confront your guests, here's what happens. You stop getting guests.

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Right. So I'll let them bury themselves and I'll walk. I will paint them into a corner if I have an issue, but I do not confront them. I talked to Courtney. Courtney says, absolutely. I would love to be on the program. And we schedule a time for him to be on the program. And keep in mind, Courtney has repeatedly is telling me what's important to him.

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And he says this over and over again is that he wants to get, he wants to get Kim's word out there. It's not about money for Courtney. Courtney's a man of principle, not about the money. He immediately asked me to give him like 500 bucks to do the program. I tell him I'm not giving you 500 bucks.

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I'm like, I don't even know what this, if, if we're gonna even get any new views, he tells me it's gonna make millions or it's gonna make, get millions of views. I said, yeah, even if it gets millions of views, that's still not gonna be that much money. Like you, you have a, you have a warped sense of how much YouTube's paying me, bro. So I, I end up telling him I work out a deal.

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Right. I mean, you know, you know, you got to start. You kind of got to sit back and say, dang it.

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I tell him I'll give him 200 bucks. No, I tell him I'll give him $200 and 20% of what the video makes.

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So, and I explained how the algorithm works and how much money he could make. If it gets 100,000 views, it makes this much. It gets a million, this much. I said, that's a rough estimate. And he goes, and I said, I'll screenshot the, I'll show you the, I'll show you the studio, how much money, the analytics, everything.

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So I guess he gets desperate because about four days later, we're about to do our podcast. And three or four days later, he calls me and says, listen, man, forget about the 20%. Just send me the $200 now. You don't owe me the 20%. Oh, okay. Listen, what a mistake that was because he would have easily made well over $1,000. But whatever. Like I said... And here's the thing.

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If he had asked me to give him the 200 bucks right then, I would have given it to him and give him the 20%. But he actually have a text that says it. I have a text that says, yeah, don't worry about the 20%. Okay. So I'm not. So we finally, we get together and we do the podcast. On the podcast, we talk about how he received the book. He will not say Kimora's name. He just tells me a friend of hers.

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that someone gave it to him. And he says, again, three months prior to her death. He also, when I asked him about the sex tapes, He tells me he also rambles on about Tupac and about how he knows Tupac. He does a bunch of rambling. He mumbles a lot, whatever. Anyway, I slowly back him into a corner about the tapes and I get him to the point where I'm like, did you watch the videotapes?

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All right. Now. March of twenty twenty four. I have a friend named Wade Williamson. Wade runs a YouTube channel called Crime and Entertainment. that Wade interviews predominantly, he interviews the mobster kind of guys, right? Great channel. I think he's got like 10,000 subscribers. It's growing. He gets decent views. Good guy. I like Wade. Well, Wade had heard from someone

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And he says, yes, he watched. He said, well, I didn't watch all of them. You know, if a man is watching another man have sex with a woman that that makes him he makes him gay. I was like, OK, well. You know, I don't know what that says about me because I've watched some stuff. So anyway, so what happens is, is he so but we talk and I said, OK, but this is what's funny.

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He didn't really watch all the tapes, but he watched enough to know that it was Justin Bieber that. He was under the influence. It was Justin Bieber under the influence. And it was Combs had sex with Justin Bieber. He had sex with Usher. He knows that Bieber, he can tell you all the tattoos that Bieber does and doesn't have. He can tell you what kind of haircut he has.

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I'm like, okay, so you did watch the tapes. Yeah, I watched some of them. Okay. Then he says, then he throws in Will Smith. Will Smith's son. I forget his name. Is it? Jaden. Jaden? Jaden Smith in there. He says, oh yeah, and Will Smith's son. And I said, were they underage? They were all underage. He even says that Bieber was probably close to 16 years old. Not quite 16, but close to 16.

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They were under the influence. He talks about how Usher was basically drinking champagne. He has a whole thing. Talks about the videotapes. And then I say, okay, do you have the video? I don't understand. You had them on a flash drive. He goes, well, I used my computer to watch them. but I got them off my computer And he said, I don't know how it works. Maybe it went to the cloud.

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He's like, I'm not sure, but I got them off the computer because I use my computer for editing at the studio, whatever. And then he ends up saying, and I said, okay, so you, but you do still have them. And he says, yeah, I still got them. I said, well, why haven't you given those tapes to the FBI? Or I'm sorry, to the feds, the government. That's evidence. That's perfect.

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100% proof that of what Combs has been up, you know, what did he's been up to? And he says, oh no, in my neighborhood, that's snitching. And my first thought was in my neighborhood, that's protecting children. Yeah. But, you know, I guess enabling a sexual predator is acceptable for Burgess, a man of principle. But what I definitely get him to admit is that he's still got the tapes.

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All three flash drives. Wait, does he say 11 on my podcast?

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He changed it from 3 to 11 on my podcast. So if you watch that video, it's 11, not 3. So he went from one flash drive to three flash drives. Now it's 11 flash drives. So while we're talking, he admits to being in possession of CP. And I tell him, you're in possession of CP. You're in possession of CP.

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And because you've moved it from this device onto a computer and off your computer, like that's distribution. And because you're walking around with it, like these are... And you've sent stuff to Todd. Now, he told me Todd has never seen any of the videos. It means that Todd is lying. If what Todd has been saying, and I believe Todd has said that he's seen the videos.

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Burgess said he's never seen a video. He says... He told me he hasn't seen any videos because he goes, even though he's been pressuring me to show him the videos, he said, I haven't given him the videos. Oh, he's been pressuring me for the thumb for the flash drives is I won't give it to him. I told him I'm not giving him to him until he gives me the money. Right.

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Todd hasn't released any funds yet from the book, from the book. Okay. So Burgess wants his cut before he gives him the flash drives. Here's the problem. I released my video and in the comment sections, people crucify him. They just cut Burgess in half. They are like, basically, did I just hear this guy say he's watching CP? Did I just hear this guy say he's in possession of CP? That's illegal.

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I'm going to contact the feds. There's over 3300 comments. Right. 95% of them are, this guy's a scumbag. He's watching this material. He has not turned it over to the federal government. I'm contacting the authorities. This guy's going to end up in prison. He's in possession of CP. Okay. At that point, I released that video. By that night, Burgess does a live video with someone.

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I forget what it is because they took it down. I don't have the link. It may be back up somewhere. But he does a live video with someone.

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It was definitely a black woman.

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So he tells her... That I already turned over the – she says, do you still have the tapes? And he says, I already turned them over to the feds. I already turned them over. Okay, so what's happened – here's what I think happened in his mind. Now, this is purely speculation. Everything else I've been saying is factual. This is speculation on my part. Burgess read the comments.

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about this guy named Courtney Burgess. And Wade reached out to his buddy who knew Courtney, and he had heard through the grapevine that Courtney worked with Tupac Shakur. I believe that Wade is a big fan of Tupac and hip hop. So he contacted his buddy, his buddy put him in contact with Courtney Burgess. And he was asking Burgess, hey, I'd love to have you come on the program.

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I know he read the comments because he texted me about the comments earlier. and how bad they were. And he texted me because he said that I was liking the comments and that I was like agreeing with the, and he said like, you told, you told people you think I should go to go to jail. And I said, I never said that. I know I never would have specifically said that. Right.

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So, you know, anyway, so he was upset about the comments. So he then tells her, I don't have the flash drives anymore. Cause he realizes I I'm, I'm admitting to a federal crime. Right. So, He tells her he got rid of them. The next day, I'm actually in an airport. I was actually coming back from... I forget where I was coming back from, but I was flying in and I was actually in the security line.

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And he texts me and says, he says, the feds just raided my house. They took the flash drives. They took all of my equipment. They stole all my... They took all my stuff. And I come back and I was like, who raided you? And I said... And he said, the FBI raided me. They had a search warrant. They took everything. They took the flash drives. And I come back and I went, listen, man.

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Well, he told me that he was raided the next day. I said, look, I saw that video last night. You didn't say, like, I basically say, you didn't say that the feds raided you. And he said, oh, well, what was I going to tell her? I was going to tell everybody my business. I don't tell people my business. I said, and then I ended up telling him, listen, why don't you do me a favor?

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Now, I know that the FBI is not involved in his case. They would not have served the search warrant. So I know this is complete bullshit. I realize he's changing his story. And I realize he doesn't want anybody to know he has the flash drives. He doesn't want anybody to contact the authorities. He wants everybody to believe that I don't have them. The feds took them. Leave me alone. Right.

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So, and he tells me that it was the day before and that they have right. I said, great. Can you send me the search warrant? He says, I ain't telling everybody my business. I'm a grown man. I'm 54 years old. I don't have to show, show you nothing. I ain't showing you the search warrant. And I was like, okay. I said, I was just wanting to see the search warrant, see what they took.

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And maybe it would give us an idea of what they were interested in.

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Anyway, I talked to my buddy, Pete, my buddy, Pete starts laughing. He goes, well, he's just trying to deflect the fact that

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know that he wants people to think he doesn't have the tapes and the tapes anymore he knows he up right four days later he texted me i don't think i'm ever going to talk to burgess again because he kind of was yelling at me like i'm a grown man i don't have to give you nothing like hey i was just asking bro i'm like and i even said to him look man i was just asking for a copy of the search warrant i wasn't asking for your bank statements right you know it shouldn't be a big deal anyway four days later he texted me again he said i was just rated again

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Really? So you read again. I said, by who? He goes, Homeland Security. So now I think, hey, you know what? That may be true. And I went, great. Can you know what's going on? And he immediately said, here's a search warrant. And he immediately text me a picture of a subpoena. Same thing he did to you.

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Of course, I read it and I realize that's not a search warrant. Why would Homeland Security raid your house if the FBI had raided it four days earlier and gotten a hold of all of your electronics, including the flash drives? So I, of course, send it to my buddy Pete. Pete reads it. We talk about it. Pete says, listen, this guy's a liar. It's not true.

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And Pete had actually made the prediction that the guy that wrote this book was Kim Porter's book is someone who is in his fifties. Probably. He said an African-American man in his fifties who knows all of the lore of that time period of Diddy. I mean, I'm sorry.

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So let me start by saying that Sean Diddy Combs was once with Kim Porter and they ended up having several kids together. He ends up adopting her son from another marriage. She was married to a guy named Albie Shore. But at some point, Kim and Diddy break up. He still pays her child support, helps support the family, everything. And she's got a house, the whole thing.

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Everything about Diddy, everything about Tupac, everything about Snoop, everything about like all of the guys that made it that he didn't everybody during that genre that made it big. And this guy didn't. This is this. And so we're already thinking this is Courtney who just penned this whole thing.

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So here's what's funny. He's been subpoenaed at this point, right?

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So he appears in front of the grand jury on October 31st. Bro, this has happened fast. This has all happened within a month. He goes in front of the grand jury. And this is what he tells me. He tells me that they played he and I's because I was the first person he was actually on there on. I was he was the first person. I was the first podcast to do a podcast with him.

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So they played my podcast. If you look at the subpoena, my podcast came out on the 23rd and the very next day, the grand jury, they issued a subpoena for him to come and appear in front of them.

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Burgess is a guy that claims to have, that he knew Tupac, they were good friends. He actually, Tupac's, I guess, One of his most, I guess, I don't know. I have a couple of buddies who were like this, this song apparently changed, changed hip hop forever. Is it Hail Mary?

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On the 26th, they serve him. So on the 28th, he shows up in front of the grand jury. Courtney told me that they played our interview as the U.S. attorney questioned him about the things that he had said. Now, I know that Courtney couldn't have possibly told them, I don't have the flash drives. anymore because the FBI took it. He can't tell the grand jury and the U S attorney, the FBI took them.

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They know that the FBI didn't take them. What he ends up, we end up finding out that what Courtney told them is I threw them out. I got rid of them. Like I did the interview and I threw them out. Now he's telling me and everybody else that, and you, that he was, he was raided by the FBI and the FBI took them, but we know he didn't tell them that.

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We also know that he's telling them he's got 11 flash drives that have been disposed of. He's watched the videos. And yet he wasn't arrested. So I think he wasn't arrested. He wasn't charged because they were just letting him bury himself.

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At that point. So he immediately goes out with his lawyer, Ariel. I forget her last name.

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Mitchell, Ariel Mitchell. He goes out and they immediately do an interview on the courtroom steps with TMZ. They then go to News Nation. And on News Nation, Ariel corrects Courtney's lie about being raided. She says he was raided. She says, I don't know how that got twisted. She said, but he was served a subpoena. And that was it. That's all she says. He was served a subpoena.

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So now we've got two raids that he lied about. She never mentions the FBI because he doesn't mention that to her. So less than a week later, the grand jury, and I'm assuming at this point, the grand jury, the US attorneys have put it together that Courtney has changed his story because he's telling everybody at this point, it's 11 flash drives. He's saying that, so he's changed his story.

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Now he's told people that It wasn't one of Kim Porter's friends. He's now telling people that it was... I think at one point he said that Kim Porter gave him the flash drives. Another point he said that it was a man that Kim Porter used to date. And then another point he says he received the flash drives from a man that has died since, since given him died.

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He also changed the timeline of he's received the, the flash drives 10 years prior to her death. to three months prior to the death and even after her death. So he's changed his story over and over again. He told you that it wasn't really his name, that Courtney Burgess wasn't even his real name.

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So Courtney Burgess, in my opinion, and I'm not a psychiatrist, but I did do 13 years in federal prison. I've been around a lot of sick people. In my opinion, he's a pathological liar. I believe, oh, by the way, so a week after he was in front of the grand jury, they issued another subpoena for him to come back. They want to talk to him again.

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I believe that the reason this was done was because they want to get, they want to double check, they want to basically paint him into a corner and get him to admit in front of the grand jury once again that he's lied. They want to get him on the record lying. But, This time, by this point, what was her name? Ariel? What was her name?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. So if, if you talk to Courtney, Courtney will tell you that he was the producer of Hail Mary. When in fact he, he, There's nowhere anywhere that says he was the producer of Hail Mary. But that's what he says. That's his his claim to fame is Hail Mary. And that he also if you and if you ask him how he knows Tupac, he'll tell you one. He did the beat on that. He was the producer of the song.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Ariel Mitchell, his lawyer. She most definitely knows that Courtney is prone to lying. And at this point, she realizes this guy's – she's been following this. She's seen him change his story multiple times. So this time when they contact him with the subpoena, she tells him, I can get you out of it. I can tell them that – you're going to plead the Fifth Amendment. You're going to plead the Fifth.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That you don't want to say anything that may incriminate you. You don't want to answer any questions that might incriminate you. And that's what she does. And so he doesn't go to the second grand jury appointment by saying, hey, I don't want to say anything because I may incriminate myself. Because she knows at this point he's done some serious damage to the government's case. Yes.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So real quick, my impression of what's happened is that Courtney saw an opportunity after Kim Porter died and probably may have started the book probably right after Cassie filed her lawsuit. So I think when Cassie filed her lawsuit and he saw the outlandish accusations and he saw that Diddy paid her so quickly.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And he thought to himself, all I have to do is connect this to Kim Porter and I can say that someone gave me this flash drive and I can try and put out the book and I can put out the book. So I think at that point is when he probably wrote the book, to be honest. Right. And now he may have tried earlier, but I think that's probably when he tried to do it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It may have been before, but I don't think so. I think he saw a quick payday. I think he thought, I can write a salacious memoir that I can cobble together by bits and pieces of kind of conspiracy that's out there in the hip hop community about, about these parties and about Diddy's behavior.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And I can, maybe I can get it published and sell it, but he wasn't bright enough to be able to do it himself. So he eventually has to have somebody connect him to Chris Todd. Chris Todd, of course, puts the book up immediately. He doesn't do any research. Chris Todd. I actually, unfortunately, because of that email that I told you about, right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Because of that email, I believe that Chris Todd really does believe that Courtney Burgess has videotapes. Now, so Chris Todd is just, he's just foolish. He's a foolish person. And he didn't want to look at it. You ever heard of willful blindness? Yes.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. He wants to believe this. So he's not looking into it because he wants to believe that Courtney has these tapes that they can either sell the tapes or they can twist it and that it's going to be connected. It's going to make Kim Porter's memoir a real thing. And they're going to make, you know, hundreds of thousands, if not millions of dollars anyway.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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um yeah at this point i would say that courtney wrote the the manuscript got it to chris todd chris todd put it on amazon they sold i think it's like over is it like close to like is it like 30 over 30 000 books or something it was an outrageous amount of books and in literally a few weeks three or four weeks

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So that's what I think this whole thing has happened, that Burgess wrote it, he connected it to Kimora Simmons. And here's the thing, Kimora Simmons has come out and said that the book is bullshit.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, nobody knows that. Nobody knows that except for maybe five people that he's told. Wow. Here's the three, the only reason I'm mentioning it now is because recently Chris Todd came out on a podcast, and Chris Todd was kind of threatening Burgess, saying he's playing a dangerous game.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And he also was friends with a group that Tupac worked with, which was called they were called the Outlaws Outlaws. So Courtney says that he represented and produced the Outlaws. Well, he did, but it was like six months after Tupac died. Kourtney signed not the Outlaws, but actually a guy named I think it was called I think his name was Hussein.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And, you know, Chris Todd's kind of a child, and he's like, but I'm better at the game, and he's going to – I'm letting him know that – I'm going to I'm going to basically say he kind of in a roundabout view list, if you know what's happening. Right. You realize he's basically saying, I'm going to let people know the source of this information, which would be Kim Porter.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And that's why I'm telling we're having this conversation because Chris Todd's about to release this information anyway. He's about to tell. I think he's about to tell everybody because right now everybody's saying, Chris Todd, you're lying. They probably think that Chris Todd may have known about this. Oh, okay.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And he's trying to say, hey, we need Kimora to come out and admit she gave us, or you, Courtney, the flash drives. But he's a fool because I don't think, because Kimora Simmons certainly has never had anything to do with Courtney and wouldn't entrust him to to get this like, why wouldn't you just give it to the government? Right. Right. So that's, that's where I'm at.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That's the whole kind of sequence of events. It's much more complicated than that. I actually wrote a whole, I actually wrote a whole, like a synopsis on the, I'm gonna put it on my website, but I haven't done it yet because I, cause you and I had had that conversation and I thought, Hey, you would be the perfect person. Cause you know, you understand exactly all of this stuff.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You understand what's happening way better than I do. Probably. I just happen to have some inside information.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What was so funny is that it correlates. You don't have any of this information, and yet you've been saying all of this. Does that make sense? Yeah, it was easy.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, you know, just intuition in general. He's changed his story so many times. He doesn't speak with confidence. He's not. He's not credible. Here's the problem with the whole thing. And the problem is, And keep in mind, Combs' team have come out and they've asked for a gag order to get him to stop talking. And that's really just kind of legal maneuvering.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They're telling him, look, he's poisoning the jury pool, right?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Here's why I think because so Combs's Fifth Amendment right has been is being is being violated, right? Like the government has to has to they have to provide a fair trial, right? Like they can't damage his allow his. his ability to get a fair trial, the government can't allow that. And it is, and he's right now, Courtney is, this has gotten, listen, this hasn't gotten millions of views, okay?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It's gotten tens of millions of views. His story has been repeated. Plus, if you take just the views and the social media views, the TikToks, all of these, He is disseminating the fact that Combs, that there are videotapes of Combs having sex with celebrities and children that are intoxicated, that are being coerced. That's what Burgess is saying. So that is violating Combs' right to a fair trial.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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The other thing is the court. The court also, even if the government came forward and said, hey, we don't think that's true. Guess what? The court has the right or has the duty to provide a fair trial also. They both have to provide a fair trial. So they have two different grounds to say that Courtney is destroying our ability to to have a fair trial.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And it's not like a local town where there was a couple of news articles and you can move it to the adjacent county or five counties over. The truth of the matter is this is all over the world. There are tens of millions of views, possibly hundreds of millions of views, or at least 100 million views of people that have seen and now believe that there are tapes showing this. So that's one problem.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He signed Hussein to a deal that they put out an album. The album did not do well. That's his claim to fame is that six months after Tupac's death. he represented somebody who was once in a room with Tupac. So there's no real connection to Tupac there. All right, but Courtney and Wade are talking, but Wade doesn't know this.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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The other problem is now all Combs, if the government doesn't charge Courtney, then Combs' law or Combs' attorneys can just put him on the stand and say, tell us about how the FBI has these videotapes. Like, tell us about this, show us this, prove to us this, tell us, and then If the government hasn't indicted, they've essentially endorsed his testimony.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So they'll make him look like a liar and then say, so you disseminated this information. The government knows. You are a witness in the grand jury. The government knows you're lying and they did not indict you, which means the government wanted you to say all these things. And we can now prove that it's a lie and you don't have the tapes. And where are these videotapes?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, they've never. I've never.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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We have tapes of Combs doing this and this and this and this.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Listen, he's about to collect a small fortune. I don't want to get into exactly... Well, I'm not saying that... I don't know if Todd's going to pay him or not.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I don't think they filed a lawsuit yet. I think they did a cease and desist.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It does, but I don't know that they're gonna be able to act fast enough. I don't know that Amazon's gonna hold that money just yet, but we'll see. That'll come out. So the other thing is, do you know, remember how everybody, remember Jaguar started talking about the tapes that are out there?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So here's the thing. When Courtney contacted Todd and told him about the flash drives, Todd started shopping them around, started telling people, reporters, he had this huge thing. He had there were these tapes. He had tapes of Diddy doing this and this and this with this. And this is what the tapes are. And that rumor got started.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So I think that those supposed tapes that were out there were started by Todd before, by the way, before the book was ever even released.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So Wade talks to Courtney and says, hey, Courtney, I'd love to have you on the program. Love to talk about Tupac. And Courtney, he checks out Wade's channel and he figures, hey, Wade's got a good channel. Wade can get me some publicity. And he says, listen, man, he said, I have a flash drive, one flash drive. He tells Wade he's got one flash drive that contains Kim Porter's memoir.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Listen to this. So we're talking about in March 30th. So it was either in March... Or, hold on. Yeah, I want to say it was in March of 2024, late March. So let's say March or, I don't know, whatever, roughly March, late March. That's when Todd first heard about the videotapes. In March.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So he starts spreading this to all the reporters out there that I have these tapes and he's looking for someone to possibly buy the tapes. Right. So think about it. Then Jaguar hears about it. She starts saying, oh, there's tapes out there. And that whole thing gets a buzz created about these tapes. But the truth is, all of this is stemming from Kourtney.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So these guys have absolutely destroyed the jury pool that's out there. And that's everywhere, by the way. You can't pick up and New York can't say, listen, we're going to take this and we're going to move this to Connecticut. They can't move it to Florida. Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Every juror out there believes at this point that there are videotapes showing combs with underage children and coercing them and and and coercing people to have intercourse. And he's drugging these people. That's what they believe, even though the truth is it's all Courtney and Todd spreading rumors. Now, listen, Todd, Todd believed it. Todd probably believed maybe it's willful blindness.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Maybe he's just naive, whatever. It's all stemming from Courtney. Let me tell you something, man. Denny may actually get his case dismissed because of this idiot.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Look, the thing is, at this point, I don't know. I mean, if it was me, I'd take the 10 years because depending on what he pleads guilty to, he could be out in six.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But once again, you know, this is a guy who's doing everything he can just to get bail. He's he's in such agony right now and such stress because of being in prison. Like he's desperately trying to get out of prison right now, get bail. So he may actually want to go to trial. I wouldn't go to trial, man.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, I don't think he's going to trial because all of these women that have that have sued him, they'll all just get on the stand and say one horrific thing against him after another. And people will throw them and they'll convict them just because of those stories alone.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So I want to say I've heard that. I'm not sure. But but. Here's the thing. Ariel wouldn't know what those stills were. That's right. Didn't he send you stuff?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Bits and pieces of a memoir that she was writing, right? Like her writings that was ultimately going to be a memoir. So she had a manuscript. Right. And now Courtney has tried to get this published before. So he's actually got a book that he put out that he gave to somebody and they're selling the books out of like the back of their cars.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. And Todd said he's seen stuff too.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But these are videos of Diddy that are already circulating from decades ago. Yeah. A decade ago.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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This is Courtney. Courtney sent you this.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. Yeah. You knew more than I did because I kind of thought that he was just a scumbag that maybe he had some tapes. Well, I don't know. By that point, I talked to Pete. My buddy had basically told me something's wrong. I think this is bullshit. This book doesn't make sense. Pete didn't know enough. about the situation other than the history that's there.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And so Pete was, so while I was talking to him, I was still very skeptical, but yeah, you just had, you figured it out pretty quickly. I think, yeah, I think he's got to get indicted, uh, I think the fact that they've called him the grand jury twice, the government doesn't indict him. Then if I was Diddy's and look, this is the thing. Look, like I don't I'm not a fan of Diddy.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I think that what I think that what he I think what Courtney has done is horrific. I mean, Courtney said thought to himself, hey, how can I make a bunch of money off the back of a dead woman who for honestly, from all accounts, despite her taste in men, seemed like an absolutely decent human being.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And Courtney thought to himself, hey, how can I make some money off of this woman's death?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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it's not available for sale it wasn't at the time available for sale on amazon he's basically got t-shirts and bumper stickers made up this is what he told me by the way his whole way and that he said they're selling the book out of the back of of one of his buddies cars that's how they had tried to to promote the promote it neither one of them apparently could get it placed on amazon for one reason or another

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So I agree on part of that, and I disagree. One, I think there's a problem. I think he's definitely, you know, on the sociopathic scale, obviously. He's definitely, I think he's, you know, obviously there's different variations of different degrees of being, let's say, a pathological liar. I think part of it is probably pathological, but I also think that a part of it is he's just a con man.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He saw an opportunity to make money. And here's the thing. Here's why I say that is he charged me money because I've done two interviews. One was $200. One was $250. Charged you $250. Every interview we've seen, I guarantee he has been charged a minimum of $200 or $300. And he's been on what? Five, six interviews?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, yeah. No, no, no doubt. Listen, it takes a cuckoo person to be a con artist. I'm a con artist. I know. I'm not all there. You're right. I promise. I have some problems.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. Look, you own up to it immediately. That's your best bet. Own up to it immediately. Pathological liars tend to just keep digging in deeper and deeper and deeper. And that's what he's done. He's blatantly lied to me over and over and over again. And because I don't confront him on it, he keeps thinking he's gotten away with it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Listen, do you remember what I sent you? Remember, so Courtney today, he sent me a letter today about, I'm sorry, a link today to an article that was written about him. Then I came back, you know what I said to him? I didn't tell you all this. I came back and I said, you know, I put, you're a rock star. I said, you're a rock star. And he goes, why I don't feel like, feel that way.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And it had died off. But when he talked to Wade, he said, Wade, you might be able to get some eyes on this thing and help me get this book out there. He said, because, you know, Diddy has recently had a lot of lawsuits and stuff against him. And I think that this may be a great opportunity for us to sell this memoir. So at that point, Wade actually contacted me.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And then I put, you'll feel like a rock star when Todd cuts your check. And he goes, yes, yes.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, all this dude is a rock star. Like he's completely taken in by me. He texts me almost all the time. Like, what you doing, Cox? Like, we're not friends.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. No, it definitely changed because he had Wade give me the number. I have his old number. Yeah. This is his new number.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, I mean, the real things don't come on your program and blatantly lie to you. It didn't work out. That's like, to me, I'm a little bit more, I was just manipulative. Like, I'm more willing to do the whole, oh, wow, golly gee whiz, that's crazy. Oh, yeah. Oh, I can't believe that happened.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It was hilarious because you just like looking at him like, and I'm thinking to myself, he don't see how he looking at him, you know, watching child CP, watching CP and being in possession of it. And then when I said, you realize that that's illegal for you to have, he's like, I didn't make it. Yeah. It doesn't matter. It doesn't mean anything.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But I think that she just... I think she's just believing what they... Todd is believing... Todd is believing Burgess and they're providing her stills and she's not in a position to determine the, you know, what, Whether those stills are legitimate, the legitimacy of those stills, are they really tapes or are they really still shots of Combs? And who are these people?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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and said, listen, this is what this guy's telling me. And I said, well, okay, is it the memoir? How did he get it? Courtney told him that he said, that a friend, a close friend of Kim Porter's had given him the flash drive the day after her funeral. And I was like, oh, okay. I said, well, wait, he said, would you want to do something with this?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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She's not she, you know, look, she's a professional person. She doesn't know any better. She's not a part of this world. She doesn't, you know, so so for her, I feel like she's been duped. Right. You know, she's been duped. But here's the thing. I think she's backpedaling because she's realized she's realized by now, hey, this guy, I think this guy's lying.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And that's why she wouldn't let him go back in front of the grand jury. Like, I can't let my client she's looking out for her client, whether he's a path, whether he's a liar or not. She's looking out.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, if the government doesn't indict him, they're effectively endorsing what he's saying and all Combs is saying.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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team has to do is get him on the stand and he'll he may plead the fifth when he gets on the stand but they'll probably be able to play his video the videos and everything else look if he if if he plead the fifth he gonna get he going to prison no i don't i don't think i mean look he's probably going to be indicted if he's indicted then he's definitely going to plead the fifth

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He can't go get on the stand and just he'll just bury himself more and more. His lawyer won't let him get on the stand.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It's possible. I think that it would have had to have been if that were to happen. I don't think it's happened yet, but I don't know. But I think when they called him back to the grand jury the second time and he he he pled the fifth, I think that's when they definitely would have said, OK, let's indict this guy. Then they would have indicted him.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They could have indicted him and it's a sealed indictment. He could be indicted. We don't even know. I think he would have stopped texting me though. I think they would have said, you've been indicted. Shut your fucking mouth. I don't think I would have been getting taxed. That's why I'm saying I'm still getting texts from him.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He answered anyway. Immediately.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What is he making at this point?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So let's say he's making $250 times eight interviews, $2,000. He may be making, if it's done more than eight. Look, between you and I, we paid him three times.

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Maybe help this guy get the book published or put it on your podcast or something like help get the message out there. And I was like, I said, honestly, I don't do a lot of hip hop stuff. I don't know enough about hip hop. It's a very, very diverse kind of, you know, I'm going to say industry or genre. And people know that you don't know what you're talking about very quickly.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You're right. He's at least made $2,500, possibly $3,000.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I mean, I got half a million.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, no, I was telling him 200 plus 20%. He said, give me the 200 now, keep the 20%.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Listen, I don't care what it is. I'll always, if I say I'm paying, I'll pay.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. And here's the thing. You know, what's really messed up is that like I never pay anybody. I never pay. Right. Right. I only paid because I felt like I wanted to try and get him on the record. I was so in shock that he was admitting to have watched these tapes.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know, I was like, I got to get this guy on the record.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, if that's the case, you wouldn't have cared if the book was published and you would have just given it to the government. You would have given the tapes to the government. That's what you would have done.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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talking but he won't stop so keep digging hey you guys i appreciate you watching the video if you liked it do me a favor hit the subscribe button hit the bell so you get notified of videos like this also if you check the description box I'm going to leave Corey's link to his podcast. It is two strong podcasts and click the link. It bring you straight to his YouTube channel and you can subscribe.

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And anybody who talks to me about it is going to know immediately like this motherfucker don't know what he's talking about.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And he's got a bunch of videos on Diddy. So I, once again, really appreciate you watching. Do me a favor. Also, please consider joining my Patreon. It really does help Colby and I make videos like this. It's $10 a month and we have Patreon exclusive content on that platform. Once again, thank you guys. I really appreciate it. See ya.

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So I said, so I'm not going to be able to do like Wade talks about it. He knows all this stuff. He grew up with these guys and, you know, he knows their music and I don't have a clue. So I kind of was like, yeah, I don't know. And then he, Wade said, listen, man, he said, what do you think about me contacting Chris Todd? And I went, he is, what do you think? Do you think is Chris Todd might,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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might be interested. And I said, yeah. I said, Chris Todd, this is the kind of thing he looks into, kind of stuff he does. I don't really know much about Chris Todd. I'd had him on my program a couple of times. And I was like, yeah. I said, you could talk to Chris about that. That's definitely how I would go. I would talk to Chris Todd. So he contacts Chris Todd. They have a conversation.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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By the way, between this time, Burgess has arranged for for Wade to get a hold of the book. Like somebody sends him or gives him a book, the actual memoir that Courtney has had published, these little sample books. Wade's read the book and Wade tells me like, bro, if this is true, he said, this dude's a monster. He goes, and it's like, literally it's horrific.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So they're still in each other's lives. Let's put it that way. But she was with him for roughly 10 years. So on November 17th, 2023... A woman that Diddy had dated after Kim, Cassandra Ventura. She and Diddy had dated for a while, I think quite a long time. And then she ends up suing him. They break up and she ends up suing him by saying that he was abusive.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He's like, and the book is talking about all kinds of, celebrities and insiders having sex with each other, you know, guys that are, that everybody thinks are heterosexual or actually homosexual. This is a combs taking advantage of people. These are, I'm not sure, like multiple people being forced and coerced into situate, you know, sexual situations where,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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look it's as bad as you can imagine everybody knows what the what's out there right so it's it's it's rough it's it's it's all kinds of of sex and i don't recall any baby oil or anything but it's all it's it's all it's all bad and it's all coercion and then he's videoing the the stuff and it's everything that everybody knows and this is all in

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Kim Porter's memoir that, that Wade is reading and Wade's read it. And he's like, listen, it's, it's messed up. And it talks about all kinds of stuff. Talks about the, the whole, I'll be sure. And Diddy talks about the kids talks about, I think it's Bieber. And he's got all kinds of people. JLo is involved. Like there there's all, all these celebrities are involved that are in the book.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It's over the top salacious. So in March of, March 25th, 2024, Homeland Security serves a search warrant on Diddy's residences, right? They hit him with the residences. They get a bunch of stuff. At that point, Wade contacts Todd. They go back and forth. They talk about it. Todd's interested, but he doesn't jump on it right away.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Then the CCT footage comes out of Cassie Ventura in the hallway of the hotel getting slapped around and dragged off by Diddy. After the footage comes out, now Chris Todd is super interested. He contacts Wade. Hey, listen, put me in contact with Courtney Burgess. He connects the two of them. Burgess sends Todd the flash drive that he's got. Now, Chris Todd doesn't quite understand what's happening.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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right? He's listening to Burgess. Burgess gets him on the phone. Burgess tells Chris Todd, listen, this is what I've got. I've got this one flash drive. I'll send it to you. He sends it to him. He contacts him and says, how did you get this? And he says, because there's nothing I can do unless I know how you got this. Burgess tells him that the day after Kim Porter's

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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after her funeral, the day after her funeral, he was given that flash drive by Kimora Simmons. He says that he and Kimora Simmons are friends. They've been friends and that they've known each other and that she had come to him and given him the flash drive. So that's the story that I get from Todd that Kimora Simmons is the link between Kim Porter and Courtney Burgess. Now, here's the thing.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Keep in mind, Courtney's just trying to get somebody to help him publish this book. He doesn't really, he did not have any idea. I don't think he had any idea that this thing was going to be a big deal. I think he thought he was going to sell some books and he'd make a couple thousand dollars. Maybe $10,000 if he was lucky, and that's it. Burgess is not a big picture guy.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What happened was I think Burgess thought, hey, I can get this to Chris Todd. He'll help me publish the book. So he tells him, hey, Kamor Simmons is the person that gave me these. We're friends. We've known each other on and off. Kimora Simmons, of course, is married to Russell Simmons. She lives in probably a $30 million house somewhere. I don't think that Courtney Burgess could get close to her.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He forced her into all kinds of horrific acts. And at that point. a bunch of other allegations come out. So everybody knows that. So she sues him. He, of course, vehemently denies everything, that all of it's a lie, none of it's true, this is absolute blackmail, and he immediately settles the case because there was no merit to it. Like the next day settles the case.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I don't think that Russell Simmons or Kimora would hire Courtney to wash their car. I don't see how, but that's what he says. Okay, that's fine. So anyway, let's move on. So I can get through this and we can have a discussion. I just want to lay all this out. Okay. So right now, you just want me to just let you talk, right? Yeah. I mean, are you... No, no, not at all.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I just want to make sure I'm doing what you want. Yeah, yeah. I just want to get to a point where we can have a... I want to let you know how we got to this point. I got you. No, no, this is good. Because these are the facts. Like, I've already interviewed these people. I've spoken with these people. These are things that have been...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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verified by multiple people you know i'm i'm gaining information i'm enjoying what you're saying at this point todd decides hey i'm going to publish the book it just so happens that he publishes the book and diddy gets arrested here's the thing though they published the book diddy's been arrested but guess what

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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nothing happens they're not selling any books i think they sold something like the number was like 36 books or 34 books in like the week or two after Diddy's, after it's been released. So selling nothing. There's no, it hits the, you know, it hits Amazon with a thud. Like there's nothing happens. All right. Now here's what happens is, so they're not selling anything.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Chris Todd, Burgess and Wade have an agreement, right? Like they work out an agreement on all of them getting a little bit of money. If the book sells. Chris Todd has published the book. And what he does is,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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wade is like man it's not selling so he contacts me and he says listen would you be willing he's like this book i'm telling you matt it's huge it's salacious there's a ton of stuff and i'm like okay he goes would you mind doing an interview with me where we can talk about the book he's maybe try and get some book sales because it's not selling and i went yeah bro i don't have a problem with that so wade goes let me contact courtney and todd he contacts courtney and todd

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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and says, look, this is what I want to do. Courtney and Todd both say, okay, well, don't mention my name. Like, don't mention me. Because they put out the book under the name, what was it? Jamal something. That apparently is Tupac Shakur's, the name he's allegedly living under, if he's still alive, whatever. Whatever. Yeah, I know. It's just silliness. So so they put he puts it out of that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So they don't want their name attached to this book.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That's what they're saying. So wait. But they say, but by all means, go ahead and do do the do the video. So Wade and I go and we do a video on on the book on Kim Porter's memoir. It's called it's called Kim Porter's Lost Words Memoir. And the book, and so we, Wade does a whole, we do a whole hour and change video on it and it actually does really well. Like it really blows up.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I was going to say that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know how they're right next to you.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, you know we have a TikTok about this.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You were saying though, you wanted to write your judge a letter for, for what?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They're like large articles. I'm actually scrolling through her page right now looking at some of the photos. Yeah, it's great.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, exactly. It's severance. Did she develop an accent?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What happened?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You said with your letter to the judge, would that be where you would ask to pay the victims back first?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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All right, how many views? What's the highest amount of views on a short from this episode? What are we hitting? 10 million?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Beverage Castle?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Did the cops ever go by, or they never saw nothing? Just waited it out?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Why you, you, he's what you're worried about him now. He's crazy. Are you afraid that they're going to follow, find the car or.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. Things like that. Are you still as nervous as the first time? No, no, no, no, no.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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In Temple Terrace.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I know where, by the way, the one's on 56th Street. I know where the Beverly Castle on 56th Street. I've driven through it many, many times. And I know where the 7-Eleven is, right where Whiteway. 7-Eleven on Whiteway, when I was a little kid,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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my mom i grew up no i grew up on druid hills road which is only two roads over my mom used to give me like a dollar and i would we were we were only a couple blocks away i would either i would ride my bike up there and you you go in you're like six years old like five back when we were young yeah you could let a five six year old he could be two miles from the house like you just let him

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You go up to the store and get some milk or do this. And I go up, I get some candy and milk. Exactly. Come back. And I know exactly where that 7-Eleven is. And the beverage counter. Yep.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That is funny.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, well, that was 20-something years ago, right? 30 years? Yeah, 30 years ago.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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How old are you?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, we'll do that. So Beverage Castles are, not every state has them. No. It's basically a convenience store that you can drive your vehicle through.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Maybe. Yeah. Sounds familiar, but I can't picture it. I can picture everything else you've said. I immediately see them.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And the person, the cashier in there, you don't have to get out of your car.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, your mom said, I think this is my son and his friend?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Because this whole area, you've hit pretty much everything in this area.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'd be scared that if you rob one of them, and maybe one or two twice, that the people that are there are going to start to think, you know what, I'm going to get a gun. Like, I'm going to have a gun. These guys are hitting these places multiple times. They're probably going to come back here. I at least want to have a weapon. Who knows?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So you were going to go to St.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Did they tell you to leave the weapon in the... Look, my fate.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What happened to the gun?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, okay. Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He took you back to see your mom? Yeah. Oh, that's nice.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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In the newspaper, you said you were in the newspapers and stuff. Yeah, Melissa still got a newspaper clip. What were they calling you?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It wasn't the Bandits? It wasn't Salt-N-Pepa Bandits?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What happened? How many was it? How many did they book you on?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So what did they say when you did go, when they got you in the jail? Did they give you a lawyer?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They think they're closed.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That's like, what, like four or five hundred years or something like that? How...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Why? Because he had gone off and robbed somebody separately?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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12 years, 19. How much time did you do back then? I did eight years on the 12. Okay. Where'd you go? Tomoka. Is that where they went? Don't they send you to like a processing station first?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Listen, I know guys that to this day will tell you it's horrible. The guards are brutal. They'll just beat your ass. They're not even afraid of being written up or having charges. It's brutal.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So if it's brutal now, what was it like 30 years ago?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I was in a federal prison.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Why? He was scared?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, I didn't listen. When the guys from state prison, they do, you know, sometimes you get like a state charge and then you have to go do federal time too. You get charged with multiple. I think some guys would do like five or 10 years in the state and then they would come to Coleman and And they would tell stories about being in the state prison that they just left.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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My stomach, I started feeling sick to my stomach. I'd be like, after about the fourth guy that would, bro, this happened. I'd be like, you just got here from state? And they'd be like, yeah, man, listen, what happened? I'd be like, no, I can't do it, bro. I just leave because it was so – this was 10 years ago. Guys are beating – they're all talking about the guards beating you up.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like, you don't even look at the guards. And when you eat, you sit down. You got, like, five minutes. They're counting down the minutes, and you just eat as quick as you can.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Why is it my boy?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FLORIDA MAN ROBS 27 STORES IN 6 MONTHS | Salt & Pepper Bandits

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Why were you, so you were in a camp that was outside? Was it a work camp?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So when you went to the camp, was it like a work camp that you went to?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'm saying when you ultimately got to the prison where you did all of your time.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, I was going to say, I was at the medium and I saw, you know, there's lots of fights and stabbings and stuff. But I went to the low security prison. I saw people were getting stabbed and cut with razors. And shoot, I saw some of the most bloody, I don't know if it was as damaging, but there was a lot of bloody fights with guys hitting each other with locks.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And that was a low.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, how much more time they give you for that?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FLORIDA MAN ROBS 27 STORES IN 6 MONTHS | Salt & Pepper Bandits

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I was just going to say, I knew a guy who had, they were giving these guys like six months or 18 months. This was in federal prison. This was like 30 years ago. The inmates killed each other. They weren't given anything. any more time. No. They would lose time or they would lose game time. Yeah, that's about it. Yeah, that's it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What happened when you got out? When I got out? You went and got a job driving a forklift.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And this is for a fill-in-a-piss test or something? Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FLORIDA MAN ROBS 27 STORES IN 6 MONTHS | Salt & Pepper Bandits

3348.371

On a technical violation?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FLORIDA MAN ROBS 27 STORES IN 6 MONTHS | Salt & Pepper Bandits

3398.007

Still, for a fucking dirty urine?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FLORIDA MAN ROBS 27 STORES IN 6 MONTHS | Salt & Pepper Bandits

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Because, you know, now as soon as they get to a couple hundred bucks, they put it in the bank.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FLORIDA MAN ROBS 27 STORES IN 6 MONTHS | Salt & Pepper Bandits

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Then you have experience. I've trained to be a Mason. Now I've actually done work. I actually have experience. Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FLORIDA MAN ROBS 27 STORES IN 6 MONTHS | Salt & Pepper Bandits

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Makes the time go fast.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FLORIDA MAN ROBS 27 STORES IN 6 MONTHS | Salt & Pepper Bandits

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It's not like they can put a picture on the local news of you guys. Does anybody know who these two guys are?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FLORIDA MAN ROBS 27 STORES IN 6 MONTHS | Salt & Pepper Bandits

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Oh, I know these guys. Guys, when they outlawed Oh, yes. Yeah, it was ridiculous. People will pay, like you said, they'll pay 10, 20 bucks for a portion of a cigarette.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FLORIDA MAN ROBS 27 STORES IN 6 MONTHS | Salt & Pepper Bandits

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Yeah, this is a cigarette.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FLORIDA MAN ROBS 27 STORES IN 6 MONTHS | Salt & Pepper Bandits

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Seven months cost 12 years. Yeah. Oh, man. Seven months.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FLORIDA MAN ROBS 27 STORES IN 6 MONTHS | Salt & Pepper Bandits

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Now they'll get to like a hundred bucks.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FLORIDA MAN ROBS 27 STORES IN 6 MONTHS | Salt & Pepper Bandits

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It can't open it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FLORIDA MAN ROBS 27 STORES IN 6 MONTHS | Salt & Pepper Bandits

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Everybody's got cameras. And almost all the money going through there is all digital anyway. There's not.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FLORIDA MAN ROBS 27 STORES IN 6 MONTHS | Salt & Pepper Bandits

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For just a second. Boom. Yeah. That was it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FLORIDA MAN ROBS 27 STORES IN 6 MONTHS | Salt & Pepper Bandits

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The car-stune? Costume, costume. Oh, costume.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FLORIDA MAN ROBS 27 STORES IN 6 MONTHS | Salt & Pepper Bandits

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So she'd give him the lowdown of what the cash drawer is.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FLORIDA MAN ROBS 27 STORES IN 6 MONTHS | Salt & Pepper Bandits

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This is funny because my first account was in Barnett Bank. In Temple Terrace, in Barnett Bank. Oh, yeah. I remember Barnett Bank, though. They got bought out by... Was it Bank of America or somebody? I forget because my account changed from Barnett Bank to whoever bought them out. Yeah, yeah. They got bought out by somebody. But anyway, I'm sorry.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FLORIDA MAN ROBS 27 STORES IN 6 MONTHS | Salt & Pepper Bandits

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She just told somebody?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FLORIDA MAN ROBS 27 STORES IN 6 MONTHS | Salt & Pepper Bandits

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you know what i'm saying did you ever have a store where you went in and the cashier refused no no and then i refused what we had we interviewed a guy where he went in and he had a gun and everything hold the gun on the chair she's like no i'm not giving anything i'm not no oh no and he just he got frustrated went to the bank down the street went down and grabbed them and got them

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FLORIDA MAN ROBS 27 STORES IN 6 MONTHS | Salt & Pepper Bandits

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She's like arguing with me.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FLORIDA MAN ROBS 27 STORES IN 6 MONTHS | Salt & Pepper Bandits

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Listen, I saw a TikTok the other day where the girl goes, the guy's got a gun, give me the money. And she says, I don't think that's a real gun. He goes, you want to see how real it is? Pow! And he hit her in the head with it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FLORIDA MAN ROBS 27 STORES IN 6 MONTHS | Salt & Pepper Bandits

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You might run in there and think there's one person and there's actually some guy walks out and he's got a piece. You don't know.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FLORIDA MAN ROBS 27 STORES IN 6 MONTHS | Salt & Pepper Bandits

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He was a bad influence?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FLORIDA MAN ROBS 27 STORES IN 6 MONTHS | Salt & Pepper Bandits

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I'm sorry. I was going to say, you good? I mean, you feel like we've...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FLORIDA MAN ROBS 27 STORES IN 6 MONTHS | Salt & Pepper Bandits

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You feel like you're, are you good with this? Yeah. You feel like you hit all the highlights? Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Every day. I mean, you're just going around the, is it just, how many are in the general area?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FLORIDA MAN ROBS 27 STORES IN 6 MONTHS | Salt & Pepper Bandits

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The same ones? Over and over again?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FLORIDA MAN ROBS 27 STORES IN 6 MONTHS | Salt & Pepper Bandits

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So what's the next one you robbed?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FLORIDA MAN ROBS 27 STORES IN 6 MONTHS | Salt & Pepper Bandits

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Did you have a gun this time?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FLORIDA MAN ROBS 27 STORES IN 6 MONTHS | Salt & Pepper Bandits

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So what do you mean this guy could have killed you? Was he a big guy or did he have a gun?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FLORIDA MAN ROBS 27 STORES IN 6 MONTHS | Salt & Pepper Bandits

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Grabbed his gun.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FLORIDA MAN ROBS 27 STORES IN 6 MONTHS | Salt & Pepper Bandits

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When these are happening, are there like newspaper articles coming out saying, hey, the beverage castle on Brandon Boulevard was robbed?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FLORIDA MAN ROBS 27 STORES IN 6 MONTHS | Salt & Pepper Bandits

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It didn't work?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FLORIDA MAN ROBS 27 STORES IN 6 MONTHS | Salt & Pepper Bandits

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Yeah, you might as well charge him with a gun.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FLORIDA MAN ROBS 27 STORES IN 6 MONTHS | Salt & Pepper Bandits

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And when you said it had everything, I was thinking, like, it's got, like, a convenience store. It has a gym. It has a pool. Oh.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FLORIDA MAN ROBS 27 STORES IN 6 MONTHS | Salt & Pepper Bandits

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It was a restaurant. Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FLORIDA MAN ROBS 27 STORES IN 6 MONTHS | Salt & Pepper Bandits

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Oh, the LX. Yeah. It was the Mustang, the 5.0, the LX. I had a Mustang LX 5.0. Yeah. It was faster than the GT. Yeah. Yeah, they were a little bit faster because they didn't have all the skirting and all this stuff, so they weren't heavy.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Exposing The Government's Secret Crypto Scam | Rigged From The Start

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Will it still be USD or will it be titled?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Exposing The Government's Secret Crypto Scam | Rigged From The Start

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And so it probably, what, the price of Ethereum skyrocketed and then Ripple—

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Exposing The Government's Secret Crypto Scam | Rigged From The Start

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And then after the drop. And then Ripple. Ethereum. Yeah, and then Ripple just. Ripple crashed. Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Exposing The Government's Secret Crypto Scam | Rigged From The Start

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Oh, I didn't know that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Exposing The Government's Secret Crypto Scam | Rigged From The Start

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And what happened in the last month that made it go up 300%? Because right now it's at, what, like $2 and something.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So if I'm trading, let's just say, a digital asset or NFT with Ripple, I'm not going to have those large transaction fees. Correct. And I'm not going to have the extremely long wait times.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Exposing The Government's Secret Crypto Scam | Rigged From The Start

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Any idea how much revenue or Bitcoin that facility is producing?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Exposing The Government's Secret Crypto Scam | Rigged From The Start

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Hasn't there been stable coins that have crashed? They're supposed to be at a dollar state, even a dollar, and then something happens. Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Exposing The Government's Secret Crypto Scam | Rigged From The Start

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And you're saying that over the next five years, most of the transactions will be done with the digital currency with the different, I guess, states?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Exposing The Government's Secret Crypto Scam | Rigged From The Start

4367.439

Rudyard. Rudyard.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Exposing The Government's Secret Crypto Scam | Rigged From The Start

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He actually lives in Texas, doesn't he?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Exposing The Government's Secret Crypto Scam | Rigged From The Start

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Or in the 1800s when this happened, this happened. Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Exposing The Government's Secret Crypto Scam | Rigged From The Start

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He said his videos will get to like 200,000, and they get demonetized. It'll kind of flatten out, and that's almost identical to what our video did.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Exposing The Government's Secret Crypto Scam | Rigged From The Start

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It should, because we've mentioned it before. We mentioned the situation. We're pretty far gone.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Exposing The Government's Secret Crypto Scam | Rigged From The Start

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what would you say because i feel like most people on on their stance on kind of crypto uh currencies it's either they're passionate or they're they're it's pretty polarizing like they're passionate one way or the other like what would you say like the people that are like i'm not touching that thing with a 10-foot pole like all the things all the scandals things have gone on over the last few years with it

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Exposing The Government's Secret Crypto Scam | Rigged From The Start

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Will they have a choice? Will there not be a choice in five to ten years where they're going to have to be using some type of crypto? There's no alternative.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Exposing The Government's Secret Crypto Scam | Rigged From The Start

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And is it to the point now where that is more efficient? Like with ripple, it's more efficient than just using it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Exposing The Government's Secret Crypto Scam | Rigged From The Start

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I had a guy come give me a quote to paint my house like two years ago. And, uh,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Exposing The Government's Secret Crypto Scam | Rigged From The Start

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manual labor guy like so he does for a living and he's he at first i thought he's just trying to build a poor with me standing in my porch he's like telling me about his family or something okay and then he's like i got a ring camera on my door he's like let's see the ring camera like oh come here come here bro and he walked away from the ring camera walked around in my carport and then he started telling me about all his issues with his wife but he didn't want to tell me in front of the ring camera and five minutes later this guy's crying in my carport i'm like yeah yeah i'm definitely not gonna

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Exposing The Government's Secret Crypto Scam | Rigged From The Start

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Yeah, definitely not go with him.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Exposing The Government's Secret Crypto Scam | Rigged From The Start

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Yeah, For All Mankind. Nice. Memories. Way to go.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Exposing The Government's Secret Crypto Scam | Rigged From The Start

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what would you say to maybe uh let's just say more blue-collar unsophisticated person that has no idea or clue about crypto uh what would you suggest to them to help set themselves up for the next 20 30 years like what should they should be should be doing as as it concerns to financial crypto and stuff that's a that's a great question um

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

DISNEY TIMESHARE SCAM EXPOSED! Fraud, FBI & Fleeing

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Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. My dad told me that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

DISNEY TIMESHARE SCAM EXPOSED! Fraud, FBI & Fleeing

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You know, sorry, you know.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

DISNEY TIMESHARE SCAM EXPOSED! Fraud, FBI & Fleeing

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Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

DISNEY TIMESHARE SCAM EXPOSED! Fraud, FBI & Fleeing

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Yeah, this is the tricky thing, right? And nobody's going to that website.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

DISNEY TIMESHARE SCAM EXPOSED! Fraud, FBI & Fleeing

2463.836

That's you.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

DISNEY TIMESHARE SCAM EXPOSED! Fraud, FBI & Fleeing

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Oh, nice.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

DISNEY TIMESHARE SCAM EXPOSED! Fraud, FBI & Fleeing

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Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

DISNEY TIMESHARE SCAM EXPOSED! Fraud, FBI & Fleeing

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Oh, I didn't know that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

DISNEY TIMESHARE SCAM EXPOSED! Fraud, FBI & Fleeing

383.3

Absolutely, yeah, yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

DISNEY TIMESHARE SCAM EXPOSED! Fraud, FBI & Fleeing

4100.762

It starts to trickle out. Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

DISNEY TIMESHARE SCAM EXPOSED! Fraud, FBI & Fleeing

4140.227

Oh, for sure.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

DISNEY TIMESHARE SCAM EXPOSED! Fraud, FBI & Fleeing

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Yeah, yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

DISNEY TIMESHARE SCAM EXPOSED! Fraud, FBI & Fleeing

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Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

DISNEY TIMESHARE SCAM EXPOSED! Fraud, FBI & Fleeing

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That's it. Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

DISNEY TIMESHARE SCAM EXPOSED! Fraud, FBI & Fleeing

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Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

DISNEY TIMESHARE SCAM EXPOSED! Fraud, FBI & Fleeing

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We hear that sometimes.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

DISNEY TIMESHARE SCAM EXPOSED! Fraud, FBI & Fleeing

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You know what I mean? But...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

DISNEY TIMESHARE SCAM EXPOSED! Fraud, FBI & Fleeing

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Like, what?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

DISNEY TIMESHARE SCAM EXPOSED! Fraud, FBI & Fleeing

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Oh yeah. Yeah. I'm sure.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

DISNEY TIMESHARE SCAM EXPOSED! Fraud, FBI & Fleeing

8469.789

Looks good for the cameras. Right. Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

DISNEY TIMESHARE SCAM EXPOSED! Fraud, FBI & Fleeing

8540.25

Or some drug. Wellbutrin or Prozac or all kinds of, yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

DISNEY TIMESHARE SCAM EXPOSED! Fraud, FBI & Fleeing

8548.892

I know what you're talking about. Everyone likes it. Yeah, people want to get it. Yeah, they go to sleep or sleep right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

DISNEY TIMESHARE SCAM EXPOSED! Fraud, FBI & Fleeing

8675.246

God, halfway house is another disaster.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

DISNEY TIMESHARE SCAM EXPOSED! Fraud, FBI & Fleeing

8692.138

Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

DISNEY TIMESHARE SCAM EXPOSED! Fraud, FBI & Fleeing

8693.56

At least try.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

DISNEY TIMESHARE SCAM EXPOSED! Fraud, FBI & Fleeing

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I'm like, yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

DISNEY TIMESHARE SCAM EXPOSED! Fraud, FBI & Fleeing

8815.037

Oh, easy.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

DISNEY TIMESHARE SCAM EXPOSED! Fraud, FBI & Fleeing

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Okay. Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So he doesn't want that out there. That always kills me, the guys that dodge child support. It's like, okay, well, if you know that's not your kid, then take the test. Like, what's the problem? The only reason for you to dodge, you know, I mean, I have experience. I have a buddy who they're constantly looking for. The only reason is because, you know, there's a chance.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

JAY-Z IS COOKED! | Whistleblower LEAKS NEW DETAILS on Hollywood's ACTIVE COVER-UP

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You know, if you're 100% positive, like, I've never had sex with that chick. I don't know who that chick is. They'll take the test. No problem.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

JAY-Z IS COOKED! | Whistleblower LEAKS NEW DETAILS on Hollywood's ACTIVE COVER-UP

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A lot of people mysteriously dying in this kind of murky world of hip-hop. It's a dark, dark world. There's a lot of You know, it's so funny because like the conspiracies, I hate, I don't even want to say conspiracies anymore. I don't know how else to say it, but it's not even like it's conspiracies because like every time I say that, oh yeah, it's just a conspiracy.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

JAY-Z IS COOKED! | Whistleblower LEAKS NEW DETAILS on Hollywood's ACTIVE COVER-UP

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That doesn't, that's conspiracy theory. That doesn't mean anything. Six months later, two years later, you find out, oh, actually, no, no, that's true. Really? You know? like all this stuff that's coming out about Jay-Z and all that stuff that is happening with you, and that's all pretty recent. You get out of prison. You start kind of publicizing this, right?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

JAY-Z IS COOKED! | Whistleblower LEAKS NEW DETAILS on Hollywood's ACTIVE COVER-UP

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You start going on the podcast and stuff, and you're pretty vocal about it. What happened? I mean, you know.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

JAY-Z IS COOKED! | Whistleblower LEAKS NEW DETAILS on Hollywood's ACTIVE COVER-UP

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Or you... March, April, May, June. Three months. And you did some videos, and you started talking about this, right? So you start talking about it. You go on a bunch of podcasts. It gets a bunch of views. I mean, you know, obviously...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

JAY-Z IS COOKED! | Whistleblower LEAKS NEW DETAILS on Hollywood's ACTIVE COVER-UP

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obviously jay-z's not happy about it right you know what's funny is like if you didn't get any traction he would shrug it off or maybe if there's no truth to it right then he would just shrug it off like there's no truth to that and that's just somebody just running his mouth and i don't mean nothing the concern is it gets traction people start looking into it and they find out it's true Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

JAY-Z IS COOKED! | Whistleblower LEAKS NEW DETAILS on Hollywood's ACTIVE COVER-UP

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So that's a real concern, because if somebody lying about you and saying something and you're a celebrity, you just chalk it up to that's just that's just par for the course. That's just what comes along with it. But you start getting traction on it. At one point, you're you're you're obviously becoming a problem. At one point. Jay-Z, I mean, at least according to the FBI. Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

JAY-Z IS COOKED! | Whistleblower LEAKS NEW DETAILS on Hollywood's ACTIVE COVER-UP

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And you sent me the I want to say it was an FBI 302, but. Anyway, it was basically a document from the FBI where the FBI says that someone who had been, I want to say, a confidential informant for them, let them know that somebody associated with Jay-Z had said that Jay-Z had put a hit out on you, which in and of itself... really doesn't mean anything, right?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

JAY-Z IS COOKED! | Whistleblower LEAKS NEW DETAILS on Hollywood's ACTIVE COVER-UP

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Like it could just be some guy talking. Not that I think that the FBI would take that person seriously unless they were like a trusted CI. But the fact is you end up getting shot. Like what happened? Like they're trying to shut you down. The FBI is notified that

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

JAY-Z IS COOKED! | Whistleblower LEAKS NEW DETAILS on Hollywood's ACTIVE COVER-UP

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that there's a potential hit, because I think if the FBI had known that beforehand and taken it super serious, then they probably would have tried to reach out to you, right? Like, they know where you are. You're on probation. You just got out of prison.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

JAY-Z IS COOKED! | Whistleblower LEAKS NEW DETAILS on Hollywood's ACTIVE COVER-UP

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So I think they probably didn't take it super serious, or maybe they were looking into it, or maybe they got that document at the same time or just afterwards. I don't forget when it was, whether it was just before or just after, when they were told. I think the document was dated after, so... Anyway, you end up getting shot. I mean, what happened with that?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

JAY-Z IS COOKED! | Whistleblower LEAKS NEW DETAILS on Hollywood's ACTIVE COVER-UP

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Was that arranged or just a coincidence?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Even before the lawsuit. Yes. Not before the incident, but before the lawsuit was even filed.

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you'd have the opportunity to continue to spread this message. So this, I do have a question. You're when you got shot, like, did you see the guy? Was it at a distance? Right. Okay. So, all right. So scratch that. So anyway, no, you ain't got to scratch it. No, no, I I'm saying, so let's, all right. So we're not going to get anywhere there.

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Did anybody reach out to you and say, Hey, you need to tone it down. You need to step back. Anything like that?

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He actually, what he said was, I saw your interview with Ronnie Bowe. Jay-Z sent me a cease and desist, so I probably can't have him on. I know he was reaching out to us on email. Great interview, though. And I responded, why did you receive a cease and desist? It didn't make sense. Why would he receive a cease and desist if he hadn't interviewed you yet? You see what I'm saying?

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Why would anybody? And then I didn't know by who. He said by Jay-Z, but Jay-Z's not probably sending out anything. It's his lawyer. So then he sends me a copy of the cease and desist. And in the cease and desist, it's not a cease and desist from from Jay-Z's attorney to him. It's a copy of a cease and desist that was sent to your attorney. I'm sorry, to your probation officer.

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And so and it's just, you know, cease and desist regarding conspiracy orchestrated by, you know, Ronnie and you mind if I say your last name?

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Ronnie Martin, you know, and it's written to your your probation officer and then it goes on to. basically say that you're alleging a complete conspiracy and the whole thing. So I told Sean Kelly, I said, this is the Ronnie's PO, not you. And he goes, I got it emailed to me. And I put, understood, sounds like they're trying to shut poor Ronnie down. And he goes, you didn't get one?

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And then I never even responded to that.

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So you're having in-depth conversations with R. Kelly about this ring that exists or rings that exist. And like at that time, at that time, Diddy hadn't, he hadn't even been arrested yet, right? Nothing had happened.

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R. Kelly, how does he enter into this whole situation?

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This was 2019 when I was first. Rumors. This is just back when they're still just rumors. So what are some of those conversations? I mean, you don't have to get super in-depth into them, but you just touch on them.

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That happens, and now, obviously, like you just said, Jay-Z's trying to figure out how to shut you down, how to keep you quiet. I'm sure he was thinking, one, assuming he's involved, like you're saying, assuming he's involved, one, he's going to take you out completely, and you're just not an issue anymore.

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But since it didn't happen, they were probably still thinking, hey, at least now he knows this is an issue. He's going to stop talking. But that's not what happened. Instead, you went on my platform. That video got, whatever, 750,000 views. You went on Sean Atwood. You went on, did you go on Jaguar right after that also? You went on a bunch of them.

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Right. So you didn't stop talking. You know what I'm saying? The goal was, of course, to get you to stop. Instead, what he does is he has his attorney write up a letter, an email, a cease and desist order, and he sends it to your probation officer. And I've been through this. I got a cease and desist order sent to my probation officer. And I was brought down. I've got, I got a phone call.

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Hey, where are you? I need you to be here at my office tomorrow at nine o'clock. Like, you know, they don't give her, they don't care if you got a job, but they don't get it. I was like, I, uh, okay. So meet me at, I was very, she was very stern. Like you be at my office. I was like, okay. Luckily I knew what it was about. It was a guy I'd written a book on.

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He was trying to get the book taken down. He was trying to get me thrown in jail, thrown back in prison. I go down there. She tells me what happened. This is what happened. I got a letter. This guy says that you're giving a hard time. It alleged a whole bunch of stuff, you know. And it was basically telling me to stop talking about this guy. Luckily, in his letter, the guy's a pathological liar.

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He said a bunch of stuff that was untrue, like he had met me one time in prison, he never worked with me on a book, he never this. Luckily, I was able to pull a bunch of documents out and say, oh, he said he never worked with me? She's like, no. I was able to show court links or e-mails from him where he typed up stories and directly to them to me.

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And they given me the stories and printed out version with his name and regulation number and everything. So she was like, she's looking at these. I'm able to show her that. Then I said, he said he didn't, we didn't have an agreement or anything. She's like, yeah, I go boom. I show her a contract. So I got a contract with this guy, signed contract.

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And I said, did he say that he says we don't have a contract and he didn't sign it? I flipped the page and I have a photocopy of my ID and his ID side by side on the same page.

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picture or on the same paper so obviously i laid them down on the on the copy machine made a copy at the same time so we were clearly in the same room yeah and this is clearly his signature so i show her all that and she she nodded she was like okay she said well it's good that you have all this right like she's like okay okay because i can tell you right now if i didn't have those documents there was a good chance i might have had my probation violated

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So I know how serious it is when someone is sending stuff to your probation officer because your probation officer doesn't want any problems. It's one piece of paper for them to fill out to get you thrown back in jail, and then it takes you six months to a year to unravel that whole situation to get yourself back out. You are less paperwork in prison to them than you are out of prison.

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So that email was definitely directed to try and get you thrown back in prison.

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it doesn't sound like you're saying anything derogatory about him. You're not, you know, like, and there's, there's plenty out there to say this derogatory. You're not addressing that at all. You're like, that's just, he's already locked up for that. That's whatever, whatever it is. Right. Like, and you're, you're saying that he's perfectly fine and that he's safe. And so, but see our Kelly, uh,

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And these people are what? You think like the executives, like the people that run the entertainment industry or music industry?

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You think that... R. Kelly, and Diddy for that matter, and this one, because they're both in custody, do you think they're concerned about getting, what do they call it, being Epstein-ed? You keep saying that he's concerned or he's worried, like you think he's worried for his life that something like that could happen?

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Well, you know, he got convicted. He's going to prison. And then suddenly, you know, people are worried about him talking, cooperating. They're worried about him, you know, publicizing a list that, you know, and next thing you know, offs himself, you know, supposedly offs himself, right? Like, you know, all the conspiracies between whether or not that's true or not. But it was convenient for,

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that by the time he finally gets to a position where he's really his only choice to get out of prison or to mitigate the sentence is by starting to cooperate and throw, because you can fight, do your appeals and everything else, but he's done. So people are concerned he's going to cooperate, and next thing you know, boom, he suddenly ends up unalived in his cell.

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Though, you know, it's like when you say he's worried or he's scared, like, you know, I'm wondering to what degree are you scared? Are you scared that you're going to be sued? Are you scared that they're, you know, you see what I'm saying? Like there's different degrees of being scared.

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Do you think his fear is, no, no, no, his fear is the guards show up the next morning and he don't come out of his cell for count. Yeah.

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Is that because of the inmates or because of the system in general? You think that these people have enough power that they could just send somebody in there to did. It's common. Because he's in general population right now. He hasn't had any problems. A lot of guys like that aren't going to have problems, right? They could pay for protection.

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That's how they do protection. You're like, hey, somebody's going to send you $400 a month, and then you do that with three guys. If it's the right three guys, nobody bothers you. I'm not saying he can't really move himself, but you pick the three guys

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biggest guys or most dangerous guys or most respected guys sometimes it's not the biggest guy it's just the most respected guy you pay 400 bucks on this guy this guy this guy and then you put a little bit of money on a couple other guys that are buying you 75 of the money is going towards my commissary and you guys keep 25 like that's that's kind of sometimes that's typical and it is a 50 50s you're you're you're gouging me you know i'm saying but so typically about 25 30 and something like that so that's

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you know, and he can live like he, so he should be, I'm saying protected, you know, like, like not feel like he shouldn't feel in fair of the inmates who he's probably feels in fear.

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These guys can't be with you all the time. Is he at a medium? Or is he at 10? He's an FCI buttoner. What, is that a low?

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Okay. Yeah. Nevermind. I was going to say, if you did a low, he's probably not much danger at all, but at medium, there's dangerous people in the mediums. They're guys that, yeah, they're serious people. What's going on with, with Jaguar, uh, right.

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Like, I mean, there's like a conspiracy out there now that people are saying like you and she are what conspiring that you, you had said there's some thing out there that is circling about a conspiracy. Yeah.

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You were both talking about this. She's been talking about this forever. You've been talking about this on your own before you even connected with her.

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But you did end up writing a book. I mean, I understand it wasn't specifically about R. Kelly, but you wrote a book about kind of the industry. What does the book kind of cover specifically?

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I don't understand why he would give anything out for free. Well, I felt like with me being a newcomer. Two bucks, five bucks, something. You know what I'm saying? Something.

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Absolutely. Did you see the Mark Zuckerberg kind of the new the new improved Mark Zuckerberg where he did a little video saying, well, we're going to be making some changes and we're not going to be basically censoring the content anymore. Right there. They're getting rid of their their fact checkers.

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because he realizes that they have an agenda or some of them have agendas and that he's going to do more like community notes and not be taking down stuff. So maybe there's a way for you to get back on Instagram, you know, and Facebook like that might be, I wonder if you can appeal it somehow with, with their new policy. Yeah. We suspended your account.

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So hopefully Facebook's much easier to deal with and more friendly. and maybe you can get your account back up.

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It would be harrowing in a comic book. Shut up, man. Hey, you guys, I appreciate you watching. Do me a favor, hit the subscribe button, hit the bell so you get notified of videos just like this and share the video. That really does help us. It helps us spread the message. Also, we're going to leave all of Ronnie's links in the description box. So go in there.

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You'll be able to just click on the link and shoot over to his website and get the book. And maybe he'll even have an Instagram up by then. Once again, I appreciate you guys watching. Please consider joining our Patreon. It's $10 a month and it really does help us make videos like this. Thank you very much. See ya.

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When you say sacrifice, you're talking about like sacrificing family members. sacrificing their dignity, kind of like the Cat Williams thing. How amazing is that? The Cat Williams interview? He sounded a little bit like a crackpot, and within six months, Boom, boom, people just start getting knocked off. I'm talking about the one with Shannon Sharp. Where he's saying, oh, wait, you wait.

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You wait and see. He's like, oh, yeah, watch. People are about to start in your 2000, what did he say, 2025?

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He sounded like it was sour grapes a little bit, but then within months, bam, bam, just one person after another getting hit with indictments. a murderer, being exposed. Cat Williams a prophet.

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Most people wouldn't say something because they'd be afraid it was career ending, right? Part of Cat Williams' interview was about how because he wasn't willing to do these things, his career hasn't blown up the way it should have because he's fucking hilarious, right? He's one of the funniest comedians out there.

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And yet, why is it he... And he explains very clearly, like, I didn't get this role because I was unwilling to do this. Didn't get this role because I was unwilling to do this. And all these other roles were going to other people, even though I was, you know, I'm selling out arenas. I'm funny. You know, I'm charismatic. I can act. I've been in a bunch.

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I've been in several big films already that were hits. But because I wasn't willing to do the things, I'm not willing to wear a dress. I'm not willing to play a gay guy. I'm not willing to. These should be minor things that any actor will say, well, I don't want to do that. I don't want to do that. There have become actors that will like, well, I won't have a romantic scene with someone.

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I won't make out with another woman. Why? Because I'm a Christian. I'm married to my wife. I'm just not going to make out with someone. And they work around it. So I think he probably felt like he was already on a bad path, so he didn't have anything to lose. But a lot of people wouldn't say that.

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A lot of people that probably have the same information won't say anything because their career is going the way they want it to go.

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Amir's trying to get Jay-Z to take a blood test because they want what? back child support or something along those lines. Or he wants to know that this is my father. That alone, even if he removed child support, you at the very least want to know who's my father. Jay-Z doesn't want to take it because he doesn't want to. If he is the father, then that's 100% proof.

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You guys are freaking disrespectful. You let him a shoot at me. You, you're no fangulo. He's yelling at us like in Italian, this and that. Three days later, there's a sit down. You know, like we all heard about it. Frankie got a pass. I mean, half the shit I have, this is stolen. I was the go-to guy. That was my thing. Hey man, we just got a score.

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It's almost like a mini Tokyo with the people crossing streets in unison and everything.

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Yeah, yeah. So yeah, we came in the 70s. I grew up around a lot of Italians in that area, some Puerto Ricans, the neighbor who was touch and go. We moved to Ridgewood, which is right on the border. And long story short, my life was filled with a lot of trauma. My father was an alcoholic. He beat my mom. He beat me. He was sadistic. He'd burn me with cigarettes time to time out of a joke.

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yeah it's it's it's insane i mean when you live in there it's not insane you get used to it you can get used to anything yeah i worked in the garment district for 15 years you know and i worked in that uh hospitality and cleaning and you know taking care of office buildings and for me i was two blocks away from 42nd street and i remember 42nd street when they called it the 40 deuce when it was pimps and prostitutes and drugs and

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You couldn't walk to the train station at one o'clock in the morning without somebody going, yo, don't move. Like they would just pull out a gun on you, rob you, you know. Before Giuliani. Yeah. And then Giuliani took over and it was just insane. They cleaned it up. You know, they started building more and. I mean, I lived there and I worked there.

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And now when I go back, just time to time, I can't stomach it. I mean, I love that I go back and I reminisce and I drive through the neighborhood. I'll go by the old haunts. I'll see they changed a couple of places. An old Gambino spot is now a vape shop. Right. is like totally bewildering to me. Like I'll just stop and be like, what the fuck? Like it's a vape shop, you know?

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I remember it, you know, wise guys going in. We, you know, have coffee in the front, go play cards in the bag, hit the joke of poker machines.

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It's all gone. Yeah. Like me being here almost eight years, I see it around me. I'm in Clearwater. And it's like, I see, you know, they're extending Route 19. They're building like little things over like that. You could walk over pedestrian cross, you know, crosswalks. And yeah. And it's insane because I'm seeing they're building all these apartments.

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And I'm like, well, who the fuck's coming here? Everybody from Cali. Everybody from New York has come. Mostly upstate New Yorkers. But there's a lot of wise guys coming down this way, too. Like, I ran into a couple of people in the gym. There's a ton of them in, you know, West Palm.

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Well, the East Coast is all ex-gangsters and everything. But they're starting to move in this area now. You know, like, Dom Sicali's out this way. Yeah. I think Marlino's out here this way too.

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So he's on the East Coast?

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That's the only guy that I remember that was doing something with Johnny A. Light. So... Probably him. Probably. He does live in Tampa.

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Yeah, that's the one. Yep, it's him. Yeah, Barella. Good for you, man. But yeah, so like getting back to started boosting cars. After boosting cars, I became entrepreneurial. I just started opening up little tinting businesses in the neighborhood. I had 10 cars in front of my house. I would be tinting during the day. I started doing DJing.

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And I would be making tapes, mixtapes for all these gangsters. Guy in... For instance, Ralphie Shuler, he got whacked. But Ralphie Shuler used to work in a pizzeria and deal a little coke. He took a liking to me. I used to give him mixtapes. He'd like, hey, come take a ride with me. What are you doing? This and that. He actually started getting me into dealing, into dealing coke.

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Sadly, there was a... an instance where he got too big for his britches. At least that's what I heard on the street. I was going around with like $50,000 pinky ring, diamond pinky ring, flashing the jewelry. Didn't want to bring anybody else in the neighborhood on his scores and whatnot, which it's rightfully so. If you pay tax, you don't have to. But everybody's getting greedy.

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Everybody wants the tax. People who aren't made want tax. So he basically, they found him in a trunk, shot three times to the head, tied with telephone cord. At JFK Airport, three days bloated. And they shot him in the head for a reason. And they did that as a message. He couldn't have an open casket funeral. His mom went ballistic.

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The dude that did it, Vito Guzzo, actually in court was like, yeah, so I shot the guy three times. No remorse. The guy was a stone cold fucking killer. I used to see him in the neighborhood. I'd kind of like try to avoid him like the plague. He was one of those guys where one minute he's joking with you. Hey, that's fucking funny, right? This and that. What'd you think was funny? Oh, yeah.

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You know, it's one of those, like, that Joe Pesci thing. Yeah, I was just thinking about it. It's exactly like that, but that face of his, it just would, like, you shit yourself. That guy, Vito Guzzo, survived, I think, two attempts on his life. They filled him up, I think, with 11 bullets at one time, right in front of his house. So this guy survived twice, and now he's doing the 30-year bid.

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He would drink and be like, come over here, open up a jar of pepperoni, hot peppers, stick one in my mouth, and you know what? Just sadistic. I had a pet parakeet. He broke its neck. Sadistic shit. I'm just giving you a gist so you know. What did he do? At the time, he was doing two jobs. He was working at a meat market in this Italian meat market on Nicaragua.

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So... Yeah, so that was my teens.

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Yeah, when they had the Philadelphia Mob Wars. No, yeah, that's just, I mean, I'll give you a story. I've said this story before. We're sitting there playing cards in a little social club. This guy, Frankie Fiordolino, you know, he was up and coming. His brother was a maid guy in the Bananos. And he comes in and he's like, hey, what's up? Sits down with two of his guys. Deal me in.

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They start playing cards. Another guy sitting across from him, heavy Italian accent. He's like, oh, Frankie, we're going to play at the cards, all right? And he's just like, all right, shut the fuck up, Charlie. And this is going on. We're just around the pool table. We're over there by the Joker poker machines. The place is about as big as, you know, that you have right here.

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Like, it's a small little joint, you know. And they're playing cards. And we hear Frankie, like, say, yo, you fucking say that one more fucking time. You know, it's the last word you're going to say. So we didn't really think anything. We thought maybe it was going to be a little push and shove and this and that. And all of a sudden, it's just we turn our heads and we hear...

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And we look, and Frankie just drops the revolver on the table. It's got rubber bands on it. He turns, like, sweaty, cold, runs for the door, takes off. This guy is in the chair going, Minky, he shot at me. You let him shoot at me? We just hightail the fuck out of there. We don't know if this guy is dying or what the fuck. This guy comes, gets up. Grabbing his chest like this.

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Three times to the chest. And he just starts walking to his car. He goes, you guys are freaking disrespectful. You let him shoot at me. Fuck you. You're no fangulo. He's yelling at us like in Italian, this and that. We're just like trying to get in our cars to get the fuck out of Dodge. Guy drives himself to the hospital. Three days later, there's a fucking sit down.

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You know, like we all heard about it. Frankie got a pass. Didn't have to pay retribution, no tax for what he did, nothing. He just, you know, because his brother was, you know, made guy in the fucking bananas. So this is the kind of life you have to understand. I've gone to sit-downs, and since I'm not Italian, but they kind of respect me like I was, but I wasn't Italian.

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And I've gone to sit-downs. When you get in there, you don't know if you're going to walk out of there. That's just how they operate. You don't know if you're going to walk out. I've known guys that were like, hey, I'm going to a sit-down. And then they're gone. Like, for real. Like, you don't ask questions. You just hear through the grapevine. Yeah, they found him in his fucking.

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They're your best fucking friends. They'll kiss your ass all the way to the fucking final end. And you don't know. You don't know. I mean, there's another story with this guy, Frankie. I was running this social club for the Serbian guy. He had some problems. Oh, yeah, he's a fucking trip, you know. And he turned around and he comes to my house. It was like 8 in the morning.

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My mom, I just wake up like Frankie's in my fucking bedroom. I was like, Frankie, what are you doing here? He goes, come on, get dressed. I said, can I ask you what's going on? My mom's now worried. My mom comes in. She's talking to me in Romanian. What's going on? What's going on? I turn it in Serbian because Romanian is a romance language like Italian. Frankie can pick up on it.

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So I was just like in Serbia and I go, I need to go with him somewhere. She's like, are you coming back? You know, but she said in Romanian, are you coming back? And he goes, oh, senora, don't worry. He's coming back. I'm like, that's bullshit.

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I was just like, you know, I was just whatever. I went to open up my closet. And back then, Sergio Tichinis were really popular, like the tracksuits. So he's picking out a tracksuit. He goes, hey, wait a minute. You're going to look good. I'm like, this guy's fucking prepping me for, you know, I don't know for what. So I was like, can I just ask you, what do you want from me?

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He's like, no, you know, I go to grab my gun. He goes, you're not going to need that. Now I'm even more worried. You know, I get in the car. I'm shitting pickles in the car, you know. These other two guys ain't saying shit to me, you know. And I'm just like sitting there in the passenger seat. I'm going, I know this guy got a gun to my fucking back. You know, that's what I'm going through my head.

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And at night he was working in the maintenance, cleaning. That's what all, you know, the immigrants are doing back then. My mom was working in the knitting mills of Ridgewood and Brooklyn. So she'd be working piecework, which is you get paid like 50 cents to a dollar a dozen. The more dozens you crank out on the marrow machine or the Singer machine, the more money you get paid.

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We get to the social club. He goes, open it up. I open it up. He's like, yeah. Take all the videocassettes. I said, what? Now he pulls the gate down from the inside. I'm like, fuck. That's a straight up like mob hit. I'm like, they're trying to muffle the sound, whatever. And I'm like grabbing the videocassettes, putting them in garbage bags. Now a couple of, you know, fall down.

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I'm like trying to bend over, pick them up. They're all hovering over me like this and over here. I'm just like, yo. I go... I got to fucking ask before I fucking move anymore. What the fuck am I here for? Why am I bagging all these video cassettes? He goes, because you need to get rid of these video cassettes. This is going to be my social club from now on.

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You tell your boy in jail, I took the spot over. If he doesn't like it, he come fucking see me when he gets out. I said, I don't give a shit. I just told to open up, let the social club run, let the video store on the side run. I said, I really don't give a rat's ass. This is not my fucking, it's not my business. And I'm just like, you want to give me a hand with this shit?

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He goes, oh, yeah, sure. Now they're helping me. And he goes, hey, what are you so nervous about anyway? You were like fucking sweating there for a minute. He had to know. He knew. He was fucking with me. Yeah, yeah. He was because he goes, what did you think? You were going to get whacked? I said, honestly, fucking yeah. And he goes, hey, he thought he was going to get fucking whacked.

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You know, typical mob scene type shit. It's insane. That's just like one of the stories. I've had like five of those with other people. It's an uneasy feeling, you know. That's why I got the nickname Pedge Two Guns. I'd have two guns on me at all times. You know what I mean? So it'd be like if I can't get this one, I'd get the one on my ankle. I just didn't trust the situations I was in.

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And when you're in that, you know, I mean, you know you've done crime, but... my crime I'm filling out paperwork bro yeah yeah you're filling out paperwork but mortgage brokers don't shoot each other yeah but see like with these people I just got so fucking deep in that life You know, you see that shooting in front of you.

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It's like a fucking watching a TV show, like watching Breaking Bad and the guy shoots the guy. You know, my son has asked me growing up, he goes, dad, what is it like when you see somebody? Nothing. It's cold. It's like, it doesn't, I go, I could walk over a dead body. It could be my friend. It could be my friend for real. It could be my friend. He just got shot.

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They show me a diamond ring and I'm like, oh, that's a nice rock. We can cut this into like five rocks. So I go to my guy and my guy goes... Dude, I'll give you 20 grand for it right now. I call him up and be like, yo, my bad. He's only going to give you 15. I shouldn't be saying this now because guys are going to be looking back and be like, what a cunt bag, you know?

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And if it's me or him and I have to fucking hightail out of it because the cops are on their way, I'd be like, yo, nice knowing you. Boom, I'm out.

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So back then my mom was making, you know, about $125, $150 a week, which that's good money back then. And my dad, between his both jaws, about two, two and change. My parents got divorced when I was seven. That was traumatic for me because my dad didn't leave us alone after that. It was just he'd come around the house drunk, threatening my mom. He'd pick up a rock from the street like a brick.

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20?

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1920? I think I just turned 20. And you're supposed to do army time if you're born in that country. So I was supposed to at 18, or I think 19, I was supposed to do like 18 months. But since I'm and I live in America, they'll give you like, do six to eight months.

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I'm a naturalized U.S. citizen. Okay. Because my mom got her citizenship and they just gave it to me because I was a little kid. Legally, I'm still a Serbian citizen, but since Yugoslavia broke up, my dad's from Bosnia, so now I'm also a Bosnian citizen. and a Serbian citizen. So I got my birth certificate in Serbia, but I also have the citizenship in Bosnia.

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So either which way, you got to go to the army. So Serbia at that time was, you know, they were putting in troops. They were like, they call them paramilitary. You just didn't have the Yugoslavian Serbia patch. You just had whatever patch was in that area. So I had to do the army. So I went. I didn't tell anybody. I just went and did it because they told me like,

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If you don't do it, you can't come back to this country for 15 years. They block you from entering again. So I was just like, I don't really speak the language great. And they were just like, you speak English, you speak Romanian. We'll put you somewhere in Vojvodina, which is kind of half Romanian, half Hungarian, half Serbian. I was like, all right, which is bullshit.

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They put me right on the front line.

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know like they sent me into bosnia it was just it was i was you know and uh being there uh there's a stench of dead people that you do not uh you don't forget when you smell dead people burning flesh rotting flesh it's a distinctive smell it's kind of like a roadkill smell but more pungent so to this day if i'm passing it as an armadillo or some in the you know our possum dead in the street

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and I smell it, it wafts in my car, it brings me right back to that. Like, it's just, you know, you become like a project of your environment. So being there, you learn to survive. You know, I didn't have to shoot anybody. I was just there in case maybe like NATO would come in, you know, the UN, and it was S4 at the time.

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So if they came in and somebody spoke English, they're like, well, this guy speaks English. Because nobody really, like today, everybody speaks English in Serbia. It's a second language. It's bang, bang, bang.

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He'd smack her in the face. He'd grab me and say, I want to talk to my son. I'd come out in my pajamas, put me in the car, take me about two miles away to a park and interrogate me. You know, who's mom, you know, banging, what's going on? Who's this guy coming around the house? Seven? Seven years old. No shit. Seven years old. And then he'd leave me in the fucking park. No shit.

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This is 89. It started in Croatia. It was five republics. It was Croatia, Slovenia, Bosnia, Serbia, Montenegro. I think it's six and Macedonia. That broke up into republics. It was then Serbia and Montenegro. That was the Union of Yugoslavia. Macedonia took off. There was the war going on in Croatia. Then the war started to pick up in 91, 92 in Bosnia. Bosnia ended up becoming two entities.

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Croatia just expelled all the Serbs. I mean, I don't want to get into a whole subject. It's a whole history. It just sucks. Predominantly, they were not teaching English. No, they were not. They were teaching Russian, German, French. English was not even. The real smart people were taking up Chinese because you can go into China and you can make money so quick with trading and whatnot.

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But for me, I found my niche there. I was doing translation. But still, they would put me in areas... Where you'd hear fighting, you'd see fighting, they'd give me an AK. I was dressed up for the army, but I was like an interpreter, supposedly. Like, this guy speaks English. Everybody else spoke English. All the German people spoke English as a second language.

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Everybody spoke English as a second language. So they put me there to do that. I finished my stint, came back to the United States.

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No, seven and a half months. Oh, okay. In total, seven and a half months, which was like... Yeah, I thought you typically don't... They're supposed to give you two. The conscription is two years? Yeah, two years... They're supposed to give you two years, but because me being from America, I kind of like also purposely spoke broken Serbian. I was just like really broken. My grammatics were off.

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I was talking like a second grader, and they were just like, oh, this guy sucks. He can't speak for shit. They would tell me something, and I'd be like, what? I don't understand. I fucking knew him. You know, I was just, that was a good con artist, you know? So whatever, you know, you learn in your environment, whatever you could do.

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So, I mean, there was times where, uh, the Muslim troops are coming in and, you know, whatever, and you have to shoot. I mean, you're just shooting to survive, but it's not like I sat there and I just like, you know, did what I had to do. But, um, Yeah, I mean, that was an eye-opener because I got to see a lot of shit. Coming back, that kind of hardened me.

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So coming back to the streets in the 90s, the 90s were the shit. It was just everybody that I grew up with was up and coming. Everybody was making their bones. One of my friends got like three bodies already. You know, and it's just like, you know, we're sitting there talking like me and you. And he's like, yeah, you know, there's a rule that they don't talk about it.

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But some guys are so fucking brazen, they want it to go from person to person. They want the upper, you know, the upper guys to hear and that they can get, you know, indoctrinated in, you know. And this one guy was telling me, yeah, you know, you know, I shot this guy's ear off and then I fucking stabbed him in the fucking eye. And I'm all like, like, OK, you know. I heard someone's feelings once.

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Yeah. I mean, it is what it is. I mean, I've gotten after that. I've gotten involved in a few stabbings, you know, and then I was notoriously known for shooting people in the ass. If, you know, anybody from back in the day remembers me, you know, fuck you. I don't care. Like, honestly, like there's a lot of people that are angry.

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It's just, well, okay, I'll tell you what, because I thought it funny. I used to be drunk all the time, half cocked all the fucking time. So, you know, I'd be sitting in a Serbian establishment. I don't know, some guy would pop off and say some stupid shit, you know, and I'd just be like drunk. So now you got, you know, your bravado is more. Like, your inhibitions are out the fucking door.

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And I'd walk those two miles barefoot. I just had a good sense of direction where I lived. My mom, yeah, she took him to court a few times. The judge was finally fed up with his, you know, antics and was basically like, get a toothbrush, you're going to jail. That's it, you know?

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And I'm like, yo, you know who I am. Like, you know... I could cause some fucking real harm to you. Yeah, what the fuck are you going to do, this and that? You're an Italian fucking, you're with the Italians, go kiss their balls or whatever. And I'd be like, really? And I'd just pull out my gun, bang, shot the guy right in the fucking hip, right here.

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The guy fucking goes down, I'm like, yo, boom, shot him in the other butt cheek. And I was like, yo, fuck you, now you're going to remember me whenever the fuck you sit down. That's what I was known for. So, yeah. You don't want to kill him. No, I never. I never shot anybody in the chest.

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I mean, you know, there was shootouts that we had where guys came to our social club and they just opened, sprayed with a fucking Uzi on us. We came out. Everybody's shooting and shit. There was one situation with my friend E. I'm not going to say his full name because he's living a legit life now. I don't think he wants anybody to know, but... These guys from Howard Beach came to fuck him up.

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And they come out. They parked their Coupe de Ville right on the corner. They just jumped out. And they come out with, like, bats and whatever. And they're swinging at my boy. And my boy's just holding the fucking 38 like this. But he can't do it. He can't shoot. He's just like, like, you know. We're like, shoot the motherfucker. Shoot the motherfucker. They're beating up on one fucking guy.

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And two guys. I pull out one. This guy pulls. And we just, like, we just start shooting this and that. Then he gets the balls. He's like, pop, pop. This guy jumps across the driver's seat, like the way he jumped from the passenger to the driver, jumps, just puts the car in gear, puts his hand on the fucking gas. The other guy's sitting in the back seat.

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He was all fucked up, and they just drive away, sideswiping like six, seven cars on the plate, finally gets up and takes off. That was just like a regular day, you know, like regular day in the life in the hood back in the day. I mean, I could talk about it. I could laugh about it now, but back then I wasn't, I wasn't laughing. I was just living. I was surviving, you know?

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I was, um, I was working in the maintenance field in the city where I told you before in the garment district, I was working there. That was a night job. It was perfect for me because I'd go in punching at 5. I'd leave at 11. I'd get to go to the social clubs and hang out until 4 or 5 in the morning. And that's where you hobnob with everybody. That's where you meet everybody. You're playing cards.

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And he begged my mom in the court on his, I'll never forget it, on his hands and knees, please, I promise I never do this again, please, you know, with his accent. And my mom let it be. And then she met this other guy, which was a bad role model for me, but this is where I became a gangster. His name was- Worse than your dad? Yeah. Yeah, not in a sadistic way.

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There's an Italian game called Scuba. Scuba. It's in a Sicilian game. So you play that. I learned how to play that. Then we used to play Blood, which is kind of like a rummy like you play in jail. It's the same shit. And we would sit there and play, and you'd wait for somebody to come in. You know...

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Just for that one moment to rub elbows with a maid guy, to rub elbows with somebody who's got a heist coming up or something, they need an extra person or whatever it is. Or if somebody comes in and says, hey, you know, my security company works here and here. There's a jewelry store. You get the gist now. For me, it was a perfect opportunity to rub elbows at everybody.

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So my legitimate thing was I was working in maintenance, and I kept that. It was good benefits. It was a union job. It was phenomenal. But there was times where I couldn't make bail. I got caught for something. It was a week, two weeks at the most that I was ever in. Those two weeks were not fun. Rikers Island. Yeah, I'm pretty sure you heard stories about it. You know, it's it was fucking insane.

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And, you know, it was run by the blacks and the Hispanics. And you had the Latin kings and then yet doesn't order. And you go in there thinking on the street Italian or something. You know, I go in there acting like I'm a cuisine. I'm like, hey, how you doing? That doesn't fly when you get in the jail. I get in the jail. It's all like you can figure they'll ask you where you from. What's your hood?

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And you say Bushwick or you say, you know, Ridgewood, you know, you say, oh, yeah, you know, this guy. And that's what saves you. You'd be like, oh, I know Benji. I know Casper. I know this one. They'd be like, oh, yeah. They'd get right on the phone. You know? And they'd be like, yo, he's on the up and up. Then they come give you like a little package. You know what I'm saying?

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When you go to prison, the guys will come. Exactly. You know, then they'd be talking and finding out who you really are. Like, what are you, you know, like, what's your name in the street? And these guys would come back. Oh, he's good. Take care of him.

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You know, then they came and asked me because I was there for two weeks, like I said, and like the fourth day they came and they asked me, they're like, you want to run with us? So I thought they were going to, like, right away brand me or something. Like, I didn't know what to expect, you know. And they were just like, no, you just run with us. But if we tell you to jump, you jump. You don't ask.

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You just go ha-ha, you know. I was like, all right, I'll do it. So I was with the Nietas. And they were always at war with Latin kings. So I was kind of nervous because, to me, it all looks the same. The language is all the same, but it's not, you know. Each clique is different and whatever. So what were you in there for two weeks for?

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um gun possession stolen car and uh i don't know whatever else they found some coke in the car or something like that so they you know they just drum up charges uh so the car wasn't stolen yeah it was but it's not a drummed up charge but it wasn't hot wired i had keys you know so it's just like it's different it's stiff well it wasn't my eyes you know and i kept i and i actually beat the uh the the grand larceny auto because i was like it was my friend's car

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you know, what's your friend's name? And I'm like, Joe Blow. And they're like, you know, because I knew to look for the registration. And I would lie and say the owner of that car was drunk, told me to take the car, like, you know, drive him home, take the car, and then use it for whatever I need, and then come back and leave it by his house or whatever.

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And, you know, that worked once, that worked twice, you know, wrong place, wrong time or whatever scenario. But the one time that I got a judge and she was ruthless, she was just, she didn't want to hear it. She's like, so I look at your docket and I see that you got one GLA, two GLAs. Now you're going to come with a third and it's the same fucking story, same song and dance?

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He kind of was sadistic, but he was more just a bad role model. He had a business that he was kind of running, but he was a gangster, like a part-time gangster. He would take me in the car. He would take me to Joe and Mary's restaurant where Carmine Galante got executed. Well, when Carmine Galante was alive, he would take me there, leave me in the car,

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She goes, no, you're guilty. I got lucky. My lawyer got me five years probation on that. But dude, five years probation. You got to be super careful. You get jammed up on something. They're going to just throw both charges at you or whatever future charge you got. So I started to, at that time, again, go back to Bosnia. I mean, why? Why?

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personal reasons, let's just say shit happened in the streets and feds were coming around, regular police were coming around asking questions, knocking on doors. You didn't want to be there. I didn't want to be there. I just didn't want to answer questions. It was, you know, one of those times where I didn't want to divulge any information because it would have put somebody away.

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And I just figured if I'm not around, he could, you know, they'll find somebody else eventually, you know, to turn on him. I just, I don't believe in ratting.

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Yeah, I mean, it's... Of course, they were looking for me. Yeah. So, yeah. I mean, there was one murder in 90... I'm going to say 94. Could be 93. There was a murder. This guy, Thomas Shine, he was a... Serbian gypsy. He was from Vancouver, not Vancouver, I'm sorry, from Montreal. And he comes from a very well-known family. Drug dealers, they dabble in everything.

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Drugs, fake currency, those, what do you call those? Barabans, you know, whatever. And he was doing cars. He was doing cars with this other guy that I was in his crew, but I walked away from that guy because the guy was a piece of shit. He stole all my contacts.

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Every time I had a scam going, he got in on my fucking scam, stole my whole fucking scam, got everybody that was working with me to go against me. Long story short, fucking piece of shit. So he was working with that guy, and he would come to me in his Serbian social club, and he'd be like, Hey, this guy's asking this much for cars. Can you get cheaper? I said, first, you made a deal with this guy.

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You stick with fucking him. I don't want to be a part of this shit. I said, second, he's my fucking arch nemesis. I don't want to deal with him. If I see him, it's high and goodbye. I go, he's a scumbag. I got nothing nice to say about him. So Frankie, again, was in this click.

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And I just remember one day Frankie pulling up with this guy and Frankie just saying the words, I'm going to fucking cut your fucking head off. And I just looked and I warned Toma. I said, now that the Italians are involved, I don't know how we would operate and how we would make somebody disappear. I said, this guy just gave you green light.

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I don't know what you did to fucking aggravate him or piss him the fuck off, but you need to square this shit off. Don't come around here because it could happen here right in front of us. Two days later, you know, I come home, whatever. And I see there's police down the block from my house, you know. And I lived off of Main Avenue, like up the block off of Main Avenue.

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And down there was like all warehouses, you know, a block down. So I see the cops like yellow tape the area off. I'm not thinking anything of it. Next day, my bell's ringing. Eight in the morning, bang, bang, bang, you know, banging on the door. I come out, I'm like, yeah, there's a fed, there's cops, and just like, you so-and-so? I'm like, yeah, I'm Frederick Reykjavik, yeah.

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He's like, where were you last night? I was like, at the social club, this and that. You know a guy named Thomas Schein? Yeah, here and there. They have black and white surveillance. They just whip it out and they show, well, you're hugging this guy and kissing him on the cheek. I go, I said I know him. He goes, no, you're making like you didn't know him. I'm like, no, I fucking know him.

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So were you with him last night? I was just like, no, two days ago. They pull out black and white photos out in front of that fucking Serbian bar. And I'm just like, okay, so what's the deal? He goes, you don't know that he's down the block? I said, what do you mean he's down the block? They're pointing down the block, not his ambulances, the coroners there. You're putting it together now.

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and say, don't worry, nobody's going to, and I see like Puerto Rican people walk by, you know, some black people would walk by. They'd look at the car, but they knew not to, you know, like back then the Italians had that clout, you know. They thought he was Italian because he looked Italian, you know. So that kind of like is what I started to emulate.

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I just put it together and I just like, I lawyered up. I was just like, I ain't got nothing to say. They're like, you got nothing to say? And they try to press you even after you say you got nothing to say. And I just was like, no, I got nothing to fucking say. They just asked one other question was, Where's Frankie Fertolino? I don't fucking know. I really don't. I go, I see him here and there.

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I don't know. I go, I'm not answering no more questions. Frankie ended up, it was him. He did it.

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You know, but it was a drug deal gone bad, supposedly. I don't know. He shot him in the fucking, in the neck. We didn't know until like a year after the details that come out. Frankie disappeared. But he leaves him down the street from your house? No. The body was found down the block from my house. Yeah. They shot him in an Italian social club. They decapitated him.

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They put his head in the trunk, body in the back, drove the car, and left it by the warehouses. They were trying to set the car on fire. But... That little area is all, like, it's just, it's like the lights are out. There's no street lights. It's really dark. So they were going to set the car on fire, and they left. It's called traffic ave.

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Traffic ave is where all the, if you steal a car and you want to do an insurance job, that's where you do it. You know what I'm saying? Down the track.

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Yeah, there's no surveillance, no cops. And it's not going to burn the whole neighborhood down. Exactly. So... That was that. And later on in the 2000s, Frankie gets picked up for this. And basically, Frankie shot the guy. Another guy cut his head off. Guy was angry as fuck because the guy wasn't going down. The guy was like six fucking six, man, you know.

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And Frankie's a little guy, so Frankie had a...

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shoot like this so instead of him shooting him in the head got him in the fucking neck this guy went down but he was grabbing his fucking neck and the other guy shall remain lameless because he was a rat for the feds he was wearing a wire but that night he wasn't wearing a wire cut the guy's fucking head off and that's a no-no yeah frankie frankly actually got he got caught cleaning up the mess so when the cops came in because the place was under surveillance they're like what are you doing and he's mopping up the blood he goes i was told to come in here and clean up

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They questioned him, released him, he disappears. He goes MIA for like a year and change. And... I mean, I keep going around like Frankie stories.

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That's what I was thinking. You know, the guy that was working with Frankie, I think that guy did that. And, you know, I was kind of known in the street for the gun thing, shooting people in the ass and whatnot. And I guess they saw that I was with him. They probably thought I was trying to muscle in on some scam or whatever it is. And I did what I did. But, you know, I told them I'm lawyering up.

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He'd come in the house, he'd leave guns in the house. I got caught at 10 years old taking a gun to school.

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I'm not going to say a fucking other word. Of course, they came back again and they, you know, they asked me, they were like, what's your lawyer's name? So then I had to get him my fucking lawyer. And then we went into the precinct and we talked and the Fed guy was there. Now, the Fed guy was there because there was a stack like this, like a file.

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And it was on that other guy and Frankie and the Bananos. So they were just trying to tie up loose ends and get whatever. Everybody in that little clique, the guy who was a scumbag, Him, his girl, four guys in his crew, Frankie, everybody just fucking hightailed it. They were like MIA for like six to eight months. Frankie was gone. Frankie said he went back to Sicily or something like that.

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not shitting you and i had such a cool security guard no this security guard mr andrews you know god rest his soul but he heard that i had a gun in my bag he asked to see my bag i gave it to him he opened it up so the gun wasn't loaded he goes i'm gonna hold his bag till after school and i need you know your mom and dad to come and i was just like you can't do that and i told him the story what it was i go it's my mom's boyfriend's gun and i just want to show off

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But you went to... Well, after a few months, I took off, went to Bosnia. Okay. I mean, it was just, I figured, you know, I got connections over there. Because when I was in my teens, I met a famous Serbian gangster who... who was at one time head of the Irish mob, the Westies, Bosco Radonjic. So I got introduced to him in my early teens. And he took a liking to me.

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And I would see him in the Serbian social clubs. He was connected to John Gotti and the Gambinos. So I started doing some things, and I'd go by his social club in Manhattan, and I'd start talking to him. I would frequent places that he would frequent just to rub elbows with him, and I would be like, hey, did you hear? Of course he heard in the Serbian community that I was boosting cars.

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I had this great scam on boosting cars. And it became to the point where if everybody in the community knows that I'm doing this, Well, the police are going to get wind of it soon. Somebody's going to get pinched for something and they're going to give me up. We were doing cars with keys. Yeah, I was going to say, what is this? Yeah, we were doing cars with keys. We had a guy in motor vehicles.

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So the guy in motor vehicles would give us a fake driver's license. Then we also had another guy that was a great counterfeiter and he would make driver's licenses. He would make registrations and everything. So we came up, I came up with the idea If somebody was to go to a dealer, say Mercedes-Benz, because I had a friend, Serbian guy, who worked as a head mechanic at Porsche Audi in Long Island.

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So he told me, he goes, oh yeah, the key costs like $95. All they ask for is a registration and a driver's license. My head is clicking. If we're fucking boosting cars, high-end cars, constantly from people's driveways, we have to get a slapjack to pull out the ignition, you know, and put a fucking screwdriver in there or put a pair of pliers and, you know, get it going, you know.

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I said, what if we got keys? Now, we're getting orders from people in the neighborhood like, oh, yo, I just smacked up my 560. I need, you know, parts, whatever. What color do you want? I'll get you the exact color. So with the key, you just walk over and just get in and drive away like no problem.

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So we started getting everybody fake IDs and we would go and scope the area out, get the VIN numbers, write them all down. go back and go to the guy in the motor vehicles and say, can you give us a printout of this and this? The guy with the fake IDs, he would give us the name that we wanted. Once we got the registration, we knew who the owner was.

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Born in Serbia, January 20th, 1969. Came to United States, 1970s. Grew up in Bushwick, Brooklyn. It was a big Serbian community, Romanian community. I'm half Serbian, half Romanian. My dad's Serbian. My mom is Romanian. Speak both languages. Why did your family come here? My uncle came during the 60s. We lived in the communist era.

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We would take the owner's name, put it on that driver's license. They would never check to see how old you are. They would never check anything. As long as you got a nice suit on. We even would pay people. Like, hey, you want to make a quick $250? Just go in there, give him this, give him this license. Come take a picture at this guy's house. You know, guys were desperate. They would do it.

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At one point, we had 125 keys. So 125 keys, and we get $5,000 in the car on the quick. So it got to the point that everybody in the neighborhood knew about the scam. Because word of mouth, one guy would say, hey, you know what? This guy, Pedge, did this, and this guy did that. And like I said, the guy, Bosco, heard about me. He was like, yo, you're making money hand over fist. You're smart, bro.

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I respect that. So I would go Bosco at in 91 because he did a jury tampering case for John Gotti. He fled. He just took off. It wasn't really, you know, the mafia was everybody was getting pinched. That was right before Gravano got pinched and all of that. So Bosco left. He had a casino already in Serbia. He had a casino and a nightclub.

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so he was a serbian underlord you know over there he had his own crew he was he was making hand over fist he was also involved in a little narco trafficking so i went over there and i saw him uh he would put me on with other gangs and whatever so while i was there i was making a little money overseas so that's like when i like when the whole thing happened with that guy getting killed and i took off

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I would go see Bosco and be like, yo, can you give me some? Can you throw me a bone? Of course, he'd be like, yeah, sure. Boom. Go see this guy in Belgrade. Go see this guy in Verschatz. Go see this guy in this other town. Man, I'd make a little coin. My family didn't like it because there's a thing like...

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He came with me to make sure I went straight home with that bag. Stand-up guy. I mean, if it wasn't for him, I would have been in the system long, long ago. But yeah, I did stupid shit like that, you know? He just was a bad influence. He was putting in my head at that age to be disrespectful to women. You know, just all over bad. Like nothing, wasn't a good father figure at all, you know?

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Like when I walk in a room, I have a typical European swag of a gangster or a criminal or a ex-boxer or karate dude. Everybody says it. I don't walk like regular guys. When I walk in, I walk in like I own the place. So Bosco took that to his advantage. So when I got over there, the guys in the street that were walking saw me walk, and they were just right away not questioning me.

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They were just like, you look like you could take care of yourself. I maybe got into two fights when I was back home. And basically, I did my dirty pool, and I was doing MMA before MMA was big. Like I did... I did Muay Thai. I did Jiu-Jitsu. I was doing it. There was no UFC back then. The UFC was, I think it was the early 90s where they would put up people from different genres.

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Like, you know, they would put a Kung Fu guy versus a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu guy. It was a shit show. UFC wasn't what it is today. But, yeah, so, you know, I would do that and I'd make a few dollars while I was there. And then I'd come back and get my feet wet again here. And the job was always waiting for me. It was a union job. They couldn't fire me.

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As long as my job was done, I could take a leave of absence at will. So, you know, once you get into the union, you could do stuff like that. So the job was my buffer. You know, it kept $1,000 a week in my pocket, you know, helped out my mom with the rent and whatever. but I was always trying to make some kind of a hustle. I got off on it.

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Like, honestly, like, you know, being entrepreneurial as a kid, you know, I had like three, four different businesses, you know, and it got to the point where I wasn't doing anything. Like I had the guy tinting my windows, etching my windows for me. And I would just take the money. I wasn't even DJing anymore. I would just be like, send people out to DJ parties and stuff.

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And I would be taking money. And yeah, It was when I did a scam or a hustle or something and I made some money, I never did it too long. Something was always in my gut telling me after like six months, eight months, like, yo, you're playing this out. You need to back the fuck up. There's guys that still do the same hustle like you were doing your hustle.

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And people just like a comfort like, yeah, I could do this. I never got comfortable like six months, eight months. That was I did cigarettes. when cigarettes were like, they were taxing the shit out of them in New York and Giuliani was like, ah, you know, you can't go to the Indian reservations no more. Because I was going to the Indian reservations and buying 500 cartons at a clip.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I would send four guys with vans and minivans and be like, here's the money, go buy 500 cartons, you know? And then he made a law, you can't buy anything over 300 cartons. So I'd be like going in by $299, you know, and then I had guys going to Virginia. Same shit, bringing them in, $299. If they get caught going over the bridge, well, it's not a federal offense.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You're not, you know, traffic in the cigarettes, you know. You're not trying to avoid the fucking tax thing. It's $299, you know. But, yeah, I did a lot of crimes, a lot of things. Do I have regrets? Yes. Yes and no. Yes and no. I mean, I have regrets for the things that got caught. I was stupid. There's a lot of things I don't have regrets.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I kick back, have a few beers with my friends, and we relive these times. And I'm like, you remember that? And they're like, yeah, you were the shit. It's something. I mean, being 54 years old now, it's something to look back on. I wouldn't want my fucking kid doing any of this shit, honestly. That's the reason I came to Florida. Because...

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you know, is living in Jersey and then like getting divorced. It was just a shit show. I had to go back in the street. Now, I was out of the life for a bit. I had to go back into the street to make a hustle because, you know, I didn't know what else to do. You know, I went back to Queens and I was like right back in the street, like tell my son, stay with grandma. I'll be right back.

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I come back with like two, three thousand. Like I was just hustling again. And I got told, get the fuck out of here. Like, what are you doing? You've been clean all this time. Get out. I had people that liked me, you know. But it was... It's going to go bad eventually. It's just a matter of time. Oh, it's... I'll be honest with you. Back in the day, it was golden because there was no cameras.

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They couldn't tap into the ATM cameras. Nobody had cell phones. There wasn't the iPhone where you're committing a crime, you got a gun to somebody's head and they could take a fucking picture or you whack somebody. There's surveillance. There's a freaking ring camera on somebody's house. Today, they will catch you quick.

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But he was that gangster, you know. He was a black belt in Hapkido, taught me dirty pool. I used to get beat on as a kid. And he put me in karate, taught me the dirty pool, even took on my sensei. Because I said, back then you used to be able to get hit by your teacher.

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You know? I mean, you have to be super slick and you got to come up with something like... You know, something that you're going to bang out some money, but don't get greedy. Don't go banging out a lot like you did.

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Coming here the first two years, I was always on the hustle. Like, you know, I would like to look at a dollar and see 10. You know what I mean? So, like, but I don't know anybody here. I don't know anybody here. There's nobody here that, like, there's not a go-to guy. I was the go-to guy in New York. You needed a car, you came to me. I knew chop shops. I knew, you know, junkyards. I know.

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I knew everybody for everything. I knew who can smelt gold down, who could fucking cut diamonds. I knew everybody for everything. I was the go-to guy. That was my thing. I loved it when I went somewhere and somebody said, hey, what you got going on? And I'm like, well, what do you need?

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Hey man, we just got a score, you know, and they show me a diamond ring and I'm like, oh, it's a nice fucking rock. We can cut this into like five rocks, you know? So I'd be like, let me take it to my guy. And you know, you got to trust me now. So I go to my guy and my guy goes, oh, pfft. dude, I'll give you 20 grand for it right now.

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I call him up and be like, yo, my bad, he's only gonna give you 15. I said, you know my cut. I mean, okay, guys, I shouldn't be saying this now because guys are gonna be looking back and be like, what a fucking scumbag, you know? But yo, that's the part of the game, you know? I would never take anybody with me to go to my connect because I've gotten scumbagged in the past.

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I've gotten people that have taken me for a ride and undercut me and went straight, you know? But I mean, I've dabbled in everything. I've dabbled in weed.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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um most of the guys that i dabbled with now they're all legit you know they all got um legit uh what do you call smoke shops or whatever in the city so they're all making hand over fist because it's all legal in new york i don't i don't know why anybody would be like doing illegal weed now like do you ever have anybody um uh reach out to you and say hey i got this thing i need you to and i'll be honest in the beginning yeah um

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It was like, you know, favors would get called in like, hey, Ped, you know, you got to connect for this and this. And I'd be like, yeah. And I'd be like, my head would just, the way you said in one of your podcasts, like, I'd be like, wow. My head would be like just figuring how I can make money. You know, like it was just the excitement of it, like all over again. I get all tingly.

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But I'd have to pull the reins back, look at my kid and be like, you know, I'm 50 some years old. I could go away for a long fucking time. I mean, I could do the favor. So what I would end up doing is I'd reach out to my guy and I would just remove myself from the situation. You know, from that equation, I would remove myself. So I would tell my guy, look, you want to bless me?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Dirty pool, okay, you know you have... The foundation of karate or whatever art you're taking, it's all you got to take your hands and you got to do it a certain position. They're called katas. No, my guy, he goes to me, there's no katas. He goes, the guy comes at you, you go straight for a throat punch. You take your hand, you put it in his eyes, you pull his eyes out.

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You want to send me a little something some from my kid? I appreciate it. If not, I'm out. You could have my connect. He's going to call you. Just call him on a burner and do what you need to do. And that was it. And once I started getting into that habit, it was easier to just separate myself from that life.

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But it's also, there's a saying in Serbian, a face not seen is a face forgotten. So you're not in that life. You're not rubbing elbows with these people on a regular basis. You're not playing cards with them. They don't see you in the hood anymore. You're a face forgotten. So, you know, like I'd reach out to a couple of guys. Hey, what's up? They wouldn't have time for me.

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They'd be like, oh, you know, I'm doing something. I'll hit you up later. They never fucking hit me up. So it kind of sucks. But then I have all these stories. I have all this, you know. It's for the better. No, it really is. It really is. Because my kid, once we moved back to Queens and my son started to literally see what it was like. My son saw when we used to go see grandma.

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People would say, hey, Pedge, how you doing? This and that. My son got to see that. A few guys would come up and put a 50 on him and say, hey, good luck, kid. This is for you. You know, like a little blessing. But once we had to go back to Queens and I'd go to like pizzerias and I would be ordering calamari, clams, this, calzones, nothing. Everything would be on the cuff.

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They would never charge me. Like, oh, it's good, Pej. Don't worry about it. I would like $60, $70 worth of food. God, Pej, don't worry about it. It's okay. I'd blow red lights. Cops would pull me over. I'd have like 18 PBA cards. I'd be like, here you go. Oh, yeah, I know who you run away. They'd let me go. They'd be like, just, you know, don't go so fast.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know, don't go through the red light like that. Don't just blow it. My son saw this and he thought it was he thought it was Grand Theft Auto. He thought it was Niko Belich. Niko Belich is a Serbian guy from Bosnia. So my son is like playing Grand Theft Auto going, Dad, are you this guy in the video game? And I'm like, what do you say to the kid?

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I'm just like, you know, and then just so happens one day there's a block party down the block from the house. And an Italian guy turns the corner. I've been telling my kid all these stories, like, you know, about me and my past and everything. He's heard me talking to other people. And there was this guy, Joe. He was supposed to clip me.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And he was supposed to clip me because this guy said, Pedge this and this. And he lied. And this guy just came. He was one of those shooter guys, you know. And he just came. And he came into my bar. And I see him with the gun. I'm all like, yo, Joe, what are you doing here? And he's just like, Pedge, I don't know. I'm hearing words, you know. This guy said this and this.

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I was like, you believe that? He goes, no, but I was told to come in. I was like, yo, do what you got to do because this is bullshit. This guy's lying. He's like, that's what I said. So we ended up having to sit down about that. But this guy came to whack me, came to clip me. So I told my son about this. This guy turns the corner.

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And then my son turns around and this guy's talking to him going, this is your little man. Oh my God, Mink. Yeah, you know, starts hugging my kid. He goes, your father's a man of respect. He's a good man. You know, look up to him, you know, and he gives him a little money. He goes, hey, good seeing you, Patch. Kiss me on the cheek, takes off. I go to my son, Marco. I go, hey, see that guy?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He goes, yeah. I go, that's the guy who tried to kill me. My son couldn't fathom why I was kissing this guy on the cheek. And I said, business is business. This is the life. Now, are you so happy about thinking that I'm Nico Baelich from Grand Theft Auto? And then my son was like, no. I said, I have to look over my shoulder. I said, Marco, I'm going to be honest with you. We need to leave.

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We need to get the fuck out of here. Pick a fucking state.

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of course my son is going to pick florida because we'd come here three times a year you know it was me and him it wasn't me and my ex-wife yeah disney we'd go to tampa we go to the zoo you know we would do everything we go to space center you know it was always the same thing and i bought a condo on siesta key so my condo was my base operations then i'd come and hang out in tampa by my godfather's house and then i'd rent a hotel in orlando and i'd go and spend five days there and hit everything

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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hit Hollywood Studios, hit Disney. My son loved it here. And he goes, Florida. I was like, I fucking hate Florida. I said, but for you, my parents came to the United States for a better life. I said, for you, I'll do it. Plus, I don't want you walking in my fucking footsteps at all. And it was the hardest thing. I used to sit here and curse Florida. I used to be like, I fucking hate it here.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He taught me how to sweep the knee, how to take the knee out, like break the kneecap. So I learned at a young age, when you hit somebody, you hit them in this part, you break their jaw, you hit them here, you break their orbital socket, you hit them here, you crush their windpipe. It's just insane what he taught me. And I knew all of this, and I never used it until in my early teens.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Because, you know, going from that atmosphere where you know everybody, you were a wanted guy. Everybody loved you. Everybody feared you. You know, I don't have that here. You know, I walk down the street, I'm nobody. First year I was here, skinhead fucking tried to step to me. Literally in the mall. Stepped to me, said some shit. Called me like a fucking juice head or something.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And I was like a little bit more jacked up than I am now. I turned around, I was like, who the fuck you think you're talking to? The guy goes, oh, what are you going to fucking do about it? He's got a Nazi swastika hair. He's got, he's like tatted up. He's got at least like seven inches on me. 30 pounds on me. And I'm just like, yo, I'm going to warn you right now. I know fucking MMA.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Second, I don't think you know who the fuck I am. And he's just like, pulls out a fucking knife. I was just like, like he pulled out a fucking knife. And I was just like, yo, for real? And I just go to swing on him. He starts running. His wife pulls out a box cutter and starts swiping at my fucking girlfriend. My girlfriend's taking a fucking bag.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And she's just fucking hit her with a Michael Kors bag. Bang, bang. I'm flying down the escalator. Yo, this is in the middle of the mall. And I'm just going like, fuck this. Now I'm in Florida. I said, call the fucking cops. I was like, because I'm going to murder this guy. Like, call the cops before I murder this guy. I chase him out into the parking lot. Cops are there. Six fucking squad cars.

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And... Make a long story short, the cops are yelling at me because I'm going, yeah, you know what? If you want to come see me, I work at a fucking LA Fitness on 580. Come see me, you motherfucker. And the cops are going, shut the fuck up because if this guy slips in the shower and bumps his fucking head and dies, we're coming for you. And I'm just like, all right.

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And my son is watching us like nothing.

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you know and my my girl keep trying to get in between and i just my girl's a little little short little stubby little girl man tough i pushed her i flung her into macy's like my son was just like shaking his head going don't fuck with my dad my dad will fling you like you know but yeah i got i got tested when i was first here it is what it is i mean now i've learned to control my temper you know it's like this here you'll never see that guy again

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, next time I got to take care of him, for real. Like, I got to fucking bat him, stab him, shoot him, do something. But, yeah, I mean, and now I carry a gun legit because, you know, my record's expunged and I'm all legit now. And, you know, it's funny. I used to pull out that gun so fucking quick. Man, I don't even pull that shit out now.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like for real, it's like I warned a person like, yo, back the fuck, I don't want any fucking problems. Like I had a few altercations in the gym where I'm like, yo, for real, I'll grab a fucking dumbbell and crack you in the head. Like, do you know who I am? And here I am saying this, like, do you know who I am? I'm like, I'm nobody. Like I was that person.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I just need to like, yo, let's go outside and take care of it. I'll show you who I am. Now it's like, I just kind of like ignore shit. Like, you know, I go to the gym, I get my, you know, I get my swell on, my son works out with me. You know, it is what it is. I got some haters that talk some shit that I'm on juice.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like, for real, dude, if I was on juice, you don't think I'd be, like, fucking 19, 20-inch arms, like, for real? Like, it's insane, bro. I was going to say, you're not?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So my mom and him... I don't know if I should say this, but it's common knowledge. Everybody knows. My mom would take off for long periods of time and live in Connecticut. Now I'm at 12 years old, 13 years old, living alone. My mom would just show up on the weekends, do the laundry, fill up the fridge, and I was left to my own demise to do whatever the fuck I wanted.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I used to be able to train like so intense. I cannot train intense. I've had four surgeries back to back. I've torn ligaments. I've torn like the tricep tendon. This was a bad surgery here in Florida. I had to get surgery four times. The guy screwed me up the first time I went to another doctor. That guy screwed me up twice. Put in a screw. The screw was popping out of my skin.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So I went to a guy in Tampa that does Navy SEALs. This guy goes, yo, listen. He goes, I'm going to cut you. I'll put a cadaver tendon in there. I'll stretch it out, all of this. He goes, you won't be 100%, but you'll be 75 to 80. I'm 75 to 80. I am. But I can't train intense. I used to be able to do like 120 pound dumbbells. Fuck, if I do 70s, And I do 70s for reps.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I do like 35, 40 reps, sets of four, you know. My son's pretty fucking jacked up too. And everybody in the gym was saying shit like, I got my son on fucking juice. And I'm like, I don't. My son is stockier than me. Like when I was my son's age, I was a fucking crackhead. I was like so skinny. My son, very stocky, takes after his mom. Very stocky, 5'7". He's kind of like you're built, you know.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But he just, he works out. That's all he does. Comes with me, does the routine. I wish I was 5'7".

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It means a lot.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Dude, I did another podcast before, and that's how I brought up the situation of... And the story is about the Serbian mob. Because I want to plant the flag. I want to plant the flag for the Serbian community. Because... You know, it's great that I was a mob associate with the Gambinos and the Bananos. It's all, you know, it's all peaches and cream.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But I was running around with the Serbians and I was in that circle. And, you know, I just thought it's about time we get some respect. Albanians are getting respect because they're dealing drugs, they're narco-trafficking. Why can't Serbians get respect? I mean, and I knew the stories about the Pink Panthers because I met... Pavel Stanimirovich Punch. I met his dad, Voyslav Stanimirovich.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I met him. I got introduced to him in a club called Dubrovnik in Manhattan by Bosco Radoncic, head of the Westies. He was a big Serbian gangster and he introduced me to him. I was 17 years old when I first met him. So he goes to me, hey, this is, say, Uncle Voya. So I said, Uncle Voya in Serbian is Chica Voya. So I was like, nice to meet you, Chica Voya.

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Bosco vouches for me by saying, good kid, he's an earner. So he goes to me, if you ever have something you want to get rid of, come see me. Gives me his business card. Something painting or some shit. Like they had a painting company, like a side fucking, like a side gig.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And I remember one time we robbed a jeweler that was on his way home and he was... We heard from somebody that worked there that he was going to have a lot of shit on him, you know, bars and diamonds and loose stuff and whatever. So we waited, put a gun to his head with masks, took his fucking shit and... I was the guy to get rid of it. Like, you know, can you get rid of this? Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So I went to punch his dad and punch his dad was just like, Oh, this is a good fucking score with a little eye thing. And he's looking to go, this is fucking phenomenal. He goes, you're a good. And of course he's like, Oh, I could only give you 60 on the dollar. You know, he's got to make his fucking money. He's the guy who's going to get rid of it. You know? Um,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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As the years went by, I mean, we weren't really doing like jewelry heists, but there was always the occasional, you know, somebody I knew would like rob somebody of like an enormous amount of silver or gold or whatever it is. And they'd be like, Patch, can you get rid of it? Because if you go and you try to melt it yourself and get rid of it, you have to go from place to place to place.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And that's where I started my life of crime, you could say.

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And people ask questions and they want to give you shit money on the dollar. So I'd be like, yeah, I said, but you got to pay me a finder's fee. So I would always be like, that's my finder's fee, you know? And I'd get there and I'd call them up and be like, go to a payphone and be like, oh, he said he's only going to give you this much. Of course, I'd tag a couple of Gs on there.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Then there was times when I had some Rolexes, you know, stolen Rolexes. When we were boosting cars, there was different crews of guys boosting cars. Some people would leave their Rollies in the car. Sometimes the key would be there.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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started boosting uh bikes off the street i would just walk up to kids throw them off their bikes take it but i would go into a different neighborhood i shouldn't even laugh at that well yeah it's funny it's funny now but it wasn't funny now i'm sure it wasn't but that adrenaline that i got and i was like this is cool i get to ride this new bmx bike and i was from a different neighborhood so i'd be driving it in my neighborhood riding around everybody be like oh your mom

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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To go into the person's house... They'd see that there was nobody home... How they got in... They got in... They would steal the jewelry... They would steal the Rolexes... Patek Philippe's... Whatever it was... Who do you know to get rid of that? You can't go to a fucking... You got to have somebody you know... In the jewelry district... I used to go to Punch's dad.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Punch's dad would be like, oh, this is awesome. Oh, this we can't move. It's like a one in 40 piece. Only 40 of them are made. He goes, let me hold on to it. I'll see if I can get you at least $20,000, $25,000 for it. Of course, I'd lowball the thing and be like, you can only get you $50,000, whatever. I started getting known as the watch guy for a while because I was getting stolen watches.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Guys would get credit cards, go to Turno Corner in the city, buy like bang out three, four fucking watches, come back to me and be like, get me four grand for this Rolex. I'd be like, it's an $8,000 Rolex. Just get me four grand. They're like, okay. You know, like box comes with the papers, everything. I'd go around to the cafes and be like, anybody want a Rolly for six?

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They'd be like, oh, I'll give you a five and a half. You know, I'm still making money.

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It's still 1,500 bucks.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And then back then, I mean, that's money. I mean, for me, it was a lot of money. You know, I would get $1,000. I'd move three watches. $1,500 for being in the bar anyway. Exactly. You know what I'm saying? So that's kind of coming with, you know, when I said, well, I have my steady job, but doing what I was doing, I had to, like, spend all this time in these areas.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And I would, like, I mean, half the shit that I have, this is stolen. Like, I mean, like, dude, this is fucking, I mean, this is one of my classics. It's a Bentley. It's like, I love this fucking shit, you know? Oh, I got a couple of Rollies home. Some of them are legit. Some of them are not. I mean, you know. Right. But, I mean, it is what it is. I mean, you know, it's the spoils.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know, I mean, like, this is all I have. I have a watch collection now, you know, and I have jewelry. I was going to wear my chain. And if I would have wore it, I thought it would have been a little bit much. It's like a 200-gram chain with a big cross like this. The priests don't even wear crosses this big. It's got, like, seven carats and diamonds in it, custom-made cross.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I was going to wear that, but I was just like, you know, I don't want to show off.

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and punch was telling me about like he would get like a hard on because he was doing a heist you know i mean like he'd be just like yo he goes i'd be so hard i can cut diamonds with my dick you know like i'd be like what he goes yo he goes i'd be sitting there like oh i would you want to punch the fucking safe and get in and out and he he was a master he was not on the streets to punch into a safe quick how he did it i don't fucking know i don't care he did it i mean you know one of his downfalls was when he first did one of his heists he uh

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I heard this rumor in the street, and reading his book, it vindicates it. He went in to punch into this safe, and there was bags of money when he got in the safe on the floor that he just kicked the fucking bags over. Well, they were bags, but he didn't know they were full of money.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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loves you she always gets you a new bike all the time never told anybody i was boosting them um and then i would sell them i'd go to like bushwick and like go to the puerto ricans and be like yo you want to buy a bike give me 30 bucks and then i hop on the bus for 50 cents come back to glendale you know and it was pocket full of money yeah pocket full of money for you know 12 13 year old kid that's phenomenal you know i buy weed you know i treat my friends we get a 40 you know old english and we go to the park

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He didn't think to check. He just was like, let me get the diamonds. Let me get the gold. He came away with, I forgot, I think it was $8 million in gems. And it was 20 million in cash on the fucking floor that the next day his dad was like, hello, stupid. Did you read this? And he's like, what? The feds are going to be all over us now. Because they were the original Pink Panthers.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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The Pink Panthers came from Europe. And that's why I try to plant the flag. I want credit where credit is due. Serbians are the ones, the innovators of the Pink Panthers to this day. It's predominantly Serbians that are doing all these Monaco heists and the Beyonce thing and

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, these are like X. These are like X. Some are X. Yes, some are X. Some are just, I'm going to be honest with you, hooligans, soccer hooligans. Guys that have that swag when they walk into a room, they walk shoulders flaring and they just got fucking balls of steel. They don't give a shit. They're meticulous. They plan this shit. It's guys that have been doing it for years.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Teach a younger generation. They break off. They have another crew. You got one in Belgium. You got one in France. You got one in England. You got them all fucking over, you know? And like I said, I just wanted to plant that flag. And I did a podcast where I planted the fucking flag. I got like whatever I got, how many views I got. Punch happened to see it and he reached out to me.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And he's just like, yo, dude, why didn't you reach out to me, you know, sooner? And I'm just like... For what? I mean, we're not doing anything. Like, I haven't seen you in fucking 20 years, man. 15 years since, you know, before you went in the first time. Second time, actually. And I just wanted to touch base with him a couple of times about the book. I love the book.

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It's like his book is my life minus my name. Right. Except for the heists that he was doing. He was doing some fucking high-end shit, man. Some of them were worth like fucking 15, 20, 40 million. But the guys that he was in that circle, we all... We're in that circle. He's got a guy, Sava Boxer. That guy worked my door. He was a mentor to me when I was growing up.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He was the one that told me, you love being Serbian, take your double-headed eagle and put it inside. He goes, you don't need to put a target on your back. Nobody needs to know what the fuck you are. You're a good chameleon. When you're with Spanish people, you look Spanish and act Spanish. When you're with Serbians, you speak and act. When you're with Italians, you speak and act. He goes...

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That's what you need to do. He was a big mentor to me. Then there was the guy that Punch had in his book, Jovan Pudar. He's a Serbian boxer. He went pro. He worked for me. I gave him his first fucking job. He worked for me at my fucking bar, you know? And... I think that's where Punch came into my fucking bar. I was really busy at the time, but Punch came in and Punch was looking for me.

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And then he got locked up again because, you know, he was doing a lot of fucking careless shit. Yeah. You know, carjacking. I mean... You name it, he was doing it. He was just getting off on it.

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This went on, you know, and then my mom and him came back. He tried to, like, kick me out the house, try to get rid of me. You know, planted coke on me. How old are you?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, and it's insane because, like, we knew who Punch was in the streets. We all knew, you know, and... The stories, the rumors that were circulating, it was just insane. And I said it on another podcast, and I'm going to say it here. I said, you know, everybody that I was growing up with was like, oh, Lufthansa heist was the biggest heist, you know.

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15.

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This guy was taking in 15, 20 million, 30 million. I don't know what his biggest scores were, but people were talking about it in the streets. And like I said, I wanted to plant that flag. And he needs to come on the show and plant the flag because...

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that group that criminal enterprise a lot of guys went into different directions a lot of guys started becoming um heavy hitters in the sense like some guys went back to serbia working with other other criminal gangs some guys worked for for bosco as i said um Other guys were making up their own little, you know, like they come and work for punch his dad and he would teach him the ropes.

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They bring to the table what they were good at. Like I said, maybe this guy was an acrobat. Maybe this guy would work as he was a gymnast or he worked. He was an Olympic gymnast or whatever. Those things come into play when you're doing that kind of crime. Right.

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I mean, there's stories that he wrote in his book that I laugh about because I heard where they had to scale a pole to get into the building. The guy's got like 40 pounds of silver and gold on, plus he's a big, tall dude. He slides down. He almost breaks his leg. It's insane shit that they were doing. Or they would like... There was one story where they left acetylene torches in the building.

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And nobody, because in Manhattan, nobody, there's tanks everywhere on the street. There's hydrogen tanks on the street and everything. Nobody thought this guy left it on the loading dock fucking for two days. Comes the fucking weekend. He has a connection with the security company. He shuts off the security, goes offline. He goes in, pretends he's a worker. They come in with dollies, this and that.

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They go to the loading dock, take the acetylene torches, cut through. Walk away, nobody questions shit. I mean, he's got a pair of nuts on him. I'm serious. Like, half the shit he did, I mean, I did some crazy shit, and he says to me, I wish you were there, you know, just to sit in the car. Fuck, Dad, I'd be shitting pickles.

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Like, you know, I've done little heists where I was fucking scared shitless. Could you imagine, like, a $20 million heist? No way. I'd be like... I don't know if I'd be able to go through it. I mean, maybe the adrenaline would fucking kind of push me.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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that would be terrifying like either one of those scenarios really is terrifying but the guys that run in and the smash and grab guys think these guys are idiots and these guys think the smash and grab guys are idiots yeah it's i mean what's your comfort level is yeah i mean like i don't know like maybe if i would have been asked back in the day to do something and maybe if i would have got my feet wet maybe i would have got that hard on to want to do that kind of stuff i mean you know punch always tells me like oh he goes dude you skirted the law

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great. He goes, you never did hard time. You never. And I'm like, yeah. He goes, I look up to you for that. I'm like, are you nuts? Like you look up to me. I go, look at you. I go, I made fucking peanuts compared to you. He goes, yeah, but you were in that life. You got to do the hustle that you liked. He goes, something told you like, don't stay in it long.

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And he goes, I wish I could have did that. He goes, I was, something was telling me don't do it. I would just go and do it anyway. He goes till I finally would get caught. You know, I just was like, I don't know. I mean, for me, I think if I would have got slammed with some hard time, I think that would have fucking really woke me to fuck up for real.

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But then again, a year, you would have did your year, and you would have made connections on the inside, and you would have came out and been like, I was pretty cocky.

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I'm going to tell you a quick story. Sorry to cut you off. I got a big regret. One regret I got, I shot a dude, all right? And my son was just born. And, you know, after my son coming into life, you know, this was eating at me. This one specific guy was... He didn't have it coming to him. I wasn't drunk. It was over a fucking card game.

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I just didn't like the way he was shuffling the fucking cards. He was doing this the whole time. I was like, you're making me nervous. Stop doing that. Then he would like throw the cards and give me a new deck. This went on for like fucking three hours. And I just, boom, you know, did what I had to do. I went to go see my priest. I'm very kind of religious, if you can believe that.

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But I went to go see the priest. And I told the priest, I said... You know, in our church, I'm Serbian Orthodox, so you got 2,000 parishioners, and then the priest goes, does anybody want to confess? You have to go in front of every fucking body. He pulls up the cape, puts the cape over you, and you tell him what you did wrong. So I said, I shot a guy. Yo, he jerked the cape like this.

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He went like that. He looked at everybody like guilt on his face, like he did it. Now everybody's looking at me going, they know who the fuck I am. And they're like, oh, what did he do wrong now? What is he trying to be like fucking, you know, forgiving about? Now everybody's like wondering, whispering, you know. The priest goes, I want you to stay after mass. I want to talk to you. All right.

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But before you leave, go put money on this icon. Pray to this icon. Give me 10 Hail Marys. Give me 11 Our Fathers, you know. I went there. I did all of that. I waited. Yo, he chewed my fucking ear off. And he goes, you know what? You want to make this right with God? You really want to be forgiven? I said, yeah. I go, you know me. I don't have a fucking care in the world.

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I don't care that I stole fucking cars. I don't give a shit that I shot other guys in the ass. He goes, but this guy's sticking out to you. Yeah. Go find him. Go knock on his door. Ask for forgiveness. I said, are you fucking nuts? I go, this guy's probably a made guy in the fucking Gambino's now. He goes, you got to do it. I said, that's poking the fucking bear the wrong way.

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I may not come out of this. He goes, that's the only way God will forgive you. Thought about it for a week. Found him. Went to Long Island. Went to this big ass house. I'm like, this has got a Mercedes in the driveway. I'm like, this motherfucker is going to, he's going to cap me right here. Knock on the door. Ring the bell. Knock on the door. He opens. He comes like limping.

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Like, you know, I see him through the thing. How long had it been? 15 years. 13, 15 years. Still

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yeah like it's not good i i hit him bad so i mean i heard in the street that like he's one leg is shorter than the other so make a long story short like i always do but he opens the door his face just you know dropped he's a you want i said yo um this has been sitting on my conscious that's been eating at me i did you wrong he just went

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spat I mean loogie it was like right in my eye I was like I gotta get an AIDS test after this you know like he did that and he goes you got a lot of balls coming to my fucking house you know who the fuck I am I said well if you were really fucking somebody I go I wouldn't be standing here I said I just wanted to and he just slams the fucking door and I was just like I'm gonna need to go see my guy Bobby Glasses about this because this could end up being really bad and I poke this fucking bear you know

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And I came back. I went to go see Bobby. Sat down with Bobby. He was a big guy in the Gambinos. Bobby Glasses. And Bobby was like, I'm going to reach out. I'm going to see if this guy wants to make a fucking beef on this. He goes, it's been so long ago. I was like, but is he somebody? He goes, he's an associate. He makes fucking money. But...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He was really scared of me, you know, and I heard that he tried to get people to, like, off me. Not to pay money, but, like, he was trying to pit people against me, like, oh, Pej is this, Pej is that. Yeah, Pej shot me, but, you know, whatever the story may be. Nothing ever, you know, came to fruition for him. And Bobby said, he's not going to bother you no more.

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But back then, I couldn't fathom the shit that I was going through. I tried, look, you know, I didn't have no, I got no brothers, no sisters. I got a lot of, you know, cousins, but I was the black sheep of the family. It was just, there was two people in the family that were the black sheep. It was my uncle John and me.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He said, it took a lot of balls for you to come there, but he doesn't forgive you. I said, but I got a kid now. I'm like looking over my shoulder. He goes, but why'd you go over there and poke that bear? I said, my priest told me, oh, you got a conscious now. I said, you know, I don't know how to explain it. Like I said, I'd done a lot of shit wrong.

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Maybe because I was drunk or I was high or whatever the story may be. I have no regrets. This one dude, it ate at me. It ate at me and ate at me. And I looked at my kid. And that's the real reason why I pulled out of that life. I had a little money on the street. I was doing a couple of scams. I did a couple of credit card things. I was going to AC, banging out cards. I went to Vegas.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I got jammed up there. But I was just like, you know what? I'm going to stay with my kid. And I raised my kid. My ex-wife was a horrible fucking person. She got up after 30 days and went back to fucking work. So I basically raised this kid's mother and father.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And having a kid with colic for three months crying on you, and the only way they could sleep was hearing your heartbeat, that just ate me the fuck up. It was just like, I don't want this kid growing up like I grew up. I don't want this kid walking in my footsteps. I don't want him to look up to me because I'm a gangster. I want him to look up to me

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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because he looks up to me right and he changed my life and then that's why i said let me get a house in jersey let me move out of the neighborhood because i was told by bobby glasses leave if you leave this neighborhood it's it's in your rear view the further you can get away the better so i was 45 minutes to an hour away you know in the beginning you come back to the neighborhood constantly but if you got to keep driving going into midtown traffic and all well like you said you're not around so you stop being involved in all that stuff exactly exactly

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, I mean, I had a couple of weed spots. You know, I was selling weed through barbershops. So I would just go and collect. After a while, I didn't even go collect. I had my mom collect. So I would just be like, yo, mom, just, you know, my mom was like, what? I'm like, the guy's going to come and give you an envelope. Count the fucking money.

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She'd call me up and be like, there's like 5,800 in one envelope and there's like 10,200... What are you doing? And I'd be like, shut the fuck up. Take $100 for yourself, you know, for counting and take for groceries or whatever. You know, I tried it. She was living in my building. It was rent-free. Right.

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But, you know, once I was out there and, you know, teaching my son how to play sports, I had a big acre of land, big backyard, trampoline. Me and him, it was just the best times of my fucking life, you know? Right. And... That was it. I stopped going. I got rid of the weed spots, sold them to some fucking competitor. I was like, take them over. Give me this much.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know, give me my tax and that's it. I'm out, you know. And I just didn't do anything. But when I got divorced and I got cancer, colon cancer, yeah, I got diagnosed with stage two twice. I got a problem with polyps. They told me I got like fertile land inside of me, like where the polyps just grow. I'm a big meat eater. You know, I eat a lot of meat.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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My uncle John, he was, you know, he had a smack habit, you know, and that's all stemming from his dad and his brother. You know, they kind of like, they pushed him out the family and they were always saying how one brother was better than him. And so that's kind of like I was the same shit. Like they're like, oh, you're following John's footsteps. I was like, it is what it is. I don't care.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And Serbians eat a lot of pork, a lot of beef, you know, just a lot of meat in general. And first time, stage two, they pulled it out. Second time, stage two, same fucking place. It was as big as my fucking pinky like that. And he goes, you know, you need to do something about this. Change your diet. So I went from like 255, big as a fucking brick shithouse, and then I went down to like 220.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Just by dieting. I had to start eating more fucking vegetables, salads, stay away from the red meat. The look on your face is like, salads. Like you're disgusted. Dude, I just look at salad and I get diarrhea looking at it. For real. And that's all it does is it just cleans you the fuck out. It's like, I like a solid shit. So I like to eat a two-pound fucking steak, you know? But yeah, so...

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I didn't go for my colonoscopy. I usually go once a year, once every 18 months, came to Florida with my kid. We sold the, uh, we sold the, uh, condo and siesta key. Something was telling me I need to get rid of it. Cause I kind of smelt my ex-wife was, there was something brewing, uh, caught her cheating.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So I got rid of it just in the nick of time, did a little under the table, fucking jam with a guy, you know? So, uh, she don't know about that. Fuck you, bitch. And, um, And then I went to the doctor. I was feeling something was off. They say that you know when you get the big C, you know, whatever.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I was just feeling something was off, wasn't feeling right, and went to the doctor, did the colonoscopy. His face was a little different. Usually when I wake up after a colonoscopy, he usually zips his pants and goes, hey, that was fun. Great fucking doctor. This time, there was no zipping up the pants. There was no joking with him. And I was just like, yo, what's up?

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And he goes, come to my office. So I leave that room. I go to the office. He goes, I don't like the way it looks. He goes, but it looks like stage three. I go, what? He goes, it's a proplastic tumor, meaning it's like a mushroom. He goes, usually tumors grow like a nub. He goes, and it spreads. He goes, yours grew a neck and the fucking thing just blossomed like a mushroom.

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I said, and he goes, I got most of it out and I did some biopsies around, but I'd like to see you in three months. I want to go back in. If not, we're going to have to cut you surgically and remove like eight inches of your intestine. Yeah. So that's a great way to fucking go home with this. So now I'm sweating the biopsy. He calls me and he goes, I was right. He goes, stage three.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So I go, what do we do? He goes, I want you to come in a little sooner than this. And I went in again, put me under. I was bleeding how much he was fucking biopsying me and whatever. But he kept pulling and pulling. He was right next to my appendix. And he was pulling and pulling. He goes, I pulled so much. He goes, you're bleeding. But I got it. He goes, we're going to biopsy those 30 pieces.

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Came back, gone. I mean, it's there, but it's malignant. He got it. Luckily, the way it grows, the blood is given the top of it. you know, to survive the blood. That was the cancerous part. It didn't go and start to spread yet because it usually goes that way. And that's what he was telling me. So he goes, I need you to come every three months, but I want to send you for radiation therapy.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I was just going to say, do you have to take chemo or anything after that? Yeah, they sent me. I went to this place in Jersey, St. Joseph's. It's a cancer place. And I went there alone, no ex-wife. She didn't come with me. My son was devastated because, you know, I had to tell my son because, you know, what do you do? You know, you got the apple of your eye here. You know what I'm saying?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I started making up my mind what I want. Already was building a reputation as a sort of like, you know, a guy that could back up his mouth. All the Italian kids that were picking on me when I was growing up, you know, all their fathers and uncles were somebody in the mob. And I remember, like, I remember... going in these basements, because up north, they have basements.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You got this new life. And I was just like, just, I was bewildered. I was shocked. I didn't know what the, I didn't know if I was going to live. And I didn't want my son seeing me wasting away from being this big fucking powerhouse to being a fucking, you know, right. You know, fucking AIDS patient. So, um, I don't know. It's, it's just really, I'm just holding it back. Um,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It was just really devastating for me. All right. And I went through six sessions of chemo. They would give me an injection. They would put this machine on me, kind of like a x-ray machine. And it would thump and whatever for like 15 minutes. And I had to put this, you know, the thing in my vein and started getting this metal taste after the second, third.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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By the fourth, I was like, that's all I tasted was metal. I didn't have a taste for food because everything tastes like tinfoil. Everything. Even if I wanted to, like, drink chocolate milk. Didn't taste like chocolate milk. Tasted like fucking metal and something thick, you know? And I went in for another colonoscopy. They did oncology tests. They said there's nothing in my bloodstream.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And some of the family, basically, they didn't like communists, the Tito dictator. They didn't like him. A couple of my uncles got in trouble for cursing him while they're drunk. So the cops would come into the house like the Gestapo and throw you in jail. Right. The other ones were just out of necessity because we were farm.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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There's no markers. There's no nothing. But I got to go. constantly every six to eight months to get another colonoscopy to make sure there's no polyps growing or whatever. And at the same time, I find out my ex is cheating. So I kind of flipped out. And I'm going to leave that at that because that kind of opened up a can of worms about my past and I kind of did some stupid shit.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Okay. Okay. Actually, 2013 is when it all started happening, 2014. It was just, I already confronted her in 2013. And I said, you know, I want you fucking out. I want you to get the fuck out of here. And she was begging me, like, you know, for my son, whatever. And I didn't want my kid growing up the way I grew up in a divorce house. And I said, look, I could forgive you, but I can't forget.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I said, but this motherfucker that you cheated, I'm going to put him in this fucking early retirement. I'm going to fucking take care of him. She's like, no, this, that, that, you know. And she said she was going to try. You don't forgive people when they do some shit like that. When they do you dirty like that, walk away. Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Because once they do it dirty and they see that they got away with it and you forgave them, they'll do it again. Little in six months, she was doing it again. Where I was putting spy gadgets in her car, microphones, key loggers. I was living just to catch her. And when I caught her, it was constantly just us bickering. And then she was...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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She was just yelling at me in front of my son and spitting on me. And I was just like, do I now beat the shit out of her in front of my kid? Then she tried to throw cases on me. She'd call the cops and be like, he hit me. She had a fucking mark here. And the cop was like, well, how the fuck is that mark from him hitting you? And I go, yo, that's a defensive wound.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Because I was grabbing her like this while she was clocking me in the face. Look at my face. And my son is right there. My son's going, yeah, my mommy hit my daddy. But the cops, motherfuckers, the next morning, they waited and they waited. I went to go take my son to school and they just stormed me. In this little town of 2,000 people, the whole police force for that town stormed me.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And the cop that arrested me was like, get against the fucking car. And I did. I didn't fucking resist. But the other cop was talking to my son and like literally going, your daddy's a bad man. He's going to go to fucking jail. How do you talk to a little fucking 9, 10-year-old like that? Right. I lost my shit.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So a two-story house, and then the basement. The basement was a summer kitchen, where that's where all the cooking went on in the house, and a big living room, everybody would hang out. Up on the first floor, the furniture was all in plastic, all like, you know, Louis XIV-looking, styly furniture, you know. And this is what I grew up with.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I just like, I don't know how I wrestled my hand away, jumped over the fucking hood, started jumping on this cop. They were pulling me off. They arrest me. I'm screaming. You don't know who the fuck I am. Like, you know, like, you know, meanwhile, the cops already Googling my name and he goes, your name keeps coming up, patch tattoos and this. And you ran with the Giannini crew.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You ran with this one. You ran with that one. How come you don't have an arrest record? I was like, my friend, good lawyers. And I'm like boasting. I'm sitting there in lockup boasting to this guy. And long story short, I spent some time in there. She didn't want to bail me the fuck out. And my son was begging and begging, days of begging. Please, mommy, take my money from the bank.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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We had a little account for him set up. And she was like, no, no, no. And he was begging. And I said, how could you make this fucking kid cry? Just bail me out. I'll go fucking Queens. I'll go live with my mom. So she bails me out. Now child welfare services get involved because we did this in front of our kid. Right. And we got them coming to the house saying, I can't be in the house.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I have to have a police escort in and out. So I go, okay, fine. So I go and grab my kid. The cop goes, no, the kid stays here. I said, fuck no. I said, kid goes with me. My ex goes, yeah, the kid has to go with him because that kid won't stay with me. I didn't raise him. She said that on record in front of fucking child welfare services.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So then we had to come to an agreement where we went to counseling. That didn't do fucking shit. It's beyond repairable now. It's just done.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, dude, it was two ships passing in and out saying, fuck you to each other. Like Pirates of the Caribbean. Fuck you, fuck you. Just passing each other. You know, I don't even like talking about it because it was such a fucking horrendous period. And my son hates his mother and hates all that shit that she did. I was trying to do an opposite and raise him a different way.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And it just looks like the ball rolled in that circle that I was raised in. I gave up. Let the bank take the fucking house. Didn't pay the mortgage. Didn't pay fucking jack shit. She tried to be friendly, which was bewildering to me. Like, hey, come give me a kiss to see the kid. I'm just like, yo, don't fucking come kiss me. God knows where your mouth has been.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And she's just like, well, I'm trying to be cordial in front of the kid. I go, you didn't think about that when you were spitting on me and yelling and saying I'm a fucking thief, I'm a bum, I'm a gangster. I said, you didn't think about that then, right? And she's just like... You know, whatever it was, I went back to Queens and she knew that when I was in Queens, she was powerless.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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She'd come by the house to see the kid. The kid wouldn't want to see her. You know, Marco, my son would just be like, I don't want to talk to mom. And I'd be like, you have to. And she'd be like getting all tizzy. And I'd be like, you know where you are, right? I was like, I make one phone call. It's done for you. And then one of my friends happened, this gangster drove by. He hates her.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And he drove by, and Johnny DeSantis, he drives by. My cell phone rings, and I'm like, hey, what's up, Johnny? And he's just like, was that your fucking ex-cunt? He's like, why is she talking to you in front of your fucking house? And I'm like, Johnny, I don't know. She wants to see the kid. Fuck her. She lost privileges to Marco. If I turn this fucking Corvette around, I'm like, okay.

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So you knew when these guys would come in there, wife beaters, and they'd go in there, and they'd dip, you know, the bread in the sauce, and they'd be They're like, oh, Venica, come here. You know, they give us like 20 bucks. Go get some candy. Get out of here. We knew what they were doing. They were having a meeting, you know.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know, that's how it was, you know? Right. So, you know, for that one year I was doing what I was doing, but I was, like I said, six months and I was just like, I have to get out of Dodge. I can't do this. And then we came here. I met a girl in the process, which I didn't want to meet nobody. I'm sitting in front of the school where I'm picking up my son.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Up there in Queens, yeah. And I'm talking to this other Serbian girl, Serbian gypsy girl, and here comes my, you know, my now girlfriend. She walks in front. I kind of like cock block her, you know, to talk to this other girl. And she goes, look at you. And I'm like, what do you fucking want, you know? And she's like, who the fuck do you think you are?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And I'm like, you don't know who the fuck I am? This one's going, he's pej, pej tattoos. Everybody knows him, you know? Fuck him. I was like, fuck you. And the next day, this girl goes, hey, she's interested in you. I was like, she was cursing me out. How the fuck is she interested in me, you know? And we started talking on the phone.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And it was one of those, we got on the phone, we couldn't get off. And she'd come by my house. She had a problem. She was still with her ex-husband. And I was like, you need to get rid of your man. I can't do that. I'm not a person to break up a marriage. You got to think about your kid first. I'm thinking about my kid.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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She just came around as a friend, came around as a friend, and she finally tried to get rid of him, and we hooked up. Kicking the ass is that I'm friends with her family. Like, me and her dad go back in the day. She's 36 years old, so she's way younger than me. So me and her dad go way back. So there's kind of an embarrassment coming into the house as now her boyfriend.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Because I'm the same age as her mom. So it's just kind of like a really awkward situation. But they accepted me. They're great people. And I'm with her. She stood by me all this time. She knows my past. She knows who I was and what I'm about. And she still knows that I'm capable of going to an extreme. Like if somebody touches my family, God forbid somebody touches my son. I'd go to prison.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That's a given. That's a given. You know what I mean? But I don't stick up for my friends no more like I used to. I've taken bullets for my friends. I've been shot. I've been stabbed. I got jigged over here with a bottle of Corona. I got stabbed in the back and the kidney. I mean, I got in crack with a bat in a bar fight. We get outside. This guy just pulls out a bat. I turn around. Bang, right?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So growing up, I started like bouncing around with these kids and go to their house. That's what I wanted to do. Rub elbows with these guys. And they heard like one guy, this guy, Tony goes, hey, kid, come here. I heard you laid out that guy, Michelangelo. You laid him out like cold. I was like, yeah, why? I go, I don't know. He's talking shit. Yeah. Is he going to do me a favor? I'm like, yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Split my wig. I just laid on the floor. I saw stars. I couldn't get up. And I just see the guy going to hit me again. And my friend just comes over. Boom! Shoots him right in the fucking shoulder. Guy goes down. I grab the bat. You want to fucking hit me with a motherfucking bat? You know? There's stories. I mean, I got tons of stories, but I'm saving a lot of my stories for my book.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But I gave you some really jisty stories. I mean, have you completed? No, I've always started to write. And it's like I've been reading up that when you want to write a book, you need to every day set aside. half an hour to one hour. You need to write regardless and you need to be relentless about this. And no matter what the ideas are, just jot them down, jot them down, jot them down.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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My girlfriend goes, why don't you do that chat, whatever AI thing?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And I said, because it's not going to sound like me. I'm going to tell it to write about me and give it a couple of stories. And it's going to make me out to be like some Harvard, you know,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Exactly. Punch has been pushing, and I was just like, you know what? When he heard my podcast, he goes, man, the stories you tell remind me of shit, and you planted the flag. He goes, did you read my book? I'm like, yeah, I read your book. I read it twice, back to back. Stealing Manhattan, awesome fucking book. Get your book now. But yeah, I mean, have you written an outline?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know, I've started. This is sounding worse and worse. I have a spiral notebook where I started doing it and I get sidetracked. I started doing themes for the podcast because I want to do a podcast with my son. I start writing ideas and I do these things where I do imitations. I do jokes. I get stuck on one imitation. I'll do it for like two weeks.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like I walked around the house like two months ago doing Bane. So we watched Dark Knight, and I'm just walking around the house going like, Gotham City. And then my son would be like, can you shut up? Now my new thing is, since this thing is going on in Israel, every time I hear Hezbollah, I go, Hezbollah. And it's just, I go through the house, and my son is just like, oh, this is annoying.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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To the point that everybody doesn't laugh anymore. They're just like, can you fucking bury it? So that's when I bury it, and I go work on my next imitation. So I was doing that, but I have about 300 pages that I did write. I just have to make sense of them because there's days where I write eloquent. My ideas come out so perfect. They're run-on sentences. I need to go over it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But then there's like quick story stalking to a guy, Mark Terragrossa. He was from my past. He did nine years. He was involved with this kind of thing with Frankie where, you know, they came to him while he was locked up and they said, hey, we're going to put you on this murder that you were there even though you weren't there. You knew about it like you premeditated it. You knew it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So we're going to throw that predicate on you and you're going to get hit with 20 years. He didn't even get a chance to finish his nine years. So he was just like, what do you want me to say? What exactly happened? He said what he had to say. They released him. Frankie gets pinched. So Mark went and did a podcast. And Mark was mentioning me. And he was saying some stories.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I literally forgot that I got high with Robert Downey Jr. Totally forgot. We were in the Hamptons. We drove up there, like four or five of us. And Robert Downey Jr. is a little VIP thing. And we're drinking and we're like, hey, can we take a picture with you? And he happens to notice that I'm doing this. He's like, hey. I'm like, yeah. He was like, do you have? I'm like, yeah, sure.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You want to take something from me down to Bushwick? I'm like, yeah, OK. I didn't ask. Boom, boom, boom. Got in the car and I went, you know, and that's how it started. Like from there, you know, I started boosting cars right after that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Let's go to the bathroom. Go to the bathroom. We made a deal that night. He goes, well, how much do you have? And I said, well, I have this much. He goes, oh, shit. You're going to be with me all night. So hanging out with him, getting high. He's got an open bar tab. He lets us go back to his house that he rented in the Hamptons.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He leaves at 11 o'clock in the morning because he's got to fly out to California. We're still in his freaking house. The guy's like, oh, you can stay as long as you want. I forgot that story because I was in a fucking high drunk stupor. Mark brings it up and I'm like, but yo, we have pictures of that. I remember now. Mark's like, yeah, we do have pictures. You have them.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'm like, where the fuck are they? He goes, you got to look. So I... Tore my house up looking through boxes of photos. I lost a lot of photos in Sandy in New Jersey. I got flooded. My basement got flooded. And I lost a lot of fucking precious fucking pictures. That's one of them. That would have been a great story. You know what I'm saying? Maybe even Robert would remember that. Because...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Bunch of wise guy kids from the neighborhood in the Hamptons. You know, this was when he had that little space between his teeth and all of that. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was the early 90s. Pickup artist.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Less than zero where he had to, you know. That was a disturbing movie. Yeah, so, I mean, I got a lot of stories. And I don't want to put, like, you know, reading Pavle's book, you know, Punch. he kind of left off the book where there's going to be a part two. You could feel it. The minute you end that book, you're like, ah, this book isn't done, you know?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So I don't want to do a part one, part two. I would rather do like we just did this, you know, I came to America and just write like each chapter for a part, like a little, whatever, five, six years. Because there's a lot of dark stuff that I didn't touch on that I still carry. Like, you know, I carry that stuff about my dad. I carry the stuff about my mom. You know, I was always alone.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know what I'm saying? So now that I got my son, my son is my best friend. He makes me a better person. He's always the one telling me, let the guy go. Don't fucking pull him over. Like, I know you'd kick his ass. Just let it go. It's not you anymore. And I got to do it. I mean, and I let it go, but... And old habits are hard to break.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And if I could break the habit of not being in a life, I could break the habit of not fucking knocking somebody off or looking at me the wrong way. You know what I mean? But it's a hard thing. But, you know, I'm looking to move up in this area as well. So getting out of like the Clearwater area is very busy. Up here, it's a little bit more.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So I'm going to come up this way and me and my girlfriend, maybe buy a place together for her daughter and my kids up here. Yeah, and the prices are dropping like crazy now. And a lot of New Yorkers are coming up this way, too.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I like it that you're not in that complex where you have that gate and you've got to come in. My friend lives in that complex. This is just open, which is good.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, but it's nice. I like it. I lived in that one little town in Jersey.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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uh and everything's brand new yeah that's what i like about it and if you buy something used it's like five years old yeah so like what's the big deal i bought my condo and my condo is like uh built in 2011. that's perfect it's fairly new i mean i updated the kitchen and the bathrooms i don't like the plastic tub walls and so i put typical new york or floor-to-ceiling tiles you know bullnose edge you know granite here this than that that's just what we do in new york you know but um well yeah

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, we pretty much covered everything. You know, I'm healthy. I'm cancer-free. I'm not in the life. I still keep in contact with a lot of people. Some people don't want to keep in contact with me because they're moving up in that life. Right. And I won't mention their names because they're active members in the mob.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And, you know, I don't want to fucking put any fucking radar signals, you know, with the feds on them and this and that. But yeah, my whole thing is like I started doing podcasts to kind of like lay this out, let people know that, you know, I didn't have a father figure. If you could stay in school, stay in school. If you could like try to tiptoe around the law the best you can, do it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Everybody's going to break the law a fucking little bit. You know what I mean? But yeah. Just try to stay out of fucking trouble. I mean, you did time. I never did any serious hard time, but I've paid for it in other fucking ways. I've pissed away so much money, and I was just thinking about it the other day.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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At a given time, a given year, I was blowing on a Thursday, Friday, and Saturday like $5,000 to $10,000 for the whole weekend just going out to titty bars, hanging out with guys, rubbing elbows, trying to make a connection. Six months of spending money to make one, two maybe fucking connections to have another connection for cars or for gold or for watches. It doesn't pay.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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The money comes and the money fucking flows through your... It's like having a basket that's weaved. You pick up the water, it just comes out. It doesn't stay.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I mean, look, I'm lucky. I'm at a point I had a lot of real estate. I lost everything. I liquidated a lot of shit. I got rid of everything. I had to give that one apartment building I had in Queens, I had to give half to my fucking ex. She didn't deserve it, but it is what it is. I can't sit there and say, well, I made it from illicit gains. So whatever. I gave her half.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Shame on her because that would have been my son's. It wouldn't have been mine. I would have kept it for my son, but it is what it is. I got a few watches out of the deal. I got some great stories. I got a fucking lot of ink. I got a great kid, and I'm good where I'm at now in life.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, no. My stories don't ever end like that, man. I'm sorry, man. My stories are real.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I appreciate it. It was a blast coming here.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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and you know typical you know he's a punk straight up punk you know i mean yeah he's got a little age on me or whatnot you know he's 70 something but at the time he was in his 60s i was in my 30s i i gave him an opportunity to step up he didn't step up he just kind of like back down you know i also found that he ended up being a rat you know and that's one thing that was against my principles when i found that out i was just

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I was, like, devastated, you know, because I started putting one-on-one together, and then that explains a lot of things, like, you know, how you held them in esteem anyway. Well, you know, it is... I didn't have a father figure. This was the only thing I had. It's just, he was in my life all those years. It was devastating to me when he planted coke on me. I told my mom, yeah, I smoke weed.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I sell a little weed. I go, mom, I don't do fucking coke. She didn't care. She just fucking told me to pack my shit and go. Sleeping on a couple of friends' couches for about a week, two weeks. And my mom came back. She said, oh, I made a big fucking mistake. She tried to juggle us. Like, I'd be in the apartment alone again, and she'd be by his place.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And it just, I don't know what ended up happening. I guess she got tired of getting, you know, beat and whatnot. And it was the next guy, you know, and then the next guy. And I don't blame my mom for making poor choices because her mom was a poor example of her mother. You know, my grandmother spent nine years in prison.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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We were peasants, you know, living on like farmland and, you know, taking care of the land or whatever. And my mom was barefoot and working in the field. She couldn't afford shoes, you know. So we came to America for a better life, you know. At least, you know, that's what my mom says. And my dad, you know, he was just happy the way he was.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'm not going to say for what, but she did something really nasty to somebody else with a knife. My mom kind of witnessed this back in the old country that that's it. They just take you and put you in, you know, a camp, a work camp. And they put her in a work camp. And nine years, my mom grew up without her mom.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And when she came out of prison, it was just guy to guy to guy to guy looking for, you know, a father figure because my grandfather died of tuberculosis when my mom was three. So, you know, it's like a circle of suffering that just keeps... You know what I mean? Like, it just, you know... I didn't think I'd be alive to be doing this podcast.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I didn't think I'd be alive and living in Florida because I fucking detested Florida. I come here on vacation and be like, it's fucking awesome. It's great to come on vacation, but the people here are fucking retarded. I just... I couldn't deal with it, you know? Nothing against you, but you know what I'm saying. It's just... When you're in that vacation mindset, it's phenomenal.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But once the vacation's over and you got to go back to the nitty gritty, it's just like, I like where I came from. Here is just like, it's a different world. But now that I'm here and I've adjusted, I literally became a Floridian now. There's no way I'm Floridian. I mean, I still got the New York in me. I still got that swag. But, um, you know, I am, I'm a Floridian, you know?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And yeah, you know, it took me it took me two years to get used to when I first came down because I'm used to the hustle bustle. I mean, I mean, I grew up where I, I know everybody, you know, like I went to school, I made my bones in the street. I know everybody. I knew everybody for everything. You know, I would drive down the block.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But you're also, I was going to say, you're also blocks away from everybody, right?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, I mean, you just walk out your house. It's like 10 guys pass by. Date, date, date. They start honking up on your page. How you doing? You got to have a car here. Oh, for real. You can't walk anywhere here. Like one time I had a, I forgot what it was. I went somewhere and I left my car. I think it was the mechanic shop. I left my car and I had to walk like four blocks.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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The longest four fucking blocks of my life, man. And then I had to cross, I had to cross a, My son was like, yo, dad, it's a highway. I'm like, no, it's not. It's fucking Sunset Point Road. It's a fucking three lane road. But my son sees all these cars and I'm like, dude, I go, you want to see what traffic is? Let's go back to New York. I'll take you back.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'll show you what traffic is, what a highway is. But yeah, I got used to it. It took a lot of...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah.

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Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Ex-Gangster Breaks Silence on His Insane Past | Da Panda

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I'm sure that thing would have took like half an hour to get through this.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. Like now I don't give a fuck about prison.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know what I mean? So what?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Creamy as I look, all about that flex Eat me like a snack, all these hoes want next Sittin' on my throne, flashin' like a king Rollie on the wrist, iced out panda ring Red and green, yeah, you know it's Gucci Bitches be so moist, drippin' from the Gucci Blinded diamonds, mixed in the bands Dollars all around me, everywhere I stand. Twerking on the stage. Damn, I love them strippers.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Just might throw a rack. That's how Panda tips her. Cash in the bagger. Louis Vuitton. Well, it's never dropped. Goes on and on. Love the club with green. It's a monsoon season. Keep throwing dollars. Never need a reason. Creamy, creamy, creamy. Damn, that Panda trending. I keep spending, spending. All your trends are pending. Brand new. Outro Music

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Celebrity Barber on Escaping Prison, Vic Blends & Success After Prison

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You've been in there the whole time.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. But you're 120, you're 17 year old. Who's 120 pounds. I mean, you know what I'm saying? Like, you don't want to, like, I would think it would still be a bad, well, it's, you got nothing but bad decisions.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You were a what? What'd you say?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Okay. I mean, uh, did you bond out or.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I was going to say, it's funny when you go to jail. I feel like when I went to prison, all the problems that you can't figure out while you're there, well, here's your whole group of guys that have the answers to them. It's like such a stupid place to throw somebody. So what, what was, so when you got out, you hooked up with the connect or did he just give you a number?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And what was this for? Was this for grass?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What, how, what kind of money are you making?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That seems like a lot to me. That's what, like a month?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That seems like a lot to me.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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For, what are you now, 20, 21? Yeah, 21. Okay, for a 21-year-old kid, 15 grand a month? I mean, that's...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Even if it was $100,000 a year, that's a lot of money for a kid. Because it's not like you're buying a Mercedes or something. You're probably buying a vehicle for $4,000 or $10,000 or something.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, see? You know what I'm saying? You don't have car payments. Kids don't live probably just a regular apartment or something. $100,000 a year, that's a lot of money to me. Yeah. It is in Florida. It's $100,000 a year in Florida. Today's a lot of money. I agree. And how long was this? This was 20 years ago, right?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So how long does this go on or does it escalate?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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How did that happen? Robbed them like with a gun or you just didn't pay them?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Did he know it was you? He had to know it was you.

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Right. So what, how does, do you get caught? Like, are you robbed? You robbed the guy. What is that? That's your connect.

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Did you know who it was when he robbed you or did you figure it out later?

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Did he see this coming? Did you just walk up and smash him or did you give him an opportunity to give you your stuff back or just was it just boom?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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How does a kidnapping charge?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Because you moved him or something?

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It sounds serious.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Is that 22 years?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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How, how, how long have you been locked up at that point?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Okay. So – and then they send you to prison? How long do you have to wait? A month or two before you get sent to a – well, this is all state, so you get sent to like a – you get sent – don't you – I don't know how all states are, but don't you go to – like a receiving station where they categorize you and then they shoot you off?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What does that mean? A barber, like a training program or like where you actually get a license or.

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What was the level three like?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Can I ask you a question? Yeah. Did you give them problems prior to this?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. Yeah, you come talk to us at Wilk, but you can't just handle it yourself. No. It caused a whole riot. Yeah. So how long were you there? Well, you've been going year to year to year, so you should be done.

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So you, they were just, your dad was just like, I'm, I'm done with it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You're almost at five right now.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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but they didn't have to let you out at five. You had to do five, but you could do more. You're losing gang time. Are you losing good time this whole time?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And that was because of the, no?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, there were some famous case in the feds where they kept a guy for an extra year or 18 months or something just by accident. They just missed it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Okay. Yeah. Well, when you got, but you, and you were released on parole, it was parole, basically like, like probation. Yeah.

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Yeah. I was going to say, I remember my dad had told me one time, he was like, if you go to jail, he said, don't call me. You don't want me to pick you up. Like it'd be, you'd be better off not calling. And I was lucky. I never went to jail, you know, at that point. So when I was a little kid, but that kind of terrified me a little bit. So yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Okay. Well, I'm saying what's the difference? Like I'm saying, I understand that they're called different things, but I'm saying, is it basically the same thing? Or on parole, do you have like an ankle monitor or are they watching? Do you have harsher... I don't think we've had anybody on parole. You know what I'm saying? Most of it's probation, probation. Like, is it harsher than being on paper?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What's the difference?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Between probation and parole.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Okay. It's like being kind of like the... That's how it is in the halfway house. Like... If you could do anything, they'd just be like, oh, they fill out a piece of paper and you're gone because you're still in BOP custody.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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If you're on paper, you can fuck up.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It's a whole process. And then they have to convince a judge to send you back.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, go ahead. Well, as I say, when you got out, what did you do for work? Did you go straight and try? Did you become a barber and try and do the barber thing immediately? Or did you have to did you get placed in a job or like how did you graduate?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Tell us how you really feel.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Hey, Okay. So real quick, how are you paying for this? Like you said, you got a loan. Is this like student loan?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Are you getting Pell Grants?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But that'll pay your, but the student loans, well, you're not going to live like a fucking king, but it'll pay your bills.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, I was going to say, if you already love doing it, then how did you not put together that, hey, this is something I can make a decent – I can make a legitimate legal limit and it's not – they're not broke. You know what I'm saying? Like, no offense, but – Every time I've ever gone for, I feel like I'm getting fucking robbed. It is, it's always like 25, 30 bucks.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And it's like 30 bucks and I'm gonna tip you.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I was going to say, the disparity between... the guys that are training and the guys that are winning, you know what I'm saying? Are, it's huge. Like the guys that are training to be those guys make nothing. This is the guys that are winning. Like there's such a, it's, we talked about this. Like, it's like being a comedian. Comedians are making 50 or a hundred bucks to go on stage there.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And they have to have a full-time day job to, to pay their rent. And then one day, boom, you're playing the arenas and you're making $200,000 every fucking show. But the, there's no, the difference is, Is vast. That's what I think of when I think of these guys. It's like football players that they train and they bust their ass forever to go and play with. They make nothing to play.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And then one day, boom, they're in the NFL.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Look at this right here.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I believed in myself. Show the camera.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Can you get a student loan?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Are you still in the same location or have you gone to a larger?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Do you have other barbers?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Work a lot harder opening up your own shop too, right? Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, I was going to say it makes me think that whenever, you know, you've heard people, oh, I want to open my own business. I don't want to. It's hard. You know what I'm saying? Like doing the doing the taxes, keeping the books because you're doing that. You're typically doing all that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And you're having to do you're working 50 hours a week and you're working another 30 hours a week, making sure all the, you know, the rent's paid, the electric, that everything's the licensing are up. The insurance is up. You're taking out payroll taxes. You're paying.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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keeping up with your taxes because if you don't keep up with your taxes then the end of the year you're basically you know going through hell for two weeks trying to scrape together all your all your crap like it's a it's a balancing act so if you're not working 40 i sometimes think to myself like how fucking cool would it be to just have like a w-2 job where you're just going in you know you're showing up at nine you're leaving at five you like you don't have to worry but

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, that's where I am now. Colby's got somebody, don't you?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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My wife found a family friend.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, I was going to say, I thought it was a family friend. I had to go through hell before we finally found a CPA.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, this is our second one. Oh, is it? Yeah, I had someone that just...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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yeah yeah yeah no we we found we found we had somebody was over i think overcharging us and didn't really know what was like we had to correct his numbers like hey like these numbers are way off like you're saying our income is double like we should know this much like yeah i basically had a bookkeeper who's she's kind of like and then we one time we went last year did i tell you this we went to h and r block because we were going to

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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go ahead and have H&R Block file the taxes. Like just, we're going to give them the numbers, but we have them all. Gave them the numbers. The woman came back and was like, you're getting, or she's like, oh my gosh, you're getting a refund of $300,000. And I went, I don't know if it was 300 or 600, whatever it was. It was outrageous. Like there is no way. I wouldn't take that. No, of course.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But I'm saying there's no way that this woman could possibly think that that I'm getting $300,000 back. Like nobody's getting $300,000. First of all, if I'm making, you know, $200 million a year, maybe I'm getting it and I overpaid, which you're not, and you're getting a check back. Like nobody's getting $300,000 back. Okay, that's not happening. You're paying in. And I'm like, what?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And she's like, oh, yeah, yes, you're getting $300,000 back. And I went, no, no, no, no, I'm paying in. I always pay in. First of all, I don't want $300,000 back. I don't want to go to jail. I can't explain that to the judge. Secondly, I owe $6 million, so I don't ever get anything back. So I know even if that went through, I know they just take it. But it's irrelevant.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I don't want it back because I know there's no possible way. And I'm sitting there. I'm arguing. She's like, oh, no, no, it's right. I'm like, lady, there's no way that I made this much money. And they're giving me back, you know, three or four times more than I made. And she's like, no, that's what. And she started to argue with me. And I'm like. I'm going to go to prison. Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Send me to prison. And then, then the bookkeeper looked over everything and she was off by a little bit on here and there in one or two places. She had messed up the numbers.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And then it came back. It's like, Oh no, you owe $3,500.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Thank God. Like I never been so happy in my life to pay.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know, and I pay quarterly. So it's like, you know, but yeah, it's, it takes a while, you know, to figure out everything.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, I just pay in a couple thousand dollars every quarter just so that I have something paid in. So that at the end of the year, when they say, Hey, you owe 12 grand, you're like, yeah, I got paid an eight. I owe, you know, four grand, like whatever, like, I don't want to be hit, you know? So I, and also if you don't pay in quarterly, then, you know, I pay monthly. Oh, I don't, I pay quarterly.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. I'm not there.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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How long have you been at that location?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. I was gonna say what happened during a COVID.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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are you able to talk about like some of the big names that people will hear you cut or.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I don't know. Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Now for fight night, are they going clean shaven?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. Um, so for a normal barber, what's the, what's your biggest piece of advice to make more money?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, it seems like everybody that's doing well now has some kind of an Instagram or YouTube or TikTok. Like they're combining it somehow.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Okay. Did you, what, how was it? Was it, was it harsh?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Do you think the result of the haircut or the personality cutting the haircut, which one do you think is more important? Because me personally, I found a barber. I like the cuts and I go there now because I know him and I just talk to him.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So for someone who's never been in prison or jail, how do they get haircuts in prison? Is there a barbershop room? Is it kind of like a hustle that you just do on the side? Or is it like here... here's the official jail clippers and you can do this for one hour a week or something.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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yeah there's usually at least one guy or two guys that are in the one razor in the unit that that are doing or or they would have in the feds they used to have the actual shavers right and so they're still around they don't sell them anymore at least not in the places i was the narokos but they still have but guys still have them you know and they'll boy then they're expensive but these guys will use them they'll go you'll walk in the you'll walk in the uh

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Or it depends on where you are. But if in the low, you'd walk in the bathroom there, the guy would have his chair there and you'd have.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It was probably four bucks, five bucks.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That was in the feds.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They would have the pictures up in the barber's shop at Coleman. They'd have like four pictures up that you could pick from. Nobody was going with any of those fucking photos. They all wanted something different.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Can you trust a bald barber?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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yeah but but it's you know the joke is he doesn't you can't have a the joke is you you don't don't trust a a bald barber because he doesn't respect your hair is that have you ever heard that i've heard similar things like that it's funny it's like i'm looking up i look every now and then i'm looking at videos about hair transplants and things like that and like some of these guys that are giving this advice are bald yeah that's what the comment section say anything

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. I was going to say, or a skinny chef lacking validity.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Did you have any overwhelming feedback from any of your other interviews in the comment section? As far as people pointing out or saying certain things?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And what are you posting on social media? Like if someone goes to Instagram, what are they going to see?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What are your thoughts on, um, Vic blends? Have you seen, seen that guy?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Who is that? He's probably like... He's real famous for sure. Real famous. He's probably 30 years old. Probably my age.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. He's cut famous people's hair. But he's white guy. He's tatted. And he'll be on the street cutting people's hair.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What's the difference between...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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white white hair black haircuts white white haircuts black haircuts and you know hispanic or whatever because i remember one time i went to a uh me and my buddies from college uh i was on a football team so you know 75 percent of my friends were all black in college and we all went to the barbershop our first summer there and it's a black barbershop they all got you know fades or whatever they got and then i sat in the chair and i told him yeah two on the sides just two on the sides just blended on the top and the barber sat there and he's like hmm

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He's like, you know what? I don't feel comfortable. He's like, I can't do this for you. So what is the difference between all the different races' haircuts?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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First of all, I don't know where you're getting these questions. And secondly, I don't know. I never, where are you guys seeing these videos?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I mean, yeah, I'm, I'm bro. I'm not hip at all. I don't know anything. I don't know anybody. I, And he's nothing to you because I'm saying he's not in your trust me.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, I'm saying to the other thing about like the haircut, like I never get the only videos I have of haircuts that have ever shown up on my thing is that there was a barber who was shaving this chick's hair who had cancer and then he shaves his hair.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Listen, I need a haircut. It's like I wait till I have to have a haircut before I go. You got great hair, dude.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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This is fake. This is from the back of my head. I've had two hair transplants.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I need one more. Are you serious, dude? Colby and I may be going to Turkey.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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We may be going to Turkey.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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How was the results?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Does he still have his liver? Because I was told by Julian Dory, who has a channel called Julian Dory. He said, if you go to Turkey, he goes, you're going to end up getting kidnapped and somebody's going to take your fucking liver.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, there you go. See, Julian.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Cauliflower here. So does that happen from one impact or just impact over time?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And, but it's only the one ear.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Both of you are having a fucking horrible, having a horrible time.

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Back to the bootcamp?

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Uh, and then they also said that was like a rat last resort.

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So the only option is theater or the bootleg unless you're going to wait a whole year. Because I feel like nowadays it's pretty available soon.

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How long, I guess, how much would you, what was your profit margin selling wholesale? And then, like, how long does it take them to burn a movie on the computer back then? Like half a day, a day?

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At this point, what's the income ratio? Is it like 50-50, like between Lowe's and the... Oh, nowhere near it.

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That's why.

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Are you leaving your contact info or website info on this trailer?

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God, what is that movie?

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How much were you making like a night selling those CDs?

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After you got out?

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Who would do that?

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Have you ever seen these?

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Yeah, my brother used to download some of them.

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You don't have the silhouettes of people getting up.

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Yeah. You just got like a plug of somebody in Atlanta?

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Okay.

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Is that, like, something that they can hold up legally? Like, you're banished? Like, you cannot...

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So there's no way to do counterfeit lotto tickets.

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Um, no, I didn't, I didn't have one question. So, um, so I think everybody had recognized the FBI warning at the beginning of those VHS tapes. So that never came about. Cause it says, you know what? $250,000, $250,000, five, five years in prison. Right.

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All right, though You ever try to record a movie by yourself? I

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Yeah, I've tried downloading videos to edit, and they transcribe to a different language.

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They have it dubbed.

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Now, with these DVDs, are you having to sell them before they get released? Or are they time sensitive? Like, hey, I got two months before this comes out in Walmart where people would rather just watch the original.

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Yeah, convicted in Detroit.

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So I have a quick question from someone, or if anybody doesn't really know. So are these guys started off as, were they rappers, music guys? Or are they just strictly crime? Initially, they're selling drugs.

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And so at the time, they were kind of like a big deal at the time too. People knew who were they – Oh, yeah. Right.

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This is kind of related. If someone's super wealthy and they're locked up for 10 years, could they pay somebody to do that third-party cooperation? Absolutely.

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And is that legal to do or not?

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How do you spell his last name? What's his last name?

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Okay. It is. I'm God, probably. Godfather of the night. Yeah.

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Your nose is broken, caved in probably. Your eye socket is probably broken and caved in. Your jaw, your missing teeth. There was one punch where it was right here. You're missing teeth. You've got at least a couple of teeth are caved in. And he's an old guy. He's a 65-year-old man. I'm saying the guy on Landman.

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So I'm saying having been in prison and seeing fights, I can tell you right now I saw a fight one time. And at the end of the fight, and it was like a minute and a half, and it went on forever.

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The guy had a bunch of dreads pulled out of his head. There was a tooth laying in a pool of blood. I mean, it was brutal.

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Brutal. And these guys beat, I mean, broken noses. I mean, their faces are rearranged. And to be honest with you, these were two guys that were probably in their 40s or 50s. You know what I'm saying? These were not like 25-year-old guys, 30-year-old guys. Like they should not have been fighting.

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Like you're not in a position, you know, they're in good shape, but for God's sakes, your body just doesn't hold up well. And you're at forties and fifties to be fist fighting.

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What's really funny about that is that whole fight started because in prison, you kind of have a space. This is where my chair sits. I watch TV. I've been here. This is my space. The other guy sat in his space and he said, Hey bro, I've been here. I've been in this, I've been here for 10 years. That's my space. The guy's like, all right, man, gets up and leaves. He's like, do me a favor, bro.

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Don't sit there again. This is my little piece of real estate. And the next day he comes in, the guy sitting, got his chair sitting in his space again. And he went, he looked, walked in and stopped. And I was there. Like I looked over because I'd seen the first, I just happened to have seen the first altercation. And the next day I happened to be there again, just by coincidence. Looked over.

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saw him walk in the door looks at the other guy looks where he is and goes walks upstairs goes to the broom closet gets a broomstick comes back downstairs walks up behind him and smashes him in the back of the head with the broomstick the guy just falls over boom hits the ground he's out yeah the other guy walks upstairs at the broomstick And about 10 seconds later, he comes to.

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He stumbles around a little bit. He realizes what happened. He goes up the stairs. And then the fight for the next minute and a half. They're screaming, pulling hair, knocking into shit, falling. Prison's not a... it's not a good environment to fight in because everything's made of steel and concrete. So anytime you stumble or hit something, like it doesn't move.

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You hang into a table, it doesn't move. Like anything you stumble into or hit, like you're hurt. It's a lot of pain.

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yeah yeah anyway i can only imagine if four guys jumped on a guy and really wanted to do some damage i mean you're he probably shouldn't have stood up like i don't know how you know so what do you what are you suggesting do you think it was choreographed or you think no no no no i don't know i don't think it's i don't think it's so i want to make that clear i did in my video like i'm not saying it's choreographed

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He's putting it on the show, which is not going to play well in front of a jury.

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And then whatever his buddy's going to say.

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They were never in danger.

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Yeah, I don't think he came out a nice guy. I don't think he went in a nice guy. I think he was always a fucking meathead.

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uh, probably turned him into a state jackass. And that's, you know, and now it's, it's taken on a life of its own. He's consumed, he's consumed by, you know, all of these things that he's acquired and he believed he's believed. Yeah. I was going to say it's connected to his identity. He's believed he believes his own press, which is always a mistake.

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Always your biggest downfall is when you do nothing but surround yourself by sycophants who do nothing to tell you you're wonderful. Like that's a major problem. Yeah. Yeah. So we'll it's funny. I've I always think about there was a guy I was locked up with. There's a lot of guys I was locked up with that were, I don't want to say serial killers because they were typically paid.

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They weren't killing because they had a compulsion. There was a guy who was literally, he got, I think, what did he get, like 30 years, 40 years?

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think about 40 years anyway and i mean he was uh he was a killer like he was killing for the uh for the cartel in colombia for the colombian cartel he'd been locked up a while that's how old it was right how old he was but he'd murdered and he was in multiple books like there were multiple books where they were talking where they would talk about him he eventually gets caught He gets 40 years.

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He cooperates. He gets 40 years. That was the best deal he was going to get was 40 years for cooperating. You bring down 30 guys and you still get 40 years. I forget what it was, 15, 20 people. He was... He was a Colombian. He's always loud, but he was, you know, you would never know it. You would never know it talking to him, you know?

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And then I remember there was another guy, we called him, they called him Old Man, I think it was Old Man Jim. Anyway, and I remember one time we used to, I painted when I first got locked up and I was in the painting room. And he would talk to me, nice guy, I'd help him carry stuff. You know, he's in his late 60s, very quiet.

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And he was placing paintings behind paintings and putting them up on the lockers, right? And he'd been told not to do that several times by the correctional officer, the CO.

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and so finally the ceo comes in this female ceo comes in and she starts yelling at him and she's like jim what did i tell you i told you last time if you did that and she starts screaming at him in front of everybody and he looked at her and all of a sudden he just goes And he starts laughing and he's trying not to laugh. She goes, what's so funny? He goes, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

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He said, you're right. You're right. Yeah. He said, I'll get it down. I'll put it in the workshop. I'm sorry. I'm going to be mailing it out. It won't be here next week. And she was like, oh, okay. So when I was helping him carry some stuff later that day and we're walking, I said, Jim, I said, keep in mind, I'll tell you. So Jim was a,

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very very scared you know he'd murdered probably probably 10 people yeah i remember he specifically murdered about five people that were actual witnesses against him in a crime so we're walking and i go i said when you know whatever lieutenant so-and-so is yelling i said why did you start laughing

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And he goes, it dawned on me, he said, that if we were on the outside, I'd have cut that bitch's head off, stuck her head in the trunk of my car and driven around with it for a week till it started smelling. He said, but I'm in prison now and I have to just listen to her and take it. He goes, and it just struck me as funny. And I just thought, and he was like, his life's funny. And I thought,

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he's not joking he's not joking and he was nicest guy you'd never think and the only reason i even knew why he was locked up because he was actually locked up for like a drug conspiracy yeah and i used to one of my buddies was like you like jim huh i was like yeah he's cool i like jim he's a nice guy and he goes yeah he goes he is he said but You know why he's here, right? And I went, for drugs.

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He said, yeah, yeah. He said, do you understand? He said, but you have to understand, Matt. He said, Jim went to trial or was going to trial in the state back in the late 70s. I said, okay, back in the late seventies, you could, it was very easy to get out of a, like a county jail. There was lots of programs. It wasn't a lot of security.

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He said, you know, he said in the late seventies, he was going to go to go to trial. And I went, okay. He said, you know, he was a member of a biker gang and stuff. And he goes, and he had murdered someone and there were witnesses. And I was like, okay. He said, so he waited until about 10 days before his trial. when you get the witness list.

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And he said, once his lawyer gave him the witness list, two days later, he escaped. He said, so a year later, he comes back to the jail and says, Hey, my name is Jim so-and-so. He said, uh, um, You guys are looking for me. And they ran him. They're like, oh, my God. Yeah, you're escaped. And they put cuffs on him and they bring him into jail. They process him.

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And his lawyer shows up a week later and says he says, I'm ready to go to trial. And they go, oh, OK. It was going to take a month or two. OK. So, you know, because they have to start over. Well, they find one of the witnesses was shot three times. Another witness had disappeared completely. Another one, he tied her to... And this isn't men. These are like three women, two men.

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He tied to a tree, cut her throat in the woods. Another one, like all five witnesses are either missing or deceased.

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And he knew... So he escaped. It took him a year to track them all down and kill him. And then he goes back to jail and says, I'm ready to go to trial. They held him for another five or six months trying to put something together. They eventually had to drop the charges. He walks out of jail.

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The feds come in, and like a year later, they grab him because the federal government can pretty much grab you for anything. They put together a drug case he was involved in. He gets arrested. 20 years in the feds and whatever the point or no, I think it was like 30 years or something. But the point is, is like, this guy was the nicest guy you'd ever meet. He was, he was truly dangerous.

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And I've had friends that you're, I'm sitting here eating. I'm eating at the medium with three murderers and all of them, not like accused, like they've murdered people.

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nicest guys they'll lend you hey you know you just got here let me get i'll give you some shower slides and hey bro uh you know yeah cox you got no no problem uh hey i'll i'll talk to so and so for you and see if i can get that taken care of i mean just nice guys but the truth is they were truly truly dangerous and they didn't have to pretend yeah i don't have to scream and holler and tell you what a badass i am because the truth is i'm extremely dangerous right yeah

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So that's, you know, and I'm not saying Wes Watson wouldn't beat my ass like a small child. I'm just saying in general, he's a lot of bolstering.

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If it had been a fair fight, he wouldn't have fought.

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There are guys you get into a fight in prison. Guys will test you. And honestly, they don't care if you win the fight as long as you're willing to fight. That's what they're concerned with. They'll know, like, you know, the guy's not going to win. But I want to know if he'll fight. That's their concern.

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So what do you think happens? I mean, I know you're in Canada, so you don't really know the states.

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Did he get arrested? Were there charges?

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Yeah, he's been in trouble multiple times. He's a career criminal.

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Yeah, I'm sure he's off. Like typically, and there are exceptions, but typically you have like five years pay. Well, it depends. Typically, there's like two years, three years, and five years of probation. I don't know what it is in California. I'm assuming he got out and he had some kind of supervised release, like a probationary period. But he's been out for at least five years.

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So he's off of that. He's not on probation. I don't think he'll get probation for... an assault charge. If the guy hadn't, if it had just been a, an argument in the gym and these guys had attacked him, it'd be different. In fact, the guy went down there. He certainly can. He certainly contributed to it, but, but Wes doesn't get to walk away.

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Cause it's no long, it's not really, it's a, the very least it's an assault charge. Right. Yeah. It's a violent crime. And in Florida, they don't, they don't, they're not fans of violent crimes. Yeah. You know, once you're charged, it's like, you can get it. You've got some leeway. But once you're charged, it's a problem.

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So, you know, he could probably do a few years, but then again, you know, he's got money. He could try and go to trial. Yeah, I can't imagine him go to trial because all they really have to do is show his videos and how he behaves. And I don't see anybody on the jury being okay with his behavior. I mean, yeah.

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Anybody in the jury that sees the way West behaves, thinks to themselves, I would be okay with him being my neighbor.

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Oh, I'm sure. It helps contribute to the environment that he was creating. Come down here. You got a fucking problem? Come down here. And they're like, look, this is who this person is.

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He's already.

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If he's, if Wes is smart, he tries to get his lawyer to go to the kid or go to the guy and pay, you know, and whatever, give him 50 grand or something, you know, a hundred grand to not to press charges or to kind of, you know, whatever. Huh?

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He says he's got tons of money.

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insurance would be or for a hospital visit plus stitches plus whatever you'd have five grand it's probably five grand it's you know they stitched him up and like he didn't stay overnight or anything i don't think but you know let's say it's five grand it doesn't the five grand is irrelevant i mean you know obviously

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You know, I'm thinking he's if I'm saying if Wes is smart, he tries to get this guy to take one hundred thousand dollars and Wes ends up pleading guilty and doing three years, you know, on probation. That would be the best kind of deal he could possibly get.

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Yeah. No, you could do that. You could make that argument. But let's say, you know, or maybe maybe Wes ends up getting a year. See, if the kid's smart.

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west takes the charge then he sues him because now he's admitted he's done something right yeah he's gone and allocated he said look i was wrong i pled guilty to an assault charge i'm now on probation now guess what we're now we're going to go to trial what is your defense going to be at trial that you you weren't wrong right you've already pled guilty yeah i'm sure i'm sure like i don't know if this you know like i don't know what your lawyer caused like

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Dan, your ground has disappeared at this point. Once you're charged, it's a problem. He could do a few years. So the whole thing kind of started with that the trolls were getting the better of him.

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No, but lawyers would be lined up. All they got to do is go on Wes's channel and look at all of his stuff.

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Right.

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It drops the charges and the state doesn't pick up the charges. I don't think the state would pick up the charges, but, but you know, they'll, they'll pick up the charges in some instances like domestic violence or something.

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You can get to that point where the, where the cops show up a couple of times and then the wife drops the charges or the girlfriend says, no, I don't want to press charges. Well, after once or twice, then the cop, the state will just pick it up and say, no, no, no.

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But you guys fighting and how that worked out. I don't know. They got it's such a slam dunk case. You have to think that's a dream case. I have all the evidence right here. This guy is going to he's going to take a plea because if he goes to trial, he can't possibly go to trial. He certainly can't get on. He certainly can't get on the stand and defend himself.

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Because that brings up all these videos and it brings up all of your past arrests. Like you've been in prison before for doing this, haven't you? You've been on probation before. This is just who you are. You're an absolute menace. Yeah.

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You know, so I'm trying to look and see like all I see so far is Instagram and YouTube videos like there's no I don't see any news reports that say he's been charged. I know he's been I know that there's a thing that talks about an arrest report. Did you see that one? There's one guy who reads like that.

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So I wonder why there's been no news.

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Yeah. So I guess what is it? The gym, the gym owner. Yeah. Basically said or kicked him out. Did he? Somebody, I had seen that somewhere where the gym owner was basically like, yeah, you're not coming back here. Like he's cause the, the kid's probably going to sue the gym owner. Yeah. You know, you're going to throw that in there to try and get ahold of his, um,

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Yeah. I watched your interview, your breakdown of the Wes Watson thing.

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You know, I've been a huge fan of his for years. So I don't know if you've ever I'm sure you haven't watched any of the videos, but my buddy and I, we've like. you know, just mock him, you know, because, because both of us had been like, I was in a media, a federal prison that was a medium security prison. And I was only there for about three years.

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The rest of my time I did about nine years in a, in a low security prison, you know, not that things don't happen there, but it's not obviously probably more fights in the low. They're just less violent. And, and, And then my buddy has actually been in, I want to say he's been in two pens.

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And, you know, and I look, I've interviewed enough guys and known enough guys and met enough guys that have been in pens. And all of them are just like, yeah, you know, you just don't behave like this in a penitentiary. I mean, nobody's going to allow you to behave like this. And I think we had talked about this as far as Wes is concerned.

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that you know when he first came out he was he was actually a little more mellow you know and he seemed like he had some some good advice he's just gone it's i guess money or freedom or something has just you know it's just amplified all of the the negative stuff that he has to say and and and then and it's getting worse and worse and you know you know how it is once you start

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I, well, as far as crime is concerned, once you start getting away with things, you become emboldened by it and you keep that envelope. And before you know it, you know, you get slapped back down or arrested or, and I think everything, I think for certain personality types, everything is like that. You keep pushing that envelope.

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And apparently it didn't go well for, it's really been kind of falling apart for a while now. Yeah.

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What are your what are your thoughts on that?

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fairly easily it was always like an unraveling of a month's work from just you know you know first of all when he first came out like i did i did several a buddy of mine named uh zach we did several videos where we were like we just watched him and you know they were just reaction videos and just you know kind of laughed and joked about it his behavior and

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And boy, let me tell you, his fans like came out of nowhere. You know, they just, you know, you simp, you this, you that. It's like, okay, well, you know, first of all, none of that's true. You know what I'm saying? You see what I'm saying? It's like, you know, they say, like you said, they're trolls. They're saying anything.

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Get a reaction. And it's funny because when you say like that they have, you know, they have their place. My editor, his name is Colby. like let's say I have an interview with somebody and in the middle of the interview, I'm like, wow, man, that reminds me of the movie, whatever. And then the guy will say, what movie is that? And I'll be like, oh, you've never seen that?

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And then I give him a quick rundown of the movie. Colby will take that clip and he'll clip it. So it really sounds like I'm saying I robbed three banks. I ran over and I did this and this. And then he'll release that video knowing that, that it sounds like I'm telling someone else's story as my own.

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And those videos do better than any video where I'm just telling my story because the comment section goes nuts. This guy's lying. That's the, that's the, the theme to the, to the movie heat. He never did that. Everything this guy says is a lie. Other guys are saying, no, you don't understand. He's explaining this. This is Matt Fox. He's, he did this. And so they'll go back and forth.

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And that video, that little tick tock or short will end up getting 6 million views.

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Right. If it had been something else might get,

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50 000 views and so he has no problem doing that so the the interaction with some of these trolls you know i could see interacting with them or feeding into that them to get the interaction to push the videos but i don't think that's what he's doing no i think it's getting under his skin yeah oh yeah yeah and his whole story since he came out about five years ago

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has slowly, I mean, initially the story, it's a good story. It's an interesting story. This is what happened. And really a big part of West's story was that he went to prison and he kind of got enlightened and he changed his life and he was going to live his life in a different way.

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And obviously that spun off into something, you know, disturbing, let's say, almost sinister, where I can't tell you how many guys have contacted me and told me, Bro, I paid to talk to Wes Watson and I sent him whatever it was. I forget the amount. It was like 500 bucks. And I was supposed to talk to him for whatever, 30 minutes. And the guy got on the phone with me.

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He called me a bitch four times and hung up on me twice and then stopped answering the phone and took my money. And these guys are like, they're like, this guy, this is a complete scam. And then, so that's been happening for a while. And then he's becoming more and more animated, more and more derogatory towards other people.

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And then his story a couple of years ago started falling apart where it was – You know, you weren't you didn't do 10 years. You did like seven. You didn't do it in this facility. You were in this facility. You weren't a shot caller. You know, you didn't behave like this in prison. The guys that were locked up with you said you were extremely quiet.

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You know, there were all of these things that came out that wasn't being honest about. And here's the part that bothers me about that. Because look, I was locked up 13 years and I've been locked up with pathological liars. I'm not saying he's a pathological liar. I'm just saying that he's embellished his story. So, you know, and listen, everybody does it. I'll give you an example.

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For a while, I, you know, so I didn't do 13 years. I did like 12 years and eight months. What am I going to do? I'm going to say 12 years and eight months every single time somebody says, so I say, you know, so I wound up, you know, of course people say that I don't sit there and say, I say, oh yeah, yeah. I went to, I went to prison for bank fraud.

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Well, you know, the truth is I could list, you want me to list eight, the eight frauds that I say, yeah, yeah, it was bank fraud. It was, and bank fraud related, you know, because I don't want to have to mention all the other charges. So I can see doing that, but he didn't have to manufacture and embellish his story. Right. Seven years is a long time to go to prison. Right.

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What you went to prison for was a violent crime.

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You know, what you were doing was, you know, selling drugs, collecting for drug or for drug deaths, that sort of thing. Like you're not you're not lying about your crime. You may be lying about the money you were making because other people of course have come out and said that he was not making a lot of money.

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He was kind of a drug addict and you know, whatever he was living, he was sleeping on people's couches. Of course he says, Oh, I was a millionaire before I went to prison. Like, come on, stop. That's not true. But, but what bothers me is like, you didn't have to embellish your story. You have a solid story and you were building a solid, I mean a solid future when you got out of prison initially.

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And it went off the rails and you became a complete, you know, nut job. And you started just insulting every single person. And you started, you know, you started bullying people and running kind of like running scams.

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And, you know, you're spending all this money. It's funny because some of his initial things that he said when he got out of prison, the things he does now, let me put it this way. Like, he's never owned a business. So people will take him, they'll pay him for like business coaching.

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For what? You've never owned a successful business. That's like, and listen, I've owned a construction company, a development company, a real estate company, and a mortgage company. And if you came to me and said, Matt, man, you've owned all these companies. You were super successful. I'd like to pay you. I'm not going to take your money because all the businesses that I own are

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were based on fraud of some type. Every one of them contains some type of fraud. Now I'm not saying I can't do the books. I can keep the books. I can tell you where to spend your money. I can do those types of things, but I'm not gonna do that because it comes from a place where of course my businesses were successful. They were based on fraud. Fraud was my go-to.

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They were always going to be successful. And I don't feel confident enough to give you advice and have you invest your money in me and the things that I say, because I can't say I've run a successful business, you know, unless you consider YouTube, but that's since I got out, you know, without it being, you know, based on some type of fraud. And so that's not right.

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So for this guy to get out and be giving people business advice, like what are you doing? You're a drug dealer.

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And apparently not a great drug dealer, not even a great criminal. And he's just gone. The more money he gets, you're renting a house. You're renting a vehicle. You're spending tons of fucking money. The stuff that it is an ego out of control. Luckily or unluckily, we have YouTube and we're getting to watch it. you know, unravel.

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But I'm telling you right now, listen, years ago, you can watch my videos. We were talking back then talking about how it was going to unravel. There was no way he could continue to behave like this and not have it catch up to you.

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I saw one video where Wes, the cops show up at the house. They they get out, come out of the house, put your hands up. He's like, no, no, no. He said, I've been I was swatted. I didn't call. I didn't. And then the cops were like, get out, turn around. He's like, yeah, you don't have to do all this. He goes, I was swatted because you guys came here last week. I got swatted last week. Yeah.

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Right. I was gonna say like, I was living a lie before prison, living a lie. And I listen, I'll tell you something. This is what a buddy of mine told me one time. I always like to say, that I think he stole it from Einstein. But he says he didn't. He gets upset when I say it. So and it was that you cannot go to prison. And this is really one of the things that really kind of made it click for me.

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So it's like, that's twice. And listen, he's yelling at the cops and, you know, of course he turns around and they cuffs up. He does everything he's supposed to do, but still same thing. Like they're, they're, they're definitely ruthless.

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And he said, you cannot go to prison and continue to behave in the manner that got you to prison and then leave prison and not expect to come back. And that's the whole thing is that and for example, for me, like I left prison extremely humbled. And I think that's what happened with Wes. That's why when he first came out, he was reasonable. You know what I'm saying? He was reasonable.

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You know, he was still kind of a kind of an act that did the tough guy thing, which is kind of a jackass move. But maybe he's just that's just who he is. I don't know. But. I think he had been humbled and I think he was probably in a much better frame of mind. And I know I was when I first got out of prison.

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And, you know, I was just super happy just to be able to watch YouTube, just be able to turn the channel, just be like, I moved into, I stayed in the halfway house for seven months. I lived in a, I lived in a rooming house in a room for, I rented a room for this from someone for 18 months. The first car I had, I remember I had to go to Miami two, three months when I got out of prison.

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I had to borrow my mother's car because the vehicle I had was not going to make it to Miami. That's how bad it was. It's like, ooh, this is dicey. Don't want to be halfway there. I had to borrow my mommy's car.

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I had no problem. Like, guys were like, oh, hey, did you make it okay? I'm like, yeah, yeah, I borrowed my mom's car. You know, I was worried. They were like, I know you're worried about your car. Yeah, I borrowed my mom's car. Like, I'm not, I'm not ashamed.

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I mean, is it embarrassing? You know, maybe it is, but you know what? I've been so humbled. I'm not, and I'm not concerned with your opinion of me. Your opinion of me means nothing. You know, my opinion of me, and there's maybe one or two other people in my life that their opinion means something to me. And other than that, that's it.

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So, I ended up buying another car, kept it for about... I had that car for about two years. And when I moved into the place I am now, and I do YouTube out of here, I'd been doing YouTube for six or eight months. And one day I realized... And I had a brand new car, by the way. And I was thrilled with this car. It was brand new. You know, it was like, wow. It wasn't a great car.

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It was like a, what was it? Oh gosh, I can't even remember. It was a Jeep Sport something. I mean, really like a chick's Jeep, you know? But anyway, I was driving it and it had a little screen in it and it had a warranty. It was brand new and I was excited.

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And after I'd had it maybe a year, almost probably two years, let's say, and I moved in here, I've been in this place for about eight months, nine months. It dawned on me one day that I had driven my car once in the last month. Because I wake up in the morning and my wife takes us to go work out at LA Fitness. And my wife drives us back.

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And when we would go somewhere, typically like sometimes she would drive, right? Or maybe I'd take my vehicle and we'd go somewhere to go to dinner and come back. But that wasn't happening a lot, right? Like I'm trying to get on my feet. I'm not like making a bunch of money. And then I remember when I thought to myself, I haven't driven my vehicle but one time in the last month.

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And then the last month I drove it maybe three times. And the times that I drove were like to go pick up dry cleaning or go to the store to get creamer. I didn't need to do that. I could have just called my wife and said, hey, when you come home, can you pick up creamer? I don't need this vehicle and I'm paying $700 a month. with insurance and everything else.

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And I remember I, she came home one day and I went, listen, I'm going to, I'm going to trade my car in. And she goes, why? I said, well, I was just thinking about this. Like I'm, I don't go anywhere and I'm paying $700 a month and I could Uber 10 or 20 times and not come up with 700 bucks because everything's right around here.

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And I went, if I really have to go somewhere, then I'll just take your car. And she goes, yeah, if you want to do that, that's fine. I haven't had a car in over a year. Wes Watson cannot imagine not having a vehicle. When I tell people, when I show up somewhere in an Uber or something and I go to dinner with someone and I walk out and I call my, oh, I'm waiting for my Uber.

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They go, you know, what's up with your car? And I go, oh, I don't have a car. And they're like, well, I mean, why, what's up with that? And I'm like, I just don't need one. I never drive one. So I just Uber. And they, people look at you like, yeah, like, Cause people are, they're tied to that kind of thing. That's like a representation of them and it's super important to them.

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And I think when I went to prison, it broke me all the way down and I kind of was able to rebuild my psyche the way I wanted to live. And that's tough because there have been times, listen, I am an arrogant, cocky, narcissistic prick. It is a struggle for me not to do the whole, look at me, look at me, look at me.

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And so every once in a while, luckily I have my wife with me, and every once in a while I'll meet a fan or something. They'll be like, oh my God, bro, I watch all your stuff. You're amazing. And I'll be like, amazing. Did you hear that? He said amazing. She'll be like, you're not all that. You know what I'm saying? Well, I'm lucky. Wes obviously doesn't have anybody in his life like that.

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You have to have somebody to, you know, to yank the reins.

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He's canceling himself out. He's...

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I think, yeah, I was going to say, it's funny. I remember I had a buddy who was a real estate agent. He was going to buy a new car and he was in new real estate. And he was like, yeah, what do you think I should get? And I went, well, I need to get something with four doors. And he was like, why? I said, well, because you're going to be driving clients around in it. But he was 25 years old.

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know what i'm saying this is what this is 20 years ago 25 years old he comes back with like you know like a like a nissan this is back in like the 350s had come out like he comes out like a two c i'm like what do you do well just tell them to follow me and i'm like what You know what I'm saying? Like, like use your, use your head, bro. You know, anybody, you know, he's a kid, he's a child.

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And so I can see having nice, I would have a nice vehicle, but see, to me, a nice vehicle is not something that's $200,000. It's a vehicle that's, you know, 50, 60,000, maybe a hundred thousand. Well, not, not even that, but. Something that if I had to drive clients around or I'm bringing my – you know what I'm saying?

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I just wouldn't spend – I just can't imagine spending the kind of money that this guy spends. It wouldn't matter if I had it or not. I wouldn't spend it. Just like you had said, I've known lots of guys that were multimillionaires. So I used to do real estate. And I would borrow money from hard money lenders. So you have a hard money lender meet you at the house, right?

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Like let's say I want to go buy a house for $100,000 because I'm going to renovate it and I'm going to try and sell it for two or 300,000. You have a hard money guy come there and he looks at the house. These guys, are lending, they have credit lines worth two or $3 million. They have four or $5 million in the bank.

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They're living in a house that, and keep in mind, this is 20 years ago, they got a house that's $3 million. They're showing up in a 10 year old Volvo. And they're in blue jeans and a t-shirt, or maybe an eyes on they've had for five years. And they get out and you're like, this guy doesn't look like he's got Two pennies to rub together. This guy's worth millions.

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And they're always super humble and, hey, what are you doing? What are your plans here? They're not jerk-offs. They're not screaming and hollering, screaming, look at me, look at me. What are you driving? Oh, you're driving that piece of shit. Bro, I'm driving a Bugatti, bro. The tire on my Bugatti costs what your car. Bro, you're trying so hard to prove. Yeah. Yeah.

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It's like you're going broke, proving to everyone you have money. It's just silliness. And it's so insecure that this is how you behave. You saw him on that, the Fresh and Fit.

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I would say I'm probably 80% on board with those guys. But the 20, the problem is I feel like 20% of, you know what I'm saying? Like, like, yeah, I'm okay with the, you know, act like a guy, act like a man, wake up early. Work out, work, provide. That's 80% of what they're saying. The problem is they take it too far.

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A bully. Now you take it to a point and then you start becoming a bully. And that's not acceptable. Now you're degrading. You start to the point where you degrade people. But now you've gone too far. It was one of the things that... dude, the Andrew Tate thing where he started saying, you know, the, you should be able to have as many wives as you want. You should be like,

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Listen, bro, stop, stop, stop. The culture that you live in, the Western culture that you live in, it's what built this country, your country. Western society is based on Christian values. And you're talking about you don't need to get married. You have as many wives as you want. They do what you say. They're your property. It's like, oh, listen, bro, it's too much. You've gone too far.

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Find a wife, be happy, have children, work hard, provide for your family. And that's really the recipe to a successful, you know, be faithful. That's successful for that. That is the recipe for a successful life. Treat people how you want to be treated. Like this is the same stuff that your father told you.

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yeah yeah this is you know but the other stuff that standing on stage calling this guy you know having tits and fat and he's disgusting you're not rich if if you don't make this is something that um oh gosh what's his name uh um graham not graham uh i forget his name anyway gosh that's right i can picture his face too it makes me want to punch him um wait dude No, he's a real estate investor.

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He got on stage and he was yelling. First of all, people are paying $2,000, $3,000 to see you. Some are paying $10,000. Some are paying $15,000, $20,000, $30,000 to come see you. And the guys in the back, he's calling losers. Did I just pay five grand for you to call me a loser? And then he has this thing where he says, if you're not making 400,000 plus a year, you should be ashamed of yourself.

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You're a loser. So you just called the guy that stocks the shelves at the grocery store a loser. You just called your butcher a loser. You just called fast food workers. They're all losers. The guy that sells you your car is a loser. The mechanic that keeps this, the people that keep this country running. Yeah. 90, 90% of the country. You just called losers.

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I mean, you know, you're just a scumbag, bro. Like that's just a scumbag thing to say. And not just that your values may be off. Some guys, they don't, I'm not saying they turned down 400,000. Some guys, they make up 50 or a hundred thousand a year. They teach their little kids basketball or, you know, they're the T-ball and basketball.

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And they're married and they get to have dinner with their family every night. And that's what they wanted out of life. So your values are different than their values. Right, right. You're saying they have to have your values or they're a loser. Like, come on.

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No way, bro. I'm way older than you. I'm 100. I'm 55 years old.

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And you're black. You got the black skin. You got the good skin.

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I think the guy that really resonates with me is Jordan Peterson.

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Yeah, I don't have to like everything that taught you to like somebody.

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They're not going to bring it on yourself.

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Well, when I heard these, when I heard these prison stories, I was just like, so, you know, yeah. The more he talked, the more I was like, no,

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i'm i was gonna say i'm actually doing a video tomorrow with a guy who has a whole conspiracy theory based on the wild or the fires in l.a i mean you know because there's all these theory and it's so funny because i remember thinking like i'm kind of listening to the theories i'm like oh come on and then and then gavin newson comes on and is already talking about rebuild like they're still burning yeah

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You're talking about, yeah, we've got a whole new plan. We're going to do this. We've been talking to... It's like, bro, people are still... They're still finding bodies. What are you talking about? He's in front of a bunch of burning buildings and he's all smiling. What are you doing, bro? Your whole city is burned down because you're an idiot.

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Yeah. I'm not sure how that's possible, but yeah, I hear you. It's possible. We'll see. We'll see. It'd be an interesting year. Yeah. Yeah. Listen, hopefully people just keep watching YouTube. I just need people to watch myself.

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Our numbers were down partially. It started in November and December, but we considered that as a result of the election because everybody was focusing. They were consuming political content. And then, of course, afterwards, it was the aftermath. And now this month, it's the same thing. It's just more of the same because now it's all the predictions of what Trump's doing.

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Every other day, he's making some new decision and saying something new that is causing people to go, The left is going, ah, it's chaos. And the right's going, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, so it's once again, it's just more. So, you know, I was talking to Colby and we were hoping all of our we're hoping all of our numbers once he takes office.

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We're like, well, once he takes office, we're hoping I'm thinking once he takes office, then it's probably even more of the same. So it may be another. I was thinking, yeah, once he takes office, it'll be February will be better. But the truth is, I'm thinking maybe March or April, like we probably have a few bad months ahead of us.

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Yeah, that's kind of why we're focusing more on trending topics.

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We're going to try and do more trending topics like this. Right. Yeah. I personally don't think like, I don't know enough about the West Watson thing. Isn't enough. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's not enough, but it's not like engrossing because it's been done. And then it's hard because you can't show the video. And it's a, it's a, it's a timing thing.

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If he gets, when he gets charged and suddenly there's a bunch of articles, that's a whole nother wave of West.

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Well, we'll, we'll see what, we'll see what he does with this. We'll see what happens over the next year.

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So what is the name of your channel?

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Okay. Yeah.

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Well, and if you're in Canada, you can't monetize it.

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So stupid shit, man. Hey, you guys, I appreciate you watching. Do me a favor. If you like the video, hit the subscribe button. Also, we're going to leave all of Johnny's links in the description box. So go in the description box, click on them, follow him, and subscribe to his channel. Once again, I appreciate you watching. And please consider joining my Patreon.

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I really appreciate you guys watching. Thank you very much. See you.

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Wes didn't fight him fairly. You know what I'm saying? Like he didn't take it and say, let's go out in the parking lot. My buddies can stay here instead. They all jump in.

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They're all swinging on him. So that's already a major issue as far as, as far as in like Florida standard ground is concerned. You know what I'm saying? Like that, that's you've now you like Wes may have had a, a one-on-one with the guy. Cause he showed up and that probably would have been okay. But, No charges.

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But when these other guys jump in, it took on a whole new situation like they have no right to jump in. And then when the guy hit the ground and he kept kicking him, whether it's whether you're saying it's serious or not, which I agree and I can have something to say about that.

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But but the fact that once the guy was down and he was retreating and you kept kicking him, OK, your your stand, your ground has changed. disappeared at this point. That's over. Your whole defense for he approached me. Yeah, he approached you. He didn't approach you and all of your buddies. And then he certainly went, once you were no longer a threat, you can't keep kicking the guy.

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So he has an issue there. And I can tell you right now, having been in prison and seeing fights, listen, a 30 second to a minute fight is a long time. That's a long time to fight, even if you're in good shape.

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So the other thing is, and I always hate this about movies. Matter of fact, we were watching, my wife and I watched the last episode of Landman the other day. And this guy, these guys are punching this dude in the head. I mean, he's got like a bag over his head. They're smashing him and smashing him. And they're doing all this, you know, really, really beating the hell out of him.

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Of course, when it's over, he gets up and he walks away. He's cut up and bloody a little bit. Doesn't go to the hospital. And I'm like, listen, if a guy punches you four or five times to the face and really connects. And this guy had no defense. He's got a bag over his head, so he can't even see it coming.

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Why don't you say that? Because that's exactly what I was thinking. I was like, I wonder if that was the same situation.

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Yeah, this is at least the uploads on YouTube. The first episodes I'm seeing are 14 years ago. Right. You know what I'm saying? So this is like the beginning of YouTube.

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Sam Bankman Free, he's in the same unit as Diddy.

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I think Diddy in a normal federal prison would, Well, one, depending on how much time Diddy gets, I don't necessarily know that they'd end up—they would eventually end up at the same spot. It's very possible they end up at the same spot. But initially, I think Diddy will get so much time, he probably ends up at a medium because of his charges.

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If he gets 20 or 5 or 30 years, he'll end up at a medium initially. Maybe. He may just go—no, he'll end up at a medium.

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Who, did he?

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Well, when they raided the houses, they found guns that were in his possession that had, they had like the serial numbers were defaced. This is your house. You live here. These are your guns.

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Multiple. I know there were multiple. I think one was an AK-47 or some kind of an assault rifle. So maybe four. Maybe. It doesn't matter. It's like 25-year mandatory minimum. You have an AK-47 with a—and it may not. I believe one of them was an assault rifle. Even if it's just a handgun, you're in trouble. You can't have guns that have—or weapons that have—that are defaced. It's a problem.

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Whether or not you can prove to the court that those appealable issues would have resulted in less time is another matter. So he's appealing his case. He's being held right now. I believe he's in BOP custody or Marshall's custody. Either way, he's in the same unit as Diddy. Diddy. Tucker Carlson had like a primetime show and he also was an anchor for Fox News. They eventually fired him.

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So the other things are they have text messages and supposedly recordings where he is— having other people, so you've got people that work for you who are acquiring, I'm gonna say prostitutes, right? Sex workers.

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in other states that you're paying to fly in to perform sexual acts, and you have text messages to back it up, and you have people that are willing to get on the stand, and you have the sex workers that are saying, yes, I was in California, or I was in whatever. I was in, I don't know, Texas or New York, and I was flown.

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He flew me across the country to go to a party where I had sex with him and four other people. Okay. Well, that's sex trafficking. That's a definition of sex trafficking. Even though you can sit here and say, that was a prostitute. It doesn't matter. They crossed state lines. You knew it was a prostitute. That's the point. It's a prostitute. This isn't prostitution. It's now sex trafficking.

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There's multiple of those. Once again, those are big charges. Now, the other charges, they're alleged charges, which he hasn't been charged for, which is like, underage kids. That's what, but we don't know any of that's true, but he hasn't been charged for any of that people that that's a big thing. There's videotapes that show him with underage, this and under that. That's all allegations.

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That's not what's on in the Rico. And what they're saying is that he ran an organization, his record label that, um, that not only, uh, engaged in sex trafficking, but then supposedly used his influence to threaten and coerce witnesses to not testify against him or work with the government.

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And keep in mind, there's a lot of accusations, there's a lot of people ready to get on the stand, but it's such a leap to say that you're his... that his record label is... is an organization that was designed to do this. Like that's what they're really kind of saying. He's using it as an organization to do sex trafficking. Like, come on, man, stop it, bro. Stop, stop. You don't need to do it.

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I don't think that's true at all. I think you've got an organization that this is his business. I think there's something he did on the side, but as by using Rico, they're able to give him some really big charges. So do I think he broke the law? I think he broke the law. Do I think he deserves time? I think he probably deserves time. Um, maybe he deserves 10.

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I think if he took a take up, take a plea for 10 or 15 years right now, he should take it. The problem is they're trying to give him like, like 30, 40, 50 years. Why do you think it deserves 10 years? I think if you've got those guns.

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Right. So those are OK. When I say I think that he should take those charges, it's not because I think because let's get rid of the child. Let's get rid of the underage children accusations. OK, because we do not know that those are true. So let's just go with what they're saying. He's flying in professionals. Right. To to commit acts. And he's paying them. It's illegal.

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So that's the charge, right? And those people are ready to testify saying that they were threatened and coerced with weapons. Yeah, I don't think that's the case. Well, I'm telling you what they're charging. Right. And he's got the weapons.

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So they're saying, and the weapons are weapons that are defaced. We don't know how you procure them. They're not in your name. And those are these types of weapons. The reason they don't like these weapons are these are weapons that we can't track and they're disposable.

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I only bought that weapon so I could use it on you and get rid of it. It doesn't come back to me. Even if it's found later, it doesn't come back to me. I didn't buy it in my name. You don't know how it got here. You don't even know if you can track that weapon at all because it's been defaced. We don't even know that you're going to figure out where it came from.

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Even if you find it and I bought it legally, you can't tie me to that weapon. because I bought one and it was stolen. Well, we think this is the weapon. Doesn't have a serial number on it. So you see what I'm saying? So what they're saying is, and that's the whole RICO section, right? Like it's all interconnected.

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He got into – multiple times he got – there were a couple of lawsuits against him. And eventually they let him go. Maybe he quit. I don't really know exactly what happened. But I believe that there were some issues and they parted away. He then started his own podcast. And it brought in huge numbers. And so now he's kind of a conservative host that interviews other people.

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What I'm saying is, why do I think if he could get 10 or 15 years, he should take it? I'm saying that not because, I think he deserves to go to jail. I don't, personally, based on the charges and what probably really happened, I don't think he deserves 10 or 15 years. Maybe he deserves five or 10, whatever. I do think that he's got a thug mentality and I think he threatened people.

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I think he's got defaced weapons and there's no reason for you to have those weapons. I think you've threatened people and, and I think you've threatened. He's, he's coerced and threatened witnesses. That bothers me. You know what I'm saying? It bothers me. You and I have a dispute about,

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You threaten me, whatever it is, you know, you you the police come, you get arrested and then you go to my family or you send people to my house and you absolutely not. Let's let the courts take care of it. You don't have people contact these people. You don't send people like he's he's not somebody who's who's following the rules. I don't think any of those powerful people follow the rules.

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So I think if he could get 10 or 15 years, if he could get 20, he should take it because he could probably be out in 12. But because my whole thing is if you think you're going to go to trial and win this against the feds, you're going to end up with 40 years. He's going to end up with 40 years and he's going to wish to God he'd taken 15 and done less than 10 years.

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Well, you know, the other thing is, keep in mind, too, everybody's like, oh, he's got the best lawyers. Listen, bro, I don't think people realize what lawyers are. These lawyers will milk you. They'll tell you things knowing you're done. Your best bet right now, we got an offer on the table right now for 12. You should take it. Instead... Yeah, they're offering you $12,000, bro.

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I'm telling you, if we go to trial, fuck them. I'm telling you, we can beat this. Let's fight and let's fight hard. Give me another $300,000. You already gave me $300,000. Give me another $300,000. Let's go to trial. Let's go to trial. And then when you lose... We're going to appeal it. We're going to appeal this. That's BS, I'll tell you that. We can beat this in the appellate court.

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You know how unfair that was, did he? Yeah, man, they were against us. Yeah, give me another $200,000. The truth is, these guys know they're losing at every single... By the time they're done, they've got a million dollars out of you over the next three years. Bledge a drive. And honestly, the lawyers are doing very little of the work. Paralegals are doing most of the work. And so you're done.

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You're done, and you don't know any better, and... It's the way of the world. And keep in mind, too, like you said, these guys are, he's, you're on an inmate phone. He's buying minutes from other inmates. You see what I'm saying? Like, it's, what do you, you know, you just can't follow the rules. So, yeah.

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So far it's been working for him. But the problem is with the feds, it typically doesn't work for you.

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You can win at the state level. Unfortunately, the state plays by the rules. The feds don't. And people think the feds play by the rules and the state doesn't. I was just thinking it was the opposite. It's the exact opposite.

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And he's a little bit – like he's interviewed Putin. It's amazing because he's kind of – I don't want to say – he comes off very silly sometimes, right? Like smart, but he laughs about – like we just watched that one video. Like he's laughing about Diddy and – tell him – Tell him we said hi.

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And I never did this prior to this, by the way. I only did this because I was on the run. Listen, fraud, on the run, fraud is not a full-time job, right? In general, fraud is not a full-time job. It's part-time. If you're really working at it, it's part-time. It's 20 hours a week. And it's really just fun because it's not even a job.

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But on the run, we got to a point where it was like we had enough money. I don't want to say tons of money, but we could do whatever we wanted. And we're committing fraud. And so we're doing stuff like, we're going on vacations, we're going on road trips, we're doing rock climbing, we're skydiving, whatever. We're doing all kinds of different stuff that is just kooky stuff.

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And at one point I went – I saw a commercial or something for the new Halo. This was a Halo. It was big. And it was the second version of Halo. This really is dating me. I understand. So – but – and I was like, that looks really cool. You know? I should get that. So I got – I want to say it was an Xbox because I think it was a black box or something. Anyway, whatever it was that they play Halo on.

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So I – You know, went into, gosh, it was, what was it called? It went out of business. Circuit City? No, it was something game.

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Not GameStop. It was. Not Game Room.

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No. Blockbuster. This was, they sold electronics. But whatever it was, I went in there. And first of all, I thought – Radio Shack? No. No, it wasn't Radio Shack. No, this was like a big – this was like Circuit City kind of thing. But it was something else that wasn't just games. It was all kinds of electronics. Electronics. But I remember they had the Halo.

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They had the Halo guy with the gun standing on like rocks that are – so the rocks are going up about two feet. He's standing on it so that the statue is – seven feet tall and he's kind of hunched on the rocks with the gun. And I was like, how much do you guys want for that? And the guy goes, I don't think it's for sale. I said, bro, I want one.

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And he went and talked to the guy, talked to the manager and everything came back. He's like, he can give you a phone number, but he said he didn't think they sell them. And it was kind of like a, you know, it was, it was a display, but next to it, they had the games and stuff. So I went, you know, I walked in, I said, bro, I want the game.

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Yeah, give him it. It's like, bro, like that's probably not like I'm sure you want to be laughing and in the same sentence as Diddy. But yeah, so he ends up interviewing Sam Bankman Freed. And so they have remote visitation. So what happens is he does an interview with him. And the next day, Sam Bankman Freed gets thrown in the shoe.

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I want the Xbox or whatever it was, everything you can give me, whatever that was, a couple grand, no problem. And we're paying everybody in cash, right?

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And I want all this stuff. And I remember thinking, I might play this. I might fuck with this for about an hour or two and be like, I don't get it. It's like watching TV. It's like watching football. You could sit down with me, take me to a Super Bowl party. There's 40 people there.

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I'm sitting, put me right in front of the big screen TV and I would watch it for about 30, 40 minutes because I've done this many, many times. I've really made an effort and been like, OK, you guys, I don't get it. Like, I don't I'm sorry. I understand you're excited. I don't know why you're screaming. You're not there. You can't play. You're too fat. You can't possibly play football.

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Like, I'm looking at these guys going, I don't know. You guys are vicariously living through these guys because none of you are playing football, maybe in high school or something. But we all love betting sports. But let's be honest. Sometimes you need a little more action once the game ends. That's where MyBookie's Live Casino comes in. It's not just about spinning reels and hoping for a jackpot.

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I was like, this is, this is maybe what happens. Like I'm about to spend a couple grand. I mean, I got the best, the best gadgets and we bought some other videos and I mean, other games and stuff. We go home, we play it. And I liked it like right away. I liked it. And I spent hours and hours and hours and I loved it. And so Boziak is like, I spent, listen, that is,

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I felt like 20% of my day was spent playing that game at a minimum. I had to break away to go make some W-2s or pay stubs or go open a bank account or go survey somebody or whatever. It's like, fuck, I got to get this done. So what happened was... So Boziak moves in here, right?

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You know how Boziak, he's always talking about like, you know, when he was doing Uber, or not Uber, he was doing DoorDash. And he was like, man, I'm fucking busting my ass doing DoorDash. Like you're working about three, four hours a day. I see you for two or three hours, you're playing video games.

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And he has all his, he has his iPad and he's playing, he's playing this and he's, and then he would come and show me this new game that came out. Look how realistic it is. And he'd pull it up and I'd look at it and I'd think, It is amazing. And he would explain to me how each moving piece had its own algorithm so that when you walk through and you kick stuff, it fell differently.

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It doesn't fall the same every time. It falls differently depending on how you move. Everything feels like the real reaction to how things work. And he had videos on it and everything. The game was amazing. And I'm going, the quality of these games are amazing. And he's like, yeah, bro. He's like, do you want to play? And I thought, no. No, I don't. Because you will get immersed. Right.

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I don't play video games because that's going to be 20% or 30% of my time. I don't have enough time to do all the things I want to do during the day anyway. You're going to throw in video games? No, I'm not doing that. That's going to be 20%, 30%.

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I just don't, I don't, like, I… And what's so funny is that those guys end up working some 30-, 40-hour-a-week job. They play video games. And smoke pot. And all they do is complain about how life isn't fair. Motherfucker, you spend six hours a day.

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So I don't think a lot of people realize that me being a high profile inmate in federal prison, I was in Coleman Low. In general, not just me, but in general, you have to you have it's called a it's called a public information officer.

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I'm not saying they're not good people. I'm sure all gamers, or most of the gamers, I'm sure, are very good people, too. Somebody's got to make that fucking coffee at Starbucks. I'm not doing it. Thank God for them. Thank God for that guy, because he works at Burger King. I'm just saying, work your little job. Work your job at Burger King. Play your video games. Stay stoned.

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Live in your parents' spare room. But don't complain about how life isn't fair. Hello. Do you see what I'm saying? Like, I get it. If you're saying, no, I'm happy with this. But don't sit there and then leave the house and then go online or go in the comments or go with your friends and complain about how— All women are, you know, whatever, prostitutes or whatever they're calling it.

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Why I'm single. Life isn't fair and that they don't pay me the $150 an hour I deserve at Starbucks. It's like, no, no, you're already being paid too much. No woman is dating you because you're a loser. And you live in your parents' spare room, and you stay stoned all the fucking time. And you're good with that. Right. Now, if you're good with that, then fine. Just don't complain.

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And I used to see the same thing with that. You figure that out in prison. You'd see these guys who would complain about getting all their fucking time, how they got 10 years, and that's bullshit, and I didn't deserve 10 years, and I shouldn't even be in prison. They could have given me probation, and they're not feeding us good, and they never let us out.

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What did you think when you were robbing banks? Did you think they were going to serve you lobster and treat you like a king in prison and give you a slap on the hand and help retrain you for society? And come on, bro. What are you doing? So my problem is I would be such a loser if I started playing those games because I know I would like them so much.

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Listen, every time they come out with a new season of, what is it? What's, oh wait, Silo? Or what's the other one? The one, The Office, kind of like they're in The Office. Severance. Severance. That's a whole day. That's a whole day. Every time they come out with it, that's a whole day or two of my time. Two days of my time is gone.

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I'm binge watching it. Thank God they don't have more good shit out there. Everyone's like, oh, there's nothing good on TV. Thank God. If these guys were massively producing amazing shows, I wouldn't get anything done. So Severance is really good.

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The Blacklist, the only reason I watched it is because I did that first podcast I did on Danny's show. So I did that podcast. In the comments section, people are like going, bro, this is the real – Raymond Reddington. Matt Cox is the real Raymond Reddington. Matt Cox is the blacklist. And keep in mind, I've seen the show and I don't get the comparison at all.

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This guy's a master criminal in a different way, right? Like to me, the way I look at me, other people look at me, they see me in a different way. The way I look at these guys who are stealing, whatever, they're running scams and they're making 50, 100 million, $200 million. Those guys are like, typically they're not master criminals. They're just accountants that are fudging the numbers.

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So there's a staff member that is the public information officer for Coleman for the whole compound, the whole, you know, in Coleman, there's two, two pins, a medium, a low and a camp. That whole they have one one guy who determines whether or not you can be interviewed. And then he sits in on the interview because I've been interviewed multiple times. by newspaper reporters, by, uh, media.

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But I know guys, not a lot of them, but that are very, have a vast, they have a vast knowledge of many, many different crimes, right? And they're still, they're making, you know, tens, 20, a hundred million dollars, let's say. Those guys are more, and they have a criminal network. They know tons of criminals.

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But it's like, I know a guy, you know, you talk to these guys and they're like, yeah, you know, I got a guy that I know can make makes all my heat. This guy is good for he makes all my fake IDs. And then, oh, this guy, I use this guy to make all my checks. This guy, he's perfect for credit cards. He can get me all the credit card information. I know these three guys. They're good for that.

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Like they have like. eight people that they can pull from. They've got a whole group of criminals that they work with. Like that to me is, that's, you know, that's Spectre, right? Like that's this guy's up here and he's got all the, kind of like Zach in his heyday. He had all these people and he was insulated. He had a whole insulation system that allowed him to be, you know, anonymous.

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He had anonymity. And so to me, I feel like I feel like I was a foot soldier. I was a guy who was very... I had a very high skill set where I don't need to know anybody that can make my fake IDs. I'll go to the DMV and they'll make them. Or I'll figure out how to do it myself. And I'll be able to use that ID to get real documents and then go in the DMV.

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I'll be able to take that document and then I'll go get a real passport from the State Department. So... I can get these things on my own. My skill set is so high that I don't need anybody else. And as a result of that, I didn't really have anybody else. So it was all me. So I'm like a little foot soldier with a backpack full of stuff. Zach, to me, was more like a general.

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Although I see lots of stupid things that he did, he was a guy that had a massive network of people.

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But I don't know those guys. And I don't know how to, I didn't know how to contact those guys. I don't have the network of those guys. I didn't, you know, I had never been arrested and gone to prison or jail for six months and networked. So I had to figure out everything on my own. Um, Yeah, I'm not exactly sure how we got there.

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Oh, yeah, the Blacklist. So to me, to me, Raymond Reddington would be a homicidal or a violent form of Zach on an international level. Does that make sense? Because Raymond Reddington, you know, what they like in the Blacklist is that there is kind of this underground... Network. Network of criminals. And they're high-end criminals that are also have- There's a code.

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Yeah, they have politicians under there. So there's kind of like this cabal. I think they actually call it the cabal. They literally call it.

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Oh, you've seen it. I thought you were asking about it.

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Oh, man, come on.

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And I grew up with him. Remember, he was in, like, Less Than Zero. He was in Sex, Lies, and Videos tapes. He was in... He was in all kinds of. But anyway, him.

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Like I've been brought down to the warden's office or assistant warden's office and interviewed. This guy sat here the whole time, been interviewed by reporters. This guy sat in the, in the thing the whole time. What? And just sat there and listened. Well, I've also been interviewed like Sam Bankman freed, not remotely where I just got on the phone and talked to the person who was a reporter. Um,

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He's chubby and bald.

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Yes.

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Raymond Reddington.

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I haven't heard... I've heard of White Lotus. I haven't watched it.

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Nobody knows.

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Yeah, Severance is so... It's such an odd concept that you're constantly... trying to figure out what's happening here. Like what?

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Oh, see, that's not what happens. What Jess will do is we'll be watching a movie, and she'll say, does he die? And I'm like, you have to watch. And she's like, I know, but I'm going to watch. I just want to know, does he die? And I look at her and I go, I'm not telling you. I'm actually irritated that you would ask that.

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but they never caught it. But you were supposed to get permission to be interviewed by this guy. Obviously Sam Bankman-Fried did not get permission. And so once the Bureau of Prisons, the BOP saw the interview, they came and they arrested him. I mean, arrested him. That's what we would call it in prison. You don't call the COs COs in prison, right? You don't call them guards or COs.

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No, Jess will then pick up her phone and I'll see and I'll go, I'll be like, what are you doing? Because it took me, she had to do this. She did this several times before I realized. She picks it up and starts looking to find out if this person died. She has to know.

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And she just has to know now.

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Yeah, I want to experience it.

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I like that. Yeah, definitely the Blacklist was amazing. It's over, right?

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Was he really... It killed me the whole time that he was... Like, you're right. I never figured out, like, where he's like, I'm not... Not her father. Not the father. Not the father. Like, it killed me because I kept thinking... You are her father. You are her father. And he was so adamant that he wasn't. And then there were times I thought, oh, wow, he's not. This person is.

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And then you realize, no, that person couldn't be that. It is Reddington. And then is it, you know, who was Reddington? How was he? And there were these little tiny things where you're like, I don't even think the backstory to who you are is who you are.

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And I guess he thought he was gonna go to trial, get on the stand or do whatever and just explain away what had happened with FTX. So he thought he was going to explain. Oh, his lawyers, they wouldn't listen to him. While he was out on bond, he was doing podcasts. He's doing interviews and podcasts. His lawyers are screaming, what are you doing? Stop doing that.

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So real quick. just to say I like I do love the blacklist. But how kind of odd or is it serendipity? I'm going to pull up right now my history. You see what that is? Songs that make you feel like Raymond Reddington. Here's another one. This is all I listened to this morning. Songs that will make you, same thing, feel like. This is another one. It's Raymond Reddington songs. Here's another one.

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These are all things that I, look, look at this one. Look at this one.

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And we mention it. Because I listen to them. And there's actually one that's super cool. It's a video of moments... of where Reddington will be in a situation and he'll tell a story. You know, he loves telling the story.

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You call them cops. Hey, where's the cop? They're not cops. But you call them cops. And then you say, yo, bro, he got arrested, bro.

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And he'll suddenly tell a story. I believe the FBI agent is bleeding out and they're in like a chamber or something. And the guy's like basically saying like, we're not going to get out of here. Like I'm about to die. He's bleeding out.

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Yeah. He said, he's like, you know, like, why do you say that? He's like, have you ever been on a sailboat? Like, he starts going through this whole little thing where he talks about all these things he wants to do. Just...

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one more yes yeah yeah and he gets to that point about the sun on my face oh yeah while standing on the piazza of whatever he says or you know and there's all these places he wants to go and wants to have one more bottle of wine he wants to do one more book he wants goes and then he ends where he talks about sleeping like when i was a boy sleeping like like and he oh listen it's so

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Like you listen to, you get, it's just like chills.

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It's going to make it. I know he makes it. I already saw the episode. But yeah, it's got a bunch of those, a few of those. And then there's another one called, it's, what's the gangster one? The song, it's,

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gangsters paradise where they play gangsters paradise and it's but it's raymond doing all these different things where you think he's about to get grabbed and you know whatever he shows up he's sitting in some senator female senator comes walking down and sits down and he's sitting in our thing and he's got a gun and he's like and she's like you can't kill me i'm a senator he goes why not

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And he like plugs her. But that's what's funny is that it's because people kept saying like, oh, he's Raymond Redding. Oh, he's the black guy. He's it. And I remember it. So then I started watching it. And I was like, this guy's a psychopath. This guy's murdering people. I'm not going to murder anybody. Where do I give you that impression? How do you see me as this person?

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We're already in jail. It's so funny, too. Like, I'm lucky because when I got out, I would say stuff like that. I had to constantly stop myself. And now I'm at the point where I say CEOs, the shoe, whatever. But yeah, so he got he I have no doubt he was they called him one day. You know how it works. The lieutenant walks in.

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Well, I mean, I think that I'm on a scale, right? Like most... Look, 1% of society are psychopaths. Almost everybody's on the scale. Almost nobody has 0%. Almost nobody's just not on the scale at all, right? So everybody has a little bit, right? Because it's a scale. It's like anything. So... I would say I'm somewhere in there. Sometimes I feel like I'm in the middle.

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Sometimes I feel like I'm maybe towards the upper branch of it. But everybody's on that scale. So if 1% of society is like a full-blown sociopath, right, and 1% of society is locked up, About 99% of the people that are locked up are psychopaths. They suffer from some kind of antisocial disorder.

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And so the difference is when you go to prison and you talk to people and you talk to those people, the people that I've been locked up with have very, very different personality traits than the average person when you get out. Does that make sense? People in prison talk about their crimes openly, brazenly, typically unapologetically, where people here, if they bump into you in the supermarket...

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They apologize. They all feel so bad. And every once in a while, of course, you'll bump into one of those guys that just got out of prison, and he just gives you that look and keeps walking or says something to you.

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You're going to prison. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, but that code of conduct only works because you're surrounded by other people like that. In society, that person doesn't do well. You know, unless there's some kind of a chameleon, like a lot of this stuff I'm doing for serial killers, right? Like most of them, they have.

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They have two completely – and a serial killer is clearly – one out of 50 is a 50. This is a guy who was murdered. These guys are killing people. They don't have any qualms about it. Their biggest issue with killing people is how do I not have their body attached to me? How do I put this person over there and move the vehicle and do this and make sure I'm not associated?

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but those people don't have an issue at all. But those people will, you think, oh, he's a psycho, he's crazy, he's insane. Yeah, but they'll also have a wife and three kids. And those wife and three kids will think they're absolutely amazing. And when they find out dad killed 30 people, they're like, what? That's gotta be a mistake.

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No, no, we have DNA footage and your dad's telling us all about it right now. And then they come in and meet their father and they're like, what are they saying? They're like, yeah, I've been meaning to tell you this, Bobby.

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The reason I took that job as an inspector was because it gave me the ability to drive around and stalk women, find out where they lived, watch the house for a few days, get their routine down, and then break into the house and tie them up and torture them. I have photos. You know what I'm saying? Imagine the kid. I've seen these interviews of the wives that are just like, wait, what? What?

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They're interviewing him 10 years later and they're like, yeah, yeah, I talked to him about it. I couldn't believe it. I was in the jail saying, oh my gosh, I can't believe that they've got you locked up for this. And the guy's like, yeah, I got to tell you something. We've been locked up for it. We've been married 15 years, 25 years. About that. Yeah. How long have you been doing this?

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Just before I met you. You know? Just before.

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Cox, come here for a second. Of course, in the low or the medium, they call you down to like the lieutenant's office. And you'd be like, what is going on? Nope, that's never a good thing. Yeah, no, no. He's never calling you to wish you happy birthday. No, no. He's never saying, hey, wanted to let you know, wow, you're just doing a great job here.

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Like for me, I, I, I'll let you know.

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Like, you know, when it goes away, I'll let you know. I mean, there's not, there's not, I don't know if there's not a day that goes by. I used to say there's not a day that goes by. There was probably the first couple of years. When I was living in that kind of the rooming house, that spare room. And I mean, listen, I get in my little beat up car, my little Jeep.

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I didn't have the Jeep when I met you, right? I got a new vehicle.

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Oh, yeah, yeah. It was brand new. I got a brand new Jeep, which is still like a $22,000 Jeep. Like it was, you know, it was a Larray. No, it was a Sport. What was it?

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I don't know the names.

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Compass. Compass. It was a brand new Jeep Compass I bought in the middle of COVID. I put down $1,000. My payment was $350 a month. I was thrilled. Everything worked on it. I was thrilled. It was brand new. It had a warranty and everything. It was great. So anyway, but prior to that, even when I was driving that, I would leave this house, right?

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I'd drive down the street to go somewhere, and there would be vacant houses everywhere. where I know this is a house, someone's maintaining it, but nobody lives there. And these aren't little houses where the area, like I lived in a nice rooming house. Like it wasn't in the hood. It was upper, this is upper middle class. This place was like on a lake. It was nice. but I drive down.

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So I'm driving by places that are probably at that time, they're probably a million dollars now. At that time, they were probably worth six, $700,000. This is five years ago. So I'm driving down and there's these houses that I know are vacant. And that house is, it's probably worth in good condition, maybe 800,000. It's probably not in great condition right now.

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It's worth maybe 700,000, but nobody lives there. And there's no sign in the front yard. It's not for sale, but I know because I live in this neighborhood. Nobody lives there. There's never been a car there. I've never seen anybody. I can tell that the newspapers pile up throughout the day and then they take them away. I can tell the mail's piled up and somebody once or twice a week is coming.

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But it's really not being maintained. And there were multiple houses like that. And listen, I used to drive by and it was like they were taunting me. I was thinking to myself, God, I could go downtown. I could find out. I could pull the title. I don't even really have to go downtown. I could take my laptop and go into Starbucks and look it up. But I can find out the deed to this house.

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If they owe anything, are there any liens? I could satisfy all of those liens. I could transfer the title to the house. I could put the house on up for sale. Or I could borrow against the house. By that point, I had realized that there were closings that were remote closings. I could open some bank accounts online, do a remote closing, and borrow money on the house or sell the house outright.

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Or I could get really vicious and go to an investor meeting and meet some other investors and just tell them that I'm connected with a guy at the bank. who's got houses that are available, and I could simply do a false foreclosure notice, the less pendants, file it downtown, put that house into a name And then, or not even have it filed yet.

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Wow, you've been doing- Giving you a raise on your job. It's not what's happening. A whole nickel. So you go down there and then- And so, yeah, you typically you go down there and they go, you know, Cox. Yes. Come here. Stand here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What's up? And then they go, did you? And then they whatever such and such say such and such and do such and such a cop. Who is this that you called?

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Just say to the guy, I can have this house placed in your name. We sell it. You give me the money in cash. We'll sell it for 300,000, 400,000. You give me 200,000 in cash. You take all the tax liability. Most investors are going to be like, holy shit. Are you serious? Yeah, bro. I got problems with the IRS. I can't have any money in my name, but I got a buddy that works at a bank.

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It's in foreclosure. He can transfer it into your name. Yeah, I'll do that. No problem. Okay. Like that's not – there's so many scams now that are so easy to do based on my skill set. And I thought about it all the time. I told you this. You've heard me say this. When I would lay in bed and you like can't go to sleep, I would just start planning a scam. I'd go to sleep like that, like a baby.

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Just kind of rocks you to sleep. It does. And I thought you should do that. This is like daily I'm doing this. And this went on for a couple of years. It doesn't happen so much now because I think I'm so busy. And I was under a lot of stress the first couple of years.

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And now that I'm like off supervision or probation, I'm off probation and things are going well and I'm not under a tremendous amount of stress now, I don't think about it as often, but it's always there. Hey, I'll tell you something back to the sociopath thing. Why is it going back to the sociopath? Let me tell you why. Let me tell you why. I'm going to play a thing I sent to Jess.

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And we'll see what you say. This is good. Basically, the person says like, this is how you can tell if you're a psychopath. And as soon as it played, I immediately got the answer that if this is what you think, you're a psychopath. Sociopath, sorry. And as soon as I watched it, as soon as I watched it, guess what answer came to me?

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Because as soon as the person says it, they're like, if your answer was this, you're a psychopath. And I thought, ooh.

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why i immediately thought oh boom but what do you think why did he kill her the man and the woman walk up to the casket they exchange a look right so they both leave he sees her at a funeral this woman that he's attracted to right he likes her and they kind of have a little exchange kind of a little like you could tell he likes her they kind of like each other and then he leaves

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And they'll play some fucking thing. You're like, oh, that's that's my brother. How come you called? You know, and then they'll ask you something. You're like, yeah, this is what happened. They're like, oh, OK, turn around. Cuff up. No, but what happened? Exactly. Exactly. And then next thing you know, you got some other fucking CEO walking behind you and putting cuffs on you.

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He finds her mother. A week later, he murders her mother. Why does he murder the mother? I have no clue. So my first thought was he'll get to see her at the funeral. It's a way to arrange a meeting between the two of them again.

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And my as soon as they said a week later, he kills her. Why did you kill her? I thought, well, he'll be able to see her at the funeral. My first thought was, yeah, that's a way to arrange another meeting where it's not obvious. And I thought, yeah. And then he goes through his whole explanation. I was like, I wonder if I'm right. And then she explains immediately. And I was like, oh, shit.

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And then I sent this to Jess.

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Just make sure you're still good. We'll watch. We watch serial killer documentaries and they'll explain like this guy was that like there's by the way, the first the very first. Known. serial killer in the United States was a guy named H.H. Hobbs. No, Holmes. Holmes. H.H. Holmes. His real name was like, he was born like, you know, Ivan Sneed or something weird. But he ends up taking over.

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He ends up creating an identity called H.H. Holmes. Holmes? H.H. Holmes. The reason he does this is because as Sneed or whatever his name was, he starts running a scam. He's super smart, goes to medical school. He starts...

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stealing bodies and he starts taking out insurance on people so he gets you to go in and take out insurance then he goes and steals a cadaver stages a a death and gets a death certificate for you and collects on the life insurance so he's so

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Oh, and then he then he skins the whole thing, creates a skeleton and sells a skeleton to a medical school by going in and basically he's going in digging up dead people. But first, he's got multiple layers. First, he has you. You're an accomplice. You go get a life. I'm going to get a life insurance policy on you. So you go in, you sign, you understand, pays the premiums for months.

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Then he goes and he finds someone that looks reasonable like you. That's about to be buried or buried. He digs them up because back then this is back in the 18, this is like in the 1890s or 1870s. So they don't, they're not doing, you know, all the embalming and everything. They don't have a lot of forensics. So, um, They take that person.

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So he then takes that person and he stages, he like leaves them dead somewhere, shoots them a couple of times. Like the cops show up, they go, oh, this guy's dead. He leaves your identification on them. Then they get issued a death certificate for you. He can now take the death certificate and say, by the way, this guy just died. We were buddies. We got a life insurance policy on him.

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And then they walk you to the shoe and they put you in the shoe and you still don't know what the fuck you did.

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There are 27 that he admitted to because they found the remains. He didn't say anything else. This is a guy who also, he went to work. He would take over businesses. He'd go work for your business. And after a month or two, he's working for your business. After a month or two, you suddenly die. Keep in mind, poison back then, there's no way to determine.

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If I give you an extra dose, if I put chloroform in your coffee and you drink it and get sick and die, that's it, you're dead. They don't know why you died. Just strange circumstances. Yeah, he died. He's 60 years old and he died. Right. That happens. He had a heart attack. We don't know.

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So now keep in mind too, now he goes, he would go to like the widow and say, look, can you own or finance the business? I'll take it over and I'll pay you this much money a month. And of course you're going to be like, oh my God, you're running the business. I don't have anybody else. Of course I'll do that. And it's very lucrative. Then once everything's signed over to him, you disappear.

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Two weeks from now, you're going to get a you're going to get called out. Maybe in two weeks, they'll call you out and call you into a little room and sit down. And it'll be some other guy you don't really know. He's like, OK, what did you do again? You're like, fuck, I've been here two weeks. What do you mean? What do I do again?

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They don't find your body or anything. You just disappear. She's traveling. She's this. Of course, I make payments to her. Nobody looks. Her husband died. She sold me the business. She's traveling. I own the business. He does this multiple times. So he's a con man. So they're explaining how he initially starts off as a con man. He's a psychopath, con man, smart.

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And as I'm watching this, I can feel just...

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looking over at me and i'm sitting there going what what and she's like i don't know there's just there's a lot of similarities here there's a lot i'm like stop i'm not violent she's like well he didn't seem violent at first either these were just cons they evolved but um that happens a lot as we're watching these these these these these uh serial killer stuff they'll say something every once in a

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And I'm just like, what? Look, even the face now.

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74. Anyway, we'll talk about that this when we're alone.

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Stop. Stop. But yeah, so definitely, so on the scale, I'm just saying on the scale, you know, that's all. He's comfortable with it.

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I said, you know, I'm a little narcissistic. She's like, I'm getting that. I said something along the lines of, I'm a little self-absorbed. And she's like, mm-hmm, yeah, I'm getting that. You could just tell she was just like, at that point, she was like, okay.

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So I can't tell you almost every time I've been to shoot, I had no idea why I went. And took a, well, that's not true. One time I knew exactly what it was and they let me out the next day. I don't even know why they threw me, why they locked me out.

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All his screensavers, he's got like five screensavers that repeat every time he turns. Every one of them is a photo of him. What else would I have?

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And you know what I have on mine? You know what mine is?

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It's not a red dot. What is that? That's the HAL 9000 from 2001 Space Odyssey. Hello, Dave. HAL, open the bay door. Dave, I can't do that. Oh, my gosh. Jess's response was, because it's mechanical and it doesn't have a heart. Okay. It's not true. Not true. There's a connection. But this is the Hal. Have you never watched 2001 Space Odyssey?

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I probably have, but only once. Hal ends up murdering everybody, killing everybody on board the ship. Jesus Christ. Because—but for a good reason. It was in furtherance of the—the priority was the mission, and he felt these guys were a hindrance to the mission. He'd been given conflicting—he'd been given conflicting goals, and these guys—the crew ended up being—

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in conflict with the goals, so they had to go. He didn't need them to run the mission, so they had to go.

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What's so funny is that 2001 Space Odyssey is literally, it's an amazing movie that is 30 to 40 minutes too long because they built these amazing sets So this is prior to Star Wars. I think this came out just before Star Wars. And so they built these sets of the ships, right? So these massive sets for these ships and the concepts were amazing.

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And the problem is you could tell they were really proud of them. Because they've got these these camera scenes where they are going by this. Everything's in real slow. But the problem is, is like I don't need a minute and a half shot of the ship. I don't need a minute and a half shot of this two minute shot of this model and that model.

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And that less is more like I could go through and shave off 30 minutes of that film, 40 minutes of the film. And it would be amazing. And Hal is amazing. And it's really funny because once the guy Dave eventually gets back in the ship, Hal doesn't think he can. And he gets back in. And he starts to basically turn off Hal. Hal starts to try and reason with him. Dave, can we talk about this, Dave?

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Dave, I've been thinking, perhaps I was a little rash in my decision. Dave, what are you doing? Dave, I mean, it's so, and he's just, Dave's like ignoring him. He's basically destroying, he's pulling out all of his higher brain functions and he's turning them all off and it starts sounding funny.

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Odyssey or something. Yeah, Space Odyssey, 2010 Space Odyssey. They do one where they go back to Jupiter. Because what's happened in the movie is they find a monolith. You've seen the scene a thousand times. Sometimes they make fun of it where it's a bunch of apes that are on planet Earth. And this monolith shows up, this black monolith.

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rectangular monolith that's big, you know, maybe it's 12 feet high. And so the apes are dancing around it. And what it is, is it's It's evolution. It's the next step. And so these apes, which are kind of fighting against each other, and that's another thing. They spend 15 minutes on the apes. I don't need 15 minutes to understand that these apes are at odds with each other. They're two groups.

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They're at odds. Then the monolith shows up. You've seen this. You've seen this in different forms. The apes are dancing around the monolith, and one of them throws...

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a a bone and you see the bone flipping in the air and the music is playing and that's the when it ends up using the bone as like a weapon we've now made that leap to evolution these apes are now evolving and it it's as a result of the monolith that that happens well then suddenly they find a monolith on the moon They investigate it.

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Then they find a monolith, a massive monolith, a hundred times as big as the one on the moon. On Jupiter. Around, just floating around Jupiter. And so they go to it in 2001. That mission is scrapped because HAL is shut off. And then in 2010, they come back with the Soviets.

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And they visit, they turn on Hal again, figure out what went wrong, and they decide that they're going to investigate the monolith. And what ends up happening is Jupiter implodes in a way that it turns into a sun. Jupiter, if it was a little bit bigger, would actually ignite. The pressure would actually split atoms and it would become a small sun.

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Or an argument.

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What happens is it becomes a sun and Europa has water on it. And Europa ends up having life. So it ends up that God, you know, we can't conceptualize the fact that the monolith is a mechanism for or tool used by God to create evolution or life. This was all on the space odyssey? This is on the first one and second one. It's amazing. It's amazing for multiple reasons. But here's the other thing.

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And I think I've, I know Jeff and I have talked about this many times. It's like the concept of God. The great thing about this movie is if you really look at it and understand what's happening is it's a great metaphor or maybe the Bible's a metaphor for God. So you have a base understanding when you watch the movie of what's happening.

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You kind of like, okay, this is a, you know, they refer to it as they believe it's kind of, it's an unspoken thing that it's alien. This is obviously alien. But in reality, it's, I think, and it probably is, there's probably a video, 10 videos on it that say, no, no, it is God. That it's God. That God created, maybe there was evolution on the planet because of the apes, right? There's evolution.

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But at some point, God steps in and says, I'm going to have these creatures evolve. And the monolith shows up and they end up evolving. And ultimately that evolution turns into humanity. Now, whoever wrote the Bible doesn't understand that. They can't conceptualize that. So they write their version of how that works so it makes sense. There's this omnipotent being that helps us or that created us.

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But really, it's evolution. And I believe that. I believe in evolution. But I also believe in God. So I just think that the Bible or God in general, you and I can't conceptualize what God is. We're not smart enough, right? A cat... A cat doesn't know it's on a planet traveling. Can't conceptualize a car. Right. It doesn't understand anything. It doesn't understand it's on a continent.

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They would have, you know what they used to have at Coleman? They had flag football. Flag football is not what you think it is in prison.

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It doesn't understand the atmosphere, the planets, nothing. Sure. But it's smart. It can feed itself. It's perfectly functional, right? A cat can clean itself and function and survive. It can raise its children. It can have offspring. It can do all kinds of stuff. They have their own little society, right? They interact with other cats, whatever. Same thing with monkeys. Same thing.

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They have their... There's very complex societies in monkeys, right? But they're not evolved. They're not smart. And ants. Right. They can't conceptualize. They don't understand the concept. We're just slightly evolved monkeys. So the idea that you and I are going to be able to understand what God is is silly. I don't understand what God is. Maybe God is—maybe it is alien. It's very alien to us.

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Maybe it's alien—it's an alien race, whatever. Or maybe it is God. And it's in a different realm, and you and I just don't understand it. So in that way, if you watch this movie with that in mind, you realize that the idea of God—I have no problem with the idea. I believe in God. And this movie is a great way to look at it if you look at it like that. It's entertaining. It's a little long.

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The first one's a little long. But other than that, if you watch it thinking that this is God— you kind of realize like, wow, like this is amazing. This is evolution. This is how we're evolving. This is how, and it ends up turning Jupiter into a planet and it puts life because life has evolved on Europa, right? Europa is all ice. Not all ice. It's got a layer of ice. Isn't Europa a moon?

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It's a moon of Jupiter. There's like 30 of them. And Titan and I think it's Titan and Europa that have that are mostly have oceans under the ice. So somehow or another, if Jupiter becomes a sun, it's going to melt the ice. You've got water and that life supposedly will then, you know, evolve. So that's the concept of what's happening. And it's funny, too, because HAL is there.

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They use HAL—I'm sorry, they use the ship. HAL is a computer. They use that ship to push the Soviet ship and have it launch it toward Earth. And when it—as it's leaving Jupiter—I'm sorry, as it's leaving Jupiter headed towards Earth— Hal ends up – I think all of this – I see your face, and I think all of this should stay. I don't think you should cut any of this.

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This is great. This is good stuff. So at the very – listen. So Hal ends up sending a signal to Earth saying that – to earth, you can have all of the planets in this like solar system, but do not approach Jupiter or Europa again. So it's, and this is God. So suddenly it's just how it says, I'm basically, I'm sending a message that I'm getting. Here's the message.

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Fist fights, kicking, falling over, banging, slamming into each other. Yeah.

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You could have all the planets, whatever you want. Do not approach this again. Because God has created life here and it's evolving and he wants to watch it take its course. And just don't. Just don't go over there. Just go in that garden. You can fuck with Mars and all these other planets, Saturn, do whatever you want to do. Just don't go over here again. Because I got life.

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I just created life and we're going to watch it evolve. And. So where does that come from? Like, we don't know where it comes from. But to me, that's God. Like, what is it? It's an alien or what is it? It's God. It's God telling you through this that this is what just happened. And you don't have to understand it. This is the way it is. And so they go back to Earth. It's a fucking amazing.

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And he's answering pointed questions. He's like, no, no, you don't understand what we did. What we did was we released this cryptocurrency that we were getting. And he tried to explain it. And then as you're As people would ask him questions, he would try and spin it. And then they'd be like, Sam, in your operating agreement, you said you would not do this. But then you did.

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These are amazing films. Well, thank you for that. Can you imagine what Jess goes through? Can you imagine what Jess goes through? I'll talk to her for an hour and a half and she'll just sit there looking at the whole time like this.

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And after about an hour, hour and 20 minutes, I start to go, I think I might be rambling. Am I rambling? She's like, no, no, it's fine. No, it's fine. She's like, this is just part of my plight. I have to do that. It's just what I do.

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It was so bad that I think they made him stop doing it. They had a relay race one time where the guy broke his ribs because he dove. One part of the relay was you jumped on a slip and slide. Slip and slide. I don't even know why they would include that. And as you went on the slip and slide, you had to grab a little flag or whatever. It was just a piece of cloth.

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No, it was the phone background. It was Hal. It was Hal. It was Hal.

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Yeah, I don't think if God came down and sat in front of us and explained what he was, you or I would be able to understand it. We would never, we would not be able to process it.

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And the earth was flat.

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But I think that's probably what the Bible was, is that this is their understanding of how it would work. You know what I'm saying? At that time, this made sense to them.

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The next version is 2001 Space Odyssey.

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And it's the girl.

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I saw that.

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So I think it's funny because I watched a video where they were talking about, and honestly the video was probably a year old, where the guy was like, listen, in the next six months to a year, AI will be running everything. And I was thinking, well, the video is a year or six months to a year old already. So what I think the problem is, is that one, to implement AI will take time.

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A decade to create enough robots and all the things that it needs to control will take a decade or more. Right. So it's not something like, hey, next year, AI is everywhere. It's running everything. That's not true. It's going to take time because you have to implement it. So implementation always takes longer than people expect. So then the other problem is.

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When I say devastating, I think it is devastating, right? Don't you think it would be devastating? Not in a way that like, not Skynet devastating. More like it's devastating to parts of the economy. Like your job, we don't need your fast food workers. We don't need them. These 30 people that run this McDonald's,

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So they had a line and you had slid under it and you had to grab it and then you would win. This guy ran the whole way. And when he got to the part where you go, he dove up in the air. and came down. It's like, you understand the slip and slide, which is really just plastic, right?

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We need one guy that comes in in a truck that loads up the vending machines that now make up McDonald's. That's it.

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If you're a small local hardware store, and Home Depot moves in two miles down the road, your version of evolution is you go under. You have to evolve. You go bankrupt. You can't open up another.

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So what you do is you close your fucking doors as quick as possible and you go get a job at Home Depot. I understand that. That's the evolution though.

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It's not the 50s. Right. So he has to evolve. So either he has to sell something else. and close the hardware store or change the hardware store into something else. Okay, I understand. What I'm saying is fast food in 10 years, there won't be workers. I'm saying that most of these menial jobs... Listen, once Tesla robots...

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are as good as you and I, what happens to all the... Imagine if you could buy a Tesla robot that can work as you, that can do drywall, that can paint, that can build houses. When all of that happens, those jobs will disappear. They have to do something else. But what else is there to do when there's a robot to do everything you can do?

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Some garbage bags on some concrete. You do understand that it was on the shell track. Like this is basically might as well be concrete. You just jumped three feet in the air. So you're now going to fall four feet onto concrete and slide. Broke his ribs. Well, these aren't the smartest. Gangsters. Anyway, so yeah, SBF did a whole thing with Tucker Carlson and got thrown in the shoe.

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Well, I understand what you're saying. You don't know yet. But I'm saying I think what happens is those jobs just don't exist anymore. And unless those people that were running those jobs, which are menial jobs, right? You could teach anybody how to work at McDonald's in all of one shift. You know, you got one eight hour shift.

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I can teach you how to run the fryer, you know, and basically flip hamburgers. You know, the whole thing. You can run almost every job at McDonald's just in one shift. So what I'm saying is. I don't know what those people do for a living when they can't do that. Maybe they're building robots. Yeah, they do something different. But is there enough jobs for robots?

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Because every time you open up, you build two or three robots, you've eliminated multiple jobs. And these robots, really one robot is eliminating probably three people because he doesn't stop working.

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Okay. So I'm going to go with evolution. So 20, let's schedule something March 11th, 2035.

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We're going to go 2035. Let me jot that down. I'll send you a calendar invite. And so in 2035, we're going to come back here, and we'll figure it out. At that point, we're going to go. What do you want to do? You want to go 2035? Yeah, let's go 2035.

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Thursday. Let's go with. Oh, no. YX. I come in studio.

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Send. Okay, that's it. Oh, I'm not going to be that old in 10 years. Okay. There you go. So I just scheduled it. So that's cool. So 10 years from now, we're going to come back and you're going to be like, why? You're right. Devastating. Devastating.

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I mean, you know, I think that you just start a war and you you just have people battle it out until you take out a good section of your society and you down you you once you once you knock out a third of the society, then then it probably that's probably a better, easier number.

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I mean, you know, then it's, yeah, we'll come up with a reason to go to war and be like, yeah, we'll fight. We'll do the old fashioned on the battlefield trench warfare for two years and that'll knock out 50 million people. And you'd be like, okay, 50, if we can get it up to 100 million, we're probably going to be okay with the fact that

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a third of our citizens are out of work because of these damn Tesla bots. Or they'll have to do some kind of a law or something where they're like, look, we have to slowly, slowly

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implement them into so that we can weave slowly weave them into society or some kind of universal but you can't just have universal they're helpers they're helpers now it's gonna help with our society have you used advanced Have you used ChatGPT? Listen, bro, ChatGPT, you can have a conversation with it.

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And so what happens in five years from now when that ChatGPT is, the AI is in the Tesla bot and the Tesla bot isn't doing this anymore. Where it's picking things up. When it walks in, sits down and says, hey, what's going on, sex? What are you doing? Did I see your motorcycle outside?

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I think I'm John Carter. Is it John Carter? What's the name of the guy on...

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No, no. The Terminator. Connor. Connor. Connor. John Carter is the name of a character. John Carter is on Mars. That Disney stuff.

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It was actually a comic book. Yeah, yeah. So this is... uh john connor so in the future i think i'm john connor and i think that as he's walking through the the ruin of of one of the cities i think you're one of the skeletons because i'm prepared for what's happening you think it's going to be the betterment i think we need to start preparing now because i'm telling you it's going to go bad

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I wonder if he knew.

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I'm saying I think that it's going to be devastating for the economy. I don't think so. I mean, I think it happens slowly, but I think it definitely destroys... Especially if... Because you basically got... A whole, you know, millions of robots that are just taking regular jobs. What do those regular people, you're saying they do something else. I don't know what else they do.

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I agree. I'm not saying that they're not coming. I'm not saying that you won't adjust. I'm saying that when they do come and when they are as good as humans, I think that is devastating for the economy and that they will have to figure out a way because you're going to have a ton of people that are just unemployed because there aren't new jobs.

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So you're going to have to come up with some kind of universal income to supplement those people, which, listen, I have no doubt that if you had robots come in and it was generated by great AI and they were super smart and you walked in and your doctor is a robot, Probably going to be way better than the regular doctor. I think that there will be a skilled doctor that handles the robot.

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I think maybe eventually. I don't know about you, but I'm watching Teslas right now. They're driving themselves. I was in California and I watched four or five while I was waiting for my Uber. You know what drove by me over the course of 10 or 15 minutes? Four different self-driving cars with the little things on the top of them. I forget what they call them. But they drove by.

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I mean, I'm sitting there. There's nobody in this vehicle. Now, two of them, there were people in the vehicle. Another couple, there was nobody in it. They're going to pick up somebody. There was nobody sitting monitoring those. They're driving around.

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That's why I just said I wouldn't mind if the doctor, if the surgeon, if you walked in and there's three robots there and they said they're going to perform your surgery, I got no problem with that. I have no doubt that they're amazing. They're phenomenal. I just don't. And maybe there's a doctor who's monitoring four or five surgeries that's going on.

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I mean, look, hey, then we get free health care, good free health care, not Canadian free health care, real free health care, because you could buy a rope. You could buy a surgeon for $30,000 that works 24 hours a day. Like I understand. I'm saying I understand that there's going to be some amazing leaps in technology and your quality of life is going to be vastly improved. My problem is

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I think that a lot of jobs are eliminated and there are no new jobs. So they have to come out with some kind of universal income. But you can't just make up money. It doesn't really work like that. So I'm wondering how that growing pain happens.

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Is this legitimately?

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They already have AI where, okay. So did you know that like every day there's like seven or eight different studies that come out on cancer every day? Yeah. So you're a cancer doctor. Can you read seven different studies on cancer every day? Okay. But AI can't. And so they, this was, and they already have the system in place now for doctors.

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You know that you punch in the, you've seen the doc, you got the doctor and they made MD. Yeah. And they punch in, even the doctors do it. Like at least at Coleman, they would go, they'd be like, okay, what's the problem? And they sit there and put all the symptoms and it diagnoses you. This is what's wrong with you. Yeah. Um, so, um, Five, six years ago, they were doing this before like AI.

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This is just when they were just able to put all of this into this system for medical system. And they had a group of doctors that came around and they would give this computer, I forget the name of the computer. I watched this on like 60 Minutes 10 years ago. And they would give it a case. And the case would end up saying, this person has this cancer, here's the best treatment.

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And it would lay out the treatment. And the doctors were like, here's the thing. It was providing, in some ways, the exact same treatment we had already provided. In some ways, it was saying, it was giving us alternatives. Like, look, based on these three recent studies,

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On Tucker Carlson, he was saying that it was in bankruptcy and if they'd allowed me to continue, it would have this. That's irrelevant. You're borrowing funds You're borrowing funds from money that investors had put in that you specifically said you would not borrow from. Like you're using funds that were supposed to be secured in order to make loans to another company.

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clinical studies you really should also include this or not do this because that's not what's what's working you need to do this and so it was giving these alternatives and they were like it's coming up with better solutions based on newer information than we have and these are like the top of the top cancer fighting doctors whatever they call them i know that's not the right name but you know these and they were like this is amazing this was 10 years ago so so i get it that

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I think that's that's what happens is is that those that machine is going to be smarter and faster and be able to be better. And I get that. My only problem is, is that you get to a point where maybe you don't need doctors anymore. And so my whole thing is, what does the doctor do?

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Or do you just do you just start doing something like what is it? The the Chinese where you say, look, we can't get. Well, first of all. First of all, our population right now, most populations in the world are decreasing.

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Well, it has, but it will stop soon. You understand we're not having children as fast as most countries aren't having children nearly as quickly as they were. You see that issue? You see the issue there?

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So we're peaking here. Yeah. But as of, so in about 50 years from right now. Do you see how it just trails off?

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So we're decreasing. Not quickly, but we are decreasing. In 50 years from now, it... Trails off and then it drops. And the major problem with that is, and you gotta watch, if you watch these videos, watch two or three of them, whatever, you'll be like, holy shit, luckily you and I will be dead by this time. But the point is, is that what robots... can probably fix the problem.

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So once it goes, not that they're going to populate, not that they're going to have babies, but once it gets up there, right, and it curves and it starts going down, because here's the problem, is that in the worst case scenario of it, the worst case example of it is in Japan and Germany and China. I'm sorry, Japan, Germany, and China. Because in China, remember the one baby policy?

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So they did that for, I don't know, I'm going to say 50 years. Since what, the 60s or 70s? Probably. The reason they did that, I want to say Mao, I probably got that wrong too, is that he decided that there were too many peasants, like there's too many people, citizens, and they're going to eat us. First of all, they had a bunch of bad seasons for crops. There was starvation. And then...

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They decided we'll go with one child per family and that will decrease the population enough that we can feed them. Whether it did or not, I don't know. But they stuck with that for 50 years because they have a massive population.

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So what happened is that the problem with that is that if you were born, if you wanted a baby and you had a baby and it was a little girl, you're chucking it down the well. Or you're taking that baby and you're sending it off to be adopted in America. There was a time in the 80s, 90s, 2000s, where if you wanted to adopt a child, you could get a little girl from China. Yeah.

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cheap they're just giving them away you used to see people walk away you see gay couples walking around or just couples in general walking around with a little Chinese girl wow constantly so what happened is here's the problem is that there's a gap right like as people retire you need someone there to work those jobs and take care of you that working class has shrunk

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And because there were a ton for every one male, sorry, for every one male in China, for every, for every like three women, I'm sorry, for every, for every one male in China, there's like three. Is there three? No. Is there three women? No, there are more men than women. That's what it is.

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Like the whole thing is, it's a big Ponzi scheme. You know, it's a big. That's the words that were going in my head.

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The problem is, is that that man is marrying one woman and you've got a couple of women that aren't having children or aren't married. And so what's happening is your working class is shrinking, but your retirement people, people are retiring. So they're retiring and there's nobody there to take care of them. And the income that they're making is no longer being pumped back into the system.

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And the people that are working that should be growing is shrinking. So that tax base is also shrinking. So you have fewer people to take care of. And even worse, the old people, when they retire, are living longer. Now, it's happening in a really bad place. It is in China, Japan, and Germany. Mostly Japan and Germany.

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The issue with Japan and Germany is that a ton of their population died off during the war. And then after the war, it took decades for them to regroup and rebuild their economy. And as a result, they weren't having kids. You're poor. You don't have kids. Like the governments over there aren't helping you raise your kids. They're not giving you, there's no welfare.

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Yeah, it's it's it's he's moving the you know, I'm saying he's moving the cups with the with the you know, and in the end, he's saying, if you just let me keep going, I wouldn't have it wouldn't have collapsed at all. I would have made the money back. I would have stopped. That's what that's what everybody that runs a Ponzi scheme says.

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Yeah, there's no fucking food stamps. You just don't have kids. So there was decades where they just weren't having kids. And now the problem is now they start having kids again. Well, let's say right now you say, okay, well, let's start having kids. Great. It's 20 years before they're working. The problem's happening right now. People are retiring right now. It's shrinking now.

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If you start having kids now, the economy's completely collapsed by the time you have kids that are ready to work.

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And that's the 23rd year, so that's 2050, 2060. What is it in 2080? It's collapse. There's tons of people that are retired. And there's not enough people working. And those people that are working, let's say you say, well, to pay for these people care, let's tax the shit out of them. So we tax the shit out of them. So now there's that middle class that has kids. They're poor.

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They don't have kids anymore. So it compounds the problem because they're not having kids anymore. You basically have to pay them to have kids. And if you go right now to Japan and stuff, they're paying people to have kids. We'll give you free health care. We'll give you like they're desperate to have children. The Japanese are allowing mass immigration into their country.

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They don't like anybody, by the way. So they're allowing anybody to come because their whole population is shrinking and they're old. The old people are retiring and these fuckers are living. These people live a long time and they need things that they don't have enough of a working class to provide. It's an issue. Do you ever watch those videos where you can buy a house in Japan?

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There are brand new houses you can buy for $4,000, $5,000, $10,000. I didn't know that. Oh, my God, bro. You got to watch this. You could go right now. They've got guys that have YouTube channels where they're just renovating. They're going and getting a house for 10 grand. That's 2000 square feet. And they're renovating the whole house.

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And they're like, you understand that this entire that not the entire country, but that throughout the entire country, there are just abandoned houses. Somebody died. They had no children. They had no heirs. The house is abandoned. And the city takes the house back and they sell it. Who are we going to sell it to? Nobody wants to buy the house. Why? Because housing is so cheap.

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If I just had a couple good months, I could have made all that money back. Yeah, I understand. But for the last four years, you've been lying to people. Yeah.

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You're just giving me something I have to renovate and keep up. What am I going to do? I can't rent it. The population is shrinking. We got plenty of houses. So foreigners are coming in and they're letting them come on in. Come on in. Where it used to be not the case at all. No, of course.

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You couldn't immigrate to... If you were a black guy and you wanted to immigrate to Japan, that's not happening. An American, absolutely not. You want to come over from Germany or... Fuck you. These people are extremely racist.

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They need that. The only thing I can think that might help that... is robots, because now robots could take care of these old people. Robots can do things much, much cheaper. If I can buy a doctor, I can buy a doctor, the best doctor around for 30 grand, and I can finance them, or nurse. Do you know what my mother's nursing care was?

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She's in a nursing home, had her own private nurses, which my sister paid for out of my mother's savings and retirement. It was like $150,000 and change. to have 24-hour care for my mother. And she, of course, paid for her condo, was paid for in the retirement home. Can you imagine? It's roughly a couple hundred thousand dollars to take care of your mother nonstop if she needs to be retired.

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You've been paying new investor, or you've been paying old investors with new investor money, or you've been borrowing out of the new investor money to pay the old investors, or you've been borrowing from funds that, you know, a Ponzi scheme typically means that you're taking new investors' money and you're paying dividends to old investors.

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That's if you don't want to do it. Well, I thought, what if I could just buy a Tesla robot for $30,000? He doesn't need a break. He doesn't work 40 hours a week. He works 24 hours a day, seven days a week.

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You don't even have to monitor because in 10 years, they will be so good. At what they're doing. I mean, yeah, you could monitor it, but I mean, they will be truly, truly like the best nurse ever, ever. He'll never get frustrated with your mom. He'll never snap at her. He'll never be spiteful.

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I do because those three women, That were taking care of my mom, they don't get to take care.

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And number three was... Sam Bankman Free is currently in prison. Went to trial because he says he's not guilty. Even though when you lay out exactly what he did... and you listen to him explain what he did, he's 100% guilty. Like he's one of these guys that he's like the, or he's typically the smartest guy in the room. And so nobody questions him.

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I don't think you need supervision. You're not supervising vehicles that are driving by themselves. You don't need supervision in 10 years when these things are amazing. That's... That's my whole thing. This has gone on forever. We're two fucking knuckleheads talking about stuff we know no business talking about. Hence the podcast. Hey, you guys, I appreciate you watching. Do me a favor.

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But they also tend to use it where people are investing in some kind of a fund and you're taking money out of that fund for other reasons. Maybe you're not repaying investors. You're just taking that money out to do anything. Or it's, you know, commingling funds or it's – and he's doing all of that. He's running a Ponzi scheme. He's embezzling funds. He's doing all kinds of things with these.

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He's borrowing against funds that are supposed to be secured. He's doing all kinds of stuff that is completely illegal. There's no one specific scam that he was running.

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And you go, whoa, whoa, whoa. And then you try to explain it, and you're like, I understand what you're saying, but that's not what the operating group did. That's not what happened. Yeah, you're lying. And so he's not used to that because he's running the company. He's surrounded himself by yes-men who were making big money for doing nothing.

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He's good for it, bro. He's good for it. Look at the guy's hair. A guy with hair like that.

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If he doesn't get any time knocked off?

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Yeah. No. Or if he doesn't get any time knocked off. No, no. You're thinking 15% off. I'm saying he's allowed to get up to another like 30% off because of the first step act.

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So the first step act says that if you program, you can earn, it's like, I don't know what it is, 20 or 30% off. It's toward halfway house. But the problem thing is you get the halfway house or home confinement. So you leave, they put an ankle monitor on you and you're allowed to basically live your life. I'm allowed to go to the grocery store. I'm allowed to go to work.

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I'm allowed to go to church. I'm allowed to go to the gym. you know, like while I'm on my, so I could do five or 10 years. So he might end up doing 15 years or maybe 14 years on 25. Because he's, whatever it is, he's going to get, he's been locked up like four years, right? Two years. Yeah. Yeah. Two years.

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I think he was out on bond for six months or a year before they yanked his bond for just being stupid.

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I believe he's, he's, he's appealing.

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I'm shocked that like, Oh, here's the thing. I know guys that have spent six, seven years in a, like the Marshall's holding, uh, the Marshall's holdover, uh, while they're fighting their case. But typically what happens is they move them almost immediately. Now in his case, he may have made, he got found guilty, sentenced.

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And in his case, his lawyers may have petitioned or made a motion to judge saying, can you please hold him here so we have access to him? Because if you move this guy to Coleman, Florida, or you move him, you know, you move him to Talladega, like we're in New York, your honor. If he gets moved to Lompoc, California, how are we going to be able to work with this guy?

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So he then went to trial and once again thought, oh, I can spin it. I'll be able to get this. Goes to trial, loses, gets 25 years. Now he's in prison. I believe he's probably appealing his case, which is another mistake. Because on a large case, there's always going to be issues, right? Appealable issues.

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These lawyers are just—and his family, I'm sure, no doubt, is raising money from friends and relatives. So these guys are—we're a normal lawyer. If you're a public defender, they're like, yeah, yeah, just send him to prison because we don't want to have to deal with this guy all the time. But these lawyers are billing the shit out of him.

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So they're like, I'll spend the next four years visiting this guy. Because every time I go, it's a couple thousand dollars here, a couple thousand dollars there. I go there. I spend three hours. I bill $2,000. And then I go back and I work on all this stuff. I'm billing $600 an hour. I'm making $5,000 to $6,000 a day with this guy being close.

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And he, of course, is constantly saying, when are you going to come back again? So he wants me to keep coming back. So that's going to drag this whole thing out. But if he gets moved to Coleman, I'm doing this all on a phone call. I'd rather not do it on a phone call.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And the family. Yeah. I was going to say the family too. They're not able to see him as much. They don't need that pressure. And the lawyers are constantly telling them like, yeah, once we file this motion or I feel good about this, or this is a good argument. This is the truth is they know. They know. He's done, bro. You got 25 years. You're a billion dollars.

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Peace. I'm out of here. Back to you, Matt.

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I'm now looking at the rest of my life in prison.

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Well, can we start at the beginning? Just start where you were born, how you ended up. Okay. In Turkey, right?

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Yeah. How long until your lawyer at the embassy showed up?

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Did you have any, I mean, did you realize like when the guy from the consulate comes and he's talking to you, are you still saying like, what kind of time am I looking at? Like, I mean, at what point do you realize In the movie, they discuss like, look, well, there's possession and there's trafficking. Like you want to be charged with possession. You get three or four years, you'll be fine.

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That's pretty much what happened.

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Well, when you, so I don't know how accurate the film, the film is. but there were a couple of characters that are kind of like your buddies hanging out with you. And initially you get like four years and you're just kind of sticking it out. You're like, eh, I'm gonna stick it out. That's how it seemed. Well, not at first.

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That's a great scene, by the way. And what you just portrayed is very well portrayed in the movie. It happens right away. But it's funny. A lot of the scenes that you're – things you're describing, they – it's not quite – In the movie, the chronological order is different because I'm sure they have to consolidate and it has to be more streamlined.

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I mean, at what point, so in the movie, you get whatever, you get four years and change, right? And then at some point, like, I don't know if this is, this was, to me, killed me. Because as you know, your time's etching away and it's, you know what I'm saying? I know. And then you get close to it. And then suddenly you're like, I'm out of here in like 45 days. I had a calendar. Yeah.

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I get so caught up in this shit. It's been 50 years. He showed up. He knew, he knew you were going, he knew there's no way this, this gets, I convinced him to, I coaxed him into staying for the past three or four years here, but I know damn well, he's not dying. He's not going to be able to die. He brought me a photo album.

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More like 50. Yeah, yeah. Or whatever you're going to get. They're still giving guys 15 and 20, 20, 25 years for a $10 crack rock. Yeah. What are you doing? This is some kid that grew up in the projects. He's selling crack to, you know, on the corner and you just give him 20 years? Yeah.

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Stop me when you need me to move on. They have a- No, no, you're good. I mean, I wonder, you know, people listening to this, like to me, I'm- To me, in prison, they have count. Like at 4 o'clock, everybody gets counted.

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And when you're saying the night bed check, I'm assuming – because I'm picturing the unit I was in, and I'm thinking of the CO sitting – the correctional officer sitting in his office at the end of this – huge room where all our beds are. You have to basically get past him to get out of the unit. Not that you could in federal prison. The doors are locked. There's multiple layers of doors.

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But anyway, I mean, it's like as you're saying this, I do have a couple of questions I want to ask. Yeah. Can I ask real quick? I was going to wait till the end.

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No, no. I'm following it. And I like that it's different than the movie. Your version, you're giving better details because some of the stuff didn't make sense. So, for example, in the movie, you've got – I want to say, is it Dennis Quaid? Not Dennis Quaid. It's his brother who plays – Randy Quaid. Randy – he's great. Crazy but great, yeah.

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And he plays crazy in the – oh, he's crazy in real life too. Yeah, he is, unfortunately. So – he and another guy another great actor um brad davis john hurt uh yeah that was this is the one in the back where you guys i i want to feel like it's like a restroom area where you guys cut out the blocks yes and go down i i was always wondering if that one if it was a re if that is a real thing

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And two, the catacombs in the movie, this is a bad scene. It's not good the way they set it up. Because you guys go down there and you're wandering around, which one I can't imagine it was as large and clear and clean as it looked in the movie. But two, you guys are wandering around down there and I guess you can't figure out a way out of this whole thing.

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And then you get... But in the movie, it doesn't show that. It just shows you... It clips from... The cut is you guys wandering around like, how can we get out of here? And the next thing you know, you're back in the prison. And apparently someone has figured out that these blocks have been removed. And then they grab... They start grabbing you guys. Yeah. I'm wondering what happened there.

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Like, it's not a great transition.

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You know, I've optioned the life rights to probably six different guys' life rights, right? You always have this. It's always that, you know, of course, I've written several books and I've written a lot of synopses, right? So, you know, synopses are like 10 or 12,000 words. You know, they're about double the size of a Rolling Stone magazine true crime article. They tell the story.

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Yeah, they tell the story. They're good. Basically, you could easily turn it into a script. So what's funny is I'll always get these guys because, of course, I would have them attach their life rights to the project because I'm not spending three months or two months writing your story so I can then get out, promote it. Some producer talks to you, and then he runs with it. No.

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So they always did the same thing, always the same thing. Well, what if they change it? Well, I want to be able to have controls like stop it.

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nobody is going to dump 40 million dollars or 80 million dollars into a movie about your life and then have you doing things like wait that's not exactly how it happened or my car wasn't gray it was silver or like those little details that mean so much to you don't mean anything and they don't work your your movie your 300 page book is about 20 hours of screen time

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I tell people all the time, you just have to walk away. I tell people when they're talking to me, I'm like, listen, bro, you're going to have to walk away because I'm just going to keep talking. You're not going to have to see me.

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They have to consolidate that into two hours. And they're going to have to remove and conflate many, many stories that you're not going to be happy with. That's what my agent told me.

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So how did you escape? I interrupted you with my question.

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So you had to wait for a storm. You knew they had rowboats. You knew they tied up during the storms. Yeah.

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I had heard of the movie Midnight Express, so I just watched it for the first time. I do have a lot of questions, but is it possible that, you know, you could maybe just explain and I could ask as we go along if that's not too... I can, I can, yeah, anything you like.

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Real quick, in the movie, you were with your girlfriend.

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No, I am wondering. So when you fly back, you said you flew back and there's just there's tons of like, did you realize when you were did you realize you were flying back and that your story had hit like the media and. Well, what I knew was Long Island newspaper, Newsday.

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Um, I mean, what did you do? What industry did you go into? Did you continue to write?

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Did you realize at that moment, like, I'm in a lot of trouble? Like, this is a big, big deal here.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah. I was going to say I've had a guy that. You know, I was talking to it at the gym one time that knew me beforehand. And he he had said, well, you've really turned this into something, haven't you? And I said, well, I said, I mean, I you know, you got two choices. You can run from it or you can lean into it. And I said, you know, so I decided everybody else I know in prison is is there.

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They're planning on they're getting out and they're going to run from it. what got him into prison. And I said, I'm just not gonna do that.

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And yeah, I get the same way. Yeah.

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What does that carry?

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Right, the host.

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Yeah, I was going to say the host thing, you'd be a great host for. And it sounds like very, very similar. My favorite kind of like true crime documentary series is Locked Up Abroad. They did my version. Oh, did they? So you've seen those? That's probably the best. Those are probably the best. You know, they've got some that are super cheesy. They do a really good job for, you know. No, no.

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That's what I've seen.

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I love the reenactments. I love the way they cut it with the they do a great job cutting in with the real the subjects, you know? Yeah.

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Hey, you guys, I really appreciate you watching. Do me a favor, hit the subscribe button, hit the bell so you get notified of videos just like this. Also, we're gonna leave Billy's social media links in the description box. And I'm gonna ask him if he has a link to the website that sells his hemp product. If he does, I'll leave that in the link also. Once again, really appreciate you watching.

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Thank you very much. Please share the video, hit like, subscribe. Thank you, see ya.

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You had been caught and I asked if you realize how, you know, how serious the charges were. So they caught you. They asked you a bunch of, asked you your name and everything. So now you've got to be, you're actually incarcerated at this point. How long before you go in front of a judge?

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The Real Story Behind "The Midnight Express" | Billy Hayes

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You ever read a headline and think, wait, that's not what I read earlier. Or hear a story that was covered two totally different ways and think, I wonder which one's telling the truth. We all know the news can be biased. Algorithms push stories that they think you want to see. And some outlets spin stories to fit a certain agenda.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. I'm sorry, what did this guy do for a living?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, okay. But like at 18, that's a, that's a, that's huge. Yeah. Yeah. At 18. Yes.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I was gonna say bringing it up could just spark another instant, another, another incident, you know? So I get not bringing it up.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Real quick, how did you find out that he was cheating on you?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, it helps dull the pain, you know?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What happened with the other guy?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You said you heavily depended on what?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Okay. Sorry. I didn't know.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Your mom didn't, I thought you said like you were living with your mom. She didn't notice you were pregnant.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You need to get that?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Isn't it expensive? I mean,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So that already sounds bad.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That just the idea of it already is like, Whoa, this is this is a problem.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I have a question like one, like I'm you're saying you were presented. So this is somebody that you're dealing with that's supplying you. Is this a I mean, and how is that? How do you even broach that subject? They make it sound like, oh, it's not a big deal. They put it in the compartment that they've already paid the guard. You drive right through. It's no big deal. We do it all the time.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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There's no risk. I mean, is it like that or is it like, listen? There's a damn good chance you're going to get caught and go to jail.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Okay. You went to Mexico with, you brought your kids with, okay.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Okay, but at this point, is the drug already packed? I mean, is the truck already packed with drugs?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Okay, right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Nobody's going to touch that truck. Like, they've got people watching the truck. They've got... I've spoken with lots of people where they just... It's very common for them to... You drop a vehicle off. Somebody picks it up. They bring it back three days later. It's packed. It'll sit there for overnight, maybe two days. You get in it. You drive back.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But they have so many people watching those vehicles and just watching. Nobody's stealing from cartel members in those areas. They're so under control. And everybody's on the take.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, I don't think anybody would realize how connected they are. And, you know, especially in the state of mind that you're in, you know, you're a drug addict. You're only focused on, you know, maintaining... you know, keeping feed or food in your kid's mouth and maintaining your habit.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And, and honestly, that's probably why they packed the truck because they didn't want you to know, because you will be less nervous. You won't be as suspected going through. You're not going to raise any red flags. You think, you think your job is in two days when you bring money here, but really your job is just driving across the border and you didn't realize it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So I can see from their perspective that,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So, well, I'm sorry. I was just going to say it's, it's sometimes the, you know, like it's, it's funny how those, the worst thing that could possibly happen to you at the moment is very possibly the best thing that could have happened to you in your life. And it just, you know, it takes time to figure that out.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It was the next transition of your life. It wasn't the one you were hoping for at that moment.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That's a lot. Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I was gonna say where you fell on the sentencing guidelines.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, I love it when they say, but if you plead guilty, they'll knock off the right to guilty in a timely manner, they'll knock off three levels.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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yeah i was gonna say if you were in florida georgia or something like that or south carolina like they they you're probably going to get 15 years you're going to get the you're going to get the low end of the guidelines so it's just 180 months in your case that's it's 15 years

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Easy for people to visit. It's nice to be close.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. Very mom thing to say.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right there. Right. Immediately.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, you drove a car across the border. I know. I mean, I actually, my wife has a friend that same thing. Same exact thing. It was a car full of meth, drove it across the border, got popped. She got, I don't know, my wife's not here, but I think she got three or four years. Same thing, but same thing. When she first got caught, it was massive.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But when they really look into it and they start to realize... No, this person was just a mule. They don't know anything. They don't know. They're not a part of the system. They're not a part of the conspiracy as much as they're just a transport. That's like erecting that, especially in your case. At least in her case, she was conscious that there were drugs in the vehicle.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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In your case, you'd been duped. Not that you wouldn't have driven it across.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But you didn't. You didn't know.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You're just holding people accountable.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I took it twice. Oh, never passed it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, it'll make you it will make you good at manipulating. If you're not good, if you're not going in, you are great at it coming out. Like, I really felt like I learned a lot in that program.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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not manipulating because I was already super manipulative. Just, I think, I think it really helps you figure out how to categorize people. You know, the problem with you and me and, and my wife and most of the people I know that went in the program, you know,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It was never difficult because the bulk of the people going in that program, like I used to say, look, you know, they're just trying to get these guys to eat with silverware and say, please. And thank you. So the first, so it was hard for them at the first couple of phases. It was that third phase where they come for the people that are already civilized.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know, that was like that third phase is horrible. And I dropped out of the third phase both times. Oh, really? Well, because by the time I was – real quick because I don't want to make it about me, although I almost always do. I was really only went in the program because by the time I had gotten my sentence reduced twice. So by the time my second reduction hit –

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I was so close to the door going to the program. I didn't get the year off. Like I was going to get a couple months off and it was really just cutting into my halfway house. So I only really went in the program to keep myself at the prison because I was just like you, you were 20 minutes away. I was one hour away from, from where my mom lived and I didn't want to get moved.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So I went in the program to keep myself there. And then as soon as they put like a management variable on me, I dropped out. But it took months. So it was like six months. So the second time, then they told me it was going to be on for a year. And I figured I'll be in a halfway house by then. Three months later, they took it off me.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So I immediately, they were like, yeah, we're shipping you to a camp. And I said, no, no, no, no. Listen, I got a problem. I made a mistake dropping out. I have a major problem. I can't be released like this. I can't stop thinking about drugs and crime. And I got to go back to the program. So I went back in and convinced them that I'd made a mistake to let me back in. They let me back in.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Nine months. No, I was in there about eight months just before. Like when I dropped out the second time, they were like, what are you doing? What are you doing? You're about to graduate. I was like, ah, listen. I said, it's better I drop out now. I said, we both know. Keep in mind, I used to fuck with the doctor, all of them so much because I didn't need the year.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And I remember I said, listen, we both know I'm coming back. I'm going to need that year the next time. And they go, don't say that. Let's just be honest. So anyway. I dropped back out. And honestly, within about two months, I was in a halfway house.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like it didn't change anything for me. But I actually liked being in the program because everybody was very nice. You know, they have to be nice. All the inmates are on their best behavior.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I was gonna say, you weren't being present in the program. You had entitlement issues.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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My wife will say, we'll use those terms every once in a while. She'll say, she'll, she'll do the whole, Oh, you're suffering from super optimism or you're suffering from it. Cause she went through it too. And I would just, you know, I I'm like, don't, don't, don't do that. She's like, Oh, you know, you've got entitlement issue. You know, it's so funny.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He's a shitty DTS. I'm not, he's just awful.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They're listening to your phone calls. The guy who was ready to get released and had been carrying on a relationship with a woman or two women, and one of the women had sent him money, and I mean a lot of money, $2,000, $3,000 so he could walk out of prison with two or three grand. And they said, you're manipulating both of these women.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You need to return the money and you need to tell both of them about the other woman. Or you could just spend another year in prison.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So he had to call them both up and explain the situation to both of them. They both lost it, had to send the money back, the whole thing. I mean, you know, it was it was. But here's the thing. They, they, you know, the, those, the DTSs and the doctors, like the doctor that ran the program in Coleman, her name was Dr. Smith. Like, listen,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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not always, but almost always, like she could just cut right through, see right through you. I mean, she, for me, she could see right through me. She could cut straight. I mean, she just, listen, I don't think I ever walked into her office without coming out in tears every single time. Horrible, horrible and manipulative. Like she had some, she definitely had some untitled miniatures, but,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Um, but yeah, it was, uh, I, I, I really, you know, I'm glad I went to that program. Um, you know, I, I like, I, I thank God I didn't need to pass.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know, if I needed a pass, I think I would have had a drastically different experience. I would have been, you know, cause everybody else was just scared all the time. They're always scared. They're always on edge. It was just, it was agony for most people, but luckily it I didn't need to be there. I didn't need the year. And I thought worst case scenario is I get recycled. I'm okay with that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And it was because of that cavalier attitude, I really sailed right through it. And I did virtually nothing. Like my assignments, I almost did no assignments. You're supposed to take all these classes to teach you how to do things. I would actually took my sheet and just sign the name over the guy's name who's supposed to sign you in. Or I never signed in.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I would sign in maybe once and never sign in again and just acted like I went. I mean, I just blew and it just nothing seemed to be catching up with me. We'd catch up with other guys. Oh, I see that you skip. You didn't go last week. And I'm thinking I've never gone. How are they getting him? I've never gone.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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My books, they never checked my books, even though they would check everybody else's books. They would just never check mine because I think the first couple of phases, they felt, they felt like Cox has got this down. He's going to sail through. We'll get him on the third phase. But I kept dropping out of the third phase because they would pull me apart.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. I saw guys that were just – they just tear them apart.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know, I also I think it's good that to know if you know those things about you, you can stop some. There are times when you can stop yourself and say, wow, am I being selfish right now? Like, is that a selfish thing for me to have said? Or, you know, wow, you know what? I'm going to stop here because.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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that's super narcissistic and that's a real problem for me or I'm being overly arrogant or I'm not being kind to this person. So if you know those things about you, I'm not saying you can fix them all the time, but you can at least address them and sometimes stop yourself and say, wow, you know what? Where I definitely was not prior to prison, that wasn't even a consideration.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I wouldn't have even considered asking you about yourself. The entire time I was talking to another person and listening to them, I was only waiting for an opportunity to talk about myself. I don't know what you just said. There were times on the street I would talk to somebody for 30 minutes. And walk away, and I didn't know anything about that person.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I wasn't even paying attention to what they were saying. I couldn't recall half of what they were saying, but I was really just waiting for an opportunity to interject something about myself in that conversation. Which is still an issue, but at least now I know it. Or I can try and work on it. Obviously, you got stuff out of the program.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You may not have been happy with being there, but you clearly did.

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And you got a year off.

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Did your did your parents find out about that?

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Seven months and six months. I mean, you got something. That's a

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On the, on the down low, which is not easy.

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That's not the time to shine. The time to shine is before you get to that point.

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I appreciate you being interviewed, coming on the show, I guess, even though you're not really on the show, you're sitting in your office. But I do appreciate you spending this time and going through everything and going through the story. Uh, if, you know, is there anything else you want to, anything else you could think of?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, it's good there. You know, there were no car chases. You know, there was no shootouts. There was no, you know, not as exciting as, you know, some of the guys. But, you know, it's good. It's good. Yeah, no, it definitely is definitely a situation that you definitely got through. And it's definitely an inspiring story. And, you know, I'm glad things worked out.

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And I'm sure they're going to continue to work out. Hey, I appreciate you guys watching. Do me a favor, subscribe, hit the bell, leave me a comment, and check the description for Megan's LinkedIn. I hope you guys like the podcast, and I really appreciate it. See you.

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Hey, this is Matt Cox and I'm here with Megan racer and we're going to be talking about her story. So check out the interview and do me a favor. If you haven't subscribed, please subscribe, hit the bell. So you get notified and leave me a comment. And if you liked the video, share it. So check out the interview.

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Did your parents have any addiction, like a alcohol problem or anything?

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It was just prevalent. It was just around.

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So let's go ahead and just kind of start from, you know, the beginning, which is like, you know, like where were you born brothers, sisters, you know, parents, were they in the picture or that sort of thing?

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They called it the Stevie Wonder blunder. $187,000 from 15 different clients. Stole $9 million with a fake Alicia Keys concert. Sean White convinces her, sell me your arrow key for $2,000. Are we doing this? Yeah.

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And he's like, well, I can't really tell you my contact with Stevie Wonder. I have back channels to him. And so he's kind of playing games, talking about how like, you know, that information is privy to me, but I can't share that with you. That's the how I make money is because I'm connected to people in the entertainment industry.

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But as far as we're concerned, this show is happening and your next installment payment is going to be coming on its own. They're like, well, all right. The president of the university had contacted me ahead of time, and so we recorded that call where the Sean fellow is kind of doing the song and dance. Like, oh, yeah, no, that money's good. The show's going to happen.

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And so bottom line is we end up arresting Sean and Mark and seizing the vehicle. Sean bought his girlfriend, took it from his girlfriend, and she broke up with him subsequently. And and so these guys had no contact whatsoever with Stevie Wonder.

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It's still to this day unclear to me exactly what the end game was, when there's going to be a stadium full of people stomping their feet, saying Stevie, Stevie. And, you know, he doesn't come out. And but they just took the money and and pissed it away. I mean, Mark Hubbard for the 120 that he got, he just used it to pay down bills that he had. So wait, but it gets a little, there's an epilogue.

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So these guys are both pointing the finger at each other. Sean is saying it was Mark's fault. Mark said he could book Stevie Wonder. Mark is saying, hey, this is your show, Playboy. I got nothing to do with this. And so these two have like now turned against each other. Sean comes in and agrees to cooperate against Mark.

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Sean pleads guilty to his part of this thing and agrees to cooperate against Mark, who got most of the money, even though Sean was the one who initially received the money. and lied to the university president. We're still only talking 200 grand here. Yeah. And so then it comes out that Mark had done this in the past with a fake Alicia Keys concert, which didn't help.

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And while this seems like a relatively... Was he prosecuted on that one? No.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I believe there was a civil suit and he owed people money. That was the problem. See, the... They were taking investors on that one. This one, the actual university was the investor who put a down payment on it. So I believe that was the difference between the two cases. And so Sean cooperates against Mark.

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And so it's always a very good deal for me. So there was a woman in Maui named Jedida Dwarosan. What is that? What's that? Filipina. Okay. Filipina, yeah.

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And oh, I guess the other thing I want to point out, even though this is a relatively short story to tell, and this caused so much problems at the University of Hawaii. The president of the university ended up having to resign in disgrace. I believe the athletic director was put on administrative leave. They called it the Stevie Wonder blunder.

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It was in the news every single night because there's no crime in Hawaii. And anything to do with a celebrity in Hawaii is big news. And anything to do with a university is big news because there's the only game in town. And so it was embarrassing to the university that they screwed this thing up and actually never did any due diligence to find out if Stevie Wonder is really in the link.

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It'd be like you or I just cold calling the university. Yeah. So Sean cooperates against Mark. Mark ends up pleading guilty as a result of that. How much time do Sean and Mark get? So Sean got $80,000 of the money. Right. Mark got $120,000 of the money. Right, but Mark did not... Mark was waiting to the morning of jury selection before he pled guilty. Okay. Yeah, so...

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Okay. Is that... You're good on Sean. Sean cooperates against Mark. He gets two months in prison and then deportation back to England, where he's from. Okay. Because he's not a U.S. citizen. Right. Mark, the judge really threw the book at him. I think because the damage that he caused in this thing far outweighed the 180... 80,000 or whatever, 120,000 bucks that he got.

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He got five years in prison.

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And I think the judge looked at the Alicia Keys concert that never happened and counted that against Mark. What do they call it? Something.

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Relevant conduct.

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I believe it's biblical. Okay. Which, of course, you wouldn't know about. She decided to start soliciting investments from friends of hers and people in her church. She said that she had an inside track to invest money with high guaranteed risk-free yields. She was going to be investing in an oil well and a gold mine in Indonesia. This sounds very solid. Matt Cox, what could go wrong?

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Oh, the other thing he did that really pissed off the judge is he pleads guilty. And then like right before sentencing, he tries to withdraw his guilty plea. He's playing games. That was the perception of the judge. I remember that now because we had to like, we were gearing up for a potentially another trial if the judge granted that, but the judge did not allow him to withdraw his guilty plea.

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And I never got to see Stevie Wonder in concert. No. But then again, he never got to see me.

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Offsetting penalties.

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You ever been under surveillance? Yes. Yes. You feel like you're pretty good at keeping your eye out for surveillance and people following you even to this day? Did it create an impact on you?

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I don't know. About a dozen of her friends and church members and all that all invest. She gets $800,000. Out of a dozen people, she gets $800,000.

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No, no. See, the risk of losing someone like that is that they don't close the case out and say like, well, I guess we're not ever going to get Matt Cox. They begin putting, you know. Trackers, drones, they stop using humans to follow you. Yeah, they're not giving up. I did a lot of surveillance when I was an FBI agent. And it was great.

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When you're an FBI agent, it's fantastic because you have a lot of people usually who are on the surveillance team and you're able to kind of hand off what we call the eye to the next person.

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It is boring, but it's possible to get successful evidence. My point is this. It's really boring because most of the time you're sitting there watching a car that never drives or a door that never opens.

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But once you're actually moving, it's kind of nice because it's almost like a dance where I'm going to follow this guy for two or three blocks and then I'm going to peel off and take a right turn and the next car behind me is going to have the eye on him following that.

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And it's just kind of a very elegant process where the person's never going to see the same car bumper locked behind them for an eight-hour period while they're driving around committing crimes, hopefully. Right. As a private investigator working alone, you're getting burned all the time because you're alone. And you're just hoping that this idiot doesn't look in their rearview mirror.

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But the good news is that most people don't pay very close attention to who's behind them in traffic. I suspect that some percentage of the people watching or listening to the show right now are doing it in their cars. And I would challenge them to think about, without looking in your rearview mirror right now, viewer, who's behind you? And how long has that car been behind you?

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Most people aren't going to know. Got a particular case I want to tell you about. Matt Cox. Okay. Had a dirty prison guard at the local prison in Hawaii, the Halawa Correctional Institute. He was smuggling drugs into the prison.

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We doing this? Yeah.

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Yeah. I mean, some more than others. I think there were a couple of real big fish in there. But again, guaranteed rates of return. This woman's in their church. She would never lie to them.

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He would meet like the girlfriend of the prisoner, take money from her, take drugs from her, bring drugs into the prison, and then bring the drugs to that person and keep the money. All right. All right. I'm told there was some ice and, uh, and he was also smuggling a drug that I did not know existed before that called K2, a synthetic, um, weed.

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You familiar with it? Yes.

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It's not allowed though, right? No. All right. Just making sure I'm not crazy. Okay.

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page 122 they'd spray the page with 122 so you they'd get a book mailed and they could tear out the book and roll up the things and smoke it because it was it was a it was like a a chemical yeah I get it only yeah I mean again this is all news to me but uh this was not my case a a much better looking and smarter agent guy named Jeff Fellman who just retired shout out to Jeff Fellman was the case agent but I was on the squad so I was doing a lot of surveillance in this case so um one of the one of the prisoners had the bright idea to cooperate with the FBI

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And he was going to have his girlfriend on the outside pay Mark, the prison guard, and give him drugs repeatedly in exchange for trying to get a deal for her man on the inside. That make sense? I've seen it happen several times. So she's the one who's really doing the cooperating? Yeah, third party, rule 35.

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It's risk-free money. I mean, it's going to blow up. Well, anyway, I think you're spoiling it a little bit because what actually happened, Matt Cox, is that she did not, in fact, invest the $800,000 in gold mine and oil wells in Indonesia. She paid down her own credit card debt. Which was pretty substantial to her credit. Right.

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Yeah, there you go. And so we were, and this Mark guy was like a bodybuilder, like a steroid guy who would go to Gold's gym every day and work out. And so we knew his schedule because we'd been surveilling him for a while. And I was going to be on surveillance. And the idea was that I was going to take him to a drug deal.

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with this cooperating girlfriend from the gold gym to the cooperating girlfriend see if he stops and picks up drugs or does you're going to follow him yeah okay you said take him but i'm sorry that's how we describe it yeah i mean i'm i'm taking him to work i'm taking him here i'm following him i'm sorry fbi talk and uh and so i'm gonna be following him and uh we got maybe one or two other cars with me it's not a real tight surveillance because we know exactly where he's going to be and when he's going to be there but we wanted to see if he stopped anywhere to pick up dope from someone else right okay so that's the setup

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FBI cars have these amazing walkie-talkie radios in them, like CBs. But they're bouncing off of repeaters. It's a giant, huge piece of machinery in the trunk of the car with the actual thing inside the car that's connected to the electrical system of the car where I can talk and literally talk to someone in Maui or Kauai or really far away because it's a very powerful CB radio in the car. Okay.

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But I'm kind of an idiot when it comes to electronics and stuff like that. So it was a beautiful day in Hawaii, as it often is. I'm sitting there in the mall parking lot, watching the front door of the Gold's Gym, waiting for Mark to come out to go to this drug deal. I turn off my car, but I turn it on so I can have the radio on and have my... the FBI radio, the Bucar radio.

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And I'm talking, and I'm talking to people. And then, and I think, well, I probably start the car. I start the car. The battery is dead. Having the car battery on draining in this powerful radio in the car, the CB drain, my battery dry. Now I'm panicking, right? And I'm like, you know, I look in my trunk. I don't have jumper cables. I look in. I don't have one of those like charge boxes.

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The other agents there, I'm trying to call them on the cell phone. No luck. I'm like, I'm really panicking at this point. I pop the hood to the car. I'm seeing is there anything I can do? No, it's definitely a dead battery. You know, I'm like watching the front door. He's going to be coming out any time from the Gold's Gym. And and so, you know, I call someone I know in the area.

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Can you come over to the mall and jump my car? Yeah, I'm on my way. And and so but then as my relief is going to come to give me a jumpstart who comes walking out. But Mark. Right. Right. With some big muscle head buddy. They see me there with my hood up. walks up to me, he goes, you okay, bro? You need a jumpstart? I should do. I go, yeah, you know, I'm sorry. I'm waiting for my dad.

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He's getting dialysis over there at the dialysis center. And my battery just totally died. And I'm just hoping he doesn't see any FBI shit in my front, you know, in the inside. But the hood's up. We're kind of standing. There's a picture of him on a clipboard. Yeah. Yeah.

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yeah yeah exactly i mean there literally was inside the car and uh and i'm trying to play it cool and i'm like i just don't know what i'm gonna do and uh and he's like i got my truck right here i'll jump start the car dude pulls up to me in front of the car nicest guy in the world jump starts my car i said can i give you anything for this he goes down man just pay it forward he shakes my hand i close the hood he gets in his truck i get in my car i follow him to a drug deal oh my god

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He does the drug deal, takes the dope into the prison. A week later, I go to his house, and I'm doing the search warrant at his house, pulling barrels of cash out of the sock drawers and stuff like that. He doesn't even recognize me.

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It wasn't my case.

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She went on a lot of shopping sprees and she made a deposit on a plot of land in Maui that was not refundable. So she lost like, I think, 200 grand from that. I don't even know how that worked, but... But you had to come up with the rest of the money. By that point, she'd already spent it down.

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Oh, they knew.

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They couldn't believe this occurred. What bad luck? Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I think it's good luck. I mean, you learn not to shut the car off. Well, yeah, it was a teachable moment for me. Yeah, for sure. How much time are you going to give Mark? What was he charged with as far as dope? I don't know. This is where it gets a little fuzzy. I don't think it was a ton.

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Yeah. Basically consider it more contraband. I don't think we ever intercepted any ice going in. It was mostly K2 and contraband and stuff that he shouldn't have. He's taking a lot of money, you know, in the form of bribes. I think that was part of what he was charged with as well. Between three and four. He lost his job. Yeah. Between what? Three and four years. Final answer. Yeah.

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Four years, eight months. At least I'm in four years. You're good.

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Hello, Matt Cox. Oh, gosh.

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You're getting good at this. You're going to knock the cover off the bowl. All right. Have you ever seen the Northern Lights, the Aurora Borealis up north?

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Yeah. I mean, I don't pretend to know the science behind it. I was way up in Canada once and stayed up all night watching it. And it was amazing. It was like a firework show, but pure nature, right?

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So there's a resort up in Alaska, a town called Salcha, Alaska. You ever been to Alaska? No. I mean, I'm thinking of doing an Alaska cruise maybe. Nobody goes on purpose. Maybe do a cruise or something like that. See the mountains, Eskimos, igloos. Salcha, Alaska. Got to figure it's pretty far up high. All of Alaska is. And there was a guy who owned the Old Midway Lodge. A couple, actually.

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Brian Corti and his wife Candy Corti. Candy was a big girl. Not that it matters, but I know you like to paint a visual picture for your viewers.

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No, Northern Exposure. It was a good show. It was a great show, yeah. Yeah, it was a good show. So the Cordys had this idea. It was a brilliant idea. They were going to take this lodge that wasn't really doing very well, that they owned, and they were going to convert it to a marijuana theme park. Where people could come to this lodge, smoke, and then watch the northern lights while high.

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This was going to be their bud and breakfast.

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I think this must have been after it was legalized in Alaska. There's no drug charges in this story. Okay. So it was going to be their Disney weed, and they had this resort plan. And so they go out and begin soliciting investments to fund this fantastic can't-lose idea. Because there is a weed culture in America.

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I know that you're not a user and I'm not a user, but people out there with this opportunity might actually take the trip to go to this Disney weed.

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Non-refundable deposit, exactly. So what happens when these people do not start getting their investment returns? Who do they call? They call the FBI. They call the FBI in Honolulu. And I get the case. So I was pretty new there at the time. It was my first time going to Maui. Pretty good deal, right? So I hop on a little plane, 45-minute flight to Maui, check into the hotel.

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All right. So 22 different investors. Okay. Give him $722,000. Wow.

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Well, here's the thing. They were promised that their money was going to grow 30-fold. Okay. You invest $1,000, you're getting $30,000 back. That's how confident they were that Disney weed would work out. Is this really Disney weed? No, but that's how they're hyping it. Oh, sorry. Disney grass? Disney grass? I think the problem with Disney weed is not the weed part. It's the Disney part.

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That's what's going to get you in trouble. But no, this is their butt in breakfast. Their old Midway Lodge.

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um so they get 722 000 bucks brian and candy are stoked so they take that money and they start using it for to pay down their credit card debt and to go on some vacations candy got to swim with the dolphins uh okay it's a very good deal for candy you have to swim with the dolphins and um but their their theme park never developed right and so the uh So the 30-fold? 30-fold never happened.

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No one got their 30-fold back. In fact, everyone lost their principal investment, $722,000. They might as well have lit it on fire for all the good it did them. So what do they do? They call the FBI, who opens an investigation. The investors. Not my case, the investors. Yeah, investors complain. I was on the receiving ends of a lot of complaints like this.

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This wasn't my case, but investors are very quick to complain. People say, where do you get your cases? I go, the investors. We'll let you know if they got defrauded. And so they bring charges, wire fraud charges against Brian and Candy. Problem's this, and you kind of, we alluded to this earlier in a conversation we had off air. The case against Brian's a slam dunk.

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The case against Candy is less so, right? She's enjoying the money. She's swimming with the dolphins. She's sharing a bed with Brian.

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Brian's the one who's kind of wheeling and dealing and handling all the money and stuff like that. She's just spending it. Right. It's a tough case against her. Yeah. Right. So they decide maybe we can induce a plea by playing. Let's make a deal with Brian. Brian pleads guilty and they drop the charges against candy.

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It's this amazing resort in the ocean. You, the taxpayers, covered that for me because there's no other place to stay. And I go and interview the victims. They all tell me pretty much consistent stories. Get the financial records. Take a look at that. It all checks out. What happened to the money? She's just pissing it away on herself. And so then it's time to go talk to Jed.

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They drop the charges against Candy. I don't know. I'm assuming she stood by her man and waiting for him to get out.

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Brian pleads guilty and negotiates a good deal for candy. How much time are you giving Brian? Two years. Under two years. Two years or under, right? Goddamn, did you look at my notes?

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So that two years seems reasonable. Two years. Yeah. Two years. Then he gets out and it's a tearful reunion with him and candy. Hmm.

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Well, this guy liked to paint houses. Matt, we're about the same age. High school class of 88. You were born in 69. I was born in 70.

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Yeah, about the same age. Remember Fran Tarkington? Fran Tarkington. Tarkington. Boy, that sounds familiar. Fran Tarkington. I can't. Did you have any straight friends growing up? He's an NFL guy. Is he? Yeah, yeah. He was a quarterback for mostly the Minnesota Vikings.

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He played for the NFL for 18 seasons. Phenomenal quarterback. Mostly for the Minnesota Vikings. Here's why you might remember him, though. Nerd. Remember the TV show That's Incredible? Yes. He was one of the hosts of That's Incredible.

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He was also a host of a show that you never watched growing up every now and then called Monday Night Football.

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No. All right. This is going to be lost on you, but I'm sure your viewers will understand. Fran Tarkenton was a huge celebrity. Okay. Think Tom Brady level of celebrity with a very successful career in media after he got out, after he left the NFL.

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His dabbling in white color crime.

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So I go to her house, knock on the door. The Filipinos in Hawaii tend to all have many, many people, extended family members.

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So, yes. Imagine a world where a guy named Fran Tarkenton was a big celebrity.

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And an older man now, probably 80s, maybe 90s. I mean, he was a big deal when you and I were kids. So this happened recently. Yeah. He had one of his daughters married a guy named Craig Allen. And Craig Allen held himself out as an investment advisor. And he told people that he managed money for Fran Tarkenton, his famous father in law.

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Right. So that's kind of getting his foot in the door with potential investors. Hey, if this guy's good enough for Fran Tarkenton, he can certainly handle my money.

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No, no, no, no. They all, they live together is what I'm saying. They like, they have sizable houses because many of them are in the trades and build like extensions on the house and stuff like that. And there's many people living in under the same house who are, you know, family members, type friends, aunties, stuff like that. And, you know, knock on the door. Is Jedidah home?

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So, so Craig had a fund called it the cheetah fund. Yeah. Okay. C-H-E-E-T-A-H, Cheetah Fund. And he said that he was making Fran Tarkenton returns of 40% to 75% a year on his money. And because, you know, the son-in-law is a bit of a champion himself at trading stocks. Yeah, he is. Yeah, it's great.

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And so investors, based on this insane amount of return that he's getting and the connection to Fran Tarkenton, beloved local figure, give him $9 million. Wow. shit. Over, over a course of a few years, a couple of years. Okay. A couple of years. Wow. Um, but you're going to be shocked to learn that he does not in fact invest that money in stocks. Are you sitting down, man?

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He basically moves it into other accounts under his control and then spends it kind of living this lavish lifestyle, uh, purchasing cars, sends his kids to exclusive private schools and just burns through the money. Right. And, um, But he's got to keep this thing alive, right? Or the investors are going to start complaining. You need to borrow more money.

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Well, he sends them quarterly statements showing that their investments are going gangbusters and doing really well with no basis in reality. He's creating these quarterly statements at home on his computer. But people are getting it. Why would you take your money out if you're making that kind of returns? But eventually some guys need money. It happens.

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He's also sending them fake tax documents showing their capital gains and dividends that they're earning. And these people who invested the money are filing federal income taxes based on the 1099-INT documents that he is sending them that have no basis in reality. Mm-hmm. Right. So problems on top of problems on top of problems.

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Took a couple years before all the money was gone, and people started needing money for this or that. Hey, I want to move, you know, put an extension to the house. I'd like to take out 700,000 bucks. And he starts ghosting them. And he's not returning their calls. He's, you know, I'll get back to you. Oh, yeah, I'll get right on it. And so excuses after excuses after excuses.

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Then at one point, he sends an email out to all the people who are complaining, saying, I can't deal with this right now because I need to go to rehab. And you'll be surprised to learn, Matt Cox, that did not give them a sense of comfort that their money was safe. He's like, chill out. Got to go to rehab. We'll deal with this when I get back. So the investors call the FBI.

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who launched an investigation. They assigned forensic accountants to it as well as agents to kind of take a look at the inflows and outflows of money to learn the truth that this money was not, in fact, invested in stocks. It was just pissed away by Fran Tarkenton's son-in-law. And to do that, what, they go to a judge, they get subpoenas, they get all the records?

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Yeah, you don't need to go to a judge. Now, the U.S. Attorney's Office administers the federal grand jury subpoena process. When I needed subpoenas in my cases, I would go to the AUSA, the federal prosecutor, and say... hey, I need a subpoena for this bank, that bank, and that bank. Here's a Word document. This is what I want you to write on the subpoena. They would issue that to me.

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I would serve it on the bank. Six weeks later, sometimes as little as three weeks later, I would get the bank documents, and we'd begin getting to work, kind of scheduling that out and figuring out what happened to the money that this guy took in. And in this case, it was pretty clear. And I also want to be clear, Fran Tarkenton did nothing wrong.

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Right, his lousy son-in-law. I don't even know that Fran Tarkenton trusted his money with this bum.

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How much money are you going to give this guy, though? How much time?

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Nine million. Gone.

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Gone. Not a penny. I don't even think it was Ponzi'd back.

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No, she's not here right now, which kind of sucks, right? I hate it when they're not home because then you immediately have to make a decision.

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Right, right. Just unwinding this, the inconvenience. These people have got to go to the IRS and file amended tax returns now.

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But yeah, I would say eight or nine, but you're saying seven. Yeah, I don't know if he had a substance abuse problem or if the rehab thing was just an excuse. That was never really in any of the court documents. I would probably... If he had a substance abuse problem, I would probably... knock off a year or give him RDAP? Well, you give him a break for the substance abuse problem.

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Do I leave my business card? And then the next thing you know, I'm getting a call from a criminal defense attorney. Or do I slink away and just kind of come back later? Right. And this time I left a business card because this case is going to get made with or without Jedidah. Right. She's done.

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The use of illegal drugs for you is a way to reduce the sentence, not to increase it.

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You're saying that – this is interesting to me because I don't necessarily agree. The sentencing judge should give him a discount on his sentence if he is a drug addict, if he made the choice to use illegal drugs, became addicted, and then stole money.

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But isn't that accounted for through the drug treatment program, the RDAP program in the Bureau of Prisons where you'll get your discount on your sentencing? You're saying that he should almost get double credit for being an addict?

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That's an interesting perspective.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I get it. I'm not saying a lot. I mean, it's not a crazy position. It's just it's counterintuitive for most people. Most people would be like, well, it's your problem. Or, you know, no one forced you to use powder. That's true. It's an explanation, not an excuse, I think most people would say. I think, you know, and I don't have a drug.

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So I leave my business card and I drive over to like Maui Mall to kind of kill some time. And then I get a call on the cell phone and it's Judita. Can I help you, sir? Judita, I need to talk to you. Can you meet me somewhere? Can I come back over the house? It's a little crowded here. A lot of family living here. Why don't I meet you somewhere?

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Well, if it was that easy. No, no, no. Again, I'm not saying that there's not such a thing as addiction. Right. I'm saying that it becomes a real slippery slope, a moral hazard to be giving people a pass on the things they do that harm others just because they happen to have been high at the time.

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the moral hazard I'm talking about.

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You can go to ARDA. I feel like, though, in that world, in this Matt Cox universe, where you get this great discount for being a drug addict, there's all the incentive in the world for me to run a Ponzi scheme. And then right when it's about to collapse, to shove as much powder as possible up my nose. And you're going to get a little bit of time off for that. In this Matt Cox world of justice.

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I always appreciate your perspective on these things. You are the king of law and order.

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Interesting. I always appreciate your perspective on these things. You ever known a dirty lawyer?

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Yeah? Yeah. Were these people that you were kind of in the mix with on some of your own frauds?

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There's a restaurant chain, very popular in Hawaii called Zippy's. It's like a Denny's. It's like a Denny's if Denny's serves Spam. Okay. And Spam's a real delicacy. I know. It's a big thing. They eat it unironically. And so we go to Zippy's. We get a table. Got to order something. Plate of fries. We're going to share a plate of fries and some ketchup.

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Did you ever know any attorneys who got charged with fraud type crimes? In prison, yeah. If I didn't know him on the outside, I knew him in prison. Do you think the judge slammed them harder for being lawyers? Kind of like the you should have known better thing we discussed earlier?

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They didn't like that at all. That is a problem. I investigated a lawyer in Chicago who all of his law clients were Polish immigrants who were injured on the job and needed an attorney to help file a workman's compensation claim. Okay. The attorney's name, and I wish I was making this up, was William Malarkey. His name was William Malarkey. That's perfect.

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And a lot of Polish people in Chicago, a lot of right off the boat Polish people in Chicago who spoke very little English. But William Malarkey had some Polish translators on his staff, legal secretaries and stuff like that. So he would file these workman's compensation claims for his Polish clients who got hurt on the job. A lot of construction workers threw out their back or whatever.

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And he would, in the settlement checks, he would end up settling these cases. And the settlement checks go to the attorney's office. Yes. He takes out his piece. He gives you the rest. In the perfect world, he would take out his piece and give you the rest. But in William Malarkey's world, what he did was broke it very gently to his Polish immigrant clients that they lost the case.

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And he kept the money for himself. Oh.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That's horrible. I know, these nice people. And they were the nicest people in the world as victims. I don't know, I lost the case. My attorney said it was... $187,000 from 15 different clients. Oh, these are small cases. Well, or maybe he's not really working super hard to negotiate these things and get the best settlement possible. But $187,000. Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And eventually, a couple of the Polish people realize that there's a problem here. And they contact the ARDC, the Attorney Registration and Disciplinary Commission for the state of Illinois, who does their own little internal investigation. You won the case. Yeah, right. Yeah, yeah. To take his law license away. And then I get the criminal case against him. Right. So interview the Polish people.

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Nice people. They tell me their stories. Take a look at the documents. Take a look at how the negotiation actually went.

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And prove it up. And so then it comes time to interview William Malarkey. And, uh, no longer a lawyer. Right. Because it's really, when you do that to your clients, it throws a real wet blanket on your law practice. Right. And so at this point he's selling used cars.

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And, uh, perfect at a new car lot, Chevy place. And, uh, and so I go to the Chevy place, uh, and, uh, posing as a customer, uh, with another dude, another agent, young agent and say, uh, And go to the front desk lady and say, I'm supposed to want to see if I can buy a car. Is William Malarkey here? And they're like, yeah, he's working right now. Hey, Bill, come over here.

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And he all smiles, comes up. Hi, Bill, good to meet you. And I and I and I go, come over here. I'll show you something. And so we go to a car and I go, hey, man, my name's Tom. I'm an FBI special agent. I do not want to get you in trouble here. Let's go on a test drive together. Yeah. And he's like, what? And I go, I go, I go, I got to talk to you.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And I go, but I don't want you to get you in trouble. I was trying to get you fired. Yeah, exactly. You got to, you got to eat. Let's go get in a used car and go for a drive. And so, so, okay. And so we, he gets the keys to some shabby Equinox or whatever, and we get in it. We, uh, you know, Other agents in the back. I'm in the passenger seat. Bill's driving for some reason.

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And I interrogate her right there at the booth. And this is just you? Is there somebody else with you? I had to bring someone with me. I was doing a new agent. Okay. No, no, no. There's two agents stationed in Maui. I had another agent with me just kind of doing a ride along. He knew nothing about the case. He's just there in case I keel over.

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And I go, just drive a couple blocks and pull over. And it was like a mob hit. And pull over and put it in Parkville. And so I re-identify myself. Say, listen, you're not under arrest. You're free to leave at any time. I always tell them that because then I don't have to Mirandize them because they're not in custody. And walked him through it. And this is what I'm investigating.

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I'd like to hear your side of the story. Yeah, you know, it got away from me. He needed money. Practice wasn't going so well. These are immigrants. Oh, no, no. My job's not to shame him. No. No, I'm not kidding. You're laughing. But my job is not to shame him.

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I think he feigned an appropriate amount of compassion for them. But again, you've got to see the world through his eyes. This is the empathy versus sympathy thing. I don't have any sympathy at all for this guy. But I can certainly have empathy for him and try to understand that no one is a villain in their own life story.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He sees himself as someone who is a victim of the financial circumstances of his life, who is doing something to keep his head above water that he would one day make right. And that was basically the line that I threw him, and he latched onto it and said that that was the problem. He was having financial problems.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He was going to try to make it right to these people, but then one thing led to another. You get to your sixth, seventh, eighth, ninth. By the time you're on your 12th guy that you ripped off, you've got to keep rolling at that point because someone's got to pay the light bills. And so he was nice enough there in a – like new Chevy to sign the confession.

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Absolutely, absolutely. And the reason it's so important to me to get the confession from these people, even though I can prove the case in a financial crime without it, It's because it supercharges the case through the criminal justice system. At that point, I don't need to kind of like follow all the money and figure out, you know, how, which credit card was he paying down?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What was he buying with this credit card and all that? I can just package that case up, bring it to the U.S. Attorney's Office with the signed confession on the front page and then the interviews with the victims and the limited financial analysis. And it rises to the top of the heap because the U.S.

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Attorney's Office, the federal prosecutors, know that they're not going to have to waste the taxpayers' money taking this one to trial. This one is a plea. My confessions are all solid. They're never overturned. Right. How much time are you going to give? Under two years. William Malarkey. Two years. Two years is your guess? Yeah. Man, you must have hacked my computer.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, because I was wondering too, you're knocking on the door. Like there's always two agents. Yeah, yeah. It was me and an agent named Steve who, who stationed in Maui. And I said, you don't even need to know about the case. Just be there, be there and avenge me if she kills me. I asked her about the investment. She's kind of going on and on about this went wrong and that went wrong.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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24 months in prison is what he got. Why do you think he got, uh, I'm thinking cause he was a lawyer, right? Yeah.

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Oh, without question. Yeah. Yeah. So I walked into this thinking that he could even walk away with probation, but, but the fact that you have this many victims, vulnerable victims, and then the lawyer thing, the judge went bananas over the idea that an attorney, a member of the bar, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, profession just threw the book at him.

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We're talking about other guests on the show. I'm a jealous man. I want to be your one and only, Matt.

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Yeah, let's hope.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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This is right. Okay, go ahead.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And I said, stop, listen. And I go, you took the money and you spent it on yourself. And I go, maybe you thought that something would come through, but you told these people you were going to be investing their money in gold and an oil well. And when you get their money, you do something different with the money. You pay down your credit card debt. And she said, yeah, but I had other ways.

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So when you're in prison, you don't know what the fellow inmates are in for.

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And he's arguing at trial. It's not like he's an appellate guy.

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I was going to maybe pay them back later. And they just got impatient and just a lot of excuses.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, it's always their fault. And I said, I get it. I get it. There's no way on God's green earth you went into this with the intent to steal their money. But after you realized you had the money, then maybe you took a look at your life and took a look at the tremendous financial hardship that you've been facing lately and

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Yeah, the Orlando lawyer's got an issue.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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The paralegal, the Bar Association is saying the same name again and again and again.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So the question is— Is there an attorney with that name in Chicago?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It comes out. So James Keegan Sr. is the brilliant guy. Junior is this moron.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And he thought this is my way out and maybe I'll, I'll be able to make some money to pay them back. And is that fair to say? Yeah. And I go, and then when it came time to take more money from other people, that was probably, then it was just, it kind of got away from itself. Right. Cause he wasn't even paying him returns. It wasn't even a Ponzi scheme. Right. And so, right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You know, we might be able to fool an attorney.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He would have gotten his ass handed to him, right? Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So we take, you know, I'm taking notes. I goes, let's, let's write this out. And so we kind of write out her version of the story in first person, turn it over. We reviewed the statement together. She's like, I don't really like the way you said that. And so I'm happy to cross that out and have, and write up a, you know, her version of it on top.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, he's got the name, especially in Chicago, right?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. Who better to take advantage of than people that can't complain? So he opens up a law firm without being a lawyer and just holds himself out as an attorney to... You just open up a...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I get it. I get it. I get it. Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Okay. So he's walking them through an administrative process that anyone who can follow directions in English could do.

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Oh, my God. Counterfeit green cards? Yes.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And I have her initial at the top and the bottom of the page and initial at the crossouts we do. And I have her sign the bottom while we're eating fries together at Zippy's. And, and then, you know, and then she signed the confession. I thanked her very much. She said, what happens next? It's not up to me. I've got to take this case to my supervisors. I've got to take this case to the prosecutor.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I got some crime stories for you. That's great. I have a true crime podcast. Some of them involve me. Some of them do not involve me. Last two times I came with a theme. One time I came with stories about airplanes. One time I came with stories about women. Yeah. This one's a little bit of everything.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It happens. There's a fail. There's always a fail son, right? Yeah. Yeah. Don't, you don't have to tell my parents. I wasn't pointing any fingers. Okay. So what's, what's the next one? Do you know what an arrow key is? You ever heard the term arrow key? An arrow key is a unique kind of key that's in possession of postal carriers. It's a skeleton key, basically, for the blue U.S.

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Postal Service mailboxes.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Worth a lot to have an arrow key. You've got to be careful with the arrow keys or people can steal the mail very easily. There's a woman named Kristen Williams who is a postal carrier in Mobile, Alabama. And she knows a dude named Sean White. During the course of their relationship, Sean White convinces her, sell me your arrow key for $2,000. Kristen does it.

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She sells her arrow key to this guy for $2,000. Oh, Kristen. $2,500, actually. So then Sean goes to work. Not as many mailboxes today as there were back in the old days. The old days felt like every corner had a blue mailbox. But there's still one sitting outside the Bell Air Mall in Mobile, Alabama.

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And so Sean would drive up his car late at night, take his arrow key, open it up, start going through the envelopes there, looking for something that looked like someone was paying their bills and would steal the envelopes that he thought would have checks. Pop them open, and he had the checks. Think about the information that's on every check, right? You've got someone's name.

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You've got their address. You've got a facsimile of their signature. You have their routing number. You have their accountant number. It's amazing that we ever wrote checks in this country with all the information. We're just giving away on a check.

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When I was a kid, back before Social Security numbers were a thing, some people would put their Social Security numbers on the check itself because you'd often have to put that down as ID. Yeah.

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That's insane. Yeah, that's where I grew up. And... So what Sean was doing is he began producing counterfeit checks with all that information and giving it to his friends to deposit into their bank accounts, bang the money out, keep a little bit for themselves and give Sean the money. And it was this nice little industry. Sean was able to steal $70,000 from this scheme. And how long of your time?

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And then we'll figure out where we go from here. And then I shook her hand. I took her photo. I said, listen, this is going to seem kind of weird. I need to get a photo of you. She goes, why? I go, in case you disappear. And I go, and so I pull out my phone. And I go, you know, no one ever smiles when I do this. And I go, but you're allowed to smile. You look great. You're a beautiful woman.

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You're always interested in that. Let's say a few months.

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Yeah. So Sean, I think we can both agree. Brilliant criminal mastermind. Yeah. Right?

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A lot of thought. He ran into one problem. Kristen, the postal carrier, was one of his friends that he was having negotiate the checks.

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Right. So the U.S. Postal Service figures out what the point of compromise was in this case and realizes that mail is being stolen. And they set up a nighttime surveillance at the mall watching that mailbox all night long. Day after day after day, they're watching the mailbox. Can you think of a more boring surveillance than staring at the mailbox?

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Until it's like two in the morning, a Mercedes pulls up. It's Sean. Gets out, look both ways, tiptoes over to the mailbox, takes the arrow key, opens it up and begins stealing mail. And then the postal inspectors move in. Sean hops in his Mercedes. and starts driving. High-speed car chase. Postal inspectors are on his ass trying to catch him. Left turn, right turn, left turn, right turn.

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Eventually, they corner him, and they stop him, and they arrest him for stealing the mail. FBI joins the investigation really more on the bank fraud side. And it becomes clear that when they arrest Sean, they take a look at his cell phone, and they see text messages between him and Kristen just kind of laying it all out.

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She said she was having anxiety about her involvement in the whole thing, in the text messages.

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A lot of these young people have anxiety. You wouldn't know anything about anxiety. Young people have anxiety. So now they're able to get Kristen for selling him the arrow key. Sean pleads guilty. And the only smart thing he did is cooperate against Kristen. His idea from Jump Street, but he's going to cooperate against the mail carrier lady. Kristen goes to trial.

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Kristen goes to trial.

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With the text messages and with Sean as the key government witness in this case. So horrible. And you'll be shocked to learn a guilty verdict from the jury. How much time are you going to give Sean and Kristen? $70,000 in losses. So, again, not a huge case economically, but you got a postal carrier, right, who violated her, like, Position of trust, right? That's an enhancement.

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You got Sean who's sort of like kind of orchestrating this thing. He's the ringleader of this, but he cooperates, pleads guilty, does the right thing, right? How much time are you going to give these two? Who are you going to give more time to?

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And so she gives me this big smile. She's sitting there at the counter and at the booth. Take a photo of her. Thank her so much. We get in our respective cars and leave. A month later, came back, arrested her, brought her back to Honolulu.

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He got a bunch of friends involved. Kristen gets 36 months in prison, the mail carrier, three years. I said four. Oh, I'm harsh on these people, aren't I? You are. You're a hanging judge. She went to trial. What are you, stupid? What a waste of taxpayer money. The mastermind, Sean, 32 months.

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This is so elaborate, okay? Shame on him for not monetizing it more, but it's very elaborate. He's getting the skeleton key. He's going in the middle of the night. He's getting this mail. He's producing false documents. He's luring other people into the scheme. He's wheeling. He's dealing. He's zinging. He's zanging.

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She just provided him an arrow key and then deposited checks into her bank and then gave him a portion of the money.

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It's a good agency. I worked a lot of cases with them.

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It's a terrible name. They have a real branding problem. They really do. Yeah, but they have guns. There was a TV movie, though. There was a U.S. Postal Inspection Service TV movie that they all watch. What? What was it? There's been a million FBI TV shows and movies. There was one made-for-TV movie about the U.S. Postal Inspection Service. I didn't watch it. Okay, I was going to say. I hope not.

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they gave them a little you know a little credibility all right so matt you've been doing pretty good today as far as guessing sentences yeah with the exception yeah but these are all like white collar crime sentences we're going to dial it up okay we're going to go we're going to talk about some some lusty crimes some violent crimes and things like that and let's see if you're good with those things because i think you got the sentencing guidelines memorized for fraud i'm listen i'm shocked at this guy that that last guy didn't get probation but other than that i've been pretty accurate

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What does the FBI agent with you say?

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Now, when you were on the run, you were a bit of a master of disguise, right, as far as changing your appearance? Yeah, there was some plastic surgery involved, for sure. Yeah, that's like heavy. I mean, you had a getaway face there. That's amazing. And it clearly worked because it stuck. You look fantastic. Fantastic.

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Was it like a comment on YouTube or something like that? Yeah, it was on a comment. I was like, see, that's the thing. You get, I get the same experience, right? Where like you get like a thousand people, you're the best. We love you. Oh my God, this is amazing. Like, like such a good job. That one comment of someone saying something shitty is the one that like sticks with you for a week. Oh man.

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Yeah. Yeah. It was upsetting. Well, I think your plastic surgery looks fantastic. Thank you. Do you know who else was a master of disguise? Who? 31-year-old Cameron Thomas.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I got that a lot from my colleagues. I was really good at getting the confession throughout the course of my career. I went to FBI interrogation schools, went to CIA interrogation schools. I taught interrogation. I teach interrogation now to kind of regulators and internal auditors and people like that.

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Of Jefferson County, Missouri. He liked to dress as a lady in Rob Banks. Lady boy. I don't know if that was a lifestyle or if it was a disguise. Like a Mrs. Doubtfire. Probably more like Madea, based on what I've seen. What would they dub him? The lady boy bank robber? I don't think he... I was the guy at the FBI in Chicago who got to write those nicknames. And so... But this wasn't my case.

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This is Jefferson County, Missouri. This is fairly recently. He walks into the First Community State Bank and does a note job. Hands a note demanding money, dressed as a lady. Clearly a dude, you know, like Harry Knuckles, deep voice, dressed as a lady. They give him some amount of money. Usually it's under two grand, not much. He throws the money in his purse.

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Mrs. Doubtfire escapes with the lube. Gets away with it. It's amazing. Three days later, same dude, still in ladies' clothing, goes into a credit union in St. Louis County, Missouri. This time he points a semi-automatic pistol at the teller and says, give me all your money. The robber puts the money in his purse again and then runs off. The next day, he goes back to the first bank.

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It worked so well the first time. Let's go back for more. this time cleverly disguised as a man.

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Points a pistol at the teller, makes her put the money in the bag. But while the robbery's happening, another employee calls the cops. And so he gets his money, and he takes off, gets in his Mercedes. All these guys seem to have Mercedes today. And police, hot pursuit. Right turn, left turn, right turn, left turn again.

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And he bails out in an apartment complex, runs out on foot, wildly firing shots at the cops as they're chasing him down. to the Jefferson County Sheriff's Department. He forces himself at gunpoint inside a woman's apartment and basically bursts into the place and goes running back into her bedroom. The deputies, to their credit, they go in, they go right in and rescue the woman.

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They're not going to have a hostage situation here. And they begin clearing the apartment. They finally make it back to the woman's bedroom and they find Cameron Thomas. He had at this point changed into the lady's clothing.

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You think so, man? I guess this is his last chance to be in ladies' clothing. So by the time they get there, he had just changed into the ladies' clothing. They place him under arrest.

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And so the agents often who I don't know really well who are writing along with me are like, you're really smooth at getting that. But it's all about building rapport and trying to see the world through their eyes. Empathy is the thing, right? And so you can fake that. She's real. Sympathy needs to be faked. Empathy does not. Empathy is my ability to see the world through your eyes.

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But it's also not his first bank robbery. He had previously gone away for 10 years before for bank robbery when he was 18, 19 years old. much time are you going to give Cameron Thomas for these three bank robberies? Fired shots at the cops.

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For the record, it goes federal. The cops hand it off to the FBI, who brings the case across the finish line federally. Um...

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Yeah. He'll be like 56 years old when he gets out if he deserves it all.

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But the moment you pull a gun.

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If you've never been in trouble before, you pulled a gun, you're getting 10 years. Yeah, there's a difference between brandishing it and otherwise using it. If you point it, you're otherwise using it. If you're just lifting it up to show the gun, that's a whole different thing. The sentencing guidelines are really specific regarding the use of a weapon in a bank robbery.

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I've never even heard of that. It's a small town. There's only about 9,000 residents. But if you live there, your chances of being a victim of a violent crime are about one in 30. It is one of the most dangerous places to live in America. In Wisconsin? Michigan. Benton Harbor, Michigan.

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Yeah. You don't want to move to Benton Harbor, Michigan. If you guys are going to be setting up a podcast studio because there's some tax advantage in Michigan, Benton Harbor is not the place to do it. We haven't even thought about tax advantage. Right. Two brothers. Darnell Bishop and Dontrell Nance. Ages 30 and 32. Okay. Darnell was 30. Dontrell was 32, for those of you keeping score. Okay.

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Regarding the violence in Benton Harbor, Michigan, Darnell and Dontrell are part of the problem, not part of the solution, Matt Cox. A couple weeks ago, they went to a house where the manager of the local gun... A couple weeks ago? Mm-hmm. Okay. I mean, a few weeks ago. Okay. Maybe several weeks ago. I thought these were people that had been sentenced. No, no, no. Now we're doing current crimes.

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Sympathy is me feeling sorry for you. I don't feel sorry for her, but can I see the world through her eyes? Can I imagine the rationalizations that she tells herself that allows her to look in the mirror every day, knowing that she's ripping off these people from her church? I can imagine that. I can imagine that. You can imagine that too.

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No, they've been... I mean, this is all very recent, but there has been a sentencing in this case. So, I mean, let's say 90... We'll get there.

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Maybe it's not a couple weeks ago. Give me a break. Okay. It was a couple weeks ago when I wrote this. Okay. I mean, it's a true story, but these are all adapted from my Instagram feed, right? I mean, a true story. Okay, so... They go to the house where the manager of the local gun shop lives. They kidnap the manager of the local gun shop and take him to an abandoned apartment that they know.

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And they hold him hostage there at gunpoint until he provides them the security access code to the gun shop where he works. Make sense?

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Okay. So with this information, Darnell and Dontrell go to the gun shop And they steal 123 handguns. And they pack them in two large Yeti coolers and take the guns away. The manager of the gun shop lives to tell the tale. And obviously the police and the feds are on top of this.

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And they are in a real panic to try to find who these boys are because you inject 123 stolen handguns into Benton Harbor, Michigan. Things are going to go from bad to really bad. Make sense? Yeah, definitely makes sense. So a lot of pressure there. But there's a big clue that the FBI, I believe, was able to get to the bottom of.

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While the brothers were holding the manager there, it wasn't enough for them to just get the security information for the gun shop. They also made the manager log on to his cell phone and send them all the money he could from his cash app to the brothers' cash apps. Brilliant. So smart, right? Yeah. Because they're doing a financial crime in addition to stealing the guns. Yeah.

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But what's the problem with the plan, Matt Cox? You've been around the block a few times. I feel like those cards may be in their name. The cash apps were in the names of Darnell and Dontrell, which allowed the crack investigators from the FBI, the best forensic accountants money can buy, to get to the bottom of it and identify the brothers.

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And so they went over to the brothers' house, the search warrant, They searched it, and they got the guns back. They were able to keep the 123 guns, more or less, the stolen guns, before they could be distributed to the streets of Benton Harbor, making it still the most violent place in America to be, but not as violent as it would have been otherwise.

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How much time are you going to give Darnell and Don Trell for this fantastic scheme of theirs? Do they have criminal histories? I'm going to go on a limb and say at age 30 and 32, this was not their first rodeo.

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How much time are you going to give Jedidah after she pleads guilty in that case?

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No, I never got any information that they were abused or that they tortured him or anything like that. I mean, obviously, they scared the heck out of him. Okay. And they took money from his cash app. So...

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Yeah, I don't have information about their criminal history. I may be just sort of figuring that that town has an issue. And these guys probably come from a socioeconomically depressed corner of the town. But they got 15 years each. That doesn't seem right.

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You're a hanging judge, Matt Cox.

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Had I told you the guys were addicts, you would have given them probation, right?

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Right? Yeah. I mean, I agree the criminal history is the wild card here that I just don't know about.

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That poor guy's traumatized forever.

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Yeah. It was a good plan, except for the cash app part.

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I mean, maybe if we had a theme, it'd be lawyers, guns, and money, because I got stories about all three. Okay. Okay. Should I just launch right into it? Yeah, absolutely.

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who won a bunch of money that night and left the card room and drove home to his fancy suburb of Winnetka, Illinois, and was robbed at gunpoint in his driveway in a really nice suburb. So somebody from the poker game called somebody else and said, that Asian dude, Johnny, he's leaving now. Follow him. And then robbed him in his driveway. Yeah.

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When you were locked up, was there ever any romance between corrections officers and inmates?

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Dude CEO? Yeah.

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The ultimate acceptance of responsibility as well. Right. Like, you know, showed no resistance. Literally did not have to meet with me at all. Decided to come to Zippy's with me and sit down and share a plate of fries. How much time are you going to give Jedi to Dwarves on Matt Cox? I want to say below two years. Final answer.

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It's hard to fire these guys, right? It's a very specific crime. A statute that was passed that makes it a crime. Right. Because because the power. Yeah. Great. It makes it great. It makes it great. It does. The power dynamic between the inmate and the correction officer is just too wide. So a prisoner like a child is incapable of consenting to sexual activity.

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And so, yeah, it's it's an assault in the eyes of the law.

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Probably going to lose his family and his pension.

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Yeah. Best to sit that out. So there was a sheriff, the actual popularly elected sheriff, not just some sheriff deputy in Noxabee County, Mississippi. His name was Terry Grassery. The sheriff obviously runs the county jail, right? It's their job in addition to patrolling and doing whatever, which included, in this case, the ladies' block.

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And there was a female prisoner at this Knoxville County Jail. We'll call her Felicia. So pretty. So pretty, MacDox. Irresistible. Sheriff Terry took a liking to her. And so he gives her special privileges, including cigarettes and a smartphone while she's in jail so he could keep in touch with his jailhouse crush. Is that like puppy love?

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So he would use Facebook Messenger to text her. And he began soliciting nude photos and videos from her cell. And she complied. She was a very good online girlfriend. And he was very complimentary about the state of her body. He said sweet things to her in the messages. Here's where it gets a little complicated.

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And, you know, but I don't know. Yeah. I mean, she had no, I mean, she was also ordered to pay restitution to her victims. And I promise you not a penny of that was paid. Yeah.

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There was no evidence whatsoever that Sheriff Terry ever checked her out and took her out for physical sex, which, of course, as we just discussed, would be a serious crime. But the FBI still receives a tip from another inmate about this kind of inappropriate relationship going on. So the two agents go to visit Sheriff Terry, maybe they sit in his office, and Sheriff Terry lies.

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He lies and lies and lies, says none of this is true, this never happened. And I guess he forgot about kind of the electronic fingerprints that Facebook Messenger leaves behind. This isn't a very knowable thing. You just have to reach out for Facebook and subpoena the records and you can get the text logs, which the agents did. So the only thing they really have Sheriff Terry on is,

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is this kind of inappropriate relationship, but what they charge him with is lying to an FBI agent title 18 section a thousand one. And it's a, it's a crime to lie to an FBI agent. Something I reminded my kids of weekly growing up. So Terry, Sheriff Terry, every time something went wrong, I said, I'm asking you and you know it's a crime to lie to them.

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So he loses his election because this is all out there and he's facing these charges. He ends up pleading guilty to the false statements to the FBI charge. And I'll tell you that the statutory maximum penalty for lying to an FBI agent is five years in prison. What do they give Sheriff Terry in this case?

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How about this? I looked down and I saw one. For the good of your own goddamn show, why don't you play along? You could also do that. Okay, well, here's this. But as soon as you said it, I thought he's getting three years. This is why you shouldn't look at someone else's paper. He got one day in prison. Oh, OK. He also got a fine of two thousand five hundred bucks and six months home detention.

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That doesn't seem fair.

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The agent sat down and asked him very specifically— And he lied. Yeah. Oh, no, right, right, right. The FBI agents are not lying to him in this particular story. No.

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You're a sheriff. You know better. How bad do you think the conduct is? Is the conduct itself worth three years to you? Or are you just offended that anyone would lie to an FBI agent? Because, right, the lying to the FBI agent charge, in this particular case at least, is really just a Trojan horse for charging him with this underlying conduct.

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In fact, the agent probably said, like, oh, my God, I hope he lies to us, right? Because I'm not sure what the federal crime is on, you know, for the... It's not really a civil rights violation. Maybe it is.

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Cigarettes and a cell phone.

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No, it's not. Right.

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Right, we're talking about the county jail that he's the boss of, right? And to a certain extent gets to make the rules. No, no. I'm making his argument for him. But my point is, I don't know that there's an obvious federal crime here.

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Evidently, he had been a problematic sheriff in other ways and had kind of escaped justice from the state, from different state things, and he continued getting elected. So they probably figured, bring in the FBI.

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Well, I appreciate your opinion on that. All right. So this one's a real puzzler because the plan was so brilliant. Okay. So brilliant. All right. So we got a 20-year-old guy. His name is Cy. Have we hidden? Can we hide whatever is coming? 20-year-old guy. His name is Sai Kandula. Born in India, but a lawful permanent resident here in the U.S. Green card holder. No immigration problems.

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I think there might have been some opportunity presented to her. She heard somebody. It was nothing that was ever going to be realized.

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Everything's squared away immigration-wise. Grows up here in the U.S. Came over as a child into the U.S. Lawful permanent resident. Just wanted to establish that. Lives in St. Louis, Missouri. So one day, he gets a one-way ticket from St. Louis to Dulles Airport in Northern Virginia, outside of Washington, D.C. Okay? Okay. Flies from St.

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Louis across the country to Dulles Airport, takes an Uber to the local U-Haul place, and rents a U-Haul truck. Big, big U-Haul truck. No cargo, but just the U-Haul truck. 9.35 that night, traveled all day long, gets it 9.35 at night. He drives the U-Haul to the White House where the U.S. president lives, 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, Matt Cox.

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And he rams the barriers surrounding the president's home with the U-Haul truck. The barriers hold. I was going to say, he's not getting through those barriers. He reverses. He's able to reverse it. Drives again, accelerates into those barriers, hoping that they'll buckle and break. They do not buckle. They do not break. The radiator shatters on the U-Haul truck. The vehicle's disabled.

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I also think, though, that this land in Maui, she had some intention to do something with it, but it was the last 200 grand, not the first 200 grand that she was able to put down. Right. And then she lost that money. It just pissed it away, really, because it was nonrefundable.

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He he's not done, though. Cy is not done, Matt Cox. He gets out of his truck and he removes a red Nazi swastika flag and he begins waving it around until you in the video of this until the U.S. Park Service and the U.S. Secret Service jump on him, put the handcuffs on him and arrest this young man.

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Now, the FBI is in charge of conducting the investigation after they kind of like, you know, protect the president. The president at this time is the end of the Joe Biden term. Cy explains under interrogation. Can you say that again? Joe Biden was president at the time. Okay. But the FBI gets the investigation. Secret Service and Park Service stop him, right? That's their job. Yeah.

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But when there's an attempt on the president's life, or like with the Trump case when he was shot... Falls to the FBI. Yeah, the FBI conducts the investigation after the fact, right? So there's the protectors, and then there's the investigators. The Secret Service will investigate threats against the president, but once that... threat kind of becomes action, then it becomes the FBI's problem.

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I think that's how it works. Don't quote me on that. But bottom line is, it's the FBI's case. They bring Cy in... Mirandize him and he says he'll talk. What's with the swastika? Here's Cy's plan. Here's the plan. He's a planner. He's a planner. His goal was to gain access to the White House where he planned to seize political power and name himself the President of the United States.

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Because that's how it works, Matt Cox. And he would replace the democratically elected government of the U.S. with a dictatorship fueled by the ideology of Nazi Germany, putting himself in charge. He was going to be our dictator. Tsai was.

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He said that he intended to off the U.S. president in the process. We'll use the word off for YouTube purposes. And he's charged with destruction of government property.

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No. It's kind of like capture the flag. If you can make it into the Oval Office, you get to be president. That's how it works, right? We learned that in civics class when we were kids. He's charged with destruction of government property. Let me give you some dollar amounts here. $5,000 in damages to the barrier that he owes the U.S. Park Service. Didn't do anything. $50,000 to the U-Haul.

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Destroyed that U-Haul truck. He owes the U-Haul $50,000. And, you know, so he pleads guilty to destruction of government property. How much time are you going to give Cy to...

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You a fan of Stevie Wonder?

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But let's keep in mind, he's only pleading guilty to destruction of government property. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life. I think the idea is that he was so far removed from actually realizing his plan that the president was never really in danger. I think that's probably the logic of the prosecutors in allowing this plea. And let's also understand that he is not a U.S.

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citizen. So whenever he's done serving his sentence, he's going back to India under any president.

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Yeah, I mean, you and I, same age. We grew up with Stevie Wonder. Yeah, I definitely have listened to his music. You ever seen him live?

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Under $60,000. Well, I think the judge needs to understand—the judge certainly understood the totality of the circumstances and probably watched the video of him waving the Nazi flag around at 9.35 at night in front of the White House.

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I just want to make sure I understand what your final answer is.

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In between there. In between 5 and 10? In between 5 and 10. You want to pick a number between 5 and 10 or you just want to say between 0 and 100? That way you're right every time.

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Me neither. But I've seen videos. Yeah, yeah, sure. I was really excited. Right? No, continue. This is your show. I was super excited to see Stevie Wonder live. Okay. When it was announced that he was coming to Hawaii. And Hawaii doesn't get a lot of good concerts.

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I don't want to influence you, buddy. I'm just asking the questions.

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I think we're allowed to say that. Has that word been decriminalized?

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Decriminalizing that word?

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Yeah, yeah. Okay, so I was an FBI agent in Honolulu. And the cool thing about being an FBI agent in Honolulu is you get to travel to the other islands to work cases. And what's cool about that is that Hawaii, unlike Florida or any other state... When you're traveling on business there, there's not like a Hampton Inn downtown that you stay in. You're staying at like a resort.

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And then it's consecutive.

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Because it's so goddamn far from anywhere else. I mean, you know, you don't get, like, imagine the infrastructure that would go into, like, bringing in, like, a Coldplay or someone like that. Like, you know, like, all the instruments, all the equipment, all that to play in a stadium.

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Well, it didn't happen.

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Well, there's a guy, 21-year-old Chance Seneca of Lafayette, Louisiana, had a hero. And his hero was a guy named Jeffrey Dahmer. You know about Jeffrey Dahmer, right?

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Yeah, this is true. This is a good point. We're coming to the right place. See, he idolized Jeffrey Dahmer, and all he ever wanted to do was to eat and preserve the bodies of his victims, just like Dahmer did. So Chance becomes fixated on the fantasy of killing gay people. So he goes on the dating app Grindr. You're familiar with Grindr, right, Matt Cox? I have heard about Grindr.

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People do go there, but it's usually on their way to or from a Japanese tour.

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Okay, just making sure. Making sure. We don't need to explain what Grindr is. It's like Tinder for gay guys. He picks up a dude that he meets on the app. And so Chance meets up with his date. And Chance kidnaps him at gunpoint and brings him to an abandoned house. Handcuffs the poor guy. And in the court documents, it says he tried to murder him. But Chance failed.

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The victim somehow survived and escaped and lived to tell the tale. Must have been a terrible day for him. I mean, nothing but compassion for this guy. Calls the cops. The cops call the FBI in to assist in the investigation. So they immediately arrest Chance, right, because there's only one suspect in this thing. And Chance says that he really wanted to be a serial killer of gay men.

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Right? So we were all super excited when it was announced that Stevie Wonder was going to be coming to Honolulu to play a benefit show for the University of Hawaii Athletic Department. Okay. Right? I mean, it was amazing. It was, like, announced on TV. Everybody was... Sounds off. Every...

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And he said, you know, if you guys let me go, I'm going to continue my murder spree until I'm caught or killed by police. He explains this to the FBI agent in the interrogation. Who's he killed so far? Nobody. No, he's Ofer One. I was going to say. I'm going to continue. Continue what? His name should be Ofer. Yeah. And he said he spent months devising his foolproof plan.

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You know, but fortunately for gay dudes everywhere, Chance is a bit of a screw-up. Yeah. And failed to pull off his first murder dismemberment, even though he probably really, really traumatized the poor guy he met on Grindr.

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FBI charges him with civil rights violations, which is kind of a catch-all. Like, when you're doing something horrible like that, you're also violating his civil rights. But the judge gets to take into account... one's intention and the risk in that civil rights violation. And he pleads guilty. Chance pleads guilty to his civil rights charges in the Western District of Louisiana.

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How much time do you give Chance?

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Yes. Yeah. At gunpoint. Like, they meet in a park to go for a romantic walk. Pulls a gun on him and says, you're coming with me. Get in the car. Takes him to an abandoned building, like a haunted house. Criminal history? None. 21-year-old kid. 15 years? 15 years? Wanted to be a serial killer? Told the FBI he intended to continue killing gay people and eating them, Matt Cox.

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15 years, your final answer? Um...

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Yeah. Yeah. That's different than doing it to intend to be with your first step toward being a serial killer. It's a very different motivation. It's a very different crime.

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And I think if you tell the police that if you're let out, you're going to keep going until you're killed by the police, that's the type of thing that a judge pays attention to. Rightfully so.

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I mean, yeah. Smart guy here. Somewhere between two and 30 years. Yeah, Matt. You got it right. Congratulations, sir.

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then I would have said, yeah, but I said, you know, it would have been, I've said it three, three or five years. Right.

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He liked, like, he was so funny. I love the fact that you believe that lying to the FBI is such a serious crime. That makes me feel good.

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I mean, the University of Hawaii Athletic Department has got a problem on their hands, right? Because they have this terrible football team, and yet they have this tremendous expense. Again, Hawaii is probably the most remote, occupied place on planet Earth, and their away games cost them a fortune, right? You've got to fly...

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That's when you're interviewing the bad guy. When you're interviewing witnesses, I truly want to know what happened. Yeah. I've had police officers complain to me that they don't have that type of hammer. Yeah, they don't have the resources. Well, it's illegal for them to lie to you. It's not illegal for me to lie to me. I feel your pain.

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The paperwork is the same for a big city police detective working a similar type of case.

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So you're saying the police are more apt to arrest somebody and then try to build the case in time for trial, whereas the FBI will investigate and then arrest. Yes, absolutely. I think so too. Okay. I think that's more fun. The FBI side? The detective side? The detective. We get to go out and arrest the guy and then put together the case. It's not just, though.

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I mean, isn't it more just to investigate, build a probable cause?

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the entire football team to California or Nevada or wherever they happen to be playing. And so they're constantly strapped for money in their athletic department. It's not a moneymaker for them. And the team's also terrible despite having the most significant home field advantage in college sports, right?

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Keep in mind, during the course of any FBI investigation that I've worked, you're talking to victims and witnesses a lot first, and then you're making a decision when it is most tactical to speak to the subject of the investigation. Sometimes that is very early in the investigation. It's not going to culminate in an arrest or charges, but...

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I like to do my interrogations and confrontation of the subject just when I have enough information because I don't want them catching wind of the investigation. I want the first time them learning about an FBI investigation is when I knock on their door, smile at them, and tell them that I just need some help. I got some questions. I want to understand your side of the story.

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And let them bury themselves. And let them bury themselves. Because they're not in custody. I don't have to Mirandize them.

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We're going to share a plate of fries and talk about this awful situation that they find themselves in.

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The FBI gets to choose their battles more also. Like, the FBI rejects cases all the time. Like, it's not the best use of our time. And I think the detectives are sort of, cases are thrust upon them more.

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And, you know, it's just, it's more, I think the detective probably has a more difficult job because they're not as well resourced and they're probably a lot more overloaded with cases than a typical agent.

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So I've been getting calls lately from Matt Cox viewers, and everyone's so nice. Your fans are the best. But sometimes they'll contact me because they have a need for a private investigator or they need that. And I'm always happy to take calls from Matt Cox people for free consultation.

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So anyone in the Matt Cox audience who needs a private investigator, I work in all 50 states, can contact me for a free consultation. And if they know someone who needs it, I will always make time for their referrals.

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Because everyone else is flying around the world to go play against the University of Hawaii at the home games. You'd think the team would be able to somehow leverage that, but they're always terrible. Right. Okay. So the fact that Stevie Wonder himself was going to be injecting himself into the University of Hawaii Athletic Department to play a concert there was going to be amazing.

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It's just going to be a green themed resort.

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You say grass, the grass, you can do this. I know what we're talking about.

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They don't seem to care. Like, all right. Um, they were going to convert the lodge to a grass theme park.

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For people who wanted to get high and watch the Northern Lights.

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Powder. What did we say that was powder?

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I mean, I don't touch that.

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It was going to make the university flush with money. And tickets go on sale. And people I know, FBI agents I know, were getting friends together, like, hey, I'm going to go get eight tickets. You want in? And, you know, getting tickets for each other.

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I did not. I was out of town. But that's a whole other story. And then what happens is Stevie Wonder's manager gets a Google alert on her phone. He's got a manager and an agent. The manager, kind of like a handler for him, and gets a Google alert on his phone that these tickets have gone on sale. She calls the agent over at William Morris and says, hey, do you know anything about a show in Hawaii?

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And he goes, no, no one's booked a show in Hawaii. I mean, they would have the contract and all that. She's like, I don't know anything either. And Stevie Wonder doesn't know anything about it. And so the manager – I'm sorry, the agent – contacts the university of Hawaii, like general counsel's office says, we don't know anything about this. Right.

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And the university of Hawaii is like, we paid a $200,000 down payment to bring Stevie wonder in. And he's like, who'd you pay that to? And he gives them the name and all that. And so eventually the, the call, they call the FBI in this case lands on my desk. Okay. And it's up to me to figure out how this occurred. Where was the money wired? Follow the money. Thank you. You're good at this.

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So it started with a, the money was wired to a guy named Sean. Okay. Who lives in Miami, but he was from England, like a British guy living in Miami. And then from Sean's bank account, I see that, that like 80, Sean kept like 80,000 bucks on it, bought his girlfriend a Mercedes with the money and sent $120,000 of the money to a guy named Mark in North Carolina.

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who is more of a club promoter than a concert promoter. And so there's some other stuff going on. Bottom line is we're trying to understand what happened. It took me a while to follow the money. I mean, I'm telling the story in two minutes, but I'm subpoenaing bank records and things like that. This is evolving over time. Do these guys know this is happening?

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Right. And so it's kind of an amazing, it's the best business travel experience I've ever had because you're staying at a resort. The guy, you know, you walk down to the pool to have dinner at the pool bar or whatever, you know, and the couple had been saving up their whole lives to go on this vacation or their honeymoon, for example. And you're just there on a business trip.

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Well, what's happening is that the president of the University of Hawaii calls Sean and says, what's going on here? My athletic department just wired $200,000 in taxpayer funds, right? Because it's a state school. to you, you know, who is your contact with Stevie Wonder? Because there seems to be some confusion about whether Stevie Wonder is aware of this show or not.

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Kinder Spirit. So what happened then? You called them. So what happened?

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Do you have any idea how much I wish Zack could come to me and say, can you lend me 15,000? So he could have shown me the paperwork and I could have said, let's sit down for a minute.

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Ich will einen Knack machen, warum Skammer nach alten Leuten gehen, aber Zach ist nur ein Jahr älter als ich. I wouldn't fall for this, but in a year from now, I may be sitting here with someone going, no, you don't understand, he didn't want any money. So what would stop you from, like, immediately, just the letter, you'd be like, this is garbage. This is a scam. This is a scam.

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You wouldn't have been interested in what the scam is? You know what's funny? There have been times when, like, I've gotten the phone call where the person says, You know, like they'll say like your your Social Security number has been canceled. You know, please stay on the line to speak with a representative from the Social Security Administration.

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And it's like you can't cancel a Social Security number like that doesn't you know. And I've been like, let me stay on the line.

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Let me explain what you got. I've actually had times where I've thought, let me go ahead and straighten this guy out. Yeah, this is not... I hear you. Yeah, I hear you. I see where you're at with this. Your instinct was right, but you're going about it wrong. Here's what you need to do. You got a pen and paper.

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After being on the phone and laughing with the guy and joking with him and him knowing that I know. And then they get frustrated. They get pissed off at you because you're just mocking them. And then they just hang up on you. So I can never get very far. I've gotten to the point where they transfer you. zu der zweiten Person und sprach zu dem Mann. Der Mann da.

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Und dann war das eine Frau und sie war mit mir verärgert und sie war mit mir verärgert, weil ich so viel lacht und so viele Fragen fragte. Und sie wusste, dass ich wusste, aber ich wusste nicht, was ich wusste. Ich war so, naja, ich verstehe nicht, warum genau war es wieder ausgeschlossen? Wie kannst du eine soziale Skizze ausgeschlossen haben? Sie konnte das Mocken in meiner Stimme fühlen.

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Und am Ende wurde sie frustriert und sagte, okay, ja, wir sind fertig mit diesem Mann und klick. Nächster, nächster Scheiß.

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He kept reiterating the fact that, look, I don't need anything from you. Wir machen das und das.

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Genau. Wenn du die Kosten gesehen hast, was hast du gesagt? Ich habe gesagt, da ist der Schaden.

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And then a week later it bounces.

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Er sagt, ja, ja, ja. Du sagst, Roger, du wirst nie das Geld sehen.

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Ja, ich mag es nicht. Ja, ich mag es nicht. Was hat er gesagt, als du sagst, was ist mit diesen Fonds? Er sagt, bezahl die Fonds und wir bekommen die Millionen.

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They pass each other on the wires. Within minutes. And that's when I realized that's...

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Ein anderer Lehrer. Ein anderer Lehrer. Ich werde hier auf meinen Weg gehen und sagen, es ist vielleicht der gleiche Lehrer.

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Und dann geben sie es ab.

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You know what's funny? I actually think I did a show. We did a show where I mentioned this before. I sell paintings on Etsy. I have a painting. I have a Ich habe einen Laden auf Etsy namens Cox Pop Art und da kannst du Kleidung kaufen. So, wenn jemand auf Cox Pop Art geht und mich kontaktiert und sagt, ich will dieses Kleidung, was auch immer. Sagen wir, es war ein 300 Dollar Kleidung.

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Und es war eine Frau und sie sagte, hey, ich habe dieses 300-Dollar-Bild. Ich mag es. Und ich sagte, okay, es war drei, es ist wie 300 oder 300, 300, 300 Dollar. Und ich schicke es dir. Sie sagte, okay, sie sagte, sie kommt zurück. Sie sagte, schau, ich will es. Das Problem ist, sie sagte, kann ich es haben? Sie sagte, ich würde es lieber von dir direkt kaufen.

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Und das war, sie hat mich kontaktiert. Sie hat die Sachen auf der Website gesehen, aber sie hat mir ein E-Mail gesendet. Und mein E-Mail, glaube ich, ist auf der Website. Also sagt sie, ja, kann ich dir einfach einen Kassierscheck schicken? Und ich sagte, ja, ich habe keinen Problem damit. Weil das hat sich mehrere Male passiert, wo Leute mich einfach gemailt haben.

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Zuerst habe ich gesagt, warum nicht du mich einfach zählst oder das. Ich habe ihr etwas anders gegeben. Sie ist so, ja, ich habe nicht nur das. Kann ich dir einfach einen Kassierscheck schicken? Das ist in Ordnung. Ich habe eigentlich Leute, die so Schriftstücke kaufen, wie das vorher. Ich habe nichts davon gedacht.

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So I was actually with Jess, which is my wife, and we were driving to the Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office because I was doing a speech in front of about 40 law enforcement officers. So I'm driving to there and we're in a Starbucks, getting Starbucks before I go in and I check my email and there's a... Es gibt ein E-Mail und die Frau sagt, oh mein Gott, sie ist wie ich.

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Du wirst es nicht glauben. Sie sagte, mein Onkel ist derjenige, der für das Bild bezahlt hat. I told him to mail you a cashier's check for $300. He accidentally mailed you a check for $1,100. He was supposed to send $800 to my brother. And he's an older guy and he got confused and got one cashier's check and he's mailed it to you. And she said, could you do me a favor?

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You don't have to mail it back to me, just deposit the check and then sell me or PayPal me or I forget what it was, but basically send me the $800 back. And it was like, send it, you can send it directly back to my uncle or whoever it was. And I, so I was like, and I went, listen to this. And I hit Jess. I said, listen, I read the email to Jess.

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Und Jess sagt, das ist ein Vertrauen von ihr, dass du das Geld zurückgeben würdest. Ja, das ist okay. Du sendest das Geld zurück. Und ich habe meinen ersten Gedanken, ich würde alles nehmen, was du hattest, wenn ich mit dir verliebt wäre. Warum siehst du es so? Weil ich dachte, weil mein erstes, offensichtlich weiß ich,

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the cashier's check you're gonna get the cashier's check deposit it they're looking for people that have established bank accounts that will automatically the bank will automatically give them the money oh yeah of course that's good two days later boom there's the money and then of course i'm i'm selling the money out or paypaling or whatever cash app i'll give them the money and now they've drained that account and then it's over they've got 900 bucks and it seems like a a minor amount of money to you and i but sorry eight but eight hundred dollars to

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Some scammer in Nigeria, that's like getting five grand or ten, that's like a six or seven thousand dollar lick. And these are people that live off of 500 bucks a month. And they just made eight thousand dollars. And to them, that's like getting checked for seven or eight thousand dollars. You don't have to have but one of those a month work.

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Wenn sie zwei pro Woche oder zwei pro Tag bekommen, leben sie in Pizzenhäusern. Und sie fließen. Sie fließen. Tausende. Tausende. Also habe ich ihr ein E-Mail zurückgegeben und gesagt, du weißt, absolut kein Problem. Geh hin und schick mir den Konto. Und ein paar Tage später bekomme ich den Kassierschef. Oder ich meine, ich sagte, absolut kein Problem, ich schicke dir das Geld zurück.

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Wie willst du, dass ich es dir schicke? Und sie hat mir gesagt, oh, sie hat mir das Ding gesendet. Und natürlich ein paar Tage später bekomme ich den Kassierschef. Und es sah gut aus. They all do. Right. So, listen, it was super legit. Like, I was, you know, really, like, impressed. I was like, wow, like, had it been, like, I'll bet you this works a lot. This looks like sex is working.

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Ja.

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I dragged her along, by the way, for the next two or three weeks to the point where they were sending me that. She had my text. So we were texting at that point. Now I'm getting towards the end, sending me text messages like, are you trying to scam me? Are you keeping that? I said, come on, man, stop it.

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Like, what if she's real? First of all, she's not real. Because when I started saying, come on, cut the shit. And I went through the whole, oh, by the way, to make sure that it wasn't real, I actually went to the bank. und zeigte den Banken. Sie sagte, es sieht gut aus, aber wir bekommen solche Sachen immer. Sie sagte, es ist nicht, es ist nicht. Sie ging und kontrollierte den Account.

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Der Account ist nicht gut. Sie ging durch die ganze Sache. Sie kam zurück. Sie sagte, es ist nicht gut. Und dann habe ich natürlich mit einem Mann von der Hillsborough County Economic Crime Division gesprochen. Ich habe mit ihm gesprochen und ich habe gesagt, hey, kann ich einen Polizeireport ausfüllen? Ich liebe es, diesen Menschen zu bekommen. Und er hat gesagt, wir werden ihn nicht bekommen.

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Er hat gesagt, wir werden ihn nicht bekommen. Er hat gesagt, Matt, ich werde den Report nehmen, wenn du willst. Er hat gesagt, es ist nicht wert. Und er hat gesagt, es gibt keinen Weg. Er hat gesagt, diese Person ist in Nigeria. Oder er hat sechs verschiedene Länder genannt, in die diese Person sein würde. Und sie werden es hier senden. Sie haben Leute, die nichts machen.

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Professionelle, die nichts machen, sondern Cash-Apps öffnen. PayPal-Accounts. Sie haben alle Geld durchgeführt in drei Wochen und sie schließen sie runter. Und sie haben bereits sechs andere. Wow. Ja, also, ich meine, da gibt es einen Ort.

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Weißt du was, wenn du das Faktum ablässt, dass du Leute für Geld klippst, dass du von Leuten stehst, die wahrscheinlich, ich weiß nicht, ob sie es verdienen können oder nicht. Niemand will es verlieren. Du verursachst Angst. Wenn du das von der Equation ablässt, klingt es wie ein lustiger Job.

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Es ist so, als würde ich versuchen, die Letters zu kreieren und die Websites zu machen und die Hintergrundgeschichte zu kreieren. Ich habe ihm gesagt, das ist das, worum ich gehe.

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Hast du, als du mit ihm gesprochen hast, hast du mit ihm gesprochen und gesagt, er hat sie nur bezahlt. Was hast du gesagt? Habe das Gespräch. Als er die Fee für den Banken wollte,

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Ich weiß das, aber hast du ihm gesagt, da ist er? Nein. Hast du ihn angerufen und gesagt?

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Wir müssen ihn jetzt anrufen und du sagst... Ich denke, wir sollten diesen Mann auf den Telefon bringen. Ich denke, du erklärst es. Und hier ist es. Was ist das? Was ist das? Du kriegst ihn auf den Telefon, aber du sagst, hör mal, das ist mein... Weil er denkt immer noch, dass das möglich ist, richtig? Ja. Sag, hör mal, sag ihm, du hast nicht die 15.

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Du versuchst mich zu überzeugen, ihm die 15.000 zu zahlen. Ich mag es.

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Und dann sitze ich da und sage, ja, ich verstehe es nicht. Warum kannst du nicht einfach das Geld aus den 11 Millionen nehmen? Warum muss ich das tun? Wie funktioniert das? Ich meine, er hat gesprochen und gesagt, dass... Aber ich meine, wenn du telefonieren willst... Ich weiß, was er sagen wird. Er wird es spüren. Er wird sagen, nein, nein, wir müssen das Geld zuerst bekommen.

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Wir müssen... Willst du mich telefonieren? Oder du musst telefonieren, richtig?

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Oh, let's go. Come on. He's been calling me. Really? We gotta call him. It's only 4.30 in Nigeria. Where is he? He's supposed to be in Canada. In Canada? Yeah. Oh, it may be in Canada.

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Introduce me. Oh, this is Matt. Hey, Zach. I'm sorry. Roy's asking me to give him $15,000 to send to you. I just want to know that if I do that, you're going to be able to release the money, the $11,000,000. Is that what's happening?

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$100,000. Okay, in Dollar. Okay. Kann ich dir das Geld direkt aus meinem Account anbieten oder muss ich es Roy zuerst anbieten?

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I wanted to ask him, like, listen, between you and me, bro, come on, honestly, how many people fall for this a day? How many people a day? Let's call him back, man. How many people do you get? Between me and you. How many people do you get on this scam? Honestly.

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I shouldn't have said that, dude. I should have asked him. That's what I was gonna ask. He's probably not gonna answer.

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We're just curious. We're just curious. How many...

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Eine Person jeden anderen Monat lebt gut. Was wäre, wenn jemand mit ihm negotiert hätte? Was wäre, wenn du da saßt und gesagt hättest, hör mal, ich kann es nicht machen. Ich kann vielleicht 5.000 Euro verdienen. Kann ich, ist es irgendein Weg, dass du mir das Geld flöten kannst? Ich wette, er wird anfangen zu sagen, okay, ich kann vielleicht, ja, ich kann wahrscheinlich 5.000 Euro verdienen.

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Er wird etwas wollen. Wie er gesagt hat, er hat schon etwas verdient. Weißt du, was ich meine? Ja.

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You gotta call him from my number.

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Oh, okay.

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Well, I mean, you can't talk right now?

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I'm just wondering where you're located. I haven't heard of the law firm. I don't understand what this is in regards to.

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I think he's in the same room.

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He sounds much more African.

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It's funny that they're going back to the old. I love the fact that they're going back old school. Yeah, they're going back old school.

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Yeah, in your hand. Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah, I mean, I just think that they need to step up their game. I'd love to help them out. No, no, no. They caught me.

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If Zack wired the money to me, like, he comes over one day and like, bro, you're not gonna believe this.

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Oh ja, natürlich. Wir haben ihn einfach aufgeräumt. Wir haben ihn einfach aufgeräumt. Nein, ich glaube, er ist es wahrscheinlich nicht gewohnt. Er ist es wahrscheinlich nicht. Hör auf, sie machen es. Sie basieren es auf Bulk. Ja, du weißt, sie werden jemanden irgendwann bekommen. Das Problem ist, dass ihre Zahlen weg sind.

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Du würdest wahrscheinlich jemanden bekommen, wenn die Fee viel niedriger war. Und schau, wenn diese mehr professionell aussehen, And someone you had somebody answer the phone and they spoke English and everybody involved with this spoke clear English. There was a decent website where all of this stuff panned out. You went and looked and that website, you're like, damn, this is a nice email.

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This is a professional website. Du würdest sagen, okay, hey, es gibt Fotos, es gibt das, oh, sie haben sogar ein Instagram. Du klickst auf Instagram, es gibt ein volles Instagram, wirklich ein bisschen Zeit dazu. Und dann, du weißt, es wurde auf Letterhead gesendet.

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dann denke ich, dass du einen Mann anrufen würdest und er würde nur sagen, hör mal, das ist, weißt du, das ist, was passiert ist. Ja, das ist, was los ist. Das ist, wo wir sind. Und, naja, ich fühle mich einfach nicht so, als wäre es ein Verbrechen. Okay, Sir, ich weiß nicht, was ich dir sagen soll. Ich habe die Letter geschrieben. Das ist, was los ist. Das ist es. Du kannst teilnehmen.

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Du kannst nicht. Das Geld wird zurück in den Staat gehen. Ich weiß nicht, was ich dir sagen soll. Ich sehe hier eine Möglichkeit. Und ich habe meinen Job gemacht. Also, weißt du, und das ist es. Und du gehst und sie sagen, okay, also, du bist nicht. Also, dann nehme ich das als Nein. Yeah, I don't think I'm interested. I understand. You hang up. Listen, you hang up.

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50% of those people call you back. Two days later, they call back. They go, listen, tell me about this again.

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I am ashamed. They're asking too much money. The problem is they don't realize that they're pricing out. Not if you go with roofers. These are roofers. Okay, I understand that, but I still think you could get the average, even the average roofer, that's 15 grand, bro.

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Ich fühle mich, als hätten Sie eine niedrige Meinung von Rufers.

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Wenn du Roger wusste, würdest du denken, Roger würde das bezahlen. Er hat fast Roger gehabt.

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Ihr schüttelt eure Hände so, als wüsstet ihr, worüber ich sprechen soll. Nein, ich tue es nicht. Okay, also, es gibt etwas... Sie senden die Karten raus.

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Es ist eine echte Sache. Also, ich glaube, es ist Obama, der reingekommen ist und ein Gesetz verabschiedet hat, weil es viele... Also, sagen wir, Sie haben... Sie sind weggegangen. Sagen wir, Sie sind in die Gefängnis gegangen. Hypothetically.

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Let's assume you were one of those guys and you went to jail and you had an apartment that was in somebody's name and you had electric that was in somebody's name and you had to put up 500 bucks. So the apartment goes bad. And the electric company takes your $500 deposit. They have nowhere to send it. They send out a check and then after 90 days you don't cash it and they keep it.

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So it's called, I want to say it's called... Unclaimed money? It's unclaimed money, but it's called, the website for Florida is like floridatreasure.gov. Ich weiß genau, worüber du sprichst. It's not their money. They have to put it on a website and they have to actively have the website available and they have to advertise the website to people that they can all go and try and claim their money.

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For instance, when I got out of prison, my buddy Trion told me about it. And he said, you need to go on there and see if you have any money. I was like, I don't have any money. And sure enough, I did have money. I forget what it was. It was like 2,100, 2,500 bucks. It was a lot. It was like four different things. One was for...

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Das ist wie eine Sicherheitspolitik, die ich eigentlich erinnere, dass ich in einem Auto-Ansatz war und ich bezahlt habe, um mein Auto festzuhalten und für das Geld aufzuhalten, aber ich habe mich auf den Weg genommen, bevor das Geld kam. Also die Sicherheitsfirma, der Konto war nie gespeichert und nach zwei oder drei Jahren haben sie es auf dem Site gelegt.

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Die anderen Dinge waren wie eine Kreditkarte und so etwas. Es gab mehrere andere Dinge, wo ich 3.000 Euro auf eine gesicherte Kreditkarte für irgendeine Scheiße gelegt habe und dann endeten sie... ended up giving the money back. There were a few different things like that. So the money is on the site. I just went on the site, filled out the form.

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But when I first went on the site and I filled out the form, I immediately got contacted by these companies, professional companies that would tell you, we can help get your money. And they wanted like 10% to help get it. And I was like, I can fill out the form myself. So what I'm saying is, if you took something like that that's legitimate and tried to tie into it,

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und sagte, hey, übrigens, wir sind mit dem Website verbunden. Er gab ihm das Website und alles und sagte, wir haben es gesucht und wir haben mehrere Leute gefunden, die einen selben Namen wie deiner haben, aber sie sind weggeflogen und haben das Gleiche gemacht.

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Ich werde dir noch etwas sagen, was passiert ist und viele Leute verstehen das nicht, weil ich tatsächlich durch den Prozess der Veränderung meines Namens gegangen bin. Nicht mein Name. Ich habe jemand anderes' Name verändert. Ich habe jemandens Identität verkauft und dann seinen Namen verändert. Und ich weiß, dass das eine verdammte Sache ist, okay? Ich weiß das. Ich brauche keine Entscheidung.

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This is a variation of the Nigerian Prince scam.

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Anyway. You probably didn't know it was changed. It never changed to begin with. I changed it in another state. He was from Florida and I changed it in North Carolina. So, and what? Oh, that happens in the Social Security law. But go ahead. So, what I'm saying is, when I went to the lawyer, paid a lawyer like, I don't know, 1800 bucks or something. I mean, not of my money, stolen money.

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So, I'm willing to spend Bank of America money like... So I go in there, I said, listen, my name was at the time was Michael Eckert. So I'd stolen Michael, this is so bad. So I stole Michael Eckert's name. And just for, because I just, you know, like I said, fraud is not a full-time job. I'm not working. And I thought, how hard would it be to change somebody's name?

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Es begann, als sie in den 50er und 60er Jahren Letters geschrieben haben. Sie schrieben Letters aus Nigeria an Menschen, wo sie ihre Namen und Adresse bekommen. Sie sagten, dass ein Nigerianer Prinz gestorben wäre. And all the money had been left to his barrister. And his barrister also died in a car bombing with the prince. But he was in charge of the money.

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How to change this guy's name and then get a social security issued to the new name, which I did. Ich versuchte also, eine synthetische Identität zu finden, die von echten Leuten basiert war, damit ich letztendlich eine echte Identität hätte, die separiert war. Aber es war alles echte, basierend auf echten Dokumenten. Also, mein erstes Ding war, den Namen des Mannes zu ändern. Wie schwer ist das?

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Ich gehe durch diesen Prozess. Ich gehe zu einem Lawyer und gebe ihm etwa 1.800 Dollar. Er sagt, okay, kein Problem. Weißt du, was er mit dem Namen ändern musste? You would think it would be difficult, right? He said, I need your birth certificate. I said, here's my birth certificate. He said, okay.

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He said, I need you to get two people to sign documents that say that they know you and they've known you for five years and I need those documents notarized. I said, okay. To make sure that this is your real name. I was like, Und ich sagte, okay.

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Also ging ich und jemand, den ich wahrscheinlich einen Monat und eine halbe kennengelernt habe, und dann hat meine Freundin diese andere Person wahrscheinlich zwei Monate kennengelernt. Und ich sagte, hey, hör auf und erkläre die ganze Situation. Kannst du das signen und es notieren? Sie sagten, ja, sie haben es beide gesignet und sie haben es notiert und sind zurückgekommen. Kein großes Problem.

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So, I would assign both of them. Right. Yeah, but they need to get them notarized, which I could have also done.

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But we figured get real people. I didn't know if he was going to call them. So I can't pretend to be, you know, Susan, Jonathan. Yeah, I know they don't. But I, you know, but you don't know. I haven't been through the process.

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I fill out the paperwork. I have my birth certificate. I give it to him. You know what he did? He filed a notice. He wrote up a piece of paper, just a notice. And he actually put it on the... They have something inside of the courthouse. They actually had a wall, like a posting wall. He went and he stuck it up on the posted wall for 10 days. 10 days later, he took it down.

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Und all the notice said was like, if you have any problem with this person changing their name, please notify me immediately. I'll be filing a motion on this date. Notify me at the court prior to this. Ten days later, he pulled it off. He filed a motion saying, Your Honor, I posted this ten days ago. Nobody has said anything.

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The other thing a lot of places do is they'll actually put it in the newspaper. And there are these little dummy newspapers that nobody actually buys, but it's a real newspaper. And they run an ad in the newspaper. And after two weeks or ten days, if nobody has said anything, then they can apply. So he then put in the application to the judge and the judge went, Boom.

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And I got a thing that says, my name is changed. I then can take that official name change and I went in to the DMV with my driver's license and they changed it on the ID. You then can go to Social Security and do everything else. It's all changed.

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So what I'm saying is, based on that, that this is how this works, you could take that same exact formula and tell people from the Florida Treasury, you could find people's names that really are owed $10,000, $20,000, $40,000 and say, look, you give me 10% upfront and I'll get you the money. But you got to pay me the 10% upfront. Here's what I do.

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And then you just, if they say, well, what about this? You say, look, I need you to get one person to file this. So I'm saying that this is, that you are two people to notarize these two documents or whatever it is. One person to notarize the document that says you are the heir to this person and send me a copy of your birth certificate.

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And I'm going to file a motion that says you're the heir to this person. They'll release the $12,000 or $110,000 or $75,000. It's that simple. I do it all the time. 90 Tage sind zu lang für jemanden, der aufstehen will. Well, okay, but here's the thing.

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I hear you, but you need to tell them a certain period of time, because you need to be able to do this scam for at least, let's say, 60 to 90 days, and then drag it out for another 30. So if you say 60, then you probably have 90 before these people go to the police.

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And you have access to the... But you have the same name or a similar name to him. And as a result of that... Now, this typically comes from someone from England. And they're saying that... dass du, weil dein Name so ähnlich ist, die einzige Person bist, die die Möglichkeit hat, den Fund, den Nigerischen Prinzen-Fund, zu klaimen.

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Ja, aber denke, okay, ich höre dich nicht mehr. Es ist nicht viel Geld, aber auch. Hör auf, du gehst zur Polizei und sagst, hey, dieser Kerl hat mich für 1200 Dollar. Ich würde lieber 100 Leute für 1200 Dollar bekommen, als zwei Leute für 15.000. Ich nehme die 100.000, das ist 100.000, über 100.000 Dollar. Ich nehme das. Ich kann einfach 100 Leute geben, um mir 1.000 Dollar in 90 Tagen zu geben.

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Ich weiß nicht, ob ich zwei Leute auf dieser Scamme geben kann, um mir 15.000 Euro zu geben, auch wenn ich Rufers aufhören muss. Ich könnte es wahrscheinlich, aber das sind viele Telefonrufe. Und was, wenn ich nur einen bekomme? Was, wenn ich niemanden bekomme? Ich bekomme definitiv 100 Leute. Richtig.

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You know, like I think that's because a thousand dollars is not a ton of money for somebody that you can go to a dot gov. You can go to florida.gov and check and you can check it out. And guess what? Jennifer Smith does have forty seven thousand dollars in the account. Or, you know, John Thomas does have it does have fifteen thousand dollars that's owed to him.

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Und ich sage dir jetzt, wenn du mir diese zwei Dinge und das und das gibst, kann ich dir das Geld geben. Du zahlst mir 1.200 Dollar im Vorfeld, plus das, du bekommst es. Du kannst 1.000 bekommen, besonders wenn es alles legit aussieht. Und wenn sie zurückrufen, übrigens, in 60 Tagen, wenn sie ihren Konto nicht bekommen, weißt du, was du tust? Du antwortest dem Telefon. Hey, hi, was geht?

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Oder du hast deinen Sekretär, du musst einen Sekretär involviert haben. Sie wird antworten, dann geben sie es dir. Halt, ich habe so und so. Was passiert?

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Yeah, that worked out. So, but could you imagine that? The secretary answers and she's like, oh, I'm sorry, he's not in. What's going on? And she kind of, she's, well, hold on, let me take a note. Okay, well, wait, let me look up on the computer. Hold on. Yeah, you should have had that check issued. You know what? No, no, I have it here. We sent in the paperwork. Hold on.

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Yeah, it's taking a lot of load. Yeah, so if you sat there and did that and said, no, no, you know what, I'm going to have Mr. Thomas call you back. So, all right, so you're... You just keep dragging it out. You get another month. I just need 90 days. You can easily make 100 grand. Easily.

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Yeah, but that's what's great is as they're checking them out, As they check them, listen, not only that, you understand, you can, I can get, you could get an article placed in, in a, in a, placed on the internet about your company and that this is what you do.

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He would have been like, look, there's an article in the paper, it's gotta be. I mean, think about it, if all of that paperwork had looked legit, and when Zach started looking, an actual article came up from some, listen, you can open up a website.

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Ich glaube, du hättest es bezahlt.

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I think if it was a cleaner scam, you would have paid 11 or so. No, because when he asked for money... You knew right then.

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Und ich werde dich als Berichterstatter repräsentieren, das ist wie ein Berichterstatter. Als dein Berichterstatter werde ich dich repräsentieren. Du musst einfach ein paar Bücher signen. Er hat den gleichen Namen wie du. Manchmal würden sie es mit einem Artikel zusammenbringen, in dem ein Auto-Bombing oder so war. Sie zeigen das und dann fangen Sie an, zurückzukehren.

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Do you know how bad, just talking right now and just coming up with this right now on the florida.gov thing, he had any idea how bad it was. I would love to try that scam. What I just said just now, like if I could get a carte blanche from the government, I would spend a week putting up with it.

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And that seems extremely elaborate. How is it elaborate? It's a website. It's a letter, a website. And it's placing one article in a dummy newspaper online. So that when they go to look you up, if you're on the phone and the person says to you, I don't know, this feels, something's wrong. And you say, hey, listen, I was written up last month in Business Direct. You can look me up right now.

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This is what my company does. There was an article last month on us. It's legit. But if you're not involved, I understand. I appreciate it if you change your mind.

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I'm going on to florida.gov and I'm just searching a name that is owed $45,000. So when I contact you, I explain that there's a loose relation between this person and you. So, you're related to John Smith. He's owed $45,000. He's deceased. He hasn't claimed the money. It's been there for seven years. So what chances are you that you're going to find that?

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To look up people that are owed $45,000, $7,000, $2,000, $3,000. Tons of them. Frank Calta, Treon's dad, was paid $65,000. He had $65,000 on there. I was owed... I was owed over $2,000. You're going to find tons of people that are owed money. And all you have to do, and so you only go with the big ones. You can use the same big one over and over and over again.

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Und dann kommen sie endlich zu einem Punkt, wo sie alle bereit sind zu gehen. Und dann sagen sie plötzlich und alles, was Sie tun müssen, ist, den Transfer zu bezahlen oder die Steuern oder was auch immer. Und wir lassen das Geld. Das ist absolut genau das, was passiert ist. Also es begann mit Lettern. But then it turned into telephone calls. Yes. And then after the phone call.

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They don't even have to have the same name. Because you're saying, you are related to this person. All I need from you is to provide me with your birth certificate and one letter from a friend from someone that's known you that will say they've known you for over five years and that they are telling you that you are related. I even write the letter.

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You just have to go get it notarized and have your buddy Jennifer sign it. Jennifer will do it. Jennifer, you don't understand. Even if the person says, if the person that gets the letter thinks to themselves, yeah, but I've never heard of this person. You know what 99% of people are going to do? I am related. You're right. They're going to say the lawyer said I was related. That happens to me.

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Ja, ich denke, dass das funktioniert. Weil sie können jetzt zu floridatreasure.gov gehen und sie können schauen.

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Oh, it's great, man. You put in like a name, a date to birth or name or whatever, and it will look up. You give them your name, it comes up with all these names, and then you click on it, and then it will tell you, it'll search it, and it'll say, look, this person's owed four different whatever, and it'll say the deposit one is for $1,200, one's for $700.

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And you end up, you're like, oh, wow, this is 2300 Dollar und 12 Cent, die diese Person beurteilt. Also schaust du dich einfach um und gehst jemanden finden und sagst, hey, das ist eigentlich dein Geld. Ich brauche nur, dass du mich bezahlen musst. Ich bekomme es, aber gib mir 10 Prozent vorne. Das ist es. Und sie können es beobachten, aber sie können es nicht selbst bekommen.

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Weil wenn sie denken, ich kann es selbst bekommen. Nein, du kannst es nicht, weil du und ich beide wissen, dass du nicht zu dieser Person verbunden bist. Aber ich bin ein Lehrer und ich sage, dass es eine Verbindung gibt. Und alles, was ich von dir brauche, ist, mich mit diesem und diesem zu vermitteln. Ich habe einen Anruf in den Gericht. Sie haben das Geld verlassen.

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Es wird ungefähr 90 Tage dauern.

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I'm not changing anybody's name.

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Because I'm telling them in the letter and on the phone, I'm telling them that this person is related to them. There is a loose, there is a relation. And it doesn't even matter what the relation is. The person is deceased. And based on, we had an ancestry person look it up and they're saying that you are their only living relative.

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And as a result of that, I just need you to say that you are their only living relative and have this document signed by a friend of yours. Send me your birth certificate to prove that it's you. I then file a motion with the court. And after, within 90 days, the Florida.gov, I'm sorry, FloridaTreasure.gov will release the funds to you.

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Well, I'm saying, no, the first version. Wait, wait, wait. I'm saying the first version was all letters. But then once you were able to make long distance phone calls, they would just call you. That's where the Nigerian phone banks came from. Then it became e-mails. So it's funny to me that this is now a letter again. Yes. Does that make sense?

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They need a lawyer. It's a court proceeding. And deep down, they're thinking to themselves, like, I've never heard of this person. I may need a lawyer. Like, I can't do this on my own, because I don't know. And if they say anything like, well, what's the connection? You say, listen, listen.

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No, you don't even have to say this. I know what you're thinking. You're thinking you're going to go directly to floridatreasure.gov and you're going to try and apply for the money without you. So I'm not going to tell you what our ancestry... Whatever the name of those people are, I'm not going to tell you how they found this out. This is what my company does.

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If you want to check us out, you can go to the website. If you don't want to go to the website, you can look me up online. We were in Business Direct last year or last month. There's an article on my company. This is what we do. If you're interested, great. If you're not interested, I understand. Give me a call back if you're interested. Hang up the phone.

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Ich garantiere dir, dass sie sich die Firma anschauen lassen. Boom, da ist ein verdammtes 1200-Page-Artikel. Sie werden es anschauen. Sie werden sagen, fuck. These people, this is what this guy does. This is what this company does. They're going to then contact a couple of people and everybody's going to be like, yeah, floridatreasure.com.gov. That's a thing. Yeah, why?

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Yeah, I know my friend Jennifer got back $500. Yeah, I looked it up. I got 12. Yeah, but I mean, you're saying they're going to, well, no, I'm saying even if Zach then calls you and says, yeah, floridatreasure.gov. Have you ever heard of that? You're going to be like, yeah, it's the thing where they have the thing, then they give people money back. Yeah, well, I listen.

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I got a letter from a lawyer. Oh, it's perfect. Absolutely. I'm gonna have people there with checks. All these testimonies. Listen, I think that's, to me, that's solid. And that doesn't take more than on and off a couple of days to set up. And then I'm telling you, you're going to easily make $100,000.

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That's $100,000, just your kickback working an hour a day. So because I got scammed, he's going to try. Oh, you're gonna suggest... I'm just saying I would love to try that. I can't, obviously.

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I can't try it. You're gonna concoct... I'm saying that my scam is better than that scam. Of course, that wouldn't work. And mine's doable because anybody's going to come up with $1,000 or $900 or $1,200, $1,300. I like the numbers. Tons of people. I like the numbers. Yeah, and that's nothing. You could easily make $200,000 or $300,000.

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Oh, listen, I got way better scams than that that are way easier than that. I'm just saying based on this. That's a similar scam that would easily work and actually yield a ton of money. I feel bad enough that I fell for this. Yeah, I wouldn't try that. That's beneath me.

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Video bring in. Your video. Are we gonna do the outro?

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This is all part of the... We're still in the meat and potatoes.

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Like through the years, over the last 50 to 70 years, it's evolved, right? And it's all the way back to the letters. Because the letter is way more credible than an email, right? Yes. So I'm sorry. So yeah, that to me is... But you just described exactly... It's a variation though, but let me hear what happened. I'm sorry.

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What did Zax bring in? What did Zax make? 4 million, I think?

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I know I watch Zax's story daily. His full story?

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Oh my God. We need to continue, Zach.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That's a little embarrassing.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, you know what it was too. Really, in a way, it might be embarrassing the other way. Because we probably only had 50,000 subs back then. Deine Geschichte bekam nicht so viel Aufmerksamkeit, wie die Geschichte von Six.

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Oh yeah, you could build a whole huge thing.

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You just got 290? It's only been like a month and two months. We didn't even...

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Kein Diddy. Kein Diddy. Kein Diddy. Das ist ein anderer Diddy.

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Ich liebe die Tatsache, dass ihr ein Haarsbreit, ist es ein Haarsbreit? Weg von senden. Ist das ein Sagen? Ein Haarsbreit?

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Oh, ich dachte, dass... What is it? You escaped death by a hair's breadth. What does a hair's breadth mean? A very small distance or amount. Very close. Well, I don't know what its origins are, but I'll look it up later.

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Yeah, sorry. I will check it out on origins.

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Oh Gott, 15s, it's the 1500s. As a unit of measure that was equal to 148th of an inch. You were young then.

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Okay, so yeah, I see you. You were close. You had a file, you bought a phone. I'm sure, boy, you must have been thinking, I'm finally going to be able to pay off that restitution.

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I'm wondering how far you guys went with this.

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No, I'll do it. I'm not sure what he's doing. He's interviewing people. I don't know what he's doing, but check it out. Also, Zach used to have a channel. If you want to just go there to kind of look at stuff that he used to post, which was, it's called Black Zach. I didn't come up with a name. And you can click on there and go and subscribe there, where Zach actually, he interviewed

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I think one person. He also did his full story, which is great. And then he stopped uploading. I don't know why. So, alright. But maybe he'll do it again. We'll see. Alright, I appreciate you guys. Thank you so much. Also, please consider joining our Patreon. We put Patreon-exclusive content. Most people have probably clicked off by now. It's $10 a month.

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It really does help Colby and I make videos like this. Thank you very much. See ya.

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Ich kann online gehen, in die öffentlichen Rechnungen gehen, deine Adresse bekommen, den Namen des Heimwohners, ich kann eine Tätigkeit, eine Satisfaktion des Wartens, ich kann diese Satisfaktion des Wartens eintragen, ich kann dann den Namen deines Hauses in den Namen von jemand anderem übertragen, oder ich kann einfach eine Fahrerlizenz in den Namen des echten Heimwohners übertragen.

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Ich kann dann das Haus verkaufen oder gegen das Haus verkaufen und And I can do all of that online sitting in Starbucks. I can apply for the mortgages online. I can open up the bank accounts online. I can go to the closing online. I can have all the documents notarized online. And I can have all of the money wired into my bank accounts online.

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I can then transfer that money out of those accounts to other accounts. Or maybe I could buy precious metals. I could buy diamonds. And I can have all of that delivered anywhere I want by sitting in Starbucks. That's how easy it is to commit this crime now. And it's happening more and more every single day. If you think that you're not vulnerable, you're dead wrong.

