Cameron Hanes is a master bowhunter, outdoorsman, elite athlete, author, and a host of the podcasts “Keep Hammering Collective," and "Sh*t Talkers Weekly." His new book, "Undeniable: How to Reach the Top and Stay There," will be released on May 6. www.cameronhanes.com This video is sponsored by BetterHelp. Visit BetterHelp.com/JRE Don’t miss out on all the action - Download the DraftKings app today! Sign-up using dkng.co/rogan or with my promo code ROGAN. GAMBLING PROBLEM? CALL 1-800-GAMBLER, (800) 327-5050 or visit gamblinghelplinema.org (MA). Call 877-8-HOPENY/text HOPENY (467369) (NY). Please Gamble Responsibly. 888-789-7777/visit ccpg.org (CT), or visit www.mdgamblinghelp.org (MD). 21+ and present in most states. (18+ DC/KY/NH/WY). Void in ONT/OR/NH. Eligibility restrictions apply. On behalf of Boot Hill Casino & Resort (KS). 1 per new customer. $5+ first-time bet req. Max. $200 issued as non-withdrawable Bonus Bets that expire in 7 days (168 hours). Stake removed from payout. Terms: sportsbook.draftkings.com/promos. Ends 5/18/25 at 11:59 PM ET. Sponsored by DK. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Chapter 1: What is Cameron Hanes's new book about?
Which one is that? What's the race called? When your mark is set, go.
Cocodona 250.
Where is it? Is it Elevation?
It's Arizona, so it goes from, I think, Black Canyon City to Flagstaff.
40,000.
Oh, 40,000 feet, nothing.
Or maybe 30,000. I don't know. A lot of climbing.
Just a tiny amount.
Oh, look, fucking mountains. No, there's lots of mountains. Yeah, it's right there.
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Chapter 2: Why is Cameron planning to run 250 miles with a broken foot?
old videos on YouTube of fighters training. And I got into this one video that I sent you about Rocky Marciano and how insane his training was. And it was seven days a week. He would spar sometimes 30, 40 rounds in a day. He would run 10 miles in the morning and then five more miles at night. And then he would swim two miles in the lake. He would swim across the lake and then back.
And then he would get up in the morning and do it all over again. And he never took days off.
No. And another thing, he was like focused on recovery and sleep. Like he would be in bed like at nine, I think I said every night and get his sleep in, but work so hard. And why do we love stories like that?
Because you know how hard it is to do.
Yeah.
Yeah. But it's... It's impossible. I mean, it's possible, but it's impossible for most. It's like it requires a mind that is just fortified through will and discipline to this strange hardness that's just different than everybody else's.
Well, but why would... Okay, so he retired at 49 and 0. Yeah. Heavyweight... Everybody knows him in fighting. Maybe not everybody in the world, obviously. He died a while ago.
By the way, small heavyweight. We were talking about that, too. I think in his prime he was 190 pounds or 189 pounds. Something crazy. What did Rocky Marciano weigh while he was fighting? I think he was 5'10", and he weighed like 189 pounds, which is insane. Yeah. Like 188. That's so crazy, dude. So he weighed 12 pounds less than me.
think about that five ten and a quarter he weighs 12 he's two inches taller than me and a little more and then he weighs 12 pounds less did he fight joe lewis and sunny yeah he fought no no no no he fought joe lewis when joe lewis was way past his prime and flatlined him it was pretty brutal it was a scary fight but he was that's so crazy that he was only 188 pounds and he was the heavyweight champion granted
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Chapter 3: What lessons does Cameron Hanes share from his ultrarunning experiences?
Chapter 4: How did David Goggins develop his legendary willpower?
No. Or, excuse me, Eddie Izzard. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Shout out to Eddie Ift. Eddie Izzard, the comedian from the UK who likes to wear women's clothes, he did this thing in...
sometime in the 2000s where he ran a marathon every day and he had no training he wasn't in shape at all he just did it through sheer will yeah and i think he did it like 29 days in a row like something insane like that twice he did it twice okay he's completed 43 marathons in 51 days that's in 2009
and then oh it says she see this thing about calling him she is he doesn't call himself she he still refers to himself as as eddie yeah and he says i'm a he and i like ladies um i don't know why they're saying she unless he's changed things since or she's changed whatever either way respect super cool person too yeah um Done two podcasts with him, her, thee, them, whatever the fuck it is.
