Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
BIG MEECH IS COOKED! Insider Exposes Court Docs, 50 CentText, & Cuffys Call From Prison
Tue, 22 Apr 2025
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Chapter 1: What role did Big Meech play in the BMF operation?
Big Meech set this whole thing up. As he explains in the interview I did with him on my page, I've read over a thousand pages of the actual court documents. And this was posted on 50's Instagram.
Listen, if Meech did, I think he did the right thing.
I'm different from Matt. He didn't do the right thing. I want to preface this interview that we're going to do because there's some very, very serious people involved in this. And this is a very, very high profile case that everybody's talking about. Everything that I'm going to say in regards to this is going to be from the actual court documents that I read that you can download on Pacer.org.
I'm going to do my best. To leave my personal feelings out of it. Right. And I just want to speak to you from the facts. Now, I've read over a thousand pages of. what we're going to talk about today, which is the BMF Black Mafia family, right? Which, when you hear that name, you think about Big Meech, right? And his brother, Southwest T. Demetrius Flannery, Terry Flannery, right?
Now, unbeknownst to me, There's another dude, right, whose paperwork I've been reading. His name is Dion Lamont Gatlin. He goes by the name of Cuffy. He's out of St. Louis. And I don't know who gave them that name, but they are supposedly BMF St. Louis. You understand? And all of the paperwork that I've read that was titled United States of America versus Dion Gatlin. Right.
Is what I'm going to talk to you about today. Now, a lot of people have talked about this. Still talking about this case And a lot of motherfuckers Matt Are just going off of How they feel Their personal feeling About Big Meech Their personal feeling about Cuffy Their personal feeling about BMF I'm gonna stay away from that And I'm able to do that, right?
Because like I said, I've read over a thousand pages of the actual court documents from Big Meech's sentencing hearing, his application, his motion for a compassionate release, to the Franks hearing, which was requested by Cuffee, testimony by Jack Harvey. Tammy Cowens, who was the central figure, which is who's the woman who was the- The CI, right? Right. She was the DEA informant.
The CS is what she's listed in the paperwork as CS1, Confidential Source 1. Tammy Cowens. And that's where I'm going to be coming from. Now, I know you mentioned your man that I think you had on here, or maybe Matt had him on his joint.
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Chapter 2: Who is Cuffy and what is his connection to the BMF?
No, Wade. Wade.
Wade. Wade might have had him on his joint and what he said, but everything that I'm going to say, you understand, is going to be from the information that I gathered from what I read.
Okay. So what, so... bmf the two brothers start uh they start selling drugs they get big fairly quickly they have multiple people running or working for them it starts growing right like can we start from there well that that part um is not in the paperwork so for this particular part i'm gonna go on um what hearsay is that What's the kind of understood story?
Well, Big Meech and his brother, they wasn't getting no money in Detroit. The niggas in Detroit, it was other niggas in Detroit that wasn't letting them get busy like how they wanted to get busy. So they left Detroit. Not saying they wasn't getting money in Detroit, but it was some bigger players and some more...
robust dudes that, from what I understand, wouldn't let them get down the way they wanted to get down. And then they meet up with Cuffy in St. Louis, and it changes Big Meech and his brother's life. From what everybody is saying, even the cops... in St. Louis. I was watching a YouTube channel on the way down here, The Lighter Side of Blue, which is some St. Louis cops.
They're even going to start talking about this case. And they had a dude on there the other day. I think his name is Joe Cronin. And then another DEA agent. Both of them niggas worked on the case. You understand? So... And even they attested to it that really St. Louis, and even Cuffee says it, Big Meech wasn't getting no real money until he connected with St. Louis, that St.
Louis really put them on. That's what they say.
But that's, I mean, I thought it was out of Atlanta. I thought their case was out of Atlanta, wasn't it? Wasn't it?
Big Meech's case, I think he got prosecuted in the Eastern District of Michigan. Okay. Detroit. Some dudes got prosecuted in LA. Some got prosecuted in St. Louis. Well, he was based out of Atlanta.
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Chapter 3: What are the details surrounding Big Meech's sentencing?