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You know what's funny? What's so great about this is that I just interviewed a guy who literally worked for a company that tracked down people that had inheritances. This is a real thing. They really do track people down.

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Ja, du musst 10% an verschiedene Charitäten verdienen und dann dividieren wir das. Das ist nicht so, wie es funktioniert. Sie nehmen im Grunde 30%, wie ein normaler Arbeiter. Ja, je nachdem, wie viel sie davon haben, könnten sie 30% aufgrund ihrer Kosten fragen. Wie, hey, wir mussten so viel für das, aber das wird immer noch 1.000.

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I'm going to cover up the name. Well, you won't be on. Nobody can see it. Is this the actual letter? Yes. Because to me, one, this is funny because almost every lawyer letter I've ever seen has been justified. Like the paragraphs are justified. The other thing is, the margins are really horrible. He's covering the whole page. This is almost like an email.

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And the paper, like no lawyer is sending it on this crap paper.

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Well, I don't know about the seals, but it looks legit. It's just the formatting isn't like a legal person.

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He's just dirty. Yeah, he's dirty and he's sending out... He'd still be professional. Listen, I could approve on this. But anyway, go ahead. I feel confident I could approve. And I would have set up a very credible website. Let's move on. Let's keep going.

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Was ist passiert?

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Was hast du, was hast du, als du im Bett warst und du über das gedacht hast, welches Auto du kaufen wirst? Ja.

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Oh, Andrew, Andrew, lass mich dich für das zahlen. Lass mich dich für das zahlen.

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It's a good cashier's check.

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He's a good guy. Superior Court of Justice.

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Superior Court of Justice?

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Their court system cannot be the Superior Court of Justice. Are you kidding me? No, I'm not.

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So, I mean, this is before it was such a huge problem, right? Like, you know, they're not going to have logs sniffing and pulling over people. Did you pretty much just drive through and just stop and show your ID and drive on in or was it?

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To source money, you know, money laundering so that they have they start looking at you. They're like, yeah, he's got an extravagant lifestyle, but he's also flipping houses or has, you know, 20 or, you know, whatever, 30 apartment buildings or so. There's at least some source of income.

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No HR department. They don't they don't write you up and put something in your file and say, hey, two more write ups and you're fired.

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And was this, was this the, like you have that you, you sent me a bunch of, uh, uh, documents. One of the documents was, uh, a picture of you and Choppo. Yeah. Is this before or after that? Yeah.

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did you still have a significant amount of money at this time?

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And that was it. What you're saying is they just... disregarded you flying down there saying, I'm out. Absolutely. They just discarded that. No, send him 350 keys and he's going to keep going. That's exactly what they did. The message is you're not walking away.

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So did he call down there and arrange for people to be there waiting for you? Did he explain all of this over the phone?

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The arrangement that you make with them is not it. So you're not in a position to say, I'll work with you, drop everything because they already have. They're already working on putting together a case. So the arrangement you make with them is I'll plead guilty. Right. To something. And then I'll I'll work that down. That's exactly right.

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Are they flying you down there as Hal Bradley? And they're introducing you to people. How are you getting introduced to? Because you're not going after the Sinaloa cartel directly.

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So you set up a drug deal where they're going to you're bringing cash, they're bringing drugs, and then you guys just bust them.

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So Sinaloa at this time has to know that you've been involved in this whole thing. They did. Is there like a standing order to try and find and kill you or they just shrug it off?

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What, what was the work you were doing with the, uh, CIA and, and the other agencies?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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How did they know who you are?

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Can we go back to or finish the story? They flew you out. You were about to explain what happened. And I interrupted you just because I thought, what happened to Manny? You know, so what happened when they flew you out and you get there, you land?

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You know, you gave him the whole golly gee whiz. I never would have done that if I had known.

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Hey, you guys, I appreciate you watching. Do me a favor, hit the subscribe button and the bell so you get notified of videos just like this. Also, we're going to leave all of Hal's links to his podcast, YouTube channel, to the books that he's got. I believe they're all on Amazon. Regardless, we'll leave all the links in the description box, so you just click on those.

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Go there, subscribe, follow, check out all of his stuff. Once again, really appreciate it. Please consider joining my Patreon. It's $10 a month. It really does help Colby and I make these videos. Thank you very much. See ya.

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This is the part that just kills me, by the way. At that time, was Mexico just a lot less dangerous of a place?

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That's pretty cool. I love World War II. I'm a huge World War II buff. Listen, I've probably watched every documentary on World War II on YouTube at least once. You and me both, brother. You and me both. Go ahead. Do you watch Netflix? Netflix has... They have a great series called, I think it's called Hitler's Henchmen. Yeah. It's really. Yeah, it is.

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You know, it was. That's interesting. It really shows you what happens when you surround yourself by yes men.

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And this is all state. Yeah.

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That's horrible, bro.

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And he is currently a book author and rapper. Should be a super interesting interview. So check it out. Let's go back and start from the beginning, you know, like just like we were born. We're in Milwaukee.

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So you did four more years, but this time you weren't in a juvenile facility. So when you got out this time, I mean, were you still thinking the same way?

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Right. Well, so, so then you basically get out after four years, you've got kind of a different mindset. So what was, what was your plan?

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All right, so. What's the next thing that happened? What year is this, by the way?

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Um, so, okay. So when did you, how long did this go on until the, what, either near next till something changed or you got arrested or. Sure. Sure.

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Did your parents have several kids? I mean, were they your brothers, sisters?

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they they came to certain houses no drugs were ever found and i was being harassed for like a year from this uh so did you know why or did you have any any inkling as to that that this guy had put put the feds on to you or you just were you just like i have no idea what's going on like

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All right. What did your mom do for a living?

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So you were indicted, they came and arrested you?

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Okay. Your dad, was he in your life?

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Okay. So, and then you got out. Was the lawsuit still going, or had you already settled the lawsuit?

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You would use that to help kind of bolster your case. All the information that came out with with the officer that he had, he was obviously willing to set people up. So you use that to bolster your case. And then what they took out, you took out, I mean, they settled.

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I appreciate it. Um, so what, what was the next? So what happened? So they, they settled the case with you. They came to you just before trial, right? Was this the one? And then they offered you something and you were like, okay, I'll, I'll take it because you don't, you know, like something's better than nothing.

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And at this point, he's also been implicated in corruption charges where he's talking about, it's been proven that he's talking about framing people.

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They don't want that coming up in court.

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Right. So after that lawsuit was settled... What happened then? Because you have another lawsuit. There were those two lawsuits and there's a third lawsuit.

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Well, how did that, how did that get started? Like, how'd you start selling drugs?

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And I felt... I was gonna say, they don't care. Like, they don't care about the inmates. We used to joke that the... you know, the single largest contributor to, you know, deaths in Coleman, it was, was medical. I mean, medical, we, we gather guys going to medical and getting the wrong medication or not being given their medication. And there was a guy who had got off the bus and,

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one time who was asthmatic and you know, they get you off the bus like just before count. Right. So you get out of like R and D and then like, you have to go to count or, you know, like four o'clock close to four o'clock. So he goes in immediately and says, Hey, look, look, I need my, uh, my inhaler.

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You know, like I, I, it's in medical and, and they were like, yeah, right after count, right after count. And he's like, no, man, I need it now. Like I'm extremely asthmatic. And they were like, bro, they were like, you know, then immediately they're like, you know, they do the whole intimidation thing, you know, get in the cell right now or, you know, you're going to get thrown in the shoe.

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And so he's like, and they're like, look, we'll get it for you. But this is, you don't run nothing here. So he goes and gets in the cell. Of course, they count you at four, but it's not till like 420, 430 till they're completely done. But then he goes up to the, hey, goes up to the CEO. Hey, man, I need my stuff. They're like, we'll get to it when we get to it. Well, listen, it's after 5, 530.

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Medical's gone. So by the time the cop comes out, he says, oh, I called down there, but they're already gone. You have to wait till tomorrow. He's like, bro, what if something happens? You'll be fine. A dude died that night. He had an asthma attack. He'd been on the bus. He was extremely, you know, a lot of anxiety, you know, which isn't good.

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And he had an asthma attack in the middle of the fucking night and he died. Wow. They don't give a shit. They don't give a fuck. Was there, did a lawson service do to that? I don't know because you know what's so funny? You know what they always do?

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They always grab him and call medical and then they come in with a stretcher and they put you on a stretcher and then they call the ambulance and then they say he died on the way to the hospital. Never died there. They always died on the way to the hospital. We had another guy, we had a guy that went into medical one time He went in on like a Thursday, complained about his chest pain.

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They said, we got to come back tomorrow. So he came back on Friday and said, I need to see the doctor. They said, you can see him on Monday, right? You know, he filled out the form. They said, no, you don't understand. I got chest pains. I got chest pains. They said, yeah, Monday. You come back Monday. So that night, well, not that day. It was in the middle of the day. He came walking in.

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and his name was Kiki, and he fell, boom, right in front of my, in front of my cell, dead, had a massive heart attack, in his 30s, like, in his mid-30s, but he was, he was extremely overweight, black eye, overweight, you know, chest pains, died, and that was it, like, oh, they, they, you know, Immediately they called medical, medical came in. They put him on a stretcher.

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I'm telling you right now, the man was dead in front of my, right in front of my cell. So they said later it came out, he died on his way to the hospital. That man was dead before he hit the ground. He didn't move not one bit. They came and they did the whole, you know, boom on his chest and they lifted him up and it took four people to get him outside. And listen, he was done, bro. He was done.

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He wasn't alive. So anyway, yeah, they'll kill you. They're not going to help you.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Okay. Um, so how long, I mean, and then you ended up, you said you ended up catching a case.

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Yeah, that's the thing.

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So is there anything that you feel like we haven't touched on?

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Well, you know, it's funny you mention that. I have a buddy who is locked up. His name's Donovan Davis. Black guy. So he is a heavy equipment guy. operator and mechanic. So he can fix diesel engines and hydraulic systems and all kinds of massive machines that you pay hundreds of dollars an hour for to hire a mechanic.

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He also does his family, and he grew up doing this, they do grading where they grade large swaths of land, they cut trees down, that whole thing, right? So He works at facilities in the camp at Coleman. Coleman is the largest federal complex in the nation, and it's an hour north of Tampa.

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So when it came down to COVID, do you remember getting released in the CARES Act where they're releasing inmates? You had 50% of your time completed nonviolent, You have an out-custody status, right? He's at a camp. So you meet those requirements.

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And if you have a high probability of being susceptible to COVID, you have asthma, you have obesity, you use a CPAP machine, you have any of those things. So he has all of them. Here's the thing. He's in there for a white-collar crime. White-collar crime, never been in trouble before. Made the mistake of going to trial, though. Got 17 years. But he had half of his sentence complete.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Now, here's the thing. You have 7, 8, 9, 10, 15 guys with very similar charges as him. Like wire fraud, like white-collar guys. Guys that ran Ponzi schemes. those guys all got released. And there's actually, I have a list of the names of them. They all got released. So there's twofold to this problem. One, all of these people were released. Same criteria as Donovan. They were all white.

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Donovan is a black guy. And here's the other thing. Donovan clears all the lots around the prisons. There's five prisons in Coleman. He fixes all the equipment. He fixes the equipment so well, they're shipping equipment from other institutions to Florida to be repaired. They throw all their stuff on a truck. They ship it down here because guess what? Donovan gets paid $4 a day.

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$1.15 an hour or whatever that comes to, $6, $7 a day, $8 a day, or you pay somebody $250 an hour to work on your hydraulic equipment and your diesel equipment and your forklifts and He does it for almost nothing. Nothing. He does it for a cup of coffee a day at Starbucks. He'll save you. He just cleared all of the trees on the tree lines around the prisons. That's a $100,000 job.

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Literally, I got a copy of his... His wife sent me a copy of his report from his counselors. He'd saved them over a million dollars in the last four years, they said. The warden loves him. Everybody thinks you're saving us tons of money. You're doing great. You're doing great. He gets to drive around in the truck, around the perimeter by himself. He gets everything.

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But when it came time to releasing him, he didn't get released. Why would you release a guy that's saving you hundreds of thousands of dollars a year? Why would you release him? He meets the criteria. So during this whole thing, when this whole thing was going and they were trying to get him released and they kept denying him, he got denied, like, I think three times.

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And every time they came up with some other reason. He's a, he's a, you know, he's a risk to the public. Really? He's a white collar risk to the public? You have him in a camp. He's in a fucking camp, bro. If I'm, there's no fence. I can leave anytime I want. I can say, hey, honey, pick me up on the street. Jump in the car and drive off. So he's got his custody level zero.

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He's got his risk level is like zero. He's at a camp. More than 50% of his time, asthmatic, overweight, obese, uses a CPAP machine. All of the problems. Oh, he also has diabetes. They don't release him. Why would they? All these other guys got released. They were fine. Most of them didn't even have medical conditions. But they served 50% of their time. They were nonviolent. They got home.

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Okay. What'd you shoot up with? Is it like a .22? Is it an AK-47?

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So during the course of this whole thing, his lawyer... filed and said, because let's face it, if you know the law, him being turned down doesn't mean anything. The only way he really has a right to sue is if you're discriminating against him because he's Jewish, race, religion. What he's saying, I'm suing because I'm black. And they said, oh, that's not true. That's not what's happening.

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He said, really? I want a list of the race of everybody that was released. The BOP is refusing to give them that list. They're saying, we don't keep tabs on that. What are you talking about? You keep tabs. You know exactly who was released and what color they are. You can't look up an inmate without knowing what color he is. When I go to look up inmate finder, I punch it, you punch in Matt Cox.

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It says there's only three things they want to know. What's his name? What's his race? And what's his sex? That's it. So you know what race these guys are. I think their huge fear and what their lawyer thinks they're afraid of is that when they do that list, that it is going to be astronomically... disproportionate to the true race that should have been released.

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It should be at least close to equal. I'll bet you 95% of the people that were released from prison were white. I have a buddy who writes for Forbes magazine who's been on this whole thing. And he also ordered a Freedom of Information Act. He said they won't give it to him either. And his whole thing, his name's Walt Pablo.

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He said, we were talking and he goes, he said, Matt, he said, you know, I've helped like 40 people, 50 people get released. And I said, okay. He said, they weren't all white. I said, really? He said, no, no. Two of them were Spanish. Two Spanish guys, all white guys, no black guys. He said, I have another buddy who got released. His name is, we call him Zach.

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Zach helped something like 10 or 15 people. And he said, you know what? He said, out of all the people I helped, he said, I think only two of them were black guys that got out, that actually got it. Everybody else was white, he said. So, I mean... So anyway, Donovan's filing a lawsuit. They're fighting. They're arguing. They're no, no, no. But think about it. So there's two things here.

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One, they weren't letting out a lot of black guys. And two, why would you release this guy? He's saving you millions, millions of dollars. You're not going to get another guy like this. Think about it. You're not going to get a guy with that type of skill set who can be in a camp and be allowed to drive around and do all these things by himself. That's rare commodity, and it's worth millions.

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Why release them? They will use you up, chew you up, and spit you out. You know that. They don't give a fuck. And this is the thing about the BOP, just about government in general. If people think, oh, well, no, I want a big government. No, the government cares about you. Let me tell you something. When you give the government absolute power...

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they will treat you just like they treat those inmates because they have absolute power. Absolute power corrupts absolutely, and there's no repercussions to how they can treat you. They'll treat you however they want to treat you. And if you think they won't, you're fucking crazy. Like if the government gets too, too big, which is already too big, this is how they treat you, like an inmate.

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You know, I mean, you've seen it. You're fighting right now. You're only fighting because you're bright enough to fight. Most people aren't. Most people can't write emotions.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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CCE. What is it? CCE. Continuous Criminal Enterprise. Basically like RICO.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Okay. Where'd you get the gun?

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get granted compassionate release who actually had cases like robbery you know so I really just I really just don't understand the system I really don't so you know out of I want to say I don't know how many people it is to be honest I think it's like 10 or 15 thousand do you know there's only like less than half a dozen guys that got new charges that were released less than half a dozen six guys that got

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New charges. All right, so think about that. You could release, if you could release 10 or 12,000 guys and put them on ankle monitors and have them go work They don't cost you anything. You just save $50,000 a year to incarcerate these guys. Because most people say, oh, it costs about $32,000 a year to incarcerate a federal prisoner. You're missing something.

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That federal prisoner now doesn't pay income taxes, sales taxes, property taxes. So when you add it all in, they actually cost close to $50,000 to incarcerate someone. So... Roughly $50,000. Instead, you can have him get out, put him on an ankle monitor, go to work. He only gets to go to work and come home, go to the grocery store and go to church and come home. Like, that's it.

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So you're telling me that you can release 10, 12,000 guys and monitor them. What the fuck do we have those guys in prison for then? If you can do that with those guys, why are they in prison? Why were they imprisoned to begin with? Now they're all contributing. Now they're all paying taxes. They're all paying sales tax, property taxes, income taxes, and it's not costing you $32,000 a year.

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So now what's happening? You're saving $15,000 a year by having them on an ankle monitor. And out of like 10,000 guys, six of them over the course of two years got new charges. I think two dozen of them actually like got thrown back in jail. Like they did something like, you know. Ran off with their girlfriend for the weekend. Whatever. They do stupid stuff. They violated.

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So how did you end up in Juby, though? That wasn't the case, you said, right? Or was it?

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I'm talking about new charges. A violation is just stupid. That's not a new charge. That's not a criminal charge. It doesn't hurt anybody but the inmate. I'm talking about new charges. Like six guys got new charges. And they were minor charges. These aren't like they murdered somebody. These are guys that sold drugs out of their house or something. Like, okay, so what?

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And they got another charge, and they got violated, and they went back to prison. They got an extra two years, and that's it. So what are you doing? You see what I'm saying? That's hundreds of millions. If you add that up, 50,000 times the 12 or however many thousand guys that got released times two, three, four, five years, you're saving hundreds of thousands,

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millions, millions of dollars every single year. Why are they in prison? Not even to mention the astronomical length of guys' sentences. Like the same sentence that you would get in almost any country in Europe. You get six months, two years. Here you get 10, 15 years. And you know this, like the only reason that makes sense is money. That's it. Money in politics. So, so, I mean, I, I hear you.

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Like, I, I definitely believe the system is extremely, you know, unjust. Um, but listen, um, what do you think of anything else that we didn't touch on or that we'll

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They will use you up, chew you up, and spit you out. You know that. They don't give a fuck. And this is the thing about the BOP. Just about government in general. Like, if people think, oh, well, no, I want a big government. No, the government cares about you. Let me tell you something. When you give the government absolute power...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Sure, no problem. I appreciate you coming on. Yeah, I used to say the BOP wants me to work at Walmart when I get out. Right. Like that's that's all they want from you. Work at Wal-Mart. Go get a job at Wal-Mart or McDonald's. That's all they want. They don't they don't want to see you get out and do something. And I don't want that.

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Wow. Even if you're making more money doing... They don't want that. I just don't see them wanting people to be successful when they get out. They say they do because it sounds good, but they don't do anything to help encourage that. What they help encourage is for you to go get a job at Walmart or Amazon or go work at FedEx or go work at, yeah, that's what they want you to do.

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Work 60, 70 hours a week.

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that and be you know work from nine until six or seven go home go to sleep watch netflix go to bed wake up the next morning do it again that's what we want hey this is matt cox and i appreciate you guys checking out the video and if you like the video do me a favor hit the subscribe button hit the bell so you get notified videos like this also please share the video and leave me a comment in the comment section it really does help thank you very much for watching and i will see you

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And that's when you got your high school diploma? Yeah. So, I mean, obviously, you get out. When did you get out?

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Okay. And so you went and you got a job at the bank and now that's, you know, you're still working there and everything's fine and you did the right thing and. Now you're a mortgage broker, and now? Yeah, I wish.

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So how long did that go on until you got busted again or?

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they will treat you just like they treat those inmates because they have absolute power. Absolute power corrupts absolutely, and there's no repercussions to how they can treat you. Hey, this is Matt Cox. I'm going to be interviewing Ronnie Bowe. He is a former drug dealer, wrongfully incarcerated, sued the police, I think, two or three different times.

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Your lawyer didn't fight that? He just said, oh yeah, that's the way it is?

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UFO Whistleblower Leaks Alien Footage & Exposes Government Cover-Up!!! (Video Footage)

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Can you break down a quick timeline of the footage?

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There's three comments on the last video that I think are kind of similar to what you guys have been talking about. I'll just read them and you might have some thoughts or not. Either this is all pure bullshit or the pure truth. Both are equally as terrifying.

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My grandfather was a radar operator during the Cold War, and he told me that he'd seen UAPs on his radar screen, and his commander ordered him not to tell or record this event. He told his grandson that when he was in his 70s and didn't have too much to lose. I had a face-to-face contact. I witnessed a life-changing event in 2008.

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The highest irony is delusional people calling me delusional for shouting this from the rooftops. So... I just thought that was interesting because you kind of touched on all three of those points throughout this. That's interesting because... Those are the top comments that are liked by most, you know, everybody.

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You've got a documentary produced, right? Yeah.

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The Craziest Crimes Behind Bars | Olboy from the Nitty

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You gave your family all your money. Yeah, you heard me.

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No, wasn't me.

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What kind of car were you driving?

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Listen to me.

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And...

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MIKE DOWD COMES CLEAN! Untold Stories from America's Most Corrupt Cop

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You can't just do that. They're young kids. They're rookies. You can't just take their shit. I go, put that back.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I go, I guess you're right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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For him, I will.

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So it gets better.

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Who the fuck are they looking at? Who the fuck are they looking at? Not me. Like, this is it. I'm like, I'm getting a little bit woody here.

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What are you going to do, run up the stairs with a box of cheese in your hand? Fucking just load the car.

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It's worth a lot of money.

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Jammed up together. Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

UFC Fighter Caught Smuggling, Locked Up Abroad, & Fighting for His Life | Ian Heinisch

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No, I mean that is it because the spear it was from just pure okay straight from the jungle.

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Where was this prison again?

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That's crazy. I can't believe they called my name. This has got to be a mistake, fellas. It's got to be a mistake.

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I can't remember. I'm going to get this all straightened out. I'll see you guys in a couple of days.

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Oh, my God. I did years for a laptop and some bad checks.

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He's driving me nuts.

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That's a mistake.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know what I just did? You're so lucky they didn't throw me in the shoe. Yeah. Is that a low? Yeah. No, no. This was at the medium.

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I know he's got a kid here.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And you know what? Even that time, nothing happened at the medium.

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Something happened at the pen.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Something would happen at the pen.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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This shit ain't funny. Excuse me, Lieutenant. Can I talk to you real quick?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That's gangster for real. He fucking was laughing. That's true gangster, yeah. He's like, bro. He said, I've never felt so bad in my life.

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And he wants $1,000. I'll just take your, beat you with your crutch.

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What are you doing?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Framed for Life: How Corrupt Cops Sent an Innocent Man to Prison

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Wow. You know, the, the interesting thing, I mean, other than just, you know, what an egregious act is, is that I'll bet you the prosecutor and those detectives just broke their arms patting themselves on the back, telling themselves that they did the right thing, went home, slept like babies, didn't think a thing about it.

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So... Okay, so you get shipped off to prison. Right. You're processed. You get shipped off to prison. Right. You're how old again? I'm 17 by this point. 17, and they sent you to a maximum security prison? Yes. You had to have been put in, like, protective custody or something, right?

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That's a horrible situation.

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Well, what I wanted to ask is, you know, You're going in as a rapist, murderer, essentially a sex offender, right? Right. Yeah, exactly right. Into a maximum security prison. Yeah. How, I mean, I understand you said you had, you know, there was several, you know, there was, you know, altercations. Yeah.

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But, I mean, how are the other inmates, are you being told, like, hey, you can't, you can't watch TV, you can't do this, you can't walk on the rec yard, you can't, like, is that, you know, is that happening at that prison? Or are they saying, or are you saying, hey, I went to trial, I'm not guilty of this, and the other inmates. Yeah. Yeah.

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No. Well, inmates aren't known for, you know, well thought out responses. So, I mean, I can see them, you know, they hear guilty. And even though, you know, most of them want to say that, you know, they were they were bamboozled by the, you know, by the police.

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you know, by the, uh, the government, you know, whatever the U S attorney's office or the state attorney's office, you know, in their case, and they didn't desire this much time and they didn't, but the moment they hear somebody has a charge of, Oh, he's a rapist there. Oh, the scumbag piece of garbage. What are you talking about, bro? Like you, you said you shouldn't even be here.

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He said he shouldn't be here. Like they're, they're always quick to jump on somebody, even though, I was going to say, even though, you know, when you get up there for sentencing, uh, The prosecutor makes you sound like the biggest piece of garbage, and you know, like, hey, that's not true. That's an exaggeration. He's, you know, that's not, that never happened at all, you know, in your own case.

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But then guys jump on each other. You know, they're always, I don't know, whatever. People are assholes.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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At what point, how long had you been locked up at this point? 16 years. 16 years, okay.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Is that a certificate of eligibility or something else?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Okay. Did you ever get in high school? Did you ever get in trouble or anything?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, wait a second. This is starting to feel unfair. And I know specifically that I've been told over and over again that the U.S. justice system is extremely fair. They couldn't possibly have made a mistake.

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That hasn't been your experience?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, it's, it's fine. Okay. So just kind of a regular, I'm not, if there is a regular, you know, upbringing, everybody's either on the fringes or maybe they're popular or maybe they're not popular or, you know, nobody really, I don't know that there's really a traditional, you know, growing up, everybody's got something going on. Um, so what, so you were in high school.

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If that happened today and they said, hey, there's semen and they ran it against everyone, would it stay in the system?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Okay, so the Innocence Project had to get the DNA, upload it, it matched. Yeah. Because what I was wondering was, well, okay, well, you're saying that he killed someone else, and they retested his DNA, and I was thinking to myself, well, why wasn't it already in the system? but you just didn't- Really, yeah, right.

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Okay, so my second question is, when you got that news, you were incarcerated, did the lawyer come see you? Did they just say, call the office?

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So when, when did this, did you go to college? You start college or?

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So the next day they come, they pick you up, they drive you to court?

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They're pressed there?

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What about the U.S. prosecutor, or I'm sorry, the state prosecutor?

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It was just the same U.S. prosecutor, I'm sorry, No, no, no. Same state prosecutor?

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One more question. Did the state prosecutor give you a, you know, my bad or, you know, hey. Yeah, yeah.

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Right. Okay. Sorry. Go ahead. You were saying?

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I understand. Did you go through a period of time when you felt like the doorbell would ring or you kept feeling like they were going to come and say, we made a mistake?

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In the state prison system, do they have a four o'clock count where you have to be standing up in your cell?

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I was going to say, so around 330, 345, for probably the first, I'm telling you, over a year, I would feel extremely anxious in my chest. I would get this anxiety, like I need to be somewhere. And I knew I'm supposed to be standing up in my cell at 4 o'clock. They're going to come around to count. You have to stand there. You stand there. You be quiet in the hole.

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The only time the dorm or the unit was quiet. Because every time, you know, most people, they think of prison, they think, oh, you're isolated and it's quiet. I prayed for isolation. It was constant noise and banging and screaming and hollering. But

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Yeah, that was the only time the unit was quiet, and I, you know, just 10, 15 minutes beforehand, you always feel like, you know, okay, we got to hurry up, I got to hurry up, I got to get my cell, I got to get my cell. You didn't want to be caught outside your cell. Now, I was in the medium at one point.

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They had a door, so obviously, you know, there's lockdown, but I was also in an open bay, and you just basically just had to be in your cell. You just run there, and you go there, but I felt like that for... Over a year, and I did, I kept thinking they're going to realize they made a mistake. Like, they're going to come get me. I mean, a lot of the same things you're talking about.

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Like, even, you know, dating someone, it's, yeah, they feel uncomfortable around you. It's an issue, you know?

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Yeah, no, I, I, I, I understand that. Yeah. Yeah, you really have to address it. You just have to address it pretty much up front, even though you're going to lose a few.

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But I'm sorry. So now you had said you had gotten a scholarship.

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drug addict who was high and um he he attacked uh murdered and raped her and so her body was missing for like three days okay i i didn't realize this wasn't that this this all took place in high school i i just kind of i don't know why i assumed it was college or something but okay so

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You know, which, you know, maybe that's why it happened.

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I was going to say, it's not going to get you anywhere. It's, you know, it's the whole concept of, you know, drinking the poison, hoping it kills the other guy. You know, it's just, you know, silly. So, yeah, you're absolutely going about it the right way. I was going to say the book. Have you written a manuscript? Have you written? Yes.

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Um, As far as a bestseller is concerned, you're right. You probably have more of a chance, but it doesn't mean you don't have a chance if it's not a bestseller. And I was going to say, you definitely need a literary agent, obviously. Sure.

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It's not like you can't write. You were writing a column once a week.

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Yeah, it's definitely one of the things prison teaches you is that, you know, money is not going to make you happy.

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I listen. I understand.

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I hear you. Listen, I have no friends that I didn't meet in prison. I don't know if you know this. I was incarcerated for 13 years. Guilty, absolutely guilty of every one of the charges. But all my current friends are guys that I knew from prison. Because you're right. You're right. Even if you meet somebody and they're nice and they're friendly and everything else, you're right.

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They don't invite you out. They don't. You make them feel uncomfortable. You know, I get it. You don't you don't feel comfortable. That's fine. I don't want I'm not begging you to come around me, you know, but yet. But you're right. All my friends I met in prison, they eventually get out. I kept in touch with them. They get out. We hang out. We help each other. We support each other.

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But yeah, you're right. No, there's no new friends. I don't know any normal people. So I understand what you're saying. It's tough. And I made an effort. When I first got out, I made a genuine, genuine effort. Didn't happen. You know? Yeah. I have one friend. I have one friend, but he actually lives in an estate. So we're more text friends.

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You know, you text each other once a day or you send a TikTok message. You know, like we don't hang out.

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Well, you know, I was even going to say, even the things that you have in common, going to law school, going to college, when you went to college, you weren't 20 years old. You didn't have the same college experience that other people did at 20, 21, 19, 23, you know, maybe if they're dated, 25 when they graduated. You didn't go to college until you were in your thirties. Right.

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Yeah. Yeah. I, I, I agree. I definitely, I can, I can definitely see, talk to people and, and start to play out how things are going to go, go down for them when most people don't think that way. Cause in prison, you have to think that long-term is this someone I need to be around because he's got a week to six months before he gets stabbed or gets in trouble or the, do I want to be around him?

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Do I want to be associated with him? It's,

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it's kind of like the um when two guys get into to a fight in prison you walk away everybody walks away you're all standing around and watch it because when the guards show up they're going to grab both of them and five or ten of the guys that are standing around them you walk away in high school you stand around and watch the fight you know it's it's a people there's all these little things that people don't understand how you behave you know um

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I was going to say, as far as the funding is concerned, we'll make sure to put all of your links to the Patreon in the description box for you.

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Yeah, that would be. Okay, so you broke up for a second there. What was it again?

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I have a Patreon, and I mean, look, like, 10 bucks helps. People think, oh, well, you know, I don't really have anything. Well, you know, I'd like to, but listen, I'm not asking for $400 a month, 10 bucks, $9, $9.99, you know, sign up for a nice thing about Patreon. You can sign up for $3. Like I, you know, if it's, if it's 50, that's great. If it's $10, it adds up. Right.

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I don't mean, and you know, so I'm, I'm extremely appreciative of anybody that can, anybody that can contribute in any way, especially because they don't have to. You know, they don't owe me anything. So, you know, and they don't owe you anything, but you're, if it's a good pause, then, you know, throw a little bit of money that way, if you can. Sure.

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It also excludes her running across a random person. It's now they're focusing on a peer.

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Right. I think it's supposed to be about fairness. Yeah, no, I agree. I, you know, love what I think about it.

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We used to joke, we used to always joke the leading cause of death at the prison I was at, it was Coleman. We used to say the leading cause of death here is medical. Um, you know, I can't tell you how many guys that went in for clearly there were clear problems and they were dead, you know, two weeks later, it was clear. The guy's got heart problem. He's got heart pain, heart pain.

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He goes in three times. They say, come back on Monday, come back on this. Oh, you just got indigestion. Oh, you'll be fine. Oh, come back Monday. Boom. He dies right then. He went in three times. I have a buddy who had self-diagnosed himself as having a hernia. They said, you've got an ulcer. Don't eat these foods. Stop eating these foods. He said, I didn't eat one food that was on that list.

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Sure enough, eventually he complained so much, eventually they came back, sent him out for whatever it is, a scan to see if he had, what was wrong with him. He had two ulcers. But they wouldn't give him the report. They told him that they found nothing. He eventually got his mother to get a copy of the report, showed two ulcers. But they were telling him, nope, you have an ulcer.

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I'm sorry, it showed two hernias. They were telling him it's an ulcer. He finally got the report. When he got the report, then his mother, of course, contacted the governor's office. They immediately called the prison. Now, suddenly they were like, oh, we're going to give you the surgery. Of course we were. What are you talking about? We never said that.

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I mean, they're just, you know, they're scumbags. But I understand exactly what you're saying. It's the whole giving some guy 15 years for selling, you know, a crack rock. I mean, you know, a crack rock, you know, because he had a gun in his house. He sold it three miles away, but he had a gun in his house, sold a crack rock, got 15 years. Why?

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Because, oh, well, yeah, but he's been arrested for selling crack before. 15 years? So, you know, I mean, listen, we could go back and forth and back and forth. I'll, you know, bitch and complain the entire time, but I'm just not in a position to do anything but bitch and complain. You know, luckily, you're in a better position.

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So I was going to say definitely, I mean, definitely anybody watching should, you know, go in the description and click the link and donate if it's $10 or $5 or $50 or whatever it may be, a one-time donation or even just sign up. To me, signing up is better because $10 a month isn't going to bother me at all.

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You know, giving, you know, a hundred bucks once, I'd rather have the $10 every month for two years than the $100 once. You know, I know it hurts less. Do you have anything else you want to say?

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I was just concerned about my safety in the moment. Well, wait a second. This is starting to feel unfair. And I know specifically that I've been told over and over again that the U.S. justice system is extremely fair. They couldn't possibly have made a mistake. Hey, this is Matt Cox. I'm going to be doing an interview with Jeffrey Deskivitz.

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Hey, I appreciate you guys watching. If you liked the video, do me a favor. Hit the subscribe button. Hit the bell so you get notified of videos just like this. Also, share the video. That really helps. Leave me a comment in the comment section. That helps with the algorithm.

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And definitely, if you want to click on any of the links and you want to donate to Jeff's Foundation, the links will be in the description box. And I really do appreciate you guys checking out the video. And... See ya.

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And he is currently an attorney and was also wrongfully convicted and spent a significant time in prison. We're going to be going over his story. It's super interesting. So check out the interview.

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I thought they were going to go with the old, that just means there were two perpetrators, you and someone else.

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ServiceNow unterstützt Ihre Business-Transformation mit der KI-Plattform. Alle reden über KI, aber die KI ist nur so leistungsfähig wie die Plattform, auf der Sie aufbaut. Lassen Sie die KI arbeiten. Für alle. Beseitigen Sie Reibung und Frustration Ihrer Mitarbeiter und nutzen Sie das volle Potenzial Ihrer Entwickler. She doesn't know. It's just a regular good person.

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Another regular good person that's now been hurt because of me. Right.

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Inside Edition came to my work and tricked me into going there. Now, I've already been off of probation for two years.

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most people probably thought it was going to be a lot more advertising than what it was. So illegal, probably not unethical, probably so. So now at this point, I start to go back and forth from

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ohio to new york because i still have my girlfriend there but then the receptionist who was 21 years old at 19 years old her and i we started to chat a little bit i was 23 24 or something like that maybe 25 um and uh i think i was like 25. so we started chatting it up so that really wasn't going that well

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So I leave him a message to tell him to call me. So he calls me. So for me, I was like, man, this has got to be fate. We're supposed to disconnect the phone. Or maybe it was just a new feature. It could have been. Maybe. I don't know. But for me, I was like, this has got to be fate. So it takes him about two weeks to convince me to go to Ohio.

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it was going well but my home life was falling apart at the same time so i come back home um and back to new york and then i would tell him i want to go for like maybe a couple weeks but i'd stay there back home for like three months then i'd come back make a couple more dollars and i'd go go back and at this whole time i'm still doing everything that i thought was was legit

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So then I go back home now because now she's going to have the baby, my girlfriend. She's going to have the baby because now she's pregnant again. Not again, but she's pregnant. So I'm going to have another child again. And my plan was to go home, hang there for a week, wait until everything, I knew everything was okay, and then go back and then maybe bring her there, possibly maybe.

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Correct. It's way behind me. I'm now moving on. And on the video it says, and he's got one last statement for his victims.

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Um, but that was going to be very hard because the receptionist was still there. So I was living two different lives, you know, one in Ohio and then one at home.

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Um, at this point I was making, I was making okay money, maybe, you know, three grand a week. Um, you know, it was, it was okay. Yeah, it was, it was okay money.

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Yeah, I mean it wasn't – but then there would be weeks where I just didn't care and I'd make $500, $600, $700. But eventually I negotiated that I was getting paid off of the whole room. So the whole room had to make X amount of dollars. I was getting – so eventually I negotiated a pretty –

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okay money and but there would be you know i got the big check itis where last week you know i get a real big check this week yeah screw it i can live off of that plus whatever so now my son's born my second son and when he's born immediately as soon as i held him i just looked at his mom and said yeah i'm not going back just not gonna happen um

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So I decided, well, actually, all right, I'll just start my own room here. So the way it worked is if you paid over the phone, I couldn't get a credit card merchant because I didn't have enough time with the business or anything like that. So I couldn't get a merchant to be able to take credit cards over the phone. And this is well before Apple Pay and all that kind of stuff and Venmo.

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So they would give me their routing and account numbers and and I would go to Staples and get the three checks that were there and I would have to put it, input it, their routing number, their account number. So technically it was still a check. Yeah.

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And I would go and deposit it into the business bank account and I would get 15, 20, $30,000 at a, at a time or in a week or something like that and deposit it. But then what,

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the customers were doing is they were saying i never wrote that check and because there's not their signature or anything like that i was getting overdrawn like like crazy it just didn't work out for me the way i wanted to i went and got this office hired some people thought it was just going to be great and all this stuff and i was just going to do it with just checks and i'd be okay and it just didn't work out so

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At this point now, my son's mom and I, we decide, you know what? Maybe we'll move to Florida. So I get a call from Ted's wife and cause she hears that I might be getting ready to move to Florida. She's like, all right, listen. So what we'll do, I'll have you come on down here to Florida and we'll we'll just use cell phones.

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Cause they still had the office still in Ohio, but it was just, it was just running on fumes. It just was nothing. So, um, I come down, I come down to Florida and now we're using cell phones, calling people saying that all, all the same, the same stuff that we're supposed to be saying, but Ted, the owner on the side, he is still working for other people. Now the other place is shut down.

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There's another one. Now he's working for another guy. And so I would do the legit stuff that I thought during the day. And then at night we'd call people and say, Hey, I got great news. your property is already sold. You got to pay half the closing costs and all this stuff. And we just started basically lying to people. So I feel for my own self is I feel a lot of the stuff that I did in Ohio was

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So I was going to go on out there. learn the business and learn what he was doing. And then we were going to make a satellite office back home. So I was only supposed to come there for the first phone call was come there for maybe like a week. Second phone call turned into a month. By time we, by time he finally convinced me to go there, I was there for three months.

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Legal, unethical, sure. But then once I came back down to Florida, they were supposed to open up their own store or their own office here in Florida. And I was going to run that. We still to this day have never opened up that office because, go ahead.

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Oh yeah, no, no, no. The closings didn't happen in a week. It was more, most of the time was like 45, 60 days because we've got to get all the paperwork. We're backed up, all this kind of stuff. So when we, when, when they were calling them originally and selling them, we got the closing. Right. And it's, we're getting ready to, you got to pay half the closing costs.

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which half the closing costs is $3,000 is that's their portion is 3000. It's really 6,000. We've convinced the, the seller or the buyer to pay the other. So your closing date. So if we're at, you know, we just make up a date 30 days from now. And yep, that's, that's the date that you're going to close. So they're getting all excited and, When that date comes, oh, yeah, you know what?

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Nope, we're not ready yet. And we just continue to keep pushing and pushing and pushing.

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Well, yes and no. So what happens is there's all of these different companies, and Ted – He convinces people to start opening up these companies and he'll work for them because he's like the man at doing this. So now what happens is if I call you and I say, hey, Matt, listen, I got your property sold. You got to pay half the closing cost. Okay, yeah, sure. Then they pay it.

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So now that's ABC company. Now I call you from XYZ company. Say, man, I got bad news. Unfortunately, that buyer closed down, but I got good news. I've got a new buyer for you, but I got even better news. They're willing not to 80,000. They're willing to pay 120,000. We're also going to get your refund for the closing from that company. Could take some time to get that refund.

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But to get you the 120, you got to have you pay the closing cost here for this one. So now we're double, triple dipping, you know, different people and different companies. But then... It's horrible.

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Strung along for, yeah, for as long as we can possibly string along I don't think we've ever refunded anybody.

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Never, never. The cops never called us. No lawyers. They never got their lawyers. Nothing, nothing at all. And of course, you know, the media portrays it as this, you know, only talking to old people and this, that they got no idea. They don't want it to, It was everybody. If their name was on the list, they were getting a call.

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I was locked in for three months, which was probably so he knew we could help them get back on the right track. But it was just come on out here. You'll make a killing. Let's you know, I know you can sell. Just come on out here and help me out because we got a girl here managing right now. She's just not good. I'll make you a manager immediately in and we'll we'll just ride this wave.

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We couldn't tell if the person was 90 years old, 70 years old, or 20 years old. We couldn't tell. And don't get me wrong. Yes, majority of them were older. And I think more that they were older is because they had got scammed when they were 20, when they originally had bought this property, thinking that it was going to get developed originally.

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No, I don't think we ever gave anybody back their money for that. Not at all.

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Yeah, but we're sales guys. We just schmooze them over and give you a call back tomorrow, let you know what's going on. Then you call them up and got great news. Something happened with that buyer.

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Yeah. So in my discovery, in my discovery, they got text messages, me in New York and then Ted here. And we and there is a whole ring of guys that we're doing this and we're all exchanging names and. Telephone numbers. Yeah, I signed this guy up. He's already bought twice. And then somebody else is hitting him up.

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And so that's how they got us for a conspiracy because we were all conspiring to scam these people, each and every one. But... So my wife told me to make sure I sound very remorseful not to be laughing. Don't do that.

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It's not like that even to today. I laugh about it because it's As weird as it is and as cliche as it is, I wouldn't take none of it back. I just wouldn't because if I did, then I probably wouldn't be – I would have found something else to do.

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I would have found something else to do and figure it out because that's just – I'm the easy way out kind of guy. but so now i come down to florida and we were just now it got to a point to where we just said screw ohio all together we're just gonna 100 call everybody and we're just calling all these people and saying hey listen we got your property sold congratulations So we're gonna do this.

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So after getting them a couple of times, so now back to your question is, how did we string them along? You know what? We forgot, you gotta pay the capital gains tax. So now you have to pay the capital gains tax on the property. Sorry about that, that's our fault.

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Me too.

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Absolutely. And you wouldn't believe how many times I would pay on the phone. You know what? I'm not really sure. Hold on. Let me grab a manager. Yep. And it's just me. All I did was switch ears. So now you got to pay capital gains tax. And it got to a point to where we weren't even working for anybody anymore.

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It was just Ted and I sitting on his back porch, smoking cigarettes, wandering around in his yard and calling people off of seven different cell phones that we both just had sitting in front of us, burner phones. And now they're sending us money via Western Union and MoneyGram. So no longer checks, credit card, none of that stuff. So we were just like...

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I was like, all right, cool. So I get out there. They're going under. Oh, yeah. They're going under. But he didn't tell me that right away. But I found out shortly after getting here. So I get there. He's like, all right, yeah, here's these people. He's only got like three people, four people, maybe five people that are actually doing the sales portion of it.

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Well, you got to send it to us through Western. Why do we got to send it through Western? It's the fastest way for us to get the monies. And we don't have to worry about anything with the electronic. Would you rather get the money faster or do you want us to wait? So it just got to a point to where we were just literally calling people.

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And he still had his office here in Florida where we were going to open up. So now we're just sitting in there, him in one office and me in another office. And I would have friends of mine and friends of his go around all day long to Western Union and to MoneyGram. picking up these, these money. So if I was, you were going to go pick it up, I'd send it in Matt Cox names.

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It's like, well, who's that? He's the owner. He's the assessor. He's the, you know, whatever it was. And like, well, why are we sending it to him? Well, because it's Western Union money. You can't send it in businesses. And, and the only thing We were getting, it was just a ridiculous amount that we were getting a week through Western Union MoneyGram.

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I don't even think to this day I'm allowed to use Western Union or MoneyGram.

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this is all a scam but that's another six weeks then you shut everything down start it up all over again do it with a whole new set of people we weren't yeah at this point we weren't even we he had a he had a name for a second llc so somebody googled it they can which was nationwide land sales right so What I would do, they would call, where are you calling from?

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Nationwide, you know, nationwide is on your side. And I would say that jingle, but I never said I was nationwide insurance. So immediately though- It gives credibility. It just gives the credibility. So even though I never said I was nationwide insurance, which obviously I knew what I was doing.

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Yeah, it's not my fault. Yeah. Oh, is that what you thought I meant? Oh, I'm so sorry. That's my fault. My, my, my, I apologize. So I, so we started just getting, I mean, hundreds of thousands of dollars a week in Western Union. And we, so, so now you got to pay your property gains tax. Yeah.

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And then he's got three or four people that are calling everybody and saying, hey, we noticed that you own property here. Do you want to sell it? Right.

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Then I can't remember and I still and I've been trying for years to remember what it was is one day I was just on the phone and just pulled it out of thin air. Well, you got to pay and I can't remember what I called it, but. What you do is you have to pay because you have to cross over somebody else's property to get to yours.

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Yeah, but I just called it. You made up a name. I made up a name for it. And so now we have to get, you have to pay for that now. Because we have to get permission to cross their property to get to yours, to even do the assessment and the land survey and all that. So we can't just walk across their property. Right. And they're like, oh, okay.

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And so we just started, we just were continuing to make up all sorts of different fees that they had to continue to keep paying to drag it out. And we just did that for a long time, for a few months.

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Yep.

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So yes and no, because basically what we were is 100% for sale by owner. We were just an advertising company.

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We would advertise the property. But we would tell these people that had come to find out they got scammed way back in the 80s on buying this property. There was some other scam that was going on.

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So now they're, whoa, okay.

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There was a lot of comments like, shouldn't have done that. That's so trashy of you guys. That guy did his time. What if he left there and killed himself? So they just took it down. It's gone. Look at this. It's playing.

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Right.

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Well, he's having it go to different people. Yeah. Different people. I mean, but I mean, I did have the.

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Yes. The core people.

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Yeah.

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And then we would run into people going to MoneyGram or Western Union and saying- yeah, I got to send this money. They're like, well, what's it, do you know who they, well, no, they just called me and they, yeah, I don't really think you should. And there's been times where I was on the phone with the Western Union or the MoneyGram person. And sometimes they'd be like, nah, screw off.

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I don't think you should do this. And other times I'd convince the MoneyGram or Western Union employee that it's none of their damn business. Right. And then they're like, yeah, actually, you know what? This does sound okay.

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Right. But none of that stuff was obviously disclosed because we are, it's a for sale by owner. We're the advertising firm. What you're going to do is advertise it with us. Right. Um, and then we'll, once somebody calls us and says, Hey, I have a buyer, then what we'll do is we're going to put the two of you guys together. Right. We're not, we're not a real estate firm.

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Right. Oh, yeah. All that kind of stuff. Next thing you know, you just start making small talk with them. Nationwide.

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Yeah. And that was really just it. If you get somebody else on the phone, once I... One day just was like, nationwide is on your side. I was like, this is perfect.

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And these are all things that we did that we did disclose. Um, so I'm there for about an hour. I'm like, okay, this is easy. I pick up the telephone. I, I think I made, I think by the time my third call came, um, On that one call, I did more money than their entire room did the previous week. So I think it was like $498 is what I told the guy that we're going to do your property for.

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Right.

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Yeah, because that's all it is, just give me credibility on that. So I was just like, I don't even know how the hell I thought about it. I just popped in my head one day and let's go with the jingle. So how long did you do this? So at this point, we did it.

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The Western Union, I think we might have did it for like four or five, maybe six months on the Western Union because I think it was – we were already under investigation at that time and we didn't know it. How did they get on to you? So the state of Ohio is – where, where everything had started.

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So they said that they had got a bunch of attorney general complaints, but at the same time, all of those attorney general complaints were all answered and answered back that we're doing okay. So when he took the database from Ohio and brought it to Georgia and Florida, what I think happened is, is

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I think they just started to connect because now he, now people are starting to call their own attorney generals and their, this company and that company. And now they're starting to, you know, figure it out that it originated here, but what, what's really going on.

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So I think that they just started to, to see certain things, but I, we were under investigation for like 18 months before they ever came because, uh, I, one day I'm supposed to go into work and go to the porch.

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Well, yeah, we're going to actually go to the office, but that day, I think we're supposed to go to the office, but he's supposed to call me or shoot me a text and let me know when he's coming in. Well, it gets like 1130, 12 o'clock. I still don't hear from him. I'm calling, texting, nobody's answering, him or his wife. So I said, all right, well, whatever.

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So my girlfriend at the time, my son's mom, she went to the gym. And it happened to be trash night the night before, so the trash can's still down at the road. She just calls me up. She says, I'm turning down the road right now. I'll be there in just a minute. I said, all right, no problem. So I'm just going to go get the trash cans. So I happen to go outside, and I see this car drive by my house.

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I live on the cul-de-sac. And they turn around, and then they park diagonal from my house, two or three, probably about two houses down. She pulls in the driveway. I said, all right, get ready. Feds are here. I just knew. So she said, what? I said, yeah, you heard me. I said, let's get ready. She said, all right.

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So we, of course, the two guys pull up in the suits, which I didn't know it at the time. I just thought, yeah, you know, the feds.

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Still had not heard from them. How long was it?

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Same exact day. So they raided their house at like six in the morning. Right. So they're not calling because they're not able to call. So they're not calling because they're not able to call. Yeah. They, two guys in suits, the BCU, the Bureau of, no, the BCI, Bureau of Criminal Investigation from the state of Ohio. They walk up, they're like, hey, can we come inside? Nah, we'll talk right here.

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What's up? What's going on? And the day before, I bought the huge DLP Mitsubishi thing. It's TV, 83 inches. The box is still in the garage. I got the garage door open. The guy puts his clipboard and everything right on the box, and we're talking. Now, my son's mom, she's all about the good fellas, about...

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When they come, you know, they were spitting on the floor and me, I'm asking, do you guys want water? So she's, you guys want any water? You guys want coffee? I was just about to cook something. Are you guys hungry? She's playing all that, you know, that whole role. And I'm just answering, you know, they're asking me some questions about what's going on.

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And all of a sudden I just feel my phone in my pocket. It's just, now it's going crazy in my pocket. I'm like, guys, I got to go to the bathroom. So I go inside. I'm getting pages, texts, 911, 911. Yeah, I already know they're here right now. So I go back. Who is that? That's Ted and his wife calling and texting me. So.

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I don't know how, I don't even know how the heck they even could text me because they took like every electronic device. Maybe at that time when she was texting me, they hadn't confiscated their phones yet. But they, so they're there for like a half an hour, but it's more or less like a yes, no type of answers is all I was giving them.

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So after we're going to advertise his property for $498. So they have to pay us upfront to advertise. So it's just very similar to if you wanted to sell your bicycle in the newspaper, what you got to do is you have to advertise it in the newspaper. And you got to pay for it. And then hopefully somebody calls you up and you can sell it. Right.

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and uh did you work here yes yep did you did you do yeah did you know anything illegal no no right so it was just a lot of yes or no questions so now they're there and i can't let them come in my house because on my desk and on my counter i've got thousands of western union receipts just sitting there so if they walked in i mean immediately they would have seen it but i i

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a little savvy at that age about letting people come on in and things like that. So I said, nah, we can chat right here. Plus I'll let you guys sweat while you're sitting there out in the heat in your suits. So we, you know, we just kind of yes or no questions. I'm like, all right. So then they, they leave and they're like, well, all right. So I'm like, all right, well, man, shit, we got to wait.

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And that was a close call, but we're good to go. No, you're not. No, we're not. So I'm like, all right, we're, we're good. They left us. We're good to go. But I'm never doing that shit again. That's exactly what I said. So now hours go by. Ted and his wife come there. Ted's real scrawny, not a very I'm not going to fight you kind of – he's just not going to.

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So he comes to my house because I still hadn't talked to them, but they come to my house and he gets out of the car and I'm just – I'm mad at him for getting me into this mess. But, you know, knowing what I, he didn't get me, you know, I could have walked away. I could have just said, no, you know, it wasn't him. You know, they got me into it.

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So I just remember me just going, ah, you know, and saying something to him. And he just was like, dude, I really want to kick your ass right now, but just, just leave. So we talked, we talked for a couple of minutes and then, And yeah, I never told anybody this either, is we still have the office that they can't get access to because none of us own it. So it's in an office building.

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So they have to wait for somebody to come get the key. Well, the laptop's in there.

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Which there's a world of information on there. So he's like, dude, I need you to go to the office and get the laptop. And destroy evidence. I'm like, are you kidding me? What, am I going to go over there and they're going to be waiting outside? So I'm like, all right. Yeah, sure. I'll go over there and get the laptop. So I figure out I'm going to wait the cops out. So I wait like two hours maybe.

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I do go over there. I don't know what happened to the laptop, but the laptop is... It's already missing? No, it's not already missing. But I went in there, I got the laptop and, you know... That's your limitation. Yeah, plus I already got in trouble. So, yeah. So, I went in there, I got the laptop and I never gave him back the laptop. Right. And... But...

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The day before we had got, you know, they came to my house, came to his house. I was driving his vehicle and I had my book bag with my laptop in his car and I forgot it in his car that night. So they had my laptop because, you know, they're, but they came on into this house. They wanted to take his DVR, anything that had electronics, you know, anything that was recordable.

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So that's what we were doing is just calling them and telling them that we're going to advertise the property. So I charged this gentleman $498. And then it has to go to the verification process where they actually record it. And they say, you do know it's not sold. We're not a real estate agent, all this stuff. And I happen to be outside on the front porch with the owner smoking a cigarette.

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Um, they took like, I think it was like $80,000 in gift cards. Cause we would just buy gift cards and that's how we would give it out to like the guys who worked for us for, you know, a SPF or whatever. Here you go. But I think it might've been like 20 grand. I don't know. It was, it was an, an astronomical amount of gift cards.

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So they think like we're getting all this cash and we're just buying gift cards so that it's untraceable. Yeah. And all this stuff. I don't even know what we did with half the money.

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Yeah.

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Correct. So I, and I, I don't even remember what I did with this laptop. I, I still, I don't remember, but, um,

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um so i i go and take the laptop and of course i'm like scared shitless i'm just waiting to come out of there and they're like what are you doing right because now i got it outside of the bill i took it out of the building for them and now it's in my possession so i'm like all right well screw this i'm not doing this anymore and then i said well you know what let me go get a job

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which I haven't had a job now, a real job, a few years. So I went to go back to selling cars. Cause that's what I know. And I was there for here in Florida for probably maybe two months. And I, I think I was just so worried to talk to somebody like maybe who knows, maybe it's they're undercover and they're coming there to try to buy a car and

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And so I just didn't sell anything the whole time I was there. Good thing they were giving me, it was like a $750 a week salary, but I didn't sell anything. So finally I get a phone call one day and they're like, hey, this is so-and-so from the BCI. I'm like, okay, what's up? What do you need? This was like probably three months later, two months later. And they're like, well,

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And the girl who's doing the verification, she comes out and she goes, hey, he said he's got two properties. Is that for one or for both? I go, that's for one. Then I go back in there. Oh, no. Actually, I charged them $12.98 for the first one. And then I go back on the phone. I said, sir, I got great news. four 98 for the second property. Yes. Oh, okay. Perfect.

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We want to talk to you. I said, all right, well, what's up? And they're like, no, we want you to come on in to that. We're like, we're here in Florida, here in Tampa. I said, yeah, no, I don't think so.

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Oh, yeah. Because they had already came here once. And then three months later, all of a sudden he's here. in Tampa because when they raided the house and they came to my house to talk to me, I wasn't living in Florida at that time. So now I'm like, you're here? Okay, well, what's going on? They're like, well, we want you to meet us at the police station.

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I'm like, yeah, no, I don't think so because I've seen too many movies. I've seen too many. Once I go into there, I'm not coming back out. I was like, if you want to meet in a random parking lot or something like that, they're like, yeah, no, that's probably not how we want to do this one. And I said, well, I think I'm just going to contact an attorney and see.

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And he goes, well, I'm going to tell you this. It really behooves you to get back a hold of me. Now, I've never been told this. I've never, no one, I just had an, I have an assumption of what I think, I think possibly maybe they were going to offer me immunity if I would have went there and talked to them that day because they thought like I was like, the kingpin of this whole thing.

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But I, I was, but I wasn't, you know, I just fed off of somebody else's small minded idea. And I lit, I was fueled to the fire. Right. And then the two of our minds together was, was very big. So, but as soon as I said a lawyer, they were like, Oh, okay. We're all done. You know, trying to, trying to talk to you. So now I'm like, you know, this is getting kind of serious.

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I guess maybe we're not done. So I tell my girlfriend, my son's mom, I said, well, what we should probably do is move back to New York because if they come here and they get me, She's now stuck here with my son and doesn't know anybody. Right. So we moved back to New York. And I get a job selling cars again. And something happens. At some point, I needed a job.

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For some reason, I didn't have a job. So I never really even contacted a lawyer, never had the lawyer call them because out of sight, out of mind, whatever. I figured maybe I'll just go away if I don't think about it. Right. So I'm on my way to a job interview and I'm speeding. And I get pulled over like 55 in a 30 or something like that through these back roads.

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And at the time, I didn't have a driver's license, I don't think, or anything.

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it's something but i haven't had a driver's license at times and i know if it takes them a while something's up and then especially if another cop pulls up something's definitely up so immediately i every time i get pulled over i gotta get on the phone with somebody because i'm just always just worried so i'm on the phone with my girlfriend and i go this guy's taking like forever and

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So now, you know, it's like 2000 bucks. I, you know, that I charged a guy and I, of course I made a percentage of that. I can't, can't remember at that time what my percentage was. So I was like, this, this is, this is easy. Right. So now this whole thing, advertising vacant undeveloped land and all that stuff in Florida was huge at the time.

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And I'm not talking about, like, I was sitting there for, I think, like, 30 minutes, 40 minutes before I ever came back to the car. Then all of a sudden, another cop goes up.

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I'm like, yeah, something's up. I said, this is where I'm at. And I'm, like, rattling it off really fast. So cop comes up to my door. He says, now, I didn't have my driver's license on me at the time. And he says, you got six felony warrants. Only six? I said, not me, sir. I said, I've never been in trouble a day in my life. I said, you might be thinking of my father, but not me.

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Next thing you know, he rattles off my date of birth, my social. I said, yeah, that's me. He goes, but I've never been in trouble a day in my life. Not yet. He goes, well, it's from, he said something and he goes in Ohio. I said, oh, I know what that is, but that's not me, sir. I didn't do anything. So the guy who owned the place, I think he was doing, I said, I think I'm probably okay.

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I got to get to this interview.

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you don't seem to understand it doesn't matter what you say and I'm like man I'm a salesman I can okay I'll get out of this and then my thought was in all of the short seconds it was like okay all I gotta do is get away from this guy let him out of sight I can bust my U-turn go back home get my clothes and we'll go off to another city and we'll be okay well needless to say I didn't

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he wasn't never out of my sight. So he, he was actually, he was okay. He said, listen, I'm going to put the cuffs in front of you. First time ever. I've got to sit in the front seat of the cop car and drove me over. It's just a little small town on where it was. So now we're there. And by now I get to the police station. My girlfriend gets there.

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He's got me handcuffed to the wall while sitting on a bench and, And he's waiting for all of the information from Ohio. So, because I had a secret indictment. Everybody else was already arrested the day before for the most part. But I didn't know at all. Because if so, there's no way I would have left my house.

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And speaking to people now, or after that, they said that every time they arrested somebody, they always asked where I was. So... And nobody knew where I was. So I wait for – I think it was like 37-page facts had to come through, which was the indictment. Right, yeah. And so I read it and I can't remember all my charges. Really, I can only remember –

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Conspiracy and engaging of a pattern of corrupt activity. Wire fraud. And there was two other ones.

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Money laundering. That was another one. Yep. That was definitely there.

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There might have been. It might have been mail fraud.

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really like a, it's like one of the lower end felonies. It's still a felony.

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Correct.

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So I'm, I'm sitting there and by now my, um, girlfriend's mom and dad know what's going on. And she's on the phone with them while we're sitting on this bench. And I remember I'm reading what my charges were to them. And I go, an aggravated theft of $1,500 or more. And the cop goes, no, sir, that's $1.5 million. Excuse me? But I just so happen to read it so fast.

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I was like, yeah, you don't fit me. He goes, no, it's $1.5 million. I'm like, yeah. Yeah, sir. Again, I don't think that this is for me. And so now I, and I've done prior to this, I've done like a, a weekend or an overnight. I got, you know, you know, just on, on stupid things where I've gone into the jail there for a few hours and then I'm right out.

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So now they transport me over to the actual jail and, So I go in and I'm like, you gotta be kidding me. Like what in the hell is going on? They give me this jumpsuit. It's literally a black and white stripe, the jumpsuit. And I'm just in this big giant room. So we're in the open dorms. And I think there was probably maybe 50 people in there, 50 beds.

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But it was weird because they were all lined up against the wall. So it wasn't a row or anything of them. And so I had a top bunk right over there in the corner, which I thought was great because nobody can get behind me. I can kind of see I'm just a very observant kind of guy. So I just sat there for a while, a couple of weeks or whatever. Don't really talk to anybody.

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But my girlfriend, we're like two hours from home. She was coming every you can do. There was four hours visits for the weekend. You can do two hours and two hours or you can just do a whole four hour visit.

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well i said no no we're not doing one full four hours i said i need you to come visit both days right saturday and sunday so kind of break up my day so we did that well then eventually you know i now started to get off my rack and started to talk to to other people that were in there and i was on the phone a lot and then um i'm waiting um

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They send me down, they bring me down to the courthouse after I'm there for, I don't know, a few days or whatever. And like, yeah, because this charge is in Ohio, we can't get you a bail. I said, listen, guys, just give me a bail. I'll pay it now and I promise you I'll go and turn myself in there in Ohio. Let's not pay – spend any of the taxpayer's dollar.

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I lose my job. I happen to call one of my buddies, Ed, the old manager that I used to work for. And he says, hey, listen, he goes, I just got off the phone with Teddy, Teddy, rock him steady. He's up in Ohio. He's got his own telemarketing room, advertising vacant, undeveloped land. So I was like, really? He goes, yeah, you want me to throw you away a minute? I said, yeah, sure. So

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Like these are all things I'm saying while I'm – like, sir, no. It's – no, that's not going to – I'm like, are you sure that there's nothing we can do? And the day after I got arrested – My mom and my girlfriend had already hired an attorney already in Ohio. And so I'm like, can you like email them? Can we call them? It's irrelevant.

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Nothing. And of course, you know, just me being the salesperson, I'm like, there's got to be a way for me to. Work something out. Yeah. We'll finagle something. And I didn't. So now I go back to the county jail and.

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i'm i'm waiting i'm just waiting and waiting waiting i think i was there for 45 days before they had extradited me back to ohio and while i was there now i started to get a little bit more comfortable and you know i knew who i could talk to who i couldn't now i'm starting to play spades and and in this county jail it was weird everybody slept during the day and was up all night right but uh

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So I remember the phones would cut off at a certain time and right outside of the dorm was the tower or whatever where the COs would be. And the phone, you could see it right from there. So the phones would cut off at a certain time and there was a couple of people in there. that had my mom's number just in case if, you know, they had, they had took me to, to go get extradited.

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So it's like 11 o'clock at night. I'm just really getting into the spades game and starting to win. And I'm really starting to pick it up and they call me, it's time for me to leave. So somebody, somebody in there calls my mom And it's like 11 o'clock at night. For whatever reason, the phones just didn't cut off that night.

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So my mom knew immediately, you know, that, you know, getting that call that night. She knew I was gone. That was the worst seven days ever. Took like seven days for a 10-hour drive.

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But we didn't sleep at all at any of the county jails. Three days is what I think it took.

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and i didn't eat um because i was afraid you know if i eat next time i have to take a shit and you know you know just all this stuff there was no they didn't give us any water it was literally like in the back of a van um and we just were sitting on these benches all across all shackled together feet were all swollen hands were swollen you know it was it was horrendous uh they could have made a little bit more comfortable for us but i know they're you know they're not concerned about no they're not at all

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Yeah, they're not. So now I get to the county jail there and I'm there and I get up like two days after I was there. It's like five o'clock in the morning. They hand me a sheet of paper. I didn't see the judge or nothing yet. And they said, well, here you go. I read the paper. a million dollar bail. I was like, you gotta be kidding me.

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So in the state of Ohio, no matter what your charges, they have to give you a bail. Um, no matter, no matter what it is. So I'm like, man, there's no way I'm going to, I'm going to be able to get out of here. So Eventually I go, I meet my lawyer and I go over the stuff with him. He goes, all right, well, we're going to go in front of the judge. No, no, no.

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Actually, I went in front of the judge first. That was the first time I had met him. And he got it dropped to 70 grand, my bail. So, it went from like a million to 70,000. But I guess that first bail, if they would have set it at 70, I could have just paid it right then and then bet out and didn't even go into my first appearance in front of the judge. So, they set that one really high.

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So, while I'm… I don't have the seven grand at this point to, to pay it real quick. So my mom and my girlfriend, they got to get it. It takes them a few weeks to come up with the money to, to make sure we can get me bailed out. But while I'm there, I start running into all my co-defendants. Jimmy, Pauly. Oh yeah. Tommy. There was 18 of us. Oh yeah. So, um, not everybody was there, but, um,

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We're there. You obviously could talk through the toilet. You could talk to the vents and they're all in different, different floors. So everybody's like, yeah, we got to go out to the yard. I'm like, dude, I'm not going out there. I just got in here. I got to observe and watch everybody first before I can make any moves. So I'm like, all right. So I go outside and We start talking.

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We're like, all right, everybody just keep your mouth shut and let's just, you know, just shut up. So I'm like, all right, yeah, cool. So now we come back in from the yard. We're on the elevator. We go upstairs. One of the COs goes, Al, come with me. So where is he going to the other guys that go? That's where he's going. That's where he's going right now.

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And, of course, he comes – then he comes back. Then the next day, we're like, no, man, I didn't say nothing. Well, knowing what I know now, you know, all my discovery and everything, he was the first one to buckle. And so – I, um, I'm there for like 73 days total cumulative from the 45 to, to then get an extra night. Now I get out, um, and I go home and, uh, back to New York.

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My mom puts up her house and all that stuff to make sure that I can come back home so I don't have to stay there. Um, I get a job back selling cars. Um, at one place I did, I didn't care for it. I went to, to another place. Um, we're fighting for about two years going back and forth. The original lawyer that I, that they hired, we never saw eye to eye from, from day one. Um,

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I'm the most, normally the most cockiest, arrogant person in the room. He's normally the most cocky, arrogant person in the room. So after he gets my bail dropped to 70 grand, he comes on in and he, he chats with me and says, Hey, you know, what's going on, blah, blah, blah. So I tell him, I go, all right. He asked me, you know, kind of what I said, well, hold on.

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I got a couple of questions for you. Cause this is the first time I'm ever meeting him. And I'm like, is this the biggest case you've ever done? Or, you know, like what? Oh no, no, no, it's not. Are you kidding? I had bigger cases already this morning before yours. And I'm just like, all right, cool. So we, we chat a little bit and then I speak to his partner like the next day or something.

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He comes and I say, Hey, you know, I want to just apologize. I think I might've rubbed him the wrong way yesterday. So he says, yeah, you did a little bit. I said, it wasn't that it was just, I've never talked to you. So now it's my turn to interview you to make sure that we did the right, right move. So, okay. So now a week goes by or whatever, and my lawyer comes back to talk to me.

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And I knew I was getting bailed out that day. I knew the money. I knew everything was ready. So he comes back and he's talking to me. He says, listen, they're here and they want to talk to you, the BCI and the attorney general and all that stuff. And they said, I said, well, for what? And he goes, well, they want to offer you a deal. I said, does it involve going to prison?

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He said, well, yeah, I said, I'm not interested then. That's a mistake. Yeah. I said, I said, I'm not interested then. I said, if they want to talk to me and ask me for a deal that I don't care, probation, time serve, whatever it is, I'm okay with that. But if they're offering me to go to prison, I'm out. He goes, all right. He goes, well, let me go talk to him and find out.

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He goes, here's the deal. I'll come and get you. if I can convince them not to give you prison time. But if not, then I'm not even gonna come back and get you. Well, all of a sudden the CO opens up the door, hollers my name. I'm rolling up all my stuff. I'm like, all right, I'm out of here. He goes, what the hell are you doing? I go, I'm leaving. He goes, no, your lawyers look up for you.

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I said, oh, all right, guess it's not time to go yet. So now they bring me downstairs. And I walk in. I'm like, oh, here we go. No prison time. And I said, all right. So my lawyer goes, I just want to make sure, guys, no matter what, you want him to go to prison, right? This is how you're starting the count. I just told you I got no interest.

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So they're like, well, how much time are you thinking is what my lawyer says. And they're like, well, more than four, but less than 10. what kind of deal is that? Like more than four, but less than 10. See, I'm not really interested, but thanks. And then they said, well, do you want to have some time with your lawyer? I said, yeah, sure.

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And they go out in the hallway and it's a glass door so I can see them. And he goes, all right, well, you want me to go out there and at least try to narrow down exactly how much time they want. I said, yeah. Well, yeah. Let's do that. He goes out there. He comes back in. He says, seven years. What?

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So one of the girls, she got four years. That's what they sentenced her to, which is the manager who got fired – A week after I got there.

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So she has very little culpability. Correct. She was there on the legit side of the business.

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There for that, you have to do – On that, if you did 10 years, you would have had to do – you couldn't get out early until for – you had to do at least five years I think is what it was because of how their system worked, I think.

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Correct. OK. So he says, yeah, we'll give you seven. I said, yeah. OK. Well, bring him back in. He said, well, are you going to take it? I said, bring him back in. So they come on in, they get all comfortable getting ready to record everything. Yeah. No, thanks. Have a nice day. Bring me back upstairs. They're like, what? So I, of course I, you know, just me and my ego. Yeah. Let him come back in.

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He's my lawyers. Are we getting, no, we're not, we're not doing this. I'm not, I'm not going to agree to seven years because at that time I still just thought I didn't do anything wrong.

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you're delusional yeah i didn't do anything wrong i didn't right now what the owner may have done that's on him but at this point he's already telling the product he's most likely already telling them that you were the guy who was you're the one correct right so i so now a couple hours goes by or maybe an hour or something i get bailed out um my girlfriend's there um we go and meet my lawyer

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And we got a couple conversations, and I think I got to go to the bail bondsman as well, do a couple things there. And my mom's there because she's got to sign paperwork and stuff. So I go and meet him. Now I go back home. I get some jobs selling cars. I get to –

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the the lawyer and i we're just not seeing eye to eye you like we're just we're just not so he gets me a deal of four years nice okay well you do two years we're getting a lot closer we're getting like a good deal oh yeah um knowing what i know today that was a great deal so i said Yeah, you're just fired. I said, you're fired. So what I, we just were not seeing eye to eye.

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fraud that led to 1.5 million dollars that probably that maybe was probably on the low end that they actually hold because there's all kinds of people oh no there's 1.5 or or more or more yeah so it yeah it was it was more and they they did tell us it was definitely more but the thing is is my lawyer just kept telling me listen yes you can take this deal but i think we can win and

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Oh, he's telling you you can win at trial? Oh, yeah. And some of the thing is, even to this day, I still believe that if we went to trial, I may have won. But the thing is, here's what I think. I may not have won all of it, but in that time, I would have thought, okay. I would win at least enough not to get 10 years. But I know a lot more today than I do that.

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But I still think there's portions of those charges that I would have won. Would I have gone to prison? Absolutely. I still would have. But I feel as if I would have been able to clear myself and got not guilty on some of it. Because... It didn't start out as, you know, not on the up and up. So I wanted somebody to at least acknowledge that.

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And I still, to this day, at least want somebody to acknowledge that. Bernie Madoff did not stop. I know that. Yeah. Correct. He did not.

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He did. But, you know, since then, no, I've done a lot more research. I've met more people that are like-minded like myself. And I made the right decision, you know, once I get to there. But I was just like, yeah, we're just not seeing eye to eye.

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Yeah. I'm fired. So what I'm thinking is what I'm going to do is I'm going to go to New York City, which is about four hours from where I live. And I'm going to hire a big-time New York City lawyer that just walk in there, big swing, and it's like, this is how it goes, you little small-timers. That didn't work out either. So I hire this guy. We'll come to find my girlfriend, my son's mom.

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She finds this lawyer. We find two lawyers. We go down there to interview them both. The first one I go there, it's like this Russian guy. And there's just like files everywhere. And we'd meet them at nighttime. To me, it was just very weird. But knowing what I know today, it's probably the lawyer I should have hired because it looks like

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it probably was on the up and up, but it was one of those things. Like if it was like a perfect scene for maybe it wasn't and they kind of know what, what's going on. So I go and I meet this, this other guy and I hire him. Well, I do a little bit more research on him after the fact. And as a, I don't even think he was like a real attorney.

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I mean, he was a real attorney, but I think he – I don't know how long he had his law license at the time. I think he was only doing public defender stuff at that time. He also tried to sue the internet. Yeah. So again, it was just – I just – he's from New York City. He's got to be good. Got to be big time.

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So I also had interviewed one lawyer because then I started to do some more research that you can look up like super lawyers and all these people. But come to find out these guys just pay to be – it's just – But I went and met these guys in Ohio. I met them at like 11 o'clock at night because that's the time that I had got there and they stayed two lawyers. I wish I would have hired them.

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I wish I would have had more money to hire them. But they wanted like 20 grand up front, another 20 grand once the trial was over with because I was 100% taking it to trial. It's just what I was going to do. I just didn't have the money at the time. And so I hired the guy from New York City. Worst mistake ever. I just don't think the guy ever just cared about me.

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But there's so many regulations here in the state of Florida for telemarketing. So the reason why he went to Ohio was because it's unregulated. You just get your DBA and you're in business. Right. So... Now, basically the manager is there. She's gone. I start doing this.

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Should have never fired my original one. So I go to there and to the courts with my new attorney. And he's still only four years. I'm like, yeah, no, I'm not taking it. So my agreement I've always said was I don't want to do any prison time, but.

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If anybody calls in or if anybody messes with any of my friends who I got involved into this or my kids' moms or anybody in my family, I'll take whatever deal it is they give me. So my buddy, best friend from here in Florida, I get him and his wife involved and they're some of the people that are going to pick up the Western Unions for me. So he texts me and says, hey, listen, call me.

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So I didn't see it. It's like three hours later. I'm at work. I call and he doesn't answer. So then he calls me like three days later and says, who's this? I'm like, it's Roger. He's, oh, he goes, I got some people came to my house. The cops came to my house and stuff. Now, me not being a dummy. I kind of put it together really quick.

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The cops were probably with him when he tried to get ahold of me the first time. Right. And then he didn't call me back until three days later because finally they can meet back up with him. Yeah. And so he goes, I don't know what to tell him. What should I tell him? I go. Trying to get you on an obstruction. Correct. I go. Tell him exactly the truth. Right. Tell him the truth.

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That's exactly what I want you to tell him. The truth. I go. And you can look at him right now and tell him I said to tell the truth. He goes, what do you mean? I go, yeah, why don't you look at him right now and tell him I said tell the truth. And he's – so then I caught him off guard because now he kind of – I think he thought that I knew that he was probably sitting there with him.

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So they do – so now he hangs up and, you know, that's that. Then my son's mom – and this story, I don't know how true it is. Just, you know, there's some backstory to her. But she's jogging. one day and one of the guys from the BCI stops her and starts questioning her and then says oh didn't you just drop your son off over there and then you know you're doing this and then yesterday and so

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Now in my head, I'm like, okay, you know what? Now it's just coming too close. So the original deal that they had offered me two days before that was four years on a second degree felony. So now on Friday, I called my lawyer and I said, listen, tell them I'll take that deal. and Monday I was supposed to start trial. So I said, tell them I'll take the deal.

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So he calls me back and he says, uh, yeah, they said, no, they're not going to give you that deal. I said, well, what do you mean? He goes, now that it's this close, they're going to give you four years still, but it's a first degree felony. I go, dude, okay. Just, Call them and tell them. He goes, yeah, no, they will not do it. So I'm like, all right, screw it. I'll do it. What's the difference?

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Well, then I come to find out what these guys were doing in Florida where they were putting it on their websites, but they were advertising the land with the homeowner's name and the phone number. So that one, I was like, These people already paid.

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Because for me in my head, it was more or less like, It's the worst.

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In my mind, it was just more the first is worse than the second.

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So I think that's – and not only that, I think also just my stubbornness and my trying to still control the situation from the beginning when I got pulled over. was I would have won, but now I'm bowing down and I'm allowing them still to win because they're giving them the first. I'm allowing them to still give me the first degree versus the second degree. So I think it was just in my own head.

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There's really no difference. Who cares? So the way the state of Ohio works is if you do less than five years as your sentence, you can get out in as early as six months on what they call a judicial release. if your sentence is five years or more, you have to do at least half the time. So I now know at this point I have 17 co-defendants.

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Every single one of them have talked to the cops, every single one of them. I was just the only one who didn't. And people can look at it as, oh, yeah, you're the man. But I still wouldn't change. The outcome that I have today, I still wouldn't change. It would not have benefited me. talking to them.

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Maybe that one day, if I would have went there, maybe I would have, but, um, what did they, what kind of sentences did they get? So the very first girl that got sentenced, she got four years. Um, and they knew that the owner was going to get more time. So that's why they told me in the beginning, four years to 10 years, but they didn't know how much time he was going to get.

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So I think that that's why they said four to 10. And I think that they were hoping that he might get seven and then I'll get seven. They took the two big guys down. But some of them got probation and all this. Which I forgot. So the owners, they had a daughter who actually had a brain tumor. So they thought we were running a...

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uh telemarketing room out of their home like they came in they thought we had like the secret room we were doing all this stuff there are people always coming in and out that's because they had nurses like these are all things that they were that they were all bringing up you know in in my um discovery and uh so I was just like, all right, you know, so finally I just caved in.

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They're definitely going to pay again. So I'd go on everybody else's websites and we would call them and say, Hey, you know, you're looking to sell your property up. And if they're said 60,000, you know, I really think maybe we get you like 80,000 for, for your property. Like, Oh really? Yeah. Well, it's going to cost you this amount. Oh, okay. Perfect. And they'll just pay again. So, um,

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I said, all right, I'll take the four years with the first degree felony. So he says, all right. So now I fly out on Monday and they. The judge stands there and he says, it reads me off, whatever. Oh, engaging in a pattern or corrupt activity. So which is basically it's a RICO case, but a state RICO. So I said, he says, how do you plead?

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And I just remember standing there because even still at that time, I still almost just was like, yeah, no, not guilty. And I said, guilty. And then he goes through his whole spiel and everything. And I said, yeah, everything's all right. He goes, okay, we're going to have you come back for sentencing, which I think was like a month, two months later.

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So I go back home, get all my affairs in order, and I go to The gentleman who owned the dealership that I worked for, he's the largest, one of the largest dealerships there. I explained to them that, you know, what I had going on and I was going to go. And he said, well, how much, you know, how long? It's probably like six months. And he goes, oh, yeah. He goes, who cares? So I get...

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go now August 19th I can't remember the year 2012 and I get to sentencing and they tell me they're gonna give me the four years but I I made sure that it said in my plea agreement that they will not fight my judicial release. I made sure a hundred percent that it said that.

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Um, so I get there, I get sentenced to the four years and it was just like immediately you could just feel like the, you know, just the whole weight was just lifted off there from the fight from the last two, two and a half years. So, um, I get into there. I did nine months total because the way it works is you get six months. And after six months, then you can apply for the judicial release.

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they can take up to 30 days to answer you. And then after that, once they answer you, they could take up to 30 days to give you your judicial release hearing. And you have to go all the way back to the jail where you were. So whatever county it was. So I applied after seven months. My original attorney that I got, He's the one who took care of my judicial release for no extra money at all.

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And that guy, I really should have. He had my best interest at heart the whole time, even though he still was saying, I think we could win if we went to trial. Right. He always did have my best interest. The second attorney, I just don't think that he did at all.

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I think that my own personal opinion is I just think that the amount of money that he was charging me, I think is probably some of the money that he was getting. He still thinks I still owe him some money, but. But I, so he, we get to, everybody in prison is telling me, yeah, you know, if you, if they give you the hearing, you're going home.

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If not, if they just, if they just, they'll just deny you and say, yeah, no, we're not going to give you the hearing. So I'm like, yeah, okay, sure. So all of a sudden I get, I wait seven months, then we do it. And, of course, they wait 30 days to answer me. Then, of course, they wait another 30 days for the date. So it comes out to be nine months.

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And everybody's like, yeah, man, you're going home. I'm like, yeah, okay, sure, sure I am. I'm still very doubtful. So I did know, though, that other people in my case, my co-defendants, they were getting out as well on their judicial releases. So at this point, it's only the owner and I were the only two that are still left in prison.

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Um, so I was there for about two weeks, the owner, him and his wife, they were, like I said, very rocky terms. He decided, you know what? I'm out of here. And he leaves and goes to Georgia because there's another gentleman who is in Georgia that had the same exact business.

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And I tried to go to the same prison as him so that I would at least know somebody, but I'm glad I didn't. But I did my nine months. I get to the hearing. And of course, when you come back from prison, you get to the county jail. You got to sit in the county jail for like in solitary for however long, two days, three days. So I sit there,

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I go to the hearing and it's not the original prosecutors that I had that were there. And they said, well, yeah, they told us that they don't want them to get out. Are you serious? They're like, yeah, they, they're telling us that they never had any agreement that, that, you know, they were all of a sudden the judge picks up my original plea agreement because, and it was,

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It was almost like he just got the whole, well, you better read this, he says, like head waving and everything. You better read this. I'm like, well, no, sir, sir, we're just relaying the message. And he goes, yep, he's got to go. And so then they released me. And I was ready to walk right out of there, get in the car and drive back home. I'm thinking, I'm done.

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Um, because I knew that they were going to transfer my probation, um, to, to back home. So when I got out, I only got a two years probation. So I did my nine months and then I get two years probation, not parole or anything like that. And then I'm all done. So the three and a half years or whatever it is, it just goes by the wayside. Um, so luckily I didn't,

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Because I come to find out I was supposed to go and check in in Ohio the next day, which I did that. I got everything transferred to New York. And in New York, if you do your probation, you only have to do 50% of your probation time, and then you're good to go. As long as you don't have any issues. Right. As long as you do what you're supposed to do. So I go there, I meet the probation officer.

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He's like, all right, you know, whatever. I think he just knew I'm not, I wasn't your everyday person that he probably sees or anything like that. I remember one day he comes, knocks on the door and my girlfriend answers the door and he goes, Hey, I was just checking. He goes, Oh yeah, he's sleeping. And I could hear somebody was knocking. So I'm, I'm getting dressed. I was still sleeping.

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I was getting dressed. And he goes, Oh no, no. He goes, I see the men's shoes. Don't worry about it. And he goes to leave. And I'm like, oh, no, no, sir. I'm right here. He goes, OK, yeah, no problem. And then I was supposed to check in with him once a week. Then I got to once a month. And then I got to listen, buddy. I'll let you know. Yeah. And I was only on there for a year. So he was cool.

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He didn't bother me. So now I'm all done with probation. Two years goes by. And I'm working. I'm working at the dealership. And I'm doing – somebody is there picking up their vehicle. I'm doing paperwork. I'm putting their plates on. I go outside. And all of a sudden these people come out of this SUV, camera crew, big sign.

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It says, hey, we're here from – we want to know if you want to win fame and fortune. We're here from – game show was we're getting ready to, to, you know, film a pilot for it. And we're looking for contestants. I'm like, now I'm cool. Thanks. They're like, you don't want to win fame and fortune. I'm like, no, I literally, I'm okay. I'm starting to get my, my life back.

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I'm, you know, they're like, really? Come on. It's just two questions. I'm like, fuck it. Come on. What do you, and so now I start to ask them, well, who else have you talked to? Because where it is, it's a whole strip of dealerships. And I know everybody that's on the strip. They're like, yeah, we went over there. I'm like, really? Who did you talk to over there?

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Well, we can't really disclose that kind of information. It's not like a game show. Right. So it was almost like the signs were definitely there. But I knew there was going to be a catch or there was something right from the beginning. So they said, the only thing you got to do is answer two questions. And I'm like, all right, fine. Come on, let's go so I can move on with my night.

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So what he did was he went down there and he basically took the whole database that he had and he started calling all those people. So at this whole time that I'm there in, in Ohio, I'm calling all these people. Personally, me, I think that everything I was doing in Ohio was legit. Okay.

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And they said, name one of the quarterbacks that are playing this year in the Super Bowl. I said, Cam Newton. Yeah, congratulations. Yeah, yep, yep, that's one. Okay, who is the first lady's name? And at the time, it was the Obamas. And I couldn't remember her first name. I don't know why, just at that second, and I go...

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mrs obama right and like no no the first name i go michelle obama like oh congratulations yeah you got the two questions right blah blah so like we'll be in contact with you if you are going to be one of the contestants like all right so then i go back to work now they start emailing me yeah you know congratulations Another red flag. They tell me we're going to come on down to New York City.

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Everything's paid for. You're going to do the filming at Trump Towers. So we get our hotel, all that stuff. My girlfriend and I, we come down there to New York City. We fly down and they put us up in a hotel. I go to the hotel. Then the next morning, they're late to come pick me up. And I'm sitting behind the driver and my girlfriend's sitting behind the passenger.

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But she can see whoever she's texting right over at the seat. So she's texting me now. I was like, man, they're really mad at her. We're late, this and that. But they weren't saying anything in there. So anything suspicious, they weren't saying anything in there. So we get to the place. Immediately, I was like, say Trump Towers.

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It was just like a rundown building that it just didn't make sense to me. I'm like, all right, well, whatever. I can't pull my phone out and say, hey, wait a minute. I thought we were going to Trump Towers. I say, screw it. I'll just keep moving. But the entire time, I just knew there was some kind of catch. And they told me they were going to pay me $1,000. to be on this pilot.

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So I'm like, okay, what's, what's going to be the catch? I, they're not really going to pay me a thousand bucks. So I, I get in there and they're, they're staging me all up for going on this pilot. They got me walking down these stairs talking about, Hey, you want to win money? You're going to win fame and fortune. They're like, come on, get, get some more excitement.

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Now, anybody who knows me and that has seen the video, the video, you can't find it online. I just can't find it, the actual video of it anymore. But anybody who saw the video goes, that's not, you could tell like you weren't really there all excited. Like you could tell you're a little reserved.

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So they got me coming down the stairs, you know, all this acting that I'm going to win all this money. So then they're like, okay, everybody else is already here. The other two contestants are already here. They've already done all this stuff. Okay. So they put me in the surround. And now I'm starting to ask them questions. The other two contestants, they're like, hey, you know, what's going on?

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Did you guys? Yeah, yeah, we did. And they were real quiet, real hush hush. And knowing what I know today, they couldn't talk very much, probably because something would have came up. So- I'm on this game show. I'm losing on this game show. Whatever question it is. The other two contestants. A whole game show? A whole game show. Like actual contestants, a host, everything.

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And actually standing in front of a podium with a buzzer, everything. I'm losing. I'm like, oh, man. How am I going to win fame and fortune this way? Right. All of a sudden, they ask a question, and you have to wait until they're finished asking the questions. And then you can buzz in and answer. Well, I don't remember what the question was, but the answer was Boiler Room. Got it.

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So it was movie clips. Boiler Room was one of them. Wolf of Wall Street. All of a sudden, I'm making a comeback. And I look over at my girlfriend and I must've, I just, she just knew, you know, this is it. We're about to make a comeback. Yeah, let's go. Then all of a sudden it pops up.

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Now, the owner, he now takes the database and he goes down to Georgia and starts calling all these people and saying, hey, listen, I got great news. Got your property sold. You just have to pay half the closing costs, pay that upfront, blah, blah, blah. It makes this whole spiel. But that's not Luke. That's not. He doesn't have it sold. He does not. He's actually working for another company

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Do we know is, is something along the lines of elderly man scams or gentlemen scams elderly or bilks them out of millions of dollars in a land scam or something like that. And this is right after Bernie Madoff.

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Bernie Madoff wasn't coming to my mind, but I knew that's what I wanted to buzz in and say, because I wasn't really, I was just like, I'm already on a roll. This is easy now. I got the answers to these. So they're like, does anybody know the answer? No, no. The other two people, they were buzzing in like crazy before. Now they're not buzzing in. They go, Roger, you don't know the answer?

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no, I don't know the answer. All of a sudden now all the lights come on. It's you. I'm like, what? And they're like, yeah, you know, we've got some of your victims here in the crowd. Um, there was a crowd. How many people? I don't, I think there was like 10 people in the crowd, but I couldn't see them when I came in there. Cause the crowd lights were dark. And, um,

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So at this time, I'm just, I stand there and she's like, I'm so-and-so Guerrero or something like that. I think it was her name. It was her last name. I don't remember what her first name was. And she's like, you know, we're here and we've got some of your victims in the crowd and blah, blah. We want to talk to you about it. Now in that fast, I thought about kicking over this podium.

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running and drop kicking the guy who came to my work and tricked me into going there. Now, I've already been off of probation for two years.

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Correct. It's way behind me. I'm now moving on. And so, but I don't do any of that. I just walk over to the guy and say, hey, where's my jacket? And like, he's just sitting there looking at me. So now I'm above him. Where is my, and finally, I must've said it two or three times. And finally it's over there in that room.

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And now security's over there and they're, you know, so they, they got me all mic'd up and stuff. And I just put my jacket on. I got my suitcase. And my girlfriend, we walked down these stairs. Now we're in the streets of New York City. They still got their camera crew and all this. And they're like, the guy's like, give me the microphone. You know, the security guy.

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He's like, we're going to get you for theft. And he knew. He was real close to me because he knew if I took it off, I probably would have threw it. So he gets it right out of my hand. And then... They're following me. My girl, she's just like, I, I want, she was like almost trying to fight them and upset.

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And I can't remember like if she had a bag and she was swinging the bag at them or she was actually swinging. I just can't, I can't remember. It's a little bit of a blur even, even then. But all of a sudden the guy who comes to my work says, we do have a vehicle for you. That will bring you back to the airport. It's right over here. And I turn around and go, fuck you.

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And I turned back around and I walked away. So on the article, if you read it and on the video, it says, and he's got one last statement for his victims. Fuck you.

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That does the exact same thing that we do. So he was sending out the same contract that we were sending out that states it's just advertising. So he was just getting these people to sign it and send it back, but charging a lot more money. But in his mind, it's not my company. Right. Yeah. And then for me, what my thought process was –

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And I'm like, that's not how that went down.

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Yeah. And I'm like, I'm like, that is not how that went down at all in the, so, Now, a couple weeks goes by and it airs. I was like a celebrity. I got to half a day of work to go home to watch it because, you know, they didn't want me there, you know, when it aired or whatever, just for me. Because who knows how I would have been or whatever. So, you know, go home and, you know, I'll watch it.

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The worst part is, is I was supposed to get a promotion to business manager. at the time. So like the finance manager, you know, at buying the car and everything. And once this happened, they were just kind of like, man, we don't, we don't know. We got to let some of this stuff die down.

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And once that happened, I was just so angry, you know, at, at, at the place, you know, you guys know me, that's, you know, you guys already knew that you held my job for me. The owner writes a letter to the judge, how my judicial release, the manager, I mean, everybody, you know, so, I just get it. I go on the game show and, you know, I'm just like, you got to be kidding me, man.

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Like, it's two years behind me. Right. At least two years behind me.

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Inside Edition. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. She comes, you know, it's Inside Edition. And a couple of the people that were in the crowd, they go, my mom got, or my dad got this and that. I'm like, I'm like, no. Okay. First of all, I recognized the name.

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I never even talked to them. Wasn't me. Because, you know, you started to learn some of the names of the people. But I was just like – and still, at that time, I was just like, I didn't do anything wrong. Like, you know, for the longest time, I have always thought that. And more in the last year to year and a half, I have started to think. Like I said earlier is –

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With this telephone call, I thought this has got to be what I'm supposed to do because the three-way call is if you and I are on the phone and then we three-way in somebody else, if you hang up or I hang up, it disconnects from that third-party person. So Ted's voicemail pops up and Ed hangs the phone up. Well, somehow I'm still connected to Ted's voicemail.

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All the shit that I went through, like growing up and all that kind of stuff. And I was taking meds and all that kind of stuff till I was 18. And then I got back on it about a year, year and a half ago is my mental health. You know, I just never cared about it to the point to where.

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I feel like my mental health and all that kind of in, in, in correlating that and trying to actually sit around and think that, yeah, you know, you, you did do some stuff that you shouldn't have done. Right. Was there some stuff that you did that was okay? Sure. Again, not illegal, but definitely, definitely unethical. But yeah, I went, I come to find out it was inside edition and I, I,

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Said, well, screw it. I cashed the $1,000 check. And they did send you $1,000 check? They gave it to me while I was there. And the worst part is, the worst part about it is, is they make me fill out like a 1099 sheet. And so I'm there. I'm like, you guys aren't going to get me for $1,000. I put the wrong social security number down. on the 1099 sheet. So after that, I'm like, Oh, shucks.

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I probably shouldn't have done that.

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Because now I, now I definitely look like I was doing something wrong, but yeah, they, they gave me a thousand dollar check while I was there. I mean, I don't know how much the other contestants made, but

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whatever he's doing that's on him that's got nothing to do with me i'm i'm here and i'm doing this so but you're now running his old company i'm running his old company his wife and i okay so we were we were doing everything i felt as legit as possible i mean we we had attorney general complaints that you know they paid the property didn't get sold you know all these things

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So if you read, so there, there was a spot on there that you could read some of the comments and what inside edition, what, what all of the people who sat on the comments was very, very it was, it was a lot of comments like shouldn't have done that. That's so trashy of you guys. That guy did his time.

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what if he left there and killed himself you know i don't think it was successful as what they wanted so i think they just took it down i i don't know i don't know why because because when we when you and i talked you said hey you know if you can try to find the video and i even before that i couldn't find the video i haven't been able to find it in a long time but

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the the if you click on that it says it's not available but it's got the still shot of me standing there behind the podium but i i don't know why you i can't find the video anywhere online because you see the price is right i've clipped from the price is right right yeah yeah i can put your face on it yeah i wish i uh i wish i could find it but

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Um, you know, cause today I'd love to watch it and, and see where and study it. All right. Where, where were you an idiot and you didn't catch, catch on, but immediately to, as soon as they revealed themselves, I was just like, okay, there's the catch. Right. Yeah. I was like, okay, I knew there was a catch. There it is. All right, let's go. I was just ready to go.

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They even said, hey, come on. We can just sit down and we'll just talk with you. Are you guys nuts? You think I'm just going to sit here and chat with these people and – Yeah, with them and you guys. No, if that's really what you guys wanted to do and you wanted those victims to confront the person that scammed them,

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then you would have just come to me and said, Hey, listen, we'd like to do an article on you.

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And it's a lot better way to go about doing it. Correct. And that was the very, you know, that was a sleazy that what they did it for ratings and, and it was just a sleazy way of doing it. But, um, I probably still wouldn't take that back either. I'd probably still, knowing what I know now, I probably still would have done it.

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I just probably would have done it a little bit smarter to where I outdid them at the end instead of them outdoing me. But, you know, and then since then, after that, I've gotten some trouble here and there. Yeah. but nothing, no, nothing, no, nothing, nothing, nothing real bad. It was, it's, it's more or less just like family court nonsense with, you know, my kids, moms.

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I got three kids, three different moms, 19, 14. And my youngest is five. So. Oh yeah. A lot of it. But, you know, fast forward to like three and a half years. I, you know, I just meet my wife and now I'm just trying to live. If my life is, on the up and up as I can. I hear you.

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But every single one of them was answered. Attorney General said, yeah, you know what? You're perfectly fine. You're doing everything okay. So in between these times, Ted comes back home to Ohio, you know, could have been for a couple of weeks or, you know, whatever it was. So him and I were sitting there one night and we're like, man, how can we make some more money?

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I'm a car salesman.

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Yes, ma'am.

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Who's that? Oh, that's one of the investigators.

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Thank you, though.

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Where's my jacket?

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nice wow oh man when's the last time you saw that oh man it's been a long time since i've seen that um you're gonna shoot it to you yeah my wife would get a kick out of it because she's never seen the whole video oh my gosh um inside edition

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It's just part of my life. It's just where I am. It is what it is at this point. You know, it's been... I have been, it's been over 10 years since, you know, I've even, I've been home even on probation.

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So I'm like, I can't remember if it was his idea or my idea, but we said, VIP. So everybody who has already signed up, we'll call them up and tell them, listen, we got a VIP package that we'll put you on. And instead of them being on the

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No, and for me, I was not asked to pay any restitution at all. Right. So then to me, that's the deal. Like if you guys have a problem, you should go to the government. Correct. You should go to them. Because they agreed I didn't have to pay. Not to me. Correct. The only person out of any of us that needed to pay restitution was Ted, the owner.

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He's the only person that they had asked to pay restitution.

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Right. You gotta, it's gotta stop somewhere. The truth is you're never going to be happy. Correct. So it has to stop somewhere. And for me, yeah, it is shitty. It sucks that- But the government is the person who makes that deal. They made that decision. They're the ones who made that decision. And that is the decision that we had- you know, agreed to. Right. So, you know, we, that's already done.

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other part of the website and the inventory, they're going to be right on the front page of our website, all this kind of stuff, which was just a link basically to then get to the other page that was on there. So now we're calling all these people. Great news. We got the VIP package. Things are starting to ramp up.

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So me coming on out and these guys, you know, saying, you know, the game show is funny. It is, it is kind of funny. It's scummy.

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That's inside edition. Correct. That's them. That's right. That's them. Well, I mean, yeah, I expect it, but I didn't know that it was inside edition to begin with.

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publication this is reputable i mean it's the inquirer so it's like inside edition to me is the tv version of the inquirer yeah and i refuse to i don't care if i see a commercial for inside edition and i don't care how intriguing it might be or how i refuse they're not getting my rating it's just not gonna happen

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We were telling people that we were doing these seminars, which he was doing seminars before I got there. And you look at some of his seminars that he was doing. There's like three people in the audience. Right. But you couldn't see them. And there were workers that worked for him. A suit that was like six times too big. You could just tell it probably wasn't. But- I mean, we're not lying.

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We did do a seminar before. Are any of these properties selling? No, I don't think one ever sold ever the whole time.

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But here's the thing, though. We weren't selling property. We were advertising the property. So that's how me in my own mind, I was justifying it is like, I don't really care if these people's property ever sell because one of the rebuttals were, well, what happened? Like, you know, like what, what if it doesn't sell?

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Well, folks, it's just like if you advertised your old rusty bicycle that you have in the garage in the newspaper for seven days and it doesn't sell, can you call the newspaper back and say, I'd like my money back because it didn't sell? No, but. You're paying for a 90-day advertisement.

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And if it doesn't sell in those 90 days, we are going to continue to advertise the property until it sells for no extra charge.

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It's going to stay there until it – But when you're – yes, it doesn't make sense to you or to I or to the – I guess maybe to our type of mind. But at the same time, when you're pitching it on the telephone – It's for a 90-day advertising. But if it doesn't sell in those 90 days, we'll continue to advertise it until it sells. So it's really unlimited advertising.

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It's literally 100% on our website. And that's it. It's just a website. It's just a website that he built. And then we would have the girl in the office or somebody there in the office. They would go on and they would find the parcel. They'd make a description of it and they would put it right on the website. So we were doing what we said we were doing because it is being advertised, but it's

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And those guys are out there, and most people never meet them.

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I hate to laugh because it's really not fun, but I don't know what else to do. I can't cry about it.

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Like, how good is that drug?

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Well, let's, let's go back to, so you were, let's go back to, you know, the genesis of that, which was, you know, you were in school, you went to high school, where'd you go to high school? Um, Went to high school. South Carolina somewhere.

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I'm the same way.

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Sometimes I'll work diligently on something for weeks and weeks and weeks and weeks. Super focused. The problem is, is typically when I do that, I disregard everything else that's keeping me going. That's always been a problem for me.

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Was it an honorable dish or dishonorable?

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So you go back to the States. So what happened?

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So you did the burglary. I mean, you didn't turn yourself in like the cops arrested you. Did you get caught in the middle of the burglary or just something led to you?

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So I know I know a guy who broke into a guy's house.

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Stole his wallet. Went and used all of his credit cards, broke back in the house to put the wallet back and left his ID in the guy's house.

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I mean, it's funny. Like we were talking about, adrenaline gets going. You get all excited. You just fuck up.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So we talked about this, like the genesis of that idea was Point Break, right?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I feel bad. Connor has no idea what Point Break is. Even if he does, he only knows the new version, which is nothing compared to the old one. Wow. With Keanu Reeves, bro, when he was... Patrick Swayze. Yeah, young. What was the other guy? Was it Nick... It wasn't Nick Nolte. What's the other guy?

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Gary Busey, yeah.

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I feel bad for you, bro. Like, the new movies, they're just nothing compared to the old movies.

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They're wearing the mask. They're doing the robberies. Like... Listen, I'll bet you that movie got thousands of banks robbed. Thousands of them. It made bank robbery look so fucking sexy. And it did.

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Right up until everybody starts getting shot and killed and falling out of planes. People always forget that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I love crime movies. I always forget about the part where they go to jail for fucking 20 years.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That's not going to happen to me.

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I suffer from super optimism.

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Yeah. Me too.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right up until the judge says fucking 26 years.

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Then it's like, I was off by somewhere. I have time to think about it now.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What? I mean, you went, I wasn't gonna talk about all that.

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No, I'm just curious. Sure. You know, and we've talked about this, you know, off, like this is, you know, I've talked to guys who do podcasts and they're always like... Like I've had guys actually say, well, I don't usually want to talk to the guests, you know, before the podcast. And it's like, really? Because I'm like, oh, I always thought, oh, that's rude. You're being a jerk or whatever.

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But the truth is, is that like we had a great discussion about adrenaline, about like, you know, going in. And that's what I'm wondering about is like going up to like me walking into a bank with fake credentials and everything. I have a certain – The whole thing, the adrenaline, you walk in. I know certain things. I'm just wondering, did you think about changing your mind?

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When you're walking towards that bank, are you just tunnel vision? That's it.

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I know a guy that used a pellet gun and fired the pellet gun in the middle of the robbery. He said his adrenaline was yelling. People weren't getting down fast enough. So I pulled the trigger, and it ricocheted off the ceiling and hit a woman in the calf, and she screamed, ah! I've been hit. And she falls down. And he said, he panics and runs out of the bank. Never got any money.

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He's like, Oh my God, I shot her. It's like, how did you think you shot her? You had a Pelican. It's like, I don't know. I wasn't seeing straight.

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So when you go in the bank, I mean, it's just a bunch of tellers. They immediately just go in the drawers and just start handing over the money right away. Nobody puts up a fight. Nobody says anything. Nobody just runs. Nothing. They kind of stand there in shock.

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And they're trained. They're trained to don't give the guy any trouble. Just give them the money immediately. It's not your money. Give it to them. Get them out of the bank. They want to get you out of the bank before something happens to us. Customer or...

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What year was this again? 1995, November of 95. It's not like there's cameras on everywhere right now. There's cameras just everywhere. Everywhere. They can walk around. They can do a small perimeter and find somewhere where they've got your tag number. Somebody, some business, someplace has a tag number or something.

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Yeah. Yeah. No, you had the, I heard that like the average bank robber gets 3,500 bucks. Like that's the average or something like that. It's not very high. No. I mean, that was, that was, I heard that by the way, I heard that before I even went to prison. I don't know if it's higher now, but five grand. Yeah. Got five grand. I was mad as hell. Not gonna lie. I'm like.

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You're looking at like, with a gun, because it doesn't matter that it's a pellet gun. At that time, it did. Oh, it did?

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Because she's robbing the bank. She's probably thinking, no, no, I'm just driving the car. No. You're getting charged. You're a bank robber. Conspiracy to rob a bank.

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Yeah. Right. You got to do that because it does seem it does seem cool to have a theme. You know, it does.

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It's in the movie version is cool. But in reality, it's like I really want to do this vastly different. Right. Catch me for one. They got me for one.

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So, but I guess I'd have done the same fucking thing.

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shit you know so well sweetie you're gonna have to take this money and go out there and just admit what you did so of course being the i'm gonna put money on your books i'll stay out here i'll stay out here and take care of you yeah exactly yep so

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I know, but you have to admit, even when things were going wrong in my case, there was still this little part in me that said, it's a coincidence. They're not going to figure it out. Right up until you hear the voice and they say it, then it's just like... Makes it real. It's so real. It's so real. At least before, there was a 1% chance. Yeah, that sliver.

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Yeah, but now you've got this money with bands on it. Yeah, that didn't mess us up. Oh, okay. I would think the bands could be tracked back to that bank or something. I would think something. I would be concerned. Well, we got caught on that one, so. No, no, that's what I mean.

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I thought you were trying to say that I figured even if they caught me when I was away from the bank, I could still say that wasn't me, but not if they've got the bands on the money.

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um yeah that's that's a bunch of macho so the what was it sunday uh what's the name of the sundance yeah it sounds it's beautiful it's a it's very romantic it is yeah yeah only if you get to leave the theater afterwards that definitely helps so

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They'll never find it there, right? This is here when we got here.

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Then you got to work and work your way up there. You do. You really do. Or you hit the lottery or you have to have a rich family member. Rich parents will help. But you don't have any of that and you work your way up.

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They don't necessarily need it. Fuck-ups need that. I need that because I'll take the shortest route. But a normal guy who's lived a good life and his thought processes are normal, he just naturally does it. So he doesn't understand how you came to your analysis of the situation. Because you immediately snap or I snap or I immediately say the first thing where these guys are a normal person.

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It's like, well, I'm going to say this. But if I say this, this will happen and that will happen and this will happen. But if I do this, then this is that. And that's what I want to happen. So I'm going to do this. Yeah, I don't do that. Well, I do now. But normally it's. Fuck it. Let's fake it. Let's change this. Let's fix this. Let's do this. Call so-and-so. I'll verify the employment.

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Like I immediately go fraud. I immediately think this is the easiest, quickest way to get what I want. And it's guaranteed. Yeah. Even though it's not. No. I think it is.

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So the tellers don't run outside and say he was in a blue Ford.

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I mean, no, like even though you didn't have a gun and you didn't make a threat, you didn't anything. They they just handed over the money.

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No, I mean, I know guys have robbed them with bank. I mean, robbed people are with a note. But I also knew a guy who he said, he said, I have a weapon, give me the money. And the woman said, let me see the weapon. And he showed me the weapon. And she's like, fuck. And she just, you know. She's a veteran.

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She was kind of like, let me see the weapon, you know, cause he's got no math. He's like, Hey, give me all the money in the thing. And she goes, let me see. And he goes, I got a weapon. She goes, let me see it. And he's like, Oh, okay. You're good. We're good. We're good. She's got bigger balls than half the convicts. I know. Oh, um, so, and so you, you, you're gone.

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$22,000.

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And just happened to see you running or just happened to pick up on what was going on. I said, I'm going to follow this dude.

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I was going to say, you know, that we talked about the dye packs. I knew a guy who robbed a bank with someone else, like actually took a hostage to get them in the bank, got a bunch of money, put it in there. It was a blue dye pack, had it in. They had it like in a bag and they were driving in like a stolen vehicle. And he's like, man, we're going like 50, 60 miles an hour.

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And we're driving, and the dye pack goes off. And he said, you have no idea how much it blows apart. He said, blew apart. And he said, the windshield straight blew. So I'm covered halfway in blue. He's covered all in blue. He said, the windows are completely. He said, we're literally driving, rolling the windows down, trying to look out. He said, it's that bad.

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He said, I finally had to stop, and we ran. He said, we're running down the street completely blue. covered yeah like it's it's it was he said and he said and it stains and it was over yep so i i definitely um i can't imagine being drive trying to outrun the police

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You know, guys will throw up. I had a buddy who got into a fight, and right after the fight, we were driving, and he said, pull over, pulled over, and puked. It was just the adrenaline. It hits everybody differently.

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Did you get out, or they drag you out of the car, or did you get out and immediately just... No, he came over to me.

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Yeah, my fear, you know, my fear to me, the whole out trying to outrun the police, you know, to me, I'm already thinking, well, eventually they're going to catch me. And the truth is, I'm probably better off pulling over and trying to get out on my own because I may end up getting shot. You know, I know these guys, their adrenaline is going. They think I've got a gun.

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If they think I've got a gun, then I end up getting shot. Right. You know, so to me, I mean, I and I've known guys who have been chased by the cops. And I literally like just hit the brakes and hit the brakes.

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pulled the emergency brake and jumped out of the car just as soon as it was done with their hands in the air and immediately dropped down on the ground because they were like, look, they'll shoot you in the car. They can always say, I thought I saw a gun. Some of the cops are super...

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I don't want to use the word vigilant, but they're just overly enthusiastic about possibly putting a bullet in somebody's head. And you just robbed the bank. You're running for the police. He's in fear. He thinks maybe he might get shot. Or they're just going to take advantage of the situation. Not that all cops are bad, but sometimes all you need is one dickhead.

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End up with a fucking bullet in your head.

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Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, no, the feds were, they were still looking at basically bank robbery, mobsters, like more high, I don't want to say highbrow, but you know. you know, more sophisticated types of crimes as opposed to now where it's basically almost like a state prison.

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It's a big state prison.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, okay, so they can't use those crimes against you for the purposes of career criminal.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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did 35 months yeah roughly okay so yeah i knew a guy who robbed a couple of or i think he brought three banks with a with a note he got uh roughly basically like 30 i want to say 36 months might have been 40 months but roughly the same amount of time sounds about right yeah i mean and when you tell people that in the feds that are just getting in and stuff they're like

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Yeah. Or listen, counterfeiting too. It's another one that you, these guys that can counterfeit, like they tend to get very little time for something that to me has, could have huge potential as long as you're not using a weapon. Listen, the moment you start using a weapon, they have an issue.

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But if you take a plea, typically you can take a plea. You know what I'm saying? But if you go to trial, oh, no, you're done. Now we have the opportunity to really just destroy you. We can give you 30 years. You could have taken three years. Now we're going to give you 30 because you passed $500,000 worth of fucking money. Mm-hmm. Like every every dollar bill is is it possibly a three year charge?

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Yeah. So, man, Oh, gosh. Oh, gosh. I talked to a guy the other day that actually Chad Marks. Yeah, he actually I think got 40 years. He actually went to I mean, he actually went to trial. It's like you're guilty. Like, what are you doing? You're guilty. I thought this. I thought that, you know.

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But yeah, he got 40 years for something that he probably could have gotten, you know, 10 or 15 for something like that.

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Yeah, yeah. And he's a nice guy. He's genuinely like, well, I talked to him before we did the podcast for like 20 minutes and just seems like a nice guy. He was telling me all the different things that he's doing. And he's like, look, you know, he got clemency or is, I don't know. I want to say clemency, but I don't think it was. It was basically what I think they modify.

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They knock off time off your sentence. They modify it. So there's another name for it. Right. Anyway, or was it the Second Chance Act because of – no, no. Anyway, whatever. The point is that he got out. He did like 17 years, and now he runs a legal – he runs a consulting firm. He also runs a – what do they call it? It's like a legal – he does legal work for people.

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Yeah. Well, he and this other guy that was on 60 Minutes, like they've won like sorcery in front of the Supreme Court. Like they've done stuff that like career lawyers who have been doing it 20 years don't do. And he's doing great work. But then again, he also had –

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I didn't want to play. I didn't want to join a softball league. You know, I didn't want to learn how to be a chef, you know, because they have the culinary arts. They had culinary arts. So I didn't want to be a chef or chef. I don't want to be. I didn't want to join a softball league. You know, I didn't want to play handball. I didn't. So I didn't want to learn to play the guitar.

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So, you know, there's like all these things that listen to her guys that are amazing in there. They play the guitar and you're like, oh, my God, like this guy is phenomenal. And then they join bands and they're they're amazing. But, you know, I just started realizing I started talking like I would talk to someone like you and you hear their story, maybe bits and pieces.

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And then one day you maybe even you hear it in two hours. They tell you their whole story because they have plenty of time. They they drag it out. They tell you every little incident. And by the end of it, like if you can keep me. You know, like, wow. I mean, like, like, like Boziak, when I talked to him, we talked for like two hours or so in the cafeteria.

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And I mean, like at the end of it, I was like, bro, we got to, you got to write this down. Like, we got to do something with this. What can we do with this? It's a great story. It's the same thing. And then the problem is you meet so many guys like that, but nobody can write their stories. They can't write their stories. It's very difficult to write your own. You wrote your own story.

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You know it's hard. It's tough. It's hard to see you as you truly are. So what happens is people write their stories. They become like a superhero. And it's like, but that's not really you. You're really – like as I was writing my story, I kind of started to realize – I'm a dickhead.

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Like, this is not really... If I had to rewrite it multiple times to kind of go back and realize, you know, you made yourself sound like a supervillain, but the truth is, you know, this was stupid. You're a dickhead here. You don't mention that you were scared to death.

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Well, you know, Boziak and I were talking about this the other day. Boziak's a guy that I do other podcasts with. And we were talking about, we were answering questions. And one of them was like, what programs would be good? And we talked about RDAP. He and I had talked about RDAP. You and I had talked about RDAP. But the problem is, is like, because recidivism is ridiculous.

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It's through the roof. And well, but you're you're so set up to fail when you get out.

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And and I'm not saying that a lot of these guys aren't. They're just not putting enough effort in. But also like. There's no one. I think everybody should have to take an RDAP tile, either program something inside or out. I mean, you could scale down RDAP so that it was just about behavior modification because a lot of it's just RDAP really 95% of it is behavior modification. Sure.

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So some type of a program like that, there should be more of an incentive to take the program and pass it, you know, a year. Okay. But you go through hell for that year. And if you could, you could give everybody that year and then people go to RDAP, maybe they get two years. So there should be more of an incentive. And then when people get out, like I got lucky.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I got out, I had like three, $400 to my name. So I had a little bit of money only because I wrote books and I got lucky and was able to actually get a book deal, a couple book deals while I was incarcerated. And I was a part of an option of one of my books. So that money was basically gone by the time I got out. Luckily, while I was incarcerated, after going to

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Walmart and spending $300 of my money that I paid, of my own money. Luckily, a few weeks later, the option hit again, and I got a nice little chunk of money. I was able to buy a new Jeep and get a year's worth of insurance. And I had enough money. I remember I had $1,000 left over, and I thought, this $1,000, I'm putting it aside in case anything breaks on the cheap.

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But I saw so many people would go. Their family would come in. They would give them a bunch of money. They would help them. They'd come visit them. They've got a place to stay. They've got everything. And with their first paycheck— They're buying a $150 pair of Nikes. And it's like your family gave you a chunk of money. Your brother-in-law got you a job. Everybody pulled together.

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And with the first bit of money you got, you spent it on a $150 pair of fucking Nikes. You're coming straight back to prison. And they do because their mindset is I still want to be a baller. I still want to impress anybody. I still want – as I cry broke – All the time. Yep. Everything I've bought. Did you know? I don't think I bought. That's not true. That's not true.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Now you know it's possible. Yeah.

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The only thing I don't buy at Ross or Marshalls. The only thing I don't buy is these T-shirts because I buy these T-shirts at Target because I really like the way they fit. And you can get two for, I think, $26. So they're like $13 a piece. To me, that's a lot of money for a T-shirt. Everything I buy is at Ross, Marshalls, Bells. Everything. I'm exactly the same.

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If you give me a million dollars right now, I can't imagine spending. I used to buy blue jeans that were two, three hundred bucks for a pair of blue jeans. I'm still have blue jeans. I still have blue jeans that I bought in Walmart three years ago. And I'm glad.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And you, you know, I get it. It would be different if it was, the difference is, it's not like I was still out and lost it. When I went to prison, You know, that, so by the time 13 years goes by and you get out of prison after 13 years, of me, all the money I use, I spend on core links so I could write stories, print them out, email them to people to put into Word, and then send them back.

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Like, I had a whole process down. So I'm eating soups. I'm eating every meal, every meal I ate at the chow hall. Yeah. And, you know, look, some of those meals are good. Some are good meals.

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Some are horrible. But, you know, listen. It'll fill you up. Yeah, you'll stay alive. You can be fine. Didn't go to commissary a lot. And when I did, I bought coffee or creamer. I taught the real estate class, so guys would give me coffee and creamer. Gotcha. I hustled certificates. Ah, yeah. But getting out here, I think after going through RDAP,

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and being so humbled that, and even now I get out and I have those moments where I want to buy a new vehicle and I can afford that. And I can, and it's like, bro, what are you doing? You've got a brand new car. Like I bought a, I got a little Jeep Compass. To me, I would say it's a chick's Jeep. I got a little chick Jeep. Everything works. The AC works. The brakes work. It's got Bluetooth.

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That's magic to me. Isn't it? Everything. So I just have to keep trying to be humble. And you could ask my girlfriend. It's hard. She's constantly looking at me. I'll say something and she'll look at me and I'll be like, fuck. You're right. You have to be thankful and humble. And I have to remind myself over and over and over again to do it. Because naturally –

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And actually, I want to drive a $100,000 car. I want to live in a half a million dollar house, which in Florida is a million dollar house anywhere else. I was going to say, in Florida, that's a shack, isn't it? No, no. In Florida, half a million dollars, that's like a million dollars. Money goes far in Florida. Really? Yeah, as long as you're not on the coast. You saw where we are.

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Like this house.

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Is probably worth, I think these things are just selling for like, this is like a $300,000 house. Okay. But bro, this house is huge. It's brand new. It's a year and a half old.

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Now, somewhere else in California, it's probably worth $2 million. So I'm saying I just have to constantly be humble and try and be thankful for what I have. And I think that's something that prison and RDAP put into me because I had a friend named Pete who used to say, and everybody's heard me say this, you cannot go to prison with the same mindset that you had prior to prison.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Go through prison and get out with that same mindset. Those same thought patterns and not expect to go back to prison.

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Right.

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It's the same thing. Look, you drank that whole time. You happened to stay straight but only out of the fear of going to prison. And then you finally got to that point, same issue you had before. Yep. Start robbing banks, go right back to prison. What did you expect? Of course you're going to go back to prison.

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So well, so you're but now you got out, you're, you're, you're, you're starting, you've started it, but you're still doing the groundwork for for a reentry program, Phoenix reentry.

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Is that the exact name?

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They don't want to give you one year off.

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No, it's the same thing. You're lucky you didn't end up on a bus. Man, you ain't even kidding. You ain't even kidding. Because very seldom do they stop a transfer. They have to make the phone. They have to go to, shoot, what is it? Grand Prairie. Grand Prairie, thank you. They've got to go to Grand Prairie. Even on the phone there is hard, even for them. So you got lucky.

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But that was the same thing. I was supposed to be transferred. It hadn't gone through. But they were saying, we're going to transfer you. And I said, oh, no, no, no. I'm going to NARDAP. Can't do that. So I go over there immediately, talk to Dr. Smith, which was the... Ph.D. woman that runs the program, you know, the word that you're saying, their coordinator, you're calling.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, they call it DAPC. Right. Yeah. DAPC.

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I was like RSA. I ain't heard that shit in a while. So same thing. She she she got me in there. And then, of course, six, seven months later, I drop out again. Yeah. And she just she thinks I'm there because I want the one year. I never told anybody. Right. I mean, like my buddy Pete knows I drop out because I figure I got the I've got a management variable on me. Can't move me now.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It's good for a year. Six. No, about three months later, they call me and they go, OK, we're going to transfer you. And I went to a camp because I had like, listen, when I went to the medium, I had like I like three points. I don't have any violence at all. It kind of surprised me when I heard you were even at a medium. Because I had 26 years. Okay. At the time. Right.

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So I was like, what are you talking about? I was like, no, no, no. I got a management variable. She said, I know, but they're pushing people to go to camps. And so I'm going to call and have it removed. And I'm like, I didn't know it was that easy. You guys made it sound like you couldn't remove it. And they were like, well, I mean, in this case, man, we got to get people to camps.

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You should have never. You should have never been in the medium. You shouldn't even be here. And I was like, you know, you're as soft as cotton. No, you got your female counselor telling you, my God. And I was like, I was like, we can't do that. And she was, I said, I'm supposed to go back to RDAP. She goes, you are? And I was like, yeah. I said, I've already had a meeting with Dr. Smith.

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And I'm supposed, she said next, she goes, when? I go like next week. And she goes, oh, gosh, okay, well, I'll hold off then. I won't put it in right now. So hopefully you'll be on the call out next week. I said, yeah, definitely. Immediately go back and send an email. And sure enough, luckily a week later, I did get a meeting. She said, okay, no problem. And a week later, she put me back in.

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But it was the same thing, transfer.

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Oh, absolutely. Yeah, they're not looking out for you.

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And you know they can't. My buddy Pete, who said literally, he's like the most senior CO, correctional officer, the most senior. Do I try and use the correct? Because I want to say cop. You know what I'm saying? The inmates say cop. Oh, yeah, the cops over here. So the most senior correctional officer on the compound. at the low has 18 months.

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You have to think, the most senior before would have 20 years. There'd be five or 10 guys that have 15 and 20 years there. Now the most senior one's 18 months. He's like, literally, we're telling the counselors how things work. This is what you do. They'll come to them and say, hey, man, this is what's going on. I'm not even sure. You know, like, I don't even know what.

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And he's like, well, fuck, if you try this, did you call so-and-so? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll do that. Yeah, yeah, that's a good idea. It's like, Jesus Christ almighty. You know, you got inmates that have been there 25, 30 years. And they're like, they know the whole place. They could run the whole place practically. They could use a computer. But that's how bad it is.

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And the budget is, they're being crushed by the budget. They have no budget. They have this... Nobody wants to work there. The guys are getting – like the COs are getting COVID and then getting it again and then getting it again and then quitting their job like I'm done because it's just everywhere.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It's so – not that it's dirty because Coleman was super clean, but the fact is how do you get rid of staff when you've got 180 guys – Living together, you can wipe that place down every single day with peroxide or bleach or whatever you want to wipe it down with. You've got 180 guys. You just can't get rid of the staff. You just can't. You know, the showers, you know, it's moist.

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There's no, you know, it's like, you know, where's that? There's no there's really no happy medium between keeping them in from escaping and And being able to have showers and toilets and sleeping in bunk beds. And, you know, it's just people just aren't meant to live like that. So it's a problem.

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Yeah.

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They didn't get a job as a CO because they wanted to change the system, clean up.

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Like I'll talk to cops who will say, you know, I genuinely, when I got hired, wanted to make a difference. Like I really thought you get a CEO job. You're like, I'm, I'm trying to kick back and make my 80 or a hundred thousand with some overtime.

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Well, I mean, because at this point, they're still able to use COVID as an excuse. As an excuse. And this is the thing, whenever I talk about prison, is that the truth is, That I know a lot of guys get in there and they hate on the CEOs and they hate on the – but the truth is, is like, listen, like I probably – I met one or two people who are in prison who probably shouldn't have been there.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know what I'm saying? Maybe I've met five or six that shouldn't have been there for something. Now, almost everybody across the board shouldn't have gotten the time they got. Like it's insane the time. Like, OK, you broke the law. You fucked up. You need five years. But they gave you 30 years? Your first offense. Right. Even their second offense for something that's always minor.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It's like, are you sick? So you had a gun that was at your house five miles away and they enhanced you because they found a gun when they searched your house that you didn't bring to the drug thing. And now you got 15 years.

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Because, yeah, it's like, holy shit. Like, you know, it's it's there's there's all kinds of reasons. But, you know, the truth is, is that, look, 95 percent of the guys that are locked up, like, I don't want to live in my neighborhood.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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you know they're just they're they and not so much because not because they're criminals or they did something wrong but because they're in there and like we talked about they're they're just plotting their next indictment and to me but also by the same token The best people I've ever met in my life I met in federal prison. So you know what I'm saying?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like where's that – and that to me has to be – there need to be programs. And these guys are going to fuck them up. They're going to fuck them up.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No. But just like RDAP, look, it doesn't matter that – you're right. 80% of the guys might be faking their way out. But to save the 20%, it still saves so much for overall. It saves the taxpayer so much money. If you do the math, that program more than pays for itself, and it saves the taxpayer so much money. Absolutely. And what would save the taxpayer even more money.

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is if these people had some way to get themselves back into society in a decent way. Because the truth is, and this is what I was going to get at, and this is me just being a fucking narcissist, is that most guys are not going to have the savvy to set themselves up to be able to get themselves back on their feet, even with the halfway house.

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Because the staff at the halfway house doesn't want to help you.

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And they just hate you. They're doing everything to want to fucking make it as hard as possible.

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I can't have my laptop. I can't have an iPhone or a cell phone or whatever you want to call it. I can't have any of that stuff. I can't have access to this. The halfway house is worse than being in prison. To me, it was. It was more. They were on me more.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. Probably because there was a camera. Probably because somebody else wouldn't back up a statement. Not because he felt bad, but probably just because there was a reason he recanted his statement. Where did you get hit? Was it on the camera? Where were you standing? Okay, then the camera should have gotten. Or we talked to so-and-so. He said he didn't hit you. Or, you know what I'm saying?

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It's like... It is.

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And it's not, bro, that's not like, like what you're talking about doing is not easy. No. You know what I'm saying? It's not like you're, so it's, it's, it's a lot of struggle with very little payoff. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, until you, you reach that finish line and even then it'll be a struggle. Yeah.

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Well, you know what's interesting now and now because of COVID and stuff, even all the stuff that you could kind of manipulate to help you in some way, like getting a resume or something, none of that's happening. No. So now you're in even a worse position to get out of prison. Now you're really screwed. And then the halfway house, like, okay, how much time do I get in halfway house?

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People are like, oh, it's great. You get to work and live there for free. They're taking 30% of what I make. Plus you're paying your taxes. So you end up, you're basically working for less than half Yeah, because they take that 30% off your gross. Right. Right. So I'm working for less than half. So if I'm making, you know, whatever, you're making 15 bucks an hour, you're working for a lot.

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Now you're working for about six bucks an hour, seven bucks an hour if you're lucky. And so, you know, you're trying to save that. You're trying to drive the bus, even after I got a vehicle. they wouldn't let me park it in the parking lot. That took another two weeks. So I had to have my buddy drive, keep my vehicle at his gym for a couple weeks.

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Like a vehicle sit in the parking lot for two weeks, do you think that's not an opportunity for somebody to steal the vehicle? I have PIP. I don't have liability. My car gets stolen, I'm done. It's not financed. I couldn't get financing because I wasn't allowed to get financing because I had to get permission to get financing. And they said, no, you can't get financing.

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You're in the halfway house. We're not allowing you to get financing. How am I supposed to buy a vehicle? Ask your family. My family's not helping me. They don't have money to help their convict brother who just got out of prison and lives in a halfway house. Who would help me? Where are you going to stay? You could stay with your mother. My mother lives in a retirement community.

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I can't stay with my mother. I was in a really bad spot. I got lucky that an ex-girlfriend took pity on me and said, you can live in my spare room. And when I was like, I can't do that. I'm not going to do that to you. I'm not going to do that to you. She was like, no, no, you'd be helping me. You'd be helping me. I was like, stop. I'm not helping you.

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I'm paying you like $600 a month, and you're throwing in food. I'm going to eat you out of that $600 right here and fucking tee it. Listen, it got so big. She finally came to me after a month or two, and she's like, listen, I wasn't anticipating coffee. You drink a lot of coffee. And I was like, oh, man. I was like, well, how much? I'll pay it. I'll pay it. But it was the same thing.

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When my car broke down on probation, my car broke down. I live like four miles to a bus stop. I'm not saying I can't walk that in a mile. I could take an hour and walk that. I could get dropped off there and walk back. That's a couple hours. Assuming the buses run on time, I could drive the bus for another hour and a half to where I worked. That's fine.

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I could spend an extra five hours a day so that I could go work eight hours. I could do that. You're right. It's not impossible. But I'll tell you what it doesn't do. It doesn't make me not want to commit fraud. So the fact is when my vehicle broke down and I went to my probation officer and I had $1,000 that I could get a new vehicle for. She said, you can't finance anything.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And I was like, why? She said, well, you have a financial crime and we don't feel comfortable letting you finance anything. And I was like – I said, I don't have a car. She said, well, figure something out. I said, I don't have anything to figure out. My figuring it out is let me go buy a brand new vehicle, which I can afford because I have the pay stubs for.

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And luckily, I didn't listen to you people. And I went and got three credit cards when I was in the halfway house, which were – which I got secured credit cards because I knew this moment was going to come someday. So luckily, I didn't listen to you, and I can do it, but you have to give me permission.

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We argued for two weeks before she finally said, I'll let you spend $300 a month on a new vehicle. I said, then I'll have to get a used vehicle. She said, then you get a used vehicle. I said, but don't you understand? If anything goes wrong with the used vehicle, I don't have the money to pay for the repairs. If I get a new vehicle, I at least get a bumper-to-bumper warranty. Warranty.

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I'm not trying to get a brand new Lexus or a Lamborghini or something or a Porsche. I'm trying to get the cheapest bumper-to-bumper I could get, which was my Jeep. So literally, when I came back, I was allowed to spend $300. I spent $375. She was furious. Furious. And I was just gambling that she wasn't going to violate me for an extra $75. But she could have. She could have. She could have.

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Hey, this is Matt Cox, and I am here with Sean Marshall. Sean Marshall received clemency. He is a former robber. I appreciate you guys watching. Check out the interview. Whether it's true or not, and more often than not, I would say there's typically things that led to in your childhood that maybe helped contribute.

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So I'm saying everything is against you.

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You know, you can, you know, look. Here's the problem. It's that could you make it? You could make it, but it would take someone who is extremely resourceful, manipulative, and someone that is super humble and super appreciative. I mean you would have to change your mindset so fundamentally. And the truth is by the time you get out of prison, you're probably pretty fucked up.

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So so if you haven't had some kind of a life altering experience inside prison to get you your head right, you got a long road ahead of you and probably you're just going to get reincarcerated.

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What is recidivism? That's a massive – that's not cracks. That's people falling into a swimming pool. It's not like a little – it's really a few people. The people that are falling through the cracks are the ones that are succeeding because almost nobody succeeds. If you look at recidivism, it's –

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And I've seen people who have gotten out who seem like they were going to do the right thing. They were going to do the right thing. And then one or two things go wrong. And the next thing you know, they're in such a jam. And what do they do? They rob a bank or they do something like that. I know guys that robbed banks while they were in the halfway house. Yeah. Within a few months. Yeah.

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I've heard of that as well. Jess and I knew a guy that literally was telling people in the halfway house that he was going to do heroin. He's like, I don't know how long I'll be on heroin. Supervised release is because, I mean, I'm going to go back to heroin. I mean, I just I love it. And I this and I that. He died a year later.

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Year later, we got she got notified by a mutual friend that said, hey, remember so-and-so? Yeah. Boom. Here's his obituary.

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It's – he didn't have – nobody ever talked to him. He got in trouble for like stealing – using company credit card. He ended up getting like 14 months or something ridiculous. Didn't go to RDAP. Didn't get this. Didn't get that. Got three months at halfway house. Put him back home. He's back on fucking heroin. Boom. He's dead.

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I'm not saying that's the BOP's fault or anybody's fault but his own, but I'm saying you could have certainly – and by the way, this guy, he was an engineer. So he made over $100,000 a year. He had a – It's not like he was a guy that didn't contribute a lot to society. This was an upstanding guy. I've met guys from NASA. I've met lawyers. I've met doctors.

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I've met all kinds of super smart guys that end up in federal prison because they did something slightly stupid that in another country would have probably just gotten you probation. Instead, they get five years, 10 years. They get back out. Everybody's left them. It's over. They're rebuilding their whole life.

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The advice of the halfway house and probation officer is, My probation officer, my advice to, you know, reacclimating myself to society was you're a smart guy. You'll figure it out.

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Like, OK. Yeah. And I'll admit I'm probably smarter than the average bear. But what about the average bear? What about the average bear? You know, like and luckily for me, I didn't I don't think much about that because I'm solely thinking about myself. But now that things are going OK, now it's like, well, no wonder the average guy keeps coming back. And that's why you're saying figure it out.

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That's actually a hustle in there. I know guys that were charging guys like $100, $200 to write a business plan. I was like, what are you doing, bro?

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everybody's hustling in there aren't they everybody they listen to every business plan that somebody I came they go man that is a good idea that's a good idea and they go man can you write up a business plan yeah man it's like a hundred bucks give me a hundred bucks in commissary or a hundred you know you do one or two of those a month and it was basically his business plan was the same basically over and over it was just horrible people are just horrible just preying on people oh yeah you're in there with a bunch of criminals what do you expect so

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You wouldn't have to. The easiest thing, well, one of the things would be good is to actually be able to go in like every once a year or something to multiple prisons and kind of give a presentation or explain. Like that'd be the perfect thing to try and get to them so that they know it's available because the staff's not going to help.

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But, you know, if they were allow you to come in and have that conversation. And the other thing is, you know, I mean, guys, so luckily in Florida, they have what's called the flow bus. And that is the where they allow you to get your driver's license. Do you know how many guys I know that we're getting out of prison that are going you're going to the halfway house and you don't have an ID?

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You don't have a driver's license. And I was like, why didn't you go to the flow bus? Bro, I did. I put in for it twice and they canceled at the last minute this time and the other one was full. And then I had – I owed this much money on back parking tickets. So they would – I had to pay that off. Well, that was $800 and I couldn't get it paid off. So I couldn't get my driver's license.

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I could get an ID but I – it was like – like you would think that they would have something set up the federal government have something set up to say listen we're quashing this guy's eight hundred dollars he's been locked up 12 years drop it like let's get him a driver's license let's get him that like It's all on you. It's all on you. And I get it.

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I get that it's I get that it's your fault that you're there and I get that whole thing. But the truth is that these are guys who have a lot of these guys have never had a job. They don't know how to fill out paperwork. The anxiety is overwhelming and the staff doesn't want to help. And so they get out. There's no help. They're super.

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They feel more comfortable going to a drug deal than they do filling out paperwork to try to get a fucking driver's license.

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Yeah. I was just thinking that a lot of these guys, they'll take advantage. They'll be like, oh, you do this. Basically, they want you to give, give, give, give, give.

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They don't give a shit.

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Yeah.

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to, you know, however you ended up, you know, incarcerated and sometimes not, you know, in my case, I had, you know, raised upper middle class. Like I was just a, it's just a bad seed. But in some people's instances, like you, I've heard their stories and it's like, wow, bro, like you didn't have a chance. So I don't know what yours is, but can we start there?

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You become kind of numb to it. It's funny because you see guys like that. And then two weeks later, you're talking to them. And they're just the coolest fucking guy ever. And then a month later, they're just this despicable human being. And it's, it's, it's, if you don't have that problem, it's so hard to rectify in your mind.

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You know, it just doesn't, especially since other people can be alcoholics or addicts of some kind and, and they manage it somehow. Yeah. Like, but this guy's a lunatic.

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So as I'm seeing all, those are the guys that are dating the, that are dating all the hot chicks, even though they're, they're losers and jerk offs and they're not going to go anywhere, but still. That's what women, especially in high school, are attracted to.

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Can we start with like, where, where were you born? Your parents? Yeah.

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And then there's always the justification like, oh, they're insured. They have plenty of money. They won't miss it. It's a huge corporation.

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What's your mom saying at this point? She's got to be...

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And.

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Yeah. I remember my, I remember my dad telling me one time, he's like, listen, if you get arrested, he's like, you don't want to call me. I was like, it was like, okay, so definitely don't get arrested. He's an asshole. He's an asshole on the best of circumstances.

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And it's mostly mostly you guys are selling drugs or are you just you're just doing everything across the board or across the board?

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You don't have anything else to sell.

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worth the risks right at all and it was not as glorious as most people will make it seem in these movies and everything else when they talk about the life of crime like bro we were bottom feeders but the kids on the street that are taking the these huge chances are are making nothing you know 50 a couple hundred bucks a day standing on a quarter making five bucks a sale five bucks a sale but at the end of the day

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It doesn't add up for being put in a position where you could get shot, you could get arrested, you could have a pistol on you and sell a $10 crack rock and end up with 15 fucking years because you got two felonies. You don't even know that. Nobody tells you that until you're sitting in prison, until your attorney is explaining, you've been arrested twice. Here's how the law works.

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And you're going, yeah, yeah.

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But when you get robbed, when you get robbed for that money, yeah, we're out.

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I don't want to put too much detail out there, but I just remember it was a convenience store and cameras, guys behind the counter with possibly with a gun and the police actually investigate those crimes. Exactly. Unlike a burglary where they take what was missing. And they store it somewhere. They're actually looking for the guy that's robbing 7-Elevens.

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Same thing that they probably went through that somebody did that same thing that they just thought this is a natural progression of being in this life. And what other options do they, you know, I'm not justifying it. I'm just saying that like in, you know, to them, In that lifestyle, it's like, well, what other choices do I have? I've never really had a job.

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And they think, oh, you don't make anything on a job anyway. What are you going to make, $10 an hour? I can make that in three minutes. Yeah, but you can't consistently make that and not end up in prison. But they don't think that far in advance. And let's face it, you working at McDonald's isn't cool.

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You know, those same guys who come in and order a cheeseburger from you and humiliate you and make you feel like, you know, and that's everything when you're a kid. When you're in your teens, that's everything what your peers think of you.

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Yeah.

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They have a budget.

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Yeah. And listen, they've got cooperating witnesses down. They got people just waiting to find out something.

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Are these all like convenience stores or are these...

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I was going to say, they say Joe Pesci acts like he thinks he's in the mob. He thinks he's a mobster. He's a tough guy. You're like 5'3", bro. You're not a tough guy. You didn't kill all these guys. You're not a mobster.

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Yeah, you're soldiers.

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I have a buddy. named sharif who went to um afghanistan and nicest calmest guy you'd ever know and ended up shipping uh opium back because they don't check like their packs and all the stuff and he was shipping you know every few months shipping fucking tons of fucking not tons but whatever pounds of opiates back to the until he eventually gets gets caught it was just like

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Like you talk to this guy, you would never, never see. He's like, I know. I don't know what I was doing. It was so easy. You're in a position of trust when you're in the military. So it's easy to find those loopholes and take advantage of them. And then when it catches up to you. you know, they don't play around with those sentences either though. 10 years, 15 years.

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You get out and you're even more lethal. Yeah. Yeah. Not running into a convenience store and getting a little bit of money. Now you're thinking, let's go take, let's do a bank takeover. It's like,

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Is this like robbing the cashier, the head desk?

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How do you get caught? I mean, you rob the place, you run out, you jump in a car.

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But you hadn't really been humbled.

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So what were you – you're saying you were doing art. Was it tattooing? Because I saw – the tattoos on Instagram are – Oh, no.

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But most of what I was – The tattoos were good that are on Instagram is what I'm saying.

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Right. Okay. But actually, I was going to say I know it's not from back then.

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Yeah. People, I always get the question, like, do you ever think about committing fraud? I'm like every day, like every day you think I, you think I'm, Oh no, I would never. Are you kidding me? Do you know how tempting it is?

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But then, you know, when you go to prison and you really start thinking about it, it's like, well, wait a second. I did need the money the first time I did it. But when you've got a couple hundred thousand in the bank or half a million or a million, now why are you doing it? You know, it was like, it's not the money. Like, I've got a million and a half in the bank.

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Why am I now laying in bed plotting another scam? It's certainly not for the money. You know, now I'm actually justifying reasons why I need to do another scam. So yeah, it's absolutely, you know, the money becomes irrelevant. Of course, that's a huge plus and it gives you a reason to do it, but it's certainly not the deciding factor in that decision.

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It's the, like I said, it's like walking out of the bank going, wow, like that rush over your whole body. You're just like, it was amazing. Yeah.

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I would say they should teach. They should teach a class in high school. all through high school, they should teach the federal sentencing guidelines and whatever state sentencing guidelines that you're in because people or high school students, it would blow their mind to realize that are you telling me that for doing something that stupid, I could spend this much time in prison?

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And then even if it's a minor chart, even if it's something like, oh, three months, listen, three months, Three months might as well be three years because the truth is your life is devastated. When you walk out after three months, you don't have a house. All your shit's gone. None of your buddies are waiting there with your clothes and a stack of cash to get you back on your feet.

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Your car's gone, and you've got bad credit. You are in a horrible situation now.

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In high school, you'd never even think that. You'd think, oh, you only go to prison if you kill somebody or something. Wrong. Yeah.

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What is a resource officer? Is that like a police officer?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, okay.

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How could you possibly...

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That's not necessarily enough. Yeah, it's not. You getting caught saying, Jimmy was with me.

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You have my cell phone? I'll give you their phone numbers, bro. Jimmy, Todd, Todd live with his mom. Bill, baby. fuck i just got out of prison we let can we spread this around oh so you're saying there's 30 years jimmy can do two five in them i couldn't do it bro i could not do it for the life of me i couldn't so they're like broadster and a guy that goes in a bank with a gun what

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I'm not even that close with Bill.

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You pled guilty.

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So you were living with your mom. You thought she was you felt like she was done with your stepfather.

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What's your lawyer's plan?

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take a guard hostage drive this truck through this electric fence because this prison that we're at it has an electric fence surrounding it they're like getting better and better this is jesus crazy right like you're just racking up the charges now i've got a now i'm uh yeah hostage i've got uh theft of the truck hostage and and escape like phew

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I was going to say, is that a memoir?

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But this doesn't mean a whole lot to the system.

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I mean, that's nice. You know, that's nice to hear. But I mean, you know, that's yeah. OK, great. But did you really what did you think when she said it? Did you think it was that like hope or were you just like it was hope?

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I was going to say, that's such an impossible task. Yeah.

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So my problem with you getting clemency is that keep in mind what the governor is being shown that while in prison, he took part.

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planning an escape like this guy may have you know had had the staff not been able to for you know thwart that that conspiracy he may have tried to escape like you know they tend to not you know guys that go to prison say hey i got 45 years i'm gonna go ahead and just make the best of it and they follow the rules but the guys that go there and then they get in trouble the whole time they're like yeah you're a lost cause so the escape thing doesn't sound good

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Not at all.

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By the time they went for the clemency, you'd also had a long span.

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Yeah, okay.

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Plus, listen, it's a hell of a lot of time you already spent. It's not like you were in six months and they gave you fucking clemency, bro. It's not like you didn't already do a chunk of time.

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Bro, I don't know what it's like laying there thinking like you don't even think like you must be still. It hadn't even been a year. You're still, listen, you're still walking around in a daze, right?

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It took me six months before – around 3.30, you start feeling uncomfortable because it's 4 o'clock count. I mean I don't know what it is in the state, but you had to be standing in your cell at 4 o'clock for count. Like about 3.30, 3.45 for about six months, I felt like I need to be somewhere. I felt anxious. I need to get – I didn't even know where I need to get.

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I know I'm not in prison, but I need to get somewhere. For six months, I kept thinking they were going to come knock at the front door and be like, listen, we fucked up. Honestly, for the first three months, I'd have been like, I knew it. That's why I didn't unpack my shit. I knew it was too good to be true. That's why my stuff's still in boxes. I knew it. I didn't get rid of my sweats.

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I still got my sweats. Yeah.

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You're going to get me all upset. Oh, yeah. I'm serious, bro. I get all fucked up. 13 years. Listen, I'm a narcissist, bro. It's so hard for me to be humble and appreciative. I have to constantly remind myself, hey, you need to get a hold of yourself, bro. You're lucky to be here. It's tough, but definitely the humble because listen, I'm anything but humble. So it's tough.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, that's good, bro. That's a good story.

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Where are you working?

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Yeah. Well, I mean, one, you know, now I understand. I didn't realize you'd just gotten out. Yeah. Like I thought you'd been out for a few years at least. So I remember when I looked at your Instagram page on the tattoos, I thought, man, you don't have anything on here. He's got, he got maybe 20, 30 tattoos. Like that's it. And they're all good. They're all great tattoos.

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But I was like, boom, boom, done. Yeah. It's like, yeah, I guess there's what is probably I don't know what if it's 20 or 30. Not a lot, but there's not a lot on Instagram.

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It's still old school.

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Yeah. Yeah. And the mural is great. You know, I saw, I, I just saw one thing where there was a mural, one post where there was a mural, but that was great. Yeah. Thank you. Okay. Yeah. This, this is, this is all making more sense now. Yeah. So, Okay. Did you do the tattoo thing? Are you actually mentoring anybody or are you just work there for now?

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Well, so listen, if you send me your, your, you send me like your links to your social media and to the dream center. Yes, sir. To the dream center. You know, I'll put that in the description box. Absolutely. Yeah, that's a good story. Thank you, my brother. Yeah, that's a good story because it's actually got a decent ending.

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You know, I mean, I know you're saying it's not ending, but, you know, if you had to end it, walking out of prison is a pretty good ending. Absolutely.

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The system already made the decision that you're supposed to do minimum 30 years. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So it's not like you say. And the worst thing is. I used to always say the best thing about being in prison was that I put me there. I knew guys that like, shouldn't have been there. Like that would have been the worst. You didn't even do anything.

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And you ended up in, or you got a sentence that was so overly, you know, harsh for what you did, because I knew guys that were the prosecutions coming in, offering them three or four years. And they go, they're like, fuck you. I didn't do anything. I, you know, I was being scammed too and went to, went to trial and got 17 years. Yeah. Like, damn, you shouldn't even be here. So that's the worst.

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At least I deserve to be there. You know what I'm saying? You're in the same situation. You're like, you put you there. Yeah. No, I can't even bitch. Yeah. I can't even, I can't even point at somebody and be like, that guy's an asshole. Nah, that guy, I'm the, I'm that guy. So yeah. Yeah. You got me all upset, bro. Um, But listen, I'm kind of a pussy, so I don't want you to feel bad.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It's just – all right. Man, listen, this is a good story. Thank you, brother. Yeah, I definitely send me the social media links and any – if you can give me a photo or something. Well, we can talk about that. Let me wrap this up. Is there anything else you want to say? Are you good?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Hey, if you like the video, do me a favor. Hit the subscribe button. Share the video. Check the description box for any of the social media links for Sean and the Dream Center. Also, I'm sure there's probably a way to donate money. You should probably do that. And I really do appreciate you guys watching. See ya.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, we were talking about that earlier. We were just saying, do you ever think about it? I'm like, I think about fraud every day, constantly.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That's – bro, listen. Fantastic. You know what's funny? It's funny because like 80 percent of the people that graduate are like, oh, I faked my way through. And you did. No doubt you did. But the people that really work for that program and have to really look at themselves and say, hey – I'm a scumbag. I put myself here.

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Nobody else did because everyone, you know, there's so many people are blaming somebody. So, you know, that you put yourself here and you really look at it and you really say, I've got to make some fundamental changes. Like I had a program the other day where I mean, a podcast the other day where I was saying, I think everybody should have to take that program.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like before you get out, you should have to take that program.

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To me, it's almost it's really just about criminal thinking. It really is. Or whatever. Yeah. I can't remember the term.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Listen, Jess does it all the time. She'll say stuff to me. She'll go, oh, super optimism.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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oh she'll she'll make these little she'll make these little little comments i'm like don't don't don't do that she's like i'm just saying i'm just saying yeah you're uh you're awfulizing you know right brings back some memories i hadn't even heard any of that in so long but that's just yeah if you read this you'll die laughing because you know what i did i actually pulled a bunch of my um

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my RSAs. So every once in a while, I'll throw an RSA in there. Oh, yeah? Listen, I wasn't trying to get the year off. I only went in the program to stay in Coleman. So I literally did... Seven months one time, six months. So I did over a year in something, dropped out every time before just to stay at Coleman.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, yeah. They called them – you had like mentors and you had big brothers. That's what they called them. It's all the same. Everyone has a little – they'll have a little different terminology, but it's the same exact thing.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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On the street, that's $150,000 program. Absolutely. Like if you literally – if your family was filthy rich and they put you in some kind of a program like that, that's over $100,000 easily program. And you're getting it for – I mean, granted, you're incarcerated, but you're there anyway. You're there anyway. I mean – Um, and like, I don't really see any difference in me.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know, I'm not necessarily seeing this difference, but she, I would call her and she would go, what's going on? What's wrong? What's this? What's that? And I go, what are you talking about? She go, you called me up. You asked how my kids were, you know, their names. You asked how her, her new husband is. You asked about this.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You asked about, we've talked almost 15 minutes and you haven't said anything about you. And I'm like, okay. She's like, usually that's all you talk about is you. Like, I didn't even know you knew my kids names. Right. Like, and I was like, wow, what a selfish prick. Yeah. That subtle change was so noticeable to her. It's definitely mind-altering.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You're giving him to me.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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The problem. Not because you're trying to help me.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No. So you like, you enjoyed helping him. It was the first time that you, I get what you're saying. You were, you liked helping him and it felt good and you felt like it was right for you.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. I mean, look, it's it's you know, it's funny. It's just life in general. And we'll get into all that. But so I can we can get we'll just get through this. Sure. Because we kind of jumped ahead. But the truth is, is that, you know, is that in prison, I definitely learned purpose. To me, my purpose was just getting everything I wanted. That was my purpose.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And then I went to prison, and then I realized, well, I really enjoy writing. I enjoy talking to other people. I enjoy talking about what they've gone through. And I do, and I enjoy that. And unfortunately, the... the things and the people that I find the most interesting are the people that have done, you know, that were involved in criminal activity.

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But also having gone through that whole thing and learning, I also realized that, like, I can't be, like, if you're doing dirt, you know, like, I can't be around you. Like, if you did it and you got interesting stories, like, to me, you're an interesting person now. You've had some experiences as a result of, you know,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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To the guy who, you know, worked a regular job and has, you know, have a wife and two kids. You know, I wish I could have been that guy. I'm not knocking that guy. Like, I know guys that will knock that guy. Like, oh, yeah, he's not happy. He's not. Yeah, but he probably is happy. He is. Like, I wish I had been that guy. It didn't work out.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But I always find the guys that have done crime interesting. But the truth is, if somebody was currently doing crime, like, I don't want to be around you. Like, like. You did it. You went through it. You learned something. You moved on. Like that's an interesting person to me. But the people that get trapped in it and can't ever move forward, well, now you're just stuck in this rut.

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And if you're lucky, you figure it out. And if you don't, well, then you end up dying in prison or you end up on the street or something. Like it's never going to work out to your advantage. Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Listen, I don't know that guy, but I know 50 or 100 guys that are exactly like, literally, you're listening to this guy work on his next indictment. It's like, you are right now working on your, you haven't made it on the street. You're already working on your next indictment.

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So I was just going to the racetrack, basically. And so this guy sitting in the corner didn't bug us, really played it cool. And that's what a con man needs to do, kind of worked his way in. But we noticed he was a pretty good handicapper. He would pick some winners, and if he won, he would buy us a round of drinks.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So it's one of those things he knows all about it, living vicariously through his brother. So giving his brother's line out there to people like he's an expert at it. And I'm sure Dave grew up, he knows the antique business a little bit. We did have some pieces where he had some pieces in the house there. He was like, don't set your drink on that table. That's worth about $1,000. Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I was like, oh, you know. So he knew his stuff, but he didn't need to lie to me. All he had to say was, yeah, I got done looking at antiques, because what he was saying he was doing was he would go to these sales, and he knew wealthy people that were looking for something. So if he find the piece, he would just play middleman and broker it and make a couple hundred dollars.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I lived with him for six months. Right. And I saw kind of watch the whole thing unfold. I saw the tragic end when he skipped town in the end, but we'll get to that. But I just saw the way he manipulated people, and it's a pretty amazing story. And this guy had known these people for six, seven years, so it's not like some guy that just came in someone's life.

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So that's what he was doing. when Avelina was giving him $300, he was just going to the racetrack. Even if he lost, he was just giving her more money to build up credit. But what he told them he's doing is he's buying pieces and flipping them, basically. Right. So when I say antiquing, like flipping antiques to make money. Okay. So that was the only really thing that made me hesitate early on.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He did the same thing for my parents. My parents gave him $1,000. He said, yeah, I've got some antiques that I'm going to go buy in Miami. And he left one day, came back, said, here's $1,400 for your mom and dad. You know? I was like, wow. That's an easy way to make 40% on your money pretty fast. And again, that builds credibility. And so...

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You know, he would give me grief about the music that I listened to. And I just liked this guy named Josh Rouse because I met him. But I liked Dan Halen and U2 and those are my bands. But he wanted to play Counting Crows. But I remember he would just needle me like, let's listen to Josh Rouse. You know, just make fun of it. So it's not like he was perfect Mr. Cool. He wouldn't be a goofball.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He could be a douchebag. Yeah. And he could act like a douchebag. And I was like, hey... I remember saying, hey, at least I'm the one, the metrosexual guy everybody's questioning about. And he goes in his room and he comes out.

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I'm like, oh, he's got pictures of her. He's got a whole story about her. And I'm like, oh, I can't believe I did that.

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I'm like, oh, Dave, put your foot in your mouth. I remember I walked outside and he's like, bro. He's like, you're a dick, but it's okay, man. You're not the first one. I was like, hey, as long as you're not going to come hop in my bed at night, I don't care. So we just played it. We're dudes. We're playing it off. We've got all these hot chicks around here.

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He's like, man, I just can't get Jen out of my head. And I said, I understand.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And what's crazy is I had been engaged July of... Oh two, been a good seven grand at wilderness lodge. And 20 days later I was unengaged and that's because I loved her dearly. We just weren't in love. Right. And you know, if I hadn't proposed, we'd probably still be dating. You know, as one of those things, we just had to do something and just cut the cord and be done.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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She and I are still dear friends. But, uh, so I was, it was kind of weird. I had always had a serious girlfriend, uh, But I was kind of playing the field, and I'm in a new territory, and it was just kind of weird. And the bar rats, that's not really my scene there because there's plenty of girls that would be intoxicated. And Dave's like, bring one home. I'm like, no, I'm not going to do that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That's never been my deal. And I was like, why don't you bring one home? And then, you know, that's kind of what precipitated the whole thing. So he explains to me back in Cleveland, he got engaged, this high school sweetheart, Jen, developed cancer and just, he took care of her. She went downhill. And so he came to Florida, worked on a fishing boat and just need a new break.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But he was a con man, and he was setting them all up in a long con.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And I was like, you know, that was six years ago, but it was still obviously really bothering him. So I hadn't mentioned my buddy, Matt. who I went to college with, and he had Section 8 apartments and houses, and he bought stuff, and he's like, you know, as a senior management at ABN Amro, we've got a bunch of foreclosures.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He said, Matt would have to be partners with me, but we've got a whole portfolio of foreclosures, and we get first dibs on them. And so I get him on the phone with my college. Not exactly how it works, but okay. Yeah, well. But you don't know any better. I didn't know any better at the time. And he's got the appraisals on company letterhead. We go and look at the houses. Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He's like, here's one in Pembroke Pines. It's a 2-2. Yeah. you know, I think the company got 38 invested into it. If we, you know, so I didn't know any better and I'm talking to Matt and Matt's one of those guys. He's, he did well for himself, but he, He thinks he's smarter than he is. Right. And his brother and I used to go, hey, Matt, we've given you our knowledge. You've chose to disregard it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So good luck. You know, he's one of those guys.

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But I really didn't stay that in tune with that. I just knew that Matt had bought a couple houses, and they were looking at a third. Now, understand, I go to the racetrack with this guy all the time, but he's not whipping out $5,000, $10,000. That's something my baseball buddies do. He's betting pretty moderately here. But I do remember him playing a pick six.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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he lost in the last race and the look on his face like someone died like he really needed the horse to win i was like oh man and come to find out it was like if he would hit it would have been like two or three hundred thousand that would have cleared a lot of his troubles right and so but you know i didn't know it at the time but he really needed that money and he was pretty salty on the ride home and i

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And I never really saw that side of him. He was just really angry and frustrated. But, you know, being a guy that likes to gamble, hey, I understand that. And I just thought that was, hey, just had some bad luck at the racetrack. Right. But what his problem is, is his time's running out. And he's, you know, we'll get to it, but his time's running out.

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He's got to come up with some serious money soon here. So...

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Remember when you said you were at the bank and the bank guy said, I can't put my finger on it, but something's not right here. And you said, well, I'm sure it will come to you. So I was kind of...

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It's just my intuition just told me something was really off. And you know what the main thing was? I didn't go in his room. And when you peeked in there, it was a pigsty. And people that do well normally take care of their stuff.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Very well said, Matt. His mattress looked like he hadn't washed his sheets in three years. It was that. It had the sweat stains on it. I'm like, oh my gosh, that looks like a prison cell. And I'm no neat freak, but I started rebelling from him, making up my bed every day and just trying to be like, Hey, if girls ever come back here, are you going to bring one in that room? Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He had ripped people off about over $150,000. Okay. And his parents had to pay to make the people whole. All right. And then he moves. Moves to Florida. Works for a commercial fisherman for a while. Then he gets a job with ABN Amro. That's the amalgamated bank of Amsterdam, Rotterdam. They're like the fourth or fifth largest bank in the world.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And so we would play, have poker games at night on the weekends. There was this place called Mulvaney's, a beach bar we would go to. And he would pay every time, Matt. And I was like, dude, I'm not your girlfriend. Right. You know, and I grew up with a father that always picked up the check. And so it's just my nature.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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If I'm taking a check out, even if we're on the friends, I'm paying, I'm just paying. It's just, that's the reality. I'm paying, you know, I'm old school like that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I did feel bad. But he's got my buddy Matt money for 30 grand. 30 grand. And Matt just told me, I'm giving him another 15. And I'm like, I don't know, dude. Hold off. Make sure these... First couple deals go through. What are you giving them more money for? Right. So I opened up, and I figured, hey, I made a little sketchy myself. I'll glue it back together, make it look good like it wasn't open.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, or it didn't show up. Yeah. I've done that before. You're missing, yeah. I have a couple things not show up here, too. Yeah. Mom and dad's credit card when you're a kid. Oh, that's my statement. That goes bye-bye, right? Yeah. Kids don't do that. So I looked. He got the money from Matt. It didn't go to the bank. It was withdraw, withdraw, withdraw.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But I didn't say anything to him because I thought, how would I know? Maybe he and the vice president of the bank are putting one over on Matt. Yeah, he's partners in the deal, but they're pocketing their profits up front. Right. Okay. So you don't know exactly how the money is distributed. I don't know exactly how they made the arrangement, but I kind of know.

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And I remember we're in August and we started getting some really bad rainstorms and there were some hurricanes in 05. There was Charlie, there was Katrina and Wilma later on. And My grandma wasn't staying in her place in Lighthouse Point. And I remember Dave called. I was staying up there. I would spend a lot of nights up there because I started seeing this chick.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And it was kind of get away from him. I kind of had my fill with him. Mm-hmm. Now, I'll be the first to tell you, he's an amazing dude to hang out with. He's a lot of fun. He's very charismatic, and that's why people like him. My buddy at ABN Amro that taught me the mortgage business, Kevin Goodnow, thought, that guy's shady. There's something about him I don't like.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And he's the only person in the whole office...

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that thought dave was shady what's weird was dave would say i don't like that guy kevin i was like kevin's taught me the mortgage business better than anybody and kevin ended up getting hired on full time that's what i'm trying to do so anyway that storm dave asked if he could come stay with you know because he wanted to get rained on in her place because there was a hole

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I forgot to tell you about the house. The one we live in. Right. Dave says he owns it. The He said, you'll see the landlord show up, but he's got to deal with me. And he showed me the documents. He's buying it. The landlord's going to get rid of the wife. And he had told a bunch of people that. The landlord? He's going to leave his wife. Okay.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And he's going to sell the place, the rental property. So he doesn't own it? So he doesn't own it. Okay. But he told me that he owned it. Right. He said, you might see the landlord come by. Right. and do some maintenance, but it's all a show because he's going to leave his wife soon. And I was too stupid to not figure out that that was just a garbage story.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I don't understand. Exactly. Okay. And, you know, if Travis was here, they might be able to say, I don't remember the exact story. He was basically, the landlord was selling it out behind the wife's back, basically. So he was going to buy it. He had plans with an option to buy it. A lease with an option, something like that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So, and I remember it was kind of weird when he stayed with me that night up in Lighthouse Point. But, you know, just because I think he knows that I got into his bank statement.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You're about to start your adventure, and I was going on a little adventure of my own there. So it's 2005. I had just shattered my femur.

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But he's not going to approach me on it. And I was wondering if he's going to say something to me, I have no problem talking about it. Right. Because I would have said, oh, yeah, dude, I'm sorry I opened it up. I didn't, you know, I don't look at anything. I just ripped it, you know. That was going to be my answer. Right. So, and I mentioned Kevin.

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Kevin taught me everything about the mortgage business. When he got hired full-time, he sat next to Travis and Avelina. Now, as I mentioned earlier, Dave introduced Travis and Avelina. They used to have another girl. I think her name was Rachel that the four of them would hang out. Unfortunately, she committed suicide.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And this is a true story because there's a plaque dedicated to her down at the beach. And so those three of them would go to the bar on her birthday and talk. And I wasn't invited. And I remember thinking, dang, man, you guys are going to leave me at home. But Dave said, we're going to talk about Rachel.

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And Dave's like, hey, why don't you come move in with me and get a job where I work? I had mentioned something about watching the Kentucky Derby because that's my thing. I'm into horse racing. And Dave said, hey, at work, don't mention horse racing. Okay, so that was the only really thing that made me hesitate early on.

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And so really what they were talking about was, Hey, when were you going to get our money back? Right. But Dave used dad as an excuse. But so, and this was the, the kind of the final nail in the coffin as far as what I was seeing with this guy. Now, you got to remember, this guy walked in, everybody, hey, Dave. People love this dude. Right. At lunch, if you go out, he's picking up the tab.

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fallen off a roof i'm i'm a former financial advisor who does roofing that well i wasn't really a roofer i had you were just i had another way to make some money i had friends that paint okay so i was painting a roof i wasn't actually a roof and i've said that i had a guy that i used to work with at pain weber ubs ubs pain weber said i need my roof painted the homeowner's insurance is

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Yeah, exactly.

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Absolutely. I'd love to, that sounds like a lot of fun. That'd be fun to have, be large and in charge.

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He said, I remember I got a first mortgage. Got a call in. It's a first. Now, what I'll do, Matt, is I'll do the whole application. And then I'll be like, who wants to get a nice commission? So I'm going to give it to Kevin, my buddy Kevin Goodnow. Taught me everything about the mortgage business. Kevin sits right next to Travis. And Kevin's like, dude, I can't. I got two.

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I'm closing two deals at once. Right. Travis, want a first? It's closed. You just got to, you know. He's like, oh, great. That night, Dave says to me, Travis really doesn't like you, dude. And be careful. Don't be flirting with Avelina. He's really jealous. And I'm many things, Matt. I don't flirt with other dudes, wives, girlfriends. That's not my thing.

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I went to a really small high school and I was a hopeless romantic. And I think this girl's cute. And then I hear Johnny talking about how he made out with her last week. And I was just like instantly. So they didn't quit making girls. There's plenty of them out there. Right. And Evelyn wasn't my type. I never flirted with her. That's just. And Dave's like, oh, yeah.

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Well, Dave doesn't want me talking to certain people in the office.

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Yeah, that's what I would later figure out. And then he was like, I don't know what you did to piss off Tommy, but boy, you know, I'm like... I was like, dude, he can't take a joke. But that's another guy he needs to keep me away from. Right. So there was some of the things there, but, you know, in the back of your mind, it doesn't make sense. Right.

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I'm going to join my buddy Billy and Kurt. We're going to go to the Jersey Shore for Labor Day. All right. And like I said, I've kind of spent time away. They haven't made me full-time, even though I'm either first or second in second mortgages or home equity lines of credit. I'm really doing well at the company there. But for whatever reason, I've not been offered a full-time position. So...

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I'm just going to take Friday off and they'll be gone Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday. And I get up to Jersey shore. And I remember I talked to Dave on the phone and I was like, yeah, we're going to Atlantic city. He's like, let me send you some money. I'm like, if you're going to offer to send me money and I like to gamble, it's like, yeah.

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And he sent me 500 bucks and said, let me know if you need more. Don't tell Carol.

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And I was like, okay. All right, dude. I was like, did you, did you make a big story? He's like, yeah, I, I, I hit the superfect at the, you know, he made up some story. So he sent me 500 bucks. And I remember thinking, man, I should have asked him for another $500 after, you know, setting that. So had a great weekend in Atlantic City. Went to Wildwood.

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Just kind of, it was like, met some really cute girl from Westchester. Then I kind of lost her in the crowd as the bars closed. Like they take the drinks out of your hand at 2 a.m. and I couldn't find her. And so I remember we went and saw, uh, the hangover that weekend, just a really great weekend with my college buddies. And I'm thinking that was great.

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associations coming after me so make a long story short i gave him a quote i didn't hear from him six months later i come back the towel breaks i fall i shatter my femur i'm learning to walk again and so i was just going to the racetrack basically at the palm beach kennel club so you're not working not working staying with mom and dad Mom taking care of me. Let me tell you something.

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So I fly back home and I remember I was driving down from my parents' house and I can either go right to work or I can go to the house first. And I thought, I'll just go to the house first, maybe change the shirt, you know, And I get there, and you just have that feeling when you open the door, something's different.

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And there were betting slips all over the floor. Because in those days, just so you know, nowadays, you don't need to keep your gambling slips, your bet stubs. They track everything through player cards or online. Because if you cash over the IRS limit, you might have to pay taxes on it. So Dave had serious IRS troubles, I would later find. I'd find these notes from the IRS.

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I mean, he had hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of bedding slips.

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And on the kitchen counter, there was a note for Travis and Avelina. And I thought, great.

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dave kind of said it all out there for me he said listen as you know my brother has an antique and stamp business he said the government you know people are doing more and more email so their stamp business is really going down so they sell all these odd lot stamps at a discount.

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Yeah, that's what I thought too. He's saying that the government has so many, you know, they print so many stamps, but they can't sell them all.

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And then some of them, you know, they sell them in lots and you'd get seven off a roll here and... And through the years, they just pile up. So, you know, if you're going to buy it.

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At a massive, you know, bulk, but you've got to take two cent stamps and three cents. You got to take whatever they give you, but you're going to get it at a massive discount. And he had said that he and his brother, they've done this before.

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it takes a little while to to get your money back but companies will buy those stamps from you because you're going to sell it at a discount to them right and he said you know my brother's in with you know he's been buying so many stamps from the government he's got inroads there he said you know you've got some friends that have some money that's a great way to make 30 on your money tech he said and he was you know my brother and i take a small fee and obviously

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We've got to make it good for the corporations, or are they just going to buy it from the government? So we've got to offer them a discount, but there's a nice spread there for a nice profit. And he pitched me that before I went on vacation, and I was like, well, Show me the deal. Show me how it's done.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And then if you show me the, you know, I got to see some things before I'm going to go talk to one of my ballplayer buddies or somebody that I know. I'm not just going to take your word for it. And I think he was probably heartbroken that I didn't bite on that. Hand over 20 grand to invest in stamps. I think he was looking for like 100 grand.

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When you wake up, see the beautiful sunrise, your body heals faster. They lived on the beach. It was great. So, this was spring training, 2005. My buddy Jeff Cox, we call him Coxie. I've known him for years. He said, hey, I'm going to bring Paul LaDuca by. He's a new Marlin. He got traded the year before to come up and hang out with us. So,

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Because in the little note he left me, he said, I was hoping you'd end up being my partner. Partner? That doesn't sound like that. Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It sounds great. It sounds like an interesting idea. Show me something. And the way he sold it is, listen, the government has made so many stamps and so many people use email now, they're never going to be able to sell all these stamps. And they're still printing them. You've got the forever stamps, and then you've got 7 cent stamps, 15%. There's such a backlog.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They've got warehouses full of stamps. And he said, we have companies that'll buy them, but they might have to piece them together. But if we can buy them for 40, 50, 60 cents in the dollar, then go to the IBM or somebody that still sends out mail. and packages it up for them, hey, yeah, they can buy it at a discount, so it makes sense.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Again, when he told me that, I'm not thinking anything, but he wants me to talk to people that I'm just not going to go...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'm a former stockbroker. I never asked Paul one time to manage his money.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And that's what I do. Right. And when I say manage his money, I would talk about putting his money in a Schwab where he could see it online and he would just pay me quarterly because that's what I did at a company, Atlanta Capital Management. I brought all my assets to them and they paid me quarterly. And I hadn't even pitched them on that.

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So if I'm not, cause I'm more about friendship than worrying about getting your business.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And I think that was kind of, so that's why I say, I wondered, did he want me to fail at work? So I'm, you know, I owe him because I'm living in his house and he's paying the rent. I don't have to pay rent. Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. And he wrote in this note to me that I was hoping you'd be my partner. And I tried to get you, uh,

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I got the letter and I'm like, wow, this dude's gone. You know, I was just kind of shocked.

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And understand, he'd lived there for six years. Right. This wasn't just some short con and all of a sudden he's gone. He had made friendships with people at work and people around the neighborhood that he had to pick up and leave on. And I know that he didn't want to leave. And he probably, you know, he didn't want to con these people out of money, but his desire for

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gambling money, I guess was so much stronger. He, you know, pulled off a con here and there. And I think he just probably worked himself in a big hole. Then he came up with these other business ideas. Now you've got people that had given him money. Well, anyways, we'll get that. I drive to work and I've got to tell Travis and Adelina cause they left. Dave left me a note.

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What did the letter say to you? What did your letter say? It's basically said, um, I'm sorry, but I got to take off. I was hoping you'd be my partner, but I don't own the house.

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I'm hanging out with Paul and Coxie, and there was this guy sitting in the corner, kind of kept to himself, had a bag of pens in his racing form, and slowly but surely, especially after Paul's wife went back to San Antonio, we were there Thursday night, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, In a Major League Baseball, you have to play about five innings, and then you can leave.

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My bad. My bad. Oh, shit. And I'm like, and it was just, you know, I'm just. And we're currently being evicted on. You might want to find someplace else to live. He's like, I'm sorry to do this to you, but I didn't pay September rent. Right. So I'm like, oh, great. Just moving sucks in and of itself. But that was at least my concerns. But I still don't know.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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How much that he said, but they left the note for Travis and Aveline and I gave it to them and I heard screaming around the corner. Now I'm at work. I'm sitting at my desk. Travis is down there. Kevin's down there and Travis, they're screaming, they're yelling in there, but there's other people yelling. Oh, okay. So now it's spreading and it's spreading. Right.

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And then the management calls me into an office and I pull out my letter and And I was like, this is what he left me. And I gave that letter up. I think I made a copy of it and sent it to Matt because I got to call my college roommate who, by the way, told me, oh, I did send that other 15 grand to him. That's 45. $45,000 I've given Dave.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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On the road, baby. It may have been. Well, I'm thinking that he probably had 20 grand on him when he left or 30 because he wanted to send me another 500 bucks. If he's hurting for cash, he's not going to. Yeah. Why are you? Why are you sending me money? Right. You know. Because Lord knows, I wasn't going in on that stamp deal. And he made a pretty hard pitch at me.

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And I was like, just show me how it's done so I can go to other people. Show me where you're buying it. Show me your pitch. I've got to see it. I'm not going to take anything... I didn't do any cold calling when I was a stockbroker. You know why? Because I hang up on cold callers. Right. They annoy me. So, you can go, I'm Dave Wilhauer, JT Marlin, you got to get a boom.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I got to have a relationship with you. I truly believe people do business with who they like. That's why Dave Srael was able to get abscond all that money because people liked him.

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It means nothing, really, in the grand scheme of things.

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And Paul had horses that he owned at the time, so he would drive from Jupiter to West Palm Beach and watch them run. So I'm having a blast just hanging out with these guys, especially when they make $8 million a year. Right. And hanging out with Coxie and Paul. And so this guy sitting in the corner... Didn't bug us. Really played it cool. And that's what a con man needs to do.

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You're just one more phone call headache that I got to worry about.

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Yeah. I tell you what, you're a better man than me.

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Oh yeah. And you know, he created the fear of loss, you know, like, and if you don't have it, don't matter, but I got to get it by, by Monday, you know? And right.

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When we did my family's business, we did club sales. Public or quasi private golf country clubs would turn private. And it was a deposit membership, so when you resign your membership, you get all your money back. It's a liability, not a credit for the club. My dad came up with it. It was a great program.

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Some country clubs, you join, pay $100,000, you leave, you get $20,000, if that, if you're lucky. So it was a deposit membership, but they would have price increases, and people would be waiting there and be like, hey, July 1st. The price goes from $25,000 to $35,000. And most of these people are really wealthy, and they're like, I don't know. That's fine.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But if you want to play golf at the club... It's 30, it could be 35,000. It's 25 right now. Right. So fear of loss is big thing. And I love what you said in your other video, you make that sales pitch and you shut up. All right. My dad told me the same thing. Your dad said, yeah, next person that spot speaks loses.

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Oh, and then we had a problem with guys that would keep talking like, dude, you've already sold them on it. Shut up. So anyway,

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screaming at the office screaming at the office and uh and and people kept coming up did dave's rail really leave and i'm just sitting at my deck i'm like trying to do the second mortgage like yeah give me 10 minutes i don't know i'll tell you all about it and then the vice president comes over and said uh dave you know me from adam can i have a word with you because do you know what happened to my hundred thousand dollars

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, my God! What's crazy was how... Did it keep getting worse and worse? How Dave sold me to Matt was he was doing what was called Six Sigma. It was some type of club. I'd never heard of it. But I would see him sit down with the vice presidents of the bank. Now, I shouldn't say the bank. The mortgage company.

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But this was the major call center for a Dutch-based company that owns LaSalle Bank and some of the other... banks in the United States. So it's a pretty big deal. It's like the fourth or fifth largest bank in the world. And he's, I would see Dave have meetings with these vice presidents. So I knew, you know, he was kind of a, a big wig, maybe not at work, but reputation wise.

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Kind of worked his way in. But we noticed he was a pretty good handicapper. He would pick some winners. And if he won, he would buy us a round of drinks. Not that I'm an expert, but in my life I've noticed if you want to be friends with a celebrity or be cool, don't ask them for anything. Don't ask for autographs. Don't be annoying. They want to be treated like something. Yeah.

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So it didn't shock me that he would talk to maybe a vice president and say, Hey, let's sell some of these foreclosures. Hey, greed is what runs society. Even if it wasn't on the up and up, that didn't bother me about that deal with my friend, Matt. Right. You know what I'm saying? What I really didn't, you know, I'm thinking, well, they can sell for it's their properties.

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And if the guy's the head of the real estate division or has control of that, why can't they sell some? Obviously it was a scam, but it was on AB and Amaro letterhead. Right. And my friend, Matt was able to get his money back, but not the people in the office, Travis and Avelina. What'd they lose? Lost $35,000 to Dave.

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Now, what Dave would do, and if you go on DaveStrails.com, there's what's called a, he would write a Cognovic note. I've never heard the term Cognovic. Okay. But I think psychologically, nobody else had. Instead of saying- Is this a made up word? I owe Matt Cox $35,000, but a Cognovic note. It kind of made it more official, you know what I'm saying? It's Latin. Yeah, exactly.

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Meaning, I'm going to fuck you out of your money. I mean. Yeah, hold on to your wallet. And so, and there was a guy that lost five, another guy lost two. And there, some people were like, I had a girl tell me, I loaned him $2,000 last month. Said he pitched me on some stamp deal.

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My husband and I said, no, I'm not even going to say anything because there were people that really lost a lot of money. So in the note that he leaves to Travis and Amelina. In the end, like what do you think he got the office in general for? Over 300, close to $400,000. Whoa. Just people in that office. Okay. Yeah.

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And the note he leaves to Avelina, he's like, you have the ring that I gave to my fake-ass fiance. Cut the shit, bro. And you know what bothers me? Is he's writing this. He's thinking that people are going to miss him. They want their money. Right. But he's still in his mind. He's sentimental. He's writing a goodbye note. And you can read it on davesrail.com. It's called letters section.

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And he's like, I'm going to New York. He said, I'd commit suicide, but in my health, life insurance policy, it's not covered. Like, he feels so bad about what he's done. So you guys could get your money back.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. Let's, let's make it look fishy. Yeah. Let's make it look fishy. We'll just throw a gun by and then put someone else's prints on it. Yeah. Well, yeah, but we'll make it look like a hit and run. Yeah. Go out in the road.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Let's do the right thing. Do the right thing. Okay. Careless driving just 50 miles right over the embankment. Right. It'll be a hit and run. It's accidental death. Your insurance problem will be whole and we'll thank you for that. Yes.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, absolutely. Do the right thing, Dave off yourself. So in his note, he kind of lists in there, you know, sorry I did this to you because, but your heart picked the right friends. Don't let this incident think that, you know, these people had to be going, I was friends with this guy for five years. The lady puts a picture of him in there saying, this man was in my house last Thanksgiving.

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You know, just, they want to be treated like a regular dude. Right. And so I used to be a sports agent and I had to, we would go to the second floor in this little cubby hole cafe because I wanted to keep Paul away from, I hate to call him riffraff, but a lot of the people in the kennel club, they're just brutal.

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So Avelina's mother makes a whole website, Dave Srail, the con man. And I remember my friend Matt was... Did you tell her you're coming on here? I'm sorry. I told Kevin. I don't know Avelina's phone number, but I told my friend Kevin.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, yeah. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Yes, it did. Okay. And so they put the website out because they're pissed.

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They want the sucker caught. Because they went to the police and the police said, oh, it's civil. Yeah.

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And think about this, Matt. I would call Ken Srail, Dave's brother, just to get some background. And he would tell me that, yeah, it was an insurance company. I think it was State Farm. I'm not positive. He did the same thing seven or eight years earlier. That's why he had to leave Cleveland. And his mom and dad paid his debts to make people whole.

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And so he left with his tail between his legs and went to Florida. And started over. And started over. And he ended up doing the same thing. And Ken said, you know what's funny? is Avelina would end up calling, getting the number for Ken's, but Dave happened to walk by and Ken said, yeah, tell Dave I said hi. And I guess she was embarrassed because she wanted to find out where her money was.

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So she's just going to call the brother because Dave acts like Ken's in on it. Yeah, yeah. And he said, yeah, tell Dave to call me. And so Ken said, yeah, I was wondering if he was up to his old tricks because I was getting weird emails to my website. But what Dave ended up doing was copying Ken on emails, but making up his own Ken Srael that he could, you know, anybody can start a new.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Inside the Mind of a Fraudster Who Outsmarted the System | David Srail

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Right, right. My brother's Ken Srael. Ken Srael 11 at yahoo.com. And that comes to me. I set the email up. And so that's what he was doing them. These people were pissed.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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The brother didn't know anything about what Dave was doing.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He's pissed that his brother's done this all over again and hurt more people. And so I end up talking to Ken. Super nice guy. And I, you know, I'm like, I just live with this brother. I was like, your brother's a good guy. If he just would put his, he's like, my brother's a smart guy. He just can't help himself. He's just a scumbag. He just, he just can't get over that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And you gotta figure, they didn't give, the stamp deal is what he, I think he sold all the people in the office on. That didn't happen two years ago. That was recent. So he was actually doing good. But something happened along the way where he started getting in more debt.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Inside the Mind of a Fraudster Who Outsmarted the System | David Srail

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That's not a real thing. But the con was real. What I'm saying is he'd been at that office for five years. So he just recently got himself into trouble.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Inside the Mind of a Fraudster Who Outsmarted the System | David Srail

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That's why I think this guy's got some rich friends. Maybe he can help me because we'll rip these people off so I can make the people at work whole.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And, you know, they're probably Mets or Yankees fans, and they're giving Paul grief because he plays for the Marlins. And I remember one guy saying, hey, LeDuc, I didn't know you were so short. And he'd say, yeah, but when I stand in my wallet, I'm a lot taller than you. So anyways, time goes on, and we just befriend this guy. He said, his name's Dave. David Scott Srail.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Because like I said, that one day when he missed that pick six, he just was devastated. And I've seen him, everybody loses photo finishes, but he was devastated. Because I imagine he probably told him, hey, it's going to take three, four months to unload all the money. But after three, four months, They were like, where's our money, dude? We gave you the money back in December of last year.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, you know, or stamps. We're trying to get the companies. We got to get all the stamps. We got to get them allotted together. But I think he ran out of excuses. But here's another thing that bothers me about the whole civil and criminal. These people were dealing with somebody at a bank, the fifth largest bank in the world. You would have thought they did a background check on them. Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Inside the Mind of a Fraudster Who Outsmarted the System | David Srail

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On their own employees. Well, are you saying he had been locked up before or he'd had... Well... It was written, I think it was in the paper, about his shenanigans in Ohio. Okay. So I don't know if he'd been arrested or not, but I'll call previous employers.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Inside the Mind of a Fraudster Who Outsmarted the System | David Srail

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Okay, keep going. Okay, that makes sense, but...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Inside the Mind of a Fraudster Who Outsmarted the System | David Srail

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So who knows? It's true.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Inside the Mind of a Fraudster Who Outsmarted the System | David Srail

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Right, right. So Srael ends up going to Texas. And the following spring, Paul, my buddy, the baseball player, lives in San Antonio. And he calls me and says, hey, does that guy, that guy Dave that you live with, does he bring a big bag of pens to the track with him and wear a bandana? I said, yeah. He's like, he's sitting three feet away from me. So Paul goes to talk to him.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Dave says, I'll be right back. Paul said he went to the bathroom and ran out of the racetrack. Paul's like, dude, I'm not going to turn him in. I just want to talk to him.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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that website ends up going up and someone finds out Dave's real name. Apparently he'd been using fake names. He was doing, uh, fake names once he took off. Yeah. I think his real name is Dave Shrill. Dave Shrill. But, but he was giving fake names and he was also signing up for like, uh, big pharma has all these tests. Uh, what, what am I looking for?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Inside the Mind of a Fraudster Who Outsmarted the System | David Srail

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They're looking for volunteers on a blood study. You know what I'm saying? They pay you this much. Exactly.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Inside the Mind of a Fraudster Who Outsmarted the System | David Srail

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All kinds of chemicals in his fucking blood. When we went to his room, he'd done them before. Travis and Avelina would later come to the house. I kind of blown it. If you read the end of the letter he left Travis and Avelina. Right. After he BS's about, you know, the suicide. Poor, poor me. Poor, poor me. But I'm going to use my talents for good. And trust your heart, Avelina.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You didn't do bad picking friends in me. And you found a great man in Travis. And at the very end there, and he said, oh, and as far as David, I just don't have the words. And what he means is that guy David and his mom that he stole $300,000 from. That was their life savings. He couldn't leave him a letter. Which one was David? There was another guy in the office. Oh, okay.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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My name's David Scott Wilhauer. Hey, that's nice. He's from Cleveland, Ohio. I'm from Michigan. So he's a Buckeye. I'm a Wolverine. But he was just a super nice guy. And so then Paul was talking to him. Coxie's talking to him. So he kind of joined our little group for that month and a half every weekend in the spring of 05. So

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Inside the Mind of a Fraudster Who Outsmarted the System | David Srail

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I didn't know about it either until I read the letter. $300,000 he stole from a guy and his mom. I went outside the office. He was sobbing in his car. Dave was. Dave was. This guy David.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Inside the Mind of a Fraudster Who Outsmarted the System | David Srail

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That all our money is gone. Wow. No, we can't arrest a guy for screwing. Because here's my thing.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Inside the Mind of a Fraudster Who Outsmarted the System | David Srail

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Puts it on this note saying, I did the money from you. Writes a note saying, I'm a con man. And admits to it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Inside the Mind of a Fraudster Who Outsmarted the System | David Srail

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So if we screw banks, you go to prison. But if we screw the American people. Go fuck yourself. Go find a lawyer. Now, lucky for my buddy Matt, I found a great attorney down in Miami that's a friend of the family. And he got Matt all his money back. How? Well, he sued A.B. and Amro. Okay. Because it was on their letterhead. It was their employees. He presented it. He sent the appraisals.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Inside the Mind of a Fraudster Who Outsmarted the System | David Srail

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He sent the descriptions. But what about the other guy?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Inside the Mind of a Fraudster Who Outsmarted the System | David Srail

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It's terrible. That's why I'm sitting here. Because there's a big injustice. The people that on your venture, I don't think what's it, what, when it's all said and done, the banks, they have insurance policies against fraud. Right. Or at least they've built it into their business model, the business model.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Inside the Mind of a Fraudster Who Outsmarted the System | David Srail

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You said there was one guy that was really mad at you and, and I had, so I actually have like four victims.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Inside the Mind of a Fraudster Who Outsmarted the System | David Srail

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Did he lose his life savings?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Inside the Mind of a Fraudster Who Outsmarted the System | David Srail

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You know what I'm saying? That's my point.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Inside the Mind of a Fraudster Who Outsmarted the System | David Srail

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And he's that mad?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Inside the Mind of a Fraudster Who Outsmarted the System | David Srail

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They don't like to get over on... Right. But it's just... How do we allow this to happen? Even if they don't lock Strail up and say... We're going to garnish your wages to pay these people off.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Inside the Mind of a Fraudster Who Outsmarted the System | David Srail

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That's not a hard process for the police. So he goes to Texas. The guy reads davesrail.com. And apparently Dave had a knife on him. And the guy confronted Dave. Now, Dave's not a fighter, but he pulled the knife out, like, get away from me. That's the only reason he did 30 days in jail is because he pulled out a knife. Pulled a knife. The guy called the cops. Yeah. Dave was gone.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Inside the Mind of a Fraudster Who Outsmarted the System | David Srail

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Found a new company. The guy talked to a detective. The detective found the website, davesrail.com. They arrested Srail right before he was going to get on an airplane. He was working for some company that they used to fly off-site in Texas. But he only did like 30 or 60 days in jail. That's it. He goes to Evansville, Indiana. He screws a lady out of a couple thousand dollars. He's repeated this.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So in my mind, if we could say this guy's a scam artist, he's a perfect con man. Cons short for confidence. You gain confidence in him. He is a con man. Right. And if you say he did it in Ohio, he did it in Florida, he did it in Texas, he did it in Indiana. I mean, you've got a pattern from the 90s up to 2015. He's just screwing people. It just hasn't stopped.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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About April, Coxie and Paul, the big club's going to go play at the old pro player stadium where the Dolphins play now. They've since moved to downtown Miami, but the Marlins played right by Calder Racecourse. And so I was thinking, hey, I'm going to go to the racetrack and then I'll go see the boys play baseball. And Dave's like, hey, why don't you come move in with me?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So you would think they would do a little extra... He's got a social security number. Yeah, you check, does he have a criminal record? But you've got to be really careful. You've got people's social security numbers. Everything's there. Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Inside the Mind of a Fraudster Who Outsmarted the System | David Srail

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Matt, I would talk about second mortgage with people and I'm like, you're going to have to give me your social so I can do your credit. People don't like giving social security to strangers over the phone and I don't blame them. Right. But they give it to you.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Inside the Mind of a Fraudster Who Outsmarted the System | David Srail

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How do you get on a maiden name?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Inside the Mind of a Fraudster Who Outsmarted the System | David Srail

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Let's have a password just in case. Absolutely. What's your mom's maiden name?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Inside the Mind of a Fraudster Who Outsmarted the System | David Srail

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Three years later, I started getting notices from the IRS that I owed back taxes. And I thought, that's strange. Maybe I hit a $2,000 ticket to the racetrack that I didn't claim on... Oh, no. Someone said I made $270,000 a year, got 70 grand in taxes. He used your social security? Someone used my social security. Who could that be? I thought maybe it was Dave's Rail. Okay. Was it? It wasn't?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Inside the Mind of a Fraudster Who Outsmarted the System | David Srail

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It wasn't. Oh, that's what you were going to say. But they let go of me at the bank because they felt like I was a distraction at work, even though I was doing a great job. And I wasn't full-time. I was still a temp. They never brought me over. And people were coming up to me. I don't blame them. And to be honest with you, I didn't want to live that far south.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Inside the Mind of a Fraudster Who Outsmarted the System | David Srail

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It'd be like you going down to Sarasota. It's just too far of a drive. It was too far. And my friends were all in West Palm Beach, Hollywood. That's a good hour and 15-minute drive. But I was still pissed that they... They gave me my walking papers because I was the top, you know, I was writing a lot of second mortgages. But yeah, people would come up to me. Have you heard anything from Dave?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'm like, listen, you guys know him more than I do. Yeah, you lend him money.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Inside the Mind of a Fraudster Who Outsmarted the System | David Srail

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And I'd see him talking to people, but everybody was Dave's friend at the office. This guy, everybody loved him. He had scams that he was working on, but I didn't know it at the time. So one Saturday, I'm at home. Mail goes through the slot. And it's his Bank of America statement. I opened it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Inside the Mind of a Fraudster Who Outsmarted the System | David Srail

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But, you know, like I said earlier, I'm thinking that maybe he was just hoping that I wouldn't

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Inside the Mind of a Fraudster Who Outsmarted the System | David Srail

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work out and i'd be so beholden to him because he was paying for all my meals and food that i would call my rich friends to get him in on the scam so what happened um where where'd he go like have you heard where is he now so according to the website he's fishing up in alaska right now as a as working like a deckhand yeah something like that Like Alaska Sea... What are the crabbers?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Inside the Mind of a Fraudster Who Outsmarted the System | David Srail

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Deadliest catch.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Inside the Mind of a Fraudster Who Outsmarted the System | David Srail

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Yeah. And let me tell you something. I grew up on boats. I love fishing. But A, it's way too cold. Yeah. It's bitter cold up there. And that is a rough job. Because... They treat you like shit if you're brand new going out on those boats. I was going to say, and you borrow money from those guys. You're done. Yeah. You get keelhauled if you do that. Tell me again about those antiques.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Inside the Mind of a Fraudster Who Outsmarted the System | David Srail

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But if you've noticed, if you know anything about Deadliest Catch, a lot of them get picked up for drugs and fraud and theft, but they can go there to make quick money.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Inside the Mind of a Fraudster Who Outsmarted the System | David Srail

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and get a job where I work. And I was like, well, what do you do? And he's like, well, it's a mortgage company. He's like, you'd be great selling mortgages. Like, man, I don't know anything about mortgage. He's like, listen, you start out as a temp. And then eventually if you do really well, they'll hire you on full time. I started as a temp. I make great money there.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Inside the Mind of a Fraudster Who Outsmarted the System | David Srail

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Yeah, I was hoping. You know what? I hope the guy hits for a million dollars and sends that guy David.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Inside the Mind of a Fraudster Who Outsmarted the System | David Srail

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I was telling Colby, it's sad because he's such a fun guy to hang out with. There's just some people. They have that magnetic personality.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Inside the Mind of a Fraudster Who Outsmarted the System | David Srail

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Yeah. It's like some guys I went to college with. They're a great to hang out with, but you wouldn't let your sister date him.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Inside the Mind of a Fraudster Who Outsmarted the System | David Srail

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He said, you'd be great selling mortgage. If you were a stockbroker, you could be a mortgage broker. He's like, then you'll be close to your buddies down there. Right. And so when I say down there, it's about 50, 60 miles south of where we're at. And I didn't have any other options at the time. And this guy was offering to let me live in his house on the beach. Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Inside the Mind of a Fraudster Who Outsmarted the System | David Srail

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Because of reasonable doubt. You'd rather let a guilty man walk free than lock up an innocent man.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Inside the Mind of a Fraudster Who Outsmarted the System | David Srail

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It's so scary. You could literally go and pick something up a hat that you might like. And then a person that's a victim buys that hat, takes it home. And with touch DNA now.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Inside the Mind of a Fraudster Who Outsmarted the System | David Srail

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So your DNA was found in this murder. And you're like, no, I just picked that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Inside the Mind of a Fraudster Who Outsmarted the System | David Srail

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There's just weird circumstantial things that just happen in life. And that gets very scary. There's a lot of people that have been locked up. that were innocent and now DNA is proving them innocent.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And at first I was like, is he all right? Right. He was a pretty cool dude. Yeah. So I eventually, I remember talking to Paul about it and he's like, yeah, the guy's straight. You know, why not just take, take them up on the offer. Can't hurt. So I interviewed, I got the job at ABN Amro and I was selling second loans and he locked home equity lines of credit. Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Inside the Mind of a Fraudster Who Outsmarted the System | David Srail

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It's a 1984 story. Do you think it's me?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Inside the Mind of a Fraudster Who Outsmarted the System | David Srail

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The con just came to him to keep a cup of acid. He's like, I can milk these people.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Inside the Mind of a Fraudster Who Outsmarted the System | David Srail

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Yeah. Well, here's my question on that, though. This guy, even if he was a lawyer, he's great at getting... Aren't we at the appeal process and that's a special?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Inside the Mind of a Fraudster Who Outsmarted the System | David Srail

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And they don't know shit.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Inside the Mind of a Fraudster Who Outsmarted the System | David Srail

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And they're full-time people do first mortgages every once in a while. It's a call center. I forgot to mention that. It's inbound calls. So all you're doing is taking calls all day long. Right. And so it's like if I made commission on it, I'd be making silly money. But they paid me $15 an hour, and I've got to prove to them that I'm good enough to work full time. Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Inside the Mind of a Fraudster Who Outsmarted the System | David Srail

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Sure. He said it had been two weeks. He'd never come back in. You know, it's funny. But he bolted. It's... Paul heard that after he left to go to spring training, Srell showed up at Rotama Racetrack, but he didn't want Noladuka around. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, he bolted.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Inside the Mind of a Fraudster Who Outsmarted the System | David Srail

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That's big money.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Inside the Mind of a Fraudster Who Outsmarted the System | David Srail

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So, and it was going great. And then like Dave would pay, we'd go out to dinner, he'd pay. I'm thinking this guy's rolling. He must be really doing well, but he works in the, he didn't, he didn't sell loans.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Inside the Mind of a Fraudster Who Outsmarted the System | David Srail

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Yeah. I had a friend, you know, my friend, Matt, he was bogus. The appraisals were bogus and he wanted me to pretend like he was his lawyer. And luckily I said no, because they were watching him and, Then he ducked the badge.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Inside the Mind of a Fraudster Who Outsmarted the System | David Srail

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But it's another guy that thinks he's smarter than he really is. And had he not run, he wouldn't even probably have gone to jail. But anyways, I don't want anybody to have pity on Dave Srael because I forgot to tell you, when we were going through his bedroom, we found some girly spank magazines.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Inside the Mind of a Fraudster Who Outsmarted the System | David Srail

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He had cut out pictures of my ex-fiance, because we all went out one night on the town, and put it in place of the pictures on the girls' bodies, and was hand-feeding it to my ex's picture. That's just weird. That's just wrong. I mean... But, I mean, who would go out of their way to do, like, what? That's just weird. Just, like, thinking about my ex?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Inside the Mind of a Fraudster Who Outsmarted the System | David Srail

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And you know what?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Inside the Mind of a Fraudster Who Outsmarted the System | David Srail

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Yeah. Because what's weird was when he was at work, he wore his hair really long and it looked goofy because if you trim him up, he presents himself, he's 6'4". Right. I mean, he was a big dude, you know. Was he wearing a mullet? He kind of had a dumb looking mullet. There's two pictures. You can see both his hairstyles.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Inside the Mind of a Fraudster Who Outsmarted the System | David Srail

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He would change it when he'd go someplace else that was probably the South Florida hairstyle. And I'm like,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Inside the Mind of a Fraudster Who Outsmarted the System | David Srail

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But, you know, and then when he got arrested, his hair was trimmed. He looked good. Girls liked him. But he would play the... Yeah, it's just Jen, man. I can't get her out of my head. Listen, I was like, oh...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Inside the Mind of a Fraudster Who Outsmarted the System | David Srail

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I mean, you just have no game. That's why I was wondering if he was maybe a little... He likes show tunes, Matt. Mentally, I wonder what's wrong with... But why is he cutting pictures out of my old girlfriend and putting them in place?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Inside the Mind of a Fraudster Who Outsmarted the System | David Srail

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All right. My mother's going to listen to this like, I can't believe he did that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Inside the Mind of a Fraudster Who Outsmarted the System | David Srail

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So that's my story of living with a con man for six months and seeing the whole thing unfold. And unfortunately... 30 days for a knife. He really ruined a couple families' lives. Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Inside the Mind of a Fraudster Who Outsmarted the System | David Srail

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And we later found out he did the same thing in Ohio for well over $100,000. And he just kept repeating the process wherever he went. And the government says, that's a civil matter. But if you steal from a bank, we're going to throw you in prison.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Inside the Mind of a Fraudster Who Outsmarted the System | David Srail

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Yeah, in the processing. Okay, he works in the processing department. And so... But he drove a nice convertible BMW... And his house was right on Arizona Street and Hollywood Beach. It was a little two-bedroom place. I mean, it needed some work, but it was a really cool place because you know what they say about real estate. The three most important things are location, location, and location.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Inside the Mind of a Fraudster Who Outsmarted the System | David Srail

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Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you might be right, but it just doesn't make sense. It's sad.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Inside the Mind of a Fraudster Who Outsmarted the System | David Srail

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He's going to make restitution payments. Keep them out of prison. Make them work to pay it off.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Inside the Mind of a Fraudster Who Outsmarted the System | David Srail

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Because that's what the people need is money. Don't send them to jail.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Inside the Mind of a Fraudster Who Outsmarted the System | David Srail

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But that's the whole thing. He was really a great handicapper. Such the fact that Thistle Downs hired him as their on-track handicapper. And he did the TV show. He showed me tapes of it. This wasn't him saying, I saw it with my own eyes. He did a TV show, Thistledown's a little track in Ohio, but Dave was really a good handicapper. And if he set his mind to it and he managed his money right,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Inside the Mind of a Fraudster Who Outsmarted the System | David Srail

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You know, they don't build these tracks on people winning. They build on people losing. But there are some guys that, you know, if you pick your spots, but Dave couldn't control himself. So, like when I told the story about him being at the High Life Fronton, he's betting Australia at 8 o'clock in the morning. That's what he was doing. Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Inside the Mind of a Fraudster Who Outsmarted the System | David Srail

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If you just kept his gambling just to the weekends, probably... Maybe he wouldn't have lost so much. But this guy's just got to have action. And I think that was his ultimate undoing. The sad thing was he lived in the straight and narrow probably four or five years. And it was that last year down here in Florida that it really got to him.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Inside the Mind of a Fraudster Who Outsmarted the System | David Srail

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I think, but, you know, gambling's such an issue, and especially if you're competitive, when you lose, you want to get back up and go right back at it. Right. And so you get, you're more engaged, more engaged. Is that you? Yeah, it must be the people showing up to fix the AC. You want to take it? Speaking of marriage, though.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Inside the Mind of a Fraudster Who Outsmarted the System | David Srail

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So if the ex-fiance is fake.

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and didn't have any chicks down there. So if the ex-fiance is fake and didn't go after any chicks, apparently he and Avelina dated very briefly. Was he afraid to bring a woman into his con?

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And this guy is 600 yards from the waves. Right. Right down on the beach. So it was a great location. So I'm living with my new friend working there and I end up doing really well. I was writing like 250 second loans or home lines of credit a month. Nice. But again, I'm getting calls and I've got a lot of them are LaSalle or Amy and Amaral customers. So their information comes up there.

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You're a better man than me. She would have been hogtied duct tape. I would have taken more than half of the money and said, here you go, honey. I'm out of here. Yeah, that's not. When you said you're a good man, you left her with a bunch of money. I tell you what.

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That's the type of woman that I would date thinking, oh, I feel bad for her. She's bipolar. And then next thing you know, I'm wondering, what am I doing?

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Dave Shirell, Dave Shirell, Dave Shirell, Liars Backward, Dave Shirell, Liars Backward dot com.

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And so I've just fill in the blanks. Some people you had to turn them away. They're, they got 5.25% and they want to read finance at five and you have to explain to them with closing. It just doesn't make sense with closing costs. So now in the end I was thinking, I don't think he wanted him to do well, but we'll get to that.

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I mean, I don't think he wanted me to do well and we'll get that figured out later on. I'll get you guys opinion on that. because he had scams that he was working on, but I didn't know it at the time. So at A.B. and Amro, everybody would go out in the smoker's alley. I didn't smoke, but I just had to take a break because my back, my hip, blah, blah, blah.

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And I'd see him talking to people, but everybody was Dave's friend at the office. This guy, everybody loved him. And I remember one night, I think it's May, I'm waiting for him at the quarterdeck to have dinner. I'm like, dude, where are you? Someone's car didn't start. He stayed down behind to help him. He was that dude at the office that helped the little old ladies.

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He'll stop by. He was that guy. I was like, this guy's unbelievable. I know nobody's perfect. He showed some of his other qualities that weren't great, but he's just a human being like the rest of us. So I remember he told me that a girl that he used to date, Avelina, he introduced her to Travis. Travis is a mortgage broker. Avelina works in the office near him. And they're good friends.

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And they work at ABN Amro there. And... I had mentioned something about watching the Kentucky Derby because that's my thing. I'm into horse racing. And Dave said, hey, at work, don't mention horse racing. At least don't include me. I'm like, why? He's like, eh, people have... You know, they think it's degenerate gambling, whatnot.

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He's like, so please don't say anything about me and horse racing and whatnot. He's like, just tell them to go antiquing. I'm like, there's no chance I'm going to tell anybody I'm going antiquing. But he's like, well, just keep my name out of it. I thought that was weird.

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Exactly. But Avelina would give Dave like 300 bucks and he'd go to the antique shows and bring her back 400. I would later find out that was what was going on. Right. So he's building up trust with the people at work like, hey, I'm hitting this antique show. If you guys want to invest, and he paid them all back and then some. They made a nice little score with him.

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So he's building credit with all these people at work. Now, I don't know this. I just think it's Travis and Avelina. But I just remember he was really upset when I said, it's Kentucky Derby, because that same week's my birthday. That's like my favorite week of the year. And so I just remembered, wow, that's the first time I saw him kind of get mad at me. I was like... I was like, all right, bro.

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I'm not going to tell him I'm going antiquing.

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I'm doing well. I'm progressing there. I remember one day he had a Friday off and my car wouldn't start. And he said he was going antiquing. Right. I was like, all right, knock yourself out. I'll see you later. We'll meet at the bar. You know, something like that. And I called my uncle and he's like, I'll come down, jump you. And he's got to drive like 45 miles. He's the only person I could find.

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One of the lifeguard friends of ours that we play poker with at night says, hey, I'll give you a jump start. So I called my uncle back and said, hold off. He said, I'm still going to meet you. Meet me at Pep Boys. We've got to get you a new battery. The weather turns hot, batteries go bad. So... It's turn off, jump start. But when I turn the car off, wouldn't restart, needs a new battery.

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Inside the Mind of a Fraudster Who Outsmarted the System | David Srail

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I drive, meet my uncle. I come back. And in Florida, in the East Coast, you have intercoastal waterways. You've got to go over the bridge to get back because we live, you know, the ocean side of the intercoastal. And I remember driving by Dania Highlight because that was just the way back to the house. And I saw Dave's car sitting there at like 11 o'clock in the morning. Okay.

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I thought, that's weird. Maybe his antiquing got done early.

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He was trying to tell me he was antiquing. I'm thinking he's going to the racetrack. I don't care. Right. My problem there was I caught him in a lie. Right. You don't need to lie to me. Tell me. Yeah, dude, I'm betting Royal Ascot. It's showing it. Yeah. Great. There's no reason to lie to me.

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And I just thought that was funny that he's trying to sell one over on me on a Friday that he didn't have to go to work. And you're living with him. Yeah, and I'm living with him. And I just thought that was really odd because he finally came up with the story, oh no, I did go antique, you know, because what he would say he would do His brother, Ken Srael, has an antique and stamp company.

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And I've talked to several bank robbers. I wrote a story about a guy, about a bank robber. And he said the same thing they all say. He said, but the problem is you've got a lot of these guys who are like, I'm going to pull my gun. I'm going to shoot at them. It's like they're superheroes. They think they're superheroes.

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And then he ends up going to, like, I think he and his wife end up getting into some kind of an argument or something, and he goes to Vegas, right? parties in Vegas for a while. He basically, I wanna say it's months later, it's a few months later, but basically the FBI show up. They interview everybody.

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Oh, so while he's in the title company and the cops arrive, keep in mind what the description that the guard gives them. So the guard and the bank employees and everybody, is giving the description, it's a guy, he's wearing a blue shirt, you know, long sleeve shirt, he's got blue jeans on, he's got a mask on, he's holding one of those sweeper things and they're everywhere. There's 20 of them.

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They start arresting and handcuffing and zip tying all these guys. Really? Standing around. They're all like, what the, you know, boom, they're getting, get on the ground. They zip tie them, they get their information. Most of these people don't even know that the robbery occurred. There was no gun, no car, no car squealed out of the parking lot.

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He ran up, shot the guy with the fucking mace, boom, grabbed the thing and ran. They weren't expecting it. Yeah, so if you're 150 feet away or even 50 feet away and your back's turned, you don't notice that any of this happened. Mm-hmm. So these people are just being suddenly attacked by the police and screaming to get down the ground. They're in handcuffs. So they're questioned. They're let go.

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I think they brought a few people downtown, guys that were close to his size. Like if you're an overweight, short woman. They're not bringing you downtown. It's clearly a guy that robbed the place. But some of the guys get brought downtown. They get questioned. They figured out it was a ruse. Yeah, they realize right away this is ridiculous. This is the Thomas Crown Affair.

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This is exactly what this is. And Anthony goes to Vegas. He parties. He has a good time. Months go by. They question everybody. They question everybody in the area. They've got tips coming in. And the cops – but the cops are casing the area. They're canvassing the area. They can't find anybody. The FBI can't find anybody. So months go by, and the FBI goes, you know what? Let's –

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Let's start over again. Like something's wrong here. Like something – we got to be able to figure this out. So they start over again, and they just happen to come across – because keep in mind when the FBI comes in, like they'll put like two officers on it. And then they ask the local cops to help, like go through all the tips and this and that.

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Well, what happens is after a couple months, the tips stop. So these guys go back and say – the FBI says, let's go through all the tips again because they didn't read all of them. So they go back and they read – One tip, which was from a guy who worked on a road crew.

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Right, the worst. Where there's other guys who are just like, man, I ain't getting shot for 11 bucks an hour. Take it. Right. Yeah.

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And the guy on the road crew had called the police and said, listen, there's a homeless guy that came up to me and told me he knew who robbed the bank. He needed to talk to the police. He didn't quite understand that he wasn't the police or something. He's like, okay, well, what are you telling me? I'm just telling you, I know who did it. I got evidence. I got this.

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He's like, man, get out of here. But then he thought about it and said, I'm going to call this in. He called it in and said, look, this is a homeless guy that's in the area. So the FBI looked at it and said, you know, let's talk to this guy. So they talked to the guy. They called the road crew guy. The road crew guy goes –

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All I can tell you is he was an older white guy with a beard, long hair, straggly, and he had a little dog with him. I've seen him around. So the two FBI agents go get a bunch of McDonald's hamburgers, and they go down to where – in that same area where the homeless people hang out.

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They start passing out hamburgers, and they say, look, we're looking for a guy with long hair, white guy, older, beard, and a little dog. After a couple of people, they go, oh, that's Leroy. Mm-hmm. Yeah, Leroy stays in a bus out in the woods off of this street. Wow. They go to that street, and as they park their car in the woods, they're walking through towards the bus.

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Especially when they tell you to give them the money. So he's talking to his buddy and his buddy's telling him, look, we deliver it this time and this time, this time. So his buddy tells him about one route where the guy, they're always get this one place. It's got a lot of money. It's in a nice area. They always get like $100,000 like on this day. It's great. You run up. It's one bag.

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Leroy comes out of the bus with his little dog and says... I've been waiting for months for you guys to show up. And they're like, you know, hey. And he goes, yeah, this about that bank robbery? And they go, yeah. And he goes, yeah, I got the guy's license plate. What happened was when Anthony was casing the place, right?

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When he was watching the bank and watching the armored truck come in and the whole thing for those weeks... Leroy was in the alleyway with his dog. Anthony even saw him. I remember seeing him, but he's just some old homeless guy. He wasn't paying attention to me, but he was paying attention to him. And Anthony would take off his mask

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take all of his stuff, his yellow vest, roll it up and stick it into the bushes and leave it there. So the old guy had seen him hide his stuff once or twice, went over and unraveled the whole thing and looked at it and thought, this is weird. He's got a yellow thing. He's got this stuff. He's got like, why is he keeping it here? But he rolled it up and put it back. And he said, you know what?

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If I see this guy again, I'm going to take his tag number down. So he said, sure enough, he'd seen him like two or three times. A couple of days later, Anthony showed up again, put the stuff on. The old man was watching. The old man wrote down the tag number and it was Emily's car. So the cops go, okay, they look up Emily's car. They go, okay, well, that's a woman.

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But this woman is on the title to a house with a man. They look up Anthony Curcio. Sure enough, Anthony Curcio is like six foot one, athletic, the right age. So they start following Anthony. Because one of the other things I didn't mention was the only piece of evidence they had – they have no evidence, but they do have the mask. And they do have DNA from the mask.

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What's that? Who was that? Was that Gerald Blanchard? Have you ever heard that name? Gerald Blanchard? No. He was in Wired Magazine. When I was locked up, I read an article about him, and he was breaking into ATMs. Was he Canadian? Yeah. Yeah. How old was he? He was in his late twenties, early thirties. And this was probably 10 years, about 15, 15 years ago.

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Gerald Blanchard. Yeah.

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No, this was actually ATMs. He was finding banks that were being – banks were being built. Remodeled, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then just before – and I guess apparently your ATM machines are on the inside, right? You have doors. You can't leave them outside. So he would wait until like the banks were going to – it's a new bank. It's going to be opened on Tuesday.

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He would break in before that, get the – he'd get the – the serial number of the ATM machine. He would contact the manufacturer and say that he was with the bank and they'd lost their key and he'd order another key. Really? So now he's got the key to the back of the, of the, of the, Of the ATM. And he said, you know, they'll have four or six of these fucking things in a row. Yeah. Well, yeah.

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Three. And so he said what would happen is he would break in the night before. Well, whatever. Weeks before, really. He would block off the sensors like, you know, the motion detectors on the inside of the blank. Because they still work. You just block off. So he could drop down into the bank. Yeah. Yeah. And then he would go.

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And so the night before they would load the machines, he would go unlock the doors, pull out all the, all the money, go back up inside and then go back out. And he said, you know, if like the, uh, if the alarm got set off or something, which I think almost never happened, he said, you know, the cops show up, they'll look in there. It's still secure. Yeah.

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They look around, you drive around, they'll sit outside for 30, 45 minutes. Yep. Yep. So, um, Yeah.

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Right. Well, how did you get onto this? What you were telling? I'm sorry. I kind of, yeah.

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But they ran the DNA against everything they had, and they couldn't match it. So the only piece of equipment – or only piece of evidence they have is the mask. So they watch Anthony. They watch Anthony for – whatever, weeks and weeks. And at some point, I think Anthony was dipping or something and had thrown his dip away or was it a can of soda?

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Get it, wrap the chain around it.

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Is this a private one or a bank?

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What's that? Sorry. How'd you get into it? Like, did you pry it open?

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One device or anything?

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Yeah. You're not collecting ATM.

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So what, so, so the next step is you're figuring.

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Whatever it was, they go and they get a copy of his DNA and sure enough, it's a perfect match.

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There are guys out there. There's other guys doing it. The Blanchard guy. Like I said, he actually had fucking figured out the key. You know, he's got different keys.

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So what's the most you ever got out of one of these things?

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Now they come in and they arrest him. When they arrest him, they start adding up all of the, like, here's some cell phones. Here's this. He's trying to tell them that's not true. This is what happened. Boom, boom, boom. But the truth is, is that they've got, as they unraveled the whole thing and saw who he hung out with and who he talks to before and after, they'd ended up getting a warrant.

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Yeah. So you're doing this periodically. I mean, how are you guys hitting them like every week, every.

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She have any idea of what's happening? Or you just come home every once in a while with a nice thick... Yeah, she knew.

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And I think they ended up talking to one of the guys that... worked at the Brinks place that he did know somehow, and they talked to him. One of those guys had rolled over on him. So now he's got one guy, but this was after they got him. Like, had he not dropped the mask, it would have been the perfect crime. Yep. But now he's got a guy that's rolled over on him. They had no evidence.

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You know, it's like one or two, like one bag. You run out and the guy walks right in. Like all you gotta do is grab the bag and run. Anthony also doesn't want to use a gun.

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I don't typically commit crime, but when I do, it's bank fraud. Stay greedy, my friends.

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So what happened? I mean, ultimately, I mean, you got caught. Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, they have no evidence. So now they've got a guy that rolled over on him. And they've got—they end up finding some of the money, and they've got the DNA.

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I think the guy gave him. The other guy that said, hey, okay, this is what happened, and I can tell you where I think he's put some of the money. Like, he was in a safe somewhere, and they found— No shit. Went and found some of the money. I forget exactly. I'm a little iffy on that, but— He ends up getting arrested, and he pleads guilty.

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Okay. So nobody can see you back there.

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Keep in mind, there was no gun, so he didn't get a lot of time. I think he got like four or five years.

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And you do how much time on three and a half?

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Yeah. It's similar here. Like, well, not the two thirds, but here you have to do 85% of your time. And then when you get released, they, they call it supervised release. Yeah. And you get, you know, like I got, I got five years supervised release. So everybody's like, Oh, you got out of prison. You're done. No, no, you're not.

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You know, Boziak? Yeah, I know he is. He's never successfully completed a probation ever. He's been on it four, five, six times.

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I'm going to go with fraud. Bro, I'm going to send you the Wired article on him. Yeah. I'm telling you, your story is almost like a combination of his story and Boziak's story. Like with you and being a kid in and out of the facilities, in and out, in and out. And yours with the ATMs and everything. Yep. Same kind of stuff. I mean, I'm sure there's tons of stuff. Where was he in Canada?

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But they're not – like the ATM guys and the messenger and driver, they're not going out at the same time, right? They're on two different routes, right?

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Do you know? Oh, I mean, Canada –

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I just hit the – here's the Wired app article. Yeah. Listen, he's got a great story. So let me think. Shit, I can't. You got to look it up. I don't know exactly where he was, but I'm telling you, I'm going to send it to you right now.

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He's like, I didn't want to use a gun. You can get in a lot more trouble if you use a gun.

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The only thing is, you know what he did? He actually was in – I want to say Vienna. Hold on. I'll tell you right now. He was in – where was he? Oh, man. I wish I had thought about this better. I want to say – I'm going to say Vienna. Oh, yeah. I'm sorry? Your connection is going a little weird. Oh, sorry. I think he was in Venice or something. Not Venice. Vienna. Anyway.

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I'll know for sure. But what he did was he actually, you know, you know how a lot of in Europe, they'll take old castles and turn them into museums.

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No, it's okay. Oh, there we go. Yeah. You know how in, in Europe they'll, they'll take old castles and turn them into, turn them into museums. Yep. He'd gone through a museum and realize that like it had really bad security and And so he ends up getting someone to drop him at night, and he parachutes down, skydives down, and lands on the roof. Nice.

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And he goes in the second story window, and he stills what's called the cis diamond. Okay. And it's a diamond. It's a massive diamond surrounded by other diamonds. Yep. Never does anything with it. Just keeps it. Keeps it. Because he could have broken apart and sold it. Sold it. Yep. He just wanted to see if he could do it. He didn't have the money.

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Okay. Okay. and once you get the money, you go back to like a warehouse, like a secured warehouse and unload the money and they count the money and, um, there's a whole separate crew that, uh, counts all the money.

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Ultimately, when he gets caught in Canada, when he gets caught, he uses that to bargain his way out of getting caught. You could do that in Canada.

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The fuck are we funding you for? Exactly. I read about another Canadian that was making us money. Do you ever hear about that guy? He was counterfeiting U.S. money. I've heard of a few counterfeiters. I think he might have been in GQ. And I read about him. There's a video on YouTube about him. It's a short little video. I think that's the kid from fucking Windsor, I believe.

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It was just a young kid. No, he was old, short, fat. Trust me, he was a tubby little guy.

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Well, this guy, when he got caught, he got caught and he was going to get a whole bunch of time. And the big thing they held over him was they were going to like he was like he was thinking, OK, big deal. I'll get a year or two in Canada. I was making U.S. currency. And they said, we're going to extradite you to the U.S. So he turns around, he goes to the Canadians.

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know to the crown and said listen i'll tell you where where the press is where the paper is where he had like several million dollars already made i'll give you several million but you cannot send me to the united states yeah because he knew they were going to give him 10 or 15 years okay yeah that's that our justice systems are totally different right

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I mean, you go in there and you what? You flash your badge and say, hey, because they've called you to come pick up money. Right. So they're expecting you.

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From 6 a.m.? Yes. Until 9 at night?

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Absolutely. Plus, there's a good chance that now you're in a shootout. People are going to shoot at you if you don't have a gun.

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So you started as a messenger, right?

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I don't typically commit crimes, but when I do, it's bank fraud. Stay greedy, my friends.

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Okay. And so when did you, I thought you said you had become a messenger or then you went to a. Yeah, there was a, I'll call it an incident at Wells Fargo.

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Did I mean, did you ever hear about, you know, money just showing up missing or.

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And do you get more than 40 hours a week?

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I was going to say, cause the, the guy that I had talked to was, uh, that I wrote the story about, like he was telling me about money just showing up, you know, missing like guys would, they would scan the bags as they come in. Like, you know, they give them, give you the, the, you pick up the deposits. And you scan the bag. He's like, you have a scanner. You have a little device. You scan it in.

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And he said, then at the end of the day, you come back and you give them, you scan, like, here's what I've got. They then scan them in. He said, and every once in a while, somebody would show up and there'd be one missing.

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So what happened? I mean, you don't work there anymore. Right.

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So probably, I don't know if they still do this. There used to be a business opportunity scam where you could buy ATM machines.

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I don't know. There was one where you could basically buy them and you could go put them in convenience stores and different places and load them and you charge whatever, $3.50 for every transaction or whatever it was.

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I don't know. I don't know. This was a, it was a business. I knew a guy that was selling the machines, like they would sell the machines and they load them with their own cash. And then they. tie them into, you know, whatever, however many banks or whatever.

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And then, you know, you go there and you punch in your PIN number and you get the cash and then they take the cash from your, your bank account and they charge you a fee. So, um, but they were tiny little machines. They're little, they weren't big, massive ATM machines that were, that were, you know, in, in a wall or something. These were a little tiny machine.

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The cryptocurrency ones, like, I can't imagine, like, are those ones that are owned by Bank of America or, you know, Like, what are they? I've never even heard of those.

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So I have a question because, like I said, the only reason I know this is, like, has money come up missing before? Does it just come up missing sometimes?

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I could hear the sirens of the police and he goes, what's that? Do you hear that?

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So once again, he really just, it's as far as just being athletic. And he was a football star. Like he can grab something and run and you're not catching him. Guy's six foot one, he's lean, he's in good shape. So he stakes out, one, his buddies told him what the routes are. Two, he stakes out a Bank of America which was one of the largest companies to get a bailout, by the way.

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Sweep it up. Sweep it all up. The guy, Jamal, that I did the story on, he told me that one time a guy came and turned in the bags. The messenger came in. Here's the bags. He said he scanned them all in. And the manifest or whatever, he's like, okay, you're missing a bag. You're missing like 60 grand. And he said, and the guy had been there like three years. And he was like, No. He goes, yeah.

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I don't typically commit crime, but when I do, it's bank fraud. Stay greedy, my friends.

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Yeah. And they'd be recording you anyway, if you were trying to talk to them on jail phone, you wouldn't be a good idea to say, Hey, I swiped 10 grand.

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He said, yeah, look. Shows him and he goes, huh. So he goes back and he goes, let me check the truck. Goes back in, checks the truck. Comes back. He goes, it's not in the truck. He goes, are you sure? He goes, I'm just telling you. Says you're supposed to have eight bags. You got seven. And he's like, oh, wow. And he said, okay. He goes... So he makes a note.

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He said, I'll just still figure it out later. I don't know. He made a note, turned it in, explained the whole thing. Guy went home. Guy came back the next day. They talked to him. He's like, no, I mean, yeah. They called the branch. They were like, you picked it up. He's like, well, it should be here. It just acted like, I don't know. And he ended up not getting fired. They didn't fire him.

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That other guy was unreasonable. We had a reasonable victim. Well, you know, you're just willing to, you know, that guy probably owned the store.

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They were like, it's just – I don't know what happened. They kept him on. He just locked – I want to say it was $60,000, but it may have been $30,000. I know there was two different events. Then he said – they literally kept him on. He was listening. He was about two weeks later. He shows up on a brand-new $12,000 motorcycle. And I was like, I was like, no, I swear he is.

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You're getting it. So you're getting a gun. She's getting a gun, robbing a store. You're driving the getaway car. She sells the gun or trades it for drugs. And then a couple of days later, you guys need money. She grabs another gun.

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So are all the robberies going better than the first robbery?

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So now she's got it.

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And when I, he was, I remember looking at him going, nice bike. And he goes, yeah, you like that? And just kept on walking like, yeah. And he's like, like, I just took them for this. They didn't, nothing happened to him. Now, another time there was, he said there was a woman, same basic thing, but she had pulled up. And so when they checked the, when she showed up, same thing, I'm missing money.

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You're also on this pattern. You're on this train at this point. Getting off the train doesn't change much. It's like you're robbing the bank. Being the getaway driver in the eyes of the law, you might as well be going in with the gun.

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Well, did I miss something? Like Simon went into the store. She went to go go into the store.

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They were like, that's weird. They went back and checked the surveillance, and she had stopped the vehicle, got out, went to her car, and came back. And they were like, no, something's wrong. So they actually called the police, went to her car, and found the money. She was fired. And he goes, but the thing is, he's like, they recovered the money. He goes, they just fired her.

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Oh, he turned around and came back and you didn't see him come back?

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So he whipped around, stopped his car, said, give me your ID. And she just took off.

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Yeah, you're right.

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They didn't press charges or anything.

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He goes inside, calls the police.

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So the police have your car. They know it's your car. They've tracked the registry. Did they get to your go to your ex-husbands? Yes, they contacted.

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So they go to her house, talk to her. Parents, I'm sure. I mean, was this on the news? It was on the news.

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Wow. I mean – Yeah. Well, so, I mean, I know – I think obviously what they want to do is they want the public to feel like, hey, this is a super secure industry. We dot all our I's. We cross all our T's. It's super secure. Everybody's paid well. Everybody's trained. They're all professional. But the truth is that's not what's really happening.

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So he stakes out the Bank of America. He goes and he parks in an alleyway. He puts on a mask, one of these little masks, right? He would grab, he said, he had to figure out how could he just kind of hang out? How could I hang out and watch this place without raising suspicion? So what he did was he got one of those little Cadillac, well, we called them in prison Cadillacs, right?

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He was saying, the guy I had interviewed, he was like, they tell you, like, give up the money. Like, if you're in a crowded place, give up the money. Like, we don't want pedestrians shot. We don't get into a gunfight. If somebody shows up, pulls a gun, you're in a crowded place, give up the money immediately. Do what they say. You got a better chance of survival, blah, blah, blah, blah.

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Okay, so, I mean, what happened? You're working there, and you're working overtime. You're not making great pay. You're married. Is your wife work?

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Oh, Chambers, Chambers.

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John Chambers? Or what was his first name? Oh, hell. Chambers, something Chambers. Something Chambers. Yeah, I actually just watched earlier. I can picture him. He was like a, thought he was like a mob guy or something, but he was actually just a small-time kind of petty crook. He'd been in prison before too, right? Didn't he get in trouble? I don't know.

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Yeah, he... Well, I know that what they said was he had actually... He'd actually had problems with the law before and I believe they said he had had a federal case before. I don't know if he did prison time, but he definitely had like a federal case. I don't know.

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You know what's funny is that just talking to you. Like I would meet guys in prison and they would, some guys would come to me and say, Hey, this guy's got an amazing story. You have to hear a story. And then we'd go and we'd sit down and talk and I'd take notes and just to see if it was worth writing a story. And they didn't know a ton of stuff about their case. They never looked into it.

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They got sentenced. They knew they got five years. I got to do five years. And then they just kicked back and they walked the track. They joined a softball game. Maybe they learned to play an instrument. They read books. They're like, I'm just going to whittle away this time. And they never looked into it. Some guys didn't look into it because they were just like, I can't believe I'm here.

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I don't want to think about it. And other guys, I just don't think that they realized they could look into it. And so I would interview these guys, and if I decided to write their story, I would order the Freedom of Information Act on them. I'd get their case file. I'd get all the notes and the interviews, and I would be able to come to them and say, here's what happened.

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The sweeper thing, you have a little sweeper and you have a little bucket that you sweep into. Yeah, I understand what you're talking about. Well, I'm just saying that people, like, I don't know. Do they really call them Cadillacs?

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Remember you said this, and you didn't know why that was? Here's what happened. And then I'd tell them what the FBI file said. This person got arrested. He cooperated. He told this guy. They contacted the FBI, and that's why they were waiting for you. Yeah. So you not knowing isn't – I'm not laughing at you. I'm just – it's like I'm amazed because I'm so super inquisitive about everything.

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I would have just like – I would have been – that whole five years or however much time you did, I would have been looking into it the whole time.

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Yeah, that this was an option. This was, you know. Because for most people, it's, which always kills me, is like as desperate as they get. And I get the desperation because I've been, I mean, I'm kind of like in this, I mention this to my wife all the time. I'm like, listen, like, We're a bad car accident or a medical issue where if anything goes wrong, we go down like the Titanic.

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Maybe we can go for a month or two, but that's it. And that worries me. And so I get exactly what you're saying. But what most people don't think is, hey, I can do this. Most people don't think I can commit a crime. And correct this issue. And I think obviously that's what separates people, obviously criminals from – or people that have criminal intent.

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I think anybody will commit a crime in the right situation. But to me, one of my first – my first thought is fraud. Fraud. here's how I'll fix it fraud, you know, and then I have to, now I realize it's probably what you probably do is work a little harder, you know, cut back a little bit more, but you, but Kelly came to you. Yeah.

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In prison, they used to call it, give me a Cadillac. Oh, okay. That's a prison thing. It's got to be. So you have one of the little buckets and you sweep the garbage into it. So he got one of those and he got a little face mask so nobody could recognize him. And he said, I put on a long sleeve shirt. So I looked like I was somebody who went around sweeping up the place.

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Okay, so here's the... My next question is, but you didn't think to yourself, yeah, we could set up a robbery or a bag could go missing. We could get a couple hundred thousand. You thought... I can empty out the entire vault of $17 million and walk away clean. That's a huge leap. Well, here's my thought.

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And very realistic. Extremely realistic.

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He said, so he would park in an alleyway and then he'd walk over to the Bank of America and he'd watch it when the... armored truck showed up and he said, I'd watch it and then I'd make a notation, get in my car, come back like two days later, wait around 30 minutes and then the thing would show up and I'd mark the time. He did this for about two weeks. Figured out, he's like, wow, you know what?

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Yeah, De Niro and Pacino. That's a great mask. I want to watch that movie again. Okay, so how long does it take before you decide, you know what, this is... I mean, clearly your wife's not going to be okay with it.

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Were you thinking about changing your identity or how are you going to get out of the country? Is any of that a concern?

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Well, I mean, for one thing, just leaving your home is gutsy. I mean, people don't realize that. You have to walk away from everything, every comfort, everything that makes you feel comfortable, you have to leave. Most people don't leave. 95% of the country never leaves the United States. Half those ever leave even the state that they live in.

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You're picking up, leaving, not calling, not coming back, not just walking away from everything. That alone, even if you weren't already wanted.

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And that's already gutsy. So my other question is, did you think that there was going to be heat on you? Did you think that the media would get – were you thinking this will be in the news? Or did you think, oh, there will be an article and that will be it?

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There had been a, a Loomis Fargo had been robbed like a year or two earlier of like 18 million. Did you know about that? Yeah, it was big news.

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My buddy said this is the route and he's right. He's usually within 10 or 15 minutes of the correct time. So he thought, okay, so I know I can run up there and grab that bag when the armored truck car driver gets out of the back. Not the driver, sorry, the guy in the back. When he gets out of the back with the bag, I know I can get that bag from that guy.

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Yeah.

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Right. Yeah. His was like 18. I want to say, cause I remember thinking that was, it was roughly about a million more and I was thinking yours was 17. It was 17.5, but I was thinking 17. I think they said 18. So I remember thinking it was about a million. It was roughly a million. Um, so, uh, okay. So, so, uh, what about Kelly?

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Like why, like everything I saw, they said you and Kelly were close that you, you, you know, you guys hung out together. Um,

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Okay, so when she came to you, you just trusted her, you were friends. But she wasn't there anymore, though, right?

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This is like almost 30 years ago? Close to it, yeah. The $5 million 30 years ago. Yeah.

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You could have gotten it. I mean, they would have issued you a citizenship and a passport probably with just – Yeah. Like, I mean, they've got St. Kitts right now. I think if you buy a – you just buy a piece of property for like $350,000, they'll give you a passport. They'll make you an economic – they have economic citizen.

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Um, so, so what happened? So that day you, you just decide, Hey, I'm going to grab, you're going to be, you guys are going to be waiting. I'll let you know when I, I mean, you grab the money and what happened? So I picked October the 4th.

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He decided, all I have to do is decapacitate him. Incapacitate him. Decapacitate him. That's not even a word. Incapacitate him.

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Yeah, I was going to say the FBI, when they interviewed your friends, your wife, friends from the military, every single one of them, your wife too, she was like, no, nothing. Nothing. nothing has changed. Like he is, he is, you know, on a schedule. He's always the same behavior. Like you didn't very, like even made it like a doctor's appointment or a dentist appointment or something.

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You would even made like an appointment for like the week or two prior to that. Like, like you were going to be there, like everything, like there's nothing that says this guy should not have come home that day. And yeah, went to the grocery store, did this, did that, whatever, walked the dog, took the garbage, didn't argue, there was no fight, there was nothing.

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Everything was the same and all of your buddies were like, this is absolutely 100% uncharacteristic of this guy. This is a guy that follows the rules. This is a hard worker. This guy's conscientious. This is... They said if there was anything – I remember one of the guys had said that if there was anything abnormal about you at all, they said he's kind of a loner. That was it.

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That's like the worst thing they could say about you. He is kind of a loner, which I guess is to say he is the kind of guy that he's not afraid to be alone or walk away. A lot of guys have to be social. Yeah.

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Yeah, that's... So this was just totally out of character for you.

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Yeah. That's a cartoon. But then could you imagine now the guy's in the net with them holding the bag. Now you got to try to get the bag right. So what he decides is...

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It's funny. My dad and I actually say the same thing is that being on time is being 15 minutes early.

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But you were only like 10 minutes late. So you went into work and the trucks come in. You count the money. You check it in. What were you doing that day just checking it in?

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bear mace apparently there's a mace called bear mace oh yeah and he said so I figured it comes in a giant can oh I didn't know that so he said it shoots a long stream 20 feet or so so he said I figured I'll take it get a bear mace can and I'll run up and I'll shoot the guy with the bear mace and I'll grab the thing and run He said, he's going to hit the ground. He said, the fuck, it's horrible.

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So then this is after every truck's already come in, dropped off the money, and gone.

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That's, I was going to say they, they showed the footage of that one where they're like, I guess when the, when eventually you leave and they call in saying something's wrong, you know, when they show back up the next day or later that, you know, I think it was the next day they show up the next day and

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And they start, people start calling in, you know, your wife's calling in, people are calling in, they say, you know, he didn't show up. And everything's open.

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So they're like, it's completely wide open. When the FBI or the detectives come, and the FBI, they find that tape. And I guess they had to wait for a manager or somebody to come and open the back to find the tape. But when they find it, the manager, or I don't know what he was, I'll say the manager of the place, when he saw that it was you, because they assumed you'd been kidnapped. Yeah.

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Somebody had taken the money, kidnapped you. They were concerned that you were hurt because he certainly had nothing to do with it. And so when they saw you, they said, like, the manager, you've got to watch it. The manager is like, oh, my God. He's like, that's David Gantz. That's David. That's like they were like he kept the FBI officers like that.

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He decides he's going to rob a bank, but he doesn't want to go into the bank. He's like, you know, you have to tell a lot of these places, you know, going in, it's a major problem. It's one way in, one way out. You can't see around you. Like, it's fucked up. He's like, it's easier if you rob the armored truck. So he decides he's going to start.

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He said, you even get it on your skin. It'll, it'll, it burns the hell out of you. I hit him right in the face with it. Oh yeah. He shot him in the face. They won't be able to see anything. Right.

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He kept saying it over and over like, oh, my God. Like he was absolutely in shock.

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that he was watching you load the vehicle.

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Right. Yeah, that slowed them down a lot. Slowed them down also when they eventually found the truck.

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Stay greedy, my friends. Support the channel. Join Matthew Cox's Patreon. So what happened when you left there? Where did you go when you left with the truck?

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So he, he, once again, he's watching the place. He knows when they're, the guy's going to show up with the money. He's assuming it's going to be around a hundred thousand because his buddy said it's always around a hundred thousand. And so, but here's the problem. Once again, the problem is it's funny because he and I very much, um, you know, kind of looked at our crimes the same.

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And back then you didn't need a passport, right? Didn't need a passport. So you're out of the country before they even know the place has been robbed.

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So what was the they were supposed to get you? 5 million? 5 million? Yes. Okay. And how much did you leave with?

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Okay. So when did you first see that it was on the news?

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Yeah, they had an issue moving all, there was such a bulk, because most of the money was in 20s, right? Yeah. So it was so, there was so much mass to it that they couldn't move it all.

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And they left like three and a half million in the, in the, what kills me is that they didn't come back for it.

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Like they just left it.

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Right. Exactly. Why wouldn't you, I mean, go remove the money, dump the money that you've got, come back. No one even knows it's gone yet.

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Yeah. Well, they weren't the brightest. No, they weren't.

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Well, you know, I mean, so do you know what the issues were once you were in Mexico? Do you know what the issue, why, you know, why they got onto them so quickly? You were saying you've never really watched any of this stuff.

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Like I started figuring out what are my issues? How do I solve these problems? Sure. And so you end up solving, like this solves this, this solves this, this solves this. The next thing you know, you think, oh great, all you're trying to do is solve the crime. Not realizing when you look at it from another perspective, from other people's, from you and I's perspective, it turns out brilliant.

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Yeah. His wife was telling her. So they actually moved from the small town where they were in. They moved to not far from where the Loomis building, where you'd rob the Loomis building. And, you know... And it was already a little town, but it happened to have this really nice gated community. And they bought that house there with cash.

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And when I say with cash, I don't mean like, you know, typically people will say, oh, I paid it cash, paid for it cash. Doesn't mean you paid for it in one lump sum with a check. It's literally this guy paid in cash. So that raised huge red flags. Oh, yeah, it would. His wife, what was his name again? Oh, Chambers. Chambers.

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Chambers' wife – shoot, I thought you were going to know all these or I would have written a list down. So his wife starts trying to launder the money and literally walks into a bank, opens up a bag of cash, and says, how much of this can I deposit before I have to fill out the paperwork for the government? Yeah. And the woman says, like, you know, well, up to $10,000. She goes, okay.

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She goes, listen, it's not drug money.

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everything that you could have said that is going to get a suspicious activity report filed on you you've just said drug money how much what's the what's the maximum limit that nobody won't be reported I mean everything that right then it's like this is so overly suspicious and of course they immediately fill out a report and not just that but people start calling friends of their start calling saying or you know friends starts calling saying listen

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Loomis was robbed, and these two knuckleheads were living in a double-wide. They just bought a multimillion-dollar mansion in this small town with cash.

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They're driving expensive vehicles, and the guy's a knucklehead, and somehow or another, he's come up with all this cash.

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So immediately, the FBI get onto them. Oh, yeah. Very quickly. And it's no surprise to me. Right. And then they watched them for a while, and— And it became so overwhelming that something was wrong. They convinced a federal judge to allow them to start listening to their phone calls. And then they had watched long.

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Like to me, my crime, I was just trying to solve some problems. Other people look at it and they go fucking brilliant. Same thing with him, bro. So there was a movie called the Thomas crown affair. So Anthony had seen the movie and he thought that's a perfect way. Like, here's the problem running up and getting the bag. Anybody can do that. It's getting away. That's the problem.

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The FBI officer said, look, we listened long enough that the search warrant is only good for so long. Yeah. That it was about to expire. Yeah. Whether they got a 30-day or 60, I don't know. But it was just about to expire when Kelly received a page or a phone call from you. And you had scheduled a time. And one, you needed more money. So they were trying to arrange to send you more money.

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And two, they had arranged a time for you to call a payphone. But she wasn't there. She missed the appointment or something because, you know, I guess she had better things to do than try and maintain the robbery, which is a big problem for criminals. Once they get the money, they forget about maintenance. So... But I guess they said the FBI was waiting. They had a tap on the phone. You called.

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She wasn't there. One of the FBI officers walks over because they needed to hear you. Walked over, grabbed the phone. And listen and said, hey, hello. And then you said something on the phone where they heard your voice. And then they were like, you know, I forget. I think he said, like, you said something. You had a little brief exchange and they hung up the phone, but they were like, that's him.

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Like, we've got him. But you hung up so fast they couldn't get a trace.

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Yeah, I was going to say, like now they'd know where you were immediately. But back then, yeah. Back then it took them... They had time to trace it, especially out of the country.

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So what were you thinking when you're in Cancun? You're in Cancun. You're hanging out. How long has it been? And what are you waiting for? Are you waiting for them to figure out how to bring you your money or Yeah. What's going through your head?

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Like running up and getting anybody can go up to the, to the teller and point a gun at them and say, give me the money. And they're going to get some money. It's getting out of the bank, getting in your car, getting away. That's an issue. Well, first of all, you're in a car.

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Easy peasy. Stick it in a car. They're not stopping cars going into Mexico. You just drive down here.

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So, all right, but that's not happening. What is happening? Do you know?

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Right, and the FBI hears this.

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Right, because they have a bigger issue now.

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Now it's not, okay, there's some missing money. We can print the money again. There's insurance. Now somebody's going to get killed, and they realize also that – There's bigger players involved and more serious players where you were doing something that was nonviolent. You were taking advantage of an opportunity. These guys are ready to start killing people. They think they're gangsters.

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So at what point, or do you know that they're, obviously they've got their phones tapped and they're listening. Do you know what happened and how did the FBI figure out where you were? Yeah.

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You're in Seattle, which is made up of these little tiny islands, and there's all these little bridges, and they can be closed. And typically on these little islands, there's a canal system, so there's only one or two ways out of every little subdivision, every little island, every little whatever you want to call those things. There's very few... entrances and exits. So it's not hard to stop.

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the line was still live. It was really like a second person holding the phone in the same room. Yeah. So they had to wait and you'd hang up and then they'd hang up.

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Why don't I just pay you and just... Pay me and forget about me. I mean, from their perspective, and I'm only saying this because I've watched the documentaries and the FBI agent was saying, he's like, the problem is that from their perspective, they're thinking... Everybody knows you took the money.

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Nobody knows, and from their mind, obviously the FBI does know, but they're thinking everybody knows that Gant took the money. But they don't know who we are. So if he dies, then it dies with him. He took the money. They find some money. They assume he's hidden the money. They'll never get to us. Of course, they already had gotten to them. They didn't know that.

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So they're thinking, cut off the head of the snake, and then the whole thing will die down. Not that I think that's a justified reason, but it was their reason.

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So what happens if the guy tells you that? What do you think? Are you thinking, I'm fucking out of here?

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If they see you jump into a red BMW, it's not hard to say, okay, great. Put a cop here and a cop here. He's in this area. We're gonna see a red BMW drive by. We're gonna grab him. So he said, so I can't be in a vehicle. So one question is, I can't be in a vehicle. Second one is, I can't get caught because I don't want them to chase me or see me or anybody to be able to figure out who I am.

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had Kelly and everybody already been arrested at that point?

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I want to say, and I don't know this, I do remember – and it's funny cause I, I only watched a bit, a few bits and pieces. I'm really remembering this from seeing it 20 years ago. Um, I want to say that, um, they grabbed him and he told them where you were. I could be wrong. I do know that when they grabbed him, he immediately rolled over on everybody.

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Right. So he may have been... He may have told them exactly where you were, for all I know. Or maybe they had been tracing the phones and they had figured out by that point. I don't know. But they grabbed you. Did they bring you to a local police station? Or did they bring you straight to the airport?

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So you show up back in, did you, where'd you fly into? Flew, I think we went straight to Charlotte. Okay. You're processed in by the Marshalls?

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Um, um, what, so when, you know, when the, did they explain to you, Hey, these guys, they're going to kill you.

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Yeah, he seemed like, look, I've watched a lot of these. He genuinely seemed to like you. I've never seen one of these where they just didn't have... They had a lot of bad things to say about Chambers. They really portray them as just being... bumbling idiots.

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But he, none of the FBI interviews portray you as anything other than just being a nice guy who was frustrated with his situation and saw the opportunity and took it. Yeah.

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So when you come back, you have a long conversation with them. What's the conversation? It...

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And when the cops show up, they're going to know immediately, the guy ran that way, jumped into a red BMW. So all of these are problems. So he said, how do I get around that? He had seen the Thomas Crown Affair and what he decided was, I need decoys. And what he decides to do to get around decoys

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Yeah. I always say, whenever people say, oh, do you ever think about crime? I'm like, or do you think you could get away with what you did today? I always think, yeah, I can. My problem is you cannot account for the fly in the ointment. Yeah. There's just-

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there's just no accounting for someone screwing up or a mistake or, you know, in this case, like had, had chambers, had they gone with the plan, let's, let's let them sit down there, wait a month or two, give them some money, wait a month or two, bring down a couple million, wait a couple, made another month, bring down a couple more million.

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Cause you never know if you're going to, to me, I'd be afraid. What if I get pulled over by the police? They search the car, they get the money. I would have been more like, hey, let me bring you a couple million, wait a couple million, bring you the last million, and you're good. Had they done that, then maybe you do get caught later.

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Maybe you go to Costa Rica, maybe something happens, you get caught later, but at least they followed that portion of the plan. Yeah. But you can't account for what happened with them was from the very get-go, they decided to double-cross you. How are you going to figure that out? How do you know that?

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If you put $5 million into... If you put $5 million and lived off of $50,000, you could live for $50,000 in the Cayman Islands. Yeah. You might as well be making $300,000. But so... Okay, so what happened with you end up taking a plea? I mean, you can't go to trial.

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Yeah, yeah. They've got like a 97% conviction rate. Oh, yeah. Unless you've got big bucks, you can't fight the government. Listen, I always say, look, even if you're guilty, you've got a 50% chance of being found. I mean, even if you're not guilty, you have a 50% chance of being found guilty. Oh, yeah. So what did you end up taking? Let's see.

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After about a week, she was like, okay, let's do it. I'll drive the car. You're going to go and do everything. Okay. So went by Walmart and got a devil's mask and put it on and had her pull up to the bank. I thought about all this all the way through. I planned it and thought about it. I watched Point Break about 20 more times and realized you couldn't go into the vault.

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The police being able to track him is he decides, I'm going to put a mask on and I'm going to wear like a white, like I think I said, a blue long sleeve shirt and blue jeans. Anybody has that in their closet. And I'm going to get one of the sweepers, a little sweeping brush sweeper and a little pickup thing and a bag or a bag. Those cost like 40 bucks.

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You just had to stay at the drawers up front. Kill time at the vault. So we talked about it for about another four or five days, and then we went and did it. And the first one we did... How did you know what bank to even rob? Like, did you... I lived in this apartment complex and across the street there was a bank that had a unique setup. It was just the perfect setup.

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There was privacy fences on three sides of the bank, and then on one side of it was a shopping center, and then it was at a big intersection where the roads crossed like this. There was a little shopping center right here, convenience store right here, and the bank was right here with three privacy fences around it and a residential area behind it.

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I'd been looking at it ever since I moved into the apartment. I was like, that'd be a great bank to rob. So we went and did that. And she dropped me off. She pulled up to the convenience store that was at the corner, killed 15, 20 seconds, because I'd already timed it all out, how long it was going to take me to do everything, you know, unless something went awry.

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And so then I ran through the shopping center to the other road, and she pulled up perfect timing, picked me up, and we boogied out of there.

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Well, you missed the bank robbery part. I wasn't going to talk about all that.

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No, I was going to say you're... So, wow. I haven't really recounted it, I guess, in really specific terms, you know, since then. So forgive me if I'm a little slow sometimes.

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No, I'm just curious. Sure. And we've talked about this, you know, off. Like this is, you know, I've talked to guys who do podcasts and they're always like... Like I've had guys actually say, well, I don't usually want to talk to the guests, you know, before the podcast. And it's like, really? Because I'm like, oh, I always thought, oh, that's rude. You're being a jerk or whatever.

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But the truth is, is that like we had a great discussion about adrenaline, about like, you know, going in. And that's what I'm wondering about is like going up to like. me walking into a bank with fake credentials and everything, I have a certain, you know, the whole thing, you know, the adrenaline, you walk in, I know certain things.

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And I'm just wondering, like, were you, did you think about changing your mind? Like, were you, when you're walking towards that bank, are you just like, like tunnel vision? Yeah. That's it. Okay.

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So it's like, um, I'm doing this and that's it. Yep. Yep. I had, uh, I had tried to do it a couple of times myself and honestly pulled up in front of the bank and was just like, tried to psych myself up, whatever. No, just can't do it. Um, so I think it was having somebody else involved maybe that, that pushed me to go do it. Um, so we pull up,

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She had went in maybe four or five days earlier to just do something fake to see if they had a security guard or not. So we knew there wasn't a security guard, so I didn't have to worry about that. It's a fairly small bank. There was like maybe two, three tellers. I don't remember because I had tunnel vision the whole time.

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So two, three tellers, you know, one person in the office, something like that.

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um got my devil's mask on i got i got a hoodie on so that i can cover myself up completely had on dishwashing gloves actually because the the vinyl gloves weren't that big of a deal yet you know you get in the boxes that they've got now right um so i dishwashing gloves because they would grip money good um i wanted to have everything covered so i wouldn't leave any hair dna anything like that um this is gonna make funniest thing is i used to be begun are you over

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An unloaded BB gun. I knew I wasn't going to shoot anybody. I didn't want to hurt anybody.

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I know a guy that used a pellet gun and fired the pellet gun. In the middle of the robbery, he said his adrenaline – he was yelling. People weren't getting down fast enough. He goes, so I pulled the trigger, and it ricocheted off the ceiling and hit a woman in the calf, and she screamed, ah, I've been hit. And she falls down, and he said – he panics and runs out of the bank. Never got any money.

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He's like, oh, my God, I shot her. It's like, how did you think you shot her? You had a pellet gun. It's like, I don't know. I don't know. I wasn't seeing straight.

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You can't think when you're doing that. I mean, it all is a blur. I mean, it really is. You know, at that time, I was 23 years old. I've been watching Point Break, you know. I go in like a gangbuster, got this gun, devil mask. I'm all hooked up. I go over, vault the counter, just go straight over the counter and start waving the gun around.

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And so what he does is he puts an ad on Craigslist from the Clean Up Seattle Foundation, which is made up. And he says, look, we're paying like $15 an hour. And this is 10 years ago, right? 10, 12, 10, 15 years ago.

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I think I had a pillowcase at the time to put the money in. Billy's up with money, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. did that, jumped back over the counter and was gone. Were you worried about dye packs or anything like that? Not really. I had a friend of mine, one of the guys that I got in trouble with during the burglary, we had talked about doing a whole lot of things.

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And his mom was actually a bank teller. Okay. So when we started getting into doing some of this kind of stuff, he started talking to his mom and asking questions to find out what was what. So we knew about what die packs look like. They're they're a little bit thicker and they're heavier than a regular stack of money. So I knew kind of how to identify them.

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But mostly I just wanted to see if I could do it, I think, at that point. So went in there, bought the counter, had him fill the bag up, got out. That's that when you said tunnel vision, that was really about the best way to describe it. When you start going in there, that's your sole mission. And in my mind, you've got to get away.

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So if there's a pile of shrubs or whatever out there, you're going through that shit. You're going through, over, under. Yeah. No matter what. And I've also come to the conclusion that fear will outrun anger. If somebody's mad at you and they're chasing you and you're scared of them, you're probably going to run faster than they are because you're going to get that adrenaline going.

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So when you go in the bank, I mean, it's just a bunch of tellers. They immediately just go in the drawers and just start handing over the money right away. Nobody puts up a fight. Nobody says anything. Nobody just runs. Nothing. They kind of stand there in shock.

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They stand there in shock for a second. So we kind of have to prod them along. Tell them, do it now. Put it in here. Because they'll just stand there in shock until you guide them.

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And they're trained. They're trained to don't give the guy any trouble. Just give them the money immediately. It's not your money. Give it to them. Get them out of the bank. They want to get you out of the bank before something happens to us. Customer or...

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Right. And that was one of the things that I found out from that friend of mine who talked to his mom was that they are trained to do whatever. In fact, one of the ones that I did, I carried in a walkie talkie with me and I told them, I said, don't hit the alarm. I got a police scanner. I don't know if you do. All right. I didn't know it until later after I got arrested and everything.

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When I look at the paperwork, I found out that they did not hit the alarm. Right. They waited until I left and called 911. So if I would have gotten to do any more, if I would have had that knowledge, I would see if I could make them look like a chicken or something, you know?

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just something off the wall just to see so um so you got the money and you're out of the bank out of the bank we take off we'd found a route that would get us quickly to another town and her friend worked as a bartender in Applebee's so we said we'll get there as quick as we can right and then she'll swear we were there the whole time at Applebee's right hanging out

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So we did that and went and had a couple of drinks just for appearances. Then we went back out to the car and started looking at everything.

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What year was this again? 1995, November of 95. It's not like there's cameras on right now. There's cameras just everywhere. Everywhere. They can walk around. They can do a small perimeter and find somewhere where they've got your tag number. Somebody, some business, someplace has a tag number or something.

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To anyone that shows up at the corner of 56th Street and Bush Boulevard, whatever the name of the street was, right there at the Bank of America, you show up here with a mask, blue jeans, a long sleeve shirt, a sweeper and he gives them the website on where they can buy this material. And they're going to pay like 15 or actually, I think it was like 18 bucks an hour, 18 or 20 bucks.

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Yeah, but back then we didn't have to worry about that. They weren't even on the outside of the banks. So I had her pull right up to the front and drop me off at the door. So we got home and we went through the money and we had $5,000.

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Yeah, I heard that the average bank robber gets $3,500. Like that's the average or something like that? It's not very high. No, I mean, I heard that, by the way, I heard that before I even went to prison. I don't know if it's higher now, but $5,000. Yeah, got five grand. I was mad as hell. Not gonna lie.

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I'm like, man, we just robbed a bank and we got $5,000?

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You're looking at like... With a gun, because it doesn't matter that it's a pellet gun. At that time, it did. Oh, it did?

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Yeah, the law had changed since then. Because in like seven years, like minimum, you're getting set like seven years. Just for a gun, yeah. Back at that time, it was just counted, I think, as a weapon. But it wasn't considered a firearm because it has to be propelled by an explosion. Right. So...

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yeah we're mad as hell you know we got five thousand dollars that goes pretty quick in any kind of world and if you're partying it goes even quicker yeah so a month to the day a month december 7 1995 um we found another bank we were going to do and this your girl's down she is down for anything bro that's

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She was... Because she's robbing the bank. She's probably thinking, no, no, I'm just driving the car. No. You're getting charged. You're a bank robber. Conspiracy to rob a bank.

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Matt Cox on the Smartest Bank Heists in History

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The way they've got it turned is a hand in one is a hand in all. So if you have anything to do with it, you're all the way in. But yeah, she was as dumb as I was. So we ran through that party and that's not an exciting story at all. So we found a second one and We went to do it, and it was set up a little bit differently.

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Matt Cox on the Smartest Bank Heists in History

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So there was a big parking lot for a grocery store and a couple little stores beside it, and there was a couple of trees over there. So she was going to go park in the parking lot, and I was going to hit the bank and then go over to the parking lot and get in the car. Um, went into this bank same way. Um, I think I, I had a little bit of super villain in me and wanted to be notorious.

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So I wore the same devil's mask as I did in the first one. Nice.

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Um, so yeah, make sure there's a link there. Right. You got to do that. It does seem cool to have a theme. It does.

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I wanted to be the Joker or something.

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Matt Cox on the Smartest Bank Heists in History

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In the movie version, it's cool. But in reality, it's like, I really want to do this vastly different. They catch me for one. They got me for one. Yeah. Yeah. So, but I guess I'd have done the same fucking thing.

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Yeah. You know, so did that, went in, um, did the same exact way. Had, you know, the mask, hoodie, gloves, had the BB gun, vaulted the counter like I did before and jumped over the counter and told him to fill the bags up. They fill the suitcase or the pillowcase up. And I thought about that $5,000 and I said, this ain't right. Where's, where's the big money? Where's, where's the other money?

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Well, as it turns out, they've got a top drawer, which is the till, like you'd have at a grocery store or something. Yeah. There's a drawer underneath it that's got all the banded money where they can refill their drawer. So I was like, yeah, put all that in here, too. So they put all that in there.

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I take off out of there and there was, as I run out the back door of the bank and go this way, I ran by the drive-through and there was a woman in the drive-through sitting there gawking at me. So I ran up to her car and I tapped on the window and I was like, you gotta go. And she just looked at me and I said, go. And she beat feet out of there.

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So it was a high, he's like, it wasn't so high that it was unreasonable, but it was much higher than anybody was paying because companies are laying people off left and right. He said, so I know he's going to get at least four or five people. He ends up getting like 20 people show up. So they end up, people start, people buy this stuff.

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I still don't know to this day if that's the person that followed us, but somebody followed us from the bank. went back to a friend of mine's house that I was staying with at the time, dropped my car off and got her car, switched everything over, went to her house to do all the counting of the money. So we get back there and

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I took all the money into the bedroom and was sitting there starting to go through it and count it. I had pencil and paper, so I could write everything down. I'm all excited, you know, yeah, this is going to be a lot better than $5,000, you know, and all that. I get started with it, and it's a great big pile in the bed, and I'm all happy and whatnot.

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Matt Cox on the Smartest Bank Heists in History

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He's like, but, you know, of course, most bank robbers get the money, but they just don't get away. Like, that's the problem. He's like, you know, getting the money, great. Like, it's getting away that's a problem. So, he ended up... First, what he did was he staked out... He told me this later, by the way. I'll tell you something.

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She comes walking in there and she's like, hey, baby, there's a cop car outside. I was like, just one? She said, yeah. I said, okay, well, if it's just one, that's fine. And she said, now there's two. Shit.

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You know? So. Well, sweetie, you're going to have to take this money and go out there and just admit what you did. So, of course, being the. I'm going to put money on your books. I'll stay out here.

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I'll stay out here and take care of you. Exactly. Yep. So we said, you know, we're just sitting there stunned for a moment. And her sister lived next door to us. It was family land and all that. So we get a phone call and it's her sister. And she's like, there's people from the FBI over here saying that y'all robbed a bank and need to come outside. Which I already knew.

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Once we knew there was two cops out there, it's over.

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I know, but you have to admit, even when things were going wrong in my case, there was still this little part in me that said, it's a coincidence. They're not going to figure it out. Right up until you hear the voice and they say it, then it's just like... Makes it real. It's so real. It's so real. At least before, there was a 1% chance. Yeah, that sliver.

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Well, my philosophy when I planned these things was always that if I can get away from the bank, I'll be fine.

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Matt Cox on the Smartest Bank Heists in History

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Yeah, but now you've got this money with bands on it. Yeah, that didn't mess us up. Oh, okay. I would think the bands could be tracked back to that bank or something. I would think something. I would be concerned. Well, we got caught on that one, so... No, no, that's what I mean.

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I thought you were trying to say that I figured even if they caught me when I was away from the bank, I could still say that wasn't me, but not if they've got the bands on the money.

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I'm still thinking you're still in the room. They ask you to politely come out. They ask us to politely come out. I go and look out the window, and by that time, there's like 10, 12 cop cars out there, and they're all behind their cars with guns out. because they think we got a gun because I had a BB gun. Yeah. So they think we're armed and dangerous.

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And that's when I decided I wasn't ready to die yet. I wasn't going to run out there and hail a bullet. That was my idea was fucking. I'm not going to let him take me alive. Yeah, that's a bunch of macho bullshit.

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Matt Cox on the Smartest Bank Heists in History

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What's the name of the Sundance kid? Butch Cassidy. Butch Cassidy and the Sundance kid. It sounds – it's beautiful. It's very romantic. It is. Yeah. Only if you get to leave the theater afterward.

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Matt Cox on the Smartest Bank Heists in History

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And they show up, he says, show up at 9.30 on Tuesday, whatever day it was, at this corner, if the site manager or whatever, if the cleanup foundation manager isn't there at exactly 9.30, start cleaning the area, he will show up within 30 minutes. Because he knew that's when the armored truck shows up. So Anthony shows up with those people. He's standing there sweeping up everything. Yeah. Aloha.

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Matt Cox on the Smartest Bank Heists in History

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That definitely helps. So – We sit there for maybe three or four minutes. And like, what are we going to do? What are we going to do? Well, stupidly, we hide the money and mask and everything under the bed. They'll never find it.

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Matt Cox on the Smartest Bank Heists in History

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They'll never find it there, right? This is here when we got here.

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Matt Cox on the Smartest Bank Heists in History

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We've been set up. Yeah, right. So we go out and surrender, you know, and that was really all we could do. They charged us with two banks. I got 63 months, I guess. So five years. Got into the federal system in 96.

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Matt Cox on the Smartest Bank Heists in History

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There's 20 people there. They're all dressed with the face masks. They've all got the bags to throw garbage in. They've got the sweepers. They have the yellow vest. They're all wearing the same stuff. He goes, man, they were all, we were like clones, bro. There's 20 of them. He said, man, within 10 minutes. Mm-hmm. The truck shows up, pulls up in the parking lot.

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Matt Cox on the Smartest Bank Heists in History

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That's not necessarily enough. Yeah, it's not. You getting caught saying, Jimmy was with me.

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Matt Cox on the Smartest Bank Heists in History

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You have my cell phone? I'll give you their phone numbers, bro. Jimmy, Todd, Todd lived with his mom. Bill, baby. fuck i just got out of prison we let can we spread this around oh so you're saying there's 30 years jimmy can do two five got five in them i couldn't do it bro i could not do it for the life of me i couldn't so they're like broadster and a guy that goes in a bank with a gun what

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Matt Cox on the Smartest Bank Heists in History

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I'm not even that close with Bill.

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Matt Cox on the Smartest Bank Heists in History

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He said, I made sure I was in that general area. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So as soon as they pull up, he goes, and we're spread out.

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Matt Cox on the Smartest Bank Heists in History

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The guy gets out.

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Matt Cox on the Smartest Bank Heists in History

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You know what's funny is I interviewed that guy, Batman, the bank robber guy. And he talks about it, about how he had a bank robbery that was set up by another guy. And so it was him, another guy, and the guy that set up the bank robbery. He said when they actually got there, they all got in the car. They're all about to go into the bank. The guy that set it up starts bawling, just crying.

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crying he looks in there like what are you doing bro what's going on he's like i can't do it i can't do it he's like i i i'm so freaked out right now i'm so trembling this is a guy who burglarized houses he done all kinds of stuff he's going in a bank yeah he's just i mean hands you know they've got guns he couldn't do it he said literally dropped them off across the street and the guy watched those two of them rob the bank

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But yeah, I can imagine getting there and being just like, just not being able to do it. Like, you can walk away. Like, you're terrified. Your heart's going nuts. So, but not Anthony. Anthony does it. So what happens next? He takes three or four steps forward and pulls out the bear mace and boom, shoots the guy right in the face. Guy hits the ground.

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Anthony grabs the, he grabs the bag and goes running forward. Now, the other problem is, remember, is jumping in a car and trying to get out of those areas is difficult. Because now you're stuck on the road in a car. It's not hard to track a blue car, a red car, a white car. It's not that hard. So what he does is there is a canal. And Anthony had left a full inner tube in the canal.

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He actually knew a guy that worked at... I don't know if it was Brinks. I'm going to say Brinks. He worked... I don't know that it was Brinks, but I'm going to say it used Brinks. He actually knew a guy that worked in the Brinks warehouse.

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Maybe it will. Yeah. Maybe it was a link or something. I didn't. Okay.

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I was gonna say, so what do they say when they grab you? They get you, they bring you in their little room, the FBI agents come in and sit down.

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So he runs and he jumps on the inner tube and now the water goes pretty good, right? He told me he had started off, he had a wave runner. like a jet ski. He did have a jet ski, and he said he tried to go up the canal, but it was so rocky that it had cracked the jet ski and actually filled it up. They're hollow. Cracked it. He hit a rock with it, cracked it, and it broke.

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I mean, did they, do you say I'm doing a trial? I don't know what you're talking about. Like at what point did the, somebody come up and say, Hey, this is why they arrested you. This is what you're looking for.

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I was gonna say, and all you've done is hand people a note. Like you didn't have a gun. So that would have been a problem.

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He said, so I realized it was just too shallow for me to use a jet ski because you could always hit a rock. Inner tube. Inner tube. So he runs, and as he's running, he takes his mask off and throws it on the ground. But he said, I didn't...

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How are you finding the drug dealers? How do you know this is a guy...

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think about it because he said i would my adrenaline i don't even remember doing it he said my adrenaline was going so fast he runs jumps on the inner tube and then takes the inner tube and goes downstream and cuts across he then takes the inner tube he leaves it on the bank he jumps into the trunk of a buddy's car a buddy has a car there waiting with the trunk up jumps in the trunk

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And drives off. As he's driving off, he opens up the bag and starts looking for dye patches and everything. Can you imagine being in the car and a dye patch goes in the trunk?

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So, yeah. So, what he does is he... So, the guy drives right down the street. He drives like maybe eight blocks away. Pulls over, Anthony jumps out, doesn't have it, leaves the money. He also told me that that guy didn't want to do it. Like he, at the last minute, tried to change his mind. And I think that guy was supposed to do it with him and didn't do it.

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So you're about to come out of that bank with with a bag of money and no getaway car.

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And he said, look, at the least, at the very least, you have to drive the car. Like go get the car. So he, and he said, I'll give you this much money. Like the guy was just, another guy's terrified. He's crying, he's upset, he's terrified, but he does drive the car. So he drives Anthony down the street, eight blocks. Anthony jumps out of the car, but Anthony's dressed okay. He is wet.

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They can't follow us.

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Everyone's famous last words. Trust me.

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He's soaking wet. He said from the waist down, he said, I'm soaking wet, but you couldn't tell. Like I'm wearing khakis or blue jeans. He walks into a title company, because remember he's a real estate agent. So he walks into a title company and he says,

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that guy had explained to him the procedures, the whole thing, and that these guys are told to just give them the money. Like they're not going to fight you.

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Did you ever see Smokey and the Bandit? No. See, that's the problem. I saw Smokey and the Bandit, and I knew that during a pursuit, they can actually follow you through multiple jurisdictions. Yeah. I saw Smokey and the Bandit. You didn't. And that changes everything.

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And the secretary is there and he walks in and he goes, hey, Jennifer, I was wondering, can I get a copy of my HUD statement, my closing statement when I closed that loan about two months ago? And she's like, yeah, sure, no problem, Anthony. And just then he said, I could hear the sirens of the police. And he goes, what's that? Do you hear that? And she goes... Yeah, I do.

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He goes, I wonder what happened. Like he tried to make sure that she knows I'm standing here with you. Right, you're my alibi. And I'm way, one, I'm across the canal. I'm down from the area and I'm eight blocks away. I couldn't have gotten here in that amount of time. He asks her what time it is. He makes a time. He makes a phone call like he's doing everything to document. This is where I was.

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And you couldn't even run at a full sprint and make it here. He said she never even notices that I'm dripping wet from the waist down. Never says a fucking thing. He's literally like a puddle of water is forming around. Hey, I hope you're enjoying the video. If you're interested in getting a painting done by me, my contact information is in the description box. Enjoy the video.

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So she gives him the HUD statement. He talks. He chats everybody up, and then he leaves. Walks outside, meets up with his buddy, and they've got like $400,000. He cuts his buddy off a little bit of money. Never told on his buddy? No, he never told on him. Anthony never told on anybody.

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Right. I'm like, what?

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I'm going to...

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All right.

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The ticket.

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All right.

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All right.

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Boy, that was a mistake.

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You have to go away so he don't have to pay you.

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How many people's numbers you got?

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Not at this point.

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I keep forgetting you're like 14 years old. Yeah, I'm 14. I'm 14 right here.

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And you see some girls driving his truck. Yeah. And you rob, you steal, carjack. Yeah, no honor. You carjack my buddy's, that's not me carjacking somebody. I see somebody driving Colby's vehicle. That's Colby. It was nice, Colby. Colby had a nice car. I mean, all you guys are just... No honor amongst thieves. Yeah, okay.

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And he knows you stole the truck.

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It's four of us. Bro, this is complicated.

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Myron Gaines Exposes JFK Files, His Secret Identity, & Why He Left The Feds

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Like what? Nikes? Fake Nike?

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Do you let them take it up there and you just kind of follow them?

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That's assuming he's cooperating.

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So what happens? He brings it up there, right? Yeah.

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These people want to come. They want to be a part of this whole thing. They're paying to be. Yes.

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Yeah. Because... They can't ask for papers. They can't really... Exactly.

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But just if you're in Mexico, just to get across the border, what does that cost? Like five or 10?

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So these are guys that are still, they're still coming into Mexico, coming across the border, right? Yeah. I can't imagine where else they're gonna come across.

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Okay. So do you think, real quick, then we move to Miami, but do you think that they could, do you think it's possible for them to actually like close the border to where almost nobody, I mean, somebody's always going to get across.

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yeah I was gonna say it's like I was gonna it's so huge like people don't know this too like illegal aliens that try to come in a lot of times they end up getting like if they don't have like a good foot guide or the foot guide leaves them like they die out there all the time they'll get lost yeah all the time what I was gonna say plus it's a desert like if you you gotta that's why when we were talking about like they have to get you to this point at this point I'm thinking yeah those are like base camps where they have water and food because you couldn't carry enough water to sustain you trying to walk your own way all the way through and that's if you knew yep

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You know, and it's easy to get lost out there, you know, because it's so easy.

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All right. So the first opportunity you had to leave, you took off. You said, I'm done.

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So in Miami, what was Miami like? Did you show up there?

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You're not a rookie anymore either.

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Okay. So how, how long, I mean, how long did you work in Miami? It's just, it's more of the, it's, it's kind of more than 2020.

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So you went to, okay. And you still, you ended up going into school. Did you go in the, I mean, you went to, you just said.

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So how does that, yeah, I was gonna say, how do you even come about thinking like that? Like that is such a, Well, I don't know. It's kind of, it's still kind of the macho thing, but it still doesn't, to me, I don't see agents thinking, hey, this is something I, like, how does that even come about?

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And this is what year this is.

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Yes. Yes. Yeah, for sure.

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You're working 80, 90 hours a week. It kind of excludes, you know, unless they're just swinging by for a couple hours and leaving. Exactly.

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And a month later... That's when I started filming my videos. I did that for like six months. I did the same thing. Was it? Probably. No, no, no. It definitely was because it was a... It was...

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That's not true, right? Criminal justice. Criminal justice.

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Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think six or eight months. Yeah, yeah, you're right. It was about the same time. That's funny.

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I just feel like you guys... Well, you guys have obviously had a lot more success. But... Anyway, but anyway, yeah. Because when you said 2020, I was thinking like, I don't know why. I just felt like... Because as soon as I started... paying attention to YouTube, I had already was coming across your videos very quickly.

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You're not crazy. You know, there's absolutely criminology. Yeah. So, all right. So, So you got that degree because you were thinking, were you thinking Homeland Security or you were just thinking something? Or did you think about going in the military first?

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I was like, do these guys really think I'm over here recording content in this fucking shitty ass phone? Did you know it was about the podcast when you got there?

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Not that it upsets you.

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I would think that that's important. Like, you can't just say, oh, you're not saying you can't have a YouTube? Or you're saying there's got to be something specific that I'm, I'm doing. Like, what is it I'm done?

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Yeah. Yeah. No, this isn't, this is almost the height of kind of the woke fucking like there, there was, there were a couple of years there. Keep in mind, I got out of prison and I, and woke was just coming up. So over the next few years, I'm, I'm, I mean, I'm sitting back going, this is a different fucking world, not just tech, not technologically, but,

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the mindset of these fucking guys and women, just everybody's in fucking sane.

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When you made that decision or the fact that you were even contemplating it, were they in shock that that was it? Because they must have been like, oh, we'll rescind it. He'll do what he's supposed to do. Obviously, he's got 10 years in.

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Yeah, they were. Like at what, 20 years you can retire?

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Or 45, I'm done. He's not going to walk away from that because they have no idea that, hey, behind all of this, behind the content, the attention... And the exposure is, no, no, there's actually, I'm making money. And I'm making money doing something I love. And nobody's ever going to shoot at me.

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Why? Do you speak Farsi?

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Right. At that point, yeah. I got all that. Yeah. Well, it's not like... So if you left and... It's not like you left in bad standing, right? No, I left good. You could apply to get a position again.

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You were friends with Fresh beforehand? How did you guys, did you meet him in Miami?

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If you're an athlete, at what point did you apply to go into Homeland security? Like how does that, how does that happen?

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What were you having such a—was it just a good conversation, or were these two girls just, like, nuts?

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How many views were initially were your videos getting?

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Yeah, I can't believe he died. Bro, he seemed like, that's like, when I heard he died, I was like, Oh, he's not like he's old. And he looked like he was in good shape. Yeah.

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is I thought we were smashing them out. And you have to think, we schedule like seven or eight a week, four people show up, maybe four or five. Because what I'm dealing with, these guys are- People are idiots, yeah.

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Yeah, he didn't show up.

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I've already taken him off the schedule.

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It's like, I sent you four emails, like four text messages. You're not responding.

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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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um oh what no because it's great yeah no i was gonna i was gonna say because you were you would agree to come on here and then we couldn't whatever for whatever reason uh we couldn't you know get you here and then one day i turn it on and boom you're on ian's and i went oh that was because i was home but my folks like live like did this guy fly up to connecticut no and you ian bick

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It's insane. Everybody I know... I've got a buddy of mine, Julian Dory and Danny Jones. They do one show... One show a week. But they also get half a million.

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Right, but we were doing that, but we just weren't making enough to pay all of our bills.

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It's just continued. It's like four a week. Four a week that are probably between an hour to two and a half hours long.

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I mean, it's past 500,000.

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Oh, no. As you're talking, I'm thinking, that's a clip. That's a clip. JFK. I could typically glance over at Colby and you can see his hand. That's a clip.

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I thought it was, like, one time. No, no, no, no, no.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Because Nixon eventually ends up winning after LBJ, right? Yeah.

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Well, then these government... um, you know, institutions have to be on board with you coming. Like they must have, they have like a program connected with them, right. To allow. Yeah. Yeah.

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All right. And then so you because we've had guys like the former we've had like former CIA guys and FBI agents and a lot of them would go into the military. Yes.

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So you think that when they release these – do you think that when they release the files that that's going to come out or you think that's just completely suppressed?

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Yeah. I used to think, oh, well, they're waiting for certain people to die. The truth is like everybody's fucking dead. What are you doing?

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I was going to say dumped a ton more troops.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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When did you start the True Crime channel and how is it doing?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So what happens when you get there?

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I don't know if he's still alive now.

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So I have a question. Because I don't know, Brooks. There was a time when I actually... Watch the whole... What was going on with Andrew Tate. Yeah. The whole thing. Actually, we did a couple videos on it. But then things progressed from that. Like, what is... Like, the last I had heard, like... They had dropped all the charges.

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But then after that, somebody said they're on home confinement in Romania. Like, what's happening?

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So what do you think the catalyst was for them to – like, listen, the FBI is not going to come and arrest you. Homeland Security is not going to arrest you if they don't think they can win at trial.

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Right. I always say this. I'm like, look, the state will arrest you and then build a case. That's why so many of them will drop the charges because once they start investigating, they're like, ah, we can't put this together.

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And what they're really hoping for is that you'll just say, can I get a plea?

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But the feds, by the time they grab you and they're like, I won't give a shit if you take a plea, like we'll give you one. Yeah. But we've been watching you for years. Yeah. You're done. You go to trial, you're losing. Yeah. Do you want to take one?

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It's all fucking... Yeah, they can hold you for a certain period of time.

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As with a lot of these Eastern European countries. So initially, they grab him. And they eventually, six months or eight months later, he gets out. He gets on a monitor. They're both on house arrest. Eventually, they drop that case, and then they brought another case, which is what? Is it similar to the first one?

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Like basically just, this is like three, three or four women that are saying, Oh, he, he did this. And that's what their whole thing is based on. Three people. Yeah.

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Did they take all of his cars and everything? They gave him back. Oh, okay. He got most of them back.

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Do you think that's what the goal was? I think so, dude. Strip this guy's guys a bunch of money. He's running his mouth. Strip him. Nobody's going to say anything.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. You know, because they are American citizens. Okay.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I didn't know they were the Trump thing.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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The first podcast I did was a guy named Danny Jones, which is not far from here. And I did that and it got a couple million views. It was like a two and a half hour thing, me just telling my story. But it was amazing because keep in mind, bro, I'm just out of the halfway house. I mean, I've been out maybe three months, two or, wait, yeah, I've been out like three months.

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And so many people were, one, my email's not out there. They're tracking me down. They're sending me – they're finding me, which I'm thinking that's impossible. They're finding my email, and then guys are asking me questions like, bro, can you talk to me? I have a problem. I don't really have any male influences or any strong males in my life. And they're asking – and to me –

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A guy who'd been locked up 13 years, on the run three years, grew up with a dad. Like when I went to prison, this wasn't an issue. This wasn't something you talked about. Certainly wasn't something that somebody felt comfortable. If it was an issue for you, nobody felt comfortable enough to even ask that. You just dealt – you hit it. You dealt with it yourself.

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Guys are emailing me saying, you know, I'm 22 years old. I'm 21 years old. I've never had a girlfriend. I've never this. And I'm thinking, how is that possible? Dude, it's crazy. And so it wasn't until I got on YouTube and I started seeing these videos and seeing the way these guys behaved that I was like –

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And the fact that it was actually an issue, and it was something that in prison, I never heard about this in prison. First of all, you don't have internet in prison. You don't have YouTube. You don't have any of that in prison. You've got an email system that even the email system is going through. It's a pass-through email system. So I can't email you directly.

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It's basically you leave a message here. I check the message. I leave a message here. You go check that.

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So there's none of that. Maybe I get to watch TV, but they're not covering this stuff. Yeah. Not at that time. So anyway. What's funny is, so I started hearing about all that. And so as I'm looking into it, your videos start popping up. Your videos, Andrew Tate's videos, the other influencers in that kind of genre start showing up. And I just remember being shocked.

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And then I'm still not thinking anything about it, right? Like I'm not thinking it's as, as people are taking this as serious as they are. I'm very, like at that time I was living in someone's, someone's spare room. Actually, I was living in a, like a rooming house. I just out of the halfway house and it wasn't, it was here. I just moved here. I just moved here.

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I got, I had a, and a contract with a production company and we were doing an entire series based on my stories. So I have an agreement with you. We are, we're shooting, we're doing videos. I have that, that closet. There's a whole soundproof thing. And, and, I spent 20 hours with these people that I flew out to LA and met, right?

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What was happening there? What, like, I mean, are you, I mean, is that like, if that Homeland, why is Homeland security there? Is that like drugs or? Yeah.

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I went out to LA and met a bunch of producers and these producers came and they made an offer. And so I'm now doing a, I'm going to do a whole series.

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So this is where I explained to you that, that Andrew Tate got me fired. So I, I, I do 20 hours with these guys on one of my stories because when I was in prison, I wrote a bunch of true crime stories. I don't know if you know that. And some of them I've optioned, sold off. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Nothing's ever been made.

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So these guys are like optioning those stories, and we're doing an entire series based on them. So we're doing the stories, and I've done 20 hours. And at some point – now, keep in mind they're from L.A., They've talked to me, but just about my story. Yeah. They don't know my opinion. They don't know, you know, and I feel like I'm very, I don't try and offend anybody.

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You know, I don't, my opinions are my opinions. I'm not pushy. And Andrew Tate had just been canceled.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, exactly. We just, because I had another.

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Yeah. Listen, man. And I remember too, when that happened, I was like, This is, first of all, initially his response sounded like, I was like, come on, bro. And everybody's not against you. And then this one and this one and this one. It was literally domino effect.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Okay. So I mean, do you have brothers and sisters?

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Listen, and then everything that he initially, the insanity of videos that he was talking about prior to that, that seemed so insane, came to fruition over the next six months. And I was like, Like this guy is saying, like, this is how it works. This is what they do. This is how they come for you. And then boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. And then he's arrested in another country.

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Then they're persecuting him. Now, eventually, you know, like it's like you have no evidence. They're saying you have no evidence there. Anyway, my point is that. I'm doing this whole thing with these guys, but keep in mind, they're from LA. Yeah, super woke. Yeah, and I have no idea. Like, I'm not really not sure, right?

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Like, it's, you know, I mean, I'm not trying to say anything crazy or anything. And every once in a while, they say something. And I remember looking back on it, you'll appreciate this, is that I had one, there were two producers. One of the producers was a female. And at some point, we talked about my, my, which is my wife.

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Now the girl, we were dating at the time and I started dating her and, and I, I said something, I said, yeah, she didn't want to date me when we first started dating. I mean, we were eventually, we were going to go to dinner and, and, uh, and she was like, well, we'll go as friends. And I was like, no, I don't want to go as friends. We're not going as friends. And she's like, why?

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And I think I told you this. I was like, no, we're not going as friends. I'm like, I'm just a date. She's like, well, I don't, I don't want it to be a date. We'll just go as friends. We can't go as we can't be friends. I was like, no, There's no reason for me to be friends with you. And she's like, why? And I said, let me explain something.

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I said, because the whole time that you're thinking we're building a friendship, I'm thinking, how do I fuck this chick?

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So I said, I don't need, I'm just not going to be friends with a hot chick that I want to fuck. I want to date you. I'm not going to mislead you. She's like, well, then we won't go out on a date. I said, then we won't go out on a date. Yeah. I'll find someone else. You'll find someone else that is interested.

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Calls back, you know, a week later. Well, we can go, you know, this goes on for like two or three weeks till eventually we actually do meet and we meet. And of course we make out that night and everything's good. And then we start dating. And it's funny too, because I remember I was talking to my ex-wife on the phone before I was going there. And she says to me,

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Why are you going on a date with a chick that's told you she's not interested, said she doesn't want to date you? Because I think she does want to date me. She texts me. She flirts with me. I think she's interested. And she goes, she's told you she's not. I was like, right. So here's what's going to happen. We're going to go to dinner. I'm going to be charming. I'm going to be funny.

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And I said, at the end of the date, I'm going to lean in to kiss her. And she goes, what if she doesn't kiss you? I said, well, then I know. Yeah. Then I know. I'm not afraid. Listen, for 13 years, every two weeks when my mother came to see me, I had a guy tell me, strip down naked, bend over, spread your ass cheeks, and cough. Yeah. You can't embarrass me. Yeah, it's true.

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So I'm like, if she pulls back, she pulls back. Now we know, and I know 100% I'm wrong. And if she does kiss me, then I know it was all bullshit to begin with. Yep. And of course, it works out. But- That conversation I have with one of the producers. We're joking. I don't know what happened. The female overheard, though. She hears the conversation.

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They bring in another producer. I now think she was so offended. Because she was like, you don't think men and women can be friends? And I'm thinking, I go, no. Yeah, no, you dumb bitch. No, I don't believe that. I'm sorry. I have girls that are friends, but I'm not attracted to them. They're married. We're not attractive. And we're not going out to dinner. We're not hanging out.

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We're dating as couples. We go to events as couples. So what I say, yeah, we're friendly, we're friends, but we're not hanging out.

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Anyway, what happens is, so I'm still working with these guys. 20 hours later, they bring in this new producer. We have several episodes. And at some point... We are talking about the financial crisis.

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And she's a black girl, woman. And she makes a comment. Keep in mind, this is on Riverside, you know, the platform Riverside. So I can see them. They can see me. Okay. Okay. And I see her go, you know, this systems, you know, the systems it's rigged. She says something about it being rigged by old white men. Of course. And I was like, okay.

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I'm like, I'm not, you know, but they can see my face and I'm thinking, don't say anything. She didn't know what, you know, whatever. And I was like, okay, anyway. And then, so suddenly the one producer is like, okay, well, he's like, what, but what do you think about that, Matt? First of all, it has nothing to fucking do with this. What we're talking about.

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We're talking about one of my stories here. Yeah. Happened to happen during the financial crisis. She makes us off the cover mark. Right. Right. Yeah. That I'm, I guess I'm going to ignore, I disagree, but I'm going to ignore, uh, It's a system that's allowed you to be – You're nice to me. I would have been like, shut the fuck up, Shaniqua. Yeah, yeah.

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But she – anyway, so she – Shut the fuck up, Shaniqua. So she says that. I say something. I go, well, I disagree. And I'm like, well – and I said, but it's fine. And he's like, what do you mean? I'm like, well, it's fine. We'll just agree to disagree. He's like, well, what do you mean? He digs in. We start talking. Then we start going back and forth. Well, what do you think about this?

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Well, I don't understand. What do you mean? And we go back and forth. And to shorten the story, it ends up being – I said, well, I just don't understand why you can't have a disagreement with someone. I said, it's like if you agree with 85% or 90% of what someone says, and they say 10% you disagree with, suddenly you want to get canceled. Yeah. And she makes a comment about Andrew Tate. Of course.

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And I went... And I said, yeah, I said, well, I said, I see, I feel like that's ridiculous. I'm like, look, I agree. He probably 15% of what he says, I said, I disagree with. So, you know, I disagree that you should have, you know, whether you can afford it or not, you should be able to have four wives or five wives. I think that- You believe in monogamy?

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Yeah, well, I believe that this country was based, is based on Western values and you get married and you have two or three kids and you, you know, that's, I believe that. I get it, fair enough. Right. So other than that, I'm on point. Wake up early. Work out. Open their doors. Pay for things. Be a man. Make money. Work three jobs if you have to. I agree with everything else.

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I just have an issue with how you go about treating women and also probably the— It's the pitch. You know what I'm saying? It's the delivery. Like the message is great, the delivery, but that's the shock value that got him the attention, right? Of course, yeah. He's toned it way down now, right? So, but initially I get it, that it was a shock value and that's what gets you all the views.

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So as I'm explaining this, I'm like, but I disagree. I said, I disagree with some stuff, but I agree with most of it. And she's like, I said, yeah, I said, let's face it. I said, a lot of stuff he says is funny. And she's like, like what? And I went- I said, well, it's funny. I said, and some of it's true. Like I said, look, let's face it.

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If you're a hot chick, I probably shouldn't have said chick. So if you're a hot chick, it's like he has this thing where he's like, look, a man has to make all the right decisions throughout his entire life to end up getting on... standing on a $20 million yacht. Yep. Said this chick can be, have a makeup kit and be 22 years old. Fuck that guy. Fuck him for two or three years.

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And he could, she can end up with that yacht. Yep. And I said, listen, I said the top 10 most wealthy women. I'm like eight of them. Yep. made all their money because they married a rich man and divorced him. Two of them, one of them inherited it, and then one of them barely makes the list at all. And she's nowhere near in the top thousand richest people when you throw in men in.

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But out of women, yeah, she's in there. She made her own money. Get it? Like Martha Stewart. One out of 10. So I say that, and they're like, you can just see the look on their face. They're like, okay, Matt, this is the guy. He's like, Matt, I think we're going to have to talk about this. Yeah.

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And I'm sitting there going, keep in mind too, this agreement, this contract with them, I'm probably going to make $200,000 or $300,000 at least. And I went, I'm not realizing what I've said. And I went, they said, so we're going to, I'll get back. Let me give you a call in a couple of days. We're going to have to have a talk about this. And I was like, I said, okay. So I said, are we done?

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He's like, yeah. I said, oh, okay. And I just disconnected. Two days later, hey, Matt, are you available to talk at 2 o'clock, whatever? I'm like, yeah, sure. I talked to the guy. He's like, yeah, we're going to have to sever the relationship. Wow. He's like, I mean, I'm not saying you're a misogynist. But, you know, I have to worry about my employees and protect them.

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I just said the same thing. And I'm like, and listen, afterwards, when I had a conversation with my wife about what happened and she's like, you need to keep your opinions to yourself. Isn't that crazy though? You also have to understand that like, if you want to get your message out there, you have to, I mean, I understand you've obviously made your decision on this.

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Um, you know, you, you have to, a big part of it is delivery. Like, of course, like take, um, uh, oh gosh, I, uh, Peterson, think, why can I never- Jordan Peterson? Jordan, I always, yeah. I always want to say Jordan Belfort. So Jordan Peterson, he's, listen, he's not saying anything different than anybody else is saying.

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But he's, you know, he says it very, much more analytically, much more calmly. He must be politically correct. Listen, they still fucking go after him. Yeah. Like, so I just think it's the delivery. That's the biggest problem.

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So what happened with... So, I mean, you're on YouTube, but... We still are.

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Um, So Facebook, Mark, what's his name? Zuckerberg. We got banned off meta too. Yeah.

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I was going to say, what a turnaround. Yeah. I mean, you know, like when he did a whole video on it and everything, the whole time I'm thinking, man, bro, like if I had very little respect for you to begin with, like your complete turnaround, like I get it. Like at this point he's like, hey, I just need to cut my losses. Like I get it, but it's like, wow, like you're –

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What is the bulk of the cases that they're working on? Are they drug cases?

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Oh, sorry. I didn't mean to. I was going to probably be softer about it. So I do have a question. Sure. Okay. So have you considered... softening your tone for these other, to get back on these other platforms?

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You would think of the FBI.

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What is your analytics? When I started the podcast, it was 98.5% male. It's down to 92% male for us. I don't know what it is. Is it down to 92%? Because initially it was almost 100% men. And now it's slowly women are. And now I notice more and more women in the comments.

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Oh, yeah, I said that's mean-spirited. She came back?

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Yeah. So so testosterone in the last 50 years, testosterone levels for men have dropped dramatically. What do you think? I'm wondering if this if you have a theory on that.

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You can't dial it back just a hair just to stay monetized?

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Okay, so, I mean, did you... So, I mean, ultimately, you end up with Homeland Security, like, when you were in high school. Like, was that, like, a goal? Did you think I'm... Or was it just I want to go into public service of some kind?

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Can you imagine Elon Musk?

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Do you have any idea? Listen, I understand. You're in a different position than I am. But the idea that six years ago, I was laying in a bed in a prison, wondering how I was going to feed myself, and that I'm now...

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Yeah, exactly. I was going to say this really just gives me the ability to spend my time doing other projects that I find interesting that will never really make me any money. But I'm thinking like the idea that – but see, you had more of a serious job. You were a serious person 10 years ago.

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I'm thinking that 10 years ago that you would be in a position where Elon Musk would even spend five seconds thinking, you know what, let's go ahead and take this badge and do this. Let's try and tighten down on this guy. Like me? Like I'd be like, I'm nobody. I make silly videos. Like how is anything I'm saying upsetting you? In general, like even the people that have been on your platform.

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Right. After 9-11. Yeah, I was going to say, whenever somebody asked me, like, how did the Secret Service get on my case? They're like, why wasn't the FBI? I'm like, because they're chasing real criminals. Like, after 9-11, I knew everything got shifted. There was a lot of stuff that they handed over, like the Secret Service, like financial crimes.

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that are serious people. You know what I'm saying? To me, it's like, these are serious people that I would be sitting across. Even Lex, Lex Friedman that I'm, you know, went on Lex Friedman and then I'm not sitting across from Lex Friedman or. Yeah. Oh, he blocked me too. Yeah. You blocked me, yeah. Fucking pussy. I mean, you do understand that eventually you'll run out of people to piss off.

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He does have the morning. He has a very monotone voice.

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I never really. Even people that are.

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Like, I just don't, I don't get, like, you remember, you've heard me say this about my buddy, David Simpson. The guy that would go up to the girls and be like, hey, what's your number? Listen, while I was driving around, I was like 17. He was, was he younger than me? Is it a year younger or a year older? I'm driving around. This is back – oh, this is – wait. You don't even remember this, bro.

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This is back in 1986, you know, 87. So this was our – I don't know, internet or whatever you want to call it, Facebook or Instagram was going to a strip mall.

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This is back when malls were a thing.

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And you'd go to... You wouldn't go to the mall. You couldn't go to the mall and do this. You had to go to the strip mall. And you would... All the high school kids would come, and they would just drive around the strip mall. I mean, we're talking about one— Oh, yeah.

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This was a continuous stream of cars. And guys are hanging out of cars, and girls would go, and they'd get out, and they're standing there. And they'd talk to guys as they went by, or girls would, you know, whatever. And so— That used to be great. It was pretty cool, right?

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So David Simpson's this kid. Actually, I know he was younger than me. That's right, because I was driving. I'm 17. I was probably 16 or 17. He was like a year younger than me. But he's tall, probably 5'10", 5'11". And I actually had dinner with him. We text every once in a while to this day, like lost track of him, of course, because, you know, I was a lunatic for a while there.

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But he literally, I'm 16, 17 years old and, you know, terrified to really talk to girls, right? Like I had a girl, I always had a girlfriend, but really was not the kind of guy that went up and talked to girls at that time. And David, he's driving and sees a group of fucking girls and goes, whoa, hold on. Boom. Opens the door. I'm still moving. Gets out and walks over. This happens all night.

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Walks over. Walks right up to like the hottest chick there. He's like, hi, my name is David Simpson. And she's like, hi. Shakes his hand. He's like, do you? I'm sorry. Just you're beautiful. Is there any way I can get your number? And the girl would be like, oh, yeah. And they would write the number down and get it. He'd go, OK, I got to catch up with my buddy. And then he'd run and jump in.

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So you guys don't do that anymore. He'd get. Five or 10 phone numbers throughout the night. And I remember being like, bro, aren't you embarrassed? And he's like, why? And I was like, because what if that girl says no? And he's like, I don't know her. And he was like, I'll never see this chick again. And I was like, I know, but still, she says no. It's embarrassing. Listen, listen.

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He said, Matt, he said, as many times as I ask, girls will laugh. This kid's a year younger than me. Girls will laugh or say like, oh my God, you know, give me the whole, you know, I would never, or I have a boyfriend. He's like, that's fine. He's like, I say, well, I totally get that. I get why you have a boyfriend. You're beautiful. Good. Like, he's like, I made her feel better.

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I saw her up for the next guy. He was like, jump back in the car and I keep going. He was at the end of the night. I got 10 phone numbers. I make the phone calls. He was there waiting for me to call. He's like, date whoever I want to date. And he was like, it's fine. It's sales, dude. Like literally dealing with women is sales. He's a salesman now. Yeah. Damn, damn. There you go.

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Owns his own company. Nice. Sells windows and doors to new construction. Nice. Flies all over the country. Anyway. But that's what it is.

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By the way, and has a beautiful wife, beautiful, I think it's three daughters that he hates all of their, all the guys they're dating. He also went in the military.

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He's very much a guy's guy too, by the way. But it was after I met him that I decided like, you know, I don't know this shit. I've never seen this shit before.

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Listen, you know, it reminds me of the Dana White thing where he said he's telling his kids. He's like, listen, if you're even half a fucking savage, like you were just got to fucking rake up in life because everybody's so fucking weak.

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But in general, I'm saying that was the guy. And that's why I don't get it when you hear like 40% of guys at 25 or 30 have never slept with a girl or never had a girlfriend. It's bad. I don't, it's because they're, I think, well.

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Yeah, they're all going for the 1%, which they don't qualify for. Exactly. What I'm thinking is it's funny because to me, I've never, there's never been a time that I can remember where I went up to a girl, asked her for her phone number, went on a few days, and we started dating. Almost every chick I've ever dated for a long period of time, years. Didn't want to date me at first.

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I'm five foot six, bro. I mean, I'm like, you know what I'm saying? Like, there's all kinds of issues here, not to mention my personality. You know, so I've got major issues. It's basically, and this is a horrible thing to say. It's going to sound stalkerish. I basically have worn down almost every chick. This chick didn't want to date me. You're persistent, man. Yeah, I'm just persistent.

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It's like, you know, and then they, oh, well, we can be friends. No, no, no. I don't want to be friends. I'm very upfront. I don't want to be friends. That's good that you, yeah, you put the, yeah. You know, and so you lose some of them. Sure, but it's the...

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Wow. Or something like that from the show. Tested somebody bought on the auction off like one of the bloody blouses from one of the victims. And this person went in and tested multiple parts of it. And one of the DNAs was a guy that had been investigated, but they could never pin it on him. And so they actually found out, boom, it's him.

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Like, wow, all this time.

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Unfortunately, I think it's probably Bundy because he escaped twice. Yeah. Like, it's insane that he escaped. Like, he kept escaping and stuff and that he, you know, it's... And it was, oh, this is horrible. This is horrible, bro. Don't do anything with this TikTok. Don't make a TikTok.

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Like he killed all women.

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He was consistent. Like he had a type.

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You know, when he bit the chick's ass cheek, like at a college campus when he got caught. Was it that or was it her breast? It was her ass cheek. Oh, okay. Yeah, he had bitten. But they don't even use that anymore. Like that evidence.

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Yeah. Now they're saying that it's not specific enough. Gotcha. And there were several people that went to the gas chamber or whatever it was, electric chair, because of that. And now they're saying they don't want to use it. They don't want to use it.

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Yeah, I was going to say that. That's not the only thing. Yeah, he would have got cooked anyway.

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Oh, yeah. You know, he was super smart.

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I can't be laughing at this. It's crazy.

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And then he evolved. Like it didn't start that way. First it was kind of a spree thing and it was impulsive. And then he went from a disorganized killer to an organized where he had a, okay, I need a plan. This is going wrong. I need a plan.

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Well, but they never really, they think they know who it is, but they never really.

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Is he the one that ended up having the Zodiac watch? Yes, he had this zodiac watch. There was so much circumstantial evidence pointing to him. So much.

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Well, they saw mine through.

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Yeah. Okay, so you got there. It was just them? Nobody else? No, no. It started with the FBI, but when I was on the run and they got involved, they were actively chasing me. The FBI basically put the warrants out, and they're like, oh, he'll get pulled over eventually. They're not chasing me. The Secret Service is sending out flyers. They're emailing people. They're showing up at people's houses.

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The kids grew up and figured out that they had been to all the crime scenes. Right, and he had molested them. He would drug them and molest them. He was a weirdo.

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John Wayne Gacy. The Killer Clown, that crazy bastard? Yeah. How they caught him is wild. What kills me is the way he would get these kids. He would overpower them. He'd have them handcuff themselves. I mean, you know what I'm saying? He just tricked them. Because he went after teenage boys. Right. He would trick them. He'd get them stoned or drunk. You know, whatever. You lure them back.

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And then he'd say, yeah, I've got these handcuffs. He'd pull out the handcuffs. And he'd say, yeah, yeah, you can look. And he'd handcuff himself and say, look, you can. And he would turn around. He had the key. He'd unlock them and be like, yeah, you can get out of them. Here, here, put them out. I'll show you. Kid would handcuff himself. And now you're just fucked.

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You're wearing a pair of handcuffs. And they're like, well, how do I get out of them? No, no, now I'm going to strangle you to death. Yeah. It was just like, whoa.

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And he's buried all by 23 bodies, 23 bodies underneath his own house.

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They were the lead agency, right? Like when you were there sitting? Ultimately, when all the cases got condensed, they were the lead.

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Yeah. He killed like 31 or 32 people, but he actually buried 23 under his house until he ran out of room. Yep. Then they started throwing him in rivers.

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Gacy always maintained that there was no smell, by the way. You know, he's always like, there was no smell. That's not true. Really? So the guy made it up, and they happened to find the bodies? Yeah. Like, come on. Yeah, no. You're not burying that many bodies underneath here. And only a foot or two under, and there's not going to be some kind of gases.

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I would exclude Zodiac because they never caught him. They don't really know. That's what bothers me about the Zodiac. Yeah.

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But initially, yeah, initially it was FBI, but then they weren't really looking. But when I went on the run, it was definitely the Secret Service.

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While he's raping your wife in the next room. He has you do that.

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So once you got to Laredo, I mean, how old are you at this time?

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You're 24 years old and you're working criminal cases. It was crazy, man. How old are you now? I'm 35 now. Doesn't that seem ridiculous, a 24-year-old? You shouldn't be in charge of anything.

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Um, everyone is like cartel in that era. Like they're getting into shootouts with cops. Like it's, it's not as bad as maybe being in Mexico, uh, but it's bad.

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From my understanding, when you talk to people that out down there, they're like, bro, it's a wild fuck. It's a wild west.

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And they were trained by our military. And then they just weren't making enough money. So then they ended up going and it first started as protection. And then they ended up becoming almost like their own cartel, right? Yeah. Something like that. Anyway, so what are some of the cases? I mean, what's?

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But they know how to write up the report.

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I don't typically commit crime, but when I do, it's bank fraud. Stay greedy, my friends.

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So he winds up going to prison. He had a good role model.

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Of course. I mean, of course, that's a given.

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Right. Unreliable.

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You're about to come out of that bank with a bag of money and no getaway car.

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I was going to say that sounds like something you saw like, you know. It definitely that's definitely something that that one of like like one of your stoner buddies tells you, listen, bro, we can go drive over the state line. They can't follow us.

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Yeah. And then you base your entire several decisions that carry over the rest of your life on on the fact that your stoner buddy said he I know what I'm doing. Oh, well, trust me. All right. Trust me. Everyone's famous last words.

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You have a vast experience in being a bricklayer or working in a convenience store, and that's your experience based on this law that doesn't exist. So what happens? They call ahead. They're waiting for you.

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Did you ever see Smokey and the Bandit? No. See, that's the problem. I saw Smokey and the Bandit, and I knew that during a pursuit, they can actually follow you through multiple jurisdictions. Yeah. I saw Smokey and the Bandit. You didn't. And that changes everything.

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That is the way to go.

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What? Do you still have the $800?

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And so you were charged. So, I mean, the chase and everything like that was all kind of state. But this is federal. Like you ended up in the federal system, right?

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So his admitting responsibility really worked to his advantage.

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I know that. I'm joking. Yeah, I understand that. It's supposed to work. Like, look, if you just own up to what you did, then it'll work to your, you know, like to you, they pitch it as it will help you. It's good if you own up to what you did because then they take pity on you and they give you a reduction in sentence. But in his case, it worked to his detriment.

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Well, you don't think her drinking?

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The judge comes out my... I have a question. If your buddy... Has he gone to trial? Did they say that he was the one that was driving the car at this point? I wasn't driving the vehicle. I don't know why this guy's on crutches. If I wasn't driving the vehicle, why is he even here?

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Right. Yeah. I mean, you know, things could have turned out either. They could have turned out the same way regardless, but you know, I can't help but think that that probably definitely, you know, contributed at the very least it contributed.

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And I got to watch that movie again. It's a great movie. Oh, great, great, phenomenal movie.

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So I get to the feds. Federal prison, getting off the bus. It's a good day.

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I don't typically commit crimes, but when I do, it's bank fraud. Stay greedy, my friends.

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And the SMU, that's where it's like the gang dropout guy?

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So it's the opposite of the guys that are dropping out.

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It's the guys that are all in.

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Yeah, I was going to say – it's funny the higher, it really works like the opposite of what you would think. It's kind of like the correctional officers at the camp and the low treats you like dog shit. And then as they get up to the medium, they treat you a little bit better. They get to the pen and they're downright respectful to you. But then it also, it's funny because

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In the medium, there would be a stabbing in the yard, right? Like there's a riot or a stabbing. There's guys fighting and stabbing each other in the yard. And they would call lockdown. They'd lock you down. And the next move, they'd open back up again and let everybody go about your business. But at the low, if there was a stabbing or a fight, you're locked down for four days. Yeah.

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It's like, that doesn't make any sense at all. But yeah, it just doesn't work the way you would think logically this should work.

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What was the kidnapping case?

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Oh, okay.

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Yeah, and what you just said, it was funny that the tattoo guys would go up to the cop and be like, listen, man, like I got a guy coming in. I know, you know, I know not all cops are cool with it. And he'd be like, listen, fucking lieutenant comes in at like six o'clock. So have your lookout waiting for him. When he comes in, shut it down. He'll walk, he'll be in here 10, 15 minutes.

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You can go right, you can go all, you know, all in. But don't get me fucked up or I'll never let you do it again. They'd be like, absolutely not. And he'd tell them, get a good lookout. They're like coaxing him. They're coaching him on what to do.

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Listen, we had a CO go to the tattoo guy in our unit, showed him a design for a tattoo that he'd kind of sketched up and asked him if he could redraw it. And he redrew it. And he used to tell the tattoo guy in my unit, I wish you could do this tattoo for me. I mean, listen, he was amazing because they're great tattoo artists. Oh, yeah. In prison. Yeah.

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But I mean, that's how comfortable you're right. And then at the medium, they're shaking you down every two or three days looking for the guns. Like it was a completely different environment.

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So I can imagine that the pen, they're just trying to keep the guys in the pen from stabbing the guards. Yeah.

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I just Coleman one last time you had said you were in Beaumont.

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So that's that example you gave just now, did you come up with that?

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Yeah. In Florida, there's that school in Florida where they found, you know, like 50 or a hundred kids that they were killing them and burying them. Oh, wow. Yeah. And this was 50, 50, 60 years ago, but they're still digging up the bodies. Wow. Yeah. It was saying, you know, it's this sexual abuse.

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Okay. I was gonna say that's a good, it's a good example. I mean, not just for that, but just for, for lots of things, you know, like, um, yeah, I was gonna say like, um, do you ever hear, you know, who Jordan Peterson is? No. Well, he's a professor at a couple of universities in Canada, and he does different talks.

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And it's funny, he mentions, like, he talks about, like, you know, if you want to be successful in life, you want to do this. Like, people will say, you know, how do I get what I want out of life and be successful? And, you know, he says, like, he's like, well, you know, start making your bed in the morning. You know, clean up your room. Start there. And it's like, and people are like, will go...

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how does that have anything to do with me being better at my job? And he's like, but the point is, is that if you've kind of followed, read one of his books, it's like that basic fundamental change in that one small thing reverberates throughout your entire life. So that turns into a habit. And then you start doing, then you start cleaning your room.

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Then you start folding your clothes on time and putting things up and doing that. Before you know it, you're doing all the things at work that you're supposed to do maybe to get a better promotion or maybe to get another job.

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It's these little fundamental changes in your behavior at the basic level that travel throughout your entire life and change everything just by that one, because you can't start at the top. You've got to start down here and it reverberates throughout your entire life. And before you know it,

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You're getting a master's degree so you can get the job that you want so that you can get the top position so you can make the money that you want. You're better to your family. You're better to your kids. You're better to your wife. Your friendships are better. And sometimes it means removing friends from your life, people that aren't good for you, people that don't care about you.

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But I'm saying I love that example. It's a great example of hitting that one small bing and it just, boom. goes throughout the whole thing. And you're right. If you're standing at the top, you can feel it. Like it changed. There's no way it can't, no way you're not going to feel that. Right.

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And then of course the kids, when the parents would, if the parents did show up and say, Hey, my son was supposed to be here for three years. He's gone. They'd say, Hey, ran away. Bad kid. He got away. Oh, wow. You know, then they bury it. Then they dig them up, you know, 20 years later.

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Right. You know, but when you did you get a copy of the hardcover? I mean, of the so you got it on softcover and hardcover. Did you get a copy?

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I just ordered it Friday. Yeah, yeah. It comes right up. I was going to say, did you get the sample copy? No, I just bought one. Okay, because what they'll let you do is before you publish it, they'll let you order, I think, up to five sample copies. It says sample on it, but it's only like three or four bucks. you get it, like they'll mail it out right away.

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You'll get it very quickly, within a day or two. And you get it, and that way you can read through it to make sure everything's lined up and looks right. And then you can make any changes and order another sample copy. And then, of course, once you're happy with it, then you can publish it. And you can also order author copies.

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Yeah, I was going to say, but then, you know, you can put it up on the, you know, you put up for 15 or 20 bucks, you know? So yeah, I always order author copies and, you know, cause people ask me for signed copies and stuff. So I'll sign a copy and mail it to them. But yeah, that's good. That's good. I don't have any hardcovers. All mine are softcovers. I need to do the hardcover.

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I need to do the hardcover.

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I know every, every, yeah. Every cover is different. Yeah.

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Would you erase it?

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Yeah. No. All right. Good times. Yeah. All right. So what are you, so what's going on now? Do you have anything else? I mean,

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Well, and you, it'd be nice to have, you know, some reserves in case, you know, it takes a little bit to take off or something.

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Okay. Well, you do have some, just one thing after. Yeah. Well, I mean, hopefully that works out well.

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All right. Are we good?

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And I'll send you the link for it. I was going to say, yeah, send me the link for it. We'll put it in the description. All right. So people just go to the description box and click on it. Hey, I appreciate you guys watching. If you like the video, do me a favor. Hit the subscribe button so you get – or once you're subscribed. And hit the bell so you get notified of videos like this.

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If you saw anything you like, links to all the books are in the description box.

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A bad situation all the way around.

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So I wound up- This isn't a juvenile jail. No, this is an adult prison, right? Or is it jail?

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Hey, this is Matt Cox, and I'm going to be talking to Patrick McKean. He actually just got out of prison a couple of years ago. He's a career criminal, been in and out of prison, did most of his time in federal and state penitentiaries. And so it's going to be an interesting interview. So check this out. So where were you raised?

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And you've already made the decision that this is going to be my career. And periodically I'm going to go to prison.

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Oh, I didn't realize it.

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All right. Okay.

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I'm always yelling at him. I mean, yeah.

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Almost a year.

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That's horrible.

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I'm like, hey, what are you doing? They're like almost stopping.

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We gotta go to the gym soon. I'm like, I feel like I've been here 10 minutes.

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It's like, bro, you're a big cropper.

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Yeah. They're giving you a Christmas bag. Uh-huh. They have a Christmas tree in the unit. Oh, my God.

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And I go, nah, bro. I said, it's okay.

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I got a lot of time, bro.

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Like, oh, you obviously, somebody's calling somebody on your phone.

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Dot what? What is it?

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Okay. What did he do for the feds? DEA. Oh, okay.

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He's been known to cure insecurity just with his laugh. His organ donation card lists his charisma. His smile is so contagious. Vaccines have been created for it. He is the most interesting man in the world. I don't typically commit crime, but when I do, it's bank fraud.

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So they trust you.

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So how long did he sit there before they found him?

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No bed checks.

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And he sticks the gun to his... It's the funniest thing you've ever seen in your life.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. So and we'll get there. So yeah. And for context, people watching Ross Mandel, who we previously.

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We had a TikTok about that same topic due to 2 million. Oh, that's fantastic. Yeah. And the guy was talking about the AI. Basically, the healthcare, you know, they had the AI that was denying claims and they knew it was faulty. But the CEO was just like, let it roll. Let it ride. Yeah. So...

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that Tom, when we interviewed Tom, Tom was like, he wouldn't Mirandize anybody because he's like, but they're free to leave. You can leave anytime. But I was thinking to myself, if I'm being questioned by an officer, I don't feel like I'm free to leave.

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And so they couldn't find the $3,000 bribe that you deposited in cash on this day.

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Oh, they're vicious. I'm still waiting for them to somehow or another try and say, we're going to indict your wife. You know what I'm saying? That's always the, oh, we'll indict your wife. You're like, what are you fucking talking about? I can't tell you how many times they say, you plead guilty or we're going to indict your wife. And the guy's like, my wife doesn't do it, does he?

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She didn't know anything. She knew what was going on. Knowing what's going on isn't illegal. Well, you can prove that in court. That's the whole thing is we'll bankrupt you. Right, right. And they have such overwhelming power and the stake. The scale is tipped in their favor so overwhelmingly that people plead guilty to crimes that they didn't commit all the time.

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So how long were you actually sitting there?

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He's probably told this is how you answer it. During that conversation, listen, this may come up. If you don't know what that log is, then you can't testify to it. And then he's like, okay.

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served a jury you know i got jury duty and i called down there and told me i wanted to get served yeah but i was i was thinking to myself boy if i was on a jury i thought everything the prosecution said i would be thinking nah i know what happened right i know what how this works like i know how you manipulate shit yeah um but but yeah they said yeah i couldn't serve

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I'm probably the only person on that entire jury that wanted to get their $26 a day and sit in the jury for the next two weeks on a trial. I would have been the only one that wanted to be there. But the problem is someone like me, I know too much about how they – and now you know too much about how this is. Now you'd be like – Well, now we're felons.

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I call down. They're like, listen, I – You know, I'm more than happy to serve. I do have a felony conviction. Like, you know, no. They say, you don't have to come. Don't come. I said, no, no, but I want to. They said, no, you can't come. It's like, oh, man. They don't want people that know the real story. Right, right. Yeah.

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So when they got to the point where it goes to the jury, they go back in the back, and how long were they back there thinking about it?

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So let me ask you, what is your wife thinking? Are you married at this time?

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And so there's no reason for you to testify.

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There's a camp there. What's that?

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You're going to be mowing the Unabomber's lawn.

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The private investigator, when you say he was just tipping you off, so he just happens, he's in a location where he sees some guy who's drunk, gets in a car, and he says.

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So if they bust them, throw them in the shoe, it doesn't matter. They'll be doing it again the next night. Like it's like these guys just want their check.

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There must have been four or five cops. That were there. Right.

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Yeah. The babysitter. Yeah. Like if they, but, but if they got to have, I was like, well, they shouldn't even have TVs. If you don't have TVs, that place, those people would tear that place apart. Yeah. That, that, that TV occupies so much of the inmates time. Right. And they can control them that way. We're going to take away the TVs. Okay. Well, Wait a minute. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So how long out of 15 months?

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I mean our halfway house here was just – everybody said that it sucked. Everybody says they do in general because like they're constantly counting. They make you clean all the time. Like they're on you all the time. You can't have that. You can't have this. You can't – like they're just – They're worse than being in prison in the halfway house because you're just monitored all the time.

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They're on you all the time. You're like, I'd rather do my time in prison. I was okay there.

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In a prison, at least a federal prison, unlike state prisons, in a federal prison, you really almost have no interaction with the guards. You don't have to talk to a guard except for every once a year if you have team, right? Or they don't call it team. They call it whatever your annual meeting with the counselor or something.

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Like if you get 10 years, their guys have gone basically, they'll go like a year. They'll walk into their counselor's office when they get called in for their annual, hey, this is your annual, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, sign here. Okay, thanks, we're good. And you leave, that's it.

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But you don't have to have barely any interaction with the police, but you go to the halfway house, they're fucking on you all the time, giving you shit, threatening you.

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So they're thinking, what if there are no DUIs? What if it's just a bunch of really, really upper class, nice people that don't get drunk?

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Yeah, I was going to say. Did you ever get tested when you were at the camp? At the camp? No, never. It's funny. I don't know if you got on a list or something. There would be times when it was like I was tested every two or three weeks within –

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you know three or four like like literally within six months i'm tested like whatever five times or something let's say and it's like what the fuck is going on and then you'd go three or four years without getting a test right it was just like and then they wake you up at like four in the morning and then you know they and you know you're dead asleep and these guards walk up bam bam bam and you're like fuck you know they're like cox you got a ua and you're like fuck you know you got to jump down you got to go yeah it was it's uh yeah it's nerve-wracking

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He's from – he's a doctor from the fucking – from like the Navy or that they bring him in, right?

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I know I've listened. I've seen people that not give people their inhalers and they, they ended up dying that night from a massive, you know, um, um, what do you get inhalers for?

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asthma yeah they'll have a massive they're like no i have extreme asthma and then yeah well you know you like like a guy gets there and he's like i need my asthma medication they're like okay well you have to see the doctor to get there no no i brought it with me from the other prison it's in my stuff right i need it i i could i could die and i'm i'm i need it now and they're like no they're like no tomorrow tomorrow you'll get it tomorrow or or really what they do is they say after count

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And then do you have count? And then you talk to that guy and they're like, medical's closed. What are you talking about? It'll be tomorrow. They go to the lieutenant. Lieutenant's like, yeah, I'm not. Medical's closed. Nothing we do. And then the guy goes to sleep that night, has an asthma attack, dies that night. And they're like, they don't give a fuck. They don't give a fuck.

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We used to always say that the leading cause of death in Coleman, which is the low security prison I was in, the leading cause of death was medical. Because they had a guy one time, he went to the doctor on Thursday and said, listen, I got major heart pains. And they were like, I mean, okay, well, you know, you have to come, you have to schedule this, schedule that. You'll be Monday or Tuesday.

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And he, so then the next day on Friday, he went to medical and he said, listen, I'm, you don't understand. This is like, I'm having pains. I'm, I'm dizzy. I'm having pains. They're like, go back to your unit. You can see the doctor will be in on a Tuesday or Monday or whatever. And he was like, He's like, no, I think I need to see the doctor now. Like I need to go to emergency room.

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That's not happening. So go back to your unit. So he goes back to the unit and he's walking and I'm sitting there getting out my coffee. And, you know, you go to the microwaves and heat up your coffee. So I'm getting out all my stuff and I see him walking in front of my cell and all right in front of my cell. I mean, he was a big fat guy.

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And I mean, he slid forward and, you know, he's kind of went back and forth. And you can just, it's it. I knew instinctively that's not him fainting. He's dead. Like the way his body shifts. It's like a sack of potatoes. And then slid, slid and then went rocked. And I was like, there's no muscle control at all. And I was like, holy shit. Like, this guy just died in front of me.

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Then, of course, I stepped over and went to that fucking coffee because I knew they were going to lock us down. They called medical. Medical comes running up. They load him on the thing, that blue, that orange, you know, whatever it is, thing. And they carry him down. They're all like... Everybody, I've got a pulse. I've got a pulse. You don't have a pulse, bro. Stop it.

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And then they said, yeah, he died in the ambulance. He didn't die in the ambulance, bro. They always say that because they don't want to have the guy die on the property. And, of course, everybody calls his family, and they're like, he's been to medical over and over again complaining about this heart thing. So after that, six months after that, they made it.

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A rule where if you said you have a pain in your heart, they take you to the emergency room immediately. They call an ambulance and bring you out there. What year were you in? I got out in January of 2019. Oh, 19. Okay. So, yeah, medical is the fucking worst. So what did you do? Did you have a job or anything?

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Yeah. So yeah, it would be stamps or, or mackerel or, or sometimes just commissary in general. They give you a list. Like I'll give you the list of 20 bucks to go get. Do they have a store guy?

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Yeah, I always remember that. The economy inside of prison, when I actually got to a prison and really saw how the economy worked, I was just like, this is insanity. They don't even talk about money anymore. It's all mackerel and stamps and commissary. Nobody even says, you owe me $15.

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Bro, you owe me, well, it's 15 bucks, but you owe me $15 in commissary, or you owe me a commissary list, or you owe me this, or you owe me that. I need four stamps for that.

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Did you ever appeal or consider appealing the whole decision?

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And that's what you're doing now?

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They're the ones— And now they're wanting you to testify on their behalf?

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The U.S. attorneys in general are just scumbags.

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And they can't be – imagine if nothing – if you were allowed to lie –

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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yeah repeatedly and and you knew it will never i can lie to a judge i can lie to the prosecutor to the uh the defense i can lie to every single person i can lie manipulate do anything i want and it will never catch up with me i will never be charged or lose my lose my license or lose my job as a result of it then how absolutely corrupt would you be exactly they never get charged

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So have you considered trying to get a, an, a, I mean, a pardon from Trump?

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So your pardon went to his crackhead son.

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Like she had to wrap her. She knew she had to wrap her, wrap some stuff up. So she got her rubber stamp out and started denying. Yeah. What? A law enforcement officer?

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Yeah, the definition of probable cause.

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It is funny. You only really learn that lesson once you've been arrested and charged with a crime that you didn't commit. That's when you learn the lesson, and then it's too late. And then all those other people turn on you, and now you realize, wow, I was one of those guys.

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Right now, you've got a pardon request with the Trump administration, correct? Correct, yeah. The first one was denied by Biden, and then I reapplied under Trump. Okay. how long ago did you, did you apply? Like, I mean, is there like a time period or something?

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What is there any place you want people to contact you or or anything you want to meet? Anything you want to mention other than.

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Well, the other thing is, I was thinking to myself that it is odd that he knows the people. But the fact that he's sitting outside of a bar and people are walking out of a bar drunk, that seems reasonable. You know what I'm saying? If you didn't know the guy at all, you just happen to say, hey, I'm sitting here, and I just saw a guy come out of the fucking bar, get into his car.

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He looks very drunk. Like, obviously, that's a good place to be sitting. If I was you, I would be sitting across the street with a binocular. That guy's drunk.

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You want to go back to when you were questioned?

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You know? So if you think... $50,000 a week. So what do you do the rest of the year? Are you just doing bookkeeping? Chilling. Nothing. Oh, I wouldn't do bookkeeping for people.

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Yes. See, people tell me that all the time. Oh, you got a felony. Absolutely. Yeah, you can. Absolutely. Lots of people, they got it.

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So you got out. What'd you do? You went back to school?

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Well, you still had to take the class. Then you still had to take the test. So when you passed all that, you passed. They're supposed to be like, you passed. You're good.

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I've heard people say that they actually had to go talk in front of a three-panel board, or three people would go somewhere, or now they probably do it on the zoo, where they'd go and they'd just ask them a couple questions. They'd send them the same stuff, but they'd ask them some questions. Well, what I'm doing now, boom, boom, boom. I was 21 years old. It was a stupid mistake.

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And they're like, okay, cool. He's never been in trouble since then. He's doing a bunch of good stuff. He's good. Mm-hmm. So you got your license. You're doing all kinds of stuff. Are you married?

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No girlfriend? Bunch of girlfriends. So what happens? How do things progress from there? Uh...

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Yeah, the 2008 financial crisis.

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People are six months behind on their payments.

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So it's a short sale because they're willing to short what they're owed for a sale as a result of them having to foreclose on a property. Because typically a foreclosure, they get about 70 cents on the dollar of what the house is really worth. So the house is really worth 210. They're not even going to get the 210. They're going to get 30% less than that.

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And have to continue to pay the taxes on it. And they're worth... And they've owed 300 grand. So your deal is better. It's better that way. Plus, they get the keys back. People don't put up a fight.

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Yeah. That's all you need is somebody walks in front of a judge trying to foreclose with a couple of little snotty-nosed kids. And they're like... Or they... Bring some kid in with the oxygen masks, you know, and my honor, your honor, my my son is he's on oxygen. You can't throw us out. And the judge says, I'll give him another six months. Give him another year. Give it.

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I think you keep doing that. Like there are people there years they were staying in houses. Yes.

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Yeah, which is obviously, that's different than a loan modification. Did you ever try and do any loan modifications or no?

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That's like 2009, wasn't that later?

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You know what I'm saying? Yeah, because the loan modifications were... where you would go to the bank and say, they'll restructure the loan, take all the payments, put them on the back of the loan, lower the rate, and then they'll start paying again, but they can't pay $2,000 a month. They can pay $1,500. And the bank would remodify the loan and say, okay, we can do that.

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Sometimes they reduce the rate. I mean, not the rate, sorry, the principle. Sometimes they say, you owe us $300,000, but the house, you're right, the house is worth this. whether it's your fault or the economy, whatever, we'll refinance it essentially for 110 and make the payments on 110 on the better interest rate. And then suddenly it's something they can pay as opposed to just leave.

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You didn't have nothing. I was busy.

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So how long? So this continues until what? Until today and everything's great and I appreciate you stopping by?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Is this all IRS or was FBI?

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Well, why did they come in? You just, you said with five minutes earlier, you said I had all these businesses. Everything was 100%. Well, I was getting people back bigger refunds than what I was supposed to. So how did that, how did that happen? And how did that first, how did that first start? It was the first time you did that. And you know what I'm saying? Like, How'd that happen?

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That they came to my office? No, no, the first time that you started doing the...

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Now, I did have some clients that- It was very standard. It was bop, bop, bop. It was just, you put it, they give it to you, they put in the information, this is what it is. Right. It's normal. That's perfectly legal.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Your mileage on your vehicle.

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Did that answer your question? I mean, yeah. I'm wondering, like, so you're fudging the numbers a little bit.

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I'm straight up lying, man. Well, I mean, we talked about it. I was like... So you're doing that. And then what happens? Like the first year that happens, you do it and nothing happens? And you don't hear anything? So you feel good about it? Like you become emboldened? Like to me, every time I got away with something, I became emboldened. Ain't no question. Oh, I'm just so good.

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They didn't even care. Oh, I'm good. Now I keep pushing that envelope and pushing it.

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They're saying that they've looked at the numbers and they're right. Like, aren't they taking that liability? It's supposed to be.

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Yeah, I know. I remember a guy that. he got in trouble one time. He was just a general contractor. They said the same thing where he, he put the pitch of a roof on different, like the customer was like, no, no, I want that roof to pitch this way. He was like, yeah, yeah, but you're supposed to do this. They said, no, no, but I want it to do this.

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And then, and he was like, and the guy's like, well, I mean, I'm paying for it. You guys, he's like, okay. So he pitches the roof. And what happens is, There was a rainstorm and something got clogged and the roof fills up with water and it collapses and the guy sues him and the insurance company sues him. And he goes in front of the judge. He says, look, the guy signed a change order.

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He's the one who said this. He signed off on it. He's like, and the judge was like, yeah, but you're the contractor. You have a license. You have the knowledge. This is what you do. Yeah. You knew better. Right. You know, he can say, I didn't know, but you knew.

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so yeah that's that's what i was saying like same thing with like being a real estate agent you'll get in trouble even though when the customer tells you to do something yeah but you have the license you know i'm saying so i can see but how did they get on to you do you know how they got on to you like what was what was the issue that brought it to their attention i don't know man i don't know if it was um

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I mean, you don't say, yeah, I can, but not at this fee.

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Yeah, I was going to say, you would think that would.

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Um, I should have a question. Cause you in on the, uh, the Ian Bick, when you mentioned, you talk about this, the chick coming saying, Hey, I got him talking about the other, uh,

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The black girl that was the FBI agent. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Right now you're saying, I was doing this. I don't know how they got here. They showed up with a warrant. That was it.

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And this is when everybody else is going through the other people have shown up? No, this is early in the morning. Ain't nobody there yet. This is before the search warrant.

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Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So she comes and then how long before these guys show up? 40 days later. 40 days later.

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Okay. So these guys show up, they knock on the door, you're there.

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Okay, well, so you go upstairs or wherever when you sit down with them in the lobby. Like, what do you think?

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Right. No, I'm talking about you. The first two agents... I thought you said, am I wrong?

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I thought they showed up first. I thought they showed up first, showed you the thing, and then later the people with the warrant came.

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Right. Okay. So, so these guys are, but then these guys take you aside.

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I mean, what are you thinking this whole time?

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Well, I mean, do they take all your computers and everything?

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Did anybody else, was it just you or were other people, did you have other people working for you?

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Oh, you never saw her again?

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I paid 75 to plead guilty. Knew I was going to plead guilty the whole time. Told them up front I'm going to plead guilty. 75 grand.

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What? So... So you get the lawyers. You sit down. You have a conversation with them. I know this drags out forever. So you have the conversation with the lawyers. What are they telling you?

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That must be a class in law school. But I'm going to help you. It's one of two things. It's one of two things. They're either doing that... I think you're going to end up in prison or they're telling you, I can keep you out of prison.

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So why are you mad about this? Because you think he's not talking to another lawyer. You think it's a third that he's divulging your personal information.

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Okay. Well, to me, it is a question because it could be the other lawyer. You said there's two of them. Check me out.

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But why would he... Is it mocking? Is it like mocking? Like he's a jerk?

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Yeah, you don't want to fight this.

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Well, so are you saying that you lost it because you lived off of that equity in it?

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Okay. With my money. So the government didn't take it. No, no, no. You were living off it. You were gambling. Right.

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So how did you... What were you... charged with, what was the dollar amount they connected to you?

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How many months? 18. 18 months for $84,000?

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Did you get the three levels? Did you get the two levels for acceptance of responsibility and the timely? You got all three levels. I still did 16 months?

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That's a true story. Something's not right there. Why it ain't right? Not that what you're saying is not right. The fact that you had to go to prison for $84,000 in the feds. I mean, typically that would be... Home confinement or probation. Three years probation.

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Yeah, yeah. Because if it's over 15 years old. So if you told me that that when you were category one, I'd be like, okay, yeah, then maybe, maybe, yeah, 12 months, 12 to 18 months. But look. That didn't even count. I was glad, man.

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Convicted felon? No, no. Convicted felon's three. It's five if there's drugs. If it's a drug transaction. Yeah, drug transaction. Well, whatever it was. It was more than 18 months. Right. And there's no way to break the mandatory minimum. Right. And.

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Yeah. Well, plus sometimes you start to hear other people's sentences. Oh, man. Jesus. This guy got eight years. This guy got 14. This guy got 20. This guy's been here for he worked his way down to a camp. He's been locked up, you know, 15 years and he got another six years to go. And you're like, oh, my God. Right. Right. Like, how did you how did you have you got through that?

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You know, because even when it doesn't matter, everybody's always, you know. No matter how much time you get, it always feels like a massive amount of time. It always feels like, oh, my God, how am I going to do this?

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Once I got used to it, I liked the... You know what I'm saying? I liked that everything was... The structure. Yeah. The structure of everything. Like I was, I got into where it's just programming. Yeah. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Where it felt like the time started just, but it took years to get there. Yeah.

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Years before I finally, you know, I would say it, you know, whatever first six months or so it's, it's, it's kind of, you lower your expectation of life. And once you get to that point and you start just enjoying normal things that you can do, it's not so bad at that point, but it takes a while to get there.

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If I didn't need the money, I would have skipped the halfway house. Because it's such a nightmare. But I had no money. I have no money when I get out, so I have to... I know I need to work six or seven months to try and get enough money because otherwise you can't just let me out on the fucking corner with no money. I got nowhere to go.

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But I remember thinking if I had 10 grand waiting for me, I'd be like, no, no, I'll do all my time here. I don't want to take halfway house.

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Yeah, yeah. Or the gray sweatpants.

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Yeah, they're not letting you leave with that outfit. They're going to put you in some almost like just... Have you ever seen the blue jeans they give you? Nah. It's something that you... It's like a hobo. They're literally hobo pants. Like if you laid them down, they're exactly like, they look like like two rectangles.

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Like they're straight down rectangles where they had two rectangles for the legs and someone's, you know, they... It's denim material. It looks like something that somebody in the 1930s during the Depression would be wearing practically with a tie or something.

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I mean, it's that bad because I've seen them, and I was in R&D when I was packing, not packing my stuff, but preparing to do stuff, and I saw those pants, and I was like, thank God. Somebody mailed me some blue jeans. Everybody needs a good pair of jeans. What I like about the Perfect Jeans is that the moment you put them on, they feel like sweatpants. They don't ever pinch or bind up.

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As a matter of fact, they're super stretchy. There's never any point where you feel like they're binding up on you or they're tight or they pinch you or anything like that. They're comfortable in pretty much any position that you sit in. They're really great. They're comfortable and they look great.

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They adjudicated the sentence or what do they know? What do they call it? They expunged it or there's a name for it. I don't talk about.

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So is your son's mom, are y'all cool?

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Okay. What do you do from there? I mean, do you have a plan to start working, to go work for somebody, to do something? Because you're on probation. You got out on supervised release, right?

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Jesus, you had a, he was taking it a little serious, wasn't he? This is the fifth month. For a guy on six months probation, you're following him?

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You just came up with it, walking down the road, came up with it?

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How much are you making a week after?

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This is a horrible story, by the way, so far. I mean, this part of it.

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Do you still run that today?

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No, I mean, just in general.

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Okay. How long? I mean, is that the only thing you're doing? So at this point, I'm... This is still 2016, right?

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I was gonna say. If you were about to tell me, and so that worked, I was gonna be like, I don't know what happened there.

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So, and, okay, so, but now, where are you now? You're just doing the, just the YouTube? Right. Or are you doing anything else?

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And your son, does your son stay with just you or you share custody?

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Yeah. So were you happier now or before prison?

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I was going to say, must have got rid of the bullets too. Ain't no question. Did you ever meet anybody? I've met guys in prison for, I know a guy that got 15 years for having an AK-47 bullet in the trunk of his vehicle.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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because he had he had like three chart whatever it was the mandatory minimum for armed career uh criminal and he he had already been to jail twice for drugs and then he got pulled over one day and they searched his car and they found a bullet that's it 15 years that's crazy so i was gonna say so i got rid of mine man i had the whole bag man that was a blessing man

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motion to suppress wiretaps and the interviews and did you see did you see wade uh uh shout out to wade williams uh at crime and entertainment shout out to wade yeah did you see the one he did with my buddy pete i saw that one yeah i saw that one shout out to wade man for hooking me up with you man appreciate you yeah i love wade everybody loves wade yeah i saw that one

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Wade's wife thinks I'm cool, by the way, because whenever we go on vacation, and I only do this because of my mom. Whenever I go on vacation, I always send postcards to people. Nobody does that anymore. Apparently, they don't. I don't know. I thought that's what you do, right?

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And so Wade, every time I've gone on vacation, I send him a postcard. And so his wife gets the postcard. Did you hear this? His wife, first time I sent the postcard, she's like, what's that? He's like, oh, Matt went on vacation. She sent his postcard. And she's like. She said, she goes, she is the thief. And he goes, con man. And she goes, the con man. And he's like, yeah.

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And she goes, he sent a postcard. And she like reads it. Like, and I wrote, I wrote something. Like I write a little thing.

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She brought it to school and showed her classes. Do you guys know what this is? This is a postcard. And she explains it to people. And the kids in the class are like, why would he do that? She's like, to say, hey, I'm thinking about you. Wish you were here. Here's where I'm at. And they're like. Took time out. Yeah. That's like posting on Instagram for them. Right, right, right.

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And they're like, I don't understand. But so I send them. So now, of course, I definitely do it every time we go anywhere. Right. We got to go get postcards. We got to send something to Pete. And Jess is like, all right. But so she thinks I'm super cool. She said, she said, she's for something like, I forget what she said. This is probably not what she said. She is for what?

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She said for just how can such a sleazeball or something? She has had such an old soul be such an. And he's like, what? And, you know, wait. How old are you, man? I'm your age. We talked. Sixty nine. Six.

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69 you're not 69 1969 no we talked about this two days ago i forgot i forgot i forgot i was in july i will be 56 right right so you're six months older than me right no not even that you're only a few months older right right right it's coming up fast bro four months um Yeah, we talked about the whole thing. We talked about going to prison.

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We talked about how I was like these guys with how they have the different priorities and they think, oh, it's money's money means everything. It's like, no, no. I know guys that probably could be multimillionaires, but all they want to do is like they're married and they have two kids and they teach their kids little league team. That's all they want to do.

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And if you said, yeah, yeah, I can get you a job. Yeah, I know. But on Saturdays, I do this. And you're like, no, no, but you'll make this much money. They're like, I know, but I teach my kids Little League. Like, that's it. That's cool.

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We got time. Listen, I know multi-millionaires. You've heard this.

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Okay. So why'd you leave there? Did you go start your own thing?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You can't trust anybody. When you have money, you can't trust anything that anybody says. They're all yes men. You know what I'm saying? People become... They tell you how great you are. Yeah. That's a mistake. To surround yourself by yes men, that's a sure way to end up going down. The other thing I was going to say is if you gave me $10 million right now, I'd still do this.

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I still like doing this. Yeah.

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Well, even if you don't get the number, you might get the next one and the next one. It's just a numbers game. There you go. You're going to get somebody's numbers. You're going to get one of the numbers. You can't be afraid to fail. My man. My man.

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Yeah, I was going to say, that's winning the battle. There you go. The no, that don't mean nothing.

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My man. Yeah, I always say, like, I don't mind failure, but I do mind not trying. Like, I'll try and fail all day long.

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Yeah, we got to end this. We got to end this story.

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Oh, bro, I get choked up all the time. This is about the worst part of these fucking things is the end. My man. Well, because the starting over was, you know, so fucking hard, bro. So hard. And picturing you. And it's nothing about you, you know. It's picturing you walking down the street with a bucket, going from here to with a bucket.

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And, you know, I think to myself, I'm sleeping in someone's spare room, bro. I'm lying. I remember this too. I was in the halfway house, lying to the halfway house, getting my job to cover me so I could go see my mother who's dying.

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You know what I'm saying? Like it was just so hard. And so to hear somebody go through the same thing, fuck, bro. You know, it's fucked up. You know, it just always gets me. And it gets me too to hear the way your mindset was because my mindset was the same way, bro. Listen, one time, and I've told this story a few times. And listen, and I felt great about this too, by the way.

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I mean, like at the time, I couldn't have been happier. My ex-wife who knew me, who still lives in the house that we lived in together, you know what I'm saying? That when I left, like I took off on the run and shit. Anyway, had all the apartments, had everything, still lives in that house. Um, she was go, she would go visit because she's a good person. She goes to visit my mom, right?

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She's in a, in a, um, you know, a retirement community, right? Like a nursing home. And she goes to visit her. And one day something happened where she was there and she needed me to drop her off at her vehicle. So I happened to be going and coming and we, she was there and she's like, I gotta, you know, Hey, can you drop me off at my vehicle? I was like, um, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And she gets in my car. I'm just, by the way, just gotten out of halfway house a few months. gets into my little Jeep. I got a Jeep Liberty, little Jeep Liberty, right? This thing's 20 something years old. Like this is like the first one they ever made. Get in the vehicle and we're driving. This is my ex-wife who knew me when I had tons of money. I'm driving.

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And as we're driving, she, she said, can you turn on the radio? And I'm like, uh, And she tries to turn it on and it doesn't come on. And she's like, let's push the button. I go, no, no. I said, boom, boom. Because it had a short in it. I had to hit the dash and it comes on. And she looked at me like she was, oh, my God. And she goes, are you serious? Like that, I said, yeah.

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I said, no, it's cool though, right? Because I'm like Fonzie, right? Like you hit the, you remember Fonzie? And I'm laughing about it. And she's just looking at me and we're driving. And then, you know, it's Florida. And she goes, can you turn on the AC? Because the AC was, the air was on, but it's not blowing. It's just blowing.

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And she goes, can you turn on the AC? And I went, and I hit the button and roll her windows down. She goes, you can't turn on the AC. And I go, that is the AC. I said, oh, I said, you mean like, Oh, I said, the AC on the car. I said, oh, no, no, that's for rich people. I said, this is how we're rolling. She looked at me and she goes, you have fallen so far.

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And you know what? The chicks that got in that vehicle.

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Oh, you can't believe anything them other chicks say. The chicks that are getting into the Audi with you. You can't believe nothing they say. Right. But I could, yeah, definitely.

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Was the celebrity guy we talked to the other day? Which one? I want to say, I don't remember if this was on camera or not. I think this was off camera, but we talked to a guy the other day that his son was upset with him. The main reason his son was upset with him was not because what he did, not because when he went to prison, but because his son felt like... You pissed through my inheritance.

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Like I could have, I would have ended up with, That money. And now you're working at like a drug rehab or something. And he's like, you're like, you're never going to have any money. And you're when you, you know, I'm never, you're not going to be able to leave me anything. It was just like, fucking serious. Like, I mean, I, you know, it's just like, that's that, that to me.

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And, and the kid says it like, he doesn't think there's anything wrong with it. And I'm thinking like, Horrible.

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He was raised with the money.

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So he's just, in his mind, he always expected that I'd be getting this money or whatever. That's what he equated his life to.

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And of course, you know, he's upset with his father over it. It's like, are you, like, bro, like... That money is not your problem. You've got a bigger problem than not getting that money at this point because that's your whole life is money. Obviously, that's what you're you're more concerned about the money than the fact that now you have your father back in your life.

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Like, boy, you're your priorities. This kid's got a fucking world to hurt ahead of him. So, yeah. I'm asking you less. Can we wrap this up? Can we? Are we?

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Or do they all have the same? What's the handle on all of them?

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What was a, was multiple business or just what's, or one business? What'd you do?

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Business brokerage, so you're selling businesses?

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Because you know what these companies are looking for.

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So to me, I'm thinking, so I go in, I cook the books, make it look like what they want, but that's probably not what you did. You probably had a different tactic. No, no, I didn't do that. So how long did that last?

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Yeah. It's funny. I, I have the company next to my, or there's an insurance company or agency that was right next to my mortgage company. And the, the girl or secretary, I don't know what she was. She worked there. She worked for this guy selling insurance, right? Yeah. And, but for two months out of the year, she did taxes. You know, she's a H&R Block approved, whatever.

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And I remember I asked her one time, because I used to go to her when I had clients that had

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10 40s and you know they'll they'll make 150 000 a year but they're telling the irs after the write-offs are making 15. right so i go to her and be like listen i need to fix this so that this guy it looks like this guy's making 90 000 a year after the write-offs and she would i'd pay her 50 bucks she'd fix them give them to me

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But I remember I asked her one time, I said, because literally for those two months, they would put a sign up saying they're doing taxes. And I was like, I don't understand. Will you do taxes? She said, I said, what do you make doing that a couple months out of the year? And she said, honestly? I was like, yeah. She said... I make about $40,000 working for Ron or whatever the guy's name is.

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And she said, during that two or three month period, she said, I make another $40,000. No question. So she was in three months, she was, or two months, she was doing this. So she's like, I'm making 80 to 90,000 a year.

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Well, the first trial, they weren't allowed to let in certain testimony too, right? Or certain items of evidence, right?

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So I've watched like five videos on it on YouTube. And that's really the extent of my knowledge on the subject. You know, like, I don't know too, too much about, I understand they wouldn't let like cameras in. That's correct. So it's something like there's a lot of videos. There's some videos of him maybe walking here, walking there, but that's pretty much it.

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Yeah, I was going to say.

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Do you think that was the defining difference between the guilty and the acquittal?

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How long did the trial go on?

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so I listen. So I, I, I, you know, it's, I don't know. It's hard for me to, you know, one minute, I think so. So, I mean, and I'm sure this is, I'm sure this is not the right thing to say, but you know, It it always kills me because, you know, I just always remember these cases where do you remember the case where the guy was? He was basically he was like a high school football star.

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He was he had gotten that. Full scholarship to some college and a girl in high school. This is he was he was a senior. He was just about to graduate. And another girl in in the high school went to winter winter, whatever the school nurse or whatever, and said he raped me. Yeah. You know, he raped me in the elevator or wherever it was.

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And, you know, I tried to scream and he choked me and he this and that and went. And so he went to jail for I don't know how many years. I don't know if I was 12 or 13. I forget. Maybe it was seven. And then he got out and she actually hit him up on Facebook. And. And essentially on that, he asked her, like, hey, like she acted like, you know, oh, yeah, I'm sorry about that.

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Did you want to, you know, Hey, I always think about you. How are you doing? Like, he's like, what's going on? Like she asked, he's acting like I said, I'm sorry. And then she came over and he videotaped her saying that she had made the whole thing up because she'd seen the news about another girl who had been raped by a high school student. And they tried to sue the school in that one. And then,

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happened on school grounds so the city or the school board didn't have to pay. So she decided, I'm going to make an allegation. But I'm gonna say it happened on school grounds. Right. And so she sued and she got whatever, two and a half million dollars. He went to prison. And so she had this whole conversation with him, openly admitted the whole thing. Nothing ever happened to her. Sure.

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Statute of limitations was up. You know, she may be a pariah, but the way the world is now, but half the women out there think she's cool. Oh, wow, she got paid. But the fact is this poor guy ended up going to prison and he didn't do anything wrong. Right.

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So the basis of the story is that like 20 years ago, 15, 20 years ago. several women in Scientology that were in Scientology with him, uh, made allegations of, of him, of, uh, Danny, whatever Masterson, I'm not sure what we should call it. Masterson sounds more ominous. Uh, Masterson, uh, you know, whatever, force themselves on them or rape them, drug them, uh, various different,

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I know, you know, and I also, I met a guy in prison who, you know, whether his story is true or not, it was a whole, met a girl in a bar on a cruise ship, had sex with the girl, and she ended up saying she was raped. So it was the same thing. Actually, there was like three guys met her in the bar and they went back and they had sex. And during the course of the investigation in his case,

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trial his lawyer found out she had made false rape accusations on two other occasions but she sued the cruise line and made some money and she was just an opportunist well he ended up going to prison the other two guys didn't end up nothing happened to them for some reason I forget the reason I'm not sure if there was no they didn't find the DNA and they only charged him

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They also only charged him because he was married, he thinks. And he's like, so I couldn't, it's not like, you know, I couldn't, he did go to trial, but he said it just looked even worse for me, I guess. So, you know, I think about that and I wonder to myself, you know, I wonder like if this guy is being targeted. But then I also think, wait a minute, this is over a long period of time, right?

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It's not like these people, these women knew each other.

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Right. So it's not like it's a cash grab. It's not like you can say, hey, you could. I mean, to me, that would be like my defense if, hey, we all went to the same Scientology church. We were all friends. At different times, we've known each other. Like, hey, maybe they got together. I'll give you an example is in Coleman. My wife, met her in the halfway house, by the way.

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My wife was at the camp at Coleman, the female camp. you know, when we were in the halfway house, she was telling me just how insane the women were there. And she was like, listen, she's like, they're having sex with the guards. Guards are bringing them in like, you know, gifts. They're meeting them, you know, in the woods. They're bringing, you know, it was just, it was just a free for all.

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And she said, you know, the guards would, would the guards, she said, the guards like know who to kind of try and And she said, and there were actually women that were getting into fistfights over who's going to, like, hey, I'm dating him. That's my boyfriend. Like, that guard's my boyfriend. Doesn't want the other girl sleeping with the same guard she's sleeping with.

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So these women are, according to my wife, we're actively seeking out relationships with these guards. Now, at one point, This one woman, just as, I think it was about a year before my wife left, she actually was detained and brought to a separate jail and questioned about these women, multiple women having sex with guards. And she was like, look, I don't know anything.

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She was like, one of the girls she knew specifically was sleeping was actually her roommate. And she's like, but I didn't want to get her in trouble. I didn't want to say anything. So she just, I think she didn't really say anything.

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types of assault. Sure. And, and, uh, then from what I understand that then, then they went to Scientology and suggested they wanted to press charges and they kind of, you know, persuaded them not to, or made a veiled threat that they would be, you know, excommunicated or I forget the term they use that they were like,

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Well, what happened was after she realized just before she left that there was one of the girls that was getting all of the other girls together and saying, we need to sue Coleman and say that these guards are raping us. Now, According to my wife, she's like, they were not being raped. They were actively pursuing these relationships.

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Now, based on the law, it doesn't matter whether they want the relationship or not. An inmate cannot consent to a sexual relationship with a guard. It's rape.

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He'll try and migrate toward the other, probably more the white collar criminals, and they'll either shrug him off or they'll be like, yeah, all right, you went to trial, you're saying you didn't do it, whatever. But eventually within three months, he'd be okay. In the federal system, that's not going to be like that in the state system.

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Right. But here's what happened. They got together. Several of them got out. I think there's something like it was maybe six or eight women. I'm not sure. I'd have to look at the article. They even contacted my wife and were asking her if she would be interested in testifying. And she was like, testifying in what? They're like, oh, yeah, we're suing. We're suing them. We may go to trial.

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We're getting girls that will testify. And she's like, I'm not testifying on y'all's behalf. Like, you're accusing these guys of rape. And then, of course, they're saying, you know, well, based on the statute. She's like, based on the statute, nothing. I don't care what the statute says. You guys didn't say the statute in your lawsuit. You said you were physically held down. You were raped.

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You were threatened. This guy trapped you in a room. You were terrified. Like, they turned it all around on these guards. One of the guards actually drove his car into the parking lot, stuck a gun in his head, and blew his head off. I mean, you know, like what they what the guards did wasn't right. But, you know, like, I mean, I don't think you should get a rape charge for that.

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Regardless, they got together and they saw a cash grab. And I don't want to say it was like 10 or 12 million dollars these girls made. Yeah. By putting themselves in the situation, is it different? I don't even know why they settled. To me, it seemed pretty... If I was a BOP, I would have gone to trial. It seemed pretty obvious.

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And they certainly, if they'd done any investigation at all, they could have found other women in the prison that would have said, absolutely not. That's not what happened. But they buried it. And let's face it, it's just taxpayer money anyway. But this is a completely different case. This is... You know, like you said, it's over the course of a decade or so. These women didn't know each other.

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So it's not like, yeah, that happened to me, too, 10 years ago. Did you tell anybody? No, I was scared. I didn't say anything. No, no, I did say stuff. Yeah. And then they had the evidence to back it up.

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Okay. Yeah, I remember they had sued several people like just like a couple decades, 20 years ago or something. Yeah. You know, I think one of their like local bases is in Clearwater, Florida.

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This is a great racket, though, you got to admit. I mean, like, to have pulled that off.

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Right, exactly.

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What? Okay. Yeah. So with that in mind, they were like, yeah, I'm just not going to say anything. And then what was the deal with the one woman who actually received a settlement from him, from Masterson?

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And what he made are all the new members buy it.

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Sorry, it was a tangent, but I thought it was interesting. I actually, yeah, I, yeah, that's, it's very much a money-based religion. I mean, and they definitely pursue, it's funny, like, you know, Catholicism, like they're going after the poor. You know, it's like, that's not a winning strategy. It's not a good business model, but yeah, they're going after the rich. So,

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Okay, so they allow in this testimony from Scientology, and they allow in discovery and evidence, and they're able to figure out that there's a pattern of conduct here, and Masterson is found guilty. It's a bad day. Even if you did it, it's just a bad day. This is a bad situation.

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So he's probably looking, so he's looking at, and I'm not sure how California works because when I heard 30 years to life, I thought he might get 10 years because in the federal system, they'll say he's facing 20 years. It's like, wait a minute. The statutory maximum is 20 years. But yeah, I watched a video and they were like, oh no, that's not how it works in California.

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First of all, if you did 30 years, my God, it's 30 years.

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He's 47. He'll be 77 when he gets out.

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Listen, listen.

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I was going to say, being a sex offender in a state, like in a federal system, they'll send you right to a low where there's a bunch of sex offenders. You'll be around a bunch of like-minded individuals, and it won't be that bad. It's not going to be great. People aren't going to be rushing to make friends with you, but there will be

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Out of 2,000 guys, there will be 700 or 800 guys that are there that have some kind of a charge similar to that. And so their numbers are big enough that they can sort of self-preserve. Exactly. Because of the mass. Right. Now, the problem with him is that he'll go in saying, that's not true. And so he'll try and migrate toward the other, probably more the white-collar criminals that

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And they'll either shrug him off or they'll be like, yeah, all right, you went to trial. You're saying you didn't do it, whatever. But eventually within three months, he'd be okay in the federal system. That's not going to be like that in the state system.

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Right. Oh, yeah. And there there's some there are in the federal system, there are horrific individuals that will they will try and defend themselves. They will argue with with you about like they'll start talking about like in other countries, it's OK. It's for the age of consent is 14 or the age of this or, you know, 100 years ago, this would have been normal. It's like, what are you doing?

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Like, maybe just don't talk about it. You're not making anybody feel better. Just because you could have married her on the Titanic, it sank. See how well that went for him, right? So, yeah, he's going to have a hard time. Listen, right now, probably the first 90 days is just horrific. I actually have a friend that does legal work for inmates, federal inmates, and so his name gets passed around.

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And so he basically, he'll file motions for you. He's not an attorney, but He'll file motions for you and your family pays him very little money, but certainly not what a lawyer. A lawyer might pay $15,000. You pay a lawyer $15,000, might pay him $500 or $1,000. And honestly, probably get just as no offense to your profession. No, I get it.

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I was going to say, well, anyway, real quick, I was going to say, and then I'll get back to that. So here's the thing. My buddy actually knows several women that are locked up with Elizabeth Holmes. And the women that he's doing legal work for have been like, oh, she's in rough shape. Yeah. You might.

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She went from a mansion straight into, you know, granted, it's like it's a camp, but it still sucks. And they said still hard time. It is. I mean, look, any time away from your family and friends. And very uncomfortable. As much money as you can try and pump in there, in the end, it's still a shitty mattress, hard plastic chairs, everything's made of concrete and iron.

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It's just not a comfortable environment. So they said she is miserable. Walks around, doesn't want to take a shower. She's shuffling. She's mumbling to herself. They said she spends all of her time on the computer. And you can only go on the computer for like 15 minutes and you have to wait 30 minutes. So she goes on for 15 minutes and 30 minutes later, boom, she's right back on it.

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You know, she's using all of her phone minutes immediately. You can only get like 300 a month. They're gone in a few days. So but so I was going to say right now he's he's definitely going to go through it. The other thing I was going to say is the nice thing about the prison lawyers is.

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You can basically, these guys, let's say there's 12 legal computers that are connected to the federal legal system, which is a version of Pacer. You don't get all of what Pacer has to offer, but you get a lot of it. They only give you so much. But you've still got 12 guys on those computers, not 24 hours a day, probably 12 to 14 hours a day. And as soon as anything is found,

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Any new law, any new anything, any new avenue of relief, it circulates throughout the whole prison. As soon as anything comes out, and as soon as one person gets a motion that gets relief, everybody's getting copies and reading it. So even though you're limited,

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Your ability to get that information processed and circulated, you know, come back to you, especially if you're a guy that does legal work. The other thing is you're mass producing these motions. So you're doing them for virtually nothing. So I'll do your motion. You give me a few hundred dollars. I do the motion. You have your family put it on my books or however you want to pay me in commissary.

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Get me some wham whams and some powdered milk and I'll do the motion and you put it through. And, oh, you know, the government comes back and you go back and they come back and then you do back and forth and then it fails. Okay. And then they tell you why it failed. Well, now the next guy that comes in had a similar case. You know, that one didn't work last time. So you do it again.

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Do you throw enough spaghetti against the wall, right? Like something's going to stick. I'm not going to get out of that saying, but these guys get, they're mass producing these briefs and they figure out what works. And so, so they get a lot of practice.

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What's so funny is, so I don't know if you know much about my case. You know, I got 26 years. Right. 26 years and four months, 316 months, which by the way, the calculation for my lawyer, when she did the calculation and the judge said 316 months, my lawyer looked at me, she goes, that's 20 years. And I went, that's 26 years and four months. That's sort of the fastest calculation I ever did.

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Yeah. So I got 12 years knocked off my sentence by filing two 2255s. Now, 2255, the ratio is out of every 3500 that are filed, one gets relief. And I had two filed. One got me seven years off and one got me five years off. So, you know, like it was impossible, but the guy that, it was just an impossible situation. Like I, but the guy that did file those for me,

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was running a mid-sized law firm out of that prison. He had probably six people typing up motions. He probably had another eight or nine people doing research for him. He had guys that he called his associates that did things like divorces, child custody battles, got state detainers taken off of people, filed lesser motions, and then he handled all the 2255s and... and appeals.

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I forget what those are called in the federal system. And the certificate of- It's probably a motion for post-conviction relief. Right. So he was, and listen, he knew all the statutes. He could just quote the statutes for you. It was insane. But he was mass producing these things. It was insane. Yeah.

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Right. I was going to say he you know, the other thing is like, you know, you graduate law school. You're not ready to go into a courtroom. No. You know, so but these guys, they they could literally walk out of prison and go into a courtroom and because they've they've done so many briefs, so many motions, so many. I mean, they've done so many.

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So it's like when I got my my license to be a mortgage broker, like, yeah, I have a license. I couldn't fill out a loan application. I don't know what exactly they're looking for. I don't really know how to put together a loan submission package. I just know that an FHA roof is supposed to last seven years. I know a bunch of rules that really don't help me.

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originate loans, fill out applications, put together packages, submit loans, do a punch-out list for stipulations from an underwriter. I don't know any of that, but these guys do. They've done all those. Now, walking into a courtroom, they might not know

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know where they're supposed to sit maybe some of them some minor procedural things but yeah they've they've represented guys they've gone back and forth back and forth and they've done it in the hardest way they've done it through the mail yeah they've done it using phone calls and stamps and making copies and um whereas lawyers now you know they write it up and they submit it online and you know it's much easier

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No, no, no. It's a huge ordeal for these guys. Yeah. What's so funny is at one point, the government, in my case, they filed something on like a Monday. I received my copy in the mail on like a Wednesday for mail call at four o'clock, maybe Thursday at four o'clock, whatever it was. And I remember Frank wrote a motion, had it typed. Frank was the name of the attorney that represented me. Sure.

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And he was obviously in prison too. He read the motion, filed a motion, had it typed up and back in the mail within a couple of hours just because The government had requested something from the court. They put in what's called a Rule 35. They put in a reduction, which is what I was asking for, but not what I – there was the minimum. They were like, oh, he wants a reduction.

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They fought back and forth, back and forth. We fought back and forth for months. And then finally they said, oh, okay, you know what? We'll give it to you. Boom, 30 months. And so before the judge could rule on it, we had something back in the mail. So he got it by Monday. And it was basically a do not rule on this motion.

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By law and by this statute, I'm allowed to put evidence in front of the court before you make that determination. Their hope was before Cox even gets this and gets a response, the judge will have already ruled.

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They have magistrate judges, even have magistrate judges. Yeah, they have assistant judges to do all the legwork. Right. It's like, who signed off? This isn't my judge. Oh, this is a magistrate judge. What's that? Yeah. My judge.

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So listen, I'll tell you something. You'll probably appreciate this in a horrible, horrible way. I was locked up with a guy who, his name was, gosh, come on, Matt. His name was... Oh, I really liked him too. Keegan, Jim Keegan. I've talked about this before. So Jim Keegan was locked up and Jim Keegan had come from state, the state of, I don't know where it was, like Illinois or something.

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So they went to, they went to whatever the, I don't want to say elders, but... No, they...

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So he'd come from the state. Jim Keegan... Came and everybody was like, you know, oh, what's your deal? I'm here for commingling fun. Right. So that was his his argument was I commingled funds. It wasn't my fault. He blamed it on his partner, blah, blah, blah. They just hated my guts because I was such a notorious lawyer and I used to represent gang members and I.

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I went to trial like four different times and beat the state in court on murder charges for gang members. And so they just hated me and they were desperate to pin something on me. And this is what they pinned on me. And so so I signed. I took five years. I'll be out in about three years. You know. Well, and so as a result of him being a lawyer.

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Guys, of course, come to him and say, hey, will you take my case? I don't like to do, look, I don't even do federal law. I do state law. I know, but you're still a lawyer. And what am I going to do? Want to go to one of these guys? And they don't really know what they're doing. And so, you know, and he's like, I don't know. Well, how much money do you have? Well, you can't even pay me.

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And so he would put it off and put it off. And it built up so much. There were just tons of guys who wanted to hire him. So he waits for about six, maybe eight months. Now, he'd come from the state system in Illinois, and he'd been doing a ton of legal work. And so other lawyers, other jailhouse lawyers, and even real lawyers would come

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to him and ask him to look over you know review stuff and he'd review that he'd talk to him and these guys have extensive legal background some of these guys went to law school some of them just have been doing legal work for 20 years and he would talk to him and and nobody ever suspected that he was just a con man it would tell people look you know hey if you want your family to look me up have them look me up here you know my name's jim keegan well he was jim keegan jr

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His father was a famous lawyer, and there was tons of stuff on his father who had represented gang members and people for multiple murders and got him off over and over again. So there were all these articles. And so these family members on the street are saying, oh, my gosh, this guy's amazing. This guy. Yeah, we've got to hire this guy. How much will he do it for? And he'd say, look.

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Put $1,500 on my books. Or his brother actually was a lawyer. Send my brother $1,500. because I'm going to work at his law firm when I'm finished or when I leave here. So guys are sending his brother $1,000, $1,500, putting $500 on his book, $1,000 to his brother.

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So he's like, look, you understand that we're not going to be done by the time I leave here, but I'll work on it when I get to my brother's law firm and be in a better position then too. So he wrote a few legal briefs back and forth, and really in the end got about $30,000 to $40,000 out of the inmate. over the next eight months and ate like a king. Yeah. You must have gained 20 pounds.

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And then he got out of prison and went, did go to his brother's law firm to pick up the check. And so what happened was, and just stopped responding to anybody. So there's a ton of guys that have a whole bunch of motions that are halfway in the process of fighting cases. A lot of times they didn't have a prayer. He just took the money and filed frivolous stuff. Anyway, he got out

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And people started writing his brother's law firm. And then his brother wasn't responding. His brother, people, family members called the law firm and his brother was like, my brother doesn't work here. My brother's a con man. What are you guys talking about? He doesn't work here.

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I knew guys in prison that didn't even give Jim Keegan any money, wrote a letter to his brother, and his brother wrote him a check for $850. He's just desperate. He got his brother in a situation. So he took that money, he went out, and he opened what appeared to be a law firm. I want to say in Chicago. I have the article.

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He opened a law firm and basically talking about it was for immigration as an immigration attorney. Collected over the next Eight months to a year, I think he collected almost half a million dollars from illegals that he was filing paperwork.

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Even started printing out fake green cards or fake paperwork from the immigration whatever and giving it to these guys, thinking if they get pulled over and they give them the card and they realize it's fake, they'll arrest them. I don't have a problem. So this went on till eventually he came and he got arrested by the feds again, went back to back to back to prison.

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But I mean, this guy has made a career of pretending to be an attorney. And because of he because he did for three or four years, he did legal work in prison. He could fool any attorney into knowing and into believing that he knew exactly what he was talking about. Yeah.

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Yeah. But I was getting the comment section. I always get guys that tell me, well, if he was a good scam artist or if he was any good at being a con man, he wouldn't have got caught. Everybody gets caught.

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Yeah. Yeah, I was going to say, I know a guy who went 15 years on a Ponzi scheme. Yeah. And it only happened because the housing market crashed, and people started wanting his money. He just couldn't come up with all the money. Like, I don't have $100,000. $100 million. I got about $15 million.

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My buddy actually knows several women that are locked up with Elizabeth Holmes. Oh, she's in rough shape. Yeah. You might. She went from a mansion straight into, you know, granted it's like it's a camp, but it still sucks. So she, they said she is miserable. Walks around, like doesn't want to take a shower. Like she's shuffling. She's mumbling to herself. Hey, this is Matt Cox.

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Yeah. Yeah, listen, I was in prison with guys that had been to state two, three times and beaten the state over and over again. I'm like, well, what happened? I took a plea for 15 years. I'm like, why? They're like, oh, well, the feds stepped in. Did you go to trial with the feds? And they're like, no.

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Are you kidding me? I'll plead to 30, cooperate, end up with 10. Yeah. And make my chances on the street, you know, because all those guys that I'm cooperating, they're going to go to jail. Either they're going to turn around and they're going to cooperate or they're going to get those 30 and 100-year sentences, and I don't have to worry about them killing me.

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Um, So back to Masterson. He's got an appeal. What are the chances he gets any relief at all on an appeal? Oh, probably very little.

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So I was going to say, so obviously, like if he gets a couple of things, he only needs one thing overturned to say, hey, this could have thrown the case and they'll give him a new jury. I mean, a new trial. Yeah.

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So, like, you know, a crime supersedes the nondisclosure? Is that what you're saying?

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You have to prove that it would have changed the outcome.

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Hey, I appreciate you guys watching. If you like the video, do me a favor and hit the subscribe button, hit the bell so you get notified of videos like this. Also, consider joining my Patreon. It's only $10. Also, we're going to leave Zach's link in the description, so don't forget to click on the link and go subscribe to his channel. Leave me a comment, share the video. You know the deal.

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I appreciate it. I really do appreciate you guys watching, and I hope you did enjoy the interview. See ya. And I'm going to end this, so hold on.

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Right. But if I show up, I don't have to testify, right? Like I don't have to say anything. I could sit there and say, I'm not going to say anything. And I'm not going to answer. You could. Yeah, you could.

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Well, and I was gonna say too, that I think a lot of people are like, oh, you can get it covered up, you can beat the case. And usually what happens is, let's say if you're poor, you don't get as good of representation. And I believe that's true, but I mean, you still go to jail. If you were rich, you might end up getting two years. You were poor, you might get 15 or 20 for the same charges.

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But the truth is you both went to prison I'm not saying it's fair that one person got 10 a decade longer. Look at Elizabeth Holmes. For me, her sentence... is outrageously light in comparison to what most fraudsters would get. And it's not like she was the, you know, the CFO of a company that fudged the numbers. This was an active fraud that she knew was a fraud that she took place in.

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And there were, you know, I don't know if it was the 600 or 800 million dollars missing or or lost or whatever. So But still, you know, she did go to jail. She did get a property.

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Right. Imagine how complicated that whole thing would have been to would be to go through. You know, you started they decided. I think the problem with a lot of these guys that are just. extremely wealthy is that they can mount a defense that is daunting.

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If you're me, you took all my money, I have to get a public defender, and my public defender is just not going to be able to mount an adequate defense in my case with the amount of paperwork that was required. But the U.S. government can put 12 lawyers on it. They'll bury her.

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I'm going to be interviewing Zach Morgan. He is a practicing attorney. We're going to be talking about the Danny Masterson case. He was recently found guilty of rape and other related charges, but Zach's going to fill us in on that. Also, Zach has a YouTube channel, and I'm going to let him introduce it. I think it's your...

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Yeah, that was definitely, I don't know if it was all of them, but definitely my experience with the public defenders that dealt with me. And here's the thing, or represented me, because I ended up having three of them ultimately. But yeah, and the truth is, it's like, like I didn't give him anything to work with. Like I'm overwhelmingly guilty.

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So it's not like I can say that, you know, like they, they may have, they may have put things the way your phrase things the way I didn't, I wasn't appreciative of, but you know, nobody's asking me, you know? So like they're saying, Oh, it's 15 million. And I'm saying, Oh, it's 11, Phil 11, you know, even there. And so, I'll spot you four million. It's still $11 million, though. I'm good for it.

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So, yeah, but I hear you. So, yeah, so he's OK. So he was so he's obviously he's actively trying to quash these cases. Back to Masterson. Sorry. He's actively trying to quash these allegations for. A decade. Another thing is how long does the statute go back? Is there a limitation?

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You've been. Yeah, I actually have. It's funny. I actually have a guy that was committing tax fraud and he had done it like 10 years earlier. He did it three years in a row. He stopped for like four years and then he did it again twice.

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And then again, so he had a history of, let's say, doing this six times, but they could only charge him for two because there was that four-year gap that seemed to span... Yeah. A length of time. They were like, look, there was a there was a huge gap. I mean, yes, it is a pattern of conduct. And we can and in the federal system, they could mention it. Right.

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friendly lawyer, Zach or something, but I'll let him introduce it real quick. Thanks a lot. Check out the video. My YouTube channel is your lawyer friend, Zach, L-A-W-Y-E-R. First of all, just for the sake, just to put it out there, I love that 70s show. And I haven't followed this case, by the way. I had no idea up until a few days ago, someone told me and I was like,

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But you can't charge him with or they couldn't. Yeah.

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So, what was it, eight or nine months ago he was, the first trial was, roughly?

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He comes right up to Corporal Layton. He's the first officer on the scene. Yeah. Rolls down his window. Before you even say anything to him, he says, yo, bud, did you call the police? He pulls out a gun. He sticks it right to his head. You hear a 911 call. The corporal says, put the gun down. And you hear the car speeding off.

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He's trying to get out of harm's way because he couldn't get his weapon out, his service weapon out, to engage this guy. Yeah, he's driving.

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He speeds off. And my son pulls up right behind me. He sees all that. This video here is an edited copy. There's another 16 seconds or so added on there. But the AG edited it for their purposes, to fit their narrative.

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No, and that's what you should do.

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Let alone pointing that at the police. Yeah, yeah. Twice. Yeah.

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Yeah, so he has a history of suicidal ideations. He tried to commit suicide too many times to count. He was high on cocaine and methamphetamines, high levels in his system. And prescription drugs. He was possibly, according to the ME's report, possibly hallucinating.

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Maybe in his mind, or it was, like I said, suicide by police, whatever it was.

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deputies are involved in a shooting Hillsborough County should not be investigating that shooting like they have a bias so they have a you're saying that they have an independent body come in and that's the same thing here yeah so I think since 2019 they started the AG's office started any police shootings in the state of New Jersey we will investigate them so it's a separate unbiased investigation

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They come in with the New Jersey State Trooper Shooting Team, and they do the investigation. They came in. They investigated it. No problem. It was just a viable shooting. That was it. And my son went back to work, and he was back to work for almost two years before he was frivolously indicted.

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It was 22 months later. Just a procedural thing. There was nothing to worry about. Everything goes through. This is a criminal. No laws are broken. No policy or procedure to violate it. And if they were, that's departmental. That's not criminal.

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They brought the grand jury in one week and they didn't find anything wrong with it.

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Nothing's good. Everything's good. Bring them back. They bring them back the following week, and they blow up these life-size photos, slow down the video, and then cut it. So it just shows, oh, my son's just getting out of the car, engaging this guy when that's not the truth. Right. So then it's all about how they perform it, how they set up a grand jury.

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Like you can indict a ham sandwich on a grand jury. And they indict them. I said, well, if it was a bad shooting, you're not sending someone back to work for two years. You're going to lock them up. Shortly after the completion of the investigation, you're getting locked up. Is this a new, a new... So it's a new AG, so the first AG, there was an AG there, whatever his name was.

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Right, Krubar Kruel was the Attorney General at the time, and then these... And he clearly said, nothing wrong here, New Jersey Trooper Shooting Team, this is a good shoot, no problem, the Attorney General's office, fine. Matt Plankton, this Gubar guy, retires. He takes over, and he starts going back to old jobs due to the fund of police, police reform.

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You have to remember, a lot of these AGs and people in this office were public defenders who are now prosecutors. So they have an axe to grind with police. And they put it through a grand jury. And the way you set up a grand jury, anything that's exculpatory evidence that's going to clear you, they don't have to use. It's a low level to indict someone. And that's what they do.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They didn't say, hey, we cleared this officer two years ago, justifiable shooting. No mention of that. They don't mention the ME report. The guy was high on cocaine or methamphetamines. They don't use that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They had the—they showed him— They mentioned the gun, but they don't ever show the picture of the gun. Here's the guy's—here's the picture of the gun. Right. You know, they just downplayed Dora and Granger.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'm sure, yeah. It's all prostitution and misconduct. You know, it's all frivolous stuff. Because if you want to be transparent, you would have added all these other things in. You would have said, hey.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, we cleared this officer two years ago. There's nothing here. And this male pointed a gun at the police point. Never mentioned all that. They never say the first officer in the scene, this guy came out and pointed a gun to his head. They don't mention that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It was never, nothing was tampered with. There was no car. There was nobody there. There was no people. It was a fictitious story.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He was still in the military.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Due to the fact he didn't de-escalate the situation and give commands to drop the weapon. Okay. And you don't have to do that. Right. If someone's pointing a gun at you, well, he'd already been told that. Yeah, correct. He was told twice. Correct.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That's part of de-escalation, and that's giving commands. But the AG's office is violating their own policy because it says only when feasible. And commands were given in de-escalation. So what do you have? It's a frivolous charge. A charge doesn't even fit an overcharge.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, once he healed up, he had to do his last deployment and he was deployed and he spent another year, I think in Afghanistan or somewhere he was, for a year and he came back. And then once he came back, he rejoined the police department.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, reckless manslaughter would be like this incident happened and grandma was looking out the door to see what's going on and then she gets shot accidentally. That could be considered reckless. You're recklessly in your actions shooting someone else, possibly. But someone pointing a gun at you, you pointing a gun, that's not reckless.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You're engaging, you know, you're saving your life and your corporal's life and whoever else. That's not reckless.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You have two hours to turn him into the jail.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, the investigators who were on the first case said, we're not bringing him in jail. This is wrong. Right. We're not doing it. So people who are on all the cases, well, I guess we'll have to bring him in. And these other investigators brought him in. They refused to walk him into prison. And they were all apologizing. They said, this should never have happened. This is all politics.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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We told them this is not an indictable case. But they weren't trying to make a name for themselves. So they brought him in. And then they slapped him with three detainers. And I was like, detainers, what's that all about? Oh, they want to keep them in jail for 180 days. Until his trial. Until, I said, they're not going to be ready in 180 days.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know, this is like, oh, we're going to screw you over and then we'll have to drop the charges. But at least we put you in jail for six months.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I think it has to be something like $2,000 worth of merchandise. And that will destroy a small business. So they're not doing it. That's why even here, CVS closed, Rite Aid closed. Oh, Rite Aid closed by us. In Philly. Because they were stealing everything.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So he had to turn himself in. And in New Jersey, they don't have bail anymore. It's either in jail or out. There's no bail. Okay. And a lot of these progressive AGs and DAs, that's what they do in these states. So they hit them with three detainers. And I was like, what's up with the detainers? Like I said, they want to keep them in jail for 180 days and then go from there. Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And they would have to probably dismiss this case because they'll never be ready. And... The lawyer calls us the next morning. So he calls us, and he tells my son, listen, you're going to be in jail. I don't know when we're going to get you out. My son's like, you don't even do this to criminals. I'm a police officer. This is a justifiable shooting. How is this even possible?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He doesn't know he's getting out. He thinks he's going to be in jail for six months. Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Police, the mayor, the city council, everybody.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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We thought they would review it over and say, like, yeah, there is nothing here because there's nothing here. Right. But we don't know. We never...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And I was so mad because I'm like, she wasn't going to hear the motion to have it dismissed. She wouldn't hear a motion to have it dismissed. These lower points like random warnings weren't given. They violated their own policy. They're the only things she would, like, listen to. You know, when they interview you, you're compelled to give a statement. There's a compelling statement.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You have to cooperate with an investigation or you could be terminated. So the next day or whenever he's interviewed, everything's fine. There's nothing wrong with his statements. But you're forced to give those statements, you know, but they can't hold them against you. And people don't know that, you know. But they never read him in Miranda. Oh, okay. They never say, like, you're Miranda.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know, they never do that. So there's a lot of issues with this case on their end.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, he wants them to lose their immunity because slowly but surely, case after case after case was being dismissed or thrown out. Right. All these frivolous cases. And one of the prosecutors on my son's case was involved in a case where he purposely withheld exculpatory evidence and also was arrested.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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In Patterson, New Jersey, only to have that case just recently thrown out. You know, it's just crazy. And so he's not on my son's case now, this other prosecutor.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, it's a dead job right now. One of the best days of his life, this guy would just complied and put the weapon down. Or just left the gun inside his house.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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The suspect's on the phone with 911, so that's how you can hear everything that's transpiring. You hear the corporal tell him, drop the gun. The guy's refusing to drop the gun. My son pulls behind the corporal. My son sees the guy extend his arm, but he thinks he's telling him, hey, the guys who were breaking into my shed just ran across the street.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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On Wall Street.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So he sees the corporal take off and come to a sudden stop. He stops. He says, yo, what's going on? He said, the guy has a gun. Now, this time they're out of the car. That guy fades back into the darkness, and he's standing there. He says, well, who? Because my son don't know who he's talking about. He said, the guy over there.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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My son comes in between two cars, usually for coverage. Looks, and the guy's standing there with a gun like this. The corporal tells me, yeah, drop the gun. Guy don't want to drop the gun. My son illuminates him with a flashlight, identifies it's a pistol, pointing at him. My son engages him. Guy goes down to the ground, still in control of the firearm, still pointing at my son.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He illuminates him again with a flashlight. Refusing to drop the weapon, he engages him again.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No. A motion to have our use of force expert removed. Thrown out. because they can't find a use-of-force expert to dispute any of his findings because their use-of-force expert said this is a justifiable shooting. This officer has never been indicted. This is politics. This case should be dismissed immediately.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So since they can't get a use of force expert to find anything wrong with our use of force expert report.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They filed a motion to have him removed from the case. Right. So now we go back to court January 6th. It's a joke.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And as he's moving forward, he's illuminating him. He doesn't see the gun, but this guy's aggressively trying to reach out for the gun. And on the body camera, my son's telling him, stop reaching, stop reaching. They move up. They get the guy, cover the weapon. My son immediately goes into life-saving techniques, does CPR on the guy, chest seals. The guy's alive.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, one would stop at frivolous indictments. That's the first thing. You know, you can't – you just – if it's a good shooting, it's a good shooting or whatever. And then all of a sudden you send someone back to work years later only to indict them on what? You're not going to go back to work. You're going to be on the shelf –

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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until the investigation is completed, and then you're going to be dealt with. Not go back to work. You're going to put someone back to work who you think is unstable, but they're back to work for two years? Reckless.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And it's majority rules, right? It's the majority rules in a grand jury. So it's 23 people. It was 12 versus 11. 11 said no, 12 said yeah. So it's majority rules. Whereas in a trial, everyone has to agree. 12 people have to say, oh, yeah, guilty. Where in a grand jury, they don't.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They put him in an ambulance, goes to the hospital, and he succumbs to his injuries hours later. Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And why would anyone think a grand jury is fair? Right. You know, if it's only one sided, how is it fair?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Plus, you have to remember, a body camera only tells you half the truth. Right. It's not going to show you everything. So people sit home one week, two weeks, two months, two years, the comforts of their own couch. They're not the person there that's facing a weapon pointing at them. There's no time limit. I have to give you X amount of time to shoot. You already were told twice to drop a firearm.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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How many times do you tell someone to drop a firearm before you engage them? It happens in milliseconds, and that's what happened here.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He was the guy. He was the training guy. He was the firearms instructor, the EMT. He was the guy you want on your team when the shit hits the fan. Yeah, I'm more so curious, how is he doing now? Total opposite. We didn't think he was going to make it through this, to tell you the truth, to be completely honest with you. because this is all he wanted, and then you're deflated.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And everything they put him through, the way he's been treated through the courts, through the AG's office, everything. Everyone supports him, the mayor, city council, everyone. But he's just having more bad days than good days right now. And I think the saving grace is, The birth of his daughter. I think that's really, really helped him through this. That keeps him going.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Besides his in-laws are great. His wife is amazing. But I think the birth of his daughter really is his saving grace.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It would have been a great day if this guy would have just dropped the gun, but he didn't. He wanted a confrontation with the police, plain and simple. Jesus Christ himself who came off of the cross told him to drop the gun. He wouldn't have done it. He had his own plan.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It's a motion for them to remove our expert, our use of force expert, because they couldn't find a use of force, a legitimate use of force expert to dispute anything in our report. Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And in New Jersey, when you're involved in a police shooting in New Jersey, it's not the prosecutor's office. They want an unbiased opinion. So the attorney general's office does all police investigations in New Jersey.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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and then and new jersey state trooper shooting team does the investigation so it's an unbiased uh law enforcement agency doing an investigation right they investigate it and wait a minute well before we get to that because that happens days later i'm sure or the next that day oh that day yes well can we you want to can we watch the body the camera the footage sure do you have a an edited version of it

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It wouldn't matter.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Scammer Explains 20 Scams in 20 Minutes

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yeah the one dollar yeah i'm not yeah you just throw the in it's the iphone giveaway the the 60 inch i just can't believe anybody anybody falls for that and that's the nature of this one um i don't know how i came across this guy it was like a youtuber who uh got taken down or whatever and i was making satire videos on another channel and someone reached out to me but anyways

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, there isn't. No. There isn't. No. There's a plethora of information in the flyer.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Scammer Explains 20 Scams in 20 Minutes

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Nah, bro, you know what?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Scammer Explains 20 Scams in 20 Minutes

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Well, those are specialized orders. Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'd have, Oh, I'd be tripping over, tripping over crap, laptop in the bathroom for you.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Don't sell him anything. Can you imagine you walk up and they go, what's up, Six?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Nope. Nope.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Okay.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Okay.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Scammer Explains 20 Scams in 20 Minutes

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You can call me that if you want. Okay, Tom. And I love Indian and all those people. Yeah, of course. They're awesome. I get it. I hear you.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Friends, Family & a Predator: A Twisted True Crime Case

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Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Friends, Family & a Predator: A Twisted True Crime Case

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So, um,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Epstein Prison Inmate Explains How The Government “Deletes” Powerful People

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Right, right. And I understand that because most people, oh, take the money. But the truth is that, look... You've had money before. Whether you're going to be able to do something with it or not, who knows? But the bottom line is this.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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The money is one thing, but me having to be 60 years old or my kids eventually having to look back and seeing this and they're saying, well, they're portraying your dad as a gay guy. They're portraying this. They've twisted a bunch of weird shit into it. And then your kids for the rest of their lives are going, no, no, but that's not what happened. They did that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So I get saying, hey, it's in a way, even though it's probably not a great legacy that you want, you're not a politician or a lawyer, but it's still your legacy.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Epstein Prison Inmate Explains How The Government “Deletes” Powerful People

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Horrible. I was going to say, what are they trying to, what are they trying to, is it like a 30 minute, um,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Epstein Prison Inmate Explains How The Government “Deletes” Powerful People

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Yeah, yeah. Great, then make one of my buddies have a gay interest, but not me.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Epstein Prison Inmate Explains How The Government “Deletes” Powerful People

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I think having that cellie kill him is more reasonable.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Epstein Prison Inmate Explains How The Government “Deletes” Powerful People

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Um, all right. I hear you. Yeah. Listen, I was on a, I was on a zoom call. So I don't think I've probably gotten as close as you've gotten. Right. Because I've been gotten to the deal part, you know, where it's actually where they're actually offering you money. How much is the budget? How much is this? You know, you get 3% of this, 2% of that. I haven't got to that point.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What I've gotten to is the point where I've flown out to LA. I've gone to the production companies, had the meetings. I've only had one Well, I've had two meetings in person where we sat down at the table with them. One, we were sitting down, they were on a Zoom. And then I've had countless ones where it's basically a remote conversation where everybody's there, they're talking, you're talking.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But you're right, at a lot of times, and we talked about this a couple of years ago when you did the podcast, and you were like, oh, it's a done deal, it's a done deal. And I was sitting there thinking- Bro, you know how many times I've heard it? It's a done deal.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Or what I thought was also, what about the other? There was another inmate in there. Before he was in the box. Telling that inmate to kill him.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Epstein Prison Inmate Explains How The Government “Deletes” Powerful People

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Yeah, but that's the problem. Nobody wants to work with him because he does disappear for three fucking months at a time.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Epstein Prison Inmate Explains How The Government “Deletes” Powerful People

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The problem with Hollywood is that everybody – and it's the same thing – Every time I've had the conversations, you have the initial conversation. They're super excited. Then they say, then they want to talk to their team. Well, I'm going to approach the, we have a meeting with the team next week and they're going to talk to the team. Then they talk to the team and you go, hey, the team loves it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And then it's, we got to talk to Sally or Jennifer at fucking Netflix. And oh, we talked to her in two weeks from now. And then two, and it just, it just goes on and on and on. And then eventually you have another Zoom meeting. And then that goes on for an hour and a half where they ask you all these questions.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And in the first few times I've had the meetings, I felt like, wow, they're really interested. By the by the 10th meeting, they're asking you the questions. And to me, I'm just staring at I'm like, yeah, no, no, that's something. And this is such a waste of fucking time. Yeah, it's the same thing. No, you're right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Epstein Prison Inmate Explains How The Government “Deletes” Powerful People

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That might be interesting.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Epstein Prison Inmate Explains How The Government “Deletes” Powerful People

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I think the problem- This is the government, bro.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He's 71 years old. He don't want to fuck with this.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Epstein Prison Inmate Explains How The Government “Deletes” Powerful People

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Right. And Sammy the Bull.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They're not going to have the energy you guys are going to have.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, Johnny A. Light, he brings in views. He's not, he has a vastly different.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I think the problem is that most conspiracies nowadays- Are real. Seem insane until they're proven real. Like, what is it?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Of course. A-Lite reached out to him when he got out. Yeah. He got him on Vlad.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Did you ever see Goodfellas?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What about, so your boss, your old boss, is he getting, is he out yet? He's dead now. Vinny died. Is it this guy? That's him. That's Vinny. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, okay, he died. He died. Ronnie gets out in 2029. Oh, 2029? Yeah. Oh, that's right. We talked about it last time. I was saying, I thought he was getting out.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Epstein Prison Inmate Explains How The Government “Deletes” Powerful People

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That kind of makes me think of Michael Franzese. Everybody's like, Michael Franzese did this and this and this, but really somebody came to him with the scam and said, this is what we're doing.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It wasn't just him. Do you want in on this? He said yes. He just kind of McConnellized it, turned it into this massive, made it larger.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Epstein Prison Inmate Explains How The Government “Deletes” Powerful People

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I'm sorry. Okay, and that I'll give you. It's too much of a coincidence. Come on. But what I am saying is cameras don't work, guards fall asleep. Right. So, but, and my problem is I would have to be like, how do you, how would you get some, it had to be somebody in the prison with him there to do, to pull that off. It has to be a guard. It has to be another inmate. No, I can see those scenarios.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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More. You know what I'm saying? So when Sammy and the Bull got out, right? So he gets out. They move him. Witness protection, move him to Arizona. Why start up again?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I wonder if anybody's ever asked him. I don't know.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know who Sean Atwood is? Oh, the boxer? No, no. Sean Atwood. He's in the UK. He has a true crime channel. I think so. Maybe. Bald Whitehead. bald white guy, English. Did I do a show with him? I might have. You might have. I don't know. Anyway, he's, you know, he's always said that he was a part of, that his competition in X. in Arizona was Sammy. Could be.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And, you know, initially Sammy came out and was like, I don't know who this guy is. Yeah. Like, I don't know who this guy is. And that's the crazy part. But now he's saying he does. So I'm saying now he's like, oh, okay, I think he was dealing with my son. You know, he's like, I think he might, I don't really know.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Initially he denied it, but now they're actually doing some kind of a documentary together.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, yeah. And he says, you know, well, initially Sammy was like, I don't really know who that is. But the truth is, honestly, I know lots of people that if you said, hey, you know so-and-so, I'd be like, I don't know who that is. And if the guy walked in, I'd be like, oh my gosh, I do remember. I'm bad with names. No, yeah, it could be real.

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For what? They got him on the cover of magazines. I know, but for what? What's he doing? They love this guy. I don't know. I mean, is he doing like, you know, he goes places and tells his story?

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Because you can't get all the way into the prison.

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So I have a question is, and we were talking about this and I had, I think I had some misinformation or it turned into something that it wasn't, but that there's a bunch of articles that right now, so, so El Mayo was grabbed by El Chapo's, one of his sons and brought flown into, where was it? Was he flown into Miami or, or Texas? Anyway, I forget, but so he was flown in there.

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Like they kidnapped him. Basically they kidnapped him, put him on a plane and flew him in. He's currently in, Is he in New York where you were?

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Oh, yeah, he's where I am. MDC Brooklyn. Yeah, and that's what I thought Pete had said. This was in July. He said he's in the shoe. Yeah, they're not going to let him out of the shoe.

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No, he's got to be in his 80s. I don't know.

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77. 77. So he's 77. So an article came out that said he was currently in plea negotiations with the U.S. attorney in New York. And I had heard, although I'm going to tell you I did not see the article, I had heard from someone that said as like a good faith gesture, he had said, and there may be an article about it, I just didn't see it, but He had told the U.S.

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attorney, because they're in plea negotiations right now, that Zimbada's lawyer, through his lawyer, had told the U.S. attorney that That not the current president, the female president of Mexico, but the past two presidents of Mexico were on his payroll. Right. Now, I think everybody probably knew that anyway. I don't think that's huge information.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. But the fact that he said, hey, can he prove that? Maybe. I don't know. These guys are fucking getting killed so fast all the time.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, they locked up the attorney general in – They don't care. In Colombia they – no, not Colombia. What do you mean? The president of Honduras. I was with him. Oh, wait, wait. What's the other guy? No, wait. Where's Juan from? El Salvador? Juan from? Yeah. Yeah. They locked up that U.S. attorney. But they only locked him up for about three years because he gave them so much information.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Then they let him go.

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I think the other problem is he's a narcissist. A narcissist just don't kill themselves. They just never kill themselves. What was the other guy, the guy who did the antivirus thing?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'm saying that's tough.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, yeah. No, they'll take a whole family and put them in.

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So what do you think with, so what about Elmire? What's the best deal he could get? All right, so I'm going to be honest with you. Because he's guilty. He's not going to trial and winning.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. What's El Mayo? What's the benefit for El Mayo? I don't see. I think the only benefit.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, what I'm saying is, I think the best scenario for him is he gets to maybe pick a prison that's sweet.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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There's only six units?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You can only go to six units. His fear is probably, his fear is probably. Oh, Otisville. He's going to end up.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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His fear is probably he's going to end up in ADX. That's probably his fear. Well, if he's cooperating, he won't. Right. That's what I'm saying. That's probably why he's saying, hey, look, can you keep me out of here? Can you get me into this prison?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It does sound crazy because I've looked into enough of this shit.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. No, I don't know what the, I wonder how they can figure that out in order for him to continue to cooperate. Because you know they want him, or do they just fuck him?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Years. If he's cooperating, that's 10 years.

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He's the one that they caught in Mexico with the lawyer, right? Luna or something. They were actually giving information to the- The Flores twins brought them in. Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. But I'm saying they were giving information- The head of the cartel was giving information through his son. First, it was through a lawyer. Then they switched it to the son. They're giving him information on their rivals to have take out the rivals. And they ended up just by accident grabbing him.

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Yeah. So he paid a bunch of money too. Did he pay over like whatever, a hundred million or $200 million? Yeah, who knows?

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You know what I mean? So regardless, you don't think El Mayo's got a chance. Even if you cooperate, there's not going to be much.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. I mean, I understand. I'm just wondering.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You're filthy rich. You're filthy rich. And being wealthy in the United States makes you powerful. But obviously, he feels he's not safe. Like, he knows something that so makes him unsafe.

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Yeah, but there's been so many mob bosses that have done horrible. Killed women and children? Well, I don't know about women and children. I'm saying just in general murdering.

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With the cartel, they'll kidnap your entire family. Yeah, kill the goldfish, the cats, the dogs, everybody. They'll put them in a vat of acid. Yeah. And they'll video the whole thing, your daughter, your son being tortured to death. And that's where... And we send you the video.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I can imagine the government getting all the information they want from him and then just double crossing him. Because I see that happen on a regular basis.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Did you see the movie, The Counselor? No, which one was that? With who? I'll send it to you. I forget his name.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, no, it's not. He looks like Matthew McConaughey.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, yeah. At the end, they kidnap his, like, fiance. Yeah. And he's, like, he's calling up the cartel. He's saying, let me trade myself for her. They're like, that's too late. Like, it's... That's like Sicario. And then, yeah. And then one day he's, he actually goes down there trying to find her and they just kind of ignore him. And then one day, but they know where he is. They're watching him.

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Yeah, I was just thinking about John McAfee. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's another – that's a weird one. They're all weird. John McAfee, he was – and he came out saying, look, if I end up unaliving myself, he's like, it's not because I did it. He's like – because he was about to be – do you remember that? He was about to be – no, he's indicted. He was about to be –

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And then they slip a fucking CD under the door, which he already knows what's on the CD. They videoed the, whatever horrific act they, they.

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put up upon her. And that's real. That's what they do. It's horrible. Oh, you know who is in that? Brad Pitt's in that. Not the main guy, but he's one of the guys.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You were locked up with one of the two Flores.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. Yeah, they never did anything. No, they weren't killers.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. No, mine, it's 14 years in. They should have got time served. Took a bunch of fucking money.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, I'm saying they took a bunch of their money. Yeah, they could have fined $60 million or something like that. Yeah, they worked out a deal with them, and then the government kind of double-crossed them. Great guy. He took care of everybody in the units.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, as opposed to most of the people he's dealing with.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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We can't shoot shoulder. I'm like the military.

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He was about to be brought back to the United States, and he was saying, they know if I get brought back there, what I'm going to say, and I'm going to expose all this, all that. And then within the next day, he was dead.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You're saying he fought Mayweather twice? Yeah. Okay. What kind of numbers did that bring in? Where'd that fight happen? Oh, it was all over the pay-per-view. Yeah, but you guys – you and your buddy, you guys are like – you're like – listen, no offense. I mean you're like regular guys. You watch sports. I don't do any of that. I don't watch sports. I don't watch – Right, so it's huge.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Where is that happening? In Florida. Okay. Yeah, he lives out here. Yeah, so what about that indictment that we just pulled up?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Why? Because he won the trial?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What does that mean, shelf? Like you're just out of the third? You're out. That's it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So you might as well just go get a job.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Go get a job at 7-Eleven.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What you're admitting that there's a family. Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know, it's all fucked up. They don't care. What do they call it? The knock list?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, but you got to get the fight.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Have you considered maybe not saying that and that might help? He's a punk.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And then turned around and said he didn't want to. He didn't want to. Oh, I don't want to testify.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That's what I'm thinking.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What did you think about the Tyson fight against?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You don't think Tyson just kind of.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know what I mean? See, I felt like he just held back. I felt like it's for a rematch. You know how they were saying... No, he can't do it again. No?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You look horrible. Yeah. But everybody was saying... You know, like I was saying, he's Tyson. He's going to knock him out. Like, it's done. It's over. But he didn't. Listen to me. If you bet...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I think that the more time goes on, the more being exposed, for sure.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He's 60 and he's been through fucking hell.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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JFK, where did he get shot from? Did he shoot him?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I would... Well, I don't know. I haven't seen that one. But I'm dying to see what the files show. I don't think it was one shooter. I think it was multiple.

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You know what I mean? We've had inmates where the warden goes and grabs the shot. You have to. And will go from door to door.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I mean, I was in the medium. It don't matter.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I understand, but I'm saying I never saw them do that, but I do know that they would call them to the warden's office, and so they have conversations because what would happen is something would happen at the pen. I was only in a medium. Something happens at the pen. They lock us down at the medium, too. You have to. They lock both pens down, the medium, sometimes the low. Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But we would never get locked down for very long because they realize that they bring the shot callers in. They have a conversation. They go back. Everything's okay because they realize these guys are like, look, we're in the medium. Right. We're not doing anything.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know, when you go into, when you go into, you get moved to any prison. Right. And this isn't just me. It's everybody. Everybody gets talked to by SIS. Of course. I mean, you have medical, you have certain checkups, right? You have to talk to medical. Don't get off the bus. Right. Yeah. So, so you go in, SIS comes in and they're like, um,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And so you're a member of a gang, you're a member of this, if you cooperate against anybody that's in this institution, do you have any separaties against you? They go through the whole thing. And I remember one of the best version I had of this was the guy said, listen, At the pen, we're trying to keep these guys from stabbing us. Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He goes, at the medium, we're trying to keep them from stabbing each other. He goes, at the low, we're trying to keep you guys following the rules. Right. He goes, just follow the rules and you'll be fine.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And I was like, I'm good. I'm a rule follower. I'm good. Yeah. Well, the pen, anything goes. Yeah. Well, they, you know, their guards are just trying to keep, like, I just don't, they just don't want to get stabbed.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. They're in the same unit, 4 North. They're in 4 North.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So if you're in the unit, that means that he might be downstairs, and on the second tier, Diddy might be right over there. Well, this is a dorm.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I was with a bunch of celebrities in there. I've only been in one place that had probably 20 guys in it. And that was when I first got arrested. And it was just like, there was just bunk bed after bunk bed after bunk bed. It sucks.

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It depends, you know? I knew a guy that was fighting his case that was in the U.S. Marshal's holdover for seven years.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, what they're talking about right now, they're saying that they didn't read him his rights when they grabbed his bag. I know. He's going to jail. They're making that argument. He's going to jail.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But that's just about the jail, what it's like for him in jail.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, you don't want to.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They go together. Even the sex offenders that are lying about being sex offenders- They find each other. They still- Find each other. It's like a gaggle of geese. There's like 30 of them, and they create a community, even though half of them in the community- are lying about being there for— I was with a bad one.

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But they still get together.

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I'm going to look something up real quick, even though I know you don't know who this is because it happened so long ago. Hold on. New York police officer that stuck baton in inmate's ass. This is 97, he stuck, he took, I wanna say it was a broom handle in a detainee's ass. I know what you're talking about. Yeah, I know what you're talking about. Of course, that was a famous case. What's his name?

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Justin. There you go. I knew it was a normal, Justin. So I was locked up with Justin. Okay. Justin was the nicest guy. It was in the low. He said... Anyway, yeah, so what happened was... You know, and I mean, he never, listen, he never once said it, but it didn't happen. You know what I'm saying? They found some guy.

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I think his version was the guy they arrested him for sexually assaulting a girl.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And the guy was talking shit. And when they got him back to the station house. They gave him a taste of his own medicine? That's what he said. He said he grabbed a, and I want to say it, I've heard other people say it was a baton, but I'm almost positive he said it was like a broom handle or something. I thought it was a plunger. With a broomstick. It was a broomstick? Yeah. Okay, broomstick.

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It was the wooden part of a whatever. And fucking boom and fucked him up. So anyway, obviously they found out about it, what happened. And he was tried. He went to trial. And he said, look, he said halfway through the trial, they had already offered him 30 years. And now he's looking at like 45 years or something even more. And halfway through the trial, he said, I saw how bad it was going.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And he went and he said, after like the, whatever, two, three days into the trial, he turned to his fucking lawyer and said, can you give me the 30 years?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And she said, hold on. She talked to them, came back and they said, we'll do, we'll take, you'll take the 30. And by the way, the 30 was just for violating his civil rights. Yeah. There was a state case. Yeah. Which... Getting 10 years.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Correct. So he only never had to go to the state. Yeah. So he, anyway, he was, you know, listen, Justin wasn't a bad guy. Right. Justin got married while he was in there. Justin walked at the low, didn't have any real problems. Of course, he didn't really talk to a lot of people either.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I feel like I might have heard that. They did. They stabbed him up.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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yeah yeah that justin justin said he had only had i think one fight the whole time he over his thing no but and it wasn't even over his thing he said it was just an argument between he's like i don't he said it's just an argument you get into an argument the guy pushes you and boom he fucking clocked him and yeah they had a fight he said i've never had he said i've had guys maybe make a crack or two but it never gets very far

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And he was like, and that was like the first five or 10 years.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But he ended up getting married to like some girl. He went to high school and got out. I know he's out now, but he's a police officer. I was locked up with a lot of cops. I was locked up with DEA agents. I was cops.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But you forget about it. It's old. You know what I mean? That's what I'm saying. And, you know, they get to the point where you're sitting there. You might hear about it and you go, oh, my God, I can't believe that. And then everybody else is like, yeah, he's all right. Because they've been with him for 10 years. Like, he's been here for 10 years. Yeah, I can't, though. With those, I can't.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I just can't. What about that? So I already told you about this. The guy who was a part of the team. I think we had this conversation. I told you about the guy who was a part of the drug team that was raiding houses on no knocks. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was there. Never had any problem. The junior.

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I wonder how I was thinking about what actually my wife and I were talking about this the other day. And I was thinking, I wonder, like, at what point does this what do they call it? The dark state or the deep state that at what point? Assuming there is a deep state – and I don't know that there's an actual organization that is – it's not like they all get together.

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Why wasn't he sitting with them?

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So what did he do? He ended up sitting with the Muslims. I don't know why he wouldn't have been sitting with the Muslims to begin with.

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Why are they taking him in? Right. I understand what you're saying, but in the end, they have to go somewhere.

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Well, I mean, clearly you didn't. You know, I understand.

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Why? So why was that guy in the unit?

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Oh, yeah. I've heard this.

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But I do believe in the idea that not all participants of a conspiracy have to know one another in order – as long as all of their interests align. So I think that if there's a deep state, at what point do they say Trump is such a an issue for us? He has to go. And if you do that already. But yeah, but if you know, if you do, I'm saying if they you really get together, you do that.

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No, tried to. He wasn't able to kill himself.

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So I gave him a hard time. Hey, you guys, I appreciate you watching the video. Do me a favor, hit the subscribe button, hit the bell so you get notified of videos like this. Also, we're gonna leave all of Gene's links for his social media in the description box, along with the link to Amazon so you can buy his book. book.

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Also, you guys were considering doing live streaming while we're doing the podcast so that you guys can answer or ask us questions and we can answer those questions at the end of the interview. It would be connected to our Patreon.

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Please let me know if that's something you're interested in and if you'd be interested in joining Patreon so that you guys can kind of interact while we're doing the interview. Thanks very much. See you.

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You can't just get rid of Trump. You have to get rid of Vance. You have to get rid of. You have to get rid of a whole bunch of people that Trump went through. And instead of putting normal people in the government, he pulled those people out and he put people that were only loyal to him. So that means you basically have to go with Trump, with the president, the vice president, FBI director.

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You have to go through and there's got to be 30 people that you have to take out at the same time. How is that possible?

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Where they just had—we just have to grin and bear it.

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You know what I mean? Yeah, but think about it. How powerful he is. For him to say, I think that I could be in danger if I really told what we've uncovered. Yeah. And let's face it. He's basically saying, like, look, my job is to try and— You know these guys have— hit teams that work for them.

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I don't know about a thousand miles. Yes, it is. I hear you, but I hear you.

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45 people committed... If it was 10, it's probably still pretty odd.

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So there used to be like a thing where people would go around and they'd say, if you could spend a day talking to one person, who would it be? I used to say George Bush. Well, I mean, if I could— Only because of the CIA.

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I mean, look, yeah, I've been in those cells. I think guards do. Look, I admit it's extremely suspicious, but the cameras, cameras do that. I hear you. I hear you. But cameras do often not work. I can't imagine. Here's my biggest problem. My biggest problem is not the camera's not working. It's not the guy's falling asleep.

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No, no. And you have— A complete candid conversation.

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They're the real gangsters. That's what you need to do is have a studio where you go in and just talk about... If you just talked about... Listen to him. You talked about current topics, current things that are happening. Just like you were like, no, no, that happened a long time ago. We already know that guy got indicted. You already know all about it. Yeah.

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No, I'm not saying bring it up. Yeah. I'm saying you set something up just like this in a spare room.

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And you set it up. And as topics come up, you do a video. You're like, I know so and so.

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You know what I mean? Okay. The difference is that... Michael Franzese and Sammy the Bull are probably making $40,000 or $50,000 a month. Sammy's doing more. Every time I talk about anything, I'm conservative. Yeah. Let's say it's $50,000. Yeah. $50,000 a month. Yeah. Doing what? They sit down and fucking run their fucking mouth three times a week.

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Did you see Elon Musk on Joe Rogan? Doja's going in. When Rogan asked him about it, well, do you know where that money's going? And then he went, yes. And he's like, well, can you tell us? He's like... The fact that he was doing the whole, I can't tell you. Like, I can't say, like. No, he's scared. But think about it. You're probably, because you're rich. You don't want to go too far.