I love him to death. But one of them while he was on a treadmill. Really? You did a podcast? Yeah, he was a he at the time. So I was allowed to say he at the time.
I'm glad we're getting this all worked out. Because when I want to tell these stories, I got to figure out when he was he and she.
I think I did his podcast. And he was doing podcasts while he was on a treadmill. Mm-hmm. And it was running like hundreds of miles. It's like, you know, but just through force of will. Completed, oh, it's her latest endurance. Look at that. Eddie Izzard completes her latest. Like, what are we doing? This time, 32 marathons in 31 days. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. It's so kooky. Well.
But, I mean, that's really impressive, too, because this is a person that's not in shape. Like, when they started doing it. When he started doing the first marathon, when he ran all around the UK and ran like a marathon a day, there's a documentary about it. And the documentary is pretty incredible because he's not in shape at all. And he's just breaking himself down.
And his feet are falling apart. I bet. Like the bottom of his feet are just raw. It's just blood and tissues. And they've got gauze wrapped in between the toes. It's oozing. I mean, they're just destroyed. I bet. One day he had to take a day off. Yeah. Because it was that bad.
You think about it because that was one of the questions I did this podcast about this Cocodona race coming up. And they said, you know, how many steps do you think it will take to finish the race? So in that that just reminds me of. So if it's 250 miles, it's my guess was is generally about 2000 steps a mile. So 500000 steps.
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Chapter 5: What are the challenges of running ultra marathons?
And if it's not your whole life, get out.
Get out. There's another quote that I love, something like, there's somebody out there training every day, and when you meet, they will win.
Yeah.
I mean, that's just a fact. Most people don't want to think about those type of people.
Mm-hmm.
They think that they're like, oh, yeah, I'm working my ass off. I'm doing more than anybody.
Mm-hmm.
They're ignoring a few people.
Yeah. You don't work more than anybody. That's not real. Yeah. There's no way you do. There's one guy. He lives in Vegas.
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Chapter 6: How do mental strategies impact endurance sports?
Chapter 7: What role does recovery play in athletic performance?
Then he dies. I was like, he's talking shit.
He was talking shit. That's what you get.
That's Burt. Burt will tell you he can do the splits. I'm like, okay, do the splits. He can't do the splits. He'll tell you he can beat you in push-ups. Okay, he can't beat you in push-ups, but he'll always say it, which is fine. But there was something about that competition where we were all kind of going crazy. We all decided to never do that again because at the end of the month we were like,
It was bad for your family, bad for your kids never saw me. I was like daddy's fucking screaming in the gym all day. I set off the fire alarm because I sweat so much in the gym that the fire alarm went off. That's pushing it. Puddles around me, puddles. Just puddles. I was just drinking water and soda. I was drinking like cream sodas because I needed sugar. Yeah, I just felt that's what I wanted.
I wanted soda. I was drinking like sugary sodas and just running like a fucking maniac. And at the end of it, I was like, I can't. That's a part of my brain I don't like. That part was like the part that made me very good at fighting. And it like ignited again. And I was like, woo, it's still in there. Like, Jesus. Yeah. It's been a while and it's still there. It's been a while.
It kind of got stronger. It was like more like wanted to stay back. You know, it's like you want to start doing other things. You want to start running and doing races and start like, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, you're busy.
Yeah. Let's not get crazy. Do you think it's. Do you think it's the measurables that have changed things? Sure. Because our watches tell us everything. Right. So you get those numbers. You want those numbers to go up.
Yeah, they say that that's a thing with those Fitbits and all these different wearables. People say that people are getting addicted to those the same way they're getting addicted to social media. So we were doing everything through the MyZones chest strap. It's a heart rate monitor.
And it was basically giving you a certain amount of points for having your heart rate above 140 and then even more points if it gets above 180 when you're in the red range. And so you would just try to clock as many points as you could for a day.
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