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Chapter 1: How was Inside Edition involved in the scam?
Inside Edition came to my work and tricked me into going there. Now, I've already been off of probation for two years.
This is way behind you.
Correct. It's way behind me. I'm now moving on. And on the video it says, and he's got one last statement for his victims.
That's not how that went down. There's two different articles that I saw and both the video said video unavailable.
There was a lot of comments like, shouldn't have done that. That's so trashy of you guys. That guy did his time. What if he left there and killed himself? So they just took it down. It's gone. Look at this. It's playing.
This guy is really worked up. It's time to win some money.
I lose my job. I happen to call one of my buddies, Ed, the old manager that I used to work for. And he says, hey, listen, he goes, I just got off the phone with Teddy, Teddy, rock him steady. He's up in Ohio. He's got his own telemarketing room, advertising vacant, undeveloped land. So I was like, really? He goes, yeah, you want me to throw you away a minute? I said, yeah, sure. So
With this telephone call, I thought this has got to be what I'm supposed to do because the three-way call is if you and I are on the phone and then we three-way in somebody else, if you hang up or I hang up, it disconnects from that third-party person. So Ted's voicemail pops up and Ed hangs the phone up. Well, somehow I'm still connected to Ted's voicemail.
So I leave him a message to tell him to call me. So he calls me. So for me, I was like, man, this has got to be fate. We're supposed to disconnect the phone. Or maybe it was just a new feature. It could have been. Maybe. I don't know. But for me, I was like, this has got to be fate. So it takes him about two weeks to convince me to go to Ohio.
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Chapter 2: What was the telephone call that changed everything?
other part of the website and the inventory, they're going to be right on the front page of our website, all this kind of stuff, which was just a link basically to then get to the other page that was on there. So now we're calling all these people. Great news. We got the VIP package. Things are starting to ramp up.
We were telling people that we were doing these seminars, which he was doing seminars before I got there. And you look at some of his seminars that he was doing. There's like three people in the audience. Right. But you couldn't see them. And there were workers that worked for him. A suit that was like six times too big. You could just tell it probably wasn't. But- I mean, we're not lying.
We did do a seminar before. Are any of these properties selling? No, I don't think one ever sold ever the whole time.
People pay $400.
But here's the thing, though. We weren't selling property. We were advertising the property. So that's how me in my own mind, I was justifying it is like, I don't really care if these people's property ever sell because one of the rebuttals were, well, what happened? Like, you know, like what, what if it doesn't sell?
Well, folks, it's just like if you advertised your old rusty bicycle that you have in the garage in the newspaper for seven days and it doesn't sell, can you call the newspaper back and say, I'd like my money back because it didn't sell? No, but. You're paying for a 90-day advertisement.
And if it doesn't sell in those 90 days, we are going to continue to advertise the property until it sells for no extra charge.
It doesn't make sense. That's just – so basically you're just putting it on the website. There is no 90 days.
It's going to stay there until it – But when you're – yes, it doesn't make sense to you or to I or to the – I guess maybe to our type of mind. But at the same time, when you're pitching it on the telephone – It's for a 90-day advertising. But if it doesn't sell in those 90 days, we'll continue to advertise it until it sells. So it's really unlimited advertising.
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Chapter 3: How did the telemarketing scheme work?
Have you gone to the website? Are you interested in property?
Right. Oh, yeah. All that kind of stuff. Next thing you know, you just start making small talk with them. Nationwide.
Yeah. If you use the same logo, if you use some similarities, people would think.
Yeah. And that was really just it. If you get somebody else on the phone, once I... One day just was like, nationwide is on your side. I was like, this is perfect.
You know, this is going to be great. So one time I was buying houses in an area and I would renovate the house. I'm buying these houses for 60 grand. And I'd go and renovate it. I'd put – they were – really, honestly, most of them were already renovated. But they were just shitholes. Like, renovated badly, going for $60,000, $70,000. Like, they're just horrible houses.