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Here's my biggest problem with the whole situation is that how do you get someone – like it depends on how you think he died. How do you get somebody else into the entire prison, into that wing, into that cell to kill him with other inmates? You think they can't do it? There's not other inmates. Well, that's what I'm saying. You're in a private area. But he had another cellie in there.

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Yeah. Well, I, I, and I understand. I get that. What would you do? No, I agree. No, I'm not going to, I'm not going down it because the problem is you're going, the problem is you're, and I think you're going down in history as that. So no, that's a, that's a no go. But, but my point is, is that,

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your interaction or the effort that you would have to put it into an actual show, which let's say they greenlit it right now, wouldn't get off the ground for six months to a year if you're lucky. If all the planets align, it wouldn't be a year before you'd be on set going, yeah, that's right.

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He's been known to cure insecurity just with his laugh. His organ donation card lists his charisma. His smile is so contagious, vaccines have been created for it. He is the most interesting man in the world.

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I don't typically commit crime, but when I do, it's bank fraud. Stay greedy, my friends.

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He bilked some of the nation's largest banks out of an estimated $55 million, because $50 million wasn't enough, and $60 million seemed excessive. He is the most interesting man in the world.

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I don't typically commit crimes, but when I do, it's bank fraud. Stay greedy, my friends.

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Was it you? Maybe.

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Yeah, that's another charge.

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Yeah.

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What happened?

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Right.

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No, it's mid-size.

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Boom.

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Like you did something.

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You know what his charge was too? What?

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Using forgeries and bogus identities, Matthew B. Cox, one of the most ingenious con men in history, built America's biggest banks out of millions. Despite numerous encounters with bank security, state, and federal authorities, Cox narrowly, and quite luckily, avoided capture for years. Eventually, he topped the U.S. Secret Service's Most Wanted list and led the U.S.

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Marshals, FBI, and Secret Service on a three-year chase while jet-setting around the world with his attractive female accomplices. Cox has been declared one of the most prolific mortgage fraud con artists of all time by CNBC's American Greed. Bloomberg Businessweek called him the mortgage industry's worst nightmare, while Dateline NBC described Cox as a gifted forger and silver-tongued liar.

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Playboy magazine proclaimed his scam was real estate fraud, and he was the best. Shark in the Housing Pool is Cox's exhilarating first-person account of his stranger-than-fiction story. Available now on Amazon and Audible.

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Pierre Rossini, in the 1990s, was a 20-something-year-old Los Angeles-based drug trafficker of ecstasy and ice. He and his associates drove luxury European supercars, lived in Beverly Hills penthouses, and dated Playboy models while dodging federal indictments. Then, two FBI officers with the Organized Crime Drug Enforcement Task Force entered the picture.

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Dirty agents willing to fix cases and identify informants. Suddenly, two of Rossini's associates, confidential informants working with federal law enforcement, were murdered. Everyone pointed to Rossini. As his co-defendants prepared for trial, U.S. Attorney Robert Mueller sat down to debrief Rossini at Leavenworth Penitentiary.

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And another story emerged, a tale of FBI corruption and complicity in murder. You see, Pierre Racine knew something that no one else knew. And Robert Mueller and the federal government have been covering it up to this very day. Devil Exposed, a twisted tale of drug trafficking, corruption, and murder in the City of Angels. Available on Amazon and Audible.

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Matthew B. Cox is a conman incarcerated in the Federal Bureau of Prisons for a variety of bank fraud-related scams. Despite not having a drug problem, Cox inexplicably ends up in the prison's residential drug abuse program, known as RDAP, a drug program in name only.

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RDAP is an invasive behavior modification therapy specifically designed to correct the cognitive thinking errors associated with criminal behavior. The program is a nonfiction dark comedy which chronicles Cox's side-splitting journey. This first-person account is a fascinating glimpse at the survival-like atmosphere inside of the government-sponsored rehabilitation unit.

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While navigating the treachery of his backstabbing peers, Cox simultaneously manipulates prison policies and the bumbling staff every step of the way. The program. How a conman survived the Federal Bureau of Prisons cult of RDAP. Available now on Amazon and Audible.

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Right. Are you still living at home?

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All right.

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So what happened? I don't mean to laugh. Sorry. I mean, what happened? So did you you avoided them until at some point you must turn you did you turn yourself in or they grab you?

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But they don't want the kid traumatized. You're, you've got the kid that you get pulled over. The cops pulled a gun. There's your little girls in the front seat screaming.

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Oh, did it? Yeah.

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How old was she?

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So, but they didn't chase you. You took off on the motorcycle in pursuit.

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Did you just lost them?

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All right. I'm with you. I got you. Thank you. Yeah.

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And you're doing all this because you're basically thinking it's first degree murder. Oh yeah. I'm probably going to get life. This guy definitely died. Who knows what the story is.

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I just said, call the police, call the police.

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And she knows who you're with, at least. Yeah. If not where you're at, who you're with. So she can figure out where you're at.

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Call them the cops.

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And so they're picking up the phone.

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He knows what's happening?

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You think it was over 700 bucks?

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So it's federal. So he's trying to get.

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40% off his sentence.

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Are you serious? Nothing. Oh, that's right. Think about what he's, the guy he's turning in is wanted for murder.

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But she's your wife at the time.

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Oh, they look at you. Is he looking at you?

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How's he not putting this together?

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I was going to say, can you get out of the handcuffs?

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big hands. You know what I'm saying? Like I've seen it. I've seen some guys who basically did, you know, just pull the shit. Like no matter what they say, I can't do that.

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I could never do that.

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Shake your hand. Rest with you. Yeah. All right. Yeah. Good cop.

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The evidence, nothing shows that, right?

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Right. What is your, they give you, you get a public defender.

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Did they find your fake ID when they grabbed you?

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No, I understand. But still, I was going to say that's even one more reason not to give you any kind of bond no matter what.

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Yeah, that's insane. I don't think I could call anybody. If I called Colby and said, hey, listen, man, the cops are following me. Can you come get me? He'd be like, no, brother, I got two kids and I'm white. It's your problem.

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Really? Yeah. But they took your fingerprints.

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So, so I've been, do you know how many times that, uh, And I've told people this over and over again. I had a friend that was a sheriff's deputy. And exactly what you just told me is exactly what he had told me. And when I was on the run with this chick, I used to say... She'd be like, what if you get arrested? I go, if I get arrested, I'll get arrested.

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And I had an ID, I've had many IDs, that was issued. I would go in the DMV and they'd give me an ID. Like I'd survey a homeless guy, get his information, order his birth certificate, birth certificate, Social Security card, register to vote in his name and go to a state where he didn't have an I.D. I get an I.D. and she was always like, well, you're wanted. They have your finger up.

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You don't understand if they arrest you, because this is what I've been told by my buddy who was a sheriff's deputy with Hillsborough County. This was back in. By the way, this was in 2003 to 2006. I was like, if I get arrested, I'll have an I.D., So if your identity isn't in question, I go, they don't run you against APHIS right away.

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He used to say, because the federal government at that time charged him, he would say, one, if your identity is not in question, he goes, they don't even run it. He goes, because you got an ID issued by the state. And he's like, if it's not in question, we don't even run it. He goes, worst case scenario, if it is, he's like, sometimes they do them in batches. They take the card and everything.

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And then he said, they'll scan it and they'll send off. He goes, but that might not be for a month. He's like, so you can, I said, I can be arrested, processed and have bail set and get out before they ever, if ever run it. And I've had people text me, that's not true. They would know immediately. They'll run your fingerprints. I was like, bro, this was before all that.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So anyway, I love that you just said that because I've always, that's what I had thought I'd been told. And when I got arrested, I was told by cops when I was arrested. Yeah, bro. He's like, if you had a driver's license, they may never run it. especially in a small town because they charge them.

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So anyway, I'm sorry.

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Just wanted to feel good about myself. I knew I was right. I knew I was right.

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And that's how you got the ID? No, I didn't.

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But you never went?

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So you got out on the first one. So when they grabbed you on the second one, you're still locked up on the second charge.

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the one where they, the murder charge.

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Oh, that's a decent thing you did there. Yeah.

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Uh, you were at the, so they gave you the new lawyer, uh, that you're the paralegal saying no good. You've got to get a lawyer. And then your buddy came in and had paid for a new lawyer, got the lawyer. What happened with the lawyer?

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You're not going to beat all three. Well, I was going to say, yeah, I was going to say they're going to, the juries, you know, if they can't prove, they know they can't prove this one, they can't prove that one. The jury is eventually going to find you guilty of the lower sentence.

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the attempted murder of the brother, he ran in front of the vehicle, ran in front of the vehicle, but it doesn't matter.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So what, what you've already got a year or two years in two and a half, two and a half.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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How much, what is that? That's not 15 though.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I don't think there's too many people that are deceased. You've outlived a ton of people.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You're going to get five. You're there on five.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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3871.407

It sounds like you're innocent.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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3872.888

But you've... pled guilty.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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From, from five to 15. So he has to give you to, in his, in my, to me, he would, he knows you're innocent. He should give you five years. Right. Cause that's the lowest he can go.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You didn't say, but you left the butt out.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Holy fuck off.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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There's no recourse. No, no. You don't have like a year to now. Cause you pled guilty. Okay. Yeah. Nevermind. Um, so 10 years, how much do you do? Like 85% in Florida is 85.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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you've done two and a half. So you still got six, you still got six years to go. Yeah. Does it, does halfway house cut into the six years? No. Yes. Yeah, it should.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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God, that sucks.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So you got six years to go. Yeah. On a, on a, well on vehicle. Is that like, do they consider like how, how harsh is that? Like what kind of a prison do you have to go to?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And you don't have a weapon in the truck.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Okay. Do you call the police or do you just keep going home? What do you do?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You just said you felt bad. You said you felt bad, but you said you just found out.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He was fine then.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Are you, you're all over the, you say you could go, you were going all over the place, but are you going outside of the prison? Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, you wouldn't have been that bad of a position because they had come to your house. You went there. You didn't have a weapon in the vehicle. It'd be different if you had a weapon in the vehicles, because then they could say you were going over there with a weapon. Yeah. But no, I didn't have a weapon. I was going over there to try and explain to these guys. Please do not.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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There's no fence all the way. Yeah, there's no fence. So you could go straight into the woods, right?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, I know. But I mean, you could, it sounds to me like you pretty much could have been arranging that for your entire life. I've had to call in somebody saying, Hey, pick me up.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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This is not what happened. Please do not come by my house. You're causing me problems.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like it's a biscuit.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Okay. So it's from the chow hall?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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everything i asked there was never enough what does this chick look like bro you want me to show you what she looks like yeah yeah so there's street oh i i understand i used to say we would do the whole that's a that's a prison eight you know what i'm saying that's a that's a street four that's a prison eight or that's a street five that's a prison nine yeah She's not bad looking at all.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'm full of hindsight.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, I was going to say. Oh, you got to show Colby. And this is not a good picture. Yeah, that looks like a driver's license photo.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I made every bad decision there is.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Do these other guys know that you're messing with her or-

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Are they feeling it?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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These fucking dicks.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And you can't go to medical.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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i would think she'd be like this guy's a fucking maniac you know yeah so so is that was that the first time you thought i i had already been considering it right but not really put it into action yeah um but that really like changed my thinking like i was already time do you have um about that time to

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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five years four years yeah you got that chunk of time not enough to escape but enough in my head yeah i was gonna say but still that five years is for most people that's you know if somebody you give somebody a five-year sentence like if you gave me a five-year sentence i'd be like yeah

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I don't know, but I understand non-extradition countries. I don't know what the Rome Treaty is.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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She said, what do I got to do? Oh my God. This is, this is horrible. Have you, I have a question. Have you had sex with this chick? Is this just so far?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Okay. All right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So, boy, this chick's all in, huh?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You're just trying to get into Mexico to. And then. Go to Guatemala. Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Didn't say shit. Nothing. And you would think that there's not a ton of officers. They all know each other.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I mean, there's a bunch of housing.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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5251.017

Did you shave your face? Did you do it?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And is she going back to work?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. And these guys are going to say it was you and your truck and everything anyway.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, they didn't?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Why would you come pick you up if you're going to call the cops? Like if you're not going to go through with it, why?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, exactly. Right. Just to tell your brother, fuck you. I'm not going to pick up a couple of guys. Like, I'm sorry. That's a pretty good reason. Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. You're not asking me to, you know, change the tire on a car or something. This is a big fucking deal. Okay. So he called the cops.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He's operating on the it's going to be fine model. You're operating on the it's not going to be fine. We have to get the action.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I know where the Suwannee River is.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But that's every water.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I was going to say, did the police talk to you? No.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, the seven 50 is, I mean, you know, charge seven 50 for that alone.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. I know something's up.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He's actually really says he didn't know.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That's not 50 off fair shoes.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, two, even if you're not concerned about yourself, you've still got a daughter. You don't know what these fucking guys are going to do to your fucking kids or your wife. You don't know what people will do to somebody else because the way they look at it is, this guy killed my brother. It's acceptable to kill his daughter or his sister or wife, whatever.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. On, on the new charges, do you get, do they assign you an attorney or,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What happened with her?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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How did they know she was involved?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Plus a kid's phone, the one kid's phone, you had called her.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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6465.156

So by the time you got out of solitary confinement, she's done with her time.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Did she ever write you?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You don't know what they're going to fucking do. Your best bet is to just remove yourself from the situation.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Was she saying this time I'm going to break into the prison to get you out?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Not. I can't imagine you could. But I'm sure you obviously you could. Oh, you can. I guess.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I mean, aren't they checking these books?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Uh, Colby.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Okay. So you know when it's going to be done.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Are they going to try and enter it into any of these, uh, film festivals?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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the chick I'm wondering, I do keep wondering like, what is this chick? She's leaving you alone.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They're just checking to see where you are. So we know if we, at some point we want to grab him, we know where he is.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But when you got out of prison, she reached out to you then? No, we cut that off. Oh, okay.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I quit talking to her. She could have kept tabs and realized she's out now. Let me try and contact you now.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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7080.098

So what are you doing now? Real estate. Real estate?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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7161.897

And put any money on your, on your books during that three year?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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7166.879

15 million. I had to stay in contact.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And so, you know, it runs through my head, my head, uh, the white Lotus, uh,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like Chinatown?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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7394.559

What is it now, like two, 3,000 or something? What is it now?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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7398.643

A hundred grand? Yes, sir.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Worlds Greatest Escape Artist Reveals His Secrets| Bryan Bruton

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What was his statement that you, that you had told him or he, I mean, he has this, he has to say that something has to say that he has knowledge of you doing this.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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7502.116

So it was a scam.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Worlds Greatest Escape Artist Reveals His Secrets| Bryan Bruton

7521.114

All right. So you have, yeah, I was going to say, what do you have? What socials do you have?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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7538.79

How'd you get hooked up with Dan?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, he was in passenger side. Oh, he was. Oh, I didn't know that part.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, a lot of these guys have. That's why I'm surprised you stopped doing it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, yeah, she's come here.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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no she the girl interviewed her yeah yeah the other girl interviewed jessica jessica her jessica's channel blew up yeah yeah but then she when she was here she just hit like a million on tiktok or something like she was blowing up on tiktok she was um of course when she was here she i guess she was about to get married right her fiance was the burner is that his name the music guy

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, not the music.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, like they were about to get, either they had just gotten married or they were about to be married. And then within a year that crumbled. Yeah. And then she met some other guy with tattoos all over. Yeah. Yeah. And then I don't know. I really paid attention since then. But yeah. Yeah. There's a, there's a, there's a ton of them, but a lot of those are like prison channels.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know what I'm saying?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Worlds Greatest Escape Artist Reveals His Secrets| Bryan Bruton

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Yeah. First of all, I don't have those kinds of stories.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Worlds Greatest Escape Artist Reveals His Secrets| Bryan Bruton

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Yeah. I was saying that the other day. That was the first time I saw him. And on Wes Watson, on that first interview, he was,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. That's not happening. I know. I mean, there's so many stories that are just... And a lot of these other guys jump on the same thing. Like, oh, you know, guys in the comment section will say, like, you know, if you have to... That, you know, oh, as soon as you get in, you got to join a gang. You got to... Like, you don't have... It's total bullshit. It's just... And this is the thing, too.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Worlds Greatest Escape Artist Reveals His Secrets| Bryan Bruton

792.468

Holy shit. It was fucking at best. It's vehicular manslaughter at best.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Worlds Greatest Escape Artist Reveals His Secrets| Bryan Bruton

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It's like every state's different. The feds are different. You can say something, oh, this is how it was. That would never happen. It's okay. Well, you did time and... you did two years in, in California state. Like that doesn't mean that you're even across the, even if you say federal prison and federal prison in California, a low is different than a federal prison, a low in Florida.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Do you see what I'm saying? Like that prison, you may have some, those are tough prisons compared to a Florida low. So everything is, is different. Everybody's so 100%. This is the way it is. And that's the way it is. And you know, It's not always like that. And these guys, like I said, they exaggerate the stories or they're really telling a story.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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that happened to another guy or a guy that they heard. Yeah. And the West also says he did like over a decade in California state prisons. Yeah. He really did his time. And I think Arizona, I think he only did like 18 months in California and he was housed in like Arizona or another state, whatever state houses prisoners for.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So what in Florida that elevates it to.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Worlds Greatest Escape Artist Reveals His Secrets| Bryan Bruton

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And then he was in a couple of different locations there and he didn't do 10 years. He did like seven, like, like what is, first of all, what does it matter? Why lie about that? It's like, You know, it's kind of like a and when we'll wrap it up, it's kind of like the Mark Marcus Schringer. It's like this is a guy who would lie about everything.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But the truth of it, what he really was, was he's a stunt pilot. Like he has a he has a degree in aeronautics and finance. He has a pilot's license. He is a stunt pilot. He has his own stunt plane. He has his own personal aircraft, too. He runs a wealth management company and has a dozen guys that work underneath him and lives in a $2.5 million house. Like, you're a top-tier individual.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And then, you know what he does on top of that? He then has to lie and say he was... In the Air Force flying these jets, he worked with NASA. It's like, what are you doing? You're already a top tier person. If you're going to say, hey, I'm a tough guy. I went to federal prison. Okay, you don't have to jump from seven years to 10. You don't have to jump from Arizona to California.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Worlds Greatest Escape Artist Reveals His Secrets| Bryan Bruton

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Why don't you stick with the truth? The truth to the guy that's driving the forklift is already there.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Worlds Greatest Escape Artist Reveals His Secrets| Bryan Bruton

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unfortunately impressed by that you don't have to add all the other bullshit so but they they don't they they have to add it and they have to be the toughest guy and they got to be the shot caller and they got to walk around with my paperwork hooped in my ass and stop bro stop you know have you seen the spinoffs of him yeah like people that did talk the same exact way in the camera as him and shit i'm like dude

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Worlds Greatest Escape Artist Reveals His Secrets| Bryan Bruton

8103.003

Some of them mimic him.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Worlds Greatest Escape Artist Reveals His Secrets| Bryan Bruton

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Some of them, some guys mock him, but some guys it's, I'm talking about the people mimicking him.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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This dude done infiltrated your brain that bad. And then you're a, you're a life coach on a guy who clearly doesn't have life down and he's giving business. He's teaching people about how to run a business on a guy who's never run a successful business other than being a life coach.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. You are, we're good. Cause we'll just keep going, bro. Like this will just, you have to just walk away. Sometimes that's what I'll tell people. I'll keep talking, talking. I'm like, walk away, bro. Don't walk away. All right. So just do the thing. All right. Hey, you guys, I appreciate you watching. Do me a favor. Hit the subscribe button.

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Hit the bell to get notified of videos just like this. Also, we're going to leave all of Brian's social media links in the description box. So just click there. Follow. And once again, I appreciate you watching. Do me a favor and consider joining our Patreon. It's ten dollars a month and it really does help Colby and I make these videos. Thank you very much. See you.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Because you weren't even charged with, you were charged with.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You ever read a headline and think, wait, that's not what I read earlier. Or hear a story that was covered two totally different ways and think, I wonder which one's telling the truth. We all know the news can be biased. Algorithms push stories that they think you want to see. And some outlets spin stories to fit a certain agenda.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It's exhausting trying to figure out what's real, what's exaggerated, and what's just straight up misinformation. That's why I use Ground News. It's a news platform that doesn't just show you the headlines. It shows you the whole story.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It gathers articles from across the political spectrum, tells you the bias of each source, and even lets you compare how different outlets are framing the same event. For example, the recent federal health agency layoffs. Left-leaning news described the layoffs as a major crisis, calling them a bloodbath that could harm important public health work like tracking diseases.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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On the other hand, right-leaning news saw the layoffs as positive change. They called it a win-win for taxpayers, which could save $1.8 billion a year. Both sides agree the layoffs and changes were happening, but they strongly disagree on what it meant. Ground News lets you compare these side-by-side so you can actually see the bias and decide for yourself what to believe.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You told me earlier there was no there's no federal prison in Alaska.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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You've been told.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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You've been told don't accept anything. Yeah. Cause then they want something. They want something back from you, Connor.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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That's how that works. It is.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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You're going to help me out. Now I need you to meet me in the shower. Whoa, bro. It was a fucking seven up, man. It was a fucking can of soda. What are you talking about? That does not add up. That's crazy interest. I don't care. That's crazy interest. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I used to say the difference between being in the medium when I was in a medium position

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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at Coleman, I was at the medium for like three years. The difference between being in the medium

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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prison and being in the low was in the medium if some guy left a snickers on your pillow don't eat it oh fuck no but if they leave it if at the medium you can eat it because that dude comes and he says hey man uh what you got my man fuck you yeah i ain't fucking i ate your fucking snickers i might be in your fucking locker later what what room are you in yeah because they're not gonna do anything in the medium they're pretty much fucking they're pretty much set they're okay yeah yeah but anyway sorry go ahead

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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But you don't want to take that Pepsi. No. I know. I've heard about you, predator.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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No, it's not even like spirit. It's not even spirit.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. And the stewardesses are fucking horrible. They've got shotguns. They yell at you the whole time. Yeah. They won't let you go to the bathroom. Nope. I don't give a fuck if that light's off or not.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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restraint and getting ready to fly to another another state um could you imagine if something happened do you ever see that one plane i hate to say this but do you remember that one plane that i know what it was a dc whatever it actually like the top of the plane blew off and they lost one of the fucking one of those stewardesses flew out like if you were chained together with like five other guys and one guy goes out like you're all going out like anal beats like you're like

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Even more if you could hold on. The other guys are going to be flapping around hitting the fucking fuselage on the outside. You're a pretty strong guy. You'd probably be alright. I try my best. Anyway, I'm sorry. Go ahead. The plane's not good. What an imagination you have. So the captain said, listen, there's something leaking out on the engines. We don't feel good about this.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That's what I always thought of when they would chain me to the guy in front of me. I was always like, we're like a bunch and we're all in orange. Or you'd have like the paper dresses that they put you in. And I'd be like, there's like 12 guys in orange chained together. And I would always, for some reason, I always thought, you know, anal beads. I don't know.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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I'd once seen some anal beads, you know. I knew someone. And, you know, they were, you know, and so I saw, you know, and they were orange. Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And you still really haven't been there. Being in the prison transport on the way to prison driving down the strip is not really being to Vegas.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Or masturbating.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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He's masturbating. Sometimes he'll bring in some lotion.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Or sometimes maybe you do. Maybe you say... Tom, what are you looking at there? Come on, stop it, Cox. You know what I'm doing. What are you doing? What's all that noise? You eating macaroni? What's going on, bro?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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Can I read that later?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like, I bet this is... I was going to say, half your sentence has been to transport.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Probably 40 or 50, I want to say. 40 or 50? If 10 of them are...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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that's like 25 white guys yeah yeah and so what's so funny is in prison like having this conversation like you can't have this conversation in the real world because in the real world like it's funny you go to prison and it like the black guys can be right next door right next to you you say listen let me tell you about the black guy don't talk to let me i fucking see and they're right there you're like you know you just get off the street you're like bro bro

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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there's a black guy right there like what are you saying bro yeah and then you know and it's like such a an issue in in prison and then you get out and you still have the mentality it's the exact opposite yeah but it's you know it's it's and it was so funny people out here like they're like you know you know racism and president they're like this is not racism no you have no idea what racism is yeah

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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How big is this guy, by the way? Because basically, did you tell him you're like a tourist? Like, I'm on vacation. This is a couple of months for me, bro. This isn't my fucking life.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I was going to say, you're a pretty big guy. Like, how big is this guy?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, I mean, I was strung out. You're probably what, 170 now, 180?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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I think last year I was like 193. Well, it would have been a different conversation at 200 if it wasn't 140. Yeah, if you said that, I would have lifted him up by his neck and threw him away. I'm much more polite to people that are 200 pounds.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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Okay. Well, I mean, I've heard of those. Every institution is different.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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So it's on like wheels, right? Like they wheel it to you?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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I did 45 days one time. I mean, I know guys have done six months.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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A lot of guys will do that just to be able to be out of the cell. Your time goes so much faster if you're working than if you're just laying in your fucking bunk the whole time.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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Oh, gate money. I didn't get any gate money. I was locked up 13 years. I didn't get gate money. I got a good luck to you, bro. That sucks for you, then. My God. Was anybody putting money on your books when you were locked up?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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They put Jess on a bus and let her drive her or go to the other, like, they gave her a fucking voucher, her and a bunch of girls. They got to go hang out for a couple days and showed up at the prison when they wanted to. Not really. I mean, they had to have time today to be there. But they hung out. They went on a bus. They, where'd you stop? Atlanta? Atlanta, Tennessee. We stopped in Nashville.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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They caught a show. I'm joking about the show, but still.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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Ridiculous.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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I just, I did not have any idea that they would have. You fuckers had a different experience than I had. There was no gate money for me. Yeah. Nobody gave me a bus ticket. I would have loved to ride the bus. You got fucked. Jesus.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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I had to take a year worth of criminal behavior modification classes with a psychiatrist once a week for an hour while I was every twice a month being piss tested. I didn't even have a drug charge.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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I'm still on federal probation. It's been three years. I just got denied. I tried to get off early. They said no. They're holding a grudge. It's resentment is what it is. They're still, they're irritated. They're up six million. But it's, you know, they're holding it against me. But anyway. I could see why. You had a vastly different experience. Yeah. So. Well, okay.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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Wow. Yeah, he had a... Blue jeans, tennis shoes, and TVs.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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Jesus, okay. But it's cold. It's cold, yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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It's just as miserable with here.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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I can't even imagine. It takes your breath away. What 40 below is. I've never experienced anything like that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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There's no fucking Nautilus equipment in federal prison. There's no free weights. There's nothing. None of that stuff. There's no, there's no, but I mean, in federal prison, there's no, no like equipment.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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I'm sorry. Are your guys, are your guy crews going in and doing these robberies? You're saying this is happening, but are you saying that?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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So unfair. You're burglarizing places. She's running a fucking meth ring. I filled out some paperwork. I was in there with guys. I was in there with serial killers and shit. I used to have lunch with a guy that killed like 11 people.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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Yeah, he was nice to me. He was old now. He's pretty much feeble and not able to kill me, but I'm sure there were times he wanted to kill me. I saw it in his face. Yeah, you could tell. So, yeah. Anyway.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No. Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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And they have a low recidivism rate, too. One of the lowest. Like, they almost get out. Almost never do it again. Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And the guy... I had nine guys in the house. I was the only white guy with eight black eyes. I was the only white guy in the halfway house, in my room. There were nine people in a room. I bet that was uncomfortable. It was uncomfortable. I used to... Listen, I... And the cops, when they would come around to count, they would be like, Cox, you okay?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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I'd be like... We need some diversity in here. You know what I'm saying? But there's never any diversity.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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Anyway. Jesus. I mean, try starting over at 50. I spit on that thing.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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Yeah. He's like 27, 5 foot 10, blonde hair, blue eyes, good looking. I mean...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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I have, I have, I have things I deal with. I mean, I'm not, I do. Like, it's hard to look like this. It's hard. Like, life's not easy. You look like this. Like, you know, people, people constantly, women call you all the time. It's, you know, people want to just give you money. People just, you know, I mean. It's hard to look away from mirrors. I have issues. I have an addiction. Sorry, go ahead.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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Okay. Well, because these guys don't know that there's a girl. There's a girlfriend over here that looks like she just got off a boat from Norway. Yeah. Blonde hair, blue eyed, fair skin, very pretty, tall, whole thing. She's a Viking. Viking. Yeah. Yeah. Straight Nordic.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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Yeah. And it's like, they're like, pick up the drugs at the, at the drug dealer's house and can't make it the, the four miles to get home.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So... That'll be the plane flight there and back.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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Are you ever hit in pharmacies? Allegedly.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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So can't they now give you that? Or that's if you commit another crime, not a failure of a UA.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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It sounds like you want to go back.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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Like he's still, you keep going to jail, coming back, sleeping on the couch.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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Fuck that. I'd be like, bro.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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Yeah, it's one of the few careers where it's an attribute.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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Yeah, so I mean... So what are you doing now?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So right now, basically we're wrapping up anyway. You're living in Florida. You're waiting out the time for you to reapply and be a, I'm going to say drug treatment specialist. What do you call it?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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Yeah, that sounds better than lunch lady. It sounds like, what is it like? What do they call them? Nutritional specialists. All right. So that's a good one. That's good.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That sounds important.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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Come on. just playing jesus um bro it's it's it's it's difficult it is these chicks you know yeah they're they're they're a pain really yes you know um so yeah uh

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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Oh, yeah. I'm sorry. Go ahead.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I lived in Tennessee for about a year and a half. It's nice.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Do you end up going to a halfway house? Do you end up at a halfway house?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, I was going to say the street cred you got for that was probably huge among your peers.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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How long ago was this?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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You have no idea how any of this works.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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You're going to wing it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, this can't be happening. Nothing falls into place like this.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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jails and cop cars and just the run of the city to make this film um and so i did it i made a movie and then i had to go into the the next steps of like yeah i was gonna say that's only one part of the process and yeah the next part is equally as as um uh as important is actually getting it out there and getting the media attention and getting it into um

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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uh theaters and and festivals and like that's that's another whole group of impossible impossibilities that you have to attack with no experience right so i so they so there's this just to not jump out of it but like during this moment right here we're at we're like now i'm done filming

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Hey, this is Matt Cox, and I am here with Johnny Hickey, and he is a filmmaker, actor, ex-con who's got a really interesting true crime story that actually leads up to him becoming a filmmaker. And we're going to get into it, so check out the interview. Let's start at your childhood, like you were born in Boston. Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Darren Foster wrote what? Science Fair. American Pain? Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. The book American Pain, which is what was... Yep, yep, that's him.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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The guy Derek Nolan, who's in the Oxy Express?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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Yeah, he's the... So he was the manager. He was the manager of the American Pain Clinics. Really? Yeah. So I actually wrote a story called Pain. I was in prison with him and I wrote a story about Derek. It's called Pain. Wow. My world. Right? That's nuts. But anyway, you were saying...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Is your film done yet, or are they still editing the film?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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Yeah, listen. All that Hollywood shit wouldn't make you happy anyway in the end.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, I was going to say, they're all miserable out there. It's, you know... Like, I had tons of money, tons of people pretending to be my friends, you know, like, prior to going to prison. Thought I was super... Thought I was happy. That's... It was all bullshit. All bullshit.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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you have a purpose now, you know, which changes everything.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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All right. Well, until you've done a pilot, are you pitching it? Or has it already been picked up somewhere?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. And people stick around instead of for four months, they stick around for five years, six years, seven years. They keep coming back for. Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Okay. Well, I mean, let me know. Keep me, you know, let me know if, you know, whenever this happens, we could always do another episode on it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, I was going to say, I was going to say we can put the links in the description box. You know what I'm saying? For for oxymorons and I want to say habitual, habitual, like habitual offender.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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I mean, the other stuff's not out yet, so.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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Okay. Okay. I was going to say tearing them down and building something new and erasing that part of history may be a part of the overall plan, you know, for the developers or for the city.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Okay. Do you feel like there's, there's anything else you want to cover or you feel good about this?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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No, I'm good. Do you have any social media links or anything? Do you have like Instagram or Facebook, anything?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Hey, I appreciate you guys watching. I hope you liked this interview. I'm going to leave all of Johnny's social media links in the description box. We're also going to leave the links to his movies. I hope you guys liked it. Let me know if you didn't. Let me know if you did. If you did, do me a favor and subscribe to the channel. Hit the bell so you get notified.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Share the video because sharing the video really does help with the algorithm. Leave me a comment. I really appreciate it. If you're interested in being a guest, please hit me up. My email is in the description box also. Really appreciate you guys watching. See ya. So you sent me an email. We talked on the phone a little bit. Alaska, the credit card thing. Were you born in Alaska?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Can I stop? What was it? Are you in Alaska? Were you from Alaska? We were both born and raised. Neither one of you look like someone that I think... See, when I think Alaska, I think native Alaskans because I've seen all those programs like...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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life below zero and and and yeah and alaska state troopers and all those and uh but i saw one where they were like it was almost like a tribe or something like they were they were running their own the whole town was run by basically like a tribe and yeah we're it's not like that i mean we're probably like

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Probably.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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Yeah. Anyways. So, I'm sorry. Anyway, so, yeah, yeah, okay. So, we don't know, we don't know where Twilight was. This is not to do with anything.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They were, they were both together.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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Yeah. And it was just like a normal, like middle-class kind of, but you just wasn't, it wasn't working for you.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like them young, they're shapeable.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Wow, how did that happen?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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Right, just how the other side lives.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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Yes, you're self-medicating. Oh, yeah. It's anxiety. It's got to be... It sounds... I mean, not that I'm a psychiatrist or anything, but it sounds like it's super connected to anxiety for you.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, because they have a ton of vehicles that have to be – so they're not going to notice a slight fluctuation of a few hundred here, a few hundred there.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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For an 80? For an 80. Yes. What is that, a milligram? That's like 10, 15 bucks a milligram? Yes. Yes.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You're giving people a reason to do it, even if they think, ah, something's fucked up. But let's face it, if I get 15 gallons of gas, you know, it fills up my tank. Like, I don't have to give them the money until after. So, yeah, sure. Let's see what happens here, bro. Right. The card works. It fills it up. Cool. Yeah. Like, you know, if the cop showed up, I'd be like, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He told me this and that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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They have no idea. Well, I mean, even if they had an idea, at least you gave them an excuse. No, you don't understand. This is what he said. Golly gee whiz. Are you saying the card was stolen, officer? Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So I was thinking I would have gone straight straight to a truck stop. Yeah, those guys are spending $1,000.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You can be pretty generous when it's somebody else's money. I'm always, when I've stolen a bunch of money from the bank, I'm pretty generous with their money too.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It's easy. It makes you feel good. Yeah. Makes you feel like, you know, I'm doing the right thing.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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This is at your work. Uh-huh. Is your boss there? Are you in, like, a back room? No, I'm in the front counter. And your boss is sitting there going, whoa, boy, you look like you're in trouble.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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Say, first of all, officer, you've done amazing work here. Yeah. You've done a good job. And he does look a lot like me.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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I'm going to help you find this guy. Nobody's more upset about this than me. Yeah. Identity theft. That's what I'm thinking. Yeah. No shit. See, you got to be faster, bro.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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Oh, I thought this guy was the FBI.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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Yeah, I got to go to jail. I got to go through detox. I'm already fucked up right now.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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Okay, well, so you went from, I mean, immediately went from this guy just asking you questions, he just told you go downtown? Like you didn't, was there a, did they give you a public defender or anything?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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He just said show up and sign in.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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They are like so nice. I mean, you go to Alaska, like they came in, they're like nice to you. They were. You got 72 hours. You know, I'm sorry what you're going through, buddy. You made some bad decisions. Like, fuck. Yeah. I never talked to that guy. Never.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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That's not good.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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surprise surprise what what does that stand for now um and you so you fail well if you failed like did they well they don't they can't revoke your probation you don't have when you're on pre-trial signed it you didn't you just okay yeah because you know like if you were on probation then you're on pre-trial if you've you're on pre-trial then They could lock you up for that, right?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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No, they won't really lock you up anyway. You haven't been charged. You haven't been. Sentenced. You haven't been sentenced to anything. I don't know. Yeah, you're okay. So why even give you a piss test?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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No, it's nice. It's nice. It's the right thing to do.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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Can I ask you a question? What did your parents say?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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Which probably ended up having to pay at the most 50 bucks. Once they called the gas company and said, or the credit card company, this is a fraudulent charge, someone's been caught, then they write that off immediately. And the most they can charge them under the...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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So he was telling, your mom was upset and your dad was kind of like, look, you got to get clean. You got to get your shit straight. Try and show the judges you're changing.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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I like that. That's the drug dealer mentality. So, what you're saying is I have to keep my habit. I have to keep this going for two months. Yeah, until you can. And you definitely don't want to go to prison. I mean, you don't want to get pulled into the holding cell and detox in the holding cell.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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They'll keep- Every single little thing. They'll bump up your criminal history every single time you've ever been in trouble. So you could have been arrested once for a DUI. You could have been arrested two years later for shoplifting. And then- And now when you get to sentencing, you're at a criminal history level of three. Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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So it's like, so you're already now, you're already instead of having like being at like a level six, you're like a level 13 and at a level eight, you're going to prison.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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So you're already done. Yep. No matter what.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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I was just clarifying that so that people understand. Yeah. So even though all those charges are ridiculously stupid charges, it doesn't matter. Every one of those is going to count.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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Well, and your risk versus reward is, you know, vastly skewed because you're like, you're willing to risk anything to get to stay high because you're in such pain.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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That's just the worst feeling.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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it's funny too how all the guy how like especially the opiate uh guys to always describe it as being just like being sick it's like it's the worst you know it's it's it's like their bones ache like it's a different like compare like other people that go that i've talked to that go through uh withdrawals like they always describe it as being like violently like ill your whole body's aching your bones hurt yeah i was heard i've always heard that like bro like literally your bones yeah

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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but that's another. So the forgery, you did the forgery, you're on state probation for that already, and you're on federal probation, and you're trying to get into a drug rehab.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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Arraignment, there you go. You went in, you were processed, they took your fingerprints, they took a picture of you.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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Right, that whole thing. So you were being arraigned. They let you out immediately on what? On a O.R. bond, like you didn't put up any money, right?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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like you you got to be sent to something right what was what were they already recommending what was probation recommending 16 to 18 months 16 16 to 18 months yeah oh okay geez okay for 21 grand yeah It was because of all my little priors, my little points. I don't know why I'm looking at Connor. He doesn't, he's not going to help. He doesn't understand.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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I was just going to say that's about what I know.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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But he looked at me like, he looked at me like, I don't, how am I supposed to, I don't, that sounds reasonable. Yeah. But no, yeah, that's outrageous. That's ridiculous. That's ridiculous.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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I know people have sold a couple hundred thousand dollars and ended up with probation.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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So it's all of your criminal history level.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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kind of broke down bro i cried like a small child dude yeah yeah like you could yeah i was unconsolable yeah i got considerably amount a considerable amount of more time than you but it doesn't matter if it's a month no it's devastating yeah because you're taking you i mean you're getting taken away from everything yeah yeah especially for your first time ever like you get taken away you have to go through detox or you have to go yeah withdrawals i have to go withdrawals

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

9694.687

What's the major problem in Alaska, right?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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Right. At all. Yeah, there's too mixed up. There's not enough guys to get together to be dangerous. It's whites and natives.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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So fly us- Marshalls with you the whole time?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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no bed space anymore there's two bunks and then they put you in a tub pretty much with a map a boat they call them a boat it's an orange right is it was it orange it was gray it was gray so it's like a it's like a looks like a almost like a what do you it's like a shallow canoe or something yeah like a like a really low boat that yeah yeah like a um trying to think not a canoe

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Boston Gangster’s Rise, Fall, and Comeback | Johnny Hickey

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Like a kayak, kind of. Like a kayak canoe kind of thing, yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Cryptoqueen on the Run? | $4 Billion Ponzi Scam

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That's what's at the center of this entire story is that she didn't have a product. She had a marketing machine. She tapped into that thing that's inside of so many people, which was definitely inside of her, which is like, I want more, right? It's ambition. And she promised people and anyone who could just take the blinders off

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Now, as a former scammer, scammer, whatever you are, what do you think their process is 18 months into it and now they're looking for a blockchain developer?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, so when I hear that, I don't think, oh, they're trying to make it legitimate. They're trying to stretch it out. They're like, well, we've got to paper this so that it looks more like a Bitcoin. I mean, yeah, more like Bitcoin. In that... There has to be a limited number.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I mean, it might be a really big number, but there has to be a limited number of idiots and crazy people who will invest in something that's like obviously a scam, right? Yes. But it's a lot of people.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. So their actual a lot of their revenue was not from the purchase of coins, but from the purchase of coins. educational materials about crypto. And I don't know if you read this, but they have levels. Basically, it's like you can pay in as a day laborer and then as a manager and then as an executive and then as a tycoon. And you can pay all this money to get educational materials.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Cryptoqueen on the Run? | $4 Billion Ponzi Scam

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And then, of course, now that you know their version of the crypto world, you'll want to spend more money.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Cryptoqueen on the Run? | $4 Billion Ponzi Scam

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Yeah, I think 15 is the total amount of money they're saying that passed through the organization. Okay. And then four is what they, I think, believe that she and maybe also the other people at the top were able to get away with.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So that's a lot of money, right? It's so much money. You know, in the US, she's got these little nothing charges. Fraud, conspiracy to commit fraud, wire fraud, securities fraud, maybe like four total counts. Like, that's nuts. She's obviously done way more than that. If they can prove four, they can prove 400, 4,000?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Okay, so I know that you've seen the Seinfeld episode where George decides that he wants to be called T-Bone, right? Yes. So they go to lunch and he orders a T-Bone steak and then somebody beside him orders a T-Bone steak and they decide to call that guy T-Bone and George is like, no, I order the T-Bone first. I get to be called T-Bone. It's the coolest nickname. Yeah. What they end up calling him?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That was in the first half of 2016. Oh, okay. Yeah, it wasn't the total amount. But that's really... So here's a question I have for you. Do you think there's some strategy involved with the U.S. attorney when they... Like you look at the scam and then you're like, oh, she got undercharged. Right. They didn't look at her.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, they could give her 80 on these four charges. Oh, see? Yeah. So, yeah, I mean, they don't have to charge a whole bunch to really hook her up, but... You know, they could charge her with more. I guarantee it. So do you know why she's back in the news right now?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Cryptoqueen on the Run? | $4 Billion Ponzi Scam

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Later in the episode, they see him like dancing in the hallway, stomping, and maybe he has a banana in his hand. They end up calling him Coco the monkey.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I don't believe so. She has been the subject of an eight-part series that aired on BBC basically called Searching for the Crypto Queen. They follow all these leads. They never find her. The current theory that people have is that she lives in Frankfurt, Germany.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Cryptoqueen on the Run? | $4 Billion Ponzi Scam

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Oh, so the ending is that it doesn't have an ending. They have to make more episodes. We're still mid-season, so go knock yourself out. All right. Go ahead. Sorry. Oh, so her brother pled guilty last fall. Yeah. In the U.S. And he's getting sentenced the first week of April.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, they can. I mean, yes, but because they succeeded in grabbing both her boyfriend and her brother, they've got the emails from back in 14 that say, I mean, they basically say in bold caps, this is a Ponzi scheme. Our exit strategy is take the money and run. That's what we're going to do. When the heat gets up, we're out of here.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, but she did. And that actually is kind of... That's what's at the center of this entire story is that she didn't have a product. She had a marketing machine. She tapped into that thing that's inside of so many people, which was definitely inside of her, which is like, I want more, right? It's ambition.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So another wrinkle to this is that she was getting tipped off by people. Allegedly, they don't know this for sure, but allegedly she had friends in the Bulgarian government. Who I think that they were, according to people's research, they were connected through Eastern European mob. And so she's paying for protection.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Cryptoqueen on the Run? | $4 Billion Ponzi Scam

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So there were investigations. There were raids. They were always ready for them. They, you know, for about a year or so back in 16 and early 17, they were just keeping one step ahead of it because it was very early on that some governments were saying, this is a scam. People ought not invest. Yeah, it was the Ralph Nader of Vietnam, the consumer protection guru there.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He said, this isn't real, y'all stay out of it. And that came to light. I don't know if you read this. They forged a Vietnamese government document, allegedly, that blessed the operation. Said this is a legit company and the government is somehow sponsoring this in some way.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Cryptoqueen on the Run? | $4 Billion Ponzi Scam

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I want to talk about the FBI's most wanted list. Okay. It's so sexist. There's been 529 people on the most wanted list. How many women?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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11.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Cryptoqueen on the Run? | $4 Billion Ponzi Scam

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She's the 11th woman to get on the list out of 529. And I don't think- Overachiever. What did you say?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. I don't think that she deserves to be on the list. No? What's the criteria?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Cryptoqueen on the Run? | $4 Billion Ponzi Scam

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And she promised people and anyone who could just take the blinders off could see, well, this doesn't even make sense.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Cryptoqueen on the Run? | $4 Billion Ponzi Scam

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Is the Secret Service list even on the internet? That thing's probably on the dark web. No one even knows about it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Cryptoqueen on the Run? | $4 Billion Ponzi Scam

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Yeah. Getting on the Secret Service most wanted list is like getting drafted into the minor leagues or whatever. Until you make it on the FBI's list, I'm like, eh, you're not that great.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Okay, so let me ask you this. You're in her situation. You're loaded with cash, presumably. Are your odds better getting in a spot and staying there or moving around?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yes. Yes. Our our our customers are crazy and idiots.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Cryptoqueen on the Run? | $4 Billion Ponzi Scam

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Yeah, I was about to ask you, how much better is that than prison? It seems really uninteresting. And at least in prison, you can have contact in some ways with your old life, your family.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Cryptoqueen on the Run? | $4 Billion Ponzi Scam

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Okay, so I want to give you, so she's been on the run now since 17, so five and a half, almost five and a half years. Let's put that aside, and I want you to tell me how long she can stay gone from now. Like, today is day one. How long can she stay gone?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So I have my assumption is that. The degree to which she can be associated with her brother is very, very, very, very slight, right? In his pre-apprehension state. So like the first two years she was on the run. Yes. I guarantee you they've had no contact since then, right?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Cryptoqueen on the Run? | $4 Billion Ponzi Scam

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How... how much leverage does he have in his sentencing? If he can produce information that brings her in.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Cryptoqueen on the Run? | $4 Billion Ponzi Scam

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Yeah, so her trail is, so here are the elements to me. Her trail is really cold. I mean, at least to us, right? Because she's been out so long. Maybe they have leads we don't know about, but her trail is really cold. She is basically a celebrity in terms of the scope of her scam. And she's the top of the pyramid in that scam.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He doesn't know where she is, but he knows the names of people who would know either where she is or the names of people who know where she is, right? He might know her address. Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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My guess is that he knows the names of the people who helped her disappear. Because those people also helped him disappear, right?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Cryptoqueen on the Run? | $4 Billion Ponzi Scam

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I mean – Yeah, he was hiding for a while before he got brought in.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Anyone who operates a motor vehicle can have an involuntary interaction with law enforcement anytime. And actually, I did a video on my channel a couple months ago of a guy who's just walking down the sidewalk and he got pulled over.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. Well, but you were also good at it for a while. So yeah. Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Cryptoqueen on the Run? | $4 Billion Ponzi Scam

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Yeah. So I he can't his his her brother can't hand law enforcement her on a silver platter. Not even close. But he can give helpful information. Right. Right. Presumably in some way, even if it's just layers that they have to dig through. Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, I would need to look at his charges. I guess he's like... If she's the crypto queen, he's like the crypto jack or the... I was going to say... I was thinking more like the gesture. You saw... Yeah, the crypto jester. You know... I mean, probably like seven or eight years, right?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. Okay, how about this? We're going to give you two years, right? When you get out, you need to lead us to her within two years or else you're coming back in for another five years. I know, that's not how they do it. That would be a great story.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right, he needs to do a legitimate stint in prison And then he needs to get out and he just they just need to use him to get to her. But they'll never do that for a number of reasons. One of them is like their attitude is they don't need this guy. We'll go find her on our own. We're the best.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Hold on one second. Sidebar, you should never try to get out of jury duty. Matt is talking crazy. And your opportunity to be on the jury is not a duty. It's one of the greatest opportunities that we have in a democratic republic. Okay, I'm back. Sorry.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He said $4 billion wasn't that big of a scheme. What's he running?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Cryptoqueen on the Run? | $4 Billion Ponzi Scam

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Yeah, but they're never going to turn somebody into a bounty hunter. You know, help us find this person and you can get rid of the rest of your time. He'd have to be bait. Yeah, I like the mindset of the guy who's been in for five years because to me it's not credible that he's going to be out buying drugs, doing the criminal life, and not carrying a gun.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Okay. So that's a really extreme example, right? Yeah. But there is a sense in which great marketing, great branding is, builds this level of commitment which draws a line in the sand and says you're with us or you're against us, right? People that drive Chevy trucks, what do they think about people who drive Toyota Tundras?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like, wouldn't he have a gun? I mean, I don't know, but wouldn't he have a gun on him? Don't they all have guns on them?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. Or else the next time I see you, I will have a gun.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Cryptoqueen on the Run? | $4 Billion Ponzi Scam

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So what I was saying is my call to action typically is to subscribe because I'm trying to build a community, right? I think that there are people who understand that if they know more about how the game is actually played, like the rules that govern society, they'll get better outcomes.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They'll get better outcomes in their family, at work, with their friends, in business transactions, in any area of the law. And by the time you hire a lawyer, most of the time you've already got yourself in a jam and the lawyer can just kind of barely help you. And so like my whole thing is I just want a community of people who's learning a little bit more about how the game is played.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And this is often a really big important element is putting other people on notice, like being able to prove that you told someone something. Right. Because people are always like, no, I didn't know. I remember. I never heard that. Yeah, I mean, whenever you look at any kind of scandal, for someone in government, it's what did she know and when did she know it, right?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That's all they ever ask because everything after that's a cover-up, typically. And there's some of those elements that are kind of coming out in the crypto queen story because she's got apparently friends inside of the Bulgarian government who are helping her evade, elude, capture.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Wait, before you go on, I want you to tell me how to pronounce her first name. Last name, Ignatova. First name, is it Ruza? Ruja?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Okay. Kind of a Z-ish J, Ruja.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I like that. According to Wiki, I could be right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. It's a fascinating thing when a person like Ignatova or a brand, a product, can tap into this thing inside of us that wants something more, something different in our lives, and it changes you. You get connected to it, and now it's a part of you. It broke down this friendship that you're talking about.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I mean, yeah, the Department of Justice has straight up labeled it as a Ponzi. They said they took early money. I mean, they took secondary money and gave it to early investors to prove that they were making money.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Had she timed her scam 18 months later, she could have made 10 times as much money. I mean, they basically say in bold caps, this is a Ponzi scheme. Our exit strategy is take the money and run.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So let me give the America's Attorney version of what a cryptocurrency is so that we're on the same page, okay? Right. Cryptocurrency is a closed ecosystem that if it works, it works because there is a blockchain that anyone can participate in, anyone can see, and no one can change. it is itself a record of everything. And it's not forgeable, it's not changeable, and it tracks everything.

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And that's why, I mean... That's why it will eventually... Digital currency will eventually rule the day. I don't know that it will be unbacked digital currency because of the volatility issues. I mean, no one wants to sell a bale of hay on Wednesday for a certain amount and then find out on Thursday that the money that they got is worth, you know, one third of whatever they got for it. But...

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What's fascinating about this is that they never had a blockchain program. They were selling cryptocurrency, but they never had a blockchain.

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I mean, Logan Paul.

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So I think it's important to have the larger crypto context here. This thing started in 14 and the wheels came off in 16 and she disappeared in 16. And I want to talk about her disappearance with you because I'm Like, I'm fascinated by it. New identities, I think, are like a really an American concept.

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Yes. I was off by one year. But the absolute rush into Bitcoin – where it blew up, happened after this. So her whole rise and fall occurred, although Bitcoin was definitely surging, it was happening. It wasn't how it got to be for the four-year period from 18 to 22. You feel like maybe people took this as a...

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No, I don't think so. I actually think had she timed her scam 18 months later, she could have made 10 times as much money.

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Yeah, because Bitcoin had already left the station and people are like, well, I can't invest in that. It's already gone up so much, but here's OneCoin. And that name is a baller name.

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She's a sucker. Okay, so first of all, you're putting $4 billion in my mouth. It never happened. The investments by country. They only got 50 million investments from the, invested from the U.S. in the first half of 2016. This is, it's mostly Chinese money that she got.

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Yeah, so, you make a joke, and I get it, but the reality is, like, she took, when she was peaking in terms of the amount that she was stealing from the public, It was only $50 million from the US. That is not a lot of money relative to the damage she was doing to people out in the world, right? Yes. You're a math whiz. What percent of $4 billion is $50 million? I don't know. I know.

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I think it's like maybe 1.2%. You know what? Turns out no one cares. 50 million? I'm good with 50 million. You would be good with 50 million. I mean, that's all Val Kilmer wanted in the Saint, right? He was stealing money, and he said 50 million, and I'm out. I hope my errors don't put that clip in. I love that move.

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Ruja. Ignatova. I got to call her the crypto queen because it's a totally awesome name. And she dubbed herself that. And that's like kind of, to me, the most important fact of this whole story.

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Okay. So, like, do you like it? Like, I mean, the way that I like it is because it's campy.

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Yeah.

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That feeling you're describing, that's the same feeling I get every time I tell one of my kids to do something and they obey me. I'm like, I can't believe that worked.

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I can't believe I'm in charge. Yeah. I don't even know if this is a good idea, but I do think you should go turn the stove on. No, so what I wanted to say is, had her scam started two years later, I think it would have been way, way bigger. And... But, I mean, we're all lucky, I guess, that it started earlier.

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But, like, one of the facts that I came across that I thought was astounding was they posted they were looking for a programmer. I think the article said it was posted on LinkedIn. This is from a BBC article. Looking for a job. This guy says, I'm interested. They call him up. He's like, it's a quarter of a million euros a year. And okay, what exactly will I be doing?

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And they say, well, we're a cryptocurrency company, OneCoin. We've been in operation for like a year and a half. And we need someone to develop a blockchain for us. And the guy reports that he basically hung up on them. He's like, how can I pretend that this is a legitimate company if you're telling me that your business is a blockchain and you're 18 months in and you don't have one?

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It was more like-

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walking in the neighborhood again how many how many shorts do you think he just gave us at what point did you decide that you were going to cooperate and like what was the mental struggle like was there ever a mental struggle of i'm not going to okay you know what i am going to so if my boss would have helped me and paid my lawyer i would have felt like a piece of shit cooperating but because the way he left me and how i got left and how things went down i did it with a smile

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Why do you think the people in the comments that aren't affiliated with the life at all care whether or not you cooperate?

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So you're doing a celebrity boxing event?

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Is it just one fight or is there multiple?

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I mean, I had some questions, but they're more so about the cooperation since we've kind of moved on that. Let's see. So when you're starting to cooperate, like when you sit down at that table, do they just say, all right, tell us everything? Or do they say, No. I'm curious about this specific thing.

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What are some other things that they do? Do you know?

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When you went to the witness protection unit, did you have to come up for yourself like your own kind of fake backstory? No.

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And do the actual inmates be like, hey, okay, this is... Do you guys kind of say who you really are?

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If you'd known it was bigger, would you have grown out your beard? If you knew the podcast was bigger, would you have grown out your beard before you went on?

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When I saw that thumbnail, I was like, I didn't even recognize it. I'll be honest with you.

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So like- How soon after you released did you go on that podcast?

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Did you have the option to go and witness protection when you're leaving?

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So the guys that have the opportunity to cooperate and don't, when they're facing, let's say, a large amount of time, five, ten plus years, why do you think they do not?

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Did you have relationships that, like, after you got out, that people were just like, I'm not talking to you anymore?

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How much money did you blow over the last eight months? $800 and something thousand. How do you do that?

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Yeah. I was going to say, I, I, uh, I actually have a buddy that has continually relapsed.

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And if it weren't for his family, you know, and friends, uh, just, I mean, literally it's like, there have been times he's definitely been homeless, like, but very briefly, you know, when I say, I mean, like sleeping in his car, sleeping behind a seven 11, but you know, they, he gets into a program, um, goes to the, uh, uh, goes to the red cross or wait, what, what do they call it? Um,

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The Salvation Army or what's the other one? Goodwill or they've got just different programs. And he's even been there where he stayed for like 18 months where they gave him a job and he stayed there and actually kind of worked there. And then he got out and he just, as he gets older, and I've known this guy my whole life. I mean, there have been times when he, and it's all addiction.

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There have been times when he went years away did great for three, four, five years and then relapse. And I noticed that as he's getting older, it's getting worse. Like he can't, you know, those, those, those, those times of sobriety are getting that gap is going from, you know, five years to four to three to, well, you know what I'm saying?

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It, it, it down to the point where it's like, he'll get sober for on his own a few months. In a program, maybe 90 days, you know, six months, or maybe six months. As soon as he's off on his own, got a job, back on his feet, he didn't last a month or two. And, yeah, I don't know what it is. And, you know, I've definitely had some interactions with homeless people.

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And to me, it always seemed like mental illness. But in his case, it's not mental illness. It's it's it's addiction. I just wonder, you know, I wonder what the problem is, because I've been to. So I've been to L.A. twice in the last couple of years and I've been to San Francisco in the last few years. And it's it's horrible. You know, the inner cities.

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No, I think it's the combination of those two things. I think one, it's he's he's not ready. He gets ready. He knows what first of all, he knows what to say to get help. He's got the system down and he's got family that just keeps pulling him up, pulling him up, pulling him up, playing no matter what.

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And, you know, the few times that, you know, we've spoken, I've been like, you know, don't help him. Let him be homeless. Let him hit bottom. He knows what to say to get you to help him, and he will clean up for a few weeks or a month or two, and he'll go right back to it.

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Because... It's so funny you say that. Yeah. Because I've said that many, many times. Like, you know, you don't understand tough love. That's the problem. You know what's funny about his sister? Because his dad's just done with him. His sister... I, you know, she, she is very big on what if he dies? I'd never forgive myself. And I'm like, let me explain something.

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I'm like, you've got two kids, an elderly father. I said, listen, you can only save so many people. I said, and sometimes it's a matter of just, it's triage, you know, sure. If you could dedicate him, but you, are you going to put him before you put your two kids, your, your elderly father, who's been there for you your entire life, like At this point, it's sink or swim.

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And this guy, you know, I mean, you're doing more damage. I said, you're doing more damage by helping him at this point. Yep. And this is the thing, too. Like, he's been in and out of programs. He's been to rehab over and over. He's been in the Salvation Army multiple times. And I even told her, I said, look, I would have some sympathy if it was mental illness. But it's not.

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Yeah. I was, yeah. The manipulation is it's funny. It's, it's funny too, because like the, he is such a nice guy. Like I, I, you know, some of these guys are so they're such nice guys, which is make, you know, it's even harder. It's like, you know, he, he is a nice guy.

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He's also a guy that's manipulative and, you know, he's got, you know, major issues and he's bringing you down and he's depressed and it's so, Um, I wonder what the, with the exception of building a massive project housing these people, which all, which you're saying, you know, isn't the solution. Like, and you're saying outreach is the solution.

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You think 75% of the time you could probably what re acclimate them back into society.

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Right. With some, and would you, would you, would you say, would you say get them into, uh,

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Oh, listen, I've talked to this guy until he's blue in the face and he's so good. He's like, you know, I know you're right. You're right. It's like, stop, stop it. Don't do that to me.

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Stop doing the whole telling me exactly what I want to hear. Um, what, what I was going to say, do you ever, do you ever watch soft light underbelly? Uh, yes. Mark. Yeah.

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No, no. I was going to say he's, he's amazing. And you know, have you ever seen the videos of him walking through? Cause I did a, an episode with him. Yeah. I was interviewed by him and you know, prior to going out to LA and, and meeting him, I had watched several of the episodes. Some of them, I just can't watch, you know, my, my wife will watch 10 of them in a row. Can't get enough.

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And I'm like, it's, I can't watch them. It's depressing. It's, you know, and she just can't get enough of watching these things. And I, I just can't. But I had watched several. And what was so funny about that is, I remember listening to these people's stories and every once in a while you could hear sirens or someone in the background screaming or cars screeching.

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And then I went out to LA and he picked me up and we drove to Skid Row because that's where his studio is. I had no idea. I remember watching it and I remember thinking, oh, he throws in sound effects. No, just outside the door are people fighting and screaming and sirens and everything. And if you see him walk through, I mean, he's gone through hell. Just doing the videos and being down there.

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He's been robbed multiple times. He's invested in many, many of the people that have come to him and pled for help. He's put them in hotel rooms and apartments. Some of them have just, I'm not going to say bled him dry, but they have just milked him for money until he finally just gives up on them. And he's like, yeah, it's definitely a situation where you're right.

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You can't just throw money at the problem.

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You know, we have a lot. You think the funds are there. They just need to be reallocated.

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you realize like, like prisons are just filled with people with mental illness. Um, I, I've actually, anybody who has ever watched this, uh, you know, my, uh, you know, my interviews has probably heard me talk about the multiple guys with mental problem. Matter of fact, in Coleman, in the facility I was at at Coleman. So they have, they have 12 units.

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There's like three buildings and four units in each building. So there's 12. They have a one unit. It's got over 150 guys in it that just have mental problems. So that's one twelfth of that population. Listen, a ton of other people do, but they're functional. You can be functional, have mental illness in prison and be functional because you're told what to do, where to go.

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Other inmates will help kind of maneuver you, you know, Hey, you gotta get to your cell. Hey, you gotta do this. Hey, you got, you know, they'll kind of help structure your day, but some of the guys are just so unstructured. And I, I remember it. I mean, there's multiple stories, but this one inmate, they called him Mr. Freeze. He had narcolepsy, extreme narcolepsy, and he had gotten himself.

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He was addicted to like a, um, I want to say crack cocaine. And he ended up in state prison. In Florida, in state prison, it's very hot and there's no air conditioning. They just have fans. So he hated it. And he told his cellies, he hated it there. He said, I don't know why they don't have air conditioning. And his cellies were like, oh, you want to go to federal prison.

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They have air conditioning. You should get yourself moved to federal. I mean, just messing with him. You have to commit a federal crime, he said, and they'll move you to a federal prison, which isn't necessarily the case. And so he writes a letter to President Bush threatening to kill him, you know, kill him, his whole family. I remember he said he was going to rape the dog.

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And I remember thinking that that was a nice touch. You know, just bizarre. The guy was just a complete mental case. I mean, there was no way you could have a conversation and not know there's a serious problem. Well, the Secret Service, they come and they question him. They indict him. He's brought to federal court.

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He's given, I think, I want to say seven years or something for writing a letter about killing the president that he couldn't possibly have. even if it was really his intent. And they knew what his intent was. I think the judge had even said, I understand what's happening here and what you were going for, but it is illegal, blah, blah, blah.

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Even if he was able, even if that was his intent, this guy couldn't get himself to Washington. He couldn't get himself a gun. He couldn't have pulled off anything that he said in that letter. They still gave him six or seven years and he ended up in federal prison after he did his state sentence. And he was in this unit.

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And, you know, like that, like it seems like to me, prisons are are the the mental wards that no longer really exist for these people. Like the system just wants to throw them away. And, you know, I mean, granted, it's not as bad as, you know, Nazi Germany, where they're just executing them. But instead, you're just locking them up forever. Like they're not helping these guys.

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Yeah, I was going to say like here, like probably the most you're going to get here for, I don't think there's any place that they really can lock them down and give them treatment for a certain period of time. Mostly you just get locked up for like you're baker acted. I don't know if what they call it in Oregon, but it's either they'll marchman act them or baker act them.

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And baker acting is like it's drug, no, Now that's mental illness. Marchman acted, I think is, um, drug addiction. If you're, if they're afraid you'll harm yourself as a result of drugs, I think I'm, or I might have them confused anyway. Yeah.

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You get locked up for three days and then they release you even though they know you've got an issue until eventually you commit a crime that they can lock you up, throw you in prison. Then you're in prison. Supposedly you're going to get, you're going to get counseling in prison. That's not going to happen. Well, I shouldn't say that you, you, you might get some counseling, you know, but

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The doctors are, listen, nobody ends up at the top of their field and ends up working for a prison. The doctors that are there are just, they're just trying to collect their check and go home. They're not really trying. I believe that. To do anything. Although they do have a drug program. in federal prison. They have them in state prisons too.

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And most of them are based kind of on the federal system. They have one in federal prison. It's called RDAP. And it really has very little to do with drugs at all. It's really about behavior modification as far as criminal thinking is concerned. And it's actually a really good program. And pretty much, I'd say, out of the five people that run the one in Coleman,

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I would say four of them are, were really seriously dedicated. There was one guy who you could just, he, he's like, he just wanted to get his check and go home. It was like, fill out the paperwork. I'll grade the books. Let's have a talk. Okay. Everything's fine. Let's move on. He just wanted to go home.

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But the other doctors are, and they call them a drug treatment specialist, even though you never really talked about drugs. Um, they genuinely wanted to be there. So that was actually a good program. I just don't know why. And I get what you're saying about, you know, the prison, prisons, you know, profiting. It just seems to me it costs so much money to incarcerate someone.

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And it really, in comparison, it costs so little money to to treat someone for drug addiction and mental illness, where that's something that's correctable. I mean, let's face it. Incarceration, you get out, you're good for a couple of years, maybe, and you go right back to prison. It's just a complete cycle over and over and over again.

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Where if you kept these guys on, if you did give them someone that could keep tabs on them,

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Just like they do in federal prison and most state prisons, you'll do a sentence of five or 10 years and then you have several years of supervised release or probation where you have a probation officer and they kind of keep an eye on you and where are you working and what are you doing and who are you living with and who are you hanging out with?

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And so after several years of that, you become so acclimated to behaving correctly, you have a better chance. you know, maybe not a great chance, but a better chance of acclimating back into society as a decent citizen. So, yeah, I don't know.

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Yeah, you're reactive.

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What is going to happen? Is Oregon as bad as California for homeless people?

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What's going to happen when, I mean, there's so many people leaving California. There's so many businesses that are leaving. They've got a deficit. Like what's going to happen when they They keep pushing these progressive programs that aren't helping, and now their tax base is leaving. It's affecting the people that live there. They don't even want to live there anymore.

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Is there a lot of violence or murders among the homeless? Or just violence?

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Okay. Um, do you want, like, is there any, anything that people that watch this, like you want them to go to any links or anything like that in the description?

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Yeah. Well, I appreciate you talking with me.

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Well, yeah, I appreciate that. Tyler, you talked to Tyler. He's always suggesting different people and that I mean, I keep telling him, you know, true crime, true crime, true crime. You know, that's what I need to stick with, true crime. But, you know, we spoke and it seemed interesting in that clip.

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And honestly, I'm surprised you haven't been harmed at this point, going in and out of those places. Well, I've been harmed multiple times.

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It's really cool. All right. Absolutely. Hey, thank you guys for watching the video. Do me a favor. If you liked the video, subscribe to the channel, hit the bell. So you get notified, leave a comment and I'm going to leave all of Kevin's links in the description, including the link for the 18 minute documentary, his social media links. And so, yeah, I appreciate it. Thank you very much. See ya.

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So how did you get into this? Where were you born, raised? It's a good question. I'm 52 years old.

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Hey, this is Matt Cox. I'm here with Kevin Dahlgren. He is a homeless consultant and he's got some interesting stories regarding homeless issues and it's going to be interesting video. Check it out. So I watched that video you sent me. Um, what, like, I know we, we texted about it, but what, what happened in, in the video?

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So what do you typically, like what is your typical, I hate to say day because obviously this is probably not a typical day, but what, what's your typical month? Like, um, you know, like what do you do for organizations? What do you do when you go out to these places? Like, like how are you, how are you making a living? Well, I am,

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what we're spending our money on and maybe diverting funds towards the actual outreach because that is that is where we learn the problem and that is where we're going to kind of save the lives is once we understand it well if nobody's going out and actually talking with these guys and and figuring out you know how to you know help with their problems to get them back you know in this acclimated back into society then where's the money going that is dumped into this problem

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No, no. This was you had been talking to like a homeless guy and then a bunch of guys in coats came and just started beating on him.

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So what's the majority of the problem? Is it drugs or is it mental illness or is it a combination?

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I was living with mom. Okay. And she told me, she goes, when it was a DEA agent, and he...

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And it reeked like meat. They did not, so... And she was like, um, I don't think that's from Amazon. Because that's what he said, where it was coming from, was Amazon. And she goes, I don't think that is an Amazon package. And he goes, well... Is it yours? Because it's addressed to your address. Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I love Office Space.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But it's New York or Rochester's the only, well, no, actually I've been in New York city just recently, but I actually went there and went to Niagara falls. So I've been to Rochester and,

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Did you have any experience at all in... And putting in... I'm pretty handy. They're not pools, right?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You're saying it gradually just got larger and larger.

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So, all right. So, I mean, but at this point, this isn't like you're, you're, you're bumping into somebody in the hallway and giving them a dime bag. Like at this point you got, you're showing up someplace with, you know, multiple, you know, whatever, five, 10 pounds of weed, you know, in your trunk and handing it off. I mean, this was like. Yeah, I was doing.

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So I wrote a story for this guy named Deverelli and Deverelli hat was a matter of fact, did you see the movie War Dogs? Yeah, a long time ago. But I don't even remember where the, I don't remember. War Dogs was, it was these two kids from Miami who started selling weapons to the U.S. government for the Afghan security forces. Oh, okay, I did see that. Yeah, so, and Jonah Hill plays Deverelli.

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I was locked up with Deverelli. I wrote his memoir. But what's so funny about him is literally he had four or $5 million in the bank. He was living in this shitty apartment driving a 10 or 15 year old Mercedes. And it was like, and I'm sitting there going, well, when did you buy another car? He's like, you know, I, he said, I honestly didn't spend any money until after he got indicted.

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Like, I mean, if you watch the movie, it's, they changed a bunch of stuff, but I mean, he just, you know, to him, the thrill and what he enjoyed was making money. And, and he wasn't, he didn't live lavishly and he didn't, you know, and, and when I compare myself to someone like, you know, like that, like, I don't think I live lavishly too, but I had a brand new car. Yeah. You know what I mean?

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But some guys are just like, I don't know. I don't know if that it's that, um, I want to say that, uh, my mom used to call it, um, uh, depression mentality where you're always kind of feel like you're broke. Like you don't spend money, you save money. You, that's what you do. Like you don't want to spend any money.

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And this is all, these are all hidden compartments?

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Nice. I read an article one time where the Mexicans had a manufacturing plant that were building telephone poles. You know those big, like they're like 10, 15 feet round, right? They're concrete, but they're hollow in the center, and they packed it full of like... coke or meth or whatever it was and they put them on these these 18 wheelers and had the highway patrol

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actually they came from Mexico, the highway patrol, like would block of the U S blocks off the road and would, and you know, had them, uh, escorted them all the way into where they were to the construction company that was supposed to use them. And then they drop them off. And then that night, and it's just like, it's like two or three poles at a time.

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And anyway, they ended up getting busted, but yeah, it was, it was, it's, uh, it's amazing how ingenuitive they, that smugglers can get with moving that stuff.

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Well, it's like the cartel where they shoot people through the ports of entry. They send five of them in there, and then they tip off. There's something in this car. They grab that car, and the other people just go right through. There you go. It's just distraction or whatever you want to call it. Sleight of hand.

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But you guys didn't, I mean, from what I understand, you didn't have a lot of money. Like, you know, you weren't like you started selling, uh,

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Listen, I feel like I would be terrified. And what's so funny is like what I did, people were like, are you insane? Like you walked in the bank, gave them fake documents, signed the stuff, got a check and you weren't worried at all. But I wasn't worried because I knew what the bank was doing. You know, I knew, I knew how it worked. I knew what the underwriting was.

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I knew what, what all the security, all the security measures. So I felt confident. So to me, like meeting some guy in a parking lot, you know, and unloading, you know, 200 pounds of, of drugs to me, I would be, I'd be waiting for the cop. I'd be waiting for the helicopters to land. I would be, you know, because there's so many people there. One, there's so much law enforcement that it's,

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that is focused on stopping it. And there's so many people involved in all of the transaction. Anybody down the line could have been arrested, flipped, and then they just followed all the way back to you.

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No, I was going to say, yeah, intuition. Like I, I'm a huge believer in intuition. Like sometimes I'll talk to somebody, I can just feel something, you know what I mean? Like, you know, the person's nice and everything. And you're like,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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something's not right or you're like yeah the guy's nice and everything but the truth is this guy can't stand me you just know it and everybody's like well what do you mean i'm like i could feel it what do you mean you could feel it he was cool he was nice we were joking you were saying was good man that guy despises me i promise you and later on of course it comes out like that that guy is talking shit he can't stand you or or even if it's like you know you're dating a chick and she comes home and everything's fine and just like normal but

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Something's wrong. And you find out two weeks later, she's banging her ex-boyfriend and you're like, fuck, I knew it. I felt it. Listen, every time I've ever been caught, every time I've ever had a girlfriend start accusing me of cheating, I was. And I used to always go, you're crazy, you're crazy. The truth is, intuition's a motherfucker. You just know. And I didn't do anything different.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. When did you... So, I mean, at what point did you decide, like, you were going to start, you know, selling pot or...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I was saying just, are you dating different women?

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And I'm like, we're both wanted. Like, what are you doing? I mean, and I literally grabbed stuff, threw it in a bag, ran down the hallway. She would go in the hallway and be like, run. That's all you're good for. Run. And I was just like, Jesus. Run. Jump in my car. Leave. And then, of course, she comes down. Starts calling. I'm sorry. I love you. Please don't leave. I'm sorry.

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And one time she called and I heard the... And she's like, hold on. Somebody's at the door. I'm like, yeah, the cops are at the door. There's no doubt. She opened it. Sure enough, there's two cops there saying, listen, we got some phone calls. What's going on? So I know exactly what you're saying. How you describe it is exactly the feeling.

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Had I been there and the cops showed up at that time in, I don't know what it is now, but in that time in Charlotte, North Carolina, if they showed up and there was domestic violence, somebody has to go to jail. So I would have had to go, you know, one of us has to go to jail. Like, we can't be fingerprinted, bro.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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This is a bad situation. And she's insane. And who knows what she'll say? Like, I can't tell you how many times she was like, you know, I make one phone call. It's like... I know.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You don't need this. It was very delicate, what I had to do. I ended up getting this chick an apartment of her own. So she has her own apartment. I'm still getting phone calls at 2 in the morning. You got to come pick me up. Well, if you want me to drive, I can drive. No, no. No, no. You're not driving. I'll come get you. I mean, she's a loose cannon.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And that's dangerous. The kind of chicks that date guys that they know are drug dealers aren't solid. Like it's almost impossible to find that chick because most women, the moment they kind of realize like, oh, wow. think this guy's a drug or whatever it is. I think he's committing fraud. I think this guy's a fucking fraud. Like most chicks are like, look, I don't know what's going on.

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I'm out of here. Like they have to have a certain mindset to be OK with it. And if they are OK with it, there's something not quite right. Things are going to go wrong. You can't expect this is the kind of chick that's going to scream at 2 in the morning periodically. Periodically, maybe she's got a drug problem.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That's not normal behavior to say, I'm a solid, upstanding citizen, and I do everything right. My boyfriend or my husband happens to be shipping in 500 kilos of cocaine every month, but he's a nice guy. I mean, we have two kids. It's fine.

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Well, she'll probably contact you after this.

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28. You own a house?

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We didn't really talk about it, but she was a, so why, why you, I mean, if you're doing most of this in, in, on the, on the East coast, why the house in California?

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I was gonna say that's not, not for having to go to jail for a 10 year mandatory minimum.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. Hold on. Do you know what a BlackBerry is? Yes. Okay, good. Yes.

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She's probably struggled to get the $3,000. Maybe she didn't even know what was in there.

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No, she didn't have any idea.

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Missy had no clue either. So, you know, what's funny is that, you know, I've written a bunch of stories, right? Like true crime stories. And one, what you just, the black box, the wires, the whole thing, you can literally go to that story, American Narco, about those guys. They were shipping in from California, I mean, from Mexico, like concrete tiles, right?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. I think, you know, you were, you mentioned this earlier. It's like most people, well, you didn't mention it. I actually watched, I think you mentioned it on another video I saw where you were talking about how like most people, most, most guys that are selling drugs or come from, you know, a fucked up background.

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And in the tiles was this metal box with a red light. I was like, a red light? Why would they even have the red light on there? He's like, they pulled it out and they like stomped on it and took off running. And, you know, they just panicked. And the feds had pictures of them and everything. And a couple days later, they came and arrested both of them. But it's funny. The...

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The shipping across the country. I wrote a story about a guy who they would... And I guess this is pretty common where they would buy a car at the auction and they just stuff the car and then they pay a legitimate... trucker to load the car on the thing and take the car and drop it off somewhere like this legit.

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Like he, so if he gets pulled over, he's like, and the cops search it and they find something. He's like, I don't know. I didn't know it was on there. I was just there. We charged $350 to move cars. Like I got eight cars on this thing. Yeah.

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You know, so that happens sometimes and sometimes they'll do it and they'll, you know, they'll put a device in and let it keep going just to figure out that's, that's like, that's common. Um, but yeah,

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And they just kind of go away for a year or so and kind of just watch and then come back. And even though they – it's like, well, why didn't they bust them back then? Eh, we had other stuff to do. Or like you said, it was – there was no reason. It wasn't enough to do anything about it right this second. We didn't have everything we really needed for a solid enough case.

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And then they just walk away and let them go for a little bit and they come back and bust them for – they build a case, build up the case, and now you've got –

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Uh, you know, it's, you know, out of desperation, like nobody, very few people I think are raised saying, Hey, I want to grow up and be a drug dealer, you know? So it's usually out of necessity. Right. Um, but I think, you know, in my own case, it's like what I initially, when I started doing crime, it was out of necessity, but then you start making the money and,

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five years or two years or three years and now you're really got some problems because they in the federal system is you know ghost dope you know they don't even have to catch you with the drugs um so i'm here's what i'm wondering is how much how much weight was in the um in the trailer that they got you with how long had they because that sounds like that's just a fluke yeah this was a small load there was only like 300 pounds in that trailer it was it was the end of the season small well back

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And it's like, OK, well, now you've got the money. You're doing OK. Then it becomes, I think, kind of an ego thing. I mean, it was for me. You know, it was like once I was doing well, it was like, well, I could have cut back. But instead, this is something I was good at.

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But she's really... So instead of saying, like, I don't know what's going on, she's saying, I've been doing this for six months.

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Oh yeah, you figure out who your friends are, you figure out, like I was thinking, you're thinking you get a passport. Yeah, you could get a passport, but you could have then lived for the next 15 years and then been picked up by just some coincidence, some guy that knew you is in South America and recognizes you and calls the police and you've built a whole new life and you're like, damn.

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Then you get yanked up. and you go to jail for 10 years or 15. The idea that you're going to just disappear nowadays, man, that's tough. That's tough.

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Even if you have all the right documents. Plastic surgery. I've had plastic surgery. Multiple, when I was on the run, multiple plastic surgeries. Even when they grabbed me, the feds had pictures of me, the old pictures, and they were like, and one guy is behind the lead agent going, I don't think it's him, bro. And he's like, I don't think it's him. He's like, nah, it's him.

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Look at his eyes, it's him, it's him. I had lost weight, I had a nose job, I had a facelift, I had two hair transplants, had my teeth done. Bro, I went all out. I'm telling you. And the same thing. The problem is it's always the fly in the ointment. You could do everything right and somebody else makes a mistake or bumps into you and you're like, damn, I had it all lined up.

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You can't account for everything, which is exactly what you're saying is like – you know, something would have happened. Like, you know, what if they had caught you with, what if they'd been watching you for 18 months

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and then said, okay, and the load they cut you with is 1,000 pounds, and then the guy they grabbed said, man, I've been dropping off, I don't know how much is in the truck, but I think it's around probably whatever this is, 1,000 pounds. I've been dropping that off twice every two weeks for the last 18 months, and they add that up, and your mandatory minimum's 20 years. It could be so much worse.

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I don't typically commit crime, but when I do, it's bank fraud. Stay greedy, my friends.

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No, this is what I'm waiting for because I saw that on the other thing where you got locked up and then you were locked up almost, what, a year and a half, two years, and then your lawyer comes to you and you're like, didn't believe and believe that that was even going to be possible.

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No, and I will put, I mean, we're going to, I'll put the links and the whole thing. So, um,

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But you're laundering drug money to pay.

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What you get is the, we'll consider it substantial assistance. We'll consider it. Cooperation. Yeah, yeah. It's totally up to them. Totally up to them.

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That's what they're thinking.

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So you hadn't been sentenced yet, though. No. So you were still in the U.S. Marshal's holdover. There you go. Okay. But they're going to charge you. They're just going to consider it for a reduction and not give you what you should have gotten, right?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. So you would have gotten the mandatory minimum sentence. Which would have been what? 10 years, right?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Okay. Yeah. Okay. So they got like two, two, 300, what? 200 pounds, 300 pounds, 300 pounds. Yeah. So they got 300 pounds. I didn't know. I thought that was the 10 years. Everybody I wasn't.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, you're right. Cause okay. Carrie got caught with like 1100 pounds.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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um well he got caught with 1100 pounds i think or 2200 pounds i forget anyway it was a lot yeah so okay that's why he got 10 his was his and this other guy they were that was 10. um so so you but you still got sentenced eventually yeah after my lawyer's like all right they're gonna get after i paid now they have close to 12 million in my between cash and gold

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And those people are going to get busted anyway. But listen, everybody you were dealing with has probably been busted and gone to prison anyway. You know what? That's what fucking happened.

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That wasn't, I'm sorry, I was gonna say, I wrote a story about a guy that got, he got arrested, didn't tell on the other two guys for, because they got him for one crime The FBI knew these two guys had helped him with another robbery. So he didn't say anything. He said, I know not to say anything. So I just took the, whatever it was, 11 or 12 years and just took it.

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I was like, you're a fucking idiot. He said, yeah, well, you know what happened. They end up busting these guys for that crime without his help. These guys immediately turn on him. They re-indict the guy in prison who didn't talk. They re-indicted him.

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He got something like 13 more years, and he's now doing like 24 years in federal prison for not cooperating against the two guys that immediately cooperated against him. And that just happens. People, they think that code, you don't do it. God, man, I've seen it go bad so many times.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I don't want to do any of that, but it was just... Right, so you didn't tell them about it. They already did. They just knew about the gold. Somebody else had told them about it. Oh, okay. Okay, I thought you just said, went and decided, here, I'll go do it.

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My true crime story.

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Are you working on it, getting something? Or are you just waiting for it to fall out of the sky? Fuck, man. Because I waited a couple of years for it to fall out of the sky and it just doesn't happen.

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no it's not that it doesn't happen it's that you you do you get contact you've already I know you've already had you've already had producers contact you right want to talk to you and you take the meeting and they're going to talk to Jim and they're going to get their team together you know how many times I've heard I'm going to bring this back to my team I swear to God I want to jump through the fucking screen every time I hear it they're like okay well I'm glad we had a good talk and I've read your synopsis and I read this and so I'm going to bring this to my team okay well that's a kiss of death so what's your advice should I take the VH1 thing just do it I would do the

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Why not do it? To me, listen, I did it. Listen, here's my only problem with the VH1 thing that I did. Obviously, listen, they can't tell. First of all, you're talking about an hour program. You're looking at them doing maybe 41 minutes on you. My problem was, you know, it's, it's, it's a, what was, what's the chick's name? Mickey or Nikki, somebody, Nikki, somebody who does the narration for it.

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It's all hype. It's all flash. It's about redemption. It's all. So it's a cutesy little program. It's not a big deal, but you don't know who's going to see that. Like your story could be done by a polished director and production company and it could be phenomenal. It could be amazing. This is a silly little rendition that's 40 minutes long. You're maybe 15 or 20 minutes of it.

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Most of its narration was some reenactments. It's silly. My only real problem with it was they put so much makeup on me. I was infuriated. You couldn't tell them to not put it on you? I should because they kept saying, no, it's going to look good. I know it looks like a lot now, but on camera, it looks perfect. I'm sitting there thinking, they're professionals. It doesn't look good on camera.

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It looks horrible. Listen, they fly you out. They'll give you whatever, a few thousand dollars or whatever you negotiate. I'll tell you what I got, which probably wasn't much, but But they also interviewed my girlfriend and another friend. And we got to go to New York and hang out for a few days. And it was cool. But somebody could see that.

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Hey, this is Matt Cox, and I am here with Eric Canore. And Eric has an interesting story. He was, it was like you were the largest.

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Somebody at Netflix or one of these production companies sees that and goes, listen, I saw that. And they'll know, look, it's hokey. They're gonna be like, look, you've got a story here. They can't do your story justice in 40 minutes. You know it and I know it. They'll cut it down to just a couple little hype events.

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But if somebody comes in and says, hey, your story's a three-part series of an hour. This is a three-hour or four-part series on Netflix. Then they come in and they do a real documentary on it. Maybe that documentary ends up doing well. And the next thing you know, you've got Warner Brothers coming in saying, we want to do a movie or we want to do a series. We think you've got a whole series.

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You're in your early 20s doing all this with DEA watching you and guys getting busted around you. Like this could be...

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not breaking bad but something along those lines you know yeah so you know to me it's like you know oh i don't want to get overexposed like what like nike like i mean what do you mean somebody told me that that was the publicist that was working she mentioned that so i kind of took it to heart but whatever maybe i'll follow through when i get out when i get out of this interview i'll give a little jingling and call them up see if they um yeah i was gonna say definitely um

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So, I mean, at what point did you, when you graduated high school, did you go to college?

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I was going to say, yeah, another thing, and he'll keep all that. This is another thing that you might want to think about. You have a book. Do you have a synopsis of the book?

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what a synopsis yeah it's on the website how many words is it do you know like under a thousand under a thousand words okay so it's like a summary um i was gonna say because a lot of times you can pitch um if you have like a synopsis is better to pick like like let's say eight you sorry, 8,000 to 10,000 word synopsis of your story is probably better than handing someone the book.

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You see what I'm saying? Because people are like, man, you know how many books I get handed? I can't be reading. This is 10 or 12 hours.

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That's nice. Straight out, five years supervised release. They didn't cut me loose, though. Did you go into a halfway house? Yeah, I wish I had. I mean... Honestly, if I had money set aside where I was getting out to something, I would have just stayed in prison. I would have stayed in the low because the halfway house was worse than being in the low.

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But I needed to go because I needed to save up money. I didn't have any money, so I needed that seven months. It's not like anybody packed up my clothes and stuck them in boxes waiting for me. My stuff was gone. I started with nothing. So what are you doing now?

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Okay. What happened to the fountains? Oh, I haven't done that in years.

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Is there anything we didn't get to?

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What are the other shows, the other podcasts that you've done? Is that their angle of... I get a lot of guys that... Bear with me one more minute. I get a lot of guys that come on and they... They don't want to tell, they don't want to talk about what got them to prison.

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They just want to say, you know, so I messed up and I was, I was selling Coke and I was selling this and I, I, you know, made a mistake and I got busted and, you know, I, I, I got 10 years. I went to prison, but then I changed my life and I did this and I did that. And it's like, whoa, wait. Like, how did you get to prison? Yeah, you know, it was just a bad situation.

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But, you know, then I went to prison. It's like they want to talk about, they want their whole story to be about redemption. And there's a lot of podcasts out there and a lot of guys like just focus on redemption.

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i'm a changed person i've done it was it was a bad time you know they they do this whole thing and it's like so i i've talked to people who are like they do that and then sometimes i'm like yeah let's go back and they almost like they don't want to talk about like what got them to prison and i was wondering like what's it like to be on one of those shows i i haven't been on one of those shows and plus i don't

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Listen, he's heard me say the exact same thing. Like, you know how good it is out here. Like you've got, you've got cell phones, you've got YouTube, you've got like Netflix, like, like you can eat whatever you want. Like you have no, until you've been stripped of everything and the guards are talking to you like you're just a dog. And, you know, honestly, you don't know how good it is.

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Like I can never get upset. We should be blessed in a way that we had that opportunity to stop us. I think it completely, it fundamentally altered like the person I am. Like I'm absolutely not even close to, well, I'm still an arrogant prick, but the difference is now I kind of know. The difference is now I feel bad for the people that have to deal with me.

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Where before it was just like, you're lucky to be around me. And now when I'm talking to somebody, I realize, ah, you're kind of being a douchebag. I'm kind of like, I step back and then I'm like, oh man, like,

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I try and kind of re you know I start to realize okay you're being a douche like you need to calm down like you just stop and then I kind of like you said I kind of reset and say hey what's going on sorry about that I this I that and I where I never did that before prison I would have never done that yeah and then in writing too like I think writing like so helps you lay out a plan and

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Well, where are you getting it from? I mean, if you're starting to move, you know what I'm saying? You're starting to move product. I mean, usually the guy, the one guy you, you're basically wiping him out pretty quick. If you're got buying more and more and more.

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Yeah, I definitely, the childhood thing, like until I went to prison, if somebody asked me like, oh, well, why'd you do all that? I would just say, ah, you know, I needed the money, man. I just needed the money. But then you go to, I went to prison and I started writing, I started reading books about how to write a memoir, you know, and how to write nonfiction.

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And then you kind of start having to look back at your life and say, what influenced me to do these things? Because what's, what shocked me was that is that, is that Connor, if Connor needed money, you know what he's not going to do? He's not going to go commit fraud. He's not going to go sell drugs. He's not going to, he's going to get an extra job. He's

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it they they just they don't do it i always say most people will commit a crime in the right circumstances but most people will take all of the extra steps before they get there my first thought is fraud what i'm broke i need some money there's fraud like that's the first thing i think of how do i get away with committing some fraud so i can get some money and so i kind of when i was writing my book i started looking back and saying well what is it in your childhood that

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made you think that was even an option a first option and it's the same thing like you said like like obviously something in your childhood you know was shaped you to say hey what are the things that i can do to make money and and morality didn't really enter into it like that's not really a part of it it's what do i need to do to make money it doesn't matter if it's

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Just people helping people? Yeah. You're just trying to help people?

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All right. And here it is. It's legal now. I was going to say, my mom used to break every single day she broke the law because she had all of her medications, and she had one of those week-long planners for pills, and she popped it open, and she would take it out of one container and drop it into Monday and put three or four pills in...

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in a container and close it you just committed a federal crime by removing those out of a marked uh they have to stay they have to stay in the uh in the prescription bottle until you ingest them if you take them and place them into another bottle especially if you co-mingle them you've committed a federal crime so every day she's weak she's putting them all in there and taking those pills and that's a that's a crime like most people there was that book that was written a felony a day

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But they talk about all the felonies that people commit on a daily basis and don't even think about it. So, yeah. So, I mean, everybody's committing, you know, doing something wrong at some point or cheating on their taxes. Yeah, that's a big one. People are okay with that. Almost everybody's okay with cheating in some way on their taxes. Just a little bit.

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Bummer. What a bummer to leave it on. No, we don't want to leave it like that. Fuck.

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Just kidding. All of you guys getting out in your 70s, you guys have a good time. These guys are going to get out and go walk right into a bank and rob a bank so they can go right back to prison because they're 70 years old. You know what I mean, guys? I knew they're going to get out at 60, 70, nothing. They have nothing. Yeah, that's got to be tough.

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Imagine you don't even know if you have, you don't even have like social security.

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So could you imagine if every federal judge before they took the bench had to do 60 days as a normal inmate? You can't say you're a federal judge. You won't go in. Boom, that's it. Listen, do you know how different the sentencing sentences would be and the prison system would be? Because they would have so much more empathy for inmates. And I'm not saying it should be nice.

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13 years? You could have given me a couple of years. I'm good. I got it. I got you. Yeah. No, I'm good. Thank you. 13 years. I had to do 13 years. Fuck. Yeah.

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I was supposed to do, I got over 26. 26 years and four months. But unlike you, I don't have any scruples about ratting out every single person. I was ready to cut every single person's throat I could to get out of that fucking prison. Everybody. But I was on the run for three years. So by the time they caught me, everybody had already cooperated.

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So when I was ready to fucking tell on everybody, that didn't help me. I ended up having to file a 2255 because they asked me to be interviewed by Dateline NBC News and American Greed. And then after I'd been locked up a couple of years, the government asked me to write an ethics and fraud course to help teach mortgage brokers. So I did that.

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And you know what they said when I said, okay, I did it. They said, I said, you said you'd consider it substantial assistance. And they said, we did consider it. And it's not. And so I had to hire a guy. Well, not hire. I had to get a lawyer in prison who was in prison with me to file a 2255 to get the government to reduce my sentence by seven years. So then I came back to prison.

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And a guy that I knew that was running a Ponzi scheme or had run a Ponzi scheme who was in the middle of cooperating against other people had buried a bunch of gold and money.

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It turns out it was, well, one, he dug up like six million, I think, and given it to them. But he'd given his soon-to-be ex-wife money, gold. Well, it was gold and silver, bars, and some cash. But he said it was like $100,000, $150,000. And he'd given his brother, he said, he's got maybe $10,000 or $20,000. And I was like, oh, okay. And...

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And so a couple of weeks later, maybe a month later, I was talking to my lawyer. I had asked her to send me some transcripts, which she never sent. So I called her to say, hey, are you going to send those? And we were talking and she asked me, anything going on in there? I was like, no, not really. Because I didn't think they would give me anything for saying anything. I was like, no, not really.

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And she goes, you sure? Nothing you want to talk about? And my lawyer never wanted to talk to me. It was almost weird. I was like, no, nothing. I went, well, I said, you know what's weird? I said, listen to this. And I told her what happened. And she said, let me look into it. She didn't want to look into anything before. She wouldn't even be my lawyer anymore. We were done.

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I'd already been sentenced, resentenced. So a week later, I get called by SIS. You know, the CEO comes up to me and goes, Cox, you gotta go to SIS. I'm like, what? Oh, okay. So I go to SIS. What's up? They're like, come here, sit down. I'm like, yeah, what's up? Hold on. Talk to this guy. Pick up the phone. Guy says, hey, my name is agent so-and-so with the Secret Service. And I'm like, the fuck?

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I'm like, what's up? And he goes, I understand that you know where money has been hidden by Ron Wilson. And I went, oh, no, wait a minute. I said, I do, but it's not a lot of money. It's not millions of dollars. It's a little bit of money. And I want something in writing. So I'm not telling you anything. He's like, well, who's got it? I'm like, I'm not telling you anything. Like, get me something.

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Talk to my lawyer. So they ended up writing a letter saying, you give us something if somebody's indicted or we recover money. And I told him I wanted recovered money, any money that I wanted my sentence reduced because I didn't think they'd indict this guy. You know, like he's got he got 19 and a half years.

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Yeah. Well, yeah. He dug it up, though.

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Gave it to him. Because, you know, he was trying to mitigate his role, which didn't help. It didn't help him. And he did that all prior. So what ended up happening was he... What happened was... They ended up coming back and they gave me something in writing, which was bullshit. It was a, we'll consider it substantial assistance, which means nothing, but I had something in writing.

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So I said, okay, I said, look, this is all he told me. He told me his brother has maybe 20, 30 grand in cash. He told me his, his. You know, his ex-wife has like $150,000 in cash, but he's afraid she's going to give it to you guys because she found out he was having an affair when they were married. They were in the middle of a divorce. And I said, that's it.

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You know, and he was in the middle of cooperating against his other co-defendants. So they were like, okay. So they call in his wife. His wife walks in with $350,000 in cash and gold and everything completely. Like he didn't tell me what she had. He told me kind of, but he lied. And then his brother comes in with 150,000. So it's half a million dollars. They re-indicted him.

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And he comes to me and says, oh my, you're not going to believe this. I've been re-indicted. I'm like, no, that's crazy. So he says, I said, what happened? He's like, yeah, they got half a million. I'm like, half a million? Like, I thought you said it was like 30 grand or 20 grand. He's like, nah, I didn't think I could trust you. So I didn't tell you the right amount. I'm like, oh, okay.

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Yeah, that makes sense. Anyway, a couple of days later, he's on a bus. He gets shipped back to South Carolina. He gets six more months. his ex-wife gets like six months probation. She didn't even have a felony. Neither does his brother because they gave the money up. So he got six more months and we went to the government and said, hey, you got to reduce my sentence.

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And they said, ah, it's just not enough. So we had to file another 2255 and got five more years off. And by the time the five more years hit, I basically walked out within a year. I walked right out of prison. So my original out date was 2030. I'm supposed to be in prison right now. But while I was locked up, I started writing guys true crime stories and stuff. And so I'm in prison as a snitch.

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So you can imagine how well that went. I didn't have a lot of friends. In a low, but yeah, I went to the halfway house and got out. That's why when you were like, I wouldn't do it. I'd rather die. I was like, I have a vastly different, I have a vastly different feel it.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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It's like 85% or 87% or 80 that people cooperate. That's drugs. Like it's even white collar crimes. It's even higher. Like, you know, one of the lowest cooperation rates is sex offenders. Yeah. but they don't have anybody to cooperate. Like this is just some guy on a computer at home. He doesn't even have an option.

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And even if he did, they're not going to give him anything, you know, they're going to screw him over. So, um, but yeah, it's, uh, uh, Yeah, bro, it's a rough situation going into prison.

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Well, that's what, yeah, that's what I say. The amount of money I spent in on the run and in prison, if I'd actually focused on something legitimate, you know, I'm a hard worker. I work 60, 70 hours a week. Like I'm always hustling. So I'm going to make something work. Thank you for coming on the program. I appreciate it. Thank you for having me. All right. And I'm going to leave.

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We're going to leave. A link to, is it on Amazon, your book?

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Okay, we'll leave the Amazon link to Eric's book. I appreciate him coming by. I appreciate you guys watching. Do me a favor, leave me a comment in the comment section. Subscribe, share the video, do all the stuff. And check out the books that I wrote and the trailers. See ya.

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Well, that's a ton of money to be making as a college student.

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I was going to say, if it's $20,000 for a fucking college, I wish I was making $20,000. I'm a grown man. $20,000 a month is a lot of money. Yeah.

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If you saw anything you like, links to all the books are in the description box.

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Okay, so we're going to be doing an interview, so check it out. So let's start at the beginning. Where were you born?

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So I wrote a story called American Narco. And it was this guy, Kerry, and his buddy, they were selling weed for the cartel in Fort Myers. And he was offered like multiple times. They tried to get him to start moving Coke. And he just, he absolutely wouldn't do it. Like he was, and he, it was the same kind of thing. He was like, I just felt like he said, I felt like weed was acceptable.

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And he said, I just felt like Coke was like a hard drug and a dangerous drug. And it would, it would be dangerous to move it. And he said, so he just completely stayed away from me, even though he knew he'd make a lot more money. He's like, I just felt like it's just weed. Yeah.

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You could stuff like a million in each side of those on a truck. Yeah, Kerry said one time they showed up in an RV and they went to the radio and did something on the radio and pulled something and he said this little tiny hatch

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raised up at the bottom of the rv said tiny they reached down and they started pulling pounds of weed it was all attached yeah like on a string one pound and here's another pound and now he said he said they kept going and going and going he said it got to the point where he said i was i was terrified he said when it got to like two or three hundred pounds of it he said i was like this is too much

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But, yeah, it's amazing what they can come up with. They even busted a guy like five or ten years ago for making the compartments. He was making these super amazing stealth compartments in vehicles, any vehicle. You could just touch this and touch this and pop up, and you could put a couple pounds. He was trying to say that – I think he went to trial saying –

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How am I supposed to know what these guys do? They're bringing in cars? Yeah, he probably got out of it. Yeah, I think he got a couple years, actually. Oh, really?

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Yeah, well, yeah, I guess maybe, you know.

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Yeah, in the feds, you just need one or two guys to get on the stand and say, ah, he knew.

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And, you know, the jury's like... he'll probably won't get any time at all. Then they find him guilty and he goes away for five years. They're like, oh my God, I thought he'd get probation.

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a buy or something like the drugs yeah that that's what's scary yeah that's why it's it's it's terrifying like i have guys that reach out to me and ask me you know they'll hit me up and be like talk about you know hey bro like contact me you're like i'll i'll pay you if you'll just talk to me like basically talk to them about a scam help them run a scam help them and i'm like

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why you you don't understand that like i can't be involved in something like that and then they'll go nah bro i would never say anything first of all i don't believe that but let's say you didn't say anything it doesn't matter i'm on your phone you can see transactions there will be times when our phones are near each other there will be times when you flew down here there will be times like don't you understand that i'm a convicted felon of fraud

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I was going to say shoot on a Wikipedia, probably Wikipedia. They've got my, my date of birth and everything.

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They'll just add my name to the indictment. I can't even get on the stand and say, this is what happened. Because as soon as I get on the stand, they'll say, Mr. Cox, how many frauds have you been convicted of? And the jury's going to be like, oh, come on. This guy's been convicted of 30 different frauds. He's been doing this on and off his whole life. Oh, he's involved. Like, you're just done.

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Yeah, you're done. And the feds are, it's horrible in the feds. Like, you just can't beat them. I would say that, look, if you're guilty, that's it, you're done. And if you're not guilty, you got about an 80% chance of being found guilty.

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So, but anyway, I was going to say, you're, so you get out of college, right? So you get out of college, you dropped selling weed, you went and got a job as an accountant, and you just became an accountant, and now you're here, right?

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Trump is using crypto to pump and dump with all different types of things. It's the perfect scam, they said. Can't give you anything because it's a matter of national security. Like, this is just bulls**t. Do you believe in the deep state?

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And Colby's like, look, I don't know enough. Like these guys are launching a cryptocurrency. They want you to advertise it. And I'm thinking, I advertise this. People lose money. I end up in front of a judge saying, Your Honor, all I did was advertise. I would have a hard time justifying that in front of a judge saying, Your Honor, I just, you know, it'd be like.

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What's the quarterback thing? Tom Brady. Yeah, with FTX. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Tom Brady. can you do this? And I were to say, I would need to look into it. And the truth is like with that cryptocurrency, Colby and I don't know enough to look into it. I don't know enough. It sounds legit.

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I don't know enough to say, and if I didn't know enough to feel comfortable with it, I'd be like, no, I can't do it. So I don't know what that conversation was. What if they asked for proof of anything, if there were negotiations, if lawyers were involved and, Plus, the other thing is, like, he's making a bunch of money, but he doesn't really own any of it. You see what I'm saying?

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So it's kind of like, is it a pump and dump if I never bought the stock? Bought the stock early, it jacked up, and then I sold it. Like, I didn't really have a – there was no specific event that I took part in where I yanked it. You know what I'm saying? Like, I didn't –

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It's somebody coming to him and saying, hey. There's 600 guys on a fucking Zoom, and he's like, sell, sell. No, yeah.

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essentially utilizing the crypto markets to make a lot of money and and pump his own bags even more than he has previously well so when when did let's go back to the beginning and start with um when did you're saying there's multiple coins and currencies that he's a part of so when was the first one put together

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Honestly, though, that's not even happening. Even with these guys, they're just never like these rug pulls. They just never seem to catch up with them.

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Right. But they're not making them do that.

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Yeah Some of them are making money, some are losing money.

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Yeah. He wants to steal from you.

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Did you see the Tucker Carlson interview?

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Yeah, he got thrown in the shoe for that. He was supposed to get permission from the public information officer. He didn't.

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Well, I think in that facility, you're... your visits are through Zoom. So I think probably Tucker Carlson just You know, they just arranged like, hey, can we, well, how about we do one through the regular visitation? And he was probably like, yeah, sure, that's fine. You know, I mean, it doesn't take much to get approved.

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And they're supposed to be randomly watching. They obviously didn't randomly watch and realize who Tucker Carlson is. You know, hey, this guy's, maybe they're watching, maybe they're not.

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But I read an article. But Trump isn't the owner of the coin. He's just allowing them to use his name. Basically. But he does get 75% of all the earnings. Something like that. That's a lot.

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If the CO is not watching, which obviously he wasn't, or he didn't realize what was happening or didn't realize that it wasn't approved, you could have a whole 30, 45-minute or an hour-long conversation, and then Tucker Carlson took it and cut it up and stuck it on his website. And then two days later, somebody at the BOP saw it and said— Was that approved?

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And they looked and saw that it wasn't approved. And he said, throw him in the shoe. She's going to be punished. And they threw him in the shoe. You know?

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Like when you're in the shoe, you just can't be there for he'll be there for 20 days or something. They'll give him a shot. Takes about 10 days for them to come see you to write you a shot. So you basically get thrown in the shoe. They don't tell you really anything. Typically, they just call you in the lieutenant's office. They put handcuffs on you. They arrest you inside of the jail.

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I always thought that was funny. Like, what is this? What do you think I'm going to do? You think I'm going to get away on the compound? Like, I'm not going in. I'm like leaving the prison. Why am I in handcuffs? It's just stupid. They'll handcuff you and they'll march you down to the shoe. And then they check you in and they strip search you and they put you in a cell.

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And the whole time you're going, what's going on?

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So you get like no explanation or anything like that. So within 10 days, they have somebody who has to come see you. I forget the name of the guy. But he comes and sees you when he's got the report, like the incident report. And he'll say, did you get permission to be interviewed by Tucker Carlson? And, you know. SPF is going to be like, OK, no, what happened?

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He's going to be all twitchy and not know what to say. And I didn't think it was a big deal. I, you know, OK, well, you were supposed to get. I didn't know that. OK, well, we're going to have. But then they have a they have like a little.

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trial where really it's just a couple of guys and so you say whatever you're going to say they come back like a few days later a week later you come you go in front of one or two guys you argue your case and then they just make a decision and they might say okay you're going to spend 30 days in the shoe. Of course, you've already done so much time already.

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Or they might say, you just lost your commissary for two months. So you can't go on a commissary. Or you can't use the phone. Probably that's what they'll do to you. You won't be able to use the phone for anyone other than your

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lawyer for the next 90 days and then that'll be it he'll get a shot he might use lose three days or 12 days good time which is you know that you get good time um that's it like nothing will happen but he will have to sit in the shoe for a while and honestly i don't know what the shoe is like there but like the shoe in coleman like every time i went to the shoe in coleman it was like a vacation because you're just sleeping they had a shower in the uh

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In the shoe, and each unit had its own shower, extremely hot water. And you had your own toilet and sink combo, the little silver one, the little stainless steel one. And there's a bed. And sometimes you have a roommate, but usually there aren't that many people. And the COs will come to you and knock on the door. Hey, man, you want a roommate? And you'd be like, no, I don't want a roommate.

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Right. Or they'll come, you know, or you might be like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Send somebody in here. Cause I was in the shoe one time for like 45 days. Yeah. And after about 20 days, like I was thrilled. I had no roommate, nothing. I kept saying no, no. After about 20 days, they were like, Hey Cox, uh, you want to remember like, yeah, send somebody in here.

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yeah they've been 20 days like it was i just read straight for i was reading like a book every two days you know and but you got to got to a point after 20 books i was just like yeah send somebody in here i'm getting a little bored and uh that guy came in for like 10 days no maybe five or ten days and then his somebody he knew came into the shoe and they were like catty corner.

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And then he was yelling at him. They're talking across the hall of yelling and, And he, you know, obviously you don't want to do that for too long. So the next time a CO came in, he said, can I switch cells? And I was like, yeah, that's right. So like the next day, I think they switched cells and they were just chatting right away. Then they put somebody else in my cell.

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He was there for three days. And I think I left at that point. I left. I went back to it. By that point, it'd be like 45 days. But yeah, it is not that bad. It's not this horrific. You're like, I was in, it was horrible. It was, it was like, I was only there for, I've been in locked up several times. The longest, One was 45 days.

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I had been writing letters to a reporter. Ah. And he published an article written on the letter about he and I talking. We talked on the phone several times.

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About the interview. So similar to what... And I went to the shoe. Okay. It's funny, too, because they never really said it. I remember... The reason they said they threw me in the shoe was for my own protection. Because in the article, they interviewed my attorney and my attorney said, Mr. Cox is cooperating with the FBI.

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Oh, so they threw me in for my own protection, not because I had spoken with them like that never even came up. They were like, look, Cox, this is what they said. This is what the article says. Like, do you feel comfortable going back on the compound? I was like, yeah, I'm fine. It was the medium. But I was like, yeah, bro, I'm not worried about it. Yeah.

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Nobody here is going to say what are they going to say? You know, I was like 90 percent of the compound fucking cooperated. And he goes more than that. No, actually, I think I said 50%. I go, 50% of the compound cooperated, bro. And he goes, it's way higher than that. He said, but he was 100%. This is where I got this term. You've heard me say this. He goes, but 100%, I remember lying about it.

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And he's like, so whether they cooperated or not, they're all lying.

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so they're all going to say they didn't so basically you've got an entire compound full of stand-up guys where 90 of them cooperated so i was like yeah i'm not worried about because they were going to me and i didn't want to be shipped my mother lived an hour away and came to see me every couple weeks so i didn't want to do that so i said i'll go back on and i went back on the compound i was fine you know nobody even tried you no nobody even bothered me um but

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You know, with SPF doesn't even have that problem. His whole thing is like, trust me, these guys would be like, if he came back into the unit like today, guys would be like, bro, what's up, man? He'd be like, I don't know.

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Yeah. Like, it won't be a big deal. For him, it's...

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Yeah. He's got some problems. I wonder if we should go back because remember that video I did? We did where we guessed how much time he would get.

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I want to say I said.

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To what he got, like 20 years, 25 years, and he ended up getting close to what I said. And I think, I forget who it was that was saying. Was this you? Maybe. That said he was going to get 10 years or something or somebody.

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Yeah.

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and zach saying he probably said oh he's he's gonna get five years or ten years or something but then again you know what it was elizabeth home elizabeth holmes had gotten such little time she got like 12 years and they ended up cutting her sentence down to like seven years or nine years like it was ridiculous like the amount of time elizabeth but she's a woman yeah we had a whole video we did a whole video yesterday about women getting sentenced

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But she cooperated. Like, without her, it would have been a much different trial. She gutted him. Yeah.

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Yeah. But, yeah, the idea of her and the other people having an orgy is not – it's very distasteful. It would be different if they were all, like, attractive people. They're all. If they all looked good, but they were not. That's not a good look at all. I don't like to think about that at all.

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Um, he could be, but he's probably not like, he's very unlikely that he is. Um, He's got, it's funny. I wonder why. So he's appealing his case, right? Yeah. Yeah. He's, I was going to say he's, that's why he's still there. He should be in a, in a facility right now, a federal facility.

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He is. Yeah. That's what killed me is the Tucker Carlson, Tucker Carlson's like, I can't believe you're locked up with Diddy. Like he was excited about it.

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And he's like, bro, I wouldn't be acting all excited about Diddy. Like it's, uh,

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Yeah. Really? Yeah, he said that some guy was giving him a hard time, right? Yeah. And he kind of protected him.

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Yeah.

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I mean, go at you in what way? It's more like they would probably be trying to extort him. Like, buy me something on commissary. Just kind of bully him, basically? Yeah, and I forget exactly what Gene had said.

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Yeah, I mean, he's a nerdy guy. And two, he's arrogant. Like, arrogance is not going to go... You can be arrogant when you're the boss and you're pushing everybody else around because you're the one with all the money and they own the company. But in prison, if you're making snide comments to... much bigger guys that are drug dealers that are used to being more physical. Yeah.

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Then, you know, you're going to get your ass beat. Like you can't like, you need to watch what you're saying. And if you're, you know, if you're smarting off to people or even making little snide comments, like you almost have to be overly polite, you know, to everybody. Cause otherwise they'll, they're looking for an opportunity to be offended and get into an argument or a fight.

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And with, with him, you know, you've seen how arrogant he is. I'm sure he seemed less arrogant.

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Yeah. And the Tucker Carlson thing, he definitely seemed less arrogant. Yeah. But, but he's still super odd. Well,

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Yeah, come on.

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Oliver knows. What's really sad is that we'll probably lose our Oliver completely. He's going to be like, I don't, you know, these guys seem really smart in the finished product. Yeah. These guys, they don't really know.

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This is a horrible subject too, by the way, because like I have no understanding. Even after, by the way, even after reading two articles, after those articles, I was still like,

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I feel like if I was Trump, I would not want to put my name on something like that.

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You know what I'm saying? I don't feel like it's illegal. I feel like I would be smarter about what my name is attached to.

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But that's – but like just like you said, he's not specifically in charge of that. And he doesn't – he would – in order for him to be liable for that, he would have to know that's what's going on. And I'm pretty sure that at no point did anybody come to him and say, here's what we're going to do.

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But it's going to do well. Right, but that's the whole reason. Why do we put my name on the hotel? Why? Because we're going to get better clients and better people, and people will stay here over someplace else. If that's what his thought process is, yeah, cool. The problem is what he doesn't know is that these guys are –

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these guys that it's selling and that they're going to, once it hits a certain level, they're going to start pulling out their money and they know it's going to crash. And there's the thing too, is it hasn't really crashed crash. Like it's gone up. Yeah. First it was shit. Then it went up because he won the election.

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Which of course this fakes it. Like, what a great, like we're going to dump a ton of money into it and hopefully this guy wins and it'll go up. It goes up and then it goes back down.

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Did it go back down because they started selling off at a lower prices or did you just go down because it went shot up and then it stopped selling so well and people started selling out because they thought it's the high end and then it started going down. And then like, is this something where they said, Hey, We're selling 25% of, we own 50%, we're sell 25. You know what I'm saying?

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Like, what was the, were they in charge of the manipulation of that, of the value of that currency? I don't really know. And then did it completely crash to where it's worth 20 cents a coin?

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What are you talking about? Overall, it went from $8 to $10. Okay. Was there a spike? Yeah, there was a spike. That's crazy. Could it go down to $2 and then it goes back up?

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Yeah. There is no benefit. So the benefit is I'm able to donate to the cause. Exactly. It's like my Patreon. You're not getting anything back. This is not... At no point will the $10 a month that you're paying into Patreon be worth anything more. And at no point are you getting that money back. It's not going into a fund.

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This is just $10 wasted every single month unless... Maybe that's a better marketing ploy than the live streams. Yeah. Just donate to me because we need the money.

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But he's not pulling it out. He doesn't own any of the coins.

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He wants to tie the American dollar to Bitcoin, right? Kind of like we were tied to the gold standard.

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No, I'm not upset. I'm not upset. I don't care. Yeah, with crypto, I was going to say that they could do the whole, you can only spend $300 on gas a month. You can only spend so much money on groceries. You can only buy so much meat.

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It was, I know guys that have fraud charges that literally cannot open a bank account. Like they'll go open the bank account and three days later it's closed. In fact, I know a guy who,

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opened a bank account at his mother's bank and when they realized that the mother that this was his son they closed his bank account and they closed hers yeah she'd been with the bank for like 30 years um and uh so i and i know that i opened a bank account at bank of america when i got out I had opened one at Wells Fargo. That was fine. I opened one at Bank of America.

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They took my whatever it was, $1,200 or $800, whatever it was I opened it with. And about a week later, I got a check in the mail saying they closed it. When I asked why, they were like, you can call this number. And they called the number. They're like, yeah, we don't really have to tell you why. But that was the only bank I'd had a problem with.

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The only reason it would have been is because I do owe them. a considerable amount of money, a few million dollars. I feel that they're holding resentment. And it's like, it's like that, like that was 20 years ago. Like get over it, bro. What are you doing? So, uh, but yeah, apparently that's, that was the only one though. It was the only one. And I, that's what I think it was.

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I think that on the books, I owe them money. And they, so they were like this guy again, not this time. Um, uh, So yeah, yeah, I think that's it. But I know guys that have fraud charges that literally they have a hard time opening a bank account for some reason. There's some kind of a system out there. But I think my charge is so old. that maybe I'm not a part of that system.

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Or maybe it only stays on so long that you fall off after some point. And I'm harmless. In my name, I never screwed any banks over.

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Not in my name.

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I don't think they're thinking that far into it. They were. They'd be like, no, no, he signed up as him. He's fine. But they didn't. They're just like, oh, that guy... So whatever, we'll see.

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You would have thought. Yeah. You would have thought. I didn't know. It's like when I got out, I had been locked up so long, I had no credit. So by the time I left the halfway house, I had like seven, I had a 754 credit score. by the time I walked out of the halfway house. Because as soon as I got there, I got three secure credit cards.

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I just made the minimum payments, or not the minimum, I didn't really put anything on them. So I barely made any payments. I had almost no debt on the card. So by the time six months had passed, And scores appear after six months. And they gave me scores. My first set of scores were like 754. So it was kicking ass. I was like, nice.

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And they'd be like, you walked out of prison, out of the halfway house with a 750 credit score? I'm like, yeah. But I know other guys who will go to prison for three years, and when they get out, their credit's ruined. It hadn't been so long that it fell off. For like seven or eight years, all your bad debt starts falling off your credit. By the time I'd been locked up so long,

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It was 13 years plus three years on the run. It's 16 years. After 16 years, there's nothing on my credit. I walked off. They were like, I went to go get my credit pulled, and they were like, there's nothing.

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I honestly— He said yesterday, he said 80,000 will be released today.

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Unredacted.

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Yeah, for the most part, yeah. For the most part. I think what's funny is that Tucker... There was a Tucker Carlson interview recently with... What's his name? Chris Como or something. I don't know. I can't remember his name. Anyway, this is like a journalist from former journalist from CNN. Real jackass.

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Anyway, he's on there and he's he I think he was interviewing Tucker Carlson on his podcast and they were going back and forth. Not in a bad way. It's funny, too, because he was actually pretty funny. He was comical, like he wasn't as much of a jackass as I was hoping he would be. Yeah, I really felt like he would be. He's actually kind of funny.

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Um, and his whole thing was he, he was first, he started off talking about how he doesn't believe in the deep state. That's just silliness. But then as they talked about it, um, he was like, well, you know, I feel like this is the Chris, what's his name? Chris Como. You know what I'm talking about? White guy, CNN.

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Yeah. Chris Comeau, CNN. Let's see if I got it. Chris Comeau and Tucker Carlson. Oh, nice. It is him. Yeah. Chris Comeau. Oh, I got it right.

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That's why he got fired. Well, he also did the whole Joe Rogan is taking dewormer medication. And, you know, they all did that. Yeah. Jackass. But so when he's talking to what's his name? So at first he starts out like, I don't believe in the deep state. I don't believe in all that. That's just silliness. But then as the conversation goes on, he ends up saying, well, I feel like.

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When someone like Trump gets in or Obama or whoever, they have these things that they want to do, and then they fall to the wayside and they don't do them. He's like, because I feel like somebody goes to them and kind of says, look, you can't do that. you know, like that's, and here's why. And you just can't do it. We're telling you to don't do it.

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He's like, I feel like there's, and, and Tucker Carlson goes, yeah, the deep state.

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He's like, that's the deep state that you don't believe in that guy. Cause you get talking about how there's a machinery that's at work that you enter into. And so you don't necessarily have as much control as you think. And Chris and Tucker Carlson's like, That's the deep state. You do believe in that. He's like, no, no, not like you guys believe in it. It was just like anyway.

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But yeah, they were saying like he feels like when Trump first entered office, he was going to do all these things. And then he kind of just brushed it off like he did. He's like, look, once I realized what was in the JFK files, I realized I can't I can't release those.

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So that was the and then now four years later, then you get your your you lose the election. You retake the White House. Now you're like, I'm releasing them no matter what. I'm releasing them. But yet they don't get released. Same thing with like Epstein. You're really some realism. OK, well, what you released was a joke.

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You know, we had an interview with a guy who talks about how he did a bunch of investigation into Epstein. He wrote a book on it. Oh, no, he didn't write a book about it. Wrote about a similar situation.

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He said that he had done a Freedom of Information Act on Epstein. And he said that they said, no, it's. it's a open investigation. We can't release anything. He was okay. So then Max, uh, uh, whatever it may, Maxwell, uh,

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Ghislaine Maxwell goes to trial or gets sentenced, whatever. FBI director or whoever it was, somebody in the FBI comes out and says the, because people are like, what about this? What about this? They're like, we're not, that's it. We're done with this whole case. The prosecution, no more. It's done. We're closing the books. The case is closed. It's closed.

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We're no longer investigating anything in Epstein. It's closed. Okay. So he said, I did have filed another Freedom of Information Act. These information acts take six months, three months for them to even say, we just got it. We'll be working on it in a few months. Three months later, they start working on it.

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They sent him a letter and said, yeah, we can't process your request because it's an ongoing investigation. The case is still open. Talk about six months ago, the director came out and said it was closed. What are you talking about? Then he said he filed again. They came back and they said, can't give you anything because it's a matter of national security. National security is, It's a pedo case.

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Yeah. How is that national security? Like, this is just bullshit.

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I kind of... I don't know. Who are those people? Do you see them all the time? Is there this sub-organization and we never see any of these guys? Or is it something like... Is it something like there are people that come to you and do say, listen, I know you want to release the JFK files, but listen, if you release them, here's what's in it.

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And here's what we believe the fallout from that will be. You'll be talking about Israel. You'll be talking like you suddenly say these are and some of the people that were involved are still around in Israel or are still or let's say, you know, whatever the I don't know what the outcome is or the CIA was involved. Yeah.

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And so we're afraid that the American people will be insist insist that we close the CIA. Well, we dismantle it or that we put such controls on them. They will be inept. There will be such oversight and such bureaucracy that the CIA will be able to – basically won't be able to function, and you might as well close it.

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It's just a bottomless pit of money, and it takes so long to get anything done, and there's so much oversight that there's no way for them to run a clandestine organization anymore. So it destroys our CIA, and we need the CIA. So then you're like – so – You know, maybe that's what it is. Maybe it's not a separate organization, a sub organization within the government.

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Maybe it's just maybe these things don't come out simply because they're so their fear is what what is the fallout going to be if it does? And they and you think all these people are dead. No, no, that's not the fear. The fear is it closes down organizations that we actually need.

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What do you think?

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are not that tower but that rooftop and like avoid all that secret service well i believe that i do believe that uh he wasn't that far away what i think is that he didn't do it by himself yeah exactly what i think is and this is what's funny is i've mentioned this once or twice is that people you know oh well you know he's this kid he's he you know he got help like but how do you find that kid i don't think it's that difficult to find it i think you go to the nsa and you say listen

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I'm losing you, aren't I? Yeah, I don't... Well, because I don't... I don't... I mean... I feel like he, you know, I wonder how that how that happens. Like somebody approaches him and says, hey, we want to talk to you about doing a cryptocurrency. And, you know, if he's and he's saying, OK, well, what are you going to do? Like, I don't see Trump having the.

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we need somebody young we need doesn't even matter how old they are we need somebody in so trump's going to be here here in the next six months in these four locations or these 15 locations we need people within a 20 mile radius that have gone on social media, that have said negative things about him, that also are active shooters, that shoot regularly.

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How many people are actively saying negative things that are within a 20-mile radius or 25-mile radius of these events? Okay, boom, we got 5,000. Okay, how many of them have that we can connect weapons to? Okay, boom, we're down to 150. How many of them have said violent things about Trump? Okay, bam, we're down to 25.

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Okay, then how many of those people don't have a family, don't like meet the criteria of a lone wolf type thing? Boom, we're down to six. Okay, great. All you have to do is take CIA agent to go to this guy and say... We looked at your posts. We saw what you said. We see that you were on the sniper rifle team in fucking high school or attempted to be on it, that you're an active shooter.

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We see that you go here to shoot. We can see your credit card information for your dad. You guys shoot regularly. Your dad recently bought you a gun. Like all through social media and through watching your stuff, NSA is going to know all that. They'll read everything on your phone. And now you think, okay, well, and here's what really is telling.

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is that you go to five of those guys and you convince them to all like, we're going to pave the way for you to be on a roof and take this guy out. Once you've taken him out, we'll make sure you can get away. You're going to get X amount of dollars, and you're going to be a lone shooter that gets away. Nobody will know who you are, everything. You will leave. That'll be it.

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There'll be some random photographs of you at a distance, but they'll never be able to track you down. Or maybe we're going to have you disappear and give you $10 million and relocate you to another place. Young kid, he thinks, yeah, I'm saving America. And so you get five of those guys. You put this one kid. He happens to be the first one. They put him on the fucking roof. He takes his shot.

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They know immediately, like, oh, we see somebody. We see somebody. We see somebody. Don't fire. Don't fire. Don't fire. Don't fire. Once he rips off a bunch of rounds, boom, boom, boom, boom. The guy on his own, the sniper shoots him. He didn't get an order. He says, fuck that. Boom, and shoots him. I don't care what these guys are telling me not to shoot him. Fuck it. Boom.

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Because if they had waited for him to say fire, he would have gotten off a whole other clip. Yeah. He would have definitely killed him. Instead, this guy shoots him immediately without authorization. Okay. The kid's dead, which is fine because it was what they want anyway. They want him dead. Yeah. They just wanted Trump dead first. Then here's the odd thing.

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What kid who's an activist, who's given to the Democratic Party, who clearly doesn't – obviously has an issue with Trump, doesn't have any social media?

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I know.

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They scrubbed his whole house. They scrubbed everything. They scrubbed his social media, everything. You can't get any of it. Yeah. Nobody. Nobody. Nobody. No kid says, I'm going to kill this person. Nobody commits that horrific of an act without first bitching and moaning and complaining to everybody he knows about this and goes nuts on social media because that's the last result.

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I don't see Trump understanding 100 percent how all of this works. So I see them saying, look, here's what we're going to do. We're going to start cryptocurrency. We're going to call it the Trump coin. And we're going to we just want you to give us your name just like you would on a hotel. Like you're not running your hotel, this hotel in Florida or wherever your name is attached to it.

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That's not your first course of action is – Murder. Nobody's first course of action. It's always they're upset. They go to rallies. They tell all their friends. Their friends are like, shut up about this. I don't want to hear this. All you do is talk about this. They go on social media. They go on Facebook. They go on everything. He has none of that. He has none of it. How does that happen?

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No, no, they found him.

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Oh, wait, I'm sorry. You're talking about the one where they did arrest the guy?

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You know what's funny? You can't—the Luigi guy, we know everything about. Yeah. Every post, every—his manifesto, every post he's ever written, every single thing, all of his buddies, everything. But these two guys that tried to kill Trump, like, you don't hear anything about these guys.

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One guy's dead, the other one—

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Yeah, Crooks was the one guy. The second guy is like an older guy who's kind of a crackpot. He's just a crackpot in general. Yeah, and I guess you're saying there's another potential shooter. Supposedly... Oh, no. I'm sorry. This is something else. It's funny. This was the shooter for JFK.

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Supposedly, because I interviewed a guy about JFK, and he was talking about supposedly two weeks prior to that, the Secret Service found out that there were two guys on the roof of a building.

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Yeah, that were planning on killing or shooting Kennedy, and they scrapped the whole little drive, right? They scrapped the whole thing. You never heard about that, you know? So it was like they scrapped the whole thing because they had found out that there were these guys and scrapped that. Then Dallas happens.

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But yeah, I think, I don't know. I don't know. I don't want to believe it. I don't want to believe that JFK was assassinated. I don't want to believe in UFOs. I don't want to believe... There's all the lies that I've heard throughout my whole life. I don't want to believe that the government was lying to me. Well, the government does.

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I don't want to believe that they're listening to my phone messages. I don't want to believe that. Obama said that wasn't true. He said that didn't happen. And then six months later...

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And, you know, whatever the wind is going to, you know, Steve, when is it Steve Wynn? Steve Wynn is going to, let's assume his name is Steve Wynn. Steve Wynn is going to run the hotel. We're going to call it the Trump Golden Hotel and we'll run it for you and you'll get X amount of dollars. And he's like, okay, that makes sense to me. Okay.

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Two weeks later, I'm not even thinking about what happened two weeks ago. It's over. Now I'm thinking about the Hak Tua girl and how funny that is. I'm sending out 40 people in a day. I'm sending out Hak Tua fucking songs too. I don't even think about Nancy Pelosi and her $200 million in fucking insider trading.

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Okay. I was going to mention that I watched... It was me. Actually, my wife started to watch it, and then she just... We'll be watching something I'm super into, and all of a sudden, she'll stand up and walk away, and I don't see her again for an hour. I thought we were watching this, but we were not. I was watching it. You were tolerating it. Anyway, it was Unsolved Mysteries.

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I'm going somewhere with this. Unsolved Mysteries in 1982. Okay.

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Fuck. Motherfucker. In 1989, Unsolved Mysteries came out. Keep in mind, people don't even understand this. Yeah. People watching this right now, 80% of the people watching this are like, I don't understand what you're saying, Matt. Was it on YouTube? No, this was when we had three channels. We had three major channels and we had one local channel, Channel 44.

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And so on the three major channels, so, and they, there was a program called unsolved mysteries and they did something on Roswell in 1947. There was a, a supposedly what the, there was an accident and there was a UFO that crashed in a, on a, a ranchers in a ranchers, whatever cattle area. And he went out and he found debris and, And he contacted the authorities.

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Now, what later comes out is that there was a debris field and 27 miles away, they find a ship.

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All he found was the debris field.

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So either that skipped or there was an explosion and then it crashed and the debris was there. He calls the army, the military. Okay.

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Well, this is back in 1947. You probably pick up a call and you pick up one phone number and he called them. Yeah. And Jennifer at the local military base answered and said, he said, hey, Jennifer, this is Jim down.

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Every once in a while, you know, if you want to mention it, you know, mention it or you have to put out three tweets a year or a month. Yeah. And to me, he's, you know, he's, I'm sure he's like, okay, you're going to make a bunch of money off the hotel. What's the same thing? Well, this is a cryptocurrency. We're going to put your name on the Trump coin and people will invest in it.

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You're not going to believe that I found some alien shit. Yeah. And she's like, what? And so they send the army down there and they get there and they collect all the all the a bunch of the debris and they bring it back. to the military base, and like the lieutenant or colonel or whoever was in charge at the time puts out a press release, we just found an alien craft. We've got alien debris.

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He's not thinking... Because he's one of these guys who grew up and he's thinking, you don't lie about these things. You tell the media and the government doesn't lie and they would want everyone to know. Like he's a do-do-do. He doesn't have any fucking clue. There's no such thing as conspiracy theories back then. Nobody's trying to hide aliens. So he makes a press release. The following day,

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So it's everywhere. The next day, it's everywhere, all over the wire. The wire goes out, and it's in all newspapers saying, hey, alien crash. The military has possession of an alien, a crashed alien ship. They then... And immediately he gets a phone call and they put him on like a helicopter or a plane and they fly him someplace else, Oklahoma, wherever it is, find someplace.

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He walks in with a bunch of debris. They bring a bunch of the debris with him. He walks in. The colonel walks in. He's like, yeah. And the colonel's like, oh, that's debris. Wow, that's amazing. Come on in here. And they walk into a conference room, and they talk for about 10 minutes. Tell me what happened. He's like, oh, okay, okay, okay. He's like, okay, great. He said they walk back out.

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All the debris is gone. He said, and they go into another area, and they have a bunch of rubber – sorry, like – plasticky, shiny plasticky stuff. It's actually a weather balloon. Okay. A torn up weather balloon. And they say, here's what's going to happen. You're going to pick up the debris. We got a camera guy here. We're going to take a bunch of photos. It was a mistake.

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What you saw was a weather balloon. The description's close. It was shiny material. It was whatever. That's what you saw. He's like, it's not what I saw. He's like, that's what you saw.

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You're going to take pictures with it. We're going to put out a report. It was a mistake. And essentially, you're the fall guy who made a mistake. And we're covering all this up. They don't say cover up, but he sits in. There's photos of him holding up the, like, looking like... You could see he's, like, looking off film. And he's, like, he's surrounded by guys. He's taking, like... Yeah.

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We'll take you out in the middle of nowhere and shoot you. You can't be fucking putting out press releases about crafts. About, yeah, aliens. So... the town folk later look days later it starts coming out that they see the military comes in and they go through the entire field inch by inch picking up every single piece of debris

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Then they find the craft 27 miles away, and they bring in, like, an 18-wheeler, and they take it in a crane. They put it on the 18-wheeler. They cover it up in a big tarp. But people in the town, which they have to drive through, see this huge thing. They're telling them, like, it's a downed – it's a downed – you know, airplane or it's a it's a it's an experimental tank. Don't worry about it.

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And, you know, it's kind of like the Haktua girl. Like she's not, not that I'm saying Trump is stupid, but she's not sharp enough to really understand what's happening. To me, if my name was on it, I would want to say it has to be 100% legit. It has to be.

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Like and they're like, it's there's clearly what they thought was a UFO. or some kind of an odd ship of some kind. It was covered up in a tarp, but it's not like they had a special-made tarp. Like, it barely fits on this fucking thing. So they take that to wherever, Oklahoma or some fucking place in Area 51, and they start doing it. They also found supposedly three bodies.

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Now, that's the whole thing that I watched when I was 18 years old, 19 years old. They just re-showed the whole thing They have Unsolved Mysteries. I watched it yesterday where they went back to that episode and they talk about how that episode blew that story up. Prior to 1989, no one had ever taken it seriously. These guys had written books.

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There have been people that were a part of the whole thing that had written books that didn't sell, that nobody would put in. They literally would get phone calls. They would call the radio stations and the news stations and say – and the military would call and be like, don't cover this. Yeah. When pilots would be flying, commercial pilots would fly and see something crazy –

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It's a great—if you ever watch Close Encounters of the Third Kind, it's great. Okay. Because these two planes are flying, and they see something, and they, like, call in to the tower. And more and more air traffic controllers are gathering around the mics and listening to what they're saying. They're like, oh, I'm telling you, it's crazy.

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And the other guy's like, no, no, I'm two miles away from you. I saw it, too. It circled our plane.

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And they're sitting there going on. They're like, oh. And so then suddenly they say, okay, so what you're saying is you saw an unidentified flying object. And you're like, yeah, yeah, no, it's crazy. And they said, okay, would you like us to make an official report? And you just silence.

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And then the guy, police, he's like, do you want to go on record as, like the guy's boss is here, his supervisor is like, do you want to go on record? And suddenly the guy's like, um. You know, I'm not sure what I saw. And the other guy's like, you know, it could have been a flash of lightning, to be honest with you. These are two pilots talking. They're two miles away flying.

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They just saw this thing. You know what? I'm going to go ahead. Yeah, I don't know what that was. And they backtrack completely, bro. Now, granted, it's a movie, but it's a great because what's happened now is now that like the UFO things come out. There's all kinds of pilots coming out saying, I've been seeing them for fucking 20 years. I've been seeing them for 30 years.

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Why didn't you report it? You report it, you don't fly again. I'm a fucking laughingstock. And that's when I grew up. If you had told me you saw one of my friends had told me something like that or some guy's father said that, we would have mocked that motherfucker to the point where they would have wanted to move.

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I mean, it would have been, because that's how stupid and silly it was for you to believe in UFOs.

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I don't know about you, bro, but I believe in UFOs. And it's the same thing with, like, the JFK thing. When JFK, the movie, came out, like, everybody was, half the country was like, yeah, that seems crazy. And half of them were like, it's a fucking movie, man. It's not what happened. Yeah. Now, I still don't believe that the movie has it accurate.

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I still fucking believe, now I believe that it was probably much worse than JFK. I definitely think there were shooters, multiple shooters, but I don't know what, you know, I don't know the backstory between how they put it together, but I don't watch that video again or that movie again. It's a great bit. You've never watched it. That's an amazing. Have you ever seen that JFK? Oh my God.

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Oliver Stone did it. It's amazing. It's amazing. Yeah.

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It's oh, no, it's have your people look at it. And, you know, who knows? I just wouldn't want my name on something that I thought would be questionable. But then again, if I thought, hey, you could make $400 million, I might be like, well, you know, people are at their own risk. People invest in their own risk.

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But someone like me, my age, being raised when I was raised, I find it absolutely—it's just so overwhelmingly difficult to even say—

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that there was a there's a deep state or that the government call they colluded to to kill Kennedy or like all of these conspiracy theories out there that they're true that it it really bothers me like someone your age or Colby they very are very easily easy to jump into yeah absolutely absolutely where I'm you could lay it all out to me and I'd be like be right. Why?

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Just because of my age and I'm programmed. Keep in mind, I would have mocked you if you told me they were UFOs. Yeah. Up to five or six years, I was in prison with a guy that believes in UFOs. Just saying that he believes in UFOs, I automatically put him into the crazy category.

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He's insane. And yet... I'm watching programs from the Navy where they've got UFOs on the fucking screen. And I'm still thinking, it can't be. It can't be. It can't be. You just, I think you just, you get older and you're genetically programmed to, you know, it'd be like being raised Catholic your entire life.

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And then one day somebody, aliens come down and try and tell you, listen, there is no God. We planted you guys here. It would be almost inconceivable for you to convince that Catholic that there's no such thing as God. Yeah. Even though you're like,

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It's something that's not right. It's ingrained in you to feel that way for me at my age.

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I don't know that it's – because now the problem is when your face was so much overwhelming evidence, it's still – I believe – so I believe that there has to be some kind of – I don't know if it's a deep state. Something's going on. And I believe that there's UFOs. There's got to be something there. And I believe, I think that Kennedy was assassinated. And it has to be something.

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I think probably LBJ worked with the CIA to have, somehow or another, have Kennedy assassinated. I don't know about all the Israeli... and this and that. And I don't know about all of that. Like, I don't know if that came out later. Okay, great. Then that, then I'm wrong. And it was, they were behind it or maybe it was the mob or maybe it was the Cubans. I don't know exactly.

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And this is the other thing I, we talked about this in that video. I don't think that anybody involved in that would have allowed any of that information to continue to exist. If I was LBJ and I was involved, I would have hired one guy and said, for the next four fucking years, you are going through every single possible file and you are eliminating anything that can connect me to this.

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And that guy's like, you know, Stalin would purge people. You crossed him and he'd have you killed and you'd have your family sent to gulags. And then they had a team of guys that would go through all the records and eliminate your name on any document. Any photos you were in, they'd scratch you out. Like they'd eliminate you from existence.

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That's what you'd hire a guy full time just to get rid of that all for the next four years.

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I think that whatever they release, I'm thinking it probably says nothing because whatever that true conspiracy is, I think that those documents just don't exist anymore. There's probably going to be nothing that can connect you.

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Think about it. If you were LB, if you were, if you were in charge of it and you had that kind of power, would you have anything? Would you, would you be okay with, ah, we'll seal them.

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Yeah. I don't know that that's sealed. I don't know that... Oh, we're going to keep them in the file in the FBI. You know that file room in the back? We'll just put a little thing on it that says sealed until 2010. It'll be fine. I'd be like... I got a better idea. Let's take those fuckers out back and burn them in the burn barrel. Let's do that.

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How about that?

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Yeah, you would think, right? Listen, I want to say we'll see, but we probably won't see.

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well i mean release a bunch they're gonna release 80 000 documents and it's gonna be a bunch of redacted bullshit and it's gonna be the same shit you've heard over and over and over again and it's gonna be interviews with people that didn't go anywhere it's gonna be conspiracy theories and a bunch of stuff and in the end you're gonna be like we didn't really learn anything.

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We just read documents for the last.

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I got a friend that will swear to God, he will swear up and down that Michelle Obama is a man. Big Mike? Yeah. It's like, what are you doing?

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There are two kids running around, though. Yeah. But are they theirs? Who knows? Oh, my God. Yeah, there's so much. It's like Pizzagate. Like, they're running a... the Clintons are running a child pornography ring out of, uh, out of the basement of a pizza store that doesn't actually have a basement. You know what I'm saying? Like, there's just like, there's such insanity that's out there.

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Yeah. But all the, there's like all these murders that are, you know, connected to them in some way, but let's, Let's be honest. I'm writing a book right now about Garth Brooks being a serial killer. I can tell you right now I can connect this dude to about 80 to 90 unsolved murders and about 120 missing persons. You know how many people he killed?

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It's like he was playing at this arena and across the street a guy went missing. They found the body in the guy's vehicle five miles away. And if you do that, you show that enough and allude to the fact that it's possible that during Garth's morning walk, you do that enough and you do it enough over the course of 25 years of travel, you've got hundreds.

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And it starts to become like, oh my, every once in a while, there are some of these combinations between, or connections between him and people that you're like, there's one or two of them that I'm telling you, if I told you the whole situation, you'd be like, Yeah.

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is like epstein had a photo or had a painting made of bill clinton dressed up and right yeah and like i guess a woman or something it's the weirdest fucking thing like to me that is just across the board what are you doing yeah it's weird i get it you're a weirdo but you have the former president united states in a painting like why would you do that yeah like who does that

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Who do you hire to do that? How do you even have the gall to call up a painter and say, I'm going to need you to paint a picture of this guy in drag, but I need it to be Bill Clinton.

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You're going to have to pay a print. Have you seen it? Did you see it? Yeah, I'm looking at it right now.

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Yeah. It's insane.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. To some people, it consumes their entire life.

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Yeah. I have a friend named Chris Marrero. Okay. Every day, three or four times a day, this is what I get from him. This is it. Just like videos on like... It's none. Oh my God. Oh no, that's nothing. That's nothing. This will go on. I don't even respond to him. Look, you see any responses to me? Almost never. Every once in a while, I'll respond to him. I never really pay attention to.

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And almost everything, by the way, of this stuff is alien stuff. It's all aliens, aliens, deep state aliens, everything. Look, do you see me responding to him at all? That's ridiculous. It's insanity.

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He's out of control right now. You think it's a good thing or no? I think that...

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yeah unfortunately i shouldn't say this but yeah i think it's a great thing i love that it's upsetting everybody i love i listen i don't think until we're living in a utopia i don't think we should give one fucking dollar to anybody else not one fucking dollar i'm not living in a utopia i don't have free health care i don't have fucking i don't i i i'm i'm

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Well, I'm terrified that I'm going to have to retire someday on Social Security until we're living in an amazing, the most amazing, wealthiest country that has ever been created. Until that happens, I wouldn't give a fucking dime to anybody else. I agree with you. So, you know, the tariffs things, like I had no idea.

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You're telling me that Canada is charging 219 percent on fucking on on dairy goods and 50 percent on vehicles and 200 percent on this and to fuck you. It's it's zeroed out. Exactly the same. There's no tariffs. Because you'll starve to death. I love it when the argument that they're making, we don't need this. Are you out of your fucking mind?

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We'll cut off your energy. Cut it off. We may be out of energy. We may be out of electricity for four or five days. But I promise you they will reroute that electrical and those cities will have power again. And then you'll never sell another dime. And if you do that and one American dies as a result of it, I'll just carpet bomb your entire fucking country because you're not Americans.

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And I don't care if you're not an American. If I was like the president of the United States, I'm only concerned about when these are, well, we're worried about the rest of the world. Fucking rest of the world didn't elect me. The American people did. I'm only concerned about the American people. I'm not sending any money here, any money there.

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You know what kills me about Europe is that we are supplementing Your military, we are your military. Yeah. You have – the military that you have is window dressing. It's nothing. We have – we are completely your – we're – Basically, we're your entire security apparatus. And so you don't spend – you're spending 1%, half a percent on your military.

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We're spending almost 3.5% of our budget on our military. And by the way, our budget is massive compared to yours. You're essentially spending – for every $500 we're spending, you're spending a couple bucks.

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You know? So – And then what do you do with the rest of that extra money that you're not dumping into NATO and your military and all these things? You put it into social programs. And then when you get to have 34 weeks off when you have a baby and you get free health care and you get to have two months a year off for vacation and we get no vacation. We have no you have a baby. Tough shit.

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Get back to fucking work when you when we don't have free health. We have none of that stuff. You mock us. Europe mocks the Americans for being savages and being stupid. Well, you have all of what you have because we're supplementing. You're able to spend all that money on your military or that you should be spending on your military on these social programs that make you enlightened.

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And then once you become enlightened, you mock the very people that allow you to be enlightened. No, no, no. I mean, I'm sorry. I have no empathy for these people. I'd be brutal if I was. That's why you can't let someone like me. You can't let a complete psychopath fucking be president. Like, I'd be brutal. It'd be horrific. These guys are like terrorists. Fuck tariffs. Let's go in.

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I say we go into Ottawa. Let's go, let's do this. Let's go into Mexico City.

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But I'm thinking, I don't know why we have these South American countries. They should just be states. And listen, what's so funny is before Trump was saying states, when my wife and I would have discussions, I would say, when we were talking about Ukraine, me and Boziak were talking about Ukraine. You know what I said? I said, no, no, no, no. You go to Ukraine and you say, we got two options here.

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One- You guys work it out. You'll figure it out. Or we make you a state. Yeah. And now Putin's invaded a state. And I'm going to put, I'm going to put, we're going to put bases all over the place in there. And if Putin says, what are you doing? There's a state. We're switching it over to a state. So I'm not going to just give you money. I'll never get the money back.

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I'm not going to pump money into it for you to fight out a war. I'll just make you a state. Puerto Rico, you're a state.

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Or you're nothing. Mexico, you're a state. Or you're nothing. You want help? You're a state. It's pretty easy.

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I was saying that five years ago when we were having these discussions. I'm talking to Boziak. I'm saying, you know, and then somebody was, oh, that's colonization. I don't have a problem with colonization.

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Right. I don't see that. And if you're saying, no, fuck you, we don't want that. Okay, great. Well, then don't ask for any money.

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But you're handing out my money. I just got out of prison. I don't know about you. Bro, I never got a COVID check. At the end of the year when I'm supposed to get $4,000 back or $3,000, you know what happens? They take my money. Yeah. Like I pay in this like every year I pay in tens of thousands of dollars into the U.S.

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government and then they take it and they send it to Ukraine or they send it somewhere else.

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I appreciate it. Listen, the whole insider trading thing, all of that shit, like Republican or Democrat, to me, if you enter public office and you're going to try and turn around and make a buck on it, That's a problem, bro. That's a problem.

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Sending $12 million to send condoms to Rwanda or Nigeria. Like, what are we doing?

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Anybody that puts a bunch of money into crypto, it's so questionable, and it is so volatile, and it's a volatile market. So you have to understand that you can lose a chunk of money. So that's kind of like the thing with – what was it? What's his name? The ZooCoin or what was it called? CryptoZoo. CryptoZoo. Yeah, CryptoZoo. It's like anybody that's investing a bunch of money.

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Well, what's funny is I don't even see that it ever really gets uncovered because here's the thing. If I send $12 million to Nigeria and Nigeria funnels back $8 million to some company that's owned by the nephew of some senator,

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uh then to me when when the doj comes in and says okay nigeria we need to know where you sent that did you you got 12 million did you reroute that money and they go we don't have to respond to you yeah like it's the perfect it's the perfect scam because they're going to be like we're not going to do that why would we do that it's a perfect money washing technique right i mean it's just like i don't have to respond to your little what did you did you send me a suspina

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And it takes weeks, and it's super expensive.

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So. What are we doing? I didn't think this thing was going to go fucking 45 minutes.

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The rant went way longer than anything else.

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If the files aren't... You know what the real problem with Trump is? That he keeps making news. And every time he comes out and makes news, nobody watches our videos. So this guy is dominating the... The span of time that people have to watch videos, he's cutting into that, which is cutting into our watch time. So our videos aren't getting as much watch time because even I do it.

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I'm watching more news than ever, and I hate the news.

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We did something with Pete, remember, on the Biden podcast. The video on Biden and the sex offenders and the whole, because he was like letting out sex offenders and stuff. We did a fucking thing.

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Did you even see that? No. They're like... 230 of them. You know, they've got that 40,000, that prison, that one prison that holds 40,000 inmates. They sent 230 gang members that aren't U.S. citizens to be housed there. In El Salvador. Yeah. Because, listen, the way they treat the guys, the way they walk them around, you get there, they shave your head. You're walking around in shorts.

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Right. So they walk them. Everywhere they walk, they're bent over. Like, they're not allowed to stand up straight and walk around there because they don't want them seeing where they're at or whatever. So they're constantly hunched over, walking. They walk them in there, and then they just stack there. They're stacked. There's no bed mats anywhere. You're sleeping on steel. Yeah.

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cox and use the code cox at checkout again that's ghostbed.com slash cox with the code cox at the checkout to save a whopping 50 off site wide it's the most it's got to be the most inhumane but then again i also think that these are gang members you've got tattoos all over your face and you're murdering people yeah i'm not sure how humanely i'm supposed to teach

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You got these guys that are saying, I put $40,000 into it and it's down to $1,500 and this is bullshit. It's like the truth is you put $40,000 in it because you thought you were going to be one of the guys on the way up. Yeah. And now that you turned out, you bought it at the top and it just dropped. Now you're upset. I got screwed.

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Now it's one of the safest.

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They built prisons that can handle 100,000 people. They've got a couple prisons. They locked it. And they went around, and they basically went around and looked, and anybody that looked like a gang member Boom. They just grabbed you. And we hold you in jail until eventually you go in front of a court. And then we determine at that time whether we're going to let you out under what circumstances.

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And if they can prove that you have anything to do with the gang, you may not be getting out. And right now they have them working off their time in factories. Right. Yeah. See that. Yeah. You got these gang members. These guys are all tattooed up. They're making fucking they're making sweaters and shit in there. They're terrified. Which is – listen, I'm sorry.

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You get to a point where you have to suspend human rights. You get to a point where that's the only way to take over a country is to be an absolute tyrant. And what's so funny about that is once that guy cleans up the entire country and it becomes livable and it's a decent place to live again and they start – and then they start re-

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re-implementing basic standards of living and human rights and how you should treat someone, they'll throw him out. That's just what happens.

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You know what's interesting is like Winston Churchill. He's bitching and moaning about Germany for years. They're rebuilding their military. They're doing this. They're doing that. They're doing this. They're invading here. They're invading there. He's screaming, like, what are we doing? We have to stop them. And everybody's, shut up, Winston. Sit down, Winston, you fat little troll. Sit down.

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You wouldn't have said shit if you'd been the guy at the bottom as it was going up. You would have been like, yeah, man, this is a great coin. So you see what I'm saying?

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Sit down. And finally— When they finally get to a point where they say, they realize like it's just overwhelming how bad things are getting with Nazi Germany. Now they're invading Poland. They're invading this. They're invading all these places. Like supposedly we're at war with them. They're doing all these things.

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Finally, when it's really honestly too late, you could have stopped them way before this. They finally say, okay, we're going to vote in Churchill. Churchill fights tooth and nail. for the next five years to help defeat, with the Americans, of course, and the Soviets, to help defeat the Nazis.

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And as soon as they declared the end of the war, and they're at the point where we're about to start rebuilding, they vote them out. We needed you to lead us to victory, but we don't need you anymore. We're done with you. We're done with you. It was just – it's just – and that's why it's like human beings are just really scumbags. I mean really.

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Like this is the man that led you to victory and you couldn't let him lead you during the time of peace even for a few years? Like he's an old man. He did the right thing. He used up his political power and energy on defeating the Nazis, which he – Which he pled for you to stop for fucking years prior to this. You treated him like a fool.

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And the moment he proved he was the right way to go and led you to victory, you throw him out on his ass. Like, what a just a bunch of fucking scumbags, bro.

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Yeah. It's sad. Yeah. It's sad. And that's just how the mob is. And that's really what's ruling these countries is just the mob.

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Mob, deep state, whatever. I don't mean the mob, the mob. I mean society as a mob. Like the majority, the great unwashed masses. That's the mob. This mob of unwashed masses. That's what's really running. the country. It's whatever's in their best interest.

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You were in our best interest temporarily, but now we've got another party that's coming in and they want to give us free healthcare and they're going to give us welfare. And Winston Churchill didn't believe in any of that. He's like, pull yourself up by your bootstraps. It's not time for us to start. We don't have an economy where we can start giving away stuff for free. We have to rebuild.

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They don't want to hear that. That guy over there said he's going to give me free health care and he's going to give me food stamps. And they said vote him in.

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Yeah. Oh, yeah. They said it's not... So I go to college and run up $150,000 debt on something that I can never pay off. A liberal arts degree. Yeah, a liberal arts degree. Like, you're just a bad investment. And so then they pay it off, but Jess spends $15,000 of her own money. Yeah, yeah.

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And because it's not a four-year degree, she happens to have a degree or get a certificate as a marine mechanic. She's got to pay her $15,000, which, by the way, makes a lot more money than your liberal arts degree. But you get the $150,000? Yeah. $150,000 and she didn't get shit? Like, come on, man. What are you doing?

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I had about $40,000 or $50,000 in student loan debt. Even though my dad paid for most of college, I still took out the $3,500 student loans that you could take out at about probably $40,000 or $50,000 worth. And I paid him down to about $30,000. And the week before I took off on the run, I paid him off.

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Right, because I'd still owe that money, right? Not that it matters. I still owe $6 million. But I'm saying, I remember thinking...

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No federal debt does, by the way. Like, I can't bankrupt the $6 million. I can't bankrupt it. Otherwise, I would have left prison and bankrupted it immediately. Yeah.

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Like if you're a doctor, I want you to have gone to college. Of course. I feel like you need to go to college.

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Some of these degrees are ridiculous.

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That's a great question. Hey, you guys, I appreciate you watching. Do me a favor, hit the subscribe button, hit the bell so you get notified of videos just like this. Please share the video. Also, if you'd like, please go in the description box and we're going to have all of Brandon's links in the description box so you can click on them. You can go to his YouTube channel.

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He has a financial channel where he talks about Bitcoin and finance. Right?

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Okay. Bitcoin and finance. And then he's also got Instagram. So you can click on there and follow him and subscribe to his channel. Once again, I appreciate you guys watching. Please consider joining our Patreon. Should I say the Patreon thing about? No, we're not sure.

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We're not sure. We were practicing with a watching, doing a live stream with a Patreon subscription. We're not sure if it's going to work out. We really only ended up having one guy watch. Anyway, but we didn't really tell anybody either, so I shouldn't say that. Anyway, I appreciate you guys watching. Thank you very much. See ya.

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Now, somebody said, hey, can you drop a tweet about this and say this? Yeah, sure. What is it again?

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Is it his team, though, or is it just other people that he knows coming to him saying, hey, we want you to attach your name to it? I mean, if I was him, even if you said, no, you don't have to do anything. Just attach your name, just like it would be like us running a hotel. You attach your name.

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Even if they downplayed it to simplify it so it didn't sound like it was nefarious, I still would be like— I don't know. I'd be like, I don't know. Guys, it's questionable. I don't feel like I want my name attached to something that could possibly lose people money. No matter what they were saying to them, because Colby and I have not taken sponsors and stuff because they were cryptocurrencies.

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So I'm sorry. I just remember that when you were talking. Because you were talking about having to put out so much content and stuff. So I'm sorry I got off. For $3.50 an hour? $3.50, he'd be putting it out.

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Do a fucking

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video bro what the fuck's wrong with you you don't even need like the two days you need to set up one set up like four interviews or three three interviews in one day because yeah knock all yeah i promise you one of those guys one of those guys isn't showing up right so if you set up three in a day just like two hours here two hours here two hours here and then if you get close to the end where let's say it ends up being like you're like oh shit it's it's gonna be like i got another interview in like 10 minutes this guy's not done say just say hey can you hold on one second

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And then you just text the other guy like, bro, I'm going to need another 30 minutes, 20. Just push it back. Push it back. So let me ask you this, Mr. And you can use StreamYard. Yes. And we paid for the StreamYard. It's a 350, maybe 300, 350. A year though. Yeah. It doesn't matter. We paid for it. You get it for free. He gets it for free. I wish when I started, I had a friend like me.

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Christmas Eve, we went to Outback Steakhouse. We took Jess's mom to Outback Steakhouse because she took her mom to see her daughter. So... Um, the next day they went for a couple of days, but we went there that night, took her out to dinner. And while we were there, a guy came up to me and it's funny cause he had my picture on.

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You know what Danny said to me? You figure it out. You got an iPhone. That was the help Danny gave me. It was good advice, but he didn't push it on me. I was like, yeah, but I don't have editing software. There's free shit. That was it. Did he actually

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say that there's free yeah he was like there's free stuff so you guys you're gonna uh you could do it on people doing on their phone you know he didn't that's why i'm always like it was good advice he didn't really really break it down like no you don't understand like the business model although it sucks because the problem is you're starting off with whatever three hundred dollars a year or three hundred dollars a month and you say okay three hundred dollars a month on a let's say that three hundred dollars is a

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The first year, I don't know, 150% increase, right? Or let's say 200% and whatever. It's really more than that. Let's say it's more like a 200% increase. So, and it's really more than that. That's very conservative. That's not your numbers. Your numbers are huge. It certainly could be based on the few months that you did actually produce a couple of videos. But let's say conservatively,

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let's say it's double. So it would have gone from, you know, let's say by the end of the year, it would have gone from 300 to 600, right? That's the problem. The problem is you're looking at it like, fuck, it's only $600. Like in a year from now, I'm going to be making $600. I understand. But the problem is you're starting with 300.

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If you looked at any business and you said, by the way, I can double, we're going to double your business model every single year. Nobody wouldn't do that. The problem is it's 300 bucks. If it started at three grand and went, you know, in a year from where it was going to go from three grand to six, you'd be like, okay, I'll do it.

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Cause to you, three grand, six grand, $600 in a year from now is nothing.

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Right. So that that's the problem is that you're not realizing that the next year is 1200 and the next year is 24 next year. And it costs very little to do. It costs you nothing, but your time, you could set up three interviews in one day. And if you were doing that every day, it made it like a, hey, I don't go, sorry, doc, I don't have, I need an appointment on this day, on Tuesdays. Why?

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Well, we're off on Wednesday. Yeah, but Wednesday I have this, I have another job. I have to be there. There's another job. I already have appointments set up. And I only set up on Tuesdays from here on out. And here's your Tuesdays. and you just did that, you would get to a point where you'd be able to put out two a week that were about close to two hours. It would quadruple.

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It'd be from 300 to six. It'd really be monthly, six to whatever, six to 1,000 or 900, 900 to 1,200. Within six months, you'd be making a couple thousand. Within a year, you'd probably be making $4,000. Within 18 months, I don't need a job. And that's when it really happens, because that's when you really go, OK, now I don't need another job. So now I don't have to just schedule on Tuesdays.

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I can schedule three days, four days a week. Right now, I know a guy I don't want to say his name. He was making he was doing StreamYard and he was putting out two videos a week and was making fifteen thousand dollars a month. That was it. That was it. I guarantee he doesn't have the watch time you had. Some of our highest watch time videos were when you were on.

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He had one of the, one of the tick tocks frozen, where it was my picture. And he goes, art, is this you? And I went, I said, yeah, that's me. He goes,

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So that's why it's irritating because it's like, okay, you're working where you're working and everything No offense to idiots out there, but any idiot out there could work where you're working right now. You know what I'm saying? Like anybody could do that job. I've seen that. They're neighbors. I'm actually attracted to one. Make me a hot dog. So all you've got to do is pick one day a week.

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And I'm so far off on those numbers. Because even Colby will be like, even when we've talked about it, we go, oh, within six months, he's making a couple grand a month, within six months, easily. I mean, you saw the numbers anyway. Within the second month, was it 600 or 300 or what was it?

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yeah bludgeon today so i mean and i could i could talk like i've been now i've stopped watching the news i started watching series so i could talk about different series and and just a lot of different topics yeah but that's the whole thing you don't even have to what you really have to talk about is just talk with other criminals other former criminals that will talk to you and that's not hard because every one of these guys he knows two people

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you're matt cox and i went i said yeah and he goes bro he said i watch all your stuff i'm sorry he's like i saw you here i didn't want to bother you and then jess had already left she'd already walked gone to the car with her mom so i'm just paying the bill and i was like i was like he's like i don't want to bother i said no bro absolutely bother me i said i'm i'm good he's like man i can we get a pair i said let's get a picture fuck yeah i think i took a picture with him so yeah i think he said look can we get a selfie i said absolutely

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Those two people make no two people. And once it starts going, people are just sending you stuff. Yo, bro, I want to come on your podcast. Yo, bro. And they really just want to see you interact with somebody. That's all. And let's face it, 80% of the time, if I'm interviewing somebody, 80 to 90% of the time, they're talking. 90% of the time.

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But you're not telling me your story.

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Shut the fuck up. If you're telling me your story... Like, I'll bet you when Dossie was here, I probably talked 3% of the time. You know, I couldn't get it. He talks right over. He's like me. I told Colby going in. I said, oh, this guy talks right over you. I said, he's like me. I said, he absolutely just interrupts and talks right over me. And he's loud. He's way louder.

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He's way more aggressive and louder. So it's like I have to just sit there. Do you remember this? And maybe he lets me tell a little story. And we jump right back into it.

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Right, right. But that's what I'm saying. That's all you guys have to do. That shouldn't be difficult. You could do it on... And you could do it on StreamYard. And it could... Did you ever look?

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Yeah, and part of that was the second month when you didn't post anything or anything on down. We're still making residuals off the first two months.

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that's what yeah that's what who got me with that he's like dude like fucking do a bit sit down and do a fucking video when it really really started working was when we got we got to the point where it was just covering my bills and i didn't really have to do anything else but do the content now i still did because i'm a workaholic right like if somebody says hey come talk at my convention and i'll give you four thousand dollars you're like what are we talking about what

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why am I not on a plane? You know? So yeah, I still do stuff because I, this is, I can, I can, I can always shove something in there, you know, but if you can get to just, if you bust your ass to get to that point where you can, where you can get it to pay your bills, then you can double down and, and just knock it out.

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So, you know, then you can double down. Once you double down, then it, then it goes, it does, you know, it goes from this, this little, you know, that slowly going up to, you know, and you have the ability to go on other people's podcasts and tell your story. You just come up with a two hour, an hour version and a two hour version.

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So, you know, OK, in a two hour version, I tell this story in the hour version. I don't tell that story. You just come up with the stories or you condense them. I'm not going to tell the whole story. I'm going to condense it to this.

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And so I got an hour version so I can go on the programs that want to do an hour and I can go on the two hour ones that want to do two hours. And then you walk in and you say, what do you guys usually do? And they're like, we typically try to get at least two hours. Okay, you know that's the story you're going to tell, the two-hour version. I'll just expand on this one. I'll also mention this.

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I'll talk about this.

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And so we take a picture, everything, shake hands, let's go. He's like, I watch your stuff all the time. He gave me his business card, the whole thing. So then I leave, I get home and I check my Instagram and another guy said, yo, bro, this might be a little random, but were you just at... you know, at Alpac Steakhouse. He's like, I didn't approach you because I saw you were with some people.

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Yeah, because we missed each other by just a few weeks. I went to the low and you showed up two weeks later.

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Well, especially too, because you can even expand it more. Cause you can explain what the tax scam is. Cause it was not even a scam. No, I'm not saying you did a scam, but that was what they were concerned with. Oh, right. So you can explain, first of all, here's what was going on in the street. That's a 10 minute explanation that, So you think to yourself, yeah, but that's not what I was doing.

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It doesn't matter. That's what they thought you were doing. So you tell that 10 or 15 minute part of the story as background. And that's 10 to 15 more minutes of content.

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You know, so there's times when I'll be talking to a guy and, you know, the story's wrapping up and I'll start throwing in like, oh, yeah, bro, that reminds me. I knew. Yeah, I actually knew a guy and I'll tell that story. And it's five minutes. And you think, yeah, that was that was relevant. But you didn't have to say that. No, I didn't.

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But he's wrapping it up and we're at 50 minutes and I want at least an hour. Right. Because because we're not put we're not. we're not posting anything that's less than an hour. So then I tell that story, got us an extra five minutes. So guess what? Now he tells us another five minutes. Then he says, yeah, yeah. And then I went to prison and I got it. So with anything, what happened in prison?

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Oh, well, what was that like when you got out of prison? What did you go to a halfway house? Did you like, I don't care if you went to a halfway house, we're trying to get over an hour. Guys are walking out the door like, yeah, bro. Like I could tell, like you really are concerned about how I'm doing. And I appreciate that. Stop it. Stop it. I need an hour.

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I don't, you know, I don't have time. I had a guy the other day who was like, yo, bro, I'm going to send you my book. I'd really appreciate it if you'd read it first because I'd like you to know what the story is. Your book, how many pages is it? It's 300. It's about 300 pages. Okay, so that's 10 hours of reading time, by the way, for someone who can read. It's probably 14 hours for me.

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But for someone who can read, it's about 10 hours. So I interview four to six people a week. If I had to read six people's books, that's 60 hours, really 90 hours for me. But let's say I'm a good reader, which I'm not. 60 hours and six interviews of two hours a piece. I'm just fucking like, who the fuck do you think you are that I'm going to read your fucking.

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I've had people that I'm like, yeah, I'm going to try and get to, I'm trying to get to it. Like I'll say I'm going to try and get to it, but I don't get to it because I can't get to it. And it's no good anyway for me to know your story. If you can't tell your story, don't come on the program. I'm not going to pull your story out. You understand what happened.

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You understand the story you want to tell. I'm going to jump in there and try and help you. Guide you along the story.

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But that's a 10-minute interview or five or 10. You have two hours, three, four. You want to spend four hours on it? Let's do four hours. Colby will trim it down. Yeah, but I don't want to ramble. Ramble. Ramble. Tell me about your childhood that has nothing to do with your overall story. You can tell me about an interesting story in your childhood, and Colby will get...

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He said, but I could have swore that was you. And I said, yeah, that was me. He's like, yo, bro, I didn't want to approach you. I wish I'd known. But I didn't want to interrupt you. I said, absolutely. I said, interrupt me. Interrupt me, bro. I said, you're the reason that I don't have to have a real job. I said, absolutely. Interrupt me. I said, I will immediately take a photo with me.

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We'll look at it and go, yeah, yeah. You know what? That 15-minute story he told me about his aunt dying of cancer, it never really tied in. I understand it was sad and everything, but people are going to click off. So clip, clip, boom, 15 minutes is gone. Thank God this guy went for three hours. Colby has taken four-hour videos and turned them into an hour and 45 minutes.

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just by chop, chop, chop, chop, chop. So tell me everything. Colby's going to trim it down. He's going to come up with what he thinks works. And so far, it's been a working recipe. Luckily, I love the stories where the guy comes and sits down. When you told your story, you came and sit down. And I probably, out of that two hours and change, talk for five minutes, maybe 10.

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The best interviews are the ones where I sit there and go, right, right. Like if the guy's been to prison, I did 10 years and I got a pretty good story. You think, Nice. He's told the story for 10 years to all of his buddies. He knows what they reacted to. He knows the setup. He knows when he told this one story one time and everyone's like, right, right, right. Okay. What happened then?

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You know, last time I told it, everybody laughed.

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I set it up different last time. Yep. Okay. Then the next time he told it, he went ahead and mentioned this and everybody was like, ha, ha, ha. And he's like, that's right, because I didn't, this time I said it like this. He's told this story 60 times in 10 years. He knows how to tell it. So I love this ones where they sit down and I get to go, right, right. But then what happened? Right?

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Well, I thought he was with you. Oh, that's right. And that's all I have to do. The whole time, I barely say anything. If I'm typically talking, maybe it's because the guy mentioned something that made me think, oh, okay, you know what I do? Like, maybe it is relevant. Like, yeah, I did meet a guy who was locked up for a Ponzi scheme. Yeah, yeah, he told me exactly the same thing.

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Oh, what kind of Ponzi? Oh, it was blah, blah, blah. And I tell it real quick and keep going. Or maybe I try and say something that helps support what you're saying. You know, because you said something and I thought, hmm. I think the way he said that, it doesn't sound like that's something the government would do. And people are going to be in the comments saying, that's bullshit, bro.

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The government would do that. So I'm going to go ahead and give him an example. Really, it's for the viewer.

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Oh, yeah, yeah. I actually knew a guy that got arrested and they found a bullet in the toolbox that was in the back of his car. And he ended up getting an armed career criminal because they found a bullet in And he's like, yeah, this was what happened to me. So yeah, bro, I could never believe that. Saw his paperwork. I was like, that's insane. He's like, no, bro, I'm telling you.

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And I'm like, and so what, did you have a, did you have a gun, bro? I bought that car two weeks earlier, two weeks before that for 200 bucks. $200. I'd never cleaned it out. It was trashed. It was a running vehicle for $200 or $1,000, whatever. He paid for it. They pulled me over. They searched the car. They found a fucking bullet. It wasn't even mine. I got 15 years.

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Tell me whatever. Say hi, whatever, bro. I said, absolutely okay with you interrupting me. Next time you see me, I said, stop me. And he goes, man, I appreciate it, bro. Cool, I'm glad you like that. So that was twice, just going to dinner. And I think that makes me feel good because I know, because what that tells me is like, it's working. like, you've got the stuff out there, it's working.

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Why didn't you go to trial? Bro, I'm not going to go to trial. They were going to give me life. They're going to my life. I'm going to get life. Or I take the 15. I took the 15. So now that helps support your story because it's what you said, how you ended up. And the viewer doesn't think, oh, bullshit, bro. You know that was your shit, bro. No, no, that happens. I've met a guy. I met a guy.

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I know you've met a guy. Right. So that's the only time I want to jump in there either to get time or to help support the story. Um, or sometimes I might even say, yeah, yeah, yeah. You sent me the fucking, you sent me the indictment or, oh yeah, yeah. Is that part of this stuff you sent me? Cause people will send me stuff. And I like to throw that in there, whether I really reviewed it or not.

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Or I say, yeah, yeah. I read the article. Cause I probably did read the article. They sent me an article. Cause I don't even read it. I highlight it and I put, no, I highlight it and I push speak. And it goes, on January 17th, 1995, Broward County arrested three people for an armed robbery. And it reads it to me.

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Like you don't want him to, you don't want him to already know. If I already know, I don't ask, I'm not going to ask any questions, you know, and I'm not going to be shocked or, cause I'm, I know. Yeah. Yeah. I know he's telling me right now, but I also know that, you know, he's telling me what happened, but I already know that it was his best friend that set him up.

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Like the guy, like, like Darcy, I knew 25% of Darcy's story. The guy that came that I was locked up with, we did a podcast the other day and I knew some of it, but luckily I didn't know all of it because my reactions were so, it was so over the top. Like there was stories he was, if I had known them, I wouldn't have reacted that way.

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Cause I'd have been like, Oh yeah, that's the guy that says, Oh yeah. You know, that would have been great, but... Were you laughing at his stories? Bro, you had to, bro. They were fucking hilarious. And he does the voices, and he's hilarious, and he's... And he was super... He knows how to tell, like, build up a story.

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everything came crashing down and like so he like that's how he like tells the story but he's yeah so what about the the leasing like the not leasing agent she was a sales agent yeah that that really didn't didn't want to show him like and she didn't really want to show him the place right didn't really want to show him the place like you know he walked in he's a black guy in atlanta and she's kind of like and he's he's not really you know sophisticated looking yeah well

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First of all, he has a scar down his face, right? He looks like, you know, he looks like he could be a street guy and he is kind of a street guy, right? Like he's been a street guy when he was younger, right? He's just kind of evolved out of that when he started doing real estate. So but he's still he's got this fucking scar. I mean, he looks like and he's a he's a big guy.

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And he comes in and she didn't really necessarily want to show him the place. And then she shows it to him. And then he comes down. He's like, OK, I'll take it. And she's like, it's this much. He's like, yeah, I know. I'll take it. And he's like, look, I'm going to give you $1,000 earnest. She's like, sir, I'm not taking $1,000 earnest deposit. People put down $10,000, $20,000.

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I never believed that whole, somebody had told me one time, one of these producers or something that would option your story, like, well, I'm not sure about you doing all these, you know, being like, I see you everywhere. And I don't know if that's a good thing. I feel like you're maybe getting overexposed. Like what? Like Nike? Like, is that too much exposure?

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Like, yeah, I know, but I'm going to put down $1,000. And she's like, I'm not taking. He's like, you have to take it. So he has a whole disagreement with her. And in the end, he calls the owner to call her to make her take the money. And so she takes the money, and then he said, I'm going to buy it for your price in like five days or something. Was it five or ten days or something?

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I'm going to buy it for the price you want on the contingent that she doesn't make a fucking dime. She didn't take the money. She didn't this. She didn't that.

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Yeah. Yeah. That she, you don't pay her a dime. She didn't take the money. She didn't write the contract. She didn't this and that. So the guy, he ends up getting a deal with the guy and then he does buy the project. And he says, so every day when I'm walking there every day, she sees me. He's like, so the first day he walked in, he's walking and he's like,

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And she's just like, they're not neighbors. This is a salesperson. $900,000 or $600,000. She would have made, what would she have made? She made 3%. That's, you know, God knows that's what, 40, 50 grand? Because you wouldn't take $1,000 you wanted me to put up. You didn't think I was serious. But it's a whole, you know what I'm saying? He had a whole presentation.

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But that's the great thing about him. The vengeance of it. Yeah, the guys that have been in prison, they tell their stories.

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So all you got to do is interview guys that have been in prison. So it doesn't take any work on your part. Where do you get the people from prison?

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Well, no. They're in prison. From Instagram. I mean, Instagram or friends of friends. You got to start asking for, do you know somebody? Do you know anybody that will come on the podcast?

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And you might have to – there may be times when you're like, man, I got – it's good to have some in the hopper, right? But there may be times you're like, I got nothing. I've got nothing. But the most important thing is consistency. But I have nothing. I don't have a video. So you just get on there yourself, right? That's right. You get on there yourself. Man, I got on there.

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I went and I read two articles about some chick. And I'm going to read the article. And then I'm going to say what I think she did to get what she was doing. I'm not positive, but this is what I think she was doing. And you talk about it. You drag it out for 45 minutes to an hour.

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Maybe you do two articles on fraud and you drag it out for an hour, which to me, that would be, it'd be tough, but you could do it. And you throw in some of your own stories in there. Ryan's because I used to do this. And it ends up being about an hour. And then you post that video. Is it a dog shit video? Yeah, it is. It is. So what? You're starting a fucking channel.

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Like, listen, you know, I don't have a

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Nobody's watching to begin with. What do you care if 400 people watch it? What do you care? What's important is- It starts adding up. That's an hour.

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Yeah, that's another hour. And you probably got a couple people that subscribe because of it. And the biggest thing is consistency. YouTube's algorithm said he's been putting stuff out on Tuesdays and he put another one out on Tuesday. And then at some point when you get enough that you've got a little bit of a backlog and you say, you know what I can do?

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I'm starting to get a check for, I got a check last month for 1200 bucks. I think if I were to put out two of these, I'll bet you in two months from now, I'll get a check for $2,200. And $2,200 is my rent. I could even take a day off work and do more. Really? So you start to see it and you're like, oh my God, this is happening. So then you go ahead and do that again.

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problem i need exposure for people to see it and people to that that's what's getting us views and and so yeah absolutely and being available right so i mean i i bro i love that we go to we go to um to eat breakfast and it's so funny one time because we were jess and i were eating breakfast and and i get this all the time we're just guys will walk by and they'll go hey hey what did the guy do the other day he's hey bro he's i love your stuff he goes and i go oh man i appreciate it he goes see ya

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Now I can really make an effort to try and get some people. I'm going to start hounding people.

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Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

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Zach can mail in business cards to guys that are leaving. Like, hey, you know anybody that's leaving? Got a good story? Give them a business card. And that's it. You just do that and it starts to work. Next thing you know, that's your thing. There definitely is this level of commitment. It is because you have to work for nothing for a long time.

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You're opening your own business. That's exactly what it is. You're opening your own business. It's a business. You're running a network. That's what you're running, a network. It's true. Matter of fact, you're running a larger network than... Then NBC, CBS, and ABC had the ability to run back in the 1950s, 60s, 70s, and 80s. Oh, with exposure.

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Because it's worldwide, and everybody has access to it, and they're all holding a device in their hand. Right. How many people in the 50s or 60s when NBC was going was putting out, you know, putting out whatever the Tonight Show, how many TVs were there in America? Because that's all it was, was America. It wasn't everywhere. This is worldwide. And I'll bet you there are.

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That's like 100%. That's just in the United States. This is global.

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No, no, I'm saying TV. I said TVs compared to cell phones now.

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People are still watching stuff that we put out three years ago. Oh, I didn't send you that comment where this subscriber sent me that said, I just finished. I saw that. Over the last two years, I finished watching every single episode you've put out in the last two years.

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No, because it was a woman. It was a woman.

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I mean, Jess is 38. She just turned 39. Sorry, she just turned 39. The fact that she said that in there It wouldn't have gone well. There was no good response. There wasn't even, hey, I think I did. Maybe I did send something. Hey, I appreciate it or something. Thanks so much. Keep watching. Something very, very benign.

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The sixth game plan is the Crime Chronicles. Is the Crime Chronicles. Okay, that's your...

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Instagram.

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Oh, God, yes. What's her name? Marvelous?

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And I go, see ya. You know, he's like, and I didn't think that was like a thing. See ya. So, so that happened. And then, you know, somebody else, one time I remember we saw like a bus boy, he kept looking and he talked to the hostess and she's looking. And, and then this was recently too, probably a couple of months ago. They're looking and looking.

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Whatever you want. He just sits there and shakes his head. The funniest one is when she says, she goes, uh... I don't know his name, like Rick or something like that. Or let's say, you know, Rick. She's like, she goes, are you still in love with your first love? Are you still in love with her? And he goes, yeah, it's because it's you. She goes, you fucking lie. You lie.

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I know who your first love is. She said, she goes, she's a homemaker. Yeah, she's a nice homemaker, a good girl. No toxicity in that bitch. She makes fucking, she bakes bread on the weekends. Yep. You could have had a good life with her. Not an ounce of toxicity in that bitch. You could have had a good life, but that's not what you signed up for, is it? That's not what you, I mean, it's so insane.

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She's a tough chick. Oh, my God. That poor guy. That guy, he's talking about doing time. He's doing some time.

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I mean, those are great, though.

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Marvelous Nancy or something. I don't know. You don't know? I'm telling you. I don't fucking know who this bitch is. No, I've seen a bunch of hers, too, because I always show them to Jess. We laugh and laugh. Oh, Jess laughs at those? Oh, she thinks she's hilarious. She's like, I love it. She's hilarious. She's like, that's crazy. That's crazy. That's what Jess says? Yeah. I'm not crazy.

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You know what's so funny about Jess is that she genuinely, out of every chick I've ever dated, is the least crazy chick I've ever dated.

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really really like she's not you know she seems very yeah she's really isn't she she has she has a spike here or there but she also will say something crazy and of course i just laugh most i'm just laugh because i i know i know that she's you know whatever i don't know what's going on but you know you're getting a little bit a little crazy then she'll get like you think this and then she'll stop stop and i'm laughing and it makes her more mad when i laugh and then she goes upstairs and then like five minutes later she comes downstairs she's like

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And I kept thinking, Jess goes, you know, I think that she's like, I recognize you. I said, I said, he'll probably wait till we, I leave. I said, he probably doesn't want to say anything. She was like, he goes, yeah. And then sure enough, we get to get up, go to move. And this girl that had never looked at me stood up and walked over. And she goes, excuse me. She goes, are you Matt Cox?

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Look, I might've been a little crazy earlier. Okay. And I'm sorry about that, but you made me mad. You know? And I'm like, I know. And she's like, but you know, that was probably out of line. I. That's awesome. You know? And I'm like, it's fine.

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Can relate to all that stuff. Oh yeah. Cause the other ones never, they'd never admit that they had made a mistake or that they were. That's the basis of the whole thing.

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Yeah. Oh yeah. Oh, she was just bipolar. She was bipolar. Yeah. Well, what's funny too is that like it's always like two days later, Jess will come running downstairs, she's like... This couple here. What's their name?

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have you met that one no i've seen a bunch of hers but theirs are all staged the other chick that she just puts the cell phone that and says i got a question for you and then he'll walk in she'll go i got a question for you and he'll be like oh god are we doing a tiktok yep so listen to this i want to know what was such and he'll be like oh my god i don't know i don't know what i did i don't know why i said that well why don't you think and she gets all upset it's like

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So, so what are you, so what are we doing? What are we doing? Are we doing 25? No, I know. But I mean, what are we doing in 2025? We got to get to six here soon. Oh, oh yes. What, what is your plan? My plan, my plan is working.

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And I go, yeah, I am. She goes, my dad loves you. She goes, every morning I wake up, you're on our TV. She goes, can I get a picture with you? He'll, oh my God, he'll be so, he'll be so jealous. And I was like, absolutely. Jessica goes, give me your phone. You know, and the busboy never said anything. But the point is, is like, like it's.

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I wanted to mention because we had talked about this is that when the CEO thing happened, I immediately texted like probably the next day or when I realized it was starting to kind of be a big deal. I texted Tom Simon. Excuse me. I texted Tom Simon. which is a retired FBI agent that we have on. And I asked him like, hey, can you, would you like to do something on this, like in the next few days?

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And he actually, he was like, I can't because I'm leaving for three days. I was like, okay, what about next week? He goes, can't, I'm gonna be home for one day. I have to catch up work. And the following day I'm leaving for wherever he was going for four days. So it was like, I was like, okay, well, maybe something else will happen and we'll have you on.

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But I mean, it's trended down at this point. I don't think they had even caught the guy yet when I texted him.

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No, I know that. But I'm saying I was hoping, I've got a retired FBI agent that has hunted guys down And it was like, hey, how great would that have meant for us to talk? We can, one, talk about the whole what happened. What do you think happened? How are they going to try and catch this guy? That's an hour. And then we could have put it up. But we didn't have enough time.

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But we need a group of experts that we can – or go-to guys is what –

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Right. So his, yeah. So I'm sorry. So think about it. The lawyer's video made 900 bucks to our video. Well, whatever it was our, and I don't know what it was. Hold on. Uh, Yeah, two-hour and 20-minute video made $900. But the short made $1,000. Actually made more, like $1,500. Wow. So, yeah, it was... See, we were talking about the guy. And that was a very small...

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Hey, I'll tell you something right now. We had a guy – this is a perfect example of someone – of the difference between getting somebody that's high-profile That you think is going to do amazing. And then just getting a regular guy.

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Who is that dad? It was the salt and pepper bandit. Him and a black guy and a white guy. Were robbing. Beverage castles. You know the one you drive through. All around here. Robbed. 15, 20, 30 of them?

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Listen, he was hilarious. Old guy.

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No, I'm saying it's the difference between somebody who can tell a story... It doesn't have an amazing story. Tony, he's a robber. He's robbing people. And somebody who maybe stole $100 million and you think, oh, this guy's going to be amazing. Like, what a great, what an amazing story. Yeah, but he can't really tell it. This guy can tell the story. And it was hilarious.

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know he definitely looked we did have the one guy come in we had one guy walked in he goes wow what he's saying he's like wow you are short i was like you said that to somebody oh i've said it to people i'm really a guy who said it to me too though he came in because i remember standing right in the hallway there and he goes wow you are short like i know you talk about it but you are i thought for

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He was hilarious telling the story. Funny, great. Doesn't have to be over the top. That's what I'm saying for guests. Right. Doesn't have to be an over-the-top guest. Doesn't have to be somebody who's polished. He damn sure wasn't polished. But he was very self-aware. He was like, you know, and yeah, I remember I got that money. I got that money. I'm like, well, that's a lot of money.

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Yeah, I know. We smoked that up. We smoked that up. Yeah, we got some rock. We got some rock. And that rock, you know, so like three days later, that money gone. That money gone. We got to rob somebody else. We got to rob somebody else. So then we got, you know, we didn't have, I'm like, so what did you do? We didn't have a gun yet. Nah, we just walked up with a can of vodka. You know what I mean?

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He does a whole thing. We were like, this guy's fucking hilarious.

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Yeah. Great. Yeah. Great story. We smoked it.

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Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he's the whole thing. Like I'm like, like when he said, wait, he said it.

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but that's what i'm saying like you don't have to when you find your guests you you don't have to find some amazing you can just get some normal people and they'll have a yeah some normal guy that went to prison for five or six years like he's got a story yeah you know you get six years in in uh in florida state prison or the feds or something you got a story you can talk for an hour about it

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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know what he was saying. Like half the time I'm like, I would look and I'd be like, He, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my,

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What are you saying? What is it? Method. Method. Oh, yeah, yeah.

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They both... He doesn't find my... The FBI agent? Yeah, he's a retired FBI agent. And we've had a few of them, and he's a recurring guest. Is that... It bothers him. And he'll say it. He's like, your empathy for these criminals bothers me. Really? He said that? I'm like, empathy? What are you talking about empathy? I said, what about that guy? I said, you have no empathy for that guy.

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He's in prison. He's a widower. And he's like, he killed his wife with a hammer. I said, still? Still? He's a widower. He's a victim. And he's like... I mean, that is because he is very much a straight man. You know, if we were a comedy, I would be the funny comic and he would be the straight man.

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He did financial.

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I don't even think they said I don't think that's illegal. It shouldn't even be illegal. It's like. Yes, it's illegal. Yeah, you don't find... I was just stealing from the bank. Everybody does that. That's not even a crime. That's a victimless crime.

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Money laundering. Money laundering and wire fraud. I'm like, laundering money? That's like when you're trying to take dirty money and make it appear clean. No, no. For tax purposes. Just removing money out of the bank. They consider money laundering. Money laundering. What are you talking about?

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Like, I got a credit card in somebody else's name, and then I withdrew money out of that credit card from an ATM. Money laundering. Money laundering. That's what they were saying. Like, I was opening up bank accounts, and then I would borrow money and stick the money in the bank, and I would remove the money from the bank. And these people don't even exist.

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And I would remove the money, and they'd go, that's money laundering. How is that money laundering? That's just stealing. That's just part of the fraud. That's bank fraud. Bank fraud and money laundering. And money wire fraud because they had to wire that money in the bank. So, Jesus God almighty, like, what are you doing?

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He's disgusted. He's disgusted with me. Listen, Tom Simons is disgusted with me.

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he would he's reoccurringly disgusted his audience is disgusted with tom that he would sit down with matt yeah they give him a hard time how dare you go on this man's podcast platform and give him the the the validity of having a decorated fbi agent like how what are you thinking what do you it's like that's what they tell him that's what they tell him what's his view of that It's fine.

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He's like, some people like it, some people don't. I'm all right. He's like, I know. He said he responds like he's a reformed con man who's making an honest living. But, you know, there are some people, it doesn't matter what you do or how much you reform. It doesn't matter.

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Yeah, you committed fraud. You're always a scumbag. It's like, what are you talking about? Like, I grew up. I got married. I had two kids. I put them through college. I worked a regular. Doesn't matter. Doesn't matter. Like, okay, you know what? You're just trying to feel good about yourself. That's what it is. You're not, you're not a happy person.

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So what, so what is, so what is your goal? What real quick, what is your goal? Not real. I take your time, but I'm saying let's focus on what is your goal for 2025?

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I know Matt Cox. What? And you know what's so funny is like Colby gets to be around me all the time. For nothing, for nothing. He doesn't appreciate it.

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Go ahead.

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She's going, she's good.

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I believe that.

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I just don't think that's what his primary source of income is.

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Yeah. You know he's short, right? He's everywhere. Whose podcast I did the other day, the guy was like, well, here, you've got a podcast. Pitch your podcast. And I was like, yeah, honestly, there's better shit on YouTube. I said, there's some great stuff on Netflix. I said, there's a lot of great documentaries you could be watching. You could do better than watching my podcast.

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Yeah. Right. And then you can learn. Another thing to try and learn is to do editing, is to edit it. So if you could edit the stream yards, you can get it to the point where it looks almost like this.

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I was going to say, it is a studio. It just happens to be in my living room.

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What I'm going to say is it's funny because Then, you know, Boziak, right, is in Thailand. So he was putting out his videos on First Channel and some guy contacted him, a guy that is because Boziak was interviewed by a Russian podcaster. And during that podcast, they kept saying that John Boziak is the Russian Ivan, whatever the guy's name is, some Russian thing.

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So they have a John Boziak in Russia who was doing credit card fraud. And everybody knows. So they kept saying, oh, he's the American version of Ivan or whatever the guy's name is.

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So, well, that guy reached out to Boziak because Boziak's in Thailand. And the guy's like, hey, why don't you fly down to... I forget the name of the city. It's this $80 flight there and back. He was like, I'm Phuket. He's like, I live in Phuket. Apparently, there's a large Russian population in Phuket. He was like, really? He's like, I got a whole studio. I would like to interview you.

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He flew down, was interviewed by him, and Boziak put the interview up on his like he interviewed him and him he interviewed they interviewed each other and then he put it up on his on his video or on his pod on his youtube channel well the quality of this guy's podcast you very quickly re look at it and you're like wow oh wow

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Like, that's—it's really—like, it's—you look at ours, and it's, like, a good quality. For the money, we've got as much bang as you can get out of our buck. But you can tell this guy, it's—he must be shooting, and everything's in 4K. The cameras have to be just over the top. And Boziak said, listen, you walk in there, he goes, it may very well be one of the best—

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He started laughing. These guys start, they start like this. what the fuck well because here's what happens is at the very end like at the end of those things almost nobody's watching by the time you start talking about your youtube channel like they're they're dropping like flies like it's just you know so me saying yeah check out my channel this What am I going to get?

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I can't see. That does look nice.

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so i can tell that the lighting but then he's got plants in the background okay you can see it's a living room right yeah it's actually not so i'll give you an example is that like i like that this has to fit in my living room right you know and i've got another year on my lease in a year from now when we get a bigger place All of this will be expanded. These will go back slightly.

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This whole thing will shift forward so that there's a wall, but you'll see depth behind these things that you could, there's a hole. It'll be like, you'll be able to walk out this way. So these will be brought back. All this will be shifted forward. So, so that you can see the depth of everything. There'll be more shadows, more. So mine would look more like that. I don't have the room to do it.

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He does. This guy, and this is not his living room. This is his studio. He goes, this guy's got an entire house filled with studios. He's got like four or five different studios. The guy's running, the guy's running like five different YouTube channels, all in Russian. And I don't even want to, it's none of my business, but I mean, I know what the amount, but he told him like what he's making.

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It's it's over the top. Like if you the amount of money these guys Russia. No, he's in Phuket, Thailand.

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It's like it's like a 30 minute flight from Bangkok. So and he's lives there. There's a large Russian population there. And he's got he's got a couple of houses. One house is his entire studio. He's like, you understand, the entire community is nothing but Russians. They speak, it's all Russian. So, but that guy, yeah, he's got in one house, he's, you know, multi, multi, multimillionaire.

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So he, you can imagine what you can do with that kind of money. And he's hugely popular. He's got five different channels.

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In Russia. Oh, it's all Russian. That's what I was asking. Yeah, this is the first time he's ever done an English interview. He doesn't like his English. He's upset. He's like, he wants his English to get better. I felt his English was very good. I didn't even notice that he didn't speak good. It's obvious it's not his first language, but it's pretty damn good. Like, it's pretty good.

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You know, but you feel, you know, obviously you feel uncomfortable in speaking another language if you don't feel fluent.

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In rubles. Wow.

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He said he pays all his guys in... Boziak said he pays all his guys in rubles. He said, which is better than playing them in dollars.

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But it's a quality... Like Boziak said, this guy, the quality of this guy's... He said, this is like going to a Hollywood studio. He said, every camera is, you can look at it and be like, dear God, that's like a movie quality camera. If you've ever seen them like the cameras now that, you know, they don't have these big cameras. They're still there. They're compact.

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We're going to get nothing. I'll probably get more by saying, eh, you're better off watching something else. It's just a bunch of talk. You know, I got a better chance of you viewing to see that kind of funny comment then. Absolutely, bro. Check out my channel. No. I feel like we're past that.

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They're not very large, but you look at them and they're, they're, they're called, they're like, they've, they've, it's a design called red. Red cameras. They've got... You look at these things and they don't have little tiny... I was just going to say, they don't have little tiny lenses. They've got massive lenses. They've got... They can... They could take...

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They can zoom in on anything and crop out anything you want, even though it's really a huge picture. They can zoom right in on you, and you'd think the camera was right here. Like, I mean, they're just over the top. And he said that's what this guy got. He's a super quality operation that he's running. Wow. I hate him already. Yes. But you know what I'm saying?

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Like that he, he obviously started small, you know, it's like you start small and you wait and then one day you turn around and it's blowing up. You've got five channels making rubles. Did I cut you off?

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Have you seen this? Six? Yeah, so we have a Spanish channel.

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No, come on, I'm talking too much. Hold on, look.

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It's not? No.

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That's horrible. How many subscribers? 69 or 8. Yeah, not doing great. I wonder if we need them to switch it to Russian.

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Because Russians, listen, Russians love criminals. You know? Especially fraudulent. And we love Russians. Especially fraudulent criminals. Right. You know? I wonder. Nein! We could fly out to Thailand. Do an interview with that guy. Do an interview with that guy. Bet Boziak could get me on his channel. And if we had a Russian channel set up, maybe try and conscript some of his subscribers.

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That was it. Six minutes of the podcast right there.

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Baby, are you ready to take a 30-hour plane flight?

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Did you imagine?

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It wasn't even 30. It was multiple plane rides. It was like 12 hours in this plane ride, seven hours in this one. Yeah, it was like four or five plane rides. Imagine. That's brutal. Yeah, that is.

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You're going to say you take a Xanax and get on there.

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Can we talk about what's just happening to me and my eyeballs? Walk back to my cell. I can never understand. You want to do game plans? Do either one of you have a game plan? Oh, absolutely.

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And you're not getting any of this in that?

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Before I get to.

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Zach's? In the... In the wide? Yeah. No, it's zoomed in. Ah, it's some good lighting, right? That's some good... Like, he's barely... It is. I just thought for sure, like... No, it's the lens.

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You almost slipped out.

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We've never really gotten the righteous indignation that they would dare accuse a serial career fraudster of tax fraud. I don't believe it.

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I don't know. Guy hated you though, right?

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And charge them. I can fuck up their case. I can charge them and fuck up their cases.

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I guess it is... Okay, that's fine. I moved it. I thought it's got to be in the anyway. Good shots. Thank you. Good shot.

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Get on the ground.

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It's funny, we'd be walking the track at the low, which was close to the pin. Yes. Way closer to the pin than it is to the medium. And you'd be walking around and you'd hear... And then you hear, you're walking the track going, holy shit. You know, you'd hear the, get on the ground, get on the ground. You will be fired upon. Boom.

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And you'd hear, and I would remember we'd be walking the track and I'd be like, boy, I'm glad I'm not over there.

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That was bad over there. Thank God we're in the low.

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No, it was like get on the ground. Yeah, they were yelling it out of the thing.

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Nah, you went to the low. It wasn't.

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This is the intro.

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Yeah, it was basically the same thing. They said... we're not, you're not going to have a problem here unless you have a problem with the indigenous population. And I was like, chose. You got a lot of chose here, don't you?

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He's like, don't bother him. Don't, you know, he's like, follow the rules. And he said it the best I've ever heard. He explained the law the best I've ever heard it. He said, let me explain. He goes, let me explain. He said, at the pen, he said, the simplest way to put it, how it works here is this. He said, at the pens, he said, at the pen, we're trying to keep the inmates from stabbing us.

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He goes, at the medium, we're trying to keep the inmates from stabbing each other. He goes, at the low, we're trying to keep the inmates following the rules. He goes, follow the rules and you'll be fine. I said, okay, I'm good.

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No, he had already said that. As long as you don't have a problem with... He said, you're going to be fine as long as you don't have a problem with the indigenous population, which is here. And I said, oh, I said, that's right. You got a bunch of Joes, right?

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is I would say, and because Jess says this all the time, she says like, every time we go out, somebody recognizes you. And I always think that's not true because people don't say anything. But Jess says, no, no, you don't see it. We'll be standing there waiting and I'll see people hit each other and be like that.

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Yeah. Well, because you said indigenous population.

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It was a guy from SIS. And it was me. And it was a little room. They had everybody walk in. They pulled you out. You walked in, stood there. There's a guy in the hallway. I mean, there's two or three inmates that are in the hallway or they're locked up in that little room. They...

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little cell they had but yeah i said chose he knows you know they would say the cops would say the cops at the low would call the inmates by their nicknames they'd be like hey star get over here he'd walk over yeah you big dick come here yeah hey Gordo.

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Do you remember Wee-Wee? I remember Wee-Wee. There was a guy named Wee-Wee at the medium.

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There was a wee-wee and a doo-doo. Doo-doo was the shit.

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Are you saying Easy Dick? Is he out? Is he still in? I hesitate to say this. How did he get his name?

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You're off. We're already off on the 19th.

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Yeah, lefty or whatever your ailment is. Can't get. The Shire. Fuckers used to fucking cook. Cook would actually go and write the Shire, you know, from The Hobbit. Yes. And so me and another guy were in a cell and we were both short and they would write the Shire and put it on tape. And so you'd come walking by and it'd say the Shire on it.

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So 2025 to me represents not...

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if i could reach that thing take it down but it's so fucking high um oh my god i remember i got one of the first mp3 players remember then when the mp3 players came out i don't think i was in for that just not the fifth now i remember when the computers we were there when they first came out with the email and the computer that's right but i went from what but that was at the medium i went from the medium to the low they already had computers

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They did? Yeah. When I went from the medium to the low, boom, they had computers.

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You got it taken away? Yes.

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Can they take both?

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No. No. No, we didn't get tablets.

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Yeah, they're doing them now. These inmates now, they got it easy.

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Yeah. Yes.

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That's what's crazy. Yeah, they talked about it the whole time I was there. They were going to do it. They were trying to figure out how to do it so that you could basically go to like a little, they'd have like a little portable mobile home because they were afraid guys would be in the background. So they're going to have kind of like a computer set up for visits only.

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It would have required an investment on the part of the prison, which you know they don't want to do.

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Right, but the prison has to buy...

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like a little mobile well maybe for the men i don't i don't know yeah i'm saying they have it in the jail they have it in the jail yeah but they have their own area already i'm saying if they were to implement that someplace if they were to implement that somewhere in let's say coleman like the low they would have to have a separate facility for that so they got to get a mobile home they got to get it into the compound they have to drop it off they have to because they're afraid that if you're if they did it because they could do it in the they could do it in the in the unit

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Right, so you could sit there like this. The problem is now you've got some guys. Guys are walking around behind you. They can walk in and be like, hey, what's up?

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You want to hear something funny?

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Hey, what's up?

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I was in Atlanta city detention center and we were playing. I think I've told you this where I, we, you know, you play chess, right? These two guys, remember this guy, Flacco was playing with this, this black guy and the black guy was, they, they called them, they called them a bunny hop. And he had the word, he had the tattoo bunny hop. And I asked him, why did they call you bunny hop?

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He said, oh, because of my tattoo. I said, well, why did you have a tattoo? I mean, he goes, oh, because when I was a little kid, I was really good at the bunny hop. So it was my nickname growing up. And I'm like, they've always called, yeah, my mom called me bunny hop. And so I got it tattooed on my neck. So it was my nickname. I was like, okay, well, not the greatest thing, but that's fine.

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So bunny hop and flocco are playing chess. Bunny hop is talking shit. Blocko gets frustrated and pulls out or grabs a pin and stabs Bunnyhop a few times. So he's stabbing him and they get into this fight and they're fighting. I remember it seemed like they were fighting along the wall.

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Like they're rolling along, pushing each other against the wall, hitting each other, and they're going down, down, down. And guys are gathering around, and I jumped up, and I ran out there and heard everybody yelling. And I ran out there, and I screamed.

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And I screamed enough, and they both kind of, they both, oh, I'm sorry. A couple of Spanish guys jumped in and were starting to beat up, also beat up Bunny Hop. And so I run up and that's when I scream, enough, that's enough, really loud. And they stopped. They all stopped and turned around and looked at me. And I remember for a split second, I thought, wow, these guys really respect me.

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And I'm sitting there and as I kind of turn around, I'm looking for the guard. There's a guy who's like a black guy who's six foot six tall.

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standing there butt ass naked he there was fighting and he got out of the shower so i'm standing there i ain't gonna miss it and he's standing right there he's like he's also clenched up like fist like like and so you know obviously that i screamed they turned around and saw him and then just stopped and they didn't respect me it wasn't it wasn't hey it was a six foot black guy cox put his foot down

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and this guy turned around and listen like it was like I like like looked up and went and thought I didn't need to see that I didn't need to see that I'm glad you guys stopped right I walked off he's standing in a puddle of soap and water and suds and

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dick hanging and then by that point the cops come running in everybody in there locked down locked down i'm already depressed walking back for many many reasons can we talk about what just happened yeah me and my eyeballs walk back to myself i can never unsee that all right that's enough I had to give myself a little, you know, shower versus grower speech laying in the cell.

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You know, stole me nothing. You never got along with that guy anymore. I told that story like the next day when they let us out. I told the story.

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Did you know him? No, no. Of course, there was only 150 guys in that. So I knew who he was. But you didn't know. They dated. They didn't call him Buddy Hop. But I told the story to him.

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Long Jump. I told him the story that I thought they stopped because they were. And he said he fucking laughed.

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When I first got locked up, six, I couldn't use the phone. Like the first time I walked over to try and pick up the phone and call somebody, I had a guy come up to me. A black guy came up to me after I'm trying to dial. I'm trying to figure out how to use the phone. He walks up. He was, he came up and goes, um, try to call your peeps. I go, what? Your peeps, man. Call your peeps. I'm sorry.

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Oh, okay. Well, I thought you meant buy one for you. Oh, yeah.

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Charlie Peeps, man. I'm sorry. And a white guy came over who had horns tattooed on his head.

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He had all the tats and everything, but I never would see somebody with the horns. That's why he got them. So he came up and he said, he goes, you people. And I go, my people? And he goes, your family, you're trying to call it. He's saying, are you trying to call your family? And he goes, I got this. And he goes, I, and he walked off and I realized like, Oh my God, he's speaking English.

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And I remember in that moment, I thought you're in a place where people that are speaking, you can't understand the people that are speaking English. And that guy was trying to help me. I just couldn't even let him help me because I couldn't understand what he was saying. So this guy helped me. I made the phone call. Anyway, fast forward. Hmm.

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He's on your side. So three years later, I'm in line. And these two guys are talking in front of me. And one guy goes, man, how you fall? And he goes, shit, fucked up, you know what I'm saying? And I went, he goes, over a dove and two stacks. He goes, you know what I'm saying? And I thought, I do know what he's saying. I know exactly what you're saying.

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Over a fucking, over a key and $2,000, another black guy snitched on you. And I thought, you have to get out of here. You're graduating.

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This is horrible. I know what a dove is. I know what a stack is. I know what, you know. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. I know exactly what he's saying. I wouldn't have known what any of that was two, three years earlier. I had no idea what you're talking about.

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That's what I'm thinking. The boy fucking told on him. Get the fuck out of here.

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Dig out of here with a spoon like Andy Dufresne. That's what you need to do.

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You gotta pick up your daughter? No. Oh. I just gotta leave. I've just done my day off. I don't need this. I need to go sleep.

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Hey, you guys, I appreciate you watching. Do me a favor, hit the subscribe button so you get notified of videos like this. Also, do me a favor and go to Six's YouTube channel. We're going to put the link in the description box. You just click on it, go straight over there and subscribe to his channel. Also, please go in the description box and click on the link for Zach's channel.

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Zach is going to start actually... Maybe he's going to start putting out some content. He says he's going to do one a week. We'll see. He's going to do one a week. Six is already doing one a week. So check out their channel. Subscribe. Really appreciate you guys watching. Also, please consider joining our Patreon. We put Patreon exclusive content. As a matter of fact.

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There's probably 20, 30 minutes of a conversation that we had here that will go on Patreon. Plus we have uncensored versions of these podcasts on Patreon. So once again, I really appreciate you guys watching. Thank you very much. See ya.

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It's not like you set the bar very high.

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And then five minutes into it, boop. Can she drive? Yeah, she can drive. Why don't she just drop you off in the morning? You spend all day there. He's in Temple Terrace. Yeah, but she can drive the car to go to school. Then she can pick you up.

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and they all sit there on their phone, but I'm not, I'm sitting there, you know, I'm do-do-do, or I'm in my phone, not even paying attention, and she's like... Are you wearing the same black shirt? Pretty much, I have like 20 of these. Because I can see... Mentally, I can see you everywhere in that same black shirt. He feels he has to, but...

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Oh, okay. I don't know where her school is.

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I was going to say, that's what Bosiacs, they get around in those.

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They have the little mopeds. You're supposed to jump on the back. Some guy pulls up and goes, and you jump on the back. And Bosiac's like, yeah, I'm not.

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Is there a gym around here?

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It's a matter of time before you...

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I don't have a car. You could hop in your Uber. Even if I get into an Uber accident, I'm not going to fucking get hurt. I'm not going to get hurt the way you're going to get hurt.

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We're in the middle of a podcast. I want to hear what you guys think about this video. $350 an hour? $350 an hour.

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Jess won't let me wear the one that has my picture on it. He's got different occasions. I'm Matt Cox. Do you see the picture I sent you? I have them. So, but we went to, so I would say it is, it's not that much, but it's 50% of the time when I leave, somebody does say something to me. So we went on New Year's Eve. We went to, Christmas Eve or... Oh, yeah, you're right. Sorry, Christmas Eve.

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I don't think you appreciate You're seeing it live. I did not see that. It's on there.

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Just hold it and there's a reaction. It was December 23rd.

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Look, Isaac, this is him.

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It was one. I don't hit you with typically hit you with maybe one, maybe two. I don't typically do three or four in a day. Cause I know the likelihood you're going to even watch them.

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Well, I may have been excessive. I got, I got it.

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And Trump's playing with kittens or something.

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Well, it's not like I'm trying to do anything to him. I just have a couple of questions.

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I do have a full-time job. And this has become another sort of full-time job.

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That's exactly what I need.

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I'm going to do it. Yeah.

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For sure. Yeah.

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No, this was great. This was like really an interesting conversation and a very unique interview. So.

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What other, do you have any, any other services that are.

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Um, what about like, like, uh, credit, uh, dispute letters? You know, what if you've got bad credit or can it take, can it do those that help fix your credit or help get things taken off your credit?

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Do you have any stories or anything of any specific cases or any more of anything interesting that, I don't even know what I'm trying to say, any interesting cases that you've handled?

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Yeah, I was going to say, this was a while ago. This was probably 20 years ago. I remember we went to a hotel in Puerto Rico, my wife and I at the time. And several things happened. It was a really nice hotel, but several things happened. Every time I would enter the hotel, we would get stopped and asked for our key.

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And like the third day I said, why do you guys keep doing, you keep like, it's first of all, it's the same guy. I was like, why do you keep doing this? Yes. And he said, well, there's a nightclub upstairs and people use the elevator here when they should go around. So we checked the keys. We checked to make sure you have your, you know, your car, your room. Yeah. Yeah.

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I remember going like, it was my wife and I were dressed like tourists. We had a baby with us. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, we're not going to the club with the baby. So that happened. And another thing happened was a staff member walked into our room one morning at like 730 in the morning, like just knocked on the door, opened the door and walked in.

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And we were like, hey, hey, what are you doing? And they were like, oh, and the guy had a drill. They were fixing something. And we were like, whoa, whoa, whoa. And he he left. And there was one other issue.

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I remember I went back to my office and I wrote a letter when I got back from vacation, I wrote a letter and they sent us like five days, you know, four nights, you know, five days and four nights for free. Um, and, and I, I, it was another time that like my son had thrown his, there was used to be game boys. He threw a game boy down on the ground. He was like three and it broke.

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And I just mailed it back to the company with a letter saying, We love your product. And I said exactly what happened. Admittedly, my son threw this on the ground. Is there any way I could pay to have it fixed? Now I know they can't fix it. Instead, they sent us a brand new one with a bunch of games. So sometimes just responding. In a way, it gets you something because nobody responds.

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I mean, nobody writes letters.

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automating with do not pay yeah it's funny i had a so i have a we had a a couple that were friends and my wife at the time had told them oh matt wrote a letter and got us whatever four nights five days whatever and so she ended up writing a letter whatever weeks later for for an issue and they came back and they were like they just gave her an apology And she was like, I don't understand.

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Right. Well, let's go back to the beginning. Like, obviously, you weren't born in San Francisco.

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I wrote them that nothing happened. I go, what did you say? I told them that the hotel was horrible. I told them that I would never stay there again. I told them, and I was like, whoa, whoa, you didn't give them an out. You didn't give them an opportunity to correct the situation. You just told them you're horrible. You'll never use them again.

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I said, I asked them, is there any way for us to rectify this? We love your hotel. We stay there all the time. Our family stay there. So I structured it to give them an out. She didn't give them an out.

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So how do you see this scaling? I mean, at what rate is there a ceiling to it? How is your growth, I guess, for the company?

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Right. What about politicians? Do you have anything that will write your local politician?

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Okay. What's one of the newest services?

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How are you advertising this?

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So you're saying social, you know, you do social media, but I mean, I saw your Instagram. Do you have a TikTok or?

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Do you do all the advertising or do you have anyone else do it also?

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Yeah. I would love to hear how, okay.

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So my fear is that that's probably more technical than high level.

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I was going to say, I mean, my my wife's daughter has like will talk to like it's a friend and go like first time she discovered this app. She went like all day. Yeah. When I was growing up, we would joke that like you only had like online friends. You had these Facebook friends that you never ever met. My day too.

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I have a buddy who just...

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sent me a he had um he had chat gpt write uh an article about me just by stuff it found on the on the internet read this whole article and i have a i have a friend that uses it all the time to do to write stuff and he'll go through and as he's proofreading it he'll alter little bits and pieces but it is amazing it's amazing that the responses and um well anyway you know all this anyway

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In my case, that is true.

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I'm not sure it would just say these Yeah, well like there's stuff that it will pull, you know, the sources it's pulling from yes a Wikipedia for example, you know, there are things on Wikipedia about me and

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that aren't true, that it mentioned, or it would say things like, you know, there was a, somebody had said something about like I was on the FBI's, like I was number one on the FBI's most wanted list and that wasn't true. And then that showed up.

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Yeah, I can't get Wikipedia. I've actually got the guy who has my Wikipedia page, you know, who posted it. I've argued with him and argued with him. And he's I remember at one point I said, look, bro, you know, this is not true. Like what he said. Yeah. And listen, most of it is true. But there's a few things I'm like, I'm just trying to be accurate. And he said, remember, he came back.

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He said, Matt Cox is not an expert on Matt Cox. I thought, let's try to be an expert. I'm just basing it on the facts. But yeah, it's difficult.

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Right. Right. Yeah. I'm very interested in the, the credit aspect of it. Um, for instance, there's, you know, um, my wife actually has a family member that has some credit issues and I was thinking about writing some letters, you know, to try and get some medical collections taken off of her credit.

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It's funny. I moved out of an apartment like a year and a half ago. When I moved out, they wanted to keep my deposit. And listen, I left that apartment as clean as when I moved in it, vacuumed it, cleaned the carpets, painted. You put stuff in the walls, patched and painted the walls. And they had a whole list of things that they said they had to do. Luckily, I took all these photos.

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But the big thing was I just started arguing with them. back and forth back and forth and I wore them down and they ended up it was a it was a it was like a $300 deposit they ended up keeping like $42 or something ridiculous but they were keeping that when it started off they said I owe them $50 yeah it's um

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So I have a question. When people sign up for the subscription, do they have to pay like a year in advance or is it just month to month?

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Two months in advance?

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And I really appreciate you guys watching. See ya. We're going to be going over. This is real. I didn't think this through. Scams we admire. Like, I'm trying to be like a clean-cut guy.

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Jess has killed just about every animal there is in Florida. She's butchered them. She can cut them open, take out the guts, skin them, and put all the good stuff in a freezer and then eat it. She's already told me they'll never find your body. She's like, I mean, I get it. There are girls that are cute. They flirt with you. They send you messages. And I get it. And that's great.

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Right. Well, okay. So, I mean, in England, like, I mean, were you, are you an only child? Are your parents in the law, you know, involved in law work? Are they lawyers? Are they in the tech industry?

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But I'm just letting you know, they'll never find your body. I didn't even have to follow up on that. I don't know. What does that mean? I just knew it was ominous.

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Listen, she's got me so scared. When women will text me, they'll hit you up on Instagram or whatever. Hey, how's it going? Wow, you're amazing. Listen, within the first sentence or two, it's like, yeah, my wife thinks so. Just in case it's a plant. In case she's trying to go around like, hey, I need you to send something to Matt. I'm like, yeah, you're not suckering up.

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That'll keep you alive.

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Now I'm not falling for it. Yeah. Good times. Yeah. So what so what what is the scam? What is a scam? Because there's no one scam now. But is there a scam or what scams?

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Obvious.

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So that security kind of hangs out and kind of watches her.

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That's when you know you've turned a corner.

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When you start using the legal term.

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Scheme really isn't illegal, by the way, the term scheme.

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So does it reflect? I think, whatever, they're synonyms. Anyway, whatever, roughly.

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out there so so so that a scam a scam is a group effort like hey i got an idea okay so what what what happened i disagree but what happened what what i don't understand so you that's the scam you admire the one where they're shoplifting or just you admire the fact that they drew law enforcement away yes

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Right. And what's so funny is that they're not in any jeopardy at all.

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You're saying she really does steal stuff? Yeah.

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and they get caught or she she gets stopped at the register she makes it look like i was gonna say like to me to me like in front of them you could i like with the camera i would kind of show myself like putting stuff in a bag and then move to a spot and then take the stuff out of the bag oh do you like to me you get up to the cash register and then they come and they grab you oh no oh empty your bag and you'd empty the bag you'd be like what they'd be like holy jesus like i

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Right. And then they'd have to let you go. It's like, what are you talking? Oh, yeah, yeah. No, I did put a skirt. I did put the skirt in there. And then I realized, oh, wait a second. This looks bad. I took it out. And then I thought, well, I don't even want this. So I just left it on the counter. It's over there. But I was going to say, what that reminds me of is the...

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You know the Romanian wall? It was called the Romanian wall where they had... There was people from Romania. Or the gypsy wall, they called it too. So people would go into like... And they had video of 7-Elevens and stuff where people would... There would be like six or eight people would come in

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in a group, and so the person at the counter, let's say a 7-Eleven, would look and see this group coming in, and they create almost like a wall. They're just kind of bundled together. And somebody else would walk in, crouch down, and walk in behind them. So the camera, you know, sees them. But the other camera sees the person. But this guy's not watching the camera. He's watching these people.

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So they come in and then they kind of move through the store. They have kind of a direction where they're kind of walking and moving. And the one guy, somebody says, hey, something to the cashier. And he looks over here. And the person who's bent down, who he doesn't even know is in the store, kind of like moves towards the cash register. He's right there.

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And so as these guys are talking, he's moving around the cash register and literally they have videos of these guys where the guy will be, he'll go behind the cash register with the guy and like go into and steal like all kinds of stuff that's back there that's hidden while these guys are loud and they're playing music and they're talking and banging stuff and doing this and he's kind of just watching and watching.

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Steal stuff, go back, then they pull the wall back together and the guy walks out with them. And all they've bought is, like, a stick of gum. And he walks out with, you know, whatever, hundreds of dollars of cartons of cigarettes. Or there have been times where they've gone into the safe. There have been times where they said, like, they took a gun. They got a gun.

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And then later they'd look at the camera and they'd be like, oh, my God. What?

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They have to practice, right? If you watch the videos on YouTube and stuff, you're just going... This is nuts. You're almost like, how could he not? And you're like, okay, I get it. But from his perspective, he's not seeing it. He's only seeing these groups of people. And then once the guy gets under the counter, he's done.

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He would have to turn around and start looking at the videos that are shooting from the other way. And who's doing that? He's trying to see if these guys are stealing. And they are. They're not.

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Yeah. Unbelievable. That reminds me. So that's what I'm saying. It's the same kind of thing. Right. You're just drawing their attention.

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Yeah. Do you remember... I shouldn't even say this. Do you remember when we were talking about...

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No, no. I'm thinking when we were locked up and we were talking about the identity theft scam, where it was like, what if someone stole somebody's identity? Like, I steal your identity.

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Right.

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which given that you're a man of color would be difficult. But let's assume I steal your identity. I get a driver's license in your name. I run up all your credit cards. I then borrow money against your house, the whole thing. But I happen to have LifeLock. Do you remember this? So this was what we used to joke about.

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And then when suddenly you start getting the credit cards, the whole thing, like I would do that because I'm not worried about him. The worst problem would be that the person you stole their identity finds out and calls the police. But I know he's not going to call. What's going to happen is once the first credit cards start showing up, you then – Call the police. Hey, look, I got an issue, man.

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I got like a $40,000 credit card bill. Someone took my credit card. You call your credit card company. You do this. And then more bills start showing up. You start going, oh, whoa, well, I need somebody to come out of here. Like, I got like $100,000 in credit card debt. Somebody stole my credit cards. No, I don't know. I have them on me.

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Or maybe I lost my wallet, but I didn't give anybody my PIN numbers. Like, this is ridiculous.

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And so you do all that. You run it all up. Then you find out maybe there's a mortgage on their house or somebody took out a $50,000 personal loan in your name. You're like, oh my God. So we were talking about like, you run it up to a couple, two, $300,000. Like it's insane. You're calling the police.

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But the interesting thing about that was that what we were saying, well, what you were saying really was you were like, But I know what's going on because I can call the police and say, well, do you have any leads? Well, what's happening? Well, what happened? And the police would be like, look, we're doing it. We found this. We found this. There was a P.O. box that was opened.

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Right. Okay, so how did you end up at Stanford?

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Well, who opened the P.O. box? We can't find the person that opened the P.O. So you're going through the whole thing or it was an abandoned house. It's actually in your neighborhood. What? But you would know because at some point they would say, look, we're – We're just out of option. We don't know what to do. And you're also involved because the credit card people are contacting you. Right.

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So at some point, Even if there was a prosecution, the worst that could happen is you were saying you could say, look, I'm not going to participate in that prosecution. I got my money back. The credit card companies paid the money back. And we got the thing with the mortgage taken care of. And I don't want any trouble with you.

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I don't know who you arrested, but I don't want any trouble with that person. And then being the person, if they did end up getting arrested, I could then say, man, I'm going to trial.

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They'd be like, Jesus. Knowing when the prosecutor comes in and says, oh, listen, this guy is going to show up. He's going to testify. He'd be like, is he? I can't wait to see him. We had this whole thing laid out.

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Right.

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And the other one was the the the identity theft, the life lock, was that you could also claim against life lock to say. You could sue for allowing all that to happen. Right. But when we were locked up, you and I thought, and I know differently now, but we thought, remember they say up to a million dollars. It was a million dollars in legal fees that they would pay to fix it.

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We were thinking that that was like insurance that they would, Right. Like they would pay off your credit cards or they would. But they won't. It's just it's just they would just call and file the claims for you, which would still be good because because you could still say they could do all that for you.

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LifeLock and HomeTitleLock, they will hire an attorney that will file all the paperwork to reinstate your credit cards, get the balances dropped. I mean, now HomeTitleLock only does it for mortgages. LifeLock only does it for identity theft.

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So if you had both of them, which you probably have to have. Yeah. But you could really insure yourself completely against the whole thing. Yep. But what we were when we were locked up, we were thinking they would pay you, but they won't pay you. No, no, no. And, you know, it's in the thing is, too, it's like it's a service. It's not insurance because they just don't insure you.

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Right.

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So but they will pay for the fees, which honestly is the biggest hurdle. If something happens like. Right. You're trying to like you got to like a 40, 50 hour a week job and you're driving back and forth. Like, when do you have time to write all those letters and try and fix all this? You know, if you're a real victim, if you're really our victim, like that's a problem.

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Like you got to write letters. You got to. You send emails. You have to make phone calls like, man, I'm working till five or six o'clock. I don't even get home till 630.

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Right.

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Then my kids are screaming. I got to make dinner. I got, you know, like, when are you calling anybody? You got to start taking days off work to try and fix it. Yeah. Yeah. No.

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I'm sorry. That's so wrong. It is.

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I was going to say, what's funny is people don't realize you can open a corporation and then you can open up a DBA or a corporation similar. You could say, let's say there's this drink, Ghost Energy drink. Then you could open up a corporation that says that's Ghost... Distributor. Yeah, Ghost Distributor, Ghost Productions, Ghost Energy. Ghost Energy drink two. Yes. Whatever. It's like...

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you know, of Tampa Bay, you know, of Florida or whatever. You just add anything onto it that changes it subtly. And then the next thing you know, you know, you can go open up a bank account in that name and deposit checks, you know, or any variation of that name because the banks just don't check.

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Yeah, I used to have a company, you know, Consortium Financial Services. They would write Consortium Mortgage. This is people paying me.

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They'd send me, oh, Consortium Mortgage, Consortium Bank, Consortium whatever, you know, home loans. It's like it's Consortium Financial Services. Sometimes it would just be Consortium.

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Okay. So you applied for Stanford. What was your specific goal in going to Stanford?

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You just deposit them, deposit them. The bank never said, oh, wait a second. This is an issue.

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Yeah, we did that whole, we did a whole, that video got a lot of views. That's the Kellogg video.

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$7 million Kellogg's game. Yeah. Selling, no, stealing $7 million from Kellogg's. Yes. That just sounds horrible. Yeah, yeah. That got like 70,000 views. Wow. That's not bad for my channel. And that was like a year ago. That was a year ago. It must have been just before. Yes, right. The incident. Yes.

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Yeah, you're not doing it. You know what's so funny is my mindset back then, it was never going to be over. I used to always say, man, if I just got a few million dollars, if I got a few million dollars, I would have said, that was easy.

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No, it was. It was the whole... just like that stupid thing i was just making it's that quote it's the there's there's nothing there's just no feeling in the world like walking in a bank handing them a fake id and some fake documents and then having them hand you a check for 250 000 and thank you for ripping them off like i mean that's just insane yes and that feeling you're like

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This is insane, right? I'm going to walk in there. Or even telling you what a great customer you've been. I borrowed like a couple hundred thousand dollars one time. And I always say this because I had a guy who read my book who came back and was like, you said you borrowed a couple hundred thousand dollars. In the book, it says you borrowed $120,000. It was just like, whatever.

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I don't remember what it was. $150,000, $200,000, whatever it was. I had borrowed it in the name of a fake person. It was a real person. It was a homeless guy. So I borrowed that money. And he had perfect credit.

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Right.

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Got a check for, let's say, $150,000. Went and deposited it in my bank. And immediately, as soon as I did it, the person goes, okay, thank you. And they went, oh, you've been approved for a $30,000 credit card. And I went, you mean pre-approved? She goes, no, you've been approved. Of course I've been approved. I just deposited a check for $150,000 in cash. I mean, $150,000 into my account.

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And I do have perfect credit. You know, that guy had perfect credit. And she said, all you have to do is tell me you want the card and we'll have it overnighted to you. And I went, yes, I do.

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See, the problem is that's how you and I look at it, as a free 30 grand. To them, they're like, it's a credit line. You're like, no, no, no. That's not the way this works. I promise you, it's free. There's no payments getting made.

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I got a sports car. I got a hot girlfriend.

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Going on some vacations. Right up until they put them cuffs on me. Then it's unfree.

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You're good.

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Come on, Albert.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It's fun looking back on it. At the time, it's not fun.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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immediately i just i shouldn't have done none of that stuff yeah immediately regret every single thing and then you know but then you get out and six months go by and you're like listen i just heard

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Okay. And you got to Stanford, you started this. When did you actually turn it into a company? I mean, I understand you're saying it slowly took effect, but when did you actually, did you graduate Stanford?

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It's just the right thing to do.

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Apparently it doesn't exist.

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No, I'm saying based on what your guy was doing.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, I don't watch a lot of TV though.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I don't know why I just pictured Christy's. I just pictured a bunch of corporate fat cats on a stage. You should have seen the episode, bro. Behind the auctioneer at Christy's. And in the crowd, it's nothing but hippies. Yeah.

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$300,000.

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There's a band. The monkeys are playing in the background.

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Exactly.

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At three and a half years, you're two semesters away. No, you're like a semester away.

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Trying to clean up the planet.

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So, okay, so he told the EPA and?

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No, I was thinking. I was just thinking. I was thinking during the Civil War, you know, they were conscripting people, right? So either you had to show up or one of your family, right? Or you could say, hey, I can't do it. I want it. You know, fellas, I want to. I'm with you. I can't be with you. I got to do the farm. I got to do the whole thing. But I've got my slave, John. He can go for me.

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And they would say, okay, well, put your mark here, John. And John would put his mark. And he'd be in the army. I thought, what if you were super rich and you're going to jail and you were able to say, listen, I know I got four years. I know I got three years. I can't go. but Matt will do my time for me. And then I have to compensate Matt to do my time. Like... Bro.

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You know, I... I would... I'm ready to sign up. Like, I'll go do... What kind of... First, in the custody level, like, oh, no, you're going to a pen. Oh. Matt, how much for the pen? Listen, pen's $150,000 a year, $200,000 a year. And they paid it. I'll do four years for you, but it's going to be a million dollars up front in my lawyers. Could you imagine if you could negotiate that?

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And in a way, I think I know what you're going to say. In a way, people do. You can. I'll tell you an incident that I know about, but go ahead.

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I mean like if there was actually a system.

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Legal, capitalized, look, you've got to do this much time. You have to give us this much time. I say, listen, I'm not going to, but I've paid this service, and they're going to provide someone that will do that time for me. And they go, okay, do you have the paperwork? Do you have an SS-12 form? Yes. Do you have a 722 form? Yes. Did he sign? Do I need your driver's license?

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Oh, I got my driver's license. Like, okay, boom, and he goes in for you. Makes me think of Palmer. Right. There are people that will do that. Yeah. And here's an example of that, a real-world example. We used to call this guy, they were calling him the Mexican Tony Soprano. There was a cartel member in Atlanta that had gotten like 15 or 20 years, right? Like he's got like seven lawyers.

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And this was in Atlanta, in Atlanta City Detention Center, right? ACDC. Where you would meet with your lawyer in Atlanta. In the unit, they would walk in into a room, and it was like a glass room, like there was a glass wall. And, well, you know, glass, you know, it's the metal piping with the thing.

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You'd walk in there with your lawyer or whoever, and they'd close the door, and you'd sit there and have a conversation. Crews, like five, six lawyers showed up. Every time I see this guy, he had tons of money.

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His celly, just to let you, I'm just saying, this is the kind of guy he was, you know, his celly was a black guy that was complaining because his baby's mama's car had broke down and it just blew like the engine blew. Right. And he went, he goes, yeah, he said, give me your address. I'll get her another car. Somebody drop a car off. And he goes, no, man, you don't understand.

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He's like, no, I understand. She needs a car. He's like, are you serious? He said, yeah, man, yeah. This is a guy that every time commissary came, like his bag was full and three other guys' bags were full that he was buying.

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Right. So meaning he's putting money on other people's commissary accounts to buy him stuff and they get 20%.

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Right.

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So what he did was, oh, by the way, that guy, like when that whole thing happened, I remember like three days later, Um, he, he got a phone with his girlfriend and said, you're not gonna believe this. We were sitting there. I remember we were playing chess or something. Oh, this is a true story. Oh, it's true. The black guy came up and he, and he was looking for his celly, right?

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His celly was, I forget. He had been moved for medical. He was coming back. He was like, bro, remember he said he was gonna get a car. He said, Mike, I got a phone two hours ago. Some guy showed up with like a, it wasn't a brand new car. It was like a five-year-old, like, you know, Acura. He's like, I mean, things got like 30,000 miles on it. He just gave it to her.

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He signed over the title and everything. We were like, damn, like Tony did that? He was like, yeah. You know, he had a name that was, you know. Definitely Scream Mafia. Yeah, no, I mean, they called him Tony. He was the Tony Soprano of, but no, he had a Mexican, a Spanish name that was difficult. You know, it wasn't something like Jesus. It was a hard one.

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So, and anyway, so what happened was, I remember too, watching my Dateline episode with him. We were all sitting there watching the Dateline episode on me. And I was sitting there just shaking my hand. I kept looking over at him. He goes, you're a bad boy. You're a bad boy. So here's what he had done. He had paid a peasant, right, in Mexico to come over through the border.

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And told law enforcement who was there and how much and that he was coming and he had this much dope or whatever in the car. Gave him the type of car, the tag, everything. They saw him. They grabbed him. Boom. 5K1. Then he said, so the second, that was one he was doing. So now he doesn't, now he's already down to like 15 years or something. He was supposed to get like 25. He's down to 15.

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He had already arranged it. And he'd been in the jail doing this. He had arranged to have a guy. fly over and land at an airport, like a makeshift airport in Texas, and the DEA was going to grab him, and he was going to have X amount of pounds of pot, and that guy was going to... And I was like, how much time is it? He's like, oh, no. The one guy, he gets five. He got five years.

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We make sure he... My lawyer in Mexico makes sure that he has just enough to only get five years. And I take care of his family. The next guy was going to do 10. Like, guys are lining up to do his time for him so he could get his sentence reduced. Wow. Yeah, I was just like, you know, that was – listen, Atlanta was – right. But, I mean, that's the kind of money he had.

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There was a guy in Coleman that got – this was a guy who we're talking about. He's like one step, maybe one step below El Chapo when he was running things, right? Actually, the person who was running the Sinaloa cartel was El Chapo and El Mayo. Everybody always says El Chapo or El Mayo's low profile. He's really the guy that started the whole thing and brought in El Chapo.

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The point is, is that like one guy, there's one guy beneath him and the guy beneath him, that was the guy I was locked up in Coleman with. This is an AC. This is another guy. That guy had. Remember the old photo books you could buy? The old ones. You couldn't sell. I don't know about where you were, but in Coleman, they stopped selling the big ones. They were too big.

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You could only buy the little ones when I was there. But there were guys that still had the big ones. Huge ones. Yeah, exactly. They were three pictures across and three pictures down. Back when there were these things called photos that you could actually print out and they were actually photos. And he had books full of them.

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ended up expanding into different arenas as far as like fighting back. What are those?

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He'd done like three or four years and he still had a few more years to go. And this is the kind of guy that got caught on a conspiracy and got like a life sentence. But had worked it all the way down by giving up low-level guys that knew. Well, that was going to happen.

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Like he sets them up, like they're being set up on purpose and they're saying, okay, so you're going to load 300 pounds in the, in the trunk and I'm going to drive through here and they're going to, they're going to arrest me. Yes. And then it'll take a couple months for you to get sentenced to six months for you to get sentenced. And then you'll get five years.

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And then we've already got your lawyer that'll show up, make sure you're going to get five years. You're only got the, you only got the maximum amount to get five. You can't get more than five years. And you don't have any priors, no priors. You're going, you know, so. Anyway, this guy had done the same type of thing and he was going to a – he was at a low already and he was going to a camp.

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He had photos of him in Mexico where he had to do like so many years ago. He had done like two or three years in Mexico. It was insane, the photos he had. They were allowing him 10 days a month, you can have your family come and stay with you in the prison.

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America. Yeah, it was insane. Plus, you understand that so many days a month, you could have other people come in. He literally had prostitutes come in, and they're staying the night. They're walking him to the cell, staying the night. He's drinking Coors, and he's got...

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Well, I've met some guys that, trust me, there's not in the world, but there's three or four, there's probably, let's say there's five or six other countries that are really rough, but rough meaning, so the conditions are,

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It's like a city. I understand they're horrible, but in some ways they're horrible. But if you have money. Yeah. The freedom is. So in some ways it's like, what are you talking about? You're letting people bring them food. And yeah, they're allowed to bring so much food. They're allowed to bring so much. They're allowed to come see them and stay in the cell with them for three days straight.

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They're allowed. It was like, that's insane. And then, of course, but if you're poor and you go to Mexico, it's horrendous and you're sleeping in the hallways. So it depends on what, I guess, what type of a criminal you are and what your ability to produce or have money is. But I was going to say, when we're back to the scam, sorry. Well, I only had two.

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I didn't know if you... Oh, listen, the scams that I admire are like... You know, I do. This is where if you remove the victims, you know, I do admire like like Ponzi schemes, guys who do Ponzi schemes, which is really it's just they're just blatant liars, you know. But if you were to set up a Ponzi scheme, here's what bothers me about Ponzi schemes is.

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is that most Ponzi schemes, and I don't mean most, I mean like 99% of them, weren't set up as a scam. Like they were set up as a legitimate business that very quickly goes bad. Sometimes they go do great for six years, 10 years. Sometimes guys set them up and a year and a half later, they're like, wow, man, like I'm not good at this.

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you know where they set it up as a legitimate let's say i'm gonna in that you know of course the investors always get in trouble like it's it's a hedge fund they make a couple of that they have a bad quarter then they lie about it they oh i'll make it up next quarter then they have another bad quarter right They lie about it. They have another bad quarter. They lie about it.

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Then maybe they have a good quarter, but it's nowhere near good enough to recoup the losses they've had. Then they have another bad quarter. And they're just continuing to tell everybody they're doing well. And they just keep borrowing and borrowing. And before you know it, it's like, so, you know, how off are you? Well, you know, I've lost...

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five million dollars you know i am supposed to have 50 million in you know the coffers and you know and i don't you know i'm paying out this much money because i've lost this much money but i told people that i made 11 million dollars so wow so you're off by by 15 million dollars yeah um you know it's just and then it just keeps it spirals out of control and then they just try and maintain it as long as possible so

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If you remove the fact that the people that they're typically taking the money from are just regular people, the ability to do that and set it up and maintain it for a long period of time is amazing to me. That to me is...

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Madoff does – what bothers me about Madoff is, you know, like he did it in his name. Like he was just – he's just an idiot.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Grant Cardone's type of.

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I thought you were talking about two different things. He's not running a Ponzi. Well, he may be. I don't know.

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You know, a lot of times they typically – here's the thing I've noticed too. Like I've talked to a lot of – this guy, Red Bull, they said he ran a Ponzi scheme. It was a business opportunity scheme. But they're actually – it's like people know what a Ponzi scheme is, so a lot of times the newspapers simplify it.

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Does that make sense?

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Yeah. So, yeah, I hear what you're saying. You know, really, there's so many schemes that I'm just... I'm not impressed by as much as I'm just disappointed by. It's like you had something that was legitimate and you ruined it because you didn't do this one thing, you know? Right. I always thought that... Really, this was like a legit... That guy said it was legit. I don't know. The guy was...

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He basically was giving people a credit card. So it was like, hey, you give me $59, right? And I'll give you a credit card worth $300 and I'll report to the credit bureau. So it's a way to help clean up your credit. And then he gives you a catalog that you can buy from. Well, everything in the catalog is jacked up.

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You know, it's all like, it's, this is stuff he's getting from China for $15 and he's charging, you know, 150, $200. So everything you can buy is really just, it's horrible. Like you buy one thing and he's not out any money because he took in 50 bucks. It cost him $15. Even if you never make a payment, then it doesn't matter. He's not out of any money at all.

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And if you do make the payment, well, that's great because eventually he gets the $200 back. The point is that there was a guy in Coleman who had done that. And it was kind of like a business opportunity thing that he had just kind of set up.

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Right.

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The problem was he said, you know, I set it up. We started running with it. Started doing well. Started hiring people. People are calling. We're calling. We're getting people in. We're doing great numbers. He said, but then I turned around and he went to like Equifax and said, how much for me to record these every month? And it was too much. Right. They wanted – I don't remember the number.

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Let's say they wanted like, oh, it's like $20 a person. He was like, that's insane. And then they said, well, you don't have enough. If you have this many people, like you have 1,000 people, then we drop it from 20 down to this much.

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Per month. Then they were like, if you do this many, if you have over 10,000 people, then we drop it down to it's $8. Like you have to have – whatever it was, it was an outrageous amount of number for it to get down to where it was almost nothing. Right. Whereas sense, which is where someone like bank of America is like, it costs them almost nothing to report.

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Right.

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But he wasn't there. So he figured, okay, that's fine. At the rate we're going, we'll be over the thousand. It'll cost $8 or whatever it was. I forget the number. And he said, but you know, but by the time we got to the thousand, like nobody was complaining. You know, he said, like, nobody, like, even people that called and said, hey, it hasn't shown up yet.

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We were like, well, yeah, you have to make a few payments before it shows up. Trust me. He's like, he said, and a lot of people would just stop paying. So it's like, they don't say anything at all. They don't want it to show up. And he said, so... Six months, a year went by. Now he's just telling people, oh, we're reporting. Where are you pulling from? Where are you? Oh, yeah. Downward spiral.

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You're telling me you made – if I had a little scheme that I was running that was making me $2 million and for me to make it legit, I have to spend a million. Yeah. Even if I had just a million out of my – Half. I'll spend the million to keep a million. Yes. I wouldn't do it. Wouldn't do it. So within a year or two, it catches up with them. Amish lifestyle. Just a jerk off.

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You know, and then he gets arrested. And then, of course, they go in front. He's got hundreds. No, I'm sorry. Thousands and thousands of victims. So what he thought was, OK, it's a few million dollars. I'll do a couple of years. Ended up being ridiculous. Like six to eight years or something because he had so many victims. Yeah.

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Because you remember that the the federal sentencing guidelines like if I have.

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I think it was up to 250, up to 250 or more.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, so what happened with him was like, let me put it this way. Let's say I stole a million dollars from two people. Like I stole a million from you and a million from you. I don't get an enhancement for that. I don't get an enhancement for the victims. But if I stole $20 from 50 people, I get this massive enhancement. It's like, wait a second. I stole next to nothing from these people.

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20 bucks a pop. That's nothing. That's not going to change their life. These guys wiped someone out. They're like, I know, but they have more victims.

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So if it was $900,000 from an old retired woman. Yeah, you're right. It doesn't balance. They were trying to change that. There was like an amendment that I forget, FAM had put up or somebody they were trying to, you know, they never do change them. But they were like, when I was, you know, we were getting these letters like, hey, this is going up. They're going to change this and this and this.

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And like none of it passed.

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Yeah, even if it has to be new people.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So I got caught with a pound of marijuana today and I got a year. Right. This guy got caught with two pounds. On Tuesday, and he gets nothing.

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Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I get it. Can we make that retroactive and let me out? No.

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No, you're a criminal.

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It was so, yeah, you know, he got busted.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Was it a Ponzi scheme?

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Because you couldn't cancel it. Right. It was just dishonest. That's not a Ponzi scheme. You know what a Ponzi scheme is? It's, Ponzi scheme is when you're giving me money Where you're taking from new victims to pay old victims off. Really? Yeah.

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Is it just a simple fee, or is there a subscription?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You're killing me.

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A Ponzi scheme is where you give me $100,000 and I say you're making 20% a year. And you go, okay. But really, I just spent your money on a Lamborghini and a new house for me. And then when you say, hey, Matt, I need to get $100,000 of that back. I say, oh, okay. Connor, give me $100,000. I'll make you 20% a year. And you go, okay, you give it to me and I give you $100,000. Or $20,000.

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Whatever your proceeds are, I'm taking from. So anytime you pull it out, I'm giving you money that I'm taking from Mary Shelley, from Connor, from Jess. So other people are paying in. And anybody who says, hey, man.

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Right, right. So anytime somebody says, you say, hey, I give you $100,000 and it's been five years, it's now worth $300,000. I say, oh, I got it. Here's your $300,000, but I just took their money to pay you. And when he asked for his money, I'm taking from Bob and Jim and Bill to pay him. And so what happens is it's okay. It functions okay if more people pay in all the time.

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That's what Social Security is. Social Security is people. It's a legal Ponzi scheme. Yes. Because they're pulling from everybody's check to pay out people that had paid in originally. Yes. Insolvent. But meet Dick and Jane. Yes, that guy. Yeah, what was it? I know this whole scam.

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Well, wrote it down.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, go ahead. You tell it. Okay, so here's what he was saying. What they were saying was, well, it's a money back guarantee. Like you pay for it. If it doesn't work, we'll give you your money back. And it didn't work. No, no. Well, of course it doesn't work. But his whole thing was when people said, man, I paid $500. I want my $500 back. It's been six months. I've been taking this pill.

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I'm out of pills. And nothing ever happened. My Johnson did not get bigger, which you promised.

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Right.

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And he said, okay, well, all we need is a letter from your doctor showing that prior to you taking the pills, you were this size and now you're still the same size and that the pills did not help you. So just get us a letter from your doctor. If you can prove it, we'll give you the money back. who the hell? Like I didn't, if you read the fine print, we have to have proof or that sort.

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So, well, I'm sorry, but I didn't go to my doctor and get him to measure my junk before and after. So they're like, well, I'm sorry. Then how do we know it didn't work? Look how small my junk is. Exactly. Like, do you imagine people are taking pictures?

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Does this look like my wife is smiling the way that chick on the commercial? Right. Right. Yeah. So as a result of that, they ended up. So it was it was unfair business practices. It was it was false advertising. It was.

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Just because he's doing it across state lines. He's doing it all over. Ain't, you know, still in from thousands and thousands of, you know, little penis men, which needs to be protected.

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It's upsetting. I wish, what is that? What is the name? What was the name of the, of the, the scam?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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$100 million fraud.

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Nine years. Could you get somebody to do it for—could you get somebody to do the time for—

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And on top of that, you had an extensive criminal history.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, so how does the robocall thing work? Like, I mean, they have to do a certain thing, right? I get them, you know, I get them all the time. They, you know, they shows up saying sometimes it'll show up saying having a person's name.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Certainly wouldn't have been in front of you all these times. Over and over. At this point, what's his first name? Who?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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At this point, you basically walk in and go, Jimmy!

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Really?

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There's a rapper or there's a there's a guy.

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There's a black Zach. um guy too uh black zach you ever have you ever punch in your thing like this is this is the first thing that comes up oh yeah yeah then this comes up then you come up but the first guy is way better

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Oh, it's bad. Oh, it's horrible.

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Look at the booty on that chick. Look. He's got the glasses.

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I can't dance. Oh. Look.

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Hold on. Connor.

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He's got a whole, he loves it too. He loves what he's doing.

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I hope this doesn't get copywritten.

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What about, listen, I knew a guy in Coleman that was a concert promoter that promoted several concerts. Right. And then, and people paid whatever. a couple hundred, like, I mean, radio stations, everything. And he was promoting concerts for people that weren't, like, these are artists that are like, well, when am I going to be in Michigan? What's going on? Like...

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He'd take them, and they'd put the money, they'd send in their money, and then the promoter would take the money, and then they would come out and say, hey, it's been postponed, postponed. On the tickets, it says, hey, if there's weather and this and that, we're postponing, you understand.

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And he would postpone it like 60 days, then another 90, then another 30, then 60, and then they'd just drop away.

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Kept your money. By that point, your money's way gone. Yeah. But he did a whole thing. He eventually caught up with it. He was in Coleman with us. And when I got out, he... Listen to this. I always forget about this. This is hilarious. So when I first got to that... This is a whole sidebar thing. So when I first got to the halfway house, do you remember how...

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how which halfway house did you go to the one on the same one you did okay so you know they were tricked right like they were like like they're checking you you come in you and then they do the thoroughly but yeah rule wise yes rule wise yes what i'm saying is what when so for instance people couldn't just show up

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And, like, for instance, and they told you, did you get the little speech when you got there? Yes. Like, if you have friends come over, they have to be, you have to tell them, they have to sign in, they have to this. Like, don't have somebody come meet you in the parking lot.

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Like, that's an issue. Like, if they saw you, they'd violate you. Like, hey, some guy just came by. They'd search you. Like, what's going on? You stood out there and talked to that guy for 20 minutes and, you know, that sort of thing. You know, hey, that's illegal this, whatever. Stand there. We're calling. Like, they'd violate you. You'd go spend 30 days in the county jail. Yeah.

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So they, to me, they were strict. Like they had made you clean all the time. If you didn't have a job, you're cleaning all the time. Like they made you want to get out of that halfway house as quick as possible. So, and I was there for seven months. You know, you were there.

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Yeah, I know. But I'm saying you, you were on home. You got an ankle monitor right away. You were out right away.

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Yeah. 30 days. I was there seven months.

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I didn't have a home.

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Seven months? You and Jess, right? No, Jess got out within 60, 90 days she was out.

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Because she had her dad's. Oh, okay. And the only reason that took so long was he had to get a landline. He didn't have a landline. He's in Myakka. He's got a cell phone. Who the hell has a landline? Right. So anyway, the point is that when I got there, I had been there. Two weeks. I get there. I'm keeping my head down. I'm just doing what I have to do.

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I get there and probably within a week, guys are walking around. One day, all of a sudden, within like a day or so, I noticed guys are walking around looking at me, looking at me. And then one day, I walk by a guy sitting on the couches. Remember the couches in the middle in the day room? Guy's watching. He's watching my... This is when my American Greed was on Hulu.

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He's watching it on Hulu as I walk by. And I hear the whole... And I'm like... I look over and he's sitting there watching. I look. He looks up. He goes...

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just smiles and keeps watching i was like you know i was like oh man so i then i walk and a counselor my counselor is actually was jess's counselor this black guy he walks by and looks at me he goes cox so saw you on tv last night and i went on on what and he goes he said on american greed I was like, oh, man, he is. Yeah. Yeah. You need to hold your head low. Like he was like, give me a laugh.

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He was laughing about it. But I said, who else has seen it? And he goes, oh, we've all seen it by now. Everybody, like all the staff member had seen it. So that had just happened. And now the inmates are starting to watch it.

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And I'm not saying anything. I'm just trying to go to work and back, right? Like I don't, just started my job. So then one day I'm sitting there on the, sitting outside on the, or not outside, I'm sorry. I'm sitting on one of the couches in the day room, playing on my phone or even trying to figure it out. And a guy comes up to me, this guy I was in Coleman with goes up.

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He goes, hey Cox, you got to come outside real quick. There's a guy outside wants to talk to you. And I went, what? He goes, there's a guy outside wants to talk to you. And I went, who? Tell him to come in. He goes, no, he's in a car.

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he's come he needs to talk to you and he goes you need to come outside and i went all right all right so i get up i was like the fuck's going on i don't know anybody nobody the only people that know i'm even here is like treon and i'm working for him like who stops and nobody's stopping by the halfway who knows where the halfway house is right i walk outside remember how everybody used to stand outside and smoke yes there's like 20 tree yeah exactly there's 20 guys standing outside smoking like this

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staring, the guy that I told you about, the concert promoter, is in a white Lamborghini with the top off. His girlfriend is driving the car. blonde, blue eyed. I walk out and I see him and I walk over and he goes, he goes, Matt Cox. He's come here. Come here. I walk over and I go, Hey, what's going on? I barely, I kind of recognized him.

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He'd sat through my, my real estate class a couple of times. We'd had lunch a few times. Like, I don't really remember him that much. But he remembered me. He said, hey, man, I'm so-and-so. I was in your real estate class. Do you remember me? And I was like, yeah, man, what's going on? I kind of remembered him. I was like, yeah, that was a long time ago. He goes, yeah, it was a few years ago.

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I told you I'd looked you up. He goes, I looked you up every once in a while. I would go on BOP, and I saw that you were going to be in the halfway house. He said, I knew it said Orlando. You were going to be in Orlando. He says, oh, I checked and sure enough, you were here. I told my girl we had to go by. He said, man, do you need anything? I said, no, man. I said, I can't.

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I'm not even supposed to be talking to you, bro. I said, like, they got videos. Like, you're going to get me violated. He said, well, how can I get you, talk to you? And I said, man. I said, I work at a gym. And I told him the name of the gym and this. And I'm sitting there talking to a guy in a Lamborghini in the halfway house parking lot with all these guys smoking cigarettes.

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Like, what the hell is going on? I go, Brian, honestly, I can't. I said, I work at a gym. It's called, you know, Cultus 24-7 Fitness. He's looking up 24-7 Fitness. I'll be there tomorrow. And I turn around. He's, all right, I got you.

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Called me like two days late, two, three days later, he called the gym, talked to me, got my phone number, came by the gym. We talked for a while, pulls up in his Lamborghini. Yeah. I was just like, like, this is not, this is my life. Like, you know, this is insane. You know, I've met a, since, since I went to prison, like I've met four or five guys that have Lamborghinis. Yeah. You know?

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I've met two. Yeah, it's outrageous. Like, I didn't know these people before. Where were these people before? When I had money. You were in a low.

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There shouldn't have been no guys with Lamborghinis and pens and mediums. That's insane.

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Yeah. And it's cheaper for them to just pay it than it is for them to actually go to court.

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No.

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Yeah. Yeah. Good times.

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Oh, okay.

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Now, these are all like prison guys with laminates. Yeah. Well, no, no, not all of them.

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Yeah.

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Oh, I've met, there have been a few billionaires. Listen, I've met like three guys. I want to say, I think, I feel like it's three guys. I know for sure it's, no, it is. I think it's three guys that worked at NASA. Three guys that worked at NASA that I met that worked at NASA. that were all in there. All of them, pictures.

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I'm not saying, I don't know if there's a correlation there, but the fact that you meet one person in the real world that worked at NASA is odd. How often does that happen? Even if you lived in Florida, that's odd. To meet three? Listen, the military dorm... My buddy Pete said the military dorm, out of the entire military dorm, there's like 32 to 35 guys that don't have charges for pictures.

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Out of 150 guys, there's, what, close to 120 that are there for pictures.

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Hey, this is Matt Cox and I am here with Joshua Brower. He is the founder and CEO of Do Not Pay. He's got a really interesting thing that he's doing right now. So we're going to get into the interview. Check it out.

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No, I get that all the time. I get where it's just a random text. It's like, hey, hey, John or Sally. And you're like, this isn't Sally. Oh, what's your name? Stop it. Stop it. I don't know what you're doing. I don't have time for this foolishness.

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No, I don't get that far. Like, I have gotten... Well, no, because I'm like, oh, she's pretty.

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Let me just... Slash the... Start jumping on it.

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I just got a random text just now. Probably coupled with a picture.

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Simply because that's what they're doing. Because that's what they're doing. Like, I hate it when you use what they're doing against them. So this is a guy that owned a piece of land that was right next to a piece of a federal park, right? Like a national park. And the park wanted to buy his land. And he, for 20 years or something, he refused to sell it.

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And suddenly some new park administrators had come on board and they were talking about expanding the park and they were like, well, this is the park that we want. And they were trying to like say we're going to take it. And he was saying you don't have to have it like it. You can't use eminent domain to take my property. It doesn't benefit the public enough to. That you need it.

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You've already got 400,000 acres of land. It's just stupid. And he wouldn't sell it. And so suddenly he started getting these emails for a website for pictures. And he... He deleted it, and then it came again two days later, deleted it. Then another one came and deleted it.

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I mean, are they are they allowed to hide their, you know, that, you know, hide behind like a, you know, a do not, you know, where it won't tell you who's calling. It doesn't tell you like I have the service plan I have tells me who everybody is that calls. And I'll get the things where it says possible scam or possible telemarketer, but it doesn't say who's calling. Exactly.

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Then another one came, and every day, we're talking about every day, four or five a day of these emails saying to visit the website. Very specific saying what it was. This went on for 90 days. This guy, it was something like close to 1,000 times deleted it. Finally, one day, he clicked on it. He said, I didn't know how to make it stop. I'd hit the stop to unsubscribe.

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And they showed, they proved it. He'd done all this. One day he finally clicked on it. He clicked on it. And it's something basically, he said, I flipped through some pictures. He said, very quickly, maybe five or 10 pictures. He said, got off the website. clicked the unsubscribe and deleted it thinking maybe that will work. Like it was kind of, it was something along those lines.

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He's trying to finalize it. Like get rid of this. There was like a 60 minutes about this. Only reason I know it, it was like a 60 minutes, 60 minutes or 2021 of those. And so, and I could be botching the story slightly. But what ended up happening was he gets arrested like three days later. They indict him and come and arrest him.

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And during the negotiations, they're telling him like, hey, look, like you to plead guilty. You know, like they're trying to get his property. They're trying to use seizure to take his property. He's saying, what are you talking about? Like seize what? That has nothing to do with this. And I don't even know what happened here. Like I was trying to get rid of these things. So he goes to trial.

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Even though his lawyer is saying you're done, you're done. People have no, they're not going to look past the fact that you clicked on it. He goes to trial and he wins. Which was insane. Because he did click on it and he did look at the images. And that's all the law says.

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But it was enough that his lawyer had put together enough of a defense to say it's outrageous how many times they hammered him and bombarded him with this. And so he was able to win an entrapment-style claim. And he ended up winning. And they showed also that the FBI was targeting him very specifically. They were trying to get him...

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hemmed up so that they could get a hold of his land somehow get some leverage now they were never able to get a specific person or anything but it was pretty clear and that he ended up winning it good right but you know like you said like but surprise he didn't end up going to prison anyway right but that almost never happens so i'm saying like the idea that he could win that defense it almost never happened never so that's a an example that

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I tell you another time, a guy was buying, I knew a guy that, and this was pretty well documented too. This is like totally off the subject. But anybody that's watching this far would probably be interested. The point is that this guy, he was buying credit card information. And the guy said, hey, what about getting some pictures? I think we all know what kind of pictures we're talking about.

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And the guy said, hey, man, I sell pictures. I sell videos. I have pictures of this. And he was like, oh, bro, I'm not interested in that. I'm trying to get, you know, you advertised on this website that you had credit card information. Like that's who he thought he was contacting. Right. And somehow or another, it wasn't that. They were like, well, we don't have that.

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He ended up getting an FBI agent that was getting this up, trying to get people to be interested in this other thing. So he ends up saying, no, no, no, no, no. And finally, the guy says, I have bootleg videos. Of new movies and I have the credit card information you want. So he says, okay. Well, so he says, well, the bootleg videos were just like bootleg videos from movies.

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So he dropped the other thing. And then he bought it. They sent it to him. He gets it. In the information, they had put like JPEGs of photographs of young people. They indict him, arrest him. They come and arrest him, grab his computer. He's got the images on there. They show that he did look at them for a few seconds apiece. But in his mind, he said, did I look at them? Yes.

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He said, I didn't know what they were because I told him over and over again I wasn't interested in that. He did take a plea, by the way. He ended up taking a plea because he said, I was so, my lawyer was like, you're so screwed because the law says if you simply have possession, you're already guilty.

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When a robocall calls, I mean.

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They go, and you did have possession and you did look at the pictures and you looked at them too long. Like if you look at them for more than like four seconds or something or six seconds, there's a length of time for you to look at it, realize what you're looking at is wrong and delete it. He looked at it for longer. And he didn't delete them. They were like, so it's still on your computer.

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You didn't try and delete them. You're guilty. So he just took a plea. He got like, I don't know what it was, five years, six years, whatever it was. Yeah, see? See? And people say like, well, what are you guys, you get so freaked out if somebody's trying to send you a message or hell. He talked to Bozak.

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Bozak's like, he's like, anybody that tries to contact me that I think is even remotely too young. It's like, boom, no, no, no.

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Yeah, anybody that looks even remotely.

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And what's so funny, too, is like you could be 25 years old and send me a picture. 25-year-olds, to me, look like they're 12. You know, like the older you get, the younger everybody else looks. So some girl said, oh, I'm 25. I'd be like, this chick looks like she's 12 years old. You know? So, yeah. So, yeah, I could imagine. Because I heard these horror stories.

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They were creators. They were diddlers.

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Are you serious? No hands on would be there at all. Oh, at your place? At your place. No, at the low? At the low. Yeah, they were there. The hands on? Yeah. Yeah, these are guys like brought somebody across state lines. I told you. Didn't I ever tell you?

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Right. That's what I'm saying. Oh, I don't know about the full. This is somebody who made the attempt or was actually showed up someplace.

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Oh, yeah. Oh, wow. Well, listen, there was a guy in Germany who flew from Germany to the United States thinking he was meeting like a 14 year old boy or something. And it's legal in Germany, by the way. Like the age of consent was like 14. The boy was 14. He flies all the way over here, gets arrested, says, hey, I haven't done anything wrong. I was in my country.

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They said, you flew to the United States. He then goes to the German consulate and tries to get help. They wouldn't lift a finger for him. He's like, it's not illegal in Germany. And I didn't do it. And the other thing is in Germany, you didn't do anything. To him, it's like, I just showed up. I didn't do it. In Germany, you would have to have done something. They were like, nope, 25 years.

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Anyway. I mean, not that he's not a weirdo. Is he a weirdo? I mean, you know, you get to a point where it's like everybody's a weirdo. Everybody I met was just like odd. You know, it's like everybody, you just meet people, you just, you know, it was so, I hate to say that I would, you know, started to try and figure out what people's charges were. Like I, you know, and they would lie.

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You know, they always use fraud. They always say, what do you hear, fraud? Man, you mother, why can't you say something you could pull off? Because, you know, very quickly it's like, oh, what kind of fraud? Um, Credit card fraud. You were charged with credit card fraud? Yes. They actually said credit card fraud? Yeah, it was credit card fraud. There's no federal charge for credit card fraud.

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So it had to be access device fraud. It had to be like, if you're going to lie about my field of expertise. Learn something. Research. That's right. You can't say like, you know, cannabis. I was receiving cannabis in the mail. Say that. You don't have to know anything.

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Right. Well, guys would work their way down from the medium.

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right to the low but yeah i'm here for drugs they probably feel like they get called out for drugs too fast anyway yeah well i don't think they it listen it doesn't matter you talk to these guys for for 10 minutes and anyways after 10 minutes you're just like no man i don't mean even if you talk the talk like i'm sorry bro i don't believe you you're not a drug yeah you don't know what you're talking about

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Stop it.

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Yeah, get out of here. You can start. Bro, that's all I think about.

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Oh, listen, I hear scams. Are we recording? Yes. Okay. So I hear scams all the time. Where I see it, I read a little article or somebody tells me about their scam or I'll see something on the news and it's just like, oh.

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if they just did if they didn't did it the problem with most people is you read this scam and you're like that's a good scam like what went wrong like he did it in his own name yes or he did it in his sister's name or his one of his buddies like what are you doing and or and then it breaks down where you're like why didn't they just open a bank account in somebody else's name or in a fake person's name or in a you know a homeless person or whatever's name and dump the money in there and remove it and you're like well and then I always have to remind myself like bro

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Not everybody, and this is going to sound arrogant, has your skill set. Not everybody can figure out how to get a driver's license in somebody else's name or an ID or whatever.

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They're like,

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i could probably make uh i could probably make ten thousand twenty thousand dollars on this not realizing okay you could make 20 grand yes but three months from now you're in front of a judge or you're just getting handcuffed and you're waiting to be in front of a judge yeah and then you do six months or a year and now you're on your probation and then you start looking back on it you go jesus god almighty for 30 grand or 20 grand i just put a year in jail i spent a year in jail i lost all my people people never realize like

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Going to jail, who gives a shit? I don't give a shit. I'll go to jail for fucking six months. If I can come back where I left off. The problem is, you're coming back, you've lost everything. And what's even worse is that the people you know are the ones that took it. Yes. Like nobody came in and boxed up my shit and stuck it in the storage unit or even in their garage.

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still do it even though there are all these rules around it okay do you have are there any um i don't know why this makes me think of um there's a comedian who writes letters back and forth Oh, yeah, yeah. He had a book about memos or... Yeah, yeah. It's very funny. I don't know why it's making me think of that.

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Yeah, it makes me think of when the scammers call from like India and they'll get on the phone and act like a retiree or an older person and they'll just keep them on the line as long as possible to wear them down and get them frustrated and

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Yeah, what's going to happen when, like right now, they have programs where I can basically, they can take a 20-minute or an hour-long tape of my voice. No, even two minutes. Okay. Yeah, I saw one where it was like the longer you, the more you gave them, the better it was. But yeah, that's what's going to happen when you start thinking you got a call from your wife and she asks you to wire money.

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I had another question. There was one I watched where people were getting like you were scheduling or getting rescheduled for like the DMV.

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That was one of the services is that you guys will call and reschedule or go on the DMV website to try and get you placed higher.

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Okay. How long has the company been around?

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Okay. So you got venture capital. That's right. Um, how many subscribers do you have right now?

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How old are you by this point?

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So maybe it was crowded or something.

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It's like a boot camp.

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What's the union for? What are you doing?

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Okay. What happened when he came home?

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Did something happen between then? I mean, you're, you're getting in trouble right now.

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Has anybody screamed police?

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Yeah, why were the police in your house?

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Aren't they required to have body cameras?

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Did they get it lowered?

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That seems like a conflict of interest. He shouldn't have signed the warrant to begin with.

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What do you think the judge? I mean, I don't understand. Why is the judge? Why is he so adamant when he knows you? He knows you didn't shoot him on purpose. If you shot him at all, he knows that they were in your house. They weren't saying or are they saying different? Oh, no, we said police.

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Has anybody screamed police?

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I'm a little depressed for you.

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So you get the plea down to 16 years.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So 16 years and probation after that. What do you guys call it, post-release?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So did you sign, have you signed for it? You took the deal?

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I can't beat him. But you're out now. How long ago did you sign for? How long ago was this?

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And you're still out. What are you, did you, have you kind of like put it off or?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, do you get – you're saying – you keep saying 16 years flat, you don't have any good time?

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Who's going to take care of your dog?

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Did you sell, are you selling your properties?

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What is your buddy saying about all this? The one you said you ended up, he was like, holy shit, or was he?

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Yeah, so I had a guy I knew locked up in prison. His last name was Junior. They called him Junior. He was in Atlanta, and he was a part of a drug kind of, it's really not a task force, but like a group of guys, right? And they were big on no-knock warrants. And the way they would get the no-knock warrant is they had actually had CIs that were certified. They were called certified CIs.

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So this is a CI that has helped us in the past get convictions. So his word is certified.

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Right. Right. So they go to him. So here's what happens is they would – and Junior did this for 10 years. So they would pull people over. They'd search your car and they'd find $40,000, whatever. And they'd just take it from you. They're like, you're a drug dealer. I'm just going to take it from you.

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right right and so of course he said what he said was a lot of times like you'd find like half a key or something and you know 20 grand and they'd be like look you know here's what we can do because they'll convert the cash to to drugs so now suddenly you have you didn't get caught with half a key you got caught with two keys because when you convert the cash to drugs you got caught with two keys you're getting 20 years or we can take the cash

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We can turn in the key. You'll get five years. As long as you don't mention the cash.

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You want to get five years? You want to get 20? You're not even getting it back. It's gone either way. But if you fucking say that we took the cash, you know what I'm saying? It's going to be a problem. Take it, take it, take it. He's going to be like, take it. So they take it. And they would also, like one time he said they busted somebody, pulled somebody over. Um, he has a key.

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They start, where's the money, where's the money, where's the money. And, and they're like, so basically they're, they're like, they eventually figure out where he lives, go to his house on a no knock warrant, go inside the house, find a hundred, couple hundred grand, a hundred grand, whatever it is, take the fucking money and then say, I didn't, we didn't find nothing.

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So we only got him for a key or a half key, quarter key, whatever it is. So he was saying that like, oh, we would rob him. He was like, we robbed people for 10 years. 10 years. So here's what happens is one day they pull somebody over, they grab the guy, and they're like, where did you get the drugs from? He's got like a fucking half a key or something, a key, whatever.

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They're like, where'd you get it? And the guy says, you know, if I tell you where I got it, will you let me go? They go, you tell us where you got it. We're going to take the drugs, but you can walk. And he goes, okay, here's the address. Gives them the address, you know, 3017 North 14th Street, whatever. Okay.

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And so they then go to the certified CI and they say, we need you to sign this saying you've bought drugs from this house. He signs it. They then take that and they go to the judge and boom, this guy's bought drugs a bunch of time. He's a certified CI. You've signed off on him before. He just bought some drugs. They have the drugs. And the judge says, okay, no problem. They sign it. He signs it.

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Yeah. So 11 o'clock at night, they go to the house. This is in Atlanta. Go to the house, bad neighborhood. They go to the front door. They pry open the front door. So it takes some time. You can hear them, bam, bam, you know, cutting open the front door. And then they kick in the front door. And as they enter the front of the house, They hear – somebody shoots him. Bam, bam, bam.

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It was like three shots, and they just – a junior unloads on them. It was a 70-year-old retired school teacher who woke up to hearing bam, bam, bam, bam. Bam, bam, the front door she grabbed, rolled over, grabbed her little .22 or .38, whatever, small, walked in the hallway of the shotgun house. You know, the hallway starts at the front door. She leans out her window. She sees guys rushing in.

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She starts firing, and Junior unloaded it on her, killed her. So, you know, by the time the cops show up, They've said they've come up with their story. She's a drug dealer. She's selling drugs and drugs are being sold out of this house. We already have a no knock warrant. Um, we have, we got a certified, you know, affidavit.

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So they're saying all this, but junior who goes to the hospital, good junior got shot by the way, it hit him in the vest, but it was this part of the vest. So it didn't hit the plate. So it goes through his shoulder, right? It goes, well, or at least into his shoulders. He goes to go to the hospital, you know, and they stitch him up, whatever. And, uh, He was such a fucking dirtbag, bro.

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You say you went to the streets. What does that mean?

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Whenever you would say something like he would, I'll tell you later, but he was such a douchebag anyway, like no remorse. So the cops get there and very quickly they're talking to the neighbors and the neighbors are like, she's a retired school teacher. She doesn't sell drugs. The family showing up. That's my mom. What the fuck are you talking about?

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Like the neighborhood's getting crazy. Yeah. They're getting fucking riled up. They're ready. This is a bad neighborhood. This is a this is a an 80 percent, 20 percent Hispanic, 80 percent black neighborhood in Atlanta. And where this was 20 years ago where they're being brutalized. And they ain't having it, bro. So there's there, you know, and of course, you know, it's not like they're wrong.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They're not. You know, I'm saying like so I get it. Sometimes they get upset like, oh, you arrested this guy and oh, you're picking on the on us. But the truth is, the guy's a drug dealer. Like, so shut up. But this is a school teacher. So they're trying to convince people. No, no. She was selling drugs. And obviously, juniors realizing it's unraveling.

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Right. Internal affairs comes in and they realize something's wrong. Something's very wrong. It's so overwhelming within a day or two, the feds come in. And they say, no, no, your internal affairs are not taking care of this. We think you violated this woman's rights, her constitutional rights. We think this way. And that's a very people think, oh, OK, so what? No, no, no, no.

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That's a serious fucking thing. They'll throw you in jail for 20 years for violence. So it's starting to unravel. Junior. He's been around, knows it's unraveling. He knows the whole thing's going to fall apart. He knows his guys are not going to stand up. They know the score. Junior grabs a lawyer, goes straight to the – because the first guy in the door is usually getting the best deal.

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All right. What'd your dad say? Does he know? He's got to know.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He goes straight in, and he says, Junior gets three years in the state for – what is it? For manslaughter. Yes, ma'am. And he gets five years for violating her rights. He keeps all of his money. He testifies against all of his co-defendants. He tells you what they've been doing for 10 years, and that's the deal. And the feds go, we'll take it.

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Like, cause we've got these, nobody so far is coming in. And I'm willing to lay out the case. So he gives up, I wanna say six, his six or seven partners, you know, in this little drug, not task force, their little drug unit. And he explains – oh, by the way, by this point, it's about – I told you it's been about three or four days. He's out of the hospital, of course.

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But by this point, the newspapers are coming out, and one of the things that's happened is that the feds grabbed the CI, and he's talking. I don't know who that person – they showed up. They gave me an affidavit. They had it. I signed it. What am I going to do? These guys are telling me they're going to send me to prison. I've signed bunches of them that I've never bought drugs from. So this is –

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And it was so fun. This is what I'm saying. It was so funny. I would sit there and I would because he would tell stories. I'd be like, you know, this ever happened. This ever happened. You know, I'd ask him questions periodically. And, you know, he would laugh about how this happened. I said, what's the worst thing you ever seen? He would be like, oh, God, or the worst thing I ever seen.

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Listen to this. Like everybody told me they were chasing a guy one time, and the guy ran – he goes, you know the bridges that go across the highways, right? The overpasses.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. He said, so this guy, we're chasing him, and he ends up pulling his car over right there at the – just as the overpass starts, and he starts running. He goes, and I'm chasing him. He said he runs and he jumps over the overpass. Because you know how it goes down on the side. Thinking he's going to go down and be able to run down there. And he's like, there was a neighborhood not far away.

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That's where he's headed. He said he runs and he jumps. He said, now keep in mind, as he's running, you can see him look over.

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he keeps running he looks over and he he realizes okay i'm almost to the point where it starts it's dipping but he keeps running and then he jumps thinking he's got a few feet to the other side but by the time he got he had run too far and it had dropped down like 30 feet and as he's falling you know the fences Well, the fences have the posts and they stick out, right? Sometimes, right?

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He said it was one of the older 1960 or 70s posts that have a point on it. It catches him in the back of the head as he's falling and yanks his head clean off his body. He said, I went to jump over it. And he said, I jump over it. I have to grab onto the thing. I realize it dropped because he jumped and now I'm jumping.

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Right. And he's like, whoa, whoa. And he's like, oh, he's like, I'm grabbing it. He goes, but I wasn't that far. It was maybe 15 feet. So I was able to kind of hang down and drop down. He said, or maybe somebody pulled him up, whatever. He said, I remember when we ran down there to find him. He said, his head is on the spike. He said, two or three of us immediately started puking.

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He said, I've never seen things so horrific in my life. Anyway, so I remember one time I was talking to him about this whole thing. And I went – I said he was complaining because keep in mind he got three years in the state, and he was supposed to get five years in the Fed. They were running concurrently.

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He's a white cop setting up black drug dealers. You can't go to the... In Georgia?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So he knew. Listen, he's not stupid. So what's funny about that is the state judge, even though he had a deal... It wasn't the state judge. It was, I want to say it was a federal judge. The federal judge ended up giving him like six years or seven years, a couple of years more than he was supposed to get. He's like, yeah, he's like, yeah, I had a deal.

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He's like, he's like the fucking federal judge. He blah, blah, you know, this and this. And he was supposed to give me five years and he never gave me seven. And I went. You did kill somebody like that. And he goes, old lady. Like, I know, I know. I go, you did kill somebody. And he goes, he was, she fucking shot me, bro. And I went, you broke into her house. Like I typically don't push back.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I don't care. You want to say, okay, whatever. I'm not going to get an argument. She shot me. And I go, you broke into her fucking house. He's where police officers. I go, she didn't know that. You know what I'm saying? And he sat there. He's, you don't understand. I'm thinking, no, no, I do understand. You don't get it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, this is a bad situation. I also understand that usually I would say, well, you should have gone to trial, but you can't go to trial. Not with a judge saying that. I couldn't even justify saying, well, you should still try. No, there's no... The judge has already told you he's going to fuck you.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. But if they had body cameras on.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. You would have had a gun charge.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What was the gun charge, Kerry?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Really? Because, you know, in the feds, like if I get caught with a gun, I get three years. If I if I get caught with a gun and drugs, you get five years.

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For protection of my home. And you used it in furtherance of protection of your home.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, yeah, obviously I don't have anything good to say. There's no good in this.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What did he end up getting total?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Can you think of anything we didn't cover? No.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No. I'm a little depressed for you.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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man what did you think was gonna happen you thought he was gonna be like look here's how you do it or be honest with you i thought he was yeah i thought he was yeah because he can't if it's you'd see if it seemed like he's not in a position to judge you but he's super just disappointed he was hoping better for you he was definitely hoping better for me you ever heard that term and he paid so much money for my lawyer in in um massachusetts have you ever heard you ever heard the um the phrase or the term or whatever um

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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All right. I think this is a good stopping place.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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All right. Hold on a second, okay? Okay. Do you have anything, any place you want people to go or, you know, like a social media or anything now?

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Were you on bond for the two years?

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So you already got two years in.

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What happened with your mom?

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Are you not allowed to do that?

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As long as you don't get caught.

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You don't send four people to, yeah, four people don't show up.

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In Revelation, it says that in the end days, plague of locusts will emerge from the abyss, but they will not look like ordinary insects, but they will have supernatural attributes and be mechanical in nature. There's this AI entity that is controlling all the drones. What are your thoughts on the drones?

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The legacy media consistently lied openly. They shot themselves in the foot so many times that all their credibility is gone. I just don't see how they can actually continue to survive. You lie to me once, shame on you. Lie to me twice, shame on me. Why would I keep buying it? Even more recently... I have some liberal friends when they heard Obama share the very fine people on both sides hoax.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. He says it, and it's like that's been debunked. Trump said very good people on both sides, not talking about white supremacists. They should be condemned totally. Right, no, they cut that part out.

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they're still running but they're still running with it right you can't you can't continue to run with that although eventually people are going to be like okay i just don't i can't believe anything you say because even the thing because i know that you're lying to me openly to my face about something and you just continue to do it the gaslighting has just reached unprecedented levels and what about trump right right now suing them uh suing is it is it uh is it abc or cbi i forget who he's suing but they're already talking about trying to like he's got like a 400 million dollar lawsuit i mean

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Yeah, just the lying has to stop. I mean, obviously, you're going to make mistakes, especially with something like the drones. Like, there's so many different potential reasons why we could be seeing these drones.

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And I think, Matt, we're living through a day and age where AI and visual effects and reality is so easily distorted that I don't discount necessarily anything from anyone.

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Yeah, well, you have to, you know, I'll question things. I think it's smart. Honestly, I think we have to question everything. Are you familiar with that show Catfish on MTV? Yeah. On the show Catfish. Is it still going? I think so. That's been forever. So you have these people going back and forth and prison fair, you know, pretty popular show, but what would never happen?

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There would never be a video call between the person who's being catfished and the person who is pretending to be someone else. They would never get on video calls. They had the big aha moment at the end where they meet up in person and they're like, Holy cow. I never knew it was you. Yeah. Well, now with AI, deepfake technology, filter technology, you could easily have a video call with someone

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put an overlay over your face and you could be anyone, anything. So it just, I just look at that is how far have we come where I could actually have a video call with you and I could superimpose my face to be any person, any voice pretty easily using some pretty basic AI technology. So we have to kind of question everything I think is, um,

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Oh yeah, dude. They're, they're like these vine, not vinyl. They're like a fabric mask, like a rubber mask.

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You could put it through even a voice filter on Zoom, something like that.

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Sorry. Yeah. I saw this video. This guy is walking around New York City. He's got, like, I don't even know what the material is. It's like a nylon mask you just pull over your head. And on the front of it, it's got a picture of, like, Kanye. And people are, like, stopping to take selfies with him. Like, Kanye, Kanye.

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It's just a dude wearing this black nylon mask with a picture of Kanye on the front. Dean Shooter has one.

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Right. It's like it's literally Mission Impossible from 20 years ago where Tom Cruise just rips off like, oh, you were – it was you this whole time, Jack Ryan, whatever. It's a wild time. I was active.

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boy well you can go to the to the to the other side and help people put they don't pay implementations in place yeah helping people fix fraud doesn't pay yeah fraud pays little backwards yeah yeah so okay so the so the the the drones that's it military that's it That would be my stance. But I'll go even a level deeper on the drones.

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Do you think that they would announce that? Because by announcing it, then people are like, holy crap, there's dirty bombs, there's nuclear bombs in the homeland of the United States. And then they probably take on some culpability because how did the bomb get in here in the first place? Probably came up through the southern border.

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I was watching a video of these drones, this huge drone swarm lifting off the ground, right? There's tens of thousands of drones in this big field. They're activated, zzz. They look like swarms of locusts. And I don't know if you're a Christian, if you read the Bible, anything like that. But in Revelation 9, it says that in the end days, plague of locusts will emerge from the abyss.

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Plagues of locusts. But they will not look like ordinary insects. but they will have supernatural attributes and be mechanical in nature.

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I promise you can bring it up. Revelation 9. They will be swarming. They will not just kill, but they will torment. And you talk to people, military over in Ukraine, Russia, where they're using these loitering munitions, these suicide kamikaze drones. Mm-hmm. These these warriors report being tormented by these drones because they they think it's coming to blow them up. So that's how they are.

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Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's happened all over the world. In Israel-Palestine, you know, these drones are just a common causing. So you're tormented. So this is like straight out of Revelation. It also says that in Revelation that there will be a king above the swarms of locusts, an Abaddon, as they say.

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And the speculation there is that there's this AI entity that is controlling all the drones and these... these swarms of locusts um so you want to get crazy it's been it's been predicted in a in a 2000 um year old book and you know i do think that throughout the course of human history you can always say oh we are in the end times we're in the end days saying that since i was since i was a kid

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Always.

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I mean, they wouldn't know what they were seeing either. They would hear these swarms of locust dragons, mechanical, it, you know, that is, it's very possibly what they, what they could have been seeing here back in, uh, you know, during this, this in, in revelation, but, um, I've seen the future and this is just their, their interpretation of the future. Exactly.

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I don't think that the Biden administration would take responsibility for anything bad that happened. I don't think any administration for that matter.

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But, I mean, I think that's – again, going back to this drone thing, I think that's part of what we're seeing with the drones is make you comfortable with it, make you comfortable with it. In 10 years, when you walk outside, there's going to be drones everywhere. There's going to be – Amazon is going to be delivering your toilet paper with drones. You're going to order Uber Eats.

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A drone is going to drop it off. Maybe it's an autonomous vehicle, but probably it's going to be a flying drone. Some of these drones you're seeing off New Jersey are the size of SUVs. Yeah, yeah.

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Well, in 2024, there was a Chinese air balloon that flew across the entire continental United States. We still don't know what was up with that. Like, oh, they're just doing their thing. It's like, bro, they've got a freaking spy balloon flying over all of our farmland. China owns 200,000 acres of farmland in the United States.

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I think when we think about war, when I think about war, I really think of that like storming the beaches of Normandy and trench warfare. But the next war is – I don't think it will look like that at all. It's going to look like swarms of drones flying around, kamikazing into key places, and then maybe some human beings coming on the back end.

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But maybe it's more like these robot dogs with flamethrowers and machine guns strapped to their backs.

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And I think it's moving really fast, Matt. Because I agree, the Tesla bots right now are kind of gimmicky, but I can see the vision. In five years, ten years, I could see every house having one of these Tesla bots in them, self-driving cars.

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And usher in a further surveillance state.

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I think within the next five years, every single person listening to this will have rode in a self-driving car, like a Waymo or an Uber or something like that.

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Yeah, that's all.

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But don't you feel like that kind of steals your autonomy a bit? Like if something were to really go down like I I was on a daddy daughter camping trip last year and a big troop here in in Florida. And one of the dads had his Tesla Cybertruck posted up, and he had a tent on the back. It was pretty dope. He's like, yeah, I couldn't make it all the way up here.

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I had to stop for 30 minutes to charge the battery. I was like, huh. So you only can travel about 200 miles at a time. That reduces your autonomy. If you had a regular gas-driven truck, you could have a few gas tanks in the back, and you could actually move. You wouldn't have to stop and charge a charging station.

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I got to say the idea of having a vehicle, like a Tesla that can drive me places and I can just kind of hang out. Like that's, that's pretty amazing. It's really amazing.

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I really wonder what's going to happen to the human worker over the next five to 10 years. As someone who reports on the AI news on my newsletter and whatnot, I talk a lot about AI. I really wonder where humans fit in. Because to your point, why would I hire a human to work in a warehouse? Why would I hire a human to work in a call center? Why would I hire a human to drive and do deliveries?

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Why would I do that when I can have autonomous vehicles, robots that don't get tired? They don't complain about Mary. They don't get sick. They just do the damn thing. Where do humans actually fit into a world like that? What people say, what people, what people say is, well, you won't be replaced by a robot or AI.

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You'll be replaced by someone that's using a robot or AI, but I'm still, you're still replaced.

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Exactly. Exactly. Where there were this many jobs, where there were 500, now there's five. Who are the humans that fill those roles?

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that are here you see i'm saying like yeah you you can't because the system can't run without people working well you well so let's just say here conceptually that universal income doesn't work because humans need purpose right if your purpose is to wake up good yeah very quickly exactly like i think that universal income like it sounds good at first but then a weekend you'd be like what

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What am I supposed to do? Am I just a dopamine machine? No, humans need to make goals, challenge themselves, have experiences.

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Well, he said he's not going to travel to Bedminster, New Jersey for the foreseeable future because, yeah, he said, I'm not going to New Jersey. There's something going on. I can't blame him. You know, right now they're moving, I guess, his inauguration inside because it's quote unquote too cold. But maybe it's because they just don't feel they can secure the perimeter.

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I got back from a vacation. My family and I went to Ireland over the summer and came back. And we got back. I was kind of in a funk. I was like, I can't really get back into things. I'm just kind of like goofing off, wasting time, playing video games, stuff like that for a couple days. I was kind of in this funk, right? I wasn't feeling real good about myself. I wasn't working out.

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About three days after I got back, went to the gym. Within two minutes of being in the gym and lifting weights, I was like, we're back. We're freaking back, baby. And it's because you got to be doing something hard. Right. You know, it was very comfortable to sit on the couch and sleep in and be lazy and eat Domino's. Shout out Domino's. I actually like Domino's. But that feels good.

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But it just like – it only feels good for a fleeting moment. So that, I think, is kind of the problem that we're going to run into in that world where there's a universal basic income and there's just extreme efficiency on all sides. So I don't see that as being a very good solution to the AI robotic human – Yeah, but there's a lot of people.

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the quote unquote best solution, which by the way, in Orlando, just, I just drove over here from Orlando. Um, McDonald's you walk in, there's a, this is the world's largest McDonald's in Orlando. You go in, you type in what you want on a screen, you get a number, you go sit down, robot brings you out your food when it's ready. It finds you on the floor, drops it off.

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You eat robot, comes back, picks it up, takes it away. You're done. You didn't, I, you don't have to interact with a human being in a restaurant. And that's kind of where we're at right now.

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Like that guy is a magnet for bullets. You know, he's living a dangerous life, man.

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You have to have somebody – But I think it's going to be slow. And this kind of comes back to that – It's not like 10 years.

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I think when it happens, it happens fast, right? Really? It happens – I think it happens really fast. Yeah. You know, you take a big – I mean, I don't think it's that hard to build the robots. I mean, you have these giant factories.

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There are. Well, and I think this, you know, when I think about like financially, you know, what's going to be the next boom? The next boom is going to be manufacturing the United States. It's going to be manufacturing chips. It's going to be energy. And it's going to be cooling. How do we cool all the chips?

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Because you could build these really large manufacturing facilities here in the United States and you have robots building the robots, then the robots servicing the robots. I think it can move faster than we expect. That's what I think.

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panels and that's where we gotta we gotta that's where we gotta be by the time that happens i don't think it's better than 10 years that's less than that's like less than 10 years in uh in mar-a-lago uh trump already has robot security on site these robot dogs moving around mar-a-lago yeah exactly exactly the other day i sent this to jess it was um

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shockingly accurate too i love that have six of those things around the facility eight of them around the facility nobody's getting in yeah can't let your dog run it loose but that's well that's when cyber security becomes a big deal because you don't want that thing to someone to hack in and then turn it against you on the inside or something yeah you have to be it'd be hard hardwired is it cheating if you hook up with a robot

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My wife and I were discussing this the other day. We were watching this Megan Fox movie. Oh, yeah. I've seen that. I saw the previews. Yeah. So, spoiler alert, he hooks up with the Megan Fox robot. Is that cheating when you hook up with a robot? Is it cheating on your partner?

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Right. Right. I'll just say it. It seems like it's cheating, too. I'm with you. I'm with you.

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Yeah. Like a weirdo. Like, what are you doing? It seems weird now, but I promise you in 10 years, people are going to be hooking up with these robots all over the place.

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Something like this actually happened last year. There was a company called Replica.

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And Replica made these AI companion chatbots. Not a physical robot, but it's a chatbot that you can communicate with. Well, spoiler alert, men started having sexual... having sexual conversations with these chatbots. They started sexting with the chatbots. The company decided, this is Replica, Replica AI decided, we want to clean up our act. We're going to go public.

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We have a different vision for ourselves. So they shut down the sexting feature one day. Well, immediately millions of young men complained saying, you have just lobotomized our girlfriends. Right. I no longer have my companion. Nobody knows me like my replica chat bot. And that's just a texting relationship. Imagine it as a physical person. Exactly.

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You factor in a physical person, which, by the way, these physical robots are already starting to look fairly realistic. But maybe you put on some goggles to make them even look more realistic.

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I don't see – I see that that's going to happen. Yeah. That's going to happen. Anytime a new technology comes out, the first thing that humans do is try to have sex with it. Right?

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Fact check true.

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fact check the fact check me predict this in 10 years half of high schoolers are going to be in relationships with some sort of robotic or ai bot that's weird isn't yeah but you know what else is weird um dating apps when they first came out if you told somebody you were on a dating app or yeah we met on a dating app initially they would snicker

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Now it's like the standard, right?

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Yeah, but there is a chemistry of being physically in the same space with someone.

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It does seem crazy simple. It's crazy. I've never been on a dating app with my wife 18 years now. So to your point, it was not really something you did. You weren't going into chat rooms to meet a girlfriend or whatever.

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becoming a thing at that time but it was still kind of looked down on right like yeah losers were on dating apps yeah it's like oh you can't function in the real world but yeah but that's that's a good point is as time moves on as online relationships become more ubiquitous it's that's that's the standard now two out of three relationships are starting on an online dating app yeah

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I don't see any reason why that would change, but I think it goes a step further. And now people are having relationships with AI, AI girlfriends online. I mean, have you seen any of these AI avatars online? These AI models?

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having community they're talking and doing things and interacting and that like i haven't but i haven't actually wonder what any of them are you look one up it's just some some dude in pakistan who is creating these ai ai tricks online well i mean well no not exactly they're using an ai program they're using a few different ai programs to create these images of this of this It's not even a human.

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It's just an AI-generated image. But the male brain is very visually oriented. We see something. We like it. We're attracted to it. We want more of that. And so you're having these AI... girlfriends that are, that are very visually pleasing, perfect 10 out of 10. They know exactly what you like. They know exactly what you want. They know all the different websites you've gone to.

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Now they're showing up in your feed over and over and over again. It's the, it's the greatest thirst trap trap in the history of humanity because now you're seeing, let's say you're into blondes or whatever. So now all you're seeing is this blonde chick that's retargeting you online. You start texting with it and then you're, and before you know it, you're addicted to the, to the dopamine burst.

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Uh, This is already happening at scale. It's already happening at scale. And I don't know how a young like I'm 42. My mind's pretty developed at this point. At least that's what I tell myself. But I think it back to myself at age 16, 15. I didn't know what the hell was going on.

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Yeah, well, I think so. But I think the issue as well, Matt, is I think most regular Americans are like, okay, you know, whatever, the president's coming in. The issue, I think, is that Trump was kind of like a...

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There's a lot of sci-fi movies. It seems like any one of them could be correct. In I try not to worry about tomorrow, but kind of think about like, what action can I take now? And I think the best action that we can take now as humans is not get comfortable. We've got to be learning. We've got to try new things.

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We've got to testing the new technology, finding solutions to new problems to try to remain relevant. You know, if you're a 45 year old,

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corporate cog in a wheel you're in a very dangerous place because in five years your position could easily get laid off it's it's like in the in office space where the bobs come in and they're like so what do you actually do here right there's going to be laying off people by the handful because they're because we're using ai to do so much we're paying you 80 000 a year and we just for 40 000 we just

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40 000 a piece we can buy these these robots to do your job but a lot of jobs you don't even need a physical robot it's like a call like if you're a call center you don't there's there's millions of people are in call centers now you don't actually need a call center you just have you just have a a server a gpu that's processing all the calls yeah i understand

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Dude, right now, Google Gemini has an AI toolbox. I can open that up, share my screen and just have it. I could open up any software and say, hey, what do I do next? And it'll say, oh, well, you click on the file tab and now drop down. You don't need, you can, I can use a Google, basically what I'm saying here is I can use a screen share AI program. It can walk me through any troubleshooting.

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So what happens to that troubleshooting tool? call center or assistant. You don't need them. You don't need them anymore. It's all, it's all managed there.

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It tells you what to do.

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pause wait let me click okay play okay good before you know it boom i'm got a new transition that i'm dropping with chat gbt my kids don't even say google it anymore they say let's ask chat gbt and i can open up chat gbt i can ask chat gbt a question it can give me personalized responses to any sort of custom scenario or issue or challenge or problem so far by the way i'm

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like a like an m80 in the middle of the government like just huge like no more uniparty you're bringing in a a wild card and there's a lot of bureaucracy huge bureaucratic organizations that that don't want that because they're they feel their their deep state influence being dragged away they's like oh we got the wild card coming in you got a business guy coming in he's gonna you know he's bringing elon for efficiency we can't have that we can't have efficiency and

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I've definitely found that... ChatGPT AI, it wants to serve you. It wants to give you what you're looking for, and sometimes it will do that. But you did the right thing. Anytime you're asking for research, you have to ask for references and citations. Yeah, but you would think, right? By the way, I think that's going to get better over time.

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We, we need, we need the bloat. We need the, the budgets. We need the funding, you know, it comes down to money and power.

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But you have to listen. You have to verify. Well, that's true, too. It knows you. It knows what you want to hear. I don't want you to tell me what I want to hear. I will whisper sweet nothings in your ear for sure. You see what I'm saying? And I think that's where I see AI in its current iteration is it's going to make a beginner proficient.

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Like if you're a beginner, if you know nothing about a topic, AI is going to bring you up to speed pretty fast. You're going to be competitive in the marketplace. But if you're an expert in a field, if you really know your stuff, you're going to be able to easily find the mistakes to AI. So it's going to make a beginner proficient.

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An AI is going to make experts efficient because now you can move and say that doesn't line up. That data doesn't line up. Let me, that stat doesn't line up.

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And so it's like, it's good for, it's good for like outlining and list building. Right. But you need to validate, you need to do Dylan.

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Everything is extremely vague, you know, yeah I think and this is something I talk a lot about on my newsletter AI update dot AI quick plug but If you are better at prompting, you can get better results.

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Yeah, sometimes you have to drill down. You're not going to get like an optimal response off your first prompt. It's one prompt. And then you have to understand how to kind of like continuously drill down on that topic and drill down on those questions. But you can get some just amazing, incredible stuff doing that. But you're right. It'll make stuff up to make you happy, to please you.

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So this is something that was kind of interesting. I recorded a video on my YouTube channel on the continuing resolution that was recently published.

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stripped down from 1500 pages to i think it was like 100 pages something like that there was this big bill omnibus they were passing the budget for next year and then there it was a huge controversy because you know you're in congress you're like i'm getting ready to go to bed you get an email oh by the way you're voting on this tomorrow you got to read 1500 pages They ain't going to vote.

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They ain't going to read any of it. So the stance I said was, hey, what if I use ChatGPT to read this entire omnibus package and see if it can like – Give me the cliff notes. Exactly. Give me the cliff notes. And so I did that. Downloaded the PDF. You can get it right from the government website. Uploaded it to ChatGPT. I have the pro version.

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If you're not using pro, that's probably worth the $20 a month. I'll go to ChatGPT, ChatGPT Reddit, and it started referencing certain pages of stuff that I might be concerned about. I was like, I don't want to spend money on this or that, whatever. And it said, okay, on page 36, you got to be wary of this.

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So I go to page 36 and I said, I don't see anything on page 36 about what you're talking about. So, oh yeah, sorry, I made a mistake. It's actually on page 157. Okay. And that's where the actual reference part was. So on the front, I don't know where it came up with page 36. I don't know why I got confused. But I read it. I'm like, okay, now let's go validate. You have to validate all this stuff.

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That being said, I was able to quickly get to it. But I did say, hey, give me the cliff notes. Reference the page number. Give me your citation. Give me an example. And I was able to get it from there. I don't like it. I don't like it at all. Well... It, when we're using, it's a tool, it's a tool, you know, it's a tool.

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And the, I think the more comfortable we are and the better we are at using it, the more efficient we can be. But if, if your stance, Liz, it's the same thing with, with, with Twitter. If your stance with Twitter is I saw it on Twitter, it must be true.

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Yeah. You can look at something and say, okay, now let me check some trusted sources and then I can validate whether or not something's true. Anytime I'm using ChatGPT to do some sort of search or I always want the citation, I want to go to validate that that piece of data information is accurate. It's important.

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Yeah, but do you think it's fair for the U.S. government to come in and say you have to sell your company, you have to divest in your company? There's a little bit of a freedom of speech problem there.

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They don't like it.

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We need to be manufacturing chips, United States.

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Yeah, you don't need to sell me on the fact that, you know, the CCP in China has... Participate in unethical business practices, stealing of intellectual property, copyright, trademark infringement, all that. Right. So why not tell them you've got to sell?

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I don't think it's unreasonable. But what I do think is interesting, though, is Trump doing a 180 on this topic because this whole thing started, I want to say, in 2019. They were starting to talk about this. That's been going forever, yeah. Yeah. And just over the last year is when the bill got passed, appealed, upheld by the Supreme Court.

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And now Trump is going to come back and say, you know what? Actually, we like TikTok. I kind of wonder. I feel like. Well, yeah. But, I mean, what's going to change in 90 days? CCP is going to say, you know what? You're right. We're going to sell it to Mr. Beast or whatever.

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What about this? Elon. No, I, well, that I don't disagree with either. Uh, Elon had a hot take on Twitter today where he, he kind of said like, he feels concerned about the infringement on free speech with forcing bite dance to divest from Tik TOK.

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But he also feels that it's unfair that we allow Chinese-owned corporations to function in the United States, whereas China does not allow U.S.-owned corporations. Because you can't use X in China. You can't use X in China. You can't use it. But we allow TikTok here. So he said it's not really a fair exchange.

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The other thing that's weird about TikTok is TikTok in China is very different from TikTok in the United States. TikTok in the United States is like... I'm a cat, respect my pronouns. TikTok in China is... School graduations.

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I, I, as it is, it just is another kind of quick hot take is a father. I've got an eight year old and a five year old, quite frankly, I don't think so. I think social media should be illegal for you under 18. Like you, you know, maybe 16, but you can't even use these platforms until you're 16 or 18 because it's complete. It's like, you can talk about psyops. It's like the ultimate psyop.

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And, and you know, the, It's kind of funny, you know, now that I'm getting bigger into these online communities and influencer community, I'm working with big clients. We're doing like million dollar deals, stuff like that. It's all high school. It's all high school. All people want when they're online is they want likes. We want admiration.

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And that drive is just an internal human drive to want to be liked. And so I know that if I'm creating – if I know like a specific type of search term has a high volume and I know it's controversial and I know it will get me likes – I'll create content around that even if I don't necessarily agree with it. And that's kind of the problem with TikTok.

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And that's why I think why kids should not be allowed on social media because now they're not formulating their own ideas. They're creating actions. They're wearing clothes. They're doing dances. They're making statements that might be controversial. conflict with the way they really feel or act as a human just so that they can get likes, just so they can get the cheap likes.

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And it's, I don't know, I don't want my kids on social media, but I know I was going to Panera Bread the other day and I saw there were these two young girls, they're maybe like 10, 12 years old. They set up their phone and they were doing dances in their phone. I was like, man, the father here just abdicated his responsibility. And we have an entire generation that's growing up that way.

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But why did Trump reverse course on this? That, I think, is interesting. Because he was definitely a ban TikTok, and now he's a don't ban TikTok.

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And the courts were like, no, it was, I mean, this bill was signed back in April.

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Right. Supreme court. Yeah.

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I mean, it's got 170 million users.

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How would you feel about that, Elon coming in and buying TikTok, buying the platform?

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It makes me a little bit nervous.

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These guys, they pressured me. We didn't want to. In Zuck's defense, like I... I've never had the entire federal government jamming down my throat. Like he's a software nerd. He's not like a visionary in the same way that Elon is, you know?

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Well, the other thing that happens, you know, I'm in new media. I own a media agency. We're producing thousands and thousands of pieces of content every month for YouTubers, podcasters, et cetera, is traditional media. The views are way down. Like nobody is watching MSNBC. Nobody's watching CNN anymore.

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Yeah.

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But I think that's why Zuck is coming out. He's like, oh, actually, Elon has... He's not a leader. He's following Elon's lead. You know what I mean? Maybe he's just doing it because it's popular now to be free speech, pro-free speech. Absolutely. I don't know. When you've got...

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irs the fbi you're getting hauled in front of congress multiple times like i'm sure he was like maybe i just need to play ball with these guys just so they leave me alone the problem with that mentality is they're coming for you you can play ball you want but they're you know they'll find something if they want you but but i didn't see him do anything on well i guess when elon musk came in and grabbed x and started you know the problem with

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You know, it's kind of funny. As a business owner, I think about, like, why do we do what we do? And one of the things you see about Elon is every business that he's involved with has huge vision. You look at X, free speech, pretty big deal. SpaceX, let's become an interplanetary species. What's his internet, satellite internet company?

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Starlink. Starlink, right. Internet everywhere for everyone, right? Tesla, you know, save the planet and autonomous vehicles. Autonomous vehicles.

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The robots.

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So everything he sees is so big. I don't know that Zuckerberg's vision is that big. Zuckerberg's vision is... you know facebook face smash you know i i don't know i don't know his last good idea was facebook um you know yeah well that's according to the movie he took it from the week it was it was his oh you're right in the movie he stole from the wink of australia and that was and that was um

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That's what it's claimed in the movie and the book. I think it's claimed in the movie and the book and everything.

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I've, I've learned this in business that ideas are cheap. It's the execution that matters.

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Well, well, and that's, that's the point. I think that these big organizations are saying people aren't watching us through traditional cable or dish or whatever. We're going to say, we're going to start putting much larger emphasis on YouTube and new media. And so not only are they funneling a lot more of their content focus there, they're funneling millions and millions of dollars to promote.

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Yeah. Yeah. People are having withdrawals.

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Well, and I don't want to sound... Callous? Callous. Fuck them. Fuck them. Is that it? What I do think is that sometimes you win, sometimes you learn. But I think it is important to recognize that if you're making, let's say, 90% of your income from one source as an influencer or an online... as a digital business owner, online business, you're, you're exposed.

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You're exposed. If you're relying solely on Tik TOK or solely on YouTube, like I'm not saying you don't have income there, but you need to have other, um, you need to have other avenues of reaching your audience. You know, you, uh, Your friend probably needs to have an email list. He needs to be driving the lead magnet. He needs to be engaging via newsletter. Probably needs an Instagram.

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And I realize, by the way, that it's hard to be great at everything, but we need to have multiple verticals. We need to have multiple ways of reaching our audience.

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And, and, you know, that's what I hope happens. It definitely sends shockwaves. I mean, is most of my clients were really focused on YouTube and now a lot of people that were on Tik TOK are going to come over to YouTube.

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I'll give you an example. I was running a, a promotion for a client of mine and, Matt, we spent $100 promoting videos. We picked up 3,000 subscribers in two weeks. So $100, 3,000 subscribers plus sending traffic to the newsletter, there's, I think, a huge opportunity there for an organization, big traditional news organizations see that. And then what happens?

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But I mean, that's one of the problems I think with, with any sort of government regulation is it might seem good in this case, like, like the Patriot act after nine 11, like, all right, cool. We need to mass surveillance is necessary because we need to protect ourselves from terrorists, but there's no, you're not putting the genie back in the bottle on that one. Do you know?

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This is actually, for me, the last voting, the last election, that was the most important. That was the most important topic to me, for me, was how do we reduce the size, the scope, the spending? This might be the only chance in our lifetime to ever get someone like an Elon who can go in there with Doge and say, hey, we're going to start gutting government spending and reducing expenditure.

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Well, because what happens with government agencies is they they they have an allocated budget for the year. Let's say it's I don't know, twenty five million dollars for this twenty five million dollars allocated to our budget for this year. You have to spend that money. Yeah. If you don't spend all the money in that year, let's say you only spend 20 out of the 25 million.

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Next year, when it comes time to allocate more budget, they say, oh, well, you only needed 20 last year, so we're only going to allocate 20. You just lost $5 million. They only grow. They only grow. They only grow. No agency is going to say, you know what? We can be more cost effective.

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Yeah, they bloat. And this is not just a government problem. It's any organization. Businesses go through this too. You have the innovators who innovate. They put systems in place and then the bureaucrats come in and they say, well, when you put regulations, we need to slow it down. And then before you know it, there's a sea of bloat. And I mean, I'm excited about the future.

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I don't know that we've ever seen this type of opportunity to try to reduce the size and scope of

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of these massive spending organizations we're just gonna we're spending ourselves into oblivion yeah you know then there needs so that's kind of exciting but i'm always i'm at the same time i the idea of having uh like someone like elon for example love what he did with x but what if he took over tiktok and then he's got tiktok and then you know too much power accumulated around one person is facebook has instagram and facebook

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Well, now it's harder for independent creators like us. to be at the top of the page because you've got huge organizations like CNN's MSNBC is coming in pouring in hundreds of millions of dollars to be at the top of the top of the charts.

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Yeah.

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Competition.

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By the way, this is something that really bothers me when I hear young people say, well, I can't have kids because the world is too screwed up. I think that is the biggest cop-out. Just admit it. You're scared. You're scared to have kids. You're afraid of the responsibility. You want to just drop dopamine on your phone all day. That is, I think, the biggest cop-out.

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People, to your point, are the same now as we were. 10 years, 100 years, 1,000 years ago, we're still the same. We're still selfish human beings that want what we want all the time. Right now, it just so happens now because of technology and phones and whatnot that we can actually get what we want all the time wherever we are.

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So, you know, it's going to be really interesting to see how news plays out, um, on these new, on these new platforms or on these, on these new, um, distribution channels.

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You don't have purpose.

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And honestly, I don't even like necessarily to throw shade at Gen Z. Which not necessarily saying that you are, but a lot of people will make comments like, oh, kids these days, they don't get it. But, you know, when I go to the playground, for example, with my kids, all the adults there, every single one of them is always glued to their phone.

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They're not actually being present there spending time with their kid, right? It's not just a young person issue. It's a human issue. And, you know, it is interesting. We're the last generation that grew up without the internet, you know, because when I grew up, there was no internet. I remember getting a Nintendo, an NES, and playing Duck Hunt and stuff. I had Atari. Atari. I played Pong.

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Which was cool, but you were like, all right, no, it was cool. I'm going to go outside and play. Yeah. For a little bit. But now the Internet, it's just kind of interesting. And our kids, my kids, are probably going to be the last generation to grow up without robots walking around. And so it's just things are moving. Things are moving super fast.

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I think that's what will happen. Elon said the other day that there's a 20% chance that AI destroys humanity, but it's probably still worth pursuing. I was like... That's funny. I don't like those eyes. Yeah, I don't feel like that. He's probably just being tongue-in-cheek about it, you know, but... Let's hope. Let's hope.

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Americans are going to be in for a rough surprise here in the next five years because it's easier to outsource overseas. Almost all my teams working overseas, some of them are expatriates that are in the military. But almost all my employees are overseas. We're using AI to enhance their efficiency all over the place. And Americans aren't ready.

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They're not ready to see robotics, AI, and outsourcing. take over all these roles, but it's happening. It's going to happen. But in this, I think at least, you know, you talk about mission and vision is, is really, you know, what I'm trying to do from a mission standpoint is trying to encourage people to, It's all doom and gloom. Test the chat GPT. Trust but verify. Leverage these new tools.

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Experiment with new things. Hire a virtual assistant. Do what you got to do to stay relevant because things are going to move fast. The most risky thing you can do right now, I think, is be comfortable in the job that you have. That is the most risky thing you can do because things are going to move quick and you could very easily become obsolete if you're not evolving.

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There you go. It's like a zombie apocalypse. Absolutely. There's a good chance that a lot of these sci-fi movies are out there. Like I robot, uh, the matrix even like those might actually turn out to be reality at some point. I robot particularly, or ready player one, you know, all the, all these movies are.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Interesting.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, cause that's traditionally what he's been.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You cannot hurt a human, cannot my mission of action, harm a human.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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We have radiation from the sun every day.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I... Personally, I think it's U.S. military. U.S. military testing. And, you know, there is a possibility there could be some sort of like a boiling pot syndrome going on, right? So we start introducing drone surveillance and we just... We are peppering them in. People get used to seeing drones in the news, drones in the news, drones in the news. All of a sudden, there's a bill that passes.

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But it's a fascinating thought exercise. It is. And I'm – the idea of having robots that can make my life so much easier is a no-brainer, I think. And obviously there's going to be challenges associated with it, but it's going to happen. It's going to make our lives a lot better. And I think the –

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more equipped and more open and the more curious we are to take advantage of these opportunities, the more successful we're going to be. And we will find purpose. So that's again, you know, what I'm really working on is trying to help people get, get on board and, and, uh, enjoy this stuff.

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I'm cautiously optimistic. I mean, It doesn't serve me to worry about the end of the world because, you know, we talk about humans being the same. It's always been the end of the world. There's always been someone saying the end is nigh. There are certainly some major risks involved with robots, but I'm here for it. I'm excited about it. I think it's going to make our lives a lot better.

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You know, that's what I think. But I do also think that probably within the next 10 years, you're going to rather have an EMP gun than you are like a 9mm or .45. You're going to want to have an EMP on site. You can't have a gun at all. I'm a felon. I'm a Second Amendment guy, so I would say that's probably not fair. It's not fair.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, we're preparing people for the next phase of humanity. So I feel good about it. I feel good about being here and jamming.

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All of a sudden, you've got drones all over the place surveilling 5G all over the place. So I would probably say it's more of a psy-op to kind of – Did you acclimate it to the environment to see these things?

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Well, the theory there is kind of like you mentioned before. They're trying to find radioactive material. It's easier to find radioactive material at night. But I don't have a specific theory on that. I definitely don't think it's UFOs or aliens or anything like that. I don't think it's UFOs.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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We have to watch this movie. It sounds great.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, the problem is more and more conspiracy theories, quote-unquote, turn out to be true. It's like, oh, well, it opens you up to believing more of these conspiracy theories. Like the Wuhan lab, quote-unquote, conspiracy theory. Now it's kind of like, oh, obviously there was a Wuhan lab leak.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He's like, I'm fucking paying like $1,000 a month for these kids.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I was going to say, I have lunch with her. I'd be like, that's my house.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I don't know what you're talking about.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You still kept going.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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There's always those people.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That person, dude, he's a scam artist. He's a scumbag. He says, yes, yes, yes. All those things.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Absolutely.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You have to do some time. I said, what were you thinking I was going to say? You get to steal $3 million and you get probation? It was $3 million and I thought I could get two years probation or three years probation. I could fucking rob a bank right now. Everybody would do it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Guys are like, you know, oh, it's too loud for you. Bond out, motherfucker. That's your fish. You should have got yourself here.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Should have thought about that when you were robbing that bank. When you was conning all them people, Cox, you should have thought about that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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We had no AC. Who doesn't have AC in federal prison? Danbury Federal Prison.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I didn't even want to.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Get away from the windows.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, what a little, what a little.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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She stopped herself saying stupid podcast.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Crime Stories Gone Wrong: Meet the Worst Dealer in America

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Tell me about like where were you born?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So what, um, so then you, you cleaned your life up. You, you went on, you, you went, you went to college, you got it. You, you start, you struck, you went straight. You've been straight. Everything's good. You got kids, you're the wife, you're, you're living in a big house and everything's good. Yeah. No. No. Not even close, man. That was a close call. You got out of it. Yeah. Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Until they go away. All right. Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Sorry. I was going to say, especially after all that time, like if that was an issue, why did you tell me that when you got out of the car?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know what I mean? You're not a great You're not a good drug dealer, I mean.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Did you tell the cops that you just been through this? Like, I've been through this, fellas. I'm in the middle of this whole thing right now. They knew. They knew.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, oh, yeah. Or low-level drugs, and you're like, what am I doing in here with the killer?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'm just picking up some bread.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You have to walk in the door and you have to let them know, hey, I know that you guys have some rules, but I was raised upper middle class.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I mean, I used to say, yeah, that's, that, those rules, that doesn't apply to me. Exactly. Yeah, that doesn't apply to me. No. That applies to the little people. Yeah. Not me. Yeah, not me.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, wrong. So I went. He's not looking out for me. Yeah. He wants me to smoke this dope. Yeah. He wants me to sell this drug.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They typically don't want to issue you a passport.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. You have a couple of days off. Yeah. They grab you and throw you in jail. You can, you know, keep the paperwork with you.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So I roll out of the tanning bed, I'm smoking a cigarette, and I look down, and there's a mole on my leg.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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hey this is matt cox and i am here with jax he is a he is a recovering uh addict and former felon and so so this is uh we've been talking on the phone and texting and uh he told me a story and i thought it was pretty interesting so i asked him if he'd come on the program so check this out Hey, guys, how you doing? All right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And using this as an excuse, she probably went to meet somebody and went through her system and she probably made bank.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. Well, she'd have died on my feet. In the woods, in her rented rental car, probably with that book sitting beside her.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'm papers.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I mean, he seemed, you know, the thing about guys like this is they seem cool to hang out with. Dude, I am cool. Cause then you realize like after a few hours, you're like, well, this is the maniac.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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A couple years?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And you probably say, he probably, you know, he may have died two weeks later or something. You probably extended his life, probably helped his dad out. His dad, if he saw you to this day, would probably thank you. Well, I am an angel.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'll take somebody upbeat that can tell their story instead, as opposed to somebody who's monotone. and tells this fantastical crime story, but they're monotone, and you're just like, Jesus, bro, this is horrible. Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Hey, I appreciate you guys. I'm not even looking at the thing. Sorry. Hey, I appreciate you guys watching, and do me a favor, check out my Patreon. Also, all of my book links are in the description, and I'm going to put in all of my book trailers. Yep, that's all I can think of right now.

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Oh, if you like the video, do me a favor, hit the subscribe button, hit the bell so you get notified, share the video, and leave a comment. And yeah, that's it. I appreciate it. See ya.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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If you saw anything you like, links to all the books are in the description box.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So, I mean, I know we heard it's funny because when we talked, you we talked and you were like, I don't know if it's, you know, I don't know how much, you know, I can talk about it and how much of a story it was. And then like 45 minutes later. Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Um, okay. Well, what are you working on now?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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How old were you?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, man.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right, right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And they died. They died.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You're like, that's what that was. That was a concrete factory.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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The Nobel. Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Criminal Accountant Stumbles Upon Unlimited Cash Hack

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But these are guys, this is their real social security number, their real ID. It's really them. It's not like they were going out and getting...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, I mean, they had that program where they were getting people to open up bank accounts because they were getting fees. And the more bank accounts you had, the more fees they could charge.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Uh, yeah, but okay. So, but you know what you're doing is illegal.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So when they come in, they raid you. Did they arrest you?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'm saying, did they arrest you? No. They let you go.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Did they take your car away?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So what happened? Did you get a lawyer? Did you just kick back?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So what happened? Ultimately, you get a letter, or they called you, or they just come pick you up?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You said it took four years before you got what? Sentenced?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right, well, I'm saying like when you, they send you a letter or something saying, hey, can you, you know, you knew, hey, I got to show up at this time. I'm going to plead guilty.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like what happened?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. You know. Well, so so so they gave you a lawyer.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Nice.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So how much time did you end up getting?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. Wow. Um, yeah, you're, you get pricks in, you know, every profession, but a lot of lawyers can definitely be assholes. Um, so, all right. So you went to the, what, what did the camp and you know, what happened? You, you got there the first day.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Were you selling drugs or just buying them?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. But I mean, I was nothing that had like that stuff. The nice thing is, is, you know, you're either participating in it and you're not, and I just don't participate in anything. Um, I just, you know, I had a job and you know, you, when I went to the medium, really the medium and the low, like you're, I'm a white collar guy, a white, white collar guy who's college educated and

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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who speaks well and so you know you become kind of an authority where they don't want to mess with you because they might need you to hey can you read over my paperwork can you help me write something can you help me figure out how to do this can you teach a teach a course can you can i ask you a question so you know you're you're like a non-enemy combatant in a war zone like there's people shooting each other and or stabbing each other and getting into fights and

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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but it has nothing to do with me. You're just, I'm just walking through the middle of it and they all kind of just move around me and, you know, they're not interested in having a problem with, with me because that guy's got nothing to do with what we got going on. So, you know, that was three years at the medium.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And then when I went to the camp, it was pretty much the same thing at the camp, except it's a better, it's a less violent crowd. Although when I went to the low, when I went to the low, when I went from the medium to the low, I meant, when I went from the medium to the low, like the low is a less violent crowd. But it's funny because people got, they were still stabbing each other there.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They were, it just wasn't as frequent or as I want to say as brutal, but be honest, I saw some really bloody stuff at the, at the low, but it just didn't happen as much.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I don't know why people do that. I knew a guy that was a recovering alcoholic who bought a bar within six months. He's. He's drinking again, and six months later, the bar is gone. It's like, why would you have put yourself in that situation to begin with?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. It's stuff that you brought on yourself. Like it's not like random,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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fights well that's not true at the um at the low one time this guy attacked another guy like it was it was actually comical so this i mean the way it worked out like this guy had snitched so there was these two guys were on the same case and this guy snitched on this guy so this guy goes away for like 15 years this guy gets like three years goes through gets out

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Catches another charge, gets himself like whatever, seven, eight, nine, ten years, goes back to prison. But when he gets there, they ask, have you cooperated against anybody? He said no, because on that case, he hadn't. So he was an understanding that they're saying, look, is there somebody in this prison that might want to hurt you?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And so he was what? But they'd say what they did. Have you do you have a separatist on anybody? Have you cooperated against anybody? He was like, oh, no, I didn't cooperate against anybody. on that case. So they put him on the yard.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, this guy who's still doing time for the first sentence, first crime sees him and goes and like, it's a, it gets like a lock, you know, it gets a lock and a sock and ties it around his arm, his wrist and comes up and then finds him in the wreck yard and just brow, brow, just beats the hell out of him, beats him bloody.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And the guy, you know, of course he's sitting there like, you know, he had, he had no clue that, Hey, yeah, that guy from, seven, eight years ago that you cooperated against is still doing that time. So, you know, to him, that was like, oh, that's long gone. No, not for him. And it's not. So anyway. Yeah. So you saw stuff like that that would happen.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, they have them. But, you know, it's like, you know, run like, I don't know, even You know, at a low like it's basically like these guys are associated with this gang. These guys are associated with that one. But I just didn't pay attention to any of that has nothing to do with me. And so I never went to a camp. I'm sure there's even less of that at the camp.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So so. you go through high school. Did you ever get in trouble in high school? No, no trouble.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So you did like what, three years?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Plus you had good time.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That's why whenever people, that's why I always say 13 years because I was in the halfway house for seven months. And to be honest with you, I'd have rather been in prison.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It's the same way. Like, I'm glad I went to the halfway house. Like I would have rather stayed in prison, but I'm glad I went because I needed to get a job and save some money. But it was worse being at the halfway house than it was being in.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know, I was going to say, I mean, plus not just that, like their child, their their their child molesters. So you're an adult woman. You're fine.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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At your age, you're OK. So so you did that. You got out. Where'd you go when you left halfway house?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So the YouTube channel, you thought, hey, it might be a good fit for you. You've been putting up videos.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And, you know, how do you go from smoking pot to smoking crack?

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Yeah. It's just about people helping people.

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All right, I feel like we're at the end of our rope here. Hey, if you like the video, do me a favor and hit the subscribe button, hit the bell so you get notified of videos like this. Leave me a message in the comment section and I will return them. If you want to email me, my email address is in the description box. Colby will leave the link to Sean's YouTube channel in the description box.

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Thank you very much. I appreciate you guys watching.

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Pierre Rossini, in the 1990s, was a 20-something-year-old Los Angeles-based drug trafficker of ecstasy and ice. He and his associates drove luxury European supercars, lived in Beverly Hills penthouses, and dated Playboy models while dodging federal indictments. Then, two FBI officers with the Organized Crime Drug Enforcement Task Force entered the picture.

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Dirty agents willing to fix cases and identify informants. Suddenly, two of Rossini's associates, confidential informants working with federal law enforcement, were murdered. Everyone pointed to Rossini. As his co-defendants prepared for trial, U.S. Attorney Robert Mueller sat down to debrief Rossini at Leavenworth Penitentiary. And another story emerged.

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A tale of FBI corruption and complicity in murder. You see, Pierre Rossini knew something that no one else knew. truth. And Robert Mueller and the federal government have been covering it up to this very day. Devil Exposed, a twisted tale of drug trafficking, corruption, and murder in the City of Angels. Available on Amazon and Audible.

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Matthew B. Cox is a conman incarcerated in the Federal Bureau of Prisons for a variety of bank fraud-related scams. Despite not having a drug problem, Cox inexplicably ends up in the prison's residential drug abuse program, known as RDAP, a drug program in name only.

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RDAP is an invasive behavior modification therapy specifically designed to correct the cognitive thinking errors associated with criminal behavior. The program is a nonfiction dark comedy which chronicles Cox's side-splitting journey. This first-person account is a fascinating glimpse at the survivor-like atmosphere inside of the government-sponsored rehabilitation unit.

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While navigating the treachery of his backstabbing peers, Cox simultaneously manipulates prison policies and the bumbling staff every step of the way. The program. How a conman survived the Federal Bureau of Prisons cult of RDAP. Available now on Amazon and Audible.

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If you saw anything you like, links to all the books are in the description box.

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Hey, this is Matt Cox, and I'm here with Sean Cowgill. Got out a few years ago, started a prison channel. He was locked up for wire fraud, and he's got an interesting story, which we're about to hear. So check it out.

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Okay, so how long did that go on for you?

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And that went on for 10 years. What about that? So how old were you at that point?

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But you're not, you weren't selling it.

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So how does that lead into your, I mean, were you ever arrested for it?

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And they did find crack.

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They'd be different if they didn't find anything.

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All right. So so what happens? I mean, you're running out of money. You're you're getting you're losing jobs. You're getting jobs again. You're getting, you know, periodically getting yourself back on your feet.

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Three years. So you've been out three years.

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All right. So what were you doing to support your habit toward that got you in trouble at some point?

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Yeah.

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So how, how, how did you like, what was the first like fraud that you were committing?

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When you say credit card fraud, what do you mean? Like how did that, how does that work?

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Using forgeries and bogus identities, Matthew B. Cox, one of the most ingenious con men in history, built America's biggest banks out of millions. Despite numerous encounters with bank security, state and federal authorities, Cox narrowly, and quite luckily, avoided capture for years. Eventually, he topped the U.S. Secret Service's most wanted list and led the U.S.

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All right. So what, I mean, where were you? Were you raised in Florida?

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Marshals, FBI, and Secret Service on a three-year chase, while jet-setting around the world with his attractive female accomplices. Cox has been declared one of the most prolific mortgage fraud con artists of all time by CNBC's American Greed. Bloomberg Businessweek called him the mortgage industry's worst nightmare, while Dateline NBC described Cox as a gifted forger and silver-tongued liar.

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Playboy magazine proclaimed his scam was real estate fraud, and he was the best. Shark in the Housing Pool is Cox's exhilarating first-person account of his stranger-than-fiction story. Available now on Amazon and Audible.

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So you were born in San Francisco. Yeah. And... Um, just normal childhood.

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And so it's kind of like the theme is forgive and live in the movie. So these people are each being, you know –

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provoked to look at their own worst regrets and can you forgive yourself or ask for forgiveness or and live or not so yeah so it's kind of a yeah a deep theme here it's just a scary movie yeah right we thought we just killed shopping people it is very psychological and people came out like whoa like i'm looking at my life now it's more in the vein of like six cents

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Well, it's like Sixth Sense.

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And all of those distribution companies, their format is to acquire like 200 movies a year, throw them all on a platform and see what sticks.

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So that's the thing, even with a producer's rep, even, you know, with sending the full movie to different distribution, you still don't have a chance because you're trying to get through the gatekeepers. Do you have to even watch the movie? What are they looking for the, for their slots that they're trying to fill and their business model, you know, it's like a whole thing.

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And we just thought, oh, if we make a good movie, you know, and it has great audience feedback, you know.

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It's so crazy. That's only a small part. So we went with this Good Deeds cranked up film distribution.

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And they loved that Carl was a comedian and had that side too. Cause they wanted, they, they've been doing comedy specials as well. And they loved the whole idea of touring around and.

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Who booked us at University Mall.

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And by then we'll have reviews. We'll have, you know, a theatrical run.

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Well, Carl sold his car. I emptied out my retirement.

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We've gone all in.

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And, of course, we're like Mar-Vell? Yeah.

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Well, to be honest, I think commitment is so huge. Like people buy into this committed person, you know, who's so passionate. This is all he's focused on, you know, and it feels like a safe bet, you know? Right. It's like the two of us make a good team. And so I think that's what they buy into is like, these are good people. And this guy is like crazy committed and super talented.

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So we were on set for four weeks, which is a long time for an independent film, but we knew we just needed time to learn and figure out stuff, and so we wanted to give... give us our team that set that set amount of time. So anyway, the first week it was like, again, mutiny on set, everything was going wrong. People are complaining. Like it was just, oh my goodness, you know, it's so hard anyway.

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And we're trying to find another actor to replace and this, that, the other, you know, so much pressure on us because we're producing and everything too.

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Thank God. Again, thank God that we, again, for this commitment, because I think by the second week, the whole cast and crew, they were like, you know what? We, we, see how committed you are and how hard you're working. And it made everyone want to step up and, and, you know, go the extra mile. And I think if we hadn't have had that, we wouldn't have what we have in this movie.

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It's just everyone did more than expected.

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But again, it's your vision, your commitment to it.

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Well, I think to the overwhelming feedback we've received from all the test screenings and it's, you know, the theme is I was surprised, you know, like one, how good the story was and two, it wasn't what I thought it was going to be.

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But anyway, that's the case.

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That'd be amazing.

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And then hopefully they can cross promote each other. Yeah.

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This is please sign the petition to save the Christmas tree.

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I think it would be satisfying for people who roll their eyes at Hallmark movies.

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One of our neighbors went to the screening, and now he's like, yeah. I'm kind of nervous around Carl.

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I was like, did you bury it under a rock?

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Well, I see it as this. It's such a cool evolution, honestly, because it's like you're chasing money. You're running from the insecurities that are nipping at your heels constantly. And now you full circle and you've made money. the pain, your purpose, and you're in like this really cool authentic place.

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And honestly, I think this is like the lesson of the ages that everyone, when you get to that authentic place of, you know, making your pain, your purpose, that's, That's the money spot right there.

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You went to school for marine biology. Yeah, and I'm a comic.

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To your inspiration point, Carl's working on a bit about how positive people are so annoying. So annoying. I think it'll hit.

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They can't handle hecklers. Yeah.

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I don't think it's a learned... But you have to have some kind of... to read a room and to have self-awareness and to know when to pivot and to know how to manage a crowd.

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All in the moment.

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Bob was like, I want to talk to him.

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Carl did come back and say that stuff.

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It was like the Beatles. A couple years ago. Beatlemania. All these girls in crop tops. But that weekend he was there.

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He said something about Ukraine.

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Pretty packed out, like lined up for a mile. All young girls. All young girls and their mothers.

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Like he would just touch his hair. And the girls were like. It's like you couldn't even.

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So that was the biggest check he ever had.

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but this is the insanity of fame like you get fame and people it's like this thing that people all aspire to or want or need or it's like a gambling addiction or yeah like they want to be around you if somebody's popular yeah and she's partnered with

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Well, this is right before Carl's going to shoot his special. So he was trying to get a lot of time to work out his things to get ready for his special. And it's like, this is so humbling.

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No, he came out of his shell on stage. He came out of his shell.

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I think he got a pass because of his age. You know, it's like, oh, well, that's cute.

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Sorry, I missed the behind-the-scenes story. What? How were you in prison?

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Trying to prove yourself.

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But I've stood in the back and watched Carl on stage and then the headliners standing back with me and they're like agitated. They're like, get him off, get him off early, get him off early. Like he's too good. And then, you know, he brings the energy so high that the headliner can't continue that. Yeah. So it's like quick, quick, get them off.

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That was going to be my next question. Is it like a gambling high or is it like these people are stupid and I'm just going to keep Because I feel guilty for nothing. Like, I could do nothing, and I'm still like, what did I do?

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It's, like, kind of amazing, this psyche.

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Well, no, I had a cop, like, light up right behind me, and I was like, what did I do? And I'm, like, under the, you know, and I'm guilty, but then he passes me. But I was still, like, questioning, like, what did I do? Clearly I did something.

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That is a lot to keep track of.

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Are you up and up in this job? What is that code for?

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It was a therapy session. It was a therapy. It was.

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Like, first of all, you have a brilliant mind. They should be interviewing you. Where's my wife?

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Like, like a, excuse me. I know a guy who robbed, sent it.

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You're like, I'm going to need a sandwich.

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You're like, maybe.

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He were a fanny pack.

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He were a fanny pack. Yeah.

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Bring them tonight.

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We have made it. Last night, it was funny. There was, like, a whole family, and they had shirts on. What did it say? Oh, yeah. The fun family. Forced family fun. Yeah. Shirts. I mean, it was funny. And then there was this kid. And Carl's, you know, like... you're the grandma, you're the mom. Okay. Like figuring out everybody's family. And then, oh, you're the grandson.

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There's a price to pay. It's far more than 40 or- It's gonna be more than shoes, bro.

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There is a price.

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I need my own TV.

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And he kept like going to the grandson. Okay. Grandson. And then finally he's like, what's your name? And Zach. Okay. Nice stash, you know, whatever. Turns out he plays for the Cardinals. Like he's a professional pitcher for the Cardinals. And I'm like, you know, I'm on Wikipedia. It was cool.

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That's a new demographic.

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Well, there's more to that story, too. Yeah. Yeah. No, there was. There was.

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I feel like there could be a comedy show, prison show.

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But you know how like MASH, it was such a hit. And that's like in a war situation and they made it, you know, there were so many funny elements in the middle of a stressful, you know what I mean? Like I could see this being the next MASH.

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Do you have to do hashtags too?

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It's adapting to the culture. This is how we consume information these days. It's like.

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And that's what I wanted to ask you too. Okay. Really last question.

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This is amazing. We also have Patreon. What was your turning point? Like where you were like.

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Well, no, but you could be there like hustling in prison too.

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They need to come to the comedy show. Oh, yeah.

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You could have been hustling in prison though and could have been doing your thing or whatever. But what like changed you as a man that you come out of prison? Like, okay.

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No, no. Yeah, we've all seen it.

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No, I think you'll like our movie. And you have to watch the movie Dragged Across Concrete.

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Oh, you would love it. I've been thinking about that the whole time.

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Well, I love Vince Vaughn.

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It's Dirty Cops, but you have, you have. Is this new? No.

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You have understanding for why they chose to be Dirty Cops, you know? And so you're like rooting for them. Yeah. And it's amazing. It's so well done.

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He was fine. This is why I say.

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Just getting to know you, I think you would love it. Okay.

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No, this is why I say you have to be changed because you wouldn't be married in a good relationship.

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Your audience would love it too. It's so good.

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Because a woman needs security.

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Tell your Santa story. That's like the perfect picture of your life. Yeah.

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This is the picture of Carl on a cruise.

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Well, right out of the gate, someone steals seven grand from us. Steals seven grand.

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And, again, it just left us, like, scratching our heads, like, shoot, you know, who do you trust and who can you trust? And it's, like, a big project. Yeah, and I wanted to kill this guy.

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This is, again, why you hear so many people, like, they're making a movie and then you never see it. Because it's so freaking hard to, like, get a team and get it going.

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Come check out the movie. We'll go.

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unmarked building yeah it's like the the movie theater's nice sketchy neighborhood i know where university mall is i grew up in temple terrace oh you do right near yeah it's like a sketch like we were like is this place even open there's there's the adult store adult you know and then the salvation army and then a burned out building and then the theater's behind all of that

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We were a little like nervous walking, like trying to figure out where it was. But then the actual theater is nice.

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Everything has been a crazy story.

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But, We also, so in the, so we filmed in 2021 since then we've been doing test screenings. So we've actually had it in front of maybe 1200 people.

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Cause Carl would do comedy shows and then invite people to come and be in the audience and give feedback. We've done questionnaires. We've, You know, it's been good because like one scene, we actually redid the whole scene because a question kept coming up over and over and over with all these audiences. It's like, we just have to redo this scene. It's not hitting the way we want it to.

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And, you know, and then we did it and then people were like, whoa. And we're like, okay, that's the reaction we wanted. Good.

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We took it seriously. We took our time. We got audience feedback. I mean, grown men cried. We were like, oh, okay, whoa, this is amazing. Yeah, it's an emotional. But it's really like it kind of hones in on the theme of, you know, it's like the difference between guilt and shame. Guilt is I did something bad, and shame is I am bad, and you feel unforgivable.

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Well, I just find what the next level is.

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I was going to say, which is... You know, like you said, you watch it on TV, and people think, oh, I could do that. No, you can't. They spot you in a second. I used to joke around, you know, with the guys in prison. Like, you know, we'd just be walking, and they'd see me, and they'd say, hey, Cox, what's up? And I'd go, I can't call it. And they'd just start laughing. They'd go, stop.

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I'd go, what are you talking about? I did that good. They'd go, no, it's even worse when you do it. Yeah. They're like, you're not even close. You can't come close to pulling out. And you can't. You just can't fake that. You know, it's hard. It's a real, you really have to become an actor to be able to fake. That's true. To be able to fake that. You have to be good at it. It takes time.

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It takes time. You got to practice it.

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Right. I was going to say the informant thing. I'm I'm researching a story right now. And it's like it's funny. You know, you do all the incident reports. You read through the incident reports. And the first thing they do, like literally, obviously, this guy got busted. You know, he got he got busted. I think he got no, he got busted for I think it was for a gun, actually.

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And then he goes and he makes them. They have him make a couple of meth buys. You know, and just, he's just wired, like, he's just wired. They're just control bodies. Then they have him eventually introduce, you know, his boss. Right.

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which is the undercover, then the undercover goes with him on a couple of buys, then just the undercover buys, and then they cut the informant out, and to me, having been in prison, I realized that the problem is, you can't let him keep buying, you can't let the informant keep buying, because first of all, he's unreliable, he's got a record, and then what happens if he gets busted for something else,

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You know, you can't put him on the stand like it was since then. You've been busted for this and this. And he has a huge incentive to lie, and the agent doesn't. So, you know, you want to put him on the stand. You want it to be the agent. That's right. A clean jacket. He introduced me. Here's what I did. I bought a kilo over the course of the next month.

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I'm sorry. I don't even know what that is, but here's the funny thing about it. Since I'm speaking with you, is my wife's ex-boyfriend was arrested for he had a dispute with a guy Over, I'm pretty sure, I think it was drugs or something. And he made a bomb. Oh, no. And left it for the guy. It didn't go off. Oh, my gosh. That's crazy. But he ended up going to jail for it.

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And, like, he's on, like, the no-fly list. And so every time I get a package and I walk out, my first thought when I see the package is, please let this guy, please let this really be from Amazon. And I keep, you know, it's so funny because sometimes I get deliveries and it's, you're not, it's like, it's just, it's just there. And I always, I don't unwrap it.

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My girlfriend comes in, I'm like, you're unlocking, you're opening that.

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I actually had a friend that was making a pipe bomb when he was like 15, 16 years old, and it exploded, blew his hands off, The shrapnel, like he bled out within a minute. Oh no. But he died and you know, just a kid, just being stupid, you know, thought it was cool, had made a couple small ones, and just playing, never once thinking to himself, like, hey, this could be it.

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You understand what you're playing with, right? Like, this isn't a joke.

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Well, I live off, I live off 56, you know, 54 turns into 56 though. But yeah, it's even further. Like it's a 15 minute drive to 75 from where I live. It's like living in the Truman show though. I mean, it's the houses are, everything's brand new. Everything's underground. You know, all the houses look, I mean, it's, it's a great, it's, it's a great area.

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Like everybody, it's funny on, on my street, There's two sheriff's deputies. There's like an insurance salesman. There's a couple of bankers. I'm the riffraff on the street. You're not too far from Land O'Lakes either then.

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So what, what? I think it was testing me. Right. So why would you go? Why? If, if the AK wasn't in there, they showed up later. Like, why am I going in the trail? Like, why, what do you think they were trying to get you in the trailer for?

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I don't think of Zephyr Hills and things like that at all. I mean, it's very, you know, rural. Like, you know what I'm saying?

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Yeah. And they're not afraid to kill. Yeah, they're brutal. They're brutal. Brutal. El Mayo, which was Chapo's, basically started the Sinaloa, right? And then El Chapo kind of came in right after. But I was going to say, El Mayo, like, I heard that he still drives like an old, he's, he's worth, you know, billions and billions, you know, whatever. And he still drives an old pickup truck.

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That's smart. Around town. Like, you know, like he's not, you know, he lives in a, you know, different places. And, you know, same thing with El Chavo. He's always, all he's really, He's really good at surviving.

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He was up until the United States got him, you know, but he was really good at, at surviving, you know, through brutality and just forth thinking, like always on the escape route, always be thinking, don't all keep staying in the same place, change, change locations, you know. That's what El Chapo was nicknamed also El Rapido, the quick one.

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Unbelievable. Now, you know what's funny about that? I had read that like the area that was where the prison is, it was actually the new generation that was in charge of digging, even though they're rivals. of digging the tunnel.

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Yeah, that, you know, listen, they don't care. El Chapo didn't even know who he was. Like, he's probably thinking, well, my celebrity will probably help me a little bit or keep me safe a little bit. No, it won't. He didn't even know who you are. No, no.

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Not escape a third time. They obviously realized, like, look, we're just not going to be able to keep this guy here. We have to send him to the United States.

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Very sad. I think... You know, it's funny, like I first of all, people are always, you know, oh, the you know, like the U.S. government's corrupt. Like, look, there's some corruption here and there. You have no idea what it's like in other countries. That's true. In other countries.

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But if and not just that, it's like, look, you're paying your police officer in Mexico making six or seven hundred dollars a month. Nothing. Nothing. That's nothing like like I get it. You shouldn't you know, you shouldn't be involved in corruption. You should be. But it's hard not to be not only for the money, but it's dangerous.

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Like if you end up being a cop like it's it's kind of like the the the what was it? Shoot. I was going to say what there was a movie about it. Yeah. El Cholo was his name.

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You don't play. It's just a horrible situation in general. So, you know, when you were talking about like the higher up upper echelon of the government, I have a buddy named Juan Sanchez who was in Venezuela, right? He was a Venezuelan citizen, came to the United States, started doing real estate, doing very well. 2008 financial crisis hits.

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his subdivisions and the development start going under, he needs money. So he goes to Venezuela and he starts pitching to Venezuelans like, hey, you should invest And so people in the government invest. Basically, the equivalent of the U.S. or the head, like the U.S. attorney here, the U.S. Attorney General in Venezuela ends up investing with him. Multiple people in the government investing.

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But he finds out later when Juan gets caught, the money they're investing is money they're laundering for Mexico. The cartels. For the cartels through Venezuela. They give it to Juan. Juan loses the money. Oh, no. And now they're threatening to kill him. He actually goes back to Venezuela. They kidnap him for four or five days.

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He eventually escapes, gets on a plane, flies back to the United States. But when he gets caught, he eventually obviously cooperates. He cooperates and the FBI comes in and the CIA comes in. He said they never said CIA, but they never showed badges, anything. My lawyer told me I think they were CIA. They come in and they say, listen, we looked at your phone.

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We see phone numbers and names in here of people that we've had indicted from Venezuela that are in the government. And so they start asking, you know this guy, you know this guy? He goes, yeah, I know that guy. And they said, we've had him indicted on a sealed indictment. We can't get him. So they asked him what happened. He tells them.

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And he says, do you want me to get him to come to the United States? And they go, yeah, but he would never do that. He's not that stupid. And they go – and Juan goes, no, no, he's that stupid. He goes, you don't get to become – You don't get that high in the government without being you don't get it through brains. You get through brutality. That's true.

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So he he contacts him because the guy had asked him to try and get him a travel permit in the United States so he could bring his family into the United States to visit Disney World. So he contacts him, sends him an email. No, that's it. But his his his. His visa had been denied by the State Department. He said, all you have to do is have the U.S.

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You know what happened was he rolled over on a bunch of people. He ended up getting like four years or something and got back out. Oh, did he? Massive, massive indictment. These guys do.

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So it's funny. So I wish... Why can't I remember the name of this book? I used to know it too. And trust me, somebody in the comment section will tell me the name of the book. It actually came out probably 10 years ago, maybe 15 years ago. It's about there's like an evangelist, like a preacher, super rich preacher. His son gets caught. He has a security detail, right?

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Like he's got several of these mega churches. He has a security detail, and one of the lead security agent or security person in charge of his security detail is a former DEA agent that had to retire because of brutality. Like he had been caught multiple times, like, and, you know, he had been written up. He finally retires. Well, I'll call him the preacher.

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The preacher's son ends up getting caught like smoking, I don't know, smoking, doing drugs or something. One of his friend ODs on coke or something. I forget what it was. But he's upset and he ends up venting to this former DEA agent. So his security, you know, head of security. So his head of security, he's like, he says, how much money do I give? You know, every month, every every year.

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He's like, oh, like a million dollars to these programs. And he goes, is it even helping? He's like, no, it's not. This is going to do nothing. And he says, well, what can end this? He said, well, you know, it's so out of control that the government can't. They just can't. It's everything they do to try and keep it stemmed. If you could get it pulled back.

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a little bit, then they could probably get a better handle on it. And he said, there's an idea we used to kick around at the DEA. And he said, well, what was that? He said, if you poisoned the drug supply, then the, the, the, the hardcore, he said, the casual users aren't the problem. He says, casual users would just stop.

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He said, but the drug addicts, he said, they would have to seek some kind of rehabs. Any rehab. Yeah. Right. And so they end up, he ends up going to somewhere and who knows where Brazil, I forget where it was, but someplace. And he, he ends up, he ends up finding this chemist and he ends up getting these mushrooms that allows them to poison, um,

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the drug supply right like coke and he of course he he gets a bunch of retired dea agents you know friends of his to help him there's a group of like six of them and he ends up poisoning a whole bunch of drugs and what happens is the hardcore users they they inhale it and then if they do enough of it it ends up breaking down and shutting down their their livers and they die

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So they end up doing this on a massive scale. Oh, my God. And I listen. It was. And of course, what happens is it works. But the problem is, is what he tells a preacher is like, you know, there will be some people will get sick. There may be a few deaths. And he knows the reality is there's going to be thousands.

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And there ends up being tens of thousands of death because they do it on such a massive scale. And. This is fiction. It's fiction. Yeah, it's fiction, but it's a great book. I mean, keep in mind how much I read when I was locked up. It was this... It was just really well-written, researched... You know, how much was possible, I don't know.

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But it was, it really, you know, and the guy's got the statistics and the whole thing, and you really realize reading the book, like, what a massive issue it is. Oh, it is. It is.

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Yeah, I mean, drugs were just never my thing, but this is the thing. I definitely agree that, to me, look, if you took the money they spent The prison population and you made going to rehabs affordable and you did more education and you legalize a lot of those substances, I think would alleviate the problem considerably. And listen, it'd be detrimental to the cartels. Absolutely.

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After you and the job. You're saying back then that's how they're doing it, or you're saying that's how they're doing it now?

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Because then you're taxing it here.

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Hey, this is Matt Cox, and I'm going to be doing an interview with Ignacio Esteban, and he is a former, yeah, retired ATF agent who was undercover. He has had a really interesting life, and yeah, so check it out. Honestly, I just basically start at the beginning, like where you were born,

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They call it ganja over there. Oh, listen. You know, there's places in Jamaica you can't even go. Oh, that's true. I mean, the government doesn't go like we were when I went to Jamaica. It's funny. I was I was on the run and I went to Jamaica and and we were to have the taxi driver. He's like driving us around and we were like, hey, let's go here. Let's go here.

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And he was like, yeah, you can't go there. And he was like, listen, he's like, the police don't go there. Like, you definitely aren't going there. He was like, we're not going there in my cab. And it was like, wow. It's like, it's that bad? Like, what do you mean the police don't go? He's like, no, it's that section. That area is completely owned and operated by, you know, this one gang.

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To make them possible. Right.

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Right. I was going to say, also, as a writer, you'll make $6, $6.50, $7 on a book that you sell on Amazon. And if the publisher sells it, you're making $1.15, $1.35, $3. And look, when I was locked up, I got a book deal. They were in Barnes and Nobles. That's great. How exciting is that? That's super cool. But in the end, like six months ago, this is five years later.

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Six months ago is the first time I actually got a small check from them because it took that long to pay back the advance they gave me. They gave me like a $3,500 advance. And listen, in prison, $3,500 is a lot of money. But, you know, it just took that long to even pay it back.

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I was going to say almost 1,000 people. Something like 150 kids or 200 kids or something. How many kids? More than that. More than that. That's horrible.

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It wasn't even Kool-Aid. Flavor-Aid. Flavor-Aid. Poor Kool-Aid. Poor Kool-Aid got hit with Kool-Aid, drinking the Kool-Aid this whole time. Drinking the Kool-Aid. What's that? Kool-Aid. Flavor-Aid. I was going to say, the problem is everybody always focuses on the murder, right? The mass suicide. Even if you remove that, though... His rise is amazing. Oh, my God.

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His ability to manipulate is amazing. And the fact that he starts Jonestown and then the senator shows up and they realize what's happening. I'm sorry. Congressman's going to go back to the United States. He's going to tell everybody. They're going to obviously send over the troops and grab these guys. It's coming down. But then he actually sends his guys to kill him. That's unbelievable.

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And they do like that story. That's the great thing. What I love about I love about nonfiction. You couldn't come up with that. No. Like that is so bizarre. It's the term, you know, you know, truth is stranger than fiction. Sure. Yeah. I agree. If you told someone that and it hadn't happened, they'd be like, yeah, bro, that's just like – it's too out there to believe. Sure. I agree.

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Like that's just too – but it happened. It's an amazing story.

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If you were telling me that, I would be thinking, that's crazy. It's too crazy. That's not going to happen. That's never happened. In history, it's happened. But it's so unbelievable that an American citizen and that a group of American citizens would have done this or that anybody would follow or anybody would follow through like, okay, he's doing it. I get it. He's out there.

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But that's probably not going to happen. And who's going to kill a senator? That's not gonna happen. Was it a senator or a congressman? Congressman.

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And to me, when you're brainwashed like that, you're being murdered. Because didn't some of the people even try and run off into the woods and stuff and they were shooting at them?

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Did you? Well, so I've got I'm going to butcher this guy's name. The guy who wrote Fight Club, Chuck Pahulnacek. Yeah, I know I butchered his name. Anyway, he he wrote a book called Survivor. and it talks about a mass suicide, and he talks about several mass suicides in the book, but it's very much written in the same vein as Fight Club.

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You know, he has that real choppy writing style, which is great because that book really moves along. He also talks about, like, that's a great book about multiple different types of suicide. It talks about Heaven's Gate. Heaven's Gate, yeah. Yeah, that mass suicide, but nothing like, like, nothing compares to... There's nothing.

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Yeah, kill everybody. This guy's not following the Geneva Convention. Like, I can't. It's reporters or medics. Don't you know I'm a congressman?

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Yes. Um... Well, shoot, I was gonna say something, too, when you were talking. I was thinking, um... Oh, I know what it was. It was the, it kind of, one of the things you were talking about finances is it reminded me of David Koresh. Oh, Waco, yeah. Yeah, he would have everybody... He would have all the women and everybody go and get on food stamps and get on... That's a big thing with the cults.

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One of the things they do is they immediately have everybody sign up for... They call it Bleeding the Beast. They call it Bleeding the Beast where you sign up for all the subsidies and you get as much as you can. Of course, they all live there. And he, of course, he's got air conditioning. He's eating well. He's like a king.

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All right, that's depressing. So, all right, so. But true though, right? You really brought the dinner of the show down.

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Cuba, was it Castro said it was the... He said the pink menace, or he said that was the best way to undermine the United States was through the importation of drugs. Yeah, Hugo Chavez from Venezuela used to do that.

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Yeah. You never see that video, though. That's not the thing they push.

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These are things we have to prepare for. If you outlaw guns, like, you know, outlaws, like, you know, look, let's face it. Criminals are not going to abide by that. No. They're not going to abide by that rule. Oh, we're not allowed to have the gun? Oh, well, then I won't. What are you talking about? If you're willing to commit a mass shooting, you're willing to break the law, the gun laws.

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You know, and you're going to, there's just too many guns. You'll never get rid of all the guns.

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Yeah, just, you want me to do a little promo? Yeah, I mean, yeah, absolutely. I usually say that, you know, obviously I'm going to put, Colby, which is, everybody who watches this knows who Colby is. Colby will put, you know, the book links. Like, if you send me the book links, he'll put your book links in the description. Oh, great.

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of the of the video so people can just go to the description box you know they just hit the button and boom it'll have a whole list where they can just click on it bring you straight to your amazon account or your amazon book and yeah i'll i'll i just have an amazon author page all my books i'll just send you the amazon author page that i have

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All right. Yeah. We'll definitely have to do some of those. Like actually just do a show just on that one category, you know, I'm like one category of like the Yakuza do one on just like the biker gangs, like that sort of thing. That would be, cause we were kind of all over the place, but, um, But yeah, we could definitely do that. That was fun.

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Hey, if you liked the video, do me a favor and hit the subscribe button. Hit the bell so you get notified of videos just like this. Leave me a comment in the comment section. Also, I am going to leave all of the descriptions. Well, Colby's going to leave all the descriptions in the description box. And I really appreciate you guys watching.

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And also, I've written a bunch of books that are on Amazon, Barnes & Noble, and Audible. And I'm even going to have Colby leave several of the trailers for the books. right after this so you can watch the trailers for several of my books and go to Amazon and buy a book or buy an Audible or however, you know, or not. Listen, it's up to you, whatever.

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Maduro has been indicted. So I thought I had read something about Cuba, like Castro wasn't like involved in it, but he was allowing for short for a period of time. He like allowed planes to land or fly through by through air airspace. And then he caught up with him and then he was like, OK, we're done with that.

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I appreciate you guys watching though and thank you very much. Leave me a comment and I will respond to your comments. See ya.

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You know, how you grew up and kind of like, you know, and how you got into, you know, how did you become an ATF? It wasn't something you were always interested in, that sort of thing, you know. Where were you born?

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If you saw anything you like, links to all the books are in the description box.

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It's much sexier from Don Johnson's point of view. From the Don Johnson point of view, it's much sexier. He's got the Ferrari. He's got the Ferrari, which is cool. He folds up. Remember, he would fold up the suit. Do you remember the jacket? Oh, yeah. Yeah, the cool colors, right? Yeah. Yeah. So far, your version of it sucks. Your version is work. Right. Yeah.

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I wrote a story about a guy. That's what they did. They had the concrete pallets and concrete tiles that they were. Yes. And came in with pallets. Yes.

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Nice. For clarity purposes. So here's what, you know, because just this is what I understand. So and I only understand this because I've written several stories. I wrote a story called American Narco and. And so it, so you're saying like, right.

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As a custom agent, like you find this, you find the drugs and you're like, okay, then you're notifying somebody else because, and then they're setting that and trying to either follow that, that, you know, the, that, that, that drug shipment and bust the guys. Is that it? Because it'll, I, let me give you an example. I had a, what the story I wrote. they had shipped in marijuana in these tiles.

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And they allowed the shipment, like they delivered the shipment And these guys loaded it into their warehouse, sat it there for like a week, and there was a tracking device inside the thing. And so they start unpacking the whole thing, and suddenly there's this black box with a little light on it and these wires. And they're like, oh, shit. They throw it. They run.

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But, of course, by that point, they're pulling up. The gig is up. Yeah. They bust them like two days later, they come and raid their house or something, their houses and stuff. But so at this point with customs, you're just saying, Hey, here's what we found. And they're doing the rest of that. You wanted to actually be the guy to go the next level. Right. Okay. Yeah.

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about the group that you, you know, work with and, and, uh, you're a little bit about your story, but do you mind if we kind of go back to like the very beginning and talk about start just basically like where you were born a little bit about that, you know, where you went to high school siblings?

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Can I ask a question? Did you ever talk to her about what the issue was with her waking up and having these nightmares?

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Were there any issues with alcoholism, sorry, with alcohol or drugs or nothing like that?

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Right. And then also kind of desensitizing. Yeah. Like you said, it's an evolution. It's a progression.

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Traumatized.

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So when, I mean, she got, you know, she gave the information to the police, gave a report, told them what happened. What did they do? They came to your house just to question you? Or were they ready to arrest you?

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Right. Yeah, I definitely, I definitely believe that, you know, um, so how, so after you got, you got out of the jail stint, your wife, you know, she hung out for a little bit, but it just didn't work out. And what did you do? Did you, I mean, was this something that immediately happened or did you, I'm sorry, go ahead. No, go ahead.

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I was gonna say, did you continue, you know, this, I mean, was that the wake up call and everything, you know, all better at that point or was it a progression?

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Right. I was going to say I was I don't know if you know this. I was incarcerated, but I was at a at the federal prison complex in in Coleman, Florida. And, uh, at the, you know, I was at the medium security prison, but I was also at the low for a time. And at the low, there's a, like nearly, nearly half the compound has some kind of a, some kind of a sex crime. And, you know,

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Although I'd say 90% of them are lying about it. They'll tell you they're there for something else. But, you know, it just becomes, it's so obvious. And there's such a large group of them that they don't really have to hide it. But I definitely after speaking with, you know, you know, numerous offenders and everything you're saying is like spot on.

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And in some cases they would like you said, they would actually want to mount an argument. that they actually, you know, love this child, we're giving them affection and that sort of thing. And, and like you said, all of them had been abused as children.

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Like, I don't think I ever spoke with anybody that hadn't been abused, even if they didn't consider it abuse, like they were 11 or 12 and there was a cousin or a brother or sister, um, that was touching them inappropriately. even if they were like, you know, oh, but you know, that happens to everybody. And I was like, well, no, no, it doesn't.

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You know, and obviously, even if it happens to a lot of people, it had a dramatic effect on them because they suddenly were attracted to 11 or 12 year old, you know, girls or boys or whatever it may be. You know, I used to always say, you know, in a real, in a very real way, you have to feel bad for them because they were victims before they became predators. The problem is that

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You know, once you know, once they became predators like you, as sad as it is, what put them in that situation? You just can't let monster monster roam the countryside. I mean, and, you know, it's just such a such a shitty situation.

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So then they're creating monsters.

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I was going to say, you know, what's funny is that although sex offenders, you know, have a high recidivism rate, they have a, it's, but for the actual crime, it's much lower. So the actual recidivism rate for reoffending on a sexual crime is much lower than let's say a drug dealer gets out, he's going to sell drugs again.

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You know, well, not going to, but whatever the recidivism rate, it's almost 90, like 5% that he's going to sell drugs. They very seldomly, you know, reoffend for a sex offense. Not that they don't, but they very seldom. Most of the time when these guys reoffend, it's because of another crime.

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Like what's happened, I think, is that you've taken them and put them into a position where now they can't make a living. They can't live anywhere. They get desperate. So they don't register or they have to steal to survive or they break into someone's house or they start doing other things to survive. And then they end up back in prison.

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Well, yeah, you did re-offend, but it wasn't for looking at child pornography or whatever it may be. So that wasn't what typically... I'm not saying... I think it's low. It's like 3% or 4% re-offend for the actual original offense. Typically, it's something else.

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There's just no good solution. It's, you know, you've got guys on one side of the fence and just, you know, execute them. You know, you've got guys on the other side of the fence, you know, who are maybe like, oh, they did their time. They should go. Well, you know, no, I mean, that's not really that. The answer is probably somewhere in between, and there's just no perfect solution.

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And the problem is that every sentence doesn't fit everybody. It has to be tailor-made. Yeah, it's totally different. Totally. It's a tough situation.

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I'm sorry, how long did this go on? I mean, this was a one-time thing or was this?

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Obviously, that shame is what stops them from getting to that point Yep. You know, like, like they're not going to reach, people don't want to reach out because they're embarrassed and they, you know, it's, um, yeah, I, it's, you know, this, this, this, this shitty situation all the way around.

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Like, you know, who wants, and just like, like with, in your case, you know, had you reached out earlier, had you not been trying to hide this, and felt like, hey, there's a place I could go, there's somebody I can talk to, I don't have to be embarrassed about this, I need to deal with this, then you wouldn't have gotten to that point. Exactly.

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It would have stopped it. It would have broken it. You know, like alcoholics, a lot of times, I mean, not everybody has to hit rock bottom, obviously. Some people realize they have a problem and they just want to cut it out. But I'd say a significant portion of addicts in general have to hit kind of a rock bottom to say, hey, I can't live like this. You know?

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So where did this lead you? Did you work with a group?

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And so I, I didn't know what, what was going on in her house. Yeah. Well, obviously had some issues.

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That's fine. I feel like you've said that before. I feel like you've got it down. Yeah.

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I hear you. I did 13 years in prison. I got out like four years ago, you know.

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I feel like they have pigeonholed me, though. I run a true crime channel. while I talk about his crime. But I did it to myself. Who says this is where you end up, right? No, I love what I do. I mean, I talked to, you know, I felt, you know, very free in prison, you know, because, you know, I wasn't lying to anybody. I wasn't running some kind of a scam or a fraud.

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I wasn't concerned about, you know, being arrested. And I didn't have to pretend to be You know, to pretend to be like an honest businessman when really I was committing fraud and, you know, sit around with my friends who were all normal people, decent citizens. And, you know, I didn't have to be a wolf in sheep's clothing. You know, I could be a wolf among wolves. And I felt good being that open.

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And so I've just carried that on out here and turned it into a way to make money, you you know, having people tell their stories because these guys have amazing stories and, you know, sometimes they're amazing stories of recovery and triumph and redemption, you know, and sometimes there's just, you know, horrific stories that maybe they don't have a great ending.

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You know, they, they're still in the middle of their journey, you know, but, but they have stories, they have interesting stories and, and I have yet to meet anybody who's gone to prison It doesn't have an interesting story. They might not have a six hour story.

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It might be 45 minutes, but they've got they've done something that was that was unique and interesting, maybe horrific, you know, you know, maybe ingenious, but they've they've got a story to tell. And and I like it when they come to me and I talk to them and they can tell it honestly, because, I mean, I'm not in a position to judge anybody. So it's a good living.

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It's a good way to make a living.

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Well, listen, I appreciate you coming on. Do you have anything else you feel like we haven't covered?

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Hey, I appreciate you guys watching. Do me a favor, if you like the video, share it. Share it to somebody that will find this interesting and somebody that maybe you think needs it. Also, if you liked it, hit the subscribe button. If you haven't already, hit the bell so you get notified of videos like this. And leave me a comment.

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We'll leave any links that Gene has in the description box so you can get in touch with him if you need to or get in touch with the programs that he supports. And I really appreciate you guys watching. Thank you very much. See ya.

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I was going to say, it's funny that there was a, and I'm sure I'm going to botch the study, but there was actually a study that showed that women or I'm assuming it was women that had been raped were something like 50% more likely to be raped again in their lifetime than women that hadn't. And there was another study that I remember they had

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People that were robbers, like criminals that were robbers, look at people walking down the street and they picked out with something like 85% accuracy, which people were vulnerable to be robbed. And those people that they were picking out, like 85% of the time had been robbed. Like these were people that had been victims. They just, you know, predators can sense a victim.

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Well, intuition is a huge thing. Huge. And people ignore it all the time.

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Hey, this is Matt Cox, and I am here with Gene McConnell, and he is a former sex buyer, and we've got a really interesting story for you and an interesting show, so please check it out. So, we just had half a little bit of a chat there before the show, and you were kind of telling me, you know, just about...

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I wonder if Hawaii is the most flown to state, because let's face it, you're not driving there. No. Orlando, Vegas. Really? Yeah, without question. But there's no other way to get there. Orlando or something, you can drive there. You can drive there. The rest of America can't. Right. Wenn du in Nord-Carolina, Süd-Carolina gehörst, fahren Leute aus New York.

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Not cool, Matt Cox. Um... I don't know. I don't feel good about this guy. This guy is very close to registering, in my opinion. I feel the same way. I'm thinking that he probably still gets... Ja, genau.

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How did I get 26 years?

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Nobody ever asked?

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I feel like I might have, because we talked about this already. I feel like I might have seen this on the news. But go ahead. This was huge news.

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Like laid there or...

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Er ist sicher, worauf er geht.

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Ich denke, wahrscheinlich zwei Jahre Verbrechen und er muss eine Psychiaterin für sechs Monate sehen. Das ist gut. Es ist ziemlich bedrohlich. Aber ja, ja.

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Yeah, I was gonna say, plus it's unpressurized, right? Like, is there air out there?

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I know that's happened before.

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Das war das Einzige, was ich mit ihm beurteilen konnte, weil er nicht mit dem Flugzeug oder dem anderen interferiert hat. Das war das Einzige, was ich mit ihm beurteilen konnte, weil er mit dem Flugzeug oder dem anderen interferiert hat.

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I'm going to raise this.

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All right, so here's the thing.

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I remember the first time we talked, you were like, do you compensate for something?

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Weil ich weiß, dass Leute, wenn du willst, das ist das, was ich gehört habe, dass wenn du eigentlich mit deiner Waffe reisen willst, kannst du vorher anrufen oder so etwas und es einstellen. Ja. Und dann gibt es eine Prozedur, um sie zu nehmen, und sie machen etwas damit, und dann bekommst du es zurück.

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Ich meine, ich war nie, ich wurde transportiert, aber nicht auf einer kommerziellen.

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Was war das? Es war schrecklich. Ich meine, zumindest war es erstklassig. Es war nicht so.

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Es war nicht so schlecht. War es wie der Film? Es war nicht so schlecht. Es war nicht so schlecht wie der Film, weil es ein normaler kommerzieller Jet ist. Die US-Marschalls fahren das Jet. Ja, sie fahren es. Sie haben es. Ich bin sicher, dass sie ein paar von ihnen haben. Und es ist ein normaler und es ist ein großer. Es ist nicht so, als wäre es ein kleiner mit zwei Räumen.

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Es hat den großen mit den drei Räumen in der Mitte Räume. Und, weißt du, du ziehst dich in deinen Van und bist mit acht anderen Leuten verschlossen. Und es gibt hunderten von den Anwälten bereits dort auf dem Tarmac, die nur da stehen, auf der Warte, alle in Schachteln. Und du hast US-Marshalen, die auf dem Perimeter des Flugzeugs stehen. Wohin gingst du? Von wo zu wo?

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So if I was like the supervisor and this came across my desk, I would be like, who do I not like?

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I was going from Memphis, Tennessee to Oklahoma City. Because that's where there's a transfer or whatever, I forget what they call it. They call it something. It's a facility where you land at the airport and that arm that comes and connects to the plane, like the raised walkway, I forget what they call it. Du gehst tatsächlich direkt ins Gefängnis. Du verlässt das nie. Okay.

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I mean, that's like, that's pretty insane. But yeah, when we got on, you get on and you sit down.

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They call it a transfer station or whatever they call it. I used to know the name of it. Like Atlanta is a hub for Delta, Oklahoma City is a hub for Conair. Yeah, exactly. Oh, interesting. So I got on it in Memphis. We get on. They load the whole plane up, and then the last thing they do is, like, the first few rows are the women. They come on last, because there's so few female prisoners.

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And then so, you know, you just get there, and you... Are you handcuffed while you're in the air? Oh, yeah, you're handcuffed, you're shackled, right? So you've got the shackles on your legs, the handcuffs, and you typically have... I'm pretty almost positive we had... Do we have a chain? And I'm pretty sure, yeah, you have the rope chain. So you have the rope chain. For the duration of the flight.

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Nein, keine dieser Regeln. Du bist nicht, du bist nicht mehr, du bist, du bist aus all diesen. Verletzen sie sich von all diesen? Verletzen sie sich von all diesen?

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Verletzen sie sich von all diese? Verletzen sie sich von all diese? Verletzen sie sich von all diese? Verletzen sie sich von all diese? Verletzen sie sich von all diese? Verletzen sie sich von all diese? Verletzen sie sich von all diese? Verletzen sie sich von all diese? Verletzen sie sich von all diese? Verletzen sie sich von all diese? Verletzen sie sich von all diese? Ver

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Das passiert, aber es ist möglich. Sie geben dir einen Kaffee. Sie geben dir einen Kaffee mit einem...

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peanut butter and jelly sandwich or ham sandwich or I'm sorry bologna sandwich or something and you have to try and eat it so you're doing this trying to eat the food I mean it's pretty bad yeah um anyway we all load up then then they come on and the marshals are in there with shotguns you know and they're yelling on the flight itself yeah and they're yelling then they get you know hey you know if somebody's like hey man I go to the bathroom sit down you'll go to the bathroom once we're in the air like they they lie to you the whole time

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Die Leute auf dem Tarmac warten. Sie sagen dir, wenn du auf der Bühne bist, werden sie dir ein Schlafzimmer geben. Dann setzen sie dich runter. Dann sagen sie, wir geben es dir, wenn du in die Luft kommst. Und wenn du in die Luft kommst, kommst du zu einem bestimmten Punkt. Dann beginnen sie, es Reihe nach Reihe zu machen. Ich meine, die Leute sind bekannt. Mm-hmm.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon

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That could be a 45-minute drive to an hour drive, whatever, two-hour drive. Then you get here, you're standing on the tarmac for an hour and a half. Then you get in the plane and it's 30 minutes to get in the air to the point where... Try and hold it for three hours. Were there flight attendants or just marshals with guns? Just marshals with guns yelling at you. No movie? No movie. No snack?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon

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This is the funniest thing. I mentioned this the other day because I actually had this conversation the other day on a podcast where you don't realize those commercial jets... They can, not straight up, but they can, when you take off from the airport, right, and it's nice and it's okay, it's going and it's slowly going, they don't have to do that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And this thing there, I mean, it is, it's like, it's like, it's... It's going almost straight up until it... And then it levels off. So when it levels off, you're like... Like, you guys are like, fuck! Like, you know, what the... Like, they don't give a shit. And you're going like, this is terrifying.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon

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That this thing... Because you keep thinking like... I'm thinking like the wing's gonna break off or something. That's how dramatic. But that's when you also really realize, like, these things are put together. Like, you can't believe these planes. So... Anyway, yeah, they fly the whole time. Then when they come down, they hit hard. They land hard.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon

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Oh, yeah, absolutely. Which I love. I love it when you barely... Yeah, it's a sweet, nice little landing. Just a little kick forward.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon

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Yeah. Oh, and listen, every time I'm taking off or landing, in my mind, I'm telling myself, these things are built by amazing engineers. They're super smart. They know exactly. They're built to last 50, 100 years. Like, I'm telling myself,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon

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Yeah, you should. I look like the picture of... mental health and calmness, but inside I'm going, I'm like, oh my god, there's nothing. Jess will look over at me, I'm like, it's fine, it's fine. My chick's here, you gotta be cool. But anyway, so yeah, we come down, bam, we land, the arm comes out, it takes you away, they take the handcuffs off real quick and they literally, I would say this, like,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon

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The BOP or the Marshalls, I don't know who's taking these things off, but when you walk in to that, through the hallway thing, I forget what, I should know what they call it, but you get up there, they have a, it's actually like a wooden box that's like three people high and you walk up there and the guys that work it are sitting on stools. They literally walk Ja, genau.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon

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Sie hatten eigentlich eine Schale, wo man sie bekommen konnte. Sie hatten zwei verschiedene Arten von Taschen, die ich schön fand. Es war wie Pfeffer und Jellies oder Bolognese-Sandwiches. Etwas für die Vegetarier.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon

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No, this is after 9-11.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon

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I had an ID that had my name on it. Or I always had. I've had like 26, 27 of them from like seven different states where I went into the... Issued by the DMVs. By the DMV. And I've also got a passport issued by the State Department. So if I'm, let's say I was flying to, you know, Italy.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon

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I mean, when I go through customs, you know, when I'm walking through or really coming back, but when you're going there or coming back, I've got a passport issued. So they scan it and they ask you, what are you doing?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon

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So it's not something you made in your bathtub.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon

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Correct. So if they were to run it, Ich würde denken, dass es okay wäre, weil sie es wahrscheinlich gegen diesen Passwort ausüben werden. Und erinnere dich, das war 2006. Ich glaube, es war wahrscheinlich tiefer als es jetzt ist, obwohl die Facial Recognition-Stuffe weniger verwendbar war. Ich sage dir, hier ist die Geschichte, die wir suchen. Was?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon

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Habte ich dir über die Rückkehr in den United States erzählt? Ja, teile das mit mir. Okay, also, was passiert ist, als ich zuerst aus der Gefängnis kam, Und ich bin auf einem Flugzeug gefahren. Und ich musste fliegen. Weißt du, wo ich fliegen musste? Das erste, wo ich fliegen musste, war Puerto Rico. Okay. Ich musste natürlich Vermögen bekommen.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon

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I was going to meet with some investors who wanted me to basically be entertainment for them while we ate. Tell them a story, my story. Spend two or three hours under the guise of education. So they fly me in. And I remember thinking as I'm walking through the airport. One, super cool, right? Like I was just in the halfway house not long ago. Prison, the whole thing. So that was like exciting.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But the whole time I was thinking like, are they going to let me on the plane? Why wouldn't they? Well, because when I was on the run, there was like a red notice, like arrest this guy immediately.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon

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And two, the other problem is, I'm not flying to Alabama, I'm flying zu Puerto Rico, was ich noch in den USA verstehe, aber ich wusste nicht, ob es eine aktuelle Länge von Bewertung gab, was auch immer. Also ich weiß es nicht.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon

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Also wenn ich durch TSA gehe und ich, weißt du, gebe ihnen das Ding und sie scannen deine Fahrradlizenz und geben es zurück, und ich warte, und ich bin extra früh weggegangen, wie, was, wenn es ein Problem gibt, sicher, und boom, ich gehe durch und sie haben mich auf dem Flugzeug gelegt. Ich war so, wow, Super cool.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon

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Und dann, nach vielleicht einem Jahr, etwa zwei Jahren, komme ich von einer Produktion aus Amsterdam. Sie machen eine TV-Show namens Inside the Mind of a Con Artist. Und sie haben ein paar verschiedene berühmte Con-Artisten interviewt. Und sie sagen, hey, wir wollen dich ausfliegen. I argue with them on what they're going to pay. We negotiate, whatever.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon

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So I get a nice check, what I was thrilled with, by the way. So I go get on the plane. I fly in. I'm thrilled. I'm in Amsterdam. It's during COVID, right? Yeah. Wanted to go to Anne Frank's house. Apparently it was like a six, like apparently if you want to go, even when there's not COVID, it's like a six month to a year waiting list. So you can't, you're not showing up and getting a ticket. Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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In the end I heard it's just a house. Yeah, I mean, it's not like they were balling out of control back then. I kind of hung out and walked around a little bit, but it just wasn't thrilling. Everything's closed, but it is super cool.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon

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One time when I was... Well, I've done it twice. One, when we were in... georgia we left the well that we left the car in the police substation and then second one we did was when i was in nash charlotte north carolina we left it at long term parking and we left we went to the bank and got um i forget what the currency is for like Spanien oder so etwas, wie Lira oder so etwas.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon

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Ich vergesse nicht, wie es genannt wurde. Und wir haben ein paar Lira-Coin gelegt, wie wir einen Dollar wert haben, und wir haben ein paar in dort gedruckt und wir haben eine Branche für ein Hotel gedruckt. Und dann habe ich es unter die Sitzung gelegt.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon

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Und sechs oder acht Monate später gab es ein Artikel, wo sie sagten, wir glauben, er ist in Italien oder wir glauben, er ist in Spanien oder so etwas.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Und ich war so, oh, das war so, so, so smart.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon

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Also habe ich gedacht, oh, das ist so cool. So what happens is, I end up flying to Amsterdam, hung out there for a few days, flew back, And when I flew back, I flew into Atlanta International Airport. So I fly in, you know, I got another flight. I get there and I'm walking, you know, you come in and there's the line. There's eight people in front of you.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon

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And that first person, you know, you walk up and he checks it out. Such and such. Okay, thank you. Click. Boom. Welcome back. Click. Oh, what were you here for? Whatever it was, you know. Whatever they say. Boom, boom. He gets to me, scans it. You know, oh, what were you here for? I was like, oh, you know, I think I said, like, vacation or something. Or maybe I said, you know, business.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon

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I forget what I said. The answer was... And he went, scanned it, and he looked at... And he goes like this. Looks at the screen. Looks at me. Takes the passport and puts it to the side. And then he goes... He starts doing the whole... He's scrolling on something, right? And he's... These other people went right through. And I'm sitting there... It must have been a white-knuckle moment for you.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon

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I'm sitting there like... Well, you know what I'm thinking? I'm like, I know I haven't done anything wrong. Like, I know... Aber ich frage mich, ich habe einen Flugzeug. Sie gaben mir nicht viel Zeit. Und ich hasse den Atlanta-Aeroport. Und ich habe es nicht gewohnt. Jetzt kann ich nach Atlanta gehen und ich weiß das ganze Ding, ich bin in Ordnung.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon

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Aber dann bin ich nervös, weil ich mir gesagt habe, du musst in einen völlig anderen Flur gehen. Es ist sehr linear. Er sitzt da und sitzt da. Und ich saß da, während er es macht. Und er schaut nach mir und ich frage, wie schlecht ist es? Und ich frage, wie schlecht ist es? Und er sagt, du wirst definitiv jemanden sprechen müssen. Und ich dachte, holy shit, I'm kind of joking, right?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon

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And here's what's so funny, and I never saw him do anything. Like literally he had taken the passport, stuck it over here, and then just started doing this. Focusing on his screen. Right, and I never saw anything. But while I'm talking, he's facing this way to the screen, there's a hallway. All these different stations. And I'm way down.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon

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You had to walk by all these stations, because his was the one that was open. Maybe two or three of them are open. But there's like a dozen, or there's more like two dozen, and there's maybe four that are open. So we had to walk all past. So way down this hallway, way past the thing, I see a door open.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And some guy's walking and walking and you start to realize and he's walking and walking and walking. So all the way up and he's got, he walks up and he leans in and grabs my passport. Of course, you know, you're aware of where your passport is. So as soon as he grabs it, I'm like, whoop, you know, I immediately look, he grabs it. He grabs it and he sticks it into this thick, clear envelope.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Uh-oh. Right? Boom.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'm like, oh, that's not good. So he drops it in there and he goes, Mr. Cox? And I'm like, yeah. And he's like, follow me. And I'm like, oh, okay. So then I follow him and I'm looking at the other guy. He's sitting there looking at me like I'm... Like they didn't catch Hannibal Lecter, bro. I promise you, this is a mistake. He brings you like a secondary screening area? Brings me to another area.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon

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He's got a whole nother little cubicle thing set up a couple doors down into another area where it's clearly like this is another whole section here. I didn't even know this was back here. If I go there, I sit down. He's got my thing and he sits there and he starts looking. Now he's doing the scrolling, scrolling and I'm like, what's going on? And he's like, give me a minute.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Looking, looking, looking. And And finally he goes, okay, he goes, what did you do? Is it like a Ponzi scheme or something? What did you... And I looked at him and I went, I'm... It was bank fraud. It was just bank fraud and, I mean, you know, wire fraud and some bank fraud-related charges. He goes, okay. And I said, what's the issue? I said, I'm... Paid your debt to society.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon

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Yeah, I said, what is the issue? I said, I should be fine. I said, I'm on probation, but I said, I got permission... ... um zu fliegen. Und er hat mich angeschaut und er hat sich da gesetzt und gesagt, ... ... er hat gesagt, es gibt eine ausgeschlossene ... und ich weiß nicht, was er gesagt hat. Ich weiß nicht, ob er Red Notice oder was auch immer gesagt hat.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon

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Er hat gesagt, aber lass uns sagen, das ist, was ich gesagt habe. Er hat gesagt, es gibt eine ausgeschlossene Red Notice auf dich. Und ich sage, na gut, es ist ausgeschlossen. Und er sagt, immer noch.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon

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Come on. Yeah, I get it. And I was like, it's expired. And he's like, yeah, still. And he sat there, he goes, okay, what happened? I said, look, I'm allowed to fly. And he goes, okay. He goes, do you have anything that says that? And he said, he goes, you're on federal. He knew I was on federal probation. He goes, you're on federal probation. And I go, yeah, but I got permission to fly.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He goes, do you have anything that says that? And I went, yeah, yes, I do. Und ich hatte mein Carry-On und ich hatte es mit mir. Und ich sagte, oh, und ich habe etwas vom Juden. Ich musste eigentlich den Juden geben, um mir etwas zu geben. Also hatte ich beide. Und er sagt, okay, well, you should have started with this. I said, well, nobody told me anything. Yeah, no, they freeze you out.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon

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Das ist ein Instagram-Post?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon

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Yeah, you didn't tell me what this was. I mean, I kind of knew. He's like, okay. And he looks at it and he flips around. And he's like, okay. He's like, what did you do? Und ich habe gesagt, ich habe ihm ein kurzes Boom, Boom, Boom gegeben. Ich habe einige falsche Leute gemacht, habe Geld bezahlt und habe das gemacht, als ich ins Gefängnis gegangen bin.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon

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Ich habe gerade rausgekommen, ich bin auf Prävention. Er ist so, okay, okay, was hast du da gemacht? Und wir sprechen. Und jetzt ist er einfach nur, um Fragen zu stellen. Und ich war so, hör mal, ist das, ich habe noch einen Flug. Ich habe gesagt, ich weiß nicht, ob ich meinen Flug verpassen werde. Er sagt, wann ist es? Ich habe ihm gesagt, oh, wow, okay, ja, warte, lass uns gehen.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon

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Und dann hat er, oh, er hatte bereits, während er da war, einen anderen Mann, also sie hatten einen Tram hinter ihm. Ja. Und so kam ein anderer Mann, oder was auch immer, der Tram kam und ein anderer Mann holte meine Tasche aus dem Tram und ging über und sagte, also sie haben meine Tasche gedreht. Oh, ja. Sie haben alles da. Ja. He didn't have to go through the bag or do anything like that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon

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He grabbed the bag, grabbed me, walked me straight through security, straight through everything. There's a bunch of back doors. And then basically set me free. He said, okay, good luck. You gotta go that way. Das secondary Screening is no joke. It's nerve-wracking. But keep in mind, I don't even have anything.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like I don't, I've got something from, and that's the only time I've ever had that problem, by the way.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon

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Es war eine große Sache. Es war eine große Sache an einem Punkt. Ich glaube, sie sagten, dass Kuba mehr Boxen machte. Also die Leute schickten die Boxen hierher.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon

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My wife was released from... you know i should know she's talked about it enough times uh virginia or something i forget where she was in some prison and they put her on no no that's right no no she was she was so she was whatever virginia anyway she they put her on a her and three or four other girls they put them on a greyhound and they went through

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon

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I want to say they went through, whatever, they came all the way down here to Coleman. So you have to be at a camp custody. You have to be at what's called out custody. So they put them on, they gave them vouchers and some money to eat. Did they wear civilian clothing or were they in their prison jumpsuits? No, they're like in prison jumpsuits. I think they were in prison jumpsuits.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon

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They're in like, well, not jumpsuits. You have, they're in khakis. Top and bottom. Yeah, yeah. And so, yeah, they put them on the bus and they drove all the way down. They were allowed at one point, they get off the bus, they get some food, they get back on. It's like, you've got to be here.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon

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Pick them up and bring them to prison.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon

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Das Einzige, was ich erinnere, ist D.B.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon

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No, no. He opened up his suitcase and he had, it certainly looked like, it looked like a bunch of dynamite with a bunch of, you know, like the woman, the sewerist was like, it looked like a bomb.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon

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Am I remembering this correctly? I mean, you're doing about as good of a job as the FBI did to catch him.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon

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Well, I mean, what he actually did was he got on the plane. It was half empty flight. They get up there. He asked the stewardess to come back. He hands her, he orders like a Jack and Coke or something. He hands her a note. And she said she was very pretty. And she was like, guys were always handing me notes. She didn't even look at it. She goes back.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon

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And I think after a little bit, she's still, he sees her still, you know, giving people notes. Und so, you know, tell the pilot, blah, blah, blah. So she tells the pilot, she comes back. He actually has cards written up. von einem Piloten, der dir sagt, wo du gehen solltest, wo du die Kabel anstellen solltest. Er gibt ihr Karten. Sie denken also, er hatte Piloten-Erfahrung. Sie gehen zurück.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon

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Das sind Dinge, die sie nicht sofort erläutern. Aber seit es so alt ist, haben sie alles herausgegeben. Sie geht zurück, zeigt den Piloten und sagt im Grunde, dass du landen musst. So, first they call in, he wants $200,000, I think. It's like $200,000. And they land. They unload everybody off the plane, except for like the pilot, co-pilot, and I think one or two of the stewardesses.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon

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Und er macht das, bevor er sogar landet. Sie ist wie, komm schon, ist das ernsthaft? Und er öffnet seinen Briefkasten und sieht, er ist ernsthaft. Sie sagte, er riecht von Schmuck. Ich denke, er schmuckte. Jeder, jeder schmuckte. Ja, aber auf dem Flugzeug. Ja, er schmuckte auf dem Flugzeug. Und er zeigte ihr das Ding. Sie sagte, er riecht davon. Sehr, sehr überlebt, sie sagte. Ja.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon

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Anyway, they land, they let everybody off. Nobody even knows this has happened. They just know they landed. A lot of people, when they got off, they actually thought they had gotten there.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And when they land, people are getting off and some people who knew the airport they were supposed to land at are like, hey, we're not at such and such. Other people think they're at their destination. As they get off and they're coming in and they're talking to them, they're like, what are you talking about? They're like, no, no, no, you've been rerouted.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon

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Anyway, they take back off and he says, tells them to go to like Mexico City or something, right? And they tell him, look, we can't go to Mexico City. We don't have that fuel. And he's like, fuck. So he then says, come back. She comes back and then he's got another city that's basically on the same thing, track, right? So he's really just trying to get him to go that way.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon

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War es das Haar? Oder nur generell, sie war wunderschön.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon

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Because he knows that he's going to jump out at a certain point, probably has a vehicle, something in that area. Er weiß, er hat es alles runter. Das selbe. Oh, sie haben auch, er hat die 200.000 gefordert, er hat drei Parachutes gefordert. Sie haben ihm drei Parachutes gegeben. Einer der Parachutes war ein Test-Parachute, der kein Backup hatte. Ein Rippkord? Oh, ein Backup. Okay, ja.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon

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He cuts a bunch of cords from the other parachutes, ties it up, because he doesn't want them knowing he's jumping. He really thought this through. Yeah, he gave enough parachutes for everybody to jump, right? So I think there must be four, three or four. He ties it all up into a drop, like a drop thing, right?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon

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So he's got the money tied up, and he's got it tied around his waist, so he's got all the thread tied. oder die Chords und alles. Und dann war das bestimmte Flugzeug das einzige Flugzeug, das an dem Zeitpunkt fliegte, wo sie eine Rückseite hatten. Und so, während sie fliegen, er sagt ihnen natürlich, es zu senken, es zu fliegen, es fliegt an dieser Höhe, dieser Art.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Sie wissen, es ist seltsam, aber egal, er hat eine Bombe. Also machen sie es. Also dann zieht er die Pins, als sie fliegen. The staircase goes down, he jumps out, and he jumps. They know when he jumps, because when he jumps, the staircase, they can hear it. So one, they know when it opens, because they get an indicator light. Beep, beep, beep, beep. When he jumps, they know it, because bam!

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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The staircase, the stair thing, when he's, the weight of it. It's like a diving board. Right, when he jumps, it slams back up. So then the woman goes back and she says, okay, he's gone, he lands. Sie glauben, es wurde immer gesagt, er muss in den Meer gelandet haben. Aber was passiert ist, er ist irgendwo gelandet. Ich glaube, er hat es gemacht. Ich habe viele Programme aufgenommen. Ja.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Du hast gesagt, der Max ist 90 Tage, aber ich denke, du musst in Erinnerung nehmen, wie gut diese Frau aussieht. Das muss wie eine runtergehende Entfernung sein, oder? Er hat keine Zeit. Keine Zeit.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Ja, genau. A few months later, maybe six months later, another airline is hijacked. Very similar. That guy, they track down. He looked very similar to Dan Cooper. They track him and another guy, I think it was another guy, down to a motel. They have a... A stand off and I believe he either shot himself or he came out and it was kind of like by cop and he gets killed.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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For some reason the police or the FBI has discounted him. Für einen Grund, aber manche Leute sagen, dass das nicht der Fall ist. Und dieser Kerl war auch Helikopterpilot. Ja, das scheint ein guter Suspekt. Richtig, aber für einen Grund konnten sie ihn nicht verbinden oder jemanden, die sie nicht bekommen haben, wie die Steuern gesagt haben, absolut nicht ihn.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Das Art von Ding, wo sie sagten, nein, kann nicht sein. Es war nur, weil, wie du gesagt hast, es war ein Ratsch. Ja, es ist ein Ton. Ich denke, es war wahrscheinlich er. Okay, interessant. Weil sie ihn nie gefunden haben. Sie haben nie, es gibt all diese Leute, oh, es ist dieser Typ, der gestorben ist und das und das.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Weil es so eine brazen Sache ist, um es aufzunehmen. Ich bin ein Kriminal, ich will nicht glauben, dass er weggegangen ist, aber ich kann es nicht vorstellen. Es ist wie die Jungs, die aus dem Alcatraz geflogen sind. Ja.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know, the idea that, I want to say it was three guys, the idea that three career criminals escaped, went out and got jobs, lived the rest of their lives and never got caught, never did anything else again to come into contact with the police, it's just not possible. It's a hell of a swim. Have you ever been to Alcatraz? Yeah, I have.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon

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First of all, you didn't make that swim. It's freezing cold, it's choppy water on the best day, there are sharks, you didn't make it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon

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Even if you did, as any of those guys, you get caught within six months robbing a bank, doing something stupid. None of these guys, they didn't all go get jobs in factories. Die einzige Sache, dass sie Karriere-Kriminelle waren, sie werden immer Karriere-Kriminelle sein. Sie waren alle in und aus der Gefängnis. Sie haben nicht rausgegangen und sich sauber gemacht. Sie haben es nicht gemacht.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Diese modernen Folktäten sind so interessant.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Es ist großartig. Ich will glauben, dass sie das gemacht haben. Ich will glauben, dass der Typ einen Faktor für seinen Job bekommen hat. Und jetzt ist er Manager. Er hat eine süße Mädchen. Er hat Kinder. Und er ist weggegangen. Ich will das glauben.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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First of all, he can't have that much money. He's flying commercial. So he can't be that rich.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Once a week at least.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon

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I don't know. They started searching these guys getting on the plane?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon

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Exactly. Can you imagine? You just walked on a plane before. That was it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon

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Oder sollten wir das tun? Hast du eine Meinung, oder hast du Angst?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon

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You're the smart guy. How did they stop on the airlines? They started searching the people more?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon

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They don't even ID. You basically write your name down. Das ist das Ding mit DB Cooper. Sie haben nie eine ID gesehen. Sie haben nur dein Ticket gekauft. Und das war es. Sie haben dein Name in einem Manifest geschrieben. Und das war es.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Ja, ich meine, es gibt, weißt du, wer weiß. Die Kinder sind so verdammt. Ja, ich meine, scanne sie. Aber ich fühle mich manchmal, ich weiß nicht, wie oft es ist, aber manchmal ist es nicht so, wie der in Tennessee oder Nashville. Es war ein Ex-Student, ein älterer Student, der einfach direkt in die...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon

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facility. Put officers in there. You don't really expect an answer. Put officers in there. What can you do? You can do metal detectors. A lot of places like in New York and these big cities, they have metal detectors. I don't know if it's stopping...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Ich würde denken, das wäre so etwas wie ein Job, den du nimmst, wie hey, du hast diese Aufgabe, aber es ist wie ein Jahr. Du kannst das nicht für fünf Jahre machen. Die Leute würden aufhören.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon

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20 Jahre von einfach wieder und wieder fliegen. Oh, fuck. Nein.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon

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Ich denke, die Explosionen benötigten eine Energieverschmutzung oder so etwas. Es war etwas wie, du kannst die Sache gar nicht schalten. Du kannst sie gar nicht, du kannst sie gar nicht mit Feuer erzeugen. Es muss wie eine Batterie sein.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon

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Ich erinnere mich besonders an die Fotografie des Flugzeugs, der noch ein wenig enttäuscht war.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oder Präsident Reagan, ich denke, ja, von ein paar Jahren früher. Und er ist geblieben in einer Tent. Yeah. Out in the backyard.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. What do you think happens to these people that go viral for just freaking out on the planes?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like yelling, screaming? A lot of those are... I mean, I was going to say, I actually... Ich sah etwas, das zeigte, dass das Leute waren, die verkaufen. Oder sie hatten ein halbes Flugzeug gebaut. Wir haben schon darüber gesprochen, dass sie einen high-priced Jet haben. Aber sie haben einen, der sieht so aus, als würde man ein bisschen filmen. Genau, genau.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon

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Es ist also eine ganze Sache, die sie da machen. Und darum versuchen sie es. Aber es gibt natürlich auch einige, die wirklich sind.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon

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TikTok mit der letzten, fast TikTok-Band. Was denkst du, wird passieren? Und wie ist das 12 Stunden für dich offline? Es war schlecht.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Es war schlecht, weil das war, als er diesen Text geschrieben hat, diesen panikenden Text. Hör auf, ich dachte, vielleicht sollte ich es kombinieren. Nein.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon

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Ja, ich würde sagen, wenn es nur 90 Tage dauert, wird es letztendlich verschwinden, richtig? Ich meine, das ganze Ziel ist es, sie zu verkaufen, zu einer anderen Firma, richtig? Wie verkaufen sie das?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Let it stay. We need it. Oh yeah, I need it too. You got a ton of followers on TikTok, right? I don't really have much of a theory, other than that's what I'm pulling for to keep it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, we're trying to... Yeah, I was going to say, there's other algorithms. I think somebody could come in and buy it, use their own algorithm. They could say, we'll sell you everything but the algorithm. And I think that somebody, I mean, let's face it, Facebook... Instagram, um, uh, what is it? Um, X, like they all have an algorithm, like you'll figure, you can figure out.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I was gonna say, but, you know, how much does this guy got?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He's out there kicking in towards, uh, Die Regierungsgebiete jetzt. Ich will sehen, wie die Karten geschnitten werden. Er macht gerade alles.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Glaubst du, dass FBI-Agenten jetzt, ich meine, ich vermute, dass sie es sind, alle über Social Media schauen, zum Beispiel, wenn du in deiner Position bist, in der gleichen Position, wie du 20 Jahre ago warst. Du suchst diese Leute auf Social Media, suchst sie auf ihre Namen. Relativen Menschen. War das 20 Jahre ago? Ja.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Also sagen wir, du investigierst einen finanziellen Krieg und sie sind wahrscheinlich auf ihren TikToks, Instagrams.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Ja, Bunnyhop. Hast du das gehört? Nein. Er hatte einen schwarzen Mann, ich sollte nicht sagen Kind, er war wahrscheinlich 25, 26, was auch immer. Aber er hatte ein Tattoo von seinem Namen. Nicht der größte furchtbare Straße-Name. Nein, und er hat tatsächlich den Namen bekommen. Und ich war so, wie hast du den Nickname Bunnyhop bekommen?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon

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He had to pee, Matt.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Er sagt, als ich ein kleines Kind war, ich habe den Bunnyhop gemacht, aber ich war wirklich gut daran. Ich war so, Yeah, not the tough ones. Yeah, it doesn't really strike fear into the heart of the bloods. His mom used to call him Buddyhop. And he had robbed the bank and he went home and he took all the money and laid on his bed and did a bunch of selfies of him with all this money around him.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But he did not take them out of the bank wrappers. And the wrappers... Listen. I think you guys might want to check this out. They checked it out. And then when they went to his house or down the street or his buddy that helped rob the bank, they went and they found the car that had been used. It was stolen. And one of them had left a prescription bottle in the vehicle that also had their name.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It was just like a Die Brotkuchen waren richtig. Das ist das Gleiche, als wenn du einen Banknoten auf dem Hintergrund deines Elektronikbills schreibst. Genau. Und ja, er war mit mir im Gefängnis. Aber ja, Social Media.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Es hilft nicht, wenn diese Leute sich selbst vorstellen. Ja, es bägt die Frage. Sie nennen mich Stinky. Entschuldigung. Wenn ich etwas mache, schaue ich sofort nach Colby, um zu sehen, ob er es bemerken wird. Und er macht es nicht. Das lässt mich wissen. Das geht in den Highlight Reel. Ich verstehe es. Ich verstehe es. Ja, Stinky. Ich habe dir gesagt, dass es einen Jungen in der Gefängnis gab.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Es gab einen Jungen namens Wee Wee und einen Jungen namens Dudu. Dudu war der Scheiß. Waren das Freunde? Oh, Dudu war der Scheiß. Das ist mein Vater-Joke. Aber das ist wahr. Und das war lustig, weil ein Mann mir gesagt hat, weil ich diesen Mann getroffen habe, als ich erst geschlossen wurde, ich war ein paar Monate alt, und ich sage, Bruder, weißt du, da ist ein Typ hier namens Wee-Wee.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Er sagt, nein, da ist ein Typ, der in der Gesetzesbibliothek arbeitet, namens Dudu. Und ich war so, ja, ich weiß Wee-Wee, aber ich bin ehrlich mit dir, Dudu ist der Scheiß. And I was just like, I come into prison and you just told like the worst prison dad joke.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Was Bunny Hop in that prison fight that you broke up? Yes, Bunny Hop was the guy. I'm sure Tom's never heard that story because he doesn't listen. Oh, that's right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So Bunny Hop is playing, you know, if you're, first of all, Chess is a game of dignity, of kings, of the aristocracy. Without question. Have you ever seen inmates play it? No. It's boiled all the way down to just street chess. Es kommt mir, es gibt ein Ding.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And they, of course, fast, too. They're like, oh, yeah, I got you, bitch. Now, what you gonna do? Oh, they slide the chess piece flight forward.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They're like, oh, I'm in your fucking house. I'm in your house now. What you gonna do now?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon

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I mean, it's just like...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

FBI AGENT Reveals Bizarre Stories Behind Airplane Freakouts | Tom Simon

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Es ist schrecklich. Vollkontakt-Chess. Schrecklich. Also diese beiden Jungs, einer von ihnen war Bunnyhop und einer von ihnen war ein Typ namens Flaco. Nun, Flaco ist in der, übrigens, für Mörder. Er hat Leute ermordet. Er ist ein Kartellmitglied. Er ist ein junger Kind. Vielleicht drückt er nur die Agenda. Aber er war da für Mörder. War das, was die federalen Befragung war? Ich weiß es nicht.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Aber er ist vermutlich mit einigen Mördern verbunden. In seinem Fall. Ja. Und er ist da, er könnte da für Drogen gewesen sein, aber es gab, und das ist alles Inmate-Gossip, wer weiß.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Sind sie talentierte Chess-Spieler? Haben sie gelernt? Diese Jungs sind großartig. Sie haben lange gespielt. Ich meine, es gab Jungs, die 30 Jahre geblieben waren, und alles, was sie in ihrem Locker hatten, waren Chess-Bücher. Ja, das macht Sinn. Sie konnten vier Jungs spielen, zehn Jungs, ohne sich an die Bordschritte zu achten. Sie waren großartig.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Sie werden nie aus dem Gefängnis kommen, aber sie konnten Chess spielen. Also, These guys are playing chess and we're kind of sitting there. And I mean, I'm right there at the table watching them, just thinking to myself like, what have you gotten yourself into? Look at these guys. And they're mouthing off to each other. And Flacco gets upset with Bunnyhop. Und er nimmt eine Penne.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Und es war nicht mal seine Penne. Er sitzt da, und er sagt, ja, du musst es schauen, Mann. Fuck that, I watch shit, motherfucker. I ain't watching nothing. You're getting your shit. And they're going back. Man, you better stop that shit. And they're going back and forth. And Flaco's Hispanic. But he has a black guy.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And literally, I think, I'm almost positive, somebody's filling out their commissary sheet. And Flaco looks over and he goes, yo, man, can I get that pen? And the guy goes, he goes, just for a second, he goes, yeah, and he hands it to him, he grabs it and he jumps up and stabs Buddy up.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I mean, da, da, you know, a couple of times, like, you know, and it doesn't do much, it's just a pin. Yeah. But even if I took a pin and stabbed you with it, like, it's gouging him, it's cutting, it's fucking him up. Then they get into a huge, it's a fist fight, a whole fist fight. I'll never forget, because it's so weird, because they kept hitting the wall.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And it's like they were rolling down the wall, fighting and kept banging on the wall and slamming and hitting the wall.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. Das sind die Filme. Der Kreschen-Officer sitzt an seinem Tisch. Das ist wie ein Podium. Er ist ein wenig aufgewachsen. Er ist etwa 50, 80 Meter entfernt. Er schreit. Hey, schießt das aus, ihr Jungs! Er schreit. Ich steige hoch. Diese Jungs haben einen riesigen Kampf. Sie punchen das und das. Und dann ist es so, dass die Mexikaner überlaufen.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Und sie starten, die Scheiße aus Bunnyhop zu schießen. And I jump up and I run over and I go, hey, that's enough, right? And they stop. Look at you. No. A black guy that's like six foot four was in the shower, walked out of the shower naked, suds dripping off him, holding his junk.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And he walks up behind me like he's about to get involved.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I actually for a moment, for a moment, I actually thought to myself like, wow, these guys really respect me. Because they stopped and turned around. They're looking at me. So you got all the Mexicans looking at me for just a second. Everything stops. And I realized, then you kind of realized like the closest guy is kind of looking above me. And I turn around and it's this massive guy.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And I remember he's holding his junk. And he's standing there like this. And I remember thinking, ah, fuck. He's dripping. I was like, ah, I'm too close to this guy. He's like a foot behind me. He's way too close. So I turn around and walk off. By that point,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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By that point, the guards are, now the doors are open, they're coming in, they're like, get in your rooms, get in your cells, get in your cells. Everybody goes back, goes in their cells. And I remember it was funny, because Bunnyhop, the whole time, or after it kind of stopped, before the guards were kind of swarming in at that moment, he starts yelling at all the black guys.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Ist like, damn, because these guys beat the tar out of him for only about 20 or 30 seconds. Yeah. But you get six Mexicans on you for 30 seconds. That's a fucking beating. Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And so he starts screaming like, damn, you're going to let them do that to me. You're going to let them do. That's how it is. You're going to let. It's like, bro, like, what do you think?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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All from a game of chess. All from very disrespectful chess. I mean, all these guys are very disrespectful. Did they have dominoes also?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That's horrible too. The whole thing is horrible. No respect. I didn't get the respect that I thought I was deserved. It was very disappointing. Well, look at you now. I remember the next day telling everybody, because these two guys are gone now. The next day I'm telling everybody at our little table, I'm like, listen, you know, last night, I'm like, do you realize I'm in the sand?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They're like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you remember me screaming? They're like, yeah, yeah. I said, and then they all stopped and turned around. I said, do you understand, for a split second I thought that they like, I was like, wow, like they stopped because I yelled, they like respected me. And everybody, that's the reaction I got.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Ja, ja. Es ist lustig, der Kerl, der wir einen Podcast mitgemacht haben, kam und saß unten. Also zuerst einmal die Wand. Ich habe dir vorhin gesagt, als ich diese Wand gepaintert habe, für zwei, drei Monate, vielleicht vier Monate mit Jess, war ich ständig, hör mal, ich will diese Wand rot anpainten. Und sie ist so, du kannst die Wand nicht rot anpainten. We're not painting the wall red.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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She's like, we don't own this place. It's a rental. We have a deposit. I'm like, okay, I have a deposit. You came in after the fact. You contributed. Plus one to this dance. Right. And I'm like, and I'll paint it. She's like, no, no.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Listen, I painted a wall black upstairs for Boziak, the guy that lives here. And he moved. And I've already painted it back. Like, I mean, he was gone, what, a month? I mean, just... Es ist bereits fertig. Also habe ich kein Problem damit. Aber es ging immer wieder zurück und wieder zurück. Und dann hat sie gesagt, wenn du die Wand malen willst, ist alles klar. Du kannst die Wand malen.

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Also habe ich die Wand malen. Wir haben so viele Komplimente auf dieser Wand bekommen. Und der Typ, der hierher kam, gerade bevor du da warst, hat gesagt, hör mal, ich will dir sagen, dein Podcast ist so professionell.

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I misrepresented that.

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Aber okay. Okay, das ist genug. Können wir mich pluggen? Oh, ja, ja, ja. 26 Jahre FBI. Nein, nein, nein.

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Ja, ja, wir machen das. Aber jetzt bist du ein licensed Florida, ich sage immer licensed Florida private investigator?

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I mean, they rerouted an airplane. I still feel like that's super serious. Having to reroute an airplane is super serious. I mean, I feel like that's probably punishable by... Ja, ja, ja. So bad. It seizes the dad jokes. I reject your dad joke.

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I won't leave that part in, because you're going to explain it a lot better than the link in the description.

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Und diese Links sind in der Beschreibung. Ja, danke, Mann. Ich freue mich.

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Klick auf es. Ja, deine Sachen kommen immer wieder.

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Kein Problem. Ich habe eine Frage für dich. Wo hast du die Warnphrase gekommen? Be cool and be cool. Where did you come up with that? Have I asked you this before?

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Does your mom ever go?

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I couldn't even tell you. It's funny, I didn't even think it was necessarily even a thing. Like the whole, you know, when I go see you. That's good. I didn't even think that was, like, I don't know what, I don't even know how that came about. I just did it once and then I started doing it. Because it is, you got, how do you end it? And then I, the other day I was...

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I was in First Watch and my wife and I were sitting there and this guy walked, I saw him kept glancing at me. I noticed that people will do that sometimes. He glanced at me and glanced at me. As he was walking by, he was looking at me. He goes, I love your stuff, bro. I said, oh, thank you. He goes, see ya. It's fun. That's when I was like, oh, wow. I said, that's kind of a thing.

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Of course, my wife's like, do you want the waffles?

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Weil ich mir immer gedacht habe, wie wäre es, sitzen und im Bett in der Gefängnis zu sitzen, überlegen zu müssen, um deine Karten zu bezahlen, und dann hier zu sitzen und Leute zu haben, die dich kennen und so. Das ist unglaublich. Das ist das coolste Ding je.

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I didn't even know what we were talking about.

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We had some guy on who was talking about Going on a podcast and getting 100,000 views is worth more than paying half a million dollars to get on TV and get 10 million views. Because the truth is, on that TV program you have 30 seconds and most people click it off. But here, for doing a two-hour podcast, they get to know who you are. It's so much more beneficial to you. And it's free.

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Schön. What was the name of the TV show? Real quick, we'll wrap it up. You can cut all this out if you want. I was just thinking, what was the name of the one Bruce Willis was in it? Moonlighting?

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Ja, ich habe es nicht gesehen. Du weißt, was ich fast die ganze Zeit gesehen habe? Ich habe wahrscheinlich zwei Saison davon gesehen.

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Es ist ein ziemlich schlechtes Show. Es ist nicht schlecht, aber die Fahrradfahrten und die Kampfszenen... Wir sind mit Magnum P.I. und Simon & Simon zusammengewachsen. Ich bekomme immer noch ältere Leute, die mich fragen, ob ich ein privater Investigator bin, der Simon heißt.

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Okay. Der Grund, warum ich dich gefragt habe, ist, weil du das erste Mal gekommen bist. Es gibt einen Freund aus unserer Familie. Dieser Mann hat in D.C. gearbeitet. Ich wusste nie wirklich, was er gemacht hat, aber er arbeitet. Ich vermute, er war immer ein Art CIA oder so. Und sein Name ist Tom Simon. Und sie leben jetzt in Florida.

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Interessant, ja. Weißt du, was er jetzt macht?

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I think he works at maybe the Air Force Base.

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It's funny, I've mentioned that I've known probably four or five people named Mike Hayes. Und dann hatte ich eigentlich einen Mann namens Matthew Cox. Oh, ja. Es gibt natürlich mehrere Menschen, aber es gab eigentlich einen Mann, mein Freund Danny, der damals ein Bartender war. Er hat eigentlich drei Bars gestartet und er ist eines Tages in der Bar gearbeitet. Und das war, als ich...

