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140: Revenge Bytes
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My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 32: Just the 32 of Us
Cauliflower has done it again, and pickle lovers, this one's for you. Introducing the first and only frozen dill pickle pizza, and it's going to blow your taste buds away. This one-of-a-kind creation starts with Cauliflower's iconic stone-fired crust, made with real cauliflower florets, now topped with the number one trending flavor of the year.
My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 32: Just the 32 of Us
Picture a luxurious creamy white sauce infused with savory dill pickle brine, garlic roasted to perfection, Melty mozzarella cheese and fresh dill. It's a flavor explosion that's as unique as it is craveable. And because it's Kali Power, you know it's made better for you. It's gluten-free, clean label, and packed with 14 grams of protein.
My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 32: Just the 32 of Us
And best of all, you can eat half the pizza for just 400 calories. Find Kali Power's Dill Pickle Pizza now at Whole Foods Market nationwide. It's time to taste the buzz everyone's talking about, and it's kind of a big deal.
My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 32: Just the 32 of Us
Cauliflower has done it again, and pickle lovers, this one's for you. Introducing the first and only frozen dill pickle pizza, and it's going to blow your taste buds away. This one-of-a-kind creation starts with Cauliflower's iconic stone-fired crust, made with real cauliflower florets, now topped with the number one trending flavor of the year.
My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 32: Just the 32 of Us
Picture a luxurious creamy white sauce infused with savory dill pickle brine, garlic roasted to perfection, It's gluten-free, clean label, and packed with 14 grams of protein. And best of all, you can eat half the pizza for just 400 calories. Find Caulipower's Dill Pickle Pizza now at Whole Foods Market nationwide. It's time to taste the buzz everyone's talking about, and it's kind of a big deal.
My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 32: Just the 32 of Us
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My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 32: Just the 32 of Us
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Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 32: Just the 32 of Us
Elvis, do you want a cookie? Introducing pickle lovers' newest obsession, Cauliflower's Dill Pickle Pizza. Think luxurious bechamel sauce infused with dill pickle brine, roasted garlic, melty mozzarella, and fresh dill on Cauliflower's stone-fired cauliflower crust. And because it's Cauliflower, you know it's made better for you.
My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 32: Just the 32 of Us
Packed with 14 grams of protein, and you can eat half the pizza for just 400 calories. Don't miss the flavor everyone's talking about and grab Cauliflower's Dill Pickle Pizza. Now available at Whole Foods Market.
My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 27: Your Hometown Murder Email Round-Up
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Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 27: Your Hometown Murder Email Round-Up
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My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 27: Your Hometown Murder Email Round-Up
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My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 31: Namaste Sexy
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My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 31: Namaste Sexy
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My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 31: Namaste Sexy
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My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 31: Namaste Sexy
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My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 31: Namaste Sexy
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My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 31: Namaste Sexy
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My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 31: Namaste Sexy
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Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 31: Namaste Sexy
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My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 31: Namaste Sexy
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Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 31: Namaste Sexy
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Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 31: Namaste Sexy
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Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 31: Namaste Sexy
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Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 31: Namaste Sexy
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Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 31: Namaste Sexy
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Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 31: Namaste Sexy
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My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 31: Namaste Sexy
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Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 31: Namaste Sexy
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Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 31: Namaste Sexy
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My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 31: Namaste Sexy
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Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 31: Namaste Sexy
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Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 31: Namaste Sexy
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Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 31: Namaste Sexy
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Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 31: Namaste Sexy
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Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 31: Namaste Sexy
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Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 31: Namaste Sexy
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Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 31: Namaste Sexy
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My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 31: Namaste Sexy
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My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 26: Twenty Six Six Six
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My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 26: Twenty Six Six Six
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My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
465 - You’re Kidding Yourself, Supt
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465 - You’re Kidding Yourself, Supt
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My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
465 - You’re Kidding Yourself, Supt
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My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
465 - You’re Kidding Yourself, Supt
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My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
465 - You’re Kidding Yourself, Supt
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My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
465 - You’re Kidding Yourself, Supt
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My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
465 - You’re Kidding Yourself, Supt
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My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
465 - You’re Kidding Yourself, Supt
Thank you, Maren McGlashan for being such a good researcher. All right. Well, we're going to change gears.
My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
465 - You’re Kidding Yourself, Supt
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My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
465 - You’re Kidding Yourself, Supt
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My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
465 - You’re Kidding Yourself, Supt
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My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
467 - Nipper & The Hat
Cauliflower has done it again, and pickle lovers, this one's for you. Introducing the first and only frozen dill pickle pizza, and it's going to blow your taste buds away. This one-of-a-kind creation starts with Cauliflower's iconic stone-fired crust, made with real cauliflower florets, now topped with the number one trending flavor of the year.
My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
467 - Nipper & The Hat
Picture a luxurious creamy white sauce infused with savory dill pickle brine, garlic roasted to perfection, It's gluten-free, clean label, and packed with 14 grams of protein. And best of all, you can eat half the pizza for just 400 calories. Find Caulipower's Dill Pickle Pizza now at Whole Foods Market nationwide. It's time to taste the buzz everyone's talking about, and it's kind of a big deal.
My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
467 - Nipper & The Hat
Introducing pickle lovers' newest obsession, Cauliflower's Dill Pickle Pizza. Think luxurious bechamel sauce infused with dill pickle brine, roasted garlic, melty mozzarella, and fresh dill on Cauliflower's stone-fired cauliflower crust. And because it's Cauliflower, you know it's made better for you. Packed with 14 grams of protein, and you can eat half the pizza for just 400 calories.
My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
467 - Nipper & The Hat
Don't miss the flavor everyone's talking about and grab Cauliflower's Dill Pickle Pizza. Now available at Whole Foods Market.
My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
467 - Nipper & The Hat
Cauliflower has done it again, and pickle lovers, this one's for you. Introducing the first and only frozen dill pickle pizza, and it's going to blow your taste buds away. This one-of-a-kind creation starts with Cauliflower's iconic stone-fired crust, made with real cauliflower florets, now topped with the number one trending flavor of the year.
My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
467 - Nipper & The Hat
Picture a luxurious creamy white sauce infused with savory dill pickle brine, garlic roasted to perfection, Melty mozzarella cheese and fresh dill. It's a flavor explosion that's as unique as it is craveable. And because it's Kali Power, you know it's made better for you. It's gluten-free, clean label, and packed with 14 grams of protein.
My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
467 - Nipper & The Hat
And best of all, you can eat half the pizza for just 400 calories. Find Kali Power's Dill Pickle Pizza now at Whole Foods Market nationwide. It's time to taste the buzz everyone's talking about, and it's kind of a big deal.
My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
MFM Minisode 420
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My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
MFM Minisode 420
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My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
MFM Minisode 420
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My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
MFM Minisode 414
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My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
MFM Minisode 414
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My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
MFM Minisode 414
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MFM Minisode 414
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MFM Minisode 421
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My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
MFM Minisode 421
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Office Ladies Announcement & Lazy Genius’ It’s a New Year… Let’s Name What’s Working
We care about who we are right now in this life we live in. We care about remembering that we do actually have things in life that are working. We can find our way out of early January discouragement of all we want to change. Instead, we're going to name what's working. So use these questions if they help. All right, the second question you might ask is, what do I like about this?
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Office Ladies Announcement & Lazy Genius’ It’s a New Year… Let’s Name What’s Working
Let's keep joy and pleasure and ease in mind here. What do you like about this thing that's working? Taking a lunch break every day works so well for me because it solves the problem of not always slowing down on purpose. What do I like about it? Well, I like food. So there's that. It's nice that it's lunchtime.
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Office Ladies Announcement & Lazy Genius’ It’s a New Year… Let’s Name What’s Working
But I also like that there are no expectations for me for that lunch hour that I take. I can eat and watch a show or eat and read a book or eat and sit on my porch in silence for a few minutes before going inside to watch a show or read a book. I like that I can do what I need to do in the moment. But whatever I choose is genuinely enjoyable to me. Name what you like about a thing that's working.
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Office Ladies Announcement & Lazy Genius’ It’s a New Year… Let’s Name What’s Working
Put some meat on its bones as to why. It gives it more staying power and personal enjoyment that way. Remember, perspective really matters here. And a third question you might ask to help you understand what's working is, how does this make me feel like myself? Not everything might, and that's fine.
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Office Ladies Announcement & Lazy Genius’ It’s a New Year… Let’s Name What’s Working
But in order to slowly nurture an integrated life that is rooted in your own humanity and what matters most to you in your season, it's not a ridiculous thing to consider how your decisions and rhythms and systems make you feel like yourself. You might say this thing makes me feel calm, which keeps me from going outside of myself in a rage.
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Office Ladies Announcement & Lazy Genius’ It’s a New Year… Let’s Name What’s Working
This thing makes me feel creative, even though I'm doing something mundane because I'm doing it in a unique way that's working for me. You see what I mean? Also, a lot of you often ask me how to figure out what makes you feel like yourself. Sometimes I think we put too much pressure on that question or on the feeling.
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Office Ladies Announcement & Lazy Genius’ It’s a New Year… Let’s Name What’s Working
When something makes you feel like yourself, it might not be the most happy, fulfilled, unicorns and rainbows version of yourself. You might feel like yourself because of the house rule, no piles on the kitchen island. Visual clutter might take you out of yourself. So visual tidiness, especially in commonly used spaces like the kitchen, makes you feel more connected to yourself.
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Office Ladies Announcement & Lazy Genius’ It’s a New Year… Let’s Name What’s Working
It doesn't have to be technicolor to count. So three questions that could help give a little insight into why something is working are, what problem is this solving? What do I like about this? And how does this make me feel like myself? Now, you might be ready to start naming this in your life, but you might feel a little scattershot about it.
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Office Ladies Announcement & Lazy Genius’ It’s a New Year… Let’s Name What’s Working
You know, you're a pinball within the machine of your life, just like freely associating what's working as one idea pings into another. And that's honestly a great way to do it. This does not have to be a detailed homework assignment. It's ultimately, it's just a posture. Just name what's working. Look for what's working. Don't focus so hard on what's not. So ping away. If you want to ping, ping.
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Office Ladies Announcement & Lazy Genius’ It’s a New Year… Let’s Name What’s Working
Now, if you'd like to be a bit more methodical or you would enjoy a new way of looking at the areas in your life so you don't miss anything, even though you totally will, here are three categories that you could consider. Time of day, regular events, and rooms in your house. Now, these are broad on purpose.
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Office Ladies Announcement & Lazy Genius’ It’s a New Year… Let’s Name What’s Working
They're simply doors you can walk through to kind of help you notice and narrow your focus on what you would like to notice. So category one, the time of day, all right? Mornings, mid-morning, if you're home with tiny humans, after school, transitioning from work to home, dinner, bedtime routine, evenings, et cetera, et cetera. Start your thinking at one time of day and just look around.
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Office Ladies Announcement & Lazy Genius’ It’s a New Year… Let’s Name What’s Working
You can even live in it. Like tomorrow morning, pay attention to what's working. What do you see that's solving a problem? What do you see that you like? What do you see that makes you feel like yourself or make someone else in your home feel like themselves?
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Office Ladies Announcement & Lazy Genius’ It’s a New Year… Let’s Name What’s Working
Being present at a certain time of day or using your imagination and memory for that particular time of day, it can help you notice what's working. Category two, regular events. What tasks or events or activities happen on a regular basis? Meals, meals are very regular.
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Office Ladies Announcement & Lazy Genius’ It’s a New Year… Let’s Name What’s Working
Carpool or commuting, regular meetings, decide once gatherings like messaging friends while you're waiting for your groceries to be loaded into your car or like actually going grocery shopping with a friend every Tuesday or whatever it is. Look on your calendar if you use one or just pay attention to the regular things in life. And notice what's working in there.
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Office Ladies Announcement & Lazy Genius’ It’s a New Year… Let’s Name What’s Working
And then category three is rooms in your house or rooms in your life. Different rooms have different functions. So literally walking into a room in your home, it can help you notice what's working there. There could be decorating decisions or cozy decisions that make you really happy. Maybe you think of tasks that are often done in that particular room.
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Office Ladies Announcement & Lazy Genius’ It’s a New Year… Let’s Name What’s Working
You know, what about cleaning that specific room? Walk into a room in your house, pause, and ask yourself, what's working in here? What happens in here that's working? What do I like about this room? What do I like about what happens in this room? These can be physical rooms in your own home, but they can also be like your car or your desk at work or any physical space you spend time in.
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Office Ladies Announcement & Lazy Genius’ It’s a New Year… Let’s Name What’s Working
What's working here? So those are the three rules, three questions, and three categories. The three rules are the smaller, the better. Working doesn't mean perfect. And now isn't forever. When you're naming what's working, keep those three things in mind. The three questions that might help you identify why something is working are what problem is this solving? What do I like about this?
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Office Ladies Announcement & Lazy Genius’ It’s a New Year… Let’s Name What’s Working
And how does this make me feel like myself? And then the three categories that could help you narrow your focus are times of day, regular events, and rooms in your home and life. So what do you do now? The point of these ideas is not to fix things. In fact, it's the opposite. We are noticing what's working so that we stop the spin out of thinking that everything isn't
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Office Ladies Announcement & Lazy Genius’ It’s a New Year… Let’s Name What’s Working
This time of year has us in our heads about fresh starts and big changes. And again, while those are totally fine, begin where you are. Begin with what's working. Celebrate it. Notice it. So often when we see how many things might be working, we calm down a little about what isn't.
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Office Ladies Announcement & Lazy Genius’ It’s a New Year… Let’s Name What’s Working
So even though you could, in theory, go through your entire life with the three rules in mind and ask all three of those questions, I don't think that's necessary. That's not starting small anyway. Pay attention to the area of your life that has the biggest pull for you to make it better. Stay in that place and instead name what's working. Be where you are.
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Office Ladies Announcement & Lazy Genius’ It’s a New Year… Let’s Name What’s Working
Be kind about the things already in place. Refresh your perspective on the things in your life that do in fact solve your problems. Things that you like that make you feel like yourself. Be who you are and where you are today. You're doing great. If you'd like a peek into what's working for me on a really practical level, episode 349 is called 10 small changes I'm glad I made.
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Office Ladies Announcement & Lazy Genius’ It’s a New Year… Let’s Name What’s Working
And then episode 366 is 20 helpful decisions I keep repeating. Those are practical, practical lists of what's working in my life. And many of them have been working for years. The tiny solutions, the small changes, the decisions you make once that still work. Those are the parts of a steady system. that you don't have to keep starting over on. So be where you are. Notice what's happening today.
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Office Ladies Announcement & Lazy Genius’ It’s a New Year… Let’s Name What’s Working
Celebrate the changes you've made. The smaller, the better. Working doesn't mean perfect and now isn't forever. That's how we start a new year. Let's name what's working. One thing I know a lot of you do at the end of December and the beginning of January is to reread The Lazy Genius Way. I mentioned that last week. I love that y'all do that.
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Office Ladies Announcement & Lazy Genius’ It’s a New Year… Let’s Name What’s Working
It's something that works for you and it's humbling and fun for me. So thank you. Having a refresher on the 13 Lazy Genius Principles as you're going into a new year, it really is helpful. If you have never read my first book, The Lazy Genius Way, it dedicates a chapter to each of the 13 lazy genius principles.
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Office Ladies Announcement & Lazy Genius’ It’s a New Year… Let’s Name What’s Working
Decide once, start small, ask the magic question, live in the season, build the right routines, set house rules, put everything in its place, let people in, batch it, essentialize, go in the right order, and be kind to yourself. It's the little engine that could book just plugging along still selling copies over four years later.
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Office Ladies Announcement & Lazy Genius’ It’s a New Year… Let’s Name What’s Working
If you've never read it, but you have thought about it now is a really good time to do it. I read the audio book. So if that's more your speed to listen as you're like taking down holiday decorations or going for wintry walks or trying to keep your children entertained before school goes back, give it a shot. I think you'll enjoy it. This is also an excellent time of year to read the plan.
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Office Ladies Announcement & Lazy Genius’ It’s a New Year… Let’s Name What’s Working
It's all about compassionate time management, helping you rewire your thinking from optimization and greatness and making the most out of your time to just being a grounded whole person right where you are. Being okay with some things being great and others just being mid. It's practical, permission giving and full of pep talks to get you through any January chaos you might experience.
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Office Ladies Announcement & Lazy Genius’ It’s a New Year… Let’s Name What’s Working
I read that audiobook too. But I think for the plan, you'll be so glad you have the physical copy. So thanks for reading my books and supporting my work, y'all. It means a lot. Okay, before we go, let's celebrate the lazy genius of the week. This week, it's Ashley Eidson with a super interesting approach to holiday gift giving that actually matters a little right now at the beginning of the year.
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Office Ladies Announcement & Lazy Genius’ It’s a New Year… Let’s Name What’s Working
Ashley writes, every year, my husband and I save up our credit card rewards across a few different cards and we don't spend them all year. Then when it is Christmas time, the amount we have in rewards is our budget. We know how many gifts we need to buy each year. We know how much we have, and that's how we divide it up.
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Office Ladies Announcement & Lazy Genius’ It’s a New Year… Let’s Name What’s Working
Some years we've had to make some decisions like not getting gifts for every coworker in the office, but it always seems to work out where the people we wanna give gifts to comes very close to our total. Last year, we had a little bit higher rewards total and we were able to buy some presents for ourselves at the end of the year on top of everything else we purchased.
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Office Ladies Announcement & Lazy Genius’ It’s a New Year… Let’s Name What’s Working
Hope this helps someone else enjoy the holiday season without stressing about breaking the bank with the regular monthly bills and expenses. What a fantastic idea this is. Can you see why I wanted to share this one like right now at the start of the year? This could be a fantastic approach for a lot of us when it comes to holiday budgets. The rewards just do it for you.
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Office Ladies Announcement & Lazy Genius’ It’s a New Year… Let’s Name What’s Working
Love how practical and helpful this is. So thank you for sharing Ashley and congratulations on being the lazy genius of the week. This episode is hosted by me, Kendra Adachi and executive produced by Kendra Adachi, Jenna Fisher and Angela Kinsey. The Lazy Genius Podcast is enthusiastically part of the Office Ladies Network. Special thanks to Leah Jarvis for weekly production.
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Office Ladies Announcement & Lazy Genius’ It’s a New Year… Let’s Name What’s Working
Thanks y'all for listening. And until next time, be a genius about the things that matter and lazy about the things that don't. I'm Kendra and I'll see you next week.
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Office Ladies Announcement & Lazy Genius’ It’s a New Year… Let’s Name What’s Working
Hey there, you're listening to the Lazy Genius Podcast. I'm Kendra Adachi, and I'm here to help you be a genius about the things that matter and lazy about the things that don't. Today is episode 399. It's a new year. Let's name what's working.
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Office Ladies Announcement & Lazy Genius’ It’s a New Year… Let’s Name What’s Working
Today is the first Monday of January, which might feel any number of ways for you, but just in case you have scattered, oh no, it's the first Monday of January energy, or if you need a reminder that you don't have to chase greatness at the gate, this episode is for you. The beginning of the year, or the beginning of anything,
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Office Ladies Announcement & Lazy Genius’ It’s a New Year… Let’s Name What’s Working
often has us rethinking our routines and rhythms and systems and choices to see if there's anything we want to change. That path is well and good and likely necessary on occasion. I love identifying small problems, applying small solutions, adjusting over time, and then slowly building rhythms and systems that work from those small decisions.
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Office Ladies Announcement & Lazy Genius’ It’s a New Year… Let’s Name What’s Working
It's a slower go compared to big black trash bag energy where you just start everything over, but it lasts longer because you don't keep starting everything over. So before you start to put on your problem solving glasses, utilizing that new year, January energy to make everything fresh and ready to begin, let's name what's working. Okay.
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Office Ladies Announcement & Lazy Genius’ It’s a New Year… Let’s Name What’s Working
I have three rules, three questions, and three categories to help you think this through. You can take whatever helps and just leave the rest. You can be as detailed as you want and write stuff down, or you can just think about it in your head, decide that this particular thing is working really well, high five yourself and move on.
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Office Ladies Announcement & Lazy Genius’ It’s a New Year… Let’s Name What’s Working
You use the content in this episode in whatever combination and intensity you want. So three rules, three questions, three categories. Let's start with the three rules. Rule number one, when you're naming what's working, the smaller, the better. Naming small things that are working in your life are weirdly powerful.
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Office Ladies Announcement & Lazy Genius’ It’s a New Year… Let’s Name What’s Working
You might try and say breakfast is working pretty well, but the specificity and smallness of having muffins in the freezer and protein yogurt drinks in the fridge are working super well for everybody. The smaller the thing, the greater the opportunity for you to truly understand what is working. You can see the particular moving parts of the thing rather than just like a large, ambiguous category.
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Office Ladies Announcement & Lazy Genius’ It’s a New Year… Let’s Name What’s Working
So rule number one, the smaller, the better. Rule number two, when you're naming what's working, working doesn't mean perfect. We're naming what's working. We're not naming what's perfect. Very little is and very little will be. Perfect is relative and arbitrary anyway. So as you assess and decide what's working in your life, be kind about that word. Working doesn't mean perfect. It's working.
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Office Ladies Announcement & Lazy Genius’ It’s a New Year… Let’s Name What’s Working
It might be a little janky and how it's working, but it's working. Don't be so hard on yourself. Rule number three, when you're naming what's working, now isn't forever. What's working now might not and likely won't work forever. That can swing both ways. You can have something you love that's working now. And also it's good to remember that we have to hold these things with an open hand.
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Office Ladies Announcement & Lazy Genius’ It’s a New Year… Let’s Name What’s Working
It might not work forever, but we'll enjoy it now while it does. Or if you do have something that's working, but it's connected to something in your season of life that's frustrating to you and you wish it were different, that's okay. Now isn't forever. It probably won't always be this way. So try not to resent where you are. Either way, now isn't forever.
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Office Ladies Announcement & Lazy Genius’ It’s a New Year… Let’s Name What’s Working
So those are your three rules as you move into naming what's working. The smaller, the better. Working doesn't mean perfect. And now isn't forever. With that perspective in mind, let's move to the three questions you can ask to help you narrow your focus on what specifically is working in the categories that we'll name in a minute. The three questions are, what problem does this solve?
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Office Ladies Announcement & Lazy Genius’ It’s a New Year… Let’s Name What’s Working
What do I like about this? And how does this make me feel like myself? First, what problem does this solve? When you're looking at an area of your life and you're identifying what's working there, naming the solved problem could be super beneficial. Maybe it's solving a problem that you've had for a long time and naming that the problem is solved is worth celebrating.
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Office Ladies Announcement & Lazy Genius’ It’s a New Year… Let’s Name What’s Working
Maybe it's solving a problem that you're spotting in other places. So seeing the success of your solution in one place, it might help you get ideas for another place. Essentially like what problem does this thing that's working solve for you? We have a drink spinner on our counter. It's just a wooden Lazy Susan on the edge of our kitchen island.
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Office Ladies Announcement & Lazy Genius’ It’s a New Year… Let’s Name What’s Working
And I put it there years ago to try and solve the small problem of glasses and water bottles being all over the house. Kids would leave bottles and cups on random surfaces. They'd be in different places in the kitchen, which made the kitchen feel visually cluttered. It was a small problem, but an annoying one.
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Office Ladies Announcement & Lazy Genius’ It’s a New Year… Let’s Name What’s Working
So I thought that a great way to maybe solve this small problem would be with a small solution of one place where the cups and water bottles go. They have a holding pen. And unless they're being used, that's where they live all together. It's like one big beverage family. The drink spinner works beautifully now.
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Office Ladies Announcement & Lazy Genius’ It’s a New Year… Let’s Name What’s Working
It took a while for kids to remember, but it has become second nature to everyone in our house. Your cups and water bottles, they live on the drink spinner. End of story. If I walked into my kitchen and I noticed that drink spinner as I'm looking at my life and being like, you know what, what's working? Let's celebrate what's working.
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Office Ladies Announcement & Lazy Genius’ It’s a New Year… Let’s Name What’s Working
I would say this is working because it's all the problem of keeping track of cups, but also of my silent rage about seeing cups everywhere. Let's say I have silent rage about something else that seems to live all over the house. Noticing how the drink spinner is working helps me recognize a small solution for a separate small problem.
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Office Ladies Announcement & Lazy Genius’ It’s a New Year… Let’s Name What’s Working
So as you're identifying what's working, that's the first specific question to help you see why it does. What problem does this solve?
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Office Ladies Announcement & Lazy Genius’ It’s a New Year… Let’s Name What’s Working
Before we get into the second question, let me remind you again that you don't have to be precious or orderly or organized with these questions. You don't even have to try to answer any of them. They're more for those of you who need a little clarity and trying to identify what's working. And we do this anyway, because we care about today.
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An Interview with Kathy Bates
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All About Pam Beesley
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Only on DraftKings. The crown is yours. Gambling problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER. In New York, call 877-8-HOPE-N-Y or text HOPE-N-Y 467-369. In Connecticut, help is available for problem gambling. Call 888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org. Please play responsibly. On behalf of Boot Hill Casino and Resort in Kansas, 21 and over. Age and eligibility varies by jurisdiction. Void in Ontario. New customers only.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
Exactly. It's like every day. It's like, oh, my God, this is happening. What do you think the drones are? What do you think the drones are? You know, how much did Nancy Pelosi make this week in the stock market?
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#2247 - Duncan Trussell
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Robinhood is introducing forecast contracts so you can trade the presidential election. Through Robinhood, you can now trade financial derivatives contracts on who will win the U.S. presidential election, Harris or Trump, and watch as contract prices react to real-time market sentiment. Each contract you own will pay $1 on January 8, 2025, if that candidate is confirmed as the next U.S.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Robinhood is introducing forecast contracts so you can trade the presidential election. Through Robinhood, you can now trade financial derivatives contracts on who will win the U.S. presidential election, Harris or Trump, and watch as contract prices react to real-time market sentiment. Each contract you own will pay $1 on January 8, 2025, if that candidate is confirmed as the next U.S.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Commodity interest trading is not appropriate for everyone. Displayed prices are based on real-time market sentiment. This event contract is offered by Robinhood Derivatives. A registered futures commission merchant and swap firm. Exchange and regulatory fees apply. Learn more at Robinhood.com slash election.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
president by Congress. Learn more about the presidential election contracts on Robinhood at Robinhood.com slash election. The risk of loss in trading commodities interest can be substantial. You should therefore carefully consider whether such trading is suitable for you in light of your financial condition. Restrictions and eligibility requirements apply.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Commodity interest trading is not appropriate for everyone. Displayed prices are based on real-time market sentiment. This event contract is offered by Robinhood Derivatives. a registered futures commission merchant and swap firm. Exchange and regulatory fees apply. Learn more at Robinhood.com slash election.
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#2274 - Mike Baker
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#2274 - Mike Baker
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#2274 - Mike Baker
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Robin Hood is introducing forecast contracts so you can trade the presidential election. Through Robinhood, you can now trade financial derivatives contracts on who will win the U.S. presidential election, Harris or Trump, and watch as contract prices react to real-time market sentiment. Each contract you own will pay $1 on January 8, 2025, if that candidate is confirmed as the next U.S.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Commodity interest trading is not appropriate for everyone. Displayed prices are based on real-time market sentiment. This event contract is offered by Robinhood Derivatives. a registered futures commission merchant and swap firm. Exchange and regulatory fees apply. Learn more at Robinhood.com slash election.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
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#2214 - Shane Smith
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Hey, Joe, it's the replacer. Yeah. No, you. Hey, I'm going to take it from here so you can enjoy some Call of Duty Black Ops 6. Great. Now, listen up, folks. Life can be chaotic, but you shouldn't have to miss out on the latest Call of Duty just because you've got, I don't know, responsibilities. That's where I come in. I will handle the boring stuff like works, chores, even podcast ads.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
So you can dive right into the fight. Call of Duty Black Ops 6 is out October 25th. So dive in because I've got your back. Remember, I replace you, Blade. It's that simple.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
And he goes, do me a favor, Mr. President, if you're ever selling arms to people who hate us- jot it down it's pretty good it's pretty good it's like he goes make a note put it on your refrigerator yeah
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Robinhood is introducing forecast contracts so you can trade the presidential election. Through Robinhood, you can now trade financial derivatives contracts on who will win the U.S. presidential election, Harris or Trump, and watch as contract prices react to real-time market sentiment. Each contract you own will pay $1 on January 8, 2025, if that candidate is confirmed as the next U.S.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
president by Congress. Learn more about the presidential election contracts on Robinhood at Robinhood.com slash election. The risk of loss in trading commodities interest can be substantial. You should therefore carefully consider whether such trading is suitable for you in light of your financial condition. Restrictions and eligibility requirements apply.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Commodity interest trading is not appropriate for everyone. Displayed prices are based on real-time market sentiment. This event contract is offered by Robinhood Derivatives. A registered futures commission merchant and swap firm. Exchange and regulatory fees apply. Learn more at Robinhood.com slash election.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Hey, Joe, it's the replacer. Yeah. No, you. Hey, I'm going to take it from here so you can enjoy some Call of Duty Black Ops 6. Great. Now, listen up, folks. Life can be chaotic, but you shouldn't have to miss out on the latest Call of Duty just because you've got, I don't know, responsibilities. That's where I come in. I will handle the boring stuff like works, chores, even podcast ads.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
So you can dive right into the fight. Call of Duty Black Ops 6 is out October 25th. So dive in because I've got your back. Remember, I replace you, Blade. It's that simple.
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#2257 - Bryan Callen
house, your emergency, whether it's a medical call or a fire call, that looks like you. It gives that person a little bit more ease, knowing that somebody might understand their situation better. Is she strong enough to do this? Or you couldn't carry my husband out of a fire. Which my response is, he got himself in the wrong place if I have to carry him out of a fire.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Yeah, good to be here, man. So, let's take, first of all,
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#2298 - Kurt Metzger
In front of everyone, one of my Freemason brothers, the billionaire, is going to actually... We're bringing in over half a billion dollars from offshore, from Malta and Gibraltar to fund my campaign. You know my campaign only needs a million dollars to go into the primary and another five or six for the midterm.
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#2298 - Kurt Metzger
We're bringing in half a billion dollars because they understand how fucking serious it is to keep our country intact.
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#2298 - Kurt Metzger
And with that kind of money, I'm going to have 24-7... Two former Secret Service officers up my ass, unless I'm taking a shit in the morning. And I don't want to do this. I don't want to know about this, but... Oh, we have access to a hit squad, too. Ukrainians and Russians.
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#2298 - Kurt Metzger
But this shit is getting... And I don't want me to be on the wrong side of it.
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#2298 - Kurt Metzger
But I'm just saying, don't get caught in public like supporting Luna because Luna supporters are going, Luna's going to go down. And I hope it's by herself.
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#2298 - Kurt Metzger
Just keep them on the line. Right before the primary. If the poll says Luna's going to win, she's going to be gone. She's going to disappear.
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#2298 - Kurt Metzger
The few. For the better of the good of the majority of the people.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
No, I recognize that even though they're both called feline, there is a distinction between the two. I don't categorize them as an exemplar of the same identity. Whereas what these people play is, you're an immigrant, why do you rail against immigrants? So isn't it... Is it astonishing that you could have such shoddy thinking that you're unable to recognize what I just said?
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#2263 - Gad Saad
It doesn't make any sense. The perfect example of this kind of parasitic idea and suicidal empathy is that bishop that just spoke that kind of lecture, Trump. They're your dishwashers. But nobody's questioning that there might be lovely people. That doesn't take away from the fact that you shouldn't have an open border policy.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
But she's so committed to empathy that she views any position contrary to complete capitulation of your border as non-empathetic.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
Right, exactly. Well, it's not empathetic to the, I think, 900 biological women who lost medals. Did you see that study? Yeah. Right?
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#2263 - Gad Saad
I satirized this in The Parasitic Mind where I said that through transgravity, I identify as much smaller weight than I really am, and through trans-ageism, I am an eight-year-old boy, so I'm competing in the under-eight judo competition.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
So at Concordia, which is my home university, right? I'm now at Northwood, but my home university had last May a one-day symposium on menstrual equity because menstruation is a human right. What the fuck does that mean?
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#2263 - Gad Saad
I'll send you privately. It's a human right. It's a human right. Until that symposium, women had been stopped from menstruating in Canada. What does that mean?
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#2263 - Gad Saad
Well, unfortunately for us in Canada, unlike you guys have the savior Trump, yes, Trudeau has resigned officially or won't be running the country for much longer. But we're much further down the woke abyss than you guys are. It's a cautionary tale. Yeah, exactly. So I think, yes, Pierre Poilievre will be an obvious massive improvement over Trudeau. Is that how you say it?
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#2263 - Gad Saad
I mean, if you say it with a proper French accent, yeah, it's poilievre.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
What's the wrong way to say it? Every other way that an American or English Canadian would say it.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
That one was great. But of course, the classic one is the apple.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
That was great. That was like straight out of a spaghetti Western.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
I mean, I think it will, but it will be a longer auto-correction.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
By the way, do you know that I posted a post on Twitter, on X, where I tagged Trump and I said, Dear Donald Trump, look, can you invade Canada? It won't take more than four to six committed Marines or something like that, like really to show how wimpy we are. And if you saw the tagging of Concordia that I got on X because people were saying, you have a Canadian professor who is being treasonous.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
I don't think I've seen you in many years ever engage anyone on X, right?
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#2263 - Gad Saad
Like, that would be fun to just talk to a person. I mean, obviously you've spoken to thousands of people for three-hour chunks. Do you think, had you had the opportunity, you would have been able to pull out three hours of – worthwhile conversation with her? I don't know.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
Is this something that you adhere to even in your personal relationships? Yeah. Okay.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
Well, so I think it was Henry Kissinger who said this. To your point, he said, never are the battles so fierce as when the stakes are so low. So I think it speaks to your point, right? So people get all animated and...
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#2263 - Gad Saad
So I had one negative interaction that sat very badly with me after the fact. And I think we've now cleared it. So to your point about not going after someone. Mm-hmm. I mean, usually, you know, I'm a very affable guy and warm and the whole thing. But sometimes if somebody pisses me off, I just kind of- Call him a fucking retard. Call him a fucking retard. But usually not someone that I know.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
That's true. But usually if I call you a retard, it's because you've been kind of doing stuff endlessly after me. Right. So you don't punch a guy if he just slaps you one time. But if he slaps you 18 times, you're probably going to-
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#2263 - Gad Saad
We're in Austin, so there was a point where Lex Friedman was doing all the love will conquer everything stuff. And it was pissing me off because it was in the context of, let's say, the Middle East, where I come from, where I know that love doesn't conquer all. And so that shtick was getting me angry.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
And so I kind of went after him, not like in a mean way calling him names, but I said, you know, it's kind of infantile to think that love conquers everywhere or something. And then he got upset and then had blocked me. And that never sat well with me, not because he had blocked me, but because I don't like to have, you know, maintaining a bad vibe with someone. Right.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
I don't know if I'm still blocked. I bet you're still blocked.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
But to his credit, and I think mine, we kind of kissed and made up. And he said, oh, you know, if you ever come to Austin, you know, I'm always happy to talk to you. And I'd love to. And I'm a fan of your work. And we haven't been able to connect. I'll connect you. Thank you. I'll connect you. But that makes.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
So to your point, that made me feel better because there was like this negativity, even though I'd never met him and I don't know him. I don't like that there's a guy that exists that is in any way upset at something that I said about him. Right, right. He's not a Nazi. He's not an Islamist terrorist. I don't want that. And so I take your point, and I'm glad we patched, we cleared up.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
Haven't cleared it up yet with our mutual buddy. Oh, yeah, that guy? The Malibu meditator. Yeah.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
But even, I've really toyed with just sending him an email. And it doesn't matter. It's not like he's in my close personal circle of friends. But I don't like having, so I want to say, hey, buddy, you know, there's no hard feelings between. You think I should do it? Yeah, why not? Yeah, exactly.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
enjoyable than junk food of all the wonderful conversations we've had one of the pieces of advice that always rings in my head from Joe Rogan is you read your effing comments are you insane or something like that you had said to me yeah because one time I was we were chatting and you said and you were upset and I was upset
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#2263 - Gad Saad
And so every time I almost feel like I'm falling into that trap where I'm starting to scroll, I go Joe Rogan.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
Earlier you were talking about stand-up comics. I can't remember exactly what you're saying, and I thought I'll have to tell him this guy. The funniest bit I've ever seen, of course you will know it, the bit with Bobby Lee and Brian Callen and another guy, I don't know what his name is, where he's telling them that he was molested by a Downsville guy.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
So I've probably watched that 10 times and there hasn't been a tedium in my laughter. Like usually if you see a joke, the fourth time is less funny. So every time I go back to it and I watch it, I laugh as much as the previous time. It's very ridiculous.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
He's very funny. I first learned of him, I saw him on Curb Your Enthusiasm. where he was, do you know that he was on that? I didn't know he was on that. Yeah, he's like a Korean bookie to Larry David or something. Whatever, some funny, and he's speaking with a Korean accent and so on. And I thought, oh, who's this guy? And then I discovered him, and so I watched some of his stand-up stuff.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
And I saw him with Bill Maher recently. And I'm sorry, no disrespect for Bill Maher, but I think Bobby Lee is a lot funnier than Bill Maher. What do I know? I'm not a professional comedian.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
So it's interesting because you're interested in a sport that's all about combat and fighting, and yet you live by the motto of the exact opposite of that, which I wonder if many fighters might have that. A lot of fighters have that. Because they realize that their physicality is actually quite ominous. I want to live exactly the opposite of that in my personal engagements with people.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
Whatever. You just, why? Why? So let's say, forgive me for asking an intrusive question. Are you able to stick true to that motto as a fight is brewing with your wife?
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#2263 - Gad Saad
So how do you, are you able to completely do this when people are coming after you? People come after me all the time. But I don't mean troll.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
Do you ever foresee deciding, I've spoken to all the interesting people? Yes. You do?
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#2263 - Gad Saad
What are some of the things that you're taking? The ceramics course that you've always ... You know, whatever.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
But by the way, what you just said is exactly why your podcast has been so successful. Because you exude, in French you say, joie de vivre, right? A joy for living. And that curiosity, that...
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#2263 - Gad Saad
So I'm going to maybe be a bit less charitable than you. I don't think she's capable of doing it. because it takes a couple of things to be able to do what you just said. Number one, it takes vulnerability in that you're laying yourself out there.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
insatiable love of life that makes you open to all these other people who sit in this seat that you say give it to me and if you didn't have that quality you could have had all the other qualities if you didn't have that quality I don't think your show would have been successful you're probably right So, no, but it's true.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
Because, I mean, a lot of people will ask me, oh, you know Joe, what's his secret? I say, there's no secret. He's a cool guy who wants to have cool conversations. I mean, it really is.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
What percentage... I'm not asking you to give names or anything. What percentage of guests that come on your show the first time you've come to the realization that they're not good enough conversationalists to ever invite again? Is it a-
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#2263 - Gad Saad
And I'll just say this. I think my first time was 2014. Wow. We're 2025. So that means we are on one show a year. Well, we just banged out another good one. For many more years. Thank you, sir. Thank you, sir. It's always a pleasure. You are such a joy. Always a pleasure. Appreciate you very much. Thanks.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
Right now I'm speaking straight without any script, and I might say something stupid that's gonna be caught by millions of people, but I'm willing to take that chance for the joy of sitting and chatting with you. But if you're tight, And you can't let yourself go. If you don't have the self-assuredness to be able to be vulnerable, then you can't.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
Okay. You know, it's funny you say the age of innocence because I've always said that the two things that protect me in life were my Belgian shepherds. whom I love. And I saw, by the way, that you were talking recently about Belgian Malinois. Yeah. So my kids have grown up with... By the way, the Belgian Malinois is one of four types of Belgian Shepherds.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
Joe Rogan again. You're gorgeous. You are too, you beautiful bastard. Shut up. Come on. Can I read you something? Oh, okay. You want to read me something? This is from my son just before I came on the show. Hi, Daddy. I was wondering if the show will be live anywhere and tell Joe that I say hello and I love his show.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
I'll find out what you're about. You and I talked about Bigfoot last time when you explained to me how you got off the Bigfoot train.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
The only difference across the four types is that the Belgian Malinois has short hair, whereas the ones that we had have long hair. They even look more wolfish, more intimidating. Scary dogs. And so anyways, so I always said that the two things that protect me when I sort of entered the sanctity of my home was
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#2263 - Gad Saad
So earlier we were talking about how would you change your opinion once you have a position that's anchored. And now you're saying, I'd love to believe in this stuff, but then incoming information comes in, and then I kind of have to accept the fact that I can't believe this stuff. Well, that, in a sense, was the exact topic of my doctoral dissertation. I actually celebrated 30 years in 2024.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
What examples did you use? So I brought in subjects into the lab. So let me tell you what the topic was, and then I'll tell you how I ran it. So the idea was to study what are called stopping strategies, which means when is it that a person has acquired enough information to stop and make a choice? Now, why is that important?
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#2263 - Gad Saad
The love of my family, my Belgian shepherds and the innocence of my children, because, you know, the world out there is ugly. And then you go back home. And so once that becomes polluted because they just know more, I feel like I'm losing part of them.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
Because classical economic theory argues that if you're going to maximize your your utility when you're making a decision, you should look at all of the available information. You can't choose the car that maximizes your utility if you leave some information unturned.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
So that's called the normative theory, meaning that's how you ought to behave normatively if you want to be a perfect decision maker, rational decision maker. But objectively speaking, that's not what we do, right? You and I, every decision that we make every day, we don't sample all of the relevant and available information before we make a choice.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
We sample until we have sufficiently differentiated between the choices that you say, there's no point in sampling more information. I now have enough information to vote for Trump. I have enough information to marry this girl, to choose this employee. Got it. So that's called the stopping strategy.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
So I was studying the cognitive strategies that people use when they're making the stopping decision. So what I did, so to answer your question of how I went about doing it, I brought in people into the lab and I made them make sequential binary choices. Binary choices means it's a choice between two alternatives.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
Sequential means that they acquire one piece of information at a time on these two alternatives. This was done on a computer. And it's called the process tracing algorithm, meaning that it keeps track of every single behavior that the decision maker is making. It does that in the background.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
And so what I was looking at, they could acquire up to 25 attributes, let's say choosing between apartments. And I was tracking the cognitive processes that they were using and deciding when to stop and choose apartment A or choose apartment B. And then later, I applied that to other types of decisions. For example, mate choice. So you could apply for anything.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
You could apply choosing between fitness instructors, choosing between political candidates to vote for, for anything. The reason why it's binary, it's because it only operates once you're down to two final alternatives. You might have used another process to go from 10 alternatives. Let's say the primaries and the US system, we first go through Republican primary, then we choose one final one.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
And then we go through a Democratic primary, we choose one. And then the final two go head to head. That's when my model comes in. And so my model really explains how we make decisions across a bewildering number of cases, specifically how we stop and say, I'm marrying her, I'm hiring him, I'm voting for him. So it was a big, big deal.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
so a tipping point of information like when you have enough information to make a rational quality decision exactly what you do actually is you set i mean if if i could show it to you on a curve it would really be cool it's you set you set a what's called a differentiation a differentiation threshold which basically says that i have now sufficiently teased apart the mazda and the toyota
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#2263 - Gad Saad
that I've hit that threshold, that I'm sufficiently convinced that that decision would never be overturned, even if I sampled all of the remaining information.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
And some people use what's called the core attributes heuristic, which basically is there might be 60 attributes that I might look at in a car, but I really care only about four attributes. I will sample those four. Whichever car is ahead after those four, I'll buy that car. And so I studied all of those decision rule strategies. What about emotions though? Doesn't that play in there?
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#2263 - Gad Saad
Great question. So later, once I had gotten my PhD, I started incorporating various types of emotional states to see where people shift those stopping thresholds. So one thing I did, it never got published and we can talk about that. So I wanted to look at what happens to those stopping thresholds for dysphorics. Do you know what dysphorics mean? Like gender dysphoria? No, not gender dysphoria.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
So dysphoria is like a mild state of a clinical depression. It's not... I'm going to kill myself. But my wife left me, my dog died, life sucks. So that's called dysphoria. It's the opposite of euphoria. So there is a psychometric scale that you could administer to people to measure their dysphoria scores.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
And so I wanted to see whether non-dysphorics, people who don't suffer from dysphoria, would make their stopping decisions in a different way than dysphorics. And I didn't have any a priori hypotheses Why? Because the literature was very confused.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
Some theories said that dysphorics, by virtue of them being helpless and apathetic, life sucks, will actually acquire less information before they commit to a choice. Then there was another school of thought that thought, no, dysphorics are so helpless that one of the ways that they can gain control over their lives is to look at more information.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
So because I couldn't come up with any a priori hypotheses and being an honest scientist, I said, I'm not going to posit any hypotheses. I'm just going to run it and see what I get. So I think I had 18 different measures that were comparing the dysphoric, maybe 17 different Measures that were comparing the dysphoric to the non-dysphoric, of which on 16 out of the 17, I got no effects, right?
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#2263 - Gad Saad
Now, that to me was worthy of publishing, meaning that in this particular task, dysphoria doesn't seem to moderate the behavior. I sent it to this top journal actually called Cognition and Emotion. You were asking about emotion. The editor writes back to me, Gad, gorgeous study, beautiful design, beautiful. Unfortunately, given the number of null effects you got, I can't publish it.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
Now, this is literally called in science the null effects bias or the drawer, which means what? you only end up publishing findings that give you an effect and you put into the disappearance bin all of the findings that didn't get any effects. So when you then run a meta-analysis, do you know what a meta-analysis is?