But from a – if you took a photo from the outside, like, it's got vinyl siding on it. It's got new carpet. I mean, are the floors cockeyed? Yes. Are the caulk – this much caulk between the – you know what I'm saying? Like, the – The Home Depot kitchen that's in there, it's all level and everything. But I mean, the floors are wavy. They've got linoleum down, new linoleum.
But so for a photograph, it looked okay. But if you walked in there- If you walked in there. Yeah, if you dropped a soccer ball on the floor, it'd roll to the corner. You know, I mean, these are bad houses. And so I bought these from a shitty guy who renovated houses. He did a shit job. Yep. So-
What I did was I went around the whole area and I put up these signs that said Nashville Restoration Project. And then I put the website on the side of the sign. These were big. These are like maybe 30 inches by... 48 inches and they're the vinyl siding. And I would put like a metal bar, you know, on the porch. So the signs are very, they look very professional.
And if you went to the website, there's a website. Well, the color scheme was exactly the same color scheme, font, everything for what's called the, it's called a future comp plan. So every city has a comprehensive plan for their future developments. And that the city tries to help kind of say, hey, in this area, we'd like to make this a commercial area. This should be multifamily.
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Chapter 4: What are the consequences of title theft?
Chapter 5: How did they avoid getting caught?
So I also had interviewed one lawyer because then I started to do some more research that you can look up like super lawyers and all these people. But come to find out these guys just pay to be – it's just – But I went and met these guys in Ohio. I met them at like 11 o'clock at night because that's the time that I had got there and they stayed two lawyers. I wish I would have hired them.
I wish I would have had more money to hire them. But they wanted like 20 grand up front, another 20 grand once the trial was over with because I was 100% taking it to trial. It's just what I was going to do. I just didn't have the money at the time. And so I hired the guy from New York City. Worst mistake ever. I just don't think the guy ever just cared about me.
Should have never fired my original one. So I go to there and to the courts with my new attorney. And he's still only four years. I'm like, yeah, no, I'm not taking it. So my agreement I've always said was I don't want to do any prison time, but.
If anybody calls in or if anybody messes with any of my friends who I got involved into this or my kids' moms or anybody in my family, I'll take whatever deal it is they give me. So my buddy, best friend from here in Florida, I get him and his wife involved and they're some of the people that are going to pick up the Western Unions for me. So he texts me and says, hey, listen, call me.
So I didn't see it. It's like three hours later. I'm at work. I call and he doesn't answer. So then he calls me like three days later and says, who's this? I'm like, it's Roger. He's, oh, he goes, I got some people came to my house. The cops came to my house and stuff. Now, me not being a dummy. I kind of put it together really quick.
The cops were probably with him when he tried to get ahold of me the first time. Right. And then he didn't call me back until three days later because finally they can meet back up with him. Yeah. And so he goes, I don't know what to tell him. What should I tell him? I go. Trying to get you on an obstruction. Correct. I go. Tell him exactly the truth. Right. Tell him the truth.
That's exactly what I want you to tell him. The truth. I go. And you can look at him right now and tell him I said to tell the truth. He goes, what do you mean? I go, yeah, why don't you look at him right now and tell him I said tell the truth. And he's – so then I caught him off guard because now he kind of – I think he thought that I knew that he was probably sitting there with him.
So they do – so now he hangs up and, you know, that's that. Then my son's mom – and this story, I don't know how true it is. Just, you know, there's some backstory to her. But she's jogging. one day and one of the guys from the BCI stops her and starts questioning her and then says oh didn't you just drop your son off over there and then you know you're doing this and then yesterday and so
Now in my head, I'm like, okay, you know what? Now it's just coming too close. So the original deal that they had offered me two days before that was four years on a second degree felony. So now on Friday, I called my lawyer and I said, listen, tell them I'll take that deal. and Monday I was supposed to start trial. So I said, tell them I'll take the deal.
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