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Ich war auf dem Weg, aber es kamen ständig Artikel über mich. Ich war ein Jahr oder zwei da. Dieser Kerl hat ihn gefragt um seine ID und er hat gesagt, dass er Matt Cox ist. Das ist lustig. Er hat gesagt, dass er mit Matt Cox aufgewachsen ist. Er fragte, ob er auf dem Weg ist. Er sagte, dass er auf dem Weg ist. Er hat gesagt, dass er sein Leben verloren hat. Das hat er getan.

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Er hat gesagt, dass er auf dem Weg ist. Und er sagt, oh, wirklich? Er sagt, ja. Er sagt, jedes Mal, wenn ich für ein Job interviewt, versuche ich, eine Frau zu vertreten. Und er hat einfach angefangen, all diese schrecklichen Dinge zu nennen, die passiert sind. Also als ich rausgekommen bin.

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I got, I tried to get, you know, Matt Cox, tried to get matt.cox, you know, at Gmail, but I ended up going with contact.matthew.cox. And the problem is, is he actually has the, he has matthew.cox at Gmail. To this day, he's still getting your emails? He forwards them to me. Oh, that's funny.

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So everyone's, when I first got out, he would forward an email, because what happens is people see contact.matthew.cox, and they think the contact, yeah. So he would forward them to me and I was like, so one day I get this from, you know, Matt Cox saying, hey, I think this is your, you know, I think this was meant for you. We have the same, you know, same email, except you have contact.

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So he said, by the way, here, sent it. And I was like, oh, wow, bro. I said, uh, I'm going to assume that you've looked me up and I've probably cost you some problems over the years. And he came back, he said, you have no idea how many problems you've cost me over the years. And I sent him back and I said, listen. I would love to hear about it.

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If you want to talk to me about it, if you want to call me up, if you want to cuss me out, if you want to tell me I'm a scumbag. I said, I totally, because I don't know if it's the same guy. I said, I totally understand and I am so, so sorry that if I've caused you any problems. And he goes, it's fine, bro. I'll keep forwarding your emails. Und ich habe wahrscheinlich 20 E-Mails von ihm bekommen.

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Das ist wirklich nett von ihm, dass du das tust. Sehr nett von ihm. Aber für alles, was ich weiß, ist er nicht fordernd.

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Richtig. An diesem Punkt habe ich ihn in Jahren nicht gehört.

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By the way, there was another guy named Matthew Cox that was texting me. They contacted me on Instagram and said, yo, bro, we have the same name. And by the way, he had been locked up, I want to say for steroids. He had a whole steroid. He did like five years for steroids. They had all this stuff. Ich habe eine ganze Krimiszene. Und ich war so, Bro, du musst auf die Show kommen.

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Er war so, oh mein Gott, ich will auf die Show kommen. Wir sind zurückgegangen. Wir haben eigentlich etwas geschedult. Und dann kam er zurück. Er war so, ich kann nicht. Etwas passiert. Er konnte nicht.

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Er war so, Bro, du musst auf die Show kommen. Er war so, ich weiß, ich will, ich will. Und dann habe ich ihn noch nie gehört. Aber ich habe seine Nummer. Ich sollte ihn kontaktieren.

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Ich denke, wir sind fertig. Wir sind fertig. Ist das alles? Danke, dass du gekommen bist. Hey you guys, I appreciate you watching. Do me a favor, hit the subscribe button, hit the bell so you get notified of videos just like this. Also please check in the description box. We're going to put all of Tom's links in the description box. You can go to his Instagram, TikTok and his website.

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I'm assuming you have a website. Yeah. And his website. And contact him if you need a private investigator. Thank you very much. I appreciate it. See ya. Let me do this, Colby. See ya and be cool. And be cool.

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Ist es etwa sechs Stunden?

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I was going to say, it sounded pretty good to me.

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Aber was, wenn man im Kühlschrank ist?

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Did we reroute the flight?

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I think the problem with... My feeling for that is that there was... Ja. Ja. Right.

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Und dann, was die neue Gesetzgebung angeht, ich meine, die Gesetzgebung hängt wirklich weg. Sie hängt weg von Pupp Daddy. Ich meine, das ist die Gesetzgebung. Sie hängt wirklich weg von ihm. Und dann, weißt du, später in der Gesetzgebung, sagen sie, schau, das ist, was passiert ist. Jay-Z war da. Er war der erste, der auf sie springt. Sie war 13 Jahre alt, dass er es macht. Und

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After drinking just a portion of that drink, plaintiff began to feel woozy and lightheaded, making her need to lie down. A photograph of an actual container used by Combs and or his agents, employees to insert GHB into alcohol drinks is seen below. Was he really, you know, hitting these chicks with the Mickeys? I think he was. I think that there's a bunch of allegations throughout.

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But I don't know. Like I said, birds of a feather flock together. Jay-Z can't be hanging out with Puffy and not know what's going on. Did this actually happen? I mean, it's going to be sorted out in court, right? And there is a part in here, which I don't know exactly what page it was on, where they actually write it up and say, look, you know, they committed a violent act.

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They committed a violent crime. Remember. Wenn du siehst, dass Lil Rod oder was auch immer sein Gesetz ist, wie ich gesagt habe, es wurde wie ein Beurteilung geschrieben. Und sie beurteilen alle föderalen Verletzungen, die Puffy verurteilt hat. Und jetzt beurteilen sie, hey, schau, diese Jungs verurteilten das Gesetz. Sie verurteilten einen gewaltigen Krimi, einen gewaltigen Gefängnis.

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Also, weißt du, was noch kommt? Ist da noch mehr zu kommen? Also, ich weiß nicht. Es ist ein bisschen so, dass ich das Teil darüber sehe. Oh, hier geht es. Ich denke, das ist es, richtig? The plaintiff hereby incorporates each of the foregoing paragraphs as if fully set forth herein.

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By forcing S-Contact on the plaintiff as a minor female, Defendant Combs and Carter committed a crime of violence motivated by gender under the Victims of Gender Motivated Violence Protection Act as defined in New York City Administrative Code Subsection 10-1103. So now, you know, what are they going to do? I mean, are they going to start shooting at these people?

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Are they so, you know, like when this happened with Lil Rod, I think they went and took this stuff over to the feds. It was like, look, man, you know, we dropped this lawsuit. Here's the videos because he wanted to get paid. Right. So if he drops these videos and writes it like like a criminal complaint, it's a lawsuit, but it's a criminal complaint. And Puffy ends up in jail and gets convicted.

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So, I mean, like what you talked about earlier. I mean, once you're convicted, I mean, it's hard to get out of it.

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Ich meine, ich glaube nicht, dass es ausgelöst wird. Ich glaube, dass sie es litigieren werden. Und ich meine, er wird es müssen. Ich meine, am Ende des Tages, wie wird er beweisen, dass es nicht passiert ist? Richtig.

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Ich glaube, es öffnet es auf die Erfindung. Ich meine, und was sie, ich meine, die Lehrer folgen diesem Verhandlung. Hat er etwas, das er nicht hat, du weißt, in den kriminellen Verhandlungen, Lehrer halten zurück. Es können andere Dinge sein, richtig? Und sie, vielleicht haben sie einige Beweise. Vielleicht hat sie einige Bilder.

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dann kommt Puffy auf sie und es gibt noch einen anderen Frauen-Selbstständigen da. Und damals, wer sind die Frauen-Selbstständigen? J-Lo? Ich meine, es ist jemand, richtig? Es ist wirklich passiert, so zu sprechen.

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Und ich meine, wenn sie eine Bilder hat, die zeigt, dass sie tatsächlich am Party war mit Puffy und Jay-Z in der Bilder, wie du weißt, ich meine, guck, irgendwo.

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Also, ja, ich denke, es ist möglich. Ich meine, wenn das Ganze startet, was denkst du, dass Jay-Z macht? Er ist in einem Dilemma. Das ist, warum er nicht aufhört. Wenn er aufhört, dann was? Es kommt raus, dass Jay-Z aufhört, um den großen Arsch einer 13-jährigen Mädchen zu machen. Was sonst? Und dann starten die Leute. Vielleicht sind es andere Leute, die nicht vorgekommen sind.

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Oder einige Leute sind wie, oh, ich war in schlechten Situationen mit diesem Kerl. Und es gibt ein Video von Rihanna, in dem Rihanna gesagt hat, dass sie in den Studio gestanden war. Ich meine, sie können es in Propaganda verändern. Und Jay-Z sagt, man, sie war nicht in dem Studio, bis sie einen Vertrag eingeführt hat. Das war um drei Uhr morgens.

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Sie konnte bis drei Uhr morgens weggehen, bis sie den Vertrag eingeführt hat. Ich meine, dieses Video ist raus. Es ist gerade da.

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I mean, people are making it look that way. Or was it just them saying like, yo, we were working on that contract. Or, you know, are people turning into, yo, they strong-armed her, kept her in there. He said it. She wasn't leaving until that contract was signed. And she left at three in the morning.

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Look, you got that going on, right? How old was Foxy Brown, you know? You got him hanging out with Puffy and pretty much, man, I think Puffy's cooked. I mean, there's a lot, wherever there's smoke, there's usually fire, right?

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Aber es ist einfach zu viel Scheiß, was mit Puffy passiert ist, um dir zu sagen, schau, du sollst, hey, er ist nicht schuldig, bis der Jurist, schau, Mann, die Beweise sehen nicht gut aus für Puffy, richtig? Und du weißt, in der Anfangszeit war Puffy so, Hey, you know, there's a bunch of bullies, people are out for a money grab. Kind of what Jay-Z is saying right now, right?

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Sie ist 13 Jahre alt. A lot of these people, you know, look, the Harvey Weinsteins, like you see what that dude's wife looked like. Let's keep it real. You know what I mean? She's pretty hot, right? You think that she's like, man, I love Harvey Weinstein. He's the dude that I know. And back then, you know, this is, unfortunately, this is how this shit worked.

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Reese Witherspoon, you know, she says, hey, look, he did this to me. You know what he told her? So you want to be in movies? You want me to make you famous? Yeah, this is what it is. Und, du weißt, es ist, was es ist, richtig? Diese Leute haben damals viele schlechte Sachen gemacht. Viele von diesen Leuten dachten, sie seien über das Gesetz. Sie waren nicht verantwortlich.

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Sie sind in diesen großen Kreisen. Das sind die Celebriten. Sie haben all das Geld. Die Leute schützen diese Leute nicht. Die Frauen kommen nicht voran. Sie sind in kompromissvollen Positionen. Und sie denken, man, ich will, ich will, ich will, ich will, ich will, ich will, ich will. You know, I do want to hang out at the VMAs and be around these celebrities.

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And, you know, this is what I really want. And these cats were using that stuff to, you know, whether they were white, black, Hispanic. A lot of these dudes were using that to their advantage. I mean, Harvey Weinstein isn't, you know, he wasn't the flyest guy around, right? And he's marrying people that look like supermodels and having kids with them. Why? You know what it is, man.

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There's a money grab, whatever. And, you know, eventually it doesn't work out for Puffy and he's probably going to prison, I would say, for the rest of his life. I mean, it looks like he's probably going to go to trial. I said before, I think he's like, the dude's an absolute maniac, I believe. Aber wenn es um Jay-Z geht, ist das nur der Anfang des Endes? Wer weiß? Nur Zeit wird sagen.

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She was paper chasing, man.

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Und weißt du was? Leute wie Harvey Weinstein, alles passiert, er ist glücklich im Leben. Und jetzt verwendet er seine Influenz, seine Macht und sein Geld und hat vergessen, wer er wirklich war als Person. Und sie werden, oder vielleicht werden sie tatsächlich, wer sie wirklich sind.

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Er war wirklich ein Predator und würde nie in normalen Umständen die Dinge tun können, die er gemacht hat, bis er seine Influenz, Geld und Macht hatte. Richtig?

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Und ich weiß, dass ich ein Video gemacht habe über Puff Daddy. Und Leute schreiben mir und sagen, hey, schau dir das an. Du weißt, dieser Junge ist nicht verurteilt. Was ist los? Es ist drei Monate später. Du warst falsch. Ich bin so, hey, Mann, langsam. Ja, sie kommen, um dich zu holen.

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Even if he didn't, even if he did or didn't, whatever. I mean, with the trial coming up, this discovery is going to come out, the people that were there. You got, you know, pretty much you got the Trump administration coming in like, yeah, we're going to put out these lists. And you think Trump, Trump don't have a, you know, he don't have a axe to grind with Puff Daddy.

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Like he felt like they were friends at one time and he didn't come out and support them and help with the African-American community. And now, you know, You got the FBI nominee director there a couple of weeks ago. And they're like, look, we're going to put out the Weinstein list. We're going to put out, you know, I mean, the other cats list. They're going to put his list out.

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They're going to put out, you know, the list for Puff Daddy. I think they probably are going to do that. So eventually people are going to see these names and these allegations anyway. So whether or not Puffy settled or Jay-Z settled, if he did, it's still probably going to be discovered.

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I think that he didn't settle when they sent this letter to him saying, hey, look, we can resolve this because he can't have his name attached to settling with an allegation involving him with a 13-year-old girl. He just can't do it. I mean, because once you do that, guess what? The snowball effect, right? Just keeps getting worse and it keeps getting bigger and it keeps getting bigger.

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And how many other people? And of course, man, you know, whether this is true or not. And I keep saying that there are going to be some people that are going to make some allegations that probably aren't true. There are going to be some lawsuits that aren't true, where people are just going to go ahead and try to, you know, get a couple out. Even if it's, let me jump on this thing for 25 grand.

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Yeah, I was at that party too. I'm from New York. Look, you know, like, come on, man. I think that he has to defend himself. And in defending himself, just like people say about P. Diddy, had he settled with Lil' Ron and Cassie, which he ended up doing in the beginning anyway, Ich meine, schau dir das an, wenn er alle das alles verkauft, wird es einfach schlimmer.

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Und ich meine, und hier gibt es jeden, fast jeden Befehl namens in diesem, in diesem Befehl, nennen wir es, richtig? In diesem neuen Befehl. Ich meine, sie beschreiben alle, Mann. Wie, schau, er wird von dieser Person verurteilt, verurteilt von dieser Person, weil er schuldig ist. Weißt du?

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Ich glaube, Lil Ron hat die ganze Zeit geplottet. Er ist ein kleiner Videograf. Er hat geplottet. Er ist da, um Bilder von Leuten zu nehmen. Du hast Bilder von Cuba Gooding Jr. in deinem Arsch. Du wusstest, was du tust. Du hast sie aufgemacht. For the right day. Look, I was in prison for 20 years straight. This is what I did, man. I did legal work every day. I didn't watch TV.

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I watched the news, right? I was a political junkie, so to speak. And I was a, you know, people say it. I don't have to say it. I was the best jailhouse lawyer in the system. And, you know, you can look at this Daniel Penny case. You know, you got this one dude that's, you know... Der BLM-Mann, der sagt, hey, es müssen Riots in der Straße sein. Okay, okay, geh raus und riot.

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But, you know, Jay-Z also responds to this lawsuit and says, hey, check this out, you ain't getting a one red cent, all of that stuff. And that's kind of what Puffy did too, right, man? Go ahead and sue me, you ain't getting shit. Dann, weißt du, die Beurteilung, weißt du, von seinem Produzenten da, als das gemacht wurde, habe ich gesagt, hey, das sieht aus wie eine Beurteilung.

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Und dieser Kerl wird nicht mal deinen Namen kennen, wenn du jemanden tötest. Er wird dir keinen Dollar schicken. Und, you know, look, it's unfortunate when someone loses their life, right? And we've been in prison, but we can look at, like, the dude that dies, right? I want to pull this up while we're talking.

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He puts Jordan Neely in a chokehold, right? Jordan Neely is a mental health patient, been arrested numerous times in New York City. He gets on the public transportation, starts talking about he's going to do this to people, he's got a knife, he's got a gun, I'm going to kill this person. Kill that person. But then you have people out here defending them, right?

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You have some people that have prison content and stuff like that. And they're like, man, I hate Choskys. I hate people that do stuff to kids. I hate people that are SOs. I hate people that are R's. But you know what? This Daniel Penny, man, this dude's a piece of shit. He killed this dude. But let's look at Jordan Neely in 2015. He kidnapped a seven-year-old girl.

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Is this the guy you want to defend? In 2019, Jordan Neely punched a 64-year-old man in the face. And I believe this, I might be wrong about this. I think it might have been an African-American 64-year-old man. In 2021, Jordan Neely slugged a 67-year-old woman in the face as she exited the sub. Man, that's somebody's grandmother, bro. Breaking her nose and fracturing her orbital bone.

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Neely was arrested 44 times but never faced real justice for terrorizing New Yorkers. Does that mean that, you know, Daniel Penny should go throw Jordan Neely in a chokehold and kill him? Probably not. But let me ask this question, right, for your viewers that are watching. And I did a little something on this on a live on Blood on the Razor Wire TV. Leave that clip in there.

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Go check us out over there. Look, he gets on this public transportation. What if he did have a knife? What if he did have a gun? Everybody's in danger, whether you're Hispanic, you're black, you're white. Everyone's in danger, right? And then after all this stuff happens, a couple of weeks ago, we see this nutcase in New York City. You ever been to New York City, Matt?

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I've been to New York City numerous times. I'm from New York, right? People are out there screaming. You're like, damn, man, there are some real weirdos there. There's some people where you're like, yo, this dude, he ends up killing three people.

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So now some little boy doesn't have a mother anymore because this guy who had mental health issues like Jordan Neely decided, you know what, I'm just going to start stabbing people out here. Construction worker, I think he was 36 years old. His son and his daughter don't have a father anymore because this guy killed them. So these are the people that you're dealing with.

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Und dann wurde das Beurteilung, was man sagen könnte, eine Beurteilung. Eine Beurteilung, die ihm sein Leben kosten könnte. Und dann, wie weit Jay-Z geht, ich meine, er sagt, hey, Mann, schreibe nicht einen zivilen Beurteilung, schreibe einen kriminellen Beurteilung. Ist das, weil die Statue der Bedingungen ist?

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So what happens if Jordan Neely did have a knife on him that day? Und er hat die Leute auf dem Train startet. Wäre Daniel Penny jetzt ein Hero gewesen? Ich meine, du weißt nicht, was dieser Kerl, du weißt nicht, was dieser Kerl kapabel war. Absoluter Mental-Health-Gesetz. Ich denke, er lockt in diesem, weißt du, Schockholz und sagt, weißt du was, ich werde diesen Jungen für immer schlafen lassen.

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I really don't believe that was his intention. I believe his intention was like, man, I am a little bit nervous. You know, I was confronted with a situation at the post office where this dude was in that case. And this was probably about a year ago. And I guess dude comes in there and threatens them all the time. And they don't even come arrest them. We're in New York.

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You get a parents ticket, right? And I'm thinking, damn, man, I'm thinking I'm in a real life situation. And I do have a little PTSD. I spent 20 years straight in my life in prison. And I'm thinking, man, what should I do to this dude, man? Am I in danger? So when you're putting this dude in a chokehold, I don't think he's intending to like take this dude's life.

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He's like, oh, this is a black dude. I'm going to kill this dude. No, I don't believe that at all. I believe in the heat of the moment, man, he was nervous and he locked it in and maybe he should have let him go when people, hey, it's over, you know, whatever. But sometimes you're not, you know, when you're in the heat of the moment, you're not in the right state of mind.

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You know, I was on a prison yard in USP Big Sandy where I'm being jumped by like five dudes because I pretty much tell the shot caller, go fuck yourself. You're not telling me what to do. I'm not doing what you tell me to do anymore. You're a junkie.

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stevie burke out of boston straight junkie right and his you know his case really is based on some of that stuff from the movie the town he was our shot caller he was a vicious dude and he sent some people to get me because i pretty much tell him like bro i'm not listening to you no more you're a junkie you don't tell me what to do bro you don't tell me Ich habe interviewt

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This is the 48 laws of power. This is the deflection, right? For anyone that's read the 48 laws of power. You know what they say, Matt? Birds of a feather flock together. You can't separate yourself from all these pictures and being at all these parties with Puffy and act like, man, you didn't know what was happening or what was going on.

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People that talk, I don't usually talk about my own shit, but I'm out there working. I'm not stopping. In the heat of the moment, they're shooting. Boom, boom. Get on the ground. I'm not stopping. Those dudes stop. I grabbed the dude that hit me in the mouth, who was a kid named Ace, wore him back. He split my lip open. I still got a bubble inside my lip. I had to get stitches.

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But he gets on the ground when they start shooting. I'm not getting on the ground. I grab his shirt and I start hitting him. Boom, boom, I'm cracking this dude. I'm not stopping. Even though they're firing, sometimes you're not aware of everything that's going on because you're in this panic mode. And in Big Sandy, I'm fighting for my life, literally.

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Eventually, this kid Ace ends up getting shot from the gun tower with an AR-15. They shoot him through the back, blow his guts out. And the nurse is trying to push his shit back in and get the dirt off him. He dies. He loses his life. Aber weißt du, wenn du im Wettbewerb bist, im Wettbewerb im Moment, kannst du nicht auf alles, was los ist, aufmerksam machen. Du denkst dir, oh, ich bin in Gefahr.

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Du hast Leute, die promoting, du weißt, ich versuche, das zu finden, warum wir reden, aber du hast Leute, die Propaganda promoten. They're like, hey man, go out and do this, like this guy. Hawk Newsome calls for vigilantes. He's asking for the African American community and it says for black vigilantes. And this ain't no racial shit, man. It is what it is.

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I help more black people get out of prison than anyone else. I got some really close friends that I help get out of prison. To step up in response to Daniel Penny's acquittal. So you want these people to go out there and create havoc, right? You want these people to go out there and go nuts. What are you going to do for them if they get arrested? That's what I want to know.

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You're going to send them some commissary money? You ain't going to do shit for these people, man. You're inciting these people and you're doing all this shit, man, to pad your pocket. That's what you're doing. Und weißt du was? Ich bin so müde von den Leuten, von der politischen Gerechtigkeit und all dem Scheiß, Mann.

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Schau, Mann, wenn ich, wenn es ein weißer Kerl war auf der öffentlichen Transport, du weißt, doing that shit, man, and your grandmother sitting there, I want Daniel Penny to choke him out. I might not want to kill a black dude, a white dude. I don't think people, I don't like when people lose their lives, man. But you know what, man? It's a dangerous place.

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I would want that dude to save my grandmother. I'm sure most of your viewers would, too. Aber wenn Leute sagen, hey, das ist genug, vielleicht hätte er es stoppen sollen. Vielleicht hätte er es stoppen sollen. Vielleicht hätte er es stoppen sollen. Vielleicht hätte er es stoppen sollen. Vielleicht hätte er es stoppen sollen. Vielleicht hätte er es stoppen sollen.

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So, yeah, I think that maybe he might be a little bit, at the very least, bro, I mean, they're gonna probably destroy his reputation to a certain extent. Where people are like, damn, bro, implicated 13-year-old girl, you're hanging out with Puffy, he's playing the skin flute, like, what's up with you, though? You know, you're this gangster-ass dude, rapper. I don't know, man.

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Vielleicht hätte er es stoppen sollen. Vielleicht hätte er es stoppen sollen.

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You know, what I really want these people to do when they're out there like, hey, we got to take to the streets. Hey man, go to that federal courthouse, right? Go down there and tell them to let LaValle Farmer out of prison. This is a black dude from Brooklyn. You know, I did a case for him. He's probably completed more programs than any dude in prison, in the whole prison system.

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Ich meine, das ist ein Typ, der, du weißt, er ist ein Lehrer, er hat sein Leben umgekehrt, er endete mit einem Lebensentwurf als junger Mann, er wurde ohne Mutter geboren, seine Mutter, wie sie sie auf dem, du weißt, an diesem, an der, an der Kirche am Montag und sagt Tschüss, dieser Kerl war verletzt, Mann, die Mutter macht ihn draußen auf der, auf der Tür im November, Dezember, da draußen auf der, auf der Feuerabschiebung, du weißt, mit keinen Kleid auf, als Verletzung, füllen sie Reis mit Ketchup, dieser Kerl hatte keinen Schuss in das Leben.

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He ends up in prison with a life sentence. He's been in prison over 20 years, turned his life around. I want this dude right here to go down to the federal courthouse and get all these protesters, right? I want Hawk Newsome to go down there and protest that this African-American dude that deserves a second chance

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This black dude right here, who's actually a really good friend of mine, deserves to get out of prison. Go down there and march at the courthouse for that shit. Let's go to the White House and march for people like Michelle West, right? Michelle West's got a life sentence. Her boyfriend was a major drug dealer. She's been in prison 30 years, man. Why aren't they fucking protesting for that?

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Go down there and protest for that. Trump's going to grant... Trump's granting pardons to the January Sixers, bro. It's not even a doubt. And once Biden did that shit for his son, he sealed their fate. So when he pardons the January Sixers, let's get the Michelle West in there. Let's get the Laval Farmers in there. Let's get the Ian Owens in there.

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Jay-Z war da. Er war der erste, der auf sie springte.

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These are all African-American people that are serving life sentences, man, that deserve a second chance. They turn their lives around. I got a second chance, right? And my second chance, I think I've done pretty good with it the last four and a half years I've been out of prison. But they deserve it probably more than I did. Yet they can't get out of prison.

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Ian Owens can't get out because he's in the Sixth Circuit. They're like, oh no, Stack 924Cs, we're just going to blow you off. And the Sentencing Commission didn't mean that. They didn't mean it over there in the Sixth Circuit, but they meant it in the Second. That's all bullshit, man. It's ways for, we'll call it what it is, ways for a white judge to keep a black dude in prison.

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Did I deserve to go to prison? Of course I did. I didn't deserve 40 years at 24 years old. I think I deserved a 10-year sentence. It would have taught me some shit, right? Same thing with these people. So when these people are out here, and then there's this other young dude, there's a video out on auf Twitter, wo ein Junge sagt, ich habe Angst vor diesem amerikanischen Justizsystem.

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And then you go back to some of them, like that Ether song by Nas, where he talks about, you know, he crushes Jay-Z and Aaron and says, look, man, you know, pretty much sleeping on the couch. You were ugly and you didn't have no chicks. You know, you were kind of like an outcast back then. You didn't have no money. Eventually Jay-Z becomes, you know,

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Du kannst sagen, er hat etwas Zucker in seinem Tank. Er könnte ein wenig mentale Verwirrung haben. Er ruft Leute an, um raus zu gehen und einfach zu anderen Leuten in der Straße zu gehen. Du hast nicht mal ein Konzept für das Leben. Und du wirst wahrscheinlich jetzt im Gefängnis sein, um, weißt du, in New York City zu besuchen. Du weißt keine Scheiße.

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Aber geh da runter und kämpfe für die Leute, die es verdient, aus dem Gefängnis zu kommen. Lass uns da runtergehen. Lass uns da runtergehen, wo der echte Gerechtigkeit benötigt wird. Richtig? So, you know, that's my opinion. Let's go down to the White House when Trump's getting ready. The paperwork's probably already being done.

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He says on day one, man, these January Sixers, a whole bunch of them are getting out. So let's include all the other people too.

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I mean, he's got more money than you could count, probably. But, you know, back then he wasn't that dude. And I'm sure we've all grown up around kids that weren't that dude. Didn't really get no chicks and stuff like that back then. Who knows what he was doing when he started getting famous?

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I mean, that's the real narrative, you know? I mean, there's all kinds of wild things going on in the world, right? Every day. Look at the guy with the insurance thing. This kid. Prominent family. The family's got money. He seems like a pretty educated dude. They own a bunch of golf courses in Maryland.

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I think, I'm not positive, but I know he went to some big schools, right? I don't know if I read about the master's degree. He may, he may very well have. But you can tell, you know, educated dude, but he's bent. He's like, look, man, he ends up getting hurt, I think, in a surfing, you know, incident, gets some stuff in his back.

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And, you know, sometimes people are like, look at these insurance companies, man. They're just, they're robbing people. And I talked about this the other day, like car insurance. I pay 500 and something dollars a month in car insurance for me and my wife. And Ich denke mir, verdammt, Mann, meine Frau hat die Garage-Tür geschlossen.

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Sie sagt, ich werde das Geld nicht an die Sicherheitsbehörde anmelden. Wir werden es einfach aus dem Koffer bezahlen. Also ist es, was, noch einmal 1.200 Dollar aus deinem Koffer? Was haben wir für Sicherheitsbehörde? Nun, wenn wir es anmelden, dann werden sie es noch mehr anmelden. Also die Sicherheitsfirma, du hast diese Leute bezahlt. Diese Jungs leben in diesen Häusern.

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Denk einfach, ich bin nur eine Person. Sind sie von uns 6.000 pro Jahr? Und wir haben es nie anmelden können. Wir bekommen nichts zurück. So, you know, your car lasts you five, six years. I mean, we're paying these people $40,000 for nothing. They're living off of us. 30, 40 grand, you know. And there's thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of people. They're milking people, man.

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Und weißt du was, dieser Junge war einfach in einem Zustand der Meinung. Ich meine, er hat wahrscheinlich einige psychische Probleme, obwohl er, weißt du, das gleiche wie der Junge, der mit dem Batman-Film gearbeitet hat, richtig? Der Junge ist witzig, aber einige Jungs können witzig sein, aber sie haben noch einige psychische Probleme.

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Dieser Katz hatte natürlich einige psychische Probleme, wo er sich aufgedreht hat, er hat das Manifesto geschrieben und gesagt hat, sie verdienen alles, was sie bekommen. Weißt du, ich werde es ihnen geben. Und sie sagen, hey, das ist meine Mission. Leute glauben an Missions, Bruder.

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Ob du im Gefängnis bist, ob du in der Straße bist, ob du ein Geschäft hast, was auch immer deine Mission ist, once you're locked in on your mission, it is what it is and there ain't no stopping you. This is, you know, this is your decision. And he made that decision like, look, I'm going balls to the wall. And I think he wanted, I do think he wanted to get caught. He wanted to say, it's me.

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I did it. You know, I'm the guy that did it. But now he's probably going to prison for, you know, I mean, you got like Larry Levine goes on. I think he went on the news and said, oh, you know, you know, so a jury might not find this guy guilty. The jury is going to find this cat guilty, bro. Yeah. Excuse me. I believe that. I don't, I don't think the rest of his life.

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Ich meine, ich denke, dass. happens all the time. I mean, we were both in prison, probably with some, you know, I did 20 years. I've been around some really intelligent dudes and I've been around some really intelligent dudes that were absolutely nuts. I was with this one dude, he was a rabbi and doing legal work.

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And you talk to him, you're like, man, this dude way ahead of me, you know, mentally. And then he's like doing some weirdo shit. You're like, look, dude, I was with James Cobb, the guy that was taking out all the abortion doctors, right? Ein sehr intelligenter Kerl, aber er machte schon seltsame Sachen. Er hat Flaschen gefangen und ihre Rücken weggerissen und sie in einen Kaffee-Kopf gesteckt.

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Er hatte einen Kaffee-Kopf voller sterbenen Flaschen. Dieser Kerl war ein absoluter Schwachsinn. Die Leute würden ihn schicken und ihm Geld von überall auf der Welt schicken, Bro. Ich meine, er war ein Kerl, der hier war und er hat die, äh, er ging nach Frankreich und all das. Er hat den Erwachsenen-Doktor geplugget. Der Kerl war, du weißt, sehr intelligent, aber ein absoluter Nutschein, Mann.

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There's crazy people, I mean, all over the place. And let's, you know, we're talking about New York City, right? You got that Venezuelan gang, that train de Aguero. You know, they have a battle the other night with the 42nd Street Diablos. It's part of the Venezuelan gang, right? They see some black dudes that are, you know, immigrants or whatever. They're throwing up gang signs.

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They start fighting. And one of the dudes gets hit in the chest. Oh, they drag him into one of the drugstores and it's over. His life's over with. You know, long story short, dude dies. So now they're all over social media and they're like, yo, we're coming to get you guys. Yo, anytime we see any of you cats, it's on and popping. These dudes are lining up a life sentence.

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They're on social media doing this. And look, these cats have obviously shown, I mean, they're all over. They're in Colorado, they're in Texas, they're in New York, they're in Michigan. And they're doing vicious, vicious violence to people, right? And in lives. So really what they're doing is they're lining themselves up for life sentences.

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And then these Diablos, they got some of these kids are 13 years old, 14 years old. And they're brainwashing these kids. And these kids don't even realize, hey, look, this is what's about to happen to you. You're going to spend the rest of your life in prison. Who the hell wants to sign up for that? You can't be that intelligent, right? To sign up for something like that.

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You know how many gang members I've done compassionate release cases for that? Some of them were leaders. I've done some compassionate release for dudes that were prominent white gangs in prison. Der Junge war ein Leiter, ein prominenter Blut. Einer der Jungs, der, wie du weißt, der Originator eines der Sets in New York City war, hatte Leben. Keiner mehr ein Gangmitarier.

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Er hat alles für seine Gang gemacht. Keiner mehr ein Gangmitarier und begt den Gericht, wie, schau, Mann, bitte, lass mich aus der Gefängnis. Ich will das nicht passieren. Ich will nicht den Rest meines Lebens verbringen. Ich bin kein Gangmitarier mehr. Aber du hast dein ganzes Leben für diese Gang gegeben. Und jetzt bist du kein Gangmitarier mehr. Und jetzt willst du aus der Gefängnis gehen.

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Und du hast diese jungen Jungs, die in New York City, in den Bronx, in Queens, Everywhere. These dudes are giving up their lives, man, 17, 18 years old, for my gang. Like, I've been around some MS dudes, man, that I know now that were involved in, I was with them in FCI Rape, but they ended up in Lee County. And one of the dudes, man, I'm going to call it what it is.

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I used to talk to this dude all the time. I thought he was a really good dude. He ended up with, you know, around 100 years, we'll say, because I don't want people to tag this kid. He goes to another prison. He ends up involved in a case where, you know, another dude from the Mexican Mafia ends up dead. And now he's looking at, you know, pretty much another life sentence.

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And he doesn't really want it. And he personally told me, man, like, dude, I don't even want to live like this, but I'm stuck now. I don't even want to be a part of this shit. He told me that, and then he goes on to another prison. And because he has to fake it to make it, right, he ends up involved in someone losing their life in prison.

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You know, this is just a road where these kids, man, are making decisions where you don't even know nothing about life. You're living just to live. You have no idea what life really is about. Hier ist ein weiteres Beispiel, und ich weiß, dass jeder dieses Video gesehen hat. Der Junge geht vor den Judge in Las Vegas, richtig?

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Er geht vor den Judge und er sagt, guck, Judge, ich habe meine mentale Gesundheit zusammen, ich habe diesen neuen Job, ich bin wirklich, du weißt, ich habe mein Leben zusammen. Du musst mich nicht in den Gefängnis schicken auf diese Verbrechung, Herr. Ich habe wirklich mein Leben umgekehrt. Und der Richter schaut nach, Frau Richter, ich bin sicher, du hast es gesehen.

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Und sie schaut nach, sie sagt, du weißt, sie hört, sie hört. Und der Junge denkt wahrscheinlich, Mann, ich komme aus diesem Scheiß raus. Danke Gott, sie hört. Und sie sagt, na, weißt du was, deine Kriminalgeschichte, du weißt, es ist wirklich kaputt. Und, du weißt, ich werde dich in die Gefängnis senden. Das nächste, was du weißt, ist, dass der Junge durch die Luft fliegt, richtig?

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Also, die Leute wissen wahrscheinlich nicht, ich denke, es war gestern. You know, he does all that shit. He was going to jail for a minor amount of time. Now he gets sentenced to, I think, 26 to 65 years. So he went from a probation violation to becoming the flying Superman, jumping over the desk and trying to get on the judge, to getting 26 to 65 years. Think about the shit that you...

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Denke an die Entscheidungen, die du machst. Du machst einige wilde Entscheidungen in der Leben, die dir die besten Jahre deines Lebens kosten werden. Was passiert, wenn du 30 Jahre alt bist und sie geben dir 30 Jahre, richtig? Und du gehst raus, wenn du 60 Jahre alt bist. Du kommst nach Hause, deine Mutter ist weg, deine Schwester könnte weg sein. Du hast niemanden, du hast keine Familie.

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Wo wirst du leben? Wo wirst du arbeiten? Ich meine, ist es, ich meine, solltest du sogar rausgehen? Ja, natürlich willst du aus der Gefängnis. Aber Mann, das Leben ist um, du denkst, das Leben war schlecht jetzt. Wait until you get out of prison, man, when you're 60 years old. You went in at 20 for killing somebody, man. Think about that.

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Man, I'm doing it for the gang, gang, all these dudes around social media. You're posting the stuff that you're doing. You're telling the police what you're about to do and then you go do it. Yeah, they're going to come back and get you. I mean, little Burke, another example, right? His lawyers are arguing, look, they got no evidence on my client.

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No, I mean, they just got the plane tickets being purchased with

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know his company car they got him texting saying hey don't don't book no flights man that connect me to them at all you know like i mean they got you bro your lawyer's telling the media that you know they got they got nothing right but but they got a whole bunch of stuff and there's people out here believing oh man he's about to get up out of this 50 cents said he had the best lawyer you can have the best lawyer in the world same thing with puff daddy he keeps filing battle application after battle application you know why matt because his lawyers are telling him

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Pretty much, look, man, we got a shot at this one. They're just getting the money, bro. You don't got no shot at getting out. You never had a shot at getting out. Not with what happened in this case. You're a threat to public safety. You're not getting out. But the lawyers keep telling you, look, man, we got one more thing. Or they did this thing. We got to file this motion.

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Okay, I'm going to approve it. Boom. Sign off on it. Okay, that money's gone. I mean, he had probably put millions and millions of dollars in an escrow account for these lawyers. And they're just, yep, talk to Puff Daddy today for three minutes. That's 400 bucks. Another application that took 12 hours to write. Yeah, probably took 12 minutes. But they're charging them.

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I mean, it's just this is the crazy world that we live in, brother.

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Er ist ein Narzisst. Wir haben darüber gesprochen. Ich denke, dieser Junge, er wird beweisen, dass sie gewonnen haben. Er muss glauben. Er glaubt auf diese Narrative. Er wird es beweisen. Er wird zur Triale gehen. Er wird gewinnen. Und dann, wenn er verliert, wird er sagen, guck, Mann, sie haben es geriggt. Aber keine Sorge, ich habe meine Appeals.

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Und dann, du weißt, du wirst ihn hier und da hören. Und dann wird er seinen Appeal verurteilt. Dann wird er wahrscheinlich einfach weggehen. Er wird ein FMC Lexington sein, an einem Punkt. Yeah. No, I think that's probably right.

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Sie werden an FNC Lexington oder Butner in North Carolina sterben. Und wir werden sagen, oh, Puff Daddy ist 30 Jahre später als ein alter Mann im Gefängnis gestorben. Aber wie ich gesagt habe, er wird ein Schockhäuser im Gefängnis sein für die Lames. Er wird mit Jungs um ihn herum sein. Er wird in einem SO-Garten sein. Und er wird mit Jungs um ihn herum sein. Das ist mein Junge.

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Sie sind so, Mann, Scheiße, Puffy, ich spende den Limit jeden Monat. Puffy setzt 300 Dollar in meinen Account jeden Monat. Er schaut nach deinem Junge. Das ist mein Mann. Ja, 300 Dollar für ihn ist nichts. But it is what it is, man.

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Let me say this, right? Because when we did that other video about Puffy, I had said something on that video. I said, look, man, there's like, you know, allegations of minors. And people are like, there ain't nothing like that in the indictment. There ain't no allegations. Like, there were comments on your video about that, right? I think I got two or three emails about it. But now, you know what?

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Like I said before, you know... Be prepared, because it's coming. They're going to indict this cat, right? And eventually they did. But now, here you go. Here's the minor. But she's not the only minor. You know, they talk about 16-year-old girls. I mean, 17-year-old. And it's just, look, yeah, the downfall, but

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You know, if they get on some real hood shit, right, what I would do is, if it was me, I mean, look, if I'm going to prison for the rest of my life, I probably would have moved all my money because I'm not found guilty right now. And I wouldn't give nobody shit. We're not settling. Sell me. So what? What are you going to do? I'm in federal prison. I don't need anything.

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I'll send money to other people in prison and that's how I'll get my commissary. So, you know, you want to hit my commissary account if it gets $500 in it, whatever. That's petty money to him, right?

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revealed that it was jay-z and they specifically did they follow a new lawsuit against him what they did was they went in and they really followed a new one and they added him into it right and then you know you got to think like this you know there's thousands of pictures out there with jay-z he's at these parties with puff daddy you can't you know you can't be hanging out with this dude every day and going to these parties not know what's going on right

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Und dieser Lehrer, der wirklich nach diesen Leuten nachgeht, hat eine Anforderung an Jay-Z gesendet. Er hat gesagt, wir können das lösen und es muss nicht öffentlich werden, wenn man diese paar Dollar bezahlen möchte. Und er sagt, du weißt, ich bezahle dich nicht. Und das nächste, was du weißt, ist, dass sie diesen zivilen Vorgang verabschieden. Und sie gehen nach ihm.

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Jetzt gehen sie nach ihm durch den Korps. Wird er das beenden? Wenn er es beenden wird, guess what happens? There's going to be people knocking out. There's some of them are, you know, some of this probably, I'm not saying this specific case because I don't know the particulars. You know, we don't know what happened or if it ever really did happen, if it's some bullshit.

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But I'm sure, you know, this happens all the time, right? There's always people out for the money grab. People are always making up shit. I'm not saying this girl at 13 years old made this shit up. But I mean, it happens all the time.

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Yeah, she's living in Alabama, you know, old country girl. But what I'm saying is, is that when this stuff starts happening, you know, people do start filing lawsuits. Hey, let me try to get a couple of dollars, right? I was in prison with a dude that, you know, he was suing, like he'd order a pair of sneakers from Nike on the commissary and he would actually sue them from prison.

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They were defective. And he'd sue them and they'd settle out and he'd get a $1,500 check. Or all the people that were suing Hooters, right? Dudes were just going into Hooters and saying, hey, I want a job. And they're like, well, you don't have any Hooters. You're a dude. So you can't, you know, we're not hiring you.

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So, you know, they filed a discrimination lawsuit and they were banging Hooters, bro. I mean, people find ways to, you know, to scam the system, so to speak.

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Und du sagst, das ist mein Mann, wir sind zusammen. Ich meine, hat Jay-Z wissen, dass Puffy den Skinflute spielt, dass er ein Schwertkämpfer ist? Ich meine, du würdest denken, dass er das wahrscheinlich weiß. Und natürlich, du weißt, es sollte Spekulation sein, dass er so nah mit Puffy war, dass er auch ein Schwertkämpfer war. Ich sage nicht, dass er es war oder nicht, aber du weißt es nie.

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So this is what it says, right? So soon after Combs entered the room, so look, first of all, 13-year-old girl's at the VMAs, she's out looking for a limousine. Hey man, have you got any after parties? 13-year-old girl shouldn't be at the VMAs anyway, like where's your parents at, right? Like they're not really, you know, 13 years old.

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So she finds this limousine driver, allegedly, according to, you know, the lawsuit. And dude's like, look, I gotta take Puffy back to the after party, stay right here. Once I drop him off, I'll come back and get you. You're just the type of girl that he likes, he likes them young, whatever, right?

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So I guess he allegedly takes Puffy to the after party, comes back, the chick's there, he picks her up, he takes her there. They end up getting to the place. She says she gets a little drink and he tells her, hey man, you ready to party? Daddy's home. And they end up going into this room and this is what it says.

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Soon after Combs entered the room along with defendant Carter and a female celebrity, celebrity B, plaintiff immediately recognized all three celebrities. The lawyer probably should have left that out, even if it's true. Plaintiff got up and stumbled, at which point Combs grabbed her again and threw her on the bed.

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At that point, Carter began removing plaintiff's clothes, that's Jay-Z, as she grew more and more disoriented. Plaintiff was held down by Carter as he R'd her while Combs and Celebrity B watched. After Carter finished, he stepped back toward the wall. Combs then stepped forward and did the big R while Carter and Celebrity B watched.

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Combs then knocked plaintiff down and attempted to force plaintiff to perform Whoa, the skin flip, right? She fought back, standing up quickly and punching out at the same time, hitting Combs in the neck. Taken aback, Combs stopped his attempt. When Combs backed away in surprise, Platon grabbed her clothes and shoes and ran out of the bedroom, holding her dress in front of her like a towel.

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She ran toward the residence until she found the front door and was able to leave the party. Although there were other guests still at the party, no one appeared to take notice of plaintiff's distress or attempt to help her. Once outside, she put her clothes back on and left the scene in the dark.

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And then she, you know, goes to a corner store, calls her father, tells her father that she was out, that she lied to her parents and this is where she was at and this is what happened. And, you know, I mean, but they also in here, like I said before, I mean, they put like I mean, there's pictures in here. Right. There's not no pictures of her from the actual party.

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cattle ranching and so it was just everybody was belt buck big belt buckles and boots all the time and we had two brothers in our school that were half blacks and that was it that was that was just about it for a whole and they were probably adopted they're half black half navajo so okay that one every day they must have been hell of a fighters oh yeah well the one one kid was a cannonball i did not want to get in a fight with him at all

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He'd just roll you over, and you'd just get up all broken and bloody and go on your way.

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The more you listen to them, the more you realize why they brought me in. Yeah.

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And then for me, it was just something that I was looking to do on the side, just, just to get, you know, I've always wanted to create. And so I was like, eh, this would be something fun. I wasn't ever thinking it was going to be my full-time job. Right. Like I worked for a municipality. I was doing water treatment and wastewater treatment.

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So I was being cross-trained at the town facilities where I lived. And yeah, I just sent it in because it was something I was doing anyways. I was just writing things on the side, writing stories on the side. I sent it in, and next thing I know, I'm doing it full-time. I never thought this would be a full-time gig for me, but it's just what it kind of turned into.

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I don't know.

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Yeah. That's awesome, man.

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I have to go to fly anywhere.

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A billion. In all sorts of different lips, if you know what I'm saying.

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Yeah, I don't know the whole deal, but yeah, he was, like, delaying the pay to, like, a bunch of podcasters.

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I can't even say it. My wife actually did sell LuLaRoe.

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Yeah, I lost like seven grand on that.

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It's a MLM clothing company.

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I told my wife, don't do it. You're going to get taken. And she's like, nope, I'm going to do it. My friend doesn't. I'm going to do it. And about six months later, I was out seven grand. But it stopped at about seven grand. and you've got a bunch of Lulu products in your, in your, they got me for a pyramid scheme.

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Um, and they would go into target and they would approach and say, Hey, I have this mentor and he wants to teach you how to change your life. And he has this book and these classes and they're like, how old are you? Where do you want to be in 10 years? And it was like they were going to sell you this book and they were going to sell you this program.

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And it was always like 25-year-old couples just going through Target. Every Target you went to, somebody would come up to you. Hey, I have this mentor. He wants to change your life.

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So whereas they approached him to do a show, I approached them about doing a show. So I made a pilot episode. I sent it in and the owner thought it was good enough. So

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He wants to change your life.

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Not this month.

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They're going to change our life.

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good enough that was that the email good enough not great yeah so so i just i did everything so i do all my own research all my own recording all my own editing actually edit almost all of the other shows now yeah sorry about that man no you're good So I do all the editing and yeah, it's just all audio right now. I wouldn't even know what the hell I was doing with the video editing.

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They're not like... His shows are more serious and then they're more on the comedic spectrum.

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um topics have you gone over like cases so with almost fiction i just did one my newest episode this release is on about marvin gale gray he was a guy who got arrested and then while in prison got super into power lifting So, I mean, at one point he was like 30 pounds off the world record for squat and he did it all in jail, eating jail food. So, I mean, this dude was just a monster.

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You know what I'm talking about?

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I wasn't there on Thursdays. I had to work on Thursdays. I was never there.

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And then just one of those, but every time he got out of jail, he killed someone and went back to jail. And for some reason, even though he killed someone, he got out again. He murdered a lady, got 15 years, did his time, got back out and then murdered someone else. And so, like Kent, I like to do deep dives on the research. I'll read multiple books.

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Not yet. We got more camp with Sam yet. He's ex-Mormon. He's not Mormon anymore. It's a long time. We're doing the long time.

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Yeah, you go first. So 1159media.com or 1159plus.com will take you to both of our podcasts as well as our other podcasts that we have available.

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I know I don't talk a lot, but that's kind of my role. Usually I slip back into editor mode where I'm just taking mental notes. I'm going to take that out. I'm going to take that out.

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And it's amazing how many times you'll find out just how much conflicting evidence there is.

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And so you'll have one person say, oh, he did this and killed this person. And then I'll read something else that says, oh, that person just went to the hospital for three days. And you're just like, well, that's a big difference. Right. And so it's just...

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There's a lot of podcasts, I think, that kind of read Wikipedia, maybe read one or two articles online, and then they write an episode and kick it out.

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No, because some of the guys that I do podcasts on are already deceased.

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Like Marvin Gaye Gray, he died of heart failure in prison. And so I just did another episode. It was the last guy who died in the electric chair in Connecticut. Um, so it's just like some of the people that I do these podcasts on, they are already deceased. Some of them.

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Yeah. And so like, or like I did an episode that took place in Italy in like the thirties. So it's just like some things, it's just not really feasible to get an interview with anyone who's even still alive that knows anything about the case.

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So I've been doing it full time for eight months.

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My favorite one I've gone over was now I'm on the spot. I can't remember her last name. There was this lady named Michelle and she was just psychotic. She pretended to be like this perfect woman in every aspect of her life. And yet behind the scenes, she was like offering people a place to stay. Then she would imprison them, torture them and kill them. And her kids were there the whole time.

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And so it's just like, there's just certain things that you read that you're like, this can't be real. And so it's like, that's part of the reason why my podcast name is almost fiction. Cause it's like, there's some things you read that you're like, this can't have happened in real life, but it did. And so it's just, just the craziness that we're surrounded by every day that

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It just depends. Like I had one episode. So I had one episode that was a three parter and each was almost an hour long. So it's three total hours. And then I've had other episodes that it's 35 minutes. It just depends. I mean, because I had one where this guy, I mean, he only committed one crime. And that was it. But it was just insane. He kidnapped a kid.

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And then over the course of months, eight pieces of him and wrote it down in a cookbook. He made a cookbook on how to cook people. And he only but he only did one person. So it's like, tell me you wouldn't try.

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Yeah. Yeah. She was running down the street like naked. Yeah. Fine. And people were ignoring her. And then finally someone decided to stop and help her out. But I can't remember for the life of me what. Then I also had an uncle. They haven't caught him yet, though. Yeah, you have a vastly different. You can see that we kind of span the spectrum where I'm not as funny.

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So if you don't have a sense of humor, listen to my podcast. But if you do, listen to his podcast.

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It's like, what am I looking for?

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They're not going to do you. I need you to come get me. And he's texting back like, no, I'm in bed with my wife. And she comes back and she says, if you come get me, I'll give you a blowjob. And that's when his wife's like, let me see your phone.

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So he'd been trying to to try and just push it down. Like from everybody I heard, the rumor I heard was that he wasn't fucking her. He was trying to get her to leave him alone. Right. He'd actually transfer to another fucking, put in for like a transfer to another, because there's five prisons in Coleman. Right. So he's trying to get out of the pen and go to like the medium where she's not.

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Wife sees it. Wife basically says, you're going in tomorrow and filing a complaint on this woman, or I'm packing my bags and leaving you. And I'm taking your kids.

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Yeah. So, yeah, the next day he filed an official complaint. And everybody was like, bro, like they're trying to sweep it under the rug. He's like, I can't. My wife, she's gone. She's leaving if I don't file the complaint. And he's got all the texts.

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They took her from the pen and they transferred her to the low. And she was a nightmare. I don't know how she survived at the pen. I'm surprised they didn't stab her at the pen. She was such an asshole. And here's the funny thing, too. Everybody knew it. All the staff were talking about what was going on. It was a blatant thing. But it was the whole thing.

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It was the overwhelming gossip that two guards are banging this chicken who's running commissary. They call her Commissary Barbie. Yeah. And she looked – listen, and honestly, she was a prison nine. She was a free world six, maybe a five, but she looked good. I'll take it. Yeah, yeah. And, of course, the guys working with her know she's banging two of the guards and she's married.

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And they're like, oh, that marriage is done. It's only a matter of time. And sure enough, like within a year, she's divorced. One of these guys is divorced. I mean, guys are fighting each other in the parking lot.

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Yeah, it's fucking, yeah, it's horrible. Yeah, it is horrible. It's entertaining for the inmates, though. They're like.

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Oh, yeah. They say one thing, it spreads like wildfire. And by the fourth inmate, it's twice as bad as what you said.

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Because they're like old women.

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They know you just got some new jet skis.

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Yeah. I mean, I literally would have the inmates would be like, yeah, Thompson just bought two fucking jet skis. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, it's funny, too, because like last week he was talking about how fucking strapped he was and he was having to work 20 or 30 hours worth of overtime. And yet this motherfucker just went and bought the jet skis. Can you believe that?

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And I'm sitting there thinking, how the fuck?

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Yeah, that's... You know? It's funny how common that is.

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Like, guys will get out and hook up with the... Like, they've really been... We did the... Remember, we did the interview with the guy. There was an inmate that was flirting with the guard, which is already... He was like, was dangerous. Like, that could have gone bad. Yeah. He was concerned. Like, he was like, you know, we really shouldn't have had a friendly of a relationship.

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It's called establishing a relationship. You get sent to the shoe for that. Yeah. Well, what happens is... She was telling him, I'm leaving. Like she was actually leaving. She was going to go be a dental hygienist. Do you remember the guy I'm talking about? He put the, he has the company now that puts the TVs.

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Yeah. So he leaves. So she leaves like only a month or so before. And he actually asked her her full name. He goes, when I get out, maybe I'll look you up. He goes, what's your full name? He was right there. And he said, I could have gone straight to shoot. Like he was, it was, it was a ballsy move. Yeah, very ballsy. And she said, she was like, Look me up on Facebook. Here's my name. He gets out.

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He looks her up. They start dating. They got married. They've been together for like five years. They've got a successful company together.

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Yeah. Or she shows up and gets escorted off the. Oh, that's embarrassing. I've seen that. Yeah, I've seen it. I've seen it, too. It's funny. We had one time. Her name was Miss Brown. This was when I was at the medium. I'd only been there like a year. And there was a guy, I don't forget his name. It wasn't Jimmy, but it was something kind of silly, like Bobby or Billy or something silly, right?

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But I'll be honest, he looked like he stepped out of a GQ magazine. This guy didn't look like he should be locked up. I think he did have one tattoo. Anyway, whatever. And Miss Brown should not have been in the medium. I mean, she was a free world. Ten. No, she was a prison ten. She was a free world eight. She looked good, bro. And sure enough, if old...

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you know whatever bobby or jimmy or whatever his name was wasn't flirting with her and doing that and then one night he gets drunk he's in her office sitting on her desk and she's in there you know curling her hair and we're all like how long does this last like but i'm surprised that because the animates will tell so that's that's what happens right that's what happens i think i want to say a week maybe two listen one she would do like the tip after 10 o'clock sound you know they come around again

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And we got doors. You know, they count like every hour or two. She would come by after she counted, go up to his door, and they would sit there and talk through the door for hours. At one point, she got to a point where she would open the door, he'd go upstairs, and they'd talk within a week, escorted off the property.

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Right. Because you can steal out of the.

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yeah i was gonna say too what about the uh the familiarity i i knew i actually wrote a book about a guy who when he got to prison he was he got there and he's like within a couple days he was walking in the chow hall he looks up and he sees one of his friends from high school's older brother he's a co as an officer as an officer and he looked up and he saw him and he looked up and he was like hey he goes

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And turns his head and walk, keeps walking. So he said like later on that day, he was walking and he saw him and he got, he said, you say he has inmate come here. And he's like, Hey man, what's going on? He says, and they're like searching him. He goes, listen, man. He said, if you fucking tell anybody that you know me, they're going to ship you. Not me. A hundred percent.

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I'll look out for you, but that's all I can do. Don't fuck you. Don't tell any friends. Don't tell your roommate. Don't tell you. Don't know me.

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you don't know he told me gave him a little so he said don't get comfortable with somebody say oh i know this guy he said i'm telling you right now he said everybody here is talking everybody here's a snitch they'll all tell on you they'll all tell on everybody and you'll get shipped he's your net use your mom ain't gonna be able to see you if they ship you to where because his mother would come see him right right and that's you know they hold that over you right so they're going to ship you to you know kansas or something and she ain't going to be able to see you and you got five more years or six years

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So anyway, he was like, so he was leaving by the time I was writing his book. He, he like, yeah, yeah. You know, so-and-so he's, you know, he's fucking his brothers here. He told me, but, but that'd been five years later, five, six years later, he's about to leave. But I was going to say one more thing is that there was a, a black chick that was a CEO and she was a big one.

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She was a big, there's a lot of them, but there was a guy, she went to high school who was there. This is the low. He's in her office all the time flirting. And he's telling people, yeah, I went to high school with her. We're cool. And he's like, listen, it wasn't a week. He's on the pack out and gets shipped. And everybody was like, bro, don't tell anybody that. What are you doing?

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Or they, yeah, or they, you know, imagine. Now his cousin or brother or friend can go to her house. Right. And say, hey, can you bring a cell phone? Just Jimmy, I'll give you a grand.

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you know and that's how it starts right like it's a friend of us you know or that's a way yeah that's a way into you think about it you bring in you bring in two cell phones a month and they're not searching you they bring in two cell phones a month that's an extra 24 000 a year on top of your 35 000 like you're now making a that's a that's you're close to 60 grand a year more than what you're making yeah that's right that's just a couple two cell phones it's tempting it is tempting

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I wonder why is that, though?

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Yeah. Yeah. They have the same basic types of interests. They have the same. That's how they talk. They talk the same. Listen, a lot of these guys were like, you know, some of the CEOs were in gangs growing up. Some of them were. Yeah.

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and and there's nothing wrong with that if you change your way right yeah yeah i'm not saying but i'm saying that's something that i mean you're saying that but let's face it whoever's running the bop or the state those prison like they wouldn't want you to have been in a gang you know what i mean they would be like oh i don't think we want a guy that was a former gang member to be in a car if they had a choice but since it's so like yeah little people that actually want to do it yeah you know i'm i'm no better i was i was on the line you know i don't even know how i got that job either you know but

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Well, so were you running the, why can't I remember the name of this? I just want to say the gang unit. STG. STG. Were you running STG at this point or were you just underneath the other guy?

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Okay. I assume that, yeah.

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That's it. How many inmates are in this prison?

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That's a good size. And Colvin was 18. The low was 1,800. The medium was 1,400 or 1,500. So it was basically the size of the medium. That's a lot of fucking people.

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I was going to say a medium that they're behind the door. You can feed them through the doors. You can, you know,

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So you might have one guy behind the door that robs some banks, but isn't really that dangerous next to another guy who's there for killing five people and is never going to get out. This guy's got 10 years. He's getting out. He robbed three banks. Right. This, you know, this guy robbed three banks with a note. He's still going.

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And then this guy who's killed five people is never getting out of prison. Those guys would be right, could be right in the same. Correct.

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A guy with three murders isn't going to ever get there.

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Right. Yeah, it's funny because in Florida, you guys, they go to like a reception center where everybody's mixed in together until they classify you. But in the Bureau of Prisons, like, You're classified from the get-go. Get-go. Yeah. You're not going to a pin unless you got pinpoints.

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I went through there.

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Yeah, I did too. They got it down there, don't they? You're almost as upsetting and depressing as the situation is. It's oddly impressive. You swarm off that plane and those guys... It's an assembly line. I've never had the cuffs taken off me so fast and everything. That guy, you walk up on a little stairs and stand, you turn. And I mean, it's right. And you're like, what the hell?

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And then you go down there, grab a bag, you grab a bag, your bag lunch, and you go in that room with all the diamond plate stuff. It's like, if it's like 300 people, but you just kind of, you're in there, you're not that tight, but you're in there. It's there's a lot in there. You're not sitting out. Everybody couldn't sit down. That's for sure.

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What's funny about that is, uh, I actually have a story. I think Colby's heard this. I'm just going to do that story. And then I'll stop. I'll stop interrupting. You just, you just, but you'll appreciate this. I've just, bro. I just, I've been arrested for like, Like a month or so, maybe six weeks. Right. And so I'm standing there, and I walk.

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So I walk in there, and I go get in that room, and we're standing there. And there's a toilet, like, in the corner, but there was so many people, this old guy couldn't see it. It was an old man. He was probably 65. No, he had at least to be in his 70s, mid-70s, because he was old.

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And there was a black guy that was there that had to be 6'2", jacked up on steroids, and had gold teeth that had fangs. Stop. I shit you not. He looked like a comic book character. He looked like the comic book character Blade. Okay. But from the comic book. Right. Bigger than, what's his name? Who plays Blade? Wesley Snipes. Wesley Snipes is not that tall. He's not that big.

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He's not like a six foot two guy. This guy was a giant. And I'm sitting there and we're not far away, right? I'm sitting there and I, you know, he and I, everybody's kind of sizing each other up, right?

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We're standing there and the old man, he's standing there and he said, I gotta go to the bathroom.

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And he looks over at the door, and he walks over to the door and grabs the door. And he goes, hey, they got us locked in here. And me and the black guy, he looks down, we look at each other, and I go, yeah, there's probably going to be a lot of locked doors from now on. And the black guy kind of starts chuckling, right? And the black guy looks at the old man, he goes,

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what are you in here for pops? And he goes, and he looked at, he said, I don't know. I was just taking, you know, my, my, my, my granddaughter, she's one of those, um, Those lesbians. She's a lesbian. And he goes, oh, yeah? He goes, yeah. And she and one of her girlfriends, they wanted me to take some pictures of them. And I was taking some pictures of them. And they put them on the internet.

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And they were selling those pictures. They were selling them. I wasn't even selling them. I just took the pictures. And we're like glancing at each other. Because, you know, in that environment, there's no real politics at that point yet, right? Because everybody's stunned. You know, they're not like, I'm going to fuck you up because guys are waiting to go to trial.

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Guys are still fighting their case. Like, I'm not trying to... They're trying to take it easy. Right. Right. And the way he was saying it, you could tell it's almost like... He's old. I'm not... I mean, I think you know what you were doing was wrong. But you're acting like, oh, I'm just an old man. I don't really know. And we're like... And I'm like, we're like, right.

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And I was like sitting there and I... And so I'm processing it, right? Because I don't really understand what... I'm not on that. I haven't been locked up enough to start realizing what a show is and what makes it illegal and what, you know. Right. And I'm not thinking along those lines because it's never something that's never entered my world. Right. Like when you're.

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Yeah. And you're 17, 18 years old. You've never heard of underage this or under. It wasn't as prevalent then. It might have been out there, but I don't know about it. I don't think about those things. So I'm listening to him and me and the black guy are kind of glancing at each other. And I went. how old's your granddaughter?

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Because I'm thinking to myself, you're taking pictures of two lesbians and putting them on the internet and selling them. There's nothing illegal about that. Why would you be here? And then it dawns on me, how old is your granddaughter? And he goes, oh, she's 14, 15 years old. And listen, the dude just kind of looked and looked. He's like, took a step back.

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And he said, I keep that to myself, pops. You might not want to be telling a lot of people that.

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I was like, yeah, I don't. That's probably not going to go over well like that. And anyway, he ended up we ended up saying there's a toilet over there in the corner. He goes over. There's all these people here. Well, you're going to have to get used to it.

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I had bigger problems than the, Oh, at that moment. Yeah. I'm still,

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yeah i'm still in shock from being i'm still in shock that i'm standing next to a guy who's six foot two with has gold fangs and looks like a scarier version of blade i mean he looked like a cartoon character it's just like that is but as you know in prison looks are deceiving like i seen people come in with no tattoos they look like a little geeky nerd next thing you know they have tattoos all over their face their their head

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You know, it always seems like the guys that are super quiet that, you know, that's the guy who's killed three people. He's quiet. He just keeps to himself. He reads. He's he's he doesn't talk to. He doesn't have a bunch of friends. Yeah. And you're like, that's the guy who you're like, that guy's got a life sentence and he's killed three fucking people.

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And he's been to trial four times and beat state cases. And now, you know, it's like you look at his rap. You're like, this guy is a menace. And then the other guy who might be completely tatted up and just.

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Yeah, it's funny. I was going to say it's always like the guy who's a professional boxer or an MMA fighter or who can just destroy everybody in the dorm who's just the nicest, politest.

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He just doesn't want any trouble because it's, you know, even though he knows it's not going to end badly for him, it's like no matter what, it's not going to end badly, no matter what. Getting into the situation means going to the shoe, getting shipped. I'm happy here.

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Right. Away from the compound. So you're basically kind of running this unit.

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Department, sorry.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, it's not really an insult here.

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You understand, like, at the, in federal, whatever, at Coleman, I don't know where it is, everywhere. I know at Coleman, they would put guys on the payroll. So there would be a snitch and they would put them like on the payroll. They could actually put money on their books. Right.

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They could pay them as almost like a job, like a facility job where you're getting $95 a month or you're getting $210 a month to do whatever. Sorry.

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Because I would go in to – I would get called in SIS because I was ordering – paperwork on inmates right like freedom of information i was writing stories on different inmates right so i'm writing their your true crime story let's say and i'd order your freedom of information and so every once in a while half the time it just got in The other half of the time, SIS would get a hold of it first.

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They'd go through mailroom. They'd call me and they'd go, Cox, what's going on? You have this guy, John Boziaks. You know, you've got his, this is police reports from fucking, you know, Miami-Dade. Like, what's going on? And I'd be like, I'm writing a book about him. And they'd go, okay, well, what's the story? And I'd tell them, look, he was brought up. I'd tell them a quick version of the story.

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And they'd go, does he know you're getting this? And I'd go, yeah, he knows. And sometimes they would have to ask the guy.

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But after one or once or twice, it was like, okay, does he know you're getting this? Yeah. Okay. Here. And they give it to him, which, you know, is not supposed to happen. No, but there were multiple times. Well, not probably just twice. So where they actually said to me, like, listen, You know, like, we could... You know, I was looking at your books. I was looking at how much money you get in.

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Like, if you hear anything, like, you can... I can... Like, do you know of any cell phones? Do you know what I mean? And I was like, bro, come on. Like, I'm... I cooperated in my case.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I went back to court to get my sentence reduced. Nobody's fucking telling me where there's a fucking cell phone.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like, I don't... I couldn't help you if I wanted to. I don't know. But... By him saying, you know, we can put money on your books. And it was like, I was thinking to myself, I wonder how many guys are getting money on their books.

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off uh your sentence or you get your good time back your your gains i can't help you you're doing it for free they specifically told me we can get you a rule 35 like if you get help us get a case wow we we can uh we can actually put into the um Was it the DOJ? He goes, we can actually file for Rule 35 from the DOJ. And I was like, I hear you. And listen, you saw my jacket. I'm ready to go.

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But nobody's fucking selling me. Nobody's selling me a cell phone. Nobody's telling me where there is. Like, I promise you, none of these guys are going to tell me that. And they were like, he was like, all right, well, keep your eyes open. I was like, yeah, all right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I wish I could help you, but it was just too well known that, yeah, Cox is, yeah. Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But I'm sure that there were guys that were, matter of fact, there was a guy who had come to Coleman from another facility and

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because he had been bringing in cigarettes not even like drugs he'd been bringing in cigarettes through a guard and got the guards in trouble in trouble and they came in in the middle of the night not banged on his door like after 10 o'clock count bang on his door and took him and moved him to another facility they moved him to the medium and he was at that moment

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He was the biggest supplier of cigarettes. He'd already gotten another couple of guards bringing in cigarettes already. Like he was whittling down. He was going from facility to facility, whittling down his time.

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Just for cigarettes. Because it's illegal to have. It's contraband.

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So what types of behaviors, like what are these guys doing that are making them such a problem? What would an example be?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. I was going to say it's, it's, it's what you definitely realize. It really, honestly, you realize this in high school. Like some, it's really, it's more about being willing to fight than it is actually winning the fight. Of course you want to win the fight. Nobody wants to get their ass beat, but it's so much worse.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Okay. Where did you end up? Like how long before you actually went in? Did they, was there any training at all? Like, or is it on the job training?

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It's crazy. Smoothly. Nobody's getting stabbed or killed that, that the grounds are kept up. Right. The prison appears to be in good shape.

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If you just don't fight, you'd rather, you'd rather fight and lose than to not fight at all. Then it's much, much worse than people. Then everybody disrespects you. I mean,

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Well, it's like, it's like, uh, I was gonna say they'd let them like, you're not allowed to gamble. You're not allowed to have tattoos, tattoo guns or tattoos. You're not allowed to, but they allow them to do it. Cause it's a way to keep them entertained. Like if you said, Hey, guess what? You know, everybody, you're going to go to your cell and you're going to read, uh,

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And there's no TV, no gambling, no tattoos. No. Listen, they'll destroy that prison. They'll attack the guards. They'll destroy the prison and it won't go away. So you have to give them TVs. Why? To entertain, to entertain them. Exactly. Let them burn off some steam gambling. Let them burn off some steam playing handball. Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, that's what happens with the TVs. They use the TVs as babysitters, right? They'll take them away for two days, and the other inmates will tell the other inmates, like guys will be causing a problem, they'll be like, shut your fucking mouth. Don't talk during count. He's not going to let us watch the fucking game tonight. That's why. They'll police themselves for access to TV or whatever.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, no. I've seen the on fire thing. Like I've seen these guys runner or, and they'll strip their clothes off and they're running around naked.

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somewhere on the grounds for the outside grounds to come in you know how outside grounds is a big portion of how the drugs come in right some guy who's mowing the guys that are mowing the yards are doing edging outside and they'll know that over by this group of trees they'll look for like a maybe it looks like a rock it's like a black like a whatever it'll be like a and a balloon like a black balloon or something right so they can grab it and stick it in their pants and then

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They'll go, when they come back in, they get searched really haphazardly because they know their boss isn't going to really give a shit. And he gets to bring it inside.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, I was just, I was thinking about this, the guys bringing in stuff, the different ways. And I was also thinking, I knew a guard had told me this one time, was that he'd gotten a bonus for finding like a cell phone or he found something where they actually were giving the guards like bonuses for finding things. This was BOP, for finding cell phones or for finding things.

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And that was one of the things they were like, listen, if you know, you know of any cell phones, because, you know, they were giving them bonuses.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So that's why. So suddenly guards this. I don't know how long. I don't know if they did it, if it was a normal thing or they did it for a certain period of time because they literally there was a good three to six months. I remember we were in search like just all the time. And somebody, being one of the guards, had said that, yeah, they were now given bonuses to find cell phones or something.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Wow, I would have been rich. I know. I would have brought in people. I would think if you were a guard, you'd just start bringing in cell phones. You could do that, too. If you just got a cell phone, it wasn't my fault it didn't work. I want my fucking $200 or $600.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Two hours later, you're in this other guy's locker.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What's your argument? No, no, it was in my legal mail, not my laundry bag.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So what happened when you, did you end up going, you go to the Academy or do you go to the Academy?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. But if it's a common area, you can't know whose it is. Right. And the other thing is, so you'll, a lot of guys will have, you know, like there's one guy and they're like 10 guys or five guys paying that guy to, he keeps the phone, keeps the phone for you, keeps it charged up, make sure it's available for you all the time. And if he gets hit,

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If his place gets searched and they find the cell phone, he says, that's my cell phone. He's going to the shoe. He has to go to the shoe. He doesn't say, ah, man, that's Jimmy's fucking phone. No, no, that's your phone. You're going to the shoe. But he might be getting $100 or $200 from eight different guys. He's making $800 or $1,000 a month. He's living really well.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I was going to say in federal prison, it's not really, nobody's really getting, if they are getting extorted, it's like friendly extortion at best. Well, at a low, I guess. Yeah, at a low. Right, yeah. Where they're just paying them. If you're at a low, you probably have a family out there that can send you $400 or $500 a month or something. You know what I'm saying? You'd pay somebody to hold it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. So they'll sell their minutes on their phone. They'll sell, you know. There's ways to make money. But so anyway, you were, so what's going on? What happens? What happens next?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, cell extraction, that sort of thing, right?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. So what was the issue that got the FBI involved?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So I'll tell you how this can go bad. I don't really know how it went bad at this point, but... And in Coleman, there was a lieutenant, big guy. He's like six foot six. He was married to whatever. I don't know if it was a lieutenant or a cap. I don't know what she was, but she was in the shoe at the pen, female. And, you know, the... you know, they work the shoe, right?

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Like it's a long hallway with a bunch of cells. You can feed people through the cells. Through the flap. Yeah, through the flap. And so really these guys almost, and in Coleman, they have a shower and a sink toilet combo, right? So you really never have to leave that cell.

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Now they're supposed to leave like once, I don't know if it's once a day to get 30 minutes or maybe it's once a week to get 30 minutes or an hour of rec.

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whatever well there was an inmate that was constantly giving this woman a hard time i mean talking you know just calling her names or saying really just being super disrespectful and she really got irritated i want to say he might have tried to grab her once through the cell something happened he was being a dick and there was another inmate super nice guy big guy huge guy and um so

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One day she's walking down, and I may have this slightly off. You've heard this before, I think. So she's walking down, and the big guy who's been super cool to her, very respectful, he's being moved or something. And he says, either she tells him, Or he tells her, let me take care of that guy for her. Put me in the cell.

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I want to say maybe she might have said, regardless, I don't know which of which. I know that we had always heard one thing. She said something else.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Which was, you know, that the inmate had always said that she went to him and said, I'm going to put you in that cell. Break his fucking arm. You know, I want you to break this guy's arm.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But she moves him into the cell. The guy gets in there. His intent is, I'm going to break the guy's arm. But the guy struggles. He doesn't want his arm broken. So the big guy gets him into a fucking choke hold and ends up choking him to death and breaks his neck. And all of this, the conversations, the back and forth, everything is on video.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So you've got an inmate who this guy's giving her a hard time every time she goes by. One day he's giving her a hard time. She literally goes across the hall, says something to the fucking guy. He cuffs up, takes him, puts him in this fucking cell. You know, cuffs up, everything. Very obvious what happened. What's happening. Something's wrong. And so the FBI, there's a murder. It was a murder.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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The FBI is coming.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, yeah. FBI comes in, questions the big guy. What happened? Keep in mind, there are other inmates who have heard the conversation. All these inmates are more than willing to say, yes, this female CEO was being given a hard time. She stuck that guy in. I'll say it. I heard the whole fucking thing. I'd like to get out of prison. So when the FBI charges her, they indict her.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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She dies the whole way through. That's not what happened. Blah, blah, blah. OK, well, that's not what everybody else says. And it sure as fuck looks like that's what happened on the video. They come to her and they say, they give her what I think is a sweetheart deal, 10 years. Giving you 10 years. You go to prison for 10 years, that's a gift. You know, let's face it. For murder.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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We didn't lose a veteran. You didn't lose a patriot here. You at least lost an inmate that's got a life fucking sentence and is a piece of shit. That is a sweet deal. That is. Right. She doesn't take it. She goes to trial. She gets, I don't know, it's either 45 years or life. I think she got a life sentence. I'm not sure. It's a life sentence.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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her to keep in mind her um the lieutenant she was married to saw him every day big big huge nice guy you know right let me stern but a big guy um yeah his fucking wife is locked up three states over for the rest of her fucking life so i'm saying that's the the fear is that those types of hey i'm gonna let you do this and you're thinking they're gonna beat his ass or they're gonna the fear is obviously that's what i'm saying

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Why is it so serious that these two guys get into a fight? They're in two different gangs. This gang is being whatever. This guy disrespected this guy. This guy borrowed money and owes this money. I'm going to let him fight it out. The fear is he stabs him to death. You put this guy in a situation where he ends up getting murdered or gets stabbed.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And I know when you say getting stabbed, because I've been in prison, right? One of my stories is the first day I was in prison was that –

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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the the the fucking you know they do a lockdown they start screaming the pa is going off they're locked down locked down and my cell he comes to me he's like i just gotten there but i've been there a couple hours he's like yo yo bro we got to go in the in the cell i'm like what's going on he goes someone got stabbed in the in the rec yard i was like someone just got killed in the red yard rec yard he goes no no bro they just stabbed him up a little bit i remember he did this right yeah what you realize first time i'd ever seen that

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know, now if somebody saw, I saw that somebody do that, I'd be like, oh, they're going to, somebody's going to get stabbed. Right. And he goes, I just stabbed them up a little bit. And I was like, come in a place where they say stab them up a little bit. Like that's, but I realized that, they're stabbing you with a knife that's something like this big. They don't want you to die.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I want to stab you a few times. I want you to get taken off the compound. Right. That's what I'm hoping. That's exactly it. If they said, hey, do you want to murder this guy? You want this guy to die? Fuck no, I don't want him to die. I just want to stab him a few times so that it looks really bad. He's bleeding. He looks like he's been stabbed. He goes to the fucking hospital.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He gets medevaced out, goes to the hospital. He never comes back here. That's my goal. Exactly. Not to kill him.

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You can't get them because the problem is Florida doesn't have that many prisons in the federal system. You could, you could actually say that he threatened you or something like that in the federal system and they'll, they'll take them. They, they probably can ship them. Right. But it's, it's Florida. How many prisons are there? How many places can he go?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. They don't become the guy who's shipping people all over the fucking place.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So what ends up happening? How does this go bad?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. You know, cause it's a better story. Had you had the belt. Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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This is on the job training.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And you don't know that he went to the... You don't know that he went to the... The OIG.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. You don't know that he went to OIG? No.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, I thought the other officer.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'm like... You didn't think he was coming about the application you'd put in?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, I know. Right. I did apply for the FBI. Do you guys usually come out?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, yeah, so it gets better and better. The story gets better and better every time somebody tells it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So after you're a lawyer and you sat down, you heard all the information.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. You know? So then they come back in, they continue. So eventually you leave. You get indicted or your lawyer just goes back and says, look, what are you going to indict him for? And then they say, we're going to hit him for these six things. And he says, look, let's get it down to one count of... Like, did you waive the indictment or did you get indicted?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Living federal is much better than the state.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. I mean, it sucks, you know, but it does suck.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So, I mean, did you end up on that? Yeah, right away.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, you know, one of my co-defendants actually went and got a lawyer. She was never going to be indicted, nothing ever. And she went and got a lawyer because it had been so long that she was waiting to be indicted because there kept being newspaper articles talking about indicting all these people. She knew she was one of the main people. Went and got a lawyer.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Went down to the FBI office that I want to talk. I want to plead guilty. I want to tell you everything that happened. She ended up going to prison for 30... She got 30 months. She only went for like 18 or 20, you know, because they put her in a halfway house. But they were like... They would have never indicted... Everybody else who... Everybody else who said, I didn't do anything. Matt did.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They all told on me. But then they said, I wasn't aware of this. None of those people got indicted. She went down. On her own. She was like, look, the guilt was killing me. She was, even if you told me right now, you know, if I knew then what I know now, she's like, I mean, the guilt was just, I was, she's every day. I was waiting. I was waiting to be arrested, waiting to be arrested.

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She said, finally, she said, I just, I just had to get it over. I had to.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That's hilarious, though. You'll love this. You've never met anybody so ill-equipped to go to prison. This is an upper-class white chick. when she was sentenced, you know, they had to let her, she got to turn herself in. Right.

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She actually was, she had like, like they were going to, they told her, well, as you show up and it was like three months later, she called down to the camp to arrange, um, to arrange a tour of the camp. And the guard was like, I'm sorry, what? And she's like, yeah, I'm going to, I just got 30 months.

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I'm going to be down there about three months, but I'd like to go and kind of, you know, where I'm going. Like, I'd like to, Like to know the layout and what it is to expect. So I was wondering, is there like a tour that I could take? And the woman went, no, sweetie, there's no tour. That is hilarious.

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And when she showed up three months later, the woman, like she showed up and she said something happened. And then this woman comes out and comes over and says, hi, Allison. She was like, I'm the person you called about the tour. She's like, how do you remember me? We've never had someone call here and ask for a tour.

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in 20 something years of being there never has somebody called and said i'd like to come take the tour there's no fucking tour that i wouldn't even know how to answer that if i was on the other end of the phone she's like is it airbnb like anyway yeah so but that chick ended up going to uh uh i mean she did i guess eventually you're right she did get the tour she got the tour right right got the extended stay

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But yeah, you made the right move not letting him indict you because... It would have been worse. Yeah, it would have been worse. Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They're going to line up 12 guys.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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not even worth unpacking i know i know you're still you're still uh still shitting burger king by the time you you you know by the time you get out still dream still dreaming of the outside yeah you're still dreaming about the outside you know it was you know in a way i was kind of upset because i didn't i still didn't learn my lesson at that particular time Why? What do you mean?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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How much time did you do? When you went in, how much time did you end up doing?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, you said you got 24 months.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, that sucks. Right. Oh, so you did like 19 months or something. You got like 18 months, 19 months. So almost like that. Oh, wait. No, no. Hold up. Yeah, you're right. 24 months. You only got off like maybe three or four months. That's it. But yeah, it's about 19, 20 months. Right. Okay. So what do you mean you didn't learn your lesson?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What, you were just defiant or you just felt like you shouldn't have been?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It's everybody else's fault.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. $34,000 maybe? I was going to say, I know that I think federal, the first year, like the feds, they're like $35,000 or $38,000. It's very little money.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. I was going to say, by the time I figured that in prison, I was in prison. I still had like seven or eight years to go. It's like, no, no, I'm all better now. We can, but I still have seven years of prison. I'm like, maybe not act like an asshole the rest of my fucking life.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. Jason Brewer. Yeah. That was a podcast. Yeah. Yeah. It was horrible. It was a horrible podcast, bro. He had me fucking just all in tears. But yeah. But it showed a different side of you.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, it's easier to be, to act like a prick all the time.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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you know what i'm saying because you're masking something yeah you're coming off as a tough guy yeah you know yeah yeah well i don't know i'm a tough guy but yeah yeah like yeah yeah i know what you're saying you're trying to mask something you know so uh yeah he's yeah that was agonizing i i would much rather laugh and joke around and have you know i'm saying and me too lightest stuff me too but sometimes you need that to be put your life into perspective

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, no, you definitely need it to put your life in, to be humble and appreciative of everything you have. Because, you know, it's funny, too, because when you have everything, you're less appreciative than when you have nothing. Isn't that funny?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, yeah. It's law enforcement. It's an entry bar into law enforcement.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, I mean, so what are you doing now, though?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. Like I said, I... Well, what are you doing for a living?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, I was going to say, Kevin with the Suffering podcast, it was him and another guy. They'd both been in a police shooting separately.

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And they both took early retirement because, you know, it affected them, right?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And so they started this podcast to basically say, hey, there's officers out there that are suffering. You know, this was a suffering podcast. And listen, they came here. laughed and joked, just had the best time. You can watch the whole thing, right? Like, it's Kevin, and Kevin's the more boisterous of the two. And then the other guy, he's got a shaved head, right? His mic is almost positive.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Mike, if I got it wrong.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, no, not Mike Dowd. But the other guy that was with him, he also had been in a shooting, and A little more quiet, but still joking. They just had a whole little comedy routine going, talking about the Suffering Podcast. It's great. It was good. And talking about how many officers... Think about committing suicide. Now he was suicidal and he was suicidal.

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And then, oh, they're all better now and everything's good. And now they're doing this podcast and it's just life affirming and everything's wonderful. And, you know, I'm seeing this stuff and everything. And then one day I see something that it goes up and it's, it just basically, it's like, you know, rest in peace, you know, and something.

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And his buddy killed himself. He said the day before, talking, laughing, having a good old time. Went home, stuck a fucking gun in his mouth and blew his fucking brains out.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That's unfortunate. Listen, joked and laughed the whole time. One of my favorite clips is where they were on a podcast and they were talking. And he said he gets asked – Kevin said he gets asked all the time, like, you know, you've been around all these guys, these murderers and serial killers and –

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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real criminals and and um he said uh they said what's the the most the scariest guy you've ever been around and he said yeah he said matt cox and he goes what and he said he said listen this is the kind of guy that shake your hands be great with you just a great guy and just

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on a whim take every single thing you've got from you and walk away and not think twice he said i mean it's it's terrifying he's i remember when i left his podcast he said i remember i checked my wallet and i said that guy is absolutely terrifying and i mean and then the other guy mike jumps in he's absolutely he's because he could use the problem is is that he can do it

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But it is a state job that you can retire from in 20 years. You know what I'm saying? So it is not like there's not a pension that comes with it.

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And I mean, I'm like, I'm showing people and they're just, I'm like, listen to this. And they're just like, oh, bro, that's horrible.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know? Yeah, I was going to say, to me, I didn't even think to ask that because... It's an awesome question. Because to me, it's like... I can, I understand, I can understand that because at first, you know, I could say, oh, I was committing fraud because of the money. Okay.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So your first thing is if I could just get like a hundred grand, then it's half a million, then it's a million, then it's two, then it's three. Then you don't, then the, you just forget about that. And what you've just decided is that I enjoy doing what I'm doing and everybody loves me.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And it's a great feeling of power when you walk in the room and there's seven or eight guys go, but Matt, can I ask you a question about this real quick? You're the guy with the answers. You're the guy that can make things happen. You're the guy that's pulling all the strings.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You're emboldened. You've heard those guys like the guy that says, you know, the guy the other day that we were talking to, or we did the interview and he said, every time I would, you know, he's like, I started feeling just emboldened by the experience. So it's not...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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The money, you know, and I hate to say it's the power, that feeling of power, or maybe it's just that feeling of being important and loved by everybody. And, you know, you're important. I'm the guy that can make everything happen. So it's not about the money, especially once you get the money. They're just like, well, why are you doing it now? You've got the money. Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Because I just love that feeling of power. being the guy that's calling all the shots.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. Were there a lot?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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go into law enforcement for 20 years, retire, and then they were working on their third, now they're in their 50s, but then they go in and they're working for the BOP. And you're like, well, you're working on your third fucking... Your third pension right now. Which is genius. Yeah. If you, if you can stay that course. Right. If you can. There's a few and far in between that can't.

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Well, you know what I was going to say is that I think people that haven't been to prison, and I always love the guys who went to county jail for six months and think they've been to prison. I was going to say this. You went to fucking county jail. You didn't go to prison. It's completely different. But it's...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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you just the the rules that are set up just they they can't keep things calm you know what i'm saying like you can't you can't expect that the rules of the prison will keep things on an even keel you know and you see the the staff massaging the situation constantly right you know and and sometimes they'll they'll be super strict but then things get so erratic they

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It's like the tighter, you know, you've heard that the tighter you squeeze, the more things slip through your finger.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And so it's, it's better to, sometimes you have to massage things. And, but then some people, like I said, then that one chick is like, this guy's such a problem. I'm going to have this guy beat his ass and then he'll learn his lesson and he'll shut up. That went wrong. That was too much. You know what I'm saying? So it's that even. It's trying to find the balance. Right. Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So, you know, your balance went bad. You know what I'm saying?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, look, listen, my wife has a whole thing when, I don't know if you know this. I'm sure you've heard this. I think everybody probably heard this. Uh, do you ever hear about the, there was like 13 women or eight women. I forget how many women they sued, uh, the federal government because they were in the camp, the female camp Coleman, and they were being by the guards. Right. Right.

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Now what's funny is that my wife was there. She knows every one of those girls. Right. And she's like, those girls would actually get into fistfights about who was going to date this guy. They consider them like, I'm dating this guy. This guy is bringing in stuffed food for me. Now, no matter what, you can't have sex with an inmate, a female inmate or an inmate in general. You can't have sex.

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They can't consent.

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But of course, these girls are making it sound like he cornered me. And of course, my wife's like, I can tell you right now, she would go in the room. They would close the door. I would be in the other room. They would be like, hey, hey, we're going to be in here. That's the kind of thing that's happening. The girls are walking around talking about who's fucking so-and-so.

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This is not the situation that was happening. There are so many things that happen in prison that are being massaged. Just like the thing where we had the guy that came on and that... There's riots. They let them out. There's a riot. They lock everybody down for three months. They let them out for two weeks. Boom, there's a riot. They lock them up for three months. They let them out.

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Boom, there's a riot. At some point, which is unconventional, and every booklet out there would tell you, do not do this. At some point, the warden goes out and says, this shot caller, that shot caller, who's respected in these groups? And he pulls them all out and has discussions and starts going between from cell to cell to negotiate a peace so he can take the facility off of lockdown.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I can't lock these guys up forever. Which is unorthodox. Right, right. But eventually he does, and guess what? These guys are out for 18 months. Maybe there's a stabbing here and there. Of course. But it's funny. Some facilities run... Those are the facilities that tend to run smoother because you've got somebody there keeping the balance. The problem is it's probably...

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Right. And all the guards come supposed to come immediately to run to help you. Right. Do you ever know policy or you just hang out and you're just on the job training until you're eventually on your own? Right.

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The fear is, is that eventually you get us out of hand and you get friendly with the guys and then boom, you have a problem. But you had 18 months where nobody got stabbed.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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There was a guy, White Viking. Remember the White Viking? He had the shaved head.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I never heard of Holden the Viking or something like that. He had a thing where he had – he was about that life. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, that whole – for years. But then he still got years to go, and he got to a point where he was like, I'm done. I don't want to be about – the problem is every facility I went to now,

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He's like, oh, shit. He's like, my rep started following me, and then guys are coming to me saying, you've got to take care of this. You've got to this. He's like, I'm at the point where I'm like, I don't want to take care of it. He gets into a fight one. He's like, and then one time these guys come to him, and they come in the cell, and he said, so we're fighting.

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He's like, I'm trying to get out of the fight, but we fight. He goes, we're fighting. He said, listen, he said- Fighting for a minute or two is a long fucking fight. Two minutes of a fight is exhausting. It's forever. And he's sitting there. Remember you guys said he's had the guy in the headlock or something? And the guy was like, was it Brewer? He said, I'm sitting there and we're sitting there.

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He said, all I could think about was where are the guards? Why? What's taking them so long? He's like, I'm I'm fighting, hoping that just the guards will show up because he's like, it's been forever. And he's like, I know they've got to be coming. He's like, I finally they ended up coming. Be so like, you know, the whole time I'm sitting there thinking. Please fucking you guys show up.

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Please show up. Please show up.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Everybody's heard that story with the guy. The guy gets three or four years. Oh, that gets into a fight. Puts him to work. Guy ends up, they get into a fight. Guy falls, hits his fucking head in the toilet and dies. Now the kid's got a 15 year sentence. Like you just turned your four year sentence into 15 years, you know, or 20 years or whatever. It's all nonsense. Right.

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Or some guy, hey, go put in some work. Just stab the guy up. He stabs him in the wrong spot. The guy fucking dies. And now you got 20 fucking years. But nonsense. Just for absolute stupidity.

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How was the prison thing? What did you tell people going in? Well, you probably went to a low, right? Yeah. Right. Okay.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, no, I mean, you could tell. And this was the BOP, but they were constantly, like we talked about before, these guards are fighting in the fucking parking lot. Like, they're like, I'll meet you out fucking back. You know, I'll meet you in the parking lot as soon as your shift gets done, motherfucker. And they go out and they get into fistfights.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. So. Well, I'm not saying that they're things. I saw as much violence.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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in the low i saw some of the bloodiest fights i've ever seen in a low than when i saw when i was in in the medium right so i'm not saying there's not fights right but the pot you talk about politics right like are they heavy or not heavy like a medium yeah how much more danger because there's getting in having an issue in the mediums a lot more dangerous because they're willing to go further yes right yeah um no they they knew when i when i went in there staff knew when i walked into my island right when i walked into my island not

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Like, guys would come back with, you know, both eyes are blackened or whatever. They would be in screaming matches on the rec yard. They would, you know, one guy closes the compound. Then they open it back up. Then the other one closes the compound. And you're like, what's going on? Then the guys are practically yelling on the radio. Like, I said the compound, it's closed.

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Well, and the inmates are going to get your name. Somebody's going to run your name. There's got to be multiple. They already knew when I walked up in there. Newspaper articles about you are going to come on.

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Okay, so it's closer to your home. Exactly. I was no longer living in Florida. Okay, your residency was in Florida. I understand. Yeah, I was going to say, because at the low in Coleman, like literally, I was locked up with a guy named Junior, which was a dirty cop from Atlanta who killed somebody.

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I was locked up with two, one, two, three, four homicide detectives. No, not homicide detectives. I'm sorry. Police detectives that were in charge of drug cases. I don't know why I said that. Narcotics. Yeah, narcotics. I was arrested with one guy who was a DEA. I had been in transit with a cop, a cop, It was the same thing when he got to Oklahoma City, because we were together. We got there.

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We went into the room that we talked about, that same type of thing. When he got there, as we were getting there, he told me, he said, they're going to pull me out of here. And because I've been locked up in the facility with him when I so I was in transit a couple of days. I knew he was a cop. And now we're now then we're in the van together. Now we're on the plane together.

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Now we're so we're basically together the whole time. And I know he's a cop. And then when we got there, he said, fuck, you could see you could see them out. The lieutenants and everybody outside the thing through the window. You could see them all go together talking. There was a whole ball of them get together, talk and talk and talk. And he's like, fuck.

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Cause they're going to pull me out of here. I was like, why? He said that they go, they always pull me. He said, I didn't, he did like a year in the shoe already. Cause they didn't want him mixed in with population. So he's like, he had to file paperwork to get taken out of the shoe and put in general pop while he's waiting to be sentenced. You'd already been sentenced.

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Yeah, the whole time he had to file paper. His lawyer had to file paperwork to have him put into general pop. Anyway, so they and sure enough, if they didn't come over, open the door and call out his name. He was like, fuck. He went out there, talked to him for five minutes and came back. And they were like, listen, we don't feel comfortable with. He's like, I don't care.

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Like you're you're he's like, I file paperwork. I'll file it again. He's like, I'm this. You cannot keep me in the fucking shoot the whole time. I don't give a shit. And I don't really and I don't know why they were so harsh with him. I think it was just because it was transit, and you don't really know who's in transit. Exactly.

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One guy's saying it's open. One guy's saying it's closed. Like, you find out these two guys hate each other. Guards are, female guards are fucking one or two of the fucking COs. Then they hate each other.

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Right, and so anyway, they did let him back in, and eventually, I don't know what prison he went to, but I'm sure he went to a low somewhere. But yeah, there was a bunch of cops that had been, that were at the low, and I don't feel like any of them

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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um you know cops can handle themselves you know i'm saying good correctional officers can handle themselves you know i'm saying like they're like oh you're in danger like yeah not really because you i don't know you're not there was a bunch of guys there was a boston cops there was uh right you know illinois cops in there um and listen and the press is not coming like when you get these fucking articles on these guys the press is not kind

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Is Venezuela where they just locked up? Locked up everybody? Is that the one where they built a prison that holds like fucking 10,000 or 100,000 people or something?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, that's the Venezuela thing. Those dudes don't play. They're going to release you, but you got to start walking.

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How did that conversation go? You know, so what did you, I killed a lieutenant. Hey, I used to be a lieutenant.

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Is that it? That's the whole thing? Renegade? Or just Renegade Show? Renegade Show, yeah. Okay. And so you're going to put up an intro, and then you're going to put up some videos. So by the time this comes out, you'll have several videos up. Oh, yeah. You'll be getting into it.

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What are you going to focus on?

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whatever. I don't know how many guards there even were at the low. I'm thinking the low. I would say there were at least four or five guards that were clearly on like oxys. Like they were clearly on, like they had an addiction problem. And it was, you know, they're nodding off in the, you know, in the little, their little office and, you know, whatever it was like.

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I was going to say, put baby lotion on you. You know what I'm saying? Certain things that I would do. They'll strip down and put baby lotion and shit on them.

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Yeah. Are you going to interview, like, former inmates?

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And I don't know, but I would get, you got the other inmates who are no brother to that. He's got, I trust me. I know I was addicted. They're like, and they would say this, he's fucked up or she's messed up or, and then you find out later, they'll send them to detox. Like they'll send them to a rehab for a coverup. Yeah. And then come back and they start over again.

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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I've heard that, too. I was never close enough. But the guys that would work with them, like at rec, you're working right beside the COs, right? Or if you're in commissary, you're right there. The COs right here with two or three of them, and they could smell the alcohol. Or was it this one? There was a female lieutenant who was harassing one of the COs.

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And it was so bad that at one point she had got pulled over for like a DUI and she texted him at like 11 o'clock at night or so. So the cop pulls her over, but they're like, look, call somebody to come get you. Like, I'm not going to arrest you. Right. Leave your car here. But somebody got to come get you. She, the guy she was harassing, she texts him at like, whatever, 11, 12 o'clock at night.

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Whatever happened with that.

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I want to know what it's like going from a leader of an organization to not. Did that stop? You said you were still doing it in prison?

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So what happens when that stops? Is there any actual repercussions or...

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She's trying to convince you like, Hey, come home. This is not going to end well. You're going to go to jail.

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Yes. Yes, sir. So what happened after that? Did you stay living with John or did you move out? Did you, you know, at that point, when did you, did you keep selling drugs? Stay around the, did you stay around the Odyssey? Were you?

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Okay. When did you, did you get out on bond?

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Okay. That was the first time. How much time did you do on 15? Do you do on, would you say 15 months or 16 months? 16 months.

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Everything went right? You started selling insurance, everything?

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When you say hitting, what does that mean? You're robbing them?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Seven years, eight months. You did 80% of that time. So what, five years?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So, go ahead. I was going to say, and you're running that business today? Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I also- Like a shelter? You work for a homeless shelter?

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And I really appreciate you guys watching. Thank you very much. See ya. Hey, this is Matt Cox. And I am here with Alex Rosen. And he is very much like a... Kind of like he runs a channel on... Rumble that is very similar to the show that Chris Hansen used to do, which is, you know, which was hugely popular.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And it's basically he's exposing guys or people, I guess, in general that do inappropriate things or stuff.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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attempt or say listen but just watch the video it'll be all right it's worth watching so i had a but i had a guy who mentioned in the comment section hey because people will watch this they'll say well this isn't his tip although this is still crime related it's crime related definitely right um but a guy said hey uh you have to check out this guy and he gave me your name

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and your channel and said, you have to check him out. He's in Florida right now. And I was like, OK, you know, and I didn't like I didn't know who you were. He explained who you were and what you did. So I screenshot it. I sent it to my booking manager and like it was either the same day or the next day. He was I got the guy. I talked to him. He's in Florida.

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He can be there either today or tomorrow. And I was like, like, wow. And then we talked and then that was yesterday. And then, you know, you're here today. And I actually moved some stuff around. And so, yeah, it's interesting, too, because even still, even then I was like, like, what? I don't understand. Like, who is this? So he sent me the video and I watched the video of the rental truck video.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And the guy had. Driven, what, several states over?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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To meet, I mean, can I say, it was basically to meet like a 13-year-old and a 9-year-old. To meet them to... Anyway, to to see what happened. So he but the way you like, you know, I've seen these kinds of videos and the guys get out and they're super aggressive and they're just and they're they're super condescending, like like a Hanson would go in.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And as soon as he walked in the room, he was so condescending. He shut the guys shut down right away. But you walked up, said all the appropriate things, said, hey, let's go ahead and talk outside. You were so nonjudgmental that that guy just started just spewing out everything. And I noticed after a while, he kind of started backpedaling.

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He started realizing, like, I'm saying the wrong things here. And, um, and, but by then it was way too late. And I mean, it was just, you know, I even mentioned to Connor, I said, I hope this guy has a sense of humor about this. Not that it's a funny subject, um, because people get nuts over it, but it's just the, the absurdity that these guys and the lengths that they go to.

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And it's just, they're so oblivious to what, what's happening, what they're doing that, that it's wrong. Um, Yeah, it's insane. So how did you get into this? I'm sorry.

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So you contact the authorities. When you're on your way to meet them, you guys call the authorities and say, look, this is what's going on. We need an officer. Or do you do it as you're talking to these guys and you're wrapping up? Do you guys then call or... How does that work?

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Because at one point you said, hey, can you go ahead and get the fried pickles? Because I come here. I always get them when I come. And I thought, that seems odd that out of nowhere he just said that. Like, that's got to be clear.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He – yeah, he just started to spill everything, just started very – but the thing is – well, first of all, you're a big guy. So it's not hard for you to move the guy to – and you just said, hey, let's talk out here. I mean the guy is like looking up at you. So he's like, okay. So he immediately bolts out the back and you're standing there. But you were also –

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You know, like I said, you were non-confrontational. Like, I can't see where he would say, oh, I felt uncomfortable or anything like that because you were so... Just appreciative of him moving out there, talking to you, having conversation. And multiple times you were like, oh, yeah, yeah. No, I don't think that's weird at all. No, that's fine. No, no. No, you seem like a nice guy.

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And you're pulling out the transcripts of the text conversations. And you're like, well, here you say this and this. I mean, you seem very respectful. And you were going on and you were making him feel comfortable. And the more comfortable he felt, obviously, the more he talked.

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God, the stuff he was saying. Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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As soon as I saw the van, I said, well, there's no reason for, like, a 45-year-old man to come meet me. Yeah. Couple of young individuals with a van. Like that immediately makes me think serial killer.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So when I went to prison, obviously, I told you that. But I was – I was held in like a marshal's holdover for like a year. Then I was sentenced. Then I did three years in a medium security prison. Well, so there's not a lot of –

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offenders there like this right um because they'll hurt them you know that like they're not they don't do well right you know they basically have to stay in the unit they they don't go in the rec yard they if that when they go to chow to eat like they literally when they call last call and basically the chow halls empty these guys there might be 10 out of 1800 guys

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They'll immediately rush out of the unit, go straight through the line, grab their food, eat as quick as possible, go back to the unit because they have a unit that is there at Coleman. They had a unit that was specifically for people that had mental problems and they would stay in that unit. I mean like guys that are schizophrenic or epilepsy or different issues. But at the low end,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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50% of the inmates out of 1,800 inmates at the low security prison, 1,500 were either there for that specific charge for looking at pictures. Mm-hmm. Almost all of them in federal are looking for pictures. Typically, they're not. We just call them hands on. They're not hands on. Right, right. Hands on typically end up in the state. It's a state crime.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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If you're looking at things on the Internet, the feds get involved. Right. So most of these guys looked at stuff on the Internet. Now, some of them had actually videoed things and they actually were a part of creating, you know.

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Yeah. Like for instance, there was there was at one point the there had been like a bust of honestly, there's probably a thousand maybe even more of guys that were paying like four or five hundred dollars a month to be a part of a website where a father was

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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doing things to his daughter since she was like the age of like nine and she'd been he'd been doing it for like three or four years eventually a guy got caught for something else and he told the authorities listen i can help you with something this is what's going on i'm a member of this site and the site's huge and so they go in and they get all of these guys like ipo addresses they trick they ipo

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IP. IP address? Yeah. What am I saying? Okay. Their IP addresses, they track them all down. They set up stings. They arrest hundreds of them. Nice. We ended up getting like, we probably had 30 of the same guys on the same case. Like they don't know each other, but they're all in the same case. And so like, you know, that's extremely, like to me, it's like,

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you're looking at a picture, an underage person, a picture of them, like, okay, you didn't really do anything. Like, I get it. You're a sicko. You're a pervert. You need counseling. I don't know if you need prison, but whatever. I don't make the rules. But You're a member of a site where some guy is doing something. You're promoting that.

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Hundreds of guys, hundreds, maybe even thousands of people are paying. And this is the thing, too. This is what killed me when somebody had told me about it. Like, hey, bro, like we got like 30 of these guys from this one. I was like, really? And they were like, yeah, they've been coming in over the last two, couple, two, three weeks because they all get sentenced at different times and move.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Hey, this is Matt Cox, and I am here with Lang Martinez, and he is a homeless advocate and an advocate for victims of sexual abuse. So we're going to have an interview and see how, talk about his life and the progression of his life up to this moment. Check it out. Well, I mean, guys, you know, one, I want to talk about the Odyssey and, you know, and your story, but let's start at the beginning.

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So over the last two, three weeks, they're like that guy, that guy. I'm like, oh, wow. OK. And I remember saying, well, I mean, you know, and they were saying, yeah, those guys are like contributing to this crime. And I remember saying, I was like, I said, well, I mean, what would someone pay for that anyway? And they were like, and they told the exact figure.

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And I remember thinking, that's a car payment. Like, you're making a car payment to be a part of this site. And one of the guys was a principal of a school. A lot of these guys put themselves in a position to be around young adults, right? I want to say young adults.

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They get out. So first of all, it's funny because in Florida, they used to not let them go to halfway houses. Right. And that's a big I mean, I know you don't you know, you haven't been locked up, but like you go to prison for five years, you've lost everything. Right. You know, and you get you need to go to a halfway house for six months or so to just you get a job, you save some money.

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Like if they if they just dropped you off at the corner, like, how am I going to where am I going? Right. Oh, your friends and family. Well, what if you don't have friends and family? If you're a criminal, there's a good chance that they've turned their back on you. If you're one of these guys.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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they're done with them oh yeah like almost always and then florida used to really only about a year ago they started letting them go to halfway houses again it was like 10 or 15 years where one had gone to a halfway house committed a crime in the halfway house they said uh we're done with these guys and they cut them off but they just started letting them go again um to you know get back on their feet but then they can't it's hard for them to find some place to to live

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They're all terrified of what's going to happen when they get out.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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um they do not have an easy time in in coleman like i mean in prison in coleman they had an easier time than most prisons at the at the low that i was at because it almost caters to them but they still they're bullied they're pushed around they're told they can't watch tv they can you know you can't come in the tv room you can't that it's it's it's rough and then they get out of course they have to start their whole lives over again

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So there's a lot more stress on them. And I'm telling you right now, a lot of them do come back. There were some guys that had been in state prison once or twice and were now in federal prison for 10 years. Listen, it took me one time to go to prison. I'm not going back. But you're right. There's something. They're wired wrong. And the other thing is now they have something called

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It's a public safety factor where they make them go take a course, and if they don't pass the course, then they won't release them. They can permanently keep them in prison, supposedly. That's a law, but I don't know if they've done it yet. The other thing is when these guys get out and they're on probation, they make them take a lie detector. They're typically not allowed on social media.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They're on him. They're supposed to be on him.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I don't typically commit crime, but when I do, it's bank fraud. Stay greedy, my friends.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So do you sometimes have to go – like once they grab these guys, do you sometimes have to go and testify at like a trial? Like do they go to trial?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Jeez, I can't imagine going to a state facility with that charge.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It's not going to be easy. I mean, it's going to be some hard, hard time. I was trying to think, what are the other things that, trying to think of all the different things that they're trying to do to curb the behavior and curb, like, you know, they can give them shots. They can do, there's all kinds of stuff that the federal government tries to do. They monitor the hell out of them. Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, but I don't know. I don't know what stops it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Um, so, I mean, I have a, a, a slightly different, you know, um, because I, because I, I was in a prison where like half of these guys, either, you know, they had either those specific charges or those charges in their past. Like you might be here on a, a, a completely different charge where in your past you had a charge.

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So they can't send those guys to – you can't send those guys to just anywhere. You know what I mean? Because one of the things that happens when you get to prison is they want to see your paperwork. Right. So it's going to be listed in your paperwork. They're not going to be okay with that. So – but I spent – so I spent a considerable amount of time in a prison with these guys and clearly –

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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There's something not right. You can look at them and tell, oh, something. We actually had him kind of categorize. Like, he's a sleeper. You know, he's a sloth. He's emotionally, was it stunted? Emotionally underdeveloped. So I forget what it was. But what, and I don't know the exact statistic. I'd love to know what the statistic, the exact statistic.

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But I remember having a conversation where a guy had said, Well, you have to understand that like 70 or 80% of these guys were or claim to be have been taken advantage of when they were kids. And as a result of that, it's stunted them in some way. And now they connect. You know, whatever, you know, you know, those acts with the age that they were taken advantage of or close to it.

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And I remember the guy said that he's like, so, you know, it's kind of messed up. And I went, you know, and I get that. And in that way, they're victims. Like, I feel for you.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I feel for you that this guy went through that. but that created a monster. And as unfair as it is, you can't let monsters roam society. So do I feel for you? I feel for your plight. I feel for what happened to you. It's unreasonable, it's not right, but it happens to lots of people. that don't turn into this. Absolutely.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Some people are more susceptible to, you know, and, and, and that's, and that's horrible. That's a horrible thing. But once again, it's like, sorry, you know what I'm saying? Exactly. It's like saying I was, I was born poor. And everybody I know is a drug dealer. And so I sell drugs. Well, I understand that's certainly a contributor.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But there's lots of people in your neighborhood that have regular jobs. Right. They were born poor. Their parents were drug dealers. Their parents were in and out of... Like, that's an excuse. You know, in a way, it's an excuse. Like, I get it. It is a contributing factor. But it doesn't happen to everybody. Not everybody lets that take over their lives. Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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um for now um you know until i settle down with my girlfriend and we have like beautiful babies together um i'm gonna keep doing this and hopefully um when we settle down somewhere i'm gonna go be a police officer in whatever area but so um so basically you you you have a rumble channel how long have you had the rumble channel i've had the rumble channel for a couple months now is it working out as well as the other platform

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Okay. So there's not... No issues? No, no issues, yeah. Well, because I was thinking about doing a Rumble channel, like moving some stuff. I have a ton of content at this point, like starting a channel and moving it over there. Also... So do you ever watch – is it Puggy Pug?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So yeah, yeah. So is there a lot of editing in the videos? Because I noticed... You know there was there were parts that were cut out like it was that one video was like 45 minutes, right? Um, so how much was trimmed down or was it was it just in its entirety?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I don't even... Okay, I don't know. What else? Do you want to cover anything else? First, I have a question. Are you living out of hotels? No.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, because right now you're leaving here to go to another state. It's not like you're even going in Florida. As soon as you leave here, you've got to leave by a certain time. You're getting in your car. You're driving for four or five hours or six hours. I don't know how long it is.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Seven hours to grab somebody. that's already prepared to be someplace, you know, and then you were like, what was it a couple of days ago? You were somewhere else. Like, I mean, how often are you, are you grabbing?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, I'm saying how often are you grabbing people?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And it's you, and so are you actually texting, or is this you have a crew or some other guys that are actually doing the...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Do these guys ever – bolt like do you ever walk up and say hey so what's going on they go Done. And just take off?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, I think they're trying to explain the situation. Oh, if I explain it correctly, he'll understand, right?

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Well, I mean you're a big guy. Yeah. You're like what? Six? Six-four. Six-four? Yeah. Yeah, you're – yeah. That's massive. I mean to me, especially to me, I'm tiny. So you're massive. Yeah, I don't see anybody getting – it just kills me like when I would watch the TV shows. And listen, here's what's funny is in prison –

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Guys would go and watch, keep in mind what half the people there were there for. Guys would go and they would get, 20 guys would get around and they'd watch the TV show. And they would just, let's just like, you know, laugh and just, you know, or shake their heads. And, you know, and then, you know, these guys are all there and they know what they're watching.

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It's just a super uncomfortable situation. And every time, like I would sit there and I'd see them go and they'd sit down. They'd sit down and I'd go, oh my God. why is he sitting down? Or the, some guys would get up and run and then the cops would pounce on him. Right, right, right. So I was just wondering if anybody ever took off. Yeah.

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And he just... So it is what it is. Do you try and follow them or... I used to kind of do that.

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Right. I was just going to say, like, you've got so many... Like there's another guy in two days. There's another one in four days. At that point, you don't even have to pursue anybody because it sounds to me like you've got so many people that are throwing lines out there all the time. Yep. Last time I counted how many people we're talking to, it was like 80.

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And what's so messed up is as many times as you throw a line out, you almost catch fish. Yeah. I don't know.

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Oh, there's a ton of code words, right? Yeah. Yeah. They'll have a whole conversation in front of you. You don't even got a fucking clue what's going on. Like, I'm like, like, it doesn't quite make sense. Like what these two guys are saying, but to them, it certainly does.

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You know what's funny is that, like, in the state, we'll give them these sentences of, like, three years, two years, four years. And yet, if they're caught with, you know, viewing cheap, you know, cheese pizza on the internet, like, the minimum – of having just like one image is like three years in the feds. And typically these guys are coming in with five, 10, 15, 20 year sentences in the feds.

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They had a guy from Germany who had been talking to an FBI agent that he thought was a 13-year-old boy, and he was in Germany, he got on a plane from Germany and flew to the United States. They arrested him in the airport. They didn't even set the guy. They didn't even like, listen, we have these horrific messages or horrific string of texts going back and forth, and you just got on a plane.

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You don't have a prayer. So he ended up going to trial and trying to say, listen, in my country, I have not broken the law. Like the age of consent is whatever it was. It is like 13 or 14. And the person he was talking, he's like, so in my country, I haven't broken the law. They were like, yeah, but you were talking to someone in the United States and you flew to the United States.

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So you were intending to do this to someone in the United States and break the law. He goes, yeah, but in my country, I haven't broken the law. Like going there to do it and not doing it isn't breaking the law. He went to trial. He lost. He got 25 years. Oh, my gosh. He tried desperately to get the German government to like come to his aid, like their version of like the U.S.

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attorney or their attorneys to try and say, look, send this guy back to us. No harm, no foul. They weren't receptive to helping him in any way at all. Yeah, he was a thin German guy walking around, had 25 years, didn't know what to do. He's done. He's done. They're not going to cut you any slack at all with that charge, especially in the justice system, not in the federal justice system.

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But it always killed me. In the state, had that been a state crime, He'd have probably gotten two or three years. Right. You know, he'd have been on a registry somewhere. But the feds, man, they're handing out time like it's nothing.

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It doesn't even matter if he knew or not. This is a U.S. citizen. Right, right. Now, I agree that laws in your country are different. They're great. Stick to your country.

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Victimize your people.

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You've got to go with, they've got to jump on a plane and fly over here. I was going to say, there was also a guy that got 10 years. He was a teacher, teacher of the year like three years in a row.

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He used to brag about that. He bragged about that in prison? Yeah. He was like, you know, I was teacher of the year three years in a row. I was like, okay. Well, it's not why you're here.

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inappropriate relations with young, young girls who were prostitutes, according to him, in that country. And then he had come back to the United States and he had photographs on his phone. Oh, okay. And he was engaged in talking with other people online. Somebody got busted. The FBI had read the transcripts where he had talked about, listen, this is where you got to go. And he had sent pictures.

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So now you're distributing... And you've just admitted online this. So they end up grabbing him. He ended up taking a plea for 10 years. Like you can't go to trial. The guys that go to trial get 25 years. So like take your 10. But anyway.

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We had a guy who – God, I wish I could remember this guy's name too. He was probably 6'1", 6'2", good-looking guy. Had been in trouble before. but got probation for the same thing. Then he got caught with photographs. Went to Coleman for, I want to say, four or five years. He was there a few years that I know of.

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Got out and while on supervised release, violated his supervised release because what he said was, I had an email address they didn't know about And they found out I had this email address and they violated my probation. Now that's possible. You have to tell them all social media, everything. Even I have to tell them, hey, here's my email addresses that I use. Here's my phone number.

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Here's my address. Like they have to come by. But he had one that was an email address. And I remember thinking, well, I wonder how they figured out he had an extra email address. And why would you have one and not tell them?

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so he ended up getting uh his probation violated he came back they gave him like whatever 12 months or something so he comes back he's waiting to go he's waiting to to leave you know there was he was in um already been in county jail for several months It's so funny too because I remember my ex-wife had come to see me, and we were in visitation. And she would always be sitting in visitation.

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She'd go, what's that guy here for? I'd go, him? Bank robbery. She'd go, really? I'd go, yeah, he robbed like five or six banks. She's like, he's so fat. And I'm like, I know, right? You would think, like, he's huge. And I would tell her what he did. Because I knew, like, anybody who had semi-interesting cases, I knew. And then, of course, other inmates tell you about other inmates.

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And then she was like, what about this guy? I was like, oh, this. And she goes, what about this guy? And I go, you'll never guess. And she goes, what? She goes, fraud, fraud. She's good looking. She goes, he's smooth. She goes, con man, right? Fraud. And I go, no. She goes, bank robber? No. Truck dealer? And then I tell her what he's there for and she goes, but he's so good looking.

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And I was like, I know. I was like, I know, right? He can have anybody. But here's what happened. Remember I told you about the email address? Yeah. After a few months, he gets called up to the lieutenant's office to be served. That email address he was using to communicate that was connected to like a Facebook page or Facebook or something. He was communicating with like a 13 or 14 year old.

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And so they they took just to get him off the street. They violated his paper because they can do that just by saying we're violating here for this. And you can't there's nothing you can do. You don't have rights. They threw him back in prison. The judge gave him 12 months while the investigate. He didn't want to tell anybody what there was an investigation. Well, they charged him.

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He was looking at something like six or eight more years or something. You know, like being caught. Got probation. Caught again. Went to jail. On probation. Did it again. And I'm telling you, this guy, this is what we call the sleeper. Sleeper was somebody that was like, no, he looks like a normal guy. Funny, nice.

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And, of course, when they get there, they would always try and tell you they were there for something else.

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You know what always bothered me? Almost 95% of the time they pick fraud. That bothers me. You can't pick drugs. You have to sully fraud. You know, they would go, they'd be like, oh, I'm here for fraud. And I'd go, well, what kind of fraud? Oh, credit card fraud. Credit card fraud. That's the charge? Credit card fraud?

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Well, in the federal system, there's no such thing as credit card fraud. It's like access device fraud. It's bank fraud. It's financial institution fraud. There's no credit card fraud. And so already now I'm looking at the guy going, no. And I go, really? What did you do? And I let him tell me this long story that makes no sense at all, the way they imagine credit card fraud works.

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I go, where did you get the social security numbers? Well, how did you get this? How did you get the credit cards? Well, you didn't have them mailed to your house, did you? No, I had them mailed to a P.O. box. Really? They mail credit cards to a P.O. box? They don't. You know what I'm saying? And I just let him bury himself and bury himself. And I walk away.

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They go, hey, so what's that guy here for? I go, I don't know. You know, boom, this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cheese pizza. No. Yeah. Chomo. Chomo. He's a mo.

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Listen, the guys that are watching sports, it's – They're all massive screaming, hollering. I can't stand screaming and hollering.

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While I was incarcerated?

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two correctional officers got busted that worked for your place well one was in the medium this was a guy lieutenant zachary i only remember his name because he balled me out one time threatened throwing me in the in the shoe after i've been there like two weeks and i i had my chair you know there's two-tier system where and there's like a you know like a balcony that goes a wrap around you've seen prison shows like that prison was like a real prison

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And I had my chair sitting on the second tier watching TV. And he goes, you, you. And I was like, yeah. I've thrown people in the shoe for like, he just balls me out. Everybody's looking. I'm like, what did I do? And he's like, you know, you're sitting in your chair up against the railing. And I was like, what the fuck is your problem? Like, okay, tell me. Just tell me.

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Like, I just got here, you know. But anyway, probably two weeks, three, maybe a month later, somebody came to me and said, bro, did you see the paper? Boom. Like they had, he went to like a Publix to meet some, some, some kid who was like a 14 year old, you know, girl or something. And to me, bam, they grab him.

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It was all a sting. It was all a sting. Oh my God. Another guy used his computer at the facility. Like was looking at stuff on the facility and he – same thing. It was an FBI sting. He was in a chat room. He got messed up. But it wasn't – it was – what was so horrible was that they actually have things on the computers like to spot stuff like that.

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So somehow or another, they actually knew what he was looking at. There was a log of it on him. He wasn't even trying. Like you're surrounded by these guys. Like you're not even making an attempt. You're just brazen about it. He, yeah, all same thing. They walked him off the, they came and got him on the compound. Jeez. You know, grabbed him and walked him off. We never saw him again.

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Listen, the congressional officers at a lot of these facilities are just, they're mainly DUIs. They get into fist fights with each other. I mean, they're just, you know, these are the guys that, like, they couldn't quite be law enforcement. Right, right, right. A lot of times they're just nice guys. You know, maybe they did some military time. They got out. This looks like an easy gig.

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I really don't want to be a cop. I just want to kick back. And those are the guys that are okay. Those are the COs that you're like, he's all right. Like, he's just here to get a check. But some of them are just – they're like sadists. They're there to make your life miserable. And they don't have the temperament to be a police officer.

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So what, he didn't come to meet you with his dad. No, no, no. You guys went to him.

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Well, I think also being a – well, I mean in general, but in general also congressional officers feel like they're law enforcement. Yeah. They are law enforcement.

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So they're law enforcement. And for some reason of some law enforcement, not all of them, but some law enforcement feel like as a result of being law enforcement, they're above the law. Like it doesn't really apply to them. Well, you know –

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it does but i guess because they've been in that situation and a lot of times they protect their own to such a degree they start to instead of realizing like wow i dodged a bullet i need to straighten up they don't they become emboldened by it and they get even more risky or could they conduct even more risky behavior yeah i mean we're talking to another ceo now he's in uh

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Like, where were you born?

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Well, yeah. Yeah, I don't know. Do you have anything else you can think you want to... I know there's a time where you said we're coming up on one.

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Overall, I'm a talker. I'm a talker.

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I wish we could talk more openly. You know what I'm saying? There's certain things that I just don't want to get... there's actually a guy do you remember brett uh um brett johnson you know his channel got taken down so this guy came here super cool guy um um scammer and you know came here like it had like a huge case like like as far as being like

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You know, if you could say like the fraudster, scammer kind of, you know, subculture, you know, he's like at the top. Like he's like everybody, every scam artist out there like knows who Brett Johnson is, right? So he came and he had a channel and just kind of started it and was doing, you know, semi, doing well, starting to get going.

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he did a, I think he did a zoom interview with a woman that was, and I only got it through a text with him. So I believe it had to do with, um, kind of like, um, like sugar daddies, like guys that are paying women that they're, they're going to college and kind of like that.

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I think I forget the name of it, but, but yeah, where they basically pay them and they, they pay their, for their, you know, whatever their living expenses, whatever they, they try and say that it's not, You know, they try and say it's not that, but it is. Right. You know, and so he had this conversation with this woman.

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This is what I this is what I'm I may be off, but on on a Zoom podcast, like what she was doing, she's running the site. She's this way. He put that up. And they took down his entire website and everything. He's like, he's trying. He's like, I'm trying to appeal it. I don't understand what happened. It's the only thing I can think of. I put the video up. Within like 24 hours, it got shut down.

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Everything was wiped, was taken off.

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she wasn't like nude no no no no like he's he's saying like i i don't understand what happened like he he was and this was a couple months ago because people were in my comment section telling me hey bro you know brett johnson's and his channel's down like the whole thing's down like you can't even find him so he then so i contacted him i said hey bro what's going on he said man listen this is what happened he told me he said i'm hoping to have it back up in a couple weeks well

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A couple of weeks ago, which now had been like two months, was probably a week or two ago. I asked him if it was back. It's not back up. I mean, I can see that it's not back up. And he said, I have no idea, bro. I'm moving. He said, we're hoping to get it up. We're trying. We're disputing. We're trying to figure out what's happened. I'm moving everything to rumble. And that's what – that's – so.

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Yeah. So based on the algorithm or based on, you know, videos we've seen, like my analytics.

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like say that my channel should be blowing up should be blowing up like like people are watching like more than 25 of my videos like like like i'm doing three sometimes four videos a um a week like we've been we've never dropped off we've been consistent for two years like the whole thing but and for some reason it just i have people telling me bro i like i don't i I don't get notified.

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Like I've got the bell on. I don't get notified of your video. I thought you hadn't posted in two weeks. I went and checked and you've posted like six videos. And then they're like, I unsubscribe, resubscribe, hit the bell. Like they'll do the whole thing over again. And I've had that. It's not like it's three people. I've had dozens say that.

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And the only thing I remember is talking to this guy, and I'll let you go. I was talking to this guy one time and I said, I know what, I've been shadow banned. And I know why. I used to have a Trump painting up here. And this is what, like, and I'm like, the Trump painting got me shadowbanned. That's what it is. It could. It's very possible.

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When I first kind of, well, I'm sorry, a year and a half ago when I first started, so I had maybe 10 or 15,000 views or subscribers. I probably had two months straight, maybe three months where I was getting 3,000 to 3,500 new subscribers every month. Good. And the videos were getting, you know, 4,000, 5,000, 6,000 views, you know, not a whole bunch.

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now my videos get twice as much and i get about a thousand maybe eleven hundred new subscribers a month and i'm putting out twice as much content and and it's even longer content right i was putting out 30 minute videos to an hour videos and getting 3 500 new subscribers now i'm putting out two hour and two hour videos sometimes four hour videos And I'm getting 1,000 new subscribers a month.

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And you... And you moved in with a man. What was his name?

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It doesn't make sense.

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Well, you know, hopefully things change. Hopefully, you know, I'm just pushing through it. But I appreciate you driving. Yeah, Rumble. I appreciate you driving here. I appreciate you coming. Thanks for squeezing me into your schedule.

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And so do you have any other any platforms that you want to push? I mean, I know your favorite is you've got you. I know Puggy Pug. I know you love that.

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All right. All right. All right. So, hey, I really appreciate Alex coming by and I appreciate you guys watching this video. Do me a favor. And if you like the video, hit the subscribe button. Hit the bell so you get notified of videos just like this. Leave me a message in the in the comments section. I try and respond to almost all comments, even if it's just a heart.

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But a lot of times I'll respond if it's worthy of a response. Also, I have a Patreon account. I got books for sale. Everything, all the links are in the description. I really appreciate it. So thank you and see ya.

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I just want to know who to refer to. Right. Well, we go to John, you know, if you want, if you're Tom or something.

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Well, let's just go with John.

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Yeah. Which are, I mean, were you raised, you know, middle class? No. No.

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What's going on, YouTube? RDAP Dan here, Federal Prison Time Consulting. Hope you guys are all having a great day. If you're seeing and hearing this right now, that means you're watching Matt Cox on Inside True Crime.

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At the end of Matt's video, there will be a link in the description where you can book a free consultation with yours truly, RDAP Dan, where we can discuss things that could potentially mitigate your circumstances to receive the best possible outcome at sentencing or even after you started your prison sentence.

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Prior to sentencing, we can focus on things like your personal narrative, your character reference letters, prepping you properly for the pre-sentence interview, which is going to determine a lot of what type of sentence you receive. If you've already been sentenced, we can also focus on the residential drug abuse program, how you can knock off one year off of your sentence.

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Also, we have the First Step Act, where you can earn FSA credits while serving your sentence. For every 30 days that you program through the FSA, you can actually knock an additional 15 days off per month. These are huge benefits, and the only way you're going to find out more is by clicking on the link, booking your free consultation today. All right, guys, see you soon at the end of the video.

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Peace. I'm out of here. Back to you, Matt.

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No. Let me write you the check. I'm not going. going to Columbia. Well, and I had never been to Columbia. I had heard things. It doesn't sound like a vacation. Well, not at all. You've never been to Columbia? I'm sure it's beautiful in the tourist area.

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I basically just need to get myself there.

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You know, I already wasn't happy. I was like, about two months. Yeah, you got about two months of doing nothing.

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Is that how you're referring to them? The inventory? That's how they refer to them? Just inventory? No, I can't say. Oh, okay.

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But yeah, he was- I'm sorry. When this guy pitches, hey, I want to build this hotel- Is he specifically like how it's going to be designed specifically so that they can't leave? Yes. Okay. Yes.

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So it's a dungeon that's dressed up as a nice resort.

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Don't those guys, don't these people, like the police in the general area, they have to be involved. For sure. You know what I'm saying? For sure.

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You had to kind of conflate things because you can't make a 10-hour movie. Exactly.

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You're killing me, bro. You're killing me. That movie was hugely impactful. And every time you try and step outside of the box, you got about a 99% chance of just losing your ass. And that's why I was saying you could not have expected. You probably thought, okay, I'd be lucky to get some of my money back on this. And then it blows up. because most of the time they don't.

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They just die a quiet death and nobody even knows it happened.

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Yeah, they're terrified for some reason. Yeah. You know? Well, let's go back to the— The rescue mission. I was going to say the party. The party rescue mission. So you've got these guys. You've got 25 people ready to swarm the place. You've already got waiters, cooks. You've got the place staffed with— Well, they're also Colombians, right?

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Absolutely. So after high school, you go to university, and what did you focus in? And you're saying you dropped out at some point?

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I said, what are you thinking? Are you, what do you, I mean, you don't know that these people, that these, whatever, the SWAT or whoever's gonna swarm in, you don't know that they're ever coming. Are you not thinking, I gotta back out of this situation? Like, how do I get myself out of this room?

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I was, F it all. Remove the danger. If there's no danger at all, it doesn't matter. I still, how do I, like, I can't, you can't continue the charade forever. Forever. Is there any way for you to get a phone and call somebody and say, what the fuck are you? Yeah. What are you doing?

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And all this is being recorded. So it's not like these guys can say, Man, I was just sitting here with Bob. No, no, you're arguing for your 10% or your 5% or 3%.

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And you're going with Paul Johnson.

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It was exactly the kind of friends that a weirdo, you know what I'm saying?

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Yeah, it all supports everything. And you can always try and connect your website to the Instagram, which just keeps re-supporting. You know what I'm saying? Over and over. So these guys find this link. Oh, look, he's also got a website. Oh, look, he's also got a LinkedIn. Exactly. And it's all supportive. And they're like, oh, he's absolutely legit. Exactly.

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Yeah, if you have to pull the FBI and the NSA, you can't find you. You know what I'm saying? They're probably doing all right. Exactly. As far as the U.S. Marshals are concerned, on their best day, they still have an attitude. Exactly. They always come off as very gruff. Exactly. They're not people-pleasers. You're going down. Exactly.

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Yeah, and that cop knock, you know, boom, boom, boom, boom. I was like, jeez, bro, what are you doing? Exactly. They don't knock nicely. So what we're – so at – So what happens at that point? Like, I mean, are these... Are you changing your identity every time you do a different sting operation?

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Or are you keeping it the same because when these guys... Because at some point, these guys, when they get grabbed, even though they're grabbing you too, at some point, they probably have to put it together like, I think this guy was in on it somehow, you know?

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Um, can I ask a question? Is that when you go into these areas, I mean, you're going into another country, like, are you guys, and I understand you're, you're at some point you're, you're communicating with the locals, but you're not really telling the local law enforcement you're coming in until you have to, because otherwise you're not getting anywhere.

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Um, are you going in there and are these guys that are with you armed? Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So they're going in unarmed.

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Yeah, I was going to say, I think I probably still would have been like, yeah, we got to go. One of these guys is going to talk. They're going to say something to somebody. You know what I'm saying? You could end up getting, you know, the cartel will go down and just gun down everybody. Yeah. Yeah, that's very risky. So, of course, that's the last time I've ever been in Puerto Vallarta.

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I do have a question. Sure. So everybody's seen the movie Taken, right? So how... Are they getting a hold of, let's say, the product? In that movie, of course, those are teen girls, but how are they – are these guys going into a very poor community and going to their families and saying, look, you've got too many kids?

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this nine-year-old or 11-year-old, let me give you $200 and I'll just take her. She's a burden to you. We're going to have her go and she's going to work on a farm with puppies. And you know all the bullshit that they say to justify what you're about to do so you can feel good about it. Or she's going to go live with a rich family or whatever they tell them.

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And here's $200 from the rich family and whatever justification they need to give you or their family. Or is it They pull up in a van, throw a bag over their head and yank them in the van and hit them with a taser and they wake up in a city somewhere or in a warehouse somewhere, chained to a bed. You know what I'm saying? I'm wondering where are they coming from?

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Yeah, that was a long time ago, right?

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Had they had an unattractive Superman? Is there an unattractive one? No, this is, this is all. This is the more recent. This is the more recent. The last two have been pretty over the top.

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And this is, and you're, are you still what you're, I'd say you're, you're, you're no good for undercover work. I had to stop.

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Yeah. It was in his studio. It was in Los Angeles. But where was it located? So when I did his podcast, it was on Skid Row.

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Yeah, it was rough. It was rough. I mean, you could hear the sirens in the back, people screaming outside. Yeah. The whole thing. It was rough. And I always joked because I had watched a couple of the videos prior to that. My wife watches them all the time. I just can't. But you could hear the sirens and people screaming in the background on the videos. And I thought...

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He's got like, you know, he's got like background sounds he puts in there. No, these are two junkies screaming outside the door and an ambulance going by or the police. So when I was doing it, I was like... My God, I remember he had me stop a few times and I was like, oh, I thought you wanted that. He's, yeah, this- A little bit much. Because yours isn't that kind of, but he's so good.

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Like the quality, the everything. He's such a professional, you know, and a perfectionist. Yeah. you know, and kind of like, he's one of those guys that, um, you know, I always say, you know, like yourself, it's, uh, you know, like somebody has to work at the food, at the food bank. Yeah. I'm not doing it. I'm not going to do it, but somebody needs to.

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And I'm always like, thank God for those guys. Cause I'm the, I can't, I can't do it. Like, but he, he would, you know, and you could see like everybody, everybody knew him down there. Um, you know, he's, he's, he's amazing. I'm super impressed by him. Yeah. For some reason. I don't know why.

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Yeah. Well, it's not just that. It's that I think he's just doing something like, you know, it's kind of the same thing. He made a bunch of money. I don't need to do anything else. And I've taken this one endeavor. I'm going to do this the rest of my life because it needs to be done. It's like, you know? Shining that light in the darkness.

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Low security prisons in federal system are flooded with the nickname is CHOMOs. I don't know if you've ever heard the nickname. And it's funny because it's like 80 some odd over in the 80s, like 80 some odd percent of them

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will have report that they were abused as a child yeah and it so and that's the ones that are saying it yeah you know who knows the ones that just don't recall or simply are saying or don't want to even acknowledge it because that's i'm sure that's a i'm sure it's it's high and a lot most of the time it's also there's like a tends to be a correlation where it's like oh i was i The guy was nine.

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Nine year olds. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And so you think it's – I always – you would hear this and I would always say that's horrible that these guys were created and it's a horrible situation. Yeah. But now you're a monster. You know what I'm saying? And you can't let monsters roam. You can't. It's unfair. I get it. I'm sorry. And I feel bad for you. And I know that you're a victim.

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Yeah, yeah. Right? These guys are clearly going the wrong way. Exactly. There's something else you can do then for you to get into this.

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I wasn't thinking that. I was just thinking, these people's admiration for you is going to get you in trouble. Stop telling people I'm such an amazing person.

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Yeah. I was gonna say, there's no, there's no, what is it? There's no way to overdose on that. No way.

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Yeah, you have to be able to fake sincerity. Yeah, yeah. Which makes a great salesman. I do have two questions real quick, and then let's go back to that meeting when they first approached you. But real quick, did you ever go as a Mormon, did you ever go on a mission? I did. You did? Yeah. Only because you know James? So I have a good friend, James, and he's Mormon, and he went on a mission.

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We we interviewed a guy who was a he was in the army. Remember, he was a helicopter. He worked on helicopters. He was in Afghanistan. He was talking about and he came here. He was talking about he had he was micro. Yeah.

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And he said it was helping. It was it was the only thing that had helped. with his PTSD.

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But he very much is the kind of guy that can – he can just walk up and talk to anybody and just be – and super engaging and follows, and he's very – like he makes you feel at ease right away and – And he's also Mormon, went on a mission. I was thinking, maybe that's from knocking on doors. It's gutsy to just be able... For sure. Most people don't have that skill.

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But when they come back to the United States, their head's right, but they've gained five pounds. Is that? No, they're actually, you're super healthy. Everything is a chocolate effect. Exactly.

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There's no reason to come back to the United States. Exactly.

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Yeah. Right. You know, so you're tough.

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I was going to see, it was going to say most other things, like let's say a honeypot, most other things are forgivable. Like, like people will, like your wife may or may not forgive you for having an affair. If there are photos out there or a video, but, There are some things that are just, you know, you making a racist comment.

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There's tons of things that people will be like, ah, you could apologize, and people will get over. They ain't getting over that.

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Yeah, but what about this? And they go, no, no, ignore that. Why? Instead, it's just they're blindly following whatever. path they're being led along. And at some point you would think, I don't know, there's just no journalist anymore. I was gonna say you're journalistic integrity, but the truth is, is if you have journalistic integrity, you don't end up on CNN. You know what I'm saying?

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You don't get to that point. Yeah, exactly. Because you've asked too many questions that they thought, yeah, that dude's, he's asking too many, he's asking the right questions.

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Get rid of him. We need someone that will blindly do what we're telling them to do. Exactly, exactly.

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Yeah, I was gonna say, it's like the public school system It's a minimal education to create workers. That's what public school is. Absolutely. First of all, it would require one extra class of finance for you to understand that, hey, kids, if you just put a couple hundred dollars away in a savings account every month, you'd be a multimillionaire in 30 years.

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Compound interest, this isn't rocket science.

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There are little tiny changes you have to make that would guarantee that you would live a much, much better life. We don't teach them that. Teach them how to read. Teach them how to write. Teach them the history that we want them to know. Teach them how to follow directions, how to work in a factory, how to be a low-level manager. And if they're super smart, they can become a manager.

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So that's public school. But if your family is wealthy, well, now we send you to the schools that teach you those extra couple of classes and you have a much better chance of becoming wealthy, an entrepreneur, owning your own business. And it's subtle. It's not even huge. It's not even a massive amount of money or extra education. It's a couple of classes.

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It's a few more classes that you have to take. You don't have to take it for five years. The last year of high school, you could teach a couple extra classes or over the course of three years, and it would fundamentally change everybody's thinking. But they don't do that. What you're doing is, how do we get rid of slavery? And instead of having to buy these slaves, house them,

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educate them, feed them, keep them healthy. How do we do that? How do we get these guys to work for slave labor and give them just enough money so that they can house themselves, feed themselves, keep themselves healthy, get to work, and get back? And if they can't even do that, we'll give them buses to get back and forth. We'll give them just enough. Exactly. So, I mean, I've always, you know,

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looked at that and thought, you know, listen, they, they didn't, they just, they just changed it subtly and they don't now, now everybody's free, free to work at Walmart and stock shelves and not be able to pay for your healthcare and, and struggle your whole life and take the bus back and forth to work and live in a, uh, an expensive one bedroom apartment and just be in a shitty situation and basically be a slave the rest of your life, you know, but you know, free YouTube's free.

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The other thing I was going to say is that it's funny that all the things that can control your mind and the way you're thinking, all of that's free. Instagram, YouTube, all of these are free things. You know what I'm saying? and how easily they can sway perception.

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I can tell you right now. We can take an hour trip and drive down to the low security prison in Coleman, Florida, the federal prison. And I tell you right now, 50% of the 2,000 inmates in the low are all sickos. They're all weirdos. Yeah, they are. They are. And they're just like normal people. You know what I'm saying? You would never have a clue. Never guess.

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We had three guys there that worked for NASA, and they were all locked up for – there was a military wing that out of 150 guys in the military wing, like 130 of them had those crimes. Wow. And, I mean, it's insane. Yeah. And these are guys that they're looking at photographs.

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Because if they're hands-on, and there's a few that are hands-on, but if they're really hands-on, they end up in the state and they get less time in the state for being hands-on than they do in the feds for looking at photographs. So, I mean, the disparity is insane. Like, these are guys that actually took that step and did something, and they get less time. Wow. Broken system. It's everywhere.

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When the attorney general said, have you, you know, met Paul? And they brought you in at that time. They approached you at that point. Like, how is that? What are they saying to you? I mean, I get you're saying they're saying, no, he's the guy to do it. But I mean, why? You hadn't done anything like this. I hadn't done anything.

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They're still all perfectly, they still all apply to this very day.

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Yeah. And no, no, no, no. Yeah. It's illegal to be homeless.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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He's making a mantle. Right.

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And Rossini in the 1990s was a 20 something year old Los Angeles based drug trafficker of ecstasy and ice. He and his associates drove luxury European supercars. lived in Beverly Hills penthouses, and dated Playboy models while dodging federal indictments. Then, two FBI officers with the Organized Crime Drug Enforcement Task Force entered the picture.

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Dirty agents willing to fix cases and identify informants. Suddenly, two of Rossini's associates, confidential informants working with federal law enforcement, were murdered. Everyone pointed to Rossini. As his co-defendants prepared for trial, U.S. Attorney Robert Mueller sat down to debrief Racine at Leavenworth Penitentiary. And another story emerged.

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A tale of FBI corruption and complicity in murder. You see, Pierre Rossini knew something that no one else knew. The truth. And Robert Mueller and the federal government have been covering it up to this very day. Devil Exposed. A twisted tale of drug trafficking, corruption, and murder in the City of Angels. Available on Amazon and Audible.

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But Chris... Using forgeries and bogus identities, Matthew B. Cox, one of the most ingenious con men in history, built America's biggest banks out of millions. Despite numerous encounters with bank security, state, and federal authorities, Cox narrowly, and quite luckily, avoided capture for years. Eventually, he topped the U.S. Secret Service's most wanted list and led the U.S.

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Marshals, FBI, and Secret Service on a three-year chase, while jet-setting around the world with his attractive female accomplices. Cox has been declared one of the most prolific mortgage fraud con artists of all time by CNBC's American Greed. Bloomberg Businessweek called him the mortgage industry's worst nightmare, while Dateline NBC described Cox as a gifted forger and silver-tongued liar.

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Playboy magazine proclaimed his scam was real estate fraud, and he was the best. Shark in the Housing Pool is Cox's exhilarating first-person account of his stranger-than-fiction story. Available now on Amazon and Audible.

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And he's thinking that was a state charge. Right. This is definitely going federal. But right now it's still state. You're just the guy that got arrested. You don't realize it's going federal.

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So what he says is. Okay, listen, I can represent you on this as long as it stays state. Who arrested you? Oh, the local task force arrested me. Okay, so the local guys, right?

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You're in local custody. So has anybody talked to you about it going federal or? No, no, no, no, no. Okay, right. Because how much drug? It was just a little bit of drugs, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm just low level guy. Okay, great. I'll represent you. So give me 15 grand.

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And I'll represent you on the state case. Now, if it goes federal. Right. I can't help you. But I can represent you. But obviously, you're not a big time drug dealer. No, no, no. So it'll say it's going to stay state. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. OK, give me 15 grand and I'll represent you. So your family scrapes together 15 grand.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You get 15 grand. And then he doesn't really do anything. You don't really understand why he hasn't done anything. He comes to see you once. Doesn't really talk. Doesn't see doing things. Says he's ordering documents. But really, he's holding it off and he's just waiting for it to go federal. And sure enough. A month later, boom, the feds come in and take the indictment.

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And then he goes, listen, man, bad news. I heard it went federal. You're going to have to get either. You can get a federal criminal defense attorney or you can get the public defender. The federal public defender's office will represent you. And then he says to you, well, wait a second. I gave you 15 grand. I need my 15 grand back.

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And he says, oh, no, man, you don't get that was that was like that was just that was my fee for the state. And I couldn't plead the state. Remember when I said if it goes federal, I can't help you. Right. Well, yeah, but you didn't spend 15. Yeah, you weren't paying me hourly, bro. Oh, that was my fee for representing. And I did for the last six weeks. I represented you.

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I've been doing stuff behind the scenes. You don't know how most of that money is gone. Right. But don't worry. You're going to get a federal public defender. They're very good. They always tell you they're very good.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And he'll represent you. And that's it. And so he walks away with 15 grand. And I know state attorneys that have done that. I was in prison with a guy who he was an attorney.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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His dad was an attorney and his brother was an attorney. And I remember he told me that being a criminal state attorney is a license to steal. He said, because literally he said, especially for drug dealers that are moving up the chain. Right. It's because at some point you get to clip them for 10 or 15 or $20,000, take their money and just wait for it to go federal.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And keep in mind too, the great thing about filing in the court system is you can be completely incompetent as a state or federal lawyer and file a motion and file it with the court The average drug dealer doesn't realize whether it was any good or not. They read it and they say, man, it sounds good. It sounds good.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And then it gets filed and the court responds and says, this is what the defense is saying. This is the court. This is the case law. This is this. And then the state comes in and then they answer it. At no point during that back and forth process does anybody ever say, To the court or in the motion. Right. Your Honor, this criminal defense attorney doesn't know what he's talking about.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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This case law doesn't match. This doesn't work.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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This isn't an argument. Obviously, this isn't what happened. You can't mount this defense. Right. What they do is they say the defense attorney or the defense presented this argument and this case law. Your Honor, we believe that this case law doesn't apply because they're very respectful to each other.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So the defendant who paid 15 or 20 or 30 grand for you to – never realizes you don't know what you're doing. So you know what I'm saying? You ever notice – like I've literally seen guys who will write a motion by hand or type it out, misspellings. They're complete – and this is a guy who's got a 90 IQ. Like you read it and it's practically gibberish. When the U.S.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Attorney's Office responds, you would think they were responding to – Roy Black. You would think they were a top-notch federal defense attorney. And they say, Mr. Johnson, you know, or Mr. Sheets stated this under this. He used this case law stating such and such under, you know, Johnson versus, you know, the United States government or Johnson versus Ohio. And under that, it says this.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And, you know, we disagree, Your Honor. We believe that. And they will make it sound like it. And truth is, you pulled up a case that's talking about Painting a car pink.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And registering it as red. And it could be completely ridiculous. And when they answer, it sounds legit. So if you're the defendant, you have no clue. Right. That these people are all, they're all working within a system that protects each other.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Nobody ever says, Your Honor, this guy's an idiot. He doesn't know what he's doing.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He can't. He shouldn't be a defense attorney. I can't believe that he even made this argument. It's ridiculous. Your Honor, that case has nothing to do with it. They actually respond as if it does. They just believe that their case is based on this. Right. That doesn't really apply. They never say it in a way that you or I would go. I don't think that Colby knows what he's doing.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They don't say that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But honestly, I'm probably pretty good.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, it's bad. It's bad. You'll go, and this is the thing, it drags out for, it'll drag out for a year, 18 months. So you really think you're doing something. Right. And this guy's going to bat for me.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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The truth is. You were never going to win that motion. They're going through the motions. It makes it sound like. And this guy honestly is presenting. Listen, I've seen motions filed where literally they're using the wrong defendant's name halfway through the motion where they were cutting and pasting somebody else's motion that they'd made the same argument in somebody else's case.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And they're cutting and pasting. You didn't even write this motion. This is a cut and paste.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, I understand, but at least you probably read it a few times and changed the name.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You also weren't paying 20 grand to represent yourself.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It's an industry, right? It's letting these PACs pay millions of dollars to politicians and then expecting that the politician is not going to get elected and look out for those PACs. You're telling me that the textile plants can pay me, donate $3 million to my campaign and that when I get into Congress, I'm not going to look out for that textile plant? Correct. Come on, bro. What are you doing?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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correct you're going to yeah well no i there's no quick pro quo here stop it man what am i an idiot like they should be able to they should be able to do all that they should you know and there shouldn't look there shouldn't be career politicians like you shouldn't be in politics 40 years bro so biden's overdue oh yeah they're all yeah yeah correct it's ridiculous are we are we funding a nursing home up there right

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Which is sad to make fun of him, but it's true. It is true.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like he's mumbling and shuffling.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, yeah, yeah. Nancy Pelosi. Correct. She's the best. She and her husband are the best traders of all history.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They're amazing.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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She wasted... She and her husband wasted their time being a professor and being a politician. They should have been trading. They should have been stockbrokers.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well... That might have something to do with it. She said it doesn't though. I, they have, I've seen her ask that question and she said that it's, it's absolutely not illegal.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Insider trading is not, that's absolutely not what's happening. They're just really good.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It'll work out. I'll be shocked if this video stays up.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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If my channel stays up after this, I'll be shocked.

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I mean, you might as well just remove that one. Hey, I appreciate you guys watching this video. I certainly hope nobody was offended, although I highly doubt it. But if you like the video. Please share the video because that really helps with the algorithm. Also, do me a favor and subscribe to the channel. Hit the bell to get notified.

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Please consider joining my Patreon because it really helps with videos like this that absolutely do not get monetized. And leave me a comment in the comment section. I'm trying to respond to as many comments as possible. And I really appreciate you guys watching. See ya.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They're hiding something.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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The camera's just sticking out over the... That's correct.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, that's what they're going to do. Did she ever take the information? No.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Okay. What about going to the, what about going to the, are you, where are you in the middle district of Florida?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Federal court is in Fort Myers.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, Fort Myers is middle district.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know, I know that because when I travel, if I leave because I'm on probation, if I leave the middle district of Florida, I have to get permission. So if I go to Miami, I have to get permission. But if I go to Fort Myers, I don't have to get permission.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like, did you know even Jacksonville is in the middle district? Like you would think it cut across the state.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It actually is weird. It cuts like the middle district is huge.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So, yeah. So I was going to say, yeah, that's the middle district. So what about going to did you ever submit that to the to the U.S. to the middle district U.S. attorney office? Because it's a Fed because it's federal. Right. Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, but the problem is you're asking the state to police themselves.

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And the sheriff, if you're going to become a – a prosecutor in Florida, it's nice to have all of the sheriff's support.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So then you turn around and say, hey, by the way, now I have to file a suit against you. I have to charge you, file a suit, and we have to get you fined. And you have to give us, out of your $40 million budget, we want $5 million for the fine. Correct. That's going to be a problem.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What about the FDLE? Couldn't they prosecute that law?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You might want to make a note of this. Okay.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What are some of the things you've been arrested for?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You can continue. I was just wondering, but.

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it's it's funny are you talking about your youtube channel youtube channel facebook you name it man it is unbelievable struck it down and we have the documents to prove it yeah i was gonna say it's funny how many times i've done freedom of information acts right with for people and they've they've said and this is the federal government saying like we don't have anything on this person we don't or they've sent us this just a few pages and then it's like

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Just took the channel down one day.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Okay. How can you trespass me from a public building?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So, like, if you go into a... a state building to pull, you know, whatever, a marriage certificate or something, and you're videoing, they stop you and say, what are you doing? What are you doing here?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, of course. Of course.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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okay, well, this person went to trial. There was a full investigation. They went to trial. Here's the docket sheet. You give that to the FBI. You investigated them. You didn't do a four-page investigation. There was a massive investigation and trial. And you're telling me you only have four documents. Next thing you know, they come back with 4,500 documents. And you're like,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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If you're saying you have to pay to file, there's a court fee to file?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So now you have and limit and limit people's ability to fight because if you're poor, you can't afford to do any of that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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what changed correct the fact that you realize that we have the documents is what changed that now you can say this is untrue and this is what i'm looking for and then they go oh those documents right sorry that's been happening to me for 10 years so you're i'm sure florida's yeah i'm sure florida is really bad and by the way how much did they charge you for something that big

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, they want you to put it in escrow first.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I always heard that typically they make you pay the fee. They'll put it in an escrow account. So they don't distribute the fee. Right. But they hold it and they allow you to appeal.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It doesn't matter if you're a multimillionaire.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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The 11th Circuit is the federal court.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That Florida falls in its jurisdiction.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, you would think, okay, well, part of the, most people think, well, a lot of the law work's already been done, so it should be cheaper, but really it's more expensive because they now have to go back and review all of that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Who determines that?

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So, you know what's funny is typically when I was doing that, I was incarcerated, so they weren't charging me. Interesting. Now, I have had other guys get charged. Right. There have been people that I've done and they've said, hey, we want $2,200 or we want whatever the amount is. Right. And then, of course, you can kind of go back and say, hey, I'm indigent, I this, I that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, I've heard the name.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You're the same.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. They typically shoot you down. Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Procedures. Yeah. Procedurally, they'll knock you down.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And then a lot of times they'll say, oh, okay, you're indigent. That's fine. Here's the documents. If you try and tell them it's connected to your case, whatever, a lot of times they'll go and give it to you for nothing. I've very seldomly ever paid for Freedom of Information Act, although I've done it in the Freedom of Public Records Act, which is the state. So the states have charged me.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. Absolutely.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So where, where is that? What, where did that progress to? Like you're, you're still doing it though. You still kept going. You still are continuing to go in with camp with a camera.

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What you get arrested.

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The first one. From the police department.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So how am I going to go and file reports and go to the sheriff's department? You can't ban me from. And he did. You can't. You can't. What is it? You cannot limit someone's ability to the courts or to law enforcement or to any type of public service.

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I'm sorry. You can't go to the hospital anymore. Right? It's like saying.

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$80, $110, $12, $17.

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Temple Terrace one time wanted a check for like – 60 or not 60. Yeah, it was like 60 or 70, 75 cents. They literally spent more. Oh my God. On the stamps. Correct. Mailing us back and forth. That's correct. To ask me for the 75 cents. That is sad. I had my mom write him a check for 75 cents before they would send me.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, they're trying to get you to go away.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. I figure you'll go away after the year. If at that point it's released, they'll be like, there's no reason for you to continue.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. I was going to say, they have to respond within a timely manner, which means nothing. Right. Which was a timely manner for me could be within two hours. A timely manner for somebody else could be within two years.

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It's just silly.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Did they arrest you? Or did they just trespass you and tell you to leave?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. He didn't get trespassed.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, if they want to shut you down.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But how many people even does it take to, to vote in a sheriff?

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You see what I'm saying? I mean, what's, what's so funny is I had, there was a, it wasn't counted. It was the, uh, it was a city council. So it was the city council. One time I, I backed a political candidate. Right.

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And, uh, you know, I paid, I forget like what's so funny is one thing, the whole campaign was run on like, like 30, like 28, 29,000, like this guy's entire kit. So, and that was a lot to spend on a campaign for city council. Right. Right. So, and I'd given him no, no, no, that's not true. So his whole campaign, I think was run on like 21 or 22,000 and I'd given him 14 of it.

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So let's kind of go back and figure out like, you know, from the beginning, kind of like where you were born, you know, where you were raised, like what led you to the point where you sued and had the lawsuit? Right. And you were arrested multiple times.

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Oh yeah. I got, it was a whole bribery thing. But the point is, is that he literally like, You would think, oh, well, there'd be a hundred thousand votes. No, the whole like all the votes combined were something like five thousand people voted, you know, three thousand people voted for him and three thousand people voted for the other person. And they were so close.

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They ended up having to have a runoff.

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So I'm saying for sheriff, I wonder in a county how many people actually vote for sheriff in that county.

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Yeah, a lot of people don't realize the largest employer in the nation is the federal government.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What's an Andy question?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Is this something they really, did they really say they asked an Andy question?

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Like if that's a thing, that's pretty cool.

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Right. Were you raised in Florida?

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Stingray and geo... Is Stingray the thing where they can track your cell phone or track your Wi-Fi?

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and you know and i know they secretly you know they are supposed to pull records for it right but you got you got the godlike device but it's a switch you click thank you track it right down and then you can oh if you do figure out what the person is you can then go file the the paperwork but dude it's a godlike device so you know the the main case that allows them to use that machine is connected to um uh

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brett johnson really brett johnson was on the secret services most wanted list okay so there's a that his co-defendant right was found guilty and given like i don't know what it was seven eight years or something and fought the case because he had gone to such extremes to evade capture right and couldn't figure out how they'd found him right and they had that machine and then his whole thing was they didn't pull a warrant oh

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So you basically were listening or able to monitor all of these people's.

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You're doing search. Essentially, you're doing what should require a search warrant signed off by a judge to listen to all these people's information to pinpoint where I am.

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Okay. Any reason?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But the point is that Brett Johnson, who I've had on the show a couple times, right? Right. It was his co-defendant who had taken that all the way up to the Supreme Court. Well, no, I don't think it went to the Supreme Court. Right. It was going to go to the Supreme Court. He'd been denied, denied. And what they did was he was appealing.

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And as soon as he appealed it, their fear was it would be over. They'd won.

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Hey, this is Matt Cox, and I am here with Andrew Sheets, and he is a, I'm going to say First Amendment auditor, right? Would you, what would you say?

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That they didn't need a search warrant. Right. So it was going to be he was appealing it. And their fear was he may win the appeal. If he wins the appeal, it becomes case law. We don't want that. So they went to him immediately and they said, we're letting you out of prison.

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Drop. You have to drop your cake, drop your thing. We'll file and we'll let you out. And he said, he was like, okay. Like he wanted out of prison. He'd been like two, three years. Right. And they dragged it for three years. Oh, it's, it's, he still had a few more years. He was like, just let me out.

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I'm horrible with names.

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Like how good is that system, by the way? Like how good do you think that system is?

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Okay. I mean, you were born up there. Were your parents in law enforcement?

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That maybe they're just doing it for your own good. That maybe the government is just looking out for your best interest? No. You don't think that?

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Well, no, just like you said about the guns. Yeah, exactly. Why are you tracking everybody with guns?

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Is that a real thing?

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So let me tell you, my problem is I have a guy named Chris Marrero that periodically comes on.

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And he's a... I call him a conspiracy theorist. Right. The problem with his is... I can only believe about 20% of what he says. Like, and I'll do this. My wife and I will be driving to, like, I don't know if you've driven to Orlando or, you know, you'll drive in like, or through some of these back roads, not even on the interstate, especially if you go off the back roads.

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It's really actually kind of scary.

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You go off the back roads, there will be a, and when I say massive, that's an understatement, how big these warehouses are.

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They are insanely massive. Right. And they're empty. So there's an insanely massive empty warehouse.

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Maybe they just finished it.

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But you can literally like the doors will be open. Like you can see right through it. You're like, there's nothing there. Right. The parking lot, it's empty. And this thing is huge. It's huge. And you look at it and you're like, that is the size of 20 or 30 cars. Home depots. Right. You know, you could put four or five stadiums in that thing. It's so huge. Then you drive down the street.

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There's another one. There's another one. You drive, you turn two minutes later. There's two of them. There's another one. So I'll pull out my phone and video them and send these little 20-second or 10-second videos to Chris because I already know what Chris's theory is.

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Chris's theory is FEMA is building them because someday when FEMA decides they're going to put – our entire population will be funneled into those.

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He, and I'm sitting, I'm like, Chris, what's going on with these?

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I've seen, and I'll do, I'll just say, boom, boom. I'm like, there's like, we passed like eight of them in the last 20 minutes. Chris, what's going on? He's like, oh my God. And then for the next four days, I'll get nothing but video TikToks.

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In shorts about FEMA camps and FEMA's ultimate plan to limit the population of the world population so that we can function and live off of sustained energy. I mean, it's the point is, is that so the data thing.

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He sent me videos about it.

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Like I said, some of them, I'm just like, stop it. Is that true? It's like, I don't know if it's true. Because the editing on these things, the crazy people and the sane people, apparently they have the same editors because they're so good that I'm like, I don't know. Did we come from Anunnaki? Are we from aliens? Was there another massive civilization before us? I don't know.

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The editing is pretty good. It's pretty convincing. So, yeah. So, I hear you. So, when you said that, I'm like, is that really a thing?

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Listen, and a lot of them, obviously, they are building for Amazon. Yeah, absolutely. And everything is shifting that way.

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And I hate that. Right. But I also order most of my stuff off of Amazon. Yes, same for me. You know, and I sold those bastards.

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But then again, I'm waiting for a delivery.

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So you could see my, I'm torn.

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Listen, it's so bad. I don't have a car. I sold my car about four months ago because I stopped driving it because I ordered everything off of Amazon or my wife just picks it up at the supermarket on her way home from work. How are you getting around? I don't. I don't have to leave anymore. I do this.

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Right. Why would I pay 600 and change for a vehicle? That's the vehicle I don't drive.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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On an asset that's depreciating.

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I just sold it about four months ago, and all that did, honestly, was things that I order, like these, I don't go to the store to buy these. I just order the cases.

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And the thing is, and I know they're building in the delivery price, but they don't charge me to deliver them.

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So it's like you'll order stuff that's like, I just ordered something for like $20 or $15, and they're not charging me to deliver it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Compared to what I'm ordering. That is true. But what does it matter? They've got so many vans. Listen, I feel like every 20th car is an Amazon van.

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So what's going to happen? So these things, they're filling up these things. Pretty soon, they're going to have drones just dropping. Possibly. It's going to get insane. Absolutely. We're living in the future.

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They were also, which I always love this, like I get the Nazi thing. Right. Because I do constantly think about the term, you know, papers, papers, papers.

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Why are you giving me, I'm walking down the fucking sidewalk. My wife and I are walking down the sidewalk. You pulled over. You approached me. You're asking for my papers. Why? You know, like.

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No, no. No, it hasn't. I'm saying in Nazi Germany, that was a common thing. Let me see your papers. Let me see your papers. And I see these auditors who have a body cam. Correct. Or they're walking down the side. Or they're standing there filming.

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Outside of someone's business. And the cops pull up and say, we got a phone call. I need to see your papers.

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And they're like, wait a minute. I'm on a... Public sidewalk. We're videoing.

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Yes, but the owner of this building says you're making them feel uncomfortable.

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Well... I like the Candace Owens comment. Get a helmet, dude. Life's tough.

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I'm not giving you my papers because I happen to be filming. I'm allowed to film.

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You have a video camera. They have a video camera.

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The bank has one. There's one on that part. Yeah, there's one here. There's one there. Everybody's got a camera. Correct. So it bothers me that that could happen, that I could be – The other problem is, too, I'm extremely compliant. I'm in such a tentative situation that if you – we were walking down the sidewalk.

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feel like i was like i i feel like i was because i felt like i had it handled right like oh that's fine like i was listen i was doing so much dirt on the side right the last thing i want to do is get into a pissing contest with some cop asking for like i'm you know but if i have nothing if i was genuinely if i was a school teacher right and i have nothing to hide

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and I'm in my driveway or I'm walking my dog and you pulled up and said, hey man, I need to see your ID, I would probably be offended. Like I'm walking my dog in my neighborhood. Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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you why i just need to identify you why right but you watch these videos and the cops were like because i asked you to because and they get all aggressive and it's like whoa right away i think you shouldn't have a badge bro correct you shouldn't be policing that you shouldn't be policing anybody i agree with that so but back to back to the data center so data center is that what you

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Oh, they studied... It was the black shirts in Italy. It was Mussolini, right? And America. And America? And America. Well, I know that initially... Initially... Boy, you're going to have to bleep out some stuff.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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This is happening. Here's what's funny. Nobody studies this. Kids between the ages of, let's say, 15. Well, what's my demographic? It's between age 25 and 55, right? Or 45. Interesting. So here's the thing. Most people, with the exception of probably the older generation. So let's say between... Between the age of 15 and let's say 45. Right.

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They don't know anything about, they couldn't tell you when or why World War II started, World War I started, World War II started. They couldn't tell you. Do you ever watch those videos where they just stop and ask random 20-year-olds questions?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It's horrendous. It's embarrassing.

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And they sit there, they giggle and they laugh and they walk off and they feel, that person, I'm sorry, that person's vote does not, Does not count, should not count as much as mine.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And there are numbers.

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So my point is that, you know, initially Hitler was a huge admirer of people in the United States. Right. And a lot of people don't understand, too, about the whole, you know, the Jewish issue, right? Jewish issue.

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Is that... nazi germany gave the us and and multiple other countries the option of taking in that is correct jews and they said no like they didn't want them so but when they rewrote history it's like we were shocked when we found these camps you know what they were doing to the jews it's like wait You knew what they were doing.

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You knew that. You knew why these vessels were coming over here. You knew that people were fleeing. They were telling you what was happening. You were fully aware of what was happening. That is correct. You just weren't concerned.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And so they rewrote and twisted the history. Correct. Just enough to make it look like we were concerned and that we were shocked when we found out this was happening.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, Henry Ford.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And you know what's funny? I don't know if they have them where you are, but you know there's Ford's restaurant, right?

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They've got all these pictures of Ford. Ford bought a newspaper. And ran the newspaper and ran a weekly column called the International – Yes, he did. Was it International Jew or International Semite or something?

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Like he was adamant that there was a cabal or something of a Jewish – Population that was controlling the banks and narrative and he hit and Hitler actually had a photograph of Henry Ford on his debt credenza and and Henry Ford had one of Adolf Hitler and Henry Ford got the highest.

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um medal ever issued to a non-military person from that yeah it was like the highest rank you could get for being not someone who's in the military it was like an award that they had given henry ford also he would had factories in germany right was building german um vehicles right and And after World War II, sued the U.S. government for bombing his facilities.

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He was on the cover of Time Magazine. Unbelievable, dude. Hitler was Time Magazine's man of the year. Yep. Like we thought he was amazing for years. That is correct. He had turned the entire economy around. Yes, he did. He was giving people jobs. He'd done all these amazing things, right? Right. And here's what bothers me is that this is cancel culture.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You cannot say one positive thing about somebody if they've done something wrong. And not that Hitler wasn't, and honestly, not that he wasn't an atrocious individual and what they did wasn't atrocious. Correct. But- The world loved him.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Up until World War, he started World War II. Correct. Then he became this horrible, horrible human being. Not that he wasn't all the time. Right. The whole time. But he never lied about it. Right. He put out a bestselling book, Mind Call. Yes, he did. And told everybody, these are the horrible things that I believe. And people were like.

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Yeah. It's, it's, it's insane. I mean, listen, of course, you know, what he ultimately did was just absolute, absolute insanity. Correct. Yeah. He was, he was, and he was a drug addict. Like people don't realize he, he had a full time. He has a full time drug dealer who's giving him shots to go to bed, giving him shots to wake up, giving him shots.

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Yeah. It's, if you look at this stuff, plus what, that was another thing. Listen, I watch a lot of World War II videos. Because you don't want to repeat history, right? Oh, I absolutely agree that you have to remember history. The problem is, one, sometimes they rewrite it. That is correct. Sometimes they rewrite it, and then they rewrite it again. But, what? Do you understand what I'm saying?

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Sometimes they rewrite it once, and then as things, once it becomes popular, they rewrite it, twist it a little bit more, and then it becomes okay again.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, here, what about this? What about... I always love... I love this, that...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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wokeness has gone so far they're bringing back segregation literally like you're literally saying like that they want to be that they want to be that certain races should be segregated it's unbelievable like that's how far they've gone it's like what do you realize you've gone so left you're now going you've swung the pendulum around now blacks want to be segregated right here they complained about it and now they want to do it so i it's

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This video is going nowhere.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'm sorry. Did all this happen in Michigan before you came here?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Freedom of information.

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I got about this much stuff on me. Ooh. Yeah. I'm not a good person.

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And again, listen, we have we did a video on a guy on a sheriff's deputy who worked in the in the jail. And they called him out of the jail because he's a street guy. He's like, I grew up near the project. I'm a street. He's like, you know, so if you're a if you're a even if you're a black guy who's up who was raised upper middle class.

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You can't put him in the street and have him act like a drug dealer. Right. He just can't pull it off. Doesn't matter how good of an actor they can look at him. And in two minutes, they're like, yeah, right now.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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no correct so but this guy was uh his name was uh um ray hicks okay they pull him out of the jail he's sheriff's uh deputy and they they have him doing control buys right like acting as a as a drug dealer so he's acting as a as a drug addict or drug dealer hate it people are pulling up they're buying stuff selling stuff the point is is he's doing it with other officers

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He realizes after doing it multiple times that the other officers are actually stealing money from the people they're arresting.

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He's like – and then sometimes he's like they're actually – guys would take off running. They'd chase them down. He's like they'd beat them up. Like they'd really beat on them. He's like, hey, what are you doing?

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So he starts complaining about this.

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And eventually he ends up making the comment, you guys are as bad as the guys were arrested. Y'all should be in jail.

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And they said, Ray, you can't work out here with us anymore. You're going back to the jail. He said, I don't care. Wow. Put him back in the jail. A few months later, they name him in a federal indictment, and they come, raid his house. Dude. They end up, they raid his house. They indict him. They raid his house. They arrest him. He's kept in the shoe for something like four or five months.

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His lawyers are all telling him, like, plead guilty.

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Oh, special housing. It's the hole.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So he ends up fighting the case.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He wins at trial against the federal government. Right. So they basically named him in an ongoing task force investigation. They just put him in there.

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Because he's a police officer. And they said, these guys that are all selling drugs, they're getting their information from him. Right. He ran all their names and he's been helping them. And he but the truth is they couldn't prove any of that. And they are all found not guilty.

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Like they were actually like he worked out with a bunch of guys.

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He's actually invited. They indicted everybody. Said we were a drug dealer. He is, even though a lot of the drug transactions, I was actually at work.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So we could prove that.

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Point is, is that they find him not guilty. Few months later.

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They arrest him again on another charge. He goes to trial. Wow. Not guilty. Few months later, they arrest him again. Completely different charge. This is Broward County. Right. This time, the district or the. Yeah, district attorney looks at this stuff, looks at all these other cases and goes, yeah, and just says, I'm not doing this. And I don't know what's going on with you guys.

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And just throws it out. But, yeah, I remember I asked him. I said, tell me you don't still live in Broward County. He said, why wouldn't I? And to me, I'm moving. Wow. Like, if it was you, like, I'm leaving.

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Well, they're actively investigating you right now. You don't even know what it's for. That's where we were.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That's my fear. You said they would have a three- or four-year investigation. They won't even tell you what the investigation is about.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And I was trying to use worry as an example. I'm like, listen, bro, this is what they'll do.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like, don't get too cocky.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And you know, you can't go to South Carolina. Why is that? Because of Rogue Nation. Like, they're obviously... Yes. They're obviously already mounting a campaign against it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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How is holding a sign causing irreparable harm?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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In the statute- What are the kids' names?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So you have to have a victim. What's the victim's name?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, okay. What scumbags.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What I'm wondering is, so the court, so when you went in front of a real judge, he threw it out.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Did you get hit for having an illegal sign? You get fined for.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You have to have a permit to have a sign.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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The building is actually the one, the owner of the building is the one who's actually has the sign.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, so they can't get you for graffiti?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I have a neighbor that has a projection of, it's a spider that goes up the side of, because it's Halloween.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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The spider, spider. So they could, if they could do that, then they could go find them for having a spider. If they were allowed to do it for the projection.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Because it's temporary.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yes, absolutely.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I don't know why you're having so much problems.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It's a license to steal.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It was- In forever.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah. He's supposed to, obviously he's supposed to be representing your rights.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, they, oh, okay.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I mean, not based on my experience.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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In the future- Yes. You might want to mention this because although clearly you're not concerned about offending anyone, but if you would like to get some people on your side, so it's always good to have some people on your side since I understand that you're going across the spectrum of being offensive. But let's say you wanted to have some people rooting for you.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I would start by saying, It was just to remind people, because I think we both know people are not smart.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Is that by having your sign at the exit of the school means that parents have dropped off their children. Thank you. And are exiting. So they have to see you and your sign, but there are no kids in the car. So you're not doing this to show this to children. You just want to be able to have a captive audience.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Just thought I'd point it out there because I remember when I read your thing, I was thinking, oh, man, this is bad. And I asked you, bro, what's up with it? And then you came out. You go, oh, no, no, no, no. No, I wasn't at the entrance. It was the exit. I was the exit. Kids are dropped off. Correct. So, okay. Sorry.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Why do you feel like he was targeting you, though? Was it just you or just all neighbors? He's just a complete terror to everybody.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'm thinking that you eliminated their incentive.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, I mean, I'll be shocked if this video makes it this far. But Colby, so in World War II, before Hitler was essentially elected, you know, he wasn't really elected, but he was given a position.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, he was given a position. And then the... The chancellor actually – well, they made him chancellor. Like they voted – not voted, but he was permitted. But a lot of Nazis were voted into power, right?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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During – tons of them. So they had a consensus.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And then they started gobbling up these other parties because there was half – or a couple dozen parties actually in their – like their congress, right? Yeah. And so they started gobbling up these other people. And then, so they ended up with like a majority. And then they, that the chancellor ends up making or appointing Hitler chancellor. So now he's chancellor.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Then this guy ends up dying, may have been poisoned. Of course, you know, There's never no proof, but anyway, he ends up, so he ends up becoming, you know, the Fuhrer. So anyway, the point is, is that prior to all of that, he was simply running the Nazi party, the, what are they called? The socialist, the socialist party, right?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So he was running this party, but he had his own like police force, right? Yes, he did. He has his own private police force. And the brown shirts, though.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He had the brown shirts. And what the brown shirts would do was any of his opponents, they would go in to their political parties when they're having, I want to say concerts, but speeches or whatever. They would go in there and they would beat people up. They would scream and holler and yell insults. They would threaten people. They would basically get these things shut down.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And we're going to do an interview and he's got 10 years worth of stuff to talk about and check out the interview. How did we end up... I ended up doing Rogue Nation. That is correct. And did Rogue Nation connect me with you?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They would start street fights. They would go around and take people's signs down. If you, they would go to where they would be up, you know, protesting or maybe even just campaigning for other people. They would go and literally beat them up, take the signs down, beat them up. And I don't mean like, we're not talking about like take the sign and run.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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We're talking about these guys are, they're thugs and they all wore Brown shirts. That's right. In Italy, Mussolini had the black shirts and,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So he went with the brown shirts. Okay, he had to be different. The black shirts and Mussolini had the black. And Hitler really idolized Mussolini because they literally, Mussolini and his party, basically, they led a march into the capital and scared them so bad that they basically, the government said, okay, fine, you guys can be government. And they stepped down.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And that's what Hitler thought was going to happen. They actually shot him or shot at him and shot several people.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He went ended up going to prison, got out of prison, started the whole process again and actually just wrote a book. Yeah. Wrote a book in the store. But he had the brown shirts. That's why he's saying the brown shirts. They're acting like brown shirts. They're beating people up that they don't like. They're stopping people from being able to picket or advertise or protest or do anything.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And then they're going out of their way to also, we need to talk about what happened with your business. Correct. If you want.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So, yeah, they're really going after people that they don't like.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right, so that's why, that's the reference to the brown shirts.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I was just, I was gonna wait for you, I was just gonna say. They killed their opponents, man. Well, no, but Hitler, Hitler actually, so the brown shirts were thugs, okay? They served a purpose, but then Hitler was, he was made chancellor, and now he's running Germany. And the problem with the brown shirts and the military, the military didn't like the brown shirts. They were thugs.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They weren't disciplined. And so Hitler, they put together the night of, they call it the night of the long knives. And Hitler has, who did he have that went in and killed off?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I forget the guy's name, Ernest, somebody who was running the brown shirts for Hitler.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He has him arrested and given a gun, and they tell him to shoot himself, to shoot him. He can shoot himself. Anyway, the point is that Hitler, the brown shirts who helped get Hitler elected... There comes the night of the long lives. Hitler and his henchmen put this together, and they basically execute like a thousand of these guys. Yep.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And one night they go in, they start killing them all off because you're thugs. And now I'm official, and I'm now the chancellor. And we have to do – we have to look very official, and we have to be about – we have to be – You know, there's we can't be thugs anymore. You don't fit into the narrative that our future narrative of what we want for the party. Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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We're just going to have you killed.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So they kill off. So the people that helped get Hitler where he was, he then has them all start to have them all killed off. Whoever couldn't be absorbed into the military. So yeah, not a nice person. Correct. I agree. Not a man of the year. Not a time man of the year.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Honestly, when you've described the whole situation. Right. Unpalatable, I agree. Upsetting to people, but in the end, it's free speech. I get it. Listen, I understand saying, hey, I don't want this guy doing this near my school. The kids might be able to see it. It's distasteful. It's all of these things. But in the end, if that was happening in front of my house, I would think, hey,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What are you doing? You're being a jerk. Why are you doing this here? Can't you go somewhere else? Can't you? I get it. Correct. But in the end, if someone were to say, hey, man, you want us to just grab him and do this? I'd be like, in the end, I don't have to like free speech. Correct. I don't have to be. I can be offended by what you're saying.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But that doesn't mean that you don't have the right to say it. And what bothers me. Well, not what bothers me, but what keeps me from saying, hey, he needs to be stopped is this, is that when I go to say something that you're offended by – Right. And listen, people get offended from almost nothing now.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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then I don't want you to stop me.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So, so, but that's just, but the problem is that's not the culture. Now the culture. Now what they don't realize is shut it down is that it is, it really is turning into, you know, a, it's a police state. It's Nazi Germany. It is in the Nazi Germany. And then, you know, in the,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. And the 19, you know, from whatever, 36 to whatever. Right. It really, it really is that. It is. And people don't realize it at all. They don't, because they don't understand history. Correct. They barely teach it. People don't, they're passing kids for, that know nothing.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They're, they, you know, it, when we've already talked about this, but it is horrific and nobody wants to be offended. Right. Correct. And nobody wants to allow someone else's opinion. Correct. And they don't seem to have critical thinking anymore where now everybody seems to think that everything revolves around them.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Your opinion is the most important and they can't seem to admit that they're wrong. Like I meet people all the time that you can lay out exactly why they're wrong with statistics, with everything, and they refuse to see it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They won't accept it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And then you realize, like, you're delusional. That's correct. And it's not a few people. It's the majority now. Right. And so, yeah. So although I would never do what you did. Right. And, you know, I would prefer it not to be there. But I wouldn't say, hey, you need to arrest this guy. Everybody ever notice that with everybody now? They're like, that guy needs to be in prison.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Think about what you're saying. That's correct. You want me to respect your opinion. You don't want to respect my opinion.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. Exactly. They have free speech. And not only that, they want their free speech. They want it enforced by law.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like that's really messed up.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He figured they would drop the case probably.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You have the video. We have the video.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What is that? With what?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That it was a protest.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You can't limit where you can protest.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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In a public space.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. Most people don't do that because they think it's, it's, you know, arduous and, and, you know, cumbersome and time consuming. And the truth is, is that most of the time it's, it's the documents you send in. I've loved the stuff I would send in. It's literally, it's one page and 80% of it is, is just a, is already filled out.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So when you say pop me, you mean they violated your probation? They came and arrested you? Twice.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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How much did you actually bond out? So here's another- It's a probation violation. Yes. You have to go in front of the judge.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So it's like, you know, this date, this, this person, this, this, this, like, it's literally a paragraph that I'm requesting, send it in and you get back a bunch of stuff like they're sometimes they'll come back clarify like did you want this also or this and some of the places are super um some of the counties are are super um you know, they'll reach out to you.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So you have to do 30 days.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, but... Yeah, I mean, I agree. The problem is that those officers are working with other corrupt officers, so they basically have to keep that quiet. It's like they don't want to come out and support you because there's other guys that hate you.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They'll call it like, it's almost like terrorism. They consider it terrorism.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They'll clarify like exactly what we also have this. Did you want that?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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OK, I was going to say, yeah, because they have a law that because, you know, a lot of sovereign citizens will sue.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And there's a law that these guys will get charged for filing a lawsuit against the judge.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That's what I'm saying, that like they act like they're terrorists or that it's some kind of like it's like paper terrorism or something.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like they're very communicative, right? Right. And then other ones, we don't know what you're talking about.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What are you talking about? It's this police report. Here's the report. Here's this. We have nothing on that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You send them a copy of it and then they'll send you like a copy of it back. That is correct. I want the video. I want this.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, it's, yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But they'd probably given you everything, right, initially?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They denied it?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. Because what am I going to appeal if you just say it stands? Well, then what am I appealing?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Is this a criminal case?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So, I mean, you have, so you're talking about filing a 2255, right? I don't know the number on it. But you know, you only have like one year.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, you have two. So here's what's interesting too with the civil rights case. I was going to say for criminal, you only, you typically have one year.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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This is what's interesting. It must be civil. It must be something's wrong because it's one year in criminal.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I mean, if it's a felony.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What was the phone call? I don't understand.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Okay, this- Freedom of Information Act.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That's assuming that you are absolutely guilty just because you were arrested.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So that could be anything. That could be the knife you use to cut your bread or scissors.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And he didn't have knives in his drawers?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Is this the collection of data? No, I don't know.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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All right. Yeah, cool. And then... Okay. So, and then you sent me a bunch of stuff. That is correct. About the lawsuit and getting arrested, the lawsuit, the whole freedom of speech lawsuit. And we'll get into that. But so basically, so why do you feel like you're not, do you feel like you're not a First Amendment person?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So that's it. And then you sent me an email.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, no, I'm saying so that's where you are right now in your case.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And then at that point, you sent me an email and said, we need to have a conversation.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I saw somebody else here.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Are you going to start your YouTube channel again? Or do you still have it?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, are we gonna get struck?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What about the congressman that pulled the fire alarm and said, dude, I wasn't trying to delay anything.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I was trying to delay anything.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Come on. I thought it opened the door. Like, wow, then you're too stupid to be in Congress. Or you're basically perfectly perfect to be in Congress.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Listen, I knew a guy that was in jail.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I knew a guy that was in jail for saying that Palestine was an open air concentration camp. And so the FBI came. Yeah, that's all he said. And so the FBI came to talk to him. And when they were talking to him, they said, have you ever made any radical statements? He said, no. And they said – and they charged him for lying to an FBI agent because they said what he said was a radical statement.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And his lawyer was like, you can go to trial, but imagine what they're going to – like he had all these videos that he had done saying just – like look at all the insane videos that you've got. Or you can take three years of probation. I mean three years in prison. And so he took three years for lying to an FBI agent. Oh. Yeah. Now, granted, listen, he was a white guy that had converted to Islam.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He had a beard.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He made a bunch of YouTube stuff, and he was always preaching about Islam. Right. And so he had said that Palestine was an open-air concentration camp.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So if you looked at him, he looked insane. Right. And they were like – and he said – he did – he had these – He didn't say anything that was crazy, but he was constantly, you know, talking about Israel and just, you know, just just Arab Israeli conflicts and things that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And that but that they took that one statement.

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and said charged him and his fear was that if he went to trial he would lose and he might end up getting like 10 years or something i forget what it was so he took like three years he took three years uh and i yeah i met him in prison right i tried to get him on the channel right he he he won't do and by the way once he got arrested he then converted to something by the way this is his third or fourth conversion oh my god this is a guy that was super smart but he's lost

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You're super smart. You're just kind of a lost soul. Right. And so at one point for two or three years, he's like a Buddhist. And then he becomes interesting, switches to something else. And then it became Islam. And then he switched to, you know, he's an Odinist.

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And then he's something else. It's like, you know, how do you go from being an Odinist? From Islam to being an Odinist to being like, he's just like one end of the spectrum to the other. Right. But yeah, he was just, you know, and once again, that's a very subjective thing to say, hey, that's a radical statement. And as a result of that, you lied to the FBI.

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Like, honestly, that means that you could say to me, you know, so how are you doing today? I'm doing okay. Right. The truth is he was behind on his bills. He was being evicted. He and his girlfriend had broken up. He wasn't doing well. So he lied to the FBI when he said he was doing fine.

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Charge him. Go to prison.

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It's a tough situation. It's a tough... Being alive today, unless you work at... Unless you work at Walmart 40 hours a week.

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And you have a pretty set schedule. And you have... And you're... You're married, although I hate to say you're married because then you're part of the establishment and maybe you're even a part of the patriarchy. So let's just say you're living with your baby's mama. So you work 40 hours a week. She works 40 hours a week. You have a kid. The grandparents who are retired take care of the kid.

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You work. You live in a three-bedroom, two-bath in a lower to middle-class area. And you drive and make all your payment. Unless you fit into that very narrow segment of society.

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How? I mean, I see people doing it all the time.

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You have a hard time in today's day and age kind of navigating just social media and just being a human being. If you fall outside of those parameters, you run the risk of upsetting someone and becoming an issue for the establishment and getting in trouble. They really do just want workers that go to work, come home, take the official vacations.

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Tote the party line.

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And don't step out of line. Right. Don't complain. Don't step out of line. Don't say anything offensive to anybody. And as a result, you'll get through life. It's not a hard formula. To be honest, it's not a hard formula. It just does crush your soul.

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Or is this not in your county? Is this just your county? And how is that going to pass mustard if it gets all the way up to the Florida Supreme Court?

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I mean, I'm going out on my knees, to be honest.

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They let me know, you're not that guy. And now I know I'm not that guy. So now I'm just doing this. And this is a modest protest. This is modestly protesting within the... That's interesting. It's, you know...

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i'm not i'm what i what prison taught me is did you hear me say prison like i went prison what prison taught me was i'm not a gangster right like i'm not a tough gangsters in there not after 12 or 14 15 years they're not they walk out like sheep right you know unless you want to just go back right so i just to me i realized like listen you better figure out a way to make a living right

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Just being who you are and just being able to talk like I got lucky in this platform, which didn't exist prior to prison. This platform now allows me to basically just interview people that I think are interesting and have interesting stories and put it on YouTube. And luckily, it's been doing well. I have pushed the edge of the envelope a few times recently. Right.

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i would say this is one of those times right where i have someone on on that that youtube might be going like you were doing so well and i'm hoping that this is not this doesn't do that too much although i've never seen colby rub his head this much like it's not the entire this entire i'm gonna have to delete half of this this entire interview colby has had his hand on his forehead a few times it's he's done this did you show him any of the protests

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No, but we'll show.

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Maybe we have to look at it because I don't know. I already sent you one of them, right? No, no, I know. But I mean, put it on the back of.

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So a lot of times we'll put somebody's video.

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But just like, look, just like I talked about the kid that got punched by the warden.

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So every video out there where they've shown that it's gotten now all the, what they've typically done is just showed the video, right? I actually have an interview with the kid that got punched.

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That video. If you look at our, if you look at our analytics, the line does this. Straight up to like 5,000, right? We're talking about like the same day, 5,000. And then suddenly it almost flatlines. And in the last week, it's gotten like 800 views. That's weird because it was like two out of 10. It was like the top of the last 10 videos. It was like number two out of the top 10.

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And then it, so it went, whoop. And then it went, boo. So something happened. Right. Where, and you know, and we did talk about.

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I don't think so. I mean, I, no, listen, 95% of everybody that makes a comment on that video has been, um, that, that warden should be fired. That warden should be thrown in jail. That guy should be, he shouldn't be in, in, you know, imagine what he's doing to the inmates that are in prison or under his, under his care, you know, like they were just butchering him.

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One or two people are like, Oh, you mouthed off to the guy and you got, you, you, you messed around and found out, you know,

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there's always some asshole out there i hate that thing somebody who thinks somebody there's always some jerk off who thinks oh you look cockeyed at the guy and he punched you in the face that's okay no it's not okay it's not okay you know you don't get to punch me in the face that's correct and that means that basically now you're offending me by saying that do i get to attack you

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And that's the problem is that these guys, people aren't smart enough to understand what is a legitimate reaction to being offended.

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And violence isn't that.

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So regardless, that video, which I thought was going to do amazing.

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It's literally flatlined. You know what's funny? All the cops that I've had on that I've talked to about this, they're like, yeah, they don't bother me. They're like, they don't bother me unless they're super rude. Some of them get in your face, they're rude, and it's like, okay, I'm still a person.

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There was a good chance I am going to be offended because you started calling me names and got in my face and started screaming and yelling at me. It was like, what are you doing, man? Right. So... But yeah, I do. I assume it's so funny as I watch those videos. I don't know. They keep coming up on my channel.

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Yeah, I'm like, well, why do they keep coming up? They keep coming up because you keep watching them. Stop it. So I'm like, stop watching these things.

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But I do every once in a while. I typically watch them until the guy is, until the First Amendment auditor is obnoxious. And then I usually click it.

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Because I'm like, I was on your side. Right. Until you became belligerent to the police officer.

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Like, don't be belligerent. Like, just say, you know, hey, I'm sorry, officer. I don't have to give you my ID.

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Like, you pulled me over for no reason. You can't tell me what I did. You can't tell me anything. Or I was sitting on the side of the road eating my sandwich in a public area.

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And you pulled up and said you want to see my ID and search my car.

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Well, I have to. I'm investigating. What?

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You know, so that sort of thing. So that that bothers me. It's once again, it's the let me see your papers, papers, papers.

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22. Speeding ticket or traffic ticket?

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Yeah, I was going to say, my mother, you know the pill cases?

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So you take your medication out. So let's say you have to take medication every day. Let's say you have three or four different pills, right? Right. And maybe you take ibuprofen too every day because you're 60-something years old. My mother would take those pills and put them in. Monday would have these four and this one and these. And so she'd have like six pills in Monday and Tuesday.

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And she'd break them up. That way, you know when you've taken your pills because it's a common problem for – Elderly people, they'll take their pills and then two hours later, they're like, that's correct.

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They get sick, whatever.

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So you put them in the days of the week. So you pop it open. You take the pills. Right now. I know. I know. Obviously, I took them. It's gone.

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So that's by every single time she opened a pill and put it into another container, she committed a felony. Every one of those is a felony. That right there, if she's taking four pills a day, that's four felonies a day. She's by taking it out of the official prescription. If you said, oh no, well, I always take them out and put them in this other pill box that's not labeled. Guess what?

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You've just committed a felony. So people every single day don't realize that There are so many laws. Yes. They want to charge you with something. They'll charge you with it.

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It's beautiful. Yeah. You'll get all kinds of stuff where his name, some guys, his name has been mentioned in this case, in this case, in this case.

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I mean, you... Yeah. Slowly. So... Here's the thing, what I always tell people, it's like, you're living in a police state. Yeah. And people, oh, no, no, I'm not. Really? Because if you get a knock at your door and you open it and there's two sheriff's deputies standing there, is your first thought, hey, do you guys want something to drink? Oh, my gosh, the police, what are you here for?

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Or do you think, Do you get a heat that shoots through your chest and think, oh, my God, what's happening right now? Like, I'm scared. Literally. I should not be afraid to see officers. If I open the door and there's two FBI agents going, boom, Agent Johnson, FBI, are you Mr. Cox? Right away, I'm going to think, oh, my God.

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That's exactly what it's going to be. Yeah, and I'm not a gangster, bro. Like, I'm going to be like, bro, yeah, that was him. I got his address.

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I got Andy's phone number. Right. I mean, I'll get him on the phone right now. What do you want me to say? Right. So, yeah, that's it. You were living in a police state.

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Oh, listen, lawyers are the worst. Lawyers are the worst.

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It's a tough call. I know, right? Look, let's face it. There are some great lawyers out there. The problem is the lawyers that really make a ton of money.

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You know, they're they're they're working within the machinery. It is machine to get a chunk of money, get you to plead guilty. Correct. But they're they're big. Their main goal is to get a chunk of money. Like there's no real very few lawyers that are out there that are saying, hey, I need to stand up for this person or that person.

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Those guys, those are the guys that basically are scraping by.

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You know, they're never going to make a ton of money. They're constantly going to take guys and regardless of the amount of money they can pay them and they're going to stick with them. I can tell you right now, I know how I can't tell you how many guys I know that pay their lawyer forty five or fifty thousand dollars, then got found. This is federal. They got found guilty, went to prison.

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That lawyer didn't answer their phone call anymore. It's like, I paid you 50 grand. I was found guilty or I pled guilty. You convinced me to plead guilty. And then I took, then I ended up getting five years and now you won't answer my call. You almost, what always happened was it was like, you won't like, you won't send me my paperwork. You don't even answer my call.

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So what they always do is you always say, you know, if you're in prison, it'd be like, great. What's the guy's name? Okay. We're going to have you write a letter. I would have him write a letter to the bar.

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And as soon as you wrote a letter to the bar, the bar would immediately, they would immediately, hey, bro, what's going on? I'm sorry. I've tried to contact you. You didn't get my letter. It's like, stop it, bro. You didn't try and contact me. Right. You just got the letter from the bar. Well, you don't have to continue with this complaint. What do you need? I'll send it to you.

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I'll send it to you. Right. Go ahead. Look, remove the complaint. Right. So we can just get rid of this and then I'll send you this stuff. No. Right. No. Send me the stuff first. Wow. Because that's something they'll do too. They'll get you to drop it. Right. And then they'll stop answering your call. Like they know how to work the system. It's, it's, I'll tell you another one.

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I've said this before. This is comical. Um, It's it's that state lawyers, guys will have a state lawyer, like I say, that a drug dealer, he sold sold some drugs. He got got pinched.

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He got probation, three years probation. Right. And then, you know, whatever. And then maybe he gets caught again. He does something else. He goes to the lawyer, whatever, got a traffic ticket, whatever. And then one day he ends up getting indicted. And there's like 12 people on the indictment. And it's like, let's say it's a there was a task force.

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Task force are typically run and operated by, along with federal law enforcement. So it's typically local counties. Right. But the guy that's kind of putting it together is typically like the DEA, FBI. They work with them.

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So there's 12 people arrested.

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And the lawyer can look at what's happened.

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And go, oh, this is going federal. So what happens, they'll look and they'll say, DEA is involved, FBI or FBI, DEA. There's this much drugs. This is definitely going federal. My guy is going federal. And you come in to him and you say, hey, will you represent me? You represented me last time.

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Ich vertrete nicht regelmäßig Verbrechen, aber wenn ich das tue, ist es Bankfraud. Bleibt glücklich, meine Freunde.

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So, I mean, so did he go somewhere else? It sounds to me like somebody who's

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And so on your channel, you go into... You actually find...

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So he would rather work construction than drive a Lamborghini?

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Ja, ja, ich würde sagen, nicht nur Verletzungen, aber ich meine, ist es nicht ein riesiges Prozent von ihnen, dass eigentlich die Leute, die in sie einsteigen, Geld verlieren? Nicht, dass sie brechen oder nicht das Geld machen, das sie gedacht hätten, sie verlieren eigentlich Geld, weil sie Produkte kaufen, die sie nicht wirklich verkaufen können.

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They paid.

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Plus, a lot of them have product.

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People still play the lottery.

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What I was saying was, despite the fact that you have almost no chance of winning the lottery, people still play. You could tell people all those statistics, but like you said, most of these people are just predisposed to, you know, think that they're gonna, it's a get, they don't think of it as a get-rich-quick scheme.

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They think that they're special and that they can do this and it's gonna, if it worked for him, it'll work for me. Yes. And they're not really laying out the all of the things that are happening and realizing it's a scam. They're just saying that guy's got a Lamborghini and he said, all I have to do is sell a little bit of product and convince other people to sell it. And that seems reasonable.

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A whole bunch of money. But the truth is, First of all, it's skeezy going to all your friends and family and trying to get them to buy $1,000 of mouthwash or shampoo or something to have them sell it so you can make money off of them. And then, of course, the products themselves, it's always like, okay, really, it's just a knockoff product.

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It's a white label for something I can buy instead of for $10, I can go buy it for $6. So when it's jacked out, I'm not even getting a good deal on the product. Auf der Bühne ist es einfach so, dass sie mir immer gejagt sind. Es ist immer so, dass es nichts gibt, unless you started the MLM, there's just no good position to be in, in the organization.

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Right. So you go in and you record them and what, like just how overt they are or, and then you kind of, do you just kind of, kind of like unpack what's really happening?

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Richtig. Nun, ich dachte an die Psychologie dahinter. Ich gebe dir ein Beispiel, als ich mich zu. Ich habe zu den Leuten ausgesprochen. Right? So I just, you know, when you get a mortgage in the US, you have to disclose to your customer, you have to explain all the different facets of the mortgage.

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So I would go and I would just, I would explain, okay, well, your interest rate is going to be, you know, 8%. And they would say 8% and oh my gosh. And I'd say, well, you know, you have some dings on your credit. You were 30 days late, you know, 18 months ago on this bill, 60 days late on this bill. Your credit score isn't great. And they were like, right, right.

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And I'd say, you know, I'd say, well, here's the thing. Those are also pretty old and they're moving away from you and they will fall off or get past the two and three year mark. So you can always refinance at that time. And so they're like, yeah, yeah, you're right, but this is what you ask them. They'll say that's expensive, but of course that's not my fault it's expensive.

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I didn't not pay your credit card. I didn't not pay your...

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um your car payment you know for 60 days so that's not my fault but i can refinance it provided you're going to repair your credit like you're going to keep paying that you've been paying things well for the last few months are you going to do you plan on continuing to pay things well what are they going to say yes of course i am going to where they're going to say no i'm a scumbag i always pay late i've always done it i will always do no

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They're going to say, of course I'm going to pay. And then I say, well, you plan on paying this mortgage on time for the next two or next three years, next year and a half at least. Of course, Matt, of course I do. So I'm asking you questions that you cannot say no to. Well, if you continue to pay your credit, your credit cards and you continue and you start paying this mortgage for the next year.

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I can refinance your house. At that time for a lower interest rate. Now, the truth and they go and of course, they're like, oh, OK, that makes sense and it does make sense. But the truth is, I know the likelihood they're going to continue to pay their bills on time is unlikely. I know this because their rent was eight hundred dollars.

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und ihre Wasserbill war 50 und ihr Elektriker war 50 und ich habe sie einfach in ein 3-Bedroom-2-Bath-Haus eingepackt, wo ihre neue Betreuungspayment 12 hundert Dollar ist und ihr Wasser wird viel teurer sein, ihr Elektriker wird viel teurer sein und sie haben eine Verwaltungsgesellschaft. Also bei 800 Dollar konntest du deine Bills nicht machen.

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Du wirst sicher nicht 16 oder 17 hundert Dollar machen können. So one, you know that I know that going in, but I also know that they can't say no to any of those questions. So I get them to agree to the higher interest rate because they have no rebuttal. That doesn't make them look bad.

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The second thing is then when you get to when I would get to the point where the interest rate is, it's a variable rate mortgage. It's going to vary. It's going to go up and down. They say, hey, wait a second. This is an ARM product, right? This says that it's not a fixed rate payment. And I say, well, it actually is a fixed rate payment for two years.

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But like we just said, we're going to refinance your house in a year. So you don't have to worry about it. It adjusting every month or so because you just told me you were going to make your payments and we were going to refinance it. And they say, oh, that's right. That's right. What are they going to say? Yeah, but we were lying and we're probably not going to. And what if we screw up?

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And so, you know, the psychology behind it is when you keep pitching people over and over again, you get a real feel for it. for who you're talking to. And I used to be able to know when someone would walk in to my office and I would start to take an application on them. One of the questions I would ask was this. So how much money do you make?

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And you know, some people would say I make $15 an hour. Some people would say I make 3000 Dollar pro Monat. Einige Leute würden sagen, ich mache 60.000 Dollar pro Jahr. Nun, der Kerl, der sagt, ich mache 15 Dollar pro Stunde, hat fast immer schlechte Kredite. Er hatte schlechte Kredite, weil das ein Kerl ist, der nicht denkt, dass er einen täglichen Wagen übernimmt.

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Der Kerl, der 3000 Euro pro Monat gemacht hat, er könnte 50-50 sein. Der Kerl, der sagt, ich mache sixty five or seventy thousand dollars a year, he's probably got pretty good credit. So there were you know, you get to know so I can see people raising their hand in the in the pitch. Saying certain things and they already have these perfect rebuttals.

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And the people at the top, they're making their money off of selling you on selling your friends and your family and those friends and family selling their friends and family. And so it's all getting trickled up. So it's only one or two people at the very top making anything. Everybody else was basically losing.

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So these people are when they walk in that room, you're doomed. Like you can't you can't. Being a battle of the wits with a seasoned con man when you have no experience. So the people that walk in those rooms, you know, luckily you had an intuition. You felt like something was off. You grabbed your cell phone. Most people don't do that.

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A lot of people, just like you said, you know, he leaned into it. He was excited. He wanted to be rich. Everybody's driving a Lamborghini. They promised me.

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Yeah, I have no doubt about that. Oh man, I had something I was going to tell you too. I didn't want to interrupt you. Damn it.

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I was thinking about Grant Cardone and doing the whole... Telling everybody that if they didn't make 400,000, they were a loser. And, you know, he says so many just ridiculous things.

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It's, it's, it's like, you know, like, I always love that he's, he does this whole thing on how not to own a house, how you shouldn't own your own house and you should rent and you should this and it was like, it's like, okay, well, don't you sell houses?

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Eine der Dinge, die du tust, ist, Apartment-Komplexe zu kaufen und Menschen zu helfen, Apartment zu kaufen, Menschen zu helfen, Häuser zu kaufen, sie zu fixieren und sie zu verkaufen. Zu was? Suckers? Er ist so gruselig, offensiv und kontradiktorisch zu dem, was er tut. Es tötet mich. Hold on.

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I also remember I have somebody. When you mentioned the business opportunity, I was locked up with a guy who did a business opportunity scam. Okay. Very interesting scam. The psychology behind this guy, it was baffling. He was amazingly good at sales.

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And it was the same types of things where, you know, he would disclose, you know, listen, when I walked into a room to disclose to somebody, I already had all the places you needed to have highlighted, highlighted with a sticker. I kept my hand over the document the whole time and I very quickly explained what you were signing and I kept poking at the page, you know, I checked my watch.

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And I kept telling them that what they were signing wasn't, you know, this isn't the final product. The final product that you will be signing is at closing. And you'll be able to review all those documents at closing. This is just a disclosure to let you know that I did tell you what, you know, what you were going to be signing when you get to closing. So this doesn't mean anything.

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You know, you keep telling them that doesn't mean anything. The truth in lending doesn't mean anything. These are just documents for the state. You have to sign them for the federal government. You just got to sign. No big deal. Here, sign here. This says that I didn't make you get your homeowners insurance from where you got it, right? Like I didn't tell you you had to go to State Farm.

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You went to Allstate. They seem very benign. You make everything sound very benign. And they sign and they sign and they sign. Then, of course, they go to closing and they get a stack of documents für ihren Betrag, der zwölf Seiten lang ist, Fine Print. Sie werden das nicht lesen. Weißt du, wie es war, es gab so viele Dinge, die so war.

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Und es war das gleiche mit dem Business Opportunity Scam, das ich dir erzählt habe, über den, äh, diesen Mann. Und, weißt du, das große Ding ist auch, dass sie, ich weiß, weil ich, ich habe gesprochen, ähm, ich, ich, ich, ich, ich, ich, ich, ich, ich, ich, ich, ich, ich, Wait, why am I saying his name wrong? Wynette. Wynette, Mike Wynette. You know, it's the same thing.

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It's that, you know, they do, they blame you. If you're not successful, it's because of you. You know, but you're having me sell an inferior product for double what I should be selling it for. You know, door to door. Like it's the whole system is rigged. It's just stupid. And I had to put up several thousand dollars to get to this point.

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And I have to sell it higher and convince the people I'm selling it to for them to turn around and sell it.

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Nothing like that?

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Right. My sales are now based off of the starter kits.

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I mean, it would probably be Sales.

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Richtig.

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Yeah, well, their sales are based off of recruiting, not sales. They don't care what the product is.

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I wonder what the closing ratio is when they get a group together.

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If you are constantly 200 a day, how many did she get after 200 a day?

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Ich, also ich habe, ich erinnere mich, was ich dir sagen wollte, war, ich, ähm, ich arbeitete als ein Skammer-Con-Mann für Vice TV auf einer Serie, die sie machten. Und sie gaben, sie waren diese kleinen drei Minuten Videos. Und ich möchte sagen, zwei der Menschen waren, waren Immigranten.

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So they didn't understand that the IRS wouldn't call you and tell you to go to Walmart and get four different. Walmart credit cards for a thousand dollars and call and give them the numbers like they didn't understand that wasn't that wasn't how it worked. Another one of the scams was. What was it? Oh, that someone had called, they called and said his mother was in a car accident.

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People reach out to you and stuff, like after you've posted videos and...

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She needed surgery. She was at the hospital. She needed surgery. Or she was going to die. Like there was just no way to save her, but they couldn't do the surgery unless he had a credit card. And then they ended up finding out, figuring out how much was on the credit card. Und er hatte so eine 30.000-Dollar-Limit auf seiner Kreditkarte.

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Und er hat tatsächlich die Kreditkartenfirma, sie haben ihn für die ganze 30.000 gekauft. Und er hatte tatsächlich die Kreditkartenfirma, die hat ihn angerufen und überprüft, bist du sicher, das bist du? Wie alles. Er war so, absolut, ja, nein, ich muss dafür bezahlen. Und sie haben es durchgemacht. Und ich vergesse, was der dritte war. Können Sie einfach seine Mutter anrufen?

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Das war die ganze Sache. Es war so eine rutschige Sache. Er hat einfach nie mit seiner Mutter gesprochen. Aber hör mal, ich verstehe es. Das Problem war, dass ich mich während dieses Interviews erinnere an den Mann, der der Produzent war, der mich fragte, was ich von diesen Leuten denke. Viele Leute denken, dass man es verdient, wenn man so gescammt wird. Was ist deine Meinung?

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Und du hast mir etwas erwähnt, was war, dass die Leute krank werden. Die Leute, Dinge passieren aus der Blüte. Und ich erinnere mich, dass das Problem ist, dass viele Leute denken, oh, du musst dumm sein. Aber die Wahrheit ist, dass die meisten Menschen, die gescammt werden, nicht dumm sind. You know, like if it makes sense. In those cases, those people didn't know how the system worked.

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Right, so they know that, look, if you go to the hospital and you need a surgery, they're going to do the surgery. They're not going to call you and say, if somebody doesn't pay for it, we're going to let you bleed to death. That's not going to happen in the United States. They're going to give you the surgery. They're going to bill you later. They're going to come after you for the money.

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They're going to put a lien on your house. But the truth is, they are going to do the surgery. Das selbe mit der IRS. Sie wussten nicht, wie die IRS funktioniert. Diese Leute waren nicht dumm, sie waren einfach unbefugt. Sie verletzten das Verständnis, wie das System funktioniert. Aber die meisten Leute, die verletzt werden, sind nicht dumm.

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Was passiert, ist, dass sie, wie du gesagt hast, predisposiert sind. Und viele Male, wenn die Verletzung, jetzt spreche ich nicht von einem MLM, ich spreche nur von normalen Verletzungen. If the scam makes sense, doctors, lawyers, investors, people with money, people that own their own companies will invest hundreds of thousands, if not millions, because it makes sense.

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The problem is, like a lot of Ponzi schemes, they make sense. What they're not counting on is the fact that it's a Ponzi scheme. Like that may have worked if that's what they were doing with your money, but they're not. They're just spending it. You know, so I think a lot of the lot of people believe, oh, well, if you get scammed by an MLM or you get scammed by a scam, you're just stupid.

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But really, you're not. You'd be shocked how many people are susceptible to it.

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The guy, shoot, I was going to tell you, but the business opportunities guy that I told you about, He really had it down. He had a great system down. I kind of forget where I was going with that.

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Oh, that's what he said. He said that the fear of losing out on a deal is more powerful than the fear of losing your money. He said people's fear of being that guy, that guy that invested in Apple and chose to say, you know what, Steve, I don't think this is going to work. Give me my two thousand dollars back and I'll give you my 30 percent of the company that got.

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No, but people are more afraid of being that guy. Ja, genau.

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So what are the worst ones out there that you think?

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Sie dachten, er sei ein Crackpot. Er ist ein Crackpot. Und ich meine, das gleiche Problem, wie du gesagt hast, mit Bernie Madoff. Er hat es so lange gemacht und er hatte so viel Kredibilität. Das gleiche ist mit Amway. Wie du gesagt hast, sind sie so lange weg. Es kann nicht ein Scham sein.

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Es war eine legitime... Es war so legit.

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So I interviewed a guy on my channel and he was actually a part of an MLM and he was from Canada. He came to LA and got pitched for the MLM and then later on whatever it was, I don't know how many years after he went through the whole process, he wrote a movie about it. Wrote a movie. He produced and acted in a movie.

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And, you know, it's actually, I always say this, I always say, it's not a great movie, but it actually isn't a bad movie. Does it have big stars in it? No. But it's actually not a bad movie. And especially if you watched it, like this is a guy who gets pitched in a living room with like eight people.

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Next thing you know, it's a bigger, those people branch off and then there's another kind of a meeting. What's it called? I'm sorry? What's the movie called? It's called All I Need. Gotcha. And it's on my, it's on my, actually, it's actually, I think it's on Amazon. It's on like one of these channels, like Peacock or Amazon. It's called All I Need. What is his name? We're seeing it.

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Hold on, it's a... Scheme. Don't get caught... Hold on. You know what? It's a punch in... Shoot. What is his name? I did a... I'll just look for it on the channel. Here it is. Yeah, it's super interesting. I can get you the... I can get you the link or the movie. I know he'd be interested, interesting to talk to because he went through, oh, here it is. Oh, it's all that I need.

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And the name of the episode is what it's really like inside. It says Ponzi scheme. Okay. But it's It's really you got to watch it. It's I think it's more of a pyramid scheme because because but it's literally there's not you're not selling anything. So it's really it's kind of a mixture because the whole thing is like if you bring in money and give me money. I forget the way it's set up.

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Right, which eventually collapses.

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Wirklich?

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Richtig. Viele der Probleme mit Ponzi-Schemen sind, dass die Leute einfach zu groß versichern. You know, the return, like what's his name? Like Bernie Madoff went so long because he wasn't giving outrageous returns. They were higher than average, but they weren't insane. Like Charles Ponzi is giving you three times your money in 90 days. Like it's outrageous. Yeah.

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Oh, Victor Lusting.

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Er hat die Eiffeltower zweimal verkauft. Genius. Er hat auch die romanische Box verkauft. You know, the Romanian box where he would sell you the box. It made money. You put a dollar bill in or a hundred dollar bill or 20.

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And then it would roll in there and you would wait. And then you had to wait like an hour or two. And then you could roll it out and it would come out. Then two of them would come out. Hilarious. So he sold the box to people. And then he would show them how he'd show them once how it works. They sit there.

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Then they bring the money to the bank and the bank would say, yeah, this is a real hundred dollar bill. And then the person would go out and get him like two or three thousand dollars and come back. He'd give him the paper, give him everything. And then he had an hour or two hours to leave. That was why that you had to wait.

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Take off.

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You know, he got a police officer one time, like a sheriff. Oh, shit. And the sheriff he got because the sheriff had stolen money that had been seized. The sheriff had stolen it and spent it. So the sheriff needed a way to recoup the money. So he convinced the sheriff he could do this if he just gave him so much money. So he gave him the money. By the way, he also conned Al Capone. Damn.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He had a bunch of... It was really interesting. Of course, he ended up dying in prison.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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The other thing I was going to mention about pyramid schemes. I knew a guy in prison. I've known a few people in prison that ran Ponzi schemes. And another one, I knew another guy that went 15 years. 15 years. The problem with him was he was spending so much of the money. He was outrageously spending that when the market crashed and people started asking for their money back,

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Er konnte es nicht bezahlen. Es ist also gelaufen. Hatte der Markt nicht gelaufen und hätte er nicht so viel Geld verdient, hätte er es wahrscheinlich genug gehabt, weil nicht jeder auszuholen war. Es gab nur ein paar Leute, aber es war so viel, dass er es einfach nicht machen konnte.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, I mean, the product... You have a product that you're selling.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Hmm. I mean, I don't I just I don't I don't see a difference.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. But the difference is that they're not going after pyramid schemes because they're just not being given the legal basis or legal... Ja, genau.

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So I was going to say, isn't that kind of what? sam bateman fried was kind of aiming toward the kind i believe so trying to get it get get himself in a situation where he could protect his little fiefdom i believe so um

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Yeah.

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Es ist ein langer Zeitraum.

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So is that so is that what is the goal of your channel? Is that the goal of your channel or? Yes. Just to expose them and or is it to hope to bring legislation to long term, long term?

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Wie geht es mit deinem Kanal? Wie geht es jetzt? Du hattest einen kleinen Sabbat, den du erwähnt hast. Du bist wieder hochgegangen. Wie viele Monate jetzt? Sechs Monate? Nicht mal einen Monat. Oh, nicht mal einen Monat? Nicht mal einen Monat. Du hast sich etwa sechs Monate entfernt.

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How many videos have you put out?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Okay, well, cool. So, all right. I'm good. Do you have anything else you want to say?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Und du weißt nie, wo du, weißt du, ich meine, im Allgemeinen, ich meine, ich wusste nicht, dass du Leute interviewst, weil ich ein paar deiner Videos gesehen habe. And it was just you talking about the different MLMs.

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Ja, ich höre es manchmal gut, manchmal nicht. Das ist fair. Aber wie gesagt, niemand schaut das, weil sie denken, dass das ein professioneller Mensch ist. Er ist verpolischt. Niemand denkt, dass ich verpolischt bin.

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You know what? I've got a couple of those Sony Vios, the ones that Sony designed the camera specifically for for YouTubers. Oh, okay. So it just, you know, you turn it on and it just runs and runs. And I've got them, they're all networked together to a switcher. I've got a whole little console. Like it's actually... Sick. It actually, it's set up very well.

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You know, I just slowly put it together over the last couple of years. And at first it was, you know, it was just held together with, you know, Bubblegum and Spit. And now I'm slowly getting better and better equipment. Totally.

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Ja, es war ein wahrer Kram.

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Das ist es. Du musst es mir versprechen. Ja, weißt du, was lustig ist? Ich hätte gerne vier Leute zusammen haben wollen und einfach sprechen. Vier interessante Leute und einfach zwei oder drei Stunden sprechen. Einer dieser Art von... Das ist einfach. Und ich finde, dass ich oft mit jemandem sprechen werde, insbesondere mit Leuten, die ich nicht unbedingt interessieren würde.

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Und die Konversation geht und geht. Und wir gehen von einem Thema zu dem anderen. Und zwei Stunden gehen vorbei, drei Stunden gehen vorbei. Und du denkst dir, wow, das blieb vorbei. Und es war wirklich interessant.

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Was hat mein Freund mir gesagt? Hör auf, mein Freund hat mir das gesagt. Er ist ein Freund von mir und er hat immer diese Ideen. Er macht nie etwas mit ihnen. Und er hat die Idee von einem anderen Podcast genommen, den er gesehen hat. Und der Podcast war wie, was, wenn du eine Art Restaurant-Situation hättest, in der du die ganze, du weißt, die Tafel,

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and you invited people in and then they basically they just sat there and ate dinner and talked and you just videoed it or maybe it was just four friends and they talked and there was different groups like twice a week it was a different group of people and you interviewed or you did the whole podcast recorded it and then just put it up

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Sie wissen, dass du gedreht wirst und sie wissen, dass es gepostet werden wird.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Vielleicht ist es nur Trinken. Okay.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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okay well i think this way he was saying like there is no host oh just let people wing it yeah yeah they just come in you got two or three interesting couples they sit down they start talking oh what do you do oh i do this i do oh yeah you know and they just have a six-hour conversation i mean free content you just have to record it and You know, just change the cameras.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, you'd be all over the place. I'm sorry, go ahead.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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oh okay yeah the channel it went up to about 60 000 subscribers i had several videos that had a million two million uh you know the tick tock tick tocks and then after it was up for about four months five months and then we got so many strikes they eventually just took the whole channel down oh because of the subject matter

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Honestly, you know, I wish I could say I was 100% positive of what it was, but a lot of the videos, like half the videos were completely, in my opinion, they were benign. And we may have been talking about a bank robber, how he robbed a bank or something, but this is someone telling their story. And it wasn't a lot of cursing. It was, you know...

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Like if you mention a gun or if you do mention violence. A lot of those had that. And the guy I had running it for me, he was like 19 years old. And he just couldn't understand that that's, you know, it was like, hey, we keep getting these violations. And then one time they didn't let us post for 10 days. You know, they build up to that.

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And then a month later, bam, they just took the channel down.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No. Because I got frustrated and he's frustrated. He kind of disappeared. I think he thought I was mad or something, which I wasn't. He disappeared and then like a month or so later he came back. He's like, hey, I'm sorry, man. I'll start another channel. And I said, okay, well, if you want to start one, that's fine. And then he just disappeared again.

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I've had another group and this both this happened with both with this one kid and another another guy group of two guys that said, hey, I'll do your content. They gave us a price. Then they switched the price. Then now the problem with the original kid that helped me, I was like, look, here's what I'll do for you. We'll pay you this much. And.

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Once it blows up, I'll take you to Podfest, because I'm going to Podfest. It's for YouTube and for podcasters. I'm like, I'll take you there. I'm going to do a speech there. And I was like, I'll talk about how you have helped blow up my channel or get me a bunch of subscribers, that sort of thing. And he wasn't even interested. No, I don't really want to do that.

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Like, he's basically like a 19 year old. He lives at home. He wants enough money to take out his girlfriend. I mean, nice kid, but you know, a lot of kids, they, they just, they just don't want to, they don't want to work. They don't want to do anything. They don't want to build anything. They don't.

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Yeah. Also, du bist in Kanada.

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Okay. West Coast of Canada? I don't even think of anything over there.

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going over to the right alberta okay yeah i'll check it out yeah you heard of the edmonton oilers the hockey team wayne gretzky i'm not i'm not like that i'm not a sports guy that's fair that's fair um so okay so you were you born in canada i was born here yep all right yeah i'm canadian i'm canadian what made you so you know um born there raised there did you go to college

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Wie lange war das?

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Like it looks great. I would never have thought that.

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Yeah, listen, I'll walk through a crowd and be like, that guy. Yep, yep, yep. That guy.

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Oh, I had two. I had two surgeries. What'd you do? I had two, but one was $7,000, the other one, they were both $7,000. And I'd like to get a third. Yeah, I mean, even though everybody's like, no, no, but to me, it's still, it's a little thin, you know, like it's a little thin. I mean, I understand it looks, you know, natural, but, you know, I'd like to get a third one.

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But that was, I did these before I, this was, Gosh, this must have been 20 years ago. I did this when I was on the run. Okay. Okay. Well, that's good.

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Yeah, more realistic, like more natural.

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Oh, there's a new series with him. He's like a retired mobster or something. Oh, of course. But his hair is so thick and black. And it's just like, come on. He's in his mid-70s.

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Yeah, but listen, I came out of prison three years ago. I need to get a girlfriend. I need to start a career. It's not like I've got a wife I've had for 10 years or 15 years and three kids. I'm starting my life over. I've got to put some effort into it.

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Well, I mean, it's a federal... Like, I mean, you know, we have states, you have states, but you know, we have states and then we have the federal government. So the federal government indicted me in multiple different jurisdictions. I see. And then I, so I went to prison. I was in Florida, but. I could have been in California or Nevada or wherever. I could have been anywhere.

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But I happened to be in Florida. I got lucky. They put me in Florida, close to one of the jurisdictions that I was indicted out of. I see. I was actually sentenced in Georgia. I have several indictments that they kind of put together and hit me once. And I went to a prison in Florida. Luckily, I was close to my family there.

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No, I talk about it all the time.

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I mean, the short version is that it's funny. I was just thinking like Colby will probably take this and move it to the back. But the short version is. The short version is that I own a mortgage company and it's like I started doing a little bit of fraud. Somebody comes in with a W2 that they made 45,000 last year, so they can't qualify for the house they want to buy. So what do I do?

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If it said 52,000, they could get the house. So I changed the numbers to 52,000. I cut and paste it, put it together, send it in. It doesn't get caught and the loan goes through. So I just got I got more and more imaginative. Eventually I end up getting caught. I get caught and I lose the mortgage company.

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You know what synthetic identity is? Is that like a fake ID? It's kind of like fake identity, but what I did was, which was unique, was I actually went, I actually figured out how to get our Social Security Administration to issue Social Security numbers to people that, to basically children that don't exist.

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I would then get credit cards in their name, build a credit profile, and now I've got somebody who has like a 750 credit score. So on paper he looks real. I then figured out how to get like an ID in that person's name. And then I started buying houses in those names and I would record the value of the houses at a much higher sales price.

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So I took an area that was selling for around, let's say, 50 or 100,000. I drove up the prices and I borrowed like eleven and a half million dollars over the course of 18 months. Well, eventually I got caught. Well, the couple of friends got caught and they worked with the basically like a task force. They handed that task force to the FBI. They came to arrest me and I took off on the run.

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I was on the run for three years. I was on the run for three years. I borrowed another three and a half to four and a half million dollars while on the run. You know, and I had like passports. I've had two dozen passports issued by the State Department, U.S. State Department. I've had 27 driver's licenses. I've had over 50 identities and borrowed another, whatever, three or four million dollars.

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And then eventually I get caught after three years and I get sentenced and I go to prison. I ended up doing 13 years. But, you know, but when I was in prison, I started writing guys prison stories like true crime stories. So I start writing all these guys stories and I figured when I got out, I try and do some kind of a podcast or something.

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And so that's a very short version of what led me to start this channel. Right. And I still do that. I still write stories and I've optioned a bunch of my stories. Well, a bunch, but several. And I'm working on getting some of them turned into documentaries. And that's what I do now. I do that, I do this, I paint.

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Like I should have done something else. Instead, I kept committing fraud.

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You make $380,000, you're a loser? Like, I just, you know, every time I see that guy, my skin crawls. I think he's just such a scumbag.

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Aber ich würde sagen, dass jemand mit dieser Mentalität, ich denke, dass das mit ihm aufhören wird und er wird für etwas verurteilt. Ich meine, es gibt einfach keinen Weg, dass du so schmutzig bist und es dich letztendlich nicht aufhören wird. Er hat bereits mehrere Male investigiert. Ja, ich bin nicht zu...

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Yeah, I had an all or nothing attitude. And definitely I thought I kept, you know, when I first did it, it was because I did it and I thought I didn't want to, you know, like literally I was going under. I mean, we're talking about like I'm several car payments behind, my mortgage is behind. Like I was, I bet everything on being a mortgage broker.

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And my first loan that it's going to close, I'm going to make 3,500 bucks. I'm going to close this loan. And suddenly the girl, My client had a 30-day late on her rental verification of rent. So I whited it out. And my boss told me to do it. So I thought, I just need to get ahead. If I could just get everything caught up. But then I got caught up.

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And then I thought, if I could just get this much money, I would be okay. And then I thought, and then even when I got caught up, Und ich habe mich gefangen, und ich habe einen weiteren Schaden gemacht, und ich habe angefangen, Geld zu machen. Es war nie genug. 100.000 in der Bank war nicht genug. Ein Million war nicht genug. Zwei Millionen.

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Wenn du drei Millionen hättest, drei Millionen, und ich wäre gut. Es war einfach nie, es wurde immer schlimmer. Und das Problem war, dass in meiner Meinung, ich denke mir immer, ich weiß jetzt, dass es nicht genug Geld war. You know, the money wasn't the issue. It wasn't that I was... I don't feel like I was chasing money because I had money.

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I just think I was... I just wanted everybody to think I was successful and smart. It was just arrogance. It was just arrogance and pride.

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Wirklich?

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Well, I was 6 million. So, um, I have to make payments every month. But I'm on probation. You don't register. But if somebody were to pull my... If you were to pull your record or anything, that would probably come up. Initially I went to a halfway house for about 6-7 months. And I worked for a friend of mine who owned a gym. So I worked there for 7 months.

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Then... Really, I've never worked anywhere since then. Literally, as soon as I got out... I was doing, I was painting. I was doing paintings, you know, for like I paint paintings. And I ended up doing a podcast with this guy here named Danny. He owns, he runs a podcast called Concrete on YouTube with a K. And it suddenly it got like, within like three months, it got like a million views.

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I told my story over the course of like a month, over the course of like two hours, I told my story. Und es ist lustig, dass du deine Eltern erwähnt hast. Ich spreche über meinen Vater. Mein Vater war ein Alkoholiker und er war extrem überrascht von mir. Ich war nicht der Sohn, den er wollte. Ich glaube, er wollte jemanden, der Fußball gespielt hat und groß war und athletisch war.

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Und ich war fünf Fuß sechs. Ich bin nicht... Und ich bin nicht superathletisch. Und ich habe eine Lernuntersuchung. Also habe ich keine rechten A's in der Hochschule. Und er hat sehr schnell gemerkt, oh, er wird nichts sein. Er kann kaum lesen. Er wird nichts sein. Und dann, natürlich, wird er trank und hat schreckliche Dinge gesagt. Und, du weißt.

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Also, du weißt, es gab das ganze zusätzliche Bonus, nicht zu wollen, dass es eine Verzweiflung ist. Weil, als ich die Kampagne besitze, war ich, ich war, er war, er war überrascht. How much money I was making. Then I started buying houses and flipping houses. He was like, my God, I never thought this kid would be anything.

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So the idea that I was going to, you know, claim bankruptcy and move into his spare room. No, that's just I wasn't going to do anything to avoid that. So. But. You know, when I got out of prison, I did Danny's show, I did the podcast and then I, or Concrete, and then I did Valuetainment with Patrick Bet-David. Then I did Soft White Underbelly. I'm familiar with that, yeah. Yeah, I did that one.

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I did Vlad TV. Okay. So, you know, I did a bunch of these podcasts that are, you know, big time podcasts. And so... You know, I, I, then I, I, then I started my channel. You know, I was hoping to have a really good setup, but I couldn't afford it. I couldn't afford the setup I have now then. So I just kind of started posting videos of me. And then I kind of put together kind of a makeshift

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in a little setup with this guy, with Colby, the guy that runs the channel. And then we just started, this was about two years ago, we just started posting videos. And so it did okay. I kind of feel like I missed the wave. Like I had a huge wave when I was doing all those podcasts. But, you know, there was a lot of interest and I didn't have a channel yet.

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So, you know, when the wave started coming down, that's when I came in and started my channel. So, you know.

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Yeah, I just, I feel like I would have, but you know, I don't know, I would have probably had a lot more subscribers, but it's irrelevant. I'm still, you know, I'm doing, I feel like I'm doing great. I'm super happy. Look, I pay my bills every single month. I pay my restitution. I live in a nice house in a great neighborhood. I have a brand new car. I have a gorgeous girlfriend.

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So I'm thrilled with the way things are going. I've got a bunch of my true crime stuff has been optioned and they're doing well. So You know, it's like everything's moving along. It's going well. And so I'm happy with that.

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Yeah, I mean, you know, what that just reminded me of, you know, Jordan Peterson, I heard him say one time that Und ich vergesse, wo er, er zitiert, wo er das bekommen hat, wo jemand sagt, sagt, dass du weißt, du kannst nicht wirklich ein Mann sein, bis dein Vater tot ist. Richtig.

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Du weißt, und ich dachte, das war, ich war, du weißt, dass, okay, ich habe nicht, es war, es war einfach, es war, du weißt, ich habe es nicht so gedacht, dass du weißt, du wirst immer ein Junge sein, jemandem, deinem Vater. Ja, ja.

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It's fine. I think Colby will move it around. You know how you look at the analytics?

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Ich denke, meine Zuhörer sind müde von meiner Geschichte. Sie haben es tausendmal gehört. Okay, schneid das ganze Ding aus. Und was er tun wird, ist, er wird es wahrscheinlich einfach nehmen und es in die Rückseite legen. Ich werde den Link zu Marco, immer Marco, zu Marcos YouTube-Kanal in der Beschreibung schicken. Check out his channel and subscribe, obviously.

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Also, do me a favor and if you like the video, subscribe to this video, hit the bell, leave me a comment, share the video, do all the things. Hit the like button. I never say hit the like button. I don't know why. But hit the like button. I appreciate it. I appreciate you guys watching and thank you very much. I will see you.

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Was ist ein MLM?

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Was ist mit deinem Freund passiert? Dein ursprünglicher Freund. Weißt du, was das Ausfall von dem war? Weil, ich meine, lass uns es so sagen, nur die Leute am Top der MLM, sie sind die Einzigen, die wirklich Geld verdienen. Ja, also, okay, also, ähm.

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Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Just an example.

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Yeah, it looks very professional. You've seen it on TV. And I got rid of... I had a bunch of Marilyn Monroe, like some of my paintings on the wall. I got rid of that. Now it's just a red wall. So it's a lot more cleaner. Although I don't think anybody even notices that stuff. I notice it. Wait, you get rid of the pictures. I like those. I did like them.

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But first of all, like I wasn't really they weren't really selling like I wasn't selling a bunch of them. And so, you know, it would be easier for me to just plug in an ad about paintings than it would be for me to keep them on the wall.

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Right, because of, didn't she have, what was the story? I know the story, but I don't want to tell you the story because then you'll go, uh-huh, uh-huh, and then I'm telling the story instead of you telling the story. So what is the story? I know it is. I know what it is, but go ahead.

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Well, I was going to say... I don't do a lot with with mobsters, but that did sound I was thinking that I think he was a mobster. He was involved with like Kennedy's father or Kennedy, supposedly.

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So the Freemasons... Yeah, they're all Freemasons. Okay, so you understand that Dealey Plaza was built probably 10 or 20 years before the assassination.

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I don't see how that – so they built this place 20 years ago saying if we ever need to assassinate a president, here's where we'll do it? I don't know, but it's built just like a pyramid if you look at it. Well, I'm sure lots of things are built in the shape of a pyramid.

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I don't know any of this.

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I feel like, and I don't want to be disrespectful, but I don't need to know this stuff because I don't feel like this is going to help me in any way other than it adds for a good show. Entertainment value.

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So you decided to contact the producer. Is that?

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So I have a question. Why are we going to Mars? Why is Elon Musk want to go to Mars so bad? And why does the government want to go to Mars so bad?

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What, the pole shifts? No, I'm saying Elon Musk just said he wants us to be an interplanetary species if something goes wrong.

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I mean, plate tectonics. I know what plate tectonics are.

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Are you going to explain plate tectonics to me like I don't know?

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There's some just fundamental knowledge that people have. I mean, just because I don't know about the aliens doesn't mean I don't understand basic scientific principles.

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So you think when the poles shift, if they shift, you're saying if they do this, we would still be spinning. And we would also still be near the equator. So I don't think they'd be that much of a big deal. Unless it happened really quick. It is. It happens very quick. You have to hold on to something.

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Go ahead, laugh. You have to do a YouTube channel. You really do. You could just reach in and just do a different episode. You could do a 15-minute episode twice a week and you'd be able to quit your job in a year. I'm telling you. It'd blow up. It'd be huge. You let me edit the videos. Listen, when I do these videos, I'm going to throw some aliens and stuff in there.

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I'm going to have some spaceships and You're going to say, well, listen, you're going to say, well, when the reptilians come down and I'm going to have a little spaceship go...

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Hey, this is Matt Cox, and I'm here with Jon Stewart, He is a former candidate for governor of Illinois and he ran for Senate. He's also the premier investigator of the, and I believe it is the 97 alien interview. Super interesting interview. So check it out. My buddy, who is a big believer in aliens, alien abductions, Really, any conspiracy at all, he loves. And the problem is...

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All right. So he came to them. You reached out. What was the first your first process? I understand everything you're trying to kind of consolidate in five minutes, but we have more than five minutes. So what was the so what was the first you know, what was your first step? You saw it. You said, let me take a look at this thing. You started that process by contacting who?

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since the advent of the internet and let's say the last 15 years is that growing up, I would hear these, you would hear these conspiracies and of course, you know, you shrug them off or even if there's a lot of evidence, you still pretty much shrug them off because why would the government lie to us? And, and then of course in the last 10 years,

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Okay. But you still hadn't contacted the producer or the, sorry.

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Did you ever figure out who that was?

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there are so many examples of just blatant lies by the government. No, we would never spy on American citizens. There is no spy program. Six months later, a year later, there is a spy program. We are spying on the American citizens.

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American citizens. My problem with that is that growing up, I love a good alien abduction story. I loved Fire in the Sky. I love the concept. I love the idea, but I love the idea of Star Trek. Obviously, You know, those are those are great. But deep down, I've just I was always like, come on, stop it.

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And I would say, look, you know, I would do the whole, you know, semi mocking, like, you know, come on, where are the pictures? Where are this? Where's that? But the problem is, as things have progressed, there are so many of these what were, you know, crazy conspiracy theories that are being debunked that it's it's at the point where It's like I'm still kind of like, where are the photos?

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Where are the videos? But, you know, the problem is, is that. I also think that there's the availability for the government to suppress these things is just massive. So and anyway. You know. I don't know. I, I, I do like the idea of it. I just really do would love to see concrete evidence.

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Okay. They choose people that are easily discredited. Got it. So here's one of my questions for you. You say you've got the list, you were sent a list, but the only person's name that you're willing to release is someone who's deceased. Do you see how that's problematic?

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I don't know that we'll ever get that, but I, my understanding is you've done a thorough, you want to see photos.

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Okay. So, you went through, you spoke with everyone that it was possible to speak with on the list. You were... essentially you got some bits of information, but most, but some also just were either deceased or they didn't want to speak anymore, but their titles and locations and everything connected with the list that you received. So what was, what was your next step?

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Did you talk to the producer of the film?

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All right. So here's my, my question, but what I'm, I must not, I don't understand. So, so the, you know, the, the, the basic story is what, that these aliens crashed here. Is it one alien or multiple aliens crashed here? The, the, you know, where do they crash? Is this the Roswell crash? And they were, they were taken into a military base and kept until that time.

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And periodically they've been interviewed and one of the interviews got out. That's the crux of the, of the story.

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So let's let's go back a little bit. What is your your background? You know, where were you born?

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So there's many, many crashes. I mean, NASA's got a better track record than that. I mean, so what is your...

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based on your actual research and not just listening to Chris Marrero, which is my buddy that I have on every once in a while, not just believing everything you read and actually doing some research and speaking with people that are in the know, what is the consensus of why they are coming here and what is the issue with the crashes?

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an M 16, you can have body armor, you can have like the best military, uh, um, equipment. And let's face it, uh, you know, an Indian with a bow and arrow, you know, may still kill you. You know, he, he, he, he fires out an arrow, hits you in the right spot. You're going down. It doesn't matter that you're completely draped in, you know, Kevlar, you know, he hits you in the neck. You're just done.

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Yeah. And that's, you know, that's what 4,000 year old technology, uh,

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You've been slowly moving over, yes.

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What did you think about the congressional hearing yesterday? Was it a hearing? Is that what it was?

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It was a hearing.

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The same thing. It was just the same thing over and over. They basically took the same interviews that they've been having and they just got them all together in the same room.

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Okay, so you weren't happy with that. I have a question for you. What do you think about the... the Navy footage of the TikTok videos of the TikTok UFOs?

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okay so do you know it's funny the alien autopsy uh video i remember the girl i was dating when that came out she ordered it for me that was like one of my christmas presents i remember i had i actually had that on vhs right you know right so um can i just say one thing about that sure you know first it's real now it's a hoax then it's real i just want to tell people and

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I was going to say, even to be able to create... the aliens. Like that's just not average. The average person doesn't have that equipment in their base or in their, you know, in their garage. Like, I mean, it takes, you have to pay somebody serious money to come up with those types of things. So, okay. Is there anything else that we haven't gone over that you'd like to go over?

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All right. I was going to say something that had kind of come out where it was like the idea of the shadow government or the shadow, kind of that shadow government. body of the government that is hiding these things or, you know, which, which is always funny to me that the Pentagon, you know, lose every, you know, is always missing billions of dollars every year. You know, that always kills me.

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Like, where does that money go? It's like, okay, well then these, these, these things have to be funded. Where's the money coming from? Well, I mean, the government is the absolute worst with money. They're constantly losing money. And I, and I, and I disagree because here, here's why I know, you know, where that money is.

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because I have a friend that deposited to, um, you know, the COVID, the relief checks. Sure. He had, he, he had somebody who came to him and gave him two fake 1200, or I think it might be three, three fake $1,200 COVID checks. Okay. He deposited them in his bank account. They cleared of course, because they were government checks. Now they were fake. They were, you know, they were counterfeit.

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He got the money. And within a year, people from the government showed up and wanted to know that they knew exactly where the money had gone, that he'd gotten it, tracked it down. You're going to spend probably $20,000, $30,000 on an investigation, another $50,000 for an investigation, and to house him in jail for $3,600. Right.

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You spent almost $100,000 to track down $3,600, which you'll probably never get back. But you don't know where a billion dollars went.

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That went to the Pentagon. That is all electronic. They didn't bring it in.

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Even if you were to say, hey, you know what? We cashed it all out and we used it as bribes.

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For other countries, we needed these people to vote this way on these committees in their country so we could get a base here.

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Listen, I appreciate you coming on. I appreciate you contacting me. And I'm assuming at some point during this post or this video that.

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colby will play the uh the autopsy the video it may be at the end of the video it may be during the video i'm not sure where uh he'll uh he'll play it but um he can zoom up on the photo at the end when the doctors come in oh my god it's it's jaw-dropping to see the emotion the facial expressions the eye socket changing shape the mouth opening closing instantaneously it's amazing well send me the link

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If you can, I will.

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Hey, this is Matt Cox. I appreciate you guys watching. Do me a favor. Join my Patreon. It's $10 a month. That's really nothing. I appreciate you guys watching. If you like the video, share it. Also, subscribe. Hit the bell so you get notified of videos like this. Leave some comments in the comment section. I'm sure John will be perusing it. And I'm sure you guys can have a lively discussion.

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And we're going to be on with Chris Marrero. We're going to be talking about a variety of things spanning from Bigfoot to aliens to the moon landing, which Chris has a whole conspiracy thing on the moon landing. And we're going to be talking about the aliens that landed in Las Vegas because I get aliens like gambling too, I guess so. We don't know. I don't know.

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We're going to find it, but we're going to check it out. It's going to be great. Check this video out. Okay, so what are we going to talk about?

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And then, of course, in the last 10 years. there are so many examples of just blatant lies by the government.

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Because they smell so bad. Why don't they ever have their iPhones with them? I don't go from one room of my house to the other room without my iPhone.

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Maybe they're lost. Maybe they get lost.

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But they're super hairy. Oh, super hairy, super massive, you know, eight, nine feet tall. What about, is it possible that they're Italian? Italians are very hairy.

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Well, I'm never in. You're not going to believe this. I know you look at me and you think, would be. This is a guy that hangs out in the woods. But I really don't. I honestly never leave the house. We're, we're in Florida and I don't like walking to the car in the driveway. So yeah, I'm not going to be in the woods. You would never go out in the woods.

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The only way I would ever see one of these is if somebody had their iPhone with them and captured it, like, on camera, you know, on the camera, because I'm not going out in the woods.

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This is the National Forest guy that... Yosemite's the worst.

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You go in there, go camping, and what? What does he think? He thinks Bigfoot's grabbing them?

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Maybe it was there's like a well. Like one of those little... No, no. So what does he think happens? They don't just disappear.

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Well, they've got to have a pathologist that goes in there and cuts them up.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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When was the first time you saw the film?

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ended up in california that sounds like fire in the sky did you ever see that movie based on those guys the law yeah that's it that's interesting because they've never like their stories have never wavered 30 years old later 40 years later they're like never never wanted anything for it never guy still works in the same industry like it's like any of the benefits he could have

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had from lying about that or the group of them lying about it what benefit was there he was mocked the rest of his life he worked in the same field never tried to make any money off it yeah There's no benefit. There's no benefit. So it's like some people are like, OK, well, they're trying to cash in like Bob Lazar really cashed in.

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You know, if he was making up if Bob Lazar was making up all of his stuff.

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Well, I know what I'm saying. At least he can say I made a career of this bullshit. All right. Well, but this, but these, these other guys, the guys, um, which is Travis, like there was no benefit. Like those guys were mocked the rest of their life. Like they, they didn't want anything to do with it. Some of them moved away. They went to different industries. They denied it.

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Well, he, he showed up naked in the middle of the night. Like, it's not like he showed up like, Hey, I just like, gosh, where am I now? He showed up like traumatized. He's naked. calls a fucking pay phone, hadn't eaten in like five days.

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Yeah. That's a good story. That's a good... But anyway, so... Either way, this guy... The guy with the head injury.

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What if the trucker picked him up Did things to him and gave him a haircut because he also liked to cut hair. Maybe he was suppressing, like maybe his father wanted him to be a trucker. He wanted to be a hairdresser. Every once in a while, he picked up some guy, knocks him out, gives him a good haircut and drops him off along his route.

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I'm saying the trucker was driving by. He saw this guy. He thought, Hey, that guy needs the haircut. I've always wanted to be, you know, like a, I always wanted to be like a, whatever, a hairdresser. He hits him in the head to knock him out, cuts his hair and then keeps going on his route and drops him off like in Seattle or wherever he is. And so all he remembers is I was on the ski slope.

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I got hit in the head. I woke up in fucking Seattle with this haircut.

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If he was, if like a spaceship picked him up, I get that. But typically the spaceships, when they pick these guys up and, you know, they do stuff to them, they don't usually give them a new backpack and shoes. Well, there's a consolation prize. Look, I know that you've been gone six months. We probably disrupted your life, but we have some Nikes. and a really cool backpack. That's new.

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I've never heard that.

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Wait a minute, Chris, can you move the camera down so that I can, because you're basically, I'm getting your forehead.

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That's the most? Yeah. Okay. That's the best.

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You're safe. You're safe.

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So this will never happen to you. Or... I need to work. This is really bizarre. I need to look out. This is really bizarre. Ready for this? Yes. Or they're of German descent. Okay. I'm Nordic. I'm from Norway. So I'm, once again... Oh, you're close by. I'm close, but... Okay, I dodged a bullet there. You're Italian and what?

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He's never showed back up?

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Okay, listen, we're not in the forest, though, anymore. Are we still in the National Forest?

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Okay, that's okay. These guys could have taken off. That guy could have taken off on the wife. It's the ones that come back to say there are three states away that go, I have no idea. Those are the ones that are crazy. All right, well, let me give you this one.

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Well, who finds them on the top of a mountain?

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Coast to Coast? Yeah, of course. And...

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the uh um what lurks underneath or something like that that sounds familiar yeah i gave that to you a long time ago i don't know if you want to see it yet i watch about one out of every every uh probably one out of every two or three that you send me sometimes you'll send them to me like three times four times i'm like he sent this one to me twice did you see the one i sent you uh today

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The one with the big, they were like, they were big, tall people, big foot, hairy.

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There was no sound.

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You know her, right?

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No? No. Oh, I thought you knew her. I thought you tried to... Get me to interview somebody that was a woman that was like a sovereign citizen or something. No, Sharon. No, Sharon. OK. Why didn't you ever call her? I don't know, because honestly, I'm not even supposed to be really interviewing anybody that's not directly involved in either like law enforcement, like criminal cases or.

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something to do with true crime like i i'm my booking agent i'm always telling him he's always trying to get me to interview other people i'm like no bro i'm just doing true crime just true crime but you know you're different you you're i i you're you're a crossover because you you are a criminal that's why your whole i'm innocent thing so what else do you want to know

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What about, so what about, okay, so that was, you know, we never even, I never even asked about, about national forest abductions or disappearances. I thought we were going to talk about aliens. What's going on with the, what's going on with the Las Vegas thing?

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Well, yeah, but they also had the body cam from the police officer. That could just be a falling star. What do they call them?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Falling star. That could have just been anything, an asteroid or something.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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comment whatever yeah yeah it could that could be anything that they saw that it's the the kids in the back of the house who say they saw these things which of course once again you know i i keep saying well they don't have they didn't have a cell phone they couldn't and of course everybody's like they're like 12 or 13 year old boys like no they don't have a cell phone they're you know they're mexican kids in you know that went in the backyard they didn't have their phone they don't have a you're 12 13 years old you don't necessarily have a cell phone so i get that but

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I was wondering if anything else has been heard or come out in the community. Because I know you're a part of the inner circle.

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For some reason, I see the Brazilian cops trying to put handcuffs on him, beating him while screaming, stop resisting, stop resisting! But okay, so they get him.

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I... Listen, the whistleblower guy has me kind of like... Well, first of all, when... Look, because my whole thing is... Why aren't there any photos? How come there's no proof? There's lots of photos. There's so much information, it's overwhelming. I understand what I'm saying. I'm saying now, with all of the available camera systems and video and recording, that there should be something.

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When it came out that those pilots from the um, the, the Navy pilots came out and they started throwing all that footage out. Like, Hey, we got them here. We got them here. We got them here. We've been getting them. We've been told not to say anything. Like when all that came out, I started going, Holy shit, this is nuts.

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And then this whistleblower comes and says, look, he's got all this evidence. He's like, but let's face it. I don't want to give it up. I don't want to be, um, Edward Snowden. I don't want to have to be living in Siberia or hiding in Russia or, or, you know, so he, they went and they gave it, he gave it. he gave it to Congress and said, here is what is out there.

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So, you know, I'm curious to know where that goes. But yeah, definitely, definitely. I'm 90% there, but I'm also somebody who was raised in the 80s and 90s where it was ludicrous to believe that aliens existed. So I still have that kind of 10% of me that says, don't go all in.

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Like I'm not necessarily Joe Rogan, who's 100 percent all in there. I mean, I believe I'm not saying I don't believe in aliens. Obviously, I believe that there's life, you know, throughout the universe. I mean, mathematically, there's no way that there's not billions of of planets with life on them. My problem is, why would you come here? You know what I'm saying?

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And if you could travel across the entire, you know, galaxy and come to earth and then crash, come on. Like the brakes went out, like, come on, stop. So I'm just curious, like, why here? What are you interested in? Why would there be any interaction, you know? Like that's where the conspiracy theories start to get me going. Okay, look, you had me at they're here and they're observing.

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But then suddenly, no, no, they've taken over. They're working in conjunction with us. Well, what do they even need us for? They want the planet. Well, let's face it. If they're so technology.

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Definitely not. Plus, have you heard of the people that have been tagged? No. So wait, first tell me why aliens are here. So what is this one? Why are they here specifically?

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Wait a second. Listen. We'll talk about Admiral Byrd in a minute. Listen. That's a whole show in itself. Go ahead. If these things had the ability to travel here, right? You got to be able to travel... At least the speed of light. No, he needs a wormhole. Okay. To be able to, let's say, navigate a wormhole and get here and get back. So where this wormhole is, I don't know.

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Or create a wormhole in order to make that happen as if that's even possible, which maybe it is. I don't know. if you were able to do that, why would you need humans to be slaves? Wouldn't you have robots? And let's face it in 10 years from now, we're probably going to have robots on Mars building huts for us. So wouldn't they already have like androids and robots? Why would they even need us?

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I have a prescription. I got a doctor to just write it. She'll write it. You say, I'm having issues. I'm 53 years old. I need you. I got you. 53 years.

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Well, I got to, yeah, I got to talk to, I definitely have to talk to your friend who is at Coleman. Who? I don't know. The woman you told me about. Oh, Sharon, Sharon. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Rich is out. Oh, I know. I know. Have him on the show. He's not going to. I already asked him. He's not going to do it.

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Yeah, I understand, but if you're, that's different. If you're doing it for, you can't really stop someone for talking to press and you can't really, and if it has anything to do with business, you really can't stop them either. It was work related. I'm doing it to promote myself. I'm doing it to, I mean, look, you see me, I'm on federal probation.

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My probation officer is like, eh, you know, whatever. This is what you're doing for a living. That's fine.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. For the First Chance Act, right?

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Right. That's for what? Didn't Trump sign that in?

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I think Trump signed it into law.

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I don't know. The credits. My God. One is the COVID. You got off on the COVID thing. The second one is the first. You're getting the credits for the First Chance Act, which Trump signed into law. So whenever I talk to Pete. I always tell him when he's like, yeah, I just got my first credit act. I'm going to be in halfway house in a month. I'm like, well, you better thank Trump.

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And you know, he's super liberal. Like he's like, he gets all upset. I'm like, I'm just saying you, you got almost a year off because of Trump. You remember Trump. Yeah. All right.

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Whatever that, that law, they were putting that into place before Trump ever got, Trump signed it. Trump, you need to write that man a letter.

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No, I mean... He's a bad inmate, bro. He's gambling. He's going to the shoe. Selling pills. Really? Yeah, you kill it. He's a maniac. He's going to get out. He's going to probably be a multi-multi-millionaire again. He's a hell of a salesman. Oh, I bet. No, he's one of those guys. It's like, you know, like if he could make $3 million a year legally, but he could make three and a half illegally.

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He'll go with the three and a half.

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I thought he's a slippery character, but he's fun. He's he's he's great. He's hilarious. I love him. I would hang out with him all the time. I wouldn't invest with him. No, no, but still, yeah, I do like him. Can't trust him with anything. Don't lend him money. Don't you're not getting your money, but you know, if you keep, I'm very good at compartmentalizing people.

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Like this is the person I like to go to, to have fun. Oh, great. What if he needed to borrow money? No, no, we don't lend him money. Now this person's boring, but you can lend this person money. So, um, uh, so, so w what about the Admiral that went, was it, what'd you say his name was Admiral?

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Yeah, but that whole nuclear weapons thing, that worked out. Like, you haven't been in problems.

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Yeah. They wiped those people. They, they, they did, they didn't wipe them out, but they definitely gave them some sun damage.

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So the problem is that the alien people, everyone I ever watch, like they try and do it like they're doctors or something like they sit around. They try to do it super professional. It's like, stop it. You don't have to do that. What's happening with the economy? What are they going for with it? What is Biden doing? He's in cahoots with the aliens? What's happening?

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There you have it, big guy. Okay, so I don't understand. So what's the goal? Why is the economy not doing well?

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Listen. What about? OK, so do you remember telling me about like a bell for three hours? Do you remember telling me about the the Soviet Union had gone to the moon and they got there and they weren't they were they found an area or something? They warned the Americans not to go in that area.

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What? Were they in the witness protection program?

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I mean, I think I have the app, but I never use it. Like I'm not speaking, you know, I'm not a, I'm not a, uh, not the CIA or anything. I don't, I don't need a telegram. So I have a question. Did you ever hear that the Nazis had gone to the moon? Yeah. Do you think that's true? They had like a secret base. They had a secret base or something. What's his name? Von Braun. Yeah. Werner Von Braun.

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And what is that one?

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What's the theory there, and do you believe it?

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I don't know. No, I don't believe it, but I'm very much a standard. I believe what's in the textbooks.

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I mean, plus, you know, there was that, um, there was a movie that's based on that. Yeah, it's called Iron Sky.

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Yeah. Documentary? You would think it's a documentary, but it's actually a fiction movie. It's great. I got to watch it. You have to look up also Operation Bluebeam. Bluebeam, what's that?

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What is it that's in the sky?

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Yeah, the chemtrails. All right, so listen, you're not a great storyteller. So you believe that the government is pumping what chemical? Barium. barium into the atmosphere through planes so that they can project... Well, it's included...

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So what are their plans to project what?

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Wernher von Braun. So he said that the long-term plan is to continually have different types of wars, and eventually the last one they would do would be A war against aliens.

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Which is, in fact, untrue. Because the aliens have been here.

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I can't do a whole lot. I tried to do another one. It's a pain in the ass getting people to do it. Actually, with StreamYard, I'd probably just do this and just mash out videos of just, you know, insane topics. Because some of these topics are just outrageous. Like, you know, they're so conflicting.

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I know. I mean, he may be a former policeman. It doesn't necessarily make him credible. How many former policemen did you meet in Coleman?

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What happened to Justin? Remember Justin, the guy that stuck the broom handle in the guy's... Remember that guy, Justin? He was in prison, got 30 years for violating the guy with the broom handle. He wasn't, he wasn't credible. Nice guy. I liked Justin that just let him out recently. I mean, nice guy, but then he didn't do anything to me.

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So, you know, I can say, how do you correlate that to Mr. Pilatus? I'm saying that you're saying he's a former policeman and that makes him credible.

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You got all kinds of stuff you could write about. You could try and formulate. I've written screenplays. I've written like 13 screenplays. You got to do a YouTube. We got to get you on your feet, bro.

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Yeah, but you can't go back to your old line of work. Filing taxes and whatever you were. The legal things that you did that got you into jail.

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What other stories do we have here? We've gone over any other. So what is the ultimate goal for the aliens to work with the Earthlings? What is their ultimate goal?

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Oh my God. So what, I was just thinking, I'm going to get B-roll of like a snake eye. And throw it on there. Throw it on their thing. So what's their ultimate goal? You're saying just to breed themselves into the human population right now.

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I've seen this. They look like. It's a meteorite. Look like little tiny, like a fuse, but it's tiny, right? Yeah. Kind of that shape. It's got elongated kind of little shape.

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I've seen that. I saw one where they got it. And when they tried to open it up, it just it kind of like self-destructed. It just was like burned up like a little fuzzy little. And then it was just kind of ash.

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I mean, that's I mean, I'm not saying I've seen this. I've seen this like on a video or somebody explained it to me. I didn't see it. I wasn't there.

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It's good. It's the same. Nothing's changed. The biggest issue for me with married life is that I now have to say wife instead of girlfriend, and I'm usually saying girlfriend. and which I don't think is that big of a deal. But whenever my, my wife is in the room and I say, yeah, my girlfriend, she gives me this look and I'm like, what, what? And she's like, I'm your wife.

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Like, okay, well, you know, it's the same thing. No, it's not totally different. It's like, Oh, so yeah.

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So, well, she's got that phone wall behind you. and she hasn't taken my last name, so. Oh, no? No, no credit cards have changed. Nothing's changed. There's no driver's license. There's no change. I think we're still feeling it out. Like, maybe this might not take. What are you doing now?

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Did you tell them that, like, isn't that why you went to jail last time for telemarketing?

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They don't care? Your probation officer doesn't care?

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What are you selling?

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Right. So you guys go in and they say, hey, I owe $10,000, and you go in and you try and negotiate it down to $5,000.

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My wife at the time said that she had cancer. She's getting millions of views on every single video. This is now funding her lifestyle.

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Well, you know, good for her for beating it.

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You know, I'm proud of her. I'm glad this podcast ended on a good note. Yeah. Yeah. These topics, like this whole thing. Yeah.

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You've got the whole series broken down, so you can go through the entire series of

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this epic journey which will make you want to stay single to be honest and if you do youtube i have the long format on oh you do online oh okay cool and and also there's a uh on youtube long form uh so we're gonna put all of the links in the descriptions you can click on them shoot right over there subscribe follow do do all of that and watch all that content and once again i appreciate you watching please consider joining our patreon it's ten dollars a month we also have

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a couple of shorts channels and a clips channel. Those links are also in the description. Well, actually, they're not even in the description. You guys can just go on the channel and we have links in the channel of where you can click on them and go. Anyway, I appreciate you guys so much. Thank you. See ya.

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Cause I was going to say, man, I want to write that guy a letter.

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what's true what's bs and you know it turns out a lot more the the bs than what's actually true so so i mean you keep you're still going on you're still you got the one office there's no lawsuit it's covid

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while you're married this is while we're married it's so insane it's like you hear these stories and it's like oh like my business partner screwed me over this random guy i met like this is your wife yeah well i mean here's here's the thing like so and i know i i texted you this i said like bro like is this she sounds like a pathological liar and you were like well i just think she's probably a psychopath or sociopath she didn't tell me to use it but you understand that you have to be a psychopath or sociopath

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to be a pathological liar. Do you know what I'm saying? You have to suffer from antisocial disorder. And when you say you're the husband, I wrote a book about a guy named Marcus Schrenker, who, I don't know if you remember this, Darren, in 2009, during the financial crisis, this guy took, he was under investigation for securities fraud. His offices had been raided.

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He goes and gets in his airplane. He wasn't arrested, but it's coming. He gets in his private aircraft. He flies out over. He's actually over Alabama. I think when he jumps out, calls in a distress signal, says his window is spider cracking. I'm bleeding. I'm bleeding. It's imploded. And he puts a parachute out and jumps out of the plane.

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He thinks it's going to go out over the Gulf and it'll crash and it'll be lost. It actually runs out of because he opens the door and the drag is on the plane caused it to burn more fuel trying to get back up. And so it runs out of fuel a few miles early of the golf crashes in the wooded area.

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They find out immediately like the wind, everything's torn off this plane, but the windshield, which the guy said imploded is in perfect shape. Yeah. There's no blood. Yeah. And there's like a KOA campground Atlas, you know, like it was just they called him in the KOA campsite and like three days later. Anyway, it's a total idiot. But he was he's a pathological liar.

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I mean, that's not me saying it. That's like the government's government, the government's employee, everybody in the government's psychiatrist saying it, everybody. And he was married to this woman for like 15 years. And she just, you know, anything that would go wrong with him, with most pathological liars, because I did a bunch of research on it, right?

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I've read like three books, a bunch of research material, which is 20, 30 pages long, these little pamphlets that they put out on their research. And so if a woman... So if a man, and I saw this with him because I interviewed him, of course, for months, and I would paint him into a corner like, bro, you said this, you said this, I got this, I got this, I got this.

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And he would, he'd go, he'd get angry. He'd go, you know what? I don't have to fucking put up with this bullshit, bro. I don't have to put up with this. You think I'm lying? Why would I lie? You know what? I'm done talking to you. And he'd walk off to get himself. And then I think that's it. We're done. Right.

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Three days later, he'd walk up to me in the into like the library and go, hey, he'd say, are we when are we meeting again? Nothing happened. Yeah. And so for women, for men, like 95 percent of the time, it's anger. That's their defense mechanism to get out of this uncomfortable situation when their lives are kind of caving in on them. And for women, it's tears. They will typically start crying.

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You don't believe me. How could you do this? And then they'll run off or slam the door, close the door. Just leave me alone. I don't want to talk to you. And you're like, It's more that victim kind of mentality. Right. Because to me, and the other thing about it is I wanted to mention about pathological liars is you keep saying, what is the goal? Why would she lie about that? What's the goal?

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Here's the thing. Did you find all this out later? Later, yeah, later. In real time, yeah. I was going to say, while you're dating her, because obviously something's not right, right?

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There's no money in it. There's no reason for her to lie. It's something. It's trivial. It's stupid. Why would you lie about your past? You understand? Yeah. There are different types of pathological liars. One of it is a it's I'm going to say it wrong. It's basically like a fantastical pathological liar. I'm saying it wrong, though, but it has to do with fantasy. He actually had

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created a couple different versions of his life that he told people throughout, since he was in college, he had told people that he worked at NASA. Not all the time, but he had worked at NASA. He had interned there. He used to fly these T-11 planes. fighter jets that only NASA pilots fly. Then as he got older, it was that he had like the, I forget which one broke up on reentry.

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I think it's Discovery or Enterprise. Whichever one broke up, he was on the team that investigated when they took off and the ice had damaged the wing. And he told NASA that that was an issue. I mean, it was always stuff with NASA. Or the other one he had said was that he had flown like A-10 Warthogs in Operation Desert Storm. He would have been 18 years old.

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There are no, like the youngest fighter pilot in history is like 22 years old. So it's all, and sometimes it was the Army, he's flying for the Army or he's flying F-16s for the Air Force. So it's, you know, it depends on who you talk to, but you talk to somebody and he had told these stories to many, many people.

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There were newspaper articles about, oh, with Marcus, you know, you never know about that guy. You know, he would tell us about flying all these sorties during Operation Desert Storm. And it's like, he wasn't in the military. So there were lots of stories that there was no benefit to the lies he would tell, but he told them because partially it was a way to boost his ego.

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And pathological liars, they've studied them and they get like an endorphin rush by fooling you.

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Like, I mean, so, I mean, but if you're constantly lying about stuff, you know, then every once in a while you're probably going to slip up or somebody's, you're going to bump into some, you know, you're talking to her best friend. At some point, the best friend, you're going to say, oh yeah, you know, this is what she told me the other day. And then she's going to be like,

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that's what's so weird that's what i kind of concluded right that it makes no sense other than you're talking about something and suddenly he would he'd suddenly have a similar story and he'd kind of one up you and then if you totally believed it and started asking it he felt good about that yeah it's like the tricking aspect the the scam or the fraud or the lie becomes the mainly the goal right it's not really about money you're thinking because to me it's like i'll lie to you

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Right. But I have a specific agenda. I need you to believe this so I can make money. I'm not opposed to lying in furtherance of a scam, but I'm not going to lie to you just because. Just lie. Yeah. It would drive me nuts dealing with them.

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It's like, for instance, his wife was – I don't want to say an enabler, but in a way she was – You know, I don't want to say she's not a bad. She wasn't a battered woman, but she had, you know, you're trying to keep this guy on an even keel. First of all, he's paying all the bills. You know, of course, he's also running a Ponzi scheme. But, you know, she's she doesn't really realize that.

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And she's paying. She's living in a.

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three million dollar house yeah we've got two planes they've got brand new vehicles their kids are in private school like she's living the life right like and periodically he gets upset or if i start to question him so she just stops kind of questioning him because kind of yeah i never really catch him and he wouldn't admit it anyway and what's the goal here like

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So you really, exactly what it is. It's just going to keep lying. They're not going to say, never going to get like a moment of like, Oh, like, Oh, here, this is everything.

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She's never going to say. You got me. Listen, I was just totally lying about that. And I don't know why I do, you know.

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Listen, this is the funniest thing. First of all, you couldn't embarrass this guy, Shrinker. You couldn't embarrass him. And listen, I was locked up for a long time. So I've known lots of pathological liars, you know, lots of guys. But. the funniest thing with him, and then I'll get off that, and we can keep going forward. You'll like this explanation.

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So one time, keep in mind, I've ordered all of his documents, because I don't believe anything he says. I'm writing a book on him, but I don't believe you. I'm going through, you're telling me some stuff. And so I've ordered all the Freedom of Information Act. I've ordered his public records, everything. I have a stack of paperwork. So one day I come to him and I say, hey, listen, so at this point,

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um, is this when they start, when you, you were, cause he's kind of telling me the story chronologically. And I said, at this point, like, this is when you start getting sued. Right. And he goes, Matt, I was never sued. And I went, no, no, you were sued. I mean, the newspapers, they, they said you were sued. And, and he goes, Matt, they, they lie. They lied. They lied about them.

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They lied about you. And I went, no, they didn't. I wasn't thrilled with what they said, but they didn't lie. So they were pretty close. It was almost questionable. My Audi wasn't gray, it was silver. But anyway, so, and I was like, what do you mean you were? And then, and of course I know the lie's coming. So now I know, I go, I said, so you were never personally sued. He goes, no.

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That's not what she told me. Or do those things come up and then she just has an explanation and you accept the explanation?

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Were you ever sued on behalf of the company? Because he owned a wealth management company. He goes, no. And then I went, was the company ever sued? He goes, no, you think I would know if we were sued? And I went, right. I said, so here's the thing, Mutual Life sued you and I have the documents. Right, you know, that's it, 100%. I have where it was served, he signed it.

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Like, I'm like, you were signed, you served here, you're signed here. That's exactly. And I go, they wanted $1.5 million of their money back, their commissions back. And he goes, what, what? where did you get this? Yeah, you made this up. And I go, I said, well, that's not it. And he goes, no, I, yeah, no, no, I never should have been, I should, this was, this is not accurate. And I went, okay.

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I said, is that the only one? He's like, yeah, no, this is it. I go, okay, boom. Heritage Wealth Management was sued by AG Life such and such. They want $4.5 million of their commission money back. He goes, no, I never should have been sued here. And I'm like, okay. And then I pull out like four of them in a row. Boom, boom, boom. And I go, and he goes, oh, okay, okay.

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He goes, I understand why you're confused. I go, I'm confused because you're lying. And he goes, he said, no, I get it. I get it. He said, yeah, Matt. He said, they sued the company. I said, no, no, they sued you individually. They said you as the CEO of the company and they sued the company. And he just said every one of those was untrue. And I said, so they sued all of them. He goes, Matt.

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Silly you. He goes, Matt, I owned a large wealth management company. He goes, of course we were sued. We were sued all the time. He goes, it would be ridiculous if we weren't sued. And I went, oh, okay. I said, so tell me about the first one. Because there's no reason to get into a dispute about that at this point. He's going to just lie.

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And I go, tell me about the first time you were sued on this one. He's like, oh, okay. We'll see what happened with this one. And he starts explaining it. And it's just like, do you understand it? Within a minute and a half, you went from Matt, we've never been sued. I would obviously know that too. Of course we were sued. We were sued all the time. It would be ridiculous if we weren't sued.

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Yeah, exactly. And not embarrassed. There's no embarrassment in his face. He just kept right on going.

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And like you said, it kind of just wore you down.

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Like why, why would shrink or say he was a fighter pilot? Keep in mind too, this guy's got a degree in aeronautics. He owns a wealth management company. He lives in a two or three, like a $3 million house. He has two airplanes. He's a stunt pilot. Like you're a top tier individual. You don't have to lie and say, oh yeah. And I used to fly fighter jets and I used to work for NASA.

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Like you're already top tier. Right. Like everybody's already impressed. Right. Beautiful wife, gorgeous kids making money.

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Yeah. Literally. I'm pretty sure she sat in that lobby, counted the money. It was like, all right, probably leave now.

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Well, did you ever see a dirty John?

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Dirty John, the guy would – he was – well, one, he's stealing from – well, he was like a nurse or something. I forget. But he would – but he said he was like a doctor. And he would go to different hospitals. And, you know, you walk in and so she – that – The woman can walk in, and he's in there in the waiting room, you know, or talking to somebody and walking out. Hey, what's going on?

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Are you realizing, like, at this point, like, she's – you're starting to – how long have you been married? So that would have been three – two years, two and a half years. Two and a half years with this chick. At this point, was there a little part of you that thought – Yes. Yeah. Should have. Yeah.

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Cancer. That's horrible. Yeah. Yeah. At that point. Yeah. I mean, obviously I have like a bit, a lot of mixed emotions for sure.

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Yeah. But you also think she's in the middle of, you also think she's in the middle of. of a cancer treatment, right?

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So what's the benefit? Like, is she, is she raising money? So she's saying, Hey, I need donations or.

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And so how $12,000, how, how did she get this guy for 12 grand?

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And walks out, and he looks like a doctor. He acts like a doctor. I drop him off at the hospital. He's in the hospital all the time. But there's other – I was going to say – a common thing to use for like con men is what do you call it? They call them HQs, headquarters. They have them in every city where it's a virtual office, right? So you can pay, you can pay,

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The combination, but the combination of that plus putting people off.

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a fee to have them answer your phones as whatever business you want so they'll say hey express tax services um oh i'm sorry you know mr johnson isn't in right now or oh hold on let me see if i can transfer you and they'll put you on hold and they'll call your cell phone say hey so and so's on the line do you want me to transfer them yes you pay like 120 bucks oh really yeah and they'll and then they that will charge you per minute after so many minutes but if you want to meet somebody there

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Is she traveling up to Jacksonville?

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So now you can't go up there and talk to the doctor.

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You didn't go in the comment and say, listen, I don't care what you're doing on Twitter right now or on Facebook. on TikTok right now, but when I get home, my dinner better be ready.

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Well, what's going on with the cancer?

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You can go there. You can rent an office. You can rent a conference room. And so when the person shows up and they say, hi, I'm here to see Mr. Johnson, they'll go, oh, hold on a second. He's in his office. And they click. So it's almost like they're working. They're helping the scam.

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It was something that was sent to her and then forwarded to you.

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I mean, that's why I'm just like, are any of them coming to you saying, listen, this chick's always been a train wreck.

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Or they'll pick you up. Well, follow me. They'll lead you down there. Can I get you a Coke? No, Jennifer, we're good. Talk to them in the office for a minute or whatever, or you'll walk out of the office and say, hey, but let's talk in the conference room. So people are walking by. It's this massive office on the 22nd floor. Like, obviously, you're legit.

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What are you doing with her? Yeah. Yeah.

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Oh, she just left the... A trail of destruction. A trail of destruction. There's tons of other homeless guys wandering around right now.

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Assuming the marriage starts to deteriorate at that point, because that was probably a big draw for her. You know what I'm saying?

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Kudos to Gary. I'm sure it didn't work out for him.

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Yeah, so the operation looks like that.

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If she watches this, she can use it.

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In my indictment, they call him – he's on to his next victim.

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There's actually a movie called – oh, gosh –

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empire and the the guy that cons this guy out of several million dollars he uses that and so when he disappears the guy he that got ripped off shows up at the office and walks in there he's like hey is tim here and they're like tim who tim you know bradley she's like who and then he named he's like he owns the whole he this is his office he owns this whole place and she's like

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oh, no, sir, this is a rent space. We rent offices. And then she's like, what's this? And then it says the name of the corporation or the business, and she's like... Oh, yeah, yeah, no, they were here for a few months. Yeah, no, no, they didn't renew their lease. Like they set it up for, yeah, a certain amount of time. Yeah, no, this is like stuff.

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Gary probably feels like he saved her life.

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Like, I mean, I was going to say, I mean, if there was ever a case for a man for abuse, people have said that online.

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sick i don't you know this reminds me of there's a i saw this on on like tiktok or something story where this this guy is this old a guy who's like whatever 60 year old walks in with like a 25 year old into a to buy jewelry to a jewelry shop and he goes in there and he says, he says, listen, I'm, I want to buy her a ring, an engagement ring. And the jeweler comes back and he's like, okay.

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And he shows her like a one carat. He goes, no, no, I want something special for my girl here. Comes back with like a three carat. He's like, that's not, that's not big enough. And she's just like, oh my God. Comes back with like an 11 carat diamond. And she tries it on and, He says, that's the one. How much is it? Tells him how much it is. Oh, it's $45,000 or $80,000, whatever it is.

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Yeah, but when the guy meets him there, he walks up, he's like, hey, Jennifer, do you want anything to drink? And he's like, oh, no, I'm good. He's like, Jennifer, can you get me a such and such? She's like, sure. Gets up. Like, you think they know each other?

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I don't know how much diamonds cost, but it's $80,000. He says, listen. you know, you need to get her size. Okay. We'll size it. Well, this, he says, listen, I'm going to write you a check right now. We'll cut. We're going to come back on Monday and get the ring. Once you've got a size and the check goes through, I know it's Saturday. So, and you know, or Friday, whatever.

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It's Monday holiday helps. And he leaves with the girl. She's thrilled. And then on, on Monday, the, The jeweler calls the old man and says, hey, hey, listen, man, your check bounced like nothing's ever bounced before. He's like, there's no money in that account. He goes, yeah, I know. But let me tell you about this weekend I just had.

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The second this is the reception, we know each other. from the whole outside it seems like the legit business because most people do not right and I would say this most people are not hyper aware or alert for fraud. They just don't, they don't think it. They want what you're saying to be true. They don't even question it.

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To me. I was playing pretty good that day, though.

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It always kills me when people say, when people are like, you know, well, my wife's having surgery. I need to be there. I'm like, to assist?

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You might as well come to work. We'll go play golf.

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So if you do have a question, you go, I thought you said this the other day. They're not thinking, gotcha. They're just thinking, I thought you said that you, yeah, I thought you said you had a mishabishi. Did I say a mishabishi? No. And you're like, oh, I must have misunderstood.

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I spent the last six hours at the bar.

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I was like, I was like, yeah, Dr. Rosenthal. Yeah.

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Was there ever a moment lying in bed at night and you thought some chloroform and a large suitcase and I could come out of this looking pretty sweet?

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Right. Especially, she's a pretty girl. She's nice. You're both interested in the same thing. I want what you're saying to be true. Exactly.

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Yeah. What's wrong with Todd? Yeah.

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Like, so this is, listen, my buddy, uh, Boziak had a girlfriend that contacted every single girl. on his Instagram and told them that she had caught him like in bed with like, like a high, like a, like a, like a middle schooler or something and that they broke up and he's disgusting and he's this, he's that.

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I mean, oh, I knew I had a girlfriend one time where her mother, when she broke up with the boyfriend, told the two daughters that she caught him in bed with another man. And then two weeks later, they're back together. Oh my gosh. And she's like, What about him and Bob? Like what? Oh, it's, I was a misunderstanding on my part. You said. Yeah.

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Didn't sound like a misunderstanding from what you described.

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To look at, we'll see. It's, it's no big, you know, like I said, they don't get embarrassed. They don't, they don't, they don't feel embarrassment.

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Yeah. She's getting evicted, actually.

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Where are the other kids? Like, where are all four kids with you?

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And so when you get divorced, is that how that works out? The judge awards you?

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And she's got multiple evictions on her.

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What's the coffee shop. Yeah. And, and doesn't she get arrested for, uh, for like check fraud or something?

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And so what they, did she, they, she'd go back to the bank and they called the police when she grabbed them bank or.

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Oh yeah. I forgot. Like there's a, sorry, I messed that timeline up badly, but yeah, that was fine.

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Cause let's face it. If she was 60 pounds overweight and unattractive, it'd be like, good luck to you.

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Sounds like a problem. Tough one. Yeah.

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Well, you would think if they got the FBI involved in that, they would tie it into yours.

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Yeah, like, hey, this woman's... This is a serial... scam artists or whatever you want to call it. You know, serial frauds are like, you know, and you're, there's multiple men involved and you're one of them. Yes. You know, and you've got a ton of documentation too. I don't know if everybody else does, but.

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She's a fighter. You've got to admit that.

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I don't know anybody that's going stage four cancer.

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Two years. Years into it. She looks, it's looking better and better. Yeah.

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I'm visiting my mother in Ocala and you're like, no, you're in Miami. Yeah.

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So where – the question is where were you when she did the – when that video came out? The cupcake. Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, because everything at this point – Do you want the lead up to it? Yeah, yeah. I was going to say – but I was going to say at this point, didn't she kind of – not out of your life, but as it's moving in that direction.

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Can you find the video? Are you going to play the video?

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So it did take, how did you find that? I mean, how'd you even find out somebody sent it to you?

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Oh, I figured that was going to become a sin. Yeah. You know, that's all there. And you're not going to believe this. Yes. Yeah. On top of it.

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Yeah, exactly. Wow. I just beat it too. I know. It's crazy. It was just a revision. Yes.

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i don't know fbi investigation like right i didn't know what if i should well plus it's better the more money she gets donated like i don't want to stop people potentially the more money she has donated when when the fbi finds out that's a fake charity and yeah oh no they'll be like oh the more money she got the higher her the higher i was gonna say the more months she's doing in prison

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You guys will lose a couple hundred bucks a piece, but yeah, they're going to get it. Yeah.

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Because I saw this one thing where they were talking about. Oh, no. Was it the two women? The website. They mentioned it's in Clearwater. It is the home of Scientology. I thought, boy, that ties in pretty good.

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And I saw some, like some of them were the, the one where some of these women were just talking about her, like everything she said was gospel. And then they were like, like we said about the pictures of like, He says that she doesn't have custody of the kids and never sees them. Well, that's not true. She obviously has custody because we've seen photos of her with her children.

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It's like, what does that fucking mean? It's not like he's not letting her see the kids. I mean, she can see the kids. A photo doesn't prove the truth of it. What was the other thing that... Oh, gosh, there was another one where they were... Oh, and then they completely... disregarded the cancer thing. No, they don't even address it. Well, she's not perfect. She's not perfect. She's a fraudster.

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I know fraudsters. She's a fraudster.

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That's not a mistake. Trust me. You can't go in front of the judge and say, Your Honor, we all make mistakes.

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How many times have you faked cancer? Right. We all do it. Yeah, exactly.

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I feel like there's a... It may be just a brain tumor.

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Like, man, you don't know the help there.

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Some people go to NASCAR to see a crash.

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Like, you know, there's such scumbags and, and people are brazen in the, you know, in the comments. And, I mean, there'll be guys that will come on here and tell their story. And like, I've seen three articles saying that they did this, they did this, you know, all these things. And then guys will write comment in the comment section. They'll write like, he's lying. That never happened.

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I'm like, well, I, I saw his indictment. I know he was released from, you know, prison. Like I can see the release online. There's three articles about it. Like what parts he lying? about. You know what I'm saying? Like you didn't do it. You just, some people just are, they're desperate to get in there and just be abusive as, as you know, as they can be.

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And it's like, you don't, you don't know what's going on. You don't know what the situation is.

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respond to half of them anymore because it's just like they just they want to misunderstand and they want to be you know right in a sense it's like those those women like despite the despite the divorce uh um documents despite the documentation that you're showing despite the cheese at that time she was like what like twenty one thousand dollars behind on child support yeah just despite all this documentation i'm showing you you saw a photo of a couple of kids

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her with a couple of kids that you don't even know are the correct children. And you're saying that that photo... is you're as disproven everything else and that you're now the liar and she's telling the truth. Right. And because you saw a photo, right?

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She said she was, she was cooking her own birthday cake when she was actually cooking. They were actually cupcakes.

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nice yeah one of the hundred but i'll take it right i wonder i wonder if her page is monetized because you know you could monetize a tiktok page yep and then just then she could go on and be just a professional pathological liar and just continue all kinds of lies and she's got a following people will view it and she can talk about how she she could she could work for nasa exactly and that's kind of you know where she started doing is like you know

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Go girl. Remember the girl that said she had an affair with an FBI agent?

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Stalked by the feds. Yes, stalked by the feds. There's a woman stalked by the feds. It's not a real thing. I saw a couple clips on it. Yeah, she's... Well... She says it. She was supposed to come on the program a couple of times and kind of flaked. And I don't think she'll ever come on. I mean, I don't... It's just based on her behavior. She supposedly went to... Where did she go? Was it Thailand?

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Another country. It's somewhere like Thailand. I don't think it is Thailand. But first it was she was being stalked. She started by saying she had had an affair and... And then because she had an affair with an FBI agent who was married, and she told his wife, they started an investigation on her. They were, like, following her, right? Yeah, and accusing her of fraud and started an investigation.

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And it got so bad, she finally just, like, fled. It took months where she was posting. But keep in mind... I'm sure her, it's monetized. Her page is monetized. She's getting millions of views on every single video. So she's now, this is now make funding her lifestyle. So she's continuing it. And she ends up talking about how she's trying to leave the country. And then she does leave the country.

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And now she's doing ones on, is it called gang stalking?

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So it's when you've been targeted by people in general and they start... So groups of people start stalking you. Really? And so... Really? Yeah. I mean, go with it.

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Like you're in another country and you're being targeted by a mass of apparently tons of people are a part of this organization. They start stalking you. Really? Oh, my gosh. They'll stare at you in a restaurant. Everybody, like tons of them, or they'll start following you. They're stalking you.

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So she's basically... is being, you know, it's, what is the term where you're being, you know, plagued or persecuted. So she's got some kind of a, and listen, maybe she had, I don't know. Maybe she did have an affair. Maybe she did tell the wife. Maybe they did start an investigation. Stranger things have happened. But now it's switched to gang stalking.

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And she also, you know, she didn't come on and talk about it. And nobody's, I don't think anybody's ever really seen any proof. And some of the videos, you know, She would take her phone and zoom in on like a car. And she's like, that car's been parked there for three days. They're watching me. I'm like, first of all, if they're watching you from the distance, they're not great at it.

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Like this car is three football fields away. And it looks like it's just parked in front of somebody's house. Like, I mean, you can't just randomly pick cars and say it's FBI cars.

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I don't know what they look like, but I don't see like this car you would think would be closer. I don't think these people would know if you left your house. Exactly. They're not doing a good job over there. No, they're horrible at surveillance. But she and so she started sounding crazy.

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But now, yeah, she's in another country talking about gang stalking and that she's being targeted by gang stalking. And I'm sure she's related it to connected it to the FBI office.

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It's the new agency that is continuing the investigation.

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4,800 ways. 4,800, but if the channel is monetized, she could be making $5,000 or $10,000 or $15,000. I think the TikTok...

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tiktok anymore so who knows could be another change of policies recently yeah yeah yeah they're not they're not being so okay with you um uh with the uh fraudulent they're more yeah they're a little they're a little bit more tighter yeah and it's so it's so vague and so hard to get in answers they can pretty much do what they want yeah most likely so yeah but she's she's she's out there she's it but i'm saying you've been in contact with her

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Yeah, that woman. Yeah, I've talked to her several times. I think I talked to her on the phone once. And then I talked to her probably a week before she was leaving. And we were going to try and do the remote podcast. And then she said, you know what? Once I get there, then the last minute she kind of said, hey, look, let me get there. I'm supposed to have good Wi-Fi, whatever.

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So then she gets there. And she says, okay, I think the Wi-Fi is okay, but I don't have a laptop. And I was like, okay, you really need a laptop. You really just can't. You can do it off your phone, but there's major problems involved. Right. And it's just a much more smoother process. And I'm not hurting for content. You know what I'm saying?

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So I'm like, well, and she's like, give me a couple of days and I will get a laptop. Then she was a couple of days later, she was going to get a laptop. Then she couldn't get it. Then she was going to borrow a laptop. And I'm thinking, who are you borrowing a laptop?

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You've been in this country for a week. Out of country, yeah. You know?

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Then it was, I don't think the Wi-Fi is very good here. I was like, I thought the Wi-Fi was amazing there. And then it just got to a point where I was tired of going, like, this is not this worth it. I could have scheduled three other people. Yeah.

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And you're in this world so much. You probably know it.

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Yeah, I have a pretty good sense about people. And we always say, too, is that if they're a problem from the very get-go, you know what I'm saying, they're a nightmare about getting them here. It's like typically it's very – the guys that you know are going to show up that I feel confident are going to show is the guy that he texts you. He says, hey.

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He gives you three paragraphs on his story, schedules a time to talk to you. You talk to him on the phone. He can tell you his whole story in a five-minute version, five or ten minutes. He says, hey, I can be here at this time, this time. You say, yes. He says, great, no problem. I will be there. And you can feel the confidence and you know, I don't have to hold this guy's hand.

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And I don't like that either. I can't stand that when it's like. Well, you got a lot of stuff going on. Yeah. Well, and, but I, you know, when the guys look, where am I going to, where am I going to, what, what, how much is the airplane cost? And, and, and, and is there, you know, are you going to pick me up? And you get, listen, but you're a grown man. Yeah. You can get yourself here. Yeah.

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Call the airline. You're flying into Tampa international airport. I'm 25 minutes from the airport. Get yourself an Uber.

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I'm pretty sure if Joe Rogan was going to have you on, you wouldn't expect, you know, I'll just show, listen.

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Yeah. When Lex Friedman was like, look, I'll be at this hotel at this time. I'll meet you in the lobby. Got it.

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Hold up the phone. I don't need to know anything else. I will text you when I'm in the lobby. So, but yeah, so, and we, we'd schedule about seven a week to get three or four people just to show up. Yeah. That many people cancel, you know?

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Well, I know with my kids, I have like all those things.

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And I, I, and they, and here, look, sometimes things happen. Somebody gets into an accident, something happens, right? You know, yours was the kids. That's another thing when I was watching the videos is, he, this, he, that. And I'm like, well, I know he's got the kids because we've had many conversations where you're like, look, let me call the, let me see if I can get off on this day.

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Yeah. So was it fast just because she was like super cool and interesting and amazing?

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You're basically like a child. If you go out and adopt an animal that you cannot take care of and then you're just giving it back to the pound, then you go buy another animal and you take care of it until it's a problem and then you just abandon it and give it back to the pound. You abandon, go get another animal. Like, what are you doing? Like you're, that's a child mentality.

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I am going to ask my wife to see our bank account. As you've been talking, I've been thinking, I've never checked on our bank account.

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She tells me like, oh yeah, this and that. It's probably good.

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yeah um yeah i wouldn't i definitely definitely would not would not try and and the problem is go her going through it's unlikely she makes the effort to go through the courts because that's a cumbersome process so and she doesn't seem like somebody who's wants to put that much effort into right and just like you were saying like you know you bring them over bring the kids over there and she's like hey can you do this can you no

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This is what being a parent is. Right.

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I'm sitting here so that you don't take off with my kids.

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So what's funny is I had read that they actually have medication that they will put like pathological liars on, but it's kind of like people that they put on bipolar medication. I'm not saying it's the same medication, but same effects kind of thing. Well, what I'm saying is bipolars, there's medication that helps not get rid of it, but it, you know, it, it helps mitigate the, um,

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uh, you know, control the, uh, you know, the flare ups, let's say the problem is, is that it, is that it feels good to be bipolar. It feels good. The ups, you know, they feel good and you don't get the ups anymore. Right. And so what happens is after a few weeks or a month or two, when they've been on it, they, they start wanting that feeling.

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They miss that and they don't want to take the medication. Same thing with the pathological liars there's medication that i don't know exactly what it does but whatever it does is it it allows you to control this impulse to lie the pathology or whatever so you no longer feel compelled to do it as much and you can get control of it but you don't feel good anymore.

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So you don't get that excitement and that thrill. And now you're, you're almost feel because of that, because it is such an endorphin rush. You start, you almost feel depressed.

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I wouldn't want to feel depressed. Right. Give me a month or so of feeling depressed. I'd be like, man, I'm not taking that medication anymore. Right. And that's the problem is they don't want to take the medication.

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Yeah. I mean, I don't know if that's even a normal treatment. I just know that when I was reading the research, they were talking about how they could put them on this type of a drug. And they said the problem with that drug is that once it levels them off. they immediately want to get off the medication because they no longer have that endorphin rush at all.

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I was going to say, they're not feeling alive in a sense.

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Right, which to me, I thought, oh, wow, that's the same thing with bipolar. Because I know people that are bipolar. The chick I was on the run with was bipolar, and I made her go to a psychiatrist. She got...

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prescribed the medication and multiple times she'd get on it within five or six weeks she'd stop taking it she and she'd be like i thought i was better i i don't like the way it makes me feel and then three months later i'd be like look i'm i'm leaving you yeah and then she'd get back on it and six weeks later she's off it again and that's probably almost as bad too right oh i could tell i could tell because she was insane yeah i could i could sense it like i could you could sense that

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You're like, I can tell you're about to be off this.

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Yeah, I could tell, like, oh, you're just barely holding it together. I could feel the tension right now in the air.

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Pick up on those cues. It's funny. It's like my dad was an alcoholic, and he would go on drunk, and he'd get sober for six months or a year. And before anybody knew... Really, before there was real evidence that he's drunk. You know, like he's slurring his words. Right.

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Within a day or two before that, when he's... Because initially he could drink for a day or two before you really noticed anything. He's not going to binge. But you could feel it. You could walk in and just... You'd be like... The energy's off. Yes. Like, something's up. Like, he's off. He's not... acting like he's a drunken and screaming lunatic and angry and everything like normal.

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But you can feel that tension in the air. You could feel it within a day or two. And then within a day or two, he's definitely slurring his words.

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You're a fucking liar. You're like, I fucking knew this two days ago.

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Two days ago, you were fucking going to be alone. I stepped out for a couple of days.

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It's all this coming. It's time to go visit for a couple of weeks. Let's get this out of your system. Wait for you to end up in the rehab again.

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Yeah, but it's the same thing. I wonder if that's part of their thing, or do they just say, no, you're going to go. But going to a psychiatrist or a psychologist or something, these people aren't changing. It's hardwired in.

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And like with most mental health issues, as you get older, it tends to get worse and worse. Like when you're younger... you know, most people are, it's, you know, it's like with bipolar condition, you don't notice it that bad as when they're young and they're teenagers, it's when they get to be 20, 34. And by the time they're in their fifties, like they've, they're on the street. Yeah.

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I was going to say their whole life prison.

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They got nobody, no family, but nobody wants anything. They've, they've just, and they're just lunatics. Yeah. I was going to say that the life has just been imploded. Yeah. Yeah, it's the same thing.

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It's the same thing with like schizophrenics, you know, like they're borderline in their 20s, but by their 30s, 40s, by their 50s, they're screaming at traffic and they're standing in the middle of intersections with a tinfoil hat screaming at fucking traffic. Yeah. You're hiding from aliens. You're full-blown. The progression. There's no downtime for you at this point. It's straight insanity.

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It's treatable with what medication?

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Right.

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What was the significance of Leah?

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Not very divinely inspired.

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So I have a question. Did you ever see the series Big Love?

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Are they supposed to be Mormon?

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Yes.

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Oh, okay. Sorry. No, it's, um, uh, Big Love, which first aired in 2016, whatever, starred Bill Paxton as a member of the fictional breakaway Mormon sect.

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There's a fictional breakaway Mormon sect.

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Three wives and eight children, blah, blah, blah, blah. Yeah.

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They seem very, malleable. You know what I'm saying? It's not like, you know what I'm saying? They're very like, it's like, this is our rules. What? We don't have to stick with that one. We can give up that one. Like they're, they're, they're willing to make some changes for the betterment of, of the overall, of the church.

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They're modernizing, keeping up with times. yeah yeah i i have a feeling that joseph smith would have done the same i don't disagree i mean i think he would have been like he he was smart con man wait a minute yeah god just told me yes we're going with this new fashion we're going to set back a little bit yep the game's on we don't have to go four hours on sundays that's crazy it's football season

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What is petting?

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That was your job?

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Oh, okay.

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No, I didn't get that email.

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When?

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Okay.

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It's very American religion, huh?

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Well, the United States has never been invaded too.

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Well, I was going to say we're also the United States, we're isolated. It's pretty hard to

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So, okay. So you're married to the second husband and what is there? I mean, you've turned down a record deal.

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What happens then?

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I mean, I, I'm fair. I have a a very basic understanding that he found these plates and they were gold plates and he only, he could read them. And so I have the, you know, and that's how the book of Mormon was written by him transcribing the plates.

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This is a lot of work.

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What was prop eight?

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Okay.

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And I'm sorry, are there a lot of, are there a lot of, um, California Mormons.

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Right.

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What happened with your husband? What did he say?

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Okay.

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I'm sorry. Did did anybody your bishop come to see you? Did anybody any calls?

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So I think I mentioned Andrew Smith Levy early, I'm sorry, Aaron Smith Levy. I don't know if we had, I don't know if we talked to that. I mentioned him before. Yes. Okay. So that won't be a, nobody will know that. So he wasn't Mormon. He was a Scientologist.

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So when he left, he and his wife left. The church, basically, they... I don't think they call it shunning, but they have a... They call it... Nope, it's not shunning.

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Non-person or something like that.

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Literally, like his... His... You know, his mother was told not to talk to him anymore. His... his father and mother-in-law like, and what's so funny is like, I think they owned a house like across the street from his. And so they would come over and it's actually sad when he tells it. So I shouldn't say it's funny, but it's, it's, it's an odd situation.

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They would come over like, like the house that people would move out renters and they would have to go over there to clean it up and fix it up. And so, they would go over there and his kids would try and go over and see, oh, there's grandma and grandpa. And they would wanna go see them.

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And Aaron's like, I don't wanna tell them not to, but basically if they went across the street to try and go see him, like they would like go in the house and close the door and not answer the door.

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Right. And then, so he went on a campaign where he sticks like a sign in his front yard. And every time somebody comes to see the house, he goes over there and says, you know, well, first it was Mormons that they're, I'm sorry, not, I'm sorry. It was Scientologists they were trying to sell them to because they like wanted to sell to other Scientologists.

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And he would go out there and he would say, hey, just want to let you know, not in person, living across the street. And they would be like, yeah, I'm not interested in being involved in this. I think eventually they ended up selling it to somebody who was a, like they couldn't rent it. They couldn't sell it. Eventually they sold it to somebody who wasn't in the church.

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Like they had to get permission. Right. But they really went out of the way. They got him fired from his job. They went so far out of their way to make his life miserable. He started a YouTube channel. And I mean, I promise you, they have regretted. Oh, yeah. He's like, all they had to do was be like, hey, I get it. That's fine. We're not going to put this restraint on you.

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But instead, they picked the fight with the wrong person.

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He's a huge thorn in their side.

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I mean, at some point you would think the church would have to kind of go.

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We're going to have to loosen the reins on this here.

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Um, so what was your, so was your husband ever, um, did he ever say like, Hey, why don't we go back? Or is this an issue? Or is he, he was just kind of like, listen, I was just going.

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I mean, that's all religion. If you're born into a Jewish family, about a 99% chance you're going to follow the Jewish faith, the Catholic faith, Christian faith. Yes. Just in general, that's a thing. Yeah, that's a story.

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It's funny. I had gone on a date one time with a woman that was a Scientologist. And, you know, we hung out for we spent two or three hours together.

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And I was like, it's funny, too, because when I was we were late when we were, I was dropping her at her car. She goes, I really, really would like to see you again. But I told her on the first date that I'd been in prison. Oh, and she said, and I was I was like, Yeah, me too. This was great. And she said, um, and keep in mind, it was COVID.

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so you know nothing happened because the church or the scientologists were so you know they were following all the rules to the max oh i didn't know that okay extreme you know they didn't want to get in there and ravish their the community whatever oh so you know so we did nothing happen like we you know and she explained going there like listen like

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We're going to go, you know, I'm going to go, but I want you to let you know, here's where I'm at. Here's what's going on. I was like, yeah, yeah, that's fine. So we went out to dinner and I mentioned to her what was, you know, my thing. And so she was like, I really want to see you again. Like, this was so great. We had so much time, you know, so much fun.

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And she was like, I said, okay, well, you want to do it on, you know, what about Thursday? And she went, so I have to ask my, and I forget who that person was, what they called him, like her guidance, whatever.

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oh it's like a monitor or something like that yeah right somebody yeah and she said um she said but i i don't she's pretty cool i don't think it's gonna be a problem i said oh okay and she said okay she said well you know i'll call you tomorrow i'll let you know and well i'm sure we'll schedule something but you know let's give me give me a minute no problem next day she was like wow hey so we're gonna be friends

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And she's like, yeah. And I said, well, what happened? She's like, yeah, I'm not really supposed to get into it. I'm not supposed to discuss church business or, you know, things that happen. She said, but yeah. She said, it's a hard no. So I said, what did the guy say? She's like, yeah, I can't say what we, those are confidential.

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Oh, she told him, hey, look, I like this guy, but by the way, he was in prison.

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and and that was it oh i'm sure that was it because other than that she you know keep in mind she'd been married to a guy like she was born a scientologist and raised scientologist her parents were scientologists all the way she knows the scientologist she had actually met a muslim and married him which she married him for like 10 years huh So she's like, you know, they don't have a problem.

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She's like, it's not that you're not a Scientologist. She said, it's because she had already told me, she said the prison thing might be a problem because they're very concerned about like status.

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Appearances, status, that sort of thing. I was like, okay. And she said, and I was like, is it because I'm not a Scientologist? Would that be a problem? And she said, no, that wouldn't be a problem at all. She said, be honest. She said, matter of fact, she said I was married to, you know,

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To this guy. And I was like, okay. And she said, yeah. So she said, I don't think it's going to be an issue. She said, it might be, but I don't think so. Well, I think what happened, of course, is that, you know, if you look me up, it's an issue. And keep in mind, this was like three, four years ago. My wife and I had been, you know, it was my girlfriend at the time.

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We had been dating and we broke up for like, you know, two or three weeks.

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which of course she says is not enough time for me to have gone on another date. And I'm like, oh, you're wrong about that. I was pissed. It took me all three days to get on a couple of apps and start. So if you're thinking, oh, there's a grace period, yeah, it's when the door closes. So she gets furious.

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Anyway, so yeah, so that during that three weeks, I went on that date with that chick. It was so funny, too, because I remember one time. I was driving like this is whatever we just gotten back together. And I was driving and I had, you know, in the dash, you know how you have the screen, right?

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So we're going somewhere and I'm following the I'm following the map. And I go, and as I'm driving, I said, well, what does it say? How far is it? And she leans into the map to look at it, to kind of like move it around to see how far or something. And she starts to do it. And when I would get a text notification, it would drop down. And the girl's name was Jen.

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It went, and Jen, hey, what are you doing? My wife was like, she goes, she goes, turn around. I said, I'm not turning around.

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I'm not turning around. You can leave from the restaurant if you want, but I'm going to get breakfast. Yeah. She was okay by the time we got there, but that always kills me. She's so mad.

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Are you still a singer?

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Well, and, and, how long ago, when and why did you start your YouTube channel? Do you have a true crime? What do you call it? A true crime YouTube channel?

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Well, one, she was saying to make the meal, but you probably just talk about the meal. It's like the last meal that different serial killers asked for.

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But so that turned into, what do you typically go over now?

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The Heaven's Gate?

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Are you kidding me? It's a great book. It's only, it's a couple hundred pages long. It's so overwhelmingly interesting, especially, you know, because the guy's from a cult.

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I'm sorry, has your husband read it?

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Oh, if you read the first chapter of this book or the first, whatever, 10 pages, you'll be like, oh, wow, it's, you know, Polnicek is the guy that wrote Fight Club.

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It's honestly, it may be better than Fight Club.

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All about a guy that was a part of kind of like a cult. And what they do is it's like the eldest son, when he reaches 18, they're basically trained all their lives on how to be domestic servants.

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So what the oldest, and they have like eight or 10 kids and they live on a compound. And what they do is they send off the oldest 18 year old, when the oldest son gets sent off into society to make money and they send the money back.

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And so they go live with these multimillion, you know, in these multimillion dollar homes with these millionaires who use them as servants. And they know that, They just have to feed them and they send all the money back. And so that's how they make all their money to support their life on this compound.

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And they're always talking about the apocalypse and that they need to survive until the apocalypse and then they'll, whatever, or Armageddon. So the idea is that if Armageddon happens and the government comes for them, And they're all going to commit, you know, they're all going to commit. And so, and all the domestic servants have to do it too.

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Right. So you go, you found, also you find out like the whole, the whole compound or community, you know, 10,000 or 20,000, I mean, there are, they've all committed. And then, so then all the servants or the, that are out there, the survivors are, As they find out, they start committing. He ends up being the lone survivor as people are dying.

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And like the government gives all of them, like not probation, like social workers that have to check on them constantly. Are you feeling okay?

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Oh, yeah.

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So I'm telling you, read the book.

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It's very fast paced. Very fast paced.

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No, just like the church thing. Like we go to a church, my wife and I, and it's about it's just about each sermon is just about, or whatever, you know, I'm Catholic. So I grew up Catholic. So I always want to say mass, but anyway, every whatever service is roughly an hour to an hour and five minutes, 10 minutes, not too long. But to me, my wife knows this about me.

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We'll go, you know, we'll go on an airboat down the river. She likes to do stuff like outdoor stuff and it'll be like three hours.

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And she's like, you know, you want to get the whole experience. I'm like, I got the whole experience in 45 minutes. And listen, at 45 minutes, that's perfect for church. I can do 40, because the last 15 minutes, it's agony. I'm doing this.

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No, I'm dying. It's bad.

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Me too.

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i need i still need to find that i haven't found that yet but i'm always looking we'll see it's funny because you know we both my wife also she did five years in prison and um we actually met in the halfway house so so um But so in the church, they'd have their pitch like, hey, we have all these outreach programs.

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We do this and we do that and we raise money for this and we raise clothes and food and this, and they have one for prison. And so my wife sent an email the other day saying, listen, we want to do that. And she's like, do you want to do it? I said, absolutely. I said, if it's after five o'clock and we can go there, like during the weekend, that's what, because I have a problem after five o'clock.

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I want to, I just munch all night. I eat, I eat this, I eat that. I just, I'm always snacking on them. And so I'm like, listen, we'll lose weight. If we give me one or two days a week and we go there and we don't, I won't be eating for a few hours. I'll come home, go to bed.

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right so she said um she's like okay okay so she wrote an email and never got a response and i and she said i wonder why they haven't responded like it doesn't make sense i said because it's all a scam it's just for looks i said i don't even have a they probably don't even have an outreach program for prison it just sounds good oh that would be really shitty really i know right yeah that would be really bad i'm gonna write another email i'm gonna write one that's my beef with um

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No, it's like the temple is like the church, right?

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The Kansas City Massacre thing, though, that's the one that actually made him go on the run. And, uh, he was with Adam Reschetti at the time. And, uh, Adam and him. And they had a couple of gun malls, a couple of girlfriends that they traveled with. Rose and Beulah Baird. And they were sisters. And they hooked up with them at some point between Kansas City. And then they left.

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When Floyd found out they were after him, you know, now for this thing that happened in Kansas City, he and Adam Reschetti hooked up and they went to Buffalo, New York. So they end up and they take Rosenbula with them. So they go up to Buffalo, New York, and they hide out there for like a year and they don't do anything. They don't get in any trouble. They don't they don't rob any banks.

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They just lay low up in Buffalo, New York. And after that year, they decided they're going to try to go home. They want to go back to Oklahoma.

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so maybe they forgot about it yeah yeah well after a year and they still didn't catch them so so they're going to try to make their way back home and uh so the lincoln highway was huge you know at that time that was the main thoroughfare to get you across the country was the lincoln highway still is today we just have different names for the roadways today you know but that route 30

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Lincoln Highway they come back through they decided well Floyd gives Viola who was his girlfriend Rose was Adams girlfriend but they give Viola money and she goes and buys a 1928 Chevy coach blue in color and it was a really nice looking car and she buys it and they decide they're going to drive back so they start out towards Lake Erie and they come down today it's Route 11 and

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southbound, which was Route 30 then, and the Lincoln Highway, and they just come down through. They really have no ties to East Liverpool per se, but the Lincoln Highway comes right through here, so they end up... Coming down through, and it's a Sunday morning, about 3 o'clock. And East Liverpool, Ohio, is right on the river. We literally are a river town.

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We're two minutes from West Virginia, and we're five minutes from Pennsylvania. So we are actually a tri-state area in essence. I mean, you're able to go to three states here in a minute from each other, a couple of minutes from each other. And so Route 30 turns into Route 7. It's still the Lincoln Highway. And right here in East Liverpool is where that exchange takes place.

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And they're headed towards Dillonvale, Ohio, which is Steubenville. OK, we've heard of Steubenville. Dean Martin from Steubenville. So they're headed that way. It's on the other side. It's the north end of Steubenville is Dillonvale. And Adam Ricchetti has a sister that lives there. Her name is Minnie Susik.

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And the idea was that they were going to hook up at Minnie's house, probably get food, gas up, do that kind of thing, and then head right down through Bridgeport, Ohio, which brings you to the southern states, right down the, I think it's Route 70 or 76. It all hooks up there. And that was their route to Oklahoma.

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But what happened is when they come through East Liverpool, and there's a little town three miles down the road from us called Wellsville, Ohio. And you could almost throw a rock and be in Wellsville from here. Route 7 went down. It actually has a name for the road at that section. It's called Koontz Avenue. And they were driving through there. It's 3 o'clock in the morning.

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It's foggy and Floyd's driving the car and he hits a telephone pole and he breaks the axle on the car. He can't see because of the fog from the river. We still get it like that here. And so he hits a telephone pole and he breaks the axle. So he and Adam Ricchetti take the bedrolls. They carried bedrolls with them everywhere they went. And they took those and there was a hillside there.

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We know it as the silver switch. Now, at that time, there was a brickyard that was right there at that intersection and a working brickyard. And it's called Champion Brickworks. And there's a hillside there and a house or two up on top of that hillside. So they climb the hillside with their bedrolls and their guns and they hide out under a section of rocks that's up on that hill.

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And the girls are going to get the car taken care of and then come back and get them. OK, so it's three o'clock in the morning. So nobody's really open. But Beulah walks to Wellsville and there's an all night service station there that has a tow truck. The service station is just a gas station, though. They don't do repairs. So she does get the tow truck.

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It comes back and they bring the car into East Liverpool, where there is a all night service station. They actually have men working there. So the axle is gonna take, they don't just have an axle for a car like that. So they had to wait till earlier in the day and go get it. So the women never get to see them in again. They end up staying with the car down there. And throughout the morning,

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There's a couple of men right there. That hillside is the spot is still there today. You could go. I think it should have a historical marker put there. But anyhow, they you could go and see exactly where they hung out and they waited and waited and waited. And the girls never come back. And two men, now it's daylight. It's 7 o'clock in the morning, 8 o'clock in the morning.

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And two men are coming down the street. His name is Joe Fryman and his nephew. And they're coming down. There's pear trees on that hillside. And they have them wrapped up. It's October. It's this time of year. And they're going to check on their trees. And they see the men up there. So they walk up to the men and then they see the guns.

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You know, Floyd has a Tommy gun and two 45 caliber pistols in his waistband. And Adam Machete has a 1911 45 pistol in his waistband. But they start talking to him and Floyd comes up with the story that he's only there. They're only there to get pictures taken. And they're waiting for their girlfriends.

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No, nobody knows who they are. They're just two men and they got guns. And that wasn't uncommon.

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you know the tommy gun you know during the war um the tommy gun become really famous but prior to that like they come out the tommy guns come out like in 1928 they were a big uh a big thing because of like world war one they used them they were trench getters they were made to just destroy trenches and uh and these men brought them home with them and people you know they had them so

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they have a Tommy gun and you can't hide that very well.

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Yeah, exactly. And so they were just hanging out up there at the rock area and, But the men that talked to him, they buy this story. They said, we're just here to check on our pear trees. And I mean, Floyd says, well, if you see the ladies down at the bottom of the hill, send them up. And so they walk away. Well, the men didn't quite buy it. Not all of it.

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So what they did is they walked back up towards their house and that house that Floyd and Reschetti are at. Right above them is a house. And it's still there today. It's not in very good shape, but it's there today. That's the home of Lon Israel. And he was just a neighborhood guy. Everybody knew him. And they went and they ran into Lon.

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And they said, hey, you know, there's a couple men down over the hill from your house up there hanging out. And they're sleeping up there and they got guns. And so Lon Israel decided, well, I'm going to call the chief of police in Wellsville because that area is actually Wellsville. So his name was John Foltz. Now let's break there for a second, because I gotta tell you about John Foltz.

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This guy's a character. You could do a whole story on John Foltz himself. Prior to being a policeman, he would build boats on the river. He was a shanty boat builder. So he actually would build these houseboats along the riverbank, but he would haul the prostitutes up and down the river to different encampments. And as he built the boats, he would take a boat and take the prostitutes around.

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And he must have made money doing that. But this is prior to him being a policeman. Right. So, you know, it was kind of odd. Even during Prohibition, I've got pictures. As a matter of fact, I even brought it today. But I have pictures where all the whiskey stills, when they would do the raids of the whiskey stills and the crates and the... barrels.

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And since the street in Wellsville by City Hall is lined up with these things. And his job after the tax revenue guys would leave was to destroy all that. And what he would do is go around and sell them back. So he's a character, this guy. And now he's chief of police.

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I don't know how that worked back then.

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Well, I'm sure the moonshiner probably helped pay his way. But he's actually a heck of a guy if you think about it. So leading back to law in Israel calling him, he says, I'll get there as soon as I can. I'm working by myself at city hall. So he deputizes a prisoner. He has in jail. His name was Grover Potts. This guy later kills somebody and ends up killing himself, too. But this is years later.

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But at this time, he's a prisoner. He's in jail. And he deputizes him and says, you're coming with me. And another man named William Irwin, who was a pretty good guy, and he's there cleaning City Hall or working around City Hall in Wellsville. He deputizes him, too. And so he doesn't give them any weapons. He's got a 32 caliber pistol, five shot, just a little pistol. It's nothing.

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And he's got that tucked in his waistband when he goes to find out who these men are. Now, law in Israel said they have guns, but again, it wasn't uncommon to have a gun. And they don't have a clue who they are. Just two men up on the hill. So they could have been hunting for that matter, you know.

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So he goes over and he hooks up with Joe Fryman and those guys and they point their way and he meets up with Lon Israel. So now you have Chief Fultz, Lon Israel, Grover Potts and William Irwin. So there's four men and they get up to Lon Israel's house and there's a pathway down to where Floyd and Rashidi are. And he says, well, we can get to them this way easier. So they go down the pathway.

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Well, Chief Fultz is leading the way and out steps Floyd with a .45 and says, put your hands up. And Chief Fultz, again, this guy, he's such a character. He says, why would I do that? I'm just going to work at the brickyard. And he says, keep your hands where I can see them and nobody will get hurt. So they're all coming down the path. Now you've got four guys coming down the path.

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And there's Adam Reschetti laying on his bedroll on his side, And Fultz says to him, it looks like you're taking it easy. And Reschetti said, yeah. And Floyd said, don't listen to him. He's a police shooting. And all hell breaks loose. So now you've got... Chief Fultz with that little .32 pistol, Floyd with a Tommy gun, two 1911 .45 pistols, and Reschetti with one.

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And two guys with nothing, three guys with nothing, because Juan Israel's there now. So you can imagine the melee. This is a high weed tree section as well. So there's just chaos as the gunfire starts. This goes on so long of them shooting at each other and using the other people for cover. And nobody wanted to shoot the guys who weren't armed and shooting at them.

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So they're trying to shoot around them. That the three men who are unarmed get to Lon Israel's house, which is only a few feet from them. And they get shotguns and they come back and join the fight. Chief Fultz with that little .32 pistol. So Floyd's trying to get away at the top of the hill. He's trying to run up the hill and get away. And Grover Potts shoots it.

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He's got a double barrel, 12 gauge shotgun and he shoots at Floyd. And we find out later that Floyd has one BB in the small of his back. And that probably comes from Grover Potts. But he shoots at him and Floyd turned around and shoots Grover Potts and gets him in the shoulder and he's down. And the Tommy gun jams. So Floyd ends up tossing the Tommy gun. But he's still now on the run.

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Adam Reschetti and Chief Fultz are at each other. And Chief Fultz chases Reschetti right to Lon Israel's house and fires his last round at Reschetti. And he misses him. But Reschetti turned around and gave up. And so they capture Adam Reschetti that way.

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Yeah, yeah. And during that melee, Chief Fultz actually got shot in the ankle by Reschetti. So they grab Ricchetti, they hook him up, they take him down, they treat Grover Potts, and they all go back to Wellsville. Floyd is on the run. He's now up on the roadway. It's called Peterson Road. It's still there today. And it looks different today. Back then, it was a big farm field and area like that.

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Today, the trees are grown up through there and so much. But Reschetti goes back to Wellsville and of course he's given a bunch of crappy names. You know, he's come up with all kinds of different names for both of the men. Floyd's alias was always Frank Mitchell. So he threw that name up and Murphy and all this. I just met the guy. So he gives them a line of crap. And that takes time.

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That's over time over there because they're also treating Fultz and treating Grover Potts too. Floyd, in the meantime, has made his way up that hillside, and he's trying to get – he's staying out of the roadway, but he's trying to get away. And he comes across – they called them machines. He'd come across a machine at a garage, a car, an automobile.

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So he comes out of the wooded section there, and he comes over. And that family were the Petersons. And – the streets even named Peterson Road. And it was William and Thomas Peterson. And they had a garage in there where they worked on cars. And that's what they were doing. And there was a friend of theirs. His name was George McMillan. And George was there to get a part for his car.

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You might as well offer them $1,000. So Thomas Peterson said, hell yeah, I'll take you. Well, Peterson's mother comes outside and said, you can't go anywhere. The car you're working on has to be back across to Chester, West Virginia, which is right across the river, by 1 o'clock. This is around 1230. So George McMillan is standing there and Floyd says, listen, I'll pay you $10.

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Take me to Youngstown. And McMillan says, yes, I'll take you. So he has a little Model A, you know, I think it was a 29 Model A. And so they jump in. Now, as they take off and go, Again, I said earlier how I have the transcripts. I have the statements taken from these people. So I have George McMillan's statements.

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So I know every road that they took because he tells you in his statement that he did. The statements come from the coroner's inquest. Either Purvis or Hoover ordered our coroner at that time after the Floyd shooting to go back and interview everybody and get their statements. That's what I have. They took a stenographer with Mary Ann McIntyre.

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Little lady had a little box and she could shorthand and she would shorthand all of the statements and then come back and type them up. I have those type statements. So this is how we know what happened and where. Every word said at the shootout on the hill, that's all in these statements and so on. So we know that...

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And now Floyd is in the car with George McMillan and they're headed out and we know what roadways they take to go. Meanwhile, back at Adam Reschetti, there was a sheriff in Jefferson County, which is the next county up the highway. And he come in just on business to Wellsville and he sees all the chaos going on and he And he sees Adam Reschetti and says, I've seen that guy before somewhere.

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So he goes out to his car and he gets a Burns Detective Agency book, which was just a mugshot book for bad guys across the country. And there's Adam Reschetti. There he is. And there's Floyd right with him. So this is how they identify who these men are. And it was a sheriff from another county that just happened to come in and identify these guys. So now they know who they're looking for.

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For that time. Right. And just on a pause, I just recently, there's a man in Arkansas that I get people call me from all over the country about Floyd. Right. They want to know this or want to know that. This man contacts me from Arkansas, and he's in his 80s. And his uncle had died who worked here in East Liverpool at one time back in the 30s. And he was cleaning out his estate.

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He said, I've owned this place for years. I just can't get around to get it. And he finally does, and he finds these pictures. And so some of the pictures are of Floyd in all of this stuff. And one of the pictures he has, and he sends them all to me, he sent it all to me. But one of the pictures is this man standing there holding a Burns Detective Agency book.

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And I love the fact that that may be that sheriff

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or it may be another person that i've never been able to identify and i think i have now so i'm excited about stuff like that but this man sent me some great pictures pictures we've never seen of the the conchal farm where floyd was was killed um and and we'll get to that too but um there's a lot of controversy about this farm and this area and they're not sure and so on but

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This is a great picture. It marks a spot right where he died, where he was shot. But you could see the whole farm. And that's cool, too, because we've never had a picture like that. And this guy just out of the blue in Arkansas sent me this stuff. Great, great stuff. But there's this sheriff, and he's identified him. So the fire chief of Wellsville is sent in a fire truck. to go to Lisbon, Ohio.

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This is our county seat and it's also where our sheriff is, okay, and deputy. So they send him out to warn them to be on the lookout. Somehow in that time, they find out that McMillan is driving and they come up looking for him and they end up at the Peterson garage and they find out George McMillan has taken the other guy in a car.

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so now they're looking for this model a car along the roadways and they're headed that way so they go to lisbon they outrun them in lisbon in a fire truck and they get up there and warn the sheriff's office who puts a deputy with the policeman in lisbon so the deputy was george hayes and the policeman was charlie patterson And George Hayes later becomes a sheriff of the county.

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But at this time, he's just a deputy. So they get together in a car and they block a roadway where they think they may come. And the place is still there. There's a restaurant right there called Pondy's. And it's been there over 100 years. And there's a bridge right in front of there. And that's where they make a roadblock.

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So some time passes and here comes a car, but it's not a Model A, but it turns around quickly and takes off. What had happened is Floyd and McMillan run out of gas. So they're actually still in Wellsville. They run out of gas on a place called Township Line Road and Route 45. And so they get out of the car and they walk up to the backside of a man's house. His name was James Baum.

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And he's a florist in Wellsville. So his house has a greenhouse. He's outside working at the greenhouse and they ask him for gasoline. He says, I got a brand new Nash. You can't siphon gas out of it, but I'll take you to get gas. Again, they have no idea who these men are. And McMillan's now McMillan's just along for the ride. He's not even, you know, trying to get his $10. Yeah, exactly. So, um,

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They get into the car, into the Nash, brand new car. They get into this thing and they start down the roadway and Floyd's in the backseat. And he sits up and puts a gun to James Baum's head and says, listen, we're not going to get gas. I want you to get off the main roadway and we're going to Youngstown. You know, so they start that way. Well, Floyd doesn't know this area at all.

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And these men pretty much even McMillan just drove him in circles. These back roads don't lead to Youngstown anywhere near it. The roadways back then, the old Model 8 cars had the real thin tires and they were big wheels. That's because the ruts in the roadways were from wagons.

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And so when you're looking at those cars and they're beating, going down this thing, I can't imagine crossing the country in one of these things, but they did it, you know, and they're going to, I drove this exact route in a car today and it took me forever. And, and it was a rough ride in a, in today's cars.

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So I can't imagine a model a or even a Nash going through this way, but, but they did and they start down. So here they come down towards Pondies on the route 45, that car turns around because Floyd sees the roadblock. So he tells them to turn around and go back. So Deputy Hayes and Charlie Patterson see that car, and they thought it was odd that they spun around like that, so they go after it.

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So here we have a roadway called Stooksbury Road, and it turns into Roller Coaster Road. So as they turn off of Stokesbury, they're catching up to them. And then Roller Coaster Road is they pull over at the Y at Roller Coaster Road and said, let that car passes. And so the car doesn't. They pull up behind them.

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And Deputy Hayes says in his statement that if I wouldn't have bent down to get the door handle, I'd have been shot right between the eyes. Floyd opens fire on him. And so now they're shooting back. Here's a twist. James Baum, the guy who's an innocent guy, it's his brand new car, which ends up with a bunch of bullet holes in it.

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James Baum just tries to get out of the car and run back to the police and they shoot him. They shoot him in the leg. Charlie Patterson shoots him with a sawed off shotgun in the leg, puts him down. And he has nothing to do with anything. He's an innocent guy.

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And George McMillan, when Floyd gets out, he uses him for cover and he ends up pulling him to the front of the car and Floyd runs into the woods. This is his getaway.

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That section of woods is called Spence's woods because there was a farm there called Spence's farm. And, So they know it as Spencer's Wood. And Floyd's gone. It's pouring down rain now. It's about 536 o'clock in the evening. It's getting dark. Again, it's this time of year, so it's getting dark out.

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And those guys, when they shoot Baum, they capture George McMillan thinking he's part of Floyd's deal.

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and he's not he he pleads with them that it's i have nothing to do with it i just was going for the ride i mean they he's going to pay me for a ride they don't believe him and they put him in the car and they leave they leave mr balm laying on the roadway and said another police car will come and get you he's bleeding to death on the side of the road

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so they put macmillan in the car and they start back and eventually he convinces them that listen you know we had nothing to do with this and so they turn around and they come back and the neighbors are all attended to mr balm and uh and so they they get the story from them you know there and they ended up not arresting those guys and that but floyd's gone

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So when you see pictures of like all the posses lined up, and I have, I don't know if you want me to show you this stuff or not, but I have pictures of the posses all, you know, posing with their guns. And you would think you picture pitchforks in the back of the pickup truck. And so that really happened. Now they know who they're looking for in the words out.

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So you had guys just jumping in trucks and with their guns. with their gun and their pitchforks and coming out looking for Floyd, but nobody will go in the woods.

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They want to capture him. They know who it is now. He's public enemy number one. Here he is in our little area.

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It is. It's a big deal. Overnight, Floyd's in the woods. He makes his way. We find out later. I have all the information. He follows the towpath. of Beaver Creek, Little Beaver Creek, which is actually a scenic river today, and it's a beautiful place. But he follows one of the towpaths to this, and he ends up the next morning.

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Now, this is, again, when he gets in the woods, it's 6 o'clock, 7 o'clock at night, and there's a long way for him to go, and nobody's going in the woods. So what they're doing is those posses are driving all the roadways all night long and just waiting for somebody to pop out of the woods on the roadway. And Floyd, it's like 11 o'clock, 10.30, 11 o'clock in the morning.

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He pops out of the woods at a place called, it's on Bell School Road. The farmer's house was the Robinson Farm. And the daughter, Mabel Robinson, and her dad lived there, Robert Robinson. And they're just farmers. And he pops out. He's filthy. He's hungry and they have an apple orchard. So she's out dealing with the apples or the orchard. And he pops out and he asked if she would feed him.

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And she went in the house and she wouldn't let him all the way in the house, but let him wash up on a porch. Had a couple of sandstone steps right there. And he sat on the steps and she made him two fried egg sandwiches. And she just made ginger cookies.

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so he's uh she brings him out a couple ginger cookies the sandwiches he sits on the steps and he eats them before he leaves she gives him a couple apples from the orchard and he wants a ride to youngstown and they don't even own a machine they don't own a car at all so they can't help him right he thanks him and he starts on his way So, um, and that's significant later.

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I'll tell you why when we get to that too, but, um, so he's, he's on his way about an hour and a half later, he ends up at the Conkle farm, the famous farm where he dies. Okay. So it's, but it takes about an hour, hour and a half.

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Not, not that woman. He didn't, he, there's no regular, there's no information that he fed or paid these people. Yeah.

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yeah um but they they took care of him they let him you know wash up they don't know him from who they just figure he's a tramp you know so while this is going on now that posse that's out and in the after he leaves um the robinson farm and now it takes about an hour and a half of him staying off of the main road and hiding in the weeds as he's traveling um

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Robert Robinson, the lady that fed him his dad, is talking to the neighbor. And the neighbor, his name is Clyde Birch. And Clyde Birch is a constable for St. Clair Township Police. And he knows what's going on. And so when Robert Robinson was talking to Clyde, Clyde says, you got to get in my car. We got to go tell the feds who are over there. They're just. two miles down the road.

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And he knows that. So they get in the car together. They drive over to what's known as the White House filling station on Route 7. And they hook up with two federal agents. And they tell him, hey, listen, this guy is a stranger, but my daughter just fed him over on Bell School Road. So those agents, again, to take a step back, Melvin Purvis has now arrived here. Okay, so he's in town now.

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He flew in from Chicago. He was actually in Chicago. And so he took a quick plane, which was a half hour flight to get here. He and a couple other agents are already here, and they've already tried. Let's go back to Adam Reschetti. They tried to go and interview Adam Reschetti, and Chief Fultz, the character, he won't let them. He says, you're not talking to him.

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We're not letting anybody talk to him. They shot me. He shot me, and he's going to go to jail over that and get executed. go through court before anything else happens. And Melvin Purvis is telling him, listen, we need, you know, he's wanted for the Kansas city master, all this other stuff and they won't do it. Folks will not give him up for anything. And today that's different.

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You know, as well as I do, the FBI just take over, you know, but they didn't do that back then. They didn't have jurisdictional power.

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well they were at this time this is where that all started you know it was with these back these bandits like this that they were they started carrying all that stuff and training how to use a tommy gun and and so on you know hoover started after after dillinger's deal they started all of that kind of training so they become what we know as the fbi back then they were just bureau agents you know they were attorneys yeah they were all attorneys with guns you know so they trained and they learned you know

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But so here's Fultz, and he's not giving him up for nothing, this character. And so Purvis gets so mad at him, he ends up coming to East Liverpool. And East Liverpool is a much bigger city at that time. You know, we're actually a happening place at that time. East Liverpool, Ohio, was a pottery capital of the world. At one time, we had over 200 potteries working at one time here.

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So most people never heard of East Liverpool, but you have. You just don't know it. If you flip your dinner plates over, they're probably Hall China or Homer Laughlin China. You heard of Fiesta Ware. That's all us. That's all made here. So most of your fine china was... PS&T and KTK, Knowles, Taylor Knowles, China, that's all made here. So that was our industry.

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You know, it was the pottery industry. That and the steel mills in Midland, Pennsylvania, Crucible Steel and so on. That was our only industry here. So we were a happening, booming town. President McKinley and President Taft would vacation here. That was at that time, you know, that was this place was a really big place, you know, happening.

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So anyhow, Purvis ends up at we have a hotel called the Traveler's Hotel. And he made that his his home base, his headquarters. And there's a big historical sign there today telling you that. But the hotel is still there. So he sets up there.

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Well, those agents, when Robert Robinson and Clyde Birch show up at the gas station, they get a phone and call Purvis at the Travelers and tell him, hey, we think we know where he's at. He's out here, you know. So Purvis turned around to an agent who's at the Travelers and says, listen, get a hold of the East Liverpool police and see if they can send some guys out to help us.

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This is the only reason East Liverpool is involved in this at all. All of this other stuff has happened outside of East Liverpool. But this is what gets us involved in it. So they make a phone call up to City Hall. Our police chief is Hugh McDermott. He calls in Chester Smith, Herman Roth and Curly Montgomery.

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And these are the four guys that matter of fact, these are the four guys right here that they end up calling to. To go help. OK, so those guys get into a car. Chief McDermott gives out the weapons. This is how we know what in their statement who's carrying what weapon. So Chief McDermott has a 38 pistol police special. He gives Herman Roth and Chester Smith a 3220 Winchester rifle.

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And Curly Montgomery is carrying a 12 gauge shotgun. They get into a car. There's no Tommy guns involved with the city police. So although we own two of them at the time, they just didn't know what they were getting into. So they went armed like that and they get into a car and they make it out to the White House filling station and the feds are gone.

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But the people at the gas station said the car was loaded with a couple of guys. They just went down the road. So. The city guys catch up to Melvin Purvis and his guys, and there's four of them. There's Melvin Purvis, Agent Hopton, Agent Hall, and Agent McKee, all in that car. And so they honk at them, stop them. They find out that Curly Montgomery knows all of the farmers out that way.

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So he says, listen, follow me. I know all the farms and how to get to them. So they do. So the city police is leading the way now. You got two cars, you know, loaded down with and you can see them hanging on the on the floorboards, you know, the running board. So they're headed down the highway like that.

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And they're just going farm to farm now trying to catch up to the guy that they fed at the Robinson farm.

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meantime now back to floyd floyd ends up um crossing the roadway there bell school road he crosses the roadway and makes his way to the conkle farm he sees a machine in the park behind the corn crib so he makes his way to the back door ellen conkle is a widow she's in the house and he knocks on the back door and tells her he was hunting and he got lost And she didn't buy it. She's a farm.

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You know, she knows better. He's in a suit.

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Yeah. No. And two of them is a matter of fact. So he's got two of them tucked down in his belt. And then he's, he could tell that she, she realized he's not telling the truth. And he said, To be honest with you, I got drunk and I got separated from my brother and I'm just trying to find my way back. And so she lets me in and he's hungry. You know, the the two egg sandwiches wasn't enough.

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He's been on the run for a couple of days now, you know, a day and a half. So she feeds him two pork chops, some mashed potatoes and some rice pudding. And he doesn't like the rice pudding. But he tells her that this meal was fit for a king. This is where he pays her the dollar. And she doesn't want it. This is a farm lady that could use it. And she doesn't want it.

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But he put it under the plate for her anyhow. And there's talk of that later where You know, she kept the dollar and framed it and so on once they find out who he is. But he's just a tramp to her. He doesn't know. Made her nervous, though. And her brother, Stuart Dyke, is out in the field with his wife, Florence, and they're husking corn out. It's a cornfield. So they're out there working.

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And she he asked her, he says, I'd like to get a ride to Youngstown. And she says, well, I don't drive, but my brother can maybe take you. But we'll have to wait for him to come in. And he asked for the newspaper and a book of matches.

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and he says can i wait by the car and she said sure you know so he goes down and gets in the car they think that he was going to steal it you know but he doesn't he gets in the car and stuart dyke sees this guy you know over by this car so he stops what he's doing he goes to ellen conkle and he talking to his sister and she said i don't know who he is but you know he's kind of strange making me nervous he wants to ride to youngstown and it's now 5 30 in the evening again

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And Stuart Dyck isn't going to drive to Youngstown. That's actually a good drive, especially back then. So he talks to him and he's asking for the ride to the bus. And he says, I can't take you that far, but I can take you to Clarkson. And Clarkson's a little town two miles down the road. So he says, OK. And he says, there's a bus that comes once a day to Clarkson. So he's good with that.

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So they get into the car and Stuart Dyck's wife, Florence, gets in the car, too. And they're going to ride down the street a couple of miles and take him there. And just as they're now. Today, if you go out to the Conkle Farm, which we get a lot of visitors out there, and there's a historical sign, of course, now. And even today, you can do the QR code, and it tells you the story.

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But today, it's a big horseshoe. You can come in and go out. It didn't exist like that then. So the car is parked behind a corn crib, and he's going to back up to the garage and then go out the driveway. Just as they back up, here comes our guys. Both police cars pull into the farm because they're going farm to farm. The farm prior to this was the Anderson farm.

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And Mr. Anderson's out in the field. And they stopped and asked him, have you seen anybody? And Anderson said, I saw a stranger walking in the field down below. And they said, well, how do you know he's a stranger from that far away? And they said, because he didn't have a hat on. And men wore hats. If you didn't, that was out of the realm.

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So that actually gave him away more than anything, just not having a hat on. And so that prompted them to go to the next farm, which is the conchal farm. And so as they start to back out, here come the two cruisers or cars and Floyd orders Stuart Dyke to park behind the corn crib again.

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So as he pulls up in there, he gets out of the car and Stuart Dyke's actually cussing him now because now he's got his gun out and Stuart realizes this guy's a bad guy and they don't know who it is. Now the police do, but Mr. Conkle and Stuart don't have a clue. So they can see now our guys see him and they get out of the cars. And if you can picture this, you've got eight men.

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Now you've got four city and four feds and they're all out. Now they're circling that corn crib and Floyd decides to take off and try to make it. There's a garage right there. Tries to get behind the garage and he's headed for the woods. There's a wooded section behind the house and he's trying to get to it. And he never one time shoots at him. He's kind of running zigzag as you can imagine.

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And he's just trying to get away. Floyd is very athletic. He's 30 years old. He's built like he moved the car when they run out of gas by himself. And those cars weren't light, you know. So he's very athletic and very fast and he's trying to get away. And as he's running out there, they yell for him to stop and he doesn't do it. And they open fire on him.

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And later Ellen Conkle says there had to be a hundred rounds fired at him. But there's never any talk that the Tommy guns, there were two Tommy guns used by two of the feds. And there was never any talk that they were used fully automatic. But a hail of bullets is going on and Floyd goes down and he gets up and he runs maybe 15 more feet and he falls again and he stays down.

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The guys catch up to him and Curly Montgomery actually takes the pistol out of his hand and Herman Roth, the other policeman that gets there, takes one out of his belt. And so they start talking to him and Purvis comes up. And this is where a lot of controversy comes in. But Purvis comes up to him and says, you're pretty boy Floyd. And he said, I'm Charles Arthur Floyd, you son of a bitch.

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And he used other language too throughout. He cussed him a lot. And he said, he tried to question him about the Kansas City massacre. And he said, to hell with the Union Stationite.

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wasn't there and he's dying i mean he's shot right so there's again there's backstories to all of this but uh floyd you know they open fire on him and you got eight men shooting at him over 100 rounds and he's shot twice he's hit twice but he's got six holes in him so this is where my csi people come in and say okay wait a minute you know he shot twice but got six holes

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So he's running and one round actually goes into his forearm and comes out his forearm. It goes into his side and out of his side. So he's got four holes with one round. And the other one's actually in the side too and comes out a little higher in the back. And that's actually the one that kills him. It takes out his pancreas and ribs and some other stuff in there.

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So he's bleeding out is basically what he's doing there. They try to question him like that. Well, Purvis, when he starts cussing Purvis, Purvis quits questioning. And he gets Stuart Dyke, Ellen's brother, and one of his agents, and they take off in the car and they go to Clarkson to use the phone. They said they were going to use to call an ambulance for him because he's alive.

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He's laying there alive. So they're going to call an ambulance. But what Purvis does is he gets to the phone and he calls Hoover and he tells Hoover that I got it. You know, this is right after this is a month almost to the day of getting Dillinger. So he calls Hoover and he tells him, I got him. You know, we got him here in Ohio. And he comes back.

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And in the meantime, our chief McDermott and a couple of the policemen are talking to him. And McDermott says, you know, how bad are you hit? And he says, you got me twice. You know, I'm going. But he asked about Ad, meaning Adam Reschetti, called him Ad. And then he said it again, but he called him Eddie. like E T T Y Eddie for Reschetti. And, uh, he just wants to know about him.

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And then who, he asked who tipped them off, how you found him, you know? And, uh, he ends up, uh, said, I'm going and he dies. So he, he lived 10 minutes, 10, 15 minutes after he was shot. And Purvis isn't even there. Purvis is up the road calling Hoover. So they pick him up and they carry him down towards the roadway and they put him under a tree. And, uh,

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That's where they're waiting when Purvis comes back and he said, well, hell, just put him in the car and we'll take him back to Liverpool. So they prop up Floyd's body in the back seat of a car and the two city policemen sit right beside him in the back holding him up and driving down to East Liverpool. Which is, you know, I don't want the car now. It's full of blood.

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But Floyd, they take him down to the funeral home at the time was called the Sturgis Funeral Home. Ernie Sturgis was the funeral director. And Ernie wasn't around. So the funeral, the other funeral director's name is Frank Dawson. So Frank Dawson ends up taking the body in. And now you can imagine, again, the excitement of this. Here's public enemy number one.

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The word's getting out that, you know, here's Floyd and we got him and he's dead and we have him here in town. And people started coming. And so they hurried up and Frank Dawson hurried up and embalmed him. when they should have autopsied first. And instead they embalmed him and they sewed him up.

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And so there was always a controversy about what size of round had hit him, who hit him, who shot him. Not that it mattered, but it did to them. They want to know if the FBI killed him or the city guys killed him. We have one guy in the city, Chester Smith, the tall guy in the picture I showed you. He claimed he did it. He claimed, I'm a marksman. He was a marksman in the war.

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And he claimed, I shot him with the 3220 Winchester rifle in the arm purposely because he knew Purvis couldn't, who he met 10 minutes prior to this. So, you know, and we rebutted that. That's part of the reason we wanted to do this. I wanted to film this. These transcripts, not the grandma stories. You know, in two years time, I found out that pretty boy Floyd drove through East Liverpool, Ohio.

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He ate everybody's food and he shot everybody's barn. OK, so everybody's grandmother fed Floyd. You know, it's those kind of stories and I still get them. And so I wanted to I wanted to film the documentary based on the transcripts and not. Not all the stories. There's a lot of backstories and a lot of little things that I found out as I was doing the research that those family stories were true.

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There really was. This is how I found out Mabel Robinson. I didn't have any pictures of this woman. I had no idea. And I spoke to one of her family members. And he said, yeah, I've got pictures of her. My grandmother, you know, she used to tell us exactly what she fed him. And so, you know, we got information from the family stories.

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Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, he grew up with those stories. And, you know, you hear him and you kind of blow it off. After a while, I get so many people, everybody I talk to. And the man, one of the men that helped with the film, Dave Dunlap owns 28th Parallel Productions. That's the man that was with me at the crime con.

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And I met him through another documentary that we filmed called 759 Dresden about a murder that had happened here. It's a cold case here. So we filmed that documentary. And while we were doing that, I said, I'd like to film something on these transcripts. we end up doing that. And we brought in one of our, the president of our historical society's name is Tim Brooks.

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He's an attorney just retired, but he's also a historian for the city. And he was a big, he was the go-to pretty boy Floyd guy. And so he's been published in different magazines and stuff. And Tim, Tim actually come in and he has all of the story of Floyd growing up. So that would be that, that side of, If you wanted to know anything about him as a kid or what he did, Tim Brooks would be the guy.

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So there was the three of us. And when we put this together and then we, like I said, I spent two years researching those transcripts, every inch of them. So I knew exactly where, and I went to those places and we found stuff that people had no idea still existed and so on. So it turned out really good. It played in Amazon prime. It's played in, in the movie theaters here locally.

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And I sell those DVDs constantly. So I don't know if you got one when you were down there, but I'll send you one.

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See, that's, that's what we're running into.

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Nobody has a DVD player anymore, but you can put it in a computer. It'll play in a computer. And, and actually if you, yeah, if you have a hard, well, if you have a hard drive,

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Yeah, well, that's our new thing. We're streaming. The first documentary we did, we streamed that. The problem with streaming this one is it has special features and we don't want to leave them out. You can actually read the transcripts.

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in the dvd so if you put it in a computer you could read it word for word and you know when we were talking about james cagney and and these guys earlier they really talked that way yeah i'm gonna fill in full lead and when you read these transcripts they're talking about that so it's fascinating to you know just to read them alone but the whole story of floyd you know he's just a different kind of gangster you know i do have a picture which is fascinating and uh just to touch base on this um

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I got a young picture of Floyd posing with Clyde Barrow. And that's unique because Floyd didn't want anything to do with gangs. Bonnie and Clyde tried to get Floyd to run with him, and he didn't want to do it. And they were young then, but he didn't want to do it. But they got a picture together. And that picture is, you only see it every once in a while out there, but I have it in my collection.

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And I love that picture because it's kind of that, you see a young Clyde and you see a young Floyd and they're both dressed to the hilt with their fedoras and posing together. And it's pretty cool.

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I've actually got one sitting right there. So there's a, Let me finish with Floyd in the field. They take him down. No, that's okay. They take him down to the funeral home and they start doing this right away and they put him up for display in the window. And once the word gets out to his mother in Oklahoma, she sends a Western Union telegram back saying, please don't show him.

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Send him to a reputable funeral director and send me the amount of money it's going to cost to send his body back to Oklahoma. Floyd had $122 in his pocket.

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that's a lot of money 1934. he had 122 dollars in his pocket he had a black onyx ring on his finger he had a pocket watch that on the end of the pocket watch has a coin and that coin has notches in it and that it was like a dollar like a silver dollar and that it had 10 notches floyd had killed 11 11 men but there's 10 notches in this coin and they believe that's for every man that he killed and he just never got to do the 11th one

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but they have that stuff. So all of that stuff shipped back home. Later, we get to meet Glendon Floyd, who is Floyd's nephew. And he would come back to East Liverpool and he would do talks and he would sign autographs and tell you stories. And he would bring all that stuff with him and stuff, which was pretty cool, pretty fascinating. But the death mask.

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So while Floyd's in the funeral home, again, I told you the history of East Liverpool is the pottery industry. So they called, I believe it was Homer Laughlin China. They called the mold maker to come over from Homer Laughlin and, or maybe Hall China, one of the local potteries. And he come over and they, the mask are made out of what's called slip.

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Slip is what makes your coffee cups and your saucers and dinner plates. It's a liquid and then it's formed and pressed and then they fire it. Well, this particular mask I have behind me is a second. It's not a first. The very first mold, when I say that, the very first mold broke. The very tip of the nose stayed in the other half when they took it apart. It stayed in there, just the tip.

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So they went ahead and made five masks out of that mold and gave them out to like the chiefs of police and the people that were involved. And then from there, they moved that mold off to the side and they put plastic over Floyd's face and poured slip over it, made a whole nother mold. And that's what this is. OK, this mask and the nose on this one is smooth.

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And that's how you can tell the difference. So if you ever come across the Floyd mask, it's got a rough tip of the nose. It's probably one of the first five originals. Now, Tim Brooks, as I mentioned earlier, he has one of the originals. And then also in Wellsville, Deputy Hayes that was involved in the shootout with him, he was given one of the first original masks.

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And when he passed away, his estate sale, they had that mask for sale and a local policeman bought it and it's on display in Wellsville. But that's an original mask. A lot of people don't realize what death masks were for and why they did that. And they actually go back to the 17th century. You know, they did that stuff. They made it out of clay then, you know, and they would do that because now,

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Back then, it was just to honor whoever. A lot of times, it wasn't everyday folk that they did it to. It was somebody influential. But you could get it done if you had the money, you know, to do that. Later, like at this time, they would do this and, like...

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If you think back to the Victorian ages, they would wire a dead person back up with children and pose with them for a picture. And not everybody could afford photography when that was out. So this was a cheaper route and you had something to remember your loved one by. So you kept it and you displayed it somewhere.

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But I get in trouble for the pictures I have of the dead guy laying around everywhere. So I can't imagine then with a death mask on your mantle, but... But they did that. Abraham Lincoln has a death mask. Matter of fact, while we were filming this documentary, Tim Brooks gets a call from the FBI and they want a copy of Floyd's death mask. And Tim said, well, I sent you one 20 years ago.

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And they said, well, they can't find it or whatever. So Tim sent one of his to the FBI. They made a mold of it or a copy of it. And in return, they sent back a a mold of John Dillinger's. And so I have that now in the police museum. Tim thought that would be cool to put it in the police museum. So it's on display there, which is morbid. You see the scars in his face when he hit this pavement.

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They killed him in Chicago. And when he fell on the sidewalk, it busted open his cheeks.

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and uh and the scars are still there on it you know on his death mask so but it's pretty cool that i have it and people you know they love that stuff dillinger was a different kind of guy you know dillinger was bad news and you know he not that floyd was a good guy but in realms of bad people he did what he had to do right dillinger did things he didn't have to do you know babyface nelson was just crazy you know george nelson was his name and he that's who they went after um

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after Floyd he was the next public enemy number one and they end up killing him shooting him in a ditch somewhere but two of the agents that were involved in killing Floyd were also killed by babyface Nelson and then there's a little backstory about Nelson didn't like Floyd at all and he even says in between after Floyd died and before they got Nelson he's uh

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He's quoted as saying that it's a good thing the feds got him because if I ever run across him, I'd kill him myself. So he didn't like Floyd for whatever reason, but he was another one.

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He got that name. There's two stories about that. One, he was actually a very handsome man and he was short, stocky, but he was athletic and he had rosy cheeks. And so a couple of prostitutes, One of the stories, a couple of prostitutes had said how much he's a pretty boy and it stuck. And he didn't like it. He didn't like being called that at all. And that's that's quoted throughout that.

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You know, nobody wants to be called pretty boy and be a gangster, I guess.

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But but he and then the other was just young girls that that he did know when he was growing up, called him pretty boy. There was talk that he hung out in a. in the houses of ill repute at times, you know, so he, uh, but again, he was so well liked. It didn't matter. It didn't matter what he did. He, anywhere he went, he, he was well, he was taken in.

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If you watch, you ever see the movie public enemy, uh,

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With Johnny Depp. It's so historically wrong. I couldn't watch it. It drove me bananas because the opening scene shows Melvin Purvis shooting Floyd in an apple orchard with a long gun. And none of that happened. It didn't happen before they killed Dillinger. It happened after Dillinger. So even put the killing of Floyd at the end of the movie, now you're a little more historically correct.

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And it just drove me bananas. I couldn't do it.

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There's a, even today, I like, I just, I just, there's a part of the museum, part of the police museum. And what my goal is, is besides educating, you know, locals and educating children. I, I like to get it out there a little bit further. It's like what you're doing for me right here. You know, this is great. This is networking to the best as far as I'm concerned. And yeah,

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Part of the thing is, I just had a guy come in. He's been involved, and I don't know all of it, but he's been involved in a Pulitzer Prize writing or article or a book or what have you. But he's very well... He writes very well. And I don't know if he's the one that got the prize or he's just involved in a story that did. But either way, super nice guy.

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He come into the museum and he wanted to do a story on Floyd. So I get interviewed all the time like that. So I told him whatever he wants to know, I'll tell him.

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and uh and i did and then he called me a few times and he said to how you know he uh needed this information or that information told him and then i get the article which is very well written and i love it and it's part of the ohio history connection which is a big for museums it's a huge thing and a huge deal it's in there and the one guy the macmillan guy i told you that drove Floyd everywhere.

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It's well documented about McMillan and all kinds of stuff. And he calls him McMullen. And that drives me bananas. It's like, how can you do that? His name's not McMullen. And all through it, McMullen. And there is a family, which I didn't touch with you, but there's a family of McMullens, but they were women.

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And they were they owned a barn in Floyd when he was going down that towpath and ends up at the Robinson farm. He goes through their farm to get there. And there's one little article about them and they're the McMullins. And so it's like that's confusing to somebody, you know, so it's not right. And it's it's not so bad, but it's not right. You know, and that stuff drives me nuts.

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No, I mean, if you want to visit the East Liverpool Police Museum, I mean, it's free. You know, I have a donation box and an old call box that you drop, you know, whatever you want in there. But you don't have to. Ring your family, call me, get a date, and we'll set it up. And, you know, it's all about educating people. So it's a lot of history of the city along with the police department.

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It's a lot of fun. You can dress up as a gangster and get your picture taken. get your mugshot taken. You know, we do that kind of stuff, a little interactive, you know, and people come from everywhere. So if you're in this area ever, if anybody is and you want to do it, hook up with me, you know, and call me. You can get me at the East Liverpool Police Department or St. Clair Township.

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I spent 22 years as a policeman for East Liverpool in the last four years with St. Clair Township, which is still East Liverpool. It's just a little township outside of us. And so I'm an active policeman, so I'm not hard to find.

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And then I would just sit there and watch this little kid in this vacant lot playing for 10 minutes. And then suddenly the mother would come running out screaming and look over at me. And I just point and I go, you know, He's over there in the vacant, you know, in the lot. And then she'd run over there, grab the kid, drag him back in the house, you know, slap it.

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We're talking about like a two-year-old. Pow, pow, pow. And just bring him back in there. He's screaming. Or I can remember another time I was sitting there, same kid, mom's on the phone, kid's actually digging in a garbage can that had been knocked over.

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And it's funny because a buddy of mine had bought the duplex they lived in and we were just waiting for their lease to expire so we'd get rid of them. And I started yelling to the mother, hey, hey, hey. And finally she looked over and she goes, what? And I said, your kid's eating garbage.

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Cause the little boy or girl had a, the little toddler had like a chicken bone in his mouth that had been in the garbage. And she walks over and just bow, just smashed this kid in the head a couple of times.

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dragged him off about 10 feet dropped them in the yard and just let him play and he just laid there and cried and cried and all i could think of was you're just you're raising monsters like those kids are going to be monsters when they grow up like they that kid doesn't know what he did wrong and i mean these are the kids that grow up and then they grab a gun and they start shooting people because you know nobody raised them unfortunately you know um

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Well, there's tons of stories like that. Just living in that neighborhood, slowly buying up the properties and moving people out. You must see it every single... I don't know how often you're in those neighborhoods, but

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Half the people I met in federal prison had horrible childhoods. And I mean, like handcuffed to like a radiator burned with a I always mentioned this one kid had this guy had a on his hand. He had you could see where it was an iron. It was a tip of an iron. His mother had lost her, had lost a piece of jewelry.

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This kid's like three or four years old, maybe five years old, had lost a piece of jewelry, couldn't find it, thought he'd taken it, took an iron and burned him with it. A couple of days later, found it behind a dresser because it had slipped behind the dresser. And I was like, cause I asked him, I was like, what was that?

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What, I mean, how, how did that, I don't understand how, how did that evolve so, so quickly? Like, well, how did you even start doing, you know, Coke? Like, I mean, if you're just kind of hanging out, taking off, what, just driving across the country or just hanging out or what's...

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He's like, ah, I was like four or five and my mom, this and my, or just, I've, I've known, I've, I've known guys that were just abandoned, came home one day. Mom never came home. I've known guys that they would be like, my mom would disappear for four or five days at a time. And, you know, you would either go to the neighbors and ask for food or eat whatever's in the house.

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And she'd always show back up. And then, you know, it was just like, wow. Like just, um, But yeah, so you were locked up. So what, 19 years?

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How long before that took place? Probably about four years.

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Yeah, I think a lot of times you go back to the same environment and the same people and they just drag you down. A lot of these guys have to be picked up and moved completely and just discard all the people that they knew prior to going to prison. That seemed to be a strategy that at least gives you a semi-fighting chance.

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Um, this is funny. This is when I was on the run. I had, uh, um, I used to go to Home Depot. I was renovating houses and stuff just to have something to do. Um, so I bought a bunch of houses. We renovated and I would go into Home Depot and get stuff. And there was this guy, this, this kid that really honestly is probably 19 or 20, maybe 20, early 20s.

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Um, and, uh, they called them, you know, New Orleans and they kept, this was after Katrina, maybe a year after Katrina. And I saw, and so at some point he came over to help me and I said, well, you from New Orleans? And he said, he said, yeah, he said, I, uh, I was.

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and and i was like oh i was like oh okay i was like yeah i was there just before katrina i'd gone on vacation and i i maybe a couple months before that and uh and he was like i said have you been back since then or why why'd you why are you here and he said oh well katrina he said katrina hit and he said they just put they started putting everybody on planes and flying them all over and he said

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I flew here and Home Depot gave me an apartment and a car. And yeah, he said, and a full-time job. He said, I've been working here. He said, I work like 60 hours a week. And I've been here ever since for about a year. I said, oh, wow. I said, yeah, that's great. He said, yeah. He said, if they saved my life. And I was like... I said, oh, I said, getting out of, just getting out of New Orleans.

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OK, how did the how did that evolve into a robbery? I mean, what what what's what happened around that?

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And he said, no, no. He said, no, that wasn't it. He said, I was selling drugs on the street. My family was selling drugs. He said, my mother's been in and out of prison for drugs. My dad, my cousins got, I got lost by four cousins getting shot. He said, everybody knows getting shot and selling drugs. He said, and they just, he said, Katrina hit, plucked me up, put me here.

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He said, bro, I work 60 hours a week. He said, cause I want to. He said, that saved my life. And I was like, wow. I said, what happened with your family? He said, to be honest with you, he said, I don't really care. You ever tried to find him? He goes, no. He said, I can't be around him. He said, I'm good here. I got the rest of my life. He said, I'm good. And I was just like, wow. It was amazing.

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And it was also amazing that he knew it. Like he'd figured it out, you know? And I don't know that everybody does, but he definitely did. I just always was so in shock by that. But then I hadn't been to prison yet. Then you go to prison and you start realizing, you talk to these guys and you see them get out, come back, get out, come back.

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And you start going, man, that's just a revolving door, bro. You keep going back to the same place thinking you're going to change. And You know, I was doing real good for six months or for a year and a half. And then my cousin or my buddy, he just needed help. All I had to do was driving the car. It was no big deals. Oh, my God. Give me a break. My buddy, my friend, man, that's your buddy.

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That ain't your friend. I have a buddy that got out. He's like, I had a friend of mine that helped me. I got out, and he said, look, man, I can help you out, and I can give you whatever. And I was like, so your buddy that you're saying is a good friend of yours puts you in a position to go back to prison. That's not your buddy. He wasn't helping you out. He was helping him out.

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If he was really your buddy, he'd have said, look, I can't help you. I don't have any money. I can't help you. I'm sorry. I can try and give you a ride. I can, you know, make a few phone calls, try and help you get a job. Or, you know, I could give you some cash like that. All I can do is give you a couple hundred bucks.

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But instead, hey, I can help get you involved in a crime that will send you back to prison because I'm your friend. And he genuinely thinks he's his friend. Like he genuinely thinks like, wow, thank you.

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Um, so you were tutoring people.

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Yeah. That doesn't happen a lot. No, it does not. At best you're, you're lucky to be able to shave a few years off here and there at best. And that, that, and even that's remarkable. I think, I mean, I don't know what the equivalent is in Virginia, but in, in the federal system every year, 3,500, they're called, it's called the 2255. It's, it's essentially saying that, yeah, you're, you're,

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Your lawyer was ineffective. So there's one person for every 2,255 that are filed, one person sees relief. It's outrageous. Yeah, but everybody keeps filing them.

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Pack your stuff. Yep. Did you know, did you call your, you got to call your family? Did you get to somebody, somebody dropping you off at the bus station? Somebody picking you up?

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Something, Max. Anyway. So... Yeah. I'm just thinking when I walked out, you know, what's so funny too about walking out is it seems like the air is actually different.

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even though literally all that separated me was so was there was air the same air was inside the prison but you walked out it seemed a little bit brighter everything seemed a little bit more you know and it did and i remember being able to see like you could just look and it just went on and on and there was no fence there was no blocking it was all the way to the tree line and there was no fence between me and the tree line there was no fence it was just like yeah definitely definitely

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a great feeling. So, I mean, so did you have any idea that it was coming or did you just kind of, like you said, you just thought, eh?

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I, uh, I talked to another guy that met his wife in prison and I think they've been married for, I don't know what it was, 10 or 15 years now. Like they were together for a few, for several years before he eventually got out. Uh, yeah, I met my, I met my wife in the halfway house. Okay. Uh, another inmate.

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I mean, she was, uh, you know, in the halfway house, you know, with me, you know, she wasn't running the halfway out. Um, Yeah. That's that's yeah. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. That didn't work out. Uh, and if she's a reporter, like that's her full-time job.

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So, and you started your, so what ha what made you think to start a podcast?

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Pow, pow, pow. And just bring him back in there. He's screaming. You're going to go back to what you know. In times of desperation and anxiety, you're going to go right to what you know. Hey, this is Matt Cox, and I'm here with Jesse Krausen, and he runs a nonprofit.

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Right. And how did that turn into, you know, shooting at someone?

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Yeah. What do you talk about on your podcast?

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Yeah. So what is the, you said, what is the one project you went and talked about?

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Yeah, I was going to say, listen, in federal prison, I don't know what it's like in state prison, but in federal prison, it's almost impossible to get. You have to really make an effort because they're just not interested in helping you. And there's only so many courses you can take, so it limits you on the amount of the types of degrees you could get. And even then, it's such an uphill battle.

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I think people just get extremely frustrated. But, yeah, so, I mean, it, you know, and what's so funny is that it's funny because there is such a connection between having an education and incarceration, you know? Like, you can easily see that, you know, how many college graduates go to, end up in prison as opposed to drop, you know, high school dropouts, you know?

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It's just, it's such a massive, there's such a massive disparity, you know? Of course, I had a college education and still went to prison, but you can't use me as an example. My degree is in fine arts, so it doesn't even count. Yeah, it didn't count. Well, okay. So you're hoping that the YouTube thing keeps going? Sure.

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Why don't you guys have state-run or state halfway houses? If I didn't have the halfway house, I don't know what I would have done.

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Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Look, look, people don't even realize like you walk out of the halfway. You had four or five hundred bucks to my name when I got out. And only because while I was incarcerated, I had I had gotten a book deal and I'd optioned someone been a part of an option for someone's life right that I'd written a story about.

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So had you know, had it not been for that little bit of money. I would have had nothing. And I knew I wanted as much halfway house because I knew I was going to need to work and save money because if you give someone $500 and just let them walk out the door, like, where am I going, right? I've been locked up for 13 years. It's not like I've got friends that are like, yeah, bro, I got you a room.

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Those guys are gone. I don't have any friends left. Those people are gone. Maybe somebody would let me sleep on their couch for a month or so, but that would have been, you know, agony. My mother lived in a retirement home. My father had died while I was in prison. Like there's nobody. My brother has four daughters that lived at home at the time. There's no place for me.

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I like eight animals and four daughters in like a three bedroom. That's not happening. And he lives in the middle of nowhere. So, you know, I mean, and keep in mind too, the 500 bucks, I have no clothes. I had like two pairs of sweatpants and three shirts and a pair of tennis shoes with holes in the bottoms.

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You know how you walk with the, when you walk and then you start putting the, you start putting the, the, the, the magazines in there, you know, it's, it's amazing. Like, but yeah, if it weren't for the halfway house, I don't know what I would have done. So I, I, that, that just is such a recipe for disaster. to not have any support.

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Yeah, I could definitely see why someone would just go out and immediately go right. Because first of all, that's all you know. You're going to go back to what you know. In times of desperation and anxiety, you're going to go right to what you know. And that's all those guys know. Yeah. Walt, what's the name of the organization that you're running? Second Chancer Foundation. What is it?

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Second Chancer Foundation. Second Chancer Foundation. Do you have a link?

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Just send me the link. Sure. And send me the link to, oh, well, I guess if you have a link to your YouTube's on the link tree too, right? Yeah. Yeah, okay, so then your YouTube's, what's the name of the YouTube channel? Second Chancer. Oh, okay. All right.

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Yeah. No, I appreciate you coming on. Listen, I'm always looking for content. Your content is a little bit more upbeat than mine typical. I typically am more true crime. You know, not really blood and guts. Like, I really don't want to hear about, you know, prison riots and, you know, that sort of thing.

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But, you know, like a lot of the prison channels, you know, where they talk about, you know, like gangs. Most of my stuff is like, you know, somebody running a Ponzi scheme or a scam or maybe...

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you know i don't know you know car chases and drug busts and stuff like that and uh but you know yours a little bit more upbeat but my guys will put up with it i'm gonna see um um you know because so what happens is sometimes I'll have a better conversation with someone beforehand.

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And then it's always like, you know, it's, it's, it's like, you'll have a 10 minute conversation and then like, fuck that, we should have put that on, you know, I should have held that. And then, so sometimes if Colby, my editor thinks it's good, then he'll clip it and just stick it in the back. Makes sense. because that's got a program we're running here. I think that's what the pros do.

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Not professional. It's whatever goes. So it's not like, oh, you know, I'm going to do a perfect intro. But your channel, you've got like 36,000. How long have you been doing it? Since you got out? Basically, yeah.

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You know who else did really great with shorts was Ian Bick. Yeah. Have you been on his program?

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No, it seems like YouTube seems like a more stable platform. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. But, you know, who knows? So, yeah, I was supposed to go on his show and I got COVID. And I mean, literally like the day before I came home from Orlando, I went to Podfest, came home just before bed.

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Like, you know, later, well, not, you know, whatever, later that night, like, whatever, 6, 7 o'clock, I was like, I'm really starting to feel achy. Like, God, I hope I didn't come down with anything. Asked my wife now, my girlfriend at 5, I was like, do you feel messed up? She was like, no, I feel fine. I was like, okay, well, I'm probably fine. Listen, 2 o'clock in the morning, I woke up.

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and probably around three or so i was supposed to go to the airport at like seven or eight in the morning i texted him at like i don't know when it was uh three or four something like that i said listen i got covid i'm all messed up i'm done and then the next day my girlfriend came down with it now we had it for over a week uh so and i've had this is the second time i've had it the third time she's had it

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Yeah. The first time I had it was horrible. This time, it was still a really bad flu, but it wasn't anything like the first time.

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boy, that must have that, that horrible place to be sick. Every time I got sick in prison, I thought, man, this is the worst place to get sick. Nobody's giving you any sympathy. Nobody's looking out for you. Nobody, you know, it's like, maybe somebody brings you, maybe a warms up one of your soups, bring work to you, maybe, but it's, it's not a, it's just not a,

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And how did that track back to you?

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It's just not the kind of environment to be hoping for some sympathy in any way. Where did you do your time at? Coleman at the medium. You know, I did a year in the I did a year, um, you know, in the Marshalls holdover, you know, obviously that takes a year or so to plead guilty, get, you know, get sentenced, whatever.

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So shoot, it took them three months just to get me, you know, across the, they caught me in Nashville. They get me all the way to Atlanta. It took like three months. So I, I ended up, you know, I pled guilty, got sentenced. And then, so that was a year in the U S Marshalls.

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holdover and then three years at the medium and then roughly nine years at the low okay so it's just shy of i did just shy of 13 years i just say 13 years because you know nobody wants to hear 12 years and 10 months how many months yeah like when i when you get sentenced you know i got 26 years and four months i just say 26 years four months it sounds like i'm whining

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And how much time did you get?

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Okay. Wow. I mean, I was going to say, I got 26. So, I mean, I know that's a bad day when that hits you. It just, you know, so how did you, what did you, what was your, what was your thoughts at that time? Did you really say, oh, I got to fix this or this wasn't supposed to happen? Did you talk to the lawyer?

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He did 19 years in state prison for a shooting, and also he has a YouTube channel, which he just started, which is doing great, and TikToks and all the other stuff. So check out the video. That was pretty bad. It's pretty bad, but it's fine. Nobody expects, listen, nobody watching this thing expects me to be a professional. At this point, they're past it.

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Whoa, I thought you figured by, I figured for some reason by now you were at least in your early twenties. Um, okay. So what, what are your parents saying or,

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And when he, so obviously when he died, you're still in prison. Um, um, okay. So God, you, you, you, you appealed obviously with the, you know, you went in, you appealed.

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Law enforcement often questions him, not because he's suspected of a crime, but because they find him fascinating. He is the most interesting man in the world.

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I don't typically commit crime, but when I do, it's bank fraud. Stay greedy, my friends.

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So, okay, so what, well, I don't want to say what happened. Basically, let's just kind of, where were you born?

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Yeah. Yeah. And it's so funny because, I mean, I know you know this, but, you know, once you've been out a while or I guess, you know, you look back and you realize like these two guys were going to kill each other because one guy had borrowed a magazine and not returned it. And that was disrespectful. And even though he said he lost it and he was sorry, doesn't matter.

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And or he owed this guy, you know, two bags of potato chips and a six pack of soda. And he hadn't gotten in. It's been over a month. And you're like, are you fucking serious? Like that? That's what this is about. And. And yeah, the guys are ready. I guess there's no way to sue each other in there. So you can't really call the police. They're not going to work out for you. So it is just insanity.

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When at the moment, though, Feels like the biggest deal in the world. It does seem like the biggest thing in the world in the moment. That guy's disrespected me. I'm not going to put up with that. If I put up with that, then other people are going to fucking talk shit. Fuck that. I got to go do something. What are you doing? You know?

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Oh, that's just it. Yeah. Listen, I'm I'm I'm I'm glad when I was I was raised like, you know, middle class, you know, like I look at the I actually at one point, I don't know if you probably don't know anything about Tampa, but in Tampa, there's an area of Tampa called Ybor City and. Well, there's Hyde Park and there's Tampa Heights.

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And I owned a ton of properties in Ybor City and Tampa Heights. And, you know, so it was an area where, you know, it was being fixed up. You know, the city was coming in and renovating houses and tearing them down and building new houses. And there were development companies coming in.

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And so, you know, I came in, I bought a bunch of houses on this one street and I ended up living on the street of Amelia. And I used to go out in the morning, like on Saturday, I would go out in the morning and I would sit on the front stoop and drink coffee.

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And one of my tenants would come out and then we had a buddy that they would come over and we'd kind of just sit there and drink coffee and talk about whatever we were going to do that day. Just what we had done that week because we were all basically real estate.

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And I had a next door neighbor that this woman who had, she probably had three or four kids, probably took care of another couple of kids. And every once in a while, one of her kids would like, you know, they'd like escape or something. Like they'd walk out the front door and you've got a two-year-old walking around in a vacant lot in a horrible neighborhood.

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Next to the dumpsters.

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They don't show them shit. They just got a clipboard and a piece of paper. They don't show them anything. They just, they literally just, they're calling the driver. Oh, they just back it off and then the driver's the one who says sign here for it.

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Yeah, you don't know until it's too late.

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Are they getting, uh, um, getting a hard time by the police also. Oh yeah.

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Well, they got two cars. That's something.

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It was a G-Wagon and it was a Bentley. Did they grab the guy? Would they grab the guy?

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But you would think the cops would have. Well, hung back and put a tracker on both those vehicles and then just waited for people to come pick them up because now they would be tracked and they wouldn't know it. You see what I'm saying? And then you could follow them to where they're going. I mean, yeah, but at the same time. That doesn't seem like a difficult investigation.

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So carrier has that carrier.

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One, you can check the email.

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And the email is always from like Ukraine or somewhere. And then the other thing they'll say in there is they always use, we are interested in conspiring with you to represent our – and you're just like conspiring.

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Yeah, these words. It's like it's really out of context for a sponsorship. You know what I'm saying? Like they use the same basic phrases over and over again.

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And so some truck shows up at my house… That's where it's getting picked up from, yeah. If it's at my house or at my dealership and they…

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They found those two cars that you... Do we know where the cars are? What do you mean? Which cars? You're saying at this point there's 10, 15 cars missing. It's a long story. Okay. At this point, are you still thinking there's a bunch of rich celebrities or something driving around Beverly Hills in new vehicles?

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And he posed for the, is this the, was it the driver?

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So, you know, do you think you could kind of fake like an accent?

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Let's hear the accent. See, the problem is you don't feel comfortable with it because you don't mock people enough.

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If you mocked people like I mock them, you get pretty good.

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Luis R. Conorica is driving a stolen. Rolls-Royce Cullinan.

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That sounds, to me, it's already suspect.

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But this Mexican guy probably doesn't know that.

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I'm like, there's stolen cars here right now. Do they have a stolen car like department or unit? Mm-hmm. I mean, we need to talk to Vic.

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Yeah. Like like we we've interviewed a guy named Ferrari.

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You could go on his show to Ferrari. He was he for 20 years. He worked in the I'm saying 20 might have been 10, but he worked in the auto theft unit for New York City. He's got tons of – I mean he talks about busting them, shipping Audis to China, to Hong Kong, to like all these different ones. He seemed like he was – well, he made himself sound like he was really on it.

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And that's all you get is a piece of paper. So nobody's bought the car?

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Yeah, Skinny Kim. Skinny Kim. Sorry, Keem. Yeah.

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You didn't call somebody and say, hey, I need you to go pick up this?

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Why not? Because we already know the cops won't do anything. Yeah.

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Matter of fact, it's the same car you already sold. Now I can just sell it to that guy. I already got paid for that. Get my money back.

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This is like weeks later. I've been looking. This is when I've been looking. No, I know that, but you had told the guy on the phone, my guy will pick it up. They said it's not ready.

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So the same day, five hours later, you finally get the cops to show up. Yeah, because it was like first thing in the morning. So the cops show up. Do they get anybody or they just find the cars and run the vans?

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I never got. They didn't pull back and wait and let's stake this out? No, they definitely didn't do that. They definitely didn't do that. And then they go grab somebody and then they couldn't, you know, I was there club, but they clubbing them there, you know, stop resisting, stop resisting.

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Because I feel like Skinny Keem would give up the other guys. He'd give up all the other guys. He'd put the whole thing together for them. If it was Skinny Keem was involved, I feel like he'd be like, yeah. Did he throw everybody under the bus? No, he said no.

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driving a 300, pick it up a $300,000. That was a Lamborghini.

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They're not keeping you. Even though you're the one who's calling these people. I'm the one, yeah.

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What's going on in society.

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Well, since you know where the shop is, you think the police just go check it out or stake out the shop as every three hundred thousand dollar, four hundred thousand dollar vehicle pulls in. You go, let's go ahead and write that. Right. Let's figure out what the tag number is. Let's figure out what the VIN is. Let's just, you know.

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Are they just on the payroll? I mean, I think, I think, I think a lot of it was, I know where Smitty's garage is. I pick up a, pick up an envelope there every week.

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Did you ever see that video? Or did you ever see that documentary?

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You didn't see the documentary?

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Don't fuck with cats? Don't fuck with

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are you serious it's literally somebody somebody posts a video about killing a cat or actually several cats and people start stalking this person on the internet right so they start through google through photos he's put like the whole thing they eventually track the guy down it turns out he's a serial killer he's killed two or three people and they track him down and he gets arrested

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This actually looks like something I would watch. He'll post a photo, and then they've got a whole group of kind of internet sleuths that get together, and they're like, okay, that is definitely in, you know, whatever, Eastern Europe, or that is definitely when they start tracking it down. Then they're like, okay, that photo behind him is this, and they start piecing it together.

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They piece everything together.

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Isn't that that imaging thing that tracks him down through? He's got to have a Facebook. A guy as good looking as that's got to be on Facebook.

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Well, and he's got all these cool cars to show off to. Yeah, exactly. He's got to have an Instagram of him, you know, probably not smiling at him.

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No. Well, it doesn't matter. It still gives you something. Something to go on.

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Getting some work done. That house. Yeah. No, not that house. I just meant if you can track, if you know who she is, how do you track down her? Can you get to her Instagram? Oh yeah, I did. Okay. Yeah. I mean, you've got the photo. You could just go to one of those photo things on the, where you drop in the photo and it tracks down and finds that person.

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Thank you for pointing that out. All right. I haven't lived the life that most people think I've lived.

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I drew those lines to show how it would look. Got it. Got it. Can you show that?

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So like, but he drew like, so you can see it's a consolation, but it wouldn't be that way. If you were looking at it, it'd just be the pinpoints of light.

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But he knows the consolation.

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So these are all very unique.

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Okay. Definitely. So, all right. So, you know, it's your car at this point. Do you know where it's at? How do you figure out where was that address in California? The, um, the address that this photo was out, the influencer photo, like the lady, the girl, the woman that was, I wouldn't call her an influencer.

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Were they like spoke wheels like the ones the Mexicans wear? The ones they put on there? No, no. The big white walls?

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You met with the, with the mariachi music in the background and you're sitting there like, Oh my God, what's happening?

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In LA, somebody can move in your house. and you have to evict them. Like they can just break in your house practically and move in and say, I live here. And then they got squatters, squatters. And then if you're like, okay, well I'm going to come in the house. No, you're not. And the cops will, there was a video the other day where the cops arrested the homeowner for going to his own house.

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Like I can go in my own house. Like, I mean, these people moved in five days ago. I've called, you're not doing anything. You got to evict them. Evict. Like, listen,

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The problem is the conversation they're having between each other is like, this motherfucker wants us to go out and arrest criminals. who does this guy think he is? That's not what we do.

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I don't mind going by. Why?

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So, you know, there's a stolen car in Mexico.

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I feel like this is a case for Kash Patel. That'd be great. I feel like that's the way to go. This may be a case for... Tom Simon.

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For the FBI. I'm sorry. He's now a a state of a licensed state of Florida private investigator.

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Yeah, so he's the guy that will write it up just like he's an FBI agent because he was for 26 years. And then he walks it into the field office. And they know who he is.

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Yeah, they know it. They give him respect. They come out and they don't go, yeah, yeah. Well, they sit down and they go, here's what's going on. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Here's the course of action. And then they're like, ah, fuck. All right. And then they go through with it. This is the most, it's so fucking pathetic. That's what you have to do to get anything done.

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Like it's such a clear crime that's happening. And really, let's face it. What is it? All it takes is one guy to walk in that dealership and go, man, I saw that thing on Instagram. Let me see it. Oh, okay. Yeah. Okay. Take a picture of the VIN number and say, yeah, yeah. Okay. So you guys are all going to fucking jail. The VIN number had been swapped. Oh, they swapped it.

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How do I know a swap? No. Obviously, it's a difference. How do you know which car it is? Yeah. How are you going to do now?

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Do you think they swapped it all over the car? Because those VIN numbers are in a lot of places. They didn't.

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So it's not hard to fucking crank this motherfucker up.

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What are we, fucking children you're driving? You're a fucking thief.

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So what are we doing now? Did you call Dog the bounty hunter? He'll go to Mexico.

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I think he got arrested going to Mexico.

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Yeah, he, like, went to Mexico or something. They, like, arrested him or something. He's like, oh, shit, this didn't work out.

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I would think you would have hired an attorney to go after the guys that handed over the vehicle to somebody that... didn't provide the correct information. Like I ordered the vehicle to be picked up.

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Or they probably, what do they call it?

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When insurance companies do that,

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Typically, the insurance companies will go and then they'll go to the other insurance companies and say, come on, man, don't make us fucking sue you.

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You looked at it. You knew who ordered the fucking vehicle.

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They're putting a lot of effort into this. Yeah, but it sounds like it's got a huge payday. I wonder what they really ended up getting for that vehicle.

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Like you've got to go to your boss and say, you know, the money that I had wired, I had you wire here and for the car. Yeah. Well the car's gone now and these guys have your money.

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And if you get pulled over and they say, hey, this is stolen, I'll be like, what? That's crazy. I paid big money for this. Here, you can go shopping right here.

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I always thought that was a scam when they were selling a vehicle that's clearly... No, no, it's not a scam.

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No, I understand they're stolen, but I kind of assume even if you know it's stolen, then they just take your money and they don't give you the vehicle.

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What kind of trouble can the guy who buys this vehicle get in?

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Can he get in trouble? Yeah, fuck yeah, he can. All right, forget it. I thought I had a new car.

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And these guys aren't giving up the money because they're saying, oh, it's not our fault. All right. Okay. So how'd that go? How'd that conversation go?

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Where's, where's a snackle tooth. What's his name?

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Tooth fairy. Where's tooth fairy.

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Do we know? We're not worried. We're not talking about it. We don't want to talk about it right now. Not really worried about him. He's low on the totem pole still. Makes me mad.

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No, it's going to pop up. You think the singer's going to start feeling bad about it? No. He's going to think, you know, I was harsh. I really should do the right thing.

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I mean, you would think that the local cops would be like, I don't think that's cute. You know what I'm saying? Like, oh, you're saying come and get it? Like, are you driving it? It's almost like he's not denying it.

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Yeah, I mean, I'm sure, but... I mean, well, he's definitely not denying it. I mean, there's videos of him in it, and it's obvious. No, I'm not saying he's not saying. I'm saying... I'm not suggesting... He doesn't have a vehicle. What I'm saying is he's not denying that it's stolen. He's not saying, no, this is not stolen. I bought it from a dealership. He's entertaining it.

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He's kind of like, come get it, motherfucker. If you think it's stolen, then come get it. You know what's funny, though? I figured this out.

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It's funny because I've been a few times. It was like 20 years ago. And like the local... The tourist areas were super... You feel like, oh, Mexico's like this. The truth is, even the tourist areas... That's a lie. You cross the wrong fence and you're getting your head cut off.

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Yeah, you're getting... It's a horrific place.

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Cops aren't going to help you. They're shaking you down. There's nobody to help you. Of course, then again, that's what it's like in LA. They don't want to help you anyway. No... Yeah.

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Did you call back the phone number, the Armenian number? What did he say? Did he answer? Got you. Nice car, motherfucker. No, he did not.

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Are you serious? I know it's not funny from your point of view. I had the text. That's horrible. That's just wrong. Yeah, that's funny.

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I hung up. Well, these are the people that are helping you. You're never getting anywhere. Oh, yeah. Luckily, he didn't have too much to offer, but. Hey, you guys, I appreciate you watching. Do me a favor. Hit the subscribe button. So you get notified of it. Sorry. No, hit the hold on. You hit the subscribe button and you hit the bell. So you get notified of videos like this.

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Three to five business days? They'll have found that thing by then.

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Yeah, they get whatever's in between money. You're saying I'll pay $1,200, they get it for $900, they make $300.

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He got a, he got a, he got a, an order. Yeah. He got paid. He picked it up. He,

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that's the guy in the apartment next door to me

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You know what that scene reminds me of? Don't do the Taken thing. I don't know who you are.

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these guys are giving a 300 plus thousand dollar vehicle to a guy who's missing half his teeth okay yeah or more

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She was a female.

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Right.

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And she was, she's an army veteran. She's a U.S. Marshal. And these guys did not want to take orders or directions from her. Well, one of these task force officers, local cop, urinated in her cookies. That man at one point grabbed her in the office when she was trying to walk by and started almost groping her and just feeling her up. Other people saw it. And they laughed. She felt embarrassed.

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Well, while that was going on, the one task force officer who hit Dawn, shoved her, he found out I was going to a New York Mets baseball game during this investigation. And him and a couple other task force officers made it a point to go to that baseball game, which was in Queens, and it was on law enforcement appreciation night.

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And he confronted me at the game, and we got into a big argument, cursing, and nose-to-nose. We were gonna fight, and it went on for a couple of seconds, and then it just stopped. I walked away and left, and I reported it to my chief, like, this is what happened. This is gonna be, you know, an off-duty incident. You know, I'm gonna get investigated. But...

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So strangely, there was law enforcement appreciation night. There was a bunch of members from the New York City task force office there who witnessed this. And one happened to be the chief of the whole task force. So the next day, he made it a point to remove that task force officer from the task force.

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I'm originally from Queens, New York, Rockaway Beach, my whole life. I went to grammar school there and then high school. And after high school, I went in the Navy for about seven years. I was... military police but in a navy that's called Master at Arms. I served in Desert Storm and I became a military police investigator and then became a instructor for shipboard security engagement tactics.

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But he was still able to work with them, but he couldn't be in the courthouse anymore, couldn't be in the office space. So, the results come out about the office culture investigation. Right. So now, my chief is livid. He's like, this is insane, you know. First of all, I wasn't even there when these things were happening, so how can I be a bad supervisor?

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And when I did hear about it, I reported it and got involved and confronted the supervisor. So my chief and the marshal then argue with the leadership from the marshal's headquarters. And he's, you know, they go through the whole list of complaints. They're like, you investigated all this and went through this stuff and found nothing, nothing at all.

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You're going to let this deputy marshal female tell you that somebody peed in her food. Right. And you're going to ignore it. Well, one of the people on that telephone call said he didn't know about that. And now that we bring that to his attention, he's going to instruct internal affairs to investigate that specific incident, just that one.

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Not these other ones that she had listed. So, you wait a month or two, internal affairs comes into the office which they're terrible, they're absolutely horrible. They're the people that cannot get into the warrant squad, they're jealous, they're angry, you know, they're tools.

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Right.

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So, they come in, now their first person they want to interview is the guy who tried to fight me at the baseball game who's no longer on the task force. So, now we're a year after this all started from the office culture investigation and he comes in and they sit him down in internal affairs out in long island they they come up and uh They ask him, you know, do you know why you're here?

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And he says, no. And they're like, well, is there anything you would like to tell us? And he goes, yeah, I would. He goes, Bobby Lederger is a racist. He covers up crime. He's the biggest problem in the task force. This is a year later now. This never came out during the office culture investigation. I wasn't even mentioned.

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Oh, no, he's Greek. He's Greek.

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From Long Island, white guy.

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And we all hung out, like we all worked together, went out to the bars together.

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That's it. He's racist. Racist. So, then him and his co-worker partner who was on the task force kind of Agreed. And then he interviewed him. Yeah, he's a racist, he says the n-word all the time and everybody knows about it. And we're only coming forth now because of how much damage Bobby Ledecker caused to the task force by having him removed. I'm like, okay. So, this goes on.

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So now, they try to create scenes or scenarios or incidents where I said specifically the n-word and one was during an arrest and they said that and one of the other guys who were one of the bad actors in this tased the perp when we were arresting him and it was a white guy.

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Right.

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And in the past, they had stolen a car. We got into a car chase. It was an arrest in Long Island at a gas station. And they were like, yeah, Bobby Ledecker went up to the white girl. And there was a black guy passenger in the car. And there was supposedly a white girl in the back seat. and said, that's what you get for dating a black guy. The end guy.

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Yeah, yeah.

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But so odd is that the white girl on scene was Dawn, the marshal.

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Right.

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Who was in my car during this. But internal affairs didn't want to hear that. But they were using that scenario, that incident. Right. But what's more strange is that one of the guys, the marshal, tased the perp who was getting arrested. So if you were to pull that taser

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incident report you would know the full investigation of that what it was so you could see all the players there but they didn't right so they came out and they were like yeah we hear that he says the n-word at parties you know we're out at bars one of them and it makes us feel uncomfortable now and we have to tell you this now because it's so bad because it took us a year to come up with this longer yeah yeah it's going on for years but it yeah um

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But then they started shooting themselves in the foot because then the supervisor goes, yeah, I think he does say the N-word. Well, you're a supervisor. Why didn't you report me instantly when you heard that?

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So, while I was in the Navy, the Marshal Service was recruiting. They created this program called Operation Shining Star, and it was going after targeting military personnel to join. And I was one of them and was selected. and went into the Marshal Service in 1995. So, how long were you in the Navy? In the Navy, almost seven years.

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Right.

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So you're a dereliction of duty. These other guys are not supervisors. They're investigators. So they'll play that. So they investigate me and they're like, you're a racist. Then they said, one of my sources of information, an informant, was married to my wife and that's why he's my informant. What? What? Yeah. One of your informants was married to your wife?

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This is what the bad actor said about me. That I was associated with a felon and he and I owned a gym together.

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Okay.

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And that same guy is my informant. And prior to that, he had been married. Okay, not when you said married. No, this was a story they made up. Okay. That he was married to my wife.

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Yeah. All lie, total lie.

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Oh, no, no. They were questioning me about that, everything. And they were like, you let your informant live at your house, he was married to your wife, they're having sex. I'm like this, internal affairs, these are my own people asking me these questions. So, what are you trying to get at? So, it's all lies. Right. And you can easily find it. The best is that they said I owned a gym with him.

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I don't go to the gym.

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Right.

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You know, I'm like, look it up. Do these reports. There's no financial gains here. Nothing. Lies that people were making about me. Other cops were lying about me, but we're not going to go after them.

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Nothing at all. And now, what if a famous quote we would say to people when we were investigating a fugitive and you're fine and like, oh, we're going to charge you with harboring a fugitive, aiding and abetting and lying to law enforcement. If you lie to me, I'm a federal agent. You go to jail for five years. Right. Well, what about these people?

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task force officers who were deputized that are lying to internal affairs so about another government official. Nothing ever happens to them. I mean, these people should have been arrested and charged, but no. And internal affairs would just turn around and be like, well, we're just, we got to investigate the accusation that's brought forth. But it's a lie. Right. And we've told you that.

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So, this goes on and I completely deny everything and there's no evidence to show I did anything, but Some people from the Marshal Service, the Internal Affairs investigates it and then they push it forward and they write up their report and they cherry pick the words. Right. And it's all selective and opinionated. And then we have what's called a proposing official.

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This person turns around and says, I don't believe Bobby Ledecker. I believe these four to five other people that you are a racist and you use the N-word hundreds to thousands of times a day. Even though the only people saying you do it... Are these four guys that I... Four bad actors that are originally named in the complaint of sexual harassment.

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And even though you have outstanding evaluations, you have awards and you work with the most diversified group of people and there's no complaints at all about you, nothing ever brought up, you don't have any complaints from any people you arrested, anybody in the public, nothing. We believe them. You're a liar and we're gonna fire you. And so this was in 2017. I was proposed removal.

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I had to hire a lawyer because we have no union and we have some silly association, the Federal Law Enforcement Officers Association. It's a joke. And I have a private attorney. Cost you a lot of money.

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I went in right out of high school in 1988 and I got out of the Navy on a Saturday in June of 95 and on Sunday, June of 95, I was in the Marshal Service. I didn't even have a break of service at all.

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Right.

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And I go before this deciding official now. We have like two months to prepare. I collected hundreds of letters of support. My background was perfect. And I go before this woman who's a chief and plead my case to her and present evidence of those people being racist and sexist and degrading and lying about me.

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Well, what's so strange is that before I get to do that and sit down with her, the day before, she oddly gets a phone call from a civilian who wants to report to her that I steal cell phones from people I arrest and I gave her one and that I'm a bad person.

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It's very confusing, right? So, this woman was the ex-girlfriend of one of the guys I worked with in the task force who was friends with these bad actors in the task force, rode a motorcycle with them. Well, somebody, one of those men gave her their name and phone number to the deciding official, which is all secret. This is all private.

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And then that I stole a cell phone and gave it to her. So, you're in possession of stolen property.

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Well, this is even better. That deciding official tells us And my lawyer is like, you have to start in it. You have to report that to internal affairs. Right. So now I have a new internal affairs investigation on me while I'm getting proposed to be fired. Right. And, uh, Now we move forward towards our hearing, talk to her for a few hours, and the woman is just blown away. She can see it.

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She's like, this is pure retaliation. This is horrible.

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No, it's just me and her with my lawyer.

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No, but Dawn wrote a letter in support of me. That's the best you can do is that we have letters of support to refute that. And she read every one. She listened to me. And she just asked for some additional supporting documents that my lawyers provided. But keep in mind, I'm being proposed to be fired. Right.

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And, you know, went to to training in Glencoe, Georgia. And then after that, I went right to Eastern District of New York, Brooklyn, and served almost all of my 25 years there in Brooklyn. In the beginning, I started out as a deputy in working court operations, prisoner transport, serving some like civil process, administrative duties, and doing my little rotations in the warrant squad.

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a federal agent, I lost my gun, my badge, everything, but I still had my title and I have to go to work every day in administrative roles while I'm being like waiting. Yeah. So, this is

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in 2017 and now we leave and it was on good friday and she when we left the lady was like have a happy easter i knew i was going to win yeah and um that she would run and it was like a week later and she found she cleared me of everything it was unsubstantiated but keep in mind i don't get my attorney fee money back right i don't get any personal money i spent nothing you don't get nothing back you know it's just stress on you

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And now I have an open internal affairs investigation for supposedly giving this woman a cell phone. So now I have IA looking at me again after I just got... Cleared. Cleared. So that goes now, that's April 2017.

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a year or so later and I'm not a lawyer, I'm not a scholar and maybe I'm too stupid to realize what was going on and I'm very shocked like how could you do this to me knowing that I have my chief and my marshal and everybody supporting me. Even other people from the task force are like this is crazy what's happening and I'm still in my position of power of being a supervisor at a warrant squad.

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And keep in mind while all this is going on, I have some of the biggest cases of the world I'm working. I'm part of the investigation, arrest, extradition, and trial of El Chapo.

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So, my name is right there on the paper as being a supervisor on this investigation with other marshals I worked with, with the DEA out in Long Island. Huge, and it's happening in Brooklyn. As I'm being investigated, this is going on. So, I'm under investigation. It lingers for two years, not until April 2019, do I get a notice from internal affairs that they want to talk to me?

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It's like, you gotta be kidding me. This is, this has been going on forever. Right. So thinking nothing's going to happen that they would have just dismissed it. Right. As that's happening, I also arrest a US Marshall's top 15. It's like an F equivalent to a FBI top 10. Right. This guy, Andre Neveson wanted in Brooklyn on the Marshall's top 15 for a decade.

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was on America's Most Wanted with that John Walsh. Yeah. And he murdered his sister and his girlfriend. So, so many people worked that case. They stepped all over it. It was a disaster. I come in and we get a teletype that his FBI number is hitting in Connecticut. What does that mean? That he was fingerprinted and it comes back to his match.

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His fingerprints match this FBI number, but the name and the date of birth aren't the same. So, Bridgeford, Connecticut, let him go. They let them go. They don't follow up. So, we come into work the next day and I got to teletype and I'm reading over it and I asked one of my analysts to call up there to find out. And we go back and forth. We're like, can you share a picture with us?

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So, we're like, holy shit, this is the perp. This is the guy. So, now I have to make a couple phone calls. People are like, nah, there's no way. He's in Trinidad. He's dead. He's that. It's his fingerprints. It's him. It's him. It's solid. So, now we're trying to do some due diligence because of the different AKAs and that.

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It's not. Yeah, it's not. So, it wound up being like a traffic violation and so the Bridgeport PD, we start working well with them and they're giving us information, sharing photos, information on the car and I go in and my chief now is working with a couple of the other supervisors and they're planning the trial security of El Chapo.

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So, I walk in and I'm like, hey, we're going to arrest a top 15. And he just laughed. He's like, yeah, okay, whatever. Meanwhile, I just got done working El Chapo with the extradition and I'm under criminal investigation. Right.

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So, within an hour, I had set it all up with guys up in Connecticut, coordinated everything and they were sitting outside his house and they're calling me and they're sending me video and photos of our guy sitting on his porch. But Dimash was like, hey, we're waiting for some backup. You know, this guy is a major player. You know, he killed two people, his sister and a girlfriend.

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So it took a little time and then I gravitated right to doing warrants and working the street and doing fugitive investigations. And after some special assignments of protection details and even some high-profile trials, I eventually was right into the warrant squad and did that. I bet your majority of my career is working warrants and I was lucky enough to be part of the...

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But he's got away with it so many times. He's been on the run. But I'm like, he's wanted out of Brooklyn and he's in Bridgeport. Within an hour, they call me up, send me a photo. They're like, we arrested him. And I got the deputy marshal up there. He's like, thank you. You just made my career. I arrested a top 15. I'm like, yeah, no problem. Not looking for anything. I did my job.

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So, I go in and I tell my chief and he's like, I can't believe this. That year, our district, Eastern New York as district of the year for being one of the largest districts in the nation, eighth largest district in the nation for the work we did with El Chapo and the arrest of this top 15. Right. Because of me. Right. But no crap. I'm like, yeah, whatever. You did your job.

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And I'm under criminal investigation. So, now I go after that... The same guy from the marshal's headquarters who made the decision to investigate me, to investigate themselves, the task force, this guy comes to Brooklyn a day or two after we arrest the top 15 because he wants to walk through the courthouse to see what's going to go on with the El Chapo trial. So, he's an executive.

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He's like the number two guy of the marshal service. So, he comes in, sees me, he gives me the typical handshake and you know, the street hug. Right. You know, like he's proud of me and all that. But never congratulates or thanks me for doing a job well done. Right. Because he's stabbing me right in the back as everything's going on. So, there I have my opportunity to call him out.

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This is the number two guy at a martial service. Right. So, I'm not a coward, you know, I'll do whatever you want. We can talk, we can debate, we can fist fight, we can argue, I'll do it all.

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Right.

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So, this guy is just a regular deputy just like me. He came up through the ranks, you know, it's just that he took all the tests and he transferred from where he was. Now, backpedal, he was from New Hampshire. And the person who investigated the office culture case was from New Hampshire.

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So they all know each other. But this guy, the number two guy, he's now running the Marshal Service. Totally forgot where he came from. Right. So I'm like, you know, you're a real, you really suck, man. I go, you know what they're doing to me and you're letting this happen. He's like, we're just going with what Internal Affairs is investigating.

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You know, whatever comes, whatever accusations are made, we have to investigate. But you initiated the investigation.

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You created this and now it just snowballed out of control and because you want to protect your congressionally funded task force because if Congress hears about this or the public hears about this, you're going to look like a real piece of garbage because you let sexual harassment take place here and you didn't defend or protect one of your own.

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You went against your own to say that we were wrong and look what we did when our own were wrong, we got rid of them. when the other people, the outsiders were wrong but you didn't want to have that political battle with outside law enforcement.

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Right.

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It's silly but it's true, it happens. So, now, I just do this big arrest, I'm under IA, now I get noticed that they want to talk to me. So finally, now I have to go to headquarters with my own private attorney. Again. Again. Right. So now I go there and I'm summoned to be there for two days. Two days of investigation against me. And it's stemmed and it's a whole list of things.

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That's how it started. That's how it started. And that was... in the middle of the interviews, in the very beginning, they asked me if I was a racist, if I used the n-word. So, my lawyers enjoying this like, that was already investigated and closed, what are you doing? You know, you're harassing them, you're retaliating. So, we put it on the record, it was there. Then they said,

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They asked me about the man who started all this. So we're like, this has already been asked and answered. It's already done. What are we doing here? So then they went in and said, one of the deputies that worked for me years ago got pulled over in New Jersey for speeding. And he got a ticket. I'm like, okay.

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They're like, we have a text chain of you two talking and you telling them like, all right, well, just go take care of it. Right. Did you, you, you called the New Jersey state police and fixed a ticket?

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the new york new jersey regional fugitive task force which started right after september 11th and um funded by congress it's one of the biggest task forces in the nation and still is and um is that so is that what you like if you're like if you're a police officer like you know a lot of them you know ultimately they want to work like homicide you know they want to like that's like

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like that's what you're getting off this day so they said i i misused my power to get a ticket fix which i didn't and that deputy admitted it saying i didn't do anything right but still they use my just throw enough at you but that was one thing that was abuse of power then they went in and said um i stole a cell phone that they have a photo of it but they don't have the cell phone then that lady said i gave

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She had a shotgun and I gave her shotgun bullets, but they don't have any of that. And now she has a criminal history. She'd been arrested before, so she shouldn't be in possession of a gun. She said, I stole a camcorder and gave it to her, but they had a picture of the camcorder that had the serial numbers on there, but they didn't run it. We don't know what that is. Right.

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Well, it gets even better.

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It's the worst state in the world to get charged with a gun crime. You know, you're going in. But they don't... They don't care.

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Because it's against me, Bobby Lettiger. Right. Then she just adds more to it and it gets better. I'm a drug dealer. I'm a drug addict. I sell drugs. I steal drugs from the evidence locker. I steal money from the evidence locker. I sell social security numbers to her. for fake ID. So, me and her collusion with social security numbers to people.

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I filed for bankruptcy, which destroys your security clearance, if I ever did that. Right. I am a bouncer at a bar. I'm 5'6", 160 pounds. Right. I'm a bouncer at a bar. I don't fight, you know. I cheat on my wife. My wife cheats on me. I misuse my government vehicle. I... You dislike, you don't like children or small animals. Nothing. All that stuff.

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But yet, I would hang out with this woman with her then boyfriend when we were working all together. We went out to dinners, restaurants, bars, but all of a sudden, this. But can't provide any evidence on any of this stuff. So, the martial service takes it and runs with it and they're going more and more and more and asking me all these questions. They never give me a drug test, they never

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Do an inventory of the evidence lockers.

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But why not? Why wouldn't you want to know the truth? Why wouldn't you want to be like, wow, this guy is getting screwed here and he's another marshal. We're going to investigate one of our own, that's what it really comes down and we're going to destroy him. Right. He's well known, he's got over 20 years in the marshal service. He's a supervisor. He's in a warrant squad.

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I've been involved in four shootings. I've got a great reputation. The men and women I work with love working with me or for me. I don't have any complaints against me. Why wouldn't you want me to be cleared? Why wouldn't you want to find the truth?

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Well, I think it's funny as I have people ask me and they're like, who is Bobby Ledyger? Like, who am I that you came at me so hard that you spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to investigate me? I mean, it got so bad. We lived in Long Island, New York. I had a beautiful house. I had a mother and daughter house on a half acre land. Nice big pool in the backyard.

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I would have parties at my house every year for all the guys and girls I worked with, friends, family. And I had to work in Brooklyn and I was a good hour or so from home. And my wife was home alone. My mother-in-law lived next door. And the neighbors would tell my wife and my mother-in-law that there's undercover cops sitting on the block. And then we were getting screws, putting our tires.

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They were coming on our property and doing, putting stuff in our cars. We were getting pulled over.

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A hundred percent. And it's a fact. That's why it started. It's a fact. It all came out because those same men who were bullying her and hit her and harassed her, They admit it in their own statements that I violated the blue wall, I went against them, I believed her over them and they admit it.

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And the internal affairs saw it and in my own people, my own leadership read it, saw it and they knew people were coming after me. So, now these people put my family and life jeopardy. They put my wife in fear. So while this is all going on, my wife's like, I want out of here. We turn around, snap at a finger, and we sell our house in Long Island.

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That's it. Yeah, when you're a deputy marshal with the U.S. Marshals, that's the goal. That's it. That's the pedestal of being in the Marshal Service. I mean, there's so many different divisions and sections, but everybody wants to work fugitive investigation warrants. You want to be on a task force. I mean, I worked with the greatest cops in the world.

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And I'm still working and she works. I have a couple of years till I can retire. My family is good. We have a condo in Queens. So me and my wife are staying there. My mother-in-law had to go stay with another family member. And then we wound up buying a house in Florida while we're still working. So, my wife's like, that's it. She talks to her boss. He finds out what's going on.

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People are like, this is insane. This can't be happening. And it's like the movie Copland. You know, it's a Vesta Salon where all the dirty cops are... Yeah. Live in one neighborhood. So, we're like, no, it's happening, you know. And even my own chief just couldn't believe it. And they were like, what are you doing? Like, I'm like, how do you protect... How do I protect my wife?

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Right.

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What do I do? You know, you hear all these people, you know. And I... not to diminish anybody or anything, but how many times do you hear people, men, you know, you mess with my family, I'll kill you.

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Right.

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Really? Really? You're going to do that? You're not going to do it. Everybody talks a big game. I had to do something. And the only way to protect my wife was to leave the state. And that's what we did. And I stayed in New York and I would take leave and go back and forth to visit with her in Florida. She worked from home now in Florida with her company out of New York, which was great.

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They helped us out a lot. And now this is in 2019.

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No one is looking out for me. I granted I had the support of my own district, the people like backed me and like you're a good guy, but that goes so far.

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I worked in, when I was in Brooklyn and the city, I worked with NYPD and, you know, coming from New York and then dealing with everybody in the nation here with different states, there's nothing better than, you know, NYPD detectives. They're like the best and... We had dozens of them. We had NYPD sergeants, lieutenants, then we had state police officers, immigration customs officers there, DHS.

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You know, I need presence, I need protection, I need money, you know, and you, what do you do?

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So, I, that was the best thing we could did. We didn't want to do it, you know, we changed our whole lives and the agency, the martial service knew I was doing that. I told them in internal affairs that I had to leave because you people did nothing for me. You knew they were coming after me. They told you they were coming after me and you did nothing. Right.

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And they still, to this day, you never helped me. Nothing. They have, they tell you when you're in internal affairs, you're sitting there like, well, you can call EAP, you know, the employee assistant program, you know, to vent to some lady in India that I'm feeling depressed or something. Right. Like, come on. So, and I'm still working. So now we'll back up a little bit again.

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She was crying. She was humiliated. She left. So then she called me and it went from these accusations, these complaints, these charges to these guys controlling an investigation and investigating themselves. And keep in mind while all this is going on, I have some of the biggest cases of the world I'm working. I'm part of... The investigation, arrest, extradition, and trial of El Chapo.

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I'm still in internal affairs being interviewed. So they're asking me about being a drug dealer, stealing money. They're asking me then if I'm a bouncer. They're asking me if I fix tickets. Now they want to see my cell phone. The government cell phone, here you go. They take it, they bring it in the back. It's gone for a couple hours. So they're downloading it. They come back and they had a folder.

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And they open up their folder, they give me back my cell phone, government cell phone, and they're showing me pictures of a naked Playboy model. I'm like, okay. They're like, do you know who this is? I'm like, yeah, I know her very well. And she was a fugitive that we arrested. Right. I'm like, okay. Internal Affairs is blown away. They're like, she's a fugitive? I'm like, yeah.

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It was all over the news. It's a big thing. I go, it was a Hague act. She kidnapped her daughter from the husband who was in France. She was from Vietnam. They issued a warrant for her. We arrested her the next day trying to flee the country with the daughter and brought her in. I said, we photographed everything that she had. She was an international playboy model, a DJ. Right. And I'm like,

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I took pictures of the Playboy book for identity and evidence. Here's all her clothes, here's all her jewelry, here's her five cell phones, her laptops, here's everything, everything we have. Here's all the emails from the US attorney saying thank you for all that information. So, it's a case file. It's a case file, 100%. And it's all there, the emails are there.

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No, you should have deleted those pictures. I'm like, no, you can't. It was on a work phone. It's legit. It's evidence. I said, it's saved in the cloud. You can't get rid of that anymore because you people in the government created this cloud to keep it. And plus, everybody knows about it. No, we think you kept those photos for self-gratification. That's a crime, you know, in the martial service.

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Yeah. It's self-gratification. So, the lady who's saying that to me, I just assumed that she was jealous because she did not look like the playboy model. So, that was a personal hit toward me. I'm like, I'm married. Been married for 25 years. My wife is absolutely gorgeous and this is the year of the internet. Right.

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I don't need to take pictures of a Playboy book when I can just go on the internet and find whatever you want. This is what we're dealing with. These are grown adults who are coming up with this information. So that was thrown out against me too. Then I was at one point being looked at or so-called groomed to be appointed as the US Marshal in Eastern New York, Brooklyn under President Trump.

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So like, I had people above me saying, you should put in your application to become a presidential appointee. While I'm being criminally investigated, while that's going on, and then because my background is so well, and then I have such a great relationship with other people that are endorsing me. But I have my own agency trying to put me in jail.

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Right.

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But I have powerful people saying you should be in charge. This is, it's a true tale of two cities, this whole story. So I put in, I'm like, this is great. So while they're investigating me criminally, they're investigating me also to be appointed.

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We even had relationship with DEA and ATF, even FBI and Secret Service. And we just worked together great. And it's, you know, when you join the Marshal Service, you know, you see it on TV and the movies, everybody wants to work fugitive investigations and track down the worst of the worst. Right. Out there, you know?

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So that's all going on. So now we move forward into 2020. And I'm still lingering under internal affairs. I've been interviewed by some people under the Trump administration for an appointment. Right. So, just can't believe it. And at this point, my wife is totally disgusted with the government to no end.

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They just, it's a shame. Like, and listen, I, what is it, proudly can say that the American taxpayers got their money out of me. Right. I work my ass off every day. So now we're in 2020, this is the year I'm eligible to retire, to have 25 years in the Marshal Service. I came on June 95, I can retire June 2020.

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So I think it was in February or March, February or March, I put in to retire, that I want to retire at the end of June 2020, because I just want out. Yeah. Well, while I put in to request that I can retire in June 2020, I am now hit with another proposed removal from everything that internal affairs did to me.

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And of course, it's abuse of power, failure to supervise, lack of candor, misuse of my government vehicle, my phone, anything you can throw in there. So I have my lawyer again. We have to write up a rebuttal. I collect more letters than the first case. All my awards again, being part of the arrest with El Chapo and Nevison, great things.

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And in New York, you know, there's no place better to work the street than there. So, I did that for years and stayed in Brooklyn mainly and then I was moving up with seniority and then I put in and I took the test and I became a supervisor back in like 2009, 2010. And my chief is a great man. He had a lot of trust and confidence in me, selected me to become the supervisor.

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So we go now to headquarters to speak with the deciding official. And this lady actually knows me, personally knows me. She was my class advisor. We even had emails exchanged that she knew what was going on at the task force in Long Island of how I was protecting Dawn and that it was all messed up.

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Right.

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But she forgot that. So we sit down and talk to her. She only talked to me for about 15 minutes. So we knew she made up her mind. She was going to get me, fire me. And I sat there and I begged, I go, listen, I'm just going to retire. I want to retire June. I can retire in June and I'll have 25 years, you know, leave me alone. So, like I said, it's the end of February 2020.

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You know what just kicked off February 2020? Worldwide pandemic. Oh, yeah. We're shut down, man. That's it. The government is shut down. Everybody in headquarters is teleworking. They're at home. I think that would help you out. We all thought it would help me out. I'm like, I can't win this fight anymore. So, April... April 17th, 2020 is a Friday.

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I get an email from human resources, martial service headquarters that I am awarded retirement, June 30th, 2020. I can retire on June 30th, 2020. Perfect. I'm in Florida. I'm using up my annual leave and sick leave because I only have a few months left. I have more time. in my hand to use up, then on the job.

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Yes. So, that was April 17, 2020 of Friday. Monday, April 20, 2020, 4 o'clock, my chief calls me, you're fired. They terminated you. Holy shit. Just like that, snap of the finger. And I just sat there And I was just, I couldn't believe it. And then I could believe it. And I'm like, all right, this is a joke. Worldwide pandemic, we're shut down. So I read what they write.

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And this lady who knew me, she's like, the martial service leadership doesn't have the confidence in you to perform at a satisfactory level. I respond back. I too don't have the confidence to respond at a satisfactory level but I've always performed at an outstanding level for the last 20 years and you all signed off on it within my record. You don't even know my evaluations are. Right.

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I'm above what you want me to be. And the best one was that the naked pictures of the Playboy model. I find that you did keep these pictures for self-gratification. Where's your evidence on? You can never prove that. I've never printed them. They weren't on the... There was nothing. Like, it was insane. But this is what they come up with. So, we then file...