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#2263 - Gad Saad
When you run a meta-analysis, it's not an actual accurate depiction of the totality of findings because all of those null effect studies were never published. And so I tried to tell the psychologist in question, who, by the way, several years later, he was at USC and was hounding me because he's a super wokster. I couldn't believe how much he fell in my esteem.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
But anyways, that's a separate story. I won't even mention his name, although he's worthy of being shamed on the Joe Rogan Show. And I wrote to him. I said, but I really think that you're succumbing to the null effects bias because it's worthy to publish this. This was, I think, in 1998. It's information.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
It's information that is worthy of the, certainly the scientific community should know about it. Well, I probably, one of the first times I've ever discussed it was on this show, so hopefully at least it gets that attention, but it's not in the record. What a shame. That is a shame.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
What amazes me is seeing my children get a political awakening. So my son, who's really precocious, he's 13. My daughter is 16. She wasn't as into it. But during the last U.S. elections, maybe because of the TikTok stuff and so on, she sort of woke up to it. And she would come to me and say, you know, why do we like Trump? Why don't we like?
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#2263 - Gad Saad
Yeah. So I can tell you a million. I mean, this is my 31st year as a professor. I can read a paper and I can just by looking at how clean their presentation of the data is tell you that they cheated because the the. The structure of the reality of data is never as clean as how it is presented in many of these journals.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
And then, by the way, not to sort of tap myself on the shoulder, but some of the top people that I know who ended up getting caught for fabrication of data, I was in private circles saying, I bet you 80% of this guy's research is bullshit. And then it comes out to be the case. Because I'll give you an example.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
So I did a study, and speaking about being wedded to your ideas, so I had a graduate student that worked with me on a really, really cool project, which we ended up publishing in 2009. Gorgeous paper on testosterone and so on. Really beautiful paper. I noticed that as we were getting ready to run these studies, There was always a delay where he wasn't yet ready to kind of cast the die.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
And so one day we had gone for coffee. I said, you know what I think? I think that maybe you're afraid that if right now in the rarefied world of us having just posited the hypotheses but not run the study, we live in a world where it hasn't been falsified yet. So you're wedded to the idea.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
But I think you're scared that if we run the studies and the data doesn't come out and support, then the – but guess what? It doesn't matter because we're going to reap some benefit from that. Well, true – and he looked at me and he was like, actually, you're exactly right, Professor. I'm afraid to find out whether we're correct or not. I said, just let's do it. It was actually a study.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
So there was two parts of the study, and I'm not sure if I've ever discussed it with you. So I wanted to look at what happens to men's testosterone levels when they engage in acts of conspicuous consumption, and what happens to men's testosterone when they see other men engaging in acts of conspicuous consumption.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
And the general story, as you might imagine, is when I engage in an act of conspicuous consumption, my testosterone goes up because I had a social win. And when I see you, who's a competitor to me, getting into your fancy Maserati, then my tail goes between my legs. You feel bad. So my testosterone goes down. So we designed two gorgeous studies. We ran them. It was gorgeous. It was beautiful.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
By the way, I always joke that for study one, we actually had people... drive a Porsche that we rented and a beaten up old sedan. And after each driving condition, we took salivary assays so that we could measure the testosterone. And I always joke, try to get from a granting agency research funds so that you could rent a Porsche. Now, only when you can do that, you're a good scientist.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
Anyways, and so we ran the studies and several of the hypotheses that we posited turned out to be vertical, but several were falsified. But to the credit of the editor, unlike the other guy, he found value in even the findings that were contrary to what we had expected, because we had a post hoc explanation for why it didn't work out. And so,
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#2263 - Gad Saad
Lesson to everybody who is an aspiring scientist, always be honest. Don't fudge the data. Don't go back and pretend that you have hypothesized the stuff after you see what the data results are. Oh, is that what they do? Oh, tons. Tons. As a matter of fact, I- Human ego. Human ego. I told this whole story to your point. Exactly.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
And so I saw an awakening in her that my son already had. I mean, he literally will sit with me, watch. I mean, Tucker's no longer on, but he would watch Tucker with me and have conversations with me when he was 11, 12. My daughter came a bit later into the game, but it's so rewarding to see them wake up to these things and have meaningful conversations with me on these topics. It's beautiful.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
Exactly. Yeah. I'll add something else. Actually, I'm giving a talk at one of the universities here in Austin as part of this trip. And I'm going to talk about the... So I'm old enough at this point, although I'd like to think that I still have many years left, but that I can sort of look back at what are some of the great things that I've faced as a professor?
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#2263 - Gad Saad
What are some of the things that I'm disappointed in? Probably the number one thing that most disappoints me in my fellow academics, and I don't mean that as a haughty thing, is how non-intellectual most of them are. Most of them are just playing a game.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
I mean, obviously, they're intelligent in the sense that they've gotten a PhD, they've gotten a professorship, they are stay-in-your-lane professors, they know their little methodology. But you can't sit with them at a party and talk about things that is not within their areas of specialty. They're not these big polymaths. They're not Leonardo da Vinci.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
And so that has disappointed me because sort of my fantasy of becoming an academic was that every Friday for Shabbat dinner, I'd be inviting all of these intellectual colleagues of mine and my children would be growing up hearing the art historian and the mathematician. Right.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
And my children and I are immersed in an endless orgy of ideas all day, whereas most professors are just sort of mundane, publish or perish, get tenure, game the system. And so that left me with a very – and that's why I do my thing because I don't play those games. And so that's been disappointing. Yeah.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
Well, I always say, and you might have seen me post it often on X, I always say the most dangerous force in nature are parasitized minds. Yeah. Right? I mean, the tsunami is devastating, but it's a one bleep.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
Trance, T-R-A-N-C-E. Yeah, the trance. But they fell into the trance of trance, T-R-A-N-S.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
Well, so I have some good news, not phenomenal news, but in the same way that there is now this cataclysmic change that's happening because of Trump and so on, you know, DEI is out and so on. I'm definitely seeing a, well, certainly a growing number of institutions that are reaching out to me who are suddenly very interested and keen on speaking with me. Well, that's good. Yeah.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
So that's wonderful. And not in a gleeful sense of, hey, I was right, but in the sense that- First of all, you were right. No, but we're redirecting the ship. People are waking up. So it's not just about me. And so like this year, I'm a visiting professor and global ambassador at Northwood University. I took a leave from my home university because I couldn't stand the Hamas crazies and so on.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
And, you know, if you go to that school, you'll be heart blessed to see one parasitic idea. That's great. There are, you know, University of Austin here is trying to do big things. There are several other schools. How's that going? It's coming along. I mean, it had hit a bit of a couple of obstacles, but I think things are moving on track now.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
Oh, completely real university. Actually, they're now, I think they just admitted their first class of 2028, fully accredited. Oh, wow. And the idea is to return to broad, classical, liberal, not liberal in the political sense, but like you read the ancient Greek stories. You read Homer. You read Socrates and Aristotle. Like real basic education without any of the parasitic stuff.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
But it's not just an anti-woke school. It's a return to that broad education. I mean, you know, I was reading some of the stuff that the founding fathers write. And no disrespect to Kamala Harris or Joe Biden, when you read stuff that Thomas Jefferson and George Washington and James Madison wrote, those were men of letters, right? Sure. I mean, they can quote Cicero and so on.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
Well, I think what University of Austin, I haven't gone to visit yet, but from my understanding is they're trying to create students who are really well-read, have critical thinking abilities. So it's not just a correction to the woke stuff, but let's return to meaningful, well-grounded, all-encompassing education. And if they pull it off, what a great thing.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
Can I incorporate some professorial elements to what you just said? Please do. So one of my intellectual heroes is John von Neumann, who was a Hungarian Jewish polymath. He was a mathematician. He was a game theorist. And one of the things that he did, he was one of the pioneers of using game theory. Do you know what game theory is?
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#2263 - Gad Saad
Well, he certainly was lefty. I don't know how hardcore, but yeah.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
So one thing about sort of this broad education, I was mentioning earlier John von Neumann, who's this kind of polymath. He's an expert in so many things. He's a generalist. Joe, many of the biggest scientific innovations have happened at the intersection of interdisciplinarity because many of the biggest scientific problems necessitate expertise in many different domains.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
So the mapping of the human genome could not come from only one discipline. It took biostatisticians and biologists and geneticists and all kinds of different expertise to put it all together. And so one of the things that I've been trying, certainly in my own research, I publish in medicine and in marketing and in psychology and in behavioral science and evolution,
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#2263 - Gad Saad
I've lived my life as an interdisciplinarian, but we don't train our students to be this way. You are an accounting major. You are my... Stay in your lane. Stay in your lane. You stay in your silo.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
As a matter of fact, our universities are architecturally designed so that we never speak to people who are... If you were in the psychology department, you never talk to someone from the finance department. But what if we were to speak to each other to study the psychology of... Personal finance, and now we've just created a synergy that we never thought of before, right?
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#2263 - Gad Saad
So one of the things that I'm hoping to do with some of the universities that are now interested in making me an offer is to build something that I've long dreamt of, which I call the Consilience Institute. Have we ever talked about consilience on this show? I don't know. Okay. So even if we have, let me repeat it. Please.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
So consilience is a term that was sort of reintroduced into the vernacular by E.O. Wilson, who's a, he recently passed away, a Harvard entomologist. He studied social ads. In the late 90s, Joe, he wrote a book called Consilience, Colon, Unity of Knowledge, which So, consilience refers to, are you able to create links between different disciplines? Can you create an organized tree of knowledge?
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#2263 - Gad Saad
So, he was arguing, as I believe as well, that evolutionary theory is the meta-consilient framework that can link many different disciplines. you could study literature using evolutionary theory. And this field is called Darwinian literary criticism. Can you guess what that might mean? Or do you want me to just jump in?
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#2263 - Gad Saad
So Darwinian literary criticism means when you study certain literature narratives that have stood the test of time, the reason why they tickle our fancy It's because at their base, they have certain universal themes that map onto key evolutionary paternity uncertainty, sibling rivalry, romantic jealousy.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
In economics? Okay. Yes. Do you want me to explain it for our viewer? Yeah, please. So a classic example of a game theory context would be the prisoner's dilemma, right? You capture two prisoners. You take them apart, as the cops do. Each of them can either squeal, confess, or not. And depending on whether—so there are four possibilities. Both can confess. One confesses the other one.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
So in other words, there are six, seven, eight key evolutionary templates that drive much of the great literature, whether it be Arabic literature, whether it be ancient Greek literature, whether it be Japanese literature. there's always that same template, and that's why they cater to our scent.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
That's why I could understand what an ancient Greek poet had wrote 2,500 years ago, and I get how he's feeling jealousy, because you and I, are running on the same softwares that that guy did. And so that would be called Darwinian literary criticism. You could apply evolutionary theory to architecture. So I'm trying to give examples that you wouldn't have thought of.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
So architects usually are trained in how to design buildings to minimize cost and maximize the speed with which you can build a thing. They're not trained to design buildings that are consistent with our biophilic nature. Biophilic means love of nature. So there are certain architectural designs that actually make us be more productive. Here's a simple example.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
You just made his life. How old is he? Well, last week was his bar mitzvah. Oh, so he's 13.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
Just having more windows increases productivity. As a matter of fact, there's a great study that was published in maybe Nature or Science, one of those two journals, in 1984, I think, where the researcher did only the following experimental manipulation. Half the people who had just done a surgery were placed in a room with a window, and the other half were placed in a room without a window.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
Everything else is controlled. It's the same surgery. Everything else was controlled. The one that was in a room with a window had many better outcomes, different metrics. Just that one manipulation, being able to see the light, right?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
So, by the way, there's a field called biophilic architecture, which tries to incorporate our innate love of nature in the design of architectural buildings or buildings. interior spaces and so on. So that would be another example of using evolutionary theory in a completely different field. You can use evolutionary theory in medicine. You could use evolutionary theory in consumer behavior.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
And so I argue that we can build an institute called the Consilience Institute where filmmakers from Hollywood can come to this institute and do a six-month stage studying about how to develop cool scripts that adhere to evolutionary principles. And evolutionary computer scientists can also come in.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
What's unifying all of us is an understanding of the importance of evolutionary theory in these very disparate disciplines.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
So it's a two-by-two matrix. And there are different payoffs in each of these matrices, right? And then the question is, what is the optimal behavior? So that's called game theory because you use game theoretic framework to model what should be some optimal behavior.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
And that's, by the way, called in evolutionary medicine, the exact words you just said, it's called the mismatch hypothesis. The argument is that many of... And I know you're very interested in health, so I think you'll like this. This is not my research. This is from other evolutionary medical guys. I think the top nine killers...
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#2263 - Gad Saad
in health are related to the mismatch hypothesis, which means that something that could have been perfectly adaptive a hundred years ago in the modern world becomes maladaptive. So for example, and hence the mismatch. So whether it be colon cancer or diabetes or heart disease or so on, what ends up happening with each of these diseases is
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
Well, in the context of the Cold War, that's when game theory was first being applied, that the Russians or the Soviets can nuke us or not, we can nuke them or not. And so there were all these models that were developed. So for example, mutually assured destruction, is an outshoot of understanding game theory.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
is that misalignment between what was evolutionarily adaptive back then and evolutionary maladaptive now creates that health condition. Let me give you a concrete example. We've evolved the taste buds, the gustatory preferences to prefer fatty foods because of uncertainty of caloric scarcity.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
That makes perfect evolutionary sense when, as a hunter-gatherer, I have to spend 30,000 calories to go out and hunt, and I may not return with game. But then when I do get the game, then I gorge on that meat because I don't know what I'm going to eat next, right? In today's environment of plentitude, I don't face caloric uncertainty and caloric scarcity. I become fat.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
I overeat because that mechanism of gorging on fatty foods still is in me. So we still have that mechanism, but it becomes maladaptive. And so incorporating an evolutionary lens into medicine often ends up with completely different medical interventions than that which the typical physician who's not trained in evolutionary medicine would have come up with.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
And so for the ones who are watching the show, John von Neumann is the definition of how I think an intellectual should be. Very broad thinker. He can both discuss mathematics or economics or game theory. He died, I think, too young, but he got his PhD at the age of 23. Check him out, John von Neumann.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
What are your thoughts on, and I know very little about this, so I'm really asking you because I don't know anything about it, all that Ozembic stuff. Are you for it? Are you against it?
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#2263 - Gad Saad
Because even if the side effects are bad, it's better than you're going to die.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
Well, I wonder, I mean, I guess we can calculate that, but for every amount of weight that you put on or lose, what's the ratio of the speed? Meaning it only takes me three weeks to put on 10 pounds if I eat badly. Let's suppose that that number were three weeks.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
I mean, I was impressed with myself because I got my PhD in my late 20s. That's still pretty good. Well, he beat me by many, many years. So I'm a little ant compared to him.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
Autophagy. That's what I thought you were talking about, yeah.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
So remember earlier I was saying how you can incorporate evolutionary thinking into all kinds of areas. So there's these great studies that were done looking at how the human mind can be tricked because of its desire for variety seeking. And then I, of course, I offer an evolutionary explanation for it. But let me tell you the two studies that I have in mind.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
Because when you mentioned spaghetti, it triggered that in my head. So in one set of studies, they took, I think it was M&Ms, and you know, M&Ms can, you could create a bowl with only one color M&Ms, or you can create a bowl with many colored M&Ms. That colorant, objectively speaking, doesn't alter the taste, it doesn't alter the smell.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
So it is, only perceptually it affects it in that your eyes see a different color, but it doesn't alter the gustatory experience. And it turns out that when you offer people the multicolored bowl, they eat more.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
Although there are some cases where, and I want to talk about another variety study in a second, but there are some cases where colors in nature are called, this was actually in my first book in 2007, I talked about aposematic coloring. Do you know what that means? Yes.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
And then I use it to explain the hair coloring of all the wokesters. I say that that's a form of aposematic hair color. So check this out. So the Amazonian frog that lives in a very dangerous neighborhood, you'd think that it would evolve camouflaging.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
And yet you could see it from a satellite that's so brightly yellow or red because it's saying, hey, idiot, if you could see me, you want to sort of stay wide of me. I'm not even trying to hide. That's how dangerous I am. Here's the beauty of nature. Another species will co-opt that coloring scheme
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#2263 - Gad Saad
and it will evolve it but it's completely harmless but people but the predator doesn't know which is which do you get it ah yes right right so i i use that mechanism when i'm talking about deceptive signaling and i use it in the context of deceptive branding where people canal street in new york city is all about you going and buying a prada bag
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#2263 - Gad Saad
that should be $5,000, but hopefully if they faked it well, I can buy it for $50. And so that's how I take all of these biological examples and try to apply them in economic or consumer decision making. But let me go back to variety seeking.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
Yeah. So strange. Of course, as you know, the danger of that is that you're not at the right social developmental phase. Of course. So, yes, you can solve calculus really easily. Right. But you can't speak with people who are four years older than you. Isn't that crazy? Yeah.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
So you mentioned earlier spaghetti. So they did another study where they took the exact same pasta and they either gave it to you in a plate of one-shaped pasta or in a plate of multi-shaped. But it's the same pasta, so it doesn't change anything. But I can give it to you, whatever it's called, fussella or whatever. And I guess you can guess what they ate more when it's the multi-form pasta.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
Wouldn't recommend a long trip in one. Do you know that the upper uppers usually, and you've met many of them, don't drive super ostentatious cars?
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#2263 - Gad Saad
Not even that maybe. But do you know why? Do you know why from an evolutionary? Because they have to hide. They're hiding a little bit. They're camo. They're like the frog that pretends to look like the leaf. Perhaps. But it's because when I'm nouveau riche, I just entered that thing. I want to demonstrate to everybody that I'm the real deal.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
And for many other people who are in my circle, they may not be able to afford the ostentatious $350,000 Ferrari. Right. But when I am an upper upper in the billionaire class, then me driving a $350,000 car is not a costly signal in a biological sense of my worth because every single member of my billionaire friends group could match that signal. Right.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
Yeah, so I'm not sure if I support this kind of fast tracking because there's an element of just being with the right people at the right age.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
Therefore, the way I can then compete with my billionaire friends is if I can spend my money in a lavish, wasteful way such that I buy an art piece that a monkey could have come up with. And I pay $180 million of it. That makes me big dog. Because you don't have enough money, Joe, to be able to buy what a monkey. And I paid $180 million. Both of us can buy the Maserati.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
And so that's where I use the principle of costly signaling from biology to explain ostentatious behaviors and consumer behavior.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
That's postmodernism, by the way, right? Yeah, fuck you. There are no objective aesthetic standards. Yeah. So, anything goes. So, in The Parasitic Mind, I have a section where I talk about... So, you mentioned... Where was it? It was in LA? Yeah. Okay. So, I had gone to visit... I think it was in 1996, a couple of years after my PhD...
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#2263 - Gad Saad
One of my fellow PhDs from my school had gotten a job as a professor in Carnegie Mellon in Pittsburgh. So I went to visit him. And so he was busy teaching or something. So I said, oh, you know, I'll go to the Carnegie Museum and hang out and see stuff. So... Exactly like the experience you had, there was an empty canvas. So I went, looked for someone who was working there.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
I said, can I see the curator, please? Well, how can we help you, sir? I said, well, I'd like to discuss this art piece. So then this other woman comes to me, says, how can I help you, sir? I said, well, what is this bullshit? Yeah. Did you say bullshit? Well, maybe not bullshit, but like, what is this? Can you explain this to me? I paid an entrance fee to see this. Right.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
And what do you think she said? I don't know. Well, look, it triggered a reaction in you. Isn't that what art is all about? I'm like, okay.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
That's right. They're creating the art with her. It's a collaborative process.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
she believes it or she knows in the deep recesses of her mind that she's a charlatan.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
How about playing herself? Because remember, the best way to tell a lie is to first believe it yourself.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
You know that a friend of mine recently told me, he was actually a former student of mine who's a good friend now. He told me that that famous sit-in that they had happened in Montreal. Did you know that?
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#2263 - Gad Saad
Yeah. I did not know that. That was like 1969 at the, I think Queen Elizabeth. Maybe Jamie will pull it off. A lot of crazy things happened in Montreal.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
Well, speaking of accelerated learning, my biggest regret, I may have discussed this with you before or not, but my parental regret is that we never taught our children all of the languages that we speak at home. So I speak – my mother tongue is Arabic, and I also learned French because from Lebanon and then moving to Montreal. Then I learned English, and I also speak Hebrew.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
That is true. That's right. Well, I guess I would expect you to know that. Yeah, yeah. That was like 81? 80s.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
It was amazing. What did you think? I mean, that's what I love about our conversation. It just goes anywhere. What did you think about the Mike Tyson thing with Jack Paul and so on?
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#2263 - Gad Saad
No, because you'd punch me once and I'd be dead. Eh, I wouldn't.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
Can I tell you something? I would actually be interested in doing that.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
And then my wife, because she's Lebanese-Armenian, she speaks Armenian. So between the two of us, we speak five languages. But here's the rubb. If I speak to them in Arabic or Hebrew, my wife won't understand. If she speaks to them in Armenian, I won't understand. So we just settled on French and English.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
Because I was going to say that when I was a soccer player, the type of trainings we do, because you have to do a lot of sprints, is very different than the type of fitness that I do now, which is usually I just get on the treadmill. And I do a bit of interval training, but I just kind of either run or fast walk uphill without these kinds of anaerobic things.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
And so I'm kind of looking at, although I just turned 60, by the way, in October. Congratulations. Thank you. So I'm looking to do something that raises my heart level in a way that is akin to what I suppose would happen if you got into a ring, how your heart rate would kind of go up in ways that I'm probably not testing my heart currently because I just get on the treadmill and I just jog.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
Have you ever seen the training regimen of Alvin Kamara? No. No, who's that? Alvin Kamara is, I mean, recently he's kind of had a couple of off years, but he's sort of the feature running back of the New Orleans Saints. He's an all-purpose back, meaning that he both runs, but he also catches the ball a lot, right? So he's a generalist. He's a polymath. And I've always loved the way he moves.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
He moves very, very elegantly, almost like a... So he's both power, but also... If you remember how Barry Sanders was in the late 90s, do you remember who that was? He was in Detroit Lions running back. And so I thought, this guy runs in a unique way that's different from all the other players. And I... Oh, I know who I was thanking. I had Dean Cain on my show. Do you know who Dean Cain is?
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#2263 - Gad Saad
Sure, Superman. Superman, who used to be a football player.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
And so we were discussing our favorite football players, and I was telling him, oh, this was about three, four years ago, I said, oh, my favorite player is Alvin Kamara. So then he tells me, go on YouTube and watch the types of trainings he does to develop those movements. And as a big fitness guy, Just go watch it. There's a lot of plyometrics. A lot of plyometrics.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
A lot of stuff where, you know, they throw a ball and he's standing on a balancing ball. What is that called? The platform. And he's trying to catch balls that they're throwing. I mean, I would have a hard time just staying on that damn thing.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
So rather than them now being these super exotic, you know, five language speaking kids, they only speak the very vanilla French and English.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
That's exactly his training. You have to see what this guy makes him do. It's unbelievable. He's like a ballerina.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
Isn't that unbelievable? Yeah, it is. Oh, I'm so glad you brought it. Thank you, Jamie.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
It's exciting that I shared something with you who's like this huge fitness expert that you didn't know. Cool.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
Compared to Americans, I agree. They don't even master one language. Barely know English. Barely know English. We had to have separate versions of English. Actually, I was. Slangs and dialects. I posted on X that while I was coming to Texas, I'm also soon going to South Carolina, to Georgia, to Florida, to Mississippi.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
So what's the trajectory of MMA next? Is it all turned into an Olympic sport? I hope so. I hope MMA becomes an Olympic sport. Is that on the agenda?
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#2263 - Gad Saad
And so I said, if I'm going to fit in in the South, since I'm doing this big, what are some absolute must expressions that I must have? So the ones I came up with, and you'll add to that, I'm fixing to leave. Bless your heart. Bless your heart. Y'all. Y'all. All y'all.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
Isn't there a Brazilian self-defense or an Israeli self-defense? Capoeira. Yeah, Capoeira. That's right.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
One of these left turns we take through our connections of conversation, I recently had a guest on my show who's an expert on Frederick Douglass. Do you know who that is? Sure. Regrettably, not enough Americans, not enough of anybody knows who he is. And, of course, he was in the era of when slavery was being abolished. And have you ever seen his face? Yes.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
Doesn't he look as though he's like a Nubian king, the way how regal he looks?
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#2263 - Gad Saad
And I told that to the scholar and he goes, you're exactly right. Look at that. Look at that. Imagine that guy teaching classes. Oh, my God. I'm getting warm and I'm a heterosexual male.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
And he didn't know how to read and learned it later. And if you read his stuff, it's unbelievable. Like that... The eloquence that he had, it's not as though he learned how to read the way a typical child learns at three, four, five. That happened later in his life. And then you see the production of quality. It's unbelievable.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
So I really recommend everybody, certainly Americans, it's part of your history, read about Frederick Douglass. He's unbelievable. How old was he when he learned how to read? So I don't want to misspeak. I'm not sure. But let's go, probably Jamie can pull it off, but probably 12, 13 years.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
Amazing. Yeah. So one of the biggest stressors I face when I travel, speaking about reading, is I've got a very, very big personal library of books, many of which I've yet to read. And I wake up every day worried that am I going to run out of time in life? And not read these books. So whenever I travel and I'm going to bring a book to read on that trip, I sit there.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
The guy who studies psychology of decision making, I have complete decision paralysis because usually my wife will tell me, you're leaving in 24 hours. Why don't you now go and anguish, get in anguish for the next six hours as my hair is pulling. And pick a book. Yeah. So I'm like, oh, this one. No, this one. And I'm literally sitting there. Yeah, interesting. I think you listen to books.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
Yeah, I need that tactile thing. I can't do the listening.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
I did see it when I was like 12. This is 1977, right? Yes.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
Where are you on the zero, I absolutely don't believe any of this, 100, I fully believe in this? What's your score?
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#2263 - Gad Saad
I haven't, but I just started watching, I think three days ago, a Netflix series. So you'll know this better because I don't remember what it's called. It's supposedly a New York case in the late 1980s that's the most famous UFO abduction case. Is this ringing the bell?
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#2263 - Gad Saad
But maybe, I don't know if Jamie can pull it. It's a Netflix series that just, it's a documentary series that just start, that I think came out this year or this past year. There is kind of a guy, I don't think he's a professor or something, but he's a guy who's like the investigator who collates.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
The Manhattan Alien Abduction. That's the one. Thank you. Thank you, Jamie. Oh, you don't know this one? No, I'm not aware of it at all. Because they sold it as the most famous, most documented case of UFO abductions.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
And there's no way that they could have... No, they weren't communicating with each other.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
I actually had – So I've had a lot of amazing guests on my show, top professors of all kinds. Arguably the best conversation I've had, which is saying a lot, with a guest on my show is one of the pioneers of quantum computing. And not to serve as his publicist, but I think he'd be a great guy for you to have. I'd love to talk to him. What's his name? His name is David Deutsch.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
He's a physicist by training. He wrote two bestselling books. I think one of them is called The Edge of Infinity. And we tried to discuss what is quantum physics? How do you apply that principle to quantum computing? And remember earlier I said that there are too many professors who are not intellectuals? Well, he's exactly an intellectual.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
Because we could sit down and have a conversation where at the end of it, you were so hedonistically tickled in your brain, that it's as if you just had sex. Right, you get excited. You get excited. And so we had two conversations. I'd urge you to listen to our conversations. It was not too long ago, maybe three, four months ago. Amazing guy.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
But you do it in quantum computing and does it in four seconds. Yeah, quickly. Isn't that amazing? A couple minutes. Isn't that amazing?
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#2263 - Gad Saad
Forgive me for being eager to jump on what you're saying. I think, if I'm not mistaken, David Deutsch is one of the pioneers of the multiverse theory.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
That could work with quantum computing. Exactly. They don't know what's happening. It's like these guys are making magic. Do you remember the famous quote? Do you know who Richard Feynman is? Yes. Yeah. So there's a quote. I might get it off. The quantum computer, yeah. Yeah, where he says, if you think you understand quantum physics, you don't understand quantum physics.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
And that's pretty much how I feel when I try to understand. I'm like, what is this shit? I don't understand any of this.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
Where is this stuff? What is this? I first was exposed, because you were just saying about the computational power that would be required that you could reduce with quantum computing. When I was first exposed to AI, so I, you know, my undergrad was in mathematics, computer science. And so I had taken an AI course before AI was the shit, right? This was 1985.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
And the professor who taught me was, his name is, I can't believe I remember his name, Monty Newborn. He was part of the Deep Blue team that was developed. Do you remember that stuff? Sure.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
Exactly, exactly. And so actually for one of our assignments in that course, we had to develop on a game. It didn't have to be chess, but it could be some other game.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
what's called alpha-beta pruning, which is if you blow out the decision tree of a typical game, let's say like chess, you would need 10 to the 100 nodes, if I'm not mistaken, which is more nodes than there are particles in the universe. I think in the universe there's 10 to the 80. So there are more nodes in a chess game than there are particles or atoms in the universe.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
So what alpha-beta pruning does... So you're pruning. So what it's basically doing is it starts testing going down the tree. And if it seems like no good outcome can come here, you prune that tree. So what you're doing is you're reducing the computational complexity of the tree so that you can arrive to a final solution much quicker. And so that was the original solution.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
time that I was exposed to AI. And at the time I thought, wow, AI is going to take over the world. And then AI went through a winter where it kind of died out. And it's only in the last three, four, five years that really it has exploded. But I want to tell you a few assignments that I had back then, and I would challenge someone to solve them on your show and post the answers.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
I still remember them. I was an A plus student. So here's one. if you take a string of ones and zeros, right? Any string. So it could be 1110001010, or it could be one million long, it could be, okay? You and I will play a game. We start. Let's say I start. I have to either take out the end digit from this side or the end digit from that side.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
Then when it's your turn, you take out the end digit from this side or that side. We keep going until we get to one digit remaining. Whomever is left with that digit, if it's a one, they win. If it's a zero, they lose. Do you follow the game so far? Yes.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
So what Professor Newborn had asked us to do as an assignment 1985, 40 years ago, is can you tell us, this is called the deterministic game, meaning that there is a way to a priori know what who would win the game before we even play, just by looking at some characteristic of any string. So you understand what I'm saying?
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#2263 - Gad Saad
So then my question to your, and don't cheat and go check it on Google, or even I have it on my YouTube channel somewhere. So the thing is, what are the characteristics of any string that would allow us to deterministically know before we begin playing whether Gad or Joe will win? So that's game one. Okay. and let's see if anybody's going to post it on you.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
Okay, so this is not a correct one, but it's too bad that I'm saying it because you can go down that path for five hours before you realize it's not correct. So I'm saving a lot of people alpha, beta.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
Is it a ratio of how many ones and zeros that any string has? So, for example, is it if it's two to one ratio and I start, then I will win? Or is it... Right, got it. So... I could look at a string that's four million digits long or five digits long, and I will know ahead of time. Jesus. It's unbelievable. I can't even possibly guess. Okay. I could give you the answer or not. No.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
Okay, don't give it. Number two. Let people simmer in it. You know what I would love? I would love for Professor Newborn, if he's still alive, to watch this show and say, my God, I must have trained this student well that he can pull this out of his butt 40 years later. Yeah. Right? Yeah. So anyway, so game two, or... Problem two, and imagine now you have to go off.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
It's due next Tuesday, and now try to solve this damn thing. That's why I always tell people, just study math and computer science. Whatever you end up becoming, it doesn't matter. You're never going to get as good a training as being a math and computer science undergrad. Anyways, second game, you have 12 coins. This one I think is a bit easier. You have 12 coins of which one is counterfeit.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
It's counterfeit in that it's either heavier or lighter. You don't know. What is the minimal sequence of weighings if I had a scale that I can place these on so that I can unequivocally identify which is the faulty, the counterfeit coin and whether it's too heavy or too light.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
Okay, but then that depends on what the outcome of the weighing was. Is there, what is the minimal number of sequence of weighings that will invariably converge to the right counterfeit coin, irrespective of what happens in the weighing, and tells me whether it's too heavy or too light. It's mind-blowing shit. Tell me what it is.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
So I don't remember the sequence, but if I'm not mistaken, I hope I'm not wrong. I'm sure Jimmy could pull it off. I believe that there is a sequence of three steps that could invariably identify which coin is counterfeit and if it's too light or too heavy.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
Well, it is as simple as weighing them, but which ones? Is it you weigh, is it you take any two and you, so let's say I take four and I put two and two and the balance weighs, then I know that those four could not have been the counterfeit because it didn't tip one way or the other because they're the same weight. So in that case, by taking any random four, putting them on,
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
I've only eliminated those four. Right, but you could do that three times. You have 12. Just try it. Yeah, but if you do that three times, you'll be able to figure it out really quickly. So if now you got rid of those four... Right. So I don't remember what the sequence is, so we could try to work it out now, but I don't think it's as simple as just us doing it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
If I take another four and I put them out and that comes out as even, I get rid of those four. I've now done two weighings. Now I still have four. Right. If I take two and two... Now, if it does do one or the other, I won't know which one it is yet, and I won't know if it's too light or too heavy. Correct? Right.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
So that means your strategy of I just take four three times will not converge me to the optimal solution of three.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
You have to do it in three steps. But by the way, he doesn't tell you at the assignment what is the number of steps.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
No, because then you wouldn't have any to base it on. No, if you get six and six, you're sure you're going to get this unbalanced and you don't know anything. So that weighing gave you nothing. It just confirmed that there's a counterfactual, I mean a counterfeit one.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
But if you did what you just said, that means it's dependent on the outcome of that singular time that you did it. You need three. What I'm saying is irrespective of what you do, here is the strategy that will always get you. Well, what do you do? So I don't remember what the thing. God damn it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
No, but I didn't tell you the other one. I didn't tell you the digit one. Right. Well, the digital one, I don't want you to tell people. It'll blow your... I could give a singular hint that would almost make everybody get it. But I don't want to give it because... No, I'll tell you why. Because it is almost a mystical process. I mean, we're sitting there. We're all, you know... Just give it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
Just tell us what it is. You want me to? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. So before I do so, let me give you the hint to see if you'll get it. Okay. You don't think I'm putting it on the spot? No, no, no. Okay. What does, this is so cool, what does any string, whether it's a million strings or 20 strings, always have, architecturally speaking? Do you understand what I'm asking? Yes. A number?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
A finite number? No. It always has a, it starts with M. Jamie? What are you saying? It has a middle. A middle. Okay. If you have a... Do you see where I'm going with this? Okay. So meaning, if both you and I know the deterministic rule... Right. It doesn't matter how big the string is. Right. If I look at the middle of the string, I mean, I'm getting goosebumps saying it. Okay.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
If you look at the middle of this, like, look, if the middle is 111, just bear with me. Okay. If the middle is 111, the string is an odd number. Because whether it's odd number or even, it doesn't matter. Got it. If it's an odd number and I start and the middle is 1-1-1, I know that I'm going to win. Why?
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#2263 - Gad Saad
1 or 0, yeah. Well, no, because if the middle is 1, 1, 1, so when we're left with 1, 1, 1, I take a 1 from this side, you take any other 1, and I'll be left with 1 and I win. Therefore, if we both know the deterministic rule of the game... I will always make sure. So when you take out from this side, I will counterbalance by taking out from this side.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
And then you take out from this side, I'll counterbalance with this side to make sure that we converge to the middle 1-1-1, which I know because it's an odd string and I started the game, I'm always going to get to it. Got it. Do you get it? Yeah. And so the entire algorithm is based on... Is the string odd or even? That will determine if it's the middle three or middle four.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
And do I start or do you start? Knowing that information, the string could be 73 billion digits long or it could be six digits long. It's a deterministic game. I know who will win. As long as we both know that rule. If I know it and you don't, then there's asymmetry. Then I can always make sure to win. But if we both know it, we don't have to play the game.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
I just look at the middle and I go, you're starting or you win. We don't need to play. It's not cool? It is cool. But I wish we hadn't done it because I would have loved to see people's attempts because you learn from how people are thinking.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
I don't want to say nothing, but certainly not enough to offer any insights in this conversation.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
Well, but here's where it does. So I guess maybe I was being too humble in what I said. I don't know anything about it. So here's a mind-blowing thing. So you know what prime numbers are? Yes. Okay. It's an incredibly easy property to define, right? We know how the number line operates, yet you know that one of the open problems in pure mathematics, pure mathematics is basically number theory.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
It's the purest, most theoretical form of math, which is saying a lot. Pure mathematicians don't have a formula that allows them to generate what is the next prime, right? So usually right now what you do is you have these incredible supercomputers and through brute force, someone comes out with, we now found the largest prime number ever, but it was done through algorithmic brutish force.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
So I can see how a quantum computing approach will allow us to, through brute force, calculate much further prime numbers that today we don't have the computational power to do. So I don't know what the application would be, but that would be an example of using the raw computational power of quantum computing to solve these problems.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
I was going to say that you're going to get me in trouble because I think I mentioned to you last time that the biggest trouble I ever faced was two shows ago when I was here and I made a joke about the French-Canadian accent.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
I don't know about that, but what I can say is that any type of problem that requires massive computational power because of the burdensome search, you can use that for. Although I don't think you need quantum computing for this, but say in medical diagnostics where you use an AI system,
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
Why isn't it that we don't – why do we even go to a physician and provide him or her with our symptoms when it should be so trivially easy to put that into an AI medical diagnostic system and it can look up – rare cases in 1827 in Zambia that exactly map onto exactly the symptoms, the unique symptoms that I'm facing because I went on a safari in Zambia.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
So I am hereby stating that in nature, the most beautiful auditory orgasm is to listen to the French-Canadian accent.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
No physician, even if he's strained in infectious diseases, has probably seen that case from 1827 Zambia. So I would expect that in problems that require huge computational power to search through huge engines is where quantum, but I don't know anything else.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
And this technology exists. My wife, just before I came on the show, she called me up and she goes, oh, did you see this deep AI stuff with the Chinese? I said, sweet, I'm about to head off to speak to Joe. Why are you having a deep conversation with me now? She goes, oh, because maybe Joe's going to bring up something about AI and you might want to know about deep AI.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
So anyway, so let me give her a kudos. Do you know anything about this? I do. What's going on?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
In a sense, it's similar to the space race, but this one is probably more consequential.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
It's going to happen quick. In a much less sort of grand context, yesterday I had, this morning I was telling you I was having breakfast with a colleague from UT Austin. I actually also met him yesterday. He came over to the hotel and we went out. He has a Tesla. And he said that over the past month or so, I don't remember the exact time,
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
The AI abilities of the self-driving part of his Tesla, he's noticed a huge improvement, like a really discreet jump. And so we were driving. We were going to a coffee shop. And he wasn't looking at the road, and he wasn't using his hands, and the car was driving. Oh, yeah. I have one. Okay. So for you, it doesn't seem perceptually. No, it's bananas. Oh, okay.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
The whole thing. And so this was the first time I was fully immersed in a self-driving car. And I was telling him, hey, Richard, are you sure that this is okay? And he's like, oh yeah, no, it's fine. My children come in. And it was like mind-blowing experience.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
500% better. It's way better. Yeah. Like I said, now- What specifically? It makes better decisions?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
Like, shouldn't you learn from new information? So in behavioral decision making, in psychology of decision making, there's a whole field that studies what are the types of cognitive traps that people succumb to precisely to not alter their original position. And Leon Festinger, I don't know if you know, he's the pioneer who developed the theory of cognitive dissonance.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
You know, it's funny because linking it back to my area of research in psychology decision-making, there was a psychologist who has now passed away, a very famous psychologist named Paul Meal, M-E-E-H-L, who in the 1950s was already doing studies looking at what's called actuarial versus clinical judgments. What does that mean?
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#2263 - Gad Saad
Let's suppose I were to tell you that when it comes to making decisions for your admissions to a university... Using an actuarial model, meaning putting in all of your admissions data and allowing a model to decide yes or no, is a much better mechanism than to allow humans to make that choice. Because humans can be hungry at 11.45 and they're pissed off because their blood sugar is low.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
And depending on whether their blood sugar is low or not, they may make a different decision on the exact same file. so that he tried to argue that actuarial decisions for certain structured decisions will end up having much better, fairer outcomes for university applicants, and people were still reticent to allow the machine to make decisions. They wanted it to be in the hands of humans.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
And so I think, the reason why I thought of this example is because when you said, I don't like the machine to be driving, I want to be in control,
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
What that to me suggests is that no matter how much actuarial evidence you might provide to people telling them, on average, you're much less likely to get into an accident if the self-driving car drives, most people are going to have the bias of saying, no, I can't relinquish control. Do you agree with that? Yes.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
But couldn't. a couple of code lines fix what you just said?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
And so he has an amazing quote, which I use in one of my earlier books in The Parasitic Mind, where he basically says the types of mental machinations that the average human being will engage in to make sure that there is cognitive consistency in his mind. Because incoming information that contradicts my anchored position makes me feel icky. Right.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
Well, I remember in 1983, I had gone to help my brother move. He had moved to Toronto for a year, and then he ended up moving to Southern California. And I was going with him to help him move, and he took a U-Haul truck, and I took his then, I think it was called an RX-7 Mazda. Yeah. Do you remember those? Oh, yeah. Okay. And it had the cruise control on it, which was the earliest manifestation.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
So I did it a bit on the highway because we have to drive from Montreal to Toronto. Yeah, you just lay back. But I wanted to be in control. I didn't like being constrained by it's on 110 kilometers.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
I want to be able to adjust. Right. And so I played with it for about 50 kilometers and then I turned it off and I never used it again.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
Right. They're pretty incredible now. Do you foresee – have you heard of those – kind of flying taxis that they're taking? Is this kind of Jefferson stuff or is it real?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
That could happen. So is that an intractable problem that ends the project right there?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
But as someone who used to code in my computer science days, sometimes you forget the semicolon and the syntax of the programming language.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
It was like I think in the coal industry. Yes. It was that, yeah.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
So can I take credit for having reintroduced the word into the lexicon? Did you? I think you are looking at the one who made the use of the word retard. Fool again.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
So what are the kinds of mental gymnastics I'm going to go through to make sure that everything stays consistent in my mind? Which, as you might imagine, is a big obstacle for me because I'm in the business of administering mind vaccines to people, getting them to think properly.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
No, because now there's a skit that I do. Whenever I see somebody posting something, there are two levels. I retweet it, and then I go, are you retarded? Or if I'm really pissed, are you fucking retarded? Yeah. And so now people are creating like memes, t-shirts with me and are you retarded? Some people have said my next book after my current one, Suicidal Empathy, will be are you retarded?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
No, that you've never used? I mean, obviously there's a million words in the lexicon that I haven't used just because, I mean, words that we know that we find too objectionable to use. Can you guess what mine would be? What is it? It's the C word. Really? I've never used it. And I don't like when- You mean hang out in England more. I know. That's what I was going to say.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
You feel that we're going to one day be able to just, our conversation will just be, we're looking at each other in the eyes.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
What would be the material means by which that gets instantiated? How would we do that?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
But if the reality is that the architecture of the human mind is not built to change their positions, then I'm up Schitt's Creek.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
So there is... and I may have mentioned this before on this show, I can't remember, there is something to what you're saying, not quite telepathically, but so you know brain imaging. FMRI. FMRI, right? So an FMRI, I put you through the machine, and I'm able to look at which areas of your brain are getting more activated, either through blood flow or oxygenation or whatever, right?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
So if I'm studying the psychology of fear-based appeals or advertising, Well, I expect your amygdala to light up more because that's an emotional center where you expect fear to be processed, right?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
So there is some researchers, I think out of UCLA, that took, I can't remember if it's like a sentence. So let's say eight different sentences. I'm getting the methodology wrong, but the general idea is valid. And based on the activation pattern that they see, they're able to tell you which sentence would have been said by looking at the brain image. Do you understand what I'm saying? Yeah.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
I think the explosion, though, is you could go on and see porn that you and I don't even know they exist.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
Because each of those enunciated sentences or things that I thought about, will necessitate a different invoking of a particular region in my brain, right?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
And therefore, so I can't be to the point where I'm able to read your mind in the way that if you and I were having a telepathic conversation would happen, but at least I'm able to know if you just thought about something fearful or you thought about a house. And so now they're already doing that.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
Right. Yes. As it advances. Yeah, exactly. So I've written two papers, academic papers, on the brain imaging paradigm. And I used a term that I first learned of from my doctoral professor. I did one of my minors in my PhD was cognitive studies, studies of the brain. And his name is Frank Kyle. He's now a professor at Yale University. He called it the illusion of explanatory profundity.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
He was applying it to something else, but I applied it to brain imaging. Let me explain what I mean by that. There are studies that show that if you take the exact same paper, and in one version, you actually put an image of a brain imaging thing, and in the other version of the paper, you don't do that, and you ask people to judge. It's the exact same paper. Right.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
Right? Right, of course. Packaging matters because it just... Showing the brain, which looks cool and science-y with all kinds of activation pattern, is science-y.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
This other paper, which is exactly the same paper, doesn't have it. It's not as science-y. So hence, illusion of explanatory profundity. You're thinking that you're explaining something very profound, but it really is you don't know what the hell you're talking about. So I think... Brain imaging so far has been very powerful as a diagnostic tool because you could see things in vivo.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
You could actually see certain things that before you had to do an invasive surgery to see. But to be able to fully, like now there are neuro marketing firms that tell you, that sell you, based on the activation patterns of your consumers, we can help you design better marketing campaigns, bullshit.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
They're doing that 100%. Albeit, there are a few people that have come around, let's say to Trump. No? Don't you think?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
Wow. Yeah, see if you can find that story. That's interesting.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
And they don't have to know. Well, even on a much more basic level, eyewitness testimony has been shown to be unbelievably unreliable.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
The pioneer of that research, I give so many shout-outs to people who become famous after hearing about me on the show. Elizabeth Loftus, who's a venerable psychologist at University of California, Irvine, where I was for a few years, She is the pioneer of having studied the inaccuracy of eyewitness testimony.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
And once you see her research, you shudder to think how many people have gone to the gas chamber because someone said, of course, I absolutely saw him. It was him.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
You know what I'm, as a psychologist, what interests me is, and you see it almost in every show. I like, I don't know if you know the show, it's called Interrogation Raw, where the whole hour series is, there's a case and now they bring in the guy and they're actually filming interrogation that's happening. And invariably in almost every case that I've watched, it's the same dynamic.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
The guy who eventually is convicted always thinks that he's smarter than these hick hillbilly cops that don't know anything. And seeing how the cops play them. how they really are amazing psychologists themselves to know how. Good cop, bad cop. The whole thing.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
And so I love watching that interaction because the guy comes in and does his whole song and dance and he truly, because he's gotten away with it for much of his life. And then, you know, I'm just aw shucks, a stupid country boy who doesn't know what I'm talking about.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
So here's an incredible story about serendipity that relates to serial killers. So in 1989, I'm then with a girlfriend. We're going to the Charlevoix region, which is in northern Quebec. It's about five, six hours north of Montreal by car, where it's very famous because the beluga whales come there to mate, the white St. Lawrence whales.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
I don't know if you know them, but they're these beautiful, very rare whales. They're all white. And so we had gone up there, and we end up at this inn in the middle of Quebec countryside. And I walk in there. There's this tall American greeting me. I'm surprised. Does he speak English? He's speaking English to me. So I put a book. That's crazy enough up there, right? Absolutely. And so...
