The Joe Rogan Experience
#2232 - Josh Brolin
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Josh Brolin is a producer, director, writer, and Academy Award-nominated actor. His memoir, "From under the Truck," is available now. https://www.harpercollins.com/products/from-under-the-truck-josh-brolin Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Chapter 1: What is Josh Brolin's new memoir about?
Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.
Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.
Hey, oh. Little Bo Peep, she needed the money. Oh. Oh. Remember how great that was, man? Oh, yeah. When I first met him, it was like one of those weird things where, you know, I mean, you've met a lot of famous people. Some of them, you meet them, you're like, oh, fucking really? Bummer. It's weird.
Oh, there's bummer, too. Yeah, the bummer ones, that sucks.
When you meet someone, they suck. You're like, oh, no, you suck. I know, exactly. Some people just not talk. They should only do what they do, act and sing.
But then you get to know them. I don't know. I'm pretty good at this now where you don't. You see people that you looked up to. Like Eddie Vedder, I had a pretty close relationship with Eddie Vedder. Oh, really? Yeah, but I was drinking and then I would grab his balls and do shit like that. And then it was like, I don't want him around. I don't want Josh around. Yeah. I don't like that anymore.
I don't want my, you know, and I think Sean Penn appreciated shit like that. Like, wow, somebody has the balls. It's not even a little chaos. It's like somebody has the balls to like call me on my shit. Like not everybody's afraid of me.
Oh, right. Yeah, he's probably used to people constantly being afraid of him. Yeah, like, oh, I can't fuck with him. Right. Well, he does wild shit. Like, when he went down to fucking Mexico and met with El Chapo, like, Jesus Christ, dude. That's a fucking wild, reckless thing to do.
And I do think that that's organic, but I think that that's also, you just have that thing where you just go, you know what? Shit's getting boring. Right. The weather's just too fucking nice here. Weather's too nice. I'm too famous. Let's go meet a monster.
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Chapter 2: How does fame affect personal relationships?
Yeah, he knew her. Was he dating her? I don't know. But I think she had a thing with El Chapo. After that? No. Did Sean introduce them properly? I don't know. I think he knew her and she knew him. She knew El Chapo. Oh, right.
I love you.
Yeah. I really enjoyed you in colors. And then next thing you know. What's the most dangerous thing that you do now? What do you think? Dangerous? Yeah. Like we're talking about Sean going out on a limb. Do you find it necessary to go out and do things that like challenge you in a way? Yes.
Challenge your psyche? Yes. In what way? Elk hunting is probably the most exciting. What is? Elk hunting. Elk hunting. Why? Because it puts you in danger? Well, no. It's just really difficult. You know, you're bow hunting in the mountains. Right. And it's just you in the mountains and just fucking mountain lions. Do you stay up there for days and days and days? Yeah. And do you quarter your kill?
Oh, yeah. We pack it out. Yeah. Yeah. See, that's a different thing. People say, I don't like hunting. Personally, I grew up in a very red part of California. Everybody hunts that I grew up with. And I would shoot, and I would hunt with my dad, and I would fucking think about it and dream about it for three weeks. Oh, yeah, I love it. I love it. I love eating it.
No, no, no, I'm saying that I would spiral. Oh, you would get negative with it? Not even, it was negative. Yeah, I guess it would be negative, but it made me think of the kids that were going like, Mom! Mom, are you there? And I just killed the mother. It's like the Bambi kind of thing. Right. But I eat meat.
Mm-hmm.
So that hypocritical thing of like, I don't want to kill anything, but I want you to kill it for me so I can eat it because I really like the way it tastes. Well, that's the anthropomorphization of animals that Disney has kind of done a number on people with. You know, like Bambi and Yogi Bear and all that kind of shit. Cartoons and...
teddy bears and we have a very you know living in uh when you live in urban areas and cities and people you know streets and concrete and people just get a very distorted idea of nature and our relationship with nature and when you're a kid and you're just these are sweet cute things and then all of a sudden you're supposed to go murder one like it's all fucked up but it's what's fucked up is the cartoons i mean they're cute and everything because they depict it in a way how
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Chapter 3: What are the dangers of celebrity culture?
So why is that list not released? That's a very good question. Who has that list? Well, for sure someone has the list. Ghislaine Maxwell's in jail, right? So she must have talked. There must have been conversations. And there must be a bunch of very powerful people that are on that list. Are all the powerful people in cahoots? Something that I learned when I played W.
I played a senator. What was that like? I played W. What is it like playing a guy who's still alive? Did you meet with him or hang out with him at all? Scary. I mean, no, I wanted to. Did you ever meet him? No. God, that's weird, right?
I had the opportunity to meet him afterwards. And there was something about him that was more, I remember when he was like giving candy to Michelle Obama and all that.
Yeah.
It was like a really friendly kind of a mischievous thing. And I was like, I would like to meet him. And then I saw his paintings of his dogs and I said, I don't want to meet him. I just don't. It was something attractive for a moment. What's it about the paintings that got you? I don't know, and I love paintings. I don't know what it was. You didn't like the paintings?