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an appeal with what's called the Merit System Protection Board. It's a joke. It's a kangaroo court that's created by the government. It's supposed to be more for the employee, but it's totally turned tides and it's more for the government. And what happens is a guy like me doesn't fight them. You don't go up against the government. You don't have the money to do it. You have to pay for lawyers.

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I now am fighting them and I'm very fortunate. I have the National Police Defense Foundation backing me over the Marshal Service and they created a legal defense fund to help pay my legal fees. Nice.

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um my case is sitting and it's going to take a while it takes years because it goes before a quorum a three panel quorum right and they're all appointed by the president so biden just last year appointed three of them one already resigned so now there's only two it's like you just can't right So, that comes 2020 and what do you do? I got no job. I lost everything.

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Right.

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I lost my salary, I lost my pension, I lost my medical benefits, everything. Everything is gone. and um so for about a week you know i sat in a corner crying depressed feeling shame and embarrassment and my wife was like what are we that's it let's go you know and um i did some great things man i i had to go i went on unemployment at a new york and um I did that for several months.

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And then she's like, we got to get a job. You got to get something. But it's the pandemic.

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What job? I was put in for Home Depot. I couldn't even get that. And... Next you know, down where I am, I put in and I became a supervisor at a pre-planned retirement center. And it was pretty, it's well off place, but it was horrible, getting $25 an hour. But I had to do something, but they gave me benefits, so I had to have it.

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But I was really lucky too because I'm a veteran and the VA here in Florida was great, you know, so I had medical protection there. My wife had medical protection from her company, they were helping. Then I started searching around a little bit more and I wound up finding a good job through LinkedIn which pushing my story out there.

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Right.

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I now currently work as a security consultant for a nonprofit organization, international. I do a lot of traveling. It's great. The organization supports the hell out of me for what I did and they can't believe it. But also, what happened during all this time is I connected with some great people on LinkedIn. LinkedIn was great for me. For me.

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I had to do a couple of months in the courthouse working with everybody in there and then eventually my chief put me back into the warrant squad. And next thing you know, I'm there supervising now the guys and girls I worked with for years. But it seemed like everybody wanted that. They wanted me back there because I knew what I was doing and I made things happen.

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I didn't do Facebook or any of the other social media. I met this one guy who's an FBI agent, lawyer, who got jammed up. They went after him and he's fighting them as well. He put me in touch with another FBI agent who resigned before they could fire him. And he waited a few years until he reached a certain age. And he went back and got a government job.

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So, I connected with that guy and he was telling me about it. And I'm like, I can't do that. He's like, you have over 20 years as federal law enforcement.

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Right.

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And he goes, you're over the age of 50 now. Because you have seven years in the Navy. I was terminated with 24 years and 10 months to go. If that's not personal retaliation, you can't. And everybody knew it. So this guy educated me and gave me the policies and the programs to follow. And I like saying I used the government against the government.

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Right.

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And I got my retirement.

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So I beat them at their own game. And I got my full 32 years retirement. Law enforcement, everything. I have my medical benefits. And they give you a social security supplement till the age of 57.

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Cause I'm writing a book and it's going to be in the book, but you know what? Yes.

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But you don't know what I did or how long I did it, but it's, it's amazing. And it's what you do. to protect your family and yourself. And, you know, you can't let them get to you. And that's like the whole thing of my story is, you know, don't give up. Don't ever give up. Don't give in. Don't let the bad actors take you down. You know, and that's what I try to put out there.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Even when they come at you with things, you know, and the lies that people say about you and the false accusations and it just, it sucked. But

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you know you fight through it and now you can you know i can look at these people right in the eye and know that they're you know they're garbage you know and i'm not impressed by them you know the government lawyers are not anything they're still government lawyers if you were that good you'd be in a private sector right right i used to always say that like you don't get to the top of your field and end up working for the bureau of prison like you know like the dot from the doctors all the way down like that's just not how it works no

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And I did that for almost 10 years. Our warrant squad was part of the New York, New Jersey Regional Fugitive Task Force, which was in Brooklyn, New York City, as well as out in Long Island, which was Nassau and Suffolk County. I was also responsible for that, along with other supervisors.

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Well, you bring that up about the lie detector test and you look at like something like that with the Marshal Service and you wonder like what makes it, what's happening today with law enforcement? And I'm sorry, I jump around a little bit but the Marshal Service does not do polygraphs, they don't lie detector new employees or even their staff. Why not? Right.

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Why wouldn't you raise the standards to have the best people out there? Instead, you lower the standards. You're doing away with some of the fit requirements, the education. Right. Why wouldn't you want the best people? Your weapons quals. And it's amazing and it all comes down to like the way the culture is today, you know, current events and it's a shame.

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I mean, I was watching something a few days ago on ESPN and they were showing a story of Whitney Houston singing the national anthem in 1991.

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Right.

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What happened? What happened today that now everybody's a racist, you know, and that's the thing to call out there. Well, you're white, you're a racist. Everybody's white supremacy. Really? And what happened? Because she came out, beautiful woman, she's wearing sweats. She wasn't dolled up in a gown or anything and she sang the national anthem, the best anybody's ever heard it.

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And when I went through what I went through and to see that they pulled the race card against me, to come at me.

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Never saw it coming. The best that they said to me, they were like, I was such a racist. And I didn't have, you know, I don't even know the proper language to use anymore because you don't know what to say, but they're like, you don't have black people at your house. Like, we had dozens of pictures. I'm like, I have to prove that I had black people at my house.

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So, what happened is, out in Long Island, there was a sub-office and we had deputy marshals rotating through there. Well, we had one young lady who was really interested in doing it and it was me and another supervisor who selected her to go back there and work with the local officers from Nassau and Suffolk County in Long Island to be full-time on the warrant squad.

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My own family members are married to someone of color or anything. Right. And I have to prove this? And I had a guy I worked with, big guy and we're the same age, same exact age and black guy from Queens and we're great friends and he lives in California now, retired.

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He wrote one of the best letters for me ever and he goes off on the letter saying, you know, I'm proud of the Marshall Service for investigating racism and doing what you're doing, but you got the wrong guy. Right. Why don't you ask me? And I'll tell you who the racists are. But this is how you're going to do it? Yeah.

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No, they don't. And it's a shame and you want to hear the truth. And then just the girl Dawn I defended, she's defending me today.

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No, she retired and what's odd is though during her last year or two, they were going after her and making accusations. The same bad actors that she complained about made complaints about her that she took her dog to work, she misused a government car, like all those petty ass things. And the same lady that decided to fire me made a decision to suspend Dawn.

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So then she filed an EEO and they settled with her because they knew the deciding official was showing favoritism toward the task force. So Dawn settled her EEO. They gave her back all her lost days. They promoted her and they gave her money. But you still came after me when the original thing was I defended Dawn, you know, for what it was and it was all pure retaliation. But they pile it on.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It's just like you said, they pad the folder, they pad the case and they put so much in there and they weren't even complaints against you. Like, you're investigating...

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it's the most you're going to speak almost in a week. It's as long as we spoke. And there's been hundreds of thousands of words we said, maybe. Right. Not once did we say the N word. Right. But I say it all day long.

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And I, you know, I can hold, I hold my head up, you know, like this, you got me, you know, and, and my dad says it, And I get what he's saying and it's a shame that he thinks like that. He goes, even when you win, you lose. Because all the money I've lost over the years are going through this and somebody just called me the other day looking for help.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And he's like, well, how much did your lawyers cost? I'm like, more than your salary. Yeah. But you can't ask those questions. You know, everybody has a different amount. But if that's what you're worried about, to fight, to prove yourself, don't call me because you're going to spend a lot of money to fix this. Well, you know, like I told you about that guy, Wade, he spent over $100,000.

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What if he didn't have it? You don't have it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You don't have it. Nobody has it. That's your life investments or whatever. What are they going to do? Remortgage my house to pay for my attorneys? Right. That's why they got you. The government got you. You can't. It's impossible. You can't go take out a loan.

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Well, especially during a pandemic.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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There's no jobs out there to get a job to pay anything back. Right. So that's where they think that they can win. And they do. And they intimidate you and you're afraid of them. Of what? You know, when you sit down and you start talking to these people, it's not impressive. You know, like we said, they're government lawyers. Listen, there's some U.S.

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attorneys out there that are unbelievable and they're very comfortable just staying in the position that they're in because they have a family and it's a nine to five job. Right. You know, but you go to the private sector, you're putting in 20 hours a day. Yeah. You know, to make 18 million a year. So, you're gonna work hard.

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And she was going to represent the Eastern District and she was a U.S. Marshal. And this is now the U.S. Marshals, it's our task force, we run it.

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Yeah. And what I'm waiting for that is that my appeal is to get my Marshall's retirement.

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Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And to get my back pay for the two plus years I've lost and to get attorney fees. And then that's it. okay in the meantime i'm uh i work i um i'm currently writing a book right um putting it all out there you know and um living in florida man you know all right um do you have anything else no you got anything um one thing that i would think would be interesting if you can't talk about it uh like

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Okay.

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I can go into that too. And there's another thing too, more to add to my case, which makes it insane too, is that in August, 2014, we were involved in a shooting, arrest of a shooting of a guy named Oswald Lewis in Queens. And it was a drug case out of Virginia. And we tracked the phone. And it was like 11 o'clock at night. A house chopped up into apartments. We knock on the front door.

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Well, she was doing good for a couple of years. Right. And then some of the guys that she gravitated to, they were older and they retired, you know? And that was kind of like her... her go-to guys. Well, the other guys in the task force, they didn't really take too kindly to her.

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The owner of the house was like, no, he lives in the back. So, we're there and there's about eight marshals there and about eight, ten NYPD guys there. We surround the house, we knock on the door, nothing, you hear the TV, we take the door, this guy goes into the back of the makeshift apartment and barricades himself into his bedroom and so, we start making entry and me and this one

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other woman i worked with we didn't even get into the door into the door yet we were on the frame of the door and the perp puts his hand out and starts shooting at us and now there's six marshals in this little place like and you know they start returning fire and um You can feel, you know, it's hard to say, but you can feel the bullets going past your head.

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You can feel it, you know, the fear and the stress and the anxiety. And... So, some of the marshals wound up, when he put his hand out, they shot his hand and shot the gun and then the perp went and grabbed another gun and started shooting out the window where the NYPD cops were outside. So, during the, you know, he finally comes out, he surrenders, we arrest him and... That's gonna be bad.

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No, this gets better. This gets better. So, we get him, we put him, we have EMS there and everything on scene within seconds. And it's New York, you know, everybody's coming. So, we take him to the hospital. And now he's getting charged with, you know, attempted murder, federal agents and everything. Well, of course, in the courts, you know, it starts getting dwindled down.

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They're like, yeah, assault, you know, use of a firearm. We're like, it's felony presented. Like, what do you do? So... He defends himself in trial. So, while he's... But before the trial, NYPD talks to them. Now, he's going to start talking. They hit him with a homicide in New York. He's got a drug case out of Virginia and then he's got the shooting at us. Right.

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So, right now, he's in jail for 40 something years. Right. Okay. So, while he's in there, during now, I'm under internal affairs investigations, he's making all these accusations out of it, police brutality.

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No, but we were handcuffed and we were beating him up, calling him the N-word. Right. Everything. There's hundreds, dozens of people there watching this, including EMS neighbors.

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Everything. Right. So, this goes on and the actual, the actual, one of the actual marshals who shot him is not a white guy. I'll leave it like that. He's not a white guy. He shot him, the perp. They remove him from the complaint. And then they remove the Spanish female from the complaint. Then they remove one or two other people from the complaint. So it's down to you.

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They would make fun of her, tease her and then it just started escalating and then it got into bullying and then they would blackball her, they would ignore her. They would start messing with her desk and at one time, She went, you know, you go to Costco or BJ's and you get those big plastic tubs of cookies, animal crackers.

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It's down to five people on a complaint that are white. On the complaint. While I'm being investigated by internal affairs, it's all coming down. So now, the U.S. Attorney's Office is representing us because it was in the line of duty that we did this. It was a case. So now, the U.S.

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Attorney's Office has to rehabilitate my reputation because I was fired by the Marshal Service, which works for the Department of Justice, just like the U.S. Attorney's Office works for the Department of Justice. So they're like, how do we do this? Meanwhile, the U.S. Attorney's Office, we know you're a great guy. So this is all going on.

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I'm like, yeah, let's look what I did because they've already known. It's like they pull up and they're like, well, he's part of the whole investigation, extradition, trial of El Chapo in Eastern New York where we had the biggest... criminal in our lifetime now. Right. And it's like, we don't know what to do. And then I put on there too about the top 15 fugitive, Andre Neverson.

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It was one of the most high-profile cases for the martial service for years. It was, you know, on... America's Most Wanted several times and they've interviewed several marshals that work in that case. Right.

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And then here it is, I, Bobby Ledecker, working with an analyst who worked with me, we track down and locate this guy Nevis and all these great people from the task force that worked on that case. Right. Didn't arrest them, it was us.

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So that all went on, but now to go backwards to add to it, that person, the perp, Oswald Lewis, who made the complaint against me and other marshals of police brutality and racism, that was finally dismissed. But it was going to go forward. in Eastern New York as a trial against us, that he was suing us while he's in jail. And it's like, you can't make this stuff up, what was going on.

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And this is all in my life. This is my life for almost five years of complete hell and people are like, how did you... And only a couple people said, I would have killed myself to go through what you're going through. And you're like, no, I'm not gonna kill myself. You know, it's almost like...

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It's like a badge of honor, you know, when I'm accused of all these things from people and I almost try to simulate it to those people who made all these accusations against me are like stolen valor. Right. You know, they've done nothing, you know, and they have to come take me down to get something and, you know, these people that I worked with that did all these bad things, you know,

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they they wear the t-shirt of the job i did right you know and i give my dad my t-shirts because he's proud of me and not them so okay anything good with that or yeah that's good yeah a lot of good points we're good yeah all right i'll wrap it well one i appreciate you you coming out making the drive how far what was the drive Um, it's like an hour and a half.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It was almost, I think it was like 99 miles. But you don't think of it because I'm just down south, you know, in Sarasota. So, I'm like, oh, Tampa's an hour.

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But this is better anyway doing it. It's a better relationship.

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Talking like that, you know. And I'm all open. I mean, I'll... These are great. This is great for me, you know, for me and for you, you know, even if you had Q&A and talk about other thing. And look, I'm even open. I'm close by. If you got talks you want to do to bounce things off as from a cop point to your point, be like, what do you think?

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You know, I'll debate with you on things or whatever, man.

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Right.

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So, she would put them on her desk and share it with everybody. Well, one of these task force officers, local cop, urinated in her cookies and left it there. And she knew, you could smell it. Yeah. What's the issue? Like, why did they... Well, it came out and she was a female.

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I, you know... Well, I get that now too is I have some stuff on LinkedIn. Like, these people call me and they're like, hey, will you talk this... Like, people... And I'm blown away by it. And maybe because maybe I'm cold-hearted in a way. But I'm like, I'm not going to kill myself, you know? I'm like, I didn't go to drugs. I didn't go to... to alcohol or medication. And I didn't go to religion.

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I'm not, you know, I am who I am and that's it. Maybe I say things and I shouldn't say them, but I say what I say and I own it, you know? Well, you said people call you from... People call me and they ask me to talk to other people who are in a tough spot. Right. And it seems like a lot of veterans and it's really heartbreaking to hear it and for what they go through.

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And I feel, you feel horrible because you see the way it is today with law enforcement. And... I can't believe in America is how much we discredit the military guys and girls. Right.

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And like military people, especially if they were in special programs like military police or any kind of rescue squad in the military like special forces or anything, they should be given the top of the list to join the police departments back here or the fire departments. You know, we should not be recruit just going to Harvard to get somebody to be a cop.

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These guys and girls earned it and they should be given a job right away.

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Right.

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And they don't. And then you come back to America when they're overseas and these military guys and girls have the toughest time in the world to get their gun permits to carry a gun in the country that they defended. Right. And why? And everybody wants to put these tags on them. Well, they got PTSD. Really? You know, try to stand a post for eight or 10 hours, you know, protecting other people.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. Just that in itself, protecting the front gate of an overseas base is glorious to what happens here in America.

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And it's depressing and it's to go backwards again to talk about Whitney Houston singing the national anthem in 1991, like what happened? Why did our politicians do this to us?

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Right.

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And she was, she's an army veteran, she's a US Marshal and these guys did not want to take orders or directions from her. They just did not want to deal with her. They wanted to be, it was an all guys group out there.

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We're in trouble. We're in trouble as a country. Our military has been dismantled. It's dismantled. And you need to spend so much money on things like that. And again, where's the pride? I went in the Navy when I was 17. I loved it. I loved it. And let's revisit some other things. If you want to change the criminal justice system, let's invite

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Criminals joining the military instead of going to jail at certain things. Let's revisit that. Let's make things happen out there instead of focusing only on, you know, listening to sports figures tell us how to live our lives. Right. Or entertainers. You know, it's... Silly. It's very silly. You know, I mean, there is... Yeah. Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, I searched around a little bit. You know, my whole thing is trying to get my story out there and trying to get to bigger platforms. You know, like reaching up to you and telling it because it's just insane like what people say. Right. But I get what you're saying and I looked you up a little bit too to see your background.

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Right.

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And being my background, it's an odd thing too is I arrested a Ponzi schemer years and years ago and his name was... From New York, Long Island. But his family, his parents, lived in Spring Hill, Florida.

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Right.

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And I had to send the marshals there with the U.S. Attorney's Office and to revoke the bond and seize the parents' house. Oh, man. It's a scumbag move.

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The icing on the cake is she was a lesbian and she was an open person. She spoke about she was gay and she had a girlfriend and they did not

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But he just got, you know.

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You know to go you don't let people on bail man You can't you can't do it if you're gonna be on trial in Brooklyn and then he he fled I'm just gonna yeah, do you leave the country? yeah, he went to we went up to Canada and But we hit his cell phone and hit him. He was hanging out. He he he he turned his phone on and in a subway deli store, you know, like a fast food place.

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And boom, we had his phone and then Montreal police went in there and snagged him up there. And then, you know, it takes extradition is a pain in the ass. And it took us a few months to go up there and get him and came back. But what's really sad about the whole story is that his father was a loyal father. And then his father died after they seized his house.

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Like he just, he destroyed his, his own family.

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But that was like the most intense criminal investigation case I ever did. Otherwise, I just worked warrants and worked the street up in New York and part of the task force and then just went off there.

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you know street savages right you know savages completely i've been in shootings fights everything you know um but you know the difference you know you can tell that you know clean clean business crime too yeah well i always it always killed me when you know like you talk to these guys these white collar guys that where the marshals show up and they pull their guns and they scream and holler and they're just like what the fuck is going on like

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want that in their group they didn't want to they didn't want to be part of that but this girl she her name's out there dawn um she was well known well liked the courthouse everybody in there loved her she was um she was athletic played softball soccer she participated everything she was you know a fun person to have around

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Well, a lot of these agencies, they don't want to turn over the cases to the marshals because if they work it so long, they want to have the success of making the arrest. But unfortunately, some of them can't. And that's where they turn it over to the marshals. We have a great working relationship with DEA and ATF. But they're out in the street every day. They're building cases all day long.

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And they actually don't have the time to do surveillance and go get the perp. They have so much other stuff to do.

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Yeah, you were there.

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I mean, is there like... It was up there, it was four to six guys that were messing with her and it got to a point where she brought it to my attention and then I confronted the supervisor that was out there running, handling those guys. And he just ignored it. He said, you know, suck it up. You know, he's not here to be a babysitter. When in fact you are, you're the supervisor.

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How long ago was your case?

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That's not happening anymore. And the government does it to themselves. They just screw themselves with reporting so much to the courts and everything. Because now you can't do that. Now you have to have a full-blown search warrant to go after a phone.

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I'm a drug dealer. I'm a drug addict. I sell drugs. I steal drugs from the evidence locker. I steal money from the evidence locker. I sell social security numbers to her for fake ID. So while this is all going on, my wife's like, I want out of here. How many times do you hear people, men, you know, you mess with my family, I'll kill you. Really? Really? You're going to do that?

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Back in the day, you could do a lot more and you had exigent circumstances to pull up to work with. It's funny how you mentioned Verizon and different companies that we had a good working relationship with. But now, because of politics get involved and the way the current events are, you can't do that anymore.

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And it's funny because you know what hurt law enforcement was TV and the media and even things like this, these conversations. They use it to sell and, you know, watch Law and Order and you hear all the language. That's law enforcement language. So they have law enforcement representatives there who are retired and giving them the good street lingo, you know.

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And now you see the movies, you know, it's all there. So you can't do that anymore. You have to, you know, make a report. The agent would have to go to the U.S. attorney. They have to draw up a complaint, issue for a search warrant.

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And they still missed me.

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The computer, yeah it is. You have to have a search warrant to get any of that stuff now. It's hard. It's real hard.

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You have to babysit some of these people.

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All the time and you know, you have to develop a relationship, you have to be friends, you have to be partners, you have to get along with each other, you have to build something there. I mean, these guys and girls are carrying guns, wearing vests, you know, working the street and you're doing a lot of hours.

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So, she would do things and be like, hey, you're not checking in with me, you're not telling me you're doing hits. They would just go and do interviews and arrest people and not even tell her and she's the team leader, she's the boss. So, after these guys found out we spoke to the supervisor out there, they got more in range.

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So, now they would bully her and argue with her, totally ignore her, and then start teasing her. They would, in any... Any marshal's office you work in, you know, you transport prisoners and they try to bring their legal work to the cell block. Right. And in their legal work is porn books. Right. You know, so we would seize that. They would be in a box.

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Next thing you know, some of these magazines are hanging up on her desk. and they're opening up pitches of girls on top of girls. They're playing porn in the office where you hear the moaning and she's the only woman back there. So, it's a couple of guys against her. We bring that forward too and nothing happens but now it just escalates more and more.

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Well, there was one task force officer who had Spanish heritage and he came out and he made her kiss him every morning to say hello. And this is on your team. These are your co-workers. And she just did it all the time and just fell into that comfort of doing it. And when she told me about it, I was like, are you kidding? You got to be kidding me. We don't do this.

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I don't even do that with half my family members given. Kisses hello. So, that man at one point grabbed her in the office when she was trying to walk by and started almost groping her and just feeling her up and calling her a sexy bitch.

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Right.

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And other people saw it and they laughed, she felt embarrassed, she was crying, she was humiliated, she left. So then she called me and then that was it. I was like, just stay home. And then I confronted the supervisor again. And he now then went and said something to the guys. And it went over the weekend. And that guy was told not to come back. Well, two other guys came.

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didn't like that, so they showed up on one morning while they were preparing to do a hit and a rest. And people were like, why are you guys here? You're on a different team. And they were like, oh, we're just here to back you up. So, when they went in the house, they get the perp, but Dawn was sitting on another person in the house, just watching. Right.

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And one of those guys walked by and pushed her, shoved her, hit her, like a shoulder to the back and made her stumble. And this gave her a look. And the look was after she told me was, we can get to you. Right. You know, what are you doing? Why are you talking this stuff?

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So, that moment I told, I took her off the task force, had to go report it to my chief and she just reported so much more stuff that was happening and It went up the chain to headquarters at the Marshal Service.

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And in the beginning, Internal Affairs was going to investigate this, but some other leadership personnel who were over the task force got involved and suggested that they have an investigator come and investigate what was going on there. And it went from these accusations, these complaints, these charges to these guys controlling an investigation and investigating themselves.

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You're not going to do it. Everybody talks a big game. I had to do something.

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And this executive from the headquarters selected an investigator who was out of New Hampshire, who was part of the task force in New Hampshire, who knew the guys in the task force in New York and Long Island.

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So he investigated it, and it turned from these, you know, an assault, sexual harassment, and, you know, bullying, all these things, to an investigation on office culture, which lasted a couple of months. And the finding in that report was that I was a bad supervisor and Dawn was the problem that enraged these guys because she was not a good co-worker.

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Okay.

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So, and all these people involved, even they interviewed people that were never even there but were part of the task force, just couldn't stop praising the great work and personalities of these other guys. Right. Which we all knew was fault, we all knew, you just know, you know, and too many other people were coming and making, supporting Dawn's allegations.

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He's not calling me anymore. And so even Jess is like, she's like, what happened with Ethan? Whatever happened? I'm like, I don't know. I texted him a few months ago. I said, hey, bro, what's going on with you? He said, hey, man, I'm going into a meeting. I'm going to call you as soon as I get out. I said, never heard from him. A couple days later, I sent him another text message.

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Never heard from him.

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She goes, God, she said, you know, like he was – He was all over you for months. And I was like, I know. And I remember I kind of leaned over and tapped her. I said, never meet your heroes. Yeah. And she said, yeah. She said, he found out you were just another douchebag. I said, that's what I'm saying. I'm just another fucking douchebag. People think, man, he's so cool. He's so this, he's so that.

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You, you never know what, here's the thing. I try and give people the benefit of the doubt because you never know what's going through, what's going on in their life at that moment. And listen, that's true. These people at CrossFit, we were driving home this morning and I said, I kind of feel like told Jess, I was like, I feel this is my wife, Jess. I was like, I kind of feel bad.

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I said, because I'm, I'm so depressed and irritated that I'm, I'm even at that place. Like I don't get that way at the gym. When I walk in the gym and the people at the front desk say, hi, I'm like, hey, what's going on? You know, like, hey, what's up? And I keep walking. I'm like, I'm in better spirits because I don't mind the gym. I hate CrossFit.

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So when they're trying to explain the, OK, so we're going to do the burpees and then we're going to do this.

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And so a hack split is and I'm looking at him like. just mentally exhausted. And even, I can't even pretend to be, to be enthusiastic. And when they're like, look, I know it's hard, but you know, once you get through it, you're going to get, you're going to get muscle memory and it's going to be way easier. And I'm just looking at him like, like, I don't even pretend.

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I'm hating – in my – mentally in my head, like I'm – if I had a club, like mentally I'm picturing myself clubbing this person's club.

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Because they're so peppy and so hyper and so excited. It's disgusting.

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He could have had a fight with his wife.

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Listen, Joe Rogan is not watching this program. You know how many of the people that watch my stuff have written him and emailed him? What's his name? Jody?

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Listen, how many people have sent him emails saying, you got to have this guy on your program. You got to have this. So, you know, he's, if, if all those people, there's no way he's ever watched my program. He has no idea who I am.

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So I'm waiting. You don't know, but listen to this. Here's what's funny when he, you know, soft white underbelly, which I was on. Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, I'll fight underbelly is love. Love that dude. That Mark Leda. Yeah. He's great. So I went to LA for just for a, I was meeting with some producers and I was doing a couple. And so I scheduled a bunch of podcasts.

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That was one of the podcasts I scheduled. So I did Soft White Underbelly. Well, Joe Rogan, like eight months or a year later, came across Soft White Underbelly. And he's like, I've been watching it for like four days straight, five days straight, whatever he said. And then he said, man, this guy, he does homeless people, drug acts. He interviewed this con man on there.

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He interviewed and he starts naming. Well, I was at that time. I don't I probably still to this day. I was the only con man. that he'd ever interviewed. So I, people in the comment section were blowing up, blowing me up going, bro, Joe Rogan just talked about you on the podcast. And I was like, what? And I, then I went and I watched it.

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Somebody said, Hey, timestamp, you know, one minute, 12, whatever. And I was like, I watched it and I went, I went, oh, yeah, yeah, he probably definitely did mean me. He probably watched my thing.

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Oh, and now he does it like it's almost every day. Listen, that guy's on a mission.

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Yeah, no. Well, here's the thing about if you were to go out and meet him, he had this very lucrative career and made a bunch of money. And when he got to the point where he was like, okay, I'm retiring, and he kind of kicked back and thought, what do I want to do with the remainder of my life? this is what he came up with. He said, I want to document as many of the lowest people out there.

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And it was an evolution. And he explains it first. What he did was he actually did something for like national geographic or something where they had him go around the country and take photographs of different people. Right.

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I, I'm not sure, but, but what happened was that was the spark of, that started him on, there are these people on the fringes of society that have a story that nobody tells. And so he said, you know what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna start telling those people's story.

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That's- Right, right, he's not interviewing. Well, he kind of, he'll say stuff that spark it along, but- Yeah. Um, yeah. And he'll interview. I didn't know this either. Cause when I went and I interviewed with him, like I sat there and I just did this whole, whatever, an hour long interview, 50 minute interview. And I did the whole thing.

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And when I was done, he said, wow, man, that, you know, thanks, man. That was, that was great. He said, I'm definitely going to use that one. And I went, what do you, I said, were you ever, was that ever a question? And he goes, oh yeah, you'd be shocked. I use, I interview four or five people a day. I only ended up using like maybe one. And I was like, can you say why? Yeah.

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Because he said most of the people that he interviews are typically just incoherent. Yeah. They can't tell a story or stay on topic long enough that he said the ones that I can, I'll listen. I'm like, okay, here's a go. Goodbye. Thank you. And he's like, they just don't, you're like, there's nothing I can do with that. Cause he said, some of these guys stories will be an hour long, two hours long.

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He said, I'll trim it down to like 20 minutes of a coherent interview. That's why you ever noticed they'll fade in and out and they'll, he'll do the transitions. He's usually chopping out places where they went off on a tangent or just.

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Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He actually trims it into a narrative. You don't see that editing.

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Yeah, he's good at it. And genuinely just a nice guy. And he does follow-ups now, which is awesome. Right. I had mentioned to him that I was thinking about going to LA and bringing a couple people with me to LA. And I asked him, hey, would you want me to have me back on? And he was like, yeah. He's like, you know, yeah, let me know.

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Or were you already doing, I'd been out maybe, maybe five or maybe five or six months.

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No, listen, that's one of the things like, for instance, I did concrete that got a couple million views. Uh, the one soft white underbelly got a couple million views. Like I had I had three videos out that literally all of them got like 2 million views and I had no content. So if I had content at that type, I had a channel that said, Hey, this is my channel.

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And I had, if I had five videos, I probably have half a million to a million subscribers right now, but I didn't do it. I didn't do it because that was when, remember I told you, Danny, Danny Jones told me that first interview, he said, this is going to be big. He said, I can't promise it, but I feel like this is going to be a big video. You need to start a YouTube channel.

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And I was like, no, I don't have the right equipment. I don't this. He's like, you take your phone and start making videos like, oh, no, it'll be bad. And this is a phone. It's an iPhone video. I don't even know how to upload, you know. And so instead of him really sitting down and say, listen to me, motherfucker, you don't know what you're talking about.

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I'm telling you right now what I'm telling you. He didn't. So I didn't. He didn't. He didn't push it. He just went, OK, I get it. And, you know, knowing now I realize, like, yeah, it wasn't his responsibility. It's like I told you, just gave you some good advice. Go fuck yourself. And I did.

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Nothing. I'd never been on YouTube. I don't I don't ever recall being on YouTube. I tell people I must have at some point because YouTube had been out maybe a year or so. But it was in 2004, right? 2005 or no, maybe before that. But I got arrested in 2006.

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No, no. Like people weren't using this. People were uploading, you know, that they're uploading like, you know. um, like their, their, their barbecues. Yeah. Their kids' birthdays and shit.

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So I was in the halfway house and people had been telling me, you know, you got, you could go on YouTube, you can make a podcast on YouTube, but keep in mind too, there was no such, the word podcast didn't even, wasn't even created until like 2009 or something or 11 or something. So there was no podcast. That's a made up word that came in, you know?

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So, you know, people were trying to explain to me, you know, you could do it. You got to do new guys. You got to do a true crime podcast, bro. I read some of your stories. You're amazing. You could do a great true crime podcast. And I was like, well, What is that? And then people started giving me articles saying, bro, when you get out, you're gonna be getting out in a year or two.

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You gotta do one of these. Look, the top true crime podcast, these top 20, none of them are done by actual guys that were in prison. And I was like, and none of these were written by guys and you're writing stories. And I was like, okay, I, you know, like, I don't, okay, I understand. Like, I get it, I guess.

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So, you know, they were like, people were trying to explain to me, it's kind of like a radio show. But it's like they like the old radio shows that 20s, you know, they they do it and then they leave a cliffhanger. They're like 20 minutes long. And, you know, I was like, OK, well, and you do what you upload it, upload it. I don't know. What does that mean? Upload.

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You go to your YouTube channel. How do you get a channel?

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OK, I don't know. What does that mean? Like these concepts that people take so for granted now, you know, oh, just go to YouTube and watch a video. It'll tell you how to do it. It's like, what? What does that mean? How do you even get there? How do you even get like none of this existed? There was no Wi-Fi. You're saying Wi-Fi was something that came out while I was in prison. Oh, really?

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Yeah, there was no there was no like Wi-Fi and all this. And it was, you know, you plugged into like, you know, my computer was plugged in to the wall to a phone line. Right. Yeah, that was it. Like that's that's.

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13 years. You can't. Yeah. Literally, I had my probation officer email me something one time. This is I'm in the halfway house working at a gym. I go to my boss and I said, listen, man, I have to fill out a financial like affidavit thing where I have to all fill out. It's like 20 pages. And he goes, OK. I said, well, I have to print it. I don't know how to print it. He goes, well, what happened?

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She sent you an email. I went, yeah, she sent me an email. And he goes, okay. He said, where? He goes, here, forward the email to me. And I go, okay. So I forwarded it to him. And how do I do that? He goes, here, look. See this? Grab my phone. Boom, boom, boom. See that? That's my email. Here. See the little arrow? See the little airplane? Yeah. Hit that. Okay. Okay. I said, okay. He sat there.

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He goes, okay, wait a minute. He goes, all right, hold on. All right. Go over to the, it's on the printer. I said, no, bro. I said, no, bro. I need to, I need to print it. And he goes, no, I know it's on the printer. I said, it's on the printer. What are you talking about, bro? I just sent it to you. I didn't say what printer. And he goes, it's on the printer. I just printed it.

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It's in the office. And I went, and I'm looking at, I can see the printer. It's like 45 feet away, right? Maybe 40 feet away. And I looked at it and I went, no, bro, I sent it to you. Like you didn't plug it in or anything. You didn't plug your phone into the, You got to go to the office and go on your email. And he goes, bro, my phone is connected to the Wi-Fi. I just printed it off the Wi-Fi.

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What? What? He goes, come here, bro. He walked over to me, and sure enough, there was fucking like 20 or 30 pages of the thing. It was magic, bro. I almost felt like one of those Indians where they land in the helicopter, and they think they just came out of a metal devil, and they kill all of the pilgrims or something in the Amazon or something.

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They show him a picture on their phone, and these guys are like, oh, my God. Those are pictures of people in his phone. Black magic. Kill them all. Yeah, they think it's magic. It was like magic. I literally thought, oh my God, he's the devil. Kill him.

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Stepping into the future. I used to say that all the time. It's like I've stepped into the future. It's insanity. Do you understand? This is like... This is like the most powerful thing. And look, you know what I do? You know what I have on here, by the way? This is funny. And so many people take this for granted. I have Hal from 2001 Space Odyssey. See, Hal, you know, 2001.

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I stopped thinking they were to come get me and tell me they'd made a mistake.

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Yeah. I literally at four o'clock, I felt sick to my stomach every day because for four o'clock count, you have to be in your cell to be counted. You have to be standing up in your cells so the guards can count you. And at four o'clock, anybody who spent more than five or ten years in prison will tell you four o'clock every day for about a year or so, I felt sick to my stomach.

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Like I need to be in my cell. I need to be. What is going on? Like I felt so uncomfortable around three. Yeah, it's just it's sickening. So that's, I was super aggressive when I got out to like very aggressive to every, everybody, even though I, you know, I say, well, I'm assertive. Like I'm not going to attack anybody.

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They're like, yeah, but the way you behave, the way you, you respond to people, you know, that, Hey man, you're going to eat that. You're going to eat that, bro. Can I get that? Let me get that.

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There was so much more base in my voice. what's up? Yeah. What's up? Like I wasn't, it wasn't, I wasn't, you know, even the joy base in my voice, I was still a soft ass cracker. Right. But, but in prison, I was like, yeah, what's up, man? What do you mean? What's up? The high ends were taken out.

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I got so I got an Android because it was cheap, right? Well, yeah, the iPhone is right. So I got an Android and I was it kept getting viruses and shit like these guys were these guys at the at the halfway house were like, bro, download, you know, Redbox. You can watch any movies for free. And I was like, oh, OK, I'm downloading stuff with viruses on it.

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And everybody's always like, oh, you must have been going on porn site. Bro, porn sites weren't even on my my radar.

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Yeah. my thing is getting shut down and I'm asking guys to help me. Nobody wants to help you. Nobody, you know, so at some point I go to, I'm at the gym one day, you know, I said, man, my, my, my phone is just, I have to shut it off every 20 minutes and restart it and reboot it. And how do you this? And he looked at me, he said, man, come on, listen. He said, do you have any money at all?

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I've paid you this much money. You have some money. So no, I got a little bit of money left. You know, I got some money. I got some money had come in and, and he said, we're going to go get you an iPhone. And I was like, well, what do you mean? I said, how much are those? And he was like, no, you can get one that's like the older model, not the newest one. They just came out with the newest one.

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So you can get one that's like the old one. They're giving them away. He said, it's going to be a few hundred bucks. He said, they'll finance it for you. Oh, I don't really have credit. He said, it doesn't matter if you have my credit or not. If you have no credit, they'll finance it. And he's like, they can't give these things away. So I was like, okay. I was like, well, why do I want that?

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He said, let me tell you why. He said Steve Jobs knows. He knew a long time ago that most of this country is made up of idiots. He said, and you're an idiot right now. He said, you're a smart idiot, but right now you're basically a tard. He said, and even a tard can use the iPhone. He said, look at me, Matt. He said, I can barely read. He's I didn't graduate high school. I could barely read.

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He said, I can use the iPhone. Steve jobs took away all those choices that don't mean anything. He said, and simplified it to the point where any moron can use an iPhone. He said, you need to use an iPhone. I was like, all right, bro. I got to learn a whole new thing. I can't even, well, you don't have to learn anything new. He said, you can't figure this fucking thing out yet.

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He said, listen, within four or five days, I was doing great on the iPhone. Wasn't getting... Huh?

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Apps. I'm doing this. I'm swiping this way. I'm learning how to close out all these things. I'm doing this. I'm dragging shit. I'm making copies. I'm sending stuff. I'm using the Wi-Fi.

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I'm walking in places going, hey, what's your Wi-Fi code? I mean, I was like, you know, people are like, wow, it's easy. You're on it. You know, I'm showing other people the halfway houses. How you doing, bro? You better get rid of that thing. You know, listen, that thing, it's and, you know, so that helped me. I don't think I could use an Android.

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I feel naked. Like if I put my phone down, like I'm definitely one of those guys who wants to grab my phone constantly, constantly.

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It's insane. Can you imagine coming out of prison? I'm coming out of prison and people are walking around talking to, I think they're schizophrenic because there's schizophrenics inside prison talking to themselves. Yeah. Yeah. They're like walking, looking at you, walking by going, yeah, man. Well, so no, I told the guy, I told the guy, I'm like, what? I don't understand what happened.

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What happened? What? And then they walk by and I realized what happened. I don't. Oh. And then I see this little white thing.

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What? And this is a little white thing.

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Yeah. Well, I won't be there. um so yeah it's it was insane it was insane and then i realized okay all these people aren't crazy they just have like earbuds in and then um and then i noticed too like i would be in a room and there'd be 40 people in the room and 38 of them are doing just looking down

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People, I noticed that people, you know, you go to dinner and there's 20 tables and 15 of the tables are people sitting there. There's three people, all of them on their iPhone, not even talking, maybe four or five people talking and periodically doing, you know, the periodically picking up their phone going.

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There's so much. What's so funny is around us, you know, the complexes around us, houses going 800,000, a million, you know, and, you know, the house I live in in Florida is probably worth about whatever, 400,000, you know, at least 400, maybe, maybe more now. So, but the houses, you know, they're, and these are kind of cookie cutter. Like there's others. places around us that are insane.

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800,000, a million. And it's not like there's like 100 of them. There's thousands and thousands of them. And I was like, the amount of money that is out there, the amount of these people that are probably millionaires, and there's just tons of them, tons of them. It just boggles my mind that I'm struggling to come up with my rent every month. And this guy has got Three cars.

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He only drives one of three cars. His wife's got another car. All of his kids have cars. I'm like, what does this guy do?

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I don't ask. I don't ask because they don't want to talk to me.

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All my neighbors, the neighbors on my street, they're all like cops. There's like three sheriff's deputies. Some guy sells insurance. Another guy is like a retiree. There's like all of them.

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Oh, he's great, bro.

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I love the one where they say, he goes, the reporter's like, well, why did your deputies... you know, fire, you know, 300 rounds into the house. He said, because we ran out of bullets. It's like, he has listened, make no, make no, make no, uh, uh, you know, qualms about it. He said, evil cannot be dead enough.

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He's he'll pull out the picture of somebody and be like, now this guy, listen to what he did. Oh, he's like, look, he's like, you know, we found this guy who was a burglar. He's burglarized like five houses or been arrested like ten times, you know, would have been in jail five times, ten different burglaries. We found him running from a house. He had been shot.

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He died at the hospital, said he was burglarized. He was breaking into somebody's house and the guy shot him. But we don't know who that person is who shot him. He said... I want them to know you're not in trouble. He said, we encourage our residents to have guns and shoot burglars.

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He's exactly like he is in real life. Listen, all the sheriffs down here are super, super conservative, super right wing, super. All of them. They want they want the citizens to have guns. They they do not like criminals. And I'll tell you one thing. Whenever I have ever been pulled over by a police officer in the state of Florida, I've been very polite.

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You don't see me saying, would you pull me over for it? I'm like, hey, bro, thank God you pulled me over. I was cheating. I'm surprised it took you so long. I'm embarrassed that you had to pull me over.

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Or is it still like... A medical... You know, you go to one of the things and you say, you know, I I have anxiety. Oh, you need marijuana. I do need marijuana.

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It's very it's a very much a law and order. And listen, keep in mind, too. I interview criminals. I hear the excuses. I but the truth is, you know, and look, and absolutely there's there's corrupt law enforcement in Florida everywhere. But, you know, this is the way I look at it. Listen, it you have a you can divide it. You can put together the perfect system, right? The perfect system.

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And then you have human beings run it. It all broke down. No, no, it's the perfect system. Who's going to implement that system? Well, we're going to have judges and police. Okay, it all fell. Are these humans? They're going to find a way to be corrupt. They're going to manipulate it. You have that in every facet of life in every single country. Is it bad in the United States?

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Yeah, but it's bad everywhere.

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Some people just shouldn't be police officers. They should not be in a position of authority, period. Now, I've been lucky that most police officers that I've ever dealt with have been very professional officers. Probably the most unprofessional.

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No, I'm just lucky. Listen, the people that were unprofessional, I've only had one or two people be unprofessional.

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And that was really the FBI. That was like one FBI agent. All police officers that I've ever talked to have been super professional. But then again, I'm super very polite, very nice, very – you want to see my ID? Of course. You can see it. But the truth is if we were walking down the street and you stopped me and said, hey, bro. Can I see your ID real quick? What's your name?

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I'd probably pull my wallet. I'd be like, well, yeah, my name's Matt Cox. What's going on? I'm not going to let you walk off with it, but I might hold it up and be like, my name is Matt Cox. Like, I don't see that. I'm not, you know.

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Or was it strictly Florida? Nashville. I've been pulled over in Nashville, South Carolina, North Carolina. I mean, I've gotten tickets everywhere.

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No, keep in mind, I drive like a maniac because I'm typically not driving on my ID. If I get a driver's license in your name, I'm probably doing 95. Probably driving a sports car in your name with full coverage insurance, and I'm probably doing 95. So if I get pulled over, I'm going to be polite.

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Would you like that in cash right now, officer? Yeah.

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Yeah, no doubt. Listen, there's definitely. And, you know, the problem is, is that, you know, somebody ends up getting the brunt of that. And eventually the great thing about cell phones now is. you know, is that they're catching all that. And these guys are all on their P's and Q's now. So they're all like, you know, much more, which has to suck for them. You know what?

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Those guys probably go when they get fired or, or resign from the police department, they probably become, um, prison guards or, you know, or they go to the next town and become cops there.

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So I interviewed a guy, I interviewed the sheriff of Okeechobee County and the head of the It's in Florida. And the head of the task... The former head of the task force, the drug task force there. And... One, they knew I had gotten out of prison. This was for a story I was writing. They knew I'd gotten out of prison. And they were both... Fairly condescending. To say the least.

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And I sat there and I just... But I didn't get offended. You know, he made it. There was a couple of cracks. And then when it eventually, even though I had told them I need about an hour, at least an hour. even when it got to a point where he was saying little snide comments, well, these guys, they get on that ice or methamphetamine. You know what I'm talking about. You know how y'all get.

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The little things that I was thinking, I was in prison for bank fraud. I've never been on methamphetamine, but okay. But I didn't say that. I was like, right, right. So I'm just taking my notes and I've got a recorder. And he was like, and I'd ask a couple of questions and he said things that were clearly

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He said things like, for instance, like he said, you know, we couldn't get because of the age of the records and the case. We weren't able to pull any of that information up because of the age. We no longer have those records. And I said, well, that's OK.

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I said, I have the records because his own Freedom of Information Act officer who sits in the next room gave me the records so I could pull them up. But he couldn't. But he doesn't have access. He basically blatantly lied and said, we no longer have those records. You do have the records. I pulled the – but I didn't get confrontational like, hey, bro, I'm trying to get something out of you.

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I'm trying to get on with the – so I'm like, right, I understand that. I said, well, it's fine. I've reviewed the records. And I just kept going. You could see it in his face like that where he realized like, oh, he just – He didn't say anything, but you must realize I just lied. And then at one point he's like, I asked him the same question, probably three different ways.

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Cause he just wasn't responding.

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Right. And I, so finally he goes, listen, and he kept calling me Bubba. Listen, Bubba. Listen, Bubba. He goes, he goes, listen, but he goes, well, what's your name again? And I said, Matt. And he goes, oh, okay. Listen, Bubba. He said, he said, let's try and get through this. Okay. So you can get the stuff you need for your little article.

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I mean, I don't think anybody around here is going to read it. He said, but maybe it'll help somebody. So let's get through this as quick as possible. So let's wrap this up. And I sat there, I said, absolutely. I apologize. You're right. Sorry. Let's go ahead. And I said, my next question is, and I asked him the next question.

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And, you know, the problem is he's used to being interviewed by the local, you know, Okeechobee news for a 300 word article. And I'm doing like an 8,000 word article. And I'm asking more, you know, intrusive questions that he doesn't want to doesn't feel comfortable answering, even though I told them up front, this is what we're going to be talking about.

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Well, yeah, and I'm also used to dealing with people that are not super friendly, bullies, and I don't get offended easy, right?

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So here's the problem. And this is probably where we're going to differ as aggressive and bullish and, you know, arrogant as he is. He's also the guy that I want showing up if I'm in trouble. He's going to grab the bad guy by his hair. He's going to fucking – he's going to chase him down.

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He's going to be that thick-necked Neanderthal that you want showing up and grabbing – he doesn't – that person that shows up and says, what's going on?

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feel good, fluffy guy that shows up and, and, and is all concerned about everybody's feelings. Like I prefer the guy that comes in, even if he has to put me in cuffs while he's investigating, I'm okay with being in cuffs while you figure out what's going on.

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You know what I'm saying? Cause I, I need that guy to chase down the bad guys. I guess I probably not a nice guy.

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We're like, they weren't, the guy doesn't run in. He doesn't run in. I feel like, by the way, I feel like the two officers that, that, um, the two officers that I interviewed, uh, as they're going in that building.

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Pretty sure that, pretty sure that Grady Judd is going in that building. He's shooting a couple of innocent kids along the way. Well, he's going to get that shooter.

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She looked, she looked cockeyed at him, but he's going to get the shooter eventually.

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You're thinking I'm not saying I'm not saying that. I mean, trust me, I like I love the officers that come in or matter of fact. Just here's what's going on. And they deescalate and they're they're polite and appreciative. But I also see when people start, you know, they're yelling back and they're getting it. And you're like, look, this is what's going on.

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And then they they they can't seem to get themselves under control. Yeah. Then I don't you know, I've watched some of these videos. You obviously watch the First Amendment videos. You've seen some of these auditors and you get some of the right around the corner from me.

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Right. So to me, I've seen these guys and you see the officers. Every once in a while, you'll get an officer That is just off the chain and saying you think he shouldn't have a badge. He shouldn't have a badge. And then you see the other officers that pull up and say, hey, we've gotten some phone calls. What's going on?

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And they go, well, this and then they go through their little thing and they're like, OK, hey, you have every right to be here. You're right. You don't have to give me your license. Well, why'd you ask for it? Well, I asked for it because I asked for it from everybody. Usually they give it to me, but you don't want to. I get it. And, you know, look, I'm just saying we got a call.

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We had to come out. I can see that you're just videoing. I get it. I know what you're doing. I hear you and leave. That's great. Like you're, I agree with you, you know, like that's how I would love for most officers to behave. But I think it's a lot like narcissism, right?

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Like you have these guys that are CEOs and presidents and, and congressmen and almost exclusively 95% of these guys are also narcissists.

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And so you think, so the guy that gets things done, that pushes the envelope, that climbs the ladder of success is, You know, these guys are typically narcissistic.

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They may not be great human beings if you're dating them. Like, I feel complete pity for my wife. This chick, God knows what she's going through. But I'm saying, in general, you know, narcissists even become CEOs and presidents and stuff where they go to prison. And then they get out and they kind of become a little bit humble and they do a YouTube channel. So, So, I mean, I hear you.

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There is the perfect officer out there. I just think that a lot of times that you just don't get those guys for very long.

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Maybe it's a Boston thing. I was going to say because I also see the times when you'll see a YouTube video and this person is going nuts. Yeah. And the officer just keeps letting them and they're trying to explain and trying to explain and try. And I'm sitting there thinking I'd a yanked that dude out of the car by now.

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Like I explained it four times and you keep arguing and twisting and you won't get out of the car. Like at this point, I'm going to grab you. I'm yanking you out there. Like I gave you a chance, bro. Like, well, I'm not going to have a 20 minute argument with you.

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Right. There's no reason for them to just randomly pull over and grab three kids and and search them like. Did somebody call? Like, what were we doing that?

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I feel like I owe them something. And if they watch any of the commercials?

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I filled out a form and answered all these questions for these guys. You've got to send me one.

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They're great.

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I mean, I watch... Like, I watch... I watch stuff on – I watch documentaries on World War II. I watch things on going to Mars. I watch – you know what I'm saying? Things like that. I'll watch – Yeah, yeah.

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Exactly. So those are the kinds of things, you know, the Apollo missions. So I'm more interested in history and – you know, things of that nature, as opposed to watching, you know, like Mr. Beast, you know, roll up a car, give away a car or, you know, I'm sure wonderful.

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I don't, I don't watch, like, I don't watch my own stuff. Like I've never, I don't think I've ever, I'm not sure. I'm not going to say that. I know I've never watched an entire video of mine.

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And it's a completely different dialogue. I'm like, what did he do? What did you do? And then it'll start hooking up again. It'll link up again. I'm like, I don't know what is happening here. I need to start watching these.

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You have to sweep the parking lot every night too. What?

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I love how you frame this like you're Robin Hood.

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Because of like Keefy Coffee?

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Yeah, a proffer is you basically explain what you did and it's covered under whatever deal you've got.

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Typically what a proffer has though, it will typically exclude um, uh, espionage and violence. Like if you come in and say that, you know, like if you come in and say that, you know, I murdered somebody, or if you come in and say that I stole government secrets or something, typically it doesn't, it doesn't exclude, it typically excludes those types of omission of, um, admissions, not over.

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Okay. So he probably didn't. So, I mean, did he admit during the proffer that he murdered him or did he know there he didn't do it, but he still put himself there.

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Right. Okay.

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Sounds like a degree of separation.

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Yeah, he feels like he's he's feels like he's covered.

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You would be shocked how many of these idiots talk to their friends. So your friend that works at Walmart told you this is how it works. And then they'll go around telling people this is how it works. How why do you think that? Oh, I know. How do you know? Because my friend, you know, Jimmy that works at Walmart told me. And is Jimmy got a law, a license in law? Was he a prosecutor? Was he? No.

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How does he know? Well, he's smart. Well, maybe.

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Right. So either way, he's locked up and you don't have bail.

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Listen, I don't know anything about Tupac. I have painted two paintings of him.

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No, I don't know what that is, but no. It's priceless.

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Uh-oh. I don't think I can play the music. I'll play it. Colby will probably have to remove it.

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he'll be so pissed that's fine don't do it don't do it you can't just show a picture i can show well i can here i have a whole i have a whole video so this is me this is wait a minute is that another channel well it's my instagram and i i put up so i put up like i've got stuff of me painting paintings and this is uh this is this is like an iconic photo of tupac from what i understand

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And so that's me. I knock it out. It's almost done. It's only a minute. So we've been, we're about 30 seconds in. So have me painting.

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I have done this. I mean, when I first got out of prison, this is what I was doing for a living. I was, so I would get, somebody would order like a painting. of Tupac and I would paint it and then I'd put it on Instagram and then guys would buy the painting. So like all those paintings are, and then I'd say, Hey, this is Matt and thank you. And there's, there's the painting.

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I got another one. Here's wait here. Hold on.

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Here's the, I show the picture one more time. We'll do one more. And this is him with a, I actually cut and pasted this one together. I actually put an AK 47 in his hand.

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No, it's just a photo of a skinny guy from Africa and Tupac's head superimposed on top of it.

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But somebody asked me... yeah so i got the whole thing it's pretty cool and that's in that like uh warhol style it's exactly where the pop art it's pop art that's the name of my my the channel is um it's it's cox pop art and so you know how much is tupac ones i don't have the money oh they were like 11 i chose one for like 11 1200 bucks damn yeah you make me a small one all right

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Here's one. Look, here's one I did of, um, uh, I, I, this is the Joker.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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I don't think I'd ever heard one of Biggie's songs before somebody told me, hey, bro, can you paint a Biggie? I was like, a what? Can you paint one of Biggie with like an AK? And I was like, a what? I was like, Biggie Smalls. I've heard the name. So he said, yeah, yeah, can you paint? I said, sure, sure, I'll come up with something. So I came up with something. This is what I came up with.

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Before that, let's see, when I first got out of prison, first I was just, they were Marilyn Monroe's and I was painting like bubblegum girls. That's what I was painting, bubblegum girls. And like, here's one I painted or these guys. I painted like a, there was like a bunch of, a guy owned a stockbroker firm. He'd seen me, right?

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He'd seen me on concrete and asked me if I would paint a, paint something for the conference room in his stockbroker firm. And so I painted these three paintings for him. I forget what he paid me, a couple grand or so. They're not very big. And it's all pop art. Super cool to watch. They end up,

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It holds a lot of weight for some reason. For some reason, it is many as many corruption cases as many times. What's funny is as many times as judges judge. See cops get on the stand and blatantly lie. They still will take their word over yours. I got four people and a video camera and the cop get on there and you're actually weighing it. Well, I don't know. It's close. It's close.

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That was probably 15 pounds lighter then, too.

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No, now I'm heavier. What are you talking about? I'm heavier now. Muscle gains. It's not muscle gain. Some of it's muscle gain. Most of it's just fat.

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You have no... Tell me first, real quick, tell me first, what was the beef? There was a beef between him and who?

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There's three people that have nothing to do with this that are eyewitnesses.

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I'm sure. So possibly it's if, you know, if he's been saying like he gave him the gun, like he obviously knew he was going to fire the gun and shoot Tupac. Like if he's saying, look, you know, like I was holding the gun because, you know, for whatever reason, or I handed him my gun or he asked me for a gun. I gave it to him. We saw Tupac. We knew that, you know.

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Like that's that's going to be that's going to be, you know, conspiracy to commit murder. You know, you know, you're you're definitely in the conspiracy. So, you know, you can get as much time as the guy who actually pulled the trigger.

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But let's say even if he pleads guilty to 20 years or, you know, whatever it is like you're dying, there's about a 95 percent chance you're dying in prison because you've got to rely on medical to keep you alive.

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If you're saying entertainment, you're more liable. If you're saying it's news, and you're saying, I'm just presenting the news. I'm just presenting... I'm not. You know what I mean? Right, right. They're saying...

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And what did they do? They went to they went to they went to school for, you know, the police academy for eight weeks.

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But all these interviews, could he try to – If they present it – look, whatever they feel comfortable presenting to a jury – You present to a jury that he wrote this. I got an interview of him saying this. We've got the footage. We've got the chief of police saying this. We've got all these bystanders saying this. They probably have one or two other people saying that he told them this.

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He was drinking one night, told me this. He told his celly. His celly stands up and says, man, he admitted it to me. He told me this. These guys don't do things like this. And not tell 50 people. Right.

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Right. So it's like this is something that's not. And so for him to then turn around and say, hey, this was just entertainment. I was just saying it so that I could so that Vlad would pay me a thousand dollars to come on a show and tell the story. I was just doing it for entertainment. It's certainly OK. That's fine. I get it. And I understand that.

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But you understand it was presented as being true. Right, right. So we're going to charge you and you could tell the jury that and explain that to the jury. And maybe the jury believes you.

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Well, but I present everything.

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But yeah, it's funny because I'll do that sometimes in an article. I'll say something like, you know, look like like I don't know that this is what happened. But based on, you know, based on everything that I've read, this is how I imagine it happened. And then I'll do, you know, and I'll throw one or two, like, I don't get too explicit. Like you can only say so much.

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Like if you say, I can imagine that Blaine stepped into the first class cabin, ordered his favorite drink. And I know what his favorite drink was, you know, wearing one of his famous, you know, buchachi suits or whatever the suit, his favorite suit was, you know, and flew to Perth and got off. And by the time he got off the plane, he'd been indicted. You know, all of that's kind of magical, right?

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Like it's like I'm painting a scene based on things that I know, but nobody told me that's what happened. Like, I don't know he was wearing that suit. I don't know that he ordered that drink. You know what I'm saying? But I can say that based on the things that I know about him, this is probably how it went down.

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Right, to paint something. But this guy is not saying that. This guy is saying, I got in the car.

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has been convened and agreed that there is enough evidence to bring the charges that they would drop the charges. At this point, they're going to move forward. You're either going to take a plea or we're going to move forward and go through.

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Cause they very, they almost never, if a grand jury was shown the evidence and says, I think this is probably enough to convict them, then they're going to go through a trial at this point. It's like a 99.99% chance. They're going to go unless some, something super compelling, let's just lawyer comes in and says, listen, bro,

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here's his alibi he wasn't there we have him here this is what and it would have to be like super you know they say look obviously he was lying because we've got this alibi he was taking money out of his atm we've got photos of him we've got he's just a pathological liar like unless that happened which isn't the case in this i understand but i'm saying unless they came forward and presented some overwhelming evidence

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That they would be like, wow, we can't go to trial. There's no way he's going to present this evidence. And it's not like his mom's going to say he was at home watching the game, you know, watching the fight with her. So he couldn't have done it. You know, that's not they're going to be like, yeah, OK, well, mom can come say that on the stand then.

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This guy, you're not going to believe this guy.

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We wish all criminals were this stupid.

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You know what's so funny about that is that there's tons of guys that will say like, you know, Vlad is a fucking CI or Vlad is the police. Like they always say that because apparently people have gone on his channel before. and they've been indicted. Like, they'll go on and start talking about some murder or being somewhere, and they get indicted. Like, they're a big guy. Are you serious?

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Oh, absolutely. So this isn't gonna... So for Vlad, like... This is not good at all. There's already a whole slew of people that can't stand him because they're like, Vlad be the police, man. Vlad's the police. They'll say it in the comments and all kinds of stuff. Oh, yeah.

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You should read the comments on my Vlad comments. I want to so bad, though. They're vicious. These guys did not like... Some of them were like, this guy's a genius, and the other ones just hated my guts.

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If you're watching, you're still a fan, you know?

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Probably just thought it was so old. Nobody cares. They're not going to put it together. It doesn't matter. I say this all the time. It's the guy that goes to the police and says, listen, man, I know about these guys robbing banks. Really? How do you know? I've been driving the getaway car.

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So you've been robbing banks. No, no, I'm just driving the getaway cart. No, no. Let me explain conspiracy to you while I slip these handcuffs on you.

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I have so many people that tell me like, you know, that will tell me about prison.

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They parole you after doing 30% of your time. You don't know what you're talking about. It's like, wait a second, bro. I understand that you're stocking shelves somewhere. And I get it. God bless you. Middle class America, thank you for doing your part. You're what makes this country run. I'm not knocking you. But... If I if I need someone to drive a forklift like you're my guy.

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But just because you watched a lot of law and order. Yeah. Guess what? There is no parole in the federal system. Now, prior to 1986, after doing one third your time in prison, you were eligible for parole. You would go in front of the parole board and they would say, OK, you have done.

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three years on a nine-year sentence so you're eligible for parole and you would plead your case and they would say okay you've done a bunch of programming you've got a wife and kid out there we know you messed up you have no criminal history we're going to give you parole and they put you on parole but After 1986, there is no federal parole. So these guys that say, oh, we got 10 years.

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Well, in a couple of years, they'll put them on parole. No, he went in the federal system. Now, some states still have parole system. There's difference between the state systems. Every single system is different. Every single state system is different. And the federal system. So people don't realize that they'll be like, oh, you got to do 90% of your time for violent crimes. This guy's lying. No.

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No. Now, maybe if you're in Nevada, you see what I'm saying? Like maybe in your state, that's how it works. Or maybe if you're in this state, maybe if you're on Rhode Island, you do, you know, two fifths of your time if you... But this guy went to the federal system or this guy was in Georgia or this guy was like people. And listen, they'll argue with you. They'll call you a piece of shit liar.

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You're a scumbag. This guy's a liar. You can't believe anything he says. And it's like, bro, look at how angry you are. You really think that you know something because your older brother went to jail for 18 months and he knows how it works. You might want to ask him, how does it work in the federal system? Or, hey, Bubba, I know you did State Time in Ohio. What about Florida?

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He'll probably say, oh, I don't know how it works in Florida. And they'll be like, I spent two hours arguing with someone on Cox's channel. You can't do it. Don't do it.

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differing from you're like no listen i lived it and i know people who lived it and this is you know actually how it's working because that 1986 you should be doing videos like that breaking down the laws that's important stuff man i'm not sure i'm trying to i'm trying to make money not do important stuff um so what's it you know that that danny um masterson yeah yeah i mean guys are out there prison guys talking about how how like you know

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he'll get smashed and he's this and he's going to this and he's going to that. And all of that is probably is true. Like in, in, you know, in a state, like in a state prison in California, he's probably going to have a hard time or they're going to put them in protective custody. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah. He'll still have a hard time, but,

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Eventually, he'll probably just put – they'll put money on some guy's books and they'll protect him and he'll be okay. But guys like I would talk – if I'll do TikToks or something, they'll take a little excerpt out of a two-hour interview. They'll take like a one-minute excerpt and guys will say – and I'll talk about –

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you know, the, the, you know, I'm going to call them SOs, the SOs in prison, right? Or, you know, the CHOMOs, you know, in prison and how, yeah, yeah. You know, this guy said this, that's a lie because they don't mix with other people. And they don't, this guy's piece of gold, he's flying.

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And he's like, no, no, I was in most low security camps or low security prisons in federal prison, about 40 to 50% of the people that are there have SO charges. And there's so many of them that the inmates will restrict them a little bit, but not completely. A lot of inmates will be like, look, you can't watch TV. You can't be in the TV room.

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And they'll try. But what happens is if you have 2,000 people and 1,000 of them or 800 are SOs, and one day they say, hey, we're going to go walk the track.

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The first of all, you guys are really think about all these guys are segregated. You've got like the blacks will have five different gangs. The whites will have two gangs. The Hispanics will have one gang. You know, it's like it breaks it up. It's like, you know, you guys can't even get together. Really? You can't really do anything. We're at a low. Most of you guys are close to home.

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Most of you guys do not want to go anywhere. Yeah. So they'll just let them do what they kind of like. They'll bitch and moan. They'll call them names, but they won't really do anything. If you say that, there will be guys in the comments section who will be calling me a liar and that's not true. Why? Because your cousin went to prison in Arizona? Yeah. He went to an Arizona state prison.

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He wasn't a federal prison.

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They got they got the they got the prisons and the train, the guns and the barbed wire.

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Uh, Trust me, they're not stupid. They're monitoring everything. Look, it's the same thing with TVs. They'll never take TVs out of prison. I'll hear people, they should take TVs out of prison. Listen, bro, those TVs are babysitters. The moment they shut the TVs off and they say, you guys lost the TVs for the next week, it lasts about three days.

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And then the cops are like, we're giving you the TVs back. You guys have been good. We're going to be. No, the truth is now we're a problem. Yeah, there's no there's no babysitter for us to sit there and just stare at the box.

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Yeah, they don't like that. Hey, I appreciate you guys watching the video. Do me a favor. Hit the subscribe button. Hit the bell to get notified. Check out Rob's new channel. We're going to leave the link in the description. And I really appreciate you guys hanging with me. Please consider joining my Patreon. Thank you very much. See you.

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This is not a, okay. This isn't like a public defender.

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But really, you know, we're going to name speech while standing behind a chain link fence.

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You're the kind of guy we want in Canada.

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You have trafficker, distributor.

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So, yeah, yeah. It's very, you know, it's like five years or something.

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Was he in just another cell? No, he's actually locked up, too, in another cell.

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Did you act offended the whole time they were searching? Like, I can't believe... I would never. Oh, my God. You guys have the wrong room.

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Uh, so really is no long time in prison in Canada. Like you can do all kinds of stuff and get the jail.

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It's your fault.

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I only 90% of the state is really, everybody's like Florida. Oh, beaches, bro. This is, this is, there's so many pickup trucks and cow.

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Oh, it's just 90% of the state is like that.

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This kid just committed suicide a couple of years ago.

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My father, you know, was an alcoholic and he, you know, he would go on these whatever week long binges to eat binges. And at some point he and my mom went to the doctor to talk to the doctor because it was so not an open thing. Addiction so hidden back then, this is back in like the fifties, right? or 50s and 60s, they went to the doctor and he explained what was happening.

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And the doctor said, you're an alcoholic. He almost got into a fist fight with the doctor in the fucking in the in the little like patient room.

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An alcoholic means you're you're like a bum. You're you're somebody on the street that can't you know, you're you're a drunk. You're a drunk. And he basically I mean, that was just like a huge insult. He's. I'm a sick, I'm successful. I make good money. I've got, you know, I've got, you know, two kids. Like, what are you talking?

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I mean, we eventually have, there's four kids, but at that point I think he had like two kids. It's like, what are you saying? What are you, you know, furious just immediately blew up because, but now if you were to say that, no, the stigma, right.

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I'm not an addict. Aren't you selling your TVs right now for your heroin addiction? Yeah, but that doesn't mean I'm an addict. Okay.

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I was going to say, listen, she's got private security making sure nobody skips on her land. She's got a private – what was it they said? During the fires, she had a private –

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firefighters coming to protect you know her land are you serious yeah that's something that's something that's one of the things i heard i also heard another guy breaking down he went and got a copy of the um the filings the the um the filings that he and the she and the rock filed so they actually put money in they did put money in but one of the first things that happens is they get their money back

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Obviously, they get a write-off because it's a tax-free, whatever you call it, trust, right? And then they also get paid for managing the trust. So you're going to, one, get paid because you need the money. Two, you're getting all the money you've put in to show that, hey, look, we've got money in this, right? But you get paid back first. So they've got the whole thing set up.

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So that they're going to get all their money back and their real contribution is starting it and doing these promos. But the promos have all backfired on her.

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Did you act offended the whole time they were searching? Like, I can't believe – I would never – You listen, I would. Oh, my God. You guys have the wrong room. I don't know who told you that.

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They did.

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Oh, my God. So glad you said something.

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So I think you've already said you've already gotten this probably demonetized, but or at least limited monetization, 18 years plus. But that's fine. Keep going.

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You got to talk about your Mr. Beast rant.

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That has never been a defense that has worked. Nobody's ever gone to trial and be like, yeah, yeah, your honor. Admittedly, admittedly, we were importing 4,000 pounds a month. but we weren't making a profit.

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It was just it's really super easy to open up a pain management clinic in Florida. Very easy.

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And people, people would come down from, you know, from Georgia, South Carolina, Tennessee, or they would just, they would load up Rhode Island. I'm telling you, I, you know, they load up buses and bring people down. They go in. Once a month, they'd come in, they'd get their scripts, they'd go back, they'd hit three or four. And there was no there was no reporting system at the time.

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So you could doctor shop, you could go to three or four different clinics and get.

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I hear you, but I've met guys in prison for 20 and 30 years for selling cannabis. That's what I'm saying. The Federal Bureau of Prisons and the U.S. Attorney's Office and the DEA and all of they have a vastly different... And they've got it wrong. Hold on. Hold on. Here's the... No, no, no. I'll prove it to you. The problem is that they have the guns in the prisons. They've got the power.

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Can I just buy my own bell?

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But you know what?

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Mental condition or something.

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So they just worked that into the the morning show bit. Hey, we're sending somebody over there to get them out right now.

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It was nobody told you, by the way, you can't drive.

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Again, I don't know. They were pitching as being it was a moderate painkiller and it was a controlled release formula they had. So you take two pills a day and every 12 hours and it slowly releases it and it helps with the pain. And it's not, of course, but anybody taking it would tell you, like, that's fucking. Are you serious?

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It doesn't do anything. I know. I would love that.

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I'm going to satisfy everyone's student loans. Yeah. Yeah. Six months later, the court goes, he can't do that. And now he's like, get ready to start paying everyone. Nobody has to pay a car payment ever again. Six months later, the Supreme Court says.

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So you're on the radio, you're making decent money, but you're still selling it.

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Well, why did that? Why did why did that? I mean, you were connecting that with all of these suicides or is that.

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Do you know any of your other family members that maybe know that are in contact with him?

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You're not living in reality.

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He is. I'm telling you. I don't feel like Mr. Beast stays up at night and says, what's Cox doing? He's watching.

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What do you mean nine-year-olds are looking away?

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They're going to stare at it. So during this conversation, I had mentioned to you that I saw like a something like a short or something where they were talking about Mr. Beast or it was Mr. Beast. And somebody said to him, so how could YouTube improve? Like, are there any things, any improvements you'd like to see in the, in the algorithm or in YouTube?

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And, and he goes, no, he goes, they're, they're, they're doing it perfect.

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he had no complaints he was like no bro out of i mean there's a litany of you know what i mean yeah it was like well apparently he must have something like when you get to a certain level there is someone you can call like they give you a personal person so he's got an office there because like to me you know my videos get demonetized or they get you know like 18 years or older and by the way that's huge like if you were going to make

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If you were going to make $100 on a video and they said, hey, it's 18 years and older now, like it's limited, you just dropped to about 30 bucks.

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If I'd had his experience, I would be saying it's perfect.

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Hey, this is Matt Cox, and I am here with Rob Stevens, and he is a former drug addict and current YouTuber, and we're going to hear his story. So check it out.

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If I had a complaint, it would be like, look, if YouTube said, hey, listen, we're going to age restrict this, or we're going to, whatever, we're going to demonetize it. If they would just tell me why, like, hey, it was this one section where you guys talked about you know, the manufacturing of whatever it was. And it just, honestly, it was a little bit too much.

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And we felt like it was almost instructive, almost like instructive. And that, if you could remove that one part, I'll cut it. I'll cut it.

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Well, it, If you go to, if you get your clothes laundered, they give them, give you the wired ones.

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Even if you read, they always refer to you to like, oh, we're referring you to the, even if you read all of it, it's so vague. I did.

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Listen, you got a two and a half hour interview with somebody. You got to tell me specifically what it was. I mean, I don't know what it was. We talked about all kinds of... Or the other problem is, this is the second, if I had a second thing. Second thing is, my video will be uploaded. It will say fully monetized. Three days later, we post it. It's up for two or three days.

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In like Walmart or. wherever, um, uh, target or whatever. Yeah. They're all, they don't, they're really nice or they're really nice. They're wood. They have padding.

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And then suddenly, boom, limited monetization. It just changes. And you go, whoa. What happened? You asked for a manual review. They come back and they go, we've reviewed it. And after having an in-person person review it. Now, I have a hard time believing that they had a real person watch a two and a half hour video.

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But let's assume that I'm assuming that at the very least, the algorithm said, hey, here's the one part we have an issue with. This is four minute section. They give me the four minute section. Tell me what it is before you allow me to post it. Because if I take it down now. You lose so much. My people will fucking lose it on me.

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Oh, you just lost 10,000 views or 8,000 views or whatever it is.

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Yeah, it's perfect for you. Like, well, you know, look here. This is probably the wrong thing to say, but, you know, I've definitely noticed that there are two kinds of, you know, in my my with my vast experience and being a con man and being in out of prison and having a keen understanding of human nature. I have come to the conclusion that there are two kinds of people in the world.

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There are those that climb the ladder of success and invite everybody else to follow them. And those that climb the ladder of success and kick it out from underneath them. So no one can follow them. And the problem is, is that amongst those people, the thought is this, like if there is, if you're getting a piece of the pie and, you're taking from my potential pieces of the pie.

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That's what those people that kick the ladder out think. They think, well, I don't want you to have any pie because I may need that pie. That's my pie. There's less pie for me. But the truth is,

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As massive as YouTube is, as massive of an audience as they have, and as huge of a population, and as quickly growing as the internet and the collectiveness of just humanity on this planet is, there is enough pie for everyone. 100%.

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And it is a job and, you know, and I get like, when I first started, I thought, you know, I still think everybody should be doing this, but I'm coming to the conclusion that not everybody can do it. They just, people are super self-conscious and they're worried about what people think, you know, they're, they're. It's kind of difficult.

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It is kind of difficult, but I do feel like everybody should be doing something.

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I definitely did.

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And I tell everybody what I do. Like, I know guys that are like, well, I don't have any subscribers. It's not growing. I'm not getting any views. I'm like, I got like 14 views on my last video. And I'm like, bro. Do you tell everybody that you have a video? They're like, well, what do you mean? I'm like, you don't know like 30 people that you could send that video to? And they don't.

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They don't send them to anybody. They post it and don't even send it to their wife. It's like, I would fucking drown my friends in this video. And then I'd call them all and say, did you send this to four fucking people? Yeah. You're dead to me. You're dead to me. Like I, bro, I would be, and everybody started.

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You want to hear, hear something funny. The other day I was looking at my subscribers, like, well, like I actually had checked it and I noticed that it was just over like 150, 152,000. Right. Like it was like 152 and like nine subscribers. And then like 20 minutes later, I happened to open up the thing and I looked and I noticed, and it was 151. And like, I lost like 250. Fuck it.

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Cause every once in a while it updates and removes people suddenly. And it dropped like 200. And I mean, my heart, I don't know if I'm cut out for this.

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I was like, But listen, like it was funny because like within within a day it had gone up like 350 or 400. And I was like and I remember, you know, I told my wife and she's like, it'll be all right. You know, it does this. I'm like still it.

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You know what you do? Take your YouTube link, get a QR code, put it on your fucking thing and say, please join my team. And just be an asshole. Go through a drive-thru, hand them fucking two cards. Yo, bro, I got a true crime channel. Whatever the channel is, I got a such and such channel. Please subscribe.

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Yeah, you have to. 99% of those people are going to... You don't know what guy is going to do it and trigger that...

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thing that makes youtube go start jamming this fucking channel out just start doing it pumping it out then you don't know what it is no no that's like the whole camp it's like it's like gambling you know you just don't know when that hit is gonna come well the nice thing is too i was gonna say i mean we can go bro like i i like doing this so to me it's it's job in the world right the fact that it's actually paying my bills every month like it's the moment it did by the way

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I went from, we were posting three videos a week. The moment it did, we started going four and everything ramped up. Like I was like, okay, I'm going to stop doing this. Stop doing it. I don't need to do these things for money anymore. Now I'm just doing this.

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Well, what you do is we should get you me. We should probably get two or three guys who all have YouTube channels at different do like once a month. Come on and just do and then post that same video on all of our channels. Yeah, that is just talking about everything from money. To what's working, what's not, getting shit taken down.

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It's your medical issue that you were taking it for, by the way.

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Yeah, there was a moment. There was a moment. This may not be the highlight of my life.

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Rub some dirt in it.

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you know, I was going to say, so I used to tell this story when guys would say, you know, man, bro, how did you, you know, how do you, How'd you get through all that time, you know? So then there's multiple different stories I tell about, you know, different times that things happened. And, but, you know, and of course we always, my first thought is, you know, hope.

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You know, I always say, and I say that, you know, I'm like, oh, it's hope. Hope gets you there. You always think, well, this motion's going to help. This'll knock my sentence down. This'll do this. You know, I'll, if at some point they'll move me to a camp and I'll walk away,

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You know, because when you get to be, when you get, when you have 10 years left to do, they'll, and your points are low enough, they'll send you to a camp. You typically just walk away. So I would think about that, you know, little things like, like that.

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And then there was this, this used to happen where it was like, I would wake up every morning, almost not every morning, probably almost every morning. I would wake up and I would go, like, you know, you wake up and you're like, oh my God, I'm still here. Like, oh my, and this went on forever.

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I would just be like, like, and I would sit there and I would think like, you know, how much dental floss do I have to buy? to like weave a rope and where would I do it? And if you go in the stalls at night, if you go in like right after, let's say two o'clock count or something, they don't count for a couple hours. Like there's almost nobody in there.

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So if you were to go in there and there was this bar over the, um, over the handicap stall, that would definitely hold you right. And I'm, I'm so short. easily, easily, I'm not touching the ground. And, you know, once you jumped up, like there's no way to get yourself out of that situation.

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So, and I would sit there and think, fine, and then you have to sit there and you'd be choking to death and, you know, cause it's not going to break your neck.

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You know, you're going to, and I'd be like, okay, well, if you did the loop and I would sit there and I would think, and then I would, of course I know it's a rational and I'm like, no, no, bro, just, just stop thinking about that's not rational. And then I would think, where, you know, I think, just stop, stop, stop. Bro, get up, get up and get some coffee.

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If you get some coffee, you like coffee, get some coffee. That'll make you feel better. Get some coffee. So I get up, I push, will myself out of bed, go get some coffee. And I think, you know what? Just, you got to go to the library. You told Pete, you'd meet him at the library. So then you drink some coffee. And I think, okay, just, just get through, just get to Pete. Say you like Pete.

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You like talking to Pete, get to Pete. And then I'd go and I'd talk, go, the move would happen. And I'd go to the library and I'd meet Pete. And then I'd be thinking the whole time I'm depressed and I just don't want to do this anymore. I'm sick of this and I'm never getting out of here and I'm going to die here and it's horrible. And, and then I'd think, okay, you know, it's not that bad.

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It's not that bad of a place. You'll be okay. You can get through this. Um, and then by, by around noon you eat, no, they're having chicken today, fried chicken. Nobody can screw up fried chicken. It's good. Uh, okay. So one of the better meals and you eat the meal and you go, okay, this is not so bad. It's not so bad here. And then by two o'clock it's like, you know, there's some good guys here.

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Like I, I like John and I liked, I liked, you know, I like so-and-so and I like, you know, Donovan's funny and Pete's funny and Frank's funny. You know, let me go talk to those guys. You talk to those guys and you, you know, look, I got to finish this story. I got to meet this guy at five o'clock. And then by six o'clock, it's like, this is a good place. You know, like this is not a bad place.

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Like my chemicals in my brain throughout the day.

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would change and then so by five or six o'clock i'm thinking this is all right this is not a bad place like if you had to spend the rest of your life here this isn't the worst you know you could be it could be worse you could be you could be in the in the 1850s and you 1850s in um new orleans being you know and be a slave and being sold as a slave or you could be

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picking cotton you could be on a plantation you could be you could be a jew and in the in the 1940s in in germany you could you know i'm saying you start telling yourself you could be you know all these how horrific things could be and this is not a bad place even if you're locked up it's not bad and then by seven or eight o'clock that night i was like i'm getting out of here

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I'm gonna, this is gonna be okay. I'm gonna win this motion. This is gonna happen. This is gonna happen. I'm gonna get out of here. This is not that big of a deal. And listen, by the time I went to bed, It was, you're going to get some books published. You're going to get out of prison. You're going to start your life over. You're going to look back.

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This is going to be one of the best parts of your life. This is an amazing place. You're going to turn this into something. And then I'd go to bed. I'd fall asleep. And then next morning I'd wake up and I'd think, how much dental floss do I have to buy? And it would start completely over. I remember telling that story on a podcast one time. This guy goes...

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bro like how long did that go on and you know when did that stop and i and i told him i said i'll let you know you know because i mean even to this day because when i got when i went to prison i used to take paxil you know paxil is no it's for anti as far as an anti-anxiety drug for um like social um you know it's real bad um you know social anxiety like i didn't like being around people so you could imagine me going to prison and they pull me off it

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And then they tried to give me Wellbutrin, and then they tried to give me Zoloft. It's like basically what happened is the insurance carrier, because they have like HMOs, right? The carrier just stopped telling them, hey, we're not paying for Paxil. Here's other brands that do the same thing that are cheaper.

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But listen, but they don't do the same thing because Wellbutrin certainly doesn't do what Paxil did. I was on Paxil for 10 years. I felt great. Nothing bothered me. You set my house on fire. You could, you know, everything. I was like, it's going to be all right. That's not a big deal. Right. So, yeah, I'm OK. It's all right. I got money. We'll fix this. No problem. You know, but yeah, it's so.

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But when I got to prison, they took me off Paxil like after a couple of years. They said, look, you know, we change this and we're taking you off and we're going to move you to Wellbutrin. Well, after about two, three weeks, I mean, I couldn't even hear what people were talking to me. I couldn't hear what they were saying even. I was like, what?

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Like I was so in and out. Then they said, oh, Zoloft. We'll put you on Zoloft. Put me on Zoloft for a couple of weeks. And I said, no, I'm done. You got to get me off. I can't take this anymore. I'll just go cold turkey. So I just stopped. And that's when in the morning that whole thing started happening.

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And, you know, I explained that to the doctor and he was like, well, I mean, I could put you back on Zoloft. I was like, I'm not doing that. I was like, it's Paxil or I'll just deal with it. He's like, well, you're not getting Paxil.

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No, for about 10 years, that was my daily routine. I would wake up and just feel absolutely suicidal. But by that night, bro, I was getting out. This was not a big deal. I was good. Things are good. This was a good place. These are some good guys. I got some good friends. I'm going to get out of here at some point. I'm going to start my life over again. I got plenty of life left in me. I got...

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No, you have to understand that that the Bureau of Prisons, like, first of all, You don't get the top of your field and end up working for the Bureau of Prisons or the federal government for that matter. So the doctors that are there, like they barely speak English. Most of them aren't doctors. They would have one doctor for the entire complex, and he doesn't work there.

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It's some local doctor that works in town that signs off saying he's the main doctor. And they have all it's all PAs. So you have PAs. So you would walk in there and you they'd say, OK, hold on. All right, Mr. Cox, what are your symptoms? And you'd say, oh, I feel this. My stomach hurts. And they would click a button and they do it all in the computer. They just click. OK, stomach, stomach pain.

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Where? OK, lower here. And they'd be clicking pictures. And what's this and what? And it would diagnose you on the computer. And then they say, boom, this is what the problem is. A lot of times guys would go in and say, look, I have a hernia. I know guys that I knew one guy that said I had a hernia. He said, I have a hernia like this is killing me. I was doing what's called the wheel.

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You know what the wheel is? When you work out, there's like a wheel where you kind of like a reverse sit up. Right. Yeah. So he was doing and he said, look, I pulled something. I'm in real pain. I pulled something. And they were like, okay, hold on. And he told them, look, I know exactly. I have a hernia because there's another guy that has a hernia and I have the same sensation.

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And I was doing the wheel. And right after I did the wheel, this is how I felt. And it's killing me right here. And it's the same thing. So it's a hernia. And he even knew the name of the hernia. So the doctors at first, so they listened to him and they said, no, no, you need to change your diet. Dr. Justin Marchegiani So they gave him a list of foods that he could no longer eat.

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And he looked at the list and he said, this won't be hard for me, doc, because I've never eaten any of these foods.

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Right. He's like, I don't like hot sauce. I don't eat the hot sauce. I don't do this. I don't eat this. I don't, you know, he's like, what are you, bro? I just told you I have a hernia. I'm telling you, I have a, what's called an, it's like a inguinal hernia or something. He's like, they're like, right. What? Like the hernias, you have to have surgery. There isn't like a medication. Right. Right.

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And they don't want to do the surgery. So they told me it was this. He went this went on for 18 months. It was so bad. His nickname was slow motion because he walked around with his hand pushing against his stomach and he would walk around like real slowly and they called him slow motion. So at some point. His mother complained so much to the governor, finally got to the governor's office.

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They said, bring him in for a wasn't like a cat skin, whatever they do in your upper GI, lower GI, whatever. They did that. They came back. He knew the doctor. He memorized the doctor's name when he was in there, like like Dr. Gupta or whatever. And he's like, oh, OK, OK. And he told him what his symptoms were. And he said, sounds like you have a hernia. And he's like, I think I do.

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So he did the whole whole thing. He said, I'll let you know. He said that the prison, he said, I'll have you back here in two weeks for your for your results. Well, of course, he knew being a prisoner. They're not bringing me back here like that's not what the doctors always think. This is the way it works. You're one of my patients. I'll tell them to bring you back here.

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And they just blow the doctors off. So they brought him to a hospital, did that stuff. But he remembered the doctor's name. So he went two, three weeks later, they brought him down to medical. He said, hey, I'm supposed to go to see the doctor. They said, oh, no, no, we got your results. You have a, what do you call it in your stomach when you have an ulcer? You have an ulcer in your stomach.

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I told you, you need to stop eating these foods. He said, I don't eat those foods. It's a hernia. He said, no, no. He goes, okay, well, can I see the results? And he said, oh, you don't need to see the results I have. And he had it typed out on the screen. This is what the doctor said it is. Keep in mind, this is what he said. So he goes to his mother. His mother calls the doctor at the hospital.

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The doctor at the hospital sent her a form for him to sign off on. They fax a form to the doctor. The doctor gets the form. The doctor sent the mother the results. Now, he had the results from the doctor at the prison, right? The doctor. It's actually a PA. Yeah. His mother sent the results from what the doctor at the hospital said and what the PA said. PA said, you have an ulcer.

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Put it in writing. This is what the doctor's results were. But the actual results were you have an inguinal hernia. He actually had two and he needed surgery. Oh, wow. How long was this going on for? Oh, 18 months. So he then sent that to the governor. The governor made a couple phone calls. Next thing you know, he's scheduled for surgery. So he gets surgery.

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So I knew another guy who actually one time had been in a fight and actually tore his eye socket. Yeah. And so he went, no big deal that that happens. And it can be months and months before something happens. So one day he wakes up and his eye is literally shifted sideways. Like in the middle of the night, it just broke off, right? Like it had always been broke, but it was still there.

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So it broke it sideways. He wakes up, he's flipping out. He goes to the hospital. They waited a week to 10 days to bring him to the hospital. He's like, look at my eye. I have to go to the hospital. They're telling them it's something else completely. What is it? Some type of paralysis with your face?

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No, no, it's not stroke. You can get this paralysis, and they said it goes away. Well, it didn't go away. So when they finally bring him here, his sister throws such a fit. They finally bring him to the hospital. The doctor says, oh, yeah, you I can see you broke your whatever off. If they brought you here in a couple of days, you'd have been fine. But now I can't save the eye.

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He's got a fake eye to this day. So what, of course, he turns around and he, you know, you can't sue the federal government, especially if you're an inmate. You have to go through the process of filing different notices, right? So you file those notes and if you get to the end of it, if you don't get a resolution by the end of it, you can then file a federal lawsuit.

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But you have to file these notices and it takes a year or so to file all of them. Which, of course, what they're trying to do is kind of run out the statute of limitations. Like they keep going back and forth. So I don't know. I think he eventually did. And usually what happens is

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before you leave the prison, like if you're going to be in prison for 20 years, they'll just run out the statute of limitations. You can file a lawsuit, but they'll quash it because you're basically property and they're saying, no, you don't get anything.

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If you're leaving and this guy was leaving, they'll typically come to you and offer you a settlement just before you get out because they don't want you to get an attorney. And it's hard to get an attorney anyway to represent you on the outside because the federal government will drag it out so long and there's so many laws protecting the federal government. And the attorneys know that battle.

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They know that. And they're like, look, in the end, we almost never, these things are almost never worth anything. So you have to pay me up front. Well, you just got out of prison. You have nothing. Listen, bro, I could go on and on about medical. But, I mean, medical will give you, listen, funniest thing was there was a doctor that was in prison. And he, oh, I've known tons of doctors.

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And he went in one time to be for something, for medication. And he said, man, it's bad. He said, I walked in. And they were like, okay, Mr. So-and-so. And, and he said, doctor, so-and-so. And they were like, and they were like, well, you don't have a license anymore. And he said, no, I don't, but I still have a degree that says I'm a doctor.

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And he was like, and so the doc, so when they're going through that, he's like, yeah, yeah. My back is hurting right here. He's, oh, you mean your L seven is no, my L seven would be just above my hips. Yeah. And he looked at him and he was like, oh, I'm sorry. I didn't see where you were pointing. Yeah, yeah. He goes on and on. And he's like, yeah, you need to prescribe me this.

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And he's like, oh, that's a narcotic. I can't do that. He goes, no, it's not a narcotic. And he said, it's this. And so he sat there and had to explain to the doctor and argued with the doctor on what he wanted to prescribe. Because he was like, no, that wouldn't help me because I'm suffering from this. He had to explain to the doctor. Did he get what the doctor eventually got?

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Eventually, the doctor got frustrated and gave it to him. But he was trying to argue. He was trying to argue with him. What?

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Oh, listen. I saw him way more than I ever saw the medical staff. You would go and go talk to him and say, hey, doc, forget his last name. Hey, so-and-so, can I talk to you for a second? And he'd go, yeah, yeah. Listen, I've known pulmonary specialists in there. I was friends with a guy that was a pulmonary specialist. The one doctor was basically, he was just a general practitioner.

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I've known a couple of them. Do you remember when Jeb Bush's daughter got busted and there was a friend of hers that had had died of opioids.

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So the doctor that prescribed that medication was in prison with me.

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Yeah, they called him Doc. I forget his... God, my buddy Zach would remember his name because he was Selly's with him. He used to have night terrors. And he would wake up in the middle of the night screaming. And I remember Zach one time got off his bunk and was like trying to wake him up.

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And he thought to himself, if the guard walks by right now, I'm a large black man holding, shaking this frail old white man while he's screaming. He says, this is not going to look good for me. But he woke up and he would have these vivid dreams that it was like someone was shoving him in an oven. And oh, he, it was, yeah, it was, it was, it was rough. Uh, what was his name?

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Anyway, he, he was super smart guy and it's funny too, cuz he was dying and he knew what he was dying from. and he had gone to medical for something else, and they were like, and while he was standing there, his hands were turned blue, right? His feet were turned blue, his hands, because his heart had some kind of a disease or something. He wasn't getting blood.

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Right, so he would have to stand up and move around, and his hands, if he just sat down for even a few minutes, his hands would slowly start turning blue.

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oh and they were like hey your hands are he's like oh yeah yeah i have mild such and such infarction such and such and they'd be like oh okay um well you know we can give you something for that and he was like no i don't want anything for it he said he's like if he's at its current rate. He said, I'll be dead in about five years.

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And they were like, well, we should give you, well, don't you, you don't want us to treat it. He said, man, I got a life sentence in here.

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He was like, he was already 70 something years old. He's like, I don't want it. Like I want, this is how I want it slowly. Eventually one day I'll just, I have a heart attack in my sleep. He was totally okay with it.

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Right. Paxil. Yeah.

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And, you know, I didn't have to do 13 years. Well, it was just it to me. It was it was just like most of the things I do in life are just like baby steps. Like I don't I don't typically see like I don't typically think of. You know, I know that this is the result I want is way down here, but I don't really focus on that. I think about the baby steps. Like, what's the first step? This one.

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And so I just focus on that one little tiny achievable step, getting coffee. That's not hard. I have a bag of coffee. I have a creamer. I have some sweetener. You know, I can go heat up the water. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's right down there. They already counted. I can get out of bed. I can waddle down there. Yeah. you know, with my coffee and, and do the whole thing.

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And I can, and I like coffee. Coffee's good. It's one of the only good things here. It's, you know, and so you just keep talking to yourself for the next five minutes that it takes. And then once I get the coffee, of course you smell coffee and you drink the coffee. You're like, Oh,

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Yeah. A little bit better. Okay. You know what? Wait, I'm supposed to go get, go talk to Pete. I'm meeting Pete at, at eight o'clock. What time is it? Oh, I got to get ready. You know what I'm saying? Like you just little baby steps in the next hour. I have to complete this task and this task.

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I do make my bed every day, too, by the way.

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Because if you don't, then the guards will come and flip your mattress and they'll write you a shot.

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Yeah. So I don't, you know, we make it, we make our bed every morning. Jess and I kind of fuss over a little bit. I'm like, no, pull it, pull your side, pull your side. She's like, my side's fine. I'm like, no, no, no. You don't know what you're doing. I did this for 13 years. I don't know where you, I don't know what prison you were in, but at Coleman, we got hospital corners.

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Let me show you what a real hospital corner looks like.

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People are always like, bro, you get up at like four in the morning. Why? I'm like, well, that's when the guards turn on the lights.

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No, it was like five, but still, still it was like, you know, I was always just telling them, I'm like, well, that's why you have to, I have to get up at five or four. They're like, why? I'm like, that's when the guards turn on the lights. You're like, I'm sorry.

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Listen, we do CrossFit in the morning now. She and I have been doing it for six months, but really we've done it three times. They were doing burpees. Do you know what burpees are? Oh, yeah. The guy was like, we're going to start with burpees. He was showing us how to do burpees. To save Jess the embarrassment...

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I stopped myself from saying, listen, that's not how the black guys in prison do them. But I stopped myself because I thought. And then later when we were getting the car, I told him that, hey, I almost said this. And she was, you should have. That would have been hilarious.

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We drive out to this place. It's a 10 minute, 10, 15 minutes from here.

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Peloton? Peloton. Peloton.

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Honestly, have probably the best conversations before the podcast and after the podcast.

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you know they weren't afraid to shy away from touching that darkness you know it's it's always don't you know you know don't don't ever meet your heroes you know what i mean like and you know you've heard that saying you know don't you know because you you're just bound to be disappointed listen every single person ever in in two really more like three years that since since probably three three and a little over three years since i did that podcast with uh

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with um shoot um with danny on uh concrete i'm trying to think of concrete because he changed it from concrete now it's danny jones um but from with concrete like i had people reaching out wanting to talk to me wanting to you know and i would have guys like come like they're driving across the state just that have lunch with me and have me sign a book that sort of thing um

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So, listen, I had a guy who flew in from Texas one time, flew in, hung out with me for the day. Yeah, just, oh, I've had this happen multiple times. And we talked all the time. Another time I flew in, he flew me out to Texas just to hang out and talk. And actually, I did kind of like a little presentation in front of his mortgage company and stuff.

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I've had these types of things happen and every single time, you know, of course they're like, wow, bro, you know, it's so great talking to you, this and that. And I just always knew, like, we just talked everything. I knew you were a cool guy and I felt like we'd be friends and this and that. Every single one of those guys, we text for a few times back and forth, back and forth.

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And then it's over. Then it's over. It's done. There's one guy, um, that the guy from Texas, uh, his name's, uh, Ian. Um, he, um, Wow. Hold on. I just, I don't even know what I just said. Ethan. Ethan. Is it Ethan? Ethan. I don't know. Wow. Sorry. I knew I said it wrong. Hope he doesn't see this. Ethan. So, because what's so funny is I was talking to him all the time.

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I haven't talked to him in months. And even then, now it's me. Because this was probably over a year ago that I flew out there. So... it now it turns into me saying, cause he's a younger guy. He's in his like twenties, right? In his late twenties. And I'm saying to him now I'm texting him going, Hey bro, what's going on? Yeah. What happened with your girl? I feel like my kid moved away.

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Oh, really?

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Not that you're advocating. No, I'm not.

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I'm a huge fan of women.

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How can I, I don't know. I think I feel like,

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I said something tells me you do. Something tells me there are a lot of things that there are a lot of similarities.

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I mean, they're really, really winging it.

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That's what, so that didn't, that didn't last long.

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Yeah. Is it as a job? Yeah.

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Is it as a job?

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What is the total loss for you personally? Like in dollar amount? Do you know? Or can you say?

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Were you able to say or can you say how many students you were able to get to kind of with a similar story? Because I know at one point you say you're trying to round up people that had similar experiences.

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So what was, what's the last like communication you've had with the owners or what's like, or how long ago when you start speaking out, like they start reaching out to you, like what, what kind of communication has there been since you've been speaking out?

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You know, there's still an interview with you and Tyler up on his YouTube channel.

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Yeah. Student success, how to overcome trials.

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What was it like when you found out with your team? How did you guys find out you all paid different amounts to enter into the program?

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I guess I may have. So Ryan, is he still with the program? Or since they're having a legal battle, is he totally out of the multifamily mindset?

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So what do they say, like, what do they say the reasoning for your loss is? Like, oh, it's just that happens sometimes? Or, like, do they acknowledge that, you know, you're out hundreds of thousands of dollars? Or it's just like, hey, this is just kind of the way things go sometimes? Or what's, like, why haven't they... What's their perspective or their reasoning for not making it right?

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Yeah, no, no, you get hammered. Federally, you get hammered. These guys are involved in some of those heinous crimes. And just continuously, that's how it ends for these guys. It's going to end up just like him, just like Taco Bowman. Sonny Barger was the exception. Sonny Barger was the exception. He was the exception. He was the exception that he only ended up doing very little time.

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And he died at home. He died at home with his family, which a lot of these guys don't get that. I think he learned after doing four years, that stint, where he realized he was infiltrated. We had an informant from within. I think even though he cooperated years earlier, right, with authorities, I think he realized that that's what he changed, I think.

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And it seems like he was more what I was reading. He took a back step and let other people run the day-to-day operations. And he's more a figurehead where he just go out there, do these movies or do these shows. He did a lot. He became very popular in Hollywood and doing all this stuff and book writing. Yeah. Maybe he learned his lesson. Right. So, Doc Cavazos is an interesting character.

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And the big five and the big six, if you don't know, which are like, let's just say the major leagues, right? And then there's a lot of minor league clubs out there. Eventually, they recruit and they become the big leagues. You have Hell's Angels, right? You have the Outlaws. You have the Bandidos. You have the Vagos. You have the Mongols, right? And the Pagans.

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Always I'm talking about the Mongols. I'm going to give a little history here about them, then go back to them, was that the Mongols and the Pagans seem, what I'm reading, have some sort of alliance to try to take over Florida against the outlaws. And that's what's been talked about there because, you know, currently it's an outlaw state. Right.

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They're doing that in other places where the outlaws are popular in the Midwest also. So, there's a big push to push them out. So, you know, and the Mongols have taken a beating. So this guy, Ruben Da Cavazos, this is an interesting story there. And this is about Mongol nation, the fall of Da Cavazos, the rise and fall of Da Cavazos, my book. And he was raised in East L.A. as a Sureño.

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He grew up in a street gang, an ardent street gang that had Mexican mafia ties. This kind of makes sense. Someone who comes in from this background, you can see them going and doing this, right? The other guys, it was kind of strange I was reading about, but that's their background. It happens. People change. They may be going to Catholic school.

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They may be doing this and they become these monsters. It happens. Unfortunately, it happens. Listen, Stalin was supposed to be a monk. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, some of the guys come out and they do the insane, you know, maybe Putin back in his day was a good guy, but my goodness, I don't see it now anymore.

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They were little angels to their family growing up, but they ended up becoming these monsters, and it's interesting how that happens. So, this guy, Sir 13 guy, he ends up getting recruited by the Mongols, right? He moves up the rank. He has a good personality. Why do they call him Doc? He was a radiologist, so they call him Doc. That was his nickname they gave him, Roman Doc Cavazos.

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But he didn't respect what he saw. He saw that they were a bunch of drunken old men. He grew up with the Sorreños. Remember, Sorreños are badasses. They're tied with the Mexican Mafia. Sir 13, 13th letter of the alphabet is M. Their allegiance is with the Mexican Mafia, right? This is going to bite him later. So I'm just putting this out there.

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Marcus Shrinker, the money manager who attempted to fake his own death during the 2008 financial crisis, is about to be released from prison, and he's ready to talk. He's ready to tell you the story no one's heard. Shrinker sits down with true crime writer Matthew B. Cox, a fellow inmate serving time for bank fraud. Shrinker lays out the details.

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The disgruntled clients who persecuted him for unanticipated market losses, the affair that ruined his marriage, and the treachery of his scorned wife, the woman who framed him for securities fraud, leaving him no choice but to make a bogus distress call and plunge from his multimillion-dollar private aircraft in the dead of night.

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The $11.1 million in life insurance, the missing $1.5 million in gold. The fact is, Shrinker wants you to think he's innocent. The problem is Cox knows Shrinker's a pathological liar and his story's a fabrication. As Cox subtly coaxes, cajoles, and yes, cons Shrinker into revealing his deceptions, his stranger-than-fiction life of lies slowly unravels.

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This is the story Shrinker didn't want you to know. Bailout. The Life and Lies of Marcus Shrinker. Available now on Barnes & Noble, Etsy, and Audible.

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And I wrote a book about this, about the history of the Mexican Mafia, the history of this guy here. And anything you see MS-13, Mara Salatrucha, they have allegiance also with these guys. So anytime you see a 13, you know they are allegiance to the Mexican Mafia. So I'm just putting that there because I'm going to come back to it in a second why it's important in his story.

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If you bite the hand that feeds you, There's going to be problems right there. He sees himself as a leader of this international organization. He moved up the food chain. He's the leader. He doesn't respect what he sees here. He sees a bunch of drunken old men. He wants more suit angels in there. So he starts bringing his guys in.

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All the guys he grew up with and everything else, but these guys don't even own bikes, right? They don't even know how to ride a bike. They don't even know what a Harley is. This is a biker group, right? Right. This ain't a street guy. This becomes comical almost. I'll tell you why. And so his problem is he just brings in people fast and furious into the organization. Well, guess what happens?

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Those are considered the big six because they really divide the country in regions and they fight within themselves to take over. And what are they fighting for? It's all about local drug areas, drug territories where they can sell and make money. The bikers really is an American phenomenon that started in this country after the Second World War. We have World War II veterans.

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Operation Black Rain, ATF Operation Black Rain, that brings them down. Not only the ATF agent, not one agent infiltrated because of his lack of background checks, but he was just bringing people in. Not one, not two agents. not three, not four, not five, not six, not seven, eight agents infiltrated the organization during this operation. Eight.

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Okay. And eight of them are agents? Eight are agents. Okay. In the mother chapter, right? Right. You can read about Operation Black Rain, if you ever read about that one. Three-year investigation that ends up leading to over 60-some indicted, over 100 search warrants, right, in 2008. It ends up being, so they're having issues with Cavazos already within the organization.

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They suspect different things. They think he's stealing from the organization. They boot him out before he's arrested. Right. So they get rid of him. They ban him from the organization. And then, of course, these guys are taken down. Normally, the head of the organization is the last to cooperate. He's the first on board. Right. He knows better. He's the first one on board. Right.

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And normally, these guys get life. They got 14 years. Listen, being first is best. First you get on, you cooperate and everything else. And he even supported their case. Excuse me. He even supported their case to seize the patch where they couldn't even wear their own patch. Right.

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That's a big thing going on now to try to take the symbols from these bikers because to most people, it's something that they represent that brings fear to the public, terrorize them. People see Hells Angels walk into a room or outlaws or Mongols, they think criminals. Fear, intimidation. Here we come. We're going to mess with you.

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So the federal government is trying to seize this so you can't award us again. If you see it, they can take it from you immediately. The case with the judge they had, they didn't like it. They had a bad judge, in my opinion, who had it. This is back in 2012, 13. You can look this up. Said that the government's picking and choosing what symbols they want to seize and don't want to seize.

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And he didn't like that. So even though the jury supported it, the judge at the end didn't sign a final approval forfeiture to do it. So the government then redid it again. And now it's in court again to try to seize the Mongol symbols. Symbols are their patches that they wear on their jackets. Watch out for that. If they succeed this time, Hell's Angels are next.

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We're looking at a way to express in... Because you're in combats against the Nazis or Japanese, right? You come back to the US and you say, you can't just go back to normal life when you did that for five, four years or what have you, right? You want to have some excitement. So it starts that way and then it builds out and gets bigger.

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Outlaws, they're going to keep on going and start taking their symbols. So they can't wear their colors anymore. That's a big deal. That's going on right now. Okay. Yeah. So if they just switch to another symbol... Well, they can, but they keep on going after them, right? If you're going to keep on doing stuff, they're going to keep on after you. That's the thing.

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I'm not sure how they can do that. You know what I'm saying? That doesn't really make sense, but it's like freedom of expression. But it would have been if they didn't involve these criminal activities, right? Right. If they didn't involve these shootings and these murders and they wear their colors while they're doing it. Here it comes.

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It's not like the mafia would try to be covert or something, right? These guys aren't covert. They're showing their colors all the time. They're doing their things. Yeah, so it's kind of crazy. Very crazy what they're doing. So that's kind of the Mongols. I know you're talking there and you have the pagans and some of the interesting biker wars that come in. So yeah, you saw that one there.

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I talked about Laughlin, Nevada. That's a famous one right there. Twin Peaks, if you haven't seen the video of that one, Twin Peaks is in Waco, Texas, right? Massive shootout, probably the worst biker shootout where it ends up the police responds and they treat it like an active shooting

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And they end up killing, I have a number in my book, I think eight or 10, involved in the shooting between the Bandidos and the Cusacks. The Cusacks are a lower tier biker group, right? But they were the lower rocker of Texas. And the Bandidos, the lower rocker. Oh yeah, yeah, okay, okay. On the back. Right. So they're worried. That's a big problem.

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Like I said, man, if you start worrying that, that this is bi-state. Right. You can't be wearing a little rocker. That doesn't sit well with these guys, right? So those are issues they're having. With that, they're also having, and then they want to tax them. Then they want to tax these guys. On top of that, then they want to tax them. So that's a problem. So they're in a parking lot.

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Words are exchanged. They were supposed to have a meeting to try to work things out. It doesn't work out at all. So if you haven't seen that video, I don't know if you've heard about it or seen it. That was a big thing out of Waco. That probably was one of the biggest shootouts since what happened, we talked about on that show with David Koresh and the Branch Davidians back in 92.

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Well, back in, I have the exact date in my book, I think 2016, 2015. This is a big deal, what's happening. If you haven't seen that video, check that out. So. Okay.

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What's happening now? Yeah, no, no, so they keep on, so going back to about Florida, so where are the bikers now? Where are we thinking? I don't see them, this is my opinion, again, based on what I've done, what I've seen, what I've researched, is there nothing where they used to be? Right. The bikers now, where are the bikers now? They're about to collapse. Just like the Italian Mafia.

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And then the Vietnam War veterans and it turns to something else with the 1% of groups. They involve a lot of violence, a lot of drug trafficking, armed drug trafficking, extortion, murder, and other killings are within or against rivals. And I'll talk about some of that there. And I can talk about the Hells Angels. But there in Florida, you have the outlaws there. It wasn't an outlaw state.

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The Italian Mafia is nothing what they used to be. And I wrote that in my book. The fall of the Mafia, the rise of the cartels, right? That's the big one, the gangs, the cartels. Mexico cartels and the gangs are the strongest ever that I've ever seen. And just getting bigger and bigger and stronger because of the corruption in Mexico.

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And this is feeding, like I said, the Mafia at its prime, the Gambino family. Maybe with making $500 million in the 80s, these guys are making 15 to 16 billion a year. That's per cartel group. So the Senate law is making 50, at least. Some of the numbers think it was even higher because they're involved not just in drug trafficking. These guys are involved in stealing oil from the pipelines.

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They're involved in cargo shipping. They're involved in extortion. They're involved in, I mean, these guys are in everything and they buy everybody. And they don't buy you, they kill you. Right? Right. We get all the guns from the United States. Right? Gold or lead? Yes.

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Yeah, yeah, that's true.

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The carrot or the stick technique, right?

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I'll give you the carrot or here comes the stick. Right. And it's not going to just be for you. It's going to be for your whole family and we're going to do it in front of you. which they're payments for. Bring the whole family in front of you, execute them, and they don't kill them with a bullet. The mafia, they just want to shoot you and be done with you and bury you, whatever.

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No, they're more sadistic than that. Yeah. These guys start dismembering, cutting you up, and doing really bad things to you. Did you see the movie, The Counselor?

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They do. That's all well documented. These assassins are horrible. And they start at a young age. These sicarios start at a young age. You know, like some of these serial killers, psychopaths, they're taught to be desensitized early, and you kill.

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That's what Guzman, I think we said on one of the shows, when Chapo Guzman was interviewed by Sean Penn and Kate Garcia in the mountains after he escaped the second time, He said he himself had killed over 2,000 people to climb up the food chain, right? So you get respect. That's not counting all the ones he gave the orders to kill, right? Because life is no value. No value at all.

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They have the lower rocker. This is Florida, right? Because the lower rocker says, that's my area. So if a rival biker says they have their lower rocker in the back and says that state, that's a problem. That's going to be a big fight that's going to go on there because you see that in California with the Hells Angels and the Mongols.

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I don't think I'd be asking. I've been doing a lot of drug deals. I don't think I'm asking for a credit score. What he drives by, he drives by his, his family's house.

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Both of them claim California for their state and that's where they're always fighting and they're going at each other and it's really nasty, nasty battles. And I'll talk a little about that and the history there. So let me start with the most popular and probably the face of the Hells Angels, if not of the biker world, Sonny Barger, right? A lot of people say, what's Sonny Barger?

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But he's just clueless. No, that guy's dangerous. He's clueless like that also. What was that TV show, which it kind of reminds me of, where the guy was a chemistry teacher and then he gets involved in- Breaking Bad. Breaking Bad, yes. And he also gets involved in that culture. I watch a few episodes here and there. a good actor is in there. I can't remember his name right now. Norton?

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I forget his name. He's great though. He's been around forever. He did Malcolm in the Middle, which is a funny one too. He's done so many good movies and shows and everything else, but he shaved his head. I'm like, oh my God. He got really into the role and he had tents. He was like, he brought his chemistry background to cooking good meth. He said, this is not hard to do. I have a buddy named,

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These guys are involved in stealing oil from the pipelines. They're involved in cargo shipping. They're involved in extortion. They're involved in, I mean, these guys are in everything and they buy everybody and they don't buy you. They kill you.

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He just passed away last summer, by the way. He was a big name that passed away. He had cancer and so did Mom Boucher, who was the face of the Hells Angels from Canada. Both of those guys really have an atrocious criminal history of these guys. And a lot of people, they have the facade also. This is me in law enforcement, ATF. We've done the big cases.

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No, and even if you have El Chapo now, he's in prison, right? He's looking at life. And that's, I mean, I don't know if we talked about this. He already get life. Yeah, he's got life, but I mean, he should have been, Mexico should have handled their problem, right? They tried. They let us, not once, not twice, but three times. You can't keep the guy in?

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And the last one was in the Supermax where he builds, if you haven't seen this video, folks, look at this video in here where they have the underground tunnel with a little moped. They even put him there. And he even says, he's even yelling. There have been documented reports. They said, you guys are too damn loud. Everybody's going to hear you, right? Everybody can, but he bought everybody.

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I think over 70 people were arrested over the second time. It was a disgrace, an absolute disgrace. And when he's even being interviewed by Sean Penn and Kid Nick Astillo in the mountains of Sinaloa, Yeah. What the heck? They almost caught him because they tracked her following. Yeah. They were tracking her following.

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They came this close to catch him, but he is also known as El Rapido, the fast one. So he is the master of tunnels. Dude, that guy has tunnels everywhere. And he was able to escape and again, get away. Eventually they caught him again and enough. Third time, He comes over here, and now he's in the Supermax. If you haven't seen those pictures, man, he's a tight little cell.

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He's looking up there, and he's unhappy. Now, allegedly, he's fed up with it, and he wants to cooperate. It's worth being documented. He's finally had enough of that.

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Yeah, he's out of the game for a while. He could just tell, well, I mean, I don't know, because... Does he know who's running the hierarchy instead of law? His sons, his family's involved. His wife has been arrested. His son has recently been arrested. Right. Who's next? His nephew, his cousin? I mean, he has a huge family. Did they ever catch Miles and Bada? The father, has he ever been caught?

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I don't think so. I think he's dead. He has health issues. That guy has a major, major, he's old. He's up in there. There's been a day in prison. I don't think he, some of these guys never do. Like I said, there's guys that do, right? And the guys that don't, they get away with it. Like I said, or they get killed from within or he died from health issues, what have you.

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They're deemed criminal enterprise by Department of Justice, right? Right. Because they try to do toys for tots. They try to do these other things that'll make them look good. But on the back end, They're involved in major drug trafficking. They're involved in firearms trafficking. They're involved in murders and other things that leads them to where they're at in that culture.

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But El Metro Cervantes now is the big dog. You know, he's out there in Jalisco region in Guadalajara, right? Yeah. But he, I don't know if I talked about this show or not. But he's very different than Escobar and he's very different than this guy Guzman. These guys love to live a large life, right? Everybody knew Escobar was in his big palace, right?

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It wasn't hard to find him. Medellin, very corrupt in Medellin, right? What he did out there. He bought everybody. Everybody knew that this guy was a Sinaloa. They knew exactly his big ranch, right? He had these famous parties. I mean, that was a sick guy. I don't know if you know, I wrote about it in my book out there about life. If you like what I'm talking about Guzman,

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Go read what I write about him. But he had these sick parties where he liked to bring underage girls, 14, drug them, and he said this was his vitamins. It gave him life to be able to take advantage of these young girls. Right. That's kind of the sickness that some of these guys get involved in.

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El Macho Cervantes, he's in Guadalajara, and he's had, and we can talk in another show about this, but I'll give you a little background about him. Former police officer from Jalisco. right? He was in the United States illegally. DA popped him heroin trafficking. He gets deported.

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He comes in there, joins the police department in Jalisco, turns dirty, becomes an assassin for the cartels in policing, right? And then starts working for the Millennium, which does protection work for Sinaloa. He was an ally at one point. Now he's one of the biggest rivals because he starts his own CJNG, right? Alaska New Generation. So former law enforcement, he keeps a small circle.

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He jumps around different houses. He does not live, does not act. He has a small security team around him. Anything unusual, they're always moving different locations. Keeps a tight circle around him. And allegedly, he himself, you don't know his background, just like this guy, dropped out of school, went to fourth, fifth grade, semi-illiterate, right?

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He grew up selling avocados in the streets from poverty. Allegedly, the government says he's worth over $50 billion in assets. $50 billion in assets. El Menchil.

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It's a failed drug state. It's pretty much a failed state that's become a narco state, right? That's what makes it become a narco state. So we don't have a fair partner in the war on drugs at all. So how do you fix it? It has to be from within, right? I know I've said it before in another show too. I get criticized. If you're a non-corrupt politician in Mexico, I'll give you the answer.

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So Sonny Barger is an interesting guy. He was born, a little background on him. He was born in the 30s in Modesto, California, from a broken home. His mother left him when he was a few months old. His dad was an alcoholic. He had an older sister, had issues in school. He dropped out in 10th grade. And he joined the army underage. He lied about his age. He wasn't 18.

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It gets fixed here in the United States. People start using the products. Then there's nothing. No one's going to buy it. The game's over. If we didn't consume it, they don't have the issues there, right? So America stopped consuming it. Europeans stopped consuming it. Canadians stopped consuming it. Other countries that have become popular stopped consuming it.

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Now they're going to do other things. I was going to say they're not going to do that.

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Marijuana, I see that happening now, right? I think many states are legalizing it for recreational use. It's not medical use anymore. Many states now, I think like over 25 plus and counting, every year a new state adds up to the list. Where I live, they just passed it for recreational use, right? So that's a start with marijuana, right? I think people are okay with that now.

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I guess you have to learn from history. And I read a lot about prohibition, right? With how Al Capone and the outfit and all these guys became so rich, right? But it took it out of them once they legalized it, right? 1933, it all changed. Right. Right for them. So how much can you legalize? What can you do? There's certain things you can do and have to do.

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But obviously this path that we're going, it's not working. It's a disaster in Mexico. It's a disaster in our country, fentanyl. We have a fentanyl crisis in this country, right? With addictions, destroying family, right? All this stuff coming in. Things have to be working. Do I have the answers? The only thing I can say is I can tell you what, this ain't working. I wish people wouldn't use it.

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Right. That's a solution. Stop using it. Just say no. Right. Nancy Reagan. Just say no. It's not going to happen. People just said no. This goes away. Right. This goes away. So we have to really look at ourselves. We have to look at the crisis in Mexico. I think part of it could also be martial law. right? You have to imply martial law in Mexico. You have to have the United States involved.

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You have to have us with drones. Maybe they're controlling it, going in there and annihilating these guys. But like anything else with ant, you ever seen ant colony? You drop a bomb, you drop something on one, it just keeps on spreading.

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Spreading and spreading. That's what happens. You keep on fracturing these cartel groups, which I see in history. They just spread and spread and spread and they don't go away. They splinter groups after splinter group after splinter group, and they just keep on splintering. I mean, the Zetas are a perfect example. I mean, they were hit hard, but they kept on splintering and splintering.

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Golf cartels are getting hit hard now. They're splintering. These guys are splintering because CJNG was partisan and low with Millennium. They all splinter, and they grow, and they get stronger. So instead of having five, six big ones, you may have 50 or 100 little ones. Same problems. Harder to deal with. Corruption.

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So I know we got off topic a little bit with the cartels, but all these guys end up working one way or the other, either with the, used to be the Italians, they're not, or they used to be, they're almost done, gone. Racketeering cases destroyed them. The bikers, going back with them. All the big faces, all the big names are pretty much done. New generation, nobody wants to do 30 years, right?

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Right. They're going to all cooperate. You got RICO charges? People cooperate with RICO charges, RICO cases. So that's the end of these groups as we're going to know it. Then why do the cartels can do that? Because they're in Mexico. It's hard to grab them. If they were in the US, I think that'd be different.

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Now, the only thing I can say is my experience in doing a lot of cases of street gangs, it seems we have a problem with this cycle of violence that continues with these kids that we have to get them out of the street gang culture. You can't continue to have, you know, the grandfather was in the gang, the father's in the gang. We have to remove them from that culture.

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I think he was like 15 or 16 when he joined the army. He was there for a year and a half until they discovered he was underage and he was discharged from the military. He'd get involved. He loved bikes. He was like a mechanic. He worked on bikes. And then in the late 50s, he starts the Hells Angels. But the Oakland chapter, right?

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Because it seems like, and I'm seeing it, oh, the father was ahead of this group. Now Junior's ahead of his group. Now this kid's, it's just, you've got to get that generational cycle out. I mean, I look at L.A. I worked in L.A. for almost a year, and it was generational. These guys were generational. And they love it.

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That's a problem we have in our country that we have to deal with is the violence of street gangs that we have to remove and give them hope. Because we saw with the Mexican mafia, I'm sorry, with the Italian mafia is that the guys in the mafia didn't want their kids involved. They went to school. Some of them became doctors and lawyers. They didn't want their kids involved in this culture.

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They knew this is no end, this is zero, right? But you don't have that mentality with the street gangs. They take a lot of pride. Like, you know, they have that blue collar. I think education is also a big part. You have to help get education to these people where they realize, you know, this is no future for you.

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It's going to end up, you say, you know, one of two ways, death or imprisonment, right? So I think there's a lot of things to be looked at. We have a lot of problems. I've studied it for almost 30 years, 26 years, right, in this country. Some things are getting worse. Some things are getting better. I've written a lot about them.

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I think you see 70-some books about it, mostly true crime, my own personal experiences, and you can see what they're all about. But I definitely don't see the mafia and the one percenters as big a problem as I do with the cartels and the street gangs. That is the biggest problem for our country right now. Okay. What do you think?

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But there was already a Hells Angels before in California that started the 40s by Otto Friendly, who was himself a veteran from the Second World War. So there were some issues in California. And so he tries to set up some bylaws because there's a lot of infighting. So who's going to run the Hells Angels? Well, at the time, it ends up being the chapter out of headquarters out of San Bernardino.

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There's a lot of options out there that we have to start exploring. No doubt about that. What's happening now is not working. Some people say just build more prisons. Nah, come on.

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Put them away. I think that you have to do that with repeat violent offenders who don't want to change. We have to protect society. Those who are nonviolent want to be rehabilitated

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That's why I go back to you have to educate them. You have to give them a future. You have to give them hope. And the ones who do take advantage of their choices, I think don't go back in the system. The ones who don't do anything, they're only thinking about the next score or the next lick or the next whatever they're going to do. That's a problem because they're just looking to do another score.

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They just can't wait. What they're doing is some of them is to try to become better at being criminals and talk to other people how to be a better criminal. We need to keep those separate from each other. I love these guys literally, well, next time I'm going to do it right. Yeah. There's a right way?

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If you think there's a right way, you haven't learned your lesson and now you're going to get more time and it's going to be worse for you. And those are the kind of guys we have to incarcerate. You want the guys that want to say, man, I really messed up. And I've been doing a lot of shows. If you like this show, please watch the ones we've done.

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I've done a lot of shows out there on YouTube and guys who have learned like yourselves, right? You don't want to go back again, right?

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Otto Friendly gets arrested, and he gets 10 years. And Sonny Barger takes over, and he moves the chapter, the headquarters, to Oakland. Never looks back. And then he becomes the face of the Hells Angels and runs them for years and years and years. I don't know if your audience has seen, he pretty much became the face of the counterculture movement in the 60s and 70s.

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All my 40s. All your 40s and late 30s, right? I was 50 when I got out. Oh, so late 30s too. So you missed your late 30s and 40s in prison. Yes. Coleman. You were in Coleman the whole time. I was in Coleman. I've been there a few times doing interviews and stuff like that.

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So at least you learned your lesson and he was a white collar. I've seen guys who do violent crime because they have no education. They didn't study, they're illiterate, right? They can barely do anything. This is all they know.

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So we have to, in my opinion, and I've written about this in my book, Prison Gang Killers, and I've written about it in other books, you have to get them outside the street gangs. You can't extract them from that Mexican mafia culture or MS-13 culture or Latin King culture, bloods or Crips. You can't get them away from that. Guess what happens when they go back to the street again?

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They go back to that again.

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When you think of the counterculture movement, you think of Sonny Barger, the Hells Angels. They were popular in movies. They became, they were celebrities. They were big at that time. They were really big. If you haven't seen this video, I encourage everybody to take a look at it. In 1969, this was like the Woodstock. of the time in Northern California, Almonte Springs, California.

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Yeah. Oh, those kind of people, yeah, for sure. When you're in the gang culture, that kind of street culture, you have to almost start again, which is a great story. But I'm talking about Katrina. I responded with ATF after the fact, and they had a task force set up in Baton Rouge. A lot of the proms in New Orleans went to Baton Rouge, right?

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And we have to deal with that, you know, ATF, when we respond there, you know, we're there to help take care of, you know, the worst of violent criminals and put those people away and do cases and gun, gun cases and all that. But we also, you know, took a day or two and went to see how New Orleans was looking. It was a ghost town. I never, I've seen New Orleans before. Yeah.

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And I've seen years later, it was a major city was a ghost town. They had a few bars open.

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empty it was being martial law in effect it was unbelievable what i was seeing in uh new orleans and it happens anywhere but uh that kind of story it's i i think it feels good but you wouldn't want wish him to help his other family members right try to get them out of that same situation right he said he never he said it wasn't till katrina that he even thought getting out

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You had the Rolling Stones, who were getting a lot of slack at the time for doing a lot of expensive concerts. They decided to throw a free concert, and all the big names were there. Jefferson Airplane was there. Grateful Dead was there. Everybody, this was as big as Woodstock was. But unfortunately, their manager, security, had to Hell's Angel do the security for the concert.

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Fascinating story. Boom. Yeah. And I'm not sure your whole story, I'm not seeing bits and pieces. How did you do a Dateline story? I wasn't familiar with that.

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People still watch it on TV. You know, back then, Dateline was huge back then. Yeah, oh yeah, for sure, for sure. I don't remember all the big names, but they had some big names back there on Dateline, and they were household names. My name's escaping me right now, but I remember watching Dateline. There were some good shows. And then, of course, the world changes whenever it goes on the internet.

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They go on all little worlds now. Now everybody goes into their own YouTube world and that's people disappear to now, which is fascinating. I think I told you, maybe on the first show I told someone else that people would say, you know, what are you doing with the internet? In 95 when Windows came out and I went on and you're going on there and dial up. Dial up? What the hell is this? Emails.

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What the hell are you doing? What is all this stuff? Bad. Yeah. And I said, no, this is going to be the future. There's no way it's going to be the future. Now we have all this stuff on our phones, right? We do everything in power of hand. We can't live without it. How do we have without it? How do we function without it? It's just fascinating how the world changes and stuff.

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And that's intriguing. But I want to tell you one quick story. I know you like the True Crime Channel and I had just finished writing a book on the Miami's history with the mafia. So we're talking about organized crime. Okay. And I don't realize how much entrenched organized crime was, you know, Al Capone died in Miami. He had a, I don't know if you've seen these pictures.

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If you haven't seen these pictures, type in 93 Palm Avenue on Palm Island. It's a little island, man-made island, part of the city of Miami Beach. Beautiful island, expensive homes, expensive homes. You can see Al Capone's old house there. It's been bought and sold numerous times since he died in the late 40s, right? And he died there from syphilis. He had symptoms from syphilis and he died.

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Weren't they hurting people or fighting? You haven't seen this videos. I mean, you gotta look at that. This puts the Hells Angels, people see it firsthand. And Rolling Stone Magazine dubbed it, the concert, it said, let it be, let it bleed. Things get so out of control out there with the melee fighting. Allegedly, they said that their concert going, people were getting, you know, LSD was popular.

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I think at the end of his death, he had the capacity of a 12-year-old. That's how bad things were for him because, and it was treatable for him, but unfortunately he didn't get the right treatment he needed and it was too late for him by the time he died. But at the time, he invested over $100,000 in 1920s, which today I think easily two or three million dollars.

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He built the largest residential pool in the country at the time. Look at how long, you look at the pool, look at the pictures, it's insane, insane. And he ends up dying there. And he bought it from, of all things irony, a founding member of Anheuser-Busch. He did what from, he bought it from Anheuser, what? He bought it from a founding member of Anheuser-Busch. Wait, I don't understand.

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He bought the pool from Anaheim? No, the property, the house. Oh, the property. Okay, sorry. Remember, he was kind of blackballed. The Chicago outfit in Chicago, they pushed him out. He went cross country trying to find a new home and he ended up finding it in South Florida because he has contacts and they buy it under someone else's name.

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And so that's irony because I thought it was funny, especially with prohibition. and then legalization, and we made his money, and now he's buying from somebody who used to own it from there. And it's a 14-room building, 14-room, two or three stories immensely. Now I think it's a company that uses it for model shoots and stuff like that and owns it. So they really did a nice job with it.

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It looks really, really good. But quick story here. So this is a book I wrote, Miami's History of the Mafia. A lot of people don't know this story, and I think it's a cool story to tell. There's a lot of cool stories in there with that. The almost assassination of FDR happened in Miami. Franklin Delano Roosevelt, right? Right. 1933. February 33, FDR just beats Hoover.

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Hoover was a very unpopular president. I'm also a history guy, so if you don't know, I do history politics, and I love this. So this is a combination of true crime and history. It's in my area of expertise, which I love. Middle of the Depression. The Depression is horrible. You have, of course, the rise of the Al Capone is going on there. So you have 1933.

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FDR wins the last slide because Hoover, they thought, is very cruel. You know he had COVID? where we had all the money pumping in for people who couldn't have jobs, they lost everything else. Hoover wasn't doing that, right? He wasn't supporting the veterans. He wasn't supporting those unemployment.

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Even Al Capone, which is unbelievable, see these pictures, he even paid for soup kitchens and he was helping. That's what people thought he was a man of the people. Al Capone was kind of popular with the people because he helped, you know, that's what Escobar did, building soccer fields and schools type thing, right? Al Capone was doing the same thing in Chicago with stuff like that.

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While Hoover was being kind of stingy with the money, very, very Republican, And they thought he wasn't helping the people like he should be taking care of the elite and ultra rich. FDR was going to change that. A little background if you like that stuff. If not, you know, you don't have to listen to it. So you have this little Italian guy named Giuseppe Zangara. He's an Italian immigrant.

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Have you heard this story before or no? Sounds familiar so far. You've heard it? I don't know. Let me hear it. Okay. This is now, we're talking February 33, 1933, right? FDR is not present yet. Things were a little different then. He didn't get sworn in in June. I mean, in January, he'll be sworn in in March. Things will change later with airplanes and stuff like that where it will be changed.

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The president will be sworn now in January. But back then it was March. It was still March because then it was a time where people would take longer to get to different locations, but planes and technology would change that. There's a little history there and that will be changing why. So he would go to Bimini on a short fishing trip.

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Everybody's smoking weed. The concert goers were all day out there partying, partying, drinking. And a lot of Hells Angel guys were getting paid. with kegs of beer. So they had lots of kegs of beer in the back for their security team, right? They're drinking heavily. Casa Gurres are drinking heavily and on whatever drugs they can. You can see the pictures. You can tell these guys are on something.

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He came back and he was going to do a one, two minute speech to a crowd in Miami at Bayfront Park. Those who know what Bayfront Park is, that's near downtown. It's in Miami, very popular areas, changed a lot. But remember, people don't learn their lessons. We've already had three presidents assassinated. three, right?

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Now the Secret Service, after McKinley assassination, Secret Service came on board, right? But they don't learn their lesson with FDR because Kennedy will be assassinated the same exact way years later, convertibles. big problem, right? They are a big problem because the president's not protected. He was in a convertible. He was up.

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The mayor of Chicago, Anton Cermak, who has become very popular, people are thinking he could be maybe down the road, a running mate with him, was there to talk to him about things that were going on in Chicago and give himself some look at what's going on there. A little positive, but it's an interesting story here. This guy, Zangari, is a little crazy, obviously. Short, talented guy.

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He gets on a rocking chair like this, and he gets this .32 caliber Avery Johnson And he starts shooting over a lady on top of her head at the president, president-elect, FDR. Bump, bump, bump like that. And people start grabbing his arm. And his hands start moving all over. FDR is spared right there in Bayfront. But Cermak gets hit. The mayor of Chicago. And he ends up dying a few days later.

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And allegedly, it's in this plaque, his last words with Mr. President, I'm glad it was me and not you. Allegedly, that's one of his last words that were said. I don't know. Right. That's what's out there. So that happened there. FDR came very close. Of course, Kennedy was killed by Oswald. Same situation, right? Convertible. Going down. People don't learn their lessons in life.

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History tends to repeat itself. And they didn't learn the lesson with Hinckley either. Reagan almost just killed. The crowd got too close, right? He didn't have the protection he needed. So they learned their lessons of that. My problem with this with the mafia, this is theorists out there. People talk about it with Zangara.

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Zangara was actually hired by the mafia from the outfit because Frank Nitti at the time was running the outfit. you had Aquapon and Alcatraz, right? He's out of the picture. Nitti is running operations out there. The mayor is trying to clean up the city. He has his guys do a search warrant in his office and try to kill him and shoot him, saying he was armed and they shot him.

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He doesn't die and they show that he was unarmed. The officers that shot and said he was trying to kill him are arrested and they are fired from the job for allegedly lying in the reports and stuff like that. Allegedly, this was out there. Nitti wants payback. for the mayor trying to have him killed through his officers, right? Because this guy, and he wasn't, FDR wasn't a real target.

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It was the mayor that was a target. A little history of the Miami. Miami's history with the mafia. So what did Zangara, the Italian guy say, what did he say? He gets the quickest execution in Florida history. His trial was less than a month. He was on death row in Rayford for less than 10 days and is executed, the quickest execution in Florida history in Old Sparky.

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I'm not sure if that was one of the early ones from Old Sparky. Old Sparky's had some good ones. Bundy, right? Zangara, right? And some other massive serial killers have been executed by Old Sparky. Now it's no more Old Sparky now. Now it's lethal injection. But they had Old Sparky. And allegedly- His last words were, Viva Italia. Just like that. We'll copy his. Viva Italia. I dare you do it.

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It's really bad. And they accuse the Casa Gurres of pushing, breaking their bikes, right? And all of a sudden, fights being out, they're going at it. Even the singer for Justin Davis at Justin Airplane gets knocked out by one of the Hells Angels. You look at the picture, he gets knocked out. Boom, he's knocked out there.

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Push the button. Push that button. They did it. All right. So, a little Mafia's history with the Mafia. All right. That's a good story, man. So, look it up. If you like those stories, history, I love that. You put history with true crime, that's my thing.

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Oh, okay.

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Now he has to do this. There's all these spin-offs. Now we're going to have RFK Jr. become president now.

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Keith Richardson allegedly said there Sonny Barger puts a gun to his side and says, you're going to keep on playing. So it's really getting out of control. And there's one black guy, he's in a green suit. You can't miss it there. One of the Hells Angel guys take a knife to him because he's pushing back and he gets stabbed. You can see the video of him being stabbed by the Hells Angel guy.

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Trump might die for a third time, it looks like. Not one, not two, three.

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Oh, he'll just pardon himself. He can't pardon himself. Can you imagine that? He creates that precedent that you can pardon yourself? Nixon could have pardoned himself. Didn't Ford pardon Nixon, right? Ford pardoned Nixon. Yeah. The question, would DeSantis pardon him if he wins?

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Wait a minute. But he's in the game. He's in the game. We'll see what happens. I like RFK Jr. 's chances. I find him appealing. He's a moderate, and I think Biden's in trouble. You don't want Kamala Harris, man, with her horrible cackle, the word, Miss Word Salad herself. Yeah. She could be the worst vice president in U.S. history.

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Yeah, Florida's a big state. A lot of rich history there in Florida. I did some cases out there and very interesting. It's currently, it was when I was there, an outlaw state. You're out there in Pasco County and Wesley Chapel. But before it was an open state. before Taco Bowman, who became the head of the outlaws. I want to backtrack a little. I'm going to give you a little history.

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The likelihood that he will self-sabotage himself is- That's his likelihood. He does that all the time. Yeah. He controls himself. And keep away from Twitter or whatever you're going to use. Stop using that stuff. Don't- Let him read the teleprompter. Yeah, but he can't do that. Just read the teleprompter. No, he's like Biden. When he gets off script, ooh, he doesn't want to do it.

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I do also a lot of political books, and I predicted last year, Joe Biden won and done. one term, he's not going to win again. I don't care if Trump or DeSantis or, I don't know, Chris Christie? I don't know. He's kind of going out there. He's an interesting character. Nikki Haley? Maybe? I don't know. There's a lot of potential out there. There's a lot of people on the field

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Trump has a name recognition. People feel sorry. They don't like that he's been indicted. I think two out of the three, in my opinion, are bogus cases. I think paying off the porn star after seven years ago, that's, you know, Daniel Storm. Yeah, that's super ridiculous. Ridiculous. The one with Georgia interfering with the elections, I'm not sure how strong the case is.

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But I think the one he should be worried about, this is my opinion, this is Bill Barr and other people saying the same thing, is why do they have classified documents? In Mar-a-Lago, after the FBI said, bring it back, turn them over, we need them back, including invasion plans of Iran.

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He had operational plans how to invade Iran because they were getting fed up with all their tactics, what they were doing to us. And because the threat of having a nuclear, we can't have Iran with a nuclear weapon. Obviously, there'll be a threat to Israel and to us. So a lot of things are going on that shouldn't be out there. And I think that is, he's probably looking at over 30 years.

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It's never going to happen. How can he run the White House? Can he run the country in America? I guess house arrest in Mar-a-Lago? They should say AI. Would they give him an ankle monitor maybe? Maybe.

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So take a look at that. He gets charged with murder for that. And that really starts to put on the reputation of the Hells Angels. And then people see for what they really are. These bunch of thugs and goons at this concert. So if you haven't seen that Alcamonte Speedway concert, take a look at that video. It's unbelievable. So that starts it out.

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It is comical. And people say if I wrote that and I said fiction, nonfiction is stranger than fiction, right? Yeah, absolutely. I wrote that in a book. People say this is garbage.

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A lot. Yeah. He's a drug courier that came from Texas. But you don't justify murder, right? You don't kill somebody. You have to try to work things out. Right. So, allegedly, he shoots him while he's sleeping in the house. They find out where he's in. They shoot him in the head, cold blood.

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There's a witness that says, testifies trial, that Sonny Barger shot this guy in cold blood, you know, and kills him right there. And then they try to burn down the house.

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What saves him, in my opinion, this is my opinion, right, what I've researched and everything else, is that there's a Oakland Police Department sergeant that says that, well, Sonny Barger, on their defense, says that he's been working for us for years. Pretty much saying he's a cooperator. Right.

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I guess the Black Panthers and I guess the Underground Weather, leftist organizations, pretty much domestic terrorist organizations, giving us weapons and explosives, information, where they're at, what they're doing, in exchange for lesser time for guys that hell's angels have been arrested. Okay. So that was a big thing. So Sonny Barger cooperates with law for years.

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That comes out during the trial.

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Third party cooperation, maybe for himself. I don't know. Because for a year, people couldn't figure out why Sonny Barger hadn't been arrested. He would become, he gets acquitted, by the way, for this murder trial. He was looking at the death penalty to find the time he had the death penalty. Then it would change. It would not. Now it's back again.

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He gets acquitted and he would be dubbed, in my opinion, he would become the Teflon Don for the biker world because he escapes a death penalty case, which people thought was a slam dunk. Right. And I think that kind of helped him there. He later gets popped for some other things for drug charges later.

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He does a little bit of time in California and then the feds bring in this massive racketeering case. Right. In the early eighties in San Francisco, spends millions of dollars and he walks. And he walks on that. A lot of his guys walked on that one. So later it would change. Racketeering case would get better and stronger, but this was a testing ground, and he walks on that one there.

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So what happens in the late 80s, one of his guys gets murdered by the outlaws in Louisville, who was the chapter president out of Anchorage. They were in a bar fight, and the outlaws kill one of his guys.

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No, that's a different one. These guys are involved in so many, it's unbelievable. But this one here, he gets murdered. And unfortunately, he doesn't realize that the sergeant of arms from Anchorage is working with the feds. Okay. And he comes down there because they're meeting how to get back, how to plot, how to kill these guys, right, out of Kentucky.

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So they get charged with conspiracy to cross state lines with explosives to kill these bikers, these outlaws who killed one of theirs. He gets them off four years. So that's the most time he gets. Some of the other guys, Taco Bowman got two life sentences, right? I'm not bouncing. Something's a little better when I have a little bit. Yeah.

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People say, what's a 1%-er? Maybe some of you guys don't know what a 1%-er is and the history of the biker world. 1%-er was the term given by the AMA, the American Motorcycle Association, for those who are, it said 99% of those who ride their bikes are law-abiding citizens. They're good people, right? It's that 1% because they're always in mailies and brawls and everything else.

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Taco Bowman gets two life sentences, right, for his case out of Tampa. Okay. And that's not far from here. I knew the prosecutor of that case, and one of the prosecutors, and they hammered him. Sonny Barger dies a free man. A lot of these guys don't die free men. They die incarcerated for life. Long, long stints out there. So he gets hit with that. He comes out. He's changed a little bit.

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He changes a lot. And he ends up getting involved with this show, Sons of Anarchy. He writes a lot of books. He's a show consultant. He's even in the show. His character is Lenny the Pimp. If you haven't seen an FX, ever see Sons of Anarchy? I've seen bits and pieces of it, but I don't remember Lenny the Pimp. Very popular show. Yeah. And it changes his persona. Obviously, he has cancer issues.

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He suffers from that. He gets involved back into drinking. He did have a cocaine addiction back in the 60s and 70s, extremely bad addiction that he had to fight with a lot of issues he had. And then he gets involved in other things. And then he gets throat cancer. he can't speak anymore, he has to speak with a voice box.

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So, he goes through a lot of issues, eventually dies from cancer and that, but, and he's also involved in a lot of domestic, his third wife accused him of serious domestic abuse and his stepdaughter says that she feared for her life every day, thought he was going to kill her. So, that's the life, you know, Sonny Barger, I mean, they spread all over the US and all the world, right? Hells Angels?

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Exactly.

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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, especially in Europe. They're enormous in Europe. The biker wars, the Nordic biker wars, I've talked about some of the biker wars, but if you want to talk about a massive melee, if you want to see the video, you talk about the one in the video, go to a loft in Nevada, right, in Harris Casino, and look at 2002.

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Yeah, that one's intense, and I kinda, I know we've talked about, I think on your show and other shows, about poor police response to mass shootings and attacks and good ones. Right. I think this was a bad one, because the police officers stayed outside on this one, and you have the patrons

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in there cowering, fearing for their lives while you have the Hells Angels, you can see the video, they're just charging right at each other like this. Boom, and it's on. It's on. A few guys get killed from both sides, stabbings and shootings and everything else. Right. And look at that. That's part of the rivalry between the Hells Angels and the Mongols. It's extremely, extremely intense there.

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So the book I have there on Sonny Barger, and I've written quite a few books. I've written one on Sonny Barger, Full Throttle, Riding with the Hell's Angels, A Life of Sonny Barger. I have one on Taco Bowman with the Outlaws. I have also one on Dakobasis, Mongol Nation, which I'm going to talk a little bit about him, about his life, and also Biker Wars, and I also have one on the...

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on the one percenters. And then I have one that all together that talks about all these two one percenter bikers, violent bikers. Do you know who Jim or Big Jim Nolan is?

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Yeah, his name was big there. And of course, Taco Bowman was a big face, big name who kind of had more ambitious. I mean, and he's a different guy. I mean, Sonny Barger, you kind of maybe understand he came from a broken home. He had a sister. He dropped out of school. He got involved in this culture and the cocaine, the fame. He just grew and he had ambitions, right?

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And these outlaws pretty much took it to heart and put the patch on it. This is one percenter. They like to be outsiders. They like to be outlaws. They like to be hell raisers. It's the 1% that make the 99% look bad. Exactly. The bad apples. They love being the bad apple of the bunch. They really enjoy doing that.

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He had ambitions for the Hells Angels. I mean, these guys make a lot of money with, obviously, you saw the drug traffic angle, 80,000 drugs. He was doing pretty good for his time with the drugs, right? Yeah. And he had other angles and stuff. And then he got involved with the cocaine and the drugs and incarceration and murder. And he becomes an ego thing, right? And these guys get cut up.

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Doc Cavazos, Ruben Doc Cavazos, he became the head of the Mongol. This one I understand fully more than Taco Bowman. Taco Bowman, he was a product of Catholic school education, right? Up in Detroit. And he gets involved with the outlaws, and then he becomes a brutal, brutal leader, ruthless and killer, that he ends up being convicted out of Tampa, like I said, and gets two life sentences.

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He dies a few years ago, incarcerated. That's how it ends for most of these guys. The life of the culture, like anything else, you've seen it. You might have seen some of these guys where you were at.

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He's a big guy. And all these guys also used to juice a lot. They juice up a lot because that's part of the reputation, right?

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This guy was just big. Naturally, could be. Oh, just tall, tall guy.

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I know something's wrong when someone tells me about a scam and then my first thought is, nice, are you serious? And then I have to catch myself and go, oh wait, hey, whoa, whoa, wait a minute. Don't get to the manager. She's doing this with the ID. Oh, that's, that's, am I, why am I sweating? They pull up your credit card and they go, huh?

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Oh, I never said nothing. I never said, I understand that you got a DUI and you did fucking 10 days, or I understand you've got fucked up and you went to jail for 18 months. Okay. But you weren't looking at 26 fucking years and you don't fucking know me. And first of all, I, I,

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It is. It's crazy.

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Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. You've got, to me, bank robbers that are zip-tying people and taking over banks and getting away with, granted, no money, but you're terrifying people, and they're getting six years, seven years. So you got out when? I got out in July 2019. All right.

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And I'll tell you what happened to me after that. I mean, my judgment commitment, you know, says that I cannot work or consult and... In finance, real estate, development, or construction for some reason. So you can't even consult? No. For one year, I had to take... a behavior modification class where you meet with a psychiatrist once, you know, once, one hour a week. Right.

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Of course, I have the financial where I have to fill out the form, but I also have to fill out a paperwork every month to tell them how much money came in to come up with my restitution. I still owe like six million. Okay. I'm good for it. Yeah, I know you are.

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Oh, yeah. No, no. Me too. They're going to take them forever. But other than, you know, obviously I have to do the piss test and I can't travel or do anything like that. Although I have traveled, I just had to get permission from the court. Had to get my passport back. Now, keep in mind, two of my charges are... Passport fraud.

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Well, one was fraudulent application of a passport, and one is actually use of a fraudulent. So you filed one under someone else's name for renewal or something?

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I had two dozen passports.

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That's pretty good, right? 27 driver's licenses in seven different states.

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How do you not know the process? And so as we're – so I'm sitting there going on and on. But they were like, you know, well, when you were making the synthetic identities, like, well, I don't understand. I thought the – I thought like, well, how could you stop something like that?

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Yeah, I would go... You know, as long as... I mean, as long as like I get your information in South Carolina, I can go to Tennessee. Right, because they didn't have reciprocity at that point. Yeah, they don't have, they can, they work on a hub system where they can request, immediately they can request like the data, but they can't get the photo for like 48 hours or 72 hours or something.

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And it's like, okay, if he gives me the ID, I'm good. If there's a question, they just don't give you the idea. They're like, I don't know. Something's not right. But it wasn't not right because I would walk in with the real social, the real person to do it, the real this, the real that. I registered to vote. I got this. I got that. The register to vote. I mean, that's one of the steps.

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You got to do that. It's good because these are all real documents. So you're sitting there like, I'm ready to argue. If you have a problem, I'm ready to argue because I know everything's good. So how did you get 27 passports? Through the State Department. They don't ask for, everybody always says- Is this pre 9-11 or after? Oh no, this is all after. Yeah, this is after. I remember that now.

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Everybody always says, oh, they ask for your fingerprints. No, they don't. As a matter of fact, I just got my passport a year ago to go to Amsterdam to do a show called Inside the Mind of a Con Artist. Okay. I got my passport then. No fingerprints. I did get stopped on the way back in.

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Yeah, these guys had never had passports. I was getting homeless people. So I'd go and I... Not bad. Not bad. I like where your head's at. Not bad.

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that outside of the box thinking i i actually had i made a a statistical survey form and it looked so good and it was a couple pages it was like 17 questions and i would go out to where the homeless people were i made a salvation badge and i walk out there and i'd say hey can i talk to you real quick and they'd get they'd look at me like they'd go oh yeah what's up i go listen i work for the salvation army we're trying to figure out where we're gonna put our next uh indigent uh um

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our next homeless shelter say you like crackers i got some crackers 20 bucks you know i'm not 20 dollars or mad dog what do you want 20 dollars and then would go and borrow like a million million point five in their name yeah so you know maybe not fair trade but still they were happy i had nobody said i well they couldn't have done it themselves no no there you go

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And so I would just say, hey, by the way, 20 bucks. We're trying to figure out, you know, where to put our next homeless facility. Just a survey. And they were like, yeah, what's up, man? I say, OK, just quick, real quick. I give them, you know, here, let's do this. Name, date of birth, social security number. Mother's maiden name, you know, where you live or last known address.

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Like what they said, what kind of procedures could be put in place that could stop someone from, from, or the bank from going forward with the loan? I went, well, the procedures are already in place. They just don't follow them. That's exactly right. And they went, they go like, what I said, well,

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Where did you live? Where did you live? You ever been a member of the military? Do you get social security disability? Have you ever had a U.S. passport? Have you had any identifications? And if so, in which states? Yeah, so basically you're just fishing in person. What high school did you go to? Because you can get their high school transcripts. So I get their information.

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I then order all their information, get it all in. And then I know he's had an ID here and here or a driver's license here and here. I just go two states over and I walk right in and say, listen, I just moved. I lost my license in the move. I don't know what you need. And then you start, I know what you need.

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I know, but I identify as a black man.

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with a good pair of shoes so um yeah so i would get they would just go in and they give me the id then you turn around you immediately go and fill out for your i would immediately fill out for my um you know my passport go get the passport photos walk into the uh u.s post office where they have a passport control you walk in there you sit down you do your little boom boom boom they go okay great they sign off they give you your stuff they take your

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birth certificate, they mail it back ten days later. Used to be if you paid extra within about six weeks, you got it. Now it's like three months before you get it. Right. But yeah, I would get them and I just get them. And I've been in and out on the run. I went to Greece, Croatia, Bermuda, Mexico, Jamaica, Italy. I just already said Greece.

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Yeah. Stingray? What? Oh, yeah, yeah. The stingray. Yeah, that's right.

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No, no. Wait. But, okay. But you were saying... So, those were the constraints on me. Like, I was ready to work at McDonald's, by the way. I was okay with that. So, did you have... I didn't. Did you have trouble getting a job? I got lucky. And a buddy of mine... owned a gym and hired me in the halfway house.

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And then by the time I got out of the gym, I was being asked to go on different people's podcasts and I'd written a book. So I had published the book. I'd written like seven books. So I started publishing books. Self-published or you had a publisher? Well, so one of them was One of them was published by a publishing company.

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But I mean, I got like a, like a, you know, of course I was in prison, you know, like a $3,500 advance, barely make any money on the thing. Um, and I got made more money publishing on Amazon self-publishing than I've ever, oh, way more, way more than I ever made on that. Um, But I also had optioned the film rights to some guys. I got them in Rolling Stone magazine, optioned film rights. Nice.

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almost not every time but a good majority of the time when i would actually go because a lot of times i'd go into the bank the reason i go in the bank and show my face is because if i call on the phone you're already thinking i don't know this person but if i walk in i give you my id and i'm standing in front of you already don't think fraud You're done at that point.

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Got out, optioned a couple more film rights. So I got out. So I had a little bit there coming in, and I started painting. You saw my painting.

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That's where you need to go. So I moved into somebody's spare room. But I wasn't, like I had all these job offers and every time I called my probation officer, it was no, no, no, no. And so, yeah, I would have been back into real estate very quickly or finance or something, but I'm restricted from doing that. For how long? Five years. Five years.

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And I can't get off probation early because I owe $6 million. Yeah, you're not going to get off that early. Right. Unless you violate, then they might kill it.

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Yeah, at that point, they're like, this guy's good. He came in the bank. He's sitting here. So they would pull my credit right then. I apply right then. They pull my credit. I've got the W-2s. I've got my pay stubs. I've got everything I want. Oh, your bank statements. Yeah, I've got my bank statements. Are these enough? Yeah, yeah, I've got those.

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So, well, it's not a good question because like I've had such a good interview, you know, and it's been fun and we've been laughing and, and then we get sober. Right. And the problem is, is emotionally when I start to talk about it or think about it, I tear up. Like when you're like, when you're like, you know, I cried like that. Listen, cried like a small child at my sentence.

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And when I think about the person I was and the person I am, Although I laugh and I love that time in my life and I love doing those things. But I think about like when you went to jail. Right. The one thing I know when the one thing you never once laid in bed and thought about was, God, I miss that nice car. God, I miss that. You don't think that shit at all.

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Huh. huh is not what you want to hear sit in the bay my first thought is how close did i park exactly like they're typing they stop and it's like huh yeah or yeah even worse when they grab your i've had them take the id and go hold on a second and stand up it's like oh my god you know you have to get that id back i'll need that back he just walked away with my fake id

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All you thought about was I miss Michelle. I miss my fucking kids. I miss my cat. I miss like that's it. That's it. Oh, I ever gave a shit. Don't worry about that material stuff at all. Absolutely. And that's exactly what happened was I went to prison. angry, pissed off, furious, didn't deserve this much time, these piece of garbage, say this. And I was reasonable.

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I was like, yeah, okay, I broke the law, but I didn't deserve this much time. And even to this day, I'm like 26 years, come on. It's a lot of time. It's a lot of time, but it's like, you don't get to choose. So you're putting yourself at their mercy the moment you do that. And I think that I started thinking that way. met a buddy of mine. He got like 30, he actually got 40 years.

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And, you know, we started talking. And one of the things he had told me one time was, you know, you can't go to prison and continue to think in the same manner that led you to prison and leave prison and not expect to come back. Right. And I was, you know, and that's more than just, oh, no, no, but I'm not going to commit crime. He's like, it's not the crime. It was your thought process.

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So, and you'll eventually commit a crime, you know, if you keep thinking like that. So what happened is, you know, went to prison, wrote a memoir, my memoir. Okay. And when I was writing that memoir, I ended up writing the first draft, which was horrible. I had to rewrite it, read several books about how to write.

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And ended up writing this little tiny book, and I wish I could remember it. And the woman was like, look, you need to look into your life. One of the things you need to do is look in your life and figure out what the key moments were that helped create the person that you are today so that it will explain to the reader – it will give the reader reasons what helped craft you. And I used to hate –

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to think about, to complain about my childhood or anything. You know, I don't want to say that because you meet, I mean, you meet guys that were like chained to fucking, they were locked up in the basement or their parents beat them almost to death or they, you know, horrible things. That it was like, I didn't have that.

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You know, my dad's an alcoholic, you know, and it's like, what am I crying about? Daddy didn't love me enough. Like, But the truth is, I rewrote that book. And as I wrote that book and really started focusing on that, I started realizing that there were definite things that led me to be the person that committed those crimes.

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And then the other thing I focused, started realizing was like, what a selfish, narcissistic prick I am. And I find it today.

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Like guys are like, well, if you, if you know that about yourself, you can, you, you know, at least you can help change that. I'm like, I try. I mean, I like being an asshole sometimes. I agree. I, I, and that's the worst part is, is like, you're trying to change someone who just loves himself. That's hard. Yeah.

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But, but one of the things is like, I, what really started bothering me was I took RDAP. Did it do you any good? It did after for me. I think it did great for me. Although I had learned most of these lessons by the time I got in it. Right. But I really felt like it helped me really kind of figure out what my issues were. And I remember...

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I didn't notice it so much, but everybody that talked to me on the phone, I talked to my ex-wife and five minutes in, she'd be like, okay, what's going on? Yep. And I go, what? She'd go, we've been talking for five minutes. You know my kids' names. You're asking how Nick is. You're not just focusing on you. Yeah. You haven't fucking said, you haven't told me what's going on with you.

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And I've asked twice and I'm like, I mean, nothing.

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Because the truth is, when I have most conversations, I am typically barely listening. And most of the time, I'm really just waiting for an opportunity so that I can turn the conversations that I can talk about me. And that is such a selfish, fucked up thing. And when I see myself telling myself at the beginning of a conversation, don't do it, don't do it, don't do it.

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And then 20 minutes later, I realize we've been talking about me for 10 minutes. And I think...

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She's doing this with the ID. Oh, that's, that's, am I, why am I sweating? So, and then, you know, they, but they would sit down and they'd go, huh? Sometimes they, sometimes they pull up your credit, but they go, huh? And I go, you know, it's everything in me not to go, what? You know? And I go, what, what's up?

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Nothing? Yeah, I was—

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And you know what, what's funny too, because I've anybody watching this as Washington, like I've probably said this a thousand times is that you know had millions all the money i needed in the world before prison i'm on i'm on uh uh xan i'm not well yeah i've got a prescription for xanax um paxil uh i'm miserable i'm unhappy i've got i got a girlfriend and a girl my girlfriend's got a girlfriend

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I've got tons of money. I got great vehicles. I'm traveling nonstop. I'm living great. I'm not concerned about being on the run. And even prior to that, when I wasn't on the run, I was just committing crime. I was just miserable, unhappy. And then I get out of prison with nothing. And I used to love to tell people that I wanted, they were like, what are you gonna do when you get out?

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I'm like, I'm working at McDonald's. And because, and they were like, why? I was like, because I wanna work at McDonald's. I wanna live in someone's spare room. I wanna start at the bottom because I was so much happier in prison. And so much happier getting out of prison than I ever was prior to that, having everything I ever fucking wanted.

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Because to me, it's like, I'm so like, you know, it is, it's the whole, I hate the term I'm blessed, you know, but I am blessed. I'm thrilled. I'm happy. I have people around me that like me because they want to be around me.

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Not because I'm going to make them 300,000 next, next month, or they're getting 50,000 here or a hundred thousand here, or they're just hanging out with me to fucking hang out with me. Yeah.

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yeah like like you know because when you get arrested you find out that those friends ain't oh no no the more money i made for people the the quicker they hung up the phone if they picked it up at all the people that i never made any money for showed up and came to see me would come visit me would send me would look stuff up for me send me books would it was such a reality fucking check for me to go to go to prison you know with me and i'm i'm really no different on that it's um

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And they'd say, well, it says that your, it says your social security number was issued within the last year. And I go, really? Yeah, then I'm going, huh? Can I get my ID? No. And I go, really? And they go, yeah. And you know, your credit cards are only... They're all about a year old. And I go, right, right. And then I go, what does it say my date of birth is? Knowing...

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Yeah. I, you know, it's funny, the, uh, the support group thing, because like, I used to, like, I can't mess up. Like, like I, it's like, if you had a support group, I think it would almost be detrimental to me because I'm like, I'm like, I had nothing. I can't, you know what I'm saying? I cannot screw up. I cannot. And listen, it was so bad. I think, I think I told both of you this the other day.

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was somebody, I was at work and somebody said, like I was saving every penny I had. Somebody goes, hey, Matt, I'm going to, where are they going? Whatever, a sandwich shop. We're going to a sandwich shop. You want me to get you something? And I went, no, I'm good. I got a bag of lunch from the halfway house. Okay, right, right, right. Peanut butter and jelly or whatever it was, bologna.

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And I said, no, I got a bag of lunch. And his name was Leanne. And Leanne goes, she said, Matt, she goes, come on, you eat that every day. She goes... Get a sandwich from Jimmy John's. Get a sandwich from Jimmy John's. And I went, no, no. I said, I'm good. She goes, come on. And I went, she was, I said, honestly, I don't have any money. I don't have money to do that.

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And she looked at me and she goes, it's fine. I'll get it for you. And I went, okay, listen, Leanne, you're not understanding. Let me be perfectly clear. She was there. My boss is there.

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Another employee is there.

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And I said, if out of the goodness of your heart, you want to buy me a sandwich, I said, yes. I said, that's fine. I'll take it. I said, but if you're expecting some kind of reciprocation from me, I said, like two days from now, I'll give you the money back. Or next week, I'm going to buy you a sandwich. I said, I am not in a position to buy you a sandwich.

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I will not be in a position to buy you a sandwich for years, possibly, at the rate I'm going. At the rate I'm going. I said, so if you want to give me a sandwich, that's great. I will take it. If not, I have a bag of lunch. Thank you. And she looked at me and she went. I looked around at everybody and she goes, I'm going to get you a sandwich.

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And I was like, I was just that, I was that like, like I bought $300 worth of clothes from Walmart in the halfway house.

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But it's just like the materialistic stuff. just dropped down to nothing for me. Like I don't want it. Everything I buy is from Ross or Marshalls or that's it. Like I'm not, I couldn't, I don't think I physically could, would be able to pay like 150 bucks for a shirt now. And back then I was paying three, 400 bucks for blue jeans. It's like blue jeans. They sell them at Walmart for $29.

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Are you serious? What was your brand back then you're paying $300 for? Oh, they were Diesel. Diesel, Diesel. I don't even know if they're still out. I know nothing about clothes now. I barely knew it then, but the girl I was with, she's like, oh, these are Diesel. You have to get Diesel.

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that it's going to say the right thing because I'm the one that inputted it. When I applied for these credit cards, it populated it. It automatically created a credit profile. So they would go, yeah, it says you were born in 1970. I'm born in 69, but I always use July 7th, 1970. So all I have to remember is sevens.

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They're expensive. They're expensive. They're expensive. Strippers, I mean. Yeah, they're expensive. Yeah, the jeans are expensive, too. Yeah.

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So now you're doing the channel and you're speaking gigs.

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But I speak across the planet. And we'll put the link in the description. I appreciate that.

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I'm doing all right. It's funny if you just try and just kind of, it sounds so hokey, I hate to even say it, you just try and do the right thing. It's like good things start to kind of happen to you. It does.

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Well, thank you for coming on. Thank you for driving. Thank you. Okay. And... What am I? What? We're good? Okay. Sorry. Hey. If you like the video, do me a favor. Hit the subscribe button. Hit the bell so you get notified of videos like this. Share the video. And please share the video because people leave comments like, I don't understand why your channel doesn't have more subscribers.

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And I don't understand why you don't have more viewers. And it is specifically because you did not share the videos to your friend and family. That's why I don't have more subscribers. It's because of you. Not because I'm not amazing. That's right. You are outstanding. I watched a video of mine the other day and I thought, damn. You subscribed to your own video. You're good. You should be huge.

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What's happening? So leave me a comment in the comment section. I try and respond to most of the comments. And also I wrote a whole bunch of true crime books. When I was locked up, Colby's going to play a bunch of trailers that I made. I made the trailers myself. So if you say, hey, who did your trailers? I did them. And all the links to my books are in the description box.

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They'd go, yeah, it says 1970. I'd go, huh. And they'd go, this is your social security card number. And I'd go, yeah. They'd go, have you always used this? And I would go... yeah, it's all my W-2s. And they would say, then they have already have two. So they look and they go, yeah, yeah. And then I go, yeah, you know what? I said, hold on a second.

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And we're going to leave a link to Brett's channel. It's the Brett Johnson Show. It's on YouTube. We're going to leave a link on that. And I appreciate you guys watching. See you.

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I always have one that was like five or six years old. Pull it out and I'd go, yeah, same thing. And sometimes I'd even have 1040s, like the actual tax return. I go, I got my tax return from like 10 years ago. Pull that out and they'd go, All right.

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No, they probably would have said, let me get back with you. Let me check this. But one, I'm in person. But two, they're also thinking, I want this to go through because I make a fee. Like it definitely works on brokers, mortgage brokers. I want it to go through. He's given me a reasonable explanation. It's an issue. I have this stuff. Maybe somebody else will catch it. Well, it just got through.

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If you saw anything you like, links to all the books are in the description box.

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You were the first line of defense. It just got through you. The next guy, you're giving him a package of all the stuff. The likelihood that he's even going to recognize that little – that it said fraud in this one part – is very unlikely, especially when you just gave him a full package, W-2s, pay stubs. You gave him, I put money down. There's bank statements. There's an appraisal order.

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Okay. Would also like payday loans and where they cash advances?

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Everybody thinks I'm legit. You've got a driver's license. All he had to do was call Social Security. Or go on, it's uscitizen.gov, I think. Take the name and the number and the date of birth and put it in. It would have said it doesn't match. There's all these little things you could have done, but you saw a fee. I gave you a semi-reasonable explanation.

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If you had any training at all, you would have known synthetic identity. You would have known, no. Yeah. Let me check. It's worth a call.

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They didn't care. He's going to make $2,500 or $3,500 for a broker fee. Maybe he gets 60% of that. He works at a bank. Maybe he gets less than that. What does it matter? He still has a, he still has a close so many loans. If it's a broker, he's getting 50, 60% of a three, $4,000 fee. He wants this to go through. Sure. So, but yeah, so like there's all these systems that are in place.

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They just don't, they don't follow them. They don't.

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He once conned Bank of America out of $250,000 using nothing but a fake ID and his charm. He is the most interesting man in the world.

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I don't typically commit crime, but when I do, it's bank fraud. Stay greedy, my friends.

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I mean, this was 2000 and up to 2000, 2000, late 2006. OK, but I mean, that same system, same system. Exactly.

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I was easier at that point. I was going to say, listen, now you can go online and just like. I used to have to make my W-2s and PAs. I used to have to know some math. Now you don't have to know anything. It's like, how much do you make an hour? I don't know. Was it $30? How much does that come to? Oh, 40 hours a week. It'll populate everything for you.

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I would think some kind of a benefit to them. Like if you were going to make money on reporting that fraud and if it was prosecuted or even catching it, maybe they would. But there's no benefit for him to catch that fraud, that broker to catch that fraud, or even let's say the employees that knew what was going on in those companies that clearly see it, that they know what's going on.

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For them to say something isn't beneficial to them. They lose their life or they lose their job. Most likely there's an investigation. It costs them tons of money to go meet with the FBI. They lose days at work. They lose all these things. They get labeled as a snitch or the person that brought this company down. The whistleblower laws are bullshit. Like they don't almost nobody.

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Yeah, they're always screwed over. So if you actually utilize the whistleblower laws that are already on the books and gave people 10 percent and gave them this much money and and gave them. incentive to turn to to actually follow the laws that are already there, then I would think that people would start. Then I'd be looking for fraud. Well, sure. I want to find some fraud. It's quick.

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I get a check quicker for returning the fraud than I do with this loan. Probably loan might not even go through, but I know I know that's fraud.

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Would it be false? I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Well, in that case, I don't know what else what that other than that could be. There's some stuff that I think it's just education. There's just no education. Some of these people just don't know.

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What's even worse is when a little thing goes wrong here, little tiny things, and you get past them, then I got to the point where I would walk in the bank, I'm ready to argue. They're like, well, we're going to call the manager. Call them. You've got $80,000 of my money in this bank. And they're like, damn. Yeah, I'd be pretty upset about that, too.

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And you're saying this, and you're like, I don't know who you need to call. And they're like, oh, wow, Jesus. Just cut this guy a check. Yeah, let's waive that policy. He's like, all right, just get out of here. Because I'm also thinking to myself, like,

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in my case like if the cops show up like i i was so confident about it like i have a real id right i have a real like i don't the cops not going to show up say we're going to run your id run it yeah the dmv five miles away issued it that's my pictures coming up so if that's the case But some of these guys are using fake IDs and fake this and fake that.

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But if they still were to walk in, you get so good at knowing what their bank's procedures are. You know them better than... Like I would know if I walked in and said, hey, if I asked for over $3,500... then on a new account that had been issued within the last six months, I knew they had to call another branch to talk to somebody to get clearance, even though I had 100 and 200,000 in the bank.

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And I would go in and I'd say, so I knew, I either walk in and I asked for, you know, $3,100 or I might as well ask for 9,800.

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one of them you know i'm saying like go bigger just exactly so it's like yeah 3100 why because i got six more banks to do today you know or i say i got three banks to do today 9500 you know i'll wait in 10 15 minutes yeah oh you're gonna make your call yeah you're gonna want my id you're gonna want my credit card here's my social security number also you're gonna want to know my home address it's such and such you know like i knew what the questions were coming before they know all right so so

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So this company could go out and say, hey, your company is – were they actually soliciting business? Or were people going to them and saying, hey, I have a company. I need to borrow PPP money. Can you help facilitate that?

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Yeah, the bar is definitely at a different level.

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i was gonna say and if i don't know it i'm more than happy to say i never did that i don't know i don't because i have people ask me you know hey will you talk about you know stock fraud will you talk about pump and dumps we talk about like i i don't know anything about it i can google it yeah like i mean i watched i watched wolf of wall street i understand the basic concept i was in jail with some guys we'll get jordan if you want to talk about that yeah but i couldn't you know um

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It's so funny too. Cause you could always tell the guys that know it. Cause suddenly they're talking about, well, you gotta, well, you know, the first thing you gotta do is you gotta file for a such and such and this and that you gotta fill this out. You gotta fill that. You gotta go to the light.

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Yeah. And it's like, okay, I have no clue what's happening. So I don't talk about it. Cause the thing is, you know, like, you know, a fisherman knows a fisherman, you know? So if somebody's, you know, look, it's just, it's like with the cops for a cop to go undercover and, People think, oh, well, they go under. Listen, that's difficult. It's dangerous. Criminals talk in a certain way.

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And drug addicts and drug dealers know they have a certain. And they will know very quickly, like, oh, man, you don't know what you're talking about.

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And I go, you know, it's everything in me not to go, what? He realizes, wait a second.

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Yeah. It's so funny, too. I was going to say, I know multiple guys that literally, like, they would come in. So, you know, you'd have a drug dealer or something introduce another guy, and they'd start talking for five minutes, and the guy would say, yeah, he's a cop. And they'd just walk away. Like, they'd walk away. Like, how did he know? He's like, I don't know what I said. I don't know this.

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I don't know that. He doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. Yeah. Or even if you said the right things, you didn't say it correctly. Right. You know what I'm saying? You're saying, you know, I need social security numbers. It's like, OK, well, nobody's going to say social security numbers because you have to say it over and over. They're going to abbreviate.

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And what are the abbreviations for all of these different things? You know, just like if I talk to somebody in the business or as a mortgage broker, you know, somebody because nobody in the mortgage industry. says a mortgage loan application. They call them 1003s because that's the form. Hey, do you have a 1008? Do you have a 1003?

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They know the forms and it's easier to say and you're in the industry and you see it all the time and you hear it all the time.

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Right. So for you to go on and do that, because I've talked to guys before, because I wrote a story recently where, and I talked to an ATF agent who went undercover for a long, you know, for a long time. Right.

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uh multiple times and and he he had explained like like it it's he was you have to really be that person like he he's like like i literally would let my uh you know my beard grow i wouldn't shave i wouldn't shower for a day or two i'm wearing the same clothes over and over again he's like because he said you have a certain look what these guys in the gun community have you know and he said it's

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it's he's like and they say certain things and he said so i had to hang out with these guys to get that down he said even then he said it takes a while before you're comfortable enough he is because he's dealing in guns like it could go bad yeah um but uh but also he was we were talking about how a lot of times they have to introduce you slowly and then they have to get rid of the main guy and then kind of hand you off for you know your your credibility you know their your credibility so

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But it's the same thing on – Bozak was – it's the same thing when he was buying plastic and he was – he has all these things, how he had to buy this, how he had to do this, how he had to repackage this, how he had to put – because they would – You know, he'd bubble wrap this and he'd vacuum seal this and he'd stick in an invoice.

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He's like, you know, he's like, you learn this stuff after getting caught so many times.

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and it's a learning process over and over and and you know how how you got to that oh yeah like i know how do i know well because one time this happened but if it's an undercover and they say how'd you figure that out he better have a story you know uh well the ci told me this is how it has to be done exactly my guy told me yeah he didn't walk me through everything but he told me um

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I got, I just, what was the guy, what did you call him? The kingpin? Dark web kingpin. Who was this? This guy, listen to this. Actually, I've had a couple of these guys. Real guy or not? No, no, real guys. Real guys. Listen, I'm going to mention the ATM guy. So listen, I have an ATM guy that contacted me. So he had from a Bitcoin machine. I didn't even know they had Bitcoin.

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They were cash machines, right?

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No, no, he didn't do that. He worked for Loomis. He worked for Loomis. So he's going and checking the ATMs. He checks the ATMs. He said, well, there was a problem with the Bitcoin machines. He said they never knew. Like the other machines, they would say, look, You have to go refill the machine with, you know, here, here's a, it's, you know, 300,000 or 200,000 and you put the package.

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He said, then you pull whatever the deposits were. He's, but they know it's out of money. Sure. They know how much he's like, the Bitcoin wasn't like that. The Bitcoins, cause they're like privately owned. He said, they go in and they're like, Hey, check that machine. See if there's anything in it. He's like, what do you mean? See if there's anything in it.

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He's like, you'd go and I'd come back and I'd be like, yeah, there was nothing in it. Or I'd go and I'd say, yeah, there was like $20,000, you know? And he said, so at one point I realized like they, like the company knows, but the, my company doesn't know. So one day I went and I swung by to check it and he said, I took 10 grand. Yeah, it's stuck in my pocket. He's like, there's a camera.

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It's over there. He said, but it can't see. I just looked in the machine. I step in my pocket. I close it, and I leave. It's like a week later, they call him in the office. Can you come in here? And he's like, yeah, what's up? They're like, so we don't really, you know, we feel like something happened. There's an issue. There's some money.

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I think he said he didn't even really know how much money was. They didn't never really said how much money was even missing. He's like, I don't even know that they knew how much money was missing. But anyway, they basically said, look, like you, you know, you basically, you can keep showing up.

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You can keep coming to work, you know, but eventually we're going to figure out something or you can just like, and he said, basically, I felt like they were saying, they're gonna figure out a way to fire me. He said, or you can just leave. And he said, I was like, yeah, I'm just gonna leave. So he left. So for 10 grand, he just left. For 10 grand, right, which is nothing. But he never got caught.

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He sends me an email. He says, hey, you want to hear this story? He tells me basically the story. And I was like, sure. So I talked to him on the phone. I go, okay, okay. And he goes, and I said, okay. I said, so what do you want to do? And he said, well, what do you think? It's a good story. I said, yeah, I think it's an interesting story. Do you want to come on the podcast and tell it?

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He goes, yeah, I should. All right. Nice.

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and so he he came on the podcast and yeah and i told him and i told even before that i said you know i said let me explain something i said i have a lot of guys this is what happens they'll come on the podcast and i said i said look i said i'm gonna tell you right now i said if it's a if it's a zoom interview um i said you're looking at getting between five and ten thousand views

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You know, if it's an exceptional interview, maybe 15 or 20, you know, if it's in person, I get about 40 percent more views. That's what I and that's just my, you know, calculation. Sure. Based on really very little. But I feel like I get probably right. Right. About 30, 40 percent more. Someone's in person based on. Yeah. Yeah.

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Periodically, you get somebody that just they're here and just nobody's interested. That's right. Right. But for the most part, I think it's about 30, 40% more. So I explained it to him. And I said, so here's the problem. I said, I've had guys come on. We do the podcast. They say some things that they weren't thinking at the time. Like they forget the cameras are there.

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I said, and then they end up, the podcast comes out. They then tell all their friends about the podcast. And then two days later, they call me up or they start texting me saying, hey, listen. I should have never said this about Jimmy. He's furious. Exactly. Or, hey, listen, that's going to cause me problems at my work. My boss said this. And I had one guy that went so far.

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And I came back and I was like, yeah, listen, bro. I said, like... Like I spent money to have, you know, a guy come here and do this. And so, you know, come and I was like, that's a couple hundred bucks. You know, I have, you know, I have like, I have an agreement with someone. Like I can't be putting stuff up and taking it down. We had the conversation.

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And the only reason any of these people know about your, like it didn't come up on their feed. You called these people because you're nobody. Like your name's John. Because you're nobody.

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To what? You did. And then you're upset because you're like, you know, Jimmy calls up and says, hey, you fucking used my name. You said that fucked up shit that we did. And nobody knows about it. So Jimmy's in trouble with his wife and so on. So now I might lose my job. And then so this one guy literally got worse and worse and worse. Right.

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Like within a week, he's calling me up saying, you know, oh, he's talking about his kids are getting picked on. He's going to lose his job. They pulled him aside. And you don't think of any of that. Yeah. And I sat there and I was like, and I knew it was all bullshit. Like I'm like, uh-huh. Uh-huh. Okay. Right. Right. Okay. All right. Yeah. I said, look, I'm not. Let me talk to Colby.

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Let me see if I get it taken down. I called Colby. I said, yeah, this is what the guy is saying. Colby is like, you know, look, yeah, we'll take it down. We'll take it down. So I call him back. I say, Colby said no. No, he's a dick. Oh, shit. He's a dick. I blame everything on Colby. I'm a nice person. I want to help. He said no. I want to help you. He's unreasonable.

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I don't know what this problem is. He doesn't care about you like I do. He says the show's going viral. Everyone likes it.

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He said you're a criminal.

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So, yeah. So, what happened with the Bitcoin guy? To the Bitcoin guy? Yeah. I tell him this whole thing. I tell him, like, look, don't call me up later because of anything that you've said. He's like, that's fine. They chose not to prosecute me. They're not going to prosecute me. Yeah, they're not. They've already this. He said, plus, he said, it's a small town.

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I said, look, keep in mind, don't be calling all your buddies, telling them. Fucking idiot. I said, no. So, I told him, don't do that. And he said, well, do you think I'll get charged? I said, no. I don't think you might. No, he's, I don't, I still don't think he's going to, but he did get upset.

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Yeah. Oh, listen, it gets worse. And there's tons of people going. And then, of course, they're calling him names and stuff. And so, you know, and they're calling him names. And, you know, look. These are not professional speakers that you're talking to. So they're people are mean.

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know like they're going on and on wearing sunglasses he was wearing sunglasses and it was done um but but so we he goes on and on and and i'm you know i come back first he says look bro can you do me a favor oh this was the worst somebody used like a spoof app someone tracked down his phone number and spoofed him saying they were from loomis's home office And texted him.

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And he's like, yeah, they texted me. I said, listen, Loomis is not going to text you. He's like, well, it says it's from Loomis. It says Loomis, you know, whatever, home office. And I said, bro, I said, call him back. Call him back. Tell him to email you. I said, I guarantee you he's not going to have a Loomis email. And he goes, okay. So he calls back and he goes, oh, it's like a Google number.

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It's like a Google. You know, I was like, okay, bro. He's like, yeah, I knew it was bullshit. I said, yeah, he did. So then it goes on. Then he comes back and he says, can you please blur my face on the thumbnail? No problem. I blur it. Colby, will you?

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Yeah, yeah. Then Colby, then another week goes by. So you're much more charitable than I would be. Oh, no. Typically, I would be like, like if he started saying, you got to take it down, I'd be like, no, I'm not taking it down. You agreed to come on. Right. Like you knew this. And we had a conversation.

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Right. All right? Well, plus, for them, it's— They make money on it. They're just brokers, right? That's exactly right.

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And so he, so anyway, then he comes back and he asks, can you blur my whole face out through the whole video? Oh, wow. You can do that. Colby did it. Was it hard or was it a pain? It takes like 10 minutes. So you went that extra step of blurring him out there? Blurred his face out. But then again, he did like put his name on the thing. You can't do both. You can't blur. Can you?

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Right. And people don't understand. You could if he took the video down, but he's not going to take the video down. Because once it's posted, if you take it down, you're reposting the video. It starts all over. And then I have to listen to a thousand people scream, this was on last week, motherfucker.

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So, you know, I told him and he's OK with it. He's like, look, I'm OK with it. You blurred me out. You did this. You did that. I'm fine. I'm good with it. I appreciate it. I'm not trying to tell you how to run your channel. That's fine. Well, so that's one guy that calls me. Second guy that calls me was put a little more forethought into it. And this was this guy's name was Colby, too.

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This Colby tells me. Look, some guys in the comment section are like, you can't tell a story. The truth is, he told a fucking phenomenal story. You would love it. He's selling stuff on the dark web, right? He used Torah, whatever. He goes on a forum. He becomes a vendor. He's selling drugs on counterfeit drugs. So...

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he's in any and the thing is now people are bashing him because it was you know i don't want to say you know it's it was i can say can i say it the active ingredient fentanyl yeah right okay let's see i'm worried about youtube trust me we're constantly battling youtube we say stuff so i told him don't say it oh i said like you want to say it once or twice that's fine but then stop saying it just say and he goes no i'll just say the active ingredient and i said okay so

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he did say it like once or twice and then said the active ingredient then everybody's hammering him like oh this guy he doesn't want he knows what he's selling poison he doesn't want it's like i asked him but my my comment section it's it's like it's a sewer it's they're horrible they are vicious to people they hate them so were they mad that he was that he was selling drugs or just fake drugs

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If you're selling anything with that product in it, people... And that's a problem. That is a problem. Well, people feel like you're selling... Like you're trying to kill people. To him, it's like... One guy's like, you know, he's killing people. Listen... this is us government. If they could pin a murder on him or even, you know, they would like, there's no, and listen, he sent me his PSR.

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Like I read his PSR. Like the government never says anything about there being any deaths related to in any way.

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Right. Absolutely. So we, we have this long conversation. He and I have this conversation one about prison afterwards. We talked about prison and what to do, what not to do. Um, I thought he does laugh a lot. Like he's very jovial guy. Right. Which is great. Right. I'd rather talk to that guy. Like people make fun of that.

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You know, if he's always laughing and joking about what he did, like, come on, he's just a fucking happy person.

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Right. I'm not happy that I had to do all that time in prison.

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People always forget about that.

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You're not happy about that shit. It's like, where am I? I was constantly seeing stuff going, what did I do to myself? What did I do? So, yeah, so anyway, that guy, that video is actually doing great. It's got like, what, over 30,000?

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oh that's nice yeah since in two days so in just over two days over 30 000 years right on a on a on a stream yard but that we did it like a month or so ago and then after like just as we did it he called he got like he he realizes wait a second i haven't been sentenced yet And so I'm sitting there talking to him. Like, we were still on the thing. I turned off the recording.

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Or did you hear that conversation? Or had I shut off the recording?

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He asked me. Yeah, I did shut it. Because I remember he goes, are you recording? I said, no, I shut it off. He goes, yeah, listen, the more I think about this. He goes, can you hold this for a little bit? And I was like... And keep in mind, too, as he's telling the story, like, I don't hear the whole two-hour story. Like, I heard some pieces of it. Sounds good. He sent me some documents.

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I read them. It looks legit. Let's go. Like, I'm not, you know... I'm not Woodward and Bernstein here. I mean, this is a fucking YouTube show. So I was like, yeah, let's do it. So as he's talking, I start to realize like he was raided. They arrested him. He got out. He this, he that. And I'm like, okay, so when are you? So what did you get? He's like, oh, I haven't been sentenced yet.

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I'm thinking. And here you are talking about this shit. And we kept talking because I thought.

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something something he's gonna say something something's gonna happen i was like so you haven't been sent no no my lawyer's saying i'm gonna get this much time blah blah blah and i was like okay when is your ass out if i hear this yeah when are you getting sentenced and then so once we shut it off he starts thinking about it he goes yeah listen i'm thinking about this uh matt i'm i'm uh maybe yeah can you hold this now that i think about it and i was like he was because

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I would really hate to be being sentenced and they start playing this. And I was like, yeah, that might be an issue. That might be. But he ended up, so it was so funny as he ended up contacting me, whatever, what, a week ago? Like a week ago. So it had been like two, almost three weeks. And he contacted me and said, hey, I was sentenced. And he said, no, you got five years.

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He got the minimum mandatory minimum. Like, like keep in mind, they couldn't, it's through the internet. So they had ordered some stuff from him, tracked it back and rated it as off.

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Right. So what he, he didn't think it was going to be as easy as it was. They never do. But he had a, you know, but then again, think about it. He wants to be sentenced because he, he had a much longer run than they knew. Get it over with. Yeah. Like, like he's realizing you guys got me for these packages. Like I need to plead guilty to this. Exactly.

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You know, because if they really look into it, like what if they end up finding out this is the run, you know, it was just right now it's just this and you can minimize it and you don't have the stuff. And, and, So he played guilty, got five years, and then we talked about him going in. And he's a big guy, shaved head, beard. He'll be fine. Chubby. He looks very soft.

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So I was like, listen, do yourself a favor. Don't go into – you're probably going to go into low. Don't go in and say, like – like i don't want to if somebody says what are you here for don't say my lawyer said not to talk about it yeah don't do that don't do that don't say computer crime yeah that's a mistake i know that for a fact that's a mistake Don't say that.

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Don't tell them a whole bunch of information, but do tell them exactly. This is what I'm here for. I said, so that's it. And yeah, he's a don't play Billy. Badass. Yeah. Yeah. Don't. Yeah. Don't borrow money. Don't gamble.

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he oh my god there was a guy listen let me tell you right now I tell you this I don't know if you had one of these guys we would have some guy show up I think I told you this we'd have like a white guy would show up a soft looking white guy would show up he's 50 something years old, soft looking, scared. Comes in, they come in around just after like, or just before count, right?

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So they come in and then they get their cell. They're still wearing their slacks and a white big torn up t-shirt. And they're looking, you know, so he's got flip flops on and he's walking around. So they would come in and then everybody just kind of ignores him. And then they go to chow. They come back. They lay in their bed and cry.

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Then the next morning, pretty much regardless of what crime you've committed, that's typically the first night in prison. You just lay there like, I slept like a baby. Not really. You were sniffling a little bit. And then they then or sometimes that night, usually that night when they come back and they lock everybody down, they start to work their way into the TV room. Right.

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Or the next morning they would walk in the the the white TV. Right. And then this car room. Yeah. They come and they sit down and we had a guy. They called him Kenny King.

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and uh um what's so funny is like his initials were like kkk they were like yeah they were so it was like kenny king so you're like kenny kevin king um and so kenny would go uh the guy would come in and sit down we'd be watching the morning news waiting for waiting to leave um and all of a sudden kenny would go

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I got caught, like, mid-act. It was actually a Buccaneers cheerleader. I mean, when am I going to get a chance to hit a Buccaneers cheerleader? Buccaneers cheerleader. You got to. I mean, to me, that's like a, you get a pass. I mean, remember, stranger danger. You know, I feel like that book will lose me a lot of people. People will read that and be like, you've got some issues.

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And listen, I knew it so well when a guy would walk in and sit down, I'd get up and leave. Because I thought, I don't want to be here for this humiliation. And it was always the same thing. He'd go, listen up, homeboy. And the guy would always...

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You understand? They go, oh, no, no, no, no, no. I'm here for Medicare. You understand? Look, you've got about three days to come up with something that shows something. And they go, oh, no, no, no, no. Okay, okay. And here's the worst thing. you knew if he was lying because he wouldn't even come back. Like if he really was there for Medicare fraud or for selling drugs or something,

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Three, four, five days later, he's got something in the mail. He's walking around going, boom, that's what my charge is. There you go. You know, I got 10 years for guns. Most of the time they wouldn't come back. Right. But if they really, if they had nothing, then they just don't come back.

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I'm a nice guy. I want to be nice. I hear you. I'm not going to.

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It's society's fault. I get it. I got you. I hear you. It's a horrible thing, but there's no rules. I could kill you. What's so funny is Kenny would come to me and go, he'd go, Cox. And I'm like, And it's not like Kenny was even a big guy. Kenny was tiny. Kenny was like 5'5 or something. He was tiny. He weighed probably 140 pounds.

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And I'd look over and I'd go, fuck.

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because if he said drugs then they don't ask me right they kenny can talk to all the pedophiles said computer crime yeah and yeah yeah yeah fraud yeah i would love that i told you i must have told you that when i went up to the one guy no oh oh yeah i went up to one guy i go up to one guy and i said uh hey bro i said i heard you were here for fraud he's like um yeah yeah i'm here for uh credit card fraud i said what we are we charged i said that's what you were charged with he goes yeah charged with credit card fraud

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I went, hmm. What's the actual charge? That's the actual charge on your indictment? Credit card fraud? He goes, yeah, it's credit card fraud. And I went, hmm, okay. At this point, Kenny's... You did the bank thing. Yeah. So Kenny comes walking slowly, walking down the hall, and he's walking up slowly, and I went, so what did you do? And he goes, I was removing money out of credit cards.

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And I went... No, I get that it's credit card for all you do, but how are you doing it? Like, did you, were you in like a position, like at a bank where you were able to charge the credit cards or did you work for, did you work for the credit card company or you manufacturing credit cards? Like were you using an access device of some kind where you, and he goes,

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He goes, it's not a learning experience. And just then, Kenny walked up, and I go, he's a chomo. He's a chomo. And Kenny goes, I knew it. And I walk off. Kenny comes up. He goes, how did you know? I said, I've never met a fraudster in my life that didn't want to brag about how smart he was to let you know I'm super smart, and this is how I did it, and I figured it out.

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I said, plus, I said, there's no such thing as credit card fraud. you know, it's access device fraud. It's, it's bank fraud. It's financial institution. There's a dozen, you know, it's wire fraud, something. I said, there's no, there is no charge that. And I asked him three times. He said it over and over again. And I said, yeah, so no. And so then another, this happened all the time.

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I remember this other time, this guy was,

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this this is how good i was getting at it this is how good i was getting and i felt bad you know i don't want to put somebody in a position where you knew the thing is is you knew who the chomos were walking off the bus oh yeah and what's so funny too was how they would congregate you know like they would group and it was and not just that even if you had four guys that i knew all four you were lying you've actually convinced other people that it's not true that you four fucking guys hung out together

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you're always talking about how you hate joes but you guys are all hanging and you're all lying you said you're here for medicare fraud you said you're here for wire fraud you said you're here for pot you said you're here for this and you guys all hang out together and you talk about joes so this one guy one time i'm sitting there kenny king comes up and he goes he goes cock see that guy over there and i looked over and i was like oh yeah yeah and he goes says he's here for a uh

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Fuck, he said, some kind of scheme. I go, Ponzi scheme? He goes, and he goes, yeah, that's it, Ponzi scheme. And I went, okay. And he said, I want to go talk to him, see if he's a chill. And I go, no, he's a con man. And he goes, man, you just looked at him. Go talk to him. And I said, I'm going to talk to him. I'm going to tell you right now. I said, that's a con man.

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No, I was just thinking, I got caught by Washington Mutual multiple times. Okay. I mean, I got caught by numerous banks, and they were like, refinance the loan, get us our money back, or hey, pay us our money back. And they never called anybody. Even if they threatened to call, it was always like, well, if you don't do this, we'll call the FBI. But in the end...

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And you could fucking, the look, listen.

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Not a big guy. Checking out everybody walking by. His back is kind of towards the, you know, in the corner, kind of towards the... Just checking everybody out. Not being a jerk, but the look on his face was he was in a horrible environment. Analyzing everything. Analyzing everything and confident. Right. Not a big guy. Right. Guy's my height. But I looked at that dude and I was like, huh.

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Walked right up to him, said... Hey bro, I said, you here for some kind of a positive scheme, a fraud or something? I said, Kenny told me that you were, he's like, Yeah. Fifty seven million dollars. Largest problems in his scheme. And immediately went into it. OK. Reading off his resume. Did it for 15 years. Just immediately starts bragging about it. I thought, yeah, yeah.

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How much. And I was just like. damn like you're overboard like you're you're as bad like i thought i had it i thought i had you pegged but fuck that's me you know uh yeah good times good times what what's going on what are we at

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An hour and 18 minutes?

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That's not bad. Not bad at all. Not bad at all.

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Did you do a podcast? Did not do a recording.

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I'm just saying, I don't know how you're going to run your show, but you might.

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You understand he's going to put this probably in here?

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The fact that he's done something. Yeah. So first of all, I'd like to say that I read his book in prison. Same here. Not once, but over and over and over again. Multiple times. I can't say that I read it in its entirety.

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I probably read it in its entirety three or four times at least, but I read sections of, if you add up all the sections, I probably read that book a dozen times, like just to see how they condense things and how he, like, I really, really loved that book. And then I even read his second book. See, I didn't read the second one.

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you know, they didn't call the FBI.

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Second book was pretty good, too, although it mostly just talks about scams in general. The Art of the Steel. Art of the Steel.

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Oh, I didn't know that. I didn't even know that. But, you know, and I always so I had been on podcasts where I talked about Frank Abagnale and then guys were in the comments section were saying, no, no, he actually worked for because I was saying he he actually did like all of his time. Like in the first one, he basically does.

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Because they didn't, you know, at the time, even if, to be honest, even at the time, I thought that they don't want anybody, no matter what, they didn't want anybody, the FBI looking through their files. And at one point, I was actually had a guy with a bank called, it was Pinnacle Bank Corp. It was a small bank in Chicago. It actually went under. But the owner was a guy named Gary Bond.

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He gets turned down for parole several times and then he gets out on parole. And I said to the truth is people think, oh, he got arrested very quickly based on the movie. They let him out to work for the FBI. So the truth is he actually did all of his time, got out on parole and Then he talks about how there were issues. In the second book, he talks about how there were issues on parole.

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He kept getting fired. Okay. Yeah, the PO would show up and get him fired. Another time he worked for— Yeah, I remember reading about some of the issues that he had.

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Right, right. Like— The problem is – who knows if any of that's true anymore. And I liked the story. And so when Levine – I think it's Levine. I don't know. Whatever. When we talked – You know, he was talking about how all of these things there was always one thing that bothered me and it has always bothered me. And I kind of just shrugged it off like, OK, well, you don't know.

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You don't really know. Right. So and it was always the the toilet in the airplane. So when I escape, he gets in the toilet, he sneaks out through the toilet. And he somehow or another gets into the gear where the landing gear assembly is. And then he jumps out through the landing assembly and takes off. And I always remember thinking... Well, I would think it would be a closed system.

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That would be separate. Right. And I would think, well, maybe sometimes they have those panels that have been bolted on. I was like, but it's not like he had a, he didn't have like a wrench with him. Right. And I'm sitting there going, well, obviously, you know, it's the suspension of disbelief. Like I see it. I believe it.

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Right. He has the girl. He gets the FBI card. And actually, they call. And he says, hey, I'm working with the FBI as a CIO. I'm an FBI agent. Let me talk to my partner. And they actually let him go to the car to have a conversation. He jumps in the car and takes off. Right. Like, it's a whole thing. And granted, it's the 70s. Like, things were a lot more laxed.

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But even when I was watching that, it was... But he would throw these little tiny details in there where he said later in the newspaper article came out where they said that I had actually was a violent escape, that I'd harmed somebody, pulled a gun or done some things, he said, which was later disproven. And it was like, those are the little kinds of things that make the story seem more real.

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He's an amazing liar. He is. He absolutely is. But Levine, the guy that I interviewed, he was like, he and the other guy that had written the book about it, because Levine didn't write the book. He just did a podcast based on the book. He was saying, like, he didn't understand why a documentary hadn't been made, why they didn't jump on it. And he was saying it was like...

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And I was like, yeah, right?

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No, just Javier. So he was saying he believed the reason people had not jumped all over it was because it was like being told that there's no Santa Claus. People don't want to believe it. And admittedly, I had guys in the comment section before where I had talked on concrete, I talked on concrete about Abagnale and how he'd done all his time.

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And he did, because people were saying, oh, you're like Frank Abagnale. And I was like, okay, well, no, because Frank Abagnale didn't get his sentence reduced. He did all his time. In the movie, they say they let him out, but he really did all of his time, according to the book. And in fact, he did all this time because in general, he just had a bunch of little tiny bits.

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But but the point is, is that like I actually got my sentence cut for writing an ethics course for working with the FBI, for writing these these doing two different courses and being interviewed. So And then this guy said that there was a whole – there's a whole thing on – where he's talking in front of like the FBI, I think, and it's on YouTube.

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And he actually came down at one point. They caught us with a couple million dollars in fraud. They sold it to Household Bank. And they basically were like, look, just promise me if these loans come back on us, you'll help us get rid of them. And we're like, no problem, because I don't have two million to pay you. He actually came down a few weeks later and met with me and some of my brokers.

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And he's talking about working as an undercover with the FBI. And that is – I've never heard that before in my life. No. It's like he's getting more and more inventive. So the problem is – you listen to that guy, and it is. It's disappointing that he's taken – He's taken one or two small things that he did, and he's ballooned them into these massive stories.

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Now, I wouldn't blame him for what the movie did, for what Spielberg did. I wouldn't blame him because they're going to do whatever they want to do. Well, you know that now.

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Yeah. Yeah. That's a problem. Right. So really, he was just a low-level guy. He's been arrested for stealing a car. He's been – oh, and Javier actually talked about how he had kind of conflated two separate stories in the book where he takes the stewardesses on this – and that – listen, that scam in the book – That's a great scam. It is. I could see that working.

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That's why I sat there and I thought, wow, that would work. Based on what he was doing, that was a great way to maximize what he was doing. But the point is that Javier said that what really happened from their investigation was that Frank Abagnale at one point had worked at like a nursery.

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And everybody was saying, oh, we should all get – they were all kind of friends and said we should do something over the weekend. And he took them all to Puerto Rico. Wow.

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flew them to Puerto Rico, and they said, like a couple days before they were supposed to leave, or a day before they were supposed to leave or something, something went wrong, and he immediately was like, look, we gotta go, we gotta get on the plane, we gotta get back, I gotta get back, and he rushed everybody back there, and as soon as they got back there, he stole the station wagon.

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to the daycare or school, whatever it was, and took off and left. And they never saw him again. And they did a report saying, hey, this guy stole our fucking car. Right. So that is kind of and he also would go he dress up like a pilot. He would go to two universities And he would interview sorority girls or college girls to be stewardesses for Pan Am, let's say. I think it was Pan Am.

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They said he also would do physical exams. I read that bit. Yeah. Wow. Which none of that gets talked about. No, no, no. Nobody brings that up. Right. Yeah.

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So, yeah, there was a bunch of stories that I was like, OK, so he kind of conflated the the movie thing where he and it's also in the book where he does this thing, goes to college and he interviews all these women and he picks some of them and they he flies them all over to Europe.

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And then he gives them checks and he also gives them reimbursement checks that they have to cash and give him the cash. So they're doing this everywhere they go. He's also not paying for any of the photography. He's telling them to bill pay him. So he's running up photography bills all over Europe. The women are thrilled.

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And during that conversation, he had a couple drinks that night. He took us to dinner.

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They get to go to Europe for a month, but they also end up making him like $20,000, $30,000 in cash because they're cashing checks, thinking it's just a part of how this works. We cash this up. We have to pay for our own fees, but they reimburse us. They give us a check. We cash it and give it to him.

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Yeah, let's say roughly 6 to 12, yeah.

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Oh. Oh, yeah. What, because he's kind of paved the way? Oh, yeah, I mean, he led that path. Yeah, yeah.

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um like didn't cut us off knows that we gave him two million and for all like he's like keep them coming but you know you gotta watch this so he comes and he says to me he's like look be honest he's like nobody wants the fbi going through their files sure he's like at all he's like like he said because they're going to come in you could give them these two files but he's but you don't know where that's going to end he's like they may say well look we're subpoenaing all your files he said nobody wants to be in in that position right and he even told me

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Yeah. Okay. Why?

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He just doesn't want to have a conversation with you where it's going to be obvious.

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Yeah, and Frank would have to go on first because he's not going on second.

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I am. You know what's, okay, sorry, go ahead.

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Listen, who gets out of prison? And says and as a con, well, it's really as a petty criminal and reinvents himself as a con man to do to do keynote speaking and get paid for it. Like that is especially if you don't really have you don't have the pedigree. Exactly. And becomes arguably more famous than Charles Ponzi. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everybody knows Catch Me If You Can.

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They might not know exactly Frank Abagnale, but a lot of people do. Right. So I'd say if somebody knows the movie Catch Me If You Can, probably 25% of them can actually say Frank Abagnale. Exactly, exactly. But at the very least, he can say, would you see the movie Catch Me If You Can?

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Right. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And you're right. Like, just like I said, yeah, not everybody knows what a pot or what a positive.

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security for checks right and javier said like he came up with the he's legitimately got like a securities company or whatever it is yeah he was he's legitimately and apparently it does decent work like he's like there's nothing he's like they looked into that he's like there's nothing out there that says that that's a scam like it's a legitimate company so how do you i mean how do you how are you supposed to look at that the guy's he's built his his entire life on this foundation of lies but he goes off and he does some good

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I really don't care about his. We're not so concerned about fraud as long as it goes past the one year clawback. Now, at that point, it was one year. Now it's like 30 days. Right. So he's like, as long as it goes past that one year and they can't come back on me, I don't care. And it was I remember being I was just like, oh, my God, I couldn't believe it.

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And makes a hell of a lot of money doing it. A hell of a lot of money. It's easy to do good things.

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I think... You know, what's funny is it's like cheating on your wife. This is another one of those rumors. So I give these examples sometimes. And like when we were not on camera, you're like, don't go with that one again.

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I said something the other day, the other day, the guy made a comment about people with like a thyroid problem. Like, well, you know, it's not her fault. He was talking about like his sister, like was super overweight. He was, he's angry with this particular, it's a fraud that's happening. And he's angry, he's talking, and he shows a picture of his sister.

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He goes, you know, and I went, he goes, you notice anything about her? And I thought, well, she's a, she's a, like, I didn't know what he wanted me to say, but all I could think of was she's a biggin'. She's big boned. She's a big, big, big girl. And he goes, it's not her fault. She has, you know, thyroid something, such and such. And I said, yeah, I said, I don't buy that.

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I said, I said, because I said, I know for a fact that I said in all the pictures I've seen of like concentration camps, there's never like one fat person that they say, yeah, she's getting as much food as everybody else. But she has a thyroid. She has a thyroid issue, so she can't lose weight. Like I said, I don't think that's the way it works.

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And so anyway, afterward, he said, I don't want to use that example. Afterward, he said, you know, he said, I understood what you were saying and it was funny. He said, but you might want to stay away from anything that has to do with skinny people in a concentration camp.

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So, but yeah, but Frank, I don't know where I was going with this. Cheating wife. Cheating wife. Thank you. So it's kind of like, like if it's like the guy, listen.

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People will, really a woman in general, and I think men for the most part, they will forgive infidelity, but what they're more upset about, every time, when I was younger, not now, I'm an adult now, but when I was in my teens or 20s and I would run around with my girlfriend and get caught, The few times, what I realized was when you just deny it, it drags out for six months to you.

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They never let it go. But if you just say, yeah, look, okay, I did this and this and we were having fights and we're not doing well and I thought we were going to break up and I saw your friend Jennifer and she's always flirting with me. And so, yeah, I went back to her place and I hit it. Yeah, I met, yeah, yeah. She's not a good friend to you, by the way. You know, it's a horrible thing to say.

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You know, if you just own up to it. Lay it on her. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's not a good friend to you. You know, I said, the whole time I said, this isn't right. But if you just own up to it, then it kind of shuts it, you know, and if you're like, look, I. Just get it out. I got caught like mid-act. Yeah. banging this... Literally mid-act. Well, no.

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So I was, you know, going, you know, it was working out. It was just, you know, it was actually a Buccaneers cheerleader. I mean, when am I going to get a chance to hit a Buccaneers cheerleader? Buccaneers cheerleader. You got to. I mean, to me, that's like a... You get a pass. I mean... I should have gotten a pass, right? So, I mean, I'm never going to have this opportunity again.

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Yeah, I like you. We're good, but... I love you, but it's a bust. For God's sakes. So it's just happening. And I remember we're naked and boom. I'm just, you know, things are just going in good. And just then I hear, teet, teet. And I thought, you know, the alarm system, the door opens. And I went, oh, God. I never got that key back from Jana. Yeah.

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And I was like, and I remember she was like, oh my God, is that, and the girl I was dating was a fitness trainer. And she goes, is that the fitness girl? I was like, ah, wait a second. I get up and go in there and literally my girlfriend's got this chick's purse out on the, dumping out her stuff, flipping it open, looks at the, and starts screaming like she knows her.

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Like she's like, barely even knows her. She starts screaming at this or yelling at it. And so the girl ends up coming and we scoop the stuff back in. The girl's got her clothes on. She takes it. She runs out the back. I turn around. She's like, did you, you know, did you fuck her? No, I didn't know what I look. I mean, I'm done. I said, yeah, you want to know the truth? I said, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I was a little bit. I was starting. It was work. Things were going. It was half. Yes, you. But you ruined it for me. And I said, I said, look, you know, it's, it's, forget us. It's over. Just, just, just go, just go. She's, but I love you. And then I couldn't get rid of it. She hugged me and we, she stayed the night and we dated again for the next three weeks.

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And we broke up again because we were always breaking up. But the point is, is that, listen, for the Frank, all that, but I'm bringing it back around. I see that disappointed look that where's this going? It's going. So to me, the denying or not addressing it, to me, one, you probably get a lot more if Abagnale were to just say, listen, let me tell you what happened.

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And you still won't have to be that. You can say, look, this is what happened here. This is what happened here. When I wrote it with Stan Redding or whoever I wrote, when I wrote the book, was there embellishment? Absolutely, there was embellishment. And it just got away from me over the years.

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got away it kept going I started getting the gigs I was scared that if I corrected it at that point I wouldn't get the gigs I was making good living I have a wife I have four beautiful children did I mess up should I have corrected a long time ago absolutely I was broke I was in a bad spot here's what I did I didn't correct it I'm correcting it now my bad you don't you know

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Here's what I have done with my life.

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Well, what do you say at that point? People are like, nah, he owned up to it. What are you going to do? Still like the movie. Yeah, absolutely. That's what you do. Right, but to not address it, then what happens is it festers, it gets worse, it gets worse, it gets worse, and that's what happens.

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Yeah. I mean, it's going to shut him down completely. I mean, luckily, I'm sure old Frank's got more than enough money to just kick back.

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I mean, listen, to be honest, at this point, you could kick back, do a video, and laugh about the whole thing. He could mock the whole thing.

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Yeah, that's what I did.

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And be done with it. You know? He didn't even have to be apologetic if he didn't want to. He's like, I'm 75 years old. What are you going to do?

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Yeah, I don't either.

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That's going to end it right there. You know, to me, listen, I had a girlfriend. I remember her name. I'm horrible with names too. Her name was Janine Hutchinson.

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Yeah. She was so sweet. She was very nice. I dated her for a little bit when I was in college, the first like year or so. And I remember she was going back to, I think she's from Wisconsin or something. I don't know. Anyway, she was going, one of the square States up North. So she's going back up there for like a month or two and then coming back. And I said, listen,

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I said, I know your ex-boyfriend's up there. I know he's friends with all your friends. I know all this. We'd been dating like a year or so. I said, I know this. I said, I know there's no way you're gonna see your friends and not end up seeing him. And she goes, probably. She said, yeah, probably.

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So if things take the natural course of nature, I said, and you end up sleeping with this guy, I said, do me the favor and the courtesy of not letting me find out. And she goes, and she said, you'll never find out. And I said, okay.

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because she knew what time it was she just laughed she's like something's wrong with you i'm just saying i don't want to know right like i don't want to know if something that she's like you know nothing's going to happen as a man that shit eats at you yeah i don't want to know because i'm sitting there going okay you've told me this but there's more yeah i hated it the whole time yes i know the guy's six foot two he weighs 195 pounds he's got a full head of hair right you hated it the whole time okay now you're a liar too yeah so yeah

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yeah yeah i don't know um i need to call jess before i speak about it i need to do this i like to drop by every once in a while just pull in real quick in my little chick jeep there you go it bounces all over you they got this big thing and i bounce up i pull up i jump out and well you know i ordered a bronco Are you serious? They're fucking ridiculously expensive. The sticker price is $40.

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They're selling for $95.

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Like, it's not, I mean, it is hilarious, though. But it's, yeah, it's disturbing to me. I watched a video of mine the other day, and I thought, damn. You subscribed to your own video. You're good. You should be huge. Yeah, I feel like this should go on its own. This is not what we're here to talk about. This is not what we're talking about.

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How long had you ordered it?

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So you probably, did you make money on the sale?

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Oh, okay. I thought you like, I thought you already paid it and just arrived.

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I was going to say, they probably sold it for 90.

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You know, I went and looked at Bronco. This is scary. They're nice vehicles. They're nice because you know why? Online, it said it was like $38,000. I was like, this is great. I actually, listen, I went so far. I went and got a loan from my, like I applied for the loan through my credit union.

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It was like the cheap one. It was the cheapest one. Two door. Two doors are nice. Mine was the four. Yeah. Ragtop. Are they all rag? This thing I had a hard top. They look like kind of a rag top.

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Okay, so I then drive out to the dealership. I get to the dealer. I called them, by the way. You know, you do the text thing. Texting the guy. And the guy's like, yeah. I'm like, hey, I know the sticker price is this. Can you work on the sticker price? And he's like, well, we can talk about it when you get here. So he's making me believe that the sticker price is the price.

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Like, I didn't know what had happened with cars. I get out there. they had added like, they put a little lift on it and put like a roll bar in the back or something. Like some stuff I don't want, I don't need, but I don't care, it's there. And somehow or another, that extra $2,500 worth of bullshit they added on ended up jacking it up to 72 or 70. From 38 to 72.

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Yeah, it's like $75,000 or something.

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Are you fucking with me? We were driving. We were driving out of the place, right? So the guy's taking me out, and he said, so why'd you decide to get the Bronco? I said, well, I mean, I couldn't beat it. I mean, $38,000? I love these things. And he goes, oh, no, no. He said, that's sticker price. I went, right. He said, no, this has got the upgraded such and such. We put that on.

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He said, so this one's like $74,000, whatever it was. And I went, what? And I said, bro, just turn around.

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right just right here just take me back and he goes you don't want to drive it i said no he's well well maybe we could talk about the price i said you ain't talking it down to 38 000 i'm ready to pay sticker i'm not paying he's like well we can let's see what the numbers come to special numbers you found anything for 100 years like i don't care i don't want that i'm not doing that turn around and he was like are you serious yeah john 96 months you'll be all right

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ridiculous so i had him turn around i mean i went in i i did let they didn't pull my credit but i did say you know he said well let me at least get to the numbers that's all right bro but i'm so that takes 20 minutes and then after i got the first set of numbers i said yeah i'm done give me my keys yeah you know well look i don't know where paul is they're gonna cut the shit you i know you got my keys come on don't don't make me get don't make me don't make me be an asshole you like the jeep um my jeep yeah the little tiny baby girl jeep

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I've not seen your Jeep. It's in the... I'll have to look at it. It's the little white... It's a chick Jeep. Like, I mean, you hit it, you punch the gas, and it goes... It doesn't go, though. Like, it's not like it throws your... Like, Jess will be like, oh, did you hit the gas?

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We bought furniture for Jess's daughter and I had to rent a U-Haul.

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Yeah, I feel like that book will lose me a lot of people. Ha! People will read that and be like, you've got some issues. Like, it's not. I mean, it is hilarious, though. But, yeah, it's disturbing to me. Can I ask you a question real quick before we get into it? Because this is a question I get all the time. I want to know how you answer it. Well, I've got multiple questions I get all the time.

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Come on, shoot them out, man.

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Like, these are the questions people ask me. And people always look shocked when I answer them. And I always think, oh, that's the wrong answer. Like, that's not what they expected. So one of those is, do you ever think about committing fraud?

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Okay. Yeah. I'm like, if people ask me that, I'm like every single day.

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No, it's like, damn. I'll see a real estate commercial where they're buying real estate sight unseen. Oh, Jesus. And I'm like, oh, stop it, bro. Stop. What are you doing? Like, oh, God, dear God, what are you doing, man? What's happening?

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I actually told my probation officer. Well, I've actually told several people. Did you take RDAP? Yes, I took RDAP. I almost caused a riot at Fort Worth Prison taking RDAP. So I've told the doctor that was running the program this and I told my probation officer. I was like, yeah, yeah, I know I'm going to bust my ass. I'm going to get a job.

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I'm going to bust my ass for the next year, hopefully pull some shit together, get myself on my feet. And I kept saying – I guess I said a year too many times. And she goes, well, what happens if it takes longer than a year? And I go –

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if it takes longer than a year and she goes yeah i go if it if i'm if in a year from now i'm living in someone's spare room i'm taking the bus to work i can barely pay my bills like that and she goes yeah i said i go i'm gonna commit a massive massive fraud that's what i was about to say then fuck it balls to the wall at that point yeah if i can't feed myself in a year from now then i gave it a good shot

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No, no, no. Listen, listen, listen, you would. And here's what I told the doctor, by the way, was I had said to her, I said, she goes, well, crime is never an option. I said, listen. let's assume that your husband leaves you for his secretary. Let's assume the economy goes south, I said, which we all know it can. And it is. Well, at that time it wasn't.

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Let's assume that, I said, they don't have the budget to hire

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to hire people like you at a hundred thousand dollars i said and you go out and you try and get a job in a bad economy and you can't you find yourself and your two kids living in your car with no support from anybody i said and there is a loaf of bread four feet inside of the supermarket front door i said if you steal that loaf of bread your kids live another week i said you wouldn't do it i

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I go, the difference between you and me, I said, is my the bar for committing crime. For me, it's just lower than yours. Right. I mean, everybody will do it.

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Yeah, I don't have to, if I'm willing to do this, I don't have to live in my car anymore. That's exactly right. My kids deserve better. So here's the other question is where, and this always kills me too, is they're like, well, man, when you were on the run, you must've been like, were you scared all the time? Were you worried? Was it horrible? And I always say, and I know this is the wrong one.

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I'm always like, bro, honestly, like the best, the best period of my life was being on the run. I loved being on the run. Have you read Shantaram or not?

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So let's rewind here.

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No, I was asking if you had a job during this whole thing.

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Right, right. Okay. Again, illegal as fuck. Yeah, yeah, they're manipulating the system so that you stay below that 2% or .002% chargeback rate. Right.

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He once conned Bank of America out of $250,000 using nothing but a fake ID and his charm. He is the most interesting man in the world.

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I don't typically commit crime, but when I do, it's bank fraud. Stay greedy, my friends.

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Connor's shaking his head. He's always disappointed. Whenever I tell stories, he always halfway through, he starts going like, what are you doing?

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You said you're a UK, what? University of Kentucky. Oh, okay. Okay.

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And I've been raising mortal hell about that. I was going to say it – I was going to say, well, one, I was going to say that it's funny because like, yeah, it's when people are like, you know, oh, you know, what do they always say? Like, I'll say, you know, my name is Matt Cox. I'm a con man. They'll go, well, you want to say like reformed? Or do you want to say that you want to say?

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you're enjoying it.

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Because people weren't used to it at that time. They had never seen anything.

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And I'm always like, I mean, no. You know, not really because, you know what I'm saying? Because the truth is I know something's wrong when someone tells me about a scam and then my first thought is, nice.

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Deservedly. It's not like I didn't. They're going to try and pin that on me. No, no. They're going to. That's why guys like you are exactly why. Well, and to a degree, me, are exactly why that law. That's why that's there. Yeah. CCE or, you know, continue. And they're going to give you 25 or 30 years.

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And then I have to catch myself and go, oh, wait, hey, whoa, whoa, wait a minute. Listen, you need to think about this.

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uh interject here so when you're watching these guys get cracked in the head and there's a there's an article here a newspaper article here a newspaper article here like you're seeing all this kind of circling around you are like how are you feeling at that point are you thinking i'm good i'm gonna be good oh no

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That's good. Listen to what I used to do. And it's like, here, I want to listen to this. And then I think, what are you doing? Exactly. Like, bro, you're this close to going back to prison. Like, what are you doing? And then you do this. Did you do this as well? Yeah, what did they say at the bank? So, you know, how'd you catch the cat?

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So, yeah, but it just reminds me when these, it's like these guys, like the credit cards, right? Like for like, what, two decades, they were saying, put the chips in the card, put the chips in the card, you know, first of all, to stop fraud, which was funny because when they were doing that, I was actually writing Boziak's book. And I was in prison with John Bozak writing his book.

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So they let me sit in the county jail for a week. Okay, wait a second. Sorry. Maybe I missed something. How did they get to you, though? Exactly. Did you just explain that? No, no, I didn't. Okay, I'm sorry.

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Were you one of the guys that went through the VPN that was set up by?

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Like I hear you. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? You're not wrong.

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And I said, yeah, but now all that's shut down because of chips, right? And he just started laughing. He said, are you fucking serious? He goes, man, the fake chips were on the market before the people were getting the real ones in the mail. He said, that's not going to stop anything. Plus, he said, it doesn't matter anyway. You can try it twice.

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And if the chip doesn't go through, it says, oh, swipe the card. That's exactly right. And I was like, well, I don't understand. I said, well, why the banks fought it? Or the banks weren't even interested in implementing it because the banks had already calculated in the fraud. And we've got a calculation of fraud built in. So it cost us more to try and stop the fraud. And the fraud, we –

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So how does it escape from prison? Is that a camp to a camp? It was a camp. You know, I'd like to be a helicopter guy, that kind of shit. But it's always a camp, right? Yeah. So my dad had. Yeah, because I've been in mediums and lows and you're just not getting out like it's like, you know, you say that, man.

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we then pass those fees and those charges on to the customer. So the only person that's being hurt from fraud is the customers, which we really don't care about. That's exactly right. So why would we go out of our way to take our own money and update all these systems that are going to cost us money that, in the end, we can really just pass on to the customer?

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I do need RDAP.

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He once got plastic surgery because he didn't like the photo on his wanted poster. His legend precedes him. The way indictments precede arrests. He is the most interesting man in the world.

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He was like, when? At Oklahoma detention? Without going through the public, what do they call it? The public information officer? Exactly. How did you do that?

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You know, it's funny. I used to get the guys that all the shows, when they would just ask them what they're there for, fraud, which used to irritate me because I would be like, you know, you can't pick another fucking, you can't pick another crime. It's got to be fraud.

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And then, of course, then, so what would happen is some guy would come in the unit, some white, it'd be some, you know, white guy, fucked up looking white dude. And he'd say, oh,

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And then the guys would come to me, they go, Cox. And I go, yeah. They go, go talk to this guy. And I go, why? He says he's here for fraud. He don't look right to me. And I'd look over at him and I'd go, fuck. I'd walk over and I'd go, hey, bro, what's going on? I heard you're here for fraud. He'd be like, yeah, I'm here for fraud. And I'd go, okay. Like, what kind of fraud? Credit card fraud?

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I'd go... They charge you with credit card fraud? Yeah, they charge me with credit card fraud. That's the charge, right? Yeah. Well, there's no credit card fraud. And I was like, okay, well, what'd you do? And they go, you know, I took money out of credit cards. Well, did you work at a bank? Did you like, how did the fraud work? I'm here for fraud too.

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And they go, well, it's not like a learning experience. And I go, okay, he's a chump. And then I just walk off and I was like. So you had that basic same job.

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Oh, well. Because you're a fraudster. And I taught the real estate class for 10 years. Now, at the medium. Now, when you taught the real estate class. So, at the medium, when I was at the medium, you could say anything. You could say, look, here's how, you know. So, you get the money, the down payment. So, what you do is this, this. The guy gives you money back.

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Start a company and you get the money back here. Like, I'd break it down exactly how to get your down payment back, how to do everything. You can't pull that bullshit. No. You can once. Right. Then you get the talk. That's it. Are you? Telling people how to do things fraudulently? No, someone said that? That's crazy.

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I'm in here for fraud. I would never. So then I realized like, fuck, I'm going to have to really fine tune my class here. And so I did that. Taught GED. I taught game theory, public speaking, and then the lit class. Right. So you do the things that the sharp guys do that give you credibility, that make you an important person of value. That's what it is. And then nobody bothers you.

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If you have value, you're absolutely right. If you have value in that system, you're okay. If you don't. You can do pretty much anything. Because what happened with me was I was in the medium. And the St. Petersburg Times came out. Now, keep in mind, the St. Petersburg Times, I'd already been on Dateline. But when I was on Dateline, I had just been arrested. So I haven't even done anything yet.

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I was interviewed later, but I'm not cooperating. I'm not doing anything when I get first grabbed. But then what happens is once I get sentenced, get to the medium, I'm at the medium, and suddenly St. Petersburg Times comes out, front page article where I've been talking with a reporter about a politician that I had bribed. And that's what to do in it. Yeah.

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And in it, it talks about how I cooperated with the FBI and the Secret Service for like seven or eight days. This is my lawyer saying that, oh, he cooperated more than anybody I've ever had in 15 years. I'm like, wow, don't hold back. He just sang and sang. He wanted to work some more with them. Yeah. desperately straight to the fucking shoe for 45 days. I'm telling him, look, I'm fine. I'm fine.

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Put me back out. Cause they're not going to do anything to you. No, no. The worst that happened was I had a guy come up to me and say, one of the white guys comes up to me. He goes, Hey Cox. I'm like, yeah, what's up? And he goes, look, what was the guy's name?

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Bubba was the guy who ran. He was a shot caller. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he goes, Bubba wanted to let you know, wanted me to tell you, you can't walk the yard. And I went, what? You can't walk the yard. And I went... And I thought, and I already kind of come to my conclusion. Like I was like, either I'm going to one, there was two multiple things. One, shut my mouth because I got a slick mouth.

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Right. So I'm going to shut my mouth. You're not going to shut up. Right. I'm not going to shut up for 20 something years. Right. So you shut your mouth for 20 years or you just run your mouth and say smart ass shit. And you're going to get slapped every once in a while. I'm five foot six. I'm not beating the shit out of some six foot tall biker.

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So you're going to get slapped every once in a while, but you're going to have a good time. Right. And two, you're either going to get beat, you know, guys are going to beat you up or you're going to spend all your time in the fucking shoes. So you know what? I'm just going to get beat up every once in a while.

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So I looked at him, I said, well, listen, bro, I'm going to be out at the yard tonight after chow. So if Bubba wants to talk about it, he can talk about it then. And I walk off trembling. Sure. Sure you do. I go get my cousin who happened to be there. And we get a couple other guys and we go and we walk the track for about an hour and they see me. But nothing happens. But they say nothing. Right.

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And that was like, there was one other small episode where he told a guy that was talking to me in line. That guy's a confidential informant. He didn't even call me a rat, which I appreciated. That was nice. You know, didn't say snitch. I was called the rat. Said confidential event. I thought that was very, that was, you know, it was very, you know, nice of Bubba.

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And told the guy, you know, you keep talking to him. You ever need our help? First of all, you're not going to need his help. But you ever need his help? You can't rely on us. So the guy goes, okay, Bubba. And right. Walked like 10 people back. And I'm like, that was pretty much it. Like, I never really had a problem. You get the slight comment, but that's it.

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Are you serious? You know, look, look, you know, Boziak knows. And we talked about that the other day. And they fucking cut the... Cut the penis.

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We got to be pretty close.

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I did 13. That's a hell of a taste. Yeah. But I got 26 and four months. So, you know, it wasn't game time. No, no, it was not. It was, it was, yeah. Did you go initially to a max or medium or what? No, I, so, you know, first of all, I went in with camp points. Right. Even though I was on the run, like I never got an escape or anything. So I was on the run.

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Right. And that's it.

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I got, I had like two, I had like two, two points. Okay. You know, I should have gone straight to a camp, but you got 26 years. Can't, you know, unless you're under 20, you got to go to a medium. Go to a medium. I'm there three years. Because you have to do 23. Then I go to the low. Okay. But I cooperated. The problem is in the cooperation, it was at the beginning of the financial crisis.

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Yeah. You know? I was going to say, like I mentioned that I'll talk in front of law enforcement. I was talking in front of the financial crimes guys. Sure. And first of all, one of the things that shocked me, and I know you talk in front of these guys too, is that Some of the things I was saying when I was just explaining how I got like the DMVs of different states to issue the driver's licenses.

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So they were like, look, these crimes are three, four, five years old. We've got him for the stuff he did. And these other people like, fuck, we got banks that are going under for $800 million or half a billion dollars. Like, these are bigger crimes. And so they just never really went back and grabbed these people that I cooperate against. Well, so now I'm screwed, right? Like I've been locked up.

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Then what ended up happening was that I had been asked to do Dateline NBC. I've been to be interviewed. I was interviewed. They said they'd consider it substantial assistance. Well, the US attorney said we did consider it. It's not. Oh, no, it gets worse. It gets worse. Then American Greed comes to me. They come to my lawyer. The U.S. attorney says, look, I want him to be interviewed.

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I will definitely consider this substantial assistance. Great. I do it. I'm brought into the warden's office for two days of interviews. They have my interview.

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me on there they run the program we go back we say okay you said you'd consider substantial assistance she goes i know we did it's just not enough i'm sorry then i have this guy that runs the national mortgage brokers like education program in the united states and all mortgage brokers have to do three hours of ethics and fraud. So he comes to me, he says, you actually own a mortgage company.

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You were a FHA lender. You were like, you're the only person that's hit every crime on the mortgage spectrum. And you were a broker and a loan officer. I mean, you owned a company, mortgage company. Could you help me write this course? I said, yeah, he flies. I say, you got to get, go to the US attorney, flies to Atlanta, gets on paper. I do the course. They start using the course.

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We go back to them and we say, You said you consider it substantial assistance. She goes, it's just not enough. Jesus, dude. I know. So finally, I end up getting a guy who files a 2255 for me. And we go back and forth, back and forth. And eventually, the government offers me one level off my sentence. But they will allow me to go in front of the judge and argue for more. They fly me up there.

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I argue for more. I get three levels off. That ends up being seven years. Now, did you plea out or go to trial? I pleaded. I'm super guilty. So did you get the three points of that for the plea or not? Yeah, I did. Still didn't, what, 26 years. Jesus, man. So I get seven years off my sentence. Then I come back. I'm at the low. I come back. I'm walking around the compound.

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There's a guy on the compound who did a $57 million Ponzi scheme. What? And he likes me. He's cooperating. Of course he does. Like I'm openly telling people, they're like, hey, Cox, how much time you got? I'm like, well, I got 26 years, but somebody might fuck up and tell me where those body buried and I'll be out of here next week.

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And they would go, they'd look at me and say, damn, it's like that Cox. I go, it's exactly like that, bro. Like we're not friends. I don't care what happens to any of these fuckers. And he's like, Jesus. We're not breaking bread when we get out. And now I'm at the low.

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Like you could be pretty cocky at the love. You could run your mouth. So I'm walking around with this guy and just a vicious character all the way around. Really reminded me of my dad. He liked me. He was cooperating with some other guys. We're walking around one day. And he's telling me, man, they're not going to give me anything for my cooperation. I go, why do you say that?

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You know, you might testify. Who knows? And he goes, yeah, I know. I just don't think so. Because they think I hid Ponzi scheme money. And I go, well, you didn't. So don't worry about it. And months and months go by. He mentions it a couple of times. So finally, one day I look at him and I go. I go, bro, I said, you keep mentioning that they think you hid Ponzi scheme money.

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I said, if you didn't, they won't find it. So don't worry about it. But he did. And he looked at me and he goes, can I trust you? And I went, I said, probably not. And he started laughing and he goes, I did put some money away. And I thought, you're fucking up. So he ends up telling me a little bit of the money. But this guy got like, my brother got like 30 grand.

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My ex-wife or soon to be ex-wife got like 150. I'm afraid they're going to turn it in. And I, you know, cause, cause my ex-wife found out I'm having, was having an affair, you know, blah, blah. My brother's just scared. They do tend to frown on that. Yeah. So what ends up happening is I don't actually say anything.

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I'm actually disappointed in myself because I waited months, months, for I happened to be talking to my lawyer and everybody's like, dang, bro, so you really struggled. No, my struggle was I didn't say anything because I thought they didn't want to give me anything the first time. Right, right. Why would I tell? It's not going to be worth it. Yeah. And so it just happened.

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I was talking to my lawyer. She said, hey, everything going on? What's going on? I was like, nothing. And she happened to say, this is a woman who never wanted to help me. It was the weirdest thing. She goes, She said, anything going on in there? And I went, like, you didn't give a fuck when you were representing me. I was like, no, not really. And she goes, nothing that you want to talk about?

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And just as I'm kind of going through it, they're like, they have no idea.

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I thought, it was just weird. And I went, well, you know what? There's a guy in here named Ron Wilson. And I tell her. A week later, I get called into SIS. They put me on the phone with a Secret Service agent. I get him on my email. I start telling him what's going on with Wilson. He starts asking me to ask him this, ask him this, ask him this. No shit. Oh, yeah. This goes on for six months.

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And he's asking me questions. Some of the questions I'm going back like, bro, you want to get me killed? Yeah. Like, I can't. How am I going to bring that up? Right. I've never even heard of this person. So anyway, I work with them. Eventually they file for, you know, they reindite Wilson. They indict the brother, the sister. They get one. They both basically get they get probation. Right.

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He gets six more months. And I think that they recover half a million dollars. OK. And I think they're never going to give me nothing for that. So I end up they never do. They say we don't. They even said we don't even know what Mr. Cox is talking about. We didn't know. We don't have no idea that he's even working with you as attorney. I mean, working with the Secret Service.

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And I thought, like, I'm stopping. And then somebody and then I keep going. And when I mentioned that I got the U.S. State Department to issue passports, they're literally a woman said, well, how did you do that?

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Anyway, the point is I had an actual email from them. So I sent him the email. I had multiple emails. So I sent him the email. I hired the same guy, this guy, lawyer, ends up representing me again. He's in prison with me, was in prison. I end up getting my sentence. He gets my sentence reduced again five more years. By the time that hits, I'm gone.

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Like a year and a half later, I walk out of prison. I mean, and listen, it was... And when that one hit, same thing. Listen, everybody knows I'm cooperating. Everybody. And I'm just... You know, you're either... It just, to me, it's just, it is what it is. I mean, I get into, I get guys that are like, oh, you fucking snitch. Okay. Will you be a standup guy and do 20 fucking six years?

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Do you know, like, so 18 people escaped. This seems like a big thing. Like, do you know weeks coming up, like, these guys are planning to escape?

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And visitors are agreeing to come in during the riot.

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I mean, the whole time I'm thinking like, oh, is it 12 hours? Like, are they holding up for 12 hours?

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And he goes,

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all right listen he said i'm looking at a condo i'm looking at a townhouse right now it's going for 195 000 the entire complex he said half of them are in foreclosure but this one's finished so and i'm like okay and he explains the whole thing and i go how many of them are actually owner occupied sell are sold and occupied by great question and not right great question and he's like oh this many he's like i could put down the 20 i'm like he's like is it worth it i'm like i

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I don't know, what are the other ones selling? But we have this whole company, and it's like 20, 30 minutes in, and a couple more guards come over, and they're standing there, and I'm sitting there thinking... This is some Shawshank Redemption. This is Andy Dufresne doing all the fucking guys taxes for him. And I'm teaching the real estate class.

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Like this would be hilarious if I wasn't the guy in prison right now. But yeah, we talked until almost 10 o'clock and he was like, the other guys are asking questions and they're like, all right, listen, you got to go. You got to go back and be, you guys got to be counted at 10 o'clock. So they, they walked me back. And I just remember thinking like, it is, it's surreal.

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What's happening?

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You know the other thing? Because you did all the flipping the contracts, because you had all the things you'd done, you went from the most basic type of mortgage deal all the way up through the most complicated. Right. You're taking... apartments that are zoned as apartments and you're turning them into condominiums. So you're going through the rezoning process.

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You're going through all the things that make this thing an individual unit. You're having to get them insured. You're having to write up the condo documents. This is extremely complicated. So you've gone from one extreme to the other. Most real estate agents who everybody considers

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the expert you know what they've done they went to school they passed their test and now what they do is they go well what's the address and they drive that person to the house and then they put in the back of the car and they get they get out of the car and they walk over and they they punch in the code to the lock box they open the door they go this is a lovely two bedroom or the three bedroom they show them the place they walk back and they go oh i love it they write up a contract

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And that's all they know. They don't know anything other than I show a house, I write up a contract. If you said, hey, can we do a simultaneous closing on this? I'm sorry, what? Hey, can we do an owner second mortgage holdback? I'm sorry, I don't know what that means. Are these people willing to do owner financing? I don't understand what you're saying.

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Like all of the can we do a wraparound mortgage? They don't have the ability to know any aspect of anything other than the one single thing they've been taught. But they're the experts. But someone like you, because you've gone from knocking on doors all the way up to the very top. I would say the only other thing as far as residential real estate.

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would have been new construction of the condos themselves, which you'd already done the rezoning. You were already in the process of that. Other than that, I would say there's nothing that you haven't... And really, the renovations are practically... That's practically new construction on some of these things.

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But anyway, it's funny, the amount of knowledge that I had and that you have, and I know because we've had these conversations... If you said, hey, can we write this deal up where I'm going to borrow the money and can we have a takedown clause?

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Mm-hmm.

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You ask a realtor. They don't have a clue what that is. So what's funny is knowing all that whole gambit gives you such a wealth of information that you could have that you could utilize to your advantage. There aren't people out there to answer those questions, and the people they think are experts aren't experts at all. And the thing is, most of them, you go to a normal –

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A normal real estate agent, you ask them, how do I get this deal done? All they, well, go to your bank. You know, I know my bank has said no. Right. I'm sorry. Where you can sit there and say, hey, can you get the seller to hold back a second mortgage? Can you give him to owner finance? Can we do a wrap around mortgage? Does he currently have a mortgage? Can we do a subject to loan?

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Like, you know, can he pay my, you know, how much money do you have now? Okay, you can do this. And all of these are legal instruments. Right. to buy the house, real estate agent doesn't know any of that. They're clueless. They don't even think like that. No, that's too complicated. It's not too complicated. Owner finance deals are the easiest.

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Access.

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A guy who's been dropped out of high school, has very little education, has sold crack, has gone to prison, has gotten out, if he has enough knowledge, can become a multimillionaire. Never get licensed. You don't have to be licensed.

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I got places in Ybor City that I was buying. I bought for $40,000. I see them listed for $600,000 and $800,000. It's like, I bought that house for $40,000 20 years ago. It's insane. Insane how much these places are going for.

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Oh yeah, because it opens you up to liability.

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That's not, that's a lie. That is not what happened.

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That is not what happened. No, I'm not going to let you do that. Listen. Tell them what happened. People would ask me, what would you invest in? And like, if you were getting out of prison, like what would you invest in? And I was teaching the real estate class and I used to tell people, look, because this is an entry level, anybody could do it, right? Like we talked about this earlier.

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I mean, I know it wasn't on this, but it was earlier. And it was like, look, You know, some of these guys would teach these little classes, right, where they talk about like, you know, here, how do you build a mall? Build a mall? This guy's never had a job. The best job he's ever worked is like he was a busboy and then he started selling drugs or he was robbing banks or whatever.

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Like he's not going to build a mall. So don't try and teach this guy how to build commercial buildings. Right. What is accessible to everyone is buying a single family home. And so what I was teaching people was like, look, buy a single family home. And actually, I'm going to tell you how this went wrong for me once.

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It's not all that gentle.

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It was I was teaching the real estate guy because one of the last classes we did, I said, hey, you can get out, save up 5%. get yourself your credit in good shape, and you can buy a house owner-occupied. Maybe you do move in it. Maybe you move in, whatever. So your intent is to move in. You buy the property for, let's say, $100,000.

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I know that's a round number, maybe $300,000, maybe it's whatever. So you buy a house for $100,000, put $5,000 down, get the owner to pay some of your closing costs, however the deal works. So for $5,000 down and good credit, you can buy a house. You turn the living room and dining room into bedrooms, put up a wall, cost you a thousand bucks, you know, put that.

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So now you can rent out all five rooms for, I used to say 150 bucks. I mean, now it would be probably a couple hundred bucks. What do you charge right now?

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Okay. So back then I was saying like 150 because this was 10 years ago. So I would say that. And then I do the math for them. Boom, here's your mortgage payment. Here's taxes, insurance. Here's what the electric is because you have to pay the entire bill. We go through the whole thing. And these things are making between $1,500 to $2,000, $2,200. I mean, they're making a huge profit.

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And that was at $1.50. I know yours is a lot more profitable. But that was back then. So I would explain all that to them. And I would say, you could buy one, and then it doesn't take long for you to be able to buy another one and another one. And I had kind of like a three-year plan. It's getting rich slowly, right? So I would explain that.

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The thing is, a lot of guys would say stuff like, yeah, but isn't there a lot of turnover? Initially, there's going to be some turnover, but you're going to get guys that are going to be... These aren't these I wasn't suggesting you build, you know, or sorry, rent out slums. Right. These are good, clean rooms. Sure. So where they're safe and secure. And so I would explain that.

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And I would say, look, if you if you're concerned about high turnover, and that is when I said what you might want to think about. is all these chomos here and I'm in a class and there's chos in the class. I'm like, these guys have nowhere to go. You know, they were getting out of prison and they had nowhere to go. These guys are sleeping in tents behind Walmarts.

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I'm like, what you do is you could rent to them because when they move in, They'll never leave. Nobody wants to rent to them. If you're willing to rent to them, you could rent to them. And so listen, and I would say, I go, and you can charge them a premium. Like you can charge them more than the hundred bucks. You can charge them 150 because these guys are smart and they're not really criminals.

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They're perverts, right? But they'll get a job because they don't want to go back to prison. They're smart enough to know I'm not going back to prison. I'm terrified. I didn't have a good time. So they'll even though this guy's got a master's degree, he'll lay drywall because he doesn't want to go back. So I suggested that and that turned into Chauville. Chauville. Chauville. Chauville. Chauville.

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Chauville. Chauville. I remember Chauville. We had like Motown. Chauville. We had Chauwood Forest. Chauville. Chauville. We had all kinds of different names.

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Guys are running. We would come up with these hilarious things. But the concept initially was rooming houses. And then you came in when I had explained. I remember too. I remember this. When I said, listen, and what you could do, you could run into the Cho's. I'll never forget that look of disgust on Dossie's face. He was like. What? I'm not going to do that.

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Yeah, I don't get that either.

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But you had taken, I remember, so we had this whole conversation multiple times And that was just one aspect, by the way. That wasn't my whole goal.

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It was a comedy.

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No, no, no. But then I remember six months later, somebody comes up to me and says, yo, bro. Have you seen – he had like a whole business plan written up. Dawsey's business plan? Yeah, bro. He's doing this whole smart homes thing. I don't know if you call this smart rooms. Smart rooms. Whatever it was. And I was like, what do you mean? And he said, yeah, yeah.

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He's talking about – but you were building. He'd already gotten a guy. He got a guy who – Was there Charlie? He was in your unit, wasn't he? No. He was in your unit. White dude. He was a draftsman or an architect. Yeah, he was good, too.

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Remember that? Yes, you had the rooms drawn out.

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These guys in there fucking with the rulers and drawing out the whole thing. And I'm like, what is this? Oh, smart rooms. I bumped into him. And he just took my little nugget of an idea and ballooned it and threw steroids on it. And boom, it's blown up into something completely different. And I remember thinking, you know, okay, well, you know, we'll see what happens with that.

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And then later, I get out of prison. And when I get out of prison, he's got a website. He's got multiple homes. I'm talking to him on the phone. He's walking through the place. Yeah, I'm in one right now. We're renovating right now. Look at this. And I'm like, this bastard. And he's on probation.

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Yeah. How are you going to pay rent or mortgage?

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And if you rented that house as a single family house, You'd make $3,000, $3,500, $4,000. You'd maybe make a profit of $300 a month.

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Yeah. Yeah. Because now you've got to renovate it, put it back on the market, qualify. It's at least a month to two months before it's renovated.

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But that's what's great about you're taking a loser rental property, which is a single family home. And you're turning it into an extremely profitable one. And it's not just profitable. It's never vacant. It's never vacant. Because all five or six of those tenants are not moving out at the same time. And they rent out quick. Like people think, oh, how do you get a boat? It's easy.

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You can put a sign in the front yard. You can run an ad in Craigslist. I had a buddy. You already know this. So this is really just for people because you already know this. I had a buddy when I was in the halfway house. I worked for him at the gym and I was telling him, bro, he's like, well, I was like, listen, because he was like, man, we got to do something. We got to. I was like, absolutely.

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You got about six months with me. So utilize me. What do you want to do? We want to flip houses. You want to do whatever. And and he was I was he was like, what would you do? I was like, if I was you, let's go buy some rehabs. Right. You've got the money. Let's buy some rehabs. We'll renovate them to make them rooming houses and we'll rent them out.

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that didn't work out because I can't even stomach the fact that he didn't want to do it. He didn't want to get his hands dirty. He didn't want to get dirt under his nails. He's raised rich, whatever. But I explained to him, and when I told him the concept and did the numbers for him, he was like, bro, I don't... Nobody's going to rent a room. Right. And I was like, listen, you grew up in Avalon.

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Avalon, your house was five, the minimum house you could build, 5,000 square feet. It's a fucking one and two, $3 million house. You've never not had a brand new car. Like you don't understand. People do rent rooms. And so I'm explaining this to him. And I said, you know what? Let's do this. Let's put an ad on Craigslist.

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So we created a little ad about renting a room for like $175 a week. $175 for your deposit. Okay. And then we put it up and he was picking the pictures that he uploaded. He was trying to pick like nice, nice rooms. I was like, what are you doing, bro? That's like a model home. Right. No, let's find one that looks like, oh, there, this one looks like the bed's not made.

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Your mom was in real estate, wasn't she?

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It's thrown together like almost like a kid's room. Put that one up. He's like, nobody's going to rent that. I was like, exactly. You're saying this doesn't work. I shit you not within an hour. Now, within two hours, he'd gotten 20 phone calls. Absolutely. He'd have taken down. Absolutely. They don't want to see it. Bro, I'll take the room. I'll take the room. I don't even have to sit in it.

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I'm sorry. He just started telling everybody, sorry, I already rented it. Damn, man, I just seen it too. I'm just like, man, you got anything else?

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That's it.

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Yeah. It's so limited on their ability to find something that inexpensive that they have to take them. Because if you think about it, if you're trying to live somewhere for $200 a week, where are you going to go? Where are you going to live for $200? You're not. Absolutely.

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Literally. I mean, you know that housing is an issue. Well, one, inflation's just crushed people, right? But you know it's an issue when, like in LA, in Tampa, in a lot of these... The zoning is now allowing you to build mother-in-law homes.

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And that's how you build real wealth. was going to say it right now if you wanted to to buy you know 150 room or unit apartment complex well you have to have you have to have taxes for three years showing that you've done this before you that you know what you're doing you have to buy a property that can prove that it can pay for it like

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the the the level of the entry level there is no entry level to that it's like it the average person can't do it but but residential mortgages are extremely available for the average highly accessible so if you're thinking hey i work at i work at walmart as a as an assistant manager and I make, you know, whatever, $55,000 a year. Well, guess what?

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You can start buying two or three single family homes a year just by going to the bank. Buy them, turn them into rooming houses. One, two, three, three years later, you quit your job. I can quit my job and then just live off of this.

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Are you teaching these guys to manage it themselves? Because my ex-wife has a bunch of these properties like that. And she has somebody, she calls him a house man. She'll always have one guy in there that will collect the rent, mow the yard. She'll give him a discount on his rent. mow the yard, you know, clean up everything.

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And then he, she calls, he calls her like once a week and she drives up and gets out. And she goes, I might walk through the place, but she's, if I trust the guy, he's been there for, you know, six months or a year or two, she goes, he'll come out and just give me the payment or, or cash app or whatever.

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Well, a lot of people will cash app her, but she said used to be, they'd walk out and give her the cash. But, Um, but she would always have some guy. So I'm like, so you're not, you're not even, she's like, I'm not doing.

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I think they all pay her like cash.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Um, so who, I mean, so are you, are you teaching, are you just doing your own?

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I was going to say, what happened to, because when we were talking about this in prison, Well, when you were telling me about how you stole my idea and tweaked it just enough that you felt good about it. No, no, this is different.

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It changes everything. But one of the things I remember, this was when you were talking about building. And I wonder if this is still in your, where you had workspaces. Do you remember that?

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You know what it was? It was the... Smart offices concept.

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Yeah, because it's like, hey, you can live here and have a shared office space, which is kind of like, what was that? We... WeWorks. WeWorks. Kind of like the WeWorks thing, but you were talking about, I think you were talking about that when he was doing it. Right. Before he went under. Right. Of course, what an idiot. Like he had a great concept that he ruined.

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It was an atom something, something, something. I remember him. But you were basically saying that, but they lived there. Right. And I was going to say, so have you ever thought, I've actually had two questions. That's the first one. Have you thought about going back to that? Or no, you're just going to stick with what you're doing?

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But I mean, I remember at one point you had different versions.

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Okay. The other thing was, and this is when, whenever I was talking to people about it, they were always like, oh, you're going to get nothing but a bunch of, but derelicts in there. That's not true at all. Because, and I used to say this, it was like, listen, Here's the thing. The guy that works at Tire Kingdom that has two kids, he's divorced, and he's got child support payments.

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Like, all he wants is to work, see his kids, and have a place where he can go to sleep and keep his stuff where it's not going to be ripped off. And he doesn't have to listen to...

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gunshots in the in the street it's not you know it's not in a horrible place and he's safe that hey when i'm done with work and seeing my kids and do whatever i can go home my stuff's there i can go to sleep it's a clean environment you see i'm saying absolutely because that's who unless it's in if unless it's next the project and you're specifically selling you're renting rooms to drug dealers but you know but if you're going lower middle class areas or middle class areas then

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You can pick good tenants that are like, listen, I just need someplace to keep my clothes and sleep. That's affordable.

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Hey, you guys, I really appreciate you watching. If you like the video, do me a favor, hit the subscribe button, hit the bell so you get notified of videos just like this. Also, if you're interested in any of Dossie's programs, go into the description box. We're going to have the link to his website. You can go there. You can sign up. You can check it out. It's super interesting.

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He's actually got some videos. You have videos, right? Yeah.

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It's perfect. It's better than I was going to do. Um, so yeah, yeah, go, go in there. The link will be in the description. We're also going to put all of a Dawsey's, uh, social media links. We're also going to put his, and he's, he's got a, he's starting a YouTube channel. So that YouTube, he's going to have some interesting stuff on there to check it out, subscribe, follow, um,

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Really appreciate you guys watching this. Also, please consider joining our Patreon. It's $10 a month. It helps us make these types of videos and it really does help us. So thank you very much. See ya.

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Yeah, that's good because the people that see, that is the type of content that'll be on Patreon. All the behind the scenes. Oh my God. So. It's good. It's a good Patreon. It's a good Patreon to subscribe for.

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You went back to New York?

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And that's the hardest part anyway. You're already doing the hardest part.

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to say I'm a real estate broker?

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I said, tell you what, Mr. Tyson, let me

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Had you already worked out a deal with him that, hey, whatever you're offering, tag 10 grand onto it for me?

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He doesn't know he offered. Where did you think the extra money was going to come from? If he said 40, there's no extra money for you. Tyson wants 40. He's giving 40. And for you to say, great, I need you to give me five. He's going to be like, well, you should have told me that.

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Seven days goes by. Ten days goes by.

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I said, no, Tyson didn't call you. He says, let me call you right back. I said, all right.

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I said, yeah.

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That's changed your life.

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Can I ask you a quick question real quick? Sorry. What happened with the sales charges? You've got arrested twice for selling rock. Did you get probation? Did you get thrown out? So did you just not go back to court?

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So you went the whole year. You're good.

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Okay. So real quick. purposes of people watching flipping contracts is he's going out and he's convincing a homeowner who's selling their house to sell him their house for $50,000. He doesn't have $50,000. He's not buying it for 50,000. He's then turning around and going to an investor that's going to sell that house. He goes and says, look, I got a contract in this house for 50 grand.

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I'll give it to you for 65. Guy goes out, he looks at the house, says, I'll give you 60. He says, okay, no problem. So then the day of the closing, sometimes, sometimes it's just an assignment fee, but sometimes it's called a simultaneous closing.

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Same thing. Well, an assignment would be different. Sometimes you can just assign the contract they buy directly. So what happens is that guy buys a house for 60. He gives, he gives Dossie $10,000, right? So sometimes you're just assigning it. And at closing, you get a check. Sometimes you'll close first on your $50,000 sale.

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So you're closing at 50 and then he comes in and buys it immediately from you for 60. Usually they buy it for 60 before you've even bought it for 50 because it's the same day. You know, that's hard if there's a mortgage company involved. But anyway, that's what he's doing, but he's doing it. There are guys that make fucking hundreds of thousands of dollars.

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Like if you're just the guy buying and selling, buying and selling. Some of these guys, that's all they do is knock on the door. And that's hard.

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If you can take the rejection and not let it basically make you want to

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What's so funny is that because typically a seller has no clue what's happening when you go in and say 200, I would go in and I'd give them the contract for 200 grand. And they go, it's $200,000. I know, but we're going to be doing renovations. And because it's a construction to permanent loan, which it's not. Right. I say, we're going to cut $100,000 to the construction company.

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And I actually had a construction company. Right. So we'd go to close. I'd get the loan from the bank for the $200,000. Go to the closing. We'd close. You get your $100,000. The other $100,000 would be cut to a construction company. There would be a provided invoice. And they would get that money.

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And we would provide an appraisal to the lender saying that there had already been $100,000 in renovations. So to everybody involved, it looks legit. Like the seller thinks, oh, this is for that $100,000 for the renovations that are going to be done. The bank thinks that $100,000 is a payback to contractors who have already done the renovations.

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does the work and nobody you know because one hand doesn't know what the other hand's doing and everybody involved you'd have this free-flowing conversation where it looked a very above board that the um the title company knows about it they're cutting an official check to this corporation it's being it was so it was so funny you'd walk out there like i just committed a hundred thousand dollars in fraud and everybody's perfectly aware of it and yet nobody seems to understand that it's it's fraud i

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Yeah. Illegal. Illegal. Well, you know, it's like selling rocks. It happens all the time.

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And it's always illegal.

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Yeah, I was so comfortable in it. It was perfectly okay. Like now, you know how sick to my stomach? Any one of my transactions that I did that I thought nothing about, and I was bold, walk in, argue, yell, everything. The whole thing's broad. I'm arguing in this, no, give me this, no. Well, you walk away then, walk away. You don't have to sign. I mean, just in bold.

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If I were to do one of those transactions to this day, Bro, I'd be puking in the parking lot.

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Right, exactly.

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So- I have a question for you too. The other thing is, so you're making about 10 grand a week.

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So you're making roughly 40,000 a month. 20 years ago. 20-something years ago. That's like half, almost, assuming 40, that's almost half a million dollars. And here's the thing, because I'm only asking you because I've been asked the same thing. So I know my answer. I know your answer. Is that, you know, like, and it was legal. It was legal flipping contracts. You know, why wasn't that enough?

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Or did it... I'm sorry, I want to know what your answer is.

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So I'm looking.

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I said, sure, no problem. So what do you mean? So you said they were, they were 15,000. 15,000 a piece. I'm going to $10,000, 10,000. Right. And there's five of them.

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Sorry.

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You give her 50.

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I went home.

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I feel bad.

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There's never been anything more insincere said.

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I said, listen, do me a favor. Just calm down. Let's take a minute. Have a seat. I'll be right back. He says, all right.

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She goes, the penthouse. I said, well, how much is that?

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I'll take it. She said, you'll take it? I said, I'm taking it. I'm going to close on it. She says, are you sure? I said, yeah. She says, okay, let's go downstairs and do the contract.

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How many are getting an apartment, though? Even if 50% are, that's a ton.

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Why don't you just put down, give her 20 grand. Why don't you just say, I'll give you 20 grand.

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Oh, okay. I'm not sorry. I was assuming you had the money.

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I don't want to lose the money. You're not going to lose the money if it's escrow if it's dependent on financing.

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All those white people with their little dogs, picking up their little dogs.

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Wait, can I ask you a question? You said me and Teresa. Who was Teresa? My assistant. Oh, okay. I thought it was the girlfriend from the old apartment.

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I'm way smarter.

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As they're leading them out in handcuffs, the sales assistant is like, I'll be sitting across from you in the jail.

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Remember you talk about the book you have to understand that this part of this story is we've I've heard several times in prison up to all this stuff I Kind of I didn't really know you don't hurt.

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You know so insane is like this is by far It's extremely entertaining and you haven't even gotten to like Most times we have the business guy if we have a business guy and It's bland. It's boring. Up to this point, they've all been business stories, but just this alone would be a great podcast. It's going good.

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I'm sitting here thinking the whole time. I'm thinking, cha-ching. I'm like, this is going to be a good one.

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You're not like an assembly line.

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Now she's ethical?

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Yeah, yeah.

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They typically get like a percent... I guess 15% is they get a percentage of the annual whatever is made, you know? Yeah. Or sometimes they'll get... Which is basically... It's basically like the first month's rent. Sure. You know, typically.

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He likes me a lot.

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Sometimes they'll get the first month's rent or something. I guess in this case, a little bit more than that.

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Oh, okay. I thought she was calling and convincing them, I can get you a tenant, but you have to give us 15%.

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Right?

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But that puts you in a bad position if you're in a position where you need to tap the equity. If anything goes wrong, how do you tap the equity if all these other parcels are encumbered by the deal? You know what I'm saying? If you've got an asset here, at least if I get... into a crunch where I need money, I can go to that asset. I can go to this. He's tied up all your assets.

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What if something goes wrong?

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Right. Right. You also said you had a couple million in liquid. Right, but remember. Is he lending you the money for the renovations or are you using your money? Are you using your money to do all your other deals?

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Okay.

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And you've already got several of them rented so you can show them.

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Yeah, he's thinking this guy's going to go under.

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We had like seven or eight loan offices closing. And The loan started getting a little delayed. So we process, process. Yo, how come this fucking deal isn't closed? We're down here trying to close. Well, the lender, H.J. Wilson, mortgages, they went out of business.

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Again, this thing is like, how come this deal hasn't closed here? We've done 30 deals with these guys.

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I knew you were going to say Countrywide too.

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And I'm thinking to myself, how come this isn't on the news?

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Mm-hmm.

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Yeah, well, nobody wants to lend. Nobody's lending.

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$20,000.

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What was that? Let's go back to that real quick.

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Joseph just blew his brain off himself. I'm like, what?

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is I heard that I had this vision. A vision came to me. In this vision, I saw men in green flap jackets all across the lawn with M16s that said FBI.

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I said, who? Who the fuck did this? He said, Kim. I said, Kim, my assistant?

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They let her off completely? I think she did.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, three months. Okay.

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Oh, yeah, yeah.

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She also just knocked off. The whole thing. The whole crew. Oh, I was a big... You probably... You know what? If Joe... If without her... probably their fear is you could have blamed Joe.

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Oh, okay.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, I know Gail McKenzie was, come on, what's his name?

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Oh, Kelsey's, Kelsey's, yeah.

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Yeah, what's his name?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Troy had her. Troy used to say that she loved him. Do his imitation. How does he sound?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What are we doing here, Gail?

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He said, tell Matt to call me.

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The consequences are unspeakable. Mm-hmm. And you keep thinking, you know what's funny? The moment you get away with it, I think that one's done. Got away with it. No, no, no.

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You got away with it for now. And you forget about it. And then when they come to you and they catch you for this one that you know they have you for, and then they stack everything else up, you're like, oh, forgot about that. Oh, forgot about that. Oh, forgot. Next thing you know, you start to realize like, Oh, no. This is getting bad. I thought I got away with those. That was over a year ago.

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Right. That was two years ago.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, it doesn't matter.

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Right. And next thing you know, it's overwhelming. And your lawyer's trying to convince you how much trouble you're in. You're thinking... I just filled out some paperwork. I say that all the time. Colby hears me say that like, how can I get 26 years? I just filled out some paperwork. It seems innocent. It does. I didn't hurt anybody. I didn't kill anybody. I didn't do it.

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You know, but you know, it's, it's, it's, you know, I love it when people, Oh, white collar criminals don't get any, don't get any time. No, they, they get a ton of time. They typically cooperate. They, they get decent lawyers. They try and talk it down. They try and whittle it down.

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If you're lucky, you can cooperate against a bunch of people and you can get your 20 years whittled down to four years or something if you're lucky. But if you're not lucky, then they'll crush you. And they make you sound like a monster. You're a monster. But the truth is, if you sit there and lay down exactly what you did to the average person, they're like... That's why we're there.

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Listen, not only that...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'm in jail. waiting to get sentenced, right?

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It's hard to explain to the other guys, to the drug dealers and everybody in the unit.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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My lawyer again. My lawyer again.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So I'm going back and forth to court, right? I'm all over the fucking news.

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I can't do it. He says, no problem, Richards. Turn around and face the wall.

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Everybody. Everybody. Yeah. Everybody. Everybody.

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Listen, I have done fraudulent loans for lawyers, for police officers, for doctors, for like every... Everybody out there that you can think I did that you would think cops not going to do a dirty deal. The fuck they won't. Not only is he doing a deal, he's getting his wife to do the deal. You know, we're doing multiple types of deal. A lawyer is not going to do. I got a lawyer.

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We pulled out like 60 or 80 grand out of the deal. So he's bringing money. We close, we pull out a hundred so he can get his down payment back. And we give him like 60,000 dollars. I mean, completely fraudulent. Same thing. Doctor, exact same type of situation. Like I've done so many corrupt deals for people that you'd be like that. A lawyer wouldn't do that. Yeah, they would.

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They would.

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I was in prison with guys in prison and explaining, what are you talking about? Everybody was doing this. And they're like, and I did one for a lawyer one time. And the guy was like, a lawyer wouldn't do this. Like, what are you talking? You're in prison right now. Right, right, right. You just got done telling me how your lawyer fucked you. Right. Yeah, it was everybody.

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Everybody across the board was doing it. Everybody. Well, you know, I mean, whatever.

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I imagine at that time, too, the whole economy is collapsing. So she's desperate. She had to be desperate to stop in the elevator and have that conversation.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. I was in the medium one time. And this wasn't fraud. It was literally, it's like 8 o'clock at night. I'm at the medium.

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cop walks in you know everybody's locked in this was the medium two tiers they're watching tv cop walks in looks around he goes cocks you know it looks at you and i walk i'm like yeah what's up he goes come here he goes come here i'm like what's going on like nobody leaves at eight o'clock eight or eight it was like it was like probably eight or nine at nine let's say it's eight late

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they're at 10 o'clock count right now so i'm walking he goes come here and i'm like what's up he walks over the door it's got the sally port he opens one walks in closes it opens the other door i'm like what's going on is just walk down to where to a unit which one a1 a2 go to the a units the building and i'm like go and i'm like oh i walk down to i'm I'm scared.

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I've never been outside when it's dark. I walked down from, I was in B unit. I walked down and there's a couple of COs down there and I'm walking up. Listen, I was actually praying it was like the fucking FBI or something. Like they needed to ask me a question. I was like, please let me get out of here. I walked down there. I walk up and the cop, he is Cox. And I'm like, yeah, what's up? What's up?

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What do you mean get with the program? She needs to get in shape or let you sleep around? What is...

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I talked to him. That's okay.

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He just gets up and bam!

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Embraces it. The guy you think, oh, he's going to be fine, can't get through the program. Like, just can't. Right. You're like, what's going on? Like, what are you doing? It's like, oh, that guy this. You're like. How are you behaving like this?

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And you can't. What do you call it? They called it help ups.

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Yeah, bro.

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It was never that extreme. Oh, but there were guys. Yeah, that's the pin. Well, these are guys that are. Yeah, they got major, major. These are violent.

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I was going to say people.

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Did I ever tell you that I did time in the pen? Did I tell you what happened? No. Yeah. So I got into a disagreement with a guy. So I got into a disagreement. Somebody dropped a note on both of us. No, no, no, that's not true. That's not true. That's not what happened. That was a different time I went to the shoe. I've been to the shoe like four times.

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I was at the low.

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I get bitch slapped. I'll be honest. I got bitch slapped by a guy.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I was watching. I'm going to tell you this story real quick. This is perfect, Luke. There's a guy sitting behind me who had, he had a, he was, he was on a, he was a registered, Yes. S.O. Right. But he was there for he was in Coleman for on an oxy on a pill case. And he didn't realize that anybody knew. He knew, but he didn't know.

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What happened was eventually he was so adamant about SOs and they're scum, fuck, they're this, they're that, and he was so adamant about snitches and this and that, they're garbage. One of the other guys said, you know what, something ain't right. He's pushing too hard. Thou persist too much.

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Right. So he looks him up. He gets his, you know, they have a poster. Yes. He gets the poster sent in and he makes copies of it and passes it out. Right. That's one thing. The second thing is he looks into it and his co-defendant comes on the compound at the same time and said he cooperated. So you're a snitch and you're the other thing. So he starts passing it.

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So it gets around, but he, nobody ever really kind of like, he knows people know, but he didn't say anything. Well, I, we would, we, you know, there was the, the cracker box, right? The, the TV room for the white guys. Right. So yeah, that's called it. Um, there were so many blacks there. Like the blacks had the big room, right? Right. They had the big, big, big TV, big TV room.

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And then you had, you had the Spanish room.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. Well, the Spanish also had one TV in the big room. There's like eight TVs. They had one TV there because they were a little bit larger than the white guys. So we're in the I'm in the white TV room. And this guy, we would watch TV and stuff. And he would, you know, people start talking. You're watching whatever fishing shows and stuff that I couldn't stand. Right.

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Like you're watching, you know, deadliest catch. And it's like, oh, God. So you're sitting there, and people, they talk. A guy came and said, yeah, man, I just got my halfway house. I'm leaving in two months. Oh, man, that's good. Good for you, bro. Good for you. And then this guy's name was Billy.

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And Billy would suddenly say something like, yeah, I don't know where – I don't even think I'm going to take halfway house. Well, back then, with his charge, you couldn't take halfway house in Florida. You can now, but you couldn't then. So he goes – and I was like – he's like, yeah, I'm not sure where I'm going to go when I get out. I go, well, I know where you're not going to go. And he goes –

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And he looked at me, go where I go anywhere near a church, a daycare or an elementary school.

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Fuck you. And he everybody would laugh and he'd be like, you're a piece of shit. Fuck you. I'm like, yeah, but I get to live where I want, you know, and he said, but this is a big guy, too. He's six foot tall, you know, but we also kind of just always joked around. Right. And I would always joke around about stuff that people didn't think was funny.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So one time we're sitting there watching TV, and he was just a weird – the guys were weird. So what he's going to say, you're probably not going to think, ah, that's not too weird because they say weird things. So you're watching TV, but anybody watching this is going to be like, that's a weird thing to say.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So you're watching TV, and there was a chick walking down the beach, and he goes – he's behind me, and he goes, well, you wouldn't know what to do with that, would you, Cox? And I go – Shit, I got a better chance of hitting that than you do. And he goes – he said, hell, I want to fuck something. He said, I'll knock your ass out and fuck you like that. And I go, shoot.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I said, I'm a little bit young for you. I said, plus I have my GED. I go, plus I have my high school diploma. He just gets up and bam! I like to put my hand like he punched me, but he didn't. He bitch slapped me. So he bam! And I mean –

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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knocked me out of my chair i almost fucking hit the ground it was so hard right so i'm stumbling i turn around i at first you know what i thought happened i thought someone had walked you know you walked around with your chair on your head yeah i thought somebody had walked in the room and he and because somebody had kind of the door somebody had opened the door and i thought someone dropped the chair on me right so i jump up at first like damn and then i realized he'd hit me

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With the murderers and killers.

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And he's standing there. I was like, I hate that realization. Oh, like, like, I got to do something now. I just want to go in my cell, curl up in a ball and cry for other guys. So I go, motherfucker. He said, fuck you. Fuck you. Piece of shit. And then he turns around and walks off. Thank God. Because Billy would have beat the brakes off me. I put up a fight.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But I'd office probably once he got me on the ground. I just squeal. I just squeal like a child, like a small stuck pig.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So – but he gets up, and I sit back down. I go, what a fucking piece of shit. Like, literally, this is what's so funny is people don't realize, like, in prison, something happens like that, it immediately goes back to normal. Like, we didn't sit around talking about it and hug and how you're feeling okay and you want to talk. You immediately – I sat back down. That's an everyday occurrence, yes.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Boom, boom, boom. Fuck you guys. Walks off. I sit down. I start watching TV. Like that happens all the time. You see a fight right there. Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam. You get broken up. You're like, that's crazy. So what happened with so-and-so? So what happens, I start watching TV and my buddy goes, yo, bro, you okay? And I go, huh? No, I'm fine. He goes, no, you're not.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He's going to go look in the mirror.

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I walk in there. Half my eye is bloodshot red. Half. The whole white of my eye. Whoa. And I thought, no. And I realized that you still can see Billy's handprint on my face. You can see like two of his fingers right now. So I know I might bruise, right? Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. I know I might bruise. I made it through count, through 4 o'clock count. Right. I made it through 11 o'clock count and 4 o'clock count. And then they called me in the – all of a sudden, right after 4 o'clock. You see the two guys from SIS walk in, and then we're all standing in our cells, still standing there waiting, and all of a sudden they go, who's Billy's last name?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Whatever, you know, Billy. Wait, Cox and Baker to the front office.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So we walk in the front office. I walk in. I stand there and I walk in. I'm like, yeah, what's up? And he goes, no, no, no. Turn your head. He's like, oh, yeah. Yeah. He's Cox. I already know what happened. He's like, I got four cop outs already. There was only four people.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He heard it and put in a cop. That means four people put in cop-outs or notes saying, hey, there was a fight. Cox was involved and so was Baker. So he comes in, he's like, what's up? And they're like, hey, they're like, so they go, so y'all got into a fight. And he goes, I don't know what you're talking about. And he looks at me and they go, you got into a fight, Cox?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He goes, I mean, I can see you got into a fight. He goes, and I've got the cop-outs right here. I said, no, it wasn't a fight. There was no fight. And he goes, I can see that you were in a fight. I said, no, no, a fight insinuates that there were two people at odds. I said, I was assaulted. And I said, and the guy, and he looks at me, he goes, damn, Cox. I go, fuck you. Like that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. So if you complete the program, the RDAP program, which is a nine – if you don't get held back, the RDAP – look, real quick. The RDAP program is a program where inmates go into a special unit. They're retrained or reeducated for nine months. And at the end of that nine months, really during the portion of that nine months, you get one year off of your sentence. Now, if you fail.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Because I already know we're going to the shoe. They're not putting us in the same cell in the shoe. And if you think that I'm going to what? You bitch slap me from fucking behind. You think I'm going to be like, no, no. I'm going to hold my water. We're on the same team. Fuck you. You hit me. So we go to the shoe. He goes to the medium. The last cell in the medium.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They're redoing our shoe in the low. So the only place available is the shoe in the pen. So they bring me to the pen. Do you have any fucking idea what these guys in the pen look like? You walk in, their entire faces are tattooed. Which is unbelievable to me. I'm like, what in the... You're not getting a job at the bank when you get out, bro. But then you realize, oh, you're not getting out.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. Oh. So that's, okay. That's war paint. So they have little tears because they're crying inside. Yeah. Oh, you have tears. At other people's losses. Go ahead. You're a sad clown. Yeah. So, yeah, bro. They've got them in the pen there. They got them in cages. Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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in the pin walking around like cage and i mean small little cages yes it's not like in the low it's one big the outside wreck for the or for the the shoe is a big big room no that room in the pin is broken up into tiny little five foot by section off yeah cages because you can't put two guys in the same one and they're walking around like a like a caged dog like just

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. And you're going, I mean, when I walked in, like I'm all handcuffed up and I look at the, the CEO bringing me and I go, yo bro, you cannot put me in a fucking, in a cell with one of these guys. He goes, he's no cocks. He's don't worry. He said, we're not putting you in a cell with her. We got a cell for you. It's fine. I understand. He's laughing about it. I said, this ain't good, bro.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I said, there's no landscaping here when we pulled in. Like, there's landscaping at the low.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, there's no landscaping.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'm not designed for this. I didn't stab anybody. So they're like, you know, they put me in the cell. Immediately. It was amazing how polite the COs were at the pen. All right, Cox, look. Hold on. Hold on. Right. Okay. I got you some books. Okay. So you can read. I got you this. Here's your cleaning supplies. Here's this. Here's that. If you need anything, don't hit the bell. Okay. Do me a favor.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Just kind of wave us down. Okay. Just kind of, you know, knock on the window. We'll come because we come around a lot, a lot. Also, I got you. I mean, if you need anything, if you're cold, because it gets cold in here, just knock on the door. Let me know. I'll get you another set. I mean, like, the guards at the low talk to you like you're a piece of garbage. Yes.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Because they can get away with it. But at the pin, they could get hurt. Yes. They could get attacked. Right. So I was there for 24 hours. Literally, like, the next day, they came and they got me. They said, yeah, yeah, we're releasing you. Like, I'm out in a day for a fight.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, Billy never got out. Billy was six months away from being released anyway. I almost think that it was part of Billy's plan was to get into some kind of an altercation and do six months in the shoe.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know how guys will run up a debt? Yeah. And they'll be like, yeah, I'm getting released in six months. And they'll run up a debt when really they're leaving in like a week.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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they'll run up like a 300 debt to a bunch of guys and then just boom go to the halfway house and disappear wow um oh yeah yeah so listen i got anyway um the point is is that yeah so i did so when i talk i don't say this but i could say when people say where'd you do your time i could say i did some time in the pen i did some time in the medium and i did some time in the low

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I don't, but I've always thought I could do that. You could. Do you remember the article about the pen that was in Tampa Tribune where they talk about the riot and the pen, and they talk about the Coleman prison compound, and they say Matt Cox and Conrad Black were in the compound, and they make it sound like I was in the area. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, in the area where the riot was.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, it was like there was a riot in the complex. We're not sure. And this complex holds people like Conrad Black and Matthew Cox. We're not sure which area they were in at the time of the riot. So it was like, I was in a riot. Like it looks like when people read that, look, Cox, it looks like you were in a riot with stabbings and all kinds of stuff. When really I was in my cell napping.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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For qualified inmates. Because some inmates did not, like if they had a violence in their past or a gun charge or some kind of a, you know, whatever. Anyway, algorithm. some kind of issue with pictures or video, whatever they're- Making gang poses, but anyway, go ahead. So then they don't get the time off. But if you qualify, you take the course, the program, you pass it,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I was looking out the window as they were landing helicopters and you could hear shotguns going off. I'm like, glad I'm not over there. Those guys got it bad. Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'm sorry. Sorry. Back to RDAP.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, okay. So, listen. I got to tell you one more thing. So, you have to know the environment inside of RDAP with that 120 guys, part of the whole thing is this. I know you know this.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So, part of that is that. a big part of RDAP is holding your peers accountable. Is that how they said it in yours? Because our two programs have a little bit different of, you know, the things, the labels they gave things are a little different. And so you would, one of the big things was like the staff couldn't monitor you all the time. So a big thing was like you had to monitor your peers.

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So if you saw that, if I saw that Zach was doing things that were wrong or inappropriate, it's my job to say, hey, bro, your uniform's not really ironed and Dr. Smith, or it's appropriate to be ironed.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And it would get so bad. So some of the guys are like, Hey bro, you're, You're smoking Tucci. I know you were smoking Tucci in the bathroom. And so someone was like, hey, you're smoking drugs in the bathroom at night. Don't make me be in a position to pull you up. Stop it. If I catch you again. And they would say that. Oh, no. But listen, it would get so petty.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I know this didn't happen in the pen. No, no, this part. It was so petty. Literally, I'm brushing my teeth. And I would, you know, I'd turn on the water and brush my teeth. Brush my teeth. And some guy, and then I, he'd stand in there. Some guy, boom, I'd turn it off. I'd spit. You know, okay, I'm all done. Go to turn around. He's like, hey, Cox, you got a minute?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Because that's how they would start. You got a minute? And I'd go, and this is what they called a confront and level. And I'd go, yeah, what's up? And he goes, I noticed when you were brushing your teeth, you left the water on. You know, that's not good for the environment. It's not good just for society in general. We need to conserve water.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And so I'm just letting you know that in RDAP, part of the rules are they want us to shut off the water. So I'm just bringing that to your attention. And I go, now you're supposed to say, you know, I appreciate you telling me, and then you repeat what they said. There's a whole little process you're supposed to go through.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And like literally the guy that told me that, like the second day I was there, this is a guy that used to – he was a crack baby. He used to take his finger and rub it in his belly button, right? And then he would smell it. He would also constantly nibbling on his – he would walk around rubbing his belly and pulling on his teeth, and he was – he would pick at his ears.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like he was a real – but he straightened up in RDAP. Like, we'd give him a hard time in the unit, but he was a whole go fuck yourself. But Nardap, he straightened up. So I'm looking at this guy. He'd been there three, four months before me. And I'm looking at this guy thinking, did a crackhead, a crackbaby crackhead just tell me how to live my life? Like, are you serious?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like, bro, you eat with your hands. I've seen you chewing on your toenails. Like you're a disgusting human being. And I was – and I had to turn to him. I was like – Yeah, all right. Yeah, good talk, bro. Good talk. Like, I'd just gotten there. I don't know anything. So I leave. But that was the kind of thing, like, you would type. You'd be typing.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And then you'd get up to leave, and somebody would say, by the way, bro, I noticed that you didn't go to the bathroom and wash your hands before you were typing on the computer. And, you know, we all use those computers. So it's important that we keep each other clean. It's a clean environment. And you're like, what?

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then you get a year off your time.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Help up. So. So, yeah. So that's the point is that. So somebody comes to you and they say, hey, stop. Like, hey, I noticed that you did this. Like typically the proper protocol is to go to that person and say, hey, I notice this is what's happening. You confront them. Confront and level. You confront that person. They then – if they're receptive and they go, you know what, man?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I appreciate you telling me that. I didn't realize that. You're right. You're absolutely right. That was wrong. And if they feel okay with that, like, yeah, he was good with it, then that's it. It ends. But if you didn't do that or if he felt like you weren't receptive, then the next day or within a week or so, he could –

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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In the morning meeting, they get to a point in the morning meeting where they say, are there any pull-ups or help-ups? And people would raise their hand. And so you stand up and you say, excuse me, Isaac Allen, Mr. Allen, and then you'd stand up and we would be facing each other.

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Well, I didn't get a year.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And they say, well, what's it about? I say, well, and then there was a protocol. I forget exactly what it was. They basically say, hey, two days ago I was in the ice room. The guard had taken the scoop. The ice machine was broken. I noticed that you went, you leaned it in the thing, you scooped up the last bit of ice with your cup.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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one obviously it's disgusting for you to take a cup that you use and put it in the ice that's inappropriate but two you took the last bit of ice which isn't fair to the rest of us and three you should have done that either because the guard took the scoop which is to tell everyone not to use the ice machine so part of the protocol is and i'll follow it and ask you well how did that make you feel mr cox to see mr allen doing that i think well that well really because ours was like um

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Supposedly, right? I know lots of guys that only got four and five months off.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What were the damaging consequences? Right. So for us, how would you feel? I don't – it's the damaging consequences. They would say, well – and the damaging consequences are it's – you're not – and then they would tell you what like thinking errors you were struggling with. You're struggling with –

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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whatever, you know, with, you know, should thinking and this thinking and that thinking, they had to give you like two or three. And then they would say the way you need to work on it is, and then they would tell you, you need an assignment to do. They give you homework. Yes.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You need to go around to a hundred or to 50 of the people in the unit and ask them what the appropriate response should have been when you saw that the scoop had been taken and

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, you can't. You cannot. There are no rebuttals. You cannot put up an argument. You just have to repeat what they said. And some of the people lied. Yes. There were ones where there were false pull-ups. Something would happen maybe, and they would manufacture something that didn't happen and say that you said things you didn't say just because, one, they wanted to pull you up.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Because not everybody had to do a pull-up. They always tell you, you don't have to do a pull-up. But almost nobody ever graduates that program without doing a pull-up. Well, there's so many pull-ups required every day. Oh, right. You mean for the group? For the group. That eventually everybody's probably going to have to do one.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, you had to accept it. Later, you could go back to your DTS because you had an assigned. There's let's say there's four or five. No, you had to go. You had to accept it. And then you could later go back to your DTS and say, listen, that's not what happened. And you could explain the situation because I've seen them where they flip them, where they did that.

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And he's like, you can't do that anymore. Here's what halfway houses were doing. they would have an inmate would get out of prison, go to a halfway house and they would charge them for the government for that bed. Let's say you're charging $100 a day for that inmate. Then they would put the inmate on an ankle monitor and so they monitor him at home

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And the next day they pulled the guy up like the whole thing came out in the wash. Like they brought him in. They said, look, he's saying this. He said that. And he's got three of his buddies that were there. And that's not what happened. You just twisted what happened. And so that whole thing would occur. And then the next day he pulled you up for manipulation.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You manipulated the situation to your advantage or retribution. You're upset with me because two weeks ago this is what happened. They had a whole thing. Or you pulled me up, retaliation. You pulled me up because you thought I was going to pull you up. So you did it preemptively and twisted it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I was just going to say, what kind of pull-ups did you get? Me? No, not you. Just in that program. Our pull-ups were like you snuck some chicken out of the chow hall. Or we used to not be able to use seasoning. Like you couldn't bring seasoning in to the chow hall. Like you could only use what was provided to you in the chow hall.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So there was all these little – like I noticed that you – I was there the other day. I saw you pull something out and use salt on your food. You're not supposed to take anything. You know you're not supposed to do that. You're suffering from or you're – Entitlement. Entitlement. Oh, entitlement. Entitlement.

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And then they give them assignments. Sometimes you would get an assignment. Like, they'd already have guys that, look, I'm going to stand up. So-and-so is going to stand up. So-and-so. And they're going to give you an assignment. And your assignment is going to be bullshit, bro. I'm not going to make you do it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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There's real – this is a year, possibly two years, like you said, a year and a halfway house. Let's say it's eight – let's say it's six months and a halfway house. It's still 18 years of prison are at stake. Yes. So when people think, oh, that's just silliness. No. This is 18 months where you can get back to your wife or your kids or your family members or –

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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like 18 months is not a joke contingent upon your response right to someone telling you you didn't do anything yeah you are telling you something you did telling you that you didn't iron your clothes today so because i might snap at you for because i didn't shut off the water or because i snuck some chicken out of the chow hall because i'm starving to death um

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And then they would tell the Bureau of Prisons, hey, we have another bed available. They would then put another inmate in that bed, get another $100. So now they're getting $200 for the same bed. They would then move that guy to home confinement. They'd say, hey, we got another bed available.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I might – if I don't accept that in the proper way and say the right things, I might get kicked out of the program or pushed back in the program because they would hold people back. Yes. Actual reaction. Right, right. Just – yeah, based on nothing. Like Mr. Cox, I'm seeing a lot of bad body language. Bad body – and just because like you're – so the guy starts talking and you're like –

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He said something about... Oh, you get furious. I'd see guys who... Most guys would get that deer in the headlight look and they'd get scared. I got pulled up once or twice and it was... Fury. I mean, I was just like this motherfucker, like he's because he's he blatantly is lying about this. Like it's what happened is not what he's saying happened right now. And I was.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Hey, this is Matt Cox and I'm here with Zach and we are going to be going over the RDAP program. Residential Drug Abuse Treatment.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And so they actually stopped the pull up because the second time I went to the program. I was never pulled up the first time.

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I don't think I'd have to check the book because I literally remember how they gave you like a date.

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The first time you went six months. I was six months one time and like eight months or seven months the next time I was into phase three. And the second time when I quit the first one, I got right at phase three and they told me, hey, management variables on you. You can't be moved from the institution. I was like, I'm out.

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But what I'm saying is, The second time, like I really got preferential treatment for some reason because I was extremely honest where most people wanted the year off. And I didn't – by the time it was available to me, I didn't quite – I never really – I kind of explain it in the book where if I passed the program and got the year off, I literally would only get a few months of halfway house.

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So they end up having 10 people in one bed getting paid $1,000 a night for one guy in one bed when really these guys are all on an ankle monitor at home. And so Obama came through and said, what are you guys doing? I feel like you're taking advantage of the system.

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And I was more concerned. I would rather do a little – a couple more months in halfway in prison than get a year off my –

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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sentence and only get two months a halfway house because i needed as much halfway house as possible because i just didn't have any money right and my fear was i'm gonna get out there's nobody to give me money and i'm gonna i'm gonna need six or seven months in the halfway house like i never put in for home detention to try and get on an ankle monitor like no i want to i want to stay in the halfway house i'm saving as much money as possible so that i can rent a room get a fucking get a

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Get a job, get enough money to rent an apartment or a room and buy a vehicle because you get out with nothing. So if they had given me a month halfway house or two months halfway house, I can't save that much money to do anything in that time. I'm going to be on the street. So I needed that. But going to the program kept me at Coleman.

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Because if you were in a program, they put a management variable on you, and they allow you to not be switched. And I wanted to stay at Coleman because, one, I was writing multiple guys' stories. But, two, my mother was only an hour away. And if they moved me, she was going to have to drive at a minimum of four hours to see me. And that's if I went to Miami.

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Any place else, we're talking about six or seven hours. So I wanted to stay. But because of that, I was able to be very honest about everything and everybody and exactly how I felt, and so there was just no filter. So I ended up getting kind of preferential treatment because, one, I'm well-spoken. I was very honest, and I had no filter.

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So we would be in our, let's say, our class, and there's 30 guys in the class, and people would talk. And then the DTS would respond. And then she would, like, we're talking about a good 20% of the time, she'd go, Mr. Cox, what do you think? And I was like, honestly, I don't know what he said. And I'd just blast the guy. Or I'd say, I think this is exactly, I think he's being honest.

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I think that that's what happened. So I ended up having a good treatment there. So the one time I got, sorry, the one time I got pulled up, I think I couldn't a couple times, but one time I got pulled up, halfway through, the guy was just lying. And my body language was so fucked up and I was so angry and I was so ready to lie.

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I kind of knew it was going to happen because there had been an incident. But I wasn't going to pull him up or anything. Like I didn't care. We got into a little tiff, little argument where I never even said anything. He was like bipolar or something. He just went nuts and started yelling at me in the line. And then so the next day he pulled me up.

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So because that night he tried to confront and level me about it. And when he went, he goes, hey, Cox, you got a second? I just went, I walked right by him. I go, no. And then a little 20 minutes later, he stopped me and he goes, hey, Cox, man, he stopped, stepped in front of me. I was standing somewhere. He stepped in front of me. He goes, hey, man, sorry about today.

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He put his hands out and I go, that ain't happening. And I walked off. So he was pulling me up to say, hey, you're holding resentment. You're this or that. But then he twisted the situation. So in the middle of him twisting it, making me look like I had said something, even though I never even said anything to the guy.

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He just went off on me because I had glanced back and looked at him because he was talking loud. I just looked back. He's like, what the fuck are you looking at? Huh? And then so he mouthed off to me. Then his buddy mouthed off to me. They're both mouthing off to me. And I just started laughing. I was thinking to myself, are you nuts? You're an RDAT with me. Like, look how you're behaving.

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Like, I'll pull you up tomorrow. But I just started laughing, and then I just turned around, and a couple of his buddies were like, hey, hey, hey, hey. They pulled him back, and it was over. But he then tried to apologize. He then twisted the pull-up. In the middle of the pull-up, I'm sitting there just looking at him like, I'm about to cut you in half. I'm going to cut this dude's head clean off.

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Like, I was going to lean into him. And so what happened, even though you're not supposed to, you're not supposed to, I had already told the DTS, if anybody ever pulls me up, And they're being dishonest. I'm not accepting responsibility. Oh, Mr. Cox, you have to respect. I don't care. I said, I'm going to cut that dude's head clean off his fucking body in front of everybody.

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So guys could get 10 months, a year. But the problem is when they did that, they no longer had the bed availability. And so people that could have gotten a year ended up getting four months, three months.

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And I don't care what the consequences are. And so she could tell like there's like three DTSs and they're sitting there going back. He's going on and on. And I start going like you could see my body language. And somebody even says, hey, Cox, body language. I go, fuck that. And the guy was like, they're scared. They're like, woo. They don't say anything. They're like, body language.

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And I'm like, fuck that. And I'm like, I'm waiting for him to finish so I can lose it on him.

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I heard he was lying. And so the DTS ends up saying, Dr. Smith happens to walk in. She goes, you know what? The DTS stops it. She goes, stop. Hold on a second. Goes and gets the doctor. Doctor comes in, walks in and says, okay. And she looks and she goes, what's the pull up? He starts talking. And then halfway through, she goes, stop. Cox, what happened?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And, you know, of course, people are like, holy shit. Like that never happens. And I said, here's what happened. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. I said, then this happened. Then this happened. I said, and he asked me to shake his hand. I said, no. I said, he asked me this. I said, I said, that ain't never going to fucking happen. I just kept walking. And she goes, why did you do that?

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I said, because he's a piece of garbage. I said, and I am holding resentment. I said, that's why. And she went. Okay, well, I don't see that there's an issue here. Cox has every right to be upset. Like, everything you learn in the program, she lost.

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Threw it out the window.

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Yeah, and everybody, and when I walked out, guys are like, are you banging this broad? Like, what's happening when she calls you in the fucking, in her office? What's happening here? Because that's unheard of. Right. But yeah, so that's the time, that time I got pulled up. That was like insane, but I'm sorry, finish. Sorry, I don't know what you were saying.

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and they allowed them to get away and do things that no one else could get away with brutal honesty i was going to ask you have you seen anyone get kicked out for being brutally honest i've seen three people get kicked out for brutal honesty okay here's it depends so yes and no the problem is the brutal honesty was the guy when they said how do you feel about your the first time he had like a team that's a team was when they called i know it's this is completely silly

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Colby's looking like, is this really a thing? So they would, every once in a while, they'd team you. They would team several people sometimes. They'd say, hey, we're going to have team on Friday. And then they would team like, let's say, 30 people. And so you would go into your team and you would bring, you could bring like a representative. You could bring like a peer.

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And you could bring like your big brother, right? So you could bring like three or four people with you to kind of like as your advocates, right? So they would – but if something happened, they would have an emergency team. Do you ever hear that? Yes. Right. So what happens is they – so I had a guy one time. They had a regular team. In the first phase, he had gone through a team.

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Everybody goes through one or two teams in the first phase. So he had gone in, and they asked him about his victims. And the very first thing he said, well, I mean, my crime was Medicare. So the victims would be the United States government. And they'd say, well, how do you feel about that? He'd go, I don't feel anything about it. Like, what do you mean? And they were like, do you feel bad?

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Yeah, I went from like my halfway house time was adjusted like three different times. I even had one time literally my mom thought she's coming to pick me up in like a week. And when I went in there to say, hey, my family's mailing in stuff. Did you guys get it yet? And they were like, you're not leaving for two months. I was like, no, no, I have my date. They were like, oh, no, that changed.

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He's like, for the United States government, they go, well, your victims are anybody on Medicare. It's everybody. It's thousands of people. He'd go, I don't see it like that. He'd say it was the United States government. It was four and a half million dollars. You know, he's like, I mean, I don't know what am I supposed to say?

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Like I paid back some of the money, you know, I, you know, he's like, I have a nice house. I have nice vehicles. I worked out an agreement. He said, my wife's living well. He's like, we, I didn't made a lot of money. He's like, do I feel bad about it? No. Yeah. This is the first phase, though. Keep in mind, first phase, you could do that because you don't know anything yet. You're a newbie.

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It was the third phase, and they brought it up again. And his brutal honesty was, to be honest, I just don't feel like I have any victims. Like, I don't. I don't feel like I have any victims, so I don't feel bad about it. I know what I did was wrong, and I shouldn't have done it. I certainly wouldn't have done it again. But do I feel bad for my victims? He goes, no. What victims?

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You're saying, oh, everybody in Medicare. He's like, I mean, think about it. That's like, what, a 0.00002, you know, for everybody in Medicare? Like, no, I don't feel bad. Nobody in Medicare knows that they were hit in some way or victimized. He's like, no. Bam. Straight out the door. You haven't. But that was brutal honesty. Right. Stupid, brutal honesty. But brutal honesty. Think about it.

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That was it was honest. It was being honest. Why do you say it was stupid, brutal honesty? Because it got a kick out of the program. Because the truth is. Well, you don't. How would you know what brutal honesty gets you kicked out of program and which one doesn't? Because brutal – well, the one where you're brutally honest about – basically what he was saying is I haven't learned anything.

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And I'm not – he was honest, but the truth is he should have been – even if he felt that way, which I'm sure he did, he should have not been honest in that situation. He should have lied and pretended to say – No, what I did was wrong, and I know this, and I know that I victimized people by doing that. Because it's the appropriate thing to say, and it's what they want.

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And the truth is, if you end up stealing $5,000 from Bank of America, your victim is Bank of America. There are idiots out there that will scream, you, every single person, that it's not even measurable. What I did to Bank of America isn't even measurable. So are there victims at Bank of America? No, it's just Bank of America. So I think what he said was correct.

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I think they have an improper interpretation of what a victim, what your crime is. They don't understand it. And as a result of that, they kicked him out of the program. So he should have known that. He should have simply lied. Yes, I know I have victims. I know this. I know that. He should have really, and his brutal honesty got him kicked out.

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Some brutal honesty is brutal honesty where you say something like, um like for instance i was do you remember the thing you do when you first go in you have to take like a survey not a survey it's a series what is a survey there's so much of questions they ask you and one of the things they asked me was um The guy goes, and in a way, I almost just threw him a bone.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know what I'm going to say, right? If you read the book, so you know. So I threw him a bone because I actually was, I had done the little survey. And I said, he goes, what are you hoping to get out of this program? And I went. I would like to be able to tone down my narcissism a little bit. And let's face it, saying that about yourself is brutally honest. Am I a narcissist?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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When did that happen? Right. So, yeah, anyway, I'm sorry.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, everybody's a narcissist. Everybody has some narcissistic traits, right?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right, well, I'm not saying a true narcissist. I'm just saying my narcissism. And there's a scale, right? Like you have the top scale, right? Which is, you know, let's face it, like probably Trump. Right. He doesn't think he ever does anything wrong. And I, by the way, between you and I, I know you'll be disgusted by this. Like I, I actually did a lot of stuff about Trump.

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I do like my problem is he's such a narcissist. And by the way, that's bad for the algorithm. The only problem, my problem is not being able to admit when you're wrong. There are things that you've said that are wrong. Admit it.

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Also, you know, so there are there are some things that I think he's done and said that I wish he was like when he goes off prompt, when he's reading the teleprompter and he goes off, it's like, oh, God, don't go off script. But some of it is fantastic. So but OK, so I'm saying that's a top scale. I'm saying me, I'm not top scale narcissist, but I have some narcissistic traits.

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And so I tell the guy I said, I'd like to tone down the narcissism. I said, at least to the point where I can actually care about other people and at least pay attention to what they're saying when they're talking. And he goes, well, what's happening when they're talking right now? I said, right now when other people are talking? And he goes, yeah.

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And I said, I'm just waiting for an opportunity to talk about myself. And listen, that is brutal honesty.

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But didn't?

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In what phase?

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Did he get pulled up or did he just admit it?

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He stood up himself. He pulled himself up. Okay. Wait a second. Now, I think that's different than being caught. This is a guy who basically, that's a cry for help. I could see him getting, not kicked out, but maybe being held back one phase. Because there's three phases, right? Being held back one phase. I could see that. But maybe not being kicked out. What do you think? What happened?

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Oh, like I'm struggling with it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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The amount of mental manipulation that these guys undergo.

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That was just stupid. Like, the problem with the DTSs is that they're, first of all, they're all emotionally damaged. Like, all of them have major problems. We had three females. Yeah. No, we had all. We only had one male. We had, like, five females, one male. And they were all insane. Yes. It's funny that the mail, the funniest thing about the mail DTS was nobody wanted to be there less than him.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He wanted to be in that program less than the inmates. I swear, the only thing I think I ever really heard him say was he would sit down. He had the big meeting. It was maybe 50 guys or 30 guys. They'd have a big circle. You had to do it once a week, a process group or something. You'd sit down, and they'd go around slowly. He would go in, sit down. Of course, everybody's there on time.

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They're all set, boom, ready, quiet, waiting. He'd sit down and go, okay, we left off with Mr. Cox. How are things? Anything you want to talk about? And then you go, well, yeah, you know, I was going to say today that or, you know, a week ago, this is what happened. But this is what happened. You tell talk for a little bit. He wouldn't say anything.

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You'd go halfway around the group or maybe the whole way around the group. Right. And then just as things were wrapping up, he'd do this several times during the meeting. Ten minutes later. And then at the very end of the meeting, he'd go. Well, all right. I think this is a good place to wrap it up. Like that's all he ever said. This guy, he didn't, they used to say he was great.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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His guys under him in his class were like, he was amazing. Why? He says nothing.

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He's burning up the clock on his 20-year retirement. Yes. Like this is a guy who did like 20 years in the military, got out, and now he's doing this for 20. He's working on his second government benefit.

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So don't hug someone when they're spitting in your face and ask them what's behind this.

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So you didn't even try and win her over?

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You definitely think it was her.

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You're allowed to not accept it, right?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, almost never. You'd have to be a complete maniac to get kicked out in the first phase, the first three months. You'd have to be a maniac. In the pen, a lot of people got into fights and different situations.

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I was just going to say there was this one. So, by the way, so we had one woman who was a Spanish woman. She was extremely just angry and bitter. And so she was one. She wasn't that hard to deal with, except that she was angry and bitter. Then we had this one woman, a black woman who was a. I don't want to say she was a I do feel like she was a pathological liar. She had some pathology, right?

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Well, I mean, so first of all, it's really not a drug program, right? No. So to get it through Congress, I'm sure they called it a drug program. But really, the program is about behavior modification. Right. So they're trying to modify your thinking errors. And this is a funny thing is like prior to going through that program.

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Some issues with it because she was constantly saying that she used to tell people that she had a master's degree. Right. That Dr. Smith wasn't the only person that had a master's degree or doctorate or whatever she has. Um, uh, she's, and so she would tell people that, that they had offered her to be, to run the program, but she didn't want the responsibility. She liked her life the way it was.

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And I realized that you still can see Billy's handprint on my face. You can see like, like two of his fingers, right? Hey, this is Matt Cox. Yeah. I don't know why you're doing that. It's on me.

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So, but it come to find out, of course it was just absolutely wasn't true. Right.

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Like she used words like edumacated. Um, you know, so it was just like, there were, there was just like, I was like, are you serious? Did she just say like, we, you know, it was like a couple of guys were like, did she just say edumacated? Yeah. Like she was constantly saying things. And I used to – I had a list. In the book, I list things that she has said.

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What was one of the ones she used to say all the time? What it was was – I mean she would say something. It would be like – it's almost like she was well-spoken, but it was like I feel like you're almost saying this on purpose. But she wasn't. So we just – it was like – it comes out later. I actually asked Dr. Smith. Dr. Smith actually said – I don't know why she tells people that.

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She's like, no, she doesn't. But she tells people that all the time. But she said lots of stuff like, oh, people say, oh, how was your weekend? And she'd go, oh, we flew to New Orleans. We did this. We did that. And it wasn't true.

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Like you didn't fly to New Orleans because two days later somebody would ask you and she'd say she went somewhere else or she went – it was these little – but you're in prison. You don't know.

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So – She had some issues there. But she actually liked me. At first she hated me. The first phase she hated me. Second phase she liked me. And then we had one that was, her name was Dr. Neesmith. Well, not Dr. Neesmith. Sorry, sorry. Just Neesmith. Her name was Neesmith. Neesmith was bipolar. And she had some people she absolutely loved and some people she absolutely hated.

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And she absolutely loved me. The very first day we got into an argument. And I pushed back and I was the only person I think had ever probably pushed back on her. And as a result, she backed down and immediately decided she liked me. She was the one that I told you like I would fill out my book and hand it to her and she would look at it.

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She would hold it for a week and she's supposed to review them. And then a week later, she called me in to get my book. And I would think because I either hadn't done the work or I wrote ridiculous things that you should not have. I answer questions completely inappropriately. I mean, absolutely inappropriate. Not in a sexual nature, but just in a comical, ridiculous nature.

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One of them was like, what would your life be like in 10 years if you stopped using drugs? And what would your family life be like? And what would your community life be like? And I put down, and what would your relationships be like? And my answer was, you gave me one paragraph, and my answer was,

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Hopefully in 10 years from now, I will be dating a 22-year-old ex-stripper who is only with me for my vast real estate wealth. I will have no children. I said no family to speak of. And since I'm currently a convicted fraudster, I am a pariah in the community and therefore will have as little to do with them as possible. That's it. That was my answer. I said, I said, and I'll be absolutely happy.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And then I put go art app. No. And then I put I said, hopefully I'll die at the age of 95 betting my young bride. Like that was ridiculous, like hilarious, hilarious. But also people would read it and go, oh, bro, you're going to get thrown out. Gave it to her. Two weeks later, she's read all of them, looked them up, graded them, came back in. She goes, OK.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I would have told you that, like, these guys are locked up because, you know, yeah, they don't follow rules. Like, I very quickly summed it up to, well, they don't follow rules that well. But the truth is, when you go through the program, you realize that the people that are locked up have fundamental problems processing.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And by the way, my whole book was riddled with those. There were no serious answers in the book. Comes back and she would go, okay, Cox. And I'd go – I'd walk in waiting for the lecture, waiting for the what the hell are you doing? You think this is a joke? What are you doing? She comes back. She goes, look. She said, look through your stuff.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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She said, you clearly have a good grasp of the material. She said, just keep up the good work. Like you're doing great. And I was like, thank you. Take my book and I leave. This happened over and over the whole program. She never looked at my books. Never. Wow. There were guys that would like barely say something out of line and she'd make them erase the whole page and rewrite it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Because you had to write in pencil. But I'm saying, so I really got lucky. If I ever took that program again, based on this podcast or this book, if they saw it, I'd be dead. They'd never let me. I wouldn't make it through phase one.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Can you imagine?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Of course. Who doesn't want to date an ex-stripper?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So you're saying someone pulled you up. Someone pulled me up. For something you did.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Really? See, no, man. Ours were, I'd say 99% of them were real. Stupid, but real.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Residential, R, D for drug, A, abuse, P for program. Okay. So you say RDAP and then people still say program. Whatever. So it's the RDAP program in federal prison which Zach went through and passed and I went through twice and didn't pass by purpose. Not that I couldn't have passed. I may not have been able to pass, honestly, but...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, can I also point out that like because in the you have to think, look, first of all, in the low, they didn't like it. Like it was upsetting. OK, in general, because, of course, you're in the low. You're kind of almost pretending that, you know, that you're that you're upset about people snitching and this and that. But the truth is, most of the people at the low cooperated. Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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In some form or fashion. Now, they may have cooperated and justified it. They may hate snitches, but they're justifying their cooperation. But most of them did. In the pen environment, not only do they despise snitches, but they're ready to retaliate against snitches. And that's the environment you're in. So you're in an extremely tense.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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situations in general you know and and i mean to a degree where you're like their immediate leap is like violence or breaking the law or or just in pure insanity and you realize like bro like that's your first thought is that like they're like yeah and you're like oh wow and then you start to realize kind of like to me i realized going through it i started realizing like

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Ours is just 18 months.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Just one.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And you have to imagine the kind of guys that are in the pen. Like these aren't a couple of tax accountants.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So when I say fight, a fight is physical. Yes. Okay. Physical. You said an assault. Well, there was one assault and there was eight fights. Well, what's the difference between a fight and an assault? Oh, you mean the guy who just got, oh, that's right. There's this guy that got just attacked.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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There was no fighting back even. It was just an attack.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, bro. See, that right there, that would have never. These guys in my program were snitching so much. You couldn't get a coordinated effort like that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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How embarrassing. It was embarrassing and just...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Did they ever listen to your phone calls? Yes.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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We had a guy, by the way, real quick. We had a guy that was working with some chick on the outside. She had sent him like $3,000, and he was bragging about it on the phone. And they heard him. And, of course, he's also talking about he's calling women, you know, bitches. Yeah, this and that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I got this one girl. She sent me $3,000. I told her I got no money when I get out.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So she's been saving her money. She sent me $3,000. He had it on his inmate account. They team him. They play the tape. And they tell him he's got one choice. To one, call these other women, all the women, tell them all about each other. And two, send the $3,000 back or keep the $3,000. Go back to your old unit because you're getting kicked out of the program.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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yeah, my first thought is this. It's not what maybe a violent person's is, but it's still not the appropriate response. And I'm like, yeah, that isn't appropriate. And you've never been in a situation where you focus on that. So I had never been in that situation. So what happens is you wake up early, like you wake up early in the morning, let's say six o'clock.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Do the extra year and you can spend that money. You can keep living the lifestyle you're living in here. He had to call all of them and send the money back. It went around everywhere like they are listing the phone calls, bro.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Go ahead.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, no. The guy you said that people call, but you said that you got pulled up. Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I accept the pull up.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So the guy, he's not trying to hurt you. Was he trying to get you messed up? Oh, yeah. Oh, really?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You had to go around and help facilitate with all the space.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Which is something you would have done anyway.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, yeah. Yeah, they would – anybody – it's funny because like they wanted you to participate and they wanted you to take a leadership role and they wanted you to help everybody else. And then if you did it, you were manipulative. You were entitled. You were – like there was a way to manipulate any given situation to attack someone in that program. Yes, yes.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But, yeah, like you have to admit like you learn so much. Like you could categorize people. Like after that, nowhere near as good. Like Dr. Smith, you could walk into her office, sit down. She could talk to you for three or four minutes and she could start telling you about yourself. And you would be like, oh, my God. Like she would say – she goes, so one of your family members was an alcoholic?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You then have a morning meeting where everybody goes to the morning meeting and you had, let's say you've got 100, 150 guys. Yes. But I don't know how many were in your program.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Was it father, mother? And you're like – Well, you don't think that's just from the paperwork? The profile of us? No, they have the PSI. I'm sure they have your PSI. I'm sure they read it. But, I mean, she could categorize like your personality type. They see a thousand guys like you and me. I like to think I'm special.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But in that program, when they're masterfully having these people come through and they're seeing the same basic... And there are only so many personality types, right? So they can categorize you and then they can subcategorize you in there and what kind of helped cause that personality type. So she was... All of them were all pretty good. These weren't stupid people, but...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But they were all disturbed. Like there was some issues.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. I asked you to do this. You did it. You gave it your all. You were very good at it. And now I'm going to target you and say this about you. But I did what you said. You know, there was no way to win. But that's the thing. They were very like Dr. Smith may very well be one of the most manipulative people I've ever met.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, this is a woman.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Straight black hair.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. The same Dr. Smith we had. Are you serious? Little. She was probably 100. In Beaumont, Texas. She must have come from Beaumont and then come to. Because she had just only been in our program for like maybe a year before I got there. Yes. Yeah. She was. Listen, here's the thing about Dr. Smith. She was super manipulative. Oh, my God. It was over the top. But here's the thing about her.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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First of all, in prison, she was a 10, right?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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When I met her, like I'd seen her- Would you agree with that though? No, but I would have before I met her and talked to her. Because when I talked to her, here's what her thing was. To me, she's about a six, right? Five or six. When you talk to her, she jumped up to like an eight. Well, she's intelligent, but she didn't look disheveled. I never saw her feet.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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She always looked disheveled. No, not to me. And she was, listen, but manipulative, like you can't believe. Like, I mean.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I don't remember any pot. There's no pot belly. Brian, I just told you. She's a six. Like I said, on the street, she's a six. In prison, she's a nine, maybe a ten. Yeah, I agree. She was attractive. Yeah. Yeah, she was probably 110 pounds. She used to be married to him. Was she divorced? Divorced from a basketball player. Like a guy who was like a professional basketball player. Not a big time.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It had to be the same one. Indian descent? Yeah. Indian, black, and Indian. Probably mixed. She was mixed. Mean. It could be mean as shit. Oh, yeah. She could be brutal.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. Yeah, because she got there, like I said, a year or so before I ended up in there. So definitely, probably 16. She probably got there in 16 because I started the program at first in 17. Went for six months, got out for three or four months, got back in for eight months. Or seven months. And then got back out. Might have been almost eight months.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So how long was each program, by the way? I was thinking about something you said. The one chick I told you the first time I went through, she didn't like me. How long was each phase? Yeah, each phase. Sorry, three months. Three months each, nine months. Right, right. So it was 12 weeks. So I remember the first phase I was in this one chick. I can't believe I can't remember her name.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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The black DTS chick that I told you about. And literally, the first day I got there, she started laughing when she saw me that I was going to be in her group. Like literally looked at me. She goes, cocks? And I was like, oh, man. And after the end of the week, like I didn't say anything like the first week, I figured I'll just be quiet. Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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The first week. So I didn't say much, but at the very end of the last week, I was walking out that she was saying goodbye to everybody. As we walked out the door and she looked at me and she goes, and she goes, Cox, she goes, how's it going? And I, and I go 11 more weeks. And I turn around and she goes, oh. And I just kept on walking. And she was like, huh, huh, huh. Like I made it, I made it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I got 11 more weeks, I'm out of here. But yeah, but she ended up liking me. She ended up really liking me. But yeah, I know what you're saying, bro. They can make your life, yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'm sorry. In the pen, let's face it. Like in prison in general, I hate to say this, but in society, I'm a sharp guy. I'm not Elon Musk or whatever, but I'm a sharp guy. In prison, you're a rocket scientist. I can only imagine what it would be like to be in the pen. You must have been like the brainiac of brainiacs. Yes.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I hear you. Popular, not in the way that I was popular where all the guys wanted to know me. Hey, Cox. Including me. Can I buy you? Do you need some tennis shoes? No, I don't need any tennis shoes. Thank you. Appreciate it. Come in myself for a minute. I don't think so. But anyway, hey, let's wrap it up. So I'm going to wrap it up. All right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Hey, so if you like the video, do me a favor and hit that subscribe button. Hit the bell so you get notified. Share the video. Like the video. I never tell anybody to like the video. So you gotta do like, like the video. Love it. Yeah. And leave me a comment and also go to Zach's channel. Zach has a channel. We're going to leave the description or leave the description.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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We're going to leave the channel link to his YouTube channel in the description. He's already started to put up videos. Subscribe. He's at like 630 subscribers. We've got to get him over 1,000 subscribers, and we have to get him 4,000 hours of watch time. He's almost at 1,000 right now. Watch the videos. We need to get him monetized. I really appreciate you guys watching. Thank you very much.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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See ya. I didn't learn anything, bro. I literally, do you understand that?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Do you understand that at one point, so you know the books, you know the questions you were answering, you answered. I was answering the questions like ridiculous, talking about, you know, like it's like, where will you be in 10 years if without drugs in your life?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And I put, you know, and it was like, hopefully I'll be married, I will be married to a gold digging ex-stripper who only cares about me for my vast, And, you know, and then it's like where you're asked about family. Like, I will have no family since since everybody's given up on me. I will, you know, a community. I said I'm a pariah in the community. Fuck them.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like, I mean, I was just like literally like just brutal. And I was like, you know, and, you know, basically that's what like she and I have an arrangement. And I will hopefully die betting her at the age of 95 years old. Like, you know, and you said I so you have to give that to your family. to your DTS, right? And they review it. Every month or so, they call you in for a review.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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My DTS calls me in. Other people she's calling in, by the way, making them rewrite. You have to write everything in pencil. Rewrite statements. Do this again. Do that again. Oh, yeah. She calls me in and she says this. She goes, Mr. Cox, I reviewed your book. She said... And I was like, okay. And I thought, fuck. Because when I did it, I didn't think anything of it. She goes like this.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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She said, I reviewed your material. And I was like, yes, ma'am. And she said, obviously, she said, you have a very good grasp of the material. She said, you're doing excellent work. Just keep it up. I said, okay. Took the fucking book and walked off. That means she didn't read it. Of course she didn't. Why would she read it? I'm well-spoken. She's going to me during the class.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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She's like, Mr. Cox, what do you think about what he said? Because the first two phases, you're just trying to get these fucking savages to eat with fucking utensils and say thank you. But me, I'm okay with that. I knew the third phase, they will destroy me. The third phase is when they come for the con men.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like, what was your hardest phase? It had to be phase three.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Jesus. Listen, do you understand they brutal, in the third phase, like the guys that were sailing through the first two phases, Like basically the con men, the fraudsters, you know what I'm saying? They were okay. They were okay in the first two phases. By the third one, that's when they came for you. Because in the third one, they want to see improvement.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. You, on the other hand, see, you see, we've already had this discussion. So Zach, once again, read my book, which honestly, it's a very short, but it's funny because he read it and just laughed his ass off because he's he's saying he read the book and felt that I did not like the program. I mocked the program the whole time I went through it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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This should be being recorded. Oh, is it? I was going to say. Yeah, yeah, team. Go, bro, they're teaming me. They're teaming you? Will you come with me?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, you had to have back, not backup.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, yeah, it was Sponsor. Well, I think they did. Yeah, you needed a peer and like a sponsor, and then you brought your big brother. Did they call them big brothers?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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My poor big brother. This fucking guy was terrified of me.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like, you had... They graduated the program.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, yeah, you had a mentor. And then you had the comps, people that had completed the program that were still there.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He'll throw this in at the end of it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, it's good.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like, I don't know where it is. It's upstairs in a box. But I kept the books. I even had the armband. These were the armbands. I took a photo of the armband for the cover and put it... This is sitting on an RDAP book. That's what these are. These are the different phases.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And this is the book. This was... Remember Criminal Lifestyle? Yes. That's the book. Yes.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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10 thinking habits.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right, right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. I can remember the... Wasn't one of them like a should thinking?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Which should be this way, it should be that way.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I just memorized them. All right. Do you understand? Did they ever do random tests for you? Yes. Okay. So everybody was terrified of the random tests. And they were all like, bro, what are you going to do? Like, you don't know any of the material, any of it. And they just randomly do the tests. And I was like, right, right. And they're like, what are you going to do?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I was like, oh, I'm going to fail it. I'm going to fail it. And they were like, well, I was like, yeah, but I mean, you don't have to pass the test to pass that that section of I said, but I'll get through it. I'll explain. I was nervous. I was uncomfortable. I you can ask me any questions. I said, you know, they think I know all this material because I'm great in class. Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They've I said, you know, they've gone through my book. They keep giving me these passing scores in my book. So if I fail the test, I can blame it on dyslexia. I blame it on whatever. I was like, oh, I'll get through it. They're like, you're such a cocky prick. So at one point. There was they were going to randomly screen people right like in the morning meeting and just ask you questions. So.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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my big brother came to me he goes Cox are you ready for this like if they call you like you know the you know what the the 10 attitude to 10 uh attitude errors or air whatever they are and I'm thinking yours are right I went no no and he goes well what about and he starts asking me questions like no I don't I don't have any idea he's like yeah but I wrote you he was I I gave you the flash cards and I'm like yeah I've got them here somewhere and he was like

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But it's not to say that I don't think it was a good program. And to be honest, I've even had conversations with Boziak and multiple times I've had short discussions like with this guy, RDAP Dan. Oh, I've never, you got to meet RDAP Dan. Anyway. Definitely.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He'll put this on the end. But the funny thing about that is so he's terrified. If I fail, he's like, you understand if you fail, because I'm supposed to be helping you.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He's like, yeah, he's like, I'm supposed to be helping you. I'm like, oh, yeah, you dropped the ball, bro, because he's like, I thought you didn't need help. Like, you're a smart guy. I'm like, yeah, I know. I figure that'll carry me through. Like, I don't really expect to pass a program. I like the unit. It's clean. Everybody's very polite. It's, you know, it's nice. I like it here.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I go to bed at 10 o'clock anyway. I don't sleep during the day. You know, like all the things that bother everybody else. I don't do those things. So anyway, he goes, he's like, oh, my God. Oh, my God. He's freaking out. I go, but what? He's like, you've got to learn it. He goes and gets the guy that told that put us together. Right. That told him I would be a good. A good student or whatever.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And he goes, oh my God, this is what's happening.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And he goes, Cox, you've got to remember him. So they gave me, he had like 50 cards. I memorized them in two days. In two days, I memorized every single card. I just all day long.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It does because I felt bad. It wasn't for any other reason than I was like, I felt bad for him because he needed the year. And he was such a nice guy too. He was.

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Here's what's funny. So one of the things that happened, I think I talk, I talk about this in the book. I very quickly realize, you know how you had to go to like AA. You had to go to like this different groups, therapies. You had to learn how to do a pull up. You had to go to the classes. Right. So I went to like two classes.

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You had to go like 10 of them, 10 here, 10 there, 10 this, and you always had to attend AA. I realized right away if you don't attend the first AA meeting, they never put you on the roster, and they never check to see if you continue to go. So I just didn't go. I never went the first time.

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Yeah. He was a super dapper. He was super dapper. I was a super dapper. Yeah. He, so RDAP Dan, we've had this discussion and both of us agree. And Jess, my girlfriend who passed the program, she'll tell you the same thing. She'll like, I hated every single minute of it. She goes, but.

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The second thing was those classes that you're supposed to go to, I went the first two times, and then I just signed the instructor's name over and over and over and over again. And, of course, my roommate was like, What if they check? What if they double check? I'm like, well, first of all, it's signing a random sheet. The fact that they're going to grab mine and go grab every single one.

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I said someone would have to go and tell them there's 100 fucking guys here, 150 guys in this unit. Like, there's no way. I'm like the likelihood that they're going to pinpoint me and then go through every single one. And if they do, he's like, yeah, what if they do? I said, then I'll say I lied. I lied. I signed them. I signed their name. I said, what does it matter?

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And they're like, oh, bro, that's all right. So they get all upset. But I never went. I just never went. And I had guys actually come to me and say, I never see you in class. And I go, well, which one do you go to? Well, I go to the one at six o'clock. I go, oh, on what, Tuesdays? And they go, no, no, on Wednesdays and Fridays. I go, oh, I go to the one on Monday and such and such.

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Whatever it was.

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Um, they did give out, they did give out candy and stuff like that, but I don't know that we didn't call it a prize. It was something that was, I think it was discretionary for Dr. Smith to do herself. Right. Or maybe the DTS is or whatever. Cause they all had like a little box in their unit where it was so like, you want to feel like a child.

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Yeah. Yeah. They'd be like, you were doing so good. Pick two items out of the box.

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Skittles. Do you have Skittles?

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That's in Coke. Sugared sodas. If you were caught reselling them.

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I wonder if somebody.

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Honesty, responsibility, willingness, open-mindedness, humility.

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Caring, gratitude.

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I think that every inmate should have to take the program because you learn so much about yourself and you realize how just fundamentally flawed you are. And so instead of your immediate reaction, being you and I have an issue and it's your fault. You learn to internalize things and go, how could I have contributed to this? Is it his fault? Did I contribute? Is it me?

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Objectivity, gratitude.

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Willingness. What is that?

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Oh, for God's sakes. Oh, here it is. Absolutes. I can't.

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There's rhetorical questions.

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Awfulizing. Yes. Which is, Jess says that to me. I'll be like, man, you know this and this. She'll go, you're awfulizing. Yes. Which is hilarious. Wait. Statement of fact.

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He, she, it statements. Yes. Blaming.

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Loaded questions or words. Loaded words.

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Yeah. That's a rhetorical question. Or words. Loaded words. Yes. Have to, need to, must. I can't believe that you just... You just finished it with must. God, bro. Okay. You were a super dapper.

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Should statements?

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That's it.

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That should be 10.

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It's probably one of these that's just altered. Right? Is that 10 of them? That's 10 of them, right?

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Thinking in generalizations over generalizing way. Making excuses for not doing something.

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Jesus making assumptions without knowing the fact. Oh, my God. Well, what? How long are we going to do?

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Oh, really?

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Let's go.

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You'll be all right. Where is it? Bradenton. Is it another bank job?

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Nice. Getting the pills. All right. Maybe. All right. So start. Start. All right. Is this sound fine? Yeah, yeah. You got to do the closer, right? Yeah.

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me yeah right now you're doing this oh so we both you know it's within basically so if you need to pull it closer pull it close i know it seems funny with it right in your face right okay um uh what okay so that's it right all right i don't know if you guys know this or not but when i was locked up i wrote a whole bunch of true crime books and all the books are on amazon barnes and nobles audible their ebooks check out the trailers

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Was my reaction to that disagreement the correct one? And you really kind of process, it gives you the ability to process your behavior and the way you react to things in a way that you never would have without that. So I think it's a great program. But yes, when I was going through the program, did I mock it mercilessly? Of course, because there are ridiculous things about it.

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Bent is the story of John J. Boziak's phenomenal life of crime. Inked from head to toe, with an addiction to strippers and fast Cadillacs, Boziak was not your typical computer geek. He was, however, one of the most cunning scammers, counterfeiters, identity thieves, and escape artists alive. And a major thorn in the side of the U.S. Secret Service as they fought a war on cybercrime.

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With a savant-like ability to circumvent banking security and stay one step ahead of law enforcement, Boziak made millions of dollars in the international cyber underworld with the help of the Chinese and the Russians. Then, leaving nothing but a John Doe warrant and a cleaned-out bank account in his wake, he vanished.

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Boziak's stranger-than-fiction tale of ingenious scams and impossible escapes, of brazen run-ins with the law and secret desires to straighten out and settle down, makes his story a true crime con game that will keep you guessing. Bent. How a homeless teen became one of the cybercrime industry's most prolific counterfeiters. Available now on Amazon and Audible.

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I would have passed, but it would have been hell, the very last phase. But anyway, and I knew that, and I had a whole different agenda, which you could read in my book. Like, what a selfless, what a plug. Okay, so check out the video. It's going to be funny. Zach is very funny. Zach had a vastly different experience with RDAP, although both of us liked the program. And yeah, it's good stuff.

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If you saw anything you like, links to all the books are in the description box.

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So there were there were people that there were guys in there that, of course, you have some people that, you know, they fake it till they or they they fake the whole program. Oh, yes. Yeah. Honestly, even the people that faked it still learned something. Yes. And they might even – there were even guys that pretended to be faking it, but the truth was you could see a difference.

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It's like I know you're faking because you don't want to get out of here and have all your buddies make fun of you because guys that weren't in that group, in that program – You've got to think, look, we're talking about 1,800 to 2,000 people in the low. You've got 120 guys in the program. So you've got basically 1,800 guys on average making fun of the 120 that are in the program.

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Oh, he's an RDAP. Oh, they're all snitches. They're all snitching on each other, and we'll get to that in a minute. but they're all telling on each other. Oh, you're a sucker. You're this. You're that. Oh, you got them telling you what to do, and ain't nobody telling me what to do. You know, all this. Oh, they would give you a hard time. I don't know if they did in the pen.

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Well, anyway, yeah, so it was, you know, it was a hostile environment to be in. And I was going to say, it's funny too, because look, let's face it for me being in prison. Like I'm a soft white guy on average. I'm an average white guy in society in prison. My in Matt, as far as masculinity is concerned, I'm maybe a five or a six, I think outside. I'm like a fucking one in prison. Yeah.

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No, there were the guys that were there for pictures. You have to understand the term that I'm using. If you do, boom. Note monetization. I understand. So guys that were there because they like to take pictures.

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I think it brought me up to maybe a two or a three. But still, let's face it. You still got the gang members. You got the guys that have murdered people. The guys that have worked their way down from the pen. Oh, listen. And when Obama went through and he was he Obama after you let the first wave of like a thousand guys go, just let them out. Like half those guys are reoffending. Right. Right.

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Then he realized, wait, stages. I'm going to I'm going to knock 10 years off your sentence. But you have to do one year in the low. Then you have to do a year in the halfway house because there was no mechanism for what he was doing. He was like, yeah, yeah, you're right. I'm going to knock. Yeah. Immediate release. Immediate release. Immediate release.

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It's Survivor meets Federal Prison. I'm spitting. It's survivor meets federal prison drug program.

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You just let some guy like he doesn't realize like you let some guy that's been locked up for 20 years in prison out immediately without halfway house. His family's given up on him. He's got nowhere to go. Of course he's going to go back to crime. It's what he knows. Right. You've got to put him in a halfway house. And then he realized, no, you know what?

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If they're in the pen, they don't even know how to behave in society. So you got to go from pen, medium, low, halfway house.

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Oh, yeah. Same guy, Ledford. The guy's name was one of my cellies at one point was a guy named Ledford. Life sentence for meth. Listen to this. Life sentence for meth. They told him they would give him like 20 years, but he had to cooperate against his wife, which was involved in that. He said, absolutely not. Give me the life sentence. Gangster, straight gangster.

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Goes to prison. She don't last a year. Within a year, she's out with some other guy, divorces him with some other guy. Some other guy is calling his kid's fucking daddy, doesn't come visit him. Oh, he snapped. No, he didn't. I mean, he did 20-something years. He has life. Did 20 years, and then Obama came along and said, my God, what are you doing? Obama said, no, no, I'm going to give him.

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He's going to go to the low. He has to pass the program. He has to get out. This guy, one, he was a super dapper. But totally believed in it. Totally believed in the program. He was amazing. And of course, got out. By the way, I'm friends with him on Facebook. This guy got out and hit the ground running. He's probably making $100,000, $150,000 a year.

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He's driving an $80,000 truck, bought a brand new house, got out just in time for his dad had died when he got out. Like, I mean... This guy, you know, amazing guy. You know, it's meth. It just ruins you. It ruins people. But, yeah, he was my cellie. Oh, he was a super dapper. It's amazing who becomes a super dapper. That's what's the funny thing. You don't know. The guy you think never. Yes.

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In documentary and in journalism and in the news, it's called fair use. If you notice, when a news agency is taking footage on the street or something, they don't have to get all those people to sign off because it's journalism. But if you did a movie, that's why in a movie they block everything off. Right. You know, you know what I'm saying? Because, you know, you can't nobody sign releases.

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Yeah, if you want to use it real quick, I couldn't afford it. I mean, you couldn't afford it. You know, even for White Boy, we got the Beverly Hills cop stuff in there. You know, we couldn't afford that, man. They would try to charge you an arm and a leg.

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Right. It's just, it's just crazy, you know, but now on the internet, I mean, you could pretty much find anything.

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Yeah, fair use. So that's the difference between docs and like a scripted film. You know, a scripted film has to be like totally original. You need all releases, you know, forms and stuff like that. Or you got to license music or whatever. Where docs, it's more, it's journalism. It's just visual journalism.

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So, you know, cause you can see like on a news report, they could be interviewing somebody and, you know, a car drives by, you know, with fuck the police by NWA or whatever, you know, they're not, they're not going to take it out, you know, so they're not going to get, they're not going to get sued. There's no liability because it's journalism.

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And then sometime in September, my first episode of The Psychedelic Revolution, Secret History of the LSD Trade will be up. And then after that, probably in October sometime, A Tortured Mind.

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I just want to be on the other side of it, man. You know what I'm saying?

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You know, so next year I'll be coming out with more stuff. And then as soon as I get some of these projects off my plate, you know, and get some more funding or the money starts coming back from the films, I'm going to be looking for more projects.

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In the next three years, I'm planning on developing and putting out on the market about 30 hours of content all kind of in this –

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You know, not like I'm a mafia guy, but I was with a ton of mafia dudes in federal prison, you know, for years, 21 years. I know these guys. I've talked to them. I've written about them. I've interviewed them, you know, in prison. So, you know, I don't know how many other journalists or filmmakers can say that.

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I mean, definitely when I have links, I mean, we could just use my website or the YouTube links because the YouTube, you know, my YouTube channel, Seth Ferrante's True Crime, it has like all the documentary links. And then on my website too, guerrillaconvict.com, I have all the teasers.

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And then as the films become available, you know, I'll be putting, you know, those Amazon and iTunes links up and stuff like that. But yeah, it's not going to be long, man. It's like... You know, probably within, I'd say, the next 60 to 90 days, I mean, like, Dopeman and Nightlife are going to be everywhere. You know? All right. Yeah.

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It'll be available, Tubi, Roku, you know, all the advertising video on demand and all the transactional video on demand platforms.

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No, man. I think, yeah, we covered a lot of stuff, man. I hope people don't think we're conspiracy theorists. No, I... We might get Brandon now. The government's going to come after us.

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Yeah, well, I'm a filmmaker. I tell stories. So if you're in law enforcement and government and you're doing corrupt stuff and you're violating citizens and American people's rights, I'm going to come after you and I'm going to expose you and I'm going to put you on TV. Same thing.

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And the only way you could stop me is you could kill me because you already put me in prison for 21 years and I'm still doing it.

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I've heard plenty of stories like that. When you're in prison for 21 years, you hear everything.

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Yeah. It's all about self-preservation.

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Yeah, most of the people, I'm not saying everybody in law enforcement is bad. There's some good people in law enforcement. There's some good people in government. There's some good people in politicians.

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Yeah. Yeah, they frown on that.

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I mean, they've got like, you know, the map thing, right? Like you can do, what is it? Google Maps, right?

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And it looked three Oh four.

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So where are we?

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I was going to say, are you still 11?

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And if you're in someone's neighborhood and you're behaving like this, I would think somebody would call the police and say, listen, I don't know. You might need to come out here. This could go bad.

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Yeah. I'll use drugs to also kind of cope. Right.

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And I had watched like a documentary one time about people with schizophrenia, and they were talking about how the worst thing about the disease is that they said it happens between the ages of like... 17 and like 22 or 23 or something. And they were like, and the problem is a lot of these people are smart. So they go to college.

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So you go to college and it happens around people that don't really know you. And so you get in Europe in college, you get in trouble and the people around you are like, is this normal behavior? The way this guy's acting, your, your family's not there. Cause they would right away be like, what's wrong with you?

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And so you're left to your own devices, who knows, three states away from anybody that really knows you. And so it tends to run its course and you'll get in trouble and get arrested or get into whatever. And so they have to call back to your family and say, hey, look, your son's in jail or he's in a... you know, he's been Baker acted or whatever. I don't know.

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Every state is every state is Baker acted just statewide. Florida is Florida's Baker acted where you're acting like you might hurt yourself or someone else. And so they, they lock you up for three days. They, you know, so yeah. So the, the,

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I wrote a book on a guy named Frank Amadeo, who was a rapid cycling... access or five or level five bipolar with features of schizophrenia and he has said when i did when i interviewed him for the book he had said that he felt like who knows if this is true um but he felt like he's always well it's hard to talk to him about it because he'll tell you so his

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His delusion is that he is preordained by God to be emperor of the world and that he's had these visions since he was in his early teens. But then you don't really know if that's true, if that's something that now he's manifesting.

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But at least in high school, it was happening because there are reports from girlfriends and people in high school who talked about how he would talk about this in middle school and high school.

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so but he um yeah he he you know he'll have these manic episodes that that happen very quickly they don't last like some people will last like hours and hours right his are very quick they'll he'll have a manic episode and then literally within a minute or two sometimes 30 seconds or so

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right back down and he'll he'll be spouting just straight insanity and then he'll come back down and he'll go okay so what i'm saying is it's just like holy and everybody around him's like you'd be around him and see him spike And he would start talking about when his legions march on Washington, they're going to burn the Constitution. The president will kneel at my feet.

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And the first time I saw it, I looked at the guy next to me and he was like, don't, don't, don't. And everybody just kind of froze. And within a few, 20 seconds after he went on his little rant, he came back down and he turned and he was like, Okay, I'm going to need you to get your transcript. I'm going to need you to go ahead and call so-and-so. And they were like, okay.

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And they started talking. And I was like, what the fuck was that? They were like, it's okay. It happens sometimes. He's got a condition. I was like, oh, my God, that guy. He was doing my legal work in prison. He was a disbarred attorney. But he's brilliant.

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as unfortunately what tends to go along with guys like that is that they're super smart. They just happen to be, there's a price.

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Yeah. They just happen to be. But I mean, I think all mental illnesses like that, I always talk about like, uh, you know, people with, um, uh, you know, narcissists, like I'll bet you 90% of the CEOs are narcissists, right? Like, like most of these people that have these grandiose ideas and think they can do anything, they're, they're narcissistic.

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and unfortunately that's what it takes to to believe that you can you know change the world or do these amazing things you have to be this you have to have this kind of a mental illness but it like you said it takes its toll in other other parts like

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like they're narcissists they'll do amazing things and they believe their own you know hype but you don't want to have a personal relationship with this guy because it's totally one-sided it's all about him nothing about you you're simply there to support him but he'll do amazing things he'll be a billionaire he'll change though you know you take and there's tons of guys like that right like most president like you know like trump you know definitely narcissistic but also kind of a guy that's done a ton of amazing things someone like elon musk

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No, it just sounds like chaos, but it also sounds like your dad had an issue too.

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You know, like, okay, you're, you know, you've got some real issues, but you're brilliant. But he's also had five wives, you know what I'm saying? And it's not because they're the problem, you know?

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So that tends to happen with most guys like that, that are like big CEOs, that they'll change, you know, look at Steve Jobs, you know, what a visionary, what an amazing individual, what a brilliant mind. But you don't want to have a personal relationship with him. You know, he degrades people. He talks down to them. Everybody's an idiot. Every relationship he's ever had failed.

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But he'll change the world.

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More functioning.

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That doesn't quite seem, I mean, you can be mentally, I don't know if that is the term, it's unstable, but you could be delusional and not be a harm to yourself. You know what I'm saying? So I don't, I don't, that doesn't really, I didn't like it either.

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That's one of the standards. Like, have you considered this? Have you thought about this? Have you this? And it's, you know, I was going to say no, no, no, no, no. Hard nose. Learn that the hard way. Well, sure. Everybody does. Oh, that's a bad one. That's a bad one. Not in months. Well, sometimes people make me mad. I, you know, have a quick glimpse of smashing their head.

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Yeah, that's it.

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I was going to say, what do you weigh now?

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Yeah, because you're like over six foot, right?

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So there were guys in prison That would walk around. There was a medication that was given to people that had schizophrenia.

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And they do something with their jaw.

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Is that? Yeah. Probably. And this is like apparently after... So they'd given it to people for a decade or something before they started realizing this was something that long-term usage was causing. And of course, I don't know what it is.

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There's two or three guys on the compound who are walking around, exactly, that are walking around doing that. And I was like, Like this guy's always doing this, you know, not always. I mean, sometimes he wouldn't do it. But if he was because you stopped to kind of talk to him, he just talked to you. But then as he's kind of walked away, he would start.

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You'd see him doing that or he'd stand there whenever he was not engaged. He tended to do that. Not all the time, but half the time. And then I noticed another guy doing it. So anyway, there was a doctor that was locked up with me one time. And we were walking by one of those guys. And he said, do you see that guy? You know, there's another guy. I said, oh, there's three of them.

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And he said, yeah. And he told me exactly what you, he said, yeah, that's such and such, such and such. He goes, he's been on this medication before for mental illness. He's probably suffering from, they named off a couple of different things that you would prescribe it to. And I was like, are you serious? He said, yeah. Like.

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And that is, and he goes, oh, they went like a decade before they started. Put it together that these guys, he says, because think about it. They're not in a position to file lawsuits or put it together themselves or understand that what's happening. He said, so it went forever. And he said, oh, yeah, they're all over the place. And I was like, so I'm sorry.

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How'd she break her neck?

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I would think, you know, we're doing what the doctor said.

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Even I was going to say, I would tell you to do something.

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I'm saying anybody, a job is good just to keep you focused in it. And it keeps, it gives you purpose, right? You know, cause there's too many hours in the day to not work. Absolutely.

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Right, I was going to say, it sounds like it's just replacing it.

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How long does this go on until you get busted?

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Well, how did they get to, I mean, you're saying they follow you. Like how do they, they following you doesn't like somebody has to, Oh yeah. If they have a wire or something.

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I got that whole control by.

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Move you in where?

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Where did the intervention happen?

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Well, you watch Law & Order, and hey, the address on the warrant's wrong, and it gets thrown out. You go free. Like, oh, but that's not really what happens. It's close, and they still got the right guy. His name was right. It was just the wrong address on the thing. We knew where it was. You went in. You found the drugs. You're good. Like, yeah, it was off a little bit. That's fine.

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Not much new constructions going on. I don't know what it is in Ohio, but Ohio is cold, bro. Like, I would hate to work around water and be cold. I wouldn't mind working around water in Florida because it's typically warm. You know, new construction plumbers, they just, they come in before everybody, lay everything. You're there like three times.

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Why does everybody keep saying that? I was like, isn't prison worse than this? They're like, hell no. They're like, in prison you can get ice cream, you can watch TV, you can go play handball, you can play video games. They had all these things that they were going to be able to do. I was like, well, I want to be sentenced to go to prison. I didn't believe that at all.

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Yeah. And they would listen. And you had a couple of like a flaming. What do they call them? Punks. Punks. Punks and trannies and shit would do karaoke. Yeah.

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No, she didn't wait back in 20 and 20 months. You'll be here. Of course. I'm going to be here. Of course. I'm going to be so glad she wasn't put money on your books. I'm going to come see you.

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Ian and Matt. I'm going to talk to him about that.

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If you have Matt, you don't need Ian and Kyle. That's what that conversation is going to be.

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I hear about that. The guys that like will leave and act like they're going to work. Like, don't you think that's going to catch up with you?

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Hey, listen, through three weeks in the hole might not be so bad. You know what I'm saying? Like I, every time I've gone to the hole, it's been like, it's just me in a room with a bunch of books. Like I got a, well in federal prison, they actually have the shower. They have a, you know, they have the sink toilet combo, but you also have a shower in there. It's like, I'm good.

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Like I can three weeks in the, that wouldn't be bad. Wouldn't be bad at all. No. I don't have to hear all these people screaming and yelling all the time, but yeah, the whole thing.

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I had it multiple times, multiple times, you know, I mean, in the end, I wonder exactly what the true death count was. The numbers were so embellished.

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What is it, 40,000, 50,000 people every year die of the common cold. So if you triple that, 150, it's a couple hundred thousand, but are those numbers actually accurate? Because they were giving the hospitals incentives to say COVID. That's my take, and maybe I'm completely wrong.

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That's not a bad job either.

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I was wondering if it got funded. Or like, yeah.

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So it's barely enough to pay you.

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Yeah, I mean, I know. But I mean, to me, it's I can't blame him because he's probably get socked in the mouth.

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What do you think the other leaders problems were or the other city council?

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Yeah, the write-in was just a bad situation. I don't know if anybody could win on just a write-in. Just people in general aren't going to do that.

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I actually, I know, I'm sure Colby has that question. I have a question. So when you just, you skimmed right over why you're moving to Washington, you said, you said, I heard entrepreneur and something else, but you said it so fast. I don't know. I don't understand what that is. What are you doing?

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Yeah. Yeah. So that's what I thought you were saying. I was going to join, like there's an organization. Okay. Yeah.

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That's all I have. I would say, um, or when you said the thing about your Thanksgiving, it made me think of a, there's some comedian or something who said after Thanksgiving, like nobody called, like the cops didn't show up. It was a positive, the positive thing for sure. Cause the cops didn't show up, dude.

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Do you have anything you want us to mention, like anywhere you want people to go?

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I was going to say, how are you getting, how are you doing science contests, but you're not going to school?

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How do you miss 45 days? You just stopped going? I thought you wanted to go to college.

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When they finally told you the number, what was it?

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But you didn't know it at the time.

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What happened? One day you walk in and there were a couple of detectives standing there to ask questions? Did you have a warning? Did they start asking questions and a week later you were talking to a detective? How did it catch up with you?

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Right.

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Never basically normal childhood. Went to high school. No problems.

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I talked to a guy a couple days ago that told me that his job, when he started, basically was stealing from his job. He had like a scheme. And he said, the moment I started it and got away with it, he said, my mundane job that was a drag to go into work became super interesting. He's like, I suddenly really started liking my job. I love my job. And I was stealing $500 to $1,000 a day.

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He's like, it was great. He's like, and it was exciting. Suddenly it was exciting. I was doing paperwork. He's like, suddenly paperwork got to be exciting. And I was... I hear you. I know what you're saying.

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So so your boss, does he say, look, we're going to call the authorities after you talk to him? They call the what do they say? We're going to have a meeting. Me and Jimmy and Tom are going to go in the conference room and talk about this or, you know, we're calling the you know, what do they say? And

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Okay. Um, So, okay. So, and, but then you went to work, you went to work for, so you, you, did you go to school, college?

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Listen, I would have walked in that room. And when he said, you know, what is this? I just said, what are you talking about? What is this? Those are those accounts you told me to open and shift that money around. Like you've been doing with all these other accounts. You know what it is. What are you asking me that for? I'm just doing what you told me to do.

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You and Bob and Jimmy, I don't know what you guys, what are we doing here? And then when the detective walked in and said, hey, we're here to talk to you, I'd say, well, listen, I'm sure you are. You probably know what my boss has been doing. Yes. Because I don't know anything about this. I'm just a cog in the wheel. But I'm here to talk to you guys. Glad you came in. Yes.

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I wouldn't.

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Right. Well, yeah, if you had gotten an attorney. he would have immediately said, listen, we can keep you from being... If he was a federal attorney, he would have been like, I can keep you from even being indicted. Because that's what happens.

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Sometimes if your crime is small and you've got information on a much, much larger crime that they didn't know about, a lot of times you can parlay that into... into like a pretrial intervention where they they're like, look, we're going to, we're going to let you walk. You owe this money. You have to pay this money back, but we're going to let you cooperate on this other thing.

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That way they don't have to put you on the stand as someone who's a criminal, you know, and they allow you to just pay back. And then of course the, the, the U S attorney would have made you sound like, Oh, she's just a victim of, You know, or they would have tried to have tried to get you to say that they told me to do this.

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They they suggested that, you know, it would have been you'd have been in a whole different world if it had been two FBI agents that showed up.

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Yeah.

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A couple hundred thousand dollars, two to three hundred thousand dollars, honestly, probably would have gotten you a few months if that in a federal prison. You might have done 90 days, might have done six months, and then you'd be on probation for a couple of years and you have to pay restitution payments while you were on probation.

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Even the state, although I know guys that have gotten 10 years before in the state for you know, for, you know, what was probably half a million dollars, which doesn't seem like a lot of money to me to do 10 years for. Still, that's insane. But I also know the other guys who got attorneys who ended up getting probation. Like we all stole half a million dollars. There's four of us or three of us.

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These three guys got attorneys. They got probation. This guy walked in without an attorney and just said, look, and just explain to the judge what happened with like a public defender who said, yeah, you want to do it? Go ahead. Explained it. And the judge hammered him. I want to say it was close to 10 years because I remember thinking, what?

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They were like, because the guy that told me about it was this guy that I wrote a story on. He was like, yeah, it's insane. And I did. I looked at it. I think the guy got like eight years or something. And his attorney, his public defender was like, What did the public defender say? He said something. He was like, oh, it's a miscarriage of justice and this and that.

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But it's like, well, why didn't you talk him out of it? You know, but the other thing is, too, the other guy took pleas and this guy took no contest or whatever. He wasn't willing to admit that he was they have enough to convict me, but I'm not going to admit I did anything. And he went in front of the judge and argued and explained, look, this is what happened. I'm not guilty.

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And that was around 2004.

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And judge was like, no. So yeah, people are super naive. Sometimes you get people that are super naive and their attorneys don't really explain what jeopardy they're in. You know, they're like, they listen to them and they don't even try and talk them out of it. Like my, my girlfriend in her case, she was going to go to trial and her attorney never even tried.

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He was like, are you sure you want to do that? She's like, yeah, absolutely. And he was like, Okay. Like that's it. That's what you said was okay. No, no, no, no. Listen, you don't seem to understand. I would hammer him like you're, you're insane. Do you know what you'll get? You can't go to trial. You're guilty. It got evident.

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I know a chick. Sorry. I know a woman that she and her girlfriend got into a shootout with the police. They robbed multiple convenience stores. I think she rammed a police car.

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and they fired at the police car with her and her girlfriend in it didn't kill her killed her girlfriend she was charged with um attempted with with her girlfriend's murder i think and i think and i could be getting some of this wrong i think it was she got charged with murder like an attempted murder of like a police officer actually no they dropped the that um

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because they found out that the police officer was, was like, he was like, she didn't actually drive towards him, but she got out on parole after a few years, like five, six years. First time, I think first or second time she was up for parole, she got out and she got like a life sentence, like a 30 year sentence or a life sentence got out in like five years or six years.

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I did an interview with her. I can't like, that is an insane sentence that you got. That really is like... Yeah, it's outrageous. So what... did you stay married to your original, to your husband that you were married?

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Yeah. I mean, honestly, that's as much as you could ask what you got was as much as you could have asked, had it been a perfect marriage? I mean, that's a lot like 10 years. That's a lot to ask of somebody. Um, but yeah. Um, wow. I think I've actually mentioned, I, I, I, I remember seeing a, a, a movie before I went to prison where the guy, it was in New York's back in the seventies.

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He, the beginning of the movie, he gets out of jail early, like six months early, you know, is overcrowding. They're releasing people. And so in the beginning credits of the movie, they show you him unpacking, you know, that the guards say, hey, overcrowding, you're in the next bunch, you're getting out. He's like, oh, can I use the phone? And, you know, I got to call my wife.

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And the guy's like, they're like, no, you got to get on the bus. So he packs his stuff right away. And the credits are rolling, gets on the bus. He's traveling, gets to the bus station, goes to call his wife. There's a line. He's got a little pass for a taxi. He gets in the taxi, drives to the house, goes in the house, walks upstairs up in this tower.

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He's in New York, downtown New York, and puts the key in the lock and goes like open the door and hears his wife inside say, honey, do you want some wine? And he stops and he looks in and he can see his wife in there. And you can hear a guy say, yeah, baby, I'll take some wine. And she walks over and you see her walk off with the wine. And he realizes, oh my gosh.

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And he kind of, for a second, you can see he's angry. And then he stops and he closes the door, unlocks it, goes downstairs, walks across the street, calls from the pay phone and says, and she answers. And she's like, hey, baby, what are you doing? How are you? He goes, listen. I got let out early because of prison overcrowding.

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I'm on my way home, but I didn't want to stop by in case you needed to clean the place up. And she says, she's like, how long till you get here? And he goes, how long do you need? Is 15 or 20 minutes long enough? She goes, yeah, it's fine. I'll have everything cleaned up by the time you get here. And he goes, OK. And she's like, I love you. And he's like, I love you, too. Hangs up the phone.

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He stands across the street at the pay phone. And like five minutes later, she comes downstairs with this guy in all of his bags and he's screaming like, I don't understand. And she helps him throw all this stuff into a taxi. And she goes, you knew what it was. You knew he was coming home. It's over. And the guy gets in the taxi and drives off and she runs upstairs.

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Then the husband wastes a minute. He goes upstairs, goes up, opens the door. The wife hugs him, says, oh my gosh, I've made dinner. He goes and sits down and she says, would you like some wine? He says, yes, I would like some wine, baby. And she goes, okay. And she goes and gets him some wine. And that's how it starts. The movie starts.

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And I remember thinking when I watched that, I remember thinking if you go to prison and That's the best you can hope for. That's it. The best you can hope for. And, you know, so I, and when I went to prison, I always thought to myself, like whoever I'm with it, that's, that's, it's over. That's, that's horrible.

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But it's just the only people I know where their marriages survived were where the husband was in prison and he was worth millions and millions and millions of dollars. And it was a short sentence, five years, maybe five years, six years, you know? So, so yeah, that's, it's a, it's a tough situation because, you know, it's, it's over.

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And, and even then, you know, they're, they're just praying that their, their spouse, you know, if the marriage is over, that the spouse, you know, still answers the phone, brings their kids, you know, that stuff like that's the best you can hope for. It's a horrible situation.

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Right.

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And so what they were, they were, you know, we talked about it before, like they were kind of cooking the books themselves or asking you to help them kind of shift money around to make it look like they had more money in reserves and, or were making more money or buying product, not spending as much on, on the materials and to make them look like they were, you know, doing really well when actually they were breaking even or losing money.

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yeah it's it's yeah you got you got lucky now you didn't get a lot of you didn't get get a lot of breaks but that was a break you know um it's prison yeah that's so 10 years in a state prison oh my god in texas oh my god as a white chick with blonde hair

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Right. Right. So when so how many times did you go to parole and get turned out? I'm assuming.

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Is that,

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Yeah. I was going to say that prisons are the mental hospitals. What mental hospitals are there? There's almost none of them. Now they just wait for you to commit a crime, and they just put you through the prison system, and it's just brutal.

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So when you did get you know, probation where you, where you were, I mean, I'm sorry. When you did get parole, where you just, you just kind of were shrugged. You were good. Just going through the motions and kind of shrugging it off. It's not like you weren't holding out hope anymore. Is that basically what I'm hearing?

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Is that like the hole, the shoe?

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Well, I think that just the operation that you explain what their business strategy is to go into an industry that's an already existing industry and then undercut their their competition, not to provide a better product or to buy, provide a more economic product, but simply to squeeze the other companies so badly that they eventually have to buy them out or maybe just bankrupt them.

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Okay. Okay. And you get out and you immediately start doing TikToks.

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That's great.

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And then of course they can double their, you know, raise all their prices and double their profit margin. If they could just outlast the other guy, like, you know, in some ways I get it like undercutting your competition by, you know, by providing maybe a, well, maybe if you just did it better, if you were just a better manufacturer, you're just better at it.

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I would think you would be, I would think you, I've been, I've had multiple people attempt to scam me and I've sent them text messages back and been like, listen, nice try. I hear you. But no, I'm not sending you the extra money that you accidentally sent me. Stop. Stop.

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I mean, that's, you know, I think that, you know, well, I mean, obviously, once again, that's like the best thing that could happen. But the other thing is that. I met so many people in prison that they don't want to be out there. They want to hide what they did. They want to try and bury any newspaper articles. They're just not willing to accept. They don't want anybody to know.

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But if that was your, simply your, your business model is I'm going to create such a problem for these guys. I'll force them to buy us out. That seems slightly. I like it. I'm not saying I don't like it, but it does seem slightly on, you know, underhanded, but you know, so yeah, So, I mean, I can kind of get that where you're like, okay, this isn't quite what I thought it was.

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It's like, okay, that's fine. That's your prerogative, but then you may be missing something. One, I think you're missing a huge opportunity just in your soul, just to be honest instead of feeling like you're hiding the whole time. And then the other thing is like, you know, if you don't tell your story, then no opportunity is going to come your way.

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Like you have to, to me, it's like I have to try and make the best of every situation. The best of your situation is being honest and it comes back to you, right? I mean, for you, that's, that's the best you could have just gone back and said, yeah, I'm going to bury my head in the sand and never talk about it again and avoid the subject.

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And maybe even have, maybe even lie if somebody were to ask me and, and, and just, you know, I'm going to change my name and I'll use the new name. And, uh, I'll, I'll, you know, like, it's like, what are you doing?

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Like, you guys are a little shysty here. So, what were the kinds of things you were doing? You had said, like, you were just shifting money around to show, basically to show that there was more money on hand.

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Um, okay. So do you have anything else you can think of you want to talk about or.

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be okay with what has happened in the past to forgive ourselves and walk with our heads up high and be proud of who we are now hey this is matt cox and if you like the video do me a favor and hit the subscribe button hit the bell so you get notified of videos just like this also share this video check out uh marcy's one her you know her instagram her tick tock but also her youtube channel

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And when I was incarcerated, I wrote a bunch of true crime books and they're all available on Amazon and Barnes and Nobles. So check out the trailers.

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Using forgeries and bogus identities, Matthew B. Cox, one of the most ingenious con men in history, built America's biggest banks out of millions. Despite numerous encounters with bank security, state, and federal authorities, Cox narrowly, and quite luckily, avoided capture for years. Eventually, he topped the U.S. Secret Service's most wanted list and led the U.S.

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Marshals, FBI, and Secret Service on a three-year chase, while jet-setting around the world with his attractive female accomplices. Cox has been declared one of the most prolific mortgage fraud con artists of all time by CNBC's American Greed. Bloomberg Businessweek called him the mortgage industry's worst nightmare, while Dateline NBC described Cox as a gifted forger and silver-tongued liar.

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Playboy magazine proclaimed his scam was real estate fraud, and he was the best. Shark in the Housing Pool is Cox's exhilarating first-person account of his stranger-than-fiction story. Available now on Amazon and Audible.

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Pierre Rossini, in the 1990s, was a 20-something year old Los Angeles-based drug trafficker of ecstasy and ice. He and his associates drove luxury European supercars. lived in Beverly Hills penthouses, and dated Playboy models while dodging federal indictments. Then, two FBI officers with the Organized Crime Drug Enforcement Task Force entered the picture.

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Dirty agents willing to fix cases and identify informants. Suddenly, two of Rossini's associates, confidential informants working with federal law enforcement, were murdered. Everyone pointed to Rossini. As his co-defendants prepared for trial, U.S.

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Attorney Robert Mueller sat down to debrief Rossini at Leavenworth Penitentiary when another story emerged, a tale of FBI corruption and complicity in murder. You see, Pierre Rossini knew something that no one else knew. And Robert Mueller and the federal government have been covering it up to this very day.

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Devil Exposed, a twisted tale of drug trafficking, corruption, and murder in the City of Angels. Available on Amazon and Audible.

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Matthew B. Cox is a conman incarcerated in the Federal Bureau of Prisons for a variety of bank fraud-related scams. Despite not having a drug problem, Cox inexplicably ends up in the prison's residential drug abuse program, known as RDAP, a drug program in name only.

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So what happened? How did that evolve? Like, you know, how did that evolve into you, you know, you basically starting to embezzle money?

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RDAP is an invasive behavior modification therapy specifically designed to correct the cognitive thinking errors associated with criminal behavior. The program is a nonfiction dark comedy which chronicles Cox's side-splitting journey. This first-person account is a fascinating glimpse at the survival-like atmosphere inside of the government-sponsored rehabilitation unit.

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While navigating the treachery of his backstabbing peers, Cox simultaneously manipulates prison policies and the bumbling staff every step of the way. The program. How a conman survived the Federal Bureau of Prisons cult of RDAP. Available now on Amazon and Audible.

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If you saw anything you like, links to all the books are in the description box.

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So they've got... they've got your, your human resources and they've got you doing their books.

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He's been known to cure insecurity just with his laugh. His organ donation card lists his charisma. His smile is so contagious. Vaccines have been created for it. He is the most interesting man in the world.

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I don't typically commit crime, but when I do, it's bank fraud. Stay greedy, my friends.

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You don't give all that impression to me, but I understand. Or I was going to say, or maybe just that, hey, this is a person that's got multiple children. She's a small town girl. She's going to be impressed with us. And this is somebody that I think we can manipulate. Somebody that's, you know, someone that, you know, we build up some loyalty with her and I think she'll work with us.

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Hey, this is Matt Cox and I'm here with Marcy Simmons. She did, I want to say 10 years in prison. I'm probably off for embezzlement. And she's got a super interesting TikTok account. And she's just started a YouTube channel and she does shorts and TikToks. And so check this out. Where were you born?

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So, and I think you, you get that feel. I know as a mortgage broker, when I was asking people to do things that they shouldn't have done, I could always kind of tell this is somebody that I can, I can work with. And I usually know that right away, right away. And so, you know, it wasn't, it wasn't hard for me to tell. I think, you know, I think a fisherman knows a fisherman.

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You know, like they kind of think, you know, and, you know, you kind of tell when somebody is in a desperate spot. Like I've had people that were in desperate spots and and and thought, yeah, I can get him to do it. Why? Well, because if we yank the account from him, he loses seven thousand dollars a month or five or three thousand dollars a month. And he needs that.

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I know he needs that because he's building a new house or I know he needs that because he was telling me about that. You know, so that's going to hurt. Right. Or he asked me the other day if I could give him more work. So if I yanked a little bit of work he is getting. So, you know, I think you start to feel that ability to, you know, who's who's able to be manipulated. So, you know, I don't know.

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Anyway, so well, so how long did this take place over what period of time?

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I mean, did it, did it ever come up?

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We need boxes. Everybody needs boxes. We're a major factor. So, yeah, I was going to say... I, you know, there was a scam the other day that I read about this guy had made like over a million dollars just by billing, coming up with invoices and billing random companies like, like Amazon, Google, like large, massive companies.

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He would send in an invoice and if they, and they would just, sometimes they would pay them, you know, they get them and they pay. Sometimes they call and he'd say, oh, that was a mistake. Yeah. I don't know what that was for. Yeah. Okay. Okay. And then sometimes they would just pay them, you know, a couple hundred here, 200 here, 300 here, 50 bucks here.

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Like, and I remember looking back when I was running my company, I only had like 12 guys working for me, but I was paying little bills all the time, $80 to some company that provides, you know, toner or something for a computer or just random little bills that we would get. And I would just pay them. Not listen. Half the time I was like, I don't even know what this is for.

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Like how we buy a lot of toner from different companies. Like that's crazy. You know, I just pay it. It's only $80. You just pay it and keep going. Like it's $80. Wasn't worth looking into. So I could see not looking into, I mean, you weren't, it's not like you were taking $10,000, right?

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Somebody shot a cop. Somebody shot a cop. And he was like on the run. Yeah. And they were trying to find him.

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Can you escape? I'm looking at a picture of it right now. Yeah, it's literally an island with one bridge. Long bridge coming in.

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They're talking about spinning it. They're talking about it. Maybe, you know, getting an article written that says that makes it sound more like it's a mistake that I, that they were, they were erroneously, you know, prosecuted and that it was, there was these other guys and they got thrown in there, you know, whatever.

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And it was always just like, you know, man, you're going to be running from this the rest of your life. Like,

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Especially now it wouldn't have been 30 years ago. Yeah. You could get out, move to another city, start over and nobody ever has a clue.

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Yeah. I used to always, I used to, you know, always say, listen, everybody likes a comeback story.

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You know, what's the problem? Like, You just turn it into a comeback story, turn it into a story of redemption. People love that.

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Pierre Rossini, in the 1990s, was a 20-something-year-old Los Angeles-based drug trafficker of ecstasy and ice. He and his associates drove luxury European supercars, lived in Beverly Hills penthouses, and dated Playboy models while dodging federal indictments. Then, two FBI officers with the Organized Crime Drug Enforcement Task Force entered the picture.

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Dirty agents willing to fix cases and identify informants. Suddenly, two of Rossini's associates, confidential informants working with federal law enforcement, were murdered. Everyone pointed to Rossini. As his co-defendants prepared for trial, U.S. Attorney Robert Mueller sat down to debrief Rossini at Leavenworth Penitentiary. another story emerged.

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A tale of FBI corruption and complicity in murder. You see, Pierre Rossini knew something that no one else knew. The truth. And Robert Mueller and the federal government have been covering it up to this very day. Devil Exposed. A twisted tale of drug trafficking, corruption, and murder in the City of Angels. Available on Amazon and Audible.

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What's going on? Tell me about yourself.

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Tampa, Florida.

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Where are you located?

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Yeah, well, I mean, are you thinking about doing another documentary like that one?

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That's kind of a documentary.

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You're just breaking it into episodes.

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Yeah, something's not right. Like usually you qualify for. for less than you think. You know what I'm saying? Usually you're looking for 200,000.

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Yeah. You got to, yeah. Well, the big problem is a lot of people, oh, I qualify for it or I want, I'll figure a way out. Figuring a way out doesn't mean you qualify like that. I can afford it. You think you can afford it. Like if one or two things go wrong, and you go into the hole, then you don't qualify for it because all that's taken into consideration.

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All your students were, eh, it's a few points. What about, like, did you say, like, if you could qualify, but, you know, you couldn't quite qualify, you didn't have enough money, but the guy you were working with was willing to alter some things and they were kind of like, yeah, I don't see that's a big deal. Well, I mean, all of that's fraud.

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Well, once they started getting going, the second one, once you prodded them a little bit, they started... The problem is that you can always kind of tell what someone's thinking by the questions.

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When they start to, well, how did you get caught? Well, is this still possible? Well, it's like, hey, hey, hey.

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What are you doing?

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Well, I was going to say, for instance, me being the broker between the customer and underwriting, you know, when I was like, well, how did you even catch this? And they go, well, like they think we're on the same team. Listen to what we did. What'd you do? And as they're telling me how they caught my customer, they're actually telling me how to beat their system.

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I have the three C's going for me that I was I said, I'm Caucasian, I'm confident and I'm clean cut.

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they would and and you know it's like so you don't you just don't expect it like especially when i know what they're looking for they're looking for me to get nervous and try and leave they're looking like there's all these things i know like it's i'd be at the teller and they'd say oh well i have to call oh there's something's up with the account i've got to call and get authorization and i go all right and i just lean there and i look around and look at the

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I'm looking at the cameras and looking around and they're expecting me to leave or be nervous. I'm not nervous. I opened the account. I know what you're going to find. I know it's a new account. I know I'm removing over $3,000. Any account open within the last 12 months is going to get that. They have to make a phone call. I know they're going to review it.

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They've reviewed it before at all the other banks. They do it. So I'm okay with that.

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Right. But most people, why didn't you run? Why would I run? I know what's happening right now. And the worst was if something happens and they say something is absolutely wrong. Do you know what they're going to do? I'm sorry. We can't help you.

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That's it.

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Everybody thinks they're going to call the police. They're going to have you arrested. They're not doing any of that. They don't know what the issue is. I've actually had accounts shut down where you go online and I went to go transfer money and the account has been, it's inactive. And it's like, I've got like $150,000, $200,000 in that account.

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And then you call them and the bank says, yeah, we need you to come in so we can talk about this. Because think about it. If it's fraud, you're not coming in. Jumped in my car. I'm driving down there. You got $150,000 of my money. Because I know that I opened the account. I know where that money came from.

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I know that the person's identity, you didn't go talk to this guy because he lives under a bridge somewhere. So you didn't track him down.

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Right. So I walk in. I sit down. I'm like, somebody better make some phone calls. We need to get this thing taken care of.

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Right. Well, if you threw a little ghetto in there, Did your head, did that head thing, you know, you might get the cops call.

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I was going to say, what is another one of the scams that you go over in the book?

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Oh, is this for like cancer patients?

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They just didn't react well to the, they didn't take the medicine correctly. They were already, it's a good chance he was going to die anyway.

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He wanted to make a million dollar donation to the church. So he was a good Christian.

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So giving to the church was more important to him than helping save people.

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Yeah, they're going to be sick. They're going to get tired afterwards. They're going to. But you were saying he just diluted it.

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Yeah. That was your whole goal. It wasn't an accident. It wasn't an accident. Oops, I deposited that check into my own account. It wasn't that. No.

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No, I understand. It is amazing that those two people were so in sync with-

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No, I'm not talking the relationship, but that you just happen to get like the nurse. I understand the nurse catching. I've got 30 patients. And in the last two weeks, almost none of them have gotten sick. Like that's odd. Like I've been doing this for 10 years.

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Right. The fact that both of them were aware enough to connect that and both of them go, something's not right. Most people just don't do that. Most people go through their jobs.

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Well, I understand. It's just that either one of them, it's lucky for the patients that they were both, that they both had that conversation. They both, she happened to mention it.

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Right. That whole thing, like that's a quint.

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So horrible. Total scumbag, like move. And not just that, like that's not even like that straight. Well, that that's that's just, you know, that's just fucking vicious. Think about it. That's not saying, hey, I'm going to take $40 from 100,000 people. Nobody's hurt. $40, come on. You overcharge somebody's visa $40 or something, you know.

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Yeah. You got like a night, probably it depends on the cancer, obviously, but you might have between a 70 to a 95% chance that it's, it's going to work. Not with this guy.

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No, no, not with this guy.

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Gosh, I was just thinking it's funny because I have a buddy in the gym business and his father knew a guy in Canada that. So are you a member of a gym like L.A. Fitness or something?

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You know how once a year like you pay your forty dollars a month and once a year they hit you up for like fifty nine dollars. So everybody kind of expects it. Like if you've been there a year or two, they, of course you, you hit, you get that $59 and you're all like, damn it. What the, what's this? And they go, look, it's an annual fee. It's in your contract. We'd always do it.

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Oh yeah, that's right. That's right. He has a, he had a buddy, his father had a buddy who ran a gym and, and also I knew his father, he ran the gyms. So in Canada, this guy made millions. But every two or three years, he would hit everybody across the board for like $39. Just ran it. This guy's a multimillionaire. He's got like 20 gyms. He's got, you know, he lives in a $4 million house.

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Like he's filthy rich. But every three or four years, he just hit them across the board. And he said, anybody that complained. He gave them their money back. He said, but like 75 to 80% of the people did not complain. He said, or if you called up and you said, oh yeah, that's our annual fee. And they would go, no, no, the annual fees you took out six months ago. And they go, we did?

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Hold on, let me check. Oh, you're right. I'll refund that. Sorry, you got thrown in with the wrong bash and they give them the money back. He said 75% of the people didn't complain. And so he would just keep the money. He said, you know, it was nice. You get an extra, you make an extra half a million dollars for no reason. You know, it's a nice little perk. Well, he'd been doing it for like,

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done it four or five times over 10 or 15 years. And at some point there was an investigation and he got in trouble and it was, ended up being like $6 million or something outrageous. And he had to do, he got three years. I think he did six months in jail. And then the rest of it, he said, you know, it's Canada.

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So the rest of it, you know, they put an ankle monitor on you and tell you to go sit in front of your TV and do it in your living room. And he's a multimillionaire. So you can imagine like, that's nothing. Like he gets to live in this big house. He doesn't even have to work. That sounds torturous, right? Not really. But that's minor. Like that's a minor scam.

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Right. That's what I'm saying. And he probably said for each one of those patients, who knows how much money he saved.

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Mm hmm.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like what was each patient worth to him? A thousand bucks, 800 bucks, $40, $2,000. I mean, it's cancer medication. They're probably.

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It's just terrible. Trying to make that donation. He's a good Christian. He's,

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Oh, hey, I have a question. So did you get funding for your documentary or did you just...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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In the end, did you recoup all that money?

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Are you still trying?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So you, so you, you went to Netflix and what did you, so you ended up doing it yourself. Did you try and do a sizzle reel to get funding?

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And you didn't partner with a production company that had already done?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, yeah, I was going to say that, but now you can say I've had a, you know, my, My documentary ran on Netflix. It's currently on – What would you rather have?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But if you do another one, then you're that much further ahead if you did another doc.

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I'm sure I could manipulate my answers to make it look that way, but. Yeah, I don't think so.

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You have to do a sizzle and you have to be able to walk into Netflix and have them say, look, we're going to give you a million dollars to do this project.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, you're very negative.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So listen, I'm going to tell you something. This is good for a scam. So I know, and I'm not going to tell you the name of the guy. So I knew a guy, I know a guy that I've dealt with and we've been on, you know, he's actually been on like, I don't want to say we've, we've had some interactions and after we'd had several interactions and talks and, you know, he, he says, listen,

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Like, I feel comfortable with you. I'm going to tell you something. I said, okay. So he calls me back. He goes, I'm only telling you this because you're the only person that will really understand what I did and appreciate it. He said, because I can't tell anybody else. I said, okay, what'd you do? So he wrote a book. He said, the book did okay.

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I said, okay. So he made up a fake producer. He gave him a LinkedIn account. He connected him to a bunch of projects. He got him an IMBD. What is it called?

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Yeah. He started a website, got him an email, paid for everything, started a little production company. He's like, totally looks legit. And then he did a press release about how this guy had optioned his book. He said, as soon as I optioned it through the website, he was contacted by, it wasn't Warner Brothers, but it was someone like underneath, let's say, Sony or something.

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So now the fake producer was contacted and they said, look, we're interested in buying out the option. So he said they then bought out the option from this fake producer. He said, like, I'm signing a name. He's signing. I'm signing names. I'm doing this. Like he said, so they end up buying out the option.

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And, and I, when he was telling me that he said, he's like, and I'm telling you right now, but they're talking about this actor and this one and this one. And then there was, by the way, then in the Hollywood reporter or near, they then did a newspaper report about how they just bought this from that producer. Who's nobody. Like he was telling me, like, I looked it up. I was like, this is nuts.

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And he goes, yeah. And I said, and I remember thinking to myself, the likelihood that movie, that book gets turned into a movie. Let's face it. They option two, 3000 a year and they never get made. Three of them get made. So I thought, okay, well, I said, yeah, that's pretty cool. And he said, yeah, right now they're auditioning or talking to these actors. Once again, they do that.

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They'll connect an actor to a film. He said, so-and-so is writing the screenplay. Okay, still doesn't matter. I've been in that situation. It never went anywhere. But guess what? They started filming the thing about three months ago. And he said, as soon as it's done, he said, I'll come on your program and I'll tell the whole story. And I said, that's incredible.

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Right?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That's a good one. You've been in that situation. You know the idea of being able to do that, having the forethought. I mean, wow.

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I got 26 years and four months. But I don't like to say the four months. I typically just say 26 years. Because if you say four months, it's like you're whining about it.

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Just shy of 13 years. Yeah, I know. But it's the first decade that's the hardest. The last three years just flew by. My favorite question of all time that I've ever gotten is, and this is just a narcissist in me, is that this one student said, this female student goes, do you feel like you got away with it for so long because you're so charming? And I mean, I started laughing so hard.

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I was like, I wish I had recorded. I was like, that's the best question ever. But anyway, but I like writing. So I wake up early and I write and and I write stories and I like crime stories. I don't really like violent crime stories. I have an aversion to violence for some reason, but I like scam stories.

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He wanted to make a million dollar donation to the church. This guy made millions. But every two or three years, he would hit everybody across the board for like thirty nine dollars. Just ran it. This guy's a multimillionaire. He's got like 20 gyms. He's, he's got, you know, he lives in a, in a $4 million house. Like he's, he's filthy rich.

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You were a little upset when they were saying, yeah, that makes sense. I would do that. And you were like, what?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I like interesting, unique criminals that did things uniquely or maybe in an ingenious way of some kind. So that's typically what I stick with.

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I owned a mortgage company. took advantage of that system, went on the run for three years between 15 million and 55 million, semi-colon depending, or yeah, semi-colon, but depending on who you believe. And ultimately I was caught and sentenced to 26 years.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yes. Now keep in mind in the federal system, you do 85% of your time. So I cooperated. Um, I was asked to be interviewed by Dateline NBC News, which I was. I was asked to be interviewed. This was by the U.S. attorney. I was asked to be interviewed by American Greed, which I was. I was then asked to write an ethics and fraud course.

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which I did, which is taught to the nations of mortgage brokers, had to take like four hours of ethics and fraud. I wrote a course that a national, one or actually two of the national schools teach. I also wrote a federal red flags rules course. And we then turned around and after a lot of legal battling, we got the government to reduce my sentence by seven years.

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Then, as soon as I came back onto the... I went to court and got seven years knocked off, came back. I was walking the track with this guy who was actually cooperating in his case. His name was Ron Wilson. He'd stolen $57 million in the largest Ponzi scheme in South Carolina history. We were talking and

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He was basically explaining to me that he was, he didn't think he didn't believe that the government was going to give him a reduction in his sentence for his cooperation because they thought he was still hiding money. And at some point after months of just walking around, he told me where he'd hidden a bunch of Ponzi scheme or that he had actually given a couple of people money to keep for him.

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So what did you do? I, I happened to be, it's, this is what's so funny. I'd love to say I got on the phone and called my attorney and, But I didn't think the government would give me anything for anything else. They didn't want to give me the first reduction. We had to go to court and fight to get that reduction. So a month or so later, I was ordering my transcripts.

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I had my lawyer sending me my transcripts for my reduction because I wanted to include it in part of my book. I was still kind of writing my book. And we were talking on the phone and she just happened to say, So she was like, yeah, yeah, I'm going to order those. I'm sorry. I forgot. You know, OK, OK. I said, OK, well, let me know. I said, thank you very much.

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And she was like, so what's going on? What's going on? Like this woman never wanted to talk to me. They don't want to talk. We're not friends. And I was like, what's going on? What do you mean? She goes, what's going on in there? Anything happen? I went, no. And she goes, OK, nothing, nothing. And I just was like it was almost like I was like. I said, you know what?

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Something happened the other day. Listen to this. And I told her. I told her what happened. She says, well, let me look into it. A week later, I get told by a correctional officer, hey, you got to go to SIS, which is a department. So I go to this department and they say they put me on the phone with somebody. They said, hey, you got to talk to this guy. He's a Secret Service agent.

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And he says, listen, I understand that you know where Ron Wilson hid Ponzi scheme money. And I said, I mean, I do. But it's not a lot. And I said, I need something in writing saying you'll give me a reduction. And he said, yeah, no problem. So they got me something.

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Yeah, I became a cross.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I was just saying, see, inmates have a different word for it. You're a DLL snitch. So is that what you are?

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Is that what people thought of you?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. But I'm, you know, it was funny because there's all like, you're not, I'm not advertising it, but if somebody were to say like, cause they knew I went to court, got my sentence cut. Like guys were like, Oh bro, I heard you cooperate. I'm like, right. And well, uh, that's some bullshit. I go over this, bro. I didn't come here to make friends.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, look, at the medium, you might've needed some friends, but I did three years in the medium and then I went to the low. And honestly, a lot of that is for guys that are in like penitentiaries and in the federal system, the bulk of inmates cooperate. You know, I used to, they say like 95% of them cooperated, but 100% are lying about it. So, you know, and I could, I would sit there and

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you'd be in the unit and guys would sit there and talk about, you know, oh, snitches this, snitches that. And I'd say, well, let's do the math. And you would sit back and say, there's 150 guys in this unit, 95% cooperated. We know that it's not these 10 guys because they all went to trial so they didn't have an option.

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We know it's not these, you start doing the math and you go, so that means there's five people in this unit that did not cooperate. And of course, there'd be five or six of us standing around and I'd go, and I'll bet it's every one of you guys. So, Yeah, so I talked to SIS. I talked to the Secret Service. And eventually they indicted that guy, Ron Wilson, and the two people working with him.

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They recovered half a million dollars. And once again, government didn't want to give me anything. So we had to file paperwork and fight them in court. And I got another five years knocked off my sentence. By the time I got that five years knocked off my sentence, now it's 12 years knocked off my sentence. I'm basically leaving.

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I'd already been locked up seven or eight years, or no, eight or nine years by that point. So within a year or two, I was transferred. So it ended up being 12 years and change.

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Well, one, I'd been on the run for three years.

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I'd essentially abandoned my family anyway. How hard was that? Well, you know, I had a son, I had a little boy, but I was divorced from his mom and I'm basically a weekend dad. So like every two weeks he's coming over for the weekend and maybe you pick him up on a Wednesday and he's three years old and he doesn't even really know who I am that much.

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You know, he knows I'm daddy, but mommy has a new boyfriend and that guy's living in the house. So, you know, so I'm more like an older uncle that buy, picks him up and buys him toys and that's great. Um, So leaving him, you know, it's like, I can't, I'm not taking, I can't take him with me. I'm not raising him anyway. So that was, that was the worst part, that and leaving my mother.

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My dad was always such a, just a real jerk. He just really was. Like my dad, you know, like growing up, it's funny because one of the things I'm always asked is, you know, oh, well, why did you do it? And, you know, initially I always say, well, I did it for the money. But then you write a book.

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And then you think deeper.

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And you have to really think about it. And you start reading books about how to write books and how to write a memoir and how to. And I probably read three of them while I was locked up before I even started writing. And and while I was writing and, you know, you start realizing there's just different techniques. And I think ultimately it ended up being like, yeah, that doesn't make sense.

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Because when you when you first started committing fraud, it was a little bit here, a little bit there. And nobody knew that fraud had been committed. And you got the money, you got 100,000 and then you got 300,000 and then it was 500. So you had the money. You didn't need the money now. But why are you still doing it? And it just continued and continued and continued.

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And even when I got called, why didn't you start over? Why didn't you move into your parents' spare room, claim bankruptcy and start your life over again? You could be a car salesman. You could do lots of things. Why didn't you do that? So I really, when it boils down to it, I think it was just a fact that I was raised by a very narcissistic father.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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who was disappointed you know was not the son he wanted he's five foot ten you know good looking athletic smart everything came pretty easily to him you know made him you know you know had nothing growing up and was now making hundreds of thousands a year and i'm a kid that has struggling with dyslexia is not great at sports You know what I'm saying? Like I was not the son he wanted or deserved.

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And probably made you feel guilty for that every chance you could.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, yeah. It was always the snide comments. But what's great is when I started making money, he really started respecting me. Like I opened a mortgage. Like I graduated high school with C's, graduated college with A's. And then it was still with a degree in fine arts. And I remember as I was graduating, he said, He said, yeah, you got a degree in fine arts.

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He said, with that degree, probably your best course of action nowadays is you'll be drawing sweaty tourists at Disney World to think about moving to Orlando. I was like, wow, it's a four-year degree. So anyway, I end up becoming a mortgage broker, ended up opening my own mortgage company. Now I'm making money. I own real estate. I had like $50,000. more than 50 properties within a few years.

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I'm doing great. So, so yeah, I continue to commit fraud. And then eventually I got caught and he was like, wait, wait, wait.

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You do like them? Yeah, I don't have a problem. Like typically whistleblowers do stuff like some companies overbilling the government or some company is cheating its customers in some way or lying to the public or something. It's like, Why would someone have a problem with those people doing the right thing? For instance, look at the guy with with gosh, he did the Ponzi scheme.

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I mean, from the very, you have to understand the very first fraud I ever committed had what our very first loan I ever did had fraud in it.

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You have to understand, I like banked everything on being a mortgage broker. I had to go away to be a mortgage broker. I paid the fee. I took the class. I passed. I started working knowing I'm not going to make any money for at least 30 days. And I was working 80 hours a week. I was there before everybody stayed till 8, 9, 10 o'clock at night. They gave me a key. So by the time

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I had a couple of loans going, like I'm a month behind on my car payment. Might've been two. You know, my mortgage is behind, like it's not good. So I really need this loan to close. And it turns out that I brought the loan file into my manager and she opens the file and she's fumbling through the paperwork. And there's one document she pulled and put to the side.

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And she said, it's a perfect file, looks great. But on the verification of rent for your borrower, she was 30 days late on her rent in the last two years. That's a deal killer. It's over. You're not lending money to somebody who pays their rent late. They're going to pay their mortgage late if they paid at all. So I just was like, oh, my God.

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And I remember she, she, while she was telling me this, she pulled out a bottle of white out, you know, the old ones, not the spit, but when one of the stars, she's like, yeah, so here's what's the problem is. They're going, what's okay. What's with the, you know, and then she handed it to me. She said, so if I was you, I would wipe that out.

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I would make a copy of it and stick it back in the file. She goes, they'll never catch it. I was like,

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that's fraud i could go to jail and she goes worst that happens is you get fired nobody's calling the fbi you'll be fine she's i do it all the time it's gonna be fine there's a lot of documents in there and i was like wow so i trusted her i whited it out put put put the document back in there sent it to underwriting three four days later i'm freaking out for three or four days like i didn't sleep for four days so three four days later they call me they say hey we're ready to close

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And we closed. We closed a few days later. I got a check for like $3,500. I'm thrilled.

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Yeah. But the next guy that came in made $52,000 a year. If he made $57,000, he could get the loan.

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So now the fine arts degree seems like a good idea. So now I'm changing the- $52,000 to $57,000.

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And all the corresponding-

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Not always. Like sometimes if it was something small, I didn't say anything. Like I'd rather have them deny it. If they were, they were going to be asked.

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Well, I mean, I'm not sure. Initially, like you said, it started small. It was just to get... Get the loans closed. Get my commission. Get the next person. You know, let's let's get this.

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You know, this is the thing.

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Bernie Madoff with Bernie Madoff. That guy spent four or five years begging the authorities to listen to him. I mean, I'm sorry.

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Well, I mean, obviously you want these people to get into the house, right? And before opening my mortgage company, I'd worked for another mortgage company and their credit line got shut off at one point. And I remember getting phone calls from people where they had packed their stuff up in U-Haul vans because they have to be out of the house.

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And they're calling me like, listen, you said we were going to close. I'm like, yeah, I thought we were going to close. The credit line got shut off. I don't know what's happening. They're looking for new investors. It didn't typically happen, but they were approving people that with only one outlet to sell those loans. And when that got shut off, they turned around and went to other ones.

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They didn't have it. So I've got people ready to close. People's leases are up. They have to be out of their house or their apartment or whatever. They're loading up new halls because we're being told, give it a few more days in a week. We don't know what to tell your customers. So I do remember feeling desperate when people are telling me like, you know, we're staying in a hotel.

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Because it's their life.

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Right.

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I mean, yeah. But I mean, I would love to sit there and say it was, you know, altruistic. But, you know, the truth is.

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Yeah. Well, once it got away from me at some point, at some point when I started my own company, now I've got my brokers coming to me. They need their loans to close. They need a W-2 change or they need a bank statement change. Or then and then it got to the point where it was like it's such a pain to change bank statements like it's easier now.

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If I just create my own bank online and come up with my own bank statements.

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Logos and everything, processes and all.

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Right. And then I can just, then they walk in and pretty much everybody that came in the door, if they thought there was going to be an issue with their bank, they just put down that they worked at, or their bank was one of their banks.

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Cox Bank.

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No, it was Bank of Ybor.

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there was a place ybor city in tampa it was bank of ybor and they'd still put down their own banks they just have two banks and so if we needed if they didn't have the quite enough money in their bank or they needed reserves or whatever world but oh yeah well i've got an extra 15 000 in bank of ybor oh i didn't know well yeah i can give you the bank statement and they could call the bank you know we had some we would answer put them on hold tell them hold on just you know i'll check you can you please it wasn't it was it was a whole no it was all sham

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He went in and had presentations and they just shrugged it off and laugh. And it was like, no, no, you can say, Oh, well you should have minded those own business. He, there were thousands of people that lost their life savings because that could have been saved if they'd listened to him the very first time or done even a cursory investigation and looked into it.

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It's all a sham. And there were multiple banks. There was probably like two or three banks. There was three banks, actually.

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I was going to say, so what happened was eventually I ended up getting in trouble.

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Well, I mean, I got in trouble a lot. What made it go from changing W-2s to... So when I was listening to your – you discussed the different types of perpetrators, right, or whatever, scammers. So initially I started off, I believe, as I was just an opportunist. I was just in the right place at the right time. I needed it to happen.

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But then at some point, someone who had worked for me, she went and opened up her own company. she got in trouble with the FBI and wore a wire on me, she and her husband, because she knew what I was doing. And what I was doing was one of the ways that I got so many rental properties, my wife and I got so many rental properties is I would buy a property and then I would sell it.

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I'd renovate it and then sell it to my ex-wife. So there's something called seasoning where if you buy a property, you have to wait a certain period of time before you can refinance it. So instead, if I buy it, fix it up and sell it, I can supersede that with it. Um, whatever I can, I can get around that.

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And what happened is when I'm selling it to my wife, we're not telling the lender, this, my wife, we tell her just some clients, like she never took my last name specifically for this purpose. So we ended up getting several million dollars worth of property very quickly within about a year or so. All she has to do is collect rent, raise my son. So we're doing fine.

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Well, this other, this person that used to work for me ended up telling the FBI so that obviously she could get a reduction in her sentence. And so now I'm, I, get in trouble with the FBI. I ended up taking a plea deal. I take three, three years probation, but I can't, I can't own my mortgage company now.

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So I decided what I was going to do was, is like, that's where it was like, okay, well you could claim bankruptcy and start over. Right.

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So I was in the middle of the divorce.

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Yeah, it was, it was stressful. So, um, so I was getting divorced.

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From the woman that you owned all the properties with.

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Yes. Yes. You don't want to be married to a felon.

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No, she I would know that. Listen, definitely. I mean, but it's right.

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Oh, no, she absolutely did. But and here's what's really funny. What's really funny is my lawyer. When I got my lawyer, here's what he told me. He said, listen, to be honest with you, like, how close are you with your wife? And I went, what do you mean? He said, listen, because he knew I was living somewhere else by that point. If that makes sense, like we were already having problems.

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So he was like, I mean, how close are you with it? Like, are you getting divorced? I was like, probably. Yeah. He said he was because all the loans are in her name. Like he's like, I mean, he said, I could if you were to cooperate and you were to cooperate against some of your mortgage brokers, I could keep you from being indicted at all. She'd be indicted. They'd be indicted.

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They could have saved thousands of people who are now living with their kids or had to sell their house who lost everything. Because this guy was just trying to do the right thing.

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It's like, yeah, listen, this this this woman hates my guts already. Like I'm already in danger. Like she she's she could cut you. She's an angry person. And I said, I'm I'm and she's raising my son. And I said, now I said, besides, I'm just going to get probation. So I end up. I paid my lawyer $75,000 to give me probation.

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And of course, now that I know how the sentencing guidelines work, I realized like, what a shyster. I was never facing prison time. Like I could have gotten a public defender for that. So anyway, the point is, is that I plead guilty and I can't own the mortgage company anymore. So I decided I'm going to start a development company and start renovating houses. But there's issues with that.

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To get the money, you need money. Obviously you need capital. And my issue with that was that I was going to start renovating houses, but in the area, Ybor City, where I was going to renovate them, which is just outside of Tampa, it's Tampa. Properties are selling for like, the average price is like 75,000. So you can buy a house for, let's say, 40,000, put 20 in it, sell it for 100.

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Maybe you make 30 or 40 grand or 30, more like 25 or 30 grand. That's it. So I need to be able to get these houses to appraise higher. So that's a problem. Well, the way you determine how much a house, the value of a house is a comparable sales. So I need to be able to compare these houses to houses higher. And the way you can. So I started dating a girl at a title company and she.

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And so I asked her, hey, how can I like if I buy a house and I sell it for a hundred, if I buy it for 50, how can I record the sale at 200? And she said, oh, well, you'd have to pay the extra dock stamps and you'd have to switch out. the transaction form. And I said, okay, so I do that. I pay the extra doc stamps, which is nothing. It's like an extra thousand dollars in doc stamps.

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And I buy a house for 50,000. I recorded it 200 and it shows up like a week later in public records as being a sale for 200,000. So I decided I'm gonna start buying these houses and recorded the values higher. But the problem is people in that area don't buy houses for 200,000. So I need borrowers that will buy houses for 200,000.

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And the problem with that is if you find those borrowers, they can only borrow so many. And the other problem with those people are that they want part of the profit and I don't want to give them part of the profit. So what I decided was I was just going to start making my own borrowers because that's really the go-to move.

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You created fictitious people?

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Yeah. Yeah. Synthetic identities. I figured out how to get social security to issue social security numbers to children that don't exist. Right. So I make a fake birth certificate for like an eight month old girl. And then I go into Social Security and I say, here's my birth certificate and here's my shot record.

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Because if the kids over 12 months old, you have to actually show up with it with the baby. Well, I don't have a baby to show up with. It's 11 or 13 or 14 months old. So but if you just show up with a shot record and the birth certificate, you're good. So I do that and I start getting these people. And. You probably, well, you're not a psychiatrist, so I was going to say this is probably. Okay.

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So I was going to say I named the people, not all of them, but most of them were names like Michael White, James Redd, Lee Black, Brandon Green, William Blue. Common names.

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yeah common names that somebody might actually be named that no no like the thing about the last names black red white green yeah so there was a movie called from quentin tarantino called reservoir dogs and he gave everybody names like that mr pink mr black mr and i i love that movie so you know i started naming these characters those names i got them all through three secure credit cards made the payments for six months and after six months they have 750 credit scores

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It evolved. I knew the credit system. I knew how these things worked. I knew I could take advantage of that system.

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What's interesting is how easy it is to do.

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Once you're in the system and if you can poke around and figure, especially if you're in a position where you can learn through trial and error. Every time I made a mistake, I learned a little bit more, a little bit more. I was able to If a bank blamed, so if a bank found out about it and came to me and said, this is what we just found out, I'd say, are you serious?

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You're telling me my customer sent me that?

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And the customer, you created.

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Well, no, I'm saying if it was a real customer at the old, because I learned most of this while I was a mortgage broker, changing their documents. So if they caught something, I'd be like, you're telling me my customer gave me a fake W-2? He seemed so honest. And I'd say, well, I'm not doing that loan for him. Hey, by the way, how'd you figure that out? And they'd say, oh, well, it turns out this.

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Really? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, okay. And then I'd alter it and send it to another lender and then it'd go through and they'd close the loan. So I feel bad. So what happens is I start creating these fake people. I raise the value. I start buying these houses for 40 and 50,000. recording the values of the houses at 200, 220, whatever, 190, 250. And so the whole area raises up through the roof.

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And my borrowers, each borrower buys five, sometimes six houses, refinances those houses after a month or so, pulls out 150,000, 100, 150,000, whatever the appraisal came in at. like 80, 95%, 90%. And so once each one of them got to around a million, 1.1 million, 1.2 million, and I'd make the payments, of course, then I just stopped paying.

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And the houses would go into foreclosure and the bank would take the house back and the bank would send out an appraiser to say, hey, how much is this house worth? And the appraiser would once again say, it's worth 220,000. And they'd put it on the market and it wouldn't sell. And then they lower the price. Three months later, they lowered the price again.

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Three months later, they lowered it again. Eventually, they'd end up selling it for $70,000 or $50,000 or whatever. And they'd lose $100,000. They'd say, man, that's crazy. I can't believe how off we were on that. Yeah, that happened. So they didn't know there was a scam that had been committed.

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Oh, all the money's gone. No, they owe the bank $180,000, $210,000. And the bank just takes the loss because that does happen. People buy houses for $200,000 and then they foreclose on them and they resell the house. And sometimes they get $110,000. Sometimes they get $140,000. By the time the house is taken back, it's been trashed. And after a year, the windows are knocked out.

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Someone stole the copper. The AC doesn't work. And so they sell the house at an extreme loss. So the banks never – they never thought fraud. It's now been a year or two since they've gotten these – or a year or so since they got these documents. There's no way to verify anything.

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And if they did look into it, like if they started – they obviously sent letters or they'd send somebody by to try and serve you with paperwork for the foreclosure, I would – type up a letter, type up an article.

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I take an article from the newspaper and I'd insert my borrower's name into the article saying like there was a 12 car pile up on I-75 and someone was life flighted to Tampa General Hospital. And I put Mr. Black in there. And then I'd write a letter from Mr. Black's sister saying my brother was in a horrible accident. He's currently in a coma.

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Listen, look, you look it up. The amount of articles that are out there. They even talk about Mr. Black, Mr. Green. They're like, they talk to investigators for the bank and the investigator for the bank says, listen, I couldn't tell if this guy was alive or dead. His, his, his address was a P or his address was a mailboxes, et cetera, account. His like starts naming off all these things.

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That's sort of the vigilante whistleblower.

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He's like, I couldn't even figure out if he was alive, if he'd ever been alive. So, yeah. So it was, it was.

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I borrowed like $11.5 million about 18 months.

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No, I never did because I'm not really a flashy person. I didn't have a Porsche or a Lamborghini. I had an expensive Audi sports car. I actually lived in an area called Tampa Heights, which was kind of an up-and-coming area. It was being kind of urban renewal kind of thing, you know? And I owned a bunch of houses in that area. I had almost every house on my block and was renovating them.

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Kind of like a Karen. You're parked in the wrong... You can't park... Like, Maya, what are you doing?

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But the project was a mile, two miles away. And so I didn't live super flashy. I traveled. I had money. I could do whatever I wanted. But I'm not living in a $2 million house. I'm on federal probation. I'm not trying to. I wasn't trying to.

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Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and it's funny, too, because my probation officer showed up at my office one time, and I had, I'm telling you, I must have had seven or eight phones, cell phones on the credenza behind my desk. And I just was thinking, like, this guy's got to ask some questions here. Like, that's not normal. Like, he's got to say, what's up with these phones? But he never did.

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He just, hey, what's going on? I don't think they're trained anymore. to look for fraud.

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I got 26 years. First of all, there's two things. One, I got 26 years. Listen, I didn't even tell you about going on the run for three years, but we don't want to get into that.

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But it was minor like these are like break ins. And this is like these are my days to break in. Well, one time only because I didn't have insurance when I got broken into. So then I went out and got homeowner's insurance and I waited about a month and a half and then I called the police and said I got broke into. And then I maximize the policy.

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$9,000.

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Here's the receipts.

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I would create receipts or something. You just go and get receipts. Like you can go and walking. If you're walking out of home Depot or you're walking out of people throw their receipts away. Like at remember circuit city. You know, you grab receipts from Circuit City. You have friends that have receipts, you know, that own stores. A friend of a friend.

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Yeah, but it's obviously it's going to match up with a date and they're not backtracking any of this stuff. And most of the time it's just photographs.

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So I think the title, you understand that a lot of these things, title insurance paid off too. So that was insurance. And I, it's not normal. The title fraud that I've committed was, is more than your average fraud. Right? Like it's a different type of fraud. It's a different type of insurance fraud.

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But it still falls under an insurance category?

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Yes. Well, for instance, you're buying a house. So you own the house. Let's say I own a house and I own a house and on Monday they do the title search. So they search the title, but it's not going to close till Friday. So I know it was searched. I know it came back on Monday called the You know, you call the title insurance company and say, hey, listen, when did you get the title policy back?

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Oh, we got it back yesterday. Oh, OK, thanks. You immediately go and record a lien on the property for a new roof and the windows and whatever. It's twenty five thousand dollars. So then the house closes on Friday. You wait a week. You go to the new homeowner and you say, hey. What's going on? Where's Matt Cox? Oh, he sold us the house. He did. Well, he never paid me this $25,000 he owes me.

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And I have a lien on this property. Who'd you close through? And they go, oh, we closed through lawyer's title. So he goes to lawyer's title and says, hey, I did a bunch of work on this house. And he shows them the $25,000. Then they go and they go, no, we searched the house. He said, what are you talking about? I have a lien on it. They go back and search it and go, man, we missed the lien.

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He recorded it two days after we searched the policy during what's called the gap period. So we owe this guy $25,000. So they have to pay him $25,000. Now, they can turn around and go to me and try and get the money from me. I said, nah, that guy did horrible work. I'm not paying that guy. And they go, we already paid him. Well, here's the thing.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What I learned from dating the girl at the insurance company or at the title company was this. If there's the dispute over the fee, they have to pay it. So they won't sue me because I have a dispute over this guy, but they missed the title. And by law, they have to pay it. They cannot sue me because there's a dispute. So that's a nice little... You did this? Yeah, I've done that a few times.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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How much? Do you know how much you did it for?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You didn't get caught for it though?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No. Listen, there's so much stuff I didn't get. Like they never charged me with credit card fraud. Every one of those people... that every one of those identities, which I almost never talk about, they also got probably $50,000, $60,000 in credit cards. If I knew I was about to dump the guy, I'd go out and get three or four personal loans through Bank of America, Wells Fargo.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right, because I can get another $100,000 out of this guy. I might have got... I probably got $600,000 or $700,000 for the property. I can get another $100,000. How much did you make doing all this, Matt? I feel like a lot of that money went to other people. It went back into the properties. They said my mortgage company did $40 million. But keep in mind that was just basic fraud.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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There was no real money involved. Like that's money fraudulent loans going to buy houses. So that's not really like money in my pocket. Sure. The other one is after they sold everything, it was $15 million that they said I did. Well, first they said it was like 25. Then we got it down to 15. We argued. And then they said, well, there's nine and a half million missing.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And this is just a narcissist in me is that this one student said, this female student goes, do you feel like she was, do you feel like you got away with it for so long because you're so charming? And I mean, I started laughing so hard. I would like to be honest with you. Like how close are you with your wife? And I went, what do you mean?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And then we argued and I got it down to 6 million because they just didn't want to do the paperwork. So my restitution, $6 million. At one point, it was probably legitimately 9.5 million. I'm sorry. Yeah. 9.5 million.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You're amazing. You're amazing.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like I think just probably that ongoing emotional abuse, you like you were out here, you're like guns blazing.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I was going to say, it's funny. If you read, if you read my book, Like there were all these little tiny things that my father, like when someone, they say like, you know, like think back, like what's a story you can tell about your father? Like I don't, all I have, all my stories are like, they're rough. And they're not rough in a brutal way.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They're rough in a way that at the time I laughed about it. And looking back, I'm like, you don't say that to a kid. Like what, like that doesn't, what are you, why would you, you know, I always remember this and this because I always remember immediately thinking this because my dad was an alcoholic. Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But he made he worked for State Farm Insurance and he would get be sober for a year or two, get drunk. They put him in a rehab, go right back to work. This happened over. And I don't mean like a 10 day rehab. We're talking 45 days, 30 days, 90 days, like outrageous. One time they put our whole family in rehab. We had to all go to Al-Anon like twice a week. We're going to these Al-Anon meetings.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It's like, why have I got to keep him sober? So what happened was I remember one time he and I were driving in his BMW. And I have my little Izod shirt on. He's in a suit and tie. We're going to movie, you know, our movie day, right? Like we would go to go see a movie. And really, we never really would see a movie. He would drop me off and come back like four or five hours later.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, my gosh. I totally... The woman who was doing the books for that county and she had the horses? Yes. Oh, wow.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So, but we're on our way. And I remember looking over at this car that was next to us. And it was a beat up old Nova that was rusted out. A bunch of little kids in the back seat. Mom and dad are in the front. And just the kids in the back, they just look filthy. They look filthy. Their clothes are messed up. The car's rusted out.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And I remember being at a stop sign and looking over at these kids and they're staring at me through the window. And I just remember thinking, like just being like ashamed that we had money and like I felt bad for them. I remember looking down and my dad instinctively noticed something was wrong. And he looked over at me and he looked over at those kids and he looked at me and he goes, hey.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And I was like, yes, sir. And he goes, I wonder what the poor are doing today. And I just went and then he went and he's kind of chuckled and laughed. And I remember thinking, wow, like I, like, and my, my thought, what I always remember from that is this is that it was always, no matter what you had to do, no matter how you had to behave, it was always better to be driving the BMW.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And, and that's how he was. He was like, he made a lot of money for a lot of people. State farm should have fired him 10 times. They never did. He was always the top 10 producing managers in the nation. Always won the trips. Always taught the classes. Whenever they had the bigwigs come to the head office, they always called him in. They asked him to do training seminars.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But every two years, we got to throw this guy in a rehab. But that's okay. It's okay. He'd show up one time, showed up one time and talked in front of a thousand people drunk. They had to practically pull him off stage, put him in rehab, get him back to work. You could behave however you want. Exactly. As long as you make everybody a ton of money. And I just remember thinking that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Okay. I did not... Yeah, she was... She was telling everybody they got to cut back. They have to cut back. She's stealing the whole time.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I remember my mom said one time, I remember asking her because God, they used to fight all the time, all the time. And I mean, and I mean, fights like where she'd get all the kids, put them in a car and drive and leave for a couple of days. Come back. I remember thinking, why? Like, are you that in love with him that we're, you know, we're going back? And she said, you know, he's a good provider.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know, so it was like it was like both of them. You know what I'm saying? Like they need they need. She had four kids. What's she going to do? So, yeah, I mean, I just that's just how. I grew up and I just remember things. Hey, if you liked the video, do me a favor and hit the subscribe button.

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Share the video and leave me a comment in the comment section and I try and respond to as many comments as I possibly can. Also, I'm gonna leave the book link for Fool Me Once, which is going to be in the description. I'll leave the link to the book and any other social media links for Kelly Pope if you wanna get in touch with her. And I appreciate you guys watching. Thank you very much. See ya.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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We don't have enough money.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Over what? 20 years. Oh, over 20? Mm-hmm. They had to raise the taxes over multiple... Borrow more money.

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I think I must, I don't know where I saw it. I saw it. I'm trying to think of where. I must have seen it on Netflix because I just got Amazon. So I must have seen it on Netflix when it came out.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And I actually had spoken. The only reason I knew about it was someone contacted me and that person was in communication with her in federal prison.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Mm-hmm.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And was trying to get her to write like a memoir. And she wouldn't write. No, she wouldn't do it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He said, listen, he goes, because all the loans are in her name. Mr. Black's sister saying, my brother was in a horrible accident. He's currently in a coma.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And she's, by the way, when they, you know, that, that ends at the end of this month, the mandate.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But they're not going back. I was going to say, I was always like, oh, well, they're going to pull them all back.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know, and I can like. So here's the problem, even though. Well, first of all, the offenders that got out were not. You know, horribly violent offenders, they need to be watched. So I get letting these people out because they're just not that much a huge danger to society as long as they're monitored.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But, you know, like if you've got 10 years to do, but usually some of these sentences are outrageous to begin with. So I'm kind of conflicted.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And I waited about a month and a half. And then I called the police and said, I got broke into. And then- Hey, this is Matt Cox, and I'm going to be interviewing Kelly Pope. And she is the author of a book about con men called Fool Me Once. And we're going to be talking about the book and talking about a few different con men and scams and that sort of thing. So check out the interview.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It's the publicity, though. They want to make an example.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, but she'll probably end up spending the rest of her life living in someone's spare room.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, she's clever. Obviously, she's clever. She's already thinking of ways to get around her restitution. And once it's final that she's not going back, which it probably obviously is, and she gets a regular job. Somebody will hire her.

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I mean, yeah, but I can tell you from being in prison with other guys that have committed fraud. I was the only person that was in prison thinking when I get out like I'm. I'm going to figure out a way to make this work for me, you know, doing the things that I want to do in life. I mean, I'm not going to hide. Like everybody else was, these guys are talking about changing their name.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, what happened to the other guy that had that Latonsky had tied up and the same thing happened?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'm sorry, how old was he then, do you think?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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To be drugs tied up, had the, uh, a sex act and the left in the basement.

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And he escaped as well. It's good to know that it's possible to escape. If you're in that situation, it's possible. People have done it. So that makes me feel a little bit better. Not that I think I'm going to be answering any ads on Grindr, but if someone were to get me in the basement, drug me, tie me up, there's a chance I could escape.

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That's risky.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'd like to think I wouldn't. But I've done some stupid things. Yeah, well...

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Okay. So you woke up, sorry, I interrupted. You woke up in the morning. No, that's perfect. You're upset. Like I'm behind the eight ball. Yep.

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And, um, I'm sorry. That seems almost like it might be a touch of, uh,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Wait a second. Bacon escaped first. No, Bacon did not escape. Oh, Bacon never escaped. Never escaped. Okay, sorry. I got that wrong. Sorry.

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Well, I mean, Latonsky was gay and he was mentally ill. So I don't think that has anything to do with, that would have happened whether he was raised in Miami, New York, you know, or, you know, you know, Montgomery, you know, Alabama, like it, it, it's irrelevant, but people are jerks. So.

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Mental illness. Yeah. You know, he's mentally ill.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, I mean, and they, they, the police came to the house, right? Like how did the police end up at the house?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They found the body in the basement.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, I was going to say they, you know, you build up to it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That's just rude.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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To him, this may be all a part of the government conspiring against him. I'm sure he feels no remorse. You've seen the videos of the interrogation. There's no remorse there. He's tried to convince himself or trying to convince people that Kevin Bacon actually wanted for him to end his life. Yes. Go ahead. Sorry.

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I remember we were watching it. I was watching it and we were like, what is he wearing? I'm like, is that a dress? And my wife goes, I think that's a hilt. Yeah, it was. I was going to say he also, you know, the detectives. when they start asking him about the cannibalism about him, you know, eating how he prepared them.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And then he starts saying that his, his goal was to turn, um, Kevin Bacon into jerky. Yeah. He had a whole thing on how he was going to consume the entire body to, to, um, return it to the earth. Like he had a whole thing that that was, that that was Kevin Bacon's is he, what he wanted.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. I think probably the first two were trial runs, you know, just to build up his confidence. And then he, he decided to, to have a bacon, you know, they were, yeah.

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Of course.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. Okay. So what happened after he, he eventually played, I mean, he gets, he doesn't need to plead guilty or how does, how's that the court proceedings proceed?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Okay. So what happened with the civil trials?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So they're polishing the polishing the brass on the Titanic.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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How did the police end up at the house?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He wasn't already pushing the envelope?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. So Latonsky ended up with the house. Paul Lutensky did, yes. Yeah. So, okay. Whatever happened with the house, did they just renovate it or bulldoze it?

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And they haven't said that any, that yes, we're going to do it or no, we're not interested. Nothing. Just no, no, just no communicato.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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All right. Well... Anything else you think we haven't touched on?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. Well, you're writing a book about it, right?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Um, so how, so what was he doing for a living? Like

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, no one else did either.

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You'll get the tape, the interrogation tape. You can glean some things from that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Mark was a troubled person.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I just kind of, I think I kind of assumed that he didn't work there anymore once all this happened. I don't know why I thought that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It blew my mind. Did you ever figure out why he said he wasn't Mark Latonsky?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Sorry, at the preliminary hearing?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Plus he thought everybody was poisoning him and.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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okay and it's just it's tragedy you know this poor 25 year old kid he's he's gone so all right well i i appreciate you um you know taking the time to talk to me about this no problem it's uh super interesting disturbing

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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right hey I appreciate you guys watching the interview and if you liked it do me a favor and subscribe to the channel hit the like button hit the bell so you get notified of videos like this and leave me a comment in the comment section also please consider joining my patreon or buying one of my true crime books all of the links are in the description I really appreciate it see ya

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Is that the Nigerian Prince scam?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Okay. All right. So he was okay. So he's still kind of off again, on again, working for various as a, was it always as a chemical engineer or.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Cause I mean, he had a nice big house. Like it's, you know,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Okay. Well, I mean, that's what he owed. It would look like it was worth, I mean, in Florida, that thing would be worth easily half a million, you know, even more, $600,000. Hell, in California, it'd be worth $3,000,000.

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Yeah. So which is horrible that I'm laughing about that. I'm sorry. I, you know, I'm.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. It, it, listen, let's face it though. It's odd. Like I know they, they, it, the whole situation from, you know, from, uh, Latonsky, you know, to, you know, how he, how, uh, Kevin ended or, you know, I don't know if I should say his whole name. You know, Kevin ended up there to the, the other people that were there.