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
I have a book with me that I'm reading. At the time, I was thinking, you know, maybe I'll go into maybe forensic psychiatry, which would mean I would go to med school or I'd go into forensic psychology because I was very interested in criminology. But then I decided, I think rightly so, that it's too dark for me also as a career. And so I was reading a book titled Alone with the Devil.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
which you could probably pull it up, which is a book that was written by a forensic psychiatrist out of L.A. County system where he was the forensic psychiatrist who would interview many of the most famous serial killers that were running through L.A. County back then. The Angelo Bueno, the Hillside Stranglers, the Night Stalker, all those insane ones in Southern California.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
And so hence, along with the devil, meaning him sitting with him. And as I put the book down, this is the guy who's checking me into this kind of bed and breakfast place. He looks at it and he goes, oh, I know the author. And I'm thinking, how does this American guy who's in northern Quebec know this author who's a forensic psychiatrist in L.A.?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
Oh, and then he said, I didn't do that. He said, I didn't do it. That's right.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
He goes, oh, I used to be a public defender in the L.A. county system. Then he met a woman who was a Quebecer and then they moved there together. And I used to work with this psychiatrist. And as we started talking, he goes, all I could tell you, so this is 1989, so I'm like a 23, 24-year-old guy with long hair.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
And I was telling him that I have a brother who was in Southern California, so I always go see him. And he goes, all I can tell you is don't ever, ever do something that gets you to go to L.A. County Jail for even a night. because if you piss off the cops, they'll throw you in there and they just scream, fresh fish out of water, and then the guys will have their way with you.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
And so I made sure to never drink and drive in L.A. County because I don't think I would have lasted 14 seconds.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
Let me finish. Fast forward to 2013. I am in Lubbock, Texas. I've been invited to speak at the Life Sciences and Politics Conference. I'm the plenary speaker, and the political scientist who invited me there takes me out for a Texan barbecue. And as we're chatting, he goes, you know, I know you're from Quebec. You know, my father lives in Quebec. I said, your father, you're okay.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
Can I just take a guess who your father might be? And I said, was your dad a public defender in the L.A. county system? He looks at me as though I'm like an oracle. Yeah. He goes, yes, that's my dad. So imagine I meet a guy in 1989 based on this book and he knows that guy. Fast forward many, many years later, I meet his son who just tells me, oh, my dad lives in Quebec.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
I take a shot at throwing and it was that guy that I met in 1989. How is that for the metaphysics of life?
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#2263 - Gad Saad
So I do have one non-sexy explanation that can explain this. Okay. One of his parents was a huge fan of that author, read that book, And in honor of that character, actually called Elon Musk, Elon. Sure, that's great.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
Have you seen when Trump explains that? Yeah. It's hilarious. It's so amazing.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
I would love to know what was the mechanism by which for each of those stories that you came up with, who came up with? Was it just a fan of one of those books who said, wait a minute?
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#2263 - Gad Saad
Amazing story. So what, how... What are some of the things that you take away when you interact with Elon? Because I've been fortunate enough to get to know him better now and so on, and I'm just amazed by what an amazing guy he is. What are some of your views?
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#2263 - Gad Saad
So I'll tell you a background story because we're talking about Trump. And of course, he came on your show. I was speaking to one of his senior advisors prior to him agreeing to come on your show. And I was saying, you know, hey, I would love to have President Trump for a chat and so on. He goes, oh, that's fantastic. What would you like to talk about? What angle would you like to do? to pursue.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
And to think that there are so, like when this Nazi salute thing came out, and of course, you know, I debunked it and there's some way to it because I happen to be Jewish and I know him. But do you really need me to come out with my imprimatur to say, no, no, no? People don't really believe he made a Nazi salute.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
Or did you see when he said, I don't know if it was after Ben Shapiro, when he went with him to, I think it was Auschwitz or something, and he said- I am Jew-ish. Yes.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
Well, the last time I was in Austin, we had met up in person, but it was delayed, our meeting, because he ended up having to go to all sorts of depositions. And so he would be texting me and saying, oh, I'm in this hellish deposition. And then later when we met, he kind of told me a bit about it.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
I mean, I won't share some of the stuff, but I'm thinking, you know, if at my level I get people coming after me, It's unimaginable to even think at what level, right? For me, it's a troll coming after me or an annoying academic or an Islamist who sends me a death threat. Okay, fine. But I mean, he's getting governments attacking him. But yet, he just keeps trucking along. It's unbelievable.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
Well, I mean, literally within a few days of it being maybe even the same day of it being announced that he was buying it. I had put out a clip on my channel where I said, of all things that Elon Musk has ever done or will ever do, none will ever count as much as him having bought Twitter.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
And I said, well, you know, I think that a lot of people have this wrong impression of President Trump. If he was given a long format setting where we can just chat, people would see that he's funny and he's not this ogre. And of course he came on your show. There's no point coming on my show once he's been on your show. And I think you did exactly that with him.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
So I've been asked in many different contexts, do you think that this is it, this is the end of all the parasitic stuff? And I keep imploring people to not be complacent. Yeah, not be complacent. Exactly, because sure, Donald Trump is a huge doorstop to all the insanity, but here's the analogy I like to draw.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
So you know how there's the evolution of the superbug that comes about because of the misapplication of the antibiotic regimen?
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#2263 - Gad Saad
So what happens, basically? I mean, it literally is a natural selection experiment, right? So because I'm supposed to take the antibiotics for five days... but I only take it for two days and I immediately feel a lot better, I stop taking it. But what that has created is that the weak bacteria have died off, whereas the ones that have survived until that point have only become stronger.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
And through the misapplication of the prescription for antibiotics, I then contribute to the evolution of the superbug. So I argue, so I'm analogizing now with the woke mind virus If you don't completely do the antibiotic regimen fully, which in this case means eradicating all those parasitic ideas everywhere, right?
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#2263 - Gad Saad
Because it took 50 to 100 years for those bad ideas to originally be spawned and flourish in the university ecosystem. So you're not going to get rid of them in a four-year term with Donald Trump, and we never see them again. So it has to be a continuous cultural war to eradicate those.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
Now, you'd like to think that it won't take 50 to 100 years to eradicate them, but it's not going to start and end with Trump. I'm thinking you agree with that.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
Just one clip. Fucking amazing. Oh, so I should watch the whole thing?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
Well, and so actually in my forthcoming book that I'm trying to wrap up now, Suicidal Empathy, I have a section where I talk about these kinds of immigration arguments and I use something from cognitive psychology. It's called categorization theory. How do you categorize something? So when people say, you're such a hypocrite, Gad, you're an immigrant. Why are you railing against immigrants?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2263 - Gad Saad
So that a lot of people, several people that I know who hated Trump after they sort of watched him on your show, they're like, he's kind of cool. And so that was exactly what I was hoping to do had I had the privilege of having him chat with me. And, of course, you pulled it off.
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#2263 - Gad Saad
Your buddy, Elon Musk is an immigrant. And so then I usually give them the following analogy, satirical analogy, but a valid one. I say, Fido the house cat is a feline. So is the male lion in the African jungle. They're both called feline. Therefore, I'm just as likely to want to snuggle when I go on a safari in Namibia next to the feline called feline. the male lion.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Right. I think I would like the rich part. And then I would just do something with animals. Oh, there you go. Yeah, I love animals. Yeah, I know you do. People forget. I can tell. But like...
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I mean, Marshall is so beautiful. Like, if I ever go bald, I told you I want, like, a wig. I don't know how white women are now just wearing Golden Retriever's wigs because it's beautiful. His hair.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I mean, everyone thinks white people smell anyway. Who gives a shit? You remember the first time you heard that black people thought white people smell like dogs? You're like, we love dogs.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Oh, yeah. Really? They always think we smell like dogs. It's like, try hurting my feelings.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
All I know is black people think white people smell like dogs. Wet dogs don't get wet.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I think it's more than one black person saying it.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Well, I hang out with a lot of black people. Maybe they always say it to you.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I'm like, that doesn't hurt my feelings. I love dogs. Yeah, dogs are great. They're amazing.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
No, but if you get one of those hairless ones, you have to clean their nails and their skin and stuff.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
What do black people smell like when they're wet?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Yeah, but you ever see what they're doing in India?
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Yeah, Ari's the best. But he's also so autistic, which is why him even producing my special was so good because he's so focused and he knows exactly what to do.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Love stand-up. He's the best at not killing seats for the show. He is the best person for that.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I was there for it. I opened for it. It was so hot. And he taped it in June. It was so hot. I was on stage. I did like 15 minutes. I'm like, oh, it's really hot in here.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Probably. I'm sure there was some like there might have been a fire marshal they had to hire just to make sure.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
But even if the whole place goes on fire, what's he going to do? He's like, well, there's a fire. What's he going to do?
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Right. So what is he going to do? I mean, you would need so many fire extinguishers.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
What if it gets a hold of like the curtain? Yeah.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
That'd be fun if there was a fire. What a stupid idea to put your fucking candles on stage. That'd be amazing.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
What's crazy, I was with him in, I guess it was Charlotte when the whole Colby thing happened. And he was sick. I was like, oh, we were on the road. I was like, just go to sleep. And then I wake up and I'm like, what did you do? I was like, you're sick. You're supposed to go to sleep. And then I was like, oh, Ari.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
And then the funniest part is people are like, we're going to kick your ass if you're ever in North Carolina. And he's like, I'm there. They're like, all right, well, if you come to where I'm at, we're going to kick your ass.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Sure. I also don't think he knew. He didn't know the daughter was there. He was just doing it about Kobe.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I mean, I would think that he – I've heard about him having big parties.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
What's funny is the Uber came to pick us up the next day and it's like just like a black dude picking us up. And he's like, I got to go to the bathroom. He takes us to like a transient bus station. Uber guy? Yes. Oh, God. And I'm like, does this guy know? It's a setup. I'm like, are we going to get murdered? The guy leaves for like 20, 30 minutes to take a shit. No way.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
If he would have not had that flip phone, he wouldn't have done the Kobe stuff.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Yeah, he doesn't regret it. Have you talked to him?
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
But he didn't mock the daughter. He just mocked him. It's true.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
So I asked him, do you regret doing it? He's like, no. Of course he said that. And nobody really, like people were upset. That's the whole thing with cancellations. People are upset for like two, three days and then they forget.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Bridget sent me that thing about the FEMA person who got fired because if you had a Trump, yeah, if you had like a Trump thing on your. Can you imagine that? I know, but it's like if you have any signs, that means your house didn't get hit hard by a hurricane.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Any sign. But that's what I'm saying. If you have any sign.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
If your roof came off, you think that sign is going to be there?
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Oh, I know. But I'm just saying what's funny to me is like if you have a sign and it didn't lift off the ground, like how hard was your house hit? Could be flooding.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Oh, absolutely. I don't I'm I was making a joke. Like if you have any sign there and it survived a hurricane like your house is probably fine.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Also, I want FEMA funds to go to the fire festival. Like that's all our money should be going through is white guys trying to run a festival who fail.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
It was never – It's just weird, too, because he always had the white parties where you have to wear all white, and I just feel like that's the worst color for body fluids.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Because he wants to be cool. You know what I mean?
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
He wants to party with people. But didn't he get like famous people to go? I think a lot of people pulled out.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
No, but who was the guy that was like, not Jadakiss. Ja Rule? Ja Rule was doing it with him. I mean, if you have Ja Rule on anything, it's not going to be well.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I think he was just like one of the faces of it. I don't know if he put money in it or not.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I don't know. He was there. They brought all these influencers out. I mean, listen, if he pulled it off, it would have been pretty good. I mean, he did have everyone post at the same time, like, what was it, that orange box or something? Oh, yeah. So, like, everyone saw it, and they were like, oh, what's this? And then all these, like, rich kids are there, and they're, like, crying.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I mean, honestly, the Fyre Festival was for all of us. That's what it was.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
For all of us to see all these kids crying in these FEMA tents, and it was amazing. Yeah. It was amazing.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Maybe that's how he kept track of who he fucked. That person's already gotten it. That person's already covered in disgusting stuff. That's how he kept track of it.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Oh, my God. I hope the cartel finds out. This year?
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Who the fuck is going to... Who's going to Mexico for a fucking fire festival? That's crazy. Just go to Cancun. It's so much closer. Yeah, yeah. Fire festival.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I mean, that's all. Everything's about an Instagram post.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Yeah, they do that. I was in CVS and they were doing a sketch and everyone's like, you got to get out of here.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Yeah, there's a bunch of people with cameras and they were trying to do a sketch and they were screaming and this girl was like, this girl behind the counter is a nice girl and she's also like a little bit slow. So she's trying to get these people out of there. It's just like chaos. I get why people steal in CVS because nobody helps you and you're like, I will just steal.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
It's just you're better off stealing than waiting there for somebody to come help you. It's just a nightmare.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Well, that's where veterans go to work. They send you back.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Yeah. I mean, you could get famous opening like unboxing videos. Like, I mean, if you could do that, why wouldn't you want to do that? I mean, I'd have a kid just to see if they could do that.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
It's like, why even go to school if you can just unbox a video? Look at this.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
If you're from another country and you're like, why don't we just bomb America? That might be. That's crazy.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I've seen those cars, but there's no one operating them and they're just driving.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
What's interesting is the retail and the home health aides, they're the same people doing both jobs because they can't afford to live just one job.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Yeah. I mean, it makes sense. People are making a ton of money off of it. That's why people are like filming every single thing that they do.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
And also if it's like something crazy, if somebody's fighting, like a fight. That helps. Yeah.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I watch it too, but sometimes it's so monotone. It's just one monotone person to another monotone person.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
He is. And he's actually still kind of good looking. Like even for an older dude. Yeah. Why not? He's still so good looking and she's just so miserable. Yeah.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I mean, listen, I've watched the Kardashians. I get it.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I mean, I wish Kris Jenner was my mother. I mean, the way she's made these kids so famous. Like, could you imagine telling your kid to fucking have a sex scene and then release it? Do you think that she did that? Yeah, she absolutely did that. For sure? I think so. Really? I'm pretty sure. Hmm.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I think she did, and I think it was the smartest thing she could have done for all their careers.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Go watch it. You would never think a mom would put that out there, but it was pretty brilliant. My mom would never do something like that for me.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Sure. Yeah, it takes an unconventional woman to, like, release your kid's sex tape.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Ray J was more famous than Kim when they did that. Right. And now Ray J's like nowhere. If his mother also was on top of it with Chris, he could have been a bigger star too. Nobody gives a shit about Ray J anymore.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
He's a good-looking guy, though. He's got a big dick. He is a good-looking guy. Got a big dick. I assume. You know, I never saw the video. How dare you lie to me like that right to my face? That he has a big dick?
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I didn't. I saw the video, but I didn't see his dick in it. What did you see? I think I saw it too late. I seen it years later. I seen it years later. I checked it out too late when the dick wasn't in it. What?
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I think the dick was eventually removed. Come on. I don't know. I've been searching for it pretty hard.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Why is it blocked in Texas? That's the weirdest thing.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Okay, I guess. Well, I'm going to go home and search it.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I mean, we broke up eventually. He was also a little autistic. And then he went to see a sex therapist and I think they were fucking. So I guess she fixed it.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I mean, that's what he told me. I don't think he was like lying about it. What a bitch. Yeah, but you have to like, it's like any other addiction. You have to like stop doing it. I didn't even know he had it.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
But like with porn addiction, you're so used to, like he would have like 300 screens open at once, so one person to him is boring. So that's what porn addiction is. I'm exaggerating, but you need a lot of different things open, and it probably has to get more and more progressive for you to get off.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I mean, it doesn't matter what color you are. America does not want a woman in charge.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
But that's why I think you have all those screens open. You're watching all of it at once.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I don't know. He didn't tell me, like, the specifics of it. We had been broken up already, and we, like, remained friends, and he just told me that they started sleeping together.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I mean, if I was in prison, I would try and fuck all the guards. What else are you going to do? I would do everything. I'd become Muslim. I would become trans. I would do everything I could do in prison.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
If you're there for life, I'm down to do everything. I'll do license plates. I'm going to do hair. I'm going to cook. I'm going to do everything there.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Well, also in China, they all live in like tiny boxes anyway, which are prisons.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I'd rather be in prison. How do you get in prison?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Well, Hillary had a lot of experience, too. She's been doing this for a long time.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I mean, that is basically just Xi'an. That's what they're doing in China.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
But it works just as good? It does not work as good.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
That's why you need Riot, so you can steal the stuff. It all comes back to that.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
No. Kamala Harris is just not good. She's definitely not good at interviewing either.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
To make sure your refrigerator's not doing something.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
What's going on in there? What are you doing? How many ice cubes have you made?
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Is there a correlation between them, like, stopping killing baby girls in China with making all of this stuff? Or they go, like, let's keep them alive so we can have them- No, I think they just woke up and said, we have, like, 85% men. Right.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
They have to keep fucking all these guys. Yeah. There's not enough women.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
You talk to him on WhatsApp? Yeah, I talk to him on WhatsApp. What does he say?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Yeah, but he didn't start out rich, though, did he? No.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Yeah, but some people are rich and their families had money the whole time. That's weird. Yeah.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
the joe rogan experience train by day joe rogan podcast by night all day of course it's pretty tight is it tight you mean no no nice like tight nice nice i feel like they're gonna sue me for the shirt i don't know do you sell it i'm trying to
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Sure, but if someone asks you a rogue question, then you have to be ready to answer it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
You're so rich where you're like, I really want to fuck shit up for everyone.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Sorry. No worries. It happens all the time. I'll clean it. I'm a woman. I'll clean it. I know my place.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I kind of love it. I kind of love that this guy's so nuts.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
And then you're like, I'm just going to stop water from happening. I love somebody that thinks they can do that much damage to the world.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
That's fine, but imagine blocking out the sun. That's crazy. Yeah.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I've never had it. It's nasty. I bet it's disgusting.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Just eat legumes and whatever you're going to eat.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Just like, well, I'm still alive. Yeah, that would be funny. Right. That's what she should do. If she could be funny. Well, I'm a person.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
It's pretty healthy. It's very healthy. It's like vegetables and all that stuff's pretty good.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Right. I mean, you have to be close to a bathroom, but it is pretty good.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I guess you just feel left out. Like what is the point of pretending to eat that?
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Not if I'm dead. I could talk about it until I'm dead.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Gross. It's all gross. Just eat a burger or eat beans or whatever you can eat.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
It can't be healthy to manufacture it like that.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
You ever see what tempeh looks like? Oh, it's nasty. I know. My friend was eating it one time. I was like, that looks disgusting.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
And tofu doesn't taste good. I mean, I know it picks up the flavor, whatever it is. But on its own, it has no taste.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I was surprised she didn't come on the podcast a little bit.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Do vegetarians not eat any vegetables either? Aren't there some people that believe all that's- Oh, fruitarians.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
You still have to be better off having a fruit juice over a Diet Coke. Or not a Diet Coke, a regular Coke.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
There's plenty of fiber in there. Okay, so let me answer this. If you're drinking orange juice, how come your body doesn't recognize that as an orange?
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I only have fruit, but other than that, I don't have any cookies or cake or any of that stuff.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I feel better. I mean, I lost a ton of weight. You did. You look great. Thanks. How much did you lose? From the last time I was here, probably like 45, 50 pounds, but I also was working out too.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
They do, but, like, I have a friend who's, like, losing weight. It doesn't matter how much you weigh. It doesn't weigh on your joints. And I'm like, you know that's, like, not true.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I know, but you just kind of have to let people think that because what am I going to do, fight with you about it? Just, okay, fine.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
It doesn't make a difference how much you weigh, like, on your knees. A guy or a girl? A girl.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
And I was like, okay. I was staying at her house too and I was like, I'm not gonna fight with you about this.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
But I think your knees are just like, we need a break.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
And you would have been the best person for her to talk to because you're not going to attack her. You would just ask her questions, but that's the problem. I don't know if she'd be able to answer those questions.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
But if you're walking around that much, you're going to lose a lot of weight to lost that much weight.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
And just walking up the stairs at the belly room, he lost 300 pounds? Just once, one time. One time? That's crazy. Why are we not having all the fat people walk? Wow.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Well, the thing is with, I mean, a lot of people that get those surgeries, you're not, if you're not figuring out the reason why you're overeating like that, it doesn't matter. You can still gain the weight back if you eat small meals all day long. I have friends that have gotten it and you just eat small meals all day long.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
And you're just still gaining the weight back. Yeah.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
No, but if you eat little meals all day and graze, you'll gain the weight back. I know people that have had that surgery and you're like, oh, you just gained a lot of your weight back.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Right. It's like the same way people abuse anything. Right. If it's alcohol or sex or drugs, you know, it's the same thing. Right. You're trying to like numb out and feel a void. So if you don't actually address that, you're not going to just stop eating.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
My dad was a gambler, and he made no money. It's the craziest thing to be a gambler when you have no real money.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Yeah, you're a way better dad. It wouldn't be better if my dad was gambling and he was like, you know, he was a mailman. You can't do both of those things at the same time.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
No, because you keep going until you eventually lose everything.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I have heard other people say that. It's so good. I got to watch it.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
My dad, for a while, my dad was like taking money from his pension, which like, yeah. So when he died, there was like really not that much money. My mom was forcing him to go to Gamblers Anonymous while he was also still gambling.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
If you don't really want to stop, you're not going to stop.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
That's why I stopped eating sugar. Because once I start eating it, I can't stop. So then once it's out of your system, you don't crave it anymore.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Are they still in prison? No. Oh, okay. Then they're fine now. Prison really builds character. You go in there, you really figure out what kind of person you are.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Doesn't sugar also just like a breeding ground for cancer, like when you have cancer? Oh, yeah.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Yeah, for sure. You're just like in a brain fog.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Well, because isn't it like if you're eating stuff that's high in carbohydrates like that, doesn't your blood sugar drop really quickly and stuff?
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
If I was eating like a lot of sugar, you almost get like that same hungover feeling as if you drink. Like I've had that where like if you binge eat sugar and then the next day you're like, oh, my God, I feel so hungover.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Cake is so fucking good while you're eating it. I know.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
That's how my dad felt gambling on the horses. He's like, this feels so good. So they would send us to Catholic school, and he would not pay tuition. And then they would call me in to talk to me. Oh, no. And I'd have to go talk to my dad.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Sure. And it's like, why are you doing that? What are you trying to numb out? Because God knows what he was. You know what I mean? Like everyone's kind of trying to fix their problems from their childhood or they're not.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
It like spikes. Like you're just like that feeling of like winning and then that feeling of losing.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
And you're like, what the fuck are you doing? Right, because that's the thing. You're chasing that high constantly. I had a friend who's a huge gambler, and he lost so much money, and no matter how much he gambles, if he's up $15,000, he's still chasing that $8 million loss. So it doesn't matter. He's constantly chasing that big loss.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
And no matter how much he wins, he's like, yeah, but I still lost all that other money. So I'm going to keep chasing this.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
And also, if you're super rich, you just have more to lose.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I know, because I don't really know how to play blackjack or anything. So I'm just like, I'm going to lose all my money.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I would like to learn, yeah. I did learn blackjack a little bit. My friend was teaching me.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
The weird one to me is someone who puts all the money on the red or black.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
It is, because don't you have to get the number? How do you even bet on that? It's such a chance.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I don't know. I just imagine like the feeling you get putting, say you put a hundred grand down and then you lose and you're like, no, that's my children's tuition.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
For the most, I mean, casinos, like there's one in Yonkers in New York. It's so depressing. It's just all old people that are there on disability just sitting there and they're doing that thing. The slots. The slots and you're smoking. Just having something exciting. I know. Just waiting to die. It's very sad. You're waiting to die. Yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
My mother told me that my grandmother was like a big gambler and she also didn't have money. It's crazy when people who are poor gambling and she would lose the money all the time, like the rent money. My grandfather used to hit her.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
And I was like, I guess he didn't hit her hard enough because she kept doing it. It didn't work. She just kept doing it.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
You really are Italian. I didn't even know you were Italian.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
That's gotta be the whole time, where you're just like, should I do this number, or should I do that number?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I mean, do psychics work? Because wouldn't you think they could predict the numbers?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I'd be a fun kill, though. They just come to the Bronx. It's so easy to just kill me.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Would you want to know the day you're going to die if you could find out?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Because then I would just take a lot more chances.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Sure, but, like, I would probably do a lot of stuff now if I knew I was going to die at, like, 70 or 80.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Because then I would try and see if I could die before. Just, like, run across the highway.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
George Washington Bridge, if I was going to do it. That's the one? That's the bridge to go off of.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I'm sure they do. But you got to do it when it screws enough people like Labor Day weekend or something. Just hold that traffic up.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Do you ever see that documentary about the people that live?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
It's interesting because some of the people that lived are like, as soon as you jump, you regret it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Just go on the ground and look for them. What are we doing up here? Why can't I go over the bridge?
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
One time I got hit by a car, a drunk driver, and they shut the highway down. All the cars are there, and you kind of just are like, it's amazing.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
It's kind of weird. You guys aren't picking your kids up. Yeah, sorry. Because this drunk driver decided to hit me.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I had a drunk driver hit my car and then asked me if I would help them push their car off the highway.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Yeah, he was so wrecked. How drunk was he? I don't know. He went away in handcuffs, but he had an Audi. It wasn't even his car.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
He was undocumented. Oh, Jesus. I don't even know. Did he have a license? I don't know, but it was crazy, the whole situation. He was like, hey, can you push me off the highway? I was like, probably not.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Everyone is texting all the time. I would rather drive with drunk drivers than people texting and driving. Because they're always all over the road.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Of course. And then you're also not paying attention to the other people who are texting and driving.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
It really is just like chaos. Maybe I'll get home. Maybe I won't.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Probably. That would be a good idea. But then you also need people to die because we're just too overpopulated. That's where fentanyl comes in. Exactly.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I'm giving them fentanyl. Because it's, like, a nice way to go out.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
But the thing is, it's like— I never see Narcan anywhere.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Well, you have to spend a lot of money on mental health. Right. You have to care about the veterans. I have a whole joke about this on my special about how we don't really care about veterans. And I've dated a lot of veterans that come back, and they're so screwed up.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
And a lot of them end up on the street, and they're crazy. But they need a lot of mental health, and you have to kind of figure out how to go back into society.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I've dated several veterans and they're crazy, understandably. You can't go to war for eight years and then come back and work at Target. It's just not a way that that happens. So you would have to be willing to help veterans. You'd have to spend money on mental health. But the problem is doing those things doesn't really yield a lot of money. So people don't want to waste their money into it.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Also, everyone's like, well, they can go to a VA hospital. It's like I've seen how hard it is to get services from there. And that's a person that's not really crazy and messed up from war.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
So it's like you're making it so hard for these people that go and serve the country.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Even for depression, I think people take it. They microdose.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
But that's the thing. I feel like I know what was probably wrong in my childhood. I know that, but it doesn't fix me.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I watched a documentary. I guess it was about the Sackler family.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I don't know. There was a couple. There was one on, I think, Hulu, and then there was one also on Netflix.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Go watch my Netflix special. Yes. The Dark Queen.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Yeah, just because I'm used to it. But I got to tell you, like, your club is amazing. I love it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I would definitely film something. Well, we love you, too. Yeah, I would definitely film my next one there.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I'm going to be moving here. Oh, shit. I'm going to come here probably like a little bit in December, and then I'm going to L.A. to promote The Dark Queen, and then I'll be here in January. Oh, shit. I know. Nice. And I'll be seeing Marshall all the time.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
He's telling everyone that. He goes, well, fine, just be a feature the rest of your life. I was like, all right, Ari, I get it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
But Ari's excited for the special. He's like, I think everyone's going to be really upset. I was like, I hope so. Listen, I want people to like it, but I also know that it's trigger topics that people are going to be upset by.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
But that's the thing. I think people think I'm trying to be dark. It's just kind of who I am.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I mean, yeah. My uncle was a hell's angel. Everyone's crazy in my family.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Yeah, and I had a friend in grammar school that killed himself and we all went to the funeral and then went out after and all of our sense of humor is so dark. And you're like, oh, that's also where I got it.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Yeah. So, like, it's just that's kind of passed down, I think.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Anyone that has like a high PTSD. EMTs. Anyone that has a high, what is it, PTSD.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
And I date a lot of guys with PTSD. That's your thing? And then I just give them more. It's a cycle of PTSD where all should be hospitalized and institutionalized.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I mean, I've had people like that. I think the tour preparing for the special was hard because it was just people coming out that didn't know my sense of humor. And if you don't know that and you're taking a chance on me, I'm not like that person to take a chance on. Right. Or I think sometimes they're like supporting a woman and I'm like, I'm not the right woman to take a chance on and support.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I've had people walk out. I did that military joke in Texas, and like 20 cowboys just walked out. And I wasn't even saying anything bad about the military. I'm like, we just don't care. We don't care about them.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
But they hung in so long through the show where it was like- That one was it? Yeah, it was probably 50 minutes in.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
It's interesting because both sides have woke things they're upset about. Oh, yeah. You know? I walk people about Ukraine, the Middle East. I was doing jokes about the Middle East and this lady was like, next.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
But like if you're willing to believe a wild story like that, how about believe this other wild thing could happen too?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
What is Jesus going to be doing anyway? Well, who knows?
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
It was all things I knew. What did you find out?
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
That's crazy, and there's no one to clean up the bodies.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Yeah, I know. Your wheelbarrow is getting stuck in someone's head. I know.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I guess that we get to do stuff that's sometimes so dumb. And people are just fighting to stay alive.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Well, it's because we also have photos and everything of it, right, from like –
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Like when I first started watching The Walking, what is it?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Walking Dead. You're like, I can't believe they just did that. And then two episodes in, you're like, oh, this is normal to me. Yeah. And it's got to be kind of what it would have been like back then. You watch someone's head get blown off and now you're like, oh yeah, that's just like a Tuesday.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Right. You can't imagine not doing that if that's all you say.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Yeah, I mean, I think if they're, like, catapulting dead bodies, it's like, who cares what you're wearing?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
You really could survive if you were just somewhere by yourself. Yeah, you could. You. I don't think I could, but I think you could survive.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Sure. But if I had that same stuff, I would be dead and you would thrive.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
What if they're starving? They won't eat like a person?
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Yeah, why wouldn't you? Because they eat plants. Yeah, but like a bird is kind of like caviar to them, probably. Probably. Like, mmm, delish.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
But also a bird can fly away. It's kind of their fault. Yeah.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Survival of the fittest. You're dead. You're now dead.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Why wouldn't you put your bird's higher? Why wouldn't you put your bird's higher? It's on the mom.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
You think so? Yeah. They know the guns are coming? Yeah.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
You could just eat it in one gulp. Yeah. Who knows what happened to the kid?
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Imagine like your kid survives cholera and then it just gets eaten.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Yeah. I think I would learn pretty quickly if I threw my shit out the window once that, like, that's not great.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I mean, I watch a video where there's like a parade and they're just throwing shit. Like that's part of the parade.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I'm sure you don't think anyone's mixing human shit in at this dung festival.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I mean, their teeth look so white because they're covered in shit. They're just covered in shit.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I mean, you see this and then you're like, you know what? It's not that bad that we're doing unboxing videos.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
They are content creators, but they don't know that. They don't know that we're watching these videos. I mean, can you imagine just being in there and just throwing shit at someone?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
It seems like in this day and age. I don't think that's an old video either.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
You said Amazon. I just thought of Amazon that I order stuff from.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I just want regular Amazon that brings, I order stuff from Amazon that's like a $3 thing and somebody's driving to my house and dropping off like whatever it is, floss.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
But it's like so, I'm spending such little money for stuff that someone's driving to my house to drop it off.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
But that's the fun you get, and you're like, this could be a TV. This could be an iPhone. It could also just be toothbrushes.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I've seen them, yeah. People just stealing videos for Christmas.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I mean, now TVs are worth nothing. They're worth nothing.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I remember that TV right there, the silver one, where it comes with its own stand, kind of.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
That's where you go over to the person's house. That person has the Super Bowl party.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I remember when I was a kid, I got a Sears credit card and I just bought my ex-boyfriend at the time rims for his car. That's what you just spend your money on.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
We should go to the one in Puerto Rico. We should bring Tony. Let's bring Tony. That'd be amazing. First of all, Puerto Ricans were not upset by that. I mean, I'm sure some were, but my friends were like, I'm still voting for Trump.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
No, but most people didn't care. They're like, I don't care.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I mean, I think honestly most people right now, their main concern is like they can't even afford groceries.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
So they're like whoever I think is going to help me with that. Listen, I don't know what is true or not true, but like people who are like I can't afford to feed my kids.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
It did. Well, didn't that guy get shot, though? Yeah, he's dead. Yeah.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
But, I mean, what else are you going to do in prison?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Listen, you can do that if you want, but most people right now are like, I can't afford to pay for groceries for my kids. I don't even have kids, but people are like, I can't afford to buy groceries. Of course. People who are making more money now are like, I can't save any money.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Okay, but at some point – Not have someone tell you what to do. I'm going to want to do hair. I'm going to want to cook at some point. Like, you just do need a routine. Otherwise, the time – how many books can you read every single day?
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Yeah. I just also like these teachers that are just like spending all their own money for supplies. It's like, what are you doing? Crazy. Why do teachers not have supplies for kids?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
And you're right. They are the future generation. So if they don't have food and they don't have they're not like being instructed and, you know, learning stuff and you have these schools where there's so many kids to one teacher.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I mean homelessness, the veterans. Let's just pick education.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
You shouldn't have a teacher that needs to buy supplies.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Figure that out. I mean, they just want more money for prisons.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
If you don't spend it on education, then you could just have these people have to turn to crime and put them in prisons. And that's how you'll get money.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Was Reagan's wife the one that was called the throat goat?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
You just need a schedule kind of just to like, I don't know, that just helps your day go by. Like even if you hated it, you still need, like when I was on unemployment for a period, I'm like, I'm actually very bored. You know what I mean? Like you like it for a couple of days, but you need that routine to kind of like, I don't know, if I was in prison, I'd want a job.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
That's not necessarily a bad thing. Good for her.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
They're just throwing bodies on fire, and then also there's throat goat glasses.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
You'd probably put shit on their balls so you couldn't smell what their actual balls smelled like. You're like, I'd rather smell straight shit than listen to that. So gross. That has to be the worst mouth.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Yeah, I mean, they're probably cleaning a toilet and also your asshole.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Do you think P. Diddy is in prison waiting for the Clintons to just kill him?
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
You have your hand on your balls. And you're just fucking now frozen in time like that.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I don't know. Those people. Yeah. That looks that's on the way down.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Instantaneously. Somebody's like, that's Bob and Tom.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
When I was in Hawaii, I think one of the volcanoes did go off.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
It's like, hey, I'm going to get volcano insurance.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
What's weird too with stuff like that, anytime it's like an adjuster, if you get the right adjuster, they can do whatever you want. But you have to get an adjuster who's going to do it. Like I used to call and do like appeals for health insurance stuff. And if you kind of sweet talk someone, they might just put it through for you.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
You have to just keep calling back until you get an adjuster that's going to give you what you want.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Right. Or like your car is totaled and we're going to pay for it or we're not.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I mean, my first car I had was like a Ford Tempo. And I remember the steering wheel like came off in my lap as I was driving it. And I was just like picked it up and just kept driving.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
My dad also would just like want to paint a car. So he would just like start painting a car and prime it, like half of it, and then he would give up. So we'd have like a two-colored car as a child. It's like so embarrassing.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Yeah, poor cars are not good. All the time. And then my mom got into a car accident and then we got a car with that money.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
The Ford Tempo was like five grand. It had like bright red pleather inside. Bright red platter. I remember, yeah, I was driving that car, me and my friends on the highway, and I'm like, oh, the steering wheel just came down, but it's still connected. So I just pick it up and, like, make the turn.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I don't know. It just, like, fell in my lap when I was driving. And I just picked it up and, like, still drove it.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
My dad, though, knew a guy who would just keep passing that car.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. It's a person that's not an adjuster, but if you know them, they'll do it for you.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I think there'd probably be a lot of riots. Like, I don't know, what else would you do?
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Yeah, but I mean, there's so many things like that. Yeah.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
All about knowing a guy. It's all about like what you can get away with.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
New York City is disgusting and I've lived there my whole life. I hate it, but I can't imagine like living anywhere permanently for the rest of my life.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I don't know. I'm not sure. I mean, I can't live here during the summer. I can't do it like flying roaches. Whatever those things are, I just can't. I'm out.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I just see them out. It was like 105 degrees here when I came last June with Ari, and it was just like, we were in his house. He got a really nice Airbnb.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Yeah, I was thinking Trump might not win and there was going to be a bunch of riots and I would be able to just get, like, a free computer. Like, I was kind of hoping for that.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I mean, I was in the room in the bathroom, and there was one like this big.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Sure, people eat people. It doesn't make it cool or right, but you can eat whatever you want.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Anyway, I go to get Ari to kill it, and he's like, oh, it just flew. I'm like, what? That is like a new fear unlocked. It flew?
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Maybe. It might not have been a roach, but like, forget it.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I mean, I just remember being out like outside on like a bar here and they were just.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
No, I want it for free. Listen, a free computer is better than a computer you have to pay for.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I can handle the heat over those bugs. Just stay away from the bugs.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Sure, maybe I'm in the poor places, but their bugs are just, I can't deal with the flying.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I don't care about that. I mean, yeah, it's not great, but those big things, I can't.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
No, if they're rioting, everything's for free. That's the rule.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Oh, what I'll miss about being here as opposed to New York?
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Why are they not eating the cicadas also? That's pretty cool, though.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
What else do they eat? They can't eat just mosquitoes. Mosquitoes.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
But that's what I'm saying. During Black Lives Matter, I lived by a CVS that was getting broken into all the time. I had shampoo and conditioner for years.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
He lives in, I guess, the country, and he's trying to put up those places where bats will come to eat the mosquitoes. I guess you put up those little bat houses or whatever, put pheromones in them, I guess, and he can't get them to come there because he has a lot of mosquitoes because he lives by a lake.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Well, yeah, I don't think he's going to get these bats.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Do you know what I need? I need an expert for pantry moths.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I mean, I have pantry moths for the last three months, and I can't get rid of them.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Yeah, why not? I was in there when it was happening.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Is there still new stuff to find out about bats?
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Wink. They're all jokes. Wink is a lot. Listen, I was just supporting Black Lives Matter, and that's how you do it.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
It's going in your mouth. What a crazy turn of events.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
So you can't play in that shit like you can play in cow shit.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I mean that orange crocodile looks pretty cool. That's a pretty dope looking crocodile. I'd like a pair of boots.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I mean, that's pretty much how it is in every CVS. And white people don't buy sunscreen because we want to be dark. So no one's stealing it or buying it.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Imagine going to Jamaica for spring break and that's where you go.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I only want a dragon if it's going to just have fire come out of its mouth.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I never watch Game of Thrones. I know. How dare you. I know. It's so good. I keep trying to get into it, and I can't.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I didn't watch it. I have no idea. You didn't watch it either? Could you not get into it?
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
People do that and they're like smoking cigarettes. It's like, what are you doing? Just get cancer.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Oh, yeah. As soon as I came in, he was just, like, biting my sneaker.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Yeah. Like, if he was a person, he'd be a dictator. He's, like, nuts.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
No, no way. He'd be killing people with the shit sponge, just plunging it right in their throat.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Imagine how bad your life has to be. Yeah, I think you're like, I'm just going to off myself with this shit stick.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Imagine you don't die right away either. You definitely don't die right away. You're just like ingesting those fumes.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
It's like smelling salt. I bet that shit wakes you right up.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I thought it wasn't even that close to me. It's like chlorine, but the most chlorine. So I worked at a place that did abortions. It was like an OBGYN and they used to have that stuff to wake people up.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
You want to try it again, don't you? No, I don't.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I'm not a gambler. I'll give you a couple minutes. I'm not a gambler.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
That's crazy because I didn't even have it that close to my face.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
You get into a car accident and you want to get more money. You just do that for whiplash. Take a couple blasts of that. What is that stuff? It just smells like ammonia.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I mean, I've smelled it before, too, but, like, that is very strong. It's the strongest. It was, like, here, and I smelled it.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
How do they like get it in crystal form? No. Okay. You do first.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I don't care. I'm not going to breathe in it. I'm going to lie. I'm going to pretend I'm doing it. You did it. You had the full experience the first time. That first time was, like, brutal.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
You don't think you would die from that right away? It's ammonia.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
No, I just feel like these pedophile rings have to cross points, you know, at some point.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Probably not. People who were eating Tide Pods don't.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Remember when they were locking up detergent because kids were eating Tide Pods? We were like, I don't know, man. If you're eating those Tide Pods, you deserve it.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
It's also interesting because one time we were at the cellar and Louie kept telling me that I needed vitamin D because I'm so white. And I was just like, is that a real thing? It just sounds like dick. I was like, wait, what? Yeah, you need vitamin D. I was like, is that like a real thing? Yeah, you're so white, you need some vitamin D. So you need to get fucked by somebody.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Tide Pods is probably one of the top. I'm lucky Tide Pods weren't around when I was a kid. You would have definitely been eating them.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
They do feel cool though. They're like soft. What is in them? Detergent.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I think they probably knew it pretty early and they were like, I'm betting on this game though. Let them keep it in each other.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
What about football people, like, you know, concussions and stuff?
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Right, because this guy's like the sign of strength.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
That's the only thing that's going to keep me alive.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I mean, it makes sense. People that are homeless are just like fingering themselves all the time. There must be something to it.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I mean, I bet he wasn't a good time to be around.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Sure, but they also are like, I want to stay alive. I want to prolong this homelessness. Keep me alive as long as we can.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I mean, that's better than the people that have traumatic brain injuries and become pedophiles. True. Like, definitely pray for the mathematic genius.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Oh, no. Your joke was about somebody taking medicine.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
And what did you say, you lost like $600,000 or something?
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
But then when he stopped taking the drug, he was okay. He got back to normal.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
It's crazy to stop doing that and then you're like, wow, I remember all those dicks I took. That was a crazy time.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I mean, all of the homeless people on 6th Street are just fingering themselves constantly.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
It's just crazy that both of those things are like the same in this guy's head.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Didn't they make that happen on Aaron Hernandez?
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
But all those people that have those high CTE counts, they're not killing people either. Some of them are. Not a lot.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I think you're out of your mind. You have to be out of your mind. You're like, who cares?
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Yeah, that's what I was going to say. He wasn't playing as long as some of these other people.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
It's crazy, too, that you just keep playing football because you make so much money from it.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Right, so he might have been a little unhinged to begin with.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
There's a fine line. There's a fine line. Between genius and brain dead.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Do you hear that? Do you remember that story? I don't know if when Mitch Hedberg did his special for Comedy Central, it took so long because he was, like, bombing the whole way through. Do you never heard that?