The problem is, unlike the medium, you didn't have to rush to get a seat in the medium because the medium was always empty. Nobody's in the room. You know what I'm saying? There's 40 seats. There's three guys there.
you in the low you rushed it there you know it's filled with fenders so these guys don't want to be hot they don't want to be hot and sweaty they don't want to go outside so they rushed to the library so i would rush to the library and there was one table in the library honestly not bigger than this about the same size as this maybe maybe even a little bit shorter and there were one two three four five six so there's just enough table for six people
Whoever got there first would hold the table down. You know, you grab a bunch of books and throw books on it. Right, right, right. And, you know, and so it's me. So I'm getting there so I can write my true crime stories. And the other guys that were there were all black guys. Almost all of them were there for robbery. I think one guy was there for—come on— The tax... Running the drop.
The tax scam, right? In prison, the tax scam is called the drop. CJ. His name is CJ. So... I would rush there, CJ, whoever got there first would hold the table down. And that was a whole thing in and of itself because people were like, yo, you can't hold the table down.
You got to be like, yeah, bro, if you want to, if you can sit here, but I'm telling you, you don't want to be here when these guys get here. And every once in a while, somebody would sit down. I go, all right, bro. And you know, these guys just walk in and you're, you know, you're a child. Most of these guys are Cho's. You could be a whiny Cho. You're still a Cho.
And you're going to have a six-foot-two black guy who's known for home invasions about to walk in and tell you, you're sitting in my fucking seat. You're going to get up.
Yeah.
I'm getting up. He's going to make you get up. Right. And he'll just walk up and just stand right next to you and stare at you. And these guys, they just get up and run out of that. Because now they've got nowhere to stay. They've got to get out of the library and try and make it to the rec yard before the compound closed.
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Chapter 4: How did 50 Cent become involved with Big Meech?
Because if you're still standing there without a seat when the compound closes, you're going to get a shot. Oh, you know, listen, it was a brutal. Anyway, so I would go there and sit down. And so these other guys, they'd sit there. They're writing urban novels. And I'm kind of like Google. The white guy at the table is Google, right?
Like, you know, every once in a while they ask you some question that I'm thinking, are you serious? And I, you know, but you can't say that. I got to be polite. I don't want to get, you know, that's all I need to do is get slapped in a library. So I said, oh, yeah, no, totally. No, it makes complete sense. Of course, yeah. So the Supreme Court is, you know...
So they would ask questions every once in a while, and I'd answer their questions. I always loved this. They would always fuck with me. You've read the urban novels.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
They're horrible. Come on, honestly. They're the worst. And I mean, Colby, you've never read anything like this. It's brutal. So I was going at it with my Black Python and banging this shit and knocked the wig off that and pumped some babies up in her gut. I mean, it was just horrible, bro. It was horrible. It's like, what are you writing?
And, and so they're, they're writing these things and I'm writing true crime. And I used to always tell them like, you should try and write true crime. You know, you should try and run. They're like, what, what are you talking about? Like, we're writing crime novels. Like, no, no, like real, like you guys have good stories. I even wrote a story about two of the guys.
I'm like, you should write stories. And so I remember one time I was writing a story and they go, this is when I first sat down with them. So I walked and sat down. They couldn't believe it when I sat down and said, hey, you guys are writers, right? Can you mind if I sit here? And they were like, yeah, you can sit here. Yeah, white boy. Yeah, all right.
Like this crowd, you're like, you got some nerve, motherfucker. I'm just like, I'm writing and they're kind of glancing at me. I know they're talking shit and like looking at me and... So anyway, what happened there was I was writing the true crime stories and they're like, oh, what are you working on? You work on illegal works? I said, no, no, I'm writing. I'm writing a true crime.
And I explained it to them. They go, what are you doing? I said, well, I met this kid and I'm writing a story. I'm trying, I'm going to, you know, maybe try and get a book deal or something. They're like, book deal? You're in prison. You ain't getting a book deal.
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Chapter 5: What is the significance of the DEA informant Tammy Cowens?
Okay.
They're just like. She's real. Then suddenly when I was saying, hey, you guys have a good story. I should write your story. They were like, yeah, we're all right. Now it was, yeah, yeah, let's talk about how to write my story. I'm telling them you should write your story. They're like, yeah, I'll write it. Anyway, so those guys, one of those guys was named Kay.
Kay was writing a series of urban novels. I actually had dinner with Kay the other night. And so Kay was writing urban novels, and Kay was friends, I'm going to say friends, with Southwest. And he was trying, they were in the same unit, I think. And he was trying to get Southwest to write, let Kay write his memoir, right? Or a true crime story on him.