No, it's not that I didn't like the paintings. There's something in the paintings. I don't know what it was, man.
You know what's something in the paintings is I killed a million people with fake weapons of mass destruction. We had a fake story, and I used that story to justify an invasion of a country, and now a million people are dead. So that's the question. And I'm haunted every night. Totally. I just paint dogs.
that are staring like that. Like your face right now is exactly how every eye is in his dog's paintings. It's so funny. That guy must be medicated. They must put him on some things so he could sleep. Is that that look? Does he put into his dog's eyes the look that he has always, or at least that he feels that he has? Like there's a haunted... His lens? His real look behind his eyes, yeah.
How he sees the world, how he's experiencing the world. What is it like running around knowing that you did that? Not just that you did that, but that there's no culpability. Like no one went to jail for that. No one even got brought up on charges.
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Chapter 4: How does Josh Brolin approach mental and physical challenges?
Right when you're born. Right when you're born.
You know, there's also doctors that say it doesn't even really work for babies. But what you're doing is you're conditioning the parents to accept the fact that your child is going to get regularly vaccinated. My doctor, fortunately, our pediatrician wanted to put the kids on a different schedule, a slower schedule. And he didn't want them to have any vaccines until they were two.
Your doctor in California? Yes. But it was not like a quack. It was like, I think the way to do it, I mean, yeah, there's a schedule of vaccines your kids have to get unless you have religious exemption. But let's not assault.
your children with a potential poison because everybody is different. If I take a bong hit, I might end up under the table. If you take a bong hit, you actually may feel smarter and clearer. I remember Dean Potter, who was a climber and he was like, I stopped smoking pot for four months and But when I started smoking pot, I could feel the hold at 2000 feet. Oh, yeah.
Sheer cliff, nothing underneath, no ropes. But I felt more confident. And for me, I go, if I took a bong head up there, I could be four feet up and be freaking out. Right. It's different for everybody. Because everybody has different brains. It's like psychopharmaceuticals. Let's just give them all lithium or let's give them all that. You have to experiment.
The idea of experimenting with that shit is super scary.
It is. It is super scary. And it's also super scary when you're not liable for any of the repercussions. Right. And you're just pushing it on people because you're a corporation, and corporations just want to make money. Their thing is just unlimited growth. They have an obligation. They're shareholders. Every quarter, they want to make more money, and they just keep ramping it up.
I remember Seinfeld talking about that. He was like, I remember back in the 70s and comedy. You know, green rooms and all that. And we'd all be fucking with each other. And it had never had anything to do with money because nobody was really making money. Like money, money. Like tons of money. It was just about what set are you going to do? What are you trying out?
Are you going to fail or are you not going to fail? But it was this community, again, and I think that things have grown into, not that I wanted to talk about this or that I even thought about it before, but... The money thing is a very interesting thing to me. And if you want to take it back to the book, which we can talk about later, it's like the anti-celebrity.
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Chapter 5: What experiences shaped Josh Brolin's career?
Chaos. Full on chaos. Here, let's put the headphones back on. Start from the beginning. Beardy man.
345. 405.
P.M. 415.
Cocaine. Another Dunhill. Lunch. Margaritas.
Lunch.
Taco salad. Dungeon rings. Carrot cake. Ain't fritter. Cocaine. Start snorting cocaine seriously. Drops acid. 11 p.m. I don't know what that is.
Cocaine and grass. Cocaine, et cetera, et cetera. 12 midnight. Hunter S. Thompson is ready to write. 6 a.m. In the hot tub with champagne.
6 a.m.
In the hot tub with champagne. 6 a.m. In the hot tub with champagne. So this is like an electronic dance music song that plays in clubs sometimes. Super funny. When did you do that? Oh, it was a long time ago. Many years ago. Did you ever live like that? No, no. I've never even done coke. Wow. Yeah, I've never fucked around with coke. I like psychedelics. I like weed.
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Chapter 6: How does writing influence creativity and identity?
Yeah, this is the article. Would you send me this article if it's an article article? Yeah, I'll send it to you. I would love that. Yeah. But this is the whole thing.
I mean, what's so great is when you go – I mean, this is kind of popping all over the place. But when you go back and you look at all the politicians, whatever side – you know, whatever red, blue they lean toward, it didn't matter because Hunter was there kind of looking for something different and it wasn't all about him.
When it came down, they all describe Hunter as this like crazy, it was so much fun to hang out with him, but there was never a lack of he was super intelligent and wanted the best for everybody. He was a real patriot. He was a true patriot.
Yeah. Did you ever read Fear and Loathing on the campaign trail? Yeah. That's one of the more interesting pieces because you've got this guy who's following around the campaign trail, and he knows he's only in it for this one time. So he's not like any of these other reporters. He's just writing a book. Yeah, what are you going to do, fire him? Yeah, exactly.
And not only that, you can't because he's going to write a book. Like, he's writing a book. You can't fire him.
Whether you like it or not.
Yeah, whether you like it or not, he's writing that book. But, you know, he's dropping acid. He's talking to these guys into drinking. Like, he's taking all these, like, fucking nerdy political reporters.
Yeah.
