Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The Minds of Psychopaths: Wild Stories from an ATF Agent
Fri, 10 Jan 2025
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Chapter 1: What is the main topic of this episode?
Chapter 2: How prevalent are psychopaths in society?
people don't realize how many of these serial killers are among us they're everywhere you know you don't have to be a guy like bundy or dahmer who have these high or or john way gacy who has these crazy numbers right 30 40 50 whatever some people are serial killers and they kill every so often you know they may have four or five but you know the key is they kill few they lay low
Go down, and they keep on doing it again. Some of the guys, and they live in society like normal. They have a normal life, and they juggle and hide, and then at night, they do House of Horrors. It's scary, and I think people need to know how dangerous serial killers are. They're everywhere. I think people don't understand how prolific they are. They're everywhere.
I heard the other day that the average person comes in or crosses the path of something like, was it like three to six? It was like three or six people
um psychopaths a day that they actually come into contact with and don't even know it you know what john wayne gacy's last words were i mean bundy at least when he was fried there and all sparky his last words were say tell my family i love them and you know whatever all that at least that's something right right john wayne gacy kiss my ass that's his last words kiss my ass
Hey, this is Matt Cox, and I am here with Ignacio Esteban. He is a former ATF agent, retired, and he's written several true crime books based on various cases. I just finished one of them, and we're going to do an interview. So check it out. What's going on, Matt? Hey, what's going on?
Nice to be back on your show. The second one. Yeah.
Yeah.
How did the first show do? It did all right, right? Yeah. I think about over what? 13,000 views so far in County. Yeah, that's good. Very good number. People liked it. Some liked it and some not so big fans of ATF.
You know, you, yeah, well, like I said before, you always have some guy who's saying, this guy's full of shit. Listen, I did one. It's funny because I had a guy that I researched his entire case. I wrote a I wrote a synopsis, about a 12,000 word synopsis on its case, researched it, saw all the documents, everything. And there were guys in the comment section. That's bullshit. That never happened.
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Chapter 3: What are the characteristics of serial killers?
or Dahmer, who have these high, or John Wayne Gacy, who has these crazy numbers, right? 30, 40, 50, whatever. Some people are serial killers, and they kill every so often. They may have four or five, but the key is they kill a few, they lay low, go down, and they keep on doing it again. Some of the guys, and they live in society like normal.
They have a normal life, and they're Jekyll and Hyde, and then at night, they do House of Horrors.
Well, especially if you can get away with it, they get away with it because a lot of times they don't even, there's just opportunists. Like suddenly the opportunity is there and they just, boom, they snap and like a long distance truck driver or something. Like, how are you going to catch that guy? He killed somebody, gets in his truck. He didn't know him. There's no connection. Yeah.
They get a lot of prostitutes.
Right. These people, hitchers. Yeah. Right. People, people, loners, homeless people, people in society don't care about. Right. Missiles kind of people. And they prey on those people and do horrible, horrible things. I know we're talking about my book, but I'll tell you one story here. And hopefully people read this book. It's gotten really popular. And it's called Psycho Killers, right?
And I talk about, you know, I mentioned the Dahmers and the Bundys and the Gacy's. And I also have a little history on H.H. Holmes. I guess America's first original big serial killer that some people think was Jack the Ripper also. And we can talk about that on a different show, why similarities, because he was also in London, 1888, during that time period. He also came back.
He had family that was also British. So there's a lot of connections between, and he was a doctor. Because the guy who did with Dr. Ripper was someone who was a physician because they were very quick in dismantling the organs and taking things out. Because that's what Ripper did within two minutes. He would take out these female's organs and everything else and dismember them really quickly.
And this guy was also very good at that. So those things we can talk about later with Holmes and the comparisons. There's even a family member out there who believes that his great-great-grandfather was Dr. Ripper. And he makes a great argument why he thinks so and stuff like that, which is fascinating. But I'll talk about a quick story here. about what makes a serial killer here.
You had Richard Ramirez, right? The Night Stalker, right? He's my last chapter in my book there, chapter 12. There's the original Night Stalker, which is Joseph D'Angelo, who was a former police officer who becomes a serial rapist and serial killer at the time. And he is the original Night Stalker, but they think they're one and the same.
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