Southwest wanted to write a book about kind of almost like a. Not a not a how to book, or I always used to joke it was a self-help book, but basically it was like a financial empowerment. Here's how you run a business by a guy whose only business has been being a drug dealer. And the whole book was about how he was the brains behind BMF. That was the premise of the book.
He wanted Kay to write that book. And I was saying, scrap that. Your story is your story. Like at that time, 50 Cent had optioned or was discussing optioning his brother's story. So it was like, your brother doesn't even have a story written down. He's talking about optioning his life rights.
You should write your story and you could have a competing project or at least you could go to 50 Cent and have your version written down. So I had that conversation with him two or three times. Absolutely not interested and dismissive. Like, no, I ain't doing it. No, no. Like, didn't even want to hear it. Yeah. By the way, Kay did end up writing that book. I don't know whatever happened.
It may be out. I should have asked him about that. He ended up writing the self-help book. I don't know what happened to it. So in those three discussions, that's when I met him and talked to him. So I had no idea prior to meeting him other than Kay. Kay is the one that explained to me Who he was. Who he was. He was like, no. And what he said, he was like, bro, they were huge. They were this.
He's like, 50 Cent's going to do this. He's going to do that. I think he kept saying they're a movie or a series. I felt like he said movie. He's going to do a movie on them. He's this. And at that point, 50 Cent had just come out with a production company. That was right at the beginning. So I didn't know who 50 Cent was, but I didn't know he had a production company.
And if you had told me 50 Cent was coming out with a production company, You know, I would have laughed. I would have been like, right, okay. Well, come on. That's as silly of a notion as 50 Cent's going to come out with a vitamin water and sell it for $100 million. It's not going to happen. So anyway, you know, it's just one of those many, many stupid things I thought.
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Chapter 6: What are the challenges with the BMF case and its informants?
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And that was it. And that was obviously something that Kay and the guys at the table really respected. So that was always my thing that I thought, oh, wow, nobody rolled on each other. They all took 30 years.
Well, if you read... True or not. What's true?
I said, whether it's true or not, that's what I, in my impression at the time,
Yeah. At the sentencing hearing, Big Meech and his brother get into damn near a fist fight in the court, in a room off from the courtroom, because Southwest T doesn't want to take a plea. He wants to go to trial. But Meech comes in out the gate. Take a plea. Taking a 30-year plea, which was the low end of the guideline range for him.
I think, if my memory serves me correctly, I think he was Category 2, Level 42, which... That should be life. Which was 360 to life.
Yeah.
Right? Right.
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Chapter 7: How does the unindicted co-conspirator status impact Big Meech?
I don't know where Southwest T went, but I know Meech, I think his first stop was Jessup, Georgia, because he specifically asked to be close to Atlanta, and the government granted that to him, and I think they sent him to Jessup.
But, you know, what's interesting is a lot of people bring up, and this part is pure speculation, if you look at the number of keys that they were moving, the volume of drugs, you're talking about 2,500 keys a month, you know, and with Big Meech's criminal history, you know, it should have been, a lot of dudes say it should have been life, right?
But, you know, me having done FedTime and you having done FedTime, you know, you... A lot of people want to say, well, it's boilerplate. Whatever this is, this is what it should be. But we all know that the feds make up the rules as they go. And anything can happen. But a lot of people seem to think that he should have got life.
without the possibility of parole based on his criminal history and the volume of drugs that he was... Well, there's no parole in the federal system, so that's irrelevant.
But you know what I'm saying? What I think is if they thought they could go to trial and give you life... they would probably give you 30 years just so they don't have to go to trial, unless it was just egregious and they had such a strong case and it was something like murder or something.
It'd have to be over the top for the feds to choose to go to trial instead of giving you 30, if 30 was within the realm of possibility.
Well, the feds wouldn't choose to go to trial. It'd be the defendant that would choose to go to trial, no? No.
I mean, he could take a plea to the low end, but if you're saying a lot of people said it should have been life, that's basically them saying that you're pleading guilt, that the feds would have come in and said, let's say he fell within life. You're getting life no matter what. He fell within life. His guideline range was 360 to life. Right, but 360 is the low end. That's not life.
I'm saying you're saying he chose 360. You're saying a lot of people said it should have been life. Yeah, but they would have had to go to trial.
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