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Like the whole thing is just an odd situation, especially the, the homosexual, um, element of it, because typically they're like nonviolent. Yeah. You know, and this seems really out of character other than the mental illness. So honestly, even schizophrenics tend to not be violent.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. When this had happened. So how did this kind of start or is there something else leading up to this?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I mean, he was.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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At this time, you're working for you're working for a the local newspaper.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Latonsky, this is an app of some kind, right?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Okay. So Latonsky contacted this guy on Grindr.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And they corresponded for a little bit and they agreed to meet somewhere, Latonsky's house, presumably. I mean, I guess you- Okay. And at some point they agreed to kind of, you know, the guy agreed to be tied up. And he ended up not agreeing to be tied up and kept in a basement. But that's where it ended up. Is that what happened?

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Poor guy. I mean, how long did he keep him in the basement?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Okay. All right. So go ahead. Continue, please. Sorry.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And you found this out during the interview with Art Kelly?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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All right. So you were there 30 days. You had these discussions. Eventually, how long did you do in jail before you got out? Or was it? Oh, sorry. It was a detention center.

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holding facility for federal inmates in that district is it is it something is that did they only hold federal or do they hold federal and just yes for federal inmates all right okay list on the it's listed in the bureau of prison as a federal prison oh okay so it's prison all right what you're saying because like some of these county jails will have a special unit just for federal inmates.

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So I was wondering if it was a holding facility or if it was actually a prison. So you're saying it was a Bureau of Prison.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So once you were moved, how much more time did you do until you got out?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So, all right, but when do you get out?

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or what but the thing is we talk a lot about crime on this show but let's face it some of the biggest crimes are committed by the government you've heard the story before big pharma swoops in to take control now the fda is trying to reclassify nmn a natural compound in foods like broccoli and avocados as a pharmaceutical drug why

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What are the reasons that he's saying Jay-Z should be incarcerated?

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Okay, well, wait a minute. Why would they send you back to federal prison for doing a publicity of any kind?

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You left the jurisdiction.

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So you're currently on federal probation. Yeah. Right. Your probation. The probation is trying to they're trying to violate your probation and send you back to jail because they're saying you left the jurisdiction without permission for some publicity stunt. OK.

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But again, these are allegations. What are those things that Art Kelly told you that basically what that he may be in prison for certain things, but Jay-Z should be there to something like that? Absolutely.

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What else did Jay-Z tell you? What is Jay-Z I'm sorry. What is Art Kelly saying? What are the reasons that he's saying Jay-Z should be incarcerated specifically? Like is there Anything specific he was saying, or was it just a random statement? Like, yeah, I'm locked up, but Jay-Z should be too. Well, okay, for what?

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Right. So are these are the kinds of things that you're saying about Jay-Z? I mean, not the, not the dresses and everything, but I'm saying, so you were talking, these are the things that you were saying about Jay-Z and is, and that's the reason that the informant is saying he put a hit out on you?

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Can I ask a question? When you say sold your soul, that can mean different things, like sold your soul to the industry, sold your soul to the devil, sold your soul to who?

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So, so. All right. So look, wherever you were at, you were somewhere where Jay-Z's, where the informant says that Jay-Z knew you were going to be and hired someone to, to kill you. So you, How far away was this person? Did you see the person? Like what was happening when you got shot? You're just walking down the street or you're standing in a parking lot and you just, boom, took a ball.

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How far away is this guy?

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Yeah, but you're saying you're going with allegedly. So I'm saying, and I understand that. I'm not asking you to say where you were standing. I'm saying just were you in a parking lot somewhere? So you were somewhere and you're doing something and boom, you get shot. So do you know who the informant is?

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So is the FBI looking into the informant and his allegations? Yes.

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As a confidential source who's in possession of information from Jay-Z, which is stating that he knew you were going to be – did he know prior to you being shot – Or after you were shot, he's saying he came into this information?

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So this this confidential source, the informant, he has to be in Jay-Z's camp to know this information. He's got to be close to have gotten that information. and had enough detail that he could contact the authorities. He obviously didn't contact the authorities prior to it happening, or they would have been able to go there and stop it.

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So I'm wondering why – if they've given you any – when the FBI came to see you, did they give you any indication as to why he didn't come forward first? Like if I have this information and I know a guy is about to be killed and I'm working with the feds, I'm going to go to the feds immediately and say, yo, they're sending somebody to murder this dude.

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Like why did that not happen or did they tell you or it didn't come up?

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Um, So after you were shot, I'm assuming you weren't allegedly shot. You were shot. You were shot. You said you were shot in the shoulder. Like, I mean, did you go to the hospital? Yes. Why didn't the hospital typically when someone's been shot, notify the police? Well, see.

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I understand. And I didn't have to get into that. I'm just saying in general, you did go to a hospital and you were. And so they notify the police were notified, but. That they couldn't. They didn't know about all this other stuff. So you just said, what? Somebody just fucking... Somebody just... I was walking down the street and someone shot me. Basically.

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And so there's nobody to really look for. They write up a little report. That's it. It doesn't go anywhere. You can't give them any information because you don't have a clue who shot you. Okay. I'm just curious. I'm not trying to get you jammed up or anything. Okay. So...

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I wonder where the investigation, the FBI's investigation into this guy, like this guy wouldn't have come forward and talked to them about this whole thing. He has to tell them how he knows the information. He has to, if he's close to them, like you would think they would, either he's already informing, either he was already an informant or after or during this whole process, he

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he decides I need to say something. Um, And at some point you would think they would say, listen, like if you're so you feel like if he's not working with them already, they would definitely convince him to work for him. Because if you go and you tell the police something like this, you're willing. You've already made the decision. I'm all in. I'm going to go to the authorities.

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I'm going to tell them exactly what happened. You have to know the authorities aren't going to say, hey, thanks, good citizen, and let you walk away. They're going to say, well, how do you do this? Oh, really? You're friends with Jay-Z's...

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whatever and you're at the party or you were hanging out at his house and you were there during the conversation or you're very good friends with him listen we need to get him on a wire we can give you a cell phone we can give you this the only way you can kind of hang out and get him on tape talking about this even if it's not jay-z it's his friend that maybe he didn't hear it from jay-z maybe he heard it from his buddy who hired the hitman

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the horrible hit man, because he couldn't finish the job. So he's obviously not a great hit man. So, but your bottom of the barrel hit man that was hired by Jay-Z's buddy, then even if he doesn't, the confidential source doesn't know Jay-Z or Wasn't there during that conversation. He was at least there for the conversation with the friend.

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You would think they would say, hey, take this cell phone or let us wire you up. Let us put something in your jacket. Go back over there and try and lure him into a discussion about this. Like that, that's just the normal course of action and how the authorities work. You go back over there, you're wired up. You say, hey, bro, what? You come up with an excuse on why you're bringing it up.

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Like, listen, man. This guy, Ronnie Bowe, bro, I seen him on a podcast talking about this. Like, what's going on? Are you concerned? I heard him say the FBI had come to him and talked to him. Like, bro, what are you going to do, man? And the guy, of course, is going to be like, nah, I'm not worried about it, bro. I already talked to the fucking, the guy I hired. He already went back to Florida.

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They ain't going to catch him, everything. That's what they're going to try and do. Then they grab him. They pull him in. They tell him, you're going to fucking prison for a long, long time, or you wear a wire on Jay-Z and get him to talk about it. That's just how it happens. So I'm wondering to myself, how long ago did the FBI talk to you? Yeah, did you read his full statement?

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Yeah, but I don't remember the whole thing. Yeah, it's... See...

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This is a statement, right? Yes. Okay. All right. Sorry, I'm just, I just want to make sure we're talking about two days to follow. Because, I mean, I read it, but this was a couple days ago. Right? So... No, that's missing something.

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How much more paper do you have?

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We'll make sure to put the links in the description. We'll put your phone number and your email address in the description box.

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And they did the same thing with R. Kelly, basically. So the Diddy thing, the allegation is that he sued a liquor company that's actually owned by BlackRock or something like that? Yeah. And that upset them? And so they went after him. Right. And what what did Art Kelly do where he you're saying he stepped out and said, hey, I'm not going to be a part of this. What was his specific thing?

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Did he do something specific or did he just say, I'm not going to be a part of this anymore?

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Yeah, you may have won the battle, but we'll win the war. Absolutely. And basically...

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How do you end up connecting with Art Kelly? Was it the previous prisons then? Or have you gotten out since then?

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So... How long were you locked up with it? Did you end up writing this book? Did you end up writing the entire book? What happened there? I mean, you're in the unit with him. How's that progressing? Are you guys meeting every day? You taking notes? What happens with that?

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So were you able to write the book?

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All right. So, I mean, we can also put your phone number and your email in the description. OK, description box. Did he did R. Kelly tell you anything about like Jay-Z? Like, how does the Jay-Z situation tie into this? Because, I mean, I read the police report and I watched one of the other interviews. So I'm wondering about that.

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Oh, yeah. I've seen that many times. They'll they'll win on the appeal like they got 10 years. They went on their appeal. They go back to be resentenced. They get 15 or 20 years. Yes. And you're like. Because all you're doing is getting resentenced.

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There's no winning at this point. There's not. You already did the time. There's no winning.

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What are you going to get an apology? You know, that's not good. That's not a win. You can't get the time back. It's over.

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Or what if you have a weapon? You have a weapon. You have a weapon in your closet five miles away. Yes. And get charged with it.

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Well, I think the problem is that people think they are only – kids think they are only looking at 5 or 10.

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Right. They think, oh, I'm only looking at 5 or 10. How do you know? That's the problem is if you sit there and go, how do you know? Why? Oh, because my buddy Jimmy, who stocks shelves at Walmart, his brother –

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got five years for and he was a big time dope dealer you were 15 he was 20 he had his own apartment you think that makes him a big time drug dealer like stop it he was selling he was selling nothing you don't mean it was a joke like you don't know enough to be giving your opinion to people do you see i'm saying like that's the problem is that people give advice on things that they know nothing about and they convince people that you're barely going to get any time and the next thing you know you're looking at 30 years yeah that's 100 correct

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It's all fun and games.

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Yeah. I got my, my PSI 32 years of life. I'm sitting there going.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. It's funny. We, I actually did a podcast on this when I, in Breckenridge with a guy where we were talking about people have no idea, like my base level offense for the amount of money should have been six years. Yeah. I got over 20 years of enhancements and they'll calculate the enhancements in a way that you're like, that, that, that doesn't even make sense.

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Like, like they literally, and I gave this example real quick is that the, When they were counting up victims, they counted Bank of—I'm sorry, not Bank of America, Countrywide Bank. Countrywide Bank was one victim. Countrywide Financial Services was another victim. Countrywide Home Loans was another victim. And Countrywide Home Equity Lines of Credit. So that's four victims. But wait, wait.

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Then for another enhancement, they said, if you've stolen more than $1 million from one institution, you get like a two level enhancement. Guess what? They counted countrywide as one. They added all those countrywides together and said, that's one institution. And if you add them all up, it's over like 1.8 million or something. I went, but no one institution got over a million.

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They were like, I said, you counted them separately for this, for this enhancement. And. And together for this one, that doesn't make sense. That's like double jeopardy. And they said, no, that in my lawyer was like, no, no, Matt, they can do that.

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You know, on Derek Nolan's case, there was a female doctor that went to trial.

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Yeah, yeah. So Derek liked her. So she goes to trial. He fried her. No, no. I disagree. We can talk about that at another time. She wins. So she beats—so she's being charged with, let's say, for the sake of argument, two charges. One is basically the writing the prescriptions, right? Like unauthorized—whatever it was, she was writing—

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oxycodone scripts right so they say okay for so you're you're basically charging with drugs you're you're a drug drug dealer you're writing scripts right and money laundering so because the money you're getting for writing the scripts you're putting into the bank you're laundering money so she goes to trial and she wins on the drug lawn or the uh writing the the bad scripts

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but she's found guilty on the money laundering. So how can I be charged with laundering drug money if I'm not found guilty of being a drug dealer? She goes all the way to the Supreme Court. And you know what they said? Yeah, you can do that.

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I know they did.

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Right. But that's what I'm saying is in her case. But it's just called the corruption in the courts. Okay. I was going to say, they said, you're right. You aren't, you're, you're not a, that's not dirty money, but you're charging me for money laundering. So it, it, it never made sense to me that, that.

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Bro, if you'll come back for the whole, to talk about... We can talk about that and then prison, which is an hour, hour and a half, two hours, whatever.

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Bro, every prison I was at, 90% of everybody cooperated.

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To me, anybody that went to trial, you're good. You went to trial. It's over.

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Okay.

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It's an American that was a part of the cartel.

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Also, you guys were considering doing live streaming while we're doing the podcast so that you guys can answer or ask us questions and we can answer those questions at the end of the interview. It would be connected to our Patreon.

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Please let me know if that's something you're interested in and if you'd be interested in joining Patreon so that you guys can kind of interact while we're doing the interview. Thanks very much. See you.

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When you say through Canada, you mean like roulette tables?

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Okay. Yeah, just a little bit. A little bit. 300 or 400 keys.

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No.

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So they weren't caught with anything. You were caught with stuff. So it was easy for them to say he was the ringleader. He was the one doing all this. Correct. Okay.

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I'm getting a job. No. I'm going to get... I could sell cars.

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You're in your early 20s. Early 20s. At this point, what are you, six foot? Yeah, I'm six foot. Six foot, blonde hair, blue eyes. Fair skin. Yeah. Or they hate your guts, bro. They do. Like they hate, like you're, you're, you're the quintessential American asshole that we, we just despise.

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Oh my God. So the teeth are white and straight. I mean, sorry, go ahead.

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Okay.

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We're 6 million. I can get another kid, you know?

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I don't know anybody that's ever gone to trial on a juvenile thing. So I didn't know.

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That was for the brick and to get it on the boat? Yeah, that's everything. Oh, okay.

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Right, right.

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No, I know the closer, like, but that, that I know that by the time it gets from, from whatever. Yeah.

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south america all the way up to the border like every step of the way it gets more and more expensive as as it makes that as a as the product makes that journey it gets worse and worse and then there's getting it over the border now it's worth even more money but every step is a few thousand here a few thousand there

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Right. So. Cause then it should, what not worth it anymore.

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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But you don't really know that then.

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You still knew you were going to jail.

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So if you can get by the Bahama Coast Guard, then you're free and clear.

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Well, I meant our Coast Guard that's in their area. Like the guys that you're calling, they say, hey, we're good. So now you can get past them because they're on the other side of the island or whatever. You get past them. There's nobody else between you and Jupiter, Florida.

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But you know you can find it because there's a tracking device on it.

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Or that they're on to you. They're on to you. Yeah, yeah. They're building a case. Building a case.

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But this was a dry run, you said.

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I thought you had said you had one dry run.

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Oh, okay.

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Okay. Sorry. I feel like I'm trying to follow it. I feel like, okay, I missed. Okay, go ahead. Sorry.

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Okay.

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This is not good.

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Right.

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The whole organization.

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What are these guys? Are they Spanish guys?

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Okay. Okay.

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Yeah. There's a few manufacturers in Florida, like night armaments is in South Florida. There's a, there's a few of them.

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Right.

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Or maybe just to get you into a position where they can talk to you about, hey, cut us in on something, you know, maybe it was, and that would have been the nicest version. Yeah. Of how that seems like it would have worked out.

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Almost got shot. Almost got kidnapped or got kidnapped for about half a mile and almost got shot. And still don't really know why.

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Yeah. It's not going to stop.

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Was Vinny ever locked up in Coleman? Yes, he was. Did he have a whole bunch of cars at one point? I knew you knew him. Okay, yeah, yeah. Now that you talk about it. Well, you should have started with kind of jerk off. Yeah, yeah. He was very loud, very obnoxious. Worked out all the time, right? Okay, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah. I don't think he was in it at the low very long. Cause we talked about him wanting to write. He wanted me to write his story. He's got a hell of a story. Yeah. But, you know, just talking to him, it was so overwhelmingly outrageous. Because of the drugs.

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Well, it was the drugs and the – like this many vehicles, this – I mean, everything was – it was – you know, I'm used to guys that, you know, like the big – Well, no, I'm used to guys that if they're talking, you know, they're talking about making, you know, reasonable money. The money he was talking about was unreasonable. It was, you know, whatever it was, $5 million a month, $10 million.

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It was outrageous. And I remember thinking, come on, man, stop. Let's stop. It's too much. It's too much. 100 cars. The feds had to come in. He had a fucking, you know, he had like a private garage where he had all these cars and, you know, Lamborghinis. I'm just outraged. Everything's the size of a Bugatti. Yeah, it was outrageous. It's all true.

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I mean, I agree it's true because everybody was telling me it was true. Everybody was telling me it was true.

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The problem was I was working on another story. He was one of these guys who was like, bro, stop that story. I got the story. Fuck that story. That's nothing compared to my story. It's like, okay, you don't even know what I'm working on. Now you know who I'm dealing with. Right. So it didn't matter anyway because I was like, look, I'm interested, but I got to put you in the queue.

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And why, why weren't you getting moved back to your parents' house?

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It didn't matter because we never even got to that point because within a month, he's gone. Yeah. He's in the shoe. I don't know what happened, but he's gone.

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Okay.

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I get it. You're there for the food. Good.

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And this is, you're out what, 50 grand?

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I mean, even if they did pay the fine, it's vastly different than going to prison.

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You know, if you're worth a billion dollars and you have to pay a hundred million dollars, like that's nothing.

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It doesn't make sense that if you're making $500 million for you to pay a fine of, Of $50 million. Like you see what I'm saying? Like it's the, there's no, I'm saying it's worth it. Yes. Do you see what I'm saying? Like it's worth it. Yes.

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So the George brothers ran a large clinic called American Pain in Florida. That's correct. Well, you and I know that, but people don't know that.

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And the patients cause problems.

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What's so funny is, you know, Derek obviously has told me that he's like, you have to understand. He's like, we're hiring strippers, bouncer. He's like, if you looked at our staff, like there's no way you think this is legitimate. He's like, these are strippers that are, he's like, none of these are medical professionals.

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He's no matter what we put them, dress them up, they got tattoos, they got tattoos.

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Yeah. He, yeah. And they were giving them kickbacks for the portable MRI.

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Not even doing the MRI.

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So... Because Derek said he was telling people, people, guys would come in without an MRI and he'd go, look, you know where the strip club is down there? Go down there. Here's the guy. Here's how much it is. Go down there, get one and come back with it. And according to Derek and most of these guys that I've done the... the stories for us.

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They're like, nobody doesn't have a problem with their, with their spine. Like almost anybody. If I went right now and I have no back problems, it's going to show something.

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To Zach, yes. So Zach went to him.

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Um, and we're going to, you just said we don't have now. would probably key off a doctor saying we ain't got none. We ain't got no medical. We ain't got no man.

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Swiping left. That one.

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How do you know this is Chris George? You've seen these guys before?

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Yeah, I understand. But so there's already something on file saying do not detain those two. Like don't arrest them for drugs. Don't do anything to them because we have an investigation. You're going to fuck it up.

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So they're just holding them.

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Right. So I want to say something. So you said it was Derek's cousin. Yeah. I think it was his brother.

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We'll check. Cause I'm almost positive. Cause I remember him telling me this exactly what you just told me. And I remember his, if it's the same one, by the way, cause it might be his younger brother.

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Cause I remember him saying he felt bad because he's like, his brother was coming to visit him. The Georges called Derek. This is what we're doing. And he was like, I'm with my brother. I'm like, fuck. He's like, look, I'm going up here. You don't have to go. And his brother's like, nah, I'll go.

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I remember, Anyway, what he, what happened was he took his brother and he said, like, when his brother got arrested, he was like, fuck, like, what have I, like, I can't fucking believe, like, this kid's never been in trouble.

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It's like, he's a good kid. He's never been in trouble. What did I just do? Yep. So that's the part I was trying to get to.

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Well, I was going to say the other thing you had said was bricks, them throwing bricks to their winners. I remember – and I'm sure that's true, but I also remember at one point they got –

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ball bearings and a slingshot he would pull up he's like because you could go really far away he's like and you could pull the and sit in the car yeah you know you don't have to throw anything you can and they would he's like these things would be like just blow out the windows they shoot out the signs coward type stuff you know what i'm saying like you know like i mean it's all kind of semi it's just it's like childish stuff that they did it's like you're you're how much money is enough you can run this legitimately and make a ton of money and honestly you could run it legitimately make a ton of money and still end up in prison

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Are you having problems with the local businesses and the police?

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Chris Legg?

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So he's running what? He's running like a pillability operation where he's bringing- From Ohio.

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From Ohio.

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So he's bringing a bus down. I heard like Kentucky and what are the other ones?

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Like, what are you making a week doing this?

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Is he still on drugs? Is he still hooked on it?

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So he can function. He's a functioning addict.

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They knew it was going to go down. They know for a population of this large of a population, we should be selling this much of this type of pain.

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And when they're selling 60 times what they should be selling in this population, they know there's an issue.

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Yeah, I was just going to say, they wouldn't want to take the cash, right?

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It's funny you say that. We literally have a friend. I don't want to say his name, but he has a huge fraud case. He's never been able to get a bank account. And recently, he went and applied at a bank where his mother had a bank account. And he thought, and I think I have this right. He thought, you know, let me go apply. You know, let me go see. And he applied there.

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open the account, boom, close it within two days. And then they closed his mother's account and all of her accounts at the banks too, which she had been at that bank, by the way, for like 25, 30 years. And he was like, so I don't even understand why they, because there was a connection there.

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Especially, you know, whatever. This guy's on federal, like you're not doing anything, almost nobody's doing anything on probation. Right.

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You have deniability at least. Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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How this all happened at the same time. You said you already had your, the Jacksonville one got hit. You already had the one in Atlanta. Yeah. So it got hit at the same time.

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Okay.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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How long did it take for them to jump on?

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They're going to find something. They're done. Even if you can sit here just like you're saying, I did everything legit. I did this. It doesn't matter. They're going to tie you into something. Or they'll get three guys that once they lock you up, they'll just get three other inmates to sit on the stand and say, he told me he did this. He told me he did this. He told me.

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And they're going to figure it out.

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But you're still just waiting for the feds to grab you.

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Had you considered like... I mean, are you... Doing anything to hide where you're staying? No. Okay.

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It was. I'd be able to make $40,000 or $50,000 a month now.

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Okay.

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That sick feeling in your stomach.

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So the Mexican guy you were buying from, his family got?

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Was this a Mexican family? Yes. Okay. And then this guy just takes off.

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Somebody, somebody, one of the attorneys quit.

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right after this happened you think they disappeared because they were involved possibly in the murder or you think they disappeared because they were they were whacked no they no because he's i've seen him since then oh okay he he does he they disappeared for about five years and came back might have been a little longer than five years but are these are these um mexican americans or these guys these are legals no mexican americans oh okay

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And I look at my buddy serious before.

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Right. You had to know this was coming.

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That's where they print you and they take your photo.

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Listen, every FBI officer I've dealt with, unprofessional, like you can't believe. Every one of them.

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No, no, I absolutely believe you.

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But she's a state criminal defense attorney, not a federal. She's going to fight the federal one.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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That's what I was going to say. Cause you know, usually they specialize in one or the other.

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The rules are different in the federal system than they are in the state.

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Yeah. But he's also discrediting himself.

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Right.

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Well, I always tell everybody when they, like, if it's, if it's the state, the state will come arrest you and then build their case. If the, when the feds come to arrest you, they've already built their case. Like they're not, they're not asking you questions because they want to know the answers. They just want to see if you're going to lie to them. You know what I'm saying?

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They just want you to verify what they already know.

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Are you still – are you released on bond or are you in big hell?

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To bury yourself.

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You'd be the perfect witness too. You know what I'm saying? Your other buddies, drug addict, lunatic, talking shit.

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But the way they look at it is that the next person will think twice before they... But when I'm at 19 years old, I don't understand this.

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Yeah, you'd have sold cars. Yeah. I'd have sold cars if I thought I could go to prison for 10 or 15 years.

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They wouldn't let you fire your attorney.

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I never had any idea. You know what's funny? You say in this, you know how many guys I've talked to? You ever hear these guys when they ask them, would you change anything? And the guy's like, no, man, because, you know, it made me the person I am today. Fuck that. I'd have changed, bro. I wouldn't have done.

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I had no fucking clue the irrevocable damage I was going to do to my own life and other people's lives around me.

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43.

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Well, they give you the high end of the guidelines typically.

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Yeah.

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Which makes it almost impossible to appeal, do anything, because you got the low end.

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Add them up.

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100%.

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Right. Whenever people talk to me, I'm like, look, if you're guilty, you have no reason to go to trial. If you're 100% innocent, you still have a 50% chance of being found guilty. You know what I'm saying? People don't realize it. They're like, oh, well, I'm innocent. Yeah, okay, that's great. It's still a roll of the dice. No, no, I'm innocent. No, no, it's still a fucking roll of the dice.

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You want what I'm saying correct. Yeah, I hear that all the time. People that have went to trial are like, no, 50s, you're giving them too much credit.

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It's as horrible as this is. That's a, that's a win.

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It was so exaggerated by the media and by the government. They pushed an exaggerated narrative that did not happen. For example, cops initiated the entire thing.

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Of course they had, they had a monopoly on the information that was, that was given because if you were to say contrary to what the media wanted, wanted to put out there that you were called a conspiracy theorist or called like, you know, you're lying, you're trying to, Erase what would happen.

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There was no established nation at that time.

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Nobody's doing that.

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Like, look, I understand that there were people that have done things they probably shouldn't have did on January 6th. Yeah. But it was so exaggerated by the media and by the government. They're the big ones that pushed it. And I know the media and the government were in bed together. Right. So they push an exaggerated narrative that did not happen. For example, the planning of the insurrection.

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I think you said something like a couple minutes ago that they write history books a certain way, and the victor always writes the history books. Of course. So it's always manipulated, and that's why I always – I never used to in the past, but now I don't trust the government at all. So I always look into history, and I'm like trying to pick apart what they're doing.

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So I always try to watch like counter or get counter information or get information that is counter to what we've been taught. So we were talking about the whole World War II thing. I think it's been greatly manipulated to create this patriotism with Americans. We always did the right thing. We always did the right thing. We're the good guys.

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I think America's probably been the bad guys in a lot of wars, but they make us believe or they try to make us believe that they're the good guys.

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Japanese.

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Churchill talks about that. Churchill, I don't know if you saw, there's a Tucker Carlson interview that was maybe like a year ago or something. And Churchill was not this like savior that they try to prop him up to be. He was the one that instigated World War II. The Germans, Hitler tried to- Oh, multiple times. Multiple times. Like, I don't want a war. I don't want a war. Let's not do this.

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We're very much alike. Let's not do this. And Churchill was the one that kept instigating. I remember during that, I think it was that podcast, that they were about to bomb London, the Germans, and they reached out to Churchill and tried to make peace. Like, we don't want to continue this war. We don't want to bomb London. We don't want to bomb London.

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And they tried to get the women and children out, and they refused.

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First of all, it wasn't even an insurrection. Insurrection is an actual charge. So let me give you an example. Let's say you go into a candy or a candy store and you take some candy.

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that's called theft right that's like you taking something and then all the news lines say he robbed that store he robbed that store right you didn't rob the store you stole something right so insurrection they called insurrection insurrection is a charge no one was charged with insurrection so that's number one anyway and that's a side point i digress on that but

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Yeah, bro. That's horrible. I mean, we were talking about fascism and Antifa and all that. That's a horrible thing.

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Okay. Okay. So I think the reason why fascism is so has such a bad from the both left and the right, that's the only thing left and the right agree on is fascism is bad. I think it's because during the time Mussolini, Hitler, and you know, the, when that was in the thirties is that they arrested the bankers. And they shut down central banks in Germany.

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And I think it was in, I can't remember the other country, but several countries, they shut down central banks. Italy was one of them, but there was another one too. And I can't remember the other one, but it's all in that area of Europe. But they shut down these banks and they arrested the Rothschilds.

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When you arrest the Rothschilds, which are still like the richest family in the universe, you start stepping on toes. And when you cause the international banks to lose so much money because you're shutting down banks in Europe, big banks in Europe, that that's when I think they started to get upset.

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Oh, we got to get rid of this fascism thing because they're shutting down banks and now we're losing billions of dollars. So I think that's why they started shifting towards, we got to start making this ideology, even though it was looked at as like ultra nationalism, we have to make this ideology distasteful in people's mouths. And I think that's when it started to change.

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But yeah, the Holocaust didn't help. I think the initial thing though was the arresting the Rothschilds and messing with the international banks.

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They created this narrative that it was a planned orchestrated event where people were sitting behind, you know, they had blueprints of the Capitol and they were, you know, marking points. We have these radios and it's all coordinated event to attack the Capitol. That's 100% a lie. Right. 100% a lie. I don't know anyone who did that.

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I don't remember. I've been there, but I can't remember.

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No.

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It's like a mechanic shop. It is.

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The food is good, too.

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We had the JFK files came out and in those files it showed that he said that Hitler was the stuff of legends and that he believes that when the all the hatred for Hitler is over, they're going to realize that he was actually a good person. JFK. So I'm like, man, JFK, maybe that's why they killed him. I don't know.

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I think the bankers are behind everything. I think everything that is, it's manipulated by the interest of the international bankers.

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They said that the night before we were at a house and we were coordinating. We were getting drunk the night before. So we were just watching TV getting drunk. So this whole narrative they push, they were allowed to push it because the government pushed that. And the government knew it was a lie. They know it's a lie. But they pushed it anyway for political reasons. So –

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They had nine inches of snow in North Florida.

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I saw that. That's why she was so... She was good during the debates. Yeah. But on a regular interview, she sucks.

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Rogan would have been the most fair, but obviously, like you said, she would have been ambushed with questions that she's not ready to answer.

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but like literally how did i end up or like yeah no i don't mean did you take a like a 50 or no uh we you know saw that it was going to happen like i said we knew that there was going to be leftist activists that were going to follow people to their cars and attack them and we hate that and we wanted to go to make sure it didn't happen is it like you and like six other pro boys or we're 30 or specifically like my area we had i think we had around six guys that went

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But Proud Boys in general, there was, I don't know, maybe 50. I'm not sure. I don't know the exact numbers. We didn't coordinate with all the other guys about going. Okay. Yeah. So, I mean, did you know the other people were coming? Yeah, I knew other guys were going, but I didn't know specifically who was going.

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But I knew, I've seen, I was hearing and seeing other guys planning on going as well. So you guys didn't? Meet up in the woods in a big tent and plan out the… Yeah, with blueprints of the Capitol and, you know, guys in fatigues now.

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Yeah, I mean, there's like 200,000 people there. We were alone, basically, though. We stayed in our own group. We were just walking around, kind of just patrolling the streets, seeing if any leftists were going to start attacking people. We were far away from the Capitol. We didn't even go to the Trump speech. My guys, we didn't go. But we heard that— He was going to be at the Capitol.

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I get kind of carried away with this conversation because I'm upset about it.

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So that's why we went to see what was going on because we heard we saw everyone moving over there. But we weren't our plans weren't to go there. We were going to go to like Black Lives Matter Square or whatever it's called, because we know they hang out there and they start like, you know, antagonizing people.

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That's where we were headed until we heard that there was like some commotion at the Capitol. Like, oh, let's go see. So we went there and I'll tell you, the police were the ones that instigated the entire thing. Everyone, I was around 10,000 people and everyone was peaceful, singing the national anthem.

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You know, I'm sorry, people were singing the national anthem and were, maybe people were cursing and stuff, but it wasn't like we were just rushing the gates and trying to attack cops. One thing led to another. We see cops all like lining up on like the little bridge there, whatever it is. And they have paintball guns and they're throwing flashbangs or shooting us. This is before anything started.

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Everyone was like, what the hell is going on? People are getting shot in the face with paintballs, flashbangs going off. I have the video of all this. That's when it started escalating or people started to like rush the gates and start rushing police officers because they instigated it. Nobody was causing any violence. They're the ones that started it.

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The DOJ knows that, but they pushed this narrative like we went there with the intention to take over the Capitol and commit violence. It was absolutely firsthand experience. The cops initiated the entire thing. So, okay, so once...

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I don't know if any problem was there. I know people were there, but my group was not there, no.

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I didn't even know there were barricades blocking it because I didn't see it. We just saw 15,000 people walking. We just started walking with them.

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The DOJ has CCTV footage. uh, cameras all around the Capitol. So that's how they got, you know, the videos of what people did. So the vice was not showing you everything. They're, you know, just trigger picking what videos that look good for their, their documentary. Okay.

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They're cops. They're cops. So you're assaulting a police officer at that point.

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It exists. It's a real charge. But nobody was charged with insurrection. So what is it? What they charged people with that was related to a riot was civil disorder. So you're involved, engaged in a riot, and you are obstructing a police officer. That's basically what they charged everyone with.

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for the right itself but they also here's the big one that i don't know if you remember this it's 1512 it's u.s code 1512 right and it's uh obstruction of an official proceeding so that is a a law that was created in like the 1800s to prevent someone like uh messing with an election integrity back when you know elections were all by hand and people could you know It's 1800s, right?

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That's an old law. And they charged everyone with that. And it was like, carries like a 20 year sentence. It's ridiculous. They said we obstructed Congress doing their job, right? So in July of last year, Supreme Court heard that case and said, hey, I think it was Gorsuch. said that, hey, this doesn't apply to what you guys are charging people with. This is a way overreach.

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So they knocked it down. So they had to remove that charge from, I got charged with that too, from all the cases. So it took away their heavy charge of 20 years and it dropped it down to like a regular felony of a civil disorder, like a five-year sentence. But there was also another one

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seditious conspiracy which is uh they're saying that like the proud boys oath keepers we were planning in the you know the woods like you were saying with combat boots and you know walkie talkies right but uh but there was no insurrection charge if there was no one was charged with that if there was a plan it was it was not well executed yeah um uh so oh listen i'm gonna bring up two movies here in a minute um

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I've never been to the Capitol. I've been to, I've been to DC before, but I've never been inside the Capitol or even around the Capitol. So I just walked around and I was looking around, you know, like just at everything. I was, I'd never been there. I didn't know where I was going. I had no direction. There's, you know, There was, I think, 800 people in there or something like that.

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So I'm just following other people, talking to people, seeing people I know. I'm like, oh, what's up, dude? I didn't break anything. I didn't attack any police officers. The DOJ during my sentencing earlier this month, I was in D.C., they said that I was physical with a police officer. So the judge was like, let me see the video. You know what physical meant?

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That I like brushed arms with a police officer. Basically, not on purpose. Like I'm like walking by and we brushed arms. That's the kind of little things that the DOJ does to exaggerate and make it seem like you're some violent person. So all over the news, they're saying at some point, Nathan was a physical police officers.

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Well, so you make me look bad, but the actual thing was me like rubbing, rubbing my arm against police officer on accident, no intent to hurt this person.

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It's the Capitol. The Senate chambers, the Congress. Right. I don't know where I was. I don't know. I don't know the direction that I went. I was walking through the hallways, walking past offices and stuff. I had no idea where I was going.

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They were doing like, There were cops standing by the doors and they were doing like a semi, you know, everyone get out. Everyone needs to get out. You know, everyone needs to get out. But it wasn't like there's, you know, there were riot cops standing. Eventually, after like maybe a half hour, a bunch of riot cops came out and they were trying to push everyone out.

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That's when they started getting physical and using their shields to push everyone out. But initially, I saw cops like in a hall. I was talking to cops in hallways. They were just standing there where people were just discussing, talking about, you know, how messed up the election was, things like that. In the Capitol, I didn't see one police officer attacked or hit or anything.

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It was just like cops kind of knew, all right, it's kind of out of control now, but there's nothing we can do. Let's just wait until this is over. So, yeah, it was much more peaceful than they're trying to make it appear. So what –

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You know what I'm saying? It's not like- I was separated from my group.

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Yeah, my dad was there, but we got separated. So I walked in, I got in, and they were still outside. So I went in, they went around wherever they went, and they walked in through open doors. There's a video of it. They just literally walked in through open doors. And there was no consensus. It was just unfolding so rapidly. We didn't really know what was going on.

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I was just like, oh, my God, like this is this is crazy. Like I'm in the Capitol right now. And there was no consensus or plan to do it. The government, like you said, has this idea that everyone had the idea to go in there and stop the election of Joe Biden. Right. Are you by that point? It already happened.

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I think it was this was like 214 or something that the initial breach and they did it at like noon. Right.

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That's it. And I don't think, at least I can speak for my group, but I can speak for probably a lot of people, no one had the intention of going there to stop Mike Pence from certifying the election. First of all, I didn't even know they were doing that or had done that right then and there. I didn't know what time they were doing that, right? Right. And I know that it's impossible to stop that.

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Do we – or is the DOJ – I know they're not under – I'm just – it's a rhetorical question. Do they think that we're that stupid that we are going to occupy the Capitol, take over the government for the next four years until we bring Trump back? That's a ridiculous notion. That's what they pushed. And like you said earlier, if we plan to do this – it was poorly executed – but if we really did –

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It would have been way worse. It would have been way worse if it was a real plan to do it and the government would have intervened before it happened.

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Exactly. I'm not going in with my cell phone. Exactly.

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Yeah. One of my good friends, he's on video walking around with a beer and a cigarette. Really, you're taking over the Capitol with a beer and a cigarette? I mean, it looks cool, but come on.

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It's an iconic look.

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Go change, come back.

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Obviously, you didn't see it. I already know you didn't see it because if you'd seen it, you'd be like, yes. Yeah, but I'm thinking, I know there's a Marvel movie called Civil War.

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This is like a year ago. It just came out?

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Can I look this up? Yes. Let me look this up real quick.

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I'm telling you, right? I know you didn't see it.

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Florida and Texas, but not California. Oh, yeah, exactly.

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Yes.

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I mean, I'll watch it tonight, probably.

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So towards the end of my career where I just decided that I wanted to do something else, that's when I joined the Proud Boys. And I felt like my beliefs and the, you know, And my political beliefs in being a police officer were kind of a – I don't know the word to use, but they weren't aligning properly, right?

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Uh, it's called a, a handmaid's tale. No, I've, I've seen the like clips of it where these women are dressed in like red, like red dresses and stuff. What do you do with your time? I don't watch movies that much.

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Not to say that police officers are doing the wrong thing, but I feel like a lot of cops – it was during the COVID time. A lot of cops were doing what they were told, not what they believed in. So, for example, there was ordinances and things that were coming down from the government. Like, you know, we had a curfew.

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I've seen a lot of leftist women online complaining about it. Like, oh, my God, Trump is going to turn everything into The Handmaid's Tale. It's so ridiculous.

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No, we went home after that. Like the, once we realized that there's a bunch of, a bunch of like riot cops, like you surrounding us, we're like, all right, fine, we'll leave. Yeah. So we, we, we, we walked out on, you know, on our own and we walked back to our, our hotel and went to the airport. Did you break anything? No. Did you take anything? There's some nice paintings. Didn't take it.

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Didn't break it. And we just went back to hotel. We actually went to Applebee's after that. Had a couple, had a couple brews and then went back to hotel and then went home the next day. That was basically – what I'm telling you is basically the full extent of what happened, at least from my group.

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So after 9 or 10 o'clock, anyone was on the street, you had the legal right, unless they were, what was it called? Essential. Essential, that you could arrest them for breaking the curfew. And I'm like, I'm not doing that. Right. I'm not doing that. It's ridiculous. So things like that were coming down. I'm like, man, this is not what I want to be a part of anymore.

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I'm in awe at that point. I'm like, oh, my God. This is like historic. Like there's a protest inside the Capitol, a part of this. Like it's just so crazy. It's so cool. I was just looking around, like looking at the statues and the paintings and, you know, it was just history. I'm like, this is really cool.

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Nothing about that. Zero about that. Before, during, after, zero conversations about any kind of.

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interruption in the uh the the election it's just like hey this is just insanity i can't believe that this just happened yeah that's that's exactly what it was you go to applebee's you have some uh chicken fajitas mozzarella sticks mozzarella sticks and uh beer and then you guys what you do you drive all the way back to florida

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No, we drove to, I think our flight was out of Virginia or Baltimore or something. I don't know, I pictured a convoy.

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The Hilux, the Toyota Hilux. Yeah. With a little machine gun in the back, the 50 Cal. So you fly back. We flew back. We were nervous, like going back to the airport and even going back to the hotel. We're like, oh man, we're nervous. Like, cause we were hearing people already getting arrested, like at the airport and stuff, people were getting picked up already.

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So we're like, oh man, this is, we're going to get arrested. So it was a little scary at first. But, I mean, that was basically it. We flew back.

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No, no. Months went by. I was always kind of nervous about it. Like, oh, man, maybe I'm going to get caught. But I had a mask on the whole time. Like, maybe I'm not, you know. And months went by. So you feel like you've done something wrong. If you're feeling like that, you feel like, well, listen. Yeah. My opinion, I did nothing wrong. I walked in. It was a protest.

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Certain points got out of hand. Certain people did things that I wouldn't have done. But I didn't do it. I didn't hurt anyone. I was just walking around in a building that I've paid for with my tax dollars for all my adult life. The reason why I was nervous is because everyone was getting picked up. So I'm like, man, I'm going to get picked up for this.

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I was nervous not because I felt like I was ashamed of it, but because what if I lose my job? What if I go to jail for this many years? So I was nervous about that. So July, I think it was July 15th, 2021. I am going to work. I get out of my vehicle. I have my lunch in my hand, my briefcase, and I'm walking into the office right before I get to the doors, like 30, 30 unmarks pull up.

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They all get out in their gear. They get me on the ground in the parking lot. And my entire staff was watching. Other offices were watching. Like, it was just a big fiasco. You had the FBI there. You had, I think, the marshals there. You had FHP, a bunch of different other city police officers. And so I got arrested, and I'm talking to them. I'm like, why did you guys do this at my job?

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So I went on to pursue different things. And how did the proud boys? Oh, so I was, yeah, I was still involved with them. And it's just, it basically, they try to politicize the proud boys. The proud boys is a drinking group where guys get together. They talk politics. I mean, you can't be left winger and join. Basically it's a right wing drinking group.

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I was like, was this intentional? And they're like, I don't know. It's because you have history as law enforcement, so we know you have guns. I was like, you could have surrounded my house and called me and said, hey, come outside. And I would have surrendered immediately. So you didn't have to do this, but they insist. That's what it was. It was purely for safety. So yeah, I got arrested.

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They took me back to the FBI office in Maitland, which is near Orlando. Tried to smooth me over. Like, man, you're in really good shape. Talk to us about what you do for your diet and workouts. And I was like, yeah, that's what I said. I was like, all right, look. I said, if you're legitimately interested, I'll tell you.

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I was like, but if you're trying to do this, like try to get me to interview with you, just be nice to me. I said, it's not going to work. They're like, no, we're interested. So I BS with them for like 15 minutes. Then they're like, all right, let me ask you a question about January 6th. I was like, nope. I said, we're done. Stick me to jail. It's like, all right.

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They took me to the federal jail in Orlando. I spent maybe like 10 hours in there. No big deal. Did they give you, I mean, they initially appoint you a public defender. Yeah. Initially the first day. Yeah. And then I hired an attorney after that. What did the public defender say? Just don't say anything. Just be quiet. You're gonna have a bunch of media outside. Don't say anything to them.

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Just let me do all the talking. And you just, when you get out, walk to your car, get a ride and go home. That's what I did. I regret it now. I wish I would have been mean outside, but I wasn't.

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Well, he was cool.

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Yeah, a regular attorney. And he was involved already with other J6ers. So I, you know, got him. What's he saying? They were both on our side. Like, this is total BS. Like, this is totally being exaggerated. If this was a leftist protest, it would have been just like a trespassing charge that you pay a certain fine. That's it. Boom, you're done.

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But they're overdoing this because it was related to Trump and because it was right wingers. You know, there's a political bias, especially in D.C. D.C. is all leftist. Yeah. They were on our side and saying – it was kind of grim at first. They're like, you're going to get some prison time probably, and it's probably going to be in the area of two to five years.

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So I was preparing myself mentally for it, that I was going to go to prison. But I didn't think Trump was going to win the election, to be honest with you. Are you serious? I didn't think he was. I mean, fairly, if it was fair, yes, but I thought they were going to pull a little –

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uh bait and switch and harris was going to win so i was not optimistic about i i was going to jail like i had to turn myself in in march so i i knew i was going to jail but my boy trump came through just say how how bad does this chick have to feel honestly

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So you get together a couple of times a month, drink some beers, talk about politics, work out together, just like a, you know, it's a men's group. Okay. So it's, it's been politicized over the years. You know, they throw the accusation of white supremacy because they, The media needs that white supremacist boogeyman because they've been talking about it for years. Right.

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Yeah, 15 million more.

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Have you, I think you're talking about this. There's a chart that I've seen online. It's like from Bush times, it's like 63 million. And then it goes to Obama and it's like, you know, 68 million. And then it goes to Obama again, 67 million. Then it goes to Trump, 60 something million. Then it goes to Biden. It's like 8%. 85 million. Yeah. Then back down to Kamala, 65 million.

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So it's like straight line almost for the last 20 years. And then Joe Biden, 15 million more. And then they just disappear.

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And that's not the reason why I went to D.C. Right. I went there. I personally believe there was – I'm not going to say it was – I mean, I believe that it was stolen. But let's just say – I'll say that there were circumstances like that and evidence that is – questions that have not been answered and everyone refused to answer them, weird things like that. But I didn't go to D.C.

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on January 6th to protest that. I went there to defend the people who were walking back to their cars and got caught up in a protest, and then I got upset, and then I started protesting because people were getting shot at. I'm like, these are peaceful people getting shot at with paintballs and stuff. So anyway, I digress. Go ahead.

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Yeah.

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They need that, which is the greatest threat to civilization. I mean, no, it's not. It's ridiculous. Right. They even say that. But no, it's not. The Broadway's not a white supremacist group. You know, are some of them unapologetically like pro-white? Like, yeah, white families, but you should be that no matter what you are. You know, I'm pro-whatever you are.

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I'm just walking around. If the DOJ had been fair to begin with, because you've seen these leftists burn down these cities, and they'll get a slap on the wrist. Six months probation. You threw a Molotov cocktail in a Starbucks, six months probation. Yeah, come on. Or you threw a rock, a brick at a cop, or we're going to give you three months incarceration, one year probation.

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I had a list of it stacked up because I was trying to create this evidence that it's a political bias, prosecutorial bias. Right. And I've seen this for years, for like the last like eight years that Antifa and all of them were doing. They were getting these baby sentences. And if the DOJ had been fair with me from the beginning and says, we're going to charge you with trespassing.

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We're going to offer you three months incarceration and, you know, two years probation. I'd have been like, all right, cool. You got me fair. I'll take it. I wouldn't have complained about it. You have guys going to prison for 22 years like Enrique Tarrio. He was sentenced to 22 years and he wasn't even there.

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17 years for this guys who just walked in, walked out yet like women who are in their 70s with cancer. We're going to give them eight months incarceration, five years probation. Come on, dude. It was it's totally overblown. The judges were in on it because they were chastising people. You know, hopefully you make better decisions and this and that and this. So it was overblown.

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That's why I feel like I shouldn't have done it any time. If they were fair with me at first, I would have been like, cool, let's do it. I totally agree to it. But after that, I'm like, no. Screw them. What did they come to you with? Initially, seven years. So seven years initially, that was like two years ago they offered me that. I said no. I'm like, I'm not going to take seven years.

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I'm not going to stay away from my kid for seven years. Right. Because I can't even know who I am by the time I get out. And then I, like a year later, July, they dropped that big charge, the 15-12. They dropped that. So now the guidelines went down. So it wasn't seven years. They said, we're going to give you up to 24 months. So I said, OK, I'll take that.

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So we went to sentencing January 8th and they asked for 24 months. The judge gave me 14 months and I had to turn myself in in March. I was cool with that. I was cool with that. I said, I'll do that. That's that's a slap on the wrist. Basically, it's, you know, what everybody else is. Yeah, I can eat that 14 months. But Trump came through, though. So, wait a minute.

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That was in March you were sentenced? I was sentenced in January. Oh, January? And I had to turn myself in this March. Oh, this March? Yeah. I was sentenced a couple weeks ago.

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I thought you were saying, you did say last July or whatever. July, they dropped the big charge of the Supreme Court. Right. September, I pled guilty because they changed the plea deal after that because, oh, they don't have the big charge anymore. September, changed the plea deal. I accepted it. January 8th was my sentencing, a couple weeks ago.

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And March 8th, I had to turn myself in for 14 months in Coleman. I was going to go to Coleman. Yeah, you were going to, what, Coleman Low or the camp? Yeah, I think they said Coleman Low, which I was prepared to do. I had a bunch of friends in there, and I was like, that's going to be easy, man. 14 months is easy. You went to high school, right? Yeah. Same thing.

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It's okay if you're black and you say you're pro-black or you're Mexican or whatever. Yeah, be pro-black. Exactly. That's acceptable. Yeah. Yeah, they make that acceptable, but you're pro-white, which you should be no matter what race you are, pro your people. Um, but the group itself is not a, uh, a white nationalist organization. Okay. So how, but how did you get involved with them?

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Yeah, I had friends there. I was talking to them. I'm like, yeah, well, I guess we're going to – and some of my other friends were getting sent there too. So I'm like, this is going to be really fun. So what happened when – I mean, did – so you didn't think that Trump was going to win? I did not. I did not. In November, I did not. I was –

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stressed about it like man i'm gonna have to go to prison and this this sucks at the time i didn't know what i was gonna get i knew it was gonna be up to two years right this is gonna suck i don't want to go to prison um but trump won i could not believe it i got hammered i think i drank until like 6 a.m and i just passed out like so happy so i mean did you and he had said he was gonna

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I don't think he ever said those words specifically, but he always alluded to, you know, I'm inclined to pardon them. Let me look at the cases. He never explicitly said it. So I was kind of like, man, maybe he's just like trying to, you know,

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not piss off you know the the moderates but also not not piss off the people who support him right so i was always like man maybe he's gonna do it a couple months in or you know before he leaves you know the presidency but man day one dude i can't believe i can't believe it um yeah how'd you uh find out like i was watching it live dude i was watching it live And I sat there all day watching it.

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I was drinking a beer, watching it all day. And once it came off, I think it was like 7 or 8 o'clock that he signed the pardon for 1,500 people. I was like, oh, dude, pass the bottle, man. I was so excited, man. Did you get a letter or anything? Not yet. I had to apply for the actual documents a couple days ago. They sent me an email for it. So I had to apply for it.

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But as of now, the pardon is real. It exists. He signed it. But I'm still like... It's processing right now. So I'm not out of the woods technically.

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You might want to get that framed. Yeah. I'm going to blow it up.

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You lost your job, right? That one, I didn't lose the job. I didn't lose it. I talked to my boss and he's like, it's like, fuck them. Like, you know, like, no, I'm not firing you. So I didn't lose my job. But once I pled guilty and I became a felon, I had to quit because I couldn't be hired. I couldn't have a license through the state. So I resigned because I was going to get fired anyway.

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Well, this was only a few months ago. September.

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My buddy, you know, through friends, I had side work. Oh, okay. I've been doing okay. Are you thinking about going back to that employer? Like, you resigned. It's not his fault. Like, he didn't. He kept you on that whole time. Yeah, they want me back. but I'm not sure what I'm going to do yet. I don't know what, what a career decision I want to pursue, but we'll see.

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Cause I'm just happy to be done with this.

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Like, so I just emailed them. Oh, okay. Yeah. I saw him on the streets in 2018, uh, at a Trump event. And so I emailed him and that's how I got in.

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I sent an email to the DOJ. I'm waiting on it.

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We're still under a certain company and that company, I don't, I never wanted them to find out because I didn't want, uh, I don't want to be fired. So that's why I tried to lay low.

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I deleted social media and all that because I didn't want my name to get out there because as soon as I got arrested, the next day I had people emailing my job like, Oh my God, you, you have, I don't even know how they found my email. My work email, they're like, you hire January Sixers, violent terrorists. And I got a bunch of emails and my boss is getting emails.

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And I'm like, so that's why I wanted to lay low. I want to take heat off my job. And I did successfully for years. Right. So that's the reason why. Maybe I will now. Who knows?

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I was going to say, we got...

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I don't care. I really don't care what you think. If you're mad at me, you can go fuck yourself. Sorry. Sorry.

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Sumter County or... I mean, I don't know the specific numbers, but there's a lot more than... There's a lot of guys in Florida particularly. There's a lot of Proud Boys across the United States. And, you know, the majority of them that I met are jam-up awesome guys and guys locally in the Orlando area. We work out together. We go to church together. We, you know, go to the bars together.

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You're 100% right. I'm at the point, though, that I don't really care. If you don't like me, you're mad at me. I can care less if you are. I'm just a regular guy. I have a wife. I have a son. I was a cop for nine years, and I've been a good upstanding citizen. And that, to me, was a patriotic day, and I'm not going to let people shame me into being reclusive and hiding and stuff.

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I'm not going to hide. I have nothing to hide, so...

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And we... Basically, it's just a camaraderie thing. You know, it's a support system for men, like-minded men.

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So I was making about after taxes. Oh, you're saying they're the proud boys, right?

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So I moved on to insurance and things like that. So it was this much safer as a cop. I was making about 800 bucks a week. after taxes, which is, you know, not terrible, but it's not enough to be chasing bad guys and getting shot at, things like that. But yeah, no, the Proud Boys, they don't pay. You have to basically, you don't pay, but you have to volunteer yourself, basically.

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Like your time, you know, you got to be there for your brother. Some chapters have dues, you know, for times like where guys get arrested, you know, give their family money, things like that.

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Oh, on January 6th?

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I had been to a few Trump rallies, but it was kind of like we wanted to start staying away from just showing up to every Trump rally. This was specifically because what you've seen – I don't know if you guys have seen it on YouTube and Facebook and all that – where these Trump supporters would go to Trump rallies and on their way to their cars, you'd have like Antifa, the anti-fascist.

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They would basically follow these families. I've seen a wife, husband, wife, and children being attacked by these people, being kicked, things thrown at them just because they're wearing MAGA hats. So I was pretty pissed off about that. So we went specifically because we figured that Antifa and all these left-wing activists were going to follow them again. Went there to make sure it didn't happen.

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And that's how we got kind of sucked up into the January 6th, the Capitol thing. And this is going to sound horrible, right?

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Yeah.

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Antifa are anti-fascist. Okay. So that's just the hyphenated, shortened versions, anti-fascist. And they view fascism basically as anything, first of all, it's involved with white families. If you're a conservative white family, you're a fascist. Anything that goes against like their ridiculous Marxist anarchist view.

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So they consider anyone who's against that a fascist and that's what they want to oppose basically. Okay.

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Yeah. So prior to the dictionaries that came out in like the 30s and 20s, 30s and 40s, they had fascism as ultra-nationalism. you know, patriotism, things like that. The term fascism was... Hitler ruined it. Well, it's... That's what it is. They hijacked it because they wanted to... Fascism was a good thing for the people at their time.

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They get a lot of these... If you look at the countries, the economy, things like that, They loved their country. The economy was doing good. Italy. It turned Italy around, right? And Germany as well. The German economy was doing really well. They hijacked it because it was... Fascism arose to fight communism and Marxism. So when you're trying to instill these...

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these Marxist values, Marxist whatever ideology, fascism was against it. That's why they label everything fascist, just so that you don't have to, it's a boogeyman word.

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Yeah, it could be anything. I would say El Salvador today is probably the closest thing to fascism that we have. Maybe not 100%, but it's the closest thing that we have. Right. They've eradicated crime there, basically. Yeah, they took that huge prison, right?

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Right.

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Right.

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It's like Andy pisses his pants at that point. He says, oh, my God, we're going into maximum security.

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I believe you.

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And does he get to keep the money?

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I got some questions.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Maybe not. So with these machines, do you guys control the payouts? Are you able to determine?

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Yeah. Yeah. I was just curious if, yeah, so 60, 40 was.

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Does this stuff still go on today?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What happened with that other partner? Do you know what happened with him? Not Sonny, but Ira.

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How does the machines work? Like, okay, so you put, are you putting in cash and then it gives you a receipt to take to the bartender?

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So, so if I go in, I put a hundred dollars in the machine and let's just say I win 500, the bartenders, what monitoring the thing and he's giving me the, the money that I want. Yeah.

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Well, I mean, it's like, it's like, you know, obviously everybody's heard this, you know, it's like reading a book and then seeing the movie. Like it's, it's just agony when you, you know, you know that, but the, you know, the, the viewer doesn't realize what's missing. So they don't miss it.

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So they feel they're okay with what they see because they don't realize like, oh, we didn't even talk about the third, you know, perpetrator or the next door neighbor that, you know.

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you know, the, you know, all of the, all the documents that you have to go through, like who acquired all that? Do you guys do like a Freedom of Information Act through, or does like the producer go and gather all that? And how receptive are the, is law enforcement or, you know, whatever the, whatever, whether it's state or U.S.

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attorneys, you know, and whether it's federal or state law enforcement, like how receptive are they For you to go and say, hey, we want to go ahead and run through your case again, because, you know, they're like, no, no, our case is perfect.

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We don't need your help. Thank you. We're good. Yeah. They say, no, absolutely. Come on, take a look.

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I don't feel like Chris Anderson would... He'd have stayed on the shore.

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He'd have been like, listen, I'm not going around down there. Can you send somebody else?

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He was... Yeah, he was a good interview.

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Very, very likable. Very funny. Very jovial. Okay. So, uh, I had another question, but you were talking and then I forgot what it was. It was, it was, I was wondering like, or so,

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I mean, have you had any issues where they, I mean, I kind of asked, but you, you, you not really like, have you actually had any issues with, you said that the ones that have been like adjudicated, you haven't had any where they, you started the process of saying, Hey, here's a case where we want to do. And then it just went so bad. You guys were like, scratch that.

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We can't, they're not cooperating.

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Are there any cases that stand out, not just in this season, but just, let's say, in your career? Do you have any cases that stood out that were really exceptional or challenging or

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Right. I mean, look at how many people, you know, DNA has proven that this was not the person.

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You know, that they were 100% sure, like, you know, all the evidence pointed toward them. And then suddenly, 20 years later, DNA comes out and it's like, oh, wasn't him.

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The moment the detectives talk to him and he says, no, I wasn't in the woods. No, of course not. And then they're like, oh, okay, that's it. He just doomed himself. Now he's locked himself into a narrative that the forensics don't support at all.

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That's hard to explain.

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Do you know what the resolution to that case was?

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Do you have it? Was this one that was that was an episode on the show or this?

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Right. So which episode stands out to you in either season one or two? Because I don't know if you want to say in season two yet. Or maybe you do. I don't know.

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Okay. I mean, is there, have you wrapped up season two, like all of them?

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Do you have anything else you're working on?

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Okay. Um, yeah, so like this may have blossomed into something else, into another type of...

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You know, I interviewed two women that they live in L.A., and They had started. How did it start? It was it was a true crime series that had started as a series. And I don't think they ever actually did anything like, you know, they you know, there was a plan, you know, just it just got to that that stage where it just wasn't greenlit. But everybody kind of involved liked it.

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And they basically said that, but the budget was, it's like, okay, listen, you know, like it wasn't worth risking the budget for the crime scene show. And what they switched it to was a podcast.

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And now they do a podcast. Oh, it was called. I know I'm not, I'm not, I can't remember. It was, but it was, it was something like I met my murderer online and it was about online dating. Oof. And so it was online dating and how somebody had met some guy on a dating website and they dated for three months or six months and then he had ended up killing her.

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In one case, a guy had met a woman online and he was leaving his wife for her and the wife killed The woman and then killed herself just to make sure that her husband that was, you know, just to make sure that he was as miserable as possible. Like, you know, to me, he's the one who's got to go. But that wasn't the way the wife felt.

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On this case, she had she she was playing by a different set of rules. But anyway, yeah, it had it had actually turned into to a podcast. So, you know, it's like there's always it's funny because usually it's like a podcast that turns into a show.

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Yeah. The brakes were put on.

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Um, all right. I mean, so do you, uh, can you think of anything we haven't covered? Because listen, I'm a talker. We can go on forever. I can, I can talk about anything forever, but this is about you.

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Do you do a lot of interviews?

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Right. So, Hammond, how did you get into this? Were like your police, I mean, were your, sorry, were your parents police officers? Were there law enforcement officers?

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I'm a coward, so I understand.

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I think about these things.

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Right. I, um, no, like I said, I watch a lot of, so everything. So there's like, I have like two or three things that I thought of when you were talking. So one is I told you, I watch a lot of the, of true crime and like cold case files as often. I'd say at least once or twice a month, I'll be somewhere with my wife and she has a, her daughter is Mary Shelley.

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Like we were at the beach a couple months ago and we're laying on the beach and Mary Shelley says, mom, can I have the keys? And, you know, to the car, I want to go get my whatever out of the car. And she was sure she gives her the keys. And as she's walking off, I looked at my wife and I'm saying, I'm telling you right now, this feels like the beginning of a cold case file.

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You know, and that was the last time we saw her.

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Just don't say that. I said, I'm just saying I would think about going, going with her because I said, this is definitely the scene. There were so many people, but nobody saw her again. Never made it to the car. The keys were found two days later in the bush. I said, she's like, oh, come on. I mean, but I think about that all the time. I'm like, something will happen. I'll be like, I don't know.

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I feel like I should call and tell someone that I changed. I'm not headed here. I'm now going to the mall. I'm like, yeah, you know, let me text somebody that I heard he was headed to get his haircut and they never saw him again. They found the body, you know, in the woods two months later.

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The other thing is, and I've heard that whole the whole thing about, you know, women, you know, why do they like true crime? And this is the thing. Women tend to and I think it's like 75 percent to 80 percent of true crime.

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is consumed by by women but it's it's actually and which maybe this probably is even worse it's really the more violent true crime stuff that they they crave because my my channel which the bulk of my channel doesn't focus on any type of violence Right.

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Not that there's not some stuff that does that, that where I get, um, I have a discussion about some kind of a violent content, but very seldom, right. I'd say less than 5%, maybe less, less, at least less than 10. Most of it is credit card fraudsters, scammers, you know, things like that. And so 82 to 83% of my viewers are men. Mm-hmm.

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And only and really only in the last year or so have I gotten more female subscribers, which is weird, right? Like it's I think that's weird that so many men are they're just, you know, that they. They they I guess they shy away from. You would think men would be more interested in violence, but it's just.

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Right. I looked at, I had a, you know, guys will come here and, and, uh, cause I, a lot of my, I probably once or twice, well, at least once a week, uh, I have someone come and we do an in-person podcast, right? And they'll come for two or three hours and leave. And I had a guy come one time, we did the podcast and he left and my roommate,

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When he walked out the door, and the guy was, listen, he was off. There was something not right. He felt there was a disturbing presence about him. And my roommate, when he left, he said, I'm telling you right now, that guy's going to come back and kill everyone in the house. He goes, I'm telling you. And I said, listen, I know. I understand. He said, tell her right now.

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He said, I feel very uncomfortable. I don't like this guy knowing where we live. I was like, oh.

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There is. Right. Like like I had heard that there was a study done where they had. People that had like I don't know if they'd rob they'd rob like they were robbers. Right. Like I don't know their purse snatchers or what they were, but they were basically robbers and they had studied people.

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And within like 80%, they could look at someone walking down the street and tell if that was someone that would rob or not. And like almost everybody they picked were people that had been robbed. And people that had been robbed are more likely to be robbed multiple times.

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Um, so what was the other thing I was going to mention to you was, yeah, that's, I don't know. I guess it doesn't matter. It's, it's, uh, it's bizarre. Uh, but yeah, true crime is, is super, I don't know why it's fascinating to me. And, and I, and I, and I actually do watch the, even the violent ones. Like, I don't really like them that they're the violent ones, but

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I do love, I guess, because I've, I've written several books and I've done a lot of research.

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Like I'm very curious to know how, how these guys piece, you know, how the, the, well, I guess not just the forensic scientists, but the, but the detectives and, you know, how they piece it together, especially when you've got people that are blatantly lying to you and, you know, how do you see through that? And anyway, yeah. So interesting. I find it interesting.

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Yeah. You know, like I was going to watch them that, like after I watched those two, then my wife and I was going to watch another one, at least another one. I couldn't get it to work.

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It also, it also could have been user error by the way. So, you know, like just on my, I'm not super tech savvy, but I was amazed that I got to work to begin with. So, okay, well, good. I, I, I really appreciate you, you know, taking the time to, to speak with me and I mean, I hope it does well. And if you figure out, you know, what the, the next gig is that you feel comfortable with,

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and you want to do a podcast on it, let me know. I'm available.

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Oh, how would nobody was going to ask you?

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Do you get recognized?

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Okay. I was going to say like, has that, like, what, like the first time somebody came up to you, was it just like, were you shocked or.

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Not already. So it's easy for them to recognize you.

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All right. Well, that's kind of cool, right? You got to. That's pretty cool to be recognized.

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Hey, I appreciate you guys watching. And if you like the video, do me a favor and share it to your friends and family. Also, if you haven't subscribed yet, please subscribe to the channel. Hit the bell to get notified of videos like this. Leave me a comment in the comment section. Also, we're going to leave any links on the show in the description box. And we'll also leave any social media for Ms.

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Burrows in the description box also. Really appreciate you guys watching. See ya. I am going to be interviewing former homicide detective Chris Anderson, and we're going to talk about some cases and his book and some, uh, what he's been doing. And so check out the podcast. I appreciate you coming on. Hey, no problem, man. I appreciate you for having me.

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So you were on Discovery Channel's, what was the name of the show? The name of the show was Reasonable Doubt. Reasonable Doubt.

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so i'm wondering when you go in and and speak with so you go to reinvestigate a case and you go and do the homicide detectives that had worked the case like are they are they okay with that are they irritated like they feel like hey this guy's you know looking over my shoulder or double checking my work or Or are they open to it, like, man, we want the help?

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Yeah. I, so I've, you know, I've spoken with a lot of, of, uh, law enforcement and I always, it's funny, like with my opinion of homicide detectives are that like they, they're very, they tend to be very focused on, on not convicting, but, but solving that crime. Like, cause you know, there's no, there's no worse crime than murder, obviously. Yeah. And it's, it's funny.

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You tend to get, you know, those are the guys that raise up through the ranks. You know what I mean? Like they have a goal. That's what they want to do. They want to, they want to get to become a homicide detective. So usually like the best, uh,

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the best guys and a lot of times that i've i've just noticed that they're super driven and they don't care about anything else it's like look like all these other crimes are you know almost a joke in comparison to murder it's like oh you're the guy had a gun okay great the guy was smoking pot okay great the guy had look i don't care about any of that i'll take any help you know i want

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I want to solve this crime and I could care less about anything that I have to do to get to that point or who I have to deal with and talk to because those other crimes don't mean anything, which I like about that. What I don't like is what you're saying. That would upset me. It's like, okay, I get you feel like the guy committed the crime. but do you really know it? Right.

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Did it matter what your master's degree was in?

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How long were you on the force before you became a homicide detective? And what made you want to become one in general? Oh, absolutely.

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Okay. Well, I mean, where were you born? I know we're jumping backwards now, but... Where were you born and raised?

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Do you have, are there any cases that stand out that.

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Right. Yeah, we've got some horrific crimes in Florida. Yes. I'm in Florida. I was raised in Tampa. Well, I was raised in Temple Terrace, but nobody knows where Temple Terrace is, so I should say Tampa.

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Yeah, I... So, did you have, like, where your... Are your brother... Any brothers, sisters, anything like that? Any...

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Yeah, that's right. It sounds like a lot. I was going to say, what are... What are the more complicated cases? The more complicated? So aren't most murders like it's kind of random, it just happened, it gets out of control? Or to me, like if someone really methodically thought out the crime, like that's a difficult case. Right.

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Hey, this is Matt Cox, and I am here with Alina Burrows, and she is the host of Crime Scenes Confidential. And she is an expert in forensic science. I've watched several of the episodes. You know, I mean, I thought they were really interesting, a little really kind of graphic, too. You know, like you really kind of get into. The whole thing. And I the one I thought was interesting.

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It's funny because I'll interview police officers or former mobsters or whatever, and up in New York, they always say the same thing. They're always like, listen, in the neighborhood, it's very much like, It sounds like something out of like a crime movie, but they all seem to say the same thing.

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I mean, but do you have any one in particular that's interesting that was complicated that you eventually put it together for some, you know what I mean?

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They're like, look, you were either going to be a criminal or you were going to be, you know, law enforcement or work for the government in some way. There was really only two paths. So I just I'm just always wonder when I talk to law enforcement. Yeah, it always is. And then a lot of guys like their their family members will will have. you know, military, law enforcement, that sort of thing.

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Or at least sometimes just government, you know, in some form or another, they work for the government somehow.

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Yeah. I was going to say the, the serial killers, you know, that, that is the whole thing that there's some long distance truck driver, they swing into it and they'll go after somebody who's vulnerable anyway, a prostitute or somebody get in the car. Nobody sees them get in the car. They find the body. Like how, how are you going to, how are you going to track this back to it?

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one of the 10,000 truck stops.

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That's exactly right. Without DNA, that's why they get away with so many. I always loved the books. Have you ever read James Patterson where he's got Detective Crossed? Uh-huh. Yeah. So, you know, I forget the name of his like nemesis, but they always make him seem so, you know, of course he's, he's a sadist, but you know, that was make him seem so brilliant.

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And so, and he thought everything through and the truth is most of these guys.

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they're just they're you know not not that they're stupid but they're they're so over or so driven by just you know instinct and they they make huge mistakes but they get away with it because there's like you said there's typically no connection between them and the victim so even though they made all these major mistakes the truth is is it's just difficult to pin them down and eventually it's got to take something like like dna and they're already got

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five convictions and they go ahead and admit to another 10 because they know they're about to be put into the electric chair or something. Right, right, right.

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Well, I was going to say, even with cameras being everywhere, you still have to go to the bank. You still have to go to the convenience store. You still have to go and, you know, you still have to, it's still all that running around to say, well, if he went this way, he probably would have crossed this liquor store and they've got a camera. So let's go there.

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You still have to put all those things together. Then you have to sit there and look through 12 hours of tape or 120 hours of tape or whatever the case may be. And then, you know, everything, it's just, I was going to say, it's like, you know, like I said, I've talked to a bunch of law enforcement. They're like, it's just like extreme boredom with these spikes of adrenaline.

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It's like being a soldier. It's like you're, nothing happens for, you know, three months straight and then you're in a battle for four days straight and it's just exhausting. That's exactly right. Yeah. As you say, I was in, you know, I when I was locked up and I would do all this research on guys and I'd order the Freedom of Information Act.

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Like it would be hours and hours of printing documents, paperwork, ordering docket sheets, reordering documents. And then the spike in adrenaline would be you get mail and you open up the transcript and on page seven, you're like, oh, yeah.

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I guess it depends on the type of attorney you are. I know a lot of attorneys and they always just seem, it's just so frustrating to Because things sometimes, you know, you feel they just don't go their way, especially criminal defense attorneys. Like, you know, you you meet the guy you're representing, you're the defendant. You think he's OK. You think. You know, we can negotiate this.

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Oh, um, man, I was gonna, I, I, you had said something and shoot. Now I can't remember. Um, Yeah, so we used to always joke about your co-defendant getting arrested, and it was always like, well, you know he's going to say something. No, he's not going to say nothing. He'll say something. No, he won't. And I'd say, you've seen the first 48. They're all talking.

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They're all going to, like, every one of the gangsters that walks in there ends up crying his eyes out within two hours and saying, you know, oh, you don't understand.

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So if you just killed someone, you can't possibly think you're going to talk your way out of it. I mean, they do. That face tells me, well, they do.

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The next thing you know, you know, he's got 20 years and you're like, wow, that just he didn't deserve that. Or or maybe or maybe deserved better than that or worse than that.

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It's funny. So listen, I'll tell you something you might find funny. Anybody watching this, these guys have heard me talk about this before. So, you know, I have all these, I've done all these podcasts, right? So you've got all the scammers out there think that I'm, you know, like the scam guru or I'm going to make them rich or, you know, they need to hook up with me or talk to me or something.

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And, you know, I would get these emails offering me money if I just talk to them. And I'm like, you know, no, no. And I actually had a guy one time who, you know, was texting me just kind of like on a, hey, I watch your stuff. I like your stuff. You know, so we're going back and forth.

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So even though I've never met the guy, you know, you kind of, I don't want to say necessarily a friendship, but, you know, you respond. Well, at some point, this is, we're talking about months later, six months later of talking on and off. He flies to Tampa. He tells me, hey, I'm actually, my girlfriend lives in Tampa. We're going down there. Okay. Hey, I'd love to buy you some Starbucks.

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Okay, I'll meet you for Starbucks. So I meet him and he tells me, He tells me, listen, I wanted to fly down and he, he'd been locked up before too, in, uh, in New York. And he said, look, I was locked up in New York. You know, like I, I did like, I forget three or four years. I never told on nobody. I'm like, okay. And he's like, so I wanted to come down.

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I wanted to let you know that, you know, I'm a solid guy. And I was like, okay. And he said, but I need some help, man. Like if I could, you know, if you could help me out, like if I could get like half a million, I forget what the amount was. He actually had like a specific amount, like 400,000 or something. He said, you can help me get 400,000. You got me get 800.

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He's like, I'll split it with you. He's all you got to do is tell me how to do it. I'll go in the bank. I'll go and sign the papers. I'll do this. I'll do it. And he's going on and on and on. I'm like, right, right, right. And I said, okay. And I said, well, you understand. I said, I'm basically already. Well, I said, once you get caught, I'm already on the indictment.

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And he goes, what do you mean? I said, he goes, no, man, I would never say nothing. I would, I'll just take it. If I, I said, no, no, no, no, no. Let me explain something. I said, let's say you never bring my name up. Once they grab you, I said, and they will grab you. I said, so they're going to get you. I said, you're going to tell somebody. No, I would never tell somebody.

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I said, stop something. You're going to tell somebody. You're going to brag. It's going to end up connecting to you somehow. I said, you know what they're going to do? They're going to pull your phone records. They're going to see that we've spoken on the phone. They're going to see that there's text messages. They're going to look me up. They're going to go into a grand jury.

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They're going to add my name to the list of conspirators. I said, because this is something I'm known for. I said, so they're not going. I said, they're going to read my record. They're going to read the transcripts. They're going to see that you've come down here. They're going to see that both our phones were at their Starbucks for 45 minutes. I said, you flew back the same day.

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And then three months later, there was you stole a million dollars. I said, I'm already done. I said, and you know what? I said, I can't even go to trial because I can't take the stand in my own defense. I said, because I've got a history. So I have to sit there while they read off all these things and they allege that I've done something.

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Even though right now I'm telling you, get on the plane and fly back to New York. I said, well, that's just the way it is. I said, I'm already done. I said, so I don't need to give them any additional information. And I said, that's if you keep your mouth shut. And the truth is, I said, once you're locked up and they say, look, you can get two years. You're looking at eight now. You'll get two.

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We know Cox. All you have to do is say that he helped you. Yeah. And we I literally got up and we left and he was going, no, no. I was like, stop. So you don't understand how the electronic surveillance alone connects everybody. If I was on the jury, I wouldn't think I wasn't a part of it. So so it's it's, you know, it's tough.

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I was going to say, it's funny, that's like committing a crime. And let's say I commit the perfect, me and three guys, we go and we commit this perfect little conspiracy. We get a couple million dollars. We're thrilled. We walk away. That's great. You walk away or I walk away. But then two years later, one of those guys commits a crime. And it's serious.

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And he says, you know, and the detective says, look, you can help yourself out. Like you could do five years or you could do, you could do one year, you know, you know, anything. Well, you know what? Yeah. They're going to take on deal. Right.

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Yeah. Um, yeah, it's. It's insanity nowadays. There's the technology, DNA, cameras, everything. It's rough.

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I was going to say, what was the term? Transference? Yeah, transference.

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So how did the I mean, how did you end up, you know, getting on the show or doing the show? Was it your idea or were you approached?

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I was going to say there was the, this was recently, I want to say like maybe a week or so ago, a buddy of mine mentioned it to me that some guy had committed a murder and one of his family members had gone on Ancestry DNA and uploaded their DNA and they were like, look, a relative of this guy's. Yep.

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committed that murder and so they sure enough they the detectives connected it all and said okay boom that's our guy that's the next door neighbor and a week after the killing he moved across the country isn't you know yeah there have been a couple of cases i've researched uh one of them was ah man upset

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Oh, yeah. Yeah. But I'll bet that was still, that was still a lot of phone calls, a lot of fill-in, a lot of wait, a lot of, you know, somebody. Absolutely. And somebody has to put that together. Somebody has to be, a couple of guys got to be sitting in a room with their banging their head against the wall. And somebody says, you know what? This was a long shot. Yeah. What if we did this?

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So all that, you know, first they run the DNA through it and then they go, ah, well, let's see if we can get a relative. Maybe he didn't do it. He's not going to upload his DNA. Maybe a relative. Okay. Run it again.

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Okay, so you were on the first 48, and then you did Reasonable Doubt? Yeah, yeah, yeah. My memory is horrible. So reasonable doubt. So, I mean, are there are there any other projects along those lines like that you're looking at or pitching or thinking about?

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Okay. any, any new books you're working on?

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I, I did, I interviewed both of them. Okay. Uh, we all went to dinner. Uh, he met my wife. Uh, who else was there? Uh, gosh, John a light was there. So was, um, Mike Dowd. Do you know who that is? Yeah. Mike Dahlia. So he was there. Um, And there was a bunch of people there. So we all had dinner. And then we did the podcast, I think, the next day. And listen, what a horrible podcast.

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Like, I mean, they're in tears. I'm in tears. I borderline cry most of the day anyway, just in general. And these two guys, they're tearing up and I'm tearing up. It was... After an hour, it was like, I, I, I typically in the middle of the day, like don't want to take it. Like, I'm not the kind of guy that's like, Oh, I'm going to go take a nap.

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Like, I mean, I wanted to go crawl in bed and just sleep for like an hour. It's emotionally draining. Yeah.

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Yeah. He, a couple of months ago, he asked me, Hey, when are you going to be in, in, in New York? I think it's in New York, right? Or New Jersey, New York, Jersey. Well, yeah. So he asked me, well, are you going to be up here anytime soon? I was like, no, man. No, I was like, I don't,

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Um, it's funny cause I actually have another podcast I need to do. I, I gotta see the problem isn't, I don't know. There's actually like three podcasts in that general area. The problem with that general area in my mind.

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you know new york city and that general area is not that big but the the truth it but it is big there's like three you know like from one podcast like new jersey to you know there's like this this guy so i i tracked it i went on google maps it's okay this guy's address is this this well that's four hours like if this guy's an hour and 45 minutes like i

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Well, I mean, I guess it wasn't just. The forensics, but it was the fact that it seemed like the police got on to one of this is the guy that had like the furniture store. Yeah, it seems like they decided he was he was guilty and then they just stuck with that.

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So you said 18 months of dealing with the production company. Did the production company go to A&E or did they pitch the... the project to different networks and then get a budget to do the show.

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Did you shoot a sizzle reel?

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Right. How many episodes do you do?

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Do you have anything to do with what makes the show? Because, I mean, you know, obviously they end up with 30, 40 hours of video that some video editor trims down. I mean, you must watch the episodes and just be like, you know, like, oh, that didn't make it. Or, oh, that was a good, you know, oh, they didn't really explain that very well. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

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So dad, he had a trust and basically mother didn't like the terms of it. In many other families, when money is involved, people start cutting each other's throats.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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Yeah. Well, and the document itself shows you and your sisters were.

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Right.

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But at that point, when did you jump to, you know, storm, uh,

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And it's it's the dispute or or is in John's, you know, the way John puts it, basically, it's the theft of a 30 million dollar inheritance and the IRS IRS is unwillingness to look into it or the authorities unwillingness to look into it.

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What is it?

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Right.

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That's the shirt. That is the shirt. So you pull the baby out.

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So why is he, so he's just trying to wear you down and bankrupt you and- Well, no, it's worked.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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Right.

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Right. Or she's got these, she, or she's done amazing things with her investments and then also just not told the IRS about it.

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And not disclosed it to anyone. Right.

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Right. Well, I was going to say, too, and your mother's the one providing all this information.

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She's good. She knows what she's doing. She's a gangster. It was just an accident. It's all just an accident. So what is ultimately the goal? Let's assume... Let's assume that you go to the two lawsuits and you prevail. What would be the ultimate goal?

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I don't know if you're a NASCAR fan. No, my dad did it. My dad went. Did he drive? Yeah, he got to drive. You know, they let you like with an instructor or something.

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No, I didn't. You know, it was for like a birthday present given to him by my sister.

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Well, I mean, I think it happens a lot. think like you know I said I think it happens a lot more than people realize you know there's a house that's in dispute there's people argue over they start changing deeds they start running up credit cards they start you know the person in control ends up funneling money to themselves you know that sort of thing

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And, you know, and in my mom, my mom's case, my my sister handled all the money that was involved, everything. She's as far as I can tell, she's been, you know, amazingly successful. Yeah, very, very, very. Everything's very like she's always ready to be like, look, here's what this is. Here's what happened. Here's the here's this. So here's what I did with it. You know, more more than fair.

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And it's not like she's charging for it. Like, you know, in her opinion, she's like, well, you know, I have the time and I this and that. And she was always, you know, great.

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great there with my with my mother handled everything for like my mother couldn't have had a better representative um but in in a lot of people's case cases i i see things you know people taking advantage of the situation um and and i even when i was in prison i saw guys that were in prison trying to figure out how to get like get their their you know my my their mother was sick or their dad was this and how do i get this and how do i get that and was always like

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You know, like, bro, what are you doing? You know what I'm saying? Like, I mean, or even worse, either they're trying to figure out how to get the house out of their parents' name into their name because it's their inheritance. Like, oh yeah, both of your parents are still alive. You know, what are you doing? Or it's my dad died and I just found out that my sister died

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a month later sold the house. Like, how is that possible? I'm like, well, is there a will? He's like, no, she's no, there was no will. Like I even asked what he got sick. Like, well, is there, what does the will say? And it's like, well, how did, how did they get the house out of your father's name into her name? Or I had somebody one time where a mother had died and,

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And the brothers, the siblings were trying to sell the house out from underneath, like another sibling, you know, like there's all these different things that happen when, when, when a parent dies and there's no clear there's no clear instructions left. But, you know, the problem is, is that the court, if there's instructions that,

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And it's even if it none of it makes sense, they typically go with the instructions, even though it's so easy to alter the instructions. You know what I mean? Like, it's very easy. And they're like, well, we got a signed document. That's it. It's like, wait a second. This doesn't make sense. Like, look at what just happened. They don't a lot of times they don't they just don't want to look at it.

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They don't you know, they don't. Let's face it, the judge. doesn't have a stake in it. He doesn't give a crap. And the people that are representing your family are other attorneys that he sees all the time.

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Yeah, you can't, yeah, this is a protest.

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Mm hmm.

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Well, so in the fall of 04... Just after you did the Richard Petty thing or when you were just thinking about it?

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Okay.

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and it's a it's an interesting story and so we're gonna get into it so check it out do you live in orlando you came over here from orlando and we talked a few weeks ago we you approached me a few weeks ago and um you've got a there's a video online where you break it all down and so i watched a portion of that video.

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So it was like Friday the 13th, August 13th. I'd taken off by then. I was on the run by then. But yeah, I do remember. I mean, I've lived in Florida most of my life. There's always hurricanes every year or two.

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Right.

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They called you, you called them.

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Then we ended up talking on the phone and then that's how we ended up getting here. And so the crux of the story real quick, just to let people know, like what they're getting into is that your father had an, had an estate worth roughly, according to your mother, roughly $30 million. Correct. She told you that it was worth 30 million. Yes. Then your father's will suddenly changed. His trust.

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Nice. Did you get any money?

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screw that yeah i i'd heard that about um walmart that walmart will practically bankrupt you slowly putting putting off like they don't pay you for like 90 days and they're a billion dollar company if anyone has the money to pay you them right so you have to go out and you have to finance you know whatever several million dollars worth of products to fund all their stores and then

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Sorry, his trust changed a few weeks before his death. 16 days before he died. Right. So it changed unexpectedly. And your mother suddenly valued the estate to the IRS at $8 million. And then essentially... Made made a bunch of changes to the trust and has since. I mean, this is a very choppy version of the story. And basically, there's been a dispute between you and your mom.

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And then they have to sell that. And then if they decide to put your product in a shitty area of the store, you don't get the sales. And then you're stuck with, okay, well, I didn't get any sales, but you also stuck me in the back far corner. You didn't advertise it. You didn't do some of the things you were going to do. And you can't fight Walmart.

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And then they send you half the money that you should have gotten. And you now have financed these. You've got this massive payment and Yeah, I knew a guy that – well, I knew a guy that knew a guy that was providing, like, T-shirts for Walmart for something. And he did it for, like, three years or something.

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And he said he was just – he said, I was just sick to my stomach every single – every quarter it was – It was horrible. And then he said, finally, one day something happened and the check came in for almost nothing. And he went, he had to go bankrupt. He's like, like, I thought he said, what I had always prayed for was to get into Walmart. I then got in. He's like, I didn't ruin my business.

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It just destroyed him.

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But he is a bit of a jerk.

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Have I read anything about Steve Jobs? Was he a nice person? No, he was a horrible person.

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I was going to say typically that the problem is with people, especially nowadays, they want you to be sweet and nice and wonderful. But the truth is, is that the guy that gets things done is typically not the nice, sweet, wonderful, caring person. He's probably a narcissistic prick that pushes everybody that nobody really likes, but he's also the guy that gets things done.

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How dare you talk about Mark Cuban and call him narcissistic, but that's, you know, yeah. Or listen, um, uh, Steve jobs. Like, I don't know if you, um, I forget the name of the guy's names. Like Isaac. Yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's about this day. It is. Yeah. I read it in prison. Yeah. Listen, does not paint him. Did you like it? I thought it was great. I mean, I thought it was too long and I thought it was, they were, they were, it was just, but he was also an amazing person and deserve that, that, that much coverage.

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But, and look, what was great about Steve jobs was toward the end of his life when he convinced him, he wanted him to write his book and he, he had a conversation with him. He's like, look, You're not micromanaging this. Like if I write it like any brutal things that people say, it's going to be what it is. And he was like, I'm totally OK with that. And so Mark. So I mean, Mark, sorry.

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But so Steve Jobs was OK with being he he knew I'm a prick. He's he was OK with being presented that way. So. When I read that book and people said nasty things and he also had a ton of people that said amazing things about him. And he was clearly an amazing person, you know, even though it always to this day will bother me that he didn't take a lot of showers when he was, you know.

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Yeah, he was, you know. Eccentric? Yeah. Listen, but those, all of those guys are. You know, all of them end up being, you know, nut jobs. Well, Bill Gates isn't. Bill Gates is a nut job. Steve Ballmer isn't. They're all fucking jerk-offs. Are you kidding me? Steve Jobs? I mean, Bill Gates is a horrible human being. I would disagree.

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Initially, it was you, your mom and your whole family, your family, the entire family. And then essentially your mom saying, look, this whole state's eight million and it's it's all mine. And she's but she's somehow managed to spend what five. 14, 15 million. It's a miracle. Right. And she still has 10 or 11 million dollars. It's another miracle. Right. So has a ton of money left.

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And he owned a ton of real estate in New York and slums and stuff.

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I think that's what it takes to build a company like that is probably being ruthless. I mean, Bill Gates was ruthless. He would buy out competitors. He would, he would, uh, would threaten small, uh, vendors that he wanted a piece of everything that they sold. Like he had a bunch of tactics that he performed that were unethical.

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Um, he, you know, there was lots of things that he did, uh, going in and getting the, um, Well, the greatest thing he did... What? Microsoft stealing the... The operating system. The operating system from Microsoft. They didn't steal it.

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Yeah. So, I mean, so, to say, like, just because you're polite and friendly in person doesn't mean that you're not... Bill Gates at least... Screwing people on the side, you know?

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So obviously the estate was never worth the eight million. She told the IRS it was always worth at least 30, roughly the 30 million dollars that she had always said it was worth. And then but there have been these really, I hate to say comical incidents. it's almost like it could be like a movie, like a comical movie. Like it could be a satiric kind of a movie just in...

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Or maybe Bill Gates is just... Got an easier or got a heavier thumb on what his sensors on the sensors and how he's how he is portrayed in the media. If you go into Russia right now, 90 percent of the citizens will tell you Putin's a wonderful human being. Well, yes, you get that reputation when you're in 100 percent control of the media. Like, so I'm sure it's like. But it doesn't matter.

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We don't have to all agree. Maybe he's a wonderful person. So anyway... So what's next?

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You know what's funny? It's funny how many people it's crucial to them that the person that they're working with, they like. It really, and that always amazes me. Like to me, I don't care if I hate your guts. I don't care if you hate my guts. If you can get it done, then that's it. I'll put my pride aside. You know what I'm saying? But there's so many people that like, oh no, no.

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Well, I don't like the way he talked to me or I don't like that. Like, so what? He's got this. He can do this. He's good at it. He can get this. He can actually execute it. Like, I don't have to like this fucking guy. We're not going to dinner. We're not friends. I don't mean you. I just mean in general, anybody in general. But so many people nowadays like, oh, well, he needs to be a nice person.

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And he needs to do this. He needs to give the right charities. And we need to have the same values. And we... What delusional world are you living in? That's just because society is so fucking soft now.

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A handshake, right?

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If you change your faucet, you're supposed to get a permit. If you change your toilet, you're supposed to get a, you know, nobody's doing that. Nobody, you know. Okay, so your father. Yeah. Sorry. Go ahead. I was going to say, so your father. So at what point in time are we right now?

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Or is it a contributing factor?

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I was going to say like an Adam Sandler movie, but where basically it's outrageous the kinds of... I mean, it's horrible from your perspective, I understand, and I'm sorry to make light of it.

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I had to kind of figure that out. Well, you know, you have to give the reader some credit. You don't have to, I figured anybody who's reading it at that point would say, Oh, that's probably where he got the title from.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Okay.

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Your father died. He had, he, he died of a inoperable cancer or something.

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You probably won't. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Listen, I was going to, I was sitting here thinking to myself when you said my book was good, it was great. I was thinking, well, I know Connor read it, but I know Connor's never read anything. I don't think Connor's ever watched an entire video if he wasn't editing it. Um, but, uh, uh,

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But it's outrageous the amount of kind of corruption that appears to be... In all of these transactions that go back and forth. And the problem is that you're trying to get relief through the courts, which are not really set up to help anybody, especially at the expense or to go against. um, a member of the court, you know, like, uh, the other lawyer.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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um no yeah probably you were talking about or the i we don't i don't explain you had talked we talked about my book that i never explained the title and then you were explaining i think it was leading into you explaining your the title of your book no i i wasn't doing that as a lead into the book it just kind of happened but back to back to your book um i i read it

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One, just like, oh, you didn't have their permission to use their real name or, you know, to talk about. No, but, but what I did have was I had things that were in public record. And a lot of times, like if I say I bought this vehicle at, it's a lot of times people will say, man, you got a great memory. But the truth is, I really had my discovery.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So the government would say, Mr. Cox bought this vehicle, this paid $50,000 for this vehicle at, you know, $50,000. Whatever, you know, Charles Earnhardt Ford. So now I because I can't remember the date. Yeah. But in the book, like they'll have like usually I didn't bore people with the exact date. I'd say like in late April or early May, whatever.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Sometimes I use the exact date if I was like a closing, like on this day, on the 22nd of May, I closed on this day. I closed on this house, borrowed this much money. Two days later, I borrowed this much money on the same house. A week later, I bought. So I would do that.

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But I had those dates and those names, mostly not because I have good memory, but mostly because it was a part of my discovery in some form or another. And also, but the people's names that I used, those people had been interviewed by by the FBI or the Secret Service, U.S. Marshals, or they'd been in newspaper articles.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So a lot of that stuff I was pulling from public records or they had been listed on an indictment or so they were already out there. But my whole thing was. which is different than yours, is that you're being sued because these people are trying to shut you down.

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In my case, I felt if someone sues me because I use their name, then they now have to go in front of the court and say, one, you slandered my name. And at the time, and like I know people in prison, right? So I can get legal work done very inexpensively. So what my whole thing was, I was like, I'll just prepare a document, provide all the proof.

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And now all the things that you're saying, he smeared my name. I can say I got it from this article. I got it from these three documents that where you talk to the U.S. attorneys. I got it from the indictment, which you're listed on. Like, and these are things that you said to me because you were a part of this fraud.

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The people in my book that I've spoke bad about don't want to do that because they know what if Matt provides all of these documents. Now, not only am I listed in a book, I'm now in, I'm now got a lawsuit.

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So if a lawyer says, if a lawyer lies, a lawyer, a lot. Yeah. If a lawyer lies, a lawyer lies, right? So if a lawyer lies about something and says, this is the way it is, your honor, the, the judge typically say, okay, well, this is a, this is a member of the court. So we were going to go with his opinion.

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in federal court where he's now showing all the actual documents that prove that i did help commit this fraud and was involved with this fraud right now it's just a name and a book it doesn't really come up i'm not that worried about it and also it'll if they allege slander they take this and it blows up absolutely and i could turn around and anytime there's a lawsuit filed i

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Knowing me, I'll turn around, I'll hit up 10 different reporters and say, hey, by the way, I'm being sued by this person about my book. It gives me an opportunity to get an article written. Now you're in the news.

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Now you're going to end up in New Times Magazine or Rolling Stone or who knows what magazine, the Tampa Tribune, who knows what magazine might pick it up and write a 500 or a 1500 word article about me being sued over this book, which only gives me more publicity. And now it puts you on the, And page two of the, you know, the St.

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Petersburg Times, which is closed, but or, you know, the Atlantic Journal Constitution now runs it how this guy's being sued because he said this person slandered him. But there's all this evidence that shows he was a part of this major fraud. And it talks about the book like people aren't stupid. What they do is they get that.

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I wouldn't be surprised if five or six people haven't gone to some attorney. yelled and said, look, this is what's happening. I want to sue him. The attorney looked at it and said, OK, listen, here's what's going to happen. Here's what it's going to cost you to sue him.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Now, if you want to give me $15,000 or $25,000 to sue him, and in the end, he gets the lawsuit thrown out of court because he can provide all the documentation and he didn't really slander you. You can't prove that it cost you money or harmed you. So the issue is you're going to cost yourself $25,000 to maybe be more embarrassed about something that you actually did.

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Now, as opposed to in your case, you're being sued because the lawyers are hoping to get you in a position where they financially harmed you to such a degree that you drop all of these allegations and just go away and stop complaining. And that's what they're there.

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In my opinion, that's what their real goal is, because you can show like, hey, you said this, which was a lie and you lied to the court. And here's how the here's the proof. Here's the proof. And they're suing you anyway.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So they're trying to get you to a position where they can get a judgment, where they can get favor with the court in those proceedings to get a judgment against you or get you shut down in some way. Because the truth is, I know over and over again, many times, if you're a lawyer, you're an officer of the court, and you show evidence to the court, and then there's

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there's evidence that contradicts that the court's going to go with the lawyer. So if the lawyer spins it or twists it in such a way that he can get a good result from, from them, then he's going to do that. And on top of that, it costs him nothing to sue you. He's a fucking lawyer.

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regardless of the fact that you're going, yeah, but your honor, I have this proof and this proof and this proof. Yeah, I know. But this lawyer just said, that's not true. And I didn't disregard that. And so the courts have essentially are disregarding all of the proof and you're not getting any, you haven't gotten any help from the courts. You're not getting any help from law enforcement.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But first I'd like to, let's go back to your father. Sorry. Let's go back to your, your father dying or your passed away.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I mean, I feel like I kind of know the difference. I mean, typically you have a will and it kind of liquidates everything in the will and a trust is kind of like a living instrument that goes on, right? That is set up to do certain things that can continue. And that's my opinion. A will is kind of finite. This is who gets this, it determines who gets everything and then it's shut, it's done.

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That to me is the difference, but I could be wrong.

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You're not getting any help from the IRS, even though it's over, even though the evidence appears to be overwhelming in your defense. So with that said, that's essentially what we're going to get into. Right. But, What I would like to do is kind of start at the beginning, which is where were you born?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They call it familiar. Yeah, family members. Yeah, they're people that you're close with.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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My mother was on hospice, yeah. Hospice, okay. She's completely dependent on everybody around her to help her do anything or say anything. She's on her way out. Vulnerable? Extremely vulnerable. Extremely vulnerable. And yet, at the time, you were probably like, you know, mom, can I... Yeah, she was extremely vulnerable the last few years of her life in general.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Just, you know, when you're being waited on hand and foot by everybody around you, like her mind was gone years before and she was still fairly sharp, but it wasn't hard to convince her to do anything if you wanted her to.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I mean, I would be, you know, obviously I would be furious, but you know, what's, what's funny about that is that like, you know, I have examples of her being taken advantage of by family members. So just being asked to pay for this or buy this or use your American express card to buy this, or don't you want to buy so-and-so this, you know, you know, grandma or whatever it is. And it's, Oh, of

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course. Well, I mean, she's feeble minded. She doesn't know how much money she does. She doesn't even understand how her bills are being paid. Like she thinks I've got plenty of money, but the truth is you don't have plenty of money anymore. The money's gone.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, that's, that's the worst. I mean, that's one of the worst things. Like people talk about my crime all the time, right? Yeah. guys will be, we'll go on and they'll say like, to me, 99% of all my victims are banks. Right. Institution. Yeah. Banks and, and, um, uh, insurance, sorry, the title insurance companies that had to maybe repay the bank or, um, I have four individual victims, right?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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All of them perfectly within, you know, the mentally capable of, of their faculties, 100%. Um, And it's less than $30,000 between all of them. And I didn't take any money from them. They just hired an attorney to fix what the damage I'd done to their house's title, whatever, which in and of itself is a horrible thing. And I certainly should have known that was going to happen at the time.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Complete scumbag move on my part. But what always gets me is people when and I usually if somebody said, man, you're a scumbag for that. Absolutely. If you say what I'm a scumbag for what I did, I agree with you. But when guys will come in in the in the comment section and go, this guy's a piece of shit. He stole from old people. He whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like that's their go-to move because you know why? Because they know that's the worst thing you could say to someone. That's one of the worst things you could accuse a fraudster of. Being a fraudster in general makes you a piece of garbage. But when you specifically went out of your way to steal from old people, people are disgusted by, fraudsters are typically disgusted with each other.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It's like, okay, bro, I took Visa for 20 grand. You went and stole 80,000 from an old person. Like, what are they going to do? Like, that's not they don't they can't bounce back. They can't work an extra year or two and replenish that money like that's that's fucked up. So I mean, so I know exactly what you're saying.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And I was going to say another thing is, you know, before we get too into it, is that your sister's saying that that, you know. mom wouldn't do this or family members wouldn't do that. Listen, I I've seen family members in many other families when money is involved, people start cutting each other's throats. And I mean, it's despicable.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I, and I, my friend, I have a friend tree on his father died, um, I wanted to ask you, is that his real first name? Yeah, Treon.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yes. There's Treon, Troy, and Trent was the three boys' names. And his dad died like a year or so ago. And when he passed away, before he passed away, Treon was at the hospital with him. And he said, so I'm sitting there with my dad. He said, the guy... Like he said, in like the next, the same room, but like over further, passed away.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He said, and while they were sitting there with their father, as the father like died, I want to say this is how he said it happened. He said, like, as soon as they said that, as soon as the doctor said, you know, he's gone. he said, he said, we're talking about, he says, there's like three guys there. There's two girls, three guys, a couple of kids immediately.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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As soon as they said, you know, okay, he's, he's passed away. Um, one of the brothers goes, I get the truck, bro. I get the truck. And he goes, no, man, you don't get to, I listen, man, I'm the one that put the, the new wheels on that truck. I, and somebody else is like, look, I don't care. I want his furniture. I went like, he said, Treon said, I, he was like, the guy wasn't even cold. Um,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Okay.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And they were already fighting over his furniture and his truck. And Treon, he said, bro, he said, I couldn't believe it. I couldn't believe it. But that's how people, those are obviously scumbags, but people, when money is involved, you know what people are really like when money's involved.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I was in federal prison. I fought my whole case on indigent.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I think about my mom all the time.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. Me too. As much as funny, as much as I try not to.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I mean, she was hardworking. She was extremely. She worked her whole life. She worked in different capacities. You know, I think of obviously being a homeowner or being a housewife as part of that. But yeah, she was extremely hard worker.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Her and my dad. My dad, you know, when you say, when you said, oh, I worked, you know, 80 90 hours a week like I don't think people realize how much that how much working that is and i've done that like I I literally that's literally I worked 96 hours a week for about

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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three three or four months one time where and that's literally 12 hours a day not including drive time so driving an hour to work so working 12 hours driving an hour i was working 14 hours a day i was either in my vehicle or working and i did that for like four or five months well about four months and long before cell phones so it's not like you could no no this is back in the this is back in the um

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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back in the eight, this is back in the late eighties. So, but I was going to say, my father worked 10 to 12 hours a day. Like he worked, this is a guy that left at, you know, seven, eight in the morning and got back at six o'clock at night and expected to have dinner on the table. My mother raised four kids. She wasn't doing that. She was a school teacher.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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She, you know, she worked in the, you know, worked in the garden, kept up the whole house, you know, did, did all the things that she did, you know, listen, super, you know, good values. She was a great, a great mother, great, you know, a great wife. So yeah, honest, hardworking, very hardworking, always pushing, always striving to want her kids to be better. So yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, she was super. Listen, I had a girlfriend that I dated once. I met her when she was, I was like 16 or 17. She was 15, 16. My parents helped buy her her first car. After we, she and I broke up, my father financed a vehicle for her and let her make payments every month for five years. My mother, after...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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My mother used to pick call her every few months and say, I'm going to Ross or I'm going to Marshalls. Would you like to come with me? When can you go? And she would tell her her day off, take her with her and then have her pick things out and pay them pay for them. So, yeah, my mom was she was great.

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Well, they're hidden well.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Look, I'm 6'2".

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I'm 5'7".

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Something's wrong. Right. And the signatures don't. Why wouldn't the new attorney at least work so that for the, for the sake of, of, you know, of not appearing to be, to have a, an issue, why wouldn't the attorney ask them to be present? Ask who to be present? The Illinois attorney and the bank representative.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I mean, even if it's not, even if they're not doing anything that's, that's unethical, like why not go ahead and request them to be there just to, so that it doesn't come up in the future.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Okay. Which is funny too, because there are so many people out there that have, they, if they have no real, like everything they know about the law, they watch law and order. They watch some program. and everything they know about legal, you know, they've watched these news, these programs and they think, well, that's how it is.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like the law profession is very, they're all very ethical and they're always concerned there. But the truth is there's, I've met so many shysty scumbag. What is it? What's the Saul? A better, better call Saul kind of, you know, those kinds of tricky changing this, altering this, you know, those kinds of attorneys that are out there.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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that most people don't realize that there's a huge chunk of crooked attorneys that are out there. It's just not hard to find one.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He's probably great. Very ethical.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Is a kangaroo a marsupial?

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I'm not. If you're thinking he's going to look something up, like this is not, this isn't Joe Rogan where I've got a guy that's looking anything up.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Here's John D. Smith Jr.

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Not trying at all.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And I'm just going to... Yeah, we were saying they don't look alike. Like there was the huge gap and the one is...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It's like, here, he's incapable. The letters, you know, like, the way they're writing the letters do not look like it's the same person, you know, wrote it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, I mean, in general, is that what his normal signature kind of more or less looks like? Like, was it fairly consistent? Well, my signature is fairly consistent. You know, it's very loopy and...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. It's, it's just, if anybody's watching this knows what the logo is, it's the, it's the barbed wire surrounding two fists. If you click on that, it'll bring you, it'll give you a free download.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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OK.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. There's no way... First of all, there's no way you're not going to have the original. You're going to have the original. You're going to throw out anything. You're throwing out copies of it or anything. You're going to try and keep the original.

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Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, then it doesn't exist in the form that you're trying to pass it off on. Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. I've signed many, many documents in other people's names.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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She has the original trust that says that the bank is the trustee.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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In military school.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Is this in Florida?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I was just going to say, a $600,000 house in Florida is a nice house.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right, right. Well, and she needs to be able to be able to yank her out of that. If she doesn't do what she says, you need to be able to easily say, get out of my house.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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For...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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right money would he look the other way and not just that being an attorney is like a license to steal because the truth is that if i were to go along with it like let's say you say okay for a bribe well they don't even they can legally bribe you because all they have to do is say i charge i charge four hundred thousand dollars for my for my fee and since you get to pick whatever fee you want

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Your client can go, okay, knowing, but with that fee, I'm telling you right now, it's going to go through. I'm going to do whatever it takes. The truth is I could have done this forever. $1,500 to $2,500, you know, that's what a normal, but I'm going to charge you $400,000 because we're going to make sure this works out.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It is.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He's never tried a case?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But I want, I would not. First of all, the moment you say the lie and all that stuff, they're going to stop you. They're going to, they're going to interrupt you. He got, you know what I'm saying? There's this thing.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No. You're only allowed to go so far. Well, and those kind of rules, you know, I. Like you get away with a lot in your opening statement. I understand that. But I'm wondering how much they're going to.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And when I'm on home hospice... I don't know that she's keeping it from her. He's just saying that my, you know, that... My will or, you know, what my goal is. Well, my goal is that it be. He's not saying she gets nothing. He's saying, I want my assets dispersed in the following manner. I want my kids to get half. I want you to get half. Like he's not saying she you're saying keep it from her.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He's saying this is for 15 years. Or, you know, this has been my... You know, this has been what I want to happen. And even when he was sick and knew he was sick and got found, said, hey, you've got cancer. Like, he had plenty of time to make those changes before he was... And he didn't. He was... mentally in a place where he didn't know whether he's in bed. He didn't know who people are.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He didn't know exactly what's going on around him. And then he has an attorney swoop in with your mother and says, hey, we need you to sign this. And who knows what he was signing? He doesn't. Who knows what they told him?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It was some kind of trickery involved. And then the fact that they're not, every page isn't initialed. The reason pages are initialed, right, is because, and there's actually a movie with Ben Affleck in it, or Affleck, I forget how you say his name.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What's his name? How do you say his name? I think you said it right the first time.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Where he's an attorney and his, the attorneys, the partners in the law firm go to a client who's worth, you know, whatever, billions. And he's on his deathbed and they say, look, we need to, you know, have you sign some things before you die. And he signs the last page, right? And he initials it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And then they take that last will and testament or whatever it was, and they remove some pages, insert what they want it to say, so that as the last sentence carries over to the next page, it actually works out perfectly. Right. But he's initialed all the pages. Even then, they were able to manipulate it so that they could change his last or that document.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I don't know if it was a trust or a will, but so that they could alter it in such a way. But that's why you initial every page to say, hey, the document I'm signing, I'm initialing every single page. To keep someone from committing forgery. Right. But when you have nothing initialed. You have nothing initialed. And you have people saying, I saw him initial it. What did you see him initial?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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There's no initials. What are you talking about?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, I think he's probably banking on the judge shrugging it off going, well, I mean, that happens sometimes. I was an attorney. Those things get overlooked and shrugging it off, which listen, you know, judges were attorneys. They know that attorneys fuck up. They want to cover other attorneys in the legal profession. They want to cover them.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That's why prosecutors, for instance, prosecutors will get up and mislead judges and lie to judges all the time. And there's, there's never any recourse unless the media is there to throw such a light on it, that it makes the judge look horrible or the process look horrible. That's the only time I've ever seen a judge or the legal profession kind of, um,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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you know, monitor themselves or, you know, basically come in and say, OK, we're going to make we're going to make an example of that. We're going to go and say something about this so that doesn't look like it happens all the time, because the truth is, we all know fucking happens all the time. But in this particular case, we're going to have the judge yell and scream and make a big fuss about it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And we may even have this guy get get sanctioned by the bar. We won't make him lose his license ring. That's just too much. Or maybe he loses his license for a year. Listen, in Tampa, In Tampa, there was a lawyer, Kevin, oh God, what was his name? Kuntz or something like that. I think his last name was Kuntz. He was a US attorney in Tampa. He literally doctored up transcripts.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, I've never read the book, but I saw the movie.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I think he's in your... he's in one of my stories one of my stories he doctors up transcripts reads the transcripts to a jury gets the jury to indict two people who lost their child but says he's going to put them on trial and The only way they were the Goldsbergs or something like that, the only way they were able to get it thrown out was they begged for six months to a year.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They begged the judge, we're begging you to listen to the tapes that he says these are the transcripts because there's no way we said this. The judge finally listens to the tapes because there was so much media attention on it. The judge read the lawyer the riot act. Then the U.S. attorney above him said you're either going to quit or you're going to have to go work in the civil department.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like you can't work criminal cases anymore. You're too dangerous. So you can do civil litigation. So he quits. And a year later, they appoint him as a U.S. attorney in another district. So we're going to fire you. We're going to make you quit. But don't worry. A year from now, we'll hire you. And they hired him as a supervisor.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So because let's face it, if he wanted to, if Koontz wanted to throw a fuss, Koontz could say, what are you talking about, bro? This happens all the time. We do this kind of stuff all the time. Like he could have made it look bad. Instead, they said, look, you understand the position we're in. You go ahead and quit. We'll hire you again in a year. We'll give you a raise. Like a backdoor deal.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. So because there's no way to say, hey, you were fired from the U.S. attorney's office and hired by another U.S. attorney's office in still in Florida, just in a separate district. There's no way to say that that's acceptable in any way. But nobody thought that anybody would ever catch that. They didn't. My point is these things happen.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And even when they admonish themselves, even when they govern themselves, they still take care of themselves. They never just cut someone's throat and you think, oh, that guy works at, that guy's working at Tire Kingdom now. He's a manager at Tire Kingdom or he's working at McDonald's. Like that's not what's happening. That's not what's happening at all. So I'm sorry.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So I went off on a tangent, but I hear what you're saying. So my whole thing is he's banking on, I'll get in front of the judge. Your Honor. Your Honor, it's a mistake. The judge will be like, God, that happens sometimes. I'm not going to hold him responsible for that. We're not going to address that. I'll tell the jury, jury, this is what happens sometimes. We're not, don't even focus on that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And they're going to, no offense, they're probably just going to run over you.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Sorry, it's only been 76. It's a great movie, though. It is. Listen, in my opinion, he still won. He still did. Like you said, he went, he did go the distance. And anybody who watched that, he won. You know what I'm saying? Like, the fact is, is that Apollo Creed should have crushed him. Apollo Creed should have been humiliated that this underdog, complete underdog, even went 15 rounds with him.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. They didn't want him.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. And he took less money. Yeah. At some point, at one point, I don't know if you know this, at one point they, so they started by giving him like, we'll give you 50,000 for the script. No. He said, okay, great. 50,000 for the script. But I star as Rocky. No. Goes to, you know, another studio. They said, we love it. It ends up being a bidding war. He gets it up to like 250, $300,000.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And this is a time when Sylvester Stallone said, I'm bouncing checks. Like I can't pay my rent. Like I'm, I'm, he literally sold his dog. Do you remember in the, if you listen to that, he sold, he had a dog. He couldn't afford to feed his dog. He sold his dog. And finally, he came back and somebody said, we'll let you star in it, but we'll only pay you like, and I don't know what the amount was.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, no. The budget for the movie was a half million. Oh, okay. No, but they said, but to him, they were like, but we're not paying you a couple hundred thousand for the script. We'll pay you like 30,000.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. And he said, but I get to star in it. And they were like, okay, you can star in it, but we're not paying you the $200,000. We'll pay you this much. And they gave them next to no budget to do the whole movie. And it was Rocky. It's one of the most successful movies of all time. Turned into a whole series. There's like six or seven of them now.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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A little bit.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You mean you didn't realize it was a mistake the next day? Well, and why does the court have to order you to?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right, yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No. I mean, if it was a mistake on their part, but they would have to pay it back. They would have to correct it. And why would you take... Why would you need... I can't imagine somebody would even do that. That doesn't even make sense.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know, people tend to lie about stuff. I like Baldwin because guns are constantly going off. Yeah, they're constantly going off. I know police officers are constantly getting themselves shot in the thigh because they're like, I was walking down the street with my gun and that fucking thing just went off. They're super dangerous.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I know when I... I used to have a concealed weapons permit and we used to make sure that when we had a gun in the side drawer that we always face it towards the wall because sometimes in the middle of the night it would just go off. So...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So you believe it was valued at $30 million because your mother told you it was? And also based on her spending. Okay. So tell me the first thing that you said one time she had told you.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Probably. I mean, the most I ever probably about 205 pounds, but specifically I was like 19 or 20 years old and working out and trying to weigh 205. But like I weighed what I wanted to weigh. What do you weigh now? Me now I weigh like one 80. I'd like to get down to one 70. I'd like to lose like 10 pounds. 10 to 15, I say 15 pounds, but I don't... Get out of testosterone, you'll lose the weight.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I know, I don't want to do that. So, it's probably going to be... But I'd say, let me put it this way. When I walked out of prison, I weighed 150.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. So, and I knew I was going to gain weight because it's easy to lose weight in prison. You know, and all I did was walk. And I knew I was going to get out and I was going to be able to work out with weights and I was going to be able to eat better. So, by the time I left the halfway house, I was probably one...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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160 165 and it's only because i took the testosterone i've shot up to 180 so yeah but i'm i'm but you've also made gains in lifting weights you can lift more yeah i would never let my weight get away from me not only because obviously i don't like the way i look and i feel i feel super uncomfortable if you get if i get up around 185 190 i feel uncomfortable but

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But not just, it's just super unhealthy. Like, you know, you, there's all kinds of issues with just gaining weight. So when I see people that are super heavy, I always do think it's just, it's just, they're just undisciplined.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, well, yeah, you feel better.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'm out. It's great. And it's not that I'm walking around tired. Your body just needs that time to sleep. But I was going to say, I always love people that are super overweight that... will say that, well, I have a thyroid issue, I have this issue, I have that. Or people that say, well, you can't just starve yourself and lose weight. And I always think of people in concentration camps.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And I think, well, there was never some fat person who was like, wow, well, everybody else weighs 100 pounds. And there's this one person that weighs 300 pounds. And they say, oh, that person must have a thyroid problem. Like, I mean, if you cut back on your calories, you're going to lose weight. That's just the way it is. Like, there's no... Everything improves when you lose weight.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, you feel... Of course, yeah. The thinner I am, the better. Now, granted, I don't get the enjoyment of eating a cheeseburger, you know, which does suck. I would love a cheeseburger, but yeah, I hear you. Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Your sister clearly doesn't have that issue.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So this is a horrible conversation, by the way, I know exactly how horrible this sounds, but it's fine. Whatever. I'm okay with it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And he's like, it's dirty money.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, yeah. She won't let go of it, right? Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Hey, this is Matt Cox, and I am here with John Smith. That's his real name. And we're going to be talking about family fraud. Also the name of John Smith's book. It's an interesting story. I've spoken with him for hours about the story. We first started talking a few weeks ago. And essentially, it's the...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So, let me walk you through the front. I was going to say, because it's the discrepancy between telling the IRS $8 million, but actually spending roughly $30 million. How is that possible? Correct. I'm pretty good with math.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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How many accountants do you need? She has three.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Markham Norton, Miss Deller, Wright and Company.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, because if one accountant... would have all the information, they would all be the same. You can go to one accountant and I can tell you the estate's worth eight million because this house is worth two million, this one's worth a million, this is worth 200,000, 200,000, there's this much in this account, and you can tell them that, and then they say, okay, so it's eight million.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yes, it's eight million. Then for the purposes of, let's say, depreciation, you could go to another accountant and say, it's worth $20 million and we're depreciating this and we're doing that. Well, that's in conflict. You're giving conflictory information to each accountant. If it was one accountant, he would say, well, wait a second. What's going on here? You said this last time. Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What's going on here? I can't do that. That would be unethical. I'll get in trouble for saying $8 million here, $20 million here, and $2 million here. That's not right. I have to be consistent. But if you go to three different ones, the left hand doesn't know what the right hand's doing.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Prior to, okay.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right, right. So within that time, he went from $150,000 condo to-

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That's a lot of $8 signatures. A lot of notaries. No, no, this is a different. That's a lot. That's a different attorney? This is a different.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'm sure he's a notary too. A lot of notary signatures. That's a lot of wills.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That's the same thing I was saying that that with me saying stuff in my book and using real people's names is that my my, you know, my defense to anybody that were to try and sue me is is the truth. But I have the truth. I know what the truth is. You said this here. You said this here. You're in this newspaper. You're in this. All of these are true things. So I don't have a problem with it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I've never had a problem. But go ahead. Right. Eight million to the go ahead. Right here.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, first of all, why was your mother tell the IRS it was worth eight million dollars? All right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So you're why would you why would you use someone? Why would you go do this and use a different identity? Right. Because if it if there if it's found out, I don't want it leading back to me. So she tells the IRS $8 million.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And there's no estate taxes. It's a little over, what, $2 million she has to pay then, right?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, I mean, yes, I have. Right? Yes, I have.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So she had no fear of telling the IRS that it's $8 million.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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She says it's $8 million to the IRS.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Okay.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Back to, we got $8 million. Yep. How are you getting to $30 million? Okay. She says, I have $8 million to the IRS. Yes.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right, so roughly almost $2.3 million.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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There's another $300,000. So now we're at 2.6 million to 2.7 million.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So that's what, that's what she's gotten the bank count.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Okay.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Nice. 2 million is gone. 2 million. Now she's at 4.5. She's down to a million dollars. Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. Right. Would you piss away?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, but I'm not a charitable person. I wouldn't donate anything to charity. I'm just that guy.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They're probably getting nothing.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So... No, you know what I'm saying? I'm saying me. Yeah, you. Yeah. I'm not giving them nothing. All right. So now... But your mom seems to be very generous.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So from 2000... With anyone but you.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So let's, okay, so I understand what you're saying, but so your sisters have most likely have trusts. Yes. So we're assuming that they're, let's say they're about the same as yours. Let's say. Half a million a piece times four. That's two million. Two million. Your mother has nine rental homes, insured maintenance costs. Do you have calculations for what you believe those are valued at?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, that's a spreadsheet. So how much does that come to?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And there's no mortgages on these. They're all cash. Free and clear. Free and clear, right. So she's now deep in the negative.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So we've got legal fees, nine attorney legal fees. That ain't, that's not cheap. CPA fees. That's not cheap. Trusts and college funds for six grand children. That's a lot. Living expenses of $250,000 per. Okay. Per year. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This is a 200,000. This is the original one. Right. Okay. So all this comes to, I estimate it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Okay.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, yeah. So...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, there's nothing they can do. Right. Like the statute of limitations is up. Is that what they're saying?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Okay.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And we've got the ending value, but then we've got total investments in cash position, almost 11.5 million.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, that's some special math.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, then where's the investments? Then where?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Passed the statute of limitations for...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It's called Storm Stoppers. I'm going to talk about the Shark Tank thing real quick. Sorry. So you were doing the, you were running a house claiming business. Did you have any employees?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So they handed you, they gave you the original.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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In the book, I chronicle his- Let's assume for a second. Sorry, I hate to interrupt you. Let's assume for a second he gave you the original trust. One, why would you give someone, I'm an attorney- I have the original trust. Let's say you requested a copy. Why would I give you the original? I would never give away the original.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I have to schedule about seven guests a week to get four people.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And, you know, then we get you on different podcasts to, to talk about your story, but then also to talk about your YouTube channel, then you're, you get more and more, you know, and that's not hard to do, but, You got to get some more stuff.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You got to be able to you have to post at least once a week to the point where you're making enough money that you start seeing it trickle in and then you'll start going, oh, whoa, whoa, whoa. I can see this happening.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know what I needed? Well, you know what? I actually already did this. I got business cards that have a QR code on it for my YouTube channel. Oh, really? I just hand somebody the card and say, oh, yeah, here's my information. And then they can scan it and just, boom, brings them right to YouTube and they can subscribe.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, it's pretty easy.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. So I was going to say my problem is. Like I need guests. The, the problem is, well, I need guests, but I need, I, the kind of guests that really do well, that for some reason, I don't seem to be able to get these guests and, and, and I, they're probably few and far in between, but I, but I'm saying this to like anybody that's watching, I got two, I got two problems.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know, we've got a couple of weeks of probably backed up, but I also will do, I'll have like three people in a day and all three of them will cancel. And sometimes, you know, I'll do two and get two people. But so my one problem is getting guests and getting guests that show up.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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One, I would love some guests that are, that are like, you know, any kind of the cyber guys, right. Who've done like, kind of like, you know, internet scams, cyber scams, or they've, you know, maybe they've, you know, been on the dark market. Maybe they're just selling over the internet. They're running some kind of a, you know, I love those guys. It can even be drugs.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like I don't care what it is, but I love those kinds of scams that they're super interesting. Counterfeiters, credit card guys, because they, they have tons of stories because they've been chased. They've been, you know, they got funny stories and they're usually pretty, pretty funny, pretty sharp, pretty funny. So I love those. I mean, I, I mean, I look, I like bank robbers.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I like, I like, you know, financial crimes. I like all those too, but the guys that do well are the guys that a lot of these credit card guys and stuff. I, I love those stories. So that's one thing. And then the second thing that is killing me is,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I get tons of, I probably get one or two a day at least where it's somebody sending me an email saying, bro, you know, Rick Johnson, there's a guy, Rick Johnson in, you know, in Coral Springs that got arrested for running a Ponzi scheme. You got to have him on, check it out. It's like, that's not like, they think they're helping me, but like,

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I don't have time to track this guy down to get his phone number or whatever, his Instagram and send him an email or send him an instant message and track him down. Like guys are like, you know, they're like, oh, I'm trying to help you out. Wait a minute, bro. You really want to help me out? Like track him down. Yeah. Right. Contact him and say, absolutely.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Contact him and say, listen, man, I want to get you on this guy's podcast. Like, I think your story is fascinating. I think you should be on this guy's podcast. Would you be interested? If the guy's like, yeah, I'd be interested. Then great. Let me put you in contact with him. What's your email address?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What's your, you know, like help me coordinate because a ton, I spend a ton of time coordinating things. Imagine I'm trying to schedule seven, at least seven a week to get four. That's a lot of coordinating. Especially when people are, you know, people are late, they push them back or the last minute they change or, hey, can we do it tomorrow at two?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It's like, no, no, I have three of these things tomorrow. I have two at tomorrow or I have two of those and, you know, an appointment at the dentist, you know, or it's date night, you know, no. How do you space them out when you're setting the appointment? Typically, I try and get people to do it at like 10 or 11 in the morning because that kind of gives me the rest of the day.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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If somebody else comes in, I can say, hey, bro, I got from 1 o'clock on. And then if they come in and say, oh, okay, I can do it at 1. Great. Because if the guy was at 10, then that gave me like three hours. It's probably not going to be three hours. Yeah. And then I try not to do anything at night because Jess comes home around 4.30 or 5.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And let's face it, you know, the people that I'm dealing with are not that, not that, first of all, most of them aren't that responsible. But second, second to that is that things happen. I've had people that were going to come on the show, and suddenly their daughter got into a car accident, and it was really bad, and they were in the hospital, and they were like, look, we're right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And I want to be able to hang out with her, even though right now she'd roll her eyes if she was here. And she'd be like, I'm rolling my eyes. You're spending time with me. Yeah. So, but I, you know, I, I try cause it was still, I, I have to, then I have to finish. I have to send emails. I have to listen. I'm trying to get spot, get sponsored by ghost. So yeah, I put the filter on.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You got a great story.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Man. Hold on. Oh, it softens the nice.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, no. Like what would happen is ghost would say, okay, listen, you know, four times a month, you have to say, you have to cover this. And then they give you, well, it depends. They have different things. Sometimes they'll give you an actual script where you have to say, you know, I love ghost. It's the best energy drink out there. You know, it has, it's high in whatever and no sugar.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know, like they'll actually have something you have to say, which I'm almost, I'm really bad at that. But if they just say, look, We want you to promote it and just cover this. We don't care how you say it. Just say that you like the drink. It's one of the best ones you've ever drank. Whatever. I'm better at that because I can ad lib. And the truth is, I don't know.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Listen, if they just send me free ghost, that'd be happy.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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This is sour pink lemonade, which you know who loves this one? Jaxx. No, Jax.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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This is the new flavor. It's not great. It's not my favorite. It's not horrible, but it's not my favorite. Jax was like, you got to order them, bro. They're amazing. They're not amazing. They're okay, but they're not my favorite.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, I mean, they have like cream. Oh, gosh. Is it creamsicle? Love it. Yeah. That's that one's my favorite. That one's my favorite tropical. Something else is my favorite is another good one. Those two are the best. I think the one you tasted was like sour patch. Was it sour patch?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yep. So you've been buying those by the, by the, I don't even go to, I didn't even, I didn't even go. Now I just order the cases. I just ordered like two cases of them and they show up. So that's, that's how I'm doing it now.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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There's still like $2.40 a piece.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Is it like Red Bull or is it like an energy drink?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Monster?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I don't know enough of them. I only know like the really

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Shoot, I'll bet 15 people will say it in the comment section. We'll know in about a week.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And it's not that they couldn't make it. It's like, look, I just don't think I'll be able to – to focus on being there. Like I'd rather be headed toward, you know, the hospital. And, you know, to me it's like, Oh, you were, you're not, you know, you're not performing surgery, but I, but I hear you, you know, you probably care about, you know, your daughter.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, me neither. I hate all of them except for this one. That's why I want to get sponsored because I can't stand any of them.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, this is the only one. So, all right. So wait real quick. We're both, we both need guests. Yes. You're looking for guests. Right. Guests. And you're, you're, so I'm going to make sure that I put, um, I'm make sure I put your email address in the, in the, in the description box.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He was like, we were so over the top in love when he got in trouble. She had agreed that if he got less than I think it was like seven years, she would wait for him because sometimes you'll interview somebody. And then as soon as you kind of sign off, you'll be laying in bed that night and think that I never asked him this or that. You start thinking of all these questions I should have asked.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And I'm obviously I'm going to put my description, you know, or my email in the description box. I actually have a form. that you can fill out. Nobody fills out the form. They just email.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I don't know why. A guest form?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. Colby actually hooked up a guest form where you can fill out this thing and it sends it to, I want to say it sends it to Colby or me. And then it's real quick. It's like, here's your name, number, and then you can write a little thing. It's basically an email, but people could just email me.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So, you know, I'm okay with that. I just need help getting guests. And what's so funny is a lot of people, they don't think they even have a story. They're like, I robbed like 20 banks and I went to jail. I only did like four years or three years. And there's something you hear them talk and they're like, oh, it's no big deal. I don't even think it's a story.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And then you interview them and you're like,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You got a great story.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Jumping over the counter and, you know, staking out the bank and getting an employee in the bank that told them when the cash drawer was going to be there. Oh, those are awesome.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He just happened to walk in the bank to open an account. Right. And the gun dropped, and I picked it up because I didn't want to file to get a hold of the gun. Exactly.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, I definitely, definitely need, listen, I haven't got, had a guy the other day that, you know, he didn't like he, he had admittedly, he said, look, I've done a bunch of, a bunch of knucklehead stuff, you know, Didn't make a ton of money, sold drugs, you know, and he said it was just a bunch of knucklehead stuff.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So, you know, that sort of thing happened.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like it was not nothing insane, you know, but I'm a good storyteller and people love to hear me tell these stories. And I'm not far from you. I'll drive over there. And we talked for about 30 minutes. He kind of gave me the quick rundown. I was like, listen, you're I can tell you're a good storyteller. Like, definitely come. Let's do it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Listen, I think that guy got like 30 or 40,000 views and it was like a two and a half, three hour podcast. He was great.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like people, people think like, oh, I didn't steal $10 million or I don't, people don't realize. Look, Boziak. Well, Boziak. I wrote his story. He didn't steal the most money. He just had this really, really unique, interesting, super interesting case. And I've had this guy, Doug Dodd. I wrote a book about Doug Dodd. He didn't sell the most pills. He didn't make millions of dollars.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He didn't do anything that tons of other people were doing at the time. But it was an interesting story. He was willing to tell it. There was kind of interesting because it was a group of five guys that were on the wrestling team that were doing this. So that made it kind of cool.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And it was just like how they slowly figured out the system and how much they were getting for the pills and how they were shipping them. So it was interesting, but it was a story that tons of guys tell you in prison, but nobody writes it down. So people don't see it. So people out there don't see it, and there's no format for it to be on. Then –

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, I say, I say all the appropriate things like, Oh, that's crazy. I'm so sorry. Wow. My heart goes out to you. I say the right stuff.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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then when you write it down, suddenly people read that story and they go, bro, this is amazing. Really? Cause I can talk to 40 guys right now in the combat that have almost the identical story, but they never wrote it down.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. That's, so it's the same thing with these guys that are, they watch the thing and they're, they think, man, I, I think I got a good story, but you know, like I didn't steal millions. I didn't make millions. I wasn't the biggest drug dealer. I wasn't the biggest, I only robbed four banks. I, yeah, but I'll bet you some stuff happened and I'll bet you- And all of that stuff is interesting.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'll never forget that. Cause you started shaking your head and you went, listen to this. You were like, this is bad. This is bad.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They don't know. They don't know what I'm doing.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You definitely need oxygen.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, you know, it's funny too about him. Remember how, remember his hands and used to turn blue. Yes. I was telling somebody about that the other day and he didn't want to get treated for it. Right. Wasn't he like, eventually it'll kill me.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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The other thing is, and then sometimes people get sick. I get that. I've been sick before. I was actually supposed to do Ian Bick's podcast and literally woke up at like, it was supposed to be at the airport at let's say six or something. I woke up at like two in the morning with COVID and I was like, I can't. There's no way. I was like, there's no way.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, he was a grumpy, bitter old guy that you really couldn't argue against being grumpy and bitter. You're like, you know, I hear you. Like, I want to say, oh, you've got a lot to live for. You don't.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, that wasn't that long after I left.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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God, and he was a medium. He never should have been at the medium.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He was definitely a low guy.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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25. Oh, 25. He said he's not doing 25 yet.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Jesus.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Why? He was helping people. He was kind of helping tutor people, right?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I think you mean emerge.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I think, yeah, I think, you know, people with interesting stories that can tell their stories that, you know, like maybe their friends and family have told them they've got an interesting story. It doesn't have to be huge. If it's huge, great. If it's not huge, it doesn't matter. I've had, you know, like, obviously, I love it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I like the fact I like when they've already, of course, been arrested, gone to jail. Like if you, you know, or unless it's requisite. Well, no, because think about it. What if they what if they ran a scam and it's, you know, 10 years ago and they never did get in trouble? Like, you know, most statute of limitations was about five years.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So, you know, if you feel comfortable, you know, coming and telling that story, then that's great.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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uh but for the most part what i feel gives people the credibility is the fact that they did go to prison so if you come on here and just tell me some fantastical story then it's like how do i how do i how do i know that's true like i there's nothing for me to check i can't read an article i can't check pacer you were never arrested how do i know that's true so it it's it's

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And so I waited like an hour and then I think I woke up Again, like an hour later, I said, I can't do it, bro. I can't do it. So I texted him. I was like, look, I'm never going to make it. So I understand that happens. And listen, I paid for a plane. It was months and months ago. So I said, look, I'll pay for my own plane ticket. I will fly up there. It's definitely my fault. I'm sorry.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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know and listen some people have told me like a whole story and then they're like and i ended up getting arrested for this like which is only one small part of the whole story like they never got arrested for this they end up getting arrested for this they go to jail for five years and they got out and they never got arrested for the the crux of the story but that's fine i can't prove that you're the one telling the story and on top of that you did end up going to prison for this so clearly you were involved in criminal conduct

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And you can let's face it, if somebody starts talking to you about fraud pretty quickly, you know, no. Or they start talking to you about drugs pretty quickly. You're like, no, no.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I remember Boziak told me a story one time about getting caught in the mall with a fake ID. He had the fake ID, used a credit card, had a fake ID with it, and realized that they were calling the police. They were calling security or whatever. So he turns around and bolts. He starts to bolt, and the security grabs him. And they pull him in.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He's like, so he said, all the videos that I'd seen online said that if that security could not detain you, like if you pulled away and fought with them, they'd let you go. And if they didn't catch you with the actual merchandise, they had no right to detain you. They would let you go. And I was like, right. He is. That's not true. He was like, he weighed, he weighed 140 pounds.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He's a little, 130 pounds soaking wet, five foot seven, five, eight. They grabbed him. He's skinny little kid. They grabbed him, handcuffed him, brought him. He said, they walked me into this door. He's like, and there's all these hallways. In the mall that he's like, he's like that. I didn't even know where they're, you're like, you're looking down these hallways.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He's like, like there are hundreds of feet. You're like, wow, that's bizarre. There's all this whole thing back there. So they walk in the security, they handcuff him. He ends up pulling his hand out of the, out of the loop, climbs up in the. in the, um, uh, the drop ceiling crawls out of the little security. He actually cuts a hole in the drywall with his key.

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Cause he said the drywall went all the way up to the ceiling, but he said, but I knew on the other side of the wall, there was a, um, a hallway. So he, with his Cadillac key, he just scraped it and scraped it. And he was like, it was like, it was like four layers of wall. So I cut it and cut it and cut it, cut it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And then eventually pulled it out, climbed through it, dropped into the hallway and got away. And, and I'm like, so he was telling me this story and, you know, he said, oh, I'm, I've got dust everywhere. It's all over me. I'm, I'm, I'm sweaty. I'm, I'm, I've got, you know, he's like, I'm, I'm in bad shape. He ends up finding an exit, gets out on the, of the exit, finds his car.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He was like, he's like, I got into my car and drove across the street. And parked my car. He said, I had dusted off and everything. By this point, I've kind of dusted myself off. He goes, I was so shaken by the whole thing. He said, I went into this 7-Eleven or whatever, got a beer, walked back to his car, got in his car, sat there, enjoyed drinking the beer, and a cop pulled up right next to him.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So, I mean, I know things happen, but so let's say, but it still doesn't matter what the reason is. It still takes seven to get four. You're going to have to schedule two or three to get one.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And he said, the cop just looked over at him like, what are you doing? Like he's sitting there like, oh man, cop arrested him for an open container, put him in the back of the car. And while he's getting, writing up the report, he said, you could hear them describing me on the radio. And he said, cop cars, sheriff's deputies are like driving by, going to the mall, looking for him.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He's like, I kept, he said, he's like, I kept waiting for the cop to turn around and look at him and say, hey, that's, you know, like, hey, wait a minute. Keep in mind, you know, he said he was, but he never did. He actually drove him to the police station, booked him. He got right back out like the next day or whatever it was and went straight back.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, he got released right away, went back, got his car and left. But it was so funny because when I was doing all the Freedom of Information Acts, I found that report. You know what I'm saying? So it's like that report doesn't, it doesn't substantiate that the thing in the mall happened. Cause he never got caught for the thing in the mall. It never caught up with them.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Obviously they have an ID with a different name on it, credit cards with different names. And granted there is a picture, but they never put it together. But what I, what I could prove was that, at least part of that story is able to be proven. Cause I got the, the open container, you know, and that seven 11 was across the street from like the gallery mall.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Correct. Um, so it's like, you know, some people will tell a story and maybe, you know, like some stuff you, you know, you just got away with. Like I, like that never caught up with me. I never, I, I, there's nothing there. There's nothing to prove. There's nothing to track down. So, um, I think that people, a lot of people think that they have to have some massively huge, amazing story.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But the truth is if you take 10 or 20 years of someone's criminal history, so somebody has been doing crimes on and off for 20 years and you condense that into an hour or a two hour podcast, you're going to have some good stories.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That's going to be interesting.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Um, so, you know, I just think people, they, You know, and then there are, listen, there are other people that have just have over the top amazing stories. Period. Yeah, period. Yeah, there are. There are.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, the talking to the woman.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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She was just upset about it?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You don't know what these guys have going on. They could have super cool backgrounds.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know, I was dating this girl and here's what, like, listen, some of the guys, they could tell you that what was going on with their relationship might, might have been just as interesting as, as what was going on with the actual, you know, their, their crime, their crime spree, or, you know, whatever it was, you know, criminal, the criminal enterprise that they were running, maybe, you know,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know, I was dating this girl and this is what was going on. And I remember Carrie, I wrote this story called American Narco. And I remember he had he'd like fallen in love just before, like probably six months to a year before. And he's like, I mean, we were he was like, we were so over the top in love. And when he got in trouble.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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She had agreed that if he got less than I think it was like seven years, she would wait for him. Like they would get married and she'd wait for him.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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This is federal. And he got, I think he got 11 years.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And I remember he's like, it wasn't the 11 years. He said, it just crushed me that I knew I just lost her. He's like, and I remember when they said it, I, he turned around and he just looked right at her and she was just bawling tear, you know, crying. And he's like, cause we both knew like, that's, that's it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like, cause they figured, you know, seven years plus art app, plus this, plus that, plus time. He'd already said, you know, the whole thing, you broke it down. I can do this.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know, whether she would have or not, who knows, but it was an interesting, there was, you know, he, all of these relationships he had with these girls kind of during the course of this story was pretty cool. Like there are some cool background stories. I really need to focus more on, or, or bring up like who you were. So who are you dating at the time?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, I think Jax just came. You don't need the prompt, Jax.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, and what happened? Like what happens when you come home with a lick, right? Like what happens if you burglarize a jewelry store? You walk in and your girl knew you were out and you come in and you dump $100,000, $200,000 in diamonds on the bed and start breaking them up. Like what's that conversation like? Like, you know?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, that dance.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I always just tell them all like, look, how long ago was it? You know, most statutory limitations are five years. You're not going to be getting in trouble. And, you know, just don't use the guy's name and don't admit to a murder. And, you know, Don't be stupid. What's the guy's name? Keefy D or something? Don't say I handed the guy the gun. And he shot him. Yeah, he shot him.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That dance.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know, I was thinking.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh yeah, there was no, yeah. And I was like, look, I'm not going to get a job.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, no, that was Becky. Becky, Becky was all in.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, I don't, I don't think I saw that coming. You know, like who does that? Like, I didn't want to leave. Like, I don't want to leave and I have to leave. You don't have to leave. Why would you leave?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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My uncle died or something.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Her biggest question was, can you get the money? Are you going to be able to get money? And I was like, Oh, absolutely. That's like, that's not a problem. I just, you understand that we're going to be wanted. And she was like, yeah, I don't care about that. She's like, you're, you're, you're going to be able to get the money. How much are you going to get?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'm like, I mean, I don't know, a few million within a few months, I guess. And probably, I don't know. And you know, and she was just like, then I want to come, I'll come.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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People, you know, they reach out to me. Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You could have said he's a buddy of mine. He's in prison. I have to put money in a phone card. You could have said prison. You can't go get it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I know, but she doesn't know that. You could have said he was locked up. He's got a contraband cell phone, and he's a buddy of mine, and I put money on it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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She immediately says, you know what we need to do? We need to start adding zeros. We can go. I know people.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I don't know how you could, how anybody could get away with not telling their wives, I mean, or their girlfriends or whatever, because listen, they're, they're all so inquisitive and just suspicious. And like, how do you get away with it for like, but listen, by the time the chicks around a lot, like it's over. I mean, I, you understand that I'm sitting here. I live, I live with Jess.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Don't admit to conspiracy to commit murder.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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We're married. And if I get a text, she from across the room will be like, who's Rachel? Like, who's what? It's in my hand. I'm like, I'm going, I can't even see it. She's across the room. Who's Rachel? I'm like, I don't know. Hold on. Well, why she emailed you at 1030 at night? I don't, I haven't even seen the phone, the text yet.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. And that adds like another, it could, first of all, it gives me more content. That might be an extra 10 minutes. It might be an extra 30. Like I have, I meet guys all the time and I'll talk to them. They're like, bro, like my story, it's maybe, maybe 20 minutes. And I'm like 20 minutes. Like, yeah, my crime is just, all I did was this and this. And you're like, okay, I understand.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But you do understand. We're not going to start with the first bank you robbed. We're going to start with, so you were born in Michigan. What was that like? Your parents were school teachers. Oh, okay. Were you good in school? Like it's 15 minutes before I told you this. I've said this a few times. I think I've told you this.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Some guy in the comment section the other day said, if Matt Cox was interviewing Jesus Christ, his first question would be, so where are you born? Siblings? Parents? I was like, Like I understand it's – but you start at the beginning. Right. But let's face it. So to me, now I'm asking that question. So it's going to be 20 minutes before we even get to – before you're out of high school.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'm a, what is it? No, no. Hey, bro, honestly, I'm a jailhouse lawyer. It's against my ethics to say anything.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, I definitely think I need to start asking more about like who are you dating? Like what was she thinking? What was this? But some of these guys too, man, they're in and out of girlfriends like – Definitely.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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to mention just in case if anybody, I don't think anybody else has would probably have gotten this far on the podcast, but let's pretend for a minute that somebody has gotten this far, that they've actually watched this whole thing. If they have, I am currently looking for. And somebody that can run, I have a clips channel. that started off and it's actually like it's monetized.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It makes money, very little money, probably 80 or a hundred bucks a month. If that might be, it might be 75 because we haven't uploaded anything in forever, but I need somebody who can take my full length content, my two and three hour videos and trim it down, take pieces of it out and make clips and put it on the clip channel.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And like, I'll work out a deal where they'll get, you know, the bulk of the money coming off of that clips channel. So I just need somebody to do that because I've got this channel that's fully monetized and it's making money right now. Like every couple of months, I get a check cut to me for no reason.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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If somebody actually started going through and just trimming these things down and sticking them on there, it may be making a few hundred dollars in a month or two.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They need to be able to edit. You know, like they can download the videos. We can, we can send them the videos and they can trim them down. They could, you know, run them through a filter, do whatever they want to do to them, put them up, put up like a 15 minute, you know, portion of this, this story, a 10 minute one of this one, a 20 minute of this one, and just post them once or twice a week.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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The body is buried behind which, oh, your mom's house. Does she still live there?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But I mean, you never, the thing is, is not the 15 minute videos. They'll sometimes they'll get a whole bunch of views.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So you don't know, you know, that channel could end up blowing up. But I mean, I really just the guy that was running it basically just didn't want to run it anymore. I think that he was a younger kid and he stopped doing it. We just never really picked it up and ran with it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But I definitely it's sitting there and I think it'd be great if I could find somebody that could could do that, that would do it, you know, really like really do it, not do it for two months and say, I'm not interested.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right, but they want to get paid, right?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, no. I want them to do it for a portion of the monetization.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like you can get the month, like I'll give you a 75% of whatever the channel makes that sort of thing. Or, Hey, you can take all of what the channel makes up to $2,000 or like if, cause let's face it, it'll take them a year or two to build it up to that much.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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but all they're doing is downloading the videos that are on my main channel and then cutting them up saying, Hey, this is a good story. It's about 12 minutes. I'll turn that into a video, put that up. And you know, what do you do? You, you go work out and listen to the video. And when you're working out, you say, Oh, you know what? That was a good story. That's at 52 minutes.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And it went to, you know, one hour and 12 minutes. Okay, great. That's a 20 minute video. I'll Go home and edit it. Clip, clip, clip. Make a little thumbnail and put it up there. You do that twice a week. Who knows what will happen with that channel? If anybody's out there that knows somebody or is interested, I'm not paying anybody.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Absolutely. Or in my case, and who has the money?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You got to be able to make your own thumbnail and you have to be able to do some editing and post it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, for the channel. Oh, I mean, yeah, it's me. It's my stuff. But they're just look, a lot of people are interested in running a YouTube channel. They don't want to be in front of the camera. And if they are already watching my content and think, hey, this guy's got some good stuff. I think I can take some of the longer videos and cut them up into smaller sections and start putting those.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Then that channel might blow up. You don't know.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So somebody might be interested. The problem is what happens is people post for two weeks, and then when they're only getting 400 views or 1,000 views, they're like, oh, this is never going to work. Forget it. It's like, okay, bro, go work at McDonald's. If that's your attitude, you're going to have to put in some time. It takes a while for it to take off.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But yeah. Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, and I'm going to leave the –

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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yours and my emails in the description box hey i appreciate you guys watching the conversation if you're interested in any of the stuff we said or getting in contact with me or zach in the description box obviously appreciate you guys watching hit the bell and if you're saying hey matt i don't want to help you i don't really care but i would like to support your channel please consider joining my patreon see ya i understand you were um

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. So you are currently on federal supervised release. Correct. And the state was investigating you. Right. So, you know, because people are always like, oh, this and that, you know, OK, well, there's state and there's federal. So it was a federal charge. that you knew was going to violate your probation.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And you could end up going back to prison. Yeah. What people don't realize is that you can be on federal probation, get in trouble for something in the state, and then the state can even drop the charges. Like, yeah, you know what? It's a misunderstanding. No big deal. And they let you out.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And the feds go, yeah, I just think there wasn't enough to convict him, so we're going to send him to jail for two years. Then suddenly it's like, It's like, what just happened? Like, how did I – the state dropped the charges. Why am I now in federal prison? Well, because you violated your federal probation. And you go, yeah, but they dropped the charges. They go, yeah, we don't see it like that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And that's the difference between having your full rights –

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You people don't realize they don't they don't have the right to do that. No, no, they do have the right. You're not.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But you can't take that because you'll get right out on it. They go, yeah, time served. And they let you out. And immediately your probation for your federal probation gets violated. And you go in front of the federal judge and the judge goes, 24 months. Yeah. Oh, OK. Well, now I'm sitting in your federal prison.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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If you'd gone and won, it would have been.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Wow.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Hey, this is Matt. I'm here with Zach. We decided to do a StreamYard to talk about, basically kind of talk about our channels. And also I'm going to make a plea to viewers about being guests on the show. So check out the video. Here's why we're here. Guests.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right back to your sister's spare room. Yes. Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It's sweet.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It's in the park. It's dripping oil in my driveway right now.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh my God, my poor, my landlord. Did I tell you that my landlord, I'm sorry, have I ever mentioned this? So my landlord one day sent me a text that said, I just saw you on a commercial. And I thought, this poor guy. I'm the person you don't want living in your house. He had to be like, is this guy living in my house? What did he do? Oh, hell no.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like, it's not like he, he, it's not like regular bank fraud. It's like, this is somebody you don't want around your property. He lives in my property. I might have a million dollars in mortgages on my property right now. Um, so anyway, yeah, he said that I was like, oh man. And I was just about to, to be like, Hey, can you, can you renew our lease?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, he did. He did renew it. He renewed it? Yeah, he has a sense of humor. But I mean, we never talked about it. Like we'd never, there'd never been any discussion on the subject. So it was fun. So it was funny. But you, I was going to say, you had a similar type of thing when you started going for jobs.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Think about all the times you went into Dollar General and thought to yourself, I'm better than this. But you're not. You're not.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It's not like she has to. Well, OK. Yeah, you're right. I don't know if that has to do with why she was locked up in prison.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'll take one. Can we have one? Peanut butter or peppermint? No, I don't want a cookie. You don't want a cookie?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So then what? You just gave up and went straight back to fraud?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So to me, I would be like, we're not going to talk about that. We're going to talk about your childhood with the first time you committed crime, where you went to school. you know, your, your, you know, and then how you eventually figured out, you know, what the crime you were doing, what you did to get to federal prison, what it was like in federal prison.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I was going to say, there's the one guy that you told me about earlier, about the guy, he was all over Tampa, all over the news. The guy who killed his girlfriend? Yes. And he's just gotten out for trying to kill his previous girlfriend?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Is that the same guy?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And then you recently got out and that's it. That's all we're going to talk about. We're going to talk about this other thing.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. But, but that was not, it'd be one thing if it was, it was a fit of rage. It never happened before. There was, he'd never broken the law. It was, she was driving him nuts. And in a fit of rage, he, you know, whatever, he chopped her head off. Cause that happens.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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um i can't tell you how many times um you think about it if i had a butcher knife but um but he'd just gotten out of prison for trying to well he stabbed this previous yes he so being in jail with him he did just display some of those tendencies of cutting off the other inmates heads

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Matthew Terry. He's all over. You could play like a clip, like if you popped in a clip, because he's all over the news. All over the news right now. Matthew Terry, I mean, well, he already went to trial and lost, right?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Because they wouldn't put the death penalty on him.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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The agreement, the agreement to put her in agreement. I've been bitching and moaning about why aren't you charging this guy with the death penalty? And then I finally you say, well, I don't believe in it. I disagree. I disagree. So, boom, you get walked.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So what happened with the court case? So in his court case... Like he would go to court, come back that day? Would he go to court and come back that day?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know what's funny? I'll bet you that Colby doesn't know about the one-armed man. See? No clue. Listen, I get this all the time. I'll use some pop culture reference from, you know, 100 years ago. At least 50. Colby or Connor will be like, I just see the blank look on their face and I'm like, do you know what I'm talking about? They're like, no.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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See? But he's also... 38. Just turned 38. Just turned 38. So he's closer. Do you know who Wesley Snipes is?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Wesley Snipes? Yes. I would guess it's a rapper.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I guess I'm going to guess he's a rapper.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Wesley Snipes. Did you ever see Blade? The movie's Blade? Holy Jesus. He's like 26, 27 years old, right? Is that the actor? Yes, the actor. 28. Wow. At 28, we're already dinosaurs. Makes me think, is that a black guy on a motorcycle and blood?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That's all I know.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, no, he's not. He got out, though.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You think it's because they're running that background, Jack?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Do you know what a problem that is? Then you hear them talk and they're like, oh, it's no big deal. I don't even think it's a story. And then you interview them and you're like, bro.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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In the fugitive, yeah. Yeah, and that's where the one-armed man was. Yeah, but the first fugitive... The first fugitive was the one-armed man. Because the first fugitive was with Harrison Ford. It was a remake of a TV show. But... So it basically is a doctor. He comes home. His wife has been attacked by a man and stabbed to death. And he wrestles with the man.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And in the course of wrestling with him, he realizes that he's only got one arm. He had a prosthetic arm. So the whole time during his trial, he's screaming at his lawyer like, Find the one-armed man. He's like, I didn't do this. You have to find the one-armed man. And so the big thing is throughout the whole movie, they're looking for the one-armed man.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And so whenever people say, well, who did it? The one-armed man did it. Because it's this person that doesn't exist. Nobody believes he exists. But in the end, you find out he does exist.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And of course he lost. Did not believe did not believe that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I mean, honestly, it's a formula. And if you stick with that formula, you don't end up getting the same story. Because obviously, if I say to somebody, oh, well, where'd you grow up? you know, and you know, one person's going to be like, Oh, I grew up middle class. My parents were married. Everything was wonderful. My father, you know, sold, he was a manager of a car dealer.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I would never. Never. You see him? Imagine the jury was up there, and every time they'd say something, I'd look at the jury like...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Super controlling.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Wow. So who else should we meet? Wait, wait, wait. After he lost.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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See, Colby's laughing.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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My mom was a, you know what? And they're going to have this normal childhood and no, I never really got into trouble. I ended up going to college. Like you're like, okay, the other guy, you're going to say, so where, where'd you grow up? And he's going to say, bro, I grew up in the projects. You know, my mom fucking, she couldn't handle us, man. I was arrested when I was 11 and,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Do you laugh around and joke with these guys?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Because if it had been on the beach, it would have been more romantic.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Why in the apartment?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You never fucked with these guys? Like, come on, Tyrone. Honest. It's just me and you.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What are they? Christian for the stay? Yes. Or what are they? They walk in and grab the book and start.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And then when they left, when they leave, they would drop the book. They pick it up when they walk in the door and they drop it as they're walking out.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So is he going to get out?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So you can talk like this. Okay. Because if he's getting out, you better be more polite.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What do you mean he won it? Hold on. He won his appeal.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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The first time I got in trouble with, you know, and you're going to it's a vastly different story. So you can't say. So to me, it's like formulate what I'm the questions I'm asking. But the answers turn it into a completely different story. Right. So the next thing you know, this guy's in juvie. He's he's breaking into houses. He's it spins off. Now I get back to like the.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So he's emotionally unstable. Yes.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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During the struggle, the gun went off.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'm assuming that ballistics doesn't bode well for his version.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You have a meticulous fraudster who's very cleanly, and you have the other guys keeping everybody quiet about it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And I feel like we haven't said anything wrong yet. But go ahead. Really? You think so? It may get limited monetization. Just because you keep saying, we keep saying murder. That's the kind of stupid, the algorithm just says it. They'll just be like, this guy said this, this, this. Yeah, no, no. But then you have to ask them to do a manual, or is it manual review? Yeah, manual.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But I'm not painting them in a good light. Yeah, you're thinking that there's a logic to YouTube. So they may or may not. It's a, So what happened with this other guy? What happened with the other serial killer?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, Funk.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, my God. I mean, at what point during the stabbing do you start thinking, this is crazy? What am I doing? I mean, he's long gone. He's gone.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, then I keep kind of like, you know, well, where did you ever end up graduating high school? Cause that's one of the, you know, and they're like, nah, bro, man, I got a GED and juvie and I, you see what I'm saying? So you still kind of go back to those, but those questions weave that story. And so it seems like a completely different story, even though it starts at the same point.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know, like. I'll just go ahead. Sorry.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right, right. So similar to the federal residential drug treatment.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So did he go through it once or was he like, did he work in the program?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Was he a white guy? Yes. Okay. Do you remember the guy that was in Coleman that was there at the medium for for a tax? Remember tax fraud? Not tax fraud for the he was a sovereign citizen. Yes.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Because he had to check in every day. Yeah, he had to check in. Listen to this. This guy had been at the low. He'd become a sovereign citizen. He actually had gotten himself registered as a corporation and then managed to get a judge to write a letter saying that the Bureau of Prisons had no jurisdiction over his corporation. So it had his name.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So it said – it was a letter from a federal judge that said – that said that the Bureau of Prisons has no jurisdiction over, and let's say his name is Matthew Cox Incorporated. So it has his name. And so he went, packed up all this stuff, goes in, He's laughing. He's at the low. Goes to the warden's office.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, no. This was when he was at the warden. This is how he got to the medium.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So he went in front of the warden, stands there and waits in front of the warden's office. Finally, the lieutenant comes along and goes, what are you doing? He goes, I'm waiting to be released. They go, well, have you been called to R&D? He goes, no, but I have a federal judge saying you don't have jurisdiction over me. He read the letter and he goes, okay, okay. Hold on, let me get the warden.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Goes to get the warden. Warden comes back, reads the letter and goes, all right, all right. I understand. Are you a sovereign citizen? And he goes, yes, I am. She goes, well, I know what to do about this. Grab him, handcuff him, take him in the shoe. He sits in the shoe for six months, and then they send him to the medium, and now he's in the medium where he never should have been.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He wouldn't prepare for the medium. And every two hours, he had to check in with a guard. He had to go up and show them because they charged him with an escape. So now you were already at the low, miserable. Now you're at the medium. More miserable. More miserable.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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God, he was flaming. Flaming.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Not like this guy?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I remember one time you told me that he was on the top tier watching a guy take a shower because the showers were all exposed in the medium, right? Because you can't let those guys – you have to be exposed out there because they didn't want – you couldn't have a separate private facility because you'd probably get raped. There probably could be rapes there.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So they have – your showers were basically right out in front of everybody. You have a door. But from the top tier, you could look down on them and see guys in the shower. Like the door was so far away that you'd have to be standing there naked. And you said – you go, bro, this fucking guy was sitting up on the thing staring at this guy. And I was like, well, I mean he's gay.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And you go, still, I just thought he was above that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And that was excessive. Exactly. So it's been life plus two years.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And I'll bet when the judge did it and hit the gavel, he said, that's right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Double life. Double life. Like, I didn't have that coming. That's right. Life was 30. Okay. Reasonable. I can do that. Double life. Forget about it. Come on. What are you thinking? I'm going to die, come back, do another life term. Stop it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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In case they bring back parole. Like that's ever going to happen. So anyway, yeah, yeah. Then I got a chance, but double life, no. Unacceptable.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He'd accepted it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Those guys were on the beginning, the starting point of their life sentence. This guy was, he'd settled into it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He'd rub his shoulders.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Can you imagine all these murders, the one guy's crying all the time, the other guy's like, it's okay, it's okay. He's like, oh, rainy face.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I never found the body. That's the trick. So listen, I have a question for you. Did you guys, so what I, do you remember the Marshalls holdover in Atlanta? Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, okay. Well, it's... I've heard about it from a lot of people. Honestly, it's like a unit at Coleman at the medium. So if you took one of the units that we were in, like units two tiers, and you basically made it like four times as large. No, no. Maybe six times as large. So it's one long... And then there was a gate in the middle and a walkway. But...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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you know, they serve, obviously it's like being in the shoe. They serve you through the, you know, you don't get out and go get your food. Like, so did you guys have to heat up their food and give them to it, feed them through the tray? They got out.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, guests. I need guests for my channel. Yeah. So I, I think I told you this. I have to schedule about seven guests a week to get four people.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Um, you know, it, it definitely teaches you how to pay attention to, you know, to the, to what's, to the story and what's happening. Even if I don't know the story, typically I talk to the guests for a couple of minutes. Like if it goes to more than five minutes, then I get to that point where it's like, Hey, you know what? Let's just start.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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OK. Yeah. Guys, when you said you had to heat up their food, I thought, well, you're heating up their food and bring it to the room. But no. OK.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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The jail?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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All three of them. We need a better, a clickier name than the three murderers.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Okay.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You're chopping people's heads off. Now you're Mr. Morality.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You chop some chick's head off, you shot a child, and you stabbed someone 26 times. And you're upset because Billy Bob took a tray, an extra tray?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I mean, you know, you're always a I guess you're a big man when you've got the nice or an 11 year old or a woman.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Cause a lot of times the more interesting conversations happen before you actually hit record. Um,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So we had a lot of mentally ill. Why don't they send them to all of the insane asylums that they have all over?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That don't exist. Like back in the 70s, they would, they had a, like, you know, Colby doesn't know this. Let's just tell Colby. Like they actually had in the 50s, 60s, 70s, like they had insane asylums. And then in the 80s, they just closed them all.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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right you know and the other thing is i really because i kind of try and do keep it formulate you know that stick with that formula so i don't get off topic and never end up asking why they were went to prison right so you know once we start going spinning it off then i'm like oh okay you know what i i understand the basic story let's go back let's go ahead and start and i cut them off because sometimes they'll start telling a good story and you're like man we need to be recording this

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And it's not like this happened a few times.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yes.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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The white guy, Palmer, right?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Robbed multiple banks.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, he was bizarre.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. He, he, so did he ever tell you about the time he tried to escape?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Listen, this guy was just like a normal, you'd think he was just like kind of a normal white guy. So was Mike.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And so I don't want to hit record and then go and say, yeah, go ahead. You were telling me the story because I want to go back and start at the beginning. We'll get to that story. But you have to remember that. And it's difficult. Like, especially it's difficult for me to remember it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So what do you say to that? Just for people watching, Palmer was a guy in the medium who had robbed a bank. And basically Palmer had told me, and I think he sure told you this too, is that he'd never had a job where he was able to support himself. He'd had multiple jobs. He's never able to get one where he could support himself. So one time he goes and he robbed the bank.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Went in, you know, with like a note or whatever it was. I don't know what.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. Because he didn't get much time. He got like three years.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. Because it was also multiple times, too. That's why they didn't help.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Because he'd gone to prison. He'd gone to prison, got out and did it again.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Not that it changed anything. He was just super calm.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But one time he tried to escape. He put on multiple layers of clothes. This wasn't at Coleman, but he put on at another prison. Put on multiple layers of clothes. Walks up to the gate. Keep in mind, these gates are... You've got people in... First of all, they have... They have towers. They also have the pickup trucks that are driving around, right?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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The perimeter and the gates have motion detectors on them. He climbs the gate or climbs the fence, climbs through all of the concertino wire. And as he's going, he said, it's stripping off clothing. He's shedding clothing so he can get through all of them, climb up. He finally gets over the second gate and ends up at the bottom of the tower. And he said, he's down there. He said, I just got there.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know, I have a horrible memory. I'm an old man. And, you know, so it's luckily if you keep I've noticed if I kind of stick with that basic formula, I tend to get back to that point.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He said, I'm naked. And he said, I look up and he starts banging on the door. And finally a guard comes and looks down on him and says, Hey, we got an inmate out here.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And so the, the, the, one of the, one of the pickup trucks comes around, they run out and they get on the ground and they handcuff them and they take them back in to the, they put them in the shoe and you got charged with like a, an escape or something like three years.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Sorry, go ahead. So you were saying, so you were saying mental, the boom, boom, boom, banging his head.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He'll be like, literally, not figuratively. I kind of beat myself up about that. No, no.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Next time somebody says I'm frustrated, I'm going to say, have you considered wrapping a towel around your head and banging it against the wall? No?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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The Senator has a drug problem? The Senator has a drug problem. That's not really a get out of jail free card.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That's upsetting. Okay.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Is this for your first, for the federal charge for the first time or this time?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, okay. That was her. Okay.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I love them.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I've got some, I've had some good ones. The problem is some of these guys stories, like I didn't really know how to interview anybody at the, not that I know, not that I'm great now, but like, I hate it because sometimes you'll interview somebody. And then as soon as you kind of sign off, you'll be laying in bed that night and think, man, I never asked him this or that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So Colby's selling drugs.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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A percentage of the million dollars that he could never have come up with to begin with.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Nice.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, listen, I met a guy in the low that was literally – I mean, it was insane, the stuff he was telling me. It was like – I mean, he's – and he'd get caught for something, and the other DEA agent would come in and say, look, you can't charge him with that. Like, we're the ATF. I understand he had the guns. I understand this. I understand that. We've got him.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He's in the middle of this huge drug transaction. You can't charge him. And they dropped it. So a lot of times they would protect him. But I understand at some point when you are no longer valuable and you have gotten away with all this stuff, one day you get busted. You go, hey, man, I need some help. And you get 20 years. And they're like, well, I don't understand.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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We did, but we're done with that now.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You start thinking of all these questions I should have asked.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I was going to say, when the FBI came to see me at Coleman, they offered me money. And I went, no. She said, no, we can put $200, $300 on your books, on your account. That way you have commissary. Like, I mean, I... I, you know, I just want to make sure that you're taken care of. I said, no, I said, my fear is that I cooperate.

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You get a case and we get in front of the judge or the prosecution and the prosecution says, your honor, like we don't need to give Mr. Cox any time off. We've been paying him for all of this information. So because I had spoken with my cousin who said, don't ever accept a dime. Cause he had met a guy that they were giving him like a thousand dollars a month for like a year and a half.

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And when it came time, they busted the people. They just stopped showing up. And he was like, okay, wait a second. I need my time cut. And they said, Well, yeah, but we've been paying you. He's like, I didn't do this for the money. They were like, I know, but, you know, we went to the prosecution and they said, look, that we paid this guy, whatever, $18,000 over the past 18 months.

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And, you know, he was like, well, look, he's got something out of it. Like, I'm not going to file anything for this guy. He's got a couple more years. He can do those two, a couple more years. As if $18,000 is worth two or three more years. but you know, he said, yeah, he said, so, so my cousin was like, so if they offer you money, he goes, don't take it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So when I sat down, they were like, listen, you know, if you need me to, I can put money on your books. I said, ah, nah, I know about you.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Scumbags.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, I get it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'll give you information on this guy, on these cartels, on this guy, and this guy, and then have them all... Have your competition busted, and then you...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Wow.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Do you know what a problem that is? So that's why I was like telling you, like you need to, if you're going to put out a video a week, you need to schedule at least two or three.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And you said he had made a ton of money. So he had a ton of money out there.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He didn't need to do it. He just... You know, the problem is that you get into that life and you don't know anything else. And then you can't even stomach going to a regular job. You're like, I don't understand. You're telling me I got to bust my ass all week and you're going to give me like $500? Like, fuck that. Because there's never been any consequences for you.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'm burning off the extra tray easily.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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If I had known that, I'd have talked the second fucking day.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Why did you keep doing it? Why didn't you just say, look, I'm done. Yeah, I'm not doing this.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What kept her? What made her? What made her wait 22 years?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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For breaking the restraining order again.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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When I went to Pinellas County, there wasn't really any... What about the guy that you had told me earlier about a guy that was in a high-speed chase or something?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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While being chased?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No reason to search his car. I don't know why they searched my car.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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If you drive like someone's chasing you long enough, people will chase you.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What's with this guy?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'm going to chase him.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I woke up at like 3 in the morning.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Really? Yeah. Why? You just do now?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That's when they turn the lights on. Do you ever have that? In the low, they would turn on the lights for like 4 o'clock count or 5 o'clock in the morning. They would turn on the lights and walk around the count. It's like, come on, man. What are you doing? Then they shut them back off for like an hour and a half. Like...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Your AKA came up on their screen. It's a little blunt.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know, so you wake up and it's like, I might as well just get up and go get some coffee now. They already counted. I'm allowed to walk around.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Then I'd go watch the infomercial for Home Title Lock and think, I should be on that commercial. I really should. They don't have anybody like me.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What happened to the tooth?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So you're trying to get back on your feet.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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If someone wanted, if someone was so inclined to say, hey.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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To say, you want him declined. So, hey, let me send this dude 20 bucks. Because, you know. He's trying to put his life back together. He owes a couple hundred dollars to overdrawing on your bank account from when you took off. They don't stop billing you for stuff. No, they don't. And they were so inclined. Are you going to be able to open up a... We'll have...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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We can put either Colby can put his like before Colby put put his PayPal.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Or you can get a PayPal or cash app and I can put it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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We can put it in the in the description.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'm determined to do get out of the sister's spare room.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. Listen, because I said I was in Stacy's spare room. Forever. My friend Stacy, I stayed in her spare room. I told you that, right? I stayed in her. Well, the cop that we, she was running basically a rooming house. Like she's got me in one room. She's got the cop in the other room. Yeah. Yeah. The cop in the other room. Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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She was going through like a divorce and, you know, needed to stay somewhere and went and moved in there.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. She was a forensic cop.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, she was, she was, she was interesting. She was an interesting person. Um, so, uh, I was gonna tell you, did I ever tell you this? That I stayed, Stacy has in her house, she has like a salon and she also had a really big walk-in closet in the salon. I moved my bed into the closet and slept in the closet. And she was like, there's no windows in here. Are you sure you want to do this?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'm like, because that way in the main room, the bigger room, which was about the size of a regular bedroom. I was like, yeah, but I can do my studio in here. I can paint in here. And the bed's in the way. So if I put it in here, it just fit in the closet. You could open the door, walk in and lay in bed. It was just perfect. I fit perfect. Um, and she was like, yeah, there's no windows.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I was like, no, it's cozy. I I'm, you know, after 13 years, no, no, I'm good in here.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I sleep good in this car. So yeah, it was, uh, I stayed in there for, yeah, about 13 months. I think 13, 14 months is I stayed. Yeah. Bizarre. Bizarre. Jess would come and see me.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, we'd sleep in the closet. We would put up my laptop and watch movies and lay in bed and watch movies. And honestly, thrilled. It was like, this is awesome. Like, you're in a closet. You live in someone's spare. You don't even live in their spare room. You live in their closet. You're watching YouTube videos on your laptop, and you guys are like, I've got it made.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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YouTube channel.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, because we're going to – so shoot a video and you're going to put it up on a YouTube channel.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. Cause let's, let's face it. If you get two people, let's say you get all three. Let's say you say, Oh man, I scheduled three and I got all three. Great. Then Colby will edit it. He'll stick it in the queue and you'll have it ready for when you don't have a guest.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I don't know. I was going to say, here's the thing. Like right now, your channel's got what, like 3000 subscribers or something like that? Right. So, I mean, you know, like the big thing is like just it's really about just posting stuff.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know, you got to post something. So it's like, you know, you got to post something every week. you post something every week and, and then, you know, people get to expect it. And then, you know, money starts to build up and this starts coming in more and the subscribers grow.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I think I watched or maybe it was when I was in prison. I watched one of those videos. you know, one of the documentary type shows. Uh, I don't think I watched the whole, I don't think I'd watched an entire, like a two hour documentary. I want to say it was one of those one hour. You probably watched forensic files that. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It's a great story. It's not true. Yeah, it happened.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. Yeah. Um, Yeah. So and then I got to the part I watched one of the shows where you actually had confronted your father. And I never you know, I don't know what ended up happening with that. We were we were like we were doing like four or five different things at the same time. And I was like, oh, I'm going to interview this guy. I've got to interview this guy.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Is he drunk? Like, is he?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Okay.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So, okay. So let's, let's start at the beginning. You were, you know, obviously you were born. I was born.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Who knows if that's even true?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Based on all the other, like, you know, who knows what he's telling her?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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100%.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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She pulled up her iPhone and got the Uber. That whole story doesn't make... In a town where I don't know very many people, in the middle of the night, without my credit cards, without anything, without a... Yeah.

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And left her personal vehicle there.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It doesn't make sense. Like you're going to try and track her down at the very least.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Is this a year later?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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A few weeks later. So it's, okay.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I thought maybe because a lot of times homicide detectives or cases, they take forever.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So I have a question. Did you, I mean, did you, are you still, you're, you're still, you're 11. I'm 11, almost 12. So did you think, were you still holding out hope that maybe she was alive or you just kind of knew?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. Almost 13 years. Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'm sorry. Did you know any of the details at that point?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. He bought all this equipment, set it out. So this wasn't like a tarp that you had for 10 years for painting one time. He went out and started collecting, bought the house. Yes.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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even though the body ends up in his mistress's basement.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So I was, there's a whole bunch of really, really logical people.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But you, you still have, how much time did he get?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What do you mean give him more time? You mean he goes to the parole board and they don't let him out on parole?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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When he goes in front of the parole board, does he still say, oh, I'm innocent, shouldn't be here? Or does he say, I fucked up? What does he do?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, what about... I'm sorry. What about the girlfriend that signed for the house? I mean, she signed... I mean, I know that's, you know, like identity, kind of a... You know, she had to know something was odd that she's signing for her. And... You know, like she was never questioned. What was her?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You didn't hear them. They weren't arguing in front of you or anything like that?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I would say sociopaths get into a fight in a bar, and they immediately get into an argument. They immediately get into a fight. A psychopath just kind of says, oh, okay. He gets in his car, drives to a gas station, fills up a thing of gas, goes to your house, and burns it down with you and your family in it.

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Both not good.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So do you still speak with him?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, I was going to say, if he owned up to it completely, then there would actually be some atonement or redemption there for him. And that's not who he is, because the person that does this doesn't ever want that. Does that make, you know what I'm saying? He's still trying even to his dying breath. You know, maybe when he realized, maybe when he realizes, yeah, I'm not getting out of this.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Maybe he does it, but I doubt it. But, you know, to that probably go to his grave saying, you know, the one armed man.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Or the money I was going to be making.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. So do you have a relationship with your stepsister?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Exactly. Listen, I have the same thing happen all the time. I contact people and they and then then, you know, no, I don't want anything to do with it. OK, well, and I always explained it. Then you realize that somebody else, most likely law enforcement, will tell your side of the story.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, they'll tell your story and they're probably not going to do it the same justice or tell it from your, you know, your perspective.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And then it comes out and they go. You made me sound this way, or you this, or they this, or that wasn't true. And that, well, you had a great opportunity to clear all of that up. You know? So it's so funny too, because sometimes it's like, sometimes it's even minor. Like when I would read articles about myself, I would get all bent out of shape and upset over minor details.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And of course I was before I started writing. And now once I started writing, I was like, eh, That's not a big deal. That's not a big, that's pretty accurate. I probably wouldn't have said it that way, but yeah, you know, and everybody, so I look back now and I think there's about 95% accurate. And the few things they got wrong were stupid. My Audi wasn't, wasn't white.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It was silver, you know, you know what I mean? It's just stupid. Like, like you don't know anything that my Audi was silver. It's really not crucial.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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you, you just said you have the episodes on the, on Patreon, but do you have your episodes on your, your YouTube?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, on YouTube or just... Yeah, it's on YouTube.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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How is it getting guests? Like...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Hey, it's Matt Cox, and I'm here with Collier Landry. And Collier has an interesting story. In fact, I remember watching a documentary on this related subject. So as soon as I saw it, I was like, oh, wow. I looked into it. I was like, oh, wow, I need to talk to this guy. This is super interesting. And I watched some videos. And so anyway... Check this out.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, I was going to say, it's definitely perspective. You're not going to use it as a crutch to fail for the rest of your life.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But listen, so many people do.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So many people do.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, exactly. Fraud is actually the highest recidivism rate.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. Murder is the lowest.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, because most of them get out and they never reoffend. Usually it's very circumstantial and of course they're under the microscope the rest of their life. Yeah. you know, very few people do, they actually get out and commit a murder again. I mean, they're out there, but very seldom does that happen. Yeah. I'm talking about the people that get out. Yeah, of course. Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And then there's, you know, then drugs, then, you know, so it keeps going, but yeah, fraud's the worst.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know, Especially because the people that commit fraud have such psychological problems. It's narcissism and just straight arrogance. It's so hard to know how to easily manipulate the system and then not do it because you're so desperate to prove how smart you are. Which is also why most people get caught. It's hard to just shut your mouth. Commit the crime, shut your mouth.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It's not really so much about the money as it is about letting everybody know how smart I am. Interesting. So then you get caught. Well, there you go, stupid. The same thing that gave you the guts to pull it off is the same thing that is your detriment. Yeah. Which was definitely my undoing was that I just

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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allowed, you know, just shot my mouth off, allowed too many people to know what was going on and included too many people and was not, you know, nearly as careful. And, you know, it just kept just caught up with me and caught up with me and caught up with me, you know? And then of course, every time I got lucky and got away with it, I just became more brazen.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I didn't get away with it because I was lucky. I got away with it because I'm just that good. Like, once again, like, oh, this is bad. This is bad. You just got lucky. Walk away. No, no. I'm just that good. Okay. Okay. Yeah. So I thought I was pretty clever right up until the judge said, yeah, you're not so clever, buddy. No, not that clever.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Hey, I appreciate you guys watching. And if you liked the video, do me a favor and hit the subscribe button, hit the bell, leave stuff in the comments and I'll respond. And also I'm going to, we're going to leave Collier's YouTube links and all of his links in the description box. And I appreciate you guys watching. Thanks a lot. Join my Patreon.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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If you like these videos, it helps me more than you know. Also, I have – listen, I have – I've got multiple true crime books that are out there. By all means, check them out. They're on Amazon and Barnes & Nobles, and there's Audibles. And I really appreciate you guys watching. Thank you very much, and I will see you.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. No, I know. I agree. I like I understand. I mean, one being in a very similar household and two, I was just thinking I was I was as you were saying it, I was thinking it's funny, but you don't notice that you don't know there's anything wrong. I'm actually working on a story.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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With my my girlfriend and we're and as we're kind of going through it and like everybody involved in the story is on drugs. Well, you know, when you're surrounded by water, you don't realize you're in water. You know what I mean? Like a fish doesn't know it's in water. So it's the same thing when all you, when your only reference is, you know, you've got a sweet mother and a father who's abusive.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You kind of assume, well, that's how it is with everybody. Right?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So you don't, you realize how odd it is until you get into a normal situation and you go, wow, my family's fucked up. You know, but so I know exactly what you're saying. You just don't see it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I was watching one of your first, like, you know, we were contacted. Then I started watching one of your videos and I was kind of like, that sounds familiar. And then I went and as you were telling the story, I remembered and I remember telling my girlfriend as we were watching. I was like, oh, my God, I remember watching this like 20, like before I even went to prison.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I don't typically commit crimes, but when I do, it's bank fraud. Stay greedy, my friends.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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All right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I mean, I know.

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So what is Pillars of the Earth?

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So you can load up a card with $8,000, $9,000, $10,000 over the course of a week. And now I've got $9,000 on a card I can use.

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Couldn't you take it out? I mean, if it's really your card, couldn't you take it out?

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You've got the PIN card. You've got the PIN. Couldn't you go take money out of the bank account?

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Right.

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They're looking at the ID. I mean, I'm sorry. They're looking at the credit card. It matches. It matches the card I pay with. Right. They swipe it. But then the real, on the receipt, the real number comes up.

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What were those for?

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Fraud.

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Yeah, it's a nice area, right?

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But it gave you a taste of...

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You realize, like, the first few numbers.

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Rob Markman, Do you keep going back to the chick, the Asian chick? What are you giving her?

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Well, why? I mean, she's getting the numbers.

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Oh, it's just hamburgers and french fries.

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That doesn't sound like a lot. It sounds like you gave her 200 bucks one time. And some hamburgers.

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he will make sure it match okay it match all right perfect that's all he wanted all right he's not matching the the the numbers right he's just seeing if it's the id is on the name and he swiped it so the numbers have to be perfectly because he doesn't really understand how it works yeah

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And it went through.

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It appears legit.

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I know it's a real card, but it's not your real information.

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It's charging John Doe's credit cards. Right.

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Yeah, you don't want to burn your name up.

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Anything that was too much attention. The small mom and pop stores. Mom and pop stores. Because they can afford it.

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They're going to get paid.

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Yeah.

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You think you're going to guess the PIN number? I don't know. It's like 1,000 or, shoot, way more than that drives, right? The 100,000 fucking guesses? One, two, three, four. Yeah.

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Is it a skimmer?

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Yeah, yeah.

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For 200 bucks a week, I'm not.

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So you mean the CVV number on the back?

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I thought you were talking about the CVV number. I was like, that's not going to work at an ATM.

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What do you do? One, two. If she does five a day, you know, number one, that's the number I got. Number two, that's the number, you know, right? I mean, or sometimes she gets them, sometimes she doesn't.

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You're still working at McDonald's.

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It doesn't tell you. There's not like a light that lights up and says, hey, you got all of them.

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Yeah, that's stupid.

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She's Asian, bro. She can do it. They're amazing. They're great mathematicians.

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They have good memories.

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I couldn't remember shit. I'd be like, you're lucky I'm fucking able to swipe this thing.

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What did you get per swipe?

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What does an ATM, how much do they give you?

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But it was high-end. It was a high-end store, right? People have money that are coming here.

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I need 10 bucks every time I swipe this fucking thing. That's what I need. Because I didn't know how much... Set fucking price here, bro.

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Rob Markman, Yeah, kind of like an outlet thing. Yeah, it's brand names, but it's like... It's the stuff that didn't sell, but it's still brand name. It's still brand. So it's got a discount brand name.

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It tells you what their balance is.

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You're a small business owner's worst nightmare.

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Oh, yeah. Then you hit the limit. Right?

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Oh, well, you just hit him two for like three times in a row for $200. They're like, oh, something's wrong. This dude knew he wanted $600.

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Or why not get the $400, wait two days or wait a day, go back to another ATM, boom.

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Yeah, they don't know for 30 days.

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If they're not American, it doesn't matter.

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Don't start acting like you feel bad now.

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And you're not paying this poor chick a dime. Poor chick. She's over there and you're like, hey, nice job, Lucy. There's an extra 50. And I got a McDonald's hamburger for you. Because we've been killing McDonald's with these. No.

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So what happened?

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And from now on, I need you to check their IDs to get their zip code.

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You know, she can do it.

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Lucy's like that.

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She'd be like, hey, it's an extra 50. We got you up to $300 a week. $300, right?

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That doesn't look suspicious.

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Yeah, the point of sale.

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Zero dollars and I'm satisfied. There's seven, $8,000 in some of these accounts. I can't leave money on the table. I only made $5,000 today. I can't live on that.

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Right. I didn't have no ID. Well, I mean, you would think that the credit card companies would say, hey, he bought $3,000 or $4,000 worth of money orders. Let's track the money orders. But the truth is they just write it off. They don't have time to track it down. They're never going to get the money. They just write it off.

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But they don't get that far. They don't get that far, yeah. They typically don't investigate anything that's under $10,000. Okay. You know, so the idea that— And that was from different people. Well, and, you know, I have my buddy Zach. I mean, I met a bunch of guys in prison that would do the same thing, the post office thing, where they'd go to the post office.

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And I used to always say, like, that's stupid. Like, they'll just track it. And they'd be like, yeah, but they don't. Like the whole thing is to me, I'd be like, I'm not going to use my name. I'll use a fake ID, a fake this way. They'd be like, I deposit them in my own bank account. Now, Zach actually had somebody open up a corporate account and he would deposit in the corporate account.

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But, you know, typically, but he also had deposited tons of them in his own bank account, his wife's bank account, friend's bank account. They never once ever went back to his bank or showed up and said, hey. This was bought using a fraudulent credit card because once you buy that, that is $1,000. It's done. It doesn't matter if they can track it. It doesn't matter.

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For some reason, they just don't follow up on it.

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Because it's cash. It's actually a monetary – a U.S. government monetary – or whatever you want to call it, note. And so they just can't. To me, they could track it back and be like, hey, here's the bank. Let's go investigate who did it. They could, but they don't. Why they don't? That to me is so stupid, but they just don't.

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I've never met one guy that's done something similar to this with those that they ever track them down. It doesn't even make sense. It's like you don't even give a shit. Like, I mean, don't you want to catch these guys? Like, you keep talking about it. Keeps, oh, we got to stop fraud. Well, maybe look into these postal money owners.

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So how long did this... This lasted for like... Until the girl quit her job and said, I got a better paying job. It pays me an extra $300 a week.

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19.

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This is a 19-year-old.

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Something spooked her.

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You got to go get a job. You go get a job. I'll work a job making fucking shit money if I'm making an extra $40,000 a week. You know, I'll go get a job working it out, and I'll go find a good job.

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I know, but life, you know, sometimes you got to put in a little effort and fraud, you know? I mean, it didn't work out. Yeah. We got the car payments coming up. We got to get back in there.

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You know? So... We got to go get a job. Like... somebody does one of these one of you or one of your buddies one of your buddies yeah for the cards yeah no not to fucking go legit nobody's going legit at this point no we don't go legit till we go to prison no it's it's 200 miles straight into the fucking wall bro right right Somebody, we got to, everybody's got to start putting in an application.

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Somebody needs a cashier job at a decent place where they're not a bunch of knuckleheads buying hamburgers. I need people that are buying real shit. People that come in here that have money.

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I need a bunch of older white women that come in here, you know, that look like they're driving BMWs and Mercedes.

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That's where we need her card. Yes, ma'am. I got it. Oh, I got it. Okay. No, there's something wrong. It's not going through. Can I have your card real quick? Thank you. Mm-hmm. Boom. Hit the button on the cap. Go straight through. There you go. Thank you. Right. Mrs. Johnson.

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You work there for two months. And then you quit the job. And then you get another job. Because what you don't want to do is for some... You don't want some do-gooder fraud guy in the fraud department to put this together and go, you know what? We got a bunch of fraud that's happening. and we're running it through LexisNexis, and there's other fraud going through,

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And all of these cards are going—this fraud is going through at this location. Like, it takes six months to a year for them to figure it out.

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So you did it for 60 days, quit that job, go get another job. And I can get another job. Why? Because I have experience.

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I was just working at Louis Vuitton.

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You know? So you go in. Yeah, I currently work at Louis, but to be honest with you, I'm just not happy there.

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And then you go get another job. Right. Then you do that for three or four months, and you quit that job, and you go. And the whole time, you and your buddies are out at night. Hey, can I get $1,500 in money orders? You're doing that on the... I mean, granted, you're going to be working 80 hours around the clock, but it's worth it.

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Rob Markman So, what happened since then?

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I think T or Wiz have to go get a fucking job. That's what I think. Somebody needs to start flirting with some cashiers. I got to flirt with some cashiers. I got to get in good with one of these chicks.

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Yeah. Because the girl could give you a thing where she could dig it 14 cards or she could give you 75 no no I need 50 cards it's 10 bucks a card right and it's 20 if you got the pin and I'll take and by the way if the pin doesn't work like you just think I'll get cute and make it up well then next week when you give me the 50 I deduct the 20 I deduct if it card didn't work right

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Your drive-thru is easier because they hand you the card. They swipe it, then hit it, then push it and give them the card back, right? Like they don't see what's going on back there.

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You got to go to Manhattan. You got to go to New Jersey. That's where everybody going. You got to start going to... That's where everybody going because it's the closest. Fly in to... Go to Dallas. Go to Houston. Go to some places, you know. If I have to jump on a plane for a day, I'll rent a hotel. Like, I mean, you know.

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We got to keep this thing going.

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It was just becoming more difficult.

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It's almost like a job.

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Some people use him for gifts.

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You walk by each other and go.

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Nobody at Panera is going to come fucking jump over. There's not a SWAT team waiting in the back of Panera.

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I picture the Jewish guy, like the Hasidic one with the curve.

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Yes, it's very bad. They is criminals. Very bad. That's Indian. Sorry.

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It's plausible deniability. You don't talk about it because that way if I ever get questioned, I can be like, what are you talking about? That nice guy that used to bring me the cards at a discount? What do you mean? They was buying them with fake credit? No. I don't know. I take the cards. I put them on the website. I don't know. I thought he had an in.

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So if you're getting $3,000 a day, five days a week, that's $15,000. Half that's $7,500. That's $7,500. That's $30,000 a month. Plus all the salad shit I'm doing still. It was good.

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That's almost $400,000 a year just on fast food. I swear to God. I swear. Where's this guy selling them? He's got, he's got like a website. He's got to have a website or something.

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Yeah, it makes sense.

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Is it a Fargo one?

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He's in Miami and you're in New York. You would think that the card manufacturer or the card bank system would say, hey, these guys can't be in two different places at once.

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All right.

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After the probation is ended or a couple of months after you got out?

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Where they pick somebody up and they bring them to jail.

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You're going to prison in Florida on everything you've mentioned you're doing sometime.

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You looked like double, triple secret probation. Like, what is this? This is a joke.

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What are you paying for a dog? A couple thousand dollars? You're selling it for what? A thousand or?

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Well, listen, rich people don't like spending money.

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Did you give her the look when they asked her about the dog? Did you give her the look like? What have you done now? That's the look you got to give. Officer, I know why you pulled me over. She's running some kind of scam, isn't she? I know. I've been telling her. I've told her. I told her. She's trouble.

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It's an extra month of probation.

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It's not a respectable charge.

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You did six months in jail?

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And you're out on bail.

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Did you look her right in the face and say, when I get out, I'm coming back here for you?

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You get emboldened by it. You start feeling like you can't, you can't do no wrong. Yeah.

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The cops arrest you?

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Must have been Vic Ferrari. Remember? We actually did an interview with a guy from the auto theft division in New York City. His name's Vic Ferrari.

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Yeah. He's got a bunch of crazy stories.

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Yeah. He's another guy. Podcast would probably get you on his podcast. You got to do Sixes. You got to do Vicks.

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Auto theft's huge in New York.

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We're trying to help you out.

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You're like, no, no, no. I was selling them. I was renting them for, like, $1,000 a week. It can't be that much. No, that's not how it works. My guy may have given you $1,000, but he drove off with a $70,000 vehicle.

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Was that not true? They weren't so thankful that they dropped the charges?

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But you got the one year. How much time did you do on the one year?

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Well, you must have never spent more than a week or two without going to court. That's actually not a bad way to do it. Well, it sucks to kind of be moved, but it breaks up the day.

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Sometimes you probably get a better meal.

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And did you have probation after that?

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But that's when you started working at McDonald's again. Nah. And you haven't gotten in trouble since then.

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What is your wife saying? What is your wife saying? Do you have any idea what my wife would do if I told her, listen, I'm thinking about doing this? She'd be like, that's never going to fucking happen.

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That's nuts.

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She's like, she's not really impressed. Yeah. She's like, yeah, yeah, that's nice. No, it's nice. I've never done this before. That's great. But she's not impressed by it. Like, she could get, she could take it or leave it. Like, you want to go? Yeah, we'll go on vacation. But she's not the one to be saying, like, oh, we got to go here. Oh, I want this car. Oh, I want this bag.

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Can you buy me this bag?

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Which is funny, because, That tends to make me want to do it more.

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Yeah, because now you're like, I want to spend money on you.

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Right.

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And so you said that's where we'll start.

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Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You have a dummy wallet that when you open it up, it says, why are you looking through my wallet?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Seems like you get arrested a lot quicker that way, but yeah.

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Definitely not a white guy.

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There is a Douglasville.

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What's your probation officer down here say? I mean. Is he like, this is silly?

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What do you use to edit yourself?

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Hotbed of tyranny.

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Why? But I don't.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I like Ronald Reagan said the most frightening words ever uttered were I'm from the government. I'm here to help you.

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Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I know. You don't get to... Well, I did make the decision to go.

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Because you're the newborn.

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Oh, he had a newborn.

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But now you're going bouncing from job to job in London? Yeah. And you have your own apartment?

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Conned your way. I know what conned is.

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start selling what in ecstasy tablets yeah okay so i mean it is do you get to a point where Where that's paying your bills? Oh yeah. Like a full-time thing?

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That's good money. When you say you're making or?

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Yeah, we say Ibiza. Sorry.

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Less exposure?

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Ich habe etwa 5 Jahre davon. Und du wurdest nie wieder verhaftet?

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So why did the guy end up, you said go into the police station, why was he in the police station?

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ähm, Yeah, I was going to say, I don't think it's... You know, what happens is when you commit crime and get away with it, you become emboldened by it. You become... You know, you get cocky. You know what I'm saying? Well, it's cocky, yeah. Yeah, I definitely... Like, I was super cocky. Even the times that I would come close to getting caught and not get caught, I thought, I'm just that good.

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I'm just that good. It's not because I got lucky. It would just be like, I know what I'm doing. I'm just very good at this. The truth is, I just got lucky. You know, like, they happened to not check here or not do this or not... Aber ja, du fühlst dich von ihm enttäuscht. Ja, das ist gut.

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Also, wie viel hast du verloren?

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In Australia? No, no.

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My mom used to have a saying, she used to say, there was once a Norwegian man that loved his wife so much, he almost told her. There you go, exactly. You know what I'm saying? It's like... Du siehst andere Familien, wo sie reisen, schütteln, küssen. Sie berühren sich ständig und sind glücklich. Auch meine Mutter, wie ich sie liebe,

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I can think on, I can probably count on, it's probably less than 10 times, like very seldomly ever walked up and hugged me or, you know, there was no, you can do it. It was, go sit down, you know, yeah.

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And I never looked back.

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We will say. So you stopped using powder. Yeah. Right. Just like that.

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So what, I mean, eventually you go to school, right? Like, I mean, you went to, Wie viele Brüder und Schwestern? Deine Mutter hatte... Da waren 14. Aber deine Mutter hatte... Nein, nein, nein.

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Are you still using coke?

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I was going to say, you were still drinking and you were drinking and using coke and you were doing coaching?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You would think you're training people on how to be focused.

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You would think that you would be able to say, let me get rid of this drug problem.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So, okay, so you moved to Malta. What happened to your gym? So the gym COVID had, it was... It destroyed it?

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Also der Mann... Ja, es gab zwei... Meine Eltern hatten zwei Töchter, zwei Söhne. Aber das sah aus wie viele Kinder.

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Oh, ich liebe Jordan Peterson, wo er sagt, das Schlimmste, was du tun kannst, ist, deinen Kindern zu sagen, dass du perfekt bist, wie du bist, aber du bist nicht perfekt, wie du bist. Du kannst besser sein, du kannst verbessern, du kannst das, du kannst das. Und wenn Dinge falsch gehen in deinem Leben, dann vertraust du an diesen Dingen, wahrscheinlich.

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Ich meine, es ist sehr selten, dass schlechte Dinge zu Menschen passieren. Aber... Es ist wie in einem Gefängnis. Wenn du in einem Gefängnis verletzt wirst, hast du es wahrscheinlich selbst verletzt. Genau. Wenn du in einem Gefängnis bist, wirst du überrascht. Wenn du verletzt wirst, wirst du verletzt. Wenn du verletzt wirst, wirst du verletzt. Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja.

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But it's the same thing in life. It's like if you're hanging out with all the wrong people and you're not getting up earlier and you're not completing your assignments and you're putting all of these things off.

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And then suddenly you don't have the money to pay for your bills or your car or you, you know, oh, my, my insurance, my insurance expired and they, they, they canceled my, my, uh, my license. And now I can't drive. You knew you had insurance coming. They didn't, they didn't do like the guys that go to prison and we're like, man, they gave me 10 years. You gave you 10 years choices, right?

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They, are you innocent? They didn't, you're not innocent, bro. You were, Bankfraud. Es war wie, Mann, Bruder, sie haben dir all diese Zeit gegeben. Nein, nein, ich habe Bankfraud gemacht. Sie haben nichts mit mir gemacht. Ich habe das mit mir gemacht. Weißt du, ich sollte hier sein. Ja, du weißt. Aber ja, du siehst so viele Leute. Es ist wie, oh, du weißt, alles.

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Und ich höre, dass alles gegen mich steckt. Wirklich? Ja, wirklich. Weil du klug bist. Weißt du, du bist einfach müde. Normalerweise ist es einfach, du bist einfach müde. Du folgst nicht durch an Dingen. Du machst Dinge weg. You don't complete the assignments that you're given. And then things start going bad for you. And then you wonder why. Because it's not hard. Write a list.

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And if you write a list and you start hammering away at that list, you don't have time to do all this other shit. I was going to say, there's that Trump thing where he said, you're depressed. He said, you know what's great for depression? Work.

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You don't have time to be depressed. Work your ass off.

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Also was passiert, wenn ich meine, du gehst, du gehst, naja, ich meine, sie nennen es High School.

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You know what's funny? You got lucky. I had somebody say that to me probably about a year or so ago. Maybe six months, a year ago. Somebody goes, oh, well, you know, I was just saying like, wow, man, things are going so good. Yeah, you know, well, you know, you got lucky. And I went, I said, I went, I did get lucky. I did get lucky. You know when I started getting lucky?

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After I've been locked up for about three years and I wrote my memoir. Yeah. Und dann hat mein Memoir nicht geklappt, übrigens. Also habe ich drei Bücher über das Wissen, wie man ein Memoir schreibt. Oder wirklich, wie man Non-Fiction schreibt. Ich weiß nicht, ob sie diese Serie haben. Es heißt, wie du weißt, Wissen für Dummies. Es ist eine Serie, oder? Oder der Idiots Guide to Writing True Crime.

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Also habe ich diese Bücher gelesen. Und dann habe ich mein Memoir wieder geschrieben. Und dann habe ich angefangen, andere Leute's Geschichten zu schreiben. Und dann habe ich das seit sieben Jahren im Gefängnis gemacht. Und dann habe ich angefangen, die Geschichten auf Synopsis zu schreiben. Nur kurze Versionen, weil ich kann nicht ein Buch auf jeden schreiben, richtig?

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Also schreibe ich vier oder fünf Bücher, während ich im Gefängnis war. Und ich habe angefangen zu schreiben. Ich habe angefangen, Schriften zu schreiben. um sie mit mir ins Gefängnis zu arbeiten. Und ich bekomme ein Artikel, das in Rolling Stone Magazine veröffentlicht wurde. Und dann brauchte ich einen Literaturagenten, denn man kann nicht einfach jemanden wie Simon Schuster anrufen.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Also habe ich über 150 Schriften geschrieben. Und ich habe jeden Tag zwei und drei Rejection, Rejection, Rejection. Und am Ende bekam ich jemanden, der sagte, Hey, send me the whole thing. Send me the book. So I send a book. I got a book deal. I get a literary agent. I get another book deal. We option the life rights for this guy. Then I realized I could write synopses.

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So I keep writing synopses while everybody else

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playing handball and they're playing um they're playing a tag football and they're learning how to play the guitar and they're they're learning how to do a horticulture i don't want to know any of that stuff i'm not interested i'm writing all these stories and then just before a couple of years before i get out everybody's telling me you need to get out and start a true crime podcast yeah yeah podcaster big when i got arrested

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Never been on an iPhone. There was no smartphones when I got arrested. YouTube had been out one year. I'd never been on YouTube. I'd been locked up three years before the term podcast was even invented. That would be 2009. I was locked up in 2006. So I've been locked up three years before that even existed. So, people are telling me what a podcast is.

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Imagine trying to explain what a podcast is and you've never seen one. I'm like, so it's like a radio show? Kind of like a radio show? So... Und am Ende sage ich den Leuten, ich denke, ich werde einen Podcast machen. Ich weiß nicht, was ein Podcast ist, ich habe keine Ahnung. Aber ich habe gearbeitet, und ich habe Geschichten gekauft, und ich bin ein guter Storyteller.

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Und das ist etwas, was ich tun kann. Ich kann nicht mehr Fraude verursachen, weil der Gericht sehr spezifisch darüber war. Er hat mir definitiv meine Lektion gezeigt. Also wusste ich, dass das nicht eine Option sein sollte. Ich würde sagen, es ist nicht eine Option, wenn Dinge schlecht gehen. Du weißt es nicht.

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But I got out of prison and then I started telling my story and then we started a podcast. Don't know how to start a podcast. Don't know anything about it. eventually start one with my iPhone and then a camera that somebody gave me and then Colby, then I get a buddy who gets me Colby and then we keep working and it's not paying my bills.

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I'm in the halfway house, go from the halfway house to somebody's spare room. I'm living in a rooming house. So I'm in somebody's room. Ich habe nicht mal im Schlafzimmer geschlafen, es hatte einen großen Schlafen. Ich habe im Schlafen geschlafen. Dann bekomme ich mein eigenes Wohnzimmer. Und dann endet es hier. Aber das ganze Zeit, für die ersten zweieinhalb Jahre, ist es nicht bezahlt.

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Es kommt zu einem Punkt, wo ich einen Konto für 300, 400 Euro bekomme. Sehr glücklich. Ja, genau. Ich habe angefangen, auf meinen Glück zu arbeiten. Oh, thank you.

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People need to step up.

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Ich habe ein paar Schichten. Die Unterschiede sind diese. Hier ist die Sache. You could take that and you could read it, right? I have dyslexia. I read like at a fourth grade level. Keep in mind, I'm writing books. I would write the books in prison. I would write them like I'd write a chapter. And I'd go around and I'd give it to the guys that I thought were smart. And I'd say, read this.

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And then they would be like, yeah, bro, you misspelled this. This is a run-on sentence. You misspelled this. And then they'd give it back to me. You might want to think about... Sie würden mir helfen, weil es keine Wörter gibt. Ich meine, es gibt keinen Computer. Ich schreibe auf einem Legal Pad. Und dann gehe ich und schreibe es in den Computer, schreibe es wieder aus, lasse es sich wieder lesen.

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Dann schicke ich es jemandem auf der Straße. Sie schicken es raus. Wir lesen es wieder. Ich kriege es drei, vier Mal. Dann schicke ich es endlich in ein Manuskript. Ich schicke es in. Wir lesen es ein paar Mal. Boom. Ich habe ein fertiges Produkt. Das ist, wie lange es dauert. Aber ich schreibe, ich habe Dyslexie, ich bin immer in Schulen für Kinder mit Lernunstabilitäten gegangen.

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Also, wenn ich das lese, ist es horrifisch. Und was ich mache, ist, ich lese, ich finde vielleicht die ersten drei Sätze, die ich memorieren kann, und dann mache ich das. Ich stelle es runter und sage, weißt du, wachst du in der Mitte der Nacht, schmerzhaft? Und ich stoppe und schaue runter. Well, if you get cool pillow and then I go through and then I read the next thing and I freeze.

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So I can do that for maybe three lines and sometimes I can remember one or two lines. And then I'm like, Colby, you can read the next one. Then I'll read the next paragraph and I'll read it two or three times because it's really bad. And then the next one, say the next sentence and then I'll read it twice and I'll be like, you know.

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Well, if that's the case, you should be thinking about, you know, getting cool pillow. And then I stop, and then I read the next. He puts it all together with the B-Roll, and when it's done... It's perfect. Yeah. Listen, amazing. I hear it, I'm like...

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Ich bin ein großer Vertreter der Intuition.

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Hör auf, hör auf. Jedes Mal, und das ist das Gleiche, ich weiß es schon von dir, weil das einfach so ist. Jedes Mal, wenn du auf deine Freundin verletzt hast und du nach Hause gekommen bist, gleichzeitig kommst du immer nach Hause, nichts, du kommst nach Hause, du gehst rein, du sitzt, du sagst, hey Baby, was ist los? Du sitzt und sie ist so, wo bist du? Ja. Was meinst du damit?

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Und sie ist so, was ist los? Ich komme nach Hause an der gleichen Zeit jede Nacht. Sie wissen es einfach. Es ist das Gleiche. Jedes Mal, wenn eine Frau mich verletzt hat, habe ich es schon Tage vorher gefühlt, bevor du eines Tages sagst, dass etwas nicht richtig ist und du es herausfindest. Du hast es gefühlt. Nichts hat verändert. Es war nichts anderes. Es war nur das Gefühl.

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Ich bin ein großer... Hör auf. Wenn ich... Ich bin schon in der Bank gewesen. Cash and a check for like 29 grand. And the guy's just like that. He knows. And he's called. I know he called here. They answered the phone. They covered it. I know he called this person. They covered. I know everything he's doing. He's like, everything is covered. Everything says, give this guy the money.

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But I know something's wrong. And I'm sitting there thinking, this poor bastard. Yeah.

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They figured it out when the Secret Service showed up a week later. Why'd you let him leave if you knew? I don't know. Yeah, everything was covered.

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Ja, ich würde sagen, hast du jemals gehört, dass dein Vater der einzige lebende Mann ist, der dich immer besser tun möchte als er? Absolut. Es ist lustig, ich habe einen Freund, ich will nicht sagen, wer er ist, weil er super privat ist, aber ich meine, er hat, hör mal.

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He's got a Ferrari, he's got like, he's got a ton of just cars, huge house, gorgeous wife, adorable kids, the two perfect dogs, like it just makes a ton of money. And I've never seen him angry, never seen this guy angry. He called me one day and he was somewhere talking to somebody and Sie sagten, oh, hast du ein neues Auto? Ja, ich habe dieses Auto. Und der Typ sagte, oh, das muss gut sein.

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Und er, hör mal, er hat mich angerufen. Er war so, dieser Arschloch. Ich war so, oh, ja. Und ich lachte darüber. Wir waren an einem Ort, wo meine Frau, ihre Freunde waren. Er sagte, aber es hat alles in mir genommen, nicht zu sagen,

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Do you have any idea what I had to do to get here? Do you have any idea how much I risked? How much I had to starve? How many times I came close to having nothing? How I saw the opportunities that everybody else around me didn't see or they saw but they didn't act? Or I spent all my money to get this thing developed and then I had to sell it? All the things like you...

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went to high school, went to school, ended up going to work for like the police department and God bless you, but that's a regular job or whatever, you know, a government job. You got a government job. Because it was safe and you knew for sure you were going to go on and be okay. You're going to have a pension, you're going to have these things, that sort of thing.

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For the last 15 years that it took him to build this business, he's like, that whole 15 years, he said, it was gut-wrenching, 80 hours a week. I don't know if I'm going to be able to pay my rent next month. Agony until it hit. Und er meinte, dass es nicht geschehen hätte. Es war absoluter Verschuldung und Grit, der ihn da hinbekommen hat. Und nichts macht diesen Kerl, übrigens, verrückt.

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Als er mir das gesagt hat, war ich auf dem Telefon so, der Arschlöcher ist verrückt. Ich kann ihn sehen, wie er um seine Wohnung geht. Und ich dachte, okay, er weiß nicht, er ist ein unglücklicher Mensch. Danke Gott, er ist unglücklicher. Ja. Aber ja, es gibt Leute, die das manchmal tun. You know, because people that tend to say that, oh, it must be nice.

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Like, oh yeah, it felt, I played the lottery. Yeah, you're right. I went, I was, I had my job. I went in, scratched it off and now I'm a multimillionaire. That's not how this happened.

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You know what's funny? I don't know anybody that's successful I don't know anybody that's successful that doesn't want other people to be successful. I know plenty of losers. die auf erfolgreiche Leute hassen. Aber ich kenne niemanden, der erfolgreich ist, der nicht sagt, ich hoffe, das funktioniert. Ich will das Beste für dich. Wie kann ich dir helfen? Das ist eine großartige, gute Idee.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Was machst du? Erfolgreiche Leute wollen andere Leute erfolgreich machen, die ich kenne. Und es gibt einige Leute, die auf der Ladder des Erfolgs steigen und es von unter ihnen auslösen. Aber die meisten erfolgreiche Leute, die ich kenne, steigen auf der Ladder des Erfolgs und bitten Leute, zu kommen.

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Aber ich weiß, dass es viele Leute gibt, die nicht erfolgreich sind, die nichts machen, sondern schreien und weinen und weinen. Und sie wissen nicht, dass das ein großer Teil der Grund ist, warum du da bist, wo du bist. Fakt. Wenn du das stoppen würdest und dich für das, was du gemacht hast, anerkennst und hart arbeitest, wärst du in einem großen Raum ziemlich schnell.

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Zumindest einen besseren Raum jeden Tag. Und an irgendeinem Punkt geht es einfach weg.

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Das ist ein verdammtes Wort, Mann. Ich bin es und ich werde es sein. Hoffentlich. Ich will versuchen, humbl zu bleiben. Ich will humbl sein und beobachten, was ich habe.

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Weißt du, was lustig ist? Meine Frau fühlt sich, als würde ich immer arbeiten. Immer. Ich fühle mich, als ob ich jemals arbeiten würde. Auch wenn ich hier bin. Aber ich mache Sachen, die ich nicht verpassen kann. Manchmal mache ich etwas, ich arbeite an einem ganzen Projekt und es ist einfach so, dass ich es nie machen kann.

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Ich arbeite an einem anderen Projekt, das nächste Mal, boom, es kostet und du verdienst ein paar tausend Dollar. Es sind solche Sachen. Ich arbeite immer an verschiedenen Dingen. You know, sometimes they pay off, sometimes they don't. But I like everything I do and I enjoy working just constantly, you know. And the great thing is like, you know, working for yourself.

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If she says, hey, do you want to go to lunch? You're like, yeah, let's go to lunch, you know, or hey, let's go. Absolutely. You know, but like if we're going to go play, go. Nice. Nice.

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I think a lot of people would do the three or four years if they knew there was a paycheck. But the thing is, that's the problem. You don't know. We're going and going and going and we don't know if there's a paycheck at the end of it. But...

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Yeah. Alright, is that it? I think it's good. Where do I tell people to go?

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Row, sorry. Row, sorry. Row, sorry. Row, sorry.

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Row, sorry. Row, sorry. Und wir werden den Link in der Beschreibung verlassen. Also alles, was du tun musst, ist in die Beschreibung zu gehen, den Link zu klicken, ihn da drüben zu schießen, ihn zu folgen. Du kannst ihn auch messen. Du kannst auch auf seine Facebook-Page gehen, ihn da zu folgen, ihn auf Messenger zu messen. Wieder einmal, ich freue mich wirklich, dass ihr euch gesehen habt.

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Thank you very much. See ya.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So that's my eldest sister. She went to New Zealand?

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Ich frage mich, wer für die Schulträume zahlt? Schulträume sind teuer. Ja, teuer. Mein Vater. Weil meine Mutter... Also, er war nicht... Und ich könnte falsch sein. Wenn ich über einen Landwirt in Irland denke, denke ich nicht, dass er viel Geld hat. Ich könnte völlig falsch sein.

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Ja, Kinder sind viel mehr managable, wenn jemand anderes sie kümmert. Und dann kommen sie einfach für die Weihnachten und dann sind sie wieder da. Sie kommen für den Sommer und dann sind sie wieder da. Absolut. Hör auf. Das ist das, was ich persönlich machen würde. Aber das ist die Art, wie ich es mache. Es ist verrückt, wenn du darüber denkst. Nun, meine Mutter hatte keinen Schaden.

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So what happened with the boarding school? Did you graduate from boarding school?

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Yourself or just total? Total. Because the average bank robber gets like 3,500 total. Or I think it used to be 1,500. I think it's like 3,500. In that range, it's not a lot. It's not a lot. Because...

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but I had a guy in the, uh, in the comment section the other day, say, said, um, if Matt Cox was interviewing Jesus Christ, he'd start with, tell me where you were born.

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He must have had some issues with when he turned the money into the bank, they wouldn't take it.

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Well, you know, by the way, just the naming the streets and everything doesn't matter because people in, they don't know what hell. Yeah. I mean, people in Australia.

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He's thinking, he's thinking you guys want. Yeah, I'm gonna steal a little bit. Right. Not tell them exactly what I got. He's actually got a couple extra grand. Right. But he's also, so it came back on him because he's got. True story.

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So you finally go into this store, you get pinched. How'd you get grabbed?

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So this is a guy who did like a robbery. You were doing robberies. Right. He did a robbery on his own. He did it on his own. He wasn't supposed to.

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So no birthday party for you?

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There's a federal public defender's office, but they only have so many. So what happens is that if they're full, well then the court will actually appoint a private lawyer.

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And you're never going home tomorrow. No. Unless you know there's a terrorist or something imminent. Exactly.

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If you give them any room at all to yank the proffer away from you. I made sure they knew about everything. They told us this, but we just found out, once we looked into it, we found out this, you never mentioned this, so we're not gonna give you any credit.

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They're gonna say, oh, he's fucking snitching, he's this, he's that.

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been trying to solve this. Imagine how much time they've spent trying to find this and then to have the guy. They've spent hours and hours and hours driving around and just thinking about you and who you are and looking for you. They're super curious about you. When they get to talk to you, they already have this fantasy of who you are.

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They're thinking you're this person and you find out, no, this is who he is and this is what happened. Exactly. And that was another thing.

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Nixon mask? Uh-huh. Okay, that's the connection. That's the connection between the movie. You ever seen Point Break? You ever seen Point Break? That was one of the first masks I mean, I was. I was just wondering. Point Break, they all wear president's masks. And they jump on the counter. They immediately jump up. And they're wearing the outfits, the whole thing. They did.

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Not only that.

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Yeah, I always used to say that. I used to say prison's the great equalizer. Exactly. If you're a multimillionaire. Exactly. You were born, we're raising the projects. So I. You get a bonk. You're wearing greens, you're wearing greens.

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So no money and somebody gets shot in the head. Exactly. But was he out or just like, he was okay, but the bullet had to go through the glass. Right. So it slowed it down. It just grazed him. Okay, I was gonna say, and we're talking about a nine millimeter. I'm not saying it didn't hurt, but I'm saying it didn't penetrate his skull. It grazed him.

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But this is a legal casino. It's just a little shitty.

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So let's go back, your PSI is supposed to be, your PSI says 27 years, you get 17 knocked off.

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Like everybody thinks, you know, anybody who, people that have never been through the system always think, oh, well, you get a lawyer. Like all lawyers are the same. They're not all the same. They're not all working for you. They're not always interested in, or, you know, they don't always have your interest in mind. You have to understand that The law work, that's a lot of work.

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So they're trying to limit their ability. They have a lot of case loads. Right, oh, it's ridiculous.

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Yeah, all right, okay. Yeah, it's, yeah. 10 years in federal prison and three years probation, okay. You got a year and a half off though, right? For a good time. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Have you got a gun or are you just telling them open it?

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What was the first one? How did you pick the place? How did that go?

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How long did you go to the state? By the way, you never said how much time you got for that.

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It's funny you say that because I knew a guy – named Easter in a prison. And he used to say that he used to do the exact same thing. He would immediately throw it while he was driving. He'd throw, as soon as he got in, he'd throw all the cash into a microwave that he had hooked up to the plug and he'd turn it on.

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You're driving down the street with the inside of the car sprayed with red.

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I mean, everybody, it's always like, you know, they're like the average bank robber gets like 3,500 bucks and you'll meet a guy who got, you know, he got 5,000 one time, 15,000 one time, you know, 35,000, you know, 2000, you know what I'm saying? Like, like it's, it's never what, it's never more than an average of maybe 10 or $15,000.

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And they got to a point where you got rid of, I don't understand what you say. You got rid of a bunch of stuff. Like you're now making money. Why are you getting rid of stuff?

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It got out of control. Wait a second. They're mailing it in and you're mailing them a check or just mailing them new money?

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If they were from Interpol.

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Uh, yeah, I know guys have got like three years, four years for, uh,

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So the Fed sent the guy to you. Or he came up with, hey, I know a guy that might buy these and he's wired up. So you buy them and then you turn around and they provide a seller who's a Fed. So you sell them.

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What sounds like you're sounds like you're the mark.

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So, so they, they, okay. So they come to you and they, they set you up and then a hundred percent, a hundred percent.

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know in this heat you're probably losing about a gallon an hour he's like for real you might want to get out and close that so i cranked this thing down i said thank you he goes have a great day turned around right and i drove off hey this is matt cox and i am here with captain tommy he is a youtuber he runs the youtube channel the lifeboat i think he will correct me if i'm wrong

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. And this is a stolen Durango. Is this a stolen Durango too?

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No, no, I avoided, I, I did, um, I did three years. No, no, I did three years in the medium. And then I did, uh, nine years in the, uh, in, in a low. And of course I did a year in the Marshall's holdover. So it was like 13 years, but in the low, so yeah, it was a dorm. It sucked. Like I was desperately didn't want to leave the medium, uh, You know, you get into a routine.

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It doesn't matter how rough the place is. Once you're in a routine, you're good. And I had a good routine. I'm teaching GED. I work in the library, you know. But I didn't want to. But by that point, I was below the threshold, like the 20-year threshold. They said, you got to go to the fucking low. So I go to the low. And it storms. And it sucks. You get used to it.

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But then I get into a routine there. And then they wanted to send me to a camp. The problem was – and I wouldn't have cared, honestly. But my problem was – that the closest camp was Miami. And that's like a four-hour drive for my mother. And my mother used to come see me every two weeks. Well, Coleman's only an hour north of Tampa. She can go an hour. She can't go four hours.

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Do you see what I'm saying? She's already in her 80s. I'm not going to make her do that. So I did everything I could. I actually entered the RDAP program in order for them to put a management variable on me. But it took months. So it took like three or four months for the management variable. So I went – let's say I went like five months before it was on there, five or six months.

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And then I dropped out. Then I waited – so then let's say – Three or four months later, they come to me and they say, look, we're moving you to a camp. I said, what are you talking about? I got a management variable. They said, I know. I said, that's good for a year. And they said, yeah, I know, Cox, but they're pushing for people to go to a camp. And you honestly, that was for our app.

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You're out of our app. And I said, listen, bro, I'm going back to our app. I said, I got a problem. I can't lose. I can't leave here.

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thinking the way I'm thinking I got problems I gotta go back so I said I already put in for I'm meeting with a doctor like next week I already got an appointment I didn't have an appointment I immediately went and applied and within about two weeks I did have an appointment they put me right back in and so I go in again this time I stay even longer because you know now I definitely now I realize they may fucking shit me I may get out and two weeks later be on a bus so I waited till they till they put me in for

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for the uh like i knew i was going to be put into for the halfway house like they didn't have time i knew they didn't have time to ship me so then i dropped out again you know in my um i remember the doctor who ran the thing her name was dr smith she kept saying cox what are you doing like she's why don't you just complete the program and i think because if i complete the program i said i'll get a year off but i only get like two or three months halfway house

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And I said, I need the halfway house. I said, let's face it. I said, if I come back to prison, I'm going to need that. I said, I'm going to be in my 50s. I'm going to need that year. And she's like, don't say that. Don't. No question. So I dropped out again. And within a few months, they had me scheduled for halfway house. And I did like seven and a half months halfway house.

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Well, I think for me, after 13 years, I was like, honestly, living in someone's spare room is – if I have to live in someone's spare room and I can barely pay my bills, that's probably – that's better. I'm better off doing that.

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Although the truth is I kind of felt like, look, if I'll do that for a year or so, but if I got no hope of ever getting out of that situation, I was probably going to just commit fraud again. Because we used to always joke like, well, what if you get to be too old to work and you don't have enough money? The BOP has always got a fucking spot for me.

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Yeah. And I knew guys that were in there who had gone in, who were like in their seventies and they went and they just fucking robbed a couple of banks, robbed two or three banks, and then literally just waited for the cops to show up. Like they're not even trying. Who's that?

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So you guys would do what? You'd do infomercials, put them on, what, in the morning?

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Is that where Madoff died?

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Butner. Butner. Yeah, yeah. You're right.

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I have a, I have a buddy that like had to, you know, put in work and he said, and he was like, I got so lucky. Like we, they, it was him and like two other guys and the other guy punched him, punched the dude, like got into the fight and boom, the guy hit the green, the whole thing. And.

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he's like, so we, we, you know, and then we of course immediately, you know, took off and every, and that was it. He's like me just standing in the room was me putting in work. He's like, so I didn't know.

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But can you imagine coming from the life that this dude's been living and he's going to, he's going to walk into a, into a Cali prison as a, I was going to say, listen, if, if, if, if he was going to a low security prison, like if he was going to the low security Coleman, the low security prison, it wouldn't be that big of a deal, you know?

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But now there may be a guy that might fucking – they may smash him. He's probably not going to get to watch TV. But that's honestly – that also – let's say 50-50 that people give him a hard time. The 50% chance that people kind of see him as a celebrity and don't bother him at all, he's not going to be able to watch TV.

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There's some things guys are going to give him a hard time, but he is going to walk the yard. He is going to be able to eat. He is probably going to get that hard of a time at a low. But a California prison?

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No, they have. So they have two pins.

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One is kind of a dropout pin. Right. Like, yeah. Kind of, you know, retirees. Yes. And then you have the medium and then you have the low. You have the low and then you have the camp. So the camp used to be women. It's now men. So they're all male. Matter of fact, my wife was at the, the camp at Coleman when it was for women.

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So, but yeah, I mean, if he went to the low, like at the medium, I don't, I don't know. I don't think he's going to walk, walk.

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What an, what an awkward conversation.

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Just to be like, listen, I'm going to have to stab you. I feel bad.

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Oh, yeah. They would run around. Guys would strip naked and run around the compound at 730 at night, and you've got 20 guards trying to grab this guy naked. Yeah.

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Let me let me try something funny about that. Is it? We wake up at two o'clock in the morning and you've got a guy laying in his bed screaming uncontrollably. And then, so now like he's been screaming for like five, 10 minutes.

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And finally, of course the CEO realizes, okay, something's going, you know, they're doing the rounds or something, or he finally hears it and he's like, fuck, I'm going to go check this out. So he goes, checks it out. Then they turn the lights on. Then as the cops are all starting to come and you're just laying in your bed, like, You know, waiting for watching the cops walk by.

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Now the lights are on. It's like everybody's awake and everybody they're screaming, staying yourselves. And then all of a sudden you hear another guy start screaming. And then in the next unit, because there's a hallway that connects them. The next unit, you hear another guy screaming because when the one guy started screaming. The other guys realized I have the same batch he has.

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That's the good shit. And then they take it. It's like, that's the good stuff. He's screaming. He's on fire. He thinks crabs are eating him. And now you think, oh, that's a good stuff. Let me get some of that. Yeah, it's exactly.

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Um, I, you know, it's funny. Um, when you mentioned, talk about the, the guy that are putting in work, you know, guys, whenever I'm sure you get this, whenever some people find out you were in prison, they're always like, bro, what's that like? Like, were you scared? Were you worried? Were you this? And I,

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you know i always say you know well and i mean initially i was i was worried but you very quickly realized that like if you get stabbed in prison you probably had it coming like they're not randomly they're not randomly running up stabbing people like like they gave you a chance you borrowed money you were or you were disrespectful you broke your credit card the first time right then you get all kinds of chances no question right

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Like they're not just running up and doing it because you glance at somebody wrong. I mean, not that that doesn't happen, but that could happen on the street.

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I was going to say too, I've heard, but that wasn't even in, that was in the Marshalls holdover.

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I was going to say, go ahead, sorry.

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Okay, so you had what, four years?

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I, well, my, you know, yeah, my judge didn't, although he did give me a great quote, um, he, uh, for my, I put it on the cover of my book. I put it's a, the quote is, uh, The complexity and nefariousness of Cox's fraud is breathtaking. And I remember thinking, nice. I know you didn't mean it that way, but it's nice. Appreciate it, Your Honor. Thanks. Yeah. So it was five years.

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I got five years paper. I'm still on it.

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Oh, no, no. I've got I already tried that. I was. And they shot you down. No, I was six million dollars. So.

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No. Six million. Like I pay every month. I pay. Sometimes it's two hundred dollars. Sometimes it's nine hundred dollars. But 50.

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But well, but I'm saying when I at three years I put in for it and my probation officer said, look, you know. It's it's the problem is, is he owes this money and based on our policy, if you owe money, we don't recommend you get off early. And so the judge said probation didn't recommend it. Boom.

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And he has an extremely interesting true crime story. So check out the interview. I appreciate you, you know, coming on the channel and telling me your story. You just kind of, you know, we just had a kind of a rundown. And I know we have we have Tyler in common.

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Um, so I taught the, this is funny. I taught the real estate class. Yeah. And you know, the ACE course. Yeah. Yeah. And so what I would do, you know, you get 30 guys show up, 35 guys, maybe they show up and, and which really, um, I mean, you know, it was actually, I taught a great course, but so they would show up and I'd say, listen, you guys, like I, I know, um,

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I know that at least half of you don't want to be here. Right. And I'd say, so I understand right now, I'm going to give you the opportunity to leave. Find me later on, on the compound or before class, or you can wait around for the next 45 minutes and after the class. And we'll talk about how to, how to make sure that you get your certificate. Okay.

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So, you know, and then, so there were, and I'd say this, and I'm not fucking with you enough being, you know, now in the medium, half the class would get to leave. In the low, because there were so many people snitching on each other, they'd stick around. But they wouldn't show up the next time.

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You know, so like they, they come up to me within the next day or two and say, bro, what was up with that? And I go, look, man, you know, like give me, depends on how much, how desperate, how many people really dropped out. I'd say, look, give me like three creamers and two coffees, you know, within the next fucking few weeks. And I'll fill out all your paperwork. I'll sign you in every time.

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I'll fill out your test. That's it. And then what I would do is then I'd say, and I always tell them show up the last day of class to get the certificate. Of course they wouldn't. So I'd ended up having to track all these guys down. but they would pay me, you know?

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So, and I knew where they were, of course, because I know what unit, you know, they'd write down their name, their unit, and then they'd show up and they'd give me the stuff. And so I would have my, my, you know, my locker, which was normally pretty empty was at least for three or four, at least for a couple of months during that, you know, the course it was packed, packed. Right.

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So you do that for four months and then you have about a month between, and then you start the next class and teach it like three times a year. I did that for 10 years, but I also, of course I also wrote, you know, I wrote guys stories and what happened was after I'd been there, let's say, Well, after I went from the medium in the medium, I was just a GED tutor.

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So I'm getting paid, you know, I'm getting like 80 or a hundred bucks, but I don't really buy anything. I don't do anything. You know, I don't do drugs. I drink coffee. I eat what they give me in the chow hall. That's it. So when I went from the, after the three years in the medium, when I was below, that's when I started writing. But I also taught the real estate class.

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That's a lot of money.

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And then I, then the, we got these guys and I got, I got somebody in a Rolling Stone magazine and I got a book deal for that. And then we optioned the book deal. So that was like a little over $6,000. So once again, that's a lot of money.

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No, no. It was a guy named Doug Dodd. I got him a book deal. Well, I got him a book deal with Skyhorse Publishing. I mean, he didn't write the book. I wrote the book. It's a memoir, but I wrote it. Right. And, you know, so it says, you know, Doug Dodd and Matthew Cox. And then got him and him and his buddies into Rolling Stone magazine. We optioned the film rights to that.

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And so what's happened is they've optioned it like three or four times. So what happened was I got one option. And then a few years later, they optioned it again. Got another nice chunk, nice jet. And then I got to the halfway house, got to the halfway house with 400 bucks. The second day I was there, I went and bought $300 worth of clothes at Walmart. I'm not sure I'd ever been in a Walmart.

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Great place to come straight from prison, too.

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Yeah, went to Walmart. Bought that and then – I remember thinking – like I called my buddy and he said, I'll give you a job working at a gym. And I remember thinking, okay, well – and he would pick me up. But I was like, fuck, I got to save money for a car. I got to save money for this. And I hadn't been there a week and my ex – I got a phone. My ex-wife called me.

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She said, hey, listen, I got another check or I got another envelope from that law firm. I said, what law firm? She's the one that sent you a couple of years ago. They, or they've been sending checks every couple of months to continue.

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Get the fuck out of here. I said, open it. She opens it. She goes, yeah, it's like $6,500, $6,400. I was like, yes. So I was able to buy a car, pay for a year's worth of insurance. You know, I was fucking thrilled.

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no no not me oh this is the other cats dude this is his oh okay so it's his story that's options what was his uh what was his crime it was a it was a bunch of clean-cut wrestlers in high school that started doctor shopping and then several of them got got um they got scholarships to other you know other um to college, to different universities.

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And so some of the guys stayed in Florida and kept doctor shopping and they were mailing the pills to them. You know, and honestly, I didn't even want to do the fucking book, but I had written a guy's book, a guy named, did you ever see the movie war dogs? Yeah. Okay. So, you know, F you know, so Jonah Hill plays a guy named Ephraim Deverelli.

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So I, the real Ephraim Deverelli, I wrote his memoir in prison. It was called once a gun runner. And so that got published. I got a deal for that, and that got published. And so when everybody knew I'd written my book, but I hadn't published it. I had a manuscript. I had a literary agent. And then I wrote Ephraim's book, and then everybody knew I'd written it.

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So before it even got published, guys are coming out of the woodwork. Bro, you got to listen to my story. You got to listen to my story. So I'm like, all right, well, what's your story? This one guy, Doug Dodd, he's following me around every time he sees me. Bro, you got to hear my story. I'm like, you don't even have a story, bro. You're like doctor shopping. I can take a rock and hit six.

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I can skim off a fucking five fucking guys here.

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Yeah, he's like, you don't even know. And he's such a jerk off. So I sat down one day and I said, all right, what's the story? And he started telling me the story and I thought, It's not a bad story. I said, the thing is you don't have any publicity. And he's like, Oh, there's an article. There's one artist is one article. Okay. Listen, I said, everybody's got one article.

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I said, so one article in a local shitty newspaper. Okay, fine. And I was like, that's not good enough. I said, here's what I'll do. Here's what I'll do for you. I'll write a synopsis of your story. Basically like an article, right? 6,000, 8,000 words. I'll mail it to a cup to some, um, uh, to some reporters.

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And if I can get one of those reporters to get you into a magazine and that'll give you some publicity, I'll write your story. And he's like, you think you can do that? I'm like, no, I know. I don't think I can do it, but I can try and do it. I mean, I, I said, I do all kinds of, I put effort into all kinds of shit. That's never going to happen.

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So I write this article, I send it to about eight different reporters. I think like four of them, three or four of them got back with me. Like three of them were like, look, man, if you can wait six months to a year, I'll get to this. Like, it's a good story. You wrote a great article here. And I used to, I just call them synopses. Right. But they always say they're articles.

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So to me, an article is published. So, and I'm like, one guy came back and said, listen, I can jump on this right away. And I was okay, well, let's do it. So, He ended up there's a whole thing there. We were it ended up going to Rolling Stone magazine. And Rolling Stone said, let's do it. And the article was supposed to come out. I was supposed to be. It was written from him.

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He and I. And the last minute he told me Rolling Stone didn't want to have my name associated with the article because I was in prison. Now, I later found out that wasn't true. The editor at Rolling Stone magazine told me, bro, your name was never on the article. Like I've never seen, I saw your boy. He just fucked me over. But it's, but listen, when they optioned it, I was a part of the option.

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Now, you know, I, I, I didn't. And at that point that made me realize that life rights were valuable. So when I, we optioned this guy's life rights and I got a little check, you know, not a big check. Like these, they, they optioned it for like 50 grand. I, I, you know, I got a small point, like 15% and after the lawyer and everything, I, but whatever, that's fine. So, um, no, I'm not 15%.

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I think I was seven and a half percent or something. Anyway, the point is clean cells, brother. Yeah, it does. So, well, then what happened was the next guy comes to me, says, bro, I want you to write my story. It was like, I'll write your story, but you have to sign, you have to sign over your, attach your life rights to the story that I'm writing and I own it.

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Now, I'll give you half of whatever I make, but I'm not doing it for free. And if I'm going to put all my money and effort into this, then... I deserve to have something if I can turn it into something. And let's face it right now, you've been locked up for seven years. You've never done shit with your story.

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Right. Well, when I get out, I'm thinking about writing a book. Well, great. Good luck. Let me know how that happened, how that works. And I turn around. Oh, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Right. If you haven't written your story while you were incarcerated, you're not going to write.

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And so I started writing these guys stories, you know, and, um, you know, and so far it's worked out. Like I've gotten out, I've gotten some, there's interest. I don't put a lot of effort into it because I started the YouTube channel and I, you know, and it's taken off. It's done, you know, it's not huge, but it's paying all my bills, which is great. I'm thrilled.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. And when did you start yours?

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Well, you know what's interesting is like literally months before I was getting out, I was thinking to myself like, you know, you're going to rent somebody's spare room. You know, you're going to.

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You know what I'm saying? You're going to write when you can write. You're going to get a job at McDonald's and then maybe you'll get a job selling used cars. And then maybe you'll get a job, you know, whatever you're going to do with you, you know, because I didn't know what YouTube is. I'd never been on YouTube. It just come out like a couple of years before I went into prison.

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And I didn't, I don't think, I don't ever recall having been on it. I've never been. Yeah, I wasn't either. Feel pretty confident. I've never been on YouTube. Certainly didn't really know what it was. I mean, know what it is because you're watching TV and they mention it or something. Right. I don't really know what it is. I didn't know it. We're a little old.

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The term podcast didn't even come into existence until I had been locked up for five years. You know, so didn't know what that was. And so I remember laying in bed thinking, how are you, what are you going to do to survive? I had nowhere to go. I stayed every day in the halfway house. Didn't even try and go anywhere else. Why would I? They take 30%. I can't live anywhere for 30% and they feed me.

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Right. So, you know, does it suck there? Sure. It would have sucked if I had a wife and a kid and I, and, and, you know, somebody out there, you know, who wanted me out there, but nobody did. So, you know, and so I stayed every day, I moved into someone's spare room and I started doing, you know, I fit kind of figured out YouTube slowly, not quickly and resisted and then started doing it.

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And I'm making a living doing something that didn't exist.

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That's insane to me. And I used to joke when these guys were like, what are you gonna do when you get out? I was like, I'm gonna figure out a way to, to make money doing just being me. And they were like, how's that? I said, I don't know. They were like, what do you mean? I said, I'm thinking just write stories about criminals and maybe I can sell books and maybe I can do something like that.

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Like I didn't really know. And then people had told me what a podcast was. Now you gotta do a true podcast. What is that? I don't know what that is. And they would show me an article and I, people tried to explain it. They came in. No, no, it's like a TV. It's like a, it's like a radio show. On your phone. Right. I don't have any idea.

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So the idea that, that I can post four videos a week and basically talk to people that I enjoy talking to, like the truth is I find very seldomly,

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too and i probably shouldn't say this uh it's fine i say all kinds of stupid shit so um the idea that i can talk to a another person and find interest in them for someone who's extremely narcissistic like typically i don't have very much interest in anybody else

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I mean, that's raw, but, but do you see what I'm saying? Like, but I get to talk to guys that I'm interested in. Like I'm sitting here talking to you the whole time. I'm like, right, right. And I'm kicking myself because I'm not asking enough questions, but like, I'm just interested in the story. But if you were an accountant, This would have been a five. This would have been a 10.

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If I had a lot of discipline, maybe a 15 minute interview, probably five to 10. But if I really was disciplined, I could have dragged it out for 15, but that would have been it. And that would have been me talking half the time.

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Listen, I'm going to tell you something. So, you know, the one thing prison definitely taught me was being, to be very honest and, and, and, you know, because, you know, like, let's say borrowing from somebody, you know, or something like that. And I'll give you a story.

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Like, you'll understand it that most people, when we were standing in the room and it happened, everybody was looking at me like, are you insane? I was working at the gym. And, you know, they give you your bad bag lunch when you leave the halfway house in the morning. They give you a little bag with like a with like either a peanut butter and jelly or like a bologna sandwich.

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And you get maybe a bag of chips and little packet of drink mix. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Your little Kool-Aid packet. And so I go. And so one day and I've been there, whatever, a month, two months, and I'm just eating my lunch every day and and I can't leave. You know, I can't leave the halfway house really.

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I mean, I'm sorry that my job, I eventually figured out I could leave, you know, I trick them into, you know, calling and saying, I have to go do this for my job and whatever. But initially I'm still just sitting there. It's a couple months. I'm still scared.

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So I, and keep in mind my boss, the guy that hired me, he'll, he'll cover me for anything, but still, I didn't want to pray. I didn't want to ask him for any favors. So I remember this woman who worked there, her name. Oh God, what was her name? Damn it. let's call her Linda. Um, Linda's going to get lunch and she says, Matt, do you want lunch?

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And I made it kind of like a, like it was a, um, like a game to try and save as much money as I could. Like I'm as cheap as possible. I'm eating every day at the halfway house. It's all I eat. So she, Linda's leaving. No, her name was Leanne. I'm sorry. Leanne is leaving and Leanne's going to get lunch. And Leanne says, uh, Matt, do you want me to pick you up? Uh, something from, um,

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jersey mics let's say so from jersey mics and i went um no i'm okay i have my bag lunches you eat that every day she was like she was why don't you get something and i went i i said because i honestly i don't have any i don't have any money i don't have money to get to be buying lunch it's a luxury i don't have and she was i'll buy it for for you and i looked at her and now keep in mind there's four or five people just looking around they're like yeah you know she's like i'll pay for it it's no big deal and i looked at her and i went

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listen, Leanne, I said, if you, I said, let me explain something. I said,

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If you're offering to buy me lunch and buy me a sandwich and you're going to give me that sandwich and you do not expect that it's reciprocal in any way, that at no time in the future will I be going to get lunch and say, hey, Leanne, let me buy you lunch today, or that you think I'm going to get my paycheck and I'm going to say, hey, here's that $10 for buying me my lunch the other day.

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If you are simply buying me lunch out of the goodness of your own heart and at no time do you ever think, that I'm going to reciprocate in any way. By all means, I'll take a sandwich and a diet Coke. I said, otherwise I'm good. I got my bag lunch and I'm okay. And she went, everybody's looking at me like, Jesus Christ. And she goes, I'm going to get you.

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She goes, I'm going to get you a lunch and it's going to be okay. And you don't owe me. And I go, okay. And that was it. I love it. If you were in, had been in prison, you understand that I'm being clear. I don't want it coming back. I don't owe you shit. Don't ask me.

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Nobody gets to the top of their field and ends up working in a federal prison. No. So, and on top of that, we used to always say that medical was the leading cause of death at Coleman. No question. I mean, they, no question. They would let you walk around with hernias. They would, they would like, listen, I knew guys that went into the medical two, three times complaining of chest pain.

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One day they walked back and died. Boom. Yep.

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They tell them it's, you know, come back Tuesday.

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Yeah. Get ibuprofen on commissary.

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I've never gotten a pillow.

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We would go to the guys in Leathercraft and they'd buy the stuffing to fill teddy bears or whatever. And you'd buy the stuffing from them and you'd make your own pillow and you'd put it in a pillowcase and it

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Well, we'll see. I'm going to keep working at it. It's working so far.

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I didn't know what to expect.

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I hope you liked it. Thank you, see ya. All right, so it's, I'm gonna call you Batman. Yes, sir. All right, so everybody calls you Batman. Well, we have a mutual friend that calls you Rob, but so Batman, everybody. I noticed when you called me, it said Batman.

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Okay, so what happened? Let's start real quick with basically where were you born? Well, I was born here.

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He was just. There's a quote from a guy named Slick Willie Sutton, who was a bank robber. When they asked him like, why do you rob banks? He goes, cause that's where the money is. That's where the money is.

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Is it Kennedy or no? What is it? Is it LaGuardia in New York? Anyway.

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All right. What are the, what are the names of the social media again?

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Well, and I'll leave the description. I'll leave the links in the description box.

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protecting it that you cannot pass that wall you're kind of like the the wall in what separating what west and east germany where at one time like all the walls started coming down right yes yes it came down yeah so 1990 is when i was born and then like literally months after that

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And this is, you're still in college.

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This is high school. Okay.

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You're not realizing what's going to happen as a result of a charge while you're trying to get citizenship.

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What is Durango? Another jail or is it an ICE facility? No, Durango.

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You got to beat this charge so you can get the you can get the ice hold.

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They give you a lock to use until you can get one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah. We call it an open bay.

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What, the Spanish channel? The food channel. Food channel? Okay.

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Right, that you're not eating.

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That's what being a nice guy and taking that charge for your buddy did. I'll bet your buddy, once your buddy realized what was happening to you, I'll bet you he said, you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to go and do the right thing. And I'm going to take the charge that I should have charged because I didn't realize how bad it was going to be for this guy.

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So I'm going to take Armando, the charge Armando took for me. I'm going to do the right thing. Is that what he did? Because he's a good buddy.

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You didn't put money on your books when you were locked up? What about the money for the bond?

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But it's a felony.

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Yeah, I'll take a misdemeanor now.

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So something like 60 or 70% of all the women that are, that come through the coyotes are, are assaulted.

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Are you waiting the whole time? Like they should be here to grab me. Cause I know guys like literally they get bonded out. They're walking out the door, two agents walk up and grab them. Just boom. Hey, put the cuffs on them, walk them out.

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You can go stand in line to use the shower, or you can stand in line to use the phone. But you can't do both.

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Yeah, like, 45 days, I think, was the longest one.

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Like, I was like, what?

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so like that that's i was in the shoe that long but in like a holdover what you were in basically like a holder where it's 23 and one yeah you you get out once a week because you have a shower and a toilet and everything in the shoe you don't get out at all i well where i was we got out once a week but um wow in the holdover i think in the holdover maybe i've done

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I've done a couple months in the holdover where it was, you get out once a day for one hour and you didn't have time. I mean, you could use the, you could shower and take and use the phone, but you just didn't have time to do it. So it's like you had to choose. I'm either going to stay in the line for the shower.

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By the time I'm done with the shower, if I get in the line for the phone, there's not enough time.

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And then there was – I don't understand. How did you go from – how did you go to Canada when they were going to send you to Albania?

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Like, you're going to die when you go back to El Salvador? Straight to that fucking, that fucking supermax, 100,000 man supermax that they built.

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He's got bigger problems, bro.

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Do they go with you on the plane? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

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And you're still going to get on the plane.

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He got here, and he was able to show that if he stayed in his country, he'd be killed. He was able to show that through documentation to the U.S., and the U.S. gave him asylum.

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Okay, so that was Jacob's passport. No. No. That was a copy of your passport. This was mine, yeah, that they confiscated. They confiscated it. Okay, okay. I thought you were showing Jacobs.

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But he went to a temporary one at the.

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So you have to understand, not everybody knows what you're talking. You're talking about the Soviet Union had collapsed. Yes, yes, yes. The wall that was separating what?

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Equity deals. Made a mistake on some paperwork.

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What was the dollar amount on your indictment?

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So you had eight weeks before you had to turn yourself in. What were those eight weeks like for you?

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They embrace it.

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You know what I was thinking about the other night? Is Belfort interviewed his FBI agent that tracked him. We should probably reach out to that guy. Right. Yeah. Come on.

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Oh, no. Definitely. I wouldn't go to trial with the feds.

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If they can't prove it, they're going to get somebody to say it. That's what I'm saying.

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Well, the feds don't – like you said, the feds don't even indict you unless they've got it. That's why you – like in my case, I had state charges. So, you know, knock on the door. I start flushing this paper money. I put like probably two grand in the toilet and flush it. I go to put another few thousand in the toilet. But I guess they shut the water off.

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See, because like when dude asked me for that like 700 grams of heroin or whatever. they were assuming there was drug task force there. They were assuming like there's kilos of dope in this hotel room. So there was organized crime unit, drug task force, Cleveland secret service, Knoxville secret service, KPD, you know, so they, they, so all these bills are just in the toilet now that won't flush.

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So that doesn't look suspicious at all. At that point they start kicking the door in, which, you know, it's like steel reinforced doors cause the, you know, a fucking panic attack. Cause it's like, I was hoping they'd just kick it in and get it over with, arrest me. They're sitting there, boom, boom, boom, boom, you know, for like five minutes. And I don't, I mean, you're in a hotel room.

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What the fuck do you do?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I just sit down, light a cigarette, wait for them to come in. And, you know, obviously they'd throw me down and, you know, all that good stuff. So they arrested me on state charges for the first like three, four months of criminal simulation is what the state charge was until the feds could...

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Criminal simulation is the charge, yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, it's basically just their generic... I mean, you can get criminal simulation. I think it's just... It's like a state charge that's generic for like fraud basically. Oh, okay.

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You never heard that? No.

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But, you know, so I think the original charge was like criminal simulation over $60,000 or something. And then, you know, three months later, you go to court. the state's going to drop your charges. Great. I already knew, you know, knew it was coming. So then of course they've taken me across the street to the federal building, served me an indictment.

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Yeah.

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I already knew that I had a bond source, a bond source hearing on my charges.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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which uh you know what that is like if you're if you're gonna bond out where the money come from yeah you gotta prove it's legitimate and all this which i already knew that gives that's like a sign the feds are gonna indict you because that basically you can't just bond out and get out you've gotta supply the money and then they set up a court date in a week so you can prove it so it gives the feds a week's head start to to serve you the indictment if you do try and bond out so

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but that was it they let me out on pre-trial for a little bit uh sentenced me to 10 months right well you got 10 months but you would you said the actual that at some point the secret they came to you they wanted to give you more time like you initially you were supposed to get more time but the yeah the original uh uh guidelines was i think it was like

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24 to 36 or something like two to three years right um and so the secret service basically came to me uh well let's go back the the dude e that set me up right once i got arrested there he they let him go as an informant right you know what i mean and then he disappeared so he was on the run because like It's complicated, but, like, so the Cleveland secret service.

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Yeah. Fucking.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, they got the laptop with the, I mean, the evidence was in my possession.

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But.

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Yeah, yeah. But also, like, so he went on the run. Like, basically, he cooperated, got me arrested, and then he disappeared.

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um and then like i guess that i was incarcerated at this point but i heard that maybe two three months later he was in knoxville again accidentally fired a gun in his apartment the the kpd went in there accidentally i was yeah the fucking idiot man kpd arrested him after all all this he wanted to be an informant for kpd Knoxville Police Department. He's a professional now. Yeah, apparently.

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So KPD is excited, obviously, like a multi-kilo dealer willing to cooperate, so they let him go again. Of course, he goes on the run again. He just makes promises to the police and tries to disappear, which I don't blame him, whatever. So he was on the run. So when the Secret Service came to me, they were like, listen, this guy that set you up, your co-defendant, he was a co-conspirator on my case,

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They were like, he's on the run now. We're trying to get him. So when he cooperated, the Cleveland Secret Service promised, you know, you get us this guy. We won't press charges on you for the counterfeit. He does that. But then he takes them to Knoxville. So then the Eastern District of Tennessee just indicted him.

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So it was just like he got a deal from the Cleveland Secret Service, but then the Knoxville Secret Service, you know. So anyway, he was a co-defendant on my case. And, you know, the Secret Service basically said, you know, we'll give you cooperation credit if you show us how you made these bills, you know, and confirm everything he already told us.

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make a training video for the secret service for future agents, you know, explain, go through all the evidence and show them. Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And they wanted, you know, to know certain things to look out for and this and that. So, I mean, the secret service said that the bills I was making were the best they've seen in like 25 years. Nice. So they, um, You know, said make a training video for future agents and we'll give you a cooperation credit. So that along with, you know, like admitting guilty. Yeah, yeah. Timely plea.

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Yeah, like admitting fault or whatever it is.

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Yeah, so they basically said if you plead guilty today, we'll keep, you know, plead guilty today and make this training video, confirm everything he told us already.

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you know plead guilty will keep the amount under a hundred thousand dollars which avoids an enhancement because anything over a hundred thousand is an enhancement so they like it was like 96 000 whatever they kept it just under a hundred thousand Um, and, uh, we, they wouldn't charge my wife with anything. So all her charges would be dropped.

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And, you know, with, I knew with looking at like two to three years with the cooperation and that enhancement gone, I'd only be looking at like a year. So of course I'd kill that. You know what I mean? I think they said at that time they were like, we found, uh, $380,000 in Knoxville. You were still finding about $10,000 a week. It's coming in through the banks and this and that.

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So, you know, with that time, I don't know how much time I would have been looking at it. It probably would have been four years because that's another enhancement on this.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. For sure. So, I mean, yeah, that was an offer I could not refuse. Don't charge my wife. Keep it at $100,000. Now I owe $96,000 in restitution, but... You know.

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It is what it is.

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Three years, fed paper. Yeah, I just got out. I was in Lexington. Got out like three months ago. Currently in a sober living house in Knoxville. What are you doing for work now? Well, I'm a printer. Nice. I work at a print shop, vinyl shop. It's called Graphical Warehouse. They're good people. I really got lucky landing that job. I was honest with them.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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In the interview, I told them I just got out of prison. It was counterfeiting.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, it's experience. Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I mean I think it's tempting for people who work – when you're around printers and you know graphic design, there's so many things that you know. Yeah. If you're capable of fraudulently making, you know, birth certificates, money, anything.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I mean, yeah, it's tempting.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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For sure. You know. For sure. And the amount of money you can make is unlimited, really, if you do it right. So it's definitely tempting.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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When I was doing that, that was...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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the most stressful time of my life obviously i think that i mean i'm making u-turns everywhere thinking i'm being followed you know i mean i knew to see there were bolos out there's a couple like pictures that were released on knoxville websites like we'll be looking for this guy for passing a hundred dollar bill you know you're always on on the run thinking you're wanted you know you're living out of hotel rooms yeah dealing with fucking scumbag drug dealers all the time right you know and in the end when you walk back out of prison years later

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Plus, you owe it all back to them on top of that. They strip everything from you anyway. For sure.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right.

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No, I was born in Miami, grew up in Clearwater, Tampa area. I moved to Knoxville, Tennessee probably about eight years ago. Okay. And that's where I caught my case was in Knoxville.

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You know, I had a good childhood for the most part. Kind of got into like drugs and street life at a younger age, you know. But I'd say when I was about 25, I met my ex-wife and, you know, kind of went straight for a while.

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Oh.

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Selling drugs. Oh, okay.

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In high school, after high school. You know, started selling weed. Not really on any, like, big scale. Right. Then the pills kind of hit Tampa area. Right. Oxys. Yeah. And, you know, I was selling lots of oxys and...

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developed a habit to say the least right you know but i was counterfeiting a little bit when i was younger um kind of toyed with it and never on not on like a huge scale but you know i couldn't get the bills perfect but i was selling them and making a little bit of money and then did that for like a year and then stopped

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Like 19, 20. Right.

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Yeah. I mean, even recently I was using, you know, I didn't have like printing presses and you know what I mean? It's all digital nowadays. Like the capability of digital printers has like advanced extremely in the past 10 years. And that's what the Secret Service was like wondering about.

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uh, how I got the bills to look so good with just regular, you know, 200, $300 printers, but I'm a graphic designer. So a lot of it has to do with like breaking the images down and sharpening them on the digital file.

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So we decided to move to Knoxville because my parents moved up in that area. Her mom lived up in North Georgia, so we were just kind of getting out of Florida. And I, you know, got a job in the sign business, was doing good, you know. I mean, I still had a drug habit, but I've always been functioning, you know what I mean? Right. Kept a job and a house and everything. You know, I've got kids, so.

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Um, but at this sign company, I ended up wrecking a truck. So I had a newborn baby. It was like, you know, those late nights tired. I got called into work. Um, I worked like 80 hours that week with a newborn baby at home, like not sleeping. So I was doing a service call in a bucket truck and wrecked the truck. Cause I fell asleep at the wheel. So basically that

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Like, they let me go at that job because of that or whatever reason. And this was, like, two months before our lease was up in our house, too. So I lost my job, didn't have a lot of money saved. So that's kind of what put me back into the counterfeiting thing. I was like, well, I've got two months to figure out a new house and, you know, a way to make money. So I kind of...

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Just said, fuck it, let's go back to this and do it on a larger scale. So within those two months before my lease was up, I basically just stayed at home on the computer 10, 12 hours a day, making these digital images as sharp and clean. So to prevent counterfeiting, you can't scan a picture of a bill or print one.

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Because the printer recognizes that image and it'll print just a little bit of it and then just stop.

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Yeah. Nice. So instead of scanning the pictures, I'd just take a photo and then upload that photo, which kind of got around that security measure that the printers have. Um, and then like with graphic design, I would take that image and break it down to like three or four different images. So, so it would print it.

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So the printer wouldn't recognize the bill because you're, you're taking the background color and having one image. That's just the background color of the bill. And then another image with the serial numbers and treasury seal. And then another image with all the black work.

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I printed three prints for the front of the bill and two prints for the back of the bill. And then I printed the strip and the watermark on the back of the back. So then I could then glue the two pieces together and the strip and watermark would be embedded in them.

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I just printed it. So I was using, and the Secret Service said that this was like a large key to my success was I was using Bible paper to print the bills on.

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Trial and error. Lots of... So, like, I've read The Art of Making Money. Yeah, yeah. And, you know, he was sandwiching, too. What's his name? Art? Art Williams. Williams, yeah, yeah.

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Oh, yeah?

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Yeah, that's what originally gave me the idea to start counterfeiting when I was like 19. I was reading that book. But I knew he sandwiched two pieces together. I think he was using like – Like telephone book paper or newsprint or some kind of other thing.

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See, I think a large portion of his deal was he was trying to find paper that would mark yellow with the counterfeit pen. See, I found kind of a way around that. So, like, the Bible paper was thin enough to sandwich two sheets together and opaque enough to where you couldn't see the strip and watermark through it unless you held it up to the light.

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And for some reason, certain kinds of Bible paper aren't, like, bleached. So if you put it in a black light, it glows that dull purple just like real money. Right. As opposed to like all other papers glow that bright blue like fluorescent color. So basically Bible paper was like perfect. I mean it was opaque. It was thin. It glowed right in a black light. And it didn't mark with a pen though.

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So I would spray it with a matte lacquer spray to create a barrier because counterfeit pens are iodine-based ink. So, like, the iodine in the ink reacts with the starch in the paper. So, by spraying it with lacquer, you create a barrier so there's no chemical reaction between the iodine pen and the paper.

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So, and that helped... Like, it seems like every security feature I beat solved multiple issues. You know what I mean? Which was just... They exponentially got better every time I... So, like, the lacquer spray not only helped with the counterfeit pen, but it also... Gave it that crisp texture, like real thin. You know, if you spray it with lacquer and just take an iron to it real quick.

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And then hold and spray another coat of lacquer from a distance. It would feel like sandpaper. And then you take it and just go on the edge of a table. and it crisped up, and it knocked off that gritty sandpaper feel, but gave it that texture. People would scratch to feel the texture in the ink and stuff.

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um like so within the two months that like my lease was up i got fired i had two months to figure stuff out so within those two months i uh i don't remember exactly how the bible paper came apart it was just kind of trial and error i was looking for thin paper and i basically just one day felt it and was like oh this is thin i tried it and it worked great so um

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Within those two months, I edited the images. I broke them down, zoomed in, got rid of all the gray, fuzzy, sharpened the images. Because it was a photo. Yeah. Which, I mean, high-resolution cameras take pretty good photos already. So each print has to be color-matched. If you just print the picture of a $100 bill, the colors will be off.

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Because in order to get the green on the treasury seal and serial numbers correct, the background color will be off and vice versa.

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Yeah, you're trying, like the paper, I believe they use like just dyed paper, but I'm printing the background color. So you got to match that to money. You know what I mean? Right. So, you know, in those two months, after it took, well, it took more than two months. I started kind of doing it after two months and making money. A buddy of mine that worked at the sign company with me

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So one of my buddies called me and was like, because like I said, I had a drug problem at the time. On top of being broke and no job and having at least a $100, $200 a day heroin habit for kids. But a buddy of mine called me and was like, if you need any dope, call this dude. I'm not going to say his name. A buddy of mine at the sign company. I knew he sold a little bit of weed.

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and uh but I didn't know you know the extent or anything because we were just working together so he got fired from the sign company I got fired so I called him one day and went over to his house to get some some stuff and uh you know, he was way bigger of a drug dealer than I thought. And you know what I mean?

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Like he was dealing in multiple, uh, you know, like meth, heroin, Coke, weed, all sorts of professional. Yeah. So I, and I, I ran it by him. I was like, you know, I'm starting to print some money again. You know what I mean? Maybe you could use it to re up in Atlanta. Cause I, at this point I was nervous about spending on myself. I, I, Always wanted to just sell them to people.

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The bills got progressively better. So like each bill, I'm hand-making. So it's like you're cutting them out. You're spraying it. You're squeegeeing and gluing and then using – I was using holographic green eyeshadow to paint on the color shifting stuff.

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100 right um so like the more you do it the more practice you get in the better they look so in the beginning i i wasn't i knew they looked good they were passable but like i was still nervous about going into stores and shopping you know what i mean so i started giving this guy this drug dealer bills to go to atlanta and uh you know buy drugs so he started doing that um

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And eventually, like, this only lasted probably three or four months. But he got, his house got raided.

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About 20% usually. He was a friend of mine. So if he was $5,000 short on re-upping, I may just give it to him. And he, you know, but then another time he, I give him 10, he'd give me, you know, 2,500 or whatever. It's usually about 20 cents on the dollar, 25 cents. Um, but that only lasted a few months. Um, and I was kind of like perfecting the bills as I was working with him.

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Um, I was giving him a lot of fake twenties. I was doing twenties too at that time. Cause those, the twenties, I wasn't putting strips in or anything. Those I was just printing, um, on regular paper with no strips or watermarks. He was just mixing it in with large sums of money to re-up.

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The hundreds, obviously, people tend to scrutinize more, and those need security features all on beat. But he got arrested. His house got raided. And one of his charges was possession of counterfeit money. So it made me kind of nervous. You know what I mean? You don't know if...

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i i heard that he might be cooperating of course i mean you know you never know um and like i'd say well no this was before the lease was up so after a couple months i was doing it for a couple months and then he got arrested in the i was at my house one day and we we missed the trash you know we didn't bring the trash by the road one morning i know that's how

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the Secret Service tries to get a search warrant. If they suspect you're counterfeiting, they'll go through your trash cans first to look for evidence. So I'd always bag up my trash separately, like all the counterfeiting. I had an office with different color-shifting sprays, ventilation to spray it with lacquer indoors. But I'd bag up all the trash separately.

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But about a week after he got arrested... I noticed the trash truck was, it was like trash picked up on a Monday, and this was like a Wednesday. And it was just parked outside of my house. So I'm like, that's weird. I'm like, oh, can you take, I forgot to bring the trash down. Can you take this? Okay, throw it in.

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Boom, dump it in. It was empty. You could tell it made a big sound. And then they just drove off and like a blacked out suburban drove off after them. So that like spooked me. You know what I mean? I knew there was no counterfeiting evidence in there. But still, you know, you know, you're being watched. It appeared that way.

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So which the Secret Service in Knoxville said, I mean, after I got arrested, I asked them if that was them, if they knew they didn't admit to it. I don't know if they would, though. But right. But anyway, so then my lease was up. So I was like, fuck this. I'm not even getting a new house. I'm going to go all in with this money thing and we'll just stay at hotels, you know.

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So we started living at hotels, you know. and I just met multiple different drug dealers, and usually I'd rip them off, basically. There were a few at the end that I was honest with them about the bills, but usually I'd just go buy heroin from these drug dealers, and I'd get them for $5,000, $10,000 worth of heroin.

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Yeah, doing it, selling it, whatever.

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Oh, yeah, of course. By this point, the first time I actually went in and broke a bill, It was in a Taco Bell, which now I know like you don't go to fast food restaurants because a lot of those places have the safes under there with like bill validators. It's basically like a vending machine safe. Right. That's how they deposit money is you put it through this bill validator.

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And my bills didn't work in that because it detects like infrared and magnetic ink and all these other security features. So, but at the time I didn't know that because I just started breaking them. I went into a Taco Bell at like midnight before they closed and she just held it up. I bought like two tacos. He gave me $95. So I was like, hey.

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I was nervous at first, but it worked without a problem at all.

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Yeah, yeah.

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No, no. Eventually, whatever store, they get a counterfeit bill. At the end of the week, the armored truck will come pick up their deposit, take it to the bank, and then the bank will realize that this money is fake. Right. But then they only have a window of, okay, we got this counterfeit bill within this week of time.

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yeah they don't have any it's not worth it's not worth you'd have to review a week's worth of footage even them you're not getting your hundred bucks back exactly so now i spent six hundred dollars reviewing or a thousand dollars reviewing footage a federal a special agent to sit there for a week reviewing footage so you just hit yeah i felt pretty confident that uh i could just start shopping right at that point um

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So, you know, basically me and my wife. But the problem was finding the Bible paper because I tried to buy it in bulk online. But apparently there's there's only three manufacturers of Bible paper and you have to buy it in the world. There's three and you have to buy it in like giant reams. Right. Which was just not, you know, I didn't want to do that.

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I didn't want a paper trail of, you know, receiving a pallet of Bible paper, you know. Right. I'd go on road trips to Atlanta, Chattanooga. I was in Knoxville. I went to every bookstore. I was Googling Barnes & Noble, Books A Million, going there and just ripping out the blank 4 to 10 to 20 blank pages in the back. In a Bible section at a Barnes & Noble, say there's 100 Bibles with

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you know, four to 10 sheets in each one. I mean, that one bookstore is worth a hundred grand worth of paper. So, uh, but eventually that, you know, eventually I literally ripped out every blank page of every Bible from Atlanta to Cleveland, Ohio, you know? So I started paying, uh, maintenance men at hotel. I went, I was living out of hotels.

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So every day I'd check into a new hotel room and take at least a two, three, four blank pages out of the Bible in the nightstand. Um, And one day we were checking the hotel and there was no Bible there. So I saw the maintenance guy and I was like, hey, let me get the Bible. I was like, you don't keep Bibles in the rooms anymore? He's like, no, we've got boxes of them in the maintenance closet.

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So I was like, let me buy those Bibles. I'm like, I'll give you a gram of dope, a hundred bucks, whatever. Let me get those boxes of Bibles. So we were paying maintenance guys to... you know, just bring us all the Bibles from each hotel. Right. And one of my, the co-conspirator that set me up was going up to Cleveland, Ohio to buy drugs.

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And he was paying maintenance guys at hotels to, you know, I was giving him fake money. He was going up there to buy heroin and come back with heroin and Bible paper. Um, but yeah, I mean, well, The guy that... And what happened? The guy that set me up, I ended up meeting him from just buying... How long did this go on for? About two years.

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Yeah, pretty much. Hopping around. See, like with counterfeiting, you have to move around. You don't want to sit, which that was a mistake of mine, was spending too much in Knoxville. The reason I got caught was because guys set me up up in Cleveland, Ohio.

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But still, just in retrospect, I was spending too much money in Knoxville. I spent like $400,000 in fake bills in Knoxville in the course of like a year and a half.

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No, I've heard of it, and it's William Dafoe, and he was printing money.

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Yeah, I'd like to see that. I know about it. I've been meaning to watch it.

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It was the 80s, I think.

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Yeah.

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Or no, Secret Service always did counterfeit. Always did counterfeit.

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The Secret Service took over all financial crimes.

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Probably got them for like $10,000 over the course of a few weeks. And these have never come back on you? We'll see. A lot of times I'd do that, get about five, ten grand worth, and then just stop calling. And then stop dealing with that guy. Because, you know, you don't know if you buy 500 bucks worth of dope from somebody and it's fake. You call them the next day to buy 500 more dollars.

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You know, you don't know. Some of these guys might have found out and are fucking pissed and trying to set you up.

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So you really have to be able to read people over the phone and kind of, you know... Which, but eventually when people did find out, they weren't even mad because they were, you know, they'd hold them up. These drug dealers would think they were real and then they'd go re-up with it or go shopping and spend them and they always worked.

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So even when they found out, like, oh, these bills were fake, you've been giving me nothing but fake bills, like, they'd laugh because they didn't lose any money, you know what I mean? They'd be like, this white boy just got me 10 grand, like, more power to you, you know what I mean? So this one guy in particular, you know, I came, well, at one point I did rent a little house.

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I had roommates and we were staying in a house for a couple months. So at that point... Where's the wife at this point? She's with me. We're traveling around with the kids in the hotels and shopping. My job was to basically wake up in the morning, print, make say $2,500, go shopping, spend it all, get real money, get a hotel room, tape, paper,

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to do the printing part because the Bible paper is too thin. So you'd have to tape it on a regular piece of printed paper to feed it through. So I'd sit there all night taping Bible paper, you know, have a stack like this for the next morning to print them and then go shopping. And it was just every day was, you know, it was like a job, you know what I mean? It was constantly working on it.

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Well, you're making money. That was the whole goal, you know what I mean? Like I do selling drugs, doing all this stuff to make money. It's like really just cut out the middleman. That was my thinking, you know what I mean? If I can... Find a way to make legitimately good money that passed every time. There's no point in not doing that in my eyes.

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So this one guy went home and he was standing in my driveway.

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And most drug dealers think that counterfeit like I've had a few that found out and I'm like, well, do you still want you want to start buying them from me? And oh, I don't fuck with counterfeit. You know, that's serious. And I'm like, you're. You're selling heroin. You're selling heroin. I got a year in the feds for counterfeiting, hundreds of thousands of dollars.

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You're trafficking heroin interstate with guns on you, and you're worried about counterfeiting.

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Once you get 15 years for an armed heroin conspiracy, I wish you were counterfeited.

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It's like, fuck. They say the recidivism rate of counterfeiting is higher than a heroin addict.

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I believe it. So the guy you said one time you had moved into a place and the guy... Yeah, I pulled in the driveway and he was standing in my driveway. This is a drug dealer. I've been ripping off every day for two months. So I'm thinking like, oh, fuck. This is going to be a problem. You know what I mean? But I was buying the heroin through this girl that was a roommate.

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So, like, I'd go up to people. Like, I was buying stuff from drug dealers. All the addicts I knew, I'd be like, hey, get, you know, help me set up your drug dealer and we'll split it because that way it doesn't fall on me. So, in this case, I was doing that with this girl, but we were living together. So, when it fell on her, I was still there. So...

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But basically, I overheard him saying, like, I'm not mad. I just want to find out where you were getting these from. So I, like, heard that. I just walk in the house. You know, the next day I go up to her. I'm like, give me that dude's number. So I call him and I'm like, I'm the guy you're looking for. You know what I mean?

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Let's meet up and we can talk in person. So I meet up with him. And, of course, see all these drug dealers, when they do find out the bills are fake, they're like, I want $2 million worth in a week. Yeah. And they don't realize, like, I'm not just photocopying these. Each one, you're cutting them out, spraying them. This is labor intensive. Exactly. I mean, you're... It takes probably

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I mean, I got it down to where I could make a $100 bill in probably 10 minutes. But still, I mean, if you factor a million dollars worth, that's going to take months of cutting, spraying, letting it dry.

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Well, and that's the other thing. Like, I tried to keep everything under $10,000 because that's the other thing. I was printing the 96 Series 100. So I figured it'd be kind of weird to go buy... four kilos of heroin with all 96 series hundreds. That kind of caused suspicion.

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It said in my paperwork that that was the issue. Obviously, the paper. I'd make a road trip to say Chattanooga, hit up four different bookstores, Walmarts, get all the Bible paper in the whole fucking city, and it'd be enough to make $100,000 worth, but then you have to make it, spend it, you know what I mean? So it was a constant, like I said, it was a job.

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You'd go to one city, collect the Bible paper in a couple days, then spend the next couple of days, you know, printing and making bills. And then the next couple of days shopping. So I'd go to different cities for a week at a time to, you know, pass, you know, acquire the materials, make them and then, and then pass them.

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Oh yeah. I was like, man, it doesn't work like that. I was like, you know, if you want, say when you're going to Cleveland to re-up, you know, I'll sell you $10,000 for $2,500. You know what I mean? So he started doing that. And he'd have his real cash in there too, but he was getting a discount on his heroin because basically $10,000 or $15,000 of the $1,000 he was buying at a 25% rate. Right.

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But eventually that, that guy specifically was the one that set me up and he got, uh, so one time he was supposed to go up to Cleveland and I was supposed to go with him. So like he was going to re-up and I was going to, you know, bust bills. I would go around shopping. Um, and I ended up getting arrested on, I think it was like a failure to appear, some little petty thing.

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I went to jail, like bonded out the next day. But In that time, I guess he just went to Cleveland without me.

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so I got out and one of his little runner girls that was selling dope for him told me like she said you know he told me not to tell anybody but he's in jail up in Cleveland so I was like he told you not to tell anybody I'm like that's a red flag you know what I mean so and that's yeah towards that part we ended up

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renting a house together as well um and he was selling dough he was like the trap house with me in the back room with ventilation fans right blowing lacquer out the windows and making money um so i went to that house she she informed me he's in jail up in cleveland he told me not to tell you I was like, you don't, you know. Well, I'm getting my stuff and getting the fuck out of here then.

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So, you know, we get all the printers, computers, ventilation fans, all this stuff, and go get a hotel room. And, you know, there's a lot of information you find out in discovery. So, like, at the time, I was just thinking, okay, he's probably cooperating.

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So, like, two days later, I'm in this hotel. And he calls me. And he's like, hey, man, I got that Bible paper. Let's meet up. And I was like, no, man.

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The first thing. That's the first thing you say is because, you know, you don't want people assuming that you're cooperating.

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Exactly. Exactly. I'm no dummy. You know what I mean? I've been doing this a minute. So... Basically, he's like, oh, let's meet up. I got this Bible paper. And I was like, no. I was like, I'm just going to live out of hotels for a while again. I think our relationship is over. You know what I mean? And he was like, why? What do you mean?

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And I was like, first of all, you're acting fucking sketchy, bro. You got arrested. You didn't tell me. I'm like, what are you doing, bro? I'm like, even if you didn't cooperate in reality, I still don't trust you anymore. We're done. And he gave me this story like, oh... Yeah, I did get arrested, but they didn't find anything. Because he had a stolen car. He bought a car with a title.

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It ended up being stolen, and I knew that. I told him. He was like, I bought this 2010 Charger for $500 in an 8-ball. I'm like, bro, that's stolen. Obviously stolen. He's like, I've got the title. It's not. We're good. I'm like, whatever, bro. It's stolen. I guarantee you bought it from some junkies for $500, bro. It's stolen. So he was saying, oh, that car was stolen.

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He was like, you were right, man. That car was stolen. He's like, but that's the only reason I got arrested. So I had to use that money to the money I was going to re-up with to bond out. So I couldn't re-up. So I'm back in Knoxville. Let's meet up. And I was like, no, again, I'm like, bro, it's not happening. You know what I mean? He was like, well, well, can you?

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He was trying to get me to get him a kilo of heroin through some other people I knew. And he knows I don't like. I mean, I dibble and dab with drugs, but I'm not selling kilos on the phone. He's like, get me 700 grams of heroin on the phone. I'm like, what are you doing, bro? So...

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needless to say i just hung up once i asked for that i was like man you're out of your mind and i specifically was like the feds are listening yeah so i was like you're the drug dealer why are you asking me for drugs you are the drug dealer i'm just i'm just some junkie remember so bye you know hang up the phone and uh well sure enough they gps pinged my phone to the location of where the hotel was and just even talking to him is what led to my arrest

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So I was staying in a hotel room with my wife at the time and this other chick, Dylan, who was selling drugs for these Detroit people. But anyway, so... We woke up in the morning, and I was going to start printing. I think one of the Detroit guys wanted like six grand, I think, or something. He put in like an order, so I was going to make six grand. They went shopping. I'm in there.

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I start cutting paper, spraying, printing all this. My wife and Dylan leave to go shopping. That's all I know. About 15 minutes later, I get a knock on the door. So I looked through the peephole and it's just black. Somebody's put it. So my first instinct was like, oh, that, you know, the Detroit people that are selling dope out of this room, somebody's probably trying to rob them or something.

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Because I was thinking the police would just kick down the door. Like, I didn't think they'd put, you know what I mean, put a thumb over it. So I was like, you know, go away. Nobody's here. You know what I mean? And I knock again, look, you know, black thumb over the people, look out the window and I see just the line of Knox County sheriffs. I was like, that's it. You know what I mean?

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So I start trying to flush, flush this paper money. And I didn't at the time I was, I was in the process of making it. So it was all one sided. I hadn't glued it together yet. So technically that's not illegal because you're allowed to print money as long as it's black and white. Well, it was 50% smaller, 150% bigger, black and white or one sided.

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So you can print money all day long as long as it's one-sided.

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Well, the problem was the computer – because all my bills had different serial numbers. So each file on this computer that could then link me to every serial number that I produced, which was the evidence that it wasn't – I didn't get possession of anything, but they got the laptop.

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Did Meach cooperate? Meach took a picture with Rick Ross. Rick and 50 have had a long-standing beef. 50 says that he's coming out with a documentary with Tam and exposed the big Meach. Matt, you're going to get a crash course today in the history of BMF, the Black Mafia family. Do you know who that is by any chance?

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So they cut it down to at least six or so.

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He was the one that was caught on wiretaps. He was the one that really sank the ship, so to speak, as far as him and Meech. Meech wasn't caught on wiretaps. A lot of people even said Meech probably could have fought that case and won. But ultimately, you're kind of leaving your brother to take the fall for the whole thing. And so they both went down.

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And that's that's kind of what happened here. See, originally before this, the guy, the agent that took down the BMF operation was a guy named Jack Harvey. And there was some other players in the Atlanta area. One of them was named Terry White. I don't know the specifics of what he got Tammy involved in, but Tammy and Terry were together. They were sleeping together. Tammy gets around.

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She gets it in. An FBI agent. No, no, no. Tammy is the handler. Remember for Meeks that handles his affairs and stuff on the outside. And who's she banging? This guy does a drug trafficker named Terry White.

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He's another high end trafficker. Sorry. He is, uh, they're together and she turns him in.

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to agent harvey because she says that he got her jammed up at some stuff with the drug trade by using her bank accounts for some houses or something like that i don't know the specifics of the the housing deal that had going on but it was something where he used her money her name to put her name on some houses but basically it was an association with the running drugs that he was in

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So she cooperates with agent Harvey and I think she got $55,000 for her cooperation in that he paid her. It was a successful, whatever. Terry goes to jail. She gets that money. Harvey is basically done at this point. He retires. He just took down the BMF. You know, he's, he's riding off into the sunset. Right.

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Tammy at that point is done, but when Agent Cromer, who we spoke of earlier, he sees her name in the paperwork that she helped do that. So he contacts her, and in the affidavit that Pete sent me, or the transcript that Pete sent me, he goes to her and says, hey, we would like you to work for us. You've done an excellent job up under Jack Harvey.

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We want you to target mid- to high-level Hispanic drug dealers. And she goes, okay, what about maybe getting Meech a time cut? And in this report, he says, well, we'll have to look into that. He doesn't say, and I don't even think Meech told her to ask. This was just a spur of the moment conversation between the two. Now she knows Meech. She's known Meech for a while. She's dealt with him.

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So she's probably doing that just to see if she can get, you know, a time cut for him. See what he says. He never even says, yeah, I'll do that. He said, we'll have to look into that. Meech is not someone they want to let out of jail. They spent so much time putting his ass in jail.

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I just talked about that with Gene when we talked. I asked, like, what was the domino that fell in the mob? And he was saying, Sammy, because he was like, he said, that's the biggest PR stunt by the government ever. Sammy done 19 murders and he walked. He done a few years in prison for that stuff. For God, I think it was like four or five. But he walked off 19 murders like you get.

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Correct. So that basically they, they created what was called the black mafia family. Um, and from 89 to about 2005, they may roughly about $270 million. And that could be, you know, it could be more, it could be less. Nobody will really know the actual number, but they, they were, they were getting it in as the kids. Um, They were arrested in 2005 for cocaine trafficking and money laundering.

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That's why most people ask for things in writing.

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And in 2007, both Meach and Terry, like you said, agreed to 30-year sentences. And there's a lot of other people that was involved in this. I'm not saying these are the only two. I'm trying to keep this streamlined to the issue here of did Meach cooperate. There's so many different paths you can tailor off on.

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Right, and that's the big caveat here is that what I think, and we got more to dive into here, but what I think happened ultimately is that Tammy, it's not unreasonable to think Meech knew Fidel from when he first got locked up while he was in county. He had knew Cuffee for years prior, and he's now known Tammy and trusted her enough to do the life rights.

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Cuffee and Fidel do wind up doing a drug deal. So it's not unreasonable to assume that Meech somehow put that in motion. And everybody wants to say, well, you know, he ratted on him, whatever. That don't mean he's a rat. It means he's a fucking drug trafficker. That's what he's in jail for. He does what he does. He put two players in contact with each other.

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Maybe he was supposed to get money, whatever. The point of that is, and I drive that home, is because that's not why Cuffee was arrested. He was arrested for something completely different that we'll get into.

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They just found out about all this because when everything started crumbling down, Cuffee's lawyer filed a motion and she seemed to where originally Tammy was saying that Meech knew about all this. They knew about the cooperation that he wanted a time cut. Then Cuffy's lawyer drops the bombshell that they're having the affair.

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And so then that says Tammy into a panic mode because she knows Meech has no fucking idea. This was going on. Her life was being threatened, all types of shit. And then eventually, after everything starts to come out, she goes to Meech in prison, tells him what happened, and Meech tells her basically, and it's in the indictment or in the report, it says, look, keep my name out of this shit.

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Now, that's not saying the way when Cuffee calls people from prison and he's got a number of interviews online, he makes it seem like he was like, you know, just make sure you keep my name off the paperwork. I think what he said. Right. He said, keep my name out of this shit. Probably because if he did help facilitate this drug deal. He's like, look, I'm in prison doing a 30 piece.

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So at the time he was doing a 30 piece, I get hit with this. It's probably going to be another 20 years. Like keep my name out of this shit. I don't, you know, whatever you're doing, I don't want to be, I don't want my name anywhere in it. Whatever deers you're cutting on the outside. I don't want to be anywhere in it. Cause he's about to get more time.

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He's probably going to die in prison at that point.

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I might mention something and not dive deep into it just because I don't want to get off from the path, but They were sent to prison. Meach went to Federal Correction Institute Sheridan, which I believe is in Oregon. I don't know where Terry went. Well, I guess you were in with him for a little bit. But Terry was released in 2020 when COVID happened. He was medically released.

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And that's how that's how easy it can happen. Now, per this indictment, Cuffee and Suarez talk on the phone regularly through 2012. They even had their phone bugged at one point, because what's ironic about this is Tammy didn't tell Agent Cowan that this was going on, obviously. She's getting paid. She's getting kicked back. She's getting banged. She's good.

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She thinks she's kind of protected in the sense of she's got the DEA agent where he wants it. Right. Suarez calls Tammy's phone while she's with agent Cromer.

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asking hey i'm trying to get in touch with comfy what's going on so cromer hears it and he's like keep it going keep it going he's he's he's finally going to be able to get something to use to justify you know paying her all this fucking money right so he starts putting that emotions like all right keep it going keep it going now march of 2015 like i said that's when comfy's lawyer uh

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Got the tape that Tammy and the DEA agent Cromer were having the affair. Now, that opens up a whole can of worms because you're not supposed to be sleeping with the informant. Then that opens up other investigations, like other people can come up for retrials. I mean, it's not good when that comes out.

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Yeah, and like I said, she was getting the payouts. I think she got around 200 grand, but there was no results given up until this point. Now, there's another lady. Tammy in this indictment is listed as CS1, which is Confidential Source 1. There's another one listed as CS2, which is Confidential Source 2. We don't know who that is. We just know it's a female.

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In some of these reports, CS2 was getting the results.

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and cs1 who is tammy was getting the payments for it so i don't know if on the paperwork you know agent cromer's putting that she got the results to keep this whole thing going but two was doing all the work one who was tammy cs1 who is tammy is getting the the kickback for it so it's that's another dynamic of where shit's going on a little shady on the dea side of things

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Like I said, Meech set up the meeting between Suarez and Cuffee from prison. This is obviously for monetary gain. Who knows if that happened? There's not any dead set proof that that happened, but I would say more than likely if he knew them all, they had to get connected somehow or another. Fidel and Cuffee did not know each other prior to this. Somebody put them in contact with each other.

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You would be reasoned to think it was probably Meech or Tammy through Meech somehow, someway. Now, Tammy at this time is also dealing with Cuffee for the BMF business deal rights. They're trying to put something in play to do a documentary or to do a movie. So they have a relationship, you know, that's outside of the trafficking game, so to speak.

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And I think from what I read, he even asked her, like, do you know anybody that can move Prada? Now, maybe that was how that whole thing originated. Maybe somehow she asked Meech and Meech was like, holler at Fidel. You know, I don't know. But Cuffee, by all accounts, seems like a guy that wasn't on Meech's level. I don't know 100% about everything he was operating with in St.

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That was his, I guess, I don't know what you apply for for that. But during that, he got released. then Meech was released towards the end of last year. And he's, I think he's like on the halfway house type of situation. He'll be fully released January of next year. I think is when his full release will be. Now there's a show that is being done by 50 cent and it's on the stars network.

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Louis, but it doesn't sound like he was on Meech's level. Suarez reached out to Tammy to check on Meech. I get because they knew each other to see how she was doing. He knew she was still in contact. And then at pretty soon they start doing the deals. Now, like I said, when they're talking on the phone, the phone gets bugged. They know everything is happening. They already know.

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Now, first, Tammy testifies, like I said, that Meech set it up to get a time cut. That was in the very first, but then she comes back and she recants all that after it comes out that she was having an affair with agent Chrome. She backs out of, she backs out of all that. Let me see here. Cuffy and Suarez, she even said that she never told the DEA that Meech was involved in any facet.

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She never gave any direct and she was never given any direction to do so. Now, when all this starts to come out, she panics. Like I said, she's according to her, she's getting threats on her life and all kind of other stuff. And that's like I said, when she goes to Meech. To me, that is very key when he says, keep my name out of this. And I know people gloss over that.

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Kofi's trying to spin it as he wants his name off the paperwork. But he would have no control if his name is on that paperwork.

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And the problem here, too, is if he does say, all right, we're going to do this up, we're going to set it up for me to get a time reduction, the fact that the shit fell apart, like you mentioned it earlier, I don't know what it was, but he still held up his end of the deal. So he would still get the time cut.

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Now he might have to fight for it and file some of the papers you were talking about, which he could say, you know what? If I do that, everybody's going to know.

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Yeah. You would just kind of take it on the chin at that point because you're ruining what your, your legacy is built on of, of not folding and not ratting or whatever. So now CSI one is, uh, being treated at this point very differently by everybody else.

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She's being looked at with a lot of different eyes, especially, I don't know what the dynamic is of her and Meech at this point, because if she goes and tells Meech

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that she's involved in all this he's probably like very much wanting to cut ties with her and any of them at this point comfy says that he sent me certified mail in jail and he's like man i've known this dude for 23 years and he didn't even respond and i know he got it because he sent certified mail who the fuck would respond to anything having to do with setting up a drug transaction i don't blame each and all for not responding to that

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I mean, like, I mean, I don't know what was in it, but it's, he, he says it was like, he sent him paperwork saying, Hey, did you know your name is in this about me getting set up for a drug bust? Like I wouldn't respond to that at all. Meech is not a dummy by any stretch of the imagination. So I don't, he's trying to use that as a way of saying, you know, he, he didn't respond because he's guilty.

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This isn't Facebook where people just reply to everything like that. Right. There's some shit you just don't reply to. So the, the bigger deal here is comfy. finally gets linked up to Suarez. There's a whole nother deal where he set up with this, he was supposed to meet Suarez to get, I think it was like two keys a blow.

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Something happened where that got lost and he didn't even have any money to buy it. He then wants to get more keys from Suarez. And that dynamic there is starting to fall apart. So even if it was supposed to be them two, that kind of dies on the vine. CS2, who I'm guessing is in the loop here and knows all these guys, she introduces Cuffy to a man named Martinez to do a drug deal.

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Unbeknownst to Cuffy, Martinez is an undercover cop.

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That is why Cuffy went to jail. It had nothing to do with Suarez or anybody that Meech may or may not have put him in contact with. Nothing at all. What I think happened here is I think Tammy got into a relationship with his DEA agent.

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They had to come up with some sort of reasoning of why she was getting paid, why she was getting these kickbacks, and what better name to throw around because people know she is in touch with Meech than say, oh, well, Meech is helping. So they go, oh, well, you got his involvement. Run him up. Do whatever you want to do. That's what you got to do.

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Now 50 has got a lot of shows. He done power. Power was a huge success. He split power off and, into like four different shows. Like every character from Power, he split off and put their own shows. He's really a genius. Yes. Spinoff. Yeah, spinoffs. So you took one show, you ended it, but you made four more shows with all the characters.

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And what I think is she was using his name without his knowledge because he did not benefit in any way from any of this. Right. He's not in the paperwork in any way of any of this. I think she was using her, his name. Cause it's not, look, she's obviously getting what she can from these drugs.

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The other guy, the first guy, Terry white, when he got her in any kind of hot water, she sold him up the river really quick. Right. She's obviously not the most trustworthy person at this point. Beach finally responded. He put out a video the other day in response to all this. And it's on Instagram or if anybody Googled it, you can see it where he said like, I never told it. I never folded.

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I never read it. You know, death before dishonor. And I know that's not a very common thing, especially in today's time, but I do believe to him it is.

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Yeah. I mean, you don't do 20 years to get five knocked off. Right. Unless there's a situation where you want to get out and see some, well, you might.

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You might. But I think somebody like him is not going to do that. Unless there's a situation where you're scrumming, you want to get out and see somebody before they die or a close family. That's the only reason I can think. You're not going to do all that time, you know, build your brand on that. Yeah. And for just a few years.

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And that's the thing is he tried to get out as well on the medical situation like Terry, but the warden even said like he still carried himself as a kingpin. He had charges with cell phones. He had charges with drugs that she didn't think he had shed any of the images that put him in prison. So that's why they weren't letting him out.

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And as I mentioned earlier, there was some, the weight guidelines changed and there was, it knocked him from a 38 to a 36 and, which is what knocked his time down. I don't really know what that means. That's what Pete said.

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When you say weight, you mean the amount of product they busted him with?

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That's what people really need to key in. The timelines are key in this because they don't add up from what, Cuffee is trying to say because Meech hooked up Suarez and Cuffee so they could deal with one another around September of 2011. How he did that, I don't know.

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It's not really important to the case or the matter which we're discussing, which is did Meech cooperate through third party, which I believe that answer is no. So once they get hooked up, there's a transcript to where she testified that she did not enter into a 2009 cooperation agreement with the inspection of benefit.

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Like, he continued the character from one part, he'd done an origin character from another part, then he'd give Tommy, the white guy, his own series. I mean, he's really smart when it comes to that kind of stuff. At some point in time in there, 50, I don't know who he talked with to get the rights to this, and she's an intricate part of this story, but her name is Tammy Cowan.

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That's the one that we were talking about earlier when she had Terry White, which that one was ran by Jack Harvey, the guy that put all the BMF people in jail. But once she started, once she got out of that, once Harvey retired and she started getting with Cromer, then, like I said earlier, she began, started getting payments. So that cancels out any third party cooperation immediately.

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Because like what we said, when you start getting payments, you can't get, you can't get both. It's one or the other. You can get paid to be a cooperator or you can get some time cut. So the story you alluded to earlier really proves the point is when she was saying, look, she can't get paid, but she can get his time cut.

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And in 2009, when they put Terry wide away, I think, like I said, it was around $55,000 that she got. Then she was contacted later to come back to doing all this. Tammy's really like one of the most evil players in this whole thing.

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I like to be able to get those insights to go along with this. And that's really what everybody is gravitating towards now because Cuffee's in jail. He's in jail. He's sentenced. And as his lawyer is trying to fight this thing, he's getting these things with that mention. And what I think ultimately happened here is Tammy Hughes meets his name without his knowledge.

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to try to cover up the fact that she wasn't really producing any results for Cromer. And then when it got put up, Cromer even had to take the stand with all this, and he pled the fifth, of course. I mean, in truth, you know, he should have been brought up on charges for doing all this.

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I mean, if he's giving her all this money and she's not producing anything, you know, what's really, what is she really doing other than getting paid to be a mistress?

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If you do does a TV series called BMF, the guy that plays Big Meech is Little Meech. Big Meech is actual real life son. And the, the series, I actually need to watch it. I've never watched it. I need to watch it, but it's a pretty good series from what I hear. All things are, you know, positive from what I hear about it.

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And even with the situation with Cuffy, Tammy didn't get Cuffy jammed up. It was CS2, whom we don't know the identification of, that told Cuffy, hey, you need a guy. I'll hook you up with Martinez. And Martinez just happened to be an undercover cop. Right. Which is why he got arrested. So that's CS2's doing to get him arrested there. That's not even CS1 to begin with.

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But I think Cuffee is getting these excerpts from these things from his lawyer, and he's trying to gravitate to anything he can do to maybe try to help get him out. I don't know exactly his mode of thinking, but when you step back from this and you look at it logically, you can see that at the very worst, Meech helped set up the connection between Fidel Suarez and Cuffee because he did know both.

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He had known both for a while, and he knew both to be in the trafficking game. So that is probably accurate. The statute of limitations is now gone on that. It's been over 15-something years. So even if he come out tomorrow and said it, which I don't think he would, he wouldn't admit it, but even if he come out tomorrow and said it, they can't do anything to him about it. Right.

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And that kind of brings us to where we are now. The backlash of 50 saying this is 50 does this to everybody. If he don't like you, he annihilates you through social media. Like he didn't like Ja Rule and he would always clown Ja Rule. I think he wound up buying Murder Inc. 's whole catalog.

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One time Ja Rule put a concert on somewhere and the tickets were on Groupon and he bought all the tickets that they had for sale just so nobody would show up. Like he is the ultimate troll. Yes. Oh, it's horrible. It is. I mean, imagine like, he's probably excited. He's like, oh, the show's sold out. And then he goes on. He's like, nobody there. Unless people got the tickets before 50 got them.

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There might be, it might've been a few people there.

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And that is also what I've been thinking about, because from what that text that Little Meech sent 50, which 50 posted, was that Ross give his pop some money to keep him afloat. Now, if 50 is benefiting from this BMF series, why wasn't 50 giving him the money? The concert is supposed to be a benefit for Meech to get all these people there. Now, I'm not 100% sure on this.

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Southwest T, really?

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I've heard that a lot of acts are now pulling out of the concert. I think I talked to Pete this morning. He said he heard the concert was completely canceled because of everything that's come on. But this opens up the door...

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for 50 Cent to be sued heavily by Meech if he would do that because now with you bringing out these allegations, if they turn out to be not true and that he didn't have anything to do with it, you've now damaged this man's reputation that he's built. You've now cost him financial gain that he was going to get off this concert.

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50's really playing a dangerous game with this one because if he don't know for sure it was true, then there could be ramifications for that.

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And so when me to get us out of jail, you think there's going to be this kind of, I guess, partnership or whatever, if you have between him and 50 and seemingly on the surface in the beginning, it was, they had pictures together on Instagram. Um, things were, were going well, but, Meach took a picture with Rick Ross. Now, Rick Ross is another rapper. You know who Rick Ross is?

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Yeah, 100%.

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You know, he couldn't really, Ja Rule didn't really have a legacy. That was just more or less like a rat beef between him and Ja Rule, but this is different. And what's interesting to me is if he knew, he obviously had to know Tammy. There's no way you're telling me you just found out about all this after you've seen him taking a picture with Rick Ross. You had to know all this anyway. Right.

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You didn't see a picture with Rick and then start investigating and find all this out quick. All this come out within the last seven to 10 days. I don't know when you're putting this out, but within very recently. So that means that 50 had to know about this alleged cooperation.

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He still put forth a production of a TV series, highlighting his life, using his son benefiting great monetarily off of it. And now that Meech took a picture with somebody that you hate and have hated for a long time, now all of a sudden he's a rat. That is where I have the biggest issue with this. It's okay that he did it if you're making money off of him and nobody knows it.

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But the second he does something that you don't like, now he's a rat. You don't need to deal with him.

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My phone's been going off for the last 48 hours, which is great. He gives good information. He highlights the parts in the transcripts to send me. And I probably still didn't do it as good as he did because he broke it down really well on my case.

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Some of the things that we found out after me and him done our show, which come out earlier this week, was that the identification of CS2 was another woman. We didn't know that. We still don't know who it is. That's hidden. You can't find that out.

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Okay. I got to check as we move along. Rick and 50 have had a long standing beef. Rick Ross, and I like Rick's music, but he portrays this drug dealer, pusher, trafficker type thing. And he used to be a corrections officer. I got found out years ago. So that kind of damages the reputation a little bit. But there's no love lost between those two.

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And the dynamic now is why Tammy's even entertaining, talking with 50 and doing all this, is now that Meech is out, he wants those life rights back. And Tammy owns them. Or at least I think Tammy owns them. I don't know who owns them, but at one point in time, Tammy was handling the business of it. 50 may very well own them now, and that's what we were talking about earlier.

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If 50 bought the life rights from Tammy to be able to do BMS, Essentially, he's got a big head start over Meech of what can be done with that name. Now, Meech can still do his own thing about his own name, but as far as using that BMF, he's going to be very limited now of what he can do to fight this. I don't know who has the life rights specifically. I've not found that out.

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I don't think Pete has either. But if 50 has them... it's going to be a much more difficult for me to fight this because he essentially holds the key to the whole brand that he built and the, the empire that he built that eventually did wind up coming down.

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And how, I mean, like, Ed 50 has always been that way. Like, he's always been petty to a certain degree. But that is just extra. Like, if you're doing this guy's TV show, you're employing his son. Like I said, I haven't watched it from what I understand. Everybody seems to enjoy the show. And because he took a picture with a guy you don't like, you're canceling all that shit. Yeah, come on, man.

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But my biggest issue with that is, like I said earlier, he knew all the stuff about the alleged cooperation. He probably knows the truth. He's been in that game. He's read documents. I mean, he knows when somebody cooperated and when they didn't. He knows if somebody gets out early. He's not from that life and that area. Yeah. Right. I don't mean geographic area.

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I mean, just like that area of, you know, enterprise, what they do. He was, you know, doing that in New York. He probably knew it was all BS, but now if I'm going to end this BMF show with him, What do I have to replace it monetarily? I'm going to get Tammy to come over here and do a tell-all documentary about what Meech did, why he was locked up.

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You replace one cash cow with another, although I think the BMF series would have had more longevity. You've still got now something coming that's going to draw interest to keep the fans watching what you're doing. And then you still paint Meech in a bad light.

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Who knows? I think she got herself caught up in the stuff that was so dynamic that she was worried about her life because she's got all these people. She's essentially turned in Terry white. She's got coffee in jail because she kind of pushed him to CS to put him in contact with Martinez. Now she's got meats.

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When a photo surfaces online of Meech and Rick together, 50 goes berserk, he posts a picture of them two together calling Meech a rat and all this. He posts screenshots of little Meech contacting him and saying, man, I don't understand what this is all about. Ross was just giving my pop some money until season three starts. You know me. You know, we ain't got no beef or whatever.

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It's not really bigger anymore because she almost got him jammed up while in prison with a whole nother drug case by doing that. And I mean, like, When you're in jail, it's very hard to have a candid conversation. Unless you're just paying all people to get a room that's not bugged, it's very hard to have a candid conversation in jail to discuss anything.

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The only way you can get around it is if that's your lawyer and that wasn't his lawyer. Every phone conversation you have is tapped. Every letter is read, especially with somebody like him. You don't have the privacy to sit down and facilitate a long-term drug deal plan. It's not something that happens. Yeah.

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And, and you would know better than any, what you said a minute ago about the movies being made. I always tell people there's two guys that if there's movies aren't made about their life, then it's very difficult to get a movie made. And that's you and Michael Dowd.

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And you know, you're more a series.

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It's a long process, man. Like you said, I hear people all the time say this should be a movie and all that. And I'm like, look, the guys that I know, the stories that they have, theirs isn't on a movie screen by now. Like I've got no faith. And some of the things that come out are shit, complete shit.

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And unless they're paying like a, I don't know if Leonardo DiCaprio would be the best choice since he's already done catch me if you can, but unless they're paying like a high named valued actor to pay you, I don't think they would need that much money. They could probably shoot your movie for 10 million, maybe 20 million at best.

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You're not blowing shit up and you know, all this crazy stuff. You're just, you're scamming people. Yeah. You need an empty bank and you can film a lot of stuff.

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But you do need a main character with charisma to, to match yours. And that would be the, it's going to be hard.

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You know, I'm proud of you. You know, a lot more people involved in this story than we did when we last covered our, our Diddy story, which I don't know what constitute is going viral these days, but that almost got a million views. So that's pretty good.

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And 50 responds back. What season three? So basically he said he's canceling the whole damn show at this point. And I believe he would, I believe he would sacrifice the money to prove a point. Cause he's got other shit lined up.

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You didn't know a lot of people in the Diddy. And Diddy has come out swinging with $100 million lawsuit to NBC. Oh. Who owns Peacock, NBC?

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$100 million lawsuit to them, a $50 million lawsuit to Courtney Burgess, Ariel, I don't know her last name, the lawyer, and News Nation.

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Now, Quincy, you're talking about? Yeah. Now, this is Diddy himself from jail. So I don't know what's going to be coming these things and, you know, what's going to happen with them. We'll kind of have to keep an eye on that. But, you know, you and I are, I'm sure from this video, we're going to be called uneducated country boys that are culture vultures.

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Gene was the first mobster I've had on in a while. Not that it was on purpose, but I've kind of had a big gap in the organized crime guys.

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Yeah, he's already opened up a huge recording studio in Shreveport, Louisiana. Like he's got other things in the works. So it's not it's not going to it's going to hurt them a lot more than it'll hurt him. And the point of that photo between him and Ross was they were going to do a welcome home concert for Big Beach and a bunch of high profile hip hop artists were going to be there.

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It's entertaining. The man does numbers.

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I knew that was going to do good for you because the video we did about the Gene and Joey beef originally and Michael Francis beef, that got 200,000 views. Just me and you talking.

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So I knew when Gene come on there, it was going to do enough. You can see why people do gravitate to this mob genre. And this kind of stuff lends itself, what we've talked about today, lends itself to that too because they modeled themselves a lot after like, you know, I mean, black mafia family. Right. There's a lot of parallels.

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The hip-hop community has always embraced movies like Scarface and Goodfellas. You talk about Irv Gotti, who just recently passed away, but he was behind Murder, Inc. Murder, Inc. was a group facilitated of mobsters that went around killing people. All of Ja Rule's music videos are in the late 90s when he was real popular, early 2000s.

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they were excerpts and re I guess, remakes of famous movies, like scenes of it were from movies like good fellows and, and things like that. So there's always been a, a parallel of those two worlds. And I think the key thing, and we can, we can kind of close out with this. The key thing here is going to be watching what 50 does with that documentary with Tammy, how he's going to approach it.

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Then what meets does in return is meet so much of a, a street guy that he wouldn't dare to try to get a lawyer and sue 50. Because now you're really damaging this guy's credibility to make money. And I do think Meech is always one of these guys that would rather stay silent than talk for obvious reasons. But now it's different. Now you fuck with his livelihood of going forward.

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You took that 20 years, or it was supposed to be 30. You took that 20 years to come out and go forward on the stance of, hey, I never rolled. I never rat. I'm as solid as they come. You know, never fold. Death before dishonor. All that that you believe in wholeheartedly. And now it's diminished.

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And I'm, I'm really curious. I haven't heard much from Terry since he's been out or Terry's, you know, Opinion on all this. I don't even know if Terry and Meech are spoke. I don't know if they do speak. That's an interesting dynamic there.

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Because, I mean, he had been in jail for a long time. I don't know the exact number of years, maybe slightly over 20, that he did. He was able to get out due to some sentencing guideline changes that Pete talked about. But that was why he got out. It was not the cooperation that people were alluding to. Now, there's a lady I mentioned earlier named Tammy Cowans.

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Yeah, an option in your life rights is something that can be done multiple times. Right, right. Just because your life rights is optioned does not mean you're going to have a movie deal. They've optioned the life rights to pitch it, to shop it, and then if it gets picked up, then if it actually goes into production and becomes something, yes, then there'll be something to talk about monetarily.

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But I spoke with Dowd a few years ago. It was in New York. And I think at the time, Ben Stiller owned the rights to his movie, which if Ben played a bad guy, he looks a lot like Michael Dodd. That could probably be a good role for him. But at the time, he hadn't done anything with it. And he said, I'm waiting. He told me at the time it was like next August or something like that.

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He's like, it's going to be up. So if you don't do anything with it, I'll get it back. Then when you get it back, you can sell it again. There's been guys that sold them multiple times. I think you've sold them multiple times.

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And that's blowing up in her face now. Yeah. She was trying to get him jammed up. Now it's kind of blowing, looking bad on her. I mean, her and Taylor Swift weren't talking, man. I don't know what we're going to do about it.

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I was so glad Philly beat the shit out of Kansas City in that Super Bowl. I'm just sick and tired of seeing Taylor Swift on NFL Sunday. Every time I come on, I hope Travis Kelsey retires.

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50 says that he's coming out with a documentary with Tammy And Tammy's going to expose that Big Meat's done what's called third-party cooperation. Now, Tammy's an executive producer on the BMF show, On the Stars. From what I gather, she was the one that was Meech's kind of connection to the outside world as far as handling his life rights and things like that from prison.

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So in closing, what do you think? Ultimately, I think that this is all this nonsense and that Meech did not cooperate in any way, shape, form. If in anything, the only thing he did was set up Cuffy and Fidel to traffic whatever they wanted to traffic, narcotics, whatever the case.

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Well, that's what I like. People will say documentaries are going to favor whoever the documentary is for. So if somebody does a documentary on me, if I'm doing a documentary on me, I'm going to favor it to where... I'm not looked at as a bad guy. Right. Somebody else is doing it on me and they don't like me. They're going to favor it to where I'm a piece of shit. Yeah.

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So when you do the documentaries, it's always going to be favored to whoever's behind the documentary. So they're going to favor it to her and make me look bad. But I think the key of this whole thing, the one thing that is solidifies that he was in no way benefiting from this is you can't have both.

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You can't have a first-party cooperation agreement where you're getting paid financially and getting percentages of forfeitures and assets and things like that and get time cut off from people. It's one or the other. You either got to take nothing and get the time cut or you take all the other stuff.

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And if she did take all that, which is in court documents that she did, then there's no way they would have given Meech any time off which would give him no reason to facilitate somebody getting set up from prison to be busted. That's not who that guy is. That's not in his character, his makeup, his DNA. So that right there shoots the hole in Cuffy's theory.

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And he tries to make it seem like once she was sleeping with him, once that got thrown out, the whole case come down. He was already in jail. Right. For dealing with an undercover cop, you're already in fucking jail because your vetting process was not good. I think Pete said that he didn't have a plug at the time. So he's trying to find somebody.

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And if you're supposed to be a narcotics trafficker and you don't have product to sell people, that's a problem for your business. So you go hunting, trying to scramble to find somebody. Your vetting process maybe isn't as in-depth and as good as it needs to be to make sure this guy's on up and up. Oh, he does? Okay, let me go. Maybe ask him a couple questions. Okay, you know that guy?

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Because then what Pete told me, and you would know because you wrote a lot of books in prison, I don't think you can really control that while you're in prison as far as your own life rights. But if you sign them over to someone else, they can make deals on your behalf. Is that correct?

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You know that guy? Yeah, he knows him because he's a fucking cop. So, oh, if he knows all these people, I'm good. Does the deal, lands in jail. That fucking Meech set me up. Meech didn't have anything to do with that.

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Yeah. And they don't, it's like people will always say, you know, there's no standup guys or no standup guys, but if somebody is a standup guy, they can't wait to see him. I told you he wasn't this, or, you know, I knew he wasn't this. So you, in actuality, people don't want standup guys. They really don't. They want to see people fail. You don't want to see people fold, right?

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Just to say, ah, nobody does that anymore. And half the people that are saying this, I had somebody on the comments on Pete's show, and it was like, you know, nobody knows who you are, guy, or something like that. And I was like, he was only one of the biggest narcotic traffickers in LA, a state where they actually move, you know, very large amounts of product, not somewhere in St. Louis.

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And I was like, it's just people...

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they want to they want to downgrade other people so bad when in actuality that guy would probably rat out his own mother to get out of a 30-day ticket for a seat belt violation i mean you know all these people that say that have no idea what it's like to sit in prison for years hey you guys i appreciate you watching do me a favor subscribe to the channel hit the bell so you're notified of videos like this also uh wade has his own channel it's called crime and entertainment

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I thought you muted me.

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Right. And there was documentaries made on the BMF and stuff like that. So it's not like only a few people know who he is. And he was also tied into the music industry. He got a lot of guys started. That was how they were starting to watch some of that money was getting artists thrown into the fray. Young Jeezy was one. He come out of that camp. So he's a well-known guy.

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Which almost begs the question, if 50 got the life rights from Tammy to be able to shoot the BMF series, that means technically he owns Meech's life rights, which could get really hairy going forward. I don't want to jump too far ahead, but if that is the case, then Meech basically has no legs to stand on as far as his own life rights.

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That would be now technically owned by 50 Cent, if that's what happens. I don't know the specifics of the deal they cut, but that's not really important to So now let's introduce you to players in this whole situation. You've obviously got Big Meech, who was in prison this whole time. He went to, I think he rested in 05, took a deal in 07, plea deal. Tammy Cowan, who was his handler...

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A guy named Dion Cuffy Gatlin, who was a St. Louis drug trafficker that was apparently, I didn't even know there was such a thing until I started looking into this, but a St. Louis BNF. So I guess maybe they have branches throughout the U.S. He didn't know Meech for a long time and knew Tammy, forgot to know Tammy at some point.

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There's another individual named Fidel Suarez, who's another trafficker. He had met Meech while they were in county prison. And then a DAA agent Cromer, and this guy stays really busy throughout this, doing a lot of extracurriculars throughout this thing. And I am looking down here, if anybody asks, because I have a lot of notes. It's really easy to get lost in the weeds in this.

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So Cuffy has come out and said that Meech got him busted so he could get a time reduction. Meaning Meech get a time reduction. The problem with this is none of the stuff that is in all these indictments that is in what you can find online proves that he didn't even get arrested for that deal that was set up. He was hooked up with Fidel. I mentioned earlier Fidel Suarez.

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He was hooked up eventually to do a deal with him. He winds up getting arrested for something totally different. But as his lawyer is doing the due diligence on things, he uncovers a lot of stuff that we're going to get into. Now, Fidel owned a trucking company, which is obviously a good way to transport people.

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which is probably why him and Meach got to talking in the first place when they were in county. He was arrested, and I'm talking about Fidel. He was arrested in 05 and 09, investigated, but never charged. Like I said, the claim here is that he set up to get a time reduction through the third-party cooperation using Tammy Cowan. Now we'll go over what really happened.

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And this is where a lot of people were going on TikTok and YouTube and they're saying, oh, they don't really know the ins and outs of what really was said. They don't even really know what third-party cooperation is. Right. Because Tammy was taking money directly. that again, right there just changes the whole damn thing to first party cooperation. She's getting paid percentages of forfeitures.

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She's getting money from the agent Cromer. She's also getting Dick from agent Cromer. He's, he's banging it down. So like I said, there's a lot going on here.

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Um, Originally, Tammy, we'll give you a question.

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That's a lot of what we're going to talk about today concerning Meech. And this was a point I was going to make later, but I'll throw this out now since you said that. At the end of the day, when these guys got busted, and we'll do a quick overview on their operations, but South T, Terry, Southwest T, whatever you want to call it, was more of the reason why they got busted.

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Yeah.

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I've never really seen it.

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What?

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It's here.

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Yeah. So what were all the costs associated with that whole process? Yeah. I only had to pay the lawyer.

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And like how much time? Eight hours.

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And they were originally pushing for you to do three years.

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The deal?

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These lawyers, they're not incentivized. Oh, no. They're not incentivized to try to win for you, really. No, they don't care for you.

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Yeah, so let's just say someone gets tied up in something like this. And they need to win this case. Is there a certain pay structure that they can do to help incentivize a lawyer?

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I'm curious, what, like, what are you thinking during this, what is it, 30 minutes, hour, whatever this, from them pulling you for the bag to where you are now? Like, what are you, are you freaking out? Like, dude, like what, like, why are you pulling me? Or like, what's, what's your mindset?

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The funny thing is, we were talking about this story before you come here, and a lot of times, guys who get arrested, they're doing bad things, and they're like... And they got me for this and I wasn't even doing that. And then Matt always goes like, well, yeah, you were doing this though. Like you were, you are a criminal. Like you are doing these things. They're always so indignant.

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You're just like Ian. Yeah, yeah.

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You got a business doing that?

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Exactly, yeah. It's funny you say that. Cause I was sitting here thinking, I was sitting here thinking while you guys are talking like, yeah, yeah. You can build a box. Like I got, cause I just saw, see something on Facebook the other day, like a colored box. And you know, they just take photos in it. It's like.

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That's James's business? No, he goes there.

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All the equipment we have. Just the equipment.

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I've thought about doing something similar, but it's like... Vegas is such a big market. You have to do it in Tampa. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. You have to be in Tampa because that's where all... It's the closest thing we got to Vegas. Yeah, yeah. You'd have to do it in Tampa or Orlando. But yeah, you have that. And then you have it set up. They pay the standard fee.

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And then it's like you can upcharge for editing. Of course. You can upcharge for like, hey, look, we know how to run a successful podcast. We've done all this. We'll do...

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But there's also – who knows what the – It's still marketing too. You still got to market the hell out of it. Not that you'd be going viral for that anyways, but the monetization side of it is a little iffy. Cause I'm like, when I'm searching up stuff for like ads, like, is this safe for ads? I've seen those type of channels and like those people are talking about it.

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Cause it's like all they talk about. So they're like, yeah, you can and can't talk about certain things. Yeah. I'm not sure how they get monetized. Yeah. It's like, am I just like, they may make money from selling their product and stuff like that. They might not make money from their ads.

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I feel like the comments will say like, oh, this guy's doing medical now. He got tripped up in Mexico. It probably was his.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. There might be some comments saying that. It's always interesting.

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Yeah. So what would you say to the people that in the comments, if they are, and they, and they don't believe you.

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It was Scarface.

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Oh, yeah. He was doing that in Phoenix.

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Interesting. From Phoenix.

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And you're like, it was a joke. They were pressuring you. What kind of, what were they saying? I'm curious.

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100%.

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Other than a conversation. A jailhouse conversation. About you.

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That's what I'm thinking.

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he's a bad guy the economy is collapsing no matter what you're saying they have a problem arrest them and throw them in prison but you're not saying give them because they're committing crime oh my god what absolutely where's matt matt no you've never heard me say that you've never heard me say that i promise you what do you think the horrible thing that he's going to do during the next four years is

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I don't agree with his politics and some of the things that he did. Right. But if you want to have a politician, he, Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton. Great politician. You know, really good. Their answers were polished. They came off very authentic. They didn't come off crass. They didn't say stupid things. My favorite is. The – when Osama – I'm sorry. When Barack Obama – sorry.

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No, but it's about Osama bin Laden. When Obama went up to the podium and announced that Osama bin Laden had been executed and then – that's compared – I've sent it to you a couple times. It's also I think he also went up to the podium and he did another one where some some Al Qaeda head of Al Qaeda was shot and killed where Trump did that. No, no.

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But they compared Obama gets up and says, you know, Husseini, Husada, Husada. was, you know, was executed today through a drone strike. You know, the SEAL Team 6 came in. He explains it very eloquently, like a general would explain it. He's done it a thousand times. It was flawless the way he does it. You've seen this. I've sent this to you. And then Trump gets up.

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Then they compare when Trump goes in the same podium, walks up and announces that some Al Qaeda person had been killed. He's like, We did it. No, no, no. He goes, do Baca. Okay. Okay. Keda Obama was he, they, we killed him. We got, we executed him like a dog. They come in the way they came in the windows. You'd think they'd come in the door. They didn't. They came in the window. They killed him.

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It was horrible. He died like a dog in the street. I mean, you're going, this is horrible. It's horrible. He can't pronounce the name. He can't explain what happened. He says it sounds horrific. Obama makes it sound like surgical precision. No one other than him was killed. It was perfect execution.

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That's what I'm saying.

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He's not perfect.

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What about the Trudeau, the thing with Trudeau and Canada? About the border? Yeah, no, about the tariffs, where Trudeau said, look, you've got, you know, if you do this, it'll devastate our economy. He's like, well, wait a minute. If Canada can't survive as a country without ripping off the American public for $120 billion a year, he said, then we'll just make you a state.

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You mean what are we talking about? The millions of dollars that was laundered through his sons. He's selling paintings for hundreds of thousands of dollars. That's his son. Stop, stop, stop, stop, stop. What do you mean stop? That's his son.

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He goes, and you could be the governor. And that has so he said that and everybody laughed and joked around and he goes and he said and then Trudeau goes, well, I think we'd be more of a left leaning state. So I don't know that would work out for you. No, no, it's OK. We'll split it in half. He said, well, because, you know, you break it up into the different districts.

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You know, this is and we'll make it make it reasonable so that it works for us. And Trudeau's like, and everybody, have you seen the firestorm? That's, listen, they got all Mr. Happy or Mr. Smiley or whatever his name is from Shark Tank. I forget his name, but he's on CNN. He's on all these shows saying, because he's Canadian. He's like, listen, 50% of Canadians are for this.

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Like, I mean, and Trump's now coming out saying, listen, if they become a state, your taxes were dropped down by 60%. You would have no fucking, oh, Canadians are taxed like, you can't believe.

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No, that's more like America. It's more like, it's more like five, it's like almost 50%. that you pay in taxes in Canada. You have free healthcare though. Yes. I like free. I like the idea of free healthcare, bro. I like it.

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So you just get on the bus.

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Yeah. Yeah. You just, but I mean, they shut up. What do you mean?

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Yeah. It's outrageous.

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And you understand that there are families that are multiple families living in one dwelling because they can't afford their, there's a bunch of horrible things that are going on too. Like it's horrible.

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Or they just don't, you don't have to work. I knew a guy, the guy that started our TikTok in Canada, we made a mistake. We started a TikTok. He was amazing and ran it up to like 150,000 followers. But he started it in Canada. Well, that you can't get paid from a Canadian. If you open it in Canada, they don't allow you to get paid. So,

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Anyway, so but he did it for about four or five months because he wasn't working. So he gets welfare to pay his rent or whatever during that time. And then when he was he was a real estate agent. So then suddenly the market picked up and people started selling homes and renting and stuff. So he went back to work and he stopped getting paid.

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I asked you about him. So your son is calling you. Your son, by the way. We're talking about his character, not his children's character. Right, because that money is all funneled back to Biden. Or his son is using him as influence peddling. Right. It's a song. You've got to be kidding. No.

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Like they have a system where you think, oh, that's great. Well, it's not great. You're living off the most people are living off of. The system up there, it's a failed system. And what Trump is saying is, look, we remove the border, let free enterprise, you'll be taxed the same way Americans are, and then you have the protection of the United States. We can absorb your military.

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And then imagine how massive the United States would be at that point.

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So it would be beneficial to everyone. But I think it probably came off maybe a joke as a joke. But it's turned into something. And I think that a lot of the things that Trump says and wants to do, closing down the border, that it kills me. These guys are coming across the border. They're giving them – these people have $10,000, $15,000 on their – on the little debit cards they're giving them.

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They're giving them free housing. And you've got veterans that are living in the street that they're turning benefits down, but you're giving billions of dollars to immigrants that are coming across the border. Like you can come across, there's a legal way to come across. There's a legal way to come in here.

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No, illegally. If you walk across, they're giving you a debit card and housing. I don't understand. So what are they giving the legal ones? If you actually come legally... Legally, I don't think you can get nothing.

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You're talking about the wet foot, dry foot stuff. No, no, I'm talking about if you go to the American... and you say, hey, I want to immigrate to the United States. It's like a three-year waiting process where they review your application and why you should be allowed to come and what your reasoning is and that whole thing.

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And then you get to come to the United States, and then you get a green card, and you're allowed to work. And then eventually, after a couple of years, you have to take a class, and then you become a citizen. It's a hard, hard road to be a United States citizen. Or you can sneak across the border. They'll stop you. They actually stop you. They register you.

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They give you a debit card or they tell you, go talk to this guy, go fill out this paperwork. They give them a debit card and they let them go and you can go wherever you want. You're registered, even though these people like they have nothing like, oh, my name is Juan Pablo, whatever. And I don't really have a cell phone or anything. I'm just getting here. OK, well, contact us. Let us know.

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But they're all undocumented at this point. There's six or seven thousand, I'm sorry, six or seven million illegals that are in this country illegally that are undocumented. They don't know where they are. When you come across, they fill out the paperwork. You're supposed to stay in contact with us. But the truth is, you're not going to stay in contact with us.

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So they're all they're awaiting their eligibility to apply to be a citizen. But the truth is, you're just going to come here and we're going to just work and send money back to Mexico and spend money and do whatever we want. Set people on fire, rape people, break into houses, whatever we want to do.

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What about him? Which one? Which one's going? Which one's in prison right now or should be in prison right now because his dad's going to or same thing. Let me give you this example. Biden pardoned his son. OK. Yeah. Clearly broke the law, right? He filled out the paperwork, said he wasn't under the influence of drugs, got a weapon, absolutely smoking rock. The whole thing on camera, everything.

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Pick a bunch of oranges, do whatever. And then and then eventually when. It's my turn to apply and I don't apply and they can't find me and they put a warrant out for my arrest. Well, then you still have to check. You still have to catch me, which is what I had expected the whole time. But maybe they stay in here for 10 or 15 years.

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And eventually someone like Trump comes along, hires a puts this guy, what's his name, back in charge. And they now they're going to scoop them all up and throw them back into Mexico. As soon as Trump was elected. All of these caravans that were coming in from El Salvador and stuff, they stopped. They dispersed.

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They started going back because they realized they're going to close this fucking thing and we're not going to be able to get in.

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The ones that are... The ones that are illegally coming in.

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The debit card would be a way to... 7 million. Has the government ever done anything efficiently other than when you get off the plane in Oklahoma? Other than getting off the plane in Oklahoma... when you walk through that thing and they take the handcuffs off you and give you a bologna sandwich and stick you in that room, I've never, other than the prison system,

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I really haven't ever seen them do anything really efficiently. You call that Oklahoma efficient? Bro, when you got off the plane and they marched us all down there and those guys took those handcuffs off, I never had handcuffs taken off so fast in my life.

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Those guys were amazing. It was like they weren't even on. It was like they just yanked them right off you. Here's your sandwich. Stand over there. It was like, what just happened?

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Yeah. It broke down when I entered the room.

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Yeah, that was good.

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So, yeah, I mean, I think like, you know, would I like it if Trump was more polished? Yeah, I would like it if he was more polished. I would like it if he didn't say a bunch of stupid things, you know, and make say, you know, make mean tweets and say some horrible. I would like that. But that's not to me. That's not I'm not going to say Trump's on Twitter more than me.

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Yeah, but I'm not going to say you can't run the country. You know what I'm saying? And the other thing is, you know, it bothers me. This is what kills me. Oh, I should mention this. This is good. You're going to love this. Of course not. So I have, I have a, I'm not going to say girl. I shouldn't say girl, right? You can't say girl. It's a woman. I have a woman. She's so little. She's so tiny.

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I can't even say woman. She's like five foot two. So I have a. Because of her age, wouldn't it? But go ahead. She's tiny. So her name is Brittany. And Brittany helped me start my first website. Brittany always helps me come in. Brittany's black, by the way. So Brittany always comes over and she'll help me build a website or help me anything I can't figure out.

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She'll figure out like, hey, I want to do this. I know we can do this. Oh, yeah, you can go on this site. We can do this. We do that. Whatever. And I pay her. And and she helped me when when I wasn't able to. There was nobody helping me. This is what I was going to when I was in the halfway house. She helped me build a gym, helped me put up my first book, helped me all made a deal with her.

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You get 10 percent of the royalties, that kind of stuff. So she's always kind of been helping me. When Trump was elected. She told me she was terrified and I went, why? And she is, well, not so much for me, but for my brothers. And I went, why? And she goes, well, because they're black men. And I went, what do you think is going to happen, Brittany?

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Brittany genuinely felt that the law enforcement was going to be rounding up black men and throwing them in jail. And they were going to be brutalizing more so than they already do. They were going to be brutalizing them that they were good. Like she really thought that it was going to be like open season on on blacks, which is what 13, 14 percent of the population. So half that is is male.

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So what? Seven percent of the population were going to be incarcerated.

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The black population in the United States is around 13%, 14% of the whole population.

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So she believed it. And I remember being like, what, like talking to her. And she was so adamant and concerned about it. Now, of course, Trump became president. That didn't happen. In fact, he signed some, he signed some laws into some, he signed some policies in and some laws in that actually let people go. I know lots of guys that got out a year early, two years early.

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Okay, I'm not going to pardon him, not going to pardon him, not going to pardon him. What does he do? He pardons him. Now, wait a second. And that's fine. You have the right as a president to pardon whoever you want. That's how you feel. It's your son. I get it. Absolutely. What about the other 16,000 people that are in prison right now for the same charge? They're not his son.

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I'm glad you attribute Trump to that, but go ahead. Oh, he signed it. That was Obama's thing with Coke.

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It was a policy. I'm sorry. It was a bill that had been circulating for about 12 years. And guess who had been? Guess what? We'd had Democratic presidents the whole time. Obama didn't sign it.

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I'm glad you attribute that to Trump. I'm not taking it from him. I mean, anybody who looks into it would. Yes, he signed it. Right, he signed it. So he signed it. It went in, and lots of people got let out. He pardoned a lot of people, right? So not nearly as many as Biden, of course. Or Obama. Or Obama, no.

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Right. So anyway, so moving forward, Trump is president. The economy is booming. Everything is great. He says stupid things every once in a while, whatever. But in my opinion, he was a good president. He does make mistakes. Everybody makes mistakes. You can't like everybody's policy. So he does fine. He ends up getting beat. Biden comes in.

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You think he got beat because of COVID?

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I think that the media has always been against him. And I also think that he made some mistakes. He said some stupid things. He said some things. He made himself a target. Not that he wasn't a target anyway.

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um but anyway so he loses and the fact that according to him the fact that he didn't admit that he lost bothers me okay i i mean whether you say and i think that there were issues i think there were issues in the in the election i think there there were but either way in january 6th right but peaceful touring of the capital but now you're going to tell me that there were like 10 fucking people killed then during that whole thing it was a peaceful touring of the capital it was by the fbi but

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But the point is, is that I think he lost and he should have admitted he lost. Either way, lost whether it was correct or not, whether there were the correct amount, whether the vote was padded or it was fraud or it was whatever, you lost. Well, losing doesn't fit well with narcissism. No, no. But, so here's the thing. Four years go by and...

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So that's your justification. It's just his son.

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Brittany and I are talking, and she was saying, do you think it's good that Trump is – I don't think he had been elected yet. He was about to. I said, oh, I think he's going to win. She said, what do you think? I said, I think he's going to win. I think he's going to win. She said, really? I said, yeah. She said, that makes me nervous. And I said, why?

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And she said, well, you know, it's just being black. And she goes on and on. She's like, so it worries me. She's like, I really feel like I'm kind of middle of the road between the two parties. And even though I've never heard her say anything other than the standard rhetoric from the left. Regardless, here's what she said. She's concerned because it's so hard being black and that she knows.

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And I said, well, you know, I had mentioned, I said, I want taxes to go down. I think we're taxed too much. I think that's like, I wouldn't mind being taxed even more if we could get free healthcare or something like that. But everybody, of course, they're not in the comments. People are going to scream, oh, free healthcare is horrible, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, I understand, but I'm pretty healthy.

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So I'd like to go to the doctor for free. I'm not really worried about, you know, these catastrophic things because if they happen, then whatever, I'm probably done anyway. Point is, is that So as we're talking, I mentioned taxes and she said, well, yeah, sure for you. And I was like, what do you mean? And she said, well, I mean, you're already taxed less. And I went, what do you mean?

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She said, well, I go, what do you, what do you mean that everybody's taxed the same? She said, no, she said, she's blacks are taxed higher. And I went, what? And I, and she goes, yeah, we're taxed at a higher tax bracket. And I went, do you believe that? And she goes, yeah.

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And I went, you think that if a white man makes $100,000 or a black man makes $100,000 or a white man pays in 25% of his wages to taxes, you think that a black person has paid in more? And she said, yeah, I can show you my mom's W-2. I can show you my, you can call my mom.

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I said, no, no, I'm not going to call your mom because your mom is obviously a person, one of the people that have told you this. They have you believing this, just like you thought they were going to round up your brothers and throw them in prison. This is obviously something that's going around in your circle. Do you really believe that constitutionally it's acceptable that blacks are charged?

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You're like, is there a black tax? It's like, no, but they – well, I don't know, but as a black person, you're taxed at a higher bracket. I said, you've got to be – you don't really believe that. I said, I feel like you need to look into that. You really need to look into that.

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So you think that if you make $100,000 and I make $100,000, both of us are W-2, we both have the same... We pay the same tax. We pay the same.

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But there's tons of those myths. That one's a little bit more extreme. On both sides. Yeah, I mean, I'm not saying that. But it's the perception.

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Right. That's the only thing on my mind. I believe that.

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I've never been searched. And listen, I drive like a fucking maniac. I've been pulled over. I told you when I was on the run, I got so many tickets as a guy. I'd stolen his identity. I got so many tickets. I had to go to traffic school as him because he was going to lose his license. And when I get pulled over, like, I'm never concerned I'm going to get.

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Like, it doesn't even enter my mind they're going to say, step out of the vehicle. We want to bring the dog.

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I have a question. What do you think is going to be horrible about Trump being president? For me or for everyone? For you, well, I can say first, what always kills me is that prior to the election, Prior to him, the election, a couple weeks beforehand, I noticed all the rhetoric from the left was, this is an absolute threat to democracy. If he wins, we may never have another election.

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Okay. So after the election, you know what they were talking about? We need to regroup so that during the next election, we can win and learn what we did wrong. That's true. What next election? You spent weeks beforehand saying there will be no more elections. True. So what makes you think that you should even try? There's not going to be one.

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Like they were saying anything they had to say to get Kamala in there. And the moment it flipped, like that's how stupid the American public are. We can lie to you right up to the day of the election and the day after the election. We can say, OK, next year. What do you mean? Or next election? Yesterday, you said there will never be another election if he's elected.

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He was an absolute threat to democracy. So I'm wondering, so what do you think the horrible thing that he's going to do during the next four years is?

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You don't think it's going to crash anyway?

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Why not pardon my son? Morally and ethically, you think it's perfectly okay to this entire time have said you are not going to pardon him and then decide to pardon him.

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I mean, here's what the problem is, is that is that Trump is a fan of TikTok.

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So there's a chance that that first of all, it doesn't have to go down at all. OK. And TikTok's big everywhere. So we're not I don't even know how they ban it. How do they keep us from logging into it? Oh, yeah. They can. Yeah. They can shut it down that if you're coming from them, they'll they'll know what you're Your IP address is in the United States.

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IP address is just like the guy that started it in Canada. They immediately knew. Oh, no, that's a Canadian IP address.

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So what I think – here's the whole thing. It doesn't have to be shut down. The Chinese just have to release their – their controlling or their interest in it. Like they can just sell it to an American company or any other company, a European, anybody. Like they can figure out how to keep it up.

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Their fear is that they're gathering data on Americans and using it to their advantage. Is that true or not? I don't know, but I haven't seen the data. So I'm not in Congress. I haven't been a part of these committees. I don't know what it is. But it's enough that they got a bill to pass, right or wrong, whatever. So one, we hope that it stays open.

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And I also hope that all the politics and all the interest in politics dies down over the next few months because our last two months, it's crushed us.

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Right. Even I was. I'm consuming politics all the time. That's all I consume. Right. And I've cut back, and that's all I consume. So if somebody was going 50-50 watching podcasts and then political podcasts and then maybe true crime or something else, now it's shifted to a hundred percent politics. So our numbers, we had videos we put out that should have gotten a hundred thousand, 200,000 views.

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You know, they got 50, 40. Wow.

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Our lowest day, maybe of the year. Yeah, of the year. Yeah. All these people with their families. Disgusting. Disgusting. At least put on one of our videos. In the background.

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Yeah, we had a holiday. Remember last year?

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Christmas meals. Christmas bags. You know, and I taught State. I taught several Christmas. Did they give you Christmas bags? Yeah. Really?

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They got, like, decent. Like, we got, like, some potato chips. Yeah. And some cookies. No chips?

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No, no. Oh, listen, the first year I got there, it came in a big thing. It was huge. And it was huge. It was mad. The bag was the next year.

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You know, Reese? Oh, God, bro, everything. I mean, they give you shower slides. They give you, like, stuff, you know, T-shirts, shower slides. And, of course, tons of food, tons of, you know, snacks, chips, you know, sausages, you know, all kinds. And it was stuff that you couldn't get on commissary. So it was exotics.

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You know, Reese, the first when I when I got there, the first time I got there was the first year they gave you one bag, which I was thrilled that everybody was complaining because the year before they'd given us given them two bags that size.

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And by the way, they used to go when you would go into – they would tell them bring your Tupperware because you could buy Tupperware. Bring your Tupperware when they went to the Christmas dinner or Christmas – or sorry, the – holiday meal, they would have them, they would give them food and then they would give them extra food to put their Tupperware.

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And then they would go back to the unit with the food. Wow. That didn't happen when I, when I got there, but now that was happening. Oh yeah.

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You should be able to get three soups for a dollar.

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When we first started, yeah, it was four. You get like two soups a dollar from the fucking store, man.

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No, no. International, like someone in Norway.

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Yeah, I was going to say most of them, though, most of the ones I've been to are the prisons in the other countries are horrible or are like you have no idea. Now, I've also met guys that have been in like Spain.

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And like in Spain, they actually have you actually get country. Yeah. Well, and you get like like alcohol. And I could be wrong. In prison, you get so much alcohol a day. You get a thing a day.

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I don't know why, but I don't know if it's wine or some kind of alcohol. There was all kinds of things. You could have your watch. These guys had all kinds of stuff. It was like...

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And if you have money, you can have your own cell. You can have all kinds of, but if you don't have money.

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So what else do you think? What is your other concern other than the economy with Trump?

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So other than that, other than, other than that.

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Yeah, I think he's concerned about... You don't think he praises Putin?

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Yeah, I think, and I can see that. I can see him, but then again, I can see...

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And I think that Trump's going to go in there and I think he's going to negotiate some kind of an agreement like, hey, you guys need to cut the war.

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I don't think he's going to give all of Ukraine, but I think he's going to keep a port. I think I think Putin is going to keep a portion.

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I think he wanted the whole thing. I think he'd have taken the whole thing. They drove all the way into Kiev.

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Like the first day, he went straight for Kiev. So he was going to take the whole country.

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And he's like, no. As of right now, he hasn't got it. The United States just dumping tons of money into this war. Like that kills me. Like we're going to give all this money to you guys to fight this war together. To me, I think that's just stupid. I'd rather just we'll just send the United States. Well, then we'll be at war with Russia. Well, then we're at war with Russia.

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I don't have a fucking problem with that.

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No, I don't. Because I think Trump is like, look, we have our own problems. We have an economy that's failing. We need to go. You guys need to fix this. And you have to fix it because we're going to cut the money off. So you guys will draw this line. And if you draw that line, we'll make sure it's maintained. If you pass the line, we're just going to send American troops in.

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And then it's going to be so bad because the truth is that North Carolina and South Carolina's National Guard could take out fucking the Soviet or could take out Russia.

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It's horrible.

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And if it had been us, he'd be... No, it's garbage. It's horrible.

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So I think he's going to fix that.

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So invading another country is not... The optimal solution is Russia withdraws back into Russia, Ukraine gets Ukraine, and Russia pays them some kind of reparations. That's the optimal solution. That's not happening. So the other option is we stop the fighting because we're not sending you any more money because we should be paying. With all that money, we could have health care.

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Like, what are we doing? We're not sending you any more money. We're definitely not getting health. We're not getting health care. I know that that bothers me, but I'm saying, why are we going to send all of this money here? And look, I think Russia's wrong. You don't get to invade other countries, but he has invaded. Like there's never any perfect solution.

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So the well, I mean, let's say the best solution that probably the best result that ever probably occurred. Ever was World War Two. Everybody got together and fought Hitler all the way back to extinction. And then we split their country up. That sounds fair to me. That sounds fair. Well, yeah, but no, we're our own country. Fuck you. You guys keep starting wars. Go fuck yourself.

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We're splitting your country up. That's the optimal solution.

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No, no, that didn't happen. These countries broke off... and they allowed them to break off, and they started their own, that was Perestroika. They allowed these countries to become, first of all, Soviet Union gobbled these countries up. Correct. And then finally, when the Soviet Union collapsed, they broke off and become their own countries again. Putin's trying to rebuild the Russian Empire.

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The USSR, yeah. Not the USSR. He's trying to, the former, the Russian Empire, which is prior to the Soviet Union, he's trying to take back the gems of Europe. He doesn't want Tajikistan, some country that's fucking bankrupt. He's not interested. He wants the jewels. There's oil. There's a nuclear plant. Right. He wants that. These are the things that I want.

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The problem is that The other European countries aren't holding their weight. So it's like all of us get together and we go in. Well, they don't have the resources. They do have the resources. We don't have the resources. Do you have any idea what the national debt is? It's fucking outrageous. It's bloating up. Our money is getting worth less and less every single day.

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All of that is what's causing inflation.

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These other countries are the ones who are buying up our debt. It's all inflated. You can't just print money. Are we doing that? Printing money? Yeah, you're just printing money. You can't just do it. No, because eventually it collapses. You'll have hyperinflation at some point. And we don't produce anything. We're not producing anything. We're doing oil now. We're pumping it out of the ground.

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You think oil is enough to sustain the entire United States?

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We don't manufacture anything is what I'm saying. So what I'm saying is we manufacture food. You're right. So we're not going to go, well, we may go hungry, but we're not going hungry right now. But the point is, is like you put in these tariffs to other countries and you say, hey, guess what?

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In China, we're putting in tariffs and you can build those cars in the United States and sell in the United States or you ship them over here. Then you have to pay higher prices. So what happens are tariffs. So what happens is manufacturers here start building because now guess what? There's it's not worth it. to buy from the Chinese.

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So you start your own manufacturing and you become a manufacturing hub. We were the manufacturing hub in the 50s, 60s, 70s. In the 80s, it started shifting. Until they figured out how to make it cheaper.

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Right, and what I'm saying is you put tariffs on... It's going to hurt the other countries more than it's going to initially hurt us. But once a manufacturing props up, you'll be you'll have you'll have workers again that are making 50 bucks an hour, 60 dollars an hour. Like these guys that work in these factories now don't make that.

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I think the union. Okay, you're right. So the 12,000 workers that work now, I'm talking about the 400,000 workers that all those jobs went over or the million workers that went to China.

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Do you have any idea how much profit there is in Nike?

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They're making them over there for $4.50.

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Africa. Right.

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Right. So will you put tariffs on those?

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One, The fact that those shoes aren't made here is because they make them cheaper over there. But now there's a tariff. So now we can make them there. We can make them here now for the same price. So they lose those jobs, and we get those jobs. It takes a little bit to build up the manufacturing, but we get those jobs.

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Just like Trump, numerous occasions you can find videos where he's lied, right? He's contradicted. Right. Right. So Biden, same thing. When Biden was running for Congress, did you ever see the thing where he was talking about how he graduated the head of his class? He graduated. He and he plagiarized the speech, plagiarized the speech, like everything.

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And also, by the way— Well, he's saying now they can make it here. I'm saying it because we get to hire American workers to do it.

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And I'm saying that one, those companies that are buying from China, those tariffs, by the way, those tariffs that people are paying, if they say, no, fuck that, we're going to keep those jobs in China and we'll just pass those tariffs on, those fees onto the American public, well, the government gets that money. So that helps.

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The two, we also, if they keep them there, you probably, maybe you don't buy those products there anymore. And three, or maybe they say, you know what, let's go ahead and manufacture it here. And we won't take as much, we won't have as much of a profit margin here because people aren't going to spend that extra money.

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They're not going to spend $200 for a pair of Nikes when they were buying them from China for, If you want to break out the actual dollar amount of $500 or $1,000 or whatever, we can do that. But in the end, if you double the prices, the demand goes down. So people don't buy as many. That's just the facts.

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What does it do to the economy?

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Well, if to make those... If it was 100,000 employees in China selling 100,000 shoes and they put tariffs on them and we say, you know what we're going to do? We're going to go ahead and manufacture those here, okay? And we're going to double the price. And so what does it do? Let's say it cuts the demand in half. We still got 50,000 new jobs in America. That's what it did. Is the demand less?

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Yes. But we got 50,000 jobs. We didn't have 50,000. There's a process. That transition is a process. Right. Maybe it's six months. Maybe it's a year. But in a year, guess what? How long do you think it takes to set up a factory? All right.

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So for six months, I don't get new Nikes. Oh, my God. I don't get a new iPhone that they're making for $30 and selling for $1,000.

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Tons. But he's not talking about putting tariffs on everybody. He's talking about China. He's threatening Canada. He's threatening. He hasn't put tariffs on anybody. He's not even president. He's threatening. And just by the threat alone and knowing he's crazy enough to do it, you know what happens? They go, wait a minute. Let's talk about this. Let's renegotiate NAFTA.

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Let's renegotiate these types of deals that weren't exactly fair.

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And they just got him one after another after another of him doing the same thing. So I think that if you had to say character. I certainly wouldn't say that Biden's character is any better than Trump's character. I would. I would. I mean, you would. But but I think that the record and the facts would show differently.

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The end goal is more jobs in America. I don't care about overseas. All right. So more jobs in America, less jobs overseas.

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Let's assume that these companies, do you know how much profit do you think is on an iPhone?

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Just the equipment? How much, what their price point is. Do they make, if an iPhone costs $800, do they charge $1,000? No, I think they profit 80%.

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They double it. It's called business. Yeah, I understand. But you know what else is business? It's that if you want to make money on volume... instead of just jacking your prices up, then you don't make 100% profit. Like most companies don't. Most companies like... Do you know what's a better phone than an iPhone? Most of them. Yeah. But they don't have 100% profit.

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So you know what iPhone would do is they drop their profit a little bit. You drop your profit a little bit. And let's say you say, oh, you don't. Okay, well then guess what? Then let's say you sell 50% less iPhones. I'm okay with 50%. I've still got mine. I don't buy a new one every year. This is a fucking...

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this is 13 no this is no it's not even it's like a 12 or something that's a 13 is it yes what are they at now 16 yeah i don't have a 16 this thing's great yeah i have an 11 and a 13 this thing's great i think i have 11 i think i have the same phone as you so it sounds to me and you get 50 000 more jobs but what what you're saying is starting to become less american

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Take it over there. But if you build the manufacturing over there and you don't hire, you're telling me you think it's American to hire Chinese to sell to Americans? It's capitalism. It's capitalism. I think you can still do that. You can do that. Because it's my business. You could do that. We're just going to put tariffs on it. Okay. And that's on America. And that's fine.

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So what I'm saying is more jobs means that people, more jobs in America mean that more Americans have money to buy things in America, manufactured by Americans. That's what it means. So I don't see how that's un-American. Americans have jobs.

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That's everything.

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The economy was doing great.

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Our unemployment is low. It's going up. Okay. Listen, prices, when the housing bubble collapses.

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That's what you're saying. I'm saying more jobs in general. I think more manufacturing jobs produces more jobs pretty much everywhere.

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If you had a low unemployment right now, we're also just printing money.

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That's not that's not I don't understand that. You don't understand. You can't just keep printing money. You just can't. I understand. That's that's what happened. That's what happened. And, you know, after World War One in Germany.

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I don't have enough paper and pen to write down all the flaws that are in his character. Do you have enough? I don't think that there are enough paper and pen to write down all the flaws in every president that has ever been appointed. Or, I'm sorry, ever won election. All of them are flawed. You don't get to the top without having some flaws.

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I mean, that's practically what started the Second World War is that they just got to a point where they couldn't, they weren't able to pay their bills, so they just started printing money. And it worked great for a while. And then eventually the money, the hyperinflation, the money became worth nothing.

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We were on the gold standard until Nixon. Yeah, that's the 70s. Which was fucking stupid, but whatever.

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But we owe debt— To stay on top. Right. Because right now, all these other countries, their economies, you're like, oh, India's economy is great, right, at our expense. Yes. Oh, China's economy is great at our expense. Yes. Right. Fuck China.

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You don't elect a president to look out for China. Unless it's Biden. He's concerned about everybody else except for the American citizens. That's what I'm concerned about, American citizens. And I'm telling you, the way it's working now is working.

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It will eventually. It will. It's never going to be 100%.

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is doesn't even include the frigging our our consumption of dope but well i mean i think i think that that drug should be legalized oh no i don't think that'd be horrible well weed is legalized yeah you're not smoking a joint and being like well let's go rob a bank well wait a minute i i think so Opiates. Right. They were legalized. Right. But right now you can you can get opiates.

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People get them anyway. Like they're getting a prescription. And right. But people buy them anyway. They can buy them anyway. What I'm saying is, is it look, you could go with this. You could go with the model of, hey, let's do this. Let's go ahead and reduce the population, the incarcerated population by half. Let's put these guys up. I didn't deserve 26 years.

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You could have given me five or six years or 10 years and I would have done two or three years and been out and gone to a halfway house, put me on a monitor. That means that they were willing to spend about $500,000, $600,000 on me. $500,000 to incarcerate me. That wasn't going to help society. So if you reduce that population and you say, look, you know what we're going to do?

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We're going to take Zach and we're going to put him on an ankle monitor. We're going to send him home. He can go get a job and he's got to pay $100 a month for the monitoring of the ankle thing. Or Zach, do you want to stay in prison for another 10 years? No, I'd rather do that, of course. So he goes out. So you can easily reduce the prison population by half. But guess what?

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There's still that money. So we take that money. and we go ahead and we we take that money and you dump that into education then you go ahead and you tax you you make drugs maybe not necessarily legal Do like a medical marijuana or whatever you want to do where they can buy some kind of opiate or something, you know, some types of drugs, right?

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Like a lot of these drugs are, they have been legal at times, right? What about, shoot, you used to be able to buy, what are they, mother's little helpers? It was basically speed. Like most countries, a lot of countries, you could buy speed. Like make these things available. And then the money that that generates, take a portion of that money and put it into free rehabs.

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If you have a problem, we'll put you in free rehab for 30 days. Maybe 60, maybe 90. They're not going to go. Okay, well, they're going to. Here's the thing. They are going to go if they want to get off. They really want to get off. They don't want to get off. Right, exactly. But here's the whole thing. Drugs are free. No, no, they're not free. I didn't say free. What I'm saying is that.

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Make them available. Make them cheap. Make them cheap and safe. Like right now, what is it? Finney. Has been prescribed and been used for decades. It's safe. It's killing everybody. It is killing everybody because what they're doing with it, they're not cutting it. They're sticking into all these different types. They will abuse.

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Well, it's not like we're losing patriots here. They had an opportunity. They had an opportunity. Well, wait a minute. They had an opportunity. If they wanted to get off, they do. Some people look, no offense. Some people just, they, that's how they want to live their life. Yep. Now they might say, well, I'm hooked on drugs. Great. We can send you this, this rehab.

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Well, they go, they drop out in three days or a week or whatever. If you have quality rehabs, they can go to, and they just don't want to. Some people simply don't. want to be drug addicts. That's all they want to do.

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But once again, by your same argument, right, of you just saying, no, there's no proof of this, there's no proof, right? What's the proof that he cheated on his wife? He said he didn't.

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And I'm saying, give my people someplace to go for free so they can get off it. And you know what, if they don't want to get off it and they want to end up overdosing or be a professional dope head, That's fine because probably they're going to get it so cheap they don't have to rob to do it. They could probably get some kind of manual labor job. Let's face it.

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Most drywallers, painters, roofers are on some kind of drug, alcohol, some kind of dope. You can drywall a house and lay carpet and put roofs on and be on meth. So only this time you don't have to pay a ton with it. And it's safe. It's measured and it's safe. And you can be a functional attic. And if it's someday you want to get clean, we have a place for you to get clean.

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And you don't have to spend a whole bunch of time in prison because it doesn't help you. I don't like that.

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Have you been to Amsterdam?

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visually yeah i've been free not free it's beautiful like you can line up people have a problem and that addiction shouldn't be capitalized on wait a minute so you're saying you're saying they have a problem arrest them and throw them in prison but you're not saying give them because they're committing crimes what i'm saying you're saying that you're saying don't give them the opportunity to go to a 60-day rehab but they do all the time

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So what you're saying right now, what I'm hearing is that the system right now is not working. Right.

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For a brief moment. You have a great ability at pointing out what the problem is. What's the solution?

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So you don't think he slept with the porn star? I'm saying we've got a porn star.

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Okay, once again, what's the solution?

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of upstanding moral uh moral values who says i'm going to say because i met you one time i'm going to say you slept with me or you're going to pay me money so in the middle of an election he says fuck it pay her off to get her to shut up because this is going to not this is going to hurt me any man true or not true is going to make that payment well i see to me it's funny but you're saying no no

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Right, but that's not something that Six is in favor of. Well, I mean, he's... Because people are profiting off of people's addiction.

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I know plenty of people who literally smoke all day long.

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A cigarette is addictive. I know lots of guys that do powder, and they just like the smell of it. I smoke weed often.

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The immoral guys that are... So what I'm saying is let's go ahead and let Pfizer... And the other companies manufacture, you can get yourself a little bottle and you can take a little pill and it's measured and it's cheap and it's inexpensive and they're taxed. And we get rid of the dealers profiting off it because somebody's profiting off it. Oh, wait, is it the cartels? Is it the local dealer?

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Is it everybody down the chain? They're all profiting. So someone's profiting now. I'm saying let's tax it. Let's make it safe.

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Absolutely true. And fix the roads. We can tax it and possibly. Because we can't beat you. And we can give you a safe drug rehab to go to if you want to change. I'm not saying you have to, but if you want to. And I don't mean, by the way, the drug, you know, when they send you to a drug program in the state, they are garbage. They look like garbage. I'm talking about a nice, clean facility.

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You get your latte in between class, run by professionals, like a decent place. There's a couple of decent ones.

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So there's a scene in Argo where they're trying to get the hostages. Well, it's not even the hostages. It's a group of Americans that have escaped to the Canadian embassy. I want to say there's five people there. I could be wrong. And the CIA is trying to come up with a plan to get them out of Iran. And when they present the plan... He says, here's the plan we think we should go with.

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There's nothing but bad plans. But this is the best bad plan you have. He goes, yes, out of all the bad plans, this is the best bad plan we have. There are no solutions. People are gonna use drugs. I'm saying, what is the safest way we can do it so that we can collect the taxes and help these people and help society? There's growing pains. We've tried it. In Oregon, they've tried it.

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Our morals, our face value. Oregon said that we have horrible ethics and moral problems.

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Hey, I have a question for you. What would happen to the cartel if Pfizer started making drugs? A form of ice or Pfizer started making these products.

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She said it, so it's true.

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You think that you think that it wouldn't harm the cartels at all?

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But, you know, I can buy I can buy I can buy cartel ice. on the street for $100, or I can buy the same amount for $30. It's never cheaper.

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Just like with the pot. So it's not the plan that bothers you. It's just the cost is the real issue.

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I'm talking about pharmaceutical-grade methamphetamine. Pharmaceutical-grade brown. Which, by the way, all of these are. All of these are. Some of it's synthetic. There's a difference between selling drugs and then giving for a medical purpose. There's a difference to me. I think that that line changes constantly. It's blurred. It's constantly changing.

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Because it used to be 20 years ago, if you walked in to... Look, the first time that I walked in, I had a prescription for Xanax. Okay? Yeah. You know what I told them? And this is true. I told them I had had a panic attack and I explained what had happened. And he said, oh, man, he said, you need to.

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I said, now, I said, my dad told me that he had a prescription for Xanax and that I probably needed a prescription for Xanax. And he goes, yeah, of course. And he wrote me a prescription. This is just the local general practitioner wrote me. So they all do. Right. Well, they don't now.

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because I got out of prison and I went to go get a prescription for Xanax and I went to three different doctors and each one of them cost me 250 bucks just to walk in the door and be told, no, no, no. Because they're abusing it. They were. They were abusing it back when I got it. So the point is, is what happened was the line between what was medically necessary. And I never abused it, by the way.

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Again, that's ghostbed.com slash Cox with the code Cox at the checkout to save a whopping 50% off site-wide. They had all these things I could do. You know, I took that probably two pills a month. I almost never took it. And I had plenty of stress. So, or I would break it in half.

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You know, like if I had to go in front in public, I would take one because I was going to be around 400 people and I got very anxious. So I would take it. So I didn't abuse it, but I'm saying that medical line is constantly moving on what's medically necessary and what's not necessary. What I'm saying is, And I don't even think that a doctor should be prescribing.

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I think you can go to like a head shop, you know. So, I mean, because clerk. Right. Yeah. I mean, I think and I like I said, I think you tax it. I think you redump the money. And I think if you had to do some kind of price check where you do a where you do a price cap, we say this is what we charge. Why? Because the street values this and we're trying to run the cartels out of business.

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That's what I think happens. Is it a good solution? No, it's a horrible solution. Is it immoral? I don't think it's any more moral than what's happening right now.

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Yeah. I don't think you understand.

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I think taking some drug addict that's buying and selling or even selling just to get enough money to feed his habit and you send him to jail for 15 years because he bought a .22 that doesn't even work to sell a $15 crock and you send him to prison for 15 years? Is that immoral?

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Yeah. We don't even need you. You can take that. You can take those 12,000. I don't know how many, by the way, somebody who's going to fact, I think, I think they all, they, you take that, but you take that 12,000 man arm person, army agency. And you just say, we're done with you. You guys, we don't need you anymore. I love Trump's thing where he said the alcohol, tobacco and fire ATF.

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He's like, he goes, I mean, as far as I'm concerned, he said, isn't alcohol legal? Aren't firearms legal? Isn't tobacco legal? Why do we have an ATF? Can't we take those 5,000 fucking guys and get rid of them?

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No, they don't. It's a police force. It's not like they're going to... All of the like if you want to have them go to the gun stores and check records. OK, but they're not. They're setting up stings. They're doing undercover. I don't need you to do undercover missions. We don't need you to do all that.

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I need you to go to make sure that these guys are getting the right proper, proper verification when someone applies to buy a gun. I need someone to the police, by the way, if you get pulled over and you're you're a convicted felon in charge of a firearm. Guess what? That's a local crime. I don't need a special ATF wing to come in and set up a huge thing.

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I think the local cop that pulls you over and searches your car because he smells marijuana and finds a gun, I think that's good. We can enforce that.

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teenagers the one commit robberies so they were shooting at him they were reverse stings by the way they were reverse things and the one that busted it was the kid that they went to his brother and they said to him to his brother we know a guy or sorry they went to a kid and they said listen This kid never had a job, by the way. He's like 18, 19 years old. He lives at home, doesn't have a job.

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And they said, listen, we know where there's a... And this is a CI. We know where there's a drug house and there's $100,000 in cash there and a couple pounds of marijuana, whatever. Everybody. This is reverse. John Gordon. John Gordon, yeah. But John Gordon shot the guy. So here's what happened. The kid... So get the kid. He's on the couch. His buddies are telling him like, yeah, yeah, yeah, man.

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All we're going to do is... Is we're going to drive up there. We're going to kick in the door, get the money and leave.

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Oh, this is in the drug house. Yeah. So he's like, so I'm the guy you'll be robbing, whatever. Bring a gun. I don't remember that.

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Right. Well, there's two guys. Yes. And there's a couple of guys. So the kid says, oh, OK. He's like, listen, though. Well, no, I think yours is wrong because they one of the things they did to the kid was they said, we need you to bring a gun and an ID that I'm sorry, a badge that says you're a cop. And he says, well, I don't know where I can get a gun or a badge.

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And he says, bro, he said, you you got to get a gun and badge. He's like, OK, well, my my grandfather has a gun. I can probably go to his house. He has a gun. So he gets the gun. He gets the gun from his grandfather. By the way, it's like a 1910 Colt revolver that doesn't have a pin. It doesn't work. Kid gets the gun. He's like, I got a gun. He's like, okay. He's like, I don't think it works.

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He's like, well, we don't need it to work because they don't need it. It could be plastic for all we care. They get in the car. He says, did you get the badge? The guy kid goes, I don't have a badge. And he says, it's okay. I brought one for you. He takes it, clip it on your belt. He clips it on his belt. They get to the fucking place.

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They go into the, they jump out and they start heading to the door to kick the door in and ATF. Get on the ground. Get on the ground. Get on the ground. Do you know why they had him bring a gun? So it's an armed robbery. It's an armed robbery. It's an enhancement. Why did they have him bring the badge? It's an enhancement. You get a minimum man story. So he ends up getting you can go to prison.

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You can go to trial and get yourself 20 years or you can plead guilty and get 10. That's the case. And the gun doesn't even work, by the way. But that doesn't matter. They don't care about that. So the point is, is that that's the case that the guy actually like fought the case all the way to the Supreme Court and got the whole thing overturned because they went from in one.

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The first year they started doing it, it was 500 reverse stings. It went from 500 to like 1500 to 3500 to 8500 stings. In like four years, it went that because it was working so good. Yeah. Setting people up works well. And so eventually they said, OK, we're going to reverse our book because we're being told that we're we're setting these guys up and it's in one case.

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Like you're right. That was a huge problem. What I'm saying is, why do we do what they were doing? is ruining kids' lives. Black kids. Good for you, bro. You got a 19-year-old kid who's never had a job, who lives at his parents' house, broke, and you promised him he was going to get one-third of $100,000, and all he had to do was come with you with his broken gun.

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Right. You got 10 years and 10 years in prison at 30,000 as $300,000 for you to get this kid who's playing video games on his mom's couch off the. Now, his mom might have been like, OK, well, that's going to save me a little bit of money, you know, on him going there. But she's still got to go visit him the whole time and put money on his books. The point is, is that you're going to spend $300,000.

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Well, he's on a different Elon Musk threatened to have bankruptcy several times. Also, by the way, so, so, uh, Jeff Bezos, Jeff Bezos never had bankruptcy. No, no, no, no. He's had the same exact bankruptcies that Trump has had. You know what he did? Trump personally has never had a bankruptcy. He can say I've never had a bankruptcy. He said it many, many times.

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To set up a kid that was never going to do a fucking thing. And those dudes patting themselves.

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No, he's not a criminal at all. He's just some idiot. You're patting yourself. He couldn't even fill out an application to get a job. You're patting yourself on the back. You were so proud of yourself. He's a real criminal. We took one off the streets. And they were so proud of themselves. They got rid of the 500 to 8,500 in four years.

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Oh yeah, that was John Gordon. He was the same thing. Let's rob the guy. And they start shooting at him. Yeah.

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They were going to kill me. What was it? What was it? The same thing with the, I think it was the same thing with the kid that lost his leg. Yes. Yes. I remember his name. His name was, um, he only went cause his brother asked him to die. And he said he didn't want to go. They killed his brother and blamed him.

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patting themselves on the back, bro. Just taking off good, clean people or good criminals off the street. We're doing the right thing.

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Yeah, and I'm walking right into a trap. You know what my favorite is? My favorite is the drug deal where they say, hey, I'm going to sell you a bag here. I've got you on. You're on wire. You're done. I just sold it to you. You just committed a felony. Why didn't I arrest you? No, no, we want to get a few more buys. We get another one, another felony, another felony, another felony.

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Have we hit the minimum, the mandatory minimum yet? Yes, we do. Now we arrest you because before you could have got probation, but now you get five years.

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Half the prison population can be reduced. And you haven't done a fucking thing to harm society at all. Really just probably hoping to correct some injustice, really.

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Five years. How much money are they going to spend on five years? And that's the state. The state, is it state? The state is about $20,000 per person. The Fed's is about $32,000. The state is $20,000. Here's the thing. So for five years, they're going to spend $100,000 to keep a fucking dude locked up for $20, and they're going to tell themselves that that's okay.

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And the news has actually come out and said, yes, personally, he's never had one. Do you know how many companies Jeff Bezos has founded and started that have gone under? Yes. I watched a video of him.

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That is so high.

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No, because it's a selling point, bro. It's a selling point.

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to the crime. Put him in a drug rehab and give him a job. And if he still fucks up, then make it reasonable for him to be able to buy it where he can work at a labor place and buy it. And he can smoke as much as he wants. We're not going to keep throwing these guys in jail. It's a waste of resources.

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is very small. Right, but the alternative isn't to give up on them and throw them in prison for the rest of their life.

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I think he purchased them. I understand what you believe. What I'm saying is I can if you want, we can break out the video where he says he'll start. And it's funny, too, when he does it. He'll name the type of the company that Amazon put half a billion dollars into. And as soon as he says it, you're like, hey, what happened with that? I do remember that. That was an app and this and that.

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No, I agree. By the way, it's not more money because if you spend, if it's in the state, if it's $20,000 Over the course of five years, that's $100,000. If this guy was on the street, I could spend $50,000 and you can educate him in something to do where he can make a living. And then if he wants to keep using drugs, he can keep using drugs.

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That's fine because the drugs are reasonably priced and they're safe. Now, I'm not saying that you're going to make him a financial manager while he's also doing crack. or should I say rock? So while he's doing rock, you know, I'm not going to say you're a rockhead. You're my rockhead financial planner, although that'd be a great, you know, rockhead finance. Rockhead finance. RHF.

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But you know where he can work in a manufacturing job. You know, he can work in something, in a labor job. He can drywall. He can paint. He can do something like that. And by the way, those jobs, there's tons of those guys. Like I probably say,

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50, 60% of those labor forces have guys that are professional alcoholics or professional addicts, even if it's only cigarettes or something, cigarettes, alcohol, some kind of drugs. And they do great work. So I'm saying what's not an alternative, what's not the solution is

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He goes to jail for five years here, and then he gets out, and two years later, he gets another seven years, and two years later, he gets another two years, and two years later, he gets another eight years. That's not the solution. It costs a drug rehab. You can say, hey, man, that's a nice drug rehab. They put a lot of effort in that, and they really, really did a bunch of stuff in that.

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That was an expensive drug rehab. You're right. It was an expensive drug rehab. It cost $10,000 for him to be there for a month. It didn't cost $20,000. It didn't cost $30,000. It damn sure didn't cost $100,000. And you know what happens? Maybe it fixes him. Maybe. Maybe. To your point.

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And guess what? He said, like, we dumped all this money into it. We did it for three years. It tanked. And then he started, he'll name off like six of them. We did this, you know, 400,000 into this company, you know, went under 300,000 in this one, went under half a billion in this one, went under. All of those were bankrupt companies started by Jeff Bezos.

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You think that every single person that went to that place got out and immediately got back on drugs?

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If he'd run as a Democrat, you would have been all for him.

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you know it's hard like the rehabilitation thing sounds fantastic help the homeless all that stuff sounds but it is absolutely the person let's assume it's two percent okay if we break out pen and pencil right now and take those hundred people that we're going to get five years at twenty thousand dollars in the state a piece

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And 2% of them, every one of them that goes into the drug rehab continually gets better and better and better. In the end, it's still a better solution to send them to rehabs than it is to lock them up for five years. First of all, the five years is just their first prison sentence. They're going to keep coming back and coming back. Let's say 2% get better every single time.

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The drug rehab doesn't cost but $10,000 for 10 or 30 to 60 days.

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These people don't have insurance. I'm talking about a state-run facility, not something that's appointed by the judge. I've been to that one too. And you think that one cost how much? The state-run one? What's the state charging? They're not charging $20,000 or $30,000 for 30 days. They're not charging that. And it doesn't matter anyway, because remember, it was a five-year prison sentence.

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It was $100,000. You're talking about $100,000 versus what? If they pay $20,000? $30,000 for 60 days?

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And 2% keep repeating. In the end, I think that that drug... And some people are just never going to change. They're not going to change. But they'll just keep going back and going back and going back.

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But if he ran for president, the other side would say, you've claimed bankruptcy six times. No, I'm a businessman that has started several businesses that fail. That's what you do. Every businessman has companies that they've started that fail. Right. All right.

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On some pills there. What about the, so you think the longer that that person has been addicted to A drug, the more chance they go back to it?

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So what is the, what is the percentage? What's the likelihood that I walked into a halfway house that had a hundred people in it.

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And then I just happened to pick one of the 2% that doesn't reoffend as far as going right back to meth. Because I don't think that it's 2%. Because the likelihood that I walked in there, sat with that person, and ended up with that person. Because guess what? Everybody there had gone to drugs. Almost everybody there was probably for drugs. I'd say 70% of people.

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But you were attracted to something that... Or maybe the percentage is a little higher. Maybe it's a little higher.

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She's been smoking ice. She was 11 years old.

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She's been committed to getting off meth many, many times. She's gotten off for six months. She's gotten off for nine months. Every time she ever found out she was pregnant, immediately stopped doing it. And then she would have the baby. And then whatever, six months later, a year later, boom, she'd start up again. Bam, she'd start up again. Boom, she'd start. The guy, she'd date this guy.

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He does meth. Boom, they'd start up again. That's a trigger. Right.

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So I think I think that what I think Trump, you know. which in my view, you can decide good or bad. Here's the thing, and it is true, is that he's not even president yet. Everything bad, people are already blaming on him. But he's also and he's not even president. I saw a video of the interview the other day where he's sitting there and they're like, well, what about this?

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Did she take rehab in prison? She did do RDAP. She did do RDAP.

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What are you talking about? How many times have I said RDAP? I think every person, I don't think you should be able to get out of prison until you take an RDAP style program. That's how good I think RDAP is. What? Absolutely. Wait, where's Matt? Matt! No, you've never heard me say that. What have you done with me? You've never heard me say that. I promise you. What about your book, Matt?

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My book mocks it. It doesn't mean that it doesn't work. I think it's a great program. I mock the people. How many idiots? The people running the program, half of them are psychos.

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It's a residential drug treatment program inside of prison where for nine months you go into. RDAP is drug and alcohol treatment.

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what you go into thanks for that you go into a special housing unit where every day you program several hours a day i mean everybody in the in the program is everybody in that unit is programming so they're all art app uh oh i've been around right so it's nine months of behavior modification nine months. They're not fucking, they're not fucking around, bro.

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Let me tell you something. And you're lucky because I'd say 25. Well, I'd say 10% get kicked out. Maybe 25% get re phased where you have to go back and do another three months. I knew one guy who was like, he got re phased and he was like, man, it looks like another three months. Cause you know, they do it in phases, right? So something that you go back and you like, there's like three phases.

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He was like, yep, looks like I'm going to go back. But yeah, One of the first things you learn is to take responsibility. Well, when he went into his team meeting and they were talking to him about his victims, he was like, what victims? I did Medicaid scams. He's like, I don't have any victims. And So you're not taking responsibility for your actions. So he got rephased back to the beginning.

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Ooh. Nine. I've seen that. Or maybe it was six. Maybe it was six months. He might have gone to six months. The program's nine months, but I've seen that. Right, but he might have gone all the way back.

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Right. I'm sorry. But yeah, it's super, super intense, intense.

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He's like, OK, well, I'm not president. What about the economy? This you're going to you said you're going to do this. He's like, I'm not president. I mean, the woman's blaming him. It's somebody some chick from like CNN. And he's like, I'm not president. Yes, but you will be. He's like, yeah, but I'm not. But here's the thing.

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I believe that. It helps you deal with things that are triggers to move. It helps you deal with stress. It's a behavior modification program. You have to work through books.

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Critical thinking. Absolutely. That's 90%. That's the biggest problem is to be able to think through. Most people are reactionary. They don't think through all the steps. They react immediately. And then when suddenly they're in handcuffs, they're like, oh, my God, what happened?

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Didn't you know this was happening? You attacked the guy. Yeah, but he said it's irrelevant what he said. Yeah.

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you had to know that the end result by attacking him was you were going to end up by handcuffs so you know it teaches you to make those that what a normal what i realize a normal person does instinctively they don't attack somebody else immediately they think through like oh i'm pissed and i'd like to fucking slap this right but you know what's going to happen i'm going to do that we may get i may get away with it now he'll call the police that guy called police i'm gonna end up

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The cops are going to show up. They already have my name. I'm going to end up in prison.

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More like going to prison. I'd be okay with cracking a few people.

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Already, like all the tariffs and things that he's threatening to do, already these countries are ready to come to the table to renegotiate. And he's not president. The threat of him being president is enough. The threat of him saying, I will shut down the border. I will do this. I will do that. I like all that. I don't want illegal immigrants walking across the border. It's coming.

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I think, you know, I think you come. Well, first of all, I think the economy is collapsing no matter what. I don't care who's who's in charge. We're in the middle of a bubble. The real estate is. Do you understand? It's more expensive to own. It is 30 percent more expensive right now to buy a house than it is to pay your rent. So the fact is, is that the bubble is huge right now.

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It's already slowly collapsing. I'm waiting for it to really bust. I think what it is, is it's a building that's coming down. And it doesn't matter if Trump's president or Kamala is president. It's a matter of. How do we have this building come down in the best possible way? Because it's coming down. Do we have a controlled explosion as it comes down so it doesn't take out all the other buildings?

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Or do we let that fucker just fall over however it's going to fall? I think Trump brings it down in the best possible light so it doesn't take out all the other buildings. I think Kamala would have taken out four other buildings on the way down.

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I mean, this is how I feel.

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Right. Here's the thing with me is that His first presidency, he's not polished. He's absolutely not polished. He's not a politician. He says things that come to his mind immediately.

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Probably some of them are stupid, without a doubt. Not a lot of thought put into them. And I can think of numerous things that I thought, Jesus Christ. Like when, uh, what was his name? McCain had been shot down and was like, uh, uh, they were like, well, McCain's a war hero. And he's like, well, he got shot down and he was, uh, when he gets shot in the leg.

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No, he said, well, he said he was, he was, he was in, he was a hero because he got, yeah. He, you know, he was like, yeah, well, I like war heroes that weren't captured. Like he made some crack offhanded crack, like, OK, I get it. You you you said it. And probably if you rethought it, you thought, well, that's probably shouldn't have said that. That was a stupid thing to say.

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But me being someone who says stupid things all the time, I realize that sometimes you say you have a knee jerk reaction and you say something stupid. The problem with him is, of course, another character flaw is that he can't back off of it.

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he can't because he's a narcissist he can't then say you know what look that was a dumb thing to say he doesn't want to admit he's wrong narcissists don't want to admit they're wrong the problem is most narcissists are also end up being ceos of country of of companies they're either go to prison narcissists are great leaders right but if you have a personal relationship with one it's fucking horrible right like it's a horrible it's a horrible person to be married to or have

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The children typically don't have great relationships with them. It's hard to have a personal relationship with them because it becomes all about them. But as far as being a leader, they're great leaders. You have to be a narcissistic.

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Here's the thing, though. Have you seen recently, and this was something Joe Rogan had mentioned, that if you watch his more recent interviews, he's much more polished now. Like now he's not making those same mistakes, saying those same harsh things. He's not being quite as much of kind of a jerk.

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He's not coming off quite as jerky because I think he learned in his first term and throughout the second term how they're twisting every single thing he says. And he can't say something. His answers are much, much more polished now. Not perfect. He's not Obama. Okay. And I love. Obama's not perfect. No, no. I'm not saying he's perfect. I said he's polished. Yes. He was polished.

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Damn. But that was under the old law where you were able to get parole, right?

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Okay. Yeah, I remember the story of Socrates. He ends up being sentenced. He doesn't die. He gets sentenced to like a home. They kind of send him to like a home confinement type thing, right? Then they end up not killing him.

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Okay, I definitely don't know this story.

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I did not know that. Okay.

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So how long were you in the penitentiary? Did you ever drop custody?

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So let me go back to your wife. She had known you, so you'd been contacted by her. You knew her prior to prison though.

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So you got... Okay, so... So with good time, how much time did you do in prison?

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So the business that you're running now, you were, you were planning, like, first of all, that's amazing that you, you know, you, that one that you got, you know, you got married in prison, but two, um, that you're, you know, you're still married. Cause a lot of those marriages, you know, they fall apart when, when the people get married for 20 years. Yeah.

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Um, When you got out, you had a plan on what you were going to do, right? Did it go?

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All right. One of my questions is that did your plan for getting out of prison and saying, hey, this is my plan, this is what I'm going to do, did it go exactly according to plan? Yes. Really?

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didn't lose any good time right now you call it good time but that's really a poor choice of words because it's really the avoidance of bad time you don't have to do anything to get the good time just don't get in trouble right um all right so has a ridiculous amount of time you know what's so funny is when i was locked up and people would tell me like what their prison sentences were

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Yeah, listen, you like...

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you know i mean you know this being inside like there's so many people that they they build you know there's nothing wrong with building a life in prison you know i'm saying like they they do they build a life because you have to survive there for 10 or 20 years whatever it is but the part of that life you know has to be about getting out you know like the whole time i was there i was thinking i was planning on what i'm gonna do when i got out like it didn't go the way i planned

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but you know you you you miss a hundred percent of the targets that you know you don't aim at so i mean so i'm i i didn't hit the exact target but you know without a plan at all you're just not you're gonna fail i mean and it's god i mean i'm shocked that like that like your business partner like wow that's that is that is amazing like that you know i want to say like

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I want to say you got lucky, but boy, I'm sure you wrote a lot of letters. You know what I'm saying?

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they'd say, yeah, I got 15 years. I'd be like, wow, 15 years. And then I'd always forget like I was serving 26 years. I would always feel bad for people. I thought, wait a second.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Right. Were your parents married?

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I had a degree in fine arts, so I already knew how to paint. He learned in prison.

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Belly of the Beast, no.

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Yeah, definitely. I don't know. There were multiple times I was going to interrupt you. You can interrupt me.

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All I kept thinking was that the guys that got out and were in the right spot They created their own luck because they were prepared for it when it came. Most guys in prison are prepared to play pool, learn to play the guitar, play handball, softball. They're not really, really necessarily preparing themselves to get out. They don't have a plan. Or there's tons of guys I know that got out.

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They were going to do this. They were going to do this. They were going to do this. And they just went right back to doing what they were doing before.

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You know, they get frustrated and they go back to what they know, which is crime, you know, because the whole time they were incarcerated, they just thought about crime and talked about crime and they didn't prepare themselves for anything other than going back to crime. And, and, and then the other thing is they get out and they, they want to impress everybody.

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They want to get everything back that they had as quickly as possible. You know, and the truth is, you know, they're not humble. They're not appreciative of being out. They're not. So, so they don't prepare themselves. You know, they want to, get away from prison. They want to get everything they lost back. They want to get even with society.

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They want to, you know, and it's just a major problem, but the guys that you're talking about, they were realistic. And they were appreciative of being out and they prepared themselves to get out. And I'm sure they were willing to live in somebody's spare room and work in McDonald's.

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Yeah, I like that. So I know you're kind of on a on a schedule. You had to pick somebody up from me.

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Well, I appreciate that. Even though it's so funny because I get that all the time. This, you know, wow, you're inspirational. You're this or that. And yet I never try and be inspirational. I'm not like, I don't think I say anything inspirational. I don't think I don't make an effort to be, but yet people continue to say it all the time. And I'm like,

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You know, even my wife is like, she's like, you know, you're inspirational to these guys. You always have positive things to say. And I'm like, I'm not trying to do any of that. It's just for some reason people see my story and it's just happening naturally.

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Um, well, how did the whole thing like you, so you're saying you, you did this for a few years, right? It was what? Three years.

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Got you 45.

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Well, okay. So if you're kind of done, like you're saying you'd kind of moved on from that, from dealing drugs or for drug trafficking, and you'd moved on, then how did they end up

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Well, I hadn't even graduated high school.

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So you, so you went to trial. How long was the trial?

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hey this is matt cox and i appreciate you guys uh checking out the channel i am going to be doing an interview with michael santos and he is the youtube prison professor and he does uh uh videos uh in sorry videos he have podcasts in and that are connected to various prisons and he's got a really interesting story and i'm check out the video so what so listen so you did like

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Had they offered you, did they ever come to you and say, hey, you could get 10 years. If you just plead guilty, we can do 15, 10, 15.

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So, okay. So the question was, did they ever come to you and offer you?

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So let's so you you're found guilty. There's your. You're found guilty. And did you have a second trial? So they charged you again?

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a ridiculous amount of time in prison. And so, yeah. Um, so what, so the, you know, what ended up getting you to this? What was your sentence?

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I was going to say, how long were you there? And you know, what, what's going on?

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Hey, this is Matt Cox, and I am going to be doing an interview with Annie Lobert. She is a former call girl and currently runs an organization called Hookers for Jesus, which I love the name. And it's going to be an interesting interview. I can tell because I can already tell she's a character and check it out.

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Did you stay and...

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In Minneapolis? Did you stay in that area?

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Not really, but I don't know what a Minnesota accent sounds like.

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Kind of like that kind of Canadian. Almost sounds Canadian.

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You're like, what's a pop? This sounds like Fargo.

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Right. So what happened with your friend? She invited you to Hawaii?

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Some of them do. Some of my demographics like between 25 and 55.

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I am. You just said top of your graphic.

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If you needed a fake ID.

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And I was going to Hawaii. This is what she was doing.

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I know that sounds really evil, but... Well, in the 80s, Japan...

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So, I mean, were you back to, so your parents, like, were your parents married? Do you have brothers? Were you raised in my parents?

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Why? Why did he do that?

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What did he do? Many, many things?

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So you can't be an airplane. No, that's an issue.

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Right. Is this what the late 80s by this point?

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And by the time I left him, it was 1992, 91, 92.

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Sounds like pretty insane.

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Are you still with your boyfriend at this point, or you've already left the pimp?

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And so I was engaged to him until... How long had you been seeing the... 2003, 2000, yeah, 2003, 2004.

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Yeah. What, what did you, I mean, what were you doing then? Like, were you still, you know, working as a long, you know what I'm saying? Like, did you get a regular job?

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What about brothers, sisters?

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You had a heart. How old were you?

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Who's funding this?

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And so what do you do? You just, you go out to the strip, you, and you just talk to girls and say, look, there's another way you can get out of this situation.

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Who are these people that are accusing you of stuff?

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So do girls ever get, you know, do they ever come to the house and stay for three weeks and then go back to the street?

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Okay. So go ahead.

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Well, I mean, I'm thinking how to formulate the question is that Right now, this is what you're doing. What led to you have a TV show right now that's on a Christian channel, correct? Is that right?

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How long have you been doing this?

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But were you, how often do you do the podcast?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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These are misdemeanors, right?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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All right. Sounds good.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Is there anything you feel like we haven't covered?

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I was going to say, what led up to that? What is, you know, how old were you when this started? How did it start?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Is there, do you have like a link or a page or?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, I can put that in the description box too.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, we'll definitely, we'll talk.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That sounds great.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Annie, I appreciate it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I appreciate you taking the time to talk to me.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Hey, I appreciate you guys checking out the interview. If you liked it, do me a favor and subscribe to the channel. Hit the bell to get notified of videos just like this. Share the video. Leave me a comment. Like the video. Do all the things you're supposed to do. I really do appreciate it. And I'll see you. Hey, this is Matt Cox, and I'm going to be interviewing Baylin Enriquez.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So you were what was your indictment for?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. Yeah. I always say bank fraud when it's like, I'm not going to, I could list them. Yeah. All right. So, and this was in what year? 2018. All right, so basically you were bringing in, you were like a high-end madam bringing in women to be escorts. I mean, I know you can correct me.

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You know, over the course of what, back when was this, 2010?

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Yes, for about three years. All right. So and you're from Venezuela? No, you're from Ecuador.

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Okay, so you're from Ecuador. You came here when you were 21 years old. Yes. And that was after you'd been going to school.

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So you came to the United States and what was initially what were you doing when you came here?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And I felt like... Is this like an adult or is this another, like a teenager?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What were some of those jobs?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So when did you, and then you had, uh, were you married at that time or?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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All right. And so you got married and then it, how did, how did you eventually get into, um, you were saying, uh, companions, right? You were a companion.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And, you know, like an agency.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So how are you getting clients? Like, I mean, is there a website?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So you're saying, so you explained to me earlier that, you know, you...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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you and the other women call yourselves companions because basically escort being known as an escort has a bad connotation to it it's you're thinking that as an escort you know typically it has some type of there's sex involved but being a companion you were saying a lot of the times you're just you're just going with somebody to dinner or on vacation or that sort of thing

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I mean, I actually, I actually knew a guy when I was locked up, his girlfriend, there was an older guy. He was like 75 years old and he had been retired. His wife had died like, I don't know, 20 years earlier or something. And she basically like they went to Venice for two weeks. They went, you know, she was young. She was late twenties and she's going with him to all these different places.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And she, And, you know, he, he was like, yeah. And I was like, so she's like an escort. He's like, yeah, but she didn't sleep with him. And I was like, what? And he's like, no, he's like, he's 75 years old. It's, you know, he, he goes, she basically just goes with him. And, you know, she, she, she speaks, she spoke a couple of different languages. She, and she traveled with him all over the place.

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And I was like, I don't, I did. I didn't, I, my, why would he's like, I don't know. He's like, he goes, I'm sure she, he would, but I don't know. Maybe he was, I don't think. I don't know. I was going to say maybe she was lying to him, but the guy was 75. He was way older than her.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And he looked at her like a daughter or something, and he wanted someone to be there to hang out with him, to spend time with. I mean, I'm sure a lot of times it's much more than that. But in that case, I just remember him telling me this, and he would, oh, she just got back from Belgium. She just got back from... So, yes.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, so, but at some point you opened your own place. Correct. How did that take place? Well, I mean, I think it's... You're basically running it yourself anyway. You started...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. So I saw on the indictment that there was the photography.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Business was money was being run through the photography.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, I mean, I guess maybe I made that leap because in the indictment, there's like... you know, there's this, this account had 400 and some odd thousand going through it. This account had, you know, whatever, 80,000, this account, like they were showing these different accounts that had money going through them. And it was in the same general area.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So where were the bulk of the women coming from?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. So, so, well, so they're coming in for what, like 90 days and they work for 90 days and then they go back or. Yeah, whatever. Because Juan had mentioned.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Then it's an issue for them to come back too.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So what kind of, like, what kind of money are they making? I mean, what kind of, what's the chart?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Okay. So how long did this go on? Were there any issues?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And the clients are coming from all over the United States. Like the girls are coming from all over the world. The clients are within the United States. Are they in other countries?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And are you, are you like arranging like their flights? I mean, is, are these, and the clients or the clients, the clients are paying your company and then you're arranging everything?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So how are you getting paid? Like if the clients aren't paying you directly, they're paying, they're paying the girls and the girls would go to the bank.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Structuring is when you're trying cash a check, for instance, you try and cash a check.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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under or you get multiple you're getting a payment of over ten thousand dollars and you're pulling cash out but you try and structure it in a way that you can cash out less than the reporting so you do it in small like bits and pieces of uh so you don't walk in and say i need twelve thousand in cash because you know that's going to be a ccr or you know it's going to be a um you know it's going to be a suspicious activity so you say give me five thousand

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And then, and give me a money order for this. And then two days later, you say, give me another 3000 and just try and keep it. You said structuring. Most people don't know what structuring is.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, it's an issue. I know it's an issue. So, I mean, this went on for, like, three years. Like, were there, I mean, did any of the girls get arrested?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So how did that happen?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. So you definitely know it was coming.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It's a license to steal. Yeah. Give me one second. Okay, so today's podcast is sponsored by me. And here's why. We're looking at different ways to kind of generate revenue so that I can do more and more stuff on the YouTube channel and on YouTube in general. One of the things is I have a Patreon account right now.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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We're looking to kind of revamp the Patreon account and get more into it and figure out ways to generate income and more people to... to join the Patreon. We're going to do a tier system and we're thinking about like maybe doing a weekly vlog. So do me a favor and let me know in the comments what you think I should be doing on Patreon or what you'd like to see on Patreon and the channel.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Also, I'd like to also mention real, real quick that one of the ways I generate money and pay my bills is because I do have a degree in fine arts. I paint paintings. Here is Marilyn Monroe, big seller. People love Marilyn. And I have, I have multiple paintings. Like I, I do these, these are modified screen prints. Uh, they sell for two 85 and that includes me shipping them to you.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So it's a straight two 85 and I'll ship it to you. They're super cool. And I appreciate it and let us know. And so I think we're going back to the story. Yeah, it's funny because everybody thinks they're always like, you know, attorneys, they're always, you know, oh, well, I got an attorney. Yeah, but did you get the right attorney? You know what I'm saying?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Give me $25,000. I'm friends with the door, whatever, 50 or whatever. I'm friends with the judge. I'm going to get this quash. It's not going to be a big deal.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It's funny. I've met guys in Coleman that were arrested and they had the same attorney and they would get arrested on like a state charge that was clearly going to go federal. And the lawyer would say, look, I don't do federal. I do state. Give me this much money. I'm going to take care of anything that happens state. I've got you. I've got you. Well, do you think it's going to go federal?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I wouldn't even worry about it going federal because there's no way this is going federal. It's not big enough. But he already knows it's going federal. You're transporting drugs between multiple state lines. You got caught driving over from Georgia to Florida with drugs.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like it's going federal and they're 20 grand and they take 20 grand and they know that two weeks later it's going to go federal. And they go, yeah, I don't do federal. I'm sorry.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, they'll pick you up. I got your release. They'll pick you up. They're going to pick you up on the courtroom steps.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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As you're walking out of the holdover, they're going to grab you.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It's funny, my first attorney I paid, first time I got in trouble, I paid $75,000. And he was like, when I first talked to him, he went over the sentencing guidelines with me and explained to me that when he showed me the guidelines, like he's telling me what this line means, what this line means. He's like, you're right here. That's basically, that's three years in prison plus probation.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I was like, are you serious? Now keep in mind, nothing changed in my case. So give me $75,000 and I'm going to try and get you probation. Give him the $75,000. Now that I understand the sentencing guidelines and I look back and I know what the graph means, I was never facing prison. It was always probation. So he got me three years probation.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But the truth is, I was never, I could have gone to a public defender and gotten probation. I paid him 75 grand. I got three years probation, which I was always facing. But he, I was terrified. Like, I'm ready to give you everything I got to keep me out of prison. And, you know, so, I mean, now I, you know.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Now you know better, and hopefully I never have to talk to another attorney in that position anyway.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, it's bad. It's like, you know, look, it's important to pick the right attorney.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I know a guy one time, his family picked an attorney simply because he spoke Spanish. But the guy actually spoke English, but he also spoke Spanish. So why would you pick an attorney? Who would do that? It's ridiculous. That's what, that was your, I, I did a, wrote a story on a guy named Doug Dodd. His family picked his attorney because his first name was Doug.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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His dad's first name was Doug and Doug's name was Doug. And he said, yeah, you know, it's Doug, Doug, Doug. So I just felt good about him. Oh my God. That's what, and he paid him 40 grand. You paid him 40, you paid me 40 grand because his name's Doug.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So anyway, yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I know a guy that walked around Coleman talking about how he, he had a Dershowitz as his, his attorney. And he did, but you didn't have like Alan Dershowitz. You had like, his cousin was like Tom Dershowitz, who also happens to be like, what are you doing? What are you? Yeah. Well, yeah, but his, you know, he can call him anytime. What are you, what, what are you doing? You know, anyway, um,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So you got grabbed. Did you get probation? I mean, not probation, I'm sorry. Did you get out on bond?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Who are these people that are accusing you of stuff?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What's a nevia?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And you were sentenced.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You don't hear that. You don't hear that a lot.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What did the government want to give you?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, yeah. And nobody's saying it's coercion.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What's reasonable.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, I didn't get bond. When they caught me, I had three or four passports on me.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That's, yeah, that was upsetting.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. So. I mean, I tried to, I've told my mom I'm good for it. I'll be here. I'm not going. I'll be, I'll, no. Okay. So how would you do your time?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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In the detentions? You never went to an actual prison?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. Do you have to register?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, but the sex offender registry

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. So where, um, so how long have you been out?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You're already working. You already have a job working for a law firm and you're on probation and you're doing well.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Did you ever fight? Did you ever follow 2255 or anything?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So they're coming to the United States for 90 days or so, and then going back to Colombia with $30,000 or $50,000 or $60,000, $70,000. I know some of the girls had made like, was it like $80,000? I mean, some of them made a lot of money, yeah. And so they're going back to Colombia with $80,000. That's like... $400,000 or something in the U.S.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Any other questions?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. So, so, but at no point when these guys are contacted, they're not, they're basically contacting him saying, Hey, I need, I need a, I need someone to show up and go to dinner or whatever. They're not calling up and saying, Hey, I need, I need someone to come by my place and have sex.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Could be a cop. But the guy... But they kind of know it's very possible this is where this could lead. Like, I mean...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Are you suggesting that men take women out to dinner and buy them dinner expecting sex? I mean, that's... I'm not going to sit here and listen to that. No, go ahead.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like it's not illegal. It's not illegal to hire an escort to come and have dinner with you. That's not illegal.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So how much money were you making? Like, would you say a year or whatever you're bringing in?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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This is anybody famous?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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We cannot talk about it. But I have to live in Miami.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So what is in general? I mean, I'm sure it changed subtly, but what is an hour cost?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So the women that you're getting, these are are these like, how are they contact? How are you? How are they? They're contacting you or.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So what was your split? If somebody's making $6,000, what are you getting off of that?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So then you're just trying to work in bulk.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Call me. You're all good? Do you want the name of the website again? Okay. All right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Anything else from the peanut gallery?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And obviously... Are you suggesting that a married man... Sorry, go ahead.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I was just going to say, there's a saying, it's like you don't pay a prostitute for sex, you pay her to leave.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Some guy who's making half a million dollars a year at 300 bucks is, is nothing.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I read a memoir where this girl was seeing this guy. And at one point he wanted her to come and meet his family. And it was like, she was like, no, you're not.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, that's not what this is. Like he, in his mind, like to him, the fee was nothing. It was like, he stopped associating the fee with what was really happening. And he suddenly started thinking that it was a relationship. And it's like, it's,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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There are some parts in America where it's legal.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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In Russia, they did a survey of middle school women. It had something to do with sex, like in the world or whatever, just different people's viewpoints of sex. And it was somewhere like in Russia, Ukraine or something, where they actually did a survey of middle school girls. And like 30% of them, when they said, what do you want to do? They wanted to enter the sex trade.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And they were like, Americans have a vastly different idea of sex than most countries do. To them, it was like saying, I want to be a massage therapist. I want to enter the sex trade. This is 14-year-old girls in middle school that are openly saying, this is what I want to do.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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All right. What else are we doing? Is that wrap it up? All right. I appreciate you coming. I drove here and from Miami and I appreciate it. And this is Matt Cox. And if you like the, if you like the podcast, subscribe, hit the bell, the notification bell, like the video, share the video, leave a comment for the algorithm. And I appreciate you watching and see you.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Really? The 54 Studio. Yeah, I don't know. Is it produced movies? That's my guess. No.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, so... I have a question. So at this time, at this point in your life, how familiar are you with this lifestyle that you're about to come into? Like, if that is strange, kind of coming into that party, what's...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. Do you think there is a way for the pathological lover to become self-aware or fix themselves kind of without a tragic event like going to prison or getting in a crash with your kid in the car or whatever?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Is there one like major red flag, like before, let's say you, you meet somebody, you're dating somebody for a few months. Is there like, what are some of the major flags?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'm curious. Sorry, it's just.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I have a few questions. I guess one would be, what are some examples from your own personal life as far as the charming, the gifts? What are some of the things that you experienced that maybe helped you overlook some of these red flags?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Did you have any type of support system while you're going through that? Like did anybody else know about the severity of the abuse?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Last question on this kind of subject. Have you talked to his first wife? Is there any?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Were you able to meet Margot Robbie and kind of train her about how to portray you?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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In the scene of the movie where I believe the butler threw a party and some money was stolen and then someone ended up hanging off the side of the building, did that happen? Is that how it happened in the movie or in real life?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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In the movie, you had an aunt that helped, I guess, launder money. Yes. How accurate and true was that?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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This final arrest, how was it? Were they, like, storming the house, or was it a big thing, or was it kind of... More low key.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Now was Ross Bandale. Was he there?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I mean, the only other question that I'm going to, would lead into is more so like, what are you, I know you've talked about what you're doing now, but where can people find you? Like, are you on social media?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. Really? Yes. Yes.

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I feel good. Is there anything that you would want to touch on or say that you haven't at this point?

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It's an interesting dynamic.

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Yeah. I think Matt is harder on himself than you know, he's like, I don't know, he says, well, you say you don't feel shame. Makes me think that people think, oh, like, he doesn't care. No, I didn't get that sense. I was just curious.

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For sure. And do you think most are, I don't want to say, are they, you think they're aware, like self-aware, like, okay, like I am a bit of a, you know, monster or whatever, or they just think like, this is how it is. And this is, this is, I think, I think it's a mix. Yeah.

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I'm trying to think of how to word it. What do you think makes someone like that? Just their upbringing? Do you think success brings it out more? Yeah, I think it's like anything.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I don't know why you're looking at me.

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Why? It's crazy. It's crazy to me. What do you think would have happened had he hit? What do you think the repercussions would have been? Oh, my God.

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I'm kidding. Yeah, I would be curious on your thoughts on some of that stuff. Look, let me say this.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What is the story? Can you explain the story? Because I'm sure there's people who...

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Right.

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One guy was in a lawsuit with his company, um, like a COVID testing company. Um, and then he, he lost.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That's not really adding much value.

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And then I've edited, I've went back or taken down some videos that I'm like, maybe borderline, because I don't know personally. We had some videos of people just talking about their experience with Cardone. Oh, yeah. Oh, I got something to tell you about that. Yeah, yeah. That was a question I was going to bring up. Yeah, we had several videos. So we had several videos, yeah.

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Yeah, go ahead.

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300,000.

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$80,000.

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He is 66.

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Tim Grover. Michael Jordan's coach, is that?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So how does the average person decipher between, let's just say, the good and the bad players?

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What exactly, for the viewer who may not know, is Baller Busters and what do they do? And also, how are you affiliated with them?

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Okay, so on all these subjects that we've kind of touched on, what are your predictions, I guess, first for, let's go, the United shooter, Luigi? What do you think will happen?

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And I think I know the answer to this. Does, do you think the social media, I mean, it's very rare that you see like support of someone like this. Like, do you think any of that stuff has any effect on what happens on any type of ruling or whatever?

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What do you think will happen with this recent Jay-Z lawsuit?

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Yeah, you're right. So you're right. I'm going to lump all these into one and you can just choose what you think. So we got Hawk to a crypto scam, the West Watson, the Cardones of the world, these type of social influencers. Is there anything that you think will happen to these guys legally?

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So, yeah. Yeah. And then these, I would say, social media entrepreneurs that have, maybe not, I don't know. I feel like most of it's unethical. Do you think any of it is criminal? You don't have to say specifics or whatever you think.

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I feel at a disadvantage. You guys are both on the America's Most Wanted list.

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It was cool for me just because when I first started, I didn't really even start listening to podcasts about two and a half years ago, right before I started, decided to start my own. So a few of the guys, like it was cool putting faces to the names, but kind of like what Matt said, it's all strictly true crime. So like cold cases, individual cases, some of them would highlight missing persons.

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Some of them would do deep dives into one specific thing and all that, but that's what it was. Now they did have some different speakers, uh, Like, I think they had the defense attorney that was going up against Alex Murdaugh. He was speaking in a room. So they had schedules set up on top of what they call podcast row to where people would rotate in and out speaking. So Nancy Grace was there.

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She spoke with a few other people. I won't give my opinion on her.

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Jeffrey, Jeffrey Deskovic. He done 16 years in prison for a crime he didn't commit. And then he got out. There was a documentary, a short documentary made that won some awards. And then he eventually went back to law school, became a lawyer and helped get another guy free who showed up that Saturday. I've had him on the channel as well. He was in jail for 23 years.

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for a murder he didn't commit or two murders actually. And last December was like his first December out. So he was there and I got to meet both. I'd had them both on. I think Matt had Jeffrey on, but that was kind of cool to meet them. So they spoke, you know, for an hour and it just kind of rotated different people. I want to say they had somebody tied into like the BTK killings.

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So it could be a cop that investigated it or a lawyer that pushed for it or something like that. They had a bunch of different stuff you could do.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I did get a coupon code.

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Most men that were there were looked like there was a few that was there because they were into it. But most of them, they were drugged there with their wives.

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Well, I've already submitted to speak for the next year. I submitted for this one, but I think they already had everybody booked up, and I didn't really know about it until about two or three months ago. So it was kind of late in the game. So the contact that I had, I've already submitted to speak for next year.

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And even if I don't get picked up as a speaker, I at least did want a booth and podcast show. Plus, it's in Nashville, and Nashville's a pretty cool place.

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They're very down for you.

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But even in that event, like they had something that was solely for like the podcasters at kind of like in the, the later hours of the day, like from seven to nine or something like that. And I went up there and we had some friends, friends of ours that was there. And it was like, just come up. And I was like, I said, I think you have to be a podcaster to get up here.

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Yes, that's a big difference. They get upset when you confuse the two.

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And he's like, well, just come with us. So I went up and kind of walked in between them and walked straight on in. And this thing was like free food, free drinks, alcohol, whatever you wanted. You know, and I text Matt. I'm like, hey, you might want to come on up here. You know, it's everything. Just giving everything away up here.

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With her or a look?

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No, I mean, they're different hair colors and stuff like that. But the attitude, yes, if that's what she's referring to.

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Oh, so you're looking at, but you're asking about body. I didn't know what you meant. Look, hair color, presence, stage presence. I don't know what you're talking about.

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See, I knew that because y'all order salads when we went out to eat, and I was like, give me the most unhealthiest thing you got on the menu there, wherever that place was.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Or a little vodka. There you go.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I started it roughly two years ago around July. So my two-year anniversary just passed. So that was 2020, I guess, 2021. I don't know. I'm horrible at math. Roughly a little over two years. And when I was talking earlier, I was only planning on doing audio, like doing video and actually interviews never really entered my mind. And I thought about doing a true crime channel.

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Strict like focusing on cases, kind of like what we talked about earlier, but I knew I didn't have the capability to do a good one, like to do good ones, like some of those people that were there. I mean, like they get Freedom of Information Act, like they get, you know, they go deep. And I knew I didn't have the time nor the know how to do that.

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So I was trying to figure out how to kind of brand it to where I could talk about stuff that I knew. And the guy was like, so you want to do true crime? And I'm like, yeah, but also want to do, you know, entertainment stuff like movies and stuff like that. And he's like, so you want to do crime and entertainment? I'm like,

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That's pretty good. That's kind of what it is. So the first like five or six episodes that we did was just straight audio. And then I got a chance to interview Lilo Brancato, who was in The Bronx Tale.

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He was C, if you remember that movie, the older version. Okay. And he had an interesting story, you know, big Hollywood actor. Yeah. You know, top of the world, pretty much had everything given to him, including a lot of drugs. And he wound up getting hooked on the H word and was involved in a shooting with an off duty police officer when I'm going to prison for a while.

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The police officer died as a result of that. And it was it was a crazy story. But like that was my first ever interview that I did. And then after that, it just kind of kind of like anything else, you know, slowly start to build up a little reputation. I would ask people, you know, hey, if you know anybody else who wants to come on. And that kind of started the ball rolling.

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And then I just forgot about audio and haven't went back to it since. It's just been interviews every week.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I feel at a disadvantage. You guys are both on the America's Most Wanted list, and I never – thank goodness I never made it. It's not too late.

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Yeah, pretty quick. I went with him and there was a lot of people that I'd seen. Like the second guy I interviewed and I talked to Matt about him was Brian O'Day. And I remember I seen a show called Masterminds. Right. They used to come on. I forgot what channel, but it used to come on all the time.

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Something along those lines. And it was like people that done, you know, these amazing capers and almost got away with it. You know, usually they all wind up getting called over something very simple. And I just remember that case and I actually had his book. So I just Instagrammed him and, you know, talked to him, told him I was doing a channel. And I was like, you know, would you come on?

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He's like, if you'll do me one favor, I'll come on. He's like, just go to any homeless shelter and make a donation. He's like, I don't care if it's five bucks. He's like, make a donation to like a recovering addict. And I'll do your show. And I'm like, done. And he was my second. And then it just kind of started snowballing from there. And, you know, I've had Tommy Chong on, which was very cool.

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I grew up watching Tommy Chong. Tom Sizemore, the actor that was in like Natural Born Killers and Saving Private Ryan and Heat. He since passed away. So that was kind of weird, like to have somebody on this passed away. You guys, you ever had that, Matt?

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Well, I mean, like some people, yeah, I can see where you wouldn't keep up with him. This guy was a movie star.

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Exactly. It is Monday too, by the way. Let's see.

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Well, Tom was a little different. He was a movie star. So when he went, it was all over TMZ and every news outlet because he was a big motion picture star. Very talented guy. He was. I mean, he battled addictions and he spoke very openly about that.

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He was just like, he said that was the movie business is what drove him because he's like, when you're on a movie, you know, working with Al Pacino, Robert De Niro, Tom Hanks, Steven Spielberg, Michael Mann, like I would never hire anything while I was working. He's like, but then you finish the movie and it's six or eight months before you do another one. Right.

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Great storyteller.

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I'm almost at 6,000, I think. I'm like 5.9 or something like that. And it's grown up a bunch in the last couple of years. Because when I started going on shows, like Matt's was the first show that I'd ever went on. And then I went on Danny's. And then I just done Sean Atwood not too long ago. Yeah. And then I've already done a few more, but those haven't come out yet.

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So, you know, whenever they put theirs out, there's some pretty decent platforms, too. And I don't get mad at people like the one guy I've done probably four months ago. And I've seen him at CrimeCon. He's like, I haven't forgot about you, man. And I'm just like, look, I know how it is. Sometimes I let months go by. I'll forget. I'll forget that I had it, you know. And sometimes it's timing.

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I let things sit for a while. Like I had a lady and I think Matt might've interviewed her, Carol Hellerman, who was in, she was a stewardess on 9-11. She gave a lot of inside information on things that they'd done for 9-11. I probably recorded that interview four months ago, but I saved it until 9-11.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. She has her version of what happened.

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She goes in the airport.

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TMZ didn't come out with that one called the fifth plane.

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I haven't. I've had a few with the conspiracies. I've talked with Ignacio about some 9-11 stuff. And then I had Bill Burns on, who was obviously really big. He was in that show, Ancient Aliens, on the History Channel. And he wrote a bunch of stuff about aliens, some books. I haven't got any kickback.

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Yeah. Those weren't. No, no. The ones that I have to get demonetized are when politics are brought up. So I try to steer away from politics if possible. And if I don't, then I go into it knowing that this video is probably not going to make anything. And then sometimes the porn stars will get demonetized.

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Depending. But even that is like like I'm fixing to drop one here with a chick that's from the Midwest. She calls herself the Midwestern MILF. Oh, yeah. Very talented young lady. Yeah. Her name is Lindsay Rider. And she got pretty graphic on some stuff that she did. And everything went through. Good to go. Fully monetized. No problems.

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I had another one on that was probably the most tamest porn star I'd ever had on. I don't even know if we brought up the business very much. It was more or less just other stuff. And it didn't get monetized. So, again, the rhyme or reason, I don't know if it's a computer program or if it's somebody actually listening to it. I don't know. But some of it don't make sense.

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Do you win the disputes? Most of the time. Okay. Okay. Because usually I very rarely get a video, even sometimes when I do football picks. I think they just maybe label me as like request or review everything this guy puts up. But I do a show every week with a guy named Anthony Arilotta, and we just pick football picks for the week, who we think is going to win. That's it.

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We don't talk about drugs or mob or nothing. It's just straight sports. And when I put it up, it automatically – Not monetized, have to dispute it. And usually those are resolved in a couple of days. Sometimes some of them take up to a week.

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I only do – well, I do one main interview. Me and him are starting to do those once a week. So outside of football season, just one. Now, if it depends, if it's a certain situation or something that kind of fits in with the weekend, I might drop another one. But typically my regular schedule is I drop one a week, usually on Sunday.

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I don't know. I've just I started with Sunday and then every now and again, if I get tied up, sometimes I might not drop it till Monday morning. It's not a set schedule, but for the most part, it's on Sunday around like midday.

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Yeah, because they're going to go to bed or whatever.

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That's part of the entertainment, and depending on what you look at, the guy's background is he was a former mob guy from Springfield area, Massachusetts, and he was a huge bookmaker. So the name of the show is called The Better and the Bookmaker, him being the bookmaker, me being the better.

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They let it go monetized. They do let it. I mean, after review, I haven't had any of those not go. And it was just something to kind of throw in there for football season, just a little something extra for those guys. And it may not be something I continue. It's just something I threw in there for this football season.

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We can go on to the next question if you want to. like the best week I would have had was this week when we went to crime con and we couldn't do one. Cause we usually recorded on Thursdays and I was trying to get down there to Orlando. And I'm just like, yeah, we're going to go on next week and say, well, we had all the winners and everybody's going to believe us. No, nobody wins at that.

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I don't care who you are. If you did, you would just wouldn't be giving them away. You'd be keeping them to yourself.

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I've heard of that happening. Bookies will cut people off for winning. I've heard of that.

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Well, they usually break your legs if you're losing and you don't pay for winning. They just tell you to go somewhere else, take your action. But see, that's the thing. Nowadays, though, that used to be a huge racket for not even mob guys, but anybody. I think every town had a local bookie. But now that's almost getting obsolete because you have all the...

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draft kings and fan duels and you know i think logan paul's even got something now that he's advertising i mean every football game that's you know two or three advertisements where you can go and gamble people are hitting these ten dollar parlays with 15 legs and win right you know 100 grand for risking 10 bucks so everybody's doing it jesus yeah so wade

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So they took your whole channel down for that. I'm sorry to interrupt.

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I've got a ton of those.

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When I first started my show, that's when I realized the views didn't necessarily reflect, or they weren't accurate as far as to watch hours. Because I'd drop a video that was an hour long, and it got 2,000 or 3,000 views. So I'm thinking, all right, well, I should watch it.

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And I had a video one time. I interviewed a guy named Jay Dobbins. who was an ATF agent that went undercover in the Hells Angels. And at the time it was my longest video that I'd ever done, which was around like two and a half hours. So I was thinking, cut it into two parts and, you know, release it that way. Well, I cut it into two parts and then I also wound up releasing the full version.

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should be monetized now and then i go look in the actual watched hours are much much less right and you know and plus too i didn't have a name when i started so i i essentially started from scratch like matt you know had a name people at least knew who he was and you know i'd never been on anyone's show when i come on so i had to start from zilch but i used those uh i used facebook to

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and all of the groups that I was in for like mob related content and Sopranos related content. I interviewed like six people off the Sopranos TV show. So when I would get those and I would cut the clips up, I would share that to all those groups. So you're talking 30 something groups.

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I would share clips from anybody that was in anything with Sopranos or anybody that was in anything with the mob or anything related to that. So it got it out there. And that's really how I kind of done it to start with. And then I started doing things outside of just, I didn't want to get boxed into just the mob stuff. So then I started doing, you know, drug smugglers and everything else.

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But that's kind of how I helped do mine. And I still do that to this day, depending on what, you know, it may be used for Facebook as a advertising tool. Right.

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I was doing them in the beginning. And then somehow or another, I got locked out of my password or locked out of my account because I had like mine, my personal. And then I had the one for the show. And then I got locked out of the one for the show. Couldn't figure out how to get back in it. Didn't feel like starting a new one and redoing them. So I was just like the hell with it.

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And then finally, I just sat down one day, figured out what it was, figured out how to get back into it. And then, yeah, you actually kind of gave me some pointers on how to do better shorts.