And he's introducing them to a perspective that they're not aware of. They don't know anybody like that. And the book is fucking incredible.
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Chapter 7: What lessons does Josh Brolin share about success and failure?
Where is she from originally? She was from Colorado. Okay, so not an L.A. born.
No, no, no. And so she lived in L.A. with me for a while, and we were happy. You know, we lived in Bell Canyon, which was like outside of L.A. It's nice, peaceful, had a little land, coyotes and hawks and shit. But you're still in L.A. ? Yeah, well, for me it was okay because I had quiet where I lived, and then I could drive into the comedy store, and I loved it.
But then when they shut the comedy store down, they shut everything down, and I was like, baby, they're not going to let us go back. This is like these fucking cocksuckers have control now, and that's what they like. That's why they became politicians in the first place. They like telling people they can't work. They have a grip on society, and they're going to fucking keep this grip.
We've got to get the fuck out of here. So did you move sight unseen? Did you move just – Did you just come? Did you find a place? I came looking for... You came and you hung out for a while?
I came looking to see if I could deal with it. We took a few days off and we flew to Austin with some friends who were also thinking about doing it. None of them wound up moving here. A couple of them moved to Dallas. But we came here and then... One of the things that helped, my daughters were 10 and 12 at the time. They were real young, and they were real confused about what was going on in L.A.
It was spooky. You had to wear a mask everywhere, and that freaks kids out. It was freaky. It had a major impact on kids. We came to Texas, no masks. You go to restaurants, and we had this great real estate lady. She's a good friend now. We wanted to see this house, and she took us on a ride on a boat. She had a friend to take us on the lake. We go on the lake. People are playing Leonard Skinner.
They're jumping in the water. They're laughing and singing. And in L.A., everybody's thinking, like, the world's going to end. There's demons in the air.
No, man, I was in New Mexico, and I was out on a 100,000-acre ranch. Whoa. Right? And we were doing Outer Range. We were doing the first season of our show, and we were tested every morning. And when I was out in the middle of nowhere, I mean, with, like, good 15-mile-an-hour winds, you'd have somebody come up. If I put my mask down to talk, you'd have somebody go... Yeah. Yeah.
And I'd be like, we're in the middle of nowhere. Also, it doesn't even work. It doesn't work. It's stupid. I'm not even saying that I have a certain belief system or anything. But in that moment. Yeah. Provable that they don't work. Provable. Yeah. And people lost their fucking minds. And it was a stress test. And so we came out here. I bought a house like quick. And I was here.
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Chapter 8: How does Josh Brolin navigate the complexities of fame?
That's where my mom's boyfriend was drunk and passed out. But it has this, to me, I chose it because it has a double entendre that when you're under a truck, you're either fixing it or getting run over by it. Hence my life. I'm either getting run over by it or fixing it. How did you sort it out? Because you're so together now. Am I? Yeah, I think you are. Thank you. You're fun. Thanks, man.
Fun people are together. If you can be fun, you're together. I think I'm at that place. I found a place that you have always been at that I didn't have. I had the opposite, where you go, no, I didn't do cocaine because... And forget the drugs. It's the mentality. I didn't do cocaine because it would kill me. And I would go, oh, that stuff will kill you.
Yeah.
Let's just walk that line. I always wanted to walk that line. And I had a mother that walked that line. The book is very mother heavy. Very, very mother heavy. And it wasn't intended to be. It just turned out that way. That's why I wanted to... Fuck, I wish I had a book. No worries. I'm alive. I wanted to read you...
a section of the lsd 13 year old lsd thing because it's fun yeah it's juicy yeah you like juicy stuff i do and i want to read you juicy stuff 13 lsd is so wild that's such a crazy mind-blowing experience for a 13 year old to have yeah can you imagine because you look at i mean i had i had kids when i had my first kid i was 20 years old and i was looking at 14 years in prison Oh, my God. Yeah.
Jesus Christ. So that's why I missed my shot out there. I was surprised. It's Johnny Cash. We'll get it. There's Brolin. We're going to order it. Find Josh Brolin's. Oh, yeah. See if it's in there. I think there's a couple. Get a big mental print of it. Not that I'm proud of it. Well, it's part of your life, and it's why you're you today, because you've gone through shitty experiences.
Yeah, but I don't know if they're shitty. That's what I haven't decided whether they're shitty or whether they're necessary for this person to get to this place. And not everybody gets to that place. So we're talking about all these people like Hunter S. Thompson. Hunter S. Thompson is my mother, man. Just that she wasn't a good writer. But everything that you, the song, that was my mom.
My mom had a loaded 9mm at her bedside table all the time. She was part of the, what was the scam that went on in the 80s? The Pyramid Scam. Remember that? She was one of the top five winners of the Pyramid Scam. She could talk anybody into anything. So she would come home literally, man, with bags, with grocery bags full of cash. Wow. And she'd dump it out and she'd say, count. Jesus.
So I would sit there and count. Wow. You know what I mean? And she'd put them and I finally found... I think she had hidden some in her dresser and there was like a loose board that she took away and put money in there and I found it and bought some drums.
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