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
I mean, he's like a genius, but like his special, he was not doing well and they kept filming it and like finally he's like sitting down on those stairs because I think he had been at it for a while. And you watch that special and it's like hilarious. He's like a genius. So funny. But like, yeah, in the room, it just was not going well.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Right. That's not a great person for you to follow.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Well, what's funny, too, is like Louis, you know, directed and he's like, let's do this thing. At first he was like, let's do this thing where nobody knows you're filming a special. He's like, you know, you're just going out there and like, you know, usually half the crowd loves me and half the crowd doesn't. So I was like, let's do one show like that.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
and that show i tapped down to the hallway and it was so brutal i left that the first two shows we did i was like the first one was okay and the second one was so brutal because none of them knew who i were they didn't know i was doing a special they just thought they were coming for a regular show and i'm up there for an hour and people like there was like seven people that liked me but like we all left so dejected like louis was like i can't even watch this
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
and Ari I seen Ari being like so depressed and then I went home that night and I was like I'm gonna have to quit comedy oh my god and then the next two shows the next night were amazing but like yes I'm not for everyone yeah you're not for everybody not even my biological father
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
But you have an I first, this funky I. But everyone always thinks it's an L, so that's why I was like, we need to use a font where it's an I. So it's A-D-R-I-E-N-N-E, and then the last name's I-A-P-A-L-E.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Like, okay, obviously we're not going to help homeless people. Like, there's no money in helping poor people. Like, let's give them all fentanyl. Clean up the streets. Do the kindest thing we can for them.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Yeah. If I'm on the street for longer than a week, please kill me. It's not going well.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
How many CEOs were like, I was on the street for years. Zero CEOs. And then I got some vitamin D. Well, how many CEOs enjoy life?
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
I think it's just badass that we can have that opportunity in America and that we can fall back on that. And if times do get hard, there's a certain piece once you understand the craft of it, a little bit of that rule of living and knowing how to skin a deer. knowing the best parts. And yes, you can't eat it all. You know, you can eat organs, you can eat real meat, you can do all those things.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
But at the end of the day, there's a certain piece as a man, especially. And I think overall, even though we're in a world to where, you know, we got these equality and women can do what men can do or supposedly. But at the end of the day, I've always looked at it that. My job is to provide, you know, safety, some type of structure, food and care for my family.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And any man that's out there that knows nothing about nature, that if these cities shut down, that would be a terrifying experience. The Mercedes won't start. The Wi-Fi don't come on. You can't run down a Starbucks and all of a sudden you can't go to the market or call Uber Eats to deliver you sushi. Or your favorite pizza.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And even sadly, even amongst the natives, some of that culture is being lost with them more. And so we even go out every year and do a hunt with their kids. We take 15 to 20 Navajo youth hunting every year out there. With the Navajo Game and Fish, they have a lot of mentors. Gloria Tom, she's just stepping down, but she was kind of in charge out there.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
Now you've got to walk. And you have no skill set. Yes, I sometimes. But guess what? I've gotten pretty good at the cities. I know how to work these apps. I can grab me an Uber. I can go talk to somebody. Or I can Google it and say, man, I'm going to walk down here to this steakhouse tonight.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
The world that me and you love the most is hard to navigate for some people. And I think they're starting to realize it.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
It takes forever. And there's a piece. I told somebody a while back, I said, man, I'm going to tell you when you become a hunter and you understand it and you become simple, all the financial situations you might gain, money's nice. I agree that it don't necessarily bring you happiness. It is great to be able to have the money to do those things we talked about, just eating.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
Or maybe it is that 70 Chevelle that's like I've always wanted and you can buy it. But at the end of the day, there's a piece comes to know that I could potentially lose it all. But if I got my wife and my kids, and I got this bow and arrow, I might actually gain a little bit because now I got peace and tranquility.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
I got a certain stillness that is more valuable than anything I could find at the rave or in the middle of the city. And so I've often told people, even if you love the city life, which...
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
um what people might not realize i love the city life it's so fun to visit but that's just it i want to visit i'm ready to get back out like yeah the thought of things i could do in austin there's a million things my mind's going wide open like man i'd love to go to the comedy club well i love man i heard the steakhouse was great i got they got this they got that this place got the best martinis and this cigar bar but once i do all that i'm ready to go back to the campfire here in whipple wheels and coyotes howling like you ain't gonna believe and i'm puffing on me a fuente cigar like you ain't gonna believe this steakhouse
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
Well, that means a lot. And to be able to to see that it means is more to me than anything, because I do. I mean, I don't even know how and why. Sometimes I ask myself and I mean, like I said, I've just been so blessed and it's been amazing. The people I've met and learned so much. I mean, it's just. I don't know how it happened.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
Going back to that thought in my grandmama's living room, like, what are you doing, boy? You know, it's like you got a brand new flaring kit.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
No. Did you have much of that, Joe? Like, obviously growing up where you did and, I mean, you've – I mean, same amazing opportunity. You had so many cool things that's happened. Did you ever have any people like – What is Joe doing? Oh, yeah.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And we would go and work with people like Jeff Cole and that whole Navajo Nation, the families, and we'd take just their kids out. The kids of the Navajo Nation hunting, and sadly enough, they're like a lot of kids in America eating Little Debbies and playing Xbox. It's like, man, you've got 17 million acres in your backyard. Come on, bro. You're supposed to be the damn eagle.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
You know, it made me dig deep because I think of that. And the reason I ask you that is because that experience I had with my family was kind of mind-boggling because I thought they would see it as I did.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And I think there's a difference in perception or the way we perceive things and the true reality possibly because you've got to sometimes bring yourself out and look back in from their point of view. And I learned it as I've become a parent because now I've got kids and they're wanting to do something.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
I've got a boy, Mason, he moved to Charleston, South Carolina, and all of a sudden I've become a grandmama. In my mind, I got it. Hey, when I get back, Christy, we're going to have some cornbread and collard greens and fried chicken. I want to come back and tell you because he listens to every episode. My son McCoy, Meyer, all of them.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
So in my mind, I got them pictured living in a little old house right there around the farm. Well, he bumps and moves to Charleston, South Carolina. I'm like, what are you doing? Are you on crack? Now you tell me. What are you doing? And it hit me. It's like, man, I'm being my grandmama. I'm being Uncle Tommy.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And the reason they was that way, say with your parents, people love us so much that they don't want us to fail. And I think inevitably we can fail people as the people we love the most because we want to keep them safe. I know it's a world where a woman can go out there and cut wood. I don't want my damn wife cutting wood. I'll cut the wood. Let me get the calluses.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
I don't want my wife going to the door. You know, if a villain's at night, I'm not saying she couldn't shoot more better than me. I don't know. But at the end of the day, I love her enough. I don't want her hurt. I don't want my kids to fail. But in reality, why not? Somebody's got to do these small percentiles. Somebody's got to be a Michael Jordan. Yeah. How did Michael Jordan? What was his?
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
Somebody say you can't make a living. You know, I'm sure somebody. And so I think we want to put everybody in a safe spot. And if you think about it, if 80 percent or 90 percent of people can do these things. Well, guess what? Go try the 10, 20%. If you fail, jump back into the 80, 90%, and you can at least say you tried.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
At least say I tried to make somebody laugh on a stage. At least say I tried to sell a Hoyt bow enough to make money, and they'd give me a percentage of something or have my name on a bow. I don't know. You can at least try it. I don't think it makes you arrogant.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
It really does. And I texted several people all the time, especially when I think about it, people along the way who said, hey— Hey, buddy, let me pull you back. Stay away from this stuff, but you're special in this. You go do this and keep doing this. Man, people don't realize what that means. I think about that street person.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
I mean, literally, me in the right mood, especially with this young lady right there, I'd have wanted to hit him. And I don't know mixed martial arts, but I know a goddang haymaker, and he didn't see it coming. And I mean, he was calling this girl all kind of names and you MFers. And all it took was me to say, hey, bro, I'm on your side. And immediately it was just like he just wanted to be heard.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
You've got to fly and dip down. I'm even out here at your room, and me too. I have all kind of Native Americans. My heroes were Native American hunters like Ishii, who taught Pope and Young how to— Bowhunt. Oh, really?
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And that's the one thing, I guess, the last thing I'd want to leave about the hunting community. And I think you felt it just from people you've seen or maybe researched. And like Cameron said, he said, man, you don't find a better student than Joe. He said he knows more about broadheads than the companies themselves. He researches this stuff. He knows the...
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
geometry of bows and brace heights he's so dig deep he said he just he loves it and it made me feel so good to know that you're that deep into it but when you start looking at so many of these things that's out there for us What I find about the hunting community, it is a community of people that welcomes all. It doesn't matter. It really does.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And they want you to learn, and they're so appreciative that you might just take a look into this culture that sometimes can be criticized, that sometimes be judged and think we're barbaric or whatever. We're hillbilly or uneducated or are just ruthless.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And and what you'll find is there is a part of that that with dip dipping into nature, mother nature, you have to kind of become an animal with that and be like the bear, like the predator. You are a killer. You have to come to full draw to feed your family. But it's so welcoming. And I've never seen anybody alienized.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
I've never seen anybody that I've thought that was a solid person within the industry and are just people around my house that wouldn't bring in Fiji and say, come on, let me show you what this is about, boy or young lady. And I'm proud of that. And I'm confident. And I know that there's nobody, even the people. that might talk bad about them, they're going to treat them good.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And I remember one thing that was epic that happened, Joe, and it hit me pretty hard. My daughter, Addie, had asked me, she said, you know, Dad, what would – in a situation if we're at school and there's something bad happening, you know, I was talking about some of the school shootings and I saw we just had one – I'm like, what should I do?
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And I was like, was there any kind of mandate of what you should do? And I said, well, they say, do this, this and this hide under your desk and sit there and wait. And they locked the doors. I said, well, I'm about to go against protocol, Addie. I said, and I knew her school. They had these outside doors that went out and quickly there in Harris County, Georgia, it goes off into the wilderness.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
Is she out of California? I think he come back and he basically taught those guys who were doctors. He introduced them to bowhunting. And then Pope and Young, as we kill an elk, we think, oh, is he big enough to go Pope and Young? Explain to people what Pope and Young is for people who don't know what we're talking about. Pope and Young is...
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
You know, matter of fact, my farm is right across from the high school. And, um, I said, Eddie, I'll tell you what I want you to do. If something goes awry, I said, you know, you've hunted with me a lot and you understand, you know, how to hide and slip around and stuff like that.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
I said, if something happens and you can see that exit door and you can get out and you can hit the woods, I want you to go right then. Don't wait around. I want you to go figure out the situation. Like if a bear is coming in the tent, you get out of the tent and get up the tree or whatever you got to do. And I said, but here's what I want you to do.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
I said, you go and I ain't never told you to judge somebody because I don't believe in judging a book by the cover. I don't. I don't believe in that. But I said, but in this case, in this adverse moment, you go out and you find a beat up old Chevrolet truck. It's got an NRA sticker on it.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
maybe a beat-up minivan with a mom riding around with some, you know, maybe it is that old 70 Chevelle because that guy appreciates good cars. And you jump out and you stop him. It's going to be a complete stranger. But I want you to pick out that person, I said, you know, and find out.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And I said, if you find somebody with a four-wheel drive truck that you know probably resembles your granddaddy or me or Nick Mutt and all these guys, you jump in there. They're going to have a little snack. They definitely going to have a gun in there. And you tell them what happened. They will protect you until they can find me. And when I thought about that, I was dead serious.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
But then I thought that goes beyond my daughter. Anybody, it wouldn't matter if you was Muslim, Christian or goth or whatever. If you did that in the country, somebody is going to stop. Hey, man, what's going on? They're going to quickly evaluate it. And I'm not saying everybody won't. I think most people has that opportunity.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
But if you raise around that culture to where you're ready to help and you're ready to assist, love is so deep. And the nature and the human nature is to protect and to make sure this person is doing good, even if they don't align. and thought process.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And so I'm proud to come from that, and that's probably my biggest joy, whether it's taking a Jim Brewer or a Theo, is when they see it, that's always, even if they don't get something, they're like, man, this was cool. This was fun. This was good folks. A little scared of y'all. A little scared of y'all. And Theo and all of them said, man, something happens. I'm coming to your house, Waddell.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And Kayla Preston was at this little function. He said, Waddell, my wife, his fiancee, I don't think he's married yet. He said, my wife said, hey, if something happens, we're going to Michael Waddell's house. He said, you don't even know where he lives. She said, well, I'm still going there. And so anyway, that's just cool. I'm proud of that. And that ain't anything to do with me.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
That's just a culture. It's such an amazing opportunity to share that.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
Oh, yeah. Obviously, bonecollector.com. We're on Instagram.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
at official bone collector i think it is and then uh there's a michael waddell page there's there's a bone collector page and heck i'm on tiktok so yeah all right i'm dancing around over there too so i'm on everything it's china spying on me too but anyway sure thank you joe i've been a fan a long time appreciate it was a lot of fun thank you very much all right bye everybody
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
So basically Pope and Young were two guys that basically just kind of revolutionized archery as we know it a lot of times. I mean, obviously, throwing around names, you've got to talk about Fredbear and stuff like that. But prior to that, there was an Indian named Ishi out of a California tribe. And I'm not good enough at remembering exactly what tribe that was.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
But there's a lot of cool information that you can read. Obviously, if you ever get your hands on Saxton Pope and Arthur Young, any books, it's fascinating. Like my favorite book of all time is called The Adventurous Bowman.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
a friend of mine jeff johnson who's a writer gave it to me and i read it all the time and even my kid i read him that book at night you know and this talks about their first venture into africa and when they went there when they hunted grizzly when they hunted elk the first time and so these guys were kind of based on what i can assume seemed to be pretty much city slickers who had basically um a patient called ishi who taught them how to hunt and and pictures of him you can still see him he looks like he's dressed at a ted nugent concert in 1969 you know
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
Jumping off the amps. And so, yeah. And so now that's become similar to Boone and Crockett. Pope and Young is an organization that's formed around, you know, celebrating certain animals that are trophy aspect. And if you get a, you know, say a whitetail deer that nets 125 inches on the Pope and Young scale, you can enter them into the competition. Pope and Young record books.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And every category of species, like elk, bear, caribou, moose, so on and so forth, has that. And so it's just kind of to celebrate a lot of the heritage of archery. And so Pope and Young, a lot of people don't know it, but that basically is the basis of what it comes from. But it starts back to, guess what? A Native American, these arrowheads, They passed it on.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And so now we're kind of carrying on that same tradition. And so as a student of the game, it's like it's so cool to talk about. There they are. Oh, look at that. Yeah. Wow. Look at that. That's cool. Is there any. Can you find Jamie? Is that Ishii?
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
Yeah. I mean, and there's so many amazing stories. What year was this? Man, I don't even know. It had to have been in the, I don't know, was it 20s? Or maybe 1900. I know it was early.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
that'd be something to get graham hancock on we need to get him back to find that that creature he's he's busy he's busy with a lot of other shit it's like just trying to sort out the past trying to sort out human history that was some of the most intriguing i i was dug deep into that and then went because of hearing him on the podcast and went and watched just finished season two watch season one soon after i'd seen him here first it's pretty compelling
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And there's another thing. And it's crazy to think about this. Another thing I read and heard told, because obviously, you know, you travel around and it's always trying to figure out, you know, what's fact or fiction. But I'd listen to Casey Means on this podcast. We're talking about our food, supposedly Ishii who come in, who is actually living very primitive lives.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
But come in, and once he started hanging around and got westernized, quickly got fat. Because I don't know if Little Debbie's was around then.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
It's the only thing I hated about the whole Casey Meade. That whole podcast, I was like, man, I used to love a good oatmeal pie. Now I'm sitting here like, I don't know that glass of milk. Should I even partake? But I think he gained a lot of weight and started getting a lot sicker.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
Just around a lot of people, and all of a sudden he was trying to fight – Probably viruses and diseases and getting an abundance of a certain food he wasn't used to. And supposedly, I think he got a little heavier and less healthy just being around.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
you go back in time every time even though we pick up you know these new hawaii bows you're like oh my god look at the technology it's a lot more accurate it is it's so much more accurate and so uh yeah it's amazing and you're just exactly right it is spiritual and to think back of where it was to where it is but then you think about the rifles and the technology we have there but keep in mind i'm sure uh you know in those people who are really hunting for substance
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
Absolutely. If we leave tomorrow and we can't go and get us a nice steak dinner or we can't go to the grocery store and buy us some chicken or ribeye or whatever it is we decide to eat, well, absolutely. If we're like, hey, Joe, your wife and my wife is wanting us to kill a few squirrels and we're going to have squirrels and gravy and my wife makes some good biscuits, it's like...
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
Why don't, you know, let's leave the Hoyts at home. Let's take a 22 and a 410. Let's just go get us a mess of squirrel.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And so I think probably they looked at it that way. And once that came about and then it slowly becomes somewhat of a, I hate to even say it as a sport because I don't look at it as a sport.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
It's a discipline, but I think to know that we're still going back and celebrating that and still talking about issue and Pope and Young and the Fred Bears and what they set forth and even people like Chuck Adams, who was always one of my heroes. You know, Cam and I were talking a lot about that in Texas.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
golly chuck adams was hunting these elk and always had that little green beanie shot those double x78 aras and man you what nobody is like you know all the kids and even me you know i was this little chubby white kid that thought if i bought air jordans i could jump higher and michael lied to me man You're a liar, Jordan. I can't jump any faster. I can't run any faster.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
But, you know, Chuck, when I saw those arrows and I'd see that bow, I like, man, I got to have that. I want to be like Chuck. You know, I want to be like Fred Bear. And so it's just amazing to see and to see that we still are celebrating it.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
Yeah, it really is amazing. It's like every time... If I go rifle hunting, I love it. I mean, I absolutely love it. Still love the whole culture of it. I grew up in Georgia where... I mean, people were on these leases, you know, it'd be a Meade Meade property, which was Timberland or Georgia power lease. There'd be 10 of us on 500 acres or sometimes more than that.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And so, you know, everybody took a 30 off six Remington semi-automatic, you know, scope on it with over and under sites. And we'd meet up at Uncle Morgan's barn, me and my dad and. Scott Steiner, my Uncle Tommy, and Uncle Jeff. Where are you going? Hell, I think I'm going to go to the boat seat. I'm going to Holler 1. Nobody talked about when or nothing.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
It was just a bunch of old guys high-fiving. We would walk back there and hunt with a rifle. As soon as you heard a rifle shot, you're like, that was Uncle Tommy. I bet you he's got a big one. It was just so amazing, that part of it. I still go back and do that.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
from a culture standpoint, to feel just that feeling and vibe of being standing there in a pair of Kmart boots with some old Walls coveralls draped over with them old white long handles, you know, that we thought we could go to the Antarctica in. In reality, it was just some cotton. As soon as it got wet, she froze to death.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And just the thought of that, of being literally in my time, 11, 12 years old, just being one of the men with a .30-06 on my shoulder, climbing up in a pine tree in a tree stand built out of leftover lumber from my dad's construction job. That was the most unsafe thing in the world. Yeah.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And I remember we got our first bow. My dad and I, my dad had an old Browning bow and he had a couple old recurse when I was young and he pecked around with them. And then I remember I was 13 and I was working him on a job site. And, um,
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
that's what my summer job my dad was a carpenter and so i'd go work and man he worked cornbread hell out of me too you know just to show me how to be accountable and just what it was like to work and he paid me two dollars an hour so he said you need to pick out something as a goal figure out what you need to save your money for you don't even blow it on something stupid and i said well i don't i don't know and um and at the time some of my buddies we were saving up wanting skateboards well at the time we lived on a dirt road so i'm like what am i gonna do with a skateboard you know i'm
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
i'm sure i was like i can't i gotta go into the city to use a skateboard so my buddy jackson bishop we called him boo he lives in the city and we hunted together he said i'm behind me he said he was working with my dad and i too and he ended up saving his money and bought him a really cool skateboard i remember he built it and went he had posters of it well i ended up deciding that i need to get me a bow and arrow so i went and bought me a martin pro eliminator
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
Bo from Big Book Trading Post paid $200 for that sucker. Was that a compound bow? It was a compound bow.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
It would have had to been, I would say, in the 70s. I mean, the first I remember was talking about Fred Bear, the old whitetail hunter. And then you had the whitetail hunter, too, and stuff like that. And then I know Browning came on pretty soon in that. And then obviously you had Hoyt that was in there. Did they even have sights back then? We had like a pen sight.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
It was like a bracket, and it had this kind of rudimentary sight that you could scroll in and out.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
Can you imagine taking that to Utah to chase an elk in the mountains?
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
I mean, hearing his perspective on it and how he researched it, and it's from the standpoint there's, you know, as we know, politics and everything gets involved in everything. And it's just almost like he was a journalistic, really smart, intellectual guy who was intrigued. It's just a good approach, the way he studied it, to me, that made it even more compelling.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
He could just tote that around, probably be as heavy as a whitetail. How heavy is that thing? Look at all the metal. There's no telling. All the components.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
Holy cow. I've never seen this, Jamie. Thanks for pulling this up. This is so cool.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And then the findings he did find, I don't know, I was very intrigued by it.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And, man, I tell you what, man, intriguing. Like those guys right there, there are books that they wrote.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
If you wrote those same books now, like if you and I went on a hunt and we said, hey, you know, let's just write an article and present it to Outdoor Life and publish it just as we saw it, which is so cool about what we do here is having a chance conversation and kind of air out anything and everything. And obviously culture has changed the world. I mean, these podcasts.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
But back then, you know, you had articles. Well, they'd write these books and it would be so like I would read it sometimes the same page two or three times. It'd be like, you know, Saxon Pope talking about Arthur Young. Yes, I found out. I think it's too far. Seventy yards is too far to shoot at a Cape Buffalo. I put three arrows in him. He didn't seem hurt. I got two in the rump, one in the neck.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And you're like. They didn't edit this out. It's almost like me and you hunting squirrel. Like, man, I'll tell you what, I don't like them pellets. It's just not, those pellets in that air rifle are not, they're just not knocking the squirrels down good enough. Like, oh, you wasn't supposed to put that. Can you edit that out? They were just like, okay, let's put this in a book and let's sell it.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
But you imagine how – you get crucified sometimes for the people who don't understand hunting, even ethically hunting and making a good ethical shot, whether it's a bow or an arrow or a rifle. And back then they were like, all right, let's go try to hunt some African lions. I don't know what it's going to take to kill them, but we'll see. They were just experimenting. Experimenting.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And they took a boat over. Think about – I mean – I mean, I want to go to I've been to Africa quite a few times. How long does it take to get to Africa in a boat? It was taking a month to get over there. And they would they would take a whole ship. And I think they I forget. I don't want to say it because it could be inaccurate historically.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
But I want to say they was taking 40, 50 bows, these recurves and like. Just tubs and tubs of arrows. I mean, just. Because they were just launching them. It's like they had more freaking arrows than P. Diddy had baby oil.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And I think it documents it. It talks about like, look, if our bows tear up or in this experimental process, we might need a little stronger bow. So, you know, I mean, sometimes very rarely I even do this. I'll go to pretty desolate places. I'll take one bow. Very rarely I take two bows. I used to think it'd be beneficial. But then I started realizing, man, these things are so dependable.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
See, I don't know. I mean, but I think he's got canines like us, so there's a good chance that he does eat meat.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
I don't need it. Maybe I take a bow press or an extra cable or an extra string or setup. But I mean, they just had to take everything. And they really didn't know.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
Can you imagine? I can't imagine now that, you know, Joe and I plan a hunt trip here, and you go home and say, hey, man, just me and Waddell was talking, and me, him, and Cam were thinking about running to hunt hogs. Well, how long are you going to be gone? You know, it's Christmastime. It's like, well, two days. You know, we're just going to drive down or fly over here, do that. Can you imagine?
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
Hey, baby, I think I'm going to Africa and we're going to try to hunt some lion. We don't know what's going to happen.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And even the civil unrest. Imagine this. Oh, yeah. I hear people talk about hunting and the dangers of hunting. potential rogue wildlife, but I've never been that, you know, grew up real country. So I never had any fear of any animals. You know, matter of fact, if I was bear hunting and I thought, you know, somebody said, Hey man, bears love pork chops. Walk through Alaska with a pork chop.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
Randy Nick might get a better chance. Get a shot of like, well, Well, hell, you reckon they'll come? Let's try it. I want a shot at one. But think of the civil unrest. I've always been a – I went to Zimbabwe one time, me and Nick Munt and several of my buddies. We went over there to Zimbabwe, and it just happened to be when Mugabe was rerunning. And so he had a political opponent.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And so just when we think – people listen to this, that, you know, politics in America are crazy. Well, guess what? Somebody was running against Mugabe. So did they debate it on a podcast or even talk about it on CNN? No, Mugabe just went and killed the guy he was running against. Like, okay, I win, you know, so end of story. And so the internet was shut down.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And so I remember being over there and like, man, I'm kind of scared, not of an elephant or a lion. I'm like, what is this? I don't have a phone. I don't have internet. I have no way to talk to my family. I don't have any, um, they, and my money got stolen.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
I was the idiot who went over there, like with my backpack with cash and like, you know, a bank envelope, everything that you read, like, okay, I'm, I'm an idiot. So I go to, I go to, um, take some money to, to, uh, we were talking about going fishing on the Zambezi river. And, uh, So anyway, I was like, I'm going to get a little money. I'm going to tip this guy if I go fishing.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
Like, dude, where's my money? And it was all gone. So I don't know if it was between where I landed in South Africa somewhere in my room. I don't know where, but all of my money. And I think I had about $7,000 cash, which for me, that was a lot of money. Like, I mean, I was...
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
devastated not only I lose the money it's like I didn't have money to lose like that but now I'm like what am I going to do and so they take me over to Botswana and I get some poulas from an ATM because it's a little more westernized but I remember calling calling home it's like man we ain't in Kansas no more this ain't a whitetail hunt and in my mind I'm so singled in
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
on the adventure and thinking of saxton uh you know pope and young and all these guys and i forget like wait a minute there's people dying and starving over here and and i'm just over here trying to maybe find a cape buffalo or a gimsbuck or something and that's where i learned a lot in my young travel of of just what's out there in the world watch uh pedro uh and puros videos no no
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
I'm definitely gonna subscribe to that and I don't even see the Buffalo.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
Them Yurks, I always wonder if that's what Missy Elliott was rapping about. You know, Yurk paramedician right on here? I don't think so. I don't think she has any knowledge of Yurks.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
I did not even know that there were elk in Mongolia.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
Nor would I have even known you could hunt there. And I think that's what people don't realize living in America. Yeah. We can hunt. I mean, go do that in China. Get hungry in China and decide you want to go get you a mess of rabbit and squirrel. Well, there might not be none, and you can't legally hunt. You can't legally hunt in China? Not in China.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
There's several states. You can't even bow hunt in the U.K., I know. Isn't that crazy? I mean, I don't know if that goes back to Robin Longstride. I think some of it does, a lot of the folklore, because that was a poaching tool. You hunted the king's property. You could poach with a bow and arrow.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
Like, yeah, I'll take this bow and arrow. Let's go eat. There's stag out here, man.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And so I... Yeah, I'm always, the more I travel, like seeing this that Pedro's done, I hadn't done that extensive of traveling. And I've never, if it ends with a stand, I just stay out of it.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
Some of it, you can see, like, okay, we still have some of those animals that look that way, and then some kind of looks kind of mystical.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
I'm so intrigued by that. I think I'm more intrigued with it hunting and traveling and being in these places. Like, we went down... I love to turkey hunt. I love to turkey hunt. Matter of fact, I'm going to do everything in my power, and anybody that listens to this ever, even ever knew my name, knows everybody's like, dude, you've got to get Cam and Rogan to go turkey hunting.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
Rinella, dude. It was fun. Yeah, he's fun. I love turkey hunting. I just love it, and that's how I kind of broke into the industry, I guess. It's definitely a superior turkey to eat. Whew, they are. They're delicious. They are delicious to eat. But anyway, with that said, we were down right out of the Yucatan Peninsula hunting oscillated turkeys, which is a different species.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
You can hunt all these turkeys and get different slams.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
Yeah, Ronell has done it. And so I went down there with actually Troy Link of Jack Link's Jerky, and he's a big hunter. So we all went down there kind of for the adventure and to say, yeah, we hunted the jungles. And, dude, amazing. You know, you got all that Mayan civilization and all this stuff that I saw, even Graham Hancock.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
But what people don't realize, we're out in the middle of this jungle, and I'm walking around. And the guy I'm with, he don't know English. And I'm like –
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And Cohen Stone, our producer, he's standing there and it's like, dude, this is a this is one of those pyramids like we're walking up and I'm trying to figure out if I can hand call because nobody had ever figured out if you can hand call to these oscillated turkeys. I get to looking around. And so finally I'm tapping this guide on the shoulder and I'm like. Bro, you know, Mayan?
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
He said, oh, see, see. And I'm like, there's so many of those structures out there.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And we're out there hunting turkeys. They don't think nothing about it. It's kind of like us walking around out in the middle of the woods in Georgia and find an old whale. You know, we're in truth.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And where did Graham ever, in his conclusion in some of that about the covenant, did he ever think that it's still there?
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
They're like, oh, yeah, they're everywhere. So I only knew about the ones that was on the postcards, you know, that you go and eat. Yeah. When you're out there having a Corona on the beach and somebody kind of sell your engraving to your wife and some, you know, ring or something. I'm like, oh, my God, dude. And like I wanted so bad for a turkey to respond and to put my back against that.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And so I did a little video and I was like, man, this is insane. But when would I had a chance to see that had I not been a hunter? So that gets you down the rabbit hole of like, well, what was this? And what is that calendar? And I wonder what Graham Hancock is. So when I'm seeing some of this, I'm like, dude, I was in that area.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
I didn't go to see that particular piece where he's talking to this authority. But I did go, you know, 30 miles south of there or 100 miles. And I had a chance to work a turkey around one that's not even been excavated.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
I heard, yes. I saw, well, I didn't know about it until I watched that on the Netflix show with Graham. It's crazy. Showing how they're flying over in those rings.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
So some people thought it might have burned up in Jerusalem, I think it was.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
We were right there and kind of right on the southern tip of Mexico just as you go into Guatemala. And I was just intrigued. And we're in the jungle and stay in these little huts, these little tents, like almost a screen porch. I was just – I was blown away. And the whole time I was like, thank you, Lord, for allowing me to be the hunter to go see this, to experience this. Right. I don't know.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
It's just I'm overwhelmed. I've never got bored with it. And the more I do it, the more humbling it becomes. As soon as you start thinking like, man – I got a bunch of elk with my bow and arrow. I got this figured out. I'm about to run a rake through them. I know where they're going to be. And then you go out there and they just kick your butt.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
See, that's amazing. And I caught the same vibe when I was down there, because we weren't too far out of Campeche when we was turkey hunting. And so as we're going through there, and there's thousands and thousands and thousands of acres. I'm not even sure I set up. I don't know if it's, you know, governmentally owned, in this case, Mexico land. Or if it's village.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
But when I saw that, even though we videoed it, I asked later, I come back and the main outfitter, he's very fluid in English. He said, yeah, we don't, you know, there's all kinds of stuff out there. We don't talk about it a lot because this is our hunting ground. It's almost like the Buffalo Drop.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
They really don't want Grand Hancock down there with a team of filmmakers from California. Like, they don't want it.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
Absolutely. And they kind of... But I think that's what's fascinating about all that we're able to talk about and share now culturally.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
As we realize, if you grow up hunting and fishing, well, I really assume everybody did. Right. I didn't think there was somebody that hadn't eaten squirrel.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
That's what I'm saying. And I grew up to where like laying and eating with my papa like one day. Damn it, I'm going to buy me some ribeyes. You know, it's like you eat enough squirrel and rabbit and it's great. But it's almost like, man, I won't get that big family pack of chicken.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And we ate plenty of that. But it was always a fallback to where you understood the good Lord's renewable resources and how to hunt them. So taking an animal for table fare wasn't anything at all to even cheer about other than. you know, almost in the blessing of blessing your food. Like, thank you, Lord, for giving us this opportunity to have a place to hunt.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
So it would be a chance to go put a fish basket out. I remember my papa taught me so many things. He made corn liquor and just country as a damn chicken. Oh, wow. Wow. And I look back, he passed away when I was 12. Both of my granddads did. And my dad, Edwin Waddell, same way. I mean, they taught me so much. But I just assumed this is what every man was. And I figured this is what everybody knew.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
Yeah. And I remember I started working in the hunting industry when I was young. I remember, I tell this story, I just remember, like, going to a nice restaurant and people ordering appetizers. I'm like, what are we doing? What are we doing?
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
Yeah, it's like, bring us some ceviche and... Some calamari. And you guys like cheese sticks? Look, I know they're unhealthy. Anybody like cheese sticks? Like, I like cheese sticks. And like, you know, like, and then all of a sudden we sit in there chatting like we are and everybody's having a cocktail. And I'm like, man, I'm so happy. This is the funnest. I'm loving this.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And I'm literally going back and at the end of the night calling my dad like, you ain't gonna believe it. Everybody's eating before you eat. Yeah. We're getting shrimp cocktail. And, you know, and I'm over there. And it sounds crazy and almost like it's exaggerated. But I was so overwhelmed. I was so intrigued with the city and just people.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
I would be the guy talking to everybody, you know, from the. From the street people, they're like, what's up, dog? You know, they're like, man, what's it like out here? You know, like, man, you ever ate a pigeon? Man, there's a lot of these pigeons. Go get you a couple ketchup packets from McDonald's and get you a rock. Hell, people eat pigeons. And so I was...
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
It was almost like the exact opposite from some of now my city friends who have gotten just enthralled with hunting.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
They introduced me to so much of the city culture that, you know, I still get excited. Everybody don't think I would, but I still love to get excited to go. I had a chance. Joe Montagna is somebody who's got a show on Outdoor Channel. So he has this big cigar dinner every night and I mean, every year in Burbank.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2248 - Michael Waddell
And saw the Fuentes, you know, and all these different, you know, movie stars and stuff. And so he's like, man, why don't you get a table? Come out and join us. I'm like, yes. I took my wife. We're all country. I was so excited to just get dressed up and everybody think I wouldn't like it. But I was like, man, this is cool. I'm out there having me a cigar. There's the guy from Rambo.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And I'm like meeting some of these people and I'm thinking it's amazing how culturally being so country. And how now I'm talking to some of these guys like, man, dude, you're the hunting guy. Can you, man, why don't you take me hunting? I'm intrigued with that. And so now having a chance, I know you've had like Jim Brewer on, which what a cool cat. I love Jim. He is so fun.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2248 - Michael Waddell
I couldn't hardly hunt with him or Theo. for just constantly laughing. I mean, I like to cut up and have a good time.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And that whole covenant was pretty cool based on how God had said, look, this is how big it's got to be. It was built out of a certain wood, inside and out, gold, the handles, everything was there to hold the commandments. But then I saw something to where, I don't know if Jamie... Jamie and Mike can probably pull it up, but where some people speculate it could be under the Catholic Church.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
No, and especially some of your guests you've had on. I mean, even myself, and now you spend a lot of time in some pretty desolate places.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
It's such a piece that comes with it. And I try to explain that, but there's no way to explain it until you experience it.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
You know, I was even trying to explain it to Theo. I don't know if I got that across. We laughed. Yeah.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
Man, he's one of the most – I've met quite a few people, not as many as you, but Theo by far is one of the coolest, unique people I've met. And I remember we get out, and we're going to Turkey Hut. And I knew – first of all, I think I ruined his whole excitement of it when I said, all right, man, I'll wake you all up. We got about 435. He said, what'd you say, Waddell? I said –
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
Oh, man, I didn't sign up for this. You know, I didn't say this in a brochure. And I was like – and so Caleb Presley, who – Barstool Sports, he was there. And I was a big fan of those guys. So I was trying to make sure I gave them the best experience I could, you know, because I – you know, just like Ronella did with you, I knew the magnitude of, okay, these guys, I hope they want to do it again.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
and uh theo had not been around a gun a lot and uh and so i figured it'd be easy i had a 20 gauge well i can't remember it was a 20 or 12 gauge i had a couple but i put red dot those bushnell red dot scopes on there to make it really easy uh not have them shoot the bead just look through this optic and see the red dot put it on the turkey's head pull the trigger so theo's looking through that thing so you let me shoot now i said no theo i mean just it's not even daylight good he's got sunglasses on
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And he says, he's looking through this joke. He's looking through this shotgun. He said, oh, man. He said, I see that red dot. He said, when I pull the trigger, it turned green.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
No, I haven't. But I heard you talk about you went and had the guide and said it was amazing.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
He's so fun. I had so much fun with that guy, man. And he said so much that I couldn't repeat. That was so funny. And then he said so much that I could. But I hadn't met anything quite like him.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And that's the thing, too. Caleb, on the other hand, he ended up did getting the turkey, Caleb. And he kind of took to it pretty quick. Theo liked it, but I think his attention, if it is attention deficit, he definitely had it. He's got that. And he was kind of cool. And anyway, and I realized Theo had more fun just kind of walking around, checking out the cows.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
I mean, dude, that would be a whole – you could do a special of Theo just walking around. maybe after a mushroom or something, just let him walk around and just describe what he's seeing. I mean, our producer come back, and I saw him way away. I was tired, man. I've been hunting a lot. He said, man, we're going to go take an adventure, walk around the ranch, you know, farm.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
It was down in South Florida. Come back, our producer was laughing. He said, man, I can't even tell you all I heard and what Theo was saying. He said, I've never laughed so hard. I said, I can only imagine. I can only imagine. But, yeah, man, I don't know. It's just like that part –
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
I think that's the most beautiful thing for me coming from where I come from and even, you know, seeing all the different people from all these cultures. And there's so much. And I've completely understood this, too.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And it's almost exactly the replica of what it's assumed to have been looked like.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
So little that separate us all from the most rural country guy to the most urban city guy, no matter what race, ethnicity. It's amazing how there's so much entertainment and things. If you just open your mind, not pretend to know it all, to want to learn, because there's so much you can teach me, so much I can teach you. And it's just amazing.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And it's definitely given me a whole lot better perspective.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
perspective um and and i don't know that that's been probably the coolest part of what i've had a chance to go on an adventure and a journey is to be able to you know meet somebody like brewer who's like you know he didn't really was not intrigued with hunting it was more the conspiracy of what was going down and like dude i went to go get some chicken breast and some chicken wings to watch football you couldn't find any the government fauci is making me learn what he'll teach me how to kill a turkey
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
jim kills one and so you know you've hunted enough you and cam where you know you get an elk and it is a reverence it's not like you everybody reacts different so but if you know if you played a good era kind of the ted nugent the spirit of the era the spirit of the wild and that era goes in there and you you've worked for it you practice and when it you know it's a good ethical shot and you know that you got and essentially put the tag on that bull it is almost like spike some people it's almost like spiking the football when you get a touchdown yeah
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
So I was so excited that Jim Brewer had just got a turkey that me and – and I had Ira Dean, who used to be in that country group, Trick Pony, who is just a trip in itself. He's good friends with Jim, and they live somewhere close down there in Naples, Florida. And me and Ira are just grabbing him. Looked like you wrestling jujitsu. I got him in the head like, you got him, Jim.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And we're like punching him like, you smoked him. You're not – dude, right in the head. We high-fiving, and Jim's just over there like – Overwhelmed. Like the woman in the shower on Psycho. Like, what did I just do? I just killed something. And all of a sudden, I forgot. This is a guy in the movies. This is a comedian that I grew up as a kid watching on Saturday Night Live. He's never been there.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
Right. And so, and then we slowed down. And it wasn't even hardly any time after that. You know, Jim's just sitting there. And he takes the turkey and he's holding it like a little puppy dog. And he's holding it. And Ira, my buddy, gets it. He grabs his beak and says, hello, Jim. And he's like. And I think even Jim talks about it. But I just sat back and I'm like, man, how cool is this?
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
You know, and then the same token, you know, Jim's like, hey, man, if you ever down here and want to come to one of my comedy shows and, you know, for my wife and friend to go do that or to see something I've never seen. Yeah. Or to go home and still tell my dad who's 71, like, you're not going to believe this. You know, what I saw in Austin.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
You're not going to believe what happened in, you know, wherever. Las Vegas, we were at the SHOT Show. It's, I don't know. It's pretty amazing.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
Yeah. It is so intriguing. And to think about— Totally different world. It is a completely different world. And for me, it was so cool. I've, over the years, working for different—I call it more non-endemic. Like, obviously, when you think of Hoyt, you think of— uh, real tree, you think of these different companies that are around the hunting culture.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
But I remember one year I had a chance to work with Hormel Denny's Denny more stew. Hormel had Denny more beef stew. And so they did the sweepstakes and, um, it's like when a turkey hunt with Michael Waddell. And so we did it and they run 30 second ads. That was when, uh, you know, everything was a bunch of 30 second ads. And so, uh, The guy wins it, him and his son.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And, well, they get there, and I realize they'd never hunted. And it was my first time to experience guiding somebody that knew nothing. I mean, I'd guided a lot of rookies, but I'm talking about when I say had no clue of nature. Never shot a gun. Never shot a gun. I mean, immediately, you know, had the big Rambo knife tied on his side. You know, it's like... Okay.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And so I remember we walking and I realized that, okay, this would be fun for me because from the basics of everything, just the mountain, the streams to the tracks. So we walking along and me and his son and him are talking and I say, look here, this is a coyote track right here. Look at this. Cool. And you could see it in the Sendero, a perfect coyote track. Oh man, that's cool.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
I'd like, you know, and everything he would relate to would be to a cartoon like, like The coyote on Bugs Bunny Roadrunner show? I said, yeah, like Bugs Bunny Roadrunner coyote, but this is a real coyote. And I said, oh, this is cool. Check this out. This is a bobcat track. Oh, man. I say, look, here's a turkey track, but this is a hen track. This track is different.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
I'm explaining to him the different things. I mean, we saw everything that day from hog, javelina tracks. So finally we're walking. He's just so cool with these tracks, like taking pictures. He said, hey, man, any Cheetos around here? And I said, what? And he said, you know, Cheetos. I said, are you talking about like Cheetos, like... Snacks? Snacks? He said, oh, yeah.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
I mean, any of those animals? What? What? I swear. Animals? That just shows the disconnect. Cheetos, Chester the Cheetah, which I guess is from a true animal, a cheetah. But Chester Cheeto, he was... Like, is any of those tracks, if you see one of those tracks, show me what a Chester Cheeto track looks like. I'm like, you know, we don't have Cheetos, but there is no Chester the Cheeto.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And all the trail cameras. We should have gotten one picture.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
But then it hit me, it's like you were talking about the movies. Well, Bambi is so real to them. The fox and the hound. I mean, it's so real. It's like, you know, somehow, you know, they think that you go to Antarctica or North Pole and these polar bears are sitting having a soda and high-fiving and talking about Christmas.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
Yeah, eating Klondike bars. Like, what's up, Waddell? Come over here, man. Have a Coke with us. You know, it's like, no, that's not. These animals will smell you and they come hunt you. It's like, wait a minute, a seal that we got to wait days for him to come out of the hole? Yeah. hunt them down or look there's a dude that's been eating a lot of fried chicken and collard greens and cornbread
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
I bet that sucker. I bet he can't run fast. Let's go eat him. And so it's just a disconnect of not knowing and thinking that everything is almost like going to the zoo. And then when it becomes hard, you know, and you're two or three days in and you're not had opportunities like, dude, what is going on? Like it's we're hunting. I mean, I've even had him like, dude, I thought you were good.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
I mean, well, I'm trying. I'm trying. It's just this animal instinct. It does not want to get on your plate.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
oh you get some coffee in you with a jet boil and you're freezing you're trying to warm your hands up and then you're off again yep but it still almost feels like i always talk about hunting and open today it's kind of like christmas it's like uh you know when you finally do get to that september and i just use elk hunting as an example because i know you love elk hunting it's almost like you are tired you've been grinding you've had
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
doing your daily gigs of whatever you're doing, the responsibilities of everything in your life. Finally, I'm in elk camp, and you're already tired in that first morning. You maybe don't sleep good because you're anxious and excited, and then all of a sudden, you finally fall into deep sleep, and all of a sudden, you're like...
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
But then all of a sudden, it's kind of like as a kid when you're waiting on Santa Claus. It's like, man, I'm not sleeping. I'm listening for him. I left milk cookie for him. But then you fell asleep deep and all of a sudden you wake up like, oh, look, Santa Claus. So you jump up and you're still tired. And so hunting to me is still that.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
In some of those meetings still, do you still have maybe executives looking at you like... Oh, yeah, they ask weird questions. I don't understand that. So September 12th through the 23rd is... I'm like, you're not going to find me. Yeah. And to them, they don't understand outside of people playing football, you still see the Christmas games and the Christmas Eve or Thanksgiving. But for me...
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
like Thanksgiving and Christmas, very rarely, you know, all of us kind of like, I'm taking that day. You know, I'm taking that day. And that's kind of like, unfortunately, now we get in these hobbies of hunting. Like, okay, I can't do anything the first week in April. That's turkey season. And then September, oh, man.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
Yeah. And November, oh, man, the deer are rutting. I don't know that... Y'all got anything in July?