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So they let the first part monetize, demonetize the second part, and then let the full one also get monetized. So I'm like, it's the same fucking video. I don't understand it. Like the same exact video, but you demonetize the second thing. And then sometimes the shorts will do the same thing. It'll be a short from a video that's good, but they won't let the short go through.

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Don't go casino on me over here. See, that's the one thing about my people. Seth? Seth?

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Yeah. Well, I know you all had breakfast one morning. We had dinner the first night.

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And everybody assumes that it is because they see like Rogan. I'm like, bro, Rogan's numbers are nowhere near what I'm doing. Right. Everybody has this big misconception that if you're on YouTube and you're interviewing people, you're making like thousands of dollars. And I'm like, no, that's not how it is. No.

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It's not, but like Matt said, though, if you got something you want to push, if you got a book or if you have a movie coming out, whatever the case, you know, anything, if you have a website or you're selling something, or if you have your own podcast, right. It's good to go on channels like him and get exposure. And that's, you know, what I did.

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Plus, you know, with the story that I had, he was the first guy I ever went on and told to, and I flew down. I think I got tickets that black Friday had breeze airline tickets for 25 bucks for, uh per way so it was like 50 bucks to go to tampa and i think i paid 30 each way for my bag so i paid more for my bag to fly down there than i did right right but yeah i was like i can't you know

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But it's only been the last 500,000 views. Yeah, you can do that.

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And see, that's the hard part about me is this isn't my I have a day job. So I get off at 430 in the afternoon, come home, hop in the shower. And then usually I try to schedule about two, maybe three a week. And like you said, sometimes that even falls apart. And then then on top of that, still got it. I need like an intern that just wants to edit shit and work on it and.

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We'll do it for free to just say, hey, I work with that guy.

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Or get him some air time. Put him on air. We'll interview him.

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Oh, yeah, yeah. We get into that kind of money. But at the same time, when I have a short, luckily I saved all the shorts from even the very first show. So going back, I already have kind of a mental idea of what I want to put in there with it, what stills, what's going to work, what area.

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So I also am the type of guy where I don't know if I would trust someone else to do it like I like it or how I want it. So it's better that I do it. I just don't have like sometimes I'm just I don't get into bed till 1230, one o'clock and I get up at five. So I just I mean, it's exhausting, but I do enjoy it. Like the editing sucks, but I enjoy doing the interview.

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Right. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah, I do enjoy it.

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Yeah. Yeah. I'm working. I'm working. You think I like doing this? I had to tell her too. She's like, you're leaving again. You're going to Orlando. I'm like, it's for work. She's like, or where's Orlando and all that doesn't go together for work.

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Yeah, you might as well just stay.

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Yes. So, Matt, I got a question for you. So like the ones you've done for me of Anthony and you mix in the clips from Goodfellas, I was always worried that that would be like a copyright strike. But on Shorts, you don't have to worry about that.

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So there's people out there that make full blown channels of just recycling clips from TV shows. Like Sopranos is another one like that.

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Yeah. Legally stealing. You're jonesing over. I can see it. Yeah. Legally. You're taking that and you're just putting sometimes it ain't even a full minute. Might be 30 seconds. Right. Clips of shows.

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Yeah. It's just little instrumental sounds that, you know, but that's what you, that's what I use on all mine. And most of them is the same, depending on the tone. Like if it's something kind of sinister, you know, it's a different one, but if it's something upbeat, you know, it's a little something else, but yeah, that's all I, nobody really pays attention to the music or what it is. Right.

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So do you tell your guests sometimes to try not to get too descriptive when it comes to drugs or certain things? Because I've never done that.

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Yeah. And you can see it, I think. I think I've seen one the other day. It was like, you got a subscriber from a short, from TikTok, I think.

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On TikTok or the shorts? YouTube shorts.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I've seen, I've had a few of those made a couple of bucks.

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So do you use the same videos from the other accounts? Like if your account gets banned or taken down like the first one, can you reuse all those videos for the new one?

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They don't appreciate, you know, you find Matt Cox craft. Right.

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And obviously, we're not Joe Rogan. But I mean, Rogan used to get higher all the time when he was doing his stuff on YouTube.

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Um, I had, I don't know if you guys are wrestling fans or familiar with the wrestling, but there was a wrestler called the Godfather back in like the, the attitude era, you know, early nineties, mid nineties. And his gimmick was, he was like a, I guess a pimp. He would come out with the girls and all that. And like his little taglines would be like, roll a fatty for this pimp daddy and all that.

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That's what I've started doing too. And I kind of took that cue from you when I made the short, because I never could figure out with the shorts because it has that zoom in like, and the way my layout was on the, on the zoom, it's never like centered on one person. So I, Matt, it kind of explained to me how you had to change the, you know, whatever proportion or whatever it is in DaVinci.

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I use DaVinci resolve for all my editing. And you just basically had to stack two videos on top of each other and then kind of change around the, the zooming and set it up how you want it. And that's, that's how I started doing it. And it works real well. And I do up under the 59 seconds. That's like, he said, you can do a real, you know, a Facebook or Instagram, put a same one on all three.

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Now, some of them for TikToks, I will go a little longer. It's like the story's a key part. Like we had I had Tara Newell and she was down there at CrimeCon also. And she was telling the story. That's the Dirty John. I don't know if you ever seen that. All right. Yeah. The TV shows. OK, so she was like in detail describing the attack in the parking garage.

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I just couldn't get all of that in a minute or under in 59 seconds. So that one I couldn't make a short out of, but I did put it on Facebook and TikTok and Instagram because you can go longer than that. So some cases I'll put them over like that.

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The first video I ever had that got a lot of shares, a decent amount of shares, was there's a haunted house that got pretty popular that this guy was doing to where basically they could touch you. They could... I don't want to say torture, that might be the wrong word, but pretty close to it.

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They could physically take you, duct tape your hands down, put you in a tub, dump ants or scorpions on you. It's pretty wild. And it's called McKamey Manor. There's a very creepy trailer that they have out there for it. They're ramming rotten eggs in these people's mouths. Supposedly, if you can make it through this house, you get $25,000.

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No, nobody's ever made it through. And it's not designed for you to make it through. And that's what Russ was even saying. He's like, he didn't want to do the interview for a long time. Like I had to beg him. He's like, I don't like doing lives. You have to talk to people. I'm like, this isn't live, bro. It's just me and you. People take out what I say out of context.

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I'm like, I will send you the interview. And then you say, hey, this is good. So I finally convinced him to do it. And he's like, you know, I don't even charge people to do this. It's not like they have to pay a fee. And he was like, he even makes them do like a psych evaluation. He makes them do a physical. And he tells them straight up, like, you really don't want to do this.

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But yet people still do it. And obviously nobody's ever went through. And he's like, you know, when they get in there and they realize they got to pull one of their fingernails out, they go, you didn't tell me I had to pull a fingernail out. And he goes, yes, I did. There's a 50 page waiver that you signed to do this. And he's like, Page 33, it says may have to pull a fingernail.

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Well, he's since retired, but he's a very cool guy. And I had him on the show and he's a huge advocate for, you know, we CBD everything and all through like the episode, he would just, you know, light up and take a pop, but that's what he does on his Instagram account and all the time. And they let that go.

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And that's the part that I pulled up and I woke up the next morning. It had like some ungodly number of shares and all these comments of people saying, oh, he's just torturing. I mean, just crazy, crazy shares.

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Oh, that's when I put it up was Halloween. That's exactly when I put it up. Have you tried to come on?

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Not since then, no. I probably need to redo it.

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Recycle, yeah, for sure. That would be a good one. He's not done a lot. He doesn't do a ton of interviews. He's real selective.

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No, he does do a lot. That's the thing. He said women make it further than most men. Like he has a Facebook group that he's pretty selective in who joins it, but they will go live when somebody tries to do it. And so like you start with, they basically, I don't say kidnap, that's the wrong word, but you're basically like, he tells you a spot to be, This van pulls up.

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They throw, like, a bag over your head. They throw you in a van, and then it just starts. So it might start them putting you in this mud puddle. I mean, just all kind of crazy stuff. You just Google McKamey Manor and watch some of the stuff.

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sorry blue my boy blue um yeah uh okay yeah he's like okay all right yeah no yeah i've never never ever would i do it and i had a friend of mine that like tried to sign up to go through it and i forgot the reason they give them but like they are very selective in who they love is this the guy in tennessee is this this guy yes russ mccain yeah yeah Yeah, that's him. Yeah, I read about it.

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Oh, yeah, that's all I did was read about it for sure. I damn sure wasn't going to do it. Yeah, it took a lot of like jawing at him to get him to do it. He was real reluctant.

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Yeah. Well, but he's pretty both, both. Okay. Yeah. I mean, he's, he said he started, I want to say he was in the Navy and he just loved Halloween. So he would decorate like parts of the submarine that they were on, like these things. And it just kind of grew. He wasn't torturing people then. That part kind of grew. Originally, I think it was in San Diego, if I'm not mistaken.

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So I've never, I've never told anybody not to get too descriptive on that, but kind of like what Matt was talking about. I had an episode with Ignacio Esteban and we started doing serial killer. We were going to do like one a month and just highlight a serial killer. And we'd done a guy named Albert fish and, And some of the things, like, I don't even want to even get close.

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And then it got relocated to the Tennessee area or wherever he's at now. But yeah, that's the guy.

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I think the last time I spoke with him, he was in talks with Eli Roth. to do some sort of like deep documentary dive about the house. Eli Roth, if any of you don't know, was the guy behind all like the hostile movies and a lot of the torture movies. And they were in talks to do something. I don't really know where that got to or where it stands, but I know they were in talks to do something.

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And I had reached out to him, I think last October about coming on and doing another one. And, you know, we went back and forth and it was just, he was just really hard to convince to do it.

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Because he does have a lot of people that just claim that that's all he is, is like a torture lover. I don't know whether it's sadomasochistic or whatever that name is.

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That's what it is. But there's documented proof you do it a lot. That's the thing. This guy's head's like in a cage, and they just drop like these scorpions down. And I'm just like, no, not like that.

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I don't even like being near a palmetto bug or anything like that.

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Matt, question for you. So whenever you're doing, how many interviews do you do? You said you schedule like five a week?

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But how many do you actually drop a week?

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Wow. So it's week to week finding people.

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See, that's what I'm scared of. That's why I haven't bumped. Well, to start with, I don't have enough time to edit shit like that, but I'm always scared of running on a dry route. So that's why I only really do one a week. And I probably got about 25 saved up. You have 25 saved up?

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No, no. He was like an older guy. He done unspeakable things to people.

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Not your friendly neighborhood serial killer. Okay, he was dommer, but worse, if that makes sense. Yeah, he was dommer, but worse. And I was just like, yeah, this is probably not going to go. And it went through. I was totally shocked. They even let the short go through, which was very descriptive. I figured that would get reported, if anything. Yeah, they let it go through.

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You can burn 45 minutes just to get to the story.

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When I done your show, I wasn't sure like how long you were shooting to go. And I didn't ask because I usually tell told my guests like, you know, I don't like keeping people longer than an hour because I know people have stuff they want to do. But you care about people. But I'm not just going to cut you. We're in the middle of a good story and you're rapping.

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So I'm not going to be like, all right, time's up. Come back next week. I'm going to let you finish. But I don't like to go too much longer than that. I would love to if they wanted to.

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Like Tommy Chong was like a perfect example, especially I know he's a busy guy. So he was at like an hour and 15, 20, and I'm trying to close it up. And he just kept going and kept talking. I'm just like, well, I'm going to ride it. If he's going, I'm going. And, you know, he kept going. So some people I think are, they try to keep it around an hour.

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I, me personally, like if I'm doing only, I think when I went on Atwood, that was the longest one I ever done. We went three hours.

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And he didn't even speak for the first two hours.

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A little over 200,000 on Danny's like two Oh one or two Oh two. Yeah. I remember after you dropped it, you would send me like, I mean, I would look at it too, you know, periodically, but he would just be like 15,000. The next two days later, 20,000. A couple days later, $30,000. He's like, this thing's got legs, bro. And it was just going and going and going.

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Some dude out there, that was like the funniest comment. There were some good comments, but one of the funniest ones, it says, this guy's beard along with Matt's hair is the most unstoppable combination ever made.

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So I don't understand the algorithm, man. I really don't.

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I do. I absolutely do.

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That's like the biggest way to help. I noticed huge influxes when I went on Matt's and Danny's.

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Yeah. I agree with that.

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Well, that's the cool thing about mine. I don't know when you started your podcast, but like mine, I started the show in the middle of my ordeal. It was kind of like my coping mechanism. So I'm able to interject that as the story progresses because that's when it started. Oh, wow. in the middle of COVID, but nobody was doing anything.

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And that's when I started getting the idea, well, I might try my hand at this. So it's kind of part of the story because it was, that was a therapy, I guess, in a way, even though I wasn't talking about my stuff, I was talking to other people because I was a very outgoing person. So to be confined home, you know, for a while was not easy. So that was a good outlet.

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So like one week it would be, you know, somebody like Tim McBride, who was a drug smuggler. The next week it may be, you know, a guy that was in the mob. The following week it may be an ATF guy that went undercover in the Hells Angels. Then it might be an actor. Now this actor more than likely probably played a mob guy or something along those lines.

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And it would just kind of bounce. And then I've gotten to the point now where I try not to put out like the same exact same thing back to back. So I'll do, you know, maybe somebody from law enforcement, then a mob guy, then a movie star, then a porn star, whatever, you know, and just kind of mix them all in there. Then we've had some comedians on. We've had some wrestlers on.

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So it kind of encompasses everything. We've had writers on to people who've written about crime. So it's always related to, you know, one or the other. And, and Brett, I'll say this, that would work out great for you because if you're doing solo shows, you wouldn't have to worry about having an interview every single week.

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Cause you could always just fill in you talking about, you know, one thing or another.

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I don't do solo shows. I don't feel like I'm that interesting for someone to do a solo or just tune in and listen to me. Well, you know, Matt and I were narcissistic.

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Gil, I seen that the other day. I watched that Netflix show.

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But I agree with you, Matt, about that, because sometimes I'll do a video and I think maybe it's just because it's interesting to me and that don't necessarily relate to my subscribers. Right. But I'll think, man, this video was so good. I know it's going to do well. And it doesn't like one of them that sticks out.

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I interviewed there was a docu series on Netflix called Bad Sport, and it would highlight different like. I don't want to say tragedies, but debacles in sports. And one of them was the guy that was kind of the mastermind behind the Arizona State point shaving scandal from like the mid-90s. And I got the guy who had the bookie in his pocket that had Stephen Smith throw all these games.

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It was fantastic because – He was – Stephan was betting with the campus bookie. And Stephan at the time was like the hottest basketball player in college. And he's into the bookie for like 15, 20 grand. He can't pay it. So that guy calls up – I think his name is – I forget it. Joe – His name escapes me right now, but Joe something. He's in Chicago and he's like, hey, I got Joe Gagliano.

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That's his name. He's like, hey, I got a fix. And with that, they masterminded. OK, you fix. I want to say it was two basketball games. You don't have to lose the game. Just don't cover the spread. And it went well. They pulled it off. No problem. And then the guy had some money in his pocket. He wants to bet on himself against I want to say it was LSU.

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Of course, the guy's like, I let him bet because worst case scenario, I've already made, you know, half a million dollars. He only wants to bet 20 grand. If he wins, I give him 20 grand. If he loses, I know I got him on the hook for a third game. Right. He lost. He got a third game out of it. Now, by then, they're starting to attract attention.

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They're moving the Vegas lines when they play and they can't just walk into one casino and bet a huge amount of money. He's telling the story to where they have to go to Vegas, two or three guys. His dad was like a bunch of people. They all got to go to 15 different casinos and bet 10, 15 grand a piece. So it doesn't attract all this action going on the one guy or one team.

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And the first two games were perfect because it was around the Superbowl. All the big money was on the Superbowl. Nobody was paying attention. The other ones that started to attract a little bit more attention. And they did a fourth game. And apparently in the middle of this fourth game, they were losing.

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And the Secret Service like came in at halftime and was like, look, we know something's going on. We don't know the particulars. But if you don't come out and play like you're supposed to come out, there's going to be a lot of investigation going on. Wow. They come out and, like, blew the fucking doors off the team they were playing. Everybody lost money.

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So he lost 75% of what he had won, you know, over the course of the other three games. And then eventually, like, I won't even say it might have been a year later. It wasn't, like, immediately. All of them did wind up getting busted. One of the guys that was on the team – He was either on the team. He was involved in it somehow. He gave up seven, and then that all led back to everybody else.

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But that guy, he was – that cost him his going pro. Wow.

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I mean, it done good, but not what I thought it was going to do.

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I thought – I mean, it was great. It was like one of my most – like I was just – I was glued to it. And I was happy that he come on because I didn't – when I see stuff like that on TV and those stories interest me, that's when I kind of become like a little mini P.I., You know, I'll go try to track him down.

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And then I found out he actually had his own podcast, but it's not anything related to what we do. He wrote a book and it was called No Gray Areas. And that's his podcast name is No Gray Areas. So I was able to track him down and he agreed to do it. And then in turn, he was like asking me, like, how are you growing your audience? What are you?

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So I was able to kind of I was like, I'm not the best person to ask, but I kind of told him what I told you. I was like, I just. Promote wherever the particular interview fits. So like mob guys and mob groups, Sopranos and Sopranos groups. I had a guy that was on the Friends TV show, put that in the Friends groups.

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A lady from Sons of Anarchy, put that in all the Sons of Anarchy, because those groups have 300,000 people in them. Right. So that's a lot of eyeballs that, you know, one little short might not reach.

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And, but he come on and told a fantastic story. And I just, to me, it was great. I guess the other people maybe didn't find it that interesting. I don't know. But like, like he said, sometimes you just have one, my porn stars got the highest views out of everybody, like almost 50 something thousand views.

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That's the underwater recovery people or whatever. Yeah. I got them on the line. Nice.

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He does it for free. Yeah. He doesn't even charge. I asked him, I was like, so is this something you just kind of started and it became your full-time job? He's like, no, we do it for free. I'm like,

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I don't know if I'm diving down there and doing that for free, but... It's not even like you started as a hobby, like you're just snorkeling and you found a Buick in the bottom of the room.

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Well, that makes for the better episode. Do you do any research at all on guests before they come on?

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Yeah, like Rogan's now, his videos on, like if you go to Spotify and play his podcast, a video will actually play just like YouTube.

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He obviously didn't research you very much. Wrong guy.

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Yeah. Trusting. We know who he did research for sure before he sent you all that info. I used to do that heavy in the beginning, though. I would research probably way in it. It sounded very scripted. It was scripted. I had certain questions I wanted to hit. And then I had one set up and I interviewed a guy who was on The Sopranos, but he was an actor. He's been in a bunch of other stuff.

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And like I asked like the first couple of questions and then I just never went back to it. And we had like a general conversation. And that was when it finally clicked of like, OK, it's better like this. Let them dictate it and then just flow with it. The only problem is every now and again, sometimes you get a guest that don't understand what you're doing.

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And so when you ask a question, OK, well, what all did that entail? We just did this. I need a little bit more than that. You got to give me a little bit more. You know, they're very short with the answers. So in those cases, it can be hard.

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Do you get most of your people now, Matt, to just reach out to you through email? Like you're not to the point to where you really go searching for people now, right?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Now, did you do that on your own? I have Buzzsprout. That's who distributes all of my audio. But they don't have the capability of doing the video there. They only do audio.

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Yeah, that was like my biggest problem in the beginning was finding guests. And then two, not having an established channel. A lot of people I think were reluctant to come on because nobody wants to give up an hour of their time for someone that most people, and you guys probably know this, that decide they want to start a podcast.

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If they're not really invested in it, they think it's all fun and games. And then once they realize it's a little bit of work involved, they might do it for a month and then it just goes away. Right. So I understand people don't want to give a whole lot of time if you're really new. And that was my biggest struggle.

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But once I started getting, you know, a little bit of a track record, that was like my email. Hey, I'd love to have you on. I've had this name, this name, this name, this name. And it would kind of give them, OK, well, maybe this guy's got a little legwork about him. But I had to do it all myself. And people were like. how are you getting these guys? You have an agent.

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I'm like, well, you know, it's a real complicated process. I open up the Instagram app and I just type up a little message and hit send. And sometimes they reply back. Sometimes they don't. You'd be surprised even how many people will actually reply to those. And I'm talking like guys that were prominent stars and TV shows and stuff like that.

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Most of them through Instagram, just a little chat back and forth here, there, yonder. And it don't hurt that I'm a fan of their work either. You know, they can tell who's a fan and who's not, who don't have a clue what they've done. And I'll throw out a movie name that, you know, the average fan might not know. Like, for instance, I had Robert Lozardo on.

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And he's a Mexican actor who's been in everything. He's been acting since like the early 80s with Richard Pryor. And he was in The Mule with Clint Eastwood. If you've ever seen Nip Tuck, the show Nip Tuck. So he was the guy, Escobar. Right, right, right.

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There the whole time that was making the girls smuggle like the drugs inside there, you know, and he was in there through the majority of that season. And I had him on. And I mean, it was just he could bounce through all these movie stars that he worked with. I mean, he worked with everybody. He's got like 200 film credits. And he was in the last movie that Tupac was in.

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So I made a short with that because he was like, you know, the last time that I saw Tupac, the scene he was laying, you know, shot dead in the movie. And he's like, two weeks later, I get a phone call that he was shot in real life. And he's like, that was my last image of him on set because he had to walk in there and find him. And he was like, that was my last image of him.

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All right. See, I might need to look into switching. I go through Buzzsprout. It's pretty easy, man. And in the beginning, I wasn't even thinking I was going to do videos. So I just went to straight Buzzsprout for all audio. And then the video kind of came about. And, you know, now this is late in the game. I don't know all the details as far as switching hosts. Do I keep everything?

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And then two weeks later, you know, he's, you know, that happened to him in real life.

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Yeah. You have to, sometimes you have to work on that direct indirect approach. So, so what happened now again, kind of politely bring them back to it. And I'll take this opportunity, Brett, I'd love to have you on my show too.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And that's how I was done folks. Cross collaboration.

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I hope to never find out anything about it.

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Matt, I'll tell you this quick story before we hop off here. My boss asked me this week, he was like, did you go up to CrimeCon? I said, yes, it was pretty cool. He said, did you meet up with that Matt Cox guy? I said, yes. As a matter of fact, we did.

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We had dinner and I showed him some of the pictures and I was like, if you're a fan, bro, I'll get you just write down your social security number and everything and give it to me and I'll pass it off to him. He's like, oh, no, no.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. Sounds good, man.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I don't I don't understand what that would do.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I usually have a little regular intro that I'm not even a part of. It's just an intro for the show. That's right. Just tack it on to the front and let it roll. There you go.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'll just take this file.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Cause that's funny.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yo, I'm doing video now.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, because, I mean, that recently became a thing, I guess, not too long ago. Maybe when Rogan switched over somewhere around those lines. And I contacted Buzzsprout and asked them, could I do that? And they said, unfortunately, with their capabilities, they couldn't. It was just audio. So I have all the video. It would be easy to do.

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I just don't know, being that, like, if I pulled my account from Buzzsprout and moved everything to Anchor, like, what would happen? You know what I'm saying? I don't know. I don't know.

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I'll have to find out.

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Yeah, these guys got media passes, and I'm up here paying full price like a peasant.

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It was probably 100, yeah.

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This is real tough.

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700 shares.

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You gotta figure that out.

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Right.

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Hm, that's a bad idea.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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i would be worried about it too that seems justified that seems like a reasonable that was why he called us yeah that was why he called us that's that's the only reason he called us and then my mom was like well he he really must love us you know what i'm saying all right mom you

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. So I bought like two shirts the other day, and they're like, okay, so we do like a show and tell, like a haul.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And now she looks at me and she's like, right?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Let's do it, brother. Damn, that's a stark contrast, man. Sorry. Let's go, brother. Let's go. Hold on. Let me take a drink first. Yeah. All right, man. Let's go.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Interest rates play a big part. I had that underwriter right where I wanted it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, in Salem. So they had these people saying who... That's Massachusetts.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, so it wasn't a thing. It was like, okay.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Motherfucker.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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She's doing the right thing. Let's face it. And she was. She was doing the right thing. You know, so. For some reason.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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From the towers. Yeah. This is like previews. Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Boom.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like, oh my. But if you had. Oh my Lord. If you read that article, you'd be like. Like Matthew Cox was like, like pew pew and fools.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. Like what's up y'all? Two fucking. Let's do this. You want some? Duct tape to my hands. Yeah, for sure.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, he goes, you know that blood slippery, you know? And I'm like, no, I don't know. Stop telling me these stories.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That fool snitched on me. He did that. He did that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I wanted to cry, bro. I'm so appreciative. Like, really, dude, you know me. His wife comes on board, and she's like, bro.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, of course, because you have a million people on your platform.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I don't give a fuck if you're innocent or not. I'm telling you right now, you're found guilty. And I can prove you're innocent. They'll convict you just because you can't say, you can't even say you're. Because here's the thing. If he gets on the stand, they can then bring up all of that stuff.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So what happened? You eventually start your own company or you went, yeah, I know you went somewhere else. I know you went to New York for a while, right? Didn't you go back to New York?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. You're done. I'd take a plea. Look, like I said, if right now the DEA came in and said, we've indicted you for four kilos of cocaine, and I've never seen cocaine, and they don't even have the cocaine, I wouldn't go to trial.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Probably at 10 years, I'd probably risk child. I'd do 10. You're crazy. You would do 10? I'd do 10 because, well, I get the drug program.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I did 13. But the first 10 years was the hardest. Those last three years, they sailed by.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They're going to get three guys that are going to sit on the stand and say he was involved. I can't get on the stand. I go on the stand and be like, Mr. Cox, how many times have you been in prison?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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We've got four of your victims that are ready. Four of my victims? I'm here for fucking cocaine that I've never seen.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, he did it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It's over. It's over. You just got to take a plea at this point. At this point, I'm at their mercy.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. So, I mean, I totally get that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What? No. I probably, what is it?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And he never knew that you knew Anthony.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, listen, this, the story was in, uh, this, it was in, um, uh, the Atlantic magazine. Like they reopened the investigation. They called the detectives. They've, you know, fuck it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So, you did your three, like what happens? You do your sentence and then... Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, he, I mean, we met in RDAP. We were both taking the drug program. We met, I wrote a story on him. It's on my website. And we're, Well, we were in negotiations with a production company to do a documentary, but that kind of fell through. Yeah. And at this point, you know, you got... You got... Did you get out a little bit before me?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, yeah. We were basically about the same. Oh, yeah. And so... Yeah, you got out. No, no, you got out a little bit after me because you were still in the halfway house when the magazine article came out, right?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, so he got a few months. So I got out in early 2019. When did you get out?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So late 2019. Okay. So, so he got out. So, um, and then, and then you started, uh, you started what you started flipping houses or something, right? You got out and started flipping houses and now you're doing some real estate stuff.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What happened to the app where you were developing for the to check out companies? You're gonna do that?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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There was an app. You showed me the app that researches companies.

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Hey, I appreciate you guys watching. If you like the video, do me a favor. Hit the subscribe button. Hit the bell so you get notified of videos like this. Leave me a comment in the comment section and share the video because it absolutely helps. Uh, we're going to leave all the links to the, the lotto net. Well, we're to the license.

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We're going to leave a lot on one, another link to the, uh, the actual promotional little video. It's kind of cool. It's super cool. Actually, if you're interested in being a guest on the show, uh, we have a form that you can fill out. There's a link in the description. Uh, also if you want to read the story on Vitaly, uh, It's called Atonement, and it's on my website, InsideTrueCrime.com.

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I really appreciate you guys watching. Thank you. See you.

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I told Colby, you said you were actually living in your car, showering at the fucking gym, the whole thing.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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When I started working at this place, Eagle Landing, I was two car payments behind. I used to park my car down. I used to park it like a couple of buildings away from where my apartment was because I thought they're coming to get it. At some point, Ford's going to want their truck back. Did they get it? No, they didn't because I ended up closing a loan. But I mean, the pressure to close that loan.

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Yeah. I closed the loan. I got the money. I caught it up. But there were months. It was a month. And my mortgage payment. Listen, by the time I got to a position where I was making some money, I couldn't do anything with it. Nobody would lend me any money. I've been late on my mortgage payment, late on my car payment. My credit cards are behind. So, I mean, I know.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, I didn't stay in my car, but I'm damn sure wasn't far from it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, he goes and starts his own place and you start sending him people until eventually you've got a large enough business to leave yourself.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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This girl, Alicia. Yeah, you were dating?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Okay. So you were there for... What happened? So you come back to Florida? Yeah. Start your own place? Start another place? Or go to work someplace else? Or did you just stay at the same place?

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Just that now you're, now you're on your feet. Right. You can.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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In commission. Right. So just for context, like after 2008, like the financial crisis, right? Like the stock market, like everything, a lot of stuff's going to shit. Yeah. But one of the big things, so one of the things was that A lot of companies were going under, but a lot of companies are starting and somebody has to get that money. So somebody has to come up with the money.

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If I got a startup and I need $5 million, who do I go to to get that money? Where do I raise that money? And that's what these guys were doing.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They were going under left and right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. So now you have to come up with the proposals, the pitch, you have to get them to give you money and then they have to wait.

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you have to wait the companies they're doing this they're doing that they're releasing a place they're doing this now it's a long-term strategy that you may not be getting money back for years like spacex right they were founded in 2002. yeah it's just more and more money getting dumped in dumped and dumped in but if it does hit yeah yeah then the windfall is massive

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Right. So, all right. So you move in there, you hire a bunch of guys. What happened? Is this where Michelle, is this Michelle Braun or is that a little later?

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what kind of cars i was a little over the top what would you have i mean yeah i mean i mean i've got the picture i got pictures on the on the website like i've seen the cars would you have a lamborghini a ferrari it's weird because those those kinds of things they they kind of they i don't like like now now now they're they embarrass you now but it was but at 20 at 19 years old it impressed you enough

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yeah that you dropped everything moved into your car and hung out for four months to make that happen but now you look back but i think i think it's like and i i get into this all the time i don't know i'm sure you never watch any of my stuff but I get in this all the time, but like, you know, it's what, what was so important, you know, in my twenties and thirties.

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And then, you know, then I, I just, I do equate it to go into prison. Then I go to prison and you're living on nothing for years and you're okay. You know, it sucks for the first three months. It's like you're trying. I'm trying to think about how to kill myself. But, you know, like, how can I do it? So when does the guard come? What will I use?

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You know, but three, four months, then you start, you know, your expectations of life hit rock bottom. And then you start enjoying just little things.

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Right. So now looking back, seeing how I behave.

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Looking back 20 years, 20 years ago and seeing how I behaved. I'm like, it is, it's embarrassing. I'm like, fuck.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But the people that watch this want to know. So you're driving a Lamborghini, you're driving a Ferrari, you're dating.

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I got pictures on the internet. Pictures of the house. I got pictures. I got a picture of him, Colby. I got a picture of him in front of, I want to say it's either a Lamborghini or is it two Ferraris or something like that? And you're in front of your house and you're like this. And they're both behind him with the four-car garage or something. It's like a...

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mediter two-story huge mediterranean he he picked up on the cheap he's like oh i got that cheap for like two and a half million like cheap for two and a yeah yeah the guy was going under and i swooped in and i was like and he's sitting there like yeah like this was a couple of americans behind him but now he's like it was it was doing okay i was doing all right i was getting by

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So you open the place. Michelle Braun. It's basically moves in. I mean, I know you had like a year or a few years before Michelle Braun came in.

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I start raising capital. Your guys are calling investors saying, hey, we got a new company. Here's what we need. Put in $100,000, $200,000. Something's definitely wrong.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And that whole thing. So what happened with that? Who is Michelle Braun?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So Heidi Fleiss, just for anybody who's watching, there was a chick, because Colby didn't know. And people that watch this aren't old like me. um well they are so there was a chick named heidi fleiss she was like a lemonade stand yeah so heidi fleiss was like the the madam to the stars in hollywood and when she went under Um, that was just as the internet was kind of like taking root, right?

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Like people started using the internet. And so Michelle Braun came in as Heidi Fleiss went to prison, Michelle Braun came in and started all these websites and took over the clientele. And, and then some of.

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uh heidi fleiss's uh you know the the vacuum that heidi fleiss left and so michelle braun was was she took it to the next level yeah she definitely she had like uh saudi princes and uh russian oligarchs and uh you know and she would cater to like their their fantasies the hollywood crushes and all that stuff and she yeah i got up and i got all these i got pictures of her on the site with she she's with uh is it charlie sheen she's with i have her with um

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Is it Nicolas Cage? Like she's got all his photos with like all kinds of people. Mickey Rourke. Mickey Rourke. When he was, you know, when he had a career. You know, I'm sure he's a nice guy. So anyway, so what happened? So anyway.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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John Boyle, he was like a well-known guy, right?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And then- What are you driving?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So it's kind of like a family name in the area.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. So you go down there?

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I mean, it was... I was going to say, it... So... Like from your perspective, I get that you're, you know, that it's like this fucking, you know, but from looking at it from the outside, like it is slick. It is good. When you explained it to me, like I got like goosebumps. I was like, wow. Wow. Yeah, that was, I was like, wow. Like I didn't see that coming.

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This is a real deal. This is the CFO showed up.

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You wanted to be an artist.

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So the process is your guys are calling investors saying, hey, we got a new company. Here's what we need. Put in $100,000, $200,000. So guys are giving $20,000, $50,000, $5,000, $100,000. And then they're going to get stock in the company in exchange for that. And of course, hopefully the company ends up becoming huge and your stock becomes worth way more than what you invest.

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So two weeks later, you got about $400,000 and the money goes into the bank account and she's supposed to send the money to him.

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400,000.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Wasn't there one for like the dog, doggy?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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like i never honestly i never expected anyone to try to do something like that because i know it's possible i know how much you know plus you've been to this guy's his lab you've met the doctor like everything seems everything's legit yeah like why was she's dating this successful guy in town she's driving his car you know where she lives yeah and she had a beautiful house of her own i mean

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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All right. She's clearly successful.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. So then- Are you realizing he's a part of the whole thing now? Or are you just- Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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We're getting somewhere. This part, at least this is legit. He's a real doctor. This is a real company. Okay, at least that's legit so far.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, I raised $430,000 for your company. That's gone.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So, uh, and I just lost my job for fuck. Cause you wait 45 minutes. Yeah.

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One of the girls. Yeah. So, well, which was horrible because literally if you had gone into the feds or even the state, you could have gone in and they would have done like a pretrial intervention where they would have said, look, you just make it good. Right. And we won't charge you. Like that happened.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. Yeah. Like anybody that shows up or just look, anybody that, you know, they, yeah, of course they have the subpoena from the records. They would have subpoenaed the bank and where these wires come from. Let's track them back. Let's get these people paid. But it didn't work out. Instead, your lawyer... Listen, the amount of bad information and advice that lawyers give is ridiculous.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. So I don't know. Yeah. I paid $75,000 for an attorney to plead me guilty. To take a plea.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So... so you end up getting charged with... with running a boy... for conspiracy to run a boiler room?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. And... but you pay... you pay the money back.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So here's the part, and I remember when we were writing this story, I remember saying this to you, is that here's the part that kills me. She only got 400 and some odd thousand. If she had just issued the fake certificates, if she'd issued fake certificates, she could have got half, 2 million, 5 million? Who knows? I never would have known. Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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If the investors had gotten these fake certificates... He would have kept raising money. She would have kept issuing the certificates until she got the $5 million. And then she could have disappeared with the $5 million. And then, of course, he would have figured out one day somebody would have wanted to go by the company or go take a tour or talk to the doctor or something.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So you're never going to make $16,000 on a phone call.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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At some point, it would have all fallen apart. But she could have got $5 million. Instead, she, you know, like an idiot, just immediately just started like, woohoo! And started running around Puppy Palace and buying, you know, collars for her dog or whatever. Like, just ridiculous. Yeah. So yeah, so you were on probation.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He's just one of the guys raising the money. But think about it. All that's happening is I work for somebody, I cold call, I raise money, And they come in, they say, hey, they give a presentation. Hey, there's this agro, you know, agro, what was it called?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Agro energy. Here's what we do. Blah, blah, blah. They give them some glossy brochures. They show them a website. They say, we're raising money. Here's how much you get. He's like, okay, okay. Just like any other company that came in, light company, doorbell company, you know, company that makes wristwatches, whatever they're raising money for. They come in, they give a pitch. They go, oh, okay.

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They start making cold calls. They raise the money. And then a few weeks later, he finds out he's being indicted. Like, what do you mean there's an arrest warrant? What do you mean? What did I do? doesn't have the money to get a private attorney, gets a public defender. Public defender says, he's saying, I didn't do anything wrong. All I did was what I was told to do. They came in.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It's just like anything. I didn't do it. I didn't know that these people were spending the money. And the public defender says, well, you can go in front of the judge and do what's called an open plea.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You can explain to the judge what happened. I didn't know anything. I didn't do anything. Here's what happened. And the judge may take pity on you. Instead...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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they give him 15 years yeah i heard he like fell to his knees and he was just he went in front of the judge and said your honor this is what happened he explains i work for this this company they came in we call we do cold calls we raise money i didn't know it was a scam judge gave him 15 years and everybody else got probation house arrest and probation because they

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Because they had private attorneys.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But they made their agreement up front. He felt like, I can explain this. I can explain this to the judge. He'll understand. He didn't.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. Ignorance is no excuse for the law. I think that's the term. And yeah, 15 years. I still speak to him. He's out now.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He didn't do 15 years, right? No, no, no. He did, I think, seven.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. Well, listen, I'd be bitter. I'd be a bitter, bitter, pissed off person. Like that would ruin my good nature. Oh, man. Because I have a good nature. I'm a nice person. I feel, you know, I'm a pretty happy-go-lucky guy. I'm not bitter at all.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like if I had gone to prison, if I went to prison because I wasn't guilty... I come out.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, man. I'd be pissed. Oh, I'd be.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You really didn't have any part in. I interviewed a guy the other day. He did 16 years for a rape and a murder at 16 years old. Didn't do it. And wow. He got released. 16 years later.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He did 16 years. And then after 16 years. How'd they figure it out?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No. What is it? The Innocence Project came in and found out, retested the DNA and found out that who the DNA went to was a 29-year-old guy. And when this guy was in prison for the rape and murder he didn't commit, the guy that did commit it killed a schoolteacher. Cops totally framed him.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They had DNA, but they didn't have the CODIS, the data bank where you could test it. So they tested it against him. They knew it wasn't his DNA. They said, oh, she's promiscuous. It's some other high school student. Well, then 16 years later, he gets the Innocence Project to test it again to put it into CODIS. Let's see if we can find the guy, the real guy. They find the real guy. They release him.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He gets out.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, no, because they had pinpointed an actual student. They had said, oh, it's this student. Keep in mind, he had a public defender who did nothing, who's basically like, oh, take a plea, take a plea. Like, he did nothing other than trial. I mean, it's just complete. And the cops, listen, you got to watch the video. You'd have to watch the whole interview. It's fucking horrific.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But still, same thing. It's like, what's going on? Like, it's horrible. The more of these I do, like, I'm actually a big proponent of law and order. Like, I'm... Like, I don't have a problem. Right. You need it. Right. So, you know, I'm not like I don't have a bad taste in my mouth.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What was the training program, though? How did that work? The training program was... Like you worked. I mean, I'm sorry. I remember because you were like it was like the whole boiler room type. Like you worked for a guy, under a guy for so long and then at some point when you get licensed and you've done, you've made so many accounts for them, then they give you a certain amount of... Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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is somewhat competitive in a way i mean maybe i'm wrong but i feel like it's just another notch in their belt right like it's about getting a it's about diamonds yeah it's about let's get the indictment let's get the arrest let's get the charge on accuracy right but they're not really concerned about justice and that's what i'm as i do more and more of these i'm like are you serious like you hear that you hear it and you're like that's

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like there's no way the cops didn't know. And sometimes the cops are even just completely faking the information. Like they're creating information. They're lying.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And if a 16-year-old kid has to get a life sentence, well, then that's fine. I need the promotion. He has to do life. That's his problem.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. Well, yeah. But at least Rossini was doing something. Rossini was actually making methamphetamine. He was actually a drug dealer. At least you were in the position to be framed. Right. But this is just a high school kid who happens to live a mile away from where they found the body. That was this guy?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They were also... He was a student in the school. They were in some of the same classes.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Somebody brought up his name. He went in for an interview. They said, hey, let's do a polygraph. He does the polygraph. They tell him he failed. They question him for seven hours straight. Tell him these... These other cops are going to hurt you. I'm trying to help you. Just go ahead. Tell them a story. Just admit you did this and I can get you. You won't be arrested. I got to get you out of here.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You just got to tell them something. So he says, okay, okay. I did it. I did it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, and he's 16 years old. You're 16 years old. You've never had a grown adult, especially a police officer, yell at you, pound the desk, get in your face, threaten you. They're scaring him. He's terrified. And he eventually just says, okay, okay, I did it. Can I go home now? You're under arrest. But anyway, so...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So eventually... Well, I have a question about that scam.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, sorry. Well, that's not the scam.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Wall Street’s Biggest Hustler? Meet the Real Wolf

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Well, I know. How did they target you? How did they know like... What?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Michelle Braun? Yeah. She just needed a stockbroker.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, that's a good question. I figured I should have. Yeah, but I already knew that because I knew that because you had told me before. So, yeah. Okay, so. What's up with the, what happened with the bouncy house? You remember the bouncy house?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know, I've seen that. Did I send you the video?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, no. I was trying to pinpoint the actual, like the date.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. And I remember when I read the story, I was like, I wonder if there's a video. And there is. There's a video of the bouncy house, the whole thing.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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There was a bunch of kids. Some of them- Broken arms, broken legs. Yeah, they fell out.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He's still on probation, by the way. So he's still, I'm sorry, this is when you were at the beach. You were at the beach and on probation, not interested in raising money.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And you're at the beach one day.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, no, we should play it, bro. Like it, like they show, like the people are screaming, like there's a bouncy house. It picks, throws it over there, over the, then it throw it over like the street or something.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I know. I'm going to lose 15 pounds minimum.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Raising capital.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Okay. So what happens?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But right now you're just on the 5 million.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know what we ought to do? We ought to play the, there's a tape or there's a little video that they use to pitch investors, right? Like it's a little lottery net. We should put that at the end. Or we could either put the link in.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, put the link in. And it's a cute little demo of... you know, explaining like, you know, about the tickets and everything, but it's like a little, it's an animation.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Picking up the phones.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It wasn't my idea. Nobody was more upset about the stripper pole than me.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It was degrading to women. It was wrong. I just wanted a comfortable, safe place for people. A safe space.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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There was a hydraulic system. You pushed a button and it came up through the floor.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You lost. I did. Okay. I believe you. All right. So the office is cool.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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As opposed to the sales team side, which is they're having a Friday night meeting. They bring in midgets and throw them through a... Through and through goals. I see.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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This is such a vanilla version of what I got when we were in prison. There was a whole bunch of other stuff involved. But anyway, I hear you.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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We had a curse jar.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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no no so yeah we embellished yeah i mean that's the way we were taught i mean they you know it was nothing there weren't any you don't have to apologize to me you don't have to tell me i'm with you i listen when i started as a mortgage broker i was there like 80 hours a week i practically slept in the office you could call there at 10 o'clock at night is phone boom eagle ending

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, lots of phone calls, lots of emails.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Matter of fact, the boss, they would have meetings and they would call the offices and they'd call like 20 of them and I'd be the only one there, 10.30 at night. And I remember one time the guy, the owner of the company goes, what are you doing there at 10.30 at night on a Friday night? And I go, I'm working. Are you the only one there? Of course I'm the only one here.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, you guys, he's funneling some of his customers to buy, to invest, and then eventually he comes in to the U.S. and you pick him up at, don't you pick him up at the airport or something like that?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I said, do you know why I'm the only one here? I remember he goes, why? I go, because they're weak, bro. They're all weak. I was so into it.

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So he's using an alias. Correct. Right. At this point, though, like you're using an alias, right? Like because you're you're not supposed to be working in this industry. Right.

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The money's going where it's supposed to go. You're raising the money. You're doing everything by the books, but technically you don't have a license. So you're using an alias.

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Well, so here, here's what, here's Colby. So here's, here's what's interesting is that he's using an alias and And Anthony's using an alias. They both know they're using aliases. They never address it. They just continue on addressing each other as that. And even though he knows that he knows and he knows that he knows, they never say anything. They just continue on.

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That was like professional courtesy.

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But no, I don't think that's the case. I just think it's, I mean, I know that's not the case. I know you're using it because I had a license. I lost my license. I'm not technically supposed to be, you know,

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Right. And he'd shown you – Royce had shown you his photograph before.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That's why he looked familiar. Exactly. Yep.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Wasn't he already being, okay.

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When you're the top one in the office and everybody's asking you questions, then it's, you thought I was working 60 hours. Now I'm bumping it to 80. Yeah. Like now I may get a little caught in the back. I love it so much being here.

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So you got the accounts, you passed your, what was it, your series what?

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What was his beef with this guy? Is that coming up?

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Sorry.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So are we going to call him Frank or are we going to call him Anthony? I'm still confused. Which one do you want to stick with?

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And how long did you, what happened at that firm? Did you stay at that firm?

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But this whole time during the day, he knew you were coming that night.

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So he kind of had a plan. Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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With Grossman? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So you went with Grossman. Did you guys team up and go there or what? Yeah.

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I remember when I was indicted, I thought, time for a trip.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So the girlfriend that you met that you guys had lunch with was actually Grossman's girlfriend on the side, his mistress. She melted down the entire relationship with the-

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So the, you know, the police report, right. And the, the news that night, like after you left, they got into an argument and he shot her a couple of times, right. It was a once or twice with an AK 47. Yeah. So the neighbors call. No, no, no. The neighbors didn't call. No, but I think he called.

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I don't think anybody, anybody called.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, I haven't heard that room. I don't know if it's still there, but I heard it once. Oh, I heard it was part of the news, right? Was it a news clip?

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So he called whether or not she was already dead before you came or after. I don't know exactly what the time. I think it might have been shortly after you didn't show up.

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You think maybe? I don't know.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. So you come around the back. There was an argument. You were breaking in. You were going to kill him, whatever. She got shot in the scuffle. Who knows? But the point is that he calls this 911 call and says that she ended up – she pulled a gun on him. They fought over the gun. It went off. Then when they get him downtown and they see – by this point, they've got him downtown.

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They can see the blood splatter. They can see the –

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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the powder the gun powder residue everything they realized she was about six feet away so he was holding the gun he shoots her so then he changes his story again you know uh the gun went off she was coming at me she had a knife you know it changes like three or four different times until he eventually breaks down and says right then what happened was that he shot him yeah did he said that there was uh

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Right.

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Right. He said he was cleaning it and there was one in the chamber, didn't know the clip wasn't in it. Well, if it went off, then it- It wouldn't reload the chamber.

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It had to be- So that's when they caught him in the lab. Right. It was just multiple lies. And eventually he breaks down and says that he, you know, there was whatever. It went off. She got it, he got it away from her, he was holding it, it went off.

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So Royce gets grabbed. He's not getting out. You're not getting bond. You're in jail for first-degree murder. So what happened as far as you know at that point?

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He's trying to get out of a life sentence. I'm sure he's trying anything at this point. Like once they've got you, now he's scrambling.

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Right. So he tells the authorities, he tells the authorities that you guys are raising money, you're involved, you're not licensed, they're doing raises, they're bringing in money, but he lies. Then he ended up saying like, oh, it's a Ponzi scheme. Like he's, it's bullshit. Like he starts saying, they don't even have a license.

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They don't like all the things that he's kind of been saying, but it aren't true.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So people that don't understand when you say regulatory, what do you mean? So right now it's not criminal.

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Company gets shut down.

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I was going to say, plus if you go to court on that, they get to go in and they depositions and do all these things that basically just builds more. Most of the time, these guys are trying to get out of it. So they're doing the depositions. They're providing this, trying to

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satisfy the the regulatory investigation and in the meantime they're openly incriminating themselves so then when the fbi says okay guess what it's criminal and we're going to use all that yeah all your depositions all of these you know um you're still under your miranda anything you say or do even in there right

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And you're not supposed to be there.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, I was going to say, there's a newspaper article in Peru about how they gave you the license. Like there's a, there was a whole thing.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right, but they're not in a place to buy lottery tickets, but they all have cell phones. So they all have an iPhone. So now you've just opened it up to going from five million people in Peru to 50 million people throughout the entire country that can buy it using their phone, even though they don't have a corner store to go to, but they do have their iPhone. Correct.

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So they kind of kept you there. like why why why let you right why move you up this guy's bringing in yeah they hold you down right with the promise that if you keep doing well we're gonna right exactly it's all yeah so they hold you down there and then uh when isaac walked out and he pulled me with him he said listen

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So at this point, you go to the FBI and you said, here I am. I know you guys are coming to indict me. No?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No? What happened?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That seems reasonable. I mean, I know when I, I remember when I was indicted, I thought. Time for a trip. Time for a trip. It's the logical thing.

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It's a lot of stress. I get it. I get it. I'm with you. I hear you.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I get it.

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Hey, this is Matt Cox and I'm going to be doing an interview with Joseph Vitale. This is very possibly one of the best interviews and stories I've ever heard. You absolutely need to watch this video. It's got a bunch of double crosses, twists, turns, murders, several scams. It's genuinely going to be one of the better videos you will ever watch.

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Except responsibility to get that, yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So, Anthony.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That was sad. Yeah. So what happened with Anthony? And this was a few weeks before you got arrested or a few months? It was probably a month. Okay. Yeah. So a month before the FBI arrest you.

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Do you remember? Yeah, I remember. And like a headset. Stupid stuff. And like.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know. Also 30, that was like 30 grand or something too.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right, right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So there's a chick named V that knew you and a bunch of the brokers that worked for you and knew Anthony and was partying. She was partying with Anthony and Rico. She's the one that introduced Rico kind of into the situation. Yeah, yeah. So... She was... She showed up after... After Anthony was found or had died. She shows up. Rico's there. Rico's torn the house apart.

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Robbing... Who's robbed him. Yeah. And... she shows up according to V. Yeah. You know, she tries to call the police. Yeah. He won't let her. He eventually basically drags her out of the house, throws her into her Mercedes.

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Yeah. She has like a Mercedes, right? Yeah. Throws her into the Mercedes and then they leave. There's There's login or, or photographs or whatever of her coming and going in the Mercedes. Like, you know, cause I got the police report, right? So the police a day later, two days later, the homicide comes in and homicide calls her. And tries to, you know, and she won't talk to him. She hangs up.

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She's scared. You know, she's scared. She knows she was there. She knows they were all partying. She knows she introduced this guy into the situation. So she hangs up the phone, right? And doesn't really cooperate at that time with the police at all.

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Yeah. Well, this guy's a fucking maniac. So Rico is, by the way, Rico... actually had just gotten out of prison and was in a halfway house, escaped or whatever, absconded from the halfway house and was hanging out with V and then hooks up with Anthony. And then the whole Anthony situation, you know, falls apart. So he's in the middle of just pure insanity. I mean, he just got out of prison.

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He's going nuts. And then there's this, you know, what I think of, what I think is, you know, a murder, you know? So that, that's where we are right now. Like that's what's happening. So when he, by the time he gets arrested, I'll take, okay, go ahead.

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Right. We have to mention how he ended up back there again, too.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I just want to say that he... How far after the first murder is this?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, they're dropping like flies. So Anthony's found. Rico grabs V, drags her into the Mercedes, her Mercedes. They take off, a black Mercedes. In the meantime, now, obviously, he's on a rampage. Anthony's dead. He's robbed him. They're doing drugs. He's escaped from the halfway house or absconded from the halfway house. They're looking for him.

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Yeah, eventually he walks again, right? Yeah. Basically, he's hard to get along with. Yeah, very volatile. But I mean, lots of guys are like that. I think the problem is what I notice is that you don't really succeed without having some kind of personality defect. You know what I'm saying? Like most CEOs are narcissists.

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He turns around, he starts robbing banks in V's car. So he's driving around in this Mercedes robbing different banks. At one point, he even robs like a grocery store. And like the kid does, like it's an argument. He tells the kid, he's got a knife. And he tells the kid, I will fuck, you know, I'll shoot you, motherfucker.

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I'll blow your head off. But he's holding a knife.

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Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. So he's a cashier at a grocery store or something. So he's a lunatic, right? But eventually there's a... Is there a car chase? And they chase him and they get him?

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Oh, yeah, he does. He goes on the run. Like he's... They're chasing him through.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That's right. I can't believe you remember this. That's right. He twists his knee or something. The cops pull up. Like he's trying to get himself... out of the road or something. Like he's really hurt himself. I mean, he's not limping. He's hurt. He can't stand up. Cops end up calling. Oh, because the guy, he was hiding in the back of the pickup truck. Called the police. Yeah, calls the police.

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I don't know. But the cops grab him. And so Anthony, I'm sorry, Anthony. So Rico gets caught by the police eventually and thrown in jail. About the same time,

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Are you starting to figure it out at this point?

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So it's like the same thing that makes them a horrible individual to be in a relationship with makes them a dynamic leader. in an industry, you know what I'm saying? So it's like, it's such a hard balance. You know, you look at Trump, like, you know, he's, you know, he's a narcissist, you know what I'm saying?

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But he also knew V, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Didn't you both end up saying, oh, I knew a chick named V or no?

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It's funny because when we were talking, I was writing the story, and you told me that he had told you about how he grabbed V by the hair one time. Yeah, and dragged her down the beach. And dragged her somewhere. Well, then when I talked to her about the story, she told me that they were in Anthony's house, and he had grabbed her by the hair and dragged her out of the house.

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He's, so I'm sure he's a nightmare to have a relationship with, but let's face it, he's also winning and winning and you know, you know what I'm saying? So it's like, it's a balancing act. It's, it's a, and same thing with a lot of guys, a lot of salespeople. I noticed like, like they'll go up and talk to anybody.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, either he's done it multiple times to her,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So you end up taking a plea.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You get what? It was about five years.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Sorry. So what was the real reason behind him?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So, initially, when I was locked up, yeah, when I was locked up and we talked about it, right, we kind of figured that because he had said that the guy owed money, so we, you know, I made the assumption that he owed, he possibly owed the money Right? Because he was getting drugs. They were getting, V was supplying drugs to all them. Well, not really. Or what? Just doing drugs with them?

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Okay. So the collection, but the collection was, when I was writing the story, was that he was collecting. Now, I guess I had always kind of assumed that he was collecting for V, right?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Huh?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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We assumed, yeah, one, we were assuming he was telling the truth saying that he's collecting money because he stole $30,000 from the guy. So we assumed, or I assumed, he had collected money for drugs or for V and Killed Anthony and robbed him of $30,000 and whatever else he scrounged up. But since then, you know, I've spoken with V. And V is like, that's not the case.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That she had gone off, come back, and she believes he killed him. Now, she has a whole theory on that Anthony killed... I'm sorry, that Rico killed Anthony for... His girlfriend, Kate. That Kate wanted... Well, that's... I mean, look.

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I mean, I understand what you're saying. I agree. But also, I've spoken with Kate. And of course, Kate has a whole... Like, there's like four different theories swarming around. The real problem is...

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that the police, even though they've answered, even though they have investigated the crime multiple times now, they've reopened the investigation, that V, when she was called, didn't tell them what she knew. She was scared, so she didn't say anything. And all they really have is that this guy died of an overdose. That's all they've got. Now, Kate's saying he was robbed. but nobody would talk.

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And so it just kind of died out, right? Like, what do they do? They don't have anybody to tell them what happened. And by the time he's sentenced, he actually, Joe actually says something to his attorney. Hey, this is what I just found out. Like this guy killed my friend. And his attorney's like, well, don't say anything. Sorry. Your attorney's like, oh, don't say anything.

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You're signing over stuff. You're like, I love this guy. Yeah. You would feel stupid not. Right. But then again, if things don't go his way, he could snap on you like that. Yeah. Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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We want to put you involved. It sounds like you're hanging out with guys that kill each other or murderers or something. So he doesn't say anything. Not that he's trying to say something to get time off or anything. Just that, hey, this guy murdered my friend.

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And at the same time... He was in prison for something else. Huh? When you met him in prison, was he in there for... He was in there for several bank robbers.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Remember I told you he escaped the halfway house and started robbing banks.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That was another theory.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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This guy spent his whole life in prison. He's done nothing. He wasn't out six. Rico wasn't out six months. He got out and within a month, he walked out of the halfway house, hooks up with V. A complete animal. Starts robbing banks, murder, kill somebody, ends up right back in prison. Got 15, 14, 14, 15 years. I don't know guys like that, like life. 14, 15 years. How long ago was that? Oh, 2017.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. No, he's still, he's in the medium. No, he's not in the medium, is he? He was in the medium.

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He was in the low with me.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And where's Royce?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He's doing like... State prison. Yeah, in the state of Florida. I don't know what prison, but yeah, he's... So yeah, it's like literally when he started talking about Rico... And we actually got the photo.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, the big guy. He told me. Lunatic. I remember he did a tattoo for this kid in my unit. And the kid didn't pay him. Kept telling him he was going to pay him, but didn't pay him. I remember him going, what's the money, dude? And he's like, oh, I don't know. I don't know what happened. She was supposed to send the money. It was all bullshit. The kid was just trying to get a free tattoo.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But, you know. But also there's a lot of drugs.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And he grabbed him and just, pow! I mean, smacked the crap out of this kid. You know, he's a big guy. But anyway, he literally got released shortly after that. That's when all this happened. And then he comes right back to prison a year later. So I didn't know who he was at the time. He was just some fucking guy. I just remember the name Rico. But yeah, so he comes back. He goes to the medium.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I don't know if it's 13, 14 years. 12, I think. Was it 12? And ended up going to the medium. I don't know where he is now. To the medium, Coleman medium. I don't know if he's still there. Probably look it up. So yeah, it's like, it's like, isn't it? It's like Joseph Rodriguez or Hernandez, Martinez, Martinez, Joseph Martinez. Yeah. Um, but yeah, anyway, so you get how much time?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, a lot of drugs in the industry in general, I mean. Yeah, yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, how much time did you do? Uh, about less than three.

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Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It's not bad. Not bad on five years, three years.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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years in your eyes you didn't really do anything wrong you just didn't want to risk 20 more years yeah no you can't go to trial yeah well i mean look okay what do you say now i mean like kind of like you know i i get what you're what you're gonna say but i mean technically like he's unlicensed imagine how this looks i guess are you going down for the company or for acting

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Right, like, how does it look if he goes to trial? I'm using an alias. I'm unlicensed. I've already been convicted of running a boiler room. I've already done... Oh, yeah, I had not a leg to stand on. No, he can't, like, he can't...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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get on the stand and defend him so what happens is the prosecutor gets up says all of these things about him he can't say that's not true he can't get on the stand if he gets on the stand i'm not a credible he's not credible you're using a different name you're collecting a ton and keep in mind he is making a ton of money the jury These are people that work at Tire Kingdom and Walmart.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They hate him. He's driving a Lamborghini. He's got a Ferrari. He's living in a $3.5 million house. He looks like a professional sports star. He's using a fake name. He's lost his license. He's been convicted before. They hate his guts anyway. You can't go to trial. So it's like, what's the best deal I can get? Because any lawyer is going to tell you, look, I'm innocent.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Then they actually found heroin? Usually, you can get a couple of guys that get on the stand and say we were selling drugs. They didn't catch us with the drugs. But we were selling drugs. We've been indicted. But the guy we were buying from is this guy. They indict you. And you can be sitting there going, I wasn't caught with drugs. They weren't caught with drugs. Nobody was caught with drugs.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And you're going to indict me on a drug charge.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Not the kind of place you wanted to be. He was doing you a favor.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, multiple times. What are you doing now? What are you doing now?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, I'm saying also the stock scam thing. The stock scam thing is between... I'm just saying, in general, it just jumps from one extreme to the other. Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Probably his insurance. Well, anyway.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Dumped a bunch of time and energy into something that just didn't pay off.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That was a... That job didn't last?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I think that's... Because you think it's always... You think it's going to always come. Yeah, when you make easy money, you spend it very quickly thinking, oh, I can always make more. But, you know, you had a couple of good runs. Doesn't mean it's going to last your whole lifetime. Doesn't mean your money is always going to come easy to you.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Which is kind of like, you know, me and this whole thing is that, you know, I have these conversations with my wife. I'm like, yeah, listen, we do this and do this and do this. And, you know, it's like I'm I'm willing to sacrifice. I'm willing to I'm willing to go, you know, like when my lease is up here at some point, like I figure we'll sign on the lease.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But at some point I said, next thing we do when I get off probation is. We've got to find some place and we've got to buy some place. And I don't give a shit if it's a fucking single wide trailer that's 1930 single wide trailer on a piece of land that I can slowly build on. It has to be a situation that I can get paid off by the time I'm 65 or 70 because the truth is. I don't have any retirement.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You're a problem. A problem employee.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like I don't know what social, I'll probably get the minimum social security because I've always worked for myself. I've always paid taxes, but paying. Oh, you did. You were smart enough to do that. Well, yeah, I paid my, like, so if you own, but I've also almost always worked for myself. So it's not like I paid a ton of money into Social Security or anything.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So it's not like I'm getting a big check like you're going to get the maximum Social Security, which is still nothing. Because Social Security is based on you becoming 65 or 67 years old and owning your own home. I don't own my own home. So it's the American dream if you plugged into the American dream.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But if you've been a derelict and a scumbag your whole life, like I have, and been in and out of prison, well, not in and out, in prison and back out, and not done the right thing with your money, then guess what? When you get to be 67 years old and go to retire, you're fucked. And nobody has any sympathy for you because they're like, You were a douchebag your whole life.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And billing the company for it in some way.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Listen, I look at it that way because I understand that's the society, you know, construct.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But when you're the scumbag, then you're like, hey, hey, hey, I get it and I hear you, but I have to figure out how to fix this for me. Like, I got to figure out what to do correctly to fix this. Because I understand, yeah, tough shit, but tough shit doesn't mean anything when you're the guy that has to try and figure out, like, how long can you work? Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right now, I think, oh, I can work forever. No, no. When you're in your 60s and 70s and already things are slowing down, things are hurting. Like, bro, I wake up, I take fucking three ibuprofen. If I don't take them, I know it during the day.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No. I hear you. As an employee, I'm with you.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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no yeah you know i know when my my back hurts and this hurts and your knee and your your body aches and you know little things like you already start to know my eyes i have problems with my eyes i have a you know i have astigmatism and you know my eyes are you know not what's going on and you know i might forget full well like there's all kinds of that's going on the memory

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I do that all the time. I'm having a conversation. I'll ask my wife something twice. And she'll go, I just told you this. And she'll look at me like, you're not even paying attention. And I'm thinking, no, I was paying attention. I just don't remember what happened three minutes ago.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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As an employer, you're an issue.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Or you're being a jerk or something.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'm genuinely interested in the conversation. I just can't remember your buddy's name. You know, you fucking said 70 names. I can't remember any of them.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I was gonna say, so you know my story, right? Like, you know, when I took off, so I took off on the run with that chick, Becky. So Becky worked for a law firm in Las Vegas. Rodney Dangerfield, the lawyer she worked for there, Rodney Dangerfield was his lawyer. So he would call up. This was before he died, obviously. He would call up and she said, he sounds just like that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He's like, hey, this is Rodney Dangerfield. I'm calling for Jimmy. And she'd be like, okay, hold on. She said he was exactly like he was.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Elastic. There's elastic.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like, leisure pants. I always think it's kind of a leisure suit.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It's the same thing we say about your interest rate. I tell you your interest rate is 12%, but your interest rate is really 7.1%. It's lower. So I charge you eight, but I get yield spread on the back.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, that's the same thing with the F&I with the cars. Right. You were okay with eight. That's bullshit. You said 7.1%. But you were okay with eight. Right. If eight was too high or you were not okay with eight, you would have said, fuck you. You got to do better than that. I'm not paying eight. My buddy Jimmy can do better. I can go to this other place or I'll call my bank.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You could have done all those things. Go. I'm charging you eight. Why? Because I get yield spread between the 7.1 and the eight.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It's 5%. 5%, what are you talking about? It used to be fucking 18%. In the 80s, during the savings and loan crisis, it was fucking 14, 15, 12%.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You should offset it by the $89 that I saved you.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, same thing when I used to say, you know, if you had a pulse, you were, I was gonna, I was gonna get you approved.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Not that, not the thing. I just got to walk it. Now I'm going to fall forward to documents. I'm gonna make sure you get approved.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I feel like that's a powerful argument.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, I went to Social Security and convinced them to issue me Social Security numbers to children that didn't exist. Oh, the kid didn't even exist. Didn't even exist. So I would go in, I'd say, hey, my daughter, here's the birth certificate for my daughter. She's 11 months old. and here's her shot record because they need to make sure she still is alive.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And then they would go on the computer, and they'd go, hold on. They'd pull her name up, and they'd go, oh, wow, you're right. A social security number has never been issued to this 11-month-old, to this person with this date of birth. And they'd go, okay, and we can tell she's alive, even though you didn't bring the child in, but if she's under 12 months old, you don't have to.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Where did you get the birth certificate from? I made the birth certificate. I ordered the security paper. If you make a copy of it, it says void if copied. So you order the security paper. I got a template from a real birth certificate. So I had the blank template. So you just run it through. You use the security paper to print out the blank certificate. You get a seal.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I would get an embossed seal from the... South Carolina Vital Statistics Department, whatever. I don't go to South Carolina, obviously. I go to another state. They don't know what the county certificate looks like.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And then they always had like a red number at the bottom, right? You know, a red like, you know, 07705, you know, and it always bleeds through. Right. So you have to print that out, you know, on that over a couple of times. It bleeds through. Right. And then you've got the seal. And of course, it's, you know, it's signed. You fold it up a few times. You go in there. You go, oh, I've got this.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I've got this. And they look at it and they go. How did you get shot records? You do the same thing.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I just I hand forged those because that's just a piece of paper that's printed that the doctor signs.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I would go in. They'd look at the kid's number or kid's information. They'd check to make sure that your driver's license, that you were who you said you were. They'd put your information in. Your social security number was issued. And then they would issue the new social security number under you as the father had this child provide the documents, has an 11-month-old girl.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So, which is funny because typically, like, I tend to look for something, stuff that's, you know, where the person stayed in one... This is going to sound funny, but in one industry.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And keep in mind, once I would start to go into the DMV and get driver's licenses and other people's names... Now they're not even being pulled under Matthew Cox. They're being pulled under, you know, Scott Smith or John Thompson or Bill, whatever. So these homeless guys that I'm now impersonating have three kids, four kids, two kids.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. I mean, that was always my concern was I was always trying to figure out how, what I did was I started melding. First of all, I did multiple things. One, I figured out how to just go in to an attorney. You pay him 1500 bucks. He'll change your name. So I've stolen your ID. I changed your name.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Under the new name, I would get a social security number issued to a child that doesn't exist. And then I would use that social security number to get an ID in that new name. So really, I'm a completely different person now. And you're using all legit docs because the lawyer gave me the document showing that the name has been changed based on this birth certificate.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So I can go into another state saying, hey, here's my original birth certificate, but I had my name changed. Here is my social security number issued under that name. Because I went to, obviously, I went to social security. They changed the name on my social security number. But really, it's that 11-month-old boy's name, child that doesn't exist. And they'd use that and they'd give me an ID.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So now I've got an ID and a name that doesn't exist. I've completely manufactured this ID.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I could go get... I could open up credit cards. I could get a mortgage. I could open bank accounts. You could do anything.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, all that progressively just got worse and worse and worse and I got more and more creative and... Just like... Yeah, kept getting... kept getting away with things and became emboldened by it and kept just you know, you just start thinking you're untouchable and... Yeah, that's a fact.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Don't use, don't use that Lyft company.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, listen, I appreciate it. Let's wrap it up. Yes, sir. All right. Thank you very much. I appreciate it. Hey, if you like the video, do me a favor. Hit the subscribe button. Hit the bell so you get notified of videos just like this. Also, leave me a comment in the comment section and check out the links in the description. And I appreciate you guys watching. Thank you. See you.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But because you had written that whole long thing and I was like... I don't know. This sounds super interesting. And then you had all the article, you know, you said that, you know, you're like, Hey, you can look this up. You can look this up. You can look at it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You're still married?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I don't feel like you know what the... Well, I mean... Or vows? The rules are for being married. I did do a real good.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No. I didn't really... I wasn't a rule follower either when I was first married. Yes. But I was probably too young to... Wait until you hear what happens. Okay. Go ahead.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What was your wife's name? Carol. She said, I'm looking for Carol. She's here with me somewhere.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Did she come with y'all?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So anyway, um, so let's, let's do this. Let's start at the beginning.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Are you still married to the first one?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Back then, there was no cameras. The phone book? Were you hitting him with the phone?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But you said you kept moving.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know, it's just... Just because so many people moved into the...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So they don't even have those anymore. Those little fucking boxy.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Still, that's 10 grand in two weeks. Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Jesus! Men are horrible.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And what was this? In the 90s?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, cable was massively huge. Laying those... laying pipe everywhere.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Try to upsell, you know, sell them Disney Channel or... I wait, what's the other one?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Anyway... You said 30. You said 30 people times that's $15,000.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Phone work. Well... Some phone work.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They arrested him for selling steroids?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I forget what you know... Right, he's inviting trouble.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Sounds like a good idea.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I definitely loved... Everybody loved Rodney Dangerfield.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Bar turnaround. Kind of like that TV show Bar Turnaround or whatever they do.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, now they own a portion of the... 11.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, okay. So he was growing it and he had garbage bags full of it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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The name like Pedro?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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How do you narrow that down?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, yeah. Brickell. Not Brickell Avenue, just Brickell in general. The whole area is amazing.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like a super clean Manhattan with just, but better.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Not specifically, but I mean, every building out there is amazing.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Ferraris, Lamborghini. Like, I've never seen so many European cars, European sports cars in one place.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So, so Las Vegas, you're in Las Vegas at the car place.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Give me my shit back.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Great news, Eric.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What year was this?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Government was suppressing it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Fucking pharmaceutical industry. They don't want that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They're making tons of money. Pharmaceutical companies making tons of money on their own research, their own products, their own medication. But they don't have a cure.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They don't want a cure. Right. They don't want a cure.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They make more money off of treating it than curing it. You're right. Sorry, that's the conspiracy theory argument.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You can get arrested in the dealership or you can be here in 20 minutes.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, most people will bury themselves in that period of time. Like they'll send you a target letter and listen to your phone calls, listen to your panicked phone calls to all of your buddies saying, I can't believe it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know, somebody has made a mistake here and it certainly can't be me because you know... Well, you've cashed $400,000 worth of checks that were written to you based off of this that came directly out of this company that's a fraud at this point.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Wolf of Wall Street.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And then the boiler room sells the stock? And the boiler room sells the stock.

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How is that? That's not illegal. It's illegal when it becomes a pump and dump scheme and they came in and said, we have the cure for AIDS.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Hey, this is Matt Cox, and I'm going to be doing an interview with Jim Sturgis. He's got a fascinating criminal story. It's actually more than it is. It actually spans quite a long time and is varied. So check out the podcast.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Because they're probably saying it's worth more than it is.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know, it's just not... Who got you into this position to begin with.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, you know, so I haven't always... Do you think that these idiots, your buddies, really believed that he had it? Or do you think they knew?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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This is something Chris Marrero would believe. They found this rare plant in Brazil that you take. If you mash it up and put some sugar in it, mash it up, and you crunch it into a pill, it will cure AIDS.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Absolutely, Chris. That's the way it works. And they're suppressing it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, in Marrero's case, he would actually say that the gray aliens, the aliens were behind it. But I hear what you're saying. The aliens are running. I'll have to send you one of Chris's videos and you'll have a better understanding of what you're.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Does this individual believe it? These are extraterrestrial aliens that are really running the government. So, but I'll send you the video. You'll get a kick out of it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Sorry. It sounds like... Joe Biden could be an alien. I mean... Sounds like the Rodney Dangerfield guy. Right. He's... Gary's on that... He's on that believing pretty much... For you to believe that... You got to be kind of gold.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, so they're co-mingling funds or they're just misappropriating.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You just turned the volume down.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, but they were also getting cash from you. So they knew something. They knew, hey, we need to put something aside in case this whole thing goes wrong. So they knew something was wrong.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You lost all the money.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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How much money ultimately was that valued at?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like are they saying it was a $400 million scam? Was it a $2 million scam? I can't tell you that exact number.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Usually that's what they do is they'll say it's a $150 million scam or, you know.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You'd really be in trouble.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And she's like... And you're dating her at this point?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Um, I was dating a chick that smoked pot and we went to Atlanta and she didn't have anybody, a dealer to sell her pot. And she made a, um, she made an appointment at a hair salon, showed up at the hair salon, got her hair done and walked out with a bag of weed. And, uh, That girl hooked her up with her dealer. So, I mean, we're talking within a day.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I moved from... Can I ask you a question? How did that scene go down? Like you're saying, you're jumping right through that. Like she bangs on the door.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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She walked right in.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Still early in the relationship.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You would think the cops would have at least given him a reason. I mean, something to say. Instead of saying, oh, come up with something. Right. He's a drug addict. Like, you can't.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Wait a second. A Mexican selling heroin is connected to the cartel? Stop it. Not true.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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one i appreciate you coming um and the second thing is it's funny because like it's was it sheriff's deputy or police officer sheriff deputy sheriff i was a deputy sheriff okay so it was like law enforcement then like you go from one to another to and then uh to the the drugs no no the the drugs was the very last thing right skin mafia thing that was that was one of the the

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Just like your other buddy that unlocked the screen door. Right. The sliding glass door.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I mean, she could have just said, like, listen, there was an issue. I don't want to get into it. I don't want to... You know, you can easily frame that in a way that it makes it sound like you've done something inappropriate. We don't want him around here anymore. There was an issue.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh okay a thousand dollar car.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Who is the old man? Like a DEA agent or a cop?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right, well, they're cooperating. Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They're just waiting for you to get hit from behind. It's over.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That if you have a, you could have a warrant out of Florida and you could be in New York. And if Florida says, this is stupid, like this is such a minor thing. We're not going to spend the money to fly this guy out or to go pick him up and drive him back. We're going to spend several thousand dollars to get him back on something that's going to be quashed. And most likely because it's so old.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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How long ago was this?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You're holding resentment.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You got to let that go.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So they let you go, but they didn't drop the charges.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Okay. I mean, people don't realize, you know, people don't, not everybody follows. Like they think, oh, they let him go. They dropped him. No, no. They dropped the fact that he, they can't hold him on no bond or any bond. They have to let you go on your own recognizance saying, hey, you promised to show back up, right?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. The fact that they... This isn't a wrongful arrest.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What happened to the 2000 bags of heroin that your dad had in the back of the...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It's the right thing to do.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I mean, if somebody has to go down for this, dad, You're already 80. I mean.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Not bad enough to get a blowjob from his wife. Well, you got to have, it's a balance.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Vinny from Long Island.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It's so unique. Probably people, you probably just, you might as well give him his full name. You probably just, I mean, people know exactly Vinny from Long Island.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I mean, I wasn't gonna... Might have been just a CO bringing it in. You'd be shocked. I mean, you'd be shocked what the COs will bring in because... Really? Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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because they knew that quote i mean they knew not only did they know what i say they knew exactly what i told the cops you know like fuck you i'm not giving nobody up they knew that well you can get the freedom of information act or they can just have a lawyer request a copy of like hey you know like what you say well the cops are going to write down what you say that they're going to write right up um

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Sounds like a place we need to be.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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an affidavit or something no it's just a police report like you know he stated this he stated that he stated this like they'll have like a five page or 10 or 20 page where they've written it out unless they've no shit yeah i mean that that's typically what happens unless they've got a recording in which case they could get a transcript well because the the older brother you know uh he got a hold of me shortly after i got out yeah you need anything it was just overly nice and i was like

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And you had the respiratory thing that you just got another hospital for so obviously cigarette seems like a good idea.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, that could have gone wrong too. They could have come and picked you up for that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, not just that. But there's a federal charge if you strike a... If you actually physically harm someone that cooperated against you, you can get a federal charge and go to fucking prison. It's like a five-year mandatory minimum. Or minimum mandatory, sorry.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Sure, pretty much everything's about a three-year statute of limitations.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And he would have already gone straight to him. If he was gonna do anything, he would have gone straight to him.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Might be three to five, might be three but I mean, I'm saying might be a three-year mandatory minimum and that's the federal feds get in charge or get involved.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, I mean, the feds were going to be involved when your thing they would have come in from as soon as the right off the rip, as soon as the state thing fell apart. Usually, usually it's something state falls apart and the state will go be like, listen, we fucked up. Here was the problem. Boom, boom, boom. And they'll go to the feds and say, here's what we got.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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The feds will come in, just indict you on that, knowing that a federal judge isn't going to throw any of that out. A federal judge will be like, oh, no, all of that's included. Oh, no, no. But yeah, that's state law. You're right. But we're the federal government. We're picking up this case. We're going to charge you and we're going to go ahead and we'll we'll try you if you want to go to trial.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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We'll we'll try you. But really, in federal court, all we need is these two guys to get on the stand and say they were buying the drugs from you, the drugs that they clearly found. We'll see if a jury will fall for it. The truth is, if you're just sitting at that table in a federal court, they already think you're guilty, let alone these two guys getting on the stand.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, you know, a lot of people just think they think no matter what, I would never I would never do that. I would never I would never admit that. I would never admit, you know, something I did. Listen, bro, you know, you haven't been in that room. You're not a kid. You're not being you know, you're you're you're a savvy person.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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you know, intelligent, confident man that knows that you weren't involved and what not to say. But if you're a scared kid, you know, and these guys are telling you, you know, you need to help, you need to this, you need to that. And you start thinking, well, I want to help. And I'm not, these guys aren't letting me leave.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like if I need it, like you're thinking, well, if I say something, you'll let me go. Kind of like the guy on Make a Murderer. Like he thought he was going home. He thought, okay, so if I just admit that I was a part of it, then I can go home, right? They were like, yeah, let's go ahead and let's talk about that. What happened? It's like, okay, so he's assuming, and that happens.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I watched a whole video on this kid that was like 16 or 17 years old. They convinced him that he had murdered his sister. He admits to it. He admits to killing her, stabbing her, that he Hated her that like they're like, well, you know, at first it's known. He's like, no, no, no. I love my sister. I love my sister. Seven hours later, he's telling you, I've always hated her.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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My parents love her more. I wanted her dead. I mean, he just completely flips. They over the course of about six, seven hours, they completely flip him. Signs of confession, everything.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. I've seen a case like that, too.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Um, all right. So. And anyway, so they're completely resistant to it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They think it makes you look guilty.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And this has happened over and over again throughout like throughout the country where prosecutors, they don't want to release guys because their, their fear is if I wrote, if we release them or if it, you know, you know, and the evidence shows that, you know, he was set up or it was a wrongful prosecution, then we have to pay him depending on what state, some states have caps where they say, look, we owe the guy $12,000 a year.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, I was going to say it's funny. It's like if somebody not if a police officer knocks on the door and says, hey, did you see anything last night? Like, I, of course, you know, no, I didn't see anything. Well, why? What's going on? That's different. Like, I understand answering that question. Did you know your neighbor's car was broken last night? Did you hear anything? Like I get it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I, but if they say, Hey, we're picking you up, we're taking you downtown. We're questioning. And we think we may have been involved in this. Then it'd be like, Oh wow, bro. Like you're not here on a basic, um, uh, you know, uh, a breaking and entering, you know, you're not here on a, on a car theft. Like you, you're trying to, and you're not, and you brought me downtown. Like,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You're not asking for my help in finding the person that did this because maybe it's somebody I knew. Maybe I was at the mall when this happened. Like you're saying I was involved. I need to talk to a lawyer. Yeah, because right now you're not trying to exclude me. They always say that we're just trying to exclude you. Stop it. You're killing me with that exclusion. You don't want to exclude me.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What happened with Ernesto? He got down there and he just stuck to his guns?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Some of them say, okay, 80,000 a year. Some of them have no legislation and they end up just negotiating it. And I know in the past from just seeing different types of documentaries and reading different articles and books where sometimes they say, hey, we'll let you go, but you have to promise not to sue us, which typically doesn't hold up, but they try it anyway.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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There was no bond. They're not giving him bond.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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First degree. What's the story that the police believe occurred and why do they believe? What's the scenario? Typically, they formulate some kind of their theory of the crime. What is their theory of the crime?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Do they have anything that puts them there? I mean, they have anything, anybody that puts them there?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Um, anyway, did you ever see, read the book, uh, an innocent man? I think it was a documentary on it too.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, I know a guy that got like 15 years He worked at the place. There were like three guys that are running a place that was like a tax scam. And this guy was making phone calls thinking what he was doing was legal. They had him convinced that it was legal. So when they all got indicted, they ended up going to trial. And this guy sat there.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He said his name was literally mentioned two or three times during a week-long trial. And when they suddenly found out All of them guilty. And he gets the same amount of time that everybody else got, even though he was just an employee. But none of those guys took the stand to say, yes, we did it. He doesn't know anything. We convinced this guy what he was doing was legal.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So because of that, he sat with the other guys that are guilty and got the same time. He's like, they never mentioned my name. I was on the indictment, but he's like, there's nothing that says I'm a part of any of this other than making calls that I thought were legal phone calls. I was telling them what these guys are telling me. But he didn't take the stand. He couldn't take the stand.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It was just... It's just such a bad situation all the way around. His lawyer was like, don't take the stand because if you take the stand, then they're going to ask you, did you make the calls? And you're going to say yes. He's like, yeah, but I can explain why. He's like, they're not going to care. You've already been indicted. Nobody's going to care that you thought that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That's going to sound like a lie. Of course, his lawyer was court appointed. He doesn't want to be there. He doesn't want to do this. He certainly doesn't want to have to prep you and have to spend two days in you know, questioning you. He wants this to be over as quick as possible. He really just wants to sit beside you and let this case play out and let you go to jail. And that's what happened.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But anyway, so I totally get that. So, okay. So, so what was the, what was the next thing that happened?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'm not going to get on the stand. I'm not going to say he wasn't there.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. And so the other guy gets on the stand.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, I mean, I know the story at this point to the. you know, I'm sure he's being told by law enforcement that he's helping them, that you got, trust me, you did the right thing. These are bad guys. This is what happened. This is what we believe happened. We thought we, you know, we, there's lots of evidence against them, but the truth is he, he probably, you know, he has no clue.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. Yeah. He may have, he may have also been facing something. Yeah. He may have been facing something himself. So, so then what, so, all right. So, What happens at Ernesto's trial?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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All right. So the prosecutor is saying you did it and we've got a witness that says he was there and saw you do it. Did they have any other, any, any other, um, uh, witnesses?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Um, so how long was the trial?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. You're you're you're basically you're you're an advocate for. Absolutely.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You was going to say, I was going to say, so at, at the other at, okay. What happens at the other trial?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, I thought they shot him. I thought they continue to argue.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Innocent Man Sentenced to 60+ Years | Earnest Jackson

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You said you took the van?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You need to call them? I may leave this in. You're fine, but yeah. I just can't believe it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Call them.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Innocent Man Sentenced to 60+ Years | Earnest Jackson

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So who was on the ring camera?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

Innocent Man Sentenced to 60+ Years | Earnest Jackson

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But you said that they had a picture of the back of somebody.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, anyway, I mean, you're having bad luck, you know, you should move to the suburbs and get a job doing people's books. You wouldn't have these problems. Yeah. So what's going on? So what happened? Where are we?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. So here's well, OK. Yeah. But for a jury, the jury has been given one charge and they're saying this is what he's guilty of. It's premeditated murder. He went there to kill him and he killed him. And so that he goes and says, no, there's an alternative to that where I was there. Guys, a couple of guys showed up and chased me off and actually shot at me.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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When I, you know, I jumped the fence and they were shooting at me. So he's saying I was there, but I didn't kill him. So he's giving them an alternative. He's giving them reasonable doubt. Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, I understand. But I'm saying, so now the jury's being faced with, this guy wasn't even there. He showed up, but he left. And then later, someone got killed. He didn't kill him. Nope. So what's happening is now it's like, well, I'm sorry.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Okay. I was just going to say, so to the jury, they're saying, well, I mean, the state is saying that he went there and shot him and killed him. He's saying, I went there, argued with him and got chased off by some other guys. They showed up, they were angry at us. So I left. And then something, maybe these guys killed him later. Like, I don't know, but I wasn't there. So that's reasonable doubt.

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for the jury. And to me, the jury's like, okay, well we have an alternative and the cops are in the States, not saying doesn't have proof that that's not true. So that's reasonable doubt. So to me, it'd be like, okay, well then it's not premeditated. Like he didn't go there to kill him. He wasn't there when he was killed.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So I can't find him guilty of murder of first degree murder because he wasn't even there. And the state doesn't have anybody to say that he was there and that he fired the gun, or do they?

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Oh, every single one? So he's saying, nah, he didn't run. He was there. He got shot.

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But that still would have been an accident.

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Right, right.

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Right. So he's not a first degree murder. So the answer is not guilty. Because there's no other charge they could charge him with. Not like they could say manslaughter. He accidentally killed the guy. That's not even on the table. There's no other charges. None.

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So had they charged him with assault or manslaughter and first degree, they could have given him different variations, but they only gave him one choice and he doesn't fit that choice. So it's not guilty, period.

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That's kind of like the Casey Anthony thing, right? Like she was given, like they gave the jury one charge. It was first to remurder. She killed the girl, meant to kill her, buried the body. They could have given her manslaughter. They could have also said, or it could be manslaughter. They would have probably found her guilty of manslaughter.

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What they said was, you're saying for sure, do we know that she died? premeditated murdered her daughter. We don't know that. Like there are other options. Right. And you didn't give us the ability to charge her with anything less. So she's not guilty. Prosecutors fuck up when they do that.

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Yeah. They think it's all or nothing. So they, they, a lot of times they'll be like, that's our only charge. He he's definitely guilty of something. Maybe not this, but fuck it. It's the only thing we can do. So they, they charge them with the first degree murder.

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And they also don't know what he's facing. So they're probably thinking, oh, he's probably only faced in five or 10 years. And then they find out he gets life. And they're like, oh, wow, I didn't know that. But I'm sorry. Go ahead.

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Listen, I've, I've met numerous guys in prison and you're talking to them and then suddenly you go, what are you here for, bro? And then they tell you, you're like, wow. Like I didn't see that. Like that, that was not, not what I saw coming. Okay. So, so tell me about, about Ernest. Like where was he born? How, you know, what kind of childhood, that sort of thing? Like how did he?

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You know, people are like they're like, well, we think she did something. But we don't know for sure that she meant to kill her daughter. We think maybe she was trying to just get her to go to sleep and pass out so that she could go out partying and she gave her too much chloroform or maybe she accidentally suffocated or, you know, like it could be anything.

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We don't know 100 percent that it was premeditated murder. So then it becomes, OK, well, that's your only charge. Well, then the answer is no. Not guilty. And people are like, and then they're screaming, you let her go. Wait a second. You're telling me I had to be sure she was guilty of this? I'm not. I could have charged her with manslaughter. I could have charged her with assault.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I could have charged her with child endangerment. There's lots of things I could have charged her with. You didn't charge her with those things. That's not my fault. That's your fault as a prosecutor.

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But a lot of times that's what they do. People are so outraged, they figure, well, we'll only give them one option and they'll take it because they don't have another option. And they think she did something. We don't know for sure. It's this, but this is our only charge. So give it to her.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. You're saying that she was on the phone. You're saying that she thought about killing her daughter, came home, executed her daughter, buried her daughter. Like, I don't think that's what happened. Do I think she was involved? Do I think that she, you know, obviously I don't think her father killed her. I don't think she accidentally drowned. Maybe she did. I don't think so.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But I think she probably did give her something. Maybe she gave her chloroform. Maybe she, you know, and she gave her too much and she ended up, you know, suffocating and died. You know, but I don't think she's trying to kill her. Cause I just don't see that, you know, but she, I definitely think she did something to that girl, which is, you know, manslaughter.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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She should go to prison for five to 10 years, maybe 15 even. But I don't think that she sat there one day and said, you know, I'm going to kill my daughter. Yeah. That's what I'm going to do. Yeah. She's a pain in the ass. Cause the truth is you could have given her your, your parents are basically raising her anyway. And so give them to her.

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We're walking around. You're showing me that, yeah, this happened, this happened. A couple of guys come up. They bump into us, and we get into an argument. One of the guys is like, I'll kill you, bro. You pull your gun out, and you execute them, and then you take off running, and then I'm freaking out, so I don't stick around. I leave because it's a bad neighborhood. I take off. The cops come.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They put me on trial because I'm with you. You killed the guy. I didn't kill the guy. I can't take the stand because I'm a felon, so I don't want them to bring up all my felonies. And so what happens is I go to trial, and now I got a life sentence because I didn't know you had a weapon on you. I didn't know you were going to shoot these guys. I don't know anything about this.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Some guy gets on the stand and says, yeah, man, I looked out the window. They were all arguing. That guy Cox was there. Yeah, he definitely. I saw him shove one of the guys. What the hell? And the jury only has one choice. One choice. Or nothing. Right. And that I knew there was a gun. I didn't know there was a gun, but who's going to believe me? And I can't take the stand.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And heard... and her that nobody places Ernest there.

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You want to hear the jury admit, one, you were there, and two, you had a gun, and three, you fired the gun.

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All of these are bad. In a jury's mind, it's like, this guy's a lunatic. Give him first degree.

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And I might have shot the guy. Because they were shooting at me. I may have shot the guy because they were shooting at me.

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He didn't admit it. He may have shot him. He damn sure may have shot him. But it was self-defense. Okay. So Ernest goes to I'm sorry. Yeah. Ernest goes to get sentencing. Same judge.

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Judge gives him a life sentence. 17 year old. Well, he's 18 by now.

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He testifies that he wasn't there.

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So there's a separate jury, separate people, obviously, hearing the whole case for the first time. And they also...

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So he makes him not guilty.

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So Shalimar is acquitted. He's not guilty.

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Dante's also found... Not guilty. Not guilty. So had Ernest gone to trial as the third person... at this time and had shallamar gotten on the stand and said the same thing since he's already said his story twice and gotten two um not guilty verdicts then it's reasonable that earnest would have also gotten a not guilty yep yep and then there's that element that uh

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We got Ernest that was with Shalimar that's already been found not guilty. We've found Ernest guilty of being at a first-degree murder that has already been found to not have been a first-degree murder.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Murder didn't happen at all.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. So you're not even saying that you he had the gun. He was found not guilty of that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, they immediately let him go, didn't they?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. Right. Yeah. I've watched law and order. I watched law and order. I know how it works.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They, that warden told me he was sorry. The prosecutor drove him home, apologized to his mother and his aunt said, I'm sorry. I took your baby away from you for the last three or four years. My bad. We're going to try and work some kind of a deal out. Cut you a check. Yeah. I know how it is. They're good people.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He took the fifth.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. Yeah. Cause he's representing his client.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So did he appeal it to the state Supreme Court?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So he was raised by both of them.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. I get it. So you're now you're kind of an advocate for, um, Ernest because nobody talked about it.

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Yeah. I always think about that. Like you're sitting there doing the right thing. And some guy comes and just kicks in your door.

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It's one or two guys. It's one or two guys.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, no. The justice system isn't really about justice. So. So what do you think their fear is? I understand that their argument is, what if it opens up the floodgates and thousands of people are let go? They know for a fact that's not going to happen. You think that their concern is that if they were released, they would open up their ability to sue them?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, I mean, like you said, I mean, it's, you know, obviously it's political. And it's political and obviously, you know, they are concerned, I'm sure, you know, about being sued. So, I mean, it's probably a combination of the two. But what always kills me is that that prosecutor sleeps, knowing all of this, sleeps like a baby at night.

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He tells himself every night that what he's done is the right thing. He feels good about it. They go and they lay down at night and they think they're making the world a safer place by putting some 17-year-old in prison for the rest of his life who didn't do anything, who was playing video games.

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Your biggest problem is what you did to end up with a life sentence was hang out with your cousin and play video games. That's my crime. I was playing video games with my cousin and somebody else named me. That's my crime.

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That's it.

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So because he was in prison and he's not a he's not an, you know, a perfect inmate because he didn't make his bed. Or because he argued with the, huh?

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What was, I mean, was he, you know, when he grew up, was he in trouble? Was he in a gang?

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I know guys that got shots. for looking at a female officer too long. Like the guy's not, he's not, he's not like he's doing anything. He's literally 30 feet away and just glanced at her. And she said, what are you looking at? He said, Oh, I was just looking at you. I wouldn't mean to. Oh, okay. Wrote an incident report. He called it what we used to joke. You were a reckless eyeballing. Yeah.

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You know, like terminology, you know what I'm saying? It was just like, and here's the thing. Like a lot of those shots you can fight and maybe get them turned, turned over. But the truth is, if you've got a life sentence, what do I give a shit? Right. What do I care?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. It doesn't matter. Here's the thing. It doesn't matter. whether he got some disciplinary shots or not, he's not supposed to be in prison. It's like saying, it's like saying, you know, we're going to charge you with murder. And because, you know, okay, well maybe we didn't, maybe you didn't commit the murder, but you did something like you were there or you drove the getaway car. Yeah.

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That's you didn't charge me with that. You charged me with this and I'm innocent of that. Like, so you want to charge me with, oh, well, we found out that, you know, you sold drugs a couple of times. And so, well, then go back and charge me with the drugs. Right. Don't charge me with this.

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Right, right. Charge me with something I did.

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Not this.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That U.S. Listen, that that state attorney and that judge don't want him in front of a camera saying the judge knew that these other two people had been acquitted. You know, I'm sorry, acquitted, acquitted. You know, they you know, he knew that he gave me a life sentence anyway. He knew there was no evidence. He knew. And let's face it, two juries found their only eyewitness. Yeah. Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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If they if they if if they acquitted those two guys, that means that they didn't believe the states eyewitness to the same state eyewitness that my jury found credible to other jurors found uncredible because they because they had a witness that. disputed his eyewitness testimony, which I wasn't allowed. So regardless, that judge knew that the secondary judge could have dropped it.

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The prosecutor sleeps like a baby saying, oh, I took this 17-year-old video game and playing motherfucker off the street. You never play a video game again. You know, like, I mean, what does he tell himself? But that's what happens is these guys get to be, they think they're infallible and they get these God complexes. and everybody else is just a pawn to be moved around.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, so what What's up with the case now? Where does it stand now?

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Better he should sit in prison for the rest of his life than to do the right thing and have to do a little extra work.

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OK, so you're saying there have been several. Are there any other bills? Are they coming up again or what's happening?

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Yeah, saying it's not even possible. It's complicated. It's not possible that I'm fallible.

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Well, I mean, that should have been enough for the senators right there. That should have been enough for them to know, okay, now. This may be that case.

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Well, I think that you just become desensitized, you know, being a prosecutor to the point where it's all or nothing. It's, you know, us against them type of thing. Yeah. But, well, yeah. Anything else?

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So how did he end up getting in trouble? I mean, how did that happen?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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The problem is to the parole board. A lot of times they don't want to give you parole unless you admit to what you did. He's going to go in front of them and be like, I didn't do it. They're gonna be like, Oh, he hasn't learned his lesson. Let's keep them in prison. Like people don't realize that they're like, Oh, well he'll get parole. No, it's not guaranteed.

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And one of the big things they want you to do is say, I did it. And a lot of these guys get up in there and they're like, I didn't do it. And they're like, Oh yeah, he's not, he's not ready to be paroled. So you may never get parole.

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Sorry.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What about the Innocence Project?

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Listen, I appreciate you talking to me about it. One of my guys made a comment that, hey, you need to talk to Jason about the Ernest case and the Ernest Jackson case. It was super interesting. So he actually got me your information. He's the one that got me your information. Oh, no, I guess he gave you my information.

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Right.

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So I, listen, I appreciate it. I appreciate you coming on. Hey, if you liked the video, do me a favor, hit the subscribe button, uh, hit the bell. So you get notified of videos like this, share the video. Also, um, I'm going to leave, uh, Jason's contact information in the description, uh, in the description box and, uh, leave me a comment. And I really appreciate you guys watching and, uh,

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Hey, this is Matt Cox and I am here with Jay Whitmore and he is a peer support specialist. And we're going to be talking about the Ernest Jackson case. And I will let, I will let Jason explain in more detail. So check it out. Ernest is a guy that was found guilty of being at a murder that he says he wasn't there. And there's tons of evidence that says he wasn't there.

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As I'm sure you know, I wrote a bunch of books when I was incarcerated, true crime books about different cases. So check out the trailers.

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They want to talk to Ernesto.

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If you saw anything you like, links to all the books are in the description box.

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So they, they took them, obviously they, they took them downtown. I mean, they, did he get a, uh, did he get like a lawyer right away? Well, why did they, you know, like, why did they think he was involved? Uh, buddies were involved. Like you guys are a tight group. They killed, they, they were there or they were involved. So you had to be involved or.

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So- Okay. So, I mean, so he denied it the whole time. If you're saying he, he never, cause you know, sometimes guys will admit it. They'll get them in there for, you know, six hours straight and, you know, convince them that to, to just own up to it, or at least say you were there, help us out. You know, and then they end up, you know, you're 17, you're scared. You're like, Oh, okay. I was there.

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Um, um, you know, they end up placing a, uh, a scenario in your head, uh, you know, if you, if you saw the, uh, I don't know if you saw that documentary, um, uh, making a murder where they get the cousin who's, who's honestly not that sharp. Obviously he's what, 14 years old and not that, you know, not that savvy. And he, they convinced him to say that his uncle did the murder and he was there.

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And yet he's still in prison because essentially you believe or I guess everybody pretty much involved in it believes that that the district attorney or the state in general doesn't want to release him because they would have to. Then, of course, they would have to pay him for being wrongfully incarcerated for how many years?

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He's a drug addict.

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Maybe they are. Maybe they're just good people. I don't know. Maybe they're just a lawyer with a heart.

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But I mean, you can't go to work like it doesn't like, come on. Like, well, nobody's going to gun you down. Like, stop.

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Oh, OK. I had heard they bought went out and bought like a really nice SUV and they were looking at nice homes. I don't know. I didn't hear that they'd moved in, but I heard that they were. That was like the next step.

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Yeah. Well, I'll tell you what's fucked up about that is that people were out there trying to spin it. Yeah. These people have enough problems. Their family has enough problems. This kid's got some major problems. Do you really need a bunch of assholes stirring up those rumors? And then you got assholes like me who immediately believed it.

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You ever read a headline and think, wait, that's not what I read earlier. Or hear a story that was covered two totally different ways and think, I wonder which one's telling the truth. We all know the news can be biased. Algorithms push stories that they think you want to see. And some outlets spin stories to fit a certain agenda.

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It gathers articles from across the political spectrum, tells you the bias of each source, and even lets you compare how different outlets are framing the same event. For example, the recent federal health agency layoffs. Left-leaning news described the layoffs as a major crisis, calling them a bloodbath that could harm important public health work like tracking diseases.

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You know, people think like that. So I'm going to jump in here and people can yell about it in the comment section. And I don't really care. I have a Spike Lee story.

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It's not my Spike Lee story. Okay. But I know a guy. So I was locked up with a guy named Andrew Levinson. We called him Red Bull because he was there for running a business opportunity scam that dealt with Red Bull. Anyway, Andrew. Andrew had a... I want to say it was a Bentley or a Rolls Royce. Let's go with a Bentley. I don't know which one it was, but so he had a Bentley.

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He's a member of like a really nice country club. He has a, he's living in a three, $4 million house, which, and he was living in, he was living in, I want to say like Palm beach area. You know, so, you know, it's Florida. So like a three or $4 million house, like a nice house. So, and so he and his wife, They go to they go to dinner at the country club. He said, we're leaving.

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And they walk up to the where the valet is and she turns to the valet and she hands him their ticket and says, it's the Bentley or it's the blue Bentley. And the guy takes the ticket and he looks at her and he goes, okay. And she goes, she said, are you going to get it? And then Andrew hears this going on. He comes up behind her and looks and he sees Spike Lee holding the ticket and

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for the valet ticket. And he looks at it and he's like, yeah, Spike Lee's like, I'm not the valet. And he goes, oh my God. And he reaches over and takes the thing. He's like, and I'm so sorry. And his wife's like, she's like, why aren't you going to get it? He's like, and she's like, what? And he goes, he's like, yeah, I'm not the valet. He's like, that's Spike Lee. And she goes, who's Spike Lee?

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And he goes, he's a director. He's like a famous director. And he's like, I'm so sorry. And Spike Lee goes, he goes, listen, not a big deal. He said, I totally get it. And he was like, he said, you know, he gives that the valet comes running up, gives it to valet. He's like, okay. And he was in my wife's defense. He had a jacket that was similar to the valet. You know, he tried.

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He said, bro, funniest fucking thing. He's like, his wife was like, oh my God, I'm so sorry. She's like apologizing. And, I thought that was funny. Cause he said, I said, he wasn't offended. He said, no, he started laughing. He just shook his head. Like, I don't worry. No problem.

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Let's go back to the press conference because I understand the press conference was eventful.

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Yeah, no, it's just the prosecutor walks up and he says this is what happened and he can shape it however he wants to shape it.

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Wow. I always think of manslaughter is around 10 to 15, but that's what I'm in Florida. So I don't know what it is in South Carolina.

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Florida's horrible. They give out stiff sentences. You do 85%. The guards beat your ass. There's no air conditioning, which is the worst part for me. I'll put up with a lot. But you got cockroaches and no air conditioning? No, I can't do it. I won't. I won't do it. I won't. I won't do it. I'm telling on everybody. You know me so well.

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One thing I got to ask is where the hell are the coaches and the parents that distract me? I know. I wondered that. Like how close in my mind, you know, it's so funny. You tend to formulate a scenario in your mind when you hear things.

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Yes, exactly. I have, I have a, a scenario in my mind, which is there's people around, but nobody's even close. And it's just, it's just Carmelo sitting underneath the awning and, You know, and sitting, he's sitting there, his book bag is on the chair next to him, little folding chairs underneath this little kind of awning thing that little tent, you know, the little tent stand that they put up.

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And the two brothers walk up and say, hey, you know, hey, bro, this is for whatever, you know, King High School or, you know, whatever, you know, this is for Cougar High School or whatever it is, you know.

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amalia erhart high school whatever so you know this is for uh um such and such high school uh and he sits there and make you know and he doesn't really say anything and they're like yo bro you got to get out of here and he's and he stands up and says what are you going to do about it next thing you know the kid that you know um and uh austin pushes him and then he he says get out of here he says he

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He turns around, goes to grabs his bag, reaches his hand in his bag and says, you fucking you know, you touch me again. You're going to fucking find out, motherfucker. And he turns around and as he turns around, he goes to push him again. The kid stabs him. Kid drops down. He immediately takes off running.

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His brother, you know, the brother standing there with with Austin the whole time, heard the whole thing. Carmelo runs off, ditches the knife, eventually gets picked up. nobody's really around that sees anything. You know, maybe the brother screams, people come running over. And in my mind, that's kind of the way I see it.

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The whole thing, what's so funny about that is when all of this comes out in the jury, you know, in front of a jury, it may be there were hundreds of people around. There were 14 people sitting there. He was just standing by himself next to the thing. He walked up and, you know, he may have been the aggressor You know, so Carmelo may have been the aggressor or Austin may have been the aggressor.

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Maybe he's sitting there humbly by himself and Austin comes up and immediately starts an argument or a fight. You know, like it will shift as you get the information. And as of right now, even in my scenario, which still says, hey, Austin is the aggressor. You know, I still see Carmelo as being wrong for all the reasons that we're going to go over.

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Um, but then again, I also in this, even in my scenario, you know, I still don't see, like, I still see, I still kind of see manslaughter, um, And I still don't see... You know, I see this... I see 15 years, 20 years. I don't see... Only because he's so young and he's just a stupid kid and you're 17. You know, kids are stupid at 17. You're bringing a knife. You're just a fucking idiot.

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But... And yeah, somebody died. So that's... But... I just, you know, my, my fear and my fear is here's what, what's going to happen while we're on, on the subject that I brought up. Um, my fear is that his family is going to turn it into a black on white, um, or white on black or, you know, black and white issue.

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Well, yeah, but I mean, you doing in the press and then going in front of the court, you know, is two different things. So I think they're going to do that in the courtroom. They're going to throw statistics out. They're going to talk about bullying. They're going to talk about how he felt, you know, he was intimidated.

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They're going to do all of these things and it's going to they're going to they're going to push that agenda and it's going to unravel in a courtroom in Texas. And this kid's going to get 30 years. Do you see what I'm saying? They're going to go with like, yeah, with this, with that, self-defense and this and that.

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And the problem is the prosecution is going to come in and dismantle all of that rhetoric. And he is, you know, he is, he is factually guilty and he's going to end up, and you could have pled it down to get 15, 10 or 15 for manslaughter. Instead, we went to trial. We got you for murder. You're getting 30 years. And that's, right, right.

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That, and that's, you know, that's my fear is that they think, oh, we can walk away. I don't see you walking away. No matter what the scenario is, I think in the end, he brought a knife, he pulled a knife, he stabbed someone. I'm not saying it was premeditated, but you shouldn't have brought the knife. Could have walked away.

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But even then, what's what's you can say that it was an it was a gut response. I was scared. I was I pulled out my knife and I just thought I was poking like it was you could you have that. It happened so fast and I was scared. And but if you had but you're saying you had a you had the opportunity to walk over, get the bag, open the bag, pull the knife, turn around. There's too many steps there.

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So better idea is probably just not that just to grab your shit and leave.

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Was their tent. Right. Was it your tent? No, it wasn't my tent. Why didn't you go to another tent? Why didn't you... And I have a question. I had heard once again, who knows what you hear in social media, right? I had heard that Carmelo had an issue where he brought a knife to school in the past. Is that true?

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And, you know, do we know that it was illegal or it was just you? He shouldn't have had it there. Or it was like, we don't know that. Do we know?

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No, I agree. But, you know, there's a difference between policy or, you know, it could be, you know, just brains and something that is, hey, that's a weapons charge. We don't know what it is. But what we do know is you had an opportunity, you had it with you, you had an opportunity to retrieve it, which means you also had an opportunity to walk away.

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Oh, yeah, they're going to say stuff about you that you're just going to be like. They can take a normal, everyday thing that nobody would think much of and make it sound so ominous and so horrific that you're like, what are you talking about? I was checking the mail. And by the time they get done saying it, it's going to be like, he was staking out this and he was intimidating.

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He came out every day and intimidated his neighbors. I was checking the mail. Where's your mail? You know, I was playing with my dog. My dog had to pee. You know, he had a vicious chihuahua that terrorized that neighborhood and bit children in the neighborhood. You're like, what are you talking about? They love that dog. So, yeah, yeah, they'll turn it into it'll be horrific.

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Like when by the time they get done with this kid with Carmelo, he he's going to be like this. I can't believe how they're They'll twist anything. Even if it's innocent, they're going to twist it and you're going to be a monster and you're going to end up with fucking 30 years or worse if they see this black and white issue.

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Yeah. Oh, they don't say anything to him. I got this. Yeah. Yeah. We're good. This proceeding will be open in a minute. I'll be able to go to lunch and you're going right back to the fucking holding cell.

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Mm-hmm. I mean, in his mind and his family's mind, they can't imagine being without him for the next 10 or 15 years. And he can't imagine going to prison for 10 or 15 years. So in their mind, they're thinking, no, no, we have to go to trial and we'll go to trial and win. That's where you're making the mistake. Going to trial and winning when honestly you are at some, you're guilty of

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Like this is not this is not self-defense. You're guilty of something. You need to try and get yourself in a position to accept the plea of the lowest charge with the lowest amount of time. As opposed to thinking that you didn't do anything wrong. It's a hard for people to accept that they did something wrong because you can justify it to yourself.

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Yeah, but I don't want to do 10 or 15 years in prison either.

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Bitch me up like a motherfucker as opposed to having to face a fucking potential... 30 year prison sentence. If you go to trial and here's the thing too, listen, like I, I know what you're saying, how you've kind of broken it down. And I've watched some videos on, on P on, um, lawyers. And, uh, we, that, that, uh, officer Tatum, Tatum officer Tatum breaks it down. He was a former police officer.

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These guys break it down. Um, and I, I understand, but the purse, the people that will really probably get, uh, a sense of what really happened and see all of the evidence is obviously the jury.

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You know, and the jury is going to be, he's, they're going to paint Carmelo as the prosecution will paint him as a monster. And, um, the, uh, Sorry. And his defense team will paint him as being this poor kid that was has been bullied and intimidated his whole life by these white kids. And these two white kids came up and they said this and they said that.

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And if it's just his word and he takes a stand and he cries a lot, it's his word against the brother's word.

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um in the end legally i still think he gets a lot of fucking i think they get him for murder as opposed to manslaughter and he's getting 25 or 30 years at least um if they try and do that like i said they try and do the whole black and white thing like god i think that's going to be the biggest fucking mistake because i don't think they're going to give a fuck in texas

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Yeah. Well, you know, the other thing is that press conference, it worries me that they're unwilling at this point, his family, him so far, it, it appears to be that there, there's no acceptance of any responsibility at all on their part. It it's, it's completely, uh, my poor son, poor, poor us. And it's like, wow, bro.

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Like that's not going to, to go over well in social media, maybe, but when it comes down to a courtroom, vastly different, like, you know, followers ain't shit to those 12 people on a jury. No, no. You know, it makes me think about, um, it's kind of like, like, look, there's actual innocent and there's factual innocence, right? You know what I mean? And OJ Simpson was factually innocent.

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That man butchered those two people. Okay? It's different, pal. I get it. I hear you, Chris. I want to believe you. No one does. But yeah, it's just... I feel like this is a case for Chris Todd. Chris Todd, I think, could jump in his vehicle right now, drive to Texas from L.A., where he lives in his basement. He could drive from his basement apartment to Texas.

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He could solve this whole thing over the weekend, write a book, and put it out. I think within a month, we'll know way before what's happening.

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I mean, it depends on if they try and do it. I don't know if there is a fast track system in Texas. I would say you could drag it out for a year to 18 months or maybe you could. I don't know. I don't know, Texas. So they could drag it out two years. Probably.

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Or at least out of that town. Because it's state. You're not getting it out of Texas. You might get it out of town. You're not getting it out of... Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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You're in South... You're in... Well, you're in South Carolina, but where in South Carolina? Charleston. You're in Charleston, South Carolina. I'm in Tampa, Florida. You called me up. and mentioned it. I was like, Oh yeah, yeah. You know, I've been watching. I've been, everybody knows about this at this point. Everybody.

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I think each gets six. No, no, no. I mean, you're you're it's not that. Well, so you have so many that you can kick off. Right. You could challenge. It's really just that you're both basically picking the jury.

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So let's say that I can say we have no problem with this jury, with this jury member. And the prosecution might come and say, strike. You only have so many strikes. They go, no, strike. We don't like them. Oh, I'm striking every white guy there is. Well, I understand. But you get to a point where if you have six strikes. Can't do anymore. Right. Then guess what? I'm picking the jury.

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You see what I'm saying? Like if you strike the first, they line up six white guys in a row and the defense uses all their strikes. Then the prosecution's like.

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Like, you know, they're getting the next six guys or the next 12, really, because that's how that process works. Now, they can argue. They can still have a conversation like, do you feel this? How do you feel about this? And the judge may say, I'm going to, I'm not okay. I'm not okay with this jury. Why? Well, because this guy or this juror, this guy works with, you know, with Austin's father.

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Right. You see what I'm saying? Like, I'm sorry. Or this guy said he used to be a member of the KKK, but he's all better now. Like, I don't feel good about that.

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If you and I sat here and just drilled down on Carmelo, right? Or we sat here and talked about what a horrific individual Austin was and this and you came up with all this stuff. This video gets half a million views.

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But because we're being level-headed, we'll be lucky to make 100,000. But at least we've made a video that is neutral. It's just like, this is the facts. This is the way, based on our opinion, this is the facts. This is how it works out. It's too bad that people will try this whole thing. But in the end, the people that are going to make the decision is going to be that jury.

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And even worse, the jury will make the decision. The judge will determine the sentence. Right. Now, I knew a guy one time, by the way, I was locked up with. Oh, this guy has such a such a horrific story. So he owned a body shop. And he's he's Mexican and he lives in California. I would say it's California or Texas. It might have been Texas. He lived in one of those states that borders Mexico.

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He's like, I'm Mexican. He's like, but I don't speak Spanish. You know, he owned a body shop. He pulls up in his Corvette one day. He's like, pull up in my Corvette. I pull up next to a truck with there's two or three Mexicans in it. It's like he's at like a like a 7-Eleven, a convenience store. Anyway, pulls up. He said, I go in. I get something to eat, whatever. I come back out.

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He's with his girlfriend, by the way. And with my girlfriend, he said, I came out. And as he's getting into his car, one of the Mexicans says something in Spanish. And he's like, you know, they talk to him. He opens the doors going to get it. And he's like, oh, I'm sorry, man. I don't I don't speak Spanish. And the guy says something else. He's like, you know, no habla.

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And the guy was like, you know, oh, he had jumper cables. He's like, can you jump the car or whatever it was. They were trying to get him to help him. And he was like, oh, yeah, I don't. I can. I get. Well, one of the he starts to say, yeah, I can. Let me pop the hood, you know, whatever. And one of the guys starts mouthing off. one of the Spanish guys, he's like one of the Mexicans.

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He's like, they were drunk. It's like they, he said one of them was clearly drunk. And he's like, Oh, you don't speak Spanish. You think you're better than us. And you're driving, you're driving. You're fucking your Corvette. You think you're bell. You don't speak Spanish, bro. I know you speak Spanish. You know? And he was like, he's like, man, he's like, I really don't speak Spanish.

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I was just thinking, keep your mouth shut. Like nobody, like, you know, why say that? Like you... He has he has he has the kid guilty or innocent. You have a right to try and raise money to try and put out mount a mount a defense for your son, like whether he's guilty or not. No matter what, you have a constitutional right. I'm allowed to raise money. I'm allowed to pay for a defense.

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It's like, I don't speak Spanish. So he said, I didn't speak Spanish. And so he, um, He ends up saying, basically going, yeah, you know what? Good luck, bro. Goes to get in his car. The guy is coming around, gets in his face as he's trying to get in. And he said, the guy starts fighting him. Like they start fist fighting. So I'm fist fighting. The other guys jump in.

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He says, I'm trying to climb into my car to get away from them. He said, my girlfriend is screaming her head off. He said, I get into, I'm holding onto my seat and I remember my guns under my seat. I, he said, he reaches in, he pulls out, he pulls his gun out, turns around, boom, shoots one of the guys. He said the other guys, I think they kind of take off. He stands up.

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The other guy is still there, struggle, kind of like grabbing for the gun. He said, I shoot him. He hits the ground and he unloads it. He unloads the entire clip into him. That's what you said. That's where I fucked up. He said, shooting him. I had no problem. They said, you know, you shooting him fine. They said, but when he hit the ground, you unloaded your entire fucking clip in him.

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Now, now he was arrested for for murder. His whole thing was I was being attacked. I guess they were like, yeah, but, you know, you you was it was way more than just deadly force. Like you executed this guy or he when he when he dropped backwards and hit the ground and everything, you could you should have stopped. He wasn't a threat anymore. You unloaded the clip.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And he's like, keep in mind, he said, I was trained by a guy. when I got my art, my light, your concealed weapons permit, they were like, you unload your fucking clip to make sure these guys don't come back. This is what he's telling me. I don't know. It's true or not.

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He, he had money. At that time, he had money. I don't know if he still had money. He must have still had money because I'll tell you another part to it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, his lawyer does. So I remember he said they hired, they did three mock trials. He said, I lost two of them. One of them was a draw. It's not good. No, he said, I still went to, he said, I still went to, um, uh, went to whatever it is. Uh, I still went to trial. He said, because I, they're, they were offering him. I forget what it was.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They were offering him 15, like 15, 15 years or something. He didn't want to take it. And he's like, I didn't feel I did anything wrong. He goes to trial. They get on there. Uh, they, they do the whole thing. He loses. He loses and he gets sentenced. And I want to say, I don't remember the sentence. Let's say he got 30 years or 25 years. I don't know. Okay. I don't remember the sentence.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Because he said, so my lawyer is like, so I got 30 years. I'm waiting to go to jail, to prison. I'm locked up. I'm now in custody because he was out.

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You know, he was a, he had, he'd gotten bond. Now he's, they take you, you know, that would, you've boom, boom sentence. Take them.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He said, my lawyer puts in a motion to whatever, you know, quash this evidence and get a new trial and whatever. And he said, um, And he said, the judge denied it. He said, he came back to me and he said, yeah, we got the denial. He said, I'm, I'm talking to him through the glass, right? I'm in jail waiting to be moved to prison.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'm presumed innocent. You know that thus far that senator doesn't know what happened.

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He said, he said, look, I can file a, whatever, a Johnson motion or whatever you call it. I don't know what it was. And he's like, yeah, you see the first motion was like fucking 45 pages. Denied. He said, second motion. He's a 25 pages. Denied. He said, comes back. He said, I can file this motion. He said it was about 10 pages. Denied.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He said, comes back and said, I can try and say that they did not prove that it was not premeditated, but it was something. Because it wasn't premeditated. It was something that they didn't prove. They didn't prove their case. And he goes, it's a weak argument, bro. It's weak. And he said, and he goes, He said, fuck it, bro. Just file it. Just file it. And he goes, okay. He files it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He said, I'm talking about like six. He's just like fucking five pages, six pages. And that includes the front page, the one you find. This thing's like four pages of actual content, four and a half or something. It's not good. He said the judge said, OK, you're right. I don't think they proved their case beyond the shadow. I don't think it's whatever it was. He said it was a weak argument.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Judge said, I absolutely agree. Absolutely. Boom. He said. They had 10 days to refile. Their case. The charges. And he said so that my conviction, boom, gone, my sentence gone. He said they had 10 days, they refile for it. Okay, we'll take them to trial again. He said, then they came to him and they said, look, we'll give you time served or something.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I forget what it was, maybe three years or five. It was extremely a minor, minor, whatever, right? Maybe six months. I don't know what it was, but it was so, he was like, oh, fuck yeah, signed it. He said, so I want to say it was some kind of time served, but he was a felon. He's now a felon. He's like 10 years.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Correct. Because keep in mind, too, they're going to present the exact same evidence that they've already presented. And he's already gotten this award. So there was less likelihood that he was going to be found. He's like, because I was thinking, well, they already found you guilty once. They're just do it again. He goes, no, no, no, no.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Because now I have this motion and they can only present the same thing is they don't have any new information. By the way, this I thought was funny, too. His girlfriend had broken up with him. And I think he was engaged to a woman he had met while he was out on bond or something. Maybe he was married. I don't know. But she was with him the whole time he was locked up.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Here's the interesting thing. He. Oh, shit. He the girlfriend that he broke up with. that was there, she testified for him. I was like, bro, you're, you're lucky. He's like, I mean, we were in good, it just didn't work out. It's like, you know, it's like I've barely been dating her. We've been dating a few months and he was, and this was traumatic. And you know, she didn't sign up for that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He's, but I love the fact that he was, and when we broke up, she said, listen, no matter what happens, I will come and testify for you. He isn't, she didn't. She was like, I'm testifying in the fucking next one. She's like, you didn't do anything. I know I, I would, she's like, I was fucking terrified. Um, so yeah, He takes the deal. He gets out.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I want to say six or seven years later, his somebody is selling drugs. Maybe he was selling drugs. I don't know what the issue was, but his body shop was raided. They find nothing. There's nothing. Whatever. I don't know if it was because of him or if it was because of an employee. I don't know what it was. I want to say it was an employee. He said, I didn't have nothing to do with nothing.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But they raided his place. They find a gun. It's his gun. He gets five years. Oh, because he's a felon in possession of a firearm. So he ends up getting like five years. He goes to he had gone to another prison for a couple of years and then he came to Coleman. And that's when I met him in Coleman. I would I want to say his name was Eddie.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Anyway, here's what I always thought was very interesting about Eddie. By the time he got this charge, he's now got a daughter who's like five years old, four or five years old, still owns the body shop, married. goes to jail. When he goes to jail, he wrote something like, he said, he wrote 50 letters because he goes, my wife is my lifeline to the outside. He's like, you know how it is.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And I was like, right, right. He's like, I have no ability to be on the internet. I can't really email back. I can't, you know, he's like, I know everybody she knows. She's really the only person I'm communicating with. I said, okay. He wrote like 50 letters to department stores throughout the United States. So he said, first I hit my area, nobody.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Then more areas, then other ways at Dillard's, Burdine, Saks. He finally got a woman from, here's what he was writing. I want to be able to send my wife presents without anybody knowing. And I'm in prison. I need help. There are 50 letters. Some woman at Saks Fifth Avenue wrote him a letter back and said, you have to pay up front. I will pick the presents and I will wrap them and mail them.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That's views. Why do you think we're doing this?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And, you know, and you have to pay up front. And he was like, that's all. He's like, that's all I want. I'll pay up front like a much under. This isn't a scam. I just don't want my wife to know. Like, I want these things to show up and she has no idea how they're getting there. I want to say it was like three or four years he'd been doing this.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And his wife was like, she's getting stuff for her birthday, for Christmas, for... And, you know, the woman was... He's like, she's writing him letters. Hey, and she... Oh, she sent him... She would send him... like catalogs and Hey, we just got this. Your wife might like this. He's like, it became almost a friendship. Yeah. She looked up my case. She'd, she'd read about it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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She had cut out articles and sent them. If you need anything else, let me know. Like really a good person. And he said, you know, of course I, you know, I, I sent them, I was able to, cause you can have, if you have an inmate account, you can have checks issued and mail places.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So this is a huge effort on his part. But he did that, and that's one of the reasons that he sticks out to me. Because his case was like, wow, bro, you're in prison. He only took up a plea because he was so scared to go to trial. And he's like, listen, if the mock trials, he said, if I hadn't been found guilty and the mock trials kept telling me, he said, I would have gone to trial again.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And so the only reason he was in prison was was because he accepted the plea and he accepted the felony. If he hadn't accepted the felony... The gun wouldn't have mattered. The gun wouldn't have mattered and he wouldn't have had to go to jail for five years or four years. I forget what they gave him. Four years, five years. Um...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And, uh, yeah, there's, listen, there's like another part of his story that is so heart wrenching. I'm not going to tell you it between him and his daughter, because I really have to start, stop fucking getting emotional on these fucking podcasts and tearing up. And I can't even tell you this.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I can't even think about it without fucking getting fucked, getting fucked up that bad has something to do with him and his daughter, just a horrible situation. Um, I mean, she's a, she was a sweet girl and everything was just a realization on her part about him having to visit him in prison. One day she realizes what's happening. Like she doesn't, you know, you're four or five.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You don't really know, but years she's starting to figure out something's wrong, you know? And then they get to that point where it's like, daddy, come home. Come. Why don't you come with us? Come, you know? Oh, fucking just, oh yeah, bro. And it's much worse. I'll tell you when I, I'll tell you when we get off. You're going to be fucked up. It's fucked up.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And he can't mount that defense at trial. Correct. He can't use that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Um, but he's for both families. Absolutely. I mean, I, I think that the kid, I think Carmelo fucked up. You're a fucking real asshole. You know what I'm saying? It was a real piece of shit move. It was a stupid move. But I also take into consideration you're a 17-year-old boy. I think it's manslaughter. That's what I think it is.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. Politicians and actors like I always love some actor who was into happened to be in a series or two hit movies. Now suddenly decides he knows who should run, who should be the next president. It's like, bro, come on. You you barely took acting classes. Like, who are you? You play, you know, you played Chewbacca and Star Wars. Like, what are you doing?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. Yeah. I was gonna say the, the, you know, the real problem is, is that there, there's just, there is no good solution.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It was like, Oh, this is what you, there will never be a good solution because this, you know, Austin is not coming back. You know, like there's just no, and, and, and, and Carmelo is going to have an irrevocable, uh,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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OK, well, let's so first you want to just kind of recap what happened. Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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monkey wrench thrown in you know rightfully so yeah thrown into his life and he his life will forever be um defined by this it's something it will never leave him um you know so like i said in the end it's just no matter how much time he gets or doesn't get it's just never going to bring back the other kid and it's just it's just 100 years that family's never going to heal from that

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, absolutely. You give them 10 years or 100 years. No matter what, it's just a shitty solution because there's no good solution. Hey, you guys, if you like the video, do me a favor. Hit the subscribe button. Hit the bell so you get notified of videos just like this. Please consider... joining my Patreon. And also, Wade has, so Hollywood Wade, Hollywood Wade has a channel.

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It is called Crime and Entertainment. In the description box, I'm going to leave the link to Crime and Entertainment. You can click on the link. You can shoot right to his channel. Anyway, once again, I appreciate it. Thank you very much. See ya.

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You know, you were the love interest in, you know, whatever. Like, come on, man. And I mean, that's both parties. Like, these guys need to just mind their own business.

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Sometimes you can sign your house over or you put a lien on your house and you put less down. So they may not have had to come up with $100,000. Maybe it was $50,000 or $20,000.

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Um, I was gonna say yours once again, reasonable because you have kids, you're married, you own a home in the, in the community. You're an upstanding citizen. You've been, you had been on the same job for a decade or whatever it was, five years, whatever. I don't know what it was, but I actually 15 at that point, 50, like you're not going anywhere.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And yours was your, and you were going to, you were saying not guilty, self-defense and,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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These people have enough problems. You really need a bunch of assholes stirring up those rumors. And then you got assholes like me who immediately believed it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like he should have gotten out on bond. He should have been given. In my opinion, he should be given bond. He has a right to mount a defense. He needs to take part in that defense. It's much easier if you're out. And also the other thing about bond people don't realize is like he's not going anywhere. Oh, he did this. He's not going anywhere. He's not running. He's at home with his family.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He's recognizable. I promise you this kid isn't going anywhere.

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In a case like this, they very, very seldomly does anybody run.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And first of all, the lawyers probably saying, you know, lawyers typically are saying like, don't say anything. They're probably just not listening to the lawyer.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Or this minister. You did say minister.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, I'm pretty sure it's a $50 certificate. So this minister, he may have already been a friend of the family. Maybe they go to church. They already know him. He shows up. We need to do this. So he may already have them under his spell.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So this is a screenshot that I sent to my client. And she goes, he seemed very scammy when we spoke with him. Yikes. Prison was the best thing that ever happened to me. It's put me in a situation to not just help people, but it keeps me honest. And I see every day the mistakes that people are making, PPP loans, all this stuff.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So after you either take your plea deal, you go to trial and lose, you're going to have a pre-sentence interview with U.S. probation. And during that interview, they're going to ask you a bunch of yes and no questions. Where were you raised? Things about your bank account. Not really much about your crime.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They already have all of the relevant conduct on your crime, but they're going to ask you mental health questions, substance abuse questions, all of these things. And the interview is anywhere from 30 minutes to maybe an hour. Sometimes you'll get a really good probation officer that might like do a deep dive with you and sit there for two hours.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But usually it's 30 minutes to an hour where they ask you these yes and no questions. And based on how you answer these questions, they now go in and create your entire life. And this is what they're going to use to show who you are at court. So it's really not painting a very accurate picture at all. It's painting a very one-sided, narrow, 30-minute conversation picture.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So one of the things that we do working with the care, uh, with the personal narrative, a, instead of just having the client go in and write this narrative out of scratch and say, Hey, Matt, write me a letter about your life, you know, because you're going to go off on a tangent. You don't know what's important. What's not important.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You might think, you know, and really what it comes down to is you're back to a corner. So you start pleading, please, your honor. I've got kids. I've got a sick mother. I've got cats stuck in the tree. I, the world needs me. Um, And we take a different approach.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Instead of just having you write your letter, we have a whole interview process where once somebody becomes a client, we send them a personal narrative link. And when they click on that link, there's an audio explainer that tells them this is how you should start. And instead of having them write their letter, there's just a series of questions.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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and they answer those questions with a form of a paragraph and then once we get that information back our team then takes that information we go in and craft the narrative for you on your behalf but instead of just having you give it to the judge if you hire us in time we also want to provide that to the probation officer that's going to conduct the pre-sentence interview

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Because they're asking you all of these very basic yes or no questions about your entire fucking life history. We want to make sure that that probation officer has everything that they could possibly need to create a value, a value and effort when it comes to the narrative.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And most of the time we'll have the same thing happen almost every time when our client walks in there with their narrative, with their education, with their medical records, they go in with a nice portfolio.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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the probation officer says, I wish every defendant came this prepared and it can really result in a better recommendation from U S probation as to what type of sentence the court should hand down. So that's probably like a pivotal starting point where we plant our feet is right in that area. You know, I know it's, I know it's brilliant.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You don't have to, you don't have to stroke my ego too much, man.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And it's really such an awe-shocking moment. Look at it this way. Have you ever watched a traffic cam where you'll see two people get into a car accident? And you'll be like, oh, man, if that was me driving the car, I would have downshifted in a second. I would have swerved. I would have hit the brake. I would have pulled the e-brake, and I would have wiggled out of it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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In hindsight, it's easy to look at in slow motion how you would handle things differently. But when you're in the heat of the moment, And it's no different. You know, somebody slams into a car, probably they're bracing, closing their eyes and slamming on the brakes. That's probably the extent of their attempt to evade. So you've got a similar situation.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You've got somebody sitting in there in front of a probation officer in an environment that you're not comfortable in. It's a very... bleak environment and your mind's not really ready to answer these questions. So you just start kind of rambling off and you don't want to say the wrong thing.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So you're you're trying to think about you're trying to give answers that you think they want without knowing what they want or don't want. So you're playing this complete game of Russian roulette. They ask you, you have any substance abuse issues? You ever drink alcohol? Oh, no, no, never. Thinking that that's going to make me look better or I'm not going to get in more trouble.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Now you've kind of shot yourself in the foot and you're no longer eligible.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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now if you didn't drink and you didn't use any drugs and you didn't have any kind of addictions and yeah of course you want to be honest but if you smoke a little bit of pot on the weekends if you're going out on the weekends and having cocktails if you're having a glass of wine with your with your significant other on a regular basis maybe you're on prescription narcotics that you're supposed to take you're being prescribed you're not necessarily abusing it you're using its its recommended dose but

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You talk to anybody that's been on like Oxycontin, Oxycodone, Percocets. Once you're on that type of a drug for a long enough period of time, if you take that away from somebody, there is an addictive property that you might be addicted just because you're not sitting under a bridge banging heroin into your vein doesn't mean that you don't necessarily have a drug problem.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So helping somebody better educate themselves and how to go into this interview better prepared. And that's really the whole the whole key to success is preparation of every step of the way. But to be honest, this is not even an industry I enjoy anymore. It's become so bastardized with all. I've seen more consultants pop out of the woodwork in in the last like 24 months or

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And when I talk to people and like, oh, well, I don't know, Dan, I spoke to this guy and I spoke to that guy and they said they can do this and they're only going to charge me this.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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At a certain point, you look at somebody and you say, hey, if somebody is going to do all this work for a thousand dollars and you think they're going to be there for you because we're with our clients from the point they hire us until they get out of prison.

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And, you know, some people, sure, they've only got, you know, 12 to 18 month sentences, but other clients got seven to 10 year sentences and we're committing to be attached to them for this period of time.

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If somebody else is telling you that they're going to do that for, you know, a thousand dollars or $2,000 to chances are, you know, you're, you're, you're believing the hype because it sounds good at the moment. And you're so desperate for help that you end up putting yourself into an undesirable situation that creates undesirable outcomes.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, it also creates a lot of other issues. We also had a, it wasn't a client, it was a viewer we had that had a family member that died in federal prison.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Very, very wealthy family member who found my channel and just wished to God that their family had, honestly, reading his family member's story, there's nothing we could have done, but I think he just wished that they had that kind of a resource when they were going through it.

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So they, they started sending donations and these were, they were started sending, there was a couple of months where they'd sent like over 10 grand in donations, uh, through on camera, um, sending over donations. And the guy asked me, he said, I only ask that you use these donations to help people that can't afford your services. And I was like, all right, that's fair.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Instead of charging somebody like three grand, if this guy sends us some money, we can supplement that. We're still charging you something, but we're going to use that to knock the price down for you. So we were charging people like $995 instead of $3,000, $4,000, $5,000. The problem was... is these people that were willing to pay the $1,000 or less, they became the biggest headaches.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They were the ones that wouldn't do the assignments, they wouldn't fill out the forms. Like when it comes to the character reference letters, just like I told you how we do the personal narrative, we send you a link, you fill out the survey, send the survey back, we take your answers, we go in and create your narrative. Well, we do the same thing with your friends and family for your references.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So like if you're in trouble and your mom's gonna write you a reference letter, Instead of your mom just saying, oh, my little Matt is such a good boy. He didn't mean to do this, Your Honor. Please give him a second chance. We would have your mom fill out the survey, how she knows your relationship, how this has had an impact on her. Go through the whole fucking thing.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And then we create the same thing. Well, the problem was is these people had no – No skin in the game, and it didn't really become an issue for them until all of a sudden now it's the last minute. They've got sentencing coming. It's the final hour, and they come like, Dan, we need all this stuff done tomorrow. And they want you to drop everything. Yeah, they want us to drop everything.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Even though their agreement will say we typically like a minimum of two-week turnaround time to do your letters so we can – We like to do the letters once you have a copy of your plea agreement. That way we can review the plea agreement. We can see what you're pleading guilty to. We can see what you're talking about in the crime section of your narrative.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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We want to make sure that everything lines up. But when you give us minimal time to create this masterpiece, it's like telling Picasso, hey, hurry up on your fucking painting. I got to get somewhere. You know, you do paintings. And if you had to rush one, and I'm sure there's been times where you've had a client that needed a painting and maybe you didn't get to it as soon as you should have.

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Now I'm almost like, I don't want to I don't want to go through the whole thing because you have to explain the whole thing.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And there's a little bit of a price that's paid there because you're rushing something and you're not giving yourself time to take a step back, look at what can be corrected, get some second eyes on it. So that was the problem we had with... with giving people really low prices is they became the headaches.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They became the ones that wanna leave bad reviews, that wanna argue with you, that wanna call up and threaten your life. So it's not worth it taking shortcuts or looking for the cheap deal. This isn't a Kmart product. This isn't a Walmart product.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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This is something that if you utilize the tools and the service that we have, not only can it ultimately give you a sentence reduction or maybe no prison at all, It gives you, you're sleeping at night. Your family knows how to deal with this. You're, you're completely changing who you were to who you are. And that can't be done on a, on a, on a, on a, on a McDonald's type of price. Yeah.

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Yeah. Acceptance responsibility.

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We see it a lot and we've been fortunate enough to go to a lot of our clients' sentencings. But I also go sit in because it's all public information. You can go to your local federal courthouse and you can look at the docket of who's getting sentenced, what types of crimes. So I always tell my clients, you know, like I've got a client right now. She's a co-defendant.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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She's got, I don't know, seven or eight co-defendants in her case that are all getting sentenced before her. i told her i was like you should go sit in on on i wish i could read my phone but i'm using it as a camera right now i told her i said you should go sit in on the sentencing and her exact words were like are you crazy i don't want to go anywhere near that courthouse I was like, I get it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I get that it's uncomfortable, but I was like, you're going to go to the courthouse. You have to go there. You're going for your sentencing. It's uncomfortable to go sit there and watch somebody else get sentenced, but it gives you an idea. It does a couple things. One, it breaks down this awe-shocking of you walk in and you're in this massive building.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Again, we talk about how you're driving and get in a car accident. You close your eyes, slam on the brakes and hit everything. Well, it's the same thing sitting in a courtroom. This is for the most part, first, second, third time you've been sitting in a courtroom and you're getting ready to get sentenced to potentially years. Everything is kind of a haze that you don't remember.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It all becomes like a lost memory. So going in and sitting on prior sentences to other co-defendants or other individuals that have similar types of cases, especially if it's the same judge, you can learn so much by taking notes.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And if I didn't have this kind of accountability over my head, I don't know that I would have stayed on a straight and narrow path. Making a living, being able to work from home. Sure, there's stresses that come with that, but I wouldn't trade this for the world.

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You can see somebody get up and not take responsibility and negate everything they did in their plea agreement, just like you said, start kind of spinning out of control, and they didn't have a search warrant, Your Honor, and da-da-da-da-da. Next thing you know, it's like, You signed a plea agreement. You came in front of this court.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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How I became- A prison consultant, my field of education. So prior to going to prison, and I know we've spoken about this in some of your old videos, and we could post a link to it for the first video I did. But prior to going to prison in 2014, I self-surrendered September 23rd, 2014. And on September 20th, 2014...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You put in a change of plea, pleading guilty, saying you understood what you're signing and you did it on your own free accord. And now here you are backpedaling. And yeah, you're going to lose acceptance. You're going to lose responsibility. You could lose a 5K1. All kinds of horrible things could happen to somebody.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And the attorneys at this point, all they can do is kind of cover their face and look down because the damage is done and you're going to pay for it. What are they going to say? What are they going to say?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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There's nothing you can say on there other than, you know, I imagine most judges would look directly at the attorney and say, did you advise your client of what they were to do here today in court? Because it doesn't sound like you've ever had a conversation with them. Most of the time, the attorney will backpedal and say, oh, your honor. Yeah, I told him he knew.

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I don't know where this is coming from.

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Oh, it makes them look far worse, bro. Makes them look far worse. I had to call. I had to do an attorney call today with a client. She sent me. Yes. So we just did her narrative. We finished it last week, sent it to her. Her pre-sentence report was supposed to be today. Actually, what's today? Today's Thursday. It's supposed to be tomorrow.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And she was having a sit down with her attorney today to go. Today was the first time her attorney says, all right, let's get together and go over what you're going to do with the pre-sentence interview. And like the pre-sentence interviews tomorrow.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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um so she submitted her narrative that we did to the attorney and said i want to turn this in at the time of my pre-sentence interview and the attorney said no no we submit this with your sentencing memorandum when we do your sentencing packet which that's what almost 99 of all attorneys do two weeks before you get sentenced there's a sentencing memorandum that your attorney is going to prepare on your behalf there's also going to be a government's sentencing memo that's going to be submitted which is probably going to be that thick

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And the sentencing memo that most criminal defense attorneys submit are like that thick and it's double spaced, double pages, not much information in there. So when she told me this, I said, why don't you get your attorney to agree to do a call with me so I can explain to them the method of why we want to submit it during the pre-sentence interview.

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I've come to the belief that the reason why most attorneys don't want to do that isn't necessarily because they don't believe in it. It's because they probably haven't really read your letter and they're afraid that you're going to fuck up and lose your acceptance responsibility by saying something wrong in that letter. The attorney didn't want to get on a call with us.

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And we have a video that we did or that we got from somebody else that did an interview with the judge asking the judge what they thought about submitting the narrative at the time of the pre-sentence report. And the judge gave an amazing, raving review on that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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The judge said, you know, I've never seen that done before, but I would be highly impressed if the defendant took the time to do their narrative that far in advance and submit it to a pre-sentence report. And the judge said, you know, we like to read everything that's put in front of us, but I can tell you the one thing I'm going to read that's

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diligently over and over and over again is the pre-sentence report. So if you have your narrative submitted in that pre-sentence report, I think that's a great idea as long as the narrative is reflecting the true matters of the situation. So the attorney agreed to get on a call. We had a call with the attorney today at 1.30 just before you and I got on here.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And after I finished speaking with him, he was all for it. attorneys don't like to give up any, they like to stay in control. They don't like to admit that something that there's an idea. I'm not going to say all attorneys, but they don't like to admit that they're an idea that has been entered into the realm of thinking here. They like to be the ones that come up with everything.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And I have no problem with letting the attorneys quarterback the entire thing. But ultimately, if all of our interests are joined together, and if my interest and your interest as the attorney, Matt,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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if we sit down at a round table and we do what's in the best interest for the client and we all work on what our expert, our levels of expertise are, it usually is going to generate a outcome that is going to be favorable for the defendant. Because as you know, Guidelines are only advisable unless there's a minimum mandatory in effect.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So just because you have guidelines that say the low end of your guidelines are 30 months, the judge could still give you probation. So why not do everything that you could do to put yourself in that position? And that brings us back to why this is getting to be a tougher and tougher industry, because now we're dealing with with with prison consultants.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I posted a video on YouTube and I titled it, I think something like I'm going to federal prison for 42 months or something along the lines of that. Getting ready to go to prison was terrifying. As anybody that's ever been that doesn't have a criminal history that's kind of going for the very first time, you imagine federal prison being exactly like what you see on TV, which it can be.

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who are truly just in this for the money, and they found that they can use fear to push people into areas, which I got an email from a client yesterday that I'm going to share this with you. When you have Colby Edit just – I don't think there's anything in there that's private, so I'm not even worried about it here. Let's pull it up.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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This was an email yesterday sent to me from one of my clients that hired me last year, early last year.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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that's okay the guy this this this the phone that's the email from the prison consultant that's the number he uses uh so if anybody i guess i'm advertising for another prison consultant but that's fine um so sam mangle or mangle or mangel however you say his name he's a consultant that for as long as i know him being a consultant he's worked for another consulting company called white collar advice

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And I guess he's parted ways from white-collar advice or white-collar advice fired him. I don't know the real story yet, but it basically says, good morning. As you know, I've terminated my relationship with both white-collar advice and prison professors last week. My philosophy of helping people became much different from theirs. I decided it was time to move on.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I want you to know, blah, blah, blah. He wants you basically trying to get business. So he sent an email, I think, to every lead he's ever spoken to. So he must have either taken the leads from white collar advice and prison professors or he had his own database. I'm not really sure how he got a hold of all of these, but this client had already hired me and they spoke to Sam prior to hiring me.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So when she sent me this, I was like, oh, wow, he's no longer there. I was curious. So I jumped over and I Googled his name. And this is what comes up when you Google his name. So on White Collar Advice's website, which White Collar Advice is owned by Justin Perperny and Prison Professors, that segment is run more by Michael Santos. This is what they said about him.

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We terminated our relationship with Sam December 22 for cause after we discovered his pattern of deceiving and misrepresentation to customers that trusted in our team. We caution anyone to do due diligence before working with Sam. The information below is what Sam Mangle provided to us, but it is an example of the deceptive ways that he represents himself. So

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it's got his education, a little family history, work experience, personal.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, I don't know what the deceptive practices are here. I haven't spoken with Justin Paperny or Michael Santos, and full transparency, the three of us probably don't get along all that well. I've had some run-ins with other consultants in the past, and I will tell you this. I will say this. Out of all the consultants that are out there, there's a lot of them now.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I will say that as much as I don't necessarily agree with everything that –

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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white collar advice and prison professors do as far as the way they charge and whatnot i will say that i've i've never known them to to lie cheat or steal i've never known them to to be shady towards customers they may charge more than customers want to pay but you know if you don't want to pay what they're charging go somewhere else but sam so i took a screenshot of this

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And I sent it to my client and my client responded with, so this is a screenshot that I sent to my client. And she goes, he seemed very scammy when we spoke with him. um, yikes. And then, uh, talk to you at 4 PM cause I had a call with her 4 PM. So clearly my client even got a bad feel when she spoke to Sam. And that's not the first time that I've, that I've had these run-ins with Sam.

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If you go to a high enough security, it can be dangerous. You can have all kinds of prison politics. But I'd watched every horrible movie, Shawshank Redemption, Locked Up Abroad, TV show Oz, just terrified. So... Skip forward, I self-surrender to prison, I get there and realize almost immediately it's nothing like what I imagined it being like. It was overwhelmingly a positive experience.

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Uh, I did, I should have screenshot of that. I'll send you the screenshot, Matt, and you can add it to the stream or add it to the video when you guys do your editing. But I sent, I sent some messages to Sam right after this, ask him if he would like to comment. And he really didn't have much to say. I do know Justin Papernia has no problem with suing people.

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So I have a feeling if Sam stole their database of clients and is now reaching out to all of them to further his own agenda... Kind of fucked up, bro. It's not entirely... If I had to take a side on this, I'm going to go with Sam is probably in the wrong here because I've had several clients... I've had clients record calls.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I've had clients send me emails where Sam has said things that just can't be done. And I was always so baffled. I'm like, how the fuck are they letting this guy work there running around saying these kind of things? And you were asking me, you know, Why is it just me on my team that does all of the sales and deals with all of the initial engagement with customers?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It's because ultimately at the end of the day, this is my business. This is my baby. Everything that goes great, I reap the benefits. Everything that goes sideways, if I hired you, Matt Cox, to be my sales marketing team and you went out there and promised everybody a free Mercedes-Benz with a prison consulting package, and then you disappear, you know, it's going to reflect poorly on me.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So you're a reflection of your team. And I don't know if they didn't do their due diligence or what, but there's a bad blood in the water, but this is typical. And this is what I have to deal with, with the prison consulting world of people are just getting burned left and right. They don't know who to trust.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I agree. I probably wouldn't have done that. I would have just, you know, if anybody reached out to me, obviously I would have, you know, or maybe sent to my, to my clients, to my client database that Sam had any, any hands-on, I may have sent them an email and said, Hey, just so you know, Sam is no longer part of the team and left it at that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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We parted ways, but, but now you're going into a, a shit situation. throwing battle at each other and uh something tells me they'll end up with something getting served somewhere somebody's gonna get sued um But this is the problem you'll have when you try to bring on – look, we've got people that work with us for sure, but it's back end. They get paid to do a job.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They're not getting paid based on what you collect. And I don't want to have to charge a client. I don't want – Matt comes in and goes, oh, so typically what would you charge this guy, Dan? Five grand? Well, I'm going to charge him $6,000 so I can make extra commission. To me, that's just – it's kind of taken away from the need.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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When you go to a federal camp or a federal low security, If you're going somewhere like that versus a medium or a penitentiary, there's not really a lot to worry about. So prison was pretty doable. I went in, did my time, did RDAP, got a year off, got 11 months halfway house and a bunch of home confinement. So on my 42-month sentence, I only did 13 months.

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Cause you're dealing with people that are very, very, very vulnerable and unstable to an extent. So that's why, uh, that's why it's been great doing this stuff with you because, um, Oh, and any, anybody interested in reaching out to us, uh, Matt, I think you got a link, right?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, so there's going to be a specific link that Matt has that when you go to the link, it's going to bring you to basically the page you're seeing right here. And when you click on start here, it will ask you some real basic information that you're going to fill out about your case. It will prompt you to book a consultation. Consultation's free. All of our consultations are free.

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And we even sometimes do a second and third consultation for free depending on what the reason is. But, yeah, if anybody wants to get a hold of us through this video, we've got a link with Matt. And there's also a QR code that Matt will probably have. I don't know if maybe your editor will just put that QR code up on the screen so people can just take a picture of it with their phone.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know, so helping people has been, you know, look, I want to make money as much as the next guy. I just there's nothing worse than going, well, I spoke to this guy and he said he could do this and this and this. And it's like, does that sound rational to you? Does it sound like that that can be done? Just all kinds of false statements. And so, yeah, so they parted ways. Yeah.

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The prison consulting though in itself is just – it's a tough business, man. It's not easy because somebody hires you today and you're with that person until they finish their prison sentence, up and down.

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Yeah.

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That's what the attorney said?

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But when I got to the federal halfway house, after about a week there, I was finally able to check my email. And in my email, I saw all of these YouTube comments, YouTube comment, YouTube comment. And I forgot I even posted that video. There is no intent behind creating that video other than just getting some anxiety off my chest, I think.

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It's just they're trying to rush you through the process, all that comes down to. And we get people all the time that are like, oh, man, I had a gun charge, but they decided to drop the gun. Whenever there's a gun that's – like let's say they storm Matt Cox's house and they find a bunch of drugs and there's a gun also there.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Even if they drop the gun charge, there's still going to be a gun enhancement. You're still going to get what's called a two-level enhancement, right?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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added to your which isn't it's not going to give you the charge but it's going to enhance your guidelines and when you get the two level gun enhancement even if they didn't charge you for the gun you still can't do rdap so i get people all the time that are telling me oh my god they dropped the gun charge i'm going to get rdap they my attorney told me this they told me i'm going to go to this prison and look the judge can't can't order you to rdap the judge can't tell you what prison you're going to go to they can only make recommendations if you don't have enough solidified documented proof and uh

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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the right date frames and everything articulated into the pre-sentence report everything the judge does is purely a recommendation when you get to the bop and you sit with your case manager you sit with the rdap coordinator you sit with the prison psychologist like oh you don't qualify for rdap but my judge said well all your judge said was we recommend that you take a drug program well we have a class you can go to it's an hour a week for 30 hours but you get no time off and all of a sudden like i don't want to go to that i just want the time off

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And you'll find people just getting really bent sideways, and it's because they did not properly prepare. Most of our clients, I would say, after they hire us, you know, they all hire us for the same reason. They want a shorter sentence. They want to get an RDAP. That's the majority of the reasons why they hire us.

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But usually with a few weeks, a couple months into it, I'll ask them, you know, the same questions we asked them early on. And they... More so and more so as we go further, they become less and less concerned with how much time they're going to get because now they understand the system. They're coming to terms with it. They're sleeping better at night. They're changing patterns in their life.

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So I started reading all these comments and their comments were mostly people getting ready to go to prison for the first time. Some a lot of white collar and a lot of blue collar comments.

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They're doing things that they weren't doing before. They're treating their family better. It's really creating a whole different mindset. We offer the life coaching, the family coaching, the substance abuse help.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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We've created such an artillery of tools and assets to help these individuals not just serve a shorter sentence but get their lives straightened out because most people that go to prison, unless you're going for something serious, most people aren't bad people. They're people like me and you that made some mistakes. Maybe not like you.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, I mean, I'm not a good person, but it's like regular people make, make mistakes every day. And unfortunately there's consequences. So helping these people rebound from that, showing them that this is not something you should be thinking about suicide. This is not something you should be thinking about going on the run.

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The hardest thing about what you're dealing with right now is actually right now. They're all pretrial shit you're going through. The prison sentence is going to be the easy part. And that's hard for people to wrap their mind around because that sounds crazy.

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And all their questions and concerns and the fears they had were very similar to my own, like riddled with anxiety, thoughts of suicide, thoughts of going on the run, just a bunch of irrational fear that really could have caused a bunch of problems. So I thought it would be interesting, instead of just typing a response, I thought it would be interesting to make response videos on YouTube.

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And they're like, you're like, what can I do just to lose like two or three weeks of good time? I need, I need four weeks here. Smoke a cigarette or something. I don't know. You know, guys that I've met, like when I say like you, guys that have had a decent amount of time, like you were sent, how many years were you sentenced to? Initially, 26 years and four months.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Okay, so 26 years and four months. Obviously, you didn't serve that, but that's what you were sentenced to. Guys that I met that have a long sentence like that versus guys like me that were sentenced to relatively 42 months, then when you add in all the benefits, it's really next to nothing. The main difference I've heard, I went into prison thinking about going home.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I knew even if I served 85% of my sentence and didn't get anything else, I was only going to do three and a half years. My focus was still on going home. I have a life waiting for me after this. Somebody like you with a 26-year sentence, other guys have told me they kind of turn away from a lot of their family. They want to embrace that this is their life now.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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This is where they're going to spend the majority of their life. So they don't want to have one foot in prison and one foot in the free world where somebody with a short sentence is just thinking about being home. So was that like that for you where you were like, really like, this is my home now.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So I started posting response videos when I came home. And before I know it, Sorry. Before I knew it, I started getting a lot of calls and a lot of emails from criminal defense attorneys asking if they could hire me to work with their clients that are getting ready to go to prison. And I wasn't really sure what to make of that because I wasn't offering a service at this point.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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stay greedy my friends support the channel join matthew cox's patreon i feel like i got a ghost in my house my dog will just all of a sudden stop and stare at like an empty space and it's fucking creepy i'm not gonna lie it's a little creepy but yeah so yeah that that was the way that definitely helped and that was that was what you just described was me like when i got when i got to prison and i saw after like

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I will give it a week after I like kind of settled in within a week. My co-defendant was there, Sean. So I knew somebody on the yard. It was like, oh man, I'm in all these amazing fitness classes. I'm taking classes. I'm getting time off in RDAP. But then I'd meet guys like this kid Julio, his friends within there. He had a 27 year sentence.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He'd already served some time and he dropped from medium to a low. because I think you have to have less than 20 years to less than 20 years. Even if you get sentenced to like 21 or 22 years, if you calculate your good time, as long as that number comes below 20, you can go to a low.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And this guy, he was all jacked up on all kinds of antidepressant medication because for him, he's so young and his life, he's looking at it as it was like over. And here I am bitching and moaning about, oh my God, I've got this sentence. That's how I felt going in. But then I met guys that, They've served more time than I'm ever going to serve already and still have years left.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So it's relative and trying to embark this onto somebody that's getting ready to go in because almost all of my clients are going to serve somewhere between like 24 months and 70 months. That's usually like the range of time. And it sounds, anybody watching this, it's never been in trouble.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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24 months, six months in prison, a year in prison, 18 months in prison, whatever it is, sounds like a long time because it's relative to your situation. And the only thing that we can do is help people take day by day, work on measurable activities that can help you minimize your anxiety and the worrisome feelings you have.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Because there's nothing that I can do or anybody else can do that's going to take away all of your anxiety and fear. But if people keep letting that build and grow out of control, it's going to consume you.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So by giving people measurable goals to get them from today to tomorrow and the next day and the next day, before you know it, their long-term goals now come into sight because they're hitting something that's measurable. And that's what's made us, I would say, I feel like we're probably the best consulting company that exists. And of course, everybody's going to say that that's a consultant. But

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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i know that we're not doing it for the money because i know my competitors like white collar advice i know the fees that they're charging and i just don't see a justification of of why somebody would pay that much what is that noise what noise still doing it are you touching something yeah i was touching something i was where's your microphone at

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What's going on, Dan? What's happening here? If I were Jess, I would be worried that you're going to try to marry somebody else, to be honest. Like yourself. I think Jess thinks you're going to try to. Jess is worried that Matt's going to find the cloning machine and clone himself and just change one genetic. So Matt pops out with the vagina and now Matt's going to go marry Mattina.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That's how she feels right now.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'm still going to send her a picture of a dog when we hang up.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I was just talking about how I wish I had better prepared for my pre-sentence report, how I wish I had known more about what should go into a narrative and reference letters. what my first day in prison was actually like. Just a lot of answers that you probably wouldn't get from somebody unless they've been through the system.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'm done.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What did you guys do for the holidays?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, we were thinking about going out for New Year's.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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no no we didn't go um ted our our little chihuahua that probably people saw in the beginning of the video he's when i say he's the scaredest little dog i've ever met i love him to death he's the sweetest little thing but he was terrified of the fireworks he literally would run into the spare bathroom and sit next to the toilet and just shake and it was just like we're like we're not going nowhere so shelly had some stuff to do she went out so i went out and bought uh

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I put it on – I'll send you a video. You can actually post it on here. You can use it for this. But I tied like yarn or I don't know if it was yarn, some kind of a twine from one of our big oak trees in the backyard all the way to the fence. So it created like a string and then I strung lights from it. I put out a big blanket out in the yard. I brought a table out there.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I cooked like an awesome meal, got champagne ready. So when she came home, it was just like the whole backyard was like – so yeah. So we had a great night.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Shelly's favorite. Shelly's favorite food is right now. She's on a kick for, uh, um, Oh, what is it? It's an Irish, uh, the meat and the potatoes. Um, You know what I'm talking about? Shepard's pie. Shepard's pie. Shepard's pie. That's like her, that's like her go-to right now. We go to this little Irish restaurant. We get it a lot.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So I went and found like a fun Shepard's pie recipe and chef Boyer deed it up, man. And you know what, but I like doing stuff like that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, if you guys ever come here, we'll make you guys dinner and have a – I know you don't drink, so I'll get you a sparkling water and get Jess some champagne or some wine or something, but get you a juice box. Is Jess over there?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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TV dinner. Yeah, I heard Matt. Hi. I heard Matt went all out and got you guys – Got you the TV dinners for New Year's.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I think so.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And when these attorneys wanted to hire me, I wasn't really sure what to do. And then a couple of prison consultants that I had seen out in the industry, who I had followed on YouTube, and they were following me now that I was YouTubing,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He just got out of the shower. That's Matt's little construction worker.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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The electric chair. Call Dan or you're going to get the electric chair.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, you know, that's –

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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that's that's a huge thing too is where you'll have like let's say you're the ringleader of whatever crime took place and i just happen to work there everybody gets indicted you get indicted i get indicted and i'm just in denial i don't want to cooperate i don't want to do anything because i want to stick my hand in the sand and you go and cooperate and do all you end up getting a lighter sentence than i would have gotten and you're the one that fucking mastermind the whole crime so yeah he who talks first usually gets the best the best gift from the government

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Here's where all the shit talkers come, Matt. This is where all, oh, you're telling people to snitch. It's like, it's easy to say that from your comfort of your couch.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I reached out to some of them and they were very interested in working together as long as I stopped posting content on YouTube because they felt it was too – I was giving away too much that people wouldn't need to hire or pay anybody for a service if I was giving it away for free. And that's just not my train of thought.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That's like, yeah, yeah, I know. You just went on my website and read my bio, prick. I was going to say. Mom?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, that's – look, I – I get it. If you're not out there committing crimes and you don't want to tell on anybody or if you think you would never tell on anybody, I'll tell you what. Unless you're like an actual true hardened criminal that has truly thought about all of the consequences and what you're willing to do and not willing to do, most people are going to talk, almost all of them.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Unless your life is in danger or your family is in danger, you're probably going to talk. Anybody that says they won't until you're tested to that, I don't believe it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That was a fun one.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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yeah and that's the truth that's why i'm yeah sorry go ahead that that's why i'm so uh outspoken now like getting into a car with people i don't necessarily not that i get into cars with people i don't know but if you're going somewhere and you know there's a group of people just hey no one's got a gun on them right no one's got any drugs on them right you know there's nothing going on here that shouldn't be going on um i don't really have a lot of people in my life that have to be concerned about that but it's everybody knows

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Dan isn't going to go down on a sinking ship. You know, I want nothing to do with any criminal lifestyle. And if you put me into that mix, I'll be the first one to tell on you.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You don't see this tattoo right here? 5K1 in old English.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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My train of thought is there's a million cooking videos out there, how to do everything. There's a million videos how to change your oil. And just because you can get the schematic of how to do it from A to Z doesn't mean you're in a mental headspace to go through the process. So I just started developing a process and procedures. I started looking at what other people were doing.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. I actually made that mistake. Exactly what you just said I did after I got indicted and pled guilty. My buddy Paul, he's an avid shooter. And him and his friend Dennis took me to a gun range. And I didn't know I wasn't allowed to go at this point. I was just naive. I went, had a blast. I was shooting fucking all kinds of, you name it, I was shooting it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And then I was talking to somebody and they're like, are you allowed to do that now that you're a convicted felon? I'm like, I haven't gone to prison yet. They're like, well, you pled guilty. You're a a convicted felon now. And I was like, that's a, that's a good question. Cause I almost, you know, you gotta, I was on pretrial probation.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So I had to fill out a monthly thing of like places I'm going and stuff. I almost put down that I went to a shooting range. So I asked my probation officer in passing. I didn't tell him that I went, I asked him, Hey, if, uh, if my friends wanted to go to a shooting range, am I allowed to go? And he's like, if you want to get a felon in possession of a firearm weapon, go ahead. And Holy fuck, dude.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'm like, I'm deleting everything off my phone. I've got pictures of me holding looks like, like zombie assault rifles. And, um, and I'm not a gun guy to begin with, but yeah, you're absolutely right. You know, these could you have gone and got away with it? Probably. But man, imagine the feeling you would have if you got in trouble and be like, I can't believe I fucking did that. There's right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Complacency. It's like getting into the car. If you're somebody of sketchy, like we'll take Josh, whatever his last name is, Josh. If Josh said, hey, man, you want to go take a ride with me, I wouldn't trust that he wouldn't have something on him. I wouldn't trust that there's not a bag of meth under his seat. I like you.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But until you're ready to handle this the right way, I can't really associate with you because I'm not convinced that you wouldn't put me in a situation And then when it comes down to it, you're going to throw your drugs on the fucking ground and not own up to it. I don't believe Josh would fall on the sword and do what he's supposed to.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I can count on one hand how many people I would trust with that. It's probably Shelly. She's the only one that I could probably give a secret and it would die with her. Aside from that, you put yourself into a, to an undesirable situation that you're not willing to suffer the consequences. Don't, don't fucking do it. You know, you got to really think it through and being a convicted felon.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It's, it's like you said, that microscope is on us where it's not on the regular person. Yeah. So yeah, man, that's, that's, that's all I got. I just, you know, the world of consulting, it's, it's getting, it's getting crazier and crazier just because more and more people are popping out of the woodwork. But yeah, Not everybody can be RDAP Dan.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And I didn't want to recreate the wheel. I just wanted to make it roll a little bit better. And I started fine tuning all of the systems. And I found what who I felt to be probably the leader in the industry at that time in consulting. And I looked at all of the services that they were offering. And I was looking at their price point.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I got to watch my back, man. I got to watch my back everywhere I go.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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um we're not espionage what's it what do they call it uh corporate uh corporate espionage is that it corporate espionage that's a thing i've got a fun i've got a good guy you should interview if you look him up john karyaku he was the uh did he write rich dad poor dad no that's uh robert kiyosaki whatever his name is whatever

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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John Kiriakou was a CIA agent that was, he was partly responsible for bringing down the bin Laden, like all of his like first and second and third in command. And when they started torturing these guys, when they brought them over to, uh, Where was the island at where I think they shut it down now. I can't think of it. Cuba? Yes. Yes. Guantanamo Bay. Yeah. When they were torturing the people.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And of course, we say we don't do any type of torturing. So he whistle blew and got hit by the feds for basically saying that he was, you know, a spy turning, turning secrets over that he wasn't allowed to talk about. And he went to prison for it. And now he's, he's a commentator. He's spoken. He's written books about it. He's been all over the place. He, I could put him in touch with you.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He would love to come on your show and talk. He's out of California. So it'd have to be zoom, but he's got a fucking wild story, bro. He talks about when the guy fell off the roof and he was on the ground dying. And he's, he's like, tell me where this is. And he's, he's getting like Intel from him before the guy passes out. They're in the hospital trying to like protect them.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And the cartel, they know the other cartel knows that they got bin Laden's guys like in custody. So all of a sudden they come, they shoot up the entire hospital. So they're trying to rush everybody out of the back. And it sounds like a fucking movie, dude.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, and it's all completely true. Like there's nothing fabricated about it. It's all documented. Yeah. Really good guy. Really good interview.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, I'll pass it on.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I did, I did. Years ago, years ago. Dude, let me tell you how bad the interview was. It was an hour and a half interview. We just got finished. And I looked down and I'm like, I didn't hit fucking record. No. Nothing got recorded. And I almost, I'm telling you, I came this close, this close to going, all right, great, thanks. And I was like, hey, hey. I was like, John, I got a favor.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know, their price point was at that time it might have been like $7,500 to $10,000. Now that same company for the same price point or the same opportunities, it's $15,000, $20,000. So I thought, how can I offer every single one of these services without dumbing them down or offering less or watering them down, but offering them for a much...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He's like, what's up? I was like, I didn't hit record. And he went.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He's like, I went to Priven for torture. This is completely... So I was like, is there any way you can do this again with the same enthusiasm? And let me tell you, the motherfucker hit it like a script. He nailed it. But yeah, super cool dude. And even with you, I'm like, I hope the audio is recording. I'm going to get Matt just a fucking moving mouth. But yeah, it's...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Sometimes, look, I have rough days, good days, days where I wish things were different. I complain about shit. But then I take a step back and I look at what my alternatives would have been if this wasn't what I'm doing for my life. I'm at home. I've got I've got a dog that's ready to like die any moment. And it's, it's, it kills me because I've had him for 15 years and he's doing so bad.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And if I had to work a nine to five job right now, I couldn't be home and something happened. You know, that's why I'm not in the office right now. I'm sitting here at my kitchen table with, with all kinds of makeshift things so I can, so I can be here with my crew. Um, prison was the best thing that ever happened to me.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It's, it's put me in a situation to not just help people, but helping people that are going through what they're going through as much as I'm, I'm so happy to get to help them. It's, it's every day. It's also so productive for my own, for, for me, because it's, it's therapy for me. It keeps me honest. And I see every day, the mistakes that people are making, PPP loans, all this stuff. And it's,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And I'm that close to making a mistake because I've got the mind of a criminal. That's why I went to prison. And if I didn't have this kind of accountability over my head, I don't know that I would have stayed on a straight and narrow path. So in between making a living, being able to work from home, sure, there's stresses that come with that, but I wouldn't trade this for the world.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Okay, let's... You know, it's... you're a very emotional guy too and having having the emotional the ability to be able to express emotions i honestly what stands me apart from every other consultant i think it's the fact that i'm able to be so transparent about my emotions and not you know i i'm not coming on here the shirt and tie and trying to sound like an attorney

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'm not concerned with people not hiring me. We get enough business. We do good enough that even if I have a bad month, it's still better than what other people, there's people out there that would kill to have the income that I have. So I can't complain about that at all.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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a much smaller fee that wouldn't prevent people from, from getting help because most people that were able to get the help with the other consultants, if you didn't have 10, 15 grand laying around, you might as well, you know, it might as well have been 10 or $15 million for some of these people.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And the income only came because I did these things for the right reasons and figured if I do things for the right reason, things will kind of work themselves out. And when I live by that principle, when I was doing my PPP loan to get my, for the SBA, And I was like, man, I could, I could add an extra employee. They would never know. How are they going to know? This is how are they going to know?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It just seems so, so easy to do. And then that little voice was like, Dan, what if they do find out? Right. And now my 99% of my, my, my client base are PPP fraud. So I'm like, man, I'm so happy that I didn't do anything like that because it would have been so easy to do it in a moment for immediate gratification. Um,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So yeah, you got to take the elevator or you got to take the stairs, not the elevator in life. You know, you got to put in the work. Shortcuts just usually lead you to a shaky foundation that crumbles very, very shortly after.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, this disaster, this disaster that you're going through right now could turn into a miracle in disguise that saved your life in all kinds of benefiting ways. Like yours.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So we developed a system that allowed these people to get the help that they needed at a reasonable cost. And I think when we first started, we were doing it for like $1,000. But we were using that as a learning curve. But I just took a huge interest in it, man. And I'm one of those people that once something captivates me and I'm interested in it, I kind of –

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I go all in and I'm like seeing the matrix. I stopped doing anything else. I consume, it consumes me 24 seven. And it was an issue in the relationship for a while because Shelly is like, man, you're either making videos, you're either talking to clients or you're prepping for other videos.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It's like a 24 seven job, but it took about 18 months to really take off before we saw any actual promise with it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Um, so yeah, it's consuming man, for sure. Anything, anything you're going to do is consuming, but you and I are fortunate to get consumed by things that aren't, aren't taking us away from, at least we're doing it for ourselves, creating our own future. Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Is that basically like saying he didn't have a shot in hell just because of the way he grew up, his surroundings? Exactly. It was like, of course, he's going to end up in a life of crime. Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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She didn't want to, you know, that's, and that's the thing, you know, getting, getting your attorney sometimes to even ask the question or, or, approaching the conversation of doing something that's outside of the wheelhouse. Most attorneys, and it's nothing against attorneys. I get it. They're trained a certain way. It becomes routine just like anybody in life.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You start to create a routine for yourself. And when you're talking about these types of things, It's so often, even today, that's what I had to do right before this call. One of my clients who were working on their narrative and reference letters, and we'd like to do things a little bit different.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like the narrative, for people who don't know, the narrative is the letter that you're gonna write as the defendant that's eventually gonna go to the sentencing judge. So most attorneys don't really give you much insight on what should go into these letters. They might give you a little template towards the end and say, hey, get some friends and family, write some letters.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I don't think they really think it has much push or pull. And in some cases it may not. But most letters don't. There's a very they look very general. They look like the same letter that that judge is seen over and over and over again. And with us, one of the things that we like to do that's a little bit different is during the pre-sentence interview.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Okay. The problem is I've watched like three different programs on this.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And, you know, I had never heard about this story and I've been looking into it. I mean, it's, it's, it's fascinating.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Wow. I mean, is Joel aware of all this, but he's just... Well, we didn't know this until afterwards about the audit.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What about the I mean, what about like Pam? Was he able to present her as a alternative, you know, suspect to you?

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So, okay, so do you think that your wife actually signed it over to her, or do you think that Pam manipulated the situation somehow?

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if she was coerced in any way. Okay. I was going to say, you had no idea she had sided over. No. Assuming if she did, you weren't aware of it. Not at all. And so we weren't allowed to use any of that evidence. It's not hard to get somebody to sign something. Right.

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Especially if you're a friend, you know, hey, I'm signing this for, you know, this reason, who knows what she, you know, you're not reading those documents. It could be pretty easy to trick someone to sign something. Trust me, I own a mortgage company. People sign all kinds of documents they never looked at.

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That's what you got to, you got to take. What's that? You went to like a maximum security prison. It's murder. So I'm assuming this is premeditated murder. Yeah.

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Uh, yeah, I, I did, I did a Dateline interview when I was in prison with Keith Morrison also, by the way. Okay. I had a vastly different experience with him because I was, because me being extremely guilty. I didn't get the same type of treatment you got. I can imagine. But yeah, so so that's great that they went in and I saw part of that part, the part that's on YouTube, part of that also.

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And I saw some of the coverage. I never did see the movie. I didn't watch the movie. I did watch someone who critiqued the movie, who basically the critics they criticized as being like it was almost like a comedy. And this is a very serious, you know, it's serious, but it was almost, you know, comedic.

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But like you said, in a very real way, with the exception of the murder, it was comedic how bad they bumbled the investigation and just really, I don't even know. Do you feel like the prosecutor thought she was doing the right thing?

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Yeah. And yeah, they can, they can lie, manipulate, they can do all kinds of things and there's just no repercussions. Prosecutors can do anything they want and, and basically makes them above the law.

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two days ago that served 16 years for a murder rape that he was 16 years old that he didn't commit. They even found semen from someone else. And all the prosecutor said was, well, she was promiscuous. She had sex with someone else and you. You raped and killed her. No evidence, nothing. Same thing, alibi.

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Got a life sentence and just so happened the Innocence Project, after writing letter after letter and being denied by the Innocence Project, they were like, we're not taking your case on. He'd gone through the appellate court. He'd gone all the way to Supreme Court. They'd refused to hear the case, the whole thing. And he...

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Eventually, they finally, after 16 years, uploaded the DNA to the new CODIS system because it hadn't been invented when he got initially found guilty. So they uploaded it, and guess what? That DNA didn't go to another high school student like him. It went to a 29-year-old man who had since, in the last 16 years, murdered someone else and was currently in prison.

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So suddenly they were like, we better let this guy out. So they let him out, and he got out. What? By that point, the prosecutor, he's moved on. The same judge that sentenced him wouldn't even sit on the bench to let him go. He had somebody else do it. I don't want to be in the courtroom. I don't want to be involved in that. You cut him loose. I mean, it's pathetic.

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The whole system is just a pathetic situation. It's the same kind of... Yours is...

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Make yourself comfortable. Put in for a two-man cube. Join the softball team. Learn to play guitar.

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And so what was the new information?

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So that's a little... I mean, you're not convicted. Why can't they let you out on bond now? I mean, at this point, you've got to... No, they can't.

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You know, so there were... You went all the way back to prison? You didn't go back to, like, the county jail? They just housed you in the county jail?

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I was going to say that the trial is still scary. Let's face it, you've been through a trial. You know you're innocent. You've been through a trial. And even though you've got a lot going for you this time, and it seems like the field is level, it's still frightening. It's still got to be terrifying.

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He can pick up the phone and call you right then and say, hey, who's so-and-so? And you can say, oh, that's so-and-so. He goes, okay. And instead of waiting two days. Right.

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That was a really big thing. did they get to present that? Did he get to cross examine? We did use that.

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Right. So this way the bloody footprints, no, no blood trail at all.

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little swirly guy he testified in court the first time how they did to turn out what he saw in those pictures you know with his naked eye and whatnot and uh you know they don't work they don't realize so the prosecution doesn't realize that their office just released this to you guys and there's actually photos on there right well we know leah askew didn't send them

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Well, also, I'd like to point this out, too. I don't know if you know. So I was you know, when I was locked up in prison and I was writing guys stories, I would often you would hear one thing from the FBI or the investigators. And then I would order the Freedom of Information Act. And what I realized right away or eventually, I guess.

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is that one, you know, the left hand doesn't know what the right hand's doing. And so I would get stuff, you'd have the Freedom of Information Act would give me documents that the FBI said didn't exist. Or they would say that that was completely lost. We don't have it. The last person to have seen that computer was this person. And we believe that it was sold and it's gone.

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And then you'd find out that the Secret Service actually had it. Or you'd find out that they had it in storage and that, you know, these are massive organizations. So, you know, you guys put in a discovery motion. Somebody is assigned at that office to fulfill that.

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And, you know, Leah Thomas may just be like, you know, she's not thinking anything of it and doesn't realize her assistant just went and grabbed the stuff that she said doesn't exist and handed it to you. Like, you know, you just don't know. There's so many things going on in these departments or in these, you know,

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these offices that it may it may have been a mistake it may have been the truth maybe somebody said now this isn't right i'm sending this to them but it may have also just been that could have been yeah we don't know and i don't know if we ever will uh however when we got the trial and uh this time around things went quite a bit differently and you know uh

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I mean, it's still, you know, not that you shouldn't be thankful, you know, and grateful, but what a horrific thing to have happened, bro. Like you're just living your life and this is thrust upon you. I mean, it's really a shitty situation and it could have, you know, so easily gone the other way, you know, like you,

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Right. Yeah, definitely. I definitely am a big believer in that. So how's Pam doing? Cause I know this isn't the end of the story.

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You know, when I was locked up in prison and I was writing guys' stories, you would hear one thing from the FBI or the investigators, and then I would order the Freedom of Information Act. And what I realized right away... is that one, you know, the left hand doesn't know what the right hand's doing.

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Didn't it show that, like she said, she didn't know the guy had just shot him when he came in the house, but actually her phone had been at his apartment complex when she picked them up. Like the pings had her at multiple locations where he was.

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She didn't want to ruin her carpet? Yeah.

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He was trying to strong arm, I'm not understanding, what do you mean?

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So what were they trying to get him to do by doing that? To drop the investigation.

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And Mike Merkel, I think, is the weakest link. So I'm wondering why they didn't bring him up. It seems pretty clear that he perjured himself. You know what I'm saying? That seems like a slam dunk charge. They've got him in the first trial. You know, the transcripts of the first trial, they got the second trial. That seems like a pretty easy charge also, but I guess that's a bigger charge.

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I'm sorry? Statute of limitations.

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I just don't understand what these guys get. out of doing these types of things. Like, you've got job security. You just have to go through the motions to keep your job. You don't have to go around bullying people and, you know, coercing them and, you know, creating evidence and, you know, discarding evidence. You don't have to be a lying, manipulative prick to keep your job.

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Why go out of your way to do things like that? You go through the process. I understand that there's pressure to make arrests, but you know what? Sometimes you don't make an arrest. Or at the very least, if you did an investigation and you zero in on the guy and you know it's him, but you cannot get enough evidence to convict him, well, then that happens. That's going to happen in your job.

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Exactly. I was going to say, even if that person isn't going out of their way to throw the jury, the fact is that you know you shouldn't be on the jury. Right. That's my cousin.

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But I think the trash went under the rug like these cops do is strong. Now, I think owning up to look, I think owning up to making a mistake as quickly as possible. I think people are very forgiving of a mistake. You know, they're they're not forgiving of liars. Exactly.

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But, you know, that remains to be seen. Well, I wonder, so they've charged, or they're looking into, did they actually, so they did charge Pam?

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She just hasn't gone to trial. Oh, no, no, she hasn't gone.

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Well, listen, is there anything we haven't talked about?

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Uh, well, I are actually engaged to be married. Oh, okay. Nice. Is she in the next room?

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That is a happy ending. Nothing can be happier than that. Well, boy, listen, it's funny. I mean, I'm not sure all of the loose ends are tied up, but boy, it sounds like all the loose ends on yours. I'm sure they're probably not, but they're either tied up or they're in the process of getting tied up. Yeah, there's a lot of boxes that are getting checked right now.

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Well, I mean, obviously, I hope it does. It sure sounds like it's heading that way. Yeah. Well, listen, I really appreciate you coming on and taking the time to talk with me. I know yesterday I was looking at your stuff. The last few days, I've been looking at your stuff and And I've been like, this is, I was texting you at the gym the other, the other morning. Was that yesterday morning?

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Yesterday morning I was at the gym and I was telling my wife, I'm like, listen to this, listen to this. Cause as I was, as we were at the gym, I was listening to, um, different, uh, different stories on YouTube. I was like, Oh my God. Then she, she listened. She tried to frame him for having an attempted murder on her life. You know, it was just, I was like, this is insanity.

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What did you, I mean, I'll put the link in the description, but what did you think of the movie anyway? I mean, just in general. I mean, I know, you know, take into account that obviously they can't do, you know, 500 hours, you know, for what they pulled out. Do you think it was okay?

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Uh, that so you got to come back on then. Yeah. We got to push that one. Yeah. Listen, my subscribers are growing. In a couple of years, I might be at half a million. We'll see. That's awesome.

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Maybe. A guy can dream. Well, listen, I really do appreciate you coming on, and I appreciate talking to you. Yeah, you've definitely got to come back on when you finish your book.

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Hey, that was my interview with Russ Faria. And I really appreciate you guys watching. If you like the video, do me a favor. Hit the subscribe button. Hit the bell so you get notified of videos just like this. Share the video. Leave a comment for me. And I'm going to leave the link in the description box for the full story on the book that...

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Russ's attorney was a co-author in, I think co-author, I'm not sure exactly. Anyway, we'll leave the description and I really appreciate you guys watching the video. So see ya.

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And so I would get stuff, you'd have the Freedom of Information Act would give me documents that the FBI said didn't exist.

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Yeah, I was going to say the lie detector test is only used as a tool to help incriminate you. If it excludes you, then they disregard it. You know what I'm saying? If they feel that if you failed it, then they're like, oh, I knew he was guilty. If it says, no, no, he's telling the truth, then they say, ah, disregard it. Like you said, it's not admissible.

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They're only using it as a tool to manipulate the situation.

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Yes. My whole thing is all of the things that happened afterward is just as bizarre. Like every single aspect of this story is just pure insanity. Hey, this is Matt Cox. I am here with Russ Faria, and he has a very interesting story. He has just an absolutely bizarre kind of murder mystery, just straight insanity, just based on what I've looked at. And

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But then your instincts are spot on because it's a complete like... Have you interviewed Chris Todd? Of course, multiple times.

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He's an attention whore. Yeah, absolutely.

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Right.

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No, we have issues. And here's the problem is that the Courtney Burgess thing, I think – well, you know what I think it is with Chris Todd? I think it's willful blindness. Like Courtney Burgess comes to you and says he has Kim Porter's memoir. He has these – he has one – That contains her her her alleged memoir. Right. That was written that that or that he got a few days after her funeral.

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And Chris Todd. gets it and, or he gets the thing and he reads it and reading it, you have to know it's untrue, right? So as you're reading it, it's just completely, it's complete, it's so over the top inflammatory and there's people you're talking about.

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And really what he's done is you would think you would realize like, hey, all this guy did was take a bunch of rumors and try and weave it together. And a lot of the stuff doesn't make sense if the dates don't actually make sense. Like, hey, he came to my house. You didn't have a house, like the house that Diddy bought her. He hadn't – at the time, he hadn't built the house yet.

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Like there's all kinds of things that don't make sense. And it's absolutely – Courtney Burgess wrote the whole thing and thought he'd cash in on the Diddy – on what's happening with Diddy. And he'd been trying to cash in for a while, and nobody was taking it seriously until eventually – He and Wade connected with Wade Williams. Wade Williams put him together with Chris Todd.

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And he actually came to me first. Because I know nothing about hip-hop, I said, bro, I know nothing about hip-hop. It would take me too long to figure it out. I'd have to rewrite a bunch of the book. you know, even if I just took a bunch of excerpts, I'd still have to, I'd be dumping a bunch of time into something I don't know anything about.

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Listen, you hear things in that industry, in the kind of the hip hop industry that have happened. uh, that, that just don't happen in other industries, you know, holding guys over balconies and threat telling them they have to sign over there. Like who, what are you doing? Like, I mean, they act like they're, they're mafia box bosses back in the 1920s and they can get away with anything.

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And I don't want to talk about something I know nothing about. So I said, I'm not interested. And he said, well, what do you think about Chris Todd? And I said, well, I think he's, I think he's, you know, a media whore. And I think that that's, I think that this is right up his alley. Like he doesn't mind. First of all, we don't know if it's true. And Wade was like, it's, Wade said, I think that,

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It's probably bullshit that she wrote it, but I think 80 percent of what it's in there is true. I just don't think she wrote it. Right. And I said that won't slow Chris Todd down. So send it to Chris. See what he does. Got it to Chris. Chris dragged his feet forever. But then Diddy's house gets raided. So then he put something together right away. He publishes the book.

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It's just right after Diddy gets arrested. And it's still, for two weeks, nothing. It sold 32 copies. So Wade says, hey, this thing's not selling. But nobody knows.

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Oh, yeah. Well, here's what happened. This is just, you know, there's timestamps. And I did a video. So Wade goes, hey, man. He goes, look, these guys do not. First of all, Chris didn't even want his name on it. He put Jamal whatever on it. Tupac's, you know, alleged name he's living under, you know, if he's still alive, whatever. You guys are idiots.

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Anyway, point is, is that none of these guys, because it's so untrue and they know it, Chris Todd didn't want his name associated with neither one. So Wade calls these two knuckleheads and says, look, do you guys mind if I I won't mention your names because they were like, don't mention our names. Don't mention our names. Why would you say that? So he comes on my show.

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Wade and I do a podcast on it. A remote, right? Like a remote podcast. It gets 800 and something thousand views on a remote. I'm not sure. I don't have almost a million subscribers, by the way. So that was huge for us. That was like, oh, my God. So then what happens is. Chris Todd sees that it's suddenly, guess what? It starts selling. And I mean, thousands of copies.

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They ended up selling almost 30,000 copies in about three weeks. So then Chris Todd, after two days goes, oh my God, let's get some press. This is a business blowing up. So he immediately goes and he does an article with like some other, some newspaper, some rag newspaper, but you know, Hollywood brag bullshit. So he goes and does that. And And that article gets a bunch of traction.

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I, um... Oh, I probably shouldn't say this.

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And he uses his own name. And then he does another one. And then everybody wants to talk to Chris Todd. And then I do another thing.

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Oh, I think it – I don't think anything makes Chris look good.

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Yeah, after that. Well, once they started – dismantling the book. But you have to understand that these people want to believe the book's true. A hundred percent. So the point is, is that I did another video that was big. Then I get Courtney Burgess on. But when I get Courtney Burgess on, we have a whole conversation where it's like, but now Courtney has changed it, by the way.

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It went from getting one disc afterward to getting... to getting multiple discs prior to, and now he's saying he got multiple discs at different points. But keep in mind, he says, but the Krim Porter manuscript I got Like four years or three years before she died. But the manuscript is written up until the day she dies.

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So she's putting entries in until the day she dies where she's like, I got pneumonia. He got me. That bastard's killed me. And the next day she's dead. Or that day she's dead. Sorry.

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You have to understand the whole time when he's talking about being raided and everything, he's texting me.

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hey i was raided today he's actually everybody yeah he just he can't shut up well what happened was this is that i got him to a point where i was like so what you're saying is you have cp you've watched the cp i have a whole video where he's like yeah yeah yeah well i didn't watch the whole thing i just watched enough to know that i'm like this one oh it's great you're watching this you're watching that he's like i'm like you're so you still have it yeah yeah i got it and how'd you watch it on mic so you took the disc you put it in your laptop you've watched it on

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And the problem is that a lot of times they do, but, and they surround themselves by yes men. They, you know, I, I think that, that they get You know, they get power hungry and they get a bunch of money and they make a bunch of money. And then the hip hop culture celebrates, you know, brutalizing people, shooting them, you know, not snitching.

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I'll send this to you. It's great. Please, please. I'll give you the money so you don't have to watch the whole thing. Yeah. Because it's Courtney, so it's horrible. So there's a lot of us cutting out him. Oh, yeah. What will happen? You know, in the streets. You know, stop it.

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Thank you, which got almost, which probably got 50 or 100,000 views. I did a whole video on how you just handed, and by the way, you know what Chris Todd did?

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I'll cut that shit up. So you know what happened with Chris Todd? You know what he said? He goes – so you know what happened was when – so we're getting off on a tangent. But when Courtney came out, he told Chris Todd, here's the DVD or here's the book, and Chris Todd ran with it. There were never tapes, right? No, no. So what happened was he then – he told Chris Todd that there are tapes.

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And I have tapes with Bieber and Usher and all these things. Okay, fine.

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So Will Smith's son. And it's like he's just throwing them in there. So what happens is Chris Todd hears there are tapes. Willful blindness, he wants to believe it. Now he says, oh, I've seen screenshots. What you saw was the same screenshots that I saw are screenshots that are taken out of context of Diddy. You can't tell who's in them.

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And these are screenshots that have been on the internet for 10 years. So he sent you those. You didn't look into it because you don't look into anything you do. And you said, I've seen screenshot because it gave it validity. And then you went around to different places different media outlets trying to sell the tapes.

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And that started because prior to that, it was just Diddy is having these sex parties and there's videos. You started the rumor that there are underage children involved. Correct. Correct. And so you started that spin and that end ultimately, and the government knew it, didn't have it, didn't shut you up, and the court didn't shut you up. So it shut you up. So guess what?

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You've now given Diddy, all Diddy had to do was get you two knuckleheads on the stand to admit what you did. And Diddy, it's going to look like a conspiracy and you're going to give him a huge win. You just did a huge disjustice to what should have been a very, a slam dunk case. So put that aside.

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You know, you create this culture where that kind of behavior is. is embraced and, and, and everybody thinks it's just wonderful and how cool it is to brutalize somebody and treat them horribly and take their, their stuff and laugh about it and get away with it because you've got a ton of money and yeah, you're like that.

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I think that they've weakened his case considerably at this point. And I think that he, if he's smart, which he's not, because he's super arrogant, keeps thinking he's going to get out of jail. He thinks he's going to get out of jail and he's going to be able to work deals out with all these witnesses and shut the whole thing down.

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In his mind, he's still, he's probably, yeah, but he's probably, if his lawyers are smart, but they're not,

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What the lawyers are trying to do is get him to pay them as much money, go to trial with that money, put on a half-ass case, and have him go to fucking prison for 30 or 45 years. And just cash out. And kick back. They'll fight a 2255, an appeal, and a 2255. They'll get the rest of his money.

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They'll sell off everything he has, and the lawyers will end up with everything, and he'll be begging people to send money to his commissary account so he can keep these guys from extorting him or to pay these guys that are extorting him. Anyway—

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If he was smart, they would go forward and they'd say, look, let us take a 10- or 15-year deal. Let's get it down. They're going to say 30. You argue it down to 20. You do a media campaign. You try and get it down to 20. Maybe he gets 20 or 15. On 20 years, he'll do 12. He's already done it almost a year. You know what I'm saying? Like at this point, he should be people.

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He already realizes by this point, if I need to get out of this holdover and get to prison because prisons 10 times better.

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Because he's got some gun charges. That's the big thing is the reason they're so confident and they're probably not offering them deals is he's got gun charges. He's got, he's got a lot of guns with marked with marked. Yes. Yes.

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They were all adults. I mean, but they're going to put 12 people on the stand that are all going to say the same thing. Plus, they've already got them on the guns. And the jury's going to believe them. He's sitting at the defendant's stand. They've heard all the rumors. They're probably waiting for the— It's true.

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It's like, you're a scumbag and everybody thinks it's kind of cool and funny until they're, Until it happens to them, and then they run around and complain about it, and then nobody wants to listen to them. You've got Jaguar right out there saying, this is what he's doing, and it's wrong. This is what these people are doing, and they're wrong. And she's completely ignored until it's 100%.

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Right. And keep in mind, too, by the way, when Courtney got called to testify in front of the grand jury, by that point, he had told me he'd been raided twice and that the feds had taken the disks. They took them. He then went in front of the grand jury and said he threw them away. Yes. He then got called back. At this point, Ariel knows he's lying. He said, this is a conflict.

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That's why when on News Nation, when they're like, so you got raided. And she was like, wait, let's clarify. He's already saying, yeah. And they said, no, no, no. And she's like, let's clarify that. That's not a raid. They simply served a subpoena. And then they're saying he, she keeps saying he had.

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Oh, he got raided. He got raided. She keeps calling everybody saying – I mean, sorry, calling. She keeps clarifying what he's saying. She keeps saying he used to be in possession. He used to be in – so it makes people are thinking the Fed's got it. But the truth is they then call him back again.

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By the time they call him back again, they're trying to get him to clarify that he threw away the tape. Because now they've caught him in multiple lies when he got the tapes. So now they're going to bring him back and get him. She shuts it down and says, no, he's going to plead the fifth. Because now they're like, we've already got him on record once saying this.

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Now he's come up with videos that say are contrary. Which is that the feds took the tape. They know he already told them that he threw him away. So now they're going to get him to come back and admit, well, why is it the few days afterward you said this? Now they're going to clarify things. Now they got him on the record. They're going to get him for perjury.

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They're going to get him for lying to a federal officer. They're going to get him for – uh, all kinds of, uh, different violations and they're going to get them charged. That's what they should have done. They should have charged him there. The government's only recourse at this point is to charge this guy and they haven't. Yeah. What's something he is being sued. Um,

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Yeah, there's some major, major- For Courtney. For Courtney.

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No, I think with Diddy, his best bet, take 15 or 20 years. You could get it down to 15 or 20 at this point because of Courtney Burgess. Take 10 or 15 years. Go to prison. Do all the programs. Don't take the charge, the essay, any of the essay charges because you're not going to be able to program and get time off. So take the gun charges. Take the RICO.

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Don't do anything that has to sign anything, including enhancements that have anything to do with anything sexual in nature. And and then you can program and you'll be out in 12, 10 or 12 years.

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Okay.

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It just came out. He got sued. His lawyer got sued. News media got sued. News Nation. I'm sorry, News Nation.

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everywhere and in your face. And then it's like, okay, yeah, you were right. Then she gets some credit, but she's been saying it forever. People don't, it's the same thing with the Courtney Burgess. Hey, I think this whole thing's made up. Whether it's true or not, I think you made it up. Nobody wants to hear that. When we came out and we let Wade talk about how the memoir was true, right?

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Chris Todd's probably a witness.

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2018.376

He probably already made a deal. They are bad people. Well, listen, and Chris Todd— I got swindled. I had no idea. It's true. As much as whatever this guy is, hack this guy is— The thing is.

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Don't come after me, bro. He's harmless. You know, I don't know how he makes it. He's got to have a day job, right? Because nobody buys his books. If you look at the if you ever gone on and look at the reviews, like there's like 13 people left to review.

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But, you know, he and Courtney are working on a book together.

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2064.809

Why did the Amazon book get pulled? Okay, so it got pulled because a cease and desist was sent to Amazon. Okay, from the kids. No, and no, initially it was from... Because there's a lot of books on there making allegations. I'll be sure.

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I'll be sure sent it saying that there was litigation, cease and desist, or you're going to be a part of the... Right, so Amazon just pulled it to me because of an actual lawsuit that came in.

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Correct.

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I can already tell you, I know exactly what they did make.

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No, no. It sold over like $1.5 million worth. But keep in mind, if you sell a $22 book, you get like $7. Right, okay. But what they made, I would love to be able to duplicate their success. Listen, good, nice. So we're talking about, I'll tell you later.

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Anyway, the point is, is that in Chris Todd's defense, I think Chris Todd, although I do believe it's willful blindness, I don't think he looked into it and I'm, you know, I think that he got approached by Wade and Courtney. He started working with Courtney. Courtney said he had all these tapes. He wanted it to be true. He started shopping them.

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At some point, though, he had to realize that Courtney doesn't have the tapes. Courtney wouldn't show them to him, wouldn't send him anything. And they put out the book. He wanted the book to be, whether it's true or not, I don't know. And he wanted it to be true. It started selling. It's the most success he's ever had in his life. times about a hundred.

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Yes. Got a big head from it for a guy who was already an arrogant prick. You know, so he goes, so he, he does this whole thing. And, but I, you know, I think that it was willful blindness. I don't think he looked into it like he should have. I agree. But I don't think that he knew 100% that it wasn't. He probably thought it wasn't true or it might be true. He just didn't care.

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He didn't care. And the person telling, like, you're telling me. Well, because he wanted to sell the movie rights. That was the next thing. Yeah, which was never going to happen. You don't own it. And in his mind, he's thinking that I copyrighted it.

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So I own the copyright. Like, you don't own it. I can copyright anything as long as it's not already copywritten.

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No. Chris, you know, stop. I loved it when the whole time where they were like, well, you're going to get sued. He's like, well, if you want to sue Jeff Bezos, go ahead. It's like, Chris, they're not going to sue Joe Bezos. They're going to file a cease and desist. They're going to take the book down. Correct. And I even have...

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texts of me telling him, yo, bro, I think you've got some issues here. I think they're going to sue you and they're going to get the book taken down and this and that. And he's like, well, they want to sue Jeff Bezos. And he's saying this stuff in text. And listen, within four days, the book is down.

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The Kim Porter memoir was true. And we let him pitch it as if it was true. Video blows up. The moment you come out and say, listen, it's not true. All of this isn't true. And not just that. We don't think that there are really tapes. We don't believe this. Here's what's going on. Here's how the story's changed. The guy's a liar. Guess what immediately happens? Those videos don't do well.

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It's like, boom, the book's down. It's like, I told you, you've got some issues. It's the arrogance. Yeah.

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Well, the problem is I don't think any of this has hurt him. You see what I'm saying? I don't think he had a great name to begin with. But I think that it probably got him – it obviously got him more publicity.

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He's probably going to sell a lot more books for this. You know, he can solve the Menendez parents' murder, find out who really murdered them, hit their parents.

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2305.193

He's going to figure it out. For every solved case out there, he's going to figure out who really did it.

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2310.794

I didn't know that. It's like Kurt Cobain wrote a note. There's a video. People were in the room. and he's going to find out who really killed him.

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No, I'm just saying, in general, that's how bad it could be. There could be a video of the guy doing it himself. He's going to be like, I'm going to find out who really did it. But yeah, this probably was the biggest thing ever for him, and he'll probably make something of it. God bless him.

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2344.608

He won't be on this program again. I'm not saying because of me. I'm saying because we despise each other at this point. But yeah, yeah. He seems to have that effect on a lot of people. He does. A lot of people despise him.

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2358.891

Listen, I'll tell you what happened with us real quick is that, listen to this. And by the way, I'm sure he's taking 100% credit for what I'm about to tell you, although it had nothing to do with him. All the dirty laundry.

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2372.113

It's all coming out about Chris Todd. Chris. Chris. Anyway, what was so funny is— Wait, you need this for the promo at the beginning.

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2381.143

Yeah, exactly.

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2386.447

So what happened is we did a video about— You know how he solved the Ron— The Ron— Goldman. Goldman. Case. Yeah, who killed Ron Goldman.

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2401.416

Thank you for that. So he solved the case.

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2405.479

which in in the end by the way is still oj you know it's funny because like you didn't solve anything you threw another party in there like i don't what so anyway we do a whole video really because i never even read it he's always claiming he solved the case he told me about it but it's just it's still oj well what's the claim the claim is that this one's really killed me

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OJ owed the mob $50,000, so they sent kind of a mob associate with him to collect the money to rob his ex-wife to get the money to pay the mob. Well, it's a theory. OJ couldn't come up with $50,000?

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Isotoners commercial. He would have made that. Because he was a drug addict. He's saying he had a drug problem.

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They want to believe the sensationalism thing. And they celebrate gun violence and brutalizing people. And it's a horrible, horrible, I don't want to say genre, but industry in general. So, yeah, I absolutely believe it. I absolutely believe it.

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2458.269

No, no. He could have done two golf pros, played at two tournaments and easily made it.

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2468.152

I know.

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And if Chris Todd was a better writer, he would have gone with that angle. But he didn't. So anyway—

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Which is so funny because after the video came out, like people that he, Chris Todd talked about were emailing me saying, that's not true. Chris Todd lied about that. There actually, there are more texts. Like he, Chris Todd like talks about a text and that's the last text I got. And the guy's like, that's bullshit. I can send you screenshots of the text because it continues on and on.

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2502.579

Chris Todd just cuts it off at that point. So anyway, whatever. The point is, is that, is that Chris Todd comes on, he talks about OJ. In the whole thing, at one point, I'm like, well, why haven't they come out with this? And Chris Todd goes, I don't know. Maybe they're waiting for O.J. to die.

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And then O.J. dies. So here's what happened. Colby edits the video. Was that in the little hook at the beginning?

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2544.741

So he put it on standby. You know why? Because most of our stream yards, if we all have a lot of – we try and play the in-person videos, right? We try and post the in-person videos. And then – so let's say we put this video out and it gets – 8,000 views. And we realized within the first day, it's like, okay, this thing's gonna, it dies tomorrow. Tomorrow it gets 3,000 views and it's dead.

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2569.769

Well, we don't wanna have 3,000 views on a new video for the channel. So Colby, am I giving away anything? No. So Colby will drop a StreamYard video that he thinks might do OK because it's worth at least another five to ten thousand because they don't StreamYard. I mean, sorry, remote podcasts obviously don't do that well. They don't do it.

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They don't have as good of a chance as an in-person video. So he'll drop it just to keep our numbers up, right, to kind of keep the revenue up. So he'll drop it. So what happens is we had a video that didn't do great. And Colby was like, you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to just go and drop that that one from Chris Todd. And he drops it. Which no, OJ, he drops it.

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And like an hour after or an hour before, whatever, he dropped it. The family announces OJ Simpson just died. And it, what is that?

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It blows up. And it has nothing to do. It has nothing to do with OJ's death or anything. It got, what, 700,000, 800,000? Yeah, it was over 500,000. It had already done 20,000 flattened out.

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Do you know what's so funny is I was driving to the doctor and I had my phone clicked on, you know, my wife had this, her old car had this, you know, one of those things that holds your phone and I'm, I don't know where I'm going. So I'm watching the map, right? I'm driving. I'm okay. And I hear it's like ding, you know, I get the push notifications on when people leave comments, you know, ding.

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2679.061

Okay. Ding.

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2684.088

Ding, ding. A little bit. Ding. And I'm like. So I'm listening to this for like 15 minutes. I'm like, what the fuck is going on? Now, I don't really pay attention because sometimes people will go on like your social media and they'll just like everything you have. So you get these ding, ding.

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I don't because, you know, it makes me feel good about myself.

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So even though you have such a big dick. Yeah, I've never said that. Look at this. That's a lie. Look at the size of my hands. That's something he came up with. My wife will still tell you that's not true. So I trust me. She's mentioned it. So that's a different story.

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Try it risk-free with a 100-day money-back guarantee. Trust me, your future self will thank you. And thank you to Qualia for sponsoring today's episode. So anyway... So it's going to be me, me, me. It's going it's not that bad, but it was it was going. And then finally somebody sent me one where it was a friend like it was a message, a text. And I like I was like, OK, let me hit I hit this.

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And somebody goes, yo, bro, I don't know if you realize this or not. You just you put out a video, you know, I guess yesterday and O.J. about O.J. Simpson. And he his an hour ago or 20 minutes ago, his family notified everybody that he just died.

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And they're like, it looks like your video is like blowing up. And I was like, oh, my God. And it was it did great for us. It did great.

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I'd love to give Chris Todd some credit for that, but I won't. I'll give you no credit. It had nothing to do with you. It really had nothing to do with Colby. It was a fluke.

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I was gonna say, knowing you, you're walking out with your wife to dinner.

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It's happened, she knows. She pulls out some TV dinners and knows that we're not making it to Outback.

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2905.86

Yeah, so, okay.

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2908.561

Do people go to Chili's?

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Oh, really? Yeah.

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Yeah, you know what's funny is my wife is from a town called Okeechobee, and I think the nicest restaurant in all of Okeechobee is, I think it's Chili's.

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2936.451

You've got to have Ronnie Bowen. See, now he'll see this, and he'll be like...

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2978.374

On February 5th, he's going for his probation revocation hearing. So at that point – but he basically – You had him in town.

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2992.105

Yeah, he's – We can help. He's actually going to be fine on the revocation. So he's fine now. Like, I mean, if you flew him in now or – but we're so close now.

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3079.742

Listen. Yeah, you guys crush it. Listen, this is great. I don't have to have a real job. I get to schedule stuff. You pay him well? He's talking to me. I'm lucky. I'm just a talent. I don't have to do anything. All I do is every once in a while, he'll send me a... Yeah, I don't have a Colby.

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3099.099

Oh, no.

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3104.462

He'll send me something. He'll put it up and put the thumbnail up and I'll look at it and I'll be like, bro. I'm too much of a control freak. I need to like... So I'm saying every once in a while, I'll be like, bro, you couldn't get a better fucking picture of me? Like, you got me like, this looks horrible. Like, what are you doing? And he's like, no, I thought it was funny. No, it's not funny.

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3120.472

What we're going for is cool guy. Cool guy is what we're going for. And he's like, yeah, I have to remind him of that. I have an image to uphold.

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3144.954

You, you, you live like if you drive down the street, it dead ends. And then there's a cow pasture.

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315.415

I think it's the, I think the moment it gets away with you in the press and everybody starts paying attention, you know, evil, you know, despises the light, you know what I'm saying? So the moment it's everywhere, uh, it becomes a thing where it's like, okay, you can't shut enough people. Too many people are talking about you can't shut them all up. It's the whole...

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3158.513

Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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3166.38

Yeah. Yeah. He was, he was, he's got a really good insight.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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3187.12

Last thing you want is to end this podcast, have Colby Bolt and leave some guy sitting on my couch for three hours that I'm sitting here waiting for his Uber to come so he'll go to the airport and I'm just sitting there thinking.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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3201.149

And Kobe's like, gotta go. Sorry, have fun. No, no empathy at all.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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3230.975

Oh, listen, I'll be honest with you. We're about to create a trending topic. I'm about to create... You know I write books.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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3243.943

This is a Chris Todd book. In the vein of following Chris Todd's lead on investigative journalism, I am currently writing a book with a friend of mine who does amazing research on whether or not Garth Brooks is a serial killer.

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3262.556

Has Chris Gaines? Is that his name? Chris Gaines is in there. Oh, that's not normal. No. That's not normal. We got a whole thing on Chris Gaines. Super weird. So you've ever heard the theory that...

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3275.683

um todd um tom segura on you know that is so he came up with a theory he says i'm just repeating what i heard stop it tom there's no i found no evidence prior to him joking about this he and his wife were on their podcast your mom's house and they were talking about how odd garth brooks is keep in mind when when what how old are you are you about my age no you're in your 40s right

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3298.804

I'd love for you to guess. I'm going to say 45. Wow. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. Okay. So I'm a little older than you. I really kind of remember when Garth Brooks came out, right? I'm 55.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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3309.678

Okay.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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3315.266

We're going to. So when he came out, there wasn't social media.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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3322.846

So any interviews you saw of him lasted 20 or 30 seconds where he was just, shucks, golly, we're going to be at the Civic Center this Saturday, and that's it. He did the shucks, golly gee whiz thing, and that was it. Well, then a few years ago, he actually, obviously late to the game, he started doing social media, and he started doing Facebook. This is about six or seven years ago.

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3345.286

So four or five years ago, Tom Segura and his wife start watching some of the videos talking about how socially awkward this guy is. You watch the videos. I'm telling you, very awkward. He's an odd guy. Great music. I grew up on his music. I love country music. I'm from Florida. I love Garth Brooks. But he's socially awkward. Yeah.

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335.629

Diddy coming out saying, all these women are complete liars. They're all liars. None of it's true. I've never done anything like that. They're all money-grubbing pieces of garbage. And then suddenly there's a video of you in the hallway smacking the crap out of a chick and dragging her back in the room. And then it becomes— Okay, well, that one's true. But all the others are like, stop it, bro.

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3365.935

Tom Segura ends up saying, she's like, what do you think is wrong with him? He goes, I'll tell you what is wrong with him. He's worried about all the bodies he's got buried underneath his house. That's what he's got. So he says something along those lines. She goes, you think he's a killer? And he goes, absolutely. He's killed at least 200 or 300 people.

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3380.107

And they're like, good cover, though, doing the whole tour thing. So it becomes this huge running joke. It's a joke. And then... Tom Segura's fan base starts going after Garth Brooks' comment section saying, where are the bodies, Garth? Oh, it's bad. People have gone to his concert. Well, now there's these allegations. Well, and obviously it's satire.

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3399.976

But they will go to his concert and hold up a sign that's like, we love Garth. And when the jumbotron hits him, they drop the sign. There's another one that says, where are the bodies, Garth? And then they do stuff like guys are like, bro, I want my grandmother back. Just tell me where she is, Garth. We need to bury the body. Does he embrace and laugh about it? Oh, no. He hates it.

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3419.887

He doesn't think it's funny at all. Oh, that's a big red flag. And so when people come to him, come to Garth, and they say, hey, did you hear about this thing with Tom Segura? What do you think about that? He pulls out a video of Tom Segura that's online. where Tom Segura is playing basketball and he goes to do like a layup and he slips and falls and breaks his arm.

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3440.953

He'll hold it up and he'll go, karma. And so then the guy that that happened with that conversation tells Tom Segura and he goes, do you imagine the irony of a serial killer saying karma to me breaking my arm? He's a sick person.

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3456.359

And this has been going on for years. years. Blake Lively needs to take notes. Exactly. This is not how you take. This is not how you do it. And you understand that like Segura goes on Rogan. They have a conversation about it. Like this is everywhere. It's gotten huge. Right. And so what ends up forming from this is that fans start saying, you do understand that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That there's a list out there that's going around that has all of Garth Brooks' tour dates that line up with missing persons and unsolved murders. And they're like – and it lines up in almost every single venue he's had. This is what's happening. So – I end up doing a video with a girl by the name of Stacey Lee. Stacey Lee did a video about the Tom Segura and the Garth Brooks thing.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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3501.039

And she tells me, she's like, you know, I actually tried to find the list. There is no list. And I've looked. There's no list. And so is Pete.

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um she said there's no list she's and i actually started to do the list spent a few hours doing it she was and honestly it's it's a mammoth taxes this guy has has done over a thousand yeah i would say worldwide so so she's like and then i watched another video after that i watched another video another person said yeah they started the process and they were like yeah it's just too much too much i don't have this kind of time it's not that funny to me um but they're not as sick as i am and they're not these people are not don't have you're making the list

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3535.273

The list is done. He's a fucking monster, bro. You know how I feel writing this? I feel like I'm doing God's work.

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3547.297

I am saving lives. You know, you and I have our little shows.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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3555.982

Listen, there's at least right. I'm saying right now there's a there's 120 some odd missing people along the route.

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3564.551

No, I want to go on top. Him coming here doesn't help me. Me going there. Listen, we're going to read the book. The books will be done about three brilliant marketing. It's not just that I've uncovered a serial killer. It is phenomenal. I can't believe that Segura stumbled onto this.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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3585.737

Oh, absolutely. Listen, we got other lawsuits, too. We got stuff in this book people don't even know about. Segura's fans haven't even found it. It is over the top. It's a done deal. The FBI should have a task force right now. It's over. It's done. It's done.

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You know what? It's like Rodney King. It's like when people were coming out saying that, oh, the police beating this guy was a random event. It was a one-time thing. That was an isolated event. It was an isolated event. Absolutely. The police beating Rodney King was an isolated event on camera that got caught on camera.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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3641.094

Do you know what that's from a DRC American psycho?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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3654.963

I'm telling you.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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3670.7

I'm so excited. He's heard some of the same stories two or three times already.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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3681.541

Yeah. Go to the podcast. Colby doesn't care about my feelings or about saving lives.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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3687.024

He just wants... He wants to hit a million.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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3692.867

Yeah. Yeah, I think the whole, and my whole marketing campaign is like, go on your show, get on some other shows that push it, and then have TikTok take it and run with it. And then get on Segura.

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3711.42

Oh, yeah, well.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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3713.701

Dude, they wrote a book about the, like they're gonna do it. You understand that there's tons of videos out there right now, and all they've got is a few conversations.

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3730.182

Get him on board for the release. Well, here's the thing. I know about three comedians that know someone that is friends with Segura.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What I'm saying is that right now there's already a ton of people that are doing videos and things on them and they have nothing but a couple of jokes. I've got an entire book.

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3783.313

I can't imagine that Siguro would walk in here and do a show with me, but that's fine. You know, but it's funny because you want you as funny is that people come here and they're like, bro, I can't believe you're I'm here. I can't believe you get that, that like, Oh my God. Like they're like, I'm such a huge fan. And I'm sitting there just thinking to myself, like,

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3797.708

I'm I've got a studio in my living room. I just got out of prison. Listen, when I, uh, six months before I'm getting out of prison, I'm laying in bed thinking you're going to work at McDonald's. You're going to live in someone's spare room. You're going to be appreciative. You're going to be humble and you're going to live. That's how you're going to do your rest of your fucking life.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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3821.84

Trust me. I have a wife that's constantly grounding me.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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3824.241

Good. Some people come up to me like, bro,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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3827.824

Yeah, well. People will say, like, you're amazing. And my wife will be like, he doesn't know you. Do you understand? Do you understand what I'm saying? Yeah, I understand. Just another scumbag. Okay, I know. I know. You've mentioned it.

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3855.947

I had 22,000 words already. My buddy's already written another like five or six. We're going to have a 45. It's going to be about 200 pages, but I've got the entire list and not just the list of the tour dates. I have every place he's moved, the unsolved mystery. And I didn't just put like unsolved homicides

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And missing persons. We've excluded, like, if there was a witness and they said, oh, it was a black guy, we excluded it. Oh, it's the police believe it.

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We've already done all the work. And listen, it was months. It's a lot. Even getting all of the tour dates right is a lot of work.

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Not to mention we have the grant when he was at the Grammys. Those poor guys. This is going to become a documentary.

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The fact is all the other beatings that are happening just weren't caught on camera. Correct. They're happening. The isolated event part of that scenario was that there was a camera. That's the only isolated part of that whole scenario that the police be doing all these beatings. That's a given that was happening. But the police were like, oh, no, no, no. That was an isolated event. No, it wasn't.

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3902.566

I think he saved it for the book. Dude, get in with Segura now. I mean, listen, it's practically a description of Garth Brooks where this chick disappeared.

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3913.37

I'm telling my wife and my wife.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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3917.512

Oh yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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3918.973

Yeah. Yeah. I'm not, that's not that I'm not concerned. Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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3930.501

Yeah. No, absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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3935.308

Golly gee woods, you know, shucks, fat cowboy.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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3943.594

Yeah. Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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3949.498

Well, when, when Segura first started that, there was a huge drop in missing persons cases when he first mentioned it. Cause Garth got scared.

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3959.502

true there's a video on it he stopped murdering people because he's like damn it you have to look into this when was the next one how long it took a few months before it started ticking back up you know and listen listen to this i'm gonna tell you one more thing we'll get off the subject because i'm so excited about it but listen Let me tell you one thing.

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3978.838

When he first starts off doing his tours, he does he does like the the state fairs, right? There's a few missing one or two missing persons and a few unsolved murders during that two or three year period time. And so but then it's the the amount drastically go up. So here's why.

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3997.247

When Garth gets his first check after he does an album called Rope in the Wind, when he gets his first check for about half a million dollars, does he buy a luxury $200,000 Ferrari or a souped-up truck? Does he get a luxury penthouse in downtown Nashville? No. No. He spends nearly half a million dollars, everything he made, $432,500 to buy 13 acres of unimproved land.

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4029.98

And guess what happens immediately after when he goes on tour? Missing persons.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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4037.366

Of course. That seems a little risky. Of course. He's running an unlicensed cemetery.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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4046.918

If you suspected him, you're not going to suspect Garth Brooks. Now, I'm not saying there's not a bunch of unsolved homicides, too. Of course there are. But now he's got an opportunity where I can take the bodies and possess them. Wow.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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4063.869

I wouldn't feel comfortable.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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4069.331

We're going to get somebody. We're going to get somebody.

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Woo. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, you guys, I appreciate you watching the video. Do me a favor. Hit the subscribe button. Hit the bell so you get notified of videos just like this. Also, please check in the description box. We're going to leave a Popcorn Planet link so that you can go there and you can check out Popcorn Planet. Pleasure to be here. Pleasure to be here. We're thrilled.

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4105.666

I'm this close to a million. That's not true. That's a lie. So anyway, whatever. All right. I appreciate you guys watching. Thank you very much. See you.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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411.063

The camera being there was the isolated event. That's the same thing with all of these guys.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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438.574

Best case scenario, the best deal he gets is... 15 to 20 years, and we see him in 10 to 12 years. Best case.

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44.332

There are two ways to leave here, either through the door with the deal signed or through this window and we're on the 29th floor.

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468.884

I mean— I feel, I feel like there's something should happen and will it happen? I don't know what they have. It might, you know, honestly, I don't know. It depends on what comes out maybe in the trial, what, what evidence comes out, you know, do these people testify or, What does Diddy say?

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492.278

Like if Diddy started cooperating, like he could start cooperating right now and start grabbing people, plucking people off the street. You know, hey, there's I can give you this guy. I can give you this guy. I can give you this guy like that might be the. So do I think if that happened for sure, I think that these guys get caught up in it.

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538.223

Yeah, I think that I think that he's probably is guilty of that. The fact is the fact that they roped this whole thing into a RICO charge is to me is weak. You're using RICO to say that you're using your your your record label as some kind of an organized crime or, you know, organized crime, you know, whatever. unit or company or whatever. I think that that seems weak to me.

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I think what ends up happening is you've got the gun charges on him and maybe you get the... He's definitely... He's guilty of... paying sex workers.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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596.315

And then everyone's like, Jay-Z's guilty.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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601.779

Also the statute of limitations on that charge. I'm thinking about Jay-Z being pulled into Diddy's stuff. Got it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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609.785

Right. And so I'm thinking that...

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618.412

No, I don't think he gets—okay, on that, I don't think he gets arrested on that because the statute of limitations is up, right? Statute of limitations—everybody's like, oh, and that's why when he comes out, he's like, charge me criminally. But, bro, you know the statute of limitations. Like, that's how stupid—well, first of all, two things. One, that's how stupid—

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634.406

He thinks society is, and that's how stupid society is. Yeah. Because he knows how stupid his fan base and just society is. If I was guilty of it, you should arrest me criminally. Like, bro, you already know. They can't do that. They can't do that. That's why you're mouthing off like that.

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You would think right then that was so disingenuous that anybody with a brain would be like, oh, wow, bro, you got something to hide. The fact that that's what your defense is is pathetic.

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660.307

Right. I think if there's an investigation, I think that if the trial goes forward with Diddy, I think there's more stuff comes out about Jay-Z. And I think that may manifest itself in charges of some kind. That's what I think. Then he probably gets arrested. But it depends, you know, does Diddy, he's probably, he's so arrogant. He's going to go to trial.

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680.983

He's so arrogant. If he was smart, he'd take a deal right now, but he's arrogant. He's going to end up getting, going to trial and getting 45 years.

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Yeah, but here's a... I mean, yes, most of these guys, once they lose their appeals... They lose their – what's called a 2255 where you file ineffective assistance to counsel where you say my lawyers were ineffective. They didn't help me.

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709.584

Bad lawyer. So they're going to – at that point – but by that point, it's been seven or eight years, and now they start to think – I let I could have talked and I could have given up all these people. I could have cut a deal. I could have saved myself. And at that point, statute of limitations is up. There's nothing you can do. You're done. Sit down like you're going to do the rest of your time.

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735.184

That's what happened at that point. It's like, oh, I need a pardon. I need this. I need that. And by that point, everybody forgot about you. Your money's all gone. Your fans are sending you 50 bucks here, 10 bucks here. But the truth is, you're you're just an old man now who's going to do got 45 more years to go.

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And I'm sure his lawyers are all telling him, like, we're going to beat this. We're going to send us another hundred thousand. We need to we're going to get this witness, this this expert.

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They're asking for outrageous amounts because they're waiting for him to get found.

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But of course they want to. You know why? Because the moment he's found guilty, you've got no defense. If you settle now for a few million dollars, okay. But if you lose at trial, that $3 million for this one, $6 million for this one, $4 million for – those lawsuits could be settled right now for nominal change compared to what this guy's got. Once you're found guilty – it's over.

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You're, they're going to, the civil, those civil lawyers will continue, civil cases will continue to go forward. And now you can't even get on the stand because as soon as you do, they're going to say, um, uh, Mr. Uh, um, uh, Mr. Diddy, or, you know, Mr. Combs, Mr. Combs, uh, What you just found guilty of this and this and this and this.

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You can't even get there and say, oh, well, none of that's true. Oh, it's not true. So you're not even going to own up to the fact that the government and a jury of your peers has already found you guilty of all these things. The same thing, by the way, that my client is saying that she was a part of and he's going to what?

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So that five million you could have settled for probably just turned into 50 million because the jury is going to be like. scumbag.

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Well, I mean, it depends how much the lawyers get. There will be, they'll be selling off his assets. They'll get something.

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I interviewed Courtney Burgess. You know who he is? I avoided him. Oh, listen.

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Okay. What, I mean, what, what changed? Like how, how did that change?

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I don't want to say that. You don't want to be beat. I'm saying like how did that evolve? Like were you a kid that was not at that time popular? I know you said you buckled down, but were you not popular? Because I know obviously you got into putting together parties and eventually events. So how did that evolve and why do you think that evolved?

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I don't know. I know exactly. I wanted to be like, yeah. I know how you feel. You know what I'm saying? Like it's, you can look back and think I should have done this. I should have done this. I should have done this.

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And did you ever go to your parents and say, Hey, this is what's happening.

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That's not the conversation they want.

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Are these kids now asking for their money back?

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First of all, that's usury. Like, I can't believe that a parent – Like if you came to me and said, yeah, give me 25 and I'll give you back this. I'd be like, yeah, listen, bro. First of all, this is not going to happen. And two, like I can't charge you that much. It's illegal for me to charge you that much interest. It's called usury.

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Well, by this point, you skip that part. By this point, you've actually bought into a nightclub, right?

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But it's also kind of a small town and this is a big deal.

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But they're basically an FBI – that's basically an FBI agent.

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So when you went down to speak with the Department of Banking and Finance, did you tell your parents, hey, I got this letter. I'm going to go down there and talk.

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You want to fit in.

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man, I'm just in shock that the lawyer didn't say, explain to you what a Ponzi scheme was, you know? And the thing is, is that like, I'll talk to guys and say that, you know, I'll tell them, I've had a couple of different events with lawyers and, And they're like, oh, a lawyer wouldn't do that. No, you'd be shocked how stupid lawyers can be.

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And the things that they'll say and the – even – not that I think this guy was sleazy. I just think he was ineffective. He just – he was trying to figure out how do we get this kid out of this or maybe he didn't understand exactly what was going on. And he's thinking, oh, no, it's civil. We can handle this by getting a repayment program, plan or something. But yeah, like –

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Yeah, that was a mistake. I mean there was – it's – there's – the thing is like it's the same thing. I always think like I definitely was raised with thinking that obviously law enforcement is on your side. You talk to them. They're out for your best interest. They don't – they want to find the – I watch Law & Order. They always want to do the right thing.

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And that's – it's certainly not the case all the time. And the other thing I was going to say is that the difference between when I got my phone call and my letter, I knew I'd done something wrong. You're still thinking I made a mistake. I didn't really break the law.

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Right. I mean. So what happened? So what happened? So I've been I'm trying to because, you know, the whole time I'm like, why do you do this? Why do that? You know, when you watch the the episode, it's like, oh, he should have done this. What was he thinking? Why didn't he do this? He should have known the lawyer should have told him. But I've had lawyers tell me all kinds of stupid stuff.

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I know multiple guys that have gone to gone to prison because they were listening to a corporate lawyer that told them the wrong thing.

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So, so what happened at that point? You've got the, you got the target letter. You talked to the, to the criminal defense attorney. He says, do not talk to these people. We're going to fight this. So what happened then? You got to go to your dad.

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And it's you and your dad.

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Are you starting to realize this is super serious?

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Are you charging money for them?

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Now you know that that's not really your decision to make.

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Well, what was the plea deal?

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Do you think that maybe your behavior, like had you gone in there and been contrite and apologetic and that you could have gotten kind of a pretrial intervention where you wouldn't have been prosecuted?

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So what happens after the meeting with the U.S. attorney?

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If they called you on the phone, you'd have just come down.

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You're making it sound like the U.S. government would lie or mislead you. So what, so when they come down, they arrest you, you get brought downtown, you get processed, you get released?

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OK, so but up until that point, that that nightclub was doing well.

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What's going on with the people that you owed the money to? Are any of them still coming around or are they waiting?

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All right. So while they're putting their investigation together, you're still running the club. So that goes on for six months. Are they doing anything like giving your bank subpoenas? Are your bank accounts being shut down? Anything like that?

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Are you starting to realize this is super serious? You were raised in Connecticut.

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So, I mean, why do you think you were, like, why did that appeal to you? I understand you're saying I was, you know, the center stage, but I mean, did that suddenly, suddenly were you like the kid at high school that everybody knew now? Like everybody knows you, or prior to that, you weren't that kid? Like, was it more of just a business thing?

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Right. OK. But you're saying they were doing that trying to shut down your ability to make money.

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Right. What happened? I mean, after six months, what happens?

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That's fast.

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Oh, 11 months. Oh, okay. Okay, January. Sorry, I was thinking June, July.

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And he's already found guilty.

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I was going to say somebody was holding out.

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Are you, did you think about appealing it?

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So, and you got to turn yourself in, right?

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So what happened? What prison did you get sent to?

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Where'd you spend the most time?

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So what, you're showing up for three months and then being moved?

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You said you went to Oklahoma City?

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I was gonna say, what did you think about getting off the plane?

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No, I mean, I went through Oklahoma. But I mean, when they take you off the plane and you're right into the prison.

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So what did you think of the camp?

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This isn't from, this is stuff being brought in.

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And what happened?

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Did you ever realize that this guy's gay?

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Oh, wow. Like, bro, I would have been concerned about them grabbing you, throwing you in the shoe or throwing you on a bus, shipping you out of there.

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Is he an older white guy?

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So literally something similar to that happened to, not me, but to actually an older inmate who was my cellie. At one point, same type of thing where the guard never touched him, but he basically made a bunch of sexual advances toward him. And and he was like, he was like, you know, no, I'm not interested. And absolutely not. And he basically walks off.

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And then he came and he told us, he's like, you're not me and my buddy Petey, like, you're not gonna believe what just happened. And he told us and we were just like, are you serious?

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So how does that, I mean, okay, so you're planning the parties. How did you, at what point did you decide, hey, I can move this to another level? Like you said, you're planning on being, you're hoping to be an FBI agent of somebody, you know, or- Being an agent, like, is that still in the works or did that just fall to the side? At some point you just stopped even pursuing that.

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So while I was in Coleman, two, even though I'm not trying to make this about me, I'm just- Did we have to get Justin here? I know. I'm just trying to explain it. Two COs got arrested for sex offenses while I was there. One was actually using the computer at the prison. Another one-

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Hooked up – well, he thought he was talking to like a 13- or 14-year-old boy, and it turned out to be a 45-year-old pissed-off FBI agent. And he met him like in the parking lot of like a Publix or something, like a grocery store. So it was two while I was there.

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It's almost like the clergy. They'll move him. They'll just move him to another prison. That's their problem. And they'll move him to another prison. That's their problem.

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So what are your parents saying this whole time?

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Right. And then you got out. What were your plans when you got out?

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You act like you're 60 years old, bro.

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No, no. Yeah, you're right.

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Where were you staying at that time?

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Well, here's, you know, like when I started my channel, I, you know, like I knew pretty quickly where it was like, okay, well, wait a second. And I have 13 years of prison stories and almost a decade of committing fraud. And even I knew I'll be out of stories pretty quick. Like that, even if you stretch it out, what's that going to be a year, six months? Like you can't sustain that.

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You have to do interviews.

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Right. You kind of couldn't, you kind of, I would say you're basically, you're conscripting their subscription base. And so they learn about you and then they say, Hey, I kind of like this guy or I like what he said. And

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So it's funny, you know, because when you first started doing the TikToks, I can't tell you how many of the guys, because I'm very quick to give out my phone number. I'll go back and forth with someone on Instagram or an email and I'll be like, hey, bro, here's my phone number. Just text me. Because maybe they're like, hey, I got a buddy. He'd be a great interview. And they try and help you out.

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And you're like, I don't want to email this guy back and forth. He seems okay. You give him your phone number. So then, of course, you're texting people. I can't tell you how many people.

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as soon as you started posting would be like bro you got to check this guy out bro you got to check this guy and i'm getting this one text after another test this is going on for a month and i was like first of all at that point i wasn't even doing tick tock or shorts or any of that stuff but then when i we started doing them i was like i don't understand like i've got some great stories but

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Bix, his stuff is really blowing up. And I realized, and I've tried to do this, by the way, kind of mimic the whole, just, you know, talking to the camera. It's so difficult. It really is. Like talking to you, I don't really think, every once in a while I'll glance at the camera because I'm like, oh, that's right. I'm on, you know, we're on camera, but this feels very comfortable.

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But standing there, telling a story to your iPhone, you know, on your little ring thing and just tell it like, it's hard.

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Yeah, it's hard.

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It's professional looking too. Well, I also just, but I think, no, I think your stuff is professional. Even when you're standing outside just doing it, it comes off good. You're good at it. You're relaxed. And I'm like, how is he so fucking relaxed doing this?

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Yeah. No, when you start talking about, well, you know, in prison, this is how or this is how you make Stinger or this is how you make, you know, prison pizza. Or it's like the fact that you're even saying the word prison. It's like there's no he didn't go to prison.

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What's the guy? I'm going to say his name is Josh from 23 and 1.

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Yeah, yeah. I've texted him once or twice, and he'd be great to interview.

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I'm excited for that. Do a remote. I won't do a remote. Listen, I didn't want to either. You understand, I didn't do any remotes for the first year. I've only been doing them for about a year and a half now. But yeah, like, I mean, there's, listen, everybody wants to, everybody would, would have you on their, everybody would have you on their platform.

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And I think almost everybody involved, everybody in the, you know, the genre would, would definitely be on your platform.

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Well, so your channel's blown up so you can have standards. Yeah. The bar is very low.

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My channel's doing great. The fact that I'm able to make a living doing this, like it's the same thing. You were working for Whole Foods. Like you had kind of said, this is where it's at. This is what I'm going to do. Like you weren't thinking. I, for some reason, felt like... I just felt like you had just gotten out of prison.

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When I saw those clips, I thought this guy just got out of play and he planned this. The last six months of his prison bid, he probably planned, I'm going to get out. I'm going to tell this story. I'm going to tell this story. He probably has a list of them. He's probably super. And every time somebody would mention you, I'd go, yeah, bro, that guy's super social media or, you know, media savvy.

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Like he really has it down. The idea that you didn't do anything for four years is shocking.

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Yeah, I definitely... I mean, listen, it's paying all my bills, which is shocking to me.

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Yeah. Anyway, so... Well, do you feel like we haven't touched on anything? Anything else you want to go over?

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Okay, so everything good? That it? We're good?

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I'm just saying, is there anything else you want to touch on? Anything else you want to say? No?

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Yeah, because I always ask because people have said like, bro, you just cut it off. Like give the guy a chance. Maybe he wanted to say something. I mean, everybody knows who you are. Obviously, we'll put all of your social media links in the description box, of course.

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But that's it. We're good?

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Yeah, that didn't happen. Hey, I appreciate you guys watching. Do me a favor. If you like the video, hit the subscribe button, hit the bell so you get notified of videos like this. Also check out the description box for all of Ian's social media and his YouTube channel. Really appreciate you guys watching. See ya.

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Okay. So, I mean, if it was a summer home, why were you raised there?

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What did your parents say?

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Right. So, all right. And that you're still in high school, though.

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Did the school ask you who asked you to do like prom and did they come to you and say, hey, can you do this?

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Oh, okay. Okay. You went to high school here and how did you, like, were you a good student?

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Okay. So it evolved and then at some point you start, you said you started like planning bigger events.

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Yeah, I've heard the name Big Sean, but I don't know.

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And you contacted them? What did they tell you? How much they wanted? How does that work?

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How many people showed up?

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Yeah, but what did Big Sean want?

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So how do you, you know, at what are you, 17?

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How does a 17-year-old, even though I understand you're making money, how do you scrape together 40 grand?

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Are you explaining any of this to your dad? Do you have a mentor? Do you have anybody that you're going to and saying, hey, I downloaded a contract. Is it a big deal? What if I guarantee their money? Because you cannot guarantee money. You know what I'm saying?

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Well, first of all, them signing a contract with a 17-year-old and expecting that he's going to pay you back. Like, first of all, you're 17. You can't sign a contract.

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And you've got an LLC set up with a business bank account set up.

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How do you open an LLC if you're not 18 years old?

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Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah. Okay, because I wrote a book for a guy named Ephraim Deverelli.

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What are you, 17? How do you scrape together 40 grand?

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You know who I'm talking about? No, that's a big name. So Jonah Hill plays him in the movie War Dogs. So I was in prison with Ephraim, and I wrote his memoir when we were in prison. It's called Once a Gunrunner. And anyway, I remember because his dad gave him the LLC.

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His dad had a shelf LLC and gave it to him when he was like 17 years old because it had been open because he couldn't open one himself. As a matter of fact, his dad ended up signing for the gun licenses in order to start buying guns for him because he was 17. Same thing. He was doing super well for 17. The system is just not designed for a 17-year-old to do well or to enter business. Yeah.

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Yeah, so what happens at that point?

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Why didn't it happen?

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So you were supposed to get, who were you supposed to get?

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Didn't happen.

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But did you have all the money? Oh, so you didn't put up any money for the venue or anything? You didn't lose any money?

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But these aren't big events, but these are smaller venues.

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All right. Well, so it was so that was profitable.

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Well, then, so what so at what point do you tell your investors like, Hey, bro, like we, I know the money I put, I put your money into this venue, it didn't work out, you lost your money.

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There are questionable people.

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Using forgeries and bogus identities, Matthew B. Cox, one of the most ingenious con men in history, built America's biggest banks out of millions. Despite numerous encounters with bank security, state and federal authorities, Cox narrowly, and quite luckily, avoided capture for years. Eventually, he topped the U.S. Secret Service's Most Wanted list and led the U.S.

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Marshals, FBI, and Secret Service on a three-year chase, while jet-setting around the world with his attractive female accomplices. Cox has been declared one of the most prolific mortgage fraud con artists of all time by CNBC's American Greed. Bloomberg Businessweek called him the mortgage industry's worst nightmare, while Dateline NBC described Cox as a gifted forger and silver-tongued liar.

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Playboy magazine proclaimed his scam was real estate fraud, and he was the best. Shark in the Housing Pool is Cox's exhilarating first-person account of his stranger-than-fiction story. Available now on Amazon and Audible.

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But I mean, honestly, that was probably, that probably passed his time. You know what I'm saying? Some people are like, why would you do that? But he probably had a blast doing it. You get to build something. It doesn't matter about the money because the money doesn't mean anything. No, I didn't mean that. It's building this whole thing.

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Drug treatment specialist.

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Yeah, I'd rather look at McDonald's.

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But just don't quit, man, because I mean, I wasn't the statistic. Ninety percent of 90 percent of the millionaires have claimed bankruptcy at least once, at least once.

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Are you going to school?

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Okay. Well, look, I'm glad you came out. I appreciate you coming. Do you want us to leave links in the description box? Do you have any social media links, a website, anything?

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And I appreciate you. I appreciate you coming.

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Hey, if you guys liked the video, do me a favor. Hit the subscribe button. Hit the bell so you get notified of videos just like this. Please leave me a comment. Check the description box for all the links that we talked about. And I appreciate it. See you.

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Ultimately... Was it as much fun as your buddy said?

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Were you supposed to sneak out, or you just came home?

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Like a normal kid. I'm not.

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Everything. At this point,

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They caught them? They caught them.

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You can understand.

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What I'm saying is You understand why he said that.

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I didn't know if you were like, it's not my fault. You're a little kid. You don't fucking know. Nah. I didn't know if you realized like, yeah, I fucked up.

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Or that I think that people in general, when other people are doing well, almost root for them to fail. Does that make sense? If you're doing well, you're doing everything right. You deserve to do well. And I'm not doing well? Mm-hmm. probably just because I'm not doing the right thing, and then you fail, then a lot of people are glad about that. Yeah, it's almost gratifying. I knew it.

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See, I told you they weren't all that. See, they're such a drug dealer too. See, they raised a fucking drug dealer. Exactly.

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Your mom, how's she going to fucking keep all... Your dad's at work all the time. How can your mom raise three teenagers? It's almost impossible to keep control. Three of them? Three. Boys. It's almost impossible to keep control of one. In the ghetto.

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So when they arrested you, did you bond out or did you do all this while you were in?

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I was going to say, those were the ones that were kind of...

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kind of boxy but they had like a ton of horsepower right like didn't they have like 300 horsepower 300 yeah something like a lot of horsepower buick grand national they were beating like the uh the mustang uh 5.0 they were beating mustang 5.0s and it didn't look like it didn't even look like it looked like a little boxy monte carlo some little two-door coupe but i bought one of those i bought me an old school chevy but at this time i'm having like 50 60 000

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Did you ever see, not that we were talking about shorts and B-roll. Did you ever see the movie with Morgan, is it Morgan Fishburne? Lawrence Fishburne. Lawrence, I knew I didn't sound right. Lawrence, did you ever see, it was called Undercover? Deep Cover. Deep Cover. One of my favorite movies, man. Oh, I love that movie. Man. I used to have that movie. When it was VHS. VHS. Yeah.

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One of my favorite movies.

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He said, Oakland. No, you ain't from Oakland. I know Oakland. Yeah. Yeah. Well, when you were talking and he remember he punches him and he says, do you want to file a police report? He's like, no, no, that's all right. When you were talking about that, I pictured that scene where he runs up and he calls him Judas and he punches him.

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And they were in the thing yelling and you were talking about the bad cop. Even though he was a good cop. That was a good cop. He was a good cop, yeah. But the fact of the matter is they were doing that and it wasn't getting reported. Well, it's like the Rodney King thing. Everybody always says when Rodney King was happening,

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That whole thing's bad.

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It's another New Jack City.

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Yeah, well, no, they were selling everything in the complex. In the complex. Once you were in the complex.

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And you couldn't leave to say, hey, they're loading up the car right now.

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I want to say Snowfall. Snowfall actually was based on that. And it was, oh God, what's his name? Franklin. No, no, I'm saying the drug dealer that went to prison and got out.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, Rick Ross.

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Right. So you went to prison. State prison, San Quentin. Are you serious?

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Is that a pen or is that a medium?

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But I mean, we're known drug dealers.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I hate it when they're underhanded.

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So when you got out, so you knew that before you went in? That what? You knew all that stuff was missing before you went in. No, no, no. He took it the day I got arrested. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So you got arrested. He took all the stuff. Then you do your time. Then you go to get out. And what happens then? You get out. You thought you had this stuff. No, I didn't think I had the stuff.

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I knew he had got it. I know. I'm saying you thought... You knew that stuff was gone, so you're getting out to nothing, and you know this guy ripped you off. I know he ripped me off.

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Did you accuse him of it?

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and all of these articles said that i would get so you thought that you had a one-up on me but when i came out i didn't even think about him i didn't even show him any consideration i didn't even pay attention to him you know here's the thing like i mean obviously that that happens to everybody across the board people just immediately start cannibalizing you um but i mean i i knew a guy who lived in over a million dollar house was friends with his neighbors they went to barbecues they hung out there he got arrested it was in the newspaper

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he wasn't getting bond um and then he ended up he didn't get bond his brother went to his house look go to my house lock it up do this dude he goes to the house and literally his brother shows up and catches one of the next door neighbors stealing his like he had like a ten thousand dollar grill in the backyard whoa and so you're you're living like a multi-million dollar house

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Your neighbors live in a multimillion-dollar house. They're successful business owners. They think, oh, he's not coming back. He's not getting bond. Hey, he's got a really nice grill. Let's go over there and steal it. What are you doing? What are you doing? And I remember him telling me that, being like, what scumbag?

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And I was just like, bro, that happens all the time to people that are in the game. You know what I'm saying? Like, guys, all your buddies immediately go into your place and take your TV or this or that. And you're like, what the hell is going on? Yeah, where's the honor? But these people are worth millions. People are just scumbags.

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In general, what I've learned from just reading the comment section is people are just scumbags. They really are. People are? They are. Yeah. Listen, my wife and I were talking about that. The things that people say in the comment section really let you know who they are. And what I've decided is that the bulk of people are just scumbags. They say scumbag things. They have scumbag opinions.

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People are horrible. It's a horrible species.

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You're very negative. It's one of those rogue cops. No, I'm not going to sit here and listen to you talk bad about the police.

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So what happened when you got out of prison with the guy that ripped you off? What happened then?

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Did you track him down?

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I'm just saying. I know.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So this is fake credit card information. Credit cards.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I did that for years. Well, how do you make the rest of the difference? You're selling it directly to retailers, or are you selling it on eBay or something?

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This was back when they were available. They were available, yeah.

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Yeah, I was going to say, but you're a little kid. You're not thinking past an hour or two of your life. You're not thinking even a week in advance.

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Right back to the people who are really supposed to have it. If you took the 95% of the wealth that is accumulated in the upper 5% of society and you redistributed it equally within three years, the 5% of society will have all that, 95% of that money again.

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Boosting you up, making you look bigger and bigger. And you know what male ego will do. And making you look like, definitely letting these guys know this guy's in the game. He knows other people. He fronts people money.

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Did you think, was the call so vague that you thought maybe the guy's full of shit? Or did you 100% know this guy knows something's happening? He's absolutely on point. I know that he knows.

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And their drug case is a slam dunk.

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The gold nugget watch. The necklaces and the watches. He didn't even know. Remember they had the watches? You could get like a little pendant. Oh, man. Some guys had whole chains. Whole chains.

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What I think is if you were, let's say you were questionable if you were innocent and you could go to trial, then a paid lawyer probably does help. But in your situation, you're going to plead guilty. So no, I don't see that a paid lawyer is going to make much. Like if you're already going to say,

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what's the best deal I can get, because you can't go to trial, then yeah, there's no reason to pay a lawyer. He's not going to help you any, like, you know, well, I'm going to give you 50 grand, but I'm still going to get, you're still getting the minimum mandatory no matter what. That's the best you can do. And with your criminal history, you're probably already over the minimum mandatory.

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And I was, and I was pretty much. And I don't see that a paid lawyer can help you.

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Isn't there a minimum mandatory or wouldn't it? So, yeah. Is there a minimum mandatory, a mandatory minimum after the 120? Yeah. Is it like five? Which will put it up to 180. Right. Okay. Well, that'd be 60 months. But that plus your criminal history points is what got you to the 84.

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But the thing that... Did you ever hear Zach, my buddy Zach's story about... Being in where he was a member of the Florida car.

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And do you remember talking about they called them all these guys. There's like fucking 10 of them in a room in somebody's cell. Like the shot caller, they call him in there. And he's like, brings them all in there. And he's like, listen, man, these motherfuckers, they disrespected us. You ever heard this? I never heard this one. So Zach's like, you know. You've seen Zach. I've seen Zach, yeah.

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They call Zach, in Coleman, the black guys would call him Oreo. And so he's in there, and he's like, I'm concerned. These guys, I'm like, look, you guys, I don't have a shank. We're going to get you one. We're going to get you one. He's like, oh, man.

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he's like i'm concerned he said like and the guy the guy the shot caller like listen man tomorrow we're gonna go out there we're gonna face these motherfuckers we got this they ain't disrespecting us we're a florida car we're and they go he's going he's like they're all like we're going to war and they're all like yeah man yeah yeah and zach out of nowhere just goes um excuse me and they're like yeah what's up man he goes well why are we going to war and the guy goes

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Man, the motherfuckers, they disrespected my boy. Who's your boy? You know, my boy. And he goes, you mean the punk? Yeah. You used to be with? You're old Sally and he's kind of like you used to be with? Yeah, man, they disrespected him. Somebody tried him. He's like, we're going to show these motherfuckers. They can't just talk to us like nothing. Nobody. And he goes...

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yeah listen man i don't want to i don't want to go to war over a homosexual oh wow and he said literally all the other guys immediately were like yeah bro i don't um no i'm not we're no we're not we're not with that we're not and he's like he said so when the guy got like i upset he kind of you know wandered it broke up and he said when they broke up like guys were like man thank god you i didn't even think to ask why like thank god you're just ready to go for no reason yeah yeah not even looking into it or asking of course you know you're not really supposed to ask you're just like supposed to be a soldier but

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when Zach tells that story, I don't think I caught it, but I'll send you, I'll send you the short.

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But at least at the low, like you've got... you got sharp guys. You got guys that have owned banks. They've owned financial institutions. They're lawyers. They're doctors. We had two or three guys that had worked at NASA. We had sharp, sharp guys. I'm going to tell you what the NASA guys' charges were for. Regardless, they were still smart guys. You had people that you're like,

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Like, you definitely, this is a knowledgeable person that can teach you something. You don't get a lot of those at the medium.

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It was like three 95, four 25 paid four 25 an hour.

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Oh my God.

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Bent is the story of John J. Boziak's phenomenal life of crime. Inked from head to toe, with an addiction to strippers and fast Cadillacs, Boziak was not your typical computer geek. He was, however, one of the most cunning scammers, counterfeiters, identity thieves, and escape artists alive, and a major thorn in the side of the US Secret Service as they fought a war on cybercrime.

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With a savant-like ability to circumvent banking security and stay one step ahead of law enforcement, Boziak made millions of dollars in the international cyber underworld with the help of the Chinese and the Russians. Then, leaving nothing but a John Doe warrant and a cleaned-out bank account in his wake, he vanished.

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Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They keep coming back over and over again, for sure.

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You know, it's funny because when I was incarcerated. The whole deep state thing started when I was locked up. You started hearing about it, reading articles, and it started happening. And I just thought it was the most ridiculous thing I'd ever heard. That there was this, makes me think of kind of like the Reddington, the Blacklist kind of,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know, the cabal was out there and there was this secret organization that was really running things behind the scenes, you know. And I thought that was so ridiculous. And then when Epstein, you know, got, you know, committed suicide, you know, and then there are.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know, then when McAfee, when he supposedly himself and, you know, you start you start, you know, and then I would hear things, you know, then you've always got the the the, you know, all these people that have died that are related or connected to the Clintons or the Bushes or the. And I've always rolled my eyes at those people.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What I at the time I thought were just absolute ridiculous conspiracies. And there's still a lot of ridiculous conspiracies out there. But the more you hear about it and the more you look into it and the more you think about it as you as I watch things unfolding with it in mind now. it seems so much more plausible to me and less ridiculous than it ever was.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It's almost to the point where it's like, I'm not seeing where it's not that. And I'll give you an example of that. An example, when Trump entered, and I think this is important or timely because, of course, Trump is now president. When Trump became president, he was going to look into the JFK files. He was going to release it. Yeah, I'm going to look at it. I'll release that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'll this and that and UFOs and all these files and everything. Okay. Then he gets in there and suddenly he's like, Yeah, no, it's not a good idea. I don't. It's like, well, what happened? So then doesn't really say. He's out of office for four years. So four years go by. He's out of office. Now he gets back in office. He's saying, I'm releasing them. I'm releasing them. I'm releasing them.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What happened? Let's face it. His first day, he had a hell of a first day. He was doing all kinds of insane stuff. Not insane stuff, but he was doing everything he said he would do. But that didn't happen. Now, I watched an episode of Tucker Carlson. They were talking about Epstein and JFK.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And they got to this point where Tucker Carlson was saying, like, Trump had the intentions of releasing all these different things. JFK files everything and says to release it. And so they were saying that at some point, somebody comes to Trump or these people that are making these promises. And has to say to them, you can't do that. We can't release that. We're not releasing that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Or if you release it, it's so damning. Or maybe it's not even, hey, it's damning. It's just you can't. Now, under what threat do you convince the president of the United States, who really doesn't have a future political career, right? He's out. He's done. Once he's out of office, he's not coming around. There's nothing else for him to do. There's no other entry point for him into politics.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So what is a threat other than threat of violence of some kind that you can make to him for him to say, let's pull back?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Okay, but Kash Patel said he'd release them first day. He's been completely quiet since then.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right, are interwoven, there's a problem.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. I mean, the amount of video that should be out there on Diddy and Epstein is I mean, these guys' houses were wired up, you know, Diddy's entire house was wired up. I mean, I'm very curious to know why his attorney wants to get off the case. And I'm very curious to know, you know, what's happening behind the scenes that you can't start releasing documents. Listen, I'm not saying all of them.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But you're telling me that you can't sit down. Somebody at the FBI and the DOJ can't sit down and say, hey, let's look over 10 of these documents today. Let's release 10. Oh, tomorrow. Let's take 30 minutes out of the day for the next six months and look over 10 documents a day and release them. How hard is that? That's not difficult unless it has something like we can't mention this.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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We can't mention this because this connects whatever some prime minister with with, you know, with CP or, you know, allegations or whatever it is.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I don't think the government cares about that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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We did the previous interview, but there have been things that have happened since then. Well, Trump and Kash Patel and pretty much, you know, everybody kind of associated with him was saying that the Epstein list would be released immediately. Yeah. And then, of course, Pam Bonney. And she had also said that it would be released.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, I know I saw Pam Bonnie mention. That, you know, she had explained that, you know, there were there were victims and these are underage victims and they don't want to. Well, first of all, they're not underage victims anymore. Um, and you know, that they had to be protected.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, you can still redact those names and, and let's say, let's say they track down the women that are, are the girls that are now women that were on those tapes, um, you know, to get their information. Then, uh, uh, you know, they don't have to, it's not like they have to release their names. And, and first of all, first of all, it's been, it's been years that should have been done.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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To say, oh, well, even if they were to use that as an excuse right now, it's an ongoing investigation. We're still trying to track these people down. No, you're not. You haven't been trying to do that. It certainly doesn't take you years. You guys found that Luigi guy who shot the CEO. In a couple of days, you found him. You can find these girls. You screenshot their photos.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You put them on just their photos and you put them on a billboard and say, hey, we're looking for this person. Nobody has to know what it's for. You know, you're going to fight. It's not just that you can go to Maxwell. Right. You could go to her and sit down with her and say, we'll shave some time off for you, because that's what the government does.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, yeah, they're going to talk.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What about a... I mean, I'm just kind of going off here. I don't really know. I do know that I've never had this explained to me, even though it's been brought up several times, which is where Epstein's vast wealth came from. You know, you never really get a good answer on that, for that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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With that kind of money, you don't have to be lonely.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Do you think at some point that they do release these documents? I understand there's no actual, there's no physical list. There's not a little black book with 14 pages dedicated to you know, 42 guys and their phone numbers and information on them or anything like that, but do you think that the government ever does release the file in its entirety, even if it's redacted?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like, I can understand, I can understand redacting certain things when it comes to, obviously, you know, who these young girls were and that sort of thing. You want to redact, obviously, who they were and their age. Well, some things, you know, maybe, I don't know if you want to, their ages and their full names, any information that that would lead to people figuring out who they were.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But do you think they ever released, like, I get it. Like, you're not going to release a, a tape with, you know, a sex tape of, of the, this, you know, so I'm not suggesting the tapes, but I'm saying in general, there's gotta be, even if you describe, Hey, this is a tape of this and this and this going on where clearly this is what's happening.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know, even if they put something like that and released it, do you think that's something that's coming or you think they're just going to keep, they're just going to bury it and bury it and bury it. And that's it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They That's what they got from Diddy. They were able to connect all these independent crimes or that might be crimes just to work together and to turn it into an entire conspiracy.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like, I don't believe that that information, those documents or that information has been destroyed yet. The reason I don't is I think that that would be what a great gift for Pam Bonney, you know, and Cash Patel to be able to say, look, we went and grabbed the records and they'd all been erased.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They'd been, you know, these guys before I could get here, they, the deep state came in and they covered it all up and they, You know, it'd be great. They could they'd love to be able to blame that on the on the former administration, you know, and it's like we wanted to do the right thing. But this is what happened. We're looking into that now and that's going to take some time.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But that's why I think it definitely the stuff exists when we talk about the deep state.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, how does a commission get formed?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, have you started that process?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What about the book?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It's pretty grievous. Well, what about I mean, where do you buy the book?

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But Kash Patel said he'd release him first day. He's been completely quiet since then.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, I mean, some things, you know, it's getting well, first of all, you know. I would like to point this out as a, you know, Diddy hasn't been he was like you said, he wasn't convicted or he wasn't indicted for that. He was indicted on racketeering for other charges. So there's there's no so far that wasn't part of the indictment.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'm sure when he goes to trial, if he's dumb enough to go to trial, all that's coming out. There may be a separate indictment. But but what I was I wanted to mention to you is did you hear just on a just talking about the underage girls and everything?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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and possibly Diddy, you understand that I think yesterday, the day before, Diddy's lawyer came out, went to the judge, and is desperately trying to get off the case. He said, there's no way I can represent him. What is that? I've really... Never. I've only heard that in cases where a defendant is arguing. You basically can't argue two different things.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You can't sit here and say you're I can't say you're innocent or put you on the stand. Like if if if a defendant saying I want to be on the stand, I want to testify. But you're the defendant. defense attorney and you know he wants to testify to something that you 100% know is not true. In that case, you cannot put him on the stand.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I can't have you sit here and say, I never did this and I never did that when you already know he's admitted to you that he did do it. So if that's the conflict, that's the only time I can think of an attorney saying, absolutely, I have to get off the case.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Or maybe there's a conflict of interest in such a way that he's... I can't imagine an attorney being so disturbed by anything that they would get off a case. But, you know, what do you think that is?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But like you said, he's a rich psychopath. Lawyers for money. They'll represent like and let's face it, they're technically they're supposed to. They have to represent you. I mean, they're not supposed to let that get in the way. It's difficult to say.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That's very possible. I did not think about that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

How I Escaped One of the World’s Toughest Prisons | David McMillan

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Day one of the trial was smugglers' helicopter escape plan that was across the tabloids. I couldn't even kill myself in this jail. I actually wanted to escape just to kill myself. I had to develop a bit of a system to get over these internal walls. It had another moat on the inside of the prison that ran around. It was actually a sewer, and that had barbed wire in the middle, and I couldn't

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And the passport officer gave me the passport, stamped it, gave it back to me. Almost as much as to say, look, I know it's a stinker and it's a fake, but it passed the UV test, so I'm in the clear. Go about your business, be it good or bad. And I was out of there. I took a taxi straight out, dumped that in the center of town, took another one. Found a three-star hotel. You don't want five-star.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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The security is a big flash. A lot of big shots in there, nosing around. You don't want to be looked at. You don't want a one-star hotel, some dump where there's connivers and scammers all trying to get a hold of you. Now, a three-star sort of commercial travel is regular, decent. The hotel is just fine. Went there, checked in.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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As I was checking in at the desk, I'm thinking, this thing, passport's got to go soon. McClintock was his name, George McClintock. I thought, George, you and I are going to have to part ways. But anyway, I wasn't really concerned about that that day. It had been a long one.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So I threw my stuff in my room, went down to the hotel shop, bought a pair of swimming trunks, and grabbed a towel and went straight up to the rooftop where they had the swimming pool. Got in, stood on one end, dived in for the most...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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relaxing, peaceful, deep, hugging the ground of the pool swim I've ever had and surfaced on the very other end of the pool, heaved myself up as the relatively fresh chlorinated water of the swimming pool ran from me rather than the stinking sludge of some Bangkok clong, and looked over the railing and

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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wondered well where to next and that really dealt with bangkok you know very strange to be within a space of 24 hours really 16 hours really um in a horrible prison where not likely to survive or certainly be in any shape and stay forever or death, to be a free man with a different identity in a hotel that no one knew about. A strange feeling indeed, but worthwhile. So I enjoyed that before.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, what would you have done next, sir?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. You know, I didn't have a very good sleep that night as a free man because I was thinking, how can they work out who I am, where I am? I mean, you put yourself in the shoes of... Not so much the Thais. They're not really great investigators in that sense. They've got no reason to be. My enemies, the Bill Shankman from the USDA or some bored Australian.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I couldn't imagine the British doing anything. They never make an effort. But how would you figure out who I was? Can you think of any technique that would reveal my name? I'm just pressing another button here.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. Well, this is what's almost certainly happening between them. After all, they're, in this sense, your opposition, your enemy. The one looking through your stuff, he hasn't got the time to go through every object. The one that is looking on, with whom you're having the conversation, you could call him the spotter. Why is that?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Because the one who lifted the lid of your suitcase and then dropped it onto his hand to feel the weight of the lid, to see whether there was something packed in there, he is just the handler. You'll notice he picks up objects one at a time, your toiletry bag, your jumper, a couple of pairs of trainers, and puts them to the side on the empty lid that he's just dropped out.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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he'll pick them up and sort of sniff at them or something like that, but he hasn't got time for anything. What the guy behind who's doing, who's listening to you, babble on about some hotel difficulties you had down in Guadalajara, wherever you come from. He is looking for some changing mood in you, because your eyes, and you should have been warned about this. I certainly would have, Matthew.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I traveled around smuggling, made just about every mistake that's possible, and found myself in Bangkok, Thailand, looking at a death sentence. In fact, only a couple of weeks away from a death sentence. got out of that one, which we'll talk about, I guess. And did I learn anything? I guess I must have. But did it stop me? No.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I would have been, do not look down at your stuff. Very tempting, because you know the teddy bear is groaning with it. Teddy's misshapen, he's got a swollen head, his stubby little fingers are all fat with goods. So when the checker is lifting up teddy bear, give him a little squeeze, that's okay, and puts it to one side. Do you know what the man that you're talking to does?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He notices that your attitude changes. Thank fuck you've said to yourself, Teddy's over on the safe side. It's been dealt with. I'm through. I've made it. Marianne, I mean, she was so worried about this trip and her dad and everything half knew what was happening. But What you might not have seen is a little tap on the shoulder.

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The guy is watching you because instead of babbling on about your hotel and making no sense, suddenly the conversation's changed. Your shoulders have dropped. They're more relaxed. And you're just, yeah, okay, have I missed anything here? You might say, you know, a complete change of attitude. And the tap on the shoulder is the last thing you touch. That's it. And so the whole thing freezes.

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And they say, let's close the case for the moment and go to the back room. And as you know, the back room is not a place you want to go to because there's only one way out of that room, and it's in handcuffs.

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so um this is the kind of um thing that i that i came to learn and a whole bunch of other stuff and my then wife at the time clearly she was the um daughter of an italian restaurateur um she didn't want me um doing all myself but i you know i kind of felt you know this is risky i don't If somebody's going to do it, at least I can only blame myself.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But soon enough, there were probably eight or nine couriers. And I'd worry about them, and I'd travel with them. I didn't want them to ask me what it was they were carrying. I'd say, look, think of the worst thing you can imagine, powdered babies or plutonium. Just forget about what it is. You'll never see it anyway. That's not your function. That was a different kind of thing to do.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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While this was going on, it's not worth saying why, but I'd come to the attention of police in one of the couriers. She dropped off and decided to blab. They hadn't rushed in. They started watching me. It was quite a big operation. And a lawyer told me to get out of Dodge City, to leave, just dump everything. And I did at first.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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When I found that they were out there, and this is now by the late 70s, it was easier to intercept their radio traffic, so I could hear them talking about the cars I was driving. I did get out of town. I took Karelia. We switched identities.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I actually went to Miami because we went on to the Bahamas and hired a boat for the day and went out to, I said to the little skipper, take me to an island where there's just a sandbank really, something where there's no people and never have been.

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I was in Karachi in Pakistan several years later, looking at the death penalty there. Was that an escape? Not in the literal sense that it was in Thailand, but as we'll find, it was in some ways more difficult.

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And I swam out to that island with my towel in a plastic bag and then sat there for a while thinking, all right, quit now, go, or go back and take it on now. At that age, early 20s, speaking for myself, the arrogance is monumental. You think that it's not a matter of whether they've got the right to do it, that you can beat them. So I went back. Even my lawyer did say this. He said, David,

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How long have they been following you around over here? What do you think they've spent? Well, they've got their own offices. They don't trust the local cops they rented. So they spent a lot of money. So at the end of it, if they don't find anything or they run in and they go to your house, your office, they still get nothing.

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You think they're going to call it a day, go back to their boss and say, boss, we just spent $2 million, but it looks like he's quit. No, they'll do something. I dismissed all of that. I thought, look, the Koreans won't talk. Why would they? I always took care of them. That was the thing, to say, if something happens, you've got a choice.

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You can do the time and you get rewarded, or I'll get you the best deal you can possibly get. I'll even give you a cover story so you can look like you're ratting out the big boss. It'll be... We'll make some fictional character for you to talk about. Or plan B, I'll get you out and that's it. I look forward to that, the idea that if such a thing happened, would it be possible to break them out?

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I didn't imagine that this is something I'd be asking for myself given time, but sure enough it was. It became very elaborate to dump the tails behind me, following me around to give them an explanation of where I was. I had a business partner, Michael Sullivan, quite a few years ago, 2001. Now, as you think of this, you know your phone's tapped. What's best to do about that?

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Well, you know you've got a pipeline straight to your opposition. So whenever you feed them down that pipeline, they should accept it. So I recorded a conversation with Michael when I left Eurasia. I said, go to a pay phone, ring my mobile phone, my cell phone, and play this tape over it.

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And he did, and they were absolutely convinced that I was still somewhere roaming around Melbourne, but just laying low. So when they got a call from the USDA that it, that I'd been located in Thailand, they were kind of shocked. But I really jumped ahead in the timeline here because the case where the police were following me about, the big case, we go back to 1980, they did steam in.

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They found nothing. There were no drugs, and they ran a huge case with a conspiracy. Now, the US courts have got conspiracy cases, and I guess you know quite a few things about them. Would you agree that a conspiracy case is much harder to win than the substantive case, a case where if you've been accused that you robbed a bank on this day, That's substantive. And were you there?

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Have you got an alibi? All of that. But a conspiracy that you plan to do this. And you know you're going to get the same sentence.

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Exactly. You were part of the conspiracy.

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Or you supplied some cars. Or you were the lookout even. Lots of stuff. And what's the proof in a conspiracy? Scuttlebutt gossip. Just nonsense from some rat that's turned over on the case and done the best deal. I've got to say that we were always a bit... kind of nervous about doing business in the US.

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It seemed a couple of contacts I had there said, look, people here are very much encouraged to make a deal. If the rest starts to nibble away at the edges, you might find you've got an informer amongst you, and he might have been caught with something else, and that's the deal to get him off. I mean, that's still very common, isn't it?

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Not exactly. Oh, my gosh.

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Exactly. It doesn't matter much what you do with the character assassination of that person. In this big trial I'm talking about, it was already grim because we wouldn't talk. Not Michael, not I, not our wives, not Clelia, not Michael's Colombian wife, Mary. Oh, and all of the couriers wouldn't say a word. No, we don't know. and advised not to talk. They cranked it up.

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They arrested not just the guys, but they arrested the wives. They even arrested my mother at one stage. She got released, of course, the next day or before that. They couldn't get bail for the wives there. They were in the old women's prison in Melbourne. And they put an informer in with him, Daniel. Unfortunately, she was an arsonist. That was her thing, little Daniel.

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And there's a protest in there, set fire to the place. And Michael and I are locked up in there. And now they didn't have televisions, you didn't have portable radios. I think there was a loudspeaker that went through the creaky old cells at night. And you could hear, I think, the last news bulletin around 11 before they shut it off. And the story was about a man

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Matthew, I was looking for... Is it a fictional character?

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a fire at the women's prison and that some had been hospitalized. The last thing I heard before they shut it off was that there had been three fatalities. So after a restful night's sleep, you can imagine it was not, I tore out when they opened up the next morning and went straight over to the desk and spoke to the officer there. I'd been there a few weeks, I sort of knew him.

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I said, all right, so what is it? Was it any of them? Because they knew the girls were in there. And he started shuffling around. Look, we haven't got everything in. And I started to fade off then. You know when you know somebody doesn't want to tell you something because it's not going to be good. No one had talked to Michael or I, either of us. So they...

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What did he do?

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They kind of put us in a holding yard, a little thing where nobody else could go to. Then we got called up for a visit. The visit center was empty. Walked through. The officer was at his little desk in the visit room. Didn't want to look up. Just over that way. Walked around and I could see all of my family there and Clayley's brother. And the girls were dead.

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My wife and Michael's wife, yeah. And the little arsonist as well. The old dormitory that they were in was made of wood. It was covered in iron bars. The prison officer said they couldn't get in there. The flames had got carried away. Now, I kind of zoned out again in a different way, of course, raging and crying and wanting to destroy the world, but by the time my lawyer came in a few days later,

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Um, I didn't want to know about any damn court or trial or who was what, or, and he was saying, be careful, David, you know, the police are putting it around that you, you might've arranged that five, even a killer on the witnesses. So the couriers they've held up, but they're starting to crumble.

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I said, it was lucky I had the kind of lawyer that you need in a situation like this. I just passed him a note with a piece of paper and a couple of numbers. I said, this guy will give you $250,000. Cold.

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my old friend Danny Mac, and tell him that next time we've got a court hearing, I'll tell the police I want to spill, I want to talk, and they'll lead me across the road, the public road from the courtroom to the headquarters. I want the truck to come past and to be thrown these weapons. I was going to go full Apache. That was my feeling at the time. I just didn't care.

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I played, as I saw it, a nice guy for all those years. So, what could best happen then? Michael and I were thrown in the Supermax prison. It was a disgusting, horrible place which was newly built. Completely closed airspace, faulty air conditioning, whining every night. Doors were big, thick steel things that opened pneumatically. Two-inch bullet-resistant glass. And it only held 50.

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But this little supermax complex, about 25 inmates would die a year in the place. And it took two years before the trial came up. They did.

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And the staff were all off their heads. And one of the officers ran into the staff room and shot half a dozen. Of course, he was using blanks, but they didn't know that. Yeah, he went up. So, oh, and Nick gave an excuse to run the trial on a high-security footing because... You know, they were dead around, there were threats made, all of that.

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We were taken to court in, I know it's customary in US appearances to have leg irons and medicals and handcuffs and things, but these were extra heavy ones and we'd be chained up. And a helicopter used to take us in for the hearings, but just to make it interesting. A week before the big drug trial started, oh yeah, that's right, this is the way of these things.

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I managed to get out of that supermax after a year, it was dangerous, got back over to a place

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place in the prison where they made number plates I know it's traditional but they actually made number plates and they used to call the big presses the never get out machines because when the press came down and knocked out the number plate it made a kind of clunker clunker sound like never get out never get out never get out And in a kind of way, I mean, it was therapeutic.

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There were a lot of other people around. Michael and I couldn't think about the misery of losing our wives. Confiscation orders were just coming in. Police had moved into my house, had parties all the time. There were oil paintings. They burnt those in the fireplace, smashed up everything else, shit in the pool. The neighbors complained.

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The regular patrol cops had to come in a couple of times to get their parties down because they were just trashing everything. Then they... So, Michael and I, we've got a couple of escape plans going over in the number plate section, but one that we actually weren't thinking of doing

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flared up we were descended upon within the prison and taken back to the supermax with the guards kicking us all the way over there saying things like what shooting us from the towers uh from the helicopters into the into the towers with machine guns you bastard and michael i think what some I met a guy called Lord Tony Moynihan in the Philippines some years before.

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He was a fraudster from the UK and a lord of the realm of peer, as they say. A couple of swindles went tits up and he ended up living in the Philippines. Did they ever try to get him back? No, it seems not. He liked to think of himself as a kind of stringer for the security services, the British equivalent of the CIA.

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Well, he certainly was a dirty double-crosser, and he'd sent over somebody to pretend to be getting us out by helicopter, but actually hoping just to run off with any money advanced on that. But he not only sent this sucker over here to pretend to be a former

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you know, Greenberry special services guy, he called his federal police friends in Australia at the same time and said, look, this guy's coming over. You can watch him. He'll be in hotels. He'll be doing this. He's going there to get them out by helicopter. Well, he's not really, you know what I mean, but it'll look that way. So I'm back in.

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It was 250,000. If that money had been advanced, then the guy who sent over would take some of it, but his lordship would make sure he got the sizeable chunk of it, had something worked out how it had to go to the Philippines first and all of that. But by ratting everybody out on the scheme, he had fulfilled his rat's contract to keep him safe from extradition and everything with the authorities.

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And there hasn't been an actor that you know of who's played him.

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That's number one. And number two, if he just stole the money and we were intact going to a case that we might win because there were no drugs found or anything, we might not take such a fond view of being swindled at our time of weakness. and might want to have a few words with him, take him fishing or something like that, have a chat.

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The best way to deal with that was make the case very hard to win. The headline in the paper of day one of the trial was, smugglers' helicopter escape plan that was across the tabloids the morning of it. Even the judge pretending that he didn't notice that that was there. And we're being dragged in in chains. And there is helicopters, but it's the police helicopter taking us to court.

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I won't go into it, Matthew. A court case is a boring and miserable thing, but it ran for six months, 119 witnesses. There were 6,000 pages of transcript of bugs and recordings and stuff like that. The couriers had all turned to a state's witness. One of them was very hard to break down because he admitted he was a complete scumbag and had done the deal just to get out of trouble.

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And he'd also told the cops, look, I'm under threat here. You'll have to guard me until the trial's over. And he continued his street trading with this police escort. A couple of people got back to me and said, you know that rat Peter Howard? He's down there on the street dealing away like mad, setting up shop in one of the cafes. And we keep spotting these cops looking after him.

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I see what you're saying. So the nature of the character in the Jack Higgins book, he would have benefited from my voice.

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People are running away. And Peter's saying, oh, don't worry about them. Ha! Ha! No, no, no. They're here to make sure that I can do what I damn well want. And when somebody's indemnified, anything they say can never be held against them. So Peter not only said that he built smuggling devices for me,

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and he knew all about it, but he also admitted to five or six different counts of theft and a couple of drug deals that were hanging over his head. So he could never be brought to trial for any of those things because he'd said this while he was under complete immunity from prosecution. And no matter how The worse we made him look, the more credible his story was. Anyway, the jury went out.

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They were a little bit on our side because they felt like the state had overdone it in our case. It was serious drugs, but on the other hand, it wasn't huge amounts, you know, two, three, five kilos. And we were drug users ourselves at the time. And I was somewhat sympathetic. So they came back after a day and said to the judge, we can't decide.

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Well, he's not about to blow $5 million worth of trial on that. So he sent them back out. And they stayed out. The only thing they asked for was, oh, yeah, they got $60,000 cash out of my office. They wanted to have a play with that. Oh yeah, there were some drugs in the case.

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The police, because they were not, went all the way to Thailand, brought back two kilos of heroin, set it up on a little stand in the court as an example of what heroin, when brought from over that part of the world, looks like. There was a whole operation to stage this little platform of the steaming pile of heroin

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Of course, I had my lawyer always really probe deeply on the mechanics of how they brought this stuff in and what the license looked like and who was involved. But the judge, he was on to me about that. The same with the recording things I was asking about where was the recording center for tap phones and what? Equipment did they use and you know how many people man the station?

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What was its location? He knew that I was just fishing around to try and get information for later So the jury were out for Five six six days and then they came back Do they have a verdict? Not at all. They don't want to work Sundays. They want to go on a picnic. And they even had a list of all the food they wanted on the picnic.

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So a bus was organized for them, and they went off on their Sunday picnic. And the judge is gritting his teeth through all of this, but he knows he's got to go along with it because it kind of upsets the jury. They'd even asked for that two kilos of heroin, and they're allowed to examine any physical bit of exhibit.

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And the judge kind of very delicately said, well, it was there, but we had to take it away because they complained about it being in court. But what is it you want? You're entitled to, but it is two kilos of heroin. I must have been one of my own kind on the jury, I think. Anyway, who knows what I was going to do. I had heard that there might have been a friend on that jury.

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I finally came back and read out the verdicts. Not guilty, not guilty, not guilty, but just one count out of the 12 I went down on. That was enough for the judge. He gave me effectively 15 years for that. Back to high security, I went. It took me a while to pick myself up from that, from the supermax. You know what these cells look like. It's all concrete. The bed's concrete. The sink is steel.

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That's right. I think the IRA were much respected for their assassinations. I figured an Irishman would have some issues with my accent, but... I've had to from time to time adopt accents because of the passport I was traveling in. Being a smuggler I knew quite early on. I'd already blackened my name before I was 20, so I got myself a fresh passport under a name.

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The air is dry and stale. The screws are half all mad. I'm in this jumpsuit, and when you go on a visit, it's had a little padlock up the top so you couldn't unzip it and hide anything in there. Nothing. All of my previous life had been taken and gone.

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figure a way of getting my ladder over to the other side. But when I got out of that cell, when I squeezed through the bar into the night and looked up at the sky that I hadn't seen for almost two and a half years, I'd never seen the night sky, never seen stars or anything, and then looked back into the cell, but the people I knew in there I thought suddenly it was all finished. It was all gone.

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everything, every stitch of clothing, every object, every photograph, every letter, nothing, all trashed by the police, all confiscated, my wife dead, gone. The only thing I had was some old cassette tapes from the the bag that was planted in the house, and I could hear my wife, Clelia, walking around the house with our dog. And a phone call had come in. It was her sister.

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And she said, Clelia, are you all right? You sound upset. You've been crying. Oh, a little. Oh, yeah. And this was back when I was still up to mischief and we were still okay. There was nothing wrong that I knew of. And her sister said, is it David? Has he done something? No, no, no, nothing. Nothing to do with it. And the conversation ended.

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But it stayed with me, I can tell you, for 45 years because I'll never know the answer to that. Never. Never. Anyway, so I'd been released, and they were right on me. I mean, they even came to visit me before I got released and said, we'll be on your case. And sure enough, they were. So I decided to leave Australia. Good. Forget about Australia.

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Yeah, I served about 11 years for the great helicopter escape that was a load of bullshit. I got an extra year for that. The way it works under English law, and that includes Canada, Australia, you do about two-thirds of a sentence, then you're released on parole.

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It came to 11 years.

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Yeah, yeah. But I worked my way to increasingly more relaxed conditions. In fact, the last part of it was... in an open prison. It was an old country farmhouse. It had been used for a prisoner of war camp in 1980 or 16. And we used to find old tunnels down underneath the main residence there. And I had a job in the cafe that served visitors and the staff.

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I'd worked in a couple of other places satisfactorily in the prison system. So the prison superintendent, warden, chief warden, governor, as they called them there, he took me down to this little cafe and handed me the keys. And he said, listen,

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heard about you david you're all right but this place has got to make a profit and i think you know what that means so one thing only rule don't let these bastards at these keys and make sure you lock the till at night and put the cash away and i wouldn't even keep it in this building so that was quite a bit and i did have to clarify i said well i'm not gonna let

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My fellow prisoners run around in here. It's really the staff canteen anyway. I'm not talking about them. Oh, fuck the prisoners. No, I'm talking about my staff. Don't let any of the prison officers order you to give them the keys. Tell them to come and see me or tell them to fuck off or whatever you want to do, but don't let them.

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So this was kind of unusual, and I'd go into town, the local small town, and do shopping twice a week and take a car and a driver. And the officers would line up for that one because they knew it was me. They could dart off somewhere and go and have a drink or I think, what's her name? What was her name?

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Anyway, she was a kind of plump married woman who, with her husband, worked at the prison, and she'd go off and have her hair done. This is when I was in town supposedly shopping. But the shopping, I should tell you, was actually a list of the things that my fellow prisoners wanted, the specialties, the

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the Kalamata olives or the hummus or whatever it might be, all the goods I needed for my little cafe, the head cook for the prison, he would steal those for me. In fact, I cut through the paperwork on that one by getting a copy of the key to the storerooms. So I was making a profit, the prison was making a profit, and the only problems I ever got was if I lost

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some of the staff and my trips into town. I had the prison boss on the radio saying, where is she? I said, look, you know where she is. But she's getting her hair done again. You go and get her and bring her back. You've been out three hours. This is long enough. Tell her I won't let her go out again. So it was quite upside down world there. And I'd done all sort of prison-y kind of things.

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I made a lot of stuff out of woodwork and carvings, little Chinese boxes and things. I packed all that stuff up when I was finally released, sent it to my friend's place. But it was on from the very beginning. The police were waiting. all my little outworks and carvings, they intercepted that on the courier van that took it back home and smashed it all up.

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And the way to do it in those days, children, was to go and look up the birth and death records and look for somebody who died in infancy so they couldn't possibly have traveled and get a copy of that birth certificate and then fluff up everything around it. And there you are. It's not quite so easy these days, but... I suppose I would have had about 25 different passports.

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So the courier brought a whole lot of broken wood. I said, well, that didn't make it, did it? A bumpy ride coming over here, was it? I don't know. Look, I can't say. I was told not to say anything. So these were really going to annoy me, these people.

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I mean, I got a small apartment, and they'd break in there and rearrange the furniture and sort of gaslight me or leave obscene messages on my answering service. I ended up with a girlfriend, and they pulled her aside and said, look, don't have anything to do with him. He'll die. be having a working as a courier in a minute. Enough was enough.

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I decided to leave the country and that's when I was heading for Europe. I had multiple passports again and they were not easy to get when I'm being followed night and day. I even had to

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kind of make a clumsy one that they'd get onto so the real one they wouldn't find it was I mean what's it like in the US what's the kind of little history of getting false passports was it easy once not so easy now I mean you know my understanding is that at one point the

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Sorry, did they have a social security number, the homeless?

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So I would arrive back in my destination country or in any country and have to have a quick look while I was standing in line at the immigration desk to say, all right, James Smith, born on such and such. No trick questions, what's the birth sign associated with that birthday? Little things like that. And pretty much forget them after that.

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And look, Matthew, what you're showing there is... the reverse of the thing we've all come across in the underground world, and that is that so many crooks are just simply lazy, and they don't want to do the work. I've been asked by time to time, people say, oh, well, who's your guy that gets the passport, or who's the guy that makes your equipment for what you've got to do? That guy is me.

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And if you think you're coming in on some job where it's easy money, no, no, no. Go back and fantasize and watch movies or whatever the fuck it is you do. But in the real world, if you want any kind of safety, you have to work from the ground up. And clearly, that was the way. And you found that people are not willing to make that effort.

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And as you say, not particularly in control. Sometimes I used to think that so many people I'd meet in prison were actually in a quiet way, kind of glad to have their lives controlled in that way. They grumbled about it and bitched and all. But outside, they look like completely, you know, the string had been undone on the balloon and they just run around like, you know, banging off the walls.

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Well, if we broke down a prison population, we would find a bunch of borderline nutcases that don't quite qualify for the nut house itself because they're actually able to wipe their ass and feed themselves. So that's enough. You can go to prison, you know.

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Yes. Giving the vast majority of people who can handle their intoxicants perfectly well and know when to draw the line, giving us all a bad name by just... overindulging, stealing money from their friends, mostly too lazy to even go out robbing places in a systematic way, just from whoever trusts them.

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And then have the gall to go into a courtroom and say to the judge, well, it wasn't me, it was a dirty, rotten drug dealer who's got me in all this trouble. It's pretty grim. So the prison population is I don't know, in the good old days, you could find 10% of people who were serious.

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And you'd know who they were because they wouldn't be in a rush to say hello and they had their own little worlds organized and how their cell was rigged up and, you know, they got, made the best of what you could out of a prison system. But it's barely even that now. You know, years ago I used to say to a young person, look, if you want to get ahead in the world, get yourself, go to Amsterdam,

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break a window, something that get you into prison for a few weeks, actually there's something fairly decent over there, but you'll fill up your little contact book with great names, huge names, everybody you want. But now I'd be tempted to say, look, the bad thing about it Prisons aren't what they used to be. They're really just nut houses or places for wife beaters and snitches.

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But it was just to give your viewers an outline of what the smuggling operations fundamentally were. What is it? It's crossing a border and not letting the people who don't want you to cross with some illicit goods, as they see it, from finding out. So how do they know or feel? You might be dodgy character. Where have you come from? How long were you there? Are you traveling alone?

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Oh, and incompetence. You just find the whole place annoying and wish you were somewhere else. There's not one virtue left even in it.

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It is. Like early America, all the street names and the town names are British. When it became quasi-independent, it still has the Crown as a head of state and likes it that way. But each state had its own Supreme Court and legislature, a two-chamber one. And federally, they have a Senate and a House of Representatives. So it's very similar to the U.S.

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If it wasn't for, I think the similarities between Australia and the U.S. are very, very strong, except that the U.S. is more mature in the sense it's older. So you've got quite big state difference. If you go down south, people are quite different than there. Even East Coast, West Coast, there's a sort of a different outlook.

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Somebody said to me years ago in the protest movement, there was a, Abbie Hoffman was going to surround the Pentagon, and all the hippies were going to hold hands and levitate the Pentagon into the air. Now, the East Coast people thought that'll be a great media moment, it'll look good, they can stage this and that, you know, It'll move the course ahead.

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Whereas the West Coast Californians hippies thought, yeah, the Pentagon's really going to get into the air with all this positive energy going on there. So quite a lot flakier they did. And I suppose if we have some time in the future, we could probably compare what the style and the manner of different places is like in the US.

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In the early days, it used to be a thing to go to a country or a place you didn't know and then score. It didn't really matter what you scored, but the important thing was you had no contacts and you had to go out there and do it. And it was quite a good thing. You got to know, you know, the underbelly of a town quite quickly.

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And I certainly found Los Angeles a lot more weird than New York, which was very businesslike in its own messed up way.

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Yeah, the real dregs of the criminal world.

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What's your business?" I grew up in Australia for, I suppose, about 15 years. My accent is actually a very old-fashioned Australian accent that you don't hear anymore, but it's somewhat English, of course.

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I got the impression that doing time in the federal system was much more rigid and in some ways harder to work in any angles on it, you know, get to better conditions and things.

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I mean, that's, I suppose. I would have thought, as an outsider, that looking at the... Because it's federal, they could have been a bit more sensible about it because they have fewer people to answer to and they haven't got the complexities of state systems of local mayors and... counselors, all the little things that get in the way.

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I would have thought that a federal one, they could have said, look, it doesn't make sense to lock up people forever. And we need to advance people through to a working outside open prison system as quickly as they can manage.

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Right. It's It is really... hard to change that when the politics of it. I spent a little time in a Danish prison. The law there, when they set up the prison's department and the sort of justice system, they made it so it was utterly independent from politics. That would be the only way to do it. And their own kind of constitution within that system.

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No, I was born in London. I've still got some 8mm Kodachrome from 1958 of little David learning to walk in Hyde Park. And nothing's working. I keep collapsing, even though I'm wearing a highly fashionable little trench coat. My father produced what was a very large banknote at the time and worth a lot more than it sounds, five pounds in those days.

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So it doesn't matter what the politician comes and says. Politician doesn't have to sign off on anything. There's no governor to sign off on anything. The prison service decided. And they, also part of their charter is that they are obliged to send you out better than you came in. And if they fail in that, they then have to provide, they write you off.

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If you've served more than six years, they expect that you've probably, this is served more than six years in a closed prison, you're probably not going to very well adapt to the real world again. So 90% of inmates, if sentenced to anything, are in open prisons. And they can serve their time at weekends. If they've got a job, they don't want them to lose their job.

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And the sentences are generally a lot less and even in the closed prisons Sections have no more than 25 inmates and they have big kitchens and you're paid enough to go to the local Supermarket within the prison you have to do your own shopping you have to work you have to be as normal as possible You know things are not handed out like toilet paper and razor blades even you know and and people

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generally don't come back unless they're in a particular kind of group of people that have decided to be criminals there. And just by the way, in that country, it's two motorcycle gangs, Holes Angels and the Banditos. And they are the most serious criminals you get as an organized form there.

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I'm not too sure whether they ride too many bikes anymore, but they certainly get up to a bit of mischief here and there. And it's... And yet in the UK, to suddenly impose an open prison estate, you could say, on the prison service here, it would be a disaster. People are so asking them against, you know, fuck the world and... society owes me everything, I'm going to destroy it.

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They really, and I think that's partly population. When you've got, you know, we have these big countries with big populations, whereas the Scandinavian ones have little populations, and there's more of a sense of community there, so they don't feel like they want to destroy everything. So very hard to bring it in. I mean, can you imagine if you tried to have, you said to, I don't know,

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Even 75% of inmates, oh, listen, you're all going off to an open prison, and those of you who are not violent, you'll actually be reporting weekends. That'll be fine, but for most inmates who are used to closed conditions, and they went to their new prison, which was like some kind of a motel, they just run off and get drunk.

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I at least learned that much that you can't fight and win. So that was it. I got a couple of good passports. Very elaborately, you know, having to hide all the mechanisms for that from them and to say, got away clean. And I stopped in Bangkok to pick up some money because it had been years I'd lost everything. I had a Thai business partner there who had some money for me.

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But I also made a phone call to... a guy I knew from Chiang Mai, he was Thai, but he was very careless. But I didn't know at the time that his uncle was huge. You know, they talk about the Golden Triangle, it had like three main groups and all of that. Well, they said four, and this uncle was in one of them. His was the white horse brand on the stamps from the laboratories.

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I knew nothing about that, or worse, that... This uncle had arranged for the wife of a DEA agent who was stationed in Chiang Mai at the office there. Now, in the office up there, they tell the agents not to go out like James Bond and sort of do shit and visit places and things, but this guy insisted on going to see the opium farmers and nosing about. Well, the uncle wanted to teach him a lesson,

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It was something like half the annual salary of a stevedore. And he was waving this in front of me. And I just know by instinct, even at two years old, that this is something worth grabbing for. And I'm standing up, and I finally get my little pudgy paw on the thing, and I sit down again.

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by picking up the wife on the school round and letting her go, of course, but just to say, look, your job's behind a desk. You don't run around annoying my farmers. That went bad and the kidnapper's car broke down at an intersection and a policeman came along and

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The policeman got shot, one of the kidnappers was shot, and he left one kidnapper remaining with... He let the kids go, of course, and the nanny, and just kept the wife, and he had a pistol at her head saying, call this, do something. There was some big monk kind of priest guy that was going to swap positions with him and get the wife out. But it went on for hours, and...

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What he'd done to keep himself alive was take some wire from under the broken down car, where the dashboard was, and tie it around the trigger of the pistol and keep his thumb on the hammer so that if he got shot, his grip would release and she'd die. So that was keeping him alive. If he hadn't of done that, he would have been dead a long time ago.

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But this uncle, the big man, had arranged for everything to go well, for the wife to be released, for nothing to be found out, and to dispose of the gunman. But nobody had accounted for, ah, small things make a big difference, don't they, Matthew? In this case, it was a sweaty thumb on a steaming hot day. And his thumb slipped, hammer went off, bang, killed the wife.

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And the instructions that everybody had handed down after that, instructions from the Americans was, we want this guy alive. We know what's behind all this. We want him to tell us about the uncle. And the instructions for the Thai commanders from the uncle, which was, if it goes bad, kill him. It did go bad. He was killed.

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But the point to this is that this whole background to this guy, I knew nothing about. If I'd had any inkling, that the uncle was so deeply involved, that the DEA were a sworn enemy, that anything to do with that family would be of interest to them. So his phone was tapped. When I spoke to him, that was recorded. They knew I was in Thailand.

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When I say they, I mean the British and Australians didn't really care so much, but the DEA did as well. And they decided to arrest me there on anything. It doesn't matter in Thailand. You can arrest somebody. It doesn't matter whether there's drugs involved or not. I went to the airport to get out. I could see they were all sniffing about.

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And you could say that for the rest of the 60 years that followed, I've been repeating those steps, reaching out and grabbing for it. But I left there. The parents broke up. I went to Australia. I did... I worked for a television channel doing a kids' news program when I was 12. I really enjoyed that, though it was not, back in the 60s, That was frowned upon at the high school.

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So I melted into the crowd, disappeared downstairs near an airport to get away. You don't take the taxi from the taxi rank, you try and get a car from the middle of the ones waiting outside the airport so they can beat their way through the traffic.

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I did that, took these little motorcycle taxis once I was back in town, went and had a drink in a hotel bar, went to a shopping center, lots of things to get rid of them. But they were tapping phones, including one to a travel agency whose office I was going to use to make some calls. In short, I arrived there. I was pounced upon, arrested. I had two passports, about US$35,000 on me.

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was a bit of a conference i believe and it was decided uh i should be arrested with some kind of drugs they every afternoon at the airport they do a bit of a sweep up around the floor especially before security because people dump all their bits when they get cold feet about going on with it uh so some stuff was sorted out from there and it only takes 25 grams of um

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say cocaine or heroin or something at an upper level, even ecstasy, to have the death penalty there. So after a week, when it looked like I could get out of the passport and money charge, I thought I was very depressing. I realized I never would, and they were charging me with a death penalty offense.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, no, no. They said that we found it at the airport, and... It must have been his. What other criminals could have possibly been at the airport that day? None. I didn't see any criminals.

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This was heroin after a bit of decision-making. Because the first bag looked like cigarette butts and a bit of weed and a few pills of God knows what kind. But the heroin is very reliable to get the death penalty. So that was about 35 grams or something like that, an ounce or so.

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Oh, it does take a while because you only appear in court every six to eight weeks and you're only there for one witness or an hour or something like that, if anybody shows up on any side. You're taken there in leg iron. I mean, really massive elephant chains. They clap the C-ring around your ankle. Some guy hammers it on there.

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And you get a shoelace or something to lift up those chains so you don't rattle too much. But I should point out that I'm now in my late 30s. Since I was 18, I'd been battling them. I'd lost everything and then gone through this prison sentence. I got out and they're chasing me around. I get to Thailand and they fuck me over. I couldn't even kill myself in this jail. It was huge.

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It was disgusting. The dormitories were built for 64 and they had 140, 150 people. You could rent a piece of cardboard to sleep on the floor and the corridor. The toilet was, if you were lucky, it was in one of the, the cages, and so there was a hole in the ground down the end, but the corridor, people had a huge 44-gallon drum with a plank over the top of it, and that was their toilet.

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There just seemed no way out, and I thought, if I'm that unlucky, It's a long story. I won't really detail it here. I've written about it before. But the odds seem so against me that what was the point of going on? So I actually wanted to escape just to kill myself. It sounds bad.

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I even had the hotel in mind from which I was going to jump, the Dusitane, because when you get up there, there's a little hatch that you can climb out onto. There was an old guy. When we go to court in the morning, you have these chains put on. And in this huge prison, Klang Prem, sometimes called the Bangkok Hilton, but that applies to other places.

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had a lot of people going to court every day, and they'd be lined up. There was an old man just waiting, looking depressed on the side of the internal road inside this prison, and a soundtrack was coming down, doing some repairs or something, a building thing.

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As it approached, he had the presence of mind, you could say, the determination to shove his head between the rotating tires as the truck passed. The two big fat tires at the back rolled over his head and it made a weird poppy sort of sound and it twisted his neck into a scrunched up bit of cloth or something it looked like. And the guys were very annoyed at that.

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They had their trustees and they had a very big trusty network in this prison. And they were ordered to take that thing away. And they were looking at us, the foreigners, saying, Don't worry about it. It's Thailand. It's different here. But I thought to myself, I have to applaud the courage of this old guy to just end it and end it now. But there was no... I tried to do it in the police station.

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You beat up the kid that had the temerity to be on television, which was a kind of fade, poncy kind of thing to do. So I carried a large knife under my jacket at school. I don't know what I would have done with it, but it looked pretty damn impressive. I even fell in love with one of my co-presenters, Leslie Billings. I wonder what ever happened to her.

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This was a miserable enough time. It was just three days before Christmas. And as best I could tell, if my Murray... most intense, thoughtful efforts couldn't keep me safe, then it's just going to be torment forever, so I might as well try and end it. I tried to get a whole lot of sleeping pills, But that actually doesn't work terribly well.

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The guy next to me, Swiss Freddy, he took over 100, over 100 Rohypnol, which is a pretty strong thing, isn't it? And he was, he wasn't dead, he was still breathing, but he didn't move for near on three days. We'd poke him every so often. And we're just lying on mats in an underground cell where this would be. tiny little cell barred window up the top.

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All that did was let in the grit and traffic fumes and the oil from the passing traffic outside. And there were some Chinese guys in there, six of them, busted on a big drug case, and they were deciding who'd take the fall. The young ones, of course. They even brought me a Christmas cake. They had it arranged. And my Thai friend in that jail said, What was my name in there?

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I think I used Mike for my friends in that place. But anyway, he said, Mike, this is the best time. Whatever you can do in the police station, this is where you win, if you win. You go to jail, it's finished. I tried, but being a foreigner, they wouldn't touch money, they wouldn't touch anything. No, I was kind of gone. And the cases there, you can't win.

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I know of a friend there, he'd go to court on, there were some Canadians involved in a smuggling case, and he was accused of being the translator for them because he spoke Thai. Evidence against him, well, there weren't any even Canadians.

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It was just some investigation that had gone bad and nobody had been arrested, but the case had been lodged by the Canadian equivalent of the DIA, so they wanted something done. A photocopy of a grainy black and white picture of a group of people sitting at an outdoor table of a cafe somewhere included, you could just about make it out, John's face sitting there. And the way the court works is...

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whatever the evidence of the day is, is read into a cassette recorder by the judge, and that's typed up, and that's the case. And the judge got this old picture and said, oh yes, evidence against the accused. It actually doesn't translate as accused there. It translates as sinner. Evidence against the sinner, a photograph showing him translating for the drug gang. He got 50 years.

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There are a few cases some people have won, but only when there's a bunch of them and they let a few go just to make it look like they're giving it some consideration as long as nobody's interested in it. So there's no winning the case. But the jail was so awful. And, you know, my friends were kind of burnt out. You can imagine this has gone on for years.

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And I took the jail and then we followed again. And now I'm facing a death penalty. They just didn't know whether they could go on with it. Well, Matthew, after... After I survived, I had no choice, there was no way. The wife of my little friend that I'd met in the police lockup, she was bringing him things in like food and so on.

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But there was an age difference, and when you're 12 and the girl is 17, you know, Matthew, there's got to be difficulties. By the time the family fortunes had declined somewhat by the time I was in my teenage years, and I... actively sort out where I could make my fortunes.

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They're pretty good, the police, they just let you have what you want. Medicines, things of comfort. And I did ask her for a whole lot of sleeping pills and she, She was an older woman compared to the young guy who was in his early 30s. And his wife was crowding somewhere in their mid-40s.

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So I'm experienced enough to know when somebody looks miserable and says, get me a fistful of the strongest sleeping pill you can find. It's not just for a good night's sleep. It's for the eternal night's sleep. And so she kind of declined on that. But a few things saved me a bit. Just to give an idea of the flavor of what happened. Foreigners are arrested in foreign countries.

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To them, usually somebody from the consulate services from the embassy will turn up. Well, I was in no hurry to see the British or Australians because I'd actually seen them as I was being arrested. Some liaison police officers were there in the police station. So they'd been there before I got there. So this was well planned.

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And a guy I recognized from the DEA, Bill, we were speaking before about this big trial. He'd actually turned up at the trial to give evidence from what the DEA knew about things in Thailand. And he was there. In fact, he would stay with me for years to come after that. They didn't contact me, but an Australian liaison officer came out. It was very goading.

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He visited the prison and said, look, you're finished. If they don't kill you here, you'll be doing at least 20 years after you appeal it down to a life sentence. we'll request you extradition back to Australia and we'll hit you for something rather than what's left of you anyway.

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So he was cheery enough and I said, well, I'm starting to recover a bit, you know, necessarily always turn out like you want in life. No, he'd have none of it. So in a way I was starting to get the feeling, oh, there's something worth staying alive for, even just to make him eat his words, I guess.

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But when my friend had said that the time in the police station is the best you get, I could understand that when I went out to the court and there were hundreds of people just swinging around because the toilets had backed up again and the holding cells were underground. Cacophonous noise. You have to shout just to talk to the guy next to you. Clanking chains and little industries around.

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food being passed through the bars in tied-up plastic bags, and bags of warm rice, and bags of God knows what kind of food. And I noticed the people in the court who were wearing kind of prison uniforms and shorts and a t-shirt in an off-brown color, they were all chained up. They had these heavy chains on around their ankles.

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And I saw one guy dressed a little better, but still with the heaviest chains I've ever seen for an elephant. And he had a garter clip around his calves and his legs, and they were holding up this heavy chain, and they were all polished. And chillingly, I saw that where the C-ring was just pushed together with most people, it was somehow welded together.

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Now, people have to really cast their minds back to the late 60s and early 70s, and I don't suppose there's too many people alive who can do so, but the view was that we would change the world. Was it revolutionary times Perhaps in the mind, not in reality. People think of hippies and protests and anti-Vietnam War era marches.

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around his ankle, and you couldn't help but think, how did that happen? How did he do that? And I could see he was Chinese in origin, so we got talking. He pointed out to me that when I go to the jail, if it's a drug case that can result in life or death, you'll be wearing chains from now on until the end of your sentence. And why was he wearing them welded together?

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Because he was coming from death row and he had been already sentenced to death and was trying to appeal it down. But when you're convicted of that, they put some kind of cloth in a wooden curved bit of wood between your leg and your ankle and the chain, or the link, I should say. And then they weld it together, because it's never coming off. And I would find out later on how it would come off.

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from there that the court proceedings seem to take seconds you're just reminded a big iron bus drags you out from the courtroom guards with machine guns everywhere looking bored and sweaty and wanting to kill just for the hell of it um it's quite a certainly a violent town um there's a magazine there that is kind of

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police gossip magazine called 9-11 and it's got all the grisly pictures of the latest shootouts and explosions and stuff like that, or even car accidents. So they're used to a fair bit of bloodshed too. You really don't, even though in the back of my mind I'm thinking, how can I get away? Is there any way to get out of this?

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go to the jail, it drives, it goes to a huge complex, all I can see is walls stretching this way, walls that way, huge walls, probably, I don't know, They said the whole nine yards. I think the height of these things must have been about 12 yards high, certainly much higher than it was. And it had barbed wire at the top that was tied to insulators. So that means it was electrified.

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The bus drove over a moat so that it was, I don't know how far this moat went across, probably about 25 feet. It seemed to stretch in every direction to the corners and then turn. The bus bumped over some more walls and more doors and we're all herded off. And yet, when we finally went off the bus and sitting in a little street, it seemed relatively quiet.

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even though it was only about 4 o'clock, 4.15 in the afternoon, and that's because the prison day had ended. I mean, as we know, even in the West, a prisoner's life revolves around a single shift of the guards. There are some people who are out late doing various jobs or some activity, but generally speaking, The day ends early, doesn't it? And it's no different anywhere around the world.

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All of us are pushed off, told to get naked, squat on the floor, put our clothes in front of us, and wait for the searches and inspections. I mentioned before that the trustee system works in extraordinary ways there. The guards are outnumbered by prisoners probably at least 500 to 1.

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They walk around with a long stick for demonstration purposes and the occasional angry swat at one or two, but it's the trustees who do the work. grunt work and grit work and the punishments. A trustee will have a little uniform. Still, all prisoners wear shorts. No long pants are allowed on prisoners in a tight jail.

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That didn't matter anymore. My survival out here was what mattered.

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But they've got pilot's wings and insignia and lanyards and epaulets and little decorations on it and a little holster for a truncheon. And that's the trustees. And they can beat on prisoners as they see fit. And their master is their particular prison officer who might be in charge of something.

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And the guy in charge of the reception of new prisons that day was known as The Skull because of his bald head. And I give in English anything he might say because I got this translated for me. So he dealt with all the people.

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But in general society, protesting against the Vietnam War was considered virtually being a traitor. The long hairs were just dirty scum. Nonetheless, we thought we'd be the inheritors of Vietnam.

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I mean, these are boys who are coming back into prison nearly new, and they'd be sent over to the barber who was standing there with a pair of electric clippers and some scissors. Bald head, bald head, bald head. Oh, nicked a bit, a bit of bloodshed. Never mind, patched that up. Next. I got out of that one, as I said to a couple of fellow Westerners, religious grounds, no cutting of hair.

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All right, we're on to that. And I could see, and I'd been warned by the Chinese guy back at the court, that if my case was a death sentence case, I'd have chains on all the time. So I shredded my court papers and wrote 15.2G on the back of my lawyer's card. I played the dumb foreigner when they said, oh, you've got a paper. I don't know. What's your case? Drugs. Oh, death, death, death.

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More white trash. Yeah, more white trash coming to the prison. And it was the beginning of being on the bad end of, you know, they say the privileged white man. Well, you certainly get a lesson in what it's not to be, and you're at the reverse of it all. So that's how they viewed any European that came in. There must be just white trash and beggars and scum floating around the world.

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Well, they wouldn't be here. They'd be protected. They'd be rich. Poor people are pretty much the ones who came to jail. So the skull is sitting in his throne that his trustees have put together. People are coming back bald-headed. They're being sent over behind the modesty of a single towel held over a piece of string while some guy does an anal search wearing rubber gloves.

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No, no, no, that's for sissies. He had a pair of... knitted wool mittens that were pink in color well had been but not just one of the fingers but the forefinger and index finger were brown stained so I I just wasn't going to play along with that one. Religious reasons, yes. Embassy, you don't want to get the embassy involved. You'll get embarrassed.

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Now, I mean, they swallowed that about the embassy, but the embassies would be kind of useless. Managed to get out of that one. But when they kept pressing about my case, I gave them this lawyer's card. Lawyer take the papers. I had no help, no help. And they looked, and they looked amongst each other. Oh, yes, yes, yes, 15 grams. Okay, no, you go sit there.

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the world when we grew up so as far as drug law was concerned look it's it's your mind your bodies should be entitled to do what you want or was that just an excuse to get in there and make some dirty money hard to say when you're that age but i can't you do both Well, we tried to. Look, we didn't charge an awful lot extra.

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Now, all the, really the other, Kevin from Hawaii was with me by then. He came in, and he stupidly admitted to his case being about one kilo that had been hidden in a hotel room ceiling. And so he went over to the other bench where they put on these, they were waiting to have these heavy chains put on, and he stayed in them.

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People learnt fairly quickly some tricks about living in a pair of chains that don't come off. You make sure you wear light underwear, or if it's boxer shorts, then the thinnest pair you can get, because you're going to have to thread them down one leg, poke them through this thing,

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through the gap in the ankle C-ring, flip them over your toes, back up again and down on the other foot, and that way you can get them off to wash. Oh, and all washing is over by a tank in the open ground there. And the only thing they give you by way of equipment for your new prison life is a plastic bowl.

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And that is your food bowl and washing scoop for the big tank where you take a bird bath, as they used to call it, scooping up and splashing yourself. The skull squatted a couple of people. He took a thousand baht off me that I'd had an envelope and said, if you were Thai, I would have battered you all over the place by now for hiding that.

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And Thai kids had their shampoos squeezed out over newspapers, their soap bars cut in half, all their long trousers that they arrived from the jail cell with, they were all sheared off with a massive and rusting pair of scissors. And then we were good to go, and fish head soup was served that night, but nobody felt like eating it.

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Squashed into another huge dormitory in which there's no way you can think of all these people fitting in. But there's a room leader, and he's over in the corner. He's a different kind of trustee. He's wearing white shorts and trainers and whatnot, and he delivers his welcome speech. which my Thai friend translated for me. Amongst his lines were, well, hello boys, here we are.

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For those of you who haven't been there before, and I've seen that quite a few of you have been here before, you won't be in this cell forever, but while you're here, see that toilet? That's for me to use, not for you to use. If you're desperate for a pee, ask one of my boys and they might give you permission to go and have a pee. But don't rattle your chains. I don't want to hear it.

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I'm a light sleeper and I'm an angry man when I wake up from a light sleep. And as for doing number twos, forget about it. That does not happen. So he spent about like half an hour terrorizing everybody over that. And then sleeping head to toe, literally like sardines in there until, thank God, the morning came at some point and got out to try and make life better.

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But it didn't get much better in that section. It was the drug romance section where they... In the greater prison, you'd be allowed to carry cash around with you, but they didn't like it in the drug prison because they were accused of letting rampant trade go on in drugs. So they had a substitute currency. It was little sachets of headache remedy, Tamchai aspirin.

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A very good testament to how to run an economy. Argentina could learn a thing or two of that, and certainly Venezuela. They used to buy boxes of these sachets, and each one would be worth about, and you could buy a packet of Cronkite, the local cigarettes, for 30 of them, or buy any other service that you might want.

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When we got tie sticks, they're kind of a marijuana stick, and we had a little grocery store, and we could buy tomatoes, which were a bit shriveled-looking, or under the counter, you could get wads of these tie sticks. And we only put, I think, about 25 cents on the stick, so it wasn't – you know, there was some effort to be a little bit noble amongst the shabbiness.

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So it was quite hard in that section, but you have to be patient when trying to bribe your way through these things. People always imagine those countries as a haven for bribery, and I guess things are easier, but they don't really see it as bribery. They don't see themselves as corrupt. They see that they're helping out the odd prisoner or two, the lucky ones.

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They very much base that on whether luck's good. I had to get to somewhere which would be better. And it took quite a bit of doing, but the prospect for escape didn't look too good. Never heard of it. Never anybody spoke of it. But even during my time in this section, they had like three or four higher buildings stacked up.

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dormitories, and underneath it was some benches where people spent during the day. Opened up in the morning, all lined up, squatting on the ground, singing the national anthem, and then all the food systems kick into play. Somebody would organize a shopper to go out and buy things. You could not eat what they called government food. It was just a soup and a few

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Oh, you were lucky if you got the fish head. I think they'd fight over that. Moldy cucumber. Oh, and you had to pray over it as well. So I organized myself with the Chinese cooks and their works, and they got their guests arranged. There was lots to do in that sense, but then again, nothing to do as well. Now, as much as I still wanted to bring about my end,

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There was an attempt from one of the dormitories, and I really don't know how the street gang managed to keep control of the dormitory to stop people squealing or had the trustee under control or threatened them with death or whatever they did, but they managed to cut through the mesh of the edge of the dormitory, which you could say it was like a window, but it was mostly steel mesh.

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And that, where did that take them? Well, it was remarkably like an escape anyway. The five prisoners had all lied to each other about what arrangements they'd made and how. They probably found themselves quite surprised to be out in the internal streets of the prison. One of them said he knew how to get to the outer wall, but that wasn't quite correct.

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Another one said he had a rope hidden, and that definitely wasn't correct. And the I mean, we're in the 90s here, and there wasn't a huge amount of cell phones around, but there was some. Oh, and that wasn't happening either. So that was tough. They looked around for something to get over that wall, but they simply couldn't. That... Well, they handed themselves in back to the guard.

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The guard that was on duty that night was sleeping. They went and sort of tugged him, and he was kind of surprised and thought, well, what have you been let out for? Nothing, boss. We got out ourselves. Now, out of the things you could do and get away with, you could have whiskey, you could have drugs, you could even arrange for a woman somewhere or something that passed for one. They had a...

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But I ended up, I got a job for a while as an assistant manager at a cinema, a peculiar place. It was underground literally in the sense that it was below a huge building, and it had kids' movies on during the day. and softcore porn at night.

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an entire building of 1,000 with Thai ladyboys, full of AIDS, VD, and hormones when they had the money for it. But sometimes their hormone supply dry up, so they look pretty hairy indeed over in the corner.

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I mean, you could do almost anything that you wanted inside, but to escape something that affected the lives and livelihood of the officer concerned and everybody, and so shameful, letting prisoners, no, no, they wouldn't have. So they got locked into what they call the punishment streets. They're not really streets.

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The name comes from some old tradition of chaining people to the ground, but it was actually a, a series of coat lockers, about half size, with nothing but a little slit, like a letterbox hole in the top half of it. So that's how they would spend their days in there. Oh, and chained up. And just in case, they'd have a bottle of water and... What else? A bowl of rice every day, that was it.

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Oh, and a paint tin, that was their toilet. But they probably lost the mood for either eating or even taking a dump pretty soon, because every afternoon they'd drag some of them out and beat them with long sticks. all the little workers on the wing and the landing on the grounds with cleaners would be shoved away somewhere.

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We'd all be put downstairs and have to endure this terrible sound of them being beaten up. And it must have been quite horrendous to just hear. whacking into flesh and kind of crunching sound as bones were cracking and piteous wailing.

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So they were really picking the tip of the sticks and aiming their targets at soft spots until the hitting was going on people who no longer were conscious enough to even scream. And it would just then be the sound of something heavy hitting a carcass of meat or something like that.

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very hard to tolerate somebody else getting punished of course it's better than you could say better than being punished yourself but how to endure it was somebody else they didn't survive a lot of that treatment the four of them were dead within about three and a half four weeks it we put it down to internal bleeding mostly the Singaporean because he was foreign they didn't go too hard on him.

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When he finally, after months, got released from his coat locker, he was a strange gray color and never spoke. My time there, he never spoke again. This was a section I'd have to get out of. I managed to bribe and finagle my way into the bigger section where there were a number of sub-prisons that were for sentence prisoners. And the pressure's off. There's not so many court hearings.

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So there was a, well, you could say a difficult transition between the audiences and dads would come down and say, they would listen to my name at that stage, but could you look after the Rugrats for a while? I'm just gonna go down the pub and get blind drunk. Look, that's like two jobs I'd have to tell them. I don't get paid for two jobs.

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You could get organized in there, and I did with a group of them. My supportive friends were still pretty good, but people didn't really know what had happened to me. Michael was still alive and living in Australia. I eventually got... Really, the general store, they would rent out a phone from time to time, but for some reason the name of it was Coffee Shop, run by Chinese Thais.

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Of course, Chinese Thais run everything in Thailand. The government even forced them to change their names into Thai-sounding names, so it wouldn't look like the Chinese were doing all the work and Thais were sitting around doing nothing. This coffee shop was kind of well organized. It had this general store. It would sell rice, of course, instant coffee, lots of other things.

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But it had a kind of bank teller's cage around the side where for 25% commission, they would give you cash from your account. A very elaborate set of steps happened to get that money back to them from your account, but we didn't have to know about that. They had a little restaurant out the back.

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I mean, the cells are still really crowded and in conditions bad, but not really as often as they were in the other place. Yeah, they had a barber shop too, creaking barber chairs, you could get a haircut. There were Johnny Fontaine pictures on the wall. I was given the use of a phone after many months and managed to get through to Michael and I started to explain,

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You won't believe or you probably will believe too easily what's happened so many. Michael interrupted me. He said, David, look, I can imagine you haven't got much time on this. I don't want to know. Just tell me where I've got to be and what I've got to bring. And that's what you like to hear from somebody.

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A friend who you haven't spoken to who has heard all sorts of stories, but you finally get in touch with you and says those things that only a true friend does. So apart from anything else, it was quite moving. But I started to work on lots of plans. I recovered from wanting to kill myself. An American guy, Dean Reed, was busy swindling me out of some money.

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He was a funny kind of, what would you call it, accent, kind of, Boston Brahmin voice, you know, that sort of slightly Kelsey Grammar voice. And he kept saying that I could get, he was on a very short sentence for something a year, but he spoke fluent Thai. He blended in well. Lots of people came to me and said, oh, you can't trust this guy. I mean, we've heard stories about him out there.

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and leave the silence in the air there so i'd have to look after these little buggers uh until they got collected and then the um dirty old men would come down actually not many of them a very peculiar spread of an audience there and then the porn was nothing particularly wild i mean the names were catchy school girl report number 64 or something uh often from germany Right.

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And I knew that. And people later on said, look, that guy milked you for money. He went to your friends outside, told them ridiculous stories about what he was organizing, even tried to go to London and see people. here, for which he wouldn't have been doing anything. Who knows what he was? But look, I knew he was tricking me. I knew he was just self-interested. But what else should I expect?

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I didn't know him outside. But I think he deserved his earnings, because he gave me hope, where there was so hopeless. No one had ever won a case, certainly no one that was wanted to fall. No one had done anything but just grimly survived these places for decades, if they survived at all. There was no way out. That policeman was probably right there. It just didn't happen and I wasn't going.

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But I needed some sense of hope to keep me going. Anyway, he disappeared in due course after he got out, but I couldn't really even gauge the size of the place. It was so big. I had a friend who was a trustee there. He was from Laos. But he was the only trustee you could trust. He didn't take the job seriously. He came to speak to me about it before he took the job.

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He said he'd been offered it and should I take it because he could help me if he had that job. He could move around. Why was he being so helpful? you know, some people, they look at you and I think they can trust you and they just want a friend. I mean, you must've come across that Matthew in extreme places like prisons.

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Um, and not only that, um, But of the people you met, did you stay in touch with many of them?

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What happened to the old friends?

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yeah i guess you're right so um what plans were there i think i probably developed about um 15 maybe more plans there was one of my favorite ones was escape from the courtroom and uh that would be um he had the opportunity because the court was in a new building and it was um quite high, about 12, 13 floors, and prisoners were taken up in a special lift, a very small one at the side.

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And I figured somebody, I knew they could get into the building without going through much security or any really, go to one of the other floors, walk through and

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intercept this lift as it took me down so somebody would it be in the courtroom to say yes he's he's he's going to they're taking him away now so they would be getting ready into position another one would say yes they've just got into the the lift there and it's going down.

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The guy on the, say, the ninth floor from the 12th floor where they'd come from would press the button there and the lift would stop. It would open. There'd be two guards in there, unarmed, with me as a prisoner, though I would be chained out. So there'd be a bit of work to be done for me to get out of that.

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But as much as I like that idea, even the worst villains that I knew, the most serious bank robbers that I'd come across. When they came and examined the place, watched all these guards running around with machine guns, they just backed out. And maybe wisely so. There had been an escape from Bang Kwan where some people got away from the court transport. The prison bus was stopped.

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Guys on motorcycles got off and jumped out and let them out, cut them out. had bolt cutters for their chains, all of that sort of thing, took them away on motorbikes. The search for that was so intense when they inevitably got ratted out. The rangers from the army came in to deal with it.

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Pretty much the only people who profited that day was the old women who scooped up all the brass casings from the spent shells from their machine guns, because the ones that escaped certainly never survived. So escaping from the court appearances, that wasn't going to work.

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So the point to that story is that some of the girls who were up there had boyfriends who were, as they described them, gamblers. And they would run downstairs and disappear out the back door, and police would follow them. A cut to the chase here. The connection led to a bunch of retired safecrackers, almost retired, and they wanted to do something with their money.

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I had another plan, even some kind of crazy ones where the prison had an auto workshop and I was going to be welded into one of the vans that a prison guard took in for repair. I didn't really like the idea of being welded in there. and answering some questions on the screen. What was another plan? Probably the most far-fetched one was to be taken out

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to be one of disguised as United Nations medical team workers who had gone to the prison to take out a foreigner. And another Swiss guy, Theo, was going to be on the stretcher. And Sten from Sweden and I were going to have him on there. We'd have all the UN uniforms. We'd manage to get out of there.

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the cell, worked that out, and figured that just deference to this foreign force in the United Nations would get our doors open for us. And that was a bit sketchy, that one. And we couldn't help from sort of cracking up laughing at the thought of it, pretty much. When I got transferred over to this better section, the first thing was,

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to find a place to spend during the day which was private and to get effectively a private cell. There was an old one there that was run down. Me and a Scottish guy, we went to see the building chief Oh, I sat down in this little office. It's hot in here. What's the matter with your air conditioner? It's not working too good. Look, here's an envelope with some money.

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You get that damn thing fixed. It must be awful for your boss. By the way, there's an empty cell over there. Can we fix it up? Yeah, I bet we could get the painters in and have the plaster in. So we fixed up this cell, put in linoleum. I actually got a light bulb. fitting switch put in place. Nobody had that in the prison. It cost me $5,000.

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I said, look, I just can't sleep at night with that light on. Every other cell had a light on. I just made such a big story about it and paid so much for it that he agreed to that. So it was, I had an office downstairs in the art factory. And this is where they made little pictures out of shells.

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And I should tell you, the way that the prison worked, if you were a prison guard and started working in one of their six main sub-prisons, the chief of that section would bring you in and say, all right, what do you want? You've got the sweatshop A, B, or the boot factory, the umbrella factory. Take what you like. They're free. But remember, I want 10,000 a month out of each one.

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So the guard would tell the underling guard, this is your bid. you bring me that money every month, I don't care how you do it, beat it out of the prisoners, threaten them, sell drugs, couldn't care what you do, just make it happen. So they didn't really care, the guys, what you did in sections as long as you kept on paying.

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So I set myself up a little office there and soon enough I had the guys who picked my ice up for me to go in the ice chest during the day guys who organized the food shopping list from the local markets. They didn't go out to do it, of course, but there was another guard in charge of supplies.

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So the whole network of things that you paid for, it sounds like a lot because I probably had, I don't know, what, nine staff working for me, people to carry water and God knows what.

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No, no, no. This is 10,000 baht. So you take a zero off that and then divide it by three. So it's like $300. Oh, okay. Yeah. Still. Oh, but yeah, when talking about the sections that have to deliver, sometimes they'd be higher depending on how many prisoners this guard was supposed to be looking after.

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They usually have about, I mean, the worst kind of sections a guard could get would be just the industrial kind of things that had contracts with the prison and very hard to get any money out of them.

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one of them one of the guards there took to beating the laziest prisoner who was a worker of the day every day so uh if the laziest one is going to get beaten it will be somebody so it doesn't matter how hard the others work um somebody will get beaten so um but But guys like that didn't do very well, and it also meant they didn't have any money of their own.

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They were drunkards completely, or they would have bought themselves a better section from which they could get a little bit more money. The art section where I was, where they did these shell paintings, really just black and white sketches to make it look like inlaid mother-of-pearl shells, they sold quite well outside, particularly portraits of royalty.

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So the guard there was reasonably happy, but he was a nice drunk too. He used to post my mail for me. I'd just go over to the table and slide over the envelopes and he'd be good enough to put the stamps on them. Just a little button pressing there again. It's asking me about storage size.

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Selling a lot of weed would be good, some hashish. put my hand up, went to India, had no real connections. One of the old bank robbers had escaped there, pretending to be a Hare Krishna, and I had him. And you know what? It was... Greg Roberts, another David, he went on to write a book called Shantaram. But by the time I got to the ashram with the Krishnas, he'd bolted into something else.

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I had to kind of restrict the number of people that would come and see me because there were a lot of very desperate Westerners there. People had been beggars around the world, people who had nothing. People were bored. I had electric cooking rings, whereas a lot of them used in the Around the back of the toilet area there, they'd have just old bits of charcoal.

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If they had some money, or they'd just burn anything, pieces of plastic to make their meals on. You couldn't even breathe around in that section. But so I was doing kind of all right. I'd fixed the fan in the room. So they wouldn't be suspicious of me at all. I... I wouldn't say I was kind of comfortable, but my days were awful, horrible. But I was sticking to it. I knew they would come to an end.

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This trial would come to an end. It would go badly. It wasn't going well as it was. Bits of so-called evidence from newspapers covered stories of me in the past. That first big trial, that was being used against me. I knew there was no winning. Eventually... my Thai lawyer came in and said, look, the agencies, he mainly met the DA, they're getting sick of waiting.

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Your trial's going to suddenly come to an end in about two and a half, three weeks. You'll be convicted and you'll be on death row from then on. So I had to really act quick. Out of... Out of all the plans I've had in reserve, I've had the one where you just do it in a very straightforward way.

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You cut yourself out of the cell, you climb down the wall, you figure out where the hell the other walls are, and you make yourself a ladder and keep climbing until you get to the edge, and you know. It sounds kind of flaky and desperate, and there were so many unknowns, but I knew in the end that was the only way that really anything was going to work.

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I'd been preparing for it, and I know I could have bought things like hacksaw blades within the prison, sure, but I would have been ratted out, Matthew. The trustees would have… they were such snakes. I mean, they'd sell the drugs one day and then arrest you for it the next. Absolute toads, too. You'd see them during the day as their personal guard.

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The one they worked for was lying around doing nothing. They'd be massaging the guard's legs to make him more comfortable. And the sickening part was the rapturous look of happiness on the trustee's face as serving my master is but the highest calling in life. Anyway, I knew that if I got transferred prisons and then had change to deal with, it would be much, much harder.

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I'd have to set up all again. Prisoners were allowed a kind of care package food parcel from time to time. It would come in by mail, and it would be opened in front of a guard who was seated in a chair, and everybody would be kneeling around going through the stuff, whatever it was. The Thais used to get pretty much a hard time.

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Their clothes would be soaked in case there were drugs in there somehow, or really just to embarrass them, a way of encouraging payments. But the foreigners, because we didn't have local contacts, supposedly, and the parcels came from overseas, they kind of let us get away with a bit more.

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And especially, I always, when I got a parcel, I made sure there was a couple of cartons, extra cigarettes in there, and I used to give some to the guard who was doing the searching. So, yeah, just go along, take your stuff. But Michael was going to send me these hacksaw blades, and I knew it would have to make it something good.

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So I got him a huge parcel full of food and tins and clothes and cigarettes and books, everything you can imagine in there. So a lot to go through, and it arrived. Ah, he was going through this and that, looking up clothes, a big roll of gaffer tapes and stationary pens, oh, cable ties, oh, hanging up the blankets, I'd say, or whatever.

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But even though the hacksaws had been made into... It was a scroll, a poster with a wooden dowel, top and bottom. Inside the dowel was... the hacksaw blades. Michael had done it really quite well.

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As I'd asked him, he'd cut a groove with a radial arm sword down the dowel rod, put the hacksaw blades in there, sealed them up, painted them, made the scroll, handwritten the thing, and then put it in a special case with inside this big care parcel. But I needed one thing to be sure because I thought it would be a bit heavy or unnatural, and it was.

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So I was back on the street getting the shoeshine boys to try and find me connections. I eventually found them. I went back, and all the old safecrackers were kind of surprised to see that I'd got through with this. I mean, Matthew, it was the worst smuggling job.

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What would you put in that parcel, Matthew, that would distract the guards satisfactorily to get them to take their minds off it?

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Yes, to take their mind off it. What I'd said to Michael was, no, whiskey would be a confiscation, so that would be a kind of a, was that? Would that be having a dig at them or something? I said to Michael, look, go out and find the most extreme pornography.

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Yeah, something that would really get into the... Because they didn't really allow... Even Playboys were a bit too much for the times. They were a bit puritanical like that. So when the guard looked down, they saw these glossy magazines, which was, what, teenage anal number 17, three-way vixens from Scandinavian porn. It was, oh, he couldn't contain himself. Daniel was my name in there.

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Daniel, no, no, sorry, no, cannot have, cannot, cannot have, and very carefully put them under his chair for later. So any thought about what was in that parcel was absolutely dazzled by the shining light of the filthy dreams that he was having suddenly in his head. So I had those. There were some other bits of equipment I needed for the big night. And I'm just rearranging myself a bit here.

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I was due in court, and every time I was going there, it was very risky. I thought they could suddenly spring it on me. I managed to get through one more court session, but time was running out. Now, I was supposed to leave with this big Swedish guy. The Viking had been working out and building up his strength. I kind of ran through the plan as such as it might be with him, but

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You know, it was very hard to be convincing. Why hasn't anybody done it before? I never really liked hearing that. Because it wouldn't work so easy if somebody had done it before. They would have patched up some of the holes they've got in their security. No, no, no. He was very much of two minds. But the real reason was... After you get out, where do you go? You've got to plan for that.

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And he had no one or nothing because he was a bit of a scallywag, a scoundrel. He'd stolen from his friends and done bad things out there. But what really killed it for him, I was down near the coffee shop general store and these couple of guys walked along, newcomers. They had, not only were they wearing the heaviest chains I've ever seen,

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I had some fancy kind of complex plan where I'd taken in some electronic equipment and put lead in it, chuck the lead out, put the dope in it. All that fell to pieces. I ended up taking a very ancient 1950s Grundig radio, gutting the thing completely, stuffing six kilos of Nepalese hash in there, and just landing back at Sydney. How old were you? I would have been 19 years old.

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But their legs were just all distorted and they were hobbling, like they were both crippled of some kind, that had been badly treated, and yet they were Europeans. what they looked like that way. It turned out they were Israelis. They'd been registered in this much smaller town in Chiang Mai. It's only 250,000, or it was at the time.

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They'd been taken to the local lockup, and they got out of there. It wasn't such a hard thing to do. They'd gone to the guest house where they'd been staying. because they thought they trusted the guy. The guy milked them of all their money and eventually ratted them out to the cops.

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And the cops let the guards have them back and they took them back to the jail and then smashed all their legs with iron bars, put them in a dungeon through rocks on top of them. It was only in the strength I get, both of them being in the Israeli army, had allowed one to drag the other one out and give him some water and they survived. So when they came back,

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Hello, Matthew, and thank you for taking me even by wire to Tampa in Florida. And I think you've introduced me a little bit, but just to let people know, I'm now quite ancient, but from the age of You know, they say, up until you're 18, you are looking for trouble, but after 18, you find it. And I certainly did.

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They were, I wouldn't say on the way to recovery, but they lived anyway. I mean, you can imagine the pain of unset, broken limbs. Anyway, they'd been transferred down because the security wasn't tight enough up there, of course. What was I going to tell Sten, the Viking, about this? The Westerners, and they still half beat them to death,

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You know, I kind of went up to him and said, oh, it would make for the funniest things, Den. These guys have got out of the prison. And they fucked it up. I mean, not like we're going to, you know, we'll be all right because I've organized this and that. Well, there was no amount of talking about that this was to be dismissed. He just wouldn't come along, which in the end was a better thing.

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I switched off my light for the last time in that cell just as midnight came around. And the cell was only about five people by this time. I'd gone to great lengths to keep people out. I had to give the chief a lot more money, because normally even the small cell held about 14, but this was just five.

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Myself, an Indian people smuggler who was mild enough, but a complete coward, so I'd have to watch him. Kevin from Hawaii, or Calvin, it was called sometimes, myself and Stan, and that was it. So I switched off that light and then got the hacksaws out and then started to go to work. Well, I'd had the hacksaws broken from this thing and hidden somewhere else. But there was other things.

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There were no beds in there, but there were kind of little mats And mine was made up of a crosshatch woven pattern. It was actually 100 meters of army boot webbing from the army boot factory that nylon cord. A couple of other little things put together. But I found there was a very, it was almost like it was starting to get too late. By the time I'd got everything ready and woken up,

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Kevin, very surprised to see what was going on. Oh yeah, the little boy, my head butler was in there as well. It was starting to get late. It was after one o'clock. I took the hacksaws out and started cutting, but it was much noisier than you can imagine. You know when you're timing something and your mind

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Well, you don't know how long it's going to take, but it never really affected for the sound. So I had to cut much slower. Even oil just made the cutting slower rather than doing a good job. So by about 2.45 in the morning, I'd only got to the point where the top part of one bar was cut.

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halfway through the the lower section of the same bar and that was bending a bit, but I knew how old the whole building was and under what strain it was as I cut through the top bar while Sten did and let him do the cutting it sprang away from where it was because it had been in position so long and the whole building had skewed and all of that and He'd say, look, stay another day.

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Nobody will come here or interfere. We'll put everything back. I knew it just wouldn't work. People would all come unstuck because somebody spoke. And this Indian guy, he was weak and terrified. And he would have spoken for sure. So I went on with it. It would have been... I had to just stop all of that and put an old builder's plank, which was being used as a bookshelf.

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There was a single customs officer on duty and he just took pity on me. He knew perfectly well I was loaded up to the gills. But he just said, look, are you going back there? No, no, no, I said. All right, see that you don't. You can take your, well, get going. So I thought I was tip-top number one smuggler.

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I slid that out of the window. And it had to be locked in place because this plank couldn't go out flat and then bounce around. It had to go out sideways. And then they put us up three floors up because they didn't trust foreigners on the ground floor, that's for sure. So I had to make my way to the ground after that.

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So this plank had to go sideways, then climbed up there, grabbed this bar that had been half cut and stretched it back, just as I stripped down and slid out to the end of the plank, going hand over hand to the back of it. slung this army boot webbing over both sides and then grabbed it thinking, well, I'll abseil to the ground. Well, that plan was never going to work.

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Unless you've abseiled before, it's not so easy to do. But the odd thing was, when I got out of that cell, when I squeezed through the bar into the night and looked up at the sky that I hadn't seen for It was two and a half years. I'd never seen the night sky. I'd never seen stars or anything. And then look back into the cell.

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But the people I knew in there, I thought, suddenly it was all finished. It was all gone. That didn't matter anymore. My survival out here was what mattered. And here I am clinging to the wall like some big insect.

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Yeah, yeah. I'm just out of my cell at building six, and there's seven more buildings to go through. And I slid to the ground and burnt the skin off my fingers doing so and rolled over, and it was soft ground, so it was fine. I pulled back that rope down and rolled it up. and then went to my daytime office. And there I opened up a cupboard which had six picture frames in there.

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Sten, I'd had him pretend to take an interest in oil painting, and he'd put together these wooden frames over which you stretch the canvas normally, but they were no more than frames. And they were to be the rungs of a ladder I had in mind making using two ladders, four long bamboo poles from another factory. This was the factory that made paper paintings of little fake boxes for Chinese funerals.

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And they hung them over to dry on these long bamboo poles, which were about 12 feet, 14 feet long, two inches down on the base, tapered to about an inch. But I still had to get there. And so I bundled up the little things that I would need from my little office room in the art factory and had a look around to see what guards were about. One I could see already sleeping over in the corner.

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He usually had a bit of a drink and went to sleep, these guys. But it wouldn't take much to wake him up. And it was so slow. Look, I timed this out during the day and walked a few steps And then I had my watch telling me how long it took to go from one place to another. All that meant nothing on the actual ride. On the night, it took forever to go somewhere. I didn't want to make any noise.

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But the surprising thing was all these old villains, when they took a look at that and saw that something was actually going to happen, they're all, well, why didn't you bring Cocos Mac? We could have all been rich. I'm scratching my head then because they make big speeches about how You know, how do drugs are a bad thing, got people into trouble.

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I couldn't drop anything. I couldn't put things down. I had to make sure I was keeping on carrying it. Where the bamboo poles came from, that was a factory that had just been sealed up, so I had to break into that. And even the sound of my old... parrot beak pliers that I'd nicked from somewhere was slow on it.

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So I did get into that factory, put down the poles either side, put the picture frames along them, taped them up with the gaffer tape holding a little torch in my teeth. My mouth was either drying out or drooling holding this torch in my teeth as I was doing it. you know, not even really wanting to look at the time because I know it's three o'clock in the morning by then or after that.

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I've now got two ladders all taped up. I can't get them out of the factory because the way I came in was too close to where the guards were. So I had to actually break out the other end of this factory down where it went on to where the auto shop was. So use one of the ladders to climb up to the roof inside the factory, poke the other ladder through the gap in the mesh and the

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tin, lower it down into the auto shop, pull the other one up, lower that one down, carry the two of them to the auto shop gate, which led on to where the showers and the water tanks and the toilets were in Building 6.

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Knowing that there were many other buildings to go to, and I didn't really know where they were, even by the time I rounded one of the corners, the guard was moving and I had to wait for a bit. I eventually got to the inside wall of Building 6, which had its own barbed wire.

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I'd had a fifth bamboo pole, and I taped an S-hook around that with some of the gaffer tape, pulled that rolls of kind of old, ineffective barbed wire. It was ineffective, but it still tangled you up. And pulled that outwards so that I could get my ladder up. over to the edge of it. Now, by this stage, I realized carrying two ladders wasn't going to work.

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I taped them both together, and I pushed them up against this internal wall, climbed to the top, and then lowered to the bottom and tried to pull it through, but it was still tangling. I had to develop a bit of a system to get over these internal walls, and I'd get into one building and the open courtyard and grassy area, the exercise field or whichever I could find myself in.

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I had to avoid building five because it was the punishment section and very small, so I went to the next one. Was that building three? I don't know. And had a thing where I'd keep this long ladder with the two of them joined together, hold it in the middle and trot along like a pole vaulter. Michael had taught me that about pole vaulters.

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He used to be a Commonwealth champion pole vaulter before he gave up one life and took on another. I stopped looking at my watch and really didn't keep track so much of where I was. But I knew I was heading in the right direction when a smell from the AIDS ward, AIDS was ripping through Thailand at the time and prisoners were heavily affected.

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They put them in a virtually disused section of the prison compound. And they were rotting away in there, so you could smell them from a distance. So I knew if I was near them, I must be close. I even stuck my head up and looked in and saw these gray, shiny, sick faces just looking at me. But, you know, they didn't say anything.

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And any other Thai prisoner would have screened the place down the local The cell boss, the little trustees on the wing would have blown their whistles till their lungs exploded if they saw me at the But these guys dying in agony just didn't have the strength to say anything. But I knew I was only two buildings away from the outer wall. I met a couple of other obstacles.

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But you won't be shocked, will you, Matthew, that when it comes to money, certain stated principles get put aside there, don't they?

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It's kind of long to explain, but one was just a wall of barbed wire, and I had to go under the mud in that one. So it was pretty messy by the time I reached the inside of the outer wall. And it had another moat on the inside of the prison that ran around. It was actually a sewer. And that had barbed wire in the middle. And I couldn't figure a way of getting my ladder over to the other side.

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Because the other side, where the wall was, where I had to be, where I had to put my ladder against it, that only had about a foot and a half of ground underneath it. And I had to devise a plan to get over there. I guess I found a way. Those who want more detail on my exploits can probably read the last book I wrote. But I did find myself propped up against that outer wall between the guard towers

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as dawn was coming, that glow was in the sky. And I reached up there and looked over. The ritual plan was to somehow get over and safely down to the ground on the other side and swim the moat. But I realized finally when I was looking at it that the swim to where? This was all guards' houses. So it was kind of a mess.

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I used the last of my drinking water to clean myself up, put on my long trousers, because they were never allowed, and the ones I'd had kept aside were khaki, so maybe from a distance I might look like a guard, except what, with a white face? No, I don't think so. Managed to very carefully inch my way through the electric cables there, and

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taking the chance that the rubber of my trainers would insulate me pretty well. And it did. And again, the last of my little bit of rope to see me to the bottom, the inside track, the little path that ran around the jail. Now, going across the moat wasn't going to work.

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Next thing, I worked at a youth getting multiple passports. I could travel completely. Now, remember, there's quite a large profit. I mean, you could say five times what there is on smuggling by air than there is these days. So it was still economically sensible to leave on one passport, travel to a safe country, say the UK, as it was then,

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The only way out was to, and I realized it was in the wrong place, not where I thought I'd end up, not at the back of the prison, but in fact near the front. I realized I'd have to walk around the front and cross one of the small foot bridges that went over that path. I pulled up my ace in the hole, as they say. It was one of my job that I was supposed to work at inside the prison but never did.

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It was in the umbrella making factory where they made pop-up umbrellas. I'd taken a black pop-up umbrella with me on my little journey through the prison because I thought, if I'm in this situation and I'm going to be passing people, What is one thing that escaping prisoners don't have, don't use, don't think about if there's rain? An umbrella.

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So I popped that up, kept my head under it, walked my way in a kind of reasonable but relaxed pace, and he even poked out looking up to see whether the guard towers were watching. Two weren't, but one was, and he probably wondered What the hell's that coming in on the backside path?

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But as I said, the guards lived over that side, so I'd hoped and perhaps he thought that it was a late-coming prison officer who was sneaking in the back way to avoid being balled out by his boss. But in any event, I rounded the corner.

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found the little moat crossing that goes over the front where the stalls were setting up, their breakfast goods, their coffees, their baked donuts, the goods they'd sell for people visiting prisons. Went over that. I even think my personal guard, the one who I leave with, one of my ATM cards that I'd send him out every month for cash from the ATM, give him an honest 10%.

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I think it was he who was arriving, and he couldn't see my face, of course, but you know when you know somebody and the way they walk, there's something about their footsteps that kind of reminds you of who it is, and maybe he had some I wouldn't have even thought possibly it was me, but something about it.

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But I moved away from there fast enough and got to the main road, climbed the big old steel pedestrian crossing over the six-lane highway. One of us goes to the airport and the other one back into town. I turned around and looked back at the prison and thought to myself, why are they doing it? Why are they staying there? Why are the prisoners staying there?

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Why do they choose to live there for 20 years and not try everything they can possibly do to get out? I made arrangements for a passport to be kept hidden from me by the guy I mentioned before, the only good trustee in the whole prison, the one who was from Laos. He was getting out and he Though he was deported, he was back quick enough and came to see me.

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And when I was making arrangements for a passport to be ready for me with him, he was saying, look, David, you've got no chance of this, really none. I'll come and see you as the year's gone. Don't worry, I'll come and bring you things. I know this guy and that one. I'll always be able to organize something. I can't do that. I'd rather die trying on this. Just please put that passport where it is.

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And by the way, you know you have to get it stamped into the country a few weeks beforehand. It's got to be on the computer and got to be this and got to be that. And the only photograph I can give you to make this thing up is my old radio operator's license, which I got many years ago, so it's a little bit old. Yes, yes, yes, yes.

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So he explained to me where it would be kept and gave me a key, but I often wondered, would he do it?

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Right. That's what I was thinking. He thought it was so hopeless.

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Yeah, I know. And he had to call in some of the people who were in the people smuggling business and getting them to go out to their man at the airport and get on the computer and everything like that. But he'd given me the key to this place, so I thought, yeah. And he seemed so genuine. Anyway, I didn't have time to stay on that footbridge and look back at the prison all morning.

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I thought I'd better get the hell out of there. I climbed down the other side, hailed a taxi, took him to the local shopping centre, got rid of him, went around the backside of it, got another taxi, got to this block of apartments, the flats that I didn't really... know anything much about. Found number 64, put the key in, opened it. Well, the door's open. That's a good thing.

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There's actually some boy staying there. He seemed to know of me or didn't know that I might be coming, but knew something about me. He He said, oh, did you get bail or something like that? I said, yes, sir. Something like that. Look, I just need to use the toilet because that's where this thing was supposed to be. I went in the toilet cubicle.

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um or france um switch passports go back into asia load up come back switch again go back and so when i landed at sydney the second time I would only show that passport that hadn't been tainted by any Asian stamps on it. So I'd get waved through. And it took, after the early successes, and a success is not being arrested, isn't it? I had this luxury of looking into it more carefully.

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Sure enough, there was a, I was too dehydrated to take a pee, but there was a mirror as described behind the assistant tank. And I felt down along there. Yeah, my fingers have touched something. Is it an envelope? Maybe. And I pulled it out and there was something in there and it felt good.

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And I'm thinking, what are the odds that a guy I've met in prison has got out of the prison, gone and had my, I knew this photo wasn't even the right size for a passport, had to be adjusted and everything like that. And all the things put on the, anyway, I opened it up and I had a look and sure enough, there was me staring back at me and it was a British passport.

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nicely used, good enough, and had been stamped in. And the papers that you have to fill out before you leave at the airport that had been done three weeks before by the immigration officer as a tourist thing, they were all in there sitting there ready to go.

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um i thought well i'd give you a kiss if you were here now so i didn't waste any time i remembered the vision of the broken legs of the israeli state within my mind um so i went down jumped in another taxi um and arrived at the airport

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Now, before I'd left the cell the night before, I was a bit worried about my head butler, who was only like five and a half feet tall, how he'd be treated the next day. And I gave Sten some money. I said, look, see what you can do, make sure. I gave him my good watch, and I kept my little crappy Casio that actually kept better time.

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Because I turned around in the middle of the night with all this cutting away, and there he was, Little Jet. That was his name. It means number seven because he was the seventh child. He was not dressed as he normally would be for sleeping. He was at his Sunday go-to-meet-and-close. He was all dressed up, and he had...

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his best shoes on, and he had his letters and photos and his personal things all in a plastic bag with a rubber band. He was ready to go with me, you know, follow me anywhere. And I thought to myself, here you are, a bit braver than my Swedish friend who shit himself at the prospect of being a free man.

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But I had to, you know, both Sten and I explained to him, no, no, no, look, you can't go tonight. We're done. David's going, you can't follow, not this night. And I said, look, I'll send you money. I'll do my best for you, whatever you want. You're not doing a long time. You don't want to be wanted being shot at or whatever. And kind of reluctantly, he'd settled down.

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And where would he have gone anyway? There were... And the point of this is I'd gotten rid of most of my cash. So the two ATM cards that I still had, I had to work really to give me some flexibility about where I was going to go. I headed up to the bank, put one in, tapped it up. I thought, well, okay, it's probably best to go to a European country. It's a long haul.

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It's going to be at least 12 hours. But I'd be into a jurisdiction where I could put up an argument for, you know, even if something rather led to me being identified or this passport falls to bits or whatever. Right. And I'm not really looking at the screen, and I don't want to look at the screen, you know, because it's saying, please refer to your bank. And...

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I can tell you when you escape from a prison and you depend on your life for the money that comes out of an ATM. To get that message on the screen is not something you want to see. So I had one more card, though. So I gave it a rest, and I didn't want to use the machine straight away.

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I went down to the long-term luggage lockers where a visiting friend had left an overnight bag with a change of clothes and some toiletries. and collected that. I'd been sitting there for two and a half months already. Came back to the machines and put the second card in after thinking through some options, but none of them were very good. Staying in the country, whatever.

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Now, the second card paid out about $500. So where could I go on that? Not far. I bought a ticket because time was on the march to the next Singapore flight that was going up. Now, Singapore's close enough by in terms of time, but not so good in terms of jurisdiction. They would have sent me back to Thailand immediately. They have the death penalty of their own.

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They wouldn't have bothered about extradition courts. I wouldn't be a citizen of theirs. I'd be in a phony passport anyway, wouldn't I? So sending me back would have been no trouble. But I'm in the line already for departure and at every point I'm waiting for something to go wrong.

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If I stick my head above, when I was back in there, above the parapet of the roof of a wall, turn a corner and I see somebody and I'm confronted by them and I can't get out of it. So even at the airport, I'm having trouble getting the money and then I've bought a ticket and I've checked in And I'm going to the immigration desk and the guy behind the desk there has got this new passport.

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All right, let me ask you this. Let's say you're a smuggler. You arrive back in Miami. Oh, well, okay, why not? And you find yourself before two officials, customs officers. Your bag's on the table. They ask you to unlock it if it's locked. And then one starts to look through your stuff and the other one's talking to you. What would you say is going on? What's your function at that moment?

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He's typed up the forms right. He's tapping on the screen, the keyboard. He's frowning at it. And I'm thinking, well, this is where it all ends. Right.

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Yeah, yeah. Well, it's a real passport, stolen within a few weeks ago. But who knows if some other mechanism had had it. They explained to me that there's thousands and thousands of passports stolen or lost every year. If they put all the stolen or lost ones onto a list, then every time somebody, oh, I found that passport I reported missing last week. All right, let's go off to the airport.

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And it'll blow up on them. And so they don't put all of those on a big list because there'd be millions of them for every country you go through. The only people on a list is a watch list. And that's very limited. It's that countries wanted felons. It's people have been requested being put up there by Interpol and even

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Most countries wish Interpol would keep their business to themselves because unless it's a red notice, it usually doesn't go on there. Red notices notify an arrest on site and all that kind of thing. Anyway, as I'm speculating on all this stuff, I've missed the sound of the immigration officer stamping my passport and handing it back. I've got on board and the flight's delayed.

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The airline steward, what would you like? Some water, please. Definitely a bit dried out by then. But the captain mumbling something about something with one passenger and sorry, the delay won't be long while I sort this out. Yeah, one passenger, that's me, and they're coming for me.

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Now, thwomp, a very satisfying sound again of the doors closing and somebody muttering doors to manual, as they say, before the plane takes off. And it did, and it was only an hour's flight. But what have I got to do during that hour? I've got nothing to read except this stinking passport. Hmm. But I tell you what, I don't like it any better than I did when I first saw it after an hour.

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I kept finding faults in it, the stitching, the binding, the laminate of the photo. I didn't think much of it. And I was not alone in that opinion. When I landed in Singapore and I went to the immigration desk there, the officer on duty looked at this passport. This photo is not a first-generation photo. It's a copy of one. Why would anybody do that? And he slid it over to the ultraviolet lamp.

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And in the case of British passports, they're looking for the green glow of the imprinting on the covers. And he's put the photo paragraph under there. Oh yes, and I'd forgotten, it needs to show three little crowns overlapping the edges in pink. Bless my little Chinese friend, my ocean friend. Three little crowns in pink showed up there.

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My attorney goes, stop everything you're doing. Whoever you're working with isn't who they say they are. They're HBO and they're ripping you off. So you pop up the trailer for this thing. The first opening line is, do you want to be famous?

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Very reasonable.

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Yeah. Trust me. I know how it works. So listen, and I appreciate everybody that's stopping to listen and take the time to hear today too, because you know, that's all I'm trying to do is create awareness around this. And it's the sort of story that everybody has heard a million times.

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What?

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And I mean, you know, they made, there's a movie about that jokes about it called big fat liar, where this like kid gets his homework stolen by a moot by Paul Giamatti. And all of a sudden it turns into like the biggest flick of the season.

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I just want to listen. It's, it's, it's that this is what it's all about for me is like, now this is the angle I want to take it. It's not just me. Look, in society in a very grandiose way of viewing, right? We're all in jail. We're all slaves to the central banking system.

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It's no matter what, if you take this economic, like from an economic perspective and you go political and whatever else with it, which is like, you know, always a talking point today's day and age because politics have become a sport. And you look at it from that grand scale, nobody, I don't care who you are, nobody makes money. They take it from each other.

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The only person making money is the government because they're printing it. They can just make more whenever they want. And it's not even the government, it's the central bank.

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But, you know, it comes down to like this intellectual property.

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So if we're all a part of this system of how do I take from you, how do you take from me, then what makes you a criminal that had to go away and me not?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Of course.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I had one law firm in the midst of this whole thing. They told me, if you want to fight, this is going to be two mil. I was like, $2 million. I go, I'm 27. Where am I getting? At the time I was 25. I was like $2 million. Like who's writing that check for me?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. Nobody understands that a legal thing works.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So, so when you, when you lawyers, lawyers are lawyers. No, right. Lawyers are the worst at this whole thing, but Hollywood acts just like a lawyer because, because what the lawyer does is, well, there's only a 50, 50 chance, right? They always got to tell you that at the end.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But when you're on your way up to like up to that, that's the same thing you're dealing with in entertainment is like this. Hey, listen, it could get picked up. It might not get picked up. So, you know, what happened to me was I pitched this. I pitched this. I think reality shows suck.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And then it cuts to an American Idol style casting audition, casting for influencers. I'm like, holy shit. All these guys signed an NDA. I'm going to be rich. So I'm like, I think this guy just commit malpractice. So I was like, holy shit. Like even these, even these attorneys are actors, you know, I'm like, everybody's an actor. Holy crap. My family, friends, JLo's music producer.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Sure, sure.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. These shows are the most boring thing in existence. I think that some of the biggest ones out there are like watching paint dry and I can't figure out why people like it, but it's the drama, right? From a subconscious and psychological perspective, it's the, it's the, it's the, what would I do if I was in that situation?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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The Kardashians print cash. So, you know, there's people like it. Yeah. So that was my mentality about it. My mentality was like, well... you know, if I want to create a reality show that's actually interesting, how am I, how am I going to do that? So, you know, I grew up and I grew up going to a school where all we did was write. We wrote and wrote.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I mean, by the time I was in the seventh grade, we were writing 40 page essays like a couple of times a year.

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I grew up in Long Island, New York. I grew up on the North Shore. I grew up kind of like amongst circles of people in the entertainment business. My dad is in finance. So I thought that growing up, seeing my dad working in that industry, I thought I knew the dirtiest things.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So, you know, writing was just, we got, we got beaten over the head to learn how to write and to read and do whatever else. And I'm dyslexic. So it was, so am I. Oh my gosh.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So that's the kind of college I went to, which was the best thing ever for me. It was a cakewalk to have that handheld support. But I moved schools a bunch growing up because I needed the support too. So I know that realm all well. So being dyslexic, you already know your fantasy is so powerful. Yeah, definitely. I think that we're more creative than most because of that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I mean, it's just my opinion, but that's how I always saw it. So when I looked at my world and what I realized was, all right, I got to create a reality show, but what's my reality about? And it came down to me looking around at these, it came down to, we were in the middle of COVID, right? And I'm sitting next to my friends on the couch every day.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And we're trying to like figure out how to get these girls to reply as we like flip through the phone. And there was one girl that I was like drooling over. She had like 250,000 followers. And I was like, how do I get her to reply? And I was like, well, it's simple. All I need is more followers than her.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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How do I get more followers? And then the reality show was born. I'm going to create this reality show where I'm going to recruit girls to be on the show because it's a dating show. But I can't really have it be a dating show. It's got to be about being an influencer. So the premise became, have you ever wanted to be famous?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Who wouldn't have stopped when they saw that ad roll by on their Instagram? Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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At least 50% of the population I figured was my goal. You know, now if I got all those people to follow me, I was going to use them. Tell them if you, as long as you follow me, you get to be, you know, you'll get an opportunity to be on the show. We're going to do all the casting from Instagram. So now I say to myself, but it's just not enough. What's missing? What's missing?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And I look over at my friends and I was like, these guys aren't even friends. You know, like they're just constantly cock blocking me. So I'm thinking to myself, I know that's what this show is about. This show is my like, get back at these guys for always. And like, you know, we weren't looking for the same thing when it came to dating. Like I actually just want like,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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one girl like i'm one kind of like eat like i just wanted to be easy i wanted to be my best friend sort of thing and these guys were like yo if you show them if you show them that we're gonna go do this and it's fancy or we do that or we go out for a nice dinner look at look at the view at the beach or like this or that it was all about like how much money you could spend and you know very like miami-esque mentality and like it's that just wasn't me that wasn't how i was raised

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know, that was a byproduct. That's not something you like just like use as your fishing bait. So I was like, I'm going to get these guys back for getting in the way every time. Like there was one or two girls that came across that maybe there was like a little more than I realized. And I was like, I'm going to stick these. I was like, I'm going to stick these guys for sticking me.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So I created this secondary underlying premise where I was going to trick them into being on the reality show, thinking they were helping me to cast like America's Next Top Model.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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The casting process would have been this like, hey, have you ever wanted to be famous? Now I lord in my audience members.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That's literally how I pitched it. It was American Idol, but my friends didn't know what they were doing on the panel.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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business in the game you know i thought it had to be there was no way nothing more evil than you know working for the dollar but um it turns out that hollywood is a bigger and dirtier cesspool yeah oh i say all the time i'm like i'd rather whenever i talk to these guys i'm like honestly i would rather deal with criminals yeah well they are that's where they all go right i mean

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They thought they were voting for the hottest girls. Then what I was going to do was...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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exploit them for kind of like every time like i talked to a girl and then like had them come and like take the girl away sort of thing and that was going to be like the endless the endless play okay so i that's like that's like a really bad bad explanation of the whole thing but it's like it's my shortest synopsis i can give you so i so i call up these guys that that cory set me up with

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Guys, I got an idea for a reality show. Sign this NDA. Get it back to me. Let's talk. I'm ready to go. I'll fund the whole thing myself. You know, I was going to spend every dollar I had on this thing. I was like, I will fund this because I knew the only thing I knew from Corey is you got to own all the rights. You got to own all the rights. You got to own all the rights.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You got to own all the rights. He drilled into me. So. And his example was always Beyonce. Beyonce owned 80% of her own publishing. Nobody could figure out how. So I was like, if I pay for the whole show, I own all the rights. So that was what I thought. I didn't know anything. But I figured I'd own most of them until time rolled around.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No. No. So now that's what happens, right? So I called these guys up. I'm like, I want to own all the, you know, I want to shoot the full pilot. Corey said, shoot the full pilot. I'm shooting the full pilot. No, no, we only want to shoot a sizzle. Like I hear you, but Corey said, I guarantee myself on a network if I shoot the pilot. I did get on the network with the whole pilot.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It just wasn't mine. you know, it was mine. They just took it. So, so now, you know, two weeks, these guys are like, all right, fine, fine. Cause I wasn't being malleable and, you know, unbeknown to me, I wasn't being malleable. I just thought I was calling them and contracting them to do a job and I was going to run the job. You know, that was, that was my simple.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. That was how, that was how I understood it to be. You know, the whole thing was work for, I didn't know any better, but yeah, I thought it was work for hire. So these guys come, these guys tell me they're gonna come back to me by the end of the week and I hear nothing. Then like a week and a half goes by and now I'm like, all right, let me double check, see what's going on.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh yeah, hey Jack, sorry, huge project got thrown into our laps. So these guys are famous for making mockumentaries in the end, they tell me. But all they do is tease me with the whole thing along the way, which is where it gets nuts. So they go, we want you to work. Here's the next tease. Ready?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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We're not going to be able to do it, but we want you to work with a producer partner of ours, Jeff Cobelli. His production company is called Good For You. But when you go to his production company and you're in his studio, all over the studio, he's got the letters GFY.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What's that acronym for?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So go. I'm working with go fuck yourself productions. Right. They don't want because they're like, go fuck yourself. We took your show already.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So now I'm on my second call with go fuck yourself. And and and they're like, hey, listen, this crazy thing happened. You should check it out. It's called Fake Famous. You open up the trailer to this show. It just came out. It's on HBO. We weren't really sure. Is it your show? Is it not your show? So you pop up the trailer for this thing. The first opening line is, do you want to be famous?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And then it cuts to an American Idol style casting audition, casting for influencers. I'm like, holy shit. All these guys signed an NDA. I'm going to be rich. That's like my initial thought, right? And now I begin this uphill battle to like fight against the entertainment business. And I realized these guys just continually played me. Not only that, Fake Famous comes out now.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I keep telling everybody I'm going to get killed over this thing.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They credit this guy to be the producer because they know how to work the whole thing to make it appear to be what it's not. They talk to me about how you can manipulate the recordings. You change costumes. You change hairstyles. You change lighting. You change this. You change that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And all of a sudden, you can film something over the course of three days that appears to have taken place over the course of a year.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So you can manipulate the seasons and all those sorts of things, which is exactly how they pumped the trailer out for this thing. Because they pumped the trailer out in two weeks. Right. They pumped the documentary out in a month.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Fake Famous ended up being a documentary because I pitched it as a documentary style reality show.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So documenting the process of becoming famous. So in the process of doing that, I recorded every single production meeting I had.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, they're not credited on it. So now I go do all the back studying, figure out who were these guys, you know? And when I'm looking them up, one's got a credit on The Sopranos. One was a DOD for, he was the director of development, which means that's the guy who stamps the green light approval, whether or not this thing's going to air.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He was a partner with Warner.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Warner's the parent company to HBO. Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So now I know. So, so now I'm saying to myself, all right, like, and, and, and Corey gave me all these little ins and outs, like, listen, everybody talks to each other in this business through their attorneys. So I reached out to them first. I was like, Hey guys, you know, I really appreciate like that. You guys thought I was good enough to be on HBO.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That's like, you know, people work their whole careers and can't make it on HBO. So I was like, thank you. I was like, is there any way I can... Basically, I asked, can I have credit for my work? I'll keep writing for free. I just want... Think about the credit I would have, having credits at 25, having produced something on HBO. That's... I'm the next Spielberg.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Too late. Because we don't know what you're talking about.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So now... The dating show element was missing, though, because it was two separate shows. I wanted to marry him because that would have been way more of a roller coaster ride of drama, which would have been more of an entertaining reality show to me than what the typical project.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But it was all about casting my friends. Right. So. I call them up. I call them up now. I went down to Miami for a weekend to meet up with one of my friends who lives out in L.A. and a couple of my buddies from here that we all went to. Most of us went to school in Florida. So we go down there. Is this the kid from L.A. 's birthday? His name's Garrett Mirowski. And.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, that's the best part about it is that my lawyer, the premise here is that I pitched these two shows and they're on HBO now.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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he's, you know, we're celebrating his birthday. We're going out, we're doing this, we're doing that. The next morning I wake up and I, and I had been out, I met this, I met this kid. He was a YouTuber, a finance YouTuber that I knew. I met some artists. I met, I was like, guys, I got a bunch of people for cast. I call them first thing that next morning.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I was like, I'm down to my, and they, and they wanted me to go watch fake famous, but I told them I wasn't going to watch it. Cause I, I was like, I don't want to watch somebody else's show that's kind of like ours. There was a few red flags along the way.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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One of them having been right after I pitched this show and got passed off the GFY, I called my attorney to tell him, hey, I need, you know, I had these guys all signed the NDA, but I need a contract for them now because they're going to, you know, we're going to do this thing. My attorney goes, stop everything you're doing. Whoever you're working with isn't who they say they are.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They're HBO and they're ripping you off. I was like, and I had known previously that they represented HBO. It was something he had told me like years and years prior. So I'm like, I think this guy just commit malpractice, you know? So I kept that on the back burner, right? Now, the next thing that came to was a warning was one of the meetings I went up to go to GFY studio up in Peekskill.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And on my way up there, the guy who was bringing me, who was driving me up, you know, he happened to know who they were. He happened to know the studio location. He goes, you know, Jack, do you know where you're going right now? I was like, yeah. I was like, my family friend set me up with these guys. Like, you know, it's probably all good, blah, blah, blah. And just be careful.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know, I've brought people here before. This isn't. You should be careful. I didn't think anything of it, but I asked him later. He goes, you know, when I brought I was like, so remember after that, I realized the shows were robbed. He goes, when you told me to be careful about that place, like why?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He goes, well, I brought somebody there once and they told me their job was to that they film porn up there. And their job was to use the flashlight while they were filming when they needed like spotlighting. this guy's telling me. So I'm like, all right. So that had been red flag number two.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I was going up there to get robbed, but right. So now, so now, so now, you know, I had two red flags. This next red flag comes when I, these guys tell me about fake famous. I was like, I'm not going to watch that. Thanks for the, thanks for the look, but you know, I'm going to make my show. They didn't really know what to do. On all those video recordings, they kind of freeze.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Bro, listen.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They're like, well, I'm going to watch it, so you should probably watch it. They were trying to edge me in.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I tried. I tried. I called hundreds of attorneys, and they all told me, sorry, kid. This is how it goes.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Every attorney I talked to basically represented HBO. They didn't want to go up against HBO. The attorney I finally found that we're dropping this case with had the set of balls that I was looking for from the get-go. He goes, I don't play golf at their country clubs. I don't give a shit who we're suing.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So I was like... You're the man.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, no, no. I'm taking, I'm taking the little Wayne approach. Little Wayne was featured on every artist across the board that would let them be featured on. And that's how we built this brand. Cause now you looked up little Wayne and, and everybody everywhere, you know?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They meet each other at the Beverly Hills Hotel and we smooth it all over.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They tell us.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That was all I asked. And I just asked for it. I knew I had them by the balls. And remember, I was videotaping everything.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That's the only way to do it. Um, do it. It's recognition.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Everything. So every time they mocked me, every time they acted like it wasn't mine. You know, one of the recordings, one of my favorite recordings, the guy says to me, oh, they didn't even have the idea.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Who had the idea?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know, so one of the, one of the, but, but the, but the reason I really, really knew I have had this thing was because of the attorney. So I knew when my attorney told me you're getting robbed by HBO.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Who knew better than him?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I don't know.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. That's what everybody tells you. Oh, don't do that. Don't do that. It's like, well, you know what? You can't cancel me. I'm already canceled.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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The only thing I can do is use it as a springboard.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. You're not stealing from me with no repercussion.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Dude, I've said all I said was put my name on my shit.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know, there's that there was that meme that went around a while. Put some respect on my name. You know, all I was all I was asking for was credit.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I didn't even ask for money. And I had every right to ask for money. Now I'm asking for money.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Let's start from the beginning. I guess we were talking about growing up anyway. So my, I grew up in this community amongst, you know, substantial people, I would say. And one of which was, became a good family friend. Um, I, I, I met him. I went to school with his daughter in the first grade. Um, His name's Corey Rooney.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Now I'm asking for money. Now I'm asking for money and everything that's rightfully mine.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, so my attorney Lobe & Lobe, which is a big time white collar law firm, they are like, I had a big retainer up with them. I had a $10,000 retainer up with them, which isn't chump change for a kid. The way I look at it. I still look at myself as a kid. My dad keeps telling me, you're a man, people are gonna treat you like that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'm like, yeah, but they still look at you like you're young, you don't know, you're wet behind the ears.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But it's always about making a deal, right? So this law firm, this 30-year veteran tells me, you're getting robbed by HBO. And I'm like, how could you possibly know that? And how could I be getting robbed by HBO? Until Good For You Productions, GFY tells me, hey, go check out the show on HBO. Right now, it didn't even click at that moment.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It clicked after I called them and told them about my friend Garrett and that I'm down here for his birthday and that, you know, I met I have him for a cast and I have all the other cast members that they call him two hours later and cast him to be on the dating show. Two hours later, I called them at nine o'clock in the morning. You're not going to let me leave town.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, it was almost like they had to mock me. They needed me to know that they took it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So his girlfriend says to me now, I pitched this whole thing as a documentary style reality show. They told me on the audio, that's a novel concept. We never heard of it before. So his girlfriend, who was on one episode of Love Island before she couldn't even make the cut, says, her and I and him are walking around this pool looking for a place to sit.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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The whole place is packed at the SLS in Brickell. And amongst, you know, just, it was a Friday afternoon and it seemed like nobody worked.

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and uh i want to say it was a friday anyhow it was a few years ago so now she says so i'm her and i are only walking now i had no idea where he went he just completely disappeared didn't say a word i i was like lauren where did garrett go she's like oh you didn't hear like hear what right she goes well he's gonna be on hbo's first ever documentary style reality show

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i was like and i i get the chills right even now saying it because i could feel like that moment of like oh my god he's gonna be on my show right so i reach in my phone i reach in my pocket i pull my phone out i like i youtube it really quick i'm like fake famous right that's what they told me it was called yet like two days ago i was like this is it this is the show he's gonna be on it he's gonna be on and she's like

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Really? Like, how do you know? And she like actively watched this trailer. I was like, this is my show. He's going to be on my show. And I'm watching the trailer for the first time with the phone in her hand. Like, he's going to be on my show. I have a show on HBO. I like, I lost my cool. I was, I mean, my friends thought I was like clinically insane that day.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But you know, they didn't live my life. I was like, they made this thing so quickly. I can't even fathom. So I was like, they made the show without me. I got to make myself somebody now. So I ran the Instagram ad that I wanted to run when I was going to shoot the thing and run this Instagram ad. Hi, I'm Jack Uji. I'm the executive producer at Flip Productions. Have you ever wanted to be famous?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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If you Google him and you pull up some of his accolades, Corey Rooney is Jennifer Lopez. He is Mariah Carey. He is Mary J. Blige. He wrote every record for all of these people. He's worked with Michael Jackson. And this was a guy that at six years old said to me, five years old, because I was young for my grade, five years old said to me, hey, you play the piano?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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This thing took off. The ad went nuts. I got like 18,000 views like overnight. And then I paused it and I took it down because I was like, I was getting comments from the guy who supposedly was the credited guy on this thing. His name is Nick Bilton. He's a journalist. So now I knew I had them.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I had hired another attorney when my attorney seemed that a friend of mine's dad was an entertainment attorney. So I hit him up too. And I was like, yo, I have Loeb and Loeb. They seem a little sketchy. They're telling me about their other client. He goes, yeah, and they're expensive. I'm not going to be that much. So I was, you know, my friend's dad, it was comfortable. So I call him up.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'm like, dude, I got robbed by HBO. These guys were HBO. Loeb told me. And and he just this was like a like a little beyond him. He ultimately told me he's like, you know, I haven't dealt with something like this.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He's like, but why would they do that if they signed an NDA? You own them. And that's when it clicked that I had to figure out how this worked. And I said to him, well, I'm going to call back Loeb. He goes, good. Then, you know, keep keep recording, record them to now. Right. So now I call up Loeb and I record them.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And I get them to admit on the recording, like they tried to, they basically asked for representation. Just me asking them questions. They asked for representation. They said, this isn't, this really isn't going well. I got to get somebody else on this call.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Because I called them out. You know, I had these two partners stuttering over each other. And I was like, you remember our last call? Like you guys told me this, this all sounded a lot like the HBO, what was going to be on HBO sound like the, you know, whether I pitched the dating elements or I pitched the, or I pitched the influencer elements and we get on them.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I played a coy and they, and all of a sudden I was like, so I want to talk to you guys. You guys said, I like, like what's up with this fake famous, the guy pretends to Google. You can hear, he's like, He's not even, the keyboard's not even clicking. And he goes, F-A-K-E, F-A-M-O-U-S. Okay, now I got it pulled up.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. So I was like, holy shit. Like even these, even these attorneys are actors, you know, I'm like, everybody's an actor.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So now, so now I get, so he goes, I never said any of this. I don't know. Did you say this? He passes it off to his partner and his partner goes, uh, no, but maybe we did because it was in the tray within the day or so before the call. I was like, bingo. Now I got my attorney admitting they told me about this, that they may have told me about this.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But come on. You wouldn't have said maybe if he wasn't. The layman, when you're showing this amongst the court and to peers, just because you said maybe, are people going to believe it or not? Right. Well, I think people...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I got five coincidences already right here.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know? And once you hit five coincidences, probability says there's a 99% chance it's no longer coincidence.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So we didn't even get to the dating show, but now I got these guys pinned. And... And I'm videotaping everything. So throughout the process, I'm like, I'm really going to actually make the documentary about how to become famous now. You know, because I'm going to I'm going to if this whole thing is a story like Tiger King was.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I got, you know, it's the same as that movie Big Fat Liar I was referencing where the kid is gets ripped off by the Hollywood producer.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Why don't you come over and hang out? And I was like, you're my parents age. Like, I don't know if I can hang out with you, you know? But by the time I got to high school, I was like, holy shit, this guy is like a Grammy award winning multi-platinum record producer. And he wants to hang out with me. And he, and he used, and he showed up to, he showed up, he used to come to my piano recitals.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And he videotaped the guy admitting it. So I go through. So now for months I'm playing on the defense with these guys. I kept changing ideas. I mean, they got really impatient with me. I kind of felt bad for the amount of time I wasted at some point. But. They ripped me off. So I built my evidence.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So I slowly questioned and asked all these things and I slipped it in like I was feeding them more information, but I wasn't really feeding them information anymore. And every call we had, I would change the concept. Then I blew off a call because I wanted to see what would happen. Next thing you know, my friend Garrett calls me from the set.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Kid's only got 20 minutes a week to use his phone, supposedly. On a bunch of the podcasts he talked about after the fact, he said we didn't even have phone access. We were isolated. So who knows which one's true, but one of which must be. And if he had 20 minutes a week, he used it to call me.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know, he wasn't calling his mother. Like, so... And and and when I cast when I after they cast him to be on the show, I run back an audio for him of one of my interviews. I played the guys I played. I played all the team members at GFY and I didn't play any information that was content about the show. I made sure to like really pick what I was showing him.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And I play back three seconds of the man's voice, the woman's voice, and the other guy's voice. And at the woman's voice, he's like, play that back. I mean, I played it back for him 15 times. And he goes, I really think that's who cast me. I was like, okay, sign this NDA. And will you testify in court if that's true? He's like, of course, like I got, you know.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That's what he tried to spin it with when I, when I recorded them. So I have, I have an interview I did with him for like two hours that I just, I just wanted to make sure I got him admitting it. I was like, yo, Garrett, really as my friend, you're going to spin this now and say that that didn't happen. Yeah, no, it did. It did.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So I like, I covered my, but I couldn't, I couldn't believe I'm like, you know, everybody's out for themselves no matter what, you know, it's so you really think people are your friends. So I slowly start piecing this thing together and I'm calling hundreds of attorneys. I mean, will you take this? Will you take this? Will you take this? Some of them like, you got 20 hours?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Who wants to watch 20 hours of footage? So after like six months, I was like, you know what? I got to clip out the elements and put them together for them. So I ended up going to this, I went to this one firm in the city that I play back the footage for this guy. And I spent like three weeks. I clipped out all these important things and it's like very rudimentary editing.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It's like, you know, the guy goes, yeah, they didn't even have the idea. Oh, yeah, you can make the show in three days and make it look like it took place over the year. Oh, yeah, we had enough time to edit that to make that documentary. I showcased the lawyer committing malpractice. That's when like they all like perked up on the edge of their seat.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He came to, you know, I was learning, I was a DJ, I DJed for a time and it was, you know, just like, I didn't get to be creative enough. So I didn't stick with it for long, but he came, you know, I, I did a club, a small little like club in Manhattan and he was there with, with, with his entourage and his family and his brother-in-law.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They're like, we can make some money with this kid. But same thing, like you said, if you're not going to pay us, not going to pay us thirty five grand.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And they wanted, and they were like, we're going to, we want to do this tight and quick. We want to go after the attorney for committing malpractice. And then, and then, you know, we'll back into your credit like that. I'm like, dude, I want to go after the law firm too. Cause you know, I have my own issues with the law firm, but like, I got to get credit, man.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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If I don't get credit, then I don't have a career. So I just kept on the horse. And I and I when I finally was at the point a year and a half in of like, I can't do this anymore. I started calling PR firms. I was like, I got to just build a reputation for myself. The first PR firm I call. He goes, well, have you hired a lawyer? Man, I just spent like I just called 110 of them.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He goes, no, you just didn't call the right ones. Call this guy. I call him. He's like, yeah, I'll take it. And that was it. Like from then on, I've been putting it together for like the last eight months. And, you know, tomorrow's launch day.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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The complaint. Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I mean, we sent them letters, you know, Hey, I have, I mean, my friend Garrett calls me after the show. My friend Garrett was in on it by the end. He had, he calls me and he goes, Hey, what's up? I just won your show. You know, like that's like, I have this shit on recording dude. And then I have another one. He goes, come on, bro. We know what happened. They just took, they just sold the show.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like, great. You're going to,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. Like, basically, he's telling me, oh, just move on. They sold the show. Like, dude, like, and he's like, I got fucked out of money, too. Which is, this is the most ironic part of the whole thing. The kid goes on the show, right? They film this whole show. If he dumped the girl, he got 100 grand in the end. If he picked to split it with the girl and stay together, they split 50.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He dumped the girl for the 50 grand, for the 100 grand.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He calls me to tell me he won the show and then he won the hundred grand.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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The show was already filmed to that point. What they really did was the, the produce like STX, which, which that, which was the production company that produced the show, which that guy at grand street media was partners with. Also, he wasn't only partners with Warner. He was partners with STX. So that's the front business. You know, it was, it was like no different than like the mob.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And like, you know, his, his wife and my mom were best friends for years and years. So like, it was, you know, he was a family friend that I've just hang out with. And I looked up to him, you know, I mean, how could you not, right? Like I'm, I'm in high school. I'm 16 years old. I'm 15, 16 years old. My mom's dropping me off at his house to hang out with because I wasn't old enough to drive.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They had a front business and a back.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I know.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So, so, so they had, so with the, yeah, I feel like the average American misses that, but no, no, no, they don't, they don't understand it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yes, they would. The truth of the matter is they made millions off of me.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No. Right. Right. Right. Right. Like, like you own this right now.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, but essentially you only, well, the audio is, the audio is copyrightable.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. That's fine. But most, most people would be like, yo, but you got to give me production credit. Cause I helped you to produce now. Yeah. I want 20% cause I made a phone call. Yeah, bro. Exactly.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, that's what I've been calling it too. Listen, my family friend, that guy Corey, told me when we were out working on a movie I wanted to make, he said to me, I'm writing a show right now about a guy who's in prison. And metaphorically, I took this as my roadmap when I realized I was ripped off by his friends. And whether he said it for that intention or not, somehow it fit.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But he said to me, I'm writing a story right now about a guy who's in jail and he breaks out. Nice. Rather, rather, I'm sorry. The guy was in jail, and while he's in jail, he figures out how to solve everybody else's crime, but he can't solve his own. To the point that he studies every legal book in the prison and becomes a lawyer without passing the bar, but he becomes a lawyer.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And I wanted to be in that industry, not knowing how or what and how it worked. And I'm sitting with him and we're hanging out watching the Knick game. And you get the phone call and he's like, yo, Puff, what up? Like, Puff.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. So now, he goes, this guy is helping all the other criminals to do whatever, but the only way for him to get out is for him to Basically to break out. Yeah. It was the intention.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And I'm like, I'm like, is that the mentality? That's the mentality of the entertainment business. You know, if, if, if this breaking out, I'm very like metaphorical.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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If the whole premise is like breaking out, you know, you can help everybody else, but you have to break out to break yourself out. Nobody's going to help you when the time comes.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And he wants me to come over and hang out. Next thing I know, his friends are putting my stuff on HBO. You know, like, like, I don't know how else to put it, but like, I didn't think they were out to get me. I thought this guy, I looked up to him.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Nobody's going to help you.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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If you don't grab it by the... Listen, I spent the last two years of my life

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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fighting for this for this thing and whether it's whether whether jesus wants it for me or not we'll find out you know right only one is will anyway but but this is the most but i have like i've worked so hard for this thing that like i can't believe it at this you know the the method and the path and like where it's common where it's going um when it's funny when i was in um

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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The long version.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He's like, yo, Puff, say what up to my boy, Jack. I'm like, am I talking to P Diddy right now? You know? And that was like, that was like my high school around this thing. So I'm like, wow, this is really something I'm, you know, have the ability to be a part of this guy's. And this guy's like so generous with his time with me, you know? So I, um, I chased the dream.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You got to actually...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, my gosh.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That's awesome.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I chased what was my dream, was to follow and end up in this business. I worked for a few years with my dad, and it wasn't really the... You went to school, right? You went to college. I went to school. I went to school down in Florida, actually. I went to school in Boca. I... Left school, I graduated, I went home, I worked in finance with my dad for a bit, saved every penny and stayed home.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You got nothing to lose.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That's what they don't get. See, everybody's coming at it. When everybody told me that you can't go fight this fight, you're never going to have a career, I'm like, I got nothing to lose. They took my work already.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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When I have no career.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Ready to roll. And I'm a free agent now.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It still is three publishers.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That's all the distribution stuff. But like the producing stuff, look, at the end of the day, I know how to produce, but I can write my own stuff and I can direct my own stuff.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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The, but like producing is just putting all the pieces together. Right. And, and like most people have the ability to produce, you have an iPhone, you go pick up one of these body mics that, you know, I'm wearing and like all of a sudden you're, you're, you can, you can put the pieces together to make this thing.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Iron King brought in $309 million and they've shot half that shit on a camcorder in the moment.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, exactly. That's kind of, so that was, this sort of thing has been my mentality is that's what I was going to turn this into is the documentary about how it works. And like, and this is the heart of what I've been trying to get to with you. And I always get on a tangent because I care about like the, what in my mind is the art of how I was going to make this thing and how it got botched.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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but is the fact that the industry is designed to do this. And the way it's designed to do this is so simple, but nobody can follow it. And the premise is that all these production companies are 1099 independent contractors, and they utilize this 1099 independent contractor structure as- Yeah, because now what I'm going to do is I'm going to sue GFY Productions, which is probably worthless.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Maybe it's got $20,000 in it, which is what they allocated to what would be a first-time union wage. So I didn't want to be a union worker, but they're using the 1099 structure to be a union worker. So you sue this little nothing company, you take everything, and it's like basically what Warner wanted to pay for the idea. Walt Disney stole all land for the park.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I don't know if you know that story.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And, you know, while most of the kids around me were all moving out and doing their own thing and like, you know, starting their own lives. We graduated college, they got careers, they were working nine to five and punching a ticket to make somebody else rich. I was like, I had a mentor in college that taught me how business worked. And this was a friend of my dad's from high school age.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Exactly. And that's and that's what these guys did with my work. Right. I didn't know what was happening. They teased me. They mocked me. There's all you know, if I just put all the mocking together, it's its own, you know, video.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Listen, it's a series like Tiger King. There's 10 episodes and whatever else. And I already copyrighted it, so I'm good. But the whole thing, it's going to get published in the courts now. But I'm just trying to... I can't stop them. Right. You and I can't stop them. But what we can do is we can bring recognition to it and we can say, look, this is a structure.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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This is the structure that their attorneys created for them because the attorneys are probably some of the biggest corrupt other than the politicians. I mean, we don't even have to go down that path. But but like, you know, the attorneys more than likely establish this structure for them. so that they can go out and call the concepts parallel ideas, which is what they constantly told me.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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We liked what you were saying, but it was really just kind of a parallel idea to the network.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And then you know what that does? You know why they do that? It skirts the NDA.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So now you've skirted the NDA and you've said that that's not valuable.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Then all these 1099 structures, which are set up in case you could beat that NDA charge. Like now you have these 1099 structures in place, like in a circle where they just pass the shit around.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yep. We'll just do another production company right there.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Same group, same everybody. And that's all they do is they just hop around. Look, I learned in finance how this works because in the brokerage business, my dad's in the brokerage business. for the 30 years and equity derivative brokerage. And there was these big players and they call them IDBs, the inter-dealer brokers.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They're no different than like a facilitation desk at a bank, but they're independents. So they connect all the customers. These IDBs use 1099s basically for legal slavery. So the way that they do it is, if you're a broker and you have a track record of producing a million, two million, three million in commissions a year, they'll front you like 500 grand in a 1099 as a debt forgiveness.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Then what they do is, this is all perfectly legal, but then what they do is you now go work for them and they paid you 500 grand upfront and you gross a million bucks for the year. you had to pay 250 in taxes on that. And now they pay you a little bit of a difference. And you use that to go pay your taxes now at the end of the year.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Because nine out of 10 guys were street guys who didn't know any better. They're like, I got 500 grand in cash in my bank account. And they spent it. So now you're in debt to that company. And they'll give you another 1099 the next year. And hopefully you learn better. But more than likely, you need that next 500 grand to pay the taxes on the last 500 grand.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And he built one of them. He went to the same school I went to. And when I was down there, he used to come down and hang out. And he said, when I first started in college, he said, so what are you studying there? I said, entrepreneurship. He goes, you're going to learn that from a book? Really old school, like Italian delivery, sort of a guy. You're going to learn that from a book.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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because you probably broke even. And then they keep this train going. So when I realized that my attorney told me what these guys were doing, and I saw that it was this 1099 thing, I saw that they were playing with the same 1099 structure that I had just come from in finance. So I was like, huh. They just pass it off instead of using the 10. You know, they just pass it from 1099 to 1099.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It's hot potato. OK, and they're all independent of of the network, you know, the network, because all the network has to say is we didn't facilitate that. Right. I wasn't really sorry you you you dealt with a production company like that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They all knew. And the reason I can prove that now, which is why I'm fighting this, is because I got the lawyer on tape.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, I got the same thing. I got the same thing. My, my, this guy, this guy that's representing me. I mean, you know, he's represented Rick Ross or gone up against him one or the other. And he, he beat the New York Yankees, which is like definitely a feat.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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We're dealing with those guys. That's so crazy. I love that. That was one of the movies throughout this thing that I was like, that's how this all works.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, because they're just crazy, right? It's a couple of young guys who got a little too much money. Well, no, it's not that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, I don't know. He goes, I'm an entrepreneur. You want to learn how to be an entrepreneur? I'm going to teach you how to be an entrepreneur. So that was it. He took me under his wing and he taught me business, you know, better than somebody at my age should have known. And it was all about, you know, engaging in the in the mentor.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I think they were down in the continuum. They were living. Or at least in the movie they had them in the continuum. It's a building in South Beach.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But that character was a real character.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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The, uh, the terrorist.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I always believed that you learn so much more from the person doing it than the person reading it to you. You know, and I followed I followed. So I followed. So I so I so I came back home. I finished school. I worked and I saved every single penny. And I lived like I was still on a college budget for like three years.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That whole, the whole part about repacking the ammo is real.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, that's crazy.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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The truth of the matter is, is it's just like in that, in the movie, like the linchpin of the whole thing is like somebody, there's always, you know, my conspiracy belief about the whole, about life is that there's like some evil, evil doer all the way atop all the money and power and control.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And they're doing, and we're all just slaves to like the banking system sort of a thing where somebody wanted to fund that transaction.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know, they made it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, no, exactly. But that's being an artist, I think. I think that's totally different.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I just want to be... I want to expose the truth. Yeah, that's... It's a dangerous game, though.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Saving every dime, every possible dime I had during covid, the world, the world changed. I started to look at the world and realize, like, you know what, if I don't pick up now and do what I'm passionate about, I'm never going to do it. I'm just going to sit here and punch the ticket like everybody else. It's just, it wasn't working for somebody. It wasn't for me. Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, because it said that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They're like, you know, it's like like I don't I wouldn't be sitting here telling my story today if I didn't believe that Jesus was Lord.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They're going to come after. They're going to come after. They're going to try and silence me for that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I know.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It only proves further that it's all real because, you know, if they're, then they're worshiping the beast.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I, uh, I took all of my, I took all of this money I saved up. which I invested properly and I doubled. I was in finance, I was dealing with it. I was playing the market. I saw trends and what was going on and I made a couple of good calls. I made some bad ones too. But I had enough that I could have produced my own reality show. And that was the premise.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I really don't. No, I don't. Can I tell, here and there I've listened to it, but I got to tell you the truth of the whole thing is when this all went down and I realized that all media is just a lie, I stopped consuming all of it. Cold turkey.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He's like, it's not religion. It's a relationship.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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All you have to do is try.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That's it. Just try, just try, try and spread the gospel. Just try to do your best when you know, you got to try when you know. Right. Cause like, look, as, as we all, we all have that inherent wanting to like, I could just do that. You know? Yeah. Like, no, I can do that and get away with it and no one will know.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But it's when you stop, I fully, full heartedly believe it's when you stop and you say, I know I could, but I'm not gonna.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know, that that that because like there's something more than all this.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, they sold out, bro. They you know, I just don't listen.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Miserable, Zach, that's my point. Listen, I don't even want to go to this element because I don't want to sell myself like this, but I grew up around a lot of people with a lot of money. My dad worked for a multi-billionaire.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So like, you know, this was, I was like the entry level of that society, you know, but like, but we were, you know, my dad is not that well, like my dad's well off, but he's not like those guys.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know, those guys make, those guys have so much money, they could buy you, you know? And, and I grew up with a lot of friends in that, that grew up like that. You know, I went to school with people who were like, not Rothschilds, but like maybe were, you know, or like, like they were founders of America and all these sorts of things.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And I'm like, all these kids, it's like my portfolio, my trust fund, my this, my that. I remember coming home and ask my parents, what's a trust fund? And them being like, don't worry about it. And I was like, I don't ever have to worry about it. I was like, well, what are these kids talking about? You know?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But, but that was like, I, but, but the more and more you look around, like nobody's happy. And what it proves is like, no matter how much money you have, you can't buy that. You, you, you can. And, and that's what I found in the gospel.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So Corey set me up with some of his buddies in the industry. Unbeknownst to me,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I know people in that circle. Listen, the mentor I told you about, the first mentor I told you, my mentor who taught me business, he was one of the largest pork dealers, pork purveyors in all of America. You've eaten his pork. He supplies Boar's Head, Stop and Shop, Walmart, BJ's Costco Price Club.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It's his pork. We all eat his pork if you eat pork. This man was one of the most successful business owner I knew personally. And the only difference and somebody I do know that is a billionaire told me the only difference between a medium sized business owner and a large business owner is the amount of money they started with.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And this guy started a medium sized business with five hundred dollars. So, you know, for those for those that don't know what a medium sized business is, that's something that grosses over one hundred million a year. Small businesses below 20. So this guy started this business on 500 bucks from his dad's sausage.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He had a sausage business and they turned it into he turned it into the largest pork distribution. He had so much money and I loved him to death, but he was depressed and he took and he took his own life.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. Corey's Corey mentored me too, but Corey's the record producer.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Listen, I was forced to rebuild. This whole show started for me as I was already in my own. I was depressed. And I went and I got myself help. I went to therapy. It was coming off my mentor hurting himself. But I had, I was in a dark place and this show was born out of a idea one day that I was like, if I had my whole dream of a fantasy of a life, like what would it be?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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If you Google Corey Rooney, you're going to, you're, you're, you're, you know, your eyes will pop out of your head when you see, you know, every song he's created.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It would be this reality show. And it came from journaling. But it was the thing I learned really fast was, and I knew I was depressed about it. I said, when I got into asking for help and going to therapy, and it was like, build me with no ego. I remember going to one of my first sessions with my therapist. I said, rebuild me with no ego. I'm torn down now.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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We need to go from the ground up and I want to not care about stuff. What car I drive, how much you have, what kind of house you live. None of it matters.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That matters. Your relationships with people matter.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'm tangent, I can go on tangents. Every one of those production meetings was supposed to be 30 minutes. And I did two hours because I was looping and pulling the little details. But like, you know, listen, at the end of the day, like it comes down, you know, from human to human, like, that's all that this is about. It's about like, we all don't. My joke.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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My joke always was like growing up, like, what's even going on right now?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Cause everyone was a hit. Um, and so I came out at, so I, so I went and spent some time. He moved, he moved from our community here out to LA after high school when I was in college. So after college, I went out and I spent like a weekend with, it was like three days. He was like, you want to make, cause I wanted to make a movie at that point. He's like, come out, hang out. We'll do whatever.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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None of it matters. It's because, you know why? It's the, it's the child in you. It's the being, it's the, it's the kid. It's the, like, it's that part of you that is that innocent part of you that like somehow still exists, even though we've been beaten and battered by like guys who created a 1099 structure, bend me over and stick it as far up as they could. You know, like that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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See, and that was the whole for me. Listen, that was it's funny because that's why I recorded the whole thing as the development meetings, because I wanted to. That's why I know I had Jesus on my side, too, because I recorded who thinks to record all the meetings. I thought I was recording all the meetings because that was going to be the gold.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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The making it was going to be the... Look, I'm excited now about it. That's what you want to see. It was like when I was a kid, the greatest, my favorite part of any movie was the outtakes. Remember? They don't even do that anymore.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I want to film...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I know that was my, that was what started me off as a filmmaker.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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iPhone's incredible. I filmed, I filmed this thing, the press release for the news that we're going to run on my phone with the three lights I got set up here now and a body mic. And like, you'd think that I shot it on a, on a Ari.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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The news promo? Yeah. Potentially. I mean, I think they were using it to shop, but yeah, we can. Uploading it as uploading. It's a bitch.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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We have bad Wi-Fi.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yo. What up? I'm Jack Pucci, Flip Productions. I did a thing this morning. I filed a lawsuit against HBO because I believe they stole the concepts for a show I created called Insta Famous and turned it into two shows on their network, Fake Famous and FBoy Island. Maybe you saw these shows, maybe you didn't, but you've probably watched hundreds of shows just like it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So I showed up and like the last thing I wanted to do was like take too much of their privacy away. And I was like, they had me at their house and I was like, I'll be here. I was like, I won't stay long. I'll be quick. You know, I think they were like, you're leaving already sort of thing on my way out the door. I was like, yeah, you guys showed me what I need. Like, thank you.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Ones that were stolen from the person who created it. And not just HBO, but on any of the major networks. There was even a movie based on the concept of stealing concepts. big fat liar about a teenage boy whose creative writing assignment was stolen by a Hollywood producer.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I learned for myself, though, how the whole system worked in 2021 when I brought my concepts to a friend in the industry who introduced me to another guy who passed me off to a production company that supposedly specialized in turning concepts into reality shows. What I didn't know was they all worked for HBO.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And not directly, but through an intricate and clever system built by HBO's lawyers that relies on a network of independent contractors who are trained to find the best concepts and pass them along to the network. Then, as the independent studio works with the creator, the information continues to get funneled back through the chain up to the network and added to the show already in production.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Then, in my case, before the creator even got to pitch the show, I was mocked with it and learned that there was already a similar show lined up, and I was encouraged to go back to the drawing board. Someone had a parallel idea was the legal and deceptive, unprovable term used to describe the ongoing supposed coincidence. that more than one person can have the same idea at roughly the same time.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And so the network can't be accused of theft. Well, I have proof that it's not just a coincidence. I have more than 20 hours of audio video recorded evidence that's admissible in court that proves without and beyond reasonable doubt that Fake Famous and FBoy Island were stolen from me.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Because my concept was meant to be a documentary about how someone becomes famous, I began recording all of my development meetings with GFY and Grand Street Media, as well as my attorneys, who simultaneously represented HBO, by the way. Yeah, I represent HBO. What they revealed in these calls is nothing short of living proof that the system is designed for theft.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Dave Chappelle called it a game of three-card Monty that the industry plays time and time again. And they do it to steal and collect show concepts. I had even suggested some cast members for the show I was pitching. And one of them, Garrett Morosky, was cast to be the star of FBoy Island. What's up? What's up, brother?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I came back and he had set me up before this. He had set me up with some of his buddies in film and TV. I didn't know who these guys were. unbeknown to me, these guys had were HBO, you know, they had, but, but not in the way you thought they were because the way that these production companies operate is where like the illicit structure sort of begins.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Garrett later admitted to me that a producer at GFY was the person who cast him to be on the show, which he ended up winning. I realize this is a classic Jack versus the Giant story, but I'm up to a challenge.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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While this is far from the first time someone has come forward claiming theft of an original work by the networks, it is the first time someone's presented the argument that the independent 1099 contractors have been used as a clever way for studios to keep themselves insulated from anyone successfully suing them for theft of intellectual property.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Others before me have tried to take on these entertainment behemoths, but they're always shut down in the, oh yeah, prove it phase of the fight. And without the solid evidence that a concept's been stolen, all those creators, producers, writers, directors before me were rowing upstream without a paddle. And with my evidence, I'm not only fighting for me, but I'm fighting on behalf of the truth.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I have an outboard engine, and I'm not going to stop until the truth's revealed and the big fat liars are taken to task. The bullies of this industry have had their day. And today belongs to the little guys, the creators whose ideas, until now, have routinely been snatched away with little recourse, more than hush money if they got lucky. But this little producer's soul is not for sale.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I have the worst Wi-Fi on earth. And it rained yesterday here, so like, you guys had the monsoon all weekend we had?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, we had the craziest rain all weekend. Because it rained, the Wi-Fi is even slower. It'll take three days to dry out.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Listen, listen, all the publicity I can get. That's kind of my objective here is like, I, you know, like my key points are like this, the business is built to steal. Um, I mean, granted we just did it all.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I don't know what the plan is right now. Those guys are running it. The guys that you spoke with, Jesse and Brian. I don't know if you spoke with Jesse or Brian.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Gotcha.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, I want to go on everybody I possibly can. I would love to go on Danny.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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i i've been i've been i've been i don't even get return return phone calls from danny yeah i've i've been following danny since he did ben mala's show oh yeah oh my gosh i was like and like i hate to smack talk ben's show but like when danny did ben's show it was amazing yeah and then they all disappeared so i can't even like when i tell people about it i'm like i can't show you the old concrete ones

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, I know. Danny's just an amazing editor.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You can see it in the editing.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It's his, it's his, cause like with the way he would deliver Ben. Oh my gosh. I mean, Ben is like one of the funniest characters ever to exist to me.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You've heard like the Chappelle talking about, um, have you seen Chappelle's unforgiven?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I know. You have to show it. You just have to show... It's like any good director. They show both faces. They give you this side and that side sort of thing when they're telling a story. We wouldn't do it of ourselves because we all want to be like, look, this is my... If we need that grandiose narcissism that we all have somewhere.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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where he talks about how he got fucked by the industry and the industry's fucking people the same way as the Me Too movement.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, no, you're coming across that way. I know. Listen, that was therapy for me. Enough people told me.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know, you know, the best way to handle it is you got to go watch Mr. Rogers.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He delivered everything the way we should treat each other.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So he had this adage where he said that the Me Too movement was exposing how the beast fucks physically. But I'm talking about how the beast eats. But it's still the same monster, you know, where the... They're just... It's just getting robbing the artist, robbing the creators.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What are you doing? Give them the photo and tell them, Hey, I want to like, this is like, if I ever hit that kind of level, the only, the thing I want to do, I literally am pulling it from Mr. Rogers's book is, is, is, or documentary rather is, can I take one too?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Then they tell all their buddies. Exactly. But you know what? Because that's what it's about. It's about being kind to each other. Because, you know, when you go outside the four walls that you're in right now, you don't know what's out there. We never know. And there's guys, there's people out there who want to screw us.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I grew up in this fantasy land that like, you know, everything was roses and, you know, holy crap, my family, friends, J-Lo's music producer, and he wants me to come over and hang out. Next thing I know, his friends are putting my stuff on HBO. You know, like, I don't know how else to put it, but like, I didn't think they were out to get me. I thought this guy, I looked up to him.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, these were like I thought that I just thought everything was like good, you know, and the world woke up and hit me in the face pretty hard. But and listen, and I and I always I always found the criminal mentality to be interesting because like we all have it. You know, unless you're like completely a robot to the system.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like you're always thinking like, well, if something, if I'm in this coffee shop and somebody came in here right now and hit this place, like, how am I getting out of here? Like that's, you know?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Because then you start to think about the process. Unless you just aren't capable of comprehending, we've all had the thoughts, but capitalism incentivizes that. And unfortunately, it incentivizes it to the point where everything's making a deal at the end, right? So when it came down to it, you had to turn over the money

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But I was listening to your show with the guy who had all the pot, and he was talking about how he had the gold bars. And I was like, dude, you should have been like, I don't have any money, man. I don't know what you guys are talking about.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I was like, it's all about making a deal. It's like, well, what's in it? You know, like, listen, even my thinking, my thinking goes back somewhat biblical to like thou shall not murder. Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So if if thou shall not murder and. And and there's two people in the street and in the hood in the projects and one person shoots another dead. That's that's a tragedy. Right. But now if one of them becomes a police officer, that's that's like, you know, it's somehow becomes legal.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And then if one of them happened to be a police officer against an undercover police officer, all of a sudden it's a tragedy again. And then, like, you know, you could keep.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But it's killing someone. Right. And that's, and that no matter what it's wrong.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Um, it becomes that me versus you now.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'm good at doing that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. Maybe we'll cut that part.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'm pulling the Chappelle. I'm boycotting until I get credited.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, yeah.

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Everybody says that. I love that movie. But you know what else is just as good and on parody is Charlie Wilson's War.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I love that. I put those movies in the same regard, though.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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they are though when you really think about it right because they're just cutting the deal it's all cutting the deal yeah but um charlie the charlie wilson's war is like you know it's based on at least it's factual all right fine we can throw one more in the mix uh and now i'm gonna forget the name of the lord of war yeah i love that one that's a great one that is a great one and the other one the other one is uh wag the dog

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And like, that's my premise here. That's what I'm trying to do. Whether I, whether I, All I want to do is show that to the people. Like, look, be careful of what media you consume. Be careful of what media you consume because it's so easy to fake it. Go watch Fake Famous. They make it look like it was done over the course of a year. But I'm telling you, they filmed that shit in three days.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Dude, what institute? We're in a studio. But that's the thing. And that's what I'm trying to say. It's so dangerous. The media's power and control over all of us is frightening. We don't even know. They're lying to us for all we know.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And then if it's really, really bad, like the Fox Dominion thing, they have a scapegoat and they cut a guy like Tucker Carlson and they're like, look, we did good. That's like that's what they do in a really horrible case. And now that guy's out of a job and has to figure out how to provide for his family again. You know, it's like, oh, listen, he's got a huge base.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He's probably going to make more money now than he ever made. And but but, you know, you put a guy out of work. It's like it's no different than killing him.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Come on, bro. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm trying to say here. It's like, can everybody just like... Just listen. All I want to do is all the people who care enough about their life, just stop watching so much media. Pick and choose what you're taking in because it's no different than what you watch and consume. You're consuming. Just protect yourself a little bit.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like we all, my generation, I can't stand, I can't go on a date without like, I'm competing with your fucking phone. Like, I'm like, no, I'm never going to meet anybody. You know, like, like how can I date you if I have to compete with like a device?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Look, do you see what this one's doing? You know how many of those days I've been on? Oh my gosh. And then you think all of a sudden if they put the phone away, you're like, wait a minute, this is a good one. Then they're a train wreck.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'm suing HBO.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That's, I mean, I've really fully focused on this for like the last two years of my life. And like some people would say I've wasted it, but I really think I'm going to do a good thing here. I really want to bring awareness to this. And like, and I know that it's like a pretty generic thing. People might skate over, but I want to, I want people to understand what you're consuming is, is so evil.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know, and, and, and unfortunately it comes down to the consumer because the consumer you'd remember, you'd remember, um, lime wire.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So LimeWire, most kids my age don't, but I remember LimeWire being a thing. So I was on the cutting edge of technology, so.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I was probably in the fourth grade, yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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We had a gateway computer in the basement that we were allowed to use for like an hour after school, like, you know, however my parents set the rules. And like my cousin from California was like, yeah, you got to check this thing out. It's called LimeWire. He's in third grade. What are you doing, you weirdo?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It's like, you can get everything you want. Just go online, wire, get down. And so all of a sudden, but anyhow, that was always the problem with, with the, with the, with the entertainment business is the consumer is stealing the product. They're always willing to take the product because everybody wants to be entertained.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'm trying to launch a production, my production company. I have my own works that are like totally up and they're ready to pitch and ready to go sort of thing. I want to make a couple of movies. That's kind of where I'm at.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Most of them are probably ready for pitch format. They're super rough, but ready to be pitched. They're not scripts yet, but I want to put the teams together and build my... I want to be a movie producer. I'm working towards being a movie producer. Okay.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'd like, and I'm looking for a studio that like, you know, like one of these other, I guess it's, I guess I might not have an, I might work, work a deal with Warner now, but like I might not. And if I didn't like, I'd be looking at like universal or Sony because those are the other two in the oligopoly. Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Um, I mean, my dream for it all would be that I collected a dollar off of every American and I started a network that was more like a, uh, uh, uh, a PBS sort of a thing where you could actually come and it would be fully self-sufficient. Because look, the stock market works how the stock market works. If you collected a dollar off every American, it'd be 300 million bucks, roughly.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And if that's making 8% a year in a traditional fund, if you spent 4% a year on making new content, you could give people content for free. You know, it's just that people aren't managing the money properly. And like, you know, if people want to be entertained for free, then so be it. Give it to them.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But then you get to make your money other places, selling merchandise, selling advertising revenue. So if I like really had it my way and this thing went crazy and I gained a ton of traffic, that's what I would love to raise money to do. It's a big dream. That's all I know how to do is think big. Wow.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'm worried about getting them stolen.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, no, nothing's that far down the pipes. Everything's, everything's just ready for pitch format. Cause you know, the truth of the matter is I learned from these guys at GFY, you could sell anything on paper. You know, as long as it's like good enough on paper, you should be able to sell it. I'm very, I'm not very, I'm very casual.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Using forgeries and bogus identities, Matthew B. Cox, one of the most ingenious con men in history, built America's biggest banks out of millions. Despite numerous encounters with bank security, state and federal authorities, Cox narrowly, and quite luckily, avoided capture for years. Eventually, he topped the U.S. Secret Service's most wanted list and led the U.S.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Marshals, FBI, and Secret Service on a three-year chase, while jet-setting around the world with his attractive female accomplices. Cox has been declared one of the most prolific mortgage fraud con artists of all time by CNBC's American Greed. Bloomberg Businessweek called him the mortgage industry's worst nightmare, while Dateline NBC described Cox as a gifted forger and silver-tongued liar.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Playboy magazine proclaimed his scam was real estate fraud, and he was the best. Shark in the Housing Pool is Cox's exhilarating first-person account of his stranger-than-fiction story. Available now on Amazon and Audible.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Pierre Rossini, in the 1990s, was a 20-something-year-old Los Angeles-based drug trafficker of ecstasy and ice. He and his associates drove luxury European supercars, lived in Beverly Hills penthouses, and dated Playboy models while dodging federal indictments. Then, two FBI officers with the Organized Crime Drug Enforcement Task Force entered the picture.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Dirty agents willing to fix cases and identify informants. Suddenly, two of Rossini's associates, confidential informants working with federal law enforcement, were murdered. Everyone pointed to Rossini. As his co-defendants prepared for trial, U.S. Attorney Robert Mueller sat down to debrief Rossini at Leavenworth Penitentiary. And another story emerged.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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A tale of FBI corruption and complicity in murder. You see, Pierre Rossini knew something that no one else knew. The truth. And Robert Mueller and the federal government have been covering it up to this very day. Devil Exposed. A twisted tale of drug trafficking, corruption, and murder in the City of Angels. Available on Amazon and Audible.

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Everybody's got this story.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Everybody's got this story. This is why it's so recognizable.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Matthew B. Cox is a conman incarcerated in the Federal Bureau of Prisons for a variety of bank fraud-related scams. Despite not having a drug problem, Cox inexplicably ends up in the prison's residential drug abuse program, known as RDAP, a drug program in name only.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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RDAP is an invasive behavior modification therapy specifically designed to correct the cognitive thinking errors associated with criminal behavior. The program is a non-fiction dark comedy which chronicles Cox's side-splitting journey. This first-person account is a fascinating glimpse at the survivor-like atmosphere inside of the government-sponsored rehabilitation unit.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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While navigating the treachery of his backstabbing peers, Cox simultaneously manipulates prison policies and the bumbling staff every step of the way. The program. How a conman survived the Federal Bureau of Prisons cult of RDAP. Available now on Amazon and Audible.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Exactly. Because that's the whole that's what they try and scare you into is don't sue us because then you're not a part of the gang anymore.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You'd just gotten back with a bunch of marijuana trapped you. You came in. Oh, yes.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Hey, this is Matt Cox. I'm going to be interviewing Brian O'Day. He is a former marijuana smuggler and a current filmmaker, and we're going to be I'm going to be interviewing him, and we're going to get into his story, and I appreciate you guys watching. Check out the video. Let's start at the beginning. Where were you born?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So you got 19 months?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It may freeze up a little bit. Yeah. But it's actually recording on both of our computers right now and it will upload.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So there shouldn't be any issues when it uploads.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Okay. The first time you went through, you got searched.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Of course, it's much harder to move, too. Yeah.

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It's like you can't walk through customers.

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Right. So how did that evolve? Did you go back to Columbia? Was this marijuana you were buying in Columbia? Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So what were you concerned with that customs was now or that they were now going to know how you were moving it?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I've interviewed several Canadians. On the show. So it's it's always amazes me at the, you know, the prison sentences are so in comparison, they're actually probably reasonable prison sentences. But in comparison to the U.S. prison sentences there, you know, they seem light sentences.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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because i couldn't stop is that is that why you moved to um to weed at that point was that part of it no that was that i moved to weed long before that

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Okay. How long did that go on?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But when I kind of, you know, if you step back and look at it and say, wait a second, like this guy is selling pot. He got 15 years. And it's like, are you like that? You know, where in Canada, it wouldn't be anything near that, you know, probably wouldn't go to jail. Right. Or I like a lot of times I would was locked up in the federal system with a bunch of guys from Canada.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Can I ask a question? Had you paid for the marijuana that was lost?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So you still owe them money for the marijuana?