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
There's nothing like it. Funny story. It happened similar. And you know, people wonder like, do you ever get tired of it? Um, You really don't. I mean, I'm sure like you, you know, obviously say in the comedian world to kind of draw parallels, that opportunity to go out for 30 minutes or an hour to make someone laugh and they're digging on the stuff that you're performing.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
There's got to be a natural high that comes with it. So there becomes an addictive quality to it. and it's not necessarily about the money. It's just a certain situation that feels good. So you wonder like, when do I want to step down for this? And it's kind of like, you know, Keith Richards playing a guitar, maybe never. It's like, this is part of it. And I think hunting becomes like that.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And to the point with me, like the things I love and I've been blessed that inevitably my financial opportunities have came from promoting hunting and working for different partners as his cams. Um, and many of us, Remy, Steve, a lot of us, but, uh, I'm still so addicted to the point to where my wife, she loves country music, my wife, Christy.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And so through people we meet, we've got invited to some really cool things, you know, from get togethers to parties, to situations, awards, to ceremonies, to different clubs. And so a lot of times we'll try to go. And it's actually a cool thing for me because, hey, man, I met this person. Would you like to do this or that? And one thing in particular happened recently.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
um my wife loves country music and there's a lot of those country music guys that i hunt with so i had gotten a text from a guy they was having the some award ceremony um around the country music i forget which one it was but when they had it at the dallas stadium and uh anyway i had got invited he said hey if you want to come out waddle look man we'd like to have you have you have to you know man we'll we'll treat you like one of the singers you know and um
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
So immediately I said, oh, dude, what's the dates? And they said it's April. I forget what it was. Whatever it was, it hit right in turkey season. Like right when I knew. I hadn't even had anything planned. This was time, but I knew, kind of like you know September. So I said, man, I'm sorry. Thank you so much for the invite, but I'm not going to be able to make it. Well,
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
My wife and I don't have a relationship where we go in through each other's phones and stuff like that. But that particular my phone was sitting is maybe a week later sitting there. And that same gentleman had texted me on another matter. And so he had just texted me. So I said, Christy, get my phone. So she did. And somehow that she just happened to look at that text.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And all of a sudden I couldn't figure out. She was just kind of give me the cold shoulder like the rest of the day. I'm like. What did I do? And I couldn't figure out what I did, you know. So finally, I was like, look, baby, you know, I figured out a lot of things about elk and turkey. I ain't figured out a woman completely. And so I know I done pissed you off some kind of way.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
I don't know what I did, but, you know, help me understand. She said, you know what? I do have a bone to pick with you. And I was like, okay, well, let me have it. You know, let me have it. And I'm already thinking, I ain't did shit. You know, I don't think. She said, you know what? I know you like to hunt turkeys.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
okay all right and i'm like yeah i love to hunt turkey she said but you know what we could take one night and go to a really cool award ceremony maybe we could hang out with blake and have a drink and just chill and relax and luke was gonna be and i and i and i was like what are you talking about and then she said well i saw the text and we were invited to go to the awards and and you quickly just said no didn't even talk and i'm like i'm like
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And then I hit me like, what a selfish – I don't know how many turkeys I've seen shot or how many turkeys I've shot myself, but here it is. I'm 50 years old, and I'm saying no just like that without hesitation. Right. No, I mean, that would be fun. In my mind, I'm thinking, dude, if that was June or July and I had your number, I'd be texting everybody, dude, are y'all going?
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
Can we have a drink, hang out? But it's like, nope. It wouldn't matter if Elvis Presley –
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
be the show i was like and then it hit me i'm like man i am a little selfish yeah and it hit me there and i and i did i sincerely said i'm sorry because you're right i could have just got a commercial flight we could flew out there and spent a great evening had a great date night and saw the awards and come back but in my mind i'm thinking why would anybody go to a big city in the middle of turkey season i don't understand that
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And I'm trying to – I'm still learning. I'm still learning.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
I agree. And I'm always, it's still, you know, the conspiracy that I'm still, every time I check, especially when you get in those deep, dark places out west and all throughout the country and even the south, I'm thinking, maybe just this time.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
You want to stand up and tie that bandana like on Rambo First Blood. It's just, I don't know, it's crazy feeling. And I hope more people get a chance to experience it.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
They're gone. And that's what I think people don't realize. You know, they think, oh, you hunters are going out there and, you know, getting these animals. And, you know, obviously the hunters have such a responsibility and the balance of a lot of things. You know, and Mother Nature is, first of all, very brutal and there's a lot to be learned through nature.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
There's a lot of things we think we know. But then if you really dig deep and you're in the mountains, you realize, wait a minute, that was all human nature. This is nature. There's a difference. You know, so many examples that you can get into. But at the end of the day, these deer also have coyotes. Now they reintroduce wolves in some of these places.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And they have done studies that in some cases they feel like an adult male mountain lion can kill up to 100 mule deer. One mountain lion. So you're talking 80 to 100 animals that they kill. So when you think about us, even if we're athletic. Is that a year? That's a year. That's one. And they've done all kind of studies. I know the state of Utah has been really proactive, which is great.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And what I love about Utah Game and Fish is what they're doing. They're listening to a lot of these mountaineering type of guys who are not, you know, have a doctorate in biology or are balancing nature. They're just ranchers. They're outfitters. They're hunters. They're somebody that's immersed themselves. And, you know, they might not can sit there.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
and recite Shakespeare, but they can certainly tell you what they've seen. They don't claim to know it all, but they can tell you things that they are seeing out there.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And a lot of the game of fish sometimes will get, at times, arrogant to say, well, what am I going to learn from a Joe? What am I going to learn from Michael Waddell? What am I going to learn from Remy Warren? Come on, dude. Okay, you hunt a lot, but I got a doctorate in this.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
That goes beyond what biologists will tell you. As a matter of fact, a lot of times, a lot of the studies are now it's been changed and everything, the goalposts are being adjusted. But there was a time, I think it was 28 square mile radius that I know at least in the state of Utah.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
So I'm not saying every game of fish department, you know, I call it our fishing game, our fish and wildlife would say. But they had specifically said a male mountain lion basically controlled 28 miles diameter.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
only to find that in utah i've got some friends and outfitters that went out there when they did have the quota tags now you can just buy a tag over the counter and you can or get depredation you can hunt mountain lion all the time because they realize look these mountain lions are killing a lot of elk a lot of mule deer specifically on top of that you can't can don't know what the winter is going to be and what that's going to kill then you got wolves you got bear you got all this stuff this outfitter took a business card
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And he put it down. He said, well, I know y'all think this, but I want to show y'all what I feel the quota. He said, I shot 10 mountain lions in this business card. He said three of them was here. So your theory that one male mountain lion is in this 28 mile diameter is It's completely busted. This is not on anything I've studied. I didn't go to Harvard.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And we've all watched Harrison Ford try to find it. Exactly. Exactly.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
I didn't go to Auburn University in the wildlife department. I don't have trail cameras out there. I'm just telling you that with red bone hounds, this is a true statistic. Here's the photos. And so what has happened, a lot of those people got together. And what I love about Utah, they are listening and they're saying, okay, this old hillbilly knows something. Let's listen to him.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And so they're adjusting it. And now the deer numbers are going up. The hunting's getting better. And it's unfortunate that really some of these people might be right, that nature does have a great way of balancing itself. Very more, way more brutal than what you and I would approach the management process. But everything's changing. I mean, you know, you talk about California.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
You talk about how they reintroduced the wolf, say, in Colorado. Well, all that was voted in in a very urban area, specifically Aspen. All the ranchers.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
They think you can go out there and sell tourist tickets to watch the mountain lions. You can't find them.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
I heard Rinella because Rinella spends a lot of time in desolate places. And I didn't specifically talk to Cam. But kind of in perspective, I started working. In the area of either guiding or working with an outfitter, working with companies that were doing shows for, at the time, TNN that turned into ESPN, now Outdoor Channel, now YouTube, so on and so forth.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
Well, so as a young kid, you know, in rural Georgia, I finally had a chance to start going and seeing these places from Saskatchewan. to all over canada got to go to africa all over mexico and now i'm hunting all across the western landscape not just in georgia hunting white tails and turkeys and squirrels there i've only saw one mountain lion in the daylight one now I've spent tons.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
I think Ranella said he saw six in his lifetime in the daylight. So what you realize, if you see a mountain lion in the daylight. Now, I've seen a lot of mountain lions, but they all have been in a tree behind a dog or running behind a dog. I'm talking about just you and I glassing, looking for mule deer and like, Joe, mountain lion. You don't see them.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And the same with wolves. I've seen two wolves in my life. One was in the Yukon, one was in Alaska, in the daylight. I've heard them countless times. We've been camping in spike tents, and you hear the wolves. I've heard them all across places where wolves exist, but you don't see them. Another perspective is even coyotes. I have a little over 500 acres I live on in Georgia, and so I noticed that
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
I was finding all kind of fawns, and they did a bunch of studies from University of Georgia, Auburn University, talking about how many deer that coyotes eat, which, can't blame them. Why would you not eat a fawn in the fawning time of year and feed your pups? So I decided, actually, of all people who got me into trapping, it was Blake Shelton. He was trapping in Oklahoma and loves it.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
So I'm like, my God, if this country singer who hosted American or The Voice can trap, I've got to learn about this. So I dug deep and
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
2019 and 20 man i just dug in and just learned a lot more about trapping and so putting out dirt hole traps or leg hole uh dirt dirt hole traps and different things and um so i caught in 2021 i caught like 22 one year 19 another year just on 500 acres wow and if we go hunting tomorrow now think about 20 dogs that are smaller than a german shepherd but a small you know
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
canine dog that lives on your property. Some are passing through to think that in a four week period, I could catch 22 coyotes that at times, you know, hunting a lot, I would see, see them time to time along that also called seven Fox and two Bobcats. And I don't know how many coons and possums. So for people to think that you see this all the time, you don't, I live there.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And when I'm home every day, I'm up and I'm riding and, Checking food plots, putting in food plots. I got bulldozers. I got different things and tractors trying to make the wildlife habitat better to make sure I got better areas for my turkeys to brood, making sure I'm planting resources. And I don't see these things. And this is all I've ever done.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
So the people that live in Aspen are just out of L.A. you know, not trying to throw shade on them. But you don't know, man. I don't know how to hit a half pipe like Tony Hawk either. So I'm still learning. And so for me to say that and to think that you can just spend nearly $4.8 million, $5 million to reintroduce wolves and think you're going to get tourists to come out there and look at them.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
These wolves, if they could talk, they're like, these people don't have a clue. You're never going to see me.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
You see they're removing one of those herds? They're trapping them and removing them because of all the depredation of killing livestock. Yeah. Guess what? If a mountain lion kills 100 deer— One. And then he's OK. God bless the fact that he is nature and he's hunting a deer or an elk. But guess what they do when that starts running low? They're like, man, that dog looks good.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
Ain't that something? And all is well. All these PETA members, they're all fine as long as it's your dog and your cat. But all of a sudden, you let a herd of deer come in and eat their $40,000 worth of landscaping and a mountain lion kill their pet. They're secretly calling me like, hey, bone collector.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
Oh, I can only imagine. And like where I'm from in Georgia, and obviously you and I both love archery, but all the arrowheads I find are quartz. So we have very little flint. And I'm not at all historically sound on understanding everything. I mean, I got friends. Actually, Jeff Foxworthy is one of those guys. He lives right down the road.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
It's sad because what you'll find, too, is some of the best people in society.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
I mean, they're really down to earth. I mean, sit around a campfire with somebody that's grew up very rural. Their excitement of talking about everything typically is pretty awesome.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
They very much appreciate it. And I think that's, even my dad, man, he's 71. And I said, Dad, you ain't going to believe it. Joe Rogan texted me and invited me to come up on the show. And he said, man, I like that Rogan. He said, that dude. It's funny, anytime I talk about my dad, I got to go into that impersonation. Joe, man, he's stout. He's stout. He's stout, man. He work out a lot.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
You know, and I'm thinking, how does my dad know the routine? He knows that I like him. You know, of course, he loved he loved that you had Trump on and that you had had kind of bringing some some light to that and give him an opportunity to talk. And so I find across the board, same conversation I had talking to some squirrel hunters, talking about Cam Haines. You know, it's like Cam Haines.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
is a beast. You know, he runs and he does this stuff. And what brought me and Cam back together to, to even going out and talking on his podcast, you know, we grew up close to the same age, same trajectory. I'm the Southern guy. He's a West guy. He's a fitness guy. You know, I'm kind of a little Debbie eater. Yeah.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
fried chicken collard green but we still figured out a way i always said somebody asked me so what's the difference between you and cameron haynes i said cameron haynes runs quickly to the top of the mountain and i sat down and i call them off the mountain i gotta i'm gonna figure out how to communicate with them you know and i said there's a lot of different ways to there's a lot of different ways to skin the cat as they would say but at the end of the day uh i was talking to some squirrel hunters over in alabama and these guys prototypical what you'd pull up look like billy coleman from where the red fern grows you know uh had had squirrel dogs and
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And one of the guys, he had to be in his 60s, and literally I had some chew in the back. He said, man, you're friends with that Cameron Haynes. And I said, I am. I said, I've known Cameron a long time. He said, man, he seemed like a good dude. And I don't know why he hit me like that.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
He is obsessed with Indian artifacts and has an amazing collection. It goes across the country. You know, it's hard. You can call Jeff right now. You probably can't get him to Austin to come do this.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
This guy, I wouldn't expect to mention Cameron. And so quickly, I contacted Cameron. I said, man, this is a cool conversation. And so he and I quickly kind of said, man, why have we not even hunted together? Like we've been at trade shows and stuff and done some stuff and everything. And so that's been really cool for me, an old friend I've known a long time, to get back in camp.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And the conversations are so funny. We get to laughing and cutting up. And I don't know, it's crazy.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
He's done a phenomenal job, man. He's great. He has. I was when Ronella had reached out and I had a chance to be on his podcast, you know, I I would say I'm a very secure person. But at the same time, I know I'm country. I know I'm the, for lack of better words, the guy that... I kill a lot of stuff. There ain't no way to say it any better. I could say harvest, pluck, take.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
But at the end of the day, I grew up where... In Georgia, we could kill 10 deer legally a year. So mostly with a bow. And then Alabama, the neighboring state, you know, you could kill a buck and a doe a day for a long time in Alabama. And there was people that tried to do it. It wasn't ever, did you get you a good one this year? Like, yep, 47.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
Like, yeah, you know. That's a lot of food. At first, I was, you know, when I first started meeting and hanging with Ronell, I thought, man, I hope he don't think I'm just this old redneck crazy dude that, you know.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And then once we've become friends, it gets back to the whole how everything is so much tighter that you realize and how we all have so much respect for each other and different lanes of bringing it. And it's just like anything. I mean, you know, you've got different players on a team all playing for the same team. But they all have a different skill set. And so we all grow up a little different.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And so, again, I just assumed growing up in my small little area just out of Manchester, Woodbury, Georgia, I really think the area I was from is called Booger Bottom, Georgia. And I just thought, well, Booger Bottoms are everywhere. Well, you find out there is a lot of different little names. There are no lights there. But I just really assumed everybody did.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And I was just completely devastated when I went to the city. And, you know, and I'd tell somebody like, man, you know, what do you do? It's like, man, I work for a company. We do hunting shows, TNN. And I'm so proud thinking, man, I should be able to pass out a business card and meet a girl with this. You know, like, oh, my God, you're a killer. You kill Bambi.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And it just, bro, it just completely devastated. Devastating.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
I never had. I didn't know it existed. I mean, I was that naive.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
I mean, it's really weird. It really hit me when I started traveling. I literally was like a kid that was just, you know, getting up every morning for Christmas. I was having a chance to work for Bill Jordan and I met him through winning a turkey calling contest. And he asked me him and David Blanton. I can't say enough great things about Bill and David.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
David Blanton believed in me when I mean, he always believed in me so much. And he said, hey, man, we'd love for you to help guide hunters. And back then, everything around hunting was media, outdoor life, field and stream. So there wasn't any hunting shows. But then about that same time, TNN, after these NASCAR races, introduced an outdoor block, which if you go back and look.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
This would have been, for me, it would have been a 92 or 3 or 4, somewhere right in there. Did they even have rangefinders back then? No rangefinders. I bought the first one I'd ever seen. It was a Bushnell, and I still work with Bushnell. The thing looked like a car battery. I mean, literally, you know, I had safety straps. I had, like, chains.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
I like one strongest man contest to hold this thing up. But you had the little ones you could roll. And it didn't even tell you when the temperature changes, it's going to give you an inaccurate, it's going to change with the weather. But no, it was, you know, just guessing. Was it a laser range finder? The first ones was like a roller. You rolled two things.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
I forget how exactly it worked, but it come and it gave you basically a... A rough estimate? A rough estimate. And it'd be like 40 yards. And then Bushnell, to my knowledge, come out with one. It was a bigger one. It looked... Like I said, it kind of looked like a small battery. It was big, and it had a laser on it, and you could range it, and it gave you, you know, the yardage.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
It didn't have any of the arc, the angle range compensation. It had any of that, and the first person I ever saw that even talked about that was Chuck Adams. I was videoing with him back in those TNN days, and...
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
It works. Yeah, it works really well. It's unbelievable. And that, to me, I didn't know existed. Have you ever fucked around with those Garmin sights? No, I haven't. I've always wanted to try one.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
I liked that a lot because – and I think I've heard you even mention this. What I love about archery is obviously you've got these windows. Everything ain't just sitting out in the yard where you're shooting through the woods, especially if you're out there elk hunting. You've got these windows and –
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
There was a site years ago that I remember, and it worked in theory great, but it wasn't like the range or the Garmin, but they had these fiber optics that were glued to the middle of basically a piece of glass that went into the site housing. So you would buy this glass housing that, okay, if your bow was 280 feet per second or 290 or 300, 320 feet, And your pins were preset.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
So you went in and got your top pin dialed in. So then you had all these, but your sight viewing was good. The problem was when it rained or if it got dirty. Foggy.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And what I did like about that is the fact that the reason I've always liked pins, multiple pins, is the fact that I could see my whole sight picture where my arrow's going from 20 all the way out to even if I'm shooting 80. In this case, most of my sights are set up from, say, 20 to 60 or 20 to 70. I try to put as many pins on my sight as I can.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
A lot of people don't like it because they think it's clutter, but once I've mentally got used to it, if I range a bull, say, 65, when I pull back... Without having to do any other calculations, I put my 60-yard pin on that bull. It's in the clear. And then quickly, now, it's like a memory of going back.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
There's a company I found. Actually, I was in Illinois at this—it was a beer and deer fest in Illinois, and I went by this booth.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And I quickly go back up to my 20-yard pin, and I'm looking all the way down through and estimating, is this arrow going to arc through? But basically, from 20 all the way out to my desired, where I want to hit, I can see the arc of my arrow based on my pin set good. So you know if there's a gap in the trees, you're going to be able to get right in there.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
I know if I'm at 60 holding dead on that clear spot, but I got a limb at 30 and my 30-yard pin's in the middle of it, I know, like, oh, crap, I'm going to hit that. So now I can just squat down. So that's why I don't like as much a single-pin technology. And then quickly, what I like about the pins, it's clutter.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
It's kind of old-fashioned, but I do like that a lot from that standpoint of trajectory of the ability to kind of kill or to take and fill a tag. And... Cam and I talked a lot about those things. We talked a lot about the release.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
I definitely like... I like the handheld from a... If I really want to try to hone in and be a little more disciplined and kind of not feel it go off and shoot with completely surprise, I like that.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
But I don't think that traditionally works as great for hunting because of the fact... I think you do have to know and to make that arrow go right now if you consistently have to... Even in Texas, I mean, we're shooting animals at... you know, 20 to 30 yards, those deer. Sometimes the opportunity is right there. Sometimes they walk in, they're dogging a doe. They're coming in.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
Every deer ain't coming in just to eat corn or to eat in a food plot. They're coming in. They got one thing on their mind, and that's, you know, mama is ready. And so they're coming in grunting. So that deer runs, he stops, and you got to be at full draw. No, he's 27. Come back, and you got to send it right now.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
Dude, I mean, just an animal. Yeah. He's probably the most decorated archer that I know. I mean, that dude.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
Yeah, because like Ulmer, Gillingham, all those guys are heroes of mine. I mean, like, I very much look up to them. And if I can ever pull them aside, I just wear them out trying to learn, you know. Right. And but Levi is right there, dude, far as winning and what he knows. And, you know, another thing about Levi, I got to give him credit. That dude is a cold blooded killer, man.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
He is a great hunter, too. Sometimes I don't translate. I know some people that are great tournament. Right. I mean, 3D tournament, ASA, IBO winners. Right. But it doesn't go over into the ability to just free throws versus basketball.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
A lot. A lot of shit going on. And then you've got the nerves. You never get completely over that. People ask me all the time, do you ever get nervous or get buck fever? I'm like, man, almost every time. I think that's when, if some of that, yes, you get good at kind of... Somewhat like stage fright. I saw a clip of Elvis Presley. I thought it was just so unique.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
It seems that a lot of the arrowheads are, you know, the ones that was actually attached to shoot with archery were a lot smaller. Like, you know, some people might argue that I don't know enough about it. It's like, is it a spearhead? I found some heads. Like, look at this I found. Like, well, that's a spearhead or that's this or that.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
I saw a clip of Elvis Presley the other day on this YouTube clip, and he was completely in panic. And this was like right in the prime of his career, and he was walking around, and it was a narrator saying, yes, Elvis notoriously would get just afraid every time he went on fray. And I'm like, this is the king. Right. But he was just pacing, and he was being short with a couple of people.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And anyway, he walks out there, and I'm sure he crushes it. But I think... It's similar to probably how some of those football players running out on the field. There's no way you got all this clicking in your head like, oh, man, I got to remember. Belichick has told me that he's introduced this new offense. I'm not sure. I don't know if I can read. I don't know how I'm going to read this offense.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
I think hunting's similar as to where everything has to click, but you still get that – Now is my opportunity. Yes. And dude, it still is overwhelming. And then to control it. And then when you fit that air through that window and then you can pick up the phone and call your family and say, baby doll, don't buy no steak because I'm bringing it home.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
It's it's it's it's again, it's just it's not like you want to disrespect the animal, but you just achieve something different. Grocery shopping in the wild is what you do.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
You find somebody like Remy or I got a friend named Ike Rainey who's really –
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And when it comes to archery too, You're on that ragged line to where in your subconscious you can go from – you can be the hero or you can be zero that quick. All of that time, the money, the energy, the time that you did step away from the Netflix special in your case because, hey, I'm elk hunting. You know you've got to somehow communicate with your buddies. Oh, man, I missed.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
Or worse, I made a bad shot. Let's let them lay. And so everything that you look forward to that whole year, you could let yourself down. So it's a very – individual, lonely feeling.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And I'm always, are you always positively thinking when you're like, I'm about to put it on him? Are you thinking positive? I have to. I do, too. Yeah, I think you have to. I was interested. You know, I was talking. I mentioned Chuck Adams. Chuck told me that he did that exact opposite. He said sometimes I would say, hey, I'm going to do my best. I'll probably fail.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
big into artifacts and if you find something what you think it is it's kind of like the first time I hunted in Africa I thought I'd shot a spring buck or a I thought I'd shot a diker and it turned out it was a spring buck it's like oh okay there's only 7,000 species of animals out here so I think arrowheads are the same way it's just it's amazing but to think you're right I mean think of somebody sat down thousands and thousands of years and napped that out and how many times did they not get it right you can say that's perfect
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And so he went hunting with us one time in Texas, and I said, Kenny, I mean, how much weed do you got to smoke to get on a bike and think you can do a flip for the first time? He said, man, I just always thought I'd probably kill myself, but I'd try it. I said, so you never thought you would land it? He said, no, every time I try a trick, I think I'm about to wad it up.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
I said, oh, my God, how do you do that? And I'm thinking about me and my buddy Boo Bishop building a BMX track and building a little something we jumped over and thinking I'd be scared to like –
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
I never thought, yeah, jumping the ramp, like, I'm probably going to crash. I always would think I could. And then when I crashed, I'd be, you know, like, surprised. Like, I can't believe that. That hurt, you know. So Chuck and Kenny was the only guys I've ever thought that.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
Is there ever a comedian that walks out and is like, hey, I'm probably going to bomb, but I'm going to do the best I can. Or I'm going to play this guitar the best I can. I don't know.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
I'm going to be open. Hit me. You muster through. I know you're limping. Hit me. I'll go, yeah, okay.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
I agree with that, too. As a matter of fact, if there's any negative thing, I think the hunting industry and even TV shows that we produce can put a negative vibe potentially on trying to kill these big trophy animals. Don't get me wrong. There's nothing wrong with it. I mean, you're hunting Utah and the places we get a chance to hunt. Absolutely.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
Well, that's exactly right. I was thinking back and even listening, you know, like you had Ranella, of course, Cam, a lot of my hunting buddies and people I look up to as well, Remy Warren, all those guys. And you start thinking about the amount of time we spend in the woods and we don't even see a mountain lion. You talk about the wolves.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
You're looking for, in that case, a seven to eight year old bull.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
You know, sometimes they might score 320 to 370. At the end of the day, the trophy is for sure a mature animal. But you also got to keep in perspective, especially if you grow up where I did, where literally there's, you know, 10 guys shared a 300 acre property that they just want to deer hunt. And they're trying to get away. Keep in mind, they're still managing a family.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
They're still dealing with the economy. They're still dealing with everyday strife of, man, how am I going to get off work? Yeah. still get my kid to soccer practice or football practice. My wife is pissed off. I hadn't even took her to Applebee's in the last three months, you know, and it's like I didn't take the kids to Disney World.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And the only family picture we got in front of the Shoney's big boy. So, man, what am I going to do? But in the back of my mind, I was like, I sure would like to get off. Maybe Saturday I could spend a little time and go up to the hunt lease. hang out, maybe get a chance to shoot a deer. They're not necessarily thinking, I got to kill a deer to put it in Pope and Young and Arboon and Crockett.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
They're looking, it's more than just a hunt. It is a getaway. It's a, I call it, it's a cheapest, you know, antidepressant you can get on to where you can clear your mind, you can get away. Hopefully you can turn your phone off, get up in a tree stand or a saddle, whatever it is, whether you're hunting public or private. And we miss that in the hunting industry so many times.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And there's people that are literally busting their ass for their family. It's not a sport to hunt, but it's therapeutic. They grew up doing it to be able to sit around a fire with other men and women sometimes and get away.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
to cleanse yourself of everything that's going on and unfortunately i think that's what drives people sometimes crazy in the even in the city sometimes i i walked around austin today uh early had me a nice breakfast and i just walked around and ended up running to this uh children's network that was trying to raise money where you can kind of adopt a kid and give them so much a month so man i did again i talked to everybody i just said hey man what y'all selling over here like oh man normally people don't come up and talk to us we have to sell them as a guy from europe and
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And a sweet girl that was, you could tell, born and raised right around here. Anyway, with that said, I ended up, you know, I said, man, I want to pledge some money every month. So I picked me out a kid in Guatemala. And so anyway, with that said, about that time, here comes a street person. And he is cussing me and her. And that fell out.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
I mean, the most vile words you could, I mean, cussing like a sailor, as they would say metaphorically. And I'm like, man, what's wrong with this guy? So I said, y'all get this a lot, you know. And it was just before, not far from when I come over here. And the girl said, yeah, we do get that a lot.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And the guy with the British accent or the European accent said, you know, we get it quite a bit, you know. He said, but I think there's a bad batch of something right now. And I'm like, oh, really? He said, you know, he said, man, people have been really mean lately. They've been yelling and cussing and screaming at us.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And well, by the time a guy comes back and he's like, you MFers, I know everything and everybody's retarded. And I'm like, and he's right there. And I'm at the point to where... Man, you know, I ain't scared. And you can tell they're experiencing it more than I do. And I'm sitting there watching this guy. And then all of a sudden, he's just yelling and screaming. I said, hey, buddy.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
I said, just so you know, we on your side, man. We love you, bro. I said, you're right. You know a lot more than people realize. You know a hell of a lot more than people realize. And I said, you cool. I'm on your team. So are they. And he said, and it was crazy. Joe, he looked at me and said, thank you. He left. And it hit me. It was so weird.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
I got a little off track when I was talking about hunting, but I thought, man, the dude don't even really want to be understood. He wants to be heard. Right. And I thought, how ironic that I'm going to speak with Joe today. And anyway, the girl and the guy says, I've never seen that happen. Like that just got diffused. He treated him like a human.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
Yeah, and sometimes it's almost like, you know, I've never figured out completely a lady, my wife. Sometimes it's always a game. And I've learned that I don't know that I'll ever understand exactly what it is she wants, but I know she wants me to hear and pay attention. And I think that's what... society's doing, whether you're a hunter, whether you're from the city.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
But overall, what I have found, whether you live in the city or the country, whether you get a chance to go to a rave or go to the mothership, which I hope to go by there or not. I just want to check out the joint, you know. And so anyway, when it's all said and done, there's something about the peace and tranquility that you can refuel out in the woods and
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
and it brings everything to a focal point, and you can be still and be quiet, and it brings everything back. And so in reality, it's not about people going to think of you different if you shoot the biggest, highest-scoring animal that you can put in the Bopin Young or the Boone and Crockett record books.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
I think those of us, once we learn to respect each other and love each other's goals, that, yeah, if I know that your goal is to shoot, say, a .390 bull, That one day, you know, I'll get a call and you're going to be hyperventilating. You're like, I just did it. Like, what?
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And that is a very good death compared to a pack of wolves or a mountain lion starting to eat on you sometimes before they're even deceased.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
Bears are brutal, man. Bears are very brutal and selfish animals, man.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
It makes me less wine when when, you know, like if you're out in Utah and you have success in elk woods and you're. Butchering an elk and trying to get them packed out when you're just having to resharpen your knives. Like, it's the least I can do is resharpen this knife.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And then if they knew how a bear's personality was, they would want to kill them. Oh, they'll kill their own kids to breed mama to eat them. I mean, it's just a brutal world. There was things before I even had a chance to hunt that I recognized just domestically. Raising rabbits, those rabbits would sometimes kill the little baby rabbits.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
for the right and opportunity to breed again real quick with the female in the pen, you know. And I realized, and my pawpaw said, you've got to separate them. That buck rabbit killed that. I'm like, man, I didn't know that. You know, I'm 10, 11 years old trying to figure out how to raise some rabbits or watching hogs, you know, pigs. It ain't always had on a raised floor pen.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
He'd have to raise up a few hogs. Man, them jokers are trying to kill each other. Mean. You know who does it?
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
I mean, these guys had to nap out ahead. I mean, how long did that take just to go hunt an elk, you know?
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
Well, that's amazing. I mean, you watch the breeding season during elk, like you was talking about those elk fighting. And ironically, they never... They never get things confused. Those males are looking for the females. The females know that I'm going to breed with this dude and the strongest survive. And a lot of people say, oh, they're really not trying to kill each other.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
No, you wasn't out there. I didn't watch this on Nat Geo. They're trying to murder each other.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
It sounds like an old, like some kind of Scottish fight back in the 1400s.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
Oh, I know. I'll tell you something that's interesting. We hunted in a place in Montana where we – it was on the Milk River. And they had what they called a buffalo drop on this property. Oh, wow. And so if you went to where this buffalo drop was, you could go to the base of it and you could find – there wasn't any much left now.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
We had the same similar thing in New Mexico this year. Nick Munt, who's one of my best friends, we hunt a lot together, he shot...
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
a good bull like first morning I was calling it was classic man bull come in he shot it and we were caping him out there on the side of the hill and and all of a sudden he said look here man he had a he had a tine again about four inches and it was broke off just right all pussed up yeah and this dude still come in yeah I'm gonna send Jamie this this picture because it's so or the video because it's so crazy
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
It's so cool, though, to see that and experience it. And I think it's sad that most people don't know. And there's a lot of very smart people that, in some cases, they think it might be a little beneath them to understand what maybe hunting is truly about other than maybe what they see on a Walt Disney movie. And I think that is definitely...
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
kind of fueled me to be able to help educate and talk about those things. And I know Ronella has done an amazing job of introducing that too. And there's a lot of great ambassadors that we got right now doing that.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
One of the coolest stories, actually, and only in America. You don't hear this story in Turkmenistan. But, you know, I grew up, obviously, like I said, rural. I loved to hunt and fish. Very simple. My dad was a contractor. So I really thought that I wanted to maybe work with my dad or do what he did, hands-on labor. I knew I didn't want to be in office anyway. I'll try to keep it short.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
But basically what I end up doing is just enthralled. My mom passed away when I was young, 16. And so my dad and I become more like brothers. And my dad, he had a ninth grade education, hardest working man I've ever been around. And so anyway, we loved hunting fish and it become therapeutic. And so I got into turkey calling and had won some contests and met some of my turkey calling heroes.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And that's where I met bill jordan and david blanton and i started guiding when i was probably 19 so and then one thing led to another start working full-time there at real tree and just uh As a guide, as a camera guy, they had that show on TNN. And so I was just literally camera jockeying it from skin and deer, guide and turkey hunters.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And it was David Blanton who said, man, you know, there's a lot more you could do. And so I kind of by default, Joe, how I got lucky, too, was when I hooked up with those guys, David Blanton and Bill, I got to do some of the turkey calling tips because I had won some contests. And so even back on TNN, I was this young kid and they were like, hey, we need a contest. We need a tip.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
We used to hunt back in the day mostly in the – I hadn't been since 2000. I think it was 7 or – 2010 was the last time I had went out there. But at the base of that, you used to find all kind of bones, you know, bison bones, you know, buffalo and stuff. But you would sometimes find these little tiny heads. And they didn't look like this.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
You know, the TNN tip of the week, you know, brought to you by Fieldline Packs. You know, something like, you know, hey, man, I'm Michael Water. I want to talk to you about yelping at turkeys. I ain't know nothing about TV. So it was never top of mind. Like one day I'll be hunting on TV. I was just thinking, man, I love this enough that maybe I can do that. I can work for this company.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And listen to this. They'll pay you this thing called mileage. I had an old beat-up Toyota truck, four-cylinder. I said, Dad, them suckers will pay me a mileage. I forgot what it is, but heck, if I drive an hour, I make money. And then if you stop at a convenience store, you keep your receipt, and they'll pay for your snacks, everything.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
I couldn't believe that because I grew up with my dad working. Like, oh, Timmy just fell off the roof. Like, well, let's call his wife. Tell them to come get him. And then my dad'd be like, huh, you all right? And I'd be like, oh, I think I broke my leg. Hell, you know, it's like, oh, dang, well, you're probably going to be here tomorrow, are you? Like, you know, I doubt it.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
I mean, it was just rough, almost cowboy shit, you know? And so I couldn't believe this, you know? And so one thing led to another, and that was in the early 90s, right out of high school. And I'm 51 now, and that was in the early 90s. And in 1994 and 5, everything started heating up. And in 96... David Blanton offered me a full-time job to work in production slash guide.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
No. And my family took it hard. My grandmom and my uncles were like, I might as well just got on crack and been on the street. They're like... I'd went to heating and air school and got a degree and worked a year with Barringers Heat and Cooling out of Zebelin, Georgia. And I had me a truck, had my name on it, you know, Michael, you know, and had me my refrigeration tools.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And every Christmas, my dad, oh, boy, I got you another flaring kit. I mean, just blue-collar culture. And all of a sudden, you know, I'm coming in and telling the family, like, hey – I don't know if I'm going to keep doing the heat and air deal. You know, like, what? Like, you got a truck, son. You got your own uniform. You know, you got benefits.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
I'm like, yeah, but there's this camouflage company wanting me to take Dale Earnhardt turkey hunting. And my dad was the only one that got it. Everybody else is like it was an intervention. Like I'd go to Christmas and like, hey, nephew, pull your side. Now, you know, you can't make a living at this hunting and fishing thing.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
You know, you know, like, well, I don't know, but I'm young and man, this is really, really cool. I love this more than anything. But it was kind of that whole situation of it wasn't a job before. It wasn't a job. And I and I and I was trusting them. But I was sitting there thinking like.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
pretty sure bill jerns rich i mean he's i saw him with a mercedes he had a mercedes benz and uh matter of fact there's a real funny story about that mercedes benz uh but i i couldn't believe it and so my grandma was like son when you get tired of this just go have fun with it but come back to it almost no different than if you're a young kid like i'm going to nashville
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
Which is interesting what Remy brought up. Maybe that was for fishing or something. I don't know. But all the heads we would find would be tiny little, almost like bird points is what I felt like I wanted to call them. I heard them called before. And supposedly what they did was is they didn't necessarily weren't trying to kill the buffalo.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
I want to play guitar and sing. Right. Maybe I can be the next Luke Bryan.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And somebody in the family was like, oh, when he gets right, he'll come back, jump in the family business, start putting these shingles on the roof.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
He'll get back in a sheet rock and just give him a chance. Hell, he was one of the best concrete guys I knew. That kid would work. He could run a bull float like some bitch, you know. And so that was me. And and all of a sudden they offered me a full time job. Wasn't a lot of money. And I remember going back and saying, you know, hey, they got all these things, 401K. They got benefits.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
I got eye and dental. And I get to go on all these epic trips. And I met amazing people, hunted with people that I was just shell-shocked. I remember I met Leonard Skinner Band in a NASCAR suite one time. The maddest I ever got at Bill Jordan. Maddest I ever got. Of course, you know.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
ronnie was had passed on and half the members but it was uh johnny van zant and it was uh rossington and i'm sitting there a redneck kid i'm at atlanta motor speedway like i can't believe it there's mark martin's wife and i'm like man i have made it i'm over chicken fingers and bro all of a sudden i look the door opens and there was just people in there it's the leonard skinner band looked just like you know like what i pictured and i'm like i'm
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
Oh, my God. You know, I'm freaking out. And Bill said, hey, ain't that a band? I said, that's not only a band. That's Lynyrd Skynyrd. And Bill Jordan said, what are they saying? I said, I swear to God, I ain't never hit my balls, but I'm about to knock you out. Are you kidding me? And I'll never forget. I went over there. And I was just, you know, I got a chance to meet him.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
But so many people I met and I couldn't believe it. And one thing led to another. And really what the biggest break I had was David Blanton, who was like a big brother. I mean, like a like a father. And he was just such a good guy. Good Christian guy. Good hunter. Outdoor Channel was just coming on. Outdoor Channel was really good. Kind of coming on.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
But at the time, you know, the kind of beat your chest kind of pride was the fact that you could be on ESPN and or TNN. And then TNN had been through a situation where I think it was Viacom had. some big merger that was part of the MTV thing. And so they quickly through their kind of culturally said, Hey, we need to kind of do away with this hunting thing. These guys are killing stuff.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And it become the Nashville. It was a Nashville network. Then it becomes a national network. Then it becomes spike TV. And so everything moved over all the, the big Sunday night block move over to ESPN, but you couldn't show impact. Well, about that time they started the outdoor channel on cable TV. They were looking for distribution. And so it was David Blanton.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
They would hurt them and they would just kind of peck them with the arrows. And then they would run the buffalo off of this cliff. And so it basically died coming off the cliff. And it was so cool across the valley. You could still see all those stone rings to where. supposedly the ladies or the squaws would sit there and look back.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
He said, Michael, we need to come up with a cool hook and we need to create a show over on outdoor channel. And so getting back to meeting these people and what I found, it was fascinating. And it's just the same with these conversations you have, these people that you just look up to.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
Yeah, you meet some people that are interesting and weird, but for the most part, you're like, wow, these guys are super cool, super talented. And that's what I was finding when I would run into a country singer. I remember Mark Chestnut sitting around and drinking whiskey and him playing the guitar and singing Hank Williams Jr.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
song, running into Bo Cephas, running into, you know, to Leonard Skinner and all those guys. And I'm like, man, these guys are so down to earth and cool. And I realized that there was more to this hunting than just this staunch, you know, here we go with the Encinitas Ratch. Today we're hunting the mesquite flats of Encinole, you know. Right, right.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
With the coyotes abundant, there's a big buck around the corner. The narrator.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
At the time, it was so sanitized. It was so sanitized. Everybody was starched. Yeah. You go to a hunting show. Everybody had on khakis. I mean, it's almost like it was a facade. And and I remember telling David Blanton, I said, I think what we're missing is the culture and the fun. And everybody was very serious.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And you should be serious if you're going to go take a bow and arrow or rifle and take the life of a wild animal. But the camp life was so amazing, and we'd have different personalities, different NFL athletes. We would have comedians, people like Jeff Foxworthy.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And I was just so pleased that these people that I adored and was big fans of was people that you could sit around and have a glass of sweet tea or a cold beer and just laugh. And they were as real, possibly more entertaining in person, kind of like you talk about Theo. People ask if he's really funny. Well, you should have. Should have been with us at this UFC fight.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
We couldn't even watch the fight. The guys, you know, cracking us up. And so I told David, I said, I think most of these people, if we could do a show kind of document and just a camp life and the reality of how much fun you have, I think we could sell that fun. And so David said, do it. He said, he said, matter of fact, you host it.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And I'm like, no, no, no, I'm not coming in here to pitch you for me to host a show. Behind the scenes, I'll guide, I'll run camera, I'll help edit, produce. He had sent me to Maine to this international film and art school to learn how to edit on nonlinear, the first Avid. Oh, wow. I'm up there like, dude, I'm big. I got my business card. Like, yeah, I work for Realtree.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
you know, out on TNN, you know, I'm, I'm over there. And I found out that was where it really hit me that a lot of people didn't like hunting. Like, Oh my God, you kill animals. And I had all these beta tapes. And I remember I had Dale Earnhardt killing the deer on there. And I told the instructor, I said, I need to learn how to put this in the computer and build a hunt out of it.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
Cause everything was a B roll editing. And I knew how to do that pretty good. I said, but I need to learn how to do it on this nonlinear. He said, Oh my God, we never, we struggled to get footage. Y'all got these $80,000 cameras. Cause Bill was one of the first people to buy these really high dollar cameras.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
beta cameras that was out videoing with and putting them in the wild and so uh anyway as that as i showed the footage he said man can we use this and let the class use this footage as a project to build storylines because i had the cutaways you know back then you'd
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
you'd shoot the animal you'd video that then you'd go back okay push your safety off like now like you pretend you'd pretend so it's like a reenactment now let's go back and build the pre-hunt you know and it'd be like dale earnhardt walking through the forest with his gargoyles on or however and he's camouflaged like yeah we're going down here to a ridge flat a lot of acorns up there and well the deer has been dead a long time ago obviously by the time we shot that and um
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And soon as the men basically had, you know, whatever amount of Buffalo, I guess over the drop, they would come and butcher and the man would go back and, you know, smoke the peace pipe and relax. So, uh, Times have changed a lot.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
So he loved that, the instructor, because it gave us a chance to put the storyline. And I thought, man, I'm going to be the hero. You know, all these little girls up here in Maine and I ain't never seen a lot of people with purple hair and stuff. And I could tell it was kind of that cool hippie trend and it was artsy. But in my mind, I'm like, I'm just having a good time.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
Anyway, dude, immediately, Joe, it become a protest. There was two or three people stood up in the class like, we're not using this. We cannot. We will walk out. These animals are getting dead. If you can prove these animals were not harmed. And I'm like, no, they're all dead. I mean, they're dead.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And finally, I had a little bit of a meltdown because that was one of the first times that it really hit me where I had a mass of people saying, you know, almost felt like the Antichrist because I'm the guy killing deer. And I thought it was going to be the opposite. I was ready to name drop. Like, look, I got Dale Earnhardt. I video shooted. I was ready to name drop. And it just all.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
Never. And so I learned that. And then one thing led to another. I remember I went to the instructor. I said, man, look, I'm a little bit bothered. You know, it is what it is. But even if you have to teach me after class, I need to learn how to do this. I'm not doing I'm a student, but I come up here. My employer sent me up here. I got to learn how to do this.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
So I came back pretty efficient as a nonlinear editor. All of it didn't have any desire to know that that's what I wanted to do, but I was just wanting to sweep the warehouse. If you want me to edit, you want me to take somebody hunting, you need me to put up a fence, skin a buck, whatever.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And then when David gave me that opportunity to do Realtree Road Trips back in the day, it was in 2003 it aired. We shot it in 2002. That's when everything for me, because it was all about personality. It was all about having fun and
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
Exactly. The hilarious whitetail uses secondary scrapes as he approaches his staging area.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
It was. And even to this day, it's kind of still where we kind of settle in. And it's like... You know, honestly, I'm not really trying to out-hunt anybody, but we'll try to out-fun everybody. And so if you come to camp, you know, and this is myself, big old T-Bone, you know, he lost his leg, so he's not hunting with us as much. He can't get around to cancer. He lost his leg.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
But Nick and I, I mean, we're going to have a good time. And if you desire to get serious, which we do encourage, hey, it's time to buckle down. There's a time for fun. There's a time to haunt it in. But we just try our best to make it fun. And I've learned that... If you do that and you can make friends, that's the biggest form of the trophy you'll ever get. Yes, that's a trophy.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
But the stories you got with sitting with Ronella and the people around the camp and that experience, you meet people from all over the country, in our case, the world. And then next thing you know, it's like even more special. And so I know people. I say it a lot. I know people that's got some amazing trophy rooms.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
But they're lonely, they're dusty, and they really ain't made a lot of friends because they were so beating their chest to kill the next biggest thing that they forgot that the trophy is relationships and the adventure. And yes, inevitably, this deer that's hanging on the wall that your family has enjoyed over a period of sometimes a year.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
Sometimes it'll take you a year or two to eat elk, a full elk. It's a lot of meat, but... I don't know, man. It's just an amazing journey. I mean, I never felt like I was that talented other than the fact I just had a lot of good work ethic my dad put in me, and I really had a passion for it. And I didn't have really any weird opposition pulling me away from it. It pulled me toward it.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
But growing up so rural and blue-collar, I had to prove to my family that there was a livelihood here because they literally looked at it like – We need to get that boy drug tested. I don't know. Listen to this. He thinks he's going to video deer hunts. That's what he thinks. And he's going to skin a few. He's going to take a few celebrities hunting. And he's going to get free camo.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
But you can't eat that camo. I ain't going to buy the Salisbury steak. How are you going to go to Bonanza?
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
and so the entire side of the cliff was black from these buffalo falling off of this place rotting and then created a fire yeah i mean i don't even know how that would work i don't either but i do know that those buffalo drops do exist and it's pretty fascinating and the place we're hunting is a uh you know private landowner he was a rancher had some cows and um He was very funny.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
It's a great point, because to this day, I'll go to, and aside, because I'm now, you know, I know you love classic cars, and I hear about the things you talk about, and obviously I'm a big fan of the podcast. And so one thing that draws me in is the fact that culturally we're into the same things.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
You know, Rubik's Cubes and 80s, and I always, my favorite car was a 70 Super Sport, you know, Chevelle. I have one of those. Dude. Black with white stripes.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
The same one like on John Wick, basically. Yes, exactly.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
So anyway, I was just so amazed by, I don't know, it's just all of it. And even now when I meet people, that's the first thing they'll say after we hang out. And I just had it up at Cactus Jack with Cameron. I had two or three of the guys, like, hey, man. And these are older guys, like, appreciate you, Waddell, man. You're just like I thought you'd be. And it kind of takes me back.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
It's not offensive, but I'm like – What was I supposed to be? And I guess I realize, and Cameron and I have talked a lot about that, about like it's odd that there is a thing that is fake, that people can't be transparent, that people can't just talk their feelings. And everything we say don't mean our assessment is always correct, but at least it is something to be heard and told.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And then the more you talk, I think that's what reshaped the politics this year. When you look at Trump coming on, J.D., Harris passed. Well, it proves like, well, did you really have something to say? And could it be valid? And could you be real? And everybody, I think, appreciates real, even if they don't like the person that they see necessarily as real. And now everything's in question.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
It's like, you know, it's like these rappers, are they really as tough as they say? Right. Was Diddy gay? Right. I thought he had done shot more stuff than I have, you know? And it's like, you know, I don't know.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
All these wolves are starting to be reintroduced and you still don't see them a lot of times. They're there. But then again, you capture them on trail cameras in the middle of the night. But yet Yeti or Sasquatch, only Jack Link's beef jerky has seen him. I saw him on the Super Bowl commercial.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And then the first thing I ask Cameron is like, dude, he's unbelievable. So you meet and you are that person. And a question for you, I've often wondered, do you think that's starting to affect Hollywood a little bit to where now, if you look at the most successful people, it is the realest people?
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
You know, people might not even like, say, a Donald Trump, but people are gravitated because they think, hey, man, this is him. This is real. Yeah.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
He did not want us to video on any of our episodes or anything to do. And back then we were videoing. I was working with Bill Jordan and we had a show on TNN back in the day. And he's like, do not bring your cameras. I don't want any TV cameras around here because they'll come and. all of a sudden they'll set this up as a historical site. So he was really funny about it.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And it's easier to expose stuff now because social media, I'm sure, like back in the day, I can only imagine the parties at Waylon Jennings and Merle Haggard. Some of these pictures on the wall in here, can you imagine some of the stuff? They didn't have to worry about nobody. Right. Rock stars.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And all they got to do is like, I was not there. Prove it.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
Maybe she could now, though. Maybe she's so – if there is a machine. Because you know what is fair to say, even on Harris, I'll say this, or Kamala – and that's what's amazing to me. I didn't think she had a chance to win because I didn't even know – I still don't know what her name is. I mean, I don't know. What the hell? Is it Kamala Kamala? I think it's Kamala. It's Kamala.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
Well, it's like, well, I'm probably going to screw it up. It's like, you know, and then CNN is going to be like, yeah, you heard – Rogan didn't even call her name right.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
But at the end of the day, maybe now that she's out of that whole situation, because you see, and I think the world's changing, where record producers and stuff are controlling music, and if you're going to get on a radio station to where... Everybody walks a tightrope. You're working for this machine. Hollywood, I'm sure, the same way. You've got people that...
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
I remember Ted Nugent tells a story. Was it Kurt Russell? He was one of his best friends was Kurt Russell. And Kurt likes to hunt. And this was Ted just telling me in a hunting camp. And I asked him, I said, man, you know, how is Kurt? You know, I love his movies, too. I'm a big fan. He said, dude, Kurt is amazing. He said, but he had to.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
So I didn't even take a lot of pictures of it because I was always like, hey, you know, this guy didn't want us to take any pictures and talk about it. But, man, every time I'd come back, you know, for morning hunt or we'd go scout, I'd come back and like, man, I want to go to Buffalo Drop.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
to a degree, during that time frame, bow to that machine because he couldn't do these things. So I think now it's like you don't know what's real because you don't know if they are trying to do this for a career or if they can be real. And then at times, OK, I believe De Niro, in his case, is finally his true colors and finally like I'm enough to where I can be real.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
But the real you do see in him, I'm like, go back to being fake. Yeah.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
I totally agree. That's what people like. And that perspective you shine, you know, obviously you got a lot of respect for Mike Tyson. I think he's the... Baddest boxer, toughest. I mean, I idolized him as a boxer. I didn't know much about him as a man or what he was going through at the time. But like when it come time to watch a boxing bout, Tyson's on the card.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
But what a sweetheart of a man. I listened to it and just the things he says. He's so sweet. You know, he says things that you don't even know if he's funny. Like he was talking about, you know, Joe, you know, you ever get erect when you fight? You know, and they'll think, I think you giggled. And he's like, no, I'm serious. You know, and I'm like, whoa.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
Like, you know, it's like a little kid, like a little 10-year-old kid, Boy Scout, and like, look at this, here's a head or here's a buffalo horn or skull. And most of everything that would have been there, It had already been picked through because it was right off kind of a county road. And so most of the locals knew about it.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
You know, all I'm saying is like, I feel you, Tyson. I was hunting elk in, you know, New Mexico and bull come bugling and. I was kind of getting like $5 worth of jawbreakers. It was getting there because I was getting excited about this adrenaline of this elk. So, okay, you're doing it fighting. But in my mind, I thought it was kind of a joke, too. But he's such a sweet, deep thinker.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
He is. And guess what? The more you talk about somebody like Donald Trump, like him or love him, he has pretty much as now, you know, the second time he's going to be president. He is accessible to the people in a weird way, meaning I had a chance to even meet Trump. Talking about the hunting industry, he came to Las Vegas. We used to have this thing called the Golden Moose Awards.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And I knew Donald Jr. He was a big hunter. And anyway, the word got out that, hey, Trump, this is prior to the election, the 16th election. He came to Las Vegas to say, hey, man, there's 13 to 15 million hunters out there. I need to see what the situation is here. I think they're good people. And I hear this from my sons, Eric and Donald. So he comes there, and I had a chance to meet him.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And same thing, it was like, wow, this is before he's president, but he's still Donald Trump. And I remember I didn't know much if I could, you know, in my mind, is this the guy I'm going to vote for? He was still in the primaries. But I remember the first thing he said to me, he said, his Donald Jr. introduced me to him, said, Dad, you know, this is Michael Waddell.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And, of course, he's had kids and grandkids just kind of rummage through it. But it was pretty interesting. But every time you'd go, you'd find something. So it was really interesting.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
He works in the hunting industry, does hunting shows. He said, man, immediately, so nice. But I remember the words he said that I knew he wasn't a politician, was real. He said, so you do a lot of hunting. And I can't do the impression, but I said, yes, sir. I love it. That's all I love to do. He said, I'm not good at it. I don't have the patience. My son, they're very efficient.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
They're very efficient. They're very good. They hunt all around the world. He said, but I got a question. these wolves, what's the deal with the wolves? They're killing a lot of shit. And I said, Mr. Trump, it really is a problem. I got friends and ranchers out there, these wolves. They reintroduced them. They're spending millions of taxpayers' dollars out there.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And this is – in my mind, if I am playing this role of inferior or redneck or insecure, in my mind, I'm trying to talk humbly to kind of help him know what I know some friends out in Colorado have gone through from – cattle to domestic problems to the elk population he said well it's simple if they're causing a problem we need to do something about the wolves
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And I remember thinking, I'm voting for this dude. I'm voting for this dude. I don't care what he's talking about grabbing because I've been to a few little nonprofit, you know, in Washington, D.C., with lobbyists and stuff where we're trying to get some money from a bill for the NWTF and Brood and Habitat or Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And I found most of the politicians were decently fake, almost similar to a California L.A. actor type.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
Where it's like, okay, if I need to be nice to this guy, I will be. But I need to figure out who he is and if he's got credentials and what power he has. And so for me, here I am feeling like I'm the lowest person in this room. All these other guys are heads of major corporations within the hunting industry. And I'm just this guy who likes to turkey hunt.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
He's got this show on the Outdoor Channel, and I'm getting a chance to shake his hand. But he's just as real with me as he is the guy who maybe is – Maybe the richest guy in the room or possibly the most famous guy in the room. And I found that fascinating that he was that way. On the other hand, I'm over there talking to a senator at Washington, D.C. at a party a lobbyist put together.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And he's like, everything like, good to meet you. I, too, like to hunt and so gratifying to see the sunrise.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
Exactly. And the whole time, again, I never dug into politics. Like, I'm talking to a guy that once I do go back and Google, he come into office, he was making, you know, he's making as a senator, I don't know what, 50 to 100 grand a year. And now he's worth, and it's all he's ever done. Now he's worth $10 billion or $10 million.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
I don't think my grandmama would understand that either.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
I feel like there is a little bit of momentum that feels like there's a little bit of a cleansing process. It's going to take a long time, I think, to get there. But I think everything that's happening now, it feels through opportunities now.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
and outlets like this that people can talk and people can understand what's real and fiction or at least debate yeah it seems like everything from i don't know the political world to just everything about the truth about whether it's hunting and fishing the truth about the cosmos possibly uh you know that some of the stuff about ancient civilization to to you know people and and uh people that that love jesus christ you can really dig deep and you can have good conversations and it's not just dictated by a certain machine and um
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
I love that. That's pretty amazing that all of us can come together and have a conversation.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
It's crazy. And now it seems like we're so far removed from it. But yet, as we talk about it, that romance hadn't left. And even getting a chance to chase a bull elk, there's still some amazing rural wild places out there that we can kind of revisit. And that was the first thing I noticed is all the...
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And I find I still got friends that are diehard Democrats and pretty darn liberal. Believe it or not, even me that that works in the hunting industry and even them, I feel a sense of almost like I was having a conversation with a friend of mine from New York about this.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
I know. I mean, and people were paying attention that have never been intrigued. Yes. And I think a lot of things happen there. It's like, you know, most people, you know, somebody asked me, you know, how do you know when you're rich? And I said, well, when you don't know what a gallon of milk costs. That's to me.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
Because I remember growing up in that same rural area and, you know, my grandmama and stuff. But when I could sit there and talk to my youngins and, you know, my son Mason, I said, Mason. When you come down, run by and get us a gallon of milk. Get us some cereal. We'll just have cereal, and I got some sausage. But get us a gallon of milk and a loaf of bread.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
Well, that never was the case when I was a kid. Grandma would say, hey, run by. Look, don't go to Big Star. It's 25 cent more over there. Go over there to Giant Mark. They got a deal right now. As a matter of fact, go buy me a couple packs of that ground round. They're running a special. Gallon of milk. They knew. They'd drive over here and knew where gas was the cheapest.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And when you get to a place to where you know you're doing pretty well, it's like... I need some gas. Pull over.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
Yep. Everything after that is bullshit. And then look and say, hey, I want to tip 20% or 25, and you do the math and just write it on there. Yeah. You are rich, and you are blessed if you can do that.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
The Native American pictures you had, I hunt a lot with Native Americans, a lot with the Navajo Nation. I've become like family or they become like family to me. I go out there every year and the resources they have, you know, I know Cam hunts a lot, you know, as a Muscularo and different places. And I don't know, man.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
I 100% agree with that. And I think that backfired on a little bit of the whole Harris thing when she said, no, everything's good. And she's telling that to people who know exactly where the cheapest milk is. And they were going to vote for her.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
I'm struggling out here. You know, and then you're telling, you know, like we blessed to go to these hunting places, but they're not cheap places to hunt, to be able to technically trespass on these properties that are privately owned. And or if you were to go on a public elk hunt, you know, the private public. Well, look, go get us a yurt.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
If we did right now, me, you and Cam and Remy planned us a good DIY hunt. It's like, well, Joe, you're going to get the yurt. I'll go get the mountain house. Right. Cam's like, hey, man, I got plenty of mountain ops and whatever, and I'll bring some coffee. Can you imagine putting a yurt out in the middle of Idaho?
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
But I promise you, if we just dutched it, dutched it, we still got three or four grand apiece.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
And we're going out there to go hunt just in supplies and setups.
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#2248 - Michael Waddell
Like I said, you could either buy you a small farm in Kentucky or just get you a new bow. I mean, that's what it feels like these days, you know. But I tell you, it's absolutely so amazing that we get a chance to even do it and even get back to hunting. I tell people all the time, it's like, you know, I've always stood by the fact. You're a badass that you hunt.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Because this was infected and it was basically clogging up my sinuses and that was affecting the hearing. How did a mouth infection like that? It's very dangerous, isn't it? People have no idea how important oral health is. It's really, really critical. And also, I feel better because I'm not fighting infection continuously. That's crazy. How did it all start?
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#2273 - Adam Curry
They got all the payments. They've had that at Mar-a-Lago. They've been, you know, because I've heard this, that they've been going through it like, hey, there's no reconciliation. There's just a payment with no purchase order or no confirmation that the work was done. I think at this point, they're just sitting back going, you know, they can release more information whenever they want.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Department of Education is going to be next. You're going to see a lot of Common Core craziness. I mean, remember that Common Core? The Pentagon, I hope they do the State Department, too, because there's a lot going on there. It's going to be interesting to see what resistance... Well, the people who are squealing are the ones you want to pay attention to. Right.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Yeah, so they're squeezing them. They're squeezing them because they have it all. And thank God for James O'Keefe, too, man. He's done some interesting stuff over the years. He certainly has. It's amazing how many guys will open up when they think they're on a date with a hot chick or a hot guy, whichever one that happens to be, and like, oh, yeah, man, I'm doing all this. We don't care.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Bro. Well, there was an issue with- Season of reveal, Joe. Yeah.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Well, so FEMA paid $59 million for illegal entrance into our country. For them to stay at the Roosevelt Hotel, which is double the room rate. Have you ever stayed at the Roosevelt Hotel? I did way back in the day.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
That's right. And it was a dump. Everyone was smoking weed in their rooms. I mean, I was there maybe 10 years ago. 11 years ago, I stayed at the Roosevelt Hotel. It was falling apart a lot. It was very cheap, you know, right there on 42nd Street. So they were paying double the room rate. But this isn't just in the United States. This has been happening all over the world. Check this out.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
That's why there's also no reporting. Like, we're not going to bite the hand that feeds us. That's the real problem.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Go to Chicago. All the hotels on the Miracle Mile are all migrant hotels because it was super good money. Crazy. But that's everywhere in the world. That's the same in Europe. A big hotel change, like you can't get a hotel room because they've got migrants for double the price.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
I'm with President Trump that it's better, you know, when Helene happened, what happened there was really beautiful because everything fell down. Even the own, you know, North Carolina's, their own state government, no one really was doing anything. And it was funny enough for the first time I've ever seen ham operators actually be successful.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
But, you know, the helicopter guys were all going out there. Everybody was pitching in. People were driving from all different states to come in and help people. I mean, I don't have a helicopter anymore, but I literally called up the airfield. I said, fill them up. Here's my credit card. Fill that one. Just fill them up. Fill up until, you know, until this limit that I have. Fill up these.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
I know what it costs. You burn a lot of money in a helicopter. This is how America works. It really works well when we help each other out in all kinds of circumstances. And we've become so reliant on the government, so reliant that Uncle Sam is going to come in and save us. And it turns out they're not really efficient at it. They're not really good at it.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
A lot of money gets stuck and flows to other places. We've got to come back to... loving our neighbor and and knowing your neighbor how many people don't even know their neighbor anymore this is critical this is and I think you have this you know when when Clinton was president everything changed in America all of a sudden Oh, that's not sexual relations. Oh, you can do that to me, baby.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
That's not actually sex. You know, all these kinds of things that sets a tone. It sets a cultural tone. And Trump is setting a cultural tone of let's get this done. Let's let's stop getting ripped off by other people, by ourselves. And let's be successful together. And it's a short amount of time. So I hope that.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Well, that's just a term. It's not a constitutional... I know, but it's interesting.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Well, a lot of that was the economics. I have a friend, former New York banker, and he said, we always win as long as our population is growing. We will beat China long term because their population is declining. And he says that's why the borders are open is because you need – it's just like economics. You need more people, and with more people, your economy grows one way or the other.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Here's the thing that I hope, and I'm working to make this happen. So we have great podcasts. You know, your podcast, we can't, not everybody can be a Joe Rogan and we can't just all be looking at national news. What has happened at a local level is radio stations, they all got bought up. They're all consolidated. No one has local programming anymore.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
There's almost no local newspapers, even local television stations. They're all going away. Now is the time to create a podcast for your town, your burg, your city, your community.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
We don't need that. We need local voices. All the advertising locally has been slurped up by Facebook. That's where you advertise. I've started a local thing in Fredericksburg. And people really love it. Oh, wait a minute. There's something going on in Fredericksburg? And all they have is Fredericksburg rant and raves on a Facebook page. Well, you imagine what a mess that thing is. It's crazy.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
That's no good. Rants and raves. No, that's no good. And so I started a thing called Godcaster.fm. and it's tailored towards helping radio stations do this, but I think churches are content factories, and they're not just all talking about Jesus and God. They're doing stuff in the community. That's what churches used to do, and they're doing stuff at the high schools, and you got kids in there.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
I want 1,000 podcasts within a year all over America of local people, and it's so easy to do now. It's become so possible. And I think the local communities will even sponsor it. That's the next level. That's my phase two. That's the next level we have to get to is where people just get a microphone, talk to your city council person. You know, this is nuts.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
All it is is national news presented by heads on television. And who needs that nonsense? Right. You know, you're an exception and you're really important, but we need to have this at a local level. And it's never been a better, you want to start a podcast and be able to actually make a living out of it in your local community. I guarantee people will support it.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
I guarantee people will want to be a part of it. And I hope that that happens. That's what I'm dedicating myself to now. That's awesome. Getting these local, hyper-local podcasts.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Well, primaries, of course, are up to the party. It's not necessarily a constitutional thing, but that should tell the Democrat – people who vote Democrat and are part of – I've never been a part of a party. I'm not that interested. I vote for people. But that should tell them something like there's something bad going on here.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
They could have had a primary. What was it like in D.C. when you went for the inauguration? Was it just like show business for ugly people? There were a million people all over the place.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
I don't know what it is. Well, there are a lot of successful people in the world who have that, who can access that kind of cash. But wow.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
He was channeling MLK. He was just like going crazy. You were sitting maybe like five rows behind Hillary Clinton. Did you smell sulfur?
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#2273 - Adam Curry
He's larger than life, even though he's kind of frail now.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Do you think it was the real Biden or the Daddy Long Legs Biden? I think it was the real one. Okay.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
The mask things are real. I can tell you this from family experience. You can see them online.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
I mean, I say that we're in the season of reveal. I've been saying this for about a year now, and it's really happening real quick with what we're uncovering and starting to understand. I haven't seen your talk with Mike Benz.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Whoa. So imagine what they can do now. The stuff that that CIA lady shows on the YouTube video, I think that's just old. I mean, it's amazing. 67, that stuff already existed and worked. How come they couldn't get somebody Biden's height? You know, Tina says that too. I said, you know, they just didn't care at that point.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Just like they needed someone who had his cadence, which I think is harder to do to be kind of, you know, like that stumbling, bumbling.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Yeah. I hope not, but it's possible. Who knows? There's a lot of that going on. I mean, we've spotted throughout the years, Hillary Clinton had, I know she had a double. There was actually women who noticed it, like she's carrying her handbag on the other shoulder. It's like no woman switches that up. That never happens. And you look at her like, yeah, she does look a little different.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
But it's also, isn't that a mind fuck though? Because then you start looking at everybody like, that's not the real one. Are you Joe Rogan? Yeah. What happened? Who is it? It's pretty crazy stuff.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Well, I mean, holy moly. Have you ever seen the Kevin Kline movie? Right.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Exactly. Yeah. I mean, sure. I mean, this happens all the time, these things. Bizarre. Yeah. Who knows? But again, season of reveal. We're learning things. We won't learn everything, but we will become a lot wiser. I'm convinced of it. And I'm excited. I am 60 years old and super excited and very bullish on the future. particularly of the United States.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
And I'm seeing the influence we're having in Europe. I'm seeing it. People are like, we don't want this. And it's tougher for them. Like the UK, they don't really have a First Amendment like we do. So it's like, you hurt someone's feelings on Facebook, you're going to jail. I mean, so they got a lot of work to do. But, you know, I think Germany has a shot.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
You know, I think the Netherlands has Geert Wilders. France are really pushing back hard on Le Pen and And right wing people, Viktor Orban in Hungary. I mean, there's there's a there's at a certain point the people will just not take it anymore. And it could get ugly over there. But they people are people. I mean, we've had revolutions ourselves. We've been pretty good at it.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Of course, we got guns. That was a smart move, founders. Smart move. First and Second Amendment were both very important. The Second Amendment is there to protect the first, as far as I'm concerned. I am bullish. I really am. I'm excited, Joe. I am too. Good.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Thanks for starting this whole thing. No, brother. Thank you so much for what you do, brother. Thank you, Jamie. Appreciate you guys so much.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Really? Yeah, it's probably been discussed. Well, I think it's way too far beyond. And I think, you know, I look at Leave It to Beaver, I call her, who's the new press secretary. She's 27 years old. Oh, yeah. She's good, though. She's fantastic. She's younger than my daughter.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
I'm sorry. I'm sorry. That's how I remember her last name. All right. Caroline Leave It. I think it's Leave It. Thanks, Joe. Thanks. Thank you. So she...
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#2273 - Adam Curry
She does this whole list of USAID, which is very little money. And I think our president is very smart. He's showing us things that enables people like Mike Benz and you and I to have these conversations about, you know, because it's not ideological that USAID, which is not USAID. This is like one of these. One of these psyops right up top, like Federal Express is not owned by the government.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Federal Reserve is not owned by the government. USAID is the Agency for International Development, not aid. And we see on television, there goes another pallet onto the C-130. aid, U.S. aid from the American people. Oh, we're being nice. Yeah, we're being nice to people. We should be nice. We're the nice people of the world.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
But what these, and I'm sure Mike talked about this, you know, like LGBTQ, these dance parties and things, if you look at, I'm looking at these countries, like these are countries where we want to keep them away from Russia, overthrow the incumbents, and the way to garner support is to And I really love how they added the Q. That just became so clear to me all of a sudden.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
If you sponsor LGBTQ, these are outcasts. These are people who feel that they've been marginalized. Then you add a Q like, wait a minute, I can be queer. I'm different. I'm odd. You bring more people in. Then you can bring the anarchists in. You can get A. They have the A's in there. Oh, yeah, the A's. Which is so crazy.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
I had a bad start in life when I was two or three. We were living in Uganda, and my parents would put me to sleep with a chocolate cookie. So I had kind of a bad start, you know, and I had a lot of work. I had, you know, just tons of fillings on my baby teeth. Everything was messed up. Then I had the big outboard headgear, which really...
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Come to the party. You're allowed to the party. That's why it's so long now. And I saw this, you know, AFD in Germany. You know, this is the extreme right party. And they wanted, you know, to slow or remove immigration. And so now there was a protest against the AFD. You know, they're getting ready to vote now. And there's 100,000 people there. I'm like, wow.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
I thought, because I know people in Germany. I have friends in Germany. They really are sick and tired of this immigration stuff. So where are these people coming from? And in the news report, right up front, there's a dude in a blonde wig with eye shadow saying, we just want to get along. Can't we just be diverse? I'm like, that's the PSYOP. He's talking about himself.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
So he wants to feel included, which, by the way, in America, you can do whatever you want, call yourself whatever you want. People really don't have an issue with that. But they've just taken this and abused these people into their political agendas all over the world. And, of course, it sparked racism. Something here in the States.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
If you look, the Democrat Party, they're going to die on this hill. They're still like, oh, no, LGBTQ. They're taking away our rights because they know they can mobilize people to do that. And then you can throw in Palestine and all kinds of people.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
That's what they say. You get it within a couple years, you get it, and then all of a sudden, you got it. Yeah, I don't know what the fuck they are, but it's not bad.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
These people need hugs. They need love. They need love. I pray for them. The biggest way to psychologically manipulate people is, or there's three ways, old people, puppies, and children. And I followed this. It started around 2012, not coincidental when, you know about Smith-Mundt, the Smith-Mundt Act?
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#2273 - Adam Curry
traumatized me for life taking that to school you know it's like I was one of those guys oh yeah oh yeah it was bad and about um 10 years ago maybe a little bit more I went to the dentist here in in Austin and you know he's like you know we really got to start doing stuff we got to start looking at repairing and then this dentist started hitting on me and texting me and you know I'm like okay
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#2273 - Adam Curry
So that's you know, it was a law that was put in since the church commission. You can't propagandize the American people. Defense Department and others went to the government said, well, you know, like we're on the Internet now. We might accidentally, you know, push some propaganda on people. It started with bullying in schools. I know because John Dvorak and I, we followed it on no agenda.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Started with bullying. Then it was we needed anti-bullying laws. And we're literally going like, what happened to sticks and stones will break my bones or punch the bully in his nose. No, no, no. Then the teachers, and then we got hate speech laws, not actually laws, but hate speech punishments.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
And this kept building up until you guaranteed parents through the American Medical Association, the Pediatric Society, all of these different trade groups, that if you don't transition your child, that child will commit suicide. And that is a horrible thing that they've done. Think about these parents who may or may not one day wake up. and go, what have I done? What have I done?
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Like, no, no, no, no. And I knew that there was a Pandora's box in there. How wild is that?
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Well, the number one thing that happened around that time, of course, during Kennedy is we realized that television was a big force. Television and radio. Oh, yeah, they got that handsome guy. And if you listen to some of the debates, like... You know, it would sound on the radio like Nixon did better. I mean, it's amazing how this worked between radio and television.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
But then newspapers, we know the intelligence agencies were all writing stories. I mean, you look at CNN, you still see ex-CIA guy shows up. a little story. When I saw you sitting at the inauguration and I think I texted you, I'm like, dude, I can't believe it. I see you sitting there.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
You're like, I'm here with some buddies of mine, you know, sending a picture. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no. They're all shirtless and fucking wearing cowboy hats. Yeehaw. I'm not going back. I'm good. And then Tina and I, you know, we got together. We moved out to Fredericksburg. And she's real big on, you know, preventative anything. You know, her car has the oil, everything on time.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
You're texting me American flag emojis and stuff like, and you, you and, uh, and Trump, I'm like, Oh, look at him. He's in a tuxedo. And I thought, So in 1983, I was still a teenager, and I grew up in Amsterdam, socialist country. The airwaves were controlled by the government. It was horrible. It was almost like Russia. Your phone was a gray phone, and that was your phone.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
You couldn't get a different phone. It was illegal to unplug it from the wall. And I was doing pirate radio at a place called Radio Decibel in Amsterdam. You were Christian Slater. In a way. In a way.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
In a way. Oh, yeah. Yeah. What was that movie called? I don't know. Maybe it was called Pirate Radio? It was crazy. They were trying to arrest him. Remember? Well, so we all got arrested several times. And we were playing 12-inch imports from your Chicago warehouse.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Oh, they would always come and arrest us. How'd they find you? We literally had the station name on the door. People would come around. We'd be smoking weed or hanging out. We weren't making any money. We were basically paying to do it. We had this huge antenna on the roof.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
This guy's got a record. No, remind me to tell you my USAID story in a minute. So no, but this is 1983. And I felt it was so... First, I was a gawky, awkward kid. I got tics. I got the wrong hair. I got the wrong moped. Everything's wrong. But on the radio, people are like, wow. And I was doing it in English. You can do that in Amsterdam.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
People are like, wow, it's so cool you got that black guy on your station. I'm like, I'm black? Oh, cool. So I was John Holden, the 23-year-old black guy who drives a Harley. But the point was, it was liberating. I could speak my mind, and everything felt so stifling. Now we go forward, 1993. And I'm on MTV. I'm the hair of Generation X. I'm on Z100 in New York, number one station.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
And I'm also on the Internet. I'd set up MTV.com. It was very, very slim. We had dial-up modems at the time. And it was so restrictive. They let me do my own material, but they had censorship called a line producer. Like, oh, now we've got to burn that segment. You said something bad about Richard Marks. Oh, you said something that was off color about Madonna. Oh, we can't do that.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
The radio was the same. It was, you know, like read the liner card, you know, and then always end with Z100. And there was a guy at Sun Microsystems in San Francisco. And he said, Adam, I see what you're doing with MTV.com on the web. That's cool. I'm going to send you a computer. So he sends me this big SunSpark workstation. What year? 93. So this is pre-Windows 95. Yeah, it's pre-Windows.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
I had a Mac. No, I had an early Apple II. 3.1, that's what it was. Yeah, 3.1 and an Apple II. I was more Apple guy at the time. And so I hooked it up to my 56K mode. Dial in. He says, watch this. And I'm on the phone with him. He says, watch this. And up on my screen pops a little player. And he's streaming in PC. We didn't have MP3s back then. PCM, pulse code modulation, nine-inch nails.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Everything's all set. And her teeth, of course, are impeccable. That sounds like a good fit for you. Totally. You need an organized lady. I had a credit score of 350. Oh, no. I didn't have a credit card. I was just cash. I didn't care. I had cash flow. Everything's good. I don't care. She straightened me out. Oh, yeah. Oh, big time.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
I'm like... This is broadcasting. I'm going to figure out how we use this thing for broadcasting because think about how we can use this outside of all the systems. And so 2003, now we're 10 years later, I've been very involved with RSS feeds and blogs. And I see my first iPod and it's like, snap, crackle, pop. hold on a second, this is amazing. We can combine, this is a radio.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
This is not a music device, it's radio. So I cobbled together this program that basically takes this RSS feed and then puts a program onto, so the show was an album and then each track was an episode number. And then I immediately started doing a show. I start, what I do is just try to get people involved. That's how Daily Source Code started because I was trying to get software developers in.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
And then two years later, three years later, Steve Jobs is having a private conversation with me about putting this into the iPod and making it official, making a podcasting thing in iTunes. And I'm like, this is so perfect because now you have this RSS feed, which you control. No one else can control what you do with your RSS feed. And anybody can slurp that up and subscribe to your radio show.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
And then 20 years later... I see the President of the United States wrapping up his campaign with Joe Rogan on a podcast, completely being himself, being a dude for, by the way, props for you sticking to your guns. I love that you did that. Now it's got to be here. No restrictions on time. Well, he didn't impose any.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
But he understands it, but at that moment, then I see you sitting there, I'm like, We just broke the elite messaging machine. Phase one complete. All because of you, dog. No, no. You, dog. You, dog, man. All glory to God. I think I was just used.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
You were the first. I was just a vessel. It makes sense to me now.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
I was giving gifts. And you stuck with your gifts. And I know you're a very generous guy. I know you help a lot of people with all, not monetary necessarily, but just helping them, getting them on their feet. Even Parker, I'm like, can I bring this kid? He's a big fan. You're like, absolutely, bring him in. You're a gracious guy.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
And so when you get whatever word it is to build a comedy club, you did.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Which is what America used to be. I think it still is. I think it is. It's been covered up. It's been papered over by media, basically. That's why I'm so happy that we've broken through that elite messaging system. The way I was raised is in America, you can look at the guy with the Rolls Royce or the Cadillac or whatever and go, I want that and you can be that.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
And we've kind of devolved into a, you know, it's international now, into a victim mentality. There's good and evil.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
But instead, we see a thousand followers and likes on someone blasting somebody in a funny way in a video. This is a big part of the problem.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Talking shit is important. You are a professional, Joe. You're a professional.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
You start off talking shit. We can't all be a comedian or a comic. We just can't.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
She kept me I was the height of my show business fame MTV She kept me out of trouble. I I did not I did not purchase a good mommy. She was a good And she's a good mom to our daughter, you know, so for sure.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Oh, this is the center of the universe now for comedy. It is. It's amazing. It's amazing. It's amazing.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
I just got to tell you. No, no, no. God loves you, Joe. He is at work in you. He's all over you and has been that way for a long, long time. There's no doubt in my mind.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
You'll accept it. Yeah, that's it. I accept it and I listen and I go with it.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Exactly what I'm seeing. I'm seeing that with everybody. That's why I started in 1983. I'm like, I see where the path was. I've always been doing this stuff.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
It was costing you money probably on bandwidth and stuff.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Yeah, so then, you know, I went through it. Yeah, it was like, and that's also when I stopped smoking, you know, because Maverick called me up. He said, hey, man. I'm going to be operating on you in a week. Could you do me a favor and stop putting fire in your mouth? And I've been smoking weed and tobacco since I was 15. And I quit at that moment.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
You know, he's a ham radio guy, Joe Walsh. Is he really? He takes his rig out on the – he doesn't go out on the road that much anymore. When he's out on the road, he has this huge ham radio rig, and that's like – I've been a ham for a long time. And that's like the – if you have a – we call it a QSL, QSO. That's ham code for a conversation. Oh, okay. With Joe Walsh. Oh, man. There it is.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Close, close. Boom, boom, boom. Oh, all right. That's all we can do. That's all? Yeah, we get in trouble. Get in trouble. Get in trouble.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Probably. Fucking nonsense. You're screwed. Because here we have all these podcasts. There's four and a half million podcasts, really only 400,000 update regularly. So it's not even that much. And that's global. Dave. Oh, how dare you.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
We can't play music in podcasts because of all these different entities that own it. And so if you perform something on the radio or in a live stream, that's a performance right, which the club plays for that too if you're playing in music. So that's ASCAP BMI. Then you have the publishing right. Now, because you download a podcast, well, all of a sudden now you've made a copy of it.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
So that's another group over here. So you have the publishers, then the record companies. And they just could never agree, and they've locked themselves in so tight that the biggest opportunity for music would be to play it on podcasts. They've painted themselves into a corner. And we all know now that most artists, you get 10,000 streams on Spotify, and you get a penny after a couple of years.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Oh, I'm sure it's horrendous. He got a thousand bucks. Billions of streams and he got a check for 45 grand. And Taylor Swift gets all the rest of the money. I mean, it's very odd.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Like if you own your music, it's different. If you're the publisher. I don't want to get too deep into Spotify and all that, but people are starting to move away from that and what I call the value for value model. We actually built this with Podcasting 2.0 where you can send a boost. Like, I want to send some money to this person straight from the app.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
I haven't... I mean, I vape like a crazy horse, but... Well, that's not good, is it? Well, that's a question.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
So you can play a song in the podcast as long as they've agreed to the license. They own all their stuff. You can send the money. We just did Suzanne Santa. I invited you to that. Yeah, I couldn't make it, unfortunately. All I had to say is I invited Joe. That was all I needed to say.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
And, you know, we had six people on stage, six different bands, and they all made between six and eight hundred dollars coming just from from out there. There was maybe 50 at the end of the night, maybe 50 people left. It's a Monday night. But they were all making more money than they had ever made on any other platform in their life.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Yeah, she and Nick are great. And their baby is super cute. Yes, adorable. Adorable. It's so cool to see her mom. I love it.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Well, that's because the publishers are getting all of that. Right, exactly.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Yeah, but I still feel that... Someone's making money. Well, we know the publishers are making one. People say the record companies, but it's the publishers.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Thank you. I was in my garage the other day, and I put my wall of fame in the garage. I'm like, time to move this out of the house. Like, I'm old enough now. And I'm looking at, like, there's a platinum record with a cassette, with a platinum cassette on it. Whoa. Do people even remember these days when you got a platinum record with a cassette on it?
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#2273 - Adam Curry
That guy is awesome. He's the best. Jelly Roll is... I love him to death. What a story.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
He's such a nice guy. And he's a big crossover artist. You know, the Christians love him. The country guys love him. The rock and rollers love him. It's like he's the perfect, perfect crossover artist. If I were an evil record executive, he's the perfect... He's a perfect crossover artist, Joe. We need to sign him. That's what I'd be doing.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Just goes to show. Yeah. You can't tell a book by its cover. No, you cannot. Ever. Ever, ever, ever. So... Anyway, back to that, it's just a shame that we've, you know, the music industry has moved it into this protectionist place. And it's, I mean, even if you have a spin studio, you know, the Gestapo comes around like, you know, you've got more than 75 people a day here. You need to pay us more.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
And, you know, they're very litigious. The whole thing is just a mess. It's a mess. Yeah.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Yeah, it's right by your sinuses. And so that, you know, everything's connected. You know, if you hold your nose, you can hear, you hear differently. So whatever it was doing and literally just a couple of days after he extracted, though he extracted more than that, but after he extracted those teeth. It just came back.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Although it's become easier to do your music at home. I mean, I remember going to the Hit Factory in New York and hanging out, watching... People record records. That was amazing with the big machines and lots of people running around.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Yeah, he was at the club the other day, too. Oh, really? We were all hanging out.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
West Virginia. Okay, yeah, West Virginia, that makes sense.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
And God bless him because he stayed away from the system. Yeah, we had a phone call.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
I was an MTV man. I wasn't paying attention to any of that stuff.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
And I didn't have horrible hearing loss, but it was enough where I was sick of saying, I'm sorry, darling. What'd you say? I'm sorry. And at the moment you get to like, I didn't hear her. I'll ask her later. That's when I went, no, I got to get hearing aids. I don't want to. I don't. And it's one of the biggest reasons men get depressed is when they can't hear and they kind of withdraw.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Which is the funniest thing because when I got there in 87, VJs were expendable. They're like, you're expendable. Shut up. Now, they couldn't because they brought me over from Europe and had a two-year contract. I think the first year was $150,000. The second year was $175,000. And I got a car service. And I could do radio, any radio I wanted to do.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
And a lot of the people, not they, but a lot of the people at the office really disliked me because they'd be like, cut your hair. I'm like, no, I'm not going to cut my hair.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
New creative direction for the channel. I'm like, no. And, you know, I had different lengths of hair throughout the years. That's the 80s, man. That hair was gold.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Like probably a lot of the ladies. Well, you know what Merv Griffin always said? What did he say? Merv Griffin always said, people with big heads are successful on television. That's why he had Pat Sajak and, of course, Jay Leno. Jay Leno. Big heads. Right. I don't have a big head. So I had big hair. So I had a big head. Exactly. The formula worked.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
No, no. What is that about? No, that works on YouTube now, but on television. Does it work on YouTube? He's got a tiny head. I think anybody can be successful on YouTube. Right. I mean, it's all kinds of.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
That guy has – I mean, so I don't – people say he's a creator. I think he's a creation. He is a creation of YouTube and how it works. You don't have this because you're so established, but – They, his team, and he's talked about this, micromanage every second of each video, every cut, every, the poster images, all these things. And it's all about time spent viewing.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
If one video does a minute 38 and the other one does 140, that other video is more successful. I mean, it's really, in order to like hook the algos, get everything rolling, you have to bring that down to a science. And of course, This is not for you and I, I don't think. You have to always keep feeding the machine. You've got to keep feeding it, feeding it, feeding it.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
You have to make your life a part of your YouTube channel. Otherwise, you drop off very quickly.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
And it's it's really. Yeah. Oh, it's a real crisis. Yeah. Anyone you need to go. If you think – just have your ears tested anyway. Why not? I mean you get your eyes tested, get your ears tested, get your teeth taken care of.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
He was great. I mean, I'm like... For me, he's always Mad Max. When I was a kid, we'd play hooky from school. We'd go back and somewhat have a VHS. No, I had a Betamax. You had a Betamax.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
And we're watching Mad Max and then Diana Ross in the round. Diana Ross is around. We love Diana Ross. You're like, oh, she's so awesome. But the Mad Max, man, that original, and he's standing there with his boots in the desert at the beginning. Great fucking movie. He had a bunch of bangers. But he's an interesting guy. And that blower on top of the engine.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
I mean, the whole thing was just, we just loved that. That was a fun movie. And then later Lethal Weapon. And I didn't realize, because I'd seen The Passion. Which is, you know, as a Jesus freak myself, that was like, whoa, that was a heavy movie to watch. And when he said it, I didn't realize it. The whole thing was in Aramaic.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
And it was the subtitles that you were basically reading the subtitles. And his theory that it penetrates you differently, the story, I think is so spot on. I think so, too.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
It's a great movie. That guy has a calling, man. He's doing amazing. And talent. And he fought the system. He really, really fought the system so hard.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
No. Because it seems like now you should get in the medical books. Thank you. Actually, he's been writing a paper on this for this very reason. And it's only because he did the 360 MRI that he saw it. And he also knew what to look for. It's his expertise. When I met this guy, I was like – he's young. He's like in his 30s. I'm like –
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Yes. Well, and so you have smaller studios now like Angel Studios there in Utah. And they crowdfunded The Chosen, which is the story of Jesus. And it's, I mean, unbelievable. They're in their fifth season now, completely outside the studio system, completely away from it. And it's all crowdfunding.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
At the end of the season, the credits are like 15 minutes of everybody who donated and everybody who donated, you know, X amount. They get to be extras on the set. I mean, it's a whole new way of looking at producing stuff. Interesting. Yeah. Then, of course, they went on to do an apocalyptic movie called Homestead, which is a dog. It's so horrible. It's like, oh, what is this?
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#2273 - Adam Curry
I mean, it's a bad movie. Oh, bad acting. Is it bad enough to watch it? No, no. Tina and I were watching. We're like, do we bail? No. Ten more minutes. Do we bail? No, no. It's going to happen. It's like, no, no. It's too bad. I mean, just like it's hard to make a good movie.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
I saw him in L.A. when I was there for about a year. I was like, you see him like tracksuit. Tracksuits are comfortable.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
A weirdo. I become a hoodie guy, much to my wife's chagrin. She's like, you know, I got friends of mine saying, hey, Fetterman. I'm like, really? Fetterman wore a hoodie to the fucking inauguration. That was a little wild. I mean, the hoodie was one thing, but the shorts, I'm like, what? Well, you know, that's Fetterman, I guess.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Yeah, but you wore a tuxedo. Dude, you wore a button down for the president being in your studio. I was impressed by that.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
so why did you choose this profession he says i like operating i really love doing that stuff i'm like okay you sound cool he turns out he's a pilot you know so we've become friends um but yeah he he says people have no idea and so he has been working on a paper to publish about this very thing it's just not no i talked about on the podcast and people from all over the world like Really, man?
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#2273 - Adam Curry
I get it. I get it. I mean, it was so interesting where, you know, you've talked about the Harris campaign and all the stuff that they were saying. And, you know, it's like, well, we talked to his people. I'm like.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
I was trying to figure out how to do that. That would have been great. That would have been fantastic.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
But that's it. That's where we broke the elite messaging system. We broke it because they could not put her into the new system. They couldn't because they knew that she would fall down.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
That's why I wore this hoodie, Iron Sharpens Iron. That's what you are, brother. You bring people in. Iron sharpens iron, so a friend sharpens a friend. You're always, you know, I come here, I come here because I want to learn from Joe. I want my iron to be sharpened by Joe. You do that with everybody who's there.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
She kept going into prosecutorial mode, the same with the so-called debate with Trump. She was prosecuting him. So she has a switch that she just flips. And she becomes an authority. Whereas our president, you know, he's kind of him all the time. They're eating the dogs. I think that won him the election, too. That was awesome. I mean, that's one of my favorite jingles of all time.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
They're eating the dogs. They're eating the cats. Are you kidding me? That's fantastic.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
You know, I've been having hearing issues. Get an MRI. Get a 360 MRI of your head.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Well, they're crying out for help is what they're doing. They're crying out for help. They've been psyoped. I mean I'm only on X. I gave up Facebook and Instagram. I'm not interested. And X I really only use as kind of an inbox. People will send me stuff and things for the show.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
But early on when Blue Cry was still a secret project within Twitter that Jack Dorsey was running, I knew some people who were in that secret project. And so I have an account. And I went on there the other day. I'm like, oh, my Lord, this is horrible. These people are spinning up and spinning out and just going nuts with each other. And I was like, I don't know how we have to figure out a way.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
And, you know, President Trump says success will bring us together. I think that's probably true. But, you know, we can't just... And I'm a little worried that we're all going to be stomping on them. You know, it's like, ah, look at these stupid libs looking, you know, they're idiots, they're crazy. And I just feel that, you know, you got to love them and not hate them.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
You don't have to forget what they've done or what they've said, but they have been abused by multiple entities and systems within our own government and political organizations. Right.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Allergies. So I thought for 10 years I had the Austin allergy. For 10 years. It was so bad. I'd go out to dinner. Even when we moved out to Fredericksburg, we'd come into Austin. I thought it was Austin. Seriously, I was like, Austin has given me this.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Well, that's the same with COVID. You know, I know many people who either lost their job or were forced to take something they didn't want to take. And they they will never forgive them. Like, I won't forget now. Forgiving is not the same as forgetting, obviously. But they can't bring themselves to forgive those who were caught up in a massive psychological operation.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
And they're held in their own prison of anger. And it's with their own family members. I mean, that... It's almost like, did that happen? That just went, we're now back. What are we doing? All these things have gone so fast. We, you know, we had an attempt on a president's life and it's like, we don't know anything.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
And all the, what, what, what just, I mean, we're like, our heads are on a swivel spinning around. Like what is going on? And I think. And the drones. What about the drones? So the drone thing, for me, it was so odd. First of all, there's a base over there, and they're testing some drone technology. But people in the United States, but really around the world, this is how we go through life.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
We go through life looking down. I'm a pilot. I fly helicopters, airplanes. I'm looking up at the sky all the time. There's a lot going on. There's a lot happening in the sky. What have you seen? All kinds of things, Joe. What have you seen? I've seen the Starlink satellites go over my house.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
It's like, whoa. And, you know, like eight or nine in a row, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop. And they go fast, too. Very fast. And they seem pretty low, actually. They're only like 60 miles up. And, of course, once it becomes a story, then every... I know all these people with drones are like... Dude, I'm going to get in the news. I'm flying my drone. They got six foot diameter drones flying around.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Of course. I mean, aliens and Chinese drones, they always want to have their red and green anti-collision lights on. It's important. I was like, no, no. And of course, there was some actual legislation that they wanted to pass, which happened that same week. which was to get Chinese drones out of America, the DJI drones. They don't want them. They passed that the same week that this was going on?