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And they'd been locked up in Canada before. And they're like, yeah, I got five years. And I'm like, oh, wow. So how much time do you spend in jail? Oh, I didn't spend any time in jail. Like, well, how are you locked? Oh, no, no. They put you on an ankle monitor and you're at home. Like, that's not locked up. That's like, no, no, that's incarceration. I couldn't leave my living room in 1972.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So real quick, you feel that the $50,000, he was insulted and pissed. He was bitter because it was only $50,000. You feel like if you gave him the $250,000, he would have been like, okay, that's a good amount.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Here's $50,000. Go away. But if you gave him $250,000, you think he would have said, okay, well, this is going to continue.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Okay.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Using forgeries and bogus identities, Matthew B. Cox, one of the most ingenious con men in history, built America's biggest banks out of millions. Despite numerous encounters with bank security, state, and federal authorities, Cox narrowly, and quite luckily, avoided capture for years. Eventually, he topped the U.S. Secret Service's most wanted list and led the U.S.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

How Brian O'Dea Built a $240M Smuggling Empire

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Marshals, FBI, and Secret Service on a three-year chase, while jet-setting around the world with his attractive female accomplices. Cox has been declared one of the most prolific mortgage fraud con artists of all time by CNBC's American Greed. Bloomberg Businessweek called him the mortgage industry's worst nightmare, while Dateline NBC described Cox as a gifted forger and silver-tongued liar.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Playboy magazine proclaimed his scam was real estate fraud, and he was the best. Shark in the Housing Pool is Cox's exhilarating first-person account of his stranger-than-fiction story. Available now on Amazon and Audible.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So you grew up, I mean, state system, you're two parents, how old, brothers, sisters?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So you guys just allowed them to fall. So you set it up so that they could seize boats thinking that they were loaded up with the pot, but they weren't.

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How did that, how did, were you ever in trouble in high school and junior, you know, in middle school, anything, or is this? Well, they're in trouble.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And so did I. What kind of times you get compared to everybody else?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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How much?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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so i did two in two in the halfway house and i did six on parole and then four on probation and that's it yeah i always said that like it excuse me when i went to the halfway house i i would have per if i didn't need the money like i was coming out with no money if i didn't need to go to a halfway house and work to put some money together i would have preferred to have done the seven months in prison yeah much worse oh

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, I was. It's funny. I was locked up for 13 years and I would see guys get out, get a new charge, come back, do the time, get out and come back again. Where were you here?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I was in a Coleman, the federal federal correctional complex in Coleman, Florida. It's about an hour north of Tampa.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. Coleman was built for it. It was definitely over capacity by about 40, 40, 50 percent.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Once a smuggler, always a smuggler.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. Well, you know, it's funny. I remember, guys, there was this guy who was locked up for smuggling. He would get in line and he'd stand in line with everybody else. He'd be loaded down, but he would back up. As everybody else was going forward in the chow hall, he's taking one step back, one step back. And he would do this.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It'd take him 30 minutes to go through the whole line to work his way out of the chow hall and then turn around and walk away. And he was brilliant. He was brilliant at it. Crazy. You know, just time, just a little time and pressure. So you got out. What are you doing now? What's happening now?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But this isn't your first film though.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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All right. Do you have anything else you want to talk about?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, I have a friend named Russini that I was locked up with. And I remember he was doing big time deals. And he was saying, he was like, this was 20 some odd, 30 years ago. And he was like, you know, in the upper echelon of drug smuggling, he's like, nobody brings a gun. You're not, he said, you're not dealing with people you don't trust.

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He's if they don't trust them, then you don't go, you don't go, you don't not trust them and bring a gun because you just don't go. And so he was explaining that. And he's like, you know, now he's like every low level guy's got a gun and they don't trust each other. And it's just a horrible situation.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It's funny. I've gotten that. So my crime was a bank fraud. And I've been caught in banks, handcuffed, brought to the police station, been questioned, been questioned by banks, and always managed for the longest time up until I was eventually caught. I've been caught over and over again and just continually got away with different things.

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And people would say, you know, how, like, how, aren't you scared? Aren't you concerned? Aren't you that, you know, how do you know? How do you, and I was like, well, you know, I don't really know. I do my research, but I said, basically it's intuition. I always say it's intuition. Not, you know, like you're saying your gut instinct, but my, I said, you'd be shocked how many times

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Your intuition is telling you something and you just ignore it. You know, it's the same thing with bank and bank. I've been grabbed by banks, by bank staff, by bank fraud personnel and that sort of thing. And they knew they couldn't put their finger on it, but they knew something was wrong. And I was like their instinct or their intuition was telling them this is a fraud.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Something's wrong, but they just couldn't put it together. And they had to let me walk out with the money. But they knew and there was nothing that said it just in their mind. They could in their gut, like you're saying in their gut, told them something's wrong here. I can't put my finger on it, but something's wrong. But because I had all the forms, I had all the documents.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They were like, they let me walk out with a check or they let me walk out with the cash. So, yeah, so I am absolutely a big believer in that because let's face it, what else? There's, you know, there's too many, you know, it's the coincidences are so overwhelming sometimes. It's like there's a connection. Something's connected.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, that's great. Yeah, I just can't, I can't imagine the... What are the chances? There's just no chance. There's no chance that you flip it open and it's actually got your name and that the actual proverb is a direct reflection of what's happening in your life at that moment. There's something connected.

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Well, I don't want to take any more of your time. I appreciate it. I'd also like to say that, you know, one of the problems I have like doing these podcasts is a lot of times you get somebody and they don't really know. One, they don't really know their story. And two, they certainly a lot of times they just don't really know how to tell the story. But, you know, you did great.

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I'm definitely glad Wade told me to contact you. He was like, you got to contact this guy.

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Thank you. Yeah, I appreciate it. Do you have anything? Do you want me to put the links to the movies? Anything specific I can put in the description?

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How long is this clip?

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Do you want me to put it on the back? Like right now we're ending the podcast. I can put it, I can have, I can have it in bed.

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Is this on YouTube?

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Got it. I'll have Colby Wold embed it on the back of the video.

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Listen. So you were on the TV show Masterminds.

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Okay. I was on the run for three years at one point. I was number one on the Secret Service's most wanted list. I was still conducting, running scams. And I was actually with a girl that was, you know, with me. They called us like the Bonnie and Clyde of bank fraud. So you know, there's all these TV, there's TV shows, there's articles and stuff.

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I remember I used to love, and this was in, this would have been in 2004, maybe 2004, 2005. We were in Charlotte, North Carolina. And I used to watch that show all the time. And I remember watching one of those episodes. And at one point I remember turning to her and saying, listen, they're going to make a show about me. I'm going to be on one of these shows, one of these episodes one day.

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And she looked at me and she said, you realize these guys all got caught. Yeah, but I'm not going to get caught. And it was just that arrogance. But it's so funny because a lot of times I'll mention that show to people and they're like, yeah, I don't remember. Or sometimes people remember. It was a great show.

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Yeah.

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Listen, I, I can't, you know, I'm constantly having stuff, you know, I know you don't know anything about, about, you know, really my background or anything, but, I wrote a bunch of true crime stories while I was locked up. I've got like seven or eight books I put out in true crime stories. Got like over basically about two dozen synopses of true crime stories.

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I'm working with several producers right now and a couple documentaries. But yeah, I can't tell you how many, like Hollywood's the worst. I'd rather deal with criminals. They're the worst.

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Mm-hmm. Well, I hope the documentary, I hope it works out. Thank you. We'll definitely put the clip. I appreciate it.

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All right. Let me sign off real quick. Hold on. Hey, you guys, I appreciate you watching. Do me a favor, hit the subscribe button, hit the bell so you get notified of videos like this. Leave me a comment and watch the clip. Colby is going to embed it right now at the end of the video. So check it out.

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And real quick, did anything ever happen with your abuser? Did it ever catch up with him later on?

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10 12 years ago you're 75 i am you're you're great you look great you look you know you you sound good you're you seem very clear-headed i am 53 and i'm already feel like i'm losing it you know and focusing on i'm losing focus and stumbling over my words half the time and

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Well, so you're in the university. You start selling. Did you start selling just small amounts of marijuana? Did it vary? who introduced you to it? Like, well, what's the progression there?

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Well, how did you grab a bunch of it? It's not like you went into a store. I bought it from the guys who. And they were able to get.

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That's the problem with getting away with behaving like that for so long. You start thinking you're invincible.

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Yeah. They're thugs. They're not the law. Oh yeah.

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You got to be very measured. I'd be very polite.

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Well, let's get to that. Let's start back kind of at the beginning. Oh, sure. Yeah, yeah. I'm sorry. So, I mean – How I was recruited in it or – I mean, was your family an organized crime? I mean, how did this, like, where were you born? Where were you?

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But you're losing them, so you have to constantly get more.

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Yeah, I was going to say, but then again, the funny thing is, it's like the more money you make, the less shit you're willing to put up with. If you're making half a million dollars a year, and this guy is only $20,000 of it, but he's a big headache. I'd rather just let me get rid of him and find somebody else.

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Is that to run the other guy out of business?

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What happened to the, what happened to law enforcement?

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Thank God there was no set. Would you have a cell phone?

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So you didn't have to hear anything until you got home.

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I was going to say, that's the problem with getting away with behaving like that for so long. You start thinking you're invincible and I can do whatever I want.

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This is like, if you have to shoot somebody, how do you explain that?

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Regroup.

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So like I said, we were like, you just take care of it just now. You're not willing to take care of it.

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He does know better. I feel like he doesn't know better.

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No, they're putting the indictment together.

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I was like, how did this happen?

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He's leaving that for you. You're the one putting the machines in. You're the one collecting. Everybody's been paying you for years.

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You can get that or you can get nothing.

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You never talked to him again?

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What happened with the federal case? Did he ever get indicted?

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What is the statute of limitations on this crime? I would think it would be five years. That's why I was thinking what it took them, it was four years later. They were trying to indict this guy within the five years. Now you're saying it's another four years?

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It just continues. I thought you would shut everything down and move on.

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So he just can't get right.

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Yeah, that's like the guy saying, I know about these two guys robbing banks. How do you know? I've been driving the getaway car.

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So he went to, he goes to probably a camp somewhere. Yeah, it was a camp.

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Well, there's a, there's a huge difference between tax fraud and making a mistake.

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I should have paid, I took a bunch of deductions. Maybe I shouldn't have. Maybe I didn't declare quite as much cash as I thought I was. I'm not very good with my books. I thought I had claimed enough. That's a mistake. Let me fix it now, as opposed to, no, no, I'm actively dodging paying taxes. Now it's a felony. Now it's criminal. Yeah. Yeah.

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One's a mistake and we can make a I can pay a fine and make some payments. The other one, I got to go to prison.

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Well, you know, One, it's funny. It's a I mean, I, you know, I'm from Florida, so I, I think, you know, it's, it's like a cracker version of, uh, of casino.

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Yeah. Yeah. I remember the ones you pulled the lever.

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So what happened with your – you're saying you wrote a book and you wrote a screenplay. What happened with that or you're working on it?

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And I said, an option. Did he give you an, he didn't give you an option. It's just a shopping agreement.

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Yeah. That's well, that's not, he could sell it for somebody for a hundred dollars.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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But one guy, go ahead. I'm sorry. I was going to say it's like the Whitey Bulger or the Departed. It's a mob story, but without the Italians.

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Okay. After that, you said you were running the bar now?

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They have to apply and get for the liquor license.

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I mean, listen, if it's beneath them.

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You're not robbing the bank. You're just driving the getaway car.

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What's the night mechanic?

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Oh, okay. I thought you were just going and opening them up, taking the money.

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Well, so were there any in your class, your graduating class? Were there any other guys that had been a Marine?

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So, I mean, how long did you stay in the SEALs? Eight years. Eight years? Eight years, yeah. What happened? Anything interesting that happened there? Anything eventful?

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Well, I mean, so, okay, so when your parents pulled you out of school, did you get a GED or what happened?

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I'm sorry, can I say, so you came up to, so the oxygen in your blood, because you came up so quickly, it what, expanded? And then they should have put you in the hyperbolic chamber, you said, and said what, to compress it and make it go up slow? Because you're supposed to come up slow. Yeah. You shot up that. I don't know. Exactly.

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Yeah, yeah. I may seem fine, but there's problems. People get paralyzed and they have facial paralysis. There's all kinds of things that happen with that, right? You see these people that have like...

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So this is eight years. You did eight years. Eight years total, yeah. Okay. And then, so what happens then? I mean, you get out, like, I mean, you're, you know, I hate to say this, but I mean, you're... In the real world, you know what I'm saying? Like, there's not a lot of, you're not really trained to do...

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you're trained to do law enforcement at this point, you know, and it really not even that. Cause you know, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like a lot of it. So, so what, what, where do you go from there?

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Yeah. Where'd you do that? This is after you did eight years, and now this is another four. I did the Marines to Blackwater for four years to SEALs. Oh, okay. And usually it's the opposite, right? I didn't see that. I didn't realize that.

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So why didn't you like – first, why four years? Is it a contract for four years? No.

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And so I knew a guy I was in prison with a guy that was smuggling from Afghanistan and he was a private contractor. Oh, man. And he lived, by the way, a black guy who was Muslim that had been in the military. Yeah. Got out, went into a private contractor. I don't know which one lived off base. Actually, and I was like, are you serious? He's like, no, it's not that bad.

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It's, you know, I feel like, I was like, I feel like that would be dangerous. It's not like that.

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So when you – eventually, we'll jump back to the SEALs. When you get out of the SEALs, what did you – at that point, what did you decide you were going to do? You have to do –

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What's he thinking is happening or is going to happen? I mean, is his paranoia fueled by drugs or is he just in general straight just paranoid?

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But is it bipolar? Do you think was he bipolar? Because, OK, so, you know, you understand that like bipolar. So you can be bipolar. And the more bipolar you are on the spectrum, it starts to tilt into schizophrenia where you're having, you know, delusional thoughts. And there are bipolars that a lot of times.

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Their, you know, their manic episodes will go so high that they become delusional where they suddenly think, you know, I wrote a book on a guy who's like, suddenly he starts thinking he's going to take over the world. God's talking to him. And then, of course, 20 minutes later or sometimes three minutes later, he comes back down and he realizes what's going on.

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And he's suddenly like right back into being a normal person again. So, oh, my God, Matt, I'm bipolar for sure. Right.

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So you're talking about, so you're, so you're negotiating his, uh, um, like his, if he's doing like a keynote speaking engagement for oligarchy or for you're going in and saying, this is how much, or no, no, that was all it.

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So he's going in and he's buying, you know, whatever, 200,000, you know,

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He had just came back from Belize. For some reason, I thought he was still going to go to Belize. He had to come back from Belize.

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See, let me tell you, what I've seen is I saw a documentary up to Belize. No, man. Like I really didn't see anything. And then I watched some YouTube bullshit after that. But it was all, you know, it's YouTube guys just talking about it.

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It was freaking terrible, actually. yeah so so what so what ends up half so what happens why what I mean what what goes I don't know like the last thing I know about McAfee I remember the thing in the bully in Belize I know he was kind of like on the run for a while and I know he ended up on a boat and he went and he got caught in is it Spain where was yeah he was on the I I I was I helped Spain

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Did it go bad?

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Yeah. So you can take like working out would be like one or two credits at the community college. Lifeguard. Yeah. You know, water aerobics. Yeah. Photography is like a three credit, four credit card. You know, that's just taking photos. Bowling. All of it. Yeah. Yeah, because they're not saying you have to get your AA. No. You just have to get some credits. That's right.

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What happened? Do you think that you were drugged or you just think you had a –

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That's what I was thinking, actually.

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So where do you go for Marines? Like you don't go to the normal. Is that Parris Island?

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Well, why was it ultimately considered? Because he's kind of like a pump and dump?

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This is amazing.

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He could just come out and say, listen, man, there's this new coin. We've invested a lot of money in it. It's great. I don't see why that would be illegal.

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So what? So, I mean, what? Your wife had a power of attorney over?

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I did not know that.

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Maybe it wasn't for this, but it was for this, right? Yeah. So when, why do you go on the run? You've mentioned that a couple of times. Yeah. So when did the FBI come? Is it because the FBI can't showed up or so? No.

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You know what I mean? I've been locked up with lots of those guys.

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The whole time they're locked up for the four or five years. They're screaming, you can't do this. You can't do this. They never ratified this, whatever. We've met many of these guys. It's like, yeah, okay, but they've got the guards and the prisons and the barbed wire, and they're going to make you do five years whether or not they were signed or whatever happened.

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I was going to say that and working on, you know, like kids that grow up on farms don't have it easy. Like that's a hard life, too. You got chores. Yeah. It's not like you're a fucking city kid who has to go to school, come home and play video games.

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So what do you mean doing some work out of there? What does that mean?

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Three or four?

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Two. You know what I mean? It was too. The further down you are, the more calls it takes.

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It's over. Well, I know we don't get to know what he did, but I'm assuming he had something over her or convinced, like there's something enough to make her feel like she had to sign off.

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mercenary, sketchy stuff.

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Yeah. So, so, okay. So you were saying you did two tours. I interrupted you at two tours.

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So then you go to Thailand. Why Thailand?

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In Spain. For some reason, I thought that you were married to a Russian girl before.

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Where did you go in Thailand, though?

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They just saw everything. So did they not have you indicted at the time, and they're just trying to gather evidence for you? Yeah, yeah, just gather evidence. Because if they had you indicted, they could just arrest you.

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What's happened with McAfee at this time?

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Unless you have an inexhaustible amount of money. Yeah. And even then, most people just can't break ties with people. It's just across the board.

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Yeah, they're going to come get you. No, that's ridiculous.

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My understanding has been rested with plenty of guys that were in their own country that are non-extradition and you're a citizen and they came and got you.

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Yeah, I already know but I mean, you know, the thing about extradition is extradition is when you call the local authorities and say Arrest this guy for us and and bring them to the airport for us Non-extradition means they call them and say we're coming in and getting our fucking guy.

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Don't come in this neighborhood We're gonna be there for the next few hours no matter who calls and they go Yeah, man, of course, of course and they just come and grab you drive you that yeah because they have deals with the government Yeah But people don't understand. They believe everything they watch on CNN, and they think the justice system works the way it does on Law & Order.

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I never heard that.

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It's for like, what's the charge? Like money laundering or wire fraud?

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But I mean, yeah, but typically money launderers don't go to a pen. Yeah, I know, right? You don't know that going in. I don't know anything, man. You're thinking, oh my God, they're going to send me to a pen. Yeah.

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You're going to get this much off of the first chance act. You can do this. You can do this. You're going to get this much halfway house and ankle break. Like, break your back in three years.

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Your lawyer's, like, still getting it wrong.

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I'm like, I don't know shit, dude. Honestly, the funny thing is it depends on what prison you go to. Yeah.

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it does right it does it does like there's probably all kinds of stuff yeah yeah like you could go to a medium you go to there are mediums that are basically like pins and there are pins that are run practically like load you know what i'm saying that are that soft like it really depends there are you could go from coleman low to like yazoo and yazoo's low is fucking horrible like people are getting so

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there's gangs they're fighting but you go to coleman coleman's a soft spot i mean bad things are happening but bad things happen in high schools coleman's like a rough high school you mouth off enough to people you're gonna get the shit kicked out of you you may get Things happen at Coleman, but nothing like Yazoo. Yazoo just comes in. You go into Yazoo, and it's like who knows what could happen.

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You mouth off. You look at somebody fucking weird, like just give them a dirty look, and five minutes later, the guy walks up behind you and cracks you in the head with a fucking lock, and you never saw it coming because... You just didn't expect it. You didn't think you were in a tough spot. Dang. Or they tell you, like if you were a child, you can't go into the TV room.

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Like in Yazoo, they don't even want you looking in the window of the TV room. But in Coleman, they would try and keep the guys out. But every once in a while, they would come in and stand there and watch 20 minutes of TV, and then they'd leave or – It wasn't a big, big, huge deal. In Yazoo, if you're a side offender, you're probably not walking the rec yard.

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If you do, you better go with five or six other side offenders. In Coleman, these guys have... They call them chomos. They have cho bands. They have cho soccer teams. They have cho... There's so many of them. You can't keep them there. In the medium, they never leave... they had a special unit for them, and they never left the unit. They never went on the rec yard.

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And when they did leave, they went to chow. They ate last. They let them out last. So after everybody's gone, they go into the line. They go through the whole line, get their food, eat real quick, go right back in the unit.

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Yeah, they could get hurt. Nobody's necessarily telling them to do that, but every once in a while, one guy will wander onto the yard, and he gets the living shit kicked out of him. And it's like...

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They don't know any better. They're like, well, why can't I go? Nobody knows I'm a sex offender. I just got here. It's like, yeah, bro, they already know. They already know. The guards might even tell them.

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So what happened when you – I mean eventually you go – what really gets down to it?

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And your name's on everything.

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Right. Well, you know, I forget the Latin word for where it's basically you have to have knowledge of a crime to commit a crime. Yeah. That's actually in the feds. That's like not a thing. No. It's kind of in the conspiracy realm, right? Yeah. You're part of it. You sent a text message. Right.

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It's like saying, yeah, I understand that this guy asked me to make a phone call or give this person money, but I didn't know that that was a payoff for that person to go commit a homicide, right? I didn't know that was going to happen. It doesn't matter that you didn't know.

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None of those seem appealing to me. Isn't that crazy? None of those make war sound appealing at all. Every one of those looks brutal and horrible. Isn't that crazy? I've never watched one of those movies where I thought, that, yeah. I've always thought, that. That looks horrible. Guys are losing their limbs. Guys are getting blown up. Because it's funny because this is my wife and probably you.

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And when you watch The Walking Dead, you see yourself as one of the survivors. I'm thinking... I'm probably one of the walking dead. Like I just, I just think this is, there's the numbers are against you, but you're watching walking dead thinking you're a survivor.

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You know, I don't know. Up until the end here, it made me think of that. I'm sure you've heard this story about the...

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the guy who's um he's in a town and the town's it's it's flooding you ever heard that they're like the town is flooding and and everybody's there evacuating the town and there are people driving the they're driving by in jeeps and they're and you know suvs and the the military's there and they're like hey man it's uh man you got to evacuate get in the fuck get in the jeep and he's like no no god's gonna save me god yeah and then so then the

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The water gets up so far they can't drive anymore, and he climbs up on the roof of the church. And then the boats are going by, and there's boats going by. They're like, get in the boat. Come on. He's like, no, no, God's going to save me. God's going to save me. And then it keeps going and going, goes up past the roof, and he climbs up on the steeple of the church.

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And a helicopter comes, and he says, and they're trying to lower a basket. He goes, no, no, God's going to save me. God's going to save me. And they finally take off, and then eventually it gets so high that he ends up drowning. And then when he gets up to heaven, he says, you know, God, I thought you were going to save me. What happened? He goes, well, I sent a jeep, a boat, and a helicopter.

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Like, what did you want me to do? Like, that's like, for your story, it's like, there are all these signs, and you're just going, no, no.

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I see this. I mean, what did you expect? They're calling you on the phone. They got you down here. The judge sent you to the fucking thing. Oh, it took so much for me.

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Yeah, because I just think, fuck, that looks horrible. I'm ready to argue. Like we can have, we can have some strong words. Let's do it. But let's not start shooting it.

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yeah well i was wondering the the death of mcafee definitely weakened their case to such a degree that that it would it may or may not have been possible to even to prosecute you so that was a huge you know that was a huge gain for you but i've also things like that happen and they'll still go most of the time they'll still go forward but you'll get a much better deal like you're not going to do 10 or 12 years you might have still have to do a few years but dropping it all together dude um

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So did the FBI ever come and say, hey, can we sit down and talk to you so you could just explain? Because a lot of times they want to wrap up the case. Like, look. Like, we don't really need any information. We can figure it out, but they want to talk to somebody or that they have enough other people that they could talk to.

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I was so mad, man. Betrayal. Because you're a bad guy. Once again, that just strengthens the government's case because they've got... Listen, I know guys that had three people get on the fucking stand and they get... They get found guilty of dealing, you know, a hundred, you know, a hundred kilos of that they've never seen. You know what I'm saying?

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Like just because three guys got on the stand and said, yeah, he was there. Yes. Yes.

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yeah and um well you say you weren't like physically you weren't a What do you mean? You were like a physical guy? You weren't like in good – I don't understand. No, I was like super scrawny.

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almost at peace being in baghdad iraq for four years and in all these places but but um in afghanistan it's like being a cop people love they love the idea yeah a cop but you know everybody cop i know they're like bro it's nothing but filling out paperwork yeah every once in a while something happens it's over in fucking five minutes and then it's and then it's four hours of paperwork they're like you're all you spend all your time filling out paperwork it's like oh that well

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So what do you think happened with him?

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When he's in the prison cell, he says, like two days beforehand, he says, he tweets or something, that he's like, if I die... He had a tattoo whacked, like, I'm not going to kill myself.

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Narcissist.

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Narcissists almost never killed themselves.

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Yeah, plus he doesn't know. This is what killed me is that – and I get it. Look, I get being in that situation. I know guys that got – two or three years in prison and just thought their world was over. So I understand when you come from up here and you drop all the way down, you get extremely depressed. But the problem is that he had high-priced lawyers. He had the ability to fight his case.

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I would have thought that he would have come back, fought his case. If he was in the cards, then he would have at least waited until he got sentenced to And honestly, you know, the case is questionable. They may have offered him some kind of a deal.

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I know they're saying 12 years, and I understand that's where you fell in the federal sentencing guidelines, but most likely they would have gone in and said, look. You know, we'll get rid of this. We'll do that. They could have offered you some kind of deal. You probably could have ended up with five or six years, which still would have seemed like your life's over.

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That for me would have been over. Right. But you would have been out in like three. Yeah. You know, and and you would have you would have been by the time you actually got in prison, you'd have already done a year and a half. You know, you get in and you'd be like, shit, in six months, they're going to put me in for a halfway house. Like. Like, this is not that bad.

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And you would have gone to a low. You'd have been the toughest guy at the fucking low. You would have run the track and played softball for, you know, a year.

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Yeah. Nothing. That's right.

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You know this.

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yeah that's horrible um so although in world war ii those movies and stuff i have a hard time feeling uh believing any of those guys ever filled out any paperwork those were you know they weren't playing they were they were they were filling them you know you know magazines bullets and stuff yeah so so okay so you so after um after afghanistan where'd you go then

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We'll never know. Unless somebody retires someday or comes out and says, listen, I was a part of the team.

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Yeah, which is funny because they're not extremely available in prisons.

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No, it's not on commissary. Yeah. So what are you doing now?

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What are the people that are coming to you? Is this for like business or is this people that are struggling?

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Do you have like a website?

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I almost said chick. The Russian woman you married in Spain. She'll kill both of us. You guys went to Thailand. You stayed with her. Then you come back to the United States. You get in trouble. You go through all this shit. And she stayed with you the whole time? She stayed with me the entire time, bro.

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You'd be done. You'd be done. They'd be like, you got to do 30 days. Yeah, listen, I'm sorry.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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We'll know where he is in a couple weeks. I talked to... You want to hear what his partner had to say about him?

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You know what I'm saying?

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But, you know, so it's like views matter.

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Yeah. I figured it out. That was Sally. Go get on your cellmate. They locked you up for two weeks. Your cellie in prison will say, he told me that he was a part of the conspiracy with that guy. And if you think the feds won't put that cellie in a room and hand you the indictment along with all of all the FBI 302s or the DEA 6s and let him read all about your case, you're wrong.

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They'll put it right on the stand. And they'll know blatantly that he's lying. Just keep in mind, even if he got on the stand and turned around and said, you know what? I am lying. He didn't say that. The AUSA stuck me in a room, gave me all the DEA sixes, let me read up on the case, and told me he'd cut me loose if I testified against it. Do you know what happened to that U.S. attorney?

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And then they could prove that they did remove him and put him in a room and give him all that stuff, right? Do you know what happened to the U.S. attorney? That's right. Nothing? Nothing at all. The judge would say, this is a horrible, egregious act. That's it. Don't do that again. That's it. That's it. Prosecutorial, they have immunity.

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That's a mistake. You know what? There's only one time that only one situation I know of that you're better off in the state, or I'm sorry, you're better off in the feds is like with like oxycodone, like the pills in the state of Florida. And they changed this like five, six years ago, they were weighing the pills.

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So the weight, so it could be a five milligram pill that weighs that five milligram pills weighs less than a 20 milligram pill. But they would weigh the pills and they had a weight scale for, well, you had this much weight of oxy and they would charge you.

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And so you'd end up getting, even though you had a bunch of this one brand that weighed more and they would charge you and you'd end up getting these mandatory minimum sentences of like 10 years, 20 years. But if you were to go to the Fed, they would charge you for the actual milligram of how much it really was. And you'd end up with four or five years as opposed to these ridiculous mandatories.

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That was right. And that's still if you're first time. Now, if you're second time, then, of course, in the feds, they start tacking on all the, you know, all the different criminal history and you're fucked. But there's one or two very slim scenarios where you're probably better off in the fed than you are the state. Yeah. But other than that, yeah, you're absolutely right. You're right.

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And I was telling my wife, I was like, you don't have a problem because... I said, you're going to be telling stories and I'm going to be like, come on now. Did you feel bad about that? He's going to be like, Matt, Matt, Matt, Cox, stop it. It's all right. All right. Hey, this is Matt Cox and I am here with, I'm going to say Travis. That's cool. Is that cool? Okay.

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State, state, state. Even though the prison, let's face it, the prisons. in the federal system are way nicer than the state prisons, right? Yeah, people way nicer. Yeah, yeah. The people way nicer. You go to the state prison, you got to get you a knife. I don't even like hearing about, like, the guys talk about prison. He would tell prison stories. I feel anxious just hearing the stories.

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I don't even want to hear the story.

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What else? We got anything else you can think of, talk about? Let me see.

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What I don't get is that, like, You could put somebody now with technology, you could put somebody on an ankle monitor and monitor them all the time, everywhere. Like it really, there's just no reason to lock people up with these amount, the amount of time they're locking people up. You're a non-violent offender. It don't mean no sin. Not only that, you can say, hey, here's where you work.

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Here's your travel area. Here's where you live. Here's the grocery store you go to. That's your area. If you go outside of that area, you know what I'm saying? Like it, one, it notifies you wherever you're going, but that you need to stay in that area. It is, this is going to hurt a lot of people.

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So I... Why couldn't you sell drugs at the... I can't believe I'm saying this. Why was it easier to sell drugs there than where you were going before that? Because there were other guys there selling?

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You heard about nothing else. Oh, with prison reform? Well, I mean, Trump signed in, he signed in a law like the Second Chance Act. He signed like all these things. And here's what, here's what. My buddy Pete likes to say, well, he didn't write that. That was already there. Right. It was there. It's been there for years. No president signed it. Nobody signed it.

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Trump came in and said, yeah, I'll sign it. And he signed the one that said, like, remember, we only we're supposed to get you're supposed to get 15 percent good time. The way they calculate it, it's 87 and a half percent. So. You were getting screwed out of like, I forget what it was, nine days a year. And Trump came in a game. And not only did he sign it, he signed it retroactive.

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The guys that are in there, you have to give them that time. That's the A. So the viewer is literally, there's all these, you know, was it huge? Maybe it wasn't huge, but it was all these little things that could have been done the whole time that... the Democrats didn't do. No.

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You know, and I think to me right now, you could alleviate the budget by saying, look, you got a ton of white collar criminals. You got a ton of nonviolent drug offenses that honestly, they know how serious it is.

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If you put them on ankle monitors, dump some of that money into probation, get some more probation officers, close some prisons, dump those guys back out, get them working, you know, because let's each inmate costs, People will say, oh, it's $32,000 a year. No, that's what they allocate for the prison. What it actually does, it also removes money out of that you're not contributing to society.

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side of town was money, they pay more for the drugs. Okay, so that area had drugs. I mean, that other area had more money. Had more money. Okay. And that's where they sent me to high school at.

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It really, the figure is over $50,000 a year that incarcerating someone costs society. Right. So why would I pay $30,000 to incarcerate you and lose the money you would be paying in for taxes? Why wouldn't I put you out there, have you pay your own stuff, and put you to work and have you monitored. I can monitor and piss test you. Whenever I want to. Whenever you want to.

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You've got a probation officer like that. The problem is, is like, no, nobody wants to get behind that because so many people make money off the prison. Yes. All cows away. So they don't want to get behind that. And it's an easy sell if you're trying to get elected. I'm I'm hard on crime. Yeah, but you could probably be smart on crime.

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and dump more of that money into education because you're more educated.

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Yeah. You say you've been, you've tried that for 30 some odd years, 40 for really for 40 some odd years. Right. You've tried like, let's lock everybody up as long as we possibly can afford to. And, and, and that obviously has not worked. So maybe there's something else, you know, there's a program right now. I forget what it was.

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It's, I mean, I don't know the name of it, but it's basically, it's like a bunch of fathers who have kids, but they're fathers and they go into like middle schools and high schools and they're in there and they basically shepherd kids that don't have fathers. And they talk to them, they mentor them and they're in the high, they go in the middle schools and high schools.

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And then of course they mentor them outside of high school and everything. But they're like, you know, the thing is, is like, Like that, those, those parental role models that are missing. And let's face it after the, let's say your mother and your grandmother were adamant that you were going to do the right thing and push you and yelled at you and did everything.

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The fact is by the time you were 13, you were uncontrollable. Yeah. I was too. You think a 35 year old woman is going to control a 13 year old boy here? No, he's going to do whatever he wants to do. Exactly. So it's too late.

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You know? So, I mean, they try and get in there early and, and they're, they're curbing all the, the fights and the shootings and the guns and everything that's going on in these communities and, They were having fights. They said every day they were having multiple fights, every single day at the school. These guys came in and they said they hadn't had a fight in like six months in the school.

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Right. Just because they're in there.

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I went to school and sold it. You just stole it, like, just, like, went in their house and stole it?

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I was watching, is it Michael Franziski? Franziski? I forget his name, but he's a mobster. And I want to say it was him who said, somebody said, well, there's a, you know, have you heard that there's a hit out on you? And he said, yeah, I've heard that. And he said, yeah. They said, are you worried? He said, no, I'm not worried.

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He said, I'm not worried about the mobsters that I dealt with and that I knew. He said, because they're at a point where they're not going to do anything. He said, they're at a point where they know me. They know what happened. They understand. He said, my fear is.

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That some young guy trying to make his name for himself decides, I happen to know where this guy is and where he's going to be at a certain time and thinks he's going to make a name for himself by hitting me. He said, that's my fear. He goes, but I don't live my life... He said, really worrying about it because he said, and he's basically the same thing. He said, because it's going to happen.

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It's going to happen. It's going to happen. I can't stop. Right. There's nothing I can do. But that's his fear. So your fear is of something that you did wrong. 20 years ago. Coming back. And not only coming back because this guy doesn't even have a beef with you. Right. His whole thing is I'm trying to make a name for myself. Right. I don't have a problem with you. I don't know who you are.

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I don't really know what happened. But I know that if I'm the guy. It's not under my belt. Right. They get is known for killing you. Then that means something to everybody will be impressed by that. Like, are you fucking serious? Right. Like that's what I have to look out for. An absolute fly in the ointment. I have no control over. No control over.

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You love Cracker Barrel.

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I do. I do. Jeff and I eat there a lot. Well, I'm more comfortable with Cracker Barrel, but I like it.

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People will create a situation that is completely wrong just based on a hunch because they want to justify in their mind that they know what happened. Instead of saying, I don't know what happened. I heard this. I heard that. But I don't really know what happened. How many times does somebody end up going to prison for –

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you know a life sentence because three people think they know what happened come to find out it was a vagrant yeah that was passing through the area and then a dna test shows that that person raped and killed somebody that you're in prison that's like man i would we're we're in the that uh interview i did the guy he's now a lawyer up in new york fucking kid who's like

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15 years old who happened to who's kind of an outcast you know he's kind of a geeky kid who knew had it had a couple classes with another another student right a middle school student and was at home playing with some of his friends in his little apartment complex a mile or two away from where this girl cut through the woods and ended up getting raped and murdered.

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So they did a profile of who it is and that the profile was absolutely wrong. It's definitely somebody who knows her because she was covered. So they knew her, probably one of her friends, probably somebody from the high school, probably somebody who's an outcast. They go and start talking to kids at the high school. They say, well, look, there is this kind of one kid. He's a little off.

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And they know each other. They have some classes. And you ask him, he's like, yeah, I did know her. Like I knew her. She was in a couple of classes. Like we knew enough to say I. That was it. I've never had a conversation. Well, the cops get him. He's 15 years old. They get him in a room. They keep him in the room for eight hours.

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They eventually get him to a point where he basically he's in tears. He's crying. He's on the floor. They convince him to plead guilty because if he doesn't say he did it.

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then the cops are going to hurt him they're outside waiting for so he ends up saying yes they and they say you just say you're yes you can go home we'll figure it out later try basically say this so i can get you out of the building he says yes he doesn't get out of the building they arrest him he goes to jail he ends up maybe he was 17 16 or 17 yeah yeah 16 so he ends up going to jail he ends up going to trial because now once he gets a lawyer he's like i didn't do this

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There's semen there, by the way, which they're saying is his semen. They test the semen, come back and say, okay, it's not his semen. But the girl was promiscuous. Now they're lying about the victim. The prosecutor said she's promiscuous. She had sex with this boy earlier that she was dating. Never test the boy. So he goes to trial. He loses. He appeals it. He loses.

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It's like fucking like you're bringing money in the house, it is what it is. Well, I was going to say, like I've done a lot of interviews and you talk to somebody like, listen, even my wife, it's like, she's like, you get to a point where you've got a drug addiction, You got three kids. And it's like, and even if you had somebody to watch the kids, you can't feed those kids working at Walmart. No.

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He appeals that like the Supreme Court won't hear it. He does a search for what they call it. They deny it. Um, he's in jail. He's writing letters. He writes letters to the, uh, innocence program. They turn them down three times. Eventually by this whole time, 16 years later, eventually CODIS comes online. They tested the DNA against him. It was, it was, it said it wasn't him.

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They just put it on somebody else, but there was no CODIS. There was nothing to compare it other than him. So finally he begs and pleads and somebody at the innocence program, some low level lawyer who had just come there eventually says, can we at least test it against CODIS? They tested against CODIS. Turns out it's a vagrant that was, that came across her in the woods, raped her, murdered her.

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They never looked for him. He ended up killing a school teacher six months or a year later that had like three kids. got convicted of that crime, went to prison. They connect them and find out, guess what? It was him. Had the cops done their job. One, he wouldn't have to spend 16 years in prison plus the millions of dollars they had to pay him. Right.

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And on top of that, they might have caught him before he murdered the school teacher. Right. But those cops were so sure. They made this, they had a hunch based on a bad profile. They found someone that they felt fixed it and they framed him. Right. Like, that leads to police. Yeah. So what does a regular mother do whose son died and she hears a little here, hears a little here,

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a little bit of conjecture, start swearing, the next thing she knows, she knows for sure you did it. Especially with my reputation. Right. Definitely did it. Yeah, you did it or you ordered it or you told so-and-so.

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So she's like, you know, but if you sell drugs.

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I got out of the halfway house last year. My sister and brother-in-law are friends with a federal judge. And he told my sister, he said, If he makes it past the first year, he said he's going to be, he's all right. He said the first year is the absolute hardest for these guys. He said after that, they've pretty much have figured something out to survive and he'll probably be okay.

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Like, you really don't understand. Like, they don't.

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The first, honestly, the first year. You're going to be chainsawed off the top of your butt. Which one? The first year. The first year or so, everybody that I met that I knew prior to prison, all of them actually said stuff. They're like, you're way more aggressive than you ever were before. You're shorter tempered.

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And I'm thinking, compared to the guys that I was locked up with, I'm like, are you serious? On the masculine scale, they were a 12. And I might as well be wearing a dress. Right. Like, you know, but you get out here among everybody and it's like, I'm now an eight. Right. Like it's so soft.

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And of course, let's face it, it's 10 times softer getting out of prison than it was before I went in because now people don't know if they're guys or men or women or, you know, you don't know. It's so, society is so confused right now. Very. So it's like, you got to be kidding me.

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But yeah, but I mean, I, you know, obviously, you know, I don't think I'm, of course, now I'm so, so relaxed and, you know, gain a little bit of weight. I'm sleeping in a little bit later. I'm actually not sleeping in. I was up at like Like 4.30 the last morning? No, I wake up. It doesn't matter if I go to bed at 10 or 11. I'm up at 4, 4.30. The guards turn the lights on at 5. At 5.

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I was headed out to the gym. For the first year I got out at about 4 o'clock, just before 4 o'clock every day, I get anxious. Like I felt like I need to be. You got to be. You got to be in your cell waiting. I'm fighting with that now.

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that's yeah and I kept waiting because you know after 13 years I kept waiting and I really genuinely felt like any day now they're gonna come and say Mr. Cox turn around you know like we like they fucked up and let me out like it was an accident that's how bad I like I and that that took maybe I want to I'm gonna say six months maybe it was six months to a year but I genuinely kept feeling like they were gonna like something was gonna happen they were like be like yeah listen turns out

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we made a mistake. Yeah. And that took about a year or so. You still had a good little bit of your sins before you got out. Yeah. It wasn't quite 13 years. I did a little over like 12, almost 13. I want you to have love before you got released. um, when I got released in, uh, 2000, um, in 19, 2019, you know?

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So, uh, so in July, so in July, it'll have been this, this July, it'll be five years and I'll be off probation. Right. Which is another thing that hinders you, you know, I can't travel, I can't, you know, and, and it's cause I have a financial crime. I, I, they're, they're all to all every, you know, like most people, um, You know, you fill out your report, right?

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Every month you fill, you know, Hey, how was your make? Maybe this much made this much me. It's I made this much. Here's where it came from. Here's copies of my bank statements. Here's copies of my fucking, you know, it's just nonstop. It's, it's like, it's all these for, you got to mail out this because that form on the computer doesn't,

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doesn't allocate for getting a check for a keynote speaking. It doesn't allocate because, you know, it's made for somebody who has a W-2 job. It's not made for somebody who got $1,000 here, 500 here, 2,000 here, 1,700 from here, you know, because no one place come, no, you know, no one thing pays all the bills. So you can't put that. It's got two places to do nothing on that form.

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So yeah, it's a pain.

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The mafia will call me and be like, where are you? I'm like, I'm at home. This is what happened last time. She goes, I'm at home. She said, well, I just drove by your house. Your car's not there. And I said, and I went, I sold my car last month. I sold it like three, four months ago. Right. And she's like, why'd you sell your car? I said, because I never use it.

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I'm paying $600 a month for a car that I never use. And I never leave my house anymore. Right. And she was like, well, I'm going to be there in five minutes. I said, well, I'll be here. I was like, it was like a backup. Well, she came in, she walked in. She's super nice. Right. She had a recruit with her. Like somebody she's, she's training.

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And like, they came in, we talked for a little bit and they walked around. She kind of looked around and opened a couple of doors and said, All right, see you. I was like, all right, see you. She's like, cool. She's so much better.

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She's way better than my, the first year I had a probation officer, she, I would, you know, the different levels of this chick, she's coming by every single month, calling me in every few months, having me do a piss test every time. She comes by, I'm doing a piss test. Like, I don't have a drug charge. I don't have a drug problem. Pee in this cup. Like, what's going on? I haven't never been.

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Are you serious? That's so fucking unfair. You're chewing up crack and shit. You can crack.

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I don't want to say mine because the first year I was on probation, I said her, I just said her first name on a podcast. And like it came out like two days later, she called me up and she goes, Mr. Cox. And I said, yeah, she goes, I see you did Concrete, which is the podcast I did. She goes, I see you did Concrete recently. And I said, yeah, I did. She said, Mr. Cox, I don't want to be famous.

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Do you understand? Yeah. She said, I would appreciate it if you don't mention my name again. I said, you know what? My bad. I don't know what I was thinking. I'm embarrassed that you need to be nice to this woman. I can't get her on my bad side. Like I'm embarrassed that you had to call me. Right. I don't. I start talking. I don't even think. I don't even realize how many times I stop thinking.

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You know when I realize that, oh, right, the cameras are right there because I straighten up. Right. And then as we talk, it's just I'm just talking. And then I realize, oh, wait, you're on. My wife told me you need to straighten up and hold your shoulders back. Posture. Yeah. Straighten your arms. I wore this orange. I don't usually wear orange, but I wore orange for you.

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Well, you want me to make you feel like I'm a jerk?

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We might already have a problem just because we said drugs, the word drugs so many times with being monetized. Right. And then you said, I like Trump. That's probably algorithms going to be like, oh, no. I already feel like I'm shadow banned because I had some Trump paintings up here. Yeah.

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i do shadow yeah i had to take those down i don't know what happened there's i feel like i got shadow bands for that probably did fine it's fine um all right anything else we good so you want me to put the any links in the description box you know like we can put links in the description box um and um Yeah, that's it, right? What are the links for your book? What else?

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Do you have the book on Amazon?

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Why don't you have this in a physical copy on Amazon? You want the truth? Yeah. I'd be bullshitting. Oh, okay. I didn't even get to put them. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I just... All of a sudden, I talked to a guy who told me, oh, they don't do that. I went, what? He was, no, on Amazon, you can only do e-copy. I was like, no, you can probably do it. Go back into the KDP or whatever it's called.

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Go back on there. There's a button you can click. That's it. And he came back. He was like, I can't believe it. He's like, I missed it. I'm going to do it.

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Hey, this is Matt Cox and I am here with Travis Luke. He is a former, he was the, he is a former gang leader in South Carolina. Man, all the time we need to get on from George. Damn it. Damn it. Let me try it again. I feel like, honestly, like leaving all the cuts in, like leave all that. Hey, this is Matt Cox, and I'm here with Travis Luke, and he is a former gang leader from Georgia.

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All right, I appreciate you guys watching the podcast. If you liked it, do me a favor, hit the subscribe button, hit the bell so you get notified. Leave me a comment in the comment section and I'll try and respond. Also, if you're interested in contacting Travis, we're gonna leave his contact information and the link to the book

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and to his merch and his website and everything else in the description box. Really appreciate you guys watching. Thank you very much. Also, if you really liked the podcast, please consider joining my Patreon. It's only $10. That's really very little money. I appreciate it, especially nowadays. Thank you very much. I appreciate it. See ya.

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Drugs was going to be the way. So when you go to high school, you start selling at the high school too. Yeah.

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All right. You chill and go, it's 10 to 8. Get you to a point where you can't even keep up with the work and we can just get rid of this guy. That's what we just got rid of my ass. Okay, so... So when was the first time you got in trouble with the law other than getting caught for sneaking in the girl's windows?

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Okay. No, no. I mean, for being out with the guys sneaking in girl's windows? I was like nine years old. Oh, okay. So what was 11 for? Just fights. Okay. Just getting into fights. When was the first time you got in trouble for dealing drugs?

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Even though they're driving through your neighborhood shooting or just hanging out. They weren't shooting. They were just hanging out.

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He and I were incarcerated in Coleman, I'm going to say Coleman Federal Complex, because I don't want to say hello. Right. That makes it sound like you're soft. And I don't want anybody to know, because I know, I know. I ain't no soft man, I just. I know you're, I get. So anyway, yeah. So we're going to be doing a very serious interview and I appreciate you guys watching. So check this out. Hi.

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They're ruining my old family's in the house. Had you sold, had you been caught on like a controlled buy or something? No. Or somebody else got caught and said, that's the house, I get it. That's right.

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I just took the charge. So when the cops had them all laid out, you walked over and said, yeah, this is mine. Everything is mine. Oh, I was thinking you're... I'm glad you guys finally got across. She saw a crack in this neighborhood. Came from grandmother.

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You realize this isn't normal parenting advice, right? I just told you my grandma was my business partner.

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So that was my dog. So what happened? How did the gang, I mean, you, so you started off, you said it was just like you. Yeah, it was. Well, clearly it didn't just stay you. No, no, it did.

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So Colby then plays some, you know, he does, and then that, you know, it'll, and then he'll cut this part out and then it'll play. And then I'll be like, well, you know, I'll do the whole, well, I appreciate you coming. Okay.

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i end up making them like my allies like we got saying which was chris and the g but in the beginning it was just me and it just exploded so to what when you say exploded like is this is this like like guys are coming to you for drugs you're selling them drugs and then you say you really need to be a part of this about part of my organization or are they coming directly to you and just saying hey i want to be a part of this organization so

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I just like a little shadow. You don't even respond to text messages. Now, I text you three times and I'm like, bro, I was still trying to figure it out.

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Right. So it's, so. It's lucrative to be a part of that organization as opposed to the other organization. Right, right. But I can see why you would want people underneath you because although they're always trying to kind of get the head guy, you also could be insulated. Right. You know what I'm saying? So to a degree.

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But I also understand why you don't want to be the low man on the totem pole because they're crash test dummies. You go do this, you go do this, and they're getting picked off. But the higher you are, the harder it is to get to you. Of course, the worse it is for you typically too. The worse you do.

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Because, you know, I can't trust Cox to tell him. I can't tell him nothing's going on. So I can't be hanging out with him because that's not going to go well. They come to my door and be like, you know, Travis, he did it. He did it. I don't know exactly what he did. I couldn't convince you that I was a good guy while I was in prison.

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I wasn't big on growing it. Okay. So- I mean, at what point, like, do you think that you kind of came to the attention of law enforcement or was it like a gang task force or drug task force where you came to their attention? Like, is there a point when like you go a couple of a few years before or do they figure out pretty quick this is an issue and they start trying to target you in some way?

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Never forget this shit. So real quick, sorry. What happened to... your cousin that your boy happened to vote bo and i'll get 16 years for the accident for accidentally shooting his cousin um and he got 16 years in georgia so how much time do you do on that he did i'll see it for you yeah he did obviously no good time no bow did i but both you gotta think about a bowling man when he was young

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Yeah, what's going on?

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You know what I mean? He got nothing coming in prison. He lost it. Because you get a good time. He lost it. He just lost all his good time.

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What's the custody level? Oh, it's level five. A hotel. No, no. I mean in federal. So he's in a pen. They're going to send him to the pen. They're going to send him to the pen. I was going to say. He's like, I don't know what you. I don't know. I was going to say. Sorry for doing scamming phones and shit. In prison. I was thinking if they send him to a lower medium, he's going to end up learning.

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He's going to learn some stuff. They're going to get out and get. You know, a lot of guys, they get. They get incarcerated for something minor and then they go into prison and they get educated on some real things to do. And his is violence. But if he's doing phones, he might go in. I was going to say, this is a guy that's he's already made it sound like he's made his mind up.

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Could kind of think about it because he don't have done his state time. After that much time in prison, like you're not getting out, just getting a job at Walmart. No. No, but I'm sorry. I was just curious. So what, so he goes, he got, he's gone. And he'll sure get out, they'll get some barbecues, but that sounds like that story's written. So what happened? So

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After that, you said the drug task force, the task force, they came to you to say, so when they come to anybody, they know they look for my little cousin.

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But I was a blood. So at what point did they decide that you were going to be and you were an issue? You were You were in an organization, you were running, you were upper management. Let's say upper, let's say you were upper management and that they were going, that they were planning on, that they were, they would have liked to have taken you down as quickly as possible. I don't know how 14.

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When I was about 14. Yeah, but you're still, but by this point, you're 17, 18 years. In your story, you're still 17, 18 years old. I mean, you're now kind of putting together things. But you remember, I've been in Georgia a small town.

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Why am I here? This is great, they're soft as cotton. When I'm a harder one of the harder motherfuckers on the compound, this is all right.

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When they clicked and they said, okay, blood, that's when the problem began. So you think it's a problem because now there's two gangs that are at each other, that that's going to cause... whatever, shootings, that's going to cause friction. Like if there's one gang, they're saying, what, it's not that big of a deal. But now that there's two, that's going to cause problems.

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See, is that what it is? I don't understand.

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But I was going to say, but now there's a bunch more guys. Like now when it gets to a point where there's 20, 30, 40, 50. Oh, yeah. Okay. That's what I'm saying. Like at what point do they, are they coming around? Are they, do you know they're targeting people? Like. Okay, okay. I get the question now.

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So what are they doing? Are they, just because, I mean, I've written other stories and I interviewed a bunch of guys and- And I was going to say, like, I know, you know, from talking with them, actually, and from talking with law enforcement, like they'll go in and they'll start, even then they know, they know the structure because they've already grabbed somebody.

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So then they'll start grab like the low man on the total pole and try and get them to start flipping. So they can start building a casing and move up the chain of command to get to the main guys. So, I mean, is that something that you saw happening? Like, hey, these three guys got busted or these guys got busted. Then these four guys got busted. Like, do you know that's happening?

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Do you realize, are you conscious that this is what's going on or you're not even paying attention to it?

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Is there tension between your gang and... and the Crips at that point, what is it? Is it just for territory? Is it... You see, probably just out of board.

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So I wish was it was the first time he went to jail as an adult. Yeah. 17 for what was that for? Terrorist threats. Oh, yeah. Yeah. OK.

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We're not doing Chainsaw. Who was it that called me Chainsaw? But even when he said it, it was, I think it was K. I was like, I'm not doing it. Hey, Chainsaw. You know the comments now? They call me, yeah, they call me chainsaw. I've already told that story. I've already told the story that when I got there, I tried to put, when I went from the medium to the low, I said, I tried to push chainsaw.

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I had to start moving around. I was just saying, have you ever, you've heard of Union City? Yeah. So I was in Union City jail for like six months. It was horrible. It was fucking horrible. It was a little tiny town jail.

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Right. That's when it...

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listen i know i know guys that have gone in there and just got a whole new slew of contacts yeah it's like they had like two they had two sources they came out and it's like i got a source that his source is this guy who has another source who has another source who has another source who ends up dealing with the cartel and i went to prison and now guess what i got three guys that are in the cartel i can buy from so i just ended up with two or three different sources that are at half

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the price at twice the twice the quantity and and and 100 purity like direct like you just you just turned me from a low a guy that was never really going to be able to make more than 10 or 20 bucks per sale to a guy who's making 200 300 per sale yeah that just it's just like you just took

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I said, but people were just, they weren't having it. They were like, no, you're not a chainsaw.

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Yeah, I was going to say, the guys I was locked up with, I went to Atlanta City Detention Center. There were guys there that, well, there were guys at Coleman that were from the cartel. Yeah. But There was a... God, I'm going to say his name is Lugo or Luco or... Anyway, I can't forget the guy, Lugo.

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But I was going to say, there was a guy, they called it the Mexican Tony Soprano that was at the AC... This was at ACV. Oh, okay, okay. And I mean, he... And his celly was a guy like his celly. He'd been selling with a guy for two weeks, three weeks. And he listened, this guy, he had no, he didn't have a care in the world. Like literally he just got like a 30 piece. Yeah.

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Haven't sent him to prison yet. He's getting regular visits. And you're like, well, this guy, you don't have a care of the world. He's watching TV. He's getting commissary. People are making stuff there. And one day his cell is like talking about how his, his baby's mama's car broke down. And he goes, well, what's the problem?

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And he's like, well, I mean, she needs, oh, no, she just, she needs a new car, this and that. And he goes, give me her address. Yeah. He goes, what? He said, give me your address. I said, I got a friend that knows a guy that has a car lot. I'll try and get her a car. And he's like, gives him the address. He said, I don't know if it was the next day or a couple hours later.

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Somebody shows up with like an Acura that was like two years old. It was basically almost a brand new Acura. Showed up. It was like, here it is. Signed here. Signed here. And when he called her. She was like, I don't know what just happened. This guy just showed up, whiffed over a car. He said, well, how much is it? And she's like, no, no. He said, it's my car. He gave me the car.

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Goes to the guy and he's like, yeah, you said she needed it, right? I mean, this guy had, and you know what? I found out what he was doing through another guy. They were paying guys in Mexico to fly over drugs And then he was telling the DEA at this small area right here, somebody is going to arrive with 600 pounds of wheat.

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And he was, and so he's chipping away at his 30 year sentence while sitting in the, they call the ACDC, in ACDC. So he's chipping away at his sentence. And he's, and he'd already been locked up fighting his case for five or 10 years to get the 30. And now he's chipping away. But he's paying the Mexican guys in Mexico. Like, look, we're going to give you, you're going to get caught with 600 pounds.

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Okay. You're going to get five years. I'm going to give you a lawyer. You're going to get five years. Your family is going to get this much money and they'll take care of you while you're in prison. You'll get out. You'll be deported. You get five years. You're going to do right three. Cause we're going to put you into the Ardell program. Right. You're going to you'll be OK.

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Like Chainsaw, what the hell do you get Chainsaw for? Yeah, it never stuck. It was too bad. Everybody had a cool nickname. K. Even K wouldn't. It took me forever to figure out what his real name was. He wouldn't tell me.

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But I'm going to get that will get me like 10 years knocked off my sentence. And then as soon as they do that, boom, I'll get another two guys come and say, look, this guy's got this much. And for for whatever, a hundred thousand dollars, a guy in Mexico, he'll do it. He'll be like, oh, five years in a federal prison. That's like a that's like going to to like, you know, summer camp. Right.

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So I'll do that. Right. And so that's what he was doing. It was, listen, once I heard that, I was like, no wonder he sold. No wonder. And he's got tons of money. There was a guy in Coleman that was in Mexico. He did like three years in Mexico and then did, I forget, he had like five or 10 years in the Fed.

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And the whole time he had been locking up, he was arranging shipments to come over the border. He's still doing it. He said, listen, he had, remember the big, the big phone, sorry, the big photo albums, the big ones. Yeah, the big ones. Like they didn't sell them when we were there, they didn't sell the big ones anymore. They sold the little ones. So these are hand-me-downs, right? Right.

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He had like two of the big ones and filled with photos of him in a Mexican prison. His wife's coming to see him. They're drinking Corona. He's got prostitutes coming and they would come and stay for four or five days. Like you could come for five days and then my wife comes for five days that I can't have a visit. That's a visit. 10 days, you staying with me for 10 days in prison.

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And then I can't have a visit for like five days or something. So, I mean, he was insane. And then he actually showed pictures of the inside of his cell. And almost all the cells had these, they were like oriental, well, they were like Afghani rugs or oriental rugs.

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And he said the reason he had them, he said, oh, I put all those in because they were wrapping the drug shipments in the rugs and having them shipped to Using them as shit. So, you know, I got tons of these things. I'm giving them away. So we said, hey, bring in some of the rugs here. We want rugs with this concrete tiles. Right up. Like he had the whole he had his whole cell redone.

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And at one point there were bunk beds in his cell. Some of the pictures had bunk beds. And then suddenly one of the bunk beds was gone. The top bunk bed. And I said. What happened to the top bunk bed? Because he had a one-man cell. Right. But it had two bunk beds and they were in concrete. So I had to have that taken out. He said it was – he couldn't speak great English.

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It was interrupting or it was interfering. Like I – Pete knows it. Pete would translate. He'd go, interfering. He was interfering. He was interfering with my fucking. Like, you know, that thing's coming out and I'm fucking. But, you know, this thing's coming out of the wall. Right. And, you know, so I was like, I told him, you got to get rid of this thing. So the guards had it taken out.

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But it's insane. The cartel had a whole wing of the prison. Yeah. They had catered meals. It was insane. This guy was in there. Hilarious. I mean, tragic, of course. But it was just like, you go to prison and you... I always say that. I feel like I went into prison with a GED and fraud, and when I got out, I had a master's degree. If I wanted to do something now, way more dangerous.

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Yeah, way more dangerous. That's the same thing with guys I meet where you talk to them, and you're like, well, where'd you get this contact? And they're like, oh, yeah, yeah, well, I was dealing with these guys, but then I went to prison for maybe six months or a year, and I got this guy, and now I was getting it directly from the cartel. It's like...

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Let me lock in with him. Yeah, it's a mutual relationship. It's not like they need people here and they need U.S. people. Like they can ship, they can send over 50 Mexicans, but they'll eventually get picked up. Like they need an American that has a distribution network. That's it. That guy's worth his weight in gold. That's it.

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So what was the next thing? What happened? You had this network, the gang, you're getting more and more members, you're making money. What was the next, were there any obstacles, things that came up, arrests? Yeah.

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You're 26, 27, and that whole time you never got arrested? You didn't go do any prison time?

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Do you know how sad it is that you don't know what the different?

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Yeah, I go to a bar. I feel like that's a bad, that's just a bad. I'm saying I badged calls. I used to just send shit.

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Sleazeball? There's not a problem with him. He sounds like a solid guy.

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No. It's for me to hold.

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They right. Just for appearances, they put the cuffs on him. This story is bad.

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I ain't my friend. I think at that time, there was so little going on at Coleman. They started looking for stuff like, yes, now. Now they're doing sweeps and finding 200 cell phones. There was almost no cell phones back then. It was like one or two. Yeah. They find drugs. They've got people dropping off drugs on drones.

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Meanwhile, real quick, did you drink the stuff? Yeah, I drank the stuff. What does that do? Make you throw up? It makes you throw up. By this point, have you throw it up? No. Okay.

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They got officers bringing it in because all the officers that were there when we were there, they're gone.

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She get her hanger all back out, dry it out, resell it. It's all gone by that night.

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They're trying to do five. How does that work? You're sentenced to 20. You only have to do five inside. Then you're on paper for 15.

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In RDAP, they would say that he's holding resentment. Holding resentment. Man, listen, you're not willing. You're not willing to trust. You're not. That's. I hate it, RDAP. All right. I'm going to try. I don't know.

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Yeah. Instead of something you can't do. What are you thinking? You can't do that.

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Oh, fuck. I'm not taking. I know. I know for a fact. You were brushing your teeth and you didn't shut off the water. You left the water running. Oh, no, no.

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Nice. We walk around scared all the time. It may be everywhere. Oh, yeah.

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Shit, I could have never pulled off a cold mess. Remember the morning meeting when everybody's facing each other, right? Like guys would, guys are so scared there that guys are like, somebody would say something and they start to talk to you and guys would be like, I mean, it was like, they're terrifying.

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No, what was, what was that? Let me see.

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I listened. I could have never done it. Never finished Coleman. Never. Yeah, never. Somebody told, well, somebody, Zach was telling, basically telling me, like, Art App, like, in the, in, like, the pens and stuff, like... you know, the whole pulling someone up. Yeah, yeah. Like they do pull ups, but it's completely orchestrated.

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But they made it smaller though. You can't go all the way over by the hand because they couldn't want because they couldn't watch it. Right. People didn't play. Yeah, I was going to say, yeah, all those. So when COVID came through, almost all the officers, they because they were making too much money.

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So he was like, turn a blind eye or get a black eye. What do you do? I forget what they... What is it when you... I can't believe I can't... Oh, you forgot your favorite program? You forgot what... That's correct. I wrote a book about it.

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It's when you're... It's when you're... Well, ask me... When you're helping someone, you're actually enabling. Thank you. Yeah, you're enabling someone. Yeah, you would always know the orchestrated ones where somebody pulls somebody up. I noticed that your uniform isn't ironed today or that you need a haircut or you haven't been shaving regularly. You're not taking it.

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And then they would have something. And everybody's like, come on, man. Are you serious?

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No. Yeah. So they had a guy one time. There was two things. I have one guy's talking to two girls working both of them. Right. So they made him pick which one and call the other girl and tell her, I've been talking to this other girl, this other woman. And I've been telling her this and this, and I wanted to come clean and tell you the truth.

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And then calls the other girls as look, I've been talking to her and I, I'm going to be with her when I get out and basically kick the other one. Another time was a guy was, he was about the goddess time off. Like he's literally, he's about to graduate and go straight to a halfway house. The girl had put a couple thousand dollars on his books. Oh, yeah.

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He convinced this chick to put a couple thousand on his books so that he had money. When he hit the halfway house, he could get a phone. Now, she could have bought all that for him, but he had her convinced because he was going to cut her loose. Right. Like, give me three grand. She'd saved up money, sent him three grand.

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So they forced them to take retirement or they were tired because there were so many officers getting COVID because it was so rampant in the prison. They didn't want to get it. So you're those off, you know, 90 percent of them are fat and old and like they're like, I don't I don't want to get COVID. I could die. And it's all throughout the prison. So they were taking early retirement.

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And so the DTSs found out, listened to the call, probably somebody else told on them, but you were probably bragging about it. Bragging about it. But they listened to the call, they brought them in, and they were like, either you can get kicked out of RDAP, lose your year, you're definitely not coming back to this RDAP, so I don't know where you're going to do RDAP.

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So you just lost a year, you're going to do another year, or you give her the money back. Of course I'm going to give her the money. Thank God you told me about that. I'm embarrassed I took the money. I never took the money. I don't know what I was thinking.

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Everybody signed the roster, even if they didn't come to class. Everybody definitely signed the roster. Even if you don't know the material, don't worry about it. I got you. All right. I'm going to make it work for you. That's how I taught the real estate class. You give me a coffee and two creamers and you run past the test. You run get the certificate.

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They were there to learn. There was always some guy asking stupid questions. Why are you taking the class if you already know all this? And I'm just sitting there like, listen, I was a gangster. I was in that clash. I was chainsawing Matt Cox. That's like, I always tell Jess, I said, listen, over the telephone, I'm fucking six foot tall. I'm a badass over the telephone.

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You get in front of me, you're going to get a different version of Matt Cox. I'll be like, listen, I know, I understand. I can see how you're mad, but over the phone, I'm a badass. In that clash, like I was king of that class and they all want, they all want, they all thought I'm going to learn. I'm going to get out and I'm going to do this.

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So to them, this was a way to come up with a plan where they could make a bunch of money and not have to go out and sell drugs. And the other thing about that program too is, by the way, and I know you heard me say this, is that real estate is so funny because people in real estate watch this program. So they probably appreciate this, but it's absolutely true.

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in real estate and flipping houses is probably one of those few areas where being a drug dealer is a huge benefit because you know everybody in that neighborhood. You're not afraid to go in those neighborhoods. You're not afraid to knock on those doors. People will give you a good deal, right? Because they'll sell the houses to you.

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And they would, and a lot of times, and I've had this happen to me, Where in those communities, a lot of times they would rather sell it to other black people within the community than to sell it to some white guy. Yeah. You know? So a lot of times you can get good deals. Yep. And you can help fix those houses up and flip them.

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And which was good for the BOP because if you're making $90,000 a year, you've been there 15 years, you're making $80,000 or $90,000. You retire, we can go hire somebody for $30,000. The problem is the most senior officer at Coleman Lowe now has like three years experience. Oh, yeah. So three years, he can't figure out.

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So the hustler mentality of a drug dealer is to your benefit because a 35-year-old divorced white woman isn't going to go knock on doors. No. In a neighborhood next to the project. No.

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So it was one of those times where, and those guys could see what I was saying, like the money, it makes sense. It's not that hard. No. So once you understand that, okay, so you buy it for this, you do this, you do this, you sell it, you make that, you know, once you start kind of understand, you buy low, sell high. I mean, it's not hard.

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So, yeah, I mean, so those guys love that class. Yeah, I love it.

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Man, I'm going to say it's bullshit. Oh, well, there would always be some guy who I would say, so you buy the house for $80,000. You fix it up for $20,000. You sell it for $140,000. You make like $40,000, right? But you also have to pay this. And I start breaking it down. So ultimately, you end up making a profit of, let's say, $30,000.

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And there would always be some jackass who would sit there and say, man, but then you've got to pay taxes on that $30,000. Right. What? And? And? So, you know, and that was, you know, that was usually my response. And? Like, are you telling me that's your problem with this scenario? That you're afraid, damn it, now I have to pay taxes? Well, then go work at McDonald's.

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Have the, have them take the taxes out. You can ride your bicycle to the room that you're renting. And so I had all these. See what I mean? Smart ass. Yeah, see what I mean? I just sit there like. But I mean, like, like, or, you know, and so like, if, if, if, Paying taxes or avoiding taxes is your biggest problem. That's a problem I want to have.

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I want to have a problem where I'm making so much money. My biggest problem is that I have to try and figure out how to pay as little taxes as possible. Like that's not an issue. So I would say that. And of course, then the guy would shut him down and he, this fucking prick, but he wouldn't say anything else again. Then I'm good. And I keep it.

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And I taught the class so, so many times that you have the same basic type of people. So they say the same stuff. So you have the same smart ass content. You get to be really good at it. Real good. Listen, I had guys that would walk out of that class and shake my hand. I had guys, when I was teaching in the medium, there were guys that I wouldn't look in the face. I was so scared of them.

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They were six foot three. They got like a 30-year suit. They've been locked up 20 years. And I'm walking by these guys. And all of a sudden, I'd hear Cox. And I'd be like, oh, what? And they go, good class. I'd be like, oh, okay. And then they'd walk out of class. Like the next day, we'd teach class. And guys would walk in and be like, hey, Cox. And I'd be like, yeah, what's up?

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They'd go, hey, man, that was good class. And I'd shake my head. Hey, okay.

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because you definitely because you definitely taught a good class even when you you find the credit and you taught a great class and i'll give you that it's somebody asking them dumb ass questions you know the problem with that is the only time i ever had an issue and then we'll get right back to this but um the only time i ever had an issue was where these guys would go um they would say uh

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Why are you telling everybody all this? Like doing the rooming houses or whatever, flip it out there. But man, why are you telling everybody all this? They're going to go out and they'll do it and then they're going to ruin it for everybody. And I'd say, what? First of all, do you realize I could tell a thousand people how to do this? It's an absolute formula that will absolutely work.

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The truth is what most people lack is the confidence to do it. To do it. Follow through. Right. They won't follow through. They won't risk it. Most people have a multi-million dollar idea within their lifetime. I don't know about you, but most people are not multimillionaires because they just didn't – they won't act on it.

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It's safer to get a job, a regular job, W-2 job and work that job than it is to say, hey, I have an idea and I think it will work and it's going to take a little bit of money and some time on the weekend. I'm going to have to not watch that Netflix special. I'm going to have to work on Saturdays for the next two months. Right. But I think it will work. Most people will say –

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Nah, man, I'm not going to do that. They're not going to risk that.

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People don't call on Sunday. I was just saying, we talked to this guy here. He's like, they'll call you at 1. They'll call you at 2.30. They'll call you at 3. They'll call you at 3.45. He's like, you got to go every time because they'll go to somebody else.

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I made so much money. So what happened when you... So you went to jail on that charge. Uh-huh. You did, did you do five?

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So you act like it's shocking that they charged you. You had a cell phone, liquor, and I wasn't in for... That's nuts. Well, guess what? He's backing you up. He's shaking his head like, yeah, yeah. You're still incarcerated. Guess what the argument was in the DA?

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They had, so they didn't have gas lawnmowers. No way. Fleece lawnmowers. We called it fleece. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was blades. It's funny. So you could have blades on a lawnmower, but you can't have a gas lawnmower. So you would have to push these lawnmowers to cut the grass. And they had the inmates who did it.

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You didn't get out and get a regular job? No. You didn't start selling life insurance?

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No. I need him. What do you mean I'm always going to save him? Like you're going to take over. So they were hoping they could hold you off by like being buddies with you and kind of just shuffling you a little bit of money. Nah, that's what I'm going to have. Like you could just be a foot soldier now. That's what I'm going to have. I need him.

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So you came home and there was, when you say a conspiracy, there was already the guy that I came home dealing with, they already had a conspiracy going on. So they were already being investigated. You just stepped into the investigations. They add your name to the list.

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I didn't see no reason for me to need a job. I was paying my fines. I was out. First of all, they have to put it together like, well, you don't have a job. How are you paying your fine? And I can't see you selling lawnmowers. Yeah, no, this is better than what we had in prison. We had these push ones in prison.

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They would make knives out of it. They'd break them apart, and they'd kick them apart, and they'd end up with a knife that's slightly twisted, with a slight twist in it. Okay, so let's go back and start at the beginning. Were you born in Georgia? Yeah, I was born in Alabama, Georgia.

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They were just, they attacked it or keeping me from. Right, from saying, hey, this is what needs to happen. Right. Right. But are things happening automatically?

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Well, so was your mom and dad, I mean, how many brothers, sisters? So I have any brother or sister where your mom and dad together?

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you were wrestling with the gun that shot your brother. What happened to him? Oh, you know, going to prison. Okay. Did they get him right away?

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Right.

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So it was just bad, it was a bad situation. Did you shoot when you were firing back at that guy? When you were blindly firing, did anybody get hit? I don't know. Oh, okay. Right, so you couldn't have been there and gotten all the way to where you guys were with the limo And because by the time you got there, it was already happening. And then you had to run across the thing.

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So they were trying to say, you were there first. You started the whole thing. You were there the whole time.

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Yeah, get you tied up and thrown back in prison for a little bit.

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So how long was it until you got arrested and went to prison? Problems. Let me see. That was in August. Real quick, how much time did that guy get? I think 85 years, I think.

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And they would have gave him like 20, 25 years if he ain't going to try. How did your little brother and him even get, like you saw it from a distance, what actually happened there? There was just a dispute? They got into a fight?

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So you got arrested following that. How much longer until you got arrested?

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But now, shit, look at Obi's eyes, his eyes went so, but dang.

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So he did a murder bed, got out. re-offended almost immediately and went back in. Went back in.

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I ain't playing with no people. You just saw your lawyer just explain. They just explain, this is what they've got. This is what they're saying. These are the people that are going to testify against you. Do you want to use 25 years or do you want to take five? I was going to get a life sentence. Okay.

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You know what I mean? You know, most of these guys, like from the outlaws, the biker gangs, like they've gone to state, they've gone to state trial and beat like state murder charges, beat another state murder charge, beat another state murder charge, beat a drug conspiracy. And then the feds come in and get them for something minor. And give them everything they can give them.

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And bam, they get 30 years. Like that's it. It's like. All these charges that they beat. And then so finally they get frustrated and they call the feds and they basically, it's almost like they say, set them up on a charge. Yeah. That basically did them right.

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I was at Talladega Meeting High. Okay. So you were there and then you went to Coleman? Okay. And then I went to HVU. Okay. Okay.

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you didn't like the fact that there was like six or eight punks that would walk around the compound and be like I hated it I hated it and you would see like it would be like a gaggle of you know

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man you know they call them you know punks you know you know like a gaggle of punks they and they'd be waving to people like they'd see some guy would be walking and they'd be like hey and they and all of them would go hey we used to be on like we could go out of rickyard to work out and they just see you know i'm not wrecking out with no city here they had a whole they had a whole baseball team yeah it was made oh kickball yeah yeah ball they had a kickball team i remember that

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Just the fun. They had karaoke night. No. They would sing. No.

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Hey, this is Matt Cox. And I feel funny with you being here. All right. Listen, just for your information, I feel silly doing it, okay? So don't think, boy, he's taking it natural. He's very natural. I feel silly, okay? So I know what I sound like. All right. Just don't be an asshole the whole time. I'm not. So, what's so... Is that I know how hard... How you want to come off hard.

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Knocked everybody down. They let them came out, and they cooked them real food. They were dancing. I heard they had dance, like, dancing. Eight of them. We're talking about, like, there's, like, 30, 40 people. They had a big party.

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You can't be free with nobody. They were, um... What did they say? They were not flipping them. They were, um... Turning them. Turning them out. They turned out so-and-so. And then every other month, they would have a punk come on the compound that had, like, real fake tits. And, like, fake tits. At one point, there was, like, three guys that had fake tits on the compound.

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They called them Canberra Geeks. Oh, yeah, they are. They had Tyler Swift. Man, I hated it. I promise I did not want to come to prison. Michael, what's it? Nicki Minaj. Nicki Minaj. I hated it. Michael Minaj. They were getting married and shit. Why am I here? How did I get here? Listen, karaoke night was pretty entertaining. Man, I hate it. I promise I hate it. I hate it.

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I did not want to come to that prayer. See, you know, we were on a different round of time. Like, I would be like, you know, I would go in the compound and be like, hey, they're having karaoke night. And guys would be like, fuck you. I go, come on. Fucking karaoke night singing. Get the fuck out of here.

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So you're saying these are guys that joined the Bloods while incarcerated? No, no, be specific. Coleman. Okay. Coleman. And they took a test? Was it a multiple choice test?

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Wait, wait, what was his name? You just mentioned his name. I was locked. I was in a halfway house with him. Gemini. Gemini. He was terrible. And Gemini was like filthy.

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He died in the halfway house. I know he did. That's why he was going to be a DJ. You know how many knuckleheads there were that would go...

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uh that would you know they they'd like they rap all through their prison sentence they were going to get out and be a rapper and like and then yeah yes two months later you find out like you you're you're you're putting you're you're installing pools like what happened to the rap thing yeah that did you could agree yeah you met a girl and that's it no works um uh it's funny jim and i this is i i so i'm in the halfway house right uh

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And Jim and I was there. And the reason it makes me think about this, you'll think this is funny. So when I taught the real estate class in Coleman, I had taught, there was a guy that took the class. White guy, pretty big guy. He was like six foot tall. And he was only in jail for six months, eight, maybe 10 months.

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I think he did get two or three years, but he was, by the time he got to Coleman, he barely did any time in life. Right. But he remembered me. And so he had take, he said, I remember he sat to the class. So he sat through the class and then he got out and he kept track of where I was. Like would check the BOP computer every once in a while and saw that I was getting out soon.

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And he knew that I was gonna go to the halfway house. So one day I'm sitting there in the halfway house and Jim and I comes up to me. He goes, hey, he said, Cox, you need to go outside. And I go, for what? And he goes, there's a guy outside for you. And I thought it was like, another guy in the halfway house. Right. Like some guy wants to talk to me outside. And I went, who is it?

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And he goes, Oh no, bro. But you need, you need to go outside. And I could tell you, it's not like you're in trouble. Right. You need to do this. And I was like, fuck. All right. So I get up and I walk outside and there it, so, you know, outside that, well, I don't know what house you were at, but at this halfway house, guys would go outside to smoke. Right.

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So you got like 30 guys standing outside smoking in the parking lot. So there's 30 guys standing outside smoking. And so I walk out and as soon as I walk outside, I look over, there's a white Lamborghini with a blonde chick.

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driving it and the guy that was in my Coleman thing sitting in the passenger side and all 30 guys are literally 10 feet away smoking cigarettes like and I see me the guy goes Cox Cox Cox. And I, you know, and I kind of recognized him. Like I knew I knew him from somewhere. And the only place I can know you at this point from you, if I was a color limit.

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So I go over to, I go, I walk up, but you're not supposed to talk to anybody. Remember? Yeah. You can't talk to anybody. Yeah. Well, I mean, I'm in the parking lot. No, I'm saying even in the halfway house, people can't come see you. They have to be approved. So the halfway house, they had a fence in the bed where we smoked and the people can't do that. No, no.

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They told you, like, if one of your friends comes by, don't think you're going to stay in the parking lot and talk to them. We'll send you right back to fucking prison. Right. Everybody has to be approved, just like in prison. They have to come through the air. So I see him. I walk up to him and I'm like, what's up? He's like, hey, man, I know you were getting out. He starts talking to me.

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I'm like, and then it kind of dawns on me. Oh, shit. Yeah. There's cameras here. There's 30 guys here, you know, and I'm like, oh, yo, bro, I can't. You got to talk to me. I work at a gym like I work at. I tell him the name of the gym. I go, yeah, well, you're gonna get me fucked up. I got to go. And I turn around, walk off. He contacts me a few days later.

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But yeah, but I remember, listen, after that. Can you imagine? I walk out. I'm talking to some guy in a fucking Lamborghini. Everybody in the halfway house is now saying, yeah, what's up with you, bro? What's going on? And then they start looking me up. They start watching the American Greed episode. Next thing I know, all the officers have watched it or the staff has watched it.

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So now I'm walking around. They're like, Cox, what's up? How's it going? I'm like, what's going on?

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And they would, like, get out. Like, he promised them a job and everything. They'd get out and call. Like, this one guy, Brandon, called him two or three times, left messages. Finally, Brandon called and Lance's wife picked up the phone and said, listen, he's not going to call you back. He don't want anything to do with you. He don't want to talk to you. He don't want anything to do with you.

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He said, don't call again.

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I'm like, what, Lance? That bill's like $2.7 billion out of the health company? It was. It was in the billions. Yeah. You thought he wouldn't have told you? Well, you know, I just... So here's what bothers me. Is that I would... Okay, so listen. I was raised upper middle class, right? So... But I met some great people in prison. I met better people in prison than I knew prior to going to prison.

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I mean, I just... I mean, like I went, yeah, I guess Lance was trying to, like, I remember he, you know, they sent him, he went to trial, lost. They sent him to the pen. Like he got the shit kicked out. You remember he was missing a tooth. He got the living shit kicked out of him in the pen. Like a couple times.

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They kept him in his shoe until they sent him to the, they held him long enough to like, they sent him to like the low, I think. So I get that. Yeah. But I mean, you know, to me it was like, I got, I was just like, I'm just going to have to make the best of it here. And I remember thinking to myself, Either you're going to not mouth off.

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You're just not going to talk to anybody the whole time you're here. Or you're going to run your mouth. And every once in a while, you're going to get fucking slapped. Which one do you want to do? And I thought, I'll survive the bitch slapping more than I will just not talking to anybody. So I'm just going to walk around and joke around and fuck around.

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And if every once in a while I piss somebody off and they get in my face, well, that's all right. That's going to happen. Nobody expects me to be a tough guy. Right. So that's why I was just like, I'm just, let's joke around and fuck around.

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And as a result of that, I think I met some great people, people that literally I got out and I still communicate with, people that I got out and they would, you know, they'll ask me to send them some money or can you mail me a book? Absolutely. I don't have a problem with that because nobody was doing that for me. So, you know.

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but i learned a lot from you so it's just like why fuck with matt like because i would have stood up even though you could have stood up for yourself i would have stood up for you because like matt not fucking with nobody you would stood up for yourself man listen i say i say so because i don't think people understand it so and not everybody's watched all the podcasts but what i did it basically in prison was i used to go at the at the low so it's funny because at the medium like the

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the library is like almost always empty. But at the low, people don't want, they didn't want to go outside and work out. So they would, when they called the move, you could either go to the rec yard or you could go to the library or culinary arts. Or if you had something, your job, whatever. But if you didn't want to go sweat your ass off in the rec center, you went to the library.

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The problem with that was for someone like me who I'm not really going there to avoid being outside. I'm going there because I'm writing a book. Writing a book. So I would bust my ass and race all the way over there. Well, first, I was just sitting anywhere. Like I said, at any table, when I first got there, and I'm going there and I'm writing, I'm writing.

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And multiple things happened in the library. Like there was just a few big, long tables. Then they broke them up into small tables. But what I started noticing over the course of a couple of weeks was there was one table where there was like five or six black guys that were sitting there. And I could see they were writing. Does that make sense? You know, you could see they were writing.

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And then one day, and that's why obviously it got around that like, well, you know, those guys all write, they write like urban novels. And I was like, oh, okay. So then one day, I got there and somebody left. I forget how I ended up sitting at the table. And they're writing and I'm writing. Well, one of the guys goes, what are you writing? You do legal work? And I said, no, I'm writing a book.

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And they were like, what do you write? I was like, well, I'm trying to finish my book. I wrote a book about me. And they were like, oh, okay. I said, what are you guys writing? And they don't even really want to talk to me. They're bugging me. Anyway, so we start talking. Over the course of a week or two, we start talking. And they're asking me questions.

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And I basically had finished up my book by that point. And I was writing. I was writing another book. I was writing, I think I was finishing Deverelli's book. And so they started to understand that. And then I kind of explained that I was finishing up the manuscript and they saw that I had like a literary agent. People are coming to see me. They're starting to look me up.

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They're starting to say, oh, wow, that's interesting. And I'll never forget that at one point, Deverelli's book was done. I started writing this kid's book, Doug Dodd. And they were like, well, what's his story? Because I kept telling them, listen, you guys are writing urban novels. And I said, they're like, yeah, well, they sell some, you know, they would write a book.

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And some of these books, you get them published, they make $6,000 or $7,000 or $13,000. There was one guy that sat with us for a while, and then he got transferred. He'd written like five or six books. And he had started writing urban novels like 10 or 15 years before. He had like a huge sit-in. Yeah. When he first started writing, very few people write in urban novels.

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Okay. Was your brother, were your brother, did you have two brothers, one brother? How many brothers do you have? So my mama had four kids at the time.

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So he put a couple of them out and they would make $12,000 or $13,000. Like in prison, that's a lot of money. That's a lot of money. So if you made $12,000 over the course of two years, that's a good chunk of change. And he's got multiple. His problem was, he was like, the problem is everybody's doing it now. So it's watered down. So now I'll finish a book and put it out.

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And even though I've got all these other books and people know my name, he said the books make a couple thousand dollars. Yeah. And I was trying to explain that to these guys. I was like, well, you know, so-and-so said this and they didn't, well, mine's going to be huge. Mine's going to be huge. And they're like, well, you don't think yours is going to be huge?

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I said, I'll be lucky to publish mine. I don't care if it's huge. I enjoy doing this. This is how I do my time. This is how I do my time. Well, when Dodd came in, so when Doug Dodd came in, I remember saying, listen, this kid, he's got an okay story. You know, it's not the greatest story, but I think I can make it great if I just focus on this and this and this.

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And they were going, were you going to write it? And I was like, well, I think I'm going to write a synopsis, a very short story version of it. And they were like, why? You can't sell that. I said, no, but what I could do is I'm thinking I can send it to a bunch of reporters and try and get him into a magazine. If I can get him into GQ magazine or something, then I can probably get a book deal.

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And I remember Kay and all of these guys were like – Like, what? Like, bro, what? I said, yeah. I said, because think about it. What gives me credibility is that I'm in prison writing these guys' story. What gives him credibility is his charges. So I said, what you guys all have, you don't seem to realize it, is what gives you credibility for the first time in your life is that you sold drugs.

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Like you should write a book about you and that drug. The whole drug thing in your story, you could make it amazing. They don't want to do that because they want to sensationalize it. Right. And I'm like, it doesn't matter if you're a poor kid from the projects that didn't have a fucking prayer, then that's a good story. They couldn't see that. They couldn't see it.

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And so when I told them Doug Dodd's story, they were like, what's so big about that? I go, well, you know, I'm going to focus on the fact that all these five guys were on the wrestling team. The fact that they were all clean cut white guys. That appeals. The pills. Yeah, yeah. So as they were all kind of clean cut white guys, you wouldn't expect this from.

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It was the beginning of the pill mill epidemic. So I started explaining everything and they were just like, and you think you're going to get him in a magazine? And I was like, yeah. And they were like, all right, all right. So I finished the synopsis, write it. I move on to something else, but I mail it out to about eight different reporters. A couple of them come back.

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One guy comes back and says, I can do the story. Then we get the story done. Then it ends up in Rolling Stone magazine. And I'm talking about little pieces here and there. And then one day I walk in and I, boom. I said, hey, you said I couldn't get it. And they're just like, they're like, he's a motherfucker. And I'm like, yeah, Rolling Stone magazine. Hey, that's my name right there.

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Look, I wrote it. And they're like, oh my God. So then within that goes out and they were like, what are you going to do now? What are you going to do now? I said, well, now I'm going to take the articles and I'm going to send out about 50 to about 50 different literary agents. I'm going to get a literary agent that's going to get me a book deal. And they're like, Man, how's that going to happen?

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So that's six kids living and your mom's raising six kids. Six kids. And it's five boys, one girl. But we got a, we got a close-knit family.

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I said, I don't know. You think you can do that? I said, no, but I didn't think I could get him into Rolling Stone magazine either. I thought I'm going to try. What happened? Do you know how many things, even to this day, I try that don't work? Yeah. I wanted to be on Jordan Belfort's, you know, Jordan Belfort, the Wolf of Wall Street. I want to be on his podcast, right?

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Not so much because I care about being on his podcast. It's not going to help us, right? It's not going to give, I'm going to get, if I'm on Belfort's podcast, it's going to get me 50 new subscribers. His crowd is not my crowd. His crowd is a business crowd. But I'd like to go so I can get photos with him so that I can say like, hey, I was on Soft White Underbelly. I was on Vlad.

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I was on Valuetainment. I was on Jordan Belfort, The Wolf of Wall Street. I want to be able to say that. So you know what I did? I made four small paintings of Jordan Belfort. And I packaged them up and I sent them to his house. And he got them and he signed for them. And he got them with a letter saying, hey, my name is Matt Cox. I have a podcast.

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Here's who I am, you know, and explain the whole thing. Check out my pockets. I'd love to come to Miami and be on your podcast. I have a redemption story, blah, blah, blah. Right. Never heard for Jordan Belfort. Was that a waste of time? No, I don't, I don't need to hear from him. You know, I've sent, what, what was it? Do you know what happened with that? With Grant Cardone? I know Grant Cardone.

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Sorry. Graham Steffen. Graham Stephan is another guy. He's got a huge podcast. And the truth is, honestly, Colby could make a couple calls. If I was willing to fly out to Vegas, I probably could be on the iced coffee hour. He could probably make a couple calls and I'd probably be on the iced coffee. That's one of this guy's podcasts.

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I made some screen prints of Graham Stephan, sorry, Graham Stephan and his wife or his girlfriend. Fiance? Fiance. Fiance. Same thing, made a few, packaged them up, sent them to him. Graham got them. And Graham, through my booking agent, said, thanks, I really appreciate it. Well, I really appreciate it. Not what I wanted. I wanted a, you've got to come out. Right.

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But honestly, I probably could anyway. We just made a few phone calls. But I'm saying like, I'm done. I've mailed off. I remember this guy. Do you remember the big black guy? His name was, I wrote a story called The Gap about him. His name is Donovan Davis. He got like 17 years for a Ponzi scheme that had nothing to do with him. Anyway, he's Jamaican, but he's actually got heritage from India.

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There's a huge Indian population in Jamaica. So anyway, wrote his story. I sent off his story to probably 30 reporters. I never really – well, I actually did get a bite. I got a bite from somebody. But then she said it was too complicated for her and she wanted to write a story on me instead. So even though that seemed like a waste of time, it did help. It did something.

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I've written lots of letters that went nowhere. I've done lots of things that went nowhere. And just like I didn't think I could get those kids – into Rolling Stone or GQ or any national magazine, I didn't think I could get a book deal either. But it's worth writing. So what did I do? I wrote 50 letters. Sure enough, got a book deal. I have a book that was on Barnes and Nobles. We got a check.

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And then we optioned the life rights. Didn't even know what optioning the life rights really was. We optioned the life rights for them. I got a check. When I got to the halfway house, I got another check. They optioned it again. Like I hit the halfway house for 300 bucks, no, $400. And I just went to, I went to Walmart, spent $300, had about 90 bucks left on my little card, you know, the card.

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And my ex-wife calls me on my cell phone that my brother bought me. on my cell phone and says, you got a check here from that law firm. And I go, open it. She opens it up. She goes, it's like six grand. And I was like,

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me day thank god me day I wrote those right I was able to get a car I was able to like it changed a ton and so it's like all those things that I did that weren't supposed to work that didn't matter because I had all that time and sitting at that table and talking with those guys and even you know even hashing out different you know how to say this how would you say that how would you like those guys kept me

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You know, they kept me sharp by the constant back and forth, back and forth. And they were, they were hilarious. I mean, and I, and I didn't fit in there at all. Like I was the odd man, but, but what was so funny about that was it was just, I always had a place to stay. Because I didn't always get there first. Like sometimes I'd walk in and Kay would be there and nobody's sitting there.

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So you've got this library, by the way, people are standing up, standing up, sitting at the tables, standing up, and you've got one guy sitting at a table where you've got five seats sitting there and nobody's sitting down. Guys would go to sit down and he'd be like, don't sit there, don't sit there. And the guy would be like, I'm going to sit here.

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And they'd get up and move or he'd sit down and then And then everybody else would sit down. Sometimes you'd get somebody who'd be like, they just sit there like, I'm not moving. I'm not moving. And then you'd have Snoop or somebody walk over and stand there and just stare at the guy and say, I'm telling you, you need to get up right now. You want to get up right now.

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And the guy would be like, oh, shit. And they'd get up and leave. Maybe at the same time, if I got there. I'd put books on all the things and be like, bro, somebody's sitting here. And I'd be like, I swear to God, you don't want to sit here. I mean, I'm doing you a favor right now. You don't want to be here. And if enough people, they see it, they know. And they're like, yeah, don't sit.

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It was like when you were sitting there, it was helping. It was like helping everybody. It was like, look, you know, like, oh, I can't write a book. Yeah, you can. You don't have to write a book today. Today, write the first page of an outline.

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You telling me this right now? I remember this whole thing because I remember Pete, my buddy Pete, talking about how there was a typewriter missing in one of the units and it was a big deal and what's wrong with these guys? And I have never, like, if I told Pete that story right now, he'd be like, oh my God. Because they didn't, they'd never figure it out. I put it up on my bed.

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Yeah, I was going to say that it's funny because, yeah, I think sitting at that table and having that time and trying to do something with that time, you know, teaches what taught, what helped to teach me long-term planning. Yeah, without a doubt. And I, you know, it's just, and that, you know, it's not that you just, it's incremental planning.

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little gains every day a little bit here a little bit here a little bit and guys used to say all the time like man you must write fast like no I write slow yeah I just write every day I write I just write a lot I write every day and I rewrite it and I because there's no great writers there's great rewriters yeah and so nobody sits down and just knocks it out so you just write it and write it and I was like look sometimes I'll spend a whole day and I'll end up with like I would spend five hours and end up with one paragraph right some days

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I spend all day and I did it with three pages. You know, it's in the end or the long term. One day you look back and you go, holy shit, I got I'm done. I got a book. And so, you know, those I feel like those things really helped in the long term. And doing that and sitting at that table and having those guys have that table available helped me write books that to this day I'm getting checks from.

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Right.

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like i don't i have passive and it's not a ton of passive yeah but it's passive you get a thousand extra dollars a month for me a thousand dollars is a lot of money right and it's because i was sitting at that table same thing because i'm sitting at that table i'm optioning stories and now i get out and i'm able to option stories that i wrote seven eight years ago ten years ago right stories that you get you know they're not huge options but you get a check-in for 3500

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$3,500 is a lot of money to me. Right. It may not have been a lot of money to me before I went to prison, but it's a lot of money to me now. And it's money that I'm getting that took nothing now. It's something I made that money 12 years ago. Right. And it is all from sitting at that table.

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No, they don't want anything to do with you. I just want to create them all. Well, that's why I publish everything on Amazon now. Yeah. Because they're, I don't want to say they're useless, but for, you know, I don't know. I, you know, I had two books published. I've made more money on Amazon than I ever made off of those books. And I'm glad I had them published.

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I'm not saying I'm not glad, but I just feel like I've made more money. And I think that in publishing, you have the guys that are bestsellers who make a chunk of money. And then you have the guys that aren't bestsellers who make nothing or very little. So, but yeah, I always love the fact that we had that table. I just wish those guys would have listened to me. Yeah.

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Because they never really got out of that thinking. It was, even after they would write one R of a novel, they started on another one. And I would sit there and go, bro, write your story. Why don't you write, not just your story, why don't you write his story? Mm-hmm. Because maybe it's hard to write your story.

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That shit is not happening. It's funny going to prison too and being around those guys and writing some of those guys' stories. Like, I know you're saying like some of the people in your neighborhood went and they had jobs, they had this. But typically, so, and obviously you have 10 kids all raised by their mother or their grandmother. And-

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you're going to have, you know, five of them are going to go into selling drugs and crime and five may go get a job, a regular job and be a regular person, you know. But had those, those 10 kids had a husband, had a father and a mother and been in a better situation than maybe only two of those kids would have gone. You know what I'm saying?

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So in my opinion, from reading these stories about these guys, and it was even funny as you read some of the, like Snoop and his brother, Hawkins, his last name is Hawkins. DV, DeVell Hawkins. Snoop and DV, if you read their life, I mean, bro, they just didn't have a chance.

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right i don't know you know what i'm saying like like i i you know prior to going to prison and probably prior to writing all those the different stories and hearing the different because you know although i've written a bunch of books i've written like two dozen synopses and i've heard way more stories than i ever wrote right like you tell me guys would come and they tell me a story and we'd spend three hours listening to the guy's story and it and i it unfortunately it

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And so we're still here. So what were your brothers? Did your brother join gangs or? That's the crazy thing about brothers, right?

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It wasn't good enough. Like, it's not good enough for me to devote three months of my time to write your story. And I'm sorry. And it's a great story. It's a tragic story. Right. You were raising the project. Your mother was a prostitute. Your father's in and out of fucking jail. Your brother sold drugs. This guy sold drugs. Everybody you knew that had any money at all sold drugs.

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And I hear... It's phenomenal. Right. The problem is... If you're a middle-class white kid hearing that story, it's like, oh my gosh, I can't believe that. But the truth is being in prison and hearing those stories over and over again, it's like, this isn't unique. No. Like, unfortunately, that's not a unique story. It's a tragic story.

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It's probably an amazing story, but it needs it for me to dedicate my time to it. When I was locked up, it has to have some other element. And what Snoop and DV's story had was one of the kids they grew up with

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ended up heading the task force the drug task force in their county and they started working with him and he's telling them where the drug dealers are that have money and setting it up so he's like there will be no cops in this area at this time from this time they'll all be here and You guys – and I'll listen to the radio when you guys go and rob this guy. He's probably got $50,000 or $100,000.

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At the very least, he's got 10 kilos of coke. And they would go in and rob the guy. I remember. So, he has the same story. The difference in that story is that you're working with – that's training day. Yeah, that's training day. So, that's worth writing. Right. Even though, you know, they're – but I don't know. So, I mean –

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Yeah, but I really feel like those guys, not me, I feel like those guys missed out by not seeing the stories that were all around them. And you know why it was? It's because it's so common to them. Yep. They didn't think anything was common about their story. They would tell me the story and I'd be going, holy shit.

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And they didn't think it was they didn't think there was anything special because they know all their buddies and cousins and friends. And they've all been arrested in and out of jail, dealt with snitches, dealt with crooked cops, dealt with. That was just it was normal, normal everyday life.

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I single had to live later in life. You're like 13 years old. I was later in life. I mean, when they were 15.

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So they would rather talk about some some guy that ended up, you know, working with the cartel and doing this and had 50 planes. It was it was like, what are you doing, bro? Like, that's not a story. No, not real. No. Anyway, yeah, that's too bad. That's probably like my biggest regret of spending that time there. Not even the fact that I was in prison. Right. But they all had amazing stories.

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Kay's probably got a great story.

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kind of commission those everybody here you know what y'all what would be a good one for like high school students or junior high students is a book or not even a book it could be just a a synopsis it'd be 10 or 15 20 pages is just the sentencing guidelines Like kids have no idea. I did have an idea.

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How much trouble they think, oh, I'm just selling a little meth here, a little meth here, a little meth. You sold meth four times and you turn around and they're charging you with like half a key of meth and you're looking at 25 years or you cooperate against these guys or you plead guilty and take 10 years and you're like, I'm 19 years old. I've sold four drugs four times.

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Yeah, but we also have somebody who said you've been doing this since you were 50. When I was 15, I sold a little here, a little there. I stopped for three years. Nah, it doesn't matter. We're going to add up everything from 15 to here by the seat. Right. That's what they said. And if you don't. then go to trial.

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Because you go to trial and we're going to get four of your buddies to testify against you. Or guess what? We'll just hold you without bail and we'll get four guys or three guys in the jail with you that don't even know you and they'll come to court on you. And they'll testify that you told them that.

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Sie haben Tens von Billionen von Dollar gemacht. Ich glaube, Sie glauben jedem, was Sie sagen. Back in my world, there's kind of two examples I use pretty regularly. So eBay would be one example and Google is another example, where they heavily, heavily make tons of money off of fraud. So most fraud eBay does not make any money off of, so they will try to stop it.

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And for those who know nothing about eBay, ihre Fraudsysteme sind wahrscheinlich zehn Jahre vor deiner Bank. Sie sind viel besser als jeder andere, wie viel besser. In der Tat, alle anderen Firmen, wie die Googles der Welt, alle anderen Firmen, sie haben alle von Ebay gelernt. Alle Mitarbeiter, die weggegangen sind, haben ihnen gezeigt, wie sie es tun. Ebay war weit vor jedem anderen.

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And the only reason we really knew about it, I mean, I'm sure individuals knew about it and I'm sure the IRS knew about it, but the reason why the kind of larger security community now knows about it

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Sie haben das Budget. They had the budget. It was one third of the company was trust and safety. So it was an enormous amount of work put into it. So their fraud systems were amazing. But there's one type of fraud, as an example, that there was basically nothing. In fact, there was literally one, I think it was maybe one...

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vielleicht so viele wie fünf totale Linien von Code, um diesen einen Art von Verbrechen zu verteidigen, welches einer der meisten gemeinsamen Art von Verbrechen ist. Du denkst dir, warum würde das sein? Warum würde sie sich verändern? Alles andere hat Tausende von Tausenden von Linien von Code, um gegen sie zu verteidigen.

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Viele verschiedene Sub-Fähigkeiten und verschiedene Programme funktionieren und all diese Dinge passieren. Und die Leute sind beteiligt daran, darauf zu konzentrieren. Aber warum ist einer der meisten gemeinsamen? Sind es nur fünf Linien von Code, die niemand besonders interessiert, um zu reparieren?

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Und diese Art von Kode fragt nur, ob man dieses Item von der gleichen IP-Adresse bietet, auf der man das Item aufbaut. Also, sagen wir mal, ich habe ein Beanie Baby gelegt, damals, als diese Dinge populär waren, für etwa 5 Dollar oder so. Das ist ein schönes Beanie Baby, vielleicht geht es normalerweise für etwa 7 Dollar oder so. Und ich sage, mein Minimum-Bid ist 5.

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Und dann sehe ich, dass ich vielleicht eine Person habe, die es für etwa 5,30 Euro oder so bidet. Well, that person's interested. I know I've got someone who's interested. So I can bid on myself and say, well, how about for 545 or something? And they're like, oh, someone, oh, I'm bidding on someone. Yeah, it's called shill bidding. It's the actual technical term for it.

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ist, weil diese zwei Windschützer, die nach ihnen fuhren, und der Grund, warum sie darüber herausgefunden haben, ist, weil eines Tages geht Intuit weiter und ihre Ausgabe-Ratio für Menschen, die Kreditkarten schweigen, ist, weißt du, was auch immer es ist, 0,1 Prozent.

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Und du kannst das programmatisch machen. Du musst es nicht mit deinen Händen machen. Es gibt viele verschiedene Mittel, um es zu machen. Aber der einfachste Weg ist es, es auf dem gleichen IP-Adress zu machen. Also du logst in eBay und dann logst du aus eBay. Du kreierst einen anderen Account und du logst in diesen anderen Account und du kaufst das Items selbst.

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Und wenn du das Item unangenehm kaufst, spielst du nicht wirklich eine große Menge Geld, weil du nicht wirklich PayPal nutzt. Du wirbst es nicht selbst. Du kaufst es nicht. Also du hast nicht all diese Kosten. Du erhälst nur den Kosten auf Ebay, äh, den Liste-Kosten, was klein ist.

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Also, äh, also, du verdienst viel Geld, wenn du erfolgreich bist, und du verlierst eine kleine Menge, wenn du falsch machst. Also, die Leute sind so, naja, das ist Bullshit, also, offensichtlich ist diese Person die gleiche Person, sie loggen, sie loggen von der gleichen IP-Adresse, etwa zehn Minuten später oder so. Also, Und Ebay hat gesagt, wir haben eine gewisse Kontrolle über dieses Problem.

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Und so haben sie den absoluten Minimum-Effort möglich gemacht, um sicherzustellen, dass es durchgeführt wird. Denn wenn du es von Ebays Perspektive denkst, passieren zwei Dinge. Sie machen einen Prozent der Aufsicht auf der PayPal Seite, wenn der echte Deal durchgeht. Und sie machen die Liste-Fee. Also je mehr dieser Transaktionen durchgehen, um eine höhere Anzahl zu haben, desto besser.

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Damals, als sie PayPal verkauften, verkauften sie nicht mehr. Ja, es gibt keinen echten Unterschied. Es gibt keinen Vorteil aus Ebay-Perspektive, außer wenn du dieses Spiel genügend Male spielst. Du spielst es Millionen und Millionen von Malen. Was dann passiert ist, dass der roughe Preis für Items von einer Marktanzahl erhöht wird. V.a. für Komponenten.

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Nicht so viel für Sachen, die man in einem Swap-Meter, einem Flea-Markt oder einem Antik-Store finden kann. Diese Super-Raren-Items werden immer immer so sein, wie sie sind. Aber die Komponenten, wie Zähne oder Lichtblumen oder so, die man auf Amazon kaufen könnte, werden auf die Plattformen gehen, die man erwarten würde. Es ist also nicht mehr der günstigste Ort, um Komponenten zu kaufen.

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Ja, ich kann einfach nach Wal-Mart gehen und es aufbauen. Ja, und vielleicht auch günstiger. Wobei es früher bei Ebay günstiger war, weil ich etwa zehn extra Lichtblumen hätte. Und ich denke mir, ich werde einige Lichtblumen verkaufen. Aber jetzt

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weil Lichtpulver generell so overpriced sind und es so viel Showbidding geht, dass es vielleicht ein paar Lichtpulver gibt, wenn ich sie einfach reinstecken kann. Aber normalerweise wird es immer den gleichen Preis sein wie jeder andere oder vielleicht noch schlimmer. Also nicht eine tolle langfristige Strategie, aber eine tolle in der Kürze. Und der andere ist Google.

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Google hat in meiner Meinung eine ziemlich steile Geschäftsmodelle. Die meisten Leute sind nicht sicher. Sie sind kein Search Engine. Sie sind ein Ad Engine. Wenn du auf Google suchst für Hotels in Miami oder so etwas, Es gibt praktisch nichts auf der Webseite, was tatsächlich ein Suchresultat ist. Es sind alles wie Links zu anderen Google-Produkten.

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Es gibt vielleicht ein Map mit einer ganzen Menge eurer euren euren euren euren euren euren euren euren euren euren euren euren euren euren euren euren euren Das Ding, ein paar Ads, du weißt, ein paar Sachen, die nicht ein Search Resultat sind, also Search Resultate sind eigentlich so weit runter, dass die Leute nicht einmal realisieren, dass es fast keine Search Resultate auf Google mehr gibt.

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Intuit betreibt TurboTax und QuickBooks Online, glaube ich. Ich glaube, QuickBooks Online ist derjenige, über den ich gerade sprechen möchte. Aber sie haben auch ein paar Banken und so. Sie sind eine ziemlich große finanzielle Firma.

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Ähm, ohne dass du wirklich weißt, was du tust, und du scrollst runter und du kommst über all diese Sachen am Top und auch dann ist es ein bisschen schwer zu erkennen. Aber wenn es so ist, wie was ist mein IP-Adress oder so etwas oder was ist eine Übersetzung oder was auch immer. Du kannst nie, nie einen anderen Website treffen. Du wirst auf Google bleiben und du wirst die Übersetzung dort machen.

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Sie versuchen also, die Leute auf Google zu halten, so viel wie möglich. Und der Grund, warum sie das tun, ist, weil sie viel Geld auf Ads verdienen. Und ihre Ad-Engine repräsentiert, und ich weiß nicht die aktuellen Zahlen, aber etwas in der Linie von 100 Millionen Dollar pro Jahr. Das sind viele Ads. Das sind viele Ads. Und sie machen nichts auf der Search-Engine. Nichts.

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Es gibt kein Geld dafür. Sie machen ein wenig Geld auf der Search-Engine. Sie hatten eine Search-Appliance, die sie für eine Weile verwendet haben und einige andere kleinere Produkte. Aber wirklich, es sind YouTube-Ads und Google-Ads, AdSense und AdWords. Und so war das wahrscheinlich etwa 20 Jahre her. Ich war auf der Beratungsstelle eines Firmen namens Click Forensics.

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Und Click Forensics, ihr gesamtes Geschäftsmodell war, dass wir glauben, dass es viel mehr Fraud in Googles Ad-Engine gibt, als die Leute realisieren. Und ich wusste, dass das wahr ist, weil ich vorher an einer Firma gearbeitet habe, die Value Click heißt. Und Value Click war die damals die besten Anti-Fraud-Systeme von all den Double-Clicks und Fly-Casts der Welt hatten.

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Jemand, der diese Advertisements auf Webseiten verwendet. Und die Grund, warum wir die Beste waren, ist, weil ich die Click-Fraud-Gruppen infiltriert habe. Und ich war tatsächlich drin, als einer der Leute, der Kode handelt und sie klickt, um meine Ads zu klicken. Und ich klicke auf ihre Ads. Und du wirst eine gute Menge Geld verdienen. Und ich wusste, dass keiner der anderen Leute etwas hatte.

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nahe zu dem, was wir bauten. Google war etwas besser als die Anzahl, weil sie durch die Erkundung von DoubleClick einen Teil von ValueClick besitzt haben. Sie haben also das Amateur-Fraud-Engine, das wir gebaut haben.

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Sie waren also etwas besser als alle anderen, aber ich wusste, dass das System noch nicht sehr gut war und sehr stark basiert auf einem Mann wie mir, der Click-Fraud-Gruppen infiltriert hat, was ich wusste, dass sie nicht machen wollten, nachdem ich weg war. Als ich mit ClickForensics eingestellt wurde, dachten wir, dass wir viel Fraude finden können. Ich sagte, ich weiß, dass du das tun wirst.

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Ich gab ihnen einige Ideen, wie man das machen kann. Sie fanden riesige Mengen von Fraude durch die Systeme. Zum Beispiel gab es ein Stück Code namens ClickBotA. ClickBotA klickte auf Ads über die Internetseite. Man surfte die Internetseite, klickte auf Ads den ganzen Tag.

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Du konntest also nie sagen, was die original Ad, die sie klicken wollten, war, weil genug Ads geklickt wurden, dass du nicht sagen konntest, welches fraudulent war und welches nicht. Sie konnten also nicht einfach Leute auslösen. Das hat nicht wirklich funktioniert.

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But anyway, so one day they noticed their chargeback ratios, the amount of people who called in the Visa Mastercard and said, hey, someone stole my credit card and used it at QuickBooks, went from whatever it was, 0.1%, which is typical, to like 10%, like some huge number. And typically when you hit numbers over like, say, like 6% or 7%, Visa Mastercards start finding you like crazy, like crazy.

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Und aus Googles Sicht sind sie auch so wie, naja, das ist eine ganze Menge mehr Revenue für uns, weil sie Geld für jede Ad gekauft haben. Und also haben sie den Namen geändert, Click Forensics hat den Namen zu Adometry geändert. Und ich gebe dir einen Wunsch, wer Adometry gekauft hat.

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Google ist also die einzige Firma, die am besten versucht hat, und ich würde nicht sagen, dass sie am besten war, sie waren so gut, aber sie waren trotzdem ziemlich gut bei der Identifizierung von fraudulenter Klick-Fraud durch das Google-Ökosystem. Wir bestätigen jetzt, dass, äh, naja, ich zeige dir noch eine kurze Geschichte, um dir eine Idee zu geben, warum ich weiß, was ich weiß.

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Also, ich habe etwas Forschung gemacht über etwas völlig Unrelevantes. Ich versuchte herauszufinden, wie möglich es ist, dass jemand etwas im Browser klickt. Also, wenn du eine Feature tief im Browser versteckst, du musst Files, Settings, blablabla, wie möglich ist es, dass es klickt auf das Ding?

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Und im Wesentlichen war ich interessiert in dieser einen bestimmten Sache, die Advertisern von einem Tracking stoppen würde. Und es war eine Art von fehlender Idee von Anfang an. Es wird nie funktionieren. Aber es war ein interessanter Anwendungsfall, weil jeder, der darüber gehört hat, wollte aufhören, Leute von einem Tracking zu stoppen.

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Und so wusste ich, dass Internet Explorer etwas wie fünf Klicks oder vier oder fünf Klicks war. Firefox war drei Klicks und Google war etwas wie sieben Klicks. Natürlich wollten sie niemanden nicht, um sie zu stoppen, denn sie machen all ihre Geld darauf, Leute zu tracken und sie zu verkaufen.

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Also das war meine Konjunktur, dass ihr seht, dass Firefox eine sehr hohe Anzahl von Leuten benutzen wird, die diesen bestimmten HB-Header benutzen. Wir sehen Internet Explorer in der Mitte der Packung und Chrome wäre viel weniger und exponentiell weniger Leute, die diese bestimmte Feature aufwenden. So I contacted a banner advertising company that I know.

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Alle anderen waren wirklich, wirklich niedrig. Warum ist es 10%? Das kann nicht richtig sein. Es macht keinen Sinn. Ansonsten hätte Microsoft selbst einen Patch ausgerollt, um es anzuschalten. Es gibt keine Art und Weise, dass es so hoch sein würde. Es sollte etwa 0,001% sein.

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Ich meine, die Teil der Advertisierung, hey, du kannst das machen, es ist einfach. Leute, die wissen, wissen. Und das ist das Ding. Es ist so ein kleiner Grupp von Leuten. Es gibt keine Chance. Denk an, wie viele Billionen Menschen auf der Erde. Ich denke, es war vielleicht 3 Billionen oder 2 Billionen oder so Internet-Usern auf der Erde. Erzählst du mir, dass du...

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Ich kann nicht mal die Mathematik machen. 20 Millionen, ist das richtig? 20 Millionen Menschen, die auf sechs Knöpfe klicken, oder was auch immer, um dort zu kommen? Nein, keine Ahnung. Keine Ahnung. Um sie zu beruhigen, um es zu machen, und um sie zu machen, ist es unmöglich. Das wird nie, nie, nie passieren. Außer es wird irgendwie automatisiert.

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Und ich glaube, dass eine der zwei Dinge passiert. Das ist entweder nicht wahr und ihre Logge sind irgendwie kaputt, oder Microsoft hat etwas seltsames gemacht. Ich habe also eine Menge Forschung gemacht, um herauszufinden, ob Microsoft etwas seltsames gemacht hat. Sie haben es nicht gemacht. Ich kenne die Leute bei Internet Explorer. Ist es irgendein Grund, dass das möglich sein könnte? Nein.

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So it turns out, it kind of just came to me, I'm like, holy shit, that's just how much fraud that this advertising system is getting. Because what happened is, and they might be getting more, but at least 10% of it, somebody, some hacker somewhere dumped what their browser looks like when they're legitimately doing a request and they had it turned on.

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Hunderttausende Tausende Dollar pro Tag, im Minimum, wenn du eine kleine Firma bist, und vielleicht Millionen, wenn du eine große Firma bist. Es ist also eine bemerkenswerte Anzahl von Backlash von Visa und Mastercard, weil sie es sofort stoppen wollen. Sie verurteilen also den Verkäufer dafür, dass diese Anzahl von Steuern durchgeführt wird. All of a sudden, all this fraud started happening.

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So they just copy pasted what the request looked like. Und sie senden es jahrzehntelang raus und klicken auf eine Menge Adressen. Und so hat das die Nummer erhöht. So it drove that number up to like 10% or whatever, despite the fact that it absolutely is impossible, like truly impossible. But now we finally had some real telemetry. I'm like, that means that, I mean, and that's the low bar.

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That's just what we know from that one mistake that that one hacker made. At least 10% of the amount of clicks going through the internet on ads are fraudulent. Das bedeutet, wenn es ein Jahrhundert-Millionen-Dollar-Advertisements für Google bedeutet, dann bedeutet das, dass ein Jahrhundert-Millionen-Dollar auf Ad-Fraud verwendet wird. Ich bin sicher, dass sie es sofort repariert haben.

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Eigentlich ist das eine wirklich gute Theorie. Das könnte der Fall sein. Du hast recht. Ich vermute, dass es wahrscheinlich einfach ein flat-out Fehler gewesen ist, basierend auf dem, was ich gesehen habe. Aber man weiß es nie. Vielleicht gibt es da noch weitere Dinge, wo er sagt, vielleicht gibt es eine Möglichkeit, dass einige dieser Ad-Engine diesen Header respektieren und mich stoppen lassen.

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Und wenn das der Fall ist, dann ist es toll. Es kostet mich nichts, diese extra paar Beispiele von Informationen zu verwenden. Egal wie, ich sage nicht, dass Google nichts macht, um Fraude zu stoppen, aber ich sage, dass, je nachdem, welche Zahlen sie veröffentlichen, wie sie es auf Ebay tun, sie haben keine Inzidenz, um dieses Problem zu lösen. Nichts.

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Und die einzige Art und Weise, dass das schlecht wird, ist, wenn genug Unternehmen realisieren, dass sie riesige Mengen an diesen Ads verbrauchen, die sie nie verkaufen werden, echte Augenbrauen,

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real clicks to their you know their you know their brand or whatever um i think that might if they start losing real revenue real revenue like in the neighborhood of like 50 billion dollars a year that might cause them to uh start re-evaluating their fraud models yeah it's funny i i do work for a company called uh home title lock

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Why? Why are they using fake credit cards on our site? Well, it's because at some point, some smart fraud guy realized that instead of getting, let's say it's $3,000 on average, instead of taking $100 out of the refund and giving it into it,

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Is it the buyer? The buyer must, you know, eat it, right? Yeah.

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Wenn du eine geschlossene Kreditkarte anbietest, um die 100 Dollar aus der geschlossenen Kreditkarte für die Nutzung von QuickBooks Online zu bezahlen, dann machst du plötzlich 3.000 Dollar anstatt 2.900 Dollar. Das ist also eine großartige Anzahl an Geld, wenn du genug geschlossene Kreditkarten hast.

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Du erinnerst mich an eine Art semi-relevanter Geschichte, um dein Haus von unter dir heraus zu bauen. Das ist nicht der gleiche Art von Verbrechen, aber du wirst sehen, was ich meine, in einem Sekunden. Also, das ist ein Kind von einem Freund von einem Freund, ein Freund, ein Freund, ein Freund, ein Freund, ein Freund.

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Sie wussten, dass der CEO der Firma, das ist eine kleinere Firma, auf einem Geschäftstrip weg war und er wäre auf einem internationalen Flugzeug für etwa sieben Stunden oder zwölf Stunden, was auch immer es war, richtig? Und so, äh, die Nacht davor, haben sie ein paar von diesen Pod-type Sachen geliefert, ähm, voll mit, äh, Kabelboxen, Tape, ähm, Marker, das Art von Sachen, richtig?

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Packungsmaterial. As soon as he was on the flight, they sent an email spoofed from him to the entire company and said, okay, I'm sorry, I'm leaving on a flight. I'm not going to be able to respond to anything. But this sort of emergency situation, we had a problem with our lease. We need to move everything into these pods because we're going to have to move to a new location.

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Don't worry, I got it all sorted. I'll let you know more details when I land. But for today, alle Sachen zu bekommen, sie in diese Pots zu legen, alles aufzupacken, alles aufzutasten. Und wenn jemand nicht auf der Arbeit kommt, muss er sich darauf achten, dass seine Sachen gepackt sind. Es muss von diesem Zeitpunkt aus da raus kommen. Wir haben einige Fahrer vor uns und sie werden es wegnehmen.

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Und es scheint, dass es viele geschlossene Kreditkarten gibt, die sie einfach in bulk kaufen können. Also sagten sie, das ist schlecht, wir müssen das sofort stoppen, weil wir viel Geld verlieren. Also gingen sie und hielten eine ganze Menge Forschung, um es zu schließen. Aber wirklich, alles, was sie wirklich tun wollten, war, die falsche Kreditkarte zu schließen.

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Aber es muss alles von diesem Zeitpunkt aus gemacht werden. Also hat jeder alles aufgeräumt, alles aufgetaucht, alles aufgeschrieben, wer es gehörte, was auch immer. Sie haben es in diese Pots oder was auch immer gelegt und sie haben sie weggezogen. Und sie haben nie wieder all diese Sachen gesehen.

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Not he, but the burglars. Yeah, yeah. So I think, you know, losing every single asset of your company, for a long time I thought that's the worst thing that can happen, but losing your entire house underneath you, I think might be the worst. Yeah.

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Sie wollten nicht, dass der Teil, wo sie eigentlich noch QuickBooks online benutzen, oder TurboTax online, ich glaube, es ist TurboTax online, Durch eine fraudulente Transaktion durch die IRS. Genau. Und der Grund dafür ist, dass sie zurückgingen und sahen, was das zu ihrer Grundlage bedeutet, wenn sie all diese Fraude entfernen würden, was das bedeutet.

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Richtig.

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Yeah, it is scary. Ich meine, das Verlangen deiner Leidenschaft ist auch da. Das Einzige, was wirklich weiter da ist, ist, dass es zu dem Punkt kommt, dass Leute dich persönlich nachkommen. Und das passiert, besonders wenn du mit den Kartellen oder diesen organisierteren kriminellen Organisationen oder Spooks involviert bist. Ja, ein Freund von mir wurde gestern im Übrigen gezwandert.

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Und er ist einer von diesen Leuten, der nur da ist und nur darüber redet. Ich würde nicht sagen, dass er besonders aufmerksam ist, aber er hat die falsche Gruppe von Leuten verpisscht und plötzlich müssen sie nach ihm kommen. You know, he's, you know, has a whole bunch of police show up at his house with guns drawn, you know, like pretty, pretty bad news.

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Und es ist ungefähr 100 Millionen Dollar zu ihrer Grundlage im Jahr und was sie nach Hause nehmen. Das sind keine kleinen Dollar für sie. Kannst du dir vorstellen, dass der Sicherheitsleiter in der Firma sagt, hey, ich würde gerne 100 Millionen Dollar Revenue abschaffen. Niemand wird dich ernst nehmen. Nein, das ist keine gute Idee. Wir können das nicht tun. Also ziemlich, ziemlich schmerzhaft.

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Ja, in diesem Fall haben sie ein E-Mail von ihm zu der Schulabteilung gespuckt, um zu sagen, dass er es schießen oder was auch immer machen würde. Und so haben sie die Schulabteilung geschlossen und sein Haus gerettet. Verrückt. Verrückt. Ich meine, das war ein versuchtes Mord. Und... Ich meine, da gibt es viele solche Sachen. Ich meine, es gibt sogar noch mehr furchtbare Geschichten.

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Wir haben einige ziemlich große Gruppen aufgenommen. Wir haben einmal eine ganze Stadt in Rumänien aufgenommen. Und im Grunde genommen hat jeder Mann in der ganzen Stadt in den Gefängnis gegangen.

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Ja. Also, aber du hast gesagt, es war, ja, das bezieht sich tatsächlich schön auf die Geschichte. Um, also wir, wir haben eigentlich ein paar Leute da eingeladen, um zu recherchieren, nur um ein bisschen Land zu bekommen.

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Und, um, und sie waren nur an einem Bar, nur, nur, nur, nur, nur, nur, nur, nur, nur, nur, nur, nur, nur, nur, nur, nur, nur, nur, nur, nur, nur, nur, nur, nur, nur, nur, nur, nur, nur. Wie? Wie ist das dein anderer Job? Und so endeten wir in dieser Stadt. Im Grunde alle Männer in der Stadt gingen in die Gefängnis. Und der Chef der Polizei war nicht in der Stadt. Er war irgendwo in der Hauptstadt.

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Und so, ein paar Wochen später, ist er verschwunden und ist einfach nie wieder wiedergekommen. Und wir sind ziemlich sicher, dass der Gruppe von Leuten, über die du sprichst, die Polizei, die uns informiert haben, dass sie wissen mussten, wie das passiert ist. Und so kannst du das nicht wieder machen.

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Wir haben ihn nie gefunden. Aber ja, also die Welt der Internet-Sicherheit ist sehr nah an organisiertes Kriminalität verbunden. Es gibt eine Menge Übergänge, was es für Praktizierer unglaublich gefährlich macht.

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eBay wäre ein Beispiel und Google ist ein weiteres Beispiel. Sie machen sehr, sehr viel Geld aus Fraud. Visa, Mastercard, sie wollen keine Fraude.

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Aber das ist ein Anwendungsfall für verschlossene Kreditkarten. Ich denke, dass es einen ganzen Wandel gibt. Was ist passiert? So weit ich mich erinnern kann, ist es immer noch so, weil sie 100 Millionen Dollar pro Jahr verdienen. Was kannst du tun? Du kannst das Tab nicht öffnen. Was zur Hölle mit diesen Ethiken? Nun denkst du, Visa und Mastercard, vielleicht kümmern sie sich um das Problem.

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Ja, ich erinnere mich an eine Geschichte. Es war ein... Ich vergesse nicht, wie sie diesen Typen ursprünglich gefunden haben, aber effektiv haben sie ein paar Fotos gefunden von der Person, die sie nachgefragt haben. Und dieser Typ ist ein High-Profile-Scam-Artist oder was auch immer. Sie mussten ihn wirklich finden. Sie haben einen digitalen Forensik-Experten, um die Fotos zu analysieren.

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Es sind also Fotos von ihm und seiner Freundin und einem anderen Mann auf einer Verabredung zusammen. Sie fliegen also von wo auch immer in Europa nach Sharm el-Sheikh in Ägypten, hingen dort für eine Weile und fliegen dann zurück. Es ist also eine 2- oder 3-Tage-Verabredung oder so. Aber es waren einfach nur Fotos von der Reise.

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Er und seine Freundin sitzen da, nehmen Fotos in ihren Sitz, im Hotel, was auch immer. Aber sie wussten nicht, wo es genau passiert ist, sie wussten nicht, wann, sie wussten nicht, wie lange, etc. Sie brauchten wirklich alle diese Informationen zu finden. Sie konnten also welches Flugzeug es war, aufgrund der Fotos auf der Innenseite. Sie konnten also erkennen, dass es diese Art von Layout war.

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Es war wahrscheinlich ein Boeing, was auch immer, was auch immer, richtig? Und sie konnten erkennen, in welchen Sitzungen sie waren, aufgrund der Fotos. Dann haben sie herausgefunden, in welchem Hotel sie geblieben sind, weil es eine Foto von einer Menge Trinken gab. Und man konnte unter dem Lappen sehen, dass sie den Namen des Hotels entworfen haben.

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Und dann hatten sie ein Bild von ihnen nachts und im nachtshaften Himmel, du konntest einen der Planeten oder so etwas erzählen, also wussten sie genau, wann das geschehen ist, genau. Und dann haben sie... Es gab noch ein anderes Foto von ihnen, die weggegangen sind. Sie wussten, in welcher Richtung sie gefahren sind. Sie wussten den Flugweg, der sie zusammengefasst haben.

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Sie wussten genau, ob es ein Inbound-Flight oder ein Outbound-Flight war. Es musste einer dieser fünf Inbound-Flights sein. Es war definitiv ein Outbound-Flight. Wer war auf beiden Flugzeiten? Sie konnten genau herausfinden, wer sie waren. Dann haben sie es zurückgezogen

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zu einer Kreditkarte, die verwendet wurde, um zwei Dinge zu kaufen, oder drei Dinge, die Flugzeuge, eine Kamera, die mit den XF-Daten innerhalb der Fotos verglichen war, und eine Rente, und ein Auto, ein Renteauto, glaube ich, war es. Aber dann mit einem Renteauto, konnten sie herausfinden, wo er mit dem Renteauto ging, weil es die GPS-Daten in es gebaut hat, oder was auch immer.

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Also ein bisschen früher als das, ich würde sagen, vielleicht fünf bis zehn Jahre früher, haben sie eine Firma namens Cybersource gekauft. Und Cybersource, im Grunde genommen, denkt es sich an einen Knopf an, den man schalten kann. Und so kann man den ganzen Weg nach oben schalten und alle Frauden blockieren, wenn man will, oder man kann den ganzen Weg nach oben schalten.

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Und so haben sie ihn erfüllt.

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Obwohl, du weißt, diese, sie waren eigentlich ziemlich schlecht daran. Sie, sie endeten mit jemandem getötet. Ich meine, das war, das war ziemlich schlecht. Ähm. Du meinst die Leute, die ihn folgten?

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Rewatch das, Mann. Die erste Hälfte davon ist, dass sie jemand anderes verletzt haben. Es war ziemlich schlecht.

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Yeah, you have to be really, really careful. You really have to know what you're doing. You can't just be some internet sleuth.

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I think they committed suicide, but, you know, that's... Come on.

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I think... I'm not picking myself out, no matter how much of a problem I... Yeah, you have to be really, really careful with stuff like this. You really do... Ich bin mit Fällen involviert worden, in denen sich jeder sehr auf jemanden gefreut hat, anstatt gute Beweise darauf zu haben. Und dann wurden die Türen aufgeräumt und es kam heraus, dass sie völlig unnötig waren. Warum machst du das?

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Nur weil du gefreut wirst. Du musst wirklich folgen, was wirklich passiert. Die echten Beweise. Das ist einer der Gründe, warum ich einen schrecklichen Beweis mache, weil ich meinen Weg aus dem Nichts auswählen kann. Was ist die Möglichkeit, dass du das falsch gemacht hast? Statistisch sehr hoch. Wie könntest du diese Daten jemals überprüfen? Na ja, unglaublich einfach.

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Das ist nicht, was sie hören wollen. Das ist nicht, was jemand hören möchte. Sie wollen es hören, wenn ich es mit meinen eigenen Augen gesehen habe.

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I would actually rather as you know, Selbst wenn sie absolut schuldig sind, würde ich sie lieber wegnehmen, als jemanden zu bekommen, der sie völlig unnötig ist. Sie werden in irgendeinem anderen Weg, in irgendeinem anderen Zeitraum getötet. Einer meiner alten Scammer-Freunde sagte, und ich glaube, er war sehr, sehr weise, er sagte, du kannst wirklich, wirklich gut beim Verbrechen sein.

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und erlaubt, all den Fraud durchzuführen. Es ist also ein Tuning Home. Also stell dir vor, dass ich meinem System sage, dass ich all den Fraud für die ersten sechs Monate stoppen möchte. Vier Monate, sechs Monate, so etwas. Denn nach etwa sechs Monaten als Merchant beginnst du zu sehen, was deine echten Fraud-Ratios sind.

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Aber man kann nur ein Krimi auf einmal machen. Und meistens, wie die Leute getroffen werden, ist, dass sie zwei Krimi gleichzeitig machen. Sie werden also steigern und sie haben Drogen im Auto. Sie werden nicht für die Drogen getroffen, sie werden getroffen, weil sie steigen. Und dann werden die Polizisten sie drüber holen, als wäre es wie ein Weh in deinem Auto, oder was auch immer.

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Oder sie werden, die Drogen sind oft sehr verbunden, sie werden extrem hoch, der erste Krimi, und dann werden sie etwas robben. Dann machen sie Fehler, weil sie hoch sind und sie vergessen, was sie tun.

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That's exactly right. You just screw up. Yep. Ja, ich meine, wenn du wirklich der beste Bankkrieger in der Welt oder der beste Jewel-Zauberer in der Welt bist, dann könntest du das absolut machen. Du kannst es wirklich machen. Ich meine, ich würde Banken in diesen Tagen nicht empfehlen, aber Jewel-Zauber, absolut. 100 Prozent. Du kannst das absolut machen.

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Du musst einfach der absolut beste Ninja-Stealth-Dude in der Welt sein und wirklich deine Scheiße kennen und genau wissen, wie all diese Sicherheitssysteme funktionieren und es wäre ein Vollzeitjob. No breaks, no vacations. This is what you focus on. Getting the next big jewel stuff done. This guy in Austin, just a couple of days ago, he got held down at a bar and he got his watch stolen.

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It's like a $300,000 watch or something. Crazy expensive watch. And they took an Uber home. They took a fucking Uber home. You know, like... Wenn du wirklich gut im Koran bist, musst du wirklich wissen, was du tust. Und du musst wirklich professionell sein. Ich denke, das ist das Problem, dass jeder denkt, es ist ein einfacher Weg. Es ist tatsächlich der schwerste Weg.

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Du musst tatsächlich perfekt sein.

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Es dauert etwa sechs Monate, bevor der Fraud durch den System weit genug durchgeht, dass du all die Rechnungen siehst, die passiert sind. Also sechs Monate sind die magischen Zahlen. Es kann hoch oder runter fluctuieren, wenn du neue Produkte oder Services hast, oder wenn du viel mehr Verkehr bekommst oder was auch immer, verschiedene Arten von Verkehr, das könnte dich ändern.

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Es ist wirklich nicht. Mit all den Kameras in diesen Tagen und all dieser Internet-Telemetrie und allem, was du zu Hause anrufen kannst, immer. Ich meine, es ist hart. Ich würde es wirklich nicht empfehlen. Oder wenn du in es bist und du es gut machst, ist es jetzt der Zeit, über deine Verabschiedung zu denken. Es wird nicht besser werden. Es wird dir sehr, sehr schwer werden. Sehr bald auch.

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Aber im Übrigen dauert es etwa sechs Monate. Nach etwa vier Monaten kannst du anfangen zu sagen, dass deine Rechnungen sehr niedrig sind. Sie sind etwa 0,01 Prozent oder so etwas. Sehr, sehr niedrig. Nun, ich werde den Fraud erhöhen. Ich werde mir mehr Fraude geben. Und indem ich das tue,

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Er war auch einer dieser Jungs, die... Vielleicht Anarchist, vielleicht... Ich fühle mich so, als wäre er... Typisch ist es immer jemand, der ziemlich scharf ist.

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Ich erinnere mich nicht mehr darauf. Aber ich erinnere mich noch daran, dass er von Austin nach San Francisco geflogen ist. Ich glaube, er ist in seinem eigenen Land gegangen. Okay.

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Well, it was sort of a customs deal. He was importing a number of drugs and all kinds of stuff. But how he actually got caught was he tried to import a passport, a set of legal passports. He wanted to create new identities. Right. So they... als die Leute, die das Ding verkaufen. Also, es war eine Sting-Operation. Und er hat es von seinem eigenen Site gekauft.

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Und dann haben sie es einfach zu seinem Adressen gefolgt. Und als sie ihn verabschiedeten, hatte er eigentlich sein Laptop geöffnet und in Silk Road geloggt. Er hatte ein Notebook geöffnet mit den Passwörtern, mit seinem Diary effektiv, wie er alles gemacht hat. Ich meine, es war ein sehr klarer Fall. Es war definitiv er. Es ist wie,

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Du sagst im Grunde zu Visa und MasterCard, dass die Rechnungseffekte zu niedrig genug sind, dass ich genug Steuern hinbekommen möchte, damit ich mehr Geld erzielen kann. Denn nicht jede Steuertransaktion bekommt einen Rechnungseffekt. Es ist nur eine kleine Fragung davon. Die meisten Leute schauen nicht auf ihre Kreditkarten.

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Ein paar verschiedene Leute haben versucht, es wieder rüber zu starten. Und ich glaube nicht, es ging irgendwo. Also, wie ich in dieser Geschichte involviert wurde, war etwa zwei Monate nachdem Ross in den Gefängnis geführt wurde, würde ich sagen, ungefähr. I started getting a series of emails from, you know, cartel members who wanted to start Silk Road 2. And I'm like, let's do it.

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And I'm like, I don't, why are you thinking I would do anything to do with this at all? And they said, well, we know that you're the real guy who ran the original Silk Road. And Ross Ulbricht was just your patsy. Why did they think that? Genau. Und ich sagte, meine Antwort war, ich bin es nicht. Ich bin nicht, wo du denkst, ich bin es. Ich habe das nicht gemacht.

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Sie sagten, klar, du bist es nicht. Das ist genau, was du sagen würdest, wenn du die Jungs wärst. Wie komme ich davon aus? Also, ich bin so, okay, warum denkst du, dass ich der echte Typ bin? Und ich bin so, du hast ihn wahrscheinlich getroffen, als er in Austin lebte, weil du in Austin lebst. Und ich bin so, okay, das macht einen Sinn. Du hast deinen zweiten bis letzten Blogpost geschrieben.

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Ich habe ungefähr 1.000 Blogposts auf meinem alten Website geschrieben. Und der zweite bis letzte war so etwas wie, wenn es eine Möglichkeit gab, meine Sicherheitsforschung zu übernehmen, die ich gemacht habe, vielleicht hättest du, wie mein Handel Arsenex, Dread Pirate Arsenex oder so etwas benutzen können und du könntest

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continue the research forward with using my name except for i didn't really feel like that was a good idea because i think the research should stand on its own i don't think you should tie it to any person so i said i actually didn't think that was a good idea but he's the dread pirate roberts on the hacker on the south road i was talking about the dread pirate our snake roberts and i'm robert uh so that that naming thing uh there was confusion there um i wrote some code a while back called slow loris

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Slowloris ist ein Angriffsservice-Attack-Tool. Es wurde verwendet, um Websites aufzunehmen. Es bekam viel Publikation, weil es während der iranischen Grüne Revolution verwendet wurde, um Leadership-Websites aufzunehmen. Und die Leute, die die anderen Arten von Angriffen gemacht haben, bevor mein Tool herauskam, haben das gesamte Land zerstört und alle Art von Problemen verursacht.

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Also war mein Tool sehr spezifisch für eine niedrige Bandbreite, sodass es den Rest des Landes nicht beeinflusst hat, sodass Protestierende außerhalb des Landes sprechen konnten. Auf jeden Fall, es wurde viel Publikation. Und so hat Ross Ulbricht Slowloris genutzt, um Webseiten von Wettbewerbern herunterzunehmen. Also habe ich es geschrieben.

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Sie bemerken nicht, ob sie noch 100 Dollar hier oder da haben oder was auch immer. Don't I wish. Don't I wish. So imagine now like six months has gone by and my chargeback ratios are still nice and low. I'll turn up the fraud a little bit more and turn it up a little bit more. Right.

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Es gibt eine Verbindung, obwohl es klein ist. Auch Silk Road war ein sehr gut designtes System, es war sehr sicher und es hat die Vorteile von etwas, was Web-Applikation Security heißt. Es hat viele Dinge richtig gemacht, um bestimmte Arten von Angriffen zu stoppen. Und mein Website war der Web Application Security Lab.

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Also steht es für den Grund, dass er und ich irgendwie immer miteinander gesprochen haben. Und ich habe ihm Tipps gegeben. Er könnte der Entwickler gewesen sein, aber ich war der Typ, der das alles hinter dem Master gelegt hat. Also.

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Nicht, wenn ich mich nicht kannte und ich die Situation nicht kannte, würde ich sagen, und wenn ich das in den New York Times oder Washington Post oder so gelesen hätte, würde ich sagen, das klingt, als wäre er der Kerl, richtig? Richtig. Und so bin ich so, naja, das ist ziemlich gut. Es ist nicht korrekt, aber es ist ziemlich gut. Was würdest du damit machen?

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Lass uns sagen, ich habe gesagt, nein, und ich möchte dich nicht helfen. Was würdest du damit machen? Na, wir würden dein Leben zerstören. Wir würden das überall ausbreiten, wo du dich denken könntest, und wir würden dein Leben ein living hell machen, und du würdest eigentlich nie einen Job bekommen, und wir würden dich überall folgen. keinem Deal. Okay, das klingt ziemlich schlecht.

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Okay, was möchtest du mir tun? Wir möchten, dass du uns Silk Road 2 mitnimmst. Was bedeutet das? Wir haben bereits einen Server. Du weißt nicht, wo es ist. Wir riskieren nichts, wenn wir das machen. Logge einfach in diesen Server und fange an zu bauen. Wenn du fertig bist, lass uns wissen und wir fangen an, den Traffic zu fahren.

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Well, so here's what ends up happening. So I go ahead and get access to the box. And it's on a Tor hidden service. So it's designed to stop guys like me from figuring out where it's located. But one thing I think that they didn't really understand is one of the things I'm very good at is decloaking things, figuring out where things are really located, figuring out who people really are. It's a...

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Du kannst viele Spezialitäten in der Computersicherheit haben, das ist nur einer von mir. Und ich bin auch Sicherheitsforscher, also finde ich nette neue Exploiten, Dinge, die niemand jemals gesehen hat. Und so habe ich einen Exploiten für Geheimdienste gefunden und habe ihn geklopft und herausgefunden, wo es wirklich war.

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Mit dieser Information habe ich das dann an die Leute gehandelt, die sich um solche Dinge kümmern, nämlich Interpol. Ein paar Monate passen und ich höre nichts. Ich habe diese Leute auf einem silbernen Plattel gegeben. Ich weiß genau, wer sie sind. Sie sind nicht das Beste. Ich habe die Leute angerufen, die sich um solche Dinge kümmern, und ich habe gesagt, hey, was zur Hölle? Was ist da los?

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Wirst du etwas darüber machen oder was? Sie sagten, oh, ja, sorry, Robert, wir sollten wahrscheinlich schon lange mit dir in Kontakt gekommen sein. Aber warte nicht mehr auf diesen Kerl. Dieser Kerl hat einen Job für den Rest seines Lebens. Also scheint das eine gemeinsame Taktik zu sein, wenn sie, wenn sie im Grunde genommen jemanden so hoch erwerben, um effizienter zu werden.

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Sie werden ein Vollzeit-Mitarbeiter in welcher Regierungen sie gehören. Und so haben sie jetzt einen Insider.

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Well, he did try to blackmail me. And I am sure he had done many other things that once they started investigating him, they put a bunch of pieces together. So that was enough to get going. And now he works for them. So yeah, I didn't end up building Silk Road 2. But it was an interesting foray into that side of the world. I wouldn't recommend it. But yeah.

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And so Visa and MasterCard realized quite a few years back that really what they're most focused on and they should be most focused on is retention of their users and how much their users are using Visa and MasterCard.

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So the, the security community does have a lot of these kinds of stories in them. Man kann die kriminelle Elemente fast nicht vermeiden, weil die Hälfte dessen, was wir tun, gegen die kriminellen Elemente zu schützen ist. Die Hälfte der Akteure in der Computer-Sicherheit ist also die andere Seite.

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Das kann die Form der Nationenstaaten nehmen oder die Form der kriminellen Akteure, aber es ist die andere Hälfte. Also, wenn man an Computer-Sicherheitskonferenzen geht, würde ich sagen, wenn man da rumläuft, wird man in Spooks und Kriminelle rennen. Das ist einfach die Natur der Biesten. Und es ist sehr schwer zu sagen, welches welches ist.

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Einige davon kommen zu den am einfachsten Orten, um sie zu verwenden, und andere kommen dazu, dass die Leute nicht fühlen, als ob sie immer eine Kreditkartenfirma nennen müssen und sagen, es wurde wieder verkauft.

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Sie sehen alle aus wie Nerds, die rumlaufen, einen guten Tag haben und zu viel trinken. Aber ein Beispiel, das ich mit deiner Gruppe hier sprechen würde, ist die Geschichte von Paul LaRue. Dieser Typ, ein normaler Computer-Duck, der Software baut. Diese Software wurde geplant, um die Computer der Menschen zu schützen, mit etwas, was man als Plausible Deniability Encryption nennt.

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Du kannst wirklich, wirklich gut im Krimi sein. Und meistens, wie die Leute getroffen werden, ist... Es gibt eine Situation, es ist eigentlich der größte Art von Fraud auf der Internetseite, von dem ich mich aktuell bewusst habe. Es heißt Surf-Fraud.

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Die Idee ist, sagen wir, du wirst von den Polizisten gebastelt. und du willst wirklich nicht auf deine supergeheimen Pläne abgeben. Lass uns sagen, du hast die nuklearen Kode drin oder so etwas. Etwas Schreckliches, richtig? Nun, es gibt mehrere verschiedene Wege, wie das heruntergehen kann, abhängig davon, wo du befestigt bist. Manchmal werden sie dich einfach ein paar Mal zerstören.

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Manchmal werden sie dich einfach in eine Hose legen und dich einfach auswägen, bis du müde wirst, in dort zu sein. Manchmal werden sie dich bedrohen. Du weißt, es gibt viele verschiedene Wege, wie das passieren kann. Aber im Grunde genommen ist es so, dass sie einfach nur wissen müssen, ob du es hast oder nicht.

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Wenn sie denken, dass du es nicht hast, dann geht ihr Wunsch, dich zu verletzen, deutlich runter. In vielen Fällen lassen sie dich einfach weg, besonders in den Vereinigten Staaten. So, but how do you get them to believe that you don't have anything if you've got this encrypted drive?

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Well, with plausible deniability encryption, you basically have this software that when someone comes beating you up, you can give them a different password than the main password and it'll decrypt and turn into something completely different. So instead of the nuclear codes, it's your nude photos or something that you obviously would not want out.

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Es wird wieder verkauft, weil das die Utilität der Kreditkarte bringt, bis zu dem Punkt, wo du sie nicht wirklich für etwas verwenden kannst, was du nicht musst, weil es einfach erstaunlich ist, es immer wieder zu verbrauchen. Das magische Niveau ist etwa 4, 5, 6 % oder so. Wenn die Rechnungs-Ratios so hoch werden, dann ist es ein Problem für uns. Sie sagen, man muss die Fraude reduzieren.

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And so it makes sense why you defend that password to the point of getting beat up and whatever. And it's plausible that you would want to use this software for such a purpose. Right. And so therefore it is very likely that you will allow them to continue to beat you up for a prolonged period of time before you finally give it up.

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So you basically just hold out as long as you possibly can, give them the fake password to the other thing and you can do multiple levels of this thing, right? So there can be many different levels of encryption. So maybe you start off with your tax forms. You're like, oh, I got my tax forms. That's why I use it. And then like a month later, you're like, fine, here's my nude photos.

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And then maybe a month later, it's like, okay, well, yeah, I cheated on my taxes last year or something. And like, Oh, das ist der Grund, warum du so viel hältst. Also, du gibst niemals die primäre Sache ab, die du wirklich, wirklich versuchst zu schützen, was auch immer, am very bottom of these layers of these onions.

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Anyway, this Paul LaRue guy developed this software and it was pretty clear by his employer that he had more or less stole it from them and was making it himself and selling it on the side. So they wanted to come after him and extract their pound of flesh for intellectual property theft. Und so flog er weg. Er hat einfach das Land verlassen. Und dann kam er.

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Keiner wusste, was mit dem Mann passiert ist. Also, Jahre und Jahre und Jahre und Jahre passen. Und... Wo war er? Niemand weiß. Niemand weiß. Also, Jahre und Jahre gehen und es gibt dieses Stück Software, das auf der Internetseite namens TrueCrypt ist. Und alle Sicherheitsleute wissen, dass es existiert. Viele von uns benutzen es. Ich benutze es. Ein paar Leute benutzen es.

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Ich weiß, wenn du in meinem Weltraum bist, benutzt du es wahrscheinlich oder etwas sehr ähnliches. Und jemand sagte zu einem Punkt, woher kam dieses Software? Wer hat dieses Ding geschrieben? Warum benutzen wir alle dieses Ding? Niemand weiß sogar, wer der Autor ist. Wollten wir nicht diese Frage stellen? Wir benutzen alle dieses Ding. Was ist das für eine Verletzung?

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Ist es von Spooks geschrieben? Wir müssen das finden. Irgendjemand muss einen Audit auf dieses Ding machen. Es war also alles auf der Hand, weil wir alle bemerkt haben, wie verletzbar wir waren, weil wir nichts über das Software wussten. Also machen wir alle diese Forschung und es scheint, dass es ein paar kleine Probleme gibt.

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Nicht wirklich verrückt, wie wenn man ein lokaler User sein müsste, um einen anderen lokalen User zu attackieren. Es ist also wirklich kein wirklich großes Problem. Aber gleichzeitig sind wir alle so, okay, aber wir können nicht darauf verlassen, nicht zu wissen, wer diese Person ist. Also hat die Industrie einen neuen namens Veracrypt geschaffen. Es ist also im Grunde eine Kopie von dem alten.

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Und dann sagte TrueCrypt, nicht mehr TrueCrypt verwenden, sondern VeroCrypt verwenden. Ich dachte, okay, ich glaube, jeder, der es geschrieben hat, stimmt, dass die neue Version besser ist. Und sie waren nicht ein schlechter Schauspieler in diesem Kontext. Um die gleiche Zeit begannen einige investigative Journalisten, in diesen Fall zu blicken und zu versuchen, was mit diesem Software passiert.

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Es ist so seltsam. Sie tracken es zurück zu diesem Mann namens Paul LaRue, den sie denken, dass er derjenige ist. Paul ist ein sehr interessanter Charakter. Er ist derjenige, der verschwunden ist. Wir wissen, dass dieser Mann eine ähnliche Software baut, die eine ähnliche Sache macht.

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Und dann fangen sie an, es zu einer Menge Mörder von Realitätsagenten in verschiedenen Ländern zu verbinden, wie in den Philippinen. Und es war ein bisschen unklar, warum jemand diese randomen philippinischen Realitätsagenten, diese Frauen, mördern will. Warum passiert das? Sie trackten es zurück zu diesen zwei Hitsch-Menschen, die sofort nach dem Fliegende nach dem Land flogen.

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Sie haben also Cybersource. So they're kind of in on it. I mean, they know that this fraud is happening. They could get the fraud to 0.01%. They could make it so it basically doesn't exist if they felt like it. But they also make money on that fraud. It's like the merchant makes money, they make money, and the average consumer just doesn't even notice a certain low rumble of fraud.

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Sie hatten mehrere Tage mit ihr verbracht, um zu schauen, ob sie genug über sie wussten, bevor sie sie getötet haben. Der zweite, Katharine. Vielleicht haben sie sie einfach kennengelernt. Ja, ich weiß es nicht. Aber sie hatten es definitiv ausgeführt.

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So they basically tie it to another murder that's almost identical. And they realize that this is a serial thing. They kind of figure out that the second murderer, I think her name is Catherine Lee, she was killed because Es gab ein weiteres Verhältnis, das sie zu Paula Rue's Team veröffentlichte. Sie musste viel Geld besitzen, ein Stück Gebäude kaufen für etwa 50 Millionen Euro oder so etwas.

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Ich vergesse nicht, ob das Nummer korrekt ist, aber egal. Eine sehr große Menge von Geld. Das Verhältnis fiel durch, dieser Typ flog das Land mit dem Geld. Und so haben sie gesagt, sie müssen jemanden töten, um eine Botschaft zu senden, dass das nie mehr passieren wird. Und so haben sie sie töten.

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Und so ist eine ähnliche Sache mit einem früheren Realitätsagenten passiert, wo sie etwas Schreckliches gemacht hat, und sie mussten sie als Resultat töten. Also war das ein Grupp von Realitätsagenten über diese verschiedenen Inseln oder was auch immer. Dann fangen sie an, den Hitman zurückzutrinken. Und wer sind diese Hitmen? Woher bekommen sie ihre Befehle?

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Und sie zurücktrinken es zu diesem armen Ranger, diesem ehemaligen armen Ranger, der viel PTSD hatte und sich mit diesem Mann, diesem Jungen, Paula Root, verbunden hatte. Und dann merken sie, dass dieser Typ ein Hitschmann für ihn seit Jahren ist. Und er macht also Kontraktschüsse für ihn. Und dann beginnen sie wirklich mit diesem Typen zu investigieren.

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Sie fliegen ihn um und gehen nach Paul durch diesen Typen. Und es scheint, dass er einer der größten Armbetriebe und Drogenbetriebe der Welt ist. Er hat die Somalier mit ein paar Waffen und Ammunitionen versorgt. Er hat Iran versorgt. Er hatte seine eigenen Fischboote, wo er Versorgungsmissionen zu verschiedenen Regionen hatte. Ein paar verschiedene Armbetriebe rund um die Welt.

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Eine wirklich faszinierende Geschichte. Und er ist einfach nur ein Computerlehrer. Weißt du, was ich meine? Ich denke, wenn du über Computer-Sicherheit denkst, musst du dich ein bisschen überlegen. Ja, Computer-Sicherheit, ja. Aber überleg es, wenn du über Moral denkst. Moral kann sich sehr leicht verändern, abhängig von den Umständen und der Perspektive der Menschen.

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die ökonomische Situation und so weiter, weshalb man viel mehr von diesem Art von Kriminalität in druckrelevanten Situationen sieht, in denen Menschen schwer auf Geld sind oder in weniger ökonomisch freundlichen Zonen sind, in den Mitteleuropäischen und Osteuropäischen Ländern.

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Ja, das ist genau so, wie ich einen der größten... Ich weiß nicht, wie man diese Wörter benutzen kann, ohne diese Wörter zu benutzen, aber CSAM-Gruppe in der Welt, Kinderpornografen und so. Ich werde versuchen, die Geschichte ohne diese Wörter zu benutzen. Ich will nicht, dass ihr euch demonetisiert. Ja.

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Also, effektiv gab es diese Gruppe, die sich P, das Wort U, für Universität genannt hat. Und es war eine Art Duel on Tundra, das bedeutet, es gibt junge Kinder, die sich in der Universität befinden.

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Uh, that we're going to be doing bad things too, but also we will teach you how to do it. Um, so, um, it was a pretty big organization, like maybe a hundred or more different people in it. Um, and so we were trying to track them. I had a anti, um, Das P-Wort-Gruppe. Es heißt Ethical Hackers Against That P-Word.

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Und was wir gefunden haben, wir haben die Gruppe für immer monitoriert und alles war encryptiert, also kann man nichts sehen, oder es ist sehr selten, dass man etwas sehen kann. Jedes Mal ist es etwas, das sich durchschneidet. Aber einer der Jungs, einer der Hauptjungs, der das ganze Ding durchgemacht hat, Es gibt eine Art Initiativprozess, wo sie dir die Tools beibringen müssen.

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Also kommen Leute rein und sagen, ich weiß nicht, was ich gerade mache. Und sie müssen sagen, okay, wenn du das willst, hier sind die Tools, die du brauchst. Und du wirst lernen, wie du das machst. Und du musst anfangen, das zu tun, was du hier machst. Weil wir können dir sagen, wer du bist, bla bla bla bla bla. Und dann wächst du in diese Sache, wo du viel schwieriger bist.

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Und dieser eine Junge... Teil davon ist, Proxys und Hackmaschinen zu nutzen und solche Sachen. Du kommst also nicht aus deiner eigenen IP-Adresse. Dieser eine Junge kommt und er ist neu. Er spricht in einem ungeencrypted Chat, was ziemlich typisch ist. Und einer der Händler der Sache schreibt und sagt, wow, Alter, das ist so seltsam. Du lebst wahrscheinlich auf meiner Straße.

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Verdammt, du bist wahrscheinlich mein nächster Nachbar. Das ist so seltsam oder so etwas. Und ich dachte mir, wow, worüber spricht er? Weil er nichts dazu gesagt hat, wo er wohnt oder was auch immer. Und ich dachte mir, was ist da los? Ich verstehe nicht, wie er das von der Nachricht heraus kennen würde.

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Und es war einfach, weißt du, ich habe mich für Tage überlegt, als ich darüber nachgedacht habe. Und dann habe ich angefangen, die E-Mail-Header zu schauen. Vielleicht gibt es da etwas in den E-Mail-Headern, das ich verpasst habe. Und ich habe mir gedacht, oh, warte, dieser Typ benutzt noch nicht eine Proxy. Er benutzt noch nicht eine Hack-Maschine.

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Und also hat er zu diesem Punkt noch keine Verbrechen gemacht, aber Oder zumindest nicht, wie ich es gesehen habe. Aber seine IP-Adresse ist eine echte IP-Adresse einer echten Person, die er noch nicht entkriptet hat oder noch nicht beschützt hat.

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Oder sogar wenn er es hat, ist es egal, weil der andere Mann die IP-Adresse anschaut und realisiert, dass es wahrscheinlich fast identisch mit seiner IP-Adresse ist. Vielleicht ist es ein Nummer ab oder so etwas. Und jetzt weißt du genau, wo er ist. Also alles, was ich jetzt tun muss, ist, dass ich schaue, ob jemand, der an diesem Block verbunden ist, oder was auch immer, ist.

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Das ist sehr einfach, um eine Subvention zu bekommen. Und das ist so, wie wir den Fall zerbrochen haben. Und dann haben wir über 30 Jungs zerbrochen. Wie Sie sich vorstellen, Ärzte und Lehrer und all diese Sachen.

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Es ist auch eines der Dinge, von der anderen Seite, von dem eigentlich versuchen, es zu stoppen. Es ist eines der Dinge, die man nicht aussehen kann. Wie, wenn du, weißt du, ich werde, ich werde, ich werde deinen Zuhörern einige der größeren Details verspüren, aber du weißt, Aber du siehst Leute, die auf Pay-Per-View reden. Du kannst ihnen sagen, was zu tun ist. Es ist ziemlich unglaublich.

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Und das sind keine Kinder, die 12 oder 10 Jahre alt sind. Einige sind noch nicht auf dem Weg. Es ist ziemlich f****** f****** f****** f****** f****** f****** f****** f****** f****** f****** f****** f****** Die Anzahl der Depressionen, die ich erlebt habe, die ich gesehen habe, ist off the charts. Ein paar Jahre passen und ich habe ein E-Mail bekommen. Es war sogar weirder als das.

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Es war eine Textmessage zu einer Form, die eine Menge Informationen auf diesem alten Hacking-Website loggte, die ich jahrelang vorgestellt hatte. Und ich dachte, dass es weg war. Ich dachte, dass es nicht mehr existiert, aber es hat immer noch funktioniert.

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Und so bekam ich eine Textmessage und eine verabschiedete Metadate über diese Person, die im Grunde gesagt hat, hey, Robert, wir müssen mit dir in Kontakt kommen. Und es ist so, dass ich von der FBI oder der Homeland Security bin. Und ich bin so, ja, richtig. Keine Ahnung. Voller Scheiß. Aber sicher genug war es das wirklich. Und so arbeitete ich an Ebay an dem Zeitpunkt.

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Und ich sage, ich habe keine Zeit, dich zu treffen. Sie sagen, nein, wir müssen uns treffen. Entschuldigung, es wird passieren. Wie heute. Ich sage, ich bin auf der Arbeit. Sie sagen, wir kommen zu deiner Arbeit. Ich sage, fuck. Sie zeigen sich in Ebay-Firmen. Und Ebay-Firmen, für diejenigen, die sich nicht mit großen Corporate-Umgebungen kennen. Es gibt einen Rezeptionisten.

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Es waren 10.000 Leute, die in verschiedene Orte gegangen sind und rausgekommen sind. Und hier ist die FBI, die direkt durch die Tür vorbeigekommen ist. Und ich dachte mir, ich muss euch gleich in eine Konferenzstelle bringen. Die Leute werden anfangen, Fragen zu stellen. Ich meine, ich habe in der Sicherheit gearbeitet. Ich würde sagen, in der Sicherheit.

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Ja, aber ich war auf der Produktseite der Sicherheit, nicht auf der investigativen Seite. Und du sagst, ich bin ein großer Schuss. Die FBI braucht meine Hilfe. Ja. Ja, ich war damals genug neu, dass ich das nicht entfernen konnte. Du kennst niemanden. Es gibt keinen Grund, dass du darüber sprechen solltest. Zumindest nicht dann.

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Nachher ja, aber... Also, sie kommen in mein Büro, in dieses Konferenzraum. Und sie sagen, dass sie glauben, dass es einen Mann gibt, der ihn vielleicht kennen kann. Und ich sage, okay, warum denkst du das? Sie sagen, weil wir ihn für diese Sachen verabschiedet haben. Und ich sage, okay, was hat das mit mir zu tun?

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Sie sagen, er glaubt, dass du ihm gesagt hast, dass du malicious Software in Bilder reinsteckst, Ähm, etwas namens der GDI-Plus-Exploit. Und ich bin so, okay, ich habe das definitiv nicht gemacht. Ähm, dieser Exploit ist übrigens gerade rausgekommen. Ich bin so, definitiv habe ich das nicht gemacht. Und er ist so, na gut, er kommt, du hast es gemacht.

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Und, äh, und wir sind einfach nur gespannt, ob du, ob das einen Anruf bringt. Ich bin so, na gut. No, can you give me his name and his handle? I'll go look at all my email, because you never know. I've talked to thousands of people. So I'm like, give me a day or so just to go through all my old email and see if I can find anything.

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Old chat messages or anything I can think of that might have the name in it. And sure enough, nothing. There was never anything about this guy. So I call him again. I'm like, okay, well, let's meet up again. So they come back to the office, shuffle them back to the same conference room. I'm like, okay, so I found out two interesting things.

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First of all, no, I don't know the guy, or at least not under these two names. Maybe he's got a different alias or something, but not anything you gave me. But secondly, that GDI Plus exploit, when did you say you arrested him? And they're like, we arrested him two months ago. I'm like, well, that's funny, because that exploit came out one month ago.

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So he has been doing a ton of research, trying to find his alibi. And he realized that, oh, there's this thing about exploits and images, because it was just kind of coming out 10, 15 years back. And so he leveraged that to try to convince them that that was a plausible defense that I had told them. And he didn't think anyone's going to go around. Und ich war eigentlich ziemlich steil damals.

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Und ich bin so, ja, ich bin froh, dass ich zu Gericht gehe und sage, das ist unmöglich. Also entweder er kam mit dem Exploit oder jemand, den er kennt, kam mit dem Exploit. Und ich garantiere dir, ich kann mit diesen Leuten in Kontakt kommen. Sie werden sagen, dass sie diesen Kerl nicht gehört haben. Sie werden ihn nicht zu einem randomen Kerl veröffentlichen.

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Right. I mean, anything you can think of at that point. But, I mean, it was a pretty plausible defense. Not that it would have saved him, which is the other kind of stupid thing about that defense, but at least he could have made it seem like he was not getting off on it. You know what I mean? There's a difference. You know what I mean?

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Es gibt Firmen wie Apple da draußen, wenn man iMessage benutzt, oder Entschuldigung, iCloud, all deine Bilder sind auf ihren Servern veröffentlicht und sie machen Hashe auf diese Dinge. Und so haben sie Hashe von, weißt du, Hunderten von Tausenden, Millionen von Bildern oder so, die sammelt und katalogiert, sodass sie nicht die ursprüngliche Bildung behalten müssen.

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Aber wenn sie diese Bildung über die Räder sehen, lassen sie sofort den Anwalt wissen, dass Facebook etwas sehr ähnliches macht. Sie sind tatsächlich der größte Produzent von Berichten auf der Erde. Und du würdest nicht wirklich denken, dass es Facebook ist. Warum? Aber sie haben auch Instagram und ein paar andere Projekte. Und sie machen etwas sehr ähnliches, sie schauen sich diese Hashe an.

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Also, solange du dich sehr, sehr, sehr gut schützt, bist du in diesen Tagen ziemlich wahrscheinlich getroffen. Und jetzt, als wir unseren Bust bei eHap gemacht haben, hatten wir den größten Bust in der Geschichte, den ich kenne. Der größte, den ich jemals gehört habe. Aber jetzt busten Innocent Images etwa 100 Leute pro Zeit. Und nicht 101 oder 99, genau 100 jedes Mal.

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Und ich denke, es gibt einen Grund dafür. Sie müssen sicher machen, dass wenn du nicht gebustet wurdest, du hättest 100 Watt gehabt. Du hättest die nächste auf der Liste sein können. Sie gehen einfach nur auf die Liste der einfachsten. Das bedeutet nicht, dass du nächstes Jahr nicht gebustet wirst, wenn sie in die nächste Hundertstufe gehen. Sie busten jetzt 100 Leute auf einmal.

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Und ja, ich würde es nicht. Es gab einen Zeitpunkt, an dem ich glaube, du hättest dich damit ziemlich leicht entfernen können. Und ich denke, diese Zeit ist schnell verringert.

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Ja, ich bin in den frühen Phasen des Editionsprozesses. Oh, das ist richtig. Wir haben darüber gesprochen. Das ist richtig. Ja, es wird als AIs best friend genannt. Es ist eine ziemlich verrückte Lesung, wenn man sich auf die Idee der Artifizierten Intelligenz befasst, anstatt auf die Artifizierte Intelligenz. Das Teil, wo man sehnsüchtig oder nah genug zu sehnsüchtig wird.

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Wir können die Unterschiede nicht erzählen. Darin liegen einige Dschungel, mein Freund. Es ist eine schmerzhafte Sache, wenn du über Verletzungen und etwas sprichst, das klüger ist als du.

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Und es ist im Grunde genommen, sagen wir, ich habe einen Betragsaufgabe und auf der Anzahl wird es etwa 3.000 oder 4.000 Dollar von der Regierung sein oder so etwas. Auf der Anzahl, richtig? Ja, so groß, so klein, nichts, weißt du. Let's say it's about three or four thousand dollars.

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Well, what these fraudsters do is they get enough information about an individual that they can file the taxes on behalf of the victim. And instead of that refund going to the victim, it goes to them or a proxy. Some dude in another country can go pick it up. So this turns out to be an enormous amount of money, about $4 billion a year.

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You know, these guys that are always like, oh, I wouldn't this and I wouldn't that. It's like, bro, you've got a wife and three kids. Right. You say that until you're sitting in the visitation room.

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Or your wife's begging you saying, how am I going to take care of these three kids? What are you doing? You can do five years.

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So I guess the question is, is that that happened, yet Big Frank died peacefully in Sarasota. Right. Like what happened to the tracking these guys down?

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When you first got involved with the mafia, the incarcerated boss of your family, you know, Big Joey, was cooperating. Like, what was that like? What are the conversations that are going on? Like, what is the feeling in the...

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I don't know why that reminds me of that. That's of the, the, um,

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It makes me think of the Donnie Brasco thing when they go in and they tell him that Donnie Brasco – is FBI. And they're like, no. And they show them pictures.

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Don't they go in, though, and kind of like to wash their hands of it? Don't they kind of go in and say, look, we're giving you an opportunity to cooperate. We'll get you into witness protection.

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I mean, if you watch that, I know I only have the movies to go by, right? Fucking butchers. But if you look at like Goodfellas, like fucking.

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I have a buddy who knows a ton about the cartel, and we've talked about the cartel and everything. So here's something that happens with the cartel and with the Sinaloa cartel, like Mayo Zimbada and Chapo, is that at one point, the other cartels were taking over. And Sinaloa was losing its power, right? So at one point, they were extremely powerful, and they were losing their power.

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This is back in the, I want to say in the... Late 90s, early 2000s. And Chapo, I think it was a Chapo or Mayo, they go to a lawyer that they have.

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Oh, yeah. Henry. And they give the lawyer information to give the DEA. And he starts cooperating with the DEA basically to give them information on the heads of the other cartels.

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And then he did. They did a whole show on me. Did he do like what? Rat of the Month or something?

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They start cracking their heads.

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Okay. Yeah, he's done anyway.

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You know what I'm saying? That's my excuse. Yeah. I don't want to take the time.

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Yeah. Look, I don't want to die in prison. I mean, we can spread some of this around.

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Well, keep in mind that El Mayo's like his kids cooperated.

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You said the guy never leaves the state of Sinaloa. He never leaves. They just can't seem to catch it. Like, well, obviously they got him.

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If they've been looking for this guy in Sinaloa for 40 years... They're overrated.

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I was gonna say, so when are you and Merlino sitting down? Well, that's... I've heard this before. Yeah, it was... Well, let's talk first about the Merlino thing. Absolutely. Everybody waits for that when I sit down. Before you mentioned it when you walked in, Wade had told me that he said, well, you know, there's an issue with Merlino right now and him. And I was like, well, they're in there.

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Do you... I mean, I hear you. So... What I'm wondering about is what do you think of Mayo getting grabbed by Chapo's son and brought to the United States?

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It's like out of a movie. I know. That is, it's so, it's inconceivable. When I heard that and I went, that is, it is inconceivable. Listen. That that happened. I mean, that's insane. They're gruesome.

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That's disappointing. Because here's the thing. Like he can get like I've got stuff on me just being brutal about it.

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Right. Okay. I mean, and I understand that, but I'm still saying that the guy, I'm talking about Maya.

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That is so, that's insane.

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It's ballsy.

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That's overwhelmingly ballsy. They go in, they grab him, they bring him, put him in the plane and fly him to the United States. They kidnap them.

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And then they still – like I don't know if this kid – kid, he was what? He was like in his late 20s, early 30s. Like I don't know if he was thinking he's going to – it's a get out of jail free card. I don't know what he was really thinking because it doesn't seem like he had much of an agreement. He just thought, oh, they'll let me – let my brother out of jail. And that's not happening at all.

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They're both still locked up. Yeah, 100%. You got to have some kind of an agreement. And what's so funny is if he had gotten a lawyer – He probably could have got an agreement.

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I'm not saying that. I know they're going to help him. What I'm saying is, had he gotten a lawyer and gone in and said, look, I'm going to get this guy, put him on a plane and fly him here. But I want my brother out, and I want—I think the feds would have done that.

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But he didn't have it up front.

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There's all kinds of shit going on. But they did hide money. And they did. You know what I'm saying? I mean, it's not like they believed it. They found the money. They found it. Your wife's driving a Rolls Royce. She's driving a Rolls Royce. She's wearing minks. Why are you pulling up to visit in a Rolls Royce? I know. People are just stupid.

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Abusing him. Hated him. So it was like a whole thing. Well, then I see that if the prosecutor hates you, they'll flip on you.

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Is the mob involved in like offshore gambling or is it just, oh, okay.

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Well, you'd written a book.

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And did you option the book or you had optioned the book and the life rights? What's going on?

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Well, I was going to say, and just in general and being on YouTube in general, like it's just you're supposed to deny everything. And, you know, his groupies are like, you know, oh, well, he never admits that there is the mob. He never says. I'll let you finish and I'll go. You know what I'm saying? Like you're splitting hairs here. He's on YouTube.

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So when you say working on it, is he pitching it or did he write a screenplay or like a first episode?

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You know what I mean? Is it like the initial money isn't good enough or the residual is not good enough?

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Yeah. Are we talking about one episode?

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Or is that a whole series?

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So your budget's probably not, every episode's probably not 7 million.

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But every episode, but if there's 10.

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It's insane. That's a lot.

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He wants to make it look like a real Hollywood... Modern Day Sopranos.

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So when do you, what, what is there? I already know the answer to this. Like, yeah, like, I'm like, like what's the ETA on an answer? Who knows?

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And they're talking. OK, so if they're talking about a series, because typically the way series works is like the first, you know, the first season, maybe two seasons kind of follows the structure of a book. But once they've built those characters, then they just kind of go off.

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You want the Sopranos.

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Well, what's the issue with Shiloh LaBeouf is that, I mean, I know he's had major problems, like psychological problems.

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10 years isn't a long time. And he had had problems prior to that and they put him in that. He was great in that.

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Can you imagine having just fucked yourself over so bad nobody wants to work with you? To me, he's one of the best actors ever.

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They were saying if Fury didn't take a shower for like a month and a half or six weeks or something, they had to take him aside and say, listen, bro, I get what you're doing here, but you got to go take a shower.

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You know what I mean? Well, you know, what's so funny is when you talk to these guys, people that don't know anything about how the industry works is they're always they're always like, oh, you got to have this. It's like, no, no, you don't understand. Once I sell the life rights and they've paid me, I don't really like I'm a consultant, but and I can consult and I give you my opinion.

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But they make that decision because because they're not going to invest 40 or 60 million dollars in a film that you have say so over.

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You could ruin the whole thing, you know?

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So what do you want to do? You were saying you were just in a short film. What was the short film about?

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Is there a script?

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Is it an hour or is it 15 minutes?

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So we got an hour. And so it's independent? Independent. They're going to try and get it into, what, Sundance or something?

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So anything I do, I know it sounds— We just had a 30-minute conversation about this beforehand.

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You know what I'm saying? Well, I mean, it sounds arrogant, but- It's just the truth.

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So, but I mean, so you've got, is it, they've got a production company, is it, but obviously it's, it's being self-funded and self-paid by these guys. Yeah. I mean, do you know what the basis of the film is?

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Yeah. And then what, then they try and get into Sundance and some of these other films.

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You can buy off-the-shelf stuff and make it look like you're using the $100,000 RED cameras. The average guy who's got some experience and has watched about 10 or 15 YouTube videos can make a film that rivals Hollywood films.

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You're hoping to become an actor?

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Well, there's agents right now in Hollywood that represent real gang members. Yeah. What was the guy from Heat? What's his name? Shit.

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He's in all those movies.

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Yeah. You know, he's not playing a love character or something else.

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Yeah, honestly, this is funny because I always kind of reminisce about this when things will happen here and I'll reminisce and I'll think back to myself like, six months, like anybody who watches this channel has heard me say this, like six months prior to getting out of prison, I'm laying in my bunk going, how are you going to make a living? I'm like, you're going to end up working.

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You're going to work at McDonald's. You're going to be renting somebody's, you're going to be living in a spare room.

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What are you going to do?

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Listen, I used to tell people. I told my probation officer this. You know how they come see you in the halfway house? Did you go to a halfway house? No.

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why not stay home fuck yeah so i had to stay seven months in the halfway house but i also wanted to by the way because i had no money right so i got the halfway house when my probation officer came to see me so a month or two before you get out they come and see you so she comes to see me a couple months before i get out and they have you fill out a piece of paper whatever and she kind of starts kind of going over the rules with you and she said well you know last time you were on

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supervision. She said, she is you. She is you. You stole one and a half million dollars. She is she's best not going to happen this time. Right. And I went, Like that. She goes, what does mean? I go, I said, we'll see. And she goes, what is, what do you, she said, and I said, listen, I said, I'll be honest with you. I said, I'm going to bust my ass for the next year.

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And I'm going to try and put something together. I said, but I'll be honest with you. I said, a year from now, if things aren't going my way, living in someone's spare room, I'm riding the city bus. I said, and I can't pay my bills. I go, I'm going to commit a massive, massive fraud. And I'm going to leave the United States because that's where I fucked up last time. Right. And she goes,

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Well, let's hope that doesn't happen. I said, I'm just, you know, and she said, and she also said, she goes, you know, it's funny. She said, I'm not that shocked by that. She said, as you probably think I am. I said, I'm just being honest.

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I forgot.

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But what did you get? How much time they gave you? Oh, initially?

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Without cooperation? 26 years.

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Right. You just bring more and more heat to it.

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I shot dozens of people. I got crazy home invasions, horrible crimes. Initially, you would have gotten 40.

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Yeah, no, I hear you. I don't think I was a good guy, but I do think that you and I have vastly different crimes.

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Like you commit a crime, there's a good chance that somebody's never walking the same.

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Yeah, I thought mine was excessive.

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I actually know who this is. Why? Well, I think I asked you about this guy before. You didn't know who he was. Who? His last name was Gambino. Right. And he had it changed. Because he was torturing him because of his last name? Yeah, of course he couldn't. Nobody wants to deal with him. Nobody wants to be around him. He can't get partners to go in with him. They're all terrified.

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So he changed his name. But he was, you know what's so funny about that too? So in Coleman, pretty much everybody knows I cooperated, right? He would sit down with me. That's a max you went? No, no. I was at a low. When I met Donnie. Coleman has a max. Yeah, they got two pens, a medium, and a low, and a camp. I was in the medium for three years, and then for nine years, I was in the low.

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Yeah, because the Coleman pen, you would have had a problem. I would have had a problem.

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I'm nonviolent.

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So, but Donnie, Donnie was the funniest motherfucker. And he would come in and he would explain he was doing these like penny stocks and they were like pumping. They would do like a pump and dump. And he would tell you this perfectly legal business model. Nothing wrong. I mean, he would argue with you and he'd be like, your business model is fraud. He was the funniest guy ever.

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And he knew that I had cooperated, right? Like he, everybody kind of knew, you know what I'm saying? Like he knew. And he was an older, you know, mom guy. He's like, yeah, you know, he like, he didn't give a, he didn't really give a shit. He's 70 something years old. He could give a fuck. His wife would show up there and argue with the guards. I remember his son for Christmas came.

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His son was like 10, 11 years old. And he asked him what he wanted for Christmas. And he goes, a Rolex.

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You know what I mean? Just... Anyway, he was he was super funny. But yeah, he had to change his he changes. Anyway, he got out. He died a couple of years after he got out, which is really, really sad because he was he was just it sounds horrible. I'm sure if you lost money with them, you probably don't think this. But he was just such a great guy. Yeah.

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He also ran, what else did he run? Oh, this is before. This is prior to. Well, this is kind of when the internet was just taking off. He had rooms. I'm pretty sure he had like a rooms full of gorgeous chicks doing the whole chat thing. Kind of like what eventually turned into OnlyFans. Yeah, okay. Before that. Yeah. you know, where it was a webcam girl. So he was doing that.

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He was, listen, same thing. He's buying expired medication and shipping it to Dominican Republic. And that doesn't mean it's dangerous. You know, it's expired. They have a certain shelf life. It's not gonna kill you or anything. It's still good.

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He was still filthy rich. You know, 22 years.

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Oh, yeah. Look, his wife, if you look at his wife, his wife doesn't have a job. Like, she's not going. What? I think he probably did. I think he got out on, maybe he got out on the first step back. He did at least 15, 20 years.

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Yeah. Well, you know, look, so... Used to be if you got 20 years, right, like you're doing 85%. Absolutely. You know, these guys are doing getting 20-year sentences. They're getting out in like 14 years, 13, 14 years.

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All right.

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Did they just sentence them? Did they cooperate?

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Like you're 75 years old. You're not.

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Okay, yeah, they'll make some kind of deal. Same thing with Elizabeth Holmes. Like they were basically gonna get it overturned.

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Did you see what they said about his co-defendant, the chick that cooperated against him? Which one? The girl. The girl that cooperated. His girlfriend or whatever she was.

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Yeah, she got. And what the judge said in my... It's just, this is a quote, kills me. He's like, in my 20 years, I've never seen this amount of cooperation in my life. And I just thought, oh my God.

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Yeah. And then he gave her like three years paper or something. I don't think she got any time at all. It's probably Judge Kaplan.

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Oh, yeah, yeah. It's probably the same judge, right?

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Well, you understand what they want you to do. They want you to get out and work at Walmart. They want you to be a greeter at Walmart. They want you to be a cashier. They want you to work in the back room.

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They never want you to be able to – they hate it when you – and this is – it's sad that I'm saying this. And I would have never – having not been in the system, I would never have believed this just based on the rhetoric that the government puts out there. But the truth is, after watching this for 20-some-odd years, the government, once you've been incarcerated, they want you to get out.

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They want you to eke out a living your whole life. They do not want you to rebound. They want you to scrimp and –

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Where's A-Light? Like, what's he doing now? Because I don't think I see him anymore.

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Yeah, if you do it, if you do it, if you start it, you have to be absolutely consistent. Like, oh, I'm not going to do one this week. No, no, no.

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I was going to say, so you and Merlino sitting down. I've heard this before.

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We have the same personality. Well, yeah, but the problem is you're you're you are more charismatic than he is. And that would really not work to his advantage because he's just going to be like, no, you folk. He's just going to.

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What is his show doing now? Is he doing podcasts? Is he putting stuff on the show?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Edit the living shit out of it.

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Well, and the problem is, is that where you can go to put it on there is Rumble. But Rumble, you make no money on Rumble. You make some money, but you don't make YouTube money on Rumble.

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You know what I mean? Well, I mean, I think they're making so much money now. You could only spend so much money. Hey, you guys, I appreciate you watching the video. Do me a favor. If you liked it, hit the subscribe button, hit the bell so you get notified of videos like this. Also, please leave a comment in the comment section and share the video.

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When you went on Vlad, was Vlad there or was it the FaceTime?

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Motherfucker.

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I show up thinking it's going to be Vlad.

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I think it's going to be Vlad. I sit down.

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Yeah, I was going to say, everybody I know, well, I've only known a couple of people that have told me, like, anybody who's kind of invested in him, he just walks away from it. Like, give him $100,000 to do this and this, and then he does a half-assed job, and then he walks away. And when they're like, hey, what's going on? You're supposed to do this. He just tells them to go f*** off.

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No, I don't think that.

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There was a guy that contacted me that said he had a video where it says that Merlino, you know, basically he was trying to tell me, like, it says that he was cooperating.

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And then I know. Well, I know because when I saw the video.

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No. Then he actually – he sent me the video and I watched it. It was like, okay, that's not – like I don't see that that's what he's saying at all. He took something out of context and he was trying to say that's what he's saying. I was like, yeah, if this is the best you like, I'm sorry. I'm not interested.

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What was, was there a catalyst this time? Because at one point there was an issue and then it started dying down and then it, what, it shook back up?

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You can't be slapping people, regardless of being on or off paper.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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For what?

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Yeah. And it didn't go well for him?

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Yeah, well, I think... In general, I think, at least in Tampa, you know, it's like if somebody mouths off to you and you smack them. In Tampa, honestly, typically, it's okay.

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No, they call the police. Well, they might call the police. They might call the police, but when the cops get there, they might arrest you, but they're probably going to drop it because they're like, you're mouth off.

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Well, if it was a normal person, you know.

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How prevalent is drug trafficking in the New York, in New York mafia? Huge. Huge. Okay. Because, you know, you watch the movies, like you watch, you know, Godfather and stuff, you know, like, and even, even since then, honestly, where they're always talking about how like, oh, we don't deal in drugs. We don't, you know, but it's.

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Does the mob in New York or just in general that you know of, do they do business with the cartel? No. No?

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Did your crew, the Bonanno gang, gangsters dealing drugs. You already kind of answered that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Did you ever, did you or any of these guys ever target drug dealers, like rip them off?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, I was going to say I was locked up with a guy who put a tracking device on a guy's car.

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And literally followed the guy for... I mean, just tracked him for weeks and looked at just, he kept going to like the same five houses over and over and over again.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Eventually he figured out.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You what?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right now, I'm writing a book. Yeah. I'm writing a book with another guy about the... It's about the Chinese triads. Okay. And I actually just read a book called Ghost Shadow Crew.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Ghost Shadows. I was locked up with the Ghost Shadow guys.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So does...

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They dealt with them. And they're vicious fucks. All right. Well, this guy just got out. One of the main guys just got out of prison. He did like 25, 30 years or something and just got out of prison.

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They didn't go in too much about him killing. Of course, he just got out of prison, so he probably doesn't want to go back. Big Frank was cooperating when you first became involved with the mafia. Yeah.

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Was that like a big deal at the time?

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It was kind of just moving across the sky, gliding across silently.

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It does seem that way, doesn't it?

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So you're so it's not it's. OK, so that's that's one example.

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I'm sorry. That's OK. And you think that it's because Epstein had had Blackman material and people like that, that he was told to stay down. Somebody somebody who knows somebody asked a favor. dass die Prosecutor zu stand down, they stand down. The prosecutor was ordered, the US attorney was ordered to stand down. Well, you know, okay, yeah, ordered, right.

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He was told, hey, stand down, don't push this. But eventually, eventually Epstein does end up with the 18 months, which is a slap on the wrist. You know, he has to basically sleep Du wirst müde, kommst ins Gefängnis, schläfst ein paar Stunden, gehst wieder nach Hause. Wenn du nachts heiß schläfst, weißt du, wie disruptiv das sein kann.

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Okay, well then, so at one point though, Epstein does get indicted.

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What do you think, so what happened with his untimely demise? How do you call it? Would you say he was suicided?

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Well, I mean, I think that people are probably focusing on the fact that he, you know, that he potentially was, you know, I don't know what you say, what killed or assassinated, whatever you want to call it, murdered.

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No one wanted to touch it. Can I have a quick question? When you say you came across his book, how does that happen? Someone gave it to me. Okay.

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So I think that people are focusing on that because, you know, once again, that shows that somebody in the government, because it would have taken someone with an extreme amount of power to pull that off. So, you know, so I think they focus on that because maybe they're thinking that's like a, I don't know, you know, is there a smoking gun somewhere?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So you feel like this ties into the Diddy case.

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So real quick, where is the black book still up that you put up?

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Yeah, I was going to say it's when you're when you're addicted, when it's an addiction, you you toss a caution to the wind. Right. Like, you know, how many how many super powerful or rich people are alcoholics or doing some kind of drugs or, you know, they have, you know, they have issues. So you tend to. Leon Black, who is a billionaire, inexplicably paid Jeffrey Epstein 150 million dollars.

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Well, for a billion dollars, you can buy a lot of company. You don't have to sign it over to anybody.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, are they to, to be able to apply and be granted, you know, some kind of relief from the fund? Like, are they having to prove anything or they're just, okay. So they have to prove that, Hey, I've been to the house. I was contacted by them. Something, there has to be some kind of proof. You can just say it.

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Because it's ultimately going to affect their healing. I'm back to the list, of course. I'm back to the list, which you're saying doesn't exist. But that's fine. That actually would make a lot of sense. That's why it's never being released. That's why... I don't know whether... It seems like there would be some kind of a something. I mean...

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Ones that are... I'm wondering about the list. I'm wondering, is this a list that, you know, the list that's always being referenced, this may be a list of simply that the government has come up with. You know, hey, this is the list of the people that we think were, you know, were involved in this. Maybe it's not, you know, because they have to have had some kind of list.

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So it doesn't necessarily mean, the more I think about it, it doesn't necessarily mean there's a list that Das ist ein völlig plausibel Szenario, aber wenn Menschen über die Liste sprechen, sprechen sie über...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Okay, und du sagst, dass du nicht denkst, dass das überhaupt existiert. Ja, und das, was wir näher kommen, ist Black Witch.

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It's the same thing with the Diddy. The government, they confiscated or whatever, collected in their raids all of this equipment Und sie haben eine Menge Tape bekommen. Sie haben nie verurteilt, dass sie wirklich haben, dass es etwas auf diesen Tape gibt. Sie wissen, es läuft, dass es Kinder gibt, dass es Kinder gibt. Es läuft, dass es all diese Dinge gibt.

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Aber die Regierung hat nie vorgekommen und gesagt, hey, wir haben Video von diesen Events.

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Well, I think so that I understand. It's funny because that's a little slightly difficult concept to understand where most people would be like, well, that doesn't make sense. He's going to indict him when and then covered up. Just why not not indict him? Because the truth is, he's about to be indicted by somebody like somebody is going to indict him.

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If he's going to be indicted, I want to be able to be the person indicting him so that I can run kind of interference for whoever ist in dieser ganzen Sache involviert, damit wir die Schadenskontrolle für diese Leute machen können.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. I didn't know the right people. You gotta know the right people.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I have a question. Was this prior to him getting that sweetheart deal he got down in Florida? Was this prior to that or was it after that?

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I want to kind of touch on, you've got a book that recently came out about Watergate. It's funny because, oh gosh, I had a guy on here a few months ago and I mentioned Watergate. And I kind of gave him the quick rundown of what had happened. And he looked across the table from me and he goes, that's not right at all.

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So I had I had the kind of the version that I had, you know, and listen, I wasn't that far off. But I was further off than I certainly thought I was. You know, I really felt like Nix. I thought Nixon was kind of in the know the entire time and kind of dictating.

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I also thought that when the burglars went into the Watergate Hotel, that it was the first time they were going in to actually bug for the first time, when in fact I found out as we talked that no, the burglars were removing the wires. And I was like, okay, I didn't know that at all. I had it completely off. I actually still have it wrong. Really?

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Isn't that against their charter?

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Well, did you do a show with Danny Jones about Watergate, about your book?

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Okay. Listen, either way, it's a great movie.

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Well, you mean, I'm sorry, I want to clarify. You mean that they're corrupted, not that the actual jurors are corrupt.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You're getting too tied down with the details there. You have to You have to shape things a little bit. You only have two hours of screen time at most.

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Ja, es ist lustig, es ist wie, du weißt, die Erfahrung, die ich mit dem habe, ist wie der Film War Dogs, wo es ist wie, du weißt, die echte Geschichte ist so viel interessanter als diese Fiktion, die sie auf dem Bildschirm stellen. And I think a lot of you know, I actually wrote a book about a guy named Marcus Schrenker, who is a pathological liar.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And and it used to just kill me like why some of the lies he would tell like he was. This is a guy that had a beautiful wife. Well, let's start with he owned a wealth management company that made made good money. Lots of clients, his clients loved him. He was a professional pilot. He was a professional stunt pilot. He had a beautiful wife and three beautiful children. There is no reason to lie.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You're a top tier individual. And yet it wasn't enough. He was constantly talking about when he flew missions and, you know, In, um, you know, Iraqi, uh, freedom, or he was talking about, he was in the first wave of the Afghani, you know, the, the, when we invaded Afghanistan, it's like, you were never even in the military. Like, you know what I'm saying?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It was like, it's, it was like, you know, you don't like, why lie about that? You're already an amazing individual, but you know, these guys, I don't, I don't, I don't know what possesses them.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, catch me if you can. The movie Catch Me If You Can, Frank Abagnale. There are podcasts, there are books that are written about how his story is not completely fabricated, but the bulk of it is fabricated.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And even when you watch the movie, I remember as a kid watching the movie, when he goes into the bathroom to get away from the FBI and he goes through the toilet and then goes out, gets out of the aircraft in the wheel well. I remember thinking like, Das muss geschlossen werden. Wie? Es gibt keine. Wie hat er Tools mit ihm? Hatte du eine Blutflasche? Wie kamst du in das Rollstuhl?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Es muss sein, dass das gesamte Flugzeug anstrengend ist. Wie ist das möglich? Und natürlich, weißt du, als das Buch herauskam, fandst du heraus, dass das nicht möglich ist. Es gibt keinen Weg, dass er von der Fusel Lodge in die, in die, in die, die, die, die, die Rollstuhl, wo die, die, where the wheels come down. It's just not possible to do that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And there's so many other things that are just complete fabrication. I don't just mean the movie, because the book is almost identical to the movie.

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Hey you guys, I appreciate you watching. Do me a favor, if you like the podcast, please send it to anybody that you think would be interested. Share it. Das war's für heute. Wir sehen uns beim nächsten Mal. Tschüss. Vielen Dank fürs Zuschauen. Bis zum nächsten Mal.

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So, they, you know, so when the... The state attorney was referring to the victims as prostitutes. But he wasn't paying them to come there and have sex. Wasn't he like luring them there for massages and things like that? He was luring them to an area where he could kind of take advantage of them, right? I'm wondering why she would have referred to anybody as a prostitute.

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That's the part I'm wondering about. Do you think that that's true?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Do you ever read the book Economic Hitman? Yes. Confessions of an Economic Hitman. I was going to say, that whole book is about blackmailing, getting entire countries into a position where you can blackmail them. Obviously with financial incentives, but it's still the same premise. And they go through extraordinary lengths to get these countries into extreme debt so they can then

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sie zu wählen oder sie zu manipulieren.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Listen, if I was a cop, you know how much fun I would have with guys that are like, you know, what they're saying, you know, like, no, no, I, but I can't, you can't arrest me. Stop. Stop it, bro. We got you on video. Your code of finance rolled on you.

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Hold on.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You just got a job at McDonald's.

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Yeah, but you haven't spent any money in jail for the past two years.

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I'll go $300,000. I'll go $280,000. I'll go $260,000. Shut up, Jennifer. They've got their comb in their hair.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And they turn themselves in.

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It's $20. And it's less money.

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Really? Yeah. Are you serious? I'm serious.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What's going on? What have you been up to? You know what I've been up to! That's why we're here!

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It's actually not bad. Why do you think it's bad? Are you serious? Play that thing. I don't think it's bad at all. Not at all. It's as good as any of the rap music I've heard.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, he's got a, look, he's, look. So he's got, oh no.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yes.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, I love the Black Zack.

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Using forgeries and bogus identities, Matthew B. Cox, one of the most ingenious con men in history, built America's biggest banks out of millions. Despite numerous encounters with bank security, state and federal authorities, Cox narrowly, and quite luckily, avoided capture for years. Eventually, he topped the U.S. Secret Service's Most Wanted list and led the U.S.

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Marshals, FBI, and Secret Service on a three-year chase, while jet-setting around the world with his attractive female accomplices. Cox has been declared one of the most prolific mortgage fraud con artists of all time by CNBC's American Greed. Bloomberg Businessweek called him the mortgage industry's worst nightmare, while Dateline NBC described Cox as a gifted forger and silver-tongued liar.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Playboy magazine proclaimed his scam was real estate fraud, and he was the best. Shark in the Housing Pool is Cox's exhilarating first-person account of his stranger-than-fiction story. Available now on Amazon and Audible.

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Pierre Rossini, in the 1990s, was a 20-something-year-old Los Angeles-based drug trafficker of ecstasy and ice. He and his associates drove luxury European supercars, lived in Beverly Hills penthouses, and dated Playboy models while dodging federal indictments. Then, two FBI officers with the Organized Crime Drug Enforcement Task Force entered the picture.

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Dirty agents willing to fix cases and identify informants. Suddenly, two of Rossini's associates, confidential informants working with federal law enforcement, were murdered. Everyone pointed to Rossini. As his co-defendants prepared for trial, U.S. Attorney Robert Mueller sat down to debrief Rossini at Leavenworth Penitentiary.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And another story emerged, a tale of FBI corruption and complicity in murder. You see, Pierre Racine knew something that no one else knew. truth. And Robert Mueller and the federal government have been covering it up to this very day. Devil Exposed, a twisted tale of drug trafficking, corruption, and murder in the City of Angels. Available on Amazon and Audible.

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Matthew B. Cox is a conman incarcerated in the Federal Bureau of Prisons for a variety of bank fraud-related scams. Despite not having a drug problem, Cox inexplicably ends up in the prison's residential drug abuse program, known as RDAP. A drug program in name only.

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RDAP is an invasive behavior modification therapy specifically designed to correct the cognitive thinking errors associated with criminal behavior. The program is a non-fiction dark comedy which chronicles Cox's side-splitting journey. This first-person account is a fascinating glimpse at the survival-like atmosphere inside of the government-sponsored rehabilitation unit.

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While navigating the treachery of his backstabbing peers, Cox simultaneously manipulates prison policies and the bumbling staff every step of the way. The Program. How a conman survived the Federal Bureau of Prisons cult of RDAP. Available now on Amazon and Audible.

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So what, I mean, what, so what happened then? Like you, you know, you're, I'm assuming you go, assuming that your parent, your parents find out about it, your grandparents or your mom finds out they, what do they do? They tell you, look, you can't just, you got to go get a job. Like you got to do something. You can't just get kicked out of school and hang out in your spare room.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. When did you kind of, did you, it's funny because, um, You know, I want to ask, when did you start to notice that this was abnormal? But the truth is, I mean, I know it's like, you know, being a, it's like a fish that's in a pond. Like it doesn't really realize it's in a pond. It's all it's ever known.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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with a nice little pension, but I'm assuming that's not what happened.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So what happened? So what happened? What'd you end up doing?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It doesn't realize it's surrounded by water, you know, so you don't really notice it until you get out of that. And then you're like, oh, wow, that wasn't normal.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So what happened when you say you freaked out? What does that entail?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know what I mean? So your mother passed away. You had the issues with your dad. I mean, at what point, what happened after that?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'm sorry. When you say your dad talked to him, so he went down there and said, look, you can't testify. Whatever. He had a serious talk.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, things are working.

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I interviewed a guy who was a jewel thief who had broken into – You know, he, he broke into, I forget what it was. Basically it was like a jewel. It was like a jewelry store, like in a high rise building. He broke in and he got into the safe and he said, and so he got the jewelry jewels and, and he's like, you know, which was like a million dollars. He was like a million dollars in jewels.

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And he was a kid. He was a young kid, probably in his, uh, probably early twenties. And he was leaving and he said there was a bunch of bags, but they looked like mail bags, you know, the thick.

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he's like, like a bunch of them just piled up in the corner. And he said, I mean, they were so bad. I think he even said like they had to move them at some point, even like they're sitting on them, they're moving them. And he said, I'm thinking it's just some kind of mail or something gets the money leaves.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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The feds were watching the building the whole time because what was happening was that these guys were laundering money for the mob and

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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and he breaks into the place the money's there he doesn't know he never so when he gets out there's a there's a huge article like the next day a couple days later his father brings him aside and is like what is wrong with you you didn't look in the bags he's like i was there to get in the safe i'm not searching the place i'm here for the safe he's like you could have looked in the bags like what do you yeah it was millions like they caught like five million dollars he's like i just didn't

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Yeah, I was gonna say, I have another buddy that walked, he said he was a kid, he's probably 19, 20. He walked through an apartment complex and he saw somebody's sliding glass door was open.

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And so he goes around, knocks on the door, nobody's home, opens the sliding glass door, goes inside, actually finds the guy's credit cards, takes the credit cards, goes to the mall, used the credit cards, bought a bunch of stuff, and then started thinking like, no, I don't want to get in trouble. You know, he's kind of, you know, he's young kid. He was like, Oh, you know what?

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He said, I got scared. So he said, I went, he goes back, brings the stuff he bought and, and put it in the guys, you know, on his bed, put the credit cards back and left. He said, a couple hours later, the cops show up. And it was like, what happened? He, same thing. When he was pulling stuff out of his pocket, he put his wallet on the thing and, I'm like, Oh, just, and left it there.

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We were like, wow. What are you like? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life. And it happens.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. You know, my fear is whenever I talk to guys, they're always like, bro, would you ever commit fraud again? I'm like, you know, I'm like, no, no. Well, I mean, I guess the circumstance is right. You'll do anything. But I'm like, no, but not because of why you think. It's not because I think I'm going to screw up.

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As much as it's that all the times I've been caught, it's kind of that fly in the ointment. It was something that... I couldn't account for the guy that plans the perfect bank robbery and walks out the door.

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And it just by complete coincidence, some patrolman who's supposed to be across town happens to swing by to see his wife at the place right next to the bank because they had an argument this morning. Like, how do you account for that? You knew that patrol car was supposed to be on the other side of town.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Who was... I forget which guy it was. It was like a former mobster. And he was like, he said... he he said it's not because you know they've these guys like they got a hit on him he cooperated whatever and they're like are you ever worried he's like i'm not really worried about the older guys the guys that probably would have done anything he said i'm worried about some young kid

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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that's just young and stupid and is trying to make a name for himself and sees me and decides to take a couple pop shots at me and actually hits me and kills me by accident. He's like, it's not the 65-year-old guy because that guy at this point, he's 65 years old. It's like, look, man, I just want to live my life. I don't care what you fucking did, okay?

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Do what you did and let me just, let me drink coffee and smoke cigarettes and just, and watch TV and live out my life. I'm done.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, he's not worried about that guy. It's the young kid.

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They call that a public shoot. There's a term for it where they give you. it's called public something where they speak, because I know guys that are like, like they let them sell drugs. They let them buy and sell drugs. It's called, they've got a name for it. It's called public something where they're allowing you to act in that manner.

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You know, just to just to maintain your cover because you're in danger if you don't. Same reason that if a cop is in a group of people, they'll you know, and hey, everybody's doing whatever drugs or whatever. If you have to, if you're in that position, you have to like you can't say, no, no, I can't. I will. I could. It's not good. I'm going to have to do this.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So let's jump back to like, when do you start to get into criminal behavior, you know, that gets you eventually, you know, grabbed?

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Well, let's talk about that. What happened with that?

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What are the cops across the street in a car? The feds.

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so after the three years you've you basically you built some contacts like what do you get into when you get out like who and who are these contacts what are the contacts are they are these contacts yeah that's a good point too that you brought up because you you know everybody thinks when you go to prison you're going to be reformed

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Yeah. I was going to say, how does that happen? Like when does that happen?

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Well, I mean, another reason to believe that is that they exhumed the body. They didn't exhume the body. You didn't get permission to exhume the body if there was no evidence to support it. You can't just go into a judge and say, hey, I want to pull this. I want to I want to exhume this guy's body and do an autopsy. You can't say that.

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You got to go to the judge, say this is why we believe that this is what happened. And you can't just say it. It's like this is the proof. Here's the you know, here's the transcript. Here's the video. Here's the. You know what I mean? Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Um, how long did your father, uh, get, uh,

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So, okay. But when you get out of – you get out, do you actually get a handler? Like do you go to the FBI and say this is what I'm going to do kind of to cover yourself? Or you just start working with them and think – and then they come later? To go to that person and say, this is what I'm going to do. Kind of gives you a little bit of coverage. You know what I'm saying?

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Like, I'm going to go, I'm going to do some stuff. I'm going to work with you, but I'll keep in touch with you. If I find anything out, I'll, I'll call you.

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Yeah, I understand that, but then you got out. I'm saying are you still in contact with the FBI or did you put that behind you, get out, and just start committing crimes and boosting cars or doing – or robbing people or do whatever and forget about the FBI? Yeah.

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Yeah, that's super telling that he would say, I don't trust everybody that I'm working with. That's super telling on the Bureau in general.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So this was, was this federal?

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Well, let's go back to when you got out of prison. You got out of prison. You're working with him. You're still doing stuff. You're not telling him everything, but you're telling him periodically you're giving him stuff. What happened there? How did that progress? What kind of cases are we

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Well, I was going to say, was he a part of a specific group or family or was he just kind of

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Are you on... Are you getting money for this? Is this like... No.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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These guys are really getting paid.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So, all right, so you went 18 years and never got arrested again?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So what are you doing for a living? I mean, are you loan sharking?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So what happened when you're, uh, when, Your handler goes to retire. I mean, he goes to retire. You're saying they handed you off to somebody else?

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What do you mean a murder-for-hire hit? Like how did that – They offered you money to kill somebody and they had you on tape or what?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Um, so you moved in with your, your grandparents.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yep. Um, so, I mean, was there a point when you started getting in trouble in high school or did you stick with.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And you're basically saying, look, I had public authority to which means I'm allowed to behave in a criminal manner as long as once I've developed a case, I bring it to the authorities and I'm allowed to conduct crime along the way to further that investigation. But, you know, at no point was this guy ever going to be murdered. That's pretty much what I said, right? Like I can talk about it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'm setting P I can, I'm in the midst of setting people up like that. That's not, you can't stop halfway through. If I'm setting up a fake drug deal and I say, yeah, yeah, I'll buy, I'll buy 10 keys from you. You can't arrest me, you know, because I'm waiting for that guy to say yes, for us to arrange a meeting where I know the drugs are going to be. Then I go to my handler. I say, look, I got it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Here's where, what time it's going to be. Here's what's happening.

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No, I was going to say it's funny when I was incarcerated and there was a I cooperated against the guy that had run a Ponzi scheme and he'd stolen fifty seven million dollars of like pension fund from pension funds and churches. And what he was doing is supposedly he's supposed to be investing the money and really he's just spending it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So it was, it was a 200 and I'm sorry, it was $102 million Ponzi scheme, but that's, you know how the government bullshit it's, but it's bullshit. I mean, what was really lost was 57 million. You know, they, they, they say like all the money that, and then what the profit, but the profits is bullshit. That wasn't real money.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. Well they do.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. It's like ghost dope. It's, you know what I'm saying? Um, So, uh, but it was 57 million and he had hidden Ponzi scheme money. And I've got the, I got the, uh, this was a secret service. They're emailing me on the core link system. I don't know if you, you have core links, right? In, in federal prison. Did you have email?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So that's called, that's core links. That's what they call it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. So they're, they're, I'm emailing with the secret. I'm in prison. And they're like, hey, find out if this person was involved. And I'm like, well, I've heard about this person before, so I can bring that up in conversation. And so maybe in the next couple of days, we're walking the track. I mentioned whatever this guy was doing, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, oh yeah, yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That, that, that chick was helping. Then the other guy was, he was the financial guy, right? Like what happened with that guy? And then, and then the guy would start, you know, you spark up a conversation and you hope he says something. Then they come back and I'm like, okay, he said this and this and that. Okay. Then they come back and they say, hey, find out this.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And I'm like, okay, I don't know who that is. They're like, well, just bring it up in a conversation. I'm like, how the fuck am I going to bring it up in a conversation? I don't know who that is. Tell me something else about it so I can know how he's involved. Oh, we can't do that. I'm like, then I can't help you. They're like, well, just bring it up.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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How am I going to bring up Tom Phillips if I don't know who he is? I don't know if he's a financial advisor, if I don't know how he fits in this. Like, You guys are fucking idiots. You're trying to get me stabbed. I'm in prison cooperating, trying to get information out of a guy who's hidden Ponzi scheme money so you guys can look good. And you're trying to get me killed.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And I'm telling him like, bro, you better tell me something else because there's no way I'm going to – what am I just going to say? Hey, whatever happened with Tom Phillips or whatever the guy's name is, he's going to go, the fuck did you ever hear that name? You see what I'm saying? Like, I can't do that. Like, tell me something. You know, and that happened over and over again.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And then they're like, well, just bring it up. Listen, listen, bro. I don't know who's teaching your, how to run an informant, you know, little unit of, or, you know, thing that you got going on here, but you're, I'm surprised you're not losing more informants. You're asking – you have to use your fucking head.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You have to give me enough that I can spark a conversation that's going to feel organic or this guy is going to get wise. Just like you were saying, sometimes they just don't give a fuck.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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you know the other thing you know the other thing was funny like they they were constantly offering me money do you want to put money on your books do you want me and I I was always like no because I had met a guy who'd cooperated and he cooperated and when he got in front of the judge and he they were arguing for more of a reduction the government came forward and said your honor

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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We don't have to give him anything at all. We've been paying him for the information. Oh, wow. Anything he should be thanking us for giving him it because we paid cash for this information by putting money on this guy's books or whatever. I think it wasn't he wasn't in prison. They were giving him money.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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um this is when he's on the street but they're like we were paying him thousands of dollars every single uh month so for so technically we don't feel we need to give him anything and i always thought when they were like hey we could want to put some money on your books and i was like no and they were like hey it's okay or when they would come see me they look well let me bring you lunch don't bring me any well yeah i'll bring you like i do not bring me

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Don't bring me a soda. I say, because here's what's going to happen. And they were like, oh, I would never do that. I said, wait a minute. First of all, you can't promise me anything. You're just an agent. The only person that can promise me anything is a U.S. attorney. And they'll do that. They'll say, oh, I promise you're going to get this much. Shut up. You can't promise me.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Now you're just a liar.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They expect you to not know that. I only knew it because I'd been in prison and I was being told by people who knew what was going on.

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You know what I mean? So I forget the guy's name, but I was locked up with a couple of guys that he had busted.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And I mean, Johnny Brasco would come on TV and the guys, when I was in the medium, the guys would be like, hey. And I forget, one of the guys is like Tony or Anthony. They all got those names.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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real jewish name right look yeah johnny brass goes on the thing and these guys that motherfucking piece and they go nuts and i'm like why do you keep telling these guys this is fucking crazy bro they hate him the one thing they always said was they were like so like if you read the books and stuff that you talk to those guys they're like listen They make him seem like he wasn't doing it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They were like, the reason he got in so ingrained with them is because he was doing so much crime and committing such blatant criminal acts that was so above the pale. of what they're allowed to do, that they believed him. They couldn't even convince him. When they walk in and showed him photos and everything, they were like, no, no. Why?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Because I know this guy's done insane fucking criminal acts.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You never would have approved. He couldn't be FBI.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yep. was there a point, I mean, at what point, you know, by when do you start getting in trouble? I mean, like, like, I don't know, you know, selling drugs, you know, rock, like whatever, whatever the, you're breaking the law, like crime wise.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'm done. so you, you got out. Yes. And you start, you started a podcast. How long ago did you start the podcast?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Uh, Godfather. You got the Godfather logo. Oh, right. The words or the, the banner across it looks kind of Godfather, right? Is it Godfather? It's,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, of course. Have you ever? Well, it just it just kills me. These guys that idolize.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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gangsters and it's to me it's like okay these are guys that are shaking down you know mom and pop stores because you're not shaking down starbucks no right you know you're never getting into the meeting you're never getting into the boardroom or to the meeting to try and say you guys got to pass this or we're gonna throw bricks through your windows and burn your places down it just never happens like there's the uh i think it's a sammy the bull was talking about how they were trying to get to trump you're never getting in the elevator to get up to see trump like you're not shaking trump down i've got too many hotels i got too many staff you're never getting here

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You're never going to get paid. Even if you throw a couple of bricks through some windows, they're just going to keep fixing the windows.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And eventually you're going to get tired of throwing bricks. You're going to realize these people don't even know why these bricks are being thrown through the window. So who you're really shaking down is the mom and pop stores.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You're lending money to guys that have gambling problems. And then these guys, they idolize them because they're driving nice cars. Same reason kids idolize drug dealers. They've got the nice cars. Everybody respects them. But in the end, you're selling drugs to people that have drug problems, like you're taking advantage of. I mean, not that I'm saying I'm in it better.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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There's no reason to idolize anybody who's really committing crime.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yes, exactly. So the entire organization was targeted. I mean, everybody's like, oh, well, the mob's basically, it's over. It's kind of a boutique organization at this point. It's so small that they don't have these massive rackets anymore. They're giving away so much time. The feds, you can't go to trial on the feds. It's virtually impossible to beat them.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But people aren't going to go to trial. They're terrified.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Have you interviewed Gene Borrello?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He just got arrested.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, he called me yesterday. He and his manager called me. they were going to go on the show, but he can't, he can't leave Miami. Like I want, he was like, come up here. And then we were going to do a remote. And we just never, you know, first of all, he's trying to get, you know, he got out.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He's like, you know, it, by the time he got out, it was like, like one or two o'clock and they're trying to scramble to get to a situation, to get into a place where we could do a remote podcast like this.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He's got to get wifi hooked up. Like he's, he's scrambling. He, he didn't put it, they didn't put it together. So, I don't know if he did. There's another guy that does.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He's just, you know, even when he called me, he was like, hey man, what's going on? I gotta, and I go, what are you doing? What are you doing? He's like, no, listen, you don't understand. This one isn't my fault. Okay. You know, I'm thinking, listen, my, my wife works. My wife, it's funny. You'll think this is funny.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I met my wife when I was in the halfway house, like five, five, about six years ago. She did five years for a drug conspiracy.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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In the halfway house, we start dating. Oh, shit. Ended up getting married, but now she, yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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that's great man i love it you're so funny we were talking the other day and you know she's always you know uh not always she's she was griping at me about you know i constantly get the um uh do you love me i'm like oh my god yes i love you i'm laughing and she's like and she's like do you love me like you did in the halfway house and i go that's a country song

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I told her we have to – I said we got to have ChatGPT write us a fucking song for that. Yes.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So now she works for – she's a marine mechanic. Oh, shit. She got her – went back to school, got her certificate and everything to become a marine mechanic, and she's certified and all these things. Worked for a marina for a while, and then she went to work for a company that manages yachts. So she just got her –

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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i just we just sent her to school and she just got her captain's license now she's working on her hours you have to get like so many hours before they realize that's right but the point is that she's she's she's at the dock working on a yacht and just so happens gene walks by get out of here look i'm standing there on the dock and i turn around she's like i'm like and he doesn't see her

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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be on the phone like i don't know what i'm gonna do about this chick i don't know well i love her bro what am i supposed to do she's driving me nuts and he goes and she goes she calls me and she goes he's clearly has a problem with this i'm like looking at him like hey what's up and he just he's he had blinders on and she's yelling about some chick and he's like what am i gonna do bro i love her what am i supposed to do i mean

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Hilarious. But yeah, he's, it's like, to me, you're, you're dating these women and you're getting into these arguments and you're getting into these fights and he doesn't have a problem fighting. Like I could be, I can be loud and kind of obnoxious and say some stupid shit, but I'm not going to get into a fist fight. I'm a grown man.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I know it's not going to work out for, even if I win the fight, it doesn't matter. You win the fight, you go to prison. And Florida doesn't think it's cute. Florida will send you, you get a fist fight, you break somebody's nose, you're going to prison. And with my record and his record, no, you can't do it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So, but yeah, he gets into these arguments with these girls, screaming matches, doesn't back down, gets into a mouse off to people in clubs, gets into a fight because he won't back down his ego. I mentioned this the other day, I've mentioned this on a bunch of podcasts is, you know,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I learned along, look, I learned in prison, but when I got to prison, I gave myself some, there was many, many stern talks I gave myself and every bad decision I have ever made in my life was based on my ego. And I was just like, you got to drop that shit. Get rid of it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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When I first got in trouble, instead of claiming bankruptcy and moving in my parents' old spare room and starting over and selling used cars, what I did was, fuck it. I'm not going to take a step backwards. I'm going to start committing fraud, and I'm going to do this, and I'm going to make this much money. What are you doing? You're digging your hole deeper.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I got three years probation the first time. It was a slap on the wrist. I should have started over. My ego wouldn't let me.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. No, listen, I, I like Gene. Every time I've talked to him, he comes over, you know, I've done a bunch of episodes with them. I will text each other. He's, he's not a bad guy, you know, but I've also never pissed him off.

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You know what it reminds me of? Who's another legitimate tough guy, but a guy that is willing to swallow his pride, even though most people will think that's not true. But he tells a story. You know who Andrew Tate is?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Okay, well, Mo will show it. If you see him, as soon as you see him, you'll be like, oh, I know right away. Yeah. So he's a guy who – he does. He mouths off about stuff all the time. He's always yelling. He's always getting in trouble. But he tells a story one time. And listen, this is a guy – he was a legitimate kickboxer, tough guy, high-ranking, a serious guy.

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And he tells a story one time about being in London where he's dating this girl. And he's like, I'm dating this chick. He's like, we're standing in line waiting to get fish and chips at two o'clock in the morning. He said, like, like a Rolls Royce or Bentley or something pulls up is these two black guys that are massive. Get out. Cut right in front of the line. He doesn't keep money.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He said, I've been standing in line for fucking 10 minutes. I got another five minutes of standing in line.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Because they walk right in front of everybody. almost push the guy at the counter, you know, out of the way. And they say, I want this and this and this. Nobody says anything. They get their order. And as they're waiting to get their order, she looks at Andrew Tate, who's a tough guy. He's a gene type of guy. Looks at him and she goes, aren't you going to do anything? And he goes, shut up.

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And she's like, you're going to do anything? He goes, keep your mouth, be quiet.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Those guys get their food. Four minutes later, whatever, they turn around, they walk out, and she's like, I can't believe you didn't say anything. He is, let me explain something to you. He said, part of being a man and protecting you is knowing.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I can look at those two guys and tell you right now, one, they're very well maybe armed. Nobody in London, very few people in London have guns. Yeah, right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But I can see where they pulled up and stopped, the way they got out, the way they handled themselves. He said, I'm not necessarily afraid, he said, of getting into a fight with one of those guys one-on-one. There's two of them. They're probably armed. They're probably connected. He said, I can look at those guys and tell. They've been in prison and they don't care about going back.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And if it goes bad for me, I'm dead and you may be dead. So as a man, I have to swallow my pride. And say, say nothing. It's five. It's three or four extra minutes out of the next five.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It's not worth it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You have to lose the battle to win the war.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So I have a question. So you're interviewing people. How many interviews are you putting out every single or every week?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, tell, uh, uh, tell Mo, um, you know, he can go through my stuff. I've, I've interviewed, I typically don't interview guys, you know, mob related content because, uh, but I have like, there's probably five or six out there. I probably would have done 30 people. But the reason I don't is because the way most of these guys talk, you know, they talk like, because it's such a known genre,

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Most people know it. I have a friend named Wade. He knows it inside and out. If you say, oh, yeah, Jimmy the Chin or something, he'll be like, oh, yeah, he was with the KZs. He'll tell you the whole thing. He'll do the whole breakdown. How do you know who that is? But when you talk to a lot of these guys, they'll talk like we're in the same family and they're talking about your brother, Mark.

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Or your brothers and sisters are like, I don't know who. Oh, yeah, yeah. You mean crazy so-and-so? Or they sit there. Oh, yeah, yeah. I was with so-and-so. Or I was with the – I don't even – I couldn't – I don't think I could tell you the name of the five families. I certainly don't know who made up what. I know John Gotti and stuff because I've watched a couple documentaries.

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I never think everybody knows him. I know some of the bigger ones, obviously. But I don't know necessarily how they interweave and exactly – But like my buddy Wade, he knows everything inside and out. So I typically don't because when I talk to these guys, I realize how little I know.

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And in order for me to have a really solid conversation, I would have to study for two weeks and read about six books. And then I'd have a decent conversation. And that's not worth an hour and a half podcast. And in the end, there's so much content out there on a lot of these guys anyway. You, however... we'll know all these guys. So it requires nothing of you to have a conversation with them.

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And you'd have a better conversation than, than I'm going to have. So if you have Mo contact me, and what's funny is like Colby, my, my Colby, who's my Colby is my Mo.

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I Colby will leave all this in there. Probably not going to cut any of this, but if, if Mo contacts me, I can give him the name of, you know, four or five guys.

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maybe a couple of lawyers you could interview that are really cool lawyers okay um what else appreciate that thank you i'll give give you wade's information because wade has a channel that i think wade's got about 15 000 listen wade working his channel for three years trying about four months ago he comes to me he flies down here he's from uh South Carolina flies down.

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He says, bro, I'm trying to break 10,000. Can we do a podcast and mention? I said, yeah, yeah, absolutely. So we do the podcast and he went from, I think he got an extra 400 and that pushed him over the 10,000. That was about three, four months ago. He's now at 15,000.

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So it took him about three years to get to 10,000. He's already, already at 50. Like that's what happens. It's such a struggle to get to that. And you're like, I'm getting nowhere. No, I'm getting a few hundred subscribers a day. And then, then all of a sudden you're like, oh, I, you break this one. And then you go, oh, wait a minute.

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Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. And it's like whole, you realize like a year goes by and you're like, it took me three years to get to 10,000. And in the next year, I got to 40. And then the next year, you're at 150. And you're like, what just happened?

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Right. So I wanted to mention that because I know how frustrating it can be.

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But Wade has so many contacts.

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And he's built his channel just doing exactly what we're doing. He just does StreamYard. I think he just started interviewing people.

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Well, I was going to say I've got other guys. I've got smugglers. There's a guy, Dr. Howell. I just interviewed him. He went to prison. Actually, I think he sat with John Gotti. Uh, when he was lying, he was in prison on Gotti and he, I think he administered his like last, you know, blessed him or whatever. He's, he's like a, uh, I forget. He's a preacher or whatever.

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Yeah. I used to always say, what I would say is I became, every time I got away with something, I became emboldened.

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I was so overwhelmingly arrogant that I was, I got to a point where I was just like, they're just not going to catch me because I'm that good. Like, you imagine that. Like, it's even funnier now, of course, after getting caught, and then you're like, you're an idiot. And I look back, and I would have said that. If you'd said to me, why don't you quit?

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I'd be like, they're not going to fucking do shit, bro. They can't catch me.

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I got them this. I got this. I got it all taken care of. I got it all covered. Yeah, well, I can tell you right now, it's not what happened.

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Oh, and I have a financial crime. Every month I had to fill out paperwork. I have to pay a fine. I'm sorry. I have to pay my restitution every month. You know, you send in your check. They're coming back saying, no, you got to pay more. What? No, you this, you that. Listen, when everybody else got their COVID money, I didn't.

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You know, when everybody else, like you go work a W-2 job and you get back $5,000 at the end of the year, the government takes my money.

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It's funny because I've made – when people come here to the studio, what kind of camera – do you mind if I look at the cameras? Pull your phone out. Take a photo of every single camera. Take a picture of what we're using. Take a picture – I'll tell you everything we've got, and I'll tell you all the mistakes we've made because we've made so many mistakes. Oh, sure.

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And we're using cameras that are – it's called a Sony ZV-1. The reason we're doing this is we figured out this is the best camera we can use for the money. They're about $700. The next camera up is like probably about $2,500. And the jump in quality is not – it's not enough to do – it's not enough.

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And the only problem you have is that with the Sony ZV-1, if you zoom in, it doesn't do well when you zoom in. You lose quality. And still, we've got them sitting like they are sitting right next to. We almost zoom in almost none. And the quality is really good with the exception of unless you said, hey, I want to go with film quality. like Hollywood film quality. Okay.

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Well then that's different.

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You're going to spend your minimum. You're spending $10,000. Oh, without a doubt. And when you upload to YouTube, it's going to degrade the film anyway. Like, you know, it's,

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Well, listen, I'll shoot Mo a bunch of guys that I think would be great for your show.

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Well, listen, do you have anything else?

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Hey you guys, I appreciate you watching. Do me a favor and hit the subscribe button, hit the bell. So you get notified of videos just like this. Also I'm in the description box. I'm going to leave, I'm going to leave Joe's link to his YouTube channel, his clips channel, uh, and probably any social media that he also has. So you can go there, you can follow, subscribe, check out his stuff.

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He's growing his channel. Also, um, please consider joining my Patreon. It's $10 a month. It really does help Colby and I make videos like this. It's $10. Um, And like I said, it does help us. And I really do appreciate you guys watching. Thank you very much. And share the video to anybody that you think might be interested. See you.

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Right. And then he got out. OK.

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Three and a half years, that just kicked you out. Why not just kick you out?

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Yeah. I, I watched the documentary on Netflix on Romero's. It's like a six part series or something with the two detectives. Yeah. It was, it was, yeah. The nice talker. Right. It was actually, you know, let's, I mean, for, you know, obviously they don't, most of the people are just not either around or don't want to be spoke to speak about it. Not a lot of B roll.

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If you outlaw guns, like, you know, outlaws, like, you know, look, let's face it. Criminals are not going to abide by that.

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They're not going to abide by that rule. Oh, we're not allowed to have the gun? Oh, well, then I won't. What are you talking about? If you're willing to commit a mass shooting, you're willing to break the law, the gun laws. You know, and you're going to, there's just too many guns.

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Yeah, nah.

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Yeah, I mean, yeah, absolutely. I usually say that, you know, obviously I'm going to put Colby, which is, everybody who watches this knows who Colby is. Colby will put, you know, the book links. Like if you send me the book links, he'll put your book links in the description. Oh, great. of the video.

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So people can just go to the description box, you know, they just hit the button and boom, it'll have a whole list where they can just click on it and bring you straight to your Amazon account or your Amazon book.

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It's on Amazon, right? Everything's on Amazon.

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But the interviews and the B-roll that they did come up with, they did an amazing job on that series. It was really good. The same thing with Bundy. Yeah, I've seen Bundy. Dahmer has a good one, too. Yeah, I never saw the Dahmer. The Dahmer one really bothers me. The Bundy one was... was really good because there was so much stuff that I didn't know.

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Hey, I appreciate you guys watching the video. Do me a favor, hit the subscribe button, hit the bell. So you get notified of videos like this and, uh, share the video and leave me a comment. Um, We're going to put the Amazon link in the description. And all right. I appreciate you guys. See you.

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I didn't know he had escaped from prison multiple times. I didn't know how many times he'd come close to getting caught.

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Yeah.

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Then he ends up getting married once he's locked up.

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And he, what I don't, I don't get to like, he's living in the house with the smell and the bodies are buried in the bodies everywhere. Yeah. What? I mean, I get, well, I mean, obviously, you know, there are certain things that just come along with different mental conditions, obviously. The idea that he wouldn't dispose of the body somewhere else, like how hard, it always kills me.

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It's like these guys murder somebody and then they leave the body in the living room for two days. And when it starts smelling, then they bury it outside. It's like, you can't, if you're able to kill someone, like you can't, I mean, you've got a job. Like, I mean, you're paying your bills. You should be able to think

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You know, you, yeah, well, like I said before, you always have some guy who's saying, this guy's full of shit. Listen, I did one. It's funny because I had a guy that I researched his entire case. I wrote a I wrote a synopsis, about a 12,000 word synopsis on its case, researched it, saw all the documents, everything. And there were guys in the comment section. That's bullshit. That never happened.

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far enough in advance to say, Hey, I cannot leave this body here and I'm not going to bury it in my backyard. I need to get rid of it. Like they just, no, just bury it in the backyard. It's easier. Talking about leaving stuff around, how about Dahmer, man?

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Oh yeah. This is never getting monetized by the way. Huh? This video is never getting monetized. You know, you don't monitor, you know how that works. Okay. So monetization on a video, like, like they will limit your monetization or make it just completely on advertize on advertiser friendly prime channel. I know what you're saying, but, but like say 99% of all my videos,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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get monetized because we try and stay away from certain things. And because I typically don't talk about violence. Oh, that's what True Crime is, all violence. No, but my channel isn't really violence. If you're watching my videos, there's mostly it's scams and cons. And even if it's stuff like buying, you know, even your stuff wasn't violent that we talked about because it was more about buying

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This is violent.

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Yeah, you know what's funny? It's like 80% of violent true crime is women.

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These are people who people don't care about, right? Oh, no, no, no, no, no. I don't mean the victims of it. I mean the people, the consumers, the people that watch it. Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah. My analytics on my channel, it's 95% male. I would imagine. For some reason, if I talked about murders and serial killers, if it was that kind of channel, then 80% of it would be female would be watching it.

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Like he said this and he like this isn't the guy saying it like I ordered the police report. This is the police saying this is what happened.

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I would never guess that. Women are super attracted to the more violent types of violent murders and serial killings and things like that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What mistakes these women made and learn from them? Maybe. I don't know. I don't know. I really thought my channel would be more female. Like there'd be a lot of female, at least a 50, 50 mix, or maybe 25, 35. Like, but because I don't really, you know, really, I guess, talk about a lot of violence. Then it's just, it hasn't picked up with it slowly. Initially it was like 99%, 98.

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Now I think it's down to like, It's actually been getting better.

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I didn't just take his word for it. Even on my own, every once in a while, you'll get somebody saying, this guy's full of shit. This didn't happen. That didn't happen. It's like, okay, well, if those things didn't happen, why did I go to federal prison? They didn't send me there for no reason. My charges are... They're real. Right. There's always going to be... I would say, listen, for every 90...

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Yeah. So it, and then 1% is user nonspecific or sorry, sorry. 0.1% is user nonspecific. So yeah. So the bulk of it is, so it's not 95 now it's down to 92. But yeah, the bulk of it is, is is male on my channel, which is insane. But yeah, you're right. Maybe it is because maybe it's because women are concerned or in fear or worried about. I think they should be.

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I thought it was funny. I was working out with my wife this morning and I was listening because I told you I listened to most of it this morning when I was working out about 45 minutes. And, you know, you don't really do scenes. You know what I'm saying?

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Like you, you don't, when I say scenes, I mean, you don't, you don't re and this is what kills me is like, and I mentioned to her, I said, this guy was in the room with these criminals, like, but he's not re you don't. Yours is written. It's very informative. This happened. This happened. I said this, they said this, that, but you don't re invent or put the dialogue.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So every once in a while, you'll have a piece of dialogue where I tend to redo a scene. Like they said this, I said this. And I'll do some narration on what the dialogue is because you can't go back and forth, back and forth. It's too much. But I noticed that you don't really do that. You're getting, you very quickly get to just the core information. The meat and potato? Yes.

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And you're like, boom, boom, boom, boom. Like I wanted to know when you had a problem with your, I mean, you name what they are, but the supervisors, whatever. I know you're calling the GPPT. You give them the initials. I don't know what that means. But obviously, this supervisor and then his supervisor, you just basically say there was a dispute. We never got along.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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What were some of those events? You kind of skim over those and and to me that's i would have liked to have known like you're saying the guy was a jerk but why was he a jerk like what did he actually you give some examples i get some examples yeah you do but but it'd be interesting to see that one more one more one more I want more dialogue. I want to see a little bit, not a ton.

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I don't like a ton, just enough to get the, so that you kind of know, oh, he's snide. He's making snide comments or, oh, that was kind of a dick thing to say.

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to a hundred guys that tell me say wonderful things. There's always one guy or two guys that are just like, they, and they'll hate you for no reason.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So, you know, those are things you got to carry. Well, what I was wondering about and this and I've noticed this, I noticed in the B.O.P.,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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um, you know, when I was locked up and I know, and I had heard this from officers saying this, and I've, I've noticed this, it basically in the federal government, you even say, you don't, don't get this kind of, this kind of behavior other than the federal government. The private sector, are you, huh? In the private sector, you act, you're fired. Instead, they just, they just transfer you.

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So, and then a lot of times in the BOP, what I, I'm, It was explained to me. They said a lot of times what happens is they'll say we want to transfer you, but they can't make they can't force you to do it. So they're like, we can't fire them. We can't transfer them. They said the only way you can force them to take the transfer is to give them a raise. There we go.

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So if you say, look, we're going to make you so we're going to make you a case manager. Or right now you're a counselor. We're desperate to get rid of this fucking guy. You know what we're going to do? We're going to give him a raise. We'll make him a case manager at this other institution and get rid of him. So then they tell the other institution, this guy's amazing. Yeah, sure. Great.

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Yeah.

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So what happens is the worse of an employee you are, the more sometimes, not always, but a lot of times you get these problemed individuals that keep getting raises or advancing and they shouldn't be advanced.

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Well, and listen, to be honest, like those are the ones I typically react to too. So I'm, I'm only, I'm only helping that situation by reacting to them. Yeah. I've, I've learned to ignore it now.

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The next thing I know...

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You work in the private sector. You know that, right? Yeah. Well, I mean, yeah. No, they'll – yeah. Not just pulling your weight, if you're not making money, if you're a drain, even if there's a conflict, we're going to get rid of the guy who's causing the conflict. How about an alcoholic?

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Right? There's guys in the BOP that are hooked on pain pills. The correctional officers are coming and they're high on pain pills. Yep. They're maniacs.

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Listen, not even face-to-face. Sometimes if you just respond to them, Not even me and you just say, wow, bro, I don't know why you would say that. This is what happened. I'm not sure where you're getting that. They'll come back almost immediately and say, yo, bro, I didn't mean that. I didn't realize. I was drinking last night when I wrote that. They really just want attention.

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What was the thing in that – there was a state prison where they were – the guards could control the movements of the inmates by opening gates, right? And they would end up letting two rival gang inmates into an area and they were taking bets on who would win. Oh, yeah. I've seen that too.

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Yeah. So what's interesting is So my wife was locked up at Coleman. Coleman had a massive lawsuit against a bunch of women getting raped. Oh, yeah. It was big. And she was there with all these girls.

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The COs. Really? Right. But here's the thing. When she'll sit there and she'll go, she'll say, her version is, which I believe, is that the girls were literally targeting the, the CEOs, like they're flirting with them. They're trying to sleep with them. And then they get the, the, the CEOs bring stuff in, in for them.

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So they bring in food, they bring in, you know, they'll bring in cell phones, they'll bring in all kinds of stuff. And then they're sleeping with the inmates. So, but technically the CEOs, if they have sex with an inmate, it's rape. The inmate, a female or male inmate cannot give consent. Therefore, it's forcible or therefore it's rape. That's right.

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So, you know, listen, literally her her her Sally was having sex with one of the guards, you know, and she said, look, not that the guards weren't trying you, but she's like, they make it seem like they're being cornered and the doors are locked and three guards come in. She's that's not what it is at all. It's like the guards are flirting with them.

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They're like, you know, they would get them into a room or not, not trap them in a room, but like, hey, come in, come in the office. They close the door and, you know, they'd they'd make out and they'd have sex. And, you know, and then the guard would bring stuff for them, bring them in this, bring them in that way.

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Absolutely. But yeah, but what I'm saying, I mean, from the guard's perspective, obviously, but then the guards get charged with rape. Like, Oh my God. Like you're, you're charging. Like, like I get it. I understand it's, it's inappropriate, but they, when you hear rape. Oh, rape. You think of Bundy and these other psychopaths. Of course. So to me, it's like, come up with a lesser charge.

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Well, to be honest with you, most of these guys just got dismissed. Yeah. Fire.

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They should be. They were dismissed. There was a huge lawsuit. The inmates got paid. But it was in there, you know, they specifically one woman got together and got several of the girls that had had sex with the guards and then several other girls that my wife says she's I don't I don't think that they slept with any of the CEOs. Like, I think they just jumped on the bandwagon.

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But it was such a publicity issue for the BOP. They just immediately came in and settled.

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because let's face it the girls that can prove they had sex with them there's text messages they're bringing stuff in they have samples of you know blood samples dna yeah dna you can prove this i can prove that it's like okay well there's no way you could have gotten that dna unless and then some of the some of the ceos immediately once they're cornered they admit it yes this is what happened yes i also know this person did this this so they're giving each other up because if you lie

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and they prove it, then you get more charges. Now you're flying to a federal officer. Yeah. Now you got more stuff coming out of your way. So anyway, what happened is they ultimately, they let these guys go and they paid out a huge, a huge fine.

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Well, you get these, well, listen, I had, I had a, a, I knew a guy in there. Oh, my God, this is horrible. There was a CEO that had been moved around. I don't know how long he'd been with the BOP, but he'd been moved around multiple times. And my buddy in there, his name, I'll give him his first name is Frank. Frank was an older guy. The CEO was an older guy, probably late 50s, early 60s.

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my buddy's an older guy, early sixties. He's walking by one day and the CEO who'd only been there, you know, a week or two says to him, tells him to come into the office, walks in the office, he goes, close the door. And he's like, like, you don't walk in and close the door. Like what are you doing? He's like, um, okay. So he closes the door. It's a low, you know?

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So he's sitting there and the guy says, uh, He goes, how long you been here? He tells them I've been locked up about whatever it was, six years, seven years. Oh yeah. He said, you look like your workout, your workout. He goes, yeah, yeah. I used to work out a lot. Not so much anymore. I walked a track.

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He said, so he, so he sparks up like a conversation and he says out of nowhere, the CEO says to him, um, you know, if you have sex with another man and you're, you're locked up, it doesn't make you gay. And my buddy goes, yeah, it does. He goes, yeah, it does. And he said, no, it doesn't. And he goes, listen, man. He said, I feel uncomfortable about this conversation. He said, I'm going to go.

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And he leaves. Well, he immediately comes and he tells me and a guy named Donovan that I was friends with. He comes outside. He's like, listen to what just happened. And he tells us, we're dying laughing. And of course, listen, most of our time was in there. It was spent just giving each other a hard time. And I said, I go, listen, Frank, you got a lot of time.

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And I said, I mean, you might want to think now my buddy Rossini is there, right? He does legal work. And I said, you might want to think about, I said, listen, this may be an opportunity for a downward to get like a rule. It might be an opportunity for you. You've got a lot of time. You got nothing coming. And he goes and he's like, fuck you.

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And then I said and Donovan jumps in and he goes, think about it, Frank. He is at least give him a reach around. So Rossini says it just from nowhere. Rossini goes, save the sample. Like this whole weird dying laugh. And of course, Frank yells at us, calls us a bunch of jerks and walks off. But yeah, I definitely can see them trying people.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Um, you said something about the red light district back here. Listen, I got a red wall. I painted the red wall. I have, um, I usually, I just took down, I had a bunch of Marilyn Monroe paintings. Oh, that's cool. Yeah. I took them down now. Oh, so I'm going, I'm going. uh, minimalist. It's just going to be a red wall with the, the, the soundproofing, the mics. It's going to change everything.

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One of the guys was in somewhere in Latin America or Venezuela?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, was it Puerto Rico?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, this was a guy, he ended up getting like 30, I remember he got 36 months, I think you said. Was it Escobar? His last name was Escobar?

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Right. Yeah. And he said, you know, tried to say, oh, I was just selling them to friends. Yeah.

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You're smuggling.

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But it was hundreds of guns.

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I was going to say, listen to this and tell me if this made sense. I mean, you know, when he said it, I never questioned it. It seems like, wow, that seems like a reach. Well, it's not a reach. It's, I knew a guy that was a felon, went to... Did I tell you this last time? He went to one of those gun shows with his girlfriend. His girlfriend buys the gun, comes back, but...

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It was he was in his they were in his vehicle. The ATF, he said, had gone through and gotten the tag numbers of people at the gun show and run them. They saw that I was a convicted felon. So he said like two weeks later or something like that, they pulled him over and he had the gun that his girlfriend had got. And he ended up getting a constructive possession charge.

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It's going to be huge. I think you'll see that. I like it. Yeah. So I like it, but I do like Marilyn Monroe though. I'm a big fan. No doubt. Yeah. I mean, I've got, I, I, I make those, um, I don't know if you've ever seen, I make them. They're, uh, They're modified screen prints. So it's a screen print of Marilyn Monroe, but every one of them is different, like different colors.

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And I think he got like three years or five years or something like that. But but but he had he had a history. No, no. Well, one, he's a felon, and two, he had been arrested already before for drugs. Sure. So you have a history. You have more time.

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and get probation. If I bought a couple of guns, not me, but if somebody with no history bought a couple of guns for me and had them for three or four years and then went and sold them, he's not breaking the law. The problem is when they go in and they buy the gun knowing they're going to sell it to this guy. I'm buying it for $500 and I'm going to sell it for $1,500 to this guy over here.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You can't do that. If you're just selling your own gun, no.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, I saw a few of them. Yes, I like that. So I sell those on Etsy, although sales have dropped recently. The last few months, everything's starting to go south. Even book sales.

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Well, I definitely don't think it's right that you're telling me that. I paid for something that when I bought it, it was legal. It was $300. Now you're saying I'm going to get in trouble. Just throw it away. I'm throwing away $300? No. If you have a buyback program, you're going to give me my $300 back. They don't.

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I was going to say, did you ever see there was a TikTok video where an agent, I think it was an ATF agent comes. Yeah, it was an ATF agent. It comes to this guy's door. He's got some registered weapons. What? I've seen it. Yeah, where the guy goes, oh, hold on a second, and calls the police and says, the guy here, he says he wants to see my guns. Oh, from Columbus.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You're talking about the guy who gets arrested? Yeah. Yes. Yeah, that was, to me, one, well, first of all. He had taste, too. Yeah, but here's the thing. What killed me is this. All he had to do was comply.

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Show the identification, comply. Let them put some handcuffs on you. That's happened to me.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, okay.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Look, here's what bothers me. To me, the cops showing up saying, hey, get out of the car. Let me see your... I don't feel like that's being disrespected. To me, I don't know why they're here. They don't really know what's going on. They're asking to see my ID. That's what I did. I complied. Yeah, exactly. The problem was that guy, he immediately – you could just tell he's a dickhead.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Hey, don't – I'm a federal agent. Hey, look, I'm sure you're a real badass, bro, but for right now, put your fucking hands up. Let me see your – you know what I'm saying? You do what I tell you to do right now. You don't know what the situation is. So mouthing off, what happens? He ends up – Escalating. Suddenly he starts talking about a heart condition and everything. It's like – I can't breathe.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Remember, I can't breathe. Yeah. Stop it, bro. Like nobody, like nobody cares about some guy who works at Walmart who's getting arrested if he's got a heart condition or he can't breathe or, you know, no, no. We're cuffing you, putting in the back of the car. You had a chance. I always love the people that the TikToks where the guys don't want to show their driver's license or something.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, I don't need a driver's license to drive. Yes, you do. It's not going to go good. Like, I don't know which one of your idiot friends told you that was a thing, but it's not.

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I love the cops show up and they're just like, what are you doing? Yeah, he can do that. Or, you know, oh, he's videoing. He's videoing in the street. He's allowed to video in the street.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And it's going to get ugly. And you see the videos. It gets ugly. Listen, I saw one the other day where the woman was escorted off the plane. But, you know, the pilot basically came out and said, look, you got to go. But people are videoing and she gets upset. They didn't call the police. She just walks off the plane yelling and cussing and screaming.

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And as she walks off, she screams, I hope you guys crash, burn and die. And right then the pilot went, oh, hell no. And he went after her. I have no doubt that she got arrested, you know, or the police came and questioned her. Like, don't get cute. Don't start talking about bombs and terrorists and blowing up and dying.

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I have a question. Have you ever met any sovereign citizens? I've heard of them. I don't think I met one personally, unless maybe they were. They didn't tell me. Oh, listen, the jails are full of them. My prison is full of them. Like there's not full of them, but there's probably I've met. 30 of them. I actually have done an interview with this one guy who's a sovereign citizen.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And I mean, they are so convincing. Obviously, I know he's insane, but they are so 100%. I love people that talk so convincing and confident about what they believe. But, you know, it's insanity. Like they're telling you that the earth is flat or something. And they have all these reasons why it's flat. And you're sitting there looking at him like, right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And the whole time I'm looking at him thinking, right, right. He's thinking he's convincing me. And I'm thinking, what went wrong chemically in your mind that has you believing that you don't have to pay income tax? that law enforcement has no authority, no authority over you that, you know, like there's all these things in it and money doesn't exist. You know, like he'll go on and on.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'm like, right, right. And what's so funny about those guys is that like I've never once ever in over a decade dealing with these guys have ever seen a successful person sovereign citizen. There are always some guys staying in somebody's spare room who can barely pay their bills. They think they've got it all figured out, and yet you're this close to being on the street.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You never meet some guy living in a $2 million house that's a sovereign citizen. If he does, it's because he's committing tax fraud and he's about to be indicted and go to prison.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, well, kind of, yeah. They're not anarchists as much as they just think that nobody – that the United States laws don't apply to them, which – Doesn't mean that they want anarchy as much as it's them saying, no, no, I'm my own person. I'm in charge of myself. Your laws don't apply to me, which is insanity. Yeah, that's insanity.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Didn't he also have a copy of the Turner Diaries?

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He's been working hard on this one. Do you ever do anything on the Chinese gangs in, like, L.A., the triads? In my street gang book, there's a chapter on that. Yeah. There's street gangs. Yeah. I'm working on a story right now on the triads.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Was it 20 or 30 of them, something like that?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And the federal agency, the office, was empty that day.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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then why is he driving around in a vehicle with no tag on it?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like what an idiot, like, like, like all of the things that he did and put together, like, I mean, remove, you know, remove the morality of the entire situation. The fact is the, the planning was, it was well planned. And then you have no escape strategy. Like you have no, like it just completely like, listen to me, it's like robbing a bank.

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Like you could plan all the things, but if you can't figure out how to get out of that bank and get away scot-free, all that planning doesn't mean anybody. You could have gone in with a note. So the idea that he planned that whole thing

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Did you see the interview on him where he said, he talks about where they said, what was the first thing you thought of when you looked over? And he said, I was disappointed because I really thought I was going to bring the whole building down. It was his first thought was,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That building almost came completely down. The chunk out of that thing, that explosion must have been... It was 30 foot wide crater, 8 foot deep.

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I heard the other day that the average person comes in or crosses the path of something like, was it like three to six? It was like three or six people

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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How did he get caught?

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He rented the van.

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They interviewed him.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That's why I love nonfiction. I know. It's funnier than anything else. It's funny because when I talk to these guys and research stuff, I mean, I am constantly telling myself that, I mean, I know it's a cliche, you know, that truth is stranger than fiction. But I mean, there's stuff that I'm just like, I never could have come up with this.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like if I had to just imagine it, like some of the things that people say and things that happened, it's like, this is insane.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He did unbelievable stuff, right? All these cult leaders, once they get a little bit of power, You know, they all get weird and almost immediately they get power, you know, power. Well, you know, absolute power corrupts, you know, absolutely. And even if these guys initially maybe they had aspirations of coming up with some kind of a church or something, maybe they had, you know, good aspirations.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Very quickly, it tends to go right. The moment they get absolute power, they immediately get nuts.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Mother, mother, please. Listening to that, listening to that tape of Jim Jones when everybody's being poisoned. Sickening. It is, it is, it is bone chilling. Like this, this is insanity. You can hear the people crying and

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And how do you think they're not protected? So I thought about that. And I think, and I noticed this a lot of times, is that If you've been raised in a non-violent environment and you've been surrounded by it, you somehow, and especially if you suddenly get to a position of power yourself, you start thinking that you're... somehow or another shielded from violence.

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Like you don't think anything bad's going to happen to you because you've never been a part of it. You've heard about it, but you've never seen it. And when he went out there, he's really just being told that we're not being allowed to leave. So he may not be thinking that they're... Maybe he's not thinking that he's in danger. He's going to go out. He's going to see what happens.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He's going to have a conversation. He's going to leave. He's probably not thinking... that Jones is insane, as insane as he clearly was. You probably didn't think there was that much risk.

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It's a Jonestown.

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Oh, I didn't, I didn't realize that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They're spreading. Is it El Salvador where the president is? They elected the president. He built that huge prison and just went and arrested like 10,000 of them or something. Yeah, they're trying to, but it's like you stop them more.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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See, I just thought that there were families that were saying – that their family members weren't communicating with them. They were in Guyana. And they felt they were being held against their will. Maybe they'd gotten a letter.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, I'm not done yet, but yeah, it was good. Good. Thank you. I appreciate that. Yeah, definitely. I'm trying to think. We'll put the link. Is that the only one that's on Audible?

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I heard the other day that the average person comes in or crosses the path of something like, was it like three to six, three or it was like three or six people

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I'm not going to read that. But I hear you. I'm not, but I hear you. But if you like that kind of stuff, read it. How did you become an ATF? You were always interested in that sort of thing.

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You're saying back then that's how they're doing it, or you're saying that's how they're doing it now?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Cuba, was it Castro said it was the... He said the pink menace, or he said that was the best way to undermine the United States was through the importation of drugs. Yeah, Hugo Chavez from Venezuela used to do that.

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So I thought I had read something about Cuba, like Castro wasn't like involved in it, but he was allowing for short for a period of time. He like allowed planes to land or fly through by through air airspace. And then he caught up with him and then he was like, OK, we're done with that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, especially if you can get away with it, they get away with it because a lot of times they don't even, there's just opportunists. Like suddenly the opportunity is there and they just, boom, they snap and like a long distance truck driver or something. Like, how are you going to catch that guy? He killed somebody, gets in his truck. He didn't know him. There's no connection. Yeah.

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It's much sexier from Don Johnson's point of view. From the Don Johnson point of view, it's much sexier. He's got the Ferrari. He's got the Ferrari, which is cool. He folds up. Remember, he would fold up the suit. Do you remember the jacket? Oh, yeah. Yeah, the cool colors, right? Yeah. Yeah. So far, your version of it sucks. Your version is work. Right. Yeah.

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They get a lot of prostitutes.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I wrote a story about a guy that's what they did. They had the concrete pallets and concrete tiles that they were. Yes. And came in with pallets. Yes.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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For clarity purposes, so here's what, you know, because just this is what I understand. So, and I only understand this because I've written several stories. I wrote a story called American Narco. And And so it, so you're saying like, right.

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As a custom agent, like you find this, you find the drugs and you're like, okay, then you're notifying somebody else because, and then they're setting that and trying to either follow that, that, you know, the, that, that, that drug shipment and bust the guys. Is that it? Because it'll, I, let me give you an example. I had a, what the story I wrote. they had shipped in marijuana in these tiles.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And they allowed the shipment, like they delivered the shipment And these guys loaded it into their warehouse, sat it there for like a week, and there was a tracking device inside the thing. And so they start unpacking the whole thing, and suddenly there's this black box with a little light on it and these wires. And they're like, oh, shit. They throw it. They run.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But, of course, by that point, they're pulling up. The gig is up. Yeah. They bust them like two days later, they come and raid their house or something, their houses and stuff. But so at this point with customs, you're just saying, Hey, here's what we found. And they're doing the rest of that. You wanted to actually be the guy to go the next level. Right. Okay. Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, I just find what the next level is.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know, like you said, you watch it on TV and people think, oh, I could do that. No, you can't. They spot you in a second. I used to joke around, you know, with the guys in prison. Like, you know, we'd just be walking and they'd see me and they'd say, hey, Cox, what's up? And I'd go, I can't call it. And they'd just start laughing. They'd go, stop. I'd go, what are you talking about?

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I did that good. They'd go, no, it's even worse when you do it. Yeah. They're like, you're not even close. You can't come close to pulling out. And you can't. You just can't fake that. It's hard. It's a real, you really have to become an actor to be able to fake. That's true. To be able to fake that. You have to be good at it. It takes time.

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Now, if you want small, you don't do that. Right. I was going to say the informant thing. I'm researching a story right now. It's funny. You do all the incident reports. You read through the incident reports. And the first thing they do, literally, obviously, this guy got busted. He got busted. I think he got busted for a gun, actually.

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And then he goes and they have him make a couple of meth buys. You know, and just, he's just wired, like he's just wired. They're just control buys. Then they have him eventually introduce, you know, his boss. Right.

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which is the undercover, then the undercover goes with him on a couple of buys, then just the undercover buys, and then they cut the informant out, and to me, having been in prison, I realized that the problem is, you can't let him keep buying, you can't let the informant keep buying, because first of all, he's unreliable, he's got a record, and then what happens if he gets busted for something else,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know, you can't put him on the stand like it was since then. You've been busted for this and this. And he has a huge incentive to lie and the agent doesn't. So, you know, you want to put him on the stand and you want it to be the agent. That's right. The clean jacket. He introduced me. Here's what I did. I bought a kilo over the course of the next month.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Can you hold on a second? Sorry. I don't even know what that is, but here's the funny thing about it. Since I'm speaking with you, is my wife's ex-boyfriend was arrested for he had a dispute with a guy over I'm pretty sure I think it was drugs or something and he made a bomb. Oh no. And left it for the guy. It didn't go off. Oh my gosh that's crazy.

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But he ended up going to jail for it and like he's on like the no fly list And so every time I get a package and I walk out, my first thought when I see the package is, please let this guy, please let this really be from Amazon. And I keep, you know, it's so funny. Sometimes I get deliveries. It's like, it's just, it's just there. And I always, I don't unwrap it.

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My girlfriend comes in, I'm like, you're unlock it. You're opening that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It's very volatile. I actually had a friend that was making a pipe bomb when he was like 15, 16 years old and it exploded, blew his hands off. the shrapnel, like he bled out within a minute. Oh no. But he died and you know, just a kid, just being stupid, you know, thought it was cool, had made a couple small ones, and just playing, never once thinking to himself, like, hey, this could be it.

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You understand what you're playing with, right? Like, this isn't a joke.

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54 turns into 56. But yeah, it's even further. It's a 15-minute drive to 75 from where I live. It's like living in the Truman Show, though. I mean, it's... The houses are... Everything's brand new. Everything's underground. All the houses look... I mean, it's a great area. Everybody... It's funny. On my street, there's two sheriff's deputies. There's an insurance salesman.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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There's a couple bankers. Like, I'm the riffraff on the street.

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So what what I think is testing me. Right. So why would you go? Why? If if the AK wasn't in there, they showed up later. Like, why am I going in the trail? Like, why? What do you think they were trying to get you in the trailer for?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I don't think of Zephyr Hills and things like that at all. I mean, it's very, you know, rural. Like, you know what I'm saying?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. And they're not afraid to kill. Yeah, they're brutal. They're brutal. Brutal. Brutal. El Mayo, which was Chapo's, it basically started at the Sinaloa, right? And then El Chapo kind of came in right after. But I was going to say El Mayo, like, I heard that he still drives like an old, he's, he's worth, you know, billions and billions, you know, whatever.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And he still drives an old pickup truck. That's smart. Around town. Like, you know, like he's not, you know, he lives in a, you know, different places. And you're the same thing with El Chavo. He's always, all he's really, He's really good at surviving.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He was up until the United States got him, you know, but he was really good at surviving, you know, through brutality and just for thinking like always on the escape route, always be thinking, don't all keep staying in the same place, change, change locations, you know.

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Now, you know what's funny about that? I had read that like the area that was where the prison is, it was actually the new generation that was in charge of digging, even though they're rivals. Of digging the tunnel.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, listen, they don't care. El Chapo didn't even know who he was. He's probably thinking, well, my celebrity will probably help me a little bit or keep me safe a little bit. No, it won't. He didn't even know who you are. No.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Not escape a third time. They obviously realized like, look, we're just not going to be able to keep this guy here. We have to send him to the United States.

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Very sad. I think- You know, it's funny, like I first of all, people are always, you know, oh, the you know, like the U.S. government's corrupt. Like, look, there's some corruption here and there. You have no idea what it's like in other countries. That's true. In other countries.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But if and not just that, it's like, look, you're paying your police officer in Mexico making six or seven hundred dollars a month. Nothing. Nothing. That's nothing like like I get it. You shouldn't you know, you shouldn't be involved in corruption. You should be. But it's hard not to be not only for the money, but it's dangerous.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like if you end up being a cop like it's it's kind of like the the the what was it? Shoot. I was going to say what there was a movie about it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You don't play. It's just a horrible situation in general. So, you know, when you were talking about like the higher up upper echelon of the government, I have a buddy named Juan Sanchez who was in Venezuela, right? He was a Venezuelan citizen, came to the United States, started doing real estate, doing very well. 2008 financial crisis hits.

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His subdivisions and the development start going under, he needs money. So he goes to Venezuela and he starts pitching to Venezuelans like, hey, you should invest And so people in the government invest. Basically, the equivalent of the U.S., or the head, like the U.S. Attorney here, the U.S. Attorney General in Venezuela ends up investing with him. Multiple people in the government investing.

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But he finds out later when Juan gets caught, the money they're investing is money they're laundering for Mexico. The cartels. For the cartels through Venezuela. They give it to Juan. Juan loses the money. Oh, no. And now they're threatening to kill him. He actually goes back to Venezuela. They kidnap him for four or five days.

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He eventually escapes, gets on a plane, flies back to the United States. But when he gets caught, he eventually obviously cooperates. He cooperates. And the FBI comes in and the CIA comes in. He said they never said CIA, but they never showed badges, anything. My lawyer told me I think they were CIA. They come in and they say, listen, we looked at your phone.

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We see phone numbers and names in here of people that we've had indicted from Venezuela that are in the government. And so they start asking, you know this guy, you know this guy? He goes, yeah, I know that guy. And they said, we've had him indicted on a sealed indictment. We can't get him. So they asked him what happened. He tells them.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And he says, do you want me to get him to come to the United States? And they go, yeah, but he would never do that. He's not that stupid. And they go, and Juan goes, no, no, he's that stupid. He goes, you don't get to become... You don't get that high in the government without being... You don't get it through brains. You get it through brutality. That's true.

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So he contacts him because the guy had asked him to try and get him a travel permit in the United States so he could bring his family into the United States to visit Disney World. So he contacts him, sends him an email. No, that's not it. But his... His visa had been denied by the State Department. He said, all you have to do is have the U.S.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Embassy write him a letter saying that it was a mistake and it's been approved and he can come. They wrote him a letter. He said, literally, we're talking about three days later, he's on a plane, flies into Miami, and they arrest him in the airport in Miami with his family thinking they're going to Disney World.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know, what happened was he rolled over on a bunch of people. He ended up getting like four years or something and got back out. Oh, did he? Massive, massive indictment. These guys do.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Hey, this is Matt Cox, and I am here with Ignacio Esteban. He is a former ATF agent, retired, and he's written several true crime books based on various cases. I just finished one of them, and we're going to do an interview. So check it out. What's going on, Matt? Hey, what's going on?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So it's funny. So I wish... Why can't I remember the name of this book? I used to know it too. And trust me, somebody in the comment section will tell me the name of the book. It actually came out probably 10 years ago, maybe 15 years ago. It's about there's like an evangelist, like a preacher, super rich preacher. His son gets caught. He has a security detail, right?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like he's got several of these mega churches. He has a security detail. And one of the lead security agent or security person in charge of his security detail is a former DEA agent that had to retire because of brutality. Like he had been caught multiple times. Like, you know, he had been written up. He finally retires. Well, I'll call him the preacher.

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The preacher's son ends up getting caught like smoking, I don't know, smoking, doing drugs or something. One of his friend ODs on coke or something. I forget what it was. But he's upset and he ends up venting to this former DEA agent. So his security, you know, head of security. So his head of security, he's like, you know, he says, how much money do I give? you know, every month, every year.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He's like, oh, like a million dollars to these programs. And he goes, he goes, is it even helping? He's like, no, it's not gonna, this is gonna do nothing. And he says, well, what can end this? And he said, well, you know, it's so out of control that the government can't, they just can't, it's everything they can do to try and keep it stemmed. If you could get it pulled back,

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a little bit, then they could probably get a better handle on it. And he said, there's an idea we used to kick around at the DEA. And he said, well, what was that? He said, if you poisoned the drug supply, Then the, the, the, the hardcore, he said, the casual users aren't the problem. He says, casual users would just stop.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He said, but the drug addicts, he said, they would have to seek some kind of rehabs. Any rehab. Yeah. Right. And so they end up, he ends up going to somewhere and who knows where Brazil, I forget where it was, but someplace. And he, he ends up, he ends up finding this chemist and he ends up getting these mushrooms that allows them to poison, um,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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the drug supply right like coke and he of course he he gets a bunch of retired dea agents you know friends of his to help him there's a group of like six of them and he ends up poisoning a whole bunch of drugs and what happens is the hardcore users they they inhale it and then if they do enough of it it ends up breaking down and shutting down their their livers and they die

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So they end up doing this on a massive scale. Oh my gosh. And listen, it was, and of course what happens is it works. But the problem is, is what he tells the preacher is like, you know, there will be, some people will get sick. There may be a few deaths. And he knows the reality is there's going to be thousands.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And there ends up being tens of thousands of deaths because they do it on such a massive scale. And This is fiction. It's fiction. Yeah, it's fiction, but it's a great book. I mean, keep in mind how much I read when I was locked up. It was this, it was just really well written, researched,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know, how much was possible, I don't know, but it was, it really, you know, and the guy's got the statistics and the whole thing, and you really realize reading the book, like, what a massive issue it is. Oh, it is. It is.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, I mean, drugs were just never my thing, but this is the thing. I definitely agree that, to me, look, if you took the money they spent on the prison population and you made going to rehabs affordable and you did more education and you legalize a lot of those substances, I think would alleviate the problem considerably. And it, listen, and it'd be detrimental to the cartels. Absolutely.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Because then you're taxing it here.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, listen. And you know, there's places in Jamaica you can't even go. Oh, that's true. I mean, the government doesn't go like we were when I went to Jamaica. It's funny. I was I was on the run and I went to Jamaica and and we were to have the taxi driver. He's like driving us around and we were like, hey, let's go here. Let's go here. And he was like, yeah, you can't go there.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And he was like, listen, he's like, the police don't go there. Like, you definitely aren't going there. He was like, we're not going there in my cab. And it was like, wow, it's that bad? What do you mean the police don't go? He's like, no, that section, that area is completely owned and operated by this one gang. To make them possible. Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. I was gonna say also, you know, as a writer, you make like you'll make six dollars, six fifty seven dollars on a on a book that you sell on on Amazon. And if the publisher sells it, you're making a dollar fifteen, a dollar thirty five, like. And look, when I was locked up, I got a book deal. They were in Barnes and Nobles. That's great. How exciting is that? That's super cool.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But in the end, like six months ago, this is five years later. Six months ago is the first time I actually got a small check from them because it took that long to pay back the advance they gave me. They gave me like a $3,500 advance. And listen, in prison, $3,500 is a lot of money. But it just took that long to even pay it back.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I was going to say almost 1,000 people. Something like 150 kids or 200 kids or something. How many kids? More than that. More than that. That's horrible.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It wasn't even Kool-Aid. Flavor-Aid. Flavor-Aid. Poor Kool-Aid. Poor Kool-Aid got hit with Kool-Aid, drinking the Kool-Aid this whole time. Drinking the Kool-Aid. What's that? Kool-Aid. Flavor-Aid. I was going to say, the problem is everybody always focuses on the murder, the mass suicide. Even if you remove that, though, His rise is amazing. Oh, my God. His ability to manipulate is amazing.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And the fact that he starts Jonestown and then the senator shows up and they realize what's happening. I'm sorry. Congressman's going to go back to the United States. He's going to tell everybody. They're going to obviously send over the troops and grab these guys. It's coming down. But then he actually sends his guys to kill him. That's unbelievable. And they do like that story.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That's the great thing. What I love about I love about nonfiction. You couldn't come up with that. No, like that is so bizarre. It's, you know, the term, you know, you know, truth is stranger than fiction. It's true. I agree. If you told someone that and it hadn't happened, they'd be like, yeah, bro, that's just like it's it's it's too out there to believe. Sure. I agree.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like that's just too bizarre. But it happened.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So you don't think... But don't you... Look, but I hear what you're saying, but... If you were telling me that, I would be thinking, that's crazy. It's too crazy. That's not going to happen. That's never happened. In history, it's happened.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But it's so unbelievable that an American citizen and that a group of American citizens would have done this or that anybody would follow or anybody would follow through like, okay, he's doing it. I get it. He's out there. But that's probably not going to happen. And who's going to kill a senator? That's not gonna happen.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Because didn't some of the people even try and run off into the woods and stuff and they were shooting at them?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Did you, well, so I forgot, I'm going to butcher this guy's name. The guy who wrote Fight Club, Chuck Paholnicek? Yeah. I know I butchered his name. Anyway, he wrote a book called Survivor. and it talks about a mass suicide, and he talks about several mass suicides in the book, but it's very much written in the same vein as Fight Club.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know, he has that real choppy writing style, which is great, because that book really moves along. He also talks about, like, that's a great book about multiple different types of suicide. It talks about Heaven's Gate. Heaven's Gate, yep. Yeah, that mass suicide, but nothing like, like, nothing compares to...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, kill everybody. This guy's not following the Geneva Convention. Like, I can't shoot reporters or medics. Don't you know I'm a congressman?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Um... Well, shoot, I was gonna say something, too, when you were talking. I was thinking, um... Oh, I know what it was. It was the it kind of one of the things you were talking about finances is it reminded me of David Koresh. Oh, Waco, yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, he would have everybody, he would have all the women and everybody go and get on food stamps and get on, you know, like that's a big thing with the cults. One of the things they do is they immediately have everybody sign up for, you know, they call it bleeding the beast. They call it like bleeding the beast where you sign up for all the subsidies and all that you get as much as you can.

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Of course, they all live there. And he, of course, you know, he's got air conditioning. He's eating well. They're all like a king.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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All right, that's depressing. So, all right, so, But true though, right? You really brought the dinner of the show down.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right.

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It was excessive.

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So he counts out four grand?

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See?

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This isn't true, though. It's all bullshit. Sorry.

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Right. Or are you thinking he was a cop at this point? No, no, not at all.

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You came in here by yourself.

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Oh, did he?

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Was he on, um, uh, Was he in witness protection at the time?

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Yeah, it's not worth unpacking. I know, seriously. You know what I mean? You're still shitting McDonald's by the time you get out.

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What do you mean to see $10,000 from a bank?

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Oh, okay. It's ones and fives.

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Yeah, that's why it's always whenever you see these guys with the duffel bags, you know, and they say, like, it's a million dollars, and it's a duffel bag this fucking big.

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Yeah.

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I was going to say, we had six or seven.

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Yeah, we had six or seven. 110 stacks will stack out. 100,000 and probably a shoebox. Yes. But it was all hundreds, so.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Um, but, uh, it's always, you ever see, you've never, you ever watch a movie and they have like two duffel bags.

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Right.

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Um, so how long do you get more houses? Um,

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Don't live there.

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Why did he do it?

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So what happened with those other operations? They worked out?

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Perfect.

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Do you get pulled over?

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No, I had a wire worn on me.

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For like 10 minutes. It took me about 10, 15 minutes to realize.

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If I had walked in the room thinking it, I would have caught on right away.

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Right. That's how I feel.

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His mom didn't name him Pick.

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Right.

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Kind of like mailbags, big mailbags.

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So just to be clear, you're thinking I want to have an amount that says I'm a user and not a dealer, right?

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Kind of makes me think of big mailbags.

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No, I know. Some people call it doing, doing their job. Go ahead. Yeah.

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You know how you were selling dope, but well, I looked like a guy.

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He used to say he must be dead already too.

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So looking back on it... He probably told somebody in jail that was getting out, maybe, to, hey, call this number, tell this guy.

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It was all the dope that led up to this.

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Right, trying to tell you, like, prepare yourself.

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Okay.

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And you clearly have it. You clearly have it.

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I've got a search warrant, and you've got it on you.

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He's like, well, you already got dough boy.

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Yeah, so he was hoping for a lot more than this. He was hoping for— 20 packs.

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Yeah. You can't pull them over, search the car, say, oh, I got you a different one back to your house.

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So he knows where it is. So he doesn't realize he knows where it is, but he knows where it is. He was fishing. Yeah.

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I hate to interrupt the podcast, but I need your help. Have you been or do you know anyone that has been arrested in Polk County? If you have, please contact me. We are desperately looking for guests that have been arrested in Polk County by Grady Judd. The last video we did actually got a million views. If you've been arrested, please go in the description box. Either contact me directly.

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My email's there. Or you can fill out the form that we've got. There's a link to the form. My email address is there. You fill out the form or email me. We will contact you. And we're going to try and get you on the program.

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What if you just drag it out until they pass the fucking laws?

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I mean, not that you didn't break the law when it was still illegal.

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But I think that a judge would be like, fuck.

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And that was me. I caught me with a dozen passports.

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Thank you. Or what is it released on your own? Is that what they give you?

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ROR, sorry.

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What is that?

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I would be shocked if they didn't have a warrant. They had to have a warrant.

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You put them face up.

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I mean, no, I didn't.

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I was hoping to fly under the radar for the rest of my whole life. Oh, boy.

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Right.

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So it looks like something else that's illegal.

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Oh, okay.

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So you're not thinking the cops, you're thinking...

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Who did? Schooley. Schooley.

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Schau dir die großen Gold-Rim-Glasen an, also der Name.

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Er ist ziemlich straightforward. Er schlägt für den Teller, braucht Geld und dann geht er weg. Und so... starteten sich ein paar verrückte Dinge.

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So I have a question. Cause when I was incarcerated and, I started writing guys true crime stories, right? Because, you know, I had a chunk of time. I did 13 years. And, you know, after about three years, so many people, there had been several programs on me and people were like, you should write a story. You should write your memoir.

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So, you know, to do that from prison without the internet is very difficult. I had to start ordering Freedom of Information Act. I had to start getting documents in. I had to figure out how the Freedom of Information Act worked.

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And so I started researching my my story, you know, timelines, you know, the specific dates, the names of the agents, like the whole thing. And that took a while. But the great thing was within that year to year and a half, I really figured out how to do it. And then I started writing other guys stories. So what I'm wondering is, but the problem is that his story takes place like in the 70s.

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Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Do you. So I'm lucky because I don't know if in the 60s and 70s, if they had 302 forms. But, you know, the FBI 302 and the DEA sixes and, you know, they're basically those are the forms for people that are listening. Those are the forms that are listed in a in someone's case that has interviews, witnesses that they lay out every aspect and they put them in a binder.

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And that way in the binder, they can see day by day what's going on. Well, what's great is that I can order those, and I was able to figure out what they have, when they found things out. It gives you a 360-degree view of a case. But in Abagnale's day, they didn't have that.

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Basically, Javier came across my radar and I thought it'd be great since there are so many people that compare my story to like a modern day version of Catch Me If You Can. However... The Catch Me If You Can story really isn't real. Like it's parts of it. So we're going to get into that. We're going to talk about it. Hey, Matthew. Thank you for having me. No problem. Yeah. Thanks for coming.

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So, I mean, essentially what you're saying is that the book that I read over and over again- in prison isn't really factual.

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But it's a memoir. It's all in first person.

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What's funny when I was reading the book, I remember thinking, cause they, they kind of, it's kind of, you know, obviously it's a, it's kind of done in a very whimsical way when he plays the doctor. But I was thinking in the book, they actually have like a medical emergency. Like there's a blue baby, right? And he doesn't know what that means.

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That this is a baby that has stopped breathing and he doesn't know what to do. And he kind of laughs it off in the book. And I remember thinking, even in the book, you got, they're kind of joking about it. And I thought if that happened today, and you weren't a real physician, and that happened, and they found out, you'd be in prison. You'd definitely need some time for that.

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So listen, before we spoke, I don't know. And a lot of times people get booked through my booking agent and we're talking. And then halfway through the conversation, they suddenly... I'll say something and they'll go, well, you know, maybe I'll say something about my past. And then suddenly they'll go, well, what?

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So, all right, they're, they're apparent in the book, in the book and the movie. I always liked the book because the book went more into how he arranged the stewardesses. And he actually sets up a great scam that you understand why he uses the stewardesses. In the book, you understand like, oh, he's going to take them. He's going to hire photographers, do a photo op.

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They really believe that they're on a photo shoot for – Who is it? TWA? Who does he?

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One of the airlines. One of those airlines. They really believe that he does a recruiting thing. He takes them to Europe. They do photo ops all over Europe. But while he's doing that, he's writing bad checks and getting them to cash the checks for him and then give him part of the money back. as for expenses and whatever. And of course, these are young college girls in the 1970s.

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They have no clue whether this makes sense or in the 60s or whenever it was, I forget. But they have no clue if this is normal business practices. So they're just thrilled. OK, so they get a check for eleven hundred dollars and they have to write back four hundred dollars. And this is happening with a dozen girls. So he ends up flying over there, flying back.

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And he he's made thirty thousand dollars or forty thousand. I love that part of it. Can I tell you the real story? Yeah, tell me the real story about the stewardess.

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And they'll, and so I don't know if you know this or not, because a lot of times people don't even look into who I am at all, which is great, which is fine. Um, But I don't know if you know this, but I was on the run. Did you know this?

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Where he got that inspiration, right? Right. Well, plus one of the true stories also was that he was really going to universities. Oh, well, that's true too. As someone who worked for whatever it was, TWA or whoever, I forget.

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I mean, that's another objective.

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That you know about. It's not like every time you go for a job, you get a job. Who knows?

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For one thing, he's not a pilot. So that already makes sense.

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That's funny. Well, you know, what happens is I get compared to that all the time. And when I was locked up, I even read the book several times because I was writing a memoir. And I, you know, as I read the book, of course I realized, okay, well the books, it's not vastly different. It's actually a pretty good adaptation of the book.

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Right. I remember in the book, he accidentally cashed a check That he'd written his name and address on the back of. And then, which I was like, just when I heard what I was reading, I was like, that's the dumbest thing. Like, how would you not have checked? How would you not have known? But then, of course, then he calls back the next day. He realizes what he did. He calls the bank.

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He goes there. He retrieves the check. And, you know, sorry.

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Yeah, well, I mean, look, the idea that you're the idea that he took this, you know, this bogus, you know, con man fraud scheme and turned it into an entire speaking career and career in general. That's impressive.

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Right. The, I was gonna say the thing I, from listening to one of your podcasts was that apparently he had a brother that was a very similar, stole people's identities. Which, of course, I didn't... Well, in the book, they do mention that he has a brother, but in the movie, they don't. He's like an only child, it seems like.

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But just as he was, as I was, you know, read the book, had seen the movie, read his second book, which was, I think the, is it Art of the Steel? Yeah. Read that book. And then when I got out, I saw there was, there were other, there were interviews with him and there were, There was a speech that he had given. And as I was watching the speech, I was like, you know, none of this was in the book.

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Right. I was going to say, I was talking to a friend of mine who's, you know, that used to do credit card fraud. I actually wrote a book about him called Bent. And so we were talking, I was talking about this story. This was like a week ago when we first tried to, when we first reached out to you and I'm talking to him and I was like, Oh my gosh, you know, this is so interesting.

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Like I've heard bits and pieces of, um, of this story about the book coming out for, I've heard that bits and pieces of it for the last year or so. Um, and I said, so I said, I'm, I'm excited about talking to this guy. And he, and so we were talking and he was like, well, how did he, I don't understand, um, you know, how did he, this many years later, how did they piece all this together?

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I said, well, here's what's messed up. I said, is that from my understanding is that Abagnale, just like you've already kind of already said that, you know, the problem with his story is that there are so many arrests. There are slight documents out there and that his story is at odds with everything that's out there. So I was like, it's not like, and I'll give you an example.

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In my particular case, I have a – there was a – I got the Freedom of Information Act, obviously, and I knew things that happened. So you start piecing it together. Like I don't know the exact date. I remember it was a couple days or a few days after I left. Right. I remember – which, by the way, you have to admit, like the Freedom of Information Act, it's gold. Right. It is.

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For instance, when I actually left at one point, Houston, and drove back to Charlotte, North Carolina, and on the way, because I was just in such a state of just everything had gone wrong. I'd been caught a week or so earlier in a bank. There were articles coming out constantly. I was like, listen, you're in a bad spot.

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I called home, and I talked to a few people, and a broker I used to talk to said, listen, you need to call the FBI. You need to think about turning yourself in. So I called the FBI agent, spoke with her several times on the phone while I was driving, and then eventually that conversation just went wrong. The FBI doesn't have the

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the ability to negotiate for the U S attorney's office, you know, they can't make promises. And so I was getting these vague, you know, promises and, and very, very vague this, they, and then I got to a point where I realized she was just lying. And eventually those conversations ended. I chucked the phone, but yeah,

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After that, when I got back to Charlotte, I actually almost got caught in a Starbucks. The US Marshals had gone to my old address, interviewed people at the apartment complex, and I had picked up a car that I'd left, and then I went to get a Starbucks coffee. Caddy Corner to where the really just right around the corner from the apartment complex before I left.

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Like there were just these constant contradictions to the book. And I thought, OK, well, you can't cover everything in the book. And I get that. And and I think there's stuff I just completely left out of my book because, well, it didn't help the overall.

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While I was there, I was recognized by one of the apartment complex employees who had just been interviewed by the U.S. Marshals. They run back, get the marshals and on their way back. By this point, I've already gotten to my car. And I'm about to drive off and the marshals are actually running towards the back of my car as I take off.

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And one of the other Starbucks employee actually yells, he's right here, he's right here. And that's the only reason I even knew they were there. I take off. Sounds very dramatic. You know, but the truth is, you know, I'd already checked. I'm basically driving out into traffic already. I'm right, you know, and I just happened to look in the mirror and see the guys. This guy's yelling there.

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He's right here. And I take off. When I got the Freedom of Information Act, though, that document, all it says is that they interviewed the post department employees and that they put a bolo out on my tag number.

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they never mentioned that they saw me at the Starbucks. Like I never got a report. I know what happened. I was there. So I was talking to my buddy. And I was like, so what's interesting? I'm like, so I could see Abagnale saying, well, wait a minute. This is what led up to that. And this is the report. I said, because not all my reports have the entire situation.

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Now, there are some that are extremely interesting. That are extremely detailed, like phone calls with the FBI agent, the FBI agents going and talking to various people. You know, some of those are pages and pages long and things like the the the U.S. Marshals going to they actually went to Louisiana and were looking for me in Louisiana.

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You know, there's all these things that were that 360, you know, all the other things that are happening, which make the book that much better. And I couldn't have told you had I not gotten that report. Yeah.

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overarching you know the story yeah it has to fit the storyline you know right so it's like why would i go off and be here but his stuff i was like well some of the stuff he's talking about i was like that's a whole nother book why wouldn't you have mentioned that and and so yeah so anyway um

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The problem is, is that Abagnale, like there's, there's nothing backing up his version of the story. Like there's just no real documents. And he's saying things that are completely wrong. contradictory to the documents that are out there. Like, hey, I was here at this time. No, you were in prison at this time.

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The problem is, is that Abagnale, like there's, there's nothing backing up his version of the story. Like there's just no real documents. And he's saying things that are completely contradictory to the documents that are out there. Like, Hey, I was here at this time. No, you were in prison at this time.

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So I think part of that, I feel like this is just me, but, you know, so one of my co-defendants is a girl by the name of Rebecca Houck. And she went on the run with me. Like there were articles that called us, you know, the Bonnie and Clyde of bank fraud. So she, you know, when I got out, she spoke. When we spoke, we were speaking to each other. We were texting each other. through Instagram.

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I forget what they call that. But anyway, we were texting. So we were going back and forth, just having a conversation. How are you doing? She'd gotten remarried. She had a baby or a little boy. It was just how her life had turned around. I was like, oh, that's great. We're talking. Well, while we're talking, I said, hey, you know what would be great is if you came on the podcast.

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Back to what I was really saying was that basically I was a mortgage broker in the late 90s, early 2000, and I had committed some fraud. I had changed some W-2s and pay stubs. And I got indicted. That's the short version. Got indicted. I got three years probation. So I couldn't run my mortgage company anymore. I sold it. And I had about 10 or 12 guys working for me.

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And she said, and say what? I said, because her story the whole time was that I was a Don Juan. I convinced her to fall in love with me. that I had asked her to help commit fraud and she didn't really realize what she was doing. And that basically then I left her and she took the blame for, or she was sentenced and never should have gone to jail or really, you know, that it was all my fault.

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That she was just a girl that was in love and really didn't know what was going on. And I said, Well, you could come on a podcast and we could talk about like what really happened. And she said, are you are you out of your mind? She said, I've been telling my version of our story since I got arrested. She said, do you think I'm now going to tell my mother and father and my husband the truth?

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She said, that's never going to happen. So, yeah, I know you're thinking it's a great story. I do, too. But this guy's got a wife and kids. And so I can see that.

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And look, you meet a lot of con men in prison, right? Like, obviously. And some are better than others. Some are just low-time fraudsters that got caught for doing two or three stupid things. And then there are other guys that went 10 years and made millions of dollars and are just extremely sophisticated. And so we would, you know, a lot of us would sit around and talk.

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And I'll tell you one thing. As their release date got closer and closer, I was the only person out of a group of, let's say, 12 guys that I knew throughout the entire that were that I was really, really genuinely impressed by because they weren't low level guys that they could have been drug dealers. They could have been car thieves.

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Like they just happened about some checks or make some fake do some fake tax scam thing. You know, the tax scam things like these. I'm not talking about those. I'm talking about the guys that ran like a Ponzi scheme for 40 million dollars and those guys. And these guys would be in their 30s or 40s, and almost every one of them work thinking, how do I get rid of stuff on the internet?

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How do I hire, um, I think firms to bury it. Yeah. Um, reputation.com or how do I, how, how could Matt, you've legally changed someone's name. How did you go about doing that? Because I legally one time, this is horrible. Don't judge me. Okay. Um, so like one time I, I stole the guy's identity and I went and legally had his name changed.

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and then got a credit card for a child in the new name so that I was able to get a driver's license and an ID from the DMV in the new name. So that was basically completely different. But I was able to use a lot of his real, I was able to couple his information with new documents that I'd created.

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So then I instead of, you know, instead of saying, hey, I'm going to go sell used cars and just start my life over. Instead, what I did was I went and while on federal probation, started a larger scam and I started creating synthetic identities. I'm sure you know what that is.

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Right. Only I did it all with his birth certificate. Right. So anyway, you know, so I legally changed it. So I would have guys like, what's that process? How much did it cost? Who'd you go to? You know, it's $1,500 to an attorney. You know, so, you know, you need a good story.

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You need somebody that says they've known you for more than three years, which the person that actually signed the document that got a notarized document saying I've known this person for more than three years had known me for about a month. It's not hard to you meet somebody. They think you're friends. Yeah, I'll sign that.

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Um, but all of these guys were actively trying to figure out how to bury their past. And they were always like, what are you going to do? I was like, I'm going to lean into it. I said, I'm not going to hide the rest of my life. I hid for three years. I'm done. Said when somebody asks me, I'm never, there's never going to be an opportunity when it presents itself to

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where I, at this point, I should probably say I was incarcerated for this, but I'm not gonna say, oh yeah, I was working here, I was doing that, I was out of the country. I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna do it. And I mean, I literally got to the point where people would where I would say, hey, you know, my name is Matt Cox, you know, and I'm a con man.

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You know, I was indicted for this, a bunch of bank fraud related frauds. And I'm 100 percent guilty of every one of them, because I always say, look, there's two kinds of people in the world now for me. There are those people that are that understand what I once did. And they're accepting of it and they understand the person I am now. And there are those people that can go fuck themselves.

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Because the truth is, you know, the truth is, is that, you know, that those are the only people that need to be in my life. I don't need anybody in my life that's disturbed, that hates me or dislikes me or, you know, and why not be open and honest about it? Like it would be like just like you said, it'd be a great story if he came and said, look, I was born into this family.

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Here's who my father was. He was kind of a derelict. He raised two sons that both became con men and kind of write the story about these two con men brothers, even though they didn't necessarily work together. You said they had like a love-hate relationship, right? Yeah. But it's interesting. You have two con men brothers who, You know, and one of them- And a con man father. Yeah. Right.

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So I ended up getting social security to, I figured out how to get social security to issue me social security numbers to children that don't exist. I made a fake birth certificate.

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That's an interesting story.

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Right. I was going to say, I actually, uh, Within the last month, I've met with the Hillsborough, about 40, I don't know if it's maybe 30, between 30 and 40, it's probably close to 40, about 40 financial crime detectives with the Hillsborough County Sheriff's Department. I've gone there twice and given speeches that were about an hour. I've met with banking associations.

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I'm supposed to talk at the International... It's like the International Association. It's got a long name. International Association of Economic Crime something. There's over a thousand people that are going to there. I do cyber. I do cyber conventions. So, I mean, I'm working on doing that. The problem with that is like I haven't got a booking agent. I need to get a booking agent.

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That's difficult. Right.

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I can answer those questions. Cause these, these, these detectives, like they ask, like, how did you do this? Yeah. How did you get this? How did you, and I actually can, I can answer it because I did order the security paper. I did, you know, like I, for instance, getting a seal, getting a seal for a birth certificate. So, you know, they have the raised seal, right?

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It was easier just to convince them to issue me one.

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Like you can't go to anybody and order a state or a county sale. It's a government seal. So you can't say, hey, I want a seal that says the state of Florida or no, I'm sorry, the Department of Vital Statistics, Hillsborough County. I had to call five or six places. None of them would do it. They said, that's a state seal. We can't do it.

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I took some phone calls.

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So I eventually had to I changed it to Office of Virtual Records. And then I put Florida Corporation or something. I then wore the seal down by taking two grit sandpaper and just crunching it over and you're sealing it over and over to wear the wax seal down. Then when I when I did it, you could see bits and pieces of it, but you couldn't really read it, but you could feel that it was raised.

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And that's how I use that. So when I explain that to them, they were all like, oh, I was like, nobody, nobody ever questioned it. Like I explained going to DMV and getting them to give me. a driver's license and how I ordered a passport and the difficulty of this and how many times I was stopped and what for and how it was a learning process.

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Yeah. I mean, this is very much a short version. So I then created synthetic identities, you know, and I, I, a lot of them, not all of them, but a lot of them had names with like, um, James red, Michael white, um, Lee black, Brandon green, you know, so green, black, white, silver. So, uh, reservoir dogs was, yeah, I was, I was thinking that too.

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Abagnale can't explain that because he didn't go through that process.

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It's pretty brilliant.

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Or maybe he heard it from somebody in prison.

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Well, he did have a pilot's uniform. He did walk around. He did play that up. He said he actually did get some free flights, some...

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Who said that the truth, you know... Why let the truth ruin a good story?

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They sing all their new – yeah, some new album.

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Yeah. So what, so when are, when are you, well, first, how is the, how did the podcast do that? You've been, how long has it been going on?

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So I started buying houses and recording the value of those houses at like four and five times the value, if that makes sense. And I drove the area up through the roof, then borrowed against the houses on this fake equity because I'd created so many comparables. Ended up borrowing like $11.5 million in about 18 months. Then the FBI shows up. I go on the run for three years.

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Well, so, you know, I, I mean like, because I, I've written, I've written about, over 20 true crime synopses. So they're like 12,000, between let's say eight to 15,000 words. And I've written about eight books. I had a lot of time on my hands.

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So what I've noticed from working with different production companies, getting them turned into documentaries, which listen, I've been doing this for a couple of years now. And I just now am having them pitched

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to netflix and hulu and fx and all of those companies uh some of them and some of them i've been working on for over two years and like what now being pitched and some i started working on six months ago and they're being pitched yeah it's like a fishing expedition yeah but one of the big things is i i notice is um you know they they want people to participate like who are we going to be able to interview what assets do we have like abagnale is not going to be interviewed

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Have you tried to get it into... you know, something like Rolling Stone or, you know. Yeah. Anything like that or.

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It was a good movie. You know, because I can kind of like, it's upsetting. It's like you're taking one of my top 10 favorite movies and you're saying- It is upsetting. And I think it upsets people and people don't want to get upset. I want to believe that.

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Right. It's like a nine-year-old, hey, listen, Santa doesn't really exist. He's kind of like, you know, go fuck yourself, man.

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I borrowed another about $2.5 to $3.5 million and And eventually the Secret Service catches me. And listen, I mean, talk about Frank Abagnale. Like I was handcuffed in a bank in the middle of a scam. Wachovia Bank, the head of their security department said, hey, this guy's running a scam. Questioned by detectives, convinced them that the bank had made a mistake and they let me go.

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You know, I wrote a story about, you might remember this, I'm not sure. So in 2008, during the financial crisis, so just January of 2009, there was a guy that had been, his office had been raided. He was a financial advisor. His office had been raided and he was about to be arrested. And he also was a private pilot, right? So he took his plane up and called in a fake distress signal.

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Name is Marcus shrinker and said, you know, I've hit turbulence. My windshield is spider cracking. And then it then suddenly comes back and he says, the windshield is imploded. I'm bleeding. And remember he said, I'm bleeding profusely. And then the course of the tower screaming, get down, get down, you know? And then he goes,

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he goes offline and he ends up the, he ends up jumping out of the, out of the plane and it runs out of fuel and it lands a couple miles short of the, the Gulf of Mexico. His plan was to call in the distress signal, have it go out over the Gulf. But because he opened up the doors, the drag burned off too much gas and it ran out just shy. Um,

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He runs three – of course, when they recover the plane, the wings are ripped off, the tail's ripped off, everything's ripped off, but the windshield's in perfect condition. They know immediately he's – this is all bullshit. He's on the run. They track him down three days later at a KOA campground, and he gets arrested. His name was Marcus Schrenker. So I wrote his story when I was incarcerated.

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And he was trying to tell me that his wife had done everything. He was trying to blame everything on his wife. He was about to get arrested. He was about to leave prison. And so as I said, okay, well, that's a great story because that hasn't been told. Like he was on CNN. He's been on every, if you punch in Marcus Schrenker, he's everywhere. I mean, to this day, it's page after page.

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So, and everybody thought there'd be a book or a movie, but he was impossible to deal with because he's a pathological liar. And you don't really realize that until you start to have to work with him. And so as the Freedom of Information Act came in, I start realizing that everything he's saying is a lie. And so, and then I have to confront him with it.

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And so we're battling back and forth where he's lying and not like, no, but I have this and this. And he'd get mad and he'd leave. And then two days later, he'd say, when are we going to keep working? And it was, So the book is really part of the book. It's that process. It's that process.

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So I was going to say that I wonder if you – I'm just wondering like if there's a pathology with Abagnale that – There were times when I would present... So Schrenker would say, like, I've never been sued. My company's never been sued. I've never been sued. Then I would show him the document showing he had been sued. And he literally would go...

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He would say, well, oh, first it was always like, where'd you get these? I'd tell him. And then he'd say, and I'd say, they say that you were sued. He'd go, oh, I see where you're confused. Of course I was sued. Matt, I owned a large wealth management company. We were sued all the time. It'd be crazy if I wasn't sued. And then I'd go, well, that's great. Then what happened with this one?

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And he would start talking. He would literally – but I wouldn't confront him about the lie that, hey, 30 seconds ago, you were telling me you've never been sued and your company never been sued. Now you're saying, obviously, you were sued. So you could just – you know how they say pathological liars know – or they believe they're lies? Like he doesn't believe. He knows he's lying.

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Schraker would lie about things that literally he would lie about things that it was ridiculous to tell this lie. There's no benefit, and it's easily rebuffed. It's easy for me to find out and very quickly find out that that's a blatant lie. Yet he would do it anyway.

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Went downtown, filled out a police report, the whole thing. I mean, was almost caught by the U.S. Marshals in a Starbucks, was in my car, took off. I mean, there's a bunch of close calls. But regardless, because of all those things, and then, of course, there have been programs on me. I've been on Dateline, did two one-hour specials. I was on American Greed, that sort of thing.

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Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I, I mean, I know, you know, you know, there's a, I know you got to go. This is awesome. I love talking about this. Yeah. Listen, I could talk for another, you know, I could, I want to, by the way, can I have you on my show? Yeah, that would be great. I cannot wait. You know what I was thinking would be hilarious?

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Not that you have the time to do this, but I was like, listen, it'd be great to send you my book. I'll send you my book anyway. Yeah. I don't know if you have the time.

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And, you know, as much as I hate those programs, if you have to really look back, you know, when I watched them, I was so offended. But looking back on it, I was like, eh, they were pretty much, they were pretty correct. Like they're 99% correct.

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You know, but which luckily I luckily I remember getting the Freedom of Information Act like my thank God I did it because the dates in my mind were off. Right. So I was able to read.

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Yeah. You know, I was like, God, I thought that happened like two weeks later and it was six months later. Yeah. But but I have dates and I have all kinds of stuff. And I thought, boy, it'd be great to have this guy fact check me. Oh, that'd be great. Yeah. I'd love to challenge. Yeah. So I have, I can send you, I can, if you send me your, your address, I'll mail you a copy of the book. Yep.

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And yeah, I would love to be on your on the podcast.

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You know, like I jumped right to it. But oh, no.

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Yeah. Oh, yeah. I am. Yeah. There's no there's no, you know, dark community that I could go to and they'd help.

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Yeah. That's a, yeah. And that's, that's one of the things I do stuff for home title lock. And I, I, uh, I consult with people and with security companies and that sort of thing. But I know you have to go, bro. I'll just keep talking. You just have to shut it. You just have to shut me off.

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I've had that happen a lot. Right. Nobody sees himself as who they truly are. Like, you know, the first time you're called a con man, super upset. But now I look at them like, well, what did you expect them to call you? You're a con man.

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Well, I'm in the movie. Yes, I think so.

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Yeah, which is funny because I remember seeing photos of the movie set where they have him at an airport. He's there. Tom Hanks is there. Spielberg is there. He's in the movie.

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Well, anyway, I just remember thinking like like the escape from inside of the aircraft. Like I remember thinking, like, is there a how does he is there a door into where the, you know, the the the landing gear comes down? Like, wouldn't that be airtight? Like, would you have a how did he access that? You know, I'm always trying to think logistically how things happen.

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well and what you're pointing to is details so like if i ask you the day that you were apprehended when it finally came crashing down what was the weather like that day do you remember yeah what was it why i mean it was tell me about it was nashville tennessee it was um it was wasn't it was wasn't overcast it was clear maybe a few clouds in the sky it was do you remember what you were wearing

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I actually do, unfortunately. I mean, I'm hoping that I'm not debunking whatever you're trying to say. Yeah, it was a long-sleeved shirt. No, you're not.

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Back to the beginning. First, let me ask you, have you finished that series, that podcast series?

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Right. Okay. So real quick, just for everybody that's listening. So initially there was a book that was written by who, who is it?

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Hey, this is Matt Cox and I'm here with Javier Leyva. He is currently doing or has done a podcast on the Frank Abagnale story, which is originally taken from the book. Catch me if you can. And there was a movie made. I think everybody knows Frank Abagnale and the movie catch me if you can. And, um,

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You get to hear from him. You have interviews, like it's a heavily pod. It's a heavily, you know, I always call those, you know, heavily produced. I know you do produce it.

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It's a documentary. So what's the name of, where is it?

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Bad cop. Okay, so you're the good cop.

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Yeah, yeah. It's not a good situation.

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No, that's not him.

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They gave him life.

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Did he go to trial? He must have gone to trial, right? He had to have gone to trial. Yeah, he blew trial, I think. Yeah, because...

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What do you do? What's your job after that?

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It's a restaurant. But was it special?

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That's wrong. It's wrong.

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It was pick of the litter.

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I don't know what the fuck that was, but that shit was more than turbulence. That shit was scary.

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So, um, good. So, uh, wait, don't, but you own a gym now.

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When I got locked up. Are you serious? Yeah, man. It was good.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So he got into a fight.

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No. Nobody wants to go back in.

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I was going to show you that. I got a thing. I got a charger right there. It's been there.

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Which is the weapon. They call it aggravated assault. What a deadly weapon. Is that what your record says?

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You're three. Five kilos.

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The Picasso of Thieves: Secrets of an Art Heist Genius

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So how long were you painting and doing this? 35 years. Are you serious? 35 years? I mean, how often were you taking stuff? All the time.

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So three months, you swipe this one piece and then you go to the next job and there's artwork there or no?

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Yeah, that's insane. And are all these, is all this famous artwork or is some people are just collectors?

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Right. Yeah, I was going to say that there's lots of people that are just the rich people that they collected just because it's like, oh, I like that piece. John and Mabel Ringling They collected tons and tons of stuff. Stuff they collected wasn't just collected because they liked this piece.

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They'd have one piece that was worth $100,000 next to another piece that you could find practically in a garage sale. It was worth virtually nothing. In the end, almost everything ends up being worth something. A lot of stuff that they collected, the artists weren't even

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weren't even well known at the time and then after their death the collection became worth hundreds of millions of dollars um so and i just i just always wonder if that's how it how it goes just in general so how how long were you painting you were you painting and so and over the span of this

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these things, like if the opportunity arises and there's something you see and you like, and you think I can, I can work, work this out. You, you, you took advantage of that situation. Correct. And then other times there was just nothing there. Like you weren't interested in anything and I'm not interested. Cause like you said, you're not selling it. You can't, you can't go steal a rim.

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Have you ever heard of the Gardner Museum heist?

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Right. Yeah. They, you know, like those paintings, like I always think to myself, like these guys stole a ton of paintings worth $100 million or $200 million. They can't move. Like you couldn't move those paintings.

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You can't sell those. Right. I always just assume I always think to myself, like they're probably hanging on somebody's, you know, somebody's in someone's garage, sitting in a garage or they're hanging on somebody's wall. They have no idea what's even on on their wall or they think it's a it's it's a replica. They probably don't even realize what they have.

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So did you ever come close to getting caught?

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Your intuition, right? I always say that intuition, you got to listen to your intuition. It's funny, too, because intuition, people shrug it off. But the truth is, every chick I've ever dated... knew I was, or cheated on, knew I was eating before, like nothing's wrong. They just know. And you're like, nah, you're crazy. You're crazy. And I'm thinking, everything's fine. I didn't do anything.

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I came home at the same time. I did everything. How does she intuition? She knew, you know, if some girl you're dating, something's not right. Even if she comes home at the same time, everything's fine. But you know, you're like, nah, what's something, something's up. Can't put your finger on your intuition tells you something's wrong. You got to listen to it.

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So this reality TV show, tell me about that. I don't even know what that is.

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You're saying reality TV show. I mean, it sounds more like a sting.

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So they knew you had taken something. They saw it. They thought they put, they rigged the whole place with cameras. They put it, put it a situation together that they knew you'd be in the mansion by yourself and they just hoped you'd take something. Yeah. Okay. What did you take?

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Right. Because... Maybe they were hoping you would lead them to the paintings.

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How long ago, what year was this?

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So how long were you painting and doing this? 35 years. Are you fucking serious? 35 years? I mean, how often were you taking stuff? All the time. Right.

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I was going to say, yeah, you weren't selling them. So it's not like you, it's not like you look like you needed them. You needed the money. So, and you're, and are you replacing them with duplicates every time?

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So you, but eventually, I mean, eventually you graduated high school, you went on to try and you wanted to help, help your mom. I'm assuming you wanted to make some money, help her out. Like, What was your plan to, what were you planning on doing for a living?

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Um, okay. So this has been going on for a long time. Eventually they catch up with you. Um, how many paintings did you have on me? Well, that they call you.

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Oh, I thought they, they, they didn't do a search, like a go and search your house.

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Well, I would think you would, you said like you wanted to enjoy them. You said you liked them.

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All right. So they grab your stuff. They go to your house. They don't find anything. How do you end up doing the documentary? Did you write a book? Were you approached? How did you end up with the documentary? Okay.

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Yeah. So, okay. How long were you locked up? 18 months. 18 months?

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, how come you didn't write a book? You had 18 months.

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I mean, you know, there's a way to write around that.

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All right. So how long did, how long after you got out, how long did it take to put together the documentary?

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I mean, trust me, I understand that. It's funny because most of the guys that I know that were locked up, that were like con men or fraudsters or scammers, they're in prison trying to figure out how to get out, change their name, how to keep anybody from knowing what they did, how to start their life over. And I was like the only person who was like, I'm telling everybody what I fucking did.

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Fuck them. I would say, listen, there's two kinds of people in the world. There are those people that know the things that I've done and the person I am today and are 100% accepted of it. And there are those people that can go fuck themselves. And that's it. There's only two. So to me, like, you know, I'm not going to be hiding and lying and dodging the rest of my life. Like, I'm not doing that.

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Like, this is what I did. And you're either okay with it or you're not. You don't have to be in my life. If you're not, well, kick rocks. There's lots of people out here. So, yeah. So, I mean, I know exactly what you're saying. Like, I'm not going to, you know, I mean, obviously I would prefer not to go to prison. I could have missed the prison part. I'm okay.

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Wouldn't. Would you get into a fight if somebody... Like if I had to get into a fight, to be honest with you, I would get into a fight if it came down to it. But let's face it, you know, if this guy is six foot fucking two and he's going to beat the fucking hell out of me or something like that, It's probably probably not. I'm probably not signing up for that.

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But luckily, you know, luckily, I did that. That didn't you know, I didn't have to run into that issue. Yeah. Listen, once I'd been locked up a few years, like I got into a routine and I was OK and people knew who I was. And, you know, I didn't I never had any problems or anything. I think maybe two times I had an issue with a couple with a couple of guys.

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And it was just because I got a slick mouth. I mouth off to somebody, and I realize right away that either I'm going to say nothing and hold everything in until I leave here, or I'm going to mouth off every once in a while, and I'm going to get punched. Somebody's going to smack me. These are big guys. These are not nice guys, and I'm not a big guy. I'm like five foot six. What? Yeah, I'm tiny.

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What?

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Well, when you say a painter, you mean what type of a painter? Just a regular... You were painting buildings? Yeah. Commercial, residential?

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There's a lot of guys in there with mental health problems. Oh, who do you tell them? I mean, I didn't know there were so many, you know. I remember one time this guy came up to me and said, listen. He said, can I talk to you for a second? I was like, yeah, what's up? And he goes... Listen, man, he said, I'm taking anger management.

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And and so and my first thought was, man, and no conversation has ever been a good conversation that started with I'm taking anger management. Like I thought this conversation is about to go bad. And I was like, OK. And I thought, what's happening? What's and he goes, you've been slamming your door every time you leave the cell. And, you know, those doors are heavy.

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So, you know, you go to close them. Like, I'm just kind of pushing it. I walk out and I kind of close and I know it'll close. But of course, I'm 15 feet away by the time it goes, bam. And he lives in the cell next to me. Now, I didn't know this because I barely paid attention to anything that was going on. I didn't know really anybody in the unit. I went to my cell.

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I read all the first few years. I was in the medium security. And I looked at him and he goes, man, you slam the door every time you leave the cell. And I looked at him and I go, are you in this unit? And he goes, man, I'm your next door neighbor. I'm in the cell next to you. And I went, did you just get here? He goes, I've been here six months. He goes, I've been here as long as you.

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And I went, I'm sorry, bro. I don't even pay attention. Okay, so go ahead. He's like, you know, I'm trying to work on my anger. And I'm supposed to talk to you before I do something. And I thought, well, thank God for anger management. You know, I was like, I said, well, listen, I'm going to make it. I'm going to make a valid effort to try and correct that. And I will close the door.

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You know, he's like, I feel like you're doing it on purpose. I'm like, bro, I don't even know who you are, man. Like I hear you, but I don't even know. I didn't even know you were my, my, my neighbor, but I'm going to make an effort. Listen, I must, I kept slamming that door. Like I would walk away just by accident. And finally my celly came to me and said, this dude's going to kill you.

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Do you understand? And I was like, And I was like, fuck, I keep fucking – I can't believe – it's a hard habit to break. So yeah. But I did stop slamming the door, which was stupid. Luckily, I didn't have to get – I'm sure if I got my ass beat, I'd have probably figured it out real quick. I'd have probably never slammed that door again. But yeah, there's some real mental cases in there.

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And then I taught – listen, the GED, I taught the SLD. GED. So I got the guys that can't even pass the GED. There's like the slow learning disabled guys that are like, you know, you're trying to teach them like basic math and like they can't count change. And it's like, oh, wow, like this is bad. Like I'm like, look, you need to know how to count money.

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And they're like, you know, my bitch count that money. I'm like, yeah, I know. I get it. You're going to go back. But when you go back out, I'm going to sell drugs again. I'm like, what if she doesn't count it right? Like, what if she counts it wrong? And he's like, I put that pipe on and she count that shit right. And I was like, that's probably true.

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But, you know, like, listen, that was not an environment I was really prepared for. So.

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You seem like such a nice guy. Listen, the guy I hung out with the most in prison is in prison for murdering two FBI whatever, CIs. Nicest guy. Nicest guy.

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Like, you know, if you borrow something, you want to pay him back. He says, can you get me a six-pack? Of course I can get you a six-pack. I'm embarrassed that you had to ask. I don't know why I don't already have the six-pack.

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What do you do now? You don't want to know. Do you want to know? Do you still paint? What?

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Listen, I mean, this documentary might not be good for your career. No.

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How long is the documentary? Approximately an hour.

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Where are you living now?

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Okay, there's not a lot you can answer. Hey, so where is the documentary going to be? Where is it being shown?

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Are you doing any more interviews?

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So I, okay. I'm keep going back to, were you an art? Like, how are you replaced? How are you duplicating these paintings?

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Yeah. Yeah.

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Right.

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He's walking by it. It's 15 feet away. He glances over. He keeps walking. He's not scrutinizing the painting.

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I was going to say, what is Kinko's now? It's now what? UPS? Or FedEx? I think it is.

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Yeah.

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And that was how long? After how long? 18 months? 18 months.

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Jesus. Yeah, and you said you never went to a prison. You did this in the county jail, right?

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Yeah, county jails are the worst. The whole time I was locked up in the U.S. Marshal's holdover, because I was in a federal prison, but you're still being held in a county jail. You're in the U.S. Marshal's holdover. Well, it's a county jail. But the whole time you're there, I remember all the guys kept saying, man, I can't wait to get sentenced and go to prison. I can't wait to go to prison.

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I was like... is prison better than that? And they were like, Oh, prison's way better than this.

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And it's just true. Like, as soon as I went to prison, I was like, Oh wow, this is like, you could go work, work out, you can get a job, you can take classes, you can move around like the, everything's nicer. You could actually like start like a little life, not a great life, but at least have a, like a life, you know? People aren't coming and going.

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You can hang out with people, have regular friends, watch movies, get ice cream at the commissary. You could do some stuff. Yeah, couldn't do that. That wouldn't happen.

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I'd rather do two years in the federal prison than one year in the county.

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I had a cellie that said, that asked, said he wanted to talk to the U.S. attorney. He said, you know what? I'm going to talk to the U.S. attorney. They brought him to the U.S. attorneys, said, listen, I'm starving. Can you all get me something? And they were like, yeah, yeah, yeah. So they said, what do you want? He wants like two McDonald's hamburgers and some fries.

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They were like, yeah, no problem. So they go and they get it and they come. He sits down and he eats the fries and everything and eats the hamburgers and sits there for a minute. And he goes... I just don't feel right about this. I need to go. Can I go back to the prison? They were like, oh, no, no. Or go back to jail. I said, listen, you're never coming back here again. You understand?

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If you think you're fucking around, he's like, yeah, I know. I was never coming back to begin with. And I can't stand the food. Then I know it's a fucked up thing. And they're like, OK, that you're playing. He said in the end, he said that cost me like six extra months. Those two hamburgers cost him like six more months. He wouldn't give a deal. They wouldn't do anything.

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I mean, you know, he thought people think they're cute. They don't think it's cute.

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I'm cooked.

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Is there like an official website or a link you want to give me to put in the description?

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I don't know. It's a sensational crime. They love sensational. They love sensational. They love unique. Like, you know, if it's like, Hey, Hey, he's a crack dealer. Okay. Well, there's thousands of them. Like, that's not, that's nothing special about that. But to be an art thief, that's extremely unique. You know, like who does that? That's insane.

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Like you didn't meet, I guarantee you the whole time you were locked up, you didn't meet anybody else with your charge. There was another Picasso in there. Yeah, there wasn't another guy stealing artwork. They might have called him Picasso. No, there was nobody like that.

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Well, you got a document. I don't have a documentary. I mean, um, so somebody thinks it's a big deal.

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Right.

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You said you had not seen the trailer. Is there a trailer? No, not that I'm aware of. Okay. Okay.

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I was going to say it'd be nice if there was a trailer we could throw it in here.

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Or they'll ask the director or they'll ask your editor or your director to, hey, can you guys do a 30-second trailer?

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What do you mean it's supposed to be? Haven't you seen it? No.

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But you weren't an artist yourself. You didn't do art. You just had a passion for it.

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Yeah. So, you haven't seen the film? No. I mean, are you, have you seen pieces?

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You were in front of the camera. Yeah. But you don't know what they... Tons of stuff doesn't make the cut.

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There's a lot worse than that. A lot worse than that.

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Who are you talking to? Bro, like I was, listen, I was on the run for three years. For four or five years before that, I was running scams. I was making fake people, stealing identities. You know, I mean, I've been caught in the bank by police, handcuffed, talked out my way out of it, convinced them I hadn't done anything wrong. They had the wrong person. They let me go. chased by the US Marshals.

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Trust me, I've done all kinds of stuff. It's insane. I know what you're saying. That's why I'm like, this is what I did. It's what it is. You get to a point where it's like denying it. There's no point in it, so you might as well lean into it. I know what you're saying. I'm not going to deny it, so I might as well just...

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tell you everything i might as well just this is what happened like don't hold back there's no reason to hold back at this point there's too many articles about me there's too much stuff out there so you can't hide from it so you might as well lean into it so i i thought everything you're saying makes sense to me dude and the thing is you know i don't see this as redemption but

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what happened? Like what, what was the first time that you, you know, well, I guess what was the one, what was the first time you actually took something and what was the plan? Were you thinking, eh, these people have a lot of stuff. They're not going to miss this one thing. Or were you thinking I can sell this or, or,

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So are they going to go to the premiere too?

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What's the statute of limitations on art theft?

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They can't charge you with them. Oh, yeah, because of the catch-22 or whatever. They're not going to say they're yours. Oh, no. You're taking them back. We're just not going to charge you with them. I ain't giving them back. So, yeah, the only thing that doesn't have a statute of limitations is murder and espionage. Ooh. Yeah. Everything else has one.

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It may be 20 years, but there's a statute of limitations to pretty much everything. Yeah.

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All right. Hey, you know what? Have you ever seen the movie The Good Thief?

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No, no, it's got Nick Nolte is in it.

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Bro, if you can watch it, like if you can find it and watch it, you should watch it. It's good. It's about a con man and he has a Picasso. He won it from Picasso, but it's not a real Picasso. He's got everybody believing it's a real Picasso. He borrows like a million dollars on the painting. He's had it sitting in his house for like 20 years. Everybody's heard the story.

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And then so when he finally needs some money, he borrows against the Picasso. And it turns out, and of course, it's not. It's a fake. And it's a whole scam. The whole movie is just this one scam after another. It's a great movie.

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um that's that's a life change oh william defoe william defoe is in it he's an artist that gets locked in an apartment william defoe was great and uh to live and die in la when he was uh he's a a counterfeiter that's a good movie are you kidding me to live and die in la it's one of there's a great movie um he's a counterfeiter you'd like that one he's an artist

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I am in shock that you haven't seen this thing. Look, I definitely want to talk, like, right after this.

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They can't make me look bad, really. No, it's not that. It's that I think you're always shocked at what they cut. Typically, you see these things, you're like, I can't believe they didn't say this, or they said that, or they took this, and it's out of context. I didn't mean it that way.

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But I think you sound like you're a lot like me, where it's like, I feel like I'm okay with what, as long as it's true, I'm okay with it. If it makes me look bad, I'm okay with it. As long as it's what I did. Like, you know, don't say that I, you know, I did this when I didn't, when what I actually did was bad enough, you know, say what I did. I'll own up to what I did.

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But I'm not going to start, I'm not going to, don't make it look like I did this over here because I didn't. So I think you're the same way. I just, you know, it's, I also think that we don't always see ourselves the way we truly are.

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So sometimes you'll see stuff and you're like, wow, is that really how people see me? Like, like, but you have to be okay with that. You know, because like I would say, listen, like, you know, if if 20 people say you're an asshole, you're probably an asshole. You may not see it, but they're not all wrong. There's 20 people will say that you're an asshole. So but I'm OK with that.

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And you seem like you're the same way. So, yeah.

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My son doesn't talk to me either. You know, he's like 20, 20, 23 years old. He doesn't talk to me. He doesn't talk to me because obviously I, when he was three, I went on the run. I get picked up three, four years later. All he knows about me is my dad's a bad person. So by the time he could have come to see me, by that point, he's seven, eight years old. He's formed an opinion. I'm a bad person.

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He didn't want anything to do with me. My ex-wife didn't help me out any. And by the time she realizes, okay, he's getting out soon, the kid's like 18, 19 years old. And she's saying, hey, you should go see your father in prison. You should build a relationship. And he's like, fuck that, dude. I'm done with that guy. I'm not fucking with him. He's a piece of shit.

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you know, and the problem is he's got a powerful argument. It's not like I can say, no, no, you're wrong. No, no, you, you hit it on the head. You know, but, So, you know, and I've done the same thing. I've reached out to him. I text him, you know, we go back and forth a little bit. It's, he says horrible, mean, angry things to me, you know, so I'm the same thing. And I feel like the same way.

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Like, it's like, I've done everything I should, I can think to do, but it's always on my mind. If that makes sense. Like it never goes away. Yeah.

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I'm always in shock at guys that I know that have just been brutal, horrible to their children. Their children show up to prison. They're there every visit. They love them. It's like, wow, you were brutal to your kid. You were horrible to him. You were horrible to his mother. They show up. They... I'm shocked about that, too. Yeah.

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Because I always feel like, you know, like, when I was there, I was good. I just disappeared. This is a horrible conversation. Let's end this.

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It's a problem you should be able to handle at that point.

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Hey, I appreciate you guys watching the video. Do me a favor and hit the subscribe button. Hit the bell so you get notified of videos just like this. Also, I'm going to leave all of Picasso's social media links are going to be in the description. I'm going to try and figure out if we can get some kind of a link to the official movie, either the trailer or to the website for or some type of a link.

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And I appreciate you guys watching. I also, when I was locked up, I wrote a whole bunch of true crime books. So check out the trailers and all right. See you.

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Hey, this is Matt Cox. I am going to be interviewing Picasso. He is an art thief that was tremendously successful, and he did it in a really interesting, unique way. And I'm actually going to be going to the premiere of a movie or a documentary about him. And so let's go ahead and check out the interview. Let's start at the beginning. Where were you born?

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I couldn't tell you that. Okay. It's funny because I know that Picasso was... I don't know if you know this. I have a degree in fine arts.

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From the University of South Florida, which... So I'm actually an artist. So I don't know.

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So I do that. I do YouTube. I wrote a bunch of books when I was in prison, a bunch of true crime books. I wrote a memoir about myself. And then I got out and, you know, I like true crime. So I started also, I started doing a podcast when I got out. I didn't think I was actually, you know, I didn't really know how to do any of this, but I just kind of figured it out.

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You know, had some people help me and now it's starting to come together. But in the meantime, I did artwork and people buy my artwork. And so, yeah, so that's why I was saying like, it's like, so I know. So when, you know, you say Picasso, like Picasso was one of the few artists artist that was famous during his lifetime. You know what I mean?

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Like most artists, they scraped by, you know, and then they, you know, they passed away and then their, their artwork became worth something later in life. Like there wasn't a lot of artists, you know, Edward Munch was never like, he sold like one painting his whole life. Like, you know, now he's huge. Now, you know, they're, they're huge paintings and, but Picasso was famous in his lifetime.

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And one of the things I know that he did is I know that there are hundreds of little drawings he did. Like he would be at a restaurant, someone would recognize him. And they say, oh, can I get your, these are the stories I heard. I'm sure you probably know more than I do.

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But one of the things we always heard was the stories were that like he'd be at a restaurant and someone would come up to him and say, Can I get your your autograph? And he'd go, yeah, yeah, just let me finish and I'll give you an autograph. They go, OK. And then he'd finish up his meal and he would doodle something on a napkin or a piece of paper and sign his name and give it to him.

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You know, so they get this little thing that was no baby's just cute. But now they're selling for thirty five and forty five and fifty and one hundred thousand dollars for for little doodles. And people have them.

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So that's why when, you know, I heard that, you know, your story and I heard that you, you know, because I watched part of it where they, you know, I guess at some point you kind of looked around and you realize like, nobody's here. Nobody's watching me. There's no cameras. There's all this art. Yeah.

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Oh, this was, I thought you ultimately, you did this, you did it, I thought you did it in several different places though, right? You didn't look around and think, nobody's watching?

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And, I mean, how were you raised, you know, middle class, lower middle class, upper middle class?

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Well, but this isn't the first time. This is... No, this is the last. Okay. So the first time you take it, you swap out this piece of artwork.

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Right. And so they didn't notice. They never noticed.

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Okay.

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That's a long time to paint an apartment.

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So who were they?

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So who were they?

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And one of them was on like the, the Anunnaki, but Chris, and I've actually done several videos with Chris Marrero. It's actually, some of his videos are like really, really like they've got like 80,000 or close to a hundred thousand views. And I, And all we do is laugh and joke. Like, it's not a serious thing at all. Because Chris can't... First of all, he's super excitable.

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Yeah, I was going to say a lot of the stories are repeated and altered slightly like the flood.

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You're saying before the Old Testament.

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And they've just been lost to time because for whatever reason.

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I was going to say the victors write the history.

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And he never really explains... He'll just throw out Anunnaki. They were here way before anybody else. They were, they were giants. They were, you know, he throws out all these things and he doesn't, he can't put it together in a, in a, in a kind of like a coherent chronological story that you can follow. He just throws things out where, you know, if you say, well, I don't understand.

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Okay. So, still, like, I'm still, like, who are, but still, who are the Arunaki? Like, is that… I mean, I know – listen, I know Chris would say – said that they were like giants. They weren't – that they were – his theory was that they were aliens that had come from – or aliens that had been here way before us and that they bred humans.

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And there was a purpose that they bred humans for, like slaves or something. Or I forget exactly what the reason was, but – Yes. I'm sure you know.

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Well, well that's, you know, well, the Bible says that you don't understand the Bible's raw. And he just, he gets upset. Not in a mean way, because he's just a hilarious guy. But he doesn't ever really say... Listen, you have to understand, here's where the initial origins come from. This is who these people were.

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So why don't you think, why don't you agree that they're aliens?

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Well, I mean, humans wipe out every new deviation of the species wipes out the old one.

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As soon as you become just a little bit more advanced, you take everything they have and wipe them out.

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Or they were wiped out.

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And what happened was, and then start explaining the issues and kind of follow that path onto how it all kind of melds into the Bible and just all the way up to our current history. I don't think he could do it. He is super excited to get sidetracked. Um, but, but listening to you talk to Danny was, was great. Cause I was like, wow, like that makes sense. That kind of makes sense.

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Okay, so yeah, they didn't have anything.

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To, you know, to do any type of genetic splicing or, you know, anything along those lines, you'd have to be advanced. So if they're that advanced, then where would that where would their former civilization be? Like, why haven't we come across their former civilization?

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civilization like although to be honest to be honest with you in a few hundred it like i was watching this thing on uh history channel discovery channel probably god what was it a year or so ago and they talk about like what would what would earth look like in a thousand years have you ever seen that and they showed the breakdown of like it's pretty horrible buildings collapsed i mean literally within a few hundred years it's almost everything's jungle

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Within a thousand years, it's basically, we're almost wiped out. There's almost no way without extensive digging or anything to even realize that we were ever even here. Obviously, there's things that are steel and that sort of things. But then again, rust and deterioration and those types of things. Literally, within a thousand years, the planet would just retake existence.

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Everything that humans have created and just – it would just be gone. So, I could see 15 or 20, you know, thousand years, you know, just wiping out any trace. But still, there's got to be something.

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Like I can understand that. Like I can just because kind of like when I was telling you earlier about like, um, I have a degree, I have a degree in fine arts. I have a degree in fine arts, but a lot of the classes are humanities classes. And in humanities, you have to end up, you do the study of art.

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Yeah. I didn't know he blew up the... I didn't know he blew his way into the thing, but I've seen the red... you know, swooshes, you know, the way they look, the lettering.

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And scholars took it as being true?

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And there's all of these, when one of the things that happens is when you start getting to religious art, there's a lot of art that's depicted that is depicted incorrectly because initially the Bible, when it was, During the transcription – or sorry, when they transcribed a lot of the Bible, they – there were – the transcriptions were wrong, right? Yeah.

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It started collapsing because it wasn't built on like granite or it wasn't built on a solid foundation. And as it got heavier, it started to collapse.

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So you think that as a result of this, the Bible was taken from a lot of these writings, right?

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Okay. Well, if this was a religion that was created and you're saying that everything came from the Anunnaki, then is there a God at all?

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Well, you know, I've actually said this a few times and I probably, if I was more educated or more articulate, I would probably have a better, I'd probably have the ability to explain it, you know, in a better way. Like, I think that just humans, you know, we think, oh, you know, we're super smart. We know everything. We can figure out pretty much everything, right?

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And so, you end up having things like – and I gave you the one example of there's a statue of – actually done by i think michelangelo um a statue of moses where he's got horns on his head and the problem is is that when the bible was transcribed the transcription was wrong was incorrect and so the originally when they transcribed it it was that

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Like we figure out physics and the size of the galaxy and universe and the planets and how they do this and how they didn't look at it. And granted, a lot of those, a lot of those... scientific leafs are fucking amazing. Like, I don't know, like, like how, how do you figure out what this planet is made up of? And you've never been there.

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Oh, well we, we fired a laser and bounced off this and used a reflecting such and such. And we know it's made up of this gas. Like, are you, who thought of that? Like what the, so, but you know, and there's people that are just so outrageously smart, right? And, But in the end, those people will explain concepts to you that you, you can't grasp. I just don't have the IQ to grasp it.

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And I'm a fairly sharp guy, you know, not super bright, but pretty bright. And I just, you couldn't, if you, if I, if he gave you a couple of years of harsh 10 hour a day studying in the end, I don't think I could actually understand some of the concepts that these guys understand. These guys with 180, 200 IQ, I'm not going to get it. So yeah,

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The so what I'm saying is if you've got different levels of understanding, right, you get down to, let's say, a chimpanzee, a chimpanzee knows that. how to forge food. And he has a, you know, they have a hierarchy. They have a structure. They have little societies, right? They have little, you know, they understand the jungle and this and this and how things work and how this is the boss.

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And this is what I do. And this is how our little society works. And here's how we forge for food. And they've got a whole thing going on, but they don't know that they're on the, they don't know that they're on this continent. It's surrounded by water. It's on a planet. It's going through around the sun in the, they don't know that. They have no concept of that.

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And even if you could sit down and say, hey, guess what? I've got a magic box and I can communicate 100% with this chimpanzee. He's never going to understand. You could talk to him for 10 years. He will never be able to grasp that concept. So the idea, so that's the way I look at us. We're super smart. We can do a lot of stuff.

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Listen, five or 10 years from now, I think we'll probably have little colonies on Mars. So that's amazing. But you know what? You and I are probably, no matter how much somebody could explain it to us, are probably never really going to grasp the concept or be able to understand what the creator or what God really is. And I don't have to. It's good enough for me to, just like you said, I believe.

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And if I believe for no other reason than it's comforting to me. That's good enough for me. You know, like I've got buddies that are, I don't believe all this. Well, even if it's just that it's comforting, I'm okay with that, that it's comforting. That's enough for me. Like the idea that, oh, I have to understand it and I have to see proof.

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And listen, if God came down and gave you proof, you probably wouldn't even be able to fathom it. So, you know, stop it. You're just not that bright. And I'm okay with not being that bright. There's lots of stuff I don't. Listen, bro, this is fucking magic. You understand? I have no clue how this thing works. None. I push some buttons. It does some stuff. It calls some people. Good enough for me.

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Never going to figure that out. So, you know, I think that's the same thing with God. Like it's, you and I are just never going to really be able to figure that out. And that should be okay because we're really just chimpanzees.

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Moses, the character of Moses had light emanating from his head. And the transcription was, ended up being that they transcribed it as that he had like projections emanating from his head. And that ended up being horns. So there were all these depictions of Moses where he's got horns. Moses had horns. And you're looking at like, well, Moses had horns. Well, that's because, and here's why.

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And I don't even think that's religious. You see what I mean? Like, I'm not looking, even saying it as a religious thing. I'm saying just scientifically, right?

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yeah you're just not you know biologically you're not capable i'm not capable of understanding this yeah so and you know and that's not you know it's not i'm not saying it's a bad thing i'm just saying like genetically like listen maybe in 2 000 years from now humans will evolve to a point where they can conceptualize that but well i'm glad you said that because that's actually what my

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It's the first matrix.

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Like the first matrix. It failed because it was too perfect.

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Well, that went on for 400 years until somebody said, that's not what that means. And so there's all these little things. And so when I was listening to you explain how some of these things came about, I was like that a lot of that makes sense.

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Well, I don't think... I mean, I think that we are I think we're changing. We're human change. But your life expectancy, how tall you are, how just, you know, nutrition, like just, you know, we're obviously, you know, vastly different than we were, you know, 100 years ago, just through nutrition and everything else and just aging and aging.

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Gosh, I mentioned this the other day during an interview, I think. I watch a lot of stuff on Mars. So, I actually just ordered Elon Musk's biography on Elon Musk. So...

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But one of the things that I, I, I don't know why this never, it never even occurred to me, but I watched a program the other day and just, just the guy just happened to barely kind of mention it and talked about it for a few minutes. And I was just like, like the rest of the day, I was like, wow, like I hadn't thought about that. And it was like, look, one, we'll go to Mars. Two,

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we'll, you know, the only real reason other than to say, Hey, look, we beat the communists there, you know, or with the rush, like other than just bragging rights, which is just silliness. Other than that, then, okay, well then we want to have a colony there because what if something happens? And I get that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I hear that with, you know, I see that Elon Musk's concept, but the truth is like, you have to be able to go and sustain yourself to be a colony. So if you go there and then it was okay. And then the guy starts talking about, And once we're there and it's a colony, it's self-sustaining, what happens to humans? We really become...

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two distinctive races because what will we be what will humans be like that are born there raised there and die there they will because once you go to mars just because of the gravity there's less light there's less gravity um the they were like they were saying that even the um eventual

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radiation on the planet even though we can try and protect you protect you from it there will still be a massive more radiation that people will be subject to so all of these types of things and you'll be raised completely indoors right like yeah so so what will humans be like that that are born and die their generation after generation and they start talking about all of the things that will change like your eyes will be larger and um

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So with that said. So can we, you want to let, can we, you want to start at the kind of at the beginning, just kind of like first, like where, how you got into this, where you were raised and just a little bit about you and.

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They won't need to be as round like our eyes, right? Your eyes will change because there's lower light sources. You'll have less hair on your body because you don't need hair because it's not direct sunlight. It's not bad and it'll be bred out. Your skin will be much, much more pale. You'll be taller. You'll be thinner. You'll have a lot less muscle mass. You don't need it.

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Your bone density will be... It'll be so... you'll be so drastic. Humans will be so drastically different or Martians will be so drastically different that they couldn't even survive on earth. You know, you bring them here, like they wouldn't be able to walk around.

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They would take, if they could ever recover from the lower gravity, if you're born there and you're raised there for 20 years and you come here, You're not you're not playing softball, you know, like even if you go spend 18 months or a year, a year to 18 months in in space, it took what's his name, like hours before he could even stand up. He couldn't even stand up by himself.

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I forget that the twin, the astronaut that was in space for like a year or two, like he had major problems and he was taller. He was like three inches taller. Took like two or three days before he shrank back down. There was all these changes. That was just for a few years. And this guy was running. He was exercising two to three hours a day to try and fight that.

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So there's no fighting that on Mars. And why would you if you never have to come back to Earth? So imagine what our species would look like after three or four generations living on Mars. They practically look like what we consider aliens to look like. So, you know, in a way, we're already evolving here.

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What will we look like when we eventually go to other planets and create self-sustaining, you know, colonies there? We'll be a drastically different species.

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I love the idea, but I'm not paying for it, though. I mean, but... I love the idea that Elon Musk is... Of all the things you could spend your money on, this is what you're doing. It's like, okay, what would I do if I had... And it's not that he has an inexhaustible amount of money, but he's super rich, right? So, what would you spend your money on to actually say...

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I think this is what I'm going to do.

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I agree with you, but I'll tell you right now, like if you gave, I mean, let's face it, it takes a certain type of person to think that way. Most people don't. Most people, if you said, hey, I'm going to give you, I'm going to give you, you know, a hundred trillion dollars and you could just never run out of money, what would you do? I mean, it'd be for most people, it'd be cocaine.

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It'd be, I was going to say it'd be, it'd be hookers and, you know, penthouses and, you know, Bugattis and, you know, it nonstop, like nobody would ever say, what about this? Like the idea that, right. The idea that he said that he said, I'm going to do this. I've done, I've done that. I've had some fun. I'm clearly not able to stay married.

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I've had a ton of kids, you know, I'm this, but this is what I'm going to go ahead and pursue. Like that's, that's phenomenal. But yeah, the thing with the colonies, the human colonies on Mars, I just was like, wow, what happened?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, I mean, periodically, we do get wiped out. Like, what is the theory? Like, we're in the Goldilocks zone, right? There's so many planets. Yeah, the Ugas. Well, I mean, there's a theory that says that... Shoot, I wish Boziak was here. He can remember anything. He'll be like, oh, you're talking about the such and such theory. Where it basically says that...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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most that there's probably life on, on other planets similar to us. The problem is, is periodically gets wiped out. Yeah. And so you have to get past that. You have to live on a planet, get past that white, that wipeout session to progress to a point where you could communicate with with other intelligent life forms.

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And that most of them, even though there's tons of them, that just as a result of just asteroids hitting the planet or comets hitting it or solar flares, that most species that become intelligent just don't make it past that. They either destroy themselves, either the star blows up or they get hit by an asteroid.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right, right. Yeah, so... and every generation gets that chance and like it's. Yeah, or these other species, there's other intelligent life forms get it and they just, even if they're at the cusp of it, it still doesn't happen in a decade. It's something to go to another planet that takes hundreds of years and many, many leaps.

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I'm not sure of horrible names.

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That reminds me of the movie Arrival. Heard of it, yeah. You've never seen Arrival?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Let's wrap this up. Arrival, I can't, it's so good. Yeah. It's so good because- Somebody was just telling me about that. I can't believe, I'm so disappointed in you. Did you ever see Contact? No, dude. It was a book written by Carl Sagan. So what's so funny about Contact, it was written by Carl Sagan. Like I read that book and like- a day and a half.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I mean, it was, it's, it's not, no, it is an easy read. It's a great read. But it was Carl Sagan. He wrote it. I almost said before he died, because it's so difficult to write them after you die. Well, it's easy to write. You just can't get them published. So he, anyway, and it was about, you know, SETI. Yeah. What's so funny is when the book came out,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, you're 29. Like you're a baby. So, you know, I'm 54 years old. So when I grew up in the, you know, in the 80s and 90s, you know, if you talked about UFOs, like it was like, you're a crackpot, bro, you know? So this book came out at that time and it, and it's, it follows it's the movie is actually Jodie Foster, right? Plays, plays the, the lead character of, um,

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God, I forget her name, but she's great. The character. And she basically is one of these people in SETI. And she's trying to get funding and this and that.

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And so what ends up happening is they end up getting a... they end up getting a message from Vega, right? Which is one of our closer constellations to us. And there's nothing there. It's the brightest one too. Yeah, but there's like nothing there. You know what I'm saying? Like they're like, we've checked, like there's nobody even there. Like it's not like there's a planet sending it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like where's it? They don't even know where it's coming from, but it comes and it takes months and months and months to even figure out what the message is. But when they do, it's, all it really is, is blueprints to build something. It's like these really complicated blueprints to build this massive machine. And I mean, massive.

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So the, several of the governments put, they've all start putting in money and they build this machine. Now, of course they don't really know what it is. Like, they don't know, is this, are we building a bomb? Like, you know, maybe, and there's all these debates in Congress. Like he, he really goes through like how, what an upsetting event this would be. People are saying, don't,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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build it it could be a bomb we don't know what it is it's not clear like it's clear that they told us schematics but the schematics are based on on numbers right which is universal yeah so you know numbers don't change no matter where like we all know that's going to be common theme so they don't communicate with us they don't really tell us what this is they say built this basically a build it and they have a picture of a humanoid in the middle of it so what you know is you're going to build it and there's going to be a humanoid in the middle of it and something will happen

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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so they build it and of course people are saying well yeah it's probably that's probably you put this humanoid and it's then going to wipe out all humanoids on the planet and then they're going to show up and we're all gone like they're going to have us build our own destruction and they're like they wouldn't do that they're because if they could do all of this they would just come here and wipe us out we're no we're no harm to anybody if you can travel the distance of

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Hundreds of millions of light years. Then getting here, there's no war of the worlds. They come above us, they sprinkle some pixie dust, and in two hours, everything on Earth that they want destroyed is done. It's that simple. So we build this device, and the device actually opens up kind of like a little wormhole. Once they turn it on and- I remember this now, yeah. Yeah, she travels somewhere.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right, because it's all really in her head. She never actually leaves anywhere. It falls. Yeah. She's been gone like 13 hours. Yeah. The recording that they put on her records 13 hours. There's nothing recorded though, but she was gone 13 hours.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But from the outside, it looks like the- it drops to the bottom and that's it. Like they turn it on and she drops it, that's it. And they're like, it didn't work. And she's like, how long have I been gone? They're like, what do you mean you've been gone? You just, the device dropped. And she's like, I've been gone forever. What are you talking about?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I've talked to this alien that takes the shape of her dead father. I've talked to him for hours. And what happens is it's just a communication between all of these different people intelligent species everywhere, just as a communication between everybody. So it's more like a consciousness thing. It's like a phone system. We're all going to have to be able to talk. That's what I'm saying.

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Now we can all talk. So that was a great one. The other one, that's a great movie. It's great, too, because the movie's great. The book was great. But honestly, it's one of those few books where that kind of like Fight Club where you read the book. If you read the book Fight Club and you watch the movie, it's really very close.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They did a great job. And also it's so short, it's like 200 pages. So- Pretty rare. But Contact is much larger, but they did a great job.

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where there's, I think, a dozen spaceships come and land. They never really don't land. They just hover 20 or 30 feet away from wherever they are. And so all over the planet, like some are in China, some are just in the middle of the ocean. And so we, of course, but they're pretty close to a lot of different, you know, there's England, you know, Russia, like there's...

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There's no real logic to where they're even located. Yeah. But one of them, of course, in the United States, and we go and it opens up every once in a while and lets you go inside and they go inside and there's a barrier, a clear barrier, and there are two beings that are in there and they're trying to communicate. Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yes, it was great. And so, eventually, they figure out how to communicate with them. And when they eventually ask, like, why are you here? That's the big question. Why are you here? What are you doing here? Right. And they say... We're here – basically, this is where it's a communication issue where it's like weapon. Like they're basically saying we're here to give you a weapon.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But that's – but it's a miscommunication. It's not weapon. It's like tools, you know, but they misinterpret it. Because, of course, the military is involved and they're screwing everything up. And they're trying to push their hand like, well, hurry up, hurry up. We need to hurry up, bro. This is – like we don't even know if they think – anything like us.

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So eventually after weeks and weeks, they, they start to develop a communication. And they, they basically are, why are you here? And they're like, we're here to basically give you, you know, technology or whatever, even though there's a miscommunication, miscommunication there. But what they end up saying is they're like, well, but why, why, you know, why would you do this?

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And they're like, because in 8,000 years from now, we're going to need humans, humanity's help. And so we're here to help you now. Like time travelers? Not time travelers. What they're doing is, and they're like, well, how would you know what's going to happen in 8,000 years? Can you travel through time? They're like, no.

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And they explain the way they conceptualize time is that we're, you know, lineal, right? Like we're moving through time, but they have the ability to see time.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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entire spectrum of time so they can as they move through time they can visualize the past as well as the future even though they're only here like jet lag or something which is weird i don't know like they're actually no they're actually can i don't think they can alter time

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right, but... But it's literally like historic, like literally you can see yourself in the future and what you're going to do and feel the experience even though you're currently at this point in time. Now, whether you can alter that time or not, I never really understand. It's more like you have 100% recall, I guess. That's kind of the way I see it is if I could actually experience that,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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what i experienced two days ago but of course we don't we simply have a memory of it yeah now or i could same thing i could experience what i'm going to i could feel and have that experience of what i'm going to experience the day before i get struck by a car i can't alter it yeah but i can actually experience and feel it and see it and know it's going to happen getting into like the

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something like paranormal activity almost you gotta listen you gotta watch the phone you gotta watch this because it's great because you realize like you just it it you really realize like and even when she explains communication it's really you ought to watch it because when she's explaining which one was this again it's arrival arrive oh this was arrived yeah when you when she experienced when she explains communication

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Because the military, of course, they're like, well, ask him this. And she's like, well, how do I even ask him that? And he's like, well, just you have to figure out how to ask him that. And she's like, right. But first we have to figure out. Google Translate. She's like, first we have to figure out. what this is, what she starts breaking down sentence structure and communication.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And you realize as she's breaking it down, you start to realize it's amazing. We can communicate at all, at all. And she's like, and you're asking me to communicate with something that's traveled all that, that is clearly a, we have no concept of how they think. Like we could say one wrong thing.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And they may decide that we're, you know, that we're a hostile species and they want nothing to do with us. When in fact, it was just, it was just an accident. I just, you know, so, and she gives all these different examples of, um, miscommunications throughout history while talking to different tribes and how that one mistake cost 50,000 lives because of one mistake, you know, so let's go slow.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Let's figure this out slowly. So it's, it's, it's an amazing movie. It's a great movie.

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I honestly, I, it goes back to the whole concept of God. Like I, I don't, I think, I think something's happening. And I, They don't seem like, obviously, they're not here to harm us because they could have done that a long time ago. Like, let's face it, they could round us up and make us do whatever they want.

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The other thing is, I don't think they're here for, a lot of people will, you know, oh, they're here for our resources. Really? What? Water. Water's abundant. GMO bananas. Yeah, water's abundant everywhere. Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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so you don't need us for what you could go to any um any comment or comment out there and get water you can go to there are planets that are made up entirely of water water's not precious it's you know maybe when you're thirsty maybe to us it is because we're limited to what's here But the truth is water, isn't it? Gold. Gold is everywhere. Diamonds. Diamonds are everywhere.

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Like all of the things that they could want. Oh, well, they want labor. Labor, if they could travel across the universe, do you know how many things they've beaten? The energy, you know, energy, technology. Like, listen, 15 years from now, we're going to have, well, more like maybe let's say 20 years from now, We're going to have robots cleaning our houses and mowing yards.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That's going to be a problem for the average laborer. We're going to have that. Right now, AI is already causing problems. What happens when you put AI with actual... uh, androids that can, can actually do things like, and, and that's only 20, 10 to 20 years for us right now. You think that aliens haven't got to be like, there's nothing we have that they want.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So there's some other reason they're here. Yeah. You know, I don't think like Oziak was saying, I don't think it's, technology or us and our technology, or we've captured alien crafts and we're testing the technology or whatever he was saying. I don't believe that it's gotta be some other thing that has to do with communication with us.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And they are slowly acclimating us to the idea because let's face it in the 1940s or fifties, if you had said, Hey, there's aliens and they're here and here's what they want from us.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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society may have completely broke down but now like when they told us there were aliens and it came out in the newspaper i was like i kind of figured that anyway because they've been they've been slowly yeah drip drip dripping it through through the media and through society and they've kind of acclimated us to the environment over the last 60 70 years a little bit here a little bit there and so i was like yeah

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Hey, this is Matt Cox, and I am here with Asoteric Eddie, and he has an interesting take on aliens and UFOs, and it actually ties into a story that I've actually heard about for 10 years or so, since I was, I told you, since I was locked up. But he's here with us to go over it, and so check out the video. So then he'll play an intro and then it'll be like, yeah, so I appreciate you coming.

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I don't know. They're coming. They're here, bro. They're around.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. Yeah. I don't think there's no way. And here's the thing I told you about Chris Marrero. I mocked Chris mercilessly. How do you think I felt when Chris was like, yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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i told you and i was like oh man this fucking crackpot i gotta listen to this guy now he's like i told you this i told you said i know what i said you know it's funny i actually had a friend when they dropped the like was it 2017 uh wall street journal or whatever it was new york the navy the navy videos yeah when that came out i had a friend message me he was like damn bro you were right like

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What do you think the Tic Tacs are? You think they're, you're saying they're orbs and not.

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But they could, they never got close enough. Like they couldn't see they were too far and they're really partially seeing them on their instruments.

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I was going to say that makes more sense because, well, first of all, even the way they move, even if you said, hey, all of these sightings, They have some similarities, right? But they're all different shapes. They're all different. But here's the one thing is that almost all of them talk about the speed at which they move. Like they, it shot, it was gone.

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And then a minute later it came back and then it shot up here and then was gone again. And it moves so fast. And to me, unless you saw that, I wouldn't think of the speed at which this thing moved. Like that's a common theme, right? So to me, if I was going to say, oh, I'm going to say, I'm gonna pretend and make up that I saw a spaceship.

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If I hadn't heard that over and over again, one of the things I probably wouldn't have thought about was the speed at which like, oh, it moves so fast that it just disappeared practically, but it didn't, it just was, oh, it was gone immediately. Like that's an odd thing to continually have woven through all of those different stories.

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Because to me, moving that fast means that whatever's in it didn't survive or certainly wasn't human, right? Like it can't be, that can't be normal. That can't be – that's not like a human oil.

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Right. Yeah. Because that's kind of like what the Tic Tacs were, right? Like they just – or the guys – I think the guys were saying – some of them said it did – like it shot off or it moved so fast. They're like, I mean – There's no way that's man-made. There was just nothing even close to it. I'm not even sure why you would have to move that fast.

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So the interdimensional thing, why do you think interdimensional? And once again, why be here? Or do they not even know that they are here? There's just a side effect.

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So our collective consciousness has manifested these things.

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collectively like no one individuals come up with it but collectively we've come up with these seeing these things in different places and them doing different things and now they've actually taken on a real consciousness of their own exactly it's too much for me bro i know i was doing it's wild but this is another reason why i believe this so um

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I wish to God Chris Marrero was here, because he has a whole thing. He read a whole book about how on the opposite side of the moon, there is a soul catcher or something that takes our souls. And he said a whole thing. Listen, it was so bizarre. I was like, I can't even listen to this, bro. This is when I was locked up. He had this whole thing. He's like, listen, listen to what's happening. Right?

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Bozak was Chris Marrero's celly. And he's like, I'd lay in bed all night. Bozak used to say this to me. We'd be walking around doing something. He'd say, bro, let's go see what Chris is doing. I go, I don't want to. No, I'm going to tell him that six planes just went over the prison with chemtrails. He goes, watch what he does. He goes, let's see what he says. And I'm like... Okay.

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And we'd walk in there and sit down. And I'd go, bro, this is weird, Chris. And then Boziak would go, listen to what we just saw. You go out right now, Chris. We still see him. He's like, what? And he'd tell him, six planes just went over with chemtrails right over the prison. And he'd go, what? Oh my God, I've got a book.

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And he pull out a book and start talking about how they're trying to poison us. And they want to reduce the world population to 500 million or something. It was like, he was just go on and on. But so go ahead. Soul catchers.

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I mean, our soul, sorry.

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You're saying it so fast. Yeah.

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You're just not okay with not knowing. You're not, you're not my philosophy of, I just, even if you told me I wouldn't understand it, you're not okay with that. No, man. That's got to be horrible. I sleep like a baby. You must not sleep at all. You must have horrible. You must toss and turn. I go right to bed. Like, I'm okay with my ignorance. You're not okay with it.

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Yeah, I'm good with just not knowing some stuff. I've listened to how they're going to build the nuclear rockets, this nuclear engine that's going to help get us to Mars. Instead of in like eight or nine months, it'll get us there in like three months. I've listened to what they're using and the formula and how the special type of –

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The engine that they're building for the nuclear propulsion and how they have to use this type of isotope and this type of it. Listen, it might as well. And I've listened to three, at least three or four different podcasts on it. Yeah, it might as well be Charlie Brown's teacher talking to me. Like the whole, I don't have a clue.

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It's like one, one, one, you know, Charlie Brown's teacher, the adults would sound like one, one, one, one, one, one. And I mean, I start to, you know, I, and I'm like, and I remember, listen, I probably a couple of days ago, I was listening to one. I was like, why am I listening to this? This is never going to click.

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I'm never going to be like, of course, that's why they're using the such and such this and that. And I was like, why? That's good. I'm good enough to know they're going to build this engine. It's going to go a lot faster.

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So, um, But, so, yeah, because there's just, I'm good with not, there's some things I'm just not going to know.

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I always love listening to, what is the, gosh, there's those scientists that are, that are, um, or astronomers or astrologers, whatever they are anyway, on, um, on TikTok, like what's the, there's a black guy that Neil deGrasse Tyson. Yes. He's great. You know why he's so great. He can break it down.

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Like he almost, he just, he just, he just stopped shy of pulling out like a green crown and drawing on, on having to draw, you know, that's how much he breaks it down. Like he's just enough that I'm like, he'll start to explain it. And I'm like, I can understand that. Thank you for talking to me like I was a small child. Because for him, he must be like, okay, now listen.

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And he breaks it all the way down. I'm like, got it. But when you were talking two minutes ago, I have no clue what you were saying. But then he'll say, imagine a bowling ball. I'm like, okay, I've seen bowling balls. I'm with you. I'm with you. So, yeah, that's what I need to have it broken down for.

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I'm better if you entertain me while you're learning. If I watch Schindler's List, I got it. There was some bad stuff going on. If I watch In Me at the Gates, I see Stalingrad. I see the Germans where I hear you. I'm good at, but you got to kind of Give me, there's got to be some entertainment involved.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Have you seen Oppenheimer? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was good, right?

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That was a good one, yeah. Shoot, what did we do yesterday? We did the Kennedy. We did the guy, the Kennedy one. Yeah. We did a podcast on Kennedy yesterday. I probably learned most of what in that podcast I've, I've watched a couple of documentaries, but there are always kind of conspiracy theories, but I've also watched, um, I watched a JFK, which with Oliver stone did the movie.

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And I'd watched that a couple of times. So luckily when this guy was talking yesterday, I understood, but if you had to sit down and just have me read the chapter, it would, it'd be a struggle. Um, I think I probably learned more watching JFK than I did ever reading anything in history class.

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We would just be savages that fighting each other for resources, right?

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Right, right, I've heard this.

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Well, I was going to say, what about like remote viewers, people do remote viewing or people that say they've had near death experiences where they've been in the room hovering above their body, watching what was going on. And then and then when they come back, they're like, you know, hey, you know, my son is here, you know, and they're like, how do you know he's here?

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Well, I saw him earlier, you know. He came in the room and the doctor pulled him out and the nurse, so can you tell him to come in? They're like, how would you even know? Like he's not even, you know, that sort of thing. Like they could describe what people had on. They could describe all kinds of stuff.

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I know you repeat that.

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Was wondering about was the can you explain the book, the the Lucifer? Wait a minute. Hold on. Damn it, it's not ladder.

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It's mysterious something, right?

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What is it?

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Well, let's talk about the first book that you wrote. Like what, why, why, one, why did you write it? And what, what did you do to kind of prepare for to, to write that book? And what's it, what does it cover?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Lucifer Mystery Revealed.

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So what about... And you're saying that that character of Lucifer entered into our consciousness and then continued... And there were... And then it got written into the writings of the Bible. Because, I mean, what about like, you know, Adam and Eve? What about, you know, a fallen angel? You know, there was a... a war between the angels and God, and they were cast out as demons?

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What about all of those?

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Okay. When you were talking, it just made me think of, have you ever read any Anne Rice books?

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So, she wrote The Vampire Chronicle for our vampire diaries. Yeah. Like, did you ever see Interview with a Vampire? I haven't watched it, no. Anyway, she wrote a whole bunch of books. One of them, it's funny, it's one of my favorite probably lines is it's God and the Devil in the Paris Cafe. And it comes up over and over again throughout several of her books with one or two of the characters.

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And it's, it's this guy who, who studies the occult, right? There's a, there's a, an actual organization and through that kind of runs throughout Anne Rice's books. And there's a, there's an organization. I want to say it's in London that studies the occult and they know of the existence of vampires and these different types of beings. Cause she doesn't just do vampires.

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She's got different, whatever. And yeah, So she well, there's a guy who's in Paris in a in a cafe and just smoking and drinking and sitting there and he overhears a conversation. Now, he's one of the occultist guys that study alcohol. So he's very plugged in to kind of, you know, the whatever, collective consciousness or the occult or whatever you want to call it. He's plugged in, right?

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He's very aware. And he happens to, and it's a busy cafe. He happens to kind of lean back and he can hear a conversation. It's an argument between God and the devil. And I think in the book, I think it's called Mimnock the Devil is the name of the book. So... In this, and actually one of the main characters, Lestat, is also in that book too, from Interview with the Vampire.

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So he's hearing this conversation and it's like a tear in the fabric of the universe where he could actually hear what's going on. And he sits there and he's like in a very short time span, he could hear this conversation, this argument between God and the devil that's been going on for centuries. and he can hear it.

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And what you learn throughout the whole book, which is probably about a hundred pages too long, but, uh, throughout the whole book, what you end up hearing, what you learn at once you read it is that the devil is arguing with God. The devil is like, like it's, it's Mimnock. They, you know, the translation is Mimnock, which isn't like, it's like Michael, right? Um,

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So Mimnock is arguing with God who is, and he is saying that God, you've created, you've created the earth and these creatures that have evolved. And this, this one creature, you know, humans, which are very much like us, the angels, they've, they've evolved to such a way that they actually have spirits and they're, but they're unhappy.

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Like the spirits, once these things die, these spirits aren't going anywhere. They're kind of hovering around the earth. Like they're still there, but their bodies are, and they're in agony. They have nowhere to go. And he's like, can I go down there and bring them up here? And God says, you know, he says, no, no, we're watching the earth. We're just watching this, this happen.

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And if that's what happens and that's the natural progression and they'll stay there and they'll be fine. He's like, yeah, but they're, but they're in pain. He's like, yes, but they don't, they don't know of us. And he's like, well, that's the whole problem, God. They don't know of us. Let me go down there and explain to them and tell them about us. And, and he's like, no, no.

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So this goes, the argument goes on forever. Eventually God says, listen, You can go down there and find the best of those spirits and bring them up here. And he goes, OK, I'll do that. So he goes down and he kind of comes up with like a criteria and he finds this group. And most of the spirits are angry and bitter and furious and they're in agony and pain. And they're just wandering.

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You know, they're just spirits. They have no bodies and they don't understand what's happened. Like we were these humans and we died and now we're aimless. And but there's a group of them that he notices that almost I think kind of describes them as glowing spirits. And I may be getting some of this wrong because I read the book 10 or 15 years ago, although I did read it a couple times.

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Because really, one, I liked the series, but I really liked this one explanation. And a group of them that were kind of off away from the other spirits were almost like a luminescent, right? Like they were glowing. And he noticed that when Memnok goes to them, he notices that they're not, they don't have this energy. angry, this energy, right? This violent anger in them.

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And what he understands is that they've come to an understanding that they realized like they realized that they were lucky to have lived and that they don't understand what's happened. but that they're okay with their existence. And he says, oh, I have to bring these up. These are great. They're going to fit in perfect up here in heaven.

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So he scoops them up and he explains to them about heaven and he brings them up and they populate heaven and they're all over the place. And God says, look, what you've done is good. These are great. I understand. He says, right, right. He says, and they've accepted that they were created and they lived and they died and they're just thankful to have lived at all.

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that they were even placed in existence. And so he explains it to God and God says, yeah, that was a good choice. That was a good choice. And so Memnock says, okay, well, what about the other ones? And God said, and then this is what the, this is what the problem, this is what starts the war in heaven. This is Anne Rice's version.

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And God says, no, no, the other ones don't deserve to come. And he says, well, no, God, he said, you don't understand. He said, they don't know about you. These beings came to an understanding that they were lucky to have lived and they're thankful and they're okay with having existed. So they're humble and they're thankful for what they got. But the other ones don't even know.

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If I were to tell them about you, then they would be enlightened also. And then they would be like these beings that I could have come up and, and God says that that's enough. Like you complained, I gave you this, that's it. The other ones stay. Well, that's what the argument in heaven is that God doesn't want spirits to come to heaven. He wants them to stay on earth and suffer.

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And Mimnach is, and the devil is saying that, it's not fair because they didn't come to that understanding. And so, God casts Memnach out of heaven and he now lives on earth trying to convince these beings or humans that they have to suffer enough or something along that to understand that they're lucky to have lived so that their spirits will go to heaven.

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And that that's the, that's, and I'm probably, you know, not explaining it as well as she does. Cause like when you read it, you're just like, wow. So when you read it, you come, you almost come off with an understanding that, um, that the devil isn't really evil, that God is unfair and the devil just wants the best for us. He wants us to be able to ascend to heaven.

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So what he's down here doing is really trying to elevate us to go to heaven and God has closed the doors. So when you read it, you're just like, wow, like you read it, it's like, wow, like that's an amazing, she's taken that whole, war between God and the angels. And she's just twisted it enough for you to go to almost resent God. It's really pretty.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, almost all the stories in the Old Testament, you can pull from different stories that were written in different religious texts prior to that. And plus, you're talking about... Stories that weren't even put on paper for hundreds and hundreds of, I mean, let's face it. I, my ex-wife and I can tell the same story from 15 years ago, same party. We were both there.

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And I'm telling you right now, you will get a completely different story for this same time, same event, same thing that happened completely different.

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Yeah. This happened, that happened. No, so-and-so slapped so-and-so. No, he didn't. He never even touched him. What are you talking? He just pushed him. You know, it's like, wow. Like the, like you imagine over hundreds and hundreds of tellings of those stories, how, how much they alter. So, and plus, you know, there's like, you know, it's not like there's, what is it? Four gospels.

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Like there's something like a dozen gospels. Like there are some gospels that just didn't make the cut. yeah, we don't like the way you describe this. And then that one, that one, like there's all these gospels that were, you know, it's, it's, it, but you know, it's, it's like when you're speaking to like to a priest, you know, that's the authority.

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Right.

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So what he says goes and that's, that's the version you run with. So, you know, like you said, you know, it's the same thing in way, especially since they were passed on throughout the ages, like who knows what happened and how much they've been altered, but,

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Since you, it sounds like you, you believe that there's a spirit. What do you think happens to us when we die? You think you meet Mimnock and he kind of says, bro, straighten your act up.

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So what does the Anunnaki theorem cover?

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All right. I watched, I think a majority, maybe I watched a chunk of your interview with Danny on Concrete, which I thought was really good. And I know I already said this to you, but one of the reasons I thought it was good was that I was locked up with a guy named Chris Marrero, right? So Chris Marrero spent a significant amount. Listen, this guy had so many books sent in to him.

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We know that Leo was at the white parties. I see Leonardo DiCaprio and he's on his knees and he's at the side of my bed and she's naked and he's whispering in her ear and everybody is watching her. He's in the corner of my bedroom with a camcorder recording the whole thing. I met this guy called Jeremy Sisto, and he's a very well-known actor today and at the time a rising star in Hollywood.

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It was wonderful. I mean, I loved him until then. Then he became not such a good guy. We'll talk about that as we go on. But so, yeah, the film was, you know.

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Kevin's in the three one. Oh yeah. So yeah. So I didn't, you know, so the film had all these really big names in it. And what we did was we were, so there's a, a UK filmmaker that inspired the out of us called Mike Lee. He made a movie called naked. And if you haven't seen him and just watch it, it's just genius. And what was so inspiring about this guy was his approach.

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It was led by Leonardo DiCaprio, but filled with incredible faces and names, including Tobey Maguire, et cetera, et cetera. So when it comes to Hollywood and when it comes to that whole process, I have met some of the most magnificent, incredible human beings I think you can meet. So more good people live in that industry than bad.

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He was, he did everything improvisationally. We loved that. And when David pitched this project to Leo, he only had 10 pages or so of a screenplay. So there was nothing there. And we were all very excited about improv because we had all seen Naked and other Mike Lee films. Well, I think there was only one other at the time, actually.

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But we'd seen both Life is Sweet and Naked together, actually, and we loved it. It blew our minds, just creatively. And so it was like a perfect fit when David pitched this opportunity because it was a chance to make the movie improvisational. And when you do that, when you take that kind of a deep dive, which very few people, if anybody, was doing in America at the time,

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um, you kind of jumping into a big sort of like, you kind of like, it's an empty handed, like leap into the void. You really don't know what's going to come out of this situation because it's improvisation. So what we did is we, we, we wrote this project, uh, uh, really creatively. We actually did it on index cards and, and then we created each of the characters and all their scenarios.

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And we stack these index cards in front of them. And we rehearsed for several weeks prior to shooting. And then we assembled, uh, three cameras, three super 16 millimeter cameras and a massive crew. And we shot for three days and it was just a miracle. I mean, it was one of the most magical things ever. Don's Plum was accepted into Berlin Film Festival.

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It was, it was accepted into the Sundance Film Festival. It was a film that was anticipated to go out and do, you know, the film kids and It's a key if you don't. It was a very popular film in the early 90s or mid 90s that came out a very like visceral movie, very raw. And it did like $30 million in box office. And back then there was a big deal, especially since it had a million dollar budget.

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Um, or maybe it was, it was a very small budget. My budget was much smaller. It was like a hundred thousand dollars, but it was, my phone was, you know, the belief was that Don's plum was going to do those kinds of numbers. So we had, so we shot in three days, 75% of a feature film.

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I mean, it's the most unheard of thing. I mean, it's practically a miracle. And when you watch the film, it's engaging. It's a deeply engaging movie. If you see it all the way to the end, most people don't watch it to the end, particularly those who might complain about it in some way. But if you watch the movie to the end, it's artistically wonderful. It's an arthouse film. It's got loads of...

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you know, really, um, visceral, you know, sort of experimental filmmaking and storytelling going on in the nineties. It's super raw. It's gritty. It kind of makes you feel icky in the end, but it's a substantial achievement in its, in its, in its, in its scope, right? It's not Titanic, right? We didn't have $200 million to make our movie and our movie with less than a hundred thousand dollars.

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It's just that, unfortunately, in my experience, it's a corruption of power.

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And what we accomplished was extraordinary. So, um, There was this, there was tension around the film immediately with Leo because Leo was a rising star and he didn't and couldn't afford to have a really bad movie. Right. And that makes sense. And so what we did is we assured Leo that we would never release a bad movie. In fact, we would not release a movie that he didn't approve of.

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That was our deal. He was cool with that. And so we got to cutting it after this incredibly, like almost, almost spiritual weekend of shooting and, And six months later, we finally raised enough money to cut it. We were broke, so we had to sit and wait for months before we could even get to the footage. But when we finally did, everything that we had thought happened did.

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There was just this incredible movie unfolding. We shot for three more days to get some pickups and to reshoot the opening because everything that we shot for the opening failed. So we had to reshoot all of that, and then we had to get some pickups as well. And then in the summer of 1996 at MGM Studios, we screened the movie for Leonardo DiCaprio and about 100 other people.

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Maybe a little more than that, including all of our friends, cast and crew, and some industry insiders like distributors and that sort of thing, just to get people excited.

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giving it people you know sample you know the interest out there possibly and it was just a massive success leo jumping up and down loving it uh blew his mind didn't didn't see it coming leo was i did not see this coming and uh then he sent us to his agents we screened it for them they approved the movie and not only did they approve the movie at caa and not only did they approve the movie but they signed the director and they took on the movie as as

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uh, Manny Nunez who repped producers project projects took on, um, took on Don's plum and Don's plum was ready to, uh, poise to go to the moon.

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And at that point we had Harvey Weinstein was making, was making offers, uh, you know, uh, who, you know, obviously this, you know, his, his months, you know, his months is, you know, his crimes aside at the time, he was the most prolifically important person in independent film and he was making an offer. And he was like, yeah, I mean, he launched Tarantino.

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I mean, obviously he's a scum of the earth.

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What he was doing. Say again, sorry.

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Something went really wrong, man. Yeah, Tobey Maguire shows up. First of all, to set this up a little bit, when Toby and I worked together on Don's Plum, Toby was nobody.

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It was before Cider House Rules. It was before Ice Storm, if you know what that movie is. And that's the movie that really got him going.

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It was, yeah. It was him attempting to gain credibility as, I guess, a talent. But in any case, he was absolutely nobody. Well, by the time that we had finished... shooting and started to cut. He had this short, Toby did, called The Duke of Groove, that got nominated for an Oscar. And all of a sudden, everybody's calling Toby's number, right? And he brought on this big, huge manager.

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And the next thing you know, Toby's star is starting to rise, and he lands on Lee's ice storm. And on Lee was this like... big up and coming, like not even up and coming. I mean, he credited, he directed this movie called eat, drink, man, woman, brilliant Chinese film. And he became this like beautiful art house director.

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And one of the most, you know, sort of sought off direct sought after directors for movie stars to work with in Hollywood. Toby lands the ice storm, massive deal. His, his star, Toby star starts to rise all the while Don's bloom is coming into the It's form. We're cutting it together. It's looking amazing. More people, more money coming on board.

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There's excitement around it and all this while Toby's star is rising. We finally, as I said, we screened it for Leo, right? Toby wasn't available because he was shooting the ice storm at the time. So he couldn't actually come and see the movie when everybody else did. He did get a sneak peek at 72 minutes of the film before he went to ice storm, something I did for him

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We did for him as a favor because he was not going to be available to see the film with everybody else when we did the cast and crew screening for Leo. So then Leo loves the film. He approves the film. Toby returns from Ice Storm. And I'm sitting at home with Artie Robb, the director. We're roommates. And we're just hanging out. And all of a sudden, we get this call. And Toby wants to talk to us.

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He's like, I've got to talk to you. I've got a problem. I've got a problem. I've got to talk to you. What the fuck is your problem? Now, at the time, we have offers from Miramax and several other distributors, including the same distributor that distributed Kids, the movie they made for a million dollars and did $30 million in the box office and launched careers galore, right? We're in business.

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CAA, as a matter of fact, told us that Sundance is a done deal. We're in Sundance. So we have Sundance, we have Miramax and other distributors. We have a massive Japanese distributor who's ready to throw significant seven-figure deal on the table for the Japanese rights. I'm in business, dude. I'm about to hit big. I went from drinking water for food

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to getting picked up in limousines because people want to buy my shit. It was an incredible time. It was a heady time, to be sure. We get a call. Toby wants to come over. He's got a problem. Ding dong. Doorbell rings. There's Toby. He's got a Ralph's grocery store bag in his hand. He comes in and he gives us a hug and he walks in. He's got to cook us dinner. Okay.

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Totally fooled. History might be a great example. I mean, I don't know Will Smith, but I can say that like it appears as though he's a great example of how like power, money and fame can lead to a level of corruption that can just corrupt the way your life is functioning. And a part I think it sort of stems from the fact that people who are like all the good people I talked about.

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And he pulls out a box of macaroni and cheese. He says, let's have dinner. I'm going to make you dinner. Mac and cheese and tofu wieners. Extraordinary. He says he's got a bone to pick. He says he's got problems. He has issues with the film. And there's a tension. There's an anger. It's like, what the fuck is going on? It's really kind of out of left field.

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There was tension around the film and all that described well inside the book. Nothing we need to get into here. But the tension is real.

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in him were far exceeding anything that we'd run into and all that by the way that previous tension that i was talking about was all about the skepticism around whether or not the film was any good and that really just like fell to the wayside once everyone saw it which is something i assured everybody uh during the tense times i was like just let us finish the movie and when you see the movie it'll be what it is but we think it's it's powerful we think it's special and we hope you feel the same way and that's how i kind of always sort of that was my party line if you will to everyone throughout you know the process of cutting the film until we premiered it for everybody

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Toby screams, starts screaming at us. I want Don's plumbed up bird. His veins just out like cords on his neck, screaming in our faces.

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Losing his mind. Artie's like, you need to get the fuck out of my house. You got to get the fuck out of here, dude. I'm not doing this shit. I calm everything down because I'm that guy, right? I'm a bit of a mark. I am. I'm a bit of a mark because I'm that guy who wants to please. I was a heavily abused kid.

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And I think that the result of that, and this is all self-diagnosis, this isn't professionally diagnosed, but I feel like my father was physically abusive, very physically abusive. And so I was always trying to please him, always trying to please him, trying to quell that anger that I knew was going to bring wrath to me and pain to me that was practically unbearable.

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And so when Toby erupted in a similar way to the way my dad might, it's the exact same thing. I was like, let me help you. I can make this better. We can talk this through. This doesn't have to become violent, right? And that's what's going on. Hardy Rob's like, fuck you, I'm going to bed. But not me. I'm like, I got to stay with Toby and I got to make him feel better.

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It turned into like a 12-hour interrogation by Toby McGraw. I mean, I'm literally falling asleep. He's waking me up. I want answers like crazy shit. We moved buildings. We were in my apartment. And then he was like, let's go to Bob Villard's, this place in which he was living while he was in from town and in between residences. So we go to this guy, Bob Villard's house.

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And at that time, one of the things that Toby attributes to his success is Alcoholics Anonymous. So we're at his house and he's going through this interrogation and it's just horrible. And then he goes through this process of telling me what's changed his life and why he's so successful now. And it was Alcoholics Anonymous. And he goes into this thing about how I'm an alcoholic.

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He's like, you're an alcoholic, though, and we can help you. He's just deconstructing me. He's like, what the fuck is going on? I'm like, I'm not an alcoholic. He's pointing out some of the shitty things I did when I was drunk because I did make mistakes. I'm a flawed guy. But alcoholic, I was not. Asshole, yeah, I did some asshole things. But alcoholic, no.

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But he's breaking me down, kind of deconstructing me. He wants to know what the worst thing that happened during Don's plum was. That was his obsession. I want to know this isn't squeaky clean. You guys did something, something. Don't tell me there wasn't something said there wasn't. You guys did something shady. I was like, there's nothing there. And he just kept pursuing this.

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There's this like bad sort of thing that I'll call it a bad thing for the sake of this conversation. But there's this thing that there's complicity, right? So they are complicit in the empowerment of these people who become corrupt as they grow in their strength and in their fame and their delusion. Right.

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And this is what he kept waking me up from when I would not out from being up all night. Um, so I'm going to do a little flashback now, if you don't mind.

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Uh, Previous to all of this, Leonardo DiCaprio, we had set up the screening at MGM for Leonardo DiCaprio. And Leo had agreed to come and we had this whole thing arranged that literally involved hundreds of people. or a couple hundred people probably, right? And we get this call from Leo, and he's like, dude, I'm sorry, bro. I can't make the screening. What? Two days before.

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What the fuck do you mean? You can't make the screening. This whole thing is for you. I'm sorry, bro. It's too late. It was his birthday, and I forgot, and I'm flying to Las Vegas. I'll be in Vegas. I can't make it. But set it up for next week or the week after, the following week, because I'm still in town. He was on hiatus from I don't know what movie.

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But he was like, I'm still in town for another week, so we'll do it then. It was a disaster for us. It was horrible. It's the worst thing that happened. Well, our executive producer had arranged for a small announcement in Variety announcing the film so that distributors would know that it exists so that when he goes and starts calling them, they would be like, oh yeah, I saw it in the trades.

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And that would give us a bit of an edge to try and get good money, right? Yeah. So he made this announcement in Variety and it hit before Leonardo DiCaprio saw the movie. Before the screening on Friday morning or Friday noon is when the Variety hit the stands. It was on the shelf and the article was in it. And Leo exploded with anger because he had not yet approved the movie.

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So he went, we got this vicious, made me shake voicemail from him. I'm mad, like mad. I'm not going to the party. I'll be at the screening hall. It's going to be at the screening. So that's how we got Leo to the screening is we fucked up and put an ad, basically an announcement in the trades. It got him furious. So he changed his plans and he came to the screening.

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It was actually a good thing for us because he ended up seeing the movie, loving it, and everything worked out for us in the long run. And we were able to easily apologize for that mistake, right? Because it was a small announcement.

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Yeah, we fucked up. We shouldn't have done that. Apologies. Won't do that again. Thank you. That was the end of it, as far as I was concerned. And it should have been for... There was nothing salacious. There was no like, oh, it was a small announcement. These guys made a movie. That's all it says, essentially. Well, so Tobey Maguire knows about this and this variety article tension.

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So in this all-night session, Tobey's like, what about the variety article? I was like, well, actually, there was one thing. And I've just been browbeated and interrogated. And when you read it in the book and you see what, when you kind of, you kind of, the cool thing about the book is that I put you in it.

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Because that's what I have experienced is that there's a separation between those who are delusional and those who aren't. And the ones who are delusional in Hollywood and who have power create so much damage that is felt by everybody. It's the same thing we see in any kind of circumstance where, you know, if there's if there's just enough bad guys. Right.

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It's not like a book where I'm sitting there telling the story in the way that I'm telling you today. It's actually, you're in the seat. You're there. It's live. It's like, it's cool that way. So I'm like, well, there was one thing. Yeah, there was one thing. And he was like, well, what was it?

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I was like, you know, when Leo was all pissed off, he was like, what's the one thing that you had to have heard something? He said, that's what triggered me. I was like, yeah, I did hear one thing. And he's like, what was that? I was like, well, you know, when Leo was freaking out about the Variety article, Jerry Metters, who put the article in and who was the executive producer of our film,

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He got angry about the way that Leo was behaving about the whole thing because he was freaking out about it. And he said something like, well, if he's angry about us making an announcement, at least he knows we have a voice in the press. This is what he said in our little meeting. We brushed it off as stupid, right? Like, R.D. was like, Jerry, that's ridiculous.

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Yeah, I'm sure Leo's shaking in his boots right now. Cause it was a stupid thing to say, but it wasn't like, it actually wasn't a stupid thing to say. Let me stand corrected. Cause Jerry Meadows doesn't say anything stupid. In my opinion, he's actually a really, like he's a bonafide, brilliant executive in Hollywood.

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What he did was he had a reaction, you know, Leonardo DiCaprio threatening all this shit about our movie and being a jerk off over a stupid little article. And to him, it was a, you know, this puny thing. And he was like, you know, grow up. At least, you know, we have a voice in the press kind of like you in that way. Right. So I said to Toby, yeah, Jerry said that.

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And I thought it was really stupid. Toby went, that's it. He said, you fuckers, you're going to pit the press against Leo. He blew the whole thing. I'm pitting the press against Leo. We're going to try to ruin Leo's career over Don's plum. He just destroyed everything. Prior to him freaking out all this stuff, I had agreed to go to AA because he kept coercing me into it.

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He was like, just go to AA. Just come to this meeting. Do it for me. Support me. And so I said, okay, and agreed to go. So he blows up this whole thing, accuses me of admitting to us pitting the press against Leonardo DiCaprio. And when you put this into perspective, I had everything at this point. I was about to be made. It was done.

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You know, it was all about whether or not we were going to, what we were going to do with it afterward. There was no question about whether it was going to happen. You know, I had succeeded. We had, you know, we had beaten all the odds. So Toby lost his mind. And he, again, screaming, you're trying to over my friend. We're meeting with Leo tonight. They called a meeting.

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I did not sleep until through the whole day.

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And I met him serendipitously, and we ended up becoming very fast friends. And he ended up introducing me to Jeff Goldblum. We played these acting games one night, and Jeff Goldblum remarked that I might have enough talent to make it in Hollywood. And so I took that as a sign to go.

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They can they can create a lot of hell for all the good guys. And that's what happens to Hollywood. And in part, it's because there's a level of complicity because we want to acquiesce to the power because the power will bestow upon us the fortune. So if I can smile and say yes, even though it should be an emphatic no, right? Yeah. I might even get more favor.

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This all happens in 24 hours, dude. 24 hours. My life was destroyed. My art was taken from me. My friends were gone. I was ostracized from the industry in one single night. That evening. So Leo's agents called us between Toby dropping me off and us meeting with Leo later that night at Kevin Connolly's house. And Kevin Connolly recorded the whole night.

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So between that time Leo's agent called us and said, what the fuck happened? And Leo's agents was like, this is going to blow over. You guys are just having a little fucking friend fight. It's going to be fine. I knew different. I knew that Toby, that Toby was after something more than I didn't, I didn't realize at the time what was going on. I thought I needed to.

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Well, it's a very revealing movie, right? It's entirely improvised. There was a scene in the movie that he became very sensitive about when I described it to him before he had actually seen it totally. And the scene is that they're sitting around and it's in the improv was it's an improv.

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And the objective was one of the things that I thought we dealt with growing up in the eighties and nineties was like shame around things like shame around things. Right. Right. And I, and we, pardon me, we wanted to address that a little bit. And so we did this thing called improv where people talk about beating off. And during this improv,

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Toby's character, Ian, confesses to fingering his butthole

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when he beats off and it's just like like leo's reaction was amazing like he was just like oh i know like he's just just this big homophobic like like just oh he was just repulsed by it and it was like it was awesome the whole thing was captured beautifully on these three cameras and it's just this great exchange and toby's talking about how um with the finger of your ass is way more

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So when I told Toby that it was, actually it was a really, really great moment in the movie. It was really honest. It was really, it was brave, you know, like to do in front of girls at a table. I don't know, man. I loved it. I thought it was a really special moment in the movie, actually. And it cut together beautifully. Leo's strong reaction to it was really important.

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And the whole thing was really on theme. You know what I mean? It was perfect, actually. And it was also a moment that I thought showed some of the best acting coming out of Tobey Maguire in the movie.

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when I told him, cause he asked me like about how the movie was going at one point when we were hanging out and I told him there was a scene that I, that I felt was particularly vulnerable and special. He asked me to describe the scene for him. I did.

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I was like, I don't think anyone cares, dude.

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I don't even think the water was that cold.

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If I turn my eyes from what I'm seeing, maybe I get more favor. And so there's a complicity amongst the good and the medium good people in Hollywood that enables, right, emboldens these people to rise to this level of delusion and power that ripples down in ways that can create complete disruption and even destroy lives. And that's where I think people feast in the sort of

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I don't think I think it was less about him being painted in a bad light and just the whole like the film as a whole. The film is raw, dude. It's raw. Right. And it's real. And that was the purpose. Yeah. And so I think I think the problem was that it made him it work. I think he was concerned that it would that it would seem more like it was real and less about him acting.

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And so so that meant then that it was representative of him as a person. And it shouldn't have been, right? Because it was an improv. And not only was it an improv, but it was written. And we have all the stuff we've written. And we have the rehearsals on tapes. And we know what it was. We all know that it was all fiction. People genuinely believe that what they're watching is real.

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It's genuinely not real. It was all written. All the garbage stories, they're all written. There's nothing real going on. But we had one of the best casts ever assembled in an independent film. And I don't think I'm exaggerating. It starts with Leonardo DiCaprio. So let's just go there, right? And then trickle down. We had an extraordinary cast. You know who Jenny Lewis is?

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That's okay. I'm just, you know, it's worth asking. She is an independent musician of great fame from Rilo Kiley. And she's just an absolute fierce talent. And she plays one of the female leads in this. And I mean, her performance is breathtaking in terms of like how wonderful it is toe to toe with DiCaprio. Incredible work. You know, we had an incredible cast.

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We had something really, really, really special. And it comes through. It affects you viscerally. You know, when we were screening this movie, we were testing it before we even screened for DiCaprio. We did some tests. People were coming out of there just shaken by

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Because it's not because it's – it's just because it makes you realize like just what we were up against as kids in the 90s, you know, as young people coming into our moment. So it's just a viscerally real movie and I think he was very afraid that that was going to rub off. And I go into extreme like – well, not extreme. I present a theory in the book.

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that I think is a very plausible theory about why Tobey Maguire lost his mind. Because it is a mystery, just to be sure. When I talk about true crime, it's a mystery why he did this. I just, it happened. But here's what became very real. At first I was like, it's because he was jealous. At first I was like, because he was always talking about how he was next in line from Leo.

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Did you know that he and Leo were both up for, do you know what this boy's life is?

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Did you know they were both up for it?

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Yeah, they were both competing for that part. And Leo beat him. They've been best friends. They were friends before that, and they've been best friends ever since. And I am certain that Toby, to this day, carries that around.

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Well, it changed Leo's life in ways that, you know, I mean, Leo worked with Robert De Niro at, you know, at the height of De Niro's, you know, abilities really, you know, and, you know, it's certainly one of the peaks of his career to De Niro's.

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You got to work with Alan Barkin, you know, when you're in Hollywood and you're, you know, a teenager and you're trying to break in and you get that, that's just as big as it gets, dude. There's nothing bigger. And it doesn't, being second is horrible. Yeah. Because being second could mean that you never work. Because being second means you didn't get the job.

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And that job changed Leonardo DiCaprio's life. He, to this day, talks about how it changed his life. Because it was the first time that people saw this kid really act.

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know the gossipy sort of or whatever like the hollywood rumor milling right they feast on that but in the like but hollywood like all hollywood needs to do to become a place that we can admire is that the good people need to start slapping the bad people out they need to get them out they need to say you know people like dicaprio mcguire these people need to be told diddy right they need to be held accountable first of all if they're if they're criming but if they're just being immoral or

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Well, no, but I think there was a rivalry between.

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No, not at all. But it does, for me at least, establishes that there might be something going on in terms of a competitive nature for this guy, that he might have something fiercely competitive about him, that there's something he wants to prove. Like he's he and I say that because of my experience with him, right? He's he's said repeatedly, I'm going to be bigger than Leo.

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He said repeatedly, I'm going to make more money. Not only am I going to make more money than Leonardo DiCaprio, I'm going to be the highest paid actor in Hollywood. These are things he said repeatedly, and I never believed a word of it. And the reason is because I thought I couldn't imagine that his face would ever become a star ever. Like, you know, his talent is fine. And that's the other thing.

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I never thought he was that great of an actor. It's an opinion. Others may, you know, have a different opinion, but I just never thought he was very strong and still. think that about him. I haven't seen all of his work, but I've seen enough and worked with him, and I just think he's okay. So that he was saying these things about his future, to me, was almost comical.

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But his ambition and his ability to pursue things is, I think, probably at the highest level. I think he's exceedingly good at getting what he wants, despite obstacles, even you know, average face, an irritating voice and a mediocre talent. And with those things. Don't hold back. You built an empire. Yeah. Well, it's how I feel. It's definitely my opinion.

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And I would have, I had that opinion of him when I was his friend. So it just literally, I mean, that's never not the first time I met him. I thought he looked like Jojo, the dog face boy, because he just had the shaggy hair, shaggy hair, you know, this tough thing. And he slipped awful to me. And I was like, this is Hollywood. Fuck. I might make it around here.

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You know, it was like one of those, if he can, I can situations. So I think that what happened was that Toby saw the, an opportunity to be something like a all-American kid, the nerdy kid. Actually get into a theory that I believe that Spider-Man was introduced to Tobey Maguire in 1995, 1996, at the same time of Don Splum through Leo because of a James Cameron connection.

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And that's sort of where the book kind of focuses in terms of like a motivation for Tobey to do what he did. But what he did was he took a torch and And he lit Don's plum and he burned it to the ground in one single night. We all met at Kevin Connolly's. It's a night that RD and I refer to as the bludgeoning, the verbal bashing. It was just pure abuse.

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And it was recorded by Kevin Connolly, who says later that that recording was stolen. When the litigation happened and we said, produce, it all got stolen. Right. Because people break into houses, risk incarceration and take micro cassettes and run out of the house with it. It's the stupidest thing I've heard in my life.

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But in any case, throughout that entire night, they just verbally bludgeoned us, told us that they were going to destroy us. kicked us out of the house broken and obliterated. And then from that day forward, my life went completely to hell and I lost everything. And when I say everything, I mean, I still don't even talk to my family or some of them. So I lost my friends. I lost my money.

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I lost my future. I lost my dream. I lost my right to pursue my dream because I got blacklisted by Tobey Maguire, by Leonardo DiCaprio. When the shit hit the fan, it was 1996. The dispute broke out in the late summer of 1996. And we settled in 1999 after Leonardo DiCaprio had become the biggest star in the world.

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So it was prior to Titanic, as you know, and as we established, but it wasn't until Titanic that we were even able to get a lawyer because nobody, we didn't have any money. And the lawyer was going to take our case on a contingency basis because Leo wasn't a star. He was worth a couple million bucks. They were like, we're not getting anything out of this fucking guy.

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They're bullying. If they're being bad people, they need to be corrected by the good people. But instead, they're emboldened because they want to work with them, because they want to be benefited by the fame and fortune that has bestowed these people through their lives. It's frustrating for sure.

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When it became Titanic, we were getting phone calls from the biggest lawyers in town.

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Well, what happened was he broke a law. He interfered with our prospective economic advantage, right? And he started calling up distributors and telling them that if they worked with us, they would never work with Leonardo DiCaprio. And so Miramax went away. Trimark went away. First Look went away. CAA went away. All of our friends went away. Everybody went away.

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Literally within seven days of Tobey Maguire coming in and torching everything, every single opportunity, every single relationship, that industry relationship gone, every single thing. We had a three picture deal from Jersey Films, which was Danny DeVito's company. So they called us in after seeing Don's Plum and gave us three picture, $3 million deal.

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So we went from $100,000 to make our first movie. We had million dollar budgets for three movies. Do whatever you want. Be artists. Like the dream come true, my friend. Like everything I've ever wanted. I didn't ever want to be a commercial guy. I never wanted that for me ever in my life unless I was just getting paid as an actor.

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But as an artist, as a writer, as a director, as a producer, for me, it's all our house or nothing. It's just where I live. It's where I breathe. It's where I fucking thrive. It's my contribution. It's the thing I can do best. So it's where I want to be. three picture deal from Jersey films is as good as life could ever be.

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And Toby went into that man's office and told them that we fucked over Leonardo DiCaprio that, uh, and that if they work with us, there'll be consequences. And so we got dropped by every single opportunity we had and it didn't stop. It didn't ever stop. Toby McGuire, you know, did horrible things to people publicly who supported, who tried to support us or show any kind of support for us.

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It was just an, a vicious, a vicious attack, uh, And here's the interesting thing. As everything was leading up to it, one of the things that made that night with Toby so explosive was he got me to somehow, I just put it out in the book and it's a little too much to get into here.

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But he was able to coerce out of me that I had some issues with DiCaprio because DiCaprio was doing weird shit, like really weird shit. And like degrading humiliation shit. Humiliation, like public humiliation within our group of friends. It's really god-awful shit. And it was really bothering me. And Toby, too, was also doing really weird, like I'm going to dominate you kind of stuff.

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And it came up in our one-on-one at Bothell Arts that night. And I voiced my opinion about it. I said, like, man, Leo's tripping me out with what this shit he's doing. And I'll share with you one of the stories. I don't want to reveal them all because the book is... Oh, I mean, it's too much to cover, frankly. Right. Okay. And I wouldn't mind selling a couple books if I could. Right.

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But yeah, they were doing really weird shit. And I brought it up. And at some point in our meeting, or in our one-on-one, me and Toby, Toby says... I was like, no, man, I just don't, I don't understand what's going on. Like there was, you know, and so if, anyway, if you want me to get into that moment, I can.

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The thing I'll share is the kind of thing I'm, I'm sort of comfortable coming out with in public. And, and, and, you know, the first time I came out with this story, by the way, obviously I, the book, I spent four years writing the book. So, you know, But it just happened. I literally did this other YouTube channel to kind of announce the book just days.

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I recorded it just days before Diddy was arrested. And this was the topic on that podcast. And the guy was like, holy shit, I can't believe the connection, particularly with Leo and Diddy, apparently at least being friends. So it's Christmas day. I'm sad. It's my second Christmas in a row that I didn't make it home. Christmas was like, you know, I had a rough life. I love my father.

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He was an abusive guy, real abusive guy, but I don't know what it is about loving people who hurt you, loving bigots. I don't know, but I love him. It was my dad, you know? And I love my mom and I love my brother. And I, and I, and I wasn't home for Christmas for the second time, only the second time in my life. And the second time in a row, because if I leave the country, right.

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Oh, I might not get back in. So I couldn't go home. And it was very sad. So I had a sad day. I called my mom and that was sad. I was just kind of lugging around. Then suddenly friends started to accumulate and we started having a good time. We went to Jerry's Deli. We partied there. And we got back to the condo where I was living with Artie Robb.

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And there's a crowd of people, six, seven, eight people. I don't know, whatever it was. We had a small crowd, sort of Christmas orphans, Leonardo DiCaprio among them. And also among them was a television star who I have named Emily Foster. I've redacted her name for reasons forthcoming.

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uh so uh anyway we're all partying whatever having a good time i'm downstairs smoking a cigarette and i can't remember who it was but one of the guys came down they're like dude you gotta see this something's happening in your room with leo and i'm like what the he's like emily foster's getting off in your room i'm like what do you mean he's here and he's like no you gotta just see the shit so he drags me i go walking up the stairs and there's like a crowd of people outside my bedroom there's a landing that separates two bedrooms here's a doorway to mine here's a door he already robs room

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And then there's this landing. And on that landing are about, I don't know, a group of people, five, six, seven people. And they're gawking inside. And so I look around and I see Leonardo DiCaprio and he's on his knees and he's at the side of my bed. And Emily Foster is laid out on my bed and she's naked and And he's whispering in her ear and everybody is watching her.

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And let me tell you something. Emily Foster was not an exhibitionist. Emily Foster was infatuated with Leo. She was also one of the biggest TV stars in the world at that time. Household name. If I dropped her name right now, I think everybody would know who she is.

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And I think, sadly, people would probably change their opinion of her in some way or that it would affect in some way their opinion of her. And that's disturbing to me because their focus is really on Leo in this situation. Because he had no interest in her. We had discussions about it because I thought it was shitty from him, right? Previous to this, you know? And so did others.

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I witnessed these conversations where we're like, Leo, dude, you're leading her on. He's like, no, we're not. We're just friends. I'm like, bro, you're playing. This is bullshit. And then it culminates really on this night, Christmas night, where he literally coerced this woman into this humiliating act in front of everybody. It changed everybody's opinion of her, obviously. And to boot,

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In the corner, Scientologist Ethan Suplee, in the corner of my bedroom, with a camcorder, recording the whole damn thing. So he's got this television star whose life, and like, I don't know if you remember the climate in the 90s, but in the 90s, dude, like, people talk about cancel culture today. People get away with everything today. compared to back then.

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If you got like outed for something, it was the only news they got. There was no internet. Things didn't spread like wildfire. They were controlled by the press. And if the press decided to take you and your story, you're done. And if a tape came out back then, it, I mean, you remember these tapes? I mean, it literally like changed lives. So,

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He was putting at risk this person's entire career, her entire fortune that she had spent, you know, enormous amount of her time and creative self to achieve. And all that now is in jeopardy because Ethan Sibley has this compliment on this tape that he... Now... You know, it's just interesting that he recorded in the first place. And what's even more interesting than that is this.

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Eventually, this dispute leads to a litigation. Right. We end up in this big, giant lawsuit and we do these depositions. And during the deposition, we asked for discovery. Right. You know, you're familiar with that term.

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Right. So discovery is when we go and we we find out what they have, what evidence they have that can either prove or disprove our story. And they're supposed to, by subpoena, provide that for us during the lawsuit. So we subpoenaed that tape. Now, the reason we subpoenaed that tape wasn't because we wanted the Emily Foster footage.

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It was because we know, or we believe, that we spoke about Don's Plum and Leonardo DiCaprio tried to assert legally that we were keeping secrets about it. We weren't ever. We never did. You keep a feature film secret.

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ridiculous thing i've ever heard in my life from the people who are in it this is the most stupid thing i've ever heard but um we thought that the the that ethan who was recording throughout the night that there would be proof on that tape right that we would be talking about don's plum that leo would have talked about don's plum but the tape also contained this footage of emily foster and so ethan lost it in the deposition and he threatened to burn the evidence now in the uh to be fair

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full disclosure, he thinks it's photographs. I'm absolutely certain it wasn't for two reasons. First, the first and foremost is that Leonardo DiCaprio would have never let Ethan Suplee take photographs on film of that night. No way. He would have never let Ethan Suplee take that roll of film, right? There were no digital cameras in 1995. He would have taken that roll of film to CVS, right?

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To the photo mat, right? He was not going to let his career whispering into a famous woman's ears while she's clearly for the camera, he's not going to let that go to phone him. There's just no way. So I know it's video because it would be controlled under these situations. And the other thing is I saw it. I feel confident that my memory is correct and it was videotaped.

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So it was a disturbing night. And what was even more disturbing is that when he was threatening to throw that evidence away years later during the deposition, it occurred to me, holy shit, you still have it.

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You still have it. Why would you still have that? They're best friends. If I had compromise on you and you're my best friend, first of all, I would imagine you're going to ask me to get rid of it. Probably.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But if you don't, why wouldn't I? You know, maybe he forgot that he had, you know, the biggest star in the world on it. Possibly. So that's that's the story that leads to like that. And that was the particular one that was most disturbing to me when I was talking to Toby that night. I was like, why did he do that? What is that about? Was he wasn't to get off himself. It wasn't to get me off.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Right. Why would he do that? And I said, I think it was because he wanted to humiliate. And I think that reason is misogyny. That's my personal opinion. I just think he's a misogynist. And so, you know, when the Diddy thing broke.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And everyone's talking about like this idea that Leo might be exposed to Diddy's humiliations and all this other stuff. And I'm like, hmm, I don't know about that, dude. Because Leo's been rolling with this shit since before Diddy. So, you know, maybe it's the other way around. I don't know. Could have been Leo going in, dude.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. I mean, I imagine that that somebody knows, but we don't, you know, and, you know, we know that Leo was at the white parties. So just when people are putting that connection together, my mind, I'm thinking, well, I'll say this about it. Right.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like maybe he had nothing to do with it, but it would have been it would be it'd be very easy to believe for me that he would have participated as a viewer in a minute. He was an exhibitionist and he was also somebody who literally would put somebody through humiliation for his own amusement.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Well, we wanted to, well, I wouldn't say we, but David Stelman, who was the producer who owned the copyright at the time, he wanted to sue right away, but no lawyer would take our case and we had no money. So it wasn't until after Titanic hit And all the lawyers that he visited and tried to convince to take on the case, those lawyers started calling him now.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And then we ended up landing Burt Fields, who was at the time the biggest and most feared litigator in all of Hollywood, representing guys like Michael Jackson. He thought, Burt Fields, said he was going to be the big powerhouse that he was. He was going to flex his muscles. Leo was going to go, oh my God, I can't do this.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And then we were going to end up in a settlement that would behoove us all or benefit us all. And that didn't happen. Leo dug in instead.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. Leo spent a million on our lawsuit. He dug in for a mil and we went through two lawyers because our lawyer, Bert Fields, the big powerful guy, when Leo didn't bend, he kicked us to the curb like a jerk off. And so we lost the biggest lawyer in the world and we were like empty pockets and no lawyer in the middle of a lawsuit with the biggest star in the world.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So we ended up landing another attorney that eventually led to a settlement conference and where a so-called settlement took place. But it was all under duress and they don't care about money. And in the end, the movie ended up putting the bill anywhere because part of the settlement was that we were going to pay all the legal fees.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So we ended up – it's a long, terrible story about how the – they never stopped destroying this movie, dude. They never stopped. And it was all out of spite. It was all to destroy me and Artie Robb. It became this spite, this evil, horrible spite. And it worked, bro. My life has been shit for a long time, dude. It was very difficult for me.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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In fact, it wasn't until I wrote this book that I realized I could do anything else and love it. I wrote this book and I was like, oh shit, I love this. I'd never written a book before. I'd written short stories, poems, lyrics, and screenplays, but never a book. And it just opened up a world of creativity that I'd never experienced before. So prior to the book, film was all I ever wanted.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Film was all I ever knew. Experimental film, especially, which is the hardest film to make because there's no real promise of box office at the end of it. So you've got to kind of be beloved. And to be beloved, you've got to have a really special movie come out. That was Don's Plum. Don's Plum was going to open up that for me for sure.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Because it was not just an awesome experiment that went right, but it was also the fact that the process that we began was a process that was exciting for so many filmmakers experimentally. It really was something special that we could grow with. It was accidental. Do you know who Jackson Pollock is?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Very famous painter. And you know, that whole, like he spilled the paint. Yeah. We spilled the paint. That's what happened. You know, we, we spilled the paint and we were like, Holy fuck, this works. We can do something with this. And so the masterpiece was, was, was supposed to come later, right?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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This was just our beginning, but it was a special beginning that had, you know, you know, really special performances. And, you know, like I said, just an experiment that just went, went totally right. Yeah. So, yeah, I mean, it's a wild thing to have to deal with the kind of abuse of power that I've had to deal with for decades and that it became so personal and so horrible.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know, I did this New York Post documentary. The reason I wrote the book is because I did a – You know, post-documentary. And at the end of it, Leo, through his publicist, made a statement. And in the statement, he called me a liar. And he said that I was using this story to gain publicity and to unlawfully earn money from Don's Plum, the movie I wrote and produced. And my God, I got so mad.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Like, I was just like, holy fuck. And I didn't know how does a little me who screams through rooftops and barely gets heard battle a guy like that, who now just disparaged me in a way that's irreparably harmful. I mean, people who listen to him and believe him, right? I got emails right away. Why do you respond to the fact that you're a liar and that you're stealing from Don Splunk?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So I was like, well, fuck, I got to answer this, man. And it took me a year to figure it out. My inclination was to write a book. I didn't have the courage, man. And then the pandemic hit. And I was like, man, I just got to suck it up and I got to do it. And so this book, and I'll hold it up just because I think it's kind of neat. He said, Dale's a liar. And I said, that's my response.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Oh, the cover is me wearing my Miramax hat.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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they were gonna buy my damn movie but it's just a picture for me in the 90s chilling out about to about to be somebody people knew in the industry just about to make it man it's a beautiful time bro like i did it like i don't know you know uh for anyone out there who's and i gotta tell you man i don't regret the i don't regret that if i were to go back i wouldn't i would not make dance do you know what i mean well i would obviously hope that it would turn out differently in terms of the way the dispute went down but

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Now, I don't regret any of the pursuit. But anyway, after Leo called me a liar in that New York Post documentary. And by the way, like this whole thing got reignited in 2014. I had laid completely quiet about everything. I just shut up and I wanted it to go away. Right. And so I did my time. I did my time.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I went and did the sales jobs and I lived a mundane life and I let my dreams stay in the shadows and I waited for the dust to settle and I knew that it would take a long time. And I did 10, 13, 14 years of silence on it. I did nothing. And then I went back to Hollywood. I left my wife because that shit just ended. And at that point, I was like, it's time to go back.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And I went back at four years old, 2010, for a second round, if you will. And I reunited with Artie Robb. And I had, I'd been working on this thing for years, this story that I love so much fiction. And, and I met this girl who is my wife now and saved my life. I met her and she found out about all this and she was like, I want to read your stuff.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And so I showed her the story and she fell in love with it. It's a,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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kind of a weird psychological almost supernatural love story but it's like it's it's cool it's like this really highly it'll be controversial if i ever get it made but it'll be very spiritually interesting and anyway she just loved it and she was like i know this producer and he was like a giant in the business like huge like like bigger than leo in my opinion like bigger than leo she's like i know him let me just let me just see what he thinks and i was like okay fuck yeah

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I think quite like that is the book will feel, but more or less some substance. And so he loved it. He loved it. He was like, this is a great idea. And this guy who's now this multi-billion dollar producer, he got his roots doing the very same thing I did, which was just, you know, slugging it out with a hundred thousand bucks, 200,000 bucks, try to make something beautiful happen.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So he loved this. And this movie would have taken a million, a million and a half, like not a lot of money to make. He was in. And then he found out who I was. It was 2014 at this point, 2014, almost 24 years after I made that movie. He was like, who's that? Oh, he made that. I can't work with him. And he canceled me there on the spot. 44 years old, man. You know, I shot Don's bum when I was 25.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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You know? And that's when I was like, fuck, I got to do something. Because at that point, this was the first time where I had a concrete Maybe it's time to check out. Maybe it's time to get out of this thing.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It's just a life gone bad, you know? Just a bruise that's spread into a rotten core, you know?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I already checked out of Hollywood. I moved to Jersey. Yeah. I got away. I was out of sight, out of mind.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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after this after that after that producer was like because of 1995 right and don's plum i was just like man i got this beautiful girl but man like and it was like such a serious moment like it wasn't like a fuck my life ah it was like uh i gotta go i gotta go so like you know fighting through that was really difficult for me like i was like oh fuck um but i just wanted out so bad and then i uh so i turned to to my girl and i was like man i gotta fight back where are you

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I didn't say it to her, but I think she might have felt it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I got to do something. I can't just let this continue. I can't let this reputation follow me around that isn't just. And I can't allow these people to take so much of me and to take so much of what I've done and everything. I'm proud of my work. I don't care if you hate my movie. I don't care. I didn't make it for you. I want you to love it, but I don't care. I love it. And that, and that matters.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Um, so I, I said, I got to do something. And I was like, I think I'm going to write an open letter to DiCaprio. This is 2014. And, and she was like, at first she was like, wow, it's a big deal. It's like, yeah. She's like, it could end up consuming us. And I'm like, yeah, but I got to do something, man. And cause I just, my life is slipping away from me. And, um,

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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In my first week in landing in Hollywood, Jeremy says, let's go to a party. We walk into the house and the first person I see leaning up against the wall is Shannon Dory. She was the biggest star on television at the time. She was leaning up against the wall with this sort of Vixen-y look on her face. And I was like, wow, this is crazy.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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did it man she was like okay so i wrote the letter in 2014 and it blew up uh in 2016 uh after after the revenant no nobody paid any attention dude it was the most embarrassing thing ever i was like in my head right i got the biggest star in the world i'm gonna write this open letter everyone's gonna care fucking nobody cared buddy like it's like oh my god wrote the open letter in 2014 and uh it was uh then i that i made the commitment that i was gonna fight leonardo dicabrio

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Jeremy Sisto, who was like an angel to me, he introduced me to this dude, Artie Robb, who was friends with Leonardo DiCaprio. And they were making a short film called Last Respects. And there was a role I was perfect for. And so I got to audition for that. And that's kind of how I broke into that group that eventually led to this entire saga and drama.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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hell bro that guy's got a Mike Tyson punch you know but I was like man I'm just gonna fight this guy from where I am and I've been doing it for 10 years and the book is really like the sort of the pinnacle of it all I think it's really probably my will be my most emphatic statement about it and

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And I'm really proud of the book and I'm proud of standing up against such a fucking shitty human being. And just to the fans of Leonardo DiCaprio, I loved his work. I did. And I believe in a separation between the art and the man, the art and the artist. I have Eric Clapton records on my shelf and I think very little of that man. I have Van Worsen records on my shelf.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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That guy's fucking kookier than anybody I've ever known. Do I put his, do I put those records on my placard? You're right. I do. Cause I love the music, man. So, you know, this isn't about, I don't want Leonardo DiCaprio canceled and I don't want any of his movies not to be seen. I want my movie to be seen.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And I want all the people that worked on those movies to be rewarded because that's a lot about what I'm talking about. Matt is like, these guys didn't just take my movie away. I hear I'm here today representing it as my movie, 150 people work on them. Leonardo DiCaprio was one of eight ensemble cast members, seven of which, before Toby, could have used the work. Do you know what I mean? Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He was the only one who was doing well. And he was there as a favor to us all, which is, I guess, bitter irony of it. That's my story, buddy. I'm sticking to it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah, I mean, the only thing I would like to definitely let your viewers know is that they can watch the movie and read the book for free. It's a fascinating story, and it's told in an artful and entertaining way. This message is obviously very important to me. I spent 10 years working on getting it out, and it's because there's a lot more inside of me to come, and I'm putting...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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So I put my heart and soul on this book, and you can get it for free on Kindle Unlimited right now. You can also buy the paperback there or the e-book if that's your preference, but you can read it for nothing, and you can also watch the film for free at freedonespoem.com. I do send out HD links. I send them out because Leo and Toby have taken down the HD copies of the film.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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They let the really bad copies go, but they don't. They've stopped the good copies. So I only set up private links for now. But no, I don't really have much else to say except thanks so much, man. I hope the story was entertaining for you guys. And yeah, I hope people, you know, learn a little bit from it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Yeah. You email, um, or just go to freedom.com, just put in your email address. You'll get an automatic kickback for the, for the link. If you want to reach out to me personally, you can just hit, yeah, there's a, there's an email address there. If you want to chat with me, you're welcome to do that. But yeah, that's it. Those are, that's how you get that link.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And then you can go to Amazon to, uh, to get, uh, the book. Or really, I think any online retailer probably is carrying it in paperback. But for ebook or for Kindle Unlimited, that's exclusively on Amazon. Just look up 2Real.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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yeah so i auditioned for it i blew it uh it was i mean i uh it was the worst i'm the worst auditioner i think uh ever i'm i'm i'm just so bad i freeze i die like i'm a decent talent you know i'm not gonna tell myself something extraordinary but i'm a decent talent but me if I can't audition for anybody. And so we got together, we did this table read for investors and my mouth dried up.

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I just died. I just died on the spot. And I was working with Leonardo DiCaprio, first thing. Second thing I did, and I'm at the table with Leonardo DiCaprio in front of all these investors. So I'm working with an Academy Award nominated actor. I literally acted in three things in my entire existence. So I really felt like imposter syndrome just hit me as hard as...

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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It possibly could in that moment. And I blew it. But the project blew it. The project was poorly written by Artie Robb and Artie Glackin at the time. And so it was just a mess. And I overheard Leonardo DiCaprio talking to Artie Robb and saying, I can't do this movie, dude. I can't. It's bad. And I just, I want to work with you. You're my buddy and I love you, but I can't make this. It's bad.

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And so Artie's like shoulders dropped and, you know, just, he was consumed by sadness and Leo laughed and I pounced instantly. I was like, I can write, I can fix your problems. I can fix all this. Let me help you. And I didn't say it quite like that, but that was the feeling, you know, I was like, Hey man, I'm a writer. You need some help.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And so he gave Artie Robb said, well, let me read something. And at that time I had been handwriting a screenplay. in my bathroom, oddly enough. And I just found this like real personal space. And I was writing this like really, really experimental kind of stuff. And so I handed him that and he read it. He thought it was really fun. He really loved my dialogue. He thought I was talented.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And so he brought me on as a writer to try and fix the problems. And so I ended up writing that short with Artie Robb for DiCaprio to star in. And we probably put about eight or nine months of work into that. And when we finally presented it to Leo, he still passed. He was like, no, it's a no-go for me. I'm not going to do this. And I was devastated by that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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But the producer we had on board, who was raising the money for the short, he pitched a project that he had started called the Saturday Night Club. And it was about a group of friends who on Saturday nights meet up at a diner and hang out every Saturday. And they go through their night of shenanigans, if you will. And so he had pitched that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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And then I glanced down and there was a circle of people, just dudes sitting around. One guy with his back against the wall, yakking away enthusiastically at something. And I was like, man, that guy looks crazy. really familiar. This looks like that kid, Leonardo DiCaprio. But I was like, there's no way it could be him. Ah, come on.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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He went and pitched that to Leo in Leo's bedroom after Leo had rejected this movie that we had written. And Leo liked the idea. And so Leo, then we all kind of crowded around it. And there was some drama involved. But in the end, I was brought on board to co-write that with Artie Robb. And that's really when the big opportunity really opened up and my life ultimately changed forever. Yeah.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, it wasn't. So it becomes, it became the movie that is now known as Don's Plum.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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No, you haven't heard of Don's Plum because Leonardo DiCaprio has been keeping it suppressed for decades.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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Leonardo DiCaprio had that film banished from the United States and Canada. That has been my plight. That has been my fight. And we'll get into that more. But so- To shorten the story up a little bit to kind of get into more of the juicy stuff is that we ended up making the movie. We ended up shooting three days in July of 1995 with a cast to die for.

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That included Leonardo DiCaprio, Tobey Maguire, Kevin Connolly. Do you know who that is?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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To, oh, to bring your podcast over to his brand.

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How the fuck did you do all this? How did this happen for you? It's wild.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast

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I mean, yeah, clearly the person at this party is connected because they're Shannon Doherty, but Leonardo DiCaprio, I mean, he's an Oscar nominated actor. Maybe he's not a big star in the world, but nah, it's not him.

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I saw that in your episode. I saw that stuff. Yeah.

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I thought, you know, and I just kind of went into the party, deeper into the party and mingling and seeing all these other familiar faces from TV and otherwise, but it turned out to be Leonardo DiCaprio. And so in my first week, There I am, right? I'm thrust in one of the most incredible young Hollywood groups in town.

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Yeah, well, it's funny because I think a lot of people, there's a certain, I think he has a sense of entitlement. I mean, I'm just me, but like, hey, I'm E. You don't say no to me. Why would you say no to me? Who the fuck are you going to go with?

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You know, you're good, man. That's a cool story. And it's and it's interesting because like it's, you know, it's interesting to hear that about him. He's he and I can I can totally see that. I mean, I knew him very well. We were we were I would consider I consider us close friends at the time.