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Dude, same week. Oh, my God. Same week. That's why they PSYOPed all of these local people. Oh, my God.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
These motherfuckers. Yeah, they wanted the DJI drones no longer to come in, but really for law enforcement to also have local authority over drones, which they didn't have, and now they're going to have that as well, so they can say, hey, you with the drone down, we're doing something important here. Right. So it's always to remove your freedom, trust me. Right. Yeah, that was the same time.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
And all I had to do, I looked at this and like, okay, I'm trained myself. Like, let's go take a look. What's going on? Oh, that's interesting, isn't it? Look at this legislation.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
I mean, you need that for our skies, obviously. Oh, 100%.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
They got a social credit card system and no freedom. I talk to a lot of guys who do- our audience who just got people in every you know we've trained them your producers you know something about one particular topic you have an obligation to let us know so we have all these guys drone for hobbies drones for law enforcement drones for news and they all said you know
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#2273 - Adam Curry
These DJI drones, they're so much better than the U.S. drones. They're just better. They got better stuff, better technology, better cameras. So they're like, I don't want to lose this. And I guess they will.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Yeah, I've seen them fall out and hit people. Well, you've got to crack a few eggs if you want to make an omelet, Adam Kerr. I hear you. I'm glad I don't go to drone shows for this very reason.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
reason joe i'm careful i'm yeah that's probably like those air shows where they fly jets around like i'm not gonna be on the ground no i don't go to those that's why i like um starlink because starlink is really first and foremost a military system and and very smartly i think elon is very good at at marketing it's like let's give this to the people you know so that's
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#2273 - Adam Curry
I mean, I have it as a backup at home. I have fiber, but I have a Starlink. Of course I want to have this. But it's really a military system.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Yeah, the to-go, the little to-go thing. It's incredible.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
I know, I know. We used to dream of, I think I had databelt.com at one point. I dreamt about, wouldn't it be great if we all have these satellites and they're circling around and we call it the data belt and we'd have all this stuff and all these things. I can just see the delight of, and of course a lot of, SpaceX, these are very sophisticated NASA people. The best of the best is in there.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
I think he knows how to hire the right people. But he's smart at how he markets that. He really is.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
No. We do it on Signal, so I do that from my computer. Okay.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
But it's like T9? No, no, there's actually... So I still have my Graphene OS, which is the de-Googled stuff. And that? No, you can't put that on here. So this is Android, but all I really have on here is text messaging, RCS. Can I see it? Yeah. So I'm still a green bubble.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Literally two days if I don't charge. It keeps going. Oh, yeah. It's no problem.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Yeah, yeah. If you text, it pops up. Now, the whole thing is it's hard to use. And that's why I like it because I don't want – it's a trap.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
That's hilarious. This is hilarious. So in a pinch, I can bring up a web page. In a pinch, I can bring up my email.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Yeah. So I'm hindering myself so that I'm not enslaved to it. And actually, I hear from from our daughters, you know, that there's a lot of kids who are doing this now because they want to be more present.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Look, emojis for my wife. See, you just hit that, and then up pops the keyboard. But you can also swipe, so you can just swipe around.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
My wife will be like, what's going on? Yeah, it's probably auto-completing. This is terrible. Yeah, I have it in swipe mode. Yeah. So just swipe along the letters. I don't know how to do that.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
It's, it's not easy. And, uh, but I, you know, it's like, I just need to, I like talking to people now too. Like it's, it's a great phone for talking to people.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
No. Well, I could put it on there. It won't work. But, you know, you talk to someone like, eh, satisfying. Yeah, that is satisfying. And look, it has little alerts if I get a text message so I can see.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Our dinner reservations got changed. You'll get it. Yeah. You know, Dvorak, my partner on No Agenda, he literally has a phone in his drawer. and he never takes it out, he has decided, no, I don't use navigation. He lives in San Francisco. He wants to keep his mind sharp by driving around.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
He says, whenever I need a phone, I just turn around to someone and say, hey, man, can I use your phone for a second? There's always someone with a phone, he says. So if I really needed to look something up, I just ask him for it and it's good to go. You know, you get the feeling that you need this thing, but you really don't. Well, you definitely don't if you have a laptop.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
I have filtering and all kinds of stuff. There's like people who will email me 15 times a day. Okay. Well, the thing is, of those 15 messages, there's one gem in there.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
4,500 messages. No, from that one guy. Oh, yeah. 15 a day. But I put him in his own email box. Oh, I see. And so then, you know, like when I'm prepping for the show, like no, no, no, no. I can just see. Right. Maybe. Maybe.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
So I'm a real, that's a, I'm a real information manager. That's by the way, I am not a big believer in the benefits of AI at this moment. But if it can fix my email, then I'll believe it. And so far, no one's done that with email.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
It should know what I want to see and what's relevant to me based upon, how about the transcript of my show? Or, I mean, all these wonderful inputs I can give it. How come it can't do that? No one has fixed email for me. When you do that, then I'll be a little more of a believer in AI. Right now, I think it's a great parlor trick. I think it's keeping the stock market afloat.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
We've gone through three AI winters. He even has his own wiki page, AI Winter. It comes and goes. At a certain point, LISP was the programming language, and then that went away, and then funding dries up. And now it's like, what? We don't really need $100 million to build a model? Oh, but wait a minute. They stole that from you so you can copy. I run... these models at home on my own computer.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
I run the Llama model, which is meta. They've open sourced it. I've run the French one, whatever their frog model, whatever they call it. And then DeepSeq, you can also just load that on your own computer. And it's not very impressive. I mean, it's just not. The error rate is too high. So I'm skeptical of it really taking off. And I certainly don't think it's sentient or anything of that kind.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
You know, we've been waiting for quantum computers to actually work for 30 years, and it's always 10 years away, and right now it's 10 years away.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
One, I'm not an expert in this, but there was one computation they did, and that may be a computation it could do. It's not necessary that you can give it any computation.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
You're not buying it. No, not at all. Really? Not for a second.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
For a number of reasons. One is, I'm not using it. I am the techno guy. I've always been early in computers, early in the internet, and I just can't find a use for it. When I find a use, it does some simple things. It's very good at language. Honestly, If I was like, okay, here's my situation. I'm looking for Bible scripture. It'll come up with something good.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
And then I can say, and read it to me like a Baptist pastor. And they'll go, hey, brother. He'll do all that stuff. But okay, it has all of the translations of the Bible in it. And so it can predict reasonably what scripture will work. It's usually not all that great. It can do term papers. We're in a position now where people are putting their resume into ChatGPT, sending it off.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Thousands of people are sending off for a job. And the other end, the people are taking that resume, putting it in ChatGPT and saying, please summarize this resume. I mean, that's insane. It's like, what are we doing here? That doesn't make any sense. If it can fix my email, they'll be very impressed. That's all I want. That's all I ask for. Your email is a particular puzzle, though.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
That's the thing. Everyone's email is a puzzle. It's like the spammers get around stuff, and they figure it out, and you say, report a spam, and then it comes back in a different way. And how many older people, especially, but even people our age... Who gets scammed by, you know, these emails that look pretty convincing.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
And then the minute you click, you know, then you're like, oh, I should put my password in. And then you're gone. You're done. There's a phone scam going around right now, which is unbelievable. They had me going for 15 minutes. I got a call. It was 8 o'clock in the morning, right at 8 o'clock. And I'm about to walk the dog, so I press the voicemail. I come back. I listen.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
This is the sheriff from Travis County. And it had a 512 number. And, you know, I need to talk to you urgently. I'm like, okay, this is kind of messed up. I call back. I get someone. Oh, I want Sheriff so-and-so. Yeah, hold on a second. We'll transfer you. I'm hearing, you know, like... police radio chatter in the background. The guy gets on and he's saying, well, you were an expert witness.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
You were called to be an expert witness in a case. I just happened to, and maybe this is not coincidence, I was asked to testify on someone's behalf in a case. And so you were supposed to be an expert witness in this case. You didn't show up. So, you know, you've basically broken federal law and, you know, we have to come and pick you up and we have to, you know, or you can pay a fine.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
And then I'm like, Okay. And it just kept on going. And I'm like, whoa, hold on a sec. It sounded so real. And then at a certain point, he's like, well, you need to get a coupon to send this money. I'm like, I'm going to call my lawyer. You can't call your lawyer. I have a do not hang up order. I have to walk you through the whole process. I'm like, okay, now I got it.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
But that was 10, 15 minutes later. And a lot of people have fallen for this one. It's good.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
No, I mean, these were American voices. It sounded like a sheriff. It really did. And the deputy sounded like a deputy. I mean, it was sophisticated. It's good. Wow.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Like $3,000 for this infraction and $2,000 for that infraction, you know, for these two different things.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
I mean, at that point, I caught on. I'm like, no, hold on a second.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
I said, I'm going to call my lawyer. And he's like, no, no. I'm like, you can't tell me I can't call my lawyer. This is bull crap. And I had to calm down. I said to Tina, listen to what just happened to me. This is crazy. Some people I know in Fredericksburg actually went all the way.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Yeah. Older people, you know, and they were afraid. They're like, oh, of course, authority.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
And I saw what you were doing, looking at that porn site. And I've recorded everything. And I'm going to release it all to your friends and on your social media. If you don't send me $2,000 in Bitcoin right away, don't even think about contacting the authorities. Have you ever gotten that one? They've sophisticated it even more now. They'll use your name and your address.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Like, I know you live at this address. It's freaky, man. So that kind of stuff would be nice if we could have AI protect us from that. Yeah. If it can do all these wonderful things, focus on that. Help people. Save people now.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Those are more meme coins. Shit coins, right? Isn't that what a meme coin is? So the only coin I believe in is Bitcoin. We've talked about this before. In fact, I looked it up, hoping you would bring it up. Two years ago when I was here the last time, Bitcoin was around $40,000. Today it's close to $100,000. This will continue to go up until we're long gone.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
So I don't believe in shit coins at all because if you have – Bitcoin has no CEO. There's no one in charge of it. It's literally tens of thousands of people around the world who run these nodes that make it open and make it run and keep it at this 21 million coin limit.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
So you bring this up in context of scams because they are scams. It's trouble. So if I wanted to make a quick amount of money, I'd have a shit coin and have my bots ready. And I'd say, hey, Joe, have you heard about my curry coin? And you'd be like, no, wait a minute. And it would come out and it would skyrocket. My bots would sell it. I would make a lot of money and it would be dumped right away.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
It's a scam over and over and over again. But what if you don't sell it?
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Bad idea, bad idea. Is it a bad idea? Yeah. A lot of charities now, they will accept Bitcoin. And why is that good? Because people who have Bitcoin, and I have some Bitcoin. I've been saving my Bitcoin for a long time. Instead of selling it, to which I then have to pay capital gains over the difference between what I bought it for and sold it at, I can give it to the charity.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
I can still take my tax-deductible write-off. They can do one of two things. They can convert it right away into dollars, no capital gains because it's the same minute. So I've actually been able to give more than I would have or they can sell some of it and hold some of it for a longer term. I really, really believe in Bitcoin and what we're seeing now, there is something interesting going on.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Our dollar is in big, big trouble. And President Trump knows this. This falls into kind of the tariffs talk. Have you heard about stable coins? No. Okay. Do you mind if I just give you a little? Go ahead. Our monetary system, it really started after World War II, 1944. We were nearing the end of the war. D-Day was coming or maybe it just happened. We're getting pretty close.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
And Europe in particular was very worried that after the war they would fall into the same Great Depression that happened after World War I when we had the Great Depression. So they brought in all the economists and all the money and people got on the Queen Mary and went to the states to Bretton Woods. You've heard of Bretton Woods probably? No. The Bretton Woods system? Okay.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
So Bretton Woods is just this resort. They all got together and they decided that they would have a new monetary system for the entire world. I'm not an economist, but I've looked at this long enough to understand it. And when they came out after two weeks, he said, OK, we're going to have this thing called the International Monetary Fund, the IMF.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
And they're going to manage the interest rates or they manage the currency exchange between all the individual countries with the U.S. dollar as the reserve currency. So we became the money of the world and we back it by gold. And the idea was one dollar could always be exchanged for 35 ounces of gold. And, you know, when you're the reserve currency, everyone has to have the dollar.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
We'd go out to dinner, start eating, and then my nose, my eyes, everything just – and I'd have to always excuse myself, always have to have tissues in my back pocket. Then I got my teeth done, which we talked about, I think, the last time I was here. And Maverick, my periodontist, he did one of these 360 MRIs. He says, you know, ma'am, you've got some low-level infection here.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
So everybody wanted our dollar. What did we do? We signed the Marshall Plan. We sent tens, you know, just billions of dollars over. All our companies went into Europe, started building factories. And, you know, so the dollar kept going in. All these other currencies kind of came a little bit weaker because we were so strong with our money. And then people got a little worried about the dollar.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
They looked around and went like, hey, do you guys have the gold to back that up in Fort Knox? Of course we didn't because we just kept printing money and sending it over. And then you get into this thing called the Triffin dilemma. And that means that when you are the reserve currency. your currency is basically overvalued and you can't export anything.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
And that's exactly, and I'm skipping over a lot, but that's where we are today. Our products are too expensive to ship to China and sell in China because of the value of our dollar. This is why President Trump is saying, All our money is flowing out towards you. We need to get some of that back. So we're going to raise tariffs. I think it's a short term solution. So I think two things will happen.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
One is we have this sovereign wealth fund, which you've heard him talk about the sovereign wealth fund. So in that will be the value of our public land that the government owns and all kinds of other things will be valued at this astronomical amount. And in that will also be the strategic Bitcoin reserve that the president promised. Now we get stable coins.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
This is a crazy, crazy thing that's happened. So a stable coin is a digital dollar. It's pegged to the dollar, so it's always a dollar. And you can pay with this through the internet, through apps and everything. It's already being used all over the world. The only reason it's worth a dollar is because the stablecoin company that creates it, they have debt and paper to back it up.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
So they buy America's debt. They get treasury bonds or T-bills, which actually pays a dividend. So you get interest on that. And for each dollar they have bought in treasuries, they can create a stablecoin. So if you look at the company Tether, they have bought more of the United States debt than most countries. They have $160 billion worth of US debt.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
And for each of those dollars, they've created a stable coin, which now people can use all over the world transacting. And what's their business? There's like 50 people in the company. So they have $160 billion at 4% interest annually. They're making bank just for holding this debt.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
So I think President Trump is very smart and he's seen that we can flood the world with our stable coin and you kind of get a two for one. So you... You create a dollar of debt, but then you create another dollar on top that can be used all over the world as the reserve currency.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
And that should probably result in, I don't know, the Mar-a-Lago Accord or some new monetary system that we're going to have to come up with to really have our dollar be valued properly but also still remain stable. the reserve currency and remain the strong export country that we need to be because, you know, what do we do? We don't make anything that we sell abroad.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
You know, we can't all be, you know, serving each other burgers and fries and washing each other's cars and cleaning each other's homes. We have to build something. And all of that went overseas. Everything. Everything we got. All of the stuff on this table. This, you know, it didn't come out of his butt. This is from China. Yeah. Although, I don't know.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
So there's something big coming, really big, and it has to happen. And Trump is a very meta guy. People misunderstand. He's going to refi the country. He's a real estate guy. He's going to figure out a way to refi it, and it'll be digital. And a lot of the Bitcoiners don't like this because they like Bitcoin to be the money that the whole world uses.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
That may one day happen, but now it's more like the digital gold. You can keep your value in it and I can send a billion dollars. If I had it, I could send a billion dollars to another country, to another person in 10 minutes and no one can stop me. So it's a very useful tool, but it hasn't quite turned out to be money or currency the way it was originally intended.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
But it's going to be a very important part of it. I think you'll see Bitcoin be a part of that strategic reserve. It's easier than sending gold, you know, than, oh, I'm going to ship you a billion dollars worth of gold. I need, you know, armored cars. I need dudes, everything. security and the ships and whatever. So it'll be a part of it and you'll still be able to use it between people.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
But it looks to me like stablecoin and Tether in particular is going to be the future of the US dollar. payments and this is where a lot of people on the right certainly are very afraid of control grid you know because a stable coin is not necessary like Bitcoin you can stop it you can control it you can see who sent what to whom and There's a lot of fear about this.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
And particularly, although I don't see any maliciousness, this fear that Elon and the PayPal mafia and Peter Thiel, all guys you've met, all guys you've had on the show, I think are actually quite nice people. That they're going to bring in the new with AI and we're all going to be locked in and, you know, Stargate will bring cancer mRNA vaccines that will be mandated.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
I mean, people are spinning up over this stuff. And I'm not saying that they're necessarily wrong or there should be no concern, but we are moving towards a digital dollar and it will have aspects of control, which is why I like the backup of Bitcoin so I can still transact and do things without anybody being able to stop it. And you're going to get none of that with a shit coin. Nothing.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Well, an established... Anything but Bitcoin has someone who can change the ledger, who can change the blockchain. Bitcoin, you can't do that. It's a beautiful system. The checks and balances are... immutable. That's the beauty of Bitcoin. Any other blockchain that is owned or operated by a company or people can be and will be manipulated. FTX was one of those.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
This is stupid. I went to dinner at Mitch's house. I call him. I'm a little upset. No, it's okay because we're sitting down. It's my wife, his wife. He has one of those houses right on the airport where this plane rolls out of the garage, out of the hangar. Oh, he's out of touch. Exactly. I paid for that. I paid for that hanger. And we're sitting down, and we're having a good time.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
What I believe FTX was really used for was slush fund into Democrat Party and politicians. Not just, also to some Republicans as well. That kid, that Sam Bankman Freed, he got abused by his parents, I think. I'm just alleging this. I don't want to get sued over it. But when you see what was going on there and the money that was just being slushed right through into different foundations.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Big time. They had nonprofits and all kinds of- And he was the number two donor to the Democratic Party. That's right. Which is crazy. That's right.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
I mean, it was sad for these kids because they were just all excited and doing stuff. I mean, I've raised money from Kleiner Perkins and Sequoia Capital. And when you get them all googly gaga over, oh, this guy was so cool. He was sitting in the pitch meeting and he was playing a video game. He's such a genius. I mean, what? Are you kidding me? Right.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Venture capital investors are not necessarily the most sophisticated.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
I was just reading about Elizabeth Holmes. Oh, yeah. I love that story. She got screwed. She got screwed? Oh, yeah. How so? Well, okay. So she was in a situation where the so-called smartest investors in the world, which included Colin Powell, and everyone was in on this deal. Everyone's like, you got to get your money in now. Bring everybody in. We got this big fund. This is going to be it.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
This is the blood test. It'll change medicine. And they hyped her up. They put her in the magazines. She was looking like the female Steve Jobs, and she got caught up in it. And And falsify.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Yes. But does she deserve to go to jail for 10 years for ripping off people who were stupid?
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#2273 - Adam Curry
It's a civil crime and there's definitely some blame on the investors, but the investors were too big to... To look stupid. So I think they pushed a little bit more on her than she does I'm not trying to defend her at all. Yeah, but not for ten years Couple days. Yeah, just a couple days.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Yeah, just just enough to transition Joe Yeah, just enough to come and become a dude and then we're good to go. No, I mean the It's just another example of big money being stupid. And maybe they could just admit that. You know, like, they pushed her. I know how it goes. I remember we had Podshow, which was, you know, a lot of sophisticated investors, Kleiner and... and Sequoia, same people, Elon.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
I met Elon when they launched Tesla. I was at the hangar where they did the first test drives. It was interesting. And I was like, this guy seems like on the spectrum. He's not really talking much. What's going on here? You know, it's like, what's happening with this? And, you know, so we were doing podcasting. So this is right after maybe a year after Steve Jobs put it into iTunes and the iPod.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
We're talking about stuff. He says, so what do you think about Florida? I said, it should not be in the water. He's like, you're wrong. And this is only a couple of years ago. And now he's come back, and he said, oh, man. Did he apologize? Yeah, of course. This was drilled into my head. Yeah. What I understand is fluoride is a byproduct of aluminum production.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
And so there was money coming in. And, you know, the first thing they said is you've got to be in San Francisco. Well, if you want a media company, where's the last place you want to be in San Francisco? You need to be L.A. or New York. No, no, no. You got to be here.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
So they could come and see the office and check out the operation and make sure their money's being spent well. And how often are they going to visit? Oh, you have no idea. They're always dropping by and like, what's going on? And so you're doing reports and they just want to hang out with the cool guy. Yeah, well, that too, maybe. But then, you know, it was definitely a struggle.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
We were actually kind of profitable for a bit there, but it was, you know, like GoDaddy ads with promo codes, you know, Code Bongino. I mean, it was like, you know, it was like, yeah, are people really listening? Are they just using the codes? And there's always a lot of scams. Like the honey scam? Yeah. Well, no, not like that. No, there's there's scams of, you know, when companies need to.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
We didn't do this, but when companies need to raise more money in Silicon Valley, then they'll buy some traffic from bots. And I'm sure it happens on with comedy videos to be like, I need some traffic on this video. Let me buy some bots. And so you definitely can do that. Right. Right. Of course. Yeah. But then at a certain point.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
YouTube had come out, you know, and, oh, YouTube, everyone has to do video now. You gotta do video, you can't do audio, gotta do video. And then it got even worse, like we sat in a board meeting and like, have you seen Juiced? Juiced, Juiced. I'm like, do you remember Juiced? J-O-O-S-T. Oh, yeah. It was the guys who built Skype.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
They built this video platform that was basically a peer to peer streaming television shows. And there was no doubt about it. You've got to go video. Be more like juice. Make your interface like juice. So at a certain point, you're like, well, what am I going to do? Am I going to risk running out of money? Am I going to listen to what they say? Do they really know what they're talking about?
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#2273 - Adam Curry
And ultimately, the company ran for 10 years and no one exited. It just kind of got folded into other things. So it was not a great investment of their money or my time, honestly.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Oh, they're the big, they're not even counted in the streaming data, in the streaming wars. But yeah, they're the big, I have YouTube TV. I don't, I cut the cable. I don't watch, I don't have cable anymore. It's like, I'm just.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
It took them a long time, I think, to make that profitable inside of Google because if you see how many videos are being uploaded daily and transformed – into digital video. And I mean, it's crazy the amount of computation that goes into YouTube and the amount of bandwidth that is being sent. So I think it took a long time. They never really reported the numbers.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
They've only done that in the past couple of years with how much revenue. Now, of course, YouTube is making bank. I mean, it's really, it's an incredible system.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
It would take too much money. It's so much investment that goes into doing that. It's a lot. I mean, you remember your bandwidth cost back in the day pre-Spotify. How do you solve that when you have 100 million videos being posted every single day? Yeah, you can't. I mean, it's insane.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
And a lot of this, you know, they had this fluoride waste product, basically, they needed to get rid of. And from what I understand, it was Alcoa. I could be wrong, but I think it was Alcoa who made these deals. And who knows how they set that up with the American Dental Association. And that's how fluoride got into our water. And we got this kind of psyop of it's good for you.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Was it Katzenberg? Katzenberg and- I do not remember. It was a Hollywood thing. It was Quibi. It was a Hollywood thing. I think it was Quibi, Jamie.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Short drama. Yeah. And they put $2 billion in and- Yeah.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
No, you can't. And that's kind of like TikTok. We talked about TikTok last time I think I was here. And, you know, obviously it's not an issue now that China is spying through TikTok because it's still here. I think, as I told you then, I think it's because they were eating Silicon Valley's lunch, you know, doing... $4 billion taking away revenue from them.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
And just looking at the people who sponsored the bill, it seemed like they had a lot of donations from Google and Amazon. That just seemed to me like there might be some issues there. But what people misunderstand about TikTok is it's not just about the videos and the format and how it flies by. It's about the shop. The shop is their magic sauce.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
If you look at the back end, the influencers who get paid on TikTok, they have this whole back end with rankings and who sold more stuff. Half the videos on TikTok, once you get out of your algo, half of them are about products. And people are just selling products. And it's all from China. And it's all been coming in under the $800 de minimis tax regulation.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
So there's no import duty or anything paid on it. They actually have, I think, Timu now has warehouses in America. So it's just Chinese crap that we're buying over and over again. It's wildly successful. It's not really about the ads. Do you get ads on TikTok, a lot of ads? I don't use TikTok. Okay, good. So when it was going to go away, I'm like, I got to get this app. I got to see what happens.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
I was like, this is going to be crazy. So I get the app, and I'm using my Graphene OS phone, so I can lock off all access. All it had was my location. Can't hide that from the IP address and my name.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, and you can actually block it from accessing your contacts.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Well, that was my experimental thing. And so all it knew was Adam Curry in the Hill Country. And I think it went, Curry, black name, Hill Country. It was probably about 50 churches where he is. Boom, right away, I'm getting black preachers, Hellstone, Brimfield. Oh, yeah. And it's just like, and on and on and on. It's been phenomenal. And some of these guys are pretty good.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
The ones that fall back, you know, it's like, and the guy catches them every single time. And so their algorithm is just give that person more of what they want. They're not, they're not trying to do like us, like in like, you know, meta or I'm not sure about X, how that works, but. Let me inject some people who are against it or have a counter argument.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
I knew it was wrong in 2000. And there was a book that came out called Legacy of Ashes. It was written by a guy called Tim Weiner. It used to be New York Times. And it was all about the CIA. And it's a great book because my uncle was in it many times, Donald Gregg. He's still with us. He's 95 or 96. And he was really high up in the CIA. He was part of OSS back in the day.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Like when I was on the last time and I talked about my coming to Jesus, dude, there were TikTok videos with millions of views of just this one bit. And if you looked at it one time, you get the same over and over again. You get all kinds of Jesus stuff back and forth. That's all. Not anyone go on. Yeah, you guys are crazy. You know, this is no good. None of that. So it's a very friendly.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
It's kind of the Chinese model. It's like give people what they want and don't try to interject them or spin them up or get them angry and then throw an ad in their face when they're all emotional. So it's very different. It's very different. I don't know if it'll be worth anything to anyone buying it unless you have the shop portion. Without that, I don't know.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
You've got to have the products. You've got to have the cheap Chinese products. That's the problem. Do you have that stuff?
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Yeah. It's fun for us. different crazy people. I mean, Dvorak uses it all the time. He's in an algo of just nut jobs. He's like, blue hair, look at this. He plays clips on the show. I'm like, dude, you got to do something else with your life during the day.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
So I heard the same thing. I heard people saying, dude, you're wrong. They want to get rid of TikTok because that's where MAGA lives. I'm like, huh? And then it was...
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Exactly. Exactly. So it's just it's just it's very social media. The Internet in general was kind of a bad idea. It's kind of hurt. It's good for many things, but it's two sides of the same coin. It's good and bad. I mean, why would you say it's a bad idea, though?
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Because of the PSYOPs. If we're not aware of the PSYOPs, you know, the DARPA, the Defense Agency Research Project. Agency. Agency. I had too many agencies in there, DARPA. Since the 70s, they've been looking at social networks and really in the – there's a guy – He came up with the law of large numbers.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
And they figured out that in a computer network, regardless of the content, depending on if you have enough nodes, you can predict where the information will flow. So if I'm talking about something here, if they... boost the right nodes, they can predict where that information will go. And that's how, I don't think even Elon can stop that from happening. It's not an algorithm thing.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
It's literally like a law of nature thing that just, that's the way it will flow. And you can start injecting things to the right nodes and you'll propagate some message. And I mean, I think it's happening all the time everywhere. I mean, once you start looking, it's like, well, where's that coming from?
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#2273 - Adam Curry
And in it, it talks about how the agents would go in, fluoridate the enemy's camp water so they could go in at night and they could, they were docile, and they could pull them out and they could kind of attack them. And I said, Uncle Don, is this true? He says, yeah, pretty much how I remember it. I'm like... Well, of course. So the neurotoxin has been used in actual warfare in the water.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
But you need parental guidance, and most of the parents are hooked on it themselves.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Do you get those videos when you're interested in a topic and then there'll be like five different videos that are being suggested to you and about five minutes in you're like, this is just an AI voice that's cobbled a whole bunch of old things together and it's a new version of it and I'm not learning anything? Yeah, there's a lot of that.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
This, by the way, lots of people love restored things. People love restored cars. We love, you have, I think, do you still have your car? Which one? The Corvette? Oh, yeah. Beautifully restored, just peak. Last time I saw it, which was, I think, in LA. This is what I think the president is doing. He's trying to restore us back to being that great American muscle car.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
And I think people, everybody loves a beautiful, restored muscle car. You know what I mean?
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#2273 - Adam Curry
No, no, I'm good. I'm good. Mommy tells you what to do. No, no, no. She's like, that's a douchebag car. Yeah, for me, it would be kind of douchey. Why? It's awesome.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
That's silly. Ever since I started flying 350 miles an hour, I don't care about how fast they go on the ground, Joe. It's not even how fast you go.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
How big is your dog? 95 pounds. What is he? She is a great Pyrenees Akbosh rescue mutt. Oh, that's cute. Completely white. I didn't mean to misgender your dog. Yeah, she's very angry.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
It's an amazing automobile. A friend of mine, he just, because he's a real American car nut. Real American hero. He just bought a Tesla Model 3. Look at that. And he bought it for the autopilot. He says, I wish this came in 16-cylinder, you know, multi-turbo. Oh, yeah. But he says the autopilot, he just loves that. He loves the autopilot.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Can't do that anymore in these modern cars, man. It doesn't work anymore. We used to put Porsche engines into VW buses back in the day. Oh, Jesus. That was awesome. You can fit it in a Beetle, too. You can fit a Porsche engine into a Bug.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
they take beetles and their volkswagen their volkswagen remember how many there were in the 70s coming in from germany we all had a i had a 1303 i loved my beetle it was when i was a kid my friend jimmy had one he had a he had a beetle it was just cheap on gas it was easy to drive Mine was like I had to jump start it because the lock had broken.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Jump started every time you got in, and then I'd lost my gas cap, and so I just had a rag in there. Oh, God. And if I went around the highway to the right, and if my tank was too full, then gas would leak out, and my front tire would start to slide off. Oh, Jesus. Back in, you know, 18, you know, just like, eh, I got to drive this thing. It was great. I loved it. That was a good.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
We weren't scrolling on TikTok Joe Rogan. We were doing dangerous stuff. That's true. We were jumpstarting our cars.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Well, you're a big part of a change, certainly, in young men. I mean, I've seen so many young men who follow you and follow your workout regime and listen to you. They listen to you about what you're saying about health, about food. And you're an important voice in that regard. You've really, really helped a lot of young men in our country and far beyond.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
I mean, I know you don't take compliments like this well, but it's very important what you're doing. Well, I'm very happy if that's true. Very, very important what you're doing.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
You know, ever since I got saved and become a believer, I've really learned about our American history, and I've been blown away by how much... Because a lot of, you know, you talk about the 60s and when they outlawed psychedelic drugs and put it on schedule one. That was the exact same time when the Bible was basically taken out of school.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
And it was, you know, and I think the church in general, you know, kind of went into itself and kind of, you know, became a thing you do over there on Sundays. Can we pause real quick? You got to pee?
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Yeah, yeah. It's like brass knuckles almost. Yeah. Like holding a roll of pennies.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
That's why I carry my gun. That's probably better. That's the battery. This is heavy. So when I gave up, I've always- Can I take a pull of this? Yeah, yeah. How do you do it?
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Tobacco-ish. Tobacco-ish? Yes, tobacco, basically. So- That was a little hit. Yeah. You take a big one, right? Let it warm up a little bit. Press the button and then there you go.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Oh, you don't want those. This is organic juice. It's got 0.3% nicotine. I wind my own coil made out of silver. The cotton is American-made cotton, not from China. No, I've got into this.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
So the cotton sucks up the juice, and then the coil warms up.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
No, the cotton has the juice in it, and then when the coil warms up, it creates the vapor from the juice that's in it.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
No, no, no. The juice is inside. It's in the tank, yeah. It has little wires in there, so it crawls up.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
So I really got into this. There was a store in Fredericksburg called Vaporlicious. They've retired now. They've retired. Jerry and Kathy. And they're two old hippies. Why do they make it so unwieldy? Well, you can get all kinds of different versions, but I'm a serious user. So I need this whole battery. I have a whole kit with me, man. I got a screwdriver to open this up.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
You don't know what's in there. there this is this is glycol which is it's essentially the same stuff that's in the theatrical mist machines okay only much water down and and all it does is just produce vapor and so what is vapor well it's mainly water and of course you're mixing it with nicotine and nicotine you know that's that's the piece that i've always liked about smoking um
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#2273 - Adam Curry
But now I don't get the tar. I don't get all other contaminants. And I also don't get high. I stop. I kind of stop. I used to smoke a lot of weed. I stopped. It's just I haven't felt like doing it anymore. Like a glass of wine. But no. And so this, I do have gorilla grip on it. It's like everywhere I go, I'm like, where's my vape?
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#2273 - Adam Curry
It's really that simple. As a kid, did you get those trays at the dentist? Do you remember those? What are the trays? It would be, they'd say, we're going to do fluoride treatment on you. Oh, yeah, they did that. And it was like, it's fruity. Yeah. And this gunk would be dripping back in your throat, and you're gagging with this horrible, it's like, that's not Hawaiian punch.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
So I'm fully aware I'm addicted to more the... the motion of it because, oh, I mean, I would roll up, you know, I could roll them with one hand behind my back if I'm doing it so long. So a real spliff with tobacco, with weed, and then it will go out and I put it down and I come up, pick it up again.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
At a certain point, it was like three in the morning, I'd wake up like, I think I'll go roll a joint, you know, smoke a whole spliff, go back to bed. I mean, it got to be a little, I was smoking a lot, you know, and without it, I'm very productive, Joe. Yeah. Isn't that crazy? I got to tell you, I'm super productive. I'm doing all kinds of things.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Well, nicotine is very good for productivity, as is caffeine. Well, those are my two drugs, caffeine and nicotine. I kind of dig it. I really do. It's nice. They're very good for productivity. Is there any bad stuff? I mean, I know it constricts your blood flow in your mouth and in other parts probably. I mean, obviously you're putting something in your stream. So I don't know.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Like, I'm okay on the plane. I can fly to Europe. I'm like, you know, I'm okay. I don't need to vape.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
You know, this is a very bad idea. You do not want to be caught vaping on the plane. Oh, really? Yeah. Of course.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
I don't know. Can you blow it right into the toilet? You can do what they call zero vape, which is basically you inhale and you just hold it in until nothing comes out. Oh, wow. Yeah. Or, you know, I've done one of these, like... And they go under your jacket. Yeah, I know. I've seen people do that at the movie theater and stuff. But that is not approved behavior, so I do not condone that.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
You know, it's okay. I can handle not vaping for eight hours or whatever.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Who knows? What's in the oil. Who knows? Who knows? That's maybe what killed some people early on in COVID. You know, it might have been bad. A lot of THC, of course, these pre-made cartridges. You just don't know what's in it. It's like, no, don't vape that stuff. Do not vape the pre-made things. I mean- This is fun. You get to learn how to do it. It's manufacturing.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
You know, it's you get into I can really get into it. Like I got this this diameter silver wire and five, you know, you do five, five loops or six loops for different impedance. Oh, yeah. There's a whole I mean, this tank, you know, this thing is like you try different. I have must have 18 different vapes that I've tried. Like this is the one.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
And that could be responsible for a whole bunch of stuff. Now, I'd had hearing aids for five years. So when he did the initial extraction, I think I took one or two shows off. And then I went back in the studio, put my headphones on. I'm like, whoa, I thought I'd hit something, you know, a volume knob or something. Came back. Your hearing came back.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
It's too much. This is okay. I mean, it's all right. And then this thing.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Yeah. Yeah, because you could still do everything just not being tracked. And so I used to go to bed. We go to bed at the same time. We always watch some stupid – like we're in season seven of Seinfeld right now. So we'll watch a half hour of stupidity. And then we go to bed. And I used to be on my phone. you know, for half an hour scrolling stuff or whatever. And then, you know, okay, I'm tired.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Yeah, because my brain has been working overtime on whatever inputs I'm giving it. And now I'm like, well, there's nothing to scroll. So I just go to bed and I'm out in three seconds. I'm like, I sleep and I sleep all the way through and I wake up in the morning. I'm refreshed. I feel good. I don't look at social media the first hour I'm up.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
I mean, I do Bible readings and stuff and devotionals and my text, a buddy of mine. And I'm ready, man.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Oh, that's a game. However... Of course, when you do that, Google is basically keeping your transcript. There's a company in Austin called Futow. Wait a minute. So if you just text, it doesn't keep your transcript? Oh, I'm sure it does. I'm not sure how much of that it does, but when you speak into it, it goes to the Google servers.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
The Google server then transcribes it and sends it back to your phone. It's not happening on the phone. It's happening on Google servers, and they probably keep all of that or my voice or whatever. There's a company in Austin called Futo, F-U-T-O, and they have an open source voice-to-text system that don't keep your transcripts. And they're some good guys. I've been messing with that.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
It's not quite as fast as Google. And will that work on that phone? Yeah, you can install it. Yeah, just as an extra keyboard.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Yeah, so who knows what Apple's doing with that? You don't know. Sending it right to China, all the memes.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
I don't know. It's all right. It's okay. So I went to Boston. You lived in Boston, didn't you? So we went to go see the Doobie Brothers. When was this? Last year.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Yes. And it was wild. It was in Massachusetts. It was one of these amphitheaters that's half covered. We were the youngest people there. And people were sparking weed. You could smell the whole place. They're like 80-year-old dudes smoking doobies. It was amazing. And the Doobie Brothers play, and it was like, what this... It was... The first 45 minutes is... them do it.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
This is from our album from five years ago. Dude, we want China Grove, you know, give us Long Train Runnin'. So eventually they get into that, but then they would, like Michael McDonald, What a Fool Believes, you know, I love that song. He would do it syncopically, like, instead of doing the song, like we all remember it, he'd do, what a fool believes, like, no, no, don't do that.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
It was really disappointing, but The opening act was Steve Winwood. Steve Winwood's now almost 80 years old. And I get goosebumps just thinking about it. He railed. He wailed. He did, you know, Mr. Fantasy from Traffic? Sure. Three quarters of that song is guitar solo. And he's just like, and the crowd is going nuts. And he has all these young kids with him.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
And you see the close-up on the screens and they're like, Look at what he's doing. It was amazing. I bring it up because the next day, did you go right out to Plymouth? Did I go to Plymouth? Massachusetts? Plymouth Rock? Right. So Plymouth Rock is kind of disappointing because it's a rock. It's just a rock. And there's a structure around it. And like, OK, you know, it's a rock.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
We have it in the hill country. The water is definitely naturally fluoridated.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
And there's a little sign next to it that says, we don't know that this was really the rock. But some guy in church who was 90 years old at the time said, yeah, I think this was the rock. So that's the rock. You were talking about the Georgia Guidestones a few episodes ago with somebody. Did you know that we have an actual Guidestone in America in Plymouth? No.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
It's called the Monument to the Forefathers. I'd never heard of this. It's about two blocks in. And it's, I think, arguably the largest granite structure in America, certainly, but maybe in the world. It was completed in 1890. And it is the Guidestone of America. How do I not know about this? No one knows about this. Check it out. The thing is huge.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
And it's literally in a cul-de-sac, a residential area. Really? How old is that? It was completed in 1890 after 50 years of building it.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
And so this is the formula for America. This is where I was going before our pee break. The formula for America. So they constructed this so that if we ever lost our way... We could find our way back. You know, when they talk about America was built on Christian values, like, what does that mean? What does that even mean? Christian values?
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#2273 - Adam Curry
I mean, even the word Christian is like that was actually a slur back in the day that they came up with for Jesus believers. So in the middle is faith. That's her name, faith. And it's four sides. And one is law. education, morality, and liberty, and has all these cool inscriptions. It's really something amazing to see. And I believe that's the formula that we need to get back.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
You actually, you live like this. Joe Rogan lives these four sides. You live, you understand law, morality, education, and liberty. And if we can get back to that, you know, that would be just, in fact, so all of our early presidents were, All of them live by the Bible, every single one of them. They wrote about it. They studied it.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
1778, one of the first acts of Congress was to print a Bible for everybody. So I brought you – this is done by a group called the Wall Builders. And David Barton, he has all – these are the receipts. So it's a Bible, but it has – Three quarters of that book is writings by our early presidents all the way up through Reagan. And this David Barton guy, he has all of these originals.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
I think he lives in Aledo, Texas. And it shows you... what our code was in the early days up until the sixties and that's when you know we've got this big argument about all we can have you know you know the whole light the first amendment is the right to establish over religion
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#2273 - Adam Curry
And that has been perverted throughout the years to say, well, you can't have the Bible in schools and the government can't tell you to do this and you can't be talking about... The Hall of Congress used to be a church. I mean, that's how we started. And you don't have to necessarily be a believer or saved by Jesus just to understand where we came from and the basic tenets of law were...
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#2273 - Adam Curry
where those guys created it from. The receipts are in the Declaration of Independence. Our Bill of Rights, our amendments, our rights, not that the government gives us. They all say the government shall not infringe. The government may not do this. It's what the government could not do because we had rights given to us by our creator.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
And I think if we got back to a little bit of that in America... We might get a bit more on path, which is why certainly all the Jesus freaks are like, President Trump is talking about God. He says God saved him to save America. I mean, a president is a big deal when he does stuff like that. And you can see, just look at the people around us, Russell Brand, Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
I mean, there's a lot of people who are now starting to see this. And I know you love history. That's why I bought that for you. Because when you see where it comes from, a lot of things start to be clear. And that sculpture, that was like, I had no idea it was there. I'd never heard of it. It's not in any books. But it's kind of a template for where we came from.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
And I think it's kind of important that we look at that as well as all the other things that we're looking at now with AI and social media. And we can't just be sitting around for four years going, yeah, Trump, yeah, Elon, stomp the libs. We've got to find some spirituality one way or the other. It doesn't have to be God. I would like it to be. But people got to find that.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
I believe it. I think that's true. I believe it. Absolutely. And it's very simple things.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Yeah, it's very simple things. You know, the Ten Commandments aren't that hard. You know, it's like that's your law. If you believe that government, I mean, government is an extension of God if you believe that he instates governments. And I think that God gave us Joe Biden for four years. Ha ha. I really do. He said, y'all got to take a look. He has humor, too, by the way.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Like, you should take a look. And there's a story, I think it's Daniel, about King Nebuchadnezzar. And King Nebuchadnezzar, he did not follow God's law. And so God turned him into a donkey, basically. And he was out grazing for seven years, eating grass. I'm like, that sounds a lot like President Biden. That he just turned him into a grass-eating donkey who had nothing left, you know?
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#2273 - Adam Curry
But also, look at President Trump. I mean, can you take a more wrong guy in the auspices and the opinion of presidential and everything? And he learned a lot during his first term. I mean, this was a turnaround of epic proportion. Epic proportion. What's the biggest political comeback in the history of the world? It'll be in the history books. This show will be a part of that.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
It's going to be incredibly important for us to look back on this because... It's often the misfits. That's who we've got to love the most. So when I see the blue-haired people, I'm like, I really want to love them. They probably wouldn't understand it.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
It's the petrochemical industry. That's where all our medicines come from. I was watching the Grammys. Why?
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#2273 - Adam Curry
But you're right. It's been rewarded. Rewarded. And it's been rewarded by political operations, mainly to get votes and to bring. These people have a vote, too.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Do you know John Perkins? Yes. Have you ever had him on? No, I have not. Oh, man. Because he wrote about this. Economic hits. Yeah. Confession of Economic Hitman. Wow. I mean, basically, USAID, that's what they do, but also State Department. So, you know, Marco Rubio seems like a good guy. I'm kind of liking him, but they've got intelligence units inside there.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
I know. Well, I usually watch for the Satan segment. I would say, oh, there it is. There's the Illuminati.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
There's all kinds of things that happen with State Department. So I hope that also gets uncovered.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
They didn't have one. That's crazy. Beautiful women in nice dresses and everything. Trump is president. They're a little nervous. Oh, no. Presidents are important for the culture. It's very important for the Satan people. They're in trouble. They're in trouble. Jesus is making a comeback, man. They're in trouble there.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
And I love that Doge is – I was skeptical because we heard this during the Reagan administration. Reagan wasn't going to do all this. He was going to make government efficient, and of course it didn't. When I hear that they're going to do the same thing to the military, amen, man. Well, they have to be accountable to an audit. Yes. They haven't done one ever.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
It's going to get wild. As I'm sure Mike told you, and I can't wait to see it, it's not just fraud. It is the actual system. Instead of us being open, and I think like Trump is doing, like, hey, we're just going to have tariffs on you. NATO, you don't like it. Boom, we're not going to protect you. You know, we got to be fair about this. You can't just be ripping us off.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
We've been doing all these subversive things with money that's just going to NGOs and nonprofits. I mean, the whole Ukraine thing.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Did he play the Victoria Nuland recorded phone call? No, he didn't. That's my favorite.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Right, right. And son of a bitch. Well, Victoria Nuland in 2014. The Russians, I think, they recorded a phone call, and she's literally talking to the ambassador. Okay, we want to put this guy in the government, that guy in the government, this guy in Senate. Klitsch, leave him outside. He can be the mayor or whatever. I mean, that's not cool.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
We have some stuff to repent for when all this comes out, and we should pick ourselves up and move forward and just be honest. I think we can do it with a lot of honesty, too. I hope so.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
He needs prayers. He needs some prayers. I'm sure he needs that. We'll cover him.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
And thank you for giving him that platform. And thank you for giving Trump a platform and all the things you've done. But the people, when they think of CIA and, you know, these types of agencies, they always think, you know, dart guns and, you know, secret stuff. But no, it's really...
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#2273 - Adam Curry
subversive writing articles and my whole family kind of comes from military and intelligence background so I've heard you know what I learned this is crazy so my uncle was big in the CIA he was he was the nationals he was basically Tulsi Gabbard to Bush senior when he was VP and then you know like Iran Contra happened and you know he basically became ambassador to Korea and
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#2273 - Adam Curry
A place that doesn't have a basement, by the way. We're reliably informed. And I hadn't really watched network television a lot, and there's a lot of commercial breaks, but the first 10 all had a pharmaceutical product which I'd never heard of, a name I can't remember, and side effects literally included death. I'm like, what is going on with this? And like, ask your doctor.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
He was exonerated, but he was moved out to a different post. My aunt passed away a couple years back. And when my cousin was doing her eulogy, she said, Aunt Meg actually outranked Uncle Don in the CIA. She ran the Russia desk, spoke fluent Russian. but had promised never to tell anybody, not even her own kids. I'm like, what?
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Aunt Meg spoke fluent Russian and ran the Russia desk for the CIA and outranked Uncle Don? That's some crazy stuff. Crazy. And all those folks, you know, they remember Russia as the real, real bad guys. I mean, I went to this is my own USAID story. So in 1988, I think it was we had the Moscow Music Peace Festival. Do you remember that?
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#2273 - Adam Curry
um and this is before the wall came down and it was i was the only mtv person who went we went on a 727 from newark it was ozzy osbourne uh basically black sabbath it was bon jovi motley crew skid row we stopped in germany to pick up the scorpions what was that flight like dude Dude, dude, you'll love this.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
They were filming things even back then. So the reason this happened was- Look at you. Yeah. Yeah, there you go. Tico Torres from Bon Jovi. I mean, so Doc McGee, who was the manager of Bon Jovi and Motley Crue, his- I'm paraphrasing the story, but I'm pretty sure it's correct.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Look at Sharon. Look at Sharon. She's like a- A kid. And like a British house frow, nice roly-poly. No O-face for her. O-face? Oh, Ozempic. Ozempic, yeah. Look at Ozzy. So Doc McGee's Learjet had been caught smuggling in like, you know, bales of marijuana into Florida. And his get out of jail free card was he was supposed to organize an anti-drug and alcohol concert in Moscow. Right.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
So this is where I'm pretty sure USAID came into it and the CIA. And so this was supposed to be a complete drug free, alcohol free. We're all going to go there. We're going to do a huge one night concert. We're there for a week. On the plane, Ozzy is so drunk. He's so drunk. So we're in the back there and he's at the laboratory mid-plane. And someone else is in there. And he's like...
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Cher, Cher, Cher. And she'd go, oh, Ozzy. And he pees his pants right there in the aisle. Like, holy crap. Ozzy peed his pants. Cher, it's so good. This was a wild trip. And I got a briefing beforehand by some dudes in suits. This is 88, so I wasn't really thinking USAID, CIA. And they're like, here's the deal. You're going to be there. Do not talk to any women. Don't go to any hookers.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
I'm like, do I have this? Should I have this? Do I want this? I mean, is this going on with me? And people are all happy in the commercials. They're like, look, my skin looks good and I'm happy and I have a beautiful family. It's almost like we used to sell cars. Now they're just selling the pharmaceuticals.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Do not take any hookers to your room. They're all going to be KGB. And you don't want any part of this. Our people are going to be watching you. KGB hookers. KGB hookers. We actually did go to the hooker boat, which was pretty wild. There was a boat? Yeah, they had a prostitute boat. The ugliest hookers in the world is like, no one's going to... Pirates. We all kind of went to go check them out.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
We're in the hotel. This is Soviet Union still. They literally turned on the heat in that part of the city. It was winter. And the mattresses were made of straw, and you had to bribe the lady for a phone call. You'd reserve it 24 hours in advance. You have to give her tuna fish and toilet paper rolls. It was wild. Wow. Middle of the night. I'm with Sebastian Bach from Skid Row. We're outside.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
We go to Red Square. We're drinking vodka on Red Square at three in the morning. Walk back to the hotel. There's the Moscow Hell's Angel show up. And they're on like these Yugoslav motorcycles and they're popping wheelies and falling off. And we're like, what's going on? Then this this Russian official comes up with the really big hats.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
And he's like, tap, tap, tap on the back of one of the merch trucks. And all he wanted was T-shirts. And so he gave them a whole bunch of T-shirts. Everybody leaves. Crazy. So we have this concert. And the kids, they went nuts. Of all the bands, Bon Jovi, Motley Crue, Ozzy. They all knew Ozzy. They were all singing phonetically. They didn't know the words.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
But the crazy train kind of came out of their mouth. And what was... Look at this. Yeah, it was insane. You can see all the... Can you give me some volume? There's some military in front, I think. There it is. Look at that.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
So here's the kicker. The Scorpions had a number one hit, Winds of Change. The winds of change. You don't remember the song. And it was the only song they did not write. And that song was the anthem when the wall came down, which happened literally. Oh, here you go.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
A huge banger. And here's the funniest part. So when the wall comes down, this is number one. Like, you know, it was 1990. And I think, I can't remember, I think they might have been phonetically singing along with it in Lennon Stadium when we were there, because it was a number one hit. It was everywhere, this song.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Okay, yeah, okay. I told you I don't have it all right. But... But the CIA wrote it. The CIA wrote it. They probably had it in the archives.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
The funniest thing was, so huge in Europe at the time was Baywatch. Sure. Have you ever had Hasselhoff on? No. There's a funny guy. This guy is easy. He was on Fear Factor. He did Celebrity Fear Factor.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
I mean, I've met him a couple times. He had to go to the bathroom a lot at the time, but whatever. MTV Beach House, his manager would be like, David, I think you need to go to the bathroom to get some energy.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Anyway. But so, you know, the story of Baywatch is phenomenal because he self-financed it. Nobody wanted it in America. And it became this monstrous global hit everywhere except America in the beginning. And, you know, he became wildly successful, rich. And Germany is where it was number one. It was just for years number one Baywatch.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
And so Hasselhoff, or as they say, der Hoff is, hallo Deutschland, here's the Hoff. Everyone knew him. He was standing on top of the wall with a sledgehammer and he claims that he brought down the Berlin Wall.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
He's bringing down the wall. What is he singing? He was a pop star, right? He had these disco hits. He had these poppy hits. And freedom, baby. I did it. And he's got his glittering jacket on and everything. Awesome. American icon, ladies and gentlemen. That's not even glittery. That's an LED jacket.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
It's lit up. And of course, we loved him from Knight Rider. He was a cool dude. We all wanted a kit watch, which we now have, of course. He was huge overseas, right? That's it. It was because of Baywatch, and he had a whole music career going on. Oh, yeah. Oh, man. Good times in the old days, bro. Good times. We had so much fun back in the early days.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Like, how much of this is... But, you know, in the 60s when the agents were infiltrating Europe, it was all literature, art, music. They were bringing everything they could, art especially. And that was really at the time to make sure that... Weird scenes inside the canyon. To make sure that the Russians didn't take over Europe. There's all these things that they were doing.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
That's why we're all questioning you, Joe Rogan. What USAID connections do you have? I think I skipped the system. I think somehow or another they fucked up. Look at me. My whole family's intelligence and military. I was a pirate radio guy in 1983. They must have been like, this guy's lost. We can't use him. He'll be no good.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
What I think we'll see, you know, the first thing after the election is, We need a Joe Rogan on the left. We need a Joe Rogan. Well, you know, guys, you basically had a Joe Rogan on the left, but you were so crazy that Joe started to think right.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
I think what we'll see, though, is, and it may come from YouTube, we'll probably see them try to hype someone up to become the Joe Rogan of the left.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Well, you have figures who people see as authority because they have a million followers and likes and then they'll believe that. And it typically doesn't work. I mean, it's like, do you remember?
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#2273 - Adam Curry
But when you see Rachel Maddow, who has come back for the first hundred days, she's doing a show every single day, and she's blatantly lying. I mean, literally, factually, clearly lying. A lot of people won't watch anything. They've been told... Joe Rogan is part of the broadcasting and, you know, the the this right wing conspiracy all funded by whatever to, you know, to propagandize.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
And people are going to go over there and they're going to believe what she says. And I mean, I have family members who truly believe that President Trump will take away their Social Security. Like he's saying quite the opposite. And by the way, he can't take it away. Only Congress can take it away. USAID.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
Well, of course, they've tried all kinds of things to stop this, and the First Amendment comes up, although we have stopped tobacco advertisements, and there's all kinds of things that have been done throughout the years. But what happened with television is all the money. I mean, really, 60, 70, maybe 80 percent of all the advertising income is from pharmaceutical companies.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
created by executive order by President Kennedy can be shut by executive order by President Trump. That's just a fact.
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#2273 - Adam Curry
But you know what happened? I think this is what we're not being told, but I have a lot of sysadmin friends. From what I understand, the Doge team, four guys initially, they were in... So the Treasury is like our bank account. It's one system, and it sends payments through the Federal Reserve System. And all they needed to do, January 21st at midnight, they were in there.
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#2266 - Brian Simpson
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#2293 - Chris Williamson
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#2276 - Felipe Esparza
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#2276 - Felipe Esparza
I hope every one of you can feel this level of happiness just one time in your life. You will never feel this level of happiness if you don't go for something. When they knock you down, when they talk about you, if you stay down, you will never ever get that resolve. Fortify your mind and feel this level of happiness as you rise.
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#2276 - Felipe Esparza
One time in your life, but I'm blessed to be able to feel this again and again and again and again and again.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Hey, Joe, it's the replacer. Yeah. No, you. Hey, I'm going to take it from here so you can enjoy some Call of Duty Black Ops 6. Great. Now, listen up, folks. Life can be chaotic, but you shouldn't have to miss out on the latest Call of Duty just because you've got, I don't know, responsibilities. That's where I come in. I will handle the boring stuff like works, chores, even podcast ads.
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#2226 - Theo Von
So you can dive right into the fight. Call of Duty Black Ops 6 is out October 25th. So dive in because I've got your back. Remember, I replace you, Blade. It's that simple.
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Um, because he's always had prophets. And it makes sense that just like he had prophets in Old Testament times, he would continue with it. Why would he suddenly stop? I never quite understood why God would stop talking to his people.
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I firmly believe that. God did lead me to Julie Green.
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So I would buy, you know, 60 times 10, which is 600 ounces. I know, I know it sounds like conspiracy theory, but they're going to do this. This is what they're planning, and I just want to have you be prepared, okay?
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Well, it's actually a common practice in a lot of third world countries. Look at Saddam Hussein. Saddam Hussein had... They aren't even sure, but over a half a dozen body doubles. That's why he could appear... in one part of the country one day and someplace else another day.
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Some of them were, but mostly they were, yeah, they were just appearances. Fun fact, while we're talking about body devils, When the Biden... Why do you call him the Biden? Well, because it's a body double.
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The last time Netanyahu, who's the Israeli prime minister, came to visit the U.S. here in Washington, D.C., it was interesting that the fake Biden stood six inches taller than Netanyahu. Netanyahu and Biden are both listed to be 5 feet 10 inches tall. So don't you find it interesting that when they were standing side by side in a couple of photos that Biden was suddenly 6 inches taller?
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He's also six feet, it says. Okay, yeah, they're the same height. The point is they're the same height. I thought it was 5'10". So, yeah, so it's six feet. Are you talking about this image? Yeah, I think that's it, yeah.
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I get that. I get that. But presidents don't do this.
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To be honest, it didn't say anything that I hadn't already heard.
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I'm disappointed, but it's okay. I have other resources.
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Oh, absolutely. Yeah, you know me, these conversations and just talking about my dad and all the rest. Absolutely.
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It's like they should have thrown on first down or at least second down. Anyway, I'll talk to you at halftime.
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We're down to the last four months, last third of the year.
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Impatient. I really thought more would have happened by now.
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Oh, why did I challenge you to this bet? That's a good question. I wanted to get your attention.
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Well, because I wanted you to believe that God is still active and alive and still in control of the world. And I thought this would be a concrete way for you to see that and experience that.
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Okay. Sounds good. We'll talk to you soon. Sounds good. Love you guys. Hey, and you know what, Zach, this alone has been well worth it. All the conversations we've had, this alone, I mean, to be perfectly honest, if I had to pay you 50 grand for the time we've spent together, every penny's been worth it.
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Yes, I fully hoped that would take place before the end of 2024. But that has not taken place.
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It's called denying us freedom of speech. No. It's called denying us freedom of speech. It's misinformation. No. Who gets the right to label it misinformation?
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Yeah, well, because somebody pretending to be the Biden is in the White House.
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I'm very happy that that didn't happen. And that makes 10. However... Oh, no. I still see that as a strong possibility of happening... I think it still has a strong possibility of happening within the next two months. Here we go. And I still am 100% positive that all of these are true. Even though none of them came true. Even though none of them have been actualized by the end of 2024.
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Wow, Zach, I was wrong. And not only were you wrong.
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Wrong about 10 things. I'm going to admit I was wrong about the timeline on all 10 things. I've been wrong.
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Yeah, but that's still a type of wrong.
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Because I know they're true. Why am I going to abandon truth? Why would I believe them? A lie. Why would I give that up? And it's not an arrogant thing. It's a knowing in my soul and in my spirit. So, yeah, I mean, I can't abandon the truth.
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That would break my heart, but I see that.
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None of them. Okay. The only people who've said that are you and mom.
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I probably wouldn't change, but I'd listen to him. I'd take it into consideration. You don't think that sounds like your dad? That aspect of it, yeah. But my dad had trouble living in reality. I don't have trouble living in reality.
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Well, we've gotten here completely because of a difference in beliefs. Yeah, you can point the finger at me and say, it's because of your beliefs. Well, that's partially true, but it's simultaneously because of the three of your beliefs, right? And... I understand your beliefs, but I don't believe that way. I'm not going to pretend I believe that way.
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And I know you guys don't want me just to pretend. You want me to embrace it and live it and think it and breathe it the same way you do. I can't do that. Therefore, it creates a wedge, right? Yeah. But it doesn't have to. I think the post-COVID years have really magnified and polarized people.
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I can agree with that. I see that. I have made more significant changes in the past four years in terms of my own spiritual awareness and spiritual growth. Yeah. And that certainly... I know feels and looks very radical.
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Oh, I think, I think, I think your mom, I don't know what I think about her anymore. I mean, I don't think negative about her other than she's less than confused.
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Probably. And a lot worse. I continue to love your mom, but this is the irony. She sits in judgment of me and therefore judges me unworthy of being her partner and husband anymore. I mean, short of pretending to be somebody who I'm not, I don't see a solution.
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I can accept you and love you and have my beliefs and accept your beliefs. You can't accept my beliefs without judging me.
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Not at all. I love my daughter. I love Kira.
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I would never. I would never disown my daughter.
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Yeah, I get that. It's not about rejection. See, that's how you guys label it. But it's not rejection. It's about looking at it from a spiritual viewpoint where this is not what God wants for her.
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I don't know. I have no idea. Yeah. I have no idea, man. I can't even think that far ahead. Yeah.
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I figured you'd probably want small unmarked bills. Yeah. Non-sequential. Yes. So did you bring a suitcase? Yeah.
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All right. Oh, I love you. I love you, too.
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What do you think the score is going to be?
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I think it's going to be 31 to 22 bucks.
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I think it will be very black and white.
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will be found guilty of treason in 2024. So like by a court?
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And then number two? Oh, yeah. Biden will be found guilty of treason in 2024. Just treason for something specific? For selling all those secrets that he had in the back of his Corvette.
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It's partially a joke, but it's also real.
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Yep. He's a total idiot. And I'm impressed that you see that. So good. One we can both cheer for.
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Number 10. I threw this in because I thought you'd be excited about it.
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The U.S. will come under martial law in 2024 because of mass rioting and chaos. So the military will have to step in.
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Well, the whole United States will come under martial law and the biggest cities will be targeted. You know, New York, unfortunately, Washington, D.C., the Bay Area. Okay. You seem pretty confident about that. I am 100% confident.
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Well, not even in the Civil War. This is going to be the biggest shakeup to ever hit the United States of America and the world at large.
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Yeah. Yeah, I think it will be very black and white. And if you are wrong... Then you're $10,000 richer.
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Well, I think that once you see that I haven't been duped by AI and social media and the algorithms, I think you will gain a lot more respect for... who I am and how I think and how I've come to believe. The other thing I want to have you say after each one of these is that, wow, dad, you were right and I was wrong. Same goes for you then. Okay, absolutely. All right.
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Hey, Zach. Dad again. Good conversation last night. Hey, I didn't remember to tell you this because I was kind of tired, but they're going to shut us down again, and it's going to be a worse shutdown than than 2020 because of this EMP, all the supply lines are going to be disrupted.
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So you really want to store up two months worth of food and water because they probably won't be able to pump water throughout the city because that's all controlled by computers and electronics. And the EMP is going to shut down everything electronic.
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I still remember that very well. It was a certificate, some kind of certification. My dad. My first impression was you had changed religion from Hinduism to some other unknown cult religion.
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What's the Reality?
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That's scary. Yeah. Yeah. Because I feel like he will never be on your side. Right. Or anyone's side. Yeah. Besides the people that matter. You know, that—and I think what is so crazy about this is we're told throughout the experiment that, like, will the outside matter? And this is not one of those things that I'm thinking would affect—
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And engagement, you know? But like, you never think like, how is my past going to show up so heavily in my day to day? And that was one, I feel like this relationship from all seasons, that back home, that outsized factor really destroyed, in essence, your engagement. Yeah.
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So you guys met up, you, Dave and your dad did a whole off camera thing that he got really emotional about. Do you want to talk about that and tell us what happened?
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Whereas, like, in the past, he was a little— During the conversation.
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And at this point, your dad knows what you guys are kind of going through.
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Do you think Dave felt like attacked or?
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He looked very hurt.
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I feel like you have a lot of people like I feel like the world wanted to stick up for you And like having your dad stick up for you probably felt amazing So how did it feel when you watched the conversation between Dave and Molly and how she had your back she? Hilled that conversation.
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She's so sweet and so cute. And so then after, what we see is Dave stumbling over to you. And his... Is he drunk? He's drunk. Okay. It was a long night. And you're... Okay. Walk me through that. Were you sober? Was anybody sober? I was, like... Is this the one bar that you guys all go to, by the way?
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Yeah. Like the whole time I'm watching, I'm like, yawn, eye roll, like, and I'm begging, I'm like literally pleading. I'm like, Lauren, if you piss me off, I'm turning this TV off. What if we went home together, Lauren? No, I would have protested, yeah, because no, you deserve way better than some drunken I'm sorry and I want you back bullshit at the bar.
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You didn't deserve that.
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And like the fact that he can come back less than 24 hours with all this remorse.
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Drunk remorse, whatever we're calling it.
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I just, I didn't buy it. And I'm glad you saw through it.
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Because what the hell?
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Did you reach out the next, like what?
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So you're obviously watching kind of like all the chatter on social media about your season. Have you watched prior seasons? First of all, all of them. Big fan. Okay. Loved you. Yeah. Oh, thank you. But people are saying love is bland. Yeah. Yeah. How, how was it for you watching it? Like if you were to take yourself and your story and your drama out of it, how is the season for you?
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I'm bringing feathers so we can all ruffle them. Don't come to the Midwest then. You would hate it. Oh my goodness. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. Because I feel like when you're on this kind of experiment or experience and the point is to get below surface level conversations. So it's like if you guys are on TV acting that way, in real life are we having conversations?
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Like in real life, are the Minnesotans talking or are you guys just getting surface level married?
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Like prior to the show, were you having conversation?
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Do you feel like moving forward, your dating style will change in any way?
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Still. Yeah. Are we shocked? No. Okay. No, we're not. Girl, I have such a big sigh with that man. I know. I know. Head scratch. I'm just like, okay, let's talk about it. So you were in a love triangle. Yeah. You, Dave and Molly. How do you feel to be in a love triangle? And is there anything that you would have done differently?
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Especially with people like Dave running around expecting you to not know anybody when you all know that you all know the same people. That's scary. Yeah. Girl. It's tough. We're going to apartment search in the East Coast. We're going to get you out of there because... In the other real world, no one gives a fuck.
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Where I'm from. Because you shouldn't. No one cares. Because that shouldn't matter. It shouldn't matter. It's a simple conversation. Yeah, I know him. Yeah, we did whatever. Yeah, I lived a life before you. Right. Now what? Right. Like, let's get to it.
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And I think. He kind of dropped the ball on that one.
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Sorry. Okay, so we kind of mentioned that we don't think that Dave was just sitting in his apartment for the last 30-something years before he met you. And it was kind of this expectation that you needed to be some Virgin Mary whenever he met you. But I do feel like there's like this double standard just in general when it comes to how women should present and how men are allowed to kind of frolic.
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Did you feel that kind of between you two?
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Yeah. Minnesota is too small. It's too small and it's, oh my God.
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There's that. Imagine if he would have been in the pod. Thank God. He would have ran around the lounge like, oh my God.
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goodness this man is he's after something huh he's after something don't like that very much no like i said i need to get a better picker yeah we need to get you out of minnesota i know that's what we need to do yeah good thing this is going to be like aired everywhere because great we need to where should i go out of here Okay, so you posted something about your wax situation.
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Thank you. Can I clarify that, please?
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
It did give that he couldn't care either way. Exactly. I'm glad you got a chance to clear that up.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Do you think that he took full accountability for everything or do you feel like maybe?
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
No, I don't think he's dating. Mm-hmm. If he calls you to say hi, are you going to go say hi? I'm not going to say hi.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
At the bar. Right, at that one bar. So the show is done. The reunion's done. We're almost a year out. What would you say is your biggest thing that you learned from the show?
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
I feel like you're kind of similar to me, like very much a hopeless romantic. Yeah. And I hope you keep that. Yeah. I hope you keep that light about you because I,
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
honestly being on this side of things and thinking this is never going to happen for me and that I'll never get my man and there's always going to be somebody talking mean to me and making jokes that are not fucking funny or judging me for my past or like but then you find your person yeah and I just want you to to just keep that light about you keep this glow and know that that is not a reflection of you or what you should be accepting in the future so yeah
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
This is the most awkward part. And you're going to find that person that's going to walk in and be like, oh, I know immediately. That's my girl.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Yeah. Yay. Yay. Hey, y'all. Hey. Hi. We are... Here.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
With the last standing couple. We did it. Of Love is Blind Season 8. We are with Taylor and Daniel. Hello. Hi. Welcome. Thank you. You guys are all smiles.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Yeah. What is there not to smile about?
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
So are you guys like officially one year married? What is the timeline? March 19th will be the year. March 19th. Yeah, coming up.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Okay, so what have you guys been up to in these 11 and a half-ish months?
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Doing some trips, yeah.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Yeah. So, you guys have just been inseparable, I'm assuming. Yeah.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
So, how's married life? Tell me. Like, let's get into it. We've been married for 11 and a half-ish months. Is it easy? Is it hard? Is it what you thought? What are we thinking? I think.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
You know what's crazy? Like watching you guys' like journey, it just looked peaceful.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Like when you're kind of watching reality TV shows, you're kind of like, where's the drama? Yeah. Where's the... We need it. Yeah, we need the drama. We need it or it's not going to work. Relationships need to be tested and you guys just are comfortable and you love each other and you're happy. How's marriage life for you?
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
You guys already are making me emotional. No, because it's like I'm seeing my future. Yeah, you're so close. I know. So I just love to see the love. Yeah, so is there anything that you guys wish you knew about each other before you got married? Or wish you talked about before you got married? Interesting question.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Yeah, I know in those kind of questions, did you guys have any favorite topics in those prompts that you were kind of like, I can't wait to talk to Daniel about this or I can't wait to talk to Taylor about this? What was your favorite topics?
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Yeah. I love that. So you guys come from a pretty small family. Tiny. Yeah.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
So you guys hit it off like almost immediately. Day one. Yeah, day one. Did you guys have?
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
You had him on for 30 seconds.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Did you guys have connections with anyone else?
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
i know that's right wait to tell me about your reveal how was it seeing each other for the first time were we nervous oh so nervous yeah i was pretty nervous i think i was standing like in front of the doors waiting for him to open was just like what the heck am i doing like this is no but does it not feel like those doors are closed for 99 hours and you're standing there like how much lip gloss can you put on
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
I remember just pacing being like, can I get lip gloss? My breath is going to sink by the time I get to this man. I was so like, that was.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
So did you know heights and stuff before?
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Do you guys have types? And if so, are you each other's type?
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
So we did mention that, like, you didn't really have a type. But do you feel like your preference would have blocked you from. Absolutely. Yeah.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Do you think that he's someone that you would have walked up to or like entertained at like a bar or a club or something?
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
And I think a lot of people have to remember like we're all dating the same people. So it's like, am I going to now be, am I going to choose my bestie? That's not really my bestie that I've known all of four minutes. Right. or the man that I'm falling for that I could potentially marry. And I think we're in such a sticky situation where it's like, I love you, girl, but get off of my man.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
And you don't, I mean, you don't act. No. Your age is premature. Thanks. That's amazing. Yep. Speaking of acting your age, what is this Instagram thing? Oh my gosh. I have to talk about it. Do we though? No, I do because it was, I'm like, if they break up, I don't even, I'm not going to watch the rest of the fucking show. Yeah. It's fair. Excuse me. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not going to watch it.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Um, so what, how did that transpire? What did you think was going on? Let's clear that up.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
I want this, and I will fight for this. We don't come on the show for best friends. You can stumble into that one bar you all go to and find a new friend. That's not why we're here. we're here. So I think a lot of people kind of miss the mark on that. Like, we're not here for best friends. Yeah, we want to come off as girls, girls. And, oh, you like him, I like him.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Anyway, I feel like a lot of people on social media are like, oh, you were like looking for an out. You didn't like the way he looked, whatever, whatever. Do you want to clear that up for the people?
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
But I don't think you have to defend yourself for going in there and being like... Hey, this is what I want. I want you.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Yeah. I hope you guys' level of drama stays that minimal. I hope it's that small. I really do hope that for you guys. How are you dealing with the Instagram and the social media? Because if that's already an insecurity, and then now you have millions of people with opinions, how are you guys handling that?
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
As you should, because you will go insane and they won't stop. I know. They won't stop. I know. There's always going to be something. Yeah.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Are you guys surprised that you're the only couple to say yes? Is there anybody that you thought would make it all the way?
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Why weren't you guys hopeful for the other couples?
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
You just felt like it wasn't as strong.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Don't make me cry anymore.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Okay, so it's not just us.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
frustration it wasn't that like he had this connection with molly obviously that was kind of part of it did his jokes land like was that funny it it that whole year 30 so because i don't i don't see a world where that's funny did that land for you super valid question yeah um very valid i feel like that's like the most a lot of people are wondering that because i'm like oh is she gonna walk out because i would have been like you know what i'm
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
No, I would like be fast forwarding and then I would stop and be like, oh wait, I like this song.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Okay, budget. I could have used that. You paved the way, AD, for us to have those songs. You're welcome. But no, that was, I don't know, I feel bad because the memes are going crazy. And then they're saying all the guys are clones and we can't figure out who's who.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
We can tell. We are all the same. We can tell. I'm sorry to hear that. I don't know, because you want, after watching season seven and the amount of drama. Right, right. And then fast forwarding to y'all. Yeah. And the lack of drama. It's weird because in reality TV, kind of like you were saying, people are like, where's the drama? Where's the drama? Where's the love? Where's the love?
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Yeah, there was a lot of conversations that were not happening. Talking without talking. Yeah, a lot of that.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
You guys are talking like it's a different country. Like, literally, like, in the Midwest, we don't really... I think we're just very... This is all so foreign. Yeah.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
I feel like our season, because we're all from the Bible Belt in the South, and so we were dramatic, but we were also like, and Jesus, please, God, please be with us. Every second was a stop to pray. We were just like, every minute of the day, we were praying.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Keep praying for me. God, Jesus, please help me. Whereas you guys are kind of like, politics, maybe.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
No, I saw that they were casting in Boston. So good luck.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
They're not going to hold back. Yeah. No. That'll be fun to watch. Imagine that. Yeah.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Yeah. No, they don't. Can't win. No, they don't.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
No. They don't want happiness. So because you guys were kind of like hush hush, is there any secrets, any BTS behind the scenes that you can share that maybe. Between us two? Anything that would shock the Midwest.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
How was that, like, watching your friends? Like, you're saying you're closer with the girls and you are closer with the guys. How was that, like, watching it kind of?
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
I do wonder how, like, because did you talk to Lauren during the whole... Oh, yeah. And did you talk to Dave during all that? Did you give him any advice on, like, maybe you should relax?
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
She deserves happiness. For sure. Yeah. And I hope Dave learns, like you said.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Yeah, that was tough. You guys are a great example of how to get through things and talk about things that might come up. And I think we can learn a lot from that. Do you guys feel like there's anything else that you want to clear up? Tell the people, ruffle a feather or two. It's okay. They will let you back in.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
That's so powerful.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
I love when the experiment experience whatever we're calling it these days. I love when it works. Yeah, yeah because it's like Should there be?
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Future seasons like I had proof prior that it works and now people can look back and be like it still works It still works and that was a lot of my reason for going on the show and being like Seeing like Lauren and Cameron and seeing like amber and like seeing people actually married like this and happy and happy You know and so I think
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
This Taco Bell thing. Yeah. We've got a tattoo. We do. Do you want to see it? I do actually want to see it.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Oh my God. No, you committed to the bit.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Yeah. Speaking of.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Yeah, come back when you get there. What? Okay, now I need to call Ollie.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
I know, I'm going to be like, get me plastered on your back. Yes. Daniel did it. Daniel did it.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
I love that. You guys, it was such a pleasure having you here. I'm so happy for you. Congratulations. Thank you. You're the most beautiful bride, by the way. Oh, thank you. Loves your dress. And you guys just, you know, I want nothing but the best for you guys. Likewise. And I hope that you guys come back with any life updates. Yeah. We'll bring that to you. Yeah. Ruffle feathers.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Yeah, ruffle feathers. It's okay. I promise. You'll be okay doing that. Yeah. I'm going to need to sleep on it. Yeah. I loved having you guys here. Thank you for having us. This was so fun. Of course, you guys.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Because it seemed to be the whole plot of your relationship.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
It was actually frustrating to watch. Like I'm getting hot thinking about it. Yeah. And then the relationship with his sister. Yeah.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Okay. You're like, I need to hold your hand. When I tell you this, first of all, what did you think about their relationship? Regardless of him losing his mom, which is extremely sad and unfortunate. And we're not going to make that a thing, but the relationship with a sister, do you even see yourself being even married into a family where he can't make a decision about,
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
But sitting there and that you're kind of like, I need her approval. We need. Yeah. How do you feel?
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Never? Nope. Not even a FaceTime off camera?
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Do you think he was kind of like looking for, do you think he was already out of it when he got back?
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Yeah. And you were just fighting for your little life. I was fighting for my life.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Yeah. So he gets his phone back. You guys get your phone back. He's now dumped with all this information that you were not a virgin before he met you. Shocking. And he's devastated. Uh-huh. Really crushed him. What the fuck? Yeah. No, honestly. Okay. Walk me through it. So now, yeah, just walk me through it.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
You guys, what's up? What's up? Welcome to What's the Reality? Today we are joined by our girl Lauren from season eight of Love is Blind. Welcome. Thank you. We're going to dive into all things LIB, but first catch me up. How's life? What are we up to?
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
I hate to keep laughing at this man, but it's just kind of so silly. He goes on this kind of like spree when the cast was all meeting, asking everyone who's all had sex. That was a tough watch. And like for someone that didn't want you to have sex ever, he went around asking who's all doing what. Yeah, yeah. Do you have any insight to what he was up to prior to the show?
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Because was he really just sitting there?
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Right. Do you feel like, like, why do you feel like it was so important for you to, like, keep having that conversation with him over and over and over? Like, did you ever get to the point where you're just like, believe me or not, or do whatever the fuck you want to do with this information?
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
I can't recall like a different conversation between you two. Yeah.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Yeah. Do you think that you guys handle conflict differently? Different. We do. Yeah. Because there's no way in hell. I would have had that conversation one time and I would have been like,
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Yeah. So you saw Dave at the reunion. Was that the first time seeing him? Have you guys spoken before?
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The Secret is Out! AD and Ollie are Engaged!
And talk about how you set this whole surprise proposal up. Get into it.
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The Secret is Out! AD and Ollie are Engaged!
I went into it the same way. I was just like, I'm just going to go have some fun. Like after the trauma of Love is Blind, I'm like, fuck all that. Like I just want to go be in a bikini and be hot. And then boom.
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The Secret is Out! AD and Ollie are Engaged!
Thank you, honey. It is actually very bizarre because I was asked to do a show.
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The Secret is Out! AD and Ollie are Engaged!
prior to being asked to do Perfect Match and it was like a show that I was like kind of on the fence about and I was going back and forth literally till the day before where I was supposed to get on a plane and I called my very good friend and I was like look I don't think there's something in my spirit like this just does not feel right I don't know I felt more drawn to Perfect Match and
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The Secret is Out! AD and Ollie are Engaged!
So let's get to know you a little bit.
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The Secret is Out! AD and Ollie are Engaged!
Let's let the people get to know you a little bit.
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The Secret is Out! AD and Ollie are Engaged!
Yeah, because I know you very well. Whatever you want to talk about, but share a little bit about yourself for the people who did not watch Love is Blind UK.
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The Secret is Out! AD and Ollie are Engaged!
Don't make that a habit, by the way.
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The Secret is Out! AD and Ollie are Engaged!
Was your mom like instrumental in you applying for the show? Or like, how did you even apply? How did you even get on the show?
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The Secret is Out! AD and Ollie are Engaged!
Yeah. Is there anything that happened on the show that you didn't expect? Like considering that you hadn't watched it, did you know that marriage was the end goal or did you just go on there thinking...
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The Secret is Out! AD and Ollie are Engaged!
Yeah. But... Would you do it any differently?
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The Secret is Out! AD and Ollie are Engaged!
ashamed of or like yeah i'd rechange because yeah no my family watched the show because like i said i've only seen oh good tidbits of it yeah and i was just like y'all he's getting kind of like slammed online like tell me is this the man that i should be running from because at that point i was still in my red flag era so i was like tell me is this is this one of them because i can't tell and they watched it and they were just like i don't get it like i don't
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The Secret is Out! AD and Ollie are Engaged!
Like they could see obviously how people would come up with some of the judgments that they had of you. But for the most part, they were just like, I think he's cool.
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The Secret is Out! AD and Ollie are Engaged!
I feel like you had to defend that a lot at the end. Like your preference or your type or what you're into. Like I feel like people automatically just assume that. I mean, clearly your type is sitting right in front of you.
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The Secret is Out! AD and Ollie are Engaged!
your experience on the show has changed your views on love and how you went about everything this time.
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The Secret is Out! AD and Ollie are Engaged!
Thank you, honey. I think we've come a long way, one, you and I. And like, I just, I always remember seeing this quote that was like, somebody will treat you better in this short amount of time than somebody that you've dated for 10 years. And I just feel like that's such a reflection of our relationship because I feel like I was always so fearful that somebody
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The Secret is Out! AD and Ollie are Engaged!
I wasn't going to find somebody that found my worth immediately or that noticed my worth or appreciated my worth immediately. And you kind of, like you just said, within three days, we were already having these intentional conversations. And I feel like you were like, you knew almost immediately.
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The Secret is Out! AD and Ollie are Engaged!
Y'all, I had been to London, like... When he was planning, I was in London.
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The Secret is Out! AD and Ollie are Engaged!
I love when you say that because I was so like, like I didn't realize how big of a factor that was for you that you didn't know that you could have both, that you could have your best friend. Like he would say things like, yeah, like if I was going to go to like carnival or something, something that's just strictly for the boys.
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The Secret is Out! AD and Ollie are Engaged!
and also you've always made it so comfortable for me to do that and so free from judgment and so like i've never felt like ah you know i mean i don't feel like there's anything i can't tell you there's not except how you you kind of hid a whole proposal from me but yeah i would do that again in the heartbeat i ain't gonna lie so what is your favorite thing about me you said all that what is your as in like what made me like what made you fall for me what made you be like you know what i'm gonna put a ring on this girl because i can't live without her
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The Secret is Out! AD and Ollie are Engaged!
Yeah, before I came to London the second time.
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The Secret is Out! AD and Ollie are Engaged!
So I get this email about we're doing Perfect Match promo together. And I'm like, okay, I'm no genius, but I've been in this industry long enough to know that we shouldn't be doing anything together before the show airs. So I'm like, this is so silly. What the hell is going on?
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The Secret is Out! AD and Ollie are Engaged!
Oh my God. Pretty similar to what you said. It's kind of hard to narrow it down to like one or two things. But I can kind of say what immediately drew me to you was kind of like, you're like childhood like way of living and just like your mentality of just fun. I feel like a lot of things for me were so serious all the time. Like I just was like, I'm an adult mode. I am an adult. I am an adult.
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The Secret is Out! AD and Ollie are Engaged!
And then when I met you, you were kind of like, yes, you're grown and very mature, but you have this way of just like,
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The Secret is Out! AD and Ollie are Engaged!
letting down that wall and letting me in to be like just laugh and just relax and like calm my nervous system so I'm not so uptight and I think you bring that into literally almost everything that we do no matter where we are we're out dinner we're out lunch we're having an argument or we're just like laying down like you bring this or on a plane Or on the plane. The plane was insane.
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The Secret is Out! AD and Ollie are Engaged!
But you just bring so much life and light into any situation where I would normally be so bothered. Like you calm everything around me in the most nurturing and loving, but fun, youthful way. And I've never experienced anything like that. Like I've always been like, if I'm uptight, my person's uptight. If I'm mad, they're mad. But you know how to stabilize any situation in any room.
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The Secret is Out! AD and Ollie are Engaged!
And I love that about you. And I want that for the rest of my life.
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The Secret is Out! AD and Ollie are Engaged!
So we can talk future plans. What's next for us?
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The Secret is Out! AD and Ollie are Engaged!
We do have a wedding to plan. We have a date.
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The Secret is Out! AD and Ollie are Engaged!
don't want to do this but that was part of it because I knew if I was too much like oh yeah no this sounds great let's go let's get like you'd be like hmm yeah he knows him I had to pretend I didn't have a clue so I was so um nonchalant about the whole thing that I didn't I didn't buy my dress until the day before um the promo and we're shopping around I'm just like oh this is cute this is cute and he goes you know like maybe pretend that this is a dress that you'll
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The Secret is Out! AD and Ollie are Engaged!
We've had a date. I've had a date before I even got the ring.
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The Secret is Out! AD and Ollie are Engaged!
I agree. Yeah. Yeah. Once we leave here today, planning starts.
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The Secret is Out! AD and Ollie are Engaged!
That's why we're working hard, honey.
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The Secret is Out! AD and Ollie are Engaged!
Yeah, and two dresses and two shoes.
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The Secret is Out! AD and Ollie are Engaged!
We do, yeah. And we haven't been not, not, not. Anyway.
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The Secret is Out! AD and Ollie are Engaged!
So for, I don't know, we both went on shows about love and to get married and find our person. And a lot of people on the outside world are just like, one, you go on these shows and they're clout chasers or this is fake or whatever that they come up with. But yet here we are sitting here in real life love. How do you feel about people saying that this is all fake?
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The Secret is Out! AD and Ollie are Engaged!
probably see or be wearing for the rest of your life or something special. And I was just like, okay. He's like, well, it is promo and it's our first time being, you know, shown to the world. So maybe you should dress up a little bit. And I was just like, okay, mind y'all, I had peeled off my nails the night before. So I had no...
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The Secret is Out! AD and Ollie are Engaged!
Yeah, I think these shows are only as real as you make them. And I think we could have easily went on Perfect Match, did our thing and went our different ways. But we chose to intentionally...
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The Secret is Out! AD and Ollie are Engaged!
That always makes me think of that point that I always ask you, like, do you feel like you jumped into everything too soon? Because you did get into the show, like, right on the cusp of yours airing. And then you jumped into this, which you were thinking was going to be unserious. And then I kept being like, honey, like, are you sure this is what you want to do?
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Are you sure you don't want to be in the streets?
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I love the way you talk about us. But again, very grateful that we had this opportunity to talk.
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And we'll be back to spill some actual... Oh, yeah, yeah.
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Perfect match tea. Oh, Lord. You guys, thank you so much for tuning in and listening to another episode of What's the Reality? We are going to be doing this every Wednesday. Don't forget to follow us on all our platforms and like and subscribe at What's the Reality Pod. I love you so much.
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yeah that was hard yeah so we get to the beach and I'm still in my promo brain I'm just like I don't have any lines I don't know what I'm not prepared for this and then they start feeding us lines and I'm like perfect match like from the pots to the beach and blah blah blah and then all of a sudden they're like we got to check your mic ad and I'm like okay bet checks my mic
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I'm here with Ollie and I couldn't be more excited to have you here, honey.
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like asking when I think I'm going to put the question I'm like listen let's relax maybe June, July let's wait a little bit do you know what I mean so I had to really throw you off the scent and I did you did I tricked you you did so then we walk up the hill and I'm just like and I look to the right and there is this
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display of beautiful white roses and candles i'm shaking every time i tell the story i get nervous every time you tell the story you get better at telling it yeah okay because i've been like telling it like 17 times a day um and then there's a heart carved out i'm shaking in the um sand with rose petals and i'm just like what is going on what's happening and
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Yeah. And we do both come from the love is blind. Yeah.
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So let's be open and honest and candid. We haven't really watched each other's shows.
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We've seen clips and I'm not going to lie. I've fast forwarded to the important parts of yours. Like I haven't watched your show in its entirety.
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But yeah, whenever you popped up on the screen, I was like, what? Huh? Who?
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Hello, and welcome back to another episode of What's the Reality? You guys, I am joined today by a very handsome, a very special guest. And I'm actually very excited to announce that this guest is my fiance.
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Yeah. So we've been engaged for how many days? Has it been a week?
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Because I have to defend myself for a second.
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Let me tell you what happened. So I was doing these things last year with Ale and we were doing like Instagram lives and we were doing like dating and stuff.
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We were doing like a dating thing, like a speed dating. It was kind of bizarre, but anyway. And then they announced the cast of your season. And so I literally pulled up my iPad and we went through all the men and was like, let's rate them. Let's rate them.
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Because you thought you had something. And so then I pulled you up and I was like, who the fuck is this man?
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But yeah, I think that might have been the day that I was rummaging through your IG.
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Today is one week engaged. Congratulations to you. I won the lottery. So we can't tell. I mean, you know, they know we met on Perfect Match. We can't talk too much about it. We can't talk about it at all, actually. No. But we can talk about how much we love each other.
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Yeah, well, that's without a doubt. I just remember being like, oh, had we not done Perfect Match, would you have slid in my DMs?
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Yeah. I would have been on the first flight out. Well, I technically was when we got back from the show.
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it makes it easier to trust each other's words when we say oh we should do this and it happens rather than like kind of just putting things out there and they never come to fruition do you get i'm saying yeah so yeah i think we did i think we kind of touched on a little bit at the reunion how we were talking about like the intentionality between us and i think you really kind of laid the benchmark for it because you did start asking me on dates like randomly you'd be like
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And I didn't care about your time. I really didn't give two shits.
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Yeah. I didn't think it was going to be easy. I just didn't think it was going to be this hard. Like, I was just like, okay, it's a flight away. It's a flight away. And I kept, I had that mindset, but then I was forgetting that there was going to be times where I'm not going to be able to just hop on a flight. There's going to be months and weeks in the middle that I wasn't prepared for.
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I thought I was going to be like, oh, if I miss him, I'll just go to London. But it wasn't like that. Like, and it got really hard. Yeah.
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We can talk about our journeys to each other.
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His idea of long distance is somebody that lives.
What's the Reality?
The Secret is Out! AD and Ollie are Engaged!
Okay. Well, let's talk about how you tricked